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Kinda. I have a drone I Macgyver’d to hold a glass bottle filled with gas. I think I’ll kamikaze that bitch with a flare attached into any small vessel shadowing me. We mostly sail to BVI or USVI anyway or stick around to the Chesapeake Bay so not so concerned but they still exist... Honestly more afraid of jet skis than pirates. But pirates will get you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 06:47 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/m0c28egqc2hd1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4c5a696b2d4ed33e81f4620b8ae841c2594b331 Getting ready for our summer sail. Everything looks good. New sails, engine is rebuilt and works great and we are fully provisioned!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 03:41 PM
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I don't know about "deceptive." Because they kind of HAVE to wear it. If I put a gun to your head and made you do a magic trick, the act would still be deceptive even if you were forced to do it. Deception does not have to be some morally reprehensible act. Sounds like you are stuck in a moral block where "deceptive" always has to equal some unjustified unethical act. We clap for magicians who deceive us. Same with actors and actresses who play a role really well. It's entertaining. So are human…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 02:03 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZbvfyfp-o I see fat girls like John Cena does. I'll have fun and it can be a really enjoyable time but our lifestyles don't match so it doesn't really extend beyond that. It of course depends on how fat, really. There is a limit, but sex can be many things. Fun, funny, intimate, serious, unserious, or even bad. Like a game of golf, it doesn't always have to be a PGA tour win to be enjoyable (sex at the highest level with a 10). This is real sexual liberation whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:36 PM
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agree to disagree What are we disagreeing on? You are a communist (or capitalist) if you believe in those principles and your actions and intent are consistent with the definition of that philosophy. And in the case of governments you are capitalist or communist if your reforms and party platform are consistent and align with the philosophy. You can be a king and be a capitalist just like you can be a king and be a communist. But the kings you speak of did not believe in free market reforms, nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:41 PM
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Yes, M-Ls a single party authoritarians until communism is fully achieved when they believed no person would logically oppose. wasn't going by the Marxist work either. We are talking about being communist, not Marxist, which is merely one branch of Marxism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 08:11 PM
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He didn't believe in having no states that seems for sure. What makes you think this? Like I said he is a communist by my definition I am going by yours book definition Again... The King of France was not a capitalist because he did not believe in a free market and did not implement free market reforms. It's the same standard I am using to call the USSR communist. You are missing the definition. It's not about end-game. Political scientists consider intent and belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 08:00 PM
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Yep USSR wasnt communist because they didn't believe in having no states What makes you think that Lenin did not believe in communism? All his writing leads me to believe he did. Which is why historians and political scientists consider him a communist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:56 PM
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And your definition seems very double standardy to me. I made a perfect analogy to prove to you it's not. If the King of France (or communist russia) instituted free market reforms (or socialist reforms) and attempted to bring about liberal capitalism (or communism), I would consider him a capitalist (or communist). But he didn't and therefore wasn't. But in the case of the USSR, he did and therefore is The King of France was not a capitalist because he did not believe in free market reforms and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:53 PM
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I see your point, it's just ridiculous and no other historian agrees with you. Your idea that a country is not "communist" until all of Marx's end goals are met is an impossibly high bar that historians just do not follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:38 PM
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But they didn't though. They did. It's pretty well-established that Lenin was a Marxist. Just because social classes still existed doesn't mean socialist reforms were not attempted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:35 PM
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Yep but USSR didn't achieve all of the communist key things or even most of it, so not communism if going by the books, just a precursor to communism. Again.... Communist nations are not defined if they actually achieved communism per marx. Again, we do not call the USSR communist because they lived in a communist state. We call them communist because the ruling party believed in communist principles and implemented sociaist reforms consistent with Marxism towards achieving a communist society
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:32 PM
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Bro if you are going by the book definition and then do so for both capitalism and communism. I am lol.... Again, we do not call the USSR communist because they lived in a communist state. We call them communist because the ruling party believed in communist principles and implemented sociaist reforms consistent with Marxism in achieving a communist society
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:17 PM
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I was saying the communist part in power was not communist at all if we go by bookism definitions because communism entails no state, no money, no social class. bro. Think for yourself for a just a moment. You don't have to live in a stateless society to be a communist. That is a ridiculous standard LMAO You just need to believe in creating a communist society. Again.. USSR: Communist because the ruling party believed in communist principles and implemented sociaist reforms consistent with Marxi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:05 PM
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Bruh, no I am not lol I am giving you the philosophical theories of each economic system. The USSR actually believed in the philosophies of communist principles. Kings and Queens and slavers do not believe in the philosophical principles of free markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:48 PM
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So ultimately those systems you mentioned aren't communistic cause the state, money, and social classes still existed. You are no true scotsmanning lol that's not how that works. The country is "communist" because they are in control of a country that they are transforming from a imperialism in the case of the USSR to communism through socialist reforms. The country is not "communist" because it has actually achieved communism lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:42 PM
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There's plenty of c0pe and seethe as to why that is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:39 PM
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Yeah they are being denounced by dems for sure and that's a good thing. The largest socialist party in America losing moral authority is a good thing. Doesn't really matter if you don't know anyone who is a card carrying member. The damage is done to the largest socialist org in america.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:26 PM
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And look at just like I said it's mostly been used by Bolsheviks, Stalinists, Maoists. Because it was written about by Marx lol You keep switching rape and torture. I mean to keep it broad, apologies for getting specific to particular terror acts. pretty much all of colonialism is driven by forces of capitalism "Capitalism" was not invented nor discussed in the colonial era. In fact, the King of England or France owning entire nations where nobody but the King has property rights, is not "capita…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:22 PM
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I think that's fair but I still consider them MLs because they are effectively single party authoritarian socialists. I think it's splitting hairs on what "new ideas" they work into the framework when the foundation is so largely the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:59 PM
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Revolutions will be bloody, are you against all revolutions? "Revolutionary terror" per Marx is different than "revolution." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_terror Maybe you should read it again? And like I said capitalism has tortured and killed to spread their political system as well. Not sure what you mean by this and it's irrelevant anyway as I see no capitalists justifying the rape of anti-capitalists so the analogy is moot. Marxism has the problem of justifying terror. There i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:58 PM
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The DSA (largest socialist party in America) did not denounce Hamas. In fact, the DSA are being denounced by US congressional dems for promoting a Hamas rally: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/aoc-pro-palestine-nyc-rally-00120684 The New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America is facing a political firestorm after the organization promoted a pro-Palestine rally in the wake of Hamas militants’ attacks on Israeli communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:49 PM
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Its pretty damn rare to meet an actual M-Ler on reddit. Most (all) tankies are MLs. And it's pretty common to see them actually. MLs certainly do believe in revolutionary terror. Not sure what you personally think Marx meant by "revolutionary terror" but Marx was at least smart enough to understand that a very flawed underclass would engage in political violence in a revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:46 PM
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Marx proposed was much closer to anarcho-communism. Not sure what you are trying to say. Marx was pretty clear in that revolutionary terror was justified, even necessary and the torture of the ruling class was a perfectly acceptable means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:43 PM
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capitalism had done so as well. It Liberalism or "capitalism?" Who? Most people who support liberalism are not like that lol...liberalism is not a political ideology that justifies rape to achieve their goals. Your comment does not even make sense. Maybe imperialism or colonialism or mercantilism but not liberal capitalism aka "capitalism" a la adam smith.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:30 PM
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At least they are intellectually consistent. Most are marxist-leninists who have no issue using torture and rape as means to socialist ends. Marx does not believe that political violence and torture are immoral or moral. Marx ultimately values the social and political systems he proposed. He doesn't value the individual or their rights and if those political systems are achieved through violence then it is good. If not, then it is bad. It's ultimately just funny seeing feminist subs justify rape…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:04 PM
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Leftist feminist subs are wild right now. Raping and torturing Jewish women is justified but don't you dare date a girl a few years younger than yourself! lmao shit is fucking wild to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:56 PM
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Yeah but nobody is denying that happens? I am telling you about ME lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:37 AM
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What makes you think I am incapable of being attracted to a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:34 PM
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You are just playing semantics. I am attracted to them. 'I am attracted to this woman I am dating but I learned she is a prostitute on the side.' In such a scenario, I am still attracted to this person. The conflict arises because I am attracted to her and yet we are seemingly incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:16 PM
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What? I am attracted to many prostitutes or maybe women who only speak Russian or another foreign language? There are many reasons I would not date someone I am attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:14 PM
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Read the entire comment next time I did this probably unfairly to some girls in HS. Would start dating them and almost immediately broke up with them. It's not that I lose attraction to them but that I preferred the initial dating pursuit more enjoyable than actually dating and the obligations that came with that. I also cared too much about what other people thought. So there were many instances where this happened and it had nothin to do with attraction levels. They were all pretty good lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:10 PM
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I think people, not just men, get an ego boost from gaining the favor of someone taken or not immediately interested or playing hard to get or in some way on the fence... and then reciprocating ruins that high you get from the chase. That does not prove "Men say they want a nice, sweet, loyal girl. " is wrong.... it merely can prove that people can be a little egotistical, especially at bars and clubs. this man loses at least a percentage of his attraction to her. I did this probably unfairly to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:01 PM
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Probably act like how women date today. Fuck around with hot unstable relationships until I adjusted my standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:23 PM
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I think any kind of combat sport helps in addition to exercise too. Wrestling, BJJ, or the like. Young boys should know how to use their body and experience losing a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:47 AM
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Lol we are talking about dates and sex due to the hard work. And yes that men congratulate you for accomplishing. Everyone’s fitness goals are different. Some may to be compete and you’ll receive congratulations for winning. Others may be to slay women and you’ll be congratulated for winning there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 01:24 AM
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No lol they’ll congratulate you specifically for getting dates. Stop it Nemo. You don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:48 AM
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Go to a gym as a fat guy and tell a trainer you want to get lean to become attractive. It literally happens all the time. And then all the men will absolutely congratulate you when you accomplish this feat and start slaying women. You act like you know these things Nemo but you don’t. This is very common in fitness culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:39 AM
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To get lean what does that have to do with women? Is this what your argument has boiled down to? Getting ripped and lean has nothing to do with getting women? lol You need to be around more locker rooms and gym culture to make the assertion that men who try harder and achieve do not get more credit. They absolutely do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:18 PM
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The pink tax .... We do not find evidence of a systematic pink tax: women's products are more expensive in some categories (e.g., deodorant) but less expensive in others (e.g., razors). https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_events/1588356/mosharybhatiatuchman_updated2.pdf The FTC researched this and found no evidence. Only women could demand pink razors with a fragrance and then complain that it costs more than plain male razors lol Like yeah, no shit it does haha and then you go a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:17 PM
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Do men give more credit to promiscuous men who tried harder? No. They don’t care. Yes they absolutely do. Gym culture regularly gives credit to men who have worked harder to get lean.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:03 PM
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They say that’s why but it’s a dishonest post hoc rationalization. It doesn't really matter what you think though? Like it's what they are claiming and what they are doing here. Humans in general praise people for overcoming challenges. That's not going to magically disappear for sex. Also men actively shame women for being slutty let’s not play pretend here. It’s not just indifference when women do it. I am talking about your ideal world where women don't get shamed. Humans will still praise ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:29 PM
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Men aren’t praised for being promiscuous because it’s challenging. Men here are doing exactly that? Also doing something easy isn’t necessarily shameful so it still doesn’t justify it. Again, mere indifference at the easy action vs praise at the challenging action is "shaming." There does not have to be explicit shaming for there to a social class difference as one group will be praised while the other will not be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:17 PM
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Sure it’s feasible. I'm not sure you understand. Sex would be better we were all held to the same standard in either direction. This would only make sense if humans held same amount of pride for doing something challenging vs doing something easy. I really don't think it's feasible for humans to treat all actions the same without regard for challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:09 PM
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To be fair also to them, I don't think they are unique in this tendency. I find a lot of blue pill or even left wing people have these sorts of opinions without thinking about the consequences of what is being spoken and without taking them to their logical conclusion. Much like Marxism and the idea that 'everyone should be valued equal' reminds me of your opinion that nobody should be valued differently based on sexuality - or in other words everyone should be valued the same - or not valued at…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:09 AM
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lmao no ... Even in Sweden people feel prideful if they take home someone hot (a value judgement) or shameful if they got too drunk and slept with someone gross (a value judgement). You can't really have sexual attraction towards sexual beings without there being value judgements on their sexuality. Or else you would just have sex with everyone and be indiscriminate. Humans and like most mammals make value judgements about sexuality because they are mammals and mammals are discriminatory about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:21 PM
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Same is true in reverse. Explain? Horseshit. You’re describing conservative values, not biology. I don't think it's conservative values that women feel vulnerable with sex or have a disgust reaction to the idea of sex with strangers or gross men. It's a pretty intimate and vulnerable act. I really don't think it's possible to get all women to be free use and find no inherent intimacy and value judgements surrounding the act. Yeah, because it would be bad, unsatisfying sex. I mean yeah, that's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:16 PM
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It just has no bearing on their value or merit as a person. Not really when it comes to sex because having women attracted to you implies traits that you are socially attractive. And as humans are social like other primates, this gives merit to you as a person. To argue otherwise, you would have to state that people do not choose partners based on value or merit or that being socially accepted is not valuable to humans. Obviously, not all sex is valued and treated the same though. The difference…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:15 PM
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So now the strategy average men used to employ, push pull, not too much texting and not too much availability no longer works. Women are not drawn by it anymore. It's less about women being drawn to being ignored itself and more about showing that you are a busy man with things to do outside of chasing her. "I have a cruiser sailing class in Annapolis that weekend" and not texting too much after that or simply posting such adventures on your insta is more attractive than texting her all weekend …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:45 PM
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There are a ton of men like your bro indeed. It comes down to communication and what the standard of living wants to be for the couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:00 PM
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It’s quite clear that men want their cake and eat it too, What do you think this means and how does it relate to your OP? Men want to retain possession of women and eat them? How is "eating" analogous to anything you wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:04 PM
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I’ve changed my mind on this too. The partner making significantly more typically wants a higher standard of living that comes with that salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:48 AM
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Evidence for the latter is how they try to push women into STEM The "pushers" frame their efforts by not seeing math as "masculine" even though you could strongly argue it is. If you want to talk about the modern workforce I think my point is stronger that we have gone to many lengths to promote and include feminine strengths. As you frame it, I think it's a much stronger argument for the work life but when it comes to pop culture, what you wrote does not attempt to argue that we have discarded …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:18 AM
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For sure, like I said you might have a different experience in more rural areas and lots of those cities require blue collar labor but a majority our work force is classified as professionals. Anyway, this is pretty tangential to the primary point of mainstream culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:07 AM
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It is estimated that 83% of the U.S. population lives in urban areas, up from 64% in 1950.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 05:42 PM
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I disagree that we discard femininity in "modern culture" when "pop culture" is basically hyperbolic femininity. Mainstream culture IS femininity...so I don't even know how would we even "discard" it. To claim that mainstream pop culture trashes femininity? I feel like we live on different planets than anyone who claims this. It seems like a willful ignorance or something someone would only say if they were deeply insecure about femininity, had an inferiority complex and injected themselves with…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:45 PM
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Depends on what your morals and goals are. Some women are tradcons who find that life immoral according to their religion. Some men would find that life unfulfilling. Some men who own a yacht in Miami would may enjoy such a lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 02:52 PM
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a false allegation is nowhere near on the same level as being attacked or raped. That's a matter of opinion though. I know men who were taken advantage of as minors by older women, and while some have lasting issues, many don't. A false accusations, meanwhile, may have a much more lasting negative impact on their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 02:31 PM
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Depends on how she does it I think. Does she resent her relegation to a more realistic league or does she have some kind of come to jesus moment and/or naturally mature out of her unrealistic standards? I dated a girl in high school who legit thought she would marry the lead singer of fall out boy. She seems happily married now despite lowering her standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:53 PM
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My wife and I both work in lucrative fields. Cleaning is never an issue because we hire cleaners. Who cares about cleaning lol If you make good money, your time becomes extremely valuable. Why would you ever spend your weekend deep cleaning your home when you can fly to Aspen or the Keys? Makes no sense to sacrifice potential quality of life by scrubbing your shower tiles on a Saturday.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:49 PM
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Firstly, you’re on a debate sub lol you’re going to find people with varying opinions. Secondly, RP acknowledges that AFBB is the most logical course of action. It makes no moral argument against it. Some manosphere participants like tradcons and incels do though, however. And for the record I disagree with anyone who says it's not "fine." And no one in this comment chain has made that claim so I don't even know who you are talking to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:18 AM
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Where did he say that it is "not fine" for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 06:27 PM
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To be a "hypocrite", he would have to accuse her of being immoral as if something is wrong with AFBB....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 05:05 PM
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The way these women frame the 2-8% stat is so incredibly elementary. The irony still is that media accusations (of the Brand sort) being discussed above are not even included in the stats cited above. The 2-8% stat could not realistically count all the false media accusations. I could create a twitter bot and accuse everyone in the world of rape and easily make that 2-8% number 99.9%. Jokes aside, media accusations do matter and using a stat that excludes media accusations when speaking about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 04:39 PM
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Between 2-8% of rape accusations are false This is not true and does not account for social media, news, and college accusations or any non-criminal accusations like the one being discussed here. In fact, it's probably impossible to quantify how many false accusations there are because social media. You could write a twitter bot that accuses every human on earth of rape and easily make 99.99% of accusations false.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 04:12 PM
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It’s not like I’m crying over it but I sympathize with people who make a bad decision. The world was her oyster and she decided to get stuffed and loaded up with cum by a pop star instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:17 PM
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Idk why you keep saying this. It’s not uncommon at all for doctors to marry nurses. Sure, it’s not the majority of cases, but you are waaaaaay too far in the other direction with claiming it virtually does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:28 PM
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Nobody is saying these men marry no-job women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:42 PM
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Nobody is saying those two professions are comparable. But either one marrying a surgeon is both hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:41 PM
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My god you are silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:31 PM
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A man who is a top surgeon will NEVER marry a barista. Male surgeons marry nurses all the time tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:12 PM
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You can't name a single worse actor with a longer career? She could've been a standard working actor for sure if she segued her fame directly after GOT.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:09 PM
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That all being said, I think she could have a relatively successful acting career. She is hot enough and plenty of even worse and uglier actors have had wildly successful careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:58 PM
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Whether or not there is evidence for this is entirely besides the point. That is how she perceived herself and her opportunity which is all that really matters to breed resentment and ultimately divorce. You are essentially calling her delusional in thinking she could be some sex appeal actress but her delusions of her career potential are entirely beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:44 PM
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Her career prospects aren't what they used to be because she has very little acting talent. True but she is X years older now. She had sex appeal, for better or worse, fresh off the set and that is worth something or was worth something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:27 PM
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From my limited understanding given to me by my SO, she regrets marrying young, having kids and missing out on career opportunity. Hollywood is extremely network-centric. You basically have to go out during the week and weekends whenever you are not auditioning or working on a project and network with industry people. It's essentially not an option to skip this and having kids really limits this which is why famous actors hire full time nannies. I could see why a young actress coming off a hugel…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:21 PM
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You can accept pretty bottom of the barrel women or become a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:44 PM
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Retirees will have to move to indemand areas if they want medical care. I mean it already has happened and is continuing to happen. You can buy a cheap house in Detroit right now. I'm assuming you mean certain housing markets and prices though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:09 AM
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My point was raising taxes works. Works in doing what exactly? And our birth rates are falling because nobody can afford them under conservative policies. Yes, you're getting it!! What conservative policies enacted by what conservative politicians are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:20 AM
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Short term gain with devastating long term consequences What does this mean? LOL The tech sector is a massive industry. It's not little lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:17 AM
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You have no idea what you are discussing. So again, why is, in your opinion, the h1b visa program for short term gain?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:14 AM
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That was literally to my response stating taxation works. My response said it doesn't work for plugging the budget gap, not that I am against taxes. Again, I explained exactly why our economy is starting to decline and fertility rates are falling and supplied sources. Your economy will fall because of your fertility rates soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:12 AM
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Again, whose doing the mass layoffs currently? Who do you think Google hires out of college?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:12 AM
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I mean you can google it. These are mostly for recent grads and many are from ivy leagues. For sure, America has a very divided nation and too wide income disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:57 PM
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"Nobody who studies this stuff believes you can lol again, left wing economists admit that people’s incomes will have to decline." Correct. That is not arguing against taxation lmao Cue another American knowing shit about another international government. I actually sourced a Canadian economist on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:55 PM
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From this demo? Mostly ivy league American universities lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:37 PM
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Nope, that was your key argument against increasing taxation, hun. Silly silly goose! Nobody was arguing against taxation! lol quote me where I argued against any taxation. Again, were going more conservative with our policies. I doubt you will honestly. You might get a populist wave against immigrants but you'll need them to plug your budget gap in welfare spending eventually. Canada has really tough choices ahead. I am excited to see how they handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:36 PM
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Yes, it would make sense that the highest skilled workers from around the world would get paid more than the pool of American workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:35 PM
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Do you even pay attention to global politics? The EU and Asia have been complaining for decades that America steals all the top talent via h1b visas lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:09 PM
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Oh silly bum, you forgot we don't spend money on Healthcare and pay relatively the same in taxes to get massive returns in public goods and services. Ask me how much it cost to give birth in Canada. You're the one who said that incomes had to increase, not me. So now you admit that incomes will decrease finally? lol And most economists will tell you that if you support the middle class economies bloom. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. more people immigrate to Canada than the USA in general Yes, C…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:05 PM
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You're subjecting them to the same economy as your regular workforce. Yeah, it matters lmao. No you are not lol the regular workforce does not have the qualifications of h1b visa holders. It's actually entirely different labor markets for them. There's crypto banks that are quietly shutting down as a consequence and its impacting the real estate market. Please, I hope they all go under lol Short term gain with devastating long term compatibility sequences consequences prioritized over long time,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:59 PM
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Not sure what you are trying to say here. The least educated Americans and Europeans have the most children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:55 PM
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Remember to include cost of living standards, location and currency exchange rates! Bro that is the point! Income declines silly bear lol Your whole point was that income needs to increase! I am telling you that no left economist proposes this because it is impossible given the conditions. Incomes decline across the board and social welfare increases. We don't want more Americans destabilizing our economy anyways. More Canadians come to America than vis versa. We've been pro-immigration for lite…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:54 PM
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we need to force foreign workers to challenge housing and job insecurity? IDK if we are "forcing" them to do anything? It is an optional thing to apply for a visa. The fact remains that these people are highly in demand and the visa itself is also high in demand. Like, buddy, your arguing one niche industry It's primarily tech sure, but that is where the money is where the highest ROI is for companies who sponsor these visas. They are expensive and it's not like Apple is going to sponsor janitor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:52 PM
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LOL no. The laid off employees find jobs almost instantly. https://fortune.com/2023/05/26/90-of-laid-off-h1-b-visa-holders-were-able-to-find-new-work-against-all-odds-heres-what-the-data-tells-us-about-americas-complicated-relationship-with-foreign-born-talent/ There is still massive demand from highly educated foreigners for visas. You are coping.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:35 PM
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Bernie's suggestions are already in practice here. No they are not lol Canada is generally fucked though holy shit. I don't envy you. Your housing market and demo collapse will be monumental. Canada is in a similar situation. Canada's fertility rate currently falls short of the global population replacement level, which stands at 2.1 births per woman. Following a steadily declining trend that has continued since 2009, Canada's fertility rate hit a record low of 1.4 children per woman in 2020. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:31 PM
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With a low statutory limit of visa numbers available, demand for H-1B visa numbers has outstripped the supply in recent years, and the cap has been reached before the year ends. Again, there's less supply so the demand is greater. Thats not how visa demand works lmao Last year (FY2022) there were 483,927 applications for the 85,000 available visas. Demand for highly skilled workers is massive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:29 PM
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Lmao no. The supply is eaten up in 3 months lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:25 PM
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None of that disagrees with the fact that there is massive demand for h1B visas.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:08 PM
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Again anyone who studies this agrees that incomes will have to decline across the board. Idk why you think you are magically right about this when even Bernie disagrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:07 PM
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Probably not honestly, as people continue to move to high demand cities. You can get cheap real estate in many ghost cities today even.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:06 PM
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Its current governments too not just past governments. You are simply going to see massive taxes on single people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:05 PM
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The social services you want have to be paid for one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 08:29 PM
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LOL that is a cope . There is massive demand for H-1B visas
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 08:28 PM
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No. We do not accept enough visas for educated immigrants who want to come here. The mass migration has not even started.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 08:19 PM
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Nobody who studies this stuff believes you can lol again, left wing economists admit that people’s incomes will have to decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 08:16 PM
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We will see when we actually let in the amount of people who want to live here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 08:07 PM
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You can’t have it both ways lol you either have less income or more income.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 08:05 PM
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I don’t think so honestly. We do not really know. And we will continue to need more educated mass immigration not just uneducated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:54 PM
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Bruh you’re the one who said we need higher incomes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:49 PM
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We don’t already know how mass migrant migration will conclude lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:48 PM
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Yeah? And they pay it in less income that’s the point Bernie is making.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:48 PM
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To be more in line with Europe’s where high income and educated people less money than American counterparts. Look at the data. Europeans make significantly less money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:45 PM
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Okay still not last? We will see how Europe's mass migration experiment goes!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:40 PM
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In order to plug the gap? Yes, even Bernie admits that people will have less take home pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:38 PM
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What is my theory? lmao https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:35 PM
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Again, if you have more money to spend then you have more money for taxes which increases your earn able income by alleviating outside financial burdens. Ie, crime, medical treatment, education, etc. No lol Again... even Bernie realizes that everyone will have to be taxed more and our incomes will decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:34 PM
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You're making an uninhabitable country Who am I the king of Europe? I don't think Europe is creating some uninhabitable country at all. They know that taxes will have to increase decreasing incomes and they have to allow mass migration. That is not me lol I am not forcing these policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:32 PM
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Nazi Germany and USSR did it, and Germany is currently doing it. I don't agree with it either, but I think governments are still going to try it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:21 PM
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You don't want any tax increases whatsoever despite the fact you know you will personally benefit. Who said that? Quote me? merica did it and the boomers thrived. America literally destroyed the entire industrial world and the only manufacturing country left was America lol you can't really replicate this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:18 PM
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We really don't lol the opioid epidemic cannot be equated to immigrant visas that often require an education. They are so far removed and different lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:17 PM
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How much do increasing crime rates and a sick working population who can't access affordable Healthcare cost the taxpayer? Honestly we will see! I am excited to watch Europe's immigration experiment. It's honestly exciting for me to watch. Hopefully it plugs the gaps in their budget and allows them to continue their welfare states, but time will tell!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:14 PM
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Okay. Then don't go to work. Income is a scam. Why pay taxes at all? Clearly there's no benefit. Nobody is saying that lol If you don't want to pay taxes then go live in the woods and don't apeticipate in society. You are the one saying that incomes need to increase lol not me... In any left-wing political or economic solution, real incomes actually decrease. You can't simply tax the rich out of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:12 PM
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Okay, then make babies affordable. Again, the cost will be shifted to the taxpayer. It's going to generally wash. Even if you bring immigrants over they still have to pay the local cost of living here. They still need medical care. We will see how Europe manages down the line with their immigration experiment to fix the demo crisis there. Maybe it will work? Who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:09 PM
