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Zero (0). I don't do dates; dates are for suckers!
/r/seduction17/08/26 02:19 AM
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In case you haven't heard, masculinity is back and on the rise. So get some and be a man. Not a "gentleman"—you can light a fire with that crap—but one who knows what he wants and is unwilling to compromise too easily.
/r/seduction12/08/26 07:09 AM
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The law of large numbers: 300 approaches should yield 2 for every 100, making that 6. Also, your end goal is misguided—namely, a girlfriend. Why stop, even if you find a "gf"? Then all your efforts will have been a waste of time. The moment you stop, all the atrophy, approach anxiety, and all the rest of it will come back with a vengeance. You should make it a way of life, even if you get a "gf," despite having a girlfriend, beratna. I see you've let society and/or dumb bitches get into your hea…
/r/seduction12/08/26 07:06 AM
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I've been a hot guy since grade school, but your inference is misguided. Being a hot guy alone isn't enough. I just responded to another guy who also claims he has no problem attracting girls, but being a dork isn't mutually exclusive. "Mr. Nice Guy" will and does get you put in an undesirable zone (e.g., marriage, friend). Like I tell all guys, as I have repeatedly here on Reddit, interview girls. Open them with an opinion opener: "I need a female opinion..." They can't resist that shit—trust m…
/r/seduction12/08/26 06:21 AM
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The Bad: You're the problem. Your "Mr. Nice Guy" routine is killing your sex close rate. The Good: You're the solution. When you're interacting with these girls, always have your end goal in mind (e.g., sex close, number close, IG close, whatever). Never lose sight of that goal. Every interaction and Q&A should be in furtherance of that goal. Don't be an open book, and don't do favors unless it furthers your cause: YOUR GOAL.
/r/seduction12/08/26 01:02 AM
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I have good and bad news for you. Do you want the bad or good news first?
/r/seduction11/08/26 08:39 PM
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Not bloody likely. It's not a wingwoman; it's a female wing. Girls are clueless about pickup, and frankly, she'll likely hinder your progress. What's more, other girls will question her motives or feel threatened if they did have interest in you. When you strip away theoretical fluff, the core mechanics come down to incentive and perceived dynamic: Incentive: A person (your female wing) with no sexual or personal stake in the outcome has zero reason to aggressively facilitate a close, handle soc…
/r/seduction30/07/26 01:54 PM
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Man believes cock rivals that of Anubis himself. You like to go, but you're too slow because you're going too fast, broheim. Group sets are advanced master class. You're setting yourself up for failure. Btw, your evening was as atypical as you can get in ___________ night club any where in the world. They all seem to become venues for groups to gather and be antisocial with everyone except the group. Avoid bars and clubs and hit the pavement for day game. High foot traffic areas with a lot of ho…
/r/seduction30/07/26 01:17 PM
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Dude, set better goals for yourself other than field reports. Focus on a particular type of close (e.g., number, IG, phone, instant date, sex) and drive to complete it. That's a meaningful, tangible result. Good luck!
/r/seduction30/07/26 12:59 PM
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Keep practicing and drive the interaction through all the phases. Don't be too generous with your performance if you can't get through all phases (open, attract, rapport, break/amplify, close). Push yourself; when it gets awkward for you, inhale deeply and exhale slowly over 5 to 6 seconds, then re-engage. Push, push, push. Stop watching that useless crap you're promoting for free. Skip to the source of that guy's cheap bag of tricks, read about body language and micro-expressions, master them, …
/r/seduction30/07/26 09:29 AM
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Idk, dude, it's not a political discussion. It is a litmus test, if you will. Use it, don't use it, it's up to you. Be thankful for my time to respond with the most solid advice you're ever going to get on Reddit—I promise you that.
/r/seduction30/07/26 08:30 AM
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Actually, what you stumbled into was a subtle neg that, from your accounting of the story, landed perfectly; she sounded like she immediately moved to rebut the claim. That's a positive sign. Also, check her shoes—tall girls who are self-conscious about their height will overcompensate by wearing the flattest shoes they can find. Example: A girl asks: "How old are you?" Reply (Subtle Neg): "Why do you want to know my age? Do you think you're too young/inexperienced for me?"
