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DiscussionSincereDiscussion/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 05:24 PM
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The word "hypocritical" is completely inappropriate -- the men are being completely consistent. "Men complain about being friendzoned" "So anyways, I was in the middle of friendzoning this guy, and he was less interested in talking to me. WTF?" I'm willing to admit that if the guy literally just walks away right after she mentions having a boyfriend, then that would be rude (although it still wouldn't be hypocritical). But she's not even saying that. She's saying that in future conversations the…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/06/19 08:47 PM
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Regarding men telling women that NEETing is an optimal strategy for attracting a high value male: I've never seen this, and I don't really see how someone could defend that as a strategy. If you either can link me to someone making this argument, or just explain the argument that someone made, I would like to hear it, because I am genuinely curious. I agree but I also don't think women doing this are doing it to attract men. Attracting men is a deliberate process that requires a lot of time cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 04:27 AM
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Exactly. The crucial context missing from this thread is the op-eds, blog posts, reddit threads, etc. where 40 year old career women wonder why men aren't interested in them despite their PhD in gender studies and ability to speak 5 languages. Do men actually tell women "your career doesn't make you attractive, you should therefore NEET until one day Chad comes along and wifes you up", or do they actually just laugh at women who choose career(and/or CC) over family and then regretted it? Inciden…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 01:07 AM
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No. That said, there is no female equivalent of "my 3 kids that I spent my life raising and busted my ass trying to provide for aren't actually mine". I'd be curious to hear what women think the most comparable thing would be. Having a husband who says he "doesn't want kids" and then you find out he got his secretary pregnant and is planning on leaving you for her? That's the best I can come up with off the top of my head, and it still doesn't seem as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 08:24 PM
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Stop noticing things!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 04:47 PM
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RP: women are fickle and need to stop divorcing men because they're unhaaaaaappy also RP: children make me unhaaaaaappy Sorry but this line of thinking is why there's going to be no white people in the future. Welp, we had a good run.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:19 PM
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Poland sure. Vietnam/Thailand/etc. no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 04:23 AM
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I'm sorry, but your argument doesn't make sense. TRP exists because women are going their own way?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 04:06 AM
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Men do marry sluts. And then they get DB'd and realize it was a horrible decision. This thread is basically pointless. How are we even supposed to challenge the view? "No, men hate when women have sex with them regularly". It's just dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 07:01 AM
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I am reluctant to dismiss an individual person's experiences. There are lots of shitty families out there. Being subjected to abuse doesn't make you inferior when it inevitably fucks you up and damages your thought processes. That said, I don't agree with the premises of the argument. I don't think women are inferior I don't think women are subjected to cultural narratives that say women are inferior (that doesn't mean that women live their lives without having their feelings hurt) But if they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 05:45 PM
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The idea that women are sexually selective ONLY because of cultural pressures is something I've heard from multiple feminists. I understand how traits could be assigned different values in different cultures, of course -- but the idea the selection itself is learned? Absolutely bonkers idea. Reminds me of the classic "the reason I'm attracted to bad boys is because when I was 6 my grandma told me that if a boy is teasing you it means he likes you".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 07:33 PM
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No disagreements here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 07:52 PM
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Right -- I understand the legal context of innocent until proven guilty. What I'm saying is that it is a fundamentally good principle, and weaponized (but unsubstantiated) claims of sexual assault/rape/harassment are a Bad Thing precisely because they undermine that principle (not because I think employers are legally obligated to wait for a trial before firing someone -- clearly they aren't; employers can basically fire you any reason where I live). With all that said, I am indeed disturbed and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 07:33 PM
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I think there is some truth in this thread, but I can't fully agree with the examples you've chosen. TRP does takes some examples of abhorrent behavior and generalize it to all women. That's virtually undeniable. No, most women won't get impregnated by your best friend and trick you into raising the kid. No, 99% of women won't lie about being raped. No, most women don't have an n-count of 200 before they're 20. Reading TRP, you wouldn't necessarily get that impression! With all that said... Hype…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 07:09 PM
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Do I think false accusations occur? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 06:40 PM
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I mean compatible as in "coexisting in a state of equilibrium". Perhaps a more accurate title would have been "Is a casual sex/hookup culture compatible with the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty'?" It is definitely not just a "team man" issue, though. As I said in my reply to someone else, if women are completely dismissed and/or blamed for sexual assault (or rape, etc.), then ...well, I don't have to explain why that's bad for women. Of course, the "team man" side of things is "What a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 06:39 PM
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And then days/weeks/months/years later change your mind and say you were raped/assaulted/harrassed. What then? That's what this thread is talking about. If women in that situation are believed, then men are in a shitty situation where they are taking a massive risk with their (intimate) interactions with women. If women in that situation are NOT believed, then women are in a shitty situation where they are taking a massive risk with their (intimate) interactions with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 05:47 PM
