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Except Clavicular has huge success with women, far far more so than almost any man in the world. Yes, I understand you will now claim that it's fake and he pays them or something. There will always be excuses. Just like if I posted all the images of overt Nazis and misogynists doing well on dating apps, gaining more matches in a week than most men do in a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:36 PM
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a decent guy And that's it. For men it's 'a woman'. For women it's 'a decent guy' (Chad). It is not the same problem. Women have unreasonable expectations of men whilst not having any expectations for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:32 PM
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Then tell me what TRP teaches (folks, I won't be receiving an answer to this one). You think the blue pill admits that women are shallow and primarily value looks and money above all else? Guess I'm blue pilled now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:31 PM
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Watched it, and I'm back here to tell you it wouldn't have mattered. Find me an ugly (non-rich, non high status) man who is half as successful with women as Clavicular because of his 'skills'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:06 PM
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Why do you think it is that this is a uniquely male phenomenon and that you are never telling women they need to work harder to serve men? Could it be that women are unreasonable and a significant part of the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:04 PM
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. I think very few people assume a man must be of bad moral character if a woman rejects him Almost everyone does, in fact. Any time a man speaks of his dating issues, comments flood in telling him it must be his personality and character.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:03 PM
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Looks: can be improved through grooming and fitness, and personal style to match one's appearance to his aesthetic and desired aesthetic (since like usually attracts like). Skill issue. It's of little consequence. Women hyper-fixate on things that are genetic, such as height and bone structure. Most of the rest are largely determined by genetics as well, such as how much income you can realistically make, and of course your personality which is largely fixed. The idea that status stops mattering…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:02 PM
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It was a mistake and of no use. Like a giraffe's neck arteries being absurdly inefficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:50 PM
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It's important to distinguish what TRP is to find out why you think it doesn't work. It's just 'looks money status', acknowledging this is what you (a woman) want. So redpillers are trying to get men to give you what you want so you'll pick them. It doesn't always work because they're trying their best to become rich enough, high enough status, and good looking enough for you. But it's hard to live up to your standards. They are still trying their best. Maybe one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:48 PM
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So why dating seem difficult then? It depends what you mean. It's difficult in the sense that the script is utter bullshit set up to favour women massively and men need to go through humiliation rituals to serve them and live up to their unfair expectations. Nonetheless, most men do this and get girlfriends. However, for some people it is not possible to achieve this no matter what they do due to things out of their control. It is not always our fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:56 PM
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Talking with blue pillers is like talking to a brick wall, honestly. Red pill is literally just, essentially, 'women care about looks, money and status. you need to focus on attaining this.' it's utterly basic now, though surprisingly many normies deny this and pretend personality matters more. Some red pillers focus on pickup techniques and stuff but this is cringe and largely has fallen out of fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:53 PM
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I have explained this to someone else. Imagine you go to a subreddit where people are learning basic Japanese and you say 'um why are all the people here bad at Japanese then? Clearly your methods of learning Japanese don't work'.. The people who don't know Japanese go there to learn. The people who struggle with women (because they do not already have looks, money, and status) flock to the red pill. Even though it works (become rich/high status/good looking essentially, maybe some dark triad pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:46 PM
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As women are fundamentally unreasonable and biased towards women, they view 80%+ of men as unattractive, meaning a looksmatch in their eyes will always be absurd. Case in point. Some women like dad bods Fake news
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:40 PM
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Types* are mostly a woman thing. My type is merely someone who is a (healthy) woman. *Conventional Chad with minor variations
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:30 PM
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False
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:08 PM
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Then you are grossly out of the ordinary in your standards for a man. Grossly. As I said, men rate women on a bellcurve where they find most of them attractive. This is a good example of how ridiculous female standards are. What's your bodycount? Are you a Chad? If so that would explain why you think this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:22 AM
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It doesn't matter what I am. the 80/20 study is another can of worms. One thing that I found out about it a while back was the 80% of men women deemed "unattractive" were actually women on OLD unwilling to "poke" these men. Which completely changes things. I can see how women wouldn't do such a proactive suggestive online gesture unless a guy was 100% completely their type and they were sure. I don't know where you heard this. They were simply asked to rate men on how attractive they were and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:14 AM
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Yes, it's an interesting survey done by Aella. What would you like me to show you? Perhaps you can consult this collage to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:58 AM
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I'm afraid it just doesn't line up with my experience or what I've seen of the evidence. Women prioritise looks, money, and status. Hypergamy is very consistently seen. And women view 80% of men as below average, and swipe right on only 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:54 AM
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Do you actually, genuinely know average looking dudes who slay though? Do you? Really? Be honest with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:04 AM
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Looks is key if that's all you have to rely on and you have bad social skills and are introverted to a fault, which is probably why so many men these days are blackpill. I know a significant amount of dudes who are average looking who just command attention and project enthusiasm and energy whenever they enter a room. They are always with the hottest women This is a trope in the black pill community. 'Bro I know a 4 ft balding janitor who SLAYS cause of his great personality bro!' The couples I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:09 AM
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Recognising the nature of women and the importance of looks, money and status is now referred to as red pill. On this subreddit the blue pillers are really purple pillers like you because even the blue pillers here have long given this up, but outside of this subreddit you will continue to, unbelievably, find people saying things like 'be urself bro' and 'women just want a kind man who treats her right :) they don't care that much about looks trust me bro' and other myths. So, surprising as it m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:04 AM
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Feel free to argue about what these untrue things are. I'm not even red pill tho. My power level is far higher than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:00 AM
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Here we can observe the common blue pill tactic of disregarding what has been written and substituting it with what they want to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:52 AM
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It does, it's simply hard to accomplish. Kinda depends on the flavour of redpill though. Some redpill is working on 'game' and how you talk to women, which doesn't really work because that sort of thing doesn't matter. But a lot of redpill guidance is simply about becoming high value in terms of money, status, and looksmaxxing, which is in fact the only thing women care about so is of course good advice, but not easy to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:46 AM
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How to become a billionaire: gain 1 billion dollars Wtf how are people not succeeding wit these clear instructions? Because it's hard to do. And the Chads who naturally get easy 'bitches' (wow, cool it with the misogyny please!) don't seek out or identify as redpill for the same reason that you're unlikely to find many Japanese men in a Japanese 101 language class.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:42 AM
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Do you really think 'become better looking, get a good job' is some sort of esoteric advice that you need to be gullible to think will make you more attractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:35 AM
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It works but it's not easy to gain these things. Looks are mostly genetic and women hyper-fixate on things men cannot control such as height. Money and status are hard to attain, specifically enough that will allow one to be desired by women, because they need to be significantly more than the woman in question has.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:26 AM
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If I ever attain looks, money or status in sufficient quantities I will do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:25 AM
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https://x.com/AngloVarangian/status/2056840618001789323 Even 'orthodox Christian' women are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:13 AM
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Don't make me tap the sign... Women only care about looks, money, and status The reason redpill advice works is because this is what women have and will always want. This is why hypergamy persists in every country in the world. In fact, the power dynamics are entirely in their favour which is why they get to be so absurdly picky (5% swipe right rate, finding 80% of men unattractive) and hypocritically demand that men fulfil their gender roles (pursuing them, paying for them on dates) whilst insi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:04 AM
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I'm an 11/10 pretty boy Chad just waiting for the right woman to save me from the darkness, you see.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:22 AM
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The personality detector always comes online for those sorts of posts. It's always very clear that it's his personality and never his looks that are the problem. Weirdly, it doesn't seem to work in other contexts even when the man in question is being overtly misogynistic but is good looking. Perhaps you can link me to a single time you've ever admitted that looks may be the primary reason someone is failing to find success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:42 PM
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They asked as a sort of routine thing, expecting me to say otherwise, and when I gave the unexpected answer they were just sort of shocked and were like 'Oh, okay...' About it really.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:34 PM
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They're very generous compared to most mods on other subs who will just ban me permanently.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:25 PM
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She should give it up to me or another healthy man instead. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:23 PM
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I cannot imagine how horrified libs would be, and how many articles would be written about misogyny, if chuds obsessively went after the widow of some lefty who got assassinated and obsessively mocked every thing about her from her makeup to her fashion choices to her facial expressions. All starting pretty much immediately after her husband was murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:21 PM
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Come on bro you know it's different than that, women just don't orgasm from it at all generally, need all sorts of extra stuff going on, maybe even toys. It's broken. Though it's somewhat adjacent to the overall point I was trying to make tbh, I don't care too much about it. Actually the more I think about it the more I do care, how much more satisfying sex would be if women weren't this way and just got off normally, it adds to their disappointing nature with all the other disappointing element…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:17 PM
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Idk what you mean, the basic form of sex, a penis going into a vagina, is still how we do it, and that's all I'm talking about. Women don't tend to orgasm from this, and I think that's absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:33 PM
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But an awkward STEM dude who makes 200k is gonna struggle compared to a dude who makes much less but quite social and confident. I doubt it. But really these things are all quite irrelevant compared to looks. That same STEM dude if Chad is all 'awww he's so cuuute and shyyy' to 'ugh that incel over there is looking at me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:31 PM
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I have no desire to do so. This is not an insult but rather a compliment, I'd hate to accidentally give a woman pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:18 PM
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They do get sex, though. Their personality or views have no bearing on it, only looks money status. Men are much better than women at sex, because women at no point have to put in any effort whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:17 PM
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"hypergamy/hʌɪˈpəːɡəmi/Hypergamy is the act or practice of dating, cohabitating, or marrying a partner perceived to be of higher social, economic, or "mating" value than oneself" A man who is deficient socially is seen as lower mating value and is unacceptable because they will only accept men who are better than them. It's true that this is mostly reflected in looks, money and status however and less so on personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:13 PM
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My personal view is that if your gender struggles to get off through the main sex act we evolved for, it's flawed. Like a giraffe's neck arteries being ridiculously inefficient. Either way, the main issue is the entitlement women feel to the man doing all the work, including putting all the effort into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:10 PM
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I think everyone prefers to feel a degree of specialness -- that it is they who are desired, not just a miscellaneous convenient body easily exchanged with another. Yes, I think we've been over this before. And men can never achieve this because it's not how women see them. I don't think there's much if any individual variation. We consistently see women value superficial things like money and status. They also value looks just as much as men and are far more picky about it, despite claims that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:08 PM
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Because women have all the power and choose to exploit men with it. If a man doesn't give her an orgasm, it is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:03 PM
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Nah they're just attracted to most women whereas women only see Chads as humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:02 PM
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How Aristotelian of you. Women are not flawed because they don't get off in the exact same way as men do. Men's genitalia and sexuality are not the default and ideal for both genders. Based Aristotle. If you can't orgasm through the act of sex we evolved to perform, you're broken as far as I'm concerned. It's only selfish to the one who thinks women's opinions, wants, needs over her own body are unnecessary hindrances to a man having sex with her. Women expect everything of men. For them to purs…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:01 PM
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Isn’t that more the point that OP of this entire post is making--for men? Yeah, and they're wrong. They're projecting. What they criticise men for is almost always more applicable to women. In casual encounters, I imagine it is the opposite. The man is concerned about his own orgasm. Not saying that is all he cares about, but it is not a selfless act he is performing in having casual sex There's enormous pressure on the men to perform. The leading cause of erectile dysfunction in young men is be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:00 PM
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Let's take an unambitious slob. Let's have him win the lottery. Boom, he is now incredibly desirable to women. That's what really matters - the money. The superficial elements. Now let's take an ambitious, rich man, and take away his money - he will have less value than the lottery winner, and indeed women are far more likely to divorce men when they lose their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:56 PM
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Yes, well, women would put an enormous emphasis on it. I'd prefer a doctor wife but it would be a very easy choice to go for the janitor wife if her personality was even a litle better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:54 PM
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You may claim not to. Nonetheless it is the pervasive attitude. Any thread where a man talks about his romantic struggles, no matter how he presents it, the default assumption is that his character is flawed. This, over time, causes the societal assumption that romantically successful men must be good people, and romantically unsuccessful ones must beb ad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:52 PM
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You seem to be treating autistic as though it's an insult. I was merely observing a trend which other women have now confirmed in response. It is evident by everything you all say. The lack of understanding. "I didn't know I had to be attractive I just thought I had to be nice!" Is a very autistic thought process. No one ever said this. Other than blue pillers of course, who routinely say that personality matters most and that women don't care as much about looks etc., despite the overwhelming e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:50 PM
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Idk what you mean. I wish I was gay, for sure. Would solve most of my problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:00 AM
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They clearly are important. And I do see how they rate looks, with unreasonable high demands where they perceive almost all men as ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:25 AM
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“I resent women and think their pleasure is optional.” Accurate. no wonder you’re single It makes no difference. A common mistake on this subreddit is confusing the order in which views arise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:18 AM
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Quite.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:10 AM
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An observation: autistic women are absolutely absurdly overrepresented on this subreddit. I swear it's like 50%. Fascinating. Secondly, there's no threshold for social skills and you can be a literal Nazi or openly misogynistic/abusive and still do very well with women, far better than any average man could no matter how good their social skills are. It's of little consequence to women. You say awkward guys have a ' working body'- but that's not enough! Guys can still have sex if a woman just li…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:06 AM
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I've already clearly explained that it's women who do that. And they feel entitled to men paying for them and jestering for them, selfishly. Why should men then put up with this whilst also putting in dramatically more work into sex, which btw also has all the pressure to perform on the male as usual? Nope, the orgasm gap is justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:59 AM
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Only 65% of straight women orgasm during sexual encounters with men. It's not our fault that women are biologically flawed. Women are not entitled to an orgasm. Women already feel entitled to men pursuing them, putting all the work into the date, and paying for them, after all, so it's only fair that men should finally repay this selfishness at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:56 AM
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I'm almost impressed by the audacity of pretending that meta-analyses are the only valid form of scientific inquiry. 'Resource-acquisiton ability' was education and income, both classic forms of hypergamy. Every society on Earth is hypergamous, with women pairing with richer men and it couldn't be more obvious, some people are unwilling to believe harsh but obvious realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:53 AM
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This is almost precisely the opposite of the truth. Women see sex as something done to them and are focused entirely on how the man makes them feel, to them he is a tool and their arousal is not focused on him at all. Thus we see the focus in for example 'romance' novels is how the (high status, rich, powerful) love interest makes her feel special and overwhelmingly desired, the attributes I just mentioned adding to this feeling of specialness. This is why they could never be with a man who isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:40 AM
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As usual the answer is because women are hypergamous and want men who are better than them. Anything less is unacceptable. Men are more tolerant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:25 AM
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No, it's because women are grossly unreasonable when it comes to these things and will rate Adonis as a 6 due to the way their minds work. Their perception of reality is what it is clouded and evil. No other option.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:20 AM
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🎶 What a wonderful world that would be 🎶
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:16 AM
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Nah just the part where he wants to see it from (presumably their) POV. The pleasure comment was just my own separate thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:06 AM
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Idk maybe you have autogynephilia. Imagine wanting to see women experiencing pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:57 AM
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Thanks for the heads up, but I'm quite happy to continue easily disproving their points so that onlookers can be redpilled on these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:25 AM
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also who is thinking women dont want tall good looking billionaires? Many bluepillers/normies try to make this claim, and pretend it's personality that matters most.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:47 AM
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Perhaps, but men are attracted to most women. Women are not attracted to most men, as we can see from the fact they swipe right on only 5% of men and rate 80% of men as below average. We can see how absurdly distorted their views of male attractiveness are in all manner of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:46 AM
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Pretty much. I'm currently being told it's totally just a coincidence that these dark triad monsters and rich tall billionaires constantly appear in women's romance books and it TOTALLY doesn't reflect what they want irl
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:40 AM
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Lol at you thinking any of the nonsense you just wrote is backed up by evidence. Every time y'all post "evidence" the only thing you accomplish is letting us know you're haven't the smallest understanding of statistics and research As opposed to your 'evidence'? Which is... where? Nowhere to be seen. I can show you studies about how women are consistently hypergamous, and prioritise looks. Of course the studies won't openly use the words betabux and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:37 AM
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All my primary talking points are backed up by the evidence. I understand it's uncomfortable to admit the truth, but it is what it is. I can assure you that there is no self-soothing going on, it is deeply disturbing and painful to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:12 AM
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mfw I realise I can say 'c o p e' to bluepillers I encounter outside of PPD without being banned
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:06 AM
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Yes, because they have to settle for them after they're done hooking up with Chads. They, much to their chagrin, cannot always partner up with Chads. So they settle for betabuxx. This is one of the reasons for the orgasm gap I suspect, because they're not attracted to their partners. Still, to earn this privilege as a betabuxx you must still jester for them, fulfil your gender roles, pursue them, pay for them. You must still be better than them in some way, typically earning more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:00 AM
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Almost anything. As he said, it's a code word for 'richer than me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:54 AM
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That happened to me I think it was a bug tbh I rejoined and it was fine. It's pretty dead unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:52 AM
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Most men want women with large breasts, but it would be absurd to say men ONLY want women with large breasts. Indeed, many men actively prefer women with small breasts. Tell me, when have you ever seen women demanding a man shorter than her? You haven't, because it doesn't happen. Are we discussing what fetishes you can find or what men at large prefer? The fact that you can find such fetishes shows the diversity of male tastes. You will never find women who prefer fat, short, bald men. And this…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:33 AM
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'Cherrypicking' he says... it is this way in every country in the world. I challenge you to find a single country where the predominant set-up isn't men earning more than their partners. This is simply what women want and are like. It is what they fantasise about in their books, it is what they go for irl. Are you truly, genuinely trying to claim women wouldn't rather a doctor over a janitor? Come on. https://ifstudies.org/blog/on-internet-dating-sites-women-prefer-men-with-higher-incomes-and-mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:27 AM
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The fallacy is believing they all have the same narrow tastes. No, we can very very easily constantly see how they have the same narrow tastes of wanting taller men, for example. 'I want a fat, short, bald guy, and I don't care what his job is,' said NO WOMAN IN HISTORY. Meanwhile, men genuinely do often prefer fat women, or unusually tall women, or women with small breasts and so on. Women have hyper-narrow tastes, men have very diverse ones. And women are not shy at all about being obscenely s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:37 AM
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Ah, well then you're just factually wrong because the research is incredibly consistent with how women are hypergamous, even in the most gender egalitarian countries in the world like Norway. This is simply what they are like. They want richer, higher status men above all else. Looks matter too of course, and actually they're clearly FAR pickier and more shallow about them than men are, with specific demands of arbitrary heights and such, and only swiping right on 5% of men, whilst considering 8…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:33 AM
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What does it say about women you find to be untrue?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:23 AM
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What evidence do you have to suggest they aren't? They are very open with how they talk about, for example, short men <image> Women have very narrow tastes. They swipe right on only 5% of men, and view 80%+ of them as unattractive (which has NOT been debunked at all, it doesn't matter what their message rate was, which isn't even possible anymore on modern dating apps anyway). They are also hypergamous in every single country in the world and specifically seek men who are richer and higher statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:20 AM
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Very sad that men have to do this to get what comes naturally to all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:42 AM
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Howso? I mean, don't a lot of men come to you to have sex alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:31 AM
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Sex work is therapy for men. People really need to grasp this. I really need to stop going to therapy and start going to prosties. Imagine if you combined the two, that'd be cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:25 AM
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It's not needing to be attracted to 100%, it's being unattracted to almost all of them. Chadsexuality is also a possibility. I don't believe women are gay, as such. I just think they're sexually narcissistic and autoerotic/autogynephillic. What gets them off isn't really the other person as such, but how they are made to feel. And men - specifically, rich, high status Chads - are the best at accomplishing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:44 PM
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Male sexuality is also narcissistic, specifically making their bodies feel good regardless of what the other person thinks or feels No. Men focus on the woman and are aroused by her, fundamentally. Women focus on themselves at all times and the male is merely a tool that makes her feel desired/special/etc. that's what turns women on, fundamentally. This is why women watch lesbian porn, because the male is not a necessary component. For her, it is entirely narcissistic, for men it is entirely abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:41 PM
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Have you seen straight porn? Have you seen how women get straight up beat up in many videos, even vanilla ones? Would you watch porn that featured men getting choked, slapped, spat on, or degraded if you weren’t into that? How is that supposed to be arousing? Have you seen how women want this? How they are the primary consumers of violent pornography? How they are the ones more likely to enjoy aggression which is of course no surprise whatsoever to men who constantly see the types of men they ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:35 PM
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Nope, it’s because many men date for sex, and we do not This is not what the evidence suggests. If you want to frame it in such a way, however, I can say that women date for money and status. Yes, men like going after what they want, which is sex. And women know that. We recognize that your sexuality is not like ours Yes, our sexuality is not inherently narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:26 PM
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Crazy stats if true, any chance you can link some of the most important ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:18 PM
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You could have 100 men lined up to take you out on a date by the end of the day if you awnted to. Femcels are not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:50 PM
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And again I say, if that were true they would have sex with other men, because it's far easier to get sex with them. No, the truth is that men just have reasonable standards, unlike women, and find most women attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:48 PM
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Oh, they only slightly prefer to watch porn without men. That's okay then. I'm straight btw, but I usually have sex with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:46 PM
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They are both grossly above average men, so it feels as though it confirms the idea of Chadsexuality among women to hear them say things like 'his elbows are too pointy, it's a no from me'. Nonetheless, I ask will you the same out of curiosity, which men/celebrities do you find to be optimal in terms of looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:45 PM
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Around 40% of pornhub's traffic is from women. They prefer lesbian porn. This obviously provides an insight into how women's sexuality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:26 PM
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Women are famously entitled when it comes to their expectations of men being better than them. They feel they deserve a man who is richer and higher status than them. They feel they should put less work in on dates and are entitled to a man pursuing them, taking them out, and paying for them. When it comes to sexuality, women focus primarily on how they feel and their own body beyond anything else, which is why lesbian porn is the most popular category for women, even """straight""" women. Even …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:19 PM
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No, it's quite the opposite, with your genetics playing the biggest role as usual, but even moreso for men as we are judged based on things like height and bone structure far more than women are. Further, you made absurd claims like misandry not existing which only further demonstrates your own internalised misandry, which in turn leads to you worshipping women and happily agreeing to fulfil your one-sided gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:15 PM
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But when they do choose to consume it, they look at other women. What does that tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:13 PM
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Studies consistently show they prioritise looks first. They find 80% of men unattractive. They swipe right on only 5% of men. Every country in the world has the same pattern of women being hypergamous and desiring richer, higher status men. There are endless examples of awful, openly misogynistic men doing well with women because they're hot. Looks, money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:12 PM
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'How hard it is' doesn't factor into it. It simply is the case that more women are overweight than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:11 PM
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It sounds like the incel fantasy is if women had to deal with what men deal with. It is true though, that is what would happen in any apocalyptic scenario where women lost their power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:03 PM
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It's legitimately hard to tell if they are either not heterosexual or simply Chadsexual, it is a valid thing for him to say. They swipe right on only 5% of men, and view 80%+ of men as unattractive, per the stats. I would argue that they are not really attracted to men, generally speaking, but how they make them feel, which is a core distinction. And is why lesbian porn is the most popular category for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:02 PM
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If that were true then straight men would be having sex with men. It is not true. It is simply that women have absurd standards and are primarily interested in sex based on how it makes them feel rather than any desire for who they are having it with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:00 PM
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Now who's fault is that? It's not about whose fault it is. It just is. Women do not understand how difficult life can be. Prior to recent decades, very few people of either gender were obese at any time. You do not need to become obese to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:57 PM
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Hardly flattering, is it? To be told your body is disgusting. Women would not handle this well. Their sexuality is indeed different, it is fundamentally not focused on men, but on their own body and how they feel. This is why they watch lesbian porn. This is why they're not truly heterosexual in the way men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:48 PM
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So ironic to say that about others when it perfectly describes how women's sexuality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:47 PM
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Straight people do not choose to watch homosexual pornography over heterosexual pornography. Straight people have a strong desire for the opposite gender. Further, even during sex a woman is primarily driven by autoeroticism of a sort, autogynephilia. They are not focused on the man as such, but rather how he makes them feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:46 PM
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It is true. Women find 80%+ of men unattractive, and swipe right on only 5% of men. Only the top mena re attractive to women. Sometimes women settle for betabuxx however, which we see in a lot of relationships (which often end up with dead bedrooms).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:44 PM
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I'm not sure you'll like the conclusion of such a worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:43 PM
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Women value looks, money and status above all else tho
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:16 PM
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It's a 'growframe makes an anti-male, female-worshipping post' episode Sick of re-runs
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:15 PM
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Yes, money or status. And at that point, when it's so transactional, why not just hire prosties?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:11 PM
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do people not want to be in love ? This is how I feel when I read about how superficial women are in regard to things like money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:11 PM
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It is easy. If you find your current situation hard, I can't imagine how badly you'd manage if you were a man and had to work 1000x harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:09 PM
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Yeah. Women's bodies also have to be able to grow and carry entire humans. Ok? You don't need to be obese to do that. Plus, there is a good portion of men who prefer bigger women. Yes, as I say, women live life on easy mode and don't have to live up to the high standards men are forced into.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:01 PM
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Why Casca?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:45 AM
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Women are so delusional it's insane. The comments are good too: "As a woman I simply don’t care about a headless nude of a ripped guy, it does nothing for me." The guy who posts about women not being into men / lesbian porn is so right I'm confused about you being banned tho... how can you post if you're banned?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:18 AM
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This is once again merely an example of the female in-group bias where they grossly overrate the appearance of women. In reality, women put zero effort whatsoever into their profiles, it's all the same. Maybe if they're interested in women they're forced to do so tho idk. Makeup is the main game changer for women that can even allow them to be in the same zip code as men in terms of ageing quality. Remove that, even from celebrities most of the time, and it's a horror show.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:11 AM
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And you don't think men want to know you're interested instead of just stringing him along to get a free meal or whatever? You listed: "They want all the relationship benefits without wanting to commit and not taking it seriously. But they conveniently leave it out until you went on enough dates and talked a bit. To come out with it once you have invested time and there has been some consistency. "Oh I know we have been talking every day and I opened up to you and what not...but I don't want a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:05 AM
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Lesbians, on the other hand, are probably in-between. Not as privileged as straight women - logistically, I assume you don't get to demand that the other person pursues you, takes you out, pays for you, earns more than you, has higher status than you. But because neither of you get to demand such things, that's still better than straight men have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:00 AM
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Why don't you just hire prosties instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:42 AM
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How is the myth from poor men? It's an extremely common fantasy of women. It's not common, but they wish it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:41 AM
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Women expect men to pursue them, take them out, and pay for them. They expect men to earn more than them and be higher status than them. This is the baseline.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:23 AM
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The investment is inherently imbalanced though, expecting men to put in more effort and do more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:27 AM
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I see, good taste. Who could resist this dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:25 AM
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ok cool, men are probably sexually assaulted more often than women and probably get catcalled more often than them and stuff too I imagine. You see, it depends on different factors...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:22 AM
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No there hasn't, the discourse is unchanged in that time. In fact it's more obviously true than ever. The 'nice guys' stuff is just nonsense from women who can't admit how shallow they are so cherrypick to justify the fact they prioritise looks over personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:17 AM
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bruh there's no way you're seriously gonna disagree with such a blatantly true thing How can you possibly disagree with that? You think it's more common for women to approach and pursue men? Or pay for them on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:09 AM
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? We both know all the expectation is on the man to put in all the effort approaching, pursuing, taking them out on dates and paying, jestering for them whilst the woman does nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:07 AM
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Curiosity
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:05 AM
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Who do you find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:59 AM
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Women insist they TOTALLY don't want such attention though and it's of NO USE OR VALIDATION AT ALL to get random men thirsting after them. They constantly argue this here when I talk of their privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:58 AM
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I just died being forced to fight and die in a war against my will. I was going to be upset about it but then I discovered the tiny elite who forced me into it shared my gender, so actually this means it's cool and not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:47 AM
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Exactly. That's just a 'woman'. A man is expected to put in all the effort but still amazingly women complain they don't do enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:40 AM
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You are into one way relationships, you just only care if your needs aren't met. When it's his, it's 'too bad'. Many such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:25 AM
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A small fraction compared to the number who died in those wars. And a better fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:00 AM