/r/seduction30/07/26 07:48 AM
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Here is a pro tip: for hot babes (8–10s), never compliment them. PERIOD. FULL STOP. Beyond that, you didn't disclose your location or the scale of women you approach, so any advice will be of a general nature.
/r/seduction30/07/26 07:36 AM
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The draconian rules of these—what can only be described as—fiefdoms. Strict rules, harsh punishments, swift banishment.
/r/seduction30/07/26 07:23 AM
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No dude, stay calm and carry on. You're dealing with a girl and want to believe she's a smart, honest, capable woman—you're mistaken. The problem is the way you asked shifted too much of the burden on her to declare more than she was likely willing to at that time. So, as little girls do—because they're not nearly as capable as many guys often give them credit for—they have to consult their stupid girlfriends to get bad advice and then mull it over for two days. This should always be your first …
/r/seduction30/07/26 07:15 AM
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Your description and words speak volumes about your experience. You have been observant about, as you call them, American women—generally, I suppose, meaning white American women. You must segment them because the differences are very real, as evidenced by your Hispanic/Latina interest. Bottom line: you need to explore all the diversity your city or nearby states have to offer. White women, in my long experience, are dead ends in too many regards for me to detail here. Asian and East Indian wome…
/r/seduction30/07/26 07:05 AM
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I find that hard to believe, reading your own accounting of what appears to be multiple instances of this line of inquiry with these women freely offering an opinion about your wing. That is too ridiculous to believe—the conversation wasn't provoked in some way by you? There is no bad press in this case, by the way. If they're referring to your boy (wing) while with you, that strongly suggests they're thinking of him even when he's not around, likely using you to unwittingly solicit information …
/r/seduction30/07/26 06:29 AM
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I think you're mistaken. Why? Because, it seems to me, you're confirming your own bias. You go behind his back and what, push opinion polls to these girls he's interacting with? That sounds creepy. What's more, you're gullible enough to actually believe the stupid shit coming out of a girl's mouth in such matters. Girls are reliable liars. It's the one thing you can count on them doing, especially in a high-stakes (from their perspective) social game. A bit of advice: girls and women operate in …
/r/seduction30/07/26 04:24 AM
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It's because you guys didn't have a bro code. The first to see and approach gets the first crack of the whip; if it doesn't work out, then another. Bros before hoes. Know the code: This is the way!
/r/seduction30/07/26 04:14 AM
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You're not his wing—you're his prop. Get yourself a more compatible wing, or if you're experienced enough, go it alone. I used to do this until I learned it's better to have a wing more in line with my looks, articulate, and stylish vibe. You get hotter group sets with a high-level wing.
/r/seduction30/07/26 03:53 AM
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You don't need a wing in NYC. The fact that you're asking speaks to your experience. You're outnumbered almost 3 to 1, women to men. A wingman is optional.
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:53 AM
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If you're advanced, like yours truly, then having a wing can be an impediment. Also, having a wing depends heavily on the game. Day game is, for the advanced, an impediment. Typically, you do day game (my absolute favorite) because you're likely to meet women one-on-one, absent the support-animal girlfriend—you know, the one ready to cock-block at a moment's notice. If you're doing the bar, lounge, or nightclub game, a wingman is almost required, unless, again, you're super advanced—again, like …
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:49 AM
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I'm currently in Bmore, but I don't need a wing. It might be nice to optionally have one, but I'm not looking for a newbie; they'd have to be as advanced as I am. What I am looking for is the Central Park, Bryant Park, or similar high-foot-traffic area where hot women (not girls) frequent. Help me with that in the Baltimore city area, and I'll provide solid answers for three of your most perplexing questions.
