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I was going to respond, but then I saw where the response is. I have left this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 05:22 AM
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Um, no. Nobody is going to pay money for my catchy ditties about how we should always poop in the toilet or about how I like to go outside and get the D. The music industry is all about marketing and branding. That's where the money is. Whether the music is good, whether it's even catchy - completely immaterial to whether there's any profit. I'm sure I could make some money if I found a sexy 18 year old girl and wrote her some extended sexual innuendos that were just subtle enough for 14 year ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:12 PM
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You claim to be a musician. I'd love to see you write something half as catchy. It's trivial to write a catchy song. I write stupid earworms all the time that my wife walks around humming and then yells "God damn you!" I make up earworms off the top of my head to sing to our kid and she's still humming them a week later. Anyone who can even vaguely play an instrument and keep a beat can write an earworm, because an earworm is essentially just "the way people expect music to go already," which me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:05 PM
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Yes, that's what a mindless bop is supposed to be. I love rock myself, and I know all rockers are going to have an aversion to that type of music most of the time. Trust me, I get it, but I've heard much worse coming out of the radio at middle school dances. Yeah, to rockers it's hateful because it's absolutely stupid and oversimple and uninspired. To most laypeople, it's hateful because it's so cocky and such a weird kind of sexual. They might tolerate the swaggering "Ain't that Mr. Mister on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:58 PM
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What genre? Rock. Because Sound of Silence is a masterpiece and anyone who says different is just wrong. The Simon and Garfunkel song is a quiet and beautiful (if a bit pretentious) mediation on how there can be a gulf of separation and misunderstanding between human beings. Then David Draiman was like "What if I did the whole thing in a big testosteroney look-at-my-fucking-balls growl?" And it's like: well, that doesn't make any fucking sense, and it's a little clownish, but I have to admit I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:45 PM
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I mean, I make a few thousand a year playing shows, I'm not totally ignorant of music.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:35 PM
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I don't like it either, because "personality" is a word with absolutely no meaning. A demonstration of value can be as simple as unfocused, careful attention and small, non-embarrassing acts of service. Value can be a gateway to a new social group. A new set of experiences. A willingness to collaborate on things she cares about. That may or may not be a trope, but it's my life experience. Put a picture of myself on an app? Zero interest. Write music for lyrics she's written down? The chance of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:11 PM
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I think you're halfway there. The way we evolved, men have to demonstrate their value and women only have to have bodies. What you don't see is that there are innumerable ways in which a man can demonstrate his value that aren't related to "paying her bills."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:33 PM
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Yep. Black people also have very different opinions about how big a hot woman's ass should be, compared to white people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:24 PM
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Sure, North Koreans think Bohemian Rhapsody sucks and also that Kim Jong Un is way sexier than Chris Pine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:11 PM
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When life really sucked without a gf/bf settling made sense. Life no longer really sucks without a gf/bf. It's interesting that you take these extremely bold claims as axiomatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 01:17 AM
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I believe in the theory, but I don't ascribe it to "bad media." I ascribe it to the collapse of community and growing isolation of the public.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 01:16 AM
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I think Friday's in the Sound of Silence cover category. It's a particularly weird mix of horribly bad and delightfully good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 12:19 AM
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Does it make your heart beat right out your untrimmed chest?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 12:10 AM
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Looks are exactly as objective as songs. We generally agree that "Bohemian Rhapsody" is a great song, like 9/10, and that "Hey Soul Sister" is a terrible song, like 2/10. But with certain songs, there are vastly divergent ideas and people get fighty about them. Like, say, the Disturbed cover of "The Sound of Silence." Is that song sexy or is it a fucking dog? There's no consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 11:45 PM
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And then you have women on here claiming "women's sexuality is different, they're not turned on by just looks, they need to like the girl's personality, there needs to be an emotional connection". They're generalizing, of course. Every woman is different, and you can find women who are into anything. Ironically, after Elliot Rodger tried to murder as many people as possible because he figured he was unfuckably ugly, there are now multiple women claiming to be in love with him posthumously. Human…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 10:27 PM
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3,700 comments represents about 0.0001% of all of the women. Also, it's impossible to distinguish between the ones who were being earnest and the ones who were just participating in a funny meme, like when straight guys say the sexiest celebrity in the world is Danny DeVito.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 10:18 PM
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It's something you already know but often fail to keep in mind: we're just as diverse a lot as you are. For every stereotype about men, there are more exceptions than adherents to the rule. I really dislike it when I'm treated as "a man" and not as, you know - me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:45 PM
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How to get a two-year degree: Pay for it Show up sometimes Don't shoot up the school or anything. And most men here still use Tinder That isn't even remotely true. A small minority of men - the worst men, the biggest losers - use Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 06:57 PM
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You've got makeup, soft lighting, a professional stylist... ...you see this dude on the bus, and he's a beady-eyed little guy with greasy hair and a broken nose and weird-ass eyebrows.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 05:38 PM
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Yes, all the woman needs to get a date is to look like a non-ugly woman. A hundred men will ask her out and just hope, with no evidence, that she isn't terrible. It will be annoying and low-key scary for her. That man needs to demonstrate his value somehow before women will date him. They'll be interested if they already know he isn't terrible. That's why he needs to meet women through a community. And this is why OLD doesn't work and no one should do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 05:21 PM
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No. People less functioning do better than Chris. Sure, if the only words your brain is capable of learning are "Mommy" and "Daddy," then you don't have many opportunities to humiliate yourself. Chris fell for the exact same catfishing scam like ten times in a row. That isn't bad parenting. That's a broken brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 05:17 PM
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I don't think there was any saving that guy. He was fucked from the moment the sperm hit the egg. There are whole missing sections of DNA, extra chromosomes, something seriously fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 04:26 PM
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Chris Chan is not a weirdo because of his life circumstances. He's a weirdo because he has a profoundly broken brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 04:07 PM
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58% of student debt is held by women. It's a majority, but it isn't a very big majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:28 AM
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Don't deign to speak for "men." I could genuinely not give less of a fuck about a woman's "body count," as long as it's greater than one. I don't want to be her first or second.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:16 AM
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That doesn't even resemble my post. My post was more like: Whenever men have an advantage it's "Life is horrible and the living envy the dead." Whenever women have an advantage it's "Life is horrible and the living envy the dead."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:30 AM
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Ah, yes. The subreddit for mocking people who don't want to just scoop out their brain and pick a side like all the kewl kids are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:08 AM
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If a woman has a problem with, say, her vaginal odor, then obviously I want to Google and troubleshoot that shit, so it doesn't knock me right off my feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:06 AM
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Nobody has it good in 2021 America. It's a blasted hellscape. The shambling, animated corpse of a society that died a decade ago. All we can do is spend every day praying to a god we know doesn't exist to grant us the sweet release of death. There's really no point in even comparing whose total and complete misery is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:05 AM
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lol. Yeah. Basically. Except instead of ripping off nineties music and turning it into schlock, he was stuck in the seventies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:55 PM
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Yeah, that's fair. I can't deadlift either my wife or my girlfriend. I can hurl my ex over a fence like a javelin, though. She's super anorexic. It's making her teeth fall out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:50 PM
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I know some of these guys really well. I played in a band with a Chad guitarist/singer for years. I got the whole "utterly mogged" experience, where women would walk up to us, one after another, to give him their phone numbers and pretend I wasn't there. And he's so hopelessly, insanely in love with his girlfriend. There's no other woman in the world to this guy. Half our songs were about how much he loves her. They were shitty songs. Chads can't write.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:49 PM
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I doubt it. I think I'm a slut because I'm not very attractive, and having sex with a lot of women is some fucked-up psychological reaction to feeling like I don't have a lot of value. Most of the Chads I know just got married to beautiful women pretty quick. And most of the sluts I know are, like me, 5/10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:41 PM
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I just use a little testicle condom. My shaft stays nice and naked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:35 PM
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I chose "gay son" because, well, I don't have any problem with that at all. I definitely wouldn't choose "incel son" because I don't want my kid to be miserable. As for "slutty daughter," there are competing definitions of the word "slutty." Some are fine with me and some are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:22 PM
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You just keep thinking that, cutie.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:08 PM
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Me too. And I hope you get it from me. And I hope we die locked in a sweet, romantic embrace.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:04 PM
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Also it's a good test for if a guy respects your boundaries I had enough of being "tested" in high school. I'm not gonna put up with it in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:01 PM
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I hate condom sex. It's almost as bad as not having sex at all. Almost all the sensation is gone and I can't reach orgasm. Most STDs are completely treatable. If she's got an IUD or she's on the pill, I'm going to take my chances with disease. If you live a life of trying to minimize risk, nothing bad will happen to you, but nothing good will happen to you either. I get tested regularly to reduce the risk a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:41 PM
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No, I wasn't - I was talking about being ejaculated into. Calfshrug's solution is "use a condom under all circumstances," but I don't really care for that solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:36 PM
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Who would have possibly guessed that it's easier to get a disease from having a half a teaspoon of fluid shot into you than from sliding an appendage in and out of a lubricated tunnel. mind blown
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:30 PM
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He's aiming at a pretty niche market, but he's hitting it square on the target. This will most likely be effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:20 PM
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That was barely English. You should really pay more attention in English class.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:02 PM
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Sure. Keep feeding yourself to death then. I'm sure that will be your best self when you get diabetes. Every dietician will tell you that your bullshit diet isn't very healthy. The ideal diet is about five small meals a day, to keep blood sugar consistent. Fasting for 24 hours and then trying to eat all 2000 calories you need to survive in one sitting is deeply unhealthy in the long term. Way to be smug about having a shitty diet, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:51 PM
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Ah, yes, the urban myth that sex changes the structure and appearance of the vagina. "I do thirty bicep curls three times a week. Now my arms look like curtains of roast beef because they're all used up." Sure. That's how bodies work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:04 PM
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Well, that strategy would not make me my best self. I would be hungry, irritable, and low-energy for most of the day. My performance at work would suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:01 PM
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People go for whatever fruit hangs the lowest. No one insults my dick because I'm an alcoholic. So when they're mad at me they just snarl that I'm a worthless drunk. If your dick is the lowest-hanging fruit, you're probably actually doing pretty well in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:45 PM
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It takes less time to eat fewer calories not more. That's just not true at all. It takes a lot of time and mindfulness and energy to carefully watch your caloric intake. I bet you don't do it. Men suffer due to things like our heights and races and faces. Women suffer for their own lack of responsibility to eat well and take care of their physical health. Yeah, that's bullshit. A man who works hard and who has upped his confidence and his game will have success with women. Might take a little ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:41 PM
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It's possible some people have priorities in life other than counting calories. Like, you know, raising children. You can't even imagine how much work that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:31 PM
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You can come up with an ethical justification for any crime. "There are too many human beings and it's ruining the environment; therefore, dismembering homeless men in my basement is really the only ethical choice." But no matter how you justify it, most people think that terrifying acts of physical and psychological violence are wrong. Simply because they don't want to live in a society where people would approve if it was done to them or their loved ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:55 PM
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OLD is bullshit. But the Internet is fertile ground. Hit on chicks on Facebook. Hit on chicks on Fark. Hit on chicks on Reddit and World of Warcraft and YouTube and - fuck, take a big swing and hit on chicks on OnlyFans. Worked for me. They fuck, too. Just don't use OLD, because that's calibrated to make you fail. Approaching a chick offline is difficult because I can't leave my house without being drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:10 PM
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If a woman told you "We had a fun date, but I'm not gonna see you again, because I think you're gonna get fat someday and I need to be cautious," would you not think she was a piece of shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:07 PM
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I'm pretty sure if I had that level of power, I'd do stupid shit. Like make a law that everyone has to be on molly at least once a month. And I'd bring back corporal punishment, and mandate forty lashes for saying the sentence "Can we change the subject, please?" And I'd make it illegal to put crates of any kind in video games. Forty lashes, bitch. No crates. Also I'd execute everyone who works as management in Match Group. And I'd change the national anthem to "Party in the USA" by Miley Cyrus.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:03 PM
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Because you had a kid. And you don't want the kid's parents to be "some chick" and "some dude who's worried his mom is gonna get fat." Because, you know, it's reasonably important to you that the kid not grow up to be as much of a piece of shit as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:55 AM
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I can handle fat just fine. I like fat chicks. They're way better in bed. What I can't handle is when a girl is wearing fucking clown makeup and doesn't even know it's clown makeup. She thinks that's actual makeup. She thinks she made herself up to look pretty, with white foundation and bright orange lipstick. Get the fuck away from my dick, clown girl. Also, those filled-in eyebrows that Zoomers seem to think are neat? Christ. Makes me want to puke in my own lap.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:53 AM
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Counterargument: it is important to impregnate as many women as possible. That's kind of our genes' only goal, and the only reason we even have bodies and brains. Therefore: have kids under any possible circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:51 AM
