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DiscussionSmokeySunDrop/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:21 PM
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His claim is absurd. Most women do not claim to be abuse survivors. Even the much easier claim of 'most women blame their exes of having done something abusive' Is silly since most everyone can point out something offensive, inappropriate, or taking advantage that their ex said or did when they were together, regardless of gender
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:49 AM
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Op is making the argument that women value abusiveness in their partners, not that they are lying about having experienced abuse I don't think op is remotely correct in that original assertion though. I think most people have negative beliefs about their exes treatment, which is a no-brainer
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:21 AM
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Maybe? That's a pretty crazy assertion to make. But I do think that women are generally slightly more socially and emotionally adept which you might be able to turn into an argument. What's your point though? The op is about men abusing women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:18 AM
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It is absolutely controversial and I take personal offense to it. If anyone in your life is telling you that all men are abusers tell them to go f themselves, And go tell a man in your life who deserves it that you appreciate him
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 11:28 PM
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This says a lot more about men on average than it does about women on average. It's not hard for an abuser to hide their abusiveness until a relationship is established. You're just claiming that most men are abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 11:14 PM
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Ai made sense of it. Can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:57 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:53 PM
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Sounds like you need to accept your role as the powerless gender in the dating market. Adapt to making a life for yourself in which women form the male hierarchy to our liking. If you work with the current instead of against it you'll make so much more progress
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:37 PM
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I'm not asking about op's logic. I'm asking about your logic
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:08 PM
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A hypocrite and a troll too. Lovely
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:07 PM
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Trying to control =\= respecting
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:48 PM
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So if a guy got pegged by his ex, didn't like it and doesn't want to do it again, he should have to bend over and take it from his current gf anyway, to show his love?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:40 PM
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You complained three comments ago about 'society' shaming men for using sex toys. What a silly hypocrite
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:22 PM
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This post is an absolute mockery of logic. A failure of observation of cause and effect. God have mercy on your soul
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:27 AM
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It is though. You insist that without the possibility of getting your dick wet, don't bother. Id tell your male friends to watch their backs too if I knew them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:14 PM
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This got me good 😂 you're hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:08 PM
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Yes, saying that men should not have friendships unless he can fuck them sounds very dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:01 PM
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His point is that he doesn't value women as human beings, hope this helps
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 03:20 PM
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I guess that depends on what you mean by discouraged? I think there needs to be better education on consent as a whole so that would cover that yes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:16 AM
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Did you mean to say discouraged? And I don't find casual sex to be immoral just casual sex without enthusiastic consent
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 12:10 AM
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What a lucky partner you're sure to have 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 10:16 PM
2