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Yes, but you also have more money in which to pay taxes. Real incomes decline. Having higher income means nothing if taxes are increased lol Again, the point is that you can't tax the rich out of this problem. Your "solutions" are not even proposed by anyone because anyone who studies this for more than 4 minutes understands the math. Everyone is going to have less income and more taxes like Bernie suggested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:07 PM
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Again, you don't want a boom of babies from everyone. We went over this already. Governments are not trying to have that. That is why governments are using tax credits, not cash payments.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:03 PM
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Bernie admits that we will all have to pay far more in taxes for these policies. IDK who you think you are arguing against, again lol incomes will have to decline substantially even according to bernie.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:02 PM
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Okay, point out where high, insustainable and undereducated fertility rates was linked to prosperous economies. This was never a claim of mine? Again, boomers will be dead before they benefit. Genx and millennial don't need a population boom and can't afford it. Again, you don't need a boom. You just need to avoid a collapse. Again, you can't have 99% of your population be retirees.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:00 PM
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All those countries are fucked too with stagnating economies and collapsing demographics. They are currently scrambling for immigrants to fix their budget holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:58 PM
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No, I'm saying through your own research that we shouldn't increase fertility because without educating the workforce and offering economic opportunities, you're tanking your economy. That's not what that research says at all lmao So why would you want to increase fertility knowing that will the eventual conclusion? It's not about an ever expanding pool of babies. You don't need an ever expanding workforce. It's about having a healthy pyramid that is not top heavy. Again, you can't have 99% of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:57 PM
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Buddy, we did it before and we can do it again. Did what before? We never had the size of our current welfare state. The math doesn't add up lol You can't tax your way out of this. It's fine tax them all 100%. You are still back at the original problem in literally 6 months down the road and you actually didn't solver anything. Just more feel good sensibility nonsense being proposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:55 PM
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My point was to argue against your points that income is not inversely correlated with fertility lol and patriarchy is somehow preventing women from birthing kids. The data literally suggests the exact opposite lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:52 PM
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Then let's tax the rich, provide more social programs and increase minimum wage. I agree. Even Bernie admits that quality of life and taxes will have to increase substantially in order to tackle this issue. It is not as simple as taxing the rich. As of November 2022, a combined value of 4.48 trillion U.S. dollars was held by billionaires living in the United States. Health spending in the U.S. increased by 2.7% in 2021 to $4.3 trillion Even if you taxed the rich 100%, you'd run out of money in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:50 PM
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It is. Every source your provided said that economies thrive under educated and socially supportive societies. Do you even read your own sources? No again, incomes are inversely correlated with fertility. It is proven in the links above lmao Why do you want that for your country? Stop arguing against someone else. LOL Nobody is arguing for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:48 PM
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Which, again, benefits the economy. So it's win-win. It is until your economy matures and develops and then is faced with a demo collapse. Lots of your points are valid and are true but it seems like you are talking to a different person lol Yeah, you know what happens when you pump up an undereducated, undersupported, and desperate low income population who need to work to survive and the cheapest option for self care is doctor prescribed opiods to ensure you can return to work as fast as possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:42 PM
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Again, what is the benefit of fertility in a population? For you just want more sex? It's just math. It's not the economy as much as it is quality of life in any economic system. Even if you had a commune with 100 people, there is only so much that can be done if 95 of those people are 92 years old. There is no economic system that can sustain the quality of life of a collapsing demographic pyramid. When conservatives fight against affordability and offering opportunities what do you think they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:36 PM
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Oh right, yeah, because educating your population means a better economy. Yes this is correct, and it also has the effect of dropping fertility as your economy grows into a developed one and people urbanize. Those are social programs. That would tie into my initial point. It'll help for those who already have kids but it's not going to do shit for family planning for the childless Correct, governments will continue to offer social programs that boost fertility of the middle class. And the will l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:33 PM
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Which we established in your studies is an indicator of a sub par economy. Again,is that a good thing? Again, we are speaking of fertility. You're right. Tell me the benefit of increasing a population nobody can afford knowing its going to tank your economy when you do? Again, like Obama - quality over quantity. That is why liberal governments all over the world are incentivizing educated tax payers to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:29 PM
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The prosperity came before the babies, hun. No it did not lol America is already hitting all the marks of a third world country as is. No it is not lol Do you think adding more starving children nobody can afford to raise while taking away affordable and accesisble medical care is a practical solution? No, again, the idea governments are implementing and continue to implement is to tax credits so that contributing adults of society have more kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:27 PM
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have a patriarchal society that shits on mothers The most patriarchal societies that shit on mothers the most have the highest birthrates. You are trying, again, to shoehorn your politics into fitting the narrative. The science tells a different story. The numbers tell a different story. You can't escape the math.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:25 PM
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Yes correct. Banning female education is a surefire way to boost fertility.... Not many babies were born during war time/famine/natural disasters/economic hardships throughout history for a reason. Again, the data suggests that this is short lived. This phenomenon is seen as a result of pregnancy postponement, especially of first births. However, this effect can be short-term and largely compensated for during later times of economic prosperity. Using economic shocks and war to suggest generally…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:23 PM
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You're saying it's good to have more kids Never said that? A demographic collapse is certainly bad, but just pumping out more kids can also be bad. This is why governments are offering child tax credits as incentives. This incentives the people who actually pay taxes and are therefore contributing members of society and are educated to have children. Obama knows.... it's about quality over quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:19 PM
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It literally just says there are pros and cons to increasing the fertility rates but overall it's a pro because more women and children are likely to survive with education and economic opportunities. Making it more efficient. Yes? Nobody is arguing to ban female education or income lol society is better when you boost the middle class regardless of gender. Yes? Obviously the middle class should be boosted. That however in itself will not increase fertility. There is literally no data to suggest…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:14 PM
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Okay? We are talking about fertility and the correlation between income and fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:13 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_and_fertility#:~:text=Across%20countries%2C%20there%20is%20a,to%20a%20variety%20of%20problems. Higher wages are, again, correlated to fewer kids, not more. It is proven that a strong negative correlation exists between household income and fertility. Fertility declines have been seen during economic recessions, such as the great depression. This phenomenon is seen as a result of pregnancy postponement, especially of first births. However, this effect can be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:08 PM
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I'm just pointing out that any time we see population booms throughout history it's do to many if not all of the following reasons: This is massive historical revisionism. The populations booms of Egypt and Iraq followed none of this. Increased education standards and social services are correlated with lower fertility, not higher. The poor, uneducated and unhealthy have the most children throughout the entire world. Researchers have observed women's access to education in order to determine whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:06 PM
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You're the one who said that nobody was making that money.... Idk what you are talking about and why are you are assuming what I believe in? And no unions are not socialist lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:02 PM
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People have been telling Japan to get their demographics under control for years warning that the future is dim with such demos. There is really only so much you can do if you have a country with 100 people and 90 of them are retirees. At a certain point, it's not some conspiracy, it's just math.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:21 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:47 PM
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You can't compare post WW2 societal cultural feelings to now. There is no going back to an era when the entire industrial world was destroyed except America. To recreate a baby boomer mindset and economy, you would literally have to carpet bomb the entire industrial world except America, because that is what literally created that mindset. Educated, wealthy women have fewer children. It's not that they can't afford childcare. If you look at which countries have high birthrates, there is no obvio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:46 PM
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We should treat mothers better and there will be more positive impacts on the population size. Again, there is NO data to suggest this. The countries increasing welfare for mothers are seeing further declines in the birthrate. There is literally no data to suggest higher welfare overrides the fact that educated and wealthy urban women have less children. People with post secondary educations are making the same as a mail carrier in the 1980's did. UPS drivers can make $170K. When you make kids a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:42 PM
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There is no maybe... it's either government pressure to get their demo collapse under control or just collapse silently and the CCP is not going silently into the night. People here act like this is some sort of silly red pill conspiracy, but governments are absolutely panicking and scrambling to address the issue before it's way too late. It's probably already too late for China, Russia and some European nations. Putin’s last gamble here is largely because he is the leader of a dying nation in …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:30 PM
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None of what you said makes sense when the poorest least educated and unhealthiest women tend to have the most children. The poorest and most unhealthy women still have the most babies. And the countries implementing the best healthcare and leave policies still see declining birth rates below replacement. The data is just not on your side about this. You are seeing the results of female education and moving into urban areas, despite more generous healthcare or parental leave policies. It’s just …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:17 PM
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If you live in a country with collapsing demographics, you will see massive declines in quality of life. Entire ghost cities. Massive austerity and cuts to welfare. Declining GDP. etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:13 PM
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Child tax credits have appeared to work in the US. China is going to have to try harder, and probably will. Soon they will make life basically unlivable if single and childless. That or accept African immigrants.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:58 PM
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Socialism is when the government provides subsidies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:56 PM
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Direct child subsidies incentivize unstable households. Instead, what you need to do is incentive stable households and children. So you extend tax credits to married couples with kids - that way it incentives people with income. You do this via tax credits. This is the demo you really need to target specifically because they are the most likely to contribute stable taxpaying offspring. Either make it so economically attractive to marry and have kids and a household via tax credits, or tax singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:51 PM
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Well firstly we are already starting with a better demographic pyramid. The US is simply not facing a cliff like China is. Secondly, we have attractive immigration prospects for low wage labor and for high wage educated labor. American can brain drain on the low and high end of labor demand basically in perpetuity. Countries like Egypt just cannot and will not. They will not have Africans take their high end jobs. Meanwhile, American corporations have no issue with hiring Indian CEOs. Thirdly, g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:17 AM
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Ah interesting didn’t know that. Yeah I explain further but everyone effectively has a childlessness tax considering child free people pay taxes which goes to things like local schools. It’s just not broken out in our tax code. But anyway, I suspect more nations will explicitly implement a bachelors tax for behavioral economic reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:01 AM
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I’m not disregarding suffering though. It’s just the fact of the matter that suffering people have more children. It oftentimes dampens that suffering, especially when you live a meager existence. Children in urban settings meanwhile are a liability and investment regardless. Yeah the socializing of cost will come more from the child-free in the future. Thankfully, America will largely avoid the worst of it but I doubt other governments will go quietly into the night. Putin’s last gamble here is…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:59 AM
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Nobody is saying they don’t suffer. So drop that line lol The only point I am making is that your prescriptions are not backed by any data. We should have healthcare and education regardless but a higher birth rate that does not make lol Countries will likely do a combination of taxes on unmarried and childless in addition to child tax credits. Like they have been doing for decades, but now ramped up a few notches. You are already paying an effective child-free tax. If you don’t have a kid, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:34 AM
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Again, even in first world countries, the data is weak. The poorest and most unhealthy women still have the most babies. And the countries implementing the best healthcare and leave policies still see declining birth rates below replacement. The data is just not on your side about this. You are seeing the results of female education and moving into urban areas more than any generous healthcare or parental leave policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:17 AM
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These policies that the USSR implemented was to boost the birth rate. Avoiding the tax becomes an incentive. Granted we already do this in the USA. Much of our taxes go to children in the form of schools etc.. so if you are child-free, you are already being taxed to care for other children. In addition, we offer child tax credits. So we already effectively do this. A tax on unmarried and child free adults though is more explicit and has more of a bite to it. Or at least that is what the USSR fou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:10 AM
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We really don’t know how rare they are though. It’s impossible to calculate. As metoo showed, social media and college accusations are very consequential and it is virtually impossible to gather that data. Any data set excludes social media accusations. Remember that Reddit trend accusing the ceo of rape to make a point? False accusations were the majority and common that week lol you could write a twitter bot to spam millions of accusations to random people a day and false accusations would bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:06 AM
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None of what you said makes sense when the poorest least educated and unhealthiest women tend to have the most children. Communist governments have taxed single and unmarried people to some success though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:01 AM
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The idea is to tax unmarried and child free adults. Not sure what the OP is talking about but the USSR did this for years with some success in increasing their birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:56 AM
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Do what the USSR did. Tax single adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:55 AM
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default to coping and uplifting which I don’t think is bad either. To be clear, I don't think this is necessarily bad or at least morally bad. Oftentimes, this is what the girl is actually seeking in friendships. Or at least I think it is. She doesn't really want to be told to take ozempic and hit the gym twice a day. I just think it's "dating advice" oftentimes obfuscated by these types of feel good mantra that make it no longer advice? Thinking as I type so forgive me lack of clarity, but this…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:14 PM
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Life is sexist then. There are also protections women use for one night stands too. Tell others where you are going and how long you'll be out. Always have an escape plan. etc... You would have a plan for safe guarding yourself if you traveled to Afghanistan or Detroit. It's really no different in my opinion. I don't think it means you are egregiously problematic or sexist. At a certain point, you have to not care about big-yikes-sweaty moralizing accusations and protect yourself regardless of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:08 PM
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That's fair, but the larger conversation is within the context of unhelpful dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:28 PM
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I've never seen bluepillers say their own advice doesn't work. Really depends on who you define as "BPers." There's this terminally alone girl in our friend group and the girls admittedly give her awful feel-good advice that they admit doesn't work. They will also admit the only real advice she needs is two-a-days and ozempic. The "advice" the girls are giving her is not really advice but simple empathy in her struggles. They are not really trying to fix her situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:19 PM
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Again, I have not seen data to suggest such. The countries with the worst and declining birthrates have the best healthcare and childcare policies and the birthrate just keeps getting worse. Birthrates are more inversely correlated to education. The poorest, least educated, and most unhealthy have the highest birthrates.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:30 PM
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Well bro, if you want more kids maybe you should incentivize people to have kids bro. Things like guaranteed parental leave, affordable childcare, universal healthcare, etc bro. But red pillers don't see very interested in voting in liberal politicians who would fight for these things bro. This doesn't work for increasing birth rates, or I haven't seen any data that suggests it does. The countries that implement these policies see no change in birthrates and only further declines.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:25 PM
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It actually does. Sex shaming was the primary form of birth control that parents used. Before the pill, it would be incredibly inconvenient for a farmer’s daughter or a factory workers daughter to be knocked up at 14. Birth outside of wedlock was also shamed into men, hence shotgun weddings. Men seem less bothered by social stigma though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:38 PM
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Yes, really. The % of young people who had sex in the past year is significantly below prior generations. You can't argue with the math.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:35 PM
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I've always said that women are far more likely to be pressured to be promiscuous than they are slut shamed. I do think, though, think that attitudes about sex are changing recently with the wave of abstinence we are witnessing from gen z. The height of slut culture and that type of feminism was 2007ish, grew, lived and died with Paris Hilton. Another thought I had recently was that some of the most popular songs of that time period 'Fergalicious' and 'Hollaback Girl' are about how they are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:52 PM
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I think you are overstating it. Boy band pretty boys were feminine. They were consistently made fun of by masculine men for being girly. Young women liked feminine men for a few generations. It is not new to gen z.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:44 PM
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Because that’s what everyone referred them to as in the 2000s 🤷‍♂️ you are just noticing the evolution of pretty boys perhaps but people called those boy band members pretty boys for as long as I can remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:35 PM
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We are just going to disagree lol the boy bands of the 90s were pretty boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:38 PM
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No.... those boy bands were pretty boys. The grunge scene was the bad boys. And all of the members wore makeup. Most stars do in shows and on TV. The weatherman on TV wears makeup lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:12 PM
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I'm not sure if those studies are actually replicable, but we will never know to what extent pumping women up with hormones has changed everything. Progesterone can worsen mood symptoms. Limited research suggests that compared with women who don’t use hormonal birth control, those who do are more likely report feeling depressed, anxious, and angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:45 PM
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Young women like pretty boys. Millennial women liked boy bands at one time. Women appreciate masculinity more with age, I have found. Confidence and strength can be intimidating and an appreciation of it comes with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:29 PM
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Depends on what position. A HOF kicker or a HOF QB? This is much different than a lineman or a linebacker. Either way, I wouldn't really take the word of someone who was a careerist on some future age. I know too many people who have continued past that age due to what their employer offered them when they tried to retire.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:51 PM
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Acting like all of the choices made above are made to sexually attract the opposite sex It's hard to discern whether or not you are dressing up to be sexually attractive or just generally well-put together and handsome. The fit of men's suits are designed to accentuate the sexual dimorphic male traits in humans that signify masculinity. Suits are more flattering to the male body shape, making the wearer seem taller and slimmer. The “silhouette” that it provides for the wearer creates an athletic…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:47 PM
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Honestly, not to career-oriented people. If someone was a careerist I would not count on any sort of population average to guess when they will retire.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:28 PM
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Are you denying this is a common pop culture trope? "He's never around" ring a bell? What is going on here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:13 PM
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I was referring to the hypothetical situation you described about dating an OF star. You said you didn't read that reply lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:25 PM
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This doesn’t run counter to anything I’ve said. You've been saying absolutes. Just trying to get to your opinion. What scenario were you referring to when you said: If you convey your demands reasonably and neither agrees and you go your separate ways, that’s fine
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:21 PM
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It’s weird and unreasonable. So it's not fine, it's weird and unreasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:14 PM
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If you convey your demands reasonably and neither agrees and you go your separate ways, that’s fine And then you said this. So is it bad behavior AND fine?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:09 PM
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I meant specifically insecurity due to fear of your partner being hit on. That's fine if you meant it that way, but that is not what you said. But back to the point, you further say: If you convey your demands reasonably and neither agrees and you go your separate ways, that’s fine So what it is? Is it bad or fine? (even solely in the context of your partner being hit on) You are flip-flopping here and it's hard to pin down what your actual opinion is. Or did you just change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:59 PM
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You’re using the word insecurity in a disingenuous way. I am using it as it is defined. Nobody said that two situations are the same, but your statement was absolute. I think asking someone to change something because you’re insecure is bad behavior This is an absolute statement. And if you make it, you have to be able to defend it against any request of change due to insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:52 PM
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wanting people to agree with the more reasonable scenario to validate a less reasonable scenario. It's only used because you said again: I think asking someone to change something because you’re insecure is bad behavior Which is easily proven wrong by the analogy where the military wife was insecure. It's not necessarily bad behavior to be insecure and ask your spouse to change their behavior based on your feelings. The point of the analogy was to highlight that your absolutist statement is wron…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:47 PM
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sees the insecurity of your partner being hit on by someone hot as remotely comparable to the fear (or “insecurity” as you would say….) of them losing their life. I don't think they are "equal" or "comparable." My real point is that it doesn't really matter. If the insecurity of a bf watching porn is something that truly burns at someone, then it isn't really my place to invalidate their relationship boundary if they so choose to have that particular one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:04 PM
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I meant that her changing would be necessitated by his new employer But it's not necessary that he takes the job, so that point is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:06 PM
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You're still missing the point eh? Leaving the office and I'll let you have the last word, but it's clear you believe one insecurity is valid while the other is invalid. That was the point of the analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:06 PM
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Again, I do see the difference in how you react to insecurities you deem valid vs invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:56 PM
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You really can’t see the difference I really can see the difference in how people respond to insecurities they deem valid vs invalid. I can only respond to what you are writing. If you say this: I think asking someone to change something because you’re insecure is bad behavior Then you are proving the analogy worked. It's not that people are upset by the behavior itself of asking someone to change, but the behavior when the deem the insecurity invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:50 PM
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Do you mean people assume an invalid reason for him asking her not to post the pictures? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:29 PM
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I think asking someone to change something because you’re insecure is bad behavio Anxiety and fear that your spouse might die in a car accident being a truck driver or die in a work/combat accident or incident in the military IS insecurity. It's the literal definition of insecurity. Which is why the analogy makes sense. The reason to ask the person to change something about themselves is literal insecuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:25 PM
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That's fine, but again, it's a different discussion and gets to the heart and basis on the disagreement. The discussion is not really about "controlling" or asking to stop posting bikini pics. People assume an invalid reason for asking her to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:19 PM
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If you bring a valid concern forward and discuss it, that’s not controlling It is 100% attempting to control someone's decisions, even if it's valid. You just you think that the controlling behavior is justifiable. You are moralizing the word where controlling = bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:18 PM
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such is reddit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:13 PM
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I did not read the texts but yeah, the threats I obviously don't agree with. This is what the whole situation is about. Not really as people are implying that asking a gf to stop posting bikini pics is controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:09 PM
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And yes, people would understand if there was a legitimate reason Right, that is my point. They are invalidating his reason. It's not just that he is asking her not to post pics, it is why is he asking that. But nobody in this thread is making the distinction, they are just calling it controlling. It's the same level of "controlling" either way, regardless of what the why is. Insecurity is a legitimate reason by the way. It's perfectly legitimate to be insecure lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:04 PM
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but no matter, because there actually IS a big difference between the two statements. Honestly, just don't see it as external or that it matters. It's an internal decision that he made to accept the job and ask you to delete your pics. He does not have to accept the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:01 PM
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you say this like it's a normal thing It's not just the CIA, lots of top secret government jobs here require this. NSA, FBI etc.. honey I have no problem with your booty pics bc I'm not an insecure asshole but the CIA doesn't like them, it could put us into jail so you decide if we continue this relationship or not" So right this is my point, you have a problem with the insecurity, not the asking to not post pics lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:58 PM
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Truck drivers is a more dangerous job than the US military. Roofers, construction workers etc... Just exchange it for really any job that has a commute and you drive and you have a 1% chance of death just from the commute alone. A better analogy would be dating a competitive surfer and then asking him not to post shirtless pics or pics with female surfers. That really doesn't make sense. I think women have an issue with it because it's slut-shaming adjacent and he is insecure. If he accepted a j…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:53 PM
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I live in the DMV area lol I know a few people who had to ask their girlfriends to delete their social media presences if they wanted to continue their relationships. Anyway, thought experiments are not required to be applicable to your personally to entertain them. That is kind of what is fun about thought experiments? You can imagine yourself as someone else for a philosophical discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:39 PM
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If the law is involved it's a different thing your example You can't marry people with social media presence if you are an agent in the CIA. so far from reality it doesn't even deserve discussion It's not far from reality lol It happens all the time in this reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:33 PM
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It's like the military wife threatening to break up if they re enlist, not the same as expressing concerns. Besides maybe they agreed on 1 enlistment but not 2. I wonder if the roles were reversed but it was emotionless instead. "Hey, I accepted that job at the CIA and can no longer date you if you continue to post social media pics of family members due to the security concern." Honestly, I think this is a thing where we see some dude as emotionally insecure and sloppy with words and emotional …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:22 PM
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Not making her job a problem or something she should change? This seems to me like splitting words. It's implied that yes, it is her job that is the problem. And if she was really interested in you, she would probably take it that way. "Hey I got a job offer from the CIA that I am accepting, and if you want to continue to be in a relationship with me you have to stop posting pics of your family on insta." This is an ultimatum and perfectly acceptable. It just seems to be wrapping it up in bow to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:06 PM
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I do, I also know lots of people who have remained in each others friend-zones.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:41 PM
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Okay? And in my friend group they oftentimes don't hook up and remain in the friend-zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:18 PM
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Friendzone exists, but it's defined as a creepy loser who hits on a woman and expects that she will eventually fall in love with him. In my friend group, some of the women publicly consider the male friends "friend-zoned" and no one is a creepy loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:08 PM
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Yes but dumb is not controlling lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 04:26 PM
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Yes dumb, but I meant "not controlling" sorry for the typo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:52 PM
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You don't understand analogies. It could be as simple as her not wanting to move cities every couple years. He might just be a mechanic and has no combat duty and she is not afraid at all of PTSD or death or injury.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:48 PM
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That's just you being dumb and but controlling lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:44 PM
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breaking up due to incompatibility and change in values is totally okay, ...1 hour prior you said --> now, it is important to note that Brady is a surfer, she has surfed competitively and has done so for a living - She also posted the kind of photos she does long before they were dating as well, which is kinda important to note - Pick one our lifestyles don’t align anymore because of x, y, z - i think its time we broke up” I mean we disagree here. This is an implied ultimatum. It implies if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:37 PM
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but its controlling when you use that incompatibility as a “if we want to be together, quit your job” Again, that is okay too. Analogous to the military spouse one. One of the main reasons of breakups is because of the constant travel. “if we want to be together, quit your job” That's fine honestly. It's okay to realize you can't be with someone if they do X. If you can't live with someone due to the constant travel and you will be forever miserable, why should you continue the relationship? Jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:30 PM
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You are hyper-focusing on the item and not the fact that they are just incompatible. You are missing the point of analogies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:23 PM
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You are focusing on invalidating the couch boundary instead of just acknowledging the incompatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:20 PM
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Or these two people are just not compatible and that is okay lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:13 PM
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That is again besides the point. It could be a picture of trees or a stupid top hat. If he discovered it's a hard boundary then it is what it is. Maybe it is posting pictures of family on her insta. "Hey I got a job offer from the CIA, and if you want to continue to be in a relationship with me you have to stop posting pics of your family on insta."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:06 PM
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You just don't like other people's boundaries lol and that is okay too. He probably is not compatible with you. There are plenty of women who believe posting thirst-traps is disrespectful of their spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:55 PM
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Maybe it is smoking cigarettes, or fingering your butthole every night, or wearing a stupid top hat with a little door on it everywhere. The exact scenario doesn't really matter. He discovered it as a hard boundary. The opinions of that boundary by me or you is besides the point. I could think it's dumb and the many boundaries I discovered people have I believe are dumb but that is besides the point because it's not my life or place to rate the validity of people's boundaries. Ironically, trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:41 PM
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So it's not that he changed his mind during a relationship, so your first paragraph is now moot, but it is how he said it? If that was your reasoning than just say "it's not okay to give ultimatums" which I still don't really agree with. If you discover a hard boundary during a relationship, it's hard to dance around the issue. Maybe it is smoking cigarettes, or fingering your butthole every night, or wearing a stupid top hat with a little door on it everywhere. If you can't be with someone beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:35 PM
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If when I told you that looking for your lost dog is like finding a needle in a haystack, you said "omg my dog is different than a needle. The stakes and context is so different." I would tell you that you don't understand analogies because you are clearly not understanding what is being compared here. People change and discover what they want out of a partner even when they are already dating a partner and it is okay to change your mind and tell them what is not making the relationship work. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:26 PM
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He's just dumb and that is okay. I'd hope that by the time I'm 37 I know what I do and don't like in a partner. Me too. But some people are dumb and slow to discover what they want. And that is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:23 PM
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If when I told you that looking for your lost dog is like finding a needle in a haystack, you said "omg my dog is different than a needle. The stakes and context is so different." I would tell you that you don't understand analogies because you are clearly not understanding what is being compared here. No you don't understand the point of analogies. People change and discover what they want out of a partner even when they are already dating a partner and it is okay to change your mind and tell t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:21 PM
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You don't understand analogies. The point of analogies is not to compare surfing to war. The point is... people discover what makes them feel anxious and insecure in relationships and act on that discovery - and it is okay to communicate to your partner and move on from relationships where you have had that discovery.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:18 PM
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feeling insecure? The feeling military wives often feel IS insecurity - the literal definition of it. Anyways, the point is to not compare surfing to fighting in war, but learning that you can discover what makes you feel anxious and insecure and that's a valid fleeing regardless of WHY you feel it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:13 PM
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I get your point but lots of people mature in their relationship preferences as they age, especially through their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:13 PM
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That being said, these messages do display a clear lack of knowledge between the two things - now, it is important to note that Brady is a surfer, she has surfed competitively and has done so for a living - She also posted the kind of photos she does long before they were dating as well, which is kinda important to note - Something analogous to this is military wives. PLENTY of military girlfriends/wives discourage and ask their boyfriends/husbands not to re-enlist. Humans are complex about thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:10 PM
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This happens all the time and is not unreasonable nor abusive. We can't get married if you insist on re-enlisting and doing another Afghanistan tour.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:26 PM
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But they themselves have decided to change, it's not the guy trying to force change on them, that's the difference. He was just being young and dumb. It's not forcing change. It's just being dumb and not understanding what you are comfortable with. That is not being abusive, that is just being inexperienced with your own feelings and understanding your own boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:19 PM
