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| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Please read the study thoroughly. The pay decreases didn't just coincidentally happen across multiple industries when they switched to being female-dominated. Women did jump jobs, and then their new industries decreased wages. A 10% increase in the proportion of female employees is associated with .5% to 5% percent decrease in hourly wage in each decade. Regarding implicit gender bias, where would you like to begin? There are studies that show that female job candidates are judged to be less com… | /r/MensRights | 11/10/19 12:59 AM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Thanks for asking! Shift and then decrease. The decreases occurred after the sex composition of employees changed. The study looks at five decades of data. (http://www.statisticalhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/88.2.levanon.pdf) I would hope that this pattern is gradually becoming less common, but research has shown that implicit gender bias is still very much alive, so it would be helpful to see another large study done in another decade or so. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/19 02:45 PM |
| 0 | Very trueI'm happy to debate with you, but only if you're willing to do so in good faith. I want to see your “peer reviewed studies” that prove conclusively that the 85% of men being victimized in the family courts are the violent criminals you claim them to be Nowhere did I claim that. I'm not arguing that bias doesn't exist in the courts. What I'm arguing is that many men leave of their own choice and it doesn't end up in courts, or they choose to opt out themselves. If you're choosing to arbitrarily i… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/19 03:10 AM |
| 0 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"So men's rights proponents can ignore research that goes against their beliefs? Please don't surround yourself only with an echo chamber. Thanks for the condescension, but I'm fine :) And none of my comments have been "yelling" or unreasonable. You're the only one who's resorted to swearing and attempts at belittling. I hope you find compassion and more open-mindedness to data that disagrees with your beliefs and emotions. Have a great day! | /r/MensRights | 01/10/19 02:06 AM |
| 0 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Your seeming refusal to look at perspectives and research that doesn't match your dogma is precisely the same. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 10:46 PM |
| -4 | Very truePlease provide evidence of your claims. If you're truly suggesting that the majority of fatherless homes nationwide are not due to the father walking out/being incarcerated/committing domestic abuse, please back that up with stats. Just earlier today I was looking through research that directly refutes your claim that women and men both experience domestic violence at equal rates. Again, please send along peer-reviewed data. I never said men "not crying enough" affects suicide rates. Please don'… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 07:09 PM |
| 0 | Apparently TwitchCon Can't Be a Social EventThe attitude does not assume that all men are dangerous/predators. The point is, some are and it's often impossible to know until it's too late. Statistically, women are more often victims of sexual assault. Often it's done by intimate partners, but sometimes by strangers (and statistically done by men.) She's not talking about getting cramped in a crowd, she's talking about guys standing very close, backing her into a corner and making her feel unsafe. There is a clear difference between that a… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 05:49 PM |
| -4 | Very trueMany fatherless environments are not a choice of the mother. Yes, some are (especially, statistically, in the case of domestic abuse), but many are from absentee fathers. And there aren't "toxic boys." Those boys themselves are victims of the "toxic" elements of our society's brand of masculinity. Western (and American) masculinity is different in many ways from how men are socialized elsewhere. Nowhere is perfect, but it illustrates that many traits are learned. Of course, many aspects of mascu… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 05:29 PM |
| 0 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Of course the conclusions don't represent the views of the U.S. Census Bureau, that disclaimer is common on any study using their data. The majority of sociological studies are the authors' opinion. They use empirical data and pre-existing studies to support their opinions. If you're dismissing it based on that, there are many, many widely accepted studies that you apparently are also dismissing, if they disagree with your opinion. Regardless of your personal opinion, the study's findings are st… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 05:12 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"The study itself suggests the same reasons. Did you read all of it? | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 04:55 PM |
| -6 | Very trueA key thing that feminism pushes for is for the ending of harmful gender norms that insist men "shouldn't show their emotions." Men being discouraged from and bullied for being sensitive/caring/emotional is one "toxic" aspect of the way society currently interprets and teaches "masculinity." Feminism wants that issue gone too. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 04:21 PM |
