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Yes to all of this except drugs, but access to weed means he’s passed social proof with a wide variety of people. Wit requires social and intellectual intelligence. In every room of new people, the grinning guy with an easy laugh glows. I like the guy who everyone likes and invites.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 04:37 AM
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Judy Vaughn created Alexandria house, a dv shelter which accepts men and teenaged boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:36 AM
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I read the entire thing and it’s nothing but a handful of provocateurs and baseless claims. If the manosphere wants to represent feminists by a few shit-stirrers, I’m quite happy to represent the men’s rights movement with mass shooter Eliot Roger, deadbeat dad Paul Elam, and half a dozen other assorted nutbars and criminals who identify as MRAs. When you want to prove that feminism has caused actual harm or removed rights from men, you should delete that “reference” post and put actual evidence…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:30 AM
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That’s the most embarrassing example of grasping at straws I’ve ever seen. For every example, I can provide a more heinous male counterpart who was a former felon-turned-public speaker, admitted rapists still serving as clergy, coaches, or teachers. Every single example in that post is a ludicrous example of extremism or has a matching male counterpart. I could make a better list of bad eggs who identify as feminist. There are outliers and bad actors in every culture, in every community, in ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:01 AM
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They are provocateurs on the same level as that dipshit Shapiro and have nothing whatsoever to do with legislation or social action. Which of those women who spouted sensationalist rhetoric killed people? Which MRAs massacred women and kids? The Roger manifesto is published and quoted as often as any feminist shit-stirrer. Going forward, his manifesto will be provided each time a man on Reddit posts that “kill all men” bullshit. Show me how feminism or feminist policy has done harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:27 AM
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Which of those women have been published in mainstream publications and what in the ever living fuck does Cardi B have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:24 AM
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You posted radical, possibly mentally unstable individual provocateurs, which is the equivalent to the claim that Eliot Roger, Matt Forney and Paul Elam represent the Men’s Rights Movement. This is why it isn’t taken seriously. MRAs have no understanding that provocateurs aren’t making social or policy changes, because if MRA extremists were given the opportunity, they would violently enact social and policy changes. If you want to play that game, then I’m fine playing by those rules. Extremists…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:55 AM
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Examples of how feminists deliberately harm men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 12:51 AM
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Progressive men are the opposite of fragile. They aren’t threatened by successful women, LBTGQ folks, people who eat meat, people who don’t, not fearful of people of color, they don’t shit the bed when someone celebrates different holidays or worships at different churches or no churches at all. They don’t worship demagogues or follow male influencers or allow angry, red faced men to shout at the through the screen. They are competent critical thinkers who share the responsibilities of caring fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 12:01 AM
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Women see men with Mommy or Daddy issues and run, sometimes even warning other women along the way. And men gravitate towards fragile women they can exploit and manipulate. Nauseating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 08:41 PM
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What are your thoughts on unhealthy attachment and the red pill? RP men are enraged by the idea that the pattern they followed didn't work on a particular woman and blame the woman for losing attraction due to a frivolous flaw. Likewise enraged by every discussion of chemistry. Also terrified of being cheated on, deprived of sexual acts, or illegitimate children. The biggest damage the RP causes is the reinforcement of insecurity and mistrust.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 08:30 PM
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In addition to the points being made here about men experiencing women who cry on their shoulders about other men being assholes, despite the woman having chosen to be with those men Few relationships are perfect, and few people remain with the first people they dated for the duration of their life. Friends support one another let one another vent. My girlfriends occasionally complain to me about their partners' assholish or selfish behavior and I don't read anything into it because I'm not hopi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 08:21 PM
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I've known my entire life that men have "types" and that my body shape, eye color, hair, and skin aren't going to make everyone happy. I have zero desire to remodel myself into a different person in order to win the approval of a certain man. I love makeup and fashion, but I really only dress up if I'm hanging out with friends or going to women's spaces like shopping. As far as personality and behavior, I don't speak about inflammatory topics IRL and it isn't hard to simply avoid people with att…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 06:16 PM
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Cavill gives off ACE vibes and has a peculiar affect. Complete lack of emotion in his expressions and zero sense of humor of fun. It’s weird to me that red pill men use him as example of a very attractive man. Navigation and negotiation through social obstacles. Maneuvering into position for what you want, and trying to get it through either asking, or proving yourself, or earning it. Few if any sexually successful people give any thought to the process. They are motivated to seek sex and romanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 01:45 PM
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Y’all know this “as a woman” sock isn’t a woman, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:37 AM
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Men don’t hire a lawyer unless they want custody, lab partner. Why do you men believe everything you read in the manosphere? You have the same access to facts as women. “ A Massachusetts study examined 2,100 fathers who asked for custody and pushed aggressively to win it. Of those 2,100, 92 percent either received full or joint custody, with mothers receiving full custody only 7 percent of the time. Another study where 8 percent of fathers asked for custody showed that of that 8 percent, 79 perc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:15 PM
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Men would have to actively ask for custody, which they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:07 PM
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Certain people who have a busy online presence have an inflated sense of "justice" which doesn't match reality or IRL interpersonal relationships. We're stuck with this, and some will refuse to consider nuance and social cues until their deaths. Some of those people are over represented online and make the most noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:57 PM
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Are more boys growing up shying away from social discomfort, spending their formative years avoiding sports, extra-curriculars, instead seeking comfort in sedentary lifestyles gaming and spending all their time on the internet yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:07 PM
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Is it misandry that men rarely seek custody but when they do, they win? Explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:55 PM
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Some women are inhibited and have lower sex drives due to health issues or upbringing, but typically developing women are excited about sex and prefer to take their chances with sex positive men they might enjoy an orgasm with rather than uptight, judgmental, inhibited men who believe that the female orgasm is unnecessary or a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:32 PM
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Some men aren't sexy, some men aren't assertive. Some men have low libido or inhibitions. Some men have porn addictions. Why do inhibited or uptight men expect to be treated with the same enthusiasm as sexually assertive, confident men who don't shame women who enjoy sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:22 PM
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There's definitively an objective way to measure people's leagues Man, if you ever think women are going to trust men who claim to be "high value" while admitting women can't stand them, you're mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:50 PM
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The Left favors raising minimum wage and curbing inflation as incentives to encourage people to work rather than creating unwanted humans who will founder in the foster care system until they age out and stand in front of cannons.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:47 PM
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That’s a feature, not a bug. The Right believes the economy is trouble if we don’t have more uneducated drones to perform menial labor or stand between bombs and defense contractors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:34 PM
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You don’t care about autonomy and freedom, remember? Put them to work instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:50 AM
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Move the retirement age. Force the elderly and infirm to contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:47 AM
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If these assholes don’t want to work, how do you figure a few million unwanted kids will want to work? Let’s hear about your Brave New World. Gonna give them soma and use them as drones? “According to the October jobs report, more than 92 million Americans — 37% of the civilian population aged 16 and over — are neither employed nor unemployed, but fall in the category of “not in the labor force.” That means they aren’t working now but haven’t looked for work recently enough to be counted as unem…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:38 AM
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Oh, I dunno. Time to cull the elderly and infirm, I guess, since they aren’t pulling their weight and doing their share. Better than pretending unwanted children will magically transform into obedient workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:25 AM
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*healthy, obedient workers with fit bodies and sound minds. Not unwanted, neglected, government dependents.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:24 AM
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What are the consequences of unwanted kids? You think neglected, unwanted kids born to deadbeat dads will magically transform into obedient cogs in the machine? Unwanted kids wind up in the system, dependent on public services.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:18 AM
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You’re cool with men and women who resent their kids raising those kids? You cool with the millions of deadbeat dads, absentee fathers, and the vast majority of men who don’t seek custody now? The 400,000 unwanted kids in the foster care system? You sure you want people who cannot afford or do not want kids creating more mentally ill, potentially criminal, unwanted dependents on welfare? What kind of monsters advocate for unwanted, potentially unloved and neglected children?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:16 AM
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The Appeal to Nature is the far rights latest talking point. It’s a logical fallacy, of course. It isn’t “natural” for men to spend hours staring at a square mommy or a square wife, either, but men make no excuses for shelling out $7 million to Epic/RPGs or $340 million for the privilege of watching women diddle themselves on screen. We ain’t gonna talk about that, are we, fellas? But somehow women who choose to avoid parenthood are entirely responsible for the downfall of society because women …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:54 AM
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Only bluepilled men, which is most men since society lied to them their whole lives and told them stuff like "men care about looks more than women" or lies like "personality>looks". Society never said that, men said that and continue to say it, just like the previous poster did. Men tell one another what women want and ignore women or shout them down. Women freely admit that they have physical preference but put equal weight on personality and behavior. Men choose to pretend that women only care…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:27 AM
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It isn’t their career choice, silly, it’s their habit of having indoor and online hobbies. They aren’t as socially active so they aren’t seen as often. If a coder shows up at a bar wearing a tucked in polo, pleated khakis, and hushpuppies, he’s going to appear to be out of place and not “average”. That is, if he shows up at all. I’m saying that people with restricted social lives and small social footprint aren’t visible because they aren’t out in the world interacting with women in social venue…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:02 AM
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Oh he has dimples!! I knew a smile would make him more appealing. Good for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:41 AM
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I’m fit so I’m attracted to the same. I like good posture and always notice an athletic gait. The guy needs a better haircut and a change of glasses or contacts. But since he isn’t relaxed and smiling, I can’t tell what his potential is. He has an ordinary face, but I always notice big shoulders. He’s alright, but there is room for improvement. Just a nicer facial expression would make a big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:40 AM
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My opinion is nothing but an anecdote. It’s kind of like lying, but my concerns are more about revealing an insecurity in the worst way possible, when your naked together for the first time. It’s easy to search for “shoes which adds height” “soles which add height” “boots which make someone taller”. No one is going to pay attention to the inch and a half thick soles add. But lifts add two inches and it’s very possible that she is going to notice if his lips are two inches below where they were w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:36 AM
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Agreed. Women who display lordotic posture and laugh too loud come across awkward AF. Attention seeking behavior is annoying to everyone who isn’t the person interested in flirting. Just be still and go and speak with him, don’t act like a clown and flounce out in huff if he failed to respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:31 AM