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:32 AM
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That's a recipe for disaster; think of it as the 'blind leading the blind.' You need to disclose your goals. Are you looking for 'the one'? Are you looking for as much casual sex as possible, or something in between? If the former, good luck with that. As soon as you find 'the one,' you'll likely be less available. So, alignment in your overall goals is a must. Your appearance and style should be aligned, too. You can't have a wing who is a slob and doesn't know the meaning of water or soap—unle…
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:19 AM
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Women absolutely open guys up. I can absolutely confirm this since second grade (BTW, I'm now in third grade—LOL). No, but seriously, oftentimes men are too clueless to pick up on the cues women give while out. Studies have consistently demonstrated that women are often the first to make a move; it's just not overt. As a homework assignment, have one of your friends record you while you're out walking through a bar or club. Watch it and observe all the things you missed. To be clear, you know if…
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:03 AM
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No, the problem begins and ends with women. Men are great. Women are confused and desperate for answers that will never come to them by listening to other women. The best advisor for women has always been—say it with me—MEN. That's right, I said it! Process it, then own it. If you're talking about #MeToo, you're obviously dealing with a certain type of woman from one political persuasion: the absolute most toxic form of a female. Run, fast...
/r/seduction15/07/26 01:56 AM
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Much of the replies here are anecdotal, at best. The first question everyone should ask, including you, is: What do you see when you look in the mirror? Grade yourself honestly on a scale from 1 to 10. Let’s say it’s a 4. Now with that number, you can clearly assess whether or not a person (male or female - whatever floats your boat) has given you an IOI. A 4 = 4% likelihood. Yes, that's right, only with 10% probability can be inferred about the true intent of their action/inaction as an IOI. Pr…
/r/seduction11/12/24 08:39 PM
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Older women are flattered, but you're likely referring to an older GIRL, masquerading as a woman. Likely, you're assuming that because of her age, she is, in fact, a woman. It's very rare to meet an actual WOMAN. Trust me!
/r/seduction11/12/24 03:25 AM
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Stop idealizing girls you meet and placing them on pedestals. Stop being a beta-male. Ask yourself this: when your mother gave birth to you, was she attached? Was she by your side all the years you've been alive? I thought so. MOVE ON! PERIOD. FULL STOP!
/r/seduction11/12/24 03:21 AM
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You are mistaken. It's is perhaps some men, but sadly women are emotional and see reality through feelings.
/r/seduction10/12/24 07:49 AM
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After reading your entire question, the other details provided, and reviewing the comments left by others, I would say much of the advice appears to say the same thing. The recommendations appear to be well-intended but, in my opinion, misguided. 9.9 out of 10 times, you're dealing with a girl and not a woman—it's rare to find the latter. The facts about girls, at least some or all of the following may apply: Flaky Irresponsible Uncertain about themselves Indecisive After a lifetime of listening…
/r/seduction09/12/24 03:53 PM
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You do realize women can read and contribute to this forum, right? Hell, for all we know, you could be a girl posing as a bloke. My point being, she's been talking to someone or reading the "book of game." It sounds like she's clearly trying to draw you in with a DOS attack. Don't fall for it. You should be working the venue for other targets and avoiding her like the plague. Here is the subtle part: when you do cross paths with her in the venue, as she'll likely be following you like a lost pup…
/r/seduction09/12/24 03:44 AM
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Your question implies you've got it the wrong way round. You set the tone, goal, and agenda. It's a proffer, she accepts it or you bounce. Your goal of ONS, FWB, LTR, Marriage (Divorce) matters not in the beginning. They can all lead to whatever outcome you decide. BEWARE: u/chill_geek_boy may possibly be a woman posing as a man. That advice will certainly send you straight to ruin.
/r/seduction09/12/24 03:34 AM
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You're mistaken. I think it's fair to say that repugnant girls/women, who are likely toxic feminazis, find it repulsive. Why is this so difficult? Non-toxic girls/women view men in the same manner as men view girls/women. Nothing but love. They accept us as-is, flaws and all the rest of it. Beware of the toxic, broken, damage girl/woman who feigns outrage, virtue signals, and other forms of wicked and depraved conduct. They'll suck the energy right out of you and seem to get, some sort of, perve…
/r/seduction09/12/24 03:24 AM
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Anywhere, anytime. The world is my set. The question might be easier to answer by considering where I wouldn't be social.
/r/seduction09/12/24 03:02 AM
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I only counted one question mark above. Everything else appears to be bold assertions, twisting upon themselves in such a manner it would even shame Gordian's knot.
/r/seduction09/12/24 02:56 AM
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Have a look at your own text—the text you, presumably, wrote and chose, again presumably, absent duress. You're giving a lecture about frames, but you are unaware of the frame your mindset/attitude clearly shows. I'm sure you can read your own words above and 20 times later, still be oblivious to what I'm referring to.
