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That seems like the kind of thing that menslib's users would hate but their mods would love.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 12:56 AM
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That article fails to make the leap from substances (cocaine, food, etc) to behaviors (pornography), and fails to make the case that it causes substantial harm. Of course you'll claim it does because you are anti-pornography regardless of the facts, and are perfectly comfortable lying if you think you can support your point. It's also not a study, just someone whose brain is cooked on religion trying to twist themselves into knots to justify their hatred of pornography and sexuality in general. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 10:07 PM
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You should read that article. There's not good evidence that porn use changes the brain in any meaningful way. The article is clearly trying to draw conclusions that aren't supported but even then fails at it. The anti-porn discourse is a moral panic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 08:45 PM
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Sodha thinks that gay men should not be able to be parents and is a TERF. She's very anti-male. She thinks that "misogynistic porn" is anything men enjoy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 08:43 PM
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It's more than just Russian, there's a lot of propaganda in general on reddit. Why do you think it's a bannable offense to call out bots on /r/politics?
/r/MensRights05/03/25 09:27 PM
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And you don't think the actions of the current administration have more to do with the sudden drop in stock value we've seen?
/r/MensRights05/03/25 07:46 PM
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Let's not pretend those trials were fair. Nor are a lot of these.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:33 AM
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RIP USA. And my savings in US stocks too. Are you saying you're not American?
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:29 AM
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Why does this stuff get published? No, because the right-wingers who own the paper want to keep stirring shit.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:28 AM
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It's an entirely expedient strategy for the right-wing man who owns the Washington Post.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:28 AM
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Imagine being this conceited while lacking any empathy. Because to her, it's just men whining. She doesn't care to listen to their concerns. She shows throughout this article that she actually has zero clue what men are actually upset about and she just continues to assume that men are petty and jealous. Imagine being paid as well as she is to stoke the flames of the gender war by Rupert Murdoch.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:27 AM
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The main ones are actually economic - and neither part is helping white men on that front right now, because they're too busy trying to tear down the country (Republicans) or suck up to rich donors (Democrats).
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:26 AM
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These "men of influence" are the ones putting these articles in the newspapers they own to get the working classes to fight each other along gender lines.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:25 AM
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This is by design. Rupert Murdoch owns the WSJ.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:24 AM
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Rupert Murdoch owns the Wall Street Journal. He wants you to not vote Democrat because they might restrict his ability to flex his wealth on you.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 05:24 AM
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also, i literally butcher grammar so that i know when someone isnt serious as they comment on style and grammar rather than content. "I was only pretending to be retarded!" Ok sure bud
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 09:50 AM
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It doesn't show me that when I click on it, only live posts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 05:26 AM
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This is something far too oft overlooked in the currents, and i suspect that many may view my and indeed, mens attacks on feminism and the hypocrisy therein as being ‘anti-woman’ or ‘anti-feminist’, they are not. You write like you're padding the word count for classwork. What "currents" are you talking about here? "far too oft" could just be replaced by "often." The overall effect is take away from the point you're trying to make. why would you assume that people who are against fascism wouldnt…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 09:34 AM
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gotta say, yall folks complaining bout a short ass doc like this for its length just make me think you cant read Why would you think that someone who doesn't want to watch a video can't read? I would prefer an article, then I could actually read it at a good pace. The problem is your writing is scatterbrained, unfocused, and overly verbose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 03:23 AM
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You start with an undefined term, "patriarchal realism" that isn't referenced anywhere. Your first link is to a 42 minute video you want people to watch before reading. You aren't worth that kind of time. Show some humility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 02:46 AM
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Feminism can't promote anything, as it's not a moral agent. An ideology can promote beliefs or behaviors. And yes, it has a moral dimension - most of its adherents believe it to be an eminently good ideology, and criticizing it to be evil and wrong. The Duluth Model is very much a bad and misguided model. However, it does not promote false accusations against men. The issues with the model are in the handling of the abuser after accusations have been proven, as well as in the blind spots it has …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 12:15 AM
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In no way does it do any of the things in the first paragraph, nor are all of those bad. Huh? Feminism promoted the Duluth model of domestic violence, which promoted false accusations of domestic violence against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/25 10:26 PM
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Another example of how "the sisterhood" collectively bullies women and then men are blamed for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 11:42 PM
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And then we actively shoot ourselves in the foot repeatedly, by continuously loudly broadcasting how difficult we find it in the current climate to "get the girl," when really we should be trying to move away from the idea that it's a man's job to get a woman in the first place. You're conflating two things. Most people have an inherent need for romantic companionship, and that kind of loneliness is psychologically harmful. Then there's the societal expectation on men that they need to prove the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 11:08 PM
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Uh huh. There is no "pure feminism." At the Seneca Falls convention, white feminists were complaining about immigrants and nonwhite men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 11:05 PM
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If anything I’m attacking people that use the “feminism” label to be discriminatory. Except you never bust into a feminist space and tell them to stop doing that. You only come here and tell the people in subs like this they're terrible for not being feminist enough.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 10:16 PM
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Simply put, that’s not real feminism. If you put any effort into critiquing those "fake feminists" and defending men and boys from them, instead of just attacking people on the left over here, I'd take you seriously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 09:59 PM
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Feminism is the solution for men that the left is missing. Except many feminists say that feminism is under no onus to advocate for men at all. How do you square this? Where do you criticize those feminists? As a straight, cisgender man, it saved my life. You what? It almost took mine. I could only learn to love myself when I realized that my obsession with power was killing me. Feminism taught me this. That's weird, feminism says that men without power are real losers because they aren't climbi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 09:49 PM
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Maybe. I generally see women encouraging men to do that a lot more (enforcing female in-group bias and women are wonderful effect and so on).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 09:43 PM
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The core behind every plot point, character and theme is 'everything good = feminine, everything bad = masculine'. With literally no exceptions. I think I disagree with your take on at least Fury Road - the female settlement without men was seen as insufficient to survive on its own. It definitely takes a cynical look at male authority figures but because it's a religious allegory it does like its male Christ-figures.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 08:14 PM
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We're the ones telling other men that they need to attract women, and that that's their role as a man. Huh? Women treat single men worse than other men do, in my experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 07:58 PM
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I think I'm going to have to move to a different country to get one of those. I feel you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 07:39 PM