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Yeah we can just talk about what your opinion on some ideal future you alluded to above is exactly here. Do you think there exists a future in which no gender expectations with regards to dating desirability exists? Where straight men can act like gay twinks and yet still have an equivalent level of attractiveness to other more traditional gender expression men? I guess I just don't see how this future can even exist where we divorce "traditional displays of masculinity and linking that to desir…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 05:28 PM
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I looked up “romance novels with skinny guys” and people do actually want that stuff, lol Skinny straight guys who act like gay twinks? That's a pretty slim market for a publisher to even green light. I think sexuality is about gender but not gender roles. No or else we would see an equivalent amount of gay-acting little twinks in female romance novels being lusted over by straight women. It's funny, you see feminists and libs online all up in arms about gender roles when it comes to women worki…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:50 PM
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I’m always curious because on this sub I see a lot of people talking about very traditional displays of masculinity and linking that to desirability and I wonder if we worked on dismantling the need for that, if people would be happier. Do you actually think that female romance novels will ever have straight twinks as their protagonist? How feminine do you think a guy can act and still get laid or still be sexually attractive? You think if I brought my gay twink friend out to bars he could get l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:21 PM
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That's a fair response! People just like to argue on topics they find interesting I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:04 PM
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You are going to have to elaborate. Highly educated girls act like this and still "win" in most measures of success, so I am not sure what success measures you are using.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:58 PM
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Have you met girls like this? Why is it bad situation if men and women are only interested in sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:51 PM
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I am not BP, but some people are happily employed and gainfully invested and still like to argue and debate personal finance, employment market issues and investment advice. Some people just like the discussion topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:00 PM
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Are they really? These women are not in "relationships" so why imply they are? Or are you saying these women think the young girls want relationships with these men? It surely makes less sense to say that these reddit women believe those 20 something yacht girls want relationships with these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:34 PM
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It's pronounced moneycel lol There are 30 million millionaires in the USA. It's really not that impressive to have $1M in assets if you are DINK and working professionals in the PMC. Permanently embarrassed moneycels is the problem. If you can't save $10K a year for 40 years compounded at 6% and become a millionaire, then you should be embarrassed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:20 PM
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Moneycels blech
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:17 PM
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So do you disagree with the principle or do you just find what he said cringe? I agree it is cringe, but I don't find what he said logically unsound.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:56 PM
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Most hot young influencers know this. He's not wrong. All smart influencers and media women all over the world know to capitalize on the attention while they can and bank away some funds for later in life. It's important to have a plan that acknowledges reality. The extremely attractive young women I know will readily admit this and certainly embrace the attention while its hot. For many, it is their business model.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:53 PM
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Somewhat agreed. I get it tbh but only if those couples have an arraignment. It can be a good deal for lots of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:42 PM
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My wealthy partner {33-M} keeps going on vacations with his female "friends" without me {28-F}, and says that I'm "spoiled" for being uncomfortable Top upvote comment: I don't know what a 33 year old man has in common with 24, 22, and 21 year old women. It's a really creepy setup. Do these reddit women really not comprehend what rich 30 something men have in common with hot 20 somethings? Are the really that out of touch with reality? Could it be that these young women and this man BOTH enjoy ya…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:36 PM
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A choice is not necessarily a must nor a need, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 07:56 PM
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Nobody is arguing that it’s a must or a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 05:24 PM
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Resigned themselves to the dynamic as the alternative of pure singledom is worse. What don’t you understand about these words?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 04:47 PM
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Some women resign themselves to that dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 03:14 PM
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Women being side-chicked and in situationships are like the norm in my city. On the contrary, I would be hard pressed to find a female friend who is not or has not recently been in this relationship dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:23 PM
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If this was true then you would see a similar amount of male strip clubs with these types of men as female strip clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 01:19 PM
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My statement includes personality traits. I never edited my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 09:49 PM
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We are not disagreeing here. This is the same reason why gay little twinks are not attractive to hetero women. Women just don't like that feminine personality in a man. The gay little twink is not the personality of sex symbol men in female romance novels lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 09:30 PM
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I don't doubt your preference, however, gender stereotypes still largely plays a role in dating attractiveness generally speaking. Nothing wrong with being an outlier though. It's just obvious fact to me that butch lesbian women are not as attractive as feminine women (to hetero men) or else we'd see them as sex symbols for the male audience. Instead, we see stereotypical feminine traits in the most popular female sex stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 09:23 PM
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This is survivorship bias. Most RPers ultimately leave the forums and online discussion. It's not meant to be stewed upon and discussed in perpetuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:18 PM
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hormone levels dictate whether you are attracted to masculinity or femininity in men/women? Not so much addressing the rest of your post, but I'm pretty sure that is well-documented that trans people's trait preferences do change when they take hormones. Maybe soon we will be able to go a larger study on this issue without relying on a few who self-report it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:58 PM
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I don't think they are jealous as much as they are on a personal crusade to protect random women. This is why women online tell men not to approach women at work, not to approach women at the gym or in public transport or grocery shopping. I've dated girls from all four of the mentioned places above and yet I've seen it so many times advised against by women online. If it is so common to meet SOs this way then why are women advising against it (and age gaps as well). Well it's because they assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:07 PM
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Again, they can be the same thing. A preference for gender or sex can absolutely be a sexuality. A man who does like butch women is still straight. Yes, but the reason why the butch woman is not widely attractive to hetero men is because hetero men are generally attracted to gender stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:10 PM
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Again, hetero people still generally prefer gender stereotypes too. This is why butch women are not attractive to hetero men. It's not just about vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:01 PM
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Except studies shows the majority of people would not date a trans person. Again, heterosexuality is not only about gender either. It's also about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:55 PM
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That debate has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It has everything to do with it, because it proves that heterosexuality is predicated also on gender, not necessarily sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:41 PM
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Agreed, and I find the ethical debate interesting, but it's often a thinly veiled attempt at proclaiming one particular gender is bad or worse than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:35 PM
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declare one gender or another morally superior on whatever grounds. I try to reject the moralizing on this sub if I can help it. I also think ethics is a large part of this sub's debate but the constant moralizing comes off as meaningless when it comes to debating the veracity of RP. It's also largely irrelevant. As if it is relevant to a woman that she desires traits she herself does not possess. It's like of course she doesn't. The whole premise of heterosexuality is desiring traits that one p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:19 PM
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A trans person is only 3% of gen z but overall only half of 1%. Exceptions do not make the rule. This is not a response to my statement. A man who dates a transwoman can still be straight despite dating someone of the opposite sex. Heterosexuality is not merely about genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:00 PM
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What you’re talking about is not sexuality. No. A man who dates a transwoman can still be straight despite dating someone of the opposite sex. It's transphobic to claim otherwise. Straight men and women may not date a trans person but dating one does not necessarily make them gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:35 PM
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It's a sexuality that’s mostly based on sex No, as butch women are not as attractive as stereotypically feminine women. would be willing to date a trans person Genitals are a part of this, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:34 PM
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I don't think we are going to agree here. Female (and hetero) sexuality is far more complex and nuanced and includes gender expression preferences. Butch women are not as attractive as feminine women (to hetero men) because heterosexuality includes general gender stereotype preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:29 PM
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Again, heterosexuality itself is a preference for a particular sex or gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:26 PM
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Heterosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between people of the opposite sex or gender. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexuality The idea that heterosexual people are not attracted to gender as well is just incorrect. I don't think we are getting past this impasse. Women are not just merely attracted to penises. Female sexuality is far more complex and nuanced and includes gender expressions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:23 PM
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Great comment, it's a topic that comes up regularly on this sub. Honestly, I am with him. It is rather meaningless when it comes to dating. If you are sexy, young but poor woman and the only thing that will make you happy in life is being with a man who makes more money than you, why should this discussion on "double-standards" be meaningful to you? In other words, why should it matter to this woman if she finds that man and marries him? She is happy and is not hurting anyone. The whole screamin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:20 PM
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I do not care about someone’s preference. What is heterosexuality if not a preference for women? Yes. So you think that butch women are equally as attractive (to hetero men) as stereotypically feminine women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:06 PM
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What does your personal preference have to do with my topic? You really think butch women are as attractive to hetero men as stereotypical feminine women? You think this is just merely my personal preference and not a general characteristic of heterosexuality? Then why do most hetereosexuals say they would never date a transgender person? I never said heterosexuality is NOT rooted in sex. I said heterosexuality is also rooted in gender too. Please try to read the words being written.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:54 PM
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Sexuality is about sex. Heterosexuality is rooted in gender too, not just sex and that's mostly based on genitals No. Butch women are not as attractive as feminine women (to hetero men). It is not just about genitals. Your idea that heterosexual peoples are merely attracted to genitals is just obviously incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:40 PM
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That I acknowledge 97+ percent of the human population is cis? No lol forget it, it is besides the point anyway. Again, if you were correct and it was only sex or "biology", butch women would be just as attractive as feminine women and little gay bottom twinks would be just as attractive to hetero women as masculine men. We both know that the above is just not true. Hetero men do not find butch women attractive. And butch women will happily acknowledge this! Why would they care? And yet, for som…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:39 PM
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gender dysphoria is rare? That is not what is transphobic about your comment. Preferences and sexuality are not the same thing. Not sure what you are trying to say here. Heterosexuality is rooted in gender stereotypes - which is why butch women are not attractive to hetero men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:32 PM
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Transphobic.... Wrong. That’s biology. That's incorrect. Again, if it was only sex or "biology", butch lesbian women would be just as attractive as feminine women and little gay bottom twinks would be just as attractive to hetero women as masculine men. Also gender is largely biology. A feminine voice is a gender stereotype despite it being rooted in biology. A feminine walk as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:24 PM
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Humans are sexually dimorphic, so women will almost always desire a trait in men that they themselves do not possess Vaginas, penises, breasts, large protruding pancake nipples, are examples of traits one gender desire that they themselves do not possess. But because humans are sexually dimorphic and have personalities, you will also see these splits in personality traits associated with hormones as well - strength, height, aggression. judge them solely by gender stereotypes! How can you even be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:12 PM
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What about this sub makes you want to obsessively complain? Can you explain why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:46 PM
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https://www.safehousecenter.org/the-intersection-of-domestic-violence-and-poverty/ The intersection of domestic abuse and poverty is well documented. The poors are just more violent. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:25 PM
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Obviously incorrect. Abusive people date known abusers all the time. The underclass of this country regularly dates abusive people knowing full well they are shitty. Go into any trailer park or inner city and you will see plenty of people dating known abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 04:49 PM
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Looking at this sub does not make me see why I should obsessively complain. If anything the subreddit convinces me to do the opposite and enjoy my life
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:45 PM
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As long as they are not damaging another person in some way, I don't see why I should obssesively complain about double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:27 PM
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Ostensibly, he found his standard of woman that makes him happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:10 PM
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a double standard Again, by that standard, the poor woman from another country has a double standard too. But like, who cares? She is bettering her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:08 PM
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And how many women date rich men lol Why does that matter to the conversation? Lots of women from overseas marry American men. I think the term "rich" is relative. Stop trying to moralize you’re demoralizing behaviour and go on with life I'm not doing this. Who are you talking to here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 01:56 PM
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Delicate sensibilities that make you a hypocrite. Honestly, if dating a rich man is what makes the poor woman happy then why should she care about what online moralizers sneed about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 01:44 PM
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Don’t engage in the act if you can’t seem to muster the idea of women doing the same. I don't see why not? Just because you have delicate sensibilities? If a woman will only be happy with a man who makes more money than her, then who cares if she pursues that? The idea that your preferences for a spouse has to exactly match your own traits is ridiculous. As long as you don't moralize about it and look down on others, I don't see the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 01:19 PM
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Matter of factly is a moral judgment lol no... Gay men calling each other fags (matter of factly) is not equivalent to calling each other immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:42 PM
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calling a woman a slut is a moral judgment Again... It 100% can be. It not necessarily is as women do it all the time to their friends in jest or matter of factly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:36 PM
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Lol sure. "Many" now actually means immoral. Lmao you've changed the meaning of words with one comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:34 PM
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Don't forget to breathe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:32 PM
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slut a woman who has many casual sexual partners. https://www.google.com/search?q=slut+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS874US889&oq=slut+definition&aqs=chrome..69i57.1742j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:31 PM
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Why are you so emotionally charged over this? Gay men use fag all the time unemotionally and practically.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:31 PM
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It's a term that they have taken back. It's matter-of-fact because they have taken it back lol mat·ter of fact unemotional and practical. Them taking back the term turned the term into a word of unemotional and practical usage??? What are you even saying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:26 PM
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You think a derogatory slur is a matter of fact term? Yes, just like the f word in which those members of the gay community call each other that all the time in jest and matter-of-factly. You don't know many gay men if you don't know they call each other fags matter-of-factly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:20 PM
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Depends on the context. If it is matter-of-fact, or a joke? Not necessarily. Women call each other sluts all the time as a joke and mean it matter-of-factly. I have slut friends. I don't think they are immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:02 PM
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look down on them. Again, my point. It's not about criticizing a lifestyle, but moralizing against a lifestyle. Casual sex can commonly be pretty disgusting though. It's does not commonly happen in sterile lab conditions. I don't necessarily blame people for trusting themselves to have engaged in it safely and responsibly while distrusting or criticizing others. That's the strategy gay men used to avoid AIDS
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:57 PM
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I don't think you understand... look down on others Correct. That is my point, not yours. They need to moralize and look down on others, not merely criticize them. A scat fetishist would judge and criticize non-scat fetishists as being incompatible because they don't associate disgust with sex like they do. But that doesn't mean they look down at them. Similarly, one could prefer non-sluts without looking down on sluts. Something being gross and them being disgusted by it are not the same thing.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:50 PM
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If you think something is disgusting you don't engage in it That's not true at all. Scat fetishists know it's disgusting that is why they do it. Just like cucks like to be humiliated. They know it's humiliating, that is why they engage in it. They don't find it disgusting in the slightest. I got a blowjob in a porta potty at a festival once. It was fucking disgusting 100%. Still did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:43 PM
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I don't know what you are trying to say here. I don't care about whatever guy or girl boogeyman you made up in your head to argue with. Debate me, not someone you made up in your head. Promiscuous women are disgusting. I think scat play is disgusting, doesn't mean I think poop fetishists are necessarily immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:37 PM
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Disagree. I think it hinges more on moralizing. criticize those with the same features/behaviors as themselves. I don't know how to date without forming a judgment of someone. Imagine if I was boring and wanted to date a fun person. This would necessitate me critiquing the personalities of dating prospects and labeling them boring or fun or somewhere on that spectrum. I would inherently be "hypocritical" according to your logic, but that is not really being hypocritical. It would only really be …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:30 PM
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I saw a lot of men stating they want an active woman, and I started thinking what does that mean actually. Like what is active for you? And why? I enjoy a pretty wide range of active sports. Snowboarding, skiing, wakeboarding, wakesurfing, kayaking, sailing, horsebackriding, mountainbiking and flying. I don't expect her to keep up with me but I do expect her to hold her own and be willing to try these things. If you have ever done any of the above with someone obese or just not active, it can qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:32 PM
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Women do enjoying hooking up, but not as much as men do... or else you'd see no difference between hetero casual sex culture and gay male casual sex culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 02:30 PM
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You’re defining “date” too strictly as if it solely means “seeking a long term relationship with the intent of marriage.” Rich men “date” broke girls all the time in the cities I’ve lived. Wall St guys dating dancers, consultants dating congressional aides etc… People casually date. It’s not strictly about LTR for marriage. Sometimes it’s just about fun company doing something enjoyable together and sex. These broke women are in the same class as them though. It's not like they are picking up tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 01:16 AM
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Notice how the researches are saying “narcissistic” not “diagnosable NPD.” You recognize the different, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:29 PM
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women who are narcissistic I think women are just kinda like this. Female narcissists gain pleasure and joy when they bring other people down, but the other side of the coin is that they gain pleasure from self-love which is oftentimes externally dependent - essentially other people, but most importantly themselves, finding her attractive. Reminds me of this NY Mag article with that porn experiment. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?hp “Certainly women are very sexual a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 04:11 PM
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The OP is about being "awful," but okay...same story for being abusive. You are still ignoring the most common reason why abusive people get into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 08:58 PM
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Why not include women who are also abusive? These people more commonly date each other rather than date other non-abusive people in my experience. The most common reason women date shitty men is because those women are shitty too. They are trashy, low-class and have relationship tendencies of the low class - emotional and physical abuse. That is their normal. They don't even realize what is happening because that is normal for them. This is the most common dynamic for why people date shitty peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 08:44 PM
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Lived in DC for like 6 years. A lot lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:19 PM
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I've never really met a swinger couple or poly couple who were well put together and mentally healthy. I am sure they exist somewhere but I'd probably pass on that unless I vetted them outside of a dating site.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:15 PM
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I mean it is clearly a life, not sure if it's a "baby" though. Even a single-cell embryonic human zygote is "alive." I don't know why there is so much song and dance around the issue. Sometimes you just gotta kill something that is alive. Happens justifiably all the time in self-defense. I'd kill you if you were attached to me for 9 months or prevented me from attending school.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:41 PM
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Why exactly? I am challenging his view that this is given as advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 04:44 PM
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"stop bothering women and work on yourself the right one will come along one day" This is sold as "advice" but it's really just a way for women to protect other women in some hypothetical world. Women don't really recognize an "approach" as one that is successful and respectful, I think. They date men they have met at the gym and at work, but to them, those men met them organically. When you say you "approached" a girl at the gym, the visual women have in their minds is the dude who rips their h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:29 PM
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Almost nobody swallows hemlock just for fun. I suppose my point is that what you consider toxic, they consider pleasurable, or just normal. That is what their world is. They’re going to likely pick the option that provides them with both the best combination of security, good genes, and lack of danger to them and their offspring. True
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:09 PM
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I don’t think that women actually want to be with toxic guys. There are a few things to address here. People absolutely pursue toxic things for one. Does a drug addict pursue toxic chemicals for their toxicity? Lots of women also do not know any other reality. Low class toxic culture is all they know. Whether it is trailer park culture or inner-city culture, there is no other option or reality other than emotional abuse and very likely, they themselves are probably abusive in their own right. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:52 PM
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None… what you see is what you get… ?? You said you expected no behaviors to change. What do you mean by false equivalency? I asked you what behaviors you expected to change and you said "none." There are, in fact, many behaviors people expect to change (for themselves and their SO) when they enter a relationship. So do you wish to change your answer from "none?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 07:11 PM
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85% of the women I know married a man who has more delicate sensibilities than themselves. I don't think that 85% of women date men with more delicate sensibilities as themselves. That literally can't be true lol Women are not the target demographic for the twink personality. Irrelevant for a hypothetical. The question is whether or not women are attracted to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:58 PM
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85% of women I know IRL don't either. You think 85% of the female population would date a guy with a gay twink male personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:52 PM
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It'll give me a lot to ponder. Look into your heart. You know that straight women do not like twink feminine energy radiating off of a man. There is no reason to deny it anymore. You can live your life free in recognizing women like masculine personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:32 PM
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"Women are not attracted to the gay male personality" When I said the "gay male personality" I am talking about twinks and feminine men as was the context of our conversation. I know many bears and masc gay men. There are many of them, and yes straight women do like them, because you know, they are masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:25 PM
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It's not about personality type. Again, we are just going to disagree here. Women are not attracted to the gay male personality. This is a massive lie, and I am not even sure where to start or why women online even claim this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:16 PM
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I would agree with this statement if this statement was able to be transferred to masc men. But it doesn't. This is a person to person thing. I once thought everyone was unique snowflakes too. Honestly, we are just going to disagree about this. Twinks are very common and many of them are my friends. And straight women are not attracted to them even though some are bi. Straight women do not like feminine emotional energy radiating from men. Acting like they do is a massive lie, I am not even sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:01 PM
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I've always found the LGBT community more honest with this discussion. I've never found straight women to be very introspective or honest when talking about this, especially online. The other day, my bi friend said she loves dating her masc partner because "she doesn't have to plan or think about responsibilities." You could write a book on the gender roles implied by this single sentence, but this has masculine emotional control gender role implications. LGBT people commonly have reference and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:46 PM
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I don't see that anywhere, but ok. You can open up to male friends, therapists etc... Literally said you can open up to male friends and therapists in the first sentence lmao crying or being emotional a turn off. To what extent? To the extent of how a woman acts? We disagree entirely on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:49 PM
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But we are talking about the currently existing dating market for men and women who claim they are single and are looking for a mate. Correct. The current market is where all the good men are taking out of the market much earlier than was anticipated by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:24 PM
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Men and their mental health are important. Never said it is not. Quote me where I said they should silently suffer. In fact, I said the opposite, that you might talk to your therapist about it. You are reading what you want to hear, not what is being said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:22 PM
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There is an economic answer but you lost me above. The more succinct answer is that good men are in relationships and get married relatively young. The market is constantly being drained of "good men." Women are not lying when they wonder where all these men are. The good men are really not there because they are taken off the market very quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:09 PM
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You can open up to male friends, therapists etc... People treat separate people differently depending on their utility all the time. Do you treat your boss the same as your girlfriend? Of course not. Do you break down and cry to your boss at work? Probably not. You might talk to your therapist about it and cry to them and work through employment issues, but crying to your boss at work shows a lack of determination, confidence and tact. How your employer views your utility is comparable to how a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:07 PM
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Damn bro sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:41 PM
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Do you drive a little moped thing around?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:09 PM
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I disagree entirely. Those tend to be personality traits of young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:23 PM
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Nowhere did I claim it was JUST a trait of younger women. Again, humans age out of being engaged in this fun causal sex lifestyle due to life responsibilities. And that is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:55 AM
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Nowhere did I claim that every younger person is bubbly and fun. Nowhere did I claim that every older person has more responsibilities. Do you know what populations look like in the aggregate. It’s like you think it’s controversial that older people have more responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:47 AM
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I didn’t ask if some are lol I don’t think this is true in the aggregate. Older people get less “fun” with age. And that’s perfectly okay. It’s okay to age out of the “fun” casual sex lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:45 AM
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You really think older women are as equally as bubbly and easy-going as younger women? Older PEOPLE get less fun if only because of life responsibilities. A mortgage. Kids. Etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:12 AM
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It might be slightly less but would not be surprised if it has not changed much. I met my wife at work. It’s basically as unavoidable as not dating someone from school.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:04 PM
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For sure, and if you are going to approach a stranger it would help to have something in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:13 PM
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Awesome man, keep it up!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:19 PM
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Two people with a shared interest in EDM have more in common than randos at Target. Yes, but they are both still strangers wtf haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:17 PM
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Just because you share a common interest in some EDM festival doesn't make you not strangers. What a strange thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:15 PM
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2/3 of American men are obese. You'd be 7/10 just be not being obese. Work on literally anything else and you'd be 8/10. Hairstyle, clothing, attractive hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:00 PM
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because most of the guys are lazy. This is true. What % of men do you think go to the gym? Care about hair style and clothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:46 PM
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Sometimes but not always. Lots of women get into relationships from work, gym, concerts etc... It often is from complete strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:42 PM
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Women use social media apps as dating apps. For my single men friends, their hookups have been via sliding into DMs of friends and friends of friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:37 PM
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If your argument is that she should improve herself more, then that argues against your OP. You are effectively telling her that she is too picky for her looks, so she should raise her looks (or lower her standards). Again though, naturally, people indeed lower their standards as they age. They stop dating so strongly for looks and start to date more towards compatibility of life goals and personality. People lower their standards for various measures all the time. Life is about compromises and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:33 PM
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I don’t think anyone should lower their standards. Why not? If a 300lb woman came to me and asked for dating advice and her standards were "I don't date men who make under $1M a year," I would advise her to reconsider her standards. Naturally, people indeed lower their standards as they age. They stop dating so strongly for looks and start to date more towards compatibility of life goals and personality. People lower their standards for various measures all the time. Life is about compromises an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:15 PM
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For sure, it's not for everyone. There has to be a good foundation to work on. Honestly haven't read up on the sidebar in years but do they say it works for "everyone?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:13 PM
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but again that isn’t womens fault, I think it would behoove you if you ignored people moralizing and stopped moralizing yourself. Lots of blaming shame word choice and tone that implies something immoral. Of course it's not women's "fault." RP would make the claim that this is how women are biologically. Similarly, you can't really "fault" a dog for barking. That being said, humans have the ability to decide on how closely we pursue biological induced desires. The last overweight girl to slide i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:59 PM
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As RP says, it is truly the golden age of alpha men. If you go to the gym, dress well, eat well, have independently fun hobbies (flying, boating, racing, snowboarding/skiing, wakeboarding), then you will kill it. You will lap everyone who sits on the couch or on their phone every evening and that is the vast majority of people, men and women. That all being said, yes, even the women who are overweight and boring have standards well above the standards they have for themselves. I don't think that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:47 PM
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I agree with your wider point here but… female humans are the only female mammal to have permanently enlarged breasts. All other mammals only have enlarged breasts when breastfeeding so it’s largely agreed upon by scientists that signifying fertility are secondary functions of human breasts. In that sense, they serve another purpose than breastfeeding. That all being said, the same can be said about male muscle definition in that they are a signifier of sexuality and fertility of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:14 AM
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Okay thanks for clarifying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:01 PM
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I said “basically automatic.” As in if you identify as married you are automatically deemed married by the state. There is nothing needed to be done by the state. The process of legally recognized marriage is therefore basically automatic. The marriage is automatically legally recognized by the state by you identifying as married. Sorry about the confusion and choice of words if it made you seethe. I’m sure there is a better way to put it in legalese.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:25 PM
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Lol who are you? And where did you check lmao. Born in the USA baby. And yes. I said it depends on the state. Anyway. This is all besides the point of the economic benefits of marriage. The amount of contracts you would have to sign with friends / girlfriends to receive the full economics benefits to match marriage are unrealistic to expect and downright impractical. You would struggle to find a financial advisor to advise you split a house purchase with a friend or girlfriend or contribute join…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:48 PM
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That's true, but you are afforded the protections should the union dissolve under marriage. Many states also offer common law marriages that are basically automatic. Either way, you don't really want to split the cost of a swimming pool and then not have some legal backing should the union dissolve. Indeed, it would also be hard to find a friend or random bittie I would even enter such a high capital investment and legal agreement with, although you could find a lawyer do make a contract up. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:58 PM
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besides taxes anymore? Economies of scale. You only need 1 microwave, 1 pool, 1 car (if you live in a city), 1 oven. Due to economies of scale, your quality of life is possibly much higher when married compared to the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:20 PM
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It's just strange to me. People seem to allow others to watch porn, but to have it in their video games is a step too far?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:15 PM
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If there is no such thing as a woman dressing too sexy, then how on earth could we criticize for example female video game characters for being too sexy? I never understood this obsession some people have with sexy women on TV or video games. I don't think these same people are oh so offended about porn? Or maybe they are offended by porn but it doesn't ever seem that way. Seems like they are only upset about video game portrayals. Let people enjoy soft core porn in their games, who cares? What …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 03:42 PM
