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All that cricket theory isn't going to help THAT MUCH when you're in the field. In fact lots of people are scared to play cricket so they'll just read theory all day as if it's some kind of substitute for actually playing. Really they just need to get out there and play, it's the only way they'll learn
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 06:09 PM
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Theoretically, it doesn't matter, I'd consider a woman who made $0 and stayed at home , if she were otherwise fit to LTR In real life, i am in an LTR, She is just starting her career but will likely make about the same amount as me in a few years
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 04:44 PM
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Why chase girls? For me it's an innate drive, I don't need reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 03:15 PM
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Exactly some women are just out to make themselves feel good by shooing people down
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 02:58 AM
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I mostly agree but sometimes a woman is just being a bitch, you can't control for that I'm not gonna go too much into the perfect approach fantasy but tons of guys have it, it is hard to get guys to let go, lots of guys want everything to be perfect before they even talk to one girl
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 02:54 AM
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Right I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 02:51 AM
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This comment reflects ignorance of what a dance floor environment is like , women absolutely will blow guys out just for appproaching
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 02:50 AM
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Chads get blown out all the time, it is an inexperienced mans fantasy to believe that if he was good with women, then he could do the perfect approach and have any woman any time
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 12:38 AM
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Your post is based on false premises. Women give brutal rejections to all kinds of guys
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 12:28 AM
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Here's my CYV: You don't need everything that TRP offers. All you need to do is go out and try to game women. That's it. Do enough approaches and you'll figure out what is holding you back. What do you need a big picture for? You can isolate the problems and deal with them as they come up
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:24 PM
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Yeah after you get the hang of it, it's no big deal. Those first few are brutal tho
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:07 PM
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Everyone knows the reason for a rejection, what makes it harsh is when the rejecter starts tearing into the rejected person, insulting them, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 10:34 PM
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lol @ the people who think the "I don't find you attractive" is a harsh rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 10:32 PM
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A lot of us are only honest and blunt on the internet LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 10:15 PM
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RP gets a little too analytical and serious BP people are generally idealists, I have a soft spot for that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:51 PM
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The way of the superior man by David deida
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:24 PM
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It can help you identify and eliminate limiting beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:06 PM
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Ugh I know, I gotta step up the rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:57 PM
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Intuitively I agree with you, but really how could we know how often it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:41 PM
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That's the dream
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:13 PM
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It's easy to say "who cares" in theory, when you're out on the chase a harsh rejection can easily fuck up your mental state for the rest of the night. Part of learning game is learning how to handle it, but that's a skill that takes some practice
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:07 PM
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Harsh rejections happen man, some women think they're the shit, and HOW DARE YOU approach them I'll agree it's pretty rare, but it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:04 PM
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I believe that free will is likely illusory or strongly limited However that is a useless belief , and I'm better off believing I have free will, so I act in accordance with the belief that free will exists
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 03:43 PM
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You would think so, but every time I've been crazy about a woman like that, she's come to hate me. And when I've treated myself like I'm "the one" she's loved me for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 02:00 AM
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I thought it was a good thread, it generated meaningful discussion of what dominance is
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 02:38 AM
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I don't want to know my girlfriend's N, but we've talked about our levels of experience in general terms. I think this is pretty typical. I do have a couple male friends who are very concerned with N counts, for whatever reason. They're average guys, not super high or super low SMV. Maybe on the lower end of average. A lot of guys will ask other guys just to talk shit, you really shouldn't take those conversations seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:04 PM
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People who are happy are going to be drawn toward this type thread, when life is good, people wanna talk about it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 06:45 PM
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lol sometimes showing genuine interest is hard! Hot girl with 6 car and bathroom selfies? What do I do with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 04:17 AM
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Yeah I guess that makes sense I mean, for me, I'm still gonna have to come up with something to say when she says "hey" back, from my perspective it helps me read her a bit before committing 30 seconds toward making a decent comment, I've stood out enough for her to respond Anyway the whole thing cracks me up bc on bumble (where women have to message first) 90% of openers are some variation of "hey."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 02:21 AM
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I have trouble believing that less than 1% of women could meet the male standard. I'm not a super powerful or athletic man by any means, but meeting those standards wasn't difficult in any way So that's my cmv: you're overstating your case, it's not as bad as your say
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 02:11 AM
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Why do some women hate generic openers so much? I always open (irl too) with "hey there." It's not a problem. PS nice flair
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:54 AM
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Incels need tough love and some mocking to drive them to action
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 12:47 AM
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Ill gladly commiserate with any incel who has taken more rejections than me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 12:38 AM
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Only place where most guys have a mirror, I'd assume
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 10:25 PM
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Pictures that express who you are, pictures that bring you to life (assuming that who you are is cool and attractive). If you have an Instagram, tinder lets you embed it in your profile, my Instagram is THE SHIT and I'm sure I get matches from it. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Sure if you're super hot you can take a bathroom selfie and be done with it. If you're not, you gotta work harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 10:21 PM
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The average individual should take a photography class and figure out why people aren't intrigued by his poorly lit selfie lifestyle
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 10:04 PM
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Counterpoint: I'm like 5/10 and I do well on there bc I've got fun/cool pics. It doesn't just work for men either , I dated a girl who had the coolest pics ever, she was 5/10 like me but I really wanted to get to know her because she looked fun and interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 09:51 PM
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It is so easy, you just have to have a cool image. I'm like 5/10 but I get more matches than I know what to do with, and on my tinder account they even can see I've got a girlfriend FFS The quality of women I meet on tinder/bumble is also much higher than in the local bar scene. Less flaky too. I don't know why people on PPD do poorly on there, but my guess is that their pictures aren't fun/cool and that they write long screeds about themselves rather than being vague and interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 09:47 PM
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Finally having enough money to do all the shit he's always wanted to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 07:35 PM
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Yeah, you got me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 07:24 PM
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I highly doubt it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 07:14 PM
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Right, I agree, but I'd add that in my experience there are quite a few reasonably chaste-minded girls who just wanna have a little casual sex as part of their "life experience" but will jump off that carousel pretty early in the ride if they meet the right guy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 07:05 PM
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Similar invasive feelings, sure But (1) anal sex is more traumatic than vaginal and (2) banging someone unattractive is different from getting gay fucked (there has to be a better way to say that, I don't have my words today)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 07:00 PM
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Agree 100% This is why I disagree with redpill about LTRing a girl who'll bang you the first night. If you find a reasonably chaste girl who will bang the first night, SHE IS SUPER INTO YOU, and that's worth a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 06:55 PM
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You're conflating two things: being aroused by something actually wanting to do that thing If women get aroused watching bonobos , it doesn't mean they wanna fuck them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 06:24 PM
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It's a general point, not about trump specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 04:37 PM
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Yeah there was some confusion ther, maybe I misread the post I was responding too , I'm not sure
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 04:34 PM
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Wait, now you are talking about a different thing Having bodily orifice violated is not the same as banging an ugly girl
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 04:33 PM
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How is everyone here ignorant of the fact that a penis is forceful and intrusive while a vagina is not
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/16 01:39 AM
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One sane person in this whole thread
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:54 PM
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You're overselling your point, I am repulsed by the thought of fucking a whale of a woman in a completely dofferent way than by the thought of someone's violating my asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:52 PM
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A lot of BP arguments are couched in moral terms, one of the ways to attack such arguments is to argue back on those same moral terms Not my favorite style of argument , but it makes sense Edit: "BP is the real misogynist" is also a great example of turning an argument on its head, it is the gold standard of these type arguments in Purple Pill Debate
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:37 PM
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Nah I got you. Part of it is that women like a man who is a doer, someone who makes shit happen, (and accordingly makes shit happen for her) Think about what romance is: it's essentially a man creating cool experiences for a woman. Most women will be repulsed by a man who is like "hooooneeeey, what are we gonna doooo tonight???" They want someone who takes charge
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:04 PM
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Resistant to sex when talking on tinder? Who gives a fuck Planning sex over text is dumb. Will she meet in person right now? That is the test that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:58 PM
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I agree -- I'm saying that you can't separate dominance from status completely. In other words, dominance implies status but status does not necessarily imply dominance Your last sentence helps clear it up a bit what you're looking for here
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:56 PM
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These are blurred lines Dominance often expresses as social status, dominance is high status behavior. There are certainly other types of status tho I'll agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:41 PM
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Well the top female fantasy is a man who is dominant to the world , but sweet to her. If that's what you're asking
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:35 PM
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OP, there are many senses of "dominant." You should clarify what you mean, it makes for better quality discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:33 PM
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that's just a lie told by people who are good , to make themselves seem magical Everyone puts in effort
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:26 PM
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A dominant man , by definition, is someone that people defer to. He is a powerful man Women want to be along for the ride. They want to reap the benefits of his status. Further, they get tingles and a big dopamine rush when they see people defer to him
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:17 PM
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Well there's one reason that RP emphasizes physical fitness
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:10 PM
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Right. What these people are doing is watching novices, laughing and saying "these guys suck!!!!" It's like they have no concept of progressing in a skill, maybe they've never played sports before who knows
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:05 PM
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Lots of people have crazy stereotypes of what chads are, HINT: there are many types of chads , it's not all frat bros
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:49 PM
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LOL "I want be friends" "no ONS" "let's date first" These are tinder code for "I bang hot guys on the first date, but if you don't know the code, fuck off"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:39 PM
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It's like you didn't even read the comic that this subthread is based on
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:23 PM
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Classic BP argumentation "But this 1% outlier!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:04 PM
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This is theoretical bc we've already agreed it's either mine or we make up a new one for our family But it's honestly not that big of a deal to me. It only matters how it reflects on me, how other people perceive it, but I'm pretty secure about that so again it's not really a big deal. I try to pick my battles and IMO this one just isn't worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:01 PM
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I'd expect her to take my name, but pretty much only out of convention. I'm not super fond of my last name and I've toyed with the idea of making one up, or changing the spelling at least
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 04:23 PM
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I don't think lifting is magic, the guy I'm thinking of has excellent game, not like "god level" social skills but damn close. Still if I'm giving advice , I'd recommend both -- lift and learn social skills / game. Maybe he pulls a girl who is more into funny guys, maybe I meet a girl who wants to be manhandled a bit. That's okay In my opinion everyone can make pretty good gains, enough to make it worthwhile but that is subjective AF Edit - you seeem very reasonable about this too, it's refreshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 12:30 AM
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I can't speak for other guys, for me, I like the results-- I'm stronger, I have decent muscular gains, and my mental state is better. I enjoy it as far as exercise goes Frankly I do think I get more attention when I lift a lot, but I'll admit it might be because I'm more confident or aggressive or whatever it is. I have friends who are skinnyfat who pull hotter girls than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 12:02 AM
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You agree that a minority will noticeably improve their phsyique. If I'm one of those, I should lift, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:52 PM
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If this thread gets 13 saying it works and 5 saying it doesn't, will you admit we're right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:31 PM
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Why do people like any kind of victim narrative? Because it validates them and gets them attention. Some people LOVE drama
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:21 PM
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Because people make shit up whenever it's convenient
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:01 PM
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Proof sure gets blurry when all we have is one party's internal state to rely on
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 10:37 PM
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I don't know exactly what happened in their situation I do believe that women generally let powerful men do whatever, but I can't say what happened in any specific situation based on that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 10:04 PM
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It isn't assault if she is okay with it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 09:54 PM
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Well, you've proved that men don't give it up based on wealth and power in the same way women do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 08:44 PM
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Oh come on, ordering non alcoholic drinks and letting others assume it's alcohol is predatory now?!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 04:44 PM
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LOL female integrity tho
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 04:40 PM
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I think people do change, it just happens more slowly than you'd like to see. I'll agree that in some cases, the change will never come
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 04:07 PM
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Yeah I'm sure every survey ever was 100% perfect anyway it is hard to give up on your beliefs, and you should be skeptical of information that contradicts your experience Do you expect people to instantly flip flop every time they might be wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 04:01 PM
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There is a hell of a line to walk if you want to be open to changing your beliefs without being a waffle We do the best we can
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 03:54 PM
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It's gibberish, it means nothing but it sounds funny when you say it aloud
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 03:29 PM
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Needs more context to answer. Is this happening in her bed? In a bar? As he confesses his love for the 1048383th time?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 12:11 AM
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It's strange, they post about this stuff all day, but we've never talked about it IRL. When we hang out we keep it light
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 10:53 PM
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Yeah , like everyday I have fairly activist friends
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 10:45 PM
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Wow, I see them like literally every day. I am friends with a bunch of feminists though, they post that stuff all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 10:44 PM
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Ultimately I agree. But I do think it's interesting how people come to make these type mistakes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 10:35 PM
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Right, my point is that naive men think women all agree with it bc of the likes and the supportive comments
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 06:09 PM
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I don't read that stuff but it pops up in my Facebook feed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 06:06 PM
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Something I think that confuses a lot of men is how that xojane blog will have a million likes and "you go girl" comments, while if a man produced something equally dumb, all his bros would call him out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 05:42 PM
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I don't understand why there is no accounting for child support In pretty much any other situation where someone handles money for another, they're required to account for it. But if it's child support, do whatever you want, nobody cares
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 04:30 PM
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honestly, I haven't studied it in several years , I barely remember the key points, I don't want to misinform/speculate as to how the accounting works In general though, income produced from labor during the marriage (the only income I really have) is community property. Income produced from pre-marital assets would generally remain as separate property , that's about the level of detail the I remember
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 11:48 PM
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It only exists in a few US jurisdictions
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:39 PM
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By 100% risk I mean: What percentage of the deal is a risk to me and what percentage is a benefit to me? Well, I get no benefit. So it's all risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:28 PM
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you may choose to see it as forever, but the law does not, I will act based on that I'm not going to give someone a trigger to pull that they can pull for any reason at any time and destroy my life, with the full sanction of law
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:26 PM
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No, not even 5% of friendships lead to relationships, do you know how many friends I have had that I will never ever date? I'm not arguing this any further , it's absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:21 PM
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Income earned during the marriage absolutely is community property
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:18 PM
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Prenups can get tossed out too easily It doesn't have anything to do with the partner, I wouldn't give anyone a unilateral option to someday decide they want to walk away with half of my life , I get literally no benefit, it's 100% risk for me, why would I ever do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:17 PM
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If I believed it was "forever" unless I fucked it up, it would be different. Does that help explain where I'm coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:58 PM
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That's what I mean, just because someone is a great friend doesn't mean I want to invest in his business Just because someone is a great relationship partner doesn't mean I want to take on this marriage deal where now we each get half of the others shit at any time we choose to end the deal , how does that make any sense , it just creates a stupid incentive against success
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:49 PM
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Right, someone asked for an explanation of the risks from my perspective and I gave them. I think the economic union you describe is a bad deal for me, like taking on a bad business partner, I don't care to make my relationship into that deal, in part because it is too risky legally
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:41 PM
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I live in a community property state, it all becomes community property, my income my retirement accounts all of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:38 PM
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It doesn't make sense, why does she automatically get half my income Ok so I get half her income? She makes less money than me It is a stupid deal, why on earth would I sign up for that. I can see why she'd want it , but with no fault divorce I would never ever take that chance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:33 PM
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The numbers are high enough -- my state is a community property state, so she'd have the option to take half my shit. It seems like a shitty deal to me , I literally get nothing from it It's the law, she'd have the option 100% of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:21 PM
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PUA is a subset of redpill They are not one and the same
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 07:50 PM
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"Usually friendships lead to relationships" Absolutely false
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 07:36 PM
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There are different subsets of incels , I don't know the exact numbers but here's what I see guys that misunderstand attraction ("be nice") but are otherwise well adjusted, have friends, maybe even luck into a relationship here or there but with bad luck can also have a very long celibate period when luck runs out (most common, overcome with reasonable efforts, most of these guys play it off like everything is all cool as long as they can) guys that are very low social capital as described in OP…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:25 PM
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It just seems strange to me, if someone asks me to describe what kind of girls I'm into, it's x y and z. I think I'd catch it if I was routinely railing against x y and z
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 04:49 PM
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Why would women be particularly in tune to women's contradictory treatment of masculine behavior in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 03:53 PM
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Yeah the modern dating scene is a wild thing. I grew up with an extremely traditional outlook, but it seems like that world doesn't exist anymore. So for now I'm just seeing what all the fuss is about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 03:05 PM
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I'm one of the dirty Mexicans according to y'all LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 02:29 AM
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I've been to a couple local political events, it seemed like the local guys were no nonsense, get shit done type of men. I'm surprised we don't see more of that at the higher levels of the Democratic Party
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:33 AM
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I'll vote for her bc her policies are best for someone with my income That's all there is to it While I don't like the SJW shit, it is just a distraction
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:31 AM
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Because they know they can still get pussy on the side
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:22 AM
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Yes , we share an FWB. It started in that we used to chase threesomes but it seemed like those girls were all super basic, we both wanted to meet someone we could actually hang out with when we weren't banging
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 11:21 PM
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Redpill man , early 30s, LTR she's in her mid 20s. FWB that we both date, also mid 20s Worked hard AF to learn game, I used to really struggle in this part of my life, but I'm doing great now. 10 years ago, I wouldn't have believed it could be this good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 10:36 PM
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Agree to some extent, I know guys in those fields who neglected social skills in their youth but not to the extent your stereotypical nerd does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 09:58 PM
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It's not the paycheck or the income that matters , it's the status. If a guy is a doctor or a lawyer or banker--something like that, it's shorthand for saying he has good judgment, smart, valued by society, etc, in a way that a programmer isn't valued so much
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 09:45 PM
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Yeah everyone shits on programmers, that job isn't going to get you laid. You could make way less money in a other jobs and get way more respect
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 09:36 PM
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Yeah no shit This is a power game that high SMV women play
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 08:17 PM
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Part of a (low SMV?) man's experience is that he's accused of staring 10x as much as he's actually staring
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 08:15 PM
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Great post, tracks my experience with going from Low SMV to middle SMV, and accompanying change in signaling
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 07:41 PM
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Honestly I don't see where you're going with this. RP is here to help guys improve their sex lives. I hope that these guys will keep pursuing personal growth and make good fathers some day, but that is tangential to RP , it is something else
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 06:01 PM
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I agree -- taking class considerations into account is like 5 steps past basic RP theory and most noobs won't benefit from it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 04:38 PM
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😂 that's pretty good , I feel like that a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 04:27 PM
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RP is not tone deaf re class. Rather, class is a secondary consideration. Do you really think guys are completely ignoring things like social class when they choose which women to game? Or when considering the viability of an LTR? Or explaining AWALT behavior? It's not that RP ignores them, it's that these things tack a back seat to fitness, money, frame in the SMP. Those things have a big effect and it's easier to discuss them in a way that produces clear actionable dating advice I'll give a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 04:05 PM
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It's great. Easy way to meet girls, in my opinion it is easier than bars. I am not good looking, I'm like a 5/10 at best , but I do have cool pics, there is a lot of character in them and that helps. Like half the time girls are down to bang right away. Something negative is that you have to contact a lot of women and sometimes you meet a few crazies
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 03:26 AM
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I disagree, most people will end up with someone similar to themselves. Party guys and girls pair off far more than either marry virgins. Meanwhile people who only have a few sexual relationships in their life will pair off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 11:08 PM
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I mean "wholesome in every other way," meaning she keeps good habits, is not bitchy, has a sweet disposition, is loyal , etc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 08:45 PM
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Yeah I guess so , I don't know why I'm having trouble with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 07:48 PM
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Hm maybe so , definitely the second half I have trouble believing anyone literally feels entitled to women's bodies , it's a big talking point but I just don't see how someone could feel that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 07:11 PM