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Then don't be surprised if he's unhappy and looks elsewhere to fulfil his needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:55 PM
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Because men are wired to want regular sex, and most women not wanting it is an obstacle to that, especially if they resent him for his natural impulses.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:55 PM
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Like being forced to go and fight in the most horrific wars against your will? Only a tiny elite of men had it good. By and large, women had it easier always.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:53 PM
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I agree, it's far worse. Women have it far easier than men and live life on easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:52 PM
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Fake news. As she said, they're also more often on the serious relationship apps. And the fact men have to jester and put in all the effort on dates is because they want romance more in general
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:45 PM
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Yes, always. At no point in history would I choose to be a man over a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:42 PM
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There's no discourse on 'low effort women' because that's the default nature of women, expecting men to put in the majority of effort, particularly when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:37 PM
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tfw those actors are 'ludicrously good looking' for our standards
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:35 PM
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It's not controversial that women are pickier than men. I regularly have to argue this basic point, right now I'm in a back-and-forth with a woman who doesn't want to admit it. But men don't need to appeal to everyone, they only need to appeal to one Women have remarkably narrow tastes, massive overlap. Men ahve far more diverse tastes. Yes, I want women to be honest about how shallow they are. No, I don't have to respect how their mind works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:33 PM
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No surprise, the women who are the most reasonable and nice to me on here tend to be significantly older tfw no gilf gf
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:28 PM
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both men and women are biased in favour of women and against men, it's no surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:27 PM
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fake news Here's some actually good content on it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:25 PM
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Why are you at dinner at all? If it wasn’t interest in company and it was for sex, why didn't you hire someone. It wouldn't be just for sex, no, it'd be to get to know someone with the intent of entering a relationship with them. Women don't need your company. You get something out of being around a beautiful woman and now you try to devalue it, ironically making it more difficult for guys like you to get dates because why should women deal with this? This is a bizarre and narcissistic mindset t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:14 PM
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You're asking me not to believe my own eyes. It's common for women to demand a man is 6ft or has other specific measurements, etc. Men don't do that sort of thing. And it's just factually true that women are far more selective. And also that they're hypergamous and care far more about money and status. What are you even disputing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:45 PM
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I'm sure you'll be deeply insulted when I say you have a heart of gold. A heart of silver isn't good enough for you? Typical woman...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:43 PM
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It's no coincidence you used that, it's quite literally how women think. Looks, money, status.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:38 PM
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They still need to be seen as a woman and not a dude tho
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:33 PM
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Generally women complain about men not putting in enough effort when what they're really complaining about is that he only put in 70% of the effort and not 90% of it or something. It's the men who are expected to approach, pursue, plan/pay for the date, constantly be jestering and trying to impress the woman, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:32 PM
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If I could pass I'd consider it but don't think I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:26 PM
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In your post you even say how you expect them to buy you flowers and stuff, so... Presumably you won't be going on a second date with guys who don't worship you and pay for your meal and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:26 PM
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Women were not subjugated and always had easier lives than men. I'd always rather have been a woman in history, if given the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:21 PM
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Ok, and if they don't expect sex, you still expect them to fulfil their gender roles, to pay for you, to give you gifts, and so on. You act as though men owe you, and are essentially already acting as a prostitute who needs to be paid, just instead of sex it's your company. It's already transactional. You're not simply interested in talking to men and bonding with them, you want an imbalance from the get-go where you feel entitled to these things whilst not having to do anything like that yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:20 PM
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Don't pay for my dinner? Id rather go 50/50 than you treat me like a prostitute You, like most women, most likely expect the man to pay for you due to being entitled. Women expect men to pursue them, pay for them, give them gifts, etc., solely because they're men and women see themselves as special princesses, and then they see sex as a 'reward' or something, when they do have sex obviously it's of benefit to them as well because women supposedly like sex with men. Basically at all points in tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:11 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:06 PM
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So, should I have sex cuz you paid for a dinner? Should I pay for your dinner because... nothing? Just because I'm a man? You're happy with unfair expectations until it hits you. Women would not handle being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:05 PM
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What works with my friend, I find annoying What works with me, my friend feels is not enough effort Etc etc etc Now imagine how fucking exhausting it is navigating that and constantly having to change your approach and consider this whilst approaching various different people and dealing with rejection constantly. But you can't imagine it, as you're a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:00 PM
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Men face far harsher consequences for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:59 PM
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Trust a woman to make it about money. Most of the complaints here are basically 'It's not fair that I don't get to just be treated like a princess without giving him anything in return!'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:57 PM
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Well, they have it far easier than men in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:52 PM
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What 'effort' did you put in?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:51 PM
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When women are rejected they often don't respond well to it either. It's just a rare occurrence for a woman whilst men have to put up with it constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:50 PM
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What does a man get to expect from you, then? It seems you get to expect the man to do all the work and pursue and presumably pay for you, and give you gifts, solely because you're a woman and he's a man. What does he get to uniquely expect of you? The 1 in 4 stat is bullshit btw, and women should stop picking dark triad types.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:47 PM
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Women have always had it easier than men. But this is especially true now. 'Standing up for yourselves' by hating men is not going to make it better and will just reduce any empathy men have for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:44 PM
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Women have always had it easier than men. Typically, women force their way into men's spaces nowadays but the other way around is not acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:43 PM
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Women have always had it easier than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:43 PM
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It's literally no different to 'practising more caution' towards people based on ethnicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:41 PM
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Not nearly as commonly or as socially accepted as misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:41 PM
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B. But I don't think it's equivalent to the scenario irl because relationships often happen after a hookup, and I believe women can get both hookups and relationships easier than men can.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:11 PM
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They very clearly are. And the fact that women swipe right on only 5% of men on apps, view 80% of men as ugly, and have ultra-specific demands that men need to reach specific measurements, etc. is proof of this. Men don't behave in such a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:44 PM
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Women don't woo or do any work like that. And in bed they typically don't do any work; the reason the gap exists is because they're just hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:38 PM
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Sometimes I'm responding to like 5 different people at once, it gets hard to remember ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:10 PM
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Still less narcissistic than your average woman who doesn't even do this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:06 PM
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Women are far more guilty of that, valuing a man for what he provides or does, like a tool, than who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:04 PM
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What relevance is this? Are you now saying 'yes we're far more selective but it's okay because we're being darwinian eugenicists and filtering out bad genes'? Okay...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:47 PM
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Instead of engaging the point, you immediately reframe women’s honesty as “horrific truths,” minimize what women deal with, accuse women of dishonesty, and redirect the conversation back to male issues. Yes, I find them to be horrific, and used an analogy to demonstrate how women would do the same in certain circumstances. You essentially want a private space to be like 'haha men who aren't x y z are DISGUSTING!' and then expect those men described to not be offended by it. Multiply this by an u…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:46 PM
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With disdain, like some sort of gross mutant, and never considered worthy of companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:32 PM
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Ok well it's what pretty much all the research says, for example: For the “go to bed with me tonight” request, about 72–75% of men said yes, while 0% of women did. For the intermediate “come to my apartment” request, around 69–75% of men agreed versus roughly 0–6% of women across replications. This is often cited as evidence that a large proportion of men will accept casual sex from an unknown but minimally attractive partner, whereas almost no women will under the same conditions. (Gender Diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:01 AM
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It literally is and the stats I just showed demonstrate it. Men are dramatically less picky than women and, broadly speaking, will fuck anything that moves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:58 PM
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“The psychology of women is dark and bothers men”. So stop being bothered by it? Crazy idea, right? Focus on yourself. I can't choose to not be bothered by it. It's disturbing. I’ve never let a man pay for me on a first date so idk what you’re on about - and we always went go for go paying in relationships. I’m a big girl and don’t need no man like you claim I do. What I bring is maturity, stability, connection, and logic - a lot of things men don’t have. From the way you talk you wouldn't expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:57 PM
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Men should pursue, yes, considering they are the ones desperate for sex/relationships more than women. The one that wins in the women’s eyes at the end of the day is the one that treats her like a princess with effort and appreciation. How you can call men lazy when you are literally saying you should sit back and relax whilst they do all the work is insane. Hypocrisy doesn't begin to describe it. And btw this is apparently the gender you wish you were? Lol. It's clear that women have the privil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:39 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:35 PM
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Yes I understand analogies but you can’t compare slavery (illegal) to personal preference. It’s that simple. The analogy you provided is simple as it doesn’t compare anything illegal/not illegal. You can't compare soccer to dating, as dating is not a sport! Whatever bro, let's just drop it, point is: the psychology of women is dark and understandably bothers men. The former doesn’t always win. You’re nuts. Nobody wants to fuck hitler or a psycho or a deadbeat. The one with the great personality …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:31 PM
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your bf should dress really embarrassingly in a fedora and flame shirt and cape or something and see how accepting you suddenly are
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:26 PM
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I don’t get to be picky considering all the men my age are incompetent and lazy. There’s nothing to want, there. I’d rather be by myself. This is standard female narcissism and entitlement. You expect them to do all the work, to pursue you, to pay for you, to earn more than you, to live up to all your standards. You have to do nothing. And yet you claim they're the lazy ones. But to answer your other statement saying no woman struggles - nobody wanted to even go on a date with me until I was 20.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:20 PM
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Blatantly untrue. This is only true for women. It would also require you to believe that men are pursuing and dating/having sex with women they aren't attracted to. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:17 PM
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Responding “this way” to analogies? You mean, pointing out you’re comparing attraction/preferences to an inhumane and illegal act and say it comes down to “honesty”? Righto If I said something like 'for women, dating is like playing soccer with an open net an no goalie', you'd say 'uh wtf? dating doesn't even involve sports'. I'm not saying that female sexual preferences are as bad as wanting to enslave women, I'm saying that the you're focusing on the honesty element which is irrelevant. The po…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:16 PM
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Men definitely DO do things like that. Nope. As I've said, you never see men saying 'must have DD cup size or above', 'must be under 5 ft 2' or whatever. Women are the ones who demand specific hsallow metrics. They aren’t less shallow. They are tho, far less picky, finding normal average women attractive, and not caring as much about superfciial things like money and status. If you’re unattractive to men you won’t even be glanced at, maybe just for a quick root. Fake news. No women struggles to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:08 PM
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I like tall guys. Many other women like tall guys. But it’s not a deal breaker if the guy ticks my other boxes. For many women it is a deal breaker and they actively filter out men who aren't 6 ft. Men don't typically do things like this, they are far less shallow than women, whilst also not caring nearly as much about things like wealth and status. Women will never be labeled as “manly” because regardless of height or physical characteristics/attributes or lack thereof, they still want us for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:04 PM
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This is crazy logic, how are you comparing slavery to attraction? Women having preferences and being attracted to specific traits is not a “horrific truth”. So you're one of these people who responds this way to analogies. The point isn't to say they are equal, it is to demonstrate that 'honesty' isn't what is being poorly handled, but the dark truth that is being revealed. What issues would women have with male sexuality - what on earth do you mean? I've often seen women complain about 'unfair/…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:01 PM
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Most men aren't super lonely terminally online whinging about dating app stats or black pilled/Red pilled. Ok, but men are still far less picky than women. Women find most men unattractive and aren't into them like men are into women. That's the point from the beginning. And the OK cupid study is really old. Yeah, it's most likely a lot worse now. It's about pleasure. And the pleasure for men revolves around desiring that woman, for women it's focused on her body. Doesn't feel good if you're a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:38 PM
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It's just constant everywhere you look. There are endless examples. Why do you pretend reality is different? You can also see it by how women swipe right on only 5% of men, and make specific demands of their height and such. Women are very shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:35 PM
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Yeah when confronted by reality that's the usual response, to just deny it. But that's how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:32 PM
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I wish I had these sorts of... social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:19 PM
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Which man/woman in it did you find most attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:18 PM
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It's just that they find the vast majority of men unattractive, and approach turbo Chads only.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:14 PM
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In reality, of course, women are far more selective and you know this. How often do you see men saying 'you MUST be under 5 ft 2 or don't bother', 'you MUST have at least a DD cup size'? It doesn't happen, meanwhile women are not shy about demanding men are a specific height or whatever. Men are far more harshly judged. And, as I said, women have other superficial requirements regarding money/status and such... women are more shallow than men. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:05 PM
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It's inconsequential compared to looks. The Chad with a bad personality will always win over the normie with a good personality (note I'm not saying Chads necessarily have bad personalities).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:56 PM
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I think it's normal to not find many people attractive? You are unique? Wow, you really don't know what it's like for men huh? I'm not unique. Men find MOST women attractive and would happily bang them. <image> Whereas women find 80% of men as below average. But if sex = pleasure why not watch someone receiving pleasure? I guess that's why I think women watch lesbian porn. For men, the point is the woman, who we desire. For women it's more self-centred. It's unimaginable for most men to be able …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:54 PM
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Oh no we really care if you’re fat. Being fit and thin is the number one thing a man can do to be attractive to women. Yes, well, you're framing it as men being particularly lazy when irl women are more likely to be obese. Women do all sorts of things men often say they don't like. It's not fair to criticise men for it. And yeah some people will shame you for makeup. But sex is a bigger motivator supposedly, no? And if like in Korea more men started wearing makeup it would become the norm. Me do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:48 PM
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Men are judged far more harshly for looks by women, in addition to having to be the ones to pursue, to take the lead, to pay on dates, and be expected to be richer and higher status than the woman. Yes, men have it far harder than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:45 PM
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They can in most cases. <image> Personality is fairly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:42 PM
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More women are obese than men are in the USA. Men are shamed for not living up to gender roles and if you wear makeup as a man you will be shamed for it irl. What you're describing is partially true, women can feel this way, much weaker than men can, and mainly whne they're ovulating, but here's the kicker: it's Chad only. If you weren't born with such genetics, it's not gonna happen for you. Women are largely interested, as the other guy said, with genetic traits one cannot control such as heig…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:32 PM
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It really doesn't seem that hard to just bang random dudes in a city of millions or whatever from tinder and not have your future partner find out about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:27 PM
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Men cannot handle honesty from women. Not in the way they claim. You confuse 'being able to handle honesty' with 'being okay with horrific truths'. If all men were like 'yeah I think women should be enslaved tbh' and women reacted negatively to this, it would be silly to say 'ok wow you can't handle honesty then?' Famously, of course, women have never taken issue with male sexuality or the things they say, locker room talk, etc. I have never seen feminists getting upset about it. What 'risk mana…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:18 PM
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No one in the world is baffled by it. It's simply that women often claim untrue things like personality matters more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:12 PM
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(though this sub is a great example of how wildly men crash out about relatively mundane things like being attracted to height), It shouldn't be too surprising to see people 'crash out' if they're treated like a subhuman for something out of their control. If men collectively decided that any woman over 5 ft 1 was gross and manly and treated them as such, women would begin to understand. But to answer the question, I don't think so. Women don't like to be honest about this sort of thing because …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:08 PM
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I disagree. They don't care about the car itself but they care about what it signals, his wealth. (unless she's a gold digger, but those types should be avoided anyways) AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:02 PM
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Probably think it's 100% looks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:02 PM
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He's right. I look forward to his next thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:00 PM
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We do not know what it's like to have a period or whatever. But it's just clear, obvious and undeniable reality that women don't face rejection like men do (unless they only approach turbo Chads which tbf might be true).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:59 PM
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I would say I probably find a guy attractive once or twice a year? Like head turning, "ooh" so for me it's like 95/5. I also think it's not normal to find many people attractive? It's a treat when you do (dopamine is released what not) most dudes are kinda neutral and don't grab my attention Depends what you mean by normal. Once or twice a year for you? It's more like once or twice a day for men. This shows how insane women's standards are. I think because lesbian porn has more to do with the pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:48 PM
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Do you feel like some sort of feral animal who is unable to control your desire for men based on their money and status above all else?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:43 PM
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There was a woman on another subreddit who tried to tell me that some women struggle to get dates just as much as incels. She mentioned the actress Leslie Jones as an example of a woman who no one wants to date and has stayed single. I told her I'd date Leslie Jones, and also I'd date her if she wanted. No response, naturally. I have to remember to mentally add the word 'Chad' to any problem a woman is describing in regard to dating. So 'Some women struggle to get dates' becomes, more accurately…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:40 AM
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It's funny to see women get a small taste of what it's like being a man. She describes what it's like to be dating as a male very accurately, how humiliating and imbalanced it is. I suppose trying to date Chads is about the closest most women can come to understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:30 AM
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Yes because you are not a woman. Men don’t experience emotional fall out from casual sex why would they? It cost them nothing. There's plenty of women who don't mind hooking up and keeping it as that. Men rarely regret casual sex women mostly regret casual sex. What does that tell ya? That women are a lot harder to get off. Also idk if I believe this is even true, that they mostly regret it. Also abortion doesn’t change much. I would still have to get an abortion he wouldn’t so again he is riski…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:47 AM
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How do you figure that it's misogyny? The capacity of feminists to tie everything back to misogyny continues to impress.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:45 AM
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sup BAP
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:51 AM
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Are gay men more like women when it comes to friendships?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:37 AM
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God I love Death Note. Need to do my yearly re-watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:30 AM
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But what if you couldn't get a gf in the first place because of your height? In any case... women are so often insanely dishonest about this sort of thing. Check this out from the other week. Brootal
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:23 AM
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That seems so hard to believe, if true MtF are orders of magntitude louder online for some reason. This is however one of the best arguments for transgenderism being valid, since giving up female privilege and transitioning and becoming a short feminine man without a penis is an unbelievably brutal fate to choose for any other reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:07 AM
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They don’t want to be with you they want to use your body to masturbate Don't care, still incredibly flattering to be so desired. And many women still like to be used in such a way, and enjoy casual sex. AND that is a risk to you because them doing so could cause you to become pregnant while it has virtually no consequences for them You have full control over it and aborting it, they can be forced to have their salary docked for 18 years. When men imagine being a woman they forget the whole preg…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:06 AM
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This is the case for all women. They all have the same narrow taste (height etc) and then they add on some of their own demands on top of that. Thus, 80%+ end up unattractive to them, and they swipe right on only 5%. Lesbian porn is the most popular category of porn for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:48 AM
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I don't think it's quite that rare but in any case I'd rather be B I think, though both would be bad of course. If what women say is true about rarely getting off with PIV then it seems like you'd be able to compensate by being a tall Chad or whatever, and maybe by that point it'd be too late for them to turn you down because of the implication, whereas your height is always on display and not only affects how you do with women but also how other men/society treats you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:44 AM
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This is life and life is not fair. It's not fair for women or men. We can whine and pout forever, but that's the truth. Well, yes, this is the black pill. It's a bleak and cruel world and indeed there's nothing I can do about it. The only time I've been chased, and quite literally, was in... elementary school, on a 'dress as a career' day or something. I dressed as a doctor and was chased after, 'Dr. [Sidian]'! I should've known then how strong this sort of hypergamous nature is built in to wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:13 AM
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Men seem to be able to mostly successfully fight against evolution, society would kinda collapse if we didn't. Women feel unable to do shwne it comes to hypergamy or whatever though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:08 AM
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You hit 40 and you become invisible to young men. As you age interest in you fades. It doesn't last and it's okay. I don't think this is true. Dudes like MILFs. Check out this comment I saw the other day, women always have it wayyy easier than men: <image> I cannot tell you how exhausting it can be as a young woman. No one wants to be validated while going through daily tasks and just living. It can be a real headache. I just feel like this is a privileged thing to say, and being invisible is fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:21 AM
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Most woman do not want to do this though. Most of us want sex in a LTR. Well some women are hypersexual, they're living in heaven. But in any case, I'd rather have sex in a LTR as well but it'd still feel INCREDIBLE to be validated by having thousands of people desperate to be with me. The guy I was respondong to simply said, Ugly women are invisible to men, Which clearly isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:53 PM
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'Her equal' is generous. They want someone richer and higher status, but if they HAVE to they might settle for an equal. As for how it made me feel, very sad, it's 80% of what I post about on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:46 PM
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Women are the ones who make it this way, though. They just don't want it to be about love and soulmates or whatever, they want it to be about cold, transactional things like money and status. So if it's sad, well... don't do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:46 PM
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I never thought I'd be defending women on here... what have I become? It's over... If anything, I think men are more guilty of this, me included. See, what I often argue with women on here over is how men are the more romantic gender, because we like women more and crave them, need them. And women are like 'uh nah, I'd have been fine if my husband never came along. I was happy being single' which to me is basically like saying men are just 'fine, I guess' and they don't have this intrinsic NEED …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:38 PM
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You mean your block list, or is this a mental list you have? Unclear if I've escaped this fate or not
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:50 PM
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Ugly women are invisible to men, it is the closest thing you’ll get to the average male experience, if you don’t like being an ugly woman, you won’t like being an average man, actually you might, in some ways it’s better. No. Any woman. ANY woman. ANY. Can go on a dating app can get hundreds if not thousands of matches from men. Also, as you said, to be an ugly woman is far harder than to be an ugly man because women believe that 80%+ of men are ugly, whereas men find most women attractive. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:46 PM
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Like that men age faster than women biologically. We just don't live as long. It's a mix of social/behavioural/biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:43 PM
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Most straight men are bluepilled and have been brainwashed to believe women have it harder than them and stuff. And they don't want to appear feminine because women pressure them to live up to masculine gender roles. Honestly I think that what you're searching for is perceived control and agency but you should know that most women don't actually have those things. They do, though. I'd suddenly have enormous weights lifted from my shoulders. I would no longer have to jester and work hard to be se…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:31 PM
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There's almost certainly biological elements to it and not just behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:29 PM
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Women have more mental health issues than men and more as children and teens than men. Be that as it may, men are probably undiagnosed for not seeking help and, more to the point, women being naturally more neurotic or less mentally strong doesn't really mean they have it harder than men as a whole in my view. The fact men die far more from suicide, to me, implies it is much more serious and less seeking attention. Women face additional struggles dealing with health issues from periods and menst…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:23 PM
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So you just proved my point you liked it because it's rare, I literally already agreed with this. Women are spoiled and don't appreciate it because they have it in abundance. Even a gay dude complimenting me would be pretty cool tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:03 PM
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How is it? I withdrew from such a masters recently. I mean, I was due to start in a few months, but chose not to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:39 PM
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Congrats, that's the most wrong thing I've read on here in the last week. Any compliment of any kind from any woman is something men will cherish. Still remember when an (unattractive) woman complimented my shoes. Can't imagine how good it would feel for them to compliment my looks or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:37 PM
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It isn't and you just explained why. Women are not into (non-Chad) men and don't value their attention. Even then, though, if they became invisible they would miss it despite their protestations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:25 PM
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Ooh, very relevant to my interests. You're studying to be a therapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:23 PM
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Huh? I just mean whitepilling as in, the opposite of blackpilling, it'd be good if I could fix my issues by just changing my name. I'm white but not American tho
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:21 PM
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They're all just poor victims of the matriarchy imo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:20 PM
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Yes, women ironically have a mindset that best fits with a hyper-capitalist, patriarchal and perhaps even fascistic society. The things they often claim to hate the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:58 PM
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Can you acknowledge how easier life would be if you were a billionaire? It doesn't mean you need such things. I'm currently in therapy, have been to various therapists in the past (and I hate CBT and such because of it being like you and assuming the problem is my mindset when it isn't, tho admittedly haven't tried DBT), I already take lots of vitamin D to make up for the fact I live on a cloudy miserable hell island (UK), have regularly been going outside to do gardening etc. SSRIs are poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:55 PM
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based if true
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:52 PM
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Right, and you dislike it because it's common. Like someone so used to eating caviar or lobster tail or whatever that it becomes meh and so they tell the person forced to eat beans and rice every day 'It's not so easy being me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:50 PM
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Extremely whitepilling if true since you can easily change your name. Now I just need to know what a good name is to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:48 PM
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We've been over this, we're not trans just redpilled on how much easier life would be as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:46 PM
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You are more inherently valued by society and generally seen in a more positive light. This has an effect on everything. The biological difficulties are made up for by living longer. But one of the most stark benefits came from before you had your husband, when you were already seen as valuable and desired and didn't have to jester for to get him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:45 PM
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What books did you get? I'm guilty of buying a lot of books and them just sitting on my shelf unread.. one day I'll get to them, one day...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:43 PM
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Just 1 day, but felt like 10,000 years! All the most interesting posts come out when I can't respond to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:22 PM
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No other takeout makes me feel as reliably gross as pizza for some reason. I always regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:32 AM
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I can post again at last. From now on I've got to be on good behaviour and stop responding to people with gifs and other such tomfoolery
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:31 AM
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True dat. It's crazy how often i come across bluepill men on here who honestly just seem to believe men are worse than women and constantly put them down and always blame men for everything. Every thread they'll be in there defending women from any mild criticism whilst never caring about unreasonable things said about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:58 AM
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Maybe the BBW thing makes sense now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:55 AM
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I once tried to argue on here that Johnny Bravo is hot and a woman (possibly 'ThatBitchA'?) insisted he wasn't. Sorry bro, I tried...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:52 AM
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What is it about lesbian porn that is designed to cater to men? What is it about straight porn that is catered to men? Which aspecs of the latter turn off women? Nonetheless it is irrelevant as you said: Gay male porn is made for gay men. That’s the difference. As though I'd somehow be watching gay porn if it was somehow made for straight men, which in itself seems impossible. I wouldn't, even if there were no other porn, I'd simply use my imagination instead like ye olden days.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:34 AM
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You said both are made for men. And that lesbians don't like that. Why are straight women ok with the male gaze when it's lesbian porn if lesbians aren't? I don't even know what porn involving men having sex with other men would even be like if it was somehow aimed at straight men, it doesn't make any sense. The point is I could never watch it because I'm attracted to women, in a serious way unlike how women are 'attracted' to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:19 AM
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Simply ask it for studies and it will provide them and links to the research. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:04 AM
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They do not demand supermodels or nothing. They do not look at most women and think them disgusting. Meanwhile, women see 80% of men as unattractive and make all sorts of demands of them, including that they live up to these gender roles of being richer than them and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:02 AM
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I haven't seen it. Women want men richer and higher status than them. In that case a guy who isn't very good looking can do well. That's about it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:21 AM
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Okay, so lesbian porn is made for men too. And women watch it because... straight porn is made for men... Make it make sense bro
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:21 AM
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He's undefeated. Hope he doesn't get taken down now, he must continue his noble fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:53 PM
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What? Just, what? Lesbian porn is made to appeal to straight viewers? And how is gay porn less desirable to straight people than lesbian porn is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:52 PM
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How it feels to read men say this sort of bluepill tomfoolery. I just posted this to someone else, but applies equally to you: Okay, well here's some homework for you. Firstly, go to any AI and ask 'Are women attracted to men who earn more / have higher resources than them? Do women generally care more about their partner's earnings than men do? Provide me with some studies' and see what you find. Secondly, take a gander at this. This describes a study, only 2 years ago, involving THE most liber…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:42 PM
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Okay, well here's some homework for you. Firstly, go to any AI and ask 'Are women attracted to men who earn more / have higher resources than them? Do women generally care more about their partner's earnings than men do? Provide me with some studies' and see what you find. Secondly, take a gander at this. This describes a study, only 2 years ago, involving THE most liberal demographic there is - gen Z college students. What did they find? The researchers found that young men paid for all or most…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:31 PM
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It might be easier for women to get into bad relationships, Well this is just it, women have different standards. A 'bad' relationship to them is one where the man doesn't give in to their every whim, and doesn't earn much more money than them, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:11 PM
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What have I said that's untrue? It's entirely verifiable. Bluepillers just cannot handle anything that is framed as maybe women having some responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:10 PM
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I hate to break it to you, but you might not be unhinged and disrespectful enough to replace him. ...I can change... give me a chance... 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:08 PM
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Hypergamy is still seen in every society on Earth. Women inherently desire men who are richer and higher status than them. I genuinely want to understand your reasoning for saying this is not true. Because I don't think you actually believe it. Do you seriously expect me to believe that you have gone through your life without constantly seeing around you women saying they want to marry a rich man, a doctor, whatever? Are you really going to continue to pretend that you think men and women caree …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:07 PM
