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You argued Women Can't Be "Used" For Sex If They Consented But if most or much of the time this consent was claimed under false pretenses, this is a valid counter to your argument. You're still just trying to evade actually responding to any arguments against your OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:17 PM
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It's telling that you have no real response to this comment so you just start throwing around extreme language and attacking the arguer rather than the argument. I'm afraid the only people on this post going through wild mental gymnastics are you and other men here wanting to justify acting like pieces of shit. And then some of you are probably the same fuckers who turn around and argue "bUt 99% oF Men ArE sWeEt LiTtLe AnGeLs."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:08 PM
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Thinking men fulfill all companionship needs better than women sounds pretty homoromantic to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:02 AM
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Just don't be surprised when a woman doesn't want to be in a relationship with a man who may be heterosexual but rather homoromantic or aromantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:22 AM
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Sure. Given you don't know basic shit about how most female bodies look....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:50 AM
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No, it's not. Strong argument there. You don't have to look like Eugenia Cooney to lose your period my guy. But I don't have time to educate the willfully ignorant. It's not my responsibility to prove your claims for you. If yoy have evidence of this, show it. You claimed it isn't true, and thus took on your own burden of proof. But this is such an easily googleable fact that this is just absolutely fucking lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:35 AM
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It is true that most women have cellulite and stretch marks. Google is your friend. Being emaciated is a standard pushed by society, by the examples I gave. It results in a lot of eating disorders and body issues in girls and women. Seems men often have little to no ability to judge what a healthy weight in a woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:29 AM
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I think most of us are well aware that how most women look naturally is unattractive according to society at large. And particularly men. To be attractive, women are expected to: not be hairy, when most of us are naturally hairy; not have cellulite, when most women have cellulite; be emaciated such that we lose our periods which is the furthest thing from natural, but is heavily pushed as an ideal standard (e.g., supermodels, many current celebrities); not have stretch marks, when most of us hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:19 AM
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Regardless of the truth of your statement, this is remotely relevant to how the sluttiness of men contributes to men's problems...how?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:30 AM
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Eh I don't know about that. Easing the restrictions on blocking if we perceive someone as "bad faith" seems like a massive loophole that will continually be exploited and create echo chambers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:48 PM
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It is not required that they consciously revel in it for it to be incredibly fucked up. Them being willing to defile and devalue someone for their own pleasure - even if they don't specifically get joy from that aspect - is sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:06 PM
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Different treatment does often, but not always, stem from bigotry. I don't think most people will argue that different treatment is always inherently misogynistic. It's what's motivating the different treatment that often is. Therefore, I don't think this is a valid criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:54 PM
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Be gone, tone police, if you have nothing substantive to add and want to nitpick.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:44 PM
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Really? You can only critique all or none? Very black and white thinking. And literally nothing in this discussion had anything to do with arguments for "equality" so that's a random way to rope in another manosphere talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:38 PM
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Fantastic ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:33 PM
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Is basically modern world. Really? I've literally never tried to actively engage in activities with other people that I believe devalues them. Nice attempt to hand wave away this issue. My point if not that is good or bad, point is this is not hypocrisy. You guys will twist yourself into knots about why this allegedly isn't hypocrisy, but it's a double standard many view as hypocritical no matter how many cry about "wellz AkShUaLlY."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:29 PM
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You're right. It's even worse for men to sleep around. Because many of them view women with higher body counts as having less value. So basically, they enjoy going around trying to devalue as many women as possible. There is literally nothing more disgustingly fucked up and psychopathic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:15 PM
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"Men in the past didn't have to be accountable for their actions so why should we be now?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:32 PM
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And it still wouldn't be a problem for men if they stopped giving out free dick. Yet, many always try to export any accountability for their shitty lives to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:30 AM
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I'd say many women like the idea of a man but are less enthralled with what they actually receive in a relationship with a man, which lead some to conclude that being single is preferable because the reality of pairing with a man is kind of ass, even if they have some baseline desire to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:07 AM
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If men wouldn't freely pass out cock, they'd solve their own problems. But alas...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:03 AM
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Wahs baby menz have no accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:56 AM
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It's not a good comparison because you're comparing behavior and experiences to physical traits. I more apt comparison that many find offensive would be male preference for younger women*, for example, as that may be due at least in part to physical attributes. It's entirely different to feel entitled to experiences that you don't want others to have. But as a low N woman who gets the ick from high N men, I find high N men who want low N women disgusting af. I used to keep this to myself, as you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:42 PM
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Are you suggesting that a man who says I'd date any woman while conflating woman with young thin woman isn't delusional as fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:22 PM
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Men are made for war and hunting (if you believe in evolution). They are made to kill. They are made to protect their families from other tribes. Maybe, but even if granting that it doesn't mean that: They are made to lead. Having physical attributes that make you better at fighting does not necessitate that you are "made" to lead or that you'll be a good leader. This does not mean they don't have feelings or that they can't talk about them. It means they can't cry about them except in certain e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:20 PM
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Imo, at its root, this stems from a worldview that reduces sex to a conquest rather than a shared, mutual experience. If intimacy is viewed as a zero-sum game where a man "takes" and a woman "surrenders" herself emotionally, then a woman who engages in casual sex without catching feelings disrupts that entire inner narrative. This attitude is further demonstrated by the obsession some men have with getting a woman to do things with them that she wouldn't do with others. Essentially treating her …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:04 PM
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As per usual, men holding themselves to a lower standard and acting like complete sluts if they can while judging women who act like they do or would.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:34 PM
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Because when it comes to attracting men - we are the fisherman and you are the fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:48 PM
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Fucking disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:02 PM
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So the goal post is shifting from only looks matter to only characteristics that are innate matter? And are you arguing that some people failing to learn something means it cannot be done? Charisma is a skill. Like any skill, some people may find it easier to master, but anyone can enhance their charisma. But if you decide that it is something that cannot be learned, you probably will never learn it due to your self-imposed limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:09 AM
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One of the most charismatic men I have met was short with bad teeth. Easily below average looks wise. Regardless, the fact of the matter is most people are average, and being average and charismatic is going to be a lot more desirable than being average and not charismatic. An average man's charisma can make him desirable to women who he otherwise would not be desirable to. However, if you want to cling to a fatalistic world view in which only the extremes are considered and true desire is only …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:10 AM
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Nope. A woman can definitely desire to have sex with a charismatic man. Because he is charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:28 PM
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The summary of your comment is that you are devaluing every single way of valuing a person except for physical appearance which more or less affirms the OP. Objectively, there is really no difference between fucking a man because he's hot or fucking a man because he's charismatic, for example. They're both responding to external quality that has little to do really with "who he is" (or at least are incomplete). It's just that you subjectively have "othered" all forms of value other than physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:23 PM
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Really? Why would a beautiful woman drop her picture such that she would open herself up to stalking by the ass faces on this sub? But there's no reasoning with someone who is clearly reacting solely based on emotion. Regardless, my original point still stands. If you're going to hand wave away anecdotal experiences that don't match your fee fees, other people can hand wave away yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:00 PM
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Got it, it's "relevant" because you're emotionally offended. Now tell me darlin', would you be so offended if you knew you were hot stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:44 PM
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How is it remotely relevant whether or not I'm Jabba the Hutt's long lost twin? On the other hand, whether men complaining here are average or below average is relevant the truth of men here complaining about what the "average man" experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:40 PM
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Kind of like how the men complaining in this forum have yet to prove that their anecdotal experiences are representative of the average man versus significantly below average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:28 PM
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Good example of male solipsism here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:06 PM
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I can't even pretend to tell how you think this vague statement is at all relevant. "Pair bonding," insofar as it exists, in men is either as strong or it isn't. You argue it isn't. Therefore, in that instance, a woman is pathetic to get so attached to a man who won't be as attached to her. Edit: and before you try to move the goal posts again, quoting from your OC: Pair bonding is a very real thing. It is not quite as strong in men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:31 PM
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That's just restating the same thing and makes no material changes. So again, if pair bonding is not as strong in men as you argued in your OC, it is really quite sad to get so attached to them. Hence, pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:22 PM
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arent attached What the strawman is this? I said "as" attached. You spent your entire OC going on about how "pair bonding" isn't as strong for men. So, it's pathetic to be so attached to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:32 PM
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Aw thats sad though Is it? Why the fuck would you want to be that attached to someone where it isn't reciprocal, as you argue in your OC? Edit: seems much more sad to me to cling to someone who won't be as attached. Pathetic, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:16 AM
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If I'd been born and socialized as a man, considering my sunny disposition even sans greater amounts of testosterone, I would probably be an insufferable piece of shit. Given that I whine about male promiscuity, I'd probably be whinging about high N women while making up bullshit double standards about why it was ok for me to be a slut given men are handed these double standards on a platter. I'd probably be very arrogant. Female me would likely really dislike male me. Edit: would I be successfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:15 PM
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So? That's life about *many things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:02 PM
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Why is it a hard pill to swallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:56 PM
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Yet another good reason not to commit to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:20 AM
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Some people suck. But bear in mind from the outside it can be hard to accurately tell who sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:32 PM
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By not dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:30 PM
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Do you think whether the majority of men cheat on or leave their wives for younger women is the only relevant consideration?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:48 PM
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How high and mighty of you after being the one to start with the condescending attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:35 PM
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That OC was not describing the worst of men, as you alleged, just how their attraction and desire works. Which is a separate question of how a man handles it. Spelled out clearly enough or do I need to say things slower?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:49 PM
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I'm not really sure how your comment is responsive to mine. I never made any claims that all men act a certain way based upon their impulses. That doesn't change that the fact that they have them. It does not change who they're most attracted to or the fact that their neighbor may indeed be more sexually enticing than their familiar wife, regardless of how they choose to act.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:39 PM
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The Coolidge effect and the fact that men are most attracted to women around 20 years old are both well documented. Edit: for those unfamiliar with it, the Coolidge effect is a biological phenomenon seen in animals, whereby males exhibit renewed sexual interest whenever a new female of reproductive availability is introduced, even after sex with prior but still available sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:51 PM
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Twu wuv. While he beats off to 18-year-olds at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:41 PM
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he owned me body and soul and you just don’t trigger that feeling in me Ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:08 AM
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It doesn't change the fact that you can either 1) shut up (as in, you can bitch but if you bitch non stop to her she's going to leave) and take it; find someone else; or stay single. Bitching online doesn't create another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:30 AM
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I'm noting that your argument doesn't actually change your three real life options, while also noting that, as per usual, male perception of how men behave (as many men complain bitterly online) doesn't line up with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:29 AM
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For the supposedly solutions focused sex, that does fuck all to change your actual options. Bitching online doesn't change your real-life options.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:19 AM
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So one 1) shut up and deal with it; 2) find someone else; or 3) stay single. Those are the only three paths.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:28 AM
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Men who lie to get sex are much worse. Garbage, as far as I'm concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:29 AM
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Geez OP, I wonder why women aren't comforted by you empathy dodging and dropping stats that don't show the whole picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:01 PM
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Sure, if that happens, that's an improvement. I still am not seeing how it's relevant to my criticism of the OP, as it's speculative and not the current reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:20 PM
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And this is relevant how? If in some future world AI porn wipes out the regular porn industry, that's not really relevant to the cards that we are currently dealing with. It has no bearing on the fact that there are innumerable legitimate criticisms of the current porn industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:14 PM
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He went from red pill to black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:55 PM
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really? You think that single men are the center of the universe such that the multitude of criticisms about porn are mainly fabricated and what people really want to do is persecute men? I can't not even imagine having such a sense of self importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:20 PM
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Imagine thinking that criticism of a multi billion dollar industry that involves significant human trafficking and has ruined multiple relationships boils down to people wanting punish single men and stop them from having any sexual outlet. If this isn't evidence of main character syndrome, I don't know what is. Edit: to clarify, this is in response to OP's overarching claim: Antiporn is usually motivated by misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:36 PM
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You're assuming that the only rational choice is the longer choice. Quantity of life is not always superior to quality. Living a few more years with the bear and no subjugation can easily be superior to living 40 more years as a sex slave. In sum, if you're going to perpetuate this view of men, don't complain when women mirror it back and hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:08 PM
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I didn't say no men call out RP view points. I said I almost never see them calling out RP viewpoints on male nature/men. what's your point? That many men agree with what blue haired feminists say about male nature but only get mad when women say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:06 PM
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So now you're arguing that the bear is worse than the man. But what if she disagrees with your analysis and would prefer the bear because it won't plot and scheme to force her into sexual servitude? Ultimately, if you're going to fuel a negative view of men, can you fault women for disliking or hating men based upon your view of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:42 PM
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You're not answering my question. How can you fault a woman for deciding she wants nothing to do with men for believing what you say about them? Ie, choosing the bear, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:36 PM
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So are these men calling out the rhetoric on men when TRP says or just when the blue haired feminist says it? Because I see a lot of men complaining about women saying men are essentially violent animals but crickets when another man says the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:32 PM
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So if it's "a basic analysis of reality" that men will turn to violence towards women if they don't get sex, how can you fault a woman for accepting what you're saying and concluding no to men and yes to the bear?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:27 PM
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I in general decline to believe biased generalizations about 50% of the population without sufficient data. Not "articles." Having data based opinion is something I'd recommend, as opposed to having strong views conflating what you feel is real with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:56 PM
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ah so a war of the anecdotes fueled by bias. Not much to add to these sorts of conversations that'll have any value.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:51 PM
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This is another assertion but it doesn't give me a reason so believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:45 PM
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definitely more shown in women Why should we believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:40 PM
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You're also stating that no woman should dare risk a relationship with a man, because he might not find her as physically attractive down the road. If only life could be so predictable and perfect. I don't see any arguments about how women shouldn't pair up with men, just arguments of personal comfort based upon the data. Why isn't it ok for some women to be uncomfortable with the fact that men are by and large all most attracted to 20 year olds? Ultimately whether a relationship is worth it or …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:37 PM
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You're just enraged and shadow boxing in the corner. I never claim to be a feminist. Ultimately, I agree she's a piece of shit. Your example just really isn't responsive to what I was asking of evidence for. Are you appalled that Donald Trump's past is overlooked and he has been allowed into the most powerful position in the planet?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:07 PM
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Did they give her a platform because of what she did? Like I said, it's fair to think someone who did something like that shouldn't be given a platform. But not everyone agrees in blacklisting people for even awful shit they've done in the past. Look at the president of the United States, after all, who has sexually assaulted at least one woman, likely many, but his supporters are willing to over look that. And are you saying that her crime was any less coz she wasn't directly involved and inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:59 PM
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With male and female friends. I also don't believe she was the one who sexually assaulted him. Let's not pretend that the number of men who have raped and murdered women doesn't eclipse what women have done. Regardless, it's fair to think maybe she should have never gotten a platform. But we are specifically talking about women talking or posting about this sort of thing in a comparable way to what incel forums frequently reflect. So unless other women were they celebrating her crime from when s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:49 PM
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I've never seen a woman post about fantasizing raping a man, mutilating him, and torturing him, no. Kill all men is offensive rhetoric, but women saying this are not fantasizing about killing all men. Sex selective abortions also - in either direction - not near on the same level. I haven't actually seen women saying they hope men die in war, no. But unless they're fantasizing in gruesome detail about how they want men to die, that still wouldn't be quite on the same level. So no, I haven't hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:51 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:12 PM
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I'm not interested in defending OP's definition of patriarchy. Using his points to argue that his conclusion does not follow does *not mean I agree with them. It means I'm internally critiquing his argument and conceding points one through three for the purposes of this debate. So if you have an issue with the definitions at play here, take it up with OP. Just a couple of notes, however. This is a wrong analogy. The thing with patriarchy and why it's actually hard to get rid of, and why women up…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:41 AM
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No. No system is that all-encompassing. It can heavily influence one area and have lesser effects on others. But ALL of it? ALL the time? That's fantasy. The human condition reaches out farther than any single system or philosophy could ever even attempt. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. I'm using OP's definition of patriarchy, mind you, I'm not making a separate definition, and I don't believe I have misrepresented his position, else he would have probably objected on that fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:55 AM
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Your assertion that it's logically invalid, is itself invalid. Pervasiveness and degree of harm are separate dimensions; something can be highly pervasive and only slightly harmful (which is my stance on patr.) You may not agree but it definitely passes the propositional logic check But you didn't just argue it is pervasive. You argued it affects power dynamics in most professional and social settings. Power dynamics affect the entire structure of society from the top to bottom. That isn't just …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:46 AM
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That's what a debate is. To prove your side. No, I'm not trying to "prove" that four is wrong. I'm saying it doesn't follow from your own premises. This is a valid form of argumentation. Rebuttals do not require a positive argument. Yes I can, easily. Clickbait headlines are harmful, omnipresent, and also not that serious. Fast Fashion. Shrinkflation. All harmful but... among the top 10% things harming society? No. Clickbait headlines, fast fashion, etc, don't affect most aspects of society like…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:25 AM
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I’m not interested in going on a tangent about how society should rank its priorities so that you can shift the burden of proof that you took on by making this post. I am pointing out the internal contradiction in your argument. You defined patriarchy as a system that shapes pretty much every human interaction, career choice, and mental health outcome, while causing harm to both sides. By your own definition, you cannot really separate any societal problems from this baseline. In fact, many issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:53 AM
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Just accepting your first three points, you've admitted we are talking about a system that actively shapes every human interaction, career choice, and mental health outcome. The reality is that every status quo feels harmless to those who are comfortable with the baseline, but personal comfort doesn't change the fact that something shaping pretty much every facet of life is anything but minor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:11 AM
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I mean, that's what a significant number of men here do any time anyone says something that doesn't jive with how they feel the world is (and of course, lavishly praise the one or two women parroting their talking points for "telling the truth"). If those are the rules they're going to play by, why should the other side play by a different set of rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:29 AM
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What in the circle jerk post is this asking TRP this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:27 AM
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it isnt asinine, because men and women want different hings and desire different things, As per usual, this statement is, not only not entirely correct but also entirely irrelevant. most men desire most women, most women get swipes, most women have relationships, sex and dates Most men have relationship, sex, and dates. You're otherwise stating as truth the proposition you seek to defend - that most men want most women. But you've given no reason for me to believe it's true and ignore OC's point…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:32 PM
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What do you base that on?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:59 PM
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As you acknowledge in that comment chain, the fact that men can get into relationships does not necessarily mean they're desired. It does not mean women don't desire a small percentage of men. Many men's ability to get into relationships could be due to something like convenience. So to then turn around and demand "proof" that the groups women of women cited by OC are barred from sex and relationships is asinine. So to repeat your own argument back to you: your operation off the assumption, that…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:52 PM
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Well look at this goal post shift. You acknowledge that men aren't barred from sex and relationships above, but argue it apparently doesn't count because: your operation off the assumption, that those marriages and relationships are operating of desire. But here, you're now demanding: proof that this supposed significant group of women are barred from sex and relationships So unless these groups of women are completely barred from relationships, it doesn't count. However, evidence that men also …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:33 PM
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Most of your responses are entirely irrelevant as to whether men are chasing a small percentage of women. You're arguing that most of these are "valid" reasons, but that has no bearing on whether or not the result is that men are chasing a small percentage of women. Similarly trying to argue that older women don't want younger men the same way older men want younger women is, again irrelevant as to whether or not male preferences mean men are chasing a small percentage of women. And in fact supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:17 PM
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An old ass man in denial, I see. Less than a decade until the quality of your sperm drastically drops off. Tick tock.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:11 PM
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People feeling like something works doesn't have to be predicated on actual success, just the illusion or promise of success. We see this constantly with fad diets throughout the years. This is particularly true if the thing in question is an ideology that offers an explanation of the world that validates how the adherents feel, as this offers additional "benefits" that have fuck all to do with the actual success of the underlying belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:20 PM
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So most modern women you know are supporting their husbands and children - suggesting they earn more - yet you say they wouldn't be comfortable marrying someone who earns less than them. Did they all just have bad luck that their husbands lost their jobs or started working less hours after marriage? It doesn't line up. Edit: if the financial support they're providing is supplemental and their husbands still earn more, seems like being hypergamous didn't do much to insulate them from this type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:14 PM
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I'm confused, OP, because in another comment you say: Most modern working women I know are working full time jobs to support their husbands with the ever increasing cost of living, while juggling domestic work and having/raising children. Which appears to be in direct contradiction to what you're saying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:04 PM
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Do all couples with children that you know have a man who earns more? Because I certainly know couples where he doesn't and they're doing fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:08 PM
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I mean, it is. It's the act of marrying someone with higher social status or wealth. But particularly with women earning more, they don't need to marry up in order to help secure a more stable position for children they want to have. They can potentially even marry down and still have a partner that can pick up the slack if need be. But of course in pilled spaces, it's taken as something innate to female nature, and anything and everything pretty much can be hypergamous. I agree I'm not convince…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:07 PM
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It does, but generally speaking it does not necessitate hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:57 PM
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Wanting a man with sufficient income or potential to pick up the slack if necessary does not necessitate that he earn more than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:53 PM
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This sums up why Gen z men are fucked. Anyone who views a mutually enjoyable activity for two people who are attracted to each other as requiring submission or boundary pushing - just gross. Couldn't imagine a bigger ick. Neither are required for escalation. Flirting is not boundary pushing, depending on the context and social cues. Ya'll just really seem to have no concept of of how to do these things consensually, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:20 AM
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As a woman who doesn't like porn, I'm not "creeped" or "weirded" out by it, I consider it akin to cheating. Complicated by the ethical issues associated with porn that men seem usually happy to overlook to bust a nut. The extremely high rate of porn usage discouraged me from wanting to commit to a man, but disengagement is not a gender war.... ...not to mention I'm a minority in how intolerant I am of porn use.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:08 PM
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In this example, what the fuck do you think them leaning in is? By pathologizing innocent interactions and putting them on the same level with shit that does violate boundaries and is disrespectful, you do both men and women a massive disservice. But it does make it easier for men to not learn body language, not learn nuance, and just do whatever he fuck they want because they'll argue it's "disrespectful" no matter what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:01 AM
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Only at the extremes. Most men who struggle aren't ugly enough that it's hopeless. It's just a way to avoid accountability and externalize blame to the outside (here, women and their "ridiculous" standards)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:53 PM
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Maybe, but I never said they did. Why immediately defensive? I was contrasting two examples that were clear enough that hopefully a toddler could see that one is respectful and consensual while the other is clearly not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:34 PM
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If you want to convince yourself that all escalation is boundary pushing and that there isn't a difference between kissing a woman a guy has been dating who leans in when he does, compared to say kissing a random woman on the street who is actively trying to get away, you have zero fucking business giving anyone advice because you're only going to make things significantly worse for all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:37 PM
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Have yet to provide advice and have no desire to, but thanks for also showing that some women are piss poor at communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:24 PM
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I'm debating. Why the fuck should I be giving advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:40 PM
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I'm debating. Why the fuck should I be giving advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:40 PM
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Did I say they were supposed to know or that knowing was a prerequisite to treating someone respectfully? I'm pretty sure I noted I prefer someone to ask, but that kissing someone without asking is not always disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:33 PM
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No, I'm not gaslighting. Ya'll have your heads so far up your ass to always jump to that. Body language is real communication, context and relationship matters, and you can touch and kiss someone without being disrespectful. So no, it's not always disrespectful to kiss someone without asking, although I personally prefer it if someone asks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:57 PM
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The fact that you think kissing someone is inherently disrespectful and can't be done respectfully says something.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:16 PM
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Unlikely, as many of the men here would rather blame their lack of success on factors they can't change than ones they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:40 PM
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Either way, the current path is leading toward major disruption. Good. Burn this shit down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:30 PM
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Yes, high N men give me the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:59 AM
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I’ve not seen a single indicator that most men like women for anything unrelated to sex. Even the most uncharitable take of male nature generally assumes men also like women for their domestic labor. But I'd also say many men value women for their companionship, platonic or romantic, which generally involves liking other aspects of their person.* I'd say it's more accurate that men tend to prioritize sex above all else and can resort to very shitty tactics to get sex. While I'd say that's someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:00 AM
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Could you get anymore anal? What are you, the fucking tone police?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:07 PM
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How convenient. "Men and women are different whenever men want to use these "differences" to dodge accountability."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:50 AM
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And yet, at all ages, they cheat at a similar rate or more than women. Imagine what they would do with more options lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:51 PM
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Leaving isn't coercion. But beware the partner who constantly threatens to leave over every little disagreement or issue. They're emotionally manipulative and coercive, and you'll do yourself a favor by leaving them. Unless you just enjoy putting up with constant bullshit and making yourself miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:00 AM
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The comparison to an abusive husband is a complete emotional derailment No, it's an accurate analogy of what you're doing. It's not particularly my fault you don't want to see your reflection. Pointing out this material blind spot isn't an abuse tactic, instead it is just stating a logistical fact that mainstream discourse ignores, which is the whole point of my post. And tell me, what is your motivation for doing so?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:30 PM
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Again, I really don't know what you are trying to accomplish with this rhetoric. The fact of the matter is humans are social creatures that have been heavily dependent on social structures for survival since the dawn of time. But turning this into a gendered ("just imagine how you would be raped and killed without the "good" men") is like a macro version of the abusive husband who tells his wife she would never make it without him. The implied coercion will never garner respect, appreciation, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:48 AM