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When unattractive women are into me, I don't feel "superior." I feel fucking uncomfortable. I feel guilty for thinking she isn't attractive enough for me, and I feel anxious about how the heck I'm going to turn her down.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:09 AM
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Women are much more likely to attempt suicide, but they're terrible at it. I think it's because they keep getting the noose stuck in their vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:04 AM
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The thing is, Reddit gives me a chance to talk to Zoomers. Zoomers just have no chance at all to talk to Gen-Xers. We're like a different fucking species to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:20 AM
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I'm 43 and I've got more plates spinning than I've got hands. The average 35 year old man isn't spinning plates, but he could. Gen-Xers and Xennials just have different values from Zoomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:18 AM
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anyone with a pair of eyes can tell the average woman has surpassed the average man. No. We're remarkably age-segregated in modern American society. The average 19 year old has no fucking clue what the average 35 year old's life is like, and vice-versa. That's part of the reason for a lot of these arguments. The collapse in young male sexual activity is less than ten years old. People over 35 have no idea what 19 year olds are even talking about when they say it's hard to find sex. We get sex al…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:56 AM
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Lol how do you not recognize bipolar disorder. Fucking idiot. Lol, sorry, I didn't realize we were just doing Purge Week here. Your mom gives shitty head. She keeps pulling my dick out and sticking it in her eye. She says that's the way you do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:53 AM
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Do you think there aren't Filipino women in America? Do you think that every time a marriage ends, it's due to personal "idiocy"? Mine ended because my undiagnosed bipolar wife started physically attacking me every time I made a simple mistake like leaving a pizza in the oven for too long. If I'd had an undiagnosed mental illness, it could have gone the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:43 AM
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I don't think it does. I think OP is a 19 year old incel, and OP is observing that his personal, academic/professional, and romantic life are all garbage, and that attractive 19 year old white women are doing better in life than he is. And then he's just generalizing that personal observation incorrectly to all human beings of all ages and backgrounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:35 AM
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The average woman in the US has it better than the average man today. I wonder what you're thinking of when you talk about the "average" woman and the "average" man. The average American is 39 years old, stands about 5'6", weighs about 180 pounds, and has one child. Is that the average American you're thinking of?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:23 AM
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You're confusing RP with blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:17 AM
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Do you think FDS is just redpill/inceldom for women. Well, that's interesting, because redpill and blackpill are really two different things. And I could put FDS on the other side of either coin - but it doesn't quite scan for something to be the opposite of two disparate things. Maybe I need to think about this some more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:13 AM
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Why are there so many songs about rainbows It's a weird lyric. Other than "Somewhere Over the Rainbow," I can't think of a single song about rainbows. Unless "Rainbow Connection" is a song about rainbows. But it's more of a meta-song about rainbows.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:56 AM
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Simple: bluepillers aren't edgy. They don't feel a need to "purge" anything. They're just hanging back and waiting for order to be restored.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:45 AM
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Yes, I've occasionally been known to eat edamame. If you think that matters, you've shoved your tinfoil hat right up your ass so the aliens can't send 5G signals to your colon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:44 AM
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I enjoy being able to downvote you now that it's Purge Week. Usually people break the rules by downvoting me and I just have to fucking accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:42 AM
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A 46 year old Filipino single mother who's 50 pounds overweight still has it easier than a 46 year old Filipino single father who's 50 pounds overweight. Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:39 AM
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The problem here is that when you think "a woman," your brain is envisioning a 25 year old white woman who's fit and healthy. It isn't envisioning a 46 year old Filipino single mother who's 50 pounds overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:25 AM
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Freud would say that everything we do boils down to some biological need. If we do something, and we aren't doing it because we're hungry, and we aren't doing it because we're cold, and we aren't doing it because we're in pain, then we're probably doing it because we're horny. Freud is wrong a lot of the time, but I think that's where he just completely fucking nails it. The thing is, when I was blackpilled back in the '90s - before the word "blackpill" existed - I wasn't doing it because being …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:18 AM
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Whitney Houston. There, that was easy. She's every woman. It's all in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:15 AM
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I'm a 43 year old alcoholic, so the best-case scenario is that I died reasonably painlessly and the worst-case scenario is that I died in pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:28 AM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:26 AM
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No, that's wrong. I'm quite certain that virtually all incels are mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:18 AM
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Whatever you think he is, he thinks he's about a 3. There are many, many people out there with dysmorphia. The look in the mirror and see something fucking hideous that doesn't match what anyone else sees. But it's so hard for them to ad.it they're mentally ill. They'd rather construct a fantasy about Chad stealing all their women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 01:12 AM
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You think this guy who spends his entire life chain-smoking in his mom's house and memeing about how he can't compete with Chad thinks he's attractive? He thinks he's fucking hideous, that's the point. He thinks he should kill himself because he'll never know the touch of a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 01:08 AM
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Yeah, but people are fucking dicks. No matter how I live, I'm gonna get repeatedly shamed. So why give a shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 01:07 AM
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Men are allowed to have multiple girlfriends. I have multiple girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:54 AM
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Here's another example. HBO tracked this incel down to do a documentary on him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oliq8m8Qph0
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:53 AM
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Once in a while an incel ends up on the news or something. You know, like Eliot Rodger! And then it's like: yep, perfectly ordinary looking dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:48 AM
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During the Purge, consent is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:32 AM
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Yeah, if there were five thousand thirsty chicks trying to get on your dick every day, you obviously can't fuck 'em all. You'd get a hell of a lot more picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:32 AM
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I find some of that attractive. Not the hypocrisy part. Hypocrisy makes my dick go limp.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:30 AM
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It seems Trump was right. Exercise is bad for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:28 AM
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There's a series called oVOREwatch where the women of Overwatch get in duels that can only be won by shoving your opponent up your asshole, digesting her body inside your colon, and then farting out her empty armor. Anyway, I can definitely fap to that. My compliments to the animator.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:25 AM
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I know it's Purge Week, but you don't have to show us your mom's vacation photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:20 AM
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Science has proven that the sexiest name is Lance Goodwood, DDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:17 AM
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See? He pretends to be a nice Christian woman but in reality all he wants is Chad's cock.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:15 AM
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I know, dude, I was there. You just tried to shove your limp cock in her navel and then cried for four hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:14 AM
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Sure, all these chicks with huge tits and six-pack abs are definitely slumming around on Tinder. Because that's real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:13 AM
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He got it thirty years ago. I'm pretty sure you aren't a virgin. My suspicion is that you have had sex two times. And that it has led to zero orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:11 AM
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Nice. That chick knows how to have a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:05 AM
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Meanwhile, all four of those "women" were also catfish - sweaty middle-aged dudes jerking off to what they assumed was going to be a fun loli roleplay.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 12:03 AM
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"Damn it, I can stay up until 11:30 if I want, Mom! I'm a man! And I told you to go shopping for more Hunt's Snack Packs yesterday, bitch!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 11:58 PM
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It's a little-known fact that Albanian men have three foot long prehensile cocks that they can use to swing from the trees like spider monkeys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 11:56 PM
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Nah, my wife's boyfriend had a vasectomy years ago. Also his name is Carl.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 11:51 PM
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Yeah, but you have to actually be a man. Anyone who plays video games is not worthy of being dominant over a woman, because he is a child. The only woman he needs is his mom, to make him pizza rolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 11:45 PM
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Uh, yeah, I'm a virgin with a six-year-old kid. Wonder how that happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 11:40 PM
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Well, it's not technically a movie quote. But you know that scene in The Simpsons where Bob Dole walks out of Congress and he's abducted by aliens? And he says "Bob Dole doesn't need this!" That's something I say pretty much every day. "Bob Dole doesn't need this."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 11:06 PM
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Once I withheld sex from my girlfriend until she would admit that Rice-a-Roni is the San Francisco treat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 11:03 PM
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You want to watch me fuck a donut? Kinda weird, but I'm not kink-shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:56 PM
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Nope. I worked with a Chad, though. Fucked his wife, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:54 PM
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No, I was assuming they were Korean. Jamal Moon and Tyrone Park.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:51 PM
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I guess for the same reason that I'm talking to a pedophile. Life is boring and Reddit exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:50 PM
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But why is cucking a racial thing? I've fucked a lot of guys' wives. Gonna do it again next month. Yet my name isn't Jamal. Is that weird to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:49 PM
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You don’t have to be a locksmith to figure it out. I mean, apparently that's what you believe. That expertise is worthless. That the best wife would just be a baby who was left in a room for eighteen years and fed by a robot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:45 PM
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I'd say let's ask a locksmith, but I'm sure you'd rather hire someone who doesn't even know what a lock is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:42 PM
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It's a large number of people. But is it even a "group"? Is the guy who can't get laid because he's severely autistic in a group with the guy who can't get laid because he can't control his anger? I guess it's a group in that they have a shared delusion: that they're the same and the only problem is their fucking jawline or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:41 PM
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Why did this turn into a racial thing??
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:39 PM
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You should start a professional football team where you only hire players who have never played football.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:36 PM
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That's... definitely not my fear. I really don't mind women who have practiced sex with a lot of dudes. It doesn't "exhaust" her sexual appetite. It just makes her more skilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:28 PM
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31% of young men haven't had sex in a year. I don't know why you rounded up to 40%. That doesn't even make them "incel or volcel." Could just be a long dry spell. Look, I absolutely agree that millions of young men are sexually frustrated and that the problem has been getting increasingly worse for the last ten years. There's no question there at all. But it's not doing anyone any good to vastly overestimate the numbers. It's doing even less good to invent reasons that aren't the real reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:43 PM
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But do you see how incels are working backwards? They're saying "The 80% idea is true." Then you say "Here are some statistics that show it isn't." Then they say "Okay, I'm going to look for any flaw in those statistics that can make the 80% idea still be true. Maybe most of these guys only had sex once a year, from a woman who couldn't get Chad at the moment." That's the exact opposite of how science is supposed to work. You're supposed to search for an answer, not choose an answer and then try…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:29 PM
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I don't see why. I often go through a 2-3 month dry spell between girlfriends. That seems healthy enough and not indicative of some kind of social problem. I think it would just muddy up the statistics if I got flagged as an incel because I haven't had sex in seven days.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:24 PM
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The statistic is that 69% of young men have had sex in the last year. Some of them have done it once, some of them have done it 400 times. The study didn't break it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:21 PM
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The problem with the blackpill is that it takes way too big a swing. It says things like "80% of women are shared by 20% of men." Then you look it up and you find that 69% of young men have had sex in the last year. Despite blackpillers insisting everything they're saying is "science," the incel numbers don't match the scientific numbers at all. Incels want to see themselves as a large, oppressed group. They want to see the world in terms of "Chad took all our women and now we have to die alone.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:12 PM
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Oh, it would be fucking horrifying, but it would be such a delicious flavor of horrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 08:24 PM
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No, not even remotely, but this is a question about an ideal world.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 08:02 PM
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Hey, since it's purge week, I can answer this question even though I'm a man! Rad. In an ideal world, all but about twelve men would be unfuckable, and I'd be one of the twelve.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 07:57 PM
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I think that people do this pathological thing where they find someone attractive, but they have to ask all their friends to make sure that person is really attractive. Because winning the respect of their friends is even more important to them than being with someone they find attractive. I've noticed that trend with incels a lot. That impressing normies, standing toe-to-toe with Chad, being able to say "I have so much value that I got one of the hot ones" is actually more important to them tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:46 AM
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Adam? If we're trying to be "objective," you'd just take note of the millions of women and gay men who are absurdly attracted to him and say he's clearly a 10. Ernest Khalimov? It's almost impossible to say. He's like a He-Man action figurine. Incels all insist he's a perfect example of a 10. The vast majority of women say: "hard pass."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:22 AM
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Adam Driver. You think that Adam Driver, an international sex symbol, and one of the most desired men in human history, is a 6/10. This is exactly why this "scale" is insane. I don't know what you're trying to use to calibrate it. But it is simply a fact that for every one person who's interested in sex with Ernest Khalimov, there are fifty thousand who are interested in sex with Adam Driver.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:11 AM
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I know well enough that there are people where I agree with the "collective wisdom" and there are people where my perception is completely different from that wisdom. And I've met plenty of other people who are the same way. My college best friend thinks the most beautiful human being in the world is Bob Hoskins, of Who Framed Roger Rabbit fame.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:58 AM