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You can find offense in anything if you want to It's an absurdity to think he literally automatically kisses beautiful people when he sees them, I would say if you are reading absurdities into people's words, you should give them a more reasonable reading
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:58 PM
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Me too, I don't get it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:53 PM
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I don't read it literally, it would be very strange behavior, taken literally
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:49 PM
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Does he really? I didn't know that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:17 PM
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AliceOxalis: the woman in question wasn't offended you: she doesn't speak for all women Me: why do you care if a stranger to the situation is offended
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:15 PM
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Well if the specific woman he was talking about wasn't offended -- why do you care what some stranger to the conversation thinks
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:00 PM
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Does anyone get explicit consent before touching other people? Ime most people just read the situation, and determine how it would be received by the other person
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:58 PM
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Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:38 PM
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So we're talking about someone who is not involved in the conversation in any way being offended by it? Why doesn't she just mind her own business. They're not talking about her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:38 PM
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You're conflating different types of sluts. There are extroverted, promiscuous women who are also very wholesome. Id flip it around and say you're doing the same thing as the guys who assume that promiscuous men are all assholes. That is not actually the case, there are lots of good men who get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:35 PM
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So the objection is that some woman somewhere might be offended?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:22 PM
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I don't think he necessarily encouraged sexual assault, that is spin In fact if you read the actual quote , Trump says that the women allow him to do it Transcript - I looked this up just now bc I realized I'd only seen news articles describing his words, not the actual words http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/donald-trump-brags-about-nonconsensually-groping-women-in-newly-uncovered-recording.html
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:20 PM
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I don't understand the outrage, but I've learned to keep my mouth shut in these types of situations. There's nothing to be gained by arguing about this shit IRL
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 04:35 PM
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Yeah, it can be a crap shoot, I've experimented with a few different ways of stating that I'm in a relationship, with varying success. You do have to dig through the matches a bit, i hadn't really thought of t that way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 04:28 PM
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In my experience it has the most people and the most different types of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 04:13 PM
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Tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 04:05 PM
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people in any kind of kinky "scene" are generally low SMV But it isn't but hard to meet normal people who are into the same acts. They just don't get into the scene
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 04:04 PM
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Facial symmetry isn't all that matters You can have a symmetrical face that isnt particularly attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 11:26 PM
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While my girlfriend and I are technically poly, we don't identify as such for exactly this reason
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 10:19 PM
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It feels good I don't know what kind of deeper reason you're looking for
/r/TheRedPill08/10/16 03:05 AM
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Its just a shorthand-- Guys that are too soft are more likely to be overly nice Guys that are too hard are more likely to be overly mean
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 02:49 AM
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It isn't super common for girls to just stop it in the middle I've known like one or two girls who ever did that, and even then it was more like "let's wrap this up" than "stop now"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 01:14 AM
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One of my first partners was very experienced. She was very different girl than anyone I'd dated previously. At the time I had very little dating experience, so my plan was to get out and date and learn what kinds of girls were even out there. The first time we had sex, it blew me away. I didn't know sex could be like that. It was powerful. I didn't feel super insecure about her relative experience, but I also didn't think we were "meant to be" or anything like that. I guess knowing that I'd nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:19 PM
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that's fair, and I largely agree, still they need to come up with something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 07:28 PM
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I thought that , in order to be mansplaining, it had to be correcting a woman. Is that not a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:50 PM
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The republicans are going to have to start doing more than providing lip service to the middle class, this election has showed that with trump and sanders. Even though they both lost, them doing as well as they did despite expectations shows that are lots of people who are sick of getting scraps from the table of "big business" republicans
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:43 PM
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Even the reddest counties in America are like 20% democrat
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:38 PM
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The way I think of it is more like this: Have you ever gotten into a fight, where on a logical level, you don't want to fight, but your emotions are on fire and you end up fighting anyway? It's like there are different sides of your mind pulling you towards a "yes" or a "no," and if the balance tips for whatever reason, there you go. I think it's similar with a woman having sex, maybe logically she knows sex with a stranger isn't the best idea all things considered, but hey she likes sex and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:32 PM
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Yeah but it's only that low because wages are through the floor. That stat isn't useful in isolation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 04:41 PM
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I've seen too many variations of the "get you a thick girl" meme to believe it's about anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:16 AM
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LOL yeah real bars are much better, if you find the right place you can sit and read and occasionally interact with others
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:09 AM
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Ok maybe. Most people that believe red pill stuff don't even act on it tho
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:08 AM
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No, it is a belief
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:44 PM
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Yeah there are clubs for young people, at least there were 10 years ago when I was underage Some clubs are also 18+ rather than 21+
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:41 PM
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There are underage clubs and lounges Certain coffee shops Festivals
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:27 PM
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Red pill is not a character trait
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:26 PM
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Oh come on, you don't think Fat Acceptance is about getting sex from hot guys? Have you ever looked at an FA blog?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:11 PM
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Being shy and quiet is a character flaw, of course you get judged for it Men have it WAY worse than women, because men are expected to lead. Leading is much harder than following, especially for a quiet person
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:07 PM
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How much time do you spend in places where people approach? I find it hard to believe that a girl frequenting bars by herself doesn't get approached
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:05 PM
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highly promiscuous men don't want virginal women, they want someone similar to themselves That said, I don't think anyone wants a stereotypical "HUGE SLUT" as a wife
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 08:19 PM
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I agree with the OP. Most "nice guys" are not entitled at all, they just want to meet someone. They act out because they're desperate and sad and lonely, not because they're "entitled."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:31 PM
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But this subthread is a debate about what the strictest sense and the loosest sense of "monogamy" is
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 11:17 PM
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No, it would bother me less. She can bang girls all day long for all I care
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:25 PM
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the social stuff is a big deal, it made it very different, imagine if you'd essentially be a social outcast for having extramarital sex, nobody would hire you, nobody would do business with you, you'd essentially be cast out of society
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:12 PM
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In my mind those are functionally the same, it's all fluid
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 08:54 PM
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Thats the whole point of this subthread
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 08:53 PM
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LOL masters of impulse control that have new "relationships" every few weeks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 08:26 PM
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oh come on, who are they to hate on sluts? they're just playing a one-upsmanship game on a razor thin distinction
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 08:18 PM
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It screams "I'm overcompensating" IMO They look down on sluts, but they know they're being slutty, so they make a big deal about their "relationship" that's gonna last a month
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 08:07 PM
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The then prevailing concept of rape did not include sex within marriage. So that seems like a big incentive for unattractive guys. And yeah, I'm referring to no fault divorce. i think it's a scam that marriage means someone can just walk out with half your shit at any time for any reason
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 08:01 PM
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Fair enough. But it is the strictest sense of the word
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 07:58 PM
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Maybe I should have been clearer -- I'm talking about people who do short term "serial monogamy" and are also extremely judgmental about sluttiness. In my mind they're the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 07:58 PM
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I don't consider that "marriage" in the strictest sense
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 06:30 PM
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Why would you skip the first definition and go to the second in this kind of debate
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 06:30 PM
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I notice lots of people do this, as if it's some kind of absolution. To me it seems like they just (1) won't own up to their slutiness, it has to have a veneer of being a good person and/or (2) they buy into their own bullshit about not being slutty But hey I like sluts, no judgment here
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 06:20 PM
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First definition on a search for define:monogamy mo·nog·a·my məˈnäɡəmē/ noun the practice or state of being married to one person at a time. the practice or state of having a sexual relationship with only one partner. ZOOLOGY the habit of having only one mate at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 06:17 PM
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Monogamy in its strictest sense is having only one partner ever
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 05:59 PM
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It's monogamy only in the absolute loosest sense -- these relationships last about as long as it takes to meet the next partner
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 05:57 PM
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Sounds a lot like my life but with less bars and more home time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 05:54 PM
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Craft beer shops. Dive bars. Home, friends' houses Trails, mountains, beaches, rivers, lakes. Festivals.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 05:51 PM
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I think there's some peace of mind knowing your partner is okay with it. I always cheated in secret in past relationships, and there's some guilt there. It feels great knowing that I'm absolved of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 05:44 PM
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It was an actual lifelong commitment marital rape was not a thing marriage was socially respected in ways that don't exist anymore conversely, being unmarried was socially disrespected
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 05:34 PM
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Marriage 1.0 (as it is called in the manosphere) was a very different thing than what marriage is today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 05:09 PM
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I don't think millennial women are as picky as you say. I know lots of married guys who work in very low paying jobs, somehow they found women to marry
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 10:43 PM
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Marriage doesn't mean anything any more. What do I get out of marriage? There is literally nothing for me that I can't get without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 10:33 PM
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Right. There ARE behavioral traits that a man can exhibit which are attractive. But niceness isn't really one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 08:14 PM
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Well I was taught that niceness was attractive, but that's a different issue in my mind. The way I was taught was that they're both attractive -- I don't really see it that way anymore. I don't believe niceness is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 07:53 PM
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I have no idea -- I was never taught that looks don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 07:44 PM
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What movie casts a bunch of ugly actors? I don't think that ever happens. Even when someone is playing "the really ugly person" in a movie, they're stunning. More often, it just isn't made to be an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 07:18 PM
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That seems like a strange qualifier. Everyone in movies and tv is good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 07:12 PM
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It doesn't make sense. If I look back to my peer group in college, I was far and away the odd man out in terms of low number of partners. I'd had 3 by the end of college. Most of my friends had 10+, these guys were "dating" a new girl every couple months or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 05:13 PM
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Those numbers are just SO LOW. It's really hard to believe them. I know it's not good when I've got an intuitive-type objection to an objective study, but I don't see how college women could have so few partners. That's like, as many as I had back then and it seemed like sex partners were incredibly few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 04:45 PM
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You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. Honestly I would not have believed it if someone told me 10 years ago that it would be this good. It is so good now that it was completely outside my reality that it could even be like this--so I don't blame you for not believing me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 06:07 AM
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Eh, I've dated bitchy girls, you just toss them a good hate fuck now and then , and accept that it's not gonna last very long Really it wasn't awful, I'd choose it over a dead bedroom with an amazing woman that I truly loved
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 04:46 AM
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LOL right? I'm literally reading this thinking, "so this translates into action how? Like, not in any bad way at all?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 04:39 AM
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Conversation is so weird without interrupting, WASPs really come off as cold blooded / robotic some times
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 04:34 AM
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I'm surprised you say that, it seems like almost every fitness model has fake boobs
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 01:52 AM
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Not the person you responded to, but it seems like he's saying that women in that scene more typically adopt that look; since they generally have small boobs due to very low body fat, they get implants
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 12:46 AM
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What would change your view? a forum of men who all report that things got way better in their late 20s and early 30s women who report being more attracted to men in their late 20s and early 30s than to men in their teens and early 20s RP offers both of those
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 11:34 PM
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Yeah, I decided it would be worse at 28 than 27, and still yet worse at 29, so I went for it. today all that stuff is long forgotten, nobody pays much attention to anyone but themselves in the first place, let alone "creepiness" from five years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 11:17 PM
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Yup, he will be seen as creepy as fuck for like a year or so. During that time, he'll learn how to express the same thing in an acceptable way. By enduring the pain, he'll be much better off. There is no way to go from nice guy to guy who can express himself sexually that quickly without accepting massive embarassment and humiliation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 08:43 PM
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Its hard to find quality advice out there. When I was struggling in this area, I asked and asked and asked people what I needed to do. It took me months of diligent searching to find good answers. Most of the initial answers I got were along the lines of "just be nice." Lots of guys had weird strategies that worked for them once and they sort of made it into their thing. Example--one friend had this "game" that revolved around gifts and fancy dinners. Finally one friend was ready to help me lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 08:35 PM
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Fair enough, this isn't personal for me, I just hope people don't end up getting killed by reducing standards so that the average woman can meet them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 06:44 PM
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I'm not sure this model scales tho. I know a girl who did a clerical admin type job in the military and thinks she was some kind of elite special forces. If society gets all "girl power" and pushes people like that into combat, it would be a disaster
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 06:32 PM
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Your last point is spot on -- my friends all see me with younger women fairly often. I bring my girls around my friends, my hang outs. I almost never go hang out with their young friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 06:07 PM
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The title does not make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 05:17 PM
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Hey thanks. It's been an interesting journey so far
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 05:00 AM
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oh yeah I mean it's all fun, sometimes I just feel something in the moment and do it, ya know? Lots of it is the same dominance type stuff, and some of it is just silly -- outrageous role plays, dirty shit talking, whatever weird shit we can think up
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 12:32 AM
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I do like tying girls up, but I do all sorts of freaky shit bc it's fun to see how much girls get off on it rather than me really enjoying that specific act Name is just gibberish
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:39 PM
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Well I'm a dude LOL, I'm just not into any kind of "hard" dominance and submission stuff, where I'm on the receiving end. I'm okay with submission as far as being kind and loving, but I'm told that isn't submissive it's just vanilla
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:06 PM
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Rolling > bouncing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:00 PM
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I get it, I guess more in general than with specific acts. It makes sense to me in theory why someone would like it. But too much dominance sounds dark and scary to me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:41 PM
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Right I couldn't do that , I'm not that kind of person
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:28 PM
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I mean it in the sense that I am not familiar with the feeling of enjoying it, because being tied up makes me very uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:27 PM
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Ahhhh! That one is a good example! In that moment the guy is totally at her mercy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:26 PM
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That's a fair point. I'd also caveat that there's a world of things that can be called "a slap," and only one girl ever wanted me to slap her super hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:01 PM
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yes and yes. I would always do this early on bc it's just part of the way I have sex now. It's not like I'm tryng to run some kind of game, it's just how I have sex most naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:46 PM
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This is my experience--a lot of women like to feel like they're winning for a second, and then to lose
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:35 PM
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My working theory is that if its (1) built up just right and (2) super exciting, first or second night of meeting someone sex, people will get into shit that they might not have with lots of time for thought and consideration
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:31 PM
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One thing too is that a lot of people are open to things they otherwise might not be if you build it up just right, and it comes with all the sexual release of first/second night sex
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:28 PM
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Well I think of what it is like to be in a position where I am actually at her mercy, and to me , it sort of seems like most women are in that position all the time. So ...maybe? I agree there are definitely both sides to it, I'm arguing in absolutes here, but I don't think reality is so clear cut
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:26 PM
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I'd hardly call it niche, I'm guessing at least 3/4 of my partners were super into it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:18 PM
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I guess more at society for being misled, but honestly I didn't have that much anger, I'm very utilitarian, I just wanted to find out what works I'm still kinda confused about the mean stuff that women like, and if I think about it too hard I don't like it, my solution is don't think about it too hard
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:17 PM
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I'd say >75% of women I've been with enjoy it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:15 PM
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I think you and I define "being in charge" in a fundamentally different way; I enjoy those things you listed too, but it doesn't mean she's in charge. It's like if in play fighting a little kid and I let him win, sure it's fun for all, but he isn't actually in charge of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:14 PM
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In my experience women enjoy being dominated and held down in a way where I'm actually in control. Basically they just have to trust me that I'm not going to do anything crazy, but if I did, there would be very little they could do. I absolutely do not like being in that position and I don't understand the mindset of people who do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:56 PM
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Slapping? Scratching? Hair pulling? Those all seem painful to me, and choking or restraint , while not painful, makes me feel very uncomfortable , it's definitely unpleasant to me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:38 PM
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For me, I had a long time where I wished and wished that women would be the ones to take action, I indulged a lot of fantasy about getting approached by girls I liked, I don't know if I ever got super deep into the misogyny - that's not really my jam. I always kinda knew that people judged based on looks, but I didn't understand what looks they judged on, and how girls like "edgy" and "dangerous" behavior I did act like a huge asshole sometimes when I was trying to get a better understanding of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:32 PM
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Can't CYV, the vast majority of my partners have enjoyed rough sex and "pain" in a way that I do not
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:25 PM
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Her on top doesn't really mean I'm being dominated, I mean I'm only one thrust away from flipping her over and pinning her down, it's kind of trivial to switch it up like that. I'm ok with that but I'm not okay with her actually dominating me or putting me into holds, tying me up, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:22 PM
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love to see a good debate smack down I get sucked in to the drama refine my beliefs about sex / gender politics
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 03:44 PM
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I don't know, I'd literally never heard the term before coming to PPD, and someone said anything over 6 months. That made sense to me in relation to my own life, I went a little longer than that once, and around 6 months was when the really weird thought processes started, when my life really felt out of order
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 02:42 PM
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Community property tho Her lawyer is just gonna calculate (my income * years of marriage * .5) and I've gotta account for the rest
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:00 AM
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What is the end game with a relationship? Marriage laws make marriage a losing proposition for men, especially for low value men. She has huge incentives to "not feel it anymore" and walk away with a ton of money. I'm ambivalent about it, right now I'm hedging my bets with a girl who doesn't care if I chase on the side, so at least my SMP-skills aren't getting rusty
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 03:51 AM
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The guys I'm thinking of are like average in looks. None of them are super fit, but not couch potatoes either. Probably about average in facial looks, not hideous or anything. General problem is that they don't know when to make a move
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 10:08 PM
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I've known a few guys in real life who easily go incel for periods of 6-18 mo when they lose their girlfriends. For them, sex outside a relationship is few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:16 PM
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Male, red Barbells/Dumbbells/cables Intermediate. Lifting on and off for years but only keeping a serious routine for the past year or so. Range of 10-15% Lifting helps obviously -- I get more sexual attention bc I'm fit. I notice a clear difference in how much attention I get between lifting religiously 5-6x a week and lifting 2x a week and mixing in other exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:02 PM
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My qualities that I look for in a partner are: smart adventurous loyal / worshipful low maintenance artistic / crafty those are my general guidelines , I've dated girls who fit into that but are wildly different from each other. Similarly, "RP men" is a huge category and can be everything from bros to computer nerds
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:49 PM
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Its all good - I resolved most of my issues bc of friends who were willing to help and a good fitness regimen. I'm doing just fine these days
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:33 PM
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Yeah mine gave me a bunch of workbook pages to fill out, it was more of the same though -- basically just "figuring out how you feel" type things, it didn't really translate into any kind of concrete action
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 06:28 PM
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Yeah it's a very broad question. Country girls often shoot guns and ride ATVs which comes across super masculine to city folk. But I don't think it is at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 06:18 PM
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That is useful in my experience, lots of incels need a huge dose of desensitization to talking to women they're interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 04:58 PM
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Totally my experience -- it seemed like female therapists had some kind of mental block believing that it was actually a problem. And all the endless talking about feelings -- I really don't get how that is supposed to help
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 04:10 PM
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Therapy is a complete waste of time, it doesn't involve taking action. Instead you just talk in circles around your problems rather than actually doing anything about them. Oh and the therapist makes more money from you the longer it takes to solve your problems. I went down this road for months and months, it didn't get me out of the hole. Looking back it was a huge waste of time and I was much better off putting the effort into actual self improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 03:43 PM
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Could be. 21-23 looks similar to 23-25 from a distance
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 06:54 PM
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Right - I generally had the vibe that they came there together, not that he picked there up there. I'm really surprised nobody else has seen this, wow
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 06:21 PM
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I have no idea where they meet them. All I know is that when I was going out all the time, I frequently saw older men out with young party girls in their early 20s. I'm not saying like every other couple was like this, but enough that I noticed it Im kind of surprised nobody else here has seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 05:23 PM
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Right - for a lot of people a "10" is like some mythical creature that only exists in fantasy. For them no woman can ever be a 10
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 05:17 PM
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Don't go to college bars, go to bars where 40 year olds hang out Why would a man go to her home turf like he is some kind of tourist in her world, it usually works the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 05:05 PM