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This conclusion doesn't necessarily follow. Maybe there are some women who will have casual sex without expectations of safety etc., but that doesn't mean that's not a factor limiting other women from participating. So, if safety was guaranteed, you might get more regular participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:36 AM
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Thank you for showing you're 1) a bad faith actor; or 2) incapable of basic reasoning. Using a different example, women should be able to exercise their autonomy. But if a woman conspires to get all women to suddenly stop working in healthcare - part of our societal infrastructure that relies largely on women for work on the ground - in order to kill multiple men depending on these services, that's sociopathic. If you can't or won't see that because you want to pretend you're not advocating for …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:39 PM
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If you don't want to participate, feel free to walk away. I have no desire to force men to do shit. As I said, please do walk away. But if your aim is to cause something worse than gilead, as opposed to just exercising your own autonomy, that is straight up fucking sociopathic and shows your ultimate strategy is to subjugate women and kill the rest. Frame it however you want to help yourself sleep better at night. But you're not better than people calling for a violent dickpocalypse if your aim …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:15 PM
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Great. Then do it. And when women don't all die because we are not helpless children please make sure to stay away. Men or women withdrawing from society suddenly would cause death, but many remaining people would find a way to survive. But I recognize that you're, like many men on this sub, probably too misogynistic to believe that women are actually people who can figure things out and survive so... Edit: also just to point out how fucking disturbed your train of thought is and how it highligh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:37 PM
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Then you're having a separate conversation from the one I'm having. I am specifically addressing the dystopian world outlined in the OP which is one where there is no more disagreement about civilized society but rather no civilized society and women specifically are violently suppressed by men and treated as currency.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:37 PM
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Lmao where the fuck did you pull this from in the context of the post? It's the one contemplated in the OP in which men violently suppress women any time they say something men don't want. Edit: see from the OP: Without this male-supported safety net, society would instantly collapse into historical barbarism where women might as well be treated as currency or property.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:03 PM
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The one contemplated in the OP in which men violently suppress women any time they say something men don't want. Edit: see from the OP: Without this male-supported safety net, society would instantly collapse into historical barbarism where women might as well be treated as currency or property.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:02 PM
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Every western "misandrist" can only safely be one thanks to the infrastructural support of a vast network of men. I was responding to your title which you just repeated. If women were violently retaliated against by men any time they endorsed anti-male rhetoric, I'm just arguing you'd multiply misandrists tenfold, and they could safely be so by staying quiet and sticking to underhanded methods. Therefore, your conclusion is wrong. The entire rhetoric of this post honestly is one bound to increas…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:01 PM
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No, a woman could safely be one in a dystopian society where men have relegated women to absolute second class citizens. Maybe not openly, but odds are, particularly if said women had come from a society in which they knew freedom, significantly more women would now despise men. Your ability to abuse your strength gained purely through an accident of birth does not grant you the power to control how other people think or feel, or what they say behind closed doors.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:43 AM
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Respectfully, if someone views porn use as a sort of violation of fidelity, inevitable relapses in and of themselves suggest that the more fulfilling option just may be to never commit to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:13 AM
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It's not really your business. A lot of women on here don't even think they have to be honest about their sexual history with other men. First of all, history is not the same as what someone does in a relationship, He made no promises to me before the relationship. Second of all, I'm not one of those women that argues the past doesn't matter. It does. But pray do tell me why it's not my business in a monogamous relationship whether he will continue to use other women's bodies for sexual gratific…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:30 AM
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Correct. But I'm entitled to leave someone over his masturbation habits, and he's not entitled to decide what reason is important enough for me to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:09 AM
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He doesn't get to decide what is an issue or non issue for someone else, so while you're correct he'll likely lie, it's fucked up and entitled to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:52 PM
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Critical thinking and this post don't belong in the same sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:58 PM
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If it were about genitalia only, then women would not discriminate against feminine men, and men wouldn’t discriminate against masculine women. Do you really think that pretty men have significant trouble getting women? A large part of why many women don't like "feminine" men has a lot to do with his behavior, mannerisms, etc, and less to do with how he looks. But of course what constitutes a "feminine" man in these spaces is often a moving target. And as a woman who appreciates very feminine me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:53 PM
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isn't just fairer – it's a recipe for social peace. And yet: this logic feels obvious to most men, but absurd to most women. Why? Because women don’t experience sex as a scarce resource to compete for. They experience it as something to choose carefully. So when men talk about “equalizing outcomes,” it sounds to women like entitlement or coercion. That gap in lived experience is why the same argument that clicks for us sounds crazy to them. The only way to "equalize outcomes" is to turn women's …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:02 PM
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He's not being remotely respectful. He has earned no respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:02 AM
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First guy is definitely not average. I agree he's prob like a 7 (generally speaking - not really my cup of tea).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:03 PM
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Nah, average guy in the street is cuter than this guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 10:54 PM
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I'd say second guy is below average but first is above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:25 PM
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How do you "know it's true"? How can you be sure that disagreement is not just genuine disagreement? How are you sure your knowledge isn't flawed? Does it even have a basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:10 PM
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Entirely asinine and borderline megalomaniac to believe you "know" the truth about a different group of people with entirely different experiences from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:03 PM
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If "bluepillers" basically all agree that there are no valid criticisms of leftist gender ideology False premise, so the conclusion doesn't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:47 AM
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Valid choice. Relationships are a lot of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:35 AM
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You guys can also support yourselves without expecting anything of men, then as well, but you won't. I not only support myself without any help from a man but have taken over a large portion of my parents' expenses due to their health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:55 PM
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Your anecdotal observations vary from mine. Certainly on this sub and in other manosphere spaces, the people that paint men in the worst light are men. Even though they're competing with a number of female misandrists on this sub. The entire red pill ideology is pretty fucking misandrist in addition to being misogynistic. Moreover, men still control the institutions that enforce systemic prejudice against men. Men dominate in government but haven't gotten rid of the draft. Men control the courts…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:03 PM
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You aren't going to be out fighting boars with spears these days, so what are you going to specialize in? And why can't men specialize in cooking? You can learn recipes from books. And other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:40 PM
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and female to male transgenders have higher rates of detransitioning What are you basing this on? I don't have indepth knowledge of the topic but a preliminary search strongly suggests the opposite. For example: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8213007/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:15 PM
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Nope that's twisting the logic. I can absolutely be a misandrist. I never said otherwise. But I have no idea why OC came out boiling about "accountability" because I'm arguing men assist in causing prejudice towards men. It's a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:46 PM
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This whole post reads as a strawman, because I don't see blue pill - which is no set ideology and just means not red pill - identifying people arguing that women like bisexual or feminine men as much as straight or more traditionally masculine men. I personally, though, do think that what constitutes a "feminine man" in these spaces is a moving target, and that many women do like their men to have a mix of traditionally feminine and masculine traits more than the manosphere would have you think.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:42 AM
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It's a hot take to expect straight women to be interested in bisexual men. As a straight woman who has no issue with bi men, I never understand this line of reasoning. They're men. I'm a heterosexual woman which means I'm attracted to men. It always seems like 1+1=2. Heterosexuality is not only being attracted to people who have the same sexuality as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:12 AM
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What's an example of what you're talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:01 AM
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I don't really know enough about either situation to have an informed opinion. But a couple of notes. How much do you think your belief that women will defend other women is affecting what data you notice? For example, wasn't half of Kouri Ritchins's jury female? The didn't defend her. They convicted her ass. I'm also really not sure that rooting for your gender in a situation like this has much to do with accountability. I mean, if a man is accused of sexual assault, men will come out in droves…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:50 AM
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You're not. You can individually be a misogynist, or you can choose to fight against it, but alone, you have jack shit control over misogyny at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:59 AM
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Well first of all, I meant misandry as "hatred of men". Then you're not talking about misandry. The definitions of both misandry and misogyny have included more than hatred - including ingrained prejudice - for I believe close to 30 years at this point. And this appeared to have been recognized in your original comment, as viewing a group as having a problems isn't hatred. Or perhaps you were pulling the typical manosphere card of trying narrow the definition of misogyny in that comment. But als…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:49 AM
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I am curious though, do you have any evidence that suggest misandry primarily comes from men? Some of its anecdotal, which of course comes with significant inherit limitations. For example, that the most anti male things I heard as a little girl were from my dad, not my mom. That accusations of misandry are levied as a way to shut down criticism of misogyny by men who do not seem to really care about the impact misandry has on men and will turn around and endorse misandrist viewpoints. But also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:08 AM
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unable to take accountability For what? Edit: are you insinuating that I am powerful enough to be the cause of misandry? Why thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:53 AM
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I never said men don't believe or act prejudice towards other men. I simply said they don't like the idea that they have problems as a group. They're not contradictory, nor mutually exclusive. You said they don't like it and that's misandry. Yes, people are irrational enough to both not like something and get upset if someone else points it out while simultaneously acknowledging or reinforcing those viewpoints instead. But the mirror you're trying to make doesn't work if misogyny is primarily co…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:36 AM
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Men don’t like the idea that they have serious problems as a group. Dude, this is just not true. Men are some of the biggest promoters of prejudice towards their own group. Men don't trust other men and this is seen most blatantly in how male relatives often don't trust men around their sister/daughter etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:03 PM
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Seems like a solvable problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:27 AM
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Didn't downvote you either. You do realize that more people read than comment on every post right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:13 PM
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You constantly claim these things but I've never seen it. Have any links?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:56 PM
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Tbh I also find it weird that a number of straight women are turned on by lesbian porn. But my guy you are obsessed. It ain't healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:13 PM
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Correct. If I'm to the point of marrying someone, no sex alone is not sufficient to end the relationship. Let's say they develop a disorder that kills their libido. Sucks, but I'm not going to end things with them over it. But I'm very sexually possessive, so if he still wants to have sex but just not with me, then at that point that's not just lack of sex. No sex combined with other factors - such as infidelity - offer grounds for ending it. No sex combined with other non-sexual factors too (sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:25 PM
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Emphasis on the "snide." Just because someone doesn't prioritize sex at the cost of everything else doesn't mean they're broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:34 PM
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Maybe you're dealing with diminished arousal from overmasturbation too and a reboot could help you get your libido bac And straight to the snide insults and insinuations when you know nothing about someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:32 PM
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Again with the "all men." I never said anything about all men. Why are ya'll incapable of actually engaging with the arguments I make rather than attacking a strawman?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:30 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:28 PM
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My comment never said that men here are representative of all men. I used them as an example and asked how many could give what OC indicated was the purpose of a romantic relationship. It is worth noting however that the veil of anonymity may lend itself to people being more honest than they would otherwise be, so just because you don't see many men talking like this outside of online spaces doesn't necessarily mean they're a tiny, unheard of minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:02 PM
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all people of a certain group are a certain way, you're just automatically off base. Already jumping to the fucking strawman. I never said all of the group is like this. I asked you how many are capable of offering what you state and said many here weren't. Go outside This is such a tired fucking excuse for the behavior of men on the Internet. Are they going to be more honest when I'm interacting with them in the real world or when they're under a veil of anonymity? But I have been outside. A lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:59 PM
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I mean it depends Oh you're right. Look at all the women lining up to be only valued for their pussies? There are tons of them waiting to build a "special" connection with men who view them as a sex doll only and don't care that much about anything else with them! You're off base in your analysis. I think most men like most women just want to find that special person. I'd say you're off base on your analysis, as I don't really see this. How do we figure out who is right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:47 PM
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a special connection with someone else who you could literally never grow tired of spending time with But how many men actually offer this? Certainly not many of the men on this sub, as they're constantly bemoaning how they don't really care about anything except feeling like a sex god to women and wax eloquent about how superior they are for not having standards. About how boring women are and only have their pussies to offer. Does that sound like a special connection to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:43 PM
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No it's not. I provided the definition of arrogance which is entirely different from what you're just claiming out of the air. This is the no true scottsman of confidence. You've turned it into a moving target.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:20 PM
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I'm not talking about arrogance. I noted the definition above. I'm talking about confidence. People who are very confident are more likely to end up confidently incorrect, even without being arrogant. This is just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:16 PM
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No, I disagree that the definition of confidence means it's always positive or that if you're confidently incorrect that must mean you're arrogant. Edit: note, pulling from Miriam webster, this is the definition of arrogance: an offensive attitude of superiority shown especially by excessively confident or rudely dismissive behavior You don't need to exhibit this to have misplaced confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:11 PM
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I don't think being confidently incorrect necessarily entails arrogance. There seems to be an assumption that confidence is always good and if there's anything negative about it, then it's not actually confidence but something else. I disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:04 PM
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Meh, confidence is overrated. Men already have a massive problem with being confidently incorrect/confident about things they don't actually know shit about. Male humility is vastly underrated. Yes, I know this is only tangentially related. That's why I'm under automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:55 PM
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I have no desire to be in a relationship with someone without emotional reciprocity. I also have no desire to control other people. It's not my problem if you can't see the clear difference there. Choosing not to engage with someone because a relationship with them is not enjoyable is not the same as telling them they must do X. All I'm arguing is that even accepting your premises, your conclusion is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:00 AM
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Bruh you're not even remotely getting the point. But honestly thanks for providing support for my argument repeatedly in your answers lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:32 PM
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decentering women without making it sound sexist women would be much for it This is what trp was False. Sorry, can't "gaslight" those of us who have been here the whole time in your attempts to whitewash OG TRP. It has been deeply sexist from the start, with its emphasis on women allegedly being AWALT--that is, monkey branching, hypergamous whores who are incapable of more than opportunistic love and are the biggest teenager in the house. Defining those beliefs as anything other than sexist defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:19 PM
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Blue pill is not a competing ideology*, it just means you don't believe in red pill voodoo. Reality concerns many variables and factors. It's erroneous to assume that because you did X and got Y result, X must be why you got Y result. Maybe X got you the results, but subjective observation about anecdotal accounts offers limited evidence, as you won't be able to really tell how much of a role X is playing compared to other factors. Much less as to whether X will get people Y on a broader scale a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:58 PM
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And that affects the unfalsifiability of the red pill how? That only increases the unfalsifiability issues, which are repeatedly seen in red pill discourse. Yeah X approach didn't work but there are other approaches. If none of them work, the issue is you, not the red pill. And of course for the people it does work for, they're taken as "proof" of the red pill while other factors or possibilities are ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:21 PM
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Yes, the logical conclusion, following the line of reasoning above, is to be a life long virgin as having sex with any man is degrading or bad. Not to save yourself for any man. Edit: or, have sex with women but not men. That's another option, for women who are attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:24 PM
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Blue pill is not a competing ideology. Blue pill is anything that is not red pill. It just means you haven't drank the red pill koolaid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:12 PM
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If you believe so, how do you know it was the red pill and not just a coincidence? They don't. But, the cult that it is, the red pill is unfalsifiable. If someone is successful with it, it was because of the red pill. If someone wasn't, it was because they didn't red pill right. Thus, if you join the cult, you are met with a certain degree of safety that what you now believe is true no matter what happens with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:06 PM
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So, then, accepting your argument as true, which I don't: There's nothing in principle that creates a zero sum game where men getting what they need means women can't get what they need, or vice versa. This is incorrect. The man can never give the woman, whose goal is to be valued for who she is and build a life with someone with emotional reciprocity, what she wants. Thus, being in a relationship with a man for such a woman brings no value.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:16 PM
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Note that these two things are not mutually exclusive. A man can both really like being around a woman and want to be with her for a long time while simultaneously that woman can really prefer that man's dick in particular over and beyond all others. There's nothing in principle that creates a zero sum game where men getting what they need means women can't get what they need, or vice versa. Even if I accept this highly transactional premise, which I don’t, it actually defeats its own point. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:00 AM
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What passes as clear cut manipulation requires both intent and calculation. Happen to have an argument for this goal post move? Why does it require both to "pass" as "clear cut"? Why is behavior that only "passes" as "clear cut" manipulation worthy of condemnation? But I guess it makes sense to muddle the concepts here too. Activist speech always does that by routine, and it's colored off strongly on dating discourse. The irony of this statement given your whole argument hinges on muddying water…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:30 PM
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OP, you seem to think that manipulation must be planned, 100% intentional, and calculated, and that people never make up ad hoc excuses after the fact to make themselves feel better about how they acted. Neither of these two things are the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:49 PM
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Say sex bots become a thing and a woman has sex with 100 realistic male-looking sex bots but has never even touched a real penis--what is her N count?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:32 AM
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The logical conclusion is to therefore have sex with no men. No exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:48 PM
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And I'm entitled to continue to judge the fuck out of men for their preferences!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:28 PM
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No point in debating, because most users are man-hating feminists. They even make up shit to justify their hate. The (significant) majority of people here are men: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1gbz24w/ppd_survey_results/ So are most of the users here struggling with internalized misandry? This sort of comment is a fantastic microcosm of the manosphere's victim complex that is not based in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:01 AM
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Some of them. A number of them are also definitely taking the AWALT line ("it's impossible to avoid them (unless you avoid women) because that's how women are").
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:26 PM
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Many men tolerate shitty women because they're bigoted enough to think AWALT and that tolerating this is a necessary evil in order to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:53 AM
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Extremely slowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:51 AM
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I don't really want to show off my body to get attention from men. I personally want to be able to just exist without my body being sexualized. But part of the reason this is the case is because my brain has categorized male attention as inherently degrading. This comes from decades of being in male-dominated spaces and hearing about how (many) men talk about women and female bodies. By subconscious decided I didn't want to be on the receiving end of that attention. However, I believe my opinion…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:08 AM
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I mean, most of those aren't denying that looks matter. They're denying that they're dispositive or that men have a much harder time getting partners. Those are the real points of contention. But also.... If you're trying to make a point about "society," poly people are an odd minority. Not "society."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:49 PM
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I prefer men thin, pretty, and gentle/easy going. I prefer big hands, deep voices, and no facial hair. Bonus points for things like long hair, makeup, and painted nails.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:27 AM
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Except for a large plurality of the US population.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:23 PM
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I have to give it to the far right - their misinformation works. They've successfully created a narrative that endorses a false dichotomy where men are stuck between the red pill and some straw man narrative about what main stream society says. what alternate structure can we recommend for men Literally anything else. TRP is a praxeology* that relies on a very misogynistic and specific narrative about how society and women (AWALT) work. So again, literally anything else. I don't see it as health…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:17 PM
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I'd also say that normalizing a deeply misogynistic belief system and putting on the same level as other groups that don't endorse the same level of offensive beliefs at their core isn't doing anything good. If you haven't, go to TRP main subreddit and read the sidebar. Read the top posts. Read more about AWALT, how women love, and strategies recommended for red pill men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:48 PM
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But there really truly are people both men and women out there who feel enriched and sexier, more whole, by expressing their love and loyalty through traditional gender roles. And it's not kind or accurate to just indiscriminately call them all manipulative assholes that hate women. It's also not accurate to conflate all groups that want traditional gender roles (such as tradcons) with the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:24 PM
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Their existence doesn't really surprise me, coming from a conservative, religious background where many women displayed internalized misogyny and belief in male superiority. But the fact that many of them want men despite endorsing TRP of male nature is what's more unique to RPW and extremely fucking bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:44 PM
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Lol OP is trying to argue that pick mes are loved, but inadvertently shows how invisible they are by not being able to spot one in the wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:21 PM
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So you disagree with the definitions on this sub and are trying to redefine blue pill by what you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:39 PM
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Literally didn't read the rest of definition, jfc. It's "generally" but not necessarily and as I said in my first comment, TBP and TRP: shouldn't be seen as two contrasting ideologies so much as one strategy and set of beliefs about the world and another group that satirizes and disagrees with it. So, again, TBP is just disagreeing with TRP. It requires nothing else. Edit: also, it is main stream ass advice to hit the gym etc. You're strawmanning the fuck out of mainstream advice to make TRP loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:36 PM
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From the jargon basics on this sub: To BPers, "blue pill" is basically disagreeing with TRP, usually with it's stance on women, relationships, and/or science. Generally by agreeing with societies mainstream view of these matters (hence, the blue pill). There's no set philosophy or goal other than disagreeing with RPers, so /r/TheRedPill and /r/TheBluePill shouldn't be seen as two contrasting ideologies so much as one strategy and set of beliefs about the world and another group that satirizes an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:28 PM
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Blue pill is just literally not red pill. It's not a competing ideology. It's the atheist to the specific claims of a theist. It just means you don't believe in TRP. Even by the definitions of this fucking sub. There are varying blue pill beliefs because it's anything that isn't red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:24 PM
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Watch what they do, not what they say. I've been in manosphere spaces for over 10 years and they spend a shit load of their time coming up with why women are to blame for the choices of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:19 PM
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I can outdo you: Manosphere men and accountability. Never seen a group so obsessed with self victimization and lack of accountability for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:11 PM
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Threads like this always show how many men are fucked in the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:10 PM
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Could easily be 60.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:18 PM
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Humans having strong opinions about things they know fuck all about is unfortunately pervasive, and not just in this area.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:24 PM
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If a man subscribes or associates with a group that argues that women are say the biggest teenager in the house or incapable of more than opportunistic love - I frankly don't give a shit how "nice" they act. Their choices either directly or indirectly endorse the dehumanization of 50% of population and that's sufficient to not want to have anything to do with them. TRP is a hate group cloaked in white. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:49 AM
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And I quite dislike the way male sexuality works. But alas...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:22 AM
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This really doesn't support that it's ok for men to sleep around if they're going around tainting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:17 AM
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One post is shit evidence and doesn't even really address what you're arguing for. You just want to justify being a slut (if given the opportunity) while not wanting a woman who is like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:20 AM
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One woman's post from 11 years ago justifies a ridiculous double standard? Plus her SO obviously didn't reach the threshold of "good enough" which is different from "best."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:16 AM
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The demand for women not to engage in the same slutty behavior they do is the opposite of being fine with "good enough." And if women are picky, why would they want to be some man's "good enough?"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:04 AM
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Why is it reasonable for men to expect to be their wife's best when they'd gladly slut it up, thus ensuring their wife won't be their best, if/when given the opportunity?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:39 AM
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I need to work on my resting bitch face because men and women both seem to find me approachable and will try to talk to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:29 PM
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Sex and status among other men. They don't think women can be on their level because they're egomaniacs who are too preoccupied with their hallucinated magnificence to see how boring they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:06 PM
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Yes men face problems. On an individual level, men and women can face a lot of similar problems in their daily lives. On a more broad group level, men need more grace to depart from male gender norms if they so desire (but will this ever be possible as long as anything feminine is viewed as lesser?), greater bodily autonomy (no draft), and more equitable outcomes in the criminal justice system. I think you can recognize these as problems that need solutions without always devolving into the oppr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:30 PM
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Being ignored is better. I much prefer it to attention that is dangerous and means jack shit because the person giving it would gladly give it to about anyone with a set of tits. Attention that ignores who you are as a person and often reduces you to an object. You're also blinded by your own privilege. I quite dislike being stuck with a female body because of how it's sexualized and objectified by society. Knowing any male partner I have will have the "tool" part of his brain light up. Give me …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:28 AM
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This is your privilege talking Right back at yah. You're so blinded by your privilege of being treated consistently like a full human being you really can't understand how negative the other side of the coin is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:15 AM
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I'd argue that what you choose to do and how you use your agency has far more to do with who you are as a person compared to looks that you were born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:50 AM
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I’d stop watching porn if I was in a relationship. Easy to say, but if you have a deeply entrenched habit, possibly much harder to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:07 PM
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I want a monogamous relationship. Getting off to multiple other naked women is not my idea of monogamy. no women who make under $60k/yr I think that's reasonable, personally. Nor does it necessarily indicate that he thinks women making under that amount are all gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:41 PM
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A BMI above 30 is not only unusual among people within my age range, but harmful to the woman’s health. I would also argue that my no porn standard is reasonable because it's entirely within a man's control and men lived without porn for much, much longer than they've had it. Yet, most men watch porn and will often throw fits at their digital harem being questioned. Similarly, regarding weight standards, the likelihood of obtaining someone who isn't fat depends somewhat on where you are. In the …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:40 PM
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Again, you try to move the goal posts to fight an easier foe. Kindly engage with what OC and OP said, which clearly place higher value casual sex. If I need to remind you The majority of women can’t make men feel as desired as women who engage in casual sex with them. Just like the men who will bitch and moan about how much they want casual sex and how they'll lie to get it. etc. If a man views relationships in this way, he should stick to casual sex and leave women who want relationships alone,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:12 AM
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OC stated: Anyone with one eye and two working brain cells can understand that it is much more difficult and rarer for a man to get casual sex. Any ape could get a committed relationship at some point in his life. If someone views a relationship as something any ape can get while casual sex as some hard impressive thing, it's clear which one they value more. And that's fine. Just so long as they go casual sex or bust and don't fall back on a relationship to get sex while secretly wishing they co…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:49 AM
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Valuing casual sex to this point implies a lower value for relationships. And I wish men who felt this way wouldn't then try to get some poor woman into a relationship that he will always view as less valuable than a woman who would be down for a quick fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:54 AM
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Similarly, given many men will shit on relationships as not being worth much, I'd argue that: The majority of men can’t make women feel as desired as men who only want relationships with them. Now this is a simplification that isn't going to be true for all women, certainly. But so many of ya'll demand gold while offering coal in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:16 AM
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My advice is to change nothing and bitch on the internet. It must be good advice, given how many men follow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:19 PM
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Blue pill just means not red pill. It includes a massive amount of different ideas and view points. It in no way is some organized group that thinks that men who don't meet dominant cultural norms deserve to be selected out of the gene pool. That is an absolutely insane strawman. On the other hand, red pill is a much more cohesive group that does have underlying ideology that, for example, women are incapable of more than opportunistic love and the biggest child in the house, etc. Regardless whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:36 PM