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I'm able to assign numbers to people, sure. Anyone can do that. They won't match other people's numbers. They never do. That's the subjective part. That they don't match.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:32 AM
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And then the others - they don't agree. Some women have told me I'm just not an attractive man at all, and some women have told me I'm extremely sexy. Because it's subjective. And we all know it's subjective. Yet we come up with this preposterous system of numbering and matching anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 08:49 PM
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No, I can't do either of those things. It's not because I'm a bad writer - I'm actually pretty good - but like most people, I look in the mirror and I see something different from what everyone else sees. I truly have no idea how I look to others. I know I'm not exceptionally ugly and I know I'm not exceptionally pretty. I guess I'm just in that huge range of "Ah, there is a man." And I don't really believe in the whole "looksmatch" concept. The woman I want to be with is one where we're mutuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 08:18 PM
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stuff that might be deemed inconsequential/small This is an important part of the question. Of course there are many huge dealbreakers that everyone knows are huge. One of mine is: if a woman becomes visibly angry at an ex during an early date, it's over. I am almost certain that anger is going to be unfairly transferred over to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 05:27 PM
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There's no bright line between "considerate to women" and "simp," and there's no bright line between "flexibility of beliefs" and "pick-me." It's all a long spectrum where one end is healthy, one end is pathetic, and no one quite agrees on the exact point where one bleeds into the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:20 PM
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Is she a simp for her partner? That's the answer in a nutshell. People who adjust their beliefs and lifestyle just so someone will be with them are seen as rather pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:11 PM
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Yes, of course it's wrong. It's a fantasy for ugly girls. "Maybe if I just made four superficial changes, men would love me and I'd be one of the popular girls." It's just a female version of getting in an accident involving radioactive sludge and becoming a superhero instead of a cancer patient. It's wish-fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 04:19 PM
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Christianity is shrinking and dying among young Americans. The moderates disappear first, and so what's left is the crazy radicals.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:06 PM
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She could, but it's much less likely than if she's just spent years on the Internet thumbs-upping posts that say "men all grab your ass and they're pieces of shit."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:00 PM
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Yeah, but it used to be "men only want one thing" with an eyeroll and a smile. Now it's "men only want one thing" with a furious glare.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 05:58 PM
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Yeah, 2014 gave us #yesallwomen, which was just a #metoo that didn't quite catch on as strongly because it wasn't paired with something that happened specifically in Hollywood. But 2014 gave us Anita Sarkeesian, GamerGate, the Isla Vista massacre, fourth-wave feminism, and the corresponding rise of MRAs, MGTOWs, and "manosphere." And for the first time, I was noticing that women were treating me with hostility as a default state.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 05:57 PM
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I'm not sure I agree with "15-20 years." I felt it all shift abruptly in 2014. I think it's been seven. But what a fucking seven it's been.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 05:48 PM
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I have female cousins, friends, lovers, nieces, a sister, a mother... I know many women. Very few of them have multiple personal experiences with being "followed, groped, or humiliated for no good reason by men." For most of them, it's happened between zero and one time. The only women I know who have had that happen to them many times are ones with a long history of doing alcohol and drugs with strangers. But many of those women believe it's absurdly common even if it hasn't really happened to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 05:45 PM
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I don't know, but I can definitely see those issues and their impact very easily. Ten years ago, if I PM'ed woman under a username, the reaction I would get is generally positive. I'd say "Hi, how's your day going," and her first thoughts would be along the lines of "cool, someone to talk to." And she'd write back with something like "Pretty good! Having a good morning! What are you up to?" It's just a username - she doesn't know how tall I am or how rich I am or whether I have a sharp jawline. …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 04:41 PM
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You know, the more I think about it, I don't think the problem is that women in the last ten years have "higher standards." I think the problem is that women in the last ten years don't like men. There's all these social messages that we're complete fucking pieces of shit, and women react accordingly. With absolute hostility. What appears to be "hypergamy" is really just a reflection of the fact that a man has to be really impressive to overcome the millions of social messages most women have in…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 04:27 PM
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Exactly. Once the age of social media began, newspapers couldn't beat the clickbait - so they joined 'em. Practically all reporting now has a partisan slant in one direction or the other, and is written to make us fight with each other, so we'll keep sharing and linking to it. Saying "penetrative trauma" without defining it and explaining that the term refers to any penetration of the skin? Exactly the kind of trick newspapers use to keep you in a state of outraged news consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 11:15 PM
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There are only a very few newspapers that refrain from being sensationalist. Outrage and controversy are what drive clicks and make the whole enterprise profitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 11:08 PM
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Yeah, and if a newspaper has outraging details, they print them in big bold text. If they don't, they just sort of imply them so people like you will still feel more outraged.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 11:02 PM
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How autistic do you think her testimony in a sexual assault case should have been? I see that you can't tell the difference between "autistic" and "precise." Nurses testify precisely. Of course she would have said "genital trauma" if that's what she meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 10:47 PM
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I'm quite aware that the nurse was describing Miller's injuries and that she didn't say one word about trauma to her genitals. That's pretty much all there is to say about this. If she's found trauma to the vagina, she would have testified to it. She didn't. She found trauma to various other parts of the body.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 10:07 PM
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I think she described some penetrating trauma on Miller's skin, yes. Why wouldn't she? She was called in to testify to Miller's injuries. And not once did she speak of vaginal or genital trauma. She just spoke of abrasions and redness and some penetrating trauma on various places on Miller's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 10:02 PM
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The nurse very clearly examined every inch of Chanel Miller's body; that is what she testified to. From the pine needles in her hair all the way down to her toes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:59 PM
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I can just say in my personal opinion I don’t believe three months is appropriate Then show a little bravery and say what is. What should society have done to Brock Turner?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:38 PM
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I didn't forget it at all. The Swedish guys yelled "what are you doing," Brock ran, and they chased him and tackled him. What they saw was a young man on top of a young woman, in the dark, for a few seconds. That doesn't tell us very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:36 PM
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Sure. An angry sandpaper-wielding child could have attacked her. But she was found on the ground passed out from drinking too much, and you know how most people get from standing to passed out on the ground? It involves falling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:35 PM
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When you add her story with the witnesses of the night it does play out. There's still very little evidence of what happened if you decide you aren't going to believe a word of Brock's story. We know they danced and kissed at the party. We know they left together. We know Brock was clothed and had his finger in her vagina. We know that when the police eventually showed up and checked on her, she was passed out. That leaves a lot of gaps in our understanding of the night. It’s believable but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:33 PM
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No, I'm reading reporting on the court files, which say Miller had scrapes and redness on various parts of her body. What could possibly have caused that? Gee, I wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:28 PM
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People always act this way. "I'm not saying it should be the end of his life but three months is not a punishment at all." I think three months in a cell is a pretty serious punishment. There's no way that doesn't throw your life completely off course. So I ask: okay, what would be appropriate for this situation? Then they just call me a nasty name and refuse to answer. So courageous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:25 PM
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No, it doesn't. Look it up. A gunshot wound and a splinter are both penetrating trauma. The phrase means that something penetrated the skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:23 PM
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The fact that someone’s defence is that and they serve 3 months is mind boggling Is it? He got drunk and met a drunk girl at a party. They made out, they danced. She started passing out and he put his finger in her vagina. That's wrong, and it's a crime, but what's the "non-mind-boggling" punishment? You just think it's clear and obvious that this should be the end of his life and there's no redeeming him because he's a monster?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:21 PM
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No, that's something I said because I think it's common knowledge: having scrapes and redness and sometimes some penetrating trauma is consistent with falling down outside. I mean, it's happened to me. And also every single child in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:18 PM
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So you’d rather believe the rapist over the victim? Chanel Miller says she went to a party, drank a ton of whiskey, and the next thing she knew she was waking up in a hospital. What's not to believe? She has no idea what happened that night. Yeah, I believe her story, but there's barely any story. Brock Turner says they walked arm-in-arm toward his dorm and fell on the ground. That's entirely believable to me. Maybe something different happened, but there isn't any evidence of anything different…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:15 PM
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Personally due to the nature of the exam that’s why I believe it wasn’t stated. I'm sure it was stated in court, but the journalists didn't bother writing things like "On the lower-right lateral quadrant of her left buttock." What is clear from the article is that she was scraped and bruised and something broke the skin, consistent with someone who fell down in the woods. Those were her injuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:12 PM
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He said it. So I can provide it, but I don't know if you'd believe it. His statement is that they were walking back to his dorm arm-in-arm and they lost their balance and fell and laughed. Clearly being tackled also caused some of his injuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:09 PM
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We can't read people's thoughts. We can't develop a "metric" for whether people are communicating their trauma accurately or whether they're wailing in hysterics just because they want power over someone they've come to hate. But when women wail in hysterics over situations that would barely phase any man, you gotta wonder. Is she that fragile, or does she just know how to get what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:07 PM
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The nurse spells it out in simple and precise terms. Chanel Miller had scrapes and redness, and something broke the skin somewhere on her body. Brock Turner had similar injuries. This is because they stumbled blind drunk into a wooded area together and fell down. Everyone who's been extremely drunk can recall being a little banged up in the morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:02 PM
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Because he was seen fingering her when she was too drunk to consent and possibly unconscious. That's the evidence. It's eyewitness evidence. He did not cause her any injury.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:59 PM
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It absolutely does not. The nurse very clearly examined her entire body.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:57 PM
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There is not one word in that article about trauma to Miller's vagina. Not one. Maybe you're confused because you think "penetrating trauma" means "vaginal." It doesn't. A splinter in your finger is penetrating trauma. It means the skin was penetrated. It appears that Miller fell on something and they don't know what it was. A pine cone? A twig? An old cigarette lighter? Whatever it was, it broke the skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:56 PM
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So what? I'm not saying she was wrong or incompetent. I'm saying she didn't testify to any vaginal trauma. Because she didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:54 PM
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I read the whole thing. And then, when people said I didn't read it right, I read it again. The nurse testified that she had trauma to various places on her body - scrapes and redness - and some "penetrating trauma." Maybe that's where you're getting confused. "Penetrating trauma" does not mean vaginal. It just means that something, anywhere, broke the skin. A splinter is penetrating trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:53 PM
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It's not there, Smurf. The nurse was testifying that she was kinda scraped up. Didn't breathe one word about genital trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:49 PM
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I read that. Nothing in there about her genitals. Something broke the skin somewhere on her body. Maybe a pine cone, maybe a twig, maybe a nail, they couldn't tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:48 PM
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Like what was the recovery time for your attack? did you have medical bills? I've been hurt. Nothing where I couldn't just rest and heal. were you too embarassed to tell people about the attack at first and then by the time you did they thought you were making it up? did you lose friends? Were people unrelated to the attack completely fucking awful to me in the aftermath? No. Would they have been the assailant's fault if they were?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:47 PM
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I read it. It talked about small abrasions and redness on various parts of her body. The kind you'd sustain from falling down under some pine trees. No mention of genital trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:45 PM
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I Googled it. I can't find it anywhere. I believe you made it up. You are a liar, and you just believe that as long as you're self-righteous enough, lying is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:40 PM
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why aren't you afraid of men then? I don't know, I'm just not. Lots of things can hurt you the second you step out of your house, or even inside of it, and I'm just not afraid all the time. I guess you can't always control whether you live your life in fear. Some people are just more fearful than others?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:39 PM
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"Setterlund testified to a series of abrasions and erythema — redness on the skin — she documented on various places on Doe's body. She compared erythema to the redness that would appear after a person is slapped." She had scrapes and bruises from falling down in a wooded area. There's nothing in there about vaginal trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:35 PM
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And I gave you exactly who talked about her injuries, the doctors. You waved your hands and said "the doctors." You don't know which doctors. You don't remember where you heard it. You can't find it now. You just said it because you want it to be true. You aren't fooling anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:33 PM
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Was that not obvious to you? That women are sometimes exaggerating their trauma to an absurd degree, and sometimes even inventing it, because even though they're basically fine, they want the power of taking the man who humiliated her (or who she humiliated herself with) and completely ruining his life?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:32 PM
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Chanel Miller has become quite rich off this incident and is being regarded as a hero. And the whole point of the outrage is that women agree that men should not get three months in jail for fingering a woman he was making out with as she was passing out. He should be thrown in a damp, dank cell and they should throw away the key. It should be the end of his life as he knows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:30 PM
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What I mean is crimes come with individual max sentences so throwing eggs is unlikely to get jail time Well maybe if you "ham it up" enough, you can claim they effectively destroyed the entire car and caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in both property and emotional damage. Then maybe it could get kicked up to a whole different category of crime, like felony destruction of property.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:26 PM