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If you hang around bars a lot, you'll see this ALL THE TIME.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 04:58 PM
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$50 was my guess at what dinner for two at a chain restaurant or a local hole in the wall costs. It's more or less accurate, but I'll agree it could go higher -- I was trying to shoot for what your "average guy" would spend. You really get makeup done professionally for a first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 02:36 AM
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Really fascinating I think things like that are the nature of capitalism tho. If women will buy something despite the higher price, corporations are going to charge the higher price. I'd suspect men are MUCH more likely to forego deodorant, or whatever, if the cost goes up too much
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 01:35 AM
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I agree -- way more common It was the first thing that popped into my head
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 01:27 AM
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While I agree with you that some girls opt for more expensive makeup, I think my general point stands. If we want to go down this road, some guys spend lots and lots of time planning dates, or buy fancier shit while out. Think about guys who get bottle service, like $1000 easy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 01:21 AM
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Yeah so a dinner date costs like $50 Makeup for one night costs like $1
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 12:40 AM
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"Just wait 10 years it'll be really awesome then" isn't very satisfying to the person who has to wait 10 years, they probably aren't even going to believe you if you tell them that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 10:14 PM
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What world are you living in where 21 year old boys have more "charm" than older men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 06:25 PM
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I don't believe that I will ever have a partner that puts into the relationship exactly what I do. It's not the end of the world, I'm okay with it. Her contributions are different than mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 05:37 PM
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What's your race? I'm guessing like Indian maybe? I feel for aspie guys, honestly this was so hard for me without any major impediments, I can't imagine what it's like for y'all
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:23 AM
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that has to be incredibly rare. like a one in a million type thing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 11:29 PM
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Yeah they might tell you to fuck off oh no!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 11:09 PM
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It's totally possible, but given human ego, when a guy who likes leading tries to lead, and the woman won't have it, the easiest way for him to rationalize it is "she's a bitch" Also -- not accepting leadership results in similar behaviors to bitchiness. A submissive follower is almost never bitchy, but Soneone who is rejecting leadership often complains, makes snide remarks, second guesses things, gets argumentative, etc etc. this doesn't have to happen In an ideal situation but in reality I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 05:55 AM
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It's not the same exact thing, but "bitchy" is vague and can mean a lot of things. I'd say that's one way guys use it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 03:40 AM
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Humor is incredibly situational. I've seen girls laugh uncontrollably basically because they're in the presence of a high value man who is saying things
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 07:00 AM
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Frankly I don't consider 5'9" that short. It's a little below average and with good behavioral traits, he'll be fine. Guys will struggle at 5'6"-7". At this point, the behavioral traits generally have to be over the top good to have success Guys will find dating to be a nightmare at 5'4". Social skills will need to be godlike at this point in order to be successful
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 01:25 AM
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In your example, the fit girl is killing it, and short of some crazy status thing like being a celebrity, the guy is struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 01:02 AM
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I've disqualified girls over boobs I didn't like, small but somehow really saggy and stretched out. I would imagine lots of people would disqualify similarly. But now we're having a quality discussion, rather than only size. You said you weren't going for that in your OP
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 12:55 AM
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This one is tough because I think it's different for men and women, and I cant get to women's thought by intuition. That said: I think some of the traits are both -- eg social dominance. In fact, most traits that are attractive would also be good in a relationship. However there are exceptions -- maybe women who are into meanness, frankly I don't understand how that works. The relationship-only traits are like "icing on the cake" so to speak. They aren't attractive, but they're a bonus in otherw…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 12:52 AM
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Your analysis is too focused on physical appearance. Girls will also laugh at an unfunny guy who exhibits attractive behavioral traits (eg social dominance). Some of my socially adept friends actually do this for shits, they'll get a girl giggling her face off over the most unfunny shit, it was a trip the first time I saw it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 12:41 AM
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I don't believe that small chested girls do poorly, particularly if they're fit and have a low body fat. It's part of the aesthetic of a fit girl -- small but perky boobs. Giving them giant boobs will require surgery, which is a different demographic/aesthetic
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 12:35 AM
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I agree wth you that there are a lot of loud, dumb idiots. A guy at 5'8" is going to have a much harder time than a guy at 6' or even 5'10". Instead of actually being zack Efron, suppose it's just a normal Joe who is equally fit. He probably does okay, but make him two inches shorter and he's in a world of hurt. Whereas at 6' it's a pussy parade
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 12:20 AM
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You need to distinguish between "attractive traits," and "good traits for a partner." Calling both of those "attractive" leads to confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 12:03 AM
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"Intimidated by smart women" -- read that as "believe it is likely that a woman who is smarter than him will not let him lead." Many men might express this in a cruder, simpler way such as "smart women are bitchy." etc
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 12:02 AM
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The point is that guys who say stuff like "I'd only date a girl with C's" don't know what they're talking about. They're using a unit of measure that doesn't tell them anything Women know what 6' means. Any misconceptions about what 6' tall means are basically just being bad at judging height, it's not due to a misunderstanding of how measurement works
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:49 PM
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http://sophisticatedpair.com/blog/im-a-what-2/ Pretty good overview. With fat 6' and lean 6' -- I'd counter that we are getting into debates over quality. There's nice boobs and not so nice boobs of the exact same size as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:18 PM
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Cup size isn't even a useful measure because it's dependent on band size. Guys who say that shit do not understand bra sizing Height on the other hand is very straightforward, 6' is 6' is 6'
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:07 PM
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This is what you should do while single, IMO. Weirdest part is how attractive it makes you to new women, the total opposite of what the cultural conditioning says
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 09:42 PM
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Right - who in their right mind is going to walk away from a family that they will have to pay more to support post divorce than pre divorce Women's financial incentives, on the other hand...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 09:27 PM
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A couple things -- I agree with the OP. It reflects my experience. My first serious girlfriend was one of the hottest I've dated, and she's a dream girl by RP standards: she deferred to me, she was pleasant, never bitchy, never demanding, traditionally feminine but also career minded in a typically feminine career, she came from a good family, etc etc. we broke up because at 21, she was ready for marriage and kids and I was not. For my part, I sucked at monogamy and cheated a lot, and I had doub…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 09:13 PM
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In my experience, those comments are generally only directed at basic bitches who have nothing going for them except their quest for validation. Like their life consists of sitting at home doing makeup and taking a million selfies. Gross
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 06:28 PM
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I don't understand how people think they can solve a huge problem like being an incel without doing a TON of work
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 04:40 PM
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I could interact with them fine, I had female friends, I'd had previous relationships. The specific problem was that I didn't know how to interact with women in a way that showed sexual intent. I had it backwards -- I thought that women would be creeped out if I showed sexual intent, and that I needed to be nice in order to generate attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 04:39 PM
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No no - I'm saying at least part of what gets a girl to either (1) put her craziness on full display or (2) have orgasms is attributable to me. That there's something I'm doing right that leads to a good reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 08:15 PM
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While I see where you're going with this, the extreme crazy girls are also just in general more crazy themselves. I don't see them as being dishonest -- they're just crazy women. And I love it when a girl is laying there all blown away after sex. You can argue that some of it is acting (and you're probably right) but I won't believe for a second that it didn't have at least something to do with me delivering in bed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 08:04 PM
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I agree with that. But I come at it from the perspective of, "I'm not here to fix her, I'm just along for the ride."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 07:54 PM
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yeah I agree with this for most women. There is a particular subset that want you to try and hurt them though
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 07:35 PM
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In my experience lots of women DO get off on pain. Not anything serious, but light slapping, choking, hair pulling -- women seem to love that shit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 07:31 PM
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When I dealt with this, I had almost every other aspect of my life locked down -- good job, fit, owned a house, good circle of friends. I just didn't understand the behavioral traits that women are attracted to. It took me a lot of work to learn all that -- going out several times a week and approaching women, trying to get numbers, dates, trying to get them to hang out with me, make out with me, dance with me, go home with me etc. It was a TON of work but looking back it was also a very fun per…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 06:54 PM
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Bullshit, I did have to do a bunch f work to get to where I'm at. For the first year or so I was going out 4-5x a week to do cold approaches. It was a lot of work, I got blown out and made fun of so much. Most people will never put themselves through something like that in order to learn better social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 05:32 PM
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I do it because I had a long dry spell in my mid 20s and it really fucked with my head. I resolved to fix my issues, to better understand how attraction works, and to not be in that position again. For me it wasn't an easy fix like your example; I really overhauled my life and had to undo a lot of my basic assumptions about what women find attractive. I worked on it very very hard for about a year, and it's likely something that will require some level of work for the rest of my life
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 05:26 PM
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The vast majority of women I've banged have wanted a relationship with me, and they often became very attached as soon as we had sex. On the other hand, I've never once been having sex with a woman, and wanted a relationship, and not been able to get it. That's my support for the gatekeeper theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 08:08 PM
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Lots of TRP guys are nice and normal too. UH OH
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 10:08 PM
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The top 20% woman likely does not bang everyone who's interested
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 04:02 PM
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Well I'm gonna make my own decisions. I'll take her input but I'm not gonna compromise anything that's essential to me. I think so long as I've been a good leader she's gonna follow me, she trusts my judgment. But she doesn't have to
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 02:45 PM
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Yeah of course. We discuss lots of things, I care about her opinion, what she wants. But ultimately my decisions are my own. This is all ideal, I'm not saying I'm perfect at it btw
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 11:51 PM
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I'm not sure - my conception of "beta" guys is that they are generally very good followers and hate leadership positions or making decisions. Whereas "alpha" guys are the opposite--bad followers , enjoy leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 11:44 PM
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The only person you really need to dominate is yourself, if you handle that, the rest falls into place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 11:40 PM
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This is a little off the cuff but here goes --- generally she is going to do what I want without me even asking, but if it ever comes down to making big decisions (or mundane ones) she is perfectly happy accepting my decision. what we should split for dinner what bar sounds fun tonight what festival we should we go to what apartment we should pick Sometimes I don't want to make her decisions for her and so that's a thing too. She won't push it too much if I tell her she needs to make up her own …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 11:37 PM
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I think that when I'm on my game, women will defer to me. "Should" doesn't come into it. I'd never LTR or marry a woman who didn't defer to me, but at the same time, I don't expect her to do it mindlessly, if I'm truly fcking up, I know she isn't gonna put up with it for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 11:21 PM
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I'm leftish bc economic self interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 08:55 PM
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I'm into bdsm (I guess?) but I don't really identify with that scene. Everyone in it seems like they're dark and depressing. I still enjoy aggressive sex though, it's fun
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 08:17 PM
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Can't CYV because it's true. That was me after I got into learning game. I'll say this though -- it's a lot of work for an average looking guy. I had to deal with a lot of drama and bullshit to maintain a decent "team" of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:39 PM
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I think for some people it's all super emotionally tied together, like if my ex showed me how to make a gin & tonic , now every time I make one I get all feelsy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 08:36 AM
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You've never dated anyone who has shown you something interesting, or cool, that you adopted for yourself? Here is an example: one of my exes taught me about power dynamics in the way people interact, like she made me keenly aware of it. I've kept that, even after our relationship ended. Here is a different example: one of my exes showed me a few hiking spots that aren't generally known. Now I know them. Another Ex taught me a bit of slang. One about maths. And so on... I'm surprised , particula…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 08:33 AM
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Most people buy their veg at the store. I don't even know where I'd get so many vegetables that I couldn't eat them all. It's like someone who kills elk and deer for meat telling me that I'm wasting my money buying meat at the store
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:22 AM
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This is something a lot of the guys here say over and over -- what redpill looks like in real life is not over the top the way that the subreddit reads. People cross the line a lot when they're just learning this stuff, but eventually most people are able to calibrate
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 09:25 PM
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I find that a daily meditation practice gives me a great deal of control over my thoughts and emotions. Meditation is basically just practicing the skill of controlling your thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 08:25 PM
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hah! This stuff kills the hopeless romantic in us once we see it, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:54 PM
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ugh, if I could convince 14-year-old me that was the case, I would have saved a lot of heartache
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:45 PM
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That's not nice!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:40 PM
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I guess I could be, but im trying not to, that's my point. if I get her all caught up in "fun fun fun" on a date, she might do something she later regrets As could the women I'm dating , again , if their strategy runs amok they're just gonna use me to buy them stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:39 PM
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What about calling girls out on their bad behavior? I've noticed better results when I'm more aggressive, even a little mean in calling them out. Looking the other way, or being really nice about it doesn't get the same results
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:36 PM
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When you are in a position of power, you've gotta act magnanimously. I aim for that when I've got the upper hand, and I try to keep company that does it when they're on top I don't fault women for playin their strategy, I do my best to avoid moralizing dating games, but one thing that I'll cut out without hesitation is someone who abuses their power
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:32 PM
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haha we all had our try hard days, best we can do is look back and laugh about it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:27 PM
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Right -- I come into a relationship with the idea that she's going to love being in my life, because I really like giving in a relationship. For me though, I have to protect myself from spending a ton of money early on , with girls I barely know. I want to see if she likes me for my personality rather than the shit I can buy. That comes later
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:20 PM
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I'm not dating like this anymore but in my heyday id be going out either dating or to the bar scene 4-5 nights a week, and I simply didn't have the money to double my expenses. I would have had to cut down my nights out, which I wasn't willing to do
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:13 PM
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Yeah some women definitely look at it like that. I come at it from the point of view that I have just as much to offer as she does, and we're both paying to get to know each other, and if she doesn't like that deal she doesn't have to take it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:08 PM
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Yeah it is not a problem. I think there's a couple things working in my favor: This might be a regional thing - I've heard the south is very formal but it's not like that here I try to keep the vibe light, not like a "boyfriend" or "serious date" type vibe on a first date my go to first date is "let's get drinks" or "let's get coffee." Most people are okay with committing $5-15 dollars for a drink or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:00 PM
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I haven't paid for anything for a woman on a first date in years. Why would I? Most women do not expect me to pay. Acting like its some kind of hard biological need is a bit of a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 10:10 PM
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This just seems like living an extremely frugal lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 07:35 PM
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I don't know how to explain it shortly, but I'll try. Essentially what dating and romance is , is a guy making a bunch of cool, fun experiences for a girl to enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 07:27 PM
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why would I ever freeze my own vegetables like what situation am I ever going to encounter where that is useful I'm guessing you live in the country or something
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 07:09 PM
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The ones that rustle my jimmies: getting off easy for crimes or speeding tickets getting a bunch of shit provided to you for existing not having the burden of performance having other people create cool experiences for you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 06:55 PM
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Learn how to turn them on with a mean look then Make your ugliness work for you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 06:03 PM
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No I do agree. I'm greedy, I want all the privileges. I dream about being wealthy sometimes too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 06:01 PM
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Male, I don't know if "held back" accurately describes it. Sometimes I wish I could enjoy female privilege, but it's mental masturbation to go down those lines of thought so I don't indulge it too much
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 05:55 PM
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Right, I can't be actually dominated either, it makes me extremely uncomfortable. I like to let her win for like 5 seconds though, it's super fun
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 04:14 AM
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It's fun to let her think she can win for a second though Buahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 01:37 AM
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It's extremely hard for me to let go like that. I have tried but it makes me extremely physically uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 11:28 PM
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Right - and this doesn't even get into the cultural mish-mash of it all. I guess there are some common elements to the culture, but there's also very different sides to it. And lots of us are mostly assimilated into mainstream American culture
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 09:36 PM
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My undergrad is fairly highly ranked; it's just got a very non frat culture. You're bringing your regional culture into this, it isn't all that way I'm guessing youre NE or southern US
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 08:47 PM
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That's not even true; my university barely had any frat culture, and the major parties were organized by informal groups outside of the frat system again with the regional differences, at my grad school's undergrad side, almost all parties were frat parties
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 08:45 PM
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What's a trip about being of this ancestry is how different people regard you as a different race. as with your boyfriends family - lots of Latin people pass as different races, and different people will view the same Latin person as white, or Latin, or maybe middle eastern, or maybe Jewish
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 07:51 PM
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The issue for "Latin" people is that the grouping covers lots of people. Some of us look like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=Spanish+men&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjf6bGjzJTPAhXLOSYKHeXxDdEQ_AUICCgB&biw=320&bih=492 While some look like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=mexican+men&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS590US590&hl=en-US&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIheO9zJTPAhUB4SYKHb1bCFIQ_AUILCgB
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 07:15 PM
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isnt "ethnicity" basically a racial and cultural group?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 06:31 PM
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I agree, it's similar to gambling, I just feel like I'm getting very little for my money. Except - I'll credit GridreXX for this insight as I'd forgotten, it's a decent "party" type atmosphere if you have a good size group
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 05:23 PM
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Right - this is also part of why it can be fun to go as part of a group, the women help deflect some of the bad element
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 04:17 PM
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Certain cities have a strip club culture, some cities are definitely that way. It isn't like that everywhere. My city has like two strip clubs and they're filthy, bottom of the barrel places
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 04:10 PM
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Those places always make me feel kinda ripped off, like, "I just paid for that?" Really the only time I can have fun at that kind of place is watching someone else blow a bunch of money, and even that is mediocre "fun."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 04:03 PM
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I don't frequent those places, and I don't understand why guys do. My guess would be that they believe that no other women will flirt with them, or that they have excess money that they don't know what to do with. It's probably a different group of guys than the "ethics of flirting" men you've quoted
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 03:37 PM
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"obviously" LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 05:54 AM
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Woman 1 is like a 7-8 Woman 2 is like an 8-9 Woman 3 is like an 8-9 all well above average and (apparently) fit It's kinda hard to tell bc I can't really see their bodies
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 03:57 AM
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They have a great idea what guys in the epiphany phase are like -- evangelical, uncalibrated, trying to learn where social boundaries actually are But in two years those same guys will just be normal well adjusted guys
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 03:07 AM
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That's fair - but I do think having to travel across the country, or even to a different city, is far from the claims we often see here about how easy it is to find that sort of thing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 10:47 PM
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For me, ideal is in a similar range to me, but clearly lower. So N of 10-20 ish seems about right. I'd start drawing hard lines around 50, but even that really depends on how blown away she was the first time we had sex. If she was laying there looking at me like I'm her God that first time, that goes a long way in my assessment of how I stack up in her mind
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 10:37 PM
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How do you tell who the initiator was if they both say it was the other person
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 08:39 PM
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Solid example - I hadn't thought of it that way. This is like the definition of "complaining" though. It really is ideal if you can avoid making this type of conversation, it's a drag on everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 07:43 PM
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I honestly can't understand why you'd talk to someone about a problem if you didn't want their help solving it I mean I understand what the explanation is, but it's just words on a paper to me, I can't really feel why anyone would do that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 07:13 PM
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Yup - this is it. I think a lot of people in general (not RP or BP necessarily) don't understand the role that "game" plays in attraction, you have to create a sexual vibe rather than a polite and friendly one
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 06:21 PM
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Yup, this used to be me. I basically didn't understand attraction at all, I thought it was based around "being nice"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 06:14 PM
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That was me, basically I just had to get all the fairytale fantasy shit out of my head and learn that girls like it when you're a little mean to them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 06:05 PM
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Men's clothes are generally sturdier and will last longer Women's clothes are generally cheaper and more trendy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 05:55 PM
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Suits at work, and in proper company More edgy, more sex appeal otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 05:45 PM
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What are you talking about, specifically? Dread game? Im such an outlier on this - My girlfriend says it turns her on to see me flirting with other girls. I can't really answer for that In general though I'd never use high level dread except as a response to very bad behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 05:26 PM
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See I think those girls can be great for LTR. In my opinion some girls on the cock carousel are wholesome and sweet, but they hopped on because they wanted to see what all the fuss is about. If you catch them before they get too deep into it they can be good for LTR. I have a bunch of reasons why I like these types of girls, basically they have a lot of the upsides of party girls without as many of the drawbacks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 04:18 PM
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Yeah I've never understood why they think you're supposed to just "get over" an insecurity Seems better to find a person who doesn't make you feel insecure
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 03:54 PM
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Yeah but men talk shit about anything that stands out
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 03:45 PM
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Hey - I don't really care. I think it's good for her to have a body count similar to mine (but certainly lower). I want a girl who is a little freaky But I also like bi girls, girls who do drugs, and hippie chicks, etc, so maybe I'm an outlier
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 03:44 PM
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Everybody on this subreddit says that there are prositutes every where but I don't think that's the case, I've looked at backpage and it's disgusting. The girls are all fat, or cracked out. They all look like they'd Stab me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 03:28 PM
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culture
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 10:53 PM
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Ah - yeah I agree, it's probably an outlier thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 09:36 PM
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Why do you think it's so static? I struggled in my teens and 20s, now I'm doing great in my early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 09:24 PM