/r/seduction08/12/24 07:13 PM
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Sounds like a real sausage fest! You're observant. I can't tell you how many guys I randomly ask to guess the ratio at a venue and how so completely inaccurate they are. I've travelled to many places in and outside the US (e.g., Europe, Asia, South America, etc.) they all share this disturbing ratio. Girls are deceived into ever higher work participation by a society that encourages the misguided teaching of feminazies. Their heads are filled with this crap, girls can do and have it all, but it'…
/r/seduction08/12/24 07:07 PM
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Apologies. I'm a huge fan of diversity. I had the opportunity to experience many LTRs, sexual relationships, including a marriage and acrimonious divorce. The experience allows me to compare and weigh each in balance. I'm much happier living my life solo and having girls, and if you can find them, women, to share a mutual sexual relationship. I call it a modern relationship because I think all roads are leading there. I'm an objective, thoughtful person, and when you consider what works for me a…
/r/seduction08/12/24 05:55 PM
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You'll have a pretty good idea you're in the zone (if you have a shred of confidence), then go for the sex meet/close. If not, don't be discouraged with some resistance (may vary by girl). That's expected when dealing with most girls. But I want to be clear with my next words: if this interaction isn't going anything like I described above or is resistant as hell, you MUST end the interaction, at a cliffhanger if possible, and exit immediately with an FTC or real or prop set of friends you just …
/r/seduction08/12/24 12:57 AM
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I've had the opportunity to review all of the replies to this post, and I think they all leave you wanting. So let me give you something actionable to put to use while on set. Define your goal clearly and unambiguously. a. I'm out to get laid. b. I'm out to find a wife (I feel so sorry for you). c. You get the picture. Girls are just as anxious as you say you are. Trust and believe this because it's true and important. Most girls desperately adhere to old-fashioned, draconian social rituals. You…
/r/seduction08/12/24 12:53 AM
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See my reply above. It is responding to your post, in part.
/r/seduction07/12/24 10:20 PM
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It may be "nice to listen," but I'd leave it at listening only. Do not accept girls' advice on this stuff; their advice is often some utopic dream world they're playing out in their heads. The only useful information you can elicit from girls are the "feelings" they have during certain interactions you're interested in. Frame your questions like the subject, but don't listen to their words. Instead, ask them to explain how this made them feel. The feelings are how they experience the world; thei…
/r/seduction07/12/24 10:18 PM
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NOTE: Read my many posts on this subject. Attitude - is the key to living, in general. Other names include confidence, mindset, etc. I don't agree that results don't matter, however. They do! Should you be obsessed? No, but results aid you in improving your overall game. Focus on easily identifiable sticking points. Maybe that's your opener, or others it's their rapport building. If you're fizzling out during an escalation, focus on it and improve it. If you ignore your results, you may get perp…
/r/seduction07/12/24 07:41 PM
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So much emotion. Are you mad, right now? If no, prove it.
/r/seduction06/12/24 08:04 PM
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I rest my case! I need no luck from you or anyone else. Your strawman, which you so artfully created, neither represents what I've stated nor accurately describes my thesis. So you're the one who needs the good luck, as I suspect your articles are not worth reading.
/r/seduction06/12/24 06:19 PM
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I'm sure you know exactly what it's based on. So let's hear about your noble (likely misguided) wisdom. Share your great thesis and let us weigh it in balance against mine. We'll all, as we do now, stand here, as yet, unconvinced by your bald assertions and misguided emotional outburst. We all know you've lost the argument when you feel the need to invoke people like Hitler, Mao, Putin, Biden, Obama. Notice how nothing you present is little more than bald assertion and feigned outrage—otherwise …
/r/seduction06/12/24 05:35 PM
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Clearly you have a limited view of the term value: The word value has multiple meanings, including: The worth of something: The amount of money something is worth, or its fair price or return. For example, "The property is valued at $160,000." The desirability of something: The quality of something that makes it desirable or valuable, such as its usefulness or exchangeability. For example, "We value our partnership with the government." A numerical quantity: A number or amount that is assigned o…
/r/seduction06/12/24 03:09 PM
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This question is meaningless, as beauty itself is in the eye of the beholder.