You don't throw birthday parties for anyone? Do you do anything selflessly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 10:11 PM
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Those are some good friends! I'm glad they were looking out for you, and in a way her too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 10:09 PM
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It's not coercion to decide to give your spouse a sexual favor because you know it will make them happy, even though you're not currently turned on. Compare it to throwing your spouse a party even when you're tired and busy and don't want company but it is their birthday and it is expected. Failing to throw that party would cause serious negative backlash but it's still not coercion. Not giving the sexual favor will have maybe a minor consequence of your partner being in a frustrated mood but in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 10:00 PM
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No, I would not chastise them, it's none of my business and there's a chance no harm was done to anyone, the immorality lies in the fact that you don't know what outcome your actions will have on another person, so you're prioritizing your pleasure over them. And yes , all things being equal they're each making the same selfish decision
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:34 PM
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Yes, I didn't gender my statement in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:32 PM
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I'm not talking about rape. I'm talking about morality
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:19 PM
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No, morally you shouldn't be fucking sloppy drunk strangers. The legality is questionable, the safety and health factors are even more so. Morally, you don't know what you're actually doing to them emotionally and mentally in the long run. If you can't get sober enthusiastic consent then you're risking harming yourself and them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 08:40 PM
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If you are hooking up with a near stranger, enthusiastic consent is absolutely necessary. Because you don't know what's going on with them for anything less than that level of engagement. It is moraly wrong to allow yourself to be the way someone is choosing to self harm. Duty sex is understandable in a marriage but if it's the norm then you have serious issues to address which may be to the level of immorality depending on specifics
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:24 PM
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It not reddit that needs to know, it's any woman that is unlucky enough to be around him
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 04:58 PM
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All I can say is I hope he has the day he deserves
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 04:37 PM
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And can't restrain himself from bragging about it online either. Walking time bomb
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 04:33 PM
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Woosh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 04:30 PM
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Still not writing in complete sentences buddy. Please work on that for future posts
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 04:30 PM
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Exactly, that's redpill theory, but OP claims to be blue
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 04:28 PM
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There's nothing homophobic about it, if you think men are the perfect partner then go get yourself a male partner, save the female species from having to put up with your " superiority" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:34 PM
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1) Steal from your family 2) Why a single guy and not "someone willing to let you crash"? 3) documentation should be done anyways. Advice and consultations are completely unnecessary and sabotage unless there are already blood red flags Are you a catfish?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:43 PM
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Unlikely seeing as he said it would still be unacceptable even with consent
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:36 PM
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Good to know you're pathetic by choice I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:33 PM
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Pretty sure he's outing himself as pfile
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:26 PM
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Do you enjoy being vile or is it a skill issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:25 PM
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No wonder you grossed them out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:00 PM
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Why are you speaking out your fantasy? Why do you want feminist opinions on what you jerk off to in your own head? Why are you complaining if you agree it's misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:49 PM
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The majority of WOMEN think men and women are entitled to their personal fantasies that don't harm anyone. Including sexy sexy bdsm Dom sub dynamics. It IS feminism for everyone to privately enjoy what they like without victims or shame
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:39 PM
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What is that article supposed to support? Feminist fought pretty hard to shift public opinion towards allowing women to own their sexuality without shame, I'm sure you can find examples of women taking offense at The fantasy of male dominance but it's laughable that you think that's what 'the feminists' cared about at large. Much less the worry that they made the guy too hot on the cover? It's erotica, strong jawlines and muscles are pretty standard
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:15 PM
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The lash back was because the protagonist is genuinely abusive and controlling. Softening the cover model didn't fix that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:02 PM
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I don't want to parse all your sentence fragments and incomplete ideas anymore or reconcile the bizarre spacing which makes your barely recognizable ideas even more of a chore to construct. Your premise seems to be that men are incapable of relationships and seek only sexual gratification or reproduction, which is offensive, but you also solely blame the women for it because they aren't breedable or fuckable enough, which is offensive. Is this entire unfathomable post just your way to say that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:18 PM
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Oh great! Another man complaining that women are not monolithically consistent in everything said on the internet. You do realize that most women are complaining about lack of commitment or fidelity, right? I've also seen complaints about men's lack of socialization and conversational skills, but that seems to be mostly with Gen z. If a woman just wants to get laid, it's easy and if she wants a real relationship it's going to take slogging through the bad options which does suck, which is also w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:50 PM
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It's a gold mine if you want hot pre-vetted dick to pump and dump. It's also pretty great if you want a relationship so long as you dig through the sexual harassment and red flags, but you can also fish around locally in person for something more organic too. Its a time frame of months not decades, and men who are uninterested due to age would straight up be terrible partners anyways. We're also not killing ourselves and other people in droves over sexlessness. Our life expectancy doesn't plumme…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:10 PM
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I'm not sure if you think "quality dick" is a relationship material dick or dick that can make us orgasm. If it's the latter there are apps with the pick of the litter laid out like a catalogue for us to choose from. If it's the former then we are pretty content to bide our time and pick the market over, or even be alone. Competition isn't what it was even a decade ago
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:49 PM
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Relationships are largely NOT emotionless selfish transactions where you put in 'effort' tokens and babies pop out. Men and women have OTHER considerations than fertility or EVEN attractiveness that you completely disregard in your effort=fertility theory of relationships Your entire premise is based on complete dehumanization of women and reducing men to ruthless one dimensional monsters. It offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:38 PM
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There is plenty of dick to go around we are in a dick rich society. We know that the dicks will never be appeased and will constantly demand our time and resources. We're not policing market value lol we'll always desperately pursued
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:25 PM
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Then go have empty meaningless sex with other men and leave us alone
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:22 PM
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People climb Everest for literally no reason. People get into relationships for lots of reasons but emotional fulfillment is one of them and you seem to miss that entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 08:38 AM
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It's obvious that you are not focusing on anything but breeding. There is nothing resembling a relationship anywhere in your post or repetitive comments If you had a literal mechanical incubator that took really intense maintenance to get your clones out of, and your post was a question about men getting a cheap ones or a top of the line ones, then you'd actually have a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 08:13 AM
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Your 'concept' is that women only have value in their breedability. My 'rebuttal' is that you are gross and don't see women as human beings. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:43 AM
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You want to make babies reeeeal bad and need an incubator to do it. Go for it dude Most people care about liking their partner or whatever but you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:28 AM
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All of those words to publicly announce women are just sperm incubators in your eyes. Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:15 AM
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Lol you're really not going to admit that I used I correctly? Damn, boys are sore losers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:32 AM
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It's the noun form not the verb form silly. Give it a google
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:13 AM
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Lol, someone is being fragile here and it's not the women who managed to hurt your feelings enough to make a post
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:02 AM
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If I call you a condescending prick and you don't feel ashamed. Then it didn't shame you, right? Do you see how the words work?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:00 AM
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I'm assuming you'll read my previous comments and put it together. In fact you pretty much just made my point again for me. Men aren't ashamed or disadvantaged by being fuckbois so it's not comparable to slut shaming women who have had much worse consequences to being labeled. Do you know the terms punching up and punching down? Now that women have flipped the script and are pumping and dumping men with leagues more success those morés might shift in the future but it will never have the history…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:40 AM
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I have from the first response. It's more socially acceptable for a very understandable reason
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:26 AM
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Of course it's intended as an insult
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:25 AM
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No lol. That's not what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:14 AM
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And it's more socially acceptable to slut shame men than women, I've given a few reasons why that is
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:11 AM
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It makes it different from slut shaming which is broadly insulting and disliked
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:00 AM
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You're talking about a societal level claim, not a personal one. Men who get the fuckboi title are getting copious amounts of sex or at least shamelessly trying to, the title is a badge of honor among their peers fo their successes or a red flag awarded for their creepy aggressive behavior (which should be shamed). Women who get the slut title have had more sex than some man who didn't get to fuck them would like. It's actually derogatory
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:57 AM
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Do you have any idea how many men idolize, praise, and want to be fuckbois? Do you really think it is comparable to the decades of slut shaming women have experienced? That's why it's socially acceptable, because men aren't really shamed by it by and large
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:44 AM
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Not 'i say so' it's the meaning of the word objectify. You say men should be judged for objectifying and then forgive the forms of objectification that are not straight up assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:27 AM
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I stopped after your list of what objectification should not be considered as. All of it is objectification, just because you feel like men shouldn't be judged for objectifying women doesn't change the cultural understanding of what objectification is. Do you notice that you only accept definitions when women are physically sexually abused or neglected? You obviously have no empathy for somebody's, emotional and mental well-being, which is why I did not bother reading the rest of the novel
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:49 AM
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And do you know how many men say they never thought about women's issues until they had a daughter? I think that's a little different than vetting a man over the course of years and growing over months and years in a relationship. I don't even know what you're advocating for. Women are already aware of domestic violence and cheating by partners they trusted. In fact, I'm pretty sure that takes third place after murder and rape
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:48 PM
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The actual phrase is 'Not every man, but ANY man' this whole debate is off to a false start
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:27 AM
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You mean 'ive spent years with this person and been completely vulnerable many times without them betraying my trust, so I feel safe with them'? Is that too complicated for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:24 AM
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This is an incredibly reasonable and common outlook. Good thing southern makes sense to you though
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:04 PM
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Obviously. Desperate for engagement, masturbatory hate, drumming up the other losers... man I just feel sorry for you. Fuck you got mine mentality without even getting mine