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I did, and I was the only “no”. If I hadn’t had years of experience of awkward arguments with shorter men, I wouldn’t have said a word. Lifts at work are a great idea. But they might be risky for a date. It’s the equivalent to falsies or a padded bra which adds two cup sizes. If you asked out a woman with DDs and she revealed breasts half the size, you’d want to take a look at that bra and figure out why she misrepresented herself so blatantly. And I’m sorry I disagreed. My intention wasn’t to u…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:27 AM
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No, thread was recent. Every woman except me is in favor of lifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:18 AM
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Pretty sure I was the only person in the thread who recommend lifts for work but not for dating, all the other women said go for it. The only reason I said it’s a bad idea is because I’m tall and near constant battles with men who lie about their height and swear that I absolutely have to be 6’3. I’m not. But they are maybe 5’9 with shoes on. I just don’t want any men to embarrass themselves. All the other women think lifts are a great idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:18 AM
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Trust me when I tell you that women who spend hours each week in front of a magnifying mirror know exactly how ugly we are, every flaw and every freckle. Most of us think of makeup and fashion as fun. It’s play. But some women obsess over correcting every flaw, real or imagined and all of us know that filters are bullshit. Makeup and filters and an interest in photography give women the edge on apps and social media for sure. But most of it isn’t designed to disappoint men the morning after. Jen…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:15 AM
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This certainly would explain why women think “average guys do fine in the dating scene” — literally because the guys they think are average are above average men. When a woman calls a man cute, handsome, or attractive, they are almost always referring to a man who is in the 90+ percentile, or in the top 10 guys among the 100 who were sampled. You know there are thousands of men women never or rarely even see or interact with. The men with indoor hobbies. Hardcore gamers, grad students, computer …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:07 AM
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People read shit like what ur saying and can tell its obvious bullshit. Plenty of “bad men” get tons of women and treat them poorly for the most part. They like tho that the dude was assertive and most likely good looking. You disregarded everything I said to make a space for your rant. The thing about chemistry and rapport is that you don’t get to determine who is a good man, the woman who wants to date or have sex with him does. They like tho that the dude was assertive and most likely good lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:48 AM
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Mods nuked the thread, so I deleted. If women bothered to communicate more, instead of acting coy, dropping hints that Jessica Fletcher wouldn't get, and expecting men to do all the asking, perhaps that wouldn't happen as often. Absolutely agree that women should take the initiative more often if not always. It would clear up a lot of confusion, but to be fair, men aren't going to stop the scattershot approach to dating. "Shoot your shot; it's our right as manly manly men plus it's a numbers gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:12 PM
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It isn't disgust, it's surprise and confusion. Everyone knows that a woman who is earning a living behaves in the friendly, professional manner required by her employer. It's weird when men attempt to pick her up at work when clearly the interaction is one-sided. It's like being asked out while waiting at the gynecologist; it's like "Wait, do you know where we are and why we are here?" Same thing outside of work. If someone you have shown zero romantic or sexual interest in suddenly proposes a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:52 PM
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Women have an awful time rejecting men. Some men push and negotiate, some get angry and combative. Few handle it well and it’s difficult to know which is the correct approach for the individual man. Unwanted attention from men is generally a nuisance. Men volunteer they are flattered by any and all attention whether it’s catcalling or flirting and they aren’t terribly concerned about safety if a rejection goes badly. Unwanted attention from women is generally flattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:24 PM
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like not wanting a slut is caring about personality, so is wanting a religious woman You just explained what you want a wife to do, you didn't say shit about who she is. Who is she? What are her skills, her talents, her goals? Her hobbies and interests? What did she study in school, and what is her dream job? How does she feel about sociopolitical issues, the environment, and where does she like to vacation? What sports does she play? What's her favorite book, favorite movie, favorite recording …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:14 PM
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You made a post to complain about women being superficial and shallow yet qualified yourself with nothing but superficial and shallow traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:02 PM
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Men really need to stop with the studies and asking men for strategy, it's such a waste of time. Women either care about height, or they don't care about height. You can only pick one. Just because men view women as a set of statistics doesn't mean women do. Women recognize that men are human beings with skills, goals, and interests; an inch or two isn't going to change how she feels. But a lack of chemistry and attraction will, and drawing attention to a perceived flaw is a sure way to destroy …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 01:38 PM
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If she’s dating a short man, she’s wearing flats. She’ll be the same height naked, but he won’t. “Women are obsessed with height” followed by “women have no clue if a man is tall or not” makes zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 12:34 PM
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Do you and your partner get undressed while lying down? Do you take showers with your partner? Do you immediately jump up and put the Tims back on the second sex is over? If she catches you barefoot, does she have to chase you around the house to get a kiss? I can’t imagine sweating over ensuring that a date has no opportunity to stand beside you. I swear men create so many of their own problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:52 AM
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Same reason it’s cool for some men to wear kilts but not frilly ruffled skirts. It’s convention. In the 1700s, men wore powdered wigs and heels. Trump wore kitten heels, orange pancake makeup, and a combover but was castigated for it. OLD means women are dating men they don’t know well, and when one is obviously lying, it’s a problem. You and everyone arguing with me knows the answer to this, you just don’t like the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 01:16 AM
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Don’t know what to tell you other than fuck around and find out. Women absolutely know their height and the height of people around them because fashion. You are giving terrible advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 11:45 PM
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You think women don’t know about fashion and fit? Seriously? It’s not cool, I hate that people are bothered by things like this, but men have consistently measured women by their curves. It’s not a good thing, but it is revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 11:20 PM
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Men don’t care about who she is as a person, period, much less if she feels any sort of emotional or physical attraction to them. Why should women act on this attention at all? Why shouldn’t they hold out for a man who actually enjoys their company and respects their skills and goals?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:24 PM
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Yes, I’m utterly and righteously disgusted with the men who don’t care at all who women are. You think men are cool with the idea that a woman would date or marry them for their money?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:26 PM
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I’m really hoping you understand that being settled for isn’t desirable for women, it’s literally the worst possible outcome in dating. It’s concrete evidence men don’t give a flying fuck who women are, but desperately want companionship and it doesn’t matter who.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:01 PM
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I don’t know what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:56 PM
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Men don't seem to grok the importance of chemistry and rapport because they don't actually care about who a woman is. They care what she looks like and assume she'll just obediently follow them. Men also have no problem hitting on 99 women and settling on the one who says yes. It doesn't work that way for women. Women want to date men who they can talk with and relate to, and men who are relaxed and at ease interacting with others. Women want to date men who aren't inhibited slut shamers and pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 06:36 PM
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Then I'm going to ask for examples of how men are oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:30 PM
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A lack of female validation isn't a lack of privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:29 PM
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Productive, respectful dialogue removed?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:24 PM
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Not at all surprised you dodged the indisputable fact that the red pill enforces stoicism and frame even while you complain about a lack of empathy towards men, who, unironically, claim to be "unemotional and logical"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:20 PM
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Recognized and appreciated. I love my brother and his friends even though they aren't the most affectionate and forgiving people in my life. But they are the most brilliant and dedicated people I know and my life wouldn't be as complex without them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 03:14 PM
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Represented here in precisely that fashion daily, but "I like her so much, she has to like me back" tends to be common in men of all walks of life. Women don't appear to exist as independent creatures for many men, but as NPCs. (My brother is on the savant end of the spectrum and he's loved and respected by all of our family and friends and a few of his teachers remain in touch. I spent my whole life with his friends, most of whom were in his AP classes and hobby groups and at our home frequentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:59 PM
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OP's bias and prejudices are crystal clear in the OP, clear enough that it's easy to spot which category he feels he fits in. Paints status and wealth as a negative. I happen to find ostentatious displays of wealth to be obnoxious, but how people spend their money is none of my business and I don't mind at all if people like to enjoy their money and station, especially if they worked for it instead of inheriting it. Refers to the competent and action oriented men as a risk-taker, adrenaline junk…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:28 PM
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One of the hallmarks of ASD is a rigid sense of justice. Morality is good trait to have, but when taken to extremes it's limiting for sure. Life isn't fair and some people play on easy mode. I feel like that truth really eats at people with an uncompromising sense of justice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:20 PM
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I'd rather be perceived as a delicate flower You'd rather be infantilized and overpowered? than as a threat/object unworthy of empathy. Boy are you in the wrong space. The red pill heavily enforces stoicism and frame and shames men for any sign of weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:06 PM
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The point of the redpill is graduating, so men who are able to do the work, gain muscle, gain social skills, and confidence, will get to a point that they no longer need the redpill. It's larping. It's pretending to copy men who are successful with women, except red pill men aren't actually friends with those men or interacting with them at all. They are watching them from afar and assuming that popular men are just as ugly and manipulative inside. They assume those men are playing stupid games …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:59 PM
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Don't be overweight, don't curse or be crude, try to have a somewhat feminine style that compliments your body type/features, exhibit behavior that shows you're honest, be nice to the guy. Don’t be ugly, don’t be short, underweight, weak or diminutive, don’t be incompetent, don’t have a death grip or porn addiction, have a serviceable dick which works without weird shit, be a masculine presenting, physically strong and attractive body and face, capable and confident man who actually enjoys the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 03:56 AM
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It gives desperate and needy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 03:53 AM
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Completely agree with your final point. Of course men don't deserve respect. But they do desire it. I absolutely agree and my entire life experience has been a demonstration of how important respect and deference is to men. r/whenwomenrefuse and a shit ton of videos on social media reveal men getting violent because a woman didn’t want to interact with them. Anecdotal, but I’ve been on the receiving end of a ton of aggression and a large majority of people “against ghosting” are men. I think it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:54 AM
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Personally I think the reason for this is that men that get respect have to fight less often. Testosterone gives men the ability to respond aggressively but doing this too often is exhausting. Therefore, respect allows you to relax. It means that other people aren't going to emotionally threaten you I feel that male infants are treated with respect right out of the vaginal gate while female infants are infantilized all their life and valued for how pretty they are. Boys and men are accustomed to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:38 AM
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Exposure to critical thinking will always be prefereable to anti-intellectualism for anyone with a higher education. The opposite is preferable for a certain type of people who take medicines prescribed by Facebook memes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:58 AM