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enjoy some of it :P I find this is the biggest life sucking trappings of my more left-leaning friends. Come to the stables and learn to jump a horse, go to the yacht club learn to sail and rent a catamaran, take flying lessons and learn to fly that 172. We live in a nation and time where the opportunity for enjoyment is so vast and it appears like some of my friends just don't want to enjoy it out sense of ideological purity because it's certainly not due to financial constraints for them. btw h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:56 PM
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On paper if men were really freed of their gender role then men should be able to do whatever they want and not receive any type of social penalty. Correct. If gender roles truly didn't matter, a man could act like a gay little twink sissy bottom and still get laid the same (by straight women lol). That is clearly not the case. This is one reason why dating advice for men tends to lean rightwing. At a certain point in specificity, dating advice will start to advise gender roles. Going to the gym…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:12 PM
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There is a pretty large disconnect. Gender roles and the attitudes towards them are one example. I think certain people will claim that gender roles are bad, but...all that people really think about "gender roles" is "women = kitchen." Ask a trans person about gender roles and what acts they have to perform in order to present and pass as the opposite gender and you will recognize that gender roles are ever-present. Think of yourself now. Now think of yourself playing a role in a movie where you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:02 PM
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Even cold approaches are fine. I've dated girls from the gym and from their place of work. I've met and dated a girl from a grocery store too. Women look at the above instances and their mind instantly goes to the worst case scenario creepy or rudely blunt approach but here is how it really happened: Local neighborhood grocery store in a city, only locals shop there for fresh produce and such. Ask a girl a question about her choice of food or make some mild comment about it. Strike a polite conv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:55 PM
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Think you’re confusing tradcon with red pill. Red pill philosophy itself is not tradcon. I would argue that if you’re RP and slamming sluts then you’re not really tradcon. Don’t let ‘red pill’ be an umbrella term for manosphere. Tradcon do exist here and in manosphere spaces but they aren’t red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 09:50 PM
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Do you expect your SO to delete their online dating profiles? There are obviously some behaviors you expect to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 11:00 PM
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What am I complaining about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 10:59 PM
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It is from my experience. It’s a soft harem. Both are sleeping around though, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 07:46 PM
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As I already said to you, these are Just my thoughts. I already explained that. The “single” women in my life are far more likely to claim their status as complicated or within a Situationship than the single men. And
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 04:43 PM
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Can you quote the survey? It won’t ever be exactly 20%, sure. There is, still, a pretty wide disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 04:28 PM
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Did the survey ask “committed relationship?” The disconnect is of the answers I think. Where women consider themselves in some of a relationship or “situationship” as women call it today, while the man does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 04:15 PM
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As others said, it's the response of the police and your social circle including employment that should scare you due to the delusional stance that men are primarily guilty via mere accusation, victimization and involvement in DV.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 03:42 PM
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Sure it’s the male version of her skull structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:55 AM
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I don’t think so? It’s based on their consumer tastes. They ostensibly soft released the features before a full roll out. Do you think that it’s so popular because it’s not a widely held belief of taste?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:59 AM
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What do you mean? It's not a secret that social media apps have been hiring psychologists to develop feminine filters. Also, different people have different taste, there's no common axis to flip on. People have certain tastes in the aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:10 AM
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Yeah? From my understanding, they change the spots fat are typically stored in the face, so yes they do in a way. They are facial filters, not height filters.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:08 AM
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I don’t think they necessarily should but it seems to have a certain humbling effect regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:06 AM
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I don’t think it diminishes her cuteness as a woman. It made her realize the guy version of herself is in a completely different league - or “humbled” her by her own admission, but that doesn’t diminish her cuteness as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:23 PM
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standards for beauty between Men and Women are explicitly different and there is zero reason to assume a 1:1 transfer. I tohught these filters account for this? Feminine filters change your facial structure. It's not merely a hair deletion app.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:11 PM
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I’m the opposite. I would never LTR a woman who wasn’t immediately viscerally attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:14 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? Again, you aren’t making sense. If you are being risk averse with your finances, it’s because you are being secure with your finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 02:00 AM
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Risk mitigation is a security concern. You’re trying to dance around what is obviously a security concern to your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:43 AM
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She can leave though? She herself expects her own behavior to change once in a relationship. That’s why you date. So you can find a woman who matches expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:38 AM
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Because I expect some behaviors to change once in a relationship. What behaviors do you expect to change when you enter a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:38 AM
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Again, you’re not making any sense. Those boundaries exist because people are not secure enough in their relationship to trust their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 12:56 AM
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You’re not listening to what is being said lol having an expectation is not necessarily a desire for someone to make a change independent of what they would’ve already done when they make a change in behaviors from being single to be in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:59 PM
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You do. Your expectation for a partner is someone who doesn’t do meth. The math analogy is a false equivalence, though. Because you don’t do meth to attract a partner, but you do dress scantily to in many people stop dressing in such a way when they are in a relationship. I think it’s fair to have an expectation as many people follow this change naturally. You’re not expecting a girl to change anything about herself if she herself stops dressing that way when she is in a relationship on her own …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:41 PM
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For sure it might be silly for you believe he will actually change. That doesn’t mean you don’t have an expectation of soberness from meth. You still have an expectation that he doesn’t do meth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 09:21 PM
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I also don't date them or pursue them, This is where we differ. You might actually date them and realize they are a meth addict and then make your expectations clear. You don't always know everything about a person they second you start dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:52 PM
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You're not making any sense here. All you are arguing is that in this scenario, it is reasonable to be insecure. Therefore, it is understood to be a reasonable and common boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 04:42 PM
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I would find it strange for a 40 year old woman to have the same taste in clothing as her 21 year old self.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 03:14 PM
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Sure and there are women that do who expect themselves to stop once they get in a relationship. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:16 PM
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I disagree. I think relatively modest women dress revealing outside of relationships. Again, that’s the point. Having these expectations of what a relationship should be IS FINDING that person. Having expectations is not necessarily trying to change anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:03 PM
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Who said you don’t like them? You could not like that when in a relationship. Same for porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:02 PM
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You can call it controlling, other women will consider it reasonable as they are more modest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:55 AM
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Sure you should make your expectations clear if you are aware of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:54 AM
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Someone like who? I date many people of many different backgrounds. How do you know if it’s a problem if you don’t date them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:53 AM
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And that’s another expectation of a relationship you can have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:06 AM
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I’m sure you’re a wonderful person. Life is unfair. Red flags are merely mental shortcuts we use in reference to a pattern. Sometimes that pattern is not true like yourself and that’s okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:02 AM
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For sure you don’t go clubbing like your 21. You do it in a different way. But regardless, if that’s your thing then you can also have that expectation with your spouse - that you continue clubbing together. That is not philosophically different than expecting it to cease.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 11:59 PM
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Look life is unfair I get it. Red flags are not deal breakers though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 11:57 PM
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Who cares if it doesn’t end well? That’s the point. To set your expectations of boundaries and let people take it or leave it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 11:56 PM
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Is it reasonable for a girl to date that guy playing video games 8 hours a day to tell him that he can't do that the day after they enter a relationship because that time should be spent on her instead? Correct, it's reasonable for a girl to expect more attention when in a relationship, immediately. That's kind of what relationships are all about? You stop selfishly pursuing individual goals and focus efforts instead as if on a team. No, but you don't expect her entire wardrobe to change the mom…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:41 PM
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If you were attracted to them and wanted a relationship with them when they were wearing those same revealing clothes then it is controlling to suddenly switch up. Not necessarily. People change their mind. You can be okay with her doing that stuff when she was single but find it inappropriate now when married. People are attracted to soldiers but often don't want them to re-enlist. People are complex and their minds change, they want different things for different stages of life. That does not …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:34 PM
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I'm not. First goalpost: Asking is not controlling. Second goalpost: I am asking how is it okay to date and pursue a relationship with someone that you don't find acceptable and then expecting them to change for you. Imagine being with someone in college. They play 8 hours of video games a day. Is it unacceptable to expect them to not do that when you both have careers and a kid? It's perfectly reasonable to expect change in someone, especially something like spending half your day playing video…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:14 PM
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Why are you moving the goalposts? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:10 PM
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Do you think it's reasonable to date and pursue someone that plays video games for 6 hours a day, become an official couple, and then tell that they can't play video games because you want that time spent on you? Honestly yes. College kids do often play video games that many hours a day. It's perfectly reasonable to marry a guy and not expect him to play video games like that when you are married and have children and a career and other responsibilities. I would encourage people to expect much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:10 PM
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You expect your SO to dress appropriately to your standards, that is why you ask. You have an expectation that you have laid bare by asking. If you didn't expect it, then why would you even ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:54 PM
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Nobody said anyone would be forced to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:46 PM
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No, you were fine with her behaviour when you met her dressing revealing and posting thirst traps What makes you think that? I was not fine with her dating other men, that is why I asked the relationship to be monogamous. By your logic, asking her to be monogamous is similarly controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:38 PM
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The beautiful thing is that there are plenty of women who don't have that lifestyle even at 21. For sure, but I'd even expect that woman to change how she dresses and for her hobbies to mature as she ages. It would extremely strange for her to dress like she did at 21.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:37 PM
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You can't tell someone what to do and expect them to do it because it's what YOU alone want and it was never a problem before. I agree but that doesn't back your statement here: I think it depends on if they were doing it when they met you or not. Sounds like you are backtracking and what they were doing when they met you is irrelevant. Sounds like you are talking about how you both communicate acceptable behavior after you met, not what you were doing or not doing before you met.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:24 PM
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If you expect them to change after the fact you will be the asshole every time. eh... idk I don't really think it's unreasonable to expect people to change. Is a 40 year old woman going to clubs and posting thirst traps like she is 21? Will she be wearing the same clothing and styles? If anything, it's unreasonable to expect a woman to maintain the same revealing style of clothing as she ages. Is it really that unreasonable to expect her to change? Lots of women post thirst traps because sliding…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:12 PM
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Why does that matter? I was dating other women when I met her too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:08 PM
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Loves her father
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 02:50 PM
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The women who are pursuing astronaut training are in the Air Force studying. They are not seething online about a trad wife’s insta page. My comment is specifically regarding the seething women responding negatively. I don’t think these seething women have it figured out at all. I really think they are lost young women who see someone happy giving to a man and family and it makes them genuinely angry lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:29 AM
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I'm not OP nor am I talking to OP. Its like saying “most diets fail because you are eating food you dont like”. Everyone knows this thats why they hate dieting. The point is to go a step further and find ways to cook enjoyable, healthy meals. Away from this analogy, would be to understand how or why you are not brining what is desired to the dating market. How can you sell yourself and bring your value and desirability up to par. Already in a relationship and going poorly? What did your SO value…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:59 PM
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I understand what you are saying, but I think the alternative is worse. The alternative is a magical fairytale way of thinking to believe in unconditional love. That's literally fairy godmother shit lol In so far as much as you pursue the truth you come to this realization. If you even value truth then you will naturally examine the transactional dynamics of human relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:52 PM
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I believe most people cannot live with the adjunct realism you suggest For sure, it's a challenge. And we talk about this with regards to personal finance and economics as well. It's not always easy to live a rational life, saving, not gambling, living within your means, investing wisely ect... Most people indeed can't live like that and don't, and that is the rub, right? Most people are irrational and careless with their personal economics. I do not, however, believe that they are incapable of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:13 PM
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I think that so many young women (and men, but we are talking about how young women respond here to pickmes) struggle with self-worth and finding meaning and happiness in life or any sort of roadmap that brings them there. Then they see some girl on social act like she has it all figured out by loving her man. For people struggling with self-worth, it's almost implied... "My man's house is a reflection of myself" is perceived as "I have it all figured out lmbo and I'm hear to show off my happine…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:32 PM
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NO ONE MEN OR WOMEN values anyone who provides nothing if this is the case. Correct. I think all relationships are transactional. I think the point of it, since you ask, is to remove the mystique surrounding love and relationships and bring them into a more economic and rational mindset. This often helps people in abusive relationships by realizing that they are indeed with someone who provides nothing. It also helps in ascertaining what you want from a partner and how to get that i.e. what do y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:21 PM
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and not a transactional commodity But it obviously is assuming you would break up with someone for not loving you anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 04:12 PM
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where love is viewed as an exchange instead of a constant you should leave. Wait, how could you not? Of course love should be exchanged and mutually shared. Would you remain in a relationship with someone who did not love you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 04:00 PM
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but what humans really weren’t for the majority of our existence The point being that women were relatively more vulnerable. So all this to say. Societies give men leverage. You are backwards and upside down. Again, the point of this is that the absence of society gives men even more leverage. When Rome's walls fell, when Berlin defenses gave to the Soviets, men gained the most leverage. Anytime you see a wide breakdown of society, you see men having gained more leverage, not less. Contrary to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:37 PM
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Why do you think that? A squirrel, a deer, a fly, and sloth can live in nature on their own, why do you think a primitive woman couldn’t, Sure it's theoretically possible to live on your own. However, in the aggregate, a partner who is stronger behooves your survival. There are no historical examples of female-only societies, because without male partners, they are too vulnerable to rape and conquest from outside their female-only clan. But sure, it is theoretically possible in an MCU-addled bra…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:18 PM
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But by building societies and structures that give men power over resources You would need to partner with the stronger gender without societies and structures. I never really understood this argument. It implies that in the absence of society, you would not need to partner with a stronger person. For whatever reason, lots of left-leaning people claim that primitive societies were gender equal with the Dobe Bushmen being the most cited example.... Let's look at that claim through a tedpost: Much…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:07 PM
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I am not sure your point? I am responding to the user's claim that he provided his wife "nothing."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:56 PM
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Okay, you didn't answer the question at all... My wife has been by my side when I was poor and had zero prospects (randomly fell into a decent job but no formal education) Your wife was by your side because you still provided her with something (maybe love? a sense of fulfillment? a boat?). I really don't believe you gave her nothing. She felt no good feelings from having you around? It's clear that your company made her feel good in some way, and therefore, you still provided her something. Onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:40 PM
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RP claims are about the natural tendency, not the absolute determination of what is going to happen. Humans choose against their natural tendencies all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:36 PM
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How? If someone is with you, it's because you give them some kind of value in life. I don't see how it's possible for a person to give "nothing" and still have their SO stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:35 PM
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Sure why not? Date her for 3 hours who cares. We likely wouldn't be compatible, but she might be a good time. Bring her to the lake for a weekend, teach her how to wakeboard. Why not? Is she going to lower my credit score or rob me? If not, then sure, I'll date her for a weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:23 PM
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The only way those professionals are even fun is if you know that you can slay outside of that context. There is little in-between in my experience. You either feel pathetic or you are having an extreme amount of fun with women who know how to professionally party.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:59 PM
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I don’t think everyone on the left expects every person to defy gender. Like I said very clearly, I think there is an obvious bias on the left against advising gendered stereotypes. This is why dating advice, even standard advice, has a right wing bias. The difficultly stems from advising hetero dating norms without advising gender stereotypes, which I would argue is impossible. I think the left clearly does not want to advise gendered roles and stereotypes so they forfeit the hetero dating gend…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 11:41 AM
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SAHP for various reasons - one being that most people these days require two incomes simply to survive. I don't even think Tate promotes this, but I could be wrong, so I don't know what you are talking about specifically. I will never raise a daughter and instill the idea that her end goal in life should be marriage to a man I would raise a daughter with her best interests in mind. If she was a butch lesbian who wanted to play softball, I would do my best to put her into the best travel teams an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 08:49 PM
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I feel like it's a good impersonation lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:57 PM
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“He is a grifter who takes !!acceptable and palatable ideologies!!” It’s not “his” advice that is the default. I am explaining to the user above why his advice became the default advice for boys as that is the question they posed. You are just exclaiming that he is a grifter lol You are talking to yourself about something that is not being argued.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:53 PM
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I did. He’s a grifter who had the spotlight for 15 minutes. Grifters and conmen take bits and pieces of acceptable and palatable ideologies (like being confident, knowing your worth, striving for greatness) and then spoon feed those things to vulnerable people (young men without proper structure in their lives) and then put their own special mix of crazy in there. Bruh. All you are doing is explaining how we went viral. You are not explaining why his advice is now considered as the default. Do y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:44 PM
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Here is you explaining why he went viral. Not why his advice has appeared to be the default. Try and respond to the actual words people are writing. If your argument is that his advice appears to be the default because he happens to be the one who went viral (because he is a grifter etc..), just say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:38 PM
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And I am telling you why he has appeared to be the “default” No you didn't you liar. Quote a line above where you explain why he has appeared to be the default. All you did was handwave and tell me that it's not the job of society to give people role models or that he is not actually right wing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:25 PM
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What are you even arguing anymore? The argument is, again, about why the left wonders why the "default" advice is the sole purview of people like Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:03 PM
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Again, he's considerably not left. So back to the point where the left wonders why the default advice is coming from people not on the left....
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:52 PM
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It really is besides the point. All that matters to the argument above is that he is very obviously considerably NOT left-wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:41 PM
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You said when the default is the “other side”. If you have a problem acknowledging Tate is problematically right-wing, then I don't what to tell you. Where do we even start with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:35 PM
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What are you even talking about? You're lost here. The argument is not that one side or the other produced anyone. The argument centers around why advice from people like Tate are considered the default. And again, people consider that advice the default from people like Tate, because other more moderate voices have abandoned the space.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:28 PM
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“Moderate liberals” since when do ideological sides need to put forward representatives to be role models? Who would be doing this? To be clear, nobody needs to do anything. But if you don't, then how can you be surprised when the default is the other side? You can't really be confused when the default is the other side when you refused to put a dog in the fight to begin with. As long as women find gender stereotypes attractive, you will always lose to the side that has no issue with perpetuatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:20 PM
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Why are generic male goals (hits the gym, successful, masculine etc).... It's the obvious result of the liberal left in ceasing to advise gender roles and stereotypes. You are effectively left with only people like Tate advising young boys to be masculine. Moderate liberals have ENITRELY abandoned advice for young men because although they know that advising gender stereotypes and roles is effectively the best advice, to actually advise those roles is incongruent with their ideology or just poli…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 04:40 PM
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For sure. I’m not questioning her for seeking help.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 05:42 PM
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She's just very politically obsessed about the state of global affairs, I guess. The only person who I ever met who has made the excuse "the state of the world" for why she enters bouts of self-isolation. I don't know why. Even they don't really know why lol that is why they are seeking therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 04:14 PM
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My wife's friend who I will call Leah because that's her real name. I don't think it's extremely common or anything, but there are people who toil over world affairs to the point where they seek help about it because it is debilitating them. Lots of people allow things outside of their control to do this. I think with the rise of 24/7 news and social media, this is a more common mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 04:07 PM
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noooo not someone challenging my isolationist mindset that I blame on Putin and global warming! It's all logical and makes total sense to isolate yourself in a bubble due to world affairs! I don't understand your logic, just explain it. It's such a foreign mindset to me. Do you think anyone who is successful, enjoyable to be around, and/or helps others less fortunate has this mindset?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 03:33 PM
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Why should the war in Ukraine or any other world problem stop me from getting my boat ready for the summer? Is this a gen z thing to justify staying in a bubble because of unfortunate things in "the world?" The only people who cater to those who despair about "the state of the world" are gen z's therapists seeing dollar signs as they book 3 sessions a week to speak about "ugh what are we going to do about Putin." The fact that there are people who go to therapy 3 times a week to literally talk a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 03:23 PM
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Everyone has insecurities that are on them, and insecurities that are pushed onto them by others. I think people do a terrible job of emphasizing with the opposite sex when it comes to insecurities. Men understand the social value of female beauty but can't conceptualize it if they were a woman and often mock female insecurity. Similarly, woman will mock a man for being insecure when they would lose their shit if it was bizzaro world and nightclubs were full of women hotter than herself buying h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 04:00 PM
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when guys aren't willing to be completely honest and upfront I don't think this is as common as you are implying with this OP. Very rarely do I see guys who are unwilling to be honest about what they desire if they are indeed aware of what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:15 PM
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No, they can also be confused, pussies, or dumb. Right that is my point. But your OP states: when guys aren't willing to be completely honest and upfront So that is the issue I have with your OP. The idea that guys are not honest or upfront. It may look like that to women and men on the receiving end, but in my opinion it is just more likely for someone to just not know what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:49 PM
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Anyways, it's asinine to think people “women can't give good advice on dating” when guys aren't willing to be completely honest and upfront about what they're trying to accomplish. Lots of young people just don't know what they want. Lots of people date to ascertain what they actually want. That is a very dangerous person but is ubiquitous in the dating world. The idea that people, men and women, are not "honest" about what they want assumes a level of malice that I don't think is common or at l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:38 PM
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things are equally unfair makes things “fair”. I agree that they both have their struggles, but that doesn't make life "fair." That just means it is unfair for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:24 PM
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Both genders have their struggles is what I’m saying. Agreed but that doesn't mean it's "not unfair." For something to be unfair, it has to be compared to something that is fair. What do you mean by this? Do you think nature is fair? And again, what definition of 'fair' are you using? Do you think that life itself is fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:09 PM
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fair1 adjective 1. impartial and just, without favoritism or discrimination. There is very clearly favoritism and discrimination in sexual selection. Can you give you the definition of 'fair' you are using? I really oppose a just system though, to be clear, but to say that nature is "just" is simply incorrect in my opinion. Lots of natural things are extremely unjust.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:01 PM
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It's not unfairness Lots of things in nature are "unfair" though. You haven't provided an argument why this is "not unfairness" you just moved the goalposts to the fact that the unfairness is natural. Of course it's "unfair," life is unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:53 PM
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Sure, but you are moving the goalposts. Vulnerability is not necessarily about being in danger. It's about being more susceptible to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:20 PM
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I mean the reality is, again, that women are smaller and weaker than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:06 PM
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Do I feel vulnerable around him, knowing he could come in my room at nights and strangle me to death? You don't have to feel vulnerable to be technically vulnerable. This seems like a strange thing to worry about. And yet women are commonly terrified of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:02 PM
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vul·ner·a·ble adjective susceptible to physical or emotional attack or harm. If any group is smaller and weaker then they are more susceptible to physical attack. This is not controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:50 PM
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No. You are saying that women are more vulnerable even if they're not weaker and smaller. No, incorrect. I clarified I was speaking in generalities. If the woman was 5,000 feet tall then she would be less vulnerable than men. If that helps you feel better lol Lots of radfems are correct in their premises, but then their prescriptions go off the rails. The premise that females (of many species of mammal) are more vulnerable is not controversial. Humans, like many mammals, are sexually dimorphic. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:42 PM
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It's..not..circular logic.. Women are more vulnerable because they are weaker and smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:06 PM
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We are speaking in generalities here, but anyway smaller refers to strength, not simply mass. Why is this even an argument for you? You know very well that women are more vulnerable than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:36 PM
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How do you know it was a lie and not him simply changing his mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:08 PM
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Men have a way of completely divorcing the sexual function from all romantic feelings in a way that is incredibly foreign to womens’ experiences. Agreed. I also don't think the reality of the situation can ever be mentally equalized. The female role in sex is much more vulnerable than the male role. It's a much different dynamic to be the smaller gender being penetrated to the point where I am not sure women can ever act like men in this regard. The trust required to give consent to a man to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:23 PM
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I mean come on, you claimed it doesn’t work because women reject it. You even linked a subreddit talking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:54 AM
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I always find this conversation interesting because of the massive difference in what people even consider to be "gender roles." I've come to the conclusion that this term also includes gender stereotypes as emulating stereotypes is playing a "role" in the play that is life. The difference in this answer from asking a typical woman this question and a transwoman or an actress prepping to play a man in a theatre play is extremely different and has made me widen my criteria for what are "gender ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:47 PM
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So why did you claim that manipulation doesn’t work?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 05:37 PM
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There’s nothing stupid about it? People are in abusive relationships. It’s matter of fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 12:19 PM
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That just can’t be true lol it is simply true that lots of men and women are in very manipulative relationships for an extended period of time. Why deny this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:31 AM
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For a time, sure. Not necessarily 30 minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 01:53 AM
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We already concluded my point in which I consider negging to incorporate common light teasing. So why do you claim that manipulation doesn’t work?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 01:42 AM
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Sounds like humans in general. We all like to think we are the main character of our own stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:30 PM
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I think it’s more about why it produces results, not that it does. RP is effectively the only ideology to essentially tell young boys to man up. Blue pill advice will go to great lengths in avoiding advising gender roles and yet will acknowledge that we live in a patriarchy where women also have patriarchal standards. In their goal to avoid gender roles, BP will water down any advice to “well not every woman does” etc… which simply doesn’t address the issue when someone actually wants to produce…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:25 PM
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I know women in porn are not enjoying themselves. That’s why opiate abuse is so high for female porn stars. Lady, what makes you think I am offended at the preferences of female porn? What makes you think that porn studios refuse to make porn for women? What incentive is there for that? You really think they hate making money that much?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:25 PM
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I think some negging is certainly manipulative. But back to your point where it doesn't work. How does manipulation not work, exactly? Again, what is your motive here in claiming it does not work?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:08 PM
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You really think there is just some massive untapped market of video porn made for female enjoyment? And that porn studios just absolutely refuse to make it? Because they what, just hate making money?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:07 PM
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How do I explain basic economics like you are five years old. Producers do not create demand. Why in the ever loving fuck would women pay to watch the available porn which shows unaroused women getting mistreated by gross ugly men?? lady......The only way your theory makes sense is if there is some conspiracy by porn producers to refuse to make female centered porn. You really think there is just some massive untapped market of video porn made for female enjoyment? And that porn studios just abs…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:06 PM
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Lady, my god. Porn producers do not CREATE demand. WOMEN do not demand porn videos, so they are not made. IF there was this massive unmet demand for female centered porn videos it would be the easiest way to make millions of dollars overnight. It would've already been done by massive porn studios. The only way your theory makes sense is if there is some conspiracy by porn producers to refuse to make female centered porn. You really think there is just some massive untapped market of video porn m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:01 PM
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Again, basic economics here. Porn companies do not manifest demand for porn. That does not make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:00 PM
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When I was dating it didn't really matter who I dated, honestly. I would take just about any girl on a date as long as she was relatively attractive and not fat. I was constantly challenging my pre-conceived notions about my "type" or who my ideal person was. A large part of dating (that people fail to understand) is to find your type, not to find someone who fits what you think your type is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:59 PM
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That's the point? Women prefer to read porn rather than watch porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:55 PM
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I'm not being defensive lmao I am explaining to you basic economics. Also, just google porn for women. There are a few startups owned by women making porn catered to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:53 PM
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There is no conspiracy, read that ten more times. You keep saying this, then implying there is a conspiracy of commercial porn producers to refuse to make female centered porn. There is no conspiracy. Women just do not prefer it. Do not pay for it. And do not watch it. So the market demand for it is very small and therefore the producers produce very little of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:25 PM