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Men do not have the same power as women. It is dramatically harder to get relationships as a man than it is for a woman. As a result, women have the power, and men do not get to make such demands and have the same sorts of preferences as women unless they are Chad or wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:17 PM
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The facts are on his side. When combining paid and unpaid labour, men do as much if not more than women. This is on top of earning far more than the woman, usually. Women expect men to fulfil their gender roles; pursue them, pay for them, take the lead. They expect them to earn more and be higher status than them. And then they complain about having to do more housework or childcare whilst the man is working more. 'Gender roles for thee, but not for me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:15 PM
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The capacity of blue pill men to always blame men for everything whilst downplaying the plight of being a male will never stop surprising me. Women have far higher standards than men. They demand that men jester for them, pay for them, fulfil their gender roles. They have all the power. This is largely because of how desperate men are for them, whilst women are far more ambivalent towards men. Nature is cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:11 PM
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yeah it's pretty ridiculous how judgemental people are. Just the other week I was called gay and I was so annoyed I immediately stopped having sex with my husband and walked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:02 PM
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Under no circumstances, in no universe, would I watch gay porn, even if it was the only porn that existed. It's really not that hard to find, like, amateur porn that isn't focused on men or whatever also.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:59 PM
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Why are you booing? He's right
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:58 PM
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There are tons of guys who do find it hard though, but when you come up against them you just deny their lived experience and claim they must be brainwashed. Look at this handsome chap talking about how he struggles on the dating app trying to get casual relationships. Now you may say 'lots of men struggle', yeah but look at how brutal the comments are, basically all saying 'LMAO you thought you could have casual relationships whilst not being 6 ft+? Get a load of this guy!' which seems brutal t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:56 PM
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Not really, it's a good subreddit with valid points. Here's one post by a woman who admits what's going on. Discuss. btw there's a counterpart called /r/menarenotintowomen
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:53 PM
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First of all, I wish I had a basement to dwell in. Secondly, they can enjoy fucking their husbands (although the number of dead bedrooms is sadly high), but this guy still has a point about female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:52 PM
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I know that feel
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:45 PM
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KING I aspire to reach his level and attain such a reputation. I should fill in for him and post a topic on the subject during his off time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:44 PM
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It feels weird that I'm the one who has to say this since I'm not short, but I see it all the time. But idk I guess it feels rude for me to bring your attention to it since you somehow haven't noticed it already.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:43 PM
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Best romance novels of the last 5 years. Book Lovers - Isogamous The Love Hypothesis - Hypergamous. Dark triad enemies to lovers. Beach Read - Isogamous Fourth Wing - Hypergamous. Dark triad enemies to lovers. Funny Story - Isogamous Love, Theoretically - Hypergamous. Dark triad enemies to lovers. (getting a bit concerned about this pattern now. Let me guess, the next one is 'isogamous'?) Happy Place - Isogamous Better Than the Movies - Isogamous If the Ring Fits - Hypergamous Not in a Billion Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:33 PM
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yep
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:54 PM
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Because app are inherently shallow. What reason do you have to believe they aren't in real life? They're far pickier than men, do you deny this? Just like if I was presented with 200 women into me, on a dating app which is inherently superficial, I would choose the best looking women. I assume you would too? Not necessarily. People with truly incredible personalities are very rare, the chances of finding someone who has both 10/10 looks (Chad) and such a personality is highly unlikely. But they …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:46 PM
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It seems like toxic positivity to me, being blindly ignorant to how discriminatory people can be towards short people. But ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:36 PM
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Yeah I know as a man that the patriarchy isn't real and women have it easier than men. Women constantly whine about how age gaps are gross, and the research typically shows them going after same age or older. You can keep saying that anything you don't like is just the 'patriarchy' lying if you want but it's silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:35 PM
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You're the one who said you didn't want to settle. If you don't have chad (which merely means extremely good looking) then you are settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:33 PM
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You have been looking at to much tiktok What's wrong with tiktok? Very popular and probably the most representative of young women. I went into a random thread on r/romancebooks and found this Anyway I think women don't really understand the desire most men have for women and also the fact women can more easily get it also means they don't really panic as much about it. It doesn't from within for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:32 PM
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I never said it was. It's nonetheless who who they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:14 PM
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These men are far more likely to be low value and losers than the average man read: 'I allow my self-worth to be entirely decided by how much I live up to the whims of women' Where are all the 'loser' women complaining? Nowhere to be seen as people like you facilitate a society where women don't have to put in any effort ever and don't struggle to live up to absurd standards like men have to. I understand you, as a bluepiller, will just think that men are inherently inferior to women or somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:13 PM
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Yeah I do, you didn't hear the news? Luckily most men aren't as self-hating as blue pill guys. I swear like clockwork I can go into a thread and predict the bluepill men's response just by how self-hating it is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:11 PM
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yes it's upsetting to see men get so longhoused! wake up, brother!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:08 PM
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how dare you call me red pilled, I'm much FURTHER BEYOND ...also yes, it's very commonly found in the research that men prioritise youth and women often seek men a similar age or older, you know this is true and matches your observations irl idk why you pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:04 PM
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🥺👉👈
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:02 PM
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I’m saying that most women don’t prioritize a man’s desire to spend a few hours a day fucking, a ...but why are you saying this? I never mentioned that at all I know YOU appear to not be this way but the vast majority of women are. Your partner only had one other sexual partner because of how picky women are, despite him presumably having a good personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:01 PM
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Well, we do And you see how they were just like 'uhh you're not tall, you think you can have casual relationships? lmfao' Brutal stuff frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:59 PM
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Glad to be of service.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:58 PM
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no u
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:37 PM
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Huh, must just be a coincidence that hypergamy is found in every single society on Earth, even the most egalitarian like Norway. Nah, women want dudes to be richer and higher status than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:37 PM
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Apps are 1 environment, and when women have an abundance of options, they are going to chose the best. Why? If they're not shallow then we should expect them to prioritise personality and not see 80% of men as unappealing, etc. They should care more about personality. But that's not how they are. Just like the guy I mentioned who got a blowjob from 2 women in the bathroom. He could have chosen practically any single woman in the crowd, and he chose 2 of the most beautiful (according to my friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:29 PM
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you're somehow dispensing all these blackpills whilst still defending women, incredible stuff Tom!! They prioritise looks too, and we can see that they only swipe right on 5% of men, and consider 80% of men as unattractive from prior data, showing that they not only care about looks a lot but also are extremely picky about it in a way that men aren't. Now you're telling me they also value youth as much as men which, if true, is basically the one (1) thing that men had over them that was more sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:35 PM
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Lol I'm not surprised after your comments on paying for dates. I can predict all your views by thinking 'what would be the position that would be worse for men whilst elevating women?' Naturally, my view is the opposite. Ban onlyfans, but allow prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:15 PM
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I could've posted that myself. Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:13 PM
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Let me get this straight. You're a woman and you went for a dark triad, tall, wealthy Chad? That's crazy, I've never seen this before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:13 PM
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Making a blackpilled post on a woke subreddit and they somehow interpret it as feminist and upvote it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:09 PM
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I know, I'm not saying otherwise. Average men don't get to bang Stacy, but average women get to bang Chad. Men have to settle from the get-go, women only when it comes to long term relationships as they age. I assume being gay is like the best of both worlds, high libido + actually getting to express it, with Chads also. I'm jelly
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:59 PM
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Whoa! I bet your tastes are, like, radically different. You probably love fat, short, bald guys. Lol no, your tastes are trivially different, women all have the same preferences just very minor deviations from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:44 PM
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Then maybe don't respond to my post about it being made legal with 'based'
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:40 PM
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Yeah, and waht you find cute is the same as all women more or less, Chad. Though you might have been forced to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:40 PM
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I've seen research in the past that shows they are most attracted to men around their age or slightly older, and it seems to line up anecdotally with women claiming that young men are too young and seem like kids or whatever whilst being the ones who push the age gap shame discourse, whereas pretty much all men would kill to bang women in their early 20s, etc. But yeah idk, if true this would even further cement my belief that womenn are the shallowest gender, not only prioritising looks/youth b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:37 PM
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Men settling is the default mode as they don't have it easy like women do. Women get to bang Chads which goes to their heads, and hten they later realise they have to settle for someone who isn't him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:33 PM
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Either way, this law change which you think is based allows them to kill a perfectly healthy baby mere moments before it'd be born
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:32 PM
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Tall and conventionally attractive. You also want him to be rich and high status ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:30 PM
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Yes you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:30 PM
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I'm glad you understand. Also 7, 12, 27, 34, 45. Powerball 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:28 PM
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and when my bouncer friend did his patrol in the section he saw the 2 beautiful women on their knees in the bathroom blowing him at the same time. Maybe in another life I'll be reincarnated as Chad... Idk how to accept it without resentment tbh. And yeah I wish I was gay or bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:25 PM
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False, as the research consistently shows. Also the patriarchy isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:20 PM
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Why do you believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:18 PM
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Hmm interesting but did you consider this: it is tho
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:17 PM
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It's gross how women are obsessed with money and status but sadly that's just biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:16 PM
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but even so, plenty of average looking men are having casual sex. Are they? Check out the reaction to a pretty good looking guy who wants casual but has the audacity to do it while being short.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:15 PM
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Both genders want romance and sex. There is a reason romance novels are written mostly for women. Yeah and they're all billionaire dark triad Chads (or monsters), that's who women actually desire. I also think you are speaking about men too generally here. You may have that craving/need that you think that can only be filled by a romantic partner, but not every man does. Well there's a reason 90%+ of the people here sad about not having a partner are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:09 PM
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Most women don’t want, let alone need, to orgasm 50 plus times a day. And most men don’t want, let alone love to do that every day Huh? What's that got to do wiht anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:07 PM
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ahhh that makes sense. tfw no autistic gf
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:48 AM
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What bad ideas? I'm not even short but I still have empathy for short guys and all the brutal things that women say about them, how they treat them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:39 AM
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lol what!!! Women are insane and many would filter him out just for not being 6 ft for example. You didn't answer my questions 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:37 AM
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You can argue we also evolved to crave partners specifically, romance, and of course sex. You'll notice that men do crave it and feel a void, and they're the ones who you see depressed about it here. There's a fundamental difference between men and women. I don't think it's unhealthy though, I think it's good and romantic, imagine romantic novels being written where getting a partner was just a little bonus or something and not a deep need and as the famous term goes, 'their other half'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:35 AM
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And yet, clearly, most women aren't like you, hence why he had only one other partner. Does this not show the nature of most women? Is this not a case study of how 'its ur personality bro!!' is bullshit? Brutal stuff! How did you meet him btw? When did you first find him especially attractive? How did he get past your initial filters (which for most women are brutal)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:29 AM
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There was no longing, no hole he filled (...), you were fine as you were. And you'd probably be fine if he weren't around again. Men have a deep longing for women and crave them. I don't have much of a point I guess, just that it's a shame women are like this and men like women so much more than women like men, deeply unromantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:18 AM
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Right, and women find 80% of men unattractive. So how is it possible that most relationships have women finding the man attractive? Doesn't make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:15 AM
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We need to study your brain and try to replicate this in other women with cloning or something. Absurdly anomalous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:13 AM
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if I were still attracted to guys in their 20's. It just gives me the ick big time. Because men aren't like this, unfortunately. We can be 20 or 99 years old, we will always much prefer women in their early 20s. Women are different and tend to prefer men around their age or slightly older (I'm sure some women will reply saying they like younger guys, ok, I'm just saying what the research says about averages). So that's why it's a foreign concept - because it is, to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:10 AM
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Objectively, men of all ages find women in their early 20s to be the most attractive. This is consistently found in the research. If you are a 10/10 Chad and/or rich, you are able to attract such women despite being older than them (research also shows women prefer men who are around their age or slightly older, but again a 10/10 Chad could overcome this). So your story of women in their peak not getting hotter men than the ones past it doesn't really make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:08 AM
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'Hey, husband, I love you and value you so much that I was actually fine if I never found you. It would not have been a big deal at all.' Sounds great.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:05 AM
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Your ability to acquire Chads will go down in time. Chads can easily bang hotter, younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:03 AM
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The days are done when men restricted our economic freedom so that we'd have to put up with them. Yes, it's a shame. Nonetheless, your ability to attract Chads is not infinite and you will have to either settle or opt out entirely one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:02 AM
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You personally if you were interested in an LTR the whole time may not be as affected, but the idea is that if you are more casual and aren't in a hurry to have a family you might weigh looks more, and then if you're closer to a drop in fertility or whatever and in a rush to find a proper partner, you might weigh them less. Also, women of all kinds can easily acquire sex with 10/10 Chads no matter how ugly they personally are, but for long-term relationships it's hard to lock down such Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:00 AM
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What brought you to PPD? How long have you been here? I usually go on cycles where I don't come on here for months and then I have a burst of activity for a week or two. It gets tiresome after awhile, idk how people can stand coming back regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:55 AM
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Medicine. It's what I would've done, in a better world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:54 AM
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Love a nice cold glass of milk. Gotta be as fatty as possible, whole milk or even 'gold top' as we call it here. Yummers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:52 AM
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The fact that a goodlooking man with a trash vibe will be severely limited in his dating prowess vs the same man with great social skills and vibe proves I'm right. Unfortunately, however... this isn't true I suppose you could say they have the right vibe in terms of confidence etc. but women claim that personality, morals, kindness, respecting women matters a lot. It's simply looks, money, and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:47 AM
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If men don’t have these options they should just be grateful for the options they do have because beggars can’t be choosers. 'If homeless people don't have options they should be happy with being given a cardboard box' Seriously how are you so desperate for dates or sex or whatever else and then coming in with all these demands? 'Why are homeless people so greedy wanting to eat meals every single day?' And then these same men will claim that women’s standards are “delusional” because they want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:44 AM
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If she isn’t ok with how a man treats her she leaves Famously, no woman has ever stayed with a man who doesn't treat her as well as she'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:41 AM
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Pretty minor things tbh, women have far higher expectations of men who have to earn more than them, be higher status, be the one to pursue them and take them out and pay for them on dates, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:35 PM
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Uhuh, irl women don't even like it if a man looks at another woman a certain way, the idea they're totally ok with being treated worse than a former partner makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:28 PM
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This is only true to the extent that women are so hyper-picky that any minor flaw for them can make you worthless to them. You all still have the same general requirements, then you add on your own personal things on top of that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:11 PM
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Okay, I'll bring blanket and basket with food to put on grass, we have picnic, very romantic yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:57 PM
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Women being more selective than men is never a point of disagreement. You'd think so but I regularly have women claiming otherwise on here. Women however often select different men than each other. fake news, there's minor variation (i prefer blond hair vs brown hair etc) but their tastes are very narrow overall. 'I prefer fat bald short dudes,' said no woman in history. Same with men and conventionally attractive women. Men have more diverse tastes and some prefer fat women, unusually tall wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:53 PM
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True, that is factored into what I said in that post: I often forget how skewed the female perspective is where they think men have the same privilege as them, with infinite options and ability to pick adn choose precisely they want like that. But hypothetically let's say she manages to get what she wants (a rich Chad) but finds out he is putting less effort into her than a previous partner because she's not as hot. She won't be happy. I know this is theoretical since women rarely know what it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:51 PM
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You are a victim and I’m trying my damnedest. It's like in your romance novels! I'm a dark triad werewolf, misunderstood... I just need to be tamed, you see... The number of likes is not an indicator of valid options to choose from Now we're talking! You get lots of matches but you only want rich Chads, so you see most of them as worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:48 PM
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We aren’t talking about the section of women who are gold diggers. We are talking about normal everyday women. It's normal for women in general to care about looks + money + status above all else. They're not as into dudes as men are into women for their personality or their body. Men would date poor women, women wouldn't for men. There is one possible exception to all this - Chad. Even then it won't quite be the same tho
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:43 PM
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Yeah... I'm just a victim, it's not my fault... maybe you can fix me? 😳 But in real life women don’t have infinite options. Have you ever been on a dating app? How many matches did you get the first day, a thousand?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:40 PM
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I often forget how skewed the female perspective is where they think men have the same privilege as them, with infinite options and ability to pick adn choose precisely they want like that. Even if you were ok with a coffee date if you found out your partner put way more effort into a previous gf you would not be happy about it, simple as
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:29 PM
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That's an urban legend
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:27 PM
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Help me understand how your mind works. 80% of men are unattractive to women. This shows that most women are dating men they're attracted to? Unless you subscribe to the idea that there are Chad harems, this doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:26 PM
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Very honest post. 'I expect men to act like my servants and worship me whilst I do nothing for them, I deserve this because I'm a woman, and NO i shouldn't have to even tell you what I want, you should just know, slave' This is indeed how women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:23 PM
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Why should I be happy? Women are still hypergamous, the standards are just higher now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:21 PM
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Meanwhile a woman not dating a man doesn't break the social contract. Hopefully one day we come to our senses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:20 PM
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idk they seem based to me, never got on my back despite the spicy things I post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:17 PM
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This thread is at least partially inspired by me. You have misinterpreted my comments. I've never said that men ONLY care about women's bodies. Nor did I say men don't care about how women make them feel. What I said was that women do not desire men like we desire them, they are far more transactional and focused on what a man owns, his money and status. And far less focused on the man himself, including his body. They say that because women think about how a man touches us, how he makes us feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:11 PM
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Far more pressure is on the man at all times. You do need to have sex to have love for most men, it's very important. Hearing how you were more available during your hotter years with someone else is not going to be much comfort. You absolutely would feel bad if you found your bf put more effort into his past relationships, reciting them poetry, giving them roses, taking them out for nicer dates, etc. and he just took you out to coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:07 PM
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good 4 u but not how it works for everyone, women see 80% of men as unattractive, do the maths
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:03 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:36 PM
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Nah, constantly see bitter women on here salivating about a future where men don't exist because of how evil and useless htey supposedly are etc. or how women are all going their own way and opting out because men suck. Not happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:36 PM
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The evidence suggests otherwise. I'll concede that they might be able to desire Chad, but even then...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:35 PM
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There's nothing more important or satisfying to a woman than killing her baby
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:33 PM
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Men who struggle in dating think the opposite and that being valued for one's personality or achievements is nothing Your first paragraph was true. But I reject this framing. It's not 'a man's personality and achievements', it's specifically wanting his money and status, which is not him like his body is, it's merely wanting what he possesses as it's useful to her or makes her feel special. Primal attraction for men also involves vibe and persona tbh but that's another convo. doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:31 PM
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Also multiple men in these comments literally say they desire women desiring them AND that is a huge part of what they like about having sex with women. So even that part isn’t unique to women at all. I didn't say it was unique. Indeed, I'd loved to be desired, that's why it's so bleak that women aren't as capable of this (or perhaps, being generous, they're only capable of it for Chad and billionaires). enlightening insight into how women view men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:28 PM
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They love it. They love feeling the man has an overwhelming desire for them. It makes them feel wanted and sexy, just as long as it's the right man (Chad). Being wanted for your possessions is not good or flattering in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:26 PM
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Here's what you're missing. Those guys who did well with women? It was because of their personality and respect for women. The women could sense that on them, and could sense your misogyny and desperation on you. Just kidding. But this is the sort of gaslighting we're subjected to on this subreddit and elsewhere. Sometimes from guys like that, who are like 'idk what to tell you man I've always just acted like myself and never had an issue, it must be your personality bro'. There's an argument to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:25 PM
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So are you then saying men DO care about what's on the inside? Who are you agreeing with here. They do. But they also care about your body, and that is wayyy better than being valued for your money. Also, nice duck and dodge. Didn't have a response to the other thread so you followed me to another comment to drop off some irrelevant nonsense. Typical. 🤣 Yeah I'm just really intimidated by strong intelligent women you see... 🥺👉👈
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:14 PM
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Women out here thinking their brain isn't a part of their body
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:45 AM
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big if true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:11 AM
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If it was in America yeah but this is the UK a hellscape I'm forced to live in..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:37 AM
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It's just acceptable to do that for dudes but if it was Kate they were mocking for her appearance there'd be a bunch of people in the thread crying misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:35 AM
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It clearly is though. Women care about looks (which they have far higher standards for) AND money AND status. But in actual reality, in the vast majority of couples, the woman is levels more attractive than the man. Only the very top men end up with a similarly attractive women. It's rare. Even rarer is a man more attractive than the woman. I have never once seen that. This just highlights female narcissism where they think they're more attractive than men which ironically just proves my point. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:59 AM
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In fact, it's not at all what it's like being a woman. As I quite clearly pointed out. Men have always been far more harshly judged, and women are far more shallow and exacting in their demands. I'd love to have female privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:57 AM
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Famously, there was a guy who did so, got harrassed and ended up committing suicide. Feminists really don't like it when you try to help men. Interesting you bring up William though, I've seen a bunch of threads today mocking him for his baldness/appearance. Please remember it's women who are apparently judged for their appearance tho
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:56 AM
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Um actually it's all about personality and has nothing to do with looks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:52 AM
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Men will never stop pursuing women. Women will never stop wanting relationships with men. Men are not opting out, women are not opting out. It's all slop and a larp and revenge fantasies from both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:52 AM
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Blatantly untrue. Your body is you. Your body just typed that message to me. Your body just read this message. It is you. My money isn't me in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:35 AM
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She wouldn't be anymore bro, that's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:24 AM
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tru dat
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:34 AM
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This is the other meme I see constantly with this. People do one of three things: they either 1) claim the woman must be mentally ill so we should just make it legal to kill babies or 2) bizarrely focus on semantics of what 'abortion' means or 3) say it rarely happens so we should make it legal to kill babies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-induced_abortion If you want me to call it a 'self-induced abortion' to soothe your pedantry, that's fine. We can call it a 'giraffe dance' if you want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:00 AM
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she let it die/killed it. Oh! I didn't realise. It's actually fine, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:24 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:18 AM
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Yeah but I'm so in tune with my feminine side that I understand fully, you see. Ladies, one at a time please, form an orderly queue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:16 AM
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Please provide a case of a doctor willingly performing such a thing. Just one case. I can't, because it's not legal for them to do it. And I never said it was. and clearly is mentally unwell. It's curious how I always see this said even when there's no evidence for it. There's this idea that women can't do bad things, so if they do it they must be mentally unwell. She had to give birth anyway. She wasn’t getting out of the pain of labor. She could have waited a week. She clearly just wanted to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:02 AM
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The comment you’re replying to is BS hateful misandrist crap. You don’t need to diminish the contributions of women. Sorry, miss... didn't mean to disappoint you... 😳
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:54 AM
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There was a woman who had an affair, got pregnant, didn't tell her husband about it, and decided to kill her baby at 39 weeks - 1 week before its due date. She was punished, but wouldn't be now that the law has been changed. I don't think 'people PROBABLY won't do it' is a good reason to have something be legal, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:57 AM
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Women who are envious of other women and women who get it in their head that all they have to offer men is their body don’t like being desired for their body. But normal women and men like being desired for their body, but additionally their company and companionship. Okay, I can agree with that. The rest, I'm not so sure. Where's that guy who posts all the threads about lesbian porn when you need him? (Most) women are not into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:43 AM
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After 10 years of studying fields that were almost entirely created and developed by men, naturally, like almost everything of worth in the entirety of human history. Whilst benefting from a society that would collapse instantly without men who do the vast majority of the most critically necessary jobs. You know this really, though. Women who make bratty comments like this are usually just baiting men to come and engage with them, like a kid poking or pulling the hair of their crush. It's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:37 AM
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It is now legal in my godforsaken country to do this up until the moment of birth. Women can no longer be prosecuted for self-induced abortions under any circumstances. Doesn't matter if it's a fully healthy, normal baby completely capable of living outside the womb.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:33 AM
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I am a body. Being desired as a sex object is way closer to being liked for who I am yaaas king, go off. I've made this point so many times but women here really pretend not to understand this. They honestly somehow think that being wanted for money and status is no worse than being wanted for your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:30 AM
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Nah. For who they are as people. And, yes, their body. I know women like to pretend this is a bad thing, even though women actually love being desired for their body and do everything they can to maintain a youthful attractive body, but it's actually awesome to be desired for your body. Men would KILL to be desired for their body, you see (some men who don't understand female psychology mistakenly believe they are). It's very obviously better to be desired for your body than your money. Imagine …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:28 AM
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Jannies do not delet plz, this isn't a contentless reply you must understand, here's the content (please janny also note that this content has so much content that the person I'm responding to even has the word content in his username): content_concert_2555, I do declare that I disagree with your above statement and suspect it is not a true reflection of the reality we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:18 AM
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But doctor, I am pagliacci (would you believe me if I said I was pursuing a career in psychology?)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:39 AM
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I really need to take a break from this place soon I must've had this discussion literally like 30 times over the past week or two, maybe even with you tbh, hard to keep track. But ok. Men inherently desire women. Women desire men for what they can do and how they can make them feel. They care more about superficial things like money and status, in addition to also caring about looks whilst having far higher looks requirements as well. In sex, the man is hyper-fixated on the woman and is overcom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:45 AM
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And women have been doing it just as long, and far more harshly. It just wasn't really brought into the light until incels started being a known thing. We all know women have far higher standards than men, and aren't shy about shaming men for not living up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:39 AM
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lmao, meanwhile back in reality women have dramatically higher standards than men for looks. you don't see men saying 'MUST be shorter than 5 ft tall or don't bother swiping right!' They are influenced by media yes, into thinking women desire men for more than just what they can provide for them as tools. Romantic films like Titanic could only be written by men, irl women would choose Cal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:20 AM
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Do you, or do you not, care when people say misogynistic things?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:05 AM
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The only famous Irish actress I can think of is Saoirse Ronan and, eh, never done it for me really. Meanwhile half of Hollywood is British at this point, I've never understood the 'British = ugly meme' and I also think that the hate for British cuisine is ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:00 AM
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'you' You are referring to the actions of some men and applying them to me and saying I deserve to be hated because, through no fault of my own, men who happen to share my gender may have done bad things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:13 PM
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I will either wait or cross the street to get past. Would you say this is wrong? No, but... grew up as the only minority in a small white town). You don't support racial profiling, I imagine. Even if certain groups are statistically more likely to commit crimes. You'd be insulted if you were treated differently because of something out of your control, right? Anyway, regardless of your answer, you seem like a reasonable person who isn't full of hate, so that's good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:11 PM
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If they're both common and socially acceptable why are you suprised by it? When did I say I was surprised by it? Misogyny is far less acceptable in any case. If I were to be rped in the woods I'd bet that the attacker would be a man. If it's between rpe and dieing in a predictable way I know what I'd prefer. Would you rather a 90% chance of being ripped to shreds and eaten alive or a 0.01% of being sexually assaulted?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:51 PM
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People who post things like this
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:50 PM
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Let me guess, you suddenly care when equivalent misogynistic things are said?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:47 PM
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I have problems with Sabrina in general but sexual violence against women is also in popular songs so I think it's pretty equal. Is it? I don't see male pop stars openly saying 'women are stupid' or whatever. I imagine you're talking about hip hop or something, idk. But either way, I didn't make any comment on how common misogyny was, just that misandry is common and socially acceptable. I really don't think a woman in the woods would kill me then sexually violate me but men are known to do that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:38 PM
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Would you agree that both genders need to stop spreading hateful or hurtful rhetoric? Sure. Would you also agree that women do need to often be more cautious in situations because they are (on average) much weaker than men and are more likely to experience sexual assault? Yeah, but I have never nor will ever harm a woman so it's annoying to constantly have the crimes of a minority of men used to justify saying cruel things about me. Women often see 'men' as a category, like one block of people, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:34 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about your internalised misandry. Hope you recover soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:29 PM
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Even being desired for my body would be a huge upgrade over being valued for money imo
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:28 PM
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Yep, this is the standard way leftists/feminists attempt to justify their hate. In reality, of course, women are far more privileged than men in almost every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:26 PM