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:39 AM
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Yep. Posting the opinion that you should treat women as subhumans usually gets a lot of responses. It also makes you trash
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:19 AM
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Good job op ur a super sexer! All the sex people get to be jealous of your sex because it's the sexiest of all!! Yay!!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:49 AM
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There is a difference between not being attracted to someone and only being attracted to them for their money
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:17 AM
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It isn't because men are much happier to fuck someone they aren't attracted to and enjoy the validation of being desired. A woman is not happy to fuck someone they aren't interested in and feel objectified and invalidated by aggressive sexual interest. Straight men can get that experience from gay men, which makes it a proper comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:16 AM
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What is fulfilling? When do you know it's the right person? Are you counting anybody who would deign to call themselves your girlfriend ?What metrics of success are you using? A first date? A lifetime? How worthy does this partner have to be before they count as a trophy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 08:48 PM
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No, working out is effort with a measurable expected result. Getting a job and putting in the effort for a paycheck gives a measurable expected result. Sharing your life with someone and growing in love for each other is what makes working out and having a job worth it. I don't view it as another transaction for a measurable pleasure and checked box
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 07:26 PM
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Here, now I'll teach you about boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:30 PM
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There's nothing wrong with enjoying that. I just think it sounds miserable to treat a relationship like a commodity you compete for with a trophy at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:12 PM
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Yeah that life sounds miserable as hell, though it's the same manosphere crap that gets popular
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:59 PM
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I thought you 'gave up notions of morals' so the label shouldn't bother you right? Go forth and try to lie your way into bed, see how it goes. Did that help?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:52 PM
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You can't be helped. I'm not trying anymore. Go somewhere else for attention
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:41 PM
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Hostility is a tact to get you to go away Please oblige
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:34 PM
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I don't have any problem with someone having a moral stance against promiscuity if you're not a hypocrite about it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:30 PM
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I think behaving like scum will get you a scummy situation. Does that help?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:26 PM
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You're an idiot. I said that some women would call it rape if you lie about being in a committed relationship with them to coerce them into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:24 PM
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Cheaters have a lot of sexual partners, how surprising. Do you use that same figure to dissuade men from getting laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:22 PM
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I'm really not too worried about it. Have the day you deserve ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:11 PM
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What makes you think casual sex is baggage? There are men who sleep around, and now there are women who sleep around, there's plenty of people who don't sleep around too They can all find each other based on preference and live their lives. There's plenty of types. I am just laughing at the guys who think women doing the exact same thing men like to do getting upset and superior. Sure some guys won't like it and be insecure, but there are other fish in the sea who don't think sex devalues a pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:07 PM
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You should have payment on dinner figured out before you go. If she is knowingly lying about going out with you again to get free food then that is absolutely theft, wtf are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:57 PM
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It is what you said, I'm reading exactly what it says The ones who look down on it still would look own on you further for lying about wanting to be in a relationship to coerce a woman into sex under false pretenses, a lot of women would call that rape. Your last two comments are contradictory. Would you agree one is a worse lie than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:49 PM
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So why throw a fit over women you're not interested in having as much sex as they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:29 PM
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What's wrong is 'going after' anyone based on their sexual experience as if that is what defines them It's creepy to target women based on sexual inexperience, you don't know unless you ask which is creepy, or you're going for as young as possible to ensure it which is creepy and predatory. You could just give a shit about the person instead. Your inexperience isn't what makes it right or wrong to pursue anyone. They can choose to accept or reject you on their own. If you're so scared about bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:27 PM
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Oh so altogether leaving the US. I have nothing against that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:14 PM
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I'm talking about men shopping for foreign brides. It's not a relationship of love clearly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:04 PM
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Everyone who isn't a shitty person week tell you it's wrong to lying manipulating scum, and that it's creepy to target women based on their inexperience. It's always your choice whether or not to be a good person, I just think you will get what you deserve
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:59 PM
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You're hinging your identity on what flagrantly unhelpful internet strangers have said, while throwing yourself an unending pity party. Your not going to get results I'm pretty sure
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:43 PM
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You're talking about a fringe case in a fringe case of a transactional relationship. I'm sure it's the majority
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:37 PM
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Do you object to women using passport bros for better opportunities and green cards?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:32 PM
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I think you put all your hopes into someone that didn't work out. I think you're hurting over what feels like a missed opportunity when really it just wasn't a good person for you to begin with. I think you want to turn that hurt into anger because maybe then you'll get what you want, right? And you can blame women for abandoning your morals because if they had just given you what you wanted when you were good this wouldn't have happened? Do you like this person you're trying to become?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:29 PM
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Because you clearly can't
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:41 PM
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That would be great but they absolutely are putting up with that behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:41 PM
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Right? What a loveless empty life OP is striving for
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:44 AM
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Hot
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:38 AM
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Why not pay a sex worker?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:27 AM
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I read go finding honey as in being alone. Not taking marmalade at all because it wasn't good enough and finding your happiness anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:32 AM
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He's the biggest lol. And we're interracial. Go cry yourself to sleep over it racist prick 🖕
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:04 AM
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Why am I not surprised that you think interracial is taboo? Of course it's one-sided. It has nothing to do with you or your bottomless entitlement and insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:59 AM
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I've got nothing against that. You don't seem hypocritical to me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:55 AM
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Lol have you been on this sub before? A lot of men take pride in having that double standard. It was an honest question
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:51 AM
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He's had more partners than I have and neither of us are stressed about each other's pasts The question is why are you so afraid of woman having as much sexual experience as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:48 AM
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Keep coping
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:42 AM
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Lol go to your room if you're going to throw a tantrum and then come back when you've settled down
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:38 AM
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You're mistaken about who is doing the pumping and dumping in that scenario. At least you've agreed with my original comment. I understand men are insecure about their partners body count, so are women. I'm just pointing out that the norm is shifting to more equal levels of how men and women approach sexual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:36 AM
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Pay close attention to the qualifiers ok? AS MANY of the hottest matches they CAN GET in the meantime Every guy pretty much takes the best he can get, it's not exclusive to the party scene, it's leading with your dick. And I didn't qualify it being successful see? Just trying to. It's not my fault women have it easier when they try
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:29 AM
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I said since the 70's silly goose
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:23 AM
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I'm talking about the behavior of looking for long term compatibility while also sleeping with whoever you fancied along the way. What does reproduction have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:18 AM
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And you have to cope by pretending sex devalues a woman but doesn't devalue a man. It's pretty sad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:03 AM
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Population growth, yes. Collapse the west. Lol. No
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:30 AM
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And you haven't heard how much more sexless young men are now a days? And you've never heard men in general bragging about how many 'chicks they banged'?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:16 AM
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I've said since the 70's, pre apps lol And they've tried, I promise
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:10 AM
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Are you as judgemental about men doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:59 PM
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That's fine, I'm just pointing out that it's finally equalizing between the genders in that behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:57 PM
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You didn't know they have been trying to find a woman worth marrying while also sleeping with as many of the hottest matches they can get in the meantime?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:56 PM
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What about that is a game? Or an illusion? I completely disagree that men are more rational, there wouldn't be a supply and demand issue if they didn't need relationships more than women. There are plenty of women wanting a conservative gender roles, but they are expecting a very high level of support and they are not staying pure untouched virgins either, sorry to pop your fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:54 PM
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My experience is that the women using them either 1) are looking for hookups and are happy with the apps 2) get too fed up with the harassment and got off of them for good or 3) found a relationship and deleted it Irl it's generally they aren't approaching men because they just have to wait for a guy to approach them, it's just a matter of time, or they are embracing their singleness. Then there is a minority who just have rock bottom self esteem but they aren't going to be approaching men anywa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:48 PM
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Women are fine with being in the drivers seat from what I can tell. Men just don't like us sleeping around with hot guys while looking for the one to spend our lives with, aka what men have been doing since the 70's.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:31 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:22 AM
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You think it's brutal rejection to find out she's seeing someone? And you think that's the same thing as getting manipulated and used and thrown away?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:21 AM
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Women love providing for others. And we're awesome at it. We want it all, people to love and to love us, wonderful healthy lives that we maintain and nurture, we want to have fun and for everyone to be safe. We can do it and we're working towards it. What we DONT want is all the men around us kicking and screaming because they don't get enough pussy or they aren't in charge of us. It's embarrassing and exhausting. Join us and stop fighting it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:47 PM
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THANK YOU. This is the answer red pill is so damned blind to because they want so badly to have the power of inequality again.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:46 PM
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He just wants women subjugated, it has nothing to do with STI's, teen pregnancy, or family planning
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:38 PM
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They were expected to provide for their families which women are doing now too. And it wasn't balance when women didn't have a choice. We ruined it because we didn't want it. And we will keep making strides for equality because that is what we want despite your insecure fears
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:31 PM
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Your 'truth' is a deep misunderstanding of taxes, which plenty of people have pointed out already, and misogyny. Cool truth bro