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So you think that the pain of the nurses' examinations on her vagina and anus had a permanent impact on her life but injuries inflicted by Brock did not. Sure. And that she was comfortable talking about nurses sticking instruments up her ass but it was too embarrassing to talk about how the actual convicted criminal hurt her when he fingered her. Sure. Fact is, you still haven't provided a shred of evidence she was vaginally injured by him. You're just pounding the table, saying it's true becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:24 PM
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He's probably the worst serial killer in British history, perhaps in the history of mankind too. Over 200 victims. Bah. Elizabeth Bathory and Uday Hussein called that "Wednesday."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:21 PM
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Everything was already in evidence. The victim impact statement was after the trial and after the guilty verdict. Chanel listed every reason Brock's free life should come to an end, in the strongest language she could find. Including depictions of the trauma the nurses had inflicted on her vagina and anus. You don't seem to understand victim impact statements at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:12 PM
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I'm specifically talking about fear of sexual violence, I guess I should clarify. Okay, but why is it that it's reasonable to live in fear of being sexually assaulted but unreasonable to live in fear of getting all your teeth kicked in? Violence is not at all uncommon and most men have experienced it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:10 PM
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Sounds like you kind of agree that women are faking trauma to get men thrown in prison - you just happen to think that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:07 PM
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Of course egging someone's car is a crime. What planet do you live on? Harold said: "If you're the victim of a crime, you're fully entitled to ham it up to the max to get the person who violated you the maximum punishment possible." It's a general statement about crime. I don't see Harold arguing that you should be restrained if it's merely a property crime or violent crime, but ham it up if it's sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:06 PM
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She talked extensively about how uncomfortable it was to have the nurses swabbing her vagina and anus and giving her a bunch of shots. If Turner himself had left injuries, of course she would have told the court about that in the least uncertain terms possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:05 PM
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You have a source for that? In her victim impact statement, she talks about all the discomfort of the examinations of her vagina and anus by the nurses, but she doesn't mention any injuries other than scrapes from falling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:52 PM
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If you're the victim of a crime, you're fully entitled to ham it up to the max to get the person who violated you the maximum punishment possible. Yeah, I really hate that mentality. That if someone wrongs you in any way - throws an egg at your car, shoves you in anger, anything - you should "ham it up to the max." The only result of that is we lose all sense of what's a serious crime and what's not. We start making ludicrous claims like "Downloading Enter Sandman is a vicious theft that cost Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:49 PM
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He didn't get off. He got six months in jail and three years probation. Women saw that as "getting off" because it wasn't life-ruiningly long. His attorney said the word "affluenza." The judge sure didn't. The judge just sentenced him to jail time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:11 PM
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I don't know about that. Men are the victims of 90% of violent assaults, and - haven't we all been assaulted? I had a guy attack me in an alley a couple years back. I had a guy attack me in a bar a couple years before that. It happens. We could find plenty of reason to live our lives in fear. We just don't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:09 PM
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I don't really care about this case specifically. Brock Turner was an over-privileged scumbag. Sort of odd, I think, that so much of the outrage was that his family is relatively well-off. Like if had been a townie raised by a plumber and a housewife, then these things happen, but because his parents were an Air Force contractor and a surgery nurse who could afford Stanford tuition, he's a scumbag.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:05 PM
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I'm in my forties. My brain, it's wired. And I never "trained" it in the first place to find certain things sexy and certain things unsexy. It just doesn't work that way. I can watch something that doesn't turn me on a thousand times; it's never going to start to. And nothing ever makes a kink go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 02:22 AM
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I really just don't see the harm. I didn't cause what happened on the video. I'm not causing it to happen again. No one in the video knows that I watched it or knows who I am. It would be wrong to get in touch with them and tell them, but obviously I'm not going to do that. I tend to have utilitarian ethics: the idea that what make something wrong is the harm it causes, and what makes something right is the good it puts into the world. Torrenting a video and watching it really isn't much of eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 02:12 AM
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Not if you're on a torrent site! And often not even on a streaming site - a great deal of that stuff is pirated/non-monetized.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 02:06 AM
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As with anything, it's an overgeneralization. It's true that I really don't worry about the ethics of what I watch. I just don't buy into the camp that passively watching something is an immoral act. If I didn't commission it and I didn't pay for it, I'm essentially a bystander. It's like slowing down to look at a car crash; it doesn't make you responsible for the crash. But that's me. I know plenty of men who won't watch anything that makes them feel any sense of yick. "Stepsister gets stuck in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:57 AM
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A normal person knows it's just a way of saying "In my experience, myself and most women I know generally feel this way." More often, it means "Here is a popular piece of ideology. Give me my upvotes." Modern feminism very badly wants there to be a "female experience." That's what #yesallwomen and #metoo were about. "We're all fundamentally the same." It is most definitely a shift in focus away from the individual and towards viewing women as a collective. You don't have to be "autistic" to see …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:26 AM
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It can go both ways. There are women who insist on total uniqueness, and then there are women who are comfortable speaking for all women (e.g., "we don't like it when men comment on our bodies, even positively.") Yeah, it's difficult, but important, to keep in mind that people are quite diverse but certainly not unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:32 PM
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While it's true that "how to attract women" advice is really just "how to attract me" advice, it's also true that people are not unique snowflakes and that a strategy that would work on any given "me" would not only work on that individual woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 09:58 PM
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LOL. It's hilarious that you grouped Syrian in with short, obese, and unemployed. It's not hilarious to Syrian incels. They know the struggle is real. But is Zach shorter than his partner? They're pretty similar. Around 5'4". Carl is obese, but what does Carl do for a living and what does his partner do? He's a cost accountant for a spa manufacturer. She works with programmers in an office but doesn't write code. I'm a little vague on what exactly her job is. Are you sure these couples are in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:33 PM
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It's a thing. I know because I've seen it. My wife's weekly board gaming group has spawned about six couples. Zach is short, Gene is Syrian, Carl is obese, Dave is unemployed... but when people get close with others in a community, relationships happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:18 PM
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Sure. There's a group of people who get together to play board games every Sunday. Adam is cool to Beth, makes her laugh, and Beth increasingly looks forward to seeing him. So when he asks if she wants to grab a drink, she says yes. And then they fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:01 PM
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This has nothing to do with hypergamy. That's the point. Most romantic and sexual relationships have nothing to do with "hypergamy."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:54 PM
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Mostly you're swallowing crazy pills. Yes, you're going to see people (yes, both men and women) with a mindset like "I'm an individual of quality and I deserve a partner of quality," where "quality" is based in certain social expectations. You're going to find more people who just meet someone, develop an attraction, and don't worry too hard about whether the next door neighbors are going to consider them a power couple. I think a lot of the crazy comes from people who can't separate "online dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:33 PM
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Women often feel disgust at the thought of having sex with a man she doesn't completely know and trust. That's evolution telling her "If this dude impregnates you and leaves, you and the baby gon' die." And sometimes an exceptionally attractive man can overcome that disgust just by being, you know, exceptionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 05:45 PM
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Yeah, probably. When they don't ban the posters but rather the place they talk to each other, what do they think will be the result?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 05:32 PM
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I agree to some extent that Obama is the new Reagan and that the parties totally flipped in the 2000s on the subject of individual liberty. But I also don't see how this is even remotely on-topic for the subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:23 PM
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So if there's a discussion of what crimes black men most enjoy committing, do we encourage it because we want to have some kind of discussion and without the generalization there's be nothing to talk about, or do we maybe say: what the fuck is this shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:59 PM
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"Women" as a group don't want a damn thing. My wife wants to work every single minute she's awake, and my girlfriend wants to drink every single minute she's awake. My nanny just wants to teach her daughter that Neil Gaiman is awesome, and my singer wants to get high all the time, live in a shabby loft, fuck interesting men, solve math problems, and never talk to her daughter or see another child again. Both feminists and misogynists make the ridiculous mistake of treating men as a collection of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:55 PM
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Yeah, the best thing that can possibly happen to you is to have a group of women hanging out and saying "So what do you think of Turbulent?" and getting favorable answers. Male attraction is different from female attraction. A man sees a woman, he knows how attractive she is. If she's a 6, she's a 6. It's unlikely to change. With women, a guy can enter a conversation with her friends as a 4 and leave as a 7. Even without being in the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:47 PM
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She's pointing out - not without merit - that if any of this bitter depression seeps out in your face-to-face interactions, you have almost certainly chased away women who might have otherwise been interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:43 PM
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Obviously it's not as simple as "sit in a cafe and pussy will present itself." But people who are well-liked in a community they're engaged with almost always eventually end up dating someone from that community. Even the guys who the blackpillers would deem undatable. In my music scene there's a 4'9" dwarf with a twisted spine. There's a guy who went bald at 24. There's a dude pushing 400 pounds. They all ended up dating or marrying fellow musicians. In my wife's board gaming group there's a ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:29 PM
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Counterpoint: The online dating market is garbage for men. It's terrible because Match Group has realized that women are not interested in still photographs and short messages. So they designed a dozen dating apps to keep men single indefinitely while extracting money from them. It's possible that a genuine dating site could be designed, but there's a lot more profit in tapping into misery. The dating market for the 50% of men who still meet women traditionally, through a community, is fine. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:20 PM
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That subreddit uses a weird scale. Most people conceptualize ratings as a "grade." Where 5 is "reasonably average" and 6 is "easy on the eyes" and 8 is "I would like to date someone who looked like that." And if you feel that way about most people, well, then, most people are 8s. r/truerateme uses a standard deviation system. If you rate someone an 8, they send you a message and say "Whoa!! You're claiming that this person is more attractive than 99.25% of the population, since by definition onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 09:13 PM
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They're not, strictly speaking, unified on the question. But they do tend to be traditionalists who believe it's better if a man provides while a woman handles domestic concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:55 PM
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The manosphere considers a "career woman" to be an ambitious woman who focuses most of her time on making money and securing a high-paying salary or building a successful business. Someone who has had a job is not a "career woman." Almost everyone, at some point in their lives, has had a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:46 PM
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Yeah, people want a stable and sane partner. And then they go to the store and see some unstable and insane hottie and think "Damn, I'd like to mush our genitals together." They usually don't. They just go home and watch some Netflix about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:22 PM
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It's an example of the fact that most married people fantasize about people other than their spouse and enjoy seeing those fantasies brought to the screen. This is undeniably true of both men and women. "Stable and sane" are great traits but they don't really get the genitals a-tinglin'. When I go to PornHub and search "Wife has the yearly taxes filed before Valentine's Day," I get zero results.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:19 PM
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They're just a different set of challenges. Life is fucking awful, but we all try to impress each other. As a result, we walk around thinking "My life is awful and other categories of people have it great." But, no, they're also in anguish and wishing for the sweet release of death. I had a bud with a million dollar house and an Argentinian model for a girlfriend. He would have said "fuck you, man, life is sweet." He would have said it the very day before he blew his brains out in the cab of his…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 06:31 PM
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That fact doesn't make you hate bears, it just make you avoid wild forests inhabited by bears This sentence is at the root of the post - you're just making a semantic argument that "hate" is a different concept from "post-traumatic avoidance." Well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Everyone defines different concepts differently. But also, who cares? If Man A and Man B treat women the same way, what does it matter what's inside their brains? Nobody but them actually knows the truth about that, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 05:17 PM
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I don't think it's the same phenomenon at all. "80/20" is a rule that's used to refer to female preference. Prehistoric warlords most likely didn't give a shit about female preference. They probably just said "All the women are mine; touch one and I'll fucking stab you."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 01:50 AM
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It's not complicated. People want, even need, sex and love. When they can't get sex and love because most people prefer something that they aren't, it hurts. Hurt manifests itself as either sadness or anger, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:02 PM
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But are they only talking to brand new couples? There's nothing on the graph that says either way. It's just an anecdote, but when I go out to bars, what I see is an endless sea of 40-60 year old men. Occasionally a group of 28 year old construction workers will make an appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:31 PM
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Instead look at this. That graph doesn't apparently refer to any particular age group. I wish I could see the underlying data and methodology. Is it for new couples only? Where are they finding those couples? It isn't clear. As always, I truly wish "met online" was broken down into "met using OLD" and "met somewhere else online." I'd love to see that breakdown.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:52 PM
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Well, it definitely would have happened without him, that's true. No large-scale historical movement rests solely on the shoulders of a single individual. Still, in this timeline, it does basically start with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:20 PM
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Women are living with their parents just as often. The economy has improved and the phenomenon isn't slowing down but instead accelerating. The phenomenon of men living with their parents doesn't seem to be slowing down at all. Even as the economy improves. Real estate's pretty nuts, so there's that, but also there's this new thing where young men don't want to live in poverty and don't think they should have to. To be blunt, when it comes to relationships, men living with their parents often do…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:15 PM
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No, I'm not suggesting that. As I said in the OP, I think there are three main factors: Men are living with their parents way more often and way longer, for both economic and cultural reasons; People are doing much less socializing in person, the bars are full of old people, and parties seem to barely exist for the young; Online dating is owned by one megacorporation that doesn't want people in relationships. I don't know how to best rank those three, but I do believe they're the primary drivers…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:58 PM
