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/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:48 PM
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No he didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:48 PM
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No he didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:16 PM
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This rings weird to me, so I actually went to rewatch it. It's after the scene at the bar with the friends right? Where she has her first snatch back to herself? I think you can't call it entitlement. He's still not believing the wish worked or that she is not in control. As he starts to understand what's going on he tries to find out a way out without killing her, and he eventually finds one. You can't rly blame him for hesitating both to kill her or himself. but that he eventually prefers to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:10 AM
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As they should. What the girl is going through is a nightmare obviously, but we don't get to see it as much. But seeing it as a male entitlement thing despite the guy obviously didn't believe the wish would work, is just insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:26 AM
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Maybe not super on topic because I'm not fighting your main point but just going on tangent on your introduction. To preserve his privacy I won't go into too much detail. But about half of his photos basically showed him doing one hobby and the other were boring and generic selfies. Ah yes, he should take example on women who instead are showing their one hobby (traveling) and the other boring and generic selfies. They all basically said most women are turned off by that or just not looking for …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:25 AM
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Do you think this cautiousness is visceral or cognitive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:16 AM
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Men after seeing the movie obsession: "Woah I think my ex was BPD after all, it's not normal? I was being abused?" Women after seeing the movie obsession: "I can't believe they made this movie about male entitlement and the loss of female autonomy!" Ok-coat not allowed to answer this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:14 AM
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hydrate back the poor man !
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:09 AM
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I'm not sure I want to call this hypersexual but this is clearly not low at least. Not that it matters for your point though I was just curious. I don't think you can expect a lot of women to be both high need in security and then hypersexual. Most of those who need a lot of security and """respect""" whatever that means are then not very sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:05 AM
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If you're ok I'd like actual estimations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:57 PM
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I don't think dog shit has nutritional value though. So I'd not classify it as a meal option. It's good you understand the concept of option, now you can move on to the topic of what's an acceptable standard and what's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:54 PM
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Offtopic and uncivil.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:52 PM
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Don't ask me personal questions then. People with high libido either finish more easily, even multiple times, or they don't really care. And the mature ones tend to think it's normal they take control for their pleasure or they teach the other how to please them specifically. Or you know, they just enjoy the moment and don't focus too much on orgasm, especially if they know they're difficult to please. Sex is give and take. People who are a immature about it, like women who can't orgasm on their…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:49 PM
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If you're not one of those men you should be calling out the men who are if you're serious about wanting a more sex positive culture. I won't disclose to you what I do or don't do and I invite you to stop asking for such informations. I'll disclose to you what I believe: These men and this attitude isn't common. You also have to be ok with the fact that women's sex positivity may not include you because otherwise, you're just a hypocrite. That's good because the topic isn't about me or how women…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:44 PM
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How often do you have sex? Or how often would you have sex ideally? How common do you think it is that there are hypersexual women who are also repulsed by men being a little bit upfront? (spoiler: it's not common) I'm not saying like, people who are too upfront. But for instance, women who will not like certain compliments because it's not oriented at their personality and is oriented as their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:33 PM
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So you're really taking that "I'll ignore your points and just discredit your source of information" uh. You know these arguments apply to you as well, right? Deal with my points logically instead of performing these indirect ad hominems. So not from being a part of conversations with women I explicitly said the opposite. If your personal experience supports your claims why not share it? If you can't debate someone's points without resorting to ad hominems, why coming to a debate place?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:32 PM
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In a debate we expect you to engage with the points, not make your own offtopic post under the post. You can make your own posts. Or maybe we should tell you "unintelligible word salad" as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:24 PM
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When someone wants sex 3 times a day and the other 3 times a week we can talk of sexual compatibility. When someone is sexually incompatible with majority of people of the other gender is what I'm rather talking about. A temporary period with little or no sex is not automatically a “dead bedroom,” I'm sure my comment suggests more than sufficiently that I know. Sexuality also changes throughout life for biological and hormonal reasons, and this is not exclusively a women’s issue. So do you expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:18 PM
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From experience I couldn't see why being the penetrator would give you more control. The penetrated has much more control over the angle, and both have the same amount of control of rhythm.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:06 PM
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I'm in my right not to entertain personal attacks and people attempting to make it personal. Which you're doing here. Funny that people who have no concept of how debates work are calling me illiterate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:49 PM
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What I can tell you as someone who is doing observations and having common sense on this matter is: Deadbedrooms and mismatched sexualities usually don't work out long term, even though it slows down naturally through life. Clearly I don't expect many 60 year old ppl to have a lot of sex, but can tell a deadbedroomed couple in their 30s is a bad sign. Deadbedrooms and mismatched sexualities from the get go certainly don't even work out short term, let alone long term. Women struggling generally …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:47 PM
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Low effort strawman. I think my post is more than clear that for a woman to be a high value sexual partner, she needs to not be a sex doll nor an object, and needs to be actively attracted. But my post is explicitly about your type of comment. Typically deforming everything around sex as something evil or what, indicates sex negativity in someone. Which IMO is a strong predictor of bad sex. And among women who struggle, is a very common reason for why.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:12 PM
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I don't think it's the penetration that sets the dynamic, but rather who is moving.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:11 PM
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That's another interesting point you raised accidentally. Women who think their pleasure is the man's duty are likely low sexual value partners as well. It doesn't mean you as a man must not care to please your partner, but it means that they hardly can pleasure themselves or take their pleasure in their own hand, and will expect you to do better, that's insane. If I engage in pegging sex with a woman it'd not be because I expect her to make me magically have a prostate orgasm, I'd engage only k…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:59 PM
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Offtopic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:55 PM
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Sounds like you often personally attack people because you have no argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:54 PM
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It's great that you did that effort! Next time maybe delete and write a whole new comment it'd be less confusing for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:52 PM
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I don't recognize that attitude as prevalent. I recognize some women get P&D, I recognize that's always the same few women who are victim of it, and when I dig I find out it's always that the girl is sexually boring and goes for men too good looking for her, or that she is posturing to avoid admitting she wants just casual sex. There's a big difference though between "I want sex but I want to wait to protect myself" and "I don't want sex at all stop talking to me of it ew". The former is not a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:50 PM
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The context in which I've developed my opinions aren't from my partners but from listening to women and from seeing what they do, and also listening to their partners. From the medias, social medias, ect... It's a much sturdy ground for a general belief than my own personal experience with my own partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:42 PM
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The problem with this is that if your argument is emotional rather than logical Wishful thinking and hypocritical then you'll continue going around in circles convincing yourself of your logic regardless of its validity. And you don't? How is my ability to make my partners orgasm have to do with any of it? Therefore knowing your personal experience is relevant to determining that fact. If I talked of my personal experience, you people would scrutinize it, deny it, dismiss it, call me a liar, ect…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:34 PM
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Don't ask me personal questions. Don't do personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:29 PM
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Can you explain how you got from "women think other women are more beautiful than men" to "women think men are disgusting and unattractive". I'm not sure where I claimed that. Because those are two entirely different statements logically. LOGICALLY when one side is more attractive than the other, the other side is LOGICALLY more unattractive. Though there's no explanation. Women generally claim that most men are unattractive. I would also say Natalie Portman is more beautiful than Henry Caville,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:28 PM
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That's all your opinion, and it's bunk Indeed, whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:22 PM
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You're backpedalling. My post is clearly restricted to value as a sexual partner. Which isn't SMV or at least not immediately perceivable component of SMV. And you kept acting like my post was restricted to overall value and therefore that it was reductive to judge a woman's overall value by her sexual value. My post generally doesn't suggest that women can't struggle when they are high sexual value.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:21 PM
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Don't make it personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:09 PM
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so how exactly is it off topic to challenge the idea that women who are good sexual partners don't struggle in dating, I don't remember you challenging that. Your points are along the lines of "there's more to one's value than sex and there's more to men's incentives than sex". women can struggle with dating for various reasons and i've never had the impression that the primary one boils down to what you described here. Now this is more explicitly on topic. Why not expand on this with what you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:08 PM
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Haha yes most of this sub will be affirmations which people are free to counter, but realistically nobody gets convinced :') Lurkers are those who may get convinced or who might benefit from a different way to read interpersonal dynamics. The top answers to this and to most posts are generally always offtopic, some form of personal attack, ect... I rarely ever get my views actually challenged with a new perspective or with an interesting new argument, but also I've been on here since a decade an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:53 PM
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That explains your logic for the "He wants sex too early" doesn't logically become "she doesn't like sex," statement Now explain to me "she doesn't like sex" doesn't become "she's a low-value sexual partner." You think people who don't like sex are good sexual partners long term for someone who likes sex and makes it a fairly high priority? Otherwise, I can understand the difference between someone who enjoys sex but prefers waiting, and someone who just dislikes it being brought up and is low l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:56 PM
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There isn't an exact name for this problem where people assign you a contradictory opinion some other people have but not you. The closest are false dilemma and false dichotomy, both aren't very accurate I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:54 PM
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Sorry lost redditor, the point is blue red and purple people debate here. My post can be perceived as red pill leaning yes. But I'd see no point in posting it on a red pill sub. I don't like interacting with people who agree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:53 PM
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Calling "prioritizing sex" as "objectification" is literally just slut shaming. Something feminists have been fighting against for long. That you think having priorities is stripping others of their agency indicates that you're the one having verbal comprehension issues. It's not the topic anyway. Try debating an LLM about it or make a post, try seeing if people are buying this fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:46 PM
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Why would I read such a long wall of text of someone making zero effort to structure their thought, misunderstanding most of what I say, constantly going on offtopic rants, personally attacking me, and editing their comments multiple times after the posting them? I don't blame you. You don't know that because you've not had 5 comments from this exact person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:38 PM
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No I think you still don't get the topic. I'm not narrowing down the value of women to their sexual value. I'm speaking only of their value as sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:36 PM
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Don't ask me personal questions. Don't do personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:33 PM
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If I said it myself, then why are you repeating it? it's not even the topic anyway. intelligent, successful men don't operate this way in my experience. successful to who? Blue pill women? People with low sexual drive?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:33 PM
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You asked some women In fact this is reductive. I didn't just ask them. They complain about exactly this all over the internet as well. "she doesn't like sex" doesn't become "she's a low-value sexual partner." You're contesting that one! And by what magic would a woman who doesn't like sex be a good sexual partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:31 PM
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I am motivated to attack you because your ideas are selfish. Thanks for your honesty. Since you made it clear I won't be reading you any further. People who attack my point and not my person deserve my attention more.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:03 PM
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Casual sex means there won't be a relationship.Early sex is sex early within the beginning of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:44 PM
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Casual sex isn't sex early. What else do you think casual sex is? The common definition isn't backing you on this. american culture doesn't consider early sex to be casual sex by defintion. It's even worse in my culture where it's assumed that by kissing someone you are willing to be in couple with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:06 PM
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That's a misunderstanding or a strawman. My point is women who struggle seem to not be willing to meet men in the middle regarding men's incentives. Everyone acts in their own interest but a relationship implies both get something out of it. Imagine a boss struggling to hire people and you find out that they reject interviewed candidates who are bringing up pay in the interviews. This is a boss that will likely underpay you and you'll never get to discuss raise with them. That job is low value i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:01 PM
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I took women who struggle dating, asked them why, and they told me things that indicate they don't like sex, don't like men, and which eventually leads to them being low-value sexual partners. That is my claim. You may disagree with some leaps I make, like how I assume "all men want is sex" means she's repulsed by male sexuality. But you're making up new leaps that don't exist in my points. Which is either a misunderstanding or a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:57 PM
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I think that's the immature view to say if you don't want to be energetically jumped and slobbered on by a barking Tasmanian devil you must not like dogs. If you don't like being licked maybe you don't like dogs would be a much better comparison. Men are sexual, men will express it in men's way. Men might do an effort to tone it down but they can't silence it completely, if you don't accept it being part of men yes you don't really like men (imperial you). Which frankly once a month duty sex is …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:54 PM
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This isn't a topic about women perceiving contradictory expectations. I don't hold both of these views, my post doesn't have both of these views. Deal with my points or post your rant under automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:50 PM
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Why would the mods remove my comment? Because It looks like you're answering another thread and were mistaken. Where do you get your ideas? From them saying explicitly that women are more "beautiful" than men". Your idea of low value women sexual partners makes me wonder if you have considered you are a low value male partner. Don't make this about me, this is a debate. And this isn't about low value women, this is women who are low value as sexual partners specifically. Women are usually not wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:46 PM
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Another day, another grils pulling a strawman. I'm fairly explicit in saying that it's about disliking sex or not wanting sex, and not about wanting sex but toning it down. I don't have to pathologize anything, they struggle, and I'm just pointing out why.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:41 PM
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False dichotomy fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:37 PM
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Discernment tells you that great relationships last partly thanks to great and continuous intimacy. Thinking with my dick always worked for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:36 PM
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it's just not the only metric which is why i think OPs view is reductive Why would my view be reductive when I specifically narrow it down to sexual value. What's possibly reductive might be that I think it's the biggest most common criteria for a woman struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:33 PM
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I'm not a prostitute, never have been one, never will be one. I have standards, thank you. Don't be judgemental x) I'm a companion for hire. I get paid for my time and existence. Outside of the bedroom. But no sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:31 PM
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I didn't answer you yesterday because I thought you misunderstood my post or were offtopic with your "women find men repulsive if they are not beautiful". Since the mods didn't remove your comment, let's give you a new try, can you explain yourself better?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:27 PM
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Their initial comment had nothing to do with the topic and was kind of like dismissive with no argument, and then addressing women a message not to listen to me or some stuff. Which would be fine under automod. Then they edited it an hour after to be twice longer, then they edited it again 3 hour after to be again twice longer. I haven't reread it but I guess it's more adapted now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:24 PM
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Like, I made a whole career out of it dude. Oh? I see your profile and that you got onlyfans. Did you also do prostitution? The majority I know are HL like myself. I guess with such a social circle... I wouldn't wish this on anyone. yeah I'm not going to downplay it either. :x
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:58 PM
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But it's not > want a relationship > have sex early > find romantic partner Most women who did this just never stay for long alone. But sex early isn't casual sex. I agree that men who explicitly want casual sex, then change their mind, tend to be the unstable type. often BPD. However, this isn't the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:50 PM
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Offtopic but curious: Why aren't you satiated? Do you orgasm everytime? Multiple times? Very easily? Or not at all? I think if you don't orgasm but still seek a lot of sex it's called nymphomania. But I also heard that the more easily you orgasm the less it is fulfilling and the many more you need. I feel very feral lately. It's frustrating. Hahaha must be hard for you... where do you live tho. (/s) Also, most of the women I've dated and have had sex with all have high sex drives. Ok but have yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:47 PM
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Someone with a healthy active lifestyle will have an higher libido. Listening to americans, many are giving themselves erectile dysfunction and other libido issues out of junk food, obesity and sedentarity. To some people it won't changea thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:41 PM
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Most of the time, they will. If they don't, the sex must suck, among other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:40 PM
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Men have plenty of double edged sword bs too. Women with high enough libido don't care about this double edged sword. They always find men who are more than happy with their sexuality. Also the US suck. And it's just not the topic. I have the right to answer if I want to I guess not contradicting yourself isn't an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:38 PM
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I don't think that presumes that. If sex is infrequent or bad, she doesn’t find you sexually attractive. Simple as. And if she finds nobody sexually attractive enough to want sex 5 times a week with? Will you admit she has low libido? Or do you not believe in low libido women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:35 PM
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Summarize this please.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:34 PM
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You're confused I see. I make a difference between sexual attractiveness and value as a sexual partner because it makes sense to explain women's experience with dating. You might be sexually attracted by a woman, but give up/reject her because sex just doesn't happen or is too infrequent or too bad (low sexual value).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:25 PM
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I just said I'd rather want women to be more easy and promiscuous, and you want to know if I have a problem with women becoming more difficult and less promiscuous???