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I think there is a grain of truth to the idea but overall, I agree that it is mostly a cope. "The women fucking Chad are actually miserable!" The story is just too simple to be accurate. With that said, "women are miserable" does not have to imply "...and therefore we should put them back in the kitchen". There are many components to this. Cognitively elite women who were confined to a small subset of shitty jobs or the home were definitely miserable. On the other hand, I don't think it's obviou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 05:15 PM
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They are declining relative to their highs in the 1980s, but they are still way more frequent than in the 1960s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 03:31 AM
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Divorce is more common now than it was then, so that is worth considering with regard to your argument re: "good old times". I was going to write out a long series of premises with a conclusion, but it's completely unnecessary. It's just a long way of saying "supply and demand". Women are sexually selective and some men will inevitably not make the cut. Those men aren't going to be happy about it. You can mitigate this with cultural standards/laws on sex and monogamy. Descriptions of bottom tier…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 07:27 PM
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I haven't read that book, though I have watched the author talking about it. I was really interested by what he said regarding UMC people not "preaching what they practice". That is absolutely my experience too. (In terms of UMC people waiting until marriage to have kids, staying married, etc.; but refusing to uphold that as an ideal and instead saying "well you know everyone has their own opinion on how they should live their life"). I am sympathetic to his broader point about IQ and self-sorti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 05:53 PM
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As a left-wing red piller, I think both you and /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin are right. BPers do, in my experience, occasionally say things (regarding class) that make you say "huh...that seems inconsistent with your worldview at large". I wouldn't say that they have a disdain for poor people in general -- but some definitely do. (Or it might just be pure sexism; maybe they think poor men are stupid and lazy, but poor women are victims of an oppressive system). There was a thread in the last few days whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 05:15 PM
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The thread's title is bulletproof (indeed, men don't become more attractive to 22 year old women simply through aging), but it's also a strawman, or at the very least, a misunderstanding of the evidence supporting a more nuanced claim about relative position in the (S/R)MV. Overall, I'd say what you see on TRP is 50% cope, 50% truth. I will admit further, that the "50% truth" still only applies to a relatively small number of men in fairly specific circumstances (although the point about relativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 05:44 AM
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I agree that the legal system is biased against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 06:30 PM
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Stealing $1000 and stealing $1000000 are different degrees of the same crime. They are both stealing, but they are punished differently. Stealing $1000 from a rich person vs. stealing it from a poor person is the same crime, and theoretically are not punished differently. The DV situation, in my opinion, is more comparable to the former situation than the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 11:00 PM
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Yes, I support his right to defend himself. That is not the same thing as saying he has the right to escalate a conflict as much as he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 10:53 PM
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I don't believe that women are weaker therefore we should punish men harder for hitting them. I'm saying that men are stronger and are therefore more able and more likely to inflict more damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 10:42 PM
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I genuinely have no idea what you mean by "apply the same standard" in this context. If someone picks a fight with someone way stronger than them, they are definitely not maximizing their chances of Not Being Killed. They are making an immoral and unwise choice. Now, switching focus to the perspective of the bigger guy in this scenario: I think stepping away and de-escalating would be the ideal thing to do. If he is being attacked, then I of course support his right to self-defense. I don't supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 10:34 PM
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I wasn't trying to imply that DV was committed by all men or all women. So I don't see the point of your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 10:24 PM
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It absolutely might be the case, but what I'm saying is that women being more afraid of men is not sufficient proof for the claim that women are innately more disturbed by violence in and of itself. If giant 20 feet tall space aliens appeared, I would be afraid of them. Why? Because they could snap me in two! That doesn't prove that the space aliens are psychologically stronger than me, or that I am innately more afraid of violence. (But it's still possible for both of those things to be true).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 08:10 PM
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Yes, women are responsible for their actions, including their sexual selection (which sometimes does not result in their self-interest being maximized -- indeed!). It's possible to believe what I said above AND believe that men are responsible for more harm (in terms of damage done) in total than women when it comes to domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 08:05 PM
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I don't see how that's a contradiction. Slapping your partner is wrong. Punching your partner is wrong. These two actions do not produce the same amount of harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 07:56 PM
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I don't know what you mean by "psychologically weaker". It's not clear to me that women being more afraid of physically abusive men than vice versa proves that women are psychologically weaker. It just means that they are looking at things rationally. They are weaker physically and thus have more to be afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 07:41 PM
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Perhaps I worded my statement poorly. What people think I'm saying: "Men are stronger; therefore, they have the responsibility to turn the other cheek and not complain when their wife slaps them" What I'm actually saying: "DV is wrong in all contexts. But a slap is not equivalent to a black eye. Men are not, by and large, living in fear that their gfs or wives are going to snap and kill them, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 07:26 PM
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I'm not sure if I would phrase it like that (re: more damaged from losing a fight), but I do agree that male-on-female violence is different in character than woman-on-man violence. (And I think this might relate to your other point about the fact that women are sometimes responsible for killing their husbands). My gf is capable of killing me. If she were to commit to murdering me, I'd be fucked. She could get a gun and shoot me. She could slowly poison me over many months. And so on. I'm not sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 07:07 PM