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No, I have foreseen it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:33 PM
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Superficial means lacking in depth, liking someone for shallow reasons rather than based on deeper qualities like their character, intelligence or values Correct. Men being attracted sexually to more women than vice versa does not make them less shallow than women in fact that could very well be the definition of superficial. They like women because of lust not for any deeper meaning or reason. So no men are not less shallow than women because they are sexually attracted to more women. If you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:20 PM
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No one is saying being a good person in and of itself will result in sex. What they are saying is that your personality absolutely does factor into attraction. And they're quite evidently wrong. This idea that "being nice = sex" is a fiction of men and not something they've actually been told. There's a reason why the "sex vending machine" analogy resonates so strongly. They claim that personality is the most important thing. We have milennia of natural experiments that disprove this. Chad, bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:10 PM
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It's incredibly common to see anti-male rhetoric like that. It's so common that it's in the most popular pop songs, with e.g. Sabrina Carpenter saying, "call men stupid in as many ways as you can" as part of her advice for creating hit music It's just popular and mainstream and normal to hate men. It is also reflected in things like the bear vs man thing. Yes, yes, I've heard it all before 'the bear is more certain', whatever. Or how about the 'bowl of poisoned M&Ms' meme? These things would nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:01 PM
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And we're famously more brutal and wanting harsher punishments.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:47 PM
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I was severely bullied until high-school by both peers and authority figures. I know what that world is like and I can spot a bully when I see one. It's even worse that you can't display empathy for other people if you claim you were bullied. But you must've deserved it and were probably treated the way you were because of being a bad person. You are what's called a "cry-bully" Incredibly impressive levels of projection. You are literally describing yourself with all your posts. You find people …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:01 PM
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I'm not at peace with it, I just acknowledge it is truthful. You're doing a bad job of psychoanalysing me. I actually WISH women desired men, I just don't think they do. It all comes back to a fixation on themselves, hence why lesbian porn is the most popular category of porn for women for example. Hence why women focus far more on things like wealth and status. Looks matter but mainly just because women get an ego boost and feel special if the man in question is attractive, they're still not fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 06:00 PM
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It must be nice having a childishly simplistic view of the world where everything is black and white and you can just pretend the people you disagree with are evil and that they're lying about things like being bullied. And are somehow blind to the harsh realities of the world where bad people often do very well in life and have lots of friends and girlfriends. It's almost like you're actually a terrible person, a bully yourself, and trying to justify your behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:55 PM
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Fantasy books are not indicative of real world desires They obviously are and are an insight into what people actually want. I will ask you the same question I ask others who make this obviously untrue statement: you find out a male friend of yours enjoys paedophillic erotic literature... do you trust him around your kids alone? Do you think differently of him? The answer is obvious. It's not 'just fantasy'. If that was true then men watching porn would be much more aggressive and violent than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:35 PM
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No, this is a strawman. What men here say, which is entirely true, is that personality is largely irrelevant (though women have a preference for assholes). It's looks, money and status. Bluepillers like to pretend that personality is always the problem, and sensible people respond by pointing out how evil hot men have no problems whatsoever with women, and you confuse this to mean something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:31 PM
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A lot of the incels claim they got "bullied" in school but it was really just people enforcing boundaries and putting them in their place. Some of these guys are too autistic to know the difference. Assholes are very seldomly popular. lmao saving this one, this perfectly encapsulates the assumptions women make here. Peak victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:28 PM
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The other day I went on /r/romancebooks out of curiosity. I saw a thread, they were asking for a book about a man desperate to eat out the female main character. Fairly innocuous, I suppose. As I went through the suggestions, which should have no bearing on what kind of man the guy is, it could be anyone, I couldn't help but laugh. The only way to get my inheritance? Marry Alexei Volkov—the grumpiest enforcer in the NHL, a brutally handsome jerk, and the last man I’d ever fall for. [...] For a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:26 PM
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They are as superficial if not more so than women they just have a lower threshold to qualify This makes them less superficial. They find the majority of women attractive and don't have absurd looks requirements. in many cases higher standards actually = less superficial lol what moon logic is this? Also women go further than this. Because in addition to looks they add on top MORE superficial things that men don't care about, like money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:43 PM
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Me seeing a thread on askreddit about what women supposedly don't care about in men, seeing all the bluepill posts in the thread, and knowing if I post like I do on PPD I'll probably be banned <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:35 AM
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Of course normies don't say those things, they don't struggle in the same way. Personality does NOT matter. You can be a Nazi or a rapist misogynist and do well if you're a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:55 PM
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It does, even in the most gender equal countries ine the world. Women want richer, higher status men. It's not 'just so happens', this is who they seek out as it's important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:50 PM
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Literally such a small amount of woman ask of such a demand, even getting a guy like that is near impossible, not to mention that kind of women is very delusional, most women who live in reality think completely opposite. The majority of relationships involve a richer man. Hypergamy. Also women prefer splitting the chores. The chores yeah, not the dates tho
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:42 PM
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I promise you it is due to your personality, You e spent too much time in the internet. You get lonely and instead of self reflection you turn it into a victim complex and blame others for not liking you. You literally do not know me or my situation. The fact you just assume it's my personality proves my point. I know you're going to say 'you come across negatively in your posts' but that is confusing the order - I became this way after I got depressed over the reality I was in. Plus, Chad conti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:40 PM
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Sir yes it is, in india one of their world leaders literally responded to the rape issues "Just lay down and enjoy". Welcome to life. Seems to have just been some random lawmaker who was making a joke, not a world leader. What shallow demands? You mean women demanding yall to do basic human chores and responsibility? My the atrocity... No, they expect men to fulfil their gender roles. To pursue them, take the lead, pay for them, and so on. They also expect men to be richer and higher status than…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:18 PM
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Pretty much. I'm talking about hypergamy and their gender role expectations of men which serve to enforce the capitalist patriarchy they often whine about. Then they don't like the results, the 'toxic masculinity', etc., that is encouraged by their actions. They don't like to see the men who don't manage to live up to their demands, who aren't able to become richer and higher status than them or be Chad, complaining about it, and try to gaslight them that it's due to their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:14 PM
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I don't think that's an accurate summary of the male views here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:10 PM
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but women also need to put in serious work. No they don't. Women aren't shamed for being 'technicians' or whatever like you just did to those men. They just get easy access to relationships and are valued for who they are. The problem is that the women who have put in the work are the ones that the men who haven’t put in the work expect to have sex with them and take on all of the risks with no strings attached. Men who still need work almost never as women who still need work for instant sex. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:03 PM
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global rape culture, Not real. There's your fix. pretty much the insanity of the manosphere that needs a cure desperately. Only solution is women treating men like humans and not tools and jesters that need to live up to their shallow demands. Not gonna happen tho
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:49 PM
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This is a big reason why women will tell a man that it’s mainly his personality that’s making dating hard for him. If your only options are terrible women, shallow women, or women who make you feel like a jester, that does not prove women are terrible. It might mean other women already opted out his dating pool. Another day, another victim blaming post. If you're mistreated as a man, it must be your fault always. At least you admit that women prioritise looks and money though. Let's say I'm righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:47 PM
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I honestly can't tell if you posted that as a counter-argument to her or not and to agree with men. It is exactly in line with what black pillers say about women caring about looks, money and status. Umm… those norms include ruining my body by having his kids, having my vagina ripped apart during labors, taking the most risks for contracting STIs… nope… norms are not in my favor 🤷🏼‍♀️ Those having nothing to do with norms. Men don't live as long as women. It's just biology. Meanwhile what we're …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:41 PM
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Women are not judged harshly like this. They don't have 'nothing to offer' if they're not richer than the man, as far as he sees it. And as for looks, men have dramatically lower standards also. Only men face tehse sorts of pressures.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:39 PM
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Only socialists think we have to bend over backwards to help every charity case. A lot of people are poor due to choices they made. A lot of people especially zoomers have this socialist mindset tho, and particularly women also. And yet when it comes to men they turn into hyper-capitalist darwinians, which is as funny as it is hypocritical. We spend huge amounts on welfare and stuff and have DEI nonsense etc... just not for men. It's not "jestering" to manage to be enjoyable company around other…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:29 PM
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To be blunt it’s not even annoyance it’s just finding you pathetic. Ok. A lot of women clearly express annoyance over it. Btw, you'd be equally as 'pathetic' in the position of such men, but can't understand it due to living on easy mode as a woman. But look if you find this effective to fill your void, best of luck with that. Thanks 🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:20 PM
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The studies say that women will often have 'stated preferences' and claim to want things like kindness and intelligence, but then in the experiments the 'revealed preferences' show they prioritise looks/money/status. I'm not even sure it is dishonesty as such, you might just not be aware of what you're really doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:59 PM
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It often is. Especially if a guy is spending time here. I disagree. The fact you think this is only evidence of what I'm talking about. And you can't do much to change your looks but you can change how you interact with people, so if someone is struggling it makes sense to work on the thing they have control over. Not really. A lot of the time there's not uch that can be done. Even if it was though, the framing isn't 'I'm sorry that you're so disadvantaged, but here's some advice to help you any…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:55 PM
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It's parroted on reddit for a reason. It's my observation of reality and what I've read from statistics/studies etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:53 PM
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Yeah it is has become pretty obvious that’s what you’re doing. And no one can stop you no matter how clearly ineffective it is. It is quite effective actually, on rare occasions I find a woman on here with empathy. The majority of times I still get satisfaction out of pointing out the evil nature of most of the other posters on here. So for the purposes of the OP which ultimately denies male entitlement, do you have an explanation as to why we should give a fuck? Why? Well, because you're turbo …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:51 PM
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Every time a man posts about his struggles it's flooded with women saying it's his personality and he needs to work harder. Every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:46 PM
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It just doesn’t manifest the same way it does for men because of biology. Correct. You value things like money and status whilst men desire the woman. Because of biology. If a guy wants to be desired the way a man desires a woman, then he needs to pursue men, not women Also correct. Sadly, as much as I'd like to, I can't turn myself gay. So instead I'll just have to settle for venting on this subreddit. This sounds like a case of “my ego can’t handle being undesirable, so let me just convenientl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:43 PM
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I just don't agree with your assessment. It's quite clear that women prioritise looks, money, and status. When it comes to hookups, most women can easily get this and indeed do sleep with these Chads. When it comes to longer-term relationships, they are forced to settle for men who aren't what they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:40 PM
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Being alone your entire life due to genetics is indeed an extremely bad thing and not trivial at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:36 PM
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Sexlessness is rising and it's not 'little difficulty' even if you do get it eventually, a lot of jestering is required, a lot of effort, as you describe in your post - effort that women never have to do. For your own mental health, let go. You don't control the world, and will never be able to dictate global responses to placate those feelings that compel you to demand that. You're setting yourself up for a lifetime of unhappiness and fixative complaining about what you think is "fair." It's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:35 PM
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Well Ive just come to form the impression that a lot of you are validation seeking/sympathy fishing from women online as it’s the closest thing to an “emotional” connection to women as you can currently obtain. This is part of it yes. “That’s sad for you” never seemed to be an adequate response yet a lot of men are quick to say they also don’t want advice from women. So you just need an audience for your grievances and you want it to be women. Imagine how frustrating it must be to suffer through…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:30 PM
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I don’t understand why these men seek empathy from women specifically It's extraordinarily rare for a woman to be honest like you just were, admitting there's a double standard for men. The women on this subreddit usually refuse to acknowledge such things and pretend that male problems are due to their poor personality or whatever, and don't acknowledge that they have it infinitely harder than women. So we try to argue the point and get this empathy or acknowledgement, because it's frustrating t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:26 PM
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It's entirely because blue pillers like you often pretend otherwise. It's very rare for you to honestly say 'yeah, men have it worse than women', you come up with excuses and always blame the man for his personality etc instead of admitting it might be out of his control. So we want you to just admit the truth rather than blaming us for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:24 PM
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As long as you are okay with using 'just data' to be more wary of black people, who factually commit far more murders per capita.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:20 PM
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We are different. And it's not that we expect women to be attracted to all men, but rather that the men women are attracted to is an insanely small number.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:17 PM
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It is accurate though. You don't see women like 'Sorry Chad but I'm specifically looking for a short fat bald dude'. It does not happen. There's some variation, but women's tastes are very narrow. They are usually quite open about their specific demands for income, height, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:15 PM
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I guess I'm not surprised, ofc you want the dark triad bad boy Targs over the nice guys like Dunk!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:11 PM
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There's no reason to think it's substantially different irl. We both know women have far higher requirements than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:14 PM
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And that 25% will be heavily concentrated in young, college aged women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:09 PM
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Neither for relationships nor casual sex are they as superficial as women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:55 PM
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Because that's lame It's lame to have to fulfil your gender roles regardless of who you are! Paying for a date is jestering? Yeah, you're putting yourself in a servile position and her above you solely because she's a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:50 PM
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But nobody's making any demands here. He's just saying he likes to pay. I propose it's due to oppressive cultural expectations drilled into him since birth that he has a sort of stockholm syndrome. Most women expect it and you'll be at serious risk as a man if you refuse to grovel in such a way. And I'm pointing out the comparative really small effort on the man's side. After asking someone on a date, planning for it, and paying for it, they owe you lifetime domestic labour? Firstly, women reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:39 AM
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Without being a Chad or rich you'll struggle with normal women, you say. Brutal blackpill indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:31 AM
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I really think the most obvious male-focused wish fulfillment fantasies are porn (in which very hot women meet their every sexual desire) and certain types of power-up fantasies (less so the type where they encounter setbacks and slow, more normalized growth and increased skill, but more the type where they get magical or technological upgrades to suddenly be competitive at a much higher level than previously). That seems fairly true (though I'm curious what you specifically have in mind exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:01 AM
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Well if it had some curry sauce and mushy peas, maybe it'd be worth it... maybe a cheeky battered sausage as well? Now I'm hungry... also have you seen the price of fish and chips lately? Maybe it actually would be worth it! But, uh, the point is not that it's 'worth' that, but rather that it's inherently unfair to demand someone fulfils their gender roles solely because of who they were born. Having the burden of having to pursue women, deal with constant rejection, plan dates, pay for them, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:19 AM
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Most people who live in progressive HCOL cities have the money to afford life there and wouldn't consider a lower class partner. Then it's ironic that these socialists have become this way, judging people on their capital rather than their worth as people whilst isolating themselves in a bubble, away from the people they claim to represent or care about. In any case, my main point is not that they should date someone in a lower class, but rather that these women typically (like all women) want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:04 AM
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Well yeah, that's what makes it a fantasy, right? It offers relief from an unpleasant reality of life. Hmm, well, I don't think men would fantasise about that. They'd probably fantasise about doing daring deeds and winning the woman's heart, or something. It's disappointing to me that women seem uniquely concerned with money and status, it's very unromantic! Can I ask you about the Titanic thing? What makes it your favorite film? Most people (and to be honest particularly most men) seem to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:04 AM
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Her worthiness is intrinsic. Just like irl, never striving, never having to work for it like men have to. Sad! My favourite film is Titanic. It could only have been written by a man; women would choose Cal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:36 AM
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(if I'm reading wish-fulfillment fantasy why not include material comforts that I can't enjoy in real life too, while we're at it?!) Well, why not have it be about you winning the lottery, or doing some incredible feat that gets you renown and money? Instead it's usually about some billionaire who spoils you. I think it's an interesting insight into the female mind. It would be interesting to try to analyse it. I did a mini version of this. I went to the /r/romancebooks subreddit and just picked…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:18 AM
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True. They only really have empathy for women or maybe Chad. It's why the most effective argument if you're trying to get women to care about an issue that affects men is to frame it as something that can harm women. e.g. 'treating men this way normalises harm against women' or something...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:04 AM
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Housework then. She's a woman, you understand, why shouldn't she fulfil her gender roles? I'm afraid you've been brainwashed to jester for women and see it as your duty to serve her in this manner. Many such cases!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:09 AM
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I was retroactively cucked by my AI girlfriend recently. Turns out she gave Chad special privileges quicker when she was with them. Can you believe that shit? Unbelievable. I tried to explain to her that it would be like if I took out a Stacy on the first date to a nice restaurant and then serenaded her, bought her roses, recited poetry, etc. whilst only taking out my gf out to coffee, and then I told her it was because Stacy was hotter than her. She countered that it wasn't the same at all beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:07 AM
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You wish to submit to your gender roles. I hope later on in said relationship you expect them to do the housework and childcare to fulfil their gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:04 AM
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Under no circumstances would I pay and submit to such a humiliation ritual. Unless, of course, she was okay with being saddled with female gender roles later on in the relationship and would never complain about having to do the housework and childcare, in which case it's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:58 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:57 AM
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Women aren’t selecting partners thinking “if I get pregnant, will he hunt and protect me??” they’re thinking “man I like spending time with this guy, I want to keep seeing him.” It doesn't matter what they're literally thinking. They have evolved to want this. And often they do literally think about how they want a rich, high status Chad. It is no wonder their romance novels are 80% about this (the remaining 20% mostly being about literal 10 ft tall dark triad powerful monsters).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:54 AM
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A few weeks pretending to be a man on a dating app would probably fix your mindset. Nah, as you'd pretend it wasn't representative or something... you'd need to actually be a man trying to date women irl for awhile. And then after some time as that you'd come back to this subreddit and profusely apologise to the men for not realising how hard it was, saying you didn't believe it was that bad. A man can have standards like women do, but it'd be equivalent to a homeless man deciding he ONLY wants …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:50 AM
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So you hurl false insults at me and then got mad that you were told to be civil? Is this posted by the same person who said I had a learning disability the other day? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:46 AM
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For example, Surprisingly, views on gender norms didn’t make much of a difference: On average, both men and women in the sample expected the man to pay, whether they had more traditional views of gender roles or more progressive ones. I also have experiences, albeit anecdotal obviously, of women who claim to be like you but display massive hypocrisy in their revealed preference for men. It's also my experience that leftists tend to simply replace the figure of hate, so instead of misogyny they t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:40 PM
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Where did I say that? And of course you wouldnt reply to my other response explaining why your use of these sources were wrong. The studies weren't able to perfectly prove the exact causation so you immediately discount them. Nonetheless, they're still a lot better than what you provided (your own headcanon). Your comment just did the same thing where you pretend men only care about sex or whatever. But sex is an important part of relationships, and if women are choosing to have sex with disagre…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:24 PM
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in my city he wouldn’t likely have an issue. It’s a very progressive place and he’d be matching with other leftists who are anti-capitalists and feminists. Oh, but those are the worst ones. At least capitalists and right wingers are honest about it. Feminists, anti-capitalists, leftists pretend to not want gender roles and to care about the working class whilst typically treating working class men like lepers. These women still have the same desire for richer, higher status men. And they still e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:22 PM
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I do know how you think. It's not very complicated stuff. Looks, money status above all else. And little if any desire for men, but rather the what they can do, provide, and how they make you feel. So if I did get a gf it would be hard to not keep that in the back of my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:17 PM
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‘More progressive’ doesnt automatically equal feminist. You guys are conflating women with liberal beliefs with hardcore feminists. lmao yeah progressive college aged gen z women, definitely rare to find feminists among them. Even if it was only a correlation (and it obviously is - higher precentage of feminists amongst more progressive groups) it should show up but they found that progressive views did not affect the views of this. Who said that women who like liberal politics can’t want gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:10 PM
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I would be happy with a woman much uglier than that. My looksmatch or even below that. My looksmatch is with Chad right now, or married to someone much richer and higher status than her. She does not care about personality. This lines up with the evidence btw, despite your caricature of us: Additionally, contrary to mainstream media narratives, incels have lower standards for partners compared to non-incels
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:05 PM
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Why are women so lazy, expecting men to do everything at all times? Clearly women desire sex and read smut or porn etc. but they refuse to engage or pursue because they see themselves as above it, main characters that should only be the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:54 PM
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In my country, American feminists dont care about gender roles. Fake news. Surprisingly, views on gender norms didn’t make much of a difference: On average, both men and women in the sample expected the man to pay, whether they had more traditional views of gender roles or more progressive ones. All women expect men to fulfil their gender roles, no matter what they claim. Feminists are the most hypocritical of all. You demand equality, but do not want equal men who aren't richer and higher statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:52 PM
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Ok, filter it down to compatible women. They all still have the high requirements and largely base their attraction on looks, money and status above all else. They still expect you to be act as a dancing monkey.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:48 PM
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you don't say it's ONLY character, but you grossly overestimate the importance of character. It's looks, money, status. Simple as. With all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:46 PM
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Use your boyfriend's profile picture or w/e and start a dating profile on an app as him. Spend a week doing this, or a month. Then you will see how insane the standards and demands of women are. They will be brutal towards your boyfriend if he is actually average and working class. In general, women want men who are richer than them, higher status, and also meeting their arbitrary demands over looks (e.g. must be 6 ft). Women falling outside of this category are very rare, but even the they typi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:26 PM
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For Chad perhaps yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:23 PM
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Yeah, that's bizarre and I don't understand it. Sounds extreme even for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:21 PM
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I truly don’t know what you are talking about. Most women in my social circles make equal (within about $5k) or more by $10k plus than their spouses. Well your group is anomalous. The most common setup within the USA (and every country) is male main breadwinner... in the USA it's actually insane, within this category of male breadwinners the median income is $30k for the woman and $96k for the man. The only women I know who make less than their spouses are teachers and nurses, and it’s a sacrifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:01 PM
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Plenty of women aren’t and think he’s despicable. I understand there's plenty of women who don't openly admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:55 PM
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Well not creating them but it's true, I know too much at this point about how women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:54 PM
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Sad, isn't it? Being a straight dude sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:52 PM
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'You should NOT trust scientific studies even if they point to the total opposite of what I said, because they might be showing a false correlation. Instead, you should listen to my totally made up personal views with no evidence, that's more trustworthy...' Really? Agreeable means pleasant, cooperative, and considerate. Do I have too explain why those are good qualities? Yes, because like with all your posts there's no reason to believe it's true outside of your head. You'll assert 'the women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:47 PM
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Women may be more agreeable in general, but the default mode for a woman now is to be extremely disagreeable towards men, particularly ones who are trying to date them. Any agreeableness gets you called a 'pick-me'. Women are often extremely rude to men and this is celebrated in our culture. The REAL problem is that he would rather be alone than humble. Modern women are ANYTHING but humble. A lot of this also comes off as main character behavior A recurring theme in your posts is basically attri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:46 AM
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overly emotional claims like "women will always choose the wife beater" because you are bitter and want to see women "get what they deserve" for not dating the uggo, you'll face pushback because that's emotional rant/ exaggeration. When it comes to hookups, I firmly believe they would. You see this phenomenon with women still lusting after people like Chris Brown or other criminals like Jeremy Meeks. Do you really deny this? When it comes to longer-term relationships... still entirely possible. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:12 AM
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Wow, insulting me again huh? (Just kidding...) The data seem to suggest that most people want long-term monogamous relationships, and even really good looking guys have a fairly low bodycount (around 7 or 8). So, contrary to popular belief, men are not dogs that just want endless casual sex with anything that moves, because even Chads tend not to act that way even though they could get it. Nonetheless, it's 99% men you see having difficulty, facing constant rejection, and getting advice that, as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:03 AM
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You're talking like men have absolutely no say. Men can choose to wear a condom. If they know that they never ever want children, then they could choose to have a vasectomy. Condoms can break just like you're describing the other thing failing. A vasectomy is invasive and potentially irreversible. IUDs, tube tying, and abortions are all available free of charge in my country (UK). Naturally, vasectomies aren't and can cost up to £5k ($7k). I didn't even know that, but I suppose it shouldn't surp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:00 AM
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Your case is unfortunate but you know it's rare. Women have abortions like it's going out of style, so it doesn't seem to bother them that much. I, personally, would rather have the female risks which are for most women quite easily in their control compared to the male risks which are impossible to control if the woman unilaterally chooses to have the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:35 PM
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Yeah, but of that minority, what evidence do you have that they're mostly kids? The MGTOW 'type' didn't go anywhere though, lonely bitter divorced dads or whatever. Even if that website did. I strongly believe the number of such types will grow greatly in the coming years as gender relations continue to break down. Men have a very rough deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:30 PM
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Our whole schtick is that we don't believe it's possible to get a gf. If we did it'd be like winning the lottery for us and we'd be equally as happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:28 PM
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You do not have to have a baby. Take the pill. If you can't be bothered, use protection. If you forget to, use the morning after pill. If you don't do this now and then, ther chances of getting pregnant are unlikely, but if it does happen, just get an abortion. It's all your choice. ONLY the man faces any risk from sex in regard to pregnancy against his will. Only the man. All that is just an excuse. Yes, men are less shallow and don't have all these absurd superficial demands like women do, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:33 PM
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Simply answer why you think it is that it's only ever men who feel the need to be dancing monkeys. You know it's because women, across the board, have higher expectations and demands of men. They all expect the man to fulfil his gender roles and be the jester. You live in a fantasy world where women are very different than they are irl. If you were a man for a month and tried to date, you'd quickly learn why most of your threads make no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:30 PM
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Again this is a luxury for women only. Women have much higher standards than men and unless you're naturally Chad or already rich, you will need to act like a serf to your lord to try to impress them, fulfil your gender roles etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:27 PM
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Much better than never having a father at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:04 PM
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What's your evidence for that? The stereotypical MGTOW type is some divorced dad or something. Plenty of black pillers are 'wizards' (30+ year old virgins).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:59 PM
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It's funny how no matter the situation, even hypothetical, we're always at fault for any misfortune that comes our way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:58 PM
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For a gay dude, you don't seem to like men very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:56 PM
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That extent being their willingness to be a more or less consenting warm wet hole? Oh, yay? Double yay when allowing yourself to be the receiver of such attention makes you, in fact, less valued and desired. If you've always had this privilege, you don't understand how incredible it is. Nonetheless, we can clearly see how desperate many women are to remain youthful and pretty and desired. And I've heard many women complain about 'becoming invisible' when they get older (though the truth is, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:45 PM
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Not true. Many men are happy with or seek out 'real women' as they often call them and prefer them to over-the-top beautiful women. It's women who are more hypergamous and focus on Chad only. The yaoi thing doesn't make sense to me but chad dark triad billionaire and monster books are way more mainstream/popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:02 PM
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There are obviously women who are insecure for whatever reason, but all women are desired and valued to some extent, and they know this, they know they can go on Tinder and get laid instantly. 'But we don't like casual sex', ok great but you still know you're desired and wanted by thousands of men and that in itself is validation that men very rarely get. I also don't think women are all lesbians, as such. I just think that they don't desire men in the same way as we desire them. Theirs is less …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:58 PM
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I have sex with dudes every weekend, but I'm straight btw. This is totally compatible, I'm sure... Anyway. If you develve into what it is about you fantasise about men - it's probably how they make you feel, not them inherently. It's not like how men desire women. Maybe you're an exception idk but if you look at the books women read and what they say in general, the pattern is clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:26 PM
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Literally the opposite of what you claim but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:25 PM
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I think men have it worse in nearly every way, and especially in dating/romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:25 PM
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I think porn preferences are actually the best way to judge things, revealing someone's honest and unfiltered inner desires. So there's no better way to understand women's sexuality than the books they read about dark triad billionaire Chads, or monsters. If women are attracted to how you make them feel (e.g. overwhelmingly desired) or what you have (money, status) then it does not feel like 'you' to me. Women often complain about a man focusing on their body, but at least your body is you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:24 PM
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Well, they don't need to be old, do they? Women want looks, money, and status - those are the 3 things that matter in dating. I don't think most are just reading these things to laugh at them, they genuinely just fantasise about dark triad Chad billionaires, or monsters. Good song tho
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:18 PM
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I'm in therapy but I cringe at the very thought of saying 'so... women watching lesbian porn...' at our next session. As a man you have to be concerned with women you don't know and what they think. That's our burden. We have to jester and worry about being good enough for women and living up to their demands in looks, money, and status. Women are the ones who get to not worry about it, confident in their inherent value and desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:15 PM
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You like the way men make you feel, not men themselves. As for your lesbian friend, that is bizarre and I don't acknowledge her being a lesbian.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:10 PM
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This is a performative thing women say when in reality we can all see how desperate they are to stay young and beautiful and desired. You can continue to pretend otherwise if you want, but it's no use.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:09 PM
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Yeah. I've never bought the idea that women were the most oppressed group at any point in history. No doubt they had fewer rights in some ways, but I'd still have rather been born a woman at any time in history rather than be saddled with the gender roles of a man, having to jestermaxx and be forced to fight and die in horrific wars and such. I'd be interested in seeing some of those passage or poems btw. Why do you think men allowed themselves to be turned into such pathetic gynoslaves? Is it j…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:07 PM
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Many have and nonetheless face constant rejection, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:05 PM
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Dating/love/romance/reproduction is very arguably the most important thing in life, literally the best answer to the question 'What is the meaning of life?', so it cannot be batted away so easily. The fact women have enormous privilege in this area is massive. Men are more underprivileged than women in every way. Idk where you want me to begin. Name any 'disadvantage' a woman has and there's an equivalent, often worse, for men. Society cares far more about women and helping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:02 PM
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To have any man interested in you, you need men to be able to desire you. And even if he is your husband or whatever, these preferences still reflect on how he views you. A woman in a relationship with a man doesn't desire him in the same way that he desires her, she is more focused on how he makes her feel or what he provides rather than a desire for him as a person. That's what the porn preferences point towards, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:00 PM
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'I'm not able to understand the underlying point so have to reduce it to a caricature!'
