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their attempts are often blocked, you guessed it, by feminists who fight tooth and nail to prevent men getting resources / funding for shelters because of the fear that it would "Take resources away from female victims" And if not resources, then attention. Feminists do not tolerate any discussion of men's issues happening in society, because that would pull attention away from them. Literally any time someone raises a men's issue, the response will inevitably include people arguing that this is…
/r/MensRights06/10/22 11:34 PM
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Completely agree. Even if it were true that men oppressed women for most of human history, I would agree with OP that it's wrong to reverse that, rather than landing in the middle. But like you say, I think even that premise is absurd. Like you say, the past was very different. If women were oppressed by the expectations of being a housewife, men were oppressed by the expectations of providing for a family. Or by the expectation of going off to war to likely die. Or by the expectation of hunting…
/r/MensRights06/10/22 02:59 AM
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Yep. And to piggyback on this. Example of what an ad hominem attack is NOT: After Sally presents an absurdly stupid argument for a taxation system, Sam points out the holes in her argument, and then calls her stupid at the end. It drives me nuts when people think an argument is an ad hominem simply because it contains a personal attack. Nah, that's just called being rude. It's rude to personally attack someone in an argument like that. But it doesn't make your argument wrong or a fallacy. It's o…
/r/MensRights30/09/22 03:12 PM
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Not explicitly, but it's not a surprise to see frequent anti-left sentiments around here. Feminism is pretty firmly rooted on the left. It's also essentially a forerunner of the kind of identity politics overwhelmingly being pushed by the left recently. So naturally, people who take issue with feminism are likely to notice similarities between how feminism operates and how the rest of leftist identity politics operates. That's likely to cause them to resent all identity politics for the same rea…
/r/MensRights29/09/22 11:18 PM
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Right. It's frustrating that even "not all men" is seen as being too nice to men, when like you say, it's really quite insulting. Imagine going on twitter and saying, "Not all women are dumbasses." No one would view this as you defending women. Everyone would view this as you insulting women by suggesting most of them are stupid.
/r/MensRights28/09/22 02:08 AM
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Right. It's honestly insane how much influence feminism has over our society. They managed to convince a significant portion of society that women perform more emotional support for needy men than the reverse, despite the reverse being a long-known stereotype for good reason. People don't even question it. They don't even bother to think, "Wait, isn't it usually the other way around?" They just hop on board with the idea, and join in with the accusations of misogyny and female oppression, etc. e…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 09:00 PM
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Yep. My first thought upon reading the post title was, "so do black people". When it comes to black people, these same people are more than willing to argue about systemic disadvantages and discrimination, about how black people are driven to crime, not more inherently willing to commit it. But when the conversation is men, suddenly those kinds of factors are irrelevant, and men are just plain bad. The double standard is deafening.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/22 03:05 AM
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1) Overturning Roe v Wade was a good legal decision, regardless of one's stance on abortion. I'm pro-choice, but I think Roe v Wade was a terrible decision (Ruth Bader Ginsberg agreed, by the way) and overturning it was the right move. I'd like to see more states provide more access to abortion, but I don't want the Supreme Court making that decision for everyone. 2) The motivation behind the pro-life stance is about the baby, not the woman. The idea that pro-lifers just want to control women's …
/r/MensRights24/09/22 06:37 PM
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It's fucking infuriating how many people seem to think that stamping out those you disagree with somehow makes them disappear. A reasonable subreddit which expresses a dissenting point of view is banned, and the only recourse for the users is to dig deeper on the internet to find a place with others who are friendly to their viewpoint. A place which almost certainly hosts more extreme people than the original forum which was banned. This is how people get more extreme, but idiots never seem to r…
/r/MensRights24/09/22 06:32 PM
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Yep. I'm so sick of outcome-centric ideologies. Intent matters just as much, if not more, than outcome. A policy which treats everyone the same is great, even if it ends up that more men excel than women. Changing the policy so that women get an advantage to create an equal outcome is absurd. And like you point out, not every action which harms a woman is misogyny. Just because the outcome is a woman being harmed does not mean the intention was driven by bigotry against women in general. And tha…
/r/MensRights24/09/22 06:29 PM
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The idea that "misogyny" kills women is flat out absurd. It kills basically zero women Right. We could have a conversation about how much true misogyny is left out there, because I think it's a lot less than most feminists seem to think. But even setting that aside and assuming misogyny is truly everywhere, it just represents shitty attitudes. It's people being rude in individual situations. The notion that misogyny kills women is so absurd.
/r/MensRights24/09/22 06:25 PM
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In shows like this, every man falls into one of 3 categories: 1) The fool. The audience is meant to laugh at this category for how terrible he is. He's sexist. He's incompetent. He's bumbling. He's a complete buffoon in every way, and only exists on screen to push the idea that men are terrible. The audience is meant to point and laugh at this character, and by extension, men. 2) The effeminate. The audience is allowed to like this man. He's a good guy. He's genuinely a good person that the audi…
/r/MensRights23/09/22 02:49 PM
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It's also how consistently this kind of racebending (and/or genderbending) casting comes paired with obnoxious social justice messaging. It's one thing to discuss the casting in a vacuum, to discuss the relative merits or detriments of taking an existing lore and "modernizing" it by making it resemble 2022 America, rather than the universe the story is set in. There are good points to be raised there. But I would be a lot more willing to set those very valid points aside if that's all it was. If…
/r/MensRights23/09/22 02:42 PM
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That's classic feminism. In a state where men are treated worse than women, feminists claim institutional misogyny because...the women in that state are treated worse than women in other states. They completely ignore how men are treated in that same state. To assign arbitrary numbers to it, it would be like if you had 10 men and 10 women, each assigned a number which represents how much they are abused by the system. The men all range from 7 to 10, while the women all range from 1 to 4, with a …
/r/MensRights21/09/22 02:15 PM
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I think often, these people genuinely think they were what they claim to have been. I've seen so many people be all "I used to be alt-right, I mean I actually believed that the wage gap was a myth." They're completely deluded into thinking that that's all being alt-right or a fascist, or an an incel, or an MRA or whatever else actually means, which is also why they then accuse everyone and their cousin of being alt-right or a fascist, or an an incel, or an MRA. Solid point. As to the rest, yeah.…
/r/MensRights21/09/22 02:10 PM
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Yep. Fake "former X here" comments are always so painfully obvious. There's plenty of times I see someone claim that they used to be a left-winger, or they used to be a right-winger, or they used to be a feminist, etc. And in many of those cases, it seems very apparent they are telling the truth. They have insight which only someone who actually used to be X would realistically have, and they explain their thought process in a way which is still clearly sympathetic to X, even if they now disagre…
/r/MensRights20/09/22 09:22 PM
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I had to leave that thread after the comments themselves made me facepalm. There were more people upset with OP's wording being sexist against women than the woman in the video being sexist against men. What a classic example of how much people don't give a shit about men.
/r/MensRights19/09/22 04:22 PM
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I agree, but it'll fall on deaf ears anywhere other than a subreddit like this. When someone points out the high crime rate in black people, others are very quick to point out that it's not that black people are inherently worse people, but that there are socio-economic factors which make black people more likely to be in a position where they feel the need to commit crime. But when it comes to men, there's no such empathy. There's no such explanation offered. People are ready to accept "men are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/22 03:17 PM
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Yeah, I feel like "I used to be an X" comments are painfully obvious when they are fake. I've read many such comments which felt very believable and presented solid reasons for why they used to believe one thing, yet now believe another, while holding consistent values. Sometimes it's a former left-winger who is on the right now, or vice versa. Sometimes it's a former feminist who is more into men's rights and anti-feminism. And so on. But like you said, some of the comments in that thread come …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 07:25 PM
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Just because a transaction is voluntary between both parties doesn't mean we can't judge one of them for exploiting the other. Consider how people take issue with loot boxes in video games, because they exploit people's vulnerability to gambling, or battle-passes, which exploit people's vulnerability to fear of missing out. People take issue with aggressive salesmen who pressure people into buying, because many people feel too awkward to navigate the social situation confidently, and they end up…
/r/MensRights10/09/22 05:04 PM
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Yep. Men's issues only get attention if there's a knock-on effect. If men's issues hurt women as well, then suddenly it matters. If men's issues lead to mass shootings, then suddenly it matters.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 04:59 PM
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I don't agree with MRA on the common theme of their hatred of women. What is this nonsense generalization? Stop lending credence to the feminist notion that people who care about men's rights just hate women. It does a disservice to us all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 04:57 PM
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Ehh, I think it's warranted and even a little bit necessary. As long as it's not considered kosher to discuss these things openly, it's nice to have some people out there who put themselves out there to really tear into it. I agree it's overboard in a sense, but it seems justifiably so. I think of it like when you cover most of a faucet, the remaining flow has much more force behind it. Many people feel like they can't bring up these kinds of points without being labeled a bigot, so they suffer …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 01:26 AM
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I only sort of agree. I agree that feminist attitudes prevent female characters from being interesting, because the list of rules prevent any kind of interesting character writing. Never having any flaws, never being helped by a man, etc. But I disagree with the other half of your point. I think male characters are shitty as well, because they are completely inverted. It's not just that they can have flaws and can be helped by others. It's that they must. You bring up Obi-wan as an example of an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 01:21 AM
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People who refuse to notice patterns frequently accuse those who do of being "paranoid", "conspiracy theorists", and so on. It's fucking insanity. Just because you refuse to pay attention to blatant trends playing out in front of our eyes doesn't make me crazy for doing so.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 12:19 AM
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One time, I made a post on this subreddit, linking to AITA, just as OP has done here, and I was banned from AITA for "brigading". I had seen some dumb shit, commented over there about how it was dumb shit, and then cross-posted it here, pointing out that it was dumb shit. And the idiot mods over there banned me for "brigading" lmao. They could have take a moment to notice that my comment in the AITA thread came before my post here, and that I clearly didn't see a post on this sub and then brigad…
/r/MensRights10/09/22 12:18 AM
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Right. I agree with OP's premise, but I thought that argument was very weak. A security system doesn't need to be constantly preventing problems in order to be necessary. It isn't "failing" when it's in use but not actively preventing a problem. For me, the stronger argument is to compare the female "force field" with an equivalent male one. People act like it's totally reasonable for a woman to keep all men at arm's length, implicitly treating them all like rapists, because there's an off-chanc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/22 04:50 PM
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a lot of the time it’s extremely subtle.. just like a woman gets ignored at the mechanics and they talk to the husband Yes, dude. This kind of thing is constant, and it drives me nuts that society acknowledges when it happens to women, but absolutely refuses to admit that it happens to men as well. The best way I can describe it is that there's just a hostile air all around. No individual interaction feels like it happens in a vacuum, because there's pre-existing hostility present in the air. If…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/22 04:20 PM
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All the media, all the entertainment, the books, women were strong selfess caring faultless stoic brave. They were smarter, more adept, more sincere. Women do and did for others better than men, where men were selfish, sluggish and stupid. Women had to fight and claw just to prove themselves (naturally) right, where men were always putting them down. Growing up, I genuinely believed women were better to men. This hits so close to home. I think it's part of why I'm so opposed to "wokeness" (for l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/22 04:14 PM
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It's really a shame that the people who defend that kind of shit refuse to accept the actual points being raised. They just insist that it's nothing more than istaphobes hating women and non-white people, whining any time the lead in a story isn't a white man. But consistently, new content featuring women and/or non-white people in leading roles is released to thunderous applause...when it's actually fucking good. But these people pull the Ray Charles meme, "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that",…
/r/MensRights05/09/22 11:40 PM
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Yep. That's movies and television shows these days. Expend very little time, money, and effort creating content which is middling at best, but then deliberately cast a woman and/or a non-white person in the leading role. Deflect all criticism as istaphobia. Rinse and repeat.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 11:10 PM
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like I'm some oblivious moron that was just sleeping through the whole relationship, and they know better Unfortunately, many people are convinced that the vast majority of men fall into this category. We're all just oblivious morons who don't understand emotion, blah blah blah, sexist bullshit.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 01:46 AM
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Right. If people take issue with his stance on something like that, they should say so, but be specific. I'm so fucking sick of this kind of reductive language. "He's anti-LGBTQ+", says OP. And now how many people will take that at face value without any further thought. People really need to stop slapping those kinds of reductive labels on people. It's misleading and only serves to fan the flames of division.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 06:17 AM
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Not to say men can't be based, because that would be absurd. But god damn, the most satisfying based takes on these issues come from women. My wife fucking hates feminist bullshit in modern media. It's so insulting to her to be treated like a helpless victim of those damn powerful men. To have it constantly stated that she's traumatized and abused and weak, blah blah blah. Shit's so stupid.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 02:40 PM
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And it was honestly kind of Endgame to warn us about what direction the MCU was heading. There was basically no identity politics prior to Endgame, and then Endgame made sure to include that scene as a warning that everything which follows would be obsessed with identity politics. Very nice of them!
/r/MensRights02/09/22 02:39 PM
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Uhh, no. Did you watch the whole scene? She starts to transform, and yes, the audience and Bruce initially take this as proof that she doesn't have her anger under control as well as she thinks she does. But then she corrects Bruce (and by extension, the audience) by calming stopping the transformation and explaining that she was deliberately doing that, showing that she has such strong control over her emotions that she was able to deliberately let it tilt just enough to transform, while keepin…
/r/MensRights02/09/22 02:37 PM
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Yep. Typical feminist """hero""". Feminists are so delusional about what actually makes a person good or bad (because they've spent so long thinking all women are good and all men are bad) that they accidentally write the most heinously evil protagonists, believing them to be relatable heroes. Our fucking "hero" just tried to abuse her super-power (paging Dr. Spider-Man...) to murder 3 mortals in cold blood just because they hit on her when she wasn't in the mood to be hit on. And we're supposed…
/r/MensRights02/09/22 02:33 PM
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Yep. Not to mention that his """""proof""""" that women experience more trauma due to their gender than men do is... drumroll ...because they say so. How does someone say shit like that without realizing how retarded it makes them sound. Women complain more, therefore proving that they have more to complain about. Because you know, it's literally impossible that women are just more likely to complain about things than men, on average? Or any other alternative explanation? But nah, apparently, th…
/r/MensRights02/09/22 02:30 PM
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Classic case of feminist attitudes accidentally pushing more misogyny than was present to begin with. These people want so badly to believe that men are evil predators that they accidentally push the idea that women are incapable of independent thought. A young woman married a much older man? It's impossible that she made a decision as a grown adult, to marry the man that she loves. Nope. It must be that he manipulated her. The end result of that way of thinking is that women are all children wh…
/r/MensRights31/08/22 06:08 PM
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Yep, it's a pretty blatant double standard. People go on and on about sexual objectification of women, but they ignore that men are objectified just as much (if not more now that it's become taboo to appreciate the female form). I already kind of knew that this was a double standard, and that people were full of shit when they claim that only women are objectified. But it was made very clear to me earlier this year when I did a re-watch of the MCU. When you watch these movies back-to-back, it se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/22 02:26 PM
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This is a pretty poor analysis. First, you are counting all MCU projects in total, when the criticism is clearly that the MCU has shifted recently toward being all about women. So counting the first X MCU projects is meaningless. That would be like saying that women can't possibly be privileged right now, because if you average out all of human history, men have been more privileged. That isn't how an analysis of the current situation works. Instead, you should just be looking at Phase 4 project…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 02:55 PM
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Yeah, it's super frustrating, and I think I'm too far gone. I have no idea how to get myself to a point where I don't notice these things anymore. It kind of feels like once you've noticed, you can't stop noticing. Fortunately, a lot of things which I hate because of this kind of social awareness angle are also just poor quality (and I don't believe that's a coincidence, because it's a matter of skewed priorities). But now and again, I feel like a show or movie which I would otherwise enjoy, I a…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 02:41 PM
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I would disagree with that assessment. First and foremost, the show doesn't belittle the male characters in order to lift up the female ones. Jayce is a flawed character, as they all are, but this isn't done in a way to humiliate him like most mainstream media does with male characters. He's a protagonist in his own right, rather than being a whipping boy for the real lead. Viktor's story is not over yet, but so far, it's been very tragic and compelling. You are meant to feel bad for the positio…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 08:02 PM
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Based. For me, anything which makes the writer's hand more visible, or makes the story's world transparent is a huge problem. When a character says or does something, I want to think about it in terms of why that person would say or do that thing, rather than why the writers had the character say or do that thing. It's impossible to take much of modern media seriously at all, because it doesn't even feel like they have characters. They just have actors on screen, pushing the agenda that the writ…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 02:40 PM
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Yep. Arcane is a solid example which I find myself pointing at more and more these days. Of the 7 most prominent characters (somewhat subjective), 4 of them are women, all of whom are strong in their own way. The show features a budding gay romance. The show features loads of racial diversity. And yet, I have not once heard anyone complain about the show being "woke". No one whines about female empowerment. No one complains about forced diversity. No one brings up the "gay agenda". And so on. An…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 02:38 PM
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Right. There are a lot of problems associated with this trend. But what you point out is a huge one. The "rules" of woke storytelling are incredibly restrictive. So any show or movie which is clearly abiding by that playbook will end up being so boring, predictable, and sterile. You can't write an interesting character if you have to obey all the rules of modern identity politics. Whenever I catch that whiff which tells me an upcoming show or movie is going to be "woke" (I hate that word, becaus…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 02:33 PM
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Same. People say "if you don't like it, don't watch it". And to an extent, that's valid. But it ignores that for people like me, what bothers me is the trend and how widespread it is. If we got a consistent flow of quality entertainment, but each year, there was one fringe show which shoved in some obnoxious feminism, I wouldn't give a shit. The problem is that mainstream entertainment is becoming more and more saturated by this kind of identity politics, aggressive-agenda-pushing nonsense. It's…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 02:30 PM
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It's honestly shocking how bad this shit has gotten. Even as bad as this kind of shit has been in media for a while, a case like this ramps up the stupid in such a sharp way that I am hopeful more people will start getting sick of it and pushing back against it. That speech seriously comes off like a twitter-tier feminist rant. I can't believe Marvel actually had a character pull the "women might literally get murdered if they disagree with a man" nonsense which only comes from the most ridiculo…
/r/MensRights22/08/22 05:04 PM
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When feminists (or race activists, for that matter) use the word "ally", just remember that what they really mean is "pet". They want people who are completely subservient to them and will say and do whatever they say. They don't want allies. They want underlings.
/r/MensRights22/08/22 04:58 PM
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I saw a comment with reference to She-Hulk the other day, with someone saying that they found it "hilarious" how Bruce Banner was incredulous that Jennifer Walters didn't need 10 years to figure out how to manage the Hulk like it did for him. ..."hilarious". I honestly don't know how people can tolerate this shit anymore. Basically every new show and movie bends over backward to show women being perfect at everything, especially when directly compared against a man. Of course the female Hulk is …
/r/MensRights19/08/22 02:50 PM
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Yep. Part of that cringe is that it tells you, indirectly, that your friend thinks you are a failure. If she truly believes that men are privileged, and she observes that you have both achieved roughly the same in life so far, then whether she consciously realizes it or not, she thinks of you as a failure who managed to have a huge advantage and not get anything out of it.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 03:22 PM
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Yes women had less rights and had to be subservient to their husband, but that also meant they were free from the horrors of fighting for the King's army, the toils of spending all day in front of a smouldering furnace etc etc. The lack of rights also meant lack of responsibility, similar to how it does for children today. Before you even mentioned children, that's where my brain went as well. I am willing to bet the majority of people who claim that women were oppressed "in the past" also have …
/r/MensRights17/08/22 03:18 PM
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Right. That's a major aspect to it. I strongly disagree with some of the attitudes the right seems to hold with regards to men, but I can respect it as a "balanced system". The identity politics subset of the left is increasingly pushing for something which is not remotely balanced. Women are able to cast off all of their traditional gender roles, while men are expected to continue carrying theirs. A man who expects a woman to fulfill her half of the equation is branded a terrible sexist, while …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/22 09:56 PM
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Just gna piggy back on this. Isn't it funny how /u/SearchThings hasn't responded to any of these comments. Almost like she's an illogical little girl who just realized all her arguments are complete dogshit and has run off to some feminist forum to ask for help from those mean men OP: criticizes this subreddit for not having intelligent discourse Also OP: talks shit and then leaves The lack of self-awareness feminists manage to achieve is insane.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:14 PM
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How exactly is comparing forced military service to perceived domestic issues in any way equivalent though? I always love how people rat themselves out like this. They don't openly admit that they think a certain way, but they don't seem to realize how plainly they wear it on their sleeve. This poster legitimately values women's convenience more than men's lives. To actually try to counter "men are forced to their deaths" with "yeah, but women are forced to run the dishwasher every couple of day…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:13 PM
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Something tells me that if women could be drafted, you wouldn't call them "scared little pussies" if they weren't entirely happy with being forced to their deaths.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:10 PM
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Seriously. How do you argue "yeah, men might die, but women have to do the dishes even if they don't want to, so..." and think you've presented a reasonable argument? Holy fuck, feminism has blinded so many people.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:03 PM
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Right? I feel like that's an important distinction people should make when discussing these issues. I'm married to a wonderful woman, and I couldn't be happier with her. Yet I will still frequently discuss gender issues, and the role that societal expectations plays on men being less able to be the stay-at-home spouse, for instance. That isn't relevant to me, because as an individual, that's between me and my wife. Societal expectations don't play a part on us as an individual couple; we're goin…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:43 PM
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And it honestly seems like the most obvious thing in the world to me. I don't know how people couldn't see this coming. It doesn't matter how many advantages one group of people has; if you push for a system in which everything works against them (rather than a system which holds everyone in equal regards), eventually, that previously privileged group will become the disadvantaged one. It's still very-much in the early phases compared to how long feminism has held societal power, but I worry we …
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:39 PM
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1) You are implying that Washington is nothing but men making decisions, which is very out-of-date. There are many, many women in politics these days. You seem to be arguing as if we still live in the 1950s, but we do not. 2) Even if 100% of politicians were men, they are elected by both men and women (women moreso, as women make up the larger voting demographic), and therefore cater to both men and women's interests. I was kind of with you initially, and I thought the heat you were getting from…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:27 PM
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Yeah, it's really hard to take someone seriously after they've said that. Can it be argued that women are still discriminated against by individual people? Absolutely. Are they discriminated against in this manner moreso than men are? That's very difficult to say. Different people will have different anecdotal experience on which gender is treated worse by ordinary people, and it's not exactly the kind of thing we can have clear statistical data about. But when it comes to the system? It's absol…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:21 PM
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The primary aggressor is the person who would likely win the fight if it were allowed to continue to completion. That is an absurdly stupid and incorrect definition of the term "primary aggressor". If a huge man is minding his own business and then a very tiny man starts repeatedly punching the huge man in his back over and over again, the tiny man is the primary aggressor, not the huge man. It doesn't matter who would win in a fight. It matters who is the one initiating and perpetuating the con…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:17 PM
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I can't speak for the guy who originally responded to you, but I think why many people take issue with that kind of disclaimer is that it just feels unnecessary at this point, and almost feels like the need to apologize for caring about men's rights. I certainly feel that way. It's frustrating that the social environment is one in which you can't speak about men's issues without first providing the disclaimer that you don't hate women. That shouldn't be necessary, because it should be assumed. A…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:12 PM
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A lot of it started with PUA books for guys asking "I'm lonely af. Am I doing something wrong?". This reminds me of a video I quite enjoyed a while back on YouTube by Macabre Storytelling. I think that video was the first time I ever saw someone even halfway defend the concept of "pickup". He still made it very clear that the end result is gross, and teaches very bad attitudes toward fellow human beings. But he moreso defended why many men end up pursuing it, and it's more or less what you're sa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 02:44 PM
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Agreed. The way I've frequently felt about it is that neither side of the aisle is "friendly" toward men's rights, but the right doesn't tend to be as outright hostile toward men. Sure, the right still pushes some bogus ideas like keeping the draft for men while pushing back against including women in it. So like I said, it's not like the right is the side of men's rights. But the right doesn't demonize men on such a regular basis like the identity politics subset of the left does. So like you s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 02:40 PM
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Yep. There's some random woman I follow on snapchat, because she fairly frequently posts lewd shit. But good lord, she's unsufferable as a person. When she isn't showing her body for money, she alternates between whining about how there aren't any good men out there, and how she doesn't care that she's single, because she doesn't need a man anyway. It's the most pathetic and stereotypical thing ever. It's plain as day that she does wish she had a partner, but she's too insufferable to keep a man…
/r/MensRights12/08/22 03:00 PM
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There's a reason they get called "feminazis". You know who else liked to simultaneously describe a particular group of people as all-powerful and yet also bottom-of-the-barrel scum? Feminism relies on believing that men rule the world, thereby oppressing women, but also that women are super special and awesome and way better than men at everything. It's just ludicrous.