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When I was in my teens and early 20s, I was always chasing with very sporadic results. Now in my early 30s I am chasing a bit less but I'm getting laid a lot more. It is "I'd never have believed you if you told me it'd be like this" easy now. I don't think it's some kind of magical "script flip," it's because I learned about "game" and what behaviors women find attractive. I was utterly clueless about the behavior specific stuff before age 27 or so, even though I was OK as far as looks go
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 09:14 PM
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How do the ruling class treat white males who adopt ruling class culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:55 PM
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That sounds about right. Still I think it would be easier for you to move up among your peers than it would be for a man to move up among his
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:53 PM
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She is 24, I don't know what a "good metabolism" is, most normal healthy humans are within a pretty narrow metabolic range. She is healthy and doesn't have any history of major illness. I think a lot of guys saying this stuff is easy for women are basically looking at their girlfriends and noticing how easily they can slip into the top elite % of women, while noticing how much harder men have to work to reach that position among men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:24 PM
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She lifts 3x a week for under an hour. It doesn't seem that hard to me, I work much harder and I'm barely/maybe in the top 5% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:16 PM
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I don't see how that relates. 80/20 says that most of those guys got sex in a relationship, or casually few and far between. A few of those guys enjoyed a pussy parade. I don't think "had sex once a year" is a very high bar
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:15 PM
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my girlfriend has lifted routinely for 8 months (a few missed workouts here and there) and ate with decent discipline (cheating a couple days a week, but not going crazy.) She has a stunning body easily in the top 5% of women I don't understand what's so hard
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:57 PM
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I guess I got a little triggered bc I had a low libido ex who was all about "taking time alone to find yourself." I never understood it - for me the sex drive is too high, and when I've got sex on the brain any other thoughts disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:35 PM
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Yup - this is my ideal. Main chick who is essentially my girlfriend, side hoes who I bang and little else. Maybe "date" casually if they're really cool, but they understand we can't get too serious
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 04:48 PM
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Let me guess. Low libido? I'd rather die than spend a few years without sex, with my current sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 04:35 PM
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I agree - in my experience women say that sort of thing as sour grapes. I've been accused of only wanting sex when the truth was I just didn't want a relationship with that particular woman
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 03:49 PM
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Men's self help books and subreddits like TRP and seduction give sympathy to men who suck at dating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 03:33 AM
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If women run around complaining that they can't find a good man for a relationship, people more or less ignore them the same way that they ignore incels. Or they tell them to get their shit together, and improve their game, to better attract a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 02:57 AM
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I care about incels, because I was there myself. I tried to help a guy once after listening to him complain, and he told me that picking up girls was manipulative and creepy. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 02:24 AM
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Yup, sounds a lot like my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 12:07 AM
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I received similar messages growing up, I'm in my early 30s. Catholic But my parents are OLD. Born in the 1940s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 12:02 AM
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Sounds about right to me, however in my experience a decent amount of women even after the first bang start getting that lovey look to them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:29 PM
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Maybe. I pretty much only meet women at bars and on tinder, so I'd think that would work against commitment. On the other hand, I used to set too much of a relationship vibe when I was out. That was years ago though, I think I got a handle on it. I'm older, I have some money. I'm sure that plays into it too There may be other things that go into it but those are the ones I can think of
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:20 PM
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That makes sense. I have an okay amount of money so I'm sure that factors into it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:10 PM
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You don't have a bunch of women trying to lock you down? It's extremely common in my experience. I'm a little older tho (30s)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:07 PM
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I'm surprised to see so many people saying this here -- do girls you bang not try to lock you down after?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:02 PM
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I can count on one hand the number of girls I've banged who didn't want any kind of commitment. I can't count on all my fingers and toes the girls I've banged who wanted commitment immediately after we banged. It's more or less a true generalization, women want commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 08:54 PM
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That's fair and reasonable. And at the end of the day, aren't all our desires a little stupid and nonsensical?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 10:21 PM
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But here's the thing - when we are doing MFF, we are all banging each other. Each one of us is getting it on with the other two. It wouldn't be that way with MMF because I don't wanna bang dudes. I realize there's some disparity there - but I don't think there's really any "fix" for it. I think it's one of those things that I should simply appreciate coming out in my favor and be mindful of how lucky I am in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 09:53 PM
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That's fair. I think my issues with it would be more what I discussed in the second part - I dont think I'd like the vibe/energy of sharing a woman with another dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 08:29 PM
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Yeah I don't really like that either? I mean it's not really what I'm looking at in porn
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 07:19 PM
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It just doesn't seem like a good situation to me. Like how is sharing a girl better than having her to myself? Or what happens if I start taking control and he doesn't like it? Or if he tries to take control? Are we gonna fight? It all just seems so not sexy and so not fun to me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 05:33 PM
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You're right but good luck getting this crowd to agree
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 05:22 PM
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Yeah I don't want to see another dudes dick in a sexual situation because I think other dudes dicks are sexually repulsive. Not because I care what other people think. I guess I don't really "get" MMF threesomes. Since I'm not into banging dudes, it seems like it's way less fun than just regular MF sex. Now instead of just banging a woman, I've got some other dude up in the mix. My ideal sex does not involve me being anywhere near that kind of energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 03:59 PM
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I don't think it's homophobia. Its just not being homosexual. I don't want to bang dudes, not because I hate them or anything, but because I'm not into them sexually I can't believe it's come to this, not being gay is being equated with hating gays
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 03:07 PM
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I wouldn't ask about threesomes in her past, I don't care that much about the details of her past But at the same time I'm only open to an LTR with a woman who is open to threesomes with other women and me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 03:03 PM
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Right but just talking in extremes, you can see why the one side is better. Now when you apply this just don't take it all the way to the extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 08:26 PM
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xNTJ - red pill man
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 08:15 PM
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Consider two beliefs: looks are everything looks don't matter at all If I am an ugly guy, which belief should I adopt if I want to maximize my success?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 08:13 PM
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It isn't beautiful either. It's heavy handed and not really that clever. Its a little clever, I'll give it that much
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 04:43 AM
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Yeah, I'm with you on this one. Is it supposed to be funny? It's heavy handed AF
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 03:55 AM
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I wouldn't consider myself "not single" though just because I'm going out on dates. When I'm single is probably when I go on the vast majority of dates. (I don't ever call it a date, it's just "hanging out" but I digress) Also - the rules for social circle dating and dating randoms are way different. Id proceed more like you describe in my social circles, but I'd never act that way with someone I met in a bar or on tinder Don't really know where I'm going with this but it sounds like we're all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 08:07 PM
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It seems like the two of you are talking about different things - when you say "ask someone out" it seems like you using it in the sense of "ask someone to be in a committed relationship." When the other poster says it, he is using it in the sense of "ask someone out for a date."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 10:48 AM
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Right , what I'm saying is that when a guy who dates one or two women a year breaks up with them, he hurts because he has lost something rare and precious. Meanwhile Chad knows he'll meet someone else very soon, so what This is based on my own experience, when I was struggling with this part of my life I literally cried over a girl for months and we'd only dated briefly. Where I am at right now I have lost far more serious relationships and felt comparatively little sadness or loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 06:23 AM
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Where are these attractive prostitutes everyone is talking about? Maybe there's some sort of regional variation, but I've looked at backpage a couple times out of curiousity and my god, those were some of the most ratchet, disgusting women I've ever seen. Like, I don't even know where I'd meet a woman like that in real life, maybe other than cruising street prositutes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 06:00 AM
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It sorta makes sense though. If you don't know how to get laid, it really hurts when someone rejects you. Meanwhile Chad can get rejected 10 times in a night and he's unfazed
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 05:57 AM
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Yeah, I didn't mean to be snarky - it gets into how we treat the word "misogynist." Which some feminists basically take to mean "not feminist."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 04:54 AM
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"On accident"? In my experience, most outspoken feminists prefer traditionally masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 04:50 AM
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You're moving goalposts, the original post was far more general than two specific TRP articles. Narrow your claim if that's all you've got.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:51 PM
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PATRIARCHIST
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:44 PM
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How does that make sense tho? By learning what women are attracted to, I have better relations with them. If teaching men what women are attracted to is an attempt to drive a wedge between men and women, it sounds like a severely misguided strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:28 PM
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It's all about the vibe that he sets during the interaction. He should not take her on a "boyfriend date" if he intends to have a one night stand. A man should be aware of whether he is leading women to believe that he is trying to date them seriously, and he should create an experience that is aligned with his intentions for the relationship. I'll give an example: when I had my first ONS after learning game, I called her up a second time. I wanted to have a booty call. But I didn't know how to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:02 PM
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I've only dated nerdy women (though I've banged/plated a few Stacy's). What you need to remember is that ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT. Sure, some are more like that, and some are less like that. It was an individual thing and nerdiness had nothing to do with it. The nerdiest woman I ever dated was a total AWALT princess and my personal shining star example of red pill truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 05:24 PM
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I think we mostly agree and our problem here is the imprecision of the words "drunk" and "drunk sex." They cover a range of states and situations, some where a person can consent, some where a person can't
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 05:03 PM
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Right, I should've been more clear, "force fed" is the word I was looking for
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 05:00 PM
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I think it's a good idea to have an idea of what non physical things you're looking for. When I was single mine were: adventurous loyal artistic / crafty intelligent low maintenance I wouldn't elicit this information job interview style. I'd talk to her and pay attention to whether she had those traits. If she showed them, I'd compliment her for them genuinely. This way she felt like I really liked her and wasn't just tryin to smash
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:58 PM
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One of the best things dating coaches taught me was to come up with a list of no physical attributes that I like in a woman , and then find out through conversation if a given women has those qualities. Superb technique imo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:26 AM
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Not a woman but I'll answer anyway: The sweet spot is somewhere in the range of 25-35. If women were only attracted to looks, it would be like 20-25, but the problem is that men of that age act like little boys and it is generally very easy to dominate them socially when you have a few more years of life experience. By the sweet spot of 25-35 (wherever it happens for you) you'll have some optimal combination of virile young looks and social status and dominance /u/purplediesel420
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:13 AM
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Right, the line is slightly different for everyone. When I was in college I would regularly get home safely while blacked out drunk, I never had any issues -- but it still wasn't a reasonably prudent course of action by any means
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:06 AM
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Because "drunk" does not mean "blackout drunk" or "incapacitated" or "falling on the floor drunk." I bang lots of girls drunk, they enjoy it, I enjoy it, we all have a good time. I feel like you're deliberately ignoring the subtleties of language here. "Imbalance in mental states" is so vague that it could be literally anything. If someone gets drunk, that is their fault, unless someone else fed them the alcohol. They are not responsible if someone takes advantage of them, but they are reckless.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:04 AM
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Nobody believes a guy isn't guilty of rape when he fucks an incapacitated woman. Literally everyone already knows that is rape. Why even bring that up
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 02:17 AM
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I have various interests and hobbies but I think the ones that make me most attractive are those where I'm a leader: camping / hiking - I love to lead excursions parties / nights out - I like to organize groups to go out travel - I like to lead tour groups, day trips, etc festivals - I'm usually the one keeping the group together, planning our day, etc I can do all this stuff when I'm not the leader, but I have to really trust the person who is the leader or I'll just fight with them over their …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 11:22 PM
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The only people that conflate the two are stupid spoiled princesses. Most people get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 10:49 PM
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That's implied though - "don't get blackout drunk (because it's super risky)"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 10:27 PM
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Nobody says women shouldn't drink at parties, people say women shouldn't get blackout drunk. The line is already drawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 10:19 PM
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This is fairly common in the United States.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 08:36 PM
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Premarital sex means you will literally be tortured in hell forever
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 08:15 PM
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Don't forget religion. It took me a good 10 years after becoming atheist to shake the deep ingrained feeling that approaching a woman with sexual intent would literally lead to eternal pain and suffering. This is even years after I had my first ONS, all that good stuff. These people should be locked up for child abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 08:02 PM
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It's a lot of work Edit: "redpill is effective" doesn't mean "redpill is easy." It takes a lot of hard work to implement redpill prescriptions. that's why few people actually do it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 11:03 PM
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if sex is off the table, that's cool , so long as it was never on the table. So a friend who stays a friend, that's fine. But once it's on the table, I don't think there's any going back. Of course if we fuck and then later become just friends, that's entirely different
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 10:21 PM
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My guess is that this type of women doesn't frequent places where guys are strutting around in penis shorts But guys who've got it, can certainly take advantage of that sort of venue
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 07:37 AM
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This is my strategy: Say "hey there" If she responds cool It not, oh well. But if I really like her vibe: I'll come up with a second message, a custom opener like I hadn't already opened. This is like 35-50% success and I'm like a 5-6/10 at best. I'll do a write up soon about how my experiences online seem soooooo different from this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 03:48 AM
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Who gives a fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 01:13 AM
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It literally takes like 3 minutes. Like I said, if you want good results you have to put in the effort. Learning to get good with women is a social skill and it is like learning any other skill
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 11:59 PM
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You literally want to know how to remember things abou people you go on dates with? After the date, write down 5-10 things or topics that you vibed over or in jokes or whatever from that night. If you see her again, review your list before the next date. If not, don't
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 07:22 PM
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Red Pill is wrong, there are several archetypes of men who are successful with women. Chad is only one of them. Chad is a good model for beginner RP people to emulate because he is basically the opposite of them, and they can learn a lot from him. In the long run though, us nerdy, logical dudes, have other models that we can look to for inspiration. Guys that are more like us, but still successful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 04:12 AM
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If you want to get good results out of something, you gotta put in the effort. Also there are like a million shortcuts to make this stuff less taxing, go watch RSD videos or something, they've got lots of dating and relationship game in there, it's not just about ONS
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 03:02 AM
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If by changes you, you mean "makes you stop being a sappy little bitch, and start taking charge with women," then yeah, it sure does Also, you don't have to bang every girl who gets a drink with you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 02:39 AM
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A classic. It's been too long , I'll queue it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 02:36 AM
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God , I'd kill for that jawline Are you people being serious
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 02:29 AM
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that clip destroys anyone who says this game is all about looks. That guy looks absolutely fine (he's way better looking than me for example). His problem is that his game is absolutely retarded. It isn't fun, it isn't exciting, it isn't big, it's just supplicating and needy, I'm disgusted just watching him
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 02:27 AM
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If you're willing to date and dump relentlessly, like a few dates a week, you can probably find a good anti feminist woman over the course of a couple years. Everybody wants instant results tho
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 02:13 AM
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oh crazy. Yeah it's different out here, while Latin people certainly do have their own clubs, there's also a lot of Latin men and women who frequent mainstream/white bars and clubs. I think they do fine so long as they're more Spanish, not super Indian in appearance. My most frequent bar that I visit is like 50/50 white/Mexican
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 02:10 AM
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What would you consider a guy who is like that but actually has mediocre/middling levels of success? Is that "beta," "low alpha," or "omega"? Something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:50 PM
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Good points. Any reason you don't include Latin men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:09 PM
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Couldn't you get around the problem by choosing an anti-feminist woman ? Who cares if she's white if she's anti-feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 07:16 PM
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/u/unbelievableteknique explained it pretty well here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4z2vmt/cmv_stem_careers_are_for_betas_and_omegas/d6siyrs Much better than RP's "alpha good, beta bad" dichotomy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 06:57 PM
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my sources say that more women are fat than men For that I cite an unsourced imgur graph So our arguments are equal ^ This is shitty debate Edit: see this: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhanes/databriefs/adultweight.pdf "The BMI values corresponding to overweight, obesity, and healthy weight are shown in table 1, along with the corresponding ranges of weight in pounds for men and women of average height. In the United States, the average adult man has a BMI of 26.6 and the average adult woman ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 04:29 PM
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That chart is useless without an age range, where it was done, and when it was done
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 02:37 PM
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Nope, even guys who are alpha as fuck will still do little minor things that demonstrate comfort/safety. A girl isn't going with a guy that she thinks is some kind of psycho
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 02:00 AM
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What I said was that "be an asshole" is not a redpill prescription. nothing more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 01:56 AM
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Late. Like 27. I had a couple girlfriends and lays before that but no idea how to flirt or approach women or anything
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 04:07 AM
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Hey man, I learned this stuff coming from a place where I was having very little success and it worked for me. Using hard tongued, breaking rapport at the right times drives women crazy. Edit; how often did you go out consistently, and for how long? My first six months was literally 4-5 nights a week doing several approaches every night
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:40 AM
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Yup in my view it is a useful framework for viewing the world, but it is only one such framework among many
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:37 AM
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A "bullshit box we put people into" is useful though. It's a mental model - one way of looking at the world, among many useful ways of looking at the world. When you can hold a few mental models like this at a time, the world is your oyster
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:13 AM
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So there are no characteristics of people? It's all just magical?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:10 AM
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Right. I was intj when I was younger but basically forced myself to be an extrovert, this stuff has become second nature. Whenever I hear an introvert saying they can't learn extroversion I think "bullshit."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 10:21 PM
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You're on to something here. Ive had great success by learning a few simple phrases: "Let's do this..." "We should..." "What's your number?" (Direct inflection, no up talk) It is much more direct and people generally respond by accepting my leadership as long as I'm proposing something fairly sane
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 10:05 PM
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I don't follow the details of the movement but that was my impression of them. Who are we talking about? R/mensrights ?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 07:08 PM
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I think the problem compounds itself because once guys get a good hold on this stuff, they don't hang around the RP subreddit too much anymore. All the reasonable guys have moved on, but all the over the top guys are still there, posting up a storm
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 07:05 PM
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Parts of it tells you how being an asshole can get you laid. But by and large it's meant to be a toolbox, you can use what works for your situation. You don't have to use the asshole stuff if you don't want to. I don't ever apply dark triad stuff for example. I'm not Machiavellian in the slightest. I also don't do much dread game, really only doing passive dread (i.e. Keep fit and be aware of when people are attracted to me)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:54 PM
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MRAs? The people who basically just want equality in divorce and child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:34 PM
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in some situations you'll have more success if you provide comfort, rather than demonstrate power/value
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 04:39 PM
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Your argument works better if you focus on men who go for game playing women. That would be an apples to apples comparison. Right now you are comparing apples (behavior) to oranges (looks).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 04:36 PM
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You realize that "be an asshole" is not some kind of redpill prescription right? It's something that they've noticed "in situation X, being an asshole can probably get you laid."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 04:16 PM
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That sounds a lot like me. It's good to hear people taking responsibility for themselves and doing better with this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 03:58 PM
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Yeah I realize all that. I still stand by what I said, it's not in common use here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 04:20 PM
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Interesting. The one thing I'm getting from this thread is that this is highly personal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 12:10 AM
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Seven months from breakup to the next girl who would do anything with me- basically we just made out a little bit. I felt fine after that, got back into a good headspace. I don't remember when I actually had sex, maybe like another month after that? This was a little more than three years ago, i kept working on myself and I'm doing great now. Nobody knows this about me save for a couple close friends, and they don't know all these personal details. I usually keep a pretty good front going
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 11:12 PM
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United States of America
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 10:22 PM
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How long do you think you would feel comfortable going without? How long have you gone?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 09:57 PM
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I'm not here to compare, 7 months was hard for me. The weird stuff, the part where I felt really isolated set in at about 3 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 09:55 PM
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I've known short guys who kill it. Basically we can do this for any excuse you want to make. I will admit that it's harder for them, but so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 09:54 PM
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It's not just 7 months without penetration, I'm talking about seven months without even like flirty touch or hugs. Back then I had no idea how to flirt. I had no idea how you do any of this. All my previous relationships had come from friends who turned into something more, or girls I'd just "somehow happened to meet" while partying. You're right it was not my entire system of validation, I had a good circle of friends at the time, but it was clear that I was burdening them. I needed more than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 09:52 PM
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I don't think you understand "fake it till you make it." The point is that you realize you're gonna look dumb and cringeworthy until you've moved along the learning curve a little ways. You accept that, because how else are you gonna learn? It's a useful delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 07:54 PM
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I have an ex who'd been an escort a ways before we dated. She always said "escort," I never once heard her say "sex worker." Nobody uses that expression. I would believe we have a genuine regional difference in language here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 06:31 PM
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Mine was somewhere around 7 months. I feel scarred. I carry around a lot of worry that somehow my life will go back to that. I know it's not rational , I understand "game" and attraction much better now, it's just, it was so bad. It really hurt being that isolated
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 06:22 PM
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I believe I am one. I just don't see myself as too different from the self serving guy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 04:09 PM
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Language is fluid, nobody is right or wrong. All that matters is what people actually accept. And you're the only person I've ever seen adopt this usage
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 02:14 AM