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If porn actually showed aroused women getting real orgasms, women would watch it. This is not how capitalism works. a) there are porn sites just for women b) the market is very small. c) porn is streamed and "free" most people don't pay d) women would en masse watch these videos e) more would be made. If there was money to be made here, commerical porn producers would be doing it. These people do not leave money on the table. There is no conspiracy to deny women female-centered visual porn. Just…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:20 PM
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The available visual porn Again, if there was a market for female gaze porn, then it would exist. These companies are not in a conspiracy to make as little amount of money as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:08 PM
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Good for them? Your OP asked me too not only them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:03 PM
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Visual porn in general is unappetizing for them or else there would be a massive supply of it due to the value of this hypothetical market.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:02 PM
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Then 4 hours or 4 days, whatever makes you happy. Why wouldn't I date her? Is she going to kill me or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:56 PM
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Again, these massive porn conglomerates are not in some conspiracy together to make less money. If the demand was there to make money off of, they would supply it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:53 PM
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I am asking you for a source. These massive porn conglomerates are not in some conspiracy together to make less money by denying women visual porn. Your theory does not make sense in the face of basic economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:50 PM
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If you have better sources then I am available to read them. Your theory holds no water. The market doesn't make women like or dislike certain things. There is a massive amount of gay porn out there for men because gay men demanded it. If there was a massive demand for female-centered visual porn, there would be commercial supply for it as well. These massive porn conglomerates are not in some conspiracy together to make less money by denying women visual porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:43 PM
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What numbers do you have on women's porn preference? The numbers I've seen published by porn sites are self-selecting for the women already into watching visual porn. When you survey women even today, I think you get similar results.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:39 PM
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Already did.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:38 PM
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I'm not going off what women are telling men. I can only go off of what the available scientific literature is on the subject. If women enjoyed visual stimulation as much as men, there would be similar amount of male strip clubs as there are female strip clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:37 PM
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Let’s get all science-y for a moment. A study in the National Library of Medicine found that 90 per cent of women used ‘mental framing’ (also known as scenario conjuring) to get aroused. And a 2009 study on porn and arousal published in the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health found that women became aroused by the context of the story rather than the visual offering of porn. https://screenshot-media.com/technology/sex-tech/women-erotica-over-porn/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:33 PM
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No, survey data from what I recall being posted here. Women tend to prefer erotica over video. Let’s get all science-y for a moment. A study in the National Library of Medicine found that 90 per cent of women used ‘mental framing’ (also known as scenario conjuring) to get aroused. And a 2009 study on porn and arousal published in the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health found that women became aroused by the context of the story rather than the visual offering of porn. h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:32 PM
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I agree that most visual porn is made for men. That is my point, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:31 PM
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I sure as shit don't stare at the trashcan for a whole 30 mins. But yeah, sometimes I go into the shower and clean up within a 30 min timeframe. Really depends.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:24 PM
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For sure, online women are giving the least helpful advice and assuming the man is the most socially incompetent and making blanket statements. I honestly think women online are thinking and acting like they are actually talking to the homeless man on the subway catcalling other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:58 PM
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You really think manipulation does not work on insecure people? Are you just unaware of how sociopaths work? Shit happens like all the time. Why even deny that psychopaths successfully prey on weak people? I don't even know why you'd want to deny this happens? Like what is your motive here to deny obvious reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:50 PM
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I agree with that but men pay child support in the case of rape too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:33 PM
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I recall the stats being far lower than that for women and the most common genre being erotica.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:27 PM
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Still a minority according to the data I’ve seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:18 PM
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You literally have minutes to take it, and move it somewhere 15-30min... That doesn't make it an invalid concern. Women have been known to do this from a blowjob and not PIV sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:16 PM
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Yes, and they prefer narrative porn over visual forms.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:12 PM
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Unless there's someone camping your trashcans 24/7, this is an invalid point. Edited the comment to delete inside the body stats and left the outside the body stats. Celebrity men do destroy their own sperm so random women don't steal it. Why is this an invalid concern?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:10 PM
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I don't think raising your eyebrow implies some kind of claim of deep meaning. All that phrase means is a benign reaction that she is outside the norm of typical female porn habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:09 PM
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I don't know what you really mean, but I don't think this common online woman narrative is "rooted" in sexism. The narrative that women are too fragile to handle being approached is simply sexist itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:08 PM
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I don't think my comment claimed any deep meaning. The most common form of porn for women is romance novels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:04 PM
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Your sperm can live outside the body for up to 15 to 30 minutes in the right conditions. Why is that an "invalid" amount of time?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:04 PM
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You date her? Who cares? Date her for 1 day or 2 weeks. These questions are always so strangely worded as if "dating" is some legally binding contract. "Would you ever date a girl who did XYZ?" Sure why not? Date her for 2 hours, who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:46 PM
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I knew a girl like this too from my hometown too. She's a gigantic mess lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:45 PM
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Yes! It's also insanely sexist. It assumes women faint at just the idea of being asked out in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:29 PM
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I am asking you if you think stealing sperm from the trash can is a "natural consequence." You can get pregnant from stealing someone's sperm without having sex...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:26 PM
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I wouldn't describe you as very typical of women's porn habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:22 PM
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of the natural consequences of this action Is stealing semen from trashed used condoms a "natural consequence?" Most famously, journalist Liz Jones, confessed in the Daily Mail to stealing her ex-partners’ sperm in an attempt to get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:21 PM
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Stop listening to women about where you can meet other women. Women online will always default to what makes all women feel the safest at the expense of your happiness and will always presume you are some perverted ugly weirdo. And honestly, it's not unreasonable of them to. A guy who begs random internet women to approve his approach to other women gives off the image of a perverted ugly weirdo. Don't meet women at work Don't meet women at the gym Don't meet women on public transportation I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:04 PM
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Men who still view porn while in a relationship, do you care if your female partner looks at other men for their sexual gratification? I would raise an eyebrow towards any woman who views porn like a man does. Women don't cock worship like gay men do. Women are not gay men with vaginas. More commonly women read romance narratives as a sexual release, which I find more silly than some kind of breach of relationship exclusivity. We are all humans though. "Sexual gratification" outside of a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:01 PM
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If you're attractive this works well. Lots of women are on dating apps not for dates, but for sexting. Understandably, it's a safer and less vulnerable way to engage in hookup culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:04 PM
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I’m not sure what you think the link above proves because it doesn’t prove much lmao insecure people are still the target audience for psychopaths. What do you think “target audience”means? Also if it doesn’t work then why do you care so much about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:45 PM
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You can’t individually market test every single person of the demographic. Ultimately The demo is going to include people who don’t know the product exists. Market testing does not create awareness of your product within the demo. It just tests that product with individuals in that demo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:22 AM
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No. Trusting people neg each other too. It’s just a form of teasing. A target audience does not necessarily know the product even exists. You can bring a product to market without anyone knowing about it yet and still have a demographic target audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:50 AM
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When people speak about it here it’s not necessarily to make the other person question their self-worth but to elevate yourself. Women like back and forth teasing. So now you admit that they are the target audience? Because just before you denied it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:11 AM
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I disagree. That’s just how the word is used around here. There are also heinous strategies that work on insecure dudes too. This is just matter of fact when you speak about these types of psychological issues. Also, just because a woman doesn’t want it, doesn’t mean she is no longer the target audience. Do you not understand what that phrase means? Insecure men are the target audience for lots of crazy women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:53 AM
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It’s a word to describe common tease flirting in my opinion. What do you mean by “no woman is the target audience” anyway? Some more manipulative forms of negging absolutely work on insecure women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:30 AM
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You’re probably not the target audience but this playful teasing and flirting really works. It’s quite ubiquitous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:26 AM
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Disagree with it comes to social acuity. I think it is a learned skill that comes with many trial and error throughout early childhood. I don’t think anyone is born with the ability to socially seduce. It doesn’t even make sense otherwise, considering language itself is literally learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:43 PM
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Negging is deliberate and intended to be manipulative. You're discussing hard negging vs soft negging. Think of this way.... treat every girl like you treat your friends bratty little sister. Tease them and treat them like they are just a hint below you. That doesn’t mean trying to hurt their self esteem but you can tease them enough that they don’t feel like the hot girl everyone caters to. Don't pick on personal attributes but clothes, and mannerisms are open game. And girls will play this fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:32 PM
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How about this: If Chad is "natural" at social skills because of his well-rounded upbringing, then his bad social skills would also be "natural" after someone kidnapped him and put him in total darkness solitary confinement for 3 years making him lose his mind and all social skills. So you can't have it both ways, you see? If "natural" = the social results of a great childhood, then "natural" also includes the social results of my horrible social experiment. Which is to say people are using "nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:25 PM
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It was a hyperbolic statement to suggest the point that environment is largely responsible for social acuity. More commonly is isolation being the root cause of social awkwardness though. I think kids are more often home and on the internet than interacting with their peers. This is not even controversial, I don't understand how you fail to understand the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:16 PM
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So now you agree with OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:57 PM
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Huh, no? It's obvious from horrific kidnappings and abuse that social acuity is learned. Autism does explain some of it, but the question is not "natural" vs "autism" and that wouldn't really make any sense anyway because autism is naturally occurring.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:55 PM
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Any time this "natural" vs "learned" topic springs up, everyone just goes along with the premise as if social acuity is not all learned to begin with. Ever see those documentaries where abused children are found locked in dark rooms isolated for years? They all come out socially fucked because social game is something every human learns.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:34 PM
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Is wearing makeup an attempt to deliberately harm another person's self image, the way negging is? It's also called teasing. Socially inept people need words and phrases for these things so it makes sense to them. Why teasing works is because you are not bending over backwards all the time and putting someone on a pedestal. It shows social adaptiveness away from constant worship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:31 PM
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Naturally for sure. The learned behavior is off putting Do you think people are born with social acuity? All social skills are learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:54 PM
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This is a weird way to look at things. The "natural guy" learned social skills like any other person does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:53 PM
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People lower their standards as they age as it is. Men lower their physical standards for sex and women lower their standards for income and physical attractiveness as well. I think that in these discussions attitude adjustments in favor of compatibility are conflated with "lowering ones standards" or settling. It's more about mindset than anything else, really. If a person lowers their income/physical attraction standards to find a partner more emotionally, financial and life-goal compatible, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:45 PM
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Monday I will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:56 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFSrxSBrgSc According to this sex researcher, there is about a 60/40 disparity - meaning 60% of women strongly fantasize about being submissive while only 40% of men strongly fantasize about being dominant. The rest of the percentages vary in strength of dominant and submissive desires, but there is a pretty wide disparity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:59 PM
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I think that it’s more common for men to be flippant and change their mind easily, in addition to not knowing what they want. The men and women I know who are casually dating are not so much lying to all their partners but just don’t really know what they want to begin with. Part of dating is figuring that out and also part of not knowing is probably internal to them for whatever reason. To the outside eye, I can see how it can be easily misconstrued as someone “lying” and sure this happens, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:51 AM
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I was thinking it was short for juggalo. For a second there…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:04 AM
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What’s a jugo person?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 11:18 PM
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Sure but again, from my experience professional men don't say crass things like that. The respect is unspoken or if it is spoken, it is more along the lines of "you're a lucky man" sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:30 PM
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Some true red pill advice!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:22 PM
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I don't respect people just for having good-looking partners. I don't think this is about you though? I'm sure there are studies that suggest this phenomena is real if you really want me to go look for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:16 PM
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That’s more youth and urban culture but the professional version is simply being more respected as a man with a beautiful partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:54 PM
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Never mind, it doesn't appear from your comment history that you are capable of conversations beyond one word answers lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:40 PM
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How about respond and speak your mind and have a convo.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:35 PM
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Or just elaborate beyond a yikes poster
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:15 PM
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Don’t just yikes post, debate
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:34 PM
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Has nobody ever asked you your type?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:35 PM
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Isn't this what some people say to LGBT when they are shamed for their preferences? In so far as much as social shaming matters, then why not discuss it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:49 PM
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It's not really MY definition though but I understand why you'd disagree with it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:53 PM
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The whore is not literally promiscuous, but can be. It's a little bit of a misnomer. The king's concubine were not literal whores, nor did they sleep with anyone but the king, but they were his whores nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:49 PM
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It's a significantly fewer amount of women though to the point where it's a rounding error to zero. I would love to see a social experiment where I tried to get my gay male friend to get laid by a girl. See how long it would take him if he ever could lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:47 PM
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It's your implication I am trying to get to? So you do agree that feminine men are less attractive than masculine men? Or do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:46 PM
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That's a cop out though right? So you are now implying that women are not viscerally attracted to these traits for causal sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:40 PM
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In my opinion, given the most ideal circumstances, men would choose the option in which they would sleep with the whores for fun and sleep with and impregnate the wife for love and companionship and legacy. I don't think it's a coincidence that the kings of entirely separated civilizations practiced this mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:37 PM
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however women not being attracted to feminine men is a lie. We are talking about attraction at the end of the day though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:35 PM
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You people use sex and dating interchanablely to mean the same things, which they don't. Casual dating is different than serious dating. People on OLD often specify this and often state what they are looking for, and yet they are still both considered "dating." Your investment in the probability of a gay acting man getting a blowjob in a heterosexual gloryhole from the middle of nowhere, has no relevance to anything I've commented thus far. That's not true at all. If your comment was true, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:31 PM
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Marriage is literally the definition of the most successful dating outcome. For you perhaps, but why are you trying to define what is success to someone who wants to casually date? Even in Cali or NYC, the men who get laid the most do not act like a gay male twinks. You must see this, right? Do you know any of these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:25 PM
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I am arguing against the idea that alphas don’t have to work for it. AF/BB is definitely a myth Explain the title of your OP Who are you arguing against though? The entire RP philosophy is predicated on working for it, going to the gym every day, getting better clothing and style, better haircut, better hobbies (no video games). To some "alphas" it comes more naturally, but these guys are in the gym or on the BJJ mats basically every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:20 PM
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And you really think these men would have the same exact success rates in dating compared to masculine men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:18 PM
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however women not being attracted to feminine men is a lie. Do you think a masculine man and a straight man who acted like a gay male twink would have the same success with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:06 PM
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The alpha has merely beat the competition by being better than other men in some way Sure again, arguing against yourself by implying AFBB exists. the beta lacks in these things so he has to compensate in some other way like he has to be nicer Or like you said, train hard and become alpha. Again, arguing against your own OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:59 PM
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Sure but every man can’t be alpha by definition. Again, arguing against yourself. At first you say that AFBB doesn't exist and is a myth and in the next sentence, you say that not everybody can be alpha. Your mind is all over the place. Take a stand on something and debate it. This flim flam shit is like playing debate whack a mole. That all being said, yeah not everyone can be alpha. Luckily for young modern men, the median income is around $60K and the median BMI is 28ish. If you work hard and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:58 PM
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meeting but a man who isn’t any of that pays for a date to get with her how did she demand less of the former guy? The one complaining about paying for dates can always become a star athlete too to get women — oh wait that would be really hard for most guys. Seems like you are arguing against yourself here? You are simply implying the BB should work towards becoming AF. Which is not a claim that it is a myth, but a claim that BB should work towards AF. It's like you are giving red standard pill …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:47 PM
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It's very difficult to be timid and shy like that and yet still succeed in life alone. It's not even "capitalism" that is to blame. You'd find it harder to survive if you lived like that in the wild, alone. But you are looking at femininity in a vacuum here. In reality, there is a masculine counterpart. It's really only valuable because of the masculine counterpart. Went to this guy's beautiful mansion over the weekend to look at a boat he had for sale. His wife so was so kind and feminine. It w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:43 PM
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I disagree and think when women sit down and think, they know deep down that their situationship is a lie and will never turn into anything serious as they desire. I think they are fully aware of this and are afraid to define the relationship because they are afraid of the answer the guy is going to give them. I don't think there is a massive amount of men running around hoodwinking women into situationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:58 PM
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her profile looks legit
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:23 PM
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Many of the women I dated who I had great relationships with I've met in these feminists no-no zones. As long as you have the social skills it is fine. It's not like you should walk up to her and ask for her number immediately. It's a social game of opportunity. Did she pick up something from the shelf you were thinking about buying? Ask her if it's any good and you've always wanted to try it. Hell, it's not even about scoring a win there. That could be the end of the interaction but you've plan…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:56 AM
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It's less about community in the small village-like sense of the word and more about family. Familiar ties were stronger, larger and more controlling over their sons and daughters marriage and romances to maintain social standing and decrease the risk of unwanted pregnancy. You did not want your son to knock some wench, so you shamed them into relative chasteness. If your son did knock someone up, her father would demand a wedding (shotgun weddings). Families were larger and more controlling tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:27 PM
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“Enjoy the decline” kind of presumes that they too are engaging in the deplorable, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 11:49 PM
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Why not? Just date her for two hours for the lols. I've dated lots of people I knew would never work out long term. Dating does not have to be only for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:51 PM
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I think parents are more likely to spoil their daughter than their son.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:36 AM
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The study reveals a sizable gender gap in labor productivity, with women-run businesses being about 11 percent less productive than men-run businesses https://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk/exploring-labor-productivity-gap-between-businesses-run-women-and-men#:~:text=The%20study%20reveals%20a%20sizable,productive%20than%20men%2Drun%20businesses. Women are about 2-10% less productive than men. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222676151_Are_female_workers_less_productive_than_male_wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:10 PM
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"the locals" https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQY-sIM7oxLqBxjnFo7x2ZLn4C1lswT5TCOSJjrvC1uw&s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:06 PM
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Why is that? Presence and intimidation requires a level of physical prowess. If you tried to rob me with a gun, but didn't have a real gun and was instead holding a dildo like it was a gun, it would not be intimidating, but comical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:08 PM
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We have different experiences, that is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:59 PM
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What you are saying is instantly proven false as there is a massive and very obvious difference in how many women are attracted to gay male twinks vs. masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:58 PM
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Actively intimidating behaviors are things like prolonged direct eye contact, puffing out one's chest, speaking louder than is necessary for the environment you're in Would be pretty comical if someone 6 inches tall did that to you, no? Maybe our comedy tastes are different though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:56 PM
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Again, that doesn't necessarily make you afraid though. Make more sense. At best the guy can’t provide Women still want these things..
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:50 PM
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Life is harsh. What "active behaviors" were you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:45 PM
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not just "presence" yeah? It's both. A midget doing the same behaviors would be comical. It's presence because it is the combo of physical presentation and active behaviors. presence was intimidating to women why would most prefer taller men? Again, most girls grow out of this... Men are an interesting dynamic to women because pre-pubescent women are and should be naturally afraid of men unlike they are women in addition to (typically) not being caregivers like their mother is When girls sexuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:35 PM
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Honestly, raw physical power and presence. Women tend to be more shy and reserved, especially as young girls (I can link you fifteen thousands studies on that, so please save me the time and don't ask). https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1131795.pdf I think confidence mixed with physical strength can be very intimidating especially to young girls. It's not so much they are terrified like a wolf is chasing them, they are more intimidated, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:28 PM
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From talking to women in my life, yes it does. They admit their obsession with feminine men as young girls is because masculinity legit scared them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:25 PM
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Make your comment make sense. Why would not needing something make you scared of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:24 PM
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I think this just boils down to the fact that young girls feel intimidated by masculinity to where it legit scares them. Most girls grow out of this stage,
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:12 PM
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Why did you respond to begin with if you agree that there isn’t a test?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:48 PM
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Where did I claim there should be one? What is your point here and why are you agreeing with me so strangely?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:44 PM
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Okay… So why are you objecting to my point above? I don’t understand your angle besides clearly wanting to type lol just say you agree and move on lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:39 PM
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?? Are you not reading my comments lol that is my point. There is no litmus test for womanhood besides claiming you are a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:35 PM
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What test do you have to pass to become a “woman” besides identifying as one?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:05 PM
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? what do you mean yes? So now you agree that it is important for a nation that working age people are not useless? You've moved the goalposts to why they are becoming useless. We can talk about that in a second, don't get distracted again or I'm going to send you an economics textbook on demographics and education.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:05 PM
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The big issue is many red pill men will threaten to not be useful to society if they aren’t gifted a woman Sounds like blackpill. Red pill men threaten to hedonistically engage in the debauchery of societal decline. "Enjoy the decline" and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:37 PM
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? This has everything to do with the real world. The demographic collapse of the young working class has massive implications for nations. Nations all around the world invest billions into education so that their young population is not useless. It's a primary responsibility for much of the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:34 PM
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Not sure what you are trying to say here? There is no economic system that can survive if your working age population is useless. Imagine a commune with 1,000 people. If 500 workers are useless and 500 are retirees, then you have nobody supporting the retirees with labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:18 PM
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Nobody needs to be "useful" Not true? Nations would collapse if everyone became useless. Young workers fund social services. All nations actually need most people to be useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:09 PM
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I think it is a lot like how various women are uncharacteristically slutty on vacation. It gives them an excuse to let go. The most interesting thing about this to me is the reluctance to admit the dynamic to a non-familiar man, but women seem to talk to each other about it so freely. The shit my female friends have told me over the years confirms so much and yet it's all wrapped in tee-hee femininity that it is more easily digestible to them. RP vernacular and concepts are often blunt, harsh an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:03 PM
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Sure but that ship has sailed I think. Anyone can identify as a woman and be a woman. There is no litmus test for womanhood anymore besides claiming you are one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:44 PM
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Stop fighting it. The findings are replicable in other mammals as well: https://medicine.iu.edu/news/2021/07/researchers-study-anxiety-differences-between-females-and-males In one of the behavioral tasks, rodents had to grab pellets of food which were in the brightly lit center of a big arena. Rats don’t like the light, so this creates an anxious conflict. In this task, female rats took longer to touch the food and ate less food relative to males. The researchers also gave the rodents diazepam—a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 07:25 PM
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I don’t think it’s the ONLY factor alone to be clear. And no it’s not definitive, it’s simply the leading theory or consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:16 PM
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You can look it up yourself. Hormones are the consensus theory. I really don’t care if you don’t want to research it. https://vpfw.com/blog/why-women-worry-how-hormones-affect-anxiety-and-what-we-can-do-about-it/#:~:text=Some%20of%20the%20specific%20hormones,such%20as%20cortisol%20and%20adrenaline. https://www.talkspace.com/mental-health/conditions/articles/anxiety-hormones-connection/#:~:text=Progesterone%2C%20the%20female%20sex%20hormone,and%20may%20trigger%20your%20anxiety. https://news.harva…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 06:14 AM
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It COULD be aliens, sure. We are talking about the scientific consensus here. But yeah, the reasons are still unclear however the conclusion is still the same. This inclination for bloops to believe blank slate pseudoscience needs to die, really. It’s just annoying at this point and largely discredited.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:56 AM
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Depends on the woman as well. Many of my exes I met in no-no feminist zones like gyms, workplaces, even once when sharing a taxi after the subway broke down.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:19 PM
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Who do you think this feminist theory is fooling? Not the scientists for sure. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3939970/ Even when studying men and women at random, women have worse anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:07 PM
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You're the one deliberately misinterpreting the data. Until the University of Cambridge accepts your theory, I am going to side with the scientists on this one, sorry silly bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:00 PM
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Women are more likely to be diagnosed with these disorders; not more susceptible. No, its pretty clear from the studies that women are more susceptible even when factoring mental health treatment. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3135672/ https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/discussion/opinion-women-are-far-more-anxious-than-men-heres-the-science#:~:text=But%20why%20are%20women%20more,have%20been%20linked%20to%20anxiety. The scientific consensus currently is: But why are women more likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 08:52 PM
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Not sure my comment about suicide was addressing the female population specifically. In fact, it addresses both men and women. Agreed though, the rate of suicide in young men have skyrocketed. Quite interesting that young men seem to be getting worse despite being largely implementing progressive youth culture that gender roles are bad for mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 08:49 PM
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Well yeah, consider that red pill believes it is the flip side of the coin to regular female strategies. So RP talks about one side of the coin, but you could easily just flip it around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 07:11 PM
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I am happy for you but witnessed women aghast that a man she deemed under her league had the audacity to approach her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:00 PM
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Women are more susceptible to various anxiety disorders and depression. It's really becoming a national crisis. In high schools, the survey found that more students have seriously considered attempting suicide than a decade ago, jumping from 14.2 percent in 2009 to 22.7 percent in 2019. More students have also attempted suicide, climbing from 10 percent to 18.9 percent. Youth suicide attempts have been skyrocketing as more people are online than ever before which only fakes social interaction wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 04:53 PM
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It is a loaded term indeed. I think most people adjust their expectations as they get older. To an outsider, that might be "settling" but you can't expect some super model or millionaire your entire life and expect to find fulfillment. So yeah, agreed, it really depends on your mindset. People will naturally adjust their wants, desires, and needs to something more feasible. Many people consider that "telling women to settle" but that is such a hyperbolic and myopic view of what many men and wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:53 PM
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Kinda not really? When you were “courting” a woman, it was understood that you were not writing to various different women but one in particular. Situationship is more ambiguous than courting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:27 PM
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I understand what you are saying. I had different experiences though. Was probably forgiving and kind to a fault. I generally gave people chances if they expressed interest, allowing red flags to be forgiven too easily. but...it worked out for me in the end! Honestly, those horrible people allowed me to find my boundaries, this sub, and competing ideologies that have helped me immensely in life and have made me a better partner. I'm not sure another another path would have worked as well. In an …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:54 PM
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I wish that was the case. Most people are horrible and make horrible partners in my opinion. Ever date a girl who doesn’t go to the gym? Absolutely horrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:09 PM
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Indefinitely? No. In practicality, yes. What is dating if not a series of horrible relationships until you find a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 03:18 PM
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I get it. Your ego is bruised
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 02:54 PM
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It’s pretty well known that young women out earn young men. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20in%2022%20of,analysis%20of%20Census%20Bureau%20data. The wage gap has always been a weak interpretation of the data. It’s very apparent that young men are falling behind and are unmotivated. This is partly why you are seeing the rise of manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:14 PM
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I agree! The CDC does not recommend staying in your house all the time though. I think your ego is hurt because according to scientific consensus, the CDC has decided against preggos attending concerts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 12:09 AM
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Landchad spotted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:38 PM
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The time she spent doing that she could sexting or calling me instead, so yes. It inherently shows she would rather be spending time with someone else instead of building our relationship stronger. The exclusivity and commitment of having and knowing someone is fully and wholly committed to you is comforting. It means you can trust that person more to always be there for you. It means you were specifically chosen and not just a drop in a bucket. And to fair I don't think it's inherently impossib…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:53 PM