/r/seduction06/12/24 01:07 AM
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Indian woman can be quite boring, despite some being extremely beautiful. Their family does coddle them and they usually lack initiative in the bedroom and relationship department. Western women, as mentioned above Dutch, German, Scandinavian, UK, French are, imo, not worth the time or trouble, especially if you're interested in a relationship. I'd take an Indian woman over any "western" girl. Turkish, Greek, and Bulgarian, Arab, and Persian women are too needy and suffer from uncontrolled, irri…
/r/seduction06/12/24 12:10 AM
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You should not interact with a group set like that in between sets, especially by yourself. A few exceptions apply, namely, if you have an equal-sized posse. Girls, not women, acting girlish. They doggedly follow ritual, dogma, and orthodoxy, also called COCK-BLOCKING. The best way to approach a group set is at a venue, not in between. As it requires time, and most importantly, loads of patience. You have to befriend their entire group set before honing in on your target. Even then, it's difficu…
/r/seduction05/12/24 09:19 PM
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Best Advice You'll Ever Receive: Drop all of your girl/female training. You know - crap like this: X "If you want to be safe, don’t go to his place and also don’t let him come to yours. Meet at a public place" X "Yep, especially if you’ve never met him before. Best way to find out if he’s normal before deciding what to do next" X "First hangout? Get coffee. Your coffee date can always transition into going over to their place. NEVER plan to meet at someone's house as a first date unless you're o…
/r/seduction05/12/24 08:28 PM
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Short answer, stop doing number closes; they're useless in this era. Instant dates Sex close Your failure to get an instant date is your problem and solution. So goodbye to number, social media, and other bygone era closes. Sex close is an insurance policy against flaky girlish behavior. Chicagoj1563 gave you the right advice also. You're not making strong enough connections with these girls. But absent more information, it could be anything. For example, your face (are you hideous?), your perso…
/r/seduction05/12/24 07:16 PM
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SEE MY OTHER POST: Search for my informative post on this subject of dating. The Simplified Version: Dates are for suckers! Stop dating.
/r/seduction05/12/24 06:55 PM
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I find myself repeating here, all questions presented must state their goals (e.g., LTR, Marriage, ONS, Fuck buddy, etc.). If you find yourself messaging as an initial salvo, you're already at a disadvantage. So now this becomes a different conversation. I never reply unless it's an invite from HER to get together. Girls are typically indirect and she may hint (don't overthink this part). If it doesn't take you out of your way (HONESTLY), then recommend my favorite: SEE, not ASK, if she would li…
/r/seduction05/12/24 06:50 PM
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NOTE: See my informative posts on this subject.
/r/seduction05/12/24 05:17 PM
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I think it's important to state your goal. The information provided cannot be any more than general otherwise. NOTE TO GUYS: If this is a real biological female, listen to the inexperience. Sound familiar? If not, have a listen to all the stories from seemingly biological male posts. Women are not date masters and are not blessed with genetic memory on mastering the dating game. They deceive you by hiding behind old-fashioned courting rituals. Men must make the first move. Eight out of ten women…
/r/seduction05/12/24 05:15 PM
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Dude, become a monk and move to Tibet. You're a lost cause. Also, it's not our job to convince you. We can only show you the way. You have to walk through the door. Remember, there is always that monk thing. Perhaps it's your right path. The path of enlightenment!
/r/seduction05/12/24 05:02 PM
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All, follow this stuff above, but only if you want to reach amateur night at the Apollo status. There is no one-size-fits-all approach. The only certainty is your own self-respect. I'm neither an elitist nor a woman hater. To the contrary, I'm simply observing the world around me and describing it as succinctly as I know how, perhaps with added color for emphasis only. Never apologize for being a man. Know that no matter if you lack credentials (Ivy education), high net worth, and all the rest o…
/r/seduction05/12/24 04:55 PM
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Simple divide and conquer. Find clever excuse to separate your target from the herd. If your target rolls with, you're on the downhill bit after that.