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Maybe. Video dating did used to be a thing. Truth is, you just can't get any sense of who someone is from a few still pictures taken God-knows-when and altered God-knows-how. I think it's a major reason that so many women only use these apps for entertainment and never have any intention of meeting anyone off of one. We're at a point where you can basically catfish even with your own pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:33 PM
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Well, all I can say is that I'm fairly sure that no such thing exists, and if it does exist, it's some beta app somewhere that doesn't have a userbase.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:13 PM
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What is "this game," and what is "a very long time"? There were lots of guys who hardly ever fucked back in prehistoric times too. We think that's true, based on genetic studies, but it probably had nothing to do with female desire. Many prehistoric cultures didn't have two shits to give about what the babymakers did and didn't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:11 PM
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The data was taken yearly. It clearly wasn't - you can easily see that there are 15 discrete data points in a 29-year period. And there's a five-to-six year stretch without a data point right at the moment we're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:09 PM
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The 80/20 split existed long before the internet. Hot guys in the 1970s got way more than their proportionate share of the action. I really don't think that's true at all. I'm pretty sure it's way closer to the truth to say "Hot guys got girlfriends; guys who did cocaine got action." Coke is great. It makes women really horny. Millennials and Zoomers don't do very much of it together these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:05 PM
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That's a very interesting graph, but a frustrating one. There's one data point at what appears to be 2009 ("things seem normal") and then another one at what appears to be 2015 ("oh shit, things broke") and a straight line drawn between them. We don't actually know whether that line represents a linear increase in sexlessness or whether it would look different if there were more points in between. Really, the key question we're talking about is "What did 2011 look like" - and that data is missin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:00 PM
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It does not, because if it did, Match Group would immediately buy it and redesign it into a swiper. Swipers make them very rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:56 PM
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Yes, 70 percent of men had sex in the last year. For 65 percent of them, it was a monthly or bi-yearly occurrence that the woman begrudgingly gave to him to keep the beta bux flowing. It's 69% of 18-24 year old men. And I think it's ridiculous to propose that this is a "betabuxx" situation. Men that young have an average net worth of about negative ten thousand dollars, and they're unemployed at higher rates than women. There are no buxx to beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:50 PM
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Sexlessness started rising in 2008. This is what I have my doubts about. Do you have a cite for it? I can confirm that sexlessness rose sharply between 2000 and 2018, but I can't find any solid numbers that pinpoint when the collapse began. What if it isn't "2008, with Facebook," but rather "2012, when Match Group launched Tinder and established its monopoly over OLD"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:41 PM
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The rise in sexlessness coincides with the introduction of the smartphone and the introduction of FB. I'm still trying to figure out whether that's true. The rise of the Internet (beyond a small group of college nerds and white-collar professionals with AOL CDs) was in 1995, with Windows 95. The rise of the smartphone and Facebook took place in 2007. Match Group bought OkCupid and established a monopoly around 2011. In 2014, Eliot Rodger went on a bloody rampage and accidentally ignited the ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:31 PM
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It won't. That's not how hypergamy works, the 80/20 distribution will continue. It will just be distributed differently. Nobody ever complained about "hypergamy" before Match Group took over the dating space. Instead, we just went out and met people and had sex. I'm 43. Twenty years ago, almost nobody was a virgin. The ugly guys were in relationships. Anyone who said "80 percent of women are shared by 20 percent of men" would have been laughed out of the room. It was complete fucking nonsense on…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:18 PM
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all good apps get big and become tinder with a quirk Specifically because they are bought and redesigned by Match Group. OkCupid was purchased in 2011 for $50 million, and immediately redesigned into "Tinder with a few questions."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:10 PM
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You have a point. "Loyalty and solidarity at all costs" is a mindset that doesn't lead to very good people. It's the mindset of the Mafia. Or white supremacists. Or those flag-wavers who want to "nuke the Arabs till the sand turns to glass." But while it churns out shitty people, it does lead to strength. There's strength in numbers. The Mafia may be bad people, but it's unwise to fuck with them. And right now, women feel that they need strength more than principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:20 PM
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Oh, the irony. You do understand that I can say the same thing about you, right? Do you have any evidence to prove your hypothesis? How do I know you're not just making shit up? I'm using the best evidence I have. I started the thread with "It's a fact that among young (18-24) women, 81% are sexually active, while among young men, 69% are sexually active." That's from here: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066 69% of men aged 18-24 have had sex within the last yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 07:49 PM
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This is a debate about philosophy of science. What counts as science? Something that doesn't have academic evidence does not make it false. It's true that science can't measure every possible thing. But obviously the idea "my experience is the male experience" is not only unscientific, it's wrong. Look, I know a guy who's about 4'9" with a twisted spine. I made a move on a really pretty banjo player and he made his move second and he got her. He dated her for year, then he cheated on her with an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 06:32 PM
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Also, I'm curious about the story behind your username It's two things. I worked at a life extension company for 15 years before it failed and went under; and it's the title of a short song I wrote about my alcoholism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 03:48 PM
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Well, what's more profitable? Hosting hundreds of millions of videos to get people into relationships, or keeping sad and lonely men swiping into a void of apathy for years?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 03:44 PM
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Sometimes! There's no "magic bullet" where you can just go "get" a relationship, and not every relationship is any good. But I can report that, for me and most of the people I know, the non-OLD portions of the Internet are more useful for a decent relationship than the OLD portions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 03:40 PM
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066 According to this study, women were very slightly ahead of men in 2000, and pulled way ahead by 2018.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 05:28 AM
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As of 2021, 6.4% of women and 4.9% of men identify as LGBT+. That's not enough of a differential to explain a 12% gap in sexual activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 03:59 AM
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No, it really isn't. It's "Don't use OLD because you are scraping the very bottom of the barrel. OLD consists of all the people who couldn't find a partner in a more natural way. There is a reason they couldn't find a partner in a more natural way. They are the worst people." It is sad that you've spent so much time witnessing the true nature of the worst people that you think it's the only nature of people that exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 02:40 AM
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"Men generally respond to visual sexual stimuli, such as attractive nude or erotic pictures, or erotic films. Women respond differently to the same sexual stimuli. Some women feel repulsed by muscular, erotic male photos, and some are sexually attracted by emotional or lingual stimulation. In other words, men are more sexually aroused by visual stimuli, but women are more sexually aroused by concrete, auditory, olfactory, touch and emotionally relevant sexual stimulation." https://www.nature.com…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 02:35 AM
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Generally speaking it refers to the fact that women find most men unattractive. That's still not what the research shows. The research shows that women find most still photos of strangers unattractive. There is plenty of research showing that the male and female brain process still photographs differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 01:56 AM
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The 80/20 rule is "80% of the women are shared by 20%" of the men. It is demonstrably false. What you have shown is a study showing that women looking at a still photograph of a stranger will rate him unattractive 80% of the time. That's a very different thing being measured.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 01:29 AM
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It's a fact that among young (18-24) women, 81% are sexually active, while among young men, 69% are sexually active. That implies that at least some sharing is going on. It's certainly not sharing on the level that the red/blackpillers suggest. The "80/20" rule is not based on research or evidence in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 01:08 AM
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So you just meet strangers on Facebook? I have done this many times, through Facebook groups. I have met strangers on YikYak, on Yahoo! Answers, on the non-dating sections of Craigslist, on Discord, on the Hyperbole And a Half Fan Forum, on Uncyclopedia, and even once on MyGirlFund.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:44 PM
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That's interesting, but it doesn't say what you said it did. It says that most people who met online were "previously strangers," not that they used a dating website or app.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:39 PM
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Some online groups have physical meetups. Some don't. As for whether the statistics count it, I think they just ask "Did you meet your partner online." And if you met on Foodies of Richmond, you might well say yes. Also, most importantly: Have you actually done this yourself? And if so, what exact results did it yield? I mean, super hit and miss. But I've done much better in local Facebook groups than on OLD. And yeah, that one's a hybrid online/offline. "Hey, I've written some songs but I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:36 PM
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What's your basis for that claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:09 PM
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Join local communities. "Foodies of Richmond." "Save the Frogs of Washtenaw County." "Chicago Flash Mob Society." Whatever floats your boat. Sure, some of them are on Reddit. Some are on Facebook. Some are on Nextdoor, even. Actively participate in the communities. Don't just start hitting on attractive people; they'll immediately exile you. Talk about things you really care about. If you don't care about anything, start. Then once you're respected and you start to develop a rapport with someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:08 PM
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Yeah, I'll keep on having decent dates and knowing how to follow the very simple rules of a subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:28 PM
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ur generalizing. not all women/men on OLD are bad lol. It's a perfectly fair generalization. If you actually have a community, you'll immediately see that the best people on OLD are just plain worse than even the worst people in your community. And communities are, always have been, and always will be, the best way to meet people. Dating friends of friends works. Dating strangers is a truly shitty strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:25 PM
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I think that's like saying that if you don't eat fast food, you're cutting out a large % of restaurants. Sure, but they're bad restaurants. And OLD gives you bad opportunities. You should pass on the opportunity to scrape the absolute bottom of the dating barrel - the people so thoroughly undesirable that they had to resort to asking people to swipe on their picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:18 PM
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And I'm saying you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:03 PM
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My advice is not to use OLD. Meeting people online is great. Just don't use those fucking dating apps and sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:59 PM
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As I said to the other poster, online doesn't mean OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:56 PM
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40% of couples meet online. I have read that statistic, yes, but I've never seen it broken down into what percent meet using OLD. I've met and dated women on Facebook. I've met and dated a woman from the old Hyperbole and a Half forum. My friend is married to a woman he met on World of Warcraft. Another friend is engaged to a man she met on Twitch. But in my case (and I suspect most cases) it's offline communities that give the best results, nine times out of ten. For me, local music and board g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:51 PM
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What if my dating advice is "Don't use OLD, it isn't a very good way to do things"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:42 PM
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Are you from there? I'm aware of their reputation for having a bit of a rough, "tough guy" culture. I'm not aware of any huge cultural divisions where everyone's in groups that hate other groups and vice-versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 07:06 PM
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I think you'd just be looking for somewhere that doesn't have an adversarial culture where people are at each others' throats all the time. Australia and New Zealand seem like good candidates from where I'm sitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 06:26 PM
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You've made this post before and I'll just give the same response. People who believe in "SMV" and "RMV" aren't pursuing a partner who will improve their lives. They're dating competitively. A man who considers the SMV and RMV of his partner is dating primarily to impress other men. It's like trying to have the most expensive car or handbag. I think that mindset is pathological and I would encourage everyone to resist it as much as possible. The ideal partner is the one who brings the most value…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 05:29 PM
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It is paternalistic and infantilizing for you to lecture women on how they should make their own sexual decisions. Men spouting self-serving disapproval of how women should act and think and have sex the way they want women to is, honestly, about as classically paternalistic as it gets. In contrast, it is not infantilizing for women to decide how to have sex for themselves for their own reasons, even if you personally don’t approve of their reasoning. It's weird how we're close to being on the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 10:54 PM
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Why do you keep saying "shaming" like you think I'd feel bad about doing it? Yes. I'm shaming. I think that living in fear is shameful. I think you should be ashamed of it. And any woman who doesn’t fuck fast enough is “spreading cancer”. Nope. I've clarified four times now and you're refusing to hear it. Refusing to fuck = fine. Saying that "women" agree not to fuck because it's too damn scary = cancer. Did you hear it this time? I doubt it. You're entitled to your own fear. But when you procla…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 09:26 PM
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I also don’t really care about your outraged white-knighting for women. It seems pretty self-serving to me, because I honestly don’t know any women who would be offended at the idea that they wouldn’t feel safe and comfortable fucking every man they meet. I think most would find it more offensive to be called “weak” for considering the risks before fucking. Well, I'm guessing you only know left-wing women in their twenties. I actually know some strong women, who believe that sex is enjoyable, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 09:05 PM
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I don't know that this is even a problem that calls for a solution. My advice? Accept that you probably won't get married and have kids for another ten years, and in the interim, have a series of temporary relationships with any man who adds value to your life without anchoring you down. I'm not sure that's even "advice," so much as "a description of what you're probably going to do."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:51 PM
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I think age says a lot about this. People in their twenties are often just pure unbridled ambition. "I will make all the money and make a name for myself and conquer the world!" And then in their thirties they often switch gears into a family mindset. "Okay, I did that for a decade, now I'd like to put down roots and raise some kids." And then in their forties they're just so, so fucking tired. So successful women in their twenties are often looking to be half of a "power couple" and looking for…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:43 PM
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Being fucked and then dumped is way more likely than being murdered by a serial killer, come on. Most certainly. But is it trauma? If you go on a date with someone, and there's chemistry, and you end up in bed, and then you text them the next day and they don't respond, is this trauma? Like, the kind of trauma that could cause severe psychological harm and leave you with PTSD, waking up in cold sweats from nightmares and feeling afraid to leave the house? To my way of thinking, such an experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:48 PM