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I'm comparing one hate group to another. Red pill ideology is what is hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:14 PM
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the holy thing to do Perhaps if men would stop being whores, they'd have a leg to stand on. But, almost zero can follow the holy directive of the Lord (Matthew 5:28): But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Thus, men do just keep being whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:21 PM
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Would you ever be friends with a man who fell into this category? Sure. Would you ever date someone who maybe subscribed to these beliefs before but has genuinely changed? This one's a harder, in part because from the outside, it's hard to tell who has genuinely changed. If it was a thing when he was very young, maybe. If he was a rampant misogynist as a grown ass adult, very unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:46 PM
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Oh no, I'm an old hag past my peak. Guess it's time for my witch era.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:19 AM
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Besides, didn't the things you're saying come from later influencers? No, this is OG red pill. The whitewashing of the red pill is the later development. Don't forget the left-wing part, which shows that I care about human rights and equality. If you think being a leftist necessitates these beliefs, I've got a bridge to sell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:47 AM
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"I'm not a nazi because I believe in the anti jew stuff, for me it's just because I'm about the good stuff that is apart of nazism." I possibly risk getting my comment removed for race-baiting, but hopefully it illustrated my viewpoint on your response adequately enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:10 AM
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I'm all about expanding compassion, not limiting it. Yet, you identify with a group (red-purple) that believes AWALT and that women only love opportunistically and and are the biggest child in the house. So, personally, I don't buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:47 AM
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Sykkuno is a piece of shit and his girlfriend is pathetic as fuck, but it's hard to say if her hurt is performative, or if she's just humiliated that the drama came out. I'm not sure why you'd assume she loves him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:52 PM
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I don't like asking other people for help for much, but I'm somewhat lazy and about as flexible as a board so that's something I might ask for help with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:53 PM
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I will admit living alone is inferior in one aspect. There is no one to assist with zippers. On the plus side, this may enable me to start a side hustle as a contortionist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:35 PM
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Go play video games instead. What do you expect me to do while I'm in queue?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:16 PM
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I wish more men wore makeup and had long hair. With the constant push for men to be more "masculine" - from both many men and women and conservative groups - I recognize I'm unlikely to see this born out in reality. Sad day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:11 PM
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Because I'm a villain, possibly a malevolent Russian bot, trying to convince more men and women to remain single to cause economic destruction and utter devastation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:00 PM
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The IRR of 0.55 already reflects population-level agreement. Squaring it (approx 30%) correctly measures shared consensus, so 1 − r = 0.45 is a misinterpretation. Averaging across the population doesn’t change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:18 PM
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You are confusing correlation with variance explained (r2). In statistics, the shared consensus is the square of the correlation. With an IRR of 0.55, the shared agreement is 0.552, or approx 0.30/30%. The remaining 70% consists of unique individual taste and measurement error. Even if you attribute a portion of that to noise, the unique preference remains dominant. On the other hand, even with a high consensus of 0.70 about who is unattractive, the shared variance is only 49%.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:37 PM
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I mean, if you take OC's claim very literally, sure, it’s not true that everyone is attracted to completely different things. There is moderate consensus in attractiveness ratings. However, an IRR of 0.55 means that roughly 70% of the variation in women’s ratings is unique to the individual, not shared. So while it’s true that many people agree on who is generally attractive, the majority of preference is still personal. Framing this as ‘women mostly like Chad, but some with glasses, some with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:32 PM
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There is no deception possible in the first place unless you are looking to trade resources for sex. Two people find each other attractive. They have sex. Everyone wins. Not even remotely correct. It's deception about intentions. Your subjective experience of sex is not the only way to experience it. Just like a man may legitimately enjoy giving gifts to a woman who loves him (or indeed, people in general can enjoy giving gifts to loved ones), that joy can turn to bitterness or resentment if he …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:24 AM
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Sex can (and should) be enjoyable for both parties. But it won't be if it's "extracted" through deception, which is a one way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:00 AM
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Literally this is one of the most bad faith mischaracterizations I've seen on this sub. And that's saying something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:50 PM
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So "secretly gay." So if a woman experiences zero subjective feelings of attraction to women, but can be turned off by a man with gross attitudes even though she's attracted to men...she's gay. I'll keep that in mind. Definitions do be moving.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:00 PM
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So unless a woman is attracted only to physical attributes that can never be affected by anything the man does...she's not hetero, even if she is exclusively attracted to men? What is she? Nominally hetero? Asexual? Secretly gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:54 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:30 AM
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2) lie about it and watch it anyway So in other words, these men are weak ass, pathetic bitches who will lie like a child to avoid putting down their own boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:48 PM
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Good, now debunk what I said with sources. You first. Because I've looked for support for yours and can't find them. Anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:54 PM
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Nope, and people often make posts in response to other posts lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:14 PM
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Nice goal post move as I never said accumulation didnt play any role in any number we are looking at. There's a difference between pulling stuff out of your ass and not citing your sources. I didn't cite my sources, but they are easily google-able. It's so basic and the knowledge is widespread that it's kind of like asking to cite sources for the sky being blue. It's widely accepted that the rate of extramarital sex spikes after a certain age, particularly for men. A spike that did not exist bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:13 PM
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Because people aren't random number generators and their behavior is driven by factors around them. Someone getting inspired randomly to post about younger women being more attractive, when there is another post arguing that this is problematic, is less likely than someone being inspired by the prior post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:32 PM
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Given that his post was posted at the same time as a post arguing that men make long term relationships unsustainable due to their attraction to young women, I disagree. I don't think people like to be determined as unfit for a relationship or the cause of relationship problems regardless of whether shaming is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:04 PM
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So again, the assessment itself is not shaming. You can also shame while assessing, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:44 PM
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That's speculative at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:25 PM
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Again, this is pulled out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:10 PM
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No, it's not just cumulative. You're literally pulling this out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:09 PM
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Men's likelihood of cheating has a much sharper incline as they age comparatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:16 AM
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Assessing someone's viability as a long-term mate based upon how their attraction works isn't shaming them. It's dealing with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:03 AM
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Options for fucking. If OP's conclusion is correct, then those options for fucking aren't realistic options for long term relationships. So, again, the fact that women have options for fucking is irrelevant to the OP's arguments I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:47 AM
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so what? deal with. I did. By choosing *not to pair up with a man long term. So are you conceding that your argument that women's romantic lives are never affected by men's preference for youth is false? Because, again, the rest of your comment is just saying women deserve it or arguing men have it worse. It's irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:09 AM
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They're paying again, for attention from young women. Which seeing how most women treat and talk about and to their husbands I can at least sympathize. So you're saying anecdotal city offers a better explanation for the data than multiple studies showing men lust after young women no matter their own age? Why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:04 AM
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They're paying for attention from young women. They're delusional if they think the onlyfans girls give a shit about them. But thanks for reminding me of additional evidence. The overwhelming majority of men using only fans for attention from* young women are married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:00 AM
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Literally men liking younger women has not affected the sexual, dating, romantic lives of woman at any age. Men past a certain age are significantly more likely to cheat than younger men. Which is certainly consistent with men struggling to remain monogamous to their aging wives. Not to mention, the many older women who have been left my their partner for a younger woman. It's a cliche for a reason. Men being most attracted to younger women absolutely affects women's romantic lives. Edit: the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:45 AM
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Preach.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:20 AM
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Overall, 95.1% reported having recently used at least one of the strategies to get a woman to have sex who they knew did not want sex and had not consented. I don't understand why more of you don't join me in cat lady land. It's so much more peaceful here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:10 AM
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Then they're making a choice and I'm going to roll my eyes at their bitching.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:40 PM
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is asymmetrical and only leads to resent. If you have a much lower workload than your partner and still expect them to do most of the chores, that will also likely lead to resentment even if it seems fairer to you if you're earning more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:05 PM
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Black bears would most likely run from you. I have run into them. They're scaredy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:28 PM
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I will tell a woman that if she treats men like shit she can't complain about misogynists and that how he feels after she has treated him like shit is 100% on her. That doesn't "justify" him treating other women poorly, but she has forfeited her right to complain and deserves the negative views towards her. Same as a man who treats women like shit. He cant complain about misandrists and deserves all the weight of that negativity. Karma, and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:21 PM
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That is straight delulu.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:12 PM
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You really don't think there are people who hate or have ingrained prejudice towards men? We on the same planet? That's a misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:43 PM
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Oh I assure you they do. And they're growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:41 PM
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Nah, misandry doesn't come out of nothing. Its actions like what you're going that cause it. Edit: and mind you, if you treat someone like shit and they have feelings about it, it's 100% on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:09 PM
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And more misandrists are born. Just don't bitch about women who think men are trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:14 PM
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Like come on ya'll, it takes minimal effort. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:45 AM
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Click on the link.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:29 AM
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Yeah, I believe that's the latest one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:58 PM
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This is male dominated sub by a fairly large amount, according to the last survey. Edit: note this is in response to: However it only appears one gender's opinions are supported. Because whilst this sub loves to blame women for all the evils of the world, if men aren't supported in this sub, the call has to be coming from inside the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:59 PM
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I didn't say you didn't. I said this is what it looks like for someone not to. Reading comprehension is important. Could you technically view women as individual humans and act like this? Probably so, I cannot speak to your internal workings but your behavior doesn't really indicate so. From going to bat for OP's honor and accusing women of misquoting him even though you could see his comment was edited after it was posted. To mocking some random woman who disagrees with you on whether OP made a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:15 PM
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Holy batman of assumptions. Out here demonstrating what it looks like not to view women as individual humans and instead a malevolent conglomerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:42 PM
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If it were an honest mistake, he should have edited with a note. Instead, he shadow edited after multiple people called him out. So no, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:43 PM
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So they do have intuition super powers. They just have to learn how to use them. Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:56 PM
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Men on this sub: mock alleged female intuition. Also men on this sub: argue women can properly vet a man while knowing fuck all about him. Ain't no way a woman really knows jack shit about a man she has talked to for a few hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:34 AM
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Here yah go. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1sd7olu/comment/oegl753/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Edit: well doesn't seem to be working give me a minute. Edit2: it's working fine. Edit3: ah I see he edited it, and you're going around white knighting for him. How cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:43 AM
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That was a direct quote from one of his comments. It is absolutely not a misquote.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:42 AM
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Well that's the thing I don't think women are human and the nuanced social sense Says Op. Anyone who views you as subhuman in anyway is not worth engaging with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:59 PM
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Why does this seem to be true? Why are some men offended by it and women not so much? This is what I'm wondering. I don't understand why it's so offensive to a number of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:45 AM
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See my comment fleshed out above. So evasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 10:37 PM
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Definitely not a lie. I've seen many men lament about how boring women are, how they're all the same, how they're not on the same level of men etc. etc. The same problems as before when men could not choose to be gay. Such as? Seems like at least they wouldn't have to deal with boring women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 10:36 PM
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But I'm not. I'm basing it largely on what I've heard men say. So what problems would remain if men could choose to be gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 10:22 PM
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Hypotheticals play an important part in pointing out truths even though they themselves may not be true. This is the case for all hypotheticals. Frankly, your aggressive insistence on concrete thinking and refusing to engage with reasoning that you don't like the implications of does speak volumes, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:44 PM
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It's not a false premise. It's considering a hypothetical situation and the logical consequences. And frankly, if a man would be happier dating men if he could become gay, I'm not sure why I would want to date him because he's trapped in his heterosexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:35 PM
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People can't control their sexuality. However, if men could choose to become gay, I'm inclined to agree with OC that many would be happier dating men. It's not just that men would be more likely to approach sex in a way they'd prefer. For many men, the people they actually like, respect, and admire are men. So if they could enjoy fucking them too, that would be another bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:25 PM
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My comments in no way argue that studies are moot. That's a strawman. I'm criticizing OC for th exaggeration and hyperbole. And yes - it applies to all people. Reality is generally more nuanced than a lot of frustrated people want to portray.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:59 PM
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A longer comment with more ass pulled statistics. Again, are you capable of actually supporting your points with data? Of course actual data supports a more nuanced picture, with women more likely to do some of the activities addressed and less likely to do others so that's why you ass pull stats instead. Are you capable of recognizing that men contribute to the own stasis of their gender roles? E.g., proposing to a man can be considered humiliating and emasculating to the men it happens to whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:23 PM
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Another ass pulled statistic. We are in a messy transition period, but the reality is far more nuanced than your bad faith attempts to try to blame women for everything and treat men like unaccountable babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 07:40 PM
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99% of women are not like that. Based upon anything other than how you feel? This stat is highly exaggerated and pulled straight out of the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 07:16 PM
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Sure hun, whatever you say, keep vastly overestimating your value in one off online interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:08 PM
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If there's no demand, production will do nothing to initiate a healthy market. Market demand acts as a vacuum that production will inevitably fill. In the case of the adult industry, the sheer scale of the profit potential creates a 'race to the bottom' where human rights are often bypassed for the sake of meeting that demand at the lowest possible cost. Hence the exploitation, etc., that inevitably follows the intensity of the demand for adult content.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:29 PM
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Triggered lmao. I don't give enough of a shit about some random redditor to want to even try to "manipulate" the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:37 PM
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I'm well aware. But you're going to attract toxic women by being a manipulative shithead. So just don't be surprised about what you end up getting with your strategy. OP reminds me of manosphere men bitching about how all women want is money and then go on websites for sugar babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:58 AM
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Re: cold approaches, I don't like being approached. Literally ever. I've rejected 100% of them. But I'm one woman. I can't imagine why I'd want to force my opinion on other women who disagree. I'm not out here trying to create the hive mind. Re: consumers of explicit content vs women who create it, you've got your wires crossed. The demand creates the market, not the other way around. I do judge women who make it their life's goal to get men off. I can't imagine a more meaningless existence. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 04:52 AM
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If you go out of your way to attract toxic women, just don't bitch about the consequences of sticking your dick in crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:19 AM
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Most of the time, women who care about porn care about their man watching porn. Most women also don't want a man who only wants them for sex. Ergo, women don't care that men who only want them for sex watch porn, although they may be critical of the industry. The bonus with sex bots is they may result in less harm and exploitation of women and girls. Better, imo, than having an underclass of women deemed as unworthy of relationships and "used" to satisfy the unrelenting male sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:20 PM
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What is the debate? Having men who only want sex from women ignore women is pretty much the dream. So seems like a good thing all around for people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:25 PM
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People can have preferences, and OP isn't arguing otherwise. Are your really arguing that preferences are in some ivory tower that can never be questioned or criticized? That can never be based on biases or stereotypes?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:30 PM
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Rebuttals can be just pointing out that OP's reasoning is shit. If I post that I saw Jesus this morning on my morning walk and I post about it arguing Jesus is therefore real, it's enough to point out that my personal observation accounts for shit, there is no need to (and in fact it's impossible) to "prove" that it didn't happen or that Jesus doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:26 PM
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Right. Because the next time I make a post about how X group is inferior based upon my anecdotal experiences the burden of proof is definitely on them to prove my half assed assertions wrong. Rather than just pointing out the fact that I gave shit support for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:17 PM
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*colored by the media you consume. And still not a single original thought in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:14 PM
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The lack of original thought Op says, while regurgitating the same shit manospharians argue for on a daily basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:43 PM
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Yes, but they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:14 PM
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While I don't disagree with all of the points made, posts like this are irritating because they are circle jerk fests. Most of the top comments are agreeing and trying to tie it into their practically sacred belief structure. Incredibly boring. I'd whine about this under automod, but there isn't one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:09 PM
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For those of us who don't have a flair, it's the only place we can comment on ask women posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:19 PM
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No and yes. Pussy grosses me out, and bottom surgery results for trans men are kind of meh, often, for trans men who decide to go through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:08 PM
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Casual sex has zero appeal to me. If I want to have sex with a man, then I'm going to want more than sex. But this was also a major factor underlying why I did not find romantic relationships with men satisfying either. Because men tend to be a lot more indiscriminate with who they'll have sex with, my brain sees sex with men as meaningless. Anyway, I think I'd be better off if my brain was more closely aligned with folks who do have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:42 AM
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yes, I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:45 AM
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Last went on a date now 13 years ago, and I'm happier than when I was trying to make romantic relationships with men work. I'm not sure what you mean by subsequent journey?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:47 PM
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It is extremely disturbing to feel validated by engaging in an activity that you believe devalues or harms the other participant. Like seriously, what the fuck? Edit: tried to edit for clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:21 PM
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So if a woman tries anal and finds she dislikes it, she's treating her future partners like shit for not wanting to do it? Sounds like the only solutions is to just never be willing to try things lmao. Edit: it doesn't have to be "anal" it can be anything (e.g., having sex on the first date) and the conclusion is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:08 PM
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Be sure to spread this truth among your fellow men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:39 AM
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Dudes of PPD never failing to spread misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:01 AM
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I mean, your entire argument hinges on redefining words as they are commonly understood without any basis, from what I can tell. Why should we accept your definitions? You're asserting they're right but giving no basis, and your made up definitions fly in the face of common definitions of these words. For example, the first definition of demand from Miriam webster says it is "an act of demanding or asking especially with authority." So, my most unreasonable and untouchable "standard" is that I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:08 AM
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What most men can do doesn't really tell us what most men would do if they were able to. I also don't know that most men haven't pumped and dumped once or twice, and the reliance on a pattern of behavior is not compelling. Are you sure the pattern of behavior isn't - pump and dump as many women as you can (might be zero, might be one or two) then settle down? And if you genuinely believe PPD men are largely reflective of real life, it might be time to touch grass anyway I don't. But I'm somewhat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:52 PM
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Good lord. I'm literally just listening to men who say they're going to try to, for example, lie to women about relationships to get casual sex. Men who have otherwise not had any luck. I'm saying there are some men in group X who would do Y so they're not two separate groups. Why are you so determined to insist that observing anything negative about men must be dismissed? I'm not making assumptions about their behavior I'm listening to them. Would they act differently from what they're saying i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:44 PM
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As I said, I was never making the case that most men do. I don't know how many men would, but you're not offering any evidence for your assertions. You can claim something is a statistical minority because you feel it is but you need evidence to prove it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:36 PM
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I'm not making any claim about most men. I'm taking issue with the claim that the groups are completely separate. Also, a man can pump and dump a woman or two for funsies and still have a 6-7 N count. It's not always a long pattern of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:59 PM
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Funny that you're expecting human behavior to be logical and assuming if it isn't, then it can't be real. The fuck? Regardless, I said would. So clearly, as I made clear in my first comment, some of the men I'm talking about are men who can't pump and dump but clearly would if they could. We have multiple such men on this forum. We also have men on this forum who have pumped and dumped, at least so they claim, but have still complained about being lonely. You really think being able to pump and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:56 PM
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Some of them, not the majority here A lot of the worst men here are "purple pill." You were defending blaming all men for the misbehaviour of some No I wasn't. I was asking why it was unjust for a subset of men who would pump and dump to get treated like they would even though they haven't had the opportunity. I was taking issue with you saying they are two completely separate groups (men who would pump and dump and men who are lonely) because it's horseshit. There is overlap. Open your eyes. Re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:39 PM
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That’s an assumption. No, it's not. Many men here admit this. #notallmen but certainly many of them. Because it’s based on prejudice It's prejudicial to not meet up with men who would pump and dump you if they had the chance? These men? Only a fraction about men speaking out about loneliness is displaying this rhetoric. How do you know it's only a fraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:24 AM
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These are not the same men. The men who pump and dump are not the same men who are complaining about loneliness. It’s not the fault of the latter that the former does what they do, is it? I mean, given many of them would pump and dump if they could, why is it an injustice for those men that they reap what they would sow? Not to mention, rhetoric from these men that women are only worth pumping and dumping, for example, also absolutely contributes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:17 AM
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No, they don't have to. If they don't like their options, they have the fucking agency to say no and spend time on other things or keep looking. Would ya'll quit infantalizing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:20 AM
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Men now just jump through the hoops. It's painfully obvious men don't expect any ROI anymore. It's all in the way they're acting. This is something men need to stop doing. Like why do you all constantly demand accountability from women for every little thing but can't hold your fellow men accountable for shit? Vaginas is like women who say "dick is cheap." PPD will punish me for "witch hunting" aka showing you the women posters saying this, but they say it a lot right on here. But now who calls …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:12 PM
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without offering any in return If women aren't offering anything in return, then men are irrational to jump through these hoops. This is more damaging to a man than you realize. Actually, I suspect I understand it a lot more than you realize. In contrast to the Pollyanna view around here regarding how women are raised, I had a father who would physically abuse me if I dare cry over a missing animal. As a result, I buried and hid my emotions. I still do. I also haven't found most men (or women) t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 07:55 PM
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The ones treating average men like disposable actions figures, by and large, are men in power, not women. Not wanting to fuck a man is not the same thing as treating him like a disposable action figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 07:09 PM
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Personally, I'd rather be dead than have my only leverage depend on prostituting my body out. So, if that's the only alternative, so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:05 AM
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For someone so intelligent, I would think you'd be able to spot a false dichotomy before actually posting it. Speaking, you know, of logical errors.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 04:20 PM
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If only even "intelligent" men were half as interesting as you've deluded yourself into believing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:02 PM
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I remember working 8 hours five days a week rather than 10+ hour days six days per week. Easy mode tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:11 PM
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We shouldnt be shamed for calling women liars based on no evidence So you don't want people to be able to have opinions about the opinions you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:35 AM
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People who are very intelligent in terms of IQ are often absolute dumb fucks when it comes to navigating human relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:01 PM
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I accept it. This is why I chose not to pair up with a man long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:26 PM
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You know literally fuck all about me. Studies show most men are open to casual sex. You're really telling me they wouldn't want to have sex on the first date? Get the fuck out of here bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:25 AM
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But, women enjoy dates Speak for yourself. It was fucking miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:14 AM
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vanity metrics. Height. Income. Status. Aesthetic. Social proof. These are easy to measure and easy to compare. They’re visible, so they become the filter. then.... Two things have to align.. First: strong mutual physical attraction. Thats not shallow, its biology. If that’s not there, it doesn’t start. Uh, the reason a number of women say like tall guys, is because that's what they're attracted to. Like, how are we distinguishing between vanity metrics and traits associated with strong mutual p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:39 AM
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The best. If I ever start thinking perhaps I'll change my long-term single status, a quick trip to ppd will cure me of such folly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 01:00 PM
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That's most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:50 PM
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But likely a shitload of overlap between guys who want a low N woman while bitching about not getting sex after a date or so, based upon what I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:53 AM
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Ah yes, the fluctuating definition of hypergamy that allows red pill men endless plausible deniability and goal post moving.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:01 AM
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Yes, but on a population scale why would you assume this is the case for such a number of people that it would change the average? Attraction and how you want to interact with someone you love are two entirely separate circles. Again, this is very flawed logic. You're trying to say "because women like oranges, they must naturally want oranges to be thrown at them." Not to mention, preference for dominance significantly diminishes for long term relationships Being submissive also doesn't mean you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:33 PM
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why would it be that complicated in most cases? It's not complicated that attraction towards someone and how you want to interact with them can be two different things. E.g., men who fall in love with a woman who likes to dress provocatively and then is upset when she continues to dress this way in a relationship. The fact is the vast majority of women express preferences for egalitarian relationships. If you're listening to them on preference for dominant men, maybe also listen to them on their…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:17 PM
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Some do, particularly in short-term encounters. But this is a flawed leap of logic that not only ignores individual differences but conflates attraction with how a woman might want to interact with that man. A woman can even want a dominant man to be submissive to her, for example. Edit: not to mention, many women have had this you're submissive shit pushed on them ever since they were tiny girls...and that sort of thing can affect people while having nothing to do with what they're naturally in…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:56 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:32 PM
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The word ignore indicates something other than just minding his own business. Like do I greet him in the morning as a generally friendly thing to do and he just ignores me, for example? If someone I'm being friendly to just ignores my attempts to be friendly, I'll assume they want to be left alone and respond accordingly. And it would leave a negative impression. On the other hand, if he's just quiet and keeps to himself and responds only minimally to direct attempts to talk to him, I'll again a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:31 PM
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But that's not what OC's talking about. He's perpetuating the rhetoric that women are attracted to men they feel inferior to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:05 PM
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Women are naturally submissive. That's why men have to keep reminding them and trying to coerce them into a submissive position.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:31 PM
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I like em skinny and not very muscular.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:14 AM
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And I wish male sexuality worked differently. But it doesn't. So is life. Get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:07 AM
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Ya'll live in the fucking twilight zone thinking most women are fucking "Chad" while being strung along in hopes of locking him down.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:04 AM
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No, the prevailing RP belief is that men, particularly desirable men, gatekeep commitment when there is already a sexual relationship. Except, men are the ones who are going to need and want a relationship more in the vast majority of instances. They're going to be falling in love sooner. They're going to be worse off single. etc etc. The exception doesn't make the rule. It's like saying "women do X" when in fact a teensy minority of women do X. Fucking stupid and failure of a generalization. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:18 PM
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Scarcity because women are gatekeeping relationships. The exception - a small number of guys - does not make the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:23 AM