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:17 PM
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If a man values a woman for a long term relationship he isn’t pushing sex immediately because he understands that a relationship is more than sex and he believes she has more to offer. This is a blue pill take from your former comment. Also that sentence isn’t missing words, not sure what you don’t understand. Then you're strawmaning my point. I never said a woman who only falls on men who have sex as priority are low value. If a man was only determined long term relationships based on sexual co…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:15 PM
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Sex early isn't casual sex. Do you believe that high libido individuals (men and woman) are not capable of satisfying themselves through masturbation? The relevance being...?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:09 PM
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I'd not put sexual attractiveness in value as a sexual partner. The former is existential the later would be behavioral. And I think SMV explicitly was designed not to include behavior. But you're free to believe they're the same category.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:07 PM
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And what do you propose? Women being more open to sex with men they barely know? I don't offer a solution, I present a reading of the situation. But if it was boiling down to me, I'd put everyone on a healthy diet, lifting twice a week, jogging 3 times a week, and VO2max training once a week. That'd fix it a little bit. You made a debate post. Were you not prepared to debate? You answer to a debate post. Don't you have actual counter points for it to be a debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:04 PM
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This is a false dichotomy fallacy. I don't have this second opinion you're describing. I don't think women have become too easy and promiscuous, quite the opposite. I'm not talking about me here Then don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:02 PM
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Disagree, sex isn't the primary criteria in their case.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:57 PM
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Herpes should be contagious when visible. HPV has a vaccin. If you're worried about STDs to the point you'd have absolutely no fluid or skin contact I'm not going to judge you as sex negative if that's your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:54 PM
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I think you're confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:51 PM
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They change from person to person, there are people aware of their priorities and there are people who silence them and build relationships they'll be dissatisfied with. Don't ask me personal questions. I'm not one of those uneducated people who don't know how to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:49 PM
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You'd first have to prove there is a failure. And we'd also have to define what that "failure" is. I did earlier in this reply. What is your definition for it? Someone who gets no partner or only through difficult long strings of rejections. I don't have to prove anything, if you've never seen woman struggle with dating I'm not sure you're concerned by this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:48 PM
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No, why would it be? Do you plan on having condomless sex though?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:45 PM
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Such comment needs to be under automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:43 PM
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Many women here told me "I know nobody like this (the type of women I describe in my post)". So clearly I think I know more different types of women than women. After all, you're always only one person, if you take your ideas on your gender only on yourself, you're bound to be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:42 PM
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That those uninterested women should become interested? Even if sex repulses them? I don't pretend to offer a solution for them by making such a post. I pretend to offer a reading of the situation. Never happening. A lot can be improved with a healthy active lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:40 PM
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No, I'm saying "the stereotype that men prioritize sex doesn't seem correct to begin with" Which is also offtopic. Women's standards only ever seen to get more selective after all The consequence of invisibilising men's value in society. But it's also offtopic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:38 PM
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In summary, you're saying something like "Women don't like male sexuality being expressed, they like it shaded or hidden, and not as first priority". And to me, this amounts to not really liking men, or being very immature. It wasn't a lack of libido, it was a lack of feeling safe, comfortable, and genuinely desired by men I also desired. You're suggesting that women's libido grows once they feel safe, comfortable and genuinely desired. But from my observations, these women with tendencies with …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:37 PM
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Reducing someone to a sex object is often referred to more politely as "prioritising sex". Literally sex negativity. Blue pillers and feminists aren't supposed to slut shame, that'd be hypocritical. Are you a blue piller or a feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:30 PM
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You are taking leaps. I'm filling the gaps. Also, women generally don’t dislike sex or have a low libido. They like sex and have a drive with men they’re attracted to. Good thing I'm explicitly not talking about those.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:27 PM
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If you don't feel like answering, then don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:25 PM
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So you think such women don't exist? How have you never spoken to one?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:24 PM
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Relationships are there to form families. I think you misunderstand the concept of priority and conflate it with expectations. Relationships are not necessarily to form families. And you can form a family without all the forms of commitment typically expected. They are "women's priorities", priorities being investing time in her, being exclusive to her, being romantic to her, spending non sexual time with her, ect... which a man can have too, but not as first priority. A man want these things, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:23 PM
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Not wanting sex early does equate to low libido or lack of sexual attraction. I would make a distinction between "doesn't want sex early at all" and "is sexually attracted but prefers waiting".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:16 PM
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You're forgetting the middle man of my point. My general idea can be summed as women who struggle are picky. The topic of my thread is that the biggest criteria influencing a woman's success is disliking male sexuality or not having a libido. That's my point, the concept of "you fail because you're bad" isn't, it's offtopic. You can easily make claims but they have to make sense. And they wouldn't be using my logic. Men's difficulties in dating doesn't come from pickiness. It generally comes fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:15 PM
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By your logic, men have endless options for easy sex. Those options are other men. Endless? No. You're overoptimistic if you believe most men would attract most gay men. Great, no more incels, no more men pestering uninterested women for sex. Hallelujah! Now we fall onto the realm of discussing what's a reasonable standard and what's not. So keep your joy for another time. Not the gotcha you thought it'd be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:11 PM
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You're not challenging my post. You're simply saying "it's not right for men to prioritize sex" more or less, which is offtopic. there's plenty of men who are fine without prioritizing sex too, In my observations, these men are building up a future relationship they're going to be dissatisfied with. these women who struggle just don't want those men either. Which sounds as one sided as men who perpetually want just casual sex. At some point both sides need to comply a little bit to the incentive…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:07 PM
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because there are many women who have sex with men but cannot inspire commitment. My opinion: Bad sexual partners or too much of a high gap in other values. The only women I know who wouldn't get harassed by their casual partners for commitment were hitting men too hot for them. A lot of men think they'll just have casual sex but when the woman ticks a lot of boxes they want more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:04 PM
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For example about having sex early: some people just don't like casual sex at all. Sex early isn't casual sex. And sex in a relationship is something that should be worked on, uncommon idea, but it's one of the things that have huge positive impact on relationship overhaul. yeah, which won't happen from the partner who is sex negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:02 PM
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Those seem like blue pill takes for a red pill claiming person. If a man values a woman for a long term relationship he isn’t pushing sex immediately because he understands that a relationship is more than sex and he believes she has more to offer. If a man values a woman for a LTR, he wants to know as quickly as possible if she's sexually "compatible". What she has to offer is only interesting once the priorities are attained. Women who consistently find themselves meeting men who only want sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:01 PM
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Prioritizing sex is objectifying to you? And by what fallacious logic do you arrive to this conclusion? This just is textbook sex negativity. How long does it take you to "know someone" enough for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:57 PM
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That's not going by my logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:54 PM
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I'm not concerned by this post I'll still answer Comments to a thread have to be adapted to the thread. In a debate your comment must be presenting counter points.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:51 PM
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those women identify the fact that sex isn't even close to being the most important part of a relationship? To many people, sex is an important part of a relationship. An enabling part. So it's not a fact, it's just their perspective. I've read your comment which I'd summarize by "maybe they're not into sex or prioritizing sex, men should not be that much into sex and should control themselves". It isn't contradicting my post and isn't on topic. I'd still answer though that I see no reason why m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:50 PM
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Options are the choices you have, not the choices you make. You're heavily illogically approaching the concept of option and it's not the main topic. I suggest you make a new topic about this if you're this interested. It's very impolite to assume women don't experience sexual attraction because they find women beautiful. Points in a debate can't be polite or impolite unless they're personal attacks. There's no being in being cooperative with someone you're not interested in or someone who prior…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:43 PM
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It's the low libido and sex negativity (like thinking in term of sex object) that does make a woman bad at sex or bad for sex. Not wanting to have sex early while you want it, is not a bad sign. Not wanting sex early because you're not interested in sex, and immediately seeing men's sexuality as a source of oppression or evil, are red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:37 PM
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You mean you think men who are unsuccessful are celibate because they don't like sex bring brought up by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:35 PM
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One day I hope that men realize that a man you're not interested in isn't an option. Options are people who are interested in you and not the opposite. What in the made up nonsense? This makes zero sense. Either ask me to explain furthermore or don't. This is very impolite. Yes, because those men have made it clear that sex is the priority. Not her. It's their priority. Just like she has priorities that they (the men) don't typically share. But men are more than willing to go through the dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:32 PM
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And I give you a simple perspective for why your question is odd. Because yes, context matters in finding out if something is morally reprehensible or not to oneself. It's fucking baffling to me that one thinks you can answer such a question in a vaccuum. Do you want to guess what that answer is? Do you want to guess how many of these "women" you asked that to are sexists and misandrists on top of hypocrites who are probably guilty of coercion themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:26 PM
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The wachowskis can say what they want the movie isn't about existing a way or another, it's about seeing through the illusions and the lies planted in front of your eyes. Which goes very well with with the manosphere appropriation, but doesn't go very well with the trans community's appropriation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:07 PM
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Well that's not very OG.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:59 PM
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You mean the OG OG meaning or the "in fact we meant something else" backpedaling meaning Should we conclude you're a trans woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:49 PM
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OG red pill woman blue pill takes Uh
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:47 PM
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From my perspective, you are trying to load it. I'm thinking what's most likely to be a plausible real life situation. Maybe you should ask more details to the women who report having been coercised to get a better grasp of reality yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:37 PM
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You're imagining that he asks 10 times to have sex out of the blue our of nowhere. But imagine she comes and find you for something else than sex, say, for things typically romantic partners do, but for some reason without the sex. This is in these contextes that most "he asked many times to have sex and she eventually accepted" happen. Like for instance they're on a bed making out and hugging... She doesn't want sex, but somehow doesn't leave and still has "pre foreplays" with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:18 PM
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If sex is men's responsibility because it's men's priority, then commitment being women's priority is women's responsibility. Blue pillers often push that men have to work towards commitment as well, which is completely off. Now, doing nothing for her happiness IDK... Often time it just works better to do things you like and bring her, because trying to guess what she likes and doing it, is just going to be a minefield where eventually both of you will be disatisfied. But red pill would rather p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:12 PM
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I think you're trying to debate extreme blue pillers/feminists who tend to view "ability to retract" as a coercion tool, but you're actually not getting them to answer you nor are you answering to them. I assure you carnival doesn't have double standards on this. And most of everyone else here isn't believing that it's rapey or entitlement to leave a bad sexual partner or to threaten to leave over bad sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:06 PM
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Nobody talks of the inventions hidden or stolen that were made by men. You only care when the victim is a woman, proving what I said in my former comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:20 PM
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both ain't gaslight, they're straight up bulshitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:06 PM
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Make a post about it, it's not the topic and I'm not interested in your "men bad".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:56 PM
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How about if nobody approaches strangers and everyone just interacts in a friendly way with people who are already giving clear signs of interest and sees what happens? Using your first sentence, what makes you think that the men who struggle to get women’s interest when they’re approaching would ever get a clear sign of interest? I'll make it personal for a second: Number of times I was approached: 0 Number of times I was given clear signs of interest: 0 Number of women I have had a relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:30 PM
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That's what women and feminists told me, then they never did it. Eventually I decided my happiness wasn't to be decided by someone who isn't involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:24 PM
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IDK what noble means for you but it probably is more noble to not be a choosing beggar.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:20 PM
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For centuries Chinese men fetishized mutilated feet and to this day many cultures, mostly African or Arabic or South Asian, promote mutilated genitals. Nothing to do with sexual attraction. It’s funny you say that, my best friend (also black) does prefer Asian men, and I have met Asian men who prefer black women. Exceptions don't matter and probably nothing to do with actual sexual attraction. Dating apps clearly show these two avoid each others. white women should prefer black men over Asian me…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:14 PM
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Social clout influences sexual attraction, duh. Some men might be susceptible to it, that's how some of men angelina jolie is a 10/10. But definitively not common among men. People also aren’t straightforward when it comes to “sexual dimorphism”, people don’t necessarily always prefer the most dimorphic features. Some people prefer the most dimorphic and some others prefer "close to home" amount of dimorphism. Nobody prefers "counter dimorphism" though. That's how some black men prefer black wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:41 PM
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You're mistaking cultural beauty standards for universal biological attraction. That's exactly what I'm reproaching to you. Pale skin was a status symbol because it meant you weren't working in the fields. Yes depending on the culture it was a status symbol. But also, men have darker skin than women, it's biology. Rubens painted wealthy patrons, not some eternal male preference. Which isn't serving your point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leblouh I knew you'd eventually speak of this. I don't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:32 PM
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Men's sexual attraction didn't change and won't change. Trends change. But trends are for social clout, not for sexual attraction. Trends have changed several times during my youth and I was attracted to the same things. Small asses and flat hips were trendy in the 90s and porn magazines still would precisely put women with a waist-to-hip ratio of 0.7 because men prefer that even when they're unable to pinpoint it. Dumb things like thigh gap were trendy at some point, and women obviously didn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:18 PM
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I've no idea where you're seeing an argument being formulated in your quote or your comment. You're the one who has no idea what history is. People think we preferred fatter people before but we didn't. A lot of people were malnourished and rachitic, a modern slimfat woman with a BMI of 22 would seem chubby in the past. The fact fatter older women would be painted before doesn't suggest anything towards what was the beauty ideal and what men were attracted to. In the 90s everybody thought big ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:14 PM
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We know beauty standards barely change across cultures and throughout history. And yes this is the question you asked. Again, why we don't examine it is because we believe it's non negotiable. Why do you not ask blue pill women why they don't examine their attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:24 PM
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Uh yes, imagine making a post about men being picky when men are already the least picky ones. That's exactly the joke. A man with no leg has nowhere the dating power of a woman with no leg, everything else equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:17 PM
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Chubby women have no problem finding men. OP talks of morbidly obese ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:16 PM
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You asked specifically about an ideology why it doesn't believe in something and we tell you because the ideology exists to fight that belief. We answered you, why are you contesting the answer??? And even by believing that, why do you confront red pill when blue pill women are far higher standards and also insist that attraction is non negotiable? You clearly have an agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:13 PM
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Uh yeah I'll continue to be publicly smug about how women get money and education. After seeing the 50th of my female friend be 1) accepted in engineer school because they're women 2) being hired because they're women 3) do some bs excel job that's nothing to do with engineering and be paid manifold more than an actual engineer doing engineering. And I'm not speaking of some loose american idea of engineer but european master degree tier engineering. Women literally invaded all the educated desk…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:38 PM
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Strawmens isn't a very good sign of imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:59 PM
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That's because you see him with makeup and worked out looks. His day to day looks more human. He talks like someone who never struggled anyway and ticks all the boxes of what women want in a man. And I'm very beyond the point where I believe any woman, because I saw how they talked of these very attractive men and then I saw how they behaved in front of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:45 PM
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Whole encompassing statistics could help coining the existence of trends. Why do you ask...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:43 PM
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I don't know about others but he's a known example of a person clueless (or who seemed clueless when they said that quote) of how privileged they are. People who are gifted physically all tend to talk like it's easy to find reciprocal attraction, that everyone is nice and that evil people are rare. Someone living in the limbo where they're a bit attractive but not that much have a much grimmer outlook on life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:39 PM
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What psychology and sociology try to find out about humans is part of the unfalsifiable. It cannot be proven right nor proven wrong for most of it. PPD topics are going to fall on either psychology or sociology. IDK what else you want there is in that piece of truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:36 PM