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Why would patriarchy catch on but not kyriarchy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 05:20 AM
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You had to resurrect a post where I said "I'm interesting" instead of "I'm interested" lol. Then again, I must be interesting if you responded even after so much time. What do you mean about the Abrahamic religions? Is kyriarchy grounded in Abrahamic faith to some degree?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/24 10:48 PM
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This came from African American families That's not my impression at all; my understanding was it came from white feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 11:26 PM
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If you point out that someone on reddit is wrong about this they'll block you or have the mods ban you. There's a lot of bad faith discussion on reddit about this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 03:20 AM
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That's not what hooks was criticizing, however.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 04:55 AM
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What do you think?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 04:35 AM
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What about the men who aren't so lucky?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 04:34 AM
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I have been very fortunate to have female friends and family who are empathetic towards when I'm down, even though I've had to teach a couple of them. There you go "fortunate." What about the men who aren't so lucky? When are you going to call out women who mock and attack male vulnerability instead of spending your time here attacking men for not being vulnerable?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 04:24 AM
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Have you read We Real Cool? I'm guessing not. In it, she hates on black men for racist reasons, to curry favor with white feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 04:07 AM
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If those statements were gender reversed I'd probably remove the post Why? He's not generalizing all men, but talking about a subset of men with a particular set of beliefs. I see it very commonly with feminist men, to where they use feminism as a way to prove they're "one of the good ones" and attack other men, with the goal of securing female attention and clout.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 07:02 PM
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doubt.jpg Trying to pull the "The left is the bigots, actually" with someone who has an IQ above room temperature isn't going to work. Say what you really mean.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 07:50 PM
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Latino men did. From my understanding white men went more left. Depends on the subgroup.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 06:08 AM
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Probably just different social circles, I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 06:07 AM
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Men aren't going right, it's just women are going very left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 05:17 AM
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Women are pushing men even further to the right Statistically speaking, not super true. I'm generally antifeminist so I agree with you that feminism is a problem, and people blaming men are being disingenuous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 05:14 AM
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But the Republicans are much better for men, all men. Trump advocated for putting innocent men and boys in prison for sex crimes they didn't commit. You're full of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 05:14 AM
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Really? I've mostly seen conservatives talking about the "disease" that has infected the US and Europe and how Russia is free of it and we need to be more like Russia, not so much left-wing people blaming Americans. I've seen a lot of feminists blaming men, which is stupid and wrong, but not what you're describing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 05:10 AM
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They do more than doing nothing. Do they? Petitions can be faked and ignored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 03:21 AM
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Any evidence that petitions do anything?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 12:55 AM
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People like this are the biggest harm to feminism out there. These people are the core of feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/24 09:18 PM
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Political pandering they admitted guilt. Do you believe in the idea of coerced confessions?
/r/MensRights27/10/24 05:24 PM
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What's your point? Trump claimed they were still guilty after it came out their confession was coerced and a different perpetrator confessed to being the sole attacker.
/r/MensRights27/10/24 01:55 AM
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Trump called out the Exonerated Five AKA the Central Park Five after they were exonerated. He is not a supporter of Mens' Rights as this sub thinks about them. Harris will be slightly better. It's still not great.
/r/MensRights26/10/24 07:24 PM
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Trump is anti. Trump will 100% get the US involved in a war to defend Netanyahu's party against Iran if it comes up.
/r/MensRights26/10/24 07:23 PM
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Indira ghandi was a "patriarch" too. The only reason you'd say this is you think that Indira Ghandhi was evil but it makes you uncomfortable that she's a woman and evil - so you try to ascribe her evil to some sort of maleness that she's embodying. That's straight up bigotry. You should be a better person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/24 04:50 PM
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Link's not working for me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 01:41 AM
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Patriarchy was coined to describe exactly the kind of powerful people that rule over others and enforce the sexism we sse today because it's beneficial to their power. No it was not. It was coined to ascribe collective guilt to men for all the problems in society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 01:34 AM
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Was Queen Victoria a "patriarch"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 01:34 AM
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Isn't it just self-reporting though?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/24 09:34 PM
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What country do you live in?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 12:08 AM
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That's only PhDs, Masters programs cost money.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 09:29 PM
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The Biden administration has been ok on labor rights, hopefully we see more of that going forward if Harris wins.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/24 07:21 PM
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They emphatically do allow users like ilikeneurons and myfitesong to vent about how shitty men are on that sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/24 06:58 PM
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Yeah, near as I can tell all we have is the defendant filing a motion to dismiss (they'd be stupid not to, and they're evil, not stupid) and it's still in the air.
/r/MensRights12/09/24 10:15 PM
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Answer my question first. Stop evading the question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 07:44 AM
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I think it will persecute fascists who want to hurt women Why are you bringing fascism into this? What we have here is deranged buzzword salad and no coherent argument. I just really doubt it would work liike that and I don't think we should defend , what constitutes misogynistic terrorism against women - you know, the very thing we as leftwing male advocates are supposed to not be Is it "the thing"? What do you think our highest priority is? Are you of the mind that protecting women is more imp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 07:28 AM
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You sound pathetic You're the one who can't even string an argument together. You aren't even really a leftist, either, you strongly believe in hierarchies with white women at the top. That's the only reason someone would support this worthless policy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 06:36 AM
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Hitler was a vegetarian. Should we lock up vegetarians? This is the literal example of the post hoc ergo proptor hoc fallacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 06:31 AM
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I don't think that's gonna be the case, it's pretty easy to spot a misogynist doing what they're doing. You yourself claimed you had been called a misogynist by a feminist. So clearly you don't actually believe that. You're very two-faced on this issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 06:29 AM
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It's just hard to realize that women are heavily suuuuper heavily, disproportionately victimized and harmed How? I don't see evidence of this. Instead I see men being more likely to be the victim of violence of all kinds. Why are we pro - misogyny in here ? I mean if you weren't misogynistic, this bill wouldn't target you, so why are you acting like it targets you? For the audience, because you won't listen to reason - because the kinds of people pushing this bill are the type who see men merely…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 06:26 AM