/r/MensRights07/08/22 09:21 PM
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The way I see it, it's not necessarily hypocrisy/dilemma. Feminism is an ideology, while men's rights is not. There is a women's rights movement, and a men's rights movement. But there is not really an equivalent ideology on the side of men's rights which mirrors feminism. So if you are generalizing those who fight for women's rights while calling out people who generalize those who fight for men's rights, then yes, that's a dilemma, and you are behaving in a hypocritical manner. But if you call…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 04:07 AM
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Yeah, that bothered me as well. Despite how extreme the events were, the mom still can't just wholly take the side of a boy without constantly backpedaling and providing disclaimers about how girls are totally justified and blah blah blah. Like I'm still glad people are sharing stories like this to raise awareness of the issue. But it's so frustrating how even a mother of a son going through all of this bullshit feels the need to constantly pander to the feminist point of view, rather than just …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 05:36 AM
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That's the stupidest thing I've read all day. Put the Kool-Aid down, my man. Right-wing doesn't mean authoritarian, and authoritarian doesn't mean right-wing.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 05:08 AM
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Yeah, it's really stupid. And it comes off pretty victim-blame-y. "I'm pushing horrible ideas, and you have the balls to resist? You reactionary!" Like yes, I oppose your bad ideas. There's nothing wrong with being a reactionary if the ideas you are reacting to are terrible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/22 03:15 AM
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she says her friends basically represent all feminists basically and because they don’t do it there’s zero possibility any other feminist could Not to mention that I am willing to bet that even her friends absolutely do this kind of thing, but she doesn't want to acknowledge it, but is willing to ignore it, because they are ideologically aligned with her.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 04:13 AM
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Yep. And as nightstalkerjoe said, it's clear that this user isn't looking for a good-faith discussion. They only want proof so that they can attack the validity of said proof and then act as though they have been proven right. They're just being an asshole.
/r/MensRights22/07/22 02:16 PM
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Media becoming increasingly hostile toward men. I watch a lot of television and movies, and at some point, mainstream media just started taking a huge nosedive, because every new show and movie which comes out feels the need to showcase overly perfect women, dunk on men, or both at the same time. I got increasingly fed up with boring characters, especially when combined with the knowledge of why they are so boring. It's one thing to watch a Mary Sue character and be bored to tears. But it's anot…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 10:45 PM
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Yeah. Feminists and Selective Service remind me of a common TV trope. You have a group of characters, when one of them reveals some state of disaster. Then another character, let's call him John, starts panicking. He's losing his mind. He can't handle how this disaster is going to impact him. But then any of the other characters in the room points out that the disaster doesn't impact John for one reason or another. And then John immediately stops panicking and says something like, "Oh, phew. Tha…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 10:39 PM
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but at this point it is pretty much an accepted fact Translation: you have no argument, so you are relying on "come on, man. everybody knows that" as a means of arguing that something is true without proving it.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 03:24 PM
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Yep. It's super frustrating. The way things are, I end up craving great female characters, not because I enjoy them more than great male characters (it doesn't matter what gender they are), but because it feels like refreshing my "shield", so-to-speak. If Hollywood releases literally zero good female characters across a 5-year period, I'm fucked. Any time I criticize or complain about the latest shitty mainstream movie with a shitty, boring, perfect female lead, I will be called a misogynist. Pe…
/r/MensRights19/07/22 03:33 PM
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You should look up the Galbrush Paradox if you haven't already. It's more or less what you are talking about here. I'll also briefly summarize. The idea is that male characters are allowed to be flawed in any imaginable way, because they aren't seen as representing men. They are just characters. But because of society's obsession with elevating women, every single female character is seen as representing all women. So female characters are not allowed to be flawed in the same way male characters…
/r/MensRights19/07/22 03:27 PM
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Yeah. It's just typical projection. It's difficult to admit that you, as an individual, are sexist against men. It's much easier to pretend that all women have to shield themselves in this way, because it's just part of being a woman. That way, she doesn't have to admit that she individually is flawed and sexist. She just gets to project her own bullshit onto all women. It's like Robin DiAngelo writing an entire fucking book about how all white people are racist, because admitting to herself tha…
/r/MensRights19/07/22 03:13 PM
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Based. It's so weird to me how many people were taken by surprise by the "white imperialism" line. How did these people read this entire post and think that the woman has her head on straight? She spent almost the entire post shitting on men for not being women. She says that men have "dumb bastard brain". She implied that it's men's fault that women are consistently cold toward them (imagine telling black people that it's their fault that white people are on guard around them, due to all the bl…
/r/MensRights19/07/22 03:11 PM
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most women are socialized to same way most black People are socailized to be suspicious of the Police and guarded against their attention. And that is also fucking retarded. Do you know a large part of the reason white people are less likely to encounter problems during routine police interactions? Because they are more likely to be taught from a young age to respect the authority, and to be polite, cordial, and compliant within reason. Meanwhile, because of attitudes like yours, black people ar…
/r/MensRights19/07/22 03:01 PM
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"Garden variety homophobia" - Deflection, whether intended or not. It's because in gynocentric societies, misandry is widespread, celebrated and systemic. We're taught to think less of ourselves and other men, even hate ourselves and other men, simply because we're men. Sexuality has nothing to do with it Even without the misandry explanation, the conclusion of homophobia is still stupid. Men aren't women It's stupid to observe men, see that they behave differently than women, and then immediate…
/r/MensRights19/07/22 02:57 PM
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I mean, earlier in the post, she implies that it's men's fault that women are cold bitches to them, and she also blames "homophobia" for the fact that men's relationships to other men aren't the same as women's relationships to other women. If you were completely surprised by the "white imperialism" bit, then you are much less sensitive to retarded woke bullshit than I am. Because this entire post just reeks of it.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 02:54 PM
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Based. There's some good insight when a woman starts to live life as a man and recognizes that it's not perfect, and that men's rights activists have a point when they say that there are downsides to being men. But this post still just comes off like a feminist being bigoted against men.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 02:51 PM
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Yeah. Strike one was going on about how it's totally justified for women to act like cold bitches to every man they meet, just on the off chance that he's a criminal. Strike two was blaming the idea of men not being as close as women on homophobia. Strike three was white imperialism.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 02:45 PM
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Yep. I just wrote a similar comment. The problem is feminism, not feminists. Like you said, many people who call themselves feminists truly believe that the word is shorthand for "I believe in gender equality". These are great people. They are just using a label without realizing the toxic beliefs they are unwittingly attaching themselves to. Because the problem is feminism itself. The ideology. The core tenets. The misandry which is baked into it.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:11 PM
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Think? I know. Because I see their points on a daily basis. That's the issue when one viewpoint is elevated and the other is demonized. The people who hold the demonized viewpoint have a much better idea of what the other side believes than the reverse. Men's rights people see feminist talking points on a daily basis. It's everywhere. But they never see our arguments, because we are silenced most places we go. So unless they come to a subreddit like this one with an open mind, they'll never see …
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:08 PM
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Right. It's not that they don't need a fair and open debate; it's that they absolutely cannot allow one. When you have weak ideas which fall apart under even light scrutiny, your only option is to make sure that's never allowed to happen. Anyone who questions you is labeled a bigot to shut them up. Anyone who still questions you gets silenced by censorship. And so on. It's really telling who has the good and bad ideas these days. Good ideas don't need massive amounts of censorship in order to se…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:06 PM
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not all feminists are like that The biggest problem with this defense is that the problem isn't all feminists; the problem is feminism. There are plenty of people who call themselves feminists who are perfectly great people. The trouble is that those people don't really understand what feminism is. They think it's nothing more than the words "gender equality". They don't realize that it's a full-fledged ideology with core tenets and beliefs central to it. So yeah, if you think all feminists are …
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:58 PM
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I think it's pretty relevant. White guilt is a hell of a thing, and women are more likely to care about social issues than men. Men tend to be more concerned with objects, while women are more concerned with people. Hence why men tend to go into fields like computer science more than women, and women tend to go into fields like nursing and teaching more than men. So men seem to be more likely to roll their eyes at the concept of white guilt, while women seem to be more likely to let it be a driv…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:22 PM
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Yep. I won't say that I think you get worse treatment than we do, but it's definitely different. It sucks to be a man who opposes feminism. But it clearly sucks in a completely different way to be a woman who opposes feminism. Similarly, it sucks to be a white person who has issues with increasing demonization of white people. But it clearly sucks in a completely different way to be a black person who feels the same. Like I said, I don't think it's necessarily worse, but it certainly isn't any b…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:18 PM
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You don't "hear out" a racist. So when a feminist comes here about 80% of the rhetoric here is already not worth being heard. Putting the cart before the horse. You are just deciding that someone is bad, and then using that conclusion as justification that the person isn't worth listening to. But how can you truly know that they are "bad" before you have heard them out with an open mind? "I don't hear out racists", you say as the other person explains their viewpoint in such a way that would all…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:14 PM
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Toxic feminists are way more prevalent than toxic masculinity, IMO. Behavior which is tolerated/encouraged by society is more prevalent than behavior which is demonized on a daily basis. More news at 11.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:10 PM
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Sometimes not even this sub is safe. Only tangentially related, but man, it's frustrating when the few subreddits which are open to these kinds of viewpoints still end up having that kind of problem. Like I said, only tangentially related, because my example isn't strictly a men's rights thing. But seeing feminists and their viewpoints become more accepted on subreddits like TumblrInAction and SocialJusticeInAction is super frustrating. Among other social justice issues, feminists used to get mo…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:06 PM
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That ties into a broader issue with society these days: the idea that if someone feels wronged, then they must have been wronged. Instead of people being taught that the world is a tough place, and you need to figure out ways to handle it, people have been taught never to cause any discomfort to anyone else, and to expect the same in return. But that isn't realistic. There's always going to be people saying things you don't like. It's on you to find ways to deal with that. It's not on everyone e…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:00 PM
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All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight men reserve exclusively for other men. The people whom they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honor, reverence and love they desire... those are, overwhelmingly, other men. This is what we call classic feminist projection. They spend all day every day s…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 02:50 PM
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Yep. Men playing video games online will shit on each other non-stop. Basically nothing is off-limits. Especially anyone who played an online game in the mid-2000s is basically immune to strangers online talking shit at them. But a feminist joins an online game, is shit talked once, and assumes it's because she's a woman. Then it's "the misogyny of online gaming". But as usual, it's because the feminist is ignoring that the men around her are experiencing the same thing she is.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 04:30 PM
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Nope, just a typical feminist. If logic were their strong suit, they would have abandoned feminism years ago. This is why the "reee" joke is so common.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 04:28 PM
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That's a trend with all of social justice. Those who feel the need to virtue signal nonstop are almost always doing so out of a desire to pretend to be better than they know they are. Normal people who don't judge based on race or sex don't feel the need to advertise how much of a good little boy or girl they are. They just act like decent people. But the people who say/do/think terrible things feel guilty about this, so they over-compensate by pretending to care about this or that social justic…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:29 PM
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Yes, it's true. I've said that quite often. The biggest form of sexism is the idea that only one sex can be the victim of it. The men's rights issue I care about the most is the meta-issue, which is getting society to even acknowledge that men have issues worth fighting for, and that it's not misogyny to care about men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/22 03:32 AM
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Lot's of people like to think that if they went back in time, they wouldn't be racist, but then they're completely okay with being racist in the present time, because "it's justified because of..." or "it's not racist because...". They forget that every society has viewed it's racism as just and have had their reasoning that makes it acceptable. Today is no different, we're just in the bubble. Yeah, seriously. These people use such insane mental gymnastics in order to justify their hatred of whi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/22 03:36 PM
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It’s extremely time that we look at civil rights leaders of the past and follow suit. The problem is that those movements were able to find success, because nobody thought that those groups were already privileged. Sure, it was an up-hill battle for black people to fight for their rights. But they had the benefit of nobody shutting them down by saying that they are already more privileged than white people. Sure, it was an up-hill battle for women to fight for their rights. But they had the bene…
/r/MensRights27/10/21 01:30 PM
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The problem is that feminists are so delusional that they legitimately think the world hates women that much that businesses would rather lose money having male employees than make more profit but have to deal with "those icky women". You can't logic people out of a position they didn't logic themselves into. Feminists are delusional and think the world hates women for no good reason. They will always find a way to respond to perfectly logical points like in this thread, by insisting even harder…
/r/MensRights26/10/21 05:33 PM
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Literally all of your comments in this thread are victim-blaming. I don't think you get to trot out your high horse all of a sudden.
/r/MensRights25/10/21 05:21 PM
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It's because feminists project. They view genders as permanently at-war. When they talk about women being victims, they always blame men. To them, it's a zero-sum game, and the more they do to damage men, the more they help women. And feminists project constantly. So they naturally assume that when a man brings up that men are more likely to be victimized in this way, feminists assume that the implication is that this is the fault of women. But that's not what men are saying. They're just pointi…
/r/MensRights23/10/21 03:00 AM
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It's just classic feminist bullshit. Observe a small percentage of men doing something bad, and use that to generalize all men. Observe a small percentage of women doing something bad, and sweep it under the rug, because even bringing up such a small thing clearly means you are arguing in bad faith. End result is that men and women do something in pretty equal measure, yet feminists insist that it's something which most/all men do, and few/no women do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 12:39 AM
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Agreed. I'm pro-choice, and pro-choicers constantly irritate me. No, pro-lifers aren't just misogynistic men who want to control women's bodies. No, they wouldn't do a complete 180 if men could get pregnant, because suddenly there'd be a reason to care. None of that shit. They just disagree about what constitutes life and personhood. And that's fine. There's not much which bothers me more than people who share my stance arguing ridiculous things which make me look foolish by extension.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 12:34 AM
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The problem is that they are unintentionally revealing how biased toward women our society is. Men and women both go through something constantly. But because our society is biased in favor of women, it only gets discussed as a women's issue. So when a man speaks out about how he goes through it too, you have a shit load of these dumbass harpies who say, "Now you know what it's like to be a woman!" No. He's just revealing that he, as a man, has the same fucking experience when you are convinced …
/r/MensRights17/10/21 05:37 PM
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Agreed. The trope of women's tears being powerful is nothing new. But I like to bring up instances of things like this in media that I've recently watched. And I'm re-watching Scrubs, and there's a relevant moment. For anyone who has ever seen Scrubs, I probably don't need to go into great detail as to why I despise Kim. And for anyone who hasn't, spoilers will follow as I summarize the relevant events. So JD and Kim accidentally become pregnant, and despite still being a couple, she gets a job …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/21 04:49 PM
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Yep. The same people who constantly bitch and moan about toxic masculinity...are the same people who treat men like shit if they are anything but the most stoic man ever. If you have a criticism of a movie, you're a toxic fanboy. If you have a single bad thing to say about a female politician, you're a raging misogynist. If you are ever upset by anything ever, you're toxic. If you are depressed because you are lonely, you're an entitled incel who thinks women owe him sex. And so on. These people…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/21 04:36 PM
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I can't remember where the study or statistic came from, but I seem to recall that this stuff was studied, and men and women are pretty much even when it comes to how much they contribute (shocker of the century). If I remember correctly, it was broken down into single men, men in a couple where only the man works, men in a couple where both work, men in a couple where only the woman works, as well as the corresponding woman for each of those scenarios. And it was determined that in couples wher…
/r/MensRights13/10/21 06:52 PM
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Another related trope which drives me crazy is the idea that a woman should get to decide whether or not to tell the father she's pregnant. I feel like this comes up all the time on TV, and it's always treated like a completely normal thing. A woman becomes pregnant by a man who doesn't see her all the time. Maybe it was a one-night stand. Maybe it was an occasional acquaintance. One way or another, it's a situation where, if the woman doesn't actively seek the man out in order to tell him she i…
/r/MensRights08/10/21 12:12 PM
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Yep, it's the same old bullshit with feminism. They will argue that a man interrupting an ongoing discussion of women's issues to bring up men's issues is misogyny, because it's deflecting away from women's issues with a distraction. The trouble is that feminists consider there to be an ever-present, ongoing discussion of women's issues in society. Ergo, it's literally never okay to bring up men's issues, no matter the timing nor location. At any point in time, in any location, if you bring up m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/21 11:18 PM
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If I said, "I think people over 6 feet tall should be allowed to live", wouldn't it be natural to say, "Uhh, shouldn't everyone be allowed to live?" It's not detracting. It's pointing out the stupidity of only focusing on a subset of people, rather than all people.
/r/MensRights06/10/21 09:32 PM
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You have it backward. Equality is equal treatment, equity is unequal treatment in pursuit of equal outcome. With equality, everyone has a fair shot. Some will do better than others. With equity, everyone is guaranteed an equal result. So you can be unskilled and lazy, and you will receive the same result as someone who is highly skilled and puts in effort 24/7. Equity rewards failure.
/r/MensRights30/09/21 05:25 PM
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You don't count as a victim unless the person victimizing you has different genitals. Everyone knows that.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 03:05 PM
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"Hey women, there's a killer specifically targeting women. You do what you want, but we advise you stay inside after dark for your own protection." "Hey men, there's a killer out there who has the same genitals as you. So you are legally not allowed to leave your home, as we are just going to assume your penis means you are the killer." Yep, totally the same thing! Feminist logic strikes again!
/r/MensRights29/09/21 03:04 PM
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A feminist projecting? Now I've seen everything!
/r/MensRights29/09/21 03:02 PM
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To add onto what everyone else has said about how MensLib is pro-feminsm, banning any criticism of feminism, I'll say the following. MensRights is people trapped in a shed with an axe, and bursting their way out by breaking the shed to pieces. MensLib is people trapped in a shed with an axe, being told that they should try to escape, but being told that if they touch the shed with the axe, they're in trouble. Feminism is the cause of many of the problems men face today. It's also the reason many…
/r/MensRights28/09/21 07:50 PM
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Great response, and I love the distinction between caring about women vs. caring about feminism. There's one realization when a person discovers that feminism doesn't actually care about men, only women. But there's a second realization when a person discovers that feminism doesn't actually care about women, only feminism. It's just like you pointed out. Feminist spaces like that put women above men, but feminism above even women. It's a cult.
/r/MensRights28/09/21 07:46 PM
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Yep. I'd argue ignorance is the single-most important factor when it comes to the continued success of feminism. The average person who considers themselves a feminist thinks that feminism is shorthand for "I believe in gender equality". It's just an easier way to express that view, by saying, "I am a feminist". I think the majority of people who consider themselves feminists truly think that feminism is all about the major stuff like getting the right to vote. So to these people, someone being …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 08:52 PM
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Hell, you can't even criticize a movie without people calling you a misogynist. If a movie stars a woman or a group of women, or is directed or written by a woman, or any combination of the above, the movie is 100% flawless, and anyone who says otherwise is a misogynist. If you think the Phantom Menace was shit, it's because you have a brain. If you think the Last Jedi was shit, it's because you hate powerful women. If you think Chuck from Better Call Saul sucks, it's because you have a brain. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 08:25 PM
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I've come to agree with the statement "he shouldn't be having sex if he didn't want her partner to get pregnant" not because it is right (because it's backwards as fuck), but because it saves men a lot of problems that cone from this double standard. Agreed. Similar to how we shouldn't blame a victim of violent assault, rape, or anything else, but we should advise them to take precautions. Should I have to lock my front door to avoid being robbed? No, ideally not. But it's good practice, because…
/r/MensRights21/09/21 03:59 PM
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One of the first things feminism accomplished was giving women the privilege of voting without the corresponding responsibility of the draft. Anyone who claims feminism was ever about equality is misinformed. From the very beginning, it's been about privileges without responsibilities.
/r/MensRights21/09/21 03:51 PM
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Right? Feminists can so easily lobby for this or that definition to be expanded, and then after some years pass, start pushing the idea that women are oppressed, because "only X years ago, men could legally rape women. We still have a long ways to go for equality." They have a free pass to keep people thinking that in the relatively recent pass, women were in some unimaginably oppressed state, so keep funding feminism and shouting down those who dissent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/21 04:27 PM
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That shithead is the living embodiment of the trope "that isn't true, but if it were, it would be a good thing". Flat-out claims that feminists are not lobbying to keep women raping men legal, and when corrected, falls back to, "ehh, it's a good thing that women can legally rape men, anyway." What a fucker.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:42 PM
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Same goes for police killings. After George Floyd's death, when BLM was spiking in popularity, I repeatedly saw the same statistic brought up as evidence that black people are oppressed: a black person is 2.5 times as likely as a white person to be killed by the police, after accounting for relative population size. Time and time again, people brought this statistic up, as if this statistic alone proves that we live in a racist society where black people are hunted for sport. They always ignore …
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:38 PM
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Yeah. I had gotten fed up with the ridiculous problems on /r/AmITheAsshole (chief among them, the anti-male bias), so when I first heard that /r/AmITheAngel existed, I thought that was great. I love the idea of a subreddit dedicated to calling out Asshole for its absurdity. But like you and /u/TheLWMA have pointed out, it's even worse than Asshole is. As bad as Asshole is about being anti-man, Angel actually believes that Asshole is biased against women. There can be dozens of consecutive posts …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/21 07:13 PM
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Yep. I've been saying for a while that if people actually care about black lives, they need to stop screeching about the police, and start pushing back against feminism. Whether or not a person grew up with a father is an extremely impactful factor when it comes to success in life. And feminism is making it increasingly likely for children to be raised by single mothers. Feminism is orders of magnitude more deadly for black people than the police are, but BLM won't talk about it, because it's no…
/r/MensRights15/09/21 04:51 PM
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Yep. I wrote a couple of comments the other day with regards to how predictable woke media has become. The gist is that I saw a link to a trailer for the new Hawkeye show, and before knowing a single thing about it, I predicted they would shoehorn in a female character who is even better at being Hawkeye than Hawkeye, because in the modern world, it's not okay to have a movie about a man kicking ass. He needs to have a woman who's even better. A show about a woman can be about a woman, and any m…
/r/MensRights14/09/21 05:29 PM
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To add on to this little conversation here, I want to make two things clear. 1) When people like IntroductionNew3421 (and myself, in a different comment directed at you) recommend that you stop calling yourself a feminist, it isn't an attack at all. It's just sharing out perspective that feminism is a poisoned well, and that if a person truly believes in gender equality, they'd be doing themselves a favor by distancing themselves from the label, because it doesn't accurately represent what they …
/r/MensRights13/09/21 05:51 PM
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Yeah, allowing both men and women to post should be a given, not even really worth mentioning as if it's anything special. Like you, I think the thing worthy of praise is that this subreddit doesn't ban users for being feminists, nor for arguing in favor of feminism. They might get downvoted to hell, given how many people disagree with them. But they are allowed to speak their mind, and the users here engage them, most of the time in good faith, expressing why we disagree, and providing sources …
/r/MensRights13/09/21 05:47 PM
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Yep. It's not like there's some rule that anyone who is accepting is automatically right about everything. Obviously it's possible for Group A to be exclusive and closed-minded, while Group B is open and welcoming, and yet Group A can still be objectively in the right and Group B objectively in the wrong. But that being said, I think it's pretty telling how consistently one "side" operates by silencing any dissenting opinion, banning anyone who "fraternizes with the enemy", etc. while the other …
/r/MensRights13/09/21 05:41 PM
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Yep. As always, it's very easy for us to point to examples of prominent and influential feminists who are terrible and anti-equality. But I never see feminists able to point to prominent and influential feminists who fit their bill of actually being in favor of equality. You can point to Clementine Ford, but who can this other user point to?