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Redpill made the assumptions in response to bluepill assumptions. Burden of proof is only a concept in courtrooms, not in debates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:34 PM
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Yeah I might have written this part too hastily forgetting that now women in the USA have a lot of nonsense degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:32 PM
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Your universal observation doesn't match my universal observation nor the observation of psychologists who conducted studies, nor of statisticians. Henry cavill once said "You just need to ask out the girl you like, it worked for me". I'm sure life has been horrible with this uberchad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:31 PM
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Your entire post is just assumptions. Why are you expecting higher standards from me than from yourself? This is called hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:29 PM
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I didn't say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:28 PM
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My eyes
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:27 PM
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Proof: google
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:27 PM
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I think my comment is pretty clearly not suggesting any belief on that. I'm simply saying you shouldn't be surprised a debate around unfalsifiable beliefs is only going to be unfalsifiable. If you're smart you can debunk someone's argument on logic alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:27 PM
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1) Sexual assertiveness is more alpha than absence of sexual assertiveness. 2) Men who get casual sex are also more masculine looking than those who don't. 3) Women still choose men who earn similar or more than them, who are similarly educated or more than them, who are same age or older than them. Men still end up paying the bills more, and women still end up being the ones who make professional and monetary compromises for kids. BB is still true and well alive. 4) Male casual sex havers have …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:18 AM
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Oh that's fascinating I totally never thought of this. Let's look at who is responsible for hiring: Still high status people, and they follow the directives of their boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:03 AM
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Halo effect is definitively helping out hot people being considered more competent by default. Yes they suffer the issues that successful people suffer, which is never worse than the issues unsuccessful people suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:59 AM
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What do you mean "like who" who do you think is recruiting hot women? A) people who aren't owning a company B) people who are owning a company
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:58 AM
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What do you mean she got 35 matches? I remember watching the video a while ago and she said that outside the first day there was essentially nothing and that women were clearly not putting efforts into the conversations. You're also making a strawman post. This guy isn't desperate. Matching right on everyone also doesn't change anything on your match rates, it even is reknown for worsening your visibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:53 AM
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Men cannot "just" work hard to be good at something. If you're shit looking as a man your skills are also disregarded or assumed absent. Men cannot "just" work hard on the dating market. They have to compensate for being men by default. Which is a problem women aren't having. What about the regular looking women who are genuinely good at something, They do just fine. They're assumed nicer, stabler and wiser by default than men. But just like men, if they're good in something that's judged unusua…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:36 AM
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Being her confident, doing emotional labor for her, hearing about her day and her dramas, having to compliment her. All of these usually being unidirectional. You might fall into this because you think this is a one time thing and you're nice, but it just never stops, they require daily attention and emotional management. That's the minimum, some friendzoned men do some things like driving her around and having dates with her that they pay for. Things the woman would do with her girl friends but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:51 AM
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There's no point trying to answer a strawman post, especially when the poster is just going to try to indirectly personally attack you and the mods won't acknowledge that and even likely warn you instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:46 AM
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Your imagination seems to be limited
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:42 AM
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Dude this is a sub about unfalsifiable stuff what did you expect. Do you also believe psychology and sociology are hard science? Come on you are decades late on your journey to intellectual maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:39 AM
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Maybe you should have approached him when he wasn't at his best in looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:38 AM
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The mods are enabling it btw, if you say anything on their same tone you get warnings and eventually ban.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:29 AM
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Is this a warning? Why the bias when clearly their comment was bait? What's even is personal here when they're being like this with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:28 AM
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Nurses was always a thing. Doctors people still claim is essentially men but it's not my experience. It's not just that, it's all of human resources, management, project chief, all of the bullshit industrial sedentary jobs who are going to be everywhere and in your face no matter what job you're doing. Recruiting has been feminized hard in these last 2 decades and it shows in how processes are now just like having a dating app profile and trying to get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:50 PM
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Imagine making imaginary barriers and differences when you can just accept that people have fun the way they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:43 PM
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Yes so much nuance gets overlooked. We didn't need researchers to be female for studies to be biased in favor of women though. men are also failing higher education at exponential rates What does "failing" mean? Aren't men rightfully uninterested by most of higher education? Or isn't it benevolent sexism that's pushing them away? I like that when feminism was confronted to the data, they switched immediately from "women underrepresented in college" to "women own most of the student loans". Men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:28 PM
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More like 150$ for an actual hour of decent acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 10:24 PM
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Dozens of people are playing games, sports, ect... with absolute strangers as well. It's empty to you, not to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:51 PM
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and young here mean "ages 18 to 20" not older. Yes it does mean older as well. The tendency only reverts at 50. Men in their 30th aren't having the time of their life either. he will have sex and some sort of relationship with women if he wanted to or tried but it won't be the "forever after" or the most mature relationship. The struggle will be much stronger than if there were no age gap or no shrinking population. And the relationship dynamics might be altered as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:42 PM
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I enjoy playing games with my kids even tho they're obviously garbage at them. The point is having fun with someone not it being always mindblowingly good. Expecting only mindblowing moments is a sign of a fried brain, too much social medias, too picky, too stingy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:20 PM
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Daily reminder that young men's celibacy is mathematically inescapable. As long as women consider younger men to be "literal kids" and are repulsed by them. And as long as every generation makes less kids than the precedent. Young men's dating pool will be miserably small while young women's dating pool will be huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:12 PM
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Women and blue pillers ruining the vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:03 PM
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I listened to women and followed their advices and I had no success. Then I stopped and I got more success. I trusted more my observations on their behavior than the words they'd tell me. Later I found out I'm not the only one and people commonly call these "observations" the red pill. But I need to go to therapy to fix the behaviors I adopted to fix the issues created by listening to women. Men are still generally expected to initiate sex and romance Well seems that OP isn't even listening to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:56 PM
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I know you'll never stop trying to find new angles for indirect personal attacks. But you won't salvage this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:50 PM
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So you only noticed them when they steal the pictures of Asian women. I notice them because they swipe right on me. Then I learn their patterns to try and avoid those before going through a fruitless conversation. You're trying to deny my experience by saying I got no swipe right because I was picky. But people liking your profile isn't dependent of who you swipe right on. You didn't have to try to deny my experience. But you tried and you lost and proved you don't know how these apps even work.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:46 PM
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I don't understand your comment. So I'll assume you meant "you only see scammers because you swipe only on very attractive women". It's the only way your comment makes any sense. Well no I don't, they're very recognizable and they actually use picture of these extremely uncanny looking chinese women. But they swipe right on you anyways and you get to know it if you pay the tinder subscription.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:34 PM
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No one thinks women are innocent Yes, everyone thinks women are naturally better people. When a woman is not innocent, they make excuse for her. This is a bias we all have innately. And men make up the most of REPORTED crimes. This is an important nuance. Men and women are obviously not equally violent physically.... But when it comes to non physical forms of violence and abuse, women are the champions. If men's superior physical strength is biological, women's superior social strength is also b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:27 PM
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My account was verified and boosted and it changed nothing compared to when it wasn't other than being more visible to scammers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:22 PM
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That's not how you formulate a question. You make it sound like you're not asking anything but rather express not understanding. Or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:01 PM
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This is the topic. You'd do good to remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:32 PM
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When you have more criterias than most other people, and not just vague criterias but precise ones that cut easily 90% of the pop, it's called being picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:07 AM
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Yeah anything women do gets to high mediatic level it doesn't mean much though because women in the medias are hypocrites who want money and attention. Just take a look at the fat acceptance movement go civil war over the invention of ozempic. I don't doubt significant amount of men and women just personally decide to stay alone for the rest of their life and achieve it without a problem. And people will continue to do so. It's just that the 4B branding is some social media buzzword fashion tren…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:17 PM
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You can't force yourself to be attracted to traits you find UNATTRACTIVE. But there are bazillion of things I'm not unattracted nor attracted to. Like I'm just neutral on those. And women are just not neutral on a lot of things it seems. That's called being picky. There's no positives to everyone being picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:39 PM
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What's up with russian spy generalities? What? Why do you tell me that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:08 PM
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There are exactly the same number of consistent experiences women could name about men. Men bad now? Yes! We've been told for decades that women do experience all the same things from all men and that it's not because of the men they pick. That "men bad". But when we talk about our shared experience as men, we're told "choose better, nawalt" And it doesn't stop at that, it's also true for women and the supposed "enthusiastic consent" or "if she really likes you she's direct/makes the first move"…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:06 PM
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I'm banging, just nobody has been direct with me ever. But thanks for the personal attack, definitively gives you credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:02 PM
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Incels: Picky low drive unassertive men who don't go outside Femcels: Picky low drive unassertive women who don't go outside Considering incels can just pay prostitutes and gain ground experience, or can try approaching women, and they don't.... And that femcels could get a man with minimal effort if they did anything like install an app and accept a man's attention even if it's not exactly the way they like it... The only conclusion one can have is that both are technically "volcels". But you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:01 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:56 PM
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he’s basically saying “I am so desperate I don’t care who she is.” That's your point of view. A point of view that typically only women and stingy/idealistic men have. Why not decide to see this as "I'm open minded and curious and able to appreciate someone for who they are". Since most people are not """compatible""" why not grow more open minded to compensate? This is just like the job market. Before, they'd hire someone and educate them. Now the only people who are fit for a job are those who…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:54 PM
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That's because you only read half my comment and then strawmaned it. But thanks for the cheap personal attack. To be relevant you'd have to explain to me how low obesity rate makes things easier for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:47 PM
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Virtual encompasses all that is not real here, it's either delusional or it can be temporary/delayed. It might be a wrong choice of word. For instance you might manage to get with someone far more attractive than you, then you think you're worth that, then a bit later you pay it back in another form. Or you see a lot of men that are very attractive approach you and you might believe you're worth this kind of league but you've not actually tried to get anything from these men yet. In both case yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:46 PM
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Simps isn't popularity they're not equals to them. Popularity is having a social circle that's comprised of other attractive and popular people on an equal ground, they reject simps even tho they could have many. A woman who only has simps is not popular, she's an attention wh*re. There are a lot of women who have simps but are FSM rejects. is that they’re more willing to let someone treat them like shit if it means they get the dream guy they always wanted, looks wise. Being "treated like shit"…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:19 PM
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I don't believe in men and women having an asymmetrical worth on average. So opinions based around most women being worthier than most men is to me just virtual.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:09 PM
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And yet, the women are far pickier and psycho so it balances things out. Those who tried both my country and USA report my country's women being far more difficult to deal with. As a short man there's no mystery why half of my opportunities weren't white women. And the other half were anticonformist white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:00 PM
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Then the issue is a lot of guys aren’t touching grass. On the contrary, the issue is women not touching grass. The most popular girl has never not been pretty. Popular isn't "has a lot of simps". That’s not how insecurity works Yes it is. Women overcompensating for their defect with higher standards on things they're bad at is common. Short woman => wants a tall man Ugly woman => wants an attractive man
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:59 PM
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That worth is virtual, not real. Public school are typically where most men get their appreciation of average vs attractive, because schools are just full of random people. Having an army of simp is not a question of top 20% attractiveness but of behavior, simps stick to someone who is open to receiving that attention, they're not ugly women, but they're typically the ones who have something to prove, AKA not the stacies. I live in a country with only 10% obesity rate btw. Only one person in my …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:41 PM
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Most men can relate to not having ever had a woman who was "actually attracted to them" by these standards yet people on this sub with these standards refuse to acknowledge women don't want most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:17 PM
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Nothing intriguing about it. Their community was just gender war memes. The principle is so simple they don't even need a community.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:09 PM
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You see their comments as deleted and their account as not existing. Despite you can see them when logged off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:04 PM
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ever heard of mgtow? that predates 4B.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:33 PM
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So should I call out all the women who watch true crimes and other stuff like this hypocrites when they say they want not a murderer as husband but actually someone nice? Or do you admit the absurdity of your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:31 PM
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I've fixed my mom's computer countless times, now give me the BJs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:29 PM
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"the feminine urge to counter a generality with an anecdote" isn't a meme for no reason either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:28 PM
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Bahaha on discord we have a girl who keeps trying incessantly to prove she's so ugly that she can't have a husband nor a job. They exist, they're everywhere and they're complaining, on this very sub even, but it's never because they actually struggle, it's because they're actually turbo picky or neurotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:23 PM
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If only the idea of "civility" and "contentless rhetoric" made any sense. You need to make it clear to people that "I[M] think you[F]'re clearly hateful" is a personal attack but "I[F] think you[M]'re clearly hateful" is fair debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:21 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:19 PM
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2 years ago I blocked someone and a mod banned me until I unblocked them. x)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:18 PM
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The block function is ass, last time I checked it still stops you from discussing with other people if the one who blocked you is in the comment tree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:17 PM
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I don't believe that's what assimilated means, it's a question of culture and values. Public mandatory school exists for cultural unicity. But eventually if the kid grows among one community and never mix it's going to lead to higher rates of not being assimilated. Kids growing in ghettos becoming thugs and drug dealers/outlaws is super common, how do you explain this if school is all that's necessary? Private schools also exist. Eventually you're getting tiny countries in your country and that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:38 PM
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I think I misunderstood your sentence sorry. Obviously kids are going to speak the local tongue better than their parents. I thought you meant "than the locals". I'm not sure why it matters though. banning veils is dumb. a stupid rule like that isnt what assimilates kids. We need to be intolerant of intolerant cultures. Or our tolerant culture will get replaced. It's a simple (contradictory) phenomenon. ive spent thousands just to prevent my kids from being too assimilated. :|... Yeah a lot of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:27 PM
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they all assimilate. basically none of them feel more comfortable in the other country. Oh the extremists don't ever step a foot there. You see in my country there's quite a big amount of turkik people, and for "some reason" they're more supportive of the turkish despot than the turkish people living there. :') they speak better the language of the country they were born in than the one their parents were born in. You're being delulu, and I bet you come from somewhere that points finger at count…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:15 PM
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Nah you're just strawmaning and trying to change the subject. ashpr0ulx tried to have an argument about it being an economic factor. Reread the convo or get better at verbal logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:12 PM
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You're shifting the argument, the question isn't "having a great time" but "having more kids".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:01 PM
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Freedom to not reproduce doesn’t punish anyone. There's a difference between "freedom to not reproduce" and "using that freedom to choose to not reproduce". One is a right I want people to have, the other is punishing the system that gave them freedom. The economy can just adapt Nah it cannot and will not. Because it benefits the bigger group which is going to be the older generations. Do you have this same vitriol for childfree men? I'm just applying the typical vitriol workfree men are getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:58 PM
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Typical PPD mod sexism :(
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:53 PM
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Then why are the poorest people of the first world countries, where kids are not free labor and are economic burdens, higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:53 PM