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Two year degrees in skilled trades are common if they want to skip the apprenticeship and go straight to the big bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:52 AM
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The ability to carry a conversation with someone is more important than status. Anti-intellectualism isn’t attractive to any critical thinker. It isn’t the job, it isn’t the title, it isn’t the salary. It’s the education.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:46 AM
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Red pill social media influencers are scammers at the top of a pyramid scheme entirely funded by obedient followers who like and share content as well as the goofballs who stupidly pay for subscriptions. The influencers aren’t broke because they are fleecing their obedient little drones. It’s astrology for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:20 PM
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Red pill adherents ain’t making Drake money, Jesus
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:49 PM
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OMFG, how superficial can women get. Hmm? I'm approaching 50. I would love to fuck a beautiful woman in her 20s. I didn't really get to when I was 20-29. Oh.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:46 PM
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I think older men will always have an inflated sense of their own attractiveness and value to young women, it’s just how the male ego works. The space where empathy should go is just filled with a sticky, persistent, egocentric goo and they can’t imagine that the young women they lust and obsess over don’t even know they exist. Men always claim that female hormones conspire to make sex a far more meaningful act for women, but they spend hours jerking it to a waitress who is entirely disgusted wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:43 PM
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Because people with money don’t feel the need to tell people they have money, and because the same men whining about women taking up their deserved space in college and the workplace suddenly worry that women who have their own careers and income want them for their money. Hard to take men who hold competing ideas simultaneously seriously. We know which women are content with being dependent on men, and that’s the Trad wives who don’t want to work outside the home, which is what conservative men…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:37 PM
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Ewww
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:59 PM
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Can’t imagine a more awkward encounter than a man playing twenty questions with me. “What do you do for fun?” “Tell me about your father” “Favorite date?” not this one
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:59 PM
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Too late, you already revealed that women around you make the same money. You just lost your ability to claim concern about gold diggers in this and future arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:54 PM
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Aren’t you an adult?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:53 PM
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Edgy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:53 PM
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Interesting how the narrative changes. The same men who froth over paying for a meal at Outback are suddenly concerned they will be used for their middling salary. Same men who admit they don’t care about a woman’s education, career, or earning potential claim gold diggers are salivating over their tech support salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:52 PM
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Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:50 PM
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Safe to assume your hot neighbors have the same income and aren’t likely to try to use you for your money, home boy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:50 PM
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It’s easier to have an orgasm when the hired help does all the house cleaning and raises the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:20 PM
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Maybe your neighbors aren’t interested in getting to know you. “What do you do for a living” is the most common conversation starter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:17 PM
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As someone younger who gets propositioned and asked out by older men, there are decidedly not more attractive and come across as clueless and pervy. Same men probably do just fine with women their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:11 PM
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The delivery driver can get pussy from women who actually desire him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:09 PM
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They also tend to ask what I do for a living very early in the conversation (sometimes before we formally introduce ourselves to each other). That’s normal adult conversation whether on a date or meeting a new neighbor.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:07 PM
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How old are the women they are dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:06 PM
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Same thing, innit?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:05 AM
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Interesting descriptions, but you left sex entirely out of the equation. Assertive guy enjoys sex and knows women enjoy it, too. He’s motivated. The other guys are inhibited by a low drive or religious/cultural indoctrination or insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:51 AM
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Oh. So explain deadbeat dads, the millions of fathers who do not seek custody, the weekend “dads”, and all the men who advocate the right to put sperm in fertile women with zero financial or familial responsibility. I can’t wait for your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:31 AM
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So “coding” somehow doesn’t work on all the men who refuse to take care of or support their own children and magically skips all the red pill men who want the rights to impregnate women with zero financial or social responsibility. Explain why the “coding” is optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:00 AM
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Dude, men don’t give a fuck about paternal certainty unless it adds a delicious layer to slut shaming. There are millions of deadbeat dads as well as thousands of red pill men advocating for paternal divorce. Give us a fucking break. “But muh legacy”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 02:28 AM
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Because evolutionary psychology tells men that all their behavior is natural and warranted because apes The Appeal to Nature is the red pill’s pet logical fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 12:33 AM
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Bullshit. “On average, women who are charged with killing their partners in self-defense spend about 15 years in prison, and men who assault or kill their female partners only serve sentences ranging between 2 and 6 years.” “An Iowa court sentenced a teenage victim of sex trafficking to five years probation and ordered her to pay $150,000 to her abuser’s family.”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 10:16 PM
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We can analyze the data with multiple factors at the same time. We can control for criminal behaviour to correct for those factors to give us useful data, Okay, then do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 09:03 PM
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The only way to do that is to basically ignore male victims entirely. The only way to do that is to have women doing the exact same activities in the same places and the same times. Never gonna happen because women are far more cautious and more likely to have home and family responsibilities which keep them at home. Just like children and the elderly. Women, children, and the elderly are underrepresented in crime stats because they aren’t out there where crimes happen, abusing substances, getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 12:40 AM
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a lot of it is disingenuous virtue signaling Men seem to "fall for" a woman based on her physical appearance alone. Women need a little more time and interaction before they decide if the attraction is mutual. It isn't virtue signaling, it's prudence. Women need to feel physical attraction and an emotional and social connection in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:50 PM
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God those movies don't age well and they are different for each viewer. For every dork who feels that overwrought declarations of love are bound to get results, there is a woman who is cringing through the overwrought declarations of love. I can't make it through popular rom-coms.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:47 PM
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Putting someone on the spot and demanding an answer before mutual interest has been established is pressure. Flirting can be thrown back or ignored. If it's ignored, the interested party saves face. If the interested party barfs up a confession, he's stuck standing there waiting for a response. Unlike forty year old John Hughes movies, no soundtrack will play while we watch her scramble to extract herself as his face falls. Just say "Hey, Blue Eyes, I have a question about your car." "Move it Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:42 PM
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This is the norm in my sphere. If two people gravitate toward one another, after it's clear that the interest is mutual, flirt and see what happens. Can't force attraction. It's either mutual, or it's awkward and unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:34 PM
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I'm interested in getting to know you and seeing where this goes or if there's more than friendship." I'm saying the overwrought confession is stilted and awkward and puts people on the spot. No one needs to be put on the spot and forced into a rejection by someone they don't even know yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:30 PM
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Yes! Flirt. If it doesn't work, move on. If you get something back, proceed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:09 PM
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I hate cold approach, but I also don't want a new acquaintance to confess his interest in me if we haven't already shared some mutual chemistry. I don't want to hear how anyone feels about fucking or dating me until or unless we've found common interests and common ground. If I'm not interested, I don't care if they are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:08 PM
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Please, no. Just flirt. If it lands well and is returned, keep it up. If it's ignored, enjoy your friendship. Stop it with the overwrought confessions. No one wants to be pressured, they want a little time to feel it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:01 PM
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Conservative, inhibited women with low sex drive want "upstanding" men (yet to be defined). Why don't those men go for the women who share their experience and values?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:49 PM
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Why would the upstanding man bother the for-the-streets woman who is dating the cokehead instead of finding women who share his values? I mean, I know the answer. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:21 PM
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MGTOW is just a male response to feminism, almost a negative copy of it. Interesting, because it sure looks like a response to rejection, or rather a lack of success with the women whose attention they crave. But I can imagine conservative men feeling appalled they aren't getting the same validation their fathers got in the mid century and flouncing out in disgust. Some men are really upset when women ignore or upstage them. And if they can't hang in the current climate, no blame. Checking out i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:06 PM
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So you're saying that men aren't actually going their own way, which is exactly the same thing I said. Call me when they actually go their own way. Or rather, don't call me. Women won't miss them. Misogynistic, antagonistic men going their own way was the best news women received in the past 9 years. The revival of the Golden Age Fallacy and conservative ideology really bummed us out, but we were really excited by the idea of woman-haters retreating to their garages and RPGs. But it was nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:40 PM
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We're done here. You ended the conversation with this: "I was a wingman for a Chad..." I don't talk to larpers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:27 PM
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Do you think that MGTOW posts are hidden or something? There is a reason it's referred to as Men Getting Triggered Over Women. Your posts read like the defense of red pill. "You don't really understand red pill tenets, that isn't what it's about at all" We can see you. We can read it and watch the videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:25 PM
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And men are trying to avoid being used for their time and attention. If you don't enjoy spending time with women just say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:23 PM
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I was speaking in general based on the posts in this discussion. The presence of a handful of women who choose to pursue incarcerated serial killers demonstrates that a handful of women are insane. It does not demonstrate that women in general prefer monsters over saints. And some saints aren't. They just aren't all that nice, or they are ceaselessly sanctimonious and judgmental. Those two exceedingly common habits of nice guys are disqualifying all by themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:20 PM
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Women don't care if men choose not to date them, women don't even notice those men aren't dating because they aren't interacting with women in any meaningful way. Men who choose not to date just read as asexual or misogynist. They would never be on any woman's radar if they didn't obsessively talk about women online. This is the same as the men who claim that women are threatened by sex robots or virtual porn. Women don't care if men they aren't dating meet their sexual needs some other way, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:03 PM
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MGTOW don't hate women They absolutely do hate women and obsess over women and discuss the silly fantasy that women are chasing them and asking them to return to the dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:00 PM