/r/MensRights13/09/21 05:31 PM
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It's just part of the continuing demonization of men in general. Male sexuality is consistently portrayed as gross, and as rapey. Meanwhile female sexuality is seen as empowering. Female celebrities can basically say or do any gross thing they want, and people will find it to be empowering, calling her brave, and saying she's sticking it to "the man" by embracing her sexuality, rather than pointing out that there's a time and place for certain things, and that she's just being gross. Meanwhile, …
/r/MensRights13/09/21 01:59 AM
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Also, againstmensrights has existed for quite some time. At some point, againstwomensrights was created, not as a sincere sentiment, but as a way of illustrating how sexist it is to be against men's rights. againstwomensrights was banned very quickly for being sexist, while againstmensrights remains. We literally have a sexist subreddit which exists in earnest, and a sexist subreddit which exists ironically in order to make a point about the first subreddit, and the latter was banned while the f…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 01:51 AM
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The way I like to describe menslib is this. Imagine someone puts you into a large box, and gives you an axe. They then task you with breaking your way out of the box. So you naturally grab the axe to begin chopping your way out, but the person yells at you and tells you that you aren't allowed to damage the box at all. You are supposed to break your way out of the box, but without damaging the box. It's impossible. Supporting men's rights without criticizing feminism is impossible, because femin…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 01:49 AM
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being looked at in fear because of how men are being portrayed as a whole Once you start noticing it, it's kind of impossible to stop noticing it. Men are consistently portrayed terribly in modern media. Movies and TV shows are constantly portraying men are weak, pathetic, incompetent, evil, rapey, etc. Basically any time a female is the lead, any men in the story will be evil, incompetent, or both. They're only there to prop the women up by comparison, to show how much better women are than men…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 01:44 AM
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Personally I am a feminist, not hardcore or anything but I realize how blind I’ve been to men’s issues and I think maybe that’s because I’ve only experienced life as a woman so I only know my own issues It's not because you are a woman. It's because feminism has a stranglehold over the narrative in western society, and feminism relies on keeping people in the dark about men's issues. If society cared about men's issues in addition to women's issues, people would move away from feminism and more …
/r/MensRights13/09/21 01:36 AM
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It's projection as usual. The people saying that are completely incapable of empathy, and they don't understand what it feels like to have it. I mean, there's also the aspect that the legality of abortion affects men, and racism affects white people. But even in situations where that is not the case, I absolutely can and should have an opinion on any given issue, even if I am not impacted in the slightest. Because I'm a human. And I have empathy. I can put myself in other people's shoes to deter…
/r/MensRights02/09/21 09:08 PM
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Damn, Farrell is just a nonstop goldmine of quotes. Fantastic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/21 04:33 PM
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Also, and maybe this is a bit too conspiratorial, but a reasonable argument can be made that exhausting people with pointless arguments is a good first step before some kind of takeover. Tire everyone out with pointless arguments over and over until most people are too exhausted to really put forth the effort to argue about anything, even the important stuff. And at that point, it becomes very easy to push through some sickening ideas, because everyone is too worn out to properly object.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/21 04:13 PM
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Yep. I don't know what the general feelings on this sub are about /r/MensRights, but I spend a decent amount of time there, and while you will see the occasional misogynistic comment, they tend to be downvoted quite a bit with people telling them to fuck off and stop making the sub look bad. Despite this, people from other subreddits constantly come there in bad faith, looking for anything they can use as evidence of the sub being hateful. They'll ignore loads of reasonable comments to fixate on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/21 04:03 PM
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Yeah. Circumcision is no where near the top of my list when it comes to important men's issues, but even so, I find the response so appalling. Any time people bring it up outside of MRA subs, people seem to find it actively offensive to consider it mutilation. It's classic feminist stranglehold of society. Merely suggesting that men are facing an issue which should be addressed leads people to get pissed about how this conversation hurts women by suggesting that their problems aren't the most sp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/21 03:52 PM
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Granted, I spend a lot of time in MRA spaces, and I try to avoid feminist spaces, because they can be infuriatingly misandrist. But with that acknowledged, I pretty frequently see transgender people (some MTF, some FTM) who express that their time as a woman is/was so much better than their time as a man, at least when it comes to social treatment. People caring about them more, listening to their problems more, being considerate of their feelings, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/21 03:45 PM
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I think many of the things feminists believe are pure projection, to be honest. Absolutely. Feminist projection is constant. In my opinion, Patriarchy Theory is the epitome of feminist projection. The idea of Patriarchy Theory is that positions of power being filled mostly by men, means that men will receive special privileges, due to the in-group bias of those men in charge. The problem is that a man being in charge does not mean that he is going to demonstrate a bias toward other men. In fact,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/21 03:42 PM
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I think this is likely the story for many, many men's rights advocates who used to consider themselves feminists. They thought the term applied to them, because dictionary definition. So it was essentially shorthand to say, "I believe in gender equality, because I'm not an asshole". But then they eventually looked into what feminism actually is, and they realized it's not synonymous with gender equality, but is an ideology. I know that applies to me, and I'm sure it applies to many others, men a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/21 03:21 PM
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I think that's the main reason feminists hate the men's rights movement so much. If men's rights went mainstream, more and more people would be able to freely see the differences between the two. As it is right now, they are able to be brainwashed into thinking feminism is about equality. But if men's rights were just as mainstream as feminism, more people would see how different the two are, and how men's rights is legitimately just a push for fair treatment in areas where men are lacking, wher…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 01:20 PM
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I just had one of those moments yesterday. I've been in the same relationship for almost 6 years now. Yesterday, my girlfriend and I were talking about something, and she referenced an event which had happened 4 or 5 years ago. I had been on a fitness kick at the time, so I had slimmed down a bit and put on some extra muscle mass in my upper body. One day, one of my roommates' girlfriends was over, and she teased her boyfriend that he should start working out, so that he can get muscles like min…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 01:11 PM
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As long as you know that men's struggles are real, and they matter, just as much as everyone else's, I wouldn't say you have to do anything specific -- so please don't worry yourself. Seconded I've said it often, but the men's rights issue I care about most is the meta issue. The acknowledgement that men do have problems which are worth fighting for, and that advocating for men is not misogyny. If a person is willing to listen to men explain the struggles they have as men, and is willing to ackn…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 01:04 PM
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I can't speak for all men. But for me personally, I would have loved for a woman to make the first move when I was single. But even if I weren't that type, I would at least wish society would stop pushing the idea that male sexuality and romantic interest is inherently predatory. that way, men could feel comfortable to approach women they find cute, without feeling like they are seconds away from having the cops called on them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/21 09:33 PM
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Yep. We live in a world where men are still expected to make the first move, yet it's extremely common for feminists to argue that a man speaking to a woman in public is harassment. I'm so glad I am not single. I don't know how I would operate right now otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/21 05:03 PM
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And add on the constant demonization in the media. For a while now, we've been at a point where, any time a straight, white male character appears on a TV show or in a movie, I flinch internally, because I know it's just a matter of time before he's depicted doing something horrible, so that the show/movie can preach about how men are evil. If an alien who knew nothing about humanity were to watch modern media, they would very quickly come to believe that 100% of straight, white men are sexual p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/21 05:01 PM
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Yep. It's super frustrating. A normal progression would be this: 1) Person witnesses horrible thing happening 2) Person complains about horrible thing But instead what we see is this progression: 1) Person A complains about horrible thing 2) Person B witnesses Person A's complaint 3) Person B complains about horrible thing 4) Person C witnesses Person B's complaint 5) Person C complains about horrible thing Repeat forever It's really frustrating to behold. People complaining about something they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/21 04:35 PM
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Apparently the empathy gap is so large that the world doesn't even care that there is such a thing as an empathy gap. See also: the worst form of misandry is society denying that it exists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/21 08:03 PM
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Even worse when people do that in real life. Man cheats on woman, and the assumption is he's a selfish pig. Woman cheats on man, and the assumption is the man wasn't being a good partner, and wasn't satisfying her on at least one level (sexually, emotionally, financially)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/21 07:55 PM
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Man works his ass off and earns $1,000 Woman spends $750, leaving only $250 for the man who earned it Feminists: "The man earned infinitely more than the woman, so she is oppressed"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/21 07:48 PM
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Hell, there was the story recently about the woman who murdered her husband in his sleep by pouring boiling water on him. Water she had mixed sugar into in order to make it stick to him for longer, making it even more painful and damaging. She claims that he was abusive to their children a couple of decades prior. Even if that claim is true, it doesn't come close to justifying murder, especially not such a deliberately painful one. But people are also taking her claim at face value, automaticall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/21 07:18 PM
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The most frustrating thing of all is that this disparity in behavior exists in our favor, yet society firmly believes the opposite. Men's rights group are consistently vigilant about removing any comments which could be interpreted as anti-women. Women's groups rarely, if ever, return the favor. They allow any and all man-bashing the users desire. Yet the common perception society has is that women's rights groups are heroic freedom fighters, pushing for equality, while men's rights group are mi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/21 07:00 PM
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Feminism 101. No matter how many horrible feminists people are able to present, dismiss them all as not being true feminists, and then disappear from the conversation before people have a chance to request that you provide an example of a prominent "true feminist". I've seen countless names presented when MRAs are demonstrating how many misandrist feminists are in positions of influence. I never see feminists respond with examples of egalitarian feminists in similar positions of influence. If th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/21 06:44 PM
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I mean, if you're already leaning in the conspiracy direction, I'll point out that a lot of these attitudes started getting more intense right around the time Occupy Wall Street was going on. People were finally rallying against the wealthy elites, when suddenly everyone started getting distracted by grievance politics based around race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/21 06:40 PM
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"Such-and-such group has no empathy," thundered he who was notoriously without empathy.
/r/MensRights28/08/21 03:41 AM
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You know women don't have the right to unilateraly adopt out their children, right? Once the child is born the father has legally exactly the same rights that the mother has and can prevent an adoption and make her pay child support. If he knows about it. A woman can just fucking not tell a man that he's going to be a father. It's so fucked up, and yet our society views it as such a normal thing that it shows up regularly in sit-coms. Female character discovers she's pregnant. The father was eit…
/r/MensRights28/08/21 03:39 AM
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Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why social pressures placed on men are referred to as "toxic masculinity" while social pressures placed on women are referred to as "misogyny" and sometimes "internalized misogyny"? You think it's just a coincidence how frequently feminists push for language which associates men with abusers and women with victims?
/r/MensRights28/08/21 03:07 AM
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Fantastic comparison. Some men might enjoy the opportunity to talk about what they do, or they might enjoy the attention their job brings upon them. Other men might feel uncomfortable, as if they are nothing more than their job. According to feminist logic, this proves we live in a misandrist society, because men get this question asked more than women do, and some men find it off-putting. Fuck me, feminism is stupid.
/r/MensRights26/08/21 09:31 PM
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Always remember: Men's weakness is their facade of strength. Women's strength is their facade of weakness.
/r/MensRights26/08/21 03:36 PM
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If it's the same study I'm thinking of, I seem to recall that a boyfriend and girlfriend in a long-term relationship having sex while drunk qualifies as well. Literally an existing couple with ongoing implied consent have sex while drunk, and that's considered to be in the same category as rape. These studies are shameless. Anything to push the agenda.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 05:03 PM
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Fantastic response. Feminists like this always try to argue in the most disingenuous ways. They act like if men don't have the exact same experience as women, then checkmate, that's proof of misogyny. But men and women are different, and they tend to have different experiences. That doesn't prove sexism one way or the other. Women might experience cat-calling more than men, sure. But does that prove misogyny? Absolutely not. Like you said, some women really enjoy the attention, while others find…
/r/MensRights25/08/21 04:53 PM
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Great points all around. I was worried the top comment would be the overly simplistic "because they profit from it". And while that's true (hence it being present in one of your points), I think it's pretty reductive, and is the kind of thinking which causes people to label this subreddit misogynistic. I'm glad to see a thorough response here. I think you're absolutely right on all counts.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 09:51 PM
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But isn't it funny that the only thing they do is say "They aren't true feminists" they don't seem to go out of their way to actively shut down these people who are apparently hijacking their label and destroying it's reputation? That's half of the problem. You are correct that they constantly say "those aren't real feminists", yet do nothing to attempt to protect their ideology/movement by ousting those people. But the other half of the problem is how they never seem to have good examples of so…
/r/MensRights23/08/21 03:44 PM
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It's astonishing how few people seem to understand how analogies work. I am seeing an increasing amount of people who seem to think that if you compare two things in one way, you are actually saying that the two things are identical. People constantly ignore the point being made in order to highlight a way in which the two things are different, as if that's even a response at all. It's kind of embarrassing. But I guess this is what happens when teachers are more concerned with pushing their poli…
/r/MensRights21/08/21 04:27 PM
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I love how these people always assume you must be just as bad as they are. They endlessly cite the most propagandistic left-wing news sources, and if anyone dares call them on it, they assume that person must only read the most propagandistic right-wing news sources. But it's really just showing their projection.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 04:24 PM
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"iNtErNaLiZeD mIsOgYnY"
/r/MensRights21/08/21 04:17 PM
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People who make such arguments are misrepresenting equal opportunity. Equal opportunity typically does not result in equal representation, even if we are comparing things that are equal. Flip a coin 1,000 times and the odds are astronomically against a 500-500 split. If anything, perfectly equal representation is probably a result of discriminatory intervention, not equal opportunity. Agreed. I've made this argument on numerous occasions as well. People assume that if discrimination is not prese…
/r/MensRights21/08/21 04:17 PM
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Yep. I am pro-choice, but I constantly find myself getting irritated with stupid pro-choice arguments. So many of them argue in extremely disingenuous ways. People are constantly framing it as being evil men oppressing poor women, because they love having control over women's bodies. And that's just absurd. If you aren't willing to listen to why your opposition feels the way they do, then you can't have a productive discussion on the issue. And it's clear as day that the reason why people are pr…
/r/MensRights21/08/21 04:11 PM
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Glad more and more people are realizing what's sour on Am I The Asshole. I thought I was taking crazy pills for the longest time. The bias against men over there is so consistently insane, but people never seem to notice it. But more and more recently, I've seen it showing up in other subreddits as an example of a misandrist sub. Fantastic.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 04:06 PM
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Since feminists shriek about the apex fallacy apparently being a dogwhistle for some reason Classic bullshit technique. If your opposition has an extremely solid point which they bring up often, start bringing that argument up in meta-context, accusing it of being evil. Then you don't have to actually come up with a counter-argument the next time that point is made. You can just claim that you've won the argument by default, because your opposition resorted to an evil argument, because you said …
/r/MensRights21/08/21 04:05 PM
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Not only is it prejudiced against men to not make the differentiation, it's especially insulting to be compared to your oppressors. Right? Imagine a queen telling a peasant man how privileged he is, because the king has more power than she does.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 04:02 PM
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"(Shit, I'm losing this argument, because I don't actually have any solid points to make) Uhh, uhh, *you sound sexist! (Gottem. Phew, that was a close one!)"
/r/MensRights21/08/21 03:59 PM
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You're blaming the symptom and not the disease. People assume a woman in STEM is underqualified, because they see all the extra help women get in STEM, and as a result, how much less qualified a woman can be while still having such-and-such job. If feminists stopped pushing so hard for extra programs and scholarships aimed only at women in STEM, and if they stopped implementing hiring quotas, then people would be much less likely to think this way. If men and women were held to the same standard…
/r/MensRights21/08/21 03:58 PM
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Unsurprisingly she worked for less than a year before getting married and being a housewife because "work was stressing her out". It cracks me up how people continue not to get this. No one wants to work. I mean, some people do. I know there are people who have that personality where they just aren't happy unless they are doing something. And while those people might be able to get away with pursuing hobbies, it's just easier for them to have a career for reliability. But I would argue the vast …
/r/MensRights21/08/21 03:54 PM
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This conversation is hilarious, and I keep hearing Phoenix Wright yelling "OBJECTION" in response to each claim of a fallacy.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 03:49 PM
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The idea that men and women together came up with a list of societal rules and expectations over the millennia that we've been around...is completely beyond a feminist's ability to comprehend. They're so misogynistic themselves that they think of women as helpless children who can't ever get anything done. And they project that onto everyone else, accusing them of being the misogynists. It's so pathetic to see.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 03:48 PM
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Yeah, it's insane how short-sighted people are. "The leader is a man, so men are privileged." "But there are more female voters than male, so that man is pandering to those women, not those men." "Uhh PATRIARCHY" It's insane to me that we live in a world where a global pandemic puts a shit load of people out of work, yet Justin Trudeau refers to it as a "she-cession", and implies that there will be loads of woman-only programs by referring to a "she-covery", and yet people still believe our soci…
/r/MensRights21/08/21 03:46 PM
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It's a very long video, but I enjoyed MacabreStorytelling's take on this issue. Most people are willing to label a man an incel as soon as they don't like his opinions, and those same people think of "incels" as evil, horrible people. It's nice to see someone break down how a person gets involved in those communities, and how it's often the result of being neglected and shoved aside, rather than simply being a bad person. It's been a while since I've seen it, so I can't definitively say that eve…
/r/MensRights20/08/21 04:03 PM
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Agreed completely. I respect the idea of protecting free speech, and not banning users for different opinions. I respect the mods of this sub for doing just that. Feminists are allowed to come here and discuss things with us. But if it ever started getting bad enough that this subreddit, which is critical of feminism, was being overrun by feminists, to the point where it was becoming a feminist subreddit? I would hope the mods would have the brains to step in and stop that. The mods of TIA have …
/r/MensRights20/08/21 02:50 PM
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Yep. Even over on TumblrInAction, the feminist hypocrisy is coming out to play. It's really a shame to see one of the better subreddits on this site be completely overtaken by radical feminism. I just came from a thread which was almost unanimously agreeing that it's a good thing to evacuate women and children, and to leave the men to die. I saw numerous comments with positive scores saying that every man in Afghanistan deserves to be killed, because they were the ones in the position to stop th…
/r/MensRights19/08/21 11:23 PM
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Prominent feminist wielding power says and does misandrist things. Feminists: "That's not a real feminist" Some guy who claims to be an MRA, but who most MRAs hate, says and does misogynistic things. Feminists: "See?! Men's rights is inherently misogynistic!!!"
/r/MensRights19/08/21 07:59 PM
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It's also shifting the goal posts. Feminists pull this shit constantly. They loudly claim that women are paid less than men for the same jobs, because that is a bold statement which gets people riled up. If women are legitimately being paid less than men for the exact same job, at the exact same company, purely because they are women, that's blatant misogyny. But that isn't what is happening. We argue back that this is bullshit, so they shift the goalposts to, "Yeah, but why do you think there a…
/r/MensRights19/08/21 04:13 PM
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Agreed. People like to treat it as an issue of life. They'll argue that the moment of conception is when life begins, and therefore, abortion is murder. But I think that misses the mark. We don't consider something murder if it removes a life form. We consider something murder if it removes a person. Plants are life forms as well. But if I go outside and cut the grass, I'm not committing murder. I'm technically killing a life form, but it's not a person. If I kill someone's dog, however, people …
/r/MensRights19/08/21 04:07 PM
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Yep. Feminists are incredibly short-sighted. They're so caught up in their hatred for men that they can't understand that helping men in one way would have a rippled effect which would help women in the long run. Every decision to them is "men vs. women", and by helping men at all, they would be actively harming women. They think like literal children.
/r/MensRights19/08/21 03:59 PM
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And they're still doing it. Did you see that Trudeau shit? COVID has caused so many people to lose their jobs. But feminists can't stand it when "people" are the victims rather than "women". So they hyper-analyze the data, and they determined that the female employment rate dropped ever so slightly more than the male employment rate did. So that means the pandemic needs to be viewed as "hurting women", rather than "hurting people". And as a follow-up, we have Justin Trudeau referring to it as a …
/r/MensRights18/08/21 06:43 PM
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"More men are killed than women, yet people describe this as 'women dying'. I think it's a problem that people are so willing to dismiss the suffering of men just because they are men." "ZOMG WHY YOU MAKE IT A COMPETITION??!?!?" These people are so brainwashed, it isn't even funny anymore.
/r/MensRights18/08/21 06:40 PM
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Our society is so fucking warped that when a man is killed and a woman has sex when she isn't in the mood, people consider the woman to have the worse end of the deal. It's lunacy.
/r/MensRights18/08/21 06:38 PM
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Men are dying, but women are having sex they don't want!!!!! Not to downplay rape, but my god, put up against death, it's fucking absurd to even consider it in the same ballpark. I remember back to an article I read a few years ago. A woman who was, I think, a journalist, had been captured along with a military troop. While they were prisoners of war, she was repeatedly raped. But she could also hear the screams coming from the other rooms, where the men were being fucking tortured. Her takeaway…
/r/MensRights18/08/21 06:37 PM
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There's also that Trudeau bullshit with regards to the pandemic. Lockdowns have caused an economic crisis, with many people losing their jobs. But apparently, this has impacted women ever so slightly more than men, so obviously, it must be treated as a women's issue, rathe than an issue impacting everyone. Fucking dumbass Trudeau is on record referring to it as a "she-cession", and saying we need a "she-covery". It's like these people are trying their best to make our memes become reality. World…
/r/MensRights18/08/21 06:33 PM
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In addition to the other response, I want to add that the reason so many women were against their own right to vote was that men's right to vote came with the responsibility of signing up for the selective service. Women didn't find it worth voting if it meant the possibility of being drafted. The first wave of feminism started the trend of privileges without responsibility, by pushing for women to get the right to vote without having the responsibility of signing up for selective service. For t…
/r/MensRights18/08/21 04:51 PM
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Agreed. This is my issue. I can point to prominent feminists in order to justify how feminism, as a movement, is harmful toward men. But I don't like to get into the "there are bad people in your ranks, so that makes you bad, too." Like you, I think the main problem is that feminism, as an ideology, is anti-male. Even if I couldn't isolate this or that prominent misandrist feminist, I would still say feminism is misandrist, because it's the core of the ideology.