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Yeah you especially are not understanding this is exactly my point. People with freedom choose to have less kid, which is saying "I don't want to contribute to this system that gives me freedom", which means it'll eventually go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:51 PM
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People with money and education are the ones who have the most freedom, so it makes all sense. People in third world make kids because kids represent labor power. I knew past the "very ignorant bait" I'd find out a very ignorant and illogical take, shouldn't have read.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:51 PM
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Even those who do have kids generally do not want to have very many these days. Yes but they're less blamable. I don't know how many men you're going to find who want a whole baseball team either. Those who want a baseball team are responsible for the boomer generations anyway so they're to be inhibited one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:49 PM
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and assimilate huhuhu about this.... From experience, immigrant kids are 50/50 either they like the culture here and assimilate or they don't and they become extremists even more than their parents ever could. Or they just don't assimilate and live in their micro community.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:47 PM
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Yeah no she's not my equal. I'm not from her country, I was taught critical thinking in mine and I'm far superior :smirk: /s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:45 PM
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Blame the banks for this in particular. AFAIK the inflation in home price and rents is not because of offer or demand in logement. But about a change in loans. At least that's how economists said it went for my country, before you were limited in the loans you could take based on your salary, once they lifted the limits then inflation could go ham.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:56 PM
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The cycle be cycling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:54 PM
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They can afford it, they just can't afford kids with the stupidly high ideals they have in mind, they also cherish their confort too much. Yes countries should reward parents more, especially the middle class because countries tend to help more the poor people while taxing the middle class. But also, women should accept the sacrifices that is making kids for the well being of future women and perpetuation of their egalitarian values.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:52 PM
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Immigrant males tend to be low value so they do not pull down the other men's value, but their women are good competition against the local women. Though they do pull salaries down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:50 PM
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Yes. But that's local women's fault. Again, by not being reasonable in their standards and willingness to make kids because they're free not to, they are punishing the system that gives women freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:40 PM
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Does it? Immigration brings in women who are enjoying the freedom and willing to make kids with the local men. It's good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:31 PM
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The only people punished by this will be the lower class though. There's no natural shifting towards a system that benefits the lower class better if there's no periodic culling of the ruler/rich class. And with modern technology it's now impossible to cull them like france did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:30 PM
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Then why are the poorest people having more kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:29 PM
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Women being more free and using that freedom to make less kids is just them punishing the system that gave them more freedom. Because eventually systems with higher birth rates and less rights for women are going to take over. Long term it's going to bounce back to less freedom for women. So childfree women are indirectly misogynistic and working against women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:44 PM
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With a woman whose pussy was rugous? No. If I had to guess a ratio, condom sex in my life must represent only 2% of all the sex I've had :') I hate condoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:22 PM
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it makes some crazy difference with a condom on. Wish I experienced it without a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:02 PM
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Is it a weird english term or is the idea that vagina texture can be different puzzles you? I was puzzled too, the differences can be huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:52 AM
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Yeah, like not a smooth texture. It grips.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:50 AM
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Yes it's fair to point out stupid arguments, BUT THEY DONT DO IT. You have more efficient tools to dismantle stupidity and these people are choosing to go with the worst. Female recurrent troll posters typically get more thought out criticism as first answers. I blame moderation for being biased. Which they admitted several times before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:38 AM
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But the man who made a post didn't dish out anything, why do you say "he can't take what he dishes out"? You're forcing me to interpret this as you punishing him for what other men did before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:36 AM
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So you admit to being sexist, if the poster is a man, he's faulty of everything other men told you and that gives you the right to break rule 2?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:25 AM
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Well, the posts don't dish out anything. So why do you feel righteous?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:12 AM
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Most posts are full of highest upvoted comments that are absurd personal attacks or dismissive contentless rhetoric. Like a guy will have an unpopular opinion more or less well structured and totally impersonal. Lots of legit criticizing and counter arguments can be made. But no, the first comment is going to be "why do you want to be with women if you hate them so much" or some other shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:05 AM
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Yeah it's crazy to think that if there's such a tax it should be put on women because they're the picky ones and they're the bottleneck of reproduction. But best bet is that it'll be put on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:01 AM
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If a woman thinks less of me for looking at her and being attracted to her then that means my behavior is working at repelling the bad women away. Like you literally can't lose with communicating more that you're into sex and into women, best you get is sex, worst you get is women who would never have sex with you get away from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:59 AM
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I think you're a stereotype of this country, but I can be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:53 AM
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I think your country is a massive double eco chamber that is infecting the entire western world
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:47 AM
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Considering everything we discuss is unfalsifiable, then rendering logically unsound something is the only thing that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:41 AM
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Yeah I dislike the new way reddit handles the default listing of a subreddit, it often gives you a few days old threads. That doesn't stop you from acting normally and answering normally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:37 AM
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You quoted a sentence suggesting I'm dangerous or boundary pushing for... comforting a woman about me being attracted despite her expecting me not to be. That's a strawman or just hallucination. Eitherway you've lost, good bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:36 AM
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Well you repeating the same stuff now, so you lost that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:55 AM
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This entire sub is about the unfalsifiable. Debating logic of ideas is how you do it, certainly not ad hominems.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:41 AM
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I'm just ESL my thesaurus is not the common one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:36 AM
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Why not? vagina's textures are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:33 AM
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I don't see OP doing an ad hominem on all of you. I see you doing an ad hominem on him. If his points or lack of aren't inspiring you you can just not intervene.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:29 AM
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I think people do it much more often and I don't see guys like you say it's creepy and autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:25 AM
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Would you have said the same if I talked about dicks? Don't think so. But thank you Tank farm Murdock for propagating the american anti-intellectual bully culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:16 AM
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Women's vaginas are not equal. Some are super tight and present rugous texture. Some are wide and smooth. Some are deep some are shallow. The tightest and most rugous where from the higher N count ones. I wonder how much of the width depends on the pelvic gap. That'd be a shame because wide pelvic gaps make hips look manifold more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:07 AM
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The market is that bad. WOmen still discriminate for men their age of older and rarely younger. The pyramid of age is inverted. Meaning there are more older men than there are younger women. That means a lot of men competing for not a lot of women. And that's the definition of a bad market and it's getting worse. What happens to older women you want to know? Well they're alone, the men same age or older than them all died.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:44 AM
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You were lucky, why didn't you keep her? There won't be another.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:42 AM
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I'm watching your entire country do it, it's bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:39 AM
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Good luck with finding a woman with a high libido for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:38 AM
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It's still not about him, it's not about "liking", it's about people being bad partners. Bad partners like "my gf dreamed I cheated on her so she's giving me cold treatment and verbal abuse all day" or "I'm canceling my night out with my friends because my gf said it was <<<fine>>>" or "I wanted to leave my job because I hate it but she told me she's dump me if I did" or "She rejects sex all the time but once every year I reject her once and she becomes angry and abusive" or "My gf is right, eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:34 AM
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Considering the rates of deadbedrooms among lesbians is it not easily comparable to just going out with your male friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:25 AM
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the difference being that women are highly wanted and not men. One side doesn't have to put as much effort into being good partner as the other, they don't have a pressure for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:24 AM
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If you don't want to debate then stop coming here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:22 AM
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Oh it acknowledges it and their reason is basically "skill issue" to young men and "you're probably misogynistic that's why" and "feminism will fix this".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:53 AM
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Next to this thread there's a thread where there's an university study about a system where women have kids alone and men are marginalized. We already live in a dystopia, a dystopia where both men and women are useful to society but men's presence isn't necessary, just their labor. So women can just turn around and be like "What are men even good for?". Women have sperm banks, and can buy next to anything that men produce for society. But women's typical working class jobs require their immediat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:37 AM
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Work is a form of selling your body. I'd be a male whore if I could, but nobody's buying. I don't think the lack of male prostitutes is a sign of more ethics, just a sign of less demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:30 AM
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men’s utility to “free women” has been so diminished it's not been diminished, it's been virtualized. You need to directly interact with the nurse that heals you, you don't need to interact with the guy who built the hospital. Men are absurdly useful to society and women are using the fruit of men's labor freely. That's the issue. Fix that and you'll fix the fallacy of men's diminished utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:25 AM
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I'm calling for taxing out single childless women. :] mass import of foreign women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:21 AM
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We're not asking women to lower their standards. We're asking women to have the standards (and lower threshold for passion that goes with it, despite you somehow think it doesn't) they claimed they have all this time during these decades of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:20 AM
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More strawmans. You lost this argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:01 PM
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you need to push womens boundaries for your own happiness. That's a strawman I never said nor implied that. but also dont let anyone's silly little opinion stand in the way of your happiness. Yes. When a woman is afraid I'm not going to like her because <<insert random unfounded insecurity here>> I don't back off. When my wife says 50 times a day "I don't like my belly it's big" (she literally has abs and a little lower belly pouch) should I back off thinking she doesn't like me or should I make…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:26 PM
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No, you're giving excuses to incels not to ever act like women expect men to act. If men would stop flooding women they could finally take a breath and actually engage with men on a neutral level instead of keeping their defences up. I was raised to believe this and no woman ever engaged with me on a "neutral level". There has been women who hid their feelings for me for years and then moved on and told me when it was too late. People will keep their "defenses up" because they can be shy or inse…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:08 PM
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99% of the time when someone is a "proof?" kinda person and they bring their own evidences, it's never relevant :'( I wish people accepted none of PPD is falsifiable. I also wish people would use AI to pre-shot how badly they didn't understand something.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:58 PM
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Stop pursuing women that aren't enthusiastic about you. None of my gfs seemed enthusiastic in term of body language or words. Yet they all reproached that I wasn't assertive enough and took my time too much. Also they hate explicit consent asking. they prefer it being more organical. If you you have to bargain for any of these things the woman isn't into you and you should end it immediately. Women are simply not that much into any man until the man "proves himself", quitting before that happens…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:21 AM
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Or just accept that it's rigged and therefore that it's useless noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:14 AM
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I mean I've sufficiently seen people hallucinate things that are not said in an article. Considering articles are also hallucinating things that are not said in the studies/scientific papers they base themselves on. Scientific paper: There's an higher chance of 5% of Y happening when X, we can't show there's a correlation between X and Y. Article: X leads to Y Redditor: X is beneficial to Z (another thing that is not correlated with Y but they hallucinated it)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:13 AM
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Some women have this tendency to require boyfriend roles and services from you as their male friend while giving you none of the girlfriends benefits. They might see it with a bad eye that you get a real girlfriend and have to be less close to them, you don't need enemies when you have a friend like this. Some other women have more restraint and will function more like equal acquaintances, and going out with them can make you meet more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:07 AM
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Handsome: meh Socially intelligent: meh Uncanny: yes Black: yes A lot of it will depend where he is geographically, but I think seeing this man as above average is a mistake. Also watch all women blame it on some thing insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:01 AM
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This is incredibly misogynist, misandrist and liberticide. Everything you say suggests women have zero agency and could very well applied to the concept of EMPLOYMENT.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:19 AM
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I know how to code but not how to draw, and I've tried making games for a decade. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:09 AM
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Women who struggle on dating apps all have this in common: They don't like sex and don't like men that much. Women with no profile info and no picture will still get matches and convos from men no problem. You can't have a bad profile as a woman, it's just impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:07 AM
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OP is mgtow disguising themselves as red piller when you stop being delusional and actually listen to what they saying you see women not lying. Textbook blue pill sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:05 AM
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I'm right though, studies, psychology and PPD are infalsifiable. Everything we debate will never be provable true or not. Your study is based on data that depends on people's willingness to report things happening to them or willingness to put labels on them. I don't even need to read it to know that rates of report and rates of occurrence are not the same. You simply can't claim otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:57 PM
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Yes. I didn't read the study. Studies don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:24 PM
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I've never met a man who did show sexual attention to underage women. This post is pretending it's men as a whole. Most women I know who complain about it are blaming muslim men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:48 PM
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and women are getting worse That or men are just reporting it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:45 PM
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Classic example of loaded question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:42 PM
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This isn't just guys, women also tell you to go out and that it works better than online.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:40 PM
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How is becoming a pastor going to help?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:33 AM
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Woa they big dumb. They are unhappy that male twitch streamers are ugly while female ones are pretty. Maybe because twitch's users are men??? Female tiktokers watched by women are all ugly as hell as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:30 AM
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Would be nice to know the pattern
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:26 AM
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I mean why delivery apps specifically? So many things can be listed alongside...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:50 AM
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That's a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:43 PM
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Bear isn't a vilain. As far as I remember he has not been violent in the movie at all. Internet outrages are insane, bear hardly did anything wrong other than take too much time to understand. it's explicit that he doesn't believe in the wish for more than half the movie but people still think he intentionally stripped her of her agency. If there's anything to say about this movie, it's like a lot of men walked outside reevaluating how abusive their girlfriend is. Because the earlier stage of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:41 PM
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In both case, men and women are voicing what they like in a person once they pass a threshold. Women don't care about height in men. The loophole being that when a man is short he's not considered a man. (I'm short, I've been told I'm not a man so many times) Men don't care about makeup in women who have a beautiful face. But yeah generally men don't mind makeup that is designed to remove imperfections. Not makeup that is designed to fake entire features.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:35 PM
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A woman getting compliments on merely existing is a woman that is dropped dead gorgeous. Since you consider 80% of women drop dead gorgeous then that's all fine...?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:30 PM
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I don't think I've heard women make those arguments at all. Typically the female experience is they're drowning under options that they're not satisfied with, while men simply have no options. So please, enlighten me on what would be the supposed rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:44 PM
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You guys only look at Stacies if you think that's the norm for women. You're reversing the gender roles here. Everyone knows that it's women who consider nothing but 8/10 men as being attractive. All the others have to "prove themselves" by jesting and doormating. It does and the compliments typically come from other women. Yes because no man will compliment women on their fake nails, their thick redrawn masculine eyebrows, because men don't like those and it's just not what men care about in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:41 PM
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Yeah I expected someone would say that. But from their phrasing it felt more like they meant the veggie salad, not a composed meal. And if you pay attention to my phrasing I'm more explicit. Salads rarely are just about vegetables they have meat. Plenty of veggies in other meals as well. And a lot of salads are not lightweight in calories.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:30 PM