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The belief that men gatekeep relationships assumes women value commitment more. But that assumption is questionable at best given men are more dependent on romantic relationships than women (also see a discussion of this study here, discussing that men are more eager to enter into relationships, express more desire for a partner when single, fall in love more quickly, say that they love their partners sooner, and are less likely to end relationships).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 06:30 PM
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That's not an equivalent scenario, as low N women who don't want a promiscuous man are not applying a more lenient standard to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 07:46 AM
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Again, these situations are not all comparable to each other, and even if granted that men are complaining because they feel entitled but wouldn't necessarily have casual sex, most men jump at casual sex. Thus, if a man is complaining about not having access to casual sex, odds are he'd jump at it if given the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:34 PM
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I mean feeling entitled to someone's body is fundamentally different than feeling entitled to attend a concert. These two situations are not remotely the same. But, regardless, if I'm banned from something I don't give a shit about, I'm not going to complain about it non stop online, which many of these men to, so I don't find that argument convincing. Additionally, there's the fact that most men do jump at casual sex given the opportunity, backed by multiple studies, so odds are...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:20 PM
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But there is. Many men complaining, for example, about being "locked" out of casual sex kind of gives their hand away.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:57 PM
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Nah, what's sexist is men applying a more lenient standards towards themselves, as the vast majority of men bitching and moaning about N counts are either total sluts themselves or would be a complete slut if given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:33 PM
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It's clear that it isn't sex For me, it is. Not that I would expect him to have no experience at my age, but that it's something he doesn't just do with anyone he's attracted to when horny. Without some degree of sexual restraint, commitment from a man doesn't mean anything to me. Unfortunately, most men are promiscuous when given the chance. Which should explain why I gave up on dating lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:25 PM
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The Blue Pill is in denial about women's flawed humanity, while the Red Pill just shames women for it Total bullshit. Very few "BP" fail to recognize women are flawed. That's a fiction created by TRP to make their blatant dehumanization of women (e.g., the core of the damn ideology argues women are incapable of actual love) appear to be just criticism and something more benign than it actually is. Their criticism of women for shit men would do is similarly not granting them the grace of being hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:00 PM
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Surprised to see it here? Really? Because of all the places I'd expect to see misandry, it definitely doesn't surprise me that it pops up on a sub where men recurrently threaten the dickpocalypse, repeatedly talk about how women are only good for their pussies, repeatedly argue that it's necessary to lie to and use women, argue that women are vapid, boring, and intolerable....etc etc. Like what do you expect? That a woman will always be "the better person" and always suck it up for the good of u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:50 PM
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Fair. But that's not the only awful and life changing thing people can go through that can give more perspective. For example, sometimes, maybe someone lost a spouse, but has otherwise lived a charmed and privileged life. A single dude who has gone through more adversity would reasonably have more perspective on a lot of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:11 PM
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I mean it can make sense if their opinion is about something that marriage could give them more of a perspective on. Reasonably, a mother may know more about cooking for kids than a chronically single lady. But why give more weight to the guy with a dead wife for reviewing films? Doesn't really seem relevant, at least for most movie reviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:05 PM
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Given that there are a lot of stupid, delusional, and dysfunctional people married with kids, I'd say it's risky to assume their opinions are grounded without any further info.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 10:49 PM
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And I don't care if they don't care, I'm just discussing sex on a forum for discussing that type of thing, and it's kind of odd to keep pivoting to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 03:42 PM
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And it's also the truth that there's nothing more meaningless than sex with a man. Let's not conflate desired with meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 03:38 PM
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If a man will fuck any Sue, Sally, and Mary when they're horny and constantly bitch about getting casual sex, don't expect some of us not to roll our eyes when they then go on about how "meaningful" sex is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 03:30 PM
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Well let me ask you OP: can men truly love? Throughout all my experiences and others I know, the men “liked them” for their bodies and what they did for them, not the person themself. People say men are always after a maid and sex and they’ll use you for what you offer then once you stop putting out or something younger comes along, they cut you off for the next best thing. Starting to lose faith in my romance future. It just feels too shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 07:32 AM
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First, in your OC, I'm sorry, but if someone doesn't give a fuck that children die of preventable causes, I'd argue they may be more sociopathic than they realize. But then this comment makes me doubt you're using care appropriately, because you routinely make category errors. If your family member dies, you're devastated. If someone in your neighborhood dies, you get upset. Because you were emotionally attached to them. That's a separate question from having empathy for someone. You can have fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:50 AM
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I didn't say the original argument was semantics. I said that your response, which is like saying "well, B is true" after someone says A is true, is semantics because it's not actually engaging with the core of the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 02:31 AM
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I mean, my comment was taking OP's post and your comment at face value. I don't frankly have time to go back through your all's comment histories to see what context I might be missing. Something can be logical and technically correct but still irrelevant, which is what I'm contending your argument is, at least on its face.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:37 PM
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The reason why it is a necessary but insufficient condition is precisely because all romantic relationships need/require some form of distinct physical intimacy or physical contact but not all people who engage in intimate physicality are, per se, in a relationship. It would be necessary because not having intimate physical contact would entail a platonic relationship BUT not all people who engage in intimate physical contact are in a relationship. This is semantics and frankly somewhat of a str…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:40 PM
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Another stunning advertisement as to what women are missing out on by not dating the "average man." Who could possible resist?!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:58 AM
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is a tacit admission that going without it for prolonged periods of years actually does warrant lying to get sex. Absolutely not. I was pointing out the disgusting absurdity of comparing sex to food - as going without food will kill you in short order. Going years without sex doesn't. I'm over 12 years without sex close to 13. Perfectly healthy. And certainly wouldn't be justified in deceiving someone to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:52 AM
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Ah yes and I feel sorry for all the men dying after not having sex for a couple of months. It's absolutely just like not having enough food. And I'm glad we agree that anyone who has means that I want but don't have is fair game to violate, deceive, and steal from. They're "wealthy" relative to me. It's their own fault for not giving me what I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:44 AM
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You're not appreciating the importance of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:35 AM
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So, in other words, as I said, shadow boxing in the corner against claims I haven't made and making up shit to justify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:04 AM
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Am I them? No? Good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:58 AM
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I have no doubt in your ability to shadowbox in the corner against claims I haven't made. Such is a regular occurrence on this sub. But certainly if I start arguing that women are justified in treating men poorly because men won't just give women what they want, by all means feel free to "flip the script."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:39 AM
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And here we have some typical manosphere externalization of agency. Men are never responsible for their own actions. Even though you could argue similarly that lying to bypass those standards actually justifies the 'pickiness' you're complaining about, as it proves that being cautious is necessary to avoid being misled. But thanks for the rationalization. I suppose if I want to steal someone's credit card, I'll just inform them that it's their fault, because if they would have just given it to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:24 AM
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Two things. First, knowing that someone's attraction to you is based on very fleeting circumstances such that they'll fairly quickly find you progressively less attractive over time is not equivalent to the scenario you're proposing. It's one thing to recognize that you're not the most attractive person in the world. Vast majority of us inevitably aren't. It's an entirely different thing to expect a woman to be okay with being in a relationship with someone who, for the vast majority of the rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:52 PM
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If it's inevitable that the "good man" you're talking about will only be less and less attracted to us - and quickly, literally a matter of a few years... then all around it's a shitty deal The "deal" you were discussing with OC, text quoted above. And you're again trying to make this weirdly personal. I never said I'd get a uniquely bad deal. I'm arguing that in general investing in a man, for reasons noted by the OC who brought this up, is a poor deal with poor ROI. So, some women should consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:10 PM
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I never said anyone was making me take a shitty deal and have no idea where you pulled that from. I'm arguing that choosing to invest in a man who gives you a shitty deal is a worse use of your youth than* investing in other things that will give a better return on investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:52 PM
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That's life. Nobody can stay in their prime. Gotta make the best of it while you can. Or...don't take shitty deals?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:29 PM
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Recognize male attraction is low value and stop caring what they think. Unless you die young, you'll be spending most of your life outside of the group men are most attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:09 PM
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start a proper family before your time is up. Sure, if only her husband wouldn't continue to be most attracted to teenagers/early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:07 PM
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I don't ask or want anything of men personally. Just don't expect me to give a shit either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:05 PM
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Empathy is not my strong suit. However, I used to be a lot more empathetic. In this particular context, I think being in manosphere spaces over 10 years and watching the same misogynistic talking points, threats (e.g., the dickpocalypse), and dismissiveness of problems women have repeated to ad nauseum has significantly eroded my empathy for male loneliness. It also probably doesn't help that I likely have compassion fatigue from my work and personal life more generally. So to answer your questi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:20 AM
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But my assumption is that once entered into that relationship everyone is accepting of what it is, consenting, and happy to it. What do you think the odds are of two men being happy with this arrangement long term? It’s no different than how men have polygamous marriages with multiple women in many countries It would be different though, in that countries where men have multiple wives have a social acceptance that a woman with multiple husbands won't see in almost any country. I’m curious could …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:24 AM
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People are allowed to change their minds, and if they did, and I suspect they likely would, I would be backed into a corner. Practically, it's a good situation to avoid, even if in theory it holds some appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:06 AM
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Yes. Except to be fair, that would mean they could have other partner(s), which I would not be okay with. So, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:35 AM
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Appeal to common sense isn't an argument, it's a fallacy. It's just trying to support feels by claiming it is self evident. And nice straw man. Again, it's not that they're looking for married men. It's that women who just want some quick NSA sex are going to be looking for men who want the same thing, and many married men are going to fall into that category. On the other hand, more single men than married men are going to be looking for relationships/more than just sex, and single women who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 10:11 PM
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Based upon?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 09:57 PM
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Honestly wouldn't be too surprising. For example, emotionally unavailable women/women who are interested in no strings attached sex will have a lot of customers. It doesn't even mean they're having multiple affairs going at once. They could just fuck married man A one month, married man B the next month, and married man C the month after. All of those men have now cheated with one woman. And the woman they cheated with may or may not know they're attached.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:30 PM
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But, it is. Just like men can have multiple affairs going at once. There's nothing impossible about it. You can argue one explanation is more plausible over the other, but arguing it's a mathematical impossibility is asinine and incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:27 PM
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Not always, no. Regardless, see the edit above.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 07:58 PM
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Then, for women who want multiple sex partners, sounds like affairs with married men who just want a quick fuck could be right up their alley. Edit: regardless, that's just another possibility that shows your statement that there was only one mathematically possible explanation was blatantly false. Boy math, SMH.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 07:51 PM
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Mathematically, the only way this is possible is if a a large percentage of single women are dating men in relationships with someone else. This is incorrect. It could also be, for example, that these men are sharing a smaller number of women. All women who are dating married men know the men are married and are only dating them because they are married. Of course. Because cheaters definitely never lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 06:32 PM
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Watch what they do, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:48 PM
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Sorry but no, men being indiscriminate in who they'll sleep with is a broadly accurate generalization. Most men getting approached by a vaguely pretty girl will fuck her if she's down. Yet many of them will wax eloquent about how important sex is for "intimacy."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:02 PM
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OP definitely doesn't have a chip on his shoulder.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 07:30 AM
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Men say sex is an important part of intimacy for them, yet will by and large fuck anything remotely the right shape. So I don't understand why I should take such claims seriously. Rather, I'd say being so indiscriminate with who they fuck undermines claims of how important sex is for "intimacy."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:54 AM
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The only one throwing a tantrum is you when you faced mild criticism, but nice projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:02 PM
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Oh I'm not mad. Sounds like someone can't handle criticism without getting mad though. Chill out dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:59 PM
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I don't have a problem, it's just weird to ask people a question then ask someone else to decipher why they responded the way they did. Why not ask her why she responded the way she did and ask them why they responded the way they did? Or you can just make up shit in your head about why people responded the way they did, as I suspect you're unlikely to accept an answer that doesn't confirm your own biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:50 PM
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It's incredibly weird that you're asking her what other women are thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:26 PM
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I wouldn't have gotten to this point in the first place, but assuming I did for the sake of the question, I'd block him after telling him he's a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:31 PM
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Virgins good, hoes bad Except virgins that judge me for sleeping around, fuck them. So in other words you get pissy when people judge you by your own standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 02:13 AM
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They resent this man because in their words "it took him making a whole human for him to see the humanity in women" With that premise is it OK for men to hate women who despite otherwise being good human beings do not understand men until they give birth to male children and more often than not, fail to understand even then? No. As many have pointed out, resentment is not the same thing as hate. Secondly, "not understanding" men includes a whole ass range of things outside of failing to see the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:51 AM
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Yes. If a woman thinks men are trash but is still obsessed with relationships and/or sex with them and complains about being lonely because they can't get a man--who they think are inherently trash--I'm gonna struggle to empathize.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 05:07 AM
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Most women are here to debate. Not give advice. Edit: not to mention, dudes here have big opinions on the female experience despite understanding fuck all of what it's like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:11 AM
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1) Eyes, but not really deep set eyes. 2) Facial symmetry 3) Other - large hands Honorable mentions: thick and preferably long hair and deep voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:01 AM
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You sure all would say that you understand men having a dry streak and all, sure. And then OP keeps going around asking... so why do you think you can emphasize with man having a dry streak? Why make this assumption? Personally, empathy isn't my strong suit. Not great, but it's true. I in particular struggle to emphasize with a lot of "lonely" guys who are obsessed with fucking female bodies while often despising and/or looking down on women. But as I've chosen celibacy for the last 12 years, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 01:52 AM
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it's way better than the reverse. Nope, because when a high N woman ends up with a low N man it usually isn't because she felt entitled to be a slut while expecting him to treat sex as something more special for her. High n man + low n woman is like peanut butter n jelly Nahh, for many women who view sex as something special and intimate, high N men be tripping to think their hand-me-down dick is special to her after it has been passed around the community. What's truly superior is people who vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:44 AM
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So? I find men who want to stick their dick into 50 women and then settle down with a low N woman gross and insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:41 PM
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clearly don’t care much Sure a number don't, but many who do care are unlikely to think that the traits that allegedly make promiscuous men "superior" to their female counterparts are that impressive or make up for the negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:28 AM
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Rage bait* post by a conservative man to get people pissed off at women. As per usual. And of course stereotyping bi men as effeminate. That said, OP is onto something about conservative women in particular being less likely to date bi men. As conservatives overall are significantly less likely to date bi people. So if you're a conservative bi man... Have fun with that lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:27 PM
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Your post conflates liking with being attracted to. These are two separate things. A number of women who are attracted to men indeed don't like them. On the other hand, women who aren't attracted to men can nonetheless like them. That aside, who is surprised that some men feel this way? The only thing that is absurd is when these men then wax eloquent about how much men love women, while said men often clearly openly despise women and just want to fuck their bodies like a living sex toy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:24 AM
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The double standard exists for men and women for a reason. For the average guy, hooking up with an average girl is NOT an easy feat, whereas a girl can pretty much hook up with soooo many guys compared to her "looks match". This key difference is why women being "sluts" is inherently a bad thing, and a guy being a "slut" is completely different because that man must have some KEY trait that DRAWS women to him since naturally they are far more selective. This logic is asinine. If something being …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:21 AM
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Then why does he have to pay for it? Why does he have to trade internships for sexual favors?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:22 AM
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Uh, she is doing it because she's being paid. But keep living in your delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 11:27 PM
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Dick is already a low value commodity. Do ya'll really think any woman actually wants his dick that he's having to pay to get sucked? Like, really?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:31 PM
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They still want to be under male sexual power, regardless of how they want to experience that power. They want to be used and taken and treated like a sexual doll by men they deem attractive. Sorry, no. This is just frankly incorrect on multiple levels. A majority of women don't engage in rough sex, and a non-insignificant number who have didn't ask for it. Most women are flexible and not strictly submissive when it comes to sex. Things like emotional intimacy and consistency are linked to femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:04 PM
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You just ignored my statement. If porn is only for male gaze then why do all the women porn creators never choose asian men to fuck them for example? Why the fuck would they be if there's no incentive for diversity because men just want to see women get fucked and degraded? Women film their desires and film the men they like having sex with all the time. Its all over the internet. You're looking up shit that makes you hard and then extrapolating it to female nature. Truly hilarious. Tell me. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 02:49 PM
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If its for the male gaze then why are not all males represented equally in porn? Because ya'll prefer to see women and not men? The fuck kind of weird ass reasoning is this? Don't lie to yourself I'm not. But you're fucking delusional if you think porn made primarily for men has fuck all to do with women's actual desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 02:37 PM
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Porn is largely for the male gaze - ie, to get men hard and not to appeal to what women want. Honestly mind boggling you've convinced yourself that media made for men is a satisfactory source to know anything about "female nature."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:30 AM
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Just don't try to trick a woman into a relationship then and admit you're only for the streets/casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:22 AM
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where a clear and narrow topic somehow becomes several unrelated issues that I never raised. Literally the story of my life with most interactions I have with men on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:31 AM
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What am I allegedly making excuses for?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:48 PM
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We are talking about the hating arm of misogyny. You said: misogyny wont make or keep you lonely But if a man is lonely and becomes a hateful misogynistic troll who becomes hostile to women because he hates them - again, is he hurting his chances? Is he assuring he stays lonely by being hostile to women and avoiding them? I realize incels want to maintain their victim persona and never examine how their own actions affect or reinforce their state, but that's just not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:54 PM
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Such black and white thinking. You really think the lonely awkward man becoming hostile towards women he interacts with isn't hurting his chances further? Or avoiding women because he has built them up as this evil monster in his mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:26 PM
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Can we kill the idea that multiple factors don't interact? Trump is a billionaire that has been able to build a cult-like base of male and female sycophants who will all turn a blind eye to what he has done. Do you really think that his situation is remotely comparable to say a socially awkward incel who convinces himself it's hopeless so self isolates and acts resentful and hostile towards women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:58 PM
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Personally, I don't wear makeup. But men don't gain status or reputation by makeup, so trying to use makeup as evidence that women care more about what other people think is not a very compelling argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 06:15 AM
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So even if you think the rules are applied unfairly, you're getting suspended for insulting someone. Not misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:55 PM
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Looks to me that data more shows that men pull ahead in their 30s. Infidelity rates rise from young adulthood through middle-age and peak later in life for both sexes, but overall the highest rate is observed in older men. Seems staying faithful long term may be challenging for many people, particularly men. Possibly because they remain most attracted to very young women. Based upon that, while I agree OC's statement is not entirely accurate, data indicates men may be significantly more likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:49 PM
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Misogyny gets a pass here on a daily basis bro. If you start making things personal yeah, that can get action. But misogyny on this sub is constant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:25 PM
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This sub couldn't exist if people were prohibited from spreading misogyny and/or misandry. Neither are against the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:22 PM
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Some people only enjoy sex in a relationship or with someone who cares about them as an act of intimacy. It doesn't mean they don't enjoy sex, they just enjoy it in certain contexts and not just with any yahoo who is horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:38 PM
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And yet, a number of women have been deceived into having sex they otherwise wouldn't have had. Just because a man is controlled by his libido, making his desires hard to miss, doesn't mean they're being straight forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 06:01 PM
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You do indeed still have to interact with women to get casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:59 PM
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Doubt it, honestly. Not saying women won't lie to save face, but I think you're underestimating how often men will lie to get sex....or to save face lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:46 PM
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I'm not sure why you went on this long tangent; how is it relevant to whether men are upfront or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:25 AM
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I guarantee you that many a horny man would absolutely lie to hit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:14 AM
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I'm saying if women have to try to read into a man's actions to figure out why he's doing what he's doing, he isn't being up front about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 01:07 AM
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If you have to read into their actions or their motivations for arguing why sex is need, they are not being upfront. Edit: edited for clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:54 PM
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Men are generally upfront that a relationship is nice but sex is the priority I mean, are they, though? I mean sure many will admit as much on an anonymous online forum. But not to women they're dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:43 PM
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This tangent is irrelevant as I am not arguing that red pill men must dislike women. The definition of misogyny does not require prejudice and dislike. So do you concede it's a misogynistic ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:10 PM
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Well isn't this predictable. You're evading the core argument, and then turn to an ad hominem (attacking my argument by attacking my alleged motivation as opposed to actually dealing with my argument). You also argue well prejudice isn't that bad really. Or, in other words, sanitizing prejudice. So, are you conceding that TRP is based on prejudice and thus misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:08 AM
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Whatever it is, it's a false equivalence, as you're trying to equate an individual decision to an entire ideological framework based on prejudice. I don't criticize a man being cautious and aware that women can be manipulative as misogynistic just for being cautious. So let's talk about a much more analogous situation where a group of women create an ideological framework preemptively judging all men (AMALT) as rapists and sexual predators. Misandry or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:51 AM
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I am well acquainted with TRP. Its entire framework is built on the prejudice of AWALT—that women are universally hypergamous, manipulative, and only able to love opportunistically, etc. ​You claim this is "just observation," but are you unaware that virtually every historic prejudice has been rationalized using claims of 'scientific,' 'biological,' or 'observable facts' to prove inferiority and justify inhuman treatment/viewing said group as inferior or bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:01 AM
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Red Pill is not based in hatred, and is therefore not misogynistic. This is not a sufficient argument, as misogyny has contained dislike/prejudice/ingrained prejudice for ~20 years in its definition. Keep up with the times and stop trying to define a word's current meaning by its roots.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:44 AM
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Yup watch what they do and not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:50 AM
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Many non chads are constantly lamenting over the fact they cannot go around being sluts. Men tend towards being higher sociosexuality than women. I'm judging all types of men by their words, actions, and expressed desires. So do you really think that most unsuccessful men wouldn't be sluts if they could be?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:22 AM
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I'm not projecting; I'm the forum "prude" that wouldn't date a high N man. Are you denying that most men wouldn't jump at the chance to be sluts? Are unsuccessful men not often lamenting their lack of ability to be sluts? Why can't I judge men for their expressed desires?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:20 AM
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The smooth, toxic manipulator may have success with women while at the same time, the reactive angry troll raging about thots in his basement may end up hurting his already dismal chances if he comes across as having a massive chip on his shoulder with women he interacts with women, etc. You need to be the right kind of toxic and be ok with pulling women who are about that life. If you are, then you're probably fine. But not all "toxicity" is equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:15 AM
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I'd be male because, for example: 1) I dislike being on the smaller and weaker side of sexual dimorphism and it is something I've struggled feeling quite resentful about. I want to be strong and fast and, while I can improve my strength etc., and am quite active, I'm playing at a fairly massive disadvantage compared to 50% of the population. 2) I don't like how female bodies are viewed compared to male bodies (more sexualized, viewed broken down into different "parts" rather than as a whole pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:57 AM
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Why would she? Do you really think that a man having sex with a woman quickly is an investment-worthy event?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 07:03 PM
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cold, solid logic Not really, though logic is often used ad hoc to attempt to justify positions that someone reaches based upon emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:21 PM
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I don't know; I wasn't responding to you with that comment. I think it's a motivation for some dudes who do. I think all of you all's logic is faulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:20 PM
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Sure, a new position might open up that is better and, if you believe men to be such hypergamous monkey branchers, the guy with options may go ahead and apply. However, he won't jump at any other option like the low option guys does. If men are only as loyal as their options, that doesn't make low option men enticing, as his loyalty would only be out of necessity, and again may entail shitty treatment out of desperation to keep the woman he manages to snag. No, if men are as loyal as their optio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:51 PM
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OC was talking about deception, not getting dumped, no? And no, no "truth" here hurts, indeed no one is owed sex or affection. I just disagree with your all's reasoning. But thank you for giving evidence that your motive for making these types of arguments is an emotional one, to "strike back" at women and hurt them. Very sound reason lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:46 PM
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I don't agree that just because women might be attracted to a small percentage of men, they're all attracted to the exact same small percentage (I mean, unless you're willing to concede that the ~5"7 east asian men I tend to be attracted to are hot commodities. Nor am I a complete unicorn while all other women are attracted to the exact same guys and no others). But also keep in mind that someone who has multiple options when job hunting probably actually wants the job he takes and is less likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:43 PM
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My God, chill woman, why so triggered? People often just respond to comments of others on forums. It's how forums work. Don't respond of you're not interested in responding. But many men in these spaces will always assume that if a woman is mistreated, it's because she chose Chad. Hence the joke that you're all up in arms about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:28 PM
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Most men are sluts or at least would be if they could be. They'll fuck attractive women if given the chance. You're (the general you) not more virtuous simply due to lack of opportunity to be a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:18 PM
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If she's attracted to him. Duh. She obviously needs to date men she isn't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:13 PM
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Look at those goal posts move.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:00 PM
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Bro out here actually imagining that a woman who will have sex with him quickly is going to become invested after having sex once lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:51 PM
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You’re mental gymnastics are pretending the downgrade It's a problem to view a change in someone's behavior so personally. Maybe she tried anal and just doesn't like it so that's why she doesn't want to do it. It doesn't mean her committed man is a "downgrade." Similarly, a man can throw around his money when he first starts earning a lot but then becomes more frugal, and so spending less money on a future woman isn't a downgrade. It's one thing if a girl is too prude for you, or a guy isn't gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:12 AM
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I'm not the one writing manifestos. Nor am I trying to make it personal. I was taking issue with your reasoning. That is, comparing sex to a reward or compensation that you're entitled to. If you want to point out where my reasoning is flawed on that point, please do. Otherwise, I fail to see how I'm doing any sort of Olympic level gymnastics by arguing that sex is not a reward or compensation that anyone is entitled to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:48 AM
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I've actually been voluntarily single for 12 years, am child free, pay for my and a significant portion of my parent's bills, do not lean on men for anything in my personal life, would only want a man's commitment or sex if it's something he also wanted and wasn't viewing either as a reward, would not want to have him take over my expenses, and have never performed a sex act in the past that I wouldn't do with a future partner. I'm literally just taking issue with your reasoning and you want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:21 AM
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Cool, then commitment isn’t a reward for sex Correct. Glad we agree relationships are transactional You're arguing that viewing sex as not a reward necessitates this conclusion? Congrats, you’re the unicorn 0.1% Lying, unicorn. Knew it would be something. until you remember you’re also not entitled to his money, time, protection. Correct. I also don't want his money or protection. Yet here you are expecting all of the above while offering the budget bedroom experience. Nope, now you're just pull…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:06 AM