/r/seduction05/12/24 02:35 PM
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Congratulations! But wait, I don't care about dates and avoid them like the scamdemic (COVID-19). The real standard is sex close, period. Those dates with credentialed [nobodies] mean nothing to the average bloke. Men, my goal is to teach you that you're the prize and always have been. The guy above places the women on the pedestal. Not to sound or be arrogant, but those details about these women are meaningless to a real player. Bragging about a few hot women you've "dated" is exactly my point.…
/r/seduction05/12/24 04:26 AM
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Absolutely, the first words (Opener) can be a qualifier. I use body language as a qualifier—so devastatingly effective. It seems I have to leave an example after reviewing the comments here: Opener qualifier: "Hola, you're cute, but are you friendly?" Body language: Get/Step in front of her and open her by turning only your head, keeping your back to her, and presenting your question or opener. This conveys high value because you're not giving her your full body language and you're quite literal…
/r/seduction05/12/24 04:07 AM
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If asked, you should only respond if pressed. You should immediately reply back, "Do you think you're too [young | old] for me?" Then change the subject. This has a psychological effect like you wouldn't believe.
/r/seduction05/12/24 04:05 AM
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Simple, follow your friends advise, he sounds like he has wisdom beyond his years. Before you ditch her COLD, send her a cocky funny message and say. "We've been chatting it up for x [days, weeks, months] long now, most girls usually ask me out after 3 [days] tops, what's WRONG with you? By the way, I don't want a fast food date, either. I'm not some cheap date!"
/r/seduction05/12/24 04:02 AM
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Boys, this may not be real for this [fictional] person, but this story is very real for many girls out there. If you're of this age, you should understand girls' training. Find out what stupid stuff they talk about and how, especially sex. You must know this stuff because you're not going to believe it when I tell you these girls are hornier than you guys. See, you've already rejected the notion. All your guy training (superstition) tells you the exact opposite. Get a girl who is as hot as you c…
/r/seduction05/12/24 03:54 AM
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Drop her and get yourself a piece of local tail. PERIOD!
/r/seduction05/12/24 03:42 AM
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If you looking for an LTR or marriage: Carry on, waste your time, money, and life sharing it with a girl. If not: Get rid of her. Break contact immediately. She's wasting your time and money. Being Muslim is just an excuse.
/r/seduction05/12/24 03:40 AM
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Both approaches are proper, but in your shy girlfriend's case, I recommend the Matrix "Follow the White Rabbit" approach. It's simple, effective, and you're directly with your girlfriend. Many targets will assume you're full of it, but they'll know you're the real deal when your girlfriend gives the target bedroom eyes and reaches out to touch her. The key is to speak out loud to the target with a general compliment, maybe even an invite to dance together (instant date). The rest is downhill fro…
/r/seduction05/12/24 03:29 AM
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Stop wasting your time with foreign tail. Get yourself a piece of local tail, son! You don't even know if you're talking to a biological female. If you're looking to get married, go to church or another serious forum. You shouldn't be talking to girls on the phone, text, IG, and all the rest of it. Let's meet if you have found yourself with only a number or IG close. Otherwise, never do a number or IG close. Why? Because they're time wasters. It puts you in a position to have to reinitiate conta…
/r/seduction05/12/24 03:19 AM
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I like what someone said above. You're overthinking it. Also, lean into that sh*t. I often use women as props too. Turnabout is fair game, however. Your best reply, given the few details you provided, should be to mirror her level of excitement with her and her friends. Before she starts her routine, shout with a big smile and arms spread wide, "What's up, friendly neighbor?" Then, say, "Come here and give me a hug," and take her by the hand and twirl her around like a tango spin. [Several Add-O…
/r/seduction05/12/24 03:01 AM
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Yeah talk to everyone. Be social with guys, as you're likely to have more in common, unless you're a beta. Do not talk about sport and other typical male topics, however. Ask probing questions about their estimate of the male / female ratio in the venue [you're at if applicable]. That's my favorite, no guy has EVER resisted that question, no matter how cool they're trying to be. When you observe a target, group, etc., and something positive or non-offensively funny comes to mind, say it out loud…
/r/seduction05/12/24 02:23 AM
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Learn to float like a butterfly. In other words, keep your weight off me, and keep it moving without banging my pelvic bones. If you don't keep a proper and steady pace to keep me aroused you've lost the moment and I'll take over the driver's seat.
/r/seduction05/12/24 02:15 AM
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