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:11 PM
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Different expectations. Women are providing now with income of their own and yet emotional labour/home labor has shifted much less so towards equality
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:30 PM
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Your whole argument is women need to get out of the work force so men can make more money. And how great that would be for men. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:26 PM
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Dude you're so sad and mad 😂 you'll say 10 contradictory things so long as you get to bash imaginary women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:15 PM
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Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:07 PM
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In other words, rejected after sex
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:55 PM
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I said that the thing a man wants most of all is to not be alone, and you tell me I'm wrong because I can't understand just how correct that statement is? Do I have that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:58 AM
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How is that a disagreement with my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:41 AM
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DAYUM. You shut this whole post down right there!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:36 AM
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You threatened his masculinity and now he's having a little freak out
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:35 AM
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This is the most pathetic take I've heard
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:32 AM
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Get off of dating apps with 90-10% ratio
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:36 PM
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Women have solved the problem of having only shitty options by getting off the apps and being happy alone because it's better than dealing with the crap we would have to shovel through. I agree that it sucks for men too, and Im not asking for your sympathy because I know you don't give a fuck about women's experience, I'm just pointing out that the OPs debate point is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:40 AM
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That sucks, I'm sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:56 AM
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Lol yes all women are terrible and men are normal. Got it. Good convo
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:26 AM
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Lol so much more succinct than I would have put it and much more effective What's with all these guys labeled purple pill who are spouting red pill ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:24 AM
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No I'm not. The analogy is that men don't get options and the women get shitty options. It sucks for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:18 AM
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The analogy is that neither gets what they want or need. Men get no options and women get swamped with dpics and harassment. Both cases suck
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:16 AM
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Sure, I conceded that point. If you want to argue about who has it worse then there would be a debate. Plainly claiming it doesn't suck at all for women is where he's wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:00 AM
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When he says 'fair' he's talking about men having equal access to women. He's not talking about what's fair to women at all
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:59 PM
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It does suck. Recently read 'men are dying of thirst in the desert and women are dying of thirst in the ocean' and it's spot on. Obviously apps have way more men than women so you can argue about that advantage fs, but you're ridiculous for claiming it doesn't suck
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:38 PM
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Well, at least you're honest about where your priorities are
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:49 PM
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That's not what fair means, and if you are 100% correct then women SHOULD want nothing to do with men. You would have to concede the point that men make women's lives worse. I don't believe that of course. I think it's a psychotic thing to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:43 PM
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Don't get it twisted LOL Red pill says Dad women are shallow manipulative gold diggers as a whole. Blue pill just means not red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:36 PM
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But you didn't consider making men's lives better while they're single? Or making women's lives better when they're in a relationship? Do you realize that most of History it was the case where women's lives were much worse when they were single due to institutionalized inequality and how that is a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:21 PM
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I pointed out making men's lives better single, but I like your comment better because men don't want to be alone most of all
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:16 PM
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Lolol Imagine wanting to make women's lives worse instead of wanting to make men's lives better. Crab mentality at its finest
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:02 PM
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That's you have nothing left to whine about
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:28 PM
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Do you think it's any different for women? People who prefer partners with tall body counts are the minority, that's not rocket science. It's just funny that you CAN accept that dating/sex is easier for women but you CANT accept them using that to actually get as much sex as they want. You have to cope by believing it devalues them. That it's different than a man doing the same thing, or that they'll have some terrible fate as punishment. It's just not the way it works
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:15 PM
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I hope you realize that this is not the norm BTW. Most women comfortable with practicing casual sex are not going to be very timid in a relationship either. It is a minority of women that even have new sexual partners at a high frequency. This post was just about the edge case of women who compartmentalize casual sex and' serious' sex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:29 PM
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A woman does not define herself in relation to a man, she is not 'his slut' and 'his lady' sure she can wear those hats because being either is great but they don't sum up who she is. Women can have the guys she bangs and the guys she settles down with and, news flash buddy, most guys don't give a fuck so long as they are compatible. You can threaten me with warnings of men running away from unpure harlots but the fact of the matter is there's plenty to choose from that aren't still clinging to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:16 PM
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And men who feel little say 'sit down' on the internet. I'm not responsible for your little feelings and you deserve all the sarcasm. I feel like giving you. Let me know if you need a time out
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:02 PM
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Oh no! Men who are tall and personable get girlfriends that's so unfair! It's not like men have any preferences at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:01 PM
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The first sign? Really? The FIRST? You do you realize you're going to have a sign of incompatibility with everyone at some point right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:56 PM
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Thank you for the laughs!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:54 PM
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Yeah I never said he couldn't. Get untwisted
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:08 AM
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I said IF he decides to do this it's clearly self sabotage. Try reading more slowly I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:53 AM
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What the hell are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:46 AM
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Grow past purity culture. It's more fun over here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:09 AM
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absolutely, but that's not the flex you think it is. There are plenty of options
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:04 AM
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You're confused about who is being pumped and dumped in this scenario, the fact that men are so easy to get into bed is not our fault
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:01 AM
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No one is taking your feelings away. This entire conversation comes down to whether or not it's okay for a woman to use a man just for sex with full consent by both parties, and also still have the agency over her body to not have sex with another man quickly. The entire thing is insultingly entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:00 AM
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That's rich. You think men are entitled to feel sighted by the game but you're happy to reduce women to shallow gold diggers and expect me to take you any more seriously than I did
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:55 PM
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You are absolutely entitled to cry about it. Women using men for sex is torture to the men who aren't getting used. I get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:43 PM
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You're insecurity with not getting laid does not overrule her consent. The conversation I was having with the other commenter is in the hypothetical where he is in a relationship where he feels like his needs are met If you want sex and your girlfriend is not ready to have sex with you then you are free to move on and go look for what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:31 PM
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Yes. If you are in a relationship and you are happy with the amount of sex you're getting why shoot yourself in the foot comparing yourself to her last sexual encounter?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:26 PM
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The safety of friendship plus the fun of sex low risk high reward
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:24 PM
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No. Obviously. I explicitly said his attitude was not hypocritical that he wouldn't be in a relationship in which a woman wanted time before sleeping together. I just encouraged him not to compare time frames. Did you even read the conversation or are you just offended at the idea of a woman saying no?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:58 PM
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That is what I'm saying. You're not entitled to have sex with her because she had sex with someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:46 PM
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See the problem here is that you think he's entitled to sex with her. That she doesn't have a choice about when she gets to decide to sleep with anybody for any reason She can engage in casual sex for her own pleasure and also not also as she pleases. If he doesn't want to wait then he doesn't have to date her he can go look for whatever makes him happy too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:41 PM
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He is not being forced to jump through hoops.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:39 PM
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He's not. He's doesn't have to do anything. And neither does she
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:09 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:52 PM
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No. Why would it be? She's already rejected him. At that point it's a matter of weighing the physical risks and rewards of sex only
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:22 PM
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You're gross
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:37 PM
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So are men. Women are just letting that hypocrisy affect them less and indulging in the same way when they feel like it. The conversation is the opposite of them having a flippant attitude towards sex because we are talking about women who engage in casual sex and then also take relationships seriously and don't jump into bed right away
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:16 PM
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Sex is not horrible and unfun (unless your partner is terrible, and keep in mind the reputation is that women get far less orgasms than men) it's that sex is vulnerable emotionally when it's someone you care about. If you care about them but don't know them well it is doubly so. Though, I think mainly its the fear of rejection after sex which is an absolutely brutal and dehumanizing feeling. So that fear coupled with the fact that if he only wants sex then he won't wait anyways makes it even mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:12 PM
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It should of course be super hot and fun for both. This is just a cheeky way to say that the consequences are just as minimal for a woman. It's a private pleasure that doesn't affect other aspects of her life including how she navigates long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:45 PM
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I commend wanting to understand it but I encourage you put more energy into accepting it. No matter what the answer is it's not going to change the behavior. I also think 'desire' is the wrong word here and frames it completely incorrectly. If she's agreed to be exclusive with you then she desires you (obligatory not all women). The difference is that sex isn't the primary way women explore that. I can only speak for myself but quick sex just feels shallow at best and like being used at worse. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:39 PM
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I'm very much not into casual sex for myself, more open to FWB theoretically but never felt like I had an opportunity that was also a good idea, only bad ideas lol. At least you can recognize the chip, that's the first step in addressing hang ups. Honestly I don't think you'll have to though because you'll have a relationship with sex from the start. Thanks for the productive convo btw. That feels rare in this sub!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:27 PM
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That was my biggest take away as well. That and the people who think society couldn't exist at all
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:49 PM
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I agree that it's lopsided. But what is right? Women aren't and shouldn't be obligated to be with men just because they want it. Men deserve to feel loved and desired but nobody is actually obligated to do that and its the lesser evil compared to sexual subjugation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:43 PM
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Women are not monolithic nor does being happy along preclude the ability to be happy in a relationship. You can be happy without something and still want it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:25 PM