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This thread is the first place I've ever heard someone say "prostitute" is a slur. "Whore" is generally the word I'd think of as a slur, and "sex worker" is a new politically correct term not yet in common usage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 11:52 PM
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People answering no: Have you ever hung out in a meat market?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 11:26 PM
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Same here. Never approached by a woman showing direct sexual intent (the way I approach) but I've been approached plenty of times indirectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 11:16 PM
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I stand by it. I know what I looked like when someone did freaky sex with me the first time, and I know it when I see it. I'm not talking about surprise, I don't just choke people or slap them out of nowhere, there is a clear build up to it Hey, I'm not one of the "anti slut" people, I like an experienced woman. Some of the coolest girls I've ever met were major sluts. But I do think , if you know what to look for, you can tell if someone has a slutty history by the way they have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 04:48 PM
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I think there's a couple obvious tells. One of them is if you do something like slap her or choke her, and she's totally blown away by it. No girl who has slept with 50 guys is going to be blown away by that. Do you really think it's impossible to tell how experienced someone is by the way they have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 04:27 PM
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lol maybe so. Time to get off PPD for a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:06 PM
2

Read further down the thread, he has the same success in other cities. He's just a charismatic guy Unless you think the bottle rats are running a long con
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 07:36 AM
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"Comes from the heart" What does that even mean it just means you buy your own bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:20 AM
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Why is it surprising tho? If it's just an ONS who cares
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 12:55 AM
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Take cooler pictures I dabble in photography, and my uber-charismatic friend is super fun to shoot. Why? Because even in pictures he has a cool vibe about him. Learn to see what that vibe is, and capture images of yourself looking that cool. I'm like 5-6/10 and I kill it on tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 11:26 PM
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Do you agree that a line can be delivered in a cooler way, or in a very awkward way? Imagine a guy walking up and saying your line just cool as fuck, owning it, just being blunt and raw and sexual. Now imagine a guy kinda stammering, folding into himself, and just generally being incongruent with his words and actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:36 PM
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I'm not moralizing, I'm just using the common word we have for it: "cheating"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:48 PM
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Maybe, but I doubt it. I've been on vacation with him outside of the state where he works and he's the same way. At most it's a spiral - promoter because highly social, highly social because promoter
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:36 PM
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Extremely positive, fun, social. He is a club promoter if that helps fill in a picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:20 PM
3

Yeah exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:04 PM
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I'd agree with you up to "primarily" but there is something more to it. I have a friend who is fat. Coolest guy I ever met. Watching him in social situations is unbelievable. He has no problem getting high quality women. Honestly, I bet he could do okay on tinder, even in pictures he just gives off this totally cool vibe, it's very attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:03 PM
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I'm too much of a cynic. I believe that on some level, those two guys are the same, it's just that one of them can convince others of his pure and noble intentions, while the other cant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:54 PM
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"Solely" is too strong, I'd say there's a strong component based in looks, but there is also a social component. Have you ever met a person with extremely good social skills? Even if they're average looking, they can get away with a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:14 PM
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lol people and their proud image on the Internet
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 03:48 PM
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I'm surprised nobody said "cheat and don't tell her," because that is an extremely common response in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 02:38 PM
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This is my experience as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 02:33 PM
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Yep. I'm the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 02:30 PM
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That's a poor comparison because blacks have black kids, and thus the poverty is inherited Sex/gender does not work that way
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:22 AM
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Right, and men get angry, I'm not defending it, that's my likely reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:16 PM
1

Wow. Crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 07:12 AM
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The kind of person I love is optimistic and believes that hope springs eternal. I'm the cold cynical one in all my relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 07:12 AM
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Pissed at her for changing her mind. I don't understand how anyone could change their mind about something so big like that. How flaky can you be Jesus Christ
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 06:16 AM
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Agree about marriage but not LTR Not really any downsides to LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 04:02 AM
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In the next year? How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:55 AM
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My philosophy is that it's in gods* hands. I hope to find someone else with the same approach. If we are meant to have kids, great, if one of us is infertile, that's too bad but we're still gonna have a great life. Scenario 1 would never happen bc I always ask, Scenario 2 I'd be pissed, Scenario 3 Id be sad, but ultimately okay
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:53 AM
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I'm a man, my partner is a woman. I suspect her n count is about 10-20, my guess is that about half her partners were women. I've specifically told her we will never discuss each other's numbers. i honestly don't think even a higher n-count is a big deal if she's super into you sexually
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:38 AM
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Right. A good father is a moderating influence; he restrains the wilder children, and he toughens up the weaker ones
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:27 AM
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I don't hate them. I'd plate them, but I'd never commit to them. They'd steal resources from my bio children
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:22 AM
1

Do y'all have safe surrender? It's available here but absolutely nobody talks about it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:17 AM
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In my opinion this type of girl makes a good life partner These girls are the best of both worlds. They're sweet and innocent, but they see themselves as wild party girls with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:10 AM
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My view: the extreme version of what RP teaches is only for the beginners, and after you get a basic grasp on it, you're supposed to understand that you can bring a gentler element into it. They teach you to step over the line, so you go out and do it, and after a while you realize how far you can assert yourself without crossing the line. Let's face it - getting from incel to "decent sex life" is a lot of work I really believe most guys there just want genuine relationships, and after a period …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:43 PM
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Yeah but if you don't know what you want, dating all types will help you figure it out Current LTR is my best match ever, 5 years ago I would never have even considered her
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 04:33 PM
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Yeah I'm a bad man
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 02:56 PM
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Reading the actual subreddit is toxic man, there are some depressing people there. Lots and lots of cheating paranoia, lots of ranting about women, moralizing, people advocating mail order brides Yeah it's a dark place. There are some gems in the shit though, you have to remember that lots of people posting there are just starting their journey
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 03:58 AM
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Saw your post, rage posted my thoughts, and by the end of my post I'd reached your same conclusion. HA
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 03:46 AM
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Exactly this. Way better to set that vibe from the start than to establish a certain pattern and try to change it later
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 03:23 AM
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Alpha = good, beta = bad is kinda dumb for people who have a handle on this part of their life, but I think it's a decent starting point for weak dudes who have been getting pushed around their whole life
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 03:13 AM
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I disagree about sluts being bad partners. My ideal is a freaky girl who dabbled in sluttiness, met me early in that venture, and had mind blowing, freaky sex with me our first night together. Enough sluttiness that she has a happy narrative of a wild youth, a few bad lays before me, and how I only supposed to be a hookup but wow here we are
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 02:39 AM
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What do you mean by "stoicism is not attractive." To some degree it is an attractive quality for everyone, man or woman. People who enjoy hearing others complain are an extreme minority, to the point where we might as well pretend they don't exist. Stoicism isnt attractive -- it's more like the opposite is repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 02:29 AM
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I think having a common shorthand keeps us all on the same page in debate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 08:04 PM
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which red pill buzzwords are you referring to? I agree that things like "cock carousel" are pretty extreme. But where is the line?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 07:32 PM
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No we don't live together yet. That is a big tbd in our relationship, ideally not until we are ready to try and have kids. She wants it sooner but up until now I've said "we'll see". We've been together a little under two years. There is always a bit of tension when she knows I'm out, but she is good at handling it, she's one of those major outliers who is super into it when I bang other girls, it's a kink for her
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 07:29 PM
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When I came into this I was incel. I had no idea how to date a woman. I didn't know how to lead conversation. I didn't know how to joke sexually. I had no idea how a woman would respond emotionally to things I said. I had no concept of the differences between playful teasing and obnoxiously ripping on a girls insecurities. How can a guy who doesn't know any of that go out and be successful with women? It's easy for you to make this OP because you've already gone out and learned all this stuff. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 05:18 PM
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Makes sense. I'm in a nonmono relationship but her only rules for me are things like "don't fall in love," and "don't lie to me." She has never vetoed any partners outright.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 05:15 PM
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You can ask a question: "would a reasonably prudent person do X?" I presented a clear case: a reasonably prudent person would not get blackout drunk If someone gets blackout drunk, we can say he is not acting with reasonable caution It doesn't make it his fault if something happens to him, it just makes him a careless fool
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:56 PM
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if you fail to take reasonable precautions, then you are acting unreasonably
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:27 PM
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Makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:25 PM
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I agree with what you're outwardly stating , but I still think it makes sense to be cautious, and I think people who throw caution to the wind are fools
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:23 PM
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sure theoretically you're within your rights to do that, but in reality there's a large chance of getting hurt, robbed, raped, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:19 PM
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In what sense do you mean "the capacity to have multiple concurrent partners." The ability to go out and get multiple sex partners, based on high SMV? Or some kind of moral "I'm okay with multiple sex partners."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:16 PM
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Yeah, what is infidelity when you're not monogamous? If my partner doesn't care if I bang other people, then what counts as "cheating"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:10 PM
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Everyone picking this stupid battle about "telling people to drink responsibly is victim blaming."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:07 PM
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Yeah obviously , but that doesn't un-rape me does it? I'd rather just take reasonable precautions like not getting blackout drunk
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:06 PM
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Why do they need to drink to the point of incapacitation
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:34 PM
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I don't get blackout drunk precisely because someone might hurt me (or I might hurt myself). It's just common sense I can't believe people are choosing this hill to die on. They sound like such spoiled little princesses
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:32 PM
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Guys swipe right on almost everything, they're not lying when they say they find almost everyone to be good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:23 PM
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Ah, so people don't have casual , uncommitted relationships there? Crazy!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:22 PM
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lol if I can find it. I'll have to look later, got errands right now
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:19 AM
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I don't think that's opposite of TRP TRP says that you should maximize your value as best, and select strategies that appeal to the largest number of women. They don't deny that there are different strategies to appeal to women, they suggest that you choose the one with the broadest appeal
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:55 AM
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;) I think it's a real thing. Guys tend to eventually reach a point where they're ready to settle down, even player types
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:52 AM
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Typically, when a guy and a girl date, the girl will get pulled into the guys world a bit. Some girls even make a thing of this and date different types of guys to get a taste of different lifestyles. So when a girl looks at a guys style, hobbies, etc, she's potentially considering what it'll be like to have him show her around his world. His world has to be something she thinks she'll like. A guy typically does not have this concern. He will likely be the one to lead, so goth, cowgirl, bimbo--w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:34 AM
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Throw in "knows how to do her makeup." Have you seen those videos on Facebook? I've watched a 3 go to a 8. Scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:30 AM
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I recall reading a study on PPD that said the opposite: that a hot girl often got like 90% swiped right, but for guys even 40% swiping right was very high. I'll look for it later and see if I can get the link.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:25 AM
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I think it's like your fathers friends - at a certain age a man realizes he's no longer doing so well in the SMV and he feels inclined to settle Hmm this sounds familiar
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:15 AM
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great, words don't have meanings anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:13 AM
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I googled it just now - it's actually 15, but some of those are being phased out to various degrees. https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/fact-or-fiction-five-myths-about-common-law-marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:10 AM
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How is it "actual prostitution" if they are not paying you for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 01:15 AM
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How do you know when you are dating someone exclusively if you don't discuss it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 01:02 AM
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Common law marriage does not exist in most American jurisdictions. It exists in like 4 states
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 12:46 AM
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It speaks volumes that all the top responses are some variation of "but women do approach as much as men" LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 12:30 AM
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Yeah, depending how seriously we take the "otherwise perfect," this deal is pretty hard to pass up
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 12:22 AM
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This is why I ignore women who say "never approach women outside of meat markets." I've met receptive women in all sorts of places, the grocery store, the gas station, walking down the street, etc. all kinds of places where women "don't want to be approached"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 07:37 PM
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I like to refine my views, I generally think TRP has the right of it, but some of their views are just wrong, also a lot of it can be stated in more acceptable language. Some of the bloops here are pretty good at PowerTalk, so I learn what I can from them Also, some of the more logical reds absolutely destroy some of the blues in debate, that's amusing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:33 PM
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That redneck life tho
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:38 PM
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Good argument, and I agree. As I've said elsewhere in this thread I don't personally believe this argument but I do believe the people who advance it have got a decent point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 09:44 PM
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Good god, 18 months? I went like 7-8 months , I don't remember exactly, and it was awful. Like after a couple months I really started feeling isolated from humanity, having serious mental health problems. I didn't learn the term "incel" until later but it absolutely describes what I went through. When I see those guys way of thinking it reflects where I was by about 3-4 months in
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 08:58 PM
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I don't know how I'm supposed to cite these things, these examples are drawn from people I know personally. I've never been poor but I've had poor friends growing up. I grew up in the middle class with working parents. Also this is rural white poverty I don't know if that makes a difference. Literally every person Im thinking of is white I have no idea what these people do to get disability but they seem pretty normal to me, but hey I'm not a doctor Example of exaggeration : 10 people in a 2 bed…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 08:49 PM
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Yup things are great now
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 08:37 PM
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That example was chosen bc it's easier for people here to understand. In general it seems like you're exaggerating a lot or overestimating the cost of everything I know people on disability who are more or less fully functional adults I don't know what the purpose of all these comparison scams is, I agree that those work too
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 08:36 PM
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You have a very different idea of next to nothing than I do If you can get $700 a month and somehow get your housing expenses taken care of (live with mom, etc) the world is your oyster
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 07:59 PM
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I was incel for a while. It was definitely involuntary, I was going out and busting ass trying to get laid but I really misunderstood how attraction works. how am I supposed to change your view? "Yeah I really was trying as best I knew how."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 07:05 PM
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Those are not the type of women I'd want for a long term partner. I want someone decisive enough to know she wanted to bang right away and wild enough to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 06:54 PM
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I think there's something to their argument, I just don't agree with it and ultimately I think it creates a very low quality of life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 05:54 PM
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Agree 100% This is a big part of why I vote left The arguments I'm advancing here aren't really my own, it's my understanding of what I've seen argued by lots of people on the right
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 05:16 PM
1

Well yeah, of course government tailored to me would be great for me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:50 PM
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Backyards usually don't have covers 24 pack of coors is pretty cheap
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:48 PM
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You are focusing too much on the "party," and I think you're imagining a much more glamorous thing than the way poor people "party"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:47 PM
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I guess that's the flip side. Social programs mean more taxes. Less programs mean you keep more of your paycheck, thus creating an incentive for hard work
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:42 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:41 PM
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I agree, I support safety nets. But let's be honest, they discourage hard work
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:40 PM
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I'm saying that there are two extremes - absolutely no social services and all basic needs provided for. As you move from one extreme towards the other, you create an incentive to work less and spend more time doing cool but useless shit
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:32 PM
1

That's what you'd pm me?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:25 PM
2

There are lots of cool hobbies you can cultivate that cost very little money, but take lots of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:23 PM
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There are two extremes - one is a society with absolutely no safety net and you'll be left to die if you don't work. One is a society where you never have to work and all basic needs are provided. Do you really believe that people will work just as hard in each of those societies? If so we should just stop here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:18 PM
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Right I'm saying post your advice so we can evaluate it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:10 PM
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Right but having the safety net makes swag stacking possible. When there are no safety nets people work much harder because they have a real fear of death. IMO that's a shitty society, but some people prefer it apparently I agree it's not either/or, ideally you want to find a balance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:08 PM
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I love those things about Trump but they're not enough to make me vote against my economic self interest
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:05 PM
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Spending all your time developing cool hobbies, going out, cultivating a party lifestyle, basically doing things that make you cool and get you laid but are useless to society at large
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 03:57 PM
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I don't need any resources, I have my shit together. If you have solid advice why don't you post it here rather than in PMs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 03:55 PM
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Completely unactionable advice , to the point of being useless 10 different people could read this and give you 10 different ideas of what course of action it implies You should just use direct language that says what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 03:43 PM
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Well, there is a tie in - social safety nets tend to encourage "swag stacking" and getting laid over becoming a workaholic productive member of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 03:29 PM
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Likely voting Clinton. Bernie was my first choice, I'd like to see our government look more like the social democracies of Europe, at least on social programs. I was unemployed for a few months in my 20s and not having any kind of health care was terrifying, fuck that , basic health care should be an entitlement I figure Clinton is the best of bad choices
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 03:17 PM
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I disagree. The vast majority of women I've banged have tried to get me to commit to them I'm a former incel FFS, there's not some terribly high bar for this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 02:51 PM
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Right. That's why you should only commit to an LTR with a girl who'd have been down for a one night stand
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 02:50 PM
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Eh - if you have crappy social skills it is pretty much assured that improving them will improve your social circle and dating life. I don't see how that's entitlement , it's just an assessment of what will likely happen I get it about the "owes you" part tho
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 02:55 AM
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Well it's the same idea as improving your social skills to date better quality women. I don't see why it's entitlement to think that you can work on yourself and possibly get a better partner as a result
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 11:26 PM
2

Do you believe that someone can improve their social skills, and as a result make cooler friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 10:36 PM
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That's such a weird state of mind to approach from. Like "well she's the best I can do now, but she's a stepping stone" My first ONS were like 4s-5s but at the time any women accepting my advances was exciting. I was legit attracted to them, and a big part of my journey was ignoring the fact that other dudes were gonna shame me bc my girls weren't hot enough. Frankly if you pick up a girl explicitly thinking you're just using her for experience, you're kind of an asshole. You can probably pull h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 10:30 PM
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I should've guessed you'd be intj That crystal clear writing style tho lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 10:09 PM
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Great post. Solid overview of the types vis a vis RP I think RP is made for someone like me - NTJ type without strong preference for E/I. Basically I just had to get a little push into being more outgoing and BAM, results that feel like I'm living a sex fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 09:24 PM
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ENTJ/intj I think it does - I'm very logical/analytical and it was fascinating to see social dynamics broken down in a logical way. Much easier to understand than vague and subtle hints
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 08:03 PM
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Wow this thread is blowing my mind right now I always thought when people talked about visualizing things, it was metaphorical. What.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 06:06 PM
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The last paragraph is too harsh. You see RP guys as being incredibly broken, but most guys who get into this learn a bit of theory, apply it, internalize it, and then get on with their lives. They aren't sitting on the internet arguing about hypergamy and divorce rape and a mans sexual peak like us weirdos. They move on, tempering what they've learned here by applying it in the real world with a great deal more nuance
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 01:23 AM
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I agree, it fucked a lot of people up, boys and girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 05:25 PM
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Yeah I edited it- what I meant was something more like "read Christianity in a way that's consistent with redpill beliefs." Which , given the million variations people have put on Christianity , I'm sure someone could Thoughts are a little fuzzy today
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 05:18 PM
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Its hard for me to say what the official line was, but the same people who pushed all the Christianity stuff on me were also the same people pushing extremely blue pill messaging (nice guy-ism, women are wonderful, be yourself, I never got "looks don't matter" for some reason), and steering me away from anything resembling redpill beliefs. I think sexual shame ties in very strongly with nice guy-ism and women are wonderful. I'm just using those terms for shorthand here, nobody talked about it li…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 05:08 PM
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I like the same porn but I only watch it about once a week, if that, since my sex life has gotten better. I'm also less fiendishly horny than I was in my early 20s, but I think that's due to getting older. All in all there's less thirst tho, so I think both factor into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 04:08 PM
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Yeah, my complaint with mainstream cultural messaging isn't Disney, it's the Christianity I was raised with telling me that I'd literally burn in hell forever if I didn't do dating "properly," save sex until marriage, etc. I don't have a big grudge against it or anything but realistically it took me years to break free of that conditioning, and all the poisonous guilt I felt every time I tried to be sexually forward It is what it is, but I think in these type discussions we can acknowledge it wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 04:00 PM
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Mainstream dietary science
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 02:30 PM
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I used to believe these kind of explanations for obesity until I honestly tracked calories for 12 weeks. Now I just see it as bullshit excuses
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 12:25 PM
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Tell that to r/polyamory
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 01:47 AM
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Yes , being able to keep a sense of childlike wonder alive in middle age and in old age is difficult, few people manage to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 01:47 AM
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No what they are saying is: Rule = bad No rule but she doesn't do it = Great
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 01:37 AM