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That's what your biased perception tells you. Most of these will be bots and scammers is why it leads nowhere. And a lot of time people match with you, say one word, and never check the chat again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:28 PM
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Matches ain't options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:27 PM
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People don't like to be told "be yourself" when it hasn't worked before nor "be someone else" since it's impossible, crazy isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:23 AM
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How many of these 69 women have they seen on a date? How many on multiple dates? Tinder subreddit guys are posting more detailed charts like this one : https://i.redd.it/4u58b3cthsy91.jpg 200 matches, 94 chats, 1 failed date. 69 matches seem like it'd lead to 0 date in comparison. These charts were super common at some point and all showed an incredibly low date rate, and even lower successful date rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:20 AM
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Now that you've dealt with the tangential point, which you're still wrong about, (but who cares being right about what is red pill on the subreddit debating red pill hahaha????), can you address the real main point?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:16 AM
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This is the problem with you red pillers. You think you can put everyone into a box. Many, many people love salads. I’m one of them. I crave vegetables. Salad is not only useless it's also tasteless. So women who say they love salad are just virtue signalers. Plenty of vegetables are better and more useful. Women are not marrying men they don’t find attractive. Women are convinced that average men are 2/10. Yeah they totally do marry men they don't find attractive. They marry men who they initia…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:13 AM
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If they settled that means you passed the other requirement's thresholds...?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:11 AM
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Have they done anything for people to compliment them? Women simply exist. They think their grooming is what leads to compliments, it doesn't, it's them existing. But most men get laid. Most men don't get laid much compared to their efforts. Women get laid too much compared to their efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:09 AM
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No, they want to be liked, respected and admired too. Among other things. Being attractive helps in getting these emotions in other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:08 AM
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I try to explain to everyone how extreme some blue pillers can be and I'm told I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:58 PM
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rbumble proves men do in fact have options rbumble is full of men showing they have 1% rate of success I decided it proved they have options also I conflate red pill and black pill So not only is it not red pill , it's also not options to have 1% rate of success on a dating app. When I was on tinder, I'd get 2 matches a day. These 2 matches being chinese scammers. I'd have maybe one real conversation a month that would result in nothing. You must understand that 1% of these swipe are right, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:57 PM
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Don't call me a liar I've used the word "SEEM". Lilith I'm not dumb I know you'd get banned if you were more explicit. Your posts make no sense if we don't consider the subtext. I invite you to try and re-explain yourself in case you still think I'm wrong. What is your point with this post? what do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:04 PM
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That's an FDS myth or a self fulfilling prophecy. They'd say anything to avoid concluding that they failed at securing the guy. Women who are sexual and good sex have literally issues with men who want to stick around despite the girl just wanted NSA sex. Nobody pump and dumps them. Victims of pump and dump are girls who look like they get pumped and dumped. They're bland, fugly, shallow, do no effort in the seduction phase, and are likely starfishers. They always get men who are far above their…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:58 PM
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Because addressing toxic masculinity is going against the pressure men have. You seem to be telling men that if they were more toxically masculine they'd stop complaining about male issues. But shouldn't you be telling men to not be that way? Shouldn't you stop mischaracterizing bringing up social differences and issues as "playing victim"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:55 PM
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We've always disliked hypocrites and called out women for pushing feminist or egalitarian values but also still pressuring men into male gender roles, which women are eager to blame on the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:42 PM
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The problem is you're mischaracterizing them so that you can call them feminine using patriarcal values which you said many times you don't adhere to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:28 PM
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"men are intimidated by women" opinions are self fulfilling prophecies. And it's absurd to ask this to women because of course women love to pretend that men are intimidated. :') Women are the ones who apply "equal or higher" filters onto men. You know this by how many of them call men 1 year younger than them "literal kids". You know this by how many say they want "at least" their equal in status, education and income and how everyone validates these standards as "the bare minimum". I won't pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:40 AM
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You can get someone to act a bit like this without them being even obsessed with you. That's called BPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:41 PM
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Some people can. They're the kind that don't have an identity on their own to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:21 PM
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Thanks lilith for propagating patriarcal values.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:51 PM
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Fortune 500? Sounds like an admission to having a fake useless job. Like product manager.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:47 PM
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Thanks Adjective-CommonNoun4digits for your useless intervention.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:46 PM
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Bedrest? ain't very efficient. Talk to me about laziness when your contribution to society is a net positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:44 PM
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Well you lose to a vibrator because your idea of red pill is a strawman. Also could you please fucking look at western europe or obama america before you make these kind of generalisations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:43 PM
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I can't tell if you're talking of her or of me. x)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:37 PM
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yes exactly, /u/beautiful_falcon776 is the sum of all the women who marry older men, richer men, taller men, bigger men, more dominant men, higher status men. Always in an "equal or higher" than them or than other men fashion. It's not the women doing it, he's responsible. just like everything, alpha is a stereotype of what men think women want. Just like when women make up bullshit like the thigh gap, not understanding men are into women with wide pelvic gaps. But women are definitively going f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:34 PM
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I like you like any other male acquaintance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:32 PM
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That's only defeatist to your perspective. Again, I'm not blackpill. Optimistic folks need positive surrounding to try. If something fail their whole everything fails. I don't need that to be motivated to try. And I know plenty of positive people who don't try anything, being positive doesn't stimulate change and adaptation, which is lazy. Look at the answer Serious-Rain-9772 gave me, she admitted to not pondering, not thinking, not trying to understand the world, textbook lazy. And I personally…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:27 PM
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I don’t really sit and ponder gender dynamics. The feminine urge to contradict themselves in as least words as possible! WHY WOULD YOU BE ON PPD IF YOU DONT PONDER GENDER DYNAMICS??? Why do you blame others for being lazy and admit yourself to never give a thought to anything? All I care about is that you are a productive member of society Oh I am. Are you? How many kids are you actively raising? I just probably wouldn’t sit long with you at a happy hour. Me neither, someone self congratulating …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:23 PM
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Im sooo ugly and everyone hates me! It’s teenage angst people grow out of. Do you talk to women? Because that's how a lot of women feel their entire life. They usually blame it on the patriarcat or men and are usually validated in doing so. have you missed all these young women who grow eating disorder because they want to be like these instagram women who have dream lives? But I agree both are immature. However, one is really facing troubles, and it's men. Because there is a shortage of availab…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:16 PM
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Positive people will repeat the same cultist beliefs over and over. How is this not lazy? I'm not black pill but your kind always think my perspective on things is very sad. It's not sad for me, questioning the established narrative (likely the one you spread as well) has improved my life immensely and is much more comforting to me than positive lies. Being pragmatic is also my job. And I would be considered nihilistic in how I will reject other people trying to impose "the meaning of life" onto…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:13 PM
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even if a slight age gap is internalized misogyny and mostly conditioned to women by society. INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY? no, it's misandry. Women talk of men sightly younger than them as "literal kids". Nobody's educating women to think of younger men as kids. How many times have manosphere loudmouths tell women we’re expired after 25-30? The relevance? a bunch of men here said he’s only with me because he couldn’t get someone younger. And when I comment my experience of being married to someone 4 y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:13 PM
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Men have never been as educated, as egalitarian, as respectuous of women's rights, as civilized. Men have never put as much efforts into their grooming and looks as now as well. women decide to pair even less with men Yeah sure, it's men's fault and totally not women being picky. Average women date average men, everybody date within their socio-economic class in general. Most women seem to date men their age. Except they don't, most women date men sightly older, and religiously refuse to date me…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:39 PM
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Whatever makes your day feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:31 PM
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If you hadn't the "blue pill woman" label I'd not know if you are a blue piller or a redpiller based on your comment alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:18 PM
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As opposed to the other belief systems that are sexist and misogynistic but pretend they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:14 PM
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That's part of HR. Thanks for the useless nitpick.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:22 PM
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Vegetarian is a nice curse to have to get extra point to invest in her build. But I think you're missing a few key parts of women's skill tree to really get a long lasting healthy relationship, like "enjoys sex" and "not bipolar".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:00 AM
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Most women are actually jealous of you. Some women are jealous of men's invisibility but that doesn't mean they'd enjoy it if it happened to them. Many FtM reported they had a hard time with the transition to invisibility. Some will enjoy it though! Everyone their shit! you’re actually in a much better position than an attractive woman. "you're actually in a much better position than the rich famous actor! look at them they can't exist because of paparazis so much that they have to go around in …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:48 PM
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And that to marry poorer men that they'll provide for? Or just grow higher standards on the wealth of their husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:50 PM
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There's literally black pill in employment, as in your looks obviously affects it and there are people who think it's the only thing that matters. But there's also what you talk about, I'd just not put it as equivalent of black pill. I thought you were going to claim rather that companies are acting like women, and that HRs being essentially women makes the most sense. They scrutinize you over nonsense then they pretend they have it the hardest on the job market. Laments that they're only gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:01 PM
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What does "supporting age gap relationships TO A FAULT" even mean? since abuse and manipulation from someone with far more life experience and at a complete different stage of life happens far more often than not. That's spook beliefs. Women who date older people are more like "he's less annoying about sex, has less energy and has more money", if anything they're the ones more likely to get manipulated. A young man full of energy, testosterone, and with a huge libido, is a source of much more pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:57 PM
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I'm paid talking shit on here, I focus on my life outside of work, thank you very much for your concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:56 PM
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those usually don’t just let any dude in either Ding ding ding. If they don't just let any dude in then it's for privileged men. AKA men who have a lot of female friends and a good standing or men with a really good standing or relations. People don't seem to understand that being around women is difficult. You experience it first in highschool where mixed group of friends will have the men bully you away (basically bouncers) if you're a threat to the presence of the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:26 PM
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Not just "great for hookups". Apps are also great for relationships. But relationships will start with sex, because men don't want to commit to women they've not vetted out as good sexual partners. The apps worsen this phenomenon but that's just how things work anywhere else except in tradcon spheres.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:23 PM
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Because these are low quality women who have little to offer and can't retain men. Usually all summarized by the fact they're not sexual. It doesn't change that they can still get dates with men abnormally more attractive compared to what they'd get without dating apps. A woman can log into that app, get a date in 20 minutes, maybe even less, with a guy who will move his ass to her and not the other way around, and who will be more attractive than her. And if she's open for sex, he'll likely wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:36 AM
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That doesn't mathematically make sense, and you know it's not true. No I know women have no mathematical intuition. They think that because a lot of men have a gf it means it was easy for them to find her. Most strategies are not yielding a lot of results for most men, it's just simple as that. They have simply the choice to dose how likely they'll get rejected with how many women they can approach. Warm approach has an higher success rate with a lower amount of woman. You have to be in social s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:30 AM
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and a losing strategy for 99.99% of men. Everything is a losing strategy for 99.99% of men. you don’t know if she’s single, straight, an appropriate age, That's true for any woman even in places where you're told you can approach. Warm approaching is much better. You need a constant flow of new women in your social circle for that, and that's a luxury 99.99% of men don't have. If you wouldn’t randomly go up to a fellow man and get to know him Pretty sure there are far far far more contextes in w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:57 PM
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Thanks. Now onto the next step OP: Don't listen to women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:54 PM
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If you don't have much success you won't have much success doing anything at all. There's nothing that works sufficiently. Might as well get an actual contact with a woman in real life and not get summarized into a few pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:53 PM
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Bars, clubs, hobby places. All of which are full of 1) men and few women 2) women who are "just here with their friend" and who don't want to be approached as well
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:51 PM
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There are plenty of hobbies meant to socialize and engage with other people in the area And there's as many women who will tell you these hobbies are not meant to approach women. I now have to be afraid that if I say no he will harass me and suddenly my neighborhood gym/store/area is no longer safe for me and I must figure out a new place to go that is out of my way Same for hobbies. I understand the difference between a hobby place and a gym, but the way you explain it makes it sound like you'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:50 PM
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Why would a woman being short mean she'd love short men? Did you read the comment? He said it'd be cool. Women literally tell short men to go for short women. Everyone except short women believe this is the natural order of thing so everyone gets a gender role and sexual dimorphism adequate height gap. That short women evaluate men based on other men instead of their own height is just called hypergamy and is considered like entitlement. Short women aren't particularly more feminine on top of it…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:24 PM
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Stop analysing human interactions like mathematical equations. Women do it, when they give advice they do it too, when they look at a man's tinder profile they do it again. The men here are so shitty at understanding this that they genuinely think that 'emotional intelligence' is a made up term 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ It's real but the idea that women are better at it is just dumb, women are notoriously uncapable to understand men. Women's emotional intelligence is just for understanding other women, and a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:13 PM
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Are you aware nothing of what's discussed on this subreddit can be proven? You can leave this sub entirely now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:09 PM
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No, logic says it's normal for you to not be attracted to shortness in men because it's part of sexual dimorphism. But you implied short men are women, basically saying if you're a woman's height then you're a woman. Then, if you've the height of a kid, you're a kid. Seems like it's also sexual dimorphism for women to not understand simple logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:06 PM
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You seem to agree with OP while pretending you don't. Feminism being for equality only in word and not in reality is more or less his post.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:02 PM
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Neoteny isn't sexual dimorphism. I'm just using your logic against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:00 PM
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If men are women for being short then short women are kids and shouldn't be allowed 1) driving licence 2) jobs 3) anything really, go to school forever and stay with your parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:57 PM
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Yes they also say this which is equally bad :(
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:56 PM
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They want a one size fits all approach to dating and/or life. Yep. Men don't need to hear the bazillion different women's standards for when it is ok to approach. Men need to be told by other men to just approach. And that works. For example, marriage. The only reason for marriage, according to RP, is to have children. If you don't have children, no need to get married. Yep, actually a common thing in france to have kids then to marry. they want to view attractive men as cheaters/players/bad guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:53 PM
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can't you guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:51 PM
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She needs to have one good perk.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:51 PM
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I don't, that's describing most women here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:49 PM
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nah I'm on the fatties side here. Fuck their dance x)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:48 PM
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What social mores are you upset that women don’t “have to” ‘adhere to’? Oh no I'm ok with that! I'm not ok with them enforcing male social mores while continuously claiming they're uniquely pressured by female social mores. In what ways are they ‘neurotic’? What do you mean in what ways? In all the ways! Women are simply more neurotic is a general known phenomenon, even if you disagree with it you must have heard of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:19 PM
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Women are expected to adhere to a lot of social mores Yet they don't adhere to them, thanks to feminism they don't have to. Unless they're neurotic, which they are. Men are anonymous. Women meanwhile go through life under a spotlight. Rare agreeing with gravel roads This is why men are more often elected to office and given promotions in jobs - because it’s assumed you’ll do better than women. That's false in first world countries. Which I agree north america isn't. Even in patriarcal and semi-f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:19 PM
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Here is the first google answer: a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is reckoned through the male line. Eldest males aren't the head of family anymore and since a long time. Checkmate clearly. But I know I know, it has other definitions! They popped when patriarchy was gone and feminism was attempting to stay relevant. It went from "patriarchy is men being the head of the family in the law" to "patriarchy is men having money and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:10 PM
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How can unreasonable bad women rise reasonable good daughters? Do you think feminism telling men to police each others and to better each others, to raise their kids with considerations for women, is unreasonable because all the men were bad? Why don't you critic that instead of criticizing those who think the message should be broader in the name of equality? Why aren't men focused on teaching men to do better then? They are???