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Sex is a mutually enjoyable activity that is part of a relationship. It's not something the woman "gives" her man as a reward for commitment. And what she finds enjoyable or unenjoyable may be informed by prior experience. You can't with a straight face tell me that you wouldn’t be upset. In other words, you're not looking for discussion. You're looking for people to agree with you, or they're lying. But frankly, gifts are overrated and I don't like men doting on me, personally. Sounds like he f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:17 PM
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My dad had significant mood swings daily, threw hissy fits if my mom did not read his mind and make the kind of food he felt like, and would scream when he didn't get his way. You're either delusional or disingenuous to suggest that plenty of men don't act extremely emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:39 PM
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Well, maybe once men stop fucking any attractive woman that they can, they can have these sorts of expectations. But it's wild to expect other people to deny themselves experiences and fun when ya'll will be as slutty as you are able.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:08 PM
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And because humans evolved through rape it means the only women that got to reproduce are the absolute weakest and shittiest ones. Given that research indicates that some of our human ancestors were significantly more sexually dimorphic than humans (for example), I'm not sure your theory is quite tracking with reality. Comparing humans to the other great apes, we are significantly less sexually dimorphic than most great apes. Dimorphism wise, humans are more similar to bonobos - which are matria…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:44 PM
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The privileged? Please. Yes, I'm well aware of growing fascism here in the United States, and I wouldn't be surprised if I end up having to unalive myself in the end to spare myself from living in a truly fascist state. As I have noted in other comments, I am capable of having empathy. Hell, irl, I defended men when men were demonized and tried to argue for the legitimacy of many male issues for years. I was also the liberal for years who would argue for liberals to cross the aisle and work with…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 05:03 PM
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And who and is guaranteeing that freedom? And how are they guaranteeing it? If it's conditional on saying what others want me to say, it's not actually free, now is it? So I'll treat it as true free speech and not obey in advance to tyranny which gives such a perversion of individual freedom the veneer of legitimacy. Then you've been warned. This threat has been levied thousands times or more in these spaces. And you've been warned that your rhetoric is actually serving to kill actual empathy an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:19 AM
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In general, most people are self absorbed and primarily concerned with the things that affect them. But as an evil Western woman, if a man expresses that he is sad and lonely from not having success in his dating life, my natural response is empathy. This natural response in me has been dimmed over time by repeated threats of force or violence and dehumanization of women that is so prevalent in manosphere/MRA adjacent spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:42 AM
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No, that's not all governments. That's tyranny. That's the sort of shit that free speech is supposed to offer a buffer against. Evidently, not fool proof, but what you're advocating for is preemptive compliance or obeying in advance to a form of tyranny. Have empathy or I'll fuck you up is never going to produce true empathy. It kills true empathy and kills truly mutual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:17 AM
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I'm perfectly capable of empathy. But always kowtowing in fear to men threatening violence (or subjugation) isn't going to make women like men more, it sure as shit isn't a way to actually form any mutually beneficial relationships, and it's frankly not something I'm willing to do as that's no way to live out already short lives. They might as well stop threatening and burn it the fuck down already.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:05 AM
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Well, I certainly could never even hope to match the brilliance of your initial comment in which you made the stunning revelation that not all men are happy in relationships. But, I do my best, what can I say?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:32 PM
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There are a lot of things many men don't understand, but I can't say that I desire for them to understand. I do not desire or expect empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:05 PM
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Men will generally use some porn (which can include OF) regardless of the quality of their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:54 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:52 PM
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I, and many others, just don’t see toxicity as a defining factor in whether a guy will be successful or not in dating. Evidently OC does, as he repeatedly tries to argue that reaching certain levels of toxicity results in success in dating and/or sex. There’s no utility to the statement “lots of lonely men are toxic”. It’s a non statement, it doesn’t say or imply anything. I guess you say it because it feels nice to say? It was a statement disagreeing with OC who tried to paint lonely unsuccessf…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:14 AM
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Source: a lot of lonely men wearing their toxicity on their sleeve.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:03 AM
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Admissions of attempting to coerce women into sex have happened on this forum, yes. The celebrating of women being killed has not happened on this forum, but does happen on true black pill forums, as I noted in my OC. Overall, a lot of guys here (on this sub) are very bitter, bigoted, and hateful, which I would define as toxic. I'd say most people would.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:59 AM
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Studies show there are certain types of toxic guys who have higher sexual partner counts. Again, does that negate my assertion that a lot of toxic men are lonely or that a lot of lonely men are toxic? Not really. If ya'll are impressed by them, you're welcome to emulate them and get women who will be drawn to that sort of toxicity. Sounds like the toxic guys are the ones who succeeded while the ones who weren't quite toxic enough failed. There is not a certain level of toxicity that guarantees t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:55 AM
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In my OC I literally gave examples. E.g., admitting they tried coercing women into sex and celebrating women being killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:40 AM
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Either a lot of toxic men get attention or they don't. Choose one No, I don't need to pick between two arguments I did not make. I said a lot of lonely men are toxic and a lot of toxic men are lonely. To illustrate why this does not necessitate me "choosing" between whether a lot of toxic men get attention or they don't, consider the following: If, hypothetically, 50% of toxic men got attention and 50% did not, it would be correct to say both that a lot of toxic men are lonely and a lot of toxic…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 06:59 AM
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Of course they're toxic. Arguing that there are a lot of lonely toxic men = / = arguing toxic men never get attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 06:04 AM
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Note I said "trying." Not succeeding in coercing women into sex. Some probably succeed, others dont. And nor am I arguing that if someone is toxic, they won't get a relationship. I'm just pointing out the fact that a lot of lonely men are indeed toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 06:02 AM
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A lot of men here (this sub) are incredibly toxic. And lonely. And even some admit to doing very toxic things, like trying to coerce women into sex. Lacking confidence does not automatically make someone not toxic. Edit: also, on true black pill forums, you'll even have black pillers celebrating when women are tortured and killed. So yes, a lot of toxic men are lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:46 AM
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Just because you (the general you) choose to allow someone to treat you poorly doesn't mean I have to, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:57 PM
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Are women adding stress into their partners lives? Are they prepared to be judged the same way they judge others? This implies that if men are willing to tolerate something, then women are obliged to tolerate the same things. But this isn't how it works. Men have the autonomy to decide what they will and will not tolerate, and women have the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:47 PM
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Even someone from gen z who hasn't used dating apps shouldn't be talking in your view? Also, this sub is technically for gender and sex issues more broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:27 AM
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OP out here trying hard to win the oppression Olympics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:52 PM
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I mean, I'm not the one offended by the answer one way or the other. So, one that isn't based upon poor logic, logical fallacies, or an inaccurate/poor representation of data? Sometimes we cannot say for sure on things. That's also ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:03 AM
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An argument of incredulity isn't a credible argument, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 12:03 AM
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Top 10 smartest countries as measured by IQ. E.g. https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:40 AM
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Yet, USA can't crack the top 10 despite being the richest country. So relative to its* wealth, USA = dumb as fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:35 AM
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Generally*. Rarely in the top 10. Edit; changed sometimes to generally because this is a more accurate statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:31 AM
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I mean perhaps some people are disproportionately rich in the USA because others are disproportionately dumb. In isolation, I don't know what conclusions you can realistically draw from your data.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:30 AM
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I mean, this assumes to some degree that the USA isn't low IQ...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:04 AM
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That's a long comment to throw out a bunch of data that does not answer the question. With the glaring flaw of comparing injuries from bears to fatalities from humans when assessing the relative risk. At least include human on human injuries or only include fatalities from bears for the same time period you used for the homicides...but that would be zero or close to zero kills from black bears in national parks*, wouldn't it (2007-2023)? But another glaring flaw in this data is that it assessed …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:42 AM
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Bro you're the one arguing on feels and showing no understanding of basic logic. It'd be like me trying to argue that the man is clearly more dangerous by screeching "YEAH WELL TRY THROWING A WOMAN IN A MALE MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON WHERE THE PRISONERS ARE ALL RELEASED AND WILL FACE NO CONSEQUENCES AND TELL ME WHO IS MORE DANGEROUS HUH?!" It's just so cringe bro. Ya'll make me lose respect for men by acting this dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:57 PM
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Again, it's completely irrelevant to the argument I'm making, which is that to know whether it's riskier to choose the bear vs the man in the man vs bear hypothetical we would need data on exposure to a single man in an isolated area vs a single bear in an isolated area. What you're doing is building a strawman and attacking that. I never said it's always riskier to choose the man over the bear, or the bear over the man. I've in fact stated no conclusions about who is riskier at all. Please. Ya'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:33 PM
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That's not remotely equivalent, no, and a very illogical comparison. This is the sort of emotional reaction you frequently get from men when discussing this, though. Humans are constrained by the presence of other humans. Bears, on the other hand, would be frightened and probably upset to find themselves surrounded by other bears in a strange location. It's both potentially possible for a random black bear to pose less of a threat to a woman than a random man when encountered alone in the woods,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:24 PM
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Yes, but to accurately compare the relative danger in the hypothetical, we would need data on exposure to a single man in an isolated area vs a single bear in an isolated area. Human actions are constrained in the presence of other humans, so comparing the risk of from encountering a man when surrounded by other people is not equivalent to the risk of running into a man alone in an isolated area.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 06:17 PM
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This is the sort of response to to the man vs bear question that made me lose respect for a lot of men. It's fine to be offended by women choosing the bear. But you're bringing down the net IQ of humanity to argue that this is a logical response when it's not even remotely equivalent to the man vs bear question, even if you want to argue that picking the man in the hypothetical is the logical choice. Don't conflate your feelings with facts or logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:47 PM
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What do you mean by higher? I think they're different, often. Like how men often have different criteria for casual sex vs relationships. I don't think that, as it's often framed around here, a woman not wanting to have sex with a man she's dating as fast as she hooked up with another man means hookup guy was a chad and date guy is a beta she wants to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:08 AM
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I mean some of my examples are applicable to this context. E.g., she could have gotten burnt by a man lying to her to get sex in the past several months so now she's much more gun shy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:48 AM
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This is very black and white thinking, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised given the sub I am on. Peoples feelings and boundaries shift, sometimes upon reflection of past experiences. She could have... Felt pressured to have sex in the past but became more firm with her boundaries as she got older and more sure of herself. Had a bad experience feeling used when she had sex quickly in the past so now feels much more comfortable waiting longer. Tried hooking up and found she actually really dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:41 AM
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I said men don't need women. I also will say women don't need men. Both answers seem to upset people. But I think they're coldly but technically correct, particularly for relationships, which I perceived was what this question was answering. I also think both statements are technically correct more generally. That's not to say that if 50% of either side of population suddenly vanished, there wouldn't be catastrophic consequences. I think both instances would lead to additional male or female dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:16 PM
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They don't. They desire access to many female bodies to some degree and many also desire to have one woman they can claim as their woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:28 PM
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I mean seeing men hold themselves out as potential romantic partners at times, they evidently think there must be marketable benefit to being in a romantic relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:27 PM
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Can you then explain the appeal to me to being in a romantic relationship with a man? Why would a woman want to pair up romantically with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:28 PM
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Women's body's are theirs and not for the "needs" of men. False equivalence. You don't need sex to survive like you need food and water.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:32 PM
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Accepting your premises requires accepting men will lie and deceive unless they can get what they want otherwise. People who lie and deceive if they don't get what they want are shit. Therefore, your premises require accepting that men are shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:27 PM
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How am I advocating for that? I said if I accept OP's arguments, this is the conclusion I get.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:07 PM
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Sounds like they're overrating themselves and don't want their looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:58 PM
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This post isn't about to make society better or increase marriages. As I noted above: Even accepting all of your arguments, this sounds like a good reason for men to remain single if this is how it feels to date women. But this doesn't provide a compelling reason for women to overlook the downsides of getting into a relationship with a man if the pros still fail to outweigh the cons.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:57 PM
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In India most men wouldn't want her. Because they think she's too ugly? No wonder so many are struggling. She's definitely above average and much better looking than the dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:28 AM
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Ah yes, because men are totally honest to women who don't do casual sex and thus necessarily don't have different sets of standards
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:27 AM
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Why can't that be accomplished without engaging in the oppression Olympics?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:41 AM
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Another stunning advertisement for the quality and upstanding character of the average man, and the benefits of dating and/or having sex with the average man, brought to you by the men of PPD! With all of these stunning reviews, how could you possibly even resist trusting the average man? Why on earth would you even consider picking the bear? On a serious note, I honestly don't understand why more of you single ladies don't join me in catland.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:30 AM
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I'm asking if both groups do this, which reality wins out? Do we get rid of the "unworthy" men or the "unworthy" women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:20 AM
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Couldn't I make the same argument? Can't force men to change. Let them all die lonely and nature select in favor of the few better men out there. Which scenario is going to become reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:11 AM
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To what end? To force women to change? What if they don't? I agree men need to decenter women same as women should decenter men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:06 AM
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Even accepting all of your arguments, this sounds like a good reason for men to remain single if this is how it feels to date women. But this doesn't provide a compelling reason for women to overlook the downsides of getting into a relationship with a man if the pros still fail to outweigh the cons. Ultimately, if romantic relationships are no longer serving either men or women, best to move onto another model. Or, for individuals who feel they are not worth the effort, to move onto other pursui…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:56 AM
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Exactly! I also regularly watch porn but I'm icked out by a man who has ever watched porn. But as I don't judge them for it it's just a visceral ick, I see no issue with what I do or my expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:47 PM
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I'm just using manosphere reasoning. If it's good for the goose it is good for the gander.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:59 PM
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Icks are an unquestionable fortress, my friend, and can never be challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:53 PM
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You can judge redditors, I'm just saying that because my ick is unexplainable and not based on a judgment regarding people who use reddit, I'm not a hypocrite for continuing to use reddit, and not seeing any problem with it, while screening men who use reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:50 PM
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I would say it's not hypocritical if you admit using reddit regularly isn't healthy or indicative of a normal person. I see no such admission is necessary, as my ick towards men who use reddit is unexplainable and reasonably based in biology. I make no judgment on their behavior, I'm just icked out by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:45 PM
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Of course not, as I'm icked out by men that engage in the same behavior I do. But as it's just a preference, and, not a judgment on them, I'm absolutely not a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:20 PM
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"Men don't like the options they have so they'll blame women for the choice they make."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:19 PM
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"Why is a man at fault for his own choices?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:15 PM
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The man knows whether or not he lied. Plenty admit to lying to get sex. You're still clinging to if you cannot prove it did not happen. But the truth is, he either lied or he didn't, being able to prove it or not has no bearing on the facts of what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 01:28 AM
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You really think force is the only thing that can negate consent? If a man murders a gynecologist and then pretends to be the gynecologist that he murdered to touch and look at women--can he claim that none of them were violated because he got their consent and did not force them to do anything? Even entertaining this logic, can she prove it was a lie vs him changing his mind? Probably not. Doesn't change the truth of what happened. If I murder someone and I'm never caught, I'm still a murderer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 01:15 AM
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Well, non-monogamous tendencies common particularly to men are a big--and sufficient-- reason that I'm very doubtful I will ever marry. Such tendencies include, for example, interest in threesomes. I've had my feelings of affection towards a man chilled for less offensive things than you have proposed. Due to male tendencies towards non monogamy, I'm doubtful that I am capable any longer of loving a man as more than a friend. However, should I change my mind enough to marry a man, he would be we…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:42 PM
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Yes they're finding me but they aren't rare. And if they're not hard to run into for me while not dating, I don't know why you'd imagine they are hard to find while dating. Perhaps my experience isn't representative; but also perhaps yours isn't. Perhaps you're less able to tell shitty men (those shitty to women) than you think. Also crime statistics don't capture all of the crimes committed, nor are many, shitty, manipulative men criminals. So I'd say your argument has questionable support.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:08 PM
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This is moving the goalposts. You said... They aren’t easy to find, women just select them over all their other options because what they find hot correlates strongly with poor behavior But from my experience, having not dated in 12 years and having never hooked up, these fuckers remain very easy to find while I'm just minding my own business and not selecting anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:45 PM
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Do you think that men who are shitty to women are actually going to be shitty to you? E.g. the random ass neighbor I had who tried to corner and grope me in the mailroom prob wouldn't do the same to you. Do you think you have to be a criminal to be shitty?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:01 PM
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They aren’t easy to find And you base that upon....?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:38 PM
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No. I don't mind flowers, but I don't really care about them either. If someone gives me some, they're just a hassle to deal with. And said person would probably be offended if I just tossed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:44 AM
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Personally, this sort of thing would kill my love for him. It may not happen immediately, but I'd begin to resent and dislike him. And if he somehow had gotten to the point of marrying me, although there's a snowball's chance in hell that'd happen lol, this is something he would know, so it would be a sort of betrayal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:36 AM
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I'm not really sure what the point of these askwomen threads are. The men here by and large aren't here to listen to other perspectives. They're here to argue and take out their frustration on random women online who they view as interchangable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:31 AM
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But, as it goes, it just ended up being a subreddit with suicide fuel for myself Respectfully, if this sub is causing you to struggle with dark thoughts, I'd encourage you to take a break from it or look for less negative spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:41 AM
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No, because I'm not OP. But even OP noted: They resort to things like jacking off to your friends or sisters to fulfill their need for variety, or thinking about other women while you fuck And I was just pointing out another way that OC is likely getting his desire for variety met. Factually, he hasn't been sexually satisfied by one woman but by many.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:09 PM
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Studies consistently show both men and women are averse to partners with high body counts. I also would not want to date a high body count man. Stop trying to frame this as just differences between sexes. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:19 PM
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But icks do have explanations. Preferences are not above criticism. And if it originates from a judgment or belief that the man's own behavior is contrary to - eg., the high N man thinking high N makes someone gross and undesirable - that's pretty much the definition of hypocrisy my guy. It's a factual question that has a true or false answer, and being quiet about it may make the man less of an asshole, but it doesn't make him less of a hypocrite. A bi woman avoiding bi guys is likely a hypocri…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:09 PM
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But why do they have the visceral ick? Most of the time, these men will start raging about high N women being used up whores that are for the streets if you catch them at the right moment. That is a moral judgment. It is not analogous to feeling drawn to certain features. Which makes the high N man also a used up whore for the streets, and thus a hypocrite. To try to get around this, they try to argue it's different because he has penis and high N count for penis-havers is harder. So in other wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:55 PM
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Unless you're one of the unicorns that does not at the very least watch porn, you may have only been actively having sex with one woman, but your* sexual satisfaction has involved multiple women. Edit: this appears to be a controversial opinion with people either strongly disagreeing or agreeing. For the disagreers; how is what I've said factually incorrect? If someone needs, or is alternatively unwilling to go without some form of porn, strip clubs etc., isn't it true that they are not sexually…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:24 AM
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Gemini's conclusion from copying and pasting your comment: The choice must fall on the parent whose continued life offers the highest probability of consistent, stable care for the child and continued, reliable societal contribution. The father's situation currently presents as the more stable and lower-risk option for the child's primary caregiver. His profession directly benefits the community's emotional health, his schedule is flexible, and his health issue is actively being treated. While t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:42 AM
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Well you certainly know how to avoid the point. Or maybe you need me to spell it out for you more slowly. A preference for physical or other traits is not comparable to creating double standards to excuse yourself engaging in behaviors natural to both sexes and associated with moral judgment that you feel entitled to restrict your partner from. More analogous situations would be, for example: Am I a hypocrite if I find a man undesirable for having a misdemeanor on his record if I myself have sev…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:32 PM
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Men and women want completely different things in a mate, qualities, attitudes and behaviors that they themselves to not posses. Despite you guys trying to cling to sexual dimorphism to deny the obvious hypocrisy in the double standards regarding sexual behavior, not physical or other traits, this is definitely not a male-only preference. I'm a woman who would not want to date a promiscuous man. And studies certainly indicate I'm not alone. But unlike a lot of men, I'm not a fucking hypocrite th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:48 PM
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You can do whatever you want to. But if you still look down on and shame women for doing what you either do or wish you could do - ie, sleeping with a lot of people - I'm still going to think you're a gross hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:20 PM
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Did I ever say any love was unconditional like OC did?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:05 PM
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Oh please. Yeah sure, the parents who beat the shit out of their kids "love" them unconditionally. A man who leaves his sick wife for a young trophy wife "loved" his wife unconditionally. What do ya'll smoke, anyway? I want some.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:39 AM
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I think, particularly with high N count/promiscuous men wanting virgin or low N count women, this underestimates how much objectification of women and a desire to possess said woman is influencing these feelings. It's kind of like how a brand new shiny car gives you more bragging rights than one with 100,000 miles on it. These men often care about N count because they are viewing women not foremost as people, but as objects that they want to possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:03 AM
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Height being an important factor in mate selection does not even imply that but for his height, he wouldn't have gotten all the comments that he did. Which is the argument you're making. *Maybe it resulted in more positive comments, maybe it didn't. I mean you noted that kindness was also at the top of the list, so how do you know which factor or factors actually led to the positive comments? You don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:26 PM
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I mean if he wasn't tall or hadn't mentioned his height, ya'll would just pivot to the other two explanations to explain it away--like some of the other commenters already have. You guys consistently dismiss any evidence contrary to your worldviews in such ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:12 PM
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Ahh, checks almost complete PPD bingo card--so according to the comments underneath the OC, comments from women expressing that a man with feminine supportive qualities is desirable don't count because: 1) they're outliers; 2) they're probably lying; or 3) it's his height, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:51 PM
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What he wants is irrelevant if she doesn't want him. Same the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:35 PM
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Well I'm not interested in committing to any man in part due to male tendency towards non monogamy (porn, desire for variety, etc.). So it's certainly possible for both to be true at the same time and even feed into each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:30 PM
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Oh please. I'm very active. I've never in my adult life depended on a man for money or figuring shit out. You're not living in reality if you think that any of this means the average man couldn't physically over power me if he wanted. *Due to an accident of birth, mind you, and through no merit of his own. Men live life on easy mode when it comes to physical strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:32 PM
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I mean, again, it's my honest subjective experience. As I do not want to be reliant, I hate being in this situation. It's like a horror movie I cannot escape from. I'm not pivoting talking about being valued for sex, it's one of the reasons I dislike being reliant on said group, as I don't perceive many of them as viewing me as fully human. How you feel about your situation does not change how I feel about mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:48 AM
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If I were a man I'd probably feel the same as you. But as you haven't had the experience of being denigrated as inherently useless except for sex since you were a child by a substantial number of said group who can physically overpower you if they so desire, it seems you're unlikely to be able to understand or empathize with such an experience. It's not a matter of what makes me feel better. It's an honest reflection of how I feel trapped in such a situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:53 AM
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Yes. Being dependent on other people - many of whom are hateful, manipulative assholes - and stuck in a weaker body is miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:25 AM
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Nah it's kind of a miserable existence tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:45 AM
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I mean there are plenty of women who don't really like men on this sub, but I haven't seen them paint men in as bad of a light as I have seen many men here do. You're going to have to try harder lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:20 AM
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So true tho. The people on this sub saying the most misandrist things and painting men in the worst light are routinely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:12 AM
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Yes there are cases with women not being ok with it, on average most women are fine with it. Many studies over a number of years consistently show that both men and women dislike high body counts for long-term partners. Women who dislike promiscuous men tend to just avoid them, and not be assholes to them online like men who dislike promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:49 PM
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I mean, all this comment does is reiterate how being able to sleep around is meaningful for a dude but not for women, which means that is entirely fair for me to view his promiscuity as less acceptable because it is something he attaches meaning to. But I assure you, plenty of promiscuous women do enjoy more casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:41 PM
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otherhand generally have to use skill. I mean, for me, this argument means about as much as tits on a turtle because it's entirely irrelevant to why I am not interested in dating promiscuous men. Oh, they think they're hot stuff? I couldn't care less lmao. On the other hand, I could argue that, while it's fair for me to expect a man to restrain his impulses because it's clearly something he views as valuable - sex with men is so easy it would be truly meaningless for me to sleep around. So I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:20 PM
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hard pass, but you could make the same argument with a promiscuous woman - the other guys were just for fun and she's providing emotional/domestic labor and committing to this guy because it's "for real."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:12 PM
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Yet, men pretend that their commitment is special after going around and sticking their dick into as many women as they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:57 PM
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Maybe they have been spending too much time listening to manosphere rhetoric. No better libido killer tbh. Tends to make peeling off your own fingernails seem a preferable alterative to spending time around men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:31 AM
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I don't know why you're assuming that all women are apparently holding the same opinion here. Some may complain, others are relieved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:01 AM
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A lot of preteen girls are preyed on by adult men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 10:31 PM
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Given many bad experiences with men started when a woman was a preteen ... Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:59 PM
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By locking him in the basement with the rest of my harem, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:22 PM
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If it's fulfilling with the compromises, offers more pros than cons, etc. It's a very personal and subjective call.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:32 AM
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Either both sexes can have their preferences or neither sex can, and I pick the former option. I think everyone can have preferences, but no preferences are immune to criticism or questioning. That doesn't mean I think people should have to fuck people they aren't attracted to. That would be unconscionable even if I think their preferences are utter bullshit. It just means that preferences in dating are not in some untouchable, ivory tower.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 03:41 AM
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Nope, I’m (maybe unfortunately🤷‍♀️ absolutely straight). I've seen this line of reasoning before and I don't understand it. Being a straight woman is being attracted to men. Bi men are men. Men who have experimented with men are men. Men who have been with a trans woman are men. Seems to me being attracted to a bi man is a very straight way to view bi men. Romantic relationships are hard enough without mixing in vastly different experiences or lifestyles. I mean, in some ways, bi men have more o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 02:37 AM
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Yes to all three. However, data suggests I'm in the minority for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 02:09 AM
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Faking holding the same opinions, values, passions, or views on relationships, for example. Given many dudes propensity at the beginning to try and mold themselves into what he thinks the woman wants, being forthcoming about your own views and wants is unfortunately risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 01:49 AM
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You compromise if you find the relationship worth it. If you don't, why would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 01:30 AM
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Honey bun, if a man would use a woman he despised as a fuckhole, I wouldn't want to be with him even if he thought I was the most interesting woman on earth. So again this rhetoric contributes to devaluation of male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:00 PM