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Being cautious about fucking men isn’t “living your life based on fear”, though. It’s basic risk assessment No. It isn't. The mall might contain a mass shooter. The roads may contain a drunken idiot. The guy you go on a date with may be a serial killer. Basic risk assessment means shrugging off small risks and living your life anyway. As I said to the other poster, pregnancy is a risk for both men and women. Women can choose to have an abortion; men are at the mercy of the woman's decision. Yet …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:33 PM
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I can't tell if you can't understand my position or if you're misrepresenting it on purpose, but either way, talking to you is worthless. It is pathetic and shameful to live your life based on fear. That is the point I have been making all along, and you really, really want it to be a different one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 04:20 PM
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It doesn’t have to be extreme trauma to not want to waste time with a man who’s just going to dump her anyways. And plenty of men don’t lose interest, they never had real interest in her in the first place beyond finding a convenient sheathe for their dick. Why is it “weak” to be smart and avoid that trashy shit? This is always the problem with trying to have the same conversation with two people. No, of course it isn't pathetic for a woman to say "I only want permanent relationships; I'm making…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:58 PM
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I'm not being that specific, am I? The argument is that every woman has to "protect" herself from the extreme trauma of having a man lose interest in a relationship with her after he's already slept with her. That's pathetic. And, yes, I shame it. Shame exists, and people that weak should feel some.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:59 PM
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When a woman gets pregnant, the man's entire financial future is in her hands. Men get STDs too, and just like women, the worst-case scenario is that we can literally die from them. And when we don't cum, we're a little disappointed and embarrassed, but we don't get PTSD over it. We just don't take the same kind of terrified attitude about sex. And you know what? Women didn't used to, either. It's new. Ten years ago the prevailing feminist message was "women are just as emotionally strong as men…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:39 AM
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I said nothing about "assurances of permanence". But try telling a woman before sex that you just see her a quick fuck and you'd never consider a relationship with her, and see if she still wants to fuck you Yeah, there's a healthy middle ground. I consider it "three or four text chats and two in-person dates." It's actually more harmful to believe that women can/should act like men sexually. Women still take on all the physical and emotional danger of sex. I get that most men are stronger than …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:16 AM
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And it has not been my experience that "women in general" demand on assurances of permanence before having sex, lest they get "hurt" by a relationship that later ends. I believe that to be firmly the exception, not the rule. And I also find it more than a little pathetic - it suggests that something was "taken from you" if it doesn't work out after sex, but it's fine if it doesn't work out before sex. That is really just another example of the misogynist belief that women are diminished every ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:56 AM
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100% of the sex I have, has to be with a man who I like, trust, respect, and feel very attracted to. That's not "damage," that's what women have always wanted and will always want You really shouldn't claim to speak for all women. I know my desires and tastes and practices aren't those of all men. Lately, men seem to understand that, and women just don't. "As a woman, I like to be spanked in bed." "As a woman, I prefer romance novels to action movies." "As a woman, I can only orgasm with the aid…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:19 AM
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Anyone who's so terrified of "getting hurt" by losing my interest that she can't bring herself to have sex with me for months is very clearly doing it as a result of trauma and psychological damage. Fortunately I've met many women who aren't timid and terrified. Terrified does really seem to be in style these days, though, doesn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 01:41 AM
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And for the vast majority of humanity we were riddled with parasites and shitting in our drinking water. Crazy exists within the context of a culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 12:59 AM
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Ok. Can you wait to get to know someone before this happens? A little bit! I like to text and stuff. I don't expect first-date sex. If you need me to meet you six times and wait a month, then... I will just move right on to someone with less damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 12:58 AM
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Well, yeah, obviously if a woman tells me "I won't have sex with you without a lifelong commitment," I will recognize her as a crazy person and wish her the best of luck in her future endeavors.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 12:18 AM
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Because he speaks the truth. Sex is one of the many things I want. I want good conversation. I want to write a song with you. I want to play our song at open mics. It'll be awesome. But yeah, I also want to put my penis fully inside your vagina. All the way up in there. And then we'll get back to the other stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 11:56 PM
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I see it a little differently. The "they" that are doing it are click-based advertisers. They don't want to "conquer" us - they just want us to click. They want us to think that looking at their ads is part of fighting a war for the soul of civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 04:55 PM
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Feminism from 2014 onward. Internet feminism. Woke feminism. It's quite a lot different from the third wave back in the '90s and '00s - sex-positive feminism that was actually positive about sex. Athletes and riotgrrls and "girl power." We've come a long way from Gabby Reece to Luis Suarez.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 04:35 PM
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So, I'm an older Redditor. And so I grew up with third-wave feminism rather than this fourth-wave stuff. And one of our key beliefs was: any worthwhile idea can come from anywhere. In fact, ignoring someone's perspective because of their identity is the very definition of bigotry. We all have minds capable of reason. We all have perspectives worthy of being heard. Everyone. Man and woman, black and white, straight and gay, Christian and atheist, everyone. Somehow, seven years ago or so, this ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 04:25 PM
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One things has changed. The amount of women on this sub that absolutely hate guys that play video games and watch porn. I've seen comments saying it's making them sexless, holding them back from going to higher education or even employment and failing society. Do you really believe it is holding men back today? Is there something I am missing? I'm an older guy. And I grew up liking video games. In my group I was the guy who really liked video games. So I'd plug in the PlayStation and pop in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 03:51 PM
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Eh, I consider 25 to be extremely young. Now I'm 43 and I'm like "Wait! I don't want it all to be over!" and life is like "lol well, it is. Enjoy your gray hair and broken body and the utter disgust everyone feels if they learn you're horny. Now I'm gonna get to work on taking your mind, too." 29 was one of the worst years of my life and 30 was one of the best. You've got a lot of potentially great years ahead of you - if the culture cooperates. I don't know. Maybe you should learn Portuguese an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 03:36 PM
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Yeah, it's funny - I'm 5'8", overweight, not particularly attractive, anxious, and I like video games. And I don't have a particularly charming "personality." Most people find me grating. And when I was 25 I had four different girlfriends and then got engaged. I think that's all down to just being born in 1978. At age 18, my parents (gently) told me to get out of their house. So I lived in poverty. And there's only so long you can hang out in a centipede-infested apartment with a Pentium 1 and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 03:14 PM
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I think this is a common phenomenon in general: Group A is in conflict with Group B, and a noob wanders in and says "Well, I think Group A has a point." Then Group B says: ATTACK! TEAR THAT MOTHERFUCKER TO SHREDS! And the noob says "Okay! Clearly Group B are pieces of shit and Group A is completely right!" It happens with virtually any and every point of passionate disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 02:04 AM
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Yeah, I would agree that there's no single cause. I think the big three are: Socializing in person is way, way down; many young people do the vast majority of their socializing on their phones; Living with parents through one's mid-twenties is way up, which isn't very conducive to relationships; Men are caught in this culture where they're both expected to make the first move and also criticized for being assertive, and many men have no idea how to navigate that. And on that last one, despite re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 01:39 AM
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I'd say it's updated my views somewhat. When I stumbled across all the "pills," I was already 40, and I just said "lol, this is all ridiculous bullshit." Over the last three years, I've come to realize that it's only half ridiculous bullshit - that the entire dating culture and landscape has changed immensely in the last ten years and that people my age are struggling to even see that the change has taken place, because we don't date partners that young. I've been able to confirm that it is inde…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 01:24 AM
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No. Most people don't want everything 50/50. Anyone who's ever tried that knows that when you insist in fairness in all things, the relationship immediately becomes adversarial and you fight until you don't love each other anymore and just want the other one gone. Eventually people realize that what they want isn't "fairness," it's just to know that each partner actually cares about making the other partner's life better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 11:09 PM
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I have found it a very reasonable strategy for someone to meet a bunch of people on first dates and then narrow it down for the second. If you're not having sex with me after the second date... well, then, we aren't compatible, and I'm finished. But expecting sex after the introductory date is just ridiculous. You're turning down everybody who's doing anything more than just trolling for sex with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 10:59 PM
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Because you guys disagree a LOT about how much your average person in the US or Canada or wherever desires kids. I'm not sure we do. My argument is that the way we structure relationships is based on nesting for the sake of children. For example, monogamy makes absolutely no sense outside the context of family; it's a weird leftover artifact of a time when most everyone wanted and expected to have children. Also, do you really think the norm for childrearing in most of human history was the nucl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 08:11 PM
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Of course it does. 24% of Americans attend church every single week. Their daughters face immense familial and religious pressure. Those women are unlikely to have multiple sexual partners and unlikely to divorce you. But they are very likely to get their three kids out of you and never have sex with you again. They're also likely to flat-out refuse to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 07:01 PM
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There's plenty of evidence n count correlates to divorce risk and cheating risk though. And correlation is a tricky beast. For example, women who aren't allowed to date often also aren't allowed to divorce. And that simple fact is going to create that correlation. But I don't want to date a deeply religious woman from a repressive culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:51 PM
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It is not. It is when the counterargument being presented is simply that the original argument is wrong because of a characteristic of the individual making it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:45 PM
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A high n count woman is more likely to get bored, cheat, and take half your stuff in divorce That just isn't true. I doubt there's any correlation whatsoever, and even if there were, correlation does not apply well to individual cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:44 PM
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Her argument then is an ad hominem emotional attack No. It isn't. Why do people who throw around the names of informal logical fallacies never have any idea what they actually mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:42 PM
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I admire your optimism, but we haven't figured out Telomere Attrition & Stability nevertheless using hTERT (which is really untested). It wouldn't even be the fix to our problems as there are a myriad of cellular issues to get through. I really don't think so. Ron DePinho's experiments on telomerase-deficient mice have really demonstrated that those "myriad of cellular issues" are caused by short telomeres. All of our problems with inflammation, etc. - telomeres are the kingpin. Agreed, Biology …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:41 PM
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It's pretty obvious. She's saying unsuccessful men are simply jealous of women who have had active sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:36 PM
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That would be just about the worst system of risk assessment possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:35 PM
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Her value to me has nothing to do with how many times she has or hasn't had sex in the past. This is a common thread I see with incels and redpillers: they talk about relationships essentially in terms of competition with other men. Like a primary function of having a girlfriend is to be able to parade her in front of other guys and say "Look! I did better than you! I win."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:20 PM
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The thing about your "value" system is that it isn't objective or universal. You can describe your system in great detail, but it still remains your system. I've been dating for 25 years, and the thought "how much market value does this woman have" has never once crossed my mind. All that I care about is: will she make my life better. Will my life be easier or harder. Will she interest or annoy me. Will she open up my social life or collapse it down. Will I feel sexually fulfilled or frustrated.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:15 PM
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The most significant effect is that we'll have to regulate families. We just will. If we let people have kids whenever they feel like, we'll overrun the planet and live in a world of constant hunger and war and misery. So if there's a sixty-year wait-list to have a child, of course that changes everything about the nature of relationships. Every cultural norm of relationships is centered around the idea that relationships are essentially nests for raising children in. Even "non-breeders" just ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 05:40 PM
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OP isn't talking about Derrida or Don DeLillo. This isn't a thread about femininity being replaced by a media-driven simulacrum of femininity based on cycles of nostalgia for 19th century femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:19 PM
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"Postmodern" is s word that usually means "After World War 2." In that sense, all feminism that isn't extremely first-wave (e.g. women's suffrage) is postmodern. That is 75 years of feminism. Multiple movements over multiple generations. It isn't useful to talk about it in one big breath. Academics usually see feminism in terms of four "waves": First Wave: 1850-1960 Second Wave: 1960-1990 Third Wave: 1990-2014 Fourth Wave: 2014-Present Truth is, every wave has completely freaked out older men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 03:31 PM
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"People would prefer to have sex with attractive people, but, well, any port in a storm." It's not like this has uncovered anything profound about human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 06:21 PM
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The ultimate fear that I have is that I find a lady, get married, have kids, put my whole everything into it, and then go on to lead a passionless, sexless life with a woman who only used me as a means to an end... Yeah, that's why we have sex with other women. Maybe even divorcing me to catch a payday and live a life without me. Parenting is fucking hard and it's so much harder to do single. You kind of have to be an utterly worthless father before a woman decides she'd rather be a single mothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 04:50 PM
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It's the culture. It's an incredibly judgmental culture. Why? Because it's profitable. It's fun watching shows where the theme is "Oh, hell no, girl, you are not wearing that." It's less fun watching shows where everybody generally gets along. And there's fallout that trickles down from the news that touches every corner of our lives. Because the news makes all its money by selling us the general theme: everybody is fucking horrible but you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 09:12 PM
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Poly and casual are kinda two entirely different things. Yes, I'm non-monogamous. But nothing is casual with an autistic child in the mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:37 PM
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I'm polyamorous for the last ten years. It's worked for me. My monogamous marriage ended so fucking horribly that I nearly killed myself. With polyamory the stakes are much lower. There's never a reason for screaming breakups. You just focus your attention elsewhere until it cools down. And you've always got another dude to pick up the shit you don't want to do. If she's like "come clothes shopping with me," you can say "Why not take Fashionable Dan? The guy who actually gives a shit?" Some peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 08:27 PM
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many guys aren't willing to accept that they are at the very bottom And, frankly, "the bottom" usually means "depressed, angsty, and potentially violent." Many mentally ill men blame their loneliness on literally anything except their mental illness. Depression defends itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 07:21 AM