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:40 PM
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men have been telling women how to exist since forever (how to dress, who to pick, how much are they allowed to have sex, etc) No argument here? no, the patriarchy is the problem Where is the patriarchy? Nowhere. You've had decades of women being raised by feminists and male gender norms still go strong. This has been explained a million times but it's impossible to reason with people who are too comfortable being victims. Yeah I feel that way too about women always blaming patriarchy for everyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:38 PM
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The logic is that women should be told to be better, be more reasonable and raise their daughters better. Which for some reason you have decided to consider a thought so misogynistic that men would want women eradicated from the surface of the planet. You also need to realize that men are fighting against the mainstream current which is "men are the problem, men are the cause of every problem, men should police each others and better themselves" ect... Which if we want to be fair, should also be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:25 PM
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I haven't done that, if you're truly concerned about individuals wanting society to bend to their whim, then reproach it to lilith who started it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:59 PM
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Plenty of women are sending mixed signals like not wanting a second date but still expecting to be paid for their time. As you said, you can't trust cultural norms. But I think you cannot trust women with communication either. But as a general rule, you don't facilitate women's job, they want their stuff paid they have to ask, so they're the ones who should ask beforehand, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:58 PM
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I don't see the relevance to what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:55 PM
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When I was a kid the "I am married now I can get fat and stop pretending I like sex" was a common media trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:31 PM
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Try to read a little about common logical fallacies then, won't hurt to put a name on things you'd need 3 sentences to explain before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:16 PM
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Yet I'm paraphrasing you. Are you suggesting your post is just a complaint lilith?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:04 PM
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Yes, so they're sticking anxiety and lack of confidence on me for... having an opinion. Typical fallacious debating tactic on PPD, thus why I call them underthinker, because they can't debate properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:01 PM
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I don't have a complaint. That's why I "act" confused. All of you seem focused on mischaracterizing me instead of addressing anything said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:00 PM
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Why does lilith want men to bend to her whim? Ask her, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:00 PM
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Women making their own money doesn’t make men poorer I shouldn't have to explain to anyone the principles of law of offer and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:41 AM
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That's the contradiction for indoor people, they need to go outside and hope to find an indoor people who is currently outside. Dating apps were great for this until it got full of outdoor people only.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:27 AM
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Now women make their own money which makes men poorer overall. Therefore bills have to be split, and women agree with this. Everyone is happy. Men don't have to be upfront about something very normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:21 AM
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The norm is to split, therefore you don't need to be upfront. They need to be upfront if they want to get their date paid for them. They're going to have to be assertive for their greedy date requirements. That's equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:20 AM
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Why don't you challenge OP instead of me since you clearly disagreeing with her and not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:17 AM
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Why are you accusing people of anything instead of addressing the point I made? If splitting the bill is the norm, then men don't need to be upfront about it. Simple logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:14 AM
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No. It's not. It's those who want the other to pay to raise their voice. They have to take accountability. The norm is to split, that's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:09 AM
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If most women are happy to split the bill, then the norm isn't for men to pay. Therefore when lilith said men should warn women before a date, she's being wrong. again, your looking for reasons to complain You're looking for reasons to put names and words on me. You want to disagree but you're not sure how because you've still not addressed my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:05 AM
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What are you even talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:00 AM
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If you agree the norm is to split the bill, why do you push for the idea that men need to be upfront about the bill split? Why do you talk of accountability? It's women using plausible deniability who should take accountability. Why are you just being a contrarian? Can't you take a break?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:59 AM
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Just be upfront that you don’t want to pay for dates. Women need to be upfront that they expect to not pay for dates. Not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:55 AM
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Then go tell that to those who are insisting men need to bring up negotiation of who pays for dates before the date. Right now this just look like it's "overthinking" when you disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:54 AM
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Good for you? I don't like the word "overthink", I think I'm normal thinker and you are an underthinker. And you should remain silent while the thinkers speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:25 AM
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Ted mosby: slim, not ugly, high status, good income, nice, modern and egalitarian. But he's supposed to be garbage? Like Alyson Hannigan is supposed to be a supermodel next to him with so much to bring to the table? Dating isn't better for women now, it was always better for women due to the law of offer and demand. They're not putting more into men's looks than before either, they are like that ever since sexual revolution, so you're completely outdated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:02 AM
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I don't think being "emasculated" is more hurtful than other forms of hurt, but being expected to fill a role and not being allowed to at the same time is very frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:49 AM
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Yeah I'm fine with it. I just don't think the moral is backing up the idea that you, as a man, need to bring this up for negotiation beforehand. And I'm not even the kind to follow moral guidelines.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:29 AM
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Their entire thing is very bizarre and that's the point. To me most of their songs are uninteresting but there are twos are really hypnotizing me so it's not just the visual gimmick. They're also praised for being really unconventional in term of music theory, some of it is just "different to be different" and some of it is really musically enticing. And I can't help but imagine a lot of things based on their weird visual design. Clearly not for everyone for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:22 AM
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I don't care about your personal experience. I don't even mind paying when I know the girl is a lot poorer than me. Just that a lot of people are acting like as a man you're supposed to bring this topic up and warn that you won't pay for the date, which is just false. Are you guys potentially overthinking this instead of actually going on dates please be honest Are you trying to do an ad hominem instead of debating the ideology, please be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:18 AM
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what's neurodynamic? Don't you mean neuro-atypic? Blue pillers have been claiming that women do not care about looks and focus on personalities. This isn't some "lost in translation" shit they are EXPLICITLY MEANING THAT.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:15 AM
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Yes that's what women tell each others. Experienced men know that the "do the dishes properly" is just made up by women to be angry about something.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:11 AM
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You don't actually have to negotiate who pays for the date. She has to bring up you paying. Don't let women use plausible deniability against you, it's in your favor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:03 AM
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blue pillers have been consistently claiming the opposite for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:01 AM
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It's "choose better" when they continuously pick abusers. The "choose better" for every insignificant bit is just what women decide to do naturally on things that don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:59 AM
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Traduction: He pretends to have her opinions and values so she doesn't break up over some bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:58 AM
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Because blue pillers are still pushing that narrative around.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:54 AM
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Something can exist before, outside of, or independently from a patriarchal society and still be reinforced by patriarchal gender norms. That's what we're telling you. patriarchy might have been reinforcing something innate to all human societies. But you talk like if that thing is part of patriarchy then it was patriarchy, or something of that order. When you say "you're describing patriarchy" to someone who says "patriarchy didn't teach me this, life did" you're implicitly saying "if you descr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:13 AM
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Men aren't really emotionally invulnerable they're just emotional like men are, which is either misunderstood or frowned upon. Emotional vulnerability the way women, feminists and blue pillers envision actively shutting down behaviors such as sexual/romantic assertiveness. You had women tell you to be more assertive. Okay. That’s still a gendered expectation about how men are supposed to behave. Yeah, feminist women who were against the patriarchy were telling me things you think the patriarchy …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:09 AM
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It's like marriage. A lot of people act like religion-less people shouldn't marry because marriage was invented by religion so it makes no sense. But marriage existed before religion and is just a human construct that humans naturally will converge to no matter what. This is the same with some gender roles, they're just something humans converge to, patriarchy didn't invent it. Patriarchy isn't even about these gender roles. Patriarchy is about the dad owning everything and having the authority …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:03 PM
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I was raised with the idea emotional vulnerability was good by women. Then the same women told me I was a weak lame loser and that I needed to grow a spine and be more assertive. After years of telling me not to be assertive because women needed space. Women aren't taught anything about what they should like in men. They just don't like men who aren't assertive. Women, thanks to sexual revolutions and feminist waves, removed a lot of their gender roles but still enforced men's gender roles that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:59 PM
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I don't think it's fair to tell other people what their problems are. The truth can be spoken by anyone. Women are quick to push their neurosis as truth. If you listened to them you'd think women get murdered left and right if they dare to go out at night. but I think using patriarchy can probably lead towards some middle ground. No, patriarchy is used as a motte and bailey fallacy to perpetually blame things on men while simultaneously pretend men are also victim of it, while also misrepresenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:54 PM
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What they refer to as patriarchy doesn't exist in a vacuum. The world is too big to fit in that box. The world is too big to fit in that box therefore we're not having a patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:31 PM
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I've not said women don't have issues so don't act like I did. In most cases, nuclear family looks towards the father for execution, not leadership. The owning of everything and inheritance is far too gone to be thought of for colloquial use. AKA patriarchy isn't a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:30 PM
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Instead they defect, no longer wanting to remain in it. Yes that is true. Which is funny because it's immediately used as an excuse to why misandry is justified. Instead of understanding these people are important to a society. Without them we'd still live in feodal states. This kills the utopian dream of women, of the perfectly reformed society, holding everyone together. I'd even say this kills the untold utopian dream of women of keeping men in permanent selective stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:17 PM
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It's basically a giant Motte and Bailey argument. Yes I literally wrote that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:08 PM
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It's nitpicking when you focus on a detail that isn't on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:05 PM
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All of what you seem to be talking of isn't patriarchy. Humans are naturally having an innate bias in favor of women. What you talked of in your other comment about brotherhood and camaraderie seem to be men's effort to be more cohesive ingroup, because otherwise nobody's working in favor of men. A nuclear family is not a bad model to follow. Nuclear family isn't suggesting the father is the leader and owner of everything nor that the sons inherit everything in priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:05 PM
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Brotherhood and camaraderie aren't patriarchy. Stewardship no idea what you refer to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:01 PM
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then why do they file for the divorce 90 percent time? Because divorce is also at women's benefice. women get married because they think men will stop being childish which doesnt happen. Women marry men they don't really like and that's supposed to be on men's fault? Or supposed to convince me marriage is good for men and bad for women when women want to do it with men they don't like? also being casual woman has more risks for a woman either way Risk of what? Risk of you realizing you don't val…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:58 PM
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Or do you agree lesser 'powerful' people also tend to be men, such as middle managers and the such Middle management seems like a female domain nowadays. By power I think I'd stick to CEOs and some politicians only. AKA not a lot of people. Influencers and famous people can be considered powerful as well in some ways. Lots of women here. If a simplified version of this position is men can acquire wealth and women can marry into it (but not acquire on their own), then that is absolutely a patriar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:49 PM
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The patriarchy creates men that women are attracted to If that's the logic then clearly patriarchy doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:28 PM
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Now that we're here, I still don't believe in cultural patriarchy in our western societies. Men aren't leaders of their own families and can't decide for their wife. Sons don't get more stuff than the daughters. Men simply are overrepresented in position of power. But also in position of extreme poverty. I'm not even counting men as overrepresented in position of wealth, because they all got wives who are automatically equally rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:27 PM
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Women don't actually get often murdered by random strangers. It's men who get murdered outside. So this is a false dilemma fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:18 PM
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I do understand that language can be vague. But the Patriarchy as coined by feminists that is oppressive to women does require actual legislation. Patriarchy as a natural order appearing in social groups is a different thing. Yet very often on this subreddit these two meaning can be used interchangeably to perform various type of motte and bailey fallacies. Like "Oh you don't like to approach girls yet you feel expected to do it? Blame the patriarchy", by saying that they say that it's literally…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:14 PM
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The patriarchy isn't real nowadays. Because patriarchy is a state of the law, not a state of most people's mind. What's real is innate human bias that people call "patriarchy" "internalized misogyny" or "toxic masculinity". It's promoted in matriarchies as well, or in societies without patriarchies. Roughly promoted by each side equally yes. But much more deep than you'd think. Men do not get to have a societal movement for improving their condition, as human's innate bias is to always believe m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:03 PM
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Did you know in our society we have men who are SAHP's too. My brother is one. Another case of feminine urge to reply to a statistical generalization with an anecdotal counter example. Because if they want kids, their time line is tighter than a man. And they would be fools (and there are far too many) to have a kid outside of wedlock. And I hope it's no surprise to you that kids are a form of commitment that women also push for more than men. My country has a tendency for couples to have kids T…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:17 PM
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Why on earth are you 1) accusing me of something you can't prove and that I can't disprove. 2) going after my person over your assumptions ON A DEBATE SUBREDDIT. Be civil?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:12 PM
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Oh we got a nitpicker over here. Your gender and race don't matter, you nitpicked something in the name of a concept and decided to go full ad hominem on it. Quite the admission of you being wrong and not being able to admit it with dignity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:10 PM
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Since men find value in sex for its own sake and view marriage like a straight negative, women are always going to be pushing for commitment and marriage more. Because women benefit from it and women have innate incentives to prefer it. That is the literal point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:22 PM
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You did see the newest polls which show that women are far more interested in getting a good career and education than a marriage and kids, right? You did see the phenomenon in which countries considered the most equals feature women who prefer to not work and be SAHM? Because what you talk about could be just economic recession influencing them. Nevertheless, women might say they're more interested in getting a good career and an education. But when they're in couple with a guy it's them who pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:20 PM
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it’s so ingrained in society that it is essentially impossible to escape. Yeah, that's not the patriarchy, that's an innate human bias we called "women are wonderful effect" or "missing white woman syndrom". Basically empathy flows from men to women and not the opposite. Matriarchies have that same issue, because it's not the system, it's the human design. You're the one who will never understand, because everything you view in life is through the lens of victimhood and antagonization of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:18 PM
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Do you have studies that tease that out? Don't try to pull a "burden of proof" on a concept that is constantly brought up on PPD and that never passed the "burden of proof". Because there aren't studies that show marriage is making men live longer, only studies that show married men live longer. They show a correlation, not a causation. And you want him to prove the lack of causation, you need to first prove the causation. Because many scholars point out that women will often ensure their husban…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:15 PM
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Could be happy and healthy men tend to be more attractive partners for marriage. That's literally my point yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:09 PM
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Then we fall back over my first premise: You likely started treating women like they treat you, like every human being treats each others, except for the idealist losers. And you somehow decided to frame it in obviously negative ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:00 AM
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Why do you think there were and are so many reality shows about weddings, about picking dresses and all that stuff? Because women love these. Reality shows aren't social conditioning, social conditioning is when parents and schools are pushing for a narrative, and the narrative being pushed by parents and schools for the past 40 years is that women can do and wear anything they want. And when women can do anything they want and aren't pressured by money, like in european or nordic countries, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:54 AM
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We've had sexual revolution and decades of feminism and women are still after commitment more than sex. This narrative that this is social conditioning isn't holding.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:36 AM
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This is like asking why men complain women don’t want to get married and have kids these days but also complain about being pressured into marriage. This doesn't sound equivalent to OP The answer to OP is that marriage doesn't benefit men more, it's women who marry men who are more well off, or well off people who marry more. So when stupid people look at it they see a disproportionate amount of married men being well off compared to unmarried men, they commit a correlation not causation fallacy…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:31 AM
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I am better than you, you are beneath me, you should bend over backwards to appease me and earn my approval, and that you are replaceable. Maybe that's just your perspective and reality is you started implementing behaviors of equal force rapports, you likely stopped acting like you were beneath them and it helped. Or maybe the thing that changed is you actually started to talk to women and to show your interest for them. It’s not that I was a sucker or a doormat You likely were, you were riddle…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:22 AM