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I don't know why you think this is a flex. This sort of thing is exactly what makes male attention undesirable. Yes, you view women as unpleasant fuck holes. And then shocked Pikachu when fewer women want to be with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 09:40 PM
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While I think it's pathetic if a woman will only date men they view as "superior" to them, and agree that is is thus questionable whether they love said men, this remains entirely irrelevant to whether women are loved for who they are as many manospherians like to argue. Arguing that this is bullshit also does not imply that the women expect to be loved for who they are, only that the argument that they are in fact loved for who they are is utter bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:25 PM
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Only some people will love me for who I am. A lot of men will try to figure out how to get past me or tolerate me to get to my body for sex, but conflating that with love is fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 04:22 PM
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Nah I just disdain sexist men. Your faux intellectualism isn't impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 04:07 AM
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Whatever you want to tell yourself to rationalize dismissing someone's opinion based upon sex - a lot of opinions from random ass dudes online are taken seriously by other men even though said man has the game of a wilted turnip. But I mean, like I said, it's obviously a winning strategy given how well gen z men are doing with dating lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 02:59 AM
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Yes, because they value male opinions more than female opinions. Just the same old chauvinism old as time. And they're clearly doing so well in the dating market with this strategy lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:59 PM
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I mean, the two women you've responded clearly are into it. Yet, even if I'm open to a man who liked me about this preference, the opinions of other men would remain an obstacle to him actually presenting more feminine, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:28 PM
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Tbh I love men in makeup and fancy nails, but dislike wearing makeup. So, I'd like to have my cake and eat it too pls. But, given that wasn't a hypothetical option, my laziness would probably win out so I'd have to go with option two.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:25 PM
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Most women would not date/marry someone that makes less than them, right? What are you basing that on? Specifically the most part. *Pointing to stats on breadwinners doesn't really tell you what people would do in different circumstances (e.g., if OP is right and men are wanting to shirk their gender role without taking on another, that could lead to there being less female breadwinners than there would be if men were more willing to take on more aspects of a female gender role as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:28 PM
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Men are being oppressed in a male dominated sub reddit. Ya'll really know how to victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:43 PM
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Nothing gives me the ick more than "alpha male" podcast bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:37 PM
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Oh, I misread your OC as telling me I was being to mean to him, which I didn't have patience for. Sorry for the unnecessarily hostile response.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:21 AM
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Your responses were very sharp No shit. He'll survive, I promise. he doesn't have an answer to your question Again, no shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:34 PM
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What if he puts hard hours into something he's passionate about but it's just not lucrative (e.g., teaching)? Why wouldn't that make him worthy of respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:11 PM
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WILL NOT END. This is bullshit because they do. My cousin married a conservative man who recently divorced her, even though their relationship was supposed to be forever. In practice, relationships with these men end all the fucking time. Not to mention, some of these fuckers are the ones demanding sex by the third date or they're out, and may in fact decide after having sex with her that she isn't the one. Plus, if it's an objective fact, as you argue in your first comment, that women are degra…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 04:36 PM
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How exactly does it impact her lifetime? Sex partner count is a hidden stat. You can choose to reveal it or not to reveal it. Because a lot of people want authenticity in relationships which holding secrets chills. Withholding information or lying to get your partner is deceiving them into a relationship with you. Not to mention, if you lie or withhold information, your partner could nonetheless find out the truth at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:42 PM
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You say their entire strategy is to find one woman - yet in practice, conservatives date and fuck around. Conservative men leave, cheat on, or divorce their wives. You're just again saying "men won't hate the woman they are having sex with" which again does not remove the stain from her from his dick after the relationship ends which most do. So basically you're repeating the same reason which is a shit reason for a woman to have sex with a man if it degrades her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:45 AM
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I mean, this comment just argues that women are degraded by sex with men and pontificates as to why you hold this viewpoint. It doesn't give any real reasons why women should be want to have sex with men if sex with men degrades their value over time. The fact that a man may not verbally degrade the woman he's currently having sex with means absolutely nothing, given that most relationships don't last and she will now carry the stain from his dick after the relationship. So why should women want…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:17 AM
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Wasn't mocking loneliness or pain with that comment. Take your self righteous indignation elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:27 AM
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And you're spamming this self-righteous indignation at numerous comments...why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:19 AM
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Because other women are people, not sex toys. Viewing women as people is a requirement for any type of relationship I have with men. Romantic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:48 PM
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The main thing a man offers me in a relationship, that I cannot get from other relationship types, is sexual exclusivity. So, why shouldn't that be important?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:34 PM
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Cringe rationalization to be a dirt bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:28 PM
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If he falls in love with another woman and doesn't act on it - and by not acting on it, I mean that includes things such as not confessing his love to her - I'd prefer that over him having sex with someone he doesn't care about. Even viewing other women as sex toys even if he didn't act on it would make me not want to be with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:27 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:39 PM
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If you insinuate you will vote to take someone's rights away if they don't have sex with you, that's a veiled threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:43 PM
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Never said that, but nice strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:40 PM
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Have no desire to. But the veiled threat is pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:36 PM
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Translation: if you don't have sex with us, we will vote to take your rights away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:32 PM
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And yet, as per usual, many men continue to make the argument otherwise, as seen in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:28 PM
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waaahs baby mens not responsible for actions. Only evil womens are responsible for anyone's actions. You like fuck boys and bad boys pumping and dumping you As I said, I don't do hookup culture, never had casual sex, so you can quit jerking off to the fantasy in your head. Nor are men or women who participate in casual sex responsible for other people who are shitty about how they treat their casual sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:40 AM
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Yes yes women are responsible for their own actions and the actions of men because men are literally fucking incapable of controlling themselves or taking any sort of responsibility. Slave to their impulses, apparently, and then you're shocked Pikachu when women assume men are acting on their apparently uncontrollable impulses - ie, sex. A woman does something? It's her own damn fault. Men do something? It's obviously a woman's fault. Men, according to the manosphere: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:33 AM
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As per usual, a manospherian blames women for the actions of men, and men are treated as babies who aren't accountable for their own fucking actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:12 AM
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I don't do hook up culture, and I don't hang around douchebags. I do not control other women. And I blame shitheads for being shitheads regardless of whether or not they're rewarded. Men are not toddlers. They can have some fucking accountability for once. Yes women often think men only want to get into their pants....because of the reasons stated above. Again, why shouldn't women listen to what men say when they say things noted above which are extremely common in manosphere spaces?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:53 PM
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Reducing men's issues into "Aww you want your penis touched" is honestly yet again a way for women to diminish and ridicule men's experiences. This viewpoint is heavily, heavily influenced by what a lot of men go around saying. I'm not really sure why women should disbelieve the statements from many - maybe even most - reportedly lonely men that they don't like women as people, they don't value women as friends or companions, they would go around "pumping and dumping" women if they could, they t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:08 PM
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The fact that you identify with red pill is all I need to know, however you may argue that your personal viewpoints differ from red pill dogma. Kind of how it would be a terrible fate to be deceived into a relationship with a KKK member who argued "but wait, I'm not that bad. I disagree about x, y and z." Not to mention, the fact that I wouldn't know he was red pill means that the relationship would be based upon lies, a mockery of what I would be wanting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:04 PM
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Can't think of a worse fate than being deceived into a relationship with a man who views women according to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:01 PM
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I'm sure you can spot unsuccessful red pilled men. But those that actually learn? Yeah, not gonna happen. A very good reason to not date men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:39 PM
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This post exemplifies the black and white thinking that is very typical of this sub. By this logic, I could argue that height isn't a factor either, because x, y, and z short guys get women. Just because something isn't dispositive in and of itself doesn't mean it isn't a factor at all. Assholes can get girlfriends, particularly if they have factors to offset their assholishness. Or if they are ok with drawing certain types of often damaged women who will gravitate towards a toxic dynamic. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:36 AM
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As I don't want or desire casual sex with men, choosing not to date and to decenter men meant giving up future sex and intimacy with men. If you either cannot or don't want to pursue casual sex/pay for sex with women, you may be faced with a similar dilemma. Weigh the pros and cons and proceed accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:14 AM
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I'm not sure what the relevance of your comment is. You really think someone has to spend a lot of time thinking about bi people to be prejudiced?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:53 PM
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Fuck no. But unfortunately men trend more conservative. Tbh that's one of the many things that makes dating unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:42 PM
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Maybe it’s natures way of telling us don’t waste any resources there I doubt nature is telling us anything. More likely in many cases it's due to ingrained prejudice from living in a society that has long viewed anything even feminine adjacent, including being penetrated during sex, as inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:33 AM
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every abusive guy What do you mean by abusive? Do they try to coerce women into sex by threatening them with HR?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:04 AM
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Well thanks for providing evidence against OP's argument I suppose, by demonstrating what biphobia looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:02 AM
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It's rare for a man to legitimately reduce a woman to an object or feel like she is literally his property What do you base this on? How do you figure out accurately if it's rare or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:02 PM
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This is like saying if you need a car and buy the first one available you can’t love it or truly like it. Putting I aside the fact that comparing a woman to a car is a questionable analogy, I wouldn't love a car either way. I might like the one I could afford, but I'd still trade it out for the car I prefer as soon as I can. Or that if you really want a friend and get close with the first person that talks to you you are not really friends If I'm friends with person A because I can't become frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:25 PM
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This sub complains that women are too picky in dating, yet turns around and makes dating the average man seem about as desirable as a dirty diaper. Not sure how much they are helping their cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:20 PM
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Robust and well articulated rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:48 AM
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No one is stopping ya'll from being hateful goons if that is what you truly believe is the path to success. And I'll keep ruthlessly axing any man from my life who gives indication of being a red piller or misogynist. Sometimes, it can be hard to tell. Other times, they wear it on their sleeve and then cry that women are pretending to be mind readers when they're called out on their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:13 PM
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single > lukewarm relationships. That is the alternative. It's great if he wants to look at things that, way, but I would not want to be with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 06:46 PM
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That's great for him. Still would not want to waste time on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:40 PM
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I cannot imagine choosing a lukewarm relationship of any kind over being single. Single > lukewarm relationship. Relationships take too much time and investment to half ass it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:10 PM
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Cannot imagine a bigger waste of time than spending time on a dude who is with me because I have a pulse and a vagina and paid attention to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:44 PM
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It's not viewing women negatively, it's viewing the societal expectations and gendered expectations placed on men. And these expectations are enforced by both women and men. I mean, I would say that if you view women as possibly incapable of loving/respecting a man unless he makes more than her, as indicated in this statement: The only advice I could really give to a woman about this would be to not think less of your partner for earning less money than you. But I'm not sure what exactly brings …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 10:59 PM
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So then you have a very small pool of men. I'm not criticizing, but is it worth it to you to put in the effort to find this unicorn? Or are you more just open to a relationship if you do happen to find him? I found dating soul sucking, particularly if trying to find men who don't engage in behavior that the vast majority do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 09:51 PM
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I mean, that's the one I've found most men to fail. I'd say it's easier to find men who pass the first one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 09:32 PM
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Why do I have a knee jerk reaction to seeing women wanting men to watch no porn as being insecure? Because that's a societal narrative about women who don't want partners who watch porn? If you are a porn user yourself, turning to this societal narrative allows you to frame women who don't like this as being flawed while framing your own behavior as normal or even necessary. It deflects away from criticisms of porn or porn consumption by shifting the blame to the woman who doesn't like their par…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 09:27 PM
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If they pass the first, they're very likely to fail on number 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 09:09 PM
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I throw my whole heart into this shit, and in other peoples eyes, I'm still just trash, ultimately. Because I'm poor. I've basically given up with relationships, because I've realised that unless I can fix myself at least so that I can meet these social standards of a man, nothing I'll have will last. I won't be worth while until I can, but I don't think I'll be able to. And all I really wanted was something that'll last. What I continually don't understand about men in these spaces is; if you v…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 07:39 AM
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Ok, taking notes. Men need to go their own way...uh, until women stop taking pain killers. Got it. It is all becoming clear to me now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 07:32 AM
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if they are having sex *to* get romance, yes. Not if they view it as a part of romance they want to partake in.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 05:41 AM
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If one person is after sex and the other one wants romance, isn't romance from the one who wants sex just performative bullshit to get sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 04:42 AM
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Your response was clearly emotional. I didn't express an opinion on whether it was undue or not. But, given many of you claim to be logical by nature, it's worth noting. Unless you want the government to pretty much thought police people, it is just the way it is. And bear in mind that if you give the government that kind of power, it'll eventually use it on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:01 PM
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Nice straw man. As I said in the comment you emotionally responded to, it's for good reason that the government has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Even if you were correct that I view someone charged automatically as guilty - which I don't - my personal feelings do not and should not dictate the criminal justice system. But because of the high standard of proof, a not guilty verdict is far from a guarantee that the person did not commit the act charged. Not acknowledging that is frank…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:54 PM
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Assuming US law, most limitations on speech come from private entities, which are generally not bound by the first amendment. What you're advocating for is wider government restrictions on free speech which is an entirely different animal because the state holds the power to deprive someone of life, liberty, or property. There is good reason the government has to prove their charges against someone beyond a reasonable doubt and why government limitations on free speech are viewed under strict sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:29 PM
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Wouldn't that be chilling on free speech? That would be pretty much letting the government dictate speech on matters of guilt and innocence. Someone already opens themselves up to a civil suit for actual defamation. What if they were found civilly liable but not guilty in criminal court? Should the government still dictate speech on guilt and innocence?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:47 PM
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It means is that it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt which is a high burden of proof. Rightfully so to invoke the power of the state. But that is literally all it means. All it guarantees is that you won't be sentenced or get a criminal conviction on that charge. Most people are not going to continue to declare the person is guilty, but plenty may think it, and plenty more won't trust the person. Just as you wouldn't trust the woman in the hypothetical. It sucks for the few who are wrongf…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:52 PM
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An acquittal means someone isn't sentenced for a crime. It doesn't mean they didn't do it, and it doesn't tell people that they have to view the person as innocent in their every day lives or not blame them. So will you answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:08 PM
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If a woman was charged with murdering her husband, went to trial, and was acquitted because the jury had a reasonable doubt that she committed the crime; would you be quick to trust her? Should you be?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:00 AM
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Well now isn't that a handy dandy way to avoid criticism? "I feel your sex lacks in self awareness so I will dismiss any criticism towards my sex from someone within your sex." Do ya'll ever get tired of inventing new ways to shirk accountability and avoid criticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 01:34 AM
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However, women don't mind of men sleep around a lot and don't seem to think it will ruin their pair bonding abilities. I recognize that this is common rhetoric in these spaces. But this really isn't reflected in a lot of semi recent to recent studies which show both sexes express reluctance to get into a long-term relationship with someone who has an extensive sexual history. I personally do care if men sleep around a lot and and would not want to be in a relationship with such a man, should I e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:56 PM
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Average or above, usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:29 PM
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Being unwilling to date someone living with their parents while you do is a bullshit double standard. But hypocritical bullshit double standards exist on both sides. Also, she does have a kid, which is a relevant factor to consider and makes your circumstances realistically quite different. Will she be successful in getting what she wants out of dating? Maybe. But you're also assuming what she wants when she might ultimately be satisfied with a dude who is less "successful" than you imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:50 PM
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It was her choice to make it a public thing. It didn’t need to be. If his genitals were exposed to the public, then no. He made it public. The fact that she was the one to see it doesn't change his expectation of privacy. Sure, there's a factual question of whether or not he was actually exposed to public view, but odds are if you're naked near your open front door in town...people can probably see you. Windows also. Unless you're aware of facts that would make that unlikely. Ultimately, I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:51 PM
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Why was it wrong in your view tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:25 PM
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I mean even if he didn't sexually assault her, if she was posting pictures online because he sexually harassed her, then that's more than just because she doesn't like him. A shit ton of people won't believe her with evidence, much less without. Revenge porn is illegal. But is it revenge porn if he exposed his genitals in public view and thus has no reasonable expectation of privacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:25 PM
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Who is going to believe her without evidence? I mean, people are concocting wild scenarios even with evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:22 PM
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What law is it breaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:13 PM
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So what social consequences should sexual harassers face if they're openly exposing themselves in public? She didn't make him do that. She didn't take something in private and make it public.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:12 PM
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She is not the government and is not charging him with a crime. She's sharing what happened so he faces social consequences. What crime did she commit?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:11 PM
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So why soes someone who is sexually harassing another person deserve to have their privacy protected and not face social consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:54 PM
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I used gender neutral language and ya'll are still offended? How the fuck am I interrogating male sexuality? I'm criticizing a line of reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 01:19 PM
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Are masters who fuck their slaves treating their slaves like people? Is someone who rapes someone else treating their victim like they are human, that is, so long as they're not into beastiality? And before someone strawmans me - no. I'm not saying that any sexual interest is on par with rape or sexual slavery. But this line of reasoning--ie, sexual interest = treating someone like a person--is incredibly flawed and ignores very real behavior where humans treat other humans as objects for their …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 04:03 AM
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Why can't you speak to the manager?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:46 PM
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I don't expect shit. But tell me - why do wife goggles magically negate the effects of aging when men value youth so much, but don't negate the wife gaining 200 pounds? Because it's bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 07:19 PM
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Compelling arguments there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 05:26 AM
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it's the "until they won't" part of the sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 05:01 AM
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However many men do or don't - or whether you're lying or not, or at least believe yourself what you're saying - is irrelevant. The arguing that men will value and/or stay with their aging wives is just a prime of example of men admitting they are shallow...until they won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:07 AM
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Wife goggles are bullshit because men clearly become unattracted to their wives all of the time. And leave them. And cheat on them. But if he is choosing to value something that isn't beauty and youth in the moment, that is the same thing as arguing he suddenly stops being shallow. There is literally no *shallow reason to value "past" beauty and youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:27 AM
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I don't need or want my insecurities "placated"; you know your argument is shit if you have to try to make it personal. That's just a clear example of men admitting they are shallow...until they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:57 AM
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Prioritizing your wife suddenly due to "wife goggles" or whatever horse shit is arguing men will suddenly stop being shallow and not just value beauty and youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:53 AM
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Men admit it though Only until it makes them look bad. E.g., consider the endless threads around here where men are asked why marrying a man is worth it if men are attracted to youth. Many suddenly do a 180 and spin fantasies about how twu wuv will turn the future into sparkles and rainbows and suddenly, men won't be shallow anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:23 AM
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Idk, anything to justify not aborting every girl I might have cause I'd know she'd live knowing she'll always be useless in every way possible OP, do yourself a favor and stay away from the manosphere for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:00 AM
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't is exactly how prejudice works. Manosphere men are generally very prejudiced against women - ie misogynistic* - and no matter what you do, they won't really care. You can dance like a monkey to get their approval but they'll still turn on you and treat you like others in your group at any small provocation. Because, that's how prejudice works. You're part of the evil group. *Misogyny has had prejudice in its definition for over 20 years, it's not just about …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 10:11 PM
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None of the top answers give an answer I find compelling. You're apparently more easily impressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 04:43 AM
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Yup. Am I supposed to be impressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 04:31 AM
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No, that's a massive privacy violation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 02:05 AM
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They're never going to have a good answer to this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:04 AM
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I don't view it as impressive in the slightest, and a lot of low N count women do agree. Many of us don't want man whores and do not find them impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:57 AM
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Yeah but in a lot of cases women don't value virgin or low count men A lot of low N count or virgin women do, though. You can keep repeating the opposite narrative if you want. But similarly plenty of high N count men don't give a shit if their woman has a high N count. Yeah but most men aren't born hot enough for it to not take skill. Also its skill not manipulation. If he isn't lying to the woman you cant try to pretend he is doing something wrong. Also like i said before experience its typica…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 09:42 PM
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Men and women have difference preferences. Not really here. As I just said, I'm a low N count woman has a "preference" for no man whores because they have devalued sex with them by their actions. And while we (women) have it shoved down our throats since we are little girls that we can't hold men to any standards because they're apparently animals who cannot control themselves, a lot of low N count women similarly don't want a high N count man. Nothing wrong with a man preferring that while doin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 09:16 PM
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Which is why they try to shame men having that preference. Nah, I shame men for having this "preference" if they themselves are man whores because, as a low N count woman, imo they have devalued any sex with them by their actions, and it's disgusting that they feel entitled to experiences they don't want their partner to have. They should be with women who view sex similarly and not feel entitled to women who have not treated sex dismissively and casually.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:44 PM
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You're right, I should have used smaller words. Apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:54 AM
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The more specifics you give, the less people can relate. As such, to manipulate the masses, Barnum statements that many people can emotionally relate to are going to be your best bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:53 AM
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I love this. Modern women are indeed allergic to accountability. Well you know, just trying to keep up with modern men who have hallucinated a whole ass fantasy world to shirk accountability for literally any shitty thing that they do and cry that it's the fault of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:45 AM
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I mean I don't respect red pill/manosphere men out the gate so...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:19 AM
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Ah, and the illogical virtue signaling commences. Their wife isn't one of the nasty post wall hags they shit on constantly. They pwomise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:35 AM
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You have a niche preference that many women don't share and so you imagine that most women are lying about what they find attractive or that they find their partners attractive? Do you have any other reason for believing this? I mean I'm sure it happens. But just because you find another woman's man ugly doesn't mean she does, as your niche preference would be found unattractive to a lot of women. For me personally, attraction is not the first thing I would be sacrificing, as there are quite a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:16 PM
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Finding someone undesirable is not the same as having contempt for someone. For example, I find all women undesirable, but I don't have contempt for all women. This is ass backwards reasoning and ya'll really need to stop conflating "would not fuck" with "views with contempt." Contempt comes from someone's shitty behavior, it does not seem from a lack of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:03 PM
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So long as you're logically consistent and dutifully tolerate contempt others may have for ya'll due to your nastiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:48 PM
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Personally I'd be a lot more concerned with his reaction to, rather than his reasons why, being a late virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 05:05 AM
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More like too many porn heads and misogynists to sort through.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:42 PM
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For men who think this poorly of women as a group: a long-term relationship with your right hand is probably going to make everyone happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 06:33 AM
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Scenario B. That's honestly pretty close to what I've chosen to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:10 PM
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I don't assume that's how all men voted here, even some of the nastiest. There are a lot of misogynistic liberal men. But plenty have openly admitted to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:31 PM
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If someone votes for a party they think has the best chance of harming you and rolling back your rights for that very reason, have they wronged you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:24 PM
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Again, if that's true, I'd argue there's no value in romantic relationships with men, so let's tear down the facade.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:17 PM
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If that is so, I'd argue that having a romantic relationship with a man is of zero value. Thus, might as well save every one the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:09 PM
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I agree most people have the capacity for empathy. I just don't think a lot of posters here care about losing support from people who are a part of the group they've othered.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:19 AM
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Ok. How do we get groups of people who don't like or respect each other to have empathy for each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:04 AM
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If men got shorter every time they had casual sex, you don't think that would drastically change their approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 05:38 AM
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Ah yet another women should only be free to do what I want them to post that threatens loss of female rights and/or violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:23 AM
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I'd say there are politically liberal women who were raised with the expectation that the man would propose and are emotionally attached to the idea regardless of political beliefs. However, don't kid yourself; conservative women and women who don't identify as feminists can absolutely hate men while holding onto overall traditional ideas about how gender relations should go. But really, without further context such as links to some of these posts you've seen, it's hard to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:34 PM
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My experience has similarly been that progressive leaning men can have quite regressive expectations in relationships and conservative views on women. Much easier to talk the talk than to walk the walk. But no, when I say I'm all for getting rid of gender roles, I'm all for getting rid of both male and female gender roles. Unfortunately, many men and women disagree with me. I don’t blame these red pillers for going rogue. Humans can always find excuses to be hateful and bigoted towards another g…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:48 AM
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Nah, choose better bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:34 PM
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Two things. First, being more likely to be judged for showing weakness is one of the side effects of your gender role. Now I'm all for dismantling gender roles. But for dudes who are looking for a submissive wifey that will follow his lead, suck it up buttercup. It's just part of the gig. Second, ya'll need to stop putting up with annoying behavior from women and then expecting women to tolerate your similarly annoying behavior. If a woman is an insecure mess who can't handle her shit, then dump…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:57 AM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:47 PM
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I went back and reread your OP to see if I misunderstood it. But I didn't. You were talking about things such as: There used to be a kind of interpersonal level checking of each other's sexual behavior among women, that took place autonomously without men's direct input. Or And it seems like that kind of femininity has been purged, and its absence has opened the space up for these kinds of men to claim the kind of moral authority that used to belong to somebody's aunt that told them to close the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:23 PM
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So, make sure other women are preemptively complying with what men want them to do before men do something worse? No thanks. If men cannot handle female freedom, then we as a species honestly don't really deserve to survive and I'm not interested in facilitating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:13 PM
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So you want to go back to treating women as sex slaves?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:52 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:33 AM
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Again, apparently to some, as many men on this forum routinely mistake their feelings for logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:20 AM
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For women who do that, you really think they're going to argue it was the logical choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:18 AM