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Mutual respect is required for that, VALUING the other person in other words
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:23 PM
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I think I do understand, but I would gently argue that you don't seem to be in support of actual casual sex as much as friends with benefits, which is fine ofc. I respect that you know your boundaries haha I don't see any hypocrisy in your attitude at all, I'd just encourage you not to take it personally if a lady has progressed to sex with someone else quicker than if she progressed to it with you, that's not fair to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:19 PM
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Yourtango is equally open platform just like Medium, idk why you thought it was more compelling? If you're pointing out women can be happy alone I already agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:00 PM
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And what in my comment gave you the impression that I'm oppressing male sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:50 PM
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Medium is a crap site where anyone can post their feelings, I'm not really interested in reading it, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:48 PM
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What I meant was do you think a man having sex with a woman he does not intend to have a relationship with should change the expectations and behavior when he eventually does engage in a relationship? You can have whatever preferences you want in a partner, and break up for any reason, but putting that expectation on women in general because you don't like women having casual sex. That's something else. Would you be happy to be in a relationship with a woman who waited ~6 months in all of her pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:47 PM
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Valuing sex only is valuing the woman as a means to an end and nothing more. Plenty of men make it explicitly known
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:35 PM
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Women are happy alone because they are happy alone, not because some guy is timid. Yeah we can agree attractive people attract more people
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:33 PM
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There is an "and/or" in there. Making them clearly separate and not mutually exclusive. Still, never a bad thing to fight purity culture so your input is welcome. Resisting misogyny is NOT resisting men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:32 PM
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I also don’t see how it’s using someone for sex when both parties desire sex for pleasures sake. If both people want to have sex with the other for no reason other than the fact that they are attracted to eachother, that’s using someone as much as asking someone to play tennis with you is using them. Then again, sex and romantic love aren’t attached for me. Maybe I’m coming from an alien perspective. Do you feel the same way when men have sex with women they don't want relationships with? I agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:27 PM
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Because his preference in that case would be to not value relationships with women. Sure it's a preference, but you will be judged accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:22 PM
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This sub is reactionary to red pill theory. Even 'blue pill' itself was born of sarcasm and represents 'not redpill' rather than it's own ideology. There are more red pillers here because the red pill subreddit was quarantined, blue pill considered its mission complete and went offline too. I think Blue pillers have largely grown bored of the talking points and blatant stubborn misandry and have moved on while red pillers still have some passion for these topics and keep it going, with enough pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:18 PM
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It really sounds like it's the men in that scenario that deserve judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:17 PM
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There's room for romantic love. And enough men who want romantic love too that some people are even happy to be with each other!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:16 PM
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Please do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:14 PM
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That doesn't over rule her consent. If you don't want to wait then go back to trying to get hook ups and leave her alone
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:13 PM
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You say you understand but your attitude clearly indicates you don't. It's not really stringing along. It's genuinely something she's doing to protect her peace. But I know too many women who fuck around, but then become chaste when finding a 'good guy' This is the same woman. You 'deciding' which 'one' she is completely ignoring her agency. It's not about the 'good guy' that determines her motivations shes not reacting to you she's choosing who to use for sex and who to build a relationship wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:11 PM
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Male sexuality isn't bad. Perpetual horniness that eclipses everything else in your life and/or violating other people's boundaries is
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:50 PM
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I can only boil it down to games=bad consent=good. Most women getting to know a man before engaging sexually with him are not playing games, and it's really entitled to think she's using it as some sort of carrot. I understand why men would feel that way but your feelings don't trump our consent (which you obviously understand). So the question is how should men get their validation without making women perform sexually when they don't want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:38 PM
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I think the majority of people have low self esteem and a lot of nasty behavior can be traced back to it. That being said, those women are way out of line if they are offering 'you're not my type' without being prompted, that's really rude. I'm not sure if what you are describing in the second half of your comment are relationships or hook ups, if it's hookups then I would encourage you not to take it personally because it's not about you they are just going with whatever pleases themself in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:30 PM
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Yes I can understand that, which is why I explained it from a woman's perspective. That's the point of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:17 PM
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But monogamous sex after feeling safe enough to share our life with you IS the sex that's born out of desire and more importantly affection and love. Hookups are just non-solo masturbation If you feel like relationship sex is 'settling' and 'management' then that is a self esteem issue on your part
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:06 PM
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He's just not considering this from a woman's perspective She's not 'making men work harder'. She is simply not using him for sex like she might do with a man she has no interest in building a life with
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:29 PM
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You don't think that it's stressful because of gender expectations that wouldn't exist in this hypothetical?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:28 PM
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Most women want love, and orgasms are a great bonus
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:27 PM
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I'm just engaging with your assumptions. I personally believe you are completely wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:20 PM
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I fundamentally agree. I expected answers like that but I'm surprised by the percentage of people in this thread claiming society wouldn't exist/we'd be extinct over the premise. It's clearly stated to not be 'no libido' or 'sex averse' but commenters see our entire civilization built on testosterone alone
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:58 PM
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If they aren't missing out on anything why would they ever put in the effort to 'slay' mans 'dragon'? Are women really putting up dragons? Or is it just not worth their time without greater incentive?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:51 PM
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Are you aware that women are currently edging out men in education and high-level stem positions? The percentage is shifting startlingly quickly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:42 PM
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A lot of comments here have said that society, industry, and creativity would collapse because men would equally lose the drive to be productive and successful. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:09 PM
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You're telling on yourself if you think the equivalent of female sex drive is not having one at all
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:05 PM
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The hypothetical is that men have a medium to low libido. Not no libido. And you are taking a stance that men do not want to be fathers, regardless of libido?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:06 AM
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Do you think the world would become a matriarchy with women taking positions of higher ambition?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:21 AM
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For themselves like I said
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:54 AM
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So you think that versions of either gender are equally content since they don't have the experience to make that sort of determination?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:51 AM
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That would be a question for u/shadowrangerfs but I think he means better boundaries with women as they'll be less motivated by sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:14 AM
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Any suggestions on shifting the narrative on a large scale to something more positive?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:53 AM
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Where do you think the majority of that messaging comes from?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:47 AM
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Are other priorities not strong enough? For example safety in numbers, better health, prosperity and security for themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:45 AM
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And for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:39 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:34 AM
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Do you think that men and women are equally content to be sexless?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:33 AM
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Make your own post then, why comment if you refuse to engage with the premise
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:31 AM
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That would be part of the hypothetical then, the perception of mens sexual prowess would not have developed since that's no longer the primary objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:26 AM
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Thank you for sharing your insights
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:23 AM
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Do you think it would be a net positive or a net negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:15 AM
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Very well put, I would argue that validation through sex as a woman is comparable for exactly the reason you point out. We know when we are being used.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:14 AM
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Why would that be good?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:10 AM
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What would the consequences be of men having more power in the dating world do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:06 AM
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You don't think that it affects mens sense of self-worth when they don't get sex? Oh it for sure does, it's not just something innate to...not having sex Can you make this more clear you seem to be contradicting
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:02 AM
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Interesting response Why do you think lower libido in the past would have resulted in Extinction considering that desire to have a family would not have changed. Is it that you believe the majority of men would rather not reproduce if it were not for libido? The point about men being driven to success being based on libido is also interesting, do you not think any pursuits would replace the desire for sex ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:00 AM
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You don't think that it affects mens sense of self-worth when they don't get sex? Again, The discussion is not about men with low libido and how they do with women, but rather how the playing field would be changed under this hypothetical circumstance. Are you saying you don't think the world would be any different if there were never any men with high libido?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:52 PM
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I didn't say that libido did. I said that not having their desires fulfilled did. I'm also not talking about individual low libido men, but the impact of different gender relations as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:36 PM
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Do you think the birthrate would decline significantly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:04 PM
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Do you believe women do not have sex drives?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:47 PM
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What do you think is 'better' solo sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:57 PM
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Conventional means generally believed. It is not generally believed, and painting it that way is biased
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:39 PM
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And you don't see how the title you gave it is dripping with bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:59 PM
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And have you admitted your own bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:54 PM
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What conventional wisdom are you referring to beyond misogyny? You've linked an 'article' from a site where literally anyone can put their opinion up, it's not news or research
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:47 PM
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Toxicity is manipulation and belittling. Not having a backbone
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:35 PM
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A few points to consider: You say 'she shouldn't do it if she doesn't want to' but Neutral AUTOMATICALLY means she 'doesn't want to' Someone USING your body for sex is a surefire way to turn that neutrality into negativity resentment and aversion overtime. A lower libido means she never has the chance to want or enjoy sex with you, since she is having unpleasureable sex with you more often than she wants sex at all. How many times do you think it takes for sex like that to erode actual desire fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 09:39 PM
1