/r/MensRights18/08/21 04:41 PM
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Also them: "I know OP has provided us literally no reason to think this, but the fact that she has done these terrible things leads me to believe she was the victim of abuse as a child. We really can't blame her for her terrible actions as an adult, because I am assuming literally all of those actions are the result of trauma which I invented out of thin air, rather than just being bad choices." It's insane how consistently they pull that shit. If they catch a whiff of a man even thinking someth…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 09:36 PM
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Yet you STILL see comments claiming reddit is "antiwomen". and those comments are consistently in the hundreds, if not thousands, of points. Which ironically proves it wrong. The way I like to describe it is this. Imagine in your small town, there are two groups which meet each week. One is filled with the most foul, man-hating women. They meet each week to do nothing but talk shit about how men are the worst. The other group is the exact opposite. Awful, woman-hating men. Imagine that you atten…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 08:46 PM
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AITA is terrible about this, but as usual, selectively so. A woman can write up 5 paragraphs about how her husband is the worst. Just nonstop shitting on the man she supposedly loves. Giving the readers information which is completely irrelevant to the conflict in question. And then she'll briefly describe a conflict where she is so obviously in the wrong. But by that point, everyone in the comments has come to hate this man they don't know, and side with OP, spewing hate at this man based solel…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 08:05 PM
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Agreed. I am ultimately very flexible when it comes to these kinds of topics. I am perfectly fine with the traditional dynamic, where I, as a man, am expected to provide for my family, to protect them from danger, and where my wife, as a woman, is expected to take care of the home, raise the children (when I am not around), and take care of the shopping, cooking, and cleaning. I am also perfectly fine with the more modern dynamic, where each partner has a choice in what they want to be, such tha…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 07:25 PM
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hahahaha, someone tried to claim that reddit as a whole is overwhelmingly young men who complain about men's issues. Imagine being so delusional that you actually think reddit is biased in favor of men against women. Jesus. I'm glad someone responded the way they did. Someone pointed out that the subreddit they are on (TrueOffMyChest) literally only exists as the result of people being banned from the original OffMyChest for daring to care about men's issues. They are literally on a subreddit wh…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 01:40 PM
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It's crazy how these people try to re-write history as if it's been men making women's decisions for them. Nah. Women wanted these things as well. Men are biologically wired to protect women, so they naturally would say, "Stand back and let me put myself in danger. You take the easy role, and I will take the dangerous one, because I want to protect you." And women were perfectly okay with that, because they don't want to fucking die. Men don't want to die, either, but they would rather die than …
/r/MensRights16/08/21 03:29 PM
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There's nothing toxic about identifying different trends in men and women. We aren't TRAs. We can acknowledge that men and women are different kinds of people. Should you assume something about an individual because of their gender? No. That's shitty. But can you comment on how women are more likely to X than men, and men are more likely to Y than women? Absolutely. I also feel that women are less likely to be funny than men. That's not sexism. It's just an observation of a trend. There are also…
/r/MensRights16/08/21 02:46 PM
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As usual, there is more than one major problem with what feminists argue. In this case, you are correct. They argue that false allegations are extremely rare, and should therefore be ignored as a possibility, and never discussed. You are correct that false allegations are not nearly as rare as feminists say they are. But the second issue here is that even if they were correct, who cares? Suddenly, if an issue only affects a small portion of society, it's not worth discussing? I wonder how these …
/r/MensRights16/08/21 02:34 PM
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I have never seen an answer to this question. When feminists say "those aren't real feminists" with reference to misandrists, the common counter-argument is to quote Karen Straughan. And to be fair, that's an incredible response. Karen nails it, and it's no surprise people quote her when this issue comes up. But that being said, it's not the only valid argument here. Whenever a feminist defends feminism by saying "those [misandrists] aren't real feminists", I tend to ask, "So who is?" If real fe…
/r/MensRights16/08/21 02:27 PM
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Seriously. I have a wonderful and loving girlfriend, so I hate making comments which generalize women in a negative light, making it sound like I'm a bitter, lonely man who has never known a good woman. But from what I see online, it's insane. There's so many women who seem to think that...being an attentive partner is some kind of labor they deserve to be compensated for. It's just called being a good partner. Yes, you listen to your boyfriend/husband when they have something to get off their c…
/r/MensRights15/08/21 02:53 PM
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"allowed" That's a weird way to talk about something most people would rather not do. Seriously. Go ask any random man if they would rather work the rest of their life, or receive the same income while only having to tidy up their home for a couple of hours each day. A significant portion of men would quit their job in a heartbeat if they were told they could receive the same financial stability without having to work for it. Imagine being so brainwashed that when you see one person working long…
/r/MensRights15/08/21 02:50 PM
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Feminists: "Men should talk about their feelings" Also feminists: "Ugh, why are men talking about their feelings?"
/r/MensRights15/08/21 02:47 PM
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It's how feminists work. Almost everything they ridicule in men has a parallel which they defend in women. If society has expectations of men, they call it toxic masculinity, blaming men for the problems placed upon them. But if society has expectations of women, they call it misogyny, blaming society (read: men) for putting those problems on women. If men speak out about the sexism they face, feminists call it fragile masculinity, ridiculing men for daring to do anything other than suck it up, …
/r/MensRights15/08/21 02:42 PM
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Right?! I roll my eyes every time a woman pushes the idea that being a stay-at-home spouse is the hardest job in the world. Bitch, please. I know some men are just slobs when they live alone. But plenty more of us live alone at some point, and develop the skills necessary to run a home on our own. And being such a person myself, I can say with full confidence that being a stay-at-home spouse is the easiest thing ever. I've worked a full-time job while also maintaining a home every day. Like you …
/r/MensRights13/08/21 12:45 PM
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In essence, if telling a quality story isn't your top priority...then it will probably show. Are "telling a good story" and "having a minority lead" mutually exclusive? Of course not. But if you have "having a minority lead" above "telling a good story" in your list of priorities, it's going to show. Especially because it's rarely just that one thing. It's "having a minority in the lead", and "having at least one gay character", and "having a reprehensible white male character", and so on. It qu…
/r/MensRights13/08/21 03:15 AM
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Yep. Pretty much daily posts on /r/television about this or that actor opening up about being a woman/black person/muslim/indian/gay person/etc. and starring in a show/movie. And every time, /r/television circlejerks about how incredible and brave the person is, and how we finally have a show/movie which promotes a social justice theme (as if that isn't 90+% of media these days), and saying shit like, "Uh oh, the racist incels aren't going to like this!" without even giving people a chance to ex…
/r/MensRights13/08/21 03:09 AM
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Fantastic article. The author said a lot of things I've thought before. Some of which, I have expressed on this subreddit before, others I have not. In particular, I liked the point about how it's unfair for the cleaner partner to impose half of the burden onto the less-clean partner. Like the author said, it's reasonable to expect they both put in effort to achieve a baseline of hygiene. But beyond that, if one partner is super particular, it's unfair to demand that their partner do extra work …
/r/MensRights12/08/21 10:05 PM
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I might agree with you if news networks were the main source of information exchange these days, but they aren't. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's assume there are literally only two news networks: Fox and CNN. CNN is pro-feminism, and Fox is anti-feminism. Now, according to you, this means that half of the media is anti-feminism, and therefore, we can't claim that "the narrative" is pro-feminism. But even with that massive benefit of the doubt, it's still wrong to claim that the me…
/r/MensRights12/08/21 02:39 PM
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It's the issue with a one-sided approach to equality. If, from the get-go, you take a broad approach to equality, you are putting yourself in a better position to achieve, but also maintain, equality. You have to constantly be re-assessing the whole scope. What legal rights are Group A lacking. What legal rights are Group B lacking. What social problems exist for Group A? What about for Group B? And so on. Constantly be re-assessing what the current issues are, and how to fix them, and then re-a…
/r/MensRights12/08/21 02:32 PM
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Thank you. And this is why people like that moron tend to avoid providing examples. Because they know damn well that as soon as they do, they'll be torn to shreds by people with a brain. These people thrive on the ability to stay vague. They say "Such-and-such community is X-ist/X-phobic", and people tend to eat it up. They don't ask for specifics. They just think, "Oh really? Damn. I guess I hate such-and-such community now!" And then they go on to spread how that community is X-ist/X-phobic. P…
/r/MensRights11/08/21 01:30 PM
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No, go fuck yourself. If it's so easy to check your comment history, then you do it. The burden of proof is on you, anyway, and you are more likely to know how far back in your history you need to look. Stop trying to shift the burden onto other people when you are the one making bogus claims.
/r/MensRights11/08/21 01:25 PM
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How convenient that you don't provide links. For all we know, you made these comments up completely. And even if you didn't, the lack of a link means we can't see the scores. You can't prove a subreddit is sexist by describing a sexist comment, because if the majority of users downvoted that comment, that only proves a sexist user, not a sexist subreddit. It's like you don't even want to be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 07:38 PM
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Yes, they are. And it's a solid demonstration of why Patriarchy Theory is horseshit. Feminists assume that men holding positions of power means men will be advantaged. But they are ignoring the fact that those men in power fairly often pass policies which advantage women over men. Because both men and women prioritize women. Women have a strong in-group bias, and men have a strong out-group bias. Both prioritize women over men. Feminists project constantly. They know full-well that whenever they…
/r/MensRights10/08/21 04:31 PM
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As usual, these idiots have no argument other than "lol you're not oppressed". There is an enormous middle ground between "being oppressed" and "having literally zero issues worth fighting for". People constantly act like you are only allowed to raise issues if you are oppressed, and that's insane. There are plenty of people on this subreddit who know full-well men are not oppressed. But that doesn't mean men aren't discriminated against. It doesn't mean there aren't societal problems which hurt…
/r/MensRights10/08/21 04:27 PM
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Convenient how it's always the vague terms "misogyny, transphobia, racism", and never concrete examples. Stop it. If you are going to raise the very serious concern that people are being hateful, be specific. To some people, a lighthearted joke at the expense of men or women is perfectly fine, and it doesn't become sexism until you are advocating for reduced rights. To others, any joke at the expense of men or women is sexism. So just calling something sexist is useless, because how is anyone su…
/r/MensRights10/08/21 04:25 PM
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As usual, these morons use the same ridiculous argument: "X isn't happening, but if it were, it would be a good thing." It's insane how consistent that shit comes out of their mouths. "Ughhh, men aren't oppressed. But also, there's a good reason for society to be oppressing men right now, so stop complaining about it." So which is it?
/r/MensRights09/08/21 07:53 PM
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Agreed. I think the Hubbard situation is incredibly frustrating, and the conspiracy side of my head thinks it was intentional. Instead of sending a transgender woman who is in her prime, they send a transgender woman who is double the age of the rest of the competitors, who was not even very competitive before transitioning, and who had sustained what should be a career-ending injury only a few years ago. Then she fails to produce even a single lift. And now she has announced that she is retirin…
/r/MensRights09/08/21 05:13 PM
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"If black people in the past have done so much wrong that assuming they committed a crime is valid, then there is a problem with black people lol" Huh, weird. Suddenly you sound like a 100-year old racist.
/r/MensRights09/08/21 03:19 PM
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Not to mention the obvious argument...you don't have to be oppressed to fight for rights you are lacking. People constantly pull this bullshit. MRAs will point out a list of rights men are lacking, and/or a list of ways in which men are legally discriminated against. Then the MRAs request that those things be addressed by society and improved upon, in the name of equality. People consistently respond with things like, "Ugh, stop pretending you're oppressed". No one is pretending to be oppressed.…
/r/MensRights09/08/21 03:19 PM
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You don't think a society-wide double standard qualifies as an issue for men? It seems like you want to talk about hyper-specific issues, and don't like it when people point out broader problems. But I quite enjoy discussing the broader problems. Do I care that people aren't pushing for me to get into nursing? No. Do I care that people are pushing for women to get into STEM? Not in theory, it just depends on how they go about doing that. But what I do care about is a state of society which allow…
/r/MensRights09/08/21 01:27 PM
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Yep. That's a super consistent thing, I've found. A male-only space will inevitably be shut down for being exclusionary, or will be forced to let women in as well. If there is a female-only equivalent, it will not be shut down, nor will it be forced to allow men in. With so many things in life, we have the version for everyone, and the version for women. It's never considered okay to have a version for men.
/r/MensRights09/08/21 01:25 PM
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It's sad how that's become less of a joke. A lot of people saw this shit coming a while ago, and have been joking for a long time that "diversity" can be translated to "fewer straight, white men". But as time has passed, that's stopped being a joke which mocks a bad mindset. It's started to just be true through and through. This is just one example, but it's the first one which popped into my head. I remember the initial casting call for the Witcher, and for one particular character (I think Cir…
/r/MensRights09/08/21 01:23 PM
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It's what happens when you have a one-sided approach to equality. It seems all well and good, starting out. Because initially, you observe the world and see that Group A is far behind Group B. So you naively think, "Aha, so helping Group A is equality". But like I just said, that's a very naive view. Initially, helping Group A would be moving toward equality, yes. But you are building a worldview which relies on the notion that Group A is perpetually disadvantaged, and that helping Group A will …
/r/MensRights09/08/21 01:19 PM
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sound of goalposts shifting
/r/MensRights09/08/21 12:40 PM
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Even if absolutely everything you just said is true, rather than being absolute bullshit, then I would still point out to you... Why is the force for all good called "feminism", and the force for all evil called "patriarchy". If it's society as a whole, culture as a whole, which are to blame for the problems experienced by women, as well as the problems experienced by men, then why is the evil force named after men, and the good force named after women? You don't see the enormous red flag there,…
/r/MensRights09/08/21 03:15 AM
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Granted, any given subreddit (even reddit as a whole) isn't representative of all people. But AmITheAsshole is a great example of this kind of double standard. When a man does something bad on AITA, he's the fucking devil. He gets no excuses made for him. He did bad, so he is bad. But when a woman does something bad on AITA, people will stop at nothing to invent excuses for her. If there's something in the story suggesting that she had so much as a single hardship in her life, people will fixate…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:49 PM
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is that fair to cut an adult that much slack because they're strung out on shit that happened to them when they were children? If she's a woman, yes. If he's a man, no. I never see people bend over backward to justify a man for a lifetime of being a shitty person, simply because he had a shitty childhood. I only ever see that happen to make excuses for women.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:44 PM
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The "legitimate problem" argument is especially damning when you consider how small a percentage of the overall population are transgender or non-binary. That's the big social issue these days, and people are expected to change the way they have spoken their entire life to accommodate the feelings of an incredibly small amount of people. But then the same people will turn around and argue that male rape victims and male victims of false rape accusations don't matter, because they don't make up a…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:36 PM
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This is IMO why many young, left-leaning people will not even consider the idea that feminism is wrong. To do so would mean they are on the side of the so-called ‘far right’ political parties. It's very true. Even when a left-leaning person has finally been broken enough to agree with a right-leaning talking point, they'll still make sure to express how they think everyone right of center is a crazy, evil madman...in the same sentence they are admitting that those people have a point. I've seen …
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:31 PM
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Feminists when you point out prominent feminists who have actively caused problems for men's rights: "Those aren't real feminists." Feminists when they are trying to make /r/MensRights look misogynistic: "Ooh, here's a single post made by a single user with no upvotes!!! See?! This subreddit is misogynistic!!!"
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:22 PM
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Agreed. It's frustrating to me how many people seem to believe that a one-sided approach to equality will ever work. You have to look at the whole playing board if your goal is equality. You can't focus in on the group you personally believe is "losing" at the moment, operating under the logic that advancing this one group will always be a step toward equality. It's madness.
/r/MensRights07/08/21 10:59 PM
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Yeah, and that raises an interesting question. What are there more of? 1) MRAs who are also ex-feminists 2) Feminists who are also ex-MRAs I have no evidence to support it, obviously, but I think it's plain as day that there are far more people in Group 1 than Group 2. I think MRAs who used to consider themselves feminists are extremely common. But I can't imagine there are very many people who used to be MRAs and somehow got into feminism afterward.
/r/MensRights07/08/21 09:10 PM
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Yeah. There's some woman whose Snapchat I saw on reddit, and she posts her tits (censored) to her story every so often. So occasionally I'll pop in there. But when it's not her tits, it's obnoxious pictures of her face with her eyes in the most exaggerated roll imaginable, with some text saying this kind of thing. Bitching about how all men are terrible, and how there are no good ones, and how none of them deserve her anyway, and so on. And every time I see one of those, all I can think is, "Yea…
/r/MensRights07/08/21 03:28 AM
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Yep. People wonder why there seem to be so many white transgender lesbians. It's not fucking rocket scientist. All of those people used to be cisgender, straight, white men. The most demonized and reviled demographic at the moment. They constantly have to read things about how white people are racist and evil, and how men are violent abusers who mansplain, and so on. With a single declaration, they can be considered transgender, gay, white women. Suddenly 3 out of 4 major categories make them un…
/r/MensRights07/08/21 03:22 AM
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Ironically proving the opposite in the process. They are quite literally demonstrating a vulnerability unique to white people and men: the fact that people will discriminate against them due to their perceived privilege What's the quote about the purest form of misandry being that people deny its existence? Or a big example of sexism is people believing that it only flows one direction? Something like that.
/r/MensRights07/08/21 03:14 AM
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Well the thing is I didn’t ask you lol. Translation: You are 100% correct, and I have no counter-argument.
/r/MensRights07/08/21 03:11 AM
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Right? I love how that's used as evidence that the guy is some huge bigot. But all he did was acknowledge a thing which absolutely happens on a regular basis. If you're accusing any given person you know of being a diversity hire, then that's shitty. But just the mere acknowledgement that this trend exists?
/r/MensRights07/08/21 03:09 AM
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As usual, feminists are the most misogynistic people around. They constantly paint women as helpless children with no agency. By claiming that a drunk man is still responsible for his actions, while a drunk woman is a victim waiting to happen, they are openly admitting that they view men as grown ups and women as children. If a man can be expected to be responsible while drunk, then that pokes an enormous hole in their "but she had sex while drunk, so that's rape, not a poor decision made under …
/r/MensRights06/08/21 08:10 PM
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I still can't believe they bothered to even specify that Jake was drunk for this hypothetical. That accomplishes literally nothing except making the hypocrisy explicit. If they had removed that line, and left the line about Josie being drunk, and left in the picture of both of them drinking, it would still be such obvious hypocrisy. It would still be plain as day that they just don't give a shit about men. But at least then, they wouldn't have been shooting themselves in the foot. I just don't u…
/r/MensRights06/08/21 08:01 PM
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To put what bufedad said a different way, I think anyone who truly believes in gender equality should drop the label "feminist". It does more harm than good. No change in beliefs necessary, just distance from a hateful and harmful ideology. I used to consider myself a feminist. Because like many people, I trusted the dictionary definition. "Feminist" was simply shorthand, because saying, "I believe in gender equality" is wordier than saying, "I am a feminist". But as time passed, I learned more …
/r/MensRights05/08/21 09:39 PM
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The rules also state that it's a pro-feminist subreddit. They don't even try to hide it. I don't know how anyone can think that you can discuss men's rights without at least some criticism of feminism. Even if people think this subreddit overdoes it, it's insane to even attempt to support men's rights without criticizing feminism. Feminism is an active barrier to men's rights. Menslib are, and I do not use this word often, gigantic cucks.
/r/MensRights05/08/21 09:34 PM
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Yep. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I have never once seen a feminist respond to this point when it's raised. Time and time again, people have pointed out that the countries with the highest ratings of egalitarianism are also the countries with the biggest disparities in what careers men and women choose. That's as plain as proof can get that men and women are naturally inclined toward different things. But still, feminists insist that misogyny is the only possible reason that women …
/r/MensRights05/08/21 03:34 PM
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Absolute comedy. As usual, personal choice is an anathema to feminists. It completely destroys their entire narrative. To acknowledge that women simply like being teachers and nurses would completely erase their ability to scream oppression. It's really laughable. All the person did was to request that the feminist stop calling women weak, and referenced that women make choices. And the feminist loses her shit at that. Insanity.
/r/MensRights05/08/21 03:31 PM
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How are they stuck in these relationships? We have no fault divorce. I understand that sometimes, a person really can feel trapped because of a combination of factors. And I truly do not envy people in that position. It must be hell to realize that you are not happy with your partner, yet feel like it's simply not an option to walk away, so you resign yourself to a lifetime of unhappiness. I truly feel bad for such people, though I would point out that a man is just as likely to be in such a pos…
/r/MensRights05/08/21 03:22 PM
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Same here. I know couples where they are truly equal partners, and neither one seems to be "in charge" by any stretch. And I know many other couples where the woman is clearly "in charge". It's very consistent. Like you, I think it's a situation where people hear one thing so much that they just assume it to be true, and they repeat it to others, despite evidence to the contrary. It's just "common knowledge" at this point, and saying something to the contrary makes people baffled, because they'l…
/r/MensRights05/08/21 03:16 PM
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God, I hate that. I just hate dishonest arguments in general. I find it so intriguing and fun when two people with opposing viewpoints can honestly engage one another and challenge each other's viewpoints. It's so fascinating to me. But everyone just wants to be a dishonest asshole who frames their opponent's arguments in the worst possible light. A man is frustrated that women are allowed to hit him freely, but if he is ever pushed over the edge and strikes back to defend himself, or hell, just…
/r/MensRights05/08/21 03:13 PM
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I am convinced that the average feminist truly believes that any point in "the past" can be represented by Don and Betty Draper. They seem convinced that for all of human history, all men had powerful jobs and submissive wives. It's a super reductive view of history. Even the time period when Mad Men was set isn't as simple as "men have power, women are submissive". But it's especially inaccurate when you consider other time periods as well. Try going back in time and finding a random peasant fa…
/r/MensRights05/08/21 03:11 PM
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Right. Even if it's true that men are less likely to fight for custody, that doesn't prove that this choice alone explains the discrepancy. I'd say that's mixing up the cause and the effect. Men are less likely to fight for custody, because they know they are more likely to lose. If you take two people, and you tell one of them that they have a 90% chance of success, and you tell the other they have a 10% chance of success....no shit the former will take the risk more often than the latter. The …
/r/MensRights05/08/21 03:07 PM
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I love this argument. It's so frustrating reading thread after thread where people bend over backward to insist that breasts aren't sexual. It's just such a denial of reality. They'll endlessly argue that breasts are only sexual because our culture is made up of prudes. Then they'll point to other cultures where women are frequently topless as "proof" that breasts are not inherently sexual. But they are missing the mark. It's possible to become desensitized to things which are inherently sexual.…
/r/MensRights05/08/21 03:05 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ox6ru0/women_of_reddit_what_do_you_wish_was_as/ The top comment has changed since my comment here, but the point is still the same. Now, the top comments are about not having to wear bras or worry about boobs. And the "peeing on a tree" response isn't far behind. So still the same point. These women are being given free reign to bring up the biggest problems they face as women, and they bring up boobs and peeing standing up. Sounds pretty privileged to…
/r/MensRights05/08/21 02:58 PM
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Yep. It's so fucked up. These bigots have managed to twist "incel" to simultaneously mean "person who is unsuccessful in romance" and "hateful misogynist". It's possibly the purest motte-and-bailey I've ever seen in my life. It gives them free license to shit on people they find unattractive, and as soon as anyone dares call them on this horrible behavior, they retreat by claiming that incel means hateful misogynist, in which case, they are hating on someone for being a bad person, not for being…
/r/MensRights04/08/21 09:17 PM
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One hilarious way to think about it is to consider how strong women's in-group bias is, combined with the universal truth that feminists constantly project. The entire idea of Patriarchy Theory is projection. I'll explain. Like you said, women have a strong in-group bias, whereas men have a strong out-group bias. So women are predisposed to prioritize other women over men, while men are predisposed to protect women above themselves and other men. That make sense, considering where we came from b…
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:48 PM
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Right? Feminism has truly brainwashed our society to an absurd degree. Everyone is convinced that men are always dominant over women, because that's the narrative. But ask anyone, and I bet they'd respond the same, that most of the couples they know have a woman who domineers the man to some degree.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:39 PM
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That whole comment is such a joke. She's proving that women are oppressed by saying that women...do things to make their husbands happy? That women...care about their husband's feelings? Yikes. $10 says even in her anecdotal evidence, the husbands in question also changed things about themselves to suit the marriage, and do things to make their wives happy, and are cautious about their wives' feelings. This is just a classic case of a feminist ignoring half of the picture because it doesn't suit…
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:36 PM
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And TwoX is not only not banned, not only not quarantined, but is a default sub. This is a hill I am willing to die on. TwoX is the most problematic subreddit on all of reddit. It might not be as misandrist as FDS. But FDS is at least a niche subreddit which a user has to be aware of beforehand in order to find. TwoX, on the other hand, is considered good enough by the reddit admins that they leave it as a default subreddit. So any time a new user joins reddit, their frontpage will have posts fr…
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:18 PM
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It's so pathetic when someone's post history is just 100% comments on a sub they clearly disagree with. They'll occasionally play the "hey, I'm a supporter of men's rights. I just disagree with this one post in particular!" But then you look at their post history. And literally every comment is in this sub, and is antagonistic toward the meat of the post. And you'll see such people claim that they are against such-and-such in principle, but aren't against men's rights. But again, you'll never se…
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:15 PM
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Women have a subreddit where they constantly bitch about how men are awful? Not banned, but instead is promoted to default sub, so that all new users to the site are funneled directly into those posts. Men have a subreddit where they bitch about the problems caused by feminism (not women)? Shut it down! That's clearly sexist!!!
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:11 PM
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"I was drunk/high/etc" is not a get out of jail free card. It depends on what your goal gender is I guess. Personally I don't give two shits about "holding people accountable" if the result is similar or worse behavior. Prison is NOT a healing place for people with addiction or mental health issues. But if your goal is to make their life worse, and by extension harm their community, then that's definitely the move.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:58 AM
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Women are more likely to be victims of sexual violence That is debatable, considering the unreliable nature of such statistics. Many men don't feel comfortable reporting when they have been sexually assaulted, because men are not taken seriously as victims. And many statistics only consider an action "rape" if it's forced penetration, not forced envelopment. So these statistics are continually skewed and inaccurate A women's worth is tied to her appearance more so than a man's Completely subject…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 10:50 PM
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What the fuck is this response? If a doctor did a full work-up on you, would "engaging the discussion in good faith" show up as an allergy?