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I just never saw anyone necessarily make that point Your reading comprehension needs work, kid. Oh wait, it doesn't, you're just lying and in bad faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 06:19 AM
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If you're not going to respond to the evidence I've presented in other posts, why would I give you more?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 06:18 AM
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They viewed it as something that could potentially be used to harm men in general, not just those who are repeat serious offenders, even if it's stated otherwise on paper. OP doesn't think it's possible for this to happen to a man who doesn't deserve it. They're a bad faith misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:46 AM
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Do you want me to agree that when anybody regardless of gender is charged when they commit extremism????? This isn't a coherent sentence. Im egalitarian like that Clearly not, since you think that any man who thinks that they don't deserve to be treated with suspicion is misogynist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:44 AM
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When your brain has matured enough to have a basic discussion on these topics let us know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:37 AM
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You're going to have to show how this law won't catch innocent men in the misandrist hysteria. Also respond to the rest of the post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:33 AM
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/u/Feeling-Boot6629 why haven't you responded to this post? It knocks down a number of your key arguments and you haven't addressed it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:32 AM
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You came into this thread accusing people of supporting right wing extremism. You want to dish it out but can't take it? Go figure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:30 AM
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The people objecting to the bill are objecting it because they think that men will be unfairly cast as posing a risk to women or repeat serious offenders without justification. You, of course, are avoiding acknowledging this because you are a morally deficient misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:28 AM
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They see all men as predators I see that most strongly from heavily feminist men and women. Misandry is a valid issue, protecting predators does not help us. Nobody is doing that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:21 AM
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He killed more men than women. He was more of a mass killer than a serial killer, for the record.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:18 AM
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Your perception is incorrect due to your bigotry against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:12 AM
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The most ironic thing about this is I literally came here with misandry as a grievance issue No you didn't, you tried to post this thread to menslib immediately after making your account to show how terrible we all are. Menslib is an incredibly misandrist sub; the mods cheer on MGM and boys failing in school because they view solving those problems as something that takes attention away from womens' issues. While I disagree with them, I just think there are pernicious biases within our instition…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:10 AM
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voicing their anger in this sub that women have rights against clear violence and misogyny If that happens the mods action against it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/24 11:57 PM
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Men Men. The same way racists will say that laws need to keep black men in check because they're inherently rapacious and violent. Same thing you think about men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/24 11:47 PM
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Yep sometimes it's even difficult to tell the difference between male feminists and conservatives. That's because feminism is fundamentally a right-wing ideology, just centering white women instead of white men like mainstream right-wing thought does.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 06:53 PM
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Also women tend to outlive men, like my sole surviving grandparent is my mom's mom, she owns a house that she used to live in with my grandfather.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/24 09:42 PM
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You are the OP. Why are you talking about yourself in third person? Are you ChatGPT?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/24 05:14 AM
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Feminism is not a left-wing ideology, is the awkward truth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/24 07:07 AM
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Declaration of Sentiments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 04:39 PM
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I've heard this position a few times that misandrist Feminists are not leftist. I'd argue that feminism wasn't leftist to begin with, since it was mostly about educated white women upset they were losing their advantaged place in society compared to immigrants and nonwhites.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 11:57 PM
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Nah that's the most feminist thing they can do. They're just not actually leftist. Most feminists aren't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 12:49 AM
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You don’t love me you don’t get to stick your dick in me. If guys held the reverse standard you'd never have sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 12:22 AM
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Statistically speaking, no, earlier sex has nothing to do with long-lasting relationships. Shared values and financial stability do. Respect is a complicated thing. Treating your body like a commodity to be dangled in front of suitors to extract resources is also disrespecting it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 08:36 AM
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And what are they going to tell them that incels don't know?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 12:31 AM
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Morality is subjective Doesn't seem to be true. You're making a nonsensical non-sequitur to avoid moral culpability.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 12:11 AM
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Most women want relationships not meaningless sex. They give meaningless sex to get the relationships. Their first mistake. No, having sex early with a partner doesn't mean your relationship will fail. The best predictor of relationship success is shared values, followed by financial stability.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 12:03 AM
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Whereas incels etc. hate women not for abusing them but simply not gucking them. Citation needed here. I LOVE men. I find misogyny, sexual harassment, etc. not enjoyable. Are you sure you don't just love high-status men, and look for excuses to bully and hate on low-status men that are morally justifiable?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 12:02 AM
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It’s the hatred and disdain for women that characterizes an “ incel”. No, it literally just means someone who wants to be sexually active and isn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 12:02 AM
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Do you have any links to science-based information they have on the topic?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 12:01 AM
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I can, and do, frequently. And it makes you morally wrong to do so. The world is not just.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 12:00 AM
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Left-wing thought is against robust, immovable hierarchies, whether on race, class, gender or whatever. Right-wing thought is in general in favor of robust hierarchies, and think that people at the top of hierarchies are better than those at the bottom.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 08:43 AM
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That's not the study I was talking about in my other post though.
/r/MensRights28/06/24 03:04 AM
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Yeah I read that.
/r/MensRights28/06/24 03:01 AM
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Could you break that down a bit more? Is that 25% of people who are suspected of being wrongly convicted or were they sampled randomly across convicted rapists.
/r/MensRights28/06/24 03:01 AM
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I just don't think he understands it.
/r/MensRights27/06/24 08:32 AM
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Right but the 60% figure isn't measured the same way. Really they had 80/550 rapes be confirmed false, or about 15%. It just might be up to 60% because there's a big quotient that are indeterminable.
/r/MensRights27/06/24 08:10 AM
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Those studies did use less representative samples, though, keeping them to university campuses.
/r/MensRights27/06/24 07:57 AM
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As for other data sets, I hope that was sarcasm, because there were only lone or two studies that sked why women lied. It's not sarcasm, it's a legitimate question.
/r/MensRights26/06/24 11:18 PM
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Were you able to find the data from the study? Was it replicated in other datasets?
/r/MensRights26/06/24 10:47 PM
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Stereotypically women want the heater on lol I say stereotypically but there are verifiable gender trends in what temperature they feel comfortable at.