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If you're male friends are regularly choosing women that abuse them These claims simply aren’t believable and they never were. Obviously relationships come with a learning curve and couples get frustrated and argue. “Nice guys” pretend those women are being abused and willingly staying with abusive partners, when in reality only a few men and women are actually being abused. Most are just having the typical arguments and growing pains of living with a person. So the complaint is empty and suspec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 12:30 PM
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I’d say the problem is with those men defining their own character and behavior as good and righteous and better than the other men. That habit alone is suspect. I can’t imagine stomping around and claiming to be a better choice than the women my male friends chose instead. Obviously I’m not a better match, or they would have chosen them. Being lonely is an awful thing and I’m sorry that people are frustrated and scrambling for footing. But indicting women indicates they doubt women’s ability an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 11:54 AM
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Even when inflammatory language isn’t used, men who want a woman are unconcerned with the fact that women are human beings with the same natural rights to freedom and autonomy as men. Women aren’t an object to acquire. The language and attitude is that men deserve female companionship by virtue of being male, that women ought to serve men. It’s uncomfortable to read, especially when those men admit they will settle for any woman regardless of who she is and what her goals, responsibilities, inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 11:33 AM
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Wild how they go back and forth between demonizing women then putting women on a pedestal. “Women date thugs” *Dude, some of those women are thugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 11:22 AM
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What is wrong with you? Honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 11:19 AM
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"I feel horribly lonely, I just want someone to share my life with" Do men say this, or do they pen endless rants about Chad and Ted Bundy and how stupid women are for failing to choose the “nice guy” who actually resents women to his very core?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 11:16 AM
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Any woman is better than no woman. What every woman dreams of hearing. “I couldn’t get anyone else, so you’ll do.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 11:14 AM
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You posted a talk show? Did you mean to post evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 11:00 AM
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I knew every man for awhile before asking them out. I’ve never gone out with someone I hadn’t already spent time with for weeks or months in social contexts. Is there a language barrier?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 10:56 AM
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No different from dating from your social circle. Do you choose your friends off the street? Because my people share similar hobbies, values, and interests. And I know everyone in my group of friends, and know their friends peripherally, too. I’d trust a friend of a friend to share my general values before some rando on OLD. Most women would. date are somehow never strangers despite they were until you knew them. Your reading comprehension is lacking. I would never date a stranger until I got to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 10:55 AM
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You haven’t listened to women at all, the men here never do. In fact men who post a question for women do so for the sake of arguing, not because they actually want answers. Then those men wonder why women don’t want to hang out with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 10:35 AM
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If it doesn’t happen to you, you are not a reliable reporter of what is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 10:11 AM
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Yep. It’s not science, and there’s a reason OK Cupid removed the article meant to encourage men to take more flattering photos. Once the manosphere got ahold of it and pretended that it was an actual scientific study, the recreational outrage crushed the confidence of every man on social media and OLD. Someone should find the moron who pretended the article was actual science the first time and beat the dogshit out of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:58 AM
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Gee, thank you for linking the advert again. Can you tell me how many men and how many women were polled in that survey, which was an OK Cupid blog designed to encourage men to take more flattering photos?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:14 AM
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Show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:44 AM
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I don’t believe men care about strange women at all. They want physically attractive women and are willing to fight for them or sacrifice in order to compete and win them over. They don’t give a flying fuck who she is, but they will sever a limb to capture a physically attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:34 AM
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You mean photos of phony graphs posted on Twitter? Or actual data?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:29 AM
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The one? Who told you that? Most women have a handful of relationships before finding their person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:25 AM
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Men are ashamed of their sexuality, terrified of women’s sexuality, they don’t know how to flirt, and try to approach social activities with a stiff and awkward formula instead of improvising. Intense, unsmiling men with stiff and uncomfortable posture appear out of place and goal oriented instead of relaxed and fun. No sense of humor, a tendency to assume anyone laughing is laughing at them or assume they are the butt of a joke. Palpable jealousy and anger towards relaxed, charismatic men. Sour…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:25 AM
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Okey dokey, Wingman. Ima head out now
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:20 AM
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No, that person isn’t a good match. That’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:18 AM
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Far right propaganda they obediently regurgitate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 12:11 AM
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I am a RP and proud of it. I learned of the Dual Mating Dual Dating Strategy {AF/BB} from TRP. I was a wingman for a Chad This is where I stopped reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 11:37 PM
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No one is asking. Women aren’t complaining. Women are fine with MGTOW, thought it would be nice if they actually stopped aggravating and obsessing over women and focused on their own thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 11:20 PM
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Their ideas consist of multiple versions of “And women are wondering why men won’t approach” Nah, women aren’t missing men who hate women. Women encourage those men to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 10:57 PM
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Right wing brainwashing because the machine needs more white cogs. No human in the free world is going to produce worker bees just because some political interest manufactured a crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 10:56 PM
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Approaching someone who has shown zero interest, especially in a non social venue. Bothering people at work, following them around to ensure they don’t have a partner or ring, waiting until they are alone, making up phony reasons to talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 10:51 PM
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Shameless. Men are more likely to be victims of crime because they are more likely to participate in crime, substance abuse, gang activity, physical altercations, and other risky behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 10:20 PM
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You mean women aren’t supposed powerfully attracted towards nerds or savants. All these attempts to indict women for dating funny, charismatic men they find physically attractive fail miserably because it always reads as sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 09:18 PM
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Men do that shit a lot; skirt the edges of appropriate behavior. If they made my ability to earn a living uncomfortable, I’d shut it down harshly and put an end to it. At a bar or similar social venue, I’d just ignore it or walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 09:15 PM
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You’re sticking with this even with all the evidence that men are far more likely to participate in risky behavior and go to unsafe environments. Let us know what happens when women behave like men and partake in the same risky behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:55 PM
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That isn’t fun. Men are more likely to be victims of violence because they are far more likely to participate in risk taking behavior like substance abuse, gang activity, traveling on public transport, spending time alone on deserted streets at night, gambling, attending sports events and casinos, and fighting over resources. Women are far more likely to take precautions and avoid getting robbed, raped, and avoiding getting the shit beat out of them. Men do risky things, obviously they are going…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:23 PM
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Weird, I assumed that men with access to Reddit can also search for all the voluntary nudes they like, categorized by body party, skin color, hair color, but size, breast size, nipple size, nipple color, labia shape, labia color, age, hair length, state of clothing or undress, sexual or no sexual activity, shaved, unshaven, waxed/lasered/bleached, solo, with a partner, at work, in the shower, feet, no feet, socks, heels, fully nude, masturbating, not, using toys, at their work desk, in the dress…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:18 PM
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You seriously going to claim you’re concerned that a rejected woman is going to shoot you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:06 PM
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The opposite, is there a language barrier?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:05 PM
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You’re in no chance of danger or her following you to your car or screeching at you through the parking lot. You aren’t scared, you’re amused. Women and men have vastly different outcomes for unwanted solicitation. I might have a giggle with the homies though after a beer or two later that day. Women wouldn’t. Women don’t thinks it’s funny, they find it sad to alarming.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 06:22 PM
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If ordinary to unattractive men would give up on trying for the head cheerleader/Instagram model and accept that all of us are stuck dating our relative equal, these discussions and nutbar “strategies” would disappear overnight. Men who spend all their time on porn and gawking at women at the gym and on social media are determined to land themselves a hot girl and are certain they can find cheat codes to trick her into falling for them. And some are convinced that a moderate to low sex drive som…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:32 PM
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What i SHOULD have been told is “hit the gym, build some muscle, guys with muscles are hawt” – “get braces now, you’ll smile a lot and we love guys with big smiles” – “go see a dermatologist, we love sexy skin on a man” – “cut off your long hair, you don’t look like a rocker, you look like a hippy. crew cuts are sexy, you’d look good in one” – “learn a skill and become good in it. become confident in it. we love confidence” Oh, your eyes don’t work? Is there a reason you couldn’t observe the peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:15 PM
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Your narrative that all women choose immoral men because those men are more likely to give them an orgasm is nothing more than an attempt to spank women who aren’t interested in “nice guys”. You digest complaints from women and indict all women when you aren’t hearing from happy women. But you can easily tiptoe over to deadbedrooms and steep yourself in the misery of dismayed, heartbroken people whose partners are no longer attracted to them. It’s wild how common it is for RP men to rely on evol…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:13 PM
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Objectification is objectification no matter who is doing it. Could be the porn addict, could be the Chad, could be the Nice Guy White Knight who puts the women he desires on a pedestal. Like all soft science claims, the Madonna/whore complex is debatable, but in my experience, there are several different behaviors which reveal a desire to degrade women who possess a sexual identity and elevate and divinize women who are inhibited. Nothing is going to change until they realize that women are equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:09 PM
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Wait, is this a bot, or just spam? I didn’t realize it’s been posted more than once. At any rate, it’s incorrect and shamelessly biased Nice Guys rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:58 PM
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Ugliness doesn’t equal virtue, either. There are as many shitty ugly people because of bitterness and insecurity as there are shitty attractive people who use and abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:47 PM
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It’s a hilarious holiday. Tacky, but effective. Men truly look forward to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:39 PM
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Damn right they do. They believe that women spend every waking and dreaming moment planning and scheming methods of attracting and bamboozling men, luring them in and soliciting comments. Tell the next unsolicited commenter “who gives a fuck what you think” and watch the confusion and rage wash over his face, then run for your life for failing to validated his opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:26 PM
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There isn’t anything appealing about the fact that numerous men would happily, selfishly use your body to masturbate with. The only attention which matters is the attention from someone she’d actually date. You think she cares if a slobbering 55 year old balding man with a bum hip would fuck her given the chance? Or if a depraved, porn sick 19 year old dipshit volunteers to jerk off on her feet? Is this what men want? The opportunity to be degraded and humiliated?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:24 PM