/r/MensRights03/08/21 10:44 PM
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Great points all around. I want to highlight two of the things discussed. Gender roles were designed by men This is how you know the other person isn't looking to discuss this in good faith. Gender roles were decided by society/humanity as a whole. There's no other way to put it. If gender roles were decided by men, then how were they already considered "in charge" enough to come up with those gender roles? It's a self-defeating, circular argument. Men are in charge because they put themselves i…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 10:44 PM
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Good on you. It's so frustrating when people pull that shit. They ignore all the points you make, and either fixate on some detail you got wrong (which has no bearing on the point being made), or they shift to discussing new points. Good on you for not arguing on their terms.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 10:35 PM
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You joke, but there was another post on AskReddit today, asking women what they wish was as acceptable for them to do as it is for men. The top response when I read the thread was "being able to pee on a tree." I laughed out loud. The top response for something women wish they were able to do which men can do is...fucking peeing standing up. If that doesn't sum up how privileged women are, I don't know what does. Men can name all sorts of legal and social disadvantages they face due to sexism. B…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 10:32 PM
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The other response is a pretty good explanation of what I was talking about. Taken to the extreme, one partner being dominant over the other would be considered abuse. But that doesn't mean that any amount of disparity in "power", for lack of a better term, indicates abuse. It's just fairly common to look at a couple and have it be obvious that one of them is "in charge" to some degree. Usually, I'd say it's almost entirely due to their personalities, rather than any kind of "rules" being enforc…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 10:28 PM
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The prospect of a world where men outnumber women frankly terrifies me Oh, cry me a river. Women outnumber men right now, and men have to deal with that. Politicians constantly pander to women, because they make up a larger percentage of voters. Men constantly have to deal with women being pandered to at the expense of men. But this dumbass is terrified of the roles being reversed? The lack of self-awareness is astounding. She is terrified of something other people are currently dealing with, wi…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 07:00 PM
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Yep. People really need to learn that what you hear about is not the same thing as what is happening. And I don't meant that in reference to hearing about something which didn't actually happen. I mean the opposite, where you don't hear about things which are happening. If 100% of the stories you hear about rape are male-on-female, that could indicate that 100% of rapes are male-on-female, or it could mean that the female-on-male rapes are being ignored in favor of pushing an agenda. The sooner …
/r/MensRights03/08/21 06:57 PM
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But in the household the man is usually in charge Maybe according to your anecdotal evidence or fictionalized worldview, sure. But if I am looking at my anecdotal evidence, I don't know a single couple where the man is the dominant one in the relationship. I know many couples where they are truly equal partners. And I know many other couples where the woman is clearly the one wearing the pants, and the man is usually just along for the ride. I don't know a single couple where the man is "in char…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 06:53 PM
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What an unnecessarily hostile comment. First of all, men are not in charge of everything. Even if every single politician and CEO were a man (which is not true by a long shot), that would still be a very small percentage of men running things. It would have no impact on the average man. Sharing a gender with the people in charge does not mean you are in charge. Especially when you consider that women account for a larger voting bloc than men, and politicians pander to their constituency. So even…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 06:50 PM
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You didn't read my comment very carefully. I explicitly acknowledged the difference between a feminist commenting vs. a comment which reflects feminism. I acknowledged that for a subreddit called AskFeminists, it makes 100% sense to require that all top-level responses come from feminists. What I disagree with is the second rule they have, which is that all top-level responses must reflect feminism itself. That's the echo chamber part. Direct responses to the OP (all top level comments, that ans…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 02:45 PM
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I mean, if nothing else, I think the rule that every top-level response must reflect a feminist viewpoint is shit. For a subreddit called AskFeminists, it's reasonable to enforce the rule that top-level responses must come from feminists. But enforcing that those comments must reflect feminism itself is shit. It's basically enforcing an echo chamber circlejerk. Let's say you are a feminist. That doesn't mean you will agree with feminism on absolutely everything. You might agree that feminism is …
/r/MensRights02/08/21 04:33 PM
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I understand that sometimes, a person legitimately wants to be left alone. So I'm not advocating for just harassing people. But it's crazy to me how people like the one you are responding to seem to think that it's normal for everyone to keep their head down in public and never speak to a stranger. How do these people think they were born? Some people meet their eventual life partner through a friend, or through school or church, or something like that. But a lot of people just meet someone in p…
/r/MensRights01/08/21 03:18 PM
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Yep. And/or men don't bring up when this happens to them, either because they are frustrated but know that no one will care, or because it didn't phase them at all, so it never registers for them to complain about it. People really need to learn that there's a difference between what you hear about and what is actually happening. Just because you hear about men harassing women far more often than you hear about women harassing men doesn't mean that the former is actually that much more common. I…
/r/MensRights01/08/21 03:15 PM
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Yep. Feminists constantly confuse "the majority of women have experienced X coming from a man" with "the majority of men are guilty of X".
/r/MensRights01/08/21 03:10 PM
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I saw a TikTok the other day where the """""joke""""" was nothing more than "women smart, men dumb". It's crazy to me how misandry is so widely accepted. The video was "women's brains" with some song playing which was just rapidfire lyrics, with the point being that their brains are working overtime. And then it said "men's brains", and it played the audio from that little kid saying, "Have you ever had a dream like..." There's literally nothing to the """""joke""""" other than "women smart, men…
/r/MensRights01/08/21 03:08 PM
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Right? It's frustrating how people will choose to believe the most insane things rather than admit that misandry is a real problem. When faced with a user being openly misandrist, they would rather believe that a user moderates hundreds of subs, spends all their time on reddit, and constantly pushes an anti-male agenda...all for the sake of trolling. Because that's apparently more believable than "people exist who are sexist against men." And it's not limited to misandry, either. People are real…
/r/MensRights01/08/21 02:58 PM
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As usual, I think the best way to demonstrate how bad misandry is would be to compare it to racism, rather than flipping the genders as some people like to do. Substitute black people for men, and white people for women. Imagine a work environment where white people talking to one another is fine, white people talking to black people is fine, and black people talking to black people is fine. But if a black person approaches a white person to talk to them, people immediately become uncomfortable …
/r/MensRights31/07/21 02:30 PM
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I also have an example, and it was even less than awkward flirting. There was a post at the very top of TwoXChromosomes, which was a woman telling a story of something which had happened to her that day. The title of the post was something like, "Why are women always expected to be available to everyone". I was curious what that meant, so I clicked in, despite knowing it would probably be stupid. And it was. Long story short, "be available to everyone" means sometimes when you are in public, peo…
/r/MensRights31/07/21 02:28 PM
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Right. That's the way I've been putting it for a while. It's not that women are inherently more prone to bad behavior. It's that we live in a system which suppresses that kind of bad behavior in men while actively making it easier for women. So no shit more women exhibit that bad behavior than men. Even if men and women were identical in nature, we'd see more women doing these things, because they are able to. I usually bring it up with regards to domestic violence. The assumption is always that…
/r/MensRights31/07/21 02:20 PM
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Right? Imagine you are in a room with a sledge hammer, no exits, and one other person in the room with you. You say that you want to go outside, and the other person says, "Sure, do that". But every time you go to pick up the sledge hammer, the other person stops you and says, "Whoa, what the heck? Why do you keep trying to break the wall down? I thought you said you wanted to go outside. So go do that, instead of breaking the wall down instead." That's basically what keeps happening here. Femin…
/r/MensRights30/07/21 08:36 PM
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And it's not just that you can prove men are discriminated against by the system. It's even more than that, because those same statistics constantly get brought up to prove systemic racism against black people. Black people get 10% longer prison sentences than white people? That proves systemic racism. Men get 60% longer prison sentences than women? crickets. Black people are 2.5 times as likely as white people to be killed by the police? That proves systemic racism. Men are 24 times as likely a…
/r/MensRights30/07/21 03:30 PM
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Yeah, seriously. Sorry for contributing to a generalization. But I have found that to be true as well. When I discuss things with men I know, sometimes we agree, and other times we disagree. When we disagree, it sometimes ends up being a long back-and-forth, with respect coming from both of us, just getting to the bottom of why we each feel the way we do. Rarely do either of us change the other's mind, but we have a better understanding of why someone would feel the way the other does, rather th…
/r/MensRights28/07/21 02:46 PM
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Right? "TwoX has a lot of overlap with subreddits dedicated to hating men." "Oh yeah? Well MensRights has a lot of overlap with subreddits expressing political stances I personally disagree with!!!"
/r/MensRights28/07/21 02:43 PM
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It really is hilarious how hard people try to make stay-at-home wife sound like a hard job. When you have children, it's another thing, though I still think it's silly to imply that dropping off and picking up your kids from school really qualifies as some big responsibility. But when we are talking about a couple without children, it's fucking laughable. People who live alone have to work a job and keep up with their home. And I would wager that a significant amount of men who work full-time jo…
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:24 AM
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What's the point, though? Do you not understand how it's inherently antagonistic to point a statistic like this out unless you have a good reason to? If you were hanging out with someone, and they told you, "Hey, did you know that black people are primarily responsible for <X, Y, and Z bad things>," wouldn't you raise an eye brow at least? Technically, all they did was state some facts, but wouldn't you feel like it's racist to just chit chat about how black people do all these bad things?
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:15 AM
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It's a default subreddit. It's bad enough that it hasn't been banned or quarantined. But it's a million times worse that it hasn't even been removed as a default subreddit. If you are a new user to the site, posts from TwoX will show up on your front page feed by default. And in your subreddit bar, TwoX is one of the first 10 or so subreddit links. It's a complete travesty. Reddit will ban subreddits for hate speech, but not only does TwoX manage to evade being banned for blatant misandry, it re…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 04:17 PM
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Absolutely the latter. I consistently see people get accused of misogyny for absolutely nothing. And very often, the accuser will be upvoted, and the accused will be downvoted, suggesting that most people who read the exchange agree that it was misogyny. When you see situations like that so frequently, it makes it really hard to take posts like this seriously. When a woman goes on about all the misogyny on reddit, I imagine a bunch of situations like I just described, where a man did nothing wro…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 04:13 PM
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But it's a much bigger problem than FDS, in my opinion. FDS is at least a niche subreddit which a user has to know about in order to go there. TwoX is a fucking default subreddit. So every day, when the site gains new users, those users are immediately funneled into TwoX, where they can see the blatant misandry on display. I generally think no subreddits should be banned, except for extreme circumstances, such as consistent doxxing of people, or other such things which need to be ended immediate…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 04:11 PM
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For real. I have no problem with a subreddit dedicated to a subset of people. Women having a subreddit to discuss things which apply solely or mostly to women? I think that's great. It's the same concept as ladies night. It's a nice environment to discuss things which most likely apply to everyone involved, which are harder to bring up under normal circumstances, because these things would likely not apply to many people involved. All of that is fine. And that seems to be what TwoX originally wa…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 04:06 PM
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So many AITA posts follow that pattern. OP will write up something like 3 paragraphs, where only the third includes any details about the conflict in question. The first two are dedicated entirely to ranting about how the other person in the story is awful all the time. It's complete bullshit which accomplishes nothing but convincing the readers to hate the other person before the conflict is even brought up. And people consistently let that shit slide. It's so pathetic. If you have known someon…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 04:01 PM
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Bad thing happens to white person = life sucks sometimes, shit happens Bad thing happens to black person = racism, guaranteed How I loathe identity politics.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 02:47 PM
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And because I already brought it up before, same thing goes with police killings. The BLM messaging has been so strong that if you ask the average person, I am sure they would believe that a black woman is in more danger than a white man. But it's not true. A white man is roughly 10 times as likely to be killed by the police when compared with a black woman. Like you said, gender trumps race.
/r/MensRights26/07/21 04:17 PM
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It's crazy how many people seem to think the philosophy is actually: "Innocent until proven guilty...unless the crime in question is really hard to prove definitively, in which case, guilty until proven innocent"
/r/MensRights26/07/21 03:32 PM
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Sorry for how harsh it sounds, but too bad. It's the lesser of two evils. Our entire legal system, and by extension, our society, are built on the philosophy that it's better for 10 guilty people to run free than for a single innocent person to be imprisoned. So if a crime is currently very difficult to prove, I'm sorry, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. It sucks, and I agree completely, but it's better than the alternative. Sometimes, we have to go with the lesser of two evils, despi…
/r/MensRights26/07/21 03:31 PM
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Yep. Some individuals are more principled than others. So any given person might actually be such a great person, that no matter the circumstances, they stand by their principles. But when it comes to groups, it's all about what benefits them. When a group is in power, they are much less likely to be for free speech, because that only benefits their opposition. Whenever a political group is currently on the outs, that's when they will be the side pushing hard for free speech, because they need i…
/r/MensRights26/07/21 03:25 PM
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Yeah. The way I've thought of it for a while is that neither side of the political spectrum is friendly to men's rights, but the conservative end at least isn't actively hostile. It's easy to see liberal feminist after liberal feminist, and build a false dichotomy in your head, where liberal is against men's rights, and conservative is for men's rights. But it's not true. Conservatives aren't pushing for men's rights. But it's still true that they are less nakedly hostile toward men's rights, be…
/r/MensRights26/07/21 03:22 PM
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It's crazy how many people think that the legal philosophy is actually: "Innocent until proven guilty...unless the crime is difficult to prove, in which case, just assume guilt without any evidence" I'm sorry that rape is basically impossible to prove without a confession. I truly am. That absolutely sucks. To be the victim of a crime, and knowing in your heart that there's no chance it will be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, and therefore the fucking scumbag who did it will walk free. That s…
/r/MensRights26/07/21 03:20 PM
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It's pretty telling that, for all the times I have heard "those aren't real feminists", I have never once seen someone point out the so-called "real feminists", other than indicating themselves, the random person on the internet that they are. Karen's response does a great job of pointing out that some random person on reddit is not as impactful all this long list of prominent feminists who can actually get shit done. But even if we set that aside, shouldn't these people be able to point to "rea…
/r/MensRights26/07/21 03:15 PM
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Yep, that's a very consistent pattern. Instances where black people are disadvantaged compared to white people consistently have analogues where men are disadvantaged compared to women in the exact same way. Yet society consistently focuses on these examples as racism, and ignore the sexism. One of the most obvious and recent cases was George Floyd. A black man is killed by the police, and instantly, we have people protesting racism, but not a peep about sexism. These people would consistently b…
/r/MensRights25/07/21 07:58 PM
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It's absolutely hilarious how many middle-class white people will spend all day yelling "Black Lives Matter", and then turn right around and assume that if someone is arguing against anti-white racism, they must be white.
/r/MensRights25/07/21 07:48 PM
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It's the same shit as always. I find that people are generally the same across different groups, but what society allows makes all the difference. Statistics show that lesbian couples have the highest rates of domestic violence, and gay male couples have the lowest. I don't believe that women are inherently more violent than men. But instead, I think the issue is that society tolerates violence from women, but not from men. Boys have it drilled into them from a young age that hitting is wrong. G…
/r/MensRights25/07/21 07:39 PM
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You don't even feel the tiniest bit of irony while saying that?
/r/MensRights25/07/21 04:52 PM
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Yep. Everyone's takeaway from this should be that, if you are a man, any generous action from you can be used against you in the future, to compel you to repeat that generous action for a long, long time. Don't ever buy someone a gift, or the court might force you to continue buying gifts. Don't ever cover someone's rent, or the court might force you to continue covering their rent. And so on.
/r/MensRights25/07/21 01:01 AM
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looks through your comment history to find all the times you tooootally called /r/feminism out for talking about toxic masculinity Oh...there are none. It's just you constantly going against the grain on this subreddit. What a surprise.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 03:30 AM
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Unfortunately, the reason which is commonly given is that, if false accusers faced harsh punishment, it would deter other false accusers from coming forward. It's frustrating, though, because this logic isn't applied to any other crime. But mysteriously, when a crime is committed almost entirely by women, this kind of policy is put in place.
/r/MensRights23/07/21 09:08 PM
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I have issues with alimony, and I think a hypothetical example would be the best way to illustrate. Say we have Alice and Bob. In the year 2000, Alice earns $20,000 per year, and Bob earns $1,000,000 per year. For simplicity, we'll say each year these people continue working, their income increases by 10% of the starting value. So each year which passes, Alice will earn $2,000 more than the previous year, and Bob will earn $100,000 more than the previous year. If they stay single, then in the ye…
/r/MensRights22/07/21 07:57 PM
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Imagine if this shit worked the same for everything else, not just money. You're married to someone and have sex all the time. You divorce? Court mandates that your ex must visit you a few times per week to fuck you, so you can maintain your lifestyle. You're married to a professional chef who cooks for you constantly. You divorce? Court mandates that your ex must deliver home-cooked meals to you multiple times per week. You're married to a massage therapist who performs free work on you every m…
/r/MensRights22/07/21 07:18 PM
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It's exactly how it sounds. A man has no say when it comes to reproduction. If he and a woman become pregnant, it is entirely the woman's decision what happens next. If they disagree, the man is fucked over. If he wants the baby and she doesn't want the baby, then his child is taken away from him when she gets an abortion. Granted, this situation is the lesser of two evils. Because I agree it would be worse to let a man compel a woman to carry through with the pregnancy solely for his sake, when…
/r/MensRights21/07/21 08:24 PM
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Pretty much. Any given lukewarm take will hit the front page on that subreddit if it's dripping in hatred for men. The most pointless topics hit the top of that sub, and you know it's not that they find the topic that interesting. They are just drooling at the opportunity to talk shit about men.
/r/MensRights21/07/21 07:57 PM
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Kind of a tangent, but it's still so frustrating how people ignore how sexualized many men are in popular movies. There was yet another instance recently of "objectification of women in movies is misogynistic >:[" when Scarlett Johannsen spoke out about Black Widow as a character. But this completely ignores how many fucking yoked dudes exist in the MCU, all of which have had moments designed for no purpose other than showing off how sexy they are. An attractive woman is cast in a role for which…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:54 PM
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Yep. That's a general thing which bothers me. I don't like it when people say things like, "X made Y cry". That's impossible. Y chose to cry in response to something X said or did. That's not the same as X making Y cry. I see that kind of logic used a lot, but especially on subs like AmITheAsshole. OP will have said or done something which I personally feel to be innocuous. But the thread will be filled with people calling OP an asshole for "making a woman cry". And every time, all I can think i…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:50 PM
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Classic. The top comment is claiming it's a compatibility issue. Can you fucking imagine if the post had been reversed? Imagine a woman describing her boyfriend who literally does nothing but browse content about hating women, building more and more of a hatred for women, constantly expecting OP to admit that women are terrible, etc etc. There is no way in hell the top comment would be, "Eh, doesn't seem like you two are compatible". It would be about how the man is a huge piece of shit. But app…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:43 PM
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It's as if they all expect women to set the rules and men to follow them. That's precisely it. AITA is one of the most misandrist subs on reddit, and that's saying a lot. They consistently make it clear that however a woman feels is important, and it's a man's job to respond within those parameters. If a boyfriend gets pissed at his girlfriend for something she did, they will vote him the asshole for getting pissed. But if a girlfriend gets pissed at her boyfriend for something he did, they take…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:37 PM
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Ally: "Boobs aren't sexual and dicks are, and that's why it was okay for me to take my top off, but not okay for you to take your trunks off." Also Ally: "My tits being out will most likely result in boners." Stupid and hypocritical.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:34 PM
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Great take. Thank you for fighting the good fight. Unfortunately, AITA is too far gone for people like you or me to make a difference. The gender bias over there is insane. They'll vote a man the asshole for very, very little. Meanwhile, plenty of times, a woman will behave horribly, and the thread will be filled with people inventing this or that potential explanation for why a person could be driven to her actions. There's just no saving them. It's a subreddit with far more women than men. And…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:33 PM
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I agree with the point you have made, that when men speak out about being harassed, feminists dismiss it as "not real harassment". But even if you set that aside, there's still a good point to be made here. Men aren't taught their entire lives to view themselves as victims because of their gender. As a result, there are probably many, many cases where women sexually harass men, but they brush it off, and it doesn't really bother them. Because as a man, it's just a thing. It's a thing which happe…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:17 PM
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Fuck the guy who robbed me (hypothetically) but if I went down every back alley I could in order to get robbed and then whine about it like I couldn't anticipate that I'd just get laughed off. Agreed. People (feminists especially) really need to learn that there is a massive middle ground between victim blaming and "you have done absolutely nothing wrong ever". If a friend tells you that they were mugged while walking home from work, and you offer no sympathy, immediately chastising them for wal…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:12 PM
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"I got tired of abusing my power to remove all the comments I disagree with (they were calling out sexism, how dare they). So I just locked the thread. It's too exhausting to abuse my power for that long."
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:06 PM
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This doesn't apply to me personally, but one example which comes to mind is Scotland, where there is a law that any public board must consist of at least 50% women. They didn't define it so that it must be exactly 50/50. Nor did they define it so that it must be anywhere from 40/60 to 60/40. Nothing like that, ensuring that men and women are mostly equal. Nope. Just "at least 50% women". So yeah, according to Scotland's government, if a public board consists of 49% women and 51% men, that is con…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:05 PM
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That sounds sexist, but it ends up being true a lot of the time. If I had to speculate as to why, it would be that hateful attitudes are tolerated from women moreso than from men. I don't think women are more likely to have such hateful attitudes. But I think because there is more tolerance, fewer women feel the need to suppress those thoughts and grow as a person, whereas men are forced to due to lack of tolerance. For example, say you have 100 men and 100 women. And they are identical. 10 men …
/r/MensRights19/07/21 03:59 PM
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UN: upgrades women from having a day dedicated to them, to having a month dedicated to them Also UN: downgrades men from having a day dedicated to them, to having nothing Also UN: blames COVID on the patriarchy UN Women: exists UN Men: doesn't exist Society: Ugh, why does everyone hate women so much??!?!?
/r/MensRights19/07/21 03:44 PM
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"It was getting tiring removing every comment which rightly pointed this post out as sexist. I'm bored of abusing my power to remove comments I disagree with, so I'm locking the thread now." Mods are cancer
/r/MensRights18/07/21 04:36 PM
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Right? It's just the continuing demonization of everything men are. Men are biologically programmed to be attracted to youth. Because we are a civilized culture, we have overridden biology to a degree with rules, such as "under 18 isn't okay, though, because of power dynamics." But that rule doesn't change biology. It doesn't stop men from being attracted to youth. It just means that we agree not to exercise our attraction in certain cases, because of reasons other than "is it normal to be attra…
/r/MensRights18/07/21 04:30 PM
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Every time I am stabbed to death by a criminal, as I am lying on my back, bleeding to death, I stop and count my blessings, because at least it was another man who killed me, and not a woman. It would be truly terrible if a woman killed me, because that would be sexism. But thank god it was just another man, so I don't have to worry about being the victim of sexism while I'm dying.
/r/MensRights17/07/21 02:54 PM
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Their comment history is basically nothing but this subreddit, and it's constantly disagreement with the users of this sub. The absolute balls on this user to pretend their account is anything other than trolling this sub.
/r/MensRights15/07/21 02:15 PM
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Yeah. It's hard not to see it more and more once you notice it. I mean, if nothing else, consider how the average person has been absolutely convinced that for all of human history prior to the modern era, women were completely disadvantaged and discriminated against in every conceivable way, and men were constantly privileged. It's just a lie. Feminism has completely brainwashed people into believing a lie about millennia of human history. People completely ignore that at any point in history w…
/r/MensRights15/07/21 01:12 PM
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and I have no doubt that you go to feminist subreddits to remind them that men are not to blame for women's issues, right?
/r/MensRights14/07/21 06:41 PM
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If anyone is on the fence about this topic of historical revisionism, but is fully in agreement that men face many disadvantages today which society refuses to acknowledge, I have the following to say... First, consider the modern era, and how men face discrimination in many ways, and women are privileged in many ways. Second, consider the current prevailing social narrative, which is that women are uniquely disadvantaged, and that men oppress women because of misogyny. Third, consider what peop…
/r/MensRights14/07/21 06:40 PM
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No, it's a screen shot of text, ostensibly posted by a man, defending the idea of women being afraid of all men. The whole thread is a gold mine for MenKampf. Basically every comment you can find written by a radfem could have gender swapped out for race, and they would instantly change their tune.