/r/MensRights26/06/24 10:22 PM
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Your statement isn't particularly coherent and seems to wander, with a lot of incomplete sentences. I wonder what you think we're supposed to take from this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 10:19 PM
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They gave me the answers I needed and direct ways to get involved. Let's see that list. I guarantee they were ruder and/or you were more polite.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 03:14 AM
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I really wish you could engage with me in a way that wasn't so needlessly patronizing and rude. I've really had enough of that in my life, and I'm just not putting up with it anymore. If any of the points made after this were helpful or enlightening, I regret that I didn't get to read them, but I just can not tolerate your attitude. You can't tolerate anyone who kicks over the house of cards you call an opinion. Act your age and admit when you're wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 03:05 AM
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They're being quite rude by pointedly not responding to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 05:40 AM
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/u/Syriana_Lavish763 please respond to this, it looks like you're ducking counterarguments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 05:38 AM
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idk if he was right or not. I didn't read it. I told him I didn't read it. You avoid the comments that state the most coherent arguments because they basically prove you're wrong. Your discussing in bad faith and should show more respect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 05:31 AM
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/u/Syriana_Lavish763 I noticed you're not responding to this sourced and well-thought out comments. Why is that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 05:28 AM
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Still waiting for your reply. Don't come to this sub if you won't engage in good faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 05:28 AM
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What is it that women CAN do that men CAN'T do Advocate for their own self-interest without being attacked and pilloried by feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 05:24 AM
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It'a probably getting worse.n
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 09:49 PM
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The most common answers were elect pro-trans leaders, participate in mutual aid and protests, educate yourself on gender dysphoria, and defend trans people who are being harassed or bullied both online and irl. When people her pointed out that you weren't knowledgeable on some issues (like genital mutilation) you refused to educate yourself. You're not arguing in good faith; you're starting with the idea that, for example, trans issues are more valid than mens' issues, so putting in the effort t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 08:35 PM
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See how that sounds? It's different because you haven't seen a men's rights type advocate for that but we've seen feminists argue for the genocide of men or for male rape victims to not get support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 08:32 PM
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/u/Syriana_Lavish763 I noticed you're not responding to multiple sourced and well-thought out comments. Why is that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:44 PM
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Tell me what's the plan for getting rid of the hammer. Get the feminists to stop swinging it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:40 PM
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The ones with the most to lose should be the most dedicated to making sure they win. There have been no other social movements that demanded the outsiders do most of the work for them. When feminists start with the whole "men have impossible beauty standards" thing, I'm the first to tell them "actually, you don't have to adhere to those. Take agency in your own life. They gain nothing by changing it, but you do, so change it." This won't apply to every issue, but when it does, it should be appli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:39 PM
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I'm asking what the problems are and how to contribute to solving them without compromising my personal ethics. The problem is your personal ethics preclude solving them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:36 PM
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Your intention to disrespect me was clear, though. Refusing to be corrected when you're factually incorrect is disrespectful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:35 PM
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I gotta be honest with you. I stopped reading right here. How does one tell you you're completely off-base without being condescending?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:26 PM
3

Was this ever taken to court along these lines?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 04:28 AM
9

What about Asia Argento and Amber Heard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 07:19 PM
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OP looks suspicious. New account, not engaging with commenters, what's going on here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 06:57 PM
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OP, why aren't you engaging in discussion?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/24 12:39 AM
1

OP, what's your perspective on this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 07:13 AM
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As in, whatever he can use to denigrate men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 04:30 AM
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The admins are definitely in on this too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 04:29 AM
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The study showing that was retracted because the researcher (Paul Dolan) was fabricating data. Unfortunately, so many woman-focused websites and media outlets pushed the idea before the study was retracted that you can hear people repeating this all over, including reddit, and if you show the people the study was retracted they might block you or have the mods ban you, because they want to constantly demean men with the idea that their presence makes women less happy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/24 08:16 PM
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Nah, the "blue pill" dating advice can fuck with your head too, because it tells men that if they aren't getting dating success it's a moral flaw on their part. Sometimes you just gotta admit a lotta women are shallow based on height, race, and other factors that guys can't control. That's very freeing; once you realize that you can focus on finding the women (assuming you date women) who are worth dating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 11:21 PM
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Well, even the focus on race doesn't bother me - the data is there that police are summarily executing people, especially black and Native American men (in the US). It's the focus on white women that rubs me the wrong way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 11:14 PM
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Yup, it's exactly that. I've started (politely) calling out people at my work (I work at a college) who aren't considering class in DEI-style stuff, haven't made much progress yet but I've made some.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 11:12 PM
1

Aight some of your videos have pretty fucking funny titles, will watch later.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 10:59 PM
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The loudest segments of the left. You also have the neoliberal mainstream left which pays lip service to the identity politics part of things, enjoying the ability to excommunicate people for wrongthink, while at the same time avoiding legal or economic reforms. There are large segments of the left which you never hear about which are more inclusive. And the right is broadly similar in the kind of tribalism you describe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 10:15 PM
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Considering Fourth Wave Feminism centers around intersectionaliy Is that what you call it? I see it as doing their best to center white women and decenter racial and class issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 09:56 PM
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How many subs have you been banned from for telling this story?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 09:35 PM
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So long as they hold that when men do equivalent things, it's also society, which they left unaddressed in their post. Nobody does that though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 08:32 PM
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There sure are a lot of antisemites lately in leftists circles who are not anti-Israel. Nah. That's a fairy tale.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/24 06:13 PM
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Class reductionism is more accurate a picture of how society works than the bullshit they're peddling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/24 06:12 PM
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Link to post?
/r/MensRights06/06/24 10:12 PM
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No man, they do not hate men. They do. The way they talk about other men is disgusting. The fact that they mock men who advocate against infant circumcision, finding the idea of male bodily autonomy and integrity laughable, tells me that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 06:38 PM
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Well that's menslib. The modding staff fucking hates men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 06:14 PM
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I was saying that the history of male dominance through history, and the suppression of women's rights leading up to feminism probably didn't engender much sympathy in the feminist movement for Men's Rights when it came on the scene. That's just them being bigoted then, that's not MRA's fault. Also, I would question the "history of male dominance" like it's an axiomatic truism. I guess I'm saying gender inequality didn't begin as a result of feminism, the pendulum may have swung past in some are…
/r/MensRights05/06/24 08:57 PM
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Redshirting boys isn't saying that boys are intellectually inferior, it's saying they mature later—which they do. The supposed later maturing of boys can't be disentangled from the differential parenting of boys - from the time they are born, boys are given less time with parents, given less physical contact with caretakers, talked to less, etc. We know that stress impacts brain development, and boys live in a fundamentally more hostile world than girls do, at least in the West. The samples take…
/r/MensRights05/06/24 07:58 AM
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I think he and Reeves are both very concerned with making the early years of boys' lives more conducive to their natural inclinations. I don't think Reeves is. He advocates for redshirting boys, and won't say a word about the widespread, pervasive discrimination against boys in K-12 education, perpetrated primarily by female teachers and staff. He's promoting the idea that boys are intellectually inferior to girls, when what's actually going on is boys are being discriminated against and stopped…
/r/MensRights05/06/24 12:24 AM
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It's these sort of phrases, by the way, that make people unsympathetic about men's rights. Nah, the lack of sympathy comes first, because they think that men don't deserve empathy. Then they use post hoc reasoning to say "actually these MRAs are all misogynists" to justify, ironically, the enforcement of traditionalist gender roles on men. The misandry in how we raise boys is pervasive and nobody seems to want to address it. However, until we do, we will never have healthier, happier boys like y…
/r/MensRights04/06/24 10:19 PM
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The charitable reading is not the intent. The intent is to shame and dehumanize men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 09:13 AM
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There's still loads of women in those subs who think that abused boys need to be treated as predators first and victims second.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 08:10 AM
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How about feminists just stop hating men? Oh wait, that's too hard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 08:09 AM
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Even the CPTSD subreddit supports Amber Heard and actively isolates men who voice issues with the way male trauma is addressed/men are spoken of in that space. The CPTSD subreddit banned me because I pointed out that saying that men were worse than dangerous bears was dehumanizing to male victims of PTSD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 08:08 AM
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No, I don't see that, and in fact they ban men or nonfeminists who criticize those feminists. It's all drowned out in the sea of misandry. They think men are subhuman scum, and that it's right to say that men are worse than a dangerous animal (man or bear).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 08:07 AM