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No, you didn't disprove the claim, you just said you didn't care about it and you arbitrarily decided the 80/20 rule had meaning to you personally. And now you're breaking the rules of the sub by repeatedly downvoting, because you're an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:39 AM
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I will when you back up your original claim My original claim is that 69% of young men are sexually active, and I backed it up in the very first post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:27 AM
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The burden of proof was on you That is something that is only said by someone who has already lost. If "80" and "20" are numbers that have any connection, whatsoever, to the real world - then put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise you're engaging in astrology and finding flimsy excuses to insist it's everyone else's burden of proof to prove that Geminis aren't really two-faced.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:11 AM
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Rager, if you're married to the 80/20 rule, show me one single piece of actual academic research that supports those numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:54 AM
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If you had read it, the study I posted specifically said that young men are having sex less frequently. Twenty years ago, 81% of young men were sexually active. Today, only 69% of young men are sexually active. But that number "bottom 80% of males"? Incel garbage with no basis in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:47 AM
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the bottom 80% of males This is just absolute incel garbage. The number "80%" has no basis in a single scientific study. 69% of men between 18-24 have had sex at least once within the last year. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:23 AM
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Oh yeah? Well if women think dating is only about sex, then why do none of the women I date want to have sex with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 10:03 PM
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I agree with you to an extent. Unless you're talking specifically about money. In which case it's important to note that money is only one of many, many forms of "relationship currency."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 04:42 AM
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It's complicated. He's one of my oldest friends, but the drug addiction both made him unpleasant and led him to do bad things to good people. But I have a philosophical belief in helping the undeserving poor. Everyone will help the deserving poor. It isn't even virtuous. It's just a way to make you feel good about yourself with your extra resources. If it isn't real sacrifice, then it isn't spiritually useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 03:51 AM
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I think in this case I meant a commitment to be willing to self-sacrifice in times of need for putting another person equal to or above yourself. The thing is, I can do that philosophically, and I can even do it for people I don't particularly like. I let a homeless friend from high school crash on my couch for eleven months even though it drove me completely fucking crazy. Is that love? ...maybe, but it has nothing to do with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 03:40 AM
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I'm not sure what role the "four cultural categories" play in this study. The article simply claims that Unwin found evidence of "more advanced" literature, art, science, furniture, architecture, engineering in societies with enforced sexual rules. Leaving aside for the moment the question of what "more advanced art and furniture" is, what we're seeing is a correlation. Assuming that "enforced sexual rules -> better furniture" would be unwarranted. Rather, it's likely that a factor C, like "stri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 01:55 AM
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is love separate from sex? Emotion isn't separate from sex for me. I don't enjoy sex with someone I don't have some kinds of emotions for. Some kind of closeness, or admiration, or... hell, even hatred will do in a pinch. As for "love," that's a big word that means about a thousand things and also nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 12:55 AM
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I think it's just a reflection of the fact that when you get over an ex, you're a lot more confident and emotionally healthy than you were, which makes you a lot more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 10:08 PM
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And this is part of why the more people in their twenties live with their parents, the fewer people in their twenties have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:59 PM
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i'm in favor of eliminating families. I see. Well, then, this isn't so much a rational debate as a basic axiomatic incompatibility, where you are my enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 07:10 PM
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Well, obviously we have to have anal sex with each other in order to get sufficient data on our comparative sexual function. I'm straight, but this is for science.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 07:05 PM
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do you think female circumcision should be decriminalized, then? Circumcision is a specific practice. "Female circumcision" is a wide array of practices that range from "Well, I don't like it but I can respect other cultures" to "Okay, that's just flat-out mutilation." It's a spectrum. Many Hispanic families pierce their daughters' ears on the day they're born. That could theoretically qualify as "mutilation," but I'm not going to go advocating that the government shut it down. We have hundreds …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 07:03 PM
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It's not the government's penis, either. If I've got a six thousand year old religious tradition and the government says "Your people are wrong, always have been wrong, and the ethics of the party in power at this time and place are all that matters," well, that's oppressive and tantamount to cultural genocide. And it's exactly what China is doing with the Uyghurs. They're saying "being like you is incorrect; instead you must be like us. We shall re-educate all your children."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 06:52 PM
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In general, I do not like the government telling families how to be families. Something needs to be really bad to warrant government intervention. Otherwise, leave the family unit alone and let them act autonomously. The U.S., once called "the land of the free," is increasingly regulating every single facet of our lives from cradle to grave. And while some people think that's great, I detest it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 06:48 PM
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Well, this is just the most controversial of all topics. I'm circumcised. I don't mind it at all. My sexual function is great. There are psychotic intactivists on Reddit who try to convince me that my sexual function is not great. I challenge them to a sexual duel and they always decline. I decided not to circumcise my son. There's always that small risk that the circumcision will somehow be botched, and, yes, it puts the choice in his hands. I think it's a much smaller deal than some people mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 06:37 PM
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Women are complicated and certainly not all the same. It is certainly not uncommon for a woman's sexuality to be, essentially, a mirror. She looks in the mirror, she sees herself. She looks at herself in the mirror standing next to a man. Does she look better to herself than before? Then she will be attracted to that man. Maybe his height makes her seem feminine. Maybe his status makes her seem successful. Maybe his wit makes her seem clever. Maybe his social group makes her seem popular. Maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:55 PM
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It's completely impossible for him to grasp the concept of cleaning up a mess. It's not that I can't teach him to clean up behind himself; I can't teach him what a mess is. Right now we're lying in bed watching Liberty Mutual commercials because it's his favorite "show." He's trashing my room but it's okay, I don't really have much of anything in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:22 PM
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Six next month.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:19 PM
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I'm seven hours into wandering around picking up after my autistic kid, and I'm starting to question whether the phrase "die of boredom" is just an idiom. Just when you think you've got relationships kinda figured out - bam. Autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:07 PM
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It's quite natural for people to believe that anything that is unethical in their own culture is unethical globally. There are examples that apply to all of us. A Saudi man says "women must cover their entire bodies and faces"; a Saudi woman says "yes, that is the correct interpretation of the Scriptures," and we say "What the fuck, that's just oppressive and wrong." Maybe that example doesn't apply to you, but very, very few people truly have a live-and-let-live mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 10:36 PM
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When someone's being a dick, it's pretty low-hanging fruit to say "Look, dude, you're so incompetent that you can't achieve the one single thing you want in life." And I suspect that accounts for more than 90% of virgin-shaming. Just an easy, lazy argument you can smack someone with because he's being a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 08:48 PM
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It's a well so deep no one can reach the bottom, yeah. Different people are able to dive different depths, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 07:52 PM
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Yeah, tech tends to either attract or create a certain kind of man - one who is very good at the narrow and deep experience of diving into a specific problem, and one who is very bad at the shallow and broad experience of dating and cohabitating with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 07:23 PM
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Maybe you make your friends through work? I'm a musician, so I make most of mine through the art and music scene. Although not always. I also have forum friends living with a boyfriend or husband who doesn't do much, and it's just more trouble to get rid of him than to let it go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 06:58 PM
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My thoughts are that none of this matches my experiences. I actually know quite a few guys who are depressed layabouts being carried through life by their girlfriends. It's a shockingly common lifestyle these days. None of them are particularly pretty men. The world is kind of shitty right now, it breaks a lot of men, and, well, women who don't live with their parents often like having somebody around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 06:43 PM
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I need a woman to tell me what she likes. I'm not a bloody mind reader. And I'm well aware that the exact same thing that will give one woman an orgasm will send another running for the hills. So, absolutely, communicate. But if a woman said "let me offer you a little constructive criticism," I hope we're doing some teacher-student roleplay because otherwise I'm going to be quite turned off by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 03:00 PM
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We live in a society where everything's a crime and everyone's a criminal. So there are different categories of "criminal." Obviously. The guy who drinks a beer in the passenger seat (gasp) is different from the guy who cuts people's ears off. There are so many laws - literally hundreds of thousands of them - that if you follow them all you really are living the life of a robot. And only people with very specific fetishes want to fuck a robot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 05:58 PM
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Yes, there is blatant misogyny there; there is blatant feminism here and all across Reddit. So that argument shouldn’t hold any water. Only if you consider feminism and misogyny to be two sides of the same coin - which most people don't. Feminism is a lot more complicated than that, with its many waves and modes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 05:51 PM
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I’m arguing that two people come into marriage with expectations. Sure. Not necessarily those ones. The expectations we came into my marriage with were basically "We'll put the kid first" and "We'll always assume good faith." She's rather successful and independent, and I prefer bigger women, so I don't know why we'd have the expectations you listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 05:20 PM
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Pretty similar to red flags in women. The three most common ones are "excessive anger," "difficulty communicating," and "a lack of passion for anything." And then there are five thousand less common ones, which I shall not enumerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 08:41 AM
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I think "pills" are stupid. I have redpill beliefs, and bluepill beliefs, and blackpill beliefs, and beliefs that nobody other than me has. I think what I'd teach my daughter is: Check for red flags and don't date men with them. If you don't see red flags, stop being skeptical and afraid. Go all in, fearlessly. If you don't have kids, and it turns out it's not good, cut bait immediately. Never stay in a bad relationship. Once you have kids, your life belongs to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 08:35 AM
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"Question for women" was definitely the wrong flair for this. I do like rape in my porn. I like seeing women raping men, men raping women, and especially women raping women. I'm a pretty good husband, too. The thing about porn is that you tend to compartmentalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 08:23 AM
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People who look at the question in terms of "whose fault is this problem" rather than "what is the cause of this problem" are never going to make any useful contributions to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 04:58 PM
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Well, autism runs in my family, so I have a tendency to gravitate towards high-functioning autistic people. My father, great-grandfather, both uncles, boss, son, and two best friends from school - all autistic. Every one of them except my son has sex and relationships. And my son is five, so there's still time. Relationships did come a little harder to my friends. One of them married a woman who didn't speak much English and another had two kids with the worst woman in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 04:55 PM
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By and large.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 04:51 PM
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I know many high-functioning autistic people and they all date, have sex, and marry. Awkwardness isn't such a problem. The biggest impediment to dating is mental illness. Which can lead to a horrible vicious cycle where loneliness causes depression, and then depression turns you into an utterly intolerable partner. As for height... yes, being short shrinks your dating pool. It doesn't eliminate it. I have friends who are 5'2" and 4'10. They date.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 01:14 AM
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That article is paywalled. Tried incognito mode; didn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 11:32 PM
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Sure, they're super fucking trolly. But I don't know what they'd have to gain by claiming to live with their mom when they in fact lived in apartments.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 11:30 PM
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I slightly agree but you could always use hotels But then, the question: how many women are actually interested in a relationship where her boyfriend hangs out with her for a couple hours to fuck her in a hotel, and then goes back to his childhood home and eats his mom's cooking and goes to bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 10:32 PM
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Do you have the statistics for young women of the same ages living at home vs on their own? I couldn't find that exact statistic. I did find one that said that about 53% of youths living with parents are men while 47% of them are women. So it appears to be a fairly even split. Interestingly, this didn't change the rate of sexlessness among young women very much. It's only declined a few percent. Other relevant question; if the guy still lives with his parents and therefore has less privacy, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 10:18 PM
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Well, 12% fewer 18-24 year old men are having sex compared to in 2000, and 14% fewer young men are living independently from their parents. I bet that's the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 09:55 PM
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A couple years I posted a poll to r/braincels and asked the incels: what's your living situation? Parents? Dorm? Apartment? Homeowner? Got a few hundred responses, and over 95% of them reported living with their parents. Wish I could link to that, but, you know, it's a banned sub. What's remarkable is that over the last 20 years, the incidence of men living with parents has increased at almost exactly the same rate that the incidence that young men having sex decreased. https://ibb.co/93KbcQr
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 09:11 PM
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Women also live with their mom why isn't it affecting them? It is. Fewer women are having sex than 20 years ago. In the last 20 years, the proportion of young women having sex has decreased from 84.9% to 81.9%. Meanwhile, the proportion of young men having sex has decreased from 81.1% to 69.1% That's a much bigger drop-off for men than women, though it's a drop-off for both of them. Why? Because women don't want men who are living with their moms. I threw together this chart really quick. Look h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 08:14 PM
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And they couldn't in 2000, either. The epidemic of sexlessness is only about twenty years old. It's going to fit another phenomenon that's about twenty years old. And I think I know what that phenomenon is. https://ibb.co/93KbcQr
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 08:09 PM
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Your not realizing that women don't need men to provide for them anymore or at least as much, we live in the 21st century, where feminism rules all and most women don't really need a man, because they can acquire a job for resources. This causes woman's value to be overinflated because of all the guys who want her, because of how scarce women become in the dating market. Therefore, this causes her to only go after the chad. But our desires didn't evolve in the 21st century. They're ancient. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 07:35 PM
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Those numbers are just made-up bullshit. The truth is that among 18-to-24 year olds, 31% of men and 20% of women are sexually inactive. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 07:31 PM