/r/MensRights13/07/21 08:31 PM
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At least here, there are enough people around to stop such trolls from having too much of a presence. Unfortunately, I don't think TumblrInAction will be so lucky. There's been a huge problem with radfems brigading that sub recently. So far, the mods have made it clear that they refuse to ban people for different opinions. So the sub is slowly being taken over. More and more with each thread touching on gender topics, they have been having a bigger and bigger presence. There is a post on its fro…
/r/MensRights13/07/21 07:57 PM
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Ignore that troll. Even if they had a valid point about that one example, it's one example. The broader point remains the same. This person is just an asshole, trying to discredit a legitimate point by attacking what they feel is the weakest example demonstrating the point. Fuck-head tactic.
/r/MensRights13/07/21 07:27 PM
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Yeah, and it's not hard to see why. Look at the modern day as an example. Men are disadvantaged in many, many ways, both legal and social. Yet the prevailing narrative is that women are oppressed by men, and that men are distinctly privileged. Consider how people 100 years in the future will talk about our present day and age, and then consider what you hear when people talk about the 1950s, or the witch trials, etc.
/r/MensRights13/07/21 04:50 PM
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The third one is so irritating (not that the others aren't as well). Such a classic case of building a strawman and proceeding to beat it up. She's the one who chose that particular list of insults. And then proceeds to act like that means anything. It reminds me of when Robin DeAngelo admits that she is so racist she feels uncomfortable around black people, and then proceeds to try to use that as proof that all white people are racist.
/r/MensRights12/07/21 02:40 PM
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Holy hell, that's embarrassing. People try so hard to make it sound like stay-at-home partner is the hardest job in the world. How sad that they could stack the deck so hard against you, and you still end up doing more work in a week. Because contrary to what these people try to convince others of, being a stay-at-home partner isn't that hard. At various points in my life, I have had to put in various amounts of effort when it comes to running a home. I have lived alone, so I have lived for a ti…
/r/MensRights12/07/21 02:34 PM
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The issue is reddit admins, imo. I agree (I hope, at least) that TwoX is not representative of the average woman in real life. But the issue is that it's a default subreddit, and the name implies nothing more than "women". It's not a niche subreddit about women who believe in X. Nor for people who hate Y. It's just a subreddit for women to talk about things which are relevant to women. And it's a default subreddit. Both of these things suggest to the world that the contents of the subreddit shou…
/r/MensRights11/07/21 02:55 PM
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I know that's a hot-button issue right now, and people have firmly decided their camp. So as a result, if you even so much as hint that you don't think the OnlyFans trend is a good thing for society, people will immediately think you are a huge misogynist before you even get a chance to explain what you think. But that being said, god damn, there might not be a better example of female privilege. It's just such a concise thing. There might be stronger instances of female privilege. But those mig…
/r/MensRights11/07/21 02:51 PM
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Great analogies, but in my experience, analogies are only a good way of explaining things to people who already agree with you, or have a very open mind. People who already disagree with you will only respond with, "That's not a fair analogy, a better one would be..." and then proceed to compare feminism to something more favorable to their argument. The issue with analogies is that they don't prove anything, they only illuminate a point. If you are explaining something to a child, and they are …
/r/MensRights11/07/21 02:45 PM
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first wave feminism was about voting rights voting rights without the responsibilities associated with those rights for men second wave feminism was about the right to work the right to work without the expectation of being the breadwinner and paying on dates, etc etc You aren't proving the point you think you are proving. No one denied that feminism has earned rights for women which they should have. People here agree that women should be allowed to vote and work. The point people are making is…
/r/MensRights10/07/21 03:07 PM
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The issue I take is when someone is clearly just quote farming. You'll see someone who regularly posts on feminists subreddits make a post here, challenging people to explain why they dislike feminism. People in the comments will do so, very thoroughly. But in response to any given comment, OP will either go radio silent, or will just throw out a one-line attempt at refutation, leading to the MRA providing even more arguments and evidence. At a point, it becomes clear that the feminist is not he…
/r/MensRights08/07/21 05:27 PM
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If you missed it, they have been pretty explicit that they don't care about misandry or anti-white racism. A couple of years ago, they updated their content policy, and the statement about hate speech was something like "communities based around hate speech directed at those in the demographic minority will be banned". Instead of just saying hate speech will be banned, it was specifically hate speech directed at "the demographic minority". People saw through that right away, recognizing that it …
/r/MensRights03/07/21 05:03 PM
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Right? How quickly their tune will change as soon as the target changes. Suddenly we aren't responsible for other people's mental health? I guess I am literally never respecting preferred pronouns ever again. Who cares if I call a transman "she" and she ends up killing herself afterward? I'm not responsible for anyone else's mental health, right?
/r/MensRights03/07/21 03:48 PM
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Nobody asked them to care about us, either. OP wasn't posting in response to people begging her, personally, to cater to men. She was bitching about the fact that there have been some posts on reddit recently which dare to empathize with men who are struggling. She's such a self-centered asshole that seeing men get attention for once felt like a personal attack to her, so she had to make a whole post saying it's not her job to care.
/r/MensRights03/07/21 03:46 PM
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Well also, the premise is that emotional labor is something only women perform. This claim pretends that every woman performs it, which is not even remotely true. And it pretends that no men perform it, which is also far from the truth. I agree that claiming emotional labor as something on par with your partner working a full-time job is a fucking joke. But even if we went that far, it still shouldn't be claimed as something women do and men don't. I've known plenty of couples where the woman wa…
/r/MensRights03/07/21 03:43 PM
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Man, it really is insane how frequently TwoX has highly upvoted posts which serve as nothing but an opportunity to bitch about how men suck. And yet it continues to be a default subreddit. Not only does reddit not find this subreddit sexist enough to ban it, but they continue to promote it as a solid example of the content you can find on reddit. It's fucking shameful how accepting people are of misandry.
/r/MensRights03/07/21 03:40 PM
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Yeah, seconded. Someone who isn't open to their mind being changed is not worth arguing with, unless you have an audience, because at that point, the intention of the debate is to convince the audience that your arguments have more merit. But if you are talking to someone who you know and trust is open to having their mind changed? 100%, I think the best course of action is to recommend they watch Cassie's documentary. You can still have a discussion with them after-the-fact, and to weigh in wit…
/r/MensRights29/06/21 09:27 PM
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It's a long watch, but I would recommend watching this video, as the first speaker (and to a lesser degree, the second speaker) does an incredible job at breaking down how you speaking to defend yourself is never a good idea.
/r/MensRights27/06/21 06:44 PM
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Right. The way I've always thought of it is that these kinds of government decisions are like putting a loaded gun into the hand of each woman, pointed at the head of the nearest man. Even if 99+% of women are good and decent people who would never pull the trigger, there are still some who will. So putting a loaded gun into each of their hands is incredibly dangerous.
/r/MensRights27/06/21 06:43 PM
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Yep. It would be super easy for them to be corrupt even if they had oversight. Half the subreddits on this site have at least one rule which is so vaguely written that it allows the mods to essentially remove/ban anything they want, and claim that it's because it broke that vague rule. For example, the civility rule on AITA. People can be extremely harsh to the OP of one thread, but then in a separate thread, someone can say something much less bad about a person who isn't even the OP (and there…
/r/MensRights26/06/21 10:57 PM
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Yeah, the frequently deleted thing is a complete sham. First of all, how frequent is too frequent? It's entirely up to the mods' discretion, rather than a clearly defined rule which the mods enforce. But moving past that, once something has been determined to be posted too frequently by the mod team, they're just going to lock that topic away in their head as "delete on sight". If those posts are getting deleted, then by definition, that topic isn't posted too frequently, because it literally ne…
/r/MensRights26/06/21 10:36 PM
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This post is a person telling a story of something which happened to them, with people chiming in to tell stories of things which have happened to them. What a fucking asshole you are to call that "misinformation".
/r/MensRights24/06/21 08:33 PM
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Right. I disagree that it will be 10 times as hard for a woman to push back against feminism than for a man to do it. It will just be differently hard. Women get accused of trying to sell out their gender to pander to men. But men get called hateful bigoted misogynists. And like you said, women are very important in this fight. Even if men and women each get attacked in different ways when they push back against feminism, there's a lot more reason for the average person to hear a woman out when …
/r/MensRights24/06/21 08:29 PM
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You could always pop a quick google before you respond and demonstrate a lack of knowledge. Rachel Dolezal is a white woman who pretends to be black by having a very dark tan all of the time. There was a huge controversy a while back when people discovered that she is actually white, because for some time, she was legitimately passing as black. I was making a joke based on that. You said the guy could just "adapt" to fix his career problems. And I was jokingly arguing that the only way he could …
/r/MensRights24/06/21 02:38 PM
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Kind of a tangent, but what you highlighted is so frustrating. The concept that <50% women means misogyny, but >50% women doesn't mean misandry. It feels more and more common to see requirements laid out such that "at least 50% must be women". That just seems blatantly foolish to me. Because it's setting up the rules that 49% women and 51% men is misogynistic, but 100% women and 0% men is perfectly fine. And that's just insanity. I think if we absolutely must insist on some kind of "equity quota…
/r/MensRights24/06/21 02:34 PM
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Yep. Tale as old as time. Thing A which is hateful toward white people and/or men exists in earnest Thing B which is hateful toward black people and/or women exists ironically for the sole purpose of highlighting the problem with Thing A Thing B is banned for being hateful Thing A continues to exist
/r/MensRights24/06/21 03:49 AM
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Right? It's one of those classic cases where there's multiple levels to the stupidity. You have to be deliberately misinterpreting the data to claim that 90% of sexual assault reports are true. But even if we gave them that, and pretended that it's actually true.....do they think that proves their point? Setting aside that "90% of sexual assault reports are true" is complete bullshit, these people are arguing that it's perfectly okay for one out of ten people accused of sexual assault to be puni…
/r/MensRights24/06/21 03:43 AM
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Agreed. I can kind of understand when people say we should keep this subreddit about gender, rather than letting race seep into it. But like you said, these issues are inextricably tied. It's the same rot which causes both problems. Like you said, you can swap out female for black for gay for transgender, and it's the exact same story. You have the same people pushing identity politics, and the same resulting problems of attempting to fight past prejudice with future prejudice. So while this sub…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 11:01 PM
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Or mad that he couldn't adapt to keep himself relevant in the current job market. Well, we saw how it turned out for Rachel Dolezal, so I don't blame him for trying to adapt.
/r/MensRights23/06/21 10:54 PM
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It really is shameless. The whole twitch hot tub thing has been such a fiasco. A bunch of shameless women who know that being moderately attractive is all they need to make money off of depressed, lonely men. And twitch just keeps being okay with it, but also turns around and blames those men, as if the women don't know exactly what they are doing. The statement twitch made regarding hot tub streams is so fucking embarrassing. They actually said that it's not a streamer's fault if people find th…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 07:06 PM
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Agreed. That would be decent social commentary, and if people praised the episode purely for that aspect, ignoring gender entirely, I could give them the benefit of the doubt, and assume that they just haven't thought about how the episode might make men feel attacked. But yeah...most of the articles I found were explicitly referring to the gender commentary was what was important and insightful. They weren't pleased about the commentary of human nature. They were pleased about the commentary of…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 06:50 PM
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What a hostile interpretation of his comment. In context of his comment, he clearly said "was" because he isn't able to find work anymore, because all of the opportunities are being exclusively directed at black women in the name of being "progressive". It's not like he quit his job because he didn't like it anymore, but is still mad that other people are being hired. He's mad that he stopped being hired because of forced diversity, which resulted in him having to quit. He never said black women…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 06:06 PM
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Yeah, that's so fucked up. I hate it. As a viewer, it's increasingly frustrating how every single commercial seems to be nothing but black people. And that's not because I don't like black people. But it's because I can see straight through it. Black people are a low percentage of the population in the US, yet an alien whose only knowledge of the US came from watching commercials would be convinced that the country is something like 90% black people. And it bothers me because of people like you,…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 06:04 PM
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I'd also be curious to see some conclusive numbers about how many people who identify as trans or non-binary have others in their social circle who also identify as trans or non-binary. Is it most? Basically all? Very few? Roughly half? etc. Almost every time I hear a story on reddit from a person who is trans or non-binary, or who knows someone close to them who is one of those things, the story ends up including the detail that they aren't alone, and that someone else in that social circle als…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 05:58 PM
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It's super fucking consistent. It's just a shame to be partway through a show, and to think to yourself, "This show feels like it's bending over backward to make sure the core cast ticks every possible box...and there is a single white male character who is currently aligned with the good guys. Hmm, I wonder what's going to happen..."
/r/MensRights23/06/21 03:18 PM
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It's so frustrating that people not only tolerate it, but praise it as important social commentary. Imagine if in any given year, there were something like 10 different movies which focused on a black person being a low-life thug. Imagine that people not only don't call this terribly racist, but instead say that it's necessary social commentary, because innocent people are victimized by thugs, and therefore we need to call this behavior out, so that we can move forward as a society. It would be …
/r/MensRights23/06/21 02:48 PM
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Seriously. I hate identity politics for many reasons, many of which are far more serious than television. But god damn it, I fucking love television and movies. And like you, it bugs the hell out of me how modern entertainment has been absolutely ruined by identity politics. So many plots are ruined by the casting alone. Because once you can identify that a show or movie leans into woke politics, you can immediately guess who is going to turn out to be a secret bad guy (surprise, the only straig…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 02:42 PM
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Here's an analogy which is certain to get feminists frothing at the mouth at the audacity of comparing something as serious as abortion to something mundane. But hey, comparisons are not equations. They're about highlighting similarities in order to illustrate a point. And I have a point I want illustrated. One time in college, I was living with a few roommates. I'm big on decoration. In general, I'm big on making your home environment as perfect as possible, because you spend a lot of time ther…
/r/MensRights21/06/21 06:52 PM
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Lots of good points all around. The one which resonated with me the most, though, is the part about feelings over facts, and the circular reasoning involved there. That's such a big one for me. I fucking hate it when society accepts "women feel less safe than men" as if that means absolutely anything. Like you said, it's pretty circular in nature. Women decide that they are less safe than men, whether true or not. So some of them devise strategies like this, which might or might not be necessary…
/r/MensRights21/06/21 06:38 PM
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And yet, if a male-focused subreddit went out of their way to post about how they will never ever celebrate Mother's Day, people would 100% label the subreddit misogynistic as a whole.
/r/MensRights21/06/21 01:16 AM
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Yeah, me neither. I'd still say I'm pretty moderate. There are plenty of conservative stances I strongly disagree with. But it's increasingly pathetic how people on reddit try so damn hard to insist that it's just objective fact that conservatives are evil. They make absolutely no attempt to understand the viewpoint (not the stance, but the viewpoint which leads a person to believe in that stance) of conservatives, and instead paint them as objectively evil. And /r/science is one of the more emb…
/r/MensRights20/06/21 05:09 PM
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Every day, I become more appreciative of my girlfriend. Her stance on this is pretty firm. She has huge boobs, and she knows people are going to look, whether she's showing them off or not. Regardless of if she's showing them off or not, she will catch people taking quick glances, and she will feel complimented by that. She only takes issue when someone is just being plain rude, and is blatantly staring. If she's trying to talk to someone, and they are talking to her boobs, she isn't happy. If s…
/r/MensRights20/06/21 05:04 PM
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That second screenshot is such a classic. Being buried in downvotes without a single reasonable reply. The response claims that downvotes should be the indicator that you are wrong, but that's absurd. Downvotes are the indicator that you upset people. If you upset them by being wrong, they would respond, explaining why you are wrong. You'd likely have 10 different responses, all saying the same exact thing, as if they are the only one saying it. But you have no responses, because they have no co…
/r/MensRights20/06/21 05:00 PM
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You mean you don't like having daily mod-pinned posts about how it's scientifically proven that conservative bad?!
/r/MensRights20/06/21 01:12 AM
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This shit is maddening. I'm so tired of being told that I need to sit out certain conversations, because as such-and-such person, I don't know what it's like to be a different kind of person. But then to have those same people pretend that they know what it's like to be a person in my position. It's a two-way street. No, men don't know what it's like to be a woman. The closest they can come is to be very close with a significant number of women, and to constantly talk to them about their experie…
/r/MensRights19/06/21 09:26 PM
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Agreed completely. Woman doesn't want child, man does want child is an unfortunate situation, because of biology. The woman being able to abort the child against the man's wishes sucks, but the alternative would be worse. So I chalk that up to an unfortunate side-effect of biology. But woman wants child, man does not want child is an inexcusable situation. There's no reason the man should have to pay the price of the woman's choice.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 09:23 PM
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How do you think this demonstrates a rape culture? If I got mugged and didn't know the mugger, so I was unable to provide anything useful to the police, would that prove we live in a mug culture? And to extend the analogy here, would you further agree that if I can show statistics that more muggings are committed by black people than any other race, that we, as a society should continually vilify black people as a collective for perpetuating mug culture? Do you think it would be reasonable to ai…
/r/MensRights19/06/21 09:20 PM
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Gender-based condescension. Wow, that was fucking tough. You could just call it condescension, but if you are insisting on having a word which describes the specific subset of condescension where Person A is being condescending toward Person B based purely on Person B's gender, then just call it gender-based condescension rather than implying that this behavior is purely a one-way street with men being the sole perpetrators.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 04:14 PM
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Yep. As usual, feminists are more misogynistic than anyone else ever is. What you just described is feminists ascribing agency to men, but not to women. If women are falling behind, it's not due to their own choices, or their own inadequacy, or anything like that. It's due to society holding them back. But if men are falling behind, it's due to their own choices, or their own inadequacy, or a combination of these factors. Feminists try so hard to defend women at every turn that they end up paint…
/r/MensRights18/06/21 02:49 PM
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At least they are getting downvoted, but holy fuck, it's stupid how many people are claiming this as yet another example of misogyny. Seriously. We're talking about a trope where the husband is consistently portrayed as incompetent, stupid, lazy, and all-around awful, while the wife is portrayed as a super hero who is carrying both of them on her back. And somehow, people are still convinced that this is misogyny, not misandry? Good lord, there's no better evidence that our society is biased aga…
/r/MensRights17/06/21 03:52 PM
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And it shows. Notice how prepared so many people are for this debate. There's an abundance of sources and citations to back up claims about how men are currently being discriminated against. The best this dumbass feminist has is insisting that it's obvious that women have been oppressed for millennia. It turns out that when you actively ban anyone who disagrees with you from speaking to you, your debate skills deteriorate. This subreddit allows feminists to come debate, and so the people here ar…
/r/MensRights16/06/21 11:22 PM
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This is the real response. I mean, the anti-suffragette angle is important, too. But it's baffling to me how many people have been brainwashed into thinking "women couldn't vote" is evidence of MILLENNIA of oppression. The average man got the right to vote, what, 20 years before women did? I can't remember the actual number off the top of my head. But the point is that for the longest time, only the 1% of the 1% could vote. If you were the average man or woman, you couldn't vote. Eventually, the…
/r/MensRights16/06/21 11:10 PM
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sound of crickets Man, feminists are insufferable. They come to this sub to tell us how wrong we are, and when people carefully break down how men are discriminated against with solid evidence and sources, there's either no response, or a single sentence, "not all feminists are like that."
/r/MensRights16/06/21 10:52 PM
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Wrong. Because the argument isn't "Men do X, and women do Y, and X is more important than Y, therefore men carry society". The argument is "Men are willing to do X and Y, while women are only willing to do Y, therefore men carry society". Setting aside issues of reproduction, you could delete all women from the world, and all the jobs which are currently done would continue to be done with no major changes. But if you delete all men from the world, you'd end up with a world with no garbage colle…
/r/MensRights16/06/21 10:41 PM
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It really is frustrating. At this point, we're deep enough in that even people who have never explicitly sought out feminist teaching will have absorbed much of its impact. So even a "regular" person will tend to say the kinds of things which seem like they should only come out of a stereotypical gender studies feminist's mouth. And this topic is one such example. It's just considered a given at this point that issues like domestic violence and rape are women's issue, rather than just...issues. …
/r/MensRights15/06/21 02:00 PM
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Agreed. I rolled my eyes at that being the very first item in the list as well. Obviously, it depends on some factors. If she's talking about a partner who is okay with living in a house which resembles skid row, then yeah...that's not okay. But I do find that this is a common thing. One partner has a higher-than-average standard of cleanliness, and they expect their partner to contribute equally in accomplishing that. And I tend to take the stance that the person bringing the desire should spea…
/r/MensRights15/06/21 01:52 PM
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The kind of women who live on TwoX are the kind of women who think that if they have to put in any effort into a relationship, she is basically a slave to a man. That's all this is. They're talking about relationships where each partner has their duties. But they get pissy about the fact that they, themselves, have duties. They want a free ride, but because they are expected to contribute by cleaning and/or cooking, they think that they can be described as the man's free maid, rather than a part…
/r/MensRights15/06/21 01:49 PM
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There go the goalposts. Look at them, shooting off into space.
/r/MensRights14/06/21 09:35 PM
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I'm a man, and I never see that kind of woman-bashing happen. Very rarely do I hear any of my male friends say anything bad about their female partners. When they do, it's because it's a serious, ongoing issue, and they are usually presenting it as asking for insight from their close friends, rather than venting about how much their partner frustrates them. And again, in those situations, it's always a very specific conversation about the issue, and never evolves into a group discussion such as …
/r/MensRights13/06/21 08:22 PM
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I was not aware he was on that show, but now I need to go watch it. I've only watched a handful, but they've been enjoyable. The episode with Zuby was fantastic.
/r/MensRights11/06/21 04:47 PM
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Oh, I'm well aware. It's just one of those dumpster fires I can't stop watching. I absolutely don't take it seriously. I feel terrible for anyone who posts there legitimately not knowing if they were in the wrong. Plenty of posts are pure validation. Plenty others seem fake as hell. But some people legitimately don't know if they were in the wrong or not, and are seeking outside perspective. I feel terrible for those people, because posting their story on AITA is such a mistake. Asking a subredd…
/r/MensRights11/06/21 02:30 PM
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It's a silly one, but I love shitting on AmITheAsshole, so I'll say it again here: -To get a more favorable verdict on AmITheAsshole That subreddit is nothing but man bashing day in and day out. So many stories with completely reasonable men being torn apart in the comments while a woman in the story who is so clearly in the wrong is let off the hook through all sorts of mental gymnastics. Multiple times, people have taken a post original posted by a man who was voted the asshole, swapped the ge…
/r/MensRights11/06/21 01:36 PM
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That isn't the topic. The topic is whether or not black privilege exists, and it does. Privilege isn't an all-encompassing thing. You aren't either privileged or not. As a white person you might be privileged in 20 different ways, but disadvantaged in 10 other ways. Even if being white is overall more advantageous than being black, there are still black privileges. To put it another way...there is a difference between saying "black privilege exists" versus saying "it is a privilege to be born bl…
/r/MensRights10/06/21 11:50 PM
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Right. It's this kind of sneaky hatred which bothers me more than anything. If you are talking to a specific friend, about a specific boyfriend of hers, then OP's message is perfectly admirable. If your friend is dating a man who has clearly been coddled his whole life, and who clearly seems interested in the friend for no reason other than to have a woman to take care of him, then absolutely. OP should tell her friend that it's not her responsibility to play surrogate mother for a pathetic manb…
/r/MensRights10/06/21 04:27 PM
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Exactly. Feminism is horribly hypocritical. But it's all part of defending the religion. They start with the conclusions (such as "patriarchy is the cause of all problems"), and they work backward to justify that initial conclusion. Women are causing issues for women? Well, it's not the fault of those women; they have internalized misogyny because of patriarchy teaching everyone to hate women, even other women. Men have issues? Well, those issues are caused by other men, so obviously patriarchy …
/r/MensRights10/06/21 02:24 PM
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Yep. I've frequently said that feminists treat genders like opposing teams in a sport. And they project this onto everyone else constantly. One great example of this is how people will point out that men are more likely to be the victims of random violence, and feminists will respond, "yeah, by other men." To a reasonable person, this response should be considered a non-sequitur. The gender of the attacker has no bearing on the victim. The negative impact of being more likely to be a victim isn'…
/r/MensRights09/06/21 02:58 PM
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Adding even further, such statistics ignore cases where suicide was "attempted" and then not reported. Like you said, what qualifies as a failed attempt? Is it a requirement that you are hospitalized as a result of the attempt? What's the definition? Because if the definition is wide enough to count any kind of self harm, regardless of how far from death the person is, then we enter the realm of self reporting. One person might "attempt suicide", meaning they are just crying for help. And as a r…
/r/MensRights07/06/21 07:47 PM
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It's because, as much as feminists try to argue that female sexuality is shamed, it's actually male sexuality which is shamed. Female sexuality, up until recently, was mainly ignored. It was something people weren't supposed to talk about. It wasn't lady like. You could have a man on a TV show be a womanizer. But a woman on a TV show who actively pursued sex with men would be unheard of, because you weren't supposed to acknowledge female sexuality. But I would argue that this is not the same thi…
/r/MensRights07/06/21 02:49 PM
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This is also speculation, but I would imagine we see a lot more cases of repeated attempts within women. Because men are more likely to succeed on their first attempt, they aren't alive to try again. But a woman who attempts suicide and fails has the chance to try again at some point in the future.