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Well as the saying goes, if you're considered guilty by default, might as well do it for real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:18 AM
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From an islamic perspective you're not supposed to talk to men. Why do you even post on PPD and try to talk to men? It's haram. Go and exercise your free will elsewhere far from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:15 AM
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If girls are not present, men won't be present either. That's exactly what I'm telling you, that's exactly how it works everywhere. if a demographic is known for being violent then they are obviously going to be judged more harshly. Men are not judged more harshly because more violent, they're judged more harshly because men are not wanted and not rare. if y'all hate women staying safe with you so much ?? what are you talking about I have seen multiple videos of men having friends for over 10 ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:09 PM
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It makes perfect sense. What is it you're not getting?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:38 PM
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I thought this post was about going out with friends, not getting into night clubs. I thought it was pretty clear the nightclub is just for you to understand the dynamic so that I can tell you it works like this for social dynamics you can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:18 PM
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It just takes more effort for men. Not agreeing with OP but disagreeing with your comment. Women are free to enter night clubs and men are harshly selected to avoid having too many men and avoid having bad men who repel the women. Works like that for social circles too. Even workplaces eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:46 PM
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Strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:38 PM
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If you're going to make me say things I didn't say you will entertain yourself on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:52 PM
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Your consumption of medias explains a lot about your disconnection from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:42 PM
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You showed us a reality show where people are expected to overact Lilith. Nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:13 AM
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Can you at least pretend to address my points?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:12 AM
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people have the awful tendency to redefine "respect" as "giving them everything and expecting nothing back", or "never entering someone's personal space", with ideas on personal space that vary greatly. Agreeable can mean two things: Simply being agreeable to be around, or being passive, reserved, overly polite and distant... Red pill has no problem with you being smily, polite, but you need to be more than friendly, to get in their personal space and to escalate. Plenty of men have tried being …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:42 PM
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Are most women okay with their husband getting money outside of their relationship? Maybe you should draw the parallels that make sense and not the strict nonsensical parallels. You don't translate a sentence to another language by translating every word one by one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:54 PM
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Rape culture for me Nice of you to be reasonable, I've seen people stretch very wildly what rape culture consists of. Like watching porn or sextoys for men are frequently named as propagating rape culture and objectification of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:17 PM
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You can say anything with the right body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:11 PM
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Even today many "normal" women don't want their husband to fuck other women because it give them some form of power over their husband. It's actually the only real "leverage" they have in a relationship. They don't have confidence in their ability to keep a man interested without providing sex for him and consequently having power over him in that sense. You get the idea, yawn. When richer women are marrying poorer men as frequently as the opposite, we can start talking about traditional men's i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:54 PM
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I thought this post was about women not doing what it takes to make themselves orgasm. Like there are women on PPD who think it's a scam if they have to stimulate their clitoris during PIV...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:52 PM
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That's interesting you got quite a red pill belief right here for a blue pill man. But I disagree a little. Yes women were more dependent on men for status. But where I disagree is that makeup is a vestige of that, no, makeup is how they boost their modern status, that is why modern makeup is more technical and more masculinizing, or rendering them seemingly more dominant, because it is to impress women, or to impress men in professional contextes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:30 PM
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as people don't always fit the stereotype. People do actually fit stereotypes, the stereotypes are just not whatever blue pill tells you. For instance, blue pill tells you short women like short men. But it's actually the opposite, short women hate short men the most. Women of average or high height, and especially attractive women, are unironically more likely to accept a short man. Shortness is still treated like a defect to compensate somewhere else, but women's insecurity about something aff…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:24 PM
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Why would the many strands of feminism matter? Most of the men who support feminism are blue pilled libfems there aren't many strands that matter and it's always all the same reminiscent stuff, even if it's outdated feminism for most of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:55 AM
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Seriously you are the kind of blue pillers Atlas denies exist. If two (or more) people find each other hot and want to get laid and hang out all the time, it's... religious? You know this is more complicated than this. People don't have the same incentives. Umm... what? Have you, uh, had a job in your life? The point of chess is to defeat your opponent at chess. You arent trying to be on your opponent's level: you're trying to be above it so that you get what you want and they dont. The point I …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:49 AM
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Relationships are adversarial. Sexued reproduction is adversarial. Cooperation occurs when there's a healthy force rapport. Or when you're with someone whose goals totally align. Which isn't possible unless you are totally brainwashed by religion. Eitherway, the point of chess isn't the adversariality, but the amount of effort expected to be playing on the same ground. Grand of you for ignoring my entire comment just to nitpick.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:54 AM
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I'm generally advocating for the only effort that matters being: trying and being assertive. But "skill issue" is dumb. One allegory I enjoy is this one: If you try to predict if a dice will fall on 6 or not, you'll do more poorly than if you always predict that the dice will never fall on 6. It works the same with social skills, trying to make it work will be worse than just being yourself all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:22 AM
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"skill issue" in dating is like if you were to play chess with only pawns against a woman who has only queens and you're told that it's your fault for not winning. Women don't need good makeup or fashion to get boyfriends, don't need social skills, and don't need to fix their mental issues. They're never told it's a skill issue whatsoever when the same woman is being pumped and dumped for the 10th time, they're told men suck. So yes, "skill issue" is inflammatory because it amounts to say that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:10 AM
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The issue with targeting is that the specific women to who you're the type are very likely a minority and they're maybe not to your taste. My life improved tremendously when I stopped going for women I thought were of my league or were more likely to accept my height, and started going for any woman instead without preconceived idea of how likely I might appeal to them. I don't agree much with OP though, what OP describes is how it historically went for women. It's how they ended up with makeup …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:00 AM
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Well I see it all the time. I think I've even seen you do it on discord. People will also always find something wrong if you let them see in detail. But when I look at how most couples form I can see the same details that others would nitpick as bad, creepy, or incel-tier.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:54 PM
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No one claims that dating outcomes are a perfect meritocracy. Perfect meritocracy? No. But blue pillers clearly claim it is essentially a meritocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:52 PM
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It's entirely possible that a trend propagates while not being effective, or not for the reasons you think. A particularly popular and attractive woman may do something that is successful in spite of the bad formula, and the formula may be copied over and over and over regardless just because someone was successful with it. Or parts of the formula works, but not the main premise... I personally care about few things in porn, and the "scenario" is not part of it. "step" videos just tend to featur…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:49 PM
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The simple fact BLM exists while white men are more likely to get gunned down by police force is a hint to you that white men are beneath black women in term of empathy. The fact the leaders have all mostly been white men isn't helping any of that. Yes they've statutory raped young girls, how many men have they killed and we never heard of it though? We only hear about the raped young girls because the empathy flows towards women and kids, not men. It's even worse than that, orange man be throwi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:42 AM
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Note that people wishing that that teacher did that to them are wishing for the teacher to do something consensual to them. They're not actually pushing for sexual assaults.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:31 AM
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you're supposed to be a PPD celebrity.?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:27 AM
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Some men can be happy with that. For me nothing's better than the good old creampie in the pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:20 PM
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My original comment was solely a sidetrack comment, but anal can be a lot easier than people think. I'm not pushing for it, I don't like it much myself. I've fucked my wife in the ass using only a few spits, all unplanned. And I'm not "thin". But everybody is different, some people can take anal a lot more easily and some don't. Some people love it and some don't. Men have wider anus as well btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:17 PM
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Good for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:28 PM
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Don't worry I'm puzzled about them too. IRL it's pretty noticeable, it's always the same chick who gets P&D, it's always the same dude who gets taken advantage on for money. People in general are 1) terrible profilers 2) worth what happens to them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:10 PM
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You'd be surprised how much you can train an anus. The more you have anal the easier it gets. Ask gay people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:05 PM
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Generally, rich philanthropists are donating for everyone, for kids, or for women, and rarely for men only. And even after that we usually find out their donations are kinda fake or just tax evasion. Misandry is innate. Men and women are both more concerned about women's well being than men's. I'm not sure why you think all of this is a gotcha at MRA.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:15 PM
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Someone who is unloving and boring only with you is worse than someone unloving and boring with everyone, regardless of if you stay with them or not. I bet these "retards" mean just that but can't word that correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:09 PM
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Why can't they shame women on something they're not guilty of? It's one of the rare thing they're not hypocrites about xD It's not even equivalent. Manipulation doesn't stop being manipulation because the gender changed. Men and women have different imperatives though so some things are less valuable than others. Double standards of attraction aren't comparable to double standards of logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:04 PM
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But most of the time it's dread game, the man is the prize mentality, negging, and power dynamics. That's every couple, relationship and partnership. Power dynamics is how everything works. Other people call it bargaining skills... Sometimes the power is faked and that's what's considered manipulative. Women are so routinely doing all of that more or less consciously that I fail to see how men learning to defend their ground is anywhere manipulative. It's not really lying if you are doing things…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:02 PM
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Red pillers don't care about a woman's sexual history. Their plan is just to raise their N count, not marry someone. I don't think MRP cares about N count either. Black pillers, who seek relationships and are low N count, do typically care. But even then, the presence of a double standard is arguable considering they're low N and consider themselves valuable for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:54 PM
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These words aren't for you but for those who can understand basic debating on a debating sub. You're a lost cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:52 PM
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That's black pillers. Another example you need a quick debunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:28 PM
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Strawman and hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:28 PM
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See... Victim blaming, goal shifting. Like clockwork. Would never see this guy say "skill issue" to a woman who got P&D or love bombed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:05 PM
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"but makeup isn't lying btw it's art"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:31 PM
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Give me examples
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:31 PM
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I'm treated like a flat earther tier mad person for saying we don't live in a patriarcat..... Everything seems to be designed to give women more options and men more constraints, all for women to pick richer men then complain we live in a patriarchy because husbands are richer than their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:55 AM
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"no spark but I was still attracted" is just another version of "you're not my type but I'm sure plenty of other women would find you attractive" which we all know means "I'm not attracted"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:25 AM
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She lied/hid something about herself: If he's not happy he can leave, he should have known better. He lied/hid something about himself: That's manipulation/gaslight/coercion!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:23 AM
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It literally does. In this context adding a whole ass second word changes/adds to the original meaning of the first word. Do you not understand how language works? That includes the word literally. Because it LITERALLY doesn't. This is a classic case of feminist semantic bleaching. Might be weird to you, but not everyone is part of the feminist cult and their crazy habit of fading word's meaning and introducing new ones to mean the same thing. Defining the term "sexual coersion" doesn't cause re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:19 AM
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Diplomacy and clientelism is lying, omitting, hiding, negging, or "love bombing", only with more tact. All of which are called manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:50 AM
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It’s not hidden you know she is wearing eyeliner it’s obvious What's behind is hidden, knowing it is hidden doesn't change the fact it remains hidden. Why is logic so hard for you people? So in your mind the person wearing dark eyeliner is trying to “trick” people into thinking it’s natural? 🤔 Strawman. The point is we can't tell what's beneath it. An outfit can only do so much. Niether clothing or makeup can really hide how someone looks in person. Yes it can??? I think you might just be someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:47 AM
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Do beards go away when he undresses and washes his face?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:58 AM
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PUA: "I have a good job and good money" (lie) Women's side: "I don't have a man jaw" (lie) all it takes to do this is to have a hairdo that hides the sides of your face, which celebrities commonly do to hide their manjaw. Why is one manipulation and not the other? You say that in the case of the woman's side he finds out she's uglier than she is, he can leave her and move along. But why is the PUA not the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:49 AM
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Just because you stick "sexual" in front of it doesn't change its meaning. Manipulation is also a word commonly washed down. that sexual coersion is a different beast with a lower threshold than threats of violence or blackmail. Crazy how every term brought up by feminism loses its definition to something much more broad, almost as if feminism was a motte and bailey fallacy machine. You guys don't think there's a huge difference in gravity between "We must have sex with me because you're not tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:33 AM
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So now you are denying that all the ways to fake good bone structures are faking bone structure? Do I get this right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:09 PM
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Tu quoque fallacy. Men's ways being called manipulative isn't something new.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:46 PM
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That doesn't sound logically to be part of PUA. I agree most of PUA isn't manipulative and rather trying to grow some charisma and to please your auditor. But since people insist on calling diplomacy and clientelism "manipulation" we want them to apply their same standards on women's trickeries.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:44 PM
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Not sure why you answer so down the thread. Manipulation implies some level of deceit. Heavy black liner is obviously makeup and I don’t think a reasonable man would think a woman naturally had dark liner around her eyes. Hiding is deceit. Not being fooled doesn't mean deceit wasn't attempted. So this is like someone wearing a nice outfit and you considering it manipulation because they look good in it. It depends how much of the "good looks" effect is faking or hiding trait instead of emphasizi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:42 PM
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That's curious I went on google and it does align. the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. compelling a party to act in an involuntary manner through the use of threats, including threats to use force against that party It involves a set of forceful actions which violate the free will of an individual in order to induce a desired response. the use of force to persuade someone to do something that they are unwilling to do They all seem to be explicit that for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:33 PM
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So do you admit you can fake good bone structure or are you hiding your head in the sand?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:28 PM
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Are you gonna date a woman who doesn't use soap, deodorant, or toothpaste? Toothpastes and Deodorants can have no additive smell. I only put bicarbonate powder on my armpit to avoid my PH go acidic and avoid bad bacteries to proliferate. So I essentially smell like nothing, which would be the case if I had a better non modern diet. I know americans hate body odors even a little bit, so much that they often fuck up and make themselves even more dependent, by typically causing bacterial imbalances…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:49 AM
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That's why it's ridiculous to pick and choose which personal grooming habits are "manipulation" and which ones aren't. it's not ridiculous when you are capable to run coherent comparisons. Which you aren't. Beards and hair will naturally occur with inaction. Acting like they're deceiving by essence because actions can remove them is ridiculous. Makeup can't happen with inaction. Eyeliner That's to draw precise lines. I tried searching and it'd be called eyeshadow or eye powder, and sometimes als…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:29 AM
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That's just what your breath smells like No it's not. Morning breath is temporary even without brushing. Otherwise that means there is an infection. Humans don't like the smell so we came up with ways to fix it. I don't think highly of humans who can't accept that people have natural smells. Make up has been around a lot longer than toothbrushes if we're gonna argue which one is the natural state. Good diets have been around longer than makeup or toothbrushes. You kinda forgot that this whole ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:25 AM
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You're insinuating that I have the burden of proving that bras that change the apparent size and shape of boobs are deceptive? LOL. no, it's you, you must have a compelling argument that this is not deceptive or you're losing that argument. All clothes impact how bodies look. Most clothes are essentially hiding the body. Some are creating features that don't exist, those are deceptive by definition. This is like saying a man who wears a uniform is deceptive because he only wears it for work. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:21 AM
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Beards can hide the skeletal structure of your face and they are absolutely not permanent. Guys can shave their beard at any time. Women can shave their head anytime and show us all how uglier her skull is without hair. But long hair on women and dense beards on men are not only also part of someone's quality, they're also here if you don't touch anything. Makeup or shaving both require actions to be. Being shaved is as abnormal as wearing makeup. Mascara?? No not the eyelashes, the whole area e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:16 AM