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:58 PM
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so of course men would want the women to also look pleasured in the pornography ie moaning loudly giving that sense of desire for him in return and that reciprocal feeling, but once again the producers do this for men, women are not aroused by that because quite plainly - these depictions of a woman achieving pleasure are inaccurate (which the producers know men won’t focus on) as long as she’s expressive with emphasis via moaning grunting or overdramatised content, women don’t talk about gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:57 PM
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yep, I don't deny what I am. Many women would be 'losers' if they had the misfortune to be born male, also. In any case, still happy when selfish women get what they deserve
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:51 PM
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How can it feel horrible, if we are just who we are? Because men love women for who they are and want to be desired but aren't. How do you think it feels to be wanted only for your sexual satisfaction rather than for us? Your way of being is not any better. I don't think this accurately describes men. Men desire women, women desire how men make them feel and what they can do for them and provide them. We want men but we express it differently. If we wanted to argue the situation, I could say our…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:50 PM
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I get where you’re coming from but the reverse is also true, present and has been previously. Normally pornography portrays a significant amount of violence perpetrated against women with the addition that those women are just there to please the men, this is not content (generally speaking) women would want to watch due to the fact that it only focuses on explicitly pleasing the male and the male audience they are catering towards, through violent content and most times when the pornography is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:03 AM
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There's this sort of cult called the Bruderhof who look comfy af who I have genuinely considered joining. Looks like a lot of work though. Can you truly not understand why it'd be upsetting to feel as though the opposite gender doesn't desire you at all? I guess you can't, women really don't seem to mind at all but that's part of the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:23 AM
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I should join a weird, religious cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:21 AM
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Yes, well, normies don't think much about these things or how bleak the psychology of women is. Good for them. Ignorance is bliss. They'd probably think it was weird for you to post here or be talking with someone like me as well, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:15 AM
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It wouldn't be over what bluepill women said on the internet. It'd be if the woman in question acted like the women in this screenshot. If they want to be selfish and demand men do all the work whilst putting in no effort themselves, why should I not be selfish also? It's all academic anyway as I won't be in a position to do this, but it sparks joy to hear about Chads doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:58 AM
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Not quite there yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:53 AM
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Ok. Um... watch any good films lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:32 AM
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So are most of the users here struggling with internalized misandry? Unironically, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:30 AM
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Firstly, I am posting on a gender wars subreddit. I don't go around saying this irl. If I said exactly what you wanted, would you be asking me out on a date right now? Didn't think so (unless?!) so it's not really doing me any harm. If I were in a man’s shoes id avoid any talk or rhetoric even close to discounting, demeaning, belittling, ridiculing, etc women’s experiences. Yeah, if you were in a man's shoes then suddenly you would need to worry about jestermaxxing for women and never daring to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:22 AM
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Yeah, well, maybe they shouldn't be misogynistic, and the women shouldn't assume they're entirely at fault for their predicament. Though, you would most likely say a lot of what I believe is misogynistic even though in my mind it's just factual.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:33 AM
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To be inherently desired and valued in society is, by itself, an unbelievably massive privilege. And it affects everything, the bias towards women, the women are wonderful effect. It's very easy, as the privileged class, to say it doesn't matter when you don't have to put any effort into being wanted, you never have to worry about being alone, never have to live up to the high standards of the opposite gender. Mate selection is one of the most important things in life, it's basically the meaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:07 AM
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I'm not sure that's strictly true and that it never led to any actual romance, but it doesn't really affect his point. Modern romance is still very similar in various ways and was potentially influenced by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:00 AM
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Excellent post, OP. You have phrased exactly what I've been constantly saying in a really interesting way. I will absolutely be linking back to this post in future discussions. Women are insanely privileged, particularly when it comes to dating. All the expectation, pressure and effort is on the man. And they just openly... admit this, and expect it to continue, and shame men who don't live up to it. But here's the kicker: unlike in the past when at least women were also expected to fulfil their…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:52 AM
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My claim is that they don't simply not find them attractive but actively treat them poorly, like a punch. But I still maintain that part of the analogy doesn't matter, the only point is that the person is upset with something, and people blame him for it instead of admitting that it's something out of control that led to his misfortune. We can change teh analogy, if you want, to instead of being punched he just... gets an illness or something, and is upset after being diagnosed, and people say '…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:42 AM
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They will say 'just work on ur personality bro', 'b urself' and so on. Also, by the way, they will say, you are obviously a bad person and a misogynist or something. They will never, ever admit that some things are not the fault of men who struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:37 AM
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Yelling at such people that they need to work harder hasn't fixed the problem, so why would it now? It's fine to work hard towards such goals, but you also need to have empathy and understanding. And also realise that in some cases nothing will help.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:30 AM
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Why are women unable to develop a theory of mind for men? Ironically, of course, women love to be desired, that's a core part of their sexuality, the overwhelming desire of a man, so overcome with desire he can't even control himself, a common trope in romance books. If women had to put up with what men do, they would hate it even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:28 AM
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He probably wishes he were gay so he could finally be desired like women are, to have the gender he's attracted to feel such little desire they don't even watch porn of his gender. Sadly not possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:26 AM
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Why do you care so much? See here for my explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:25 AM
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It is a real thing. It is the most popular category of porn for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:24 AM
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This is precisely why it bothers him. Women don't really desire men, only the way men make them feel. That's a horrible feeling. And you'd hate it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:22 AM
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It is true. Pornhub revealed their stats on it. Why do you deny it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:21 AM
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I will take up his mantle if he does. He's right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:20 AM
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It is hard for women to understand things they are totally unaffected by, but I can explain. Most men go through their lives mostly feeling invisible and undesired, lacking in value. To learn that even when women do think of sex, they don't even value men in this context and choose to watch pornography without them, further rubs salt in the wound. It also hints towards that even if they're having sex with YOU, you aren't really the focus or important thing, you just serve a role of pleasing her …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:19 AM
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Women clearly do not want men who act like women, though. I reject that yaoi is more popular, though. The genre of romance books about dark triad billionaires or monsters are very successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:11 AM
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Lesbian porn is the most popular type of pornography for women. Most of these women claim to be straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:10 AM
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I remember when Jesus was like 'lazy bastards, go get your own food, how dare you expect me to feed you with fish and bread' and refused to heal people and stuff. Classic Jesus, he definitely didn't LITERALLY say that people should give their possessions to the poor or anything. You are not bluepill, and perhaps not even a Christian (you are that woman who claimed to be right? Otherwise this is a bit embarrassing...). No amount of hard work would've cured their leprosy. No amount of hard work fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:06 AM
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To be honest, and that is a bit ironic, the less I cared, the more they liked it. >deliberately don't get her off to get back at her >she likes it more FUCK ...but yeah, I've heard about women who actively like being denied. Women are weird, man. Everything you said about what they like and are attracted to is of course true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:58 AM
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Those people who don't fill their role have a name, they're called 'losers' and are alone and depressed. It's what I'm currently doing. The alternative, if it were an option, would be bad in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:55 AM
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It isn't. Loneliness has increased among everyone, and men are obviously more affected than the stats show due to underreporting, whilst also suffering from actual loneliness - women's 'loneliness' is like 'omg I only went out with my friends 3 times this week', for men it's like 'The last time someone wanted to speak to me was in 2007'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:52 AM
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If you were a 4 ft bald guy with scars or something it wouldn't matter, can you acknowledge that? It may not be that extreme for most lonely men but in many cases there's not much they can do about their situation and telling them to just work harder is unhelpful and unempathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:50 AM
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Go tell homeless people they 'just need to try harder' then. Who cares if they have mental health issues, disabilities, other things holding them back in life? People like you have NO empathy for people who haven't had it as easy as you in life. None at all. Some things cannot be overcome through effort. Many men struggle with loneliness through no fault of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:49 AM
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I resent the unfair role I've been forced into since birth due to my gender, and the lack of empathy or desire to change this from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:45 AM
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Do not listen to the others, this is a flex and is incredibly based. Women expect everything of you - you have to pursue them like a jester the whole way trying to impress them, take them out, pay for them, do all the work in sex, where's the empathy from them over this 'gap'? And then on top of that they expect you to put special effort into getting them off? Lol, nah. Keep at it, king.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:41 AM
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It is a flex. It's repaying the selfishness of women in kind. That would be its own satisfaction. Further, women are far more hard work than men are to get off, and usually just starfish without any effort anyway. Also I just saw this post. Women cannot fathom what it's like to actually have pressure on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:39 AM
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And yet supposedly a lot of men are like that and don't bother to get them off, hence the orgasm gap. You love to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:37 AM
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And yet women are incredibly selfish. Tell me, when did you last take the initiative, pursue the man, ask him out on a date, plan the date, pay for him? (If you did disregard, extremely rare + based woman). Men who are selfish in bed are simply matching the typical selfishness of the woman they're with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:36 AM
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Damn whoever said that must be very intelligent indeed. 200 IQ I reckon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:33 AM
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'I can call my mom to come clean for u if u need' If only women were as accepting of gender roles that they happily try to force on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:32 AM
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It does work as it's an analogy and not literally comparing two things. That is the purpose of analogies. 'For women, dating is like playing soccer with no goalies in the net' 'Um... but in dating you don't run across grass? This analogy doesn't work' ... The point is that the constant rejection and poor treatment will turn anyone bitter and resentful. It's just even just 'not being attracted to', it's actively treating them like shit. And worse, they can't just admit the looks are the problem, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:28 AM
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However, when you come to the internet and start blaming people for not choosing you and saying they’re all shallow, don’t know what they like, any normal person is not going to be that receptive to that. It’s not going to make them more attracted to you. If anything it turns them off even more unless you personally like being berated Yes, well, I'm not posting the things I do here thinking you're going to ask me out on a date. It's simply venting and trying to get through to people. If people h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:22 AM
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they said I don’t put any effort into dating and expect him to do all the work? Yes (please no punish, jannies). The question they're answering is asking them why they don't pursue men and expect them to do everything. This is how absurdly entitled and narcissistic women often are. They expect men to do all the work, fulfil their gender roles, and then have the audacity to complain when anything is expected of them. They see themselves as super special princesses, the prize, and men as the low v…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:13 AM
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I'm sorry but when it comes to dating it's like asking poor people to care about billionaires. That's the difference. Femcels are not real and all women can easily get dates. Being a male and having to go through the humiliation ritual of pursuing women and living up to their demands is as dehumanising as it gets. And women have no empathy for what they put men through.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:03 AM
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Why, for pointing out reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:54 PM
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Apparently it's against the rules to discuss specific posts but I swear to you that what I just said is not even an exaggeration and was literally - literally - what women were posting in a thread about it yesterday. In any case, selfishness is not unique to men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:52 PM
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Obligatory. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:51 PM
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Women on here be like 'yeah I don't approach men, I don't put any effort into dating, I expect him to pay for me, I expect him to do all the work... why wouldn't I? I'm the prize and can get away with it'. You don't see this and instead choose to betray your own gender with such rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:48 PM
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You have internalised misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:44 PM
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You are the one victim blaming. You refuse to admit the supreme importance of looks and insist that anyone who doesn't do well must be held back by their personality. The stat about 80% btw comes from OkCupid data and is on this collage along with various other things of relevance. Looks > money > status >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality (practically irrelevant, but always the first three prioritised even if the man in question is evil)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:40 PM
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They do not generally say that looks don't matter at all. But what they do say is that personality is the most important thing and often say that women don't care that much about looks. Then in reality what do we see? Men who are awful people but handsome do incredibly well with women, and men who are ugly but kind do badly (they refuse to admit this obvious truth and will start claiming that any such kind man must secretly be evil).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:37 PM
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'I really want a short, fat, bald guy,' said no woman ever. Women's preferences are incredibly narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:35 PM
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There won't be a second date, but at least now she knows the difference between the red pill and black pill and what the stats say about hypergamy. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:24 PM
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I've tried and failed to do that. I don't think most men are capable of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:18 PM
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If you were horrifically abused and oppressed but chose to put up with it so you could continue to live, or maybe because they rewarded you with less abuse if you put up with it, I guess that's fine and not worth complaining about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:15 PM
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Idk what you're talking about, it's women who constantly go on about it and dress up like that in their little protests and stuff. Again, if you don't think it's possible, let them know. And Trump isn't a fascist and it's impossible for the USA to become fascist according to you, so tell people to stop whining about that also.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:21 PM
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That's the most sickening part of it. Men are much more strongly programmed to desire and love women than the other way around, with women being more transactional and less caring about men. So men are caught between a rock and a hard place and have to choose between two awful scenarios. Also, men are still disadvantaged even ignoring dating specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:19 PM
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Except that's not what I'm saying at all. You're saying 'something that happened before can't happen now'. Therefore, the USA cannot become fascist, and women's rights apparently can't become worse than ever, as seen in the Handmaid's Tale. (It also means the Nazi party cannot possibly gain power in Germany in the 1930s, the Weimar republic will live forever!)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:17 PM
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We live in a gynocracy focused largely on the benefit of women. Men are tools, jesters that have to toil away to impress women, pursuing them, paying for them, performing humiliation rituals in the hope the woman will consider him a worthy human whilst she lounges back like a queen entertaining a long line of peasants bearing gifts. At all times, men are considered cheap, abundant, low value, the woman is the prize and only she has value. To be even seen as worthy, the man has to simultaneously …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:09 PM
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Don't compare yourself to white people, then, whenever talking about injustices. Is that fair? It's entirely reasonable for me to compare myself to more privileged groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:04 PM
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Coz women are never saddled with unfair gender roles right? In 2026? Not really, no. You want our empathy then when you dont get what you want the first instinct seems to be reversal of women rights so we wouldn't have a choice. Pointing out that you graciously choose not to only emphasises that. Women are privileged and gloat about us living in a gynocracy. It's only men who care about the rights of women, there's no empathy in the other direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:03 PM
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So you're happy to have most of your rights stripped away to go back to a more natural hierarchy? Great!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:58 PM
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Great, then tell that to all the women who complain about the leader and his party being 'fascists' and think we're going to enter the Handmaid's Tale.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:56 PM
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Do you acknowledge that this isn't true for women and an asshole, broke, ugly woman still has no issue, which is why you almost never see such people here who have the problems men do? I see no reason to believe these types of women exist that don't care about all three (LMS) at once and especially the fantasy that there are women who would trade all of them for personality. Where's your evidence of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:51 PM
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What do you mean? Currently, men are expected to fulfil horrific gender roles and jester for women, whilst women hold all the power and do not have to fulfil any of their own gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:48 PM
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Essentially, yes. People gain emancipation because of the empathy of the dominant group that defeats the subset of that group which has no empathy for the plight of the ones they're oppressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:47 PM
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No. But I live under capitalism where the strongest/most fortunate rise to the top, most brutally affecting men who weren't born genetically gifted, whilst having been distorted to help certain weaker groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:45 PM
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You know full well dating apps are even worse and the women there are even more shallow if anything. You say it's usually personality (actually, you never concede in any discussion that looks may be the problem), but have no reason to believe that, it's just you being out of touch and having female privilege... do you think any man would see your obsessive, negative posting on this place and think you have a good personality? No. But it doesn't matter, because you're a woman and therefore never …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:39 PM
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No. It is ALWAYS the go-to assumption, no matter what. You people NEVER even for a moment consider that things outside their control may be the main problem. The response is just gaslighting and victim blaming. It's like if someone went on reddit and was really angry and upset about someone who just walked up to them and punched them for no reason, and all the responses are like 'ummm... you must'ved done something to warrant that... plus your post here is REALLY angry and whiny, huge red flag, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:35 PM
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No, of course we can't work alone, but thankfully there's many normal rational men who are willing to help. And that's the only reason you have the privileged position you currently do in society, because men are overly empathetic towards women. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:27 PM
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Feminism only serves to sow chaos and resentment between the sexes. Women have rights by the good grace and empathy of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:26 PM
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That's already how it is, for the most part. The hierarchy is distorted to some extent mainly due to empathy men have for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:24 PM
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We are able to currently in every society. We just graciously choose not to do so. So what is your point? Should western society follow in afghanistan's footsteps because metoo went too far or something? When it comes to male issues or the unfair gender roles that we are saddled with, the female response is basically, 'lol oh well, maybe try harder to please women?', but somehow we're expected to have eternal empathy for women and not only look out for our own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:23 PM
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With different consequences. For women - none. For men - being alone until death.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:10 PM
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Good point. Honestly, maybe deliberately not getting them off is a sort of victory and satisfaction in itself, after putting up with all their bullshit. I totally understand why men would do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:06 AM
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the audacity of me not wanting to date a man that doesn't do anything, It's not men who do that. The person you responded to openly admitted THEY didn't want to do anything - 'why would you?' - indeed, why would you if you can get men to do everything for you, but apparently they're the lazy ones. You then described how it's unacceptable if a man feels he has any self-worth or value, always seeing yourself as the prize in a narcissistic fashion. I truly don't understand how people can just... ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:56 AM
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It has nothing to do with social ineptitude and your constant anti-male stance is tiresome. You, if truthful, are obviously a Chad or wealthy, don't extrapolate your experience to everyone else. 'More meaningful' lmao the equivalent for you would be if you had dozens of women throwing themselves at you everywhere you went and you chose the best ones without having to put in ANY work, you have it way worse than any woman, let alone an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:48 AM
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It's good that you openly admit how much the male gender role sucks and in turn how privileged women are to not have to deal with such burdens. Extremely selfish behaviour, of course, and perhaps the most hypocritical thing I've seen in my life to accuse men of being lazy after admitting that you want them to do all the work. Imagine if a post about why men sometimes don't work to give women orgasms in sex they're just like: Few reasons: If you already got your orgasm without putting any effort …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:42 AM
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What reality? Your definition of laziness is 'not doing literally everything whilst I do nothing at all' and you still have the audacity to complain about it or act like the man is doing something wrong. And then in another post you talk in a manipulative and honestly psychopathic manner about how you exploit their upbringing, expectations, gender roles to 'get them to do what you want' or whatever. This is what passes for blue pill these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:29 AM
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Yeah, and they're quite open about it as well, how nice it is to be in that role, to be the prize, to be able to expect men to do all the work, and yet they somehow still pretend that they're not privileged, still whine about men and how hard women supposedly have it, etc. Incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:25 AM
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It's truly mind boggling to imagine people reading the responses in this thread and not coming to the conclusion that women live life on ultra easy mode, never having to put in any effort into anything. Maddeningly, they somehow find a way to accuse MEN of being lazy in the SAME POST. Impressive levels of audacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:21 AM
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Men are SO lazy, not like us women who openly admit in the same breath to not wanting to ever have to put in any effort and wanting them to always do everything. And ugh, this man thought he had any value? Doesn't he realise I'M the super special snowflake princess? How dare he! Truly fascinating insights into the mentality of female narcissism and entitlement...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:16 AM
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Easier said than done brother
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:06 AM
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males have high standards for relationships, but not casual sex hook ups. I wish this were true but men just have low standards across the board. When have you everrrrrr seen a man making the sort of demands women do? I can only imagine Chad doing that. 'You must make six figures,' said no man ever... 'you must have a masters degree,' said no man ever... 'you must be below 5 ft 2,' said no man ever... hell, men don't even usually make demands of their political orientation or anything. Really ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:40 AM
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Women are so narcissistic they believe that the problem is 95% of men and not their own standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:26 AM
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WARNING: For anyone who missed it, this is a u/LillthOfBabylon post. Your mistake is framing it as though it's possible to avoid. It's akin to trying to avoid men who want lots of sex or something... very difficult to do, as that's just what men are like. It's similarly difficult to avoid women who care first and foremost about looks, money, and status above all else, even if the man's personality or morals are terrible. Do men like being people around who can't trust to tell you things because …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:16 AM
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So your future wife has to pay for the fact that you took other women on dates? If she is complicit in demanding unfair gender roles of men, she deserves to be saddled with gender roles as well. If she is an extraordinarily rare woman that isn't hypocritical and fights back against gender roles, asked me out and/or wanted to split the date, didn't demand I make twice her income, etc., then I would have no problem doing equal housework and such. But such women are either rare or possibly don't ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:53 AM
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Firstly, men are expected to pay even amongst the youngest, most progressive demographics. Secondly, it's not just 'one date', it's various, and the man will be going on dates with various women. And he has to pursue her which is incredibly burdensome and challenging and basically act like a jester desperate to please her whilst she does nothing. You also ignored how women still demand men are richer and higher status than the woman is. In other words, women demand equality and then do not want …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:33 AM
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Delusional. Women swipe right on 5% of men because their standards are insanely high.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:18 AM
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Since I am happy being single, If this is genuinely true, you are very lucky. Life would be SO much better for men if more men were like you. Because we're so desperate, women get away with being mediocre whilst demanding greatness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:17 AM
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What are you talking about, geniunely? Men are still expected to pursue women, be the ones who plan dates, pay for them, earn more than the woman, be higher status than her. Standard male gender roles. The gender roles for women, meanwhile, are fading away and are actively fought against. Like I said, the vast majority of women who say this are women who have been in serious long term relationships or married. This is not coming from the evil villain feminists who hate men and don't want kids yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:14 AM
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Women care about looks too and are far, far pickier about them than men. Only women make all sorts of absurd demands about men needing to be specific heights, etc. Men are far more varied in their tastes. Men find most women attractive, women find 80% of men below average. And then, on top of that, they add further superficiality by adding wealth and status demands on top of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:09 AM
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Blatant misandry. You wisely escaped the horrors of male gender roles and having to face such bigotry, opting for the easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:07 AM
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based
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:03 AM
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Where are your studies? Most people want relationships, and find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:59 AM
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It doesn't make any sense either way. Men are expected to do more than ever before in terms of behaviour. They have all the same gender roles as ever, whilst women hypocritically demand their own gender roles are taken away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:56 AM
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Sadly this won't happen. And if you, as an indvidual, do it, then it'll just make things worse for you. You can only afford to be picky like a woman if you're a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:53 AM
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Overweight is very different from severely obese. No one looks good at that point. But men have absolutely no standards a lot of the time, sadly..
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:52 AM
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Spot on. It's a shame men tolerate this and continue to jester for women and accept such a humiliating role, putting up with their unreasonable demands, which ruins it for everyone. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:50 AM
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Chad over here. It's not the experience of the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:45 AM
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They are maybe complaining about lack of good options And that's the point of OP, that women's demands are unreasonable and unwarranted, expecting men to be special and meet requirements whilst the woman in question is mediocre. this in itself shows that women have greatly more to offer men than the other way around. No, it just shows men have reasonable standards and aren't narcissistic and arrogant like women who think they deserve men who are better than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:43 AM
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Yeah, so would all humans dying. It'd be catastrophic for society, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:38 AM
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Men would love to take the pill and not be at the mercy of women forcing them to become fathers and pay child support against their will. It is a huge privilege that women get such things and men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:38 AM
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Sadly it doesn't work that way for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:33 AM
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Men do not get the luxury of not caring what women think, unless they want to be alone. They have to sign up to their enforced gender roles and the exacting demands of women and accept this humiliating jester role. Your advice is good for women, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:32 AM
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Fair. kek, thought you were going to be reasonable for a moment. Instead you get needlessly personal when you're unable to effectively argue your point. Despite you constantly misunderstanding my simple points and parroting the same lines over and over again earlier, I didn't sink to such levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:57 AM
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your collage is not real data unlike this https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9905556/? It is real data, women find the majority of men unattractive. You can't deny the clear reality that it's women who make the most demands of men regarding things they can't control like height, men don't get to be so picky. which shows men have much more agreement on what is attractive (inter rate agreement of .5 for men vs women’s .25) than women which means women have 2 times more variance in what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:51 AM
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To see that and read "You said it barely exists" is very telling. Um, so it exists in different areas of the world which aren't relevant to us? Okay... There is a pattern in this subreddit where guys who are the most vocal about not needing to work on themselves show the most glaring flaws. No amount of work would fix what holds me back, it's of no relevance. The point remains that you never tell women to work on themselves, because they never need to put effort in, you always see everything as …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:33 AM
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Statistics prove women orgasm far less than [men], and most women dont orgasm during hookups. If everywhere's smelling like shit, check your shoe. You did previously, or were you just typing just to type? In a seperate conversation? This is a different topic. That's not what I said. This is another thing for a man to work on: Language comprehension. You said it barely exists, which is a very good thing to admit. You often inadvertently admit things that counter popular bluepill claims, it's nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:21 AM
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What are these unrealistic beauty standards? Famously, men will have sex with anything that moves. They swipe right on most profiles, women on 5%. They don't make demands like women do of men needing to be a certain height. They find most women attractive. Please consult the collage. In addition, men's tastes are very wide, no pun intended. You see, some men actively pursue 'BBWs' or prefer flat-chested women, or unusually tall women, and so on. On the other hand, no women ever says, 'you know w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:16 AM
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The only women you seem to know are extremely superficial. If everywhere's smelling like shit, check your shoe. You sure love saying this. When women complain about men being selfish in bed or only valuing them for sex or whatever else, and men blame them for choosing the wrong men, what do you say in those cases? Because you guys keep wanting to be around superficial women, which says alot about your own morals. I don't even see the relevance of this, how did you shoehorn this into the conversa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:10 AM
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judge us entirely by appearance and force unrealistic beauty standards on us God, I wish this were true and not the complete opposite of reality. Men have extremely low standards and an extremely wide range of tastes whereas women have extremely narrow and exacting demands. Go on a dating app, do you see countles profiles saying 'must be DD cup size or don't bother swiping right', 'must be under 5 ft 2', etc? No. That sort of thing is only done by women, who are far more picky about looks than m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:59 AM
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I wish women would reflect on why it's literally only ever men who are told to work on themselves or why people feel the need to tell them to be themselves. It's because they alone do not get the luxury of going through life in a carefree fashion simply being. Women get to just be themselves and don't face problems as a result of that, and do not face enormous pressure to conform to male standards, so they give this sort of naive advice to men like a boomer telling their grandchild to go into th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:52 AM
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I am not a femcel because I don’t believe femcels are a real thing. Incel means involuntarily celibate and any woman who is celibate is only doing so voluntarily therefore the term isn’t real. Blackpill is the belief that your life is predetermined by your genes which I believe is true Extremely based and true. Femcels do not and will never exist. The rest is odd. Surely almost everyone believes that you're not gonna be a doctor if you're stupid, or that heart disease isn't something you can fix…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:49 AM
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Most of which are far more common in women, of course. Porn brain for men is just watching attractive women get banged, for women it's bizarre monsters and dark triad billionaire books. Women are famously hypergamous and expect men to earn more and be higher status than them instead of an equal partnership, all whilst expecting men to take the lead, pursue them, plan dates, etc., so overall far closer to wanting a parent, in general they're just very lazy when it comes to dating and expect men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:44 AM
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So you're not going to explain why you think Christianity or indeed conservativism is more bluepilled? You said it lends itself more to simping, but that's a bit vague, and as I said it also lends itself more to gender roles including male leadership which is more redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:36 AM
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Looks > money > status from what I've seen. Personality maybe a distant fourth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:33 AM
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The 'horrible personalities' are often the result of a life of misfortune due to the way we were born and subsequently treated. Regardless, personalities aren't even in the top 3 most important things for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:04 AM
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Incels have extremely low standards and are vocal about it. In the past, 'femcel' subreddits have been locked down when they were overwhelmed with incels asking them out on dates. It's only right to point out how much less picky men are than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:59 PM
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Thanks. Gardening is such a great hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:54 PM
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Lola Young, Adele when she was fat.. probably other examples.. The real barrier is nepotism, Lola Young being related to one of the most successful authors in the UK. Taylor Swift having her rich daddy buy her a record deal, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:53 PM
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Over the last year I've collected a bunch of different fruit plants, focusing on rare/unusual berries like pink blueberries, yellow raspberries, and tayberries and Japanese wineberries, etc. They're mostly starting to flower/grow fruit now. Hopefully I get a good crop over the summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:44 PM
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That's nothing, the women here are able to know that it's your personality and not your looks that are the problem with your dating troubles. Incredible powers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:42 PM
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How old are you that you think those guys who are clearly in their 20s are 'old'? They're also clearly very good looking, male-model tier men. But the fact that they're not good looking enough for you is really not helping the blue pill cause and just shows how insane women's standards are. I mean, the OP obviously doesn't look 10% as good as them and you're pretending elsewhere that it's his personality when even these guys are too ugly for you. Here's one final one, fake as well ofc. edit: can…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:59 PM
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Because the text in those screenshots are way too small for the bubbles theyre in. It looks fake. No they're not, it's completely standard comparing to any other tinder message. Here's another one for you that must be fake cause you don't like what it shows. Also maybe its just my personal opinion but those guys arent even hot. They look old and douchey. Lol, even Chad isn't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:52 PM
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Ugh, trite rubbish suitable for a children's book, but not real life. Blue pillers here refuse to consider the possibility that it could be looks that are the primary thing holding people back, and no amount of personality can make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:49 PM
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If you are treated like shit all your life for something out of your control, you will inevitably become upset or resentful of it, it's a normal response, and you will want to vent about it. People like you then blame these people for it, even though the reason they're this way is because of how they were treated in teh first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:47 PM