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Every woman I associate with are sympathetic to men's issues and most are feminists Wild, in my experience the feminists who say they are sympathetic towards mens' issues still mean they think that men who fail to perform masculinity under capitalism are lesser, they just think that they should gain social clout by pitying them. As far as "The Patriarchy" that's a term that's not talking about you or I, it's about the system we're in which helps and hurts women and helps and hurts men No it's no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 08:00 AM
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Did you report the mod in question for harassment?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 10:33 PM
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I think sometimes we (LMA) forget that we do indeed live in a patriarchy By a feminist definition of patriarchy, no we don't, because the feminist definition of patriarchy is nonsensical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 10:27 PM
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The goal was to make women look like idiots The goal was to dunk on men and shame and degrade them as being lesser than dangerous animals. The people who created the question don't think the discourse around it makes women look stupid, they think it makes men look evil.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 10:18 PM
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I was surprised to see that I was not the only woman who was loudly objecting to the rhetoric, which emboldened me to be a bit louder and I imagine it may have emboldened others. That's wild, all sorts of subs on this site banned people who objected to that rhetoric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 10:14 PM
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bro, do you expect me to pull a tweet from a year ago out of my asshole? I expect you to make an argument grounded in something other than meaningless anecdotes and racism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/24 08:29 AM
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I mean, even black boys (14-16) are socialized by their mom to be a drug dealer. Where are you getting this info from? from my experience with black women, they are also insanely loving and progressive. I mean I've met plenty of black women who are nice people and plenty who aren't. I'd be interested in population-level surveys that tease out these differences in attitudes but I think at this point you're just speculating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/24 10:37 PM
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Not a representative sample.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/24 04:35 AM
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The point is that it's hypocrisy to vote for a welfare state like black women do overwhelmingly voting for the Democrats (and a disportionately large percentage of them are single mothers receiving assistance from the government) but then simultaneously talking shit about broke men, especially how much they hate on broke black men. This is someone you've made up in your head, just like Reagan helped people fantasize about "welfare queens" in the 80's.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/24 03:46 AM
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It's funny how black women keep voting Democrats because they want "gibs" No lol. Heaven forbid people don't want to live in brutal sink-or-swim capitalism where people start off on uneven footing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/24 02:45 AM
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Nope.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/24 01:06 AM
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Everyone should report that post for "hate" to reddit admins.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 08:50 AM
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I don't see that much woman-hating on mensrights tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/24 01:02 AM
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It's super telling that he replies to people and then locks his post so they can't respond. He's not used to actually having to defend his positions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/24 12:59 AM
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Menslib specifically shuts down those kinds of comparisons because the mod staff fundamentally believes that women are more worthy humans than men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/24 12:50 AM
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Can you summarize without linking straight do a download?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/24 12:00 AM
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"Feminism" is an ideology, not an institution, and plenty of feminists don't give a single fuck about their image. Nah, feminists tend to circle the wagons around abusive or misandrist feminists from any criticism by men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/24 09:25 PM
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It's irresponsible to claim that when we know that boys are neglected more by their mothers than girls and are discriminated against by teachers. Start giving boys as much love, attention, and respect as girls and then get back to me on neurodevelopment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/24 06:47 PM
3

Reeves believes that boys are intellectually inferior to girls.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/24 06:25 PM
2

Seems like an inflammatory OP. Care to link to the tweet?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 11:30 PM
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The purplepill mods are misandrists who ban men who defend themselves against bigoted attacks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/24 03:26 AM
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The reason I refuse to be anti-feminist is not because of feminists but because of who I would be associated with as anti-feminists; Andrew Tate, Pearl Davis, traditionalists, Islamists, and incels. Those people are not our allies either. And the Soviet Union was atheist. When you're not something, when you're defined by not being something, there are going to be a lot of people that you share absolutely nothing with who are grouped in with you, because you by definition inherently share nothing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/24 03:06 AM
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When people bring up crime statistics as some sort of "proof" that men are more violent than women, I always ask if they also believe black people are more violent than white people. This is a good argument, which is why feminist subs will ban you for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 08:39 AM
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Yup, same thing just happened to me on /r/bropill. The mods there are very against male victims of sex crimes being treated with care, and think we should just shut the fuck up about it and let the real worthy humans, (white) women, receive care and attention.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 08:33 AM
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You are far too vague for me to understand what's going on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 07:04 PM
2

There's also evidence that environmental toxins have been causing developmental disorders like autism in the younger generations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 04:24 AM
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I think this invite is expired.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/24 08:33 PM
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Selective Service system. Let's also not forget that female genital mutilation is illegal but male genital mutilation isn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/24 03:10 AM
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Women are under attack right now, politically/legally. If my body was regulated by the government, there would literally be blood in the streets. Full stop. People would be hanging. It would be the swiftest, most decisive end of a political party or political power in the history of the country, if not the world. Your body is regulated by the government. People care less about male bodies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/24 06:59 PM
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'The patriarchy' is a social system that is largely a holdover from the Victorian era of colonialism That's nonsensical, because that would imply it wouldn't apply to places that weren't affected by Victorian-era colonialism. Also, plenty of non-Christian societies display these traits as well; it sounds like you're trying to blame it on a particular group of people (white European men) and ignoring history. Moreover, what you are describing is simply "gender roles" not a patriarchy. Let's clari…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 07:03 PM
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I'm left wing and don't want to date anyone who cares that much about politics (either way).
/r/MensRights05/03/24 09:05 PM
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We're going to have to get into it because it's central to your argument for why people should believe your bullshit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 11:42 PM
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First of all, the original intent of the idea of the patriarchy was something that benefits men with no downsides. Second, this "patriarchy" seems to benefit most women at the expense of most men. How can you call that a patriarchy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 07:24 PM
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Then how is it an advantage for most men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 07:18 PM
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hmm, science is just a tool in the philosophers' belt at this point. I think you're giving far too much credit to science tbh. Why? Because science doesn't support your views on gender studies?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 05:41 AM
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I guarantee he'd say your rape isn't as bad as rapes that happen to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 05:39 AM
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You seem to be hyper fixated on the fact that the apex of society was / is controlled by men Pretty common for people like /u/Fruity_Pies . Men succeeding in life is evidence of discrimination against women, because we don't consider the men who didn't succeed as real men or worthy of human regard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 05:38 AM
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Historic masculine dominance in all seats of power- capitalistic, morarchistic, sexual and religious. I would argue that is a fairly obvious quantifiable measure of advantage don't you think? No, because the average man is not being benefitted from that, he's actually being hurt by other forces.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 05:37 AM
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Notice how they frame "Rich men = good and moral, poor men = misogynist and immoral"? This is why feminism, as it's practiced, is overwhelmingly a right-wing pro-capitalist ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 09:39 PM
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I believe it depends on how you define racism Sure, and a lot of people reject the "systemic discrimination" as the sole definition of racism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 12:01 AM
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So feminism isn't the problem here. I'd make the argument that the people in 2 are just not fully engaging with feminism. The problem is feminism; that some people aren't perfect feminists is lucky, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 11:38 PM
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Also, I see blantant misogyny everywhere in this sub What's an example?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 09:51 PM
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I roll my eyes a LOT, this comment section is a fair example, but hey, it's not my space and not my perspective, and that's why I'm here. Do you ever look at feminist spaces and think that they are hating on men instead of being pro-woman?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 09:51 PM
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Yeah, I come here to lurk occasionally, but I don’t really want this sub in my posting history. Afraid of getting canceled by the sisterhood for not hating men enough?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 09:50 PM
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Any space trying to maintain a minimum presence of feminists will end up having to enforce double standards making sure feminism isn't challenged, and certainly not treated proportionally to how feminists behave, because otherwise, the feminists all disappear. They need the ability to bully and insult without retaliation or challenge, or they leave. Hence what happens to subs like FeMRAdebates. Also PurplePillDebate, amusingly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 09:48 PM
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Genuinely curious, but could you give an example of feminist academia refusing to call it rape when a man is forced to have sex with a woman? Mary P. Koss is the name you're going to want to google. She's also probably one of the most well known college rape crusaders.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 09:39 PM
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We also know that parents, especially mothers, do much more actual parenting of girls than boys - of course it's easier to mature more quickly with more support!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 06:50 PM
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You are a misandrist who hates male sexuality (and female sexuality.)