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why is monogamy important to you, if it is? I think it shows that you are fully invested in someone, emotionally, physically and sexually. Sharing that emotional or physical attention with someone else means you are paying less amount of attention and affection towards me. That's just math. I think poly relationships are so unstable because the people are not wholly committed. I think there tends to be a greater effort towards a common future when you are wholly committed to a person. I don't do…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:43 PM
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There is nothing wrong with using someone for sex as long as they consent to being used. Bragging about having sex and having anyone love you or fuck you is distasteful and socially inept but not necessarily sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 03:19 PM
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It really depends on who your friends are. Successful people in quality relationships don't tend to have gender war beliefs. They will recognize there is something amiss about gender dynamics today but it is kind of pushed to the background of their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:54 PM
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She didn’t do anything that would have jeopardized the babies health Most things a pregnant woman does jeopardized the baby. Pick one. I don't think what she did was egregious or some gross danger to the baby's health but she did jeopardize the health of the baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:33 PM
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Agreed. Soon, men will use chatbots for their online dating profiles. The AI will scrub the social media and tailor messages to their likes, humor. Also women may no longer read erotica if a chatbot can formulate the same thing but tailored to their individual tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:26 PM
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Look, you claimed she did nothing to jeopardize the babies health. I am just providing the science on how you are wrong. You wouldn’t not trust the science now would you? I don’t really care here to be clear. I am just giving you the information about how you are wrong. She is indeed jeopardizing the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 02:30 AM
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Your logic is fallacious. Men marry old fat women all the time and I would still argue that they are intrinsically attracted to youth and fitness. Humans make choices that don’t match our intrinsic needs or due to basic trade offs regularly. It’s part of being human.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:43 AM
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https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/repro/noise.html#:~:text=Sound%20can%20travel%20through%20your,stay%20away%20from%20loud%20noise. The CDC recommends avoiding concerts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:28 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/replika/comments/10zuqq6/resources_if_youre_struggling/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Too late. Already a thing. These Redditors are complaining that the inventor of this AI chatbot has implemented a filter that prevents NSFW roleplaying. I have been invested in the industry for a while now and follow these memes and trends lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 11:34 PM
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https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220524-population-decline-in-russia-putin-has-no-other-choice-but-to-win-in-ukraine Social unrest due to the funding gap in social services is going to be a massive issue this century and will likely cause much more wars. https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88983 Russia's population collapse is a major factor in Putin's decision to invade Ukraine and secure natural resources for Russia. It is much easier for a declining nation to fund social services if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 07:33 PM
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It’s not the old people you have to worry about. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/nearly-1-million-french-march-in-4th-day-of-national-protests-against-pension-changes It’s the remaining young ones who know they are fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 07:13 PM
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What do you mean? Empires for centuries have risen and fallen due to demographics. The world will not go into the night calmly as you cut their social benefits. You will start to see massive social upheaval. But yes, you are correct I think. There will be a massive shift towards de-industrialization as cities can no longer support themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:42 PM
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Of course they are because the growth rates are different. The benefits you can afford on a 10% population growth rate are different than the benefits you can afford to pay with a 5% population growth rate. There is still a growing population at 5% but you have to cut benefits or increase payroll taxes to make up the shortfall if you drop from 10% to 5% growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:30 PM
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It's always a little strange to me that these studies present the term "breadwinner" defined as someone making any dollar amount above the other spouse. I bet many of these female breadwinner couples are a guy making $48K and the woman making $55K.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:10 PM
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Why do you keep talking about "choice"? Your argument above was that women are not hypergamous because they choose egalitarian relationships.... Do you just not understand what you were saying before and why it was a logical fallacy? I can explain it again. So, again, humans choose to do lots of things that are against natural inclination for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:03 PM
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Retirement, at least where I live, is based off of what you pay into it. No it is not. There is no country currently existing where social retirement benefits (incl. health and cash benefits) are entirely funded by those who contributed. There is not enough money to do that. Currently, these benefits are funded by working adults via payroll tax people simply won’t retire. How do you suspect this will look? People working in their 90s? Literally people working until they drop dead? Help me visual…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:47 PM
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I wish you were the king some kingdom so you could simply cut all social security and retirement benefits just so you could witness the massive social upheaval, revolution and misery you would cause. Just never retire bro, just work into your 90's bro. Health benefits into old age? Pshh who needs that. Just don't retire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:36 PM
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I'm just saying a minority of women just DO NOT HAVE it at all, to begin with. Again, it's fine that you are saying this, but your argument that you are not hypergamous because you choose not to be is a logical fallacy. You may or may not be, but simply stating that because you choose not to means you aren't is a logical fallacy. Again, humans choose to do lots of things that are against natural inclination for various reasons. Do you just not understand logical fallacies or what is going on her…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:33 PM
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My point regarding hypergamy is that it is simply not a natural inclination in some of us. Again, it may or may not, but the simple fact that humans choose to stay with their old, fat wives or egalitarian relationships is not an argument that it is not a natural inclination. Try a different argument that is not a logical fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:13 PM
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Upside-down demographic pyramids are a massive liability to a nation. There is no system in the world that can handle only having 10 working adults supporting 90 retirees.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:03 PM
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doesn't mean he wouldn't have sex with a hot woman if he could get the attention of one. Nobody is arguing that he wouldn't have sex with his wife. Simple fact of the matter is that he is still superiorly attracted to fit, young, women. It's like you don't understand the argument here. Men choose life marriage for practical reasons, reasons of love and mate bonding etc... just like women choose egalitarian relationships for the same way. The idea that because men choose marriage means they are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:42 PM
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I'd say maybe, at the most, about 60% of women are hypergamous. Otherwise we would not see any women who are egalitarian, or women who date/marry unemployed men That is like saying that men are not attracted to young, fit, beautiful women because their wives are often fat, old and ugly. What we do is often not necessarily matched by our inherent desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:35 PM
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I know a few girls like this. They say they are not single and yet the guy they are seeing says he is single. It's actually quite sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:44 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7QZnwKqopo Honestly I think it is replicable in nature and everywhere you look. The male of the species does a little dance and must impress the female. Now that is obviously incredibly simplistic when it comes to humans but I think it rings generally true. Sure there are some girls out there on the prowl especially if the man is rich or famous, but generally speaking, men will "take" the chance and shoot his shot and women gives it or leaves it. As long as there…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:13 PM
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She was a very pretty girl minus the scarring. Had untreated OCD as a young girl and constantly picked at her face. She had a lot going on mentally and I was also not in a good place. We used to do a lot of cocaine together and not fuck lol Hope she’s doing okay but no I didn’t think she was out of my league. For lack of better words she destroyed her own face.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:02 PM
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Hard disagree. Dated a girl who covered up very deep acne scars with makeup and did it effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:28 AM
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Attempting to make humans stop noticing patterns is an impossible task you get that? Women still demand gender roles as they forever have. What makes you think I’m struggling?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:53 PM
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Right, but that doesn’t exist in general lol humans apply categories to patterns naturally and to concepts so as easier to verbalize. I cannot think of a more Sisyphean task than to attempt to abolish humans identifying patterns. Why would you even torture yourself with this life goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:49 PM
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Yeah but like I said call it uwudoodoobeebee if you want. I find it difficult to believe that traits will never be associated to gender such as higher pitched voices as feminine. How would you even enforce a change like that? Stop noticing that women have higher pitched voices?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:39 PM
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So why did you object to the original comment which was just describing masculinity and toxic masculinity if you’re only for abolishing enforced labels? Those labels are not necessarily being enforced. The labels are categorizing acts that may or may not be enforced. The original label itself may describe a label someone is using to self-identify with or label themselves with. It’s kind of language works that people will generally use these terms and then use them for others too. It would be rid…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:18 PM
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So you are for abolishing gender labels or not lmao you keep flip flopping. If there is no difference in labels, then masculine and feminine would be the same thing, erasing the trans issue altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:10 PM
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"trans" and "cis" are scientific terms: You defined cis not trans. Some non-binary people do not identify as transgender. In fact, some non-binary people do not identify as trans on purpose so as to not take up trans space. and in a world where masculine and feminine are acceptable esthetics for anyone You haven't abolished gender if masculine and feminine are still concepts, roles and esthetics that exist. Try again? Sorry for confusing you with "gender abolitionist", I should've known better t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 09:54 PM
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Nonbinary folks don't necessarily adhere to gender norms in any direction, but binary trans people do. We are talking abouts trans, not non-binary. But right, so because trans people adhere to gender norms and are valid because of that, then those gender norms are valid as an extension of that. Hence, being gender an abolitionist would negate those norms being signified as a valid identity marker and abolish those norms altogether. because it's their brain's negative reaction to their bodies nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 09:30 PM
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Not all trans people are binary though. For sure, but the ideology itself entrenches gender norms, not abolishes them. there's probably more nonbinary trans people than binary ones. I agree. The two I know are nonbinary but admittedly only because they feel uncomfortable identifying male without passing. Shitty but it is what it is. Regardless, it's not the reality we live in today. In today's world, men live with gendered expectations that women have and must work with that if they want to be w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:43 PM
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It's pretty fucking annoying when you're having a conversation and people keep asking you what you've already discussed. I am responding to what you are writing... remove giving toxic traits gender labels Did you mean say "all labels" or only the toxic ones? If yes, then that all that you have to say lol No, bro, toxic labels were just the topic of the conversation we were having, No we weren't. We were discussing all labels. Removing the label does nothing. Women still have gendered expectation…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:30 PM
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This sub is full of people complaining about exactly that lol I don't care about those other people. I am having a conversation with you about you and me lol Did you mean say "all labels" or only the toxic ones? Why are you avoiding the issue here? You are acting like a cornered racoon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:12 PM
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Did you mean say "all labels" or only the toxic ones? Don't get mad at me for reading the words you write. I don't really care if I am enforcing those views. I'm not a moralizing weirdo where it's going to keep me up at night to enforce the patriarchy. Women have gendered expectations of men. It makes no sense to try and abolish these expectations while attempting to be successful with women. Why would I spend my life trying to change women? Why not enjoy women how they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:08 PM
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I'm not having it both ways bro, remove giving toxic traits gender labels You just said that you are removing the toxic gender labels. Did you mean say "all labels" or only the toxic ones? Don't get mad at me for reading the words you write. I don't particularly like gender roles for the record, it's just the world I live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:03 PM
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You're the one who veered the topic into cishet dating expectations. It's not like I started discussing macroeconomics. This is a sub for debating hetero dating advice. remove giving toxic traits gender labels Again.... you can't have it both ways.. And now you're breaking my heart because you explicitly said you weren't doing that...Really low of you.... It wouldn't make sense to remove the "bad" ones and keep the "good" ones. You can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:00 PM
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Yeah agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:53 PM
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Right.... so you admit gendered expectations exist and yet what... you want to somehow remove the words that describes that very thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:52 PM
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No... More like "big dick and small dick energy." You are avoiding the gendered expectations on men to pay, plan dates, make the first move, escalate physically etc... by simply referring to it as a green flag. All that does is proclaim that those gendered expectations are green flags lol You just ignored the entire dynamic that is happening and jumped to the end wiping your hands clean and proclaiming engaging in those gendered expectations are good things or green flags lol Which does nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:49 PM
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Because we can't erase words commonly referred to as masculine or feminine so easily. You can call it "positive traits that hetero women find attractive in men congruent with a traditional understanding of maleness" or "esh-wubb-doo-doo" or "masculine" but it means the same thing. general toxicity though? Because hetero dating advice specifically addresses the opposite. What about the opposite gender appeals to your gender. It is literally impossible to talk about without having words to signify…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:43 PM
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What's the opposite of hypergamy? Reality (for men).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:41 PM
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Some people like hetero women don't really think they are stupid, at all. Men paying for dates, men asking the girl out, men making the first move etc... In fact, when talking about dating, there is no real escaping the gendered expectations of men. So...why pretend they don't exist? Because it's incongruent with your desire that they shouldn't exist? Pretending they don't exist is unhelpful for men when giving dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:39 PM
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Yeah, well now I see where that is coming from then lol But is that not the rub? You are defining words differently than the entire population does, feminists included (when describing toxic masculinity). What did that trans youtuber say? I'm paraphrasing but you are free to pursue your pointless task of trying to erase gender. Your pursuit is 100% valid and pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:31 PM
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If I was, that would simply mean I am attracted to certain traditional traits of masculinity. Again, you can't have it both ways. Women fight and some are closed off too. If the above is not masculine, then fighting, being emotionally closed off etc..., are not "toxically masculine" either, they are just bad traits on anyone. You can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:30 PM
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Those aren't "masculine" traits though, they're attractive on anyone. They are what society deems masculine. You're just trying to reinvent what the word means. If the above is not masculine, then fighting, being emotionally closed off etc..., are not "toxically masculine" either, they are just bad traits on anyone. You can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:26 PM
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? He is obviously more attractive to more women now than before he was famous. What are you smoking?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:24 PM
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We are never going to agree it too don’t be oh e Harry styles is so attractive because of his status.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:21 PM
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What are you taking about? Of course people dated within their class. Doesn’t mean status is not attractive. You have the strangest and most irrelevant responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:36 PM
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London is very similar with high class culture. Stereotypically masculine is tall, muscular, short hair, body hair, ect in the west. Merely having long hair does not make you feminine. Also confident, flamboyant, high status, show-boaty. etc.. all masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:26 PM
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No he does not lol He has always looked like a man to me. He's extreme status is inherently masculine and his flamboyant confident style is also masculine. Remember, women tend to socially conform while men more often exist at the extremes. It is the confidence in this extreme that makes it masculine and attractive. https://assets.vogue.com/photos/5891a74723f9887c0e0e2755/master/pass/01-mens-diversity.jpg Male models and fashionistas are not 'feminine' or they are only "feminine" to the people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:24 PM
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No. I mean to say that you can be all that AND still be masculine. This is why women love it. He's still very obviously masculine or else he'd be no visually different than appearing female like a drag queen would or a passing trans woman. Upper class men have been dressing flamboyantly for centuries. If you ever have the chance, befriend a male model in New York who dresses like this. They are up there for the most toxically masculine men in the city.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:08 PM
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He's flamboyant and eccentric but so were many popular masculine men throughout time. It's not some revelation that The Rock holding a little puppy is seen as attractive for women. It's the juxtaposition of his masculinity next to something so fragile, the confidence of his style, and the sort of bombastic display that is masculine. Many upperclass men and men in high fashion look like this and are still masculine and have done this for many centuries. The idea that these men are "feminine" is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:13 PM
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It's not necessarily negative, it's just synonymous with lots of negative words like creepy, awful, eerie, haunting or strange. From the context you used it, you were using it synonymously with 'strange' which is still a statement of social validity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:05 PM
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You should read it if you are interested in geopolitical and economic predictions due to demographic collapse. It's going to be a strange few decades indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:58 PM
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Thanks for the correction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:28 PM
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https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2874089.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/CS52403386Harry-Styles-from.jpg This guy is not masculine looking to you? He possibly has the most masculine facial structure on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:27 PM
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In my opinion, it's not only the basis of human sexuality but the basis of gender as a concept - which is why you see some gay men identify and project the opposite gendered traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:26 PM
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I'm reading peter zeihan's new book about China's depopulation and coming deglobaliziation. I know he is a sky is falling doomer meme but I find his perspective compelling if only to be used as a worse case scenario prediction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:17 PM
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I'm not all over the place, you just aren't following the conversation. If you don't understand what's being said, I don't see the point in continuing this conversation. You are indeed all over the place. This isn't a Red Pill discussion. Sounds like you can't follow the conversation. If you don't believe that a cultural narrative of male superiority over women doesn't exist in America, then there's no point in this conversation. This is irrelevant to the idea that women in general still prefer …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:05 PM
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You are all over the place. American gender stereotypes is that males are inherently superior to women. Superior in what way? Certainly not superior in making a baby or nurturing. Being male dominate behavior over women to make them feel small. Yes, women do like to feel small. It's about using gender expectations and stereotypes to attract all women. Correct, again, if we live in a patriarchy with patriarchal standards, then heterosexual dating norms and preferences will follow those trends gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:55 PM
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The discourse in these manosphere spaces is that men are inherently superior to women, irrespective of what women have accomplished individually or what the woman's social standing is. Okay? That has nothing to do with the fact that red pill advises improvement while black pill and MGTOW advise dropping out or "socially regressing" as you call it. Men are saying amongst themselves that they're inherently superior to women and that they don't need to earn more or be more educated than women to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:44 PM
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Men are attempting to socially regress Some men like MGTOW or incels socially regress for sure. While others strive for general patriarchal standards of success. The trend of men doubling down on gendered stereotypes doesn't seem to be popular among the majority of women. Like men being breadwinners, physically and mentally strong? We just disagree here. As more men drop out of society (or socially regress), the men who are attractive and have their shit together become more relatively attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:31 PM
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How many adult women say they want to "feel small"? I have found this to be common from women on all ends of the political spectrum. I remember specifically a girl I briefly dated in college saying how broad my shoulders were and describing how it made her feel small.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:27 PM
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For sure, but this circles back to the problem of lefty dating advice. It can't really be feminist approved if you are advocating and suggesting to employ the very things you are philosophically against. "You're perfect the way you are" is far more congruent with feminism as a philosophy or set of principles. And I don't think this is even an extreme anymore. This has become a mainstream mentally for women or at least it has risen in popularity recently to where I don't really consider it some f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:24 PM
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Isn't that generally true for everyone? If we live in a patriarchy with patriarchal standards, then I'm not sure it's so individual. I feel like the left talks out both sides of their mouth on this. On one hand they make sweeping generalizations about gendered beauty standards in society, then in the next breath they spout that everyone is an individual. Also, gender roles are not about merely becoming a walking stereotype. Asking her out on the date, making the first move, paying for dinner, br…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:20 PM
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and live better lives It's just statistically true that you live a better life when you are attractive. Even if you change the scope of changing yourself because attractive people live better lives (make more money, have more sex, have more and more stable relationships), that is still deemed problematic and not really approved messaging for women today. That advice is effectively changing yourself to conform to the patriarchy. While feminists would argue that women are free to do so, actually a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:14 PM
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This is true and why women on the left struggle to give formulaic and actionable dating advice for men. All good and actionable dating advice for men will essentially advocate a gender role. So it’s cognitively difficult for lefty women to advise gender roles while maintaining the feminist approved opinions on them. I think this is why you see female advice like “just be yourself” and “treat her like a human.”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:09 PM
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Yeah I get it. I think the issue of the female extreme is that any suggestion that you have to change for men is problematic. While that’s not really the attitude men have towards self improvement. And also, this attitude is becoming mainstream or at least more mainstream and I think is hurting women relatively more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:01 PM
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For sure any extreme is bad and requires balance but at least one advises doing something about it while the other claims you’re perfect the way you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 02:57 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 02:54 PM
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The point being that non-police accusations do happen quite frequently. Furthermore, social media or other online accusations do have consequences as evidenced by the past few years. So… we really don’t know the extent of false accusations. In fact, it’s actually impossible to quantify I’d say.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:49 AM
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Firstly, there isn't any evidence that the rates of FA would be much higher than 2-10%. I can make a twitter bot that tweets a false accusation a trillion times a day, making the vast majority of rape accusations false. There is no sense in attempting to put a number to the amount of false accusations. It's impossible and likely that most are inconclusive or false. During the height of metoo and gamergate it was common for certain journalists to receive thousands of tweet replies daily (falsely)…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 02:49 PM
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False rape accusations are not “statically” rare, whatever that means. No amount of data you can present makes that case because the vast majority of rape cases end without a conviction. Therefore some amount were true and some amount were false. Also, you could ostensibly create a social media bot that levies random false accusations by the millions per day, instantly making the vast majority of all accusations false.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 02:17 PM
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Damn bro what's your PR?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:25 PM
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According to the current definition of "gender", you can change your gender an infinite amount of times per day and without identifying outwardly as such. Between when I started writing this comment and ended it, I already changed my gender 3,000 times. Nothing outwardly has changed though. Also, you can change your gender without transitioning, so from an outside perspective, nothing has changed nor has to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:47 PM
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Well I can’t argue for other dudes but I will say that the advantage men have by going abroad is obvious. Whatever awesome scale there is, you will be more awesome abroad where the standard of living is lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:56 AM
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We are going to disagree that displaying sexuality is a minor difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:44 AM
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Yes it’s different lol I flirt with my dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:29 AM
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There is a difference between: these women love these men by virtue of them being awesome And, loving these men Again, and obviously, some of these men who marry foreign women find reciprocal love, others don't. love these men by virtue of them being awesome And to be clear, sometimes this happens to many American men - happens to a lot of US military members. They are, relatively speaking, "awesome" relative to the local men around whatever village many foreign women are from. That being said, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:29 PM
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Kind of not really. Basically treat most people as similar to yourself or the people you know, and more often than not you'll find something cool about them. The difference between how I treat my mom when we go out to dinner compared to a first date or my fiancé or my wife is massive despite the fact that they have similar DNA. The differences are so stark because our brains focus on them, but more so because we try to formulate our social outcomes based on these differences. (Talk about footbal…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:16 PM
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I tend purple in my opinion. These women don’t love these men? This is not what you argued. You argued that "these women love these men by virtue of them being awesome." This is obviously different than merely loving these men. Obviously, some men who marry foreign women find reciprocal love, others don't. Are you going to link to the evidence of your claim or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:13 PM
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If you’re not red pill what are you? There are blue pill, red pill, pink, black and purple pill users on this sub. So no one’s saying these women love these men by virtue of them being awesome Link me to this. I'd like to see it because I would also argue against them if that is what is being said. I don’t know why y’all do it but this whole “ I’m getting a foreign bride!’ Let them be happy. Who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:27 PM
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because she just saw what no one else could. I don't think anyone is saying that. Can you link me to where this is being said? They’re willing to be what these men desire them to be because it’s an exchange. I don't think anyone is denying this. However, all relationships are an exchange. Relationships are foundationally an exchange for companionship. ‘gotcha’ no one cares. Idk you seem to care a lot, tbh or at least you are doing a poor job of convincing me you don't care. Can you give me some …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 05:48 PM
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I just love how she looks like the quintessential insecure frumpy promiscuous looking girl. If this story was a book, I could not cast a better actor to play this woman in the movie adaptation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:40 PM
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Yeah, it's not a big deal. Happens a lot in the military too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:38 PM
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This advice is for people that quickly make a judgement that someone like their boss Well your argument has boiled down to "this works if you are socially inept." Which is much different than the OP or what you first response with. so different and unrelatable I don't think understanding our differences makes us unrelatable. would be very different from their mother They have very different goals and dynamics with yourself and therefore require different strategies to form relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:37 PM
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Especially if they're older than you, they may want to take care of you, and "raise" you career wise. This advice goes fine without the comparison to my mother though. The issue is that this goes without being said... I know my boss is a human. Maybe he is an individual that is nurturing or maybe he is an asshole. You could even compare him to an ape, which he is 98.8% alike genetically. It's just not very helpful? If the boss is nurturing then you need to take advantage of that. If he is an ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:14 PM
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We only really care about differences because that is all that really matters. I don't really care that my mother and my boss are 99.99% biologically identical. All human beings are 99.9 percent identical in their genetic makeup. Knowing this, how does that help me in my career? Telling me that my mother and my boss are 99.9% identical is useless information for me to excel in my career.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 03:35 PM
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Would be insightful to see a breakdown of religious leanings in men who marry foreign women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 03:27 PM
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There are certainly cultural differences in women from other countries especially considering the religious stance many of these women have. To act like they are no different from western promiscuous women, who are often non-religious, is disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 03:13 PM
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I literally can’t find a single red pill thread where they are talking about wolves in relation to “alpha.” Red pill is nearly entirely concerned with evo psych and therefore are exclusively talking about primates. So please, link me this thread where they are comparing humans to wolves. If it’s so numerous, you surely can find one. I found three talking about primates.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:43 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3algk0/lessons_from_evolutionary_psychology_traits_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:42 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/39p3dl/lots_of_rp_knowledge_in_this_study_on_gorillas/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:41 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/34675k/alpha_male_strategies_we_can_learn_a_lot_from_our/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:40 AM
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Link me this talk about wolves. I’ve only seen them talk about chimp hierarchies
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 07:05 PM
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If an atomic bomb vaporized everyone you think she’d still be with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 08:19 PM
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• Telling a white lie about your life, such as slightly embellishing your job description or hobbies to come across as more exciting/unique. "White lies" are moral by definition, no? I thought the idea of "white lie" is a non-immoral lie. That being said, any good story-teller or comedian will embellish stories whether by facial and body language, suspenseful pause, etc... Also you don't really have to put down anyone to make yourself look better. Just be better and that has the same effect anyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:00 PM
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Gender would not exist as a concept if you could not generalize it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:55 PM
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Link this. I am eagerly waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:45 AM
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Entitlement is a funny word in the way so many use it with regards to dating. If a man shows any ill will toward a women after he was rejected, that’s “entitlement.” I would guess the vast majority of relationships engage in this behavior though. Take your gf out to a nice valentines dinner and when you get home, jerk off and go to sleep. She’s obviously going to be mean towards you for that but does that make her “entitled” or is “entitlement” justified? The word is so moralized that you’ll nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 06:24 PM
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Primatologists always referred to the dominate male/female in their respective hierarchies. It’s impossible to talk about social structures in chimps, gorillas, etc.. without talking about the dominate male and female. Please.. show me this red pill post comparing themselves to wolves. I think you’re new here or haven’t read much RP posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 04:49 AM
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For sure, the social game is very important. It’s not about perpetually and constantly domineering everyone in the group. RP calls this “comforting” or some shit. You can’t just domineer people all the time, you also have to comfort them. Not sure what this has to do with wolves or my comment though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 04:12 AM
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This is just a bad attitude. I think you should always strive for better. You don't really know what is "unachievable" anyway. If you wanted to be good at basketball and joined a gym and got a coach, not sure if you should hold yourself to the standard of an NBA player, but to your OP: ruggedly handsome, white, etc., and at the same time be perfect emotionally - always confident, never nervous or anxious or shy, never get angry, etc., ...this would be analogous to basketball footwork, shot techn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:53 PM
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I’m not RP and I am kind to many single moms. I don’t really “respect” strangers though or any particular group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:17 PM
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No….They don’t want to make them a wife. They will fuck plenty of single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:12 PM
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It's a little hyperbolic, but many liberal women consider themselves considerably better for having an education and a white collar job even if it's in recruiting and pays less than blue collar jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:56 PM
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Why do people always bring up that wolf study when RP men are clearly referencing primates considering their evo-psych beliefs? https://news.janegoodall.org/2018/07/10/top-bottom-chimpanzee-social-hierarchy-amazing/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:55 PM
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THE ONLY WAY for a woman to be TRULY HAPPY is by marrying and having kids. Tradcon is not "RP." To your point, you don't really want to fuck homeless, addicts (except maybe coke club sluts), handicapped or the mentally ill and abused. Your OP is analogous to asking a shipbuilder why he refuses work on airplanes as some sort of 'gotcha.' RP is solely focused on fucking hot women, not homeless men. "Why do these people who only talk about strategies on fucking hot women never talk about handicappe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:51 PM
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Now you’re just being childish because you have nothing left to argue lol I’m leaving for the mountain for the long weekend. You can have the last word about how much better you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:44 AM
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Yeah of course being attractive causes insecurity. Sounds like you just want to dunk on men looking for advice and looking for the psychological reasons why that advice works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:37 AM
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Okay? That does not mean you have to do all those dread tactics in order to facilitate dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:25 AM
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That’s active dread that some RP men advise sure. I never did that when I was in a relationship but it works well when you are casually seeing someone and if it’s known that you’re not exclusive then I don’t see anything wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:17 AM