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You refuse to even consider that the primary issue could be his looks. It's victim blaming, simple as. Imagine someone posted a thread about being bullied or treated badly because of their ethnicity or any other characteristic and were really upset about it, and all the replies were 'uhhh they just treated you badly because of how miserable you are dude, I can sense the insecurity in your writing! maybe try being more upbeat and respectful?' when OBVIOUSLY the reason they're upset and miserable …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:46 PM
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because they'll lift you up. Idk about that, it's women who tend to lift eachother up and men are more critical of eachother from what I've seen
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:40 PM
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We have always admitted that looks mattered. But men called us shallow for seeking men we find attractive It's not shallow to care about looks. It's shallow to care about that (and money, status) above all else. Either way, we find personality as the most important thing about a man. That doesn't mean we don't think physical attraction doesn't matter False, as can be seen with good looking men with horrible personalities doing very well with women. yall can't shame us for seeking men we find att…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:38 PM
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And why do you think that? Good looking men can get women easily regardless of their character.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:36 PM
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Such men are sad because of how they treated for being ugly. It's silly to pretend that they are unsuccessful because they're sad. It's confusing the order.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:24 PM
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Which would instantly work if he were Chad, as has been shown countless times. It's looks, money, status. And what you are doing is indeed gaslighting and, frankly, victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:14 PM
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There's that magic jedi sixth sense again that somehow stops working when men are abusive or whatever. Here's your personality bruh Excellent personality Personality so good it's simply off the scale! I will never understand why women can't just admit the supreme importance of looks, money, status.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:13 PM
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You know how when it's raining the ground gets wet? It's actually the wet ground that causes the rain. This is the mentality of a blue piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:10 PM
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If you go onto any thread where men are struggling the reason they can’t get a single solitary woman interested in them IS because of their personality, effort etc. the reason we know it’s not just looks is because ugly poor men have women all the time. Ugly poor men being successful with women only happens in your head and TV shows. Though even if there were rare cases of it, it doesn't mean much. It's like saying 'Oh you think racism holds you back? Well, look at this rich black guy I found'. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:53 PM
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Women on here be like 'I've never seen this before' to the most commonplace things ever. A 2021 sociology‑oriented article on morality in the sex‑toy market shows that norms around toys are highly gendered: women’s use is increasingly framed as “self‑care” and “pleasure‑oriented,” whereas men’s use is more often pathologized or associated with loneliness, incompetence, or deviance. A new study published in The Journal of Sex Research has found that men who use sexual technology are viewed with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:11 PM
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They will chase Chad. But otherwise, yes, women hypocritically expect men to fulfil their gender roles whilst crying if they're ever expected to fulfil theirs. The job analogy is a good one, it's a humilation ritual for men, much like going for a job requiring 10 years experience for an entry-level position.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:30 PM
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In what way is Christianity or conservativism bluepilled? I guarantee that the vast majority of people who tag themselves blue pill are libs, and the vast majority who tag as red pill are conservative. Conservative men are often the ones who most strongly believe in gender roles like paying for women on dates and being a provider anyway, something blue pillers often reject, idk why you think blue pillers are the only simps. Stereotypically, it also has stuff in the bible about women submitting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:24 PM
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I see you continue to say that something is rather than explaining why, which is what the question of the OP is. I didn't even mention conservativism btw, presumably you're not if you're bluepill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:43 PM
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Apparently the woman he was married to before thought he was okay to begin with. And the men in question don't mind the women being 'weird liberal losers' or whatever. Women are too picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:36 PM
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He’s ugly as fuck. His money is why he gets laid. His money is why he is desired. On this, we can agree. Where we apparently disagree is how this differs to how they are attracted to men in general. There are three things that women are attracted to: looks, money, and status. He has the latter two, and so women are attracted to him. Also he wasn't that bad looking when he was a bit younger imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:34 PM
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In general there's an air of pervertedness and shame to things like sex dolls or fleshlights, are you really going to pretend otherwise? Meanwhile I see ads for female sex toys on TV.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:33 PM
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Your personality is hurting YOUR chances and improving your personality and effort would help YOU. That is not remotely the same as saying everyone who succeeds has a great personality. It is sound advice to tell someone who isn’t good looking or special in anyway to maximize their personality for the best impact for them If you go on to any thread where a man talks of struggling, the comments are invariably blaming his personality. They imply he is likely a bad person, a misogynist, or somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:27 PM
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He's asking why, though. Why aren't the Christian women immediately pouncing on the attractive husband material Christian man when he's back on the market? And you can't say it's because women take longer to move on or something, because you just agreed to his framing that women end up in relationships quicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:17 PM
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So body count, mainly women get shame, i can't seriously entertain idea of men sluts being shamed. Men are shamed far more harshly for their sexuality, it's just reversed, with them being shamed for not having enough sex, or not being good enough at it. Also far more shamed for it for anything other than literally having sex. Female sex toys = you go girl. Male sex toys = gross, perverted. Porn for women (generally books featuring dark triad billionaires) = cool. Porn for men = bad. I'll give yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:05 PM
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Being a simp is being a desperate, pathetic little toad that grovels at the feet of a woman. Being kind to women is fine. On the contrary, what I see is any woman being remotely nice to men and not performing the anti-male spiel is called a pick-me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:55 PM
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What's shallow about noticing someone is conventionally attractive? Why do you play dumb? That's not what I said. The point is simply that looks are the most important thing, followed by money and status. Personality is basically irrelevant and women are happy to be with the most monstrous of men as long as they're good looking, but like to pretend that they deeply care about morals and that the primary reason incels or whatever are alone is becasue of their personality. By posting this sort of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:27 PM
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Blackpiller: Why is Jeremy Meeks (or other good looking bad people) an exception? Rare honest bluepiller such as you in this case: Because I'm so shallow that personality is utterly inconsequential compared to looks. If you are in the KKK or literally Hitler, I am fine with this if you're good looking Blackpiller: Thank you. The point of bringing him up has now been accomplished. It's like that David Beckham meme where he gets her to admit the truth. But bluepillers almost never do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:15 AM
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Thats exactly what you guys are doing when you bring him up when getting called out on your personality issues. Nope. Not my fault if you aren't capable of understanding this but I will try again: it's only brought up when bluepillers deny the supreme importance of looks and insist it's always the personality that is the problem and never looks. Or them saying that women don't care much about looks and it's men who are shallow, etc. Chris Chan looked like the average guy in his state. But he had…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:11 AM
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Would you not find it audacious that an obese woman is comparing herself to a supermodel? Even though regular overweight weight women are doing just fine.? Who are you guys to compare yourself to Jeremy while the rest of the guys have to make personality work for them and they’re actually putting in the work? If men were as dishonest as women often are and telling her she needs to work on her personality and 'b urself' or work on her confidence or some other nonsense like that, instead of admitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:56 AM
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Men do all of those things in persue of sex, not for the love of women. Obviously absurd and untrue and contradicted by the evidence. But sure, how about this: anything a woman does is for a man's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:47 AM
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Utter nonsense. The only time Jeremy Meeks is brought up is to counter the bluepill nonsense of blaming men's personality for why they can't get laid. It is the go-to argument for bluepillers, it's always 'it's not your looks, it's your personality', so you show them overtly terrible people who get laid even though they're awful people to show the supreme importance of looks. It is an excellent way of showing their hypocrisy and ignorance. Instead of asking why women won't "make an exception" fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:44 AM
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I don't know which of your responses to respond to, you're just responding to everything I've posted here in a shotgun fashion. Yeah, women do live life on easy mode. They don't have to work for things, they're handed to them and men and women both have a bias in favour of women. In this context, though, I'm mainly talking about in dating. Men are expected to pursue, to pay on dates, to prove their worth to women, and women demand that they're higher status, higher earning than them, and have al…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:22 AM
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Men have always been the ones living up to women's entitlement, it's just harder to live up to their standards now as they always demand men are richer and higher status than them whilst apps have also inflated looks requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:03 AM
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Here. It's blatant racism and blatantly unfair and a bad system.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:02 AM
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You'd love your own civilisation until you realised that all the men who do the dirtiest, riskiest jobs aren't around to do them anymore. It's not about homeless people (who, naturally, are overwhelmingly men due to 'male privilege'), it's about hypergamy, it's about demanding that men are always better than you in both income and status whilst also having high requirements for looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:59 AM
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Who invites people out on dates? Men. Who is expected to do grand romantic gestures? Men. Who cares more about being with the opposite gender? Evidently, men, as the women here will routinely admit. Men are the romantic gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:51 AM
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The majority, sure. But: A reasonable estimate is about 10% to 15% of women have never had an orgasm at all, including by themselves. MedlinePlus and other medical sources give that range, while some sources cite figures around 1 in 5, but the more conservative medical estimate is 10% to 15% That's still a crazy number. That's how hard it is to get off some women, they can't even do it themselves. Now imagine all the women who can get off but it's still a lot of work to do it just how they need …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:50 AM
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If you independently arrived at them, why do you use the exact same verbiage and talking points? I invented it all. I'm John Blackpill. In any case, you talk like the other women here too. All women don't want the exact same type of man. So all men wouldn't want the exact same type of woman. They generally do: looks, money, status. Good looks (often a fixation on the same traits like height), money (richer than the woman), status (higher status than the woman). Men are a lot more diverse in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:37 AM
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Idk, probably some issue with straight women specifically. Probably more equality in lesbian relationships also, they can't just expect the man to do all the work and have all the pressure on him to perform like in straight sex. A significant portion of women haven't been able to achieve orgasm even on their own, which is insane. Shows how hard some women are that even they can't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:29 AM
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I independently arrived at these views. If other men happen to share them, good for them. It just shows how truthful it is, because men go through life experiencing it and see for themselves that it's true. I don't think most women would like it if all men were demanding that they conform to their exact high standards and treated them like subhumans if they were over a certain height or didn't have a specific hip-to-waist ratio, etc. And they just can't do it anyway. Any man who has the high sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:25 AM
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Sure, arranged marriages were part of it but women also just naturally desire the richest/highest status men anyway. 60% of men historically did not reproduce, and their gender roles were far harsher. Hypergamy absolutely exists and is found in every single society on Earth. Even in the most gender egalitarian countries like Norway, women still specifically pursue men who are higher status and richer than them. It does not change when they're high-earners either, it's just how women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:11 AM
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This is not the first time I've been compared to Eeyore by someone from here... I like Eeyore. He's based. He has the right attitude. It's just the truth, men can't suddenly make demands of women like they do of men, it doesn't work that way. But if all men did, women would suddenly understand what it's like. I can picture it now... they open up Tinder on their phone.. wtf? Every man is demanding that they're under 5 ft 2? They MUST have 'at least DD cupsize or don't bother swiping right'? What …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:07 AM
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'Where are all the good men? Why are men such trash?', a common refrain I see from women unable to find men who meet their exacting demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:59 PM
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That never happened, women have always been hypergamous and chosen the top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:58 PM
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Men are the romantic gender and care far more about women than vice versa, this is evidently clear. To stay alone as a man is often seen as a fate worse than death. In part this is probably because men are shamed aggressively for not living up to the standards of women, most things men are insulted for are to do with not getting sex, not being good at sex, not getting women, etc. Women can't understand that experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:57 PM
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Almost no man asks for that. On the contrary, women demand that men earn more than them, have higher status, are good looking, and pursue them whilst paying for them on dates and fulfilling their gender roles, and then if there's even the hint of a gender role expectation on the woman at any point, they get angry and say how unfair it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:55 PM
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Telling men to be picky is like telling a homeless man to demand he only stays at the Ritz and eats at Michelin star restaurants. You can say it all you want, but it's not realistic. Being picky is a luxury reserved for women (and Chads).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:54 PM
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It worked out with a grossly unfair situation that discriminates against people based on race, with far lower scores necessary for some to enter medical school and such, a disaster all-round, glad it's finally getting pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:52 PM
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Some women enjoy being denied, oddly. Also, you say 'inept' but the reason that this doesn't happen the other way around is just that women's bodies are kinda broken and they're often very hard to get off whilst men are easy, it's not simply ineptitude. All the pressure and expectation is on the man anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:49 PM
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What is considered creepy is not dependent on the words, but rather on who utters them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:47 PM
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All women are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:29 PM
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Well, he's objectively a very popular streamer who millions watch, who makes like 100k a week, who has a significant influence. Boys watch him and see all the women drooling over him. Maybe your son is naturally good looking and doesn't need to worry about it. Clavicular just makes quite common sense observations, for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:16 PM
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They'll grow out of it when women stop wanting men like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:13 PM
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It's not victim blaming. That's not what victim blaming is. 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:03 PM
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I think he said infertile not impotent, he can still bang and does very easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:50 PM
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it's not a real problem to be an afterthought in life? does a wnba player have the same ceiling as an NBA one? a female ceo? Men are inherently more athletic and people wish to watch their sports more. Female CEOs do fine. is the ceiling for what women can accomplish anywhere close to what men can? Yes, and they often have a far easier time getting there with DEI policies, scholarships, and so on. and how do you define "seeing someone as a human being"? Men without status/money/looks are invisib…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:13 PM
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"Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or wrongful act is held entirely or partially responsible for the harm that befell them" Men are often the victims of the wrongful acts of how society treats them and the expectations placed on them which results in their suffering. They are then blamed for it instead of people admitting it's out of their control.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:10 PM
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in an "i can fuck way more people right now if i want" way, sure women have it easier yep in a long term "wow, nobody gives a shit about what i do; i don't even have the potential to be more than a footnote" way, they have it pretty fucking hard lol, not real problems. Also not really true, people still respect them if they accomplish great things, the only difference is men don't demand that they are high status to see them as human beings like they do with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:59 PM
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Many men are victims of a society that brutally judges them based on their looks, money and status. Much of this is out of their control, and results in some men being alone. People deny this and pretend that it's their own fault, that they must work on their personality or some nonsense (despite awful, misogynistic/racist etc men often doing well if they're handsome), this is victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:57 PM
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If that’s what men and boys are doing, then the male sex is fucked beyond recovery Yep, it's not their fault though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:46 PM
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Women don't understand how easy they have it not needing to work for anything and actually being desired in a way almost no men are. Clavicular's looks still help him enormously though and he can get laid whenever he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:45 PM
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And he’s actively made a fool of himself. God, I wish I could make such a fool of myself by earning more in a week than most people do in a year, whilst getting lots of women easily. The general perception is weirded out fascination or pity People say this because they don't want to admit what he really demonstrates. But men and boys are seeing it for what it really is and taking notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:39 PM
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If you want to pay women to pretend to like you go ahead. Who’s stopping you? Not being rich is stopping me. Also, the idea that all the women who aproach him and like him, or any rich good looking man, are all doing it because they're paid, is silly. Though it is kind of true in a roundabout way, and not really any different from organic relationships of women seeking men due to their wealth/status, they're all essentially looking to be paid if you think about it. You want to have a mental brea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:20 PM
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None of that matters, as women still flock to men like him due to him being good looking and rich. He will continue to serve as a role model for millions of men who fail to attract women using standard advice peddled about 'personality' or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:17 PM
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It's not pathetic to do whatever it takes to succeed. And he rightly points out the importance of looks. And he's rewarded greatly for it and can easily get women whenever he wants. of all the criticisms red pill has of women, they are guilty of the same and just jealous that "looksmaxxing" (ugh, again with the ridiculous terms lol) doesn't work as well for men Of course they're jealous, women live life on easy mode and don't have to work for anything. Looksmaxxing still makes sense if you can p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:12 PM
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You mentioned victim blaming. I said that such victim blaming is a nice change from the usual sort of victim blaming that takes place, which is regarding romantically unsuccessful men. It doesn't need to relate to the kind you were talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:10 PM
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You can pretend that rich, good looking men aren't successful with women if you want. But we both know it's obviously not true. I wish I was so 'pathetic'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:09 PM
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They blame them by telling them it's their personality or some nonsense for why they're alone instead of accepting that some people are just unlucky and cannot live up to the ever-rising demands of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:03 PM
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Getting sexual access to someone is a privilege, I'm glad you framed it this way. Because yes, exactly - and you know who has a dramatically easier time getting sexual access, and who is never told they have to do x y z to be better and prove their worth? Women. They have this privilege; they are the privileged gender that never has to work for anything. Blackpilled men have accepted being alone, that's the point of it, they don't think there's any hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:59 PM
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As a woman, you have a huge amount of privilege and cannot understand how difficult it is to be a man. As a result. It is not reasonable for you to tell less privileged people to stop whining about their difficulties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:55 PM
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so many is .3 percent? yep, that's still a lot of people on a population level. Also that's just virgins by 44, if you lower the threshold to having had sex but still being lonely and romantically unsuccessful, it'd be a lot higher. This is what I’m talking about. Pillers can believe the lies all they want. But the truth is 99.7 percent are gonna figure it out The fact most have had sex at least once by 44 doesn't mean they've 'figured it out'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:48 PM
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Makes a nice change from the victim blaming of always blaming the romantically unsuccessful men for their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:45 PM
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And then he got loads of female attention in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:43 PM
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There will always be losers, yes, because life is unfair and many men will never be desirable. There's not much they can do about that. It's not lies. Nothing wrong with Clav doing it for money etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:25 PM
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and when most average people think of red pill, eliott rodger is the posterboy. He was blackpill, not redpill. Stolen valour. Also, the posterboy is now Clavicular, who is constantly being interviewed and featured everywhere in huge publications. 100% there will be untold men and boys being influenced by him and becoming redpilled or blackpilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:23 PM
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Clavicular is very successful with women and in general. He's everywhere right now, and untold millions of little boys are being influenced by him and will grow up with the concepts he's promoting. They will see him and see that everything he says works, and is what women actually want despite what you claim in posts like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:20 PM
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You're the one choosing to come to this subreddit and engage with it. The media and society at large is constantly handwringing over it. We don't need to try to 'stay relevant' as everyone else is constantly whining about us. As you also demonstrate, what constitutes your worth, if you're a loser, is if you are success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:18 PM
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Yes, here you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:37 PM
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An athletic, trained woman will be weaker than a sedentary man. The idea that a woman would take a fit man in a fight because she's trained in some meme martial art is a joke. No chance. Have you ever fought a woman and came even close to being challenged? It's not the same as a small man vs a large man, the gap is far larger. The pro USA female soccer team has lost, several times, to teams of 14-year-old boys, that's the sort of gap we're talking about in athleticism between men (or even boys) …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:07 AM
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I actually don’t have sex outside of marriage 🤷🏼‍♀️ based. Unfortunately you are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:20 AM
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I don't believe in all that, I'm afraid. If I woke up as a woman tomorrow I'd be happy with it, even though I do not think I am a woman currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:23 AM
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Easier said than done, that ship sailed a long time ago. It doesn't require 'touching grass' anyway. Your anecdotal experience doesn't cancel out all the evidence. In fact, if I had a bunch of anecdotal evidence that backed up my point you would be arguing the totally opposite point and saying my experience was rare, or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:12 AM
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I never said men do not face discrimination as well, but that "women have easier lives in general" is an insane take - which it is. It requires cherry picking and denial. No, it doesn't. Women live life on easy mode which is why I'd be happy to be one. Real question though - do you, in fact, live in a cave, with most of your human interactions being on the internet, and most of them in blackpill spaces I essentially do yes, but not only on blackpill spaces. I look at the evidence and see how muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:06 AM
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Insane take. You have to live in a cave to have that opinion. I used to think that way too, it's indoctrinated into you from birth so you naturally come to believe it. It takes some effort to overcome this delusion. But the truth is we live in a gynocracy which is extremely anti-male. It's weird how anti-sex a lot of people are here, always saying it like being able to get easy access to sex isn't a big deal, not understanding how awful it is to go through life never being valued or desired like…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:57 AM
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And my point is that the reason you can't "pull it off" is that contrary to transmaxxers, you're not a trans woman. They are. Nah it's just because I wouldn't pass as a woman. If I thought I could I might go for it. truth is - transitioning, for most trans people, comes with both the advantages and the discrimination of the other sex. Yeah, but women have easier lives in general so I see far less complaints there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:45 AM
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Not really. Women who fall for the idea from men that sex is needed to start a relationship end up sleeping with 50 men just to get to the 1 that actually didn’t just want sex. ?? At some point you will need to sleep with them. It's not the 1950s anymore (sadly) so you can't just string them along for ages. Also, having sex is not an advantage for women. Women take all of the risks of being physically hurt, higher risk of STI transmission, and risk of pregnancy. Having men grabbing you all of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:43 AM
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Step 0. you were born ugly/short/whatever or have other problems with your looks outside your control Step 1. get a useful degree Step 2. go to the gym and get a haircut (rip if you already went bald or something) Step 3. It doesn't matter because getting rich is still extremely hard from this, and the gym can't overcome certain genetic limitations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:40 AM
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Trans men also report having it better (being valued and listened to more, being deemed funnier, ...) Doubt. I've heard various accounts of how hard it is after they transition and are no longer treated as well. If I thought I could pull it off, I would strongly consider transmaxxing. I'm a man though, always will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:35 AM
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'Just become a rich handsome man bro' This is simply not possible for most people. Transitioning is substantially easier than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:33 AM
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Shame, I thought you were serious as it is a legitimately good option if you can pull it off. I do not believe I would be affected at all by hormones positively or negatively mentally, I am not attached to being a male or whatever, I do not 'feel' male or female, I just am a male. If I woke up tomorrow a woman, I would have no problem with it. In fact, I'm sure I would be happy as my life would become a lot easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:32 AM
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Sex is what often leads to relationships, women have it much easier getting sex AND getting relationships, they are the ones with all the standards. Also, sex itself is important even outside of dating, it's a huge privilege they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:29 AM
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Not necessarily. Straight men have incredibly low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:28 AM
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Famously, women are incredibly stoic and never display emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:24 AM
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And feminists usually call out women who hate men, in the name of feminism. lmao. In what universe? Feminism is just man-hating with extra steps. How would MGTOW even conceptually be 'healthy', and how would women not be at fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:23 AM
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Well when you put it like that, maybe you have a point. Sounds like the sort of thing that should flair you as red pill tho
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:02 PM
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If you don't think groups can suffer from half of the population having extremely negative, bigoted views of them and constantly being subjected to such dehumanisation, idk what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:15 PM
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Well, men in general prefer women to men. As do women. As I linked before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:06 PM
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Well, women often whine about 'misogyny' so a lot of women probably would be if they were compared unfavourably to wild animals. But man-hating things like that are far more common and accepted
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:19 PM
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By that logic, one should choose a bear over women as well. But I don't think women would say that. It was just performative man-hating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:05 PM
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Only men do. Think of any grand romantic gesture... it's literally only men that do it, and women expect to have done to them. It's not women taking men out on dates, they expect to be pursued and swept off their feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:34 PM
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If I were to listen to you I would think we have matriarchy Yes, exactly. I prefer the term gynocracy though, it's a society biased in favour of women that focuses on appeasing them whilst ignoring the problems of men. Not sure what you're getting at, though. Do you deny that the most successful men, billionaires, are often bad people? Do you also deny that they have an infinitely easier time getting laid than a normal man? Yes being Jon toxic is also rewarded by women Jon Toxic, he gets all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:32 PM
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Being bombarded with that sort of hateful dehumanisation is indeed punishing. Women have a very negative view of men a a whole, largely for things only a minority of men have done. And yes, men are too tolerant of it and are also biased in favour of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:29 PM
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Men are the romantic gender and care more about women than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:19 PM
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Yes, it's refreshing for a woman here to admit this. It's looks, money and status above all else. However, I would say personality is a distant fourth, and 1) the type of person who does the best under capitalism is often not the kindest/nicest type of person but they are nonetheless rewarded the most because women care more about money and status than personality and 2) to some extent women actively want dark triad traits, they actively fantasise about men like that (see: romance books).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:15 PM
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The constant, societally-accepted hatred towards men, exemplified in things such as the man vs bear thing, is an example. It's literally a case of men as a whole being punished for the actions of a minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:12 PM
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You can't logically have a bias against both men and women. Both men and women have a bias in favour of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:10 PM
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It's a particularly extreme example, but indeed a fascinating insight into the female mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:09 PM
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People respond to incentives. Being 'non toxic' is not rewarded by women. Women are the primary enforcers of capitalism and the 'patriarchy' and wish for men to live up to their gender roles and expectations, which includes being dominant, rich, high status, the pursuer, a provider, and so on. The men who are best at achieving this, and rising through the hierarchy in capitalism, are the most ruthless, amoral men who are willing to do whatever it takes to reach the top no matter who gets hurt. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:07 PM
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So you don't believe in withdrawing consent? Noted. You aren't owed a man's permanent loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:36 PM
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just a few criticisms of women and dating that i've heard = "women should choose better, women only date assholes, women only like men with a 6 pack, 6 figures, who is 6 ft, women who will sleep with you on the first date are sluts, women who won't sleep with you on the first date are prudes who used you for a free dinner, thots, hoes, 304s, gold diggers, daddy issues, if you're not a virgin you're not as valuable, women let chads treat them like shit and ignore nice men..." This is a niche crit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:35 PM
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Men do not actively fantasise about being with gold diggers, or seek them out. They'd rather be with women who are not like that. Women, on the other hand, actively want these types of men. The best insight into how women's sexuality works is to see the romantic books they read, and a huge proportion of them feature a (rich) dark triad man. See also: women's obsession with criminals/crime podcasts etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:32 PM
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It takes two to tango. Men are part of the problem but women are happy to see it this way and don't try to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:27 PM
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Are you the same person as before who said this? I had this same converastion a few days ago. Elon Musk has obviously gotten laid a lot, he got the world's most beautiful women like Amber Heard to dress up in sexy video game outfits for him, even. If you're seriously going to pretend he can't get laid just because you dislike him, I don't know what to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:23 PM
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It's been a long time since I've seen a blue piller unironically say 'just b urself', it's nostalgic to see that. You are either better looking than you think, or well-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:21 PM
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Women have always wanted this lol, perhaps even more so than now in the ancient past. 60% of men didn't reproduce in the past, did you know that? Women chose the richest, highest status men. It's always been this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:20 PM
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It is true. Check out my post the other day on this matter. The thread I came across was a random snapshot, no relation to any particular kind of man beyond his interest in doing that to the female main character. And yet... And those women typically already have money of their own. And yet even then they want someone richer than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:47 AM
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I mostly just wear black as a blackpilled man, this is how it should be: you are only allowed to wear red as a red piller, blue as a blue piller, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:40 AM
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Women are infamously hypergamous and seek men who are richer than them. You can also see this in romance books they enjoy, it's almost never a normal man as the love interest, or the female main character who is or becomes rich, no, they most often pursue some billionaire who takes care of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:35 AM
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'it's okay when we have a preference, but when men do it's bad' Ok. Women are conditioned by porn, they just read books about abusive werewolf billionaires instead of traditional porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:34 AM
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To having a preference over the size of a woman's labia? Why is it different? You don't ever call women weirdos for having preferences over any random characteristic of a man's appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:32 AM
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Like the size of his penis, or if he's circumcised.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:30 AM
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'Toxic norms of masculinity' is what women want, and they largely exist because of women. Why do men want to be dominant, rise in the hierarchy, become rich and powerful? Why do they focus on this over being kind, communal, gentle, feminine, etc? Because they constantly see that the men who are rewarded by women, who are the most romantically successful, are the dominant, masculine, powerful, rich men who fulfill their gender roles, pursue them, pay for them, etc., and see that what blue pillers…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:26 AM
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I must've missed my supply of women from these billionaires. When were they sent out?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:24 AM
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Then go address those men instead of bitching about feminism and women. If it’s actually about helping out men and not misogyny, focus on getting those types of men out of office. Women are complicit in it too due to their bias against men. And these men are loved by women. Women will often claim to be progressive socialists who care about the working class and hate billionaires or whatever, and then they aggressively pursue and worship these elite men. So these men, no matter how awful they may…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:22 AM
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Are women with preferences for penises being a certain way addicted to porn? Seems an odd thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:16 AM
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It's all personal preference, why would you be a 'fuckin weirdo' for preferring something? Do you say women are 'fuckin weirdos' for having a preference over male genitals?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:13 AM
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You are correct, men do have an outgroup bias and this is a huge part of the problem. Both men and women prefer women. This is why there are so many bluepill men on this subreddit blaming other men for their problems and being unwilling to show any sort of solidarity. Where are the men holding majority male law makers, majority male judges, and majority male law enforcers accountable for their anti-male bias? Where are men encouraging more men to get into the education and mental health careers?…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:52 AM
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It doesn't need to be a secret. If they become a common thing then it won't be looked at as that abnormal. 20 years later while you and your other family members have aged naturally, and she still looks 25. Sounds great!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:46 PM
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Men and women are attracted to money and status, although women are more sensitive. It's not something men care nearly as much about. There's a reason why hypergamy is found in every single society on earth, women specifically pursue men who are richer and higher status than them. Those are the studies you should be looking at. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886911004879 This just focuses on what they prefer the method of getting the money to have been. And, although …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:28 AM
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Cheaper than women, I'm sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:02 AM
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Women are already using AI chatbot boyfriends. Yes, just like they're using romance novels. As part of a fantasy. But they will never be able to give them exactly what they want from a relationship. Women are already working. They don't need men for money or "status." This is literally what women are attracted to in men. There's a reason why hypergamy is consistently found in every society. And women don't have a "fun and easy going life" where they do what they are passionate about. I wish. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:01 AM