/r/EverydayMisandry22/02/24 02:31 PM
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I'm pro-swearing and pro drugs. Psilocybin saved my life. Get out of here with that shit. People who swear more often are more honest, and honesty is a virtue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 08:03 AM
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Yes, a lot of us are sex positive because we don't hate people for their sexuality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 08:02 AM
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You know nothing about the history of circumcision. It was done to boys to suppress their sexuality, irrespective of religion. The same people who decry female genital mutilation get furious at men who think they deserve bodily autonomy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 08:01 AM
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You're not supporting him right now by promoting those bogus statistics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 07:59 AM
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Powerful women oppress men and women too. Also, as the idea of the patriarchy was originally conceived of by feminists, it was an "all men oppress all women" kind of thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 07:55 AM
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Feminists are remarkably un-self-examined about feminism. Critique of feminism, even misandrist feminists like Gearhart, is not allowed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 10:55 PM
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I don't have a link, but it was on one of the UK politics subs that they're also active on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/24 06:03 PM
4

What a weird fucking comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/24 05:21 PM
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The pushback against the term "female circumcision" should be equally applicable to MGM. It's very telling that the mods of one of the subs that claims to advocate for men mocks people who are against MGM/circumcision as "crybabies." Ironic, considering that little boys who have this done to them are definitely crying babies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/24 12:01 AM
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Right, but a lot of people only care when the victim is a woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 06:24 AM
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Weird how everyone who says "both sides" ends up supporting the extreme right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 08:05 PM
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How many voted for the Democratic candidate because they feel that the Democratic candidate would put white women over everyone else?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 08:04 PM
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The mainstream left hates everyone who isn't rich, just like the right. By definition this sub isn't part of the mainstream left though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 07:57 PM
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But the current prevalence of it is mainly a post-2016 phenomenon. I think it started around 2010. When was elevatorgate?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 08:32 PM
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The largest segment of men's rights advocates MRA and redpill are not the same thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 08:31 PM
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I have now seen a thread where someone overtly saying that they are happy to see Roe v. Wade overturned, that they will not srand up to see it reinstated, defending TRP rhetoric that infantilizes and generalizes women, and constant erasure of women's issues being upvoted. That's been here since the beginning of the sub. Also mods can't ban people for upvoting a post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 08:24 PM
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Yup. Look what happened to elephants when humans killed all the bulls.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 06:57 PM
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Collective guilt doesn't solve anything. How about we blame mothers for raising abusive boys? It'd be just as productive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/24 08:30 PM
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We have a (white) womens' party and a (white) mens' party in the US, though, functionally.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/24 06:28 PM
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By definition, hierarchies and egalitarianism are mutually exclusive. What is the right correct about? Their ideology is inimical to the way I want to live my life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 08:19 PM
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You see that because the sensible left-wing voices that speak out for men are censored even more vociferously, because they freak misandrists out more than anything else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 05:36 AM
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Egalitarianism is not an ideology. Yeah it is. The core right-wing ideology is hierarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 05:35 AM
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One thing I pride myself on is that I am banned from ukpolitics for my pro male views By the mod staff from /r/mr? lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 08:49 PM
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That sub exists to provide misandrists a place to abuse vulnerable men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 02:07 AM
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So... the mainstream left is just pro-white women. That's it. Which means it really isn't left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 09:19 PM
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I have been kicked out of bed for asking a gal for consent or what she's down for. She just wanted me to initiate so she had no responsibility for the sex act. Very feminist by the way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 06:34 AM
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No, it has a lot to do with misandry - men are inherently worthless in that schema, and can only become worthy with a woman's approval.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 06:31 AM
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Its misandrist to treat all men with an automatic assumption of threat. If someone said that white people should only accept black people who have fight friends, almost anyone would easily be able to point out why that is racist. It's really funny that feminist subs ban people who make this argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 06:30 AM
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Have you witnessed any discrimination from left-wing women towards autistic, socially awkward guys in this context? ..you think only right-wingers discriminate against non-neurotypical people?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 06:29 AM
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Are they?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 06:26 AM
1

Huh?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/24 06:46 AM
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Why are you surveying communities when you're new to reddit?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/24 09:06 PM
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All I ask is for you to recognize the distinction between 21st century feminism and other historical renditions of feminism. Most people fail to do this which also fuels the false belief that 21st century feminism that we produce, and experience is of the same nobility as it always has. The core tenants and sexist nature that we think of are quite distinctly different from what they were 50 or 100 years ago. I dunno, early feminism was saying shit that basically amounted to "White women are bett…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/24 06:22 PM
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When I, now adult woman, was in my early adolescence about 8 years ago (12y) complained to female teachers about sexual harassment from male students I was specifically told the quote "boys will be boys." I was told things like "he's hitting you because he likes you." These are very real things that happened. That's cool. If you're a boy who was sexually harassed by girls, you get even less sympathy. Feminism doesn't really have an answer to that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/24 06:19 PM
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The difference is that black women will also look out for black men when society is gunning for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/24 06:13 PM
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That's the point; they don't want men to win. They want to enforce the idea that men are morally inferior to women on us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/24 06:13 PM
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It's a way of trying to put all of a given man's dating woes back on the man. If he's having trouble dating it must be that he's not talking to women like human beings, regardless of the evidence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/24 06:10 PM
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Right, towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:36 PM
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/u/januaryphilosopher still waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:31 PM
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Well, for political, it's other women, since they make up the majority of the electorate...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:30 PM
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The issue is that almost all women will circle the wagons and defend even abusive, abhorrent women from male criticism, even if justified, and tell the men they're wrong for judging said shitty women. That's why men say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:28 PM
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Do they lose attraction or does the novelty/infatuation wear off? They lose attraction, love, and respect for partners they cohabit with. Men don't. Many women are incapable of loving and respecting a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 05:59 PM
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Right, because you don't hate them based on what genitalia they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 05:57 PM
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No, you entirely misunderstand it. It's primarily the.idea that people ascribe good qualities to women as a group but bad qualities to men as a group. Most non-liberal feminists still believe that women are morally superior to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:30 AM
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Huh? Female in-group bias is well represented.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:01 AM
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Nah, that study is done - women lose attraction for men they cohabit with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:01 AM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:00 AM