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If the man turns out to be a shitbag, it was her choice. No it isn’t. Nearly every puts their best foot forward to make a good impression and anyone, male or female, can be fooled. It’s very difficult to suppress every negative experience and negative emotion and toxic habits and attitudes rise to the surface under the stress of meeting another’s expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:13 PM
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You describe flirting as a selfish, narcissist action designed to trick others. When it’s actually normal, typical, healthy banter and generally beneficial flattery towards another person. Don’t use others to learn. Actually enjoy the process and appreciate others’ company and input.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:10 PM
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Flirting isn’t “practice”, it’s friendly banter. Stop overthinking and taking it as some tactic to fuck with others, that’s such a nihilistic, ugly perspective. You either want women to notice you and make nice noises in your direction, or not. You can’t direct others to treat you in a prescribed fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:55 PM
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Doesn’t matter if he’s a prick or pretending to be a prick. Both are pricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:52 PM
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It’s the very OP you are posting in right now, and there are dozens of threads on Reddit by men whining about not being pampered for Valentines Day. Obviously men should be treated with considerate and care if they are in a loving relationship, but Hallmark holidays exploit the inequalities in conventional relationships. If a tradwife routinely lies under her husband while he uses her body to masturbate, gives 10 orgasms to her one orgasm, cleans her husband shitstained underwear, devote her bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:15 PM
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So do men! No one flirts more than men. I can’t go anywhere without men making flirty comments about my height, and many are wearing wedding bands. I’m constantly called shorty, peewee, and tiny. Men offer to reach things on high shelves for me. Flirting and banter don’t necessarily mean anything. Sometimes it’s just friendly acknowledgment that someone thinks you are appealing, sometimes it leads to escalation if both people are attracted and interested in dating. I don’t think men realize how …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:08 PM
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Steak and BJ day is on March 14th. Nothing stopping the men’s rights advocates from making a big deal and raising awareness. Be the change.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 01:57 PM
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If you use OLD, you assume the risk of dating people whose values and interests may not align with yours, but at least you have a chance of an online conversation first and an opportunity to share a basic outline of yourself. But this thread is about cold approaching strangers. I would never do either, but cold approaching is a huge no thanks for me. I would never date a man who wanders around pestering women in his free time because I would assume he’s friendless and has no social hobbies, or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:42 PM
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I’ve spent way too much time on social media because I’ve been recovering from surgery and I’m bored out of my mind. But you know I am right that every man you have dated was a stranger to you at first. He wasn’t a stranger before I dated him. What’s with the hyperbole?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:15 PM
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I’ve never asked out a friend, rather acquaintances or friends of friends, or people new to me or adjacent to friends. Classmates and a couple coworkers who worked in different departments. I’ve never developed a crush on a friend, either, but I’ve seen that handled badly so often that I probably wouldn’t. Especially since the appearance of the word “friendzone”. Just not worth the chance of imposing one-sided feelings on a person and making things weird. I’m in favor of flirting a couple times …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 11:35 AM
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Maybe you responded to the wrong person, but I don’t pick people based on looks and I’d never date a stranger. I care very much about who a person is and how he behaves, but I do want to feel mutual physical attraction, too. I agree with you that the move to online dating has added levels of anxiety and weirdness to dating that cannot be fixed. Dating strangers comes with risk. It’s interesting to see how the red pill catastrophizes and magnifies insecurities when the simple solution is to date …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:19 AM
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It has to do with her libido and inhibitions or the lack thereof, then her attraction. Everyone has a baseline sex drive. If it’s easily suppressed, it isn’t very strong. See how things work out for the men who deliberately chose virgins then destroyed their marriages because she didn’t want sex as often as he did, was disgusted by certain acts or was too “vanilla”. Don’t take my word for it, there is a primer on r/deadbedrooms updated daily. A lack of interest in sex is the biggest predictor of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:08 AM
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It does happen. Men were asked to leave my previous gym several times, and I had one follow me to my car after he was asked to stop bothering me by management, and another leaning on my car a week later just waiting for me to come out. I stood at the window for twenty minutes before finally asking someone to help me get rid of him. Men at the gym aren’t scary, but men on steroids are super unpredictable and aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:45 AM
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They tend to prefer men they have a rapport and share social connections with. That’s where women are making the first move, because who a man is matters as much as how he looks. I can’t picture women following strangers around the bookstore and pretending to be lost as an opener.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:55 AM
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So you can't go on a date and act like a clown becuase it will direclty affect your memenership in your mutual social netwo My biggest fear about dating a stranger is the lack of accountability. They have nothing to lose by acting like a jerk. Can’t trust a stranger and would never and have never dated one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:33 AM
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Where people date within their communities and social circles. Not strangers from the internet or people that you run into. I am not conservative, but I agree with this. Strangers are unpredictable and risky for women, and men have developed a pervasive fear of falling for a promiscuous woman. If people know the person, or even know the friends of the person, there would be more trust and accountability. Honestly don’t know why men who are disgusted by promiscuous women bother to use apps or app…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:31 AM
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Women generally make the first move after getting to know someone either in social circles or social spaces. School, hobbies, or work. Women are more invested in who a man is and how he behaves rather than only how he looks, so they aren’t likely to walk up to complete strangers often and try a pick up attempt. The men who claim women don’t make the first move have a small or non existent social life. Women ask men to hang out all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:28 AM
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Yep. I call first now. They even pranked me when I was home for Christmas by cuddling up on the same chair they were in when I rudely barged in on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 02:00 AM
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Possibly, and more women in those cultures are working these days and religious and social inhibitions probably curb their sexual appetite a bit. But god, if you’ve never had a man who made you wet by just being near him, pick you up and fuck you on the counter while kissing you and squeezing your ass, can you be truly fulfilled? The idea of a blind date is uncomfortable for me, I can’t wrap my brain around an arranged marriage for life if you possess a sex drive at all. What if she doesn’t like…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 01:58 AM
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Game is attempting to scam women, not actually spending time with your female friends, sisters, aunts, and mothers to share their life experience with them. Pick up and red pill men incessantly claim that women tell them they don’t care about sex, care more about personality than looks, that women love to be interrupted with compliments, that women send “signals” and “IOIs”, that women wear makeup and clothing for the express purpose of getting male attention, that women go out in public hoping …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 01:30 AM
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Then it still felt good and they had the urge to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:47 AM
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I’m guessing many of the people here grew up in conservative or broken homes, or lived an insular life in which they assumed their parents had sex exactly as many times as necessary to conceive children. If your parents enjoy one another’s company, they’re fucking. You’re just oblivious.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:43 AM
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My parents are a similar age and have kids which span 20 years. I walked in on them having oral sex a couple years ago, and they disappeared for “naps” frequently when we were growing up. We knew they had sex. They knew we knew they were having sex. We were all glad they liked and enjoyed one another. They provided a great example for a happy marriage. I’d consider myself lucky to have something like that into middle age.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:37 AM
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It’s important to share a bond with the father or mother of your kids. Children need to grow up with a healthy examples of affection and devotion. The feel-good endorphins like oxytocin and vasopressin cement the bond between a couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:34 AM
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Men claim that women lied about attraction being important but they have eyes and they know damn well that teenaged girls have posters of heartthrobs and actors on their walls. They know damn well that girls and women are interested in attractive men with symmetrical features. What they can’t accept is that sex and attraction are important to women because they don’t see women willing to have sex with just any guy to scratch the itch the way they would if given the chance. The claim that sex isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:31 AM
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When you masturbate, do you fantasize about your grandmother’s best friend’s tongue in your mouth and her gums on your dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:25 AM
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A sex toy is preferable to a man she is disgusted by.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:24 AM
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Because sex is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:21 AM
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Because women couldn’t work and if they left the home, face social ostracism and isolation. Women in arranged marriages don’t stay because they are in love or lust. They stay because leaving is damn near impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:19 AM
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Men are far more likely to have a satisfying sexual encounter and orgasm with just about any woman who is moderate attractive. Women cannot. Women want the same chance at satisfying sex that men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:18 AM
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Because OP is leaning hard into criticizing women who care about attraction in an attempt to shame them into dating trolls. Some of the men here believe the narrative that women don’t actually care about sex, or at least hope it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:11 AM
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Dude. Old people are fucking in nursing homes, which occasionally make the news when STDs blaze through them from time to time. My parents are still screwing in their seventies. They had me and my little brother in their forties.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:09 AM
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I expect to have sex until I’m unable to anymore. If I don’t crave his tongue in my mouth, I don’t want him grunting and sweating while he uses my reluctant body to masturbate with. Not everyone has the same sex drive, and not everyone is free of inhibitions or resentment towards their partner which allows them to enjoy sex. For those of us who possess a sexual identity, it’s very important. Otherwise I could just share a home and a life with a platonic girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 11:53 PM
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You described how men try to game women and get laid, not how to understand women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 11:41 PM
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A “real relationship” with a body, not a human being who they don’t know and don’t care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 11:25 PM
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With a drinking problem who had zero to do with his children except to get the belt after work and utter disdain and disgust for any display of male emotion unless that emotion was rage induced violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:48 PM
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Equal. Monogamous. Incels won’t exist because radicalized environments and porn addiction will be heavily discouraged in favor of reason, logic, and healthy sexual relationships. Politics are irrelevant, the problem was created by manosphere influencers who mastered the art of coercing disaffected boys to serve at the bottom of their click/share/like pyramid scheme. People will meet mainly through social spheres with introverts choosing OLD platforms which prioritize a match of values and intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:44 PM
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You sure that kind of woman is willing to indulge all the porn fantasies a man cooks up?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:24 PM
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The entire discussion is social bullying, not sure why you pretend otherwise, but the “hottest guys” didn’t have to search Reddit or YouTube for tips on how to get women so the hottest guys aren’t RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:21 PM
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It isn’t that, it’s that men who purposely choose chaste women hold and enforce competing ideas. They slut shame other women as a means of controlling the narrative in the marriage, and that adds another layer to her already inhibited experience with conservative men. A man comes along who doesn’t slut shame and who doesn’t actively attempt to manage her libido… puts some new possibilities in her head.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:19 PM