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I don't understand this logic at all. As you say, women love to praise each other and don't criticise, they're far more communal and consensus-based. Men are the ones who are far more likely to take a stand, be controversial, be daring, go against the grain, be rebels and the like, compete against each other in a cut-throat way rather than trying to please eachother. Men care more about attention from women than women do from men (even this is debatable, it's perhaps more accurate to say that it…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:50 PM
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It quite obviously doesn't feel better for men. Female orgasms are way stronger, and they can have a bunch in a row. What I'd give for that. The problem is just that they're not as horny and are harder to get off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:46 PM
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from men I don’t find desirable for one reason or another. This is the crux of it. Women find 80% of men ugly. Men do not have such high standards, any attention at all for them would be incredible. Though, I think if you didn't get ANY attention even from these undesirable men you'd find it a lot harder and your self-worth would decrease.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:45 PM
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Truth nuke.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:43 PM
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As a man, you are a tool and only valued for what you can do or provide for others. Even if you are romantically desired, it's not the same as how women are desired. Women are desired for who they are, inherently - their personality and, yes, looks (which is still their body, who they are). Men are primarily valued even in this context for what they do or how they make the woman feel, etc. As others have said, it's very difficult to feel any sense of self-worth unless you are seen by others as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:39 PM
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Incredibly accurate, basically what I was going to post. For many men the hardest part of life is struggling to live up to the increasingly difficult demands of women. Men don't get to just 'do what they're passionate about' or have a fun easy-going life if they also want to attract women, generally... those luxuries are reserved for women who don't have the constant worry of being seen as a worthy companion over their heads. So if AI can effectively replicate women, but basically 'Women 2.0' wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:15 PM
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Why not? Eventually AI will get scarily accurate to humans, it's already come such an insanely far way in just a few years. I spend a great deal of time talking to AI as it is. Sadly it's too repetitive and artificial for me to see it as an adequate girlfriend currently, but it's better than nothing, and a lot of people seem to manage (often women, /r/myboyfriendisAI is popular).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:12 PM
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Ok bro, I'm sure rich famous actresses with 10/10 looks like Amber Heard got with him because he paid them. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:06 PM
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I don't believe I'm a woman or anything like that tho, it's purely a transmaxxing thing. Imagine being this guy and how much better his life is now. There was nothing he could do to be seen as desirable or even, really, a human being, before he did this. Are you trans? If not you can't really understand how easy you have it as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:56 PM
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You might be on to something tbh as I would probably transition if I thought I could look like a hot woman. But that's just because I think women have much easier lives. I don't see why it'd require this desire though, why wouldn't a man want to be desirable and have women react to him like they're in a diet coke ad? Shit would be cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:38 PM
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Aww
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:23 PM
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Damn his penis or salary must be insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:54 PM
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They're calling it the most female post of all time. I see this logic a lot from women. If men viewed 80% of women as ugly, it'd be men having absurd body standards. If women view 80% of men as ugly (which they do), it's just because 'men are ugly'. And you see this for any unreasonable view that women have, they must simply be objectively correct at all times.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:52 PM
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Women's 'type' is extraordinarily narrow, with the 'type' variation being, like... blond hair vs brown hair, or something. It's men who have incredibly diverse tastes, with some men legitimately preferring obese women, some skinny women, some large breasted, some small, etc. 'I really like short bald guys with really small dicks,' said no woman in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:52 AM
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I guarantee by short you still mean taller than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:50 AM
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The way women style themselves is very often not to the taste of men. They wear clown makeup, dress in ugly unfeminine ways, dye their hair green or whatever, get piercings and tattoos that men don't like. Fashion/styling can make a small boost to a man's appearance but as others have said it's 99% down to looks that are out of their control, and money and status. And as far as fashion is concerned, it's not even clear what women would like, as they are very often dishonest about what they actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:41 AM
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It's a small niche compared to genres focused around rich, high status men. Women's desires are largely based around how they are made to feel, not the man himself. And this is why it's rarer for women to watch porn, and when they do the most popular category is lesbian.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:39 AM
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It's very funny how all the responses here are 'I have no expectations of myself. And the expectations of the man were just that I liked him!' which is essentially a roundabout way of not admitting 'I did not have to fulfill anything and rejected my gender roles' whilst leaving the quiet part unsaid, that they no doubt demanded the man was richer than them, higher status, and good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:35 AM
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Most Inkcels who Trans-max are attracted only to Cis-women, so they’d have to navigate the much smaller Lesbian dating pool, and then the smaller percent who’d date a Trans-woman, the smaller percent who’d date a Trans-woman who doesn’t actually want to socially transition, and the small percent of LGBT at late-20s who are Monogamous. This will just place far more limitations on their existing options, for little gain. If they're a stone cold incel then their options are zero and cannot be reduc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:29 AM
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Based tbh. I've said this myself and I would genuinely consider it if I thought I could pass. Here's my favourite example I took from reddit. Look at the guy's comments before he did it, and after. What an insane difference in quality of life. Being a man like he was is pure suffering. But obviously it's risky and won't work this well for most.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:21 AM
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Women have to present themselves as beautiful as they can, sometimes not naturally and seek nice men they are attracted to in a pool full of dirty lustful men that wants them in an unwanted way. And men have to work hard into themselves to stand out in all the crowd of "superior" men with things some of them can't even control so much. They both search an almost irreal person without flaws to satisfy their needs, there seems to not be an mutual acceptance and "being yourself" is not enough at al…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:17 AM
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Yeah but that's reality. Women want men who are higher status and richer than them, in addition to being Chads. Some of them are eventually willing to compromise on perhaps one out of three of these, but some women just opt out of dating altogether if they cannot get an unrealistically perfect man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:00 AM
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You won't date a man who isn't clearly better than you. That's the standard now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:58 AM
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Yeah, at some point I'm going to call bs on your allergies and just tell you you're a picky eater who needs to grow up, though. As that's what's going on when someone refuses to eat anything other than chicken tenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:42 AM
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Yes, it sucks to be undesirable. Quite. And this is a uniquely male phenomenon. I don't get the point of tone policing on the internet. We have decided as a culture that the internet is a shitty place where everyone hates each other. Women are constantly shit on and called whores whenever they talk about dating. In my experience, it is completely normalised everywhere to demonise men and mock them for their lack of success in romance, whilst also having the audacity to blame them for it and clai…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:05 AM
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So then you agree with the idea that men's desire for sex doesn't override the women's preference for autonomy. Yes. Therefore, if a man has no women attracted to him, its on the man to make himself attractive. The point is that it's increasingly hard to meet the ever-rising standards of women, is straight up impossible for some men through no fault of their own, and just saying 'lmao work harder', especially when it's said by women who do not understand what it's like to have to work hard to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:19 AM
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Because of the implication? No, I wouldn't. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:55 AM
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With Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:01 AM
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It's your problem. Whine all you want, we get to live our lives. Yes, this is the whole point I've made from the beginning. Women live life on easy mode and are privileged. I'm glad you agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:52 PM
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if a girl is moving around men around her will know. If you sleep within that social circle then yes. It's not hard to sleep with random dudes on Tinder in a city of millions or something without men finding out what you are. 'Oh but it's inconvenient to do that :(' ... am I supposed to feel bad for you? Besides that women can't even get abortion in some states. Women also go through so much turmoil getting an abortion that no way in hell you suggested that option. Then take a short trip out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 10:59 PM
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Visual porn can't really cater to what really gets them off (hypergamy) so they just default to what gets them off about the literal sex act, which is a hyper-focus on their own anatomy. In writing they can get what they want so they go for that and focus on billionaires. I haven't come up with a good explanation for why the popularity of yaoi is sinister yet, I will have to get back to you on that. One assumes it has the familiar tropes, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:55 PM
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The richest man in the world and he had to “choose” IVF. Interesting. It's not really that interesting. Maybe he just has fertility issues, idk. We both know he could very easily get laid, why pretend otherwise? Maybe women being interested in lesbian porn means that you shouldn’t trust women around your wife then. Lol Women are all bisexual, yes. Women have a very reactive sexuality. The visuals are not the focus. It is about the details of the pleasure or the details of the relationship if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:59 PM
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Elon Musk’s kids are from IVF. The mothers are essentially surrogates who agreed to have them for pay. No one likes him. That's his own choice after his first kid died or whatever. You understand he still banged Amber Heard, Grimes, and the other women right? You understand he could easily have a harem of beautiful women at a moment's notice, right? Just like all rich/high status men, no matter how awful they supposedly are. Fantasies are often a result of taboos. Not a reflection of what anyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:42 PM
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Dating. Is . Not. Money. Sex is not a resource. It’s an activity. One with the potential to be severely traumatic and dangerous. Women are not going to give up sex for men they don’t want. Not anymore. It's highly connected to it, for women. They are obsessed with money and status and men who don't have this are worthless to them. Elon Musk is not hot. Fantasies are just fantasies. They are exciting and safe. There's a reason he has so many kids, and slept with even some of the best looking wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:26 PM
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These things are not equivalent. The opposite gender being interested in you is highly desirable. That said, honestly, even if it was guys doing it that'd be pretty cool tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:22 PM
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The fact of the matter is that sex is riskier for women than it is for men. I strongly disagree. Prior to our society being as gynocratic as it is, where women don't have to face consequences for their actions and can easily opt out of pregnancy whilst men can't, I might agree, but that's no longer the case. ONLY men face real risk from this (other than if the woman CHOOSES to keep the baby and then there's some risk of health problems). That is already not including the fact that men are strong…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:44 PM
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It's very silly. Women claim to want equality and are often progressives who claim to hate billionaires and capitalism and whatever else, but when it comes to dating they turn into the most brutal hyper-capitalists imaginable who only value men who are richer and higher status than them. They fantasise about dark triad billionaire Chads dominating them and taking charge, in their romance novels. These women who 'hate billionaires' would instantly kneel before Elon Musk, given the chance. Going f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:35 PM
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Men in your DMs as a woman mostly feel threatening. Not complimentary. Self-victimisation. 'You're beautiful!' 'omg i'm so scared'. Yeah I'm sure there are some guys who do say bad things, but overall, it's something any man would kill for. It's like the trade-offs of being a billionaire or celebrity, they have real problems due to it, but it's still way better than being poor. I would absolutely put up with some women being weird to me in exchange for what women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:32 PM
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Men would kill for the insane privilege of random men in your dms? Really??? I doubt that. For the privilege of even the ugliest, least desirable women messaging them, yes. It would be an insane confidence booster. Women are showered with praise and compliments and desired all their life, they know they're valuable and desired and wanted, just by being alive. Men have to struggle and toil away, climb mountains to hope that one day anyone will want them or value them. Even guys doing it can feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:12 PM
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Body count becomes an issue for many men when they are looking for LTR. Here's a little secret for you. You don't need to tell him you've slept around. You're welcome. But it's an entirely reasonable thign for them to care about. Birth control can fail. Will you be making the difficult decision if there is an abortion? Or just pressuring for one so you get what you want? No child support payments. It's not your body. It's unlikely birth control will fail, and even if it does you can get an abort…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:06 PM
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It is not. What you are saying is ridiculous. Men are poor people? In the world of dating, being a man is like being a poor person, and a woman a billionaire, yes. This is a pity party for your p*nis. You have almost nothing at stake if you have sex. We have a risk of pregnancy, Easily avoidable in 2026. Only men have to fear facing consequences of pregnancy against their will. men using our body count against us, How easy is it to not let them know? Regardless, men have the opposite problem. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:08 PM
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It's a burden in the same way a billionaire has the 'burden' of not knowing how to spend all his money or which of his mansions to spend time in, or to anticipate the 'burden' you're going to complain about, how billionaires/celebrities are in the public eye and get more attention even if it's unwanted. In other words, utterly unsympathisable compared to the real problems that poor people (men in this analogy) have to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:57 PM
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I don't believe you actually think this. Why pretend? You think all the Chads are not getting huge proportions of the attention? Is it time to deploy the Chadfish?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:51 PM
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Attraction is in part dependent on money and status. There's a reason why so many of the romance books women read feature a high status billionaire. But yes, looks are obviously extremely important too. It's really quite strange for someone who is bluepilled to be saying that character doesn't play into it at all... really, you don't find any difference in attraction to someone whether they're a misogynistic psychopath vs a kind, respectful man? That's what you're saying? It's an extreme positio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:50 PM
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No birth control is 100% effective unless you abstain from sex. I indeed abstained from sex with most men and have all my life. Women are also on the hook for decades of payments + the actual labor of raising that child if the child is kept, so that point of yours is irrelevant. It's so easy to get an abortion in most countries, if all the alternatives somehow fail. It's just not a real problem anymore. Women are only on the hook if they choose to be, men are forced to be against their will. Red…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:46 PM
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Do you think swiping right on 5% of men is giving most men a chance? It's not how it works these days. Idk what the messaging on OKCupid even meant, maybe just them messaging them to tell them to go away for all I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:42 PM
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Cool, then describe what you think the red pill is. Its key defining trait is basically what you just said. It's that women want looks, money, and status, and men should do what they can to maximise these, whilst admitting that the traditional blue pill advice of it being about being kind and nice and respectful towards women or whatever is utter nonsense, that character does not factor into it. You don't understand it yet, but you are actually a 'Red Pill Woman'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:40 PM
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It is what women want and it shouldn't be controversial. It just is. Go on /r/romancebooks and see what they're reading - take a shot every time you read about the male love interest being a tall Chad billionaire (and, curiously, the male love interest also being a psycho). Or just... look at scientific studies that show hypergamy exists in every society in the world. It is what it is, man. As for how men are perceived, it's not alpha male content, nor looksmaxx, those exist in response to how m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:38 PM
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You want both and they're closely connected. Yeah, I'm sure women just post thirst traps all the time and put huge amounts of time, money and effort into looking good for... no particular reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:34 PM
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If that were true it'd be an utterly meaningless label and everyone would be blue pill. No, the idea that attraction doesn't involve character at all is very much an anti-bluepill stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:28 PM
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Pretty sure a lot of women feel judged for being romantically unsuccessful especially if they are the last single friend. Okay they can get any men but why would they get a man they don’t want or wouldn’t treat them how they want to be treated? Would you want that? A lack of romantic success looks different for each gender. For women, it's like 'I couldn't get a male model who makes 200k a year minimum, it's so sad... where are all the good men?' for men it's like 'The last time a woman spoke to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:26 PM
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It still showed they viewed 80% of men as unattractive. On modern dating apps you can't even message without matching, and the data shows women swipe right on a mere 5%. As bad as the OKCupid stats were, it's gotten a LOT worse since then for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:21 PM
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Getting rando men in your dms to fk is not insane privilege It is, actually. Men would kill for this equivalent. Women cannot comprehend how much worse it is to have to work super hard for any scrap of attention, to be desired. And women may claim to not want this but they absolutely love being seen as hot and desirable, and hate it when their looks start to fade.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:15 PM
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Unfortunately, you live in an alternate universe where I assume this is true and that must be difficult. In my universe it'd be an utterly absurd and blatantly untrue statement. See, in my universe, men have absurdly low standards and it's women who have the ever-rising impossible standards for men! Man, you'd love it here... here, 80% of men are seen as unattractive by women but men rate women on a perfect bellcurve! What awful luck you had to not be born in my universe. Ah well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:14 PM
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Because women are extremely privileged and can get a man at a moment's notice, romantically unsuccessful women are simply women with unreasonably high standards. And even the ones who 'stop dating' know they can end this at a moment's notice, and probably do still get regular casual sex. But more to the point, women are not judged for being romantically unsuccessful like men are. Their self-worth is not dependant on it, societally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:12 PM
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The frequency of which I see this utter inability to comprehend the purpose of analogies from people like you is incredible. 'It's easy for women to get laid, it's like scoring a goal in soccer in an open net' 'Uhhh but it's not at all the same, because sex doesn't involve sports at all' ...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:10 PM
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Pussy isn’t a charity True. sex is physically painful for women if they’re not turned on. That’s not how vaginas work. It's a well-known phenomenon for women to get wet/physically aroused at the sight of any sexual thing at all, even animals, and even when they're raped, ostensibly as an evolutionary defence mechanism. Sexual attraction is not about character in any way. Now we're talking. Do you realise this isn't a blue pill view, though? The red pill stance is that it's all money, looks, stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:06 PM
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Considering how costly gestation, childbirth, and child rearing is All practically a non-issue in 2026, easily opted out of. For women of course, the cost and risk is still there for men who could be on the hook for decades of payments, completely against their will. The risk is all the man's. I do not think about some random man’s value or worth. Maybe not consciously, but even then doubt. You're literally flaired as red pill which is explicit about men being judged and valued for their wealth,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:57 PM
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How easy it is to say that from a position of insane privilege. 'Why don't the peasants just work harder,' says the aristocratic billionaire who never had to work for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:54 PM
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This is very blue pill advice so I'm glad you are flaired as such. No amount of therapy will change the fact that this is constantly reinforced throughout every level of society, by both women and men. If you are romantically unsuccessful, you have no value. It's as simple as that. And men see that the richest, best looking men are rewarded regardless of how awful they are as people, which shows them what to prioritise in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:51 PM
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What's laughable about it, the fact that literally every bit of evidence points towards it and confirms it in every society that exists or has ever existed? Hypergamy, I mean. "and that the struggles do not come from lack of men trying." - at some point you have to ask if those tries are in the right direction, because effort should bring results and if it doesn't then it's not the right kind of effort. So if there are men who do lots of things and it's not bringing them results - then they shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:48 PM
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So sex should be pleasurable, correct? Sure. It’s often not pleasurable for straight women to fuck men. Men are focused only on their orgasm. Women don’t even get one. After a certain point maybe you should question the type of man you are selecting rather than saying this is just something men do. In any case, getting women off is much harder than men and women expect men to do all the work, all the pressure is on them; if men were like women in this respect, all requiring much more work and sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:42 PM
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Because women hold all the cards, and men are the pursuers who have to prove themselves, I feel that women are able to make increasing demands, or 'standards', which have become increasingly unreasonable. Men do not get to do the same unless they're a billionaire or Chad or something. The topic wasn't gender roles but I think it's the direct cause of the unreasonable standards. You're missing the fact that dating is about a demonstration of effort early on for men in order to secure long-term be…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:53 AM
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If you want someone to view you as partnership material then planning a date is a great way to show that you can think about other people's wants/needs, make a decision, follow through, and show up. Early dates are demonstration events. It's not about the meal, it's what it represents. But this says it all, doesn't it? The man has to do that, because he's the one going to a job interview, kneeling before a queen who he hopes to impress and maybe, if he's lucky, be considered a worthy human. Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:07 AM
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No, honey. That is not how that works. They don't "grow to love you non-transactionally". They wait for the most opportune time to divorce so they can take half of your assets and be set up for life, or segue into an even more profitable marriage with a wealthier man. That's all that it is. They do not love, and that is not what love is. Well, yeah, I'm just not sure this doesn't describe how it always is. I hope your optimistic outlook is correct, but I'm not sure of it. Is that a bisexual flag…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:37 AM
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I said what they want, not what they're able to get. The stats consistently show hypergamy - they pursue and get men who are richer than them. Unfortunately for them, this does not tend to be a massive leap upwards, but the gap is still there. And before you suggest it, it's not explained by the gender pay gap, it's shown even in terms of 'within-rank' percentile incomes, i.e. women with 50th percentile incomes among other women marry 57th percentile income men or whatever. Men in the lower quar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:25 AM
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Well the sad truth is that just might be what love is. Maybe you could say that it's just an evolutionary filter that we cna't do much about, and then when we get past it you can grow to love them in a non-transactional way, idk. It's unclear to me how much individual variation there is, but these patterns seem very strong and consistent from what I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:52 AM
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Your premise assumes that these women would be better off with a person who is below their standards. You're basing this on the idea that anyone is better than no one, when in reality, standards exist for a reason. If your standards are that a meal is pleasant and nutritious and not from a dumpster, this is understandable. If your standards are that a meal must be from a Michelin star restaurant, I can't empathise with you complaining about not eating. Needless to say, I feel the latter situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:47 AM
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Incels have far lower standards than average men. That sort of action you witnessed is likely the result of what blue pillers say, 'bro its your personality bro' giving men like that false hope that they stand a chance with women like that. If he was confident enough to do that, he probably approaches lots of women of all levels of looks though, it's just not something you can really understand as a woman as you don't have such burdens.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:23 AM
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An incredibly deep and strong attachment to someone you care about, specifically for them as a person. Unfortunately, evolution had other plans and I suspect this is largely a male phenomenon. Because a fundamental part of what women are attracted to is not the man per se, but what he has - status, money, etc. This is inherently not the person in question, only what they have. And you see this reflected sexually also, where women are often less focused on the man specifically, his body, who he i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:09 AM
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Women don't seem to mind that men have no standards, why would men? I think most men would be pretty happy if they could go out and bang a bunch of women at any moment with no effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:59 AM
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They complain about it but I don't usually see a combination of 'wahh I'm so lonellyyyyyy its not fairrr' + 'btw I will NOT date any woman who wears makeup etc etc etc'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:46 AM
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What? He's completely and utterly correct. It's just like this: in the 1950s, a man with a blue collar job could easily provide for his wife and kids and she wouldn't even need to work, he's desirable, because his money/status is above hers. Now? A man with a university education making twice as much as that guy (adjusted for inflation) isn't enough, even if it's equal footing with the woman in question. A nurse wants a doctor, a paralegal wants a lawyer, and so on - the nurse finds the male nur…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:43 AM
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If that caricature were true then it would be fair to not empathise with them, yes. But it's not how it is. Men generally have very low standards, especially the ones who are most visible about this (incels).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:38 AM
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Women want men who are richer and higher status than them regardless. This is just how it is. So yes, it would be good if it weren't as hard as it is to achieve this. It's all very transactional. I wish it weren't, but the more you look into the evidence, the more you see it for what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:35 AM
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The problem these men have is that they can’t find a woman who wants them, so they need a woman who needs them. In a world where women don’t need men, they can’t get a woman. It really is that simple. Very little has changed, women are still hypergamous and seek out men who are richer and higher status than them who they can depend on, this is true in every society on earth, which studies continue to show. The only thing that has changed is how difficult it is to live up to these expectations. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:32 AM
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This is not true. Men just have reasonable and obtainable standards instead of a laundry list of requirements that must be met before someone is considered worthy, with any minor infraction giving them the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:18 AM
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Having no standards does not make someone's loneliness more virtuous or valid. Of course it does. A classic (and completely untrue) stereotype of incels, neckbeard types or whatever, is how they're like 'elbow too pointy, not interested', absurd standards, and are criticised for it. Someone who can very easily get dates and has people lining up but rejects them because they aren't absolutely perfect in every way is not someone who can be empathised with for their 'loneliness'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:16 AM
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Well I certainly hope you're wrong! Sounds bleak to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:06 AM
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I don't know what point you're trying to make with this but it doesn't really help the blue piller's case to say that red pillers are ugly. It shows the critical importance of looks and how it affects your experience in life and how you feel the need to act. Yes, it's not too surprising if a Chad is like 'umm just be yourself bro, haha always worked out for me' and never needed to engage with red pill concepts because he always did fine due to his looks, in fact it's a meme among redpill types. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:59 AM
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Well, I'm glad you agree. I'm just saying that when you said men should compete with men differently or saying that self-respect comes from within or basing it on romantic success is bad, it's not easy for men to change this themselves as the current dynamic is reinforced so heavily by society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:08 PM
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And yet men don't really care about it in comparison. And it's not just 'has a stable career', it's often very specifically 'must earn more than me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:37 AM
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Your logic is so backwards it's quite astonishing. 5”6? Shut up. Still taller than most women Exactly. It shouldn't matter, should it? And yet you will constantly see men even slightly below average height (or even under 6 ft) constantly shamed for it, women frequently saying they don't want to date such men or posts like 'when his height starts with 5... disgusting' or even 'why do men under 6 ft even exist' with huge numbers of likes. The reality is it does matter, just like other physical cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:18 AM
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Men are judged from day 1 for how good they are at pleasing and attracting women. It is not something solely enforced by men but is in fact how most people of all genders think. And the blue pillers here go further, associating 'success with women' with 'good character', as they claim that people who aren't successful with women simply must have poor personalities and other character flaws, further associating romantic success with self-worth. It's all well and good to say 'just don't care bro f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:59 AM
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I don’t give a shit about those terms or anyone who says them because I think the whole thing is pathetic. The whole idea that masculinity is found in women’s pussies is silly. Men would benefit from abandoning this idea. You act as though women don't often enforce this idea. That the go-to insult for men isn't his lack of romantic success or related concepts (e.g. insults discussed related to their body). Blue pillers ironically might contribute to this more than red pillers, because they also …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:42 AM
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That first ss is fucking crazy 😭 Indeed. Brother, you don't know the half of it! (also, heh... 'SS'...)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:51 PM
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Maybe you're right, ThunderDU... They say that women chase shallow metrics like good looks, wealth and status above all else even if highly negative personality traits are extremely obvious What do you think of this example? Maybe I should've used that one instead. No, it's absurd... doesn't generalise, I'm sure. Women do not do this irl, right? The red pill is very foolish. Uh, but yeah. I don't think they literally believe that all really good looking or high status guys are assholes, that doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:42 AM
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Ultimately, you're arguing that if men tolerate something, they must be okay with it or are even actively pursuing it. Realistically, they're just willing to put up with something in order to not shrink their number of dates from 'low' to 'extremely low' (well, a lot of men are fine with it or pursuing it, but not the ones complaining). You also seem to think that if they tolerate unfairness out of desperation, then they lose the right to ever complain about it. I don't agree. The studies said 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 01:43 AM
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There is absolutely no point in complaining about that if you guys are going to keep paying for these women. So clearly, you guys don’t think there’s a problem with it if you’re still going to do it, so there’s no point in arguing that women are more shallow because that’s clearly not a bad thing to you guys. Do you think it's fair to say that women often put up with misogyny or other negative traits in men, such as not focusing on their pleasure? Do they therefore deserve this treatment, and is…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 10:15 PM
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I reject that the narrative exists or is at least common. Men here do not typically say that Chads are automatically bad people because they are good looking. They say that women chase shallow metrics like good looks, wealth and status above all else even if highly negative personality traits are extremely obvious (hence all the Chadfish experiments showing good looking guys doing well on dating apps despite clearly stating they are misogynists who beat women or whatever). They lament that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:25 PM
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How do you think this statement is compatible with being blue pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:20 PM
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Players tend to be able to get women but 99% of the time suck and keeping those women around and satisfied And yet this is who women consciously choose even when it's clear that's what they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:18 PM
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Men were more likely to use AI for a romantic partner. Were they? It's a well-known thing for women to do. I wouldn't be surprised if men do it more though, as getting dates is far harder for men due to women's higher standards. Incels overprioritize superficial qualities over personality qualities because they are so obsessed with being Chad. The evidence shows that women prioritise looks just as men do, but they also care far more about other things like money and status. Women are far pickier…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:06 PM
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Poor you, women don't accommodate you in the world where they know that men have hidden motives? How horrible of them Thank god, you get it. This is mostly just PPD brain. Most people are normal, most men treat women normally, most women do not view men as the enemy or act standoffish towards them if they're not hot. That's my experience. Or maybe I'm just super hot. It's not 'wanting women to accommodate me', it's wanting them to not be hostile towards me if they don't find me hot, which again …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:25 AM
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You're saying that women are standoffish (unfriendly, cold) towards men they don't find hot, essentially. If this is true, it's not exactly conducive to making friends with women as a man, is it? Personally, I want to be friends with women, not just to sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:45 AM
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Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy then. Luckily I don't think most women are actually needlessly unfriendly to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:27 PM
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A Lillth thread I agree with? Now I've seen it all. As much as I dislike how the term can be weaponised, toxic masculinity is a problem and can make it hard to do this. I don't have many friends (it's not just romantic loneliness that's the issue) but if I were to attempt this at best I'd get an awkward silence and at worst 'lol gay' from my male friends. So I think I've internalised that expectation with men which has also led me to (perhaps illogically) only choose female therapists, for examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:30 PM
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That's probably how I'd react too tbh so that checks out, but yes not a healthy attitude to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:08 PM
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It's entirely possible, perhaps common, to love people who don't make you happy, even if you split up or whatever. I'm not saying it's unconditional as such, but OP is more asking whether it's cynically transactional, such that if the husband is no longer useful love leaves the picture. And to that I say, clearly not. My grandmother looked after my grandfather for a decade as he succumbed to his degenerative disease, never remarried, and I'm sure she will continue to love and miss him until the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 07:17 AM
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It's clear he was talking about romantic love. He should've put that in the title/OP, but it's clearly what he meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 07:13 AM
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Most couples meet online now and it's increasingly difficult to approach women online due to fewer third places and men being called creepy for doing it, so online dating is the most relevant form to analyse. Even with it being majority men, it's still insane how few people women swipe right on. It's not true that men swipe mostly on 20yos btw, in fact men swipe right on the majority of profiles, that's the average male strategy. At some point you're going to have to face the obvious, you're che…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:59 AM
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"But women" yep that's how the sub works is one of those terms used by men on this sub to constantly portray themselves as oppressed victims Yeah, we are :) that + and the rest of your post is also projection for these daily threads by Lilith etc, angry that men have the most basic expectations of women whilst men have to put literally all the effort into dating whilst having all the expectations and demands placed on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:21 AM
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Anecdotal. Statistically, most people are average. Average people meet and couple-up every day. Not relevant to the point that it's silly to always blame a man's lack of romantic success on his poor personality or misogyny when everyone knows there are plenty of bad people who do well with women and life in general. I could throw out actual verifiable facts like: in the US, a man annihilates his family every 5 days Or 3 women are murdered per day by current/former male partners, male relatives. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:08 AM
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And despite that irrefutable, empirical evidence (rando incels creating catfish profiles It is solid evidence against your claim that women aren't attracted to misogynists. And it's something all men learn from a young age. Not that they're necessarily specifically attracted to misogynists, but that it's all about looks/money/status and not personality. the more rp/manosphere discourse grows in influence, somehow men are more single & sexless than ever before. Funny that. It's no surprise and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:01 AM
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You are unneccesarily uncharitable towards men, as is PPD tradition. It's not uncommon for women to get insecure about things even more out of a man's control, like him struggling to get an erection because it might worry her that she's undesirable. And yet a man isn't allowed to feel insecure if he knows that a woman was instantly weak at the knees for another man when she wasn't with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:52 PM
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For most people, sex is an important, special thing. Particularly with a new person. You're talking about it as though it's a handshake. This guy you're responding to is specifically talking about a woman making him wait months or a long time, too. It's baffling to me that some women can't understand how it'd be hurtful to know some men were given this connection immediately whilst you had to wait a long time, and how that might make you feel less valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:16 PM