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The point is that most feminists think that not assuming women are morally good is misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:00 AM
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What about women who do want to have sex with you, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:59 AM
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I generally find women are much worse conversationalists than men, weird. Maybe it's how Inselect my male social group.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:55 AM
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Why not? Healthiest time for women to have children is 26, but early 20's is fine too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:05 AM
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It's definitely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 01:02 AM
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No, but the vast majority of them are as I say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 01:02 AM
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That's why I liked Avatar: The Last Airbender. Katara (and other besides) was telling Aang to kill Ozai and he found a better way. These days, showing a male character having a moral answer that a woman doesn't would repulse a lot of people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/24 12:32 AM
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It's fucking shocking how so many women never had to learn to be polite and actually engage in conversation with someone respectfully. It's no wonder the vast majority of you are poor conversationalists who can't string your ideas together.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:18 AM
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Well if you find womens' sexuality to be benign but male sexuality to be evil than that's called sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:17 AM
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There's a correlation between maternal autoantibody activities and autism; mothers' immune systems attacking their developing child may be the cause. There are also environmental factors, it may be due to all of the indutrial byproduct toxins we put in our environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:16 AM
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The number of young boys being inundated with meds is frightening. Those meds help boys. The problem is that K-12 teachers hate boys and grade them lower for the same work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:15 AM
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The raise of severe autism is too evident and unambiguous to be explained only by diagnosis. You're right, but we also know it's not entirely due to older mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:15 AM
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That wasn't the assertion that was made. It's also known as moving the goalpost. No, it's phrasing it in a different way. All women are good (compared to men).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:13 AM
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If that was the case, she wouldn't be doing anything with you anyway. She's having boring duty sex and living off your paycheck, giving you exactly the minimum amount of affection to keep you around but slowly resenting you for not being the attractive, high-status men she thinks she deserves. Anyway, your assessment is off. But, if you want to poison potentially good relationships because of insecurities, that's your business. It's women who fail to maintain attraction over the course of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:13 AM
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Assumptions are not accurate. Yeah they are. You're quite active on this sub, and your hatred of men who have been victims of physical or emotional abuse is well known. It's definitely the norm for women here, though, it's not unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:11 AM
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The majority of the time, if someone is resistant to do something they've done in the past, the reasoning is logical and not malicious. No, it's usually "I did that with men who are sexy. You are not sexy."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:03 AM
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if their ex lied to them and now they're mistrustful towards me Right, but isn't it very normal for women to put this on men? Why is it wrong the other way?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:02 AM
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Well, they assume that all women are better than all men. Hence why they don't like men criticizing Amy Barrett - it's someone who's morally inferior criticizing their moral superior, even if it's a relatively "bad" woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:01 AM
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No, but they don't want men to criticize her and think it's misogynist. In general, obviously, we aren't talking about all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:52 PM
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And you're /u/jnroberts42 under an alt account.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:51 PM
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Also women tend to want to compromise more. With other women. They find compromising with men to be degrading (why women don't like apologizing to their male partners).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:49 PM
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Still not afraid of them We call this sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:47 PM
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Because women don’t have motive to fuck Well, if you think sex is inherently harmful that's on you. I don’t think they’re angels Sure, but if a guy talked about how his ex abused him it'd make you uncomfortable, because he's criticizing women and that's not allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:47 PM
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They're all over this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:46 PM
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It's not a false premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:46 PM
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I think that in-group bias is strong enough for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:45 PM
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Right but women generally get uncomfortable when men talk about them; they think it's wrong for men to acknowledge that women can do evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:45 PM
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Every woman knows a BPD women they avoid like the plague. Right, but if a guy criticizes said woman suddenly he's a misogynist asshole and that woman needs to be defended.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:43 PM
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I am vehemently against unconditional female solidarity Then call it out on this sub when you see it please.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:43 PM
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Sure, but women will often defend women from attacks on their character, even if they're very justified. Most women think that men are lowly and don't have the right to criticize women, either individually or as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:42 PM
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I do think a lot of men here confuse “not all women are like this” with “all women are good”. I don't. I think a lot of women here are furious that men have the temerity to criticize women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:41 PM
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Not internalised misogyny to dislike the mean girls clique. Feminists generally disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:41 PM
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Lots of men need to learn to focus on having an enjoyable interaction in of itself rather than the interaction being a means to an end. It’s not like every woman you talk to is going to be worth it. Honestly, the amount of women who are worth talking to is a subset of the women who are willing to sleep with you, usually. Most women are poorly socialized and can't really talk to guys like people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:37 PM
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For real. They're only happy if men and boys are emotionally self-mutilating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/23 04:27 AM
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That's great of you. Unfortunately there's a problem where there's this sort of female praxis that women are afraid to speak out against, whereas men are more willing to buck trends in that way. Unless (white, educated) women who do treat men like shit get shamed for it... it's going to keep happening. Especially because that's disproportionately the kind of person who controls K-12 education in the US.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/23 03:24 AM
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Feminists do not like examples like this brought up - they will block or ban you for doing it. Also, they love to pretend that white women did not play a part in the oppression of black slaves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/23 02:54 AM
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What religious baggage? I'm interesting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/23 02:08 AM
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Why are you against holding women accountable for being shitty people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:04 AM
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Nope. Get women together and they will compete to talk about how badly their male partners treat them, chasing that victim status in the group. Men don't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:03 AM
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You're right, these things can definitely happen! I'm not putting blame on anyone, just describing a woman's perspective. The problem is the narrative you described is more based around finding a way to make a woman's poor communication and lack of commitment to the relationship her male partner's fault. Putting blame on women isn't exactly acceptable in our culture. Sometimes, even when a woman doesn't come out and tell a man exactly what's wrong and what he needs to do, it can still hurt her f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:01 AM
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I've heard people claim they use it like you say, while using it the way I say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:59 AM
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I see the exact opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:58 AM
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Well, she was. I went to high school with her; more of a friend of a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:57 AM
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If I talked to you at a show you'd probably blow me off like most of them do. I don't know you, so who knows, but I doubt most guys are blowing you off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:57 AM
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It's a far smaller segment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:56 AM