/r/MensRights07/06/21 02:40 PM
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I think journalism controls society's attitudes more than anything else and the stuff they get away with is horrifying. Yep. It's absolutely terrifying how effective this is, and how few people seem to realize it. So many people are absolutely convinced that the police are committing active genocide against black people, and avoiding killing literally anyone else. And it's ridiculously untrue. There was that study done a while back which asked people to identify their political leaning as libera…
/r/MensRights06/06/21 09:13 PM
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If you aren't predetermined to view this subreddit as hating women, it's pretty clear that "women change the truth to their situation" is not an indictment of all women, but rather a claim that women have this option available to them and men don't. Maybe I'm wrong and the guy actually is being sexist. But I would wager that his complaint is not "women suck", but rather "our society lets women suck and get away with it" or "our society gives women the tools to suck in a way which destroys men."
/r/MensRights06/06/21 05:05 PM
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Comments like the one you are responding to really do a good job of painting a picture of men being far behind women when it comes to social privileges. It's staggering how often I see people arguing something with regards to men which was considered wildly misogynistic with regards to women, multiple decades ago. Any time a man is objectified, people defend it by saying he was asking for it. No hint of irony. No recognition that this is the same shit people mock when it's said about women. Any …
/r/MensRights04/06/21 04:00 PM
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$10 says that person is the same kind of person who thinks men who watch hot tub streams on twitch are misogynists for objectifying women.
/r/MensRights04/06/21 03:57 PM
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It's getting more and more depressing. It really is. Everywhere I turn, I feel like I'm being ignored at best, and demonized at worst. If you try to argue, "Everyone has support expect straight white men," that kind of person would respond by saying that since you are the default, everything supports you unless it explicitly aims to support other groups (such as black people, women, gay people, etc.). This line of thinking is horrible, and it's causing a lot of depression in white men. When ever…
/r/MensRights04/06/21 03:54 PM
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And this is why I stay on this subreddit. I was so hesitant when I first came here, because like most people, I'd been conditioned to view men's rights as misogynistic, and to assume that the people who come to such a subreddit are bad people. I would dip a toe in, but was always concerned about getting sucked into a bad community. But this subreddit has consistently demonstrated that it is leagues better than any feminism subreddit. Feminists consistently act like the most minor things qualify …
/r/MensRights04/06/21 03:49 PM
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I mean, this is coming from the same people who have drank the kool-aid to such a degree that they think getting to stay in the comfort of your own home was oppression, and being forced to work a terrible job you hate was privilege. It's hard to take anyone seriously when their view of an era like the 50s was that men were privileged because job and women were oppressed because housewife. For one, as I've already alluded to, working a job isn't exactly privilege. Sure, having more options availa…
/r/MensRights03/06/21 03:37 PM
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If it's anything like AmITheAsshole, nobody will care. People have done that multiple times. Each time, there's wildly different responses to the male OP vs. the female OP, but eventually, the mods figure out that it's a repost, and they delete it. Why address the massive, blatant problem of sexism in your sub when you can just sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist, right?
/r/MensRights02/06/21 09:59 PM
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Yeah. That was such a crazy day. One of those moments where you realize that we have shifted from people hating white men but knowing they can't say it outright, to people openly hating white men without a care in the world. It's crazy that a company as big as reddit can just freely admit that it doesn't count as racism if it's against white people, and doesn't count as sexism if it's against men. No need to hide behind obvious excuses about why one thing is okay and another is not. No need to p…
/r/MensRights02/06/21 09:31 PM
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Nothing new to see here. Just women on TwoX thinking they understand men. The entire existence of feminism has been a constant wave of "Men have to listen to women to truly understand what we go through, but also, we understand perfectly what men go through, and therefore, we alone can determine the disparity between men and women." No, Karen. You don't know what it's like to be a man. You can talk shit all day about how you think it's harder to be a woman than a man, but you don't know that, be…
/r/MensRights02/06/21 02:27 PM
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"Women aren't being forced into their own deaths. How misogynistic." It really is pathetic. I don't understand how so many people fail to see the issue when it's so damn blatant. Absolutely everything is viewed through the lens of women being the victims, even when it's so overtly the opposite.
/r/MensRights31/05/21 09:18 PM
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Other comment was removed because it had a link. It's a subreddit called Female Dating Strategy. It's horribly sexist against men, but it's allowed by reddit.
/r/MensRights31/05/21 05:19 PM
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Pointing out double standards like this can wake more people up to the idea that there's not one privileged gender, and that each gender has its perks. Waking people up to that notion is a good way to start them along the path of understanding the flaws in feminist ideology. The less support feminism has, the better for men's rights, because feminism as an institution stands in the way of progress for men's rights, as they view rights as a zero-sum game, so men getting extra rights is misogyny. …
/r/MensRights30/05/21 03:56 AM
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I didn't mean to imply that it was. I was mocking the kinds of things feminists say, by suggesting that the commenter above me, as a woman, must clearly be devastated by the use of the word "female". I completely agree with the comment I replied to.
/r/MensRights30/05/21 02:36 AM
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How are you even typing right now when you should be absolutely shaking with fury at having to read the word "female". Oops, now I've said it as well. I'm so sorry. Please allow me to whip myself for the sin of being born a man, and to prostrate myself before you in an effort to reach "equality"*. *Terms and conditions may apply. Equality may not actually be equality, but rather female supremacy. But just shut up and continue being an "ally" to our cause. If you believe in gender equality, you a…
/r/MensRights29/05/21 04:41 PM
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Right, that's generally the way I feel about it. I think people are generally too sensitive to the word, because sometimes it's used, it's not bad at all, but people have been trained to view it as misogynistic no matter what. But sometimes, it is legitimately...off-putting, if nothing else. But like you, I see the opposite play out all the damn time as well. The difference is that no one calls it out, and so no one seems to notice how often it happens. It's easy to think that one thing happens …
/r/MensRights29/05/21 04:38 PM
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Yep. FDS is a pretty good piece of evidence that reddit is biased against men, and that they will ban any subreddit they suspect of misogyny, yet allow FDS to continue existing despite being nothing but misandry. But TwoX kind of trumps it in my head, simply because it's a default subreddit. Even if FDS features worse content, it's not like TwoX is that far behind. TwoX is rarely anything but man bashing. Even posts which seem to focus on the experience of being a woman moreso than directly comp…
/r/MensRights29/05/21 04:31 PM
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Relevant time to point out that I see "male" get used as a noun all the damn time, and no one ever points it out. Every single time someone uses the word "female", even if it's being used appropriately as an adjective (i.e. "We have 3 male nurses and 27 female nurses"), people lose their mind about how it's misogyny and only incels talk that way. But I very frequently see shit like an AskReddit front page post something like, "Males of Reddit, why do you blah blah blah", and I'll scour the comme…
/r/MensRights29/05/21 04:28 PM
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Feminists are anti-man. MRAs are anti-feminist. Don't play the "maybe if they would just get along" angle. This isn't two sides of the same coin which hate each other. Feminist theories and arguments are anti-man, not anti-MRA. That's orders of magnitudes worse. And no, /r/Menslib is not how the men's rights movement is supposed to be. Feeling afraid to mention the problems men face without first praying to our feminists overlords should not be the goal. Banning any criticism of an ideology whic…
/r/MensRights29/05/21 03:54 AM
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"Why do people who care about men's rights spend so much time bashing an ideology which directly stands in the way of men's rights? I just don't get it. They must hate women or something. Yeah, that's it."
/r/MensRights28/05/21 08:34 PM
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"I don't like that men are excluded in a way women never are." "He's just trying to justify his sexism towards women." Kindly fuck yourself.
/r/MensRights28/05/21 08:32 PM
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Also, even in cases when people are looking at them, and even in cases where that is due to people finding the woman attractive...so what? I can understand that kind of thing getting old over time. But I think it's one of the biggest indicators of how strong female privilege is. People finding you attractive is considered sexism. It's insane. You know how many men out there would love to have people find them attractive for a while? At the very least, it's a "grass is greener" situation, where m…
/r/MensRights28/05/21 08:29 PM
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It's pure projection, as usual. Gamma bias demonstrates that while women prefer their own (other women), men prefer the out group (women). When feminists hold power, they do everything possible to advance women at the expense of men. It's all about women, all the time. Pure bias and favoritism for their own group. Meanwhile, when men hold power, they use that power to help everybody, not just other men. But feminists project. They know damn well that when they have even the tiniest sliver of pow…
/r/MensRights25/05/21 03:10 PM
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It's literally a conspiracy theory. Every detail you hear is further proof that the conspiracy is true. Even if a detail seems to be demonstrating that the conspiracy is false, it's actual because of blah blah blah, and in actuality, proves that the conspiracy is true. Patriarchy Theory is a conspiracy theory.
/r/MensRights25/05/21 03:07 PM
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Yep. There was a strong example of this just the other day. It's possibly even what inspired your post. A woman made a post over on /r/teenagers about how false accusations of rape ruin people's lives. She predicted, correctly, that if she focused on how this ruins the lives of innocent men, people would push back against her, and call her a misogynist. So instead, she focused mainly on how false accusations hurt actual rape victims, because it makes them less likely to be believed. And she only…
/r/MensRights25/05/21 02:58 PM
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The analogy I like to use when people pull out the "men should just not have sex" argument is as follows. Having sex is like boarding a plane. An unwanted (specifically unwanted) pregnancy is like the plane beginning to nosedive. Bearing the burden of an unwanted child is like the plane having crashed. Men and women each individually choose to board the plane, knowing that there's a minimal risk of the plane crashing. But when the plane begins to nosedive, men are told that they knew the risks b…
/r/MensRights23/05/21 06:16 PM
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Yep, it's all about control over language. Control the language, and you will win every debate. It's like trying to play a 1v1 game against someone, but before you even begin the game, they get to define all the rules, such as "heads I win, tails you lose." These people know what they are doing. Things which hurt women? Label them as such, and typically with the implication that men are the bad guys. Things which hurt men? If you have to acknowledge them, do it with a term which makes it sound l…
/r/MensRights23/05/21 06:11 PM
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It's frustrating for a couple of reasons. There's the direct reason that it's just insulting. That everywhere I look, anyone who is "representation" for me is being used as a prop to lift someone else up. Weak and pathetic men who exist solely so the nearest woman looks smarter and stronger by comparison. It sucks, and it's constantly sending the message that I am a weak and pathetic person for the way I was born. Apparently it's okay to tear one group of people down to lift others up. But also.…
/r/MensRights23/05/21 03:06 PM
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It's really sad how it has to be framed as primarily hurting women, and hurting men has to be added on as a side note. OP herself seems to focus on how it hurts actual rape victims (only women, apparently) by making them seem less believable. And then she adds on later that it also hurts innocent men, as if they are just an afterthought. And then the top comment quotes the bit about how it hurts actual rape victims, and then responds by saying that this portion is "the real issue", implying that…
/r/MensRights23/05/21 02:57 PM
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Right? He can be the provider, and be a big strong man. But you better get your ass in the kitchen, keep the house spotless, do all the laundry, etc. Gender roles for all, or gender roles for none.
/r/MensRights19/05/21 03:15 PM
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Nice sidestep.
/r/MensRights18/05/21 04:03 PM
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I think it's mainly because it's allowed. Maybe one gender is actually just inherently more prone to hating the other. In fact, I think a decent argument could be made that because of gamma bias, men are inherently less likely to be biased against women than women are to be biased against men. But setting that argument aside, I think even if men and women are innately the same, the way society treats us creates a divide. Men have it drilled into their heads from a young age that they need to put…
/r/MensRights18/05/21 03:02 PM
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If you read this post and the comments here, and your takeaway is "you are all enraged at women", then go ahead and leave. We don't need people like you around here, deliberately misunderstanding "We want to be treated as well as women are" as if we are saying "Fuck women, we hate them." If you can link 3 positively scored comments from this thread which qualify as being "enraged at women", I'll eat my words. But I don't think you can.
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:53 PM
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Right. It makes sense to assess our biological roots in order to understand how certain trends developed. Why are women biased toward other women, yet men are biased toward women (rather than other men)? Because in the early days of our species, it needed to be that way in order to survive, because of how we reproduce. Why have men historically held positions of power? Because they were disposable (see last point), meaning they were the ones sent to hunt, and then to war, meaning they were the o…
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:50 PM
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Interesting how women get reduced to uteruses and milk-delivery systems as soon as it's convenient for the feminist narrative. It's constantly "that's dehumanizing, we're not sex objects, etc etc etc." But as soon as it's convenient for them to defend their privilege, it's, "But we need to be protected more than men, because we make babies and feed them with our bodies!"
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:47 PM
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Gynocentrism is so embedded in our species that someone can make a point about how men are expected to die so that women can live, and the response is focused on whether or not that actually hurts women. Men never even factor into people's thought processes.
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:43 PM
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I don't think you need to be that cautious when bringing up biological roots around here. I get the feeling most people here fully agree with you. A lot...a lot of the issues we talk about pretty obviously stem from our biological roots. Men and women each having a bias toward women (rather than men favoring "their own") stems from the same thing you are talking about here. It used to be necessary to protect women at all costs. You could lose 99% of your men without losing any repopulation capab…
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:35 PM
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Or until a man and a woman are on a date, and then the man better pay. Or until a woman is on the bus, and then a man better stand up to make room for her to sit. Or until OnlyFans becomes a thing, and then a woman can live life on easy mode, putting in almost no effort while making bank, taking advantage of sad, lonely men who just want a connection, no matter how small. etc etc etc
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:26 PM
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The analogy I like to use is that having sex is like boarding a plane. An unwanted pregnancy is the plane starting to nosedive. Both men and women choose to board the plane, knowing the risks of a crash. But if the plane begins to nosedive, women are offered a parachute if they want one. Men are offered no such choice, and so they go down with the plane. Note that I am not saying that having a child is like dying in plane crash. The plane crash is only meant to represent an unwanted pregnancy, w…
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:00 AM
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Right? If this person seemed reasonable, I would engage in good faith and ask the question you are asking here. But I don't trust this person to respond in good faith. But what you say here is true. They are blaming the man whose sole involvement was participating in sex which resulted in an unwanted pregnancy. The woman is the one who, knowing that the man wants no part of the child's life, chooses to raise the child on her own anyway, relying on government assistance. So why the fuck is the ma…
/r/MensRights18/05/21 01:44 AM
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A) There was no mention of the woman in the story saying to leave her alone. The man said, "Hey, can I ask you a question", and she promptly walked away without saying a word. Normal people consider that terribly rude, but in the eyes of her and the users of /r/TwoXChromosomes, she was the victim here, because the evil man spoke a sentence to her. 2) "not listening to a woman when she says go away or stop". Why only a woman? Why not generalize that statement to say that you consider consent impo…
/r/MensRights17/05/21 09:49 PM
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That's the problem. More and more people these days seem to believe that a person should have to give consent to be spoken to in public. There was a post on the top of /r/TwoXChromosomes (and by extension, the front page of all of reddit for new users) which was essentially a woman complaining that women are "expected to be available". What that meant is that she was at a grocery store, and a man said, "Hey, can I ask you a question?" For this, she labeled him creepy. It's really a shame how ant…
/r/MensRights17/05/21 08:09 PM
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AKA the argument used by pro-lifers, which women consistently label "misogynistic" in nature.
/r/MensRights17/05/21 08:00 PM
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I generally take the stance that people should be more free to do whatever they please. So if any given person feels good about themselves by streaming their cleavage on Twitch and selling nudes on OnlyFans, more power to them. But I think it's insane how much these things have been considered "empowering". Women are literally so privileged that if they aren't hideous, they have the option of making money by showing off cleavage and/or nudity. There's so many e-thots I see on Twitch who aren't e…
/r/MensRights16/05/21 05:58 PM
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Meanwhile, in feminism land: "Ugh, why are women uniquely criticized for their appearance, as if their sole value to society is beauty? Ugh, misogyny." Feminism and "ignoring when something bad happens to men, claiming that it only happens to women, and therefore is misogyny." Name a more iconic duo.
/r/MensRights16/05/21 05:52 PM
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That one post from /r/TwoXChromosomes comes to mind. At some point, I was switching accounts, and while I was temporarily logged out, I got to see all the default subreddits on my front page. And for those who don't already know, /r/TwoXChromosomes is a default subreddit, meaning that all new users and logged out users have the pleasure of seeing posts from that subreddit on the front page of all of reddit. The post I saw was titled, "Why are women expected to be available to everyone all the ti…
/r/MensRights16/05/21 05:50 PM
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1) Bias/discrimination in education 2) Complete lack of reproductive rights 3) The general impossibility of fighting for men's rights (including the above two) without being painted as a misogynistic loser Education is far and away my most important issue, because it's children being affected. As much as it can suck to be a man, at least as a grown man, I am equipped to deal with these problems, and have the maturity to recognize how awful many people are regarding these issues. When I see messa…
/r/MensRights16/05/21 05:34 PM
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I can't believe I had to scroll this far to see education come up at all. It's far and away my top issue with men's rights. As an adult man, it fucking sucks how many disadvantages there are to being a man, and to witness how little society cares. But at least I am an adult who has already formed his worldview, and who can operate in the world as it exists. But I can't imagine being a child in this social climate, being taught at such a young age that I am inherently evil because I'm a boy, and …
/r/MensRights16/05/21 05:27 PM
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As usual, it's "must be at least 50%". Not "must be 50%". Not "must be within 10% of 50%" (meaning anywhere from 40%-60%). Nope. It's "must be at least 50%". Because they don't give a shit about equality. They just want more power for women. I am not 100% certain which country it is, but I think it is Scotland which apparently has a law which enforces all public boards of directors to have at least 50% women. To these people, 49% women and 51% men is sexist, but 100% women and 0% men is not. It'…
/r/MensRights15/05/21 08:33 PM
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We're very concerned that a number of local authorities are commissioning services with a 'gender neutral' approach, which in practice is defunding women's refuges and lifesaving violence against women services. The phrase "when you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" comes to mind. For the sake of argument, I'll set aside the fact that more focus on men does not automatically mean less focus on women. So even if we assume, as these women are, that including male victims…
/r/MensRights15/05/21 08:21 PM
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Yeah, one of the least surprising things I have ever found out was that /r/AmITheAsshole is mostly teenage girls. I had noticed for a long time that the sub was consistently biased against men. And not even in remotely subtle ways. It was so consistent and so blatant that it made the sub feel like being a fly on the wall at a ladies night when all the attendees have just gotten out of their 5th shitty relationship in a row and just want to vent about men all night. Every post is just so blatantl…
/r/MensRights14/05/21 08:29 PM
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The cat calling thing is so stupid to me. I get that anything gets old when you experience it too much. So I can understand that, as a guy, we might wish to be cat called now and again, but if we were women who experienced it constantly, it would get really old, and we'd be tired of it. But I still find it ridiculous how it's considered common knowledge that cat calling is "misogynistic". Men being attracted to women sexually is considered offensive, despite it being literally the basis for our …
/r/MensRights14/05/21 03:34 PM
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I'm really curious to find out for sure why this is, despite that likely being an impossibility. There's the naive assumption, which is that women are just more violent than men. But there's many other possible explanations as well. One explanation I have heard tossed around is the idea that men are more likely to resort to physical violence than women, but that women are more likely to resort to emotional violence than men. The end result of that being that couples with a man and a woman begin …
/r/MensRights14/05/21 03:30 PM
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Not even because someone else has it worse...but because someone else belongs to a group which is more likely to have it bad than the group you belong to. The logic these people use is absolutely insane. According to them, you could have a man who actively experiences spousal abuse from his female partner, and a woman who has never experienced spousal abuse. But because women are more likely to experience spousal abuse (which is already a contentious claim), that means that this woman has it wor…
/r/MensRights14/05/21 03:21 PM
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Seriously. It's insane how common this logic is these days, that only the demographic most-at-risk deserves any attention. We can't focus on police brutality in general; we have to focus exclusively on black victims. We can't focus on domestic violence in general; we have to focus exclusively on female victims. And so on. If the world actually worked that way, it would be insane. I can't even imagine the feminist outrage if women were literally ignored from every single topic where men are more …
/r/MensRights14/05/21 03:19 PM
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Can you imagine if what this person said were taken seriously? Imagine being a man who is actively being beaten by his significant other. At the least, he is emotionally depressed by the knowledge that his partner would do something like this to him. But he might additionally be getting bruised to all hell, maybe stabbed, maybe a bone broken. But while this is happening, he's expected to stop and think to himself about how, as a man, he is less likely to experience the thing he is currently expe…
/r/MensRights14/05/21 03:13 PM
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Can you imagine if people took this same logic into account in any other scenario? Imagine a lanky douchebag walking up and sucker punching a buff guy in the back of the head, knocking him over and causing some serious damage. Imagine that the courts throw the case out, because the attacker was smaller than the victim, so therefore, no serious damage could be done. It would be ridiculous. When a man hits a man, the relative sizes of each participant is irrelevant. It's assault. But apparently, i…
/r/MensRights14/05/21 03:06 PM
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Yeah, there's so many different ways to interpret a statistic like that. Like you alluded to, it could be that women are more likely to use suicide attempts as a cry for help, to get attention from their social network, whereas men are more likely to attempt suicide because they genuinely want to die. If that is the case, then the reporting we see would make sense. A man who attempts suicide because he genuinely wants to die will most likely keep that fact a secret if he ends up living and chang…
/r/MensRights13/05/21 04:07 PM
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It's a very important distinction, but it's frustrating how many people will ignore it in favor of labeling you a misogynist. Like you said, the problem is with society and how society treats men and women. The problem isn't "women bad". The problem is "society lets women be bad". If men and women are inherently equal in every regard, but society is very harsh on men who are shitty, yet allows or even empowers women who are shitty, then the end result will be more women being shitty than men. An…
/r/MensRights10/05/21 03:03 PM
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Right. It's the classic de-evolution. First, it's the notion that it's wrong to be condescending based on gender. Then, it's the assumption that any condescension must be based on gender, despite no evidence of this. Then, it's the assumption that any statement must be condescending, despite no evidence of this. So we just regress to the point where a man deigning to open his mouth is met with accusations of mansplaining, because clearly he was being condescending, and clearly the reason for his…
/r/MensRights05/05/21 04:05 PM
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And even if that person comes back at you with, "but mansplaining isn't just a man being condescending to a woman; it's a man being condescending to a woman specifically because he is a man and she is a woman"...I have this to say. Women are also sometimes condescending to men specifically because they are women talking to men. It just shows up in areas where women tend to have most of the knowledge and men tend to have very little knowledge. People think of mansplaining as happening when in an …
/r/MensRights05/05/21 01:28 PM
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Only halfway. Consider the following four combinations when an unwanted pregnancy occurs. Woman and man both want child. Woman wants child, man does not. Woman does not want child, man does. Woman and man both do not want child. In Scenarios 1 and 4, there is no conflict. In Scenario 1, they raise the child together, or they determine a custody agreement. In Scenario 4, she gets an abortion, or they give the child up for adoption, or they drop the child off at a safe haven. Scenarios 2 and 3 are…
/r/MensRights27/04/21 07:53 PM
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If you really want to get mad, consider the lack of consistency when women are asked about "super obvious hints" they send to guys, and when women are asked about "annoying times a guy hit on them when they were just being friendly." There is always a ton of overlap in the behaviors described. This is a common enough thing, but I've seen it relatively recently (maybe a month or two ago) on AskReddit. Within a week of each other, two posts were posted. One was asking women about times when they w…
/r/MensRights24/04/21 01:15 PM
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"Don't be abstract" "Good decisions are made with a cost benefit analysis built upon facts." You aren't very good at reading, are you?