You mean when he acts cringey?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:52 PM
1

"Nice guy" means a guy pretending to be nice to get in your pants and then lashing out when he's rejected. So you want women to start telling men they are ugly, with details, when they are rejected? And you think this will help gender relations?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:50 PM
1

And that's why it cracks me up. We watch all the same television you guys do. But when the hot bad girl gets dumped for the goofy looking sweetheart we don't lose our shit over ' society lying to us' even when the 'goofy' love interest is conventionally gorgeous. Y'all need some feminism to get over this reality versus fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:44 PM
1

Oh and hot women who are absolute assholes never get male attention You guys are such hypocrites. But to be fair women knew the score about mans shallowness for ever and have come to terms with it, you guys are only just finding out we're people too
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:42 PM
9

I can't help but laugh at guys who complain that good-looking guys get relationships, and are so braindead they don't realize that it's exactly the same for women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:24 AM
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Yet another post complaining that women are shallow, as if men aren't at all motivated by beauty standards at all 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:14 AM
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I think youre insulting men way more than women tbf
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 04:15 AM
6

I don't care what you do with your dick, sweetie. Your 'insight' is entitled, sad, and thoroughly exhausted
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:39 PM
2

I like to imagine he will wake up in the night slapping his forehead lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:23 AM
4

He took offence because it sounds like you're seeing one person and keeping your 'options' open He refuses to accept any other explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:15 AM
10

He's clearly dealing with some shit rn. Maybe reddit is just the easiest way to be heard
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:36 AM
6

I read your edit, and the original topic just isn't important here. Listen, you have worth that is so much greater than whether or not someone is giving you romantic attention. I know that's a weak bandaid when your self worth is scraping bottom but you need to hear it. I don't know what other burdens you're carrying but I can see it's too much. One day we will all be gone and out of this existence again, it's inevitable, so for now I hope you find whatever peace and joy that you can and hold on…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:32 AM
1

What's your problem with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:21 AM
-1

So which woman should have her agency taken away for you to bang, and make life worth living again?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:15 AM
5

It's ok buddy. Just try re-reading this thread again after a good night's sleep, or have a friend read it and explain it to you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:09 AM
30

Another "women just need to give men sex" post. Great 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:01 AM
1

So stop trying to tear women to the bottom. I don't want a pole at all and I don't care if you want to be treated like a piece of meat because I'm not going to. I also am not going to treat men like crap en mass either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:51 AM
1

Of course it's possible, don't give up so easily. And stop treating other human beings as your 'little joys in life'. We're all frustrated. The economy sucks for everyone. The social landscape sucks for everyone. The future sucks for everyone. We all need to help each other and it would be great to not feel like either a trophy or meat in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:38 AM
1

So shouldn't we focus on improving education, employment, housing rates health, and safety for men? You took my comment and contrived a world where I de-objectified Hollywood? I oppressed men by saying we should focus on improving things for men?? I put myself above men by just by feeling grossed out as a child AND you prioritize men getting to leer at women as their little sexual entertainment? Yikes is all I have to say to that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:17 AM
4

I never said he'd be 'second in line' you really don't understand this option thing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:02 AM
6

That would be a misunderstanding of what u/leosandlattes said. That's my only point. Of course it's much better on the ego to be somebody's one and only choice. Second place is a pretty thin consolation, and better yet than not being an option at all
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:28 AM
2

Oh please, I'm sorry that your butthurt there isn't oggle-meat in movies anymore. But the world is better without it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:24 AM
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Id hope hed be flattered that I was interested in him. Like I said an 'option' doesn't always mean 'one of many'. It can mean 'I choose you' vs ' I don't choose you'
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:57 AM
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Oh I do. Still flattering, but I question his priorities. If he's rating people in order I don't find that attractive. If what you actually mean is That he thought of a few girls he might ask out but decided to ask me out, then no, I don't mind that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:39 AM
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Why would I mind somebody being interested in me romantically? No I don't mind, that's flattering
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:06 AM
2

Not just about screwing them up but the fear that some A-hole will 'lust thrust bust and dust' and leave us in a terrible economy with no support
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:03 AM
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I still think you don't understand. Let's say I'm only interested in dating one guy right now. He is single and we have good chemistry. That makes him an option Being an option is a good thing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:57 PM
1

That sucks. 20% is a huge margin
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:48 PM
1

So you agree that men and women should be paid the same for the same level of education and work?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:36 PM
4

It was the '90s, when the family sat down to watch a movie. That was what was on the TV lol. Despite your mocking tone I will explain. Yes, it feels very dehumanizing to see a woman turned into a piece of meat to be oggled at. It's not that complicated
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:34 PM
12

Same word different context. You have to attract interest before someone is interested. That's what option means here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:30 PM
2

Behavior like women being shamelessly objectified in every widespread feature comedy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:22 PM
11

Option in this sense is not derogatory just an initial yes or no on whether this is someone available and desirable or not. Someone has to be an option before they are a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:18 PM
2

Things have gotten a lot better for women since the '90s, I remember watching comedies as a little girl and there's always at least one over the top portrayal of a woman that exists just for sexual gratification and I was too young to understand this sick feeling of shame it would give me. The waning of purity culture, and the freedom to be sexless/ childless growing are other factors that have made things better for women overall I think a lot of men recognize how much better things have gotten…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:08 PM
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His logic is that women protecting their drinks is the same as cops treating people of color unequally. 'If women can protect their drinks from being spiked then surely we should allow cops to overstep the law with minorities, right??'
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:34 PM
2

My current partner confessed to me early in our relationship that he had experimented with men. I was completely underprepared for how much shame and fear he was going through admitting that to me. I did and continue to do my best to show him and reassure him That I have no Hang-Ups about it and that he doesn't need to either, The hardest part is balancing the sympathy for his feelings and the stress he's under, and the fact that I don't care at all that this is part of his past, I want to norma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:29 PM
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You should just come right out and tell him the truth. All the women he's arguing with don't fight each other because they are right and he is wrong lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:13 PM
1

Empathy is different than sympathy and The way people interact on the internet is different than they interact in person
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:35 PM
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Lol I'm trying to decide if you're so misandrist that you'll be racist to defend it, or if you're so racist you'll use misandry to defend it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:32 PM
1

This is insane. I wrote a two paragraph response but then realized you just see women as a boogeyman villain completely selfish and venomous. Either insane or just sad
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 06:01 PM
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It's not the statement, it's the entire outlook buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:55 PM
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"Hey, I know what I said was misogynistic and based on my absolute ignorance of relationships, I get it I really do... ...but I'ma bout to double down on it"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:16 PM
2

Reality doesn't care about anyone. Capitalism doesn't care either. Neither ever has. Women are not synonymous with reality and capitalism, we're victims of society too, everyone is. I understand your circumstances probably suck but making enemies out of people who aren't doesn't seem like a good way to make anything better
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:38 PM
2

It's not that rare. I stopped going to my own mother's house because she objects to my boyfriend not being Christian and wearing black clothes. If she wants to be shallow she can do it alone while I dote on an amazing man that makes me happy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:36 PM
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Because women don't act like black holes of loveless consuming unless you've gotten into a relationship with someone who is sociopathic. If a man is only giving while the other only takes the vast majority of women would encourage him to get out! It's easy to feel like women aren't capable of love because none have ever offered you romantic love but it's self sabotage to take that sorry feeling and force it into a world view. It's like a kid wishing she was dead so that everyone will be so sorry…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:42 PM
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You sound so sad
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:54 PM
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You sound so sad
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:45 PM
1

Dude, you have serious problems, good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:20 PM
1

You have literally sworn not to give women empathy. I'm not the one that made you sound like a monster
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:09 PM
1

Because you've said a couple timess that you won't give women empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:00 PM
1

And the women in your family who have treated you with dignity, do you have empathy for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:21 PM
1

Has no woman ever treated you as a fellow human being OR are you bitter at rejection and have been bullied by the popular girls? I find that far more likely than the assertion that no woman in the entire world has ever had any empathy for you. My guess is that you're stuck in a dramatic victim complex, brought on by some genuinely mean women. I'm sorry you've been hurt but I'm far more sorry you've decided that no woman is worth empathy. That's twisted
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 04:34 PM
2