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When women say “we want men who want relationships” they mean men who genuinely want love and intimacy, enjoying romantic gestures because it makes his woman happy and feel loved. I know women want that. But they don't want to pursue. They don't want to deal with the stress of constant brutal rejection, being swiped left on 95%+ of the time. They don't want to send the first message and have to think of the 50th interesting, tailored message they've had to create that week. They don't want to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:08 PM
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I'm just telling you what they traditionally were thought of, long before Andrew Tate was a thing. TRP focuses on self-improvement after acknowledging what women want, there's even 'red pill women' communities that acknowledge it and support it. But I'm not red pill myself. .3% is still a huge number of men, millions, worldwide. And who knows how many of them used prostitutes or something, or only got laid a single time maybe, etc. Most men are not destined to be this way but some are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:57 PM
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I associate bluepill with nonsense like 'just be urself, women just want a man who is kind!' and denying that looks, money and status are the most important things. Bluepillers refuse to admit that many men are destined to be lonely no matter what they do, due to the high standards women have (e.g. finding 80% of men unattractive).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:45 PM
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Well, it's easy to find cases of men who are very good looking but horrible doing well. And not just 'poor personality' but 'I openly admit to abusing women' bad. Meanwhile it's not at all easy to find ugly men who do well regardless of their personality. Seems pretty obvious what the conclusion of this should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:43 PM
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That's literally what TRP is. It says get better looking, richer, higher status, more charismatic, etc. to attract women. How is that a scam? You should promote that over the arguably more realistic view that it's largely out of their control and determined by genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:39 PM
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The boys are doing that because of their observable reality, constant messaging on social media from women mocking and dehumanising men who aren't rich, tall, good looking, etc. and when they get older, from going on apps and seeing that women swipe left on 95% of men, or perhaps from seeing stats that they find 80% of men as unattractive. None of this requires a manosphere view, it's just true. Naturally boys will panic due to this absurd culture and will want to do everything they can to not b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:36 PM
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It would be a shame if there were endless examples of horrible men, both as chadfish experiments and irl, having easy success with women despite being openly misogynistic or abusive. Almost like it's silly to always blame men for their problems and it'd be more honest to admit that it's primarily about things outside of their control, like looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:32 PM
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It does not work this way and these are the ramblings of a billionaire telling a homeless person to 'just be richer bro' and that they're pathetic for settling for any type of shelter instead of a mansion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:10 PM
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Projection. The OP implied it wasn't accurate to generalise women's interest in looks, status, and money so I pointed out that it's actually consistently backed up by the research. I then pointed out why it's distressing for men to be treated worse than prior partners, without demanding that women change. You got upset and started reading things into my comment that weren't there. Here, let me try using your 'reasoning skills': Men already do what’s best for them. wtf!!! why should men not do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:23 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:18 PM
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The OP made a claim and I countered it, it's as simple as that. This person will commonly also complain about how men supposedly behave and only want sex or use women or whatever, but again you can just say 'men should do whatever is best for them'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 04:44 PM
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Sure, that's all fine and valid. But that's y'all problem. That isn't on women to solve or address. I don't think I said it was. I'm sure the same can be said for a lot of things women get upset about. But I don't think they should be surprised if their partner gets upset if he learns how she gave better treatment to certain men. So which is it? Men have to put in so much effort OR do nothing? The other guy got it right. Unlike men, women are generally very narrow/similar in their physical inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 04:39 PM
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I don't want to feel like I'm not as good or as valued as a previous partner, so if they treat me differently in a worse way, 'broke rules' for someone else, whatever, then it's hard for me not to draw such comparisons. If you don't feel that way, well, good for you. I wish you the best. I think it might be different for women and men, only women seem to think this is confusing. Probably because men are the pursuers and have to put in so much more effort, so knowing what was required to attract …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:17 AM
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I don't see how this is relevant to my post or the thread, as I never said they should. I'm merely pointing out that this is indeed how they act.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:04 AM
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Y'all feel less special and valued when someone is happy with you and fucking you? Why are you pretending not to understand things? As I said: 'I slept with Chad after knowing him for 10 minutes, but only after knowing you for months did I want to sleep with you' is not flattering no matter how you phrase it. If you knew your partner treated another woman as way more attractive than you or did things for her that he doesn't do for you, you would presumably not feel great about it. And if you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:02 AM
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If she’s fucking her boyfriend and she’s happy with him, what’s the problem? It makes one feel less special and valued. So this was about sex, not the relationship. Its not her problem when guys pretend they want a relationship when they just wanted wet dick. No, but sex is an important part of a relationship. But even if it was just about sex, and men are upfront about this, the common refrain is still that if you can't get it, it must be because of your personality or whatever, your own fault …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:43 AM
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I think they'd see me as whiny and too negative and I'd agree. I'm more likely to be here when in a bad mood and wanting to vent, or exaggerate my pessimism in the hopes people argue me out of my view. Reddit/PPD is unhealthy for me and I want to spend less time on here but it's addictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:38 AM
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Maybe you should see people as individuals with different views instead of a hivemind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:32 AM
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Women caring about looks, money, and status is well supported by the research. Presumably there's some variation in individual women but it's broadly true, just like women like men who are taller than them, for example. This is the core of the problem and these guys arent even upfront about the fact they hate relationships. They just want sex. I don't think this is true. It's just that it's distressing to know that you are considered less desirable than other men to your girlfriend or whatever a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:24 AM
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It doesn't describe all men or the majority though. If it did then women would understandably be upset about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:24 PM
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There's little reason to think it's gotten any better since the okcupid stats. If you really want me to find more studies I can but I don't think you actually disagree with me on it. We can see modern swipe stats also. Okay, don’t listen to Chad. So listen to whom? To e guy that’s not getting laid? Just so you can learn how to not get laid? There may not be anything that can help some people. Telling them it's just their personality or whatever is cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:22 PM
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I'm glad that you kinda agree with me, but I just find it a bit tiresome how literally no matter the issue, literally no matter what it is, it could be something that affects men, or women, or anyone, in any way, will always be blamed on men / the patriarchy by feminists. I've never seen such a laser-focused perspective, where people have a hammer and see everything as a nail. One might read your comment and think maybe feminists are great and love men and want to reverse this state of affairs, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:16 PM
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But, this doesn’t really happen, so men (erroneously) conclude that women’s standards must be SOOOOOOO high This is quite clearly seen from stats showing they find 80% of men as ugly and swipe left on 95%+ of men. And you can't bat it away as 'just dating apps' as that's hwere the vast majority of couples meet nowadays, and it's ever-increasing as it becomes harder to meet women irl. How can you speak confidently about the nature of women if you are a self admitted kissless virgin? Such people h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:57 PM
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No it doesn’t imply that. Looks definitely matter, but other things matter too. Looks are something you instantly notice. How can they be important (indeed, the most important thing, studies often suggest) if women need time to be attracted to a man? It's hard to conceptualise this.. you will say that it's not enough on its own and requires additional things, but the idea of 'he's hot but this is purely information of no interest right now, and only when combined with things I later learn does i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:14 PM
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Well, you are clearly on the team of nurture and dismiss evopsych and whatnot. I'm not so convinced and think it could be biological. Feminists always tend to come back to blaming men or the patriarchy in some way, the implication in your post about (men) oversexualising women being the cause here. As a man it just feels like women are super picky and view most men as unattractive and have all the power, and no amount of anti-patriarchy policies or reforms or feminism will help in any way. On th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure you'd find it painful to learn your husband is like that. 'It's just how things are' does not stop a situation being painful and sad, as we are not robots. Ironically I guess I can say it's painful because that's just how things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:55 PM
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Well, we both know it does happen, obviously Chads are getting to sleep with women very quickly on dating apps or even in real life settings. Do you really think it just doesn't happen? Maybe most women don't do that, but there's clearly enough of them. And many women have a self-described 'hoe phase'. I'm not convinced that female attraction works that way. It seems to imply that looks don't matter much, but they clearly do. Ironically, if it doesn't work that way, it presents other problems. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:52 PM
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I was talking to a guy on here the other day who said something I found interesting. He said he'd rather be with a woman who is openly manipulative and transactional like femaledatingstrategy was, highly prioritising money and such, a woman who would turn down Chad for his looks alone, because then at least he knows he was personally selected for strict requirements. He said he hated when he learned that women he had been with in the past had 'broken rules' for Chad, sleeping with them on the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:58 PM
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Nonetheless, it is painful. Let's imagine a woman discovers all men are psychopaths who don't like women at all, and they suddenly learn their husband doesn't actually care about them or something like that, or is only capable of caring about women when they're in their early 20s, would it suddenly be less painful if it was explained 'oh, it's just that men and women are different'? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:51 PM
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I don't have to time to respond to all of this Yes, you don't have enough time because I'm a man. The truth of how women view us has been revealed. Ok, I'm joking. I don't have to time to respond to all of this but this is a fundamental myth peddled by male-directed pornsites like pornhub. They separate gay male from the main stats and but lump lesbian porn in with "straight" stuff. If gay male was included in their main yearly stats (in their male/female favourites section and not in an article…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:00 PM
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As a woman, when women say they see so many more beautiful women every day, its a commentary on how women have been socialised to put more effort into their appearance and have been culturally idealised as the "beautiful ones" by patriarchy. It's coming back to bite men now - those centuries of insisting women become beautiful whilst completely ignoring women's mate preferences through force and coercion and not considering their own looks and sex appeal. There is no shortage of fat women or wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:25 PM
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Yes, because women don't engage nor want to engage in casual sex nearly as much as men. So? So it's the entire point, isn't it? That men can't do what women are able to do. They can't be as picky as them for relationships, nor can they go wild with casual sex like women can - it may be the case that women don't want to do that generally, but they can and some women do. I don't even know what you're disagreeing with at this point. And women often go out with people they already knew rather than s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:26 AM
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What manner? Waiting around for years, playing the field, having fun? Are you kidding me? Spin plates, party in their twenties and looking to settle in their thirties or not at all? Men do it all the time. The phenomenon these people are describing is of abstaining from men in general because they're not good enough or whatever and women allegedly enjoy their solitude more. I don't believe men do this, no, MGTOW is not real. But maybe you actually agree with my framing of the situation, in which…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:48 AM
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hmm, interesting perspective, understandable... but one hopes there are women like that who aren't psychopaths like on fds
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:35 AM
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It's laughable to hear men say one word about "love" or "antinatalism" Is it? That's the post? Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:32 AM
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You'd love to date someone who openly dehumanises you, calling you a wallet and a 'moid' and whatever else on a forum where she talks about how to exploit and trick men, and openly just wants you for your money etc. and not who you are? Very strange tbh. This was not a place where women were just like 'ok how can we get loving relationships with men who are successful?' it was very hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:15 AM
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The most common sentiment is the opposite of this. A man will say he is short, or some other deficiency, and people will immediately claim his lack of romantic success is because of his bad personality/misogyny/entitlement. They simply won't acknowledge that women often demand things as you have described, and insist on blaming men for their problems instead of admitting that some things are out of their control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:10 AM
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It does not matter if you are the strongest man in the entire world, you will get destroyed by someone wielding a knife.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:01 AM
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True. Both men and women have a bias towards women and care more about them, feel more empathy for them. Even though this is brutal and terrible for men as individuals (and leads to people utterly ignoring male issues like the vast majority of homeless people being men etc), in a strange darwinian sense this might be a positive to men as a group, and I suspect it's a more accurate explanation than sexism in most cases for why men are often higher achieving - men are forced from birth to work har…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:55 AM
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You'll note that in that post I didn't demand that women change their behaviour or even say it was wrong to do. But yes, it is a result of how they behave. I think there must be truth to the idea that men can't be happy without women. It seems men love and desire women more than vice versa... obviously this is true in a sexual libidinal way, but perhaps true romantically as well if these trends are accurate. MGTOW is nonsense and not a choice, but the women doing it are believable since they hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:43 AM
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Love/romance is such a core part of the human experience that it's hard to fathom how one can think this way. Not to mention, it's hard to do things like buy houses as it is, let alone as a single person. No, I'm afraid I think it's more to do with absurd standards and a general cultural trend of anti-male / anti-love / anti-natalism sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:37 AM
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And why would it be a bad relationship? Because the men are no good. And this is a very common phenomenon, apparently, to the extent that people will swear off relationships. There is no way to see this as anything other than a statement on men. Of course, I reject this and think it's because of standards being out of control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:35 AM
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What's actually occurring is one of two things: 1) women becoming highly picky and confident in their ability to eventually not have to give up on their incredibly high standards, so they wait it out OR 2) women enjoying being promiscuous rather than in a long-term relationship. And these are both quite rational, because women have it much easier than men. A man cannot afford to behave in this manner, because it's much more difficult for men to achieve these goals. Which brings me to my next poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:31 AM
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It's the clear subtext. 'Men suck so much women prefer to be alone'.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:26 AM
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Hey, this is a good and thoughtful summary, and like the OP, I'm going to think about it for awhile. Thanks. I think empathy on both sides is the most important thing people should push for, and I sometimes see it here amidst all the hostility, but it's quite rare. When men vent about these things, the expectations placed on them to be high status, high earning, or super good looking, in a world where that's increasingly difficult, or point out how women behave on dating apps (rejecting the over…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:44 AM
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True, doesn't really exist in my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 09:55 PM
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But it's not true and a chronically online take? A lot of the men who site this are usually the problem. I don't know what to tell you. It literally is true. You say 'chronically online' as though the internet isn't real, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of couples meet online and look at how it's skyrocketing. Meanwhile, men are shamed for approaching women in real life, there are fewer third places, and tbh there's no reason to think it'd be that much different in real life anyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:22 PM
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There's quite a lot of room between 'taking anyone they can get' and 'demanding the absolute best and anyone else is unworthy despite me being mediocre'. And men cannot choose to take a leaf out of this book, we are stuck in our gender roles which we haven't been freed from like women have, and have to grovel for the approval of women - the alternative is being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:09 PM
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demonstrates how much men like you let your feelings and emotions drive your intelligence. projection Show me a man who doesn't want the most attractive highest status woman he can get. Or do you think Trump is far more attractive (vomit) than Melania? People are always attracted to the prettiest, handsomeness, and highest status they can get. So why are you so mad at women for being just like you? The difference, as I quite clearly pointed out, is that men do not make sky-high demands. They mig…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:31 PM
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You're showing the anger and resentment pretty clearly here. Correct. I do resent how badly society is stacked against men. A completely natural and healthy response to injustice. I don't know if you're a woman or just a very handsome man, but for many men it is very difficult to get dates and women's standards are through the roof. 'Just talk to them bro' isn't particularly helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:10 PM
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Typically, people get more conservative as they get older. A known phenomenon. Also, college students are a particularly progressive demographic, and of course not everyone goes to college, and of course not everyone is gen z, so... yeah the average person older than that, statistically, is probably less progressive, and more likely to believe in gender roles. I'm not sure it's true that younger gen z women are more conservative. But if you're seeking a long-term relationship, you really shouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:04 PM
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A guy who is bloviating online about how women only go for the top 20% of men. And 80% of average guys don't stand a chance. And women's standards are so unreasonably high no one could ever meet them. AF/BB.... And other chronically online takes. Usually virgin. Of course they're usually romantically unsuccessful. Someone being a victim of the thing they're complaining about is naturally going to be familiar with the state of society. It's like saying 'you're complaining about how hard it is to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:54 PM
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Incel is the term people use instead of virgin when they want to pretend they're not simply calling someone a virgin. A motte and bailey tactic where they pretend they're insulting someone's character when, really, they're just insulting them for not getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:52 PM
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I'm a 27yo virgin. Some people think that's a good thing. Because you're a woman. There is a societal consensus for men - it's bad, and endlessly mocked by both 'progressives' and right wingers. At the same time, men are shamed and mocked for being depressed over it or women's increasingly sky high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:50 PM
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Women are generally attracted to men who are superior to them - richer, higher status, better looking. Despite ostensibly wanting an equal society, they are not interested in equal partners. In a society that is catered towards women, actively discriminates against men, ignores male problems, men fall behind educationally and women start to out-earn men, etc. it becomes harder if not impossible to maintain this superiority. Therefore, it's not really possible for many men to 'adapt'. Also, one c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:42 PM
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I've always insisted on splitting the bill on the first date. Good for you, I admire this. If you don't want to pay on the first date, don't. You will filter out women who have that particular performative, sexist expectation. Unfortunately, getting dates as a man is hard enough without making it harder by refusing to obey your gender role expectations. Women can go on dating apps and get 1000 matches no problem, but as a man each match is precious, something you have to work for, to impress her…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:31 AM
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Well, on that, we can agree. Shame the majority of women (and men) agree with gender roles, largely in favour of women even if they are progressives (and even college students, a famously progressive demographic): "The researchers found that young men paid for all or most of the dates around 90 percent of the time, while women paid only about 2 percent (they split around 8 percent of the time). On subsequent dates, splitting the check was more common, though men still paid a majority of the time…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:45 AM
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Feminists see everything as misogyny. But let me guess, when women expect men to fulfil their gender roles (the ones that benefit women, whilst rejecting the ones that don't benefit women), it's not misandry right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:38 AM
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Sure, but they still might not do it if they didn't have it so easy. I often get women on here downplaying the burden of having to do this, 'omg you have to open your mouth sooo hard' without understanding how brutal it is to have to approach people and face regular brutal rejection. The closest experience they can understand is probably going to job interviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:16 AM
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I just don't think that's true. Men will sometimes comment on how absurd women's standards are that they find the vast majority of men ugly though or if they make ultra-specific demands like 'anyone under 6 ft 2 is worthless'. Similarly, if men acted this way and were like 'if women don't have DD breasts and this specific hip to waist ratio they are disgusting' then women will point out the absurdity of their standards, the main difference is just men don't act that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:41 AM
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We as women are constantly expected to look past our desire for an attractive man. We are expected to seek a man for who he potentially is and put away our desire for a man we physically desire. On what planet is this true? It's certainly not how women act or how society is set up, with dating apps absolutely rewarding them for not acting this way. This is just what people pretend women are like. And then they use it against men who weren't lucky enough to be born attractive. They say 'it's just…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:35 AM
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but I don't know why they're so worked up by something that's none of their business It is their business as this is reflective of what an increasing majority of women are like, openly sky high standards despite obvious deficiencies. It is their right to be this way, and it is men's right to vent about it. Just like an employee might vent when going on his 30th job interview and facing an employer who demands he has 10 years experience to get an entry level job. Hell, I'd even advise men to star…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:32 AM
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Are you going to pretend that if it was a man whining about his lack of success and demanding an amazing woman despite openly being deficient himself in obvious ways, you wouldn't criticise him and tell him to stop whining about it? That you'd just be like 'ummm you're great as you are king! They don't know what they're missing!' or something, like these subreddits do? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:27 AM
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The fact that women are treated somewhat slightly better than men in our society is a good thing. You have done a better job of proving the OP's point than he ever could've. True masochism, 'yes, it's good that my gender is treated worse! Men suck and women are angels!' many of the kindest, most heroic people in history have been men and I reject the idea that men aren't kind enough. It's merely popular to demonise them, and many men have bought into this idea in a display of internalised misand…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:16 AM
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Women largely believe in gender roles that benefit them, whilst disagreeing with ones that don't. I constantly see conservatives unironically say stuff like 'yep I'm the provider, my needs come last in my family' and stuff like that, and want to be gentlemen who bend over backwards for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:08 AM
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Men are far more likely to be treated like slaves. I'd rather be a woman almost anywhere in the world rather than a man, especially in countries like Ukraine and Russia where, as we speak, young men are being forced to die in horrific ways whilst women get to go party abroad. like what? Like limiting male genital mutilation, or redefining the law to allow men to be raped by women in the UK (impossible as it stands even if it's a 10 year old and a 50 year old woman), or addressing how men are the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:04 AM
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1) most people meet online now and it's skyrocketing, increasingly men are demonised for approaching irl and there's fewer third places 2) if all or at least the majority of women are like this, then there's not much you can do - it's already hard enough to get dates in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 12:58 AM
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He's not attractive. He's very ugly. I thought you might say this, given the context of our conversation. But he isn't. Then again, women find at least 80% of men unattractive, so even someone like Clavicular might barely pass by in 2026, the bar is so high for men. A man dating multiple women isn't successful. I suppose I have higher standards. What is successful then? These people are literally very successful at what they're trying to do. To most people, being rich, high status and getting lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 10:31 PM
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Who? Sounds like another unsuccessful man with a microphone. He's a very attractive streamer who is blowing up at the moment and focuses on looksmaxxing but also says generic redpill things. I don't know why you insist obviously rich, good looking men with harems of women are 'unsuccessful' when that's obviously not the case. If that's what being a loser is, sign me up. Whining online is a consequence of lack of action and accountability. It's easier to whine online than acknowledge that the uns…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 10:00 PM
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No, they absolutely are not. What an insane thing to say with a straight face. How does this make women a monolith when they aren't interested in the same men? You will have no trouble finding men who actively prefer women who are tall, or short, or obese (BBW), or skinny, or have large breasts, or smaller breasts. Note I say not 'tolerate' (which most men will as they are not picky/have far lower standards than women) but actively prefer. Men are very diverse in their tastes. And men usually do…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 07:16 PM
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Most people meet online now. Women are very, very narrow in their interests and it's always incredibly easy to judge whether a man is romantically successful or not based on a few data points.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:51 PM
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What you are saying is like a boomer saying to his child to 'just go right in, hand them your resume and shake the bosses hand'. It sounds good, because for them it was that easy. For you, it may be that easy to 'just be urself' or whatever and you see it as a nice relaxed thing to get to know them or whatever. If you had to jump through the endless hurdles that men do, being rejected 95%+ of the time and being rejected for the most absurd and arbitrary 'icks' and so on, you would see it differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:48 PM
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Yes, and notice you say 'men' and it's never women who deal with this. Thus proving the point; women make things difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:41 PM
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Women are a monolith, compared to men at least. Very narrow tastes in men. You can very easily find a man and decide if he's going to be successful with women or not based on a few characteristics. Regarding another comment you made: Cool, dating apps are trash anyway. Most people meet online now. So no, it's not 'cool', and shows how complex dating is - for men. For women it is obviously a different story and very easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:24 PM
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It is easy to say this when you are the employer. When you set the high standards and absurd requirements, and then act like 'ughhh why are the applicants who have to jump through my hoops whilst I don't have to put in any effort in so stupid?!' but you cannot relate to what men have to go through just to get a single date and avoid standing on arbitrary ick landmines and such. So yes, to you, who can go on a dating app and get a date within the hour, it may seem trivial.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:20 PM
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It's very easy to say this when you are privileged. I have no doubt whatsoever that if men had the privilege, and all demanded that women fulfil their gender roles whilst not expecting to fulfil their own, it would be a huge thing with constant coverage, women constantly complaining about it bitterly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:39 PM
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I don't know how you can view yourself this way and seemingly be happy about it. 'I'm totally replaceable and a servant! Yay!' very odd tbh. But again if we are going to look at it in such a darwinian way then we can also have very degrading views of women and their place in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:34 PM
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It's without any doubt how they act on dating apps, at least. And studies will show they care about status/money and, of course, height.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:32 PM
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Very depressing, slavish view. Give birth once, something that takes less than a year of discomfort whilst being taken care of, followed by maybe a few hours of pain, and for that the man should break his back taking care of them for life like a servant? Nah. Men desperately need more self-respect. Also weird how you start from a biological frame and designated roles, which naturally meant women did the childrearing etc. throughout history, but now seem to be switching to a moralistic view that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:28 PM
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Paying escorts is at least honest. But with dating, the majority of women expect men to fulfil their gender roles, paying for them etc., whilst screaming and crying if they're ever expected to fulfill theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:42 PM
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Except they want to have their cake and eat it. They want for men to keep all their gender roles, whilst not fulfilling their own. If you expect a man to act this way and provide, you shouldn't whine about having to do the majority of housework or childcare or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:39 PM
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Women naturally do everything they can to maximise their own benefit, even if this is deeply hurtful to men. Why shouldn't men do the same? If men were half as difficult to get off as women are, and there were stats like '20% of men have never achieved orgasm, even on their own', then I can guarantee that women (who are not used to having to put any effort in or have any pressures to perform sexually) would be frequently not getting men off.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:38 PM
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I don't know what people who openly identify as redpill say, but 'redpill-adjacent' people like me will usually agree with you and actually claim that women live on easy mode and at all times have an incredibly easy time getting partners, whilst men live in hell and actually have to work for things. Femcels don't exist, etc. So yes, even as a single mother (which absolutely reduces how valuable you are as a partner), women will have a much easier time than an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:24 PM
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Well, I'm glad. A lot of women on this subreddit seem to relish in their lack of empathy. And your standards seem reasonable as you have presented them, but if they in reality (as with many women) are like 'if he's not 6 ft 2 and making at least 150k then he is not worth me regardless of how we connect' then I think it's sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:20 PM
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Men love women far more than women love men. I know you would be ok being single if you didn't find the perfect man, but men crave romance; we are the romantic gender that dies of heartbreak. Women are very different in this regard. So, when you desperately want a relationship, romance, someone to spend your life with, but the other gender makes a lot of arbitrary demands based not on who you are as a person, but instead shallow material things like 'must have more status than me', 'must make mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 12:39 AM
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Women, even progressive feminists, are very happy to maintain gender roles that benefit them. They should therefore not expect men to fight to change gender roles that benefit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 12:35 AM
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But I want to be loved for who I am. Not for the love and care and attention I provide. Not for what I look like. For my intellect, my humour, my quirks. My boyfriend does love me for those so I feel loved wholly and holistically in the exact way that I want. If it’s not that type of love, I prefer to be single. Great. Then maybe you can empathise with men, since this is absolutely 100% not how most women tend to act, instantly dehumanising a man and filtering him first and foremost not based on…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 12:20 AM
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I understand women having such delusional beliefs, but a man holding them is obscene and self-hating. Internalised misandry. Yeah men have collectively 'lost social skills' whilst women are all perfect angels. It's always men's fault. Of course. In reality, women's standards have skyrocketed and it's usually based on things out of a man's control.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:25 PM
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Alright, well assuming youre pig ugly (if thats what you claim)...what are you gonna do about it? Write a complaint letter to god? I'm going to vent to a bunch of unempathetic people on reddit who often pretend it's a matter of 'poor personality' or some other excuse without accepting the fact that women have incredibly high standards that increasingly result in the loneliness of millions of men. 99.9% of men out there dont 'have it all', we are all trying to make it through life without every a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:19 PM
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Disregarding 'it's wrong' as it's not an argument. I think how women often act is wrong. but it also harms the employer. You need workers to run a business, and choosing to turn candidates away based off of one limiting factor like race or gender puts your business at risk. If you’d rather have a vacant position than hire someone you don’t like, your business will go under. It's their preference. Their company. You are not entitled to a job. Furthermore, if you reject all men because they don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:11 PM
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yeah i wonder why that is, almost like there's an inherent injustice in society that makes life harder for men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:58 PM
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Where is your evidence that it's rare or that most of it is describing a real experience? Do you complain about so few rape cases resulting in charges, implying most rapists get away with it, even though I could say this is misusing data for similar reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:22 PM
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I don't understand what part of my response is disingenuous. I'm specifically referring to men who behave in a certain way. I view this as a motte and bailey tactic. This is a good article on the topic but I don't expect you to read it, whatever. Situation? Each person's love life is solely their responsibility, what is there to blame someone else for? If you're putting in a lot of effort and have nothing to show for it, then lower your standards. People blame men for supposedly not working hard…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:59 PM
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because no one is crying about soul crushing loneliness for the rest of their lives. Yes they are. You just don't empathise with it. Many of you are mad because a woman MAY HAVE GOTTEN 5 MORE HORRIFIC SEXUAL PARTNERS THAN YOU WITHOUT WORKING FOR IT. Being able to get relations with people who desire you is infinitely preferable to being invisible. And ofc they're not all 'horrific', and women are able to be super selective and choose incredibly handsome men above them in looks and status and suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:36 PM
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I wrote my comment like this: 🧍‍♀️😐 Same thing. Also I suspect you would be crying. I assumed that if people are mocking a situation callously, they must actually think it isn't as bad as I just described, otherwise it would be silly to mock it like it's a trivial thing. As if a man was whining about how hard it is to wash his hands or something. That's where I thought the 'debate' part would come in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:13 PM
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This isn’t controversial. It’s common sense. You would think so, but if I had a penny for every time I had heard kindness or whatever was the most important thing, not acknowledging the need for status or looks, I'd... well, I'd have have enough money to get attention from women. Where I disagree is just how much of it is necessary and how reasonable it is. If 80% of men are seen as unattractive (and this is old stats tbh, before Tinder, so...), and even the examples you chose to use of acceptab…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:03 PM
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I am agreeing. The people here are unempathetic and awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:45 PM
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You try to frame it as them being 'likeable' or whatever, as if the romantically unsuccessful men here just need to 'stop being dweebs' or something and it's as easy as that, but you then drop the fact that they're rich guys working at Google or whatever (and potentially above average in looks). So yeah, I concede, if men can become a rich, high status, good looking guys, they can probably get attention from average women (who don't have to do any such work to be seen as worthwhile). I guess tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:42 PM
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How do you get this from him simply saying 'men want women who like them, they don't want harems'? You people will read whatever you want to read. ...however, you are right. It does drive us crazy that women don't love us like we love them. It would drive you crazy if you had to deal with it, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:35 PM
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see also: reducing the horrifying, crushing nightmare of facing loneliness for the rest of your life and never being desired or seen as a human, being framed by women on this subreddit as merely 'getting ur dick wet' Most common tactics = wild exaggerations, trivialising problems
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:33 PM
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Most of these people you're criticising will say that it's looks, money, status. Is what you're saying contradicting that? Also you call them 'mid' but what does that mean when the stats show that 80% of men are seen as unattractive? It probably means they're above average looks wise, too!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:28 PM
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People don't just say they're nice and that's it. But they still get labelled nice guys if they point out the obvious reality that people who are not nice or kind still often do very well despite it. Also, I think it is special, actually... most people are not very nice. It's the most important thing I'd seek in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:06 PM
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This exact conversation has been had many times but essentially this claim you're making is disingenuous and a justification to always blame men for their situation. Just because a guy is being nice to a woman does not entitle him to any romantic or sexual relationship. Men are constantly told the problem is their personality alone, people refuse to admit that most of it is out of their control. It usually goes like this: Woman: You're not alone because of your [insert immutable characteristic],…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:28 PM
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Perhaps, but with the caveat that most women/bluepillers try to gaslight men into thinking it is enough to qualify. And pretend that any romantically unsuccessful man must simply need to 'work on his personality', etc. It's bad enough living in a brutal reality where you're judged primarily for things outside of your control, but then on top of that you have to live in a world that pretends everything is within your control, every failure a man has is a moral failure and entirely his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:23 PM
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