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Ten thousand years ago, only a percentage - an alarmingly small percentage - of the children in that tribe were going to reach adulthood and have children of their own. Your genetic survival meant ensuring that the ones who survived were your children. Not just "some" children. Hell, just look at all the strong independent single mothers out there. In a technological world, it's possible. But we didn't evolve our desires in a technological world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 07:27 PM
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No, that's nonsense. Women are fundamentally the same beings they were in 1999, or 1900, or 1200, or 4000 B.C.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 07:25 PM
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They've been evolving long before that. But "the entire tribe" is not going to give special attention to your children, make sure they thrive and succeed and have successful children of their own. Only a partner will do that. Which is why women need a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 07:17 PM
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Again, the data does not back you up on this. Are people meeting online? Absolutely. Mostly on social media, sometimes on dating sites. Are large numbers of women all sharing small numbers of guys? No. It's not happening. It's an insane incel conspiracy theory. What's really happening is that sexual inactivity has been skyrocketing for both sexes. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066 By age 20, 21% of women are still virgins. This is unprecedented. It's four or fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 07:12 PM
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Again, if women had evolved to think they could secure any man who would stick it in her, this species would be extinct. The availability of cock from attractive men is not new. It goes back to prehistory. Men want to fuck every single woman in the village. Women want commitment and loyalty. If women twenty thousand years ago had just "I only want Chad's cock," they would have all gotten pregnant and then starved to death because there was absolutely no way they could feed themselves while pregn…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 07:04 PM
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It's exactly what the data is saying. It is a very small proportion of women who have causal sex with partners they meet online. Men outnumber women on Tinder by a ratio of about 8-to-1, and most of the women on Tinder never meet anyone for sex. They don't want causal sex. They don't find it sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:58 PM
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No. They aren't. That is a lie you've been told that is very easy to falsify with a little basic research. Women aren't having endless casual sex using OLD. They aren't having sex at all. Women are sexless at a much higher rate than they were twenty years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:53 PM
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Yes, we all prefer a partner who has good genes and will make better babies. But at the end of the day, a woman's genes know that if she has no babies who survive to adulthood, that is a matter of extinction. It is the worst catastrophe possible. So a woman who doesn't secure the prettiest boy at school for herself will become aroused by a less pretty man who will defend her children to the death. Twenty years ago, you know, that was completely obvious. The ugly guys had girlfriends. They got th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:51 PM
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The rare of sexlessness for women has also increased. All evidence shows that. It is only a tiny minority of women who use OLD to seek a steady supply of casual sex. Certainly less than five percent and probably less than one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:47 PM
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There's a difference between our desires and our conscious thoughts. Our conscious thoughts can be anything. They're super flexible. But our desires are given to us by millions of years of evolution. A woman does not consciously think "Babies, I want babies." Often she thinks the opposite. But her genetic desires are looking for a man who would defend her babies to the death. And if a man doesn't remind her on some instinctive level of someone who will defend her babies to the death... she's far…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:45 PM
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A person's genes don't want "natural selection." They want to replicate. And they want to replicate in such a way that you'll have an unbroken line of descendants. Everything about or psychology and our desires is built on this principle. So men's genes program us to think: "I gotta get this seed out. I gotta get it into a woman. Damn, I need it so much. If I don't get this seed out, I'll go crazy. I'll get angrier and angrier. I'll kick other men's asses so there's less competition." And women'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:40 PM
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Evidence suggests that most of them aren't having sex at all. This 80/20 rule or whatever it's called makes absolutely zero sense from a genetic perspective. And if you want to understand human behavior, the genetic perspective is usually where you have to look.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:29 PM
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My theory is that women are having a hard time getting what they need from men. When it comes to women, what really makes them horny is the subconscious feeling that a man is starting a family with her. That they're on the road to facing life together as a team. It doesn't have to literally mean they're on a path to having children, but it has to remind her of that on some basic instinctive level. Yeah, there have always been pretty people who just roll around with each other. But for everyone e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:23 PM
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or you just don't want to (most women). Twenty years ago, most women wanted to have sex. So they got boyfriends and had sex with them. There hasn't been a biological change in the species. But the rate of sexlessness has skyrocketed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:13 PM
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I think it's fear culture. Parents have been raising their children to be terrified of everything. "Don't drink alcohol or it will ruin your life! Don't have sex or it will ruin your life! Men will rape you and abuse you! The streets are full of pedophiles! Stay in your rooms and do your homework!" And then people turn 18 and the fear culture remains. "Don't move out! You'll be poor! If you're poor you might have to live amongst criminals! You'll get stabbed!" So there are just millions and mill…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:20 PM
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We cheat because we're not getting our needs met by the relationship. Sexual, emotional, whatever. Needs are going unmet. "Why not just break up/divorce"? Anybody asking this obviously doesn't have kids. It's easy to fall out of love with your wife. You'll probably never fall out of love with your kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:43 PM
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You'd still likely be stronger than her. She'd just have more weight to throw around. My husband is a smaller man about 140. I've weighed more than him at times. At no point was our strength even close to equal. We wrestle around and it's insane how weak I am compared to him. I honestly really doubt it. I was just not strong. Two years later I dated a co-worker who had five years and twenty pounds on me, and I had the same experience you did - she could handle me like I was a child. Another time…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 08:18 PM
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So you felt like all those women could physically over power you if they wanted? Some of em, yeah. At age 19 I was 135 pounds. The women who decided not to take no for an answer were probably closer to 200. And there were three of them. I wasn't in fear for my life. I did worry they were going to strip me naked in broad daylight and in public. I'd never, ever claim that no rape is traumatic. But when people say all sexual assault is traumatic, well, I know that isn't right either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 07:48 PM
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Yeah, it's the same for me. I haven't had anyone shove anything inside of me. There's no tragedy. But I've been groped and fondled and molested many times. Often in my teens. Sometimes by women, sometimes by gay men. The gay men always stopped when I said no; the women rarely did. And yet - no trauma. And I don't even look back on it unpleasantly. It feels actually kind of cool that a bunch of biker women pulled me up on their tailgate and stuck their hands under my clothes even though I told th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 07:44 PM
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Nobody is telling men your opinions don't matter Well, that's a lie. Women tell me my opinions don't matter practically every time I type something. Yes, sometimes they phrase it as "don't speak over me." But it's the Internet. I read what you said; now I want to share what I think. We take turns that way. I can't literally type on top of your text. As a non-moderator, it is literally impossible for me to silence you. But they say: no. Shut up. Don't post, just listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 07:41 PM
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I’m truly sorry that you’ve been sexually assaulted. That’s horrible. And I hope you saw therapy for it. Thing is, it wasn't horrible. I'd even say the experiences were equal parts positive and negative. I don’t think the general attitude in response to being raped is “yeah I get raped sometimes, it’s fine.” It's absolutely not the general attitude. Which is why people who have experienced it are often scared to tell their stories. It means angry judgment - "Is this person trying to normalize ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 07:37 PM
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Can you explain exactly what value this comment brings in response to her complain AS A WOMAN? It's me expressing how I feel AS A MAN. She spoke her truth, I spoke mine, and you're offended that I dared to communicate. And you're intent on shaming me into silence or starting a brigade to agree that my words are worthless. This is quite exactly what I mean when I say I feel discriminated, dismissed, and double-standarded all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 07:33 PM
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If I can never worry about getting discriminated/abused/followed/harrassed/raped/roofied/slutshamed/dismissed/paid-less/double-standards/victim-blamed/gas-lighted, I will happily trade all the casual sex I will ever have in my life. You know, it's an interesting subject to me. I'm a man, and on paper I've been sexually assaulted at least half a dozen times. It just didn't bother me much and wasn't very traumatic. It's a taboo subject to talk about. It makes people very uncomfortable to hear abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 07:22 PM
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It's a beautiful home and there's clearly some big money somewhere. That said, women don't just like men with money because they like to buy endless amounts of shit - they like that it confers a certain social capital on them. And marrying a disabled man confers another kind of social capital. It makes people say "Wow, she doesn't have a shallow bone in her body. She's a beautiful soul. A saint." I believe that the most important factor in dating isn't as simple as "money" or "attractiveness" - …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 06:05 PM
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I'd think so, except that she not only swiped on me but sent the first message. Which was "hey".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 05:48 PM
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Like they think airplanes fly because of magic and that carrots are fruit? In this case I couldn't get more than five consecutive characters out of her. If I had asked her if carrots were fruit she would have said "idk." If I had asked her if she liked carrots she would have said "ya." If I had asked her if she wanted to meet for drinks she would have said "ok." sigh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:31 PM
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certainly not in a hyper-competitive city like London. That's probably the most important part of this post. I have long observed that sexual behavior in huge, densely-packed cities is very different from everywhere else. When I mention I've been sexually frustrated, my L.A. friends often incredulously say "Well, why don't you just use Tinder?" And I'm like "Ummm because I used it for a month and got exactly two matches; one was a prostitute and the other was offensively stupid." You have to hit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:18 PM
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Definitely a lot less diversity on that one than on some other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 05:07 AM
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Yeah, I would. I pretty much have an open-book policy. I have a pretty strong philosophical belief in living an honest life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 03:53 AM
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It's a little disturbing to me that so many posters, both male and female, are taking the position that women are liars who are incapable of trusting relationships with open and honest conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 03:44 AM
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Sure, but that also applies to relationships. I also wouldn't know what most men are like in a relationship. A woman with experience would have more expertise and understanding than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:58 AM
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It's certainly within the realm of possibility that all six women were master actresses who faked honest and open conversations. Doesn't seem like the likeliest scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:54 AM
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Well, what I know is that many women have told me "you're not like most guys," and I don't even know what they mean. I don't know what "most guys" are like. That's knowledge that she has, that I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:53 AM
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So if men know best about male sexuality I literally just said that hookers know more about male sexuality than I do. How did you manage to miss the entire point of the exchange?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:49 AM
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Indeed. They ask the man about his specific sexuality. And then they ask a hundred other men the same question. And then they have information about a hundred men, whereas I have information on one. Do you think all men fuck the same way and like the same things?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:48 AM
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Do you have experience with hookers? Yeah, some. I dated one for a while and I was close friends with another. How they do their job depends on how successful they want to be. You're going to get a lot more repeat business - and therefore be a lot safer - if you actually try to get your client off and cater to his specific fantasies than if you just lie on your back and spread your legs open.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:45 AM
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Is a hooker an expert on men’s sexuality? Of course. That's literally her job, and she would be much better than me at expressing how common any given male desire or practice is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:39 AM
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Once something internal is communicated, does it not become external?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:36 AM
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Well, I'm 43, I've been married twice, I've slept with dozens of women, I've had perhaps six serious relationships, and some of my best friends are women. I'm just going to go way out on a limb and take a guess... you're about 20, you live with your mom, you're a virgin, and you're pretty unhappy and pissed off about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:28 AM
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This is very incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:26 AM
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Well, Poe's Law applies here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:25 AM
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General truths do exist. One of those general truths is that there is incredible diversity in people's desires, choices, and actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:24 AM
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So you just kind of think that all people are the same, depending on what's in their pants. I mean, you're wrong... I don't know what else to say about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:22 AM
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Do you believe the same about men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:19 AM
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No, the question I asked her was whether she can feel it when she gets wet. And she absolutely can. She's never got wet from seeing "random hot guys." She's queer and though she dislikes the word "demisexual," it kind of fits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 12:40 AM
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She works in academia. Not only is she exceptionally busy, but she also has no shortage of people with whom she can have interesting conversations at a much more reasonable and civilized level. I watch the boy, who is too autistic to talk to me, so I use Reddit to keep my brain engaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 12:33 AM
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My wife wouldn't touch this shit with a fifty foot pole.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 12:31 AM
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I checked with my wife and read her your post. She says: "that's insane" and that she can most certainly feel it when she gets wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 12:02 AM
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But for women there are several steps between "attracted" and "physically aroused." This just contradicts the literally hundreds of times I've seen a woman report that she got wet due to an experience that didn't involve physical touch. Many, many women report getting wet from reading a sexy story or from watching porn or from having the right words said to her or even unexpectedly during a non-sexual interaction. I certainly won't claim that this isn't how it is for you, but to say that "women"…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 11:43 PM
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If you're asking how to go from a total stranger to turning her on without any physical contact, the answer is for the vast majority of women you can't. You've never felt turned on by someone who wasn't already your boyfriend and wasn't already beginning the act of having sex with you? ...I do not believe at all that that is true for "the vast majority of women."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 11:28 PM
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or "when he inserts my penis inside my vagina" Nothing against intersex people, but that one's probably not very universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 11:14 PM
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