| 0 | Apparently TwitchCon Can't Be a Social EventBut if you consciously avoid doing it, you can ensure that she doesn't feel threatened. That way you can show her too that you're innocuous. Women can't know whether the guy walking behind her for a few blocks is innocuous or not. He might be, but if she guesses wrong and lets down her guard, it could (and sometimes does, sadly) lead to assault or worse. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Apparently TwitchCon Can't Be a Social EventWhere exactly? You seem to be confusing me with someone else. I said "most women in cities" and I suggested he ask "several women." I try to avoid blanket generalizations. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 04:47 AM |
| 0 | Apparently TwitchCon Can't Be a Social EventAs I said, please ask several women. It's not everyone, but many. I'm glad your wife doesn't. Also, the fact that she feels the need to carry a gun suggests that she might feel that it would be unsafe without one. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 04:32 AM |
| 0 | Apparently TwitchCon Can't Be a Social EventThe elevator bit is a little over the top, but not pinning women to walls/cornering them and not appearing to follow them at night are reasonable. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 02:51 AM |
| 0 | Apparently TwitchCon Can't Be a Social EventMost women in cities, yes. If you're interested, I would definitely recommend reaching out and (gently) asking several women about it | /r/MensRights | 29/09/19 02:05 AM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Except I'm not. I already replied to you elsewhere, but it discusses exactly what I mentioned. "When married couples in the CPS-ASEC violate the norm that husbands outearn their wives, the survey respondents reporting the couples’ earnings appear to minimize the violation by inflating the earnings of the lower-earning husbands and deflating the earnings of the higher-earning wives." The wives report their earnings as lower than they truly are, and men report their earnings as higher. And spouses… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/19 04:06 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"So, I just recently noticed that you seem to have added a lot to this comment compared to when I replied. (Or maybe your edit overlapped with me typing my reply, I don't know.) Maybe this is because women devalue men who don't earn a lot of money, and women select for partners with resources, whether or not they're conscious of this fact. Gender norms are taught to both girls and boys. They both (traditionally) were socialized into believing that men "should" be the breadwinners. The pressure do… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/19 04:01 AM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"It discusses precisely what I mentioned. "When married couples in the CPS-ASEC violate the norm that husbands outearn their wives, the survey respondents reporting the couples’ earnings appear to minimize the violation by inflating the earnings of the lower-earning husbands and deflating the earnings of the higher-earning wives." The wives report their earnings as lower than they truly are, and men report their earnings as higher. And spouses did the same thing when reporting about each other. "… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/19 03:39 AM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"If a husband who earns less than his wife falsely reports that he earns more than he actually does (while husbands who earn more than their wives report factually), that sounds self-conscious. That's what I'm referring to. Please read the whole study. It also says "This finding suggests that couples care about being on the traditional side of the equal-earnings threshold, specifically, rather than or in addition to caring about the relative earnings of the spouses more generally." ... "When a wi… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/19 03:16 AM |
| 0 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"How young do you think I am? I came across this post through someone's profile. Also, just saw that you edited your previous post. Will address that in a minute | /r/MensRights | 27/09/19 02:59 AM |
| 0 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Interesting study. Will look for corroborating research. It does mention that, among its limitations, the raters were all young and "hence the focus on resources may not generalize to other ages." Also that the US sample was comparatively small. China, one of the other two places they performed the experiment in does indeed have extremely strong societal pressure for men to earn more than women. But still interesting. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/19 12:05 AM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Sure, it's waaaaay high up in this thread, a few posts before you came in. Here, https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/working-papers/2018/demo/SEHSD-WP2018-20.pdf?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 08:54 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"The first time I mentioned pressure was "The study I posted shows that the societal pressure for men to earn more than their wives is felt by both men and women." You replied by saying the pressure didn't come from men, but only from women. So that's what I was debating with that particular point. The discussion about different industries and pay is separate, and will research later as I said. Of course the study checked for that sort of thing. Married couples in which the husband earned more th… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 08:39 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"But does research suggest that men statistically seek out lower paid/educated women? is what I'm curious about. And the study I posted does show that men (and women) are at least self-conscious about the wife earning more, so they seem to care in some way. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 08:18 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"That doesn't directly tie to the point at hand, and it doesn't explain why women also feel pressure to under-report their earnings. Nor is it empirical evidence. Do you have any empirical support? | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 07:52 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Thanks for taking the time to write a long reply! I'll sift through it and reply in a few hours. Before that, I said that the pressure exists. I posted a study that illustrates it. You're the one who claimed the pressure only comes from women, so that particular burden of proof is on you. See you in a few hours. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 07:06 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"But my point is, what makes those fields lower paid? From 1950-2000, professions that changed from being male-dominated to female-dominated saw their salaries drop significantly (despite still having lower supply than demand of workers). I believe it was by around 56%, but I can check if you'd like. "And where does that pressure originate from? It isn't men." So are you claiming that men have no role in the (in my opinion) detrimental societal norm that men "should" earn more than their wives? D… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 05:01 PM |
| -1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"I'm not suggesting it, the author of the article is. Could you please send data to back up your 1000x less sensitive claim? According to census records, men are also self-conscious about earning less than their wives. (https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/working-papers/2018/demo/SEHSD-WP2018-20.pdf) Strict gender norms are harmful to both men and women. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 03:09 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Out of curiosity, of course it's only anecdotal, but do you feel that you've (whether consciously or subconsciously) tended to go for women who are not as smart as you or who earn less than you? Since you mentioned you haven't dated anyone who earns as much | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 02:08 PM |
| -3 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"You seem to have missed the point of the comment. The study I posted shows that the societal pressure for men to earn more than their wives is felt by both men and women. In couples where the woman earned more, she under-reported her earnings and her husband over-reported his. That aside, are you trying to argue that women simply choose to go into lower paying fields? That's still separate from my point (and doesn't touch on whether men seek out lower paid wives or not), but interestingly, histo… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 01:53 PM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Most of the research on the topic focuses on education levels, I suspect largely because it's much easier to measure than intelligence. So I can't give you data on that. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 01:34 PM |
| -2 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"I don't particularly have a dog in this race, but studies have shown that the gender norm of men earning more than women is sadly still very entrenched in society. For example, statistically in couples where the wife earns more, she tends to minimize her earnings and the husband inflates his earnings on census reports. Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/upshot/when-wives-earn-more-than-husbands-neither-like-to-admit-it.html (yeah, it's NYT, but that doesn't change the study's findings) … | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 11:16 AM |
| 1 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"The article presents the data in a misleading way. The study's findings don't actually show whether women are marrying guys who earn equal/greater than themselves or not. A separate article about it by someone who works with the authors actually mentions men tending to marry less educated women as being a factor in highly educated women having trouble finding spouses. "What might be causing this mismatch in the marriage market? Two patterns provide the strongest explanation. First, women are mor… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 09:36 AM |
| -10 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"I was curious, so I looked into the methodology of the study and read an article by someone who works with its authors. The data doesn't actually specify that women are looking for partners who make equal to/more than themselves. The article was a good read. It refers to Jon Birger's book too. Interestingly enough, it mentions hypergamy in the reverse, saying men are in fact the ones doing it: "What might be causing this mismatch in the marriage market? Two patterns provide the strongest explana… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 09:25 AM |
| -6 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"I can't find that in any official definitions, everything focuses on the "marrying up"... But classism in general sucks. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 09:00 AM |
| -9 | "Women are struggling to find men who are financial equals"Hi. Hypergamy refers to marrying someone of a higher class than you, so in what ways are you applying it to this article? It just says the women studied prefer men who earn equal to their salaries, not necessarily more | /r/MensRights | 26/09/19 08:48 AM |
| 1 | Touch it or you're a bigotHow exactly are fat people "inherently selfish and bad lovers"? | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/19 03:17 AM |
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