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I'm not saying women are right to slap and hit men. I'm saying that women slapping and hitting men is not comparable to men doing the same thing to women (in terms of harm done).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 06:49 PM
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I'm not entirely sure what you're saying. I would agree with the following statement: "If you are a woman, and you want to maximize your chances of Not Being Killed, it is in your best interest NOT to poke the bear". But if you're saying "Women who cross the line into any physical challenge deserve to get beat the fuck up", I don't think that's a morally defensible position.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 06:15 PM
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Women are responsible for the violence that they commit. I'm not disagreeing with that. What I'm saying is that in terms of actual harm done -- let alone psychological trauma/fear/etc. -- men are responsible for more than women (even if women are more likely to, say, slap their boyfriends).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 06:02 PM
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Are there dangerous women who might pull a knife on you or hit you with a frying pan? Yes. Are women's advocates being disingenuous when they imply that ALL DV is basically "evil men take their anger out on their completely innocent and defenseless wife as she cowers in the corner"? Yes. But we need to cut the bullshit about these statistics. Men are stronger and more aggressive than women. Men are more dangerous to women than the other way around. Men are not regularly getting the shit beat out…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 05:11 PM
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I absolutely agree about the logical inconsistency of believing "hierarchies are a tyrannical social construct invented and maintained by men, capitalism, etc. to oppress women. Oh, you want to attract women? Improve your position on the hierarchy!" It's definitely a world-view blind-spot, at least. The most amusing attempt I've seen at explaining this is when they say things like "women aren't attracted to successful men; they're attracted to the traits associated with successful men" (i.e. wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 08:24 PM
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No lol no system that embraces capitalism and dominance hierarchies within a patriarchy can be sold to feminism. I think you are underestimating the degree to which people can hold contradicting views.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 06:11 PM
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The people who are called "nice guys" today are not comparable to men of the past. If you are Red Pill leaning at all, the idea that women are attracted to confident, dominant, traditionally masculine men isn't a very hard sell. The average man had way more of that back then than he does now -- in addition to being less obese and people having fewer opportunities to cheat. Enforced monogamy results in fewer incels simply due to the basic statistical fact that if one man pairs up with one woman (…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 06:39 PM
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I don't like the alpha/beta terminology but I will set that aside for the purposes of this comment. The shaming that you are talking about is not all coming from the same place. The shaming from men of gold diggers is when they divorce the guy and take half his shit (e.g., the classic Bill Burr bit about the "epidemic of gold digging whores"). From women, the shame is not even directed at the gold diggers -- it's of creepy men who get married to women decades younger than them, or just the dynam…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 06:13 PM
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There is absolutely social pressure for "men to be men" -- and this idea is 100% compatible with women's sexual selection being the source for these social pressures in the first place. That's the exact point that I'm making. Many men have the experience of buying into modern ideas about how opening up to their wives about their depression, anxiety, etc. will make them so much closer, only to realize afterwards that their wives are completely disgusted and turned off by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 09:12 PM
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Correct me if I'm misrepresenting your argument: Women are pressured to step up their game due to advertising, competition from other women, society, etc. Men are not pressured about their appearance in the same way As a result, a huge % of men are just completely unfuckable If men actually put in more effort (lifting, skincare, dressing well, etc.), they SMP would be less lopsided I'm sure that some men are outside the SMP because they don't put in enough effort. But the SMP is lopsided because…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 08:58 PM
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I think here we are running into a problem of what TM actually refers to. 90% of the time, TM is used to describe things that have basically nothing to do with masculinity; they're just shitty behaviors. In that instance, I would agree that it's not the result of women's dating choices. The 10% of the time that TM is used to describe something that is actually tangible and masculine, however -- I do think it is heavily related to sexual selection. For example, reluctance to open up about emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 08:30 PM
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I suppose that is where our disagreement lies, then. I feel a bit odd trying to analyze someone else's reddit posts when that person is right here, but... When he said this: It's also baffling to say, for example, that the incredibly high number of suicides among male divorcees is down to Toxic Masculinity over empirical evidence like lonliness, not being allowed to see his children etc. My understanding is that the things he considers to be problems (like high suicide rates) are the result of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 07:31 PM
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Right -- and what I'm saying is that by asking what his solution is you are implying that there is a problem that must be solved. That may not be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 07:17 PM
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You have to remember that the feminist worldview is that men and women are basically the same, and that any differences are due to social conditioning (rather than biological). Since, almost as a first principle, women are victims and men are oppressors, the only logical conclusion they can reach when presented with information about things negatively affecting men (homelessness, suicide, etc.), is that it must be men's fault. The reply by /u/sublimemongrel is interesting, because it seems to tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 07:05 PM
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AWALT does not necessarily mean "All women are literally identical". I also don't think TRP would argue that "female behavior is purely a reflection of male attitude". That's why there are discussions about red flags and boundaries. It's also why there's an acceptance of rejection as normal and to get over that fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 09:44 PM
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