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Hormones change radically as women age, and for many, sexual desire ramps up. Maturity and experience inform naive women about options. Some husbands also let themselves go it become complacent, boring partners. It isn’t novelty, it’s a desire for exciting mutually pleasurable sex she isn’t getting from her boring or selfish partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:14 PM
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Quote: “just not being able to find the right man” is a fairly recent luxury for women. Equality isn’t a luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:27 PM
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We do care about who women are, and we are willing to overlook certain areas where she is lacking given how attractive the woman is. That is why comedy shows talk about the crazy-hot graph, where they say the more attractive a woman is, the more men are willing to deal with her crazy behaviors. Women know. You confirmed everything I said. Men don't care about who a woman is or what she contributes to the world, they care about fucking her and being seen with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:30 PM
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Umm hmm. Because women are easily fooled and can’t tell when someone is running game. That’s the narrative, right? If that were true, it wouldn’t take 99 rejections for one phone number. They don’t like women. They want women and view them as a pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:21 PM
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Saban has been a role model and father figure for college students for decades. He’s responsible for leading the way towards social change and advocates for young men on a wide stage. Cena has granted 650 wishes for the Make a Wish Foundation which takes up an extraordinary amount of his time and energy. Watt raised $42 million for victims of Hurricane Harvey. The list of charitable pro sports players is long, odd that you wouldn’t be familiar with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:12 AM
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It’s an anecdote and you provided the example of punching down when you described bullying behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:07 AM
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I’m sure you can see how a diet of abuse and hateful, exclusionary rhetoric could lead to a bad end. Programming someone’s brain to behave in an aggressive, antisocial manner will lead to more isolation, not less. Both the military and the manosphere influencers exploit the ease in brainwashing disaffected men’s brains for selfish profit. Once programmed, most don’t function in regular society successfully or happily.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:06 AM
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Does he lay down and cry, or does he stand up for himself and show them that he is strong and won't be picked on? Which do you think will positively affect the boy throughout his life? In my experience he punched down at the earliest opportunity and as frequently as possible. And I’m not reading your discussion of testosterone. There are men filled with testosterone who express a range of emotions which are not differing shades of rage and entitlement to violence. Men express emotions wildly and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:01 AM
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perhaps virtue is demanded from these men just so womens faults can spread more comfortably? I’m not paying for a comment award but I really don’t want others to miss this in the middle of our long winded discussion. This is something to chew on, and with your permission I may take it to a women’s sub in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 11:53 PM
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It’s an example of exactly how easy it is to brainwash men and encourage them to do what is wanted, whether that’s pay for subscriptions, fervently click, like, and share, or throw themselves on live grenades. How can you frame the ease in brainwashing men via intimidation and propaganda as a good thing and still sleep at night? I guarantee there is a homeless vet on your street and I guarantee there is a broke kid spending his allowance on radical media so Tate can buy another Bugatti.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 11:50 PM
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Nobody says that anger is the only emotion men can express, they are just less emotional than women. Bull. Shit. Men are less likely to cry in front of other men, but men are far more volatile and emotional than women. Anger is an emotion. Rage. Frustration. Vexation. Jealousy, envy, bitterness are all emotions. because it will make him a target to other men There it is. Men’s behavior is performative and that performance is for men. Women get whatever is left over, including the frustration and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 11:22 PM
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You keep equating being ignored or rejected with abuse. Not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 11:02 PM
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Our military wrecks men and abandons them to suicidal ideology and homelessness. Vets as a whole are in horrible mental and emotional shape. They are treated as cannon fodder, not human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 11:02 PM
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Hysteria about (a specific brand of) misogyny probably is a result of conditioning brought on by feminist fear-mongering and... Most is simple distaste, hysteria is rare. Not to mention a healthy dose of wanting reality to conveniently align with feelings. Never gonna happen. Feelings, opinions, sexual attraction, chemistry, and experience aren’t formulaic. Women aren’t sex robots. The good news is that sex robots will soon be an option and entirely programmable and predictable. except for the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 11:00 PM
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The men who are successful actually like women as human beings as well as enjoying sex and also understand that women like sex, too. The men who try to game women are observing (badly and with bias) the habits of successful men and attempting to emulate the behaviors without actually getting to know or spending time with women as friends and equals. Pick up is the equivalent to a man in a bear costume trying to fuck a an actual bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:56 PM
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If they don’t socialize with women, they don’t like women. They want validation, sex, and service from women. Those men see women as a means to an end, not fully realized human beings with their own agendas and responsibilities. They aren’t trustworthy. I didn’t ask that question, but I’ll answer it. The constant regurgitation of that revenge fantasy is embarrassing because it’s nothing but sour grapes. Women aren’t gleefully threatening men with a bleak future of scotch and video games, women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:41 PM
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Men who are popular with women have no need to decipher or game women, they actually like women and enjoy their company or are otherwise socially savvy. My previous point remains. Men aren’t trying to understand women or relate to them at all. They are trying to learn how to reverse engineer them for validation and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:36 PM
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Women are referring to men that they would like to believe dislike women, often in an attempt to explain away the romantic/sexual failure of those men. Self-preservation is hardwired in women, of course women will spot signs on misogyny and bitterness even when men try to cover it up. Social media is inundated with buzzwords and jargon, political leanings and choices in media are also tells. This doesn’t mean that women know for certain why an individual fails, but it certainly means they can se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:34 PM
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Women have been complaining about the “nice guy” who does favors in hopes of getting dates or sex for a couple decades. Women are not encouraging this behavior in young men. Young men who are not assertive or motivated by sex wait around at the sidelines performing acts they assume are chivalrous and will win women over. Those men say “men don’t just want sex” while chasing the women who do want sex. Those men then whine about the bad boys, who aren’t bad at all, they are sexually assertive and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:23 PM
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Why are men choosing to allow angry men to screech at them for profit? If men need role models, why not Nick Saban? John Cena? Julian and Francis Edelman? Role models in their fields of study or sports they follow? Why not authors, filmmakers, musicians? What is the appeal behind aggressively shitty men who take advantage of disaffected young men for profit? Why not befriend women and increase a social sphere in order to learn from your peers? Or do men just really enjoy being screamed at and to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:15 PM
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That isn’t what women are concerned about. Certain aspects of mid-century conservative macho culture seem to be hurting men and women are struggling to help them. And some women are unwilling to put up with mid century chauvinism in the workplace or in social spheres. I’ll be very happy when men realize that anger isn’t the only emotion men feel and express, and even happier when men stop regarding women as sexy children with empty skulls. Some of the best people in my life are men and my mentor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:09 PM
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If I can get the funny, charismatic man, we’re equivalent. The market determines the value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:40 PM
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Yes, and any trip to a store or beach will reveal how often women settle for average or below looks if the man has a great personality, wit, intelligence, charisma, and common interests and goals. Except for Madonna, women aren’t dating or marrying men ten or fifteen years younger who they have nothing in common with. They choose partners who they can share a life with, not show off or use for sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:24 PM
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They want validation and household service, too. What they don’t seem to want is fellowship companionship with their female equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:21 PM
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Men claim women don’t know what women want when women don’t want those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:20 PM
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Attempting to decipher female behavior and game it isn’t the same as understanding. You just described how to trick women into dispensing sex and tried to frame it as an extension of empathy. Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:18 PM
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Guys with female friends don’t treat women badly. Women are referring to men who dislike women when they use those terms. You’re asking the equivalent of how Muslims can have a positive outlook on Republicans who accuse them of terrorism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:16 PM
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Well, yeah, because prizing beauty and youth isn’t a value, it’s a shallow, frivolous desire which in way reflects on her worth as a human being. It would be nice if men actually cared about who women are instead of how they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:13 PM
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Men: “It’s hard for men to get sex so we don’t want women to enjoy sex either. Suffer with us”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:10 PM
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attributes, personality, experience, wealth, etc.. ) : your package isn't wanted, at least it isn't at that moment, by that person. That person is nobody. Not the measure of your worth. Not the judge of your fitness as a partner. It’s one of 8000000000 who didn’t vibe with you. The alternative is a continuing relationship with someone who isn’t enthusiastically excited by your presence. I’d rather have a rejection and a forgettable date with a stranger than to imagine a future with someone who i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 08:29 PM
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Except it isn’t. There may be a concrete or even nebulous reason why chemistry or rapport isn’t mutual, but it isn’t the rejected person’s fault or anything the rejected person ought to change. One persons yuck is another’s yum. Most of the time, there is no actual yuck to define, just a vague mismatch in attraction, communication, or values. If a man tells me “I just don’t find blue eyes attractive”, it isn’t personal. He stated a preference and deal breaker I can’t do anything to change. A man…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 07:18 PM
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Sure, we wine and dine and discuss politics yadda yadda but still at the core its the same mating dance that monkeys, zebras or ocelots do. Come back to this discussion when female monkeys refuse to mate with males which voted for Trump. Come back when zebra males refuse to mate with females which have been bred by other zebras. Come back when ocelots catch the Ick because male ocelots start spouting red pill rhetoric. Come back when pandas struggle to enjoy sex because of religious inhibitions.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 07:12 PM
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I think telling someone upfront "thank you, but it's a no" shows a certain amount of mutual respect, whereas straight up ghosting is like "wow...i'm not even worth a simple rejection text?" I agree with you, but I doubt most men will quietly accept the rejection and move on. Some will internalize it and let it erode their self-esteem. Every person is worth a response, I think ghosting comes from a place of fear or social awkwardness rather than willful disrespect. Chemistry and the lack thereof …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:05 PM
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i understand guys can be scary and take rejection poorly, but these vague strategies don't seem any better than just being upfront about it. The wrath of a rejected man can be unpredictable and scary, but the reason it’s difficult to reject someone is because it’s nearly impossible to convince them it isn’t personal. Men ask what they did wrong, when they did nothing wrong. They believe they’ve been rejected for a physical characteristic or behavior, when they did nothing wrong. They feel awful …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:52 PM
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When being flirted with, the correct and expected response if you are mutually attracted is to flirt more, not expect a blow job or marriage proposal. There is zero promise or contract implied in flirting. It’s banter. If and when the banter continues, escalating to a simple “we should do the thing sometime” is appropriate. Going completely to pieces if she doesn’t actually want to date is an inappropriate reaction. Based on a few heated replies here, flirting may not be an option for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:36 PM