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Women generally aren't the ones mistaking their feelings as logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:13 AM
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Very emotionally driven in their voting decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:11 AM
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If you have an opinion on the appropriate level of empathy* towards women who hate men, why don't you have one on men who hate women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 01:21 AM
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Ya'll are just determined to make a world without men look more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 01:12 AM
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What's the appropriate amount of empathy to show towards men who hate women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 01:01 AM
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You are trying to make the argument that at least a majority of women genuinely find average men attractive. No actually I'm not. Stop fighting against strawmen. It makes arguments a lot less irritating. I'm arguing that a woman saying she finds someone you consider to be a "Chad" ugly is not lying just because he gets a lot of attention from women. That's asinine. Let's say 75% of women find "Chad" A hot and 25% find him ugly. He's still going to get a lot of female attention. Hence, a woman sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:08 AM
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as often as they do hot men, The fuck? A "Chad" being found hot by many but not every woman in no way necessitates this illogical line of reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:39 PM
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Because you're lying. We observe with our own eyes how those men are the ones who get pussy the easiest, from the hottest women and without paying for it. Just because you are unable to conceive of women as individuals does not mean they are lying. Certain men being attractive to many women and thus getting a lot of female attention does not mean that every woman on the planet finds him hot. Plenty of women fuck or swoon over men that I find to be ugly ass mutherfuckers. On the flip side, dudes …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:29 PM
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Of course you "can." There's no logical inconsistency. And it doesn't place anyone into a "double bind" as it does not create two irreconcilable demands. Neither is demanding anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:00 PM
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Why can't you be repulsed by something while also thinking that thing gives someone an advantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:39 PM
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Many guys could unemotionally have sex with a random prostitute without loving their wife any less but it’s just not that societally acceptable That's not something I'd recognize as "love," and certainly nothing I'd value receiving, no matter what his feelz were on the inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:28 PM
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What percentage of women do you thing would be sexually attracted to a man that's bad looking, poor hygiene, boring, insecure, needy, backbone-lacking and a NEET, but has a heart of gold and is deeply sensitive and sweet? Would you? Few and no. Do you really think many women would say otherwise? But for a man who isn't dogshit ugly, poor hygiene, etc., his kind sweet nature could increase or awaken a woman's attraction for him, as could a number of traits in combination. As per usual with RP men…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:20 PM
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I dismiss the opinions that go against the actions of the people stating said opinions. No, you dismiss the opinions of someone based upon sex and based upon the alleged actions of others within those sex regardless of how the speaker behaves. But if you're adamant about me basing this in anecdotal evidence, please tell me the most sold book of the past decade. A book that I have not read and have no interest in reading. Yet you and your cohort will dismiss my opinions due to the actions of othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:07 PM
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You can safely dismiss the opinion of anyone that has a good reason to lie. Then you should also be dismissing the opinions of successful men. After all, they have reason to keep a wider pool of women available to themselves and mislead less fortunate men into ongoing singlehood, don't you think? As such, the statement about listening to a fisherman but not the fish is erroneous for the same reason you're dismissing the statement from the "fish " Ultimately, everyone can lie and has reasons to. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:57 PM
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It's devaluing (to its correct value) women's advice on something they have many reasons to lie about. Yet another statement devaluing women's opinions based upon sex alone. I'm personally not such a bigot to dismiss male opinions on something based upon their sex alone even if I think they have many reasons to lie about it. Or to assume that I can more accurately speak to the male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:47 PM
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No matter how you phrase it, it's just the same old tactic to devalue women's opinions. When forming my opinions on men or male attraction, I recognize that listening to both men and women has value. Because I'm not as much of a bigoted asshat that most manospherians are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:22 PM
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If you have to ask, and you're only in it for you, you're not a nice person. Point blank. Probably lacking in basic empathy also.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 12:27 AM
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Uh no, it doesn't. At best, even assuming the experiment went the way you assume, it means that ugly dudes may have to put on a mask for longer than their better looking counter parts. That doesn't make them good people and does not guarantee they won't be an abusive asshole later on. Nor does it mean that there is incentive for good looking guys to be shitty. Unless, of course, you're arguing that men at their baseline are shitty and only act better in attempt to get pussy. And if that's your a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 07:54 PM
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That experiment does nothing to show that "good" men are usually ugly, regardless of the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:53 PM
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Because good men are usually ugly. If this sub is anything to go by, this theory holds absolutely no water lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:38 PM
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King is a no for me. Would need to have more info about the peasant to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:25 AM
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Why is it bad for men to have hypocritical preferences if it’s not bad for women? Oh really? That's news. The obese woman who has a "preference" for fit men isn't going to be mocked or viewed negatively by many? Or the woman who expects to be free from her gender roles while holding men to theirs isn't going to piss off a lot of people due to the double standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:45 AM
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Vast, vast majority of these comments are circle jerking. Not much of a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:42 PM
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Some dude being willing to stick his dick into me because he's a horndog who would fuck a couch is worth 0 value. So-- would you rather be them? Would be literally no worse off because 0 value is 0 value.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:55 AM
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Adam. Last guy I dated was 5"6, and, cheating aside as it's a deal breaker in and of itself, I wouldn't like the power imbalance that would come from being with a rich dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 06:15 AM
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also being his cook, cleaner, and emotional support system on top of paying your half. While 50/50 relationships may not work out at 50/50, in theory he should also be your cook, cleaner, and emotional support system in addition to paying half. Can he be pregnant for 20 weeks of the 40? No. · Can he split the physical trauma of childbirth with you? No. · Can he breastfeed? No. But he can counterbalance the burden of pregnancy by assuming a greater burden of other tasks, etc., while his partner i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 08:07 PM
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Dude there are multiple studies that show female surgeons give better outcomes. Not just one, so arguing on how you think one study fails is not very compelling. For example, this study also indicated improved outcomes from female surgeons comparing outcomes for only cholecystectomies. Similarly, this study concluded that "[a]fter accounting for patient, surgeon, and hospital characteristics, patients treated by female surgeons had a small but statistically significant decrease in 30 day mortali…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:44 PM
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That's a lot of assumptions. Animals capable of asexual reproduction certainly don't indicate that this would be inevitable. In a type of asexual lizard that are all females, one will briefly assume a male role for pseudocopulation, but next time the other one might assume the male role. Perhaps humans would have evolved as you have stated. Or perhaps humans would have evolved in an entirely different direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:55 AM
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Seeing men as a problem is the problem When it comes to problems with or threats to women's rights, they are literally the only problem. Men are the only thing that create a threat to women's autonomy based upon sex, for example. but in my question I said rights and that sadly covers that the woman even got the chance to decide if the woman had a chance to kill that baby or even touch Again, they can threaten women's autonomy, as we have been over multiple times. Just like you can threaten someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:47 AM
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The concept of human rights are deeply rooted in philosophy and widely considered innate. If something is innate, it cannot be given, only taken away. But even putting that aside, issues with women rights are almost always about restricting women's autonomy in society. To use the OP's example, "Hey, let's just treat them like objects and breeding cattle." If all men dropped dead, this would no longer even be a potential threat, as would other restrictions on autonomy based upon sex. So women's b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:40 AM
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Yes there was, because men again, can threaten the baseline. But if men had all dropped dead long ago and women evolved to allow for asexual reproduction, a women's rights movement never would have been needed. Because the baseline would have been allowed to flourish without the outside threat. Men are the problem, not the solution. Of course, you could also say men only ever exist because women allow them to, rather than killing them when they are babies, as men all start out helpless to their …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:30 AM
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Your question is if women have rights because men allow it. I said no, the baseline (as in status absent men) is women having rights. Men can only threaten it, not give.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:24 AM
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I didn't "miss" the main theme. Someone disagreeing with you is not "missing" your theme. Use logic, not your emotions. Just because you can take someone's life doesn't mean you gave them life. Ergo, if you can take someone's rights, that does not mean you "give" them their rights. Women raping other women has nothing to do with threatening women's rights. That's a shit example. And any way in which women would harm or discriminate against each other if men all suddenly died would necessarily be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:18 AM
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growing up not having freedom and being socialized into that mindset is an entirely different animal to knowing what freedom was like and having it taken away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:11 AM
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Men don't give women their rights, men are the only reason women have a threat to their rights. No men = no one threatening women's rights based upon sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:07 AM
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"Indeed, even when controlling for many variables, including procedure type, anesthetist, and duration of surgery, large registry studies have shown that care provided by female surgeons has been linked to less postoperative complications and lower costs of care." As noted in the link above, some prior smaller studies compared cardiothoracic surgeons, not plastic surgeons to brian surgeons. You're actually just making up shit. Edit: fixed link
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:36 PM
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like surgical specialties Quantity is not quality. Large studies support women offer better surgical outcomes to their patients than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 07:30 PM
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Tbh I think it's because a lot of men want to ride on the coattails of better men to pretend that they are superior to women by virtue of having a dick when they suck ass at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 05:24 AM
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I’ve literally never seen a man not take no for an answer Unless you date dudes, I have no idea why you think you would have seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 03:11 PM
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So the women who say what you believe are speaking the gospel truth, but the women who say something different are lying...? Like why do you expect the women of PPD to answer for a different group of women? Also, why are you linking and image rather than the actual post?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:14 PM
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A number of men in the manosphere are left leaning politically, including a number who comment here. They absolutely can be misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 04:39 PM
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Not a bot, or glorifying being single. It's a fact that being so desperate that you think any relationship is better than being single puts you at an increased risk for a very bad relationship that can fuck you up further. Sure, for many people a good or at least decent relationship is better than being single. However, that doesn't mean that any relationship is better than none. We physiologically as humans cannot be happy single and isolated, getting no sex, having no social support or safety …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 11:32 AM
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At least they can end up with a partner I guarantee you that some men who end up with a partner will be much worse off than men who don't. This desperation is unfortunately something that could result in an increased risk of ending up in an abusive relationship that could screw your (the general you) life even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 07:43 AM
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If you've been accused of being single due to being a misogynist, you were quite likely acting like a misogynistic ass hat. The interactions often go something like this. Incel: "WOMEN ARE GOLD DIGGING WHORES AND ARE INCAPABLE OF LOVE." Other commenter: "Wow yeah, no wonder you're single." And because the incels talking the loudest online are virulent misogynists, people may extrapolate to the whole. Does it affect their dating chances? Probably, though it's probably in tandem with other factors…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:01 PM
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And you're making the same thinking error that a lot of women make. "Ohh he won't treat me like that. I'm special." Yet he always does eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 05:17 PM
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I agree that there is no purpose in one side only showing empathy. It's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 06:01 AM
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This is blatantly false. So tell me, is it only good men that get relationships or not? The narrative shifts whenever it's convenient to ya'll. No, empathy for "women" is not necessary to have a romantic relationship with one absent threats. Will it help with some women? Sure. But mostly what you're describing is trying to make that one woman happy which is not empathy for "women." Nor do women have a "privilege" of keeping an actual relationship with a man without caring about whether he's happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 05:25 PM
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Exactly. So why should women develop empathy for men who have none for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 05:08 PM
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I don't think men "owe" women empathy, but if men are going to pontificate about how women are causing their own problems by lack of empathy, maybe they ought to look in the mirror, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:33 AM
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Why would the social bonds have to be with men? Because your incentive structure makes procreating even less desirable than it already is. Especially if women knew it was to coerce them to pair up with men - the resentment would be heavy and misandrist sentiments would significantly increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:59 PM
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You completely made that up No I didn't. I base it on over 10 years of observation of the manosphere. And it's rare to see manospherians advocating for men as opposed to bitching about and threatening women due to lack of access to sex they feel entitled to. Such as this post, which threatens women with subjugation due to your woes with the current dating market. Manospherians will sometimes bitch about other things, sure. But often because they're resentful towards women for not getting sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:48 AM
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The pills are largely driven by desire for pussy, not widespread abuse, as evidenced by the fact that despite real issues men face, manosphere dudes spend most of their time whining about the standards they perceive women having. A majority of dumbass white women voted for Trump also. So why do you think that the explanation for Trump winning etc is that women are abusing men en masse? That's really sufficient evidence to support your bonkers theory? You can't disprove that a giant cat made out …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:03 PM
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Women spread lies and false rumors about sexually unattractive men, assassinate their character, falsely accuse them of sexual harassment and sa, sick other people on them, lure them into loveless, exploitative relationships that inevitably end with them cheating and/or weaponizing the rigged family and criminal courts against those men, and so on And you base this upon...? Quite the conspiracy theory you've got going on there, given most of the time women aren't even thinking about these men, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:54 PM
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Oh really? Have any evidence that 95% of them think they're being abused by the men on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:19 AM
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Please. Again with the bad faith framing. Autonomy isn't coercion, threatening is coercion. We have been through this before. They are welcome to withdraw but they don't do it they just threaten the dickpocalypse because they're trying to coerce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:42 AM
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No, they don't. They mostly ignore them. Mean comments online are not abuse. The constant misogynistic vitriol spewed by men on here, for example, does not warrant me saying that women are being "abused" by said comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:33 AM
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Oh please. They're criticized for threatening to burn down society constantly because they can't get pussy. They're free to withdraw any time they like, they just want to keep throwing tantrums and try to coerce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:09 AM
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You're blaming women for men hurting them... because women chose wrong? Men are the only group that can be oppressed by minding your own business and not fucking them lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:55 AM
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Ya'll really cannot seem to conceive of people who view the world differently than you. If someone says something that doesn't jive with your worldview - you always jump to the "you're lying" or "no you actually want X." Such a comfortable place to be in to always be able to assume that if someone says something that doesn't fit with your worldview, they're lying. Maybe just try recognizing that not everyone shares the same views same as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:04 PM
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Look at that, more manosphere projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:41 AM
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Okay, well men should stfu up about bad experiences they've had with women. They should stop projecting their negative experiences on others. Constantly blaming women for everything embarrassing ass victim-complex individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:43 AM
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Says the dude arguing that men aren't accountable for their actions. Edit: his robust defense of his position was to block me lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:15 PM
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Spinning plates takes active manipulation. Orbiters and simps show up for pretty women no matter what they do. Not remotely equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:31 PM
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To answer your question: Appearance and youth are the MAIN things men look for initially in a woman. BUT what you’re forgetting is that we also fall in love and appreciate the other things a woman can offer like raising a family together, support in the ways she can, and being a kind and sweet person. I'm not forgetting anything. If a woman was with a man mainly for his money, is she going to stick around when his money's gone? Besides, if you’ve been married for 15+ years, most men don’t have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:50 PM
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I pick option C - you're shitty at understanding basic logic. If the main thing men value are appearance and youth and they were honest about it, they wouldn't tell a woman to "lock down" a man young they'd tell her "yeah we will only value you for a short time before what we value about you fades." Telling a woman to lock down a man when she is young benefits men who want to extract the value of young women, not the woman who spent her youth locked to someone who will be looking to chase younge…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:11 PM
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In the context of this conversation it matters because if OP is seeking the answer to whether or not a relationship is worth it, getting a skewed view of men by listening to a particularly shitty subset of men isn't going to give her a genuine, clear answer for choices she needs to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:54 AM
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Rather than get in the battle of the anecdotes, I'll just note that shitty people can have success. Doesn't mean they aren't shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:28 AM
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Red pill men at best don't respect women and at worst actively despise them. OG red pill dehumanizes and infantilizes women while theorizing how men can best get sex out of women ("spinning plates"). More recently, a lot of self-proclaimed red pill men are actually black pillers who deeply despise women. This is not a group upon which you want to base your viewpoints of men on as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:26 AM
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OP, I have personally don't find relationships worth it. But may I suggest that this is possibly the worst forum to be seeking answers to this question on? Red pill men are some of the shittiest out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:16 AM
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If they were as honest as you say about those factors being the main thing that mattered, they'd stop trying to gaslight women into marrying early, stop virtue signalling on posts about "oh yeah I totally wouldn't leave my wife although 20 year olds are the most attractive" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:12 AM
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The difference is men acknowledge that the main thing most men care about is appearance and youth. And then they somehow think that despite this, there is any value in committing long-term to a man. Odd, that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:37 AM
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If essentially any, or many, woman will do to fill the "woman" hole in your life, you're sure as shit not valuing her for herself. She's a placeholder. I never said it was only about their body, but be real. A lot of attention women get is purely due to men trying to get sex and does not mean they value or respect women at all. So trying to use men pursuing women as an example of women being valued for themselves is straight bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:26 AM
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All I’m hearing is because the few times you did raise your voice nothing happened. You just stopped which means you’re actually aren’t interested in doing the philosophically or morally right thing. You’re just interested in results, which is morally bankrupt. You shouldn’t stop good behavior because people don’t listen, you should keep going on good behavior because it’s the right thing to do and hopefully someone will listen. Your answer is just to quit, which is incorrect in terms of all of …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:24 AM
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I never made any arguments about how people should or should not be valued for who they are. I said men wanting to fuck women and pursue them does not mean they love or value them for "who they are" as OC argued. So....the relevance of your comment to mine is...?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:01 AM
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I have no issue telling my friends what I think bro. I had a friend who was interested in a guy and refused to approach him because she thought the man should, and I told her that was ridiculous. You know what that didn't do? Change her mind. She never approached him despite me encouraging her multiple times. She is now married to a man who did approach her. What my personal actions aren't going to do is hold "women" as a group accountable. Nor am I going to bully myself or other women into appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:57 AM
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Nah, they're not equivalent. If you don't like your options, like I didn't, then your option is to opt out of dating. Even if your complaints are valid. Tough shit. It's not equivalent to the ChOoSe BeTtEr because people self-righteously spewing this rhetoric usually really have no fucking clue what decisions said person made in their relationship or if they made the best decisions they could have at the time. Not to mention, it serves as a way to shield men from having any accountability over t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:44 AM
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holding women accountable to actually change along with gender roles, your solution is just to have a standoff between men and women for whoever folds first has to ask the other out. No, my solution is to remind you that you can make your own damn decisions and aren't being made to do anything. I can't "hold women accountable" - certainly not more so than the men who will apparently cave and date women whose behavior they despise because they are desperate and have no backbone or boundaries. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:33 AM
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Women are loved and valued for who they are Absolutely ridiculous statement. The fact that men will fuck a turnip and thus chase someone for their body parts in no way means they are valued and loved for "who they are." Often just a convenient placeholder for a female body.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:44 PM
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You don't "have" to do shit. If you don't think pursuing women is worth it, that's totally fine. Just don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:41 PM
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My dude, plenty of men will lie their asses off to get sex, including even living a double life sometimes lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:33 PM
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Give me liberty or give me death. If female freedom is dooming society, let it burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:29 AM
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Delulu
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:21 AM
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Nope, not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:19 AM
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Ohh, don't worry OP. Men on this sub have solved this conundrum in the past. They'll always be lusting after young women, but they'll settle for you seeing most cannot get a 19 year old. If you give them your youth, they might not even run off with a younger woman if given the chance! Isn't that everything you could ever want?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 11:06 AM
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Then quit threatening and just do it ffs. Better tbh to be dead than have to live under the boot of lunatics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:15 AM
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Men do offer things in a romantic relationship. The question you have to figure out for yourself is whether what they offer in a romantic relationship is worth the downsides versus just obtaining what they offer through other means. Of course, many people have a strong desire to pursue sex and relationships, and will continue to do so even if it objectively makes them more unhappy. Never know, maybe the next one will work out. Or maybe you'll just have ended up wasting your time. Edit: to note, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:52 AM
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The majority of non sexual assault and murder victims of men are other men. So, yeah, shitty men do indeed harm other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:33 PM
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At least in the imagination of the manosphere which constantly tries to frame men as helpless babies who have no agency and are never to blame for their own damn actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:32 PM
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ya'll wouldn't know what accountability was if it came up and slapped you in the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:47 AM
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And cause they hurt women not men. Crime statistics don't agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:45 AM
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IMO weddings are generally the much bigger and more pointless waste of money. Absolutely insane how much people will spend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:09 AM
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When I use the word misogyny, I'm using it to refer broadly to anti-woman beliefs or behavior, consistent with the dictionary definition. Following the dictionary definition, hatred of or aversion to are not required, but are independently sufficient to meet the definition of misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:29 AM
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"hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women." Emphasis on the or. The hatred of or aversion to are not required. Prejudice alone is sufficient. Not to mention, while chauvinism is a form of prejudice, OC admitted other kinds of prejudice have been present by including both chauvinism and prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:14 AM
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I literally just provided the dictionary definition of misogyny which you're trying to redefine. The quote was to highlight OC admitted prejudice was present, which I note you failed to address.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:03 AM
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So misogyny gets thrown around without people understanding the word. Speaking of ... According to Miriam Webster, the definition of misogyny is "hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women." So explain to how: Chauvinism and prejudice against, definitely Are present but misogyny isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 11:39 PM
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Which means absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:22 PM
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Cheating is similarly entirely legal and scumbag behavior. So your argument is not compelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:21 PM
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Who gives a shit? There are plenty of immoral or gross things that aren't illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:18 PM
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Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:08 PM
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I have yet to see a compelling or convincing answer to this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:42 PM
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And your argument based upon that is...?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 05:08 PM
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Not that big of an if, and more of a given than men who certainly won't be as attracted to their partner as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 04:37 PM
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This isn't equivalent. If a woman is attracted to her partner initially, she will be as he ages. Whereas men's attraction to their aging partner will inevitably go down.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 04:09 PM
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Can't say that I have any evidence that most mothers do that. But it's a whole other level of crazy to limit yourself in your child's life to get back at trolls online hating on single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:21 PM
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Because most mothers aren't unhinged enough to use their children as bargaining chips in an online gender war?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 06:59 PM
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If you're that fucking clueless, google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:31 AM
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No. People trying to threaten or intimidate someone else to force them to give up autonomy over their body is insane. If these dudes just didn't want to contribute, they wouldn't be using it as a threat. But they are. Because they're trying to coerce. And negotiating with such unhinged behavior is never the answer. So again. Let these fuckers put their money where their mouth is and let society burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:17 AM
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You responded by moving the goal posts. OC gave an example that disproves OP's argument unless you grant pets are needs, so you moved the goal posts on what they have to show.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:23 AM
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Moving the goal posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:08 AM
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Your stance makes the system the terrorist Speaking of insanity. In what fucking way was I advocating for the "system" to do any fucking thing? I said it's better to let society burn than for women to go back to being de facto sex slaves to men. Nowhere did I say anything about making the little mensies do anything. In this scenario, they're the ones burning down society because they're going off and pouting because they don't get the pussy they want. I'm just sick of the threats and manipulatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:41 PM
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If women threatened or insinuated societal collapse for not getting access to dick they would be properly called terrorists. When the options are 1) burning down society or; 2) one half of the species sacrificing something as fundamental as autonomy over their own body for the other, number 1 is the superior option. If we are this fucked up as a species, perhaps we don't deserve to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:23 AM
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Depends. But 30 year old women preying on 18 year old boys are creepy, just like 30 year old men preying on 18 year old girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 08:15 PM
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If I responded to everything on this sub I disagreed with I'd do nothing else. The OC was particularly illogical so that is why I responded to that comment. But as for your victim narrative that women are all out as group to get men, I certainly will challenge women. I had one woman on this sub even delete her account after she freaked the fuck out in an argument I had with her. You're seeing what you want to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 07:50 PM
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I'm not mad, that's projection my dude. And I don't fully agree with OP, no. Sounds like you're getting mad at a fantasy. Men choosing not to date is perfectly fine, but then they're not the target audience. Just like I as a woman who has chosen to date wouldn't be the target audience for a reverse post.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 07:31 PM
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Commenting on a post and not agreeing with you is fueling animosity how...?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 06:17 PM
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Fantastic. Then they're not struggling in dating because they're not dating so this post doesn't really address those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:16 PM
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Compromising is only worth it when the result isn't a net negative. If you're more unhappy in a relationship than out, why would you force yourself to be in one?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:15 PM
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Moralistic values wont change anything or anyone But they help me judge who is a PoS and who isn't. People need to live so they do what they must to get on living. And sex is not up to debate. Sex isn't a need. Screaming that its immoral that a circle is not a square is not gonna help anything and is the definition of a lost cause Moral condemnation can change people. And again, at the very least, it helps me judge who is a piece of shit. Be a better person, learn to talk to individuals in a non…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:12 PM
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Okay but why are you assuming that women bring value to men's lives? Possibly because they're obsessed with getting women? Or are men irrational enough that they obsess over something that is a net negative? If women don't bring value to your life, the easiest choice is to just not date. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 10:44 AM
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Either every single man is a hidden misogynist It is pretty damn common, but you're a biased reporter and don't speak for all men. but do women actually wanna be lied to? To be told they are loved when despised? No but if you feel that way about women, you have no right to their bodies. Just use your hand bro. So why not just learn to be actual conversationalists and interesting people? Why just not be a bigoted asshole and learn to appreciate people who are different from you as people? A lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 04:06 AM
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So men do the only socially acceptable thing they can to deal with women. They restrict their interactions with women to the essentials (and it happens that sex is one such essential). Tbh that's even worse. At least misogynistic gay men have the decency to leave women alone and not use their body parts while disliking them as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 02:43 AM
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If the only thing stopping men from causing societal collapse was guaranteed pussy, then I say, let it burn. We all die anyway. And life is too short to negotiate with terrorists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:19 AM
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I don't want to support you cause? This is your own damn cause if you, for example, dislike how male sexuality is viewed. If you don't mind how it's viewed, great. But if you do and you're unwilling to call other men out who are perpetuating negative viewpoints about male sexuality, don't whine when women agree with said men who paint a negative view of male sexuality. Personally, when other women are spewing misogyny, I don't wait around for men to call them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:55 PM