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Factually untrue. Families spend about 89 cents on girl children per dollar for boys. Doubt it. Boys are more likely to have hobbies, sports and tutors vs girls. They get more expensive gifts on holidays. They do less chores then their female counterparts and parents spend more time driving them the female children. Girls get more love and support from their parents, and do better in life because of it. Damn your so fucking wrong and it took like, looking into it for like a second before you spo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:56 AM
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No, it's shaming men for wanting their partners to treat them as human. Brené Brown, an actual therapist, looked into this and found that most women are hostile to emotionality and vulnerability from their male partners. It's just that women have been demanding that men open up for ages... then when they do the women instinctively lash out and attack the men who do so, but said women refuse to admit they're the bad guy here and so make up that bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:55 AM
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It's okay for a man to sexualize himself and talk about what's sexy, sex he likes to have, etc. Nah, remember how "Blurred Lines" was evil?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:51 AM
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I think the difference is now that you have feminists talking about how male expressions of sexuality in media are disgusting and evil while cheering on the female ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:50 AM
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Black women have it uniquely hard in dating in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:48 AM
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No, they hold women to lower standards of sexual decency. All that matters is if women get hurt; men are disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:36 AM
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60% of obesity is explained by genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:34 AM
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Maybe he started taking the relationship for granted as time went on and stopped giving her the amount of attention he gave her when they first got together? Maybe he unknowingly ignored her cries for affection and emotional connection? Maybe she kept saying everything's fine when she was unhappy? When a woman is unhappy, she will become hurt even further by her partner's inability to see it or unwillingness to do anything about it, and eventually start to emotionally distance herself from her p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:33 AM
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No, it's unearned because white girls are given an easy ride through education and act like they earned it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:30 AM
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Feminists shaming male emotionality with the "she isn't your therapist!" language (while never mentioning that soooo many guys are functionally an ancillary or primary therapist for their female partner) is the norm. Feminists hate weak men, because feminists see men as having unearned advantages in society... so weak men must be reall losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:30 AM
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Aight well I guess I know more about this topic than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:29 AM
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Right! But guys get this constant societal messaging that you've got to keep your wife happy, that's the good thing to do, don't be a misogynist. Whereas women get the opposite - if your husband's happy, that means he isn't working hard enough for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:28 AM
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I thought man flu was men acting more sick than women with the same symptoms. No, it's women shaming men for being sick, because real men don't get sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:27 AM
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In my 30 years of female friendships i've never heard a woman talk in disgust about her husband being weak, having cried, being vulnerable or even being in a low life state like unemployement or sickness with the caveat that several women have complained that their unemployed husbands are extra mean/volatile because of the stress of having their ego impacted by not working. I don't believe you. I definitely have. One of my friends publicly shamed her boyfriend because he cried at a sad movie. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:26 AM
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Therapy’s really useful for this, a therapist will actually do a great job not just turning venting into problem solving, but it’ll actually train your mind to view problems from that perspective. The issue is that if you need therapy because your female partner shames and attacks you for opening up, that woman needs to be kicked to the curb. That's like 80%+ of women these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:25 AM
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Why the fuck are you censoring "shit"? Are you like five?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:24 AM
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She'd shame and attack you regardless - "Why are you bringing up such a small issue to me" etc. Most women hate and despise male vulnerability.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:23 AM
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Stop avoiding his points.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:22 AM
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if you’re still stuck thinking toxic masculinity is man hating That's definitely a component of it. "Men are inherently unworthy so have to prove themselves useful to find a place in society" is one of the toxic gender aspects enforced on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:22 AM
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cause thats exactly what it is - emotional vomit, and for the record i don’t think men should be okay with women doing it either The problem is that virtually all women expect men to put up with their "emotional vomit," are willing to put up with "emotional vomit" from other women, but aren't willing to put up with it from their male partner. It's the "men are supposed to be stoic sources of emotional support" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:21 AM
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No. Vulnerability is weakness... that's it's definition. Sounds like you're using circular reasoning - "If you were vulnerable and she didn't like it, then you were being weak instead." A man can open up to his female partner about his problems in just as eloquent and inspired a way as her female friend did, but she'll give her female friend support and give her male partner shame and scorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:20 AM
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It'd honestly be about the same. The issue isn't just libido; it's that men are raised the way they are. Female attention is valuable even if you aren't fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:16 AM
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I think anything that makes women not seem flawless is disallowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:16 AM
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that's not feminist It's a very common trait among feminists, and I think it's actually more prominent among feminists than non-feminists. Of course, feminists say they aren't like this because it's fairly evil, but feminists seem to hate expressions of male emotion...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:14 AM
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I thought men were brave leaders? Depends on the man. But the problem I'm describing is women demanding power without the responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:12 AM
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They do, it's very much how it operates. Look at Amy Cooper; she was/is very feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:11 AM
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Yes, the women should choose more moral actions. Or do you mean reject Western women altogether? That's a reasonable approach...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:10 AM
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No I wouldn't. Female abusers aren't taken as seriously as they should be due to the "woman are wonderful" idea men have. It's also due to the female in-group bias; many women don't like to see female abusers taken to account. But that's beside the point. Men who keep their distance from women are widely decried as misogynists. Any comment section of a teacher taking advantage of a young man has men egging it on in the comments. There are also a lot of women who don't see it as a problem, becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:10 AM
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No, it's not. I just despise the massive unearned advantages women are given in education and socialization that we don't talk about. Also, the fact that many women think that our economic system is just.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:07 AM
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Those are one place I'll say is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:06 AM
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Dances Last dance group I went to it was made clear by the female organizer to the male attendees that this would not be a place to flirt and that if you asked a woman out or "made advances" you'd be kicked out. plays As in acting? Or attending? outdoorsy groups except for hunting There are hiking meetups I've been to, it's all married women. Single women would rather watch Netflix and drink. fitness groups ...where you're not supposed to hit on women. I think you're full of it .
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:05 AM
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Raising babies and keeping house is also slaving away. So is working long hours at a job to come home to a female partner who doesn't give you affection or love, and sees you as a provider drone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:02 AM
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This may be a hot take but mental health is the responsibility of the person suffering with it. Not when we systematically dehumanize and demonize classes of people. Hurting people and then shaming them for being hurt is monstrous. Just as your colon cancer isn't something I'm tasked with helping, neither is your depression. Well, if colon cancer could be caused by the fact that most women don't have empathy for men, it might be applicable. Women just think men are less worthy human beings than …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:02 AM
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I'm not talking about Barbie and frankly I don't give a shit. It's a racist movie that erases the struggles of black people to make it look like white women have it so fucking hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:00 AM
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Except the poster you're responding to used the term "matriarchy" and meant it. The focus of feminism right now is putting