You can certainly lack empathy as much as you want. At least you understand that you are biased and hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 04:19 PM
2

And it's to the detriment of women who are the incessant target. It sounds like you're half way there to understanding that, but lack the empathy for women to admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:52 PM
5

Is it such an alien concept to grasp that women are the ones who are constantly pursued because of the mens drive? And that basically all conflict in this stage comes from that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:28 AM
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*When it's coming from entitled pricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:22 AM
2

It's the biggest enemy of women too
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 11:41 PM
6

It's not ok for anyone. Its toxic af
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:02 AM
2

I got a chuckle out of that. But to be fair "I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle." Is a much different list than what OP is calling his 'worst'
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:52 AM
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My point is that his point is detached from reality. If you are that insecure about women then leave them alone rather than treat them like shit to satisfy your 'general rule'. What is there to elaborate on? You JUST SAID women are after their own benefit first, under a comment from a man saying he has to show no validation or support and be a burden to be sure she is safe to be with? Do you not see the hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:46 AM
1

Would you like to make a point or just sharing a fun fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:58 AM
3

Do you mean "If you can't handle me at my worst, you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 12:25 AM
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I'm judging your idea because your idea is basically "when I abuse her by being a burden and emotionally neglecting her, and she just takes it" You're not identifying a safe person. You are identifying a floor mat, with the disturbing implications that that is what makes a woman safe and good. I'm expanding on that by pointing out to red pillers that what they judge harshly in a woman is being presented here in a man. As a side note, you sound real hurt on a personal level. I hope you're taking …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 12:18 AM
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Your answer is really " When I'm shitty, valueless, do not support or validate her at all, and she continues to put me first anyways"? This is so disconnected from reality, and you sound exactly like The nightmare that red pill men say all women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:54 PM
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Agreed to disagree then. One has agency
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:16 AM
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I knew that I'd eventually see a red-piller advocating for a war so devastating that it sends women back to the dark ages. Real sane take
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:14 AM
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I do agree, but its a matter of degree, would you rather be an ape or a sex object?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:56 AM
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Red pill =/= advocacy for men. It's a dating strategy that largely dehumanizes women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:43 AM
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Lol, you're making an ass of yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:28 AM
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You took a lot of words to call guys naturally insecure, egotistical, and self-obsessed. And yet you still managed to do the ladies worse and call all sexually active women dirty slutty cum rags. Big fucking Yikes. I really hope you're not an actual therapist
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:42 PM
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Lol got em with that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 03:49 PM
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I was talking about your disdain there friend. You're clearly very biased against women because of some bad actors you've experienced. I was trying to point out to you that even though I had a similar experience, I didn't let It stop me from developing healthy platonic relationships with men I'm just hoping that one day you'll get over this and become a happier, healthier person. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:57 AM
2

Yeah, you have to watch your biases, It takes actual reflection and effort. Give it a go
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:32 AM
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I have to say that I very much felt that way as a teenager with guys who would befriend me just to try and get with me and then disappear the second I made it clear I wasn't interested. It's real easy to disdain a group of people when it's only the bad actors who have ever reached out to you College has been a much better experience, befriending guys over common interests and genuine care for each other. I hope you get some experiences like that where you're valued for who you are and taken adva…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 11:35 PM
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Women expecting and demanding favors are not your friend, and they're not trying to be your friend, are you a teenager?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:28 PM
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It's hilarious these guys are losing their minds over this. They can't comprehend that their incessant sex drives are exhausting and unwelcome. Making friends with a woman is generally going to be a supportive selfless engagement and there is no obstacle to it. Making friends with a man is not guaranteed to be a relaxing experience and when it happens naturally, great! No problem! But when the energy drain and awkwardness start creeping in the desire to put effort in dissipate. Go figure
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:53 PM
4

You have never been in a long term relationship, have you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:39 PM
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Sounds like someone's mad they can't pull a 3/10 You're not entitled to a woman even if you think she's ugly, clearly you're plenty ugly on the inside to not deserve a 1/10
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:24 PM
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No, men complain AD NAUSEUM about women not choosing them to use for sex but a different guy. They are so entitled and angry it breaks their minds that the hottest guys on tinder get used as communal peen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:57 AM
4

Clearly
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:31 PM
5

You are delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 10:20 PM
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Jobs are not as elective as relationships are. Relationships are not comparable to money as all money is the same and not all relationships are the same Maybe this would be easier to understand if you didn't reduce humans to a scale from 1 to 10
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 10:07 PM
9

And yet you're not complaining about female trash bags getting laid too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 10:06 PM
10

There is no accounting for taste lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:51 PM
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It's necessarily the case that she wasn't attracted enough That's the whole point. People get to choose who they engage sexually with and it's not delusional to say no to somebody you don't want to be sexually involved with
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:51 PM
3

This is a refreshingly sane post. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:47 PM
1

This is a refreshingly sane post. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:42 PM
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It's really not, It's dealing with someone who has control over their own sex drive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:38 PM
18

Sure, attraction is a spectrum
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:37 PM
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This attitude cracks me up, You shoot what you think is below your league and are shocked when you aren't good enough. It's not delusional to reject somebody you're not attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:37 PM
1

'don't orbit' is probably more succinct. If you're only there for the chance for sex then you're a shitty friend and probably a bad person
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:35 PM
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Lol, gotta love blatant woman-hating. Enjoy believing everything a penis-haver says
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:09 PM
1

Then you shouldn't believe op either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 05:39 PM
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So do you believe me or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:30 PM
1

This should be the top comment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 10:46 PM
2

If you truly believe that women don't care about a man's personality then you already don't see us as equal humans and should probably be alone or be with a man
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:28 PM
1

Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:42 PM
2

Would you believe me if I told you I've smashed dozens of women who are all 8+?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:55 PM
2

Your comment history tells a different and bitter stroy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:42 AM
2

Bears mostly just want to be left alone. Like women. No wonder we both avoid you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:06 AM
2

Yeah a sense of dread is reported often. Check out WILD's, Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming. It's got sleep paralysis, hallucinations, vague dread, and something called the Old Hag, it's crazy, but harmless
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:52 AM
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If you can only enjoy being with women who are with you out of financial desperation that says a lot more about you than it does about women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:35 AM
2

It's definitely unsettling but worth the effort, with enough exposure you get really good in waking life at recognizing real 'threats' and baseless fears that your brain comes up with
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:22 AM
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Social media is not reality is my point. Well-adjusted is relevant here because people who aren't well-adjusted perceive way more toxicity than there really is. I think generally people are much happier irl than on social media
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:20 AM
2

That's bizarre. I can see why you're asking something that seems so ridiculous then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:16 AM
1

You should edit your comments to add to them instead of posting multiple replies. It streamlines threads and makes conversations much easier to follow
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:00 AM
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Are these men and women you know in real life, hating the other gender and being forced to share space? Can you tell the difference between venting about a relationship squabble and misandry/misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:58 AM
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I think most happy well adjusted people single and looking or in relationships are probably not getting on ppd to rage about gender politics though. You will only see discontents and shit stirrers spending their time here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:57 AM
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Gardening, cooking, fishing, car camping, sewing, embroidery, drawing, painting, violin, lucid dreaming, sci fi, zombies, videogames, boardgames, RPGs, mythology, occultism, candles, cats, and pins! I'm an expert in nothing, get most equipment thrifted or hand-me down, and love every second of my hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:53 AM
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Where do you live that men and women are so hostile?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:29 AM
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Oooh so you just see women as inherently inferior. Got it. Good luck with that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:20 AM
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Lol, I'm not arguing with someone who thinks some people don't deserve a vote in their own democracy There are thousands of Americans over the age of 100 and the majority of them are women. I didn't bother looking up the exact census because it only takes two for my statement to be factual. And you don't deserve that much effort
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:10 AM
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Most men? You mean that maybe equality was good for everyone? I agree You'll find examples of men and women supporting and opposing equality and exclusivity wherever you look and a lot of it exists to drive confrontation and engagement, don't fall for it. Men need shelters, women need shelters, domestic abuse is unacceptable wherever it comes from. Do you want equality or superiority?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:59 AM
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There are women who remember a time when they didn't have the right to vote. Do you really think that males have no space just because you don't have ALL THE SPACE?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:42 AM
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Sure, that's just irrelevant to this post
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:35 AM
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Reddit is a poor indicator of the real world and how the genders are getting along. I don't like to say 'touch grass' often, but in this instance I think it holds some wisdom. Get outside and observe the world mostly it's okay out here :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:18 AM
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Don't negotiate with toddlers, just give them a blankie and a quiet place to nap
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 01:56 PM
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Lol this guy really went out of his way just to say "girls are dumb and ugly!!" Some people really never grew out of the playground phase
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:36 AM
2