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Even if taking these precautions, they'll still be blamed if something happens to them. Particularly in the manosphere, where this tired rhetoric is constantly used to shield men from any accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:52 AM
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Why would it be desirable to have the attention of someone who is just as happy with a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 10:03 AM
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be able to get validation, attention and dates with decent people you find attractive with little to no effort? Why is there any value or validation getting attention from people who'd fuck almost anyone with a vagina?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:24 AM
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Seems pretty consistent with a desire to "possess, to own, to dominate."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 06:26 AM
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Cause they'll fuck people they don't respect or even hate. Many men will stick their dick into essentially anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 06:24 AM
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This is simply incorrect. I'm sure you can find that, but for a lot of women there are a lot of men they're not attracted to who they're either just neutral about, not paying much attention to, or appreciate as friends and colleagues.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:29 PM
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Not wanting to date someone = \ = to not viewing someone as human. Yet, dudes in these circles routinely conflate the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:11 AM
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Not expecting sympathy, stating a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:52 AM
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But it seems like women tend to think that that entails more positive feelings than it tends to. I wouldn't say positive feelings, but recognizing someone's humanity involves recognizing a certain degree of complexity inherent to being human. Which many of these men don't do. They seem to swing from an incredibly naive view of women, as a group with little nuance, in their youth as perfect angels to viewing women as demons from hell once they can't follow a quest that has a woman as a reward at …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:51 AM
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They don't view women as people, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:56 AM
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A lot of men in these comments underestimate how much many men will get insecure about their long-term partner out earning them, particularly if it's significant. One study suggests men are most comfortable when their wives are earning 40% of what they earn: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0146167219883611
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:21 PM
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But she's still doing better than having zero all the time> In what world is having a bunch of options you don't want wasting your time from looking for an option you do want, and lying to you, etc., doing better than having zero all time? What specifically is "better" about that? How is that any different from straight men getting hit on by only gay men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:39 AM
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I'm sure a lot of the options available to women are not desirable, but at least some will be (otherwise, why even bother looking for a partner or being on the apps if you believe the opposite?). This is poor logic. Before you try something, you don't know what kind of results you'll get. Someone willing to try dating apps doesn't mean they are actually going to get results they desire, which appears to be your only argument as to why the sub group of men interested in a particular woman (a) mus…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:04 AM
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"All straight men" is not the same group as men giving a particular woman attention, and I'm not sure it's a safe assumption that the men giving a woman attention will include men she is interested in, but it will include men misrepresenting himself as someone she might be interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:23 AM
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Same reason most dudes here don't see pretty, feminine gay men as a viable alternative option.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:02 PM
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Are you capable of actually defending your positions with logic rather than making shit up and spewing meaningless rhetoric?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:39 AM
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Cracks me up when manospherians make shit up and strut around like peacocks as tho they actually made a point, as opposed to actually defending their positions with logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:31 AM
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...and? I mean you went from arguing that women can get what they want from men easier than men can get what they want from women, to arguing "well even if you could get what you want it would still be [this totally unrelated thing]."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:13 AM
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You're stating a conclusion, not an argument. If men were more selective and wouldn't happily fuck Mary, Sue, and Peggy across the street as well Pam, Sally, and Kate from work, male attention would certainly mean more than it does now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:50 AM
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it’s easier for women to get what they want from men On the contrary. Male thirst is part of the reason I am unable to get what I would "want" from men, as it renders male sexual attention valueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:43 AM
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So then why don't options for men to have sex with other men count? Edit: they're "jobs." Just jobs you don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:19 AM
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The pizza delivery boy is powerful? And you're assuming what physical traits I like, which are incorrect lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:03 PM
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You realize your comment isn't really responding to what I was disagreeing with OC on? If I find a man hot, I'll find him hot if he's a pizza delivery driver or an engineer. He'll lose some points for being a lawyer. While my type of man is considered undesirable by this sub, my comment never stated anything about looks being or not being important.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:19 PM
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No amount of manipulation from their ends will get me to believe that isn’t OMEGA level cope. Fair. While I support a woman's choice to live how she wants, no amount of manipulation will make me view grown ass women who want to be carried through life by a man and must find a partner who is "superior" are anything short of extremely pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:35 PM
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My criticism of OP did not rely on whether or not she's correct about the average woman. Seeing you think the way she does, no shit you'll think she's correct. She was whining about other women she disagreed with and trying to claim that they were giving incorrect opinions about what "we" are attracted to. She cannot state what "we" are attracted to. She can give an opinion on what she thinks the average woman is attracted to, but that's not what she did. Edit: and I mean, if you block out or ce…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:40 PM
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I mean, I'm just using the correct term for having sex with someone for their money. Nothing cope about that, it's reality. No one said prostitutes can't have a second job.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:15 PM
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I mean, if that's how the average woman thinks, then we won't need OC whining about the women who disagree because most will agree with her. So no, just because you agree with how she thinks women think does not mean she can speak for the average woman. Women can speak for themselves as individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:14 PM
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Sounds better than being a glorified prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:03 PM
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Quit trying to speak for "women." It's distasteful AF. I personally am turned off by "powerful" men who are "better than me." Can't think of a more miserable existence than tying myself to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:57 PM
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You want to deconstruct masculinity and yet chivalry is a core value of masculinity, great job ladies. Good, it's outdated and fake. Look, we know that you feel entitled to your vampire-werewolf multibillionaire CEO walking red flag simulator but please, leave normal dudes out of this Almost no one does - thinking this way is a brain rot symptom that shows you spend too much of your time watching rage bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:21 AM
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I mean you make a claim and your source is "trust me bro." I don't know if it's true, but you certainly don't give people a reason to believe it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:11 AM
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Ok then, by your logic, a lot of women aren't hypergamous because they can't lock down a man of higher status. Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:49 PM
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What you want to say Nope. So if someone would be hypergamous if they could be but doesn't date or marry up purely due to a lack of opportunity, they're magically not hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 03:15 PM
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You're dodging the question and making up shit. If a man would marry up if given the opportunity, why is he magically not hypergamous just because he doesn't have the opportunity?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:29 AM
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But the average woman is still able to pull an above average man You can find examples both ways. hypergamy is marrying up so not being able to get 6’6 multi billionaire doesn’t mean you’re not hypergamous. And yet somehow you're arguing that someone who would marry up if they could ("average" men who want Stacy) but doesn't have the opportunity to is magically not hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:11 AM
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That's like saying that because Chad doesn't want the average woman, she's not hypergamous. How does that make any sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 10:31 PM
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We are talking about whether men are hypergamous. Whether they would date up if they could or are most attracted to only a small percentage of women are relevant. Your whataboutism isn't, unless you're arguing women do this and aren't hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:16 PM
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What are you on about? We are talking about whether men are hypergamous. Whether or not they would date up if they could or are still most attracted to a small percentage of women is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:09 PM
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I'm sure they would rather all the average women they ask out say yes and never face repeated rejection or go through long sexless dry spells. But they'd even rather have a beautiful woman go out with them, and they'll still lust after and masturbate to more beautiful women if the average woman says yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:33 PM
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If men were leaving their wives to marry OF models then you'd have a point. The question is how many indeed would leave their wives to marry a more beautiful woman if they could get one? Or who wouldn't have chosen a more beautiful woman to marry if they could have?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:31 PM
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If you don't believe women are all the devil incarnate, what are you even doing on this sub?!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 09:05 PM
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Most of us cause or contribute to a lot of our own problems. With dating in particular, it's no one else's responsibility. It is our own. Sometimes, sure, a guy might be unlucky or ugly enough where nothing is going to happen. But that's not most "average" guys. Most of the time, their choices are affecting their dating outcomes. Yet many try to externalize the blame to 50% of the population while refusing to do much self reflection, or clinging to to examples that, in their mind, justify not ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:33 PM
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Here is another definition of hypocritical* from Miriam Webster, seeing you're still getting hung up on the "moral" claims issue and trying to more narrowly define hypocrisy than it is commonly understood: "being a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings." So, do you disagree that a man wants his woman to be chaste but is more than happy to sleep around himself fits this definition and common understanding of hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 09:28 PM
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Hypocrisy is "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform." So in this instance you have a belief that promiscuity makes a relationship less special. Yet you (again the general you) is perfectly fine with being promiscuous. By your own belief system, that should make sex with you not special. How is that comparable being attracted to traits associated with sexual dimorphism?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:58 PM
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So preferring that you partner doesn't sleep around because it makes you (the general you, not you specifically) feel like a relationship with her isn't special, while being more than happy to have sex with many women, isn't hypocritical?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:39 PM
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In this instance, isn't it hypocritical? Many of these dudes lamenting a woman's N count would have gladly fucked many women if given the opportunity. So they're wanting something special but not able to give it in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:11 PM
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Protection from what? Who or what is generally going to require intervention from police?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:39 PM
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The points over there, friend. You're going the wrong way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:48 PM
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Triggered enough to respond multiple of my comments? My response was factual to the person responding to me, as men commit the vast majority of violent crimes. The flaws of women are irrelevant to that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:40 PM
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Really, if all men disappeared, which country of women would kick the asses of US women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:37 PM
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other men Indeed. animals How much of a threat are animals to women? From death by natural disaster Among other things, such as raping and abusing women during disasters. There is also growing evidence of the exacerbation of violence against women and girls (VAWG) during and after disasters,16–20 including violence by a non-partner or intimate partner, rape/sexual assault, as well as female genital mutilation, honour killings and the trafficking of women.21 There were reports of widespread rape …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:03 AM
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Oh easy. Men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:53 AM
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By what or who?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:11 AM
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Protect them from what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:42 AM
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Tough shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 08:33 PM
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Dudes in the comments be wanting instant results.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:02 PM
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Once ALL women decide what they want, we can move forward instead of men playing Russian roulette. Literally never going to happen on anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:36 AM
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So you wanted to argue against OF consent creators who appear on the whatever podcast (or whatever misandrist podcasts you're referring to) so responded to a random woman on a random post about male behavior and tried to argue about what random other women say? If you're going to do that, at least pick a common argument made on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 08:42 PM
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Religious men tend to be some of the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 06:41 PM
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They don't only want sex. But they're mostly obsessive horn dogs that tend to prioritize sex above all else, including other men's issues, and may be be willing to resort to almost anything to get sex. Ergo, it's a pretty safe assumption to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 06:30 PM
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Because that's something people value about romantic relationships. If someone doesn't bring it, it's fair to kick them to the curb. Him being there means nothing if he'd fuck a fence post. Unless she's also just after meaningless dick that he'd stick into anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 02:09 PM
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And many of ya'll act like it's some great honor to have attention from people just wanting an interchangeable body lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 04:08 AM
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Putting aside the fact, as others have pointed out, people in generally happy relationships can have reasons to vent online... we generally find the woman "knowing from the start" the attitude of the bad partner. While it can be true, I'm not convinced that this is generally true. It's a manosphere talking point often used to excuse men from accountability for their own actions regardless of if the men crowing about this have any clue as to whether the woman in question vetted "properly" or not.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:21 PM
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So you want to use the bodies of those who you disdain. Seems quite dehumanizing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:52 AM
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I opted out of dating over 10 years ago for a number of reasons - such as wide spread male porn usage - but I still appreciate many men, just don't want to date. Given that I don't dislike men half as much as many of the men on this sub dislike women, that's part of the reason I don't understand why the ones who do despise women don't just opt out and get the sex doll lmaoo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:59 AM
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I don't really agree that the gender roles/norms that inform these dating behaviors view men as inferior, but I think it's outdated. For the men on this sub who do disdain most or all women, tho, I just find it strange that they don't opt out of dating women and try to find other means to satisfy their desire for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:05 AM
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I mean you can say that's not what you meant, but your OC definitely does not say a subset is uninteresting. The way your sentence was structured refers to these women (the group of most women who are not put together) as insanely boring and uninteresting, and that you basically disdain that you have to try to impress some of said boring and uninteresting women. But you don't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:41 PM
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Most women are not all that put together either. It’s hilarious to think that I have to try to “impress” some of these insanely boring and uninteresting women. You indicate this is your opinion about most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:27 PM
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It’s hilarious to think that I have to try to “impress” some of these insanely boring and uninteresting women. If you think that poorly of them, it's better for you and them both if you just don't. I mean, why would you want to given you have such a poor opinion of them? Just get a sex doll and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:56 PM
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I'm not the one offended, I'm making a joke given how a lot of dudes here don't like any of the potential solutions to their problems. Hence the response under automod? Take a breath and calm down, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:51 PM
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No, clearly the solution is to avoid human contact, avoid taking risks, and complain about the evils of women online.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:31 PM
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That's your opinion, but not mine. So carry on now and go roll your eyes at other people you disagree with without contributing anything to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:01 PM
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Oh really? Because if I respond to someone, while offering nothing to the conversation, with a statement that I'm just going to roll my eyes at what they're saying, that certainly could be "language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content." Otherwise, why say anything at all? You're arguing over a fundamental worldview, you're never going to agree So it's not worth discussing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:35 PM
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And why is that? And how is your response anything but rhetoric? If someone believes *most men are good, isn't it fair to ask about the basis of that belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:44 PM
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If you're wanting to define good narrowly enough to fit most into it, you'll at least need to get rid of the not "passively causing harm" from your definition or that'll exclude a significant portion of people you're not meaning to exclude. Because spreading opinions can passively cause harm. Unless you're willing to grant that neo Nazis are good people so long as they just have opinions. And if you do, then your definition of good I'd say is far narrower than how it is commonly used. Edit: I me…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:49 PM
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As I said in my first comment, I'm not sure if most people are good. Not sure what's ambiguous about that. But ultimately I'm not the one making the claim that most men OR women are good. OC is. So I'm asking him for his reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:35 PM
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I'm not so sure most people are actually good. Why do you think most men are good? And what does good mean? How many men do you think are at least somewhat misogynistic for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:41 PM
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but we also notice blue and purple pill men who sit quietly and dont call them out for saying such wild things There are a few that will, but they seem to be a pretty small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:13 AM
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but even if you have 500 posts like this, that is still a tiny, tiny fraction of men Is it though? I'm inclined to agree, but we don't really have a way to accurately measure how many men share similar views. And certainly no surefire way not to end up with one masking as a "normal" dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:07 AM
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Ya'll are so biased you won't believe anything that doesn't reinforce what you already believe; the thread I responded to about homophobia had multiple women defending not dating bi men. But keep telling yourself whatever you want to hear. Re treatment of Stacy: you're just spouting a bunch of conclusions with your head up your ass. You're either dishonest or delusional. But there is no point in trying to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themself into.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:02 PM
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Oh for Pete's sake. I recently said women being unwilling to date bi men was due to homophobia. I have called women who voted for Trump dumb fucking bitches etc. Get off your high horse. If you're so aware of what men do, then you wouldn't be delusional enough to say they treat basic becky the same as Stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:36 PM
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LMAO dude please. Ya'll are sometimes so unaware of common male behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:52 PM
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The guy who values you for sex is bad because he will presumably leave you when your looks fade That's definitely not the only reason. I wouldn't place any value on a relationship with this guy even if he never left me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:12 PM
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Certainly not here for dating advice. I began spending time in red pill and adjacent spaces due to morbid curiosity. It has the added benefit of ensuring that I never have too much faith in humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 06:54 AM
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The vast, vast majority of women are not only fans content creators, so this is poor logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 10:43 PM
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Not if you feel The problem is, most rants are based upon how these dudes feel if you try to actually question them as to the basis for their rantings. The logic backing their arguments up is often poor. What they view as truth is based usually upon what they feel, which they conflate with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:46 AM
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Choose to prioritize being emotional and etc. When it comes to romantic relationships and sex, both sexes are heavily driven by emotion and desire. The men going on rants on this sub and complaining are being primarily driven by emotion - not logic, intelligence, or truth. But what I don't understand is, if it is your view that many men misrepresent themselves to women - which as I said before I can't disagree with - why are you losing respect for the people being deceived, many who likely haven…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:55 AM
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So many men think like me. They are just smart enough not to say it around women Unfortunately, from being in male dominated spaces much of my life, sometimes hiding my gender, I can't disagree with you. But... which makes me lose respect for women. Because they are supposed to be smart enough to understand and see this. You expect women to be psychic and not assume the worst of men? Will you then turn around and call them misandrist if they do assume the worst of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:03 AM
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It's hard to have empathy for a group of people that has many hateful bigots that want access to pussy while simultaneously despising women, and who often show little actual interest in any of the other issues men face except as a means to trash women. It's like standing on a street corner screaming, cursing, and insulting people who pass you, then expecting those same people to have sympathy for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:21 PM
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Is it really surprising that the rhetoric and vitriol in manosphere spaces would have a chilling affect on the desire of some women to pursue romantic relationships with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:22 AM
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So "I want women to say they like what I think they do or else they're lying." Again, this is not conducive to actually having a conversation about shit. It's just you wanting people to tell you you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:13 AM
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Let me clarify: this post is not about criticizing women's preferences. I don't care what those preferences are; rather, it addresses the lack of honesty about them. In other words, "I don't criticize the preferences I know women REALLY have, I just want them to say they have the preferences I think they do and if they say they don't they're lying." Do you really expect to be able to get anywhere with this seeing that you'll dismiss anything you disagree with as lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:52 AM
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Remember reality! I'm not the one out of touch with reality. Men are flooding those jobs out! The HS in my area are almost all men at this rate. Facts don't care about your feelings. Reality is teaching through high school is female dominated. Nursing is very female dominated. Men are not flooding women out of these roles, just offering worse outcomes to their patients as surgeons. Look into the horrors at daycare‘s Yeah, like this man who worked at a daycare charged with seven counts of sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:42 PM
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What are the women doing? Paperwork? That’s so hard they must be exhausted. Working as nurses, teachers. Taking care of children and the elderly. As well as women working in non-female dominated areas, such as female surgeons, whose patients generally have better outcomes than the patients of male surgeons. It must be exhausting to be this internally self-hating to demean the contributions of other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 11:25 AM
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I mean if people had actually read the comments it's not hard to miss what I'm referring to, but I get reading comprehension is not your strong suit. You can move along, now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:33 AM
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Dude you're shadowboxing in the corner. I was referring to the very obvious comment chain near the top about being able to be attracted to/desire women while disliking them. More honest takes in a sub that often likes to wail in a delusional fashion about men loving women. But you've got an axe to grind and a victim complex so you're just trying to spar with whoever you can about claims that had nothing to do with what they said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:21 AM
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And you haven't read the comments apparently - including mine or you'd see I was talking about commenters lmao. There's a reason I'm responding to automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:09 AM
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At least the mask's off in this one, with some commenters admitting they despise women and just want to fuck their bodies. As opposed to pretending that men loooove women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:52 AM
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Stop making your own assessment of what another person SAID or is Trying TO SAY. What you FEEL isnt always whats HAPPENING. Well isn't this the pot calling the kettle black.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:15 PM
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Honestly it seems you still want to blame your gfs rather than looking at your own behavior so you'll agree with the comments stating as such. However, depending on the specific facts of an argument, that may or may not be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:56 AM
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Not quite as much as the men on this sub, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:27 AM
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Dude relationships with friends are not analogous to a romantic relationships. A lot of people have an easier time getting along with friends. The fact is, if you use an analogy during an an emotional argument, you may not only hurt them by deciding to tell them they're delusional via analogy, but you may piss them off by hiding behind the analogy because it gives you plausible deniability. As many have already tried to tell you. So someone not playing along with it is not terrible surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:38 AM
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Nonetheless I see no real problem with the examples I laid out in the OP And that explains why you've ran into this problem with multiple women you've dated, and rather than reexamine your approach to communicating, you've decided it says more about them and women in general than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:02 AM
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Well, seeing it is impossible to actually fully judge the argument given the lack of context and failing to use the actual analogy, I'll just say, if you're trying to tell someone something they did was stupid - which is what it looks like in your OP - and you use an over the top analogy to illustrate your point...don't be surprised when they're hurt or upset? Don't expect them to just go "oh, you're right." That's not realistic. I mean your chicken hypothetical would be something I'd use as an …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:44 AM
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Indeed, in what universe is that not a disrespectful way to speak to someone you're supposed to love? And then coming on reddit to try to get a bunch of random people online to also call his GF stupid for supposedly not understanding analogies, as opposed to looking at how his behavior also escalated the argument. Tbf, the chicken analogy is a hypothetical and not the actual analogy used but... The actual analogy could have very well been worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:25 AM
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You can't deviate from a path you were never on to begin with. If you're a woman or a man who is unsuccessful at dating, choosing to decenter men or women and change your perspective on relationships is a change of the path you were on if you were previously trying to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:02 PM
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Another day on PPD, another post with rape apologia.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 10:51 AM
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For example, consider the following. And you can find more info in old posts or in the about section of TRP. From Rollo himself on women being incapable of loving men other than opportunistically: https://therationalmale.com/2011/12/27/women-in-love/ Large 9 year old post on TRP about "she's not yours, it's just your turn" before she inevitably monkey branches ("Round and round the carousel goes. Who's in line next? No one knows. But know this. There is a line, and it will shuffle forward. The m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:48 PM
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You can disagree all you want but the ideas I'm referencing are documented in TRP subreddit and are over a decade old. When I have more time I'll post the links if you want but these views on women are definitely red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 02:47 PM
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Not even. That is OG red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 02:35 PM
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I mean according to TRP, you're leaving off a bunch of stuff. AWALT means (essentially*) all women are hypergamous, it's only a matter of time before she will monkey branch to someone else ("she's not yours it's just your turn/time"), and are incapable of actually loving men more than opportunistically, etc., etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 02:30 PM
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Folks who are afraid of losing the one option they have on the other hand may be more likely to resort to backhanded, shitty treatment. Such as manipulation to keep someone around.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:24 PM
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i live with a woman and she has female friends that is on top of what I already observe otherwise Sure, but one can only draw so many conclusions from anecdotal observation. I've also observed women considering for more factors than if guy is hot or not. E.g., I've seen religious women prioritize equally religious men over looks. I've seen the other way too. But it varies. cause that's human nature? jesus, do you like not go outside or anything? this isn't some ground breaking discovery. goes al…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:19 PM
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Sure, for men who haven't had any luck. But that's not the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:01 PM
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you are going for the trope of, well if the hottest guy isn't a dream then all men are shit. Not even close. What I'm not sold on is your simplistic view of human behavior. That is, that women will always go for the hottest guy no matter what. Nor am I sold on the idea that average men are likely to be nicer. Hot guys certainly can be assholes. But why are average guys less likely to be assholes? What if they're more likely or be assholes due to being bitter and feeling rejected from more women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 10:55 PM
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What makes you so sure they aren't someone's horror story?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 10:45 PM
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So why argue that: So they go for the guys with plenty of options and end up being an option hence the horror stories. if there are multiple potential causes for horror stories?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 10:45 PM
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Such a lofty position to be in to truly believe that the group you belong to - ie, average men - are never the cause of anyone else's horror story. That is indeed a convenient way to shoo away any potential criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 10:26 PM
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Huh? The relevance of your comment to mine is...?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:11 PM
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Because the equivalent statement to your benign, lackadaisical "men are more interested in sex than women" would be something like "women are more interested in their partner's income than men," which is clearly not equivalent to the OP. In order to be equivalent, you'd need to apply the statement to most men, as the OP does apply the statement to most women, and then dehumanize and demonize. Taking your example of "men are more interested in sex than women" and making it more equivalent to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:10 PM
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Not even remotely equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:29 PM
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I don’t get this. Women love the gay bestie it’s a huge trope for a reason. They love hanging at gay bars. They love a man who has a skin routine, talks about his feelings and wears shiny pants. That’s their idea of a male friend. The second he shows signs of a hint of bisexuality he’s dropped like a hot potato. It sounds like you're talking about a specific situation where a woman dropped a male friend after he showed signs of being bi? If I were to start dating again at some point in the futur…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 07:51 PM
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Can you not see you're arguing against a strawman? The claim he made was that egalitarian marriages or marriages where the woman earn more barely exist. That claim is patently wrong. Pointing that out has nothing to do with arguing that women earning more than men is normal. You're arguing against a claim that nobody made. Ya'll are seriously making me doubt the intelligence of young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 06:20 PM
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Dude you're seriously making me doubt the intelligence of young men. You made a claim. That claim was that marriages that are egalitarian or where the wife is the primary bread winner barely exist. I point out this is 45% of marriages which proves your point wrong. The other arguments you keep coming up with are irrelevant because you're arguing against claims i didn't make because you can't back up your original claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 06:18 PM
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He hasn't addressed shit. He said marriages that are egalitarian or where the wife is the primary bread winner almost don't exist. But that's 45% of marriages. What are ya'll smoking?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:41 PM
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You said that egalitarian marriages or marriages where the woman is the primary bread winner "almost don't" exist. But that's 45% of marriages in the US. Just take the L and move on man. The rest of your gobbly gook comment is irrelevant to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:40 PM
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OC's claim was about egalitarian marriages AND ones where the wife is the sole breadwinner. Which is 45%. Are ya'll incapable of reading or just that bad faith? Ffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:46 PM
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Yes ~29% are egalitarian and 16% the wife is the primary breadwinner. So 45%. Are you unable to read your own stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:44 PM
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