/r/MensRights23/04/21 09:38 PM
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Yeah. It's pretty telling how people react to each side of the coin. On one hand, you have a woman who has been through a few bad breakups. She decides to take a break from dating to focus on herself. People are almost guaranteed to support her. She'll get comments about how it's brave to recognize that she doesn't need a man to be happy. She'll get comments about how it's mature to focus on improving yourself before trying to find a life partner. She'll get comments disparaging men in general t…
/r/MensRights23/04/21 09:36 PM
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Agreed when it comes to "woman doesn't want child, man does want child". If she doesn't want to put her body through that, then she shouldn't have to (obviously, that's coming from a pro-choice perspective). But when it comes to "woman wants child, man doesn't want child," I am still completely in the camp that says there's a pointless inequality here. The man should have the option to opt out. Even getting rid of abortion as an option, so as to remove the "her body, her choice" angle, a woman s…
/r/MensRights22/04/21 01:31 PM
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Agreed. Not every single show or movie does this, but it's stupid how common it is. It's common enough that you can predict a movie's twists and turns based on the casting alone. If a show or movie features so much gender and ethnic diversity that it would make college pamphlets envious, and it happens to have a single white male character? You can go ahead and bet your most recent paycheck that the white man ends up being evil, even if he is ostensibly a good guy early on. It's really sad that …
/r/MensRights20/04/21 08:42 PM
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The whole "lived experience" thing is just a way of pushing anecdotal evidence as real evidence. They know that if they use the phrase "anecdotal evidence", people will be quick to dismiss it, and for good reason. So as usual, these people use language to their advantage by introducing a new term which is emotionally charged, as a way to get what they want. "Lived experience" is just "anecdotal evidence", which means it's worth nothing.
/r/MensRights19/04/21 03:08 PM
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So, in your world, a transgender person is terrified that they will be killed if they tell a person ahead of time, "Hey, I'm trans". But they are not terrified of being killed after the fact? You think it's smart to have sex with someone while withholding important information which they might still find out about later on? If you think a person is going to commit murder over the existence of a transgender person, why the fuck do you think they won't commit murder after finding out they were jus…
/r/MensRights18/04/21 03:19 PM
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A man being called racist and sexist in 2021? Must be a day which ends in a 'Y'.
/r/MensRights17/04/21 03:47 PM
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Yeah, that's a good point, too. I am pro-choice, so I tend to say that the loss of a man's right to his child living is an unfortunate lesser of two evils when compared with a woman being compelled to carry out a pregnancy against her wishes. But absolutely, if you are pro-life, that 100% brings men into the fold. Because yeah, a man's right to his own children is on the line. If he and a woman become pregnant, and the decision is entirely hers, then whether or not he gets his son/daughter is de…
/r/MensRights17/04/21 03:45 PM
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Much worse, because while reddit can pretend they don't notice FDS, they actively have TwoX existing as a default subreddit. If you are a new user, or are logged out, posts from TwoX will be on your front page. And TwoX will show up in your subreddit bar, right toward the beginning of the list. It's so damning. Not only does reddit allow a subreddit as sexist as TwoX to exist, but they seem to wear it as a badge of honor, proudly displayed for all to see.
/r/MensRights15/04/21 03:11 PM
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It's like the comment by Cassie Jaye. For those who don't know, she's the documentarian who made The Red Pill documentary. She also gave a Tedx talk where she discussed the process of having made the documentary, involving discussing men's issues with MRAs, whom she had previously thought of as the enemy, as misogynists. In that talk, she mentioned about how she had to come to grips with how she had been trained to see everything as a women's issue, even if it's blatantly a men's issue. She spec…
/r/MensRights15/04/21 03:09 PM
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If there's so much misogyny here, you should have had no problem linking a handful of examples in your post. But you didn't, because there isn't. The only misogyny I see here consistently gets downvoted in the comments, and has people responding by telling them to fuck off, and that we shouldn't lower ourselves to that level. Unless you are considering anti-feminism to be misogyny, but to me, that would just be a misunderstanding of the problems with feminism, equating being anti-feminism with b…
/r/MensRights14/04/21 02:36 PM
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He's implying that you only made this post for attention, and that the only reason anyone in the comments is thanking you is because they hope you'll have sex with them. He's obviously wrong on both accounts. He's just a pathetic troll who can't conceive of the idea that a woman could legitimately care about men beyond trying to get attention, nor that a man could be appreciative of a woman's words and actions beyond wanting to get laid. Pathetic mindset.
/r/MensRights09/04/21 06:12 PM
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It's a fucking shame how much Peterson has been slandered. I had heard so many terrible things about him. About how he's alt-right, how he's a neo-nazi, how he's racist and sexist, and all that jazz. Some of these things, I heard from people I have known for a long time, and used to respect the opinions of. So I had assumed there was some element of truth to all of that. When I finally got around to hearing anything he has said, I was blown away. It's absurd how inaccurate all the things people …
/r/MensRights09/04/21 06:08 PM
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A better comparison would be how people historically used that same exact phrase to justify their racism against black people, while believing they are not offending the black people in their lives, because those black people were some of "the good ones".
/r/MensRights07/04/21 01:27 PM
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I just started a movement. It's called the "fuck cereal_killer1900 in particular" movement. The dictionary definition of this movement is that people shouldn't kill puppy dogs. Any money I receive as funding for the "fuck cereal_killer1900 in particular" movement is going to be used to murder puppy dogs, but I remind you that the dictionary definition of the movement is that people should NOT kill puppy dogs. If you criticize my movement, I will accuse you of wanting to kill puppy dogs.
/r/MensRights06/04/21 07:46 PM
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Yep. If someone makes a post to this subreddit about how hard women have it, it would be removed for being off topic. But it's pretty common for people in the comments to acknowledge the areas where women truly do have it hard. But try even lightly brushing on the topic of men having it hard on a feminist subreddit, and you'll be tossed out of there immediately.
/r/MensRights05/04/21 04:24 AM
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One of the best examples of reddit being sexist. Not only do they allow TwoX to continue existing, but it continues to be a front-page default subreddit. It's so consistently hateful toward men, and reddit allows it to be on every new user's front page. It's insane.
/r/MensRights04/04/21 09:11 PM
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It's also pretty split on political leaning. Most people seem to think that subs like this are guaranteed to not just be right-leaning, but to be absurdly rightwing. But the last time I saw a poll, done, there was a pretty close split between moderately left and moderately right. People just really don't like the idea that reasonable people disagree with them. They need to pretend that anyone who disagrees with them is the most extreme and toxic kind of person, because it's easier to validate th…
/r/MensRights04/04/21 09:10 PM
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There's always going to be some disparity between two groups. You could literally divide people into two groups completely randomly, and they won't end up being identical in every single regard. Maybe they'll be similar or identical in most regards. But if you are motivated enough, you can pinpoint one thing or another which is different for the two groups. This is why equity is a terrible goal compared to equality. If you are motivated to say "women are the unique victims of sexism", it's trivi…
/r/MensRights04/04/21 09:04 PM
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The men wanna fuck em, the women want to promote feminism. Even this is not quite accurate. It's a little unfair to men, painting them as only being interested in sex all the time. And it's also downplaying the amount of bias men have toward women in general. Feminists love to pretend that men are horribly biased toward other men, because they are projecting their own bias toward women. But men are biased toward women, not other men. Downplaying that as men just wanting to fuck women isn't reall…
/r/MensRights04/04/21 08:48 PM
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They've absolutely ruined NSFW subreddits as well. One of the neat things about NSFW subreddits is how specific they can be. Sometimes, there will be something you didn't even realize would be a "category", and it's certainly not the kind of thing you could easily search for on any given porn site. But at some point, you'll see a post on a general NSFW sub, and someone in the comments will link to a more niche sub to which the post also applies. And then you'll realize there's an entire sub dedi…
/r/MensRights03/04/21 10:48 PM
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How does feminism degrade women? Feminism leans so heavily into the oppressor/oppressed narrative that they continually paint women as helpless children with no agency. This is a broad and consistently true thing. But for one example, just so we have a specific to discuss, consider women in STEM. Feminists complain that there aren't enough women in STEM, and because feminism is a hammer to which everything looks like a nail, they blame this on misogyny. So many steps have been taken in recent ye…
/r/MensRights02/04/21 07:34 PM
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Part of the reason what you are saying is controversial is that you are admitting to a fault in yourself, and then projecting that as a trend of men behaving that way toward women. That sucks. You can talk about your own shortcomings, or you can alternatively talk about what you perceive to be a trend. But when you do both at the same time, it really comes off as you projecting your own faults onto other people. It's reminding me of Robin DeAngelo's book, where she openly admits to being a racis…
/r/MensRights02/04/21 03:05 PM
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Yeah, who would have thought that an ideology founded on hating people of a certain demographic would end up.....hating people of another demographic!
/r/MensRights02/04/21 01:18 AM
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Genuine response here. Is there even a part of you which is skeptical about why you haven't heard of it happening to a man? Instead of assuming, "I hear about X and not Y, therefore X is a bigger problem than Y," does any part of you wonder if the truth is closer to, "I hear about X and not Y, because our society cares more about X than Y"? A common theme with men's issues is that society blatantly ignores or downplays them. It's very common for something to affect men and women, yet our society…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 03:42 PM
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That's not a legal thing. It depends on your luck with your physician. I have also heard many stories of men having trouble finding a doctor who will perform a vasectomy unless the man is a certain age and/or has consent from his wife. I've also heard from some women who had no trouble getting their tubes tied. That has nothing to do with gender. It has to do with what doctor you speak to. You are actually demonstrating a huge part of the problem: issues which affect both men and women are consi…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 03:08 AM
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Seriously. It's bonkers that people are trying to deflect from that. A decent-looking woman can stream on twitch, half-heartedly attempting to play a game she has no knowledge of, and she'll get viewers immediately. Or she can go further and make an OnlyFans or stream on an adult site. Comparing that with men who stream on twitch, it's laughable. I see men who put in absurd amounts of time and effort to become truly exceptional at this game or that, and they'll still struggle to break through to…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 03:03 AM
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You know how it goes. A man hits a woman in public, and people think he's the asshole, and some will physically intervene. A woman hits a man in public, and people will wonder what terrible thing he must have done to provoke her into hitting him, still concluding that he must have been the asshole
/r/MensRights30/03/21 09:29 PM
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Well also...random violence against women at night? That's not exactly being carried out by law-abiding citizens, ya dig? This shit is just like the saying "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns". I mean, it's obviously absurdly sexist against men. But even if you set that aside, this doesn't do any favors for women. The kinds of men who would do that kind of thing aren't going to suddenly stop just because there's a curfew. The curfew will only make it so there aren't any good men wit…
/r/MensRights29/03/21 04:31 AM
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You are, unfortunately, correct. It happens time and time again. Thing A which discriminates against white people or men exists in earnest. Thing B which discriminates against black people or women is made ironically in order to showcase how discriminatory Thing A is. Thing B is called racist or sexist and is taken down immediately. Thing A continues to exist.
/r/MensRights29/03/21 02:26 AM
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Men forced to do something against their will, women allowed to make the choice for themselves. Not sexism. Men and women each given a choice in what they want to do, and more men choose to do something than women. Sexism. Modern gender politics sure are fun. I'll never get over how misogynistic feminists can be. They see fewer women in STEM, so they push for more advantages for women. So now we have all manner of female-only scholarships to push more women into STEM, and women get crazy advanta…
/r/MensRights28/03/21 02:58 PM
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To add onto what the other guy said, a large part of the problem is that "incel" has joined "nazi", "fascist", and "racist" in the camp of words which don't mean anything anymore. They've been overused. Anyone who disagrees with a black person on anything gets called racist. Anyone who disagrees with a leftist on anything gets called a fascist nazi. And people get called incel for...basically anything. So it kind of means nothing anymore. The other guy was right about the original definition. An…
/r/MensRights28/03/21 02:55 PM
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You are conflating two things when you say "feminism" here. When the other person says feminism is rooted in hate, he's talking about the ideology, the underlying theories, as well as the changes accomplished by mainstream feminism. But you are shifting to treating "feminism" as if the definition is "the collection of all people who label themselves feminists", which is a fairly useless definition. I agree with you that many people who label themselves feminists truly believe in equality. But th…
/r/MensRights28/03/21 02:51 PM
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I wouldn't even agree with that. Anyone is allowed to have their own standards. It's how you behave which becomes a problem. If you only want to date women with big tits, go for it. You're limiting yourself, and you are taking a risk that you might end up alone, because you are removing so many potential partners from the pool. But that doesn't make you a douchebag. Now, if you are treating women with smaller boobs like shit because of that? Douchebag. If you are body shaming the concept of smal…
/r/MensRights28/03/21 02:47 PM
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Agreed all around. Much of the time, the "if it were a man" argument just feels baseless and paranoid. Sorry to bring up other political topics, but it feels the same as when people insist that if January 6th had been carried out by black people, they'd all be dead. It's based on nothing but conjecture, and that conjecture is based on the idea in people's heads that racism is far worse than it actually is. There's no evidence that if they had been black, they'd all be dead. But because people ha…
/r/MensRights28/03/21 02:43 PM
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Yep. It's projection. They treat genders as opposing teams, so they assume everyone else does as well. If you were playing a team sport and the other team cheated, it would be perfectly reasonable to raise the issue that you are unfairly losing due to the actions of the other team. But if you are losing due to your own team's actions, it would be ridiculous to raise the issue to the other team and/or the ref, because the problem is your own team. So you can't blame the other team. So the logic t…
/r/MensRights18/03/21 07:29 PM
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First one: The fact is, cops kill black men less when you look at kills per 100k encounters. You know what they say about statistics. There are two kinds: lies, and damn lies. It's so easy to pick the statistic which seems to support your claim the best. It's no surprise that the prevailing narrative has been forcing people to look at the "deaths per X white people" vs. "deaths per X black people". And it's because it's the only statistics which would seem to indicate anti-black racism. If you l…
/r/MensRights17/03/21 02:48 PM
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Right. I believe three facts to be true: Women are more likely to be raped by someone they know than by a stranger. Women are more likely to be raped by a stranger than a man is. Men are more likely to be violently attacked by a stranger than a woman is. And if I punch all three of these facts into my handy supercomputer, the conclusion it comes to is... beep boop BEEEEEEP Everyone should be cautious walking alone at night. It's not misogyny that women are afraid to walk alone at night.
/r/MensRights17/03/21 02:26 PM
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Yeah, I don't know how someone can come to this subreddit and agree with the arguments here, but then turn right around and support BLM. An organization or ideology which claims to fight for equality by only focusing on promoting one group...is not actually about equality. Feminism can never be about equality as long as it's about women first and foremost. And BLM can never be about equality as long as it's about black people first and foremost. The idea that Black Lives Matter is considered ant…
/r/MensRights12/03/21 05:39 AM
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Yeah. When I first heard about the episode, I did a search to see if people were talking about the blatant misandry. And to my disappointment, the only articles and reviews I saw for the episode were praising it for finally calling white men out on their bad behavior. It's insane how such bigotry can be not only excused, but praised, simply because it's directed at the "right target".
/r/MensRights08/03/21 02:40 AM
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People have tried and continue to try. But part of the issue is that feminists have such social power, as the previous person described. And they use that power to squash opposition. Any time men's rights group attempt to form, feminists are very quick to label them all misogynistic women haters. There are multiple instances of men's rights groups meeting on college campuses to discuss issues which uniquely or disproportionately affect men. And consistently, they get shut down by feminist groups…
/r/MensRights07/03/21 01:18 AM
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Right. I think it's important to note how important language is in general. A pattern recently has been people pushing this or that "catchphrase", and then when questioned on it, they backpedal and say, "Oh, but when we say X, we really mean Y, not X." And the whole point of that is to be confusing. They want to confuse people into supporting them, while also claiming that they aren't doing anything wrong when questioned. Essentially, a motte-and-bailey defense. With feminism, even if you set al…
/r/MensRights07/03/21 01:09 AM
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Water is wet.
/r/MensRights07/03/21 12:51 AM
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What I like doing is making an alt account to post a story where I'm clearly the asshole, and then disagree with everyone. I edit it in the end to say "I have determined I was not the asshole" because nothing makes them more upset than someone not accepting their judgment. Fucking fantastic.
/r/MensRights05/03/21 04:51 PM
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I mean, if you were as blunt over there as you were here, I'm not surprised people didn't think too fondly of you. It's perfectly natural to feel let down when your partner isn't holding up their end of the partnership. And I think it's a pretty natural thing to have at least some difficulty with your partner becoming less and less attractive to you. But the bluntness wouldn't help, unless you worded it a lot better in your actual post. But your point still stands. When a man on AITA has anythin…
/r/MensRights05/03/21 04:50 PM
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That has happened multiple times on AITA. And every time, as soon as people catch wind of it, the mods delete the post and sweep it under the rug. It's pathetic.
/r/MensRights05/03/21 04:47 PM
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/r/AmITheAsshole in a nutshell. Man does something bad? It's because he's a piece of shit. Woman does something bad? It's because of all of these factors which I am inventing out of thin air and assuming are true, which would explain how a person could be in a position to take the action she took, therefore she isn't a bad person, just a person responding to life circumstances. It's super embarrassing how consistent they are about this. If there's anything in the story they can use to excuse a w…
/r/MensRights04/03/21 08:33 PM
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"Are any black people aware of how uncomfortable their mere presence makes people? Because I don't think they get it. I think some do and get off on the power they have to make people uncomfortable." Huh
/r/MensRights04/03/21 05:14 AM
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Bullshit. If you frequent this sub and /r/feminism, you are delusional and/or lying if you claim there's anywhere near the woman hate on this sub as there is man hate on /r/feminism. We get the occasional prick who is so frustrated and jaded that he takes it out on all women. But that kind of person gets downvoted every time. Meanwhile, /r/feminism is constantly showcasing frontpage posts with nothing but man bashing.
/r/MensRights04/03/21 05:07 AM
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Yeah, it's hilarious (and depressing) to see how feminists downplay discrimination against men. One common thing you will see is feminists describing it such that discrimination against women is literally killing women, but discrimination against men is "mean words on the internet". Downplaying it as if it's in a completely different league. But that's one of the main running jokes about feminists, that most of the things they complain about are the most minor things, like men sitting comfortabl…
/r/MensRights04/03/21 05:06 AM
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Mugged by a black person, so you distrust black people? Horrible racist. Raped by a man, so you distrust men? Victim, you poor thing, how dare anyone call you a misandrist.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 05:59 PM
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Agreed. What you are pointing out is the best argument that feminism is a religion to these people. I used to consider myself a feminist, because at the time, I was led to believe that was shorthand for, "I believe in gender equality." And I did, and still do, believe in gender equality, whether that means helping women when they are disadvantaged, or helping men when they are disadvantaged. But along the way, I learned more and more about feminism, and I stopped wanting to be associated with th…
/r/MensRights03/03/21 05:57 PM
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I've definitely seen posts where they voted a woman as being in the wrong, and a man as being in the right. But you are correct that such posts are the minority. They give women a huge benefit of the doubt in basically any situation. If they can twist the facts and make assumptions which lead to a story where the woman can be defended, then they will do that. And even if they can't, they tend to fall back on "she has mental issues", as if that defends against bad actions. So I'm with you on that…
/r/MensRights22/02/21 07:59 PM
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Unfortunately, even when AITA seems relatively sane, it's usually for the wrong reasons. Look at the thread again. People are voting NTA because the mother put him in a lose-lose situation. But make no mistake. Those same people absolutely view gender preferences as sexist. If you would be happy with a child of either gender, but you would rather one over the other, AITA considers that horribly sexist. There was a post a couple of months ago, where OP was a husband and father to a handful of dau…
/r/MensRights22/02/21 06:57 PM
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She blamed all differences on externally driven forces like societal norms Yeah, she thinks that because she's a woman raised in a society which teaches women to view themselves as victims who have actions done to them, rather than agents who perform actions of their own. Any difference between men and women must be the result of misogyny, rather than the result of women behaving different than men. Society can absolutely have an effect on the way people behave. But it's wrong to claim that it's…
/r/MensRights21/02/21 10:44 PM
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You might raise an eyebrow when you find out that a person views their friends in such terms, by classifying them by gender and taking note of trends based on gender. Sure. But it's not sexist to describe your experience. He's just citing anecdotal statistics. In his personal experience, the women he knows are consistently one way, and the men he knows are consistently another way. That's just statistics, albeit on an anecdotal level. He isn't making the claim that all women are this way. He isn…
/r/MensRights21/02/21 07:22 PM
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Right? The votes are somewhat reasonable. I think it's fair enough for some people to take the stance of "She started it, she's in the wrong", and others to take the stance of "Even though she started it, you shouldn't have stooped to her level". So seeing a split of NTA and ESH makes good sense to me. But the justifications for those votes are just stupid. People are going on and on about how "bitch" is some major sexist slur. Like if they just say that enough times, it will become true. In my …
/r/MensRights19/02/21 04:00 PM
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And how terrible convenient it is that people always respond that way when it comes to the gender disparity, yet call you a terrible racist if you use the same argument to explain the racial disparity. Weird how that works.
/r/MensRights13/02/21 01:32 AM
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Different person chiming in, but yeah, it is harrowing. And it's disturbing how people will use statistics to validate things they already believe, and then ignore those exact same statistics when they go contrary to what they already believe. George Floyd dies, and people go on and on about how black people are disproportionately killed by the police, and how that proves widespread system racism, enough so that people would protest en masse during the rise of a global pandemic. But if you actua…
/r/MensRights13/02/21 01:29 AM
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It really blows my mind that so many people truly believe women were oppressed more than men. When you ask them to demonstrate it, most people will bring up that women weren't allowed to work. It's truly baffling that feminism has convinced so many people that getting to stay in the comfort of your own home is "oppression", and being forced to work a dangerous job you hate is "privilege." Some people truly love working, and they just don't feel right if they aren't contributing to society. But I…
/r/MensRights09/02/21 05:51 PM
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You're talking out of your ass. You know damn well that if a bunch of men started requesting "male only <insert thing here>", they would be laughed at and accused of being misogynistic. "Female only" is seen as progressive. "Male only" is seen as excluding women, therefore misogynistic.
/r/MensRights04/02/21 06:35 PM
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The point about women being oppressed in the past is major. For one, there is the plain-as-day argument that women being oppressed in the past is no justification for trying to oppress men in the present to "even the scales". Equality should always be the goal, not revenge. But moving past that, I think one of the strongest signs of feminist brainwashing of society is how many people seem to legitimately think that women staying home while men worked qualifies as male privilege and female oppres…
/r/MensRights04/02/21 02:57 PM
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it was something we both laughed at. Because the idea men having any rights-related issues was obviously total nonsense. I imagine that's the experience many people here have had. I know it's the same for me. My introduction to men's rights was through a previous co-worker. That man was everything that feminists pretend all men's rights people are. He was plainly misogynistic, and a total piece of shit all around. At some point, I discovered his reddit username, and from time to time, I would lo…
/r/MensRights04/02/21 02:48 PM
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There are definitely still a lot of them, unfortunately. This is just one example, but it came to mind. Earlier, I was in a thread on AskReddit about gender double standards. I was pleased to see that the vast majority of responses were talking about double standards which are unfair to men, rather than the usual deluge of people pretending that only women face issues. In one particular comment chain, I saw upvoted comment after upvoted comment talking about a specific way men are discriminated …
/r/MensRights28/01/21 06:59 PM
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