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Yes. I don’t think you should drown your partner in comfort. When she feels insecure that you are attractive just give her a dose of a reminder that you chose her and continue to. Your partner will NEVER be completely secure because of you being attractive will always turn them back to insecurity. Has it been 4 comments. Are you going to talk about yourself again?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:11 AM
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Yes correct. Read my comment again. Of course you should comfort an insecure partner. That’s not a bad thing. Nor is being attractive which made them feel insecure to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:05 AM
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We are talking about RP concepts not your own made up concepts that bastardize red pill concepts lol What do you think is meant by doses of comfort? Of course your should comfort an insecure partner. It’s not a bad thing to comfort someone when they feel insecure because you are attractive. https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/7wb1dz/passive_dread_be_the_prize/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf All that is requires for “dread” is being the prize ie being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:02 AM
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You’re making up your own concepts of what RP considers dread. Again, you’re misunderstanding what they are writing. They explicitly state that the mere act of self improvement will create dread in the general sense. Maybe not to the most secure of specific women, but yes in the general sense. Also please stop talking about yourself for 4 comments. Can we try that? On the fifth comment you can talk all about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:56 AM
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Again, according to TRP, merely always improving creates and cultivates dread. So… you do not have a problem with cultivating dread according to RP, you have a problem with specific strategies of cultivating dread like doses of comfort. Which btw is to avoid spiraling due to active dread, not passive according to RP literature. I think lots of dating strategies are “manipulative” btw. But I’m not going to stop improving myself just because it manipulated the feelings and creates dread in some wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:47 AM
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“Doses of comfort” is not all encompassing of dread. Again, according to TRP, merely always improving creates and cultivates dread. So you don’t have a problem with cultivating dread according to RP, you have a problem with specific strategies of cultivating dread according to RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:41 AM
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Okay? I am happy for you. However many women are insecure. I’d argue that most are backed by various studies. Youre mad at TRP for telling men to be hot but only because of the correct logic that it makes insecure women treat them better lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:37 AM
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Humans being insecure because their partner is attractive is normal human behavior. TRP is just putting words to the concept of why becoming more attractive makes your partner treat you better and hence why you should do this. It sounds like you are upset that TRP is spelling out why you should strive to be attractive in order to be treated better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:29 AM
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Again, if your partner is insecure about you being attractive, how is it your responsibility to be less attractive? Is it not the responsibility of the partner to seek help for their insecurities? If being attractive to garner better treatment is “manipulative” then everything or nothing is manipulative. You shouldn’t stop becoming more attractive just because your partner is insecure lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:25 AM
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Read what is written in the article. Working out and looking better results in passive dread according to TRP. Being attractive results in giving your partner dread. Competence, physical prowess, creative intelligence, dominance, social proof and preselection are the metric by which we rate a man’s respectability. You refuse to correct your misunderstanding of what TRP says about dread. The responsibility is not on men to stop improving the above just to make women feel better about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:12 AM
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So you did misunderstand the concept. Why do have this captain save a hoe mindset? You clearly give a shit about men getting laid by insecure women, why lie? Who cares if two insecure people are fucking? If men get treated better for being attractive then it’s not on men to stop being attractive for the sake of insecure women. You have your priorities backwards. It’s not the responsibility of attractive people to become less attractive to make insecure people feel better about themselves. What a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:03 AM
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Yea you did as you explicitly called it something you cultivate. When it is actually something that is often passive. You still have an answered what you want men to do if women treat them better as they continually become more attractive .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:53 AM
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There are two links and many comments. That’s besides the point as your comment address the dynamic widely, not just in relationships. I posed the links as you had a misunderstanding of dread, not to change the subject to solely relationships. Regardless, it still applies and the question remains. If a my wife treats me better the more attractive I am, then why should I stop becoming more attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:46 AM
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If some casual fling is insecure, then why is that my problem? Is it my responsibility to “fix” her according to your standards? Would your life improve if I fixed this woman’s personality flaws you seem so concerned over? If a woman treats me better the more attractive I am then why exactly should I stop becoming more attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:17 AM
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It’s just fact of the matter about what happens to women when society collapses accounting to historical account. The likelihood of society collapsing is besides the point and not relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:02 AM
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Elaborate on why giving a historical account gave you that reaction? I wouldn’t want to be a woman because I don’t want to be taken as a sex slave. The point being that I’d rather die as a dude defending my family and property rather than be taken as a sex slave lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:56 PM
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Yeah and my original comment suggested that women show an apparent lack of care. But yeah, as a woman I'd be more worried about poor men than incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:52 PM
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What are you even saying to me and why? What makes you think I want society to collapse and a bunch of rapists running around?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:44 PM
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Well I don't think that would lead to a revolution. Societal collapse will cause the lower classes to turn on the rich. But anyway, what are you talking about? We were never discussing which is more likely to lead to what, but what would actually happen to women if society collapsed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:30 PM
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We were discussing a collapsing society, which yes would include that. What do you think will happen? This is what has been shown to happen without a police force and an abolishment of institutions. The US is not in danger of imminent population collapse unless the right gets its way with immigration. I’m which case it’s a self inflicted wound. Yeah, I agree with that. The US is well-positioned to maintain population stability out of all other western and eastern nations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:21 PM
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It's the ones not on the internet that you have to be worried about. Cletus and Jamal, the strange bedfellows, teaming up and going door to door through higher end communities cackling in awe as they rip through the place realizing a house dog has it's own room when they never even had their own bed. Honestly, it's never in anyone's interest to discuss because it's uncomfortable and makes for bad conversation. Reminds me of watching The 100 with my girlfriend. Nobody interested in the fact that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:06 PM
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Honestly would rather be a dude in a collapsing society. Women don't fare well in a collapsing society. Look what happened to women in Berlin in 1945 or the Punic people after Rome conquered Carthage. Preventing societal collapse should be in women's best interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 09:47 PM
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Which is kinda not giving men enough credit to be honest. Yeah, I think that's the point of RP. Most men are "betas." Dread is something per TRP you actively cultivate. You need to read more TRP if you think that. https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/7wb1dz/passive_dread_be_the_prize/ https://therationalmale.com/tag/passive-dread/ It is manipulative. No one should do it. I would only agree with that if your definition of 'manipulative' includes knowingly cultivating both physically a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 09:36 PM
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No, per TRP, dread means consciously reminding someone that you have options There is active and passive dread. You don't have to explicity remind anyone of anything. Just by maintaining/gaining status and attraction to other women creates dread. It's essentially the baseline of how men feel about their gf's, dreading any attention paid to their gf's by other men because they know she can so easily walk away. Men acknowledge it works because men know how well it works on keeping men insecure and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 08:14 PM
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But when you break them up into their proper socio-economic backgrounds, you see a very clear distinction between the poor and the educated wealthy. I agree. I think it's even very possible that women from lower SES are more violent than men from higher SES. https://youtu.be/FliJTGOQ0fQ?t=8
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 04:05 PM
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Unlikely. They will instead try to incentivize married couples and kids rather than a tax on bachelors. Taxes are widely seen as punishments and so, incentives are easier to pass legislation. There is already an economic benefit of being married and living together so in way, single people are "taxed" in some sense of the word but I think it is unlikely that a true tax will be applied any time soon, at least in our lifetime. The economics of being married are quite favorable. From economies of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 03:37 PM
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Don't play the lotto, invest instead. Think of it like putting money towards speculative investments. It's money you can afford to lose but you are not necessarily "expecting" to lose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 04:53 PM
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I don't assume I will be rejected because that's like assuming you are going to lose a fight or a wrestling match. It's the wrong mindset to have. I believe that losing is inevitable in the general sense, but not individually. Also, have to take the wins with the losses. Losing is not the end of the world and shouldn't stop you from trying. Additionally, you often learn more from your losses than your wins. There is nothing to learn from pinning a freshman in 30 seconds, similarly to bringing ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:24 PM
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I don't think this sub talks about very happy things, but sometimes we get a positivity thread. It's biased towards gripes people have. That being said, I am genuinely happy about my life! Just built my first home, got a nice little bowrider, and got my PPL over covid. Probably the best three years of my life. As a dude here, you are often accused of being a raging incel as default due to the nature of the topics of the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:02 PM
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I can be attracted to a pretty wide variety of women. Preference is different I suppose, but mere attraction? Pretty easy to find myself attracted to varying niches of women. Being only ever attracted to a very specific type of person feels strange to me. I think it would limit my opportunity and takes sex way too seriously. Think about the difference between the gay male dating scene and straight tinder dating. Gay men are far less discriminatory about who they are attracted to. While there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 02:43 PM
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The main reason I bring this up is because conservatives and progressives fundamentally disagree on "human nature" with regards to how much people can control their darker desires, how inherently evil they are if let free and how much they should be kept in check. It goes beyond that. Progressives often disbelieve the general theory that humans have gender specific nature. Dispelling blank slate theory comments is a common theme of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 05:33 PM
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I understand what you are saying, but.. 1) the average american woman is fat and ugly and 2) it would make bad content. Honestly, taking the average American woman and interviewing her would probably also reinforce RP beliefs, but in a less entertaining way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:30 PM
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This sub? Entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 04:30 PM
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You can’t determine that from any specific life. The fact that you think the poor believe they would rather be dead and are not worth living is telling and is honestly a troubling genocidal belief. You should think deeply about how you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:50 AM
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This philosophy never made sense to me. By that logic, we should genocide the poor or anyone deemed to have a "poor" quality of life. It is obvious to any philosopher that some awkwardness later in life is worth life itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:19 PM
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An “abortion” would just go into a test tube instead of the trash. There is no longer any valid philosophical reason to terminate a human life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:13 PM
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Right, correct. I honestly doubt these advances are anywhere near reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:53 PM
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No. https://www.google.com/search?q=breeding&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS874US889&oq=breeding&aqs=chrome..69i57j35i39j0i131i433l2j0i131i433i512j0i512j0i131i433i512j0i433i512l2j0i512.903j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Breeding is production of the offspring. The production happens mostly outside of the woman in this case. She is by definition not breeding, nor gestating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:52 PM
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You wouldn't be "breeding" anything considering artificial wombs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 03:50 PM
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I wonder what it would do to the abortion debate as there would be otherwise no reason to terminate a fetus.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:48 PM
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This is a consequence of how women treat each other. They call each other beautiful not because they put much thought into artistic beauty, but more because it makes the other person feel better about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 08:47 PM
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China is grappling with population collapse and really needs women to have more children. The west can be pro-feminism due our systems being more attractive to immigrants so that we get a steady supply of labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:24 PM
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It's a certain type of woman though. The type that wants to wait to have sex, wants him to commit first, etc... is not really invited because they are not the vibe. This is why these men often simply hire prostitutes instead. That way everyone knows the rub and there are no ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:01 PM
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What is this formatting? Can you try and respond more clearly? Use quotes and replies. as for the WFH shift, its a problem born of another problem, really - and it really does blur the line between the two, investment in tech that makes sure “you’re actually working” (AKA surveillance) has increased, and soon enough employers will start praying on their employees by using the “well you’re home anyway” excuse. Well sure, but that is hardly a consequence of capitalism. If you worked for a communis…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:59 PM
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because of personality To be fair, a lot of those women are actually very fun to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:51 PM
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These are not necessarily consequences of capitalism. In a communist society, the working class would want social media and for it to run as efficient as possible. Also, the idea that workers would not opt to work at home is incorrect. Many would if given the opportunity as we so now. The WFH shift is not due to big business demanding it for profits, but from workers having the leverage to demand it in midst of a labor supply crunch that allows them more relative power over their employers. Iron…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:39 PM
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? Nobody is fooled as to why hot women are naked and chilling on yachts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:26 PM
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I mean don’t be hyperbolic just because your assumptions are wrong but yeah, the dude is unlikely to be a super model and probably struggles for work for very little pay as do the vast majority of male models.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 12:07 AM
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Models very often are from lower socioeconomic statuses. The male models I knew in New York lived like gypsies. Studio apartments filled with only clothes they got for free and a futon and actually came from poor families. Are you thinking of super models? because lots of male models are addicts…have to do gay porn to make ends meet and are very often trashy people. Fun dudes though lol and yes.. a ton of trashy people dated them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:57 PM
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Again, OP was talking about attractive people without regard for trashiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:02 PM
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Well firstly, I only see OP talk about attractiveness which there are attractive or unattractive trashy and non-trashy people alike. And secondly, I am responding to a specific comment not OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:18 PM
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I mean I don't for sure, but your comment above assumes these people don't exist which makes your statement false at worst and misleading at best. There are literally millions of deeply insecure and trashy women who put up with abuse regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:11 PM
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Okay? Whether or not it is a red pill is besides the point. I am asking her why she is starting with that premise to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:11 PM
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Uhh girls being ruined by sex is a Red Pill thing though I don't give a shit what red pill thing it is or you think it is. Why does that mean you have to agree with that premise??
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:06 PM
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Well first, you did not say "generally" so don't lie. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/29/girls-low-self-esteem-rising-girlguiding-report Secondly, it's hardly general. Something like 33% of women have self-esteem issues. Your original comment implies it's uncommon. It's really not. Both men and women quite regularly get into shitty relationships with shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:50 PM
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Right but that defeats your statement. There are literally millions of people with low self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:43 PM
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These people weren’t even hot… so no. Lots of trashy average people date other trashy average people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:42 PM
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Yeah, your daughters gonna get her heart broken. This idea that sex is immeasurably damaging to only girls (but you don’t have to worry about your sons) is a hilarious form of sexism that I commonly see from bloops. It’s as if they are religious conservatives and think girls are ruined by sex. The only different is bloops think it’s psychological and not judgement by god. Your daughter is gonna be fine lol everyone gets their heart broken. In fact, she’ll probably pump and dump and break more me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:39 PM
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Maybe when they get older. I’ve seen young men and women both put up with a lot of shit for an extremely extended period.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:32 PM
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Garbage personality dudes bang all the time. Both women and men regularly date abusive partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:26 PM
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My SO says red pill shit all the time about women. Lots of the tenets hardly controversial it you use nicer words. Dads dread game moms simply by going to the gym while she gets fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:19 PM
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How is Russia a self-sufficient economy independent of western markets when Russia relies almost solely on western markets to export commodities to maintain a functioning economy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:40 AM
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For sure you should be using them but I disagree it’s enough. Ultimately it’s up to your risk tolerance and therefore prerogative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:29 AM
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Prostitutes have casual sex too. Condoms are not good enough alone, really. Testing is good to do but not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:38 PM
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Lots of men choose prostitutes for causal sex. It’s not uncommon, at all. NBA stars, celebs and businessmen do it all the time. Sometimes to keep the sex on the DL from their wives, other times because it’s more enjoyable from a professional. Other times because it’s strictly understood to be casual. Also, condoms are not necessarily effective at protecting against STIs but you already know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 08:49 PM
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Why ask the question then? Or why not accept the answer that contraceptives' are a women's right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 05:36 PM
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Or you can just say what you mean by women’s rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 05:21 PM
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I don't anymore but I used to. That's besides the point for many STDs though. I still wouldn't risk it with a prostitute even if she is offering her services for free, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:16 PM
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It also matters if you are looking for something short term. If you are looking for a hookup, you don't really want the health risk of a girl that has been with 100 other guys in that month, nor do you want someone inexperienced to the point where she immediately bonds to you when you are only looking for something casual. It all matters, really. It often just depends on how it matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 02:59 PM
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Again, what do you mean by women’s rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:36 AM
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Sure, but again “women’s rights” don’t exist if transwomen are women. So what do you mean by women’s rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:50 AM
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Men can get pregnant too. What’s your point? Looks like there are only human rights. What would you define as “women’s rights” without being transphobic?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:10 PM
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You implied NSFW pics, and it's not like you said you post pics of your dogs. I feel like it's not a stretch to assume they were nudes lol I think you don’t think there’s a problem with men who over simp, but there is. I for sure do and I'm not sure why you think I don't....and you still haven't answered my question...I am still left wondering why you post these pics despite the fact that you find the responses annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:16 PM
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The same concept is when people say those who try to be alpha are inherently not alpha. That's just BP shaming techniques. The most "alpha" men I know, ex MMA guys, college wrestlers, retired military, have all trained literally their entire lives to be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:03 PM
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Lady what? That was clearly a joke. You asked the question about women’s right. What I gave you is clearly a “woman’s right.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:17 PM
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Well it's a right, not a "woman's right" because as we all know men can get pregnant. Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects the liberty of married couples to buy and use contraceptives without government restriction. Seven years later, Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438 (1972) extended Griswold’s holding to unmarried people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:12 PM
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Curious as to why you share free nudes if not to feel good about yourself and receive positive feedback? If you find the positive feedback annoying then why even post?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:38 PM
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The courts care primarily for the well-being of the child, in both cases of the rape baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:25 PM
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They're gonna getcha! Your dooming can't be mentally healthy. Get rights codified into laws.. don't know what else to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:19 PM
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Nobody forces a man to cum inside of a woman and impregnate her. Least obvious rape denial PPD commenter. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support Male rape victims pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:14 PM
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Seven years later, Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438 (1972) extended Griswold’s holding to unmarried people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:02 PM
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Well it looks like they are going to dissolve the discrimination against Asians but you are free to live your life dooming that they are coming for you eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:00 PM
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Well there will always be interpretation required, but it's not like codifying a legal right to abortion as an amendment can't be written clearly. Sure, there may be a judge that interprets that amendment as a picture of a chicken's ass, but that's the risk we all take. There's no real other alternative. Your "rights" exist insofar as much as a functioning government exists too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:42 PM
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It is still a "right" (until it isn't). I personally prefer to legislate rights instead of relying on judges to interpret what rights you have. "Rights" should not exist outside codifying them into the constitution via our legislative process.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:37 PM
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Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects the liberty of married couples to buy and use contraceptives without government restriction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:13 PM
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I think what you are missing is the fact that RP men are doing what is best for them individually. Spinning plates while young and then marrying some tradcon wife when they are older when spinning plates is no longer viable or all that accessible to do. This is not traditionalism or social conservatism as those two things pertain to an ideology of what is best for society, not the individual. If they adhered to traditionalism, they wouldn’t spin plates as according to that ideology, it would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:05 PM
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I mean I throw shade at drug addicts too. I think criticism towards unhealthy parts of our society is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:33 PM
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I have a fat coworker I do feel bad for because she keeps getting these crushes on dudes in the office and then crushed when they don’t reciprocate. I do kinda feel bad for them even though I also throw shade at obese people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:10 PM
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I will concede one scenario where a guy finds out he and the woman are not compatible in the bedroom after they spend time there together. I would argue that fairly rare however. I disagree. Most men from my experience will explicitly express interest, casually date for a little while, and then break up with her. There is no deception, obfuscation or omission required and doing all that is honestly the harder route. Why take the harder route of playing some game when you can simply express inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 07:11 PM
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knew she had basically 0% chance of a relationship I agree that we all operate with imperfect information, but...it's a self-defeating mentality to think the above. Imagine if every time a man approached woman he internalized "I have a 0% chance of being with this woman." This is just not the attitude you should really carry if you want to maintain any sort of confidence in yourself. The woman would probably be better off thinking he has no chance of a relationship with her, rather than believin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:48 PM
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A childhood friend married a girl right out of HS. He didn't have any money for a ring but she did (or her parents), so they split it or came to some kind of joint deal on the purchase. Anyway, they ultimately broke up and I know there was some kind of dispute about the ring. I wasn't really involved closely to know how it concluded but I believe each just wanted the $ they put into it, which is not exactly how the diamond market works lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:39 PM
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I think most states do... Only had the motivation to look up NY and VA for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:25 PM
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In Virginia, the state's Supreme Court ruled in December 2016 that the engagement ring is a conditional gift, and should be returned to the giver. New York law requires the recipient to return the ring to the person who gave it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:06 PM
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Agreed. I like restaurants too much
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:06 PM
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You have me multiple lists? Yes, I linked you multiple posts that list what women find attractive about in "alpha men" and why they like sex with them, hence multiple lists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:46 PM
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I gave you multiple lists already that you refuse to read. I can't help that you feel creeped out by being told to seek the answers you want. It's clear that you don't even want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:41 PM
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You are embarrassing yourself. I can't help that you feel creeped out by being told to seek the answers you want. and lady, I'm married and not red pill lol I just happen to know what they actually believe. You know... that women like sex with attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:30 PM
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Healthy people don't freak out at being told to seek the answers they are searching for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:27 PM
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I am asking you to ask redpillers the question since you don't believe me... If you feel creeped out by that then I think that is your mental illness speaking. Healthy people don't freak out at being told to seek the answers they are searching for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:25 PM
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Just google red pill sidebar if you want to know the tenets: https://www.google.com/search?q=red+pill+sidebar&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS874US889&oq=red+pill+side&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j69i57j0i512j0i22i30l7.3578j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 The sidebar does not change... it's like their bible. I have asked different red pillers to explain what their biggest gripes are and what we can do do help? Make the Q4RP post and you will see your answers without conflating blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:21 PM
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I mean judging by your history, and dishonest interest in actually understanding RP tenets, you clearly are not the type. I don't believe you are this unintelligent to think that RP believes that women do not enjoy sex with hot men. You are just sulking and being stubborn
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:10 PM
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I don't even know what you're trying to convey because it's so damn confusing and contradictory. I know you're not the type to make a submission post but maybe you should make submit a Q4RedPill: "Do hot women enjoy sex with attractive men"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:04 PM
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So you do admit that RP states that women want to have sex with attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:57 PM
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because of money, height and body type. You understand...the RP argument...is that...women find those traits sexually attractive right?? Literally why else would women prefer sex with tall, attractive men? What are you even saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:52 PM
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Suggesting you have to have trawled through TRP Reddit page to be qualified to debate on these topics is obtuse. You have such a fundamentally wrong opinion though, it doesn't even make sense. They literally believe that women like sex from "alpha men." That is like the most basic RP shit. How could you not know this? You know very well most women on here are not going to expose themselves to that vitriol Most women on here actually do understand that RP believes women like sex with alpha men...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:44 PM
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Lady if your delicate sensibilities can't handle to read what they are saying then how do you even have an opinion of what they are saying? how women don’t enjoy sex and I’m lying if I say they do. Blackpill Redpill is very clear that women like sex with "alpha men."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:35 PM
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Yeah your view is a little biased because 1) you don't even read the forum and have formed an opinion on it outside of understanding it's tenets and 2) you are conflating blackpill with redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:26 PM
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….old Reddit just means the old Reddit version instead of the new one. Well if you are here to learn then congrats, you’ve learned something today.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:16 PM
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So yeah, for sure RP talks about pleasuring women. Despite your conflating blackpill with RP, their obsession with height and status is because those things are pleasurable to women in men. You may disagree with the RP idea of what pleasures women, but it's impossible to argue that they don't talk about how to pleasure women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:01 PM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/mwno56/easy_ways_to_have_mutually_magnificent_sex/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:59 PM
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Discussing how to give women good orgasms: https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7p008k/how_to_give_a_woman_an_orgasm/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:58 PM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1mbfus/study_shows_that_husbands_who_do_more_housework/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:58 PM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1wrhqq/woman_confirms_that_nice_guy_behavior_is_a_turn/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:57 PM
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I'll link dump you RP discussing what is pleasurable to women. https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/772ai8/emotional_stability_is_a_turn_on_for_women/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:56 PM
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I mean scroll down in the conversation. The whole conversation is about the things those types of women find pleasurable. And really?? RP never discusses what turns women on and what keeps coming them back? I can link dump you if you want. Your opinion may be that what they think turns women on is incorrect but the idea that they don't talk about what turns women on and what is pleasurable for them is obviously ridiculous. That is basically all they talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:41 PM
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From my experience, it's bashful jealously/insecurity sometimes, other times it's a form of light negging/humor. "you got hoes?," "how many hoes you have," [phone rings] "probably one of your sluts." I don't think they truly believe it is necessarily easy but it is sometimes how humans process jealously, insecurity and express humor. Either way it's typically light-hearted, but yeah jealously processes and is expressed in this way sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:09 PM
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disgust towards people who do this kind of stuff, and that includes women, not to mention a dude. Curious, do you then assume gay men are generally disgusting? Here are the stats : (estimated that 80.0% of gay men practiced anal intercourse, and 20.0% never engaged in it at all )
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:36 PM
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I think it's an interesting strategy because there is no difference to the audience between someone who lies about wanting a relationship just to have sex and then breakup and someone who simply changed their mind after sex about what they wanted and broke up. The girls who say this have typically been burned by both. Makes me think that she either 1) thinks way too morally about sex in some way and 2) lots of men changed their mind about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:27 PM
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Come on. Give me another comment before you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:48 PM
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Next time you make blanket statements remember how they linguistically apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 04:54 PM
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Bro this is how dialogue and conversation works. Just because you painted yourself in a corner and are now defensive doesn’t mean you have to act like conversations between two people never evolve by discussing anecdotes. Have you ever lived as a human? You made a generalized blanket statement about friendship and I’m responding to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:53 PM
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I did and we are having a separate conversation about my friend in college in response to your claim. This is how conversation works.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:45 PM
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Why are you assuming these two people are not attracted to each other? You are making up the scenario now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:33 PM
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Dude nobody is claiming sex is required for friendship. I am asking you why such a negotiated arrangement NEGATES a friendship as you have claimed. You can absolutely be friends with a girl who gives you blowjobs for help with her homework. Sex is not a big deal. It does not necessarily mean anything. It can be seen, philosophically, as no different of an act as cooking someone dinner for doing you a favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:12 PM
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But the fucking enhances the friendship. You can absolutely negotiate that arraignment with a genuine friend. You still haven’t explained why negotiating that arrangement negates a friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:49 AM
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You’re still not explaining why. I’ve had friends who I fucked and helped out. It was generally understood that I would help her with her homework and then fuck. She was a good friend too. Quid pro quo friends exist and there are not uncommon at all. Why was she not a “genuine friend” according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:36 AM
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Yes? You can be genuine friends with someone you fuck for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:41 AM
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One more sweet sweet c0pe comment as Russia retreats wholesale from Kherson? https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukrainian-forces-move-into-key-town-north-of-kherson-11667991035
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:44 PM
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People go to bars, clubs, the gym, many places just to meet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 04:39 PM
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Joke or not, your questioning still implies you are asking about what a specific individual would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:32 PM
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So what happens if you refuse to work? What if you just decide to break up with labor? Be single for awhile? What happens? Your line of questioning implies it is about an individual as you continue the line of questioning by asking if the person would "be single for a while."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:29 PM
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That is the question you literally asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:25 PM
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Not a woman, so how is that relevant to your question about what I would do??