Hot, throw in some negging and we can have a date tonight
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:06 PM
3

Oh good. Then you know where to go hit on the women that would actually take you. Have their own line !
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 10:22 PM
1

Then I don't understand the metaphor in that context
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:44 PM
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I think the metaphor falls apart at that level, every flip of the coin is a new chance but it's not the quarters fault or the universes job to be fair to you statistically. I'm not as cold as the universe, I empathize with bad luck, I just want blame to go where it's deserved
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:31 PM
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You're the one being a dishonest bullshitter, like you cannot grasp that context matters so long as it's women talking? Your boyfriend squeezing your ass after a good date is not assault and you know it. You know that if she told him to stop and he did it anyway that that would be assault. You know that women are individuals and have different opinions but it's much more convenient to throw a fit and claim a conspiracy while being dishonest with yourself that it's men as well as women having the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:00 PM
2

Sounds gross. I'm sorry you're experiencing that, doesn't sound normal at all
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:53 PM
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But if they understand that then they can't whine about their sexuality being demonized
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:42 PM
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It would be ridiculous to feel slighted by the quarter. It's a quarter. It acted like a quarter. You are the one who bet the money and betting implies the chance to lose. It's sure surprising but why in the world would you be offended by physics?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:29 PM
3

So try not to apply that to a date you are getting to know
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:23 PM
2

It's extremely varied, and with so much individuality and personal ideology its pretty impossible to paint everyone in the same brush stroke. People take their cultural subset online and don't see how everyone else doesn't see the same world they see outside, and someone in the south asking dating advice and getting two very different answers from a California city boy and Montana cowboy is going to end up being wild lol Idk how to fix it though, besides just communicating well with the physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:22 PM
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Idk what booktok is but cnc is not something a healthy person escalates to on the second date
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:14 PM
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It's more about the fact that they had a good date, she was enthusiastically engaged with kissing him, and he escalated in an expectable way. Maybe she would have put the brakes on then if she didn't like it, but he still wouldn't have been 'bad' for doing it unless he ignored her refusal
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:10 PM
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It proves that your extreme generalizations are not universal. And I'm sorry but imagining this world you described is literally apocalyptic. Maybe one day in the wasteland dangerous men who will protect me from cannibals will be the most practical choice, but for now I have the luxury of sharing interests and taking care of one another
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:09 PM
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I'm attracted to goofballs with hearts of gold that care deeply about my comfort and happiness. You sound like a nature documentary about chimps
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:01 PM
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I would just add that a 'bad boy' is not going to be wanted in the long term if he's not a good man. Some guys are fine with that I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:53 PM
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What's hilarious is that red pillers would take this as evidence that women secretly want to be treated badly. And the real reaction here is just 'yeah, things went well and he had the green light and made a move and made her feel sexy, there wasn't anything 'bad boy' about this' I wish the difference was easier for some people to grasp
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:49 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:20 AM
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I'm playing devil's advocate because I'm trying to help you understand the meaning of 'offended'
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:13 AM
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So you understand the amusement park example but cannot apply that to the masterbation scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:54 AM
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So you do understand my first question, of feeling left out of your partner's pleasure. And to add a level of complexity there's the possible feeling that your partner didn't really want to share this with you that much. Their urge was strong enough to take care of right now (and they did offer to do it with you) but they are unfazed by your refusal and they have a great time without you immediately. Now, I'm not saying that it's FAIR, but can you imagine that it's a little bruising to the ego? …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 01:29 AM
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I'm in a happy relationship, I feel very benefited, and I think he would say the same for himself as well. I don't understand how the majority of happy relationships are not a similar situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:22 PM
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Imagine that your friend asked you to go to an amusement park, but you've recently twisted your ankle. You don't want to hold everyone back and make them wait for you. So you decline and wish them a good time. They go and have a great time, and even though you know you made the right decision, you still regret that you couldn't go. Does this track emotionally to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:13 PM
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No, it is still based on your scenario, there is just more complexity in human emotion, and if you cannot understand that I really don't have the energy to teach you from scratch. On a simpler level, do you understand the emotion regret?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:27 PM
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Agreed on both points
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:59 PM
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So....what's your answer to the questions? Are you incapable of empathizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:56 PM
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In a healthy relationship it doesn't. There's nothing wrong in this reaction on either side. I would call it dysfunctional if every encounter followed this path, if either side is playing games, or resentment is building, but that's way outside the scope of this question. All I'm saying is that the refuser getting their own feelings hurt in this example isn't some great mystery. I have no idea why OP is so mystified.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:55 PM
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Not a single person has been able to answer where offended came from Did you read the other half of my response?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:51 PM
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No, not taking no for an answer, that's never ok. But It's also not rapey to seduce your partner more than a 'hey wanna bang?' And no, where did I say they had a right to act on that disappointment?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:47 PM
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Sounds like you need a prostitute not a wife
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:46 PM
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It sounds like OPs partner got offended and they are failing to empathize at all
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:22 PM
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Your entire post seems like a bait to argue with people who would take offense to this. I can't imagine any other reason to write it. It would be hypocritical to feel offended but feelings aren't logical they just are. Can you not imagine feeling left out? Or equated to a masturbation tool, despite the fact you put yourself in that position with your rejection? Can you imagine feeling a little insecure because your partner was horny enough to masturbate right now but was uninterested in tempting…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 04:17 PM
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I thought it was obvious that offence was a probable reaction. What game are you playing?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 03:08 PM
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They likely have those desires based on their own traumas and that's not something for armchair psychologistS and shallow relationships to address. There is more danger in encouraging that behavior through normalization than by existing social norms. Having fantasies of a taboo nature is not something to be proud of, or to feel ok exploring. Shame has very few helpful uses in society but this is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 03:05 PM
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It sounds like two separate posts going on here. 1. You want a Dommy mommy and your frustrated women aren't comfortable discussing that early on in dating. And 2. You think that taboo kinks should be openly accepted and encouraged. You can find that in kink circles but you'll probably be charged for it. It's just how it works when you're seeking sexual gratification first and foremost. No. That stuff should not be normalized and celebrated, mentally healthy sex should be the goal. Sex communicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 01:04 AM
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Damn. I might have to clip this second point and use it myself on some of the guys here who get nasty at the drop of a pin.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 12:38 AM
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Clearly somebody really hurt you, it wasn't me, and it wasn't all women. I hope you find some peace
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 03:08 AM
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You seem disturbed
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 03:02 AM
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You're first three paragraphs are saying that women and men are in the same boat and even their arguments come down to agreements. Then you bash women for eight paragraphs. Then in the top comment you say you just want to understand women. Lol. Good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:51 AM
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I have seen this time and time again with other guys girlfriends and have even seen this happen to me right in front of me with a girl I was dating. And now we know why OP is ranting
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:44 AM
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