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interesting point re OPP relationships, I'd always seen the extreme hate for that and wondered what was going on. One thing I noticed that always seemed weird to me was that if the woman chooses not to bang other dudes, but there's no relationship rule ("policy") preventing her from doing so, many poly people don't consider that OPP. I never understood that distinction before but it makes sense in line with what you're saying - woman's choice to have just the one guy, great; relationship rule me…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 03:47 AM
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Eh, my girlfriend is bi - she likes men and women for different reasons. She likes women for their beauty and men for their dominance
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 03:19 AM
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Just because someone has a skill doesn't mean they can teach it. Bi women typically know more about game than straight women. But you're missing the point - most people have no idea how to analytically break down game and spell it out in a clear logical formula. Example: a close female friend and I like to go out and pick up chicks together. However, it's very difficult to discuss this stuff with her. In her mind, she just says what comes to her. She doesn't have a "strategy" the same way I do. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 03:16 AM
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Yep. There are a couple girls in my social circles like that. I don't hate them or anything. Just don't see them sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 08:06 PM
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If I'm outside her age range on OKC, I won't appear on her matches. However, she'll still appear on mine so long as she's in my range. Her profile will show me what preferred age range she indicated. In my experience most girls with ranges like 21-29 will talk to me (31).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 08:00 PM
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There are women at 40 who still see the world in a magical way. But the vast majority don't. This isn't personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 07:49 PM
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That's true, it is hard to tell what average looks like--lots of guys talk a BIG game when they have no results. But giving them benefit of the doubt, I was way behind the curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 07:36 PM
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Much better list than OP, IMO Good call on making the dolled up obese girl a 3. Too many people fall for that trap, it's good to see some sanity
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 07:32 PM
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Solid post, add one to the "I agree" tally
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 07:13 PM
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This is why people look at feminism and see a female superiority movement, not an equality movement. These bishes will float all kinds of crazy ideas and at the end of the day a man's best option is just to ignore them and get on with his life
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 06:09 PM
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Hey, over 130 is fine. If she's over 5'6" and fit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 05:59 PM
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People that overeat into a state of disease are opting out
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 05:58 PM
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You're confusing "common" and "normal." "Normal" implies a standard. A norm. We can argue about whether obesity is becoming culturally normalized , but shitlords like me are never gonna say that is the standard. The standard is baseline fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 05:55 PM
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It looks like it's just a scale of how fat they are. not really of different body types, i.e. Big hips, big tits, thigh gap, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 05:51 PM
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Well, if you're an old dude sorry because those young women want guys their age. lol okay
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 01:35 AM
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Nope. SMV, especially for men, is not just based on physical features. If a guy can't lead, he's not getting laid. If a guy has no presence, he's not getting laid. Men need to have certain character traits in order to have high SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 01:20 AM
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Not necessarily. I know a lot of guys my age who killed it in high school and college, but then got fat and lazy. These guys don't attract the same quality women as they used to, nor are they banging 20 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 01:17 AM
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Because for women it's kinda straightforward and they know when they peak and decline For guys coming into the power that is "women are all over me now," we wonder how long it will last
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 11:38 PM
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Okcupid is also full of nerds. I wonder if the results would be different on tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 11:10 PM
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Yeah but here's the thing - I'm dating objectively hot girls in their early 20s now. Like I'd have been super proud to have dated these girls when I was 25 and so would my friends who were naturally good at this. these girls are quality girls. It is still getting better as the months go by--I attract hotter girls than I did 6 months ago. So it's hard for me to say "the peak has passed," especially when so many other guys say "the peak isn't till 35 or so."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 10:59 PM
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Eh - sexually those girls are awesome but their personalities kinda suck and they can't go out to bars (usually) I'd rather meet the same girl when she's 21-23 By 28 very few women have their youthful enthusiasm left
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 10:53 PM
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RP guys are likely outliers due to shitty sexual past EDIT: Took me a bit of self reflection to realize my 20s were anything but typical. If you were really really bad with women in your 20s, then of course you're gonna feel like you're doing great when you start to have some success.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 09:10 PM
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For that matter, why do women even want me to marry them? We can just buy her a ring, and she'll get all the cheap social validation she desires
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 08:16 PM
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I disagree, you can also do those things for women you're not trying to have sex with. I help female acquaintances, coworkers, friends of friends, etc., with small tasks if it's not a big hassle to do so. Cause why not? I'd help guys too it's not a ploy to get pussy Although I play more games than that if I'm trying to bang
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 06:21 PM
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Care to explain why? Seeing as it's a debate sub. It sounds like a good response to me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 05:21 PM
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I don't know many single women. Most women I know are my friends wives and girlfriends. Or girls I'm trying to bang
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 04:09 PM
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It's good for both, I met my long term partner on tinder. In my opinion there are much more wholesome girls on tinder (girls of all kinds, really) than in my local bar scene. The bar scene attracts a particular type , tinder is a wide net
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 03:02 PM
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I've said it before I'll say it again Some of us do way better online. I meet hotter girls, I get more solid numbers, the girls are way less flaky, they're less dramatic, they're more wholesome. We're a minority but there's a couple other people on this sub who are in the same boat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 03:37 AM
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I don't see how anyone can believe most men get sex whenever they want it. It's so disconnected from the world I see. I'm not talking about on TRP - most guys I know IRL, with a couple notable exceptions, get lays few and far between
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 09:45 PM
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Yep - that swooning, worshipful type love that omega guys try to give to hot women? Well it turns out those guys are just trying to love women the way they themselves would like to be loved. Women don't like that kind of love so much. Men do. But women only give it to certain men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 06:23 PM
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hahaha no it isn't all my friends - I'm thinking of myself and two particular people. I have an arrangement that I've discussed with my partner, I'm assuming these two friends do as well but I don't know that. I don't think it's really cheating when everything is aboveboard. Most people I know are monogamous. So rest easy :P
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 05:51 PM
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Again, let's bring this back to normal guys. I will spend maybe, at the absolute most, $25 a week on a side chick. Maybe I'll buy her a drink or two? Or we go on little trips and I'll pay the gas money. There's not exactly a ton of swag to be gotten off a middle class guy in his early 30s. The experiences of my friends are similar, generally the only "swag" these girls are getting is the experience of enjoying the shit we bring them along to do. Maybe they like the drama of dating a committed gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 05:14 PM
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PPD folks tend to be more of the thinking types than the population at large. Out in the real world, feels rule the day
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 04:40 PM
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I was looking at it more from the position of the side chick. It seems crazy to me that a girl would be essentially a status-less hookup to an otherwise committed man, but once you play this game a bit you realize you don't have to be some superstar to have that. Regular dudes have it all the time. I can't see why women accept that, but it really doesn't matter why---they accept it. I can understand the position of the wife a little better, she doesn't really lose anything and she has no risk of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 04:28 PM
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You're supposed to challenge OP's view, not confirm it LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 04:00 PM
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Agree. A woman often becomes a completely different person around a guy she's into.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:34 PM
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I agree. But they act differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:33 PM
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I think your premise is wrong - in reality, women are incredibly open to it. Compared to what the cultural narrative tells us about it being impossible, it's incredibly easy to have a side chick who is okay with that arrangement, and if you put some effort into it, it isn't terribly difficult to have either a rotation of women (soft harem) or even a formal Mff relationship. With what I learned growing up, this wasn't possible, women were pure little angels who wanted perfect monogamy and would n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:18 PM
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I don't think they really believe that for every expression of male sexuality. They're pretty solidly concerned with the masculine imperative and associated strategies - essentially the polar opposite of cuckoldry
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 01:18 AM
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women know better than to act in ways that bring embarassment or shame to their partners. Going out with a bunch of dudes, getting drunk, and letting the dudes grope them will absolutely bring shame and embarrassment to most closed relationship hetero men. Anyone who acts oblivious to this isn't being honest with us. I agree with you, a night out now and then is good. Getting complacent is bad. But that's not the fact pattern we were given- we were shown clear bad behavior in this example. If it…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 01:14 AM
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I don't think the TRP position is that anything any man does ever is awesome and worthy of respect
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 01:08 AM
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They often use it to insult a man who is letting people walk all over him. It's a fair analogy when used that way
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 12:39 AM
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License does not suggest a double standard. A license is a right or permission to do something. I don't see how you get to double standard from that. And anyway, men and women are different. Of course they have different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 10:23 PM
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lol what? OP literally described how he saw her cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 09:45 PM
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I have trouble believing that the other poster does not understand how that is disrespectful to an intimate partner. She just wants license to behave badly
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 09:41 PM
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Agree 100% - compatible personality is MUCH more important than superficial crap like shared interests People flock to stuff like common interests because it's way easier to see if it's a match than something like compatible personality. How do you even define that? It's tough
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 07:14 PM
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Yes, they theoretically could but most men won't make the effort I'm average in looks , maybe a 6 on a good day. But I lift, cultivate good hobbies, count macros, do yoga, practice social skills regularly, etc. That stuff goes a long way. And it's a work in progress. Just in the last few months I feel like I'm finally consistently pulling girls more like 7-8 rather than 5-6. When I started it was nothing. After a while I pulled my first 4. The girls got better as I did, admittedly there were som…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:22 PM
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You should look at it from those guys perspective: Everyone is offering them different advice and 9 times out of 10 it's useless. Further, they can't distinguish good advice from bad advice. So they hear your good advice but by that point they're burnt out
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:15 PM
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not quite They say that some men irrationally believe that , by going MTF, they'll obtain the privilege held by a super hot young woman
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 11:04 PM
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well in your late 20s and early 30s, its easy mode Make hay while the sun shines, as they say
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 10:36 PM
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I learned the core redpill beliefs from friends in my mid 20s. I found the website later by hearing feminists talking shit. By that point it just seemed like a blunt delivery of common sense
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 10:06 PM
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How do you explain that TRP members generally have more success post-TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 01:33 AM
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That's interesting and I hadn't thought of it like that. Good post
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 01:28 AM
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Hey I agree about mentors, I learned all this stuff from friends. I didn't know TRP existed until a while later. But it was the same material, maybe told with a bit more nuance. I'll say this- it's very hard to find someone like that. There are plenty of people ready to teach, but lots of them have theories much crazier than TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 12:40 AM
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Yeah, I think those examples are in line with what I was getting at there. The point here is that he's really focused on her comfort at the expense of everything else, even his own personality goes out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 12:23 AM
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This might sound insensitive but my strategy with Cluster B women is "stay the hell away." My one brush with that was enough for a lifetime. I think that the "step over the line" method works pretty well because if you don't actually step over the line, you have no idea where it is. The quickest way to figure it out, is to cross it. If you tell a feminized beta cuck to go out and assert himself, he's going to be madly swaying between underdoing it and overdoing it. And worse, he'll think he's do…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:57 PM
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The last one is how I think a lot of guys come to TRP. Maybe even most of them It isn't how all non TRP guys are. It's how these specific guys ended up at TRP though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:41 PM
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Overly beta first date off the top of my head, he'd: care more about her comfort than asserting himself or expressing himself be afraid to make a move because she might not like it be afraid to talk openly and honestly bc it's uncomfortable be afraid to share his humor focus too much on commonalities, be afraid to have any differences
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:39 PM
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I agree that the way some of these guys chase being "alpha" is misled. I agree that lots of TRP stuff is over the top. I guess where I disagree is that I really believe most guys coming into this are in a position of being something like a "feminized beta cuck." So they learn TRP stuff, step way over the line for a while, and eventually come back to a more reasonable middle ground. I think it makes them more broadly attractive to women, and not just AWALT types - at least once they stop stepping…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:34 PM
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Those are all factors that go into it as well, and you're right , they should be considered. Good post
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:17 PM
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How do you get to "TRP men only chase party girls"? Like you said - those girls are all about the same attractiveness, and the second one is much more like the type of woman I typically date than the third. My point is - TRP makes guys more broadly attractive to all of those women. Nobody wants a guy who only knows how to provide comfort and is clueless about tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:14 PM
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If we accept that most guys reading TRP are way overdoing it in "beta" (comfort) behaviors - doesn't it make sense for them to learn a bit of "alpha" aggression and dominance? That will make them more attractive to women in general, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:07 PM
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You're only looking at an initial step though. Guys who are still "acting" in some kind of try hard way-- those are guys who are just learning this stuff. That isn't the goal of TRP. The goal is to learn the principles, apply them, then get on with your life with the stuff you've learned in the background. It's there, but it's way more subtle than how TRP theory is written
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:03 PM
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Yeah I see what you mean, I might even say something like, "you like that?" if I can't really read her so well. The point is I don't think many people would call what I'm doing "discussing it beforehand" and I don't think it's really necessary to have some elaborate talk about it. but yeah agreed it's good to be careful. That's what I practice myself - I don't speak for the "anger phase" type guys
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 10:49 PM
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I'd see how she responds to me brushing her neck with my hand , and escalate from there. There's a lot of room between gentle touch and throttling her
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 10:33 PM
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Well my view is that other dudes aren't my responsibility. I agree that lots of these dudes don't have a clue but OP makes it sound like that's my fault for talking about my experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:15 PM
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Yeah I was exaggerating a bit there :) But women treat you much worse for imposing on their time for sexual reasons (not just propositioning, but even if you want to date them, get to know them, maybe have a relationship, etc) than they do if you impose on them for commercial/political reasons. My guess is that sexual stuff makes women a little uncomfortable so they tend to react a bit harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:06 PM
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This attitude is much closer to most women I meet- not the "discuss everything" crowd that apparently is most common here on PPD. I don't understand what is so hard about reading a woman's reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:02 PM
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I don't understand - you don't think people can pull off basic nonverbal communication?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 08:47 PM
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I do something like this: Brush neck, see how she responds Later, gently touch neck, see how she responds Later, the lightest of grabs around her neck, see how she responds Later, maybe I'll squeeze just a bit more, and see how she responds And so on Why do I need to ask? She tells me everything I need to know by nonverbal communication
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 08:44 PM
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Where do you people find all these women who don't like choke play? In my estimate about 95-100% of my partners enjoy at least light choke play. It is such a basic part of having sex that asking for separate consent is like asking to touch her nipple- you don't need to ask, you can just feel the vibe of the situation and act on it I wouldn't recommend this for socially inept people but they aren't my responsibility. I'm only responsible for me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 08:39 PM
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I think the point is that women don't treat cold approach just like a petitioner; women are much harsher toward an approach. I've never once seen a blog post complaining about petitioners. I've never once seen someone suggest petitioners are gross, probably rapists, people who would be shamed, etc It's men that treat an approach similar to petitioning, and they get all kinds of hate for it particularly from feminist types
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:56 PM
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I don't have a logical answer for that Everyone was doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 02:29 AM
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What I'm saying is that the stereotypical player gets treated very differently than some mediocre guy who tries to step up his game The guy at the bottom will be made fun of because it's an obvious weakness. That's what men do, they point out each other's weaknesses
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 02:28 AM
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Growing up, I got ripped on so much for EVERYTHING - including sex stuff like who I liked, who I didn't like, who liked me, who didn't like me. And I did the same to others At my age (early 30s) idgaf anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:49 PM
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Everyone loves apex males Film at 11 Do you really think that's every guys life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:42 PM
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Maybe some people can do it, and some people can't, but the reasons are unrelated to how attractive they are. I don't think traditional gender roles people really want to have opposite sex friends
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:25 PM
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I get a little irritable if I don't get new pussy at least every couple months or so, I try to be proactive in this regard because my game is way better when I'm not thirsty AF girlfriend doesn't care, so long as I find girls interested in her too I'm more concerned about what she'll be like at year 4. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 03:59 PM
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That's what it feels like: true love. Like I'm so awesome that she'd do anything for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:02 PM
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Girlfriend is into seeing me with other girls It makes me feel like a fucking god Part of me thinks it's extreme "girl game" (be worshipful) Edited to make the CMV clear: if her fetish pleases me, doesn't that work really well for both of us? It's a strong bond, and it works especially well for guys who would likely cheat if this wasn't on the table
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:53 PM
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the women who talk about this loudly and often are women who want people to hear their story and validate them The women who are full of self reflection and regret don't broadcast it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:45 PM
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That's not what that means. Debate in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 05:46 PM
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Go inside a CPS agency some time. It's an entire culture of people who think like those cops, lawyers, judges, etc. "Women are wonderful, it's these big bad men causing the problems"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 04:17 PM
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I've worked in the system too, and while it's hard to make charges stick, you gotta remember that a shit ton get filed that don't ever make it to trial. You don't have to be convicted for it to fuck up your life
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 03:46 PM
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Oh come on Red pill theory is the simplistic version of what we do Of course this shit involves ambiguity when you implement it in the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 02:46 AM
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This guy is crazy, where do I begin? His writing style reflects some kind of mental illness. He sounds manic. I strongly disagree with his notion that "game" doesn't work. Learning how to approach women changed my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 10:54 PM
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I agree with you, but feminists don't see it that way
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:38 PM
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I'm confused - you're talking about successful dominant males, but all your examples are F/m Can you explain
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:37 PM
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Theoretically sure I would, particularly if I was elderly or something But practically - a woman that is stronger than me is going to be some kind of weird freak of a woman. She'd be like world class level of strength and likely on steroids. Not really my thing. Intelligence - theoretically yes, as long as we're within a couple standard deviations of each other in either direction we're probably gonna be fine. Typically I date women of above average intelligence, I really can't stand stupid peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 06:25 PM
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What is the question
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 04:36 AM
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This should be interesting but from what I'm seeing so far it's gonna pump my ego. My friends always rip on me saying I pull the ugliest girls in our group. Apparently I could do a lot worse
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 01:05 AM
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lol "ghetto studio" $1250 is more than the payment on my house. Move somewhere cheaper
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 08:34 PM
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No I reject all that, I want a girl who LOVES IT right away, who is blown away by me, who is attracted to me My current girlfriend was one of the ones who was blown away by me. She gets all wiggly when I'm around. She wants to do anything for me. She begs to have me. She is SUPER ATTRACTED to me. I see all that physical stuff as the foundation upon which you can build a good relationship if the connection is there. In my opinion most people get it wrong by trying to build attraction on a foundat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 04:29 AM
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So you're opposed to safe surrender laws?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 04:25 AM
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I think it's weird that we can have a life together, but if she decides she wants a bigger share of the household's money all she has to do is leave and sue for child support. She won't even be required to account for it, she can spend it however she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 04:23 AM
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I'm not a slut hater. But like the poster above in this thread I want the woman I make a life with to be blown away the first time we bang. That's important to me, and it's more likely to happen with girls who are a little less experienced. I think the ideal girl for an LTR is one who decided to take a ride on the cock carousel, met me shortly thereafter, and decided I was what she was looking for
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 03:42 AM
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I would gladly care for my own kids, what I am opposed to is them being some kind of bizarre incentive for a woman to take all my money
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 03:35 AM
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No obligation. A woman can safely surrender a child and walk away, a man should be able to as well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 03:30 AM
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You're assuming that I'm assuming that To be honest the vast majority of girls I've been with wanted LTRs. A few that didn't want that wanted at least STRs/casual relationship. Only a couple haven't called me back. I think there's a few reasons for that: I only bang girls I have a connection with most people are looking for more than an ONS I'm pretty awesome ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 03:25 AM
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How is it not? Abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:51 PM
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Not an assumption. Ive had girls in category 2 ask for an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:32 PM
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But that isn't all anyone thinks about. when I'm with a girl, I can tell when she's blown away with what I have to offer, when she's falling in love with me as I bang her, versus when I'm just another dude she's banged. It's night and day. Why would I ever LTR a girl from the second group?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:17 PM
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The average man may not have an abundance of options , but all the chads who keep pumping her and dumping her sure do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 07:20 PM
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No I mean like the way her body smells, like what her actual smell is. It's just an example. There's millions of little things like this that might turn you off personally even though she's a quality girl. Nips too big? Too small? Don't like the shape of her pussy? She's too wet? My point is if you have options you can be picky and look for a GREAT match
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 05:58 PM
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False. About 2/3 of the women I've had sex with - we were sexually incompatible for reasons like "I didn't love her smell." It isn't a reflection on her quality, it's just personal incompatibility. It sucks because I really liked a lot of them, they were great. But I'm not gonna spent years and years with someone if we're not amazingly compatible. I'm probably not even gonna all her again
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:06 AM
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Sexual compatibility is not purely intellectual. It's also things like "how does she taste? How does she smell? How do the pieces fit?" You can't really know this stuff without doing the deed I put a high value on it too, it's a must for LTRs that my partner and I are crazy about each other's scent, it's a must for LTR that she has a good tasting vagina, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:35 PM
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What is active construction?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:44 AM
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In my opinion the way you adjust for the career thing is to find a woman who is highly competent , but in a different area than you. Current LTR is an artist , she's good at it, but in her words "could never date an artist." I'm a lawyer, I don't think lawyers make good partners I don't know if this is RP approved strategy, they might say my lack of artistic talent will cause me problems with this girl. I see it as an opportunity to develop fem/masc polarity
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 05:35 PM
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Why are you trying to have long drawn out conversations on tinder? You need like 3-5 texts before you say "let's grab a drink some time." And then she says yes or you move on.