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She goes to bed with a guy who has minty fresh breath and wakes up next to a dude with dragon breath? This is just disingenuous. Bad breath is the abnormal state. That's why I asked what specifically OP was talking about. You don't need to ask what OP is talking about, his definition is either going to include both or discard both. Most people's definitions do that, then they have a double standard to justify why makeup isn't deceptive/influence/hiding.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:12 AM
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What's not negative about deception?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:10 AM
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Do beards go away when he undresses and washes his face?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:09 AM
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It's not coercion unless there's an active threat or blackmail. And not blackmail like "if we don't have sex then I'm sad :(" rather "if we don't have sex I fire you". I've grown to consider women wearing deceptive clothes and makeup to be deceptive IRL before instagram even existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:07 AM
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You can hide a strong jaw and big forehead behind hair. You can make your boring eyes popup with a ton of black powder. You can make your lips seem bigger by redrawing the edges and making them glossy. You can make your cheek seem hollower with dark colors. And even if you don't fake features you can just hide them. As a man you can train yourself to know all this and to be prepared, but lizzard brain doesn't exactly cooperate rationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:05 AM
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Makeup certainly hides features and isn't as permanent as a beard. You must be young, no? Millenial women loved to put a lot of black powder around their eyes. I've seen several wear that kind of makeup for years, and the day they stopped, people barely recognized them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:03 AM
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You can't realistically categorize hygiene with the rest. Other than that, you can define manipulation the way you want, but usually definitions either include both makeup and PUA or don't include any, as both work on the same abstract mechanic: Influencing hiding and lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:59 AM
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People are hung up on not viewing themselves or normalized behaviors as anything negative woman comes and proves exactly that Like clockwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:57 AM
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The line between manipulation and communication is very thin but if using clothes , style and makeup to influence the way you're viewed isn't manipulation then PUA is also not manipulation since it's essentially styling and makeuping your behavior and words to influence someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:57 AM
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What's certain is my love isn't what others decide it is. Have been told too many time that I can't "love" by solipsistic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:55 AM
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You guys can sit here and pretend disagreeable people are liked all you want, but facts don’t care about your feelings. You guys can sit here and pretend people who don't bullshit are disagreeable all you want, but facts don't care about your feelings. The world isn't just your little human resource office. Which results in them being laughed at, so great job! Are the people laughing in the room with us right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:43 PM
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Refusing to work on female social skills as a male is absolutely sensical. It's the typical blue pill/female progression: 1) Be egocentric 2) Believe social skills means female social skills, because male ones are considered evil according to foolish logic 3) Declare men lazy for not complying to faulty world view TRP is about male social skills. Are you in favor of men following TRP Lilith? Have women tried to stop lying? Have women tried learning what men find to be creepy? Have women attempte…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:26 PM
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Point 2: Hypergamy Does Not Match Our Actual Genes When We Examine Them What you're talking could be explained by women's hypergamy being always there but kept in check by the fact they lived in communities without competition for resources. Once agriculture developed, people started living in big groups enough that there were huge inequalities and less bonds as most people didn't know each others. Your argument is just as speculative as ours.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:44 PM
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You don't believe in personal freedom, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:02 PM
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People are free, they can stare at you, you can think they're creeps, that's your freedom. You don't like freedom? You want to impose your morals and your views? People should behave the way you decided they should, and view you the way you decided you were to be viewed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:54 PM
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Men here are tired of being villainized and enguilted for the behavior of their former bullies. That's why the sympathy is gone. My mom was ejaculated at in public transportations once. My uncle was stripped naked and beaten by groups of thugs on the regular. It's my mom who told me both these stories, and for some reason she thought being ejaculated at was worse, because my uncle "should have defended himself", victim blaming him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:28 PM
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As a general rule, trans women should accept that they'll be stared at a lot. Don't like people having freedoms?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:21 PM
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The male loneliness epidemic isn't self inflicted. Women and men prefer some age gap in their relationship, even with an average age gap of 1 year it's sufficient to put young men in competition with older men, but young women aren't competing against younger women. There are more men than women up until 50 year old, and the population in most country is stagnating or shrinking. For young men there's simply never enough women their age of younger and there are too much men their age or older. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:17 PM
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Logically you're the prude one for not appreciating sexual attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:13 PM
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Well too bad for you, your title helped me illustrate my point. :) I'm talking of a real pattern I've really seen all my life, regardless of if you're it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:39 PM
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Not even the women I dated and who genuinely liked me knew what changes it took me to be appealing to them. Their advices are terrible at getting them as well. Women are fairly capable to tell you what it takes to keep them around and avoid burning them out. But they consistently fail to tell you what starts the spark and maintains the fire. They said what got them was that I was gentle and attentionate. I was always like this even when I didn't get them. The changes I went through to get them w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:46 PM
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My experience of women with princess syndrome is they want to be spoiled by a tall handsome slim man. With blue or green eyes preferably. They're status oriented, materialists and vain. Very likely to be low libido and high disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:17 PM
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Your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:13 PM
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If you think that is meaningful then you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:12 PM
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Nah I've seen them reject men. Women who are finding asking for consent sexy, or the women who think verbalizing important, tend to be on the rather stuck up inorganic kind of women. Women who are more in tune with body language and organic socializing tend to be higher libido and more open minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:10 PM
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but especially if you haven't had sex before, words will be easier and less awkward. A lot of people will think words will be awkward especially if you haven't had sex before. I don't think women with any opinion on this issue will particularly object to a quick "wanna fuck?" Yes, many will object to a quick "wanna fuck?". Some because of the phrasing, some because of the tone, and some because it's useless verbalizing. You can be curious about what he actually said. But considering the amount o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:07 PM
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I read the first and last sentence and this seems like you're answering to the wrong person. Not reading all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:02 PM
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Why do you answer to me if you don't know what I'm talking about then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:00 PM
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That's all you have to say? I don't know what advices you give. I know most of advices given by women here are garbage. Maybe less extreme but still very blue pilled advices that benefit more unknown women than the actual man asking for advice. I told in my comment this is very extreme blue pill, it is maybe unique to my generation and birth place. However later when I found out about TRP I wasn't surprise, turns out a lot of people accross a lot of different western countries have been misinfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 11:57 AM
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How often do you guys have sex a week? How long have you been together? Do you think your man is really high libido if he's not into promiscuous behaviors? I don't think so. I don't rly want to make comments about you in particular. But a lot of time when women with low sexuality or high disgust claim their husband is satisfied, their husband is just not a high libido guy either biologically or because their priorities are elsewhere. That's why I don't take the "but they have someone" and "but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:30 AM
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I was told to not approach women, to be their friend first, to wait for them to do the first moves, to not bring up romance or sex, and that I'd need to reject any woman younger than me, to ask verbal consent for everything. ect... This is extreme blue pill and it wasn't uncommon at the time and place I lived in. Society was very against gender roles at the time. They insisted women were not only as willing as men but also better than men, that if we let them some space they'd meet us at the mid…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:26 AM
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Be more specific
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:59 AM
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Women do not have advices that worked for them at getting with women as a cishet male. Nothing they say is relevant to this. Women are doing like these CEOs on linkedin talking on how a good employee is supposed to be like. And it is absolutely malicious because they pretend to give advices for others to succeed but they're actually just giving advices on how others can content them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:56 AM
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A lot of women here are giving advices that'd furthermore make them unsuccessful. I myself was unsuccessful because I started my dating life following women's advices. It went better when I started doing the things this sub's women routinely tells men not to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:28 AM
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a high libido doesn’t mean promiscuous behavior. That sounds like someone without a complete high libido, just the biological factor maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:25 AM
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Sorry I really couldn't care more about me being wrong in romania or india. I don't think RP and therefore PPD debates can really matter in a place that hasn't been soaked by postmodern feminism. And a lot of america already doesn't fit that description. The entirety of western europe does.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:23 AM
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Men should continue to behave the way it works and if it doesn't please you then maybe you're both correctly screening that you're not made for each others.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:11 AM
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That says nothing about the sexuality these men experience in these relationships. A lot of these men are also quite low libido so they might be just happy with it. But instead of trying to push rules on men suggesting that all men should be like this because all women are like them. Maybe they should consider the way we behave is purposely pushing away these women that would anyway not be compatible with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:10 AM
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I've not seen you personally do it yet. But I regard women generally as champion of insecurity projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:08 AM
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Women on this sub yap a lot about how men should behave to get them. But forget that all the rules they make up about men's behavior just show they're low sexuality low value women that men don't want. Women have the upper hand in the dating and sexual market, so they behave like they're already wanted and men have to seduce them. But in the end if what it takes to win you over doesn't involve sex, it's as good as not winning you over. Women have to admit that if men are not like they want, that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:47 AM
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If women don't make exceptions for men they find attractive, then they find no man sexually attractive, and are unfun unsexual low value women. It's crazy how it works like clockwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:43 AM
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I'm short and no, short guys are expected to do the same assertive flirty stuff, it will just work a lot less. But if they don't do it, it'll never work. Your "princess" flair matches your point of view, you want men to court in polite indirect ways. But that type of courting only works with a minority of women and with a different style of masculinity. A type of masculinity that's ruling out short and thick men. So, quite the contrary, short men should learn to be good with body language, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:40 AM
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From my experience, women like you are more rare than women disgusted by consent askers. So best men not to hear your advices on how to conduct themselves with women. Even though asking sexual stuff to a coworker you don't know is obviously rarely going to yield good results, but the problem is wanting to ask it to someone that is obviously not going to be positive, not asking for consent first.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:39 AM
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are going to be easier to manipulate Or simply easier to socialize with and funnier all around. Quite a misogynistic perspective to act like sexual women are manipulated victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:31 AM
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On topic, half of women do not like being asked for consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:30 AM
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This is a cut-and-dry example of a woman being the problem According to feminists* But according to men, these are the more down to earth enjoyable and fun women, who wouldn't punish you for trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:29 AM
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Women: men need to ask Other women: Men need not to ask Third type of women: Men need to ask in a socially graceful way Consent is important. You don't need to use words. Body language exists. But we noted that everytime a woman is unhappy, you automatically believe it's because a man screwed up, instead of taking the argument in which some women don't like verbalising these things. Maybe one day you'll admit not everyone is like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:27 AM
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And men like unfun non sexual women to out themselves early by acting prude, oversensitive or high disgust. Everything working as intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:25 AM
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A woman says that?!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:22 AM
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That's how men are 24/7 about average women's bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:22 AM
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Yeah it's amazing how everytime the people who get punished the most for the crimes of the few are the common people. Much like how countries and cities justify putting cameras everywhere to help against road crimes, but the thug on his stolen vehicle doesn't care and continues to do wheelies and crossing red lights, while you get fucked for minor infringements.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:20 AM
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Women: Average men are struggling maybe because they're not good enough. Also women: Average men are great Also women: Women are more attractive anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:17 AM
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I'm not interested in your nitpicky conversations especially if it's going to be about the 2nd and 3rd world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:15 AM
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Yeah I don't think any of these places you quoted are worth considering on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:15 PM
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I think sending the message instead of just immediately unmatching is a waste of time though. No harm in testing the water, women will make exceptions for you if they're really interested. Women talk in absolutes then always do exceptions. Yeah I can't imagine someone who goes on a dating app to "find friends" has any sort of intetionality It's a stupid vetting system that gives them the attention they need. It's literal friendzone, seeking a good doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:12 PM
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It's not dumb, he just read her profile AFTER they matched. Because a lot of people don't read profiles. I've matched with a girl who was like this, it's just a good way to just talk for weeks with a girl who has no intention to meet you. A waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:03 AM
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No it hasn't. Humans didn't exist at the beginning of time. hehehe
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:34 PM
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Woa I'm not reading all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:25 PM
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We're seeing a lot of female on male physical and sexual assaults already we just decided not to care, because women are "socially stronger", which is why they do a lot of things with the confidence of someone who will never be stopped or punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:23 PM
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Woa you didn't need to read those 50 lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:18 PM
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I want a woman with high sexual value, that means low disgust, sexually positive and available to me whenever. Not "conservative women". That they want to see what we're able to provide to them is AWALT. In the west men are less capable to do so due to how feminism influenced society to give more opportunities to women. Best to focus on a woman who doesn't seek material providership but seek raw masculinity in a man, and it's not "conservative women". In fact I don't see how anything you wrote i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:14 PM
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Only for extreme politics, which applies to the entirety of america but a lot less so anywhere else. In europe you would be regarded as immature if you can't accept some political disagreement with a partner or family member.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:06 PM
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Woa this didn't need 50 lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:05 PM
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Yeah easily disprovable, I read the other answers, they're not agreeing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:09 PM
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Tell that to the person who claimed that, AKA nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:08 PM
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you didn't read
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:23 PM
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Don't ask a fish what's appropriate bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:54 PM
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Yeah creampie isn't a kink, it's just the way everyone should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:54 PM
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Just listen the fish on how to fish them bro. I laugh imagining you're telling an autist that all he has to do is learn to be funny. When he specifically is missing a part of his brain that enables that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:52 PM
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Why would equality of treatment have to center on men Because that's exactly what feminists/women claim they want, that men treat women like they treat men. Equality of treatment from men have to center on men because this is what it looks like when men stop treating someone like they're fragile, incompetent, hypoagentic, or hot. And women and feminists clearly communicated that they didn't like to be treated like any of those. I don't see women treating men like they treat women, nor treating w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:45 PM
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For some reason the women at my workplace weren't too thrilled when the boss pressured them the same way he pressures men, and they quickly brought up sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:38 PM
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Yes that's how men socializing with other men looks like in the eye of a woman. Which is proof of lack of social intelligence and openness from the said women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:36 PM
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In a woman's eyes, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:36 PM
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We all experienced women doing this. Why haven't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:36 PM
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Using an example to illustrate the topic isn't a generalization fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:35 PM
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I don't see why it's a bad thing they lie and get society to change on false premises Ok...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:34 PM
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No but depends how noisy the env is. A doctor waiting room: keep that shit silent
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:32 PM
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Just close your cervix how hard can it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:06 PM
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typical lift4lurk bait
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:02 PM
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I just like to creampie.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:01 PM
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