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Why do you guys here keep misusing the word “dimorphic”? It’s it the new manosphere buzzword? It means there is a size discrepancy between males and females of the same species. Many raptors and insects have much larger females than males. The size difference between males and females is irrelevant for this discussion. It’s weird that men here keep throwing around scientific jargon as though it lends authority. Just because you don’t understand the intricacies that go into play in the mating dan…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:32 PM
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You’ve added far more inflammatory language than necessary to make your point, as is your habit. It’s no surprise that you seem quite flummoxed by lighthearted banter and read more into it. You seem to read more into every interaction. "Try it and find out" is the accepted and expected way for a man to find a partner, so you can't blame us for getting it wrong sometimes I didn’t say men are getting it wrong. I said that some men are overly invested and screw it up before anything ever happens by…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:23 PM
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I think both car culture and fashion are different forms of play. It’s okay to be turned off by loud exhaust or too much makeup. As in all hobbies, if you find it unpleasant, it’s not for you. It’s for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:08 PM
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So never talk to or compliment men unless you intend to comply with their expectations. Got it. Loud and clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:57 PM
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Makes it very hard for women to say anything kind to men when they carry such heavy expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:53 PM
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I haven’t claimed that people who don’t understand flirting are autistic. I’ve claimed very clearly that some people read too much into flirting. It doesn’t matter if they are on the spectrum or just over-invested in a desired outcome, the result is the same. Disappointment because they expected more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:52 PM
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No you actually have to communicate using words.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:45 PM
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Why do they attack Passports Bros and MGTOW that have walked off the plantation Because those extremists are obsessed and fixated on women. That's all they talk about and the general tone and discussions are violent. Men who actually enjoy a life without romance or sex aren't represented in those spaces, they are out doing their jobs and hobbies and enjoying time with family and friends. and what's even more insidious in my opinion is women don't want these men anyway but complain when we leave …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:39 PM
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then they potentially miss out on the opportunity for a romantic or sexual connection. They actually don't. They've missed out on an opportunity to flirt. Over-analyzing and deconstructing simple banter kills the mood and the rapport. Flirting is testing the waters to see if there is mutual attraction, it's not a declaration of intent. Flirting builds tension and creates interest in escalating, it doesn't imply the interest is already there. At most it indicates someone finds you mildly appealin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:22 PM
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Men hold two competing ideas. They angrily push back against the women are wonderful effect while also claiming that all women with bad male partners are good people. Some aren't. Some of those "bad male partners" aren't bad, they just aren't ideal. Have you considered the source of the claims? These are men who try to decipher and de-code everything women do in an attempt to game the system. They aren't reliable reporters, most don't even like women or have female friends, so how the heck can t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:12 PM
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It has always been the most important first impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:10 PM
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Or dial in on them like a sniper and force them to commit, is that your only alternative? I can promise you that intensity and one-sided expectations will repel most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:09 PM
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But men don’t know precisely what that appeal is. They don't need to know precisely what the appeal is. Take the vague compliment for what it is. Flirting isn't a call to action.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:05 PM
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There are a couple men here who rewrite women’s posts with inflammatory language and frankly it’s dishonest and irritating. Maybe stop trying to read between the lines and stop misrepresenting what is clearly written. Men who want something from a woman are more likely to overinvest and read more into flirting, which is nothing but lighthearted banter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:42 PM
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I’m sorry it’s hard, but I promise it isn’t hard on purpose. Flirting is nothing but a compliment, an acknowledgment there is something appealing about a person. It isn’t an investment or a promise. It’s just banter and most of the time it goes nowhere. If and only if the flirting continues or becomes a habit between two people for awhile, there is probably enough chemistry and rapport to escalate towards a date. “We should go out and do this thing sometime”. That kind of casual mention of a dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:40 PM
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Why would you assume she’s a good person? That’s what every single man admits when he says “women only date assholes” and “women stay with bad men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:34 PM
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The purpose of flirting is to determine if there is a rapport and chemistry. He flirts back with the same energy and enthusiasm, things may escalate. If there is a lack of banter and a mismatch of energy and enthusiasm, it’s over. Take the compliment and move on. another woman’s “just being friendly”. That’s actually all flirting is. It’s being friendly towards a person who is appealing for whatever reason. It isn’t an investment or a promise to date. It’s a compliment and an opportunity for ban…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:28 PM
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Sometimes this is it. Men here love to complain about the women are wonderful effect, while saying in the next breath: women only date assholes. They’re referring to physically attractive women who they assume are not assholes and deserve better. Nah. Some people are victims, but some are also assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:23 PM
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Excessive use of beauty products. It’s rarely insecurity. Makeup and fashion are hobbies. It’s play. The equivalent would be men collecting Lego or playing video games. It’s fun to shop for and style clothing and hair, and cosmetics are fun to purchase and play around with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:20 PM
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Flirting isn’t hard, it’s fun. It stops being fun when flirting is interpreted as a promise of a relationship or sex when it’s just light hearted banter. It’s a compliment. Not a promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:17 PM
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Thirsty men read flirting as a promise or declaration of intent. They aren’t misreading, they are over-invested in a desired outcome. Flirting is banter, a back-and-forth between two people to determine compatibility and mutual interest. Most of the time it goes nowhere. Take it for what it is, an acknowledgment of appreciation for you. A compliment, not a promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:15 PM
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Flirting isn’t a one-sided process. You flirt and wait for the response. If the enthusiasm and intimacy is evenly matched, there is chemistry. If the response to flirting is awkward or aggressive, it’s over. Humans aren’t birds. You can’t flash some feathers or build a nest and expect a mate. Conversation, rapport, and chemistry are equally important to physical attraction and competence. And it’s fun, stop thinking of it as a stressful test. Don’t over-invest. Flirting is just light hearted ban…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:10 PM
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Pretending that men an women are separate species is weird behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:45 AM
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Oh, you actually believe what you posted? That’s weird. There are women playing sports on every network and social media ever. I didn’t think for a second your post was sincere since you can find women playing sports, running, hiking, working out, and training on every single social media app on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:38 AM
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Yet here you are, claiming women don’t play sports. Some men and women have little interest in exercise or competition. And some of those people are physically and mentally appealing. But shaming and bullying them into your hobbies and interests won’t work. Wanna know how I know? Because several of the D&D nerds and dedicated RPG gamers asked me out and were offended and incensed when I tried to warn them we have zero in common. For a year or more I was utterly confused by their interest in me a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:33 AM
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I suspect you are using dating apps which tend to skew towards introverts. I worked in tech for a bit and the 30 or so men in my office never went outside, much less played or exercised. They referred to all professional sports as “sportsball” and thought that was the height of hilarity. You know what I did? I didn't judge them because their social sphere and hobbies deviated from mine, and I sure didn’t try to date any of them because we had zero in common. If you play sports in the US, there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:03 AM
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There are zero women in my sphere who don’t play or enjoy sports. Are you speaking of women outside your social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:56 AM
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No, because I didn’t expect them to get naked and let me stick my disgusting body in their holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:55 AM
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Because his pleasure isn’t dependent on another persons discomfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:02 AM
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You made an entire thread in an attempt to direct people to my posts for a downvote brigade. I suggest you learn how to use the block function.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:06 PM
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Little creepy, bro. Cut it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:49 PM
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And made an entire thread, too. OCD?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:48 PM
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Why does that man have to use another’s body?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:04 PM
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If a man has never been asked out, he isn’t spending time with people IRL or is weird around women. Every single complaint men have on Reddit could be resolved by maintaining and growing a social circle and developing a social life. If you sit around incessantly swiping on dating apps, you will never be asked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 06:35 PM
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Wait are they supposed to just continue to hand around? Yes, most people enjoy spending time with their friends. Do you abandon your male friends if they choose not to suck your dick? When she friends zones you The friendzone is a word men use when they refuse to take accountability for their own feelings. No one puts a man in a friend zone. There is mutual attraction or there isn’t. If one of them isn’t attracted, they are friends. Not everyone a man is attracted to is going to return the roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 06:02 PM
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Ideally actually caring about who she is and getting to know her is best. But making sure she is interested in romance or sex before making a move works best. So maybe try flirting instead of a confession of feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 05:37 PM
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My relationships in the real world are affectionate and supportive. We all hug and make nice noises at one another and no one has any problems with it. I’m addressing the things men say on social media. “Men don’t get enough compliments” Oh. So compliment one another. “Men want compliments specifically from women.” Okay, that’s a nice shirt and you look great today. “Women send mixed signals and lead men on!!!” Exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 05:14 PM
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No, because that demonstrates his willingness to use someone’s body selfishly for sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 05:00 PM
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Any unwanted “confession” of feelings is dramatic and overwrought. Flirt. If it’s returned, proceed. If it’s ignored or shut down, quit and resume the friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:55 PM
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Or maybe men could take accountability for their own feelings and behavior and compliment and hug one another, too, instead of simultaneously begging women for compliments then blaming women for sending “mixed signals”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:53 PM
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I’m saying that they don’t change out of the clothes they were wearing on a run or a bicycle. Where in the world do you people live? It’s 40 degrees in my city today and every moderately fit man is wearing shorts. On any given sunny day there are runners and cyclists everywhere. And no one cares if people wear exercise gear. This isn’t a real problem, it’s manufactured outrage to spank women for daring to be attractive but unavailable. Ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:50 PM
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I don’t care if men want romance or sex, when they lay all the heavy weight of weeks or months of unrequited love on someone who isn’t interested, it sucks. Women know when men don’t get what they want, they flounce out and take their friendship with them. Admit you love the drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:05 PM
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Oh come on. You know that the overwrought “confession of feelings and undying love” thing is undesirable. It’s ridiculous and histrionic. You flirt. If she flirts back, it’s mutual. If she ignores it, save the “confession” for your poetry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:58 PM