/r/askTRP16/07/16 01:16 AM
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Wow, that's good. I hadn't ever thought of it like that, but you're on to something. Women generally have a lot of help in coming to understand what they should take from media, men are just expected to figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 08:09 PM
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I don't know why people are looking to movies and not to pop music for this. Pop music (like half of it anyway) is total nice guy crap sold to fill women's fantasies. The part that little dorky boys don't understand is that coming out of the mouth of SUPER HOT guys, women will eat that shit up. Coming from you, they'll laugh in your face. I think a lot of guys didn't have anyone in their life to point that out to them, saw women go crazy for it, and thought it was all the nice guy crap that the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 07:52 PM
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Our politics more or less match up. That said, it seems like the Democratic Party is getting sucked into a right wing frame by making social issues and gender war bullshit into its political position. I don't want to side with a party that is going to give women an advantage at my expense. And I really don't want to side with a party that plans to settle a million foreign men here in just a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:28 PM
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You're saying they're not hypergamous
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 04:31 PM
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Most (submissive) girls, when in the presence of a mate they respect, don't even look to other men. He satisfies them. They are hypergamous and fully believe they've got the best, why would they want additional lesser men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 04:27 PM
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Western marriage bargain meant that men set aside polygamy and women set aside hypergamy. Each in favor of a lifelong commitment that couldn't be ditched absent serious abuses. If that system is gone, what remains? It ain't gonna be "hypergamy for all." That isn't what the top men are going to demand if the marriage bargain is being renegotiated
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 04:24 PM
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NO. Men are not hypergamous. Men are polygamous. Where women want the best possible mate, men want to add new mates to their harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 03:01 PM
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I went out and approached women all the time. Like 4-5 nights a week, approaching for maybe 2-3 hours a night trying to escalate or get numbers or get women to hang out with me. like I said I was a total weirdo while doing this but I became more socially calibrated as it went on. It was tough, lots of humiliation , lots of sleepless nights, but also lots of good memories, I had a lot of fun during that time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 06:21 AM
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Yup, I never believed it could be this good. I had about a year of absolutely cringeworthy going out and learning social skills but after that I've done pretty well for myself I was always pretty well adjusted though, had a good circle of friends etc, just didn't understand dating/sex dynamics at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:22 AM
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Yup, I was introduced to this stuff by some friends when I was an incel and I was basically asking everyone I knew for any kind of advice to help me. I got tons of shitty advice, but I made friends with a couple guys who similarly weren't satisfied with their sex lives and were trying to improve I got evangelical during my first few months and talked to a bunch of closer friends about it, they already knew I was searching for help in this area of my life so they really weren't surprised to hear …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 03:57 AM
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I would imagine that the vast majority of people who are into light/casual bdsm activities don't go to meetups. In my experience almost all the girls I've dated are into choking or smacking or manhandling
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 11:12 PM
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In my mind, if the benefit is agreed upon, whether I opposed it or supported it, if they've determined I qualify for it, then it's mine
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:12 AM
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They are both equally decided upon by the system within which I am required to play
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:10 AM
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Might as well not take your tax deductions either Edit - I don't get it. Why not take it? You're entitled to it. The deal is cut if you take it or not
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 02:59 AM
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My girlfriend and I switch it up. I don't do submission super well so as I don't like being beat up or manhandled, but once in a blue moon maybe. She is very dominant with other girls though and I get a kick out of seeing her dominate them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 02:39 AM
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If a government benefit exists, you're a fool not to use it out of some misguided sense of pride
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 02:24 AM
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That's a good point and if those programs are available I'd definitely encourage her to use them She is an aspiring artist though and I expect her to have a decent earning potential, though less than mine. Her chosen medium sells well, it's practical not foo fooey
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 02:23 AM
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Already talked about this with my current LTR. She'd have the child. I'd help raise it. She would move in with me (paying her share of rent.) We would not get married since I think marriage is a raw deal, but effectively we'd be living like a couple
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 10:53 PM
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Almost any subreddit for sex or relationships is filled with this kind of stuff - even ones like "askmen" that are supposedly male-led discussions. Basically anything other than TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 10:06 PM
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I've noticed that the higher the barrier to entry, the more complicated the app, the less attractive women are on it. These apps sound way too complicated
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:46 AM
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What he's saying is that "toning" in a deficit is not actual muscle gain for anyone except absolute beginners. Any trained person will lose muscle in a deficit. However, a person in a deficit may appear more toned because they're losing more fat than muscle. You might do a recomp and gain muscle while losing fat but again this is very difficuly and it's much more likely that you're simply losing more fat than muscle. Again, this is all out the window for beginners, noob gains are amazing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:51 PM
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When I say "give yourself permission to fail" it's a sort of mental trick to defeat any rationalization. No matter what goes wrong, it's not a big deal because that one didn't count
/r/askTRP01/07/16 07:42 PM
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My first approach I was walking with some friends at the mall, and I saw a cute girl. I walked up to her, said hi, froze like a little bitch and LITERALLY RAN AWAY. But you know why I'm doing well today? Because I was pushing my limits when I did that approach and I kept on pushing them. My approaches got incrementally better and today I'm very happy with my sex life. In my opinion the easiest game to play with approaches is "the first three don't count." Just give yourself license to fail for t…
/r/askTRP30/06/16 10:48 PM
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Like I said in my other post - my girlfriend is eating 1400 a day, she's lifting, she is on a pound a week deficit currently. It's not a starvation diet Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4qn0ic/cmv_cardio_is_really_important_for_women/d4uddi6
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 08:12 PM
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Ok but it doesn't have to be cardio. The other option is eat less. Lots of women prefer eating less to doing cardio.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:53 PM
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Same cut, same rate of loss. I agree with you that women have a lower TDEE then men of the same height. To achieve the same cut, women have two options: work more (as you suggest with cardio) eat less
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:44 PM
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Let's run numbers: TDEE without cardio: 1900 (eat at 1400 to lose weight) TDEE with cardio: 2200 (eat at 1700 to lose weight) It seems like the same thing to me. The first one is my girlfriends current deficit. She doesn't do any cardio but then again she's active; we go out dancing a lot, walk our dogs, go swimming in the summer, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:26 PM
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Youre saying that men on a cut don't get as hungry as women do? It's hard to CYV because I can't pinpoint exactly how you see energy expenditure/ metabolism being different between the sexes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:18 PM
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So essentially your view is that a cardio-induced caloric deficit is superior for burning fat to a non-cardio-induced caloric deficit? Specifically, that women can't lose bodyfat in a non-cardio-induced caloric deficit? Do you have any sources that support your view other than your trainer?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:13 PM
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If she wants to lose fat she needs to eat at a caloric deficit. Cardio simply increases how much she can eat before she's in a deficit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:08 PM
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Uh, calculate your TDEE, eat at it. Bam no cardio needed. I don't know how I'm supposed to C your V, this is mainstream dietary science. What part of it don't you believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:01 PM
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oh sorry- he lied about his job, not his income. The neurosurgeon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 11:57 PM
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So you think lying about how much money you make is similar to lying about whether you have a penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 11:37 PM
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Only 32 but: You have no idea how good it will be. Go out and take your lumps. There is a pain period, suck it up and deal with it. The sooner you learn the better. Who you'll be in a few years is outside your reality right now and you could not believe it if I tried to explain.
/r/askTRP29/06/16 10:49 PM
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i agree, that's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 10:11 PM
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The way the breasts appear when clothed is pretty much a function of the chosen clothes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 10:10 PM
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It's not like bodies just appear fully formed. A compliment on someone's body is a compliment of their chosen diet, fitness, and physical activity
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 07:23 PM
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look how the male bell curve spreads out versus the female bell curve the bottom isn't as deep for women Thus men at the bottom see being a woman as much better. Men at the top see being a woman as much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 02:18 AM
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red pill, mostly casual sex about once a month (LTR girlfriend is my main) I've done ONS I've been to nightclubs, drank, experimented with drugs about an hour I lift
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 03:23 PM
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I think it's broader than that. Your position as a man is pretty flexible, I was incel in my early 20s, I'm in the top 10% today. Humans are adaptable AF
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 03:17 PM
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I agree. It was a thought provoking read and it made me really think about the way incel guys look at women's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:21 AM
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I guess so - I should have qualified my statement, I thought the article was good in general but that part kinda struck me out of left field. I think the female video game heroines the author cited were a much better example
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:14 AM
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Being a woman is easier Being a man is better I wouldn't trade, I love my life. I might have answered this differently when I was an incel. Life is hard for a failing man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:06 AM
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lol it's almost like each sex only role plays the other when the other is in a power position
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 11:56 PM
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Honestly I ignore a lot of what women say about their own preferences because I've had SO MANY experiences with women who say (after we've dated for a bit) "wow I really like you, you're so different from the guys I usually date, I've never dated anyone like you, omg omg yay ahhhh"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 11:51 PM
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Certainly feminists would oppose any system like that LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 11:40 PM
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Because she'll only have sex with the thug
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 11:23 PM
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I think that author is dead wrong, I like lesbian porn because I can imagine myself dominating both of them, not because I want to be one of them (WTF???)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 11:12 PM
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being able to get down in the weeds is a useful skill, but so is being able to describe something from 30,000 feet
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 08:58 PM
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This is pointless if we can't see the subjects and the raters
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:41 AM
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I don't see why anyone wouldn't, I'd change with almost anyone for an hour unless they were sick or being tortured or something fucked up like that, it'd be a fucken trip and a half
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:39 AM
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No, it isn't easy. Going out for months and months and approaching strange women and showing sexual intent when I had no idea what I was doing -- what do you think happened 99% of the time? I came across looking like a total creepy weirdo. I was humiliated time and time and time again. Easy? AYFKM?? Of course it wasn't easy But now here I am three years later and I've become a very social person who knows how to have a normal conversation. I know how to meet people. It's not a big deal any more.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 02:47 AM
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fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 10:51 PM
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I was imagining people that do those activities in a more reckless way, not people who are doing it from a carefully managed position
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 07:54 PM
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Really? He seems like a pretty boy celebrity. When I read OP I was imaginging people who are a bit harder
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 07:53 PM
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I agree, and Dan Bilzerian? What a weird set of examples to back this up, those two are not at all what I was envisioning while I read this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 06:32 PM
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In my experience when my girlfriend complains about stuff, vast majority of the time the real problem isn't the thing she says it is. Maybe you are used to dealing with extremely logical women, in my experience they aren't all that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 09:45 PM
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Why is captain dynamic mysogynistic? It seems like framing it that way is counterproductive. Some women want to be led in a relationship. Some men prefer leading. If you prefer leading, and she prefers being led, that whole series is some of the best "relationship game" that you can run. You'll both be much happier for it. In the end, who cares if it makes some untrue statements if it produces a good outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 04:48 PM
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Hey at least redpill advice actually works, unlike the experts advice of "comfort her, talk to her, provide more" which actually turns her off even more
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 04:39 PM
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Yeah I agree, it isn't hard to fool the courts, still, it's better than throwing up our hands and acting like there's nothing that can be done. Many people will actually do what the courts say
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 08:54 PM
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In a guardianship, the guardian is generally required to account for the money entrusted to him. He must show that it was spent on the child. No reason it couldn't be done with child support
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 08:20 PM
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Boo fucking hoo, when the kid is with dad, he gets dad's lifestyle, when he is with mom, he gets mom's lifestyle. What's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 08:13 PM
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First off, I don't mind supporting my kids. That said, you're right, the system really does incentivize having random kids only if you're a broke ass with no wages to garnish, frankly I'm of the opinion that incentive structure hurts most people. There is no legal obligation for grandparents to pay child support, rather, our current system spreads the burden onto the taxpayers at large Clear and obvious solution, in my opinion, is simply to require an accounting as we'd do if it were a guardians…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 11:21 PM
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Got it. Thanks Edit: although now that I think about it, it seems like the line between TRP alpha and "high beta" as that term is often used on PPD is kinda blurry
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 08:35 PM
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I thought TRP specifically defined alpha in the limited "thug" sense only
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 07:54 PM
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You call it a dream world I see lots of women having kids outside of marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 04:16 PM
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Don't believe me if you don't want to, I have friends in the community and there is such a thing as "being good with women." I agree that their marketing materials often oversell, but you have to realize they have normal lives where they go to the bar and meet people ....just like anyone else. They are so incredibly social I couldn't believe what I was seeing the first couple times I went out with them. It changed my view of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 12:22 AM
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Your premise is wrong. Looks are not al that matters. Go look at some of the dudes who have seriously dedicated themselves to a PUA lifestyle. Plenty of genuinely ugly dudes bang models. They know how to create a fun, sexually arousing experience , and women love that shit. I'm not saying this is attainable for most guys, but some smaller scale version of it certainly is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 12:01 AM
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Exactly - but if the boys had been penetrated, it would be taken very seriously. Penetration is different. There is a penetrator and a penetratee, and for all our hand wringing, popular culture rightly regards them as different things
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:54 AM
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Happened to me when I was 12, I do not feel violated in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:51 AM
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Got it. I was thrown off by the second part re homophobia. Looks like we agree
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:46 AM
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I'd argue that we view "being penetrated" as being taken advantage of, put into a lesser role, either in homo or hetero contexts. Meaning, it's not a homophobic thing, it's a power thing. People don't believe the teacher is taking advantage -- after all, she got fucked, slammed, railed, rammed, crushed, smashed... However you want to say it. That'd be my explanation for why pegging teacher doesn't get off as easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 04:07 AM
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It's a complicated topic, because I wouldn't want to see those women treated as "abusers" and in any way, even though other people doing the same thing to someone else might be abusers. Irs an incredibly sensitive topic all around and I'm not trying to make any big pronouncements here, just telling my story
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 04:01 AM
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For me, life is all about finding the right balance
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:27 AM
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One of my friends who taught me pickup said something to the effect of: "she's looking for a man, not a little bitch. She should be a little afraid of you, she should know that you could fuck her and dominate her if you wanted to. But you also need to make clear to her that if she lets you into her life, you're not going to abuse her. You need to demonstrate that you are powerful, but also that you are safe." Do you find this problematic?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:21 AM
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I don't know what it's called. I've been there too though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:13 AM
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Thought experiment: Do you think it would be viewed the same if the details of the teacher student relationship were altered such that she was pegging him?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:12 AM
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Let's get personal! When I was 12 I had two babysitters (16, 18) that liked to mess around with me. A lot of times it was structured to be like a game or something like that. I never fucked them but we did other stuff. This went on for about 6 months or so. I had a lot of fun and I look back to it as a good memory. It would be absolutely retarded if they got punished for that in any way. So I guess - yeah, I'm a man, I'd give those women a free pass. They didn't do anything wrong, actually every…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:02 AM
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Pussy pass. People don't think the minor has been violated because no penis
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 02:57 AM
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"Statutory rape" isn't "rape," it cheapens rape that they even call it that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 02:55 AM
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A TRP alpha is some kind of psychopath thug, does not have the FTO required to go to law school or sit for hours prepping a case
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 02:42 AM
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Why use words at all if you're just going to have your own meaning for everything
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 02:39 AM
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Jobs - no, I don't fuck coworkers, it's jus an all around bad idea. I learned my lesson with that. I'm not in school any more. The rest of those, like I said, good places, but few and far between
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 02:12 AM
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Butt cheeks - hairless But if she's bent over, I can see the butthole (and vag, depending on position)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:35 PM
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I'm not aware of that, but it sounds like a very bad situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 08:06 PM
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You differentiate based on her body language and demeanor. If she gets all tight and scared, it's real resistance, STOP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 07:28 PM
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people can learn this stuff, it isn't that hard The inability of some people to learn it doesn't mean that nobody should learn it, it means that people should exercise caution and err on the side of safety
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 07:23 PM
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I see my girlfriends butt at least a couple times a week, if we're having sex I'm probably gonna see it unless it's strictly missionary/cowgirl, even then I bend her over and smack her a lot so I see things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 05:06 PM
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I cut and prep body hair where it's aesthetic to do so, for example I have sparse chest hair so I pluck it. I have a thick beard so I grow it out. I do it how I like it best, the goal isn't necessarily to try to look masculine if the features don't lend themselves to it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 03:53 PM
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Lots of people have hairy buttholes. So they shave. It provides a "cleaner" look. Also probably any model, porn, etc., shaves her butt. I don't understand what's to not understand really
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 03:42 PM
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I think the thread represents extreme cases, but there is PLENTY of sugar daddy and sugar baby that goes on among normal people, I know like three guys that do this, with middle class jobs and dime a dozen girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 04:03 AM
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I know guys in middle class jobs (my peers) who have sugar baby relationships..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 04:01 AM
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I could buy that, beta guys do get laid all the time. Still I don't think it invalidates the whole AF/BB thing which is more of a "wild youth, responsible adulthood" thing describing women in a pretty general way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:28 AM
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Only places I know where there's lots of single women assembled. I try to meet women in my day to day life but they're few and far between
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:22 AM
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I really don't get the online hate, but maybe the market is different form place to place
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 12:10 AM
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Do you mean BF as a female mating strategy whereby women look to their orbiters for sexual partners? I don't think I've seen that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 12:08 AM
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Yeah but I get less flaky, hotter girls online than I do in bars and clubs. Why would I stop doing that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 07:48 PM