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:24 PM
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The shelters would sure be available for me though. It's very easy to refuse to work in western nations and still survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:20 PM
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That's true because they refuse to accept state providing housing due to the drug and pet policies amongst other things. However, you have to remember your own line of questioning: So what happens if you refuse to work? I'm implying what I would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 05:55 PM
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, because capitalism needs workers to keep it alive, Every society needs workers to survive. If you had a communist society of 100,000 people all aged 50 and a zero birth rate, in 25 years you will have no workers and only pensioners. The only society that doesn't need an active birthrate is one where technological productivity increases to offset the decline in worker productivity due to fewer workers, OR a post-scarcity society where AI and robotics are advanced enough that we don't need "work…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:24 PM
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So what happens if you refuse to work? What happens if you refuse to work according to Marx?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:10 PM
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So what happens if you refuse to work? There are plenty of homeless people in Cali who refuse to work and eat on taxpayers dime and sleep in voucher obtained apartments and hotels.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:09 PM
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Can you give me some new sweeet c0pe comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:26 AM
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Can I get an updated c0pe comment to start my weekend?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 10:46 PM
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I would say you’re wrong just for the fact that so many women use sex as a form of self harm. So many of the women in my past were using promiscuity as some kind of c0ping mechanism for some kind of mental instability.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 03:13 AM
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Well but they do? Act and dress like a cute little twink and see how many women want to date you. The simple fact of the matter is that masculine and feminine gender roles dictate a fair amount of your dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 03:16 PM
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You don’t do RP talk yet here you are on PPD where we debate RP terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 03:19 AM
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Call it owoguwu if helps your delicate sensibilities. Owoquwu is quite common.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:44 PM
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I’m not RP and it’s hardly a unique RP thought that people settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:16 AM
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You don’t know many women then. Both women and mens preferences change pretty drastically. Beta bucks settling is pretty common, even. The idea that women don’t and instead find a better compatible mate outside of the office world is even more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:11 AM
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Again, I think most people adjust their attitude as they get older. It’s just the natural progress of dating preferences as someone matured. If individual white collar women don’t want to date them then that’s fine but don’t act like it’s not a solution to their dating woes. The prompt is what should these women do. The fact that some stay single is besides the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:49 AM
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It's what women say to men so they have hope including mothers. Women are conflict avoidant. They aren't going to call you an ugly fuck and tell you that you are doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:15 PM
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You cannot be this dense. The truckers and oil riggers you mentioned are not moving to Westchester or Greenwich. I also gave an example of a plumber. And yes there are many oil service job and trucking jobs in NYC too. Anyway, are you autistic? Do you think that when people give you an example you think they mean that is the only example? The plumber isn’t looking for Ms. Middle Management— he’ll likely find her obnoxious and look down at her for being a corporate stooge. I know a couple like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:11 PM
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It’s likely not about the money, but about the social and cultural values. Yeah, correct. I completely agree with you here. A woman working in some dull HR corporate job in NY isn’t going to want to date or have children with a man who expects her to move with him to rural America or who refers to her preferred hometown as “not real America”. I didn't mean some dude who wants to move to rural America. More like move to the hudson valley or westchester or CT so he can continue to work his union j…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 04:28 PM
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How could you seen this happened? Because I have female friends in the corporate world? Not sure what you want me to say here. Do you want their number or like an interview with them? She ain't going to date some blue collar man when being told she be better off single. Does this happen? Yes. Does this also not happen? Also yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:03 PM
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they’ve climbed the ladder to be in the “high” position? The issue is also that they perceive themselves to have done this. In reality, they are just mid level HR managers, or doing comms and marketing or even worse they are recruiters lol ...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:56 PM
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Because having a biz means you already have the capital and you take proper risks to be financially free Most business fail and take the life savings of those who invested in them with it. But anyway, maybe I didn't articulate my thoughts clear enough. The point being that even if he was not a business owner, corporate women have this snoot attitude that they are automatically better than anyone who doesn't work corporate, despite the fact that they themselves oftentimes have comparable or lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:49 PM
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Being a business owner has higher perceived status Depends what kind of business. I ninja edited, but: One of my first bosses was this guy who only worked in finance until an early retirement at 40 and then moved to florida to open his own dive school. Sure, he has capital but many women still see him as below them even though he is probably worth far more than them on paper. The overarching point is that lots of corpo women have this snoot attitude that they are automatically better than anyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:43 PM
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You'd be surprised. Some white collar women believe dating blue collar is automatically dating down, even if he makes double her HR salary. One of my first bosses was this guy who only worked in finance until an early retirement at 40 and then moved to florida to open his own dive school. Sure, he has capital but many women still see him as below them even though he is probably worth far more than them on paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:40 PM
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I mean, I've seen it happen, but maybe those women are lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:40 PM
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Yes these women see themselves as better. Which is why they often require an attitude adjustment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:13 PM
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Not if she believes he is as good as or better than her and respects his profession. Many of these corp women are middle rung HR people making $60k. Fucking plumbers and truck drivers are making $100k these days. Oil field workers make $200k in some places. And yet these HR girls think dating blue collar is automatically dating down. So again, it’s not really “settling” or “dating down” for these women when they widen their preferences. They are simply no longer only looking within the corporat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:33 AM
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You’re missing the point. A corp woman who dates a small business owner may be dating down to you, but to her, she is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:26 AM
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Really? I think for the undereducated population in general, it's more because it is the easy way to find meaning and self-fulfillment in life. Near everyone can have kids. Not everyone can become self-fulfilled in their dream job of being some geologist at Nat Geo or something, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:12 PM
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I wonder if this is a reason why lower class people have fewer problems finding mates since they are both more dependent on the state instead of a single income earner. Lower classes have dating issues for due to rape, abuse, substance abuse issues, etc... but they don't seem to have an issue actually finding these people. The issues come with dating them after lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:49 PM
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People often say that career women have less men to choose from when they "succeed" It's the women themselves saying it too.... but anyway, I think the best thing to do is to widen your parameters. Be open to dating construction workers, firemen, policemen etc... Men have been dating down for generations but not sure if women can escape their own hypergamy. Whether that is intrinsic to them or is socially constructed, it doesn't really matter. I guess it all depends on how strongly you want to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:10 PM
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That’s just not true at all. Many men play the long game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 08:00 PM
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I think you are fairly unique. A man who just wants sex doesn't only talk about sex all the time. Getting women in the mood, and to trust you etc... will involve talking about many different things other than penises.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 07:27 PM
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I disagree as I’ve been that guy before. Not sure what to tell you. I loved talking and getting to know a girl before sex. The push pull of flirting and getting to know someone is almost as fun as sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 07:17 PM
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Women can easily figure this out You cannot because you are still only just assuming unless he admits lying. My fiance avoided it all by avoiding the men "who didn't know what they want." She calls them the most dangerous of all men. But to her own admission, it is impossible to know, because they will just claim they became uninterested somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:59 PM
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Well upon their further responses from them, it is clear that is what they actually said and meant. "Abandon" can only really mean one thing. If you abandon strawberries, you can't also eat strawberry ice cream lol Also, welcome to PPD I guess. There are plenty of feminists and bloops who come here with blank slate ideologies. Most people purple out eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:46 PM
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Really? The lengths men will go just to have sex is far beyond "ask her about her pet dog" and some other personal things...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:44 PM
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Idk I'm not a woman so I'm not sure how I would approach this dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:43 PM
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Sure this doesn't really answer my question though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:42 PM
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Can't we only assume that a guy is lying to get sex, unless he explicitly admits he was lying? If women ask, the man will respond "I don't know yet and let's just see where this goes." And when they have sex the man will say "well I feel like we are on different pages" or "I just need more time to decide" or simply break things off with her. She is none the wiser if he is lying or not. Unless he confesses, who knows what his honest intentions were? Maybe he legit changed his mind and as we all k…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:34 PM
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It's not even that. If women ask, the man will respond "I don't know yet and let's just see where this goes." And when they have sex the man will say "well I feel like we are on different pages" or "I just need more time to decide" or simply break things off with her. She is none the wiser if he is lying or not. Who knows what his honest intentions were? Maybe he legit changed his mind and as we all know it is okay to withdraw consent at any time. Maybe he legit doesn't know what he wants. Men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:16 PM
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If you were to abandon strawberry, then you couldn't eat strawberry Neapolitan or strawberry frozen yogurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:08 PM
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they’re not going to have the same careful wording as an essay prompt. Abandoning something has a very well-known, universal meaning. No reasonable person thinks abandoning something actually means "sometimes also adding it in." You're just being stubborn because you look silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:00 PM
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Let's do an experiment. Explain women's attraction to male height while abandoning biological explanations. Reasonable people read the prompt above as to abandon any biological explanation. You just feel silly, so you are being stubborn. If the above was a prompt to an essay in college, you would not see biological explanations discussed because they are being abandoned as an explanation per the prompt.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:50 PM
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Honestly, I would fault someone for continuing to date that person even after he was crystal clear about putting her in the fuck zone. It happened recently to a friend of mine. Classic example. She was aging, lower 30's. Really wanted kids soon. He was honest about just fucking around but she fell madly in love with him and would claim to our friend group that she would eventually marry him. The right thing to do here and what he ultimately did, was break up with her. She needed a clean break an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:27 PM
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..and if you abandon that explanation, then you do just that. There is not really much nuance left when you abandon something. You could interpret "abandoning" a reasoning as 'applying it sporadically', but that wouldn't be something any reasonable person would do. "Abandoning" the reasoning as a possibility is pretty absolute.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:58 PM
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I've witnessed so many women disparage their rivals by claiming they look like prostitutes, literal whores, etc.. and it's not because they are claiming those women are goldiggers lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:59 PM
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I’ve had men use porn shit on me. It was unfun. Anyway, I have had women who want porn shit done to them. This is the problem with arguing anecdotes. There are so many damaged, man-focused, insecure women out there in the dating and sex world who vocally claim to want male-focused porn sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:40 PM
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i didnt really see it as them abandoning biology. “abandoning biological explanations for dating behavior” can just mean to abandon explanations that are solely biology. I don't think that is a reasonable interpretation. Abandoning biological explanations for dating behavior is abandoning ALL explanations no matter what extent. Either solely or partially, if you are abandoning biology for the explanation, then you are abandoning it all by definition of the term abandon. That word leaves very lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:39 PM
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yes but it’s a little ridiculous to be 100% sure about some of these things like a lot of people are. Yeah I don't mean to suggest that culture cannot play or role or that it doesn't. This discussion though is about how it's a little ridiculous that people are 100% sure that biology plays NO role and suggests to abandon it altogether. It's like you entered into a discussion about a person you made up in your head instead of the direct conversation above with person who suggested to discard and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:27 PM
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Right they don’t abandon them, correct. That is what this discussion is about. Were you having trouble following the conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:18 PM
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Oof oof oof no. oof big yikes sweaty. Actually curious, do you talk like this in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:06 PM
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Sure, the only way to "prove" it would be a very unethical human experiment. But that is besides the point, most reasonable people, including scientists, believe that biology plays some role. To what extent is up for debate, but it's hardly the case that scientists "abandon biological or evolutionary explanations." Such a step would be wildly unscientific.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:01 PM
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Yeah for sure. I'm sure many BDSM forums have good how-to advice, but not sure that would be considered "porn" even though your work browser probably blocks it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:57 PM
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Plump, but with a definite hourglass shape, and I'm not sure any of these women would be considered fat, nor radically different than the beauty standards of today.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:17 PM
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You're mincing words. Fat, slightly chubby, obese. What next?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:14 PM
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Fat people were considered beautiful years ago, nowadays they aren't. That's not true at all. Obesity was considered upper-class but never beautiful. Romans, Greeks etc.. all made statutes healthy people as idealized forms of beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:02 PM
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Well, there are some humans that want to evolve society past that. If you want to stick to your ape brain and feel too hopeless to put your intellect above what the basic functions of your brain tell you Are you absolutely daft? NOBODY is rejecting the idea that we shouldn't rise above these innate urges. This conversation is about how innate behaviors exist to begin with. In fact, I have only advised the direct opposite - that you should rise above them in the modern world. It's not hopeless at…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:54 PM
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Are you this dense? Yes humans are primates and have comparable biological programming. This is why the obesity rate is what it is. Sugar is literally addictive to primates because of how scarce it is yet produces a ton of fat storage. It’s because if you were running around in the wild and found a natural source of sugar like a berry, you’d want to basically consume as much as possible. It’s so easy to turn humans into fat consumer slobs because we are all dumb primates, not despite it. In fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:46 PM
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That’s not something most reasonable people are willing to do. The idea that all primates have innate male and female mating practices and behaviors in the aggregate, except for humans, is a feminist induced fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:59 AM
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I think “mean” in this context oftentimes just refers to the dude not immediately texting her back anymore. The push-pull flirty banter pre-sex I think was the most entertaining part of hookup culture aside from sex of course. After sex, the relationship goes one or two ways if they guy just wants sex. Breakup or fuck buddies. And not many women really want to be some slam bittie side piece. I think being “mean” is the way many men play this out. The slow fade basically. It’s a little cowardly i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:53 AM
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I mean I did? Looked up very specific how to porn videos. But yeah you’re right, it’s a curve and diminishing returns. It’s not brain surgery. After that one or two videos you start to enter diminishing returns on knowledge learned. “Porn” is probably my the best way to learn but then real experience takes over. Also, young promiscuous women are not like the women on this sub. These young women grew up with porn. Molded by its expectations. There are some nasty bitches out there that absolutely …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:11 AM
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How’s the war, son?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:03 PM
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Send source for these thousands of causalities. You’re going to c0pe through this whole Russian fiasco huh? Kherson? More like Kharkiv.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:00 AM
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Still slowly winning?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 01:19 PM
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That is debatable. According to wiki, In recent years, the term has seen a revival in bioethical discussions on the usage of new technologies such as CRISPR and genetic screening, with a heated debate on whether these technologies should be called eugenics or not. The idea that the term cannot be applied to individual choice is certainly debatable and is currently being debated by researchers in the bioethics field.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 12:37 AM
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No, I want novel responses to my comments. Tell someone else this who needs to hear it. Not me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:13 PM
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Yeah obviously. Be attractive, don’t be unattractive. Please don’t ever reply to me again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:50 AM
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I think mandatory fitness training should be standard for any nation, really. Especially if that nation is considering universal healthcare. I think universal care would be a kind thing to do and then I spend about 4 minutes in a Walmart and instantly change my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:27 PM
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You're clearly new here. I'm engaged lol This conversation has nothing to do with me. We are discussing how men and women (and gay men) can get sex at differing levels of ease. And you gotta make it all weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:09 PM
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What makes you think I am bitter at gay men for having sex lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:05 PM
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That's the truth? You agreed to it and stated it as well. Why am I bitter for stating something factual that you also stated?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:00 PM
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What makes you think I am bitter? Quote me where I expressed any resentment for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:51 PM
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Do you not understand that women aren't men? Your sitting there agreeing with what I am saying and getting mad at me for it. What is wrong with you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:45 PM
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You also can't compare gay men with straight men. Yes you can. I just did. Gay men get laid more and it's easier for them to get laid no matter what. If a man who is a 9 or 10 randomly approached a woman and said the same thing he'd very likely be instantly dismissed. Correct, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:24 PM
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I mean yeah, you'll never get what any woman or gay man can get. A woman can get laid in seconds. Gay men have massive piss orgies on whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:15 PM
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Sorry I misread what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:11 PM
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You shouldn't look down on your partner regardless. You can do that with our without having double-standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:04 PM
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Well if you're actually being serious and really talking about wanting to manipulate people, take a HUGE step back and realise just how fucking unethical that is, and what a piece of shit person that makes you. Well sure, but the point I was making was that all these tactics are not necessarily "needed" for 9s and 10s. What you are saying here is a separate conversation. but I still think about how unethical it was, and how hurt he'd be if he ever found out what I did. I think there are levels, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:57 PM
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Not having double standards /= not having equal standards. Just because a couple agree that one of them will be a stay at home parent doesn't mean all the sudden one of them is lesser. Having double-standards does not necessarily mean you think lesser of the person though? I have many different standards for my spouse, but I they don't necessarily make me think of her lesser.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:55 PM
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Well nothing is "needed" and that is not the point of RP. It's about wants, not needs. it's not needed to get the average girl. Nothing is "needed," but lets talk efficacy because that is maybe what you are referring to? RP is often like a drug to average or below average girls with deep insecurities, daddy issues and mental illnesses of varying kinds. The idea that men and women are immune to varying manipulative dating strategies is just world fallacy nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:21 PM
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As long as you don't have double standards no one has an issue. Why does this even matter? Who cares if you hold yourself to different standards as your partner? If you want to be a stay at home parent, then you are going to hold yourself to different standards than your spouse in terms of income and all the way to personality traits that behooves bread-winners like confidence, drive, motivation, etc... Similarly, your sexual standards might be different and that is fine too. You really, really,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:12 PM
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So what's the issue then? What is the issue you are implying I am making? If you're mainly doing OLD and you're not a 9 or 10 then it should be expected that you're passed over. Yes.. this is already expected. Get out into the real world and meet women in places where you can show them in real life what you're like. I agree. RP and other dating advice theories offer similar advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:44 PM
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You have brain worms and don't talk to young men. Can you quote me someone who actually expects to leave the door in the morning and have casual sex? I really doubt that you have seen or met any young man who actually expects casual sex. On the contrary and most commonly, men consider casual sex "getting lucky," because it is that uncommon and unexpected. Young men wouldn't consider casual sex "getting lucky" if it was expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:22 PM
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What is the alternative? Cross boundaries women have set? hmm Yes, 100%. Women have "set" the boundaries of not meeting them at work, not meeting them at the gym, not meeting them when they are studying etc... I have dated women from meeting them in all three of those settings. The idea that you should listen to the "boundaries" that women have set for other women is nonsensical. Women will always be more concerned about other women's sensibilities than a man's loneliness and so they will always…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 12:56 PM
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Strange question. I never really “expected” to have casual sex in the same way say my gf has always “expected” to get married or even have a bf. It was never really expected. Wanted, desired and hoped for but never expected as if it was an outcome already decided.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 11:54 AM
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At its core, it is the theory that women are attracted to gender roles and the advice that you should adhere to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:14 PM
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Blackpill doesn’t have a plan but they have a clue. Dudes that need a plan but are disfigured or mentally unstable are out of luck. No amount of RP will help.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:30 AM
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Yeah which is why RP works better on men that have had moderate success. Not basement dwellers thinking they can all of a sudden slay.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:20 AM
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I disagree from personal experience. The incel dungeon nerd wonders why he can’t get laid. The guy already getting laid embracing hetero masculine gender roles for the first time in his life has more success.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:02 AM
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Really huh. I always thought RP was more for the moderately successful who wanted to be better. The men without success are blackpill and that’s their reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:21 AM
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Sure and sex linked biological sex behaviors are still gender roles according to the very definition I already posted for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:31 PM
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feminine: having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with women. It incorporates both gender and sex because they cannot be divorced. Drag queens and gay men still rarely fall within a female vocal range, and they are still entirely men. Doesn't matter. Their voice inflections are still considered feminine. Trans women complicate things but generally need to change sex somewhat to achieve this vocal range. How do trans women change their sex, exactly? Can you also turn a male rei…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:06 PM
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Agreed unless we include the pleasure of making the person you are interested in happy!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:03 PM
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It's more about the woman liking you so much that she is requesting , willing and enthusiastic trying to make you happy. The only times I did it was when the woman requested it. Interestingly, the offers dried up after a while and when I asked why, she basically said just that - she only offered it because she thought I would like it. It's basically used as a bargaining chip? Possibly a desperate attempt to stand out from the crowd. Women (and men) will offer up all kinds of crazy shit if they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:22 PM
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The distinction between sex and gender is that sex is to do with our bodies Wrong, and instantly provably false as we assign women to be "feminine" based on their bodies and curves. We do not call curves "female-y." We assign gender to sex characteristics whether you like it or not. Drag queens, when acting the opposite gender, also express sex characteristics of women because we consider gender in the aggregate, not divorced from sex. But voice isn't a role you can choose to adopt or change ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:06 PM
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Interesting thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:53 PM
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Yeah I think so post op? I didn't know there was a pre op Miley lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:49 PM
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Behavior: the way in which one acts or conducts oneself, especially toward others. Making noise out of your mouth is not gendered. Like a fart noise or something. But voice inflection is 100% a behavior, and a gendered one at that. Trans people train to change this behavior all the time. So do drag queens. It's like you are from another planet. Listen here alien lady, gay men too change their voice to portray certain feminine characteristics too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:48 PM
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More like Miley. I have not heard Cher speak in a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:43 PM
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Bruh/Lady, I just gave you the definition... A gender role, also known as a sex role,[1] is a social role encompassing a range of behaviors and attitudes that are generally considered acceptable, appropriate, or desirable for a person based on that person's sex.[2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role a gender role is like being a housewife vs being a provider. That is one traditional gender role out of many behavioral expectations of men and women. do you think breasts are a gender "Rol…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:41 PM
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Yeah I would imagine it would be much easier for more LGBT folks who are used to dating outside of heterosexual gender roles in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:39 PM
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I briefly dated a girl with a pretty low voice (for a woman). I actually found it kinda cute lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:38 PM
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A gender role, also known as a sex role,[1] is a social role encompassing a range of behaviors and attitudes that are generally considered acceptable, appropriate, or desirable for a person based on that person's sex.[2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role Voice inflection, pitch and timbre are 100% a gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:37 PM
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For sure, never claimed otherwise. So not sure how that is a response to what I said at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:22 PM
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gender roles are two very different things. Hard disagree. Women who have a naturally deeper voice often have reservations about not fitting into standard femininity. A gender role, also known as a sex role,[1] is a social role encompassing a range of behaviors and attitudes that are generally considered acceptable, appropriate, or desirable for a person based on that person's sex.[2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role Gender roles encompass expectations of gender, behaviors and attitu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:21 PM
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Sure comrade, maybe, maybe not lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:20 PM
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the majority of people fighting on the "Russian" side are Ukrainian citizens? Hmm.. No one knows whether they are the actual majority lmao. You're just as bad as your Russian propaganda handlers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:14 PM
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Lol me too. Would be pretty funny though as a long con prank.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:05 PM
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I know what it is in theory. My observation is that the people so vehemently against gender roles don’t realize just how much they are attracted to them themselves. what you are attracted to is irrelevant The personal is political. It's kind of funny how what men are attracted to and the male gaze is so politicized and rallied against, and then in the next sentence you hear the people with the same opinion rally behind gender roles and claim their attraction to them is irrelevant. Either standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:03 PM
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I disagree. There is no really such thing as a sex role, only gender roles. Secondary sex characteristics fall under gendered roles, ask trans people. A gender role, also known as a sex role,[1] is a social role encompassing a range of behaviors and attitudes that are generally considered acceptable, appropriate, or desirable for a person based on that person's sex.[2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role Nobody says "she has a very calming biologically female sex voice." We say "she has…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:02 PM
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Do you even realize that many and maybe the majority of people fighting on the "Russian" side are Ukrainian citizens? Majority? According to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:01 PM
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Would you still date your SO if they took really good voice acting classes and then spoke like the opposite gender for the rest of their lives? Nothing else about them changes, just their voice. Was thinking about how so obviously attracted and adherent we are to gender roles and how it’s near impossible to escape from a thread I was reading of a trans woman desperately trying to pass in order for her to become attractive. The amount of gender roles we just subconsciously adhere to whether that …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:53 PM
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Eh the idea that gay dating exists outside of gendered expectations is way off. Top, bottom, thinks, hunks, bears etc… are all what is essentially male gender roles, just atypical ones instead of nerd, jock, punk etc… You could say those are not gender roles, but to me and the people who feel pressured to adhere to them, they are a distinction without a difference. The idea that gay men exist outside of realm of gendered expectations is way false. Even talking to my gay male friends, they feel p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:32 PM
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Lmao! What sources are you actually using here? I’m not sure why you so desperately wish for mass rape to happen. The whole “I hope this mass rape happens so you internet people have their comeuppance!” is a terrible look. Wishing for genocide to own your internet opponent is pathetic on another level.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:15 PM
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Have you ever been to the inner city or bum fuck areas of this country and talked to criminal men? They are trying extremely hard to be hard lol The idea that bad boys do not try to be bad is hilariously wrong and disconnected from the reality of criminal men who actually try very hard to maintain a bad image and lifestyle. It's necessary for them to survive as they don't become a target for the other bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:09 PM
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Yeah it looks more likely that it will turn to static front lines here soon. Ukraine does not really have the capability for offensive warfare against a near-peer. They have what it takes to maintain defensive posture and poke around with small counter-attacks, but a wide-scale retake of Crimea for instance, is probably out of the question for UA as they currently stand. Like you said, more equipment and more training are going to be needed, but in the meantime, they have to hold the line and co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:23 PM
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I prefer the ISW myself for news about the war.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:07 PM
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Fear mongering How so? Russia wants to destroy Ukraine's identity and the incidences of mass rape are well-documented. Absorbing Ukraine involves destroying the Ukrainian identity. Russia has taken a pretty light hand to Ukraine This is a massive c-slur. Russia cannot even establish air superiority. Whole regional defense units are refusing to go to the front and die. Its a minority of loud die hard nationalists and their western backers that wants to fight to the death. Ah, so you only read pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:53 PM
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Ukraine would rather fight and you know, not have their cities raped and pillaged. But you stating you would rather flee and allow the systemic mass rape of your country-women answers my question, thanks for answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:33 PM
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The only anti-draft people here I've seen are women, but maybe that is bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:32 PM
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And they need 700K more lol You need a legal framework to mobilize the army and especially logistics to survive large scale combined arms wars. Think more, "you are now an army truck driver. Drive this route. Pick of X, drop off at location Y." Think of the draft less in terms of "here is a rifle, go fight in this trench." The second can be done by the actual army and volunteers. However, the first is just-as if not more necessary to win. Basically, volunteers are terrible at logistics. They do …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:17 PM
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If you were Ukrainian and it was either a) draft to hold the line or b) allow the Russian army to rape and pillage the country... would you support the draft? It seems to me that being anti-draft is a position only afforded to priviledged countries that would never be existentially threatened and the legal framework of conscription will always need to be in some legal code due to the worst case scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:58 PM
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So either women aren’t accepting this “helpful advice” or the guys giving it aren’t satisfied with how low women are going. I'm not sure that is the case? Women AND men very often adjust their standards from what they now believe are very vapid and trivial dating standards. People do this naturally as they age, never mind with the added advice being given. Some women (and men) cling to their lofty ideals. They reject the idea that their dating standards are unrealistic with quips like "you just …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:55 PM
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We've given that advice to our female friends that very obviously was not a euphemism to include us in their dating standards lol It's hardly the case that giving the advice to reassess your league is a euphemism to date ugly people. People reassess their standards all the time. I would argue it is part of the maturing process. You stop caring so much about trivial standards you once possessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:43 PM
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