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It doesn’t matter how he feels if it isn’t mutual. Unwanted, unreciprocated romantic or sexual attention isn’t cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:48 PM
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So show men zero affection, no compliments, no hugs because they reliably misinterpret. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:46 PM
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You and several other men are telling men they have no chance of flirting if they aren’t conventionally attractive. Mutual attraction and mutual interest are all that matters. Everyone had different taste and preferences and there is no universal face which makes panties drop.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:37 PM
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There isn’t anything wrong with wanting sex, that isn’t a problem if both people want sex. Most men here need to drop the phony chivalry act, you’re cockblocking yourselves. Flirting implies and creates sexual tension.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:44 PM
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Men in this thread overwhelmingly feel their desires trump hers and have shown zero concern about mutual attraction. Yours is the only male perspective which considers both people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:41 PM
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Do you mean opening pants? The reasons men approach more often are thirst and desperation. Men are horny and indiscriminate, and you painted them as vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:37 PM
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It won't change because a man is really really lusting hungrily after her in his mind. I think because sometime some men (this can apply to some women too) feel so stimulated and fixated in what they want , they forget that the other person does not want the same thing. Weirdest thing about men, IMHO. Lack of empathy, maybe? They can’t imagine that others aren’t sharing their feelings and agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:34 PM
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Same. I never dated anyone I didn’t share common interests with and I’m not interested in strangers. I lie to get rid of them, but I’m polite even though I hate it. If I see a cold approacher scoping me out I just get away before he can catch me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:32 PM
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If the attraction is mutual. How he looks is irrelevant if she isn’t physically attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:28 PM
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Women ask men they are attracted to out. Men ask all women out relentlessly until one caves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:27 PM
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Are women allowed to feel physical attraction or no? Do all PPD men want women regardless if they are mutually attracted or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:25 PM
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Men make it crystal clear that women cannot show affection or compliment men without them assuming sex is going to happen. All those ridiculous requests for compliments and hugs on AskMen are bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:21 PM
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Are you elderly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:17 PM
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Is there flirting? Touching? References or conversations about sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:09 PM
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You don’t need to be a mind reader. Flirting is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:07 PM
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Make it clear you're comfortable with rejection, Yeah that’s never gonna happen. When they don’t get what they want, they take their ball and go home.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:05 PM
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Are the feelings reciprocal?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:02 PM
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We must live in different countries. Men and women “approach” one another in clubs, bars, festivals, concerts and all venues where people gather to socialize. I don’t know anyone who would be cool with a stranger on the street asking them out. Everyone I know and everything I’ve seen on social media is startled by men approaching them on the street and at work. Where do you see women hoping to meet a man at the bus stop? Rom-coms?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 12:54 PM
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I pay for a women’s only gym. I’ve never worn anything except a sports bra and shorts or tight pants. That’s how most of us dress and none of us are cruising. Are soccer, football, baseball, and tennis players looking for female attention? Cyclists? Runners? Swimmers? Or are they wearing the gear which suits their hobby?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:59 AM
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why are you adding loners to this? no one has said this at all and i dont think loner is synonymous with stranger. Huh? A lone man who isn’t with friends in a social venue is a loner. Wha you keep trying to ignore is that women complain about men not approaching them in public Never seen that. So the reason why men dont approach in public is because women told them not too. Define public. Club, festival, bar, concert? Or bus stop? Her place of employment?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:57 AM
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Yes? Loners in a non-social venue approaching women are not and never were trustworthy? It’s always been sketchy. Is this news, Mystery?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:48 AM
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Charming means affable and friendly, not smarmy and manipulative. Women do not like car salesmen; car salesmen like themselves. Your definitions are deliberately charged and misleading. Charisma and confidence in one’s own skin are far more attractive than insecurity and neuroticism. People with character are trustworthy and likable, the opposite of manipulative and shady.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:49 PM
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Got to be honest women kid of messed up dating and approaching women on the street. Pretty sure the men who approach strangers on the street messed that up. It's awkward to alarming, always was. Is this a mugger? Human trafficker? Is he nuts? Why is he hitting on women at the bus stop instead of that bar over there? Why is he wearing funny clothes?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:57 PM
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This isn’t an age gap discussion, I was throwing out some examples of men who might hit on a particular woman and which of those might be considered creepy. The age can be 28 or 38. The point is that unwanted sexual attention determines the creep, not the age, not the profession, not simple conversation. Even if ugly guy is telling her she has a gas pump stuck to her car. It’s possible that a woman might misread a helpful comment as a pickup attempt, but you can blame pick up artists for that on…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:58 PM
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It’s just venting and comparing notes, innit?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 06:55 PM
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A woman is far more likely to enjoy sex and orgasm with a man she’s physically attracted to. No amount of technique is going to work if she isn’t excited by his hands on her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 06:53 PM
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Creepy" usually boils down to the fact that the guy is unattractive. Many behaviors as such require context in order to evaluate them as 'creepy' ones. Most often actions are deemed 'creepy' by women who are physically repulsed by the guy making those actions. If guy was hot then of course those behaviors would range from positive to acceptable. Creepy has always meant “unwanted sexual behavior from a man she isn’t attracted to”. No one has redefined anything. Unwanted sexual advances are creepy…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 06:44 PM
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Most confusing post I’ve read. Women like sex and prefer to date men who excite them sexually as opposed to unattractive, unappealing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 06:00 PM
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If I were working out and that creep kept staring and trying to get close to me, I would ask him to go away or I’d complain to management. To you it’s nothing. Sex pests like that guy make gyms uncomfortable to unusable. I’ve been driving across town to a women’s only gym because of men like that, but I’m going to return to the much larger unisex gym because they put cameras in every corner with a monitor bank at the front desk. Unsurprisingly, complaints about men leering and pestering women ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 05:39 PM
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Did someone tell you to date within your friends group? That isn’t what is meant by a social sphere. Your friends are platonic. Your social circle is for doing social activities and going to social venues where you can meet and mingle with others. Your friends might introduce you to peripheral friends, but being your wingman isn’t what friends are for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 05:32 PM
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Can you rephrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 05:23 PM
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A functional human being capable of interacting with members of the opposite sex without whining about the friendzone or moaning about Chad is sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:58 PM
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Aside from the ethical problems with porn? Women don't want to have sex with men who consume excessive amounts of porn because they are terrible lovers and apparently many suffer from death grip. Women don't care if men they aren't dating consume porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:56 PM
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sexually dimorphic That doesn't mean what you think it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:54 PM
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I watched the video, and no he wasn't. They never are. Men treat the gym like a club and bother the hell out of attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:51 PM
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You think male cyclists and runners quickly change out of their nut-huggers before running errands? No they don't. They do what every other athlete does. They get lunch, put gas in their vehicles, grab a beer, pick up groceries, hang out with like-minded people. You know, normal things that normal people who get exercise do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:45 PM
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He stared at her for a very long time, interrupted her, and hovered as creeps do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:43 PM
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I don't believe you've ever been "in the streets" if you've never seen cyclists and runners wearing skin tight pants. It's common and has been for years, and no one cares. You know why? Because women don't take offense at men who are dressed in revealing clothing. It's a nothing. The complaints about women in yoga pants is a made up problem to justify gawking and leering.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:41 PM
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I'd be happy with manners and decorum regardless of testosterone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:31 PM
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Thanks for taking the opportunity to claim you don't look at men's butts, but I don't believe you never see men sporting revealing athletic gear unless you don't get any exercise or leave your house.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:29 PM
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Apparently, we’re just killing bitches all over the fucking place. Men who refer to women as bitches are scary, that's for sure. If a guy friend said “Leonardo DiCaprio isn’t doing anything wrong!”, you’d tear his ass to pieces and drop him like a hot fucking potato Leo is old and unattractive, but he does have talent and lives for photo ops. The young women who date him are opportunists who piggyback on his fame to jumpstart their careers. where’s all the fear about being murdered there? One of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:26 PM
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Was she filming sexual content at the gym or working out?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 01:48 PM
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Yep. Leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 12:09 PM
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Because they want her to be dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 12:08 PM
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I think a lot of men actually would love to meet a woman who is smart, interesting, fun, etc. but can't even fathom the idea because they haven't met a woman who is any of those things. Women rarely meet a man who isn’t a walking sack of testosterone performing stunts in an attempt to get sex. But here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:58 AM
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They lie to protect themselves, not to protect your feelings. They don’t want your fugly ass “getting all weird” because of the rejection. Do you blame them? Men kill women for rejecting or ignoring them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:46 AM
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You’ve said this everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:37 AM
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Ugly, awkward men good, attractive, popular men bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:12 AM
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Pedophilia. Copypasta is irrelevant. Why allow this?
/r/AllPillDebate30/01/23 05:42 PM
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Pedo. He gets to fuck her tight pussy every night. He gets the benefits of her kind and sweet personality that came from the way you raised her. As a man who has a daughter, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 years of your life simply to raise a girl for another man to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck.MachiNarciBolshevik Marxist Redpill [score hidden] 12 hours ago
/r/AllPillDebate30/01/23 04:34 PM
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He's a pedo. [–]MachiNarciBolshevik Marxist Redpill [score hidden] 12 hours ago Is having daughters the ultimate cuckoldry? I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a daughter. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a girl for at least 18 years solely so she can go and get ravaged by another man. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little girl - reading her stories at bedtime, making her go to sports practice, making …
/r/AllPillDebate30/01/23 04:33 PM
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