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GREAT thread, I didn't understand a lot of this stuff for a long time. I originally read TRP thinking "alpha good beta bad" as discussed in this thread when really the goal is just being a person with a good mixture of traits plucked from each. TRP alpha is like some kind of psychopath, it shouldn't be viewed as a goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 07:33 PM
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Very useful and actionable advice for getting laid, there's really no way you could read this and be left with only a vague idea of what is intended, in no way heavily dependent on your own ability to interpret what the author meant
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:13 PM
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The problems here are generally in the way newbies are executing this stuff. When you're coming from a place where you suck with women, there's tons of little subtle things you do that say "I'm interested in a serious relationship." So then when you say "oh that was just casual," the woman feels misled.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 03:43 PM
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I think if we're talking about pure deductive logic, you're probably right. If you want to appeal to people and win them over in a more holistic context, they want to know, "yeah but if firebutt is wrong then what is right?"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:50 PM
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If a third person joined the debate and said, "firebutt guy is wrong and this is what actually happened and here's my proof," he'd be in a better position than either of you I dont understand why you think that doesn't add to the debate
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:28 PM
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I can see where you're coming from, but the argument would be better if you offered a decent alternative
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:21 PM
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I agree with you but I gotta do what works. If women responded to being productive and professional and a good citizen and all that shit, that's the game I'd bring. It's not so I don't
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:10 PM
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I guess if we want to get this far down in the weeds - there are some cases where the alternative is clearly implied, and some where it isn't. I'd say with "dating advice" or "sexual strategy" (as with the example of dieting advice) there's no clear alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 04:25 PM
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What? The obvious alternative would be a western medicine-based explanation. Critics would be impliedly offering that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:34 AM
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In my experience most people here debate in better form than you give them credit for, but hey, we all have our moments where we get carried away on some dumb argument. Is this in reference to something, or more general?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:43 PM
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Got it. Gym bunny is referring to a guy. I've only heard that in reference to a woman up to now. Thanks for clarifying :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:38 PM
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I'll give you a couple hours a day every other day , I have a friend who's huge does acting and modeling based on that and he works a 4 day/week routine , generally in the gym about 60-90 minutes each time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:34 PM
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I have trouble believing someone doesnt understand the implications behind a statement like the one I pasted
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:31 PM
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I don't understand what is being said in the first paragraph , it's not just me, it's written in a confusing manner
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:24 PM
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"blue pill" does not necessarily refer to the subreddit lots of advice doesn't necessarily equal good advice, Google "how to lose weight" and you'll get a million different plans of varying efficacy and tons of harmful snake oil when you come to a debate an issue, you can't expect to win by saying "all your ideas suck, but I've got nothing better."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:22 PM
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If a guy is really muscular, he probably spends hours every day at the gym. Certain women are into that, but if they are looking for a good conversation after sex, that's probably not the trait they are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:13 PM
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I don't think you understand how much time it takes to get fit. It's a only a few hours per week, you just have to keep up with it consistently for a long time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:10 PM
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Your post is confusing AF
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:07 PM
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my point is that a sexual strategy of course is going to talk about how high smv women behave, those are the women you're going to pursue using the strategy. Low smv women are low hanging fruit you really don't need a strategy for them once you understand how this stuff works
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 06:01 PM
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"It's not all women! Only the attractive ones!!" How is that a good critique of a sexual strategy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 02:08 AM
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Yeah there's a reason I didn't call those women back. One of them had a really cool personality too, we really got along - it's not like I did this laughing all the way, it fucking sucks to hurt people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 09:06 PM
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What they say is that being wanted for casual sex but not relationships is better than being completely unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 10:45 PM
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It felt good, lots of things feel good. A kiss feels good. "It feels good" is a pretty low bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 09:50 PM
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Doesn't mean it's really that enjoyable. Just busting a nut unenthusiastically isn't most guys' idea of good sex. In fact, thinking back to my worst lays, I'd probably have been happier if id just jerked off on their belly or something
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 09:32 PM
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lol at all the bloops who complain about how "gamey" relationships have become, and yet they still push shit like "affirmative consent" Part of me thinks they want it to be gamey
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 04:41 PM
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I just disengage from this type of material for long enough that I'm in a healthy state of mind. My metric for that is if I'm involuntarily thinking about it while I'm out being social
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:31 PM
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Sluts are bad - I actually think the best girl for LTR is one who's had a brief ride on the CC, met me that way, and fell in love with me. connection between RP theory/game and right wing economics or religious outlook on life. The connection isn't necessary IMO. obsession with cheating - if you read the RP sub enough you're gonna get paranoid because cheating is like 70% of posts
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:05 PM
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It's not like I'm trying to be scared of it. Rationally I know I got this. I'm just scared of ever feeling that isolated again. It's an irrational fear
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:57 PM
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Maybe some people like my character then
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:48 PM
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There are plenty of women who are willing to take the deal. I don't need to win over the ones who aren't. It goes both ways too - they can probably find a guy who's down to marry them. They don't need to win me over to team marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:39 PM
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But you don't need marriage to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:24 PM
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How would she know that up front? She is going to have sex with me well before she has any idea what my character is like
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:22 PM
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Because she knows she needs to bring her A game or she gets nothing. The alternative isn't marriage, it's "I dump her and find some other girl who will agree to this arrangement."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:16 PM
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Why would she want an arrangement where we are both happier long term? That's your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:12 PM
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But because I can walk out the door, she stays on better behavior. When she stays on better behavior, we're both happier
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:09 PM
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But you can just go change your name to his if you want. That doesn't even require his consent (lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:03 PM
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She will stick around bc she still gets a relationship with me. Also, like the other poster said, lots of women aren't super into marriage any more
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:01 PM
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Slightly longer dry spell is what pushed me to basically overhaul my life so that I'd never be in that position again. Years later I'm still terrified that somehow I could go back to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:17 PM
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oh come on, hot girls get approached every day, a week would be a dry spell
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:15 PM
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A six month dry spell is long enough to cause lasting damage
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 07:30 PM
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I honestly have no idea , other than that all the girls who shame me for it seem kinda hard up for commitment and/or low self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 04:42 AM
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Uh, if the guy is whipped and she says "buy me stuff or I walk," then he'll probably buy it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 09:16 PM
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Your example sounds more like a thirsty dude who got a little taste of pussy and lost his shit than an experienced older man who enjoys the company of younger women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 07:20 PM
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It's mostly just teasing, but sometimes it has a bitter edge to it. It's always from late 20s women who appear to be itching for marriage. I live in a very conservative part of the country, people tend to marry younger here than what I'd imagine they do in the big metros, so that might factor into it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 05:33 PM
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Its not the same as OP, but I get a lot of shame from women my age when I date women in their early 20s. (Im 30)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 05:10 PM
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Got it. I see what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 04:42 PM
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why do you think Cougars are rare? I mean I don't have exact numbers but it seems like there's a whole scene full of single middle aged ladies in my town at least
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 04:16 PM
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I think the controversial part is where they say women never stop searching, even when married
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 04:07 PM
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Why do you say smart people avoid a one-sided arrangement, even if they're on the upswing? It seems like a good deal to me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 04:27 AM
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Yeah, this is more or less what my SO and I do. We aren't super strict about the feels; the rule is that she comes before the side bitches. 99% of it is us chasing together for fun, that keeps me pretty satisfied. I do get a little on the side, but not much. We're both of the belief that I'm "sharper" when I go out and chase somewhat regularly, and that she likes the sharper version of me better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 02:08 AM
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Ah. yeah I see that now. But, my point stands. I have no idea what GP considers "insanely hot."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 08:33 PM
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I've seen what passes for "insanely hot" on this sub, and it's like a 6-7. Judging from the pics UA_Hammer posted below, it's pretty clear these women are not "insanely hot."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 08:19 PM
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I kinda look down on them. I mean it's cool for them and all, but I feel like I'm better off in that my partner and I just go out and find new women together. There's really no shortage of willing women, and my partner and I love the chase. She's also told me that she likes it, that I'm protective and that I don't want other dudes fucking her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:13 AM
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Who are the people who will be satisfied with this? A big part of sex is the validation you get from a new person wanting you. I doubt you'd feel that from a sex bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 11:26 PM
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Outline: decisive strong grounded consistent / integrity In my mind these are guidelines and a guy will do better to not interpret it too rigidly. It's ok to show a weakness now and then just don't be a crybaby
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 11:18 PM
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Yeah I agree - the only people who gave me shitty dating advice were blue pill as fuck. My dating life 3 years into this... I didn't know it could be this good. It would be literally unbelievable to my 25 year old self that anyone's dating life could be like this, let alone mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 11:07 PM
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I defined feminity in the traditional sense, and said that traditional feminity and traditional masculinity are great compliments to each other, and you just said I'm way off. I dont know what you mean by that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 04:42 AM
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If you're denying that femininity and masculinity are actual things, I don't think there's much room left for debate. We're too far apart on basic premises.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:01 PM
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This whole thread gets off base here. TRP has about the same applicability to 23 year olds as it does to 32 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 03:40 AM
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I'm 30. My early 20s sound more like your world, and my late 20s like OPs
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 08:33 PM
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This is a good comment because it highlights men's unconditional love is sort of a naive thing. Most men grow out of this to varying degrees
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:17 PM
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Anyway - like I said, this is what men tend to do. It's not necessarily what I do or what I think is the best approach. I think men do better to hold women accountable, but lots of guys avoid doing that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 05:35 PM
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What does this have to do with standards? I never said they didn't have to be hot. Of course they have to be hot, that's such a given I didn't even bother saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 05:28 PM
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Men tend to love women just for existing. What she brings to the table is basically just being there and not being a bitch. There aren't many expectations beyond that. This is about as close as you get to "unconditional love" in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 05:09 PM
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Mainstream advice would be fine if it had a little bit more about power dynamics, and the differences between men's and women's experiences in dating (to help kill that solipsism) I don't think I ever saw a discussions of those things until I was deep into this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:45 PM
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In most blue pill/feminist subreddits, the idea of leading the relationship is extremely controversial. I had someone tell me I was doing BDSM-style total power exchange, except since we never discussed it, it was not consensual and so I'm pretty much a rapist (lol... Okay) I do believe there are certain ways in which a feminine woman acts that are more emotional, more free, more present, etc, and I believe that acting in a masculine way is a great compliment to that. I don't think it's hurting …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:42 PM
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I agree with you, but I still think TRP is pretty good when compared to all the bad advice that's out there. Not the best, but better than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:31 PM
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Did you read mine? It's a useful generalization for a guy using it, someone who is trying to learn how to do better with women. The fuck does he care about all these little nuances, all these minor problems with the generalization? The generalization, the most common case, the clear rule is what he needs. He will get the rest later
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:06 PM
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All things equal, a woman is more attracted to a dominant man than to a submissive man. I understand that there are exceptions. So what? It's still a useful generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:55 PM
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If TRP is defensive driving, then I guess slashing someones tires so that they cant back into you is considered defense. What melodrama. So basically by leading in my relationships, keeping fit, and learning game I'm now a felon? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:39 PM
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Agree. I meet hotter women on tinder than in my local bar scene. Also much lower rate of flaking
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:10 AM
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Does it matter if you're the one initiating it or receiving it? I sometimes have an aversion to touch, but it's different touching versus being touched
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 10:47 PM
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Do you hate all sex acts, from hugging and kissing all the way to PIV?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 10:28 PM
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The critique of the data isn't just that "there are no attractive people online." It's also that it's very hard to rate men's attractiveness solely based on pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 10:00 PM
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your gym is much different from mine if they're going to fire trainers for rumors of having sex with clients. Also, if they're concerned about reputation. It's different for the doctor, lawyer, policeman - they will lose their license if they fuck their clients. Edit : phone formatting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 09:40 PM
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lol "risk his professional reputation" Edit: what risk is there? It'd be completely in line with expectations if he beds a client now and then
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 09:27 PM
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I agree with your post. Being fto factors in at the margins but it isn't the major driver of whether you take time to practice social skills You would think that an FTO person would factor in social skill set as something they need to develop like every other skill
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 08:12 PM
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I have a friend who is a trainer who has absolutely fucked some of his clients If I fuck my clients, I will lose my license to do my job, it will end my career It's not the same
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 04:54 PM
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She could take a group fitness class instead of getting one on one private training, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 04:36 PM
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Trainer = professional lol What professional duties and ethics does a trainer have
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 04:26 PM
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How is it any different from a private dance lesson?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 03:57 PM
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It is a lose-lose situation; a considerate woman doesn't put you in that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 03:37 PM
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How much of this is just a normal thing? I've had to do this stuff 3 times in the course of a 1.5 year relationship. Two of those were pulling her out of conversations with dudes when we'd been split up in the club and were meeting back up, one was when she rebuffed a guy but not as strongly as I'd like her to. In general she's pretty good about telling dudes to back off. In my judgment 3 minor situations like that in 18 months isn't a red flag. I've dated girls where I'd be doing that stuff 10x…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 03:34 PM
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I agree to some extent but 99% of people saying this are just making excuses. Very few people have an accurate idea of what they'll look like if they cut their bodyfat considerably. Just the other day I saw a Facebook thread with a bunch of friends who are around my height bitching about BMI, saying they're going to look emaciated at 10-15 lbs heavier than me. They're just wrong. The other poster said she maintains at <1000 calories a day, which is clearly bullshit. A 30 year old sedentary woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 02:22 PM
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Yeah I get it now, I'm looking back here. Basically I thought going to the gym and lifting regularly was a bad thing. It sounds ridiculous in retrospect, but somehow I believed it, and so do lots of other people
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 04:06 PM
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If you keep at it there will be progress, but it can be very slow going
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 03:00 PM
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Anyone who says stuff like this either (1) has never counted calories diligently or (2) is some extreme <1% outlier who calorie counting doesn't apply to. I used to beleive all that stuff too until I actually tried it. I was just "naturally skinny," I could never get big from lifting, now here I am several months into measuring and tracking literally everything that I consume and ...lo and behold there's huge progress. Frankly I think the negative attitudes people have towards counting calories …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 12:33 AM
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I think there are obviously some people who do this - the stereotype is the guy who joins a feminist group because hey there's lots of women in that group. But there are also people who have personal beliefs about things, because that's how they think the world works. My girlfriend is anti-feminist but she runs in a liberal crowd and has a very liberal image. You'd never know that her view of the SMP was fairly red pill ish unless you were a close personal friend, because she doesn't talk about …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 11:23 PM
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But that's my point - you say it's so easy for them to go on tinder and meet dudes but really it isn't. If all they care about is him being hot, sure, they can find that but they can't judge his presence very well without meeting him. honestly I mostly agree with you but your post does come across a couple shades too pessimistic for my taste
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 11:14 PM
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I don't understand -- isn't part of TRP "you should go out and learn game (read: social skills)"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 10:20 PM
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dude I feel like we are in different worlds, I'm 30 and most women I meet talk about how hard it is to meet an interesting or fun man, that they can meet dudes easily but most of them don't excite them much. My late 20s and so far my 30s.. I feel like I'm killing it compared to my earlier life
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 10:12 PM
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There is no skinny gene. Skinny people just don't eat much. Try counting calories for a month or so, you'll either maintain, lose, or gain almost exactly as predicted. It's almost scary to watch it happen after being raised on terrible dietary and fitness advice
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 10:08 PM
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If a woman is mean to me, but still really sexy and still DTF, we'd probably have great hateful sex. I've been there and done that and the sex was awesome. I'm not going to build a serious relationship around it for obvious reasons, but just for sex I don't see the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 06:56 PM
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Why do those people stick so firmly with a belief that they know doesn't produce results?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 06:54 PM
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Feminism is so entrenched at this point that it's indistinguishable from the amorphous mass referred to as "patriarchy"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 06:29 PM
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Yeah, I don't really believe its malicious any more, but when I first got into this stuff a few years back I did. It took a long time to shake that belief
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 06:23 PM
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When I'm on PPD, there is a fairly narrow range of views within which range I will change my views based on the debate When I read most mainstream feminist leaning subreddits I just sorta roll my eyes and laugh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 05:53 PM
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I get what you're saying but for some people it is. We grew up with "just be yourself, don't go to the gym and lift if that's not you, just be yourself and eventually you'll meet someone great." Or we constantly heard girls saying how they "don't like muscular guys." (lol okay sure) Even on this subreddit you'll see it a lot. I'm a skinny guy who's been bulking for about 4 months now and it's already night and day the amount of attention I'm getting, F those people and their shitty advice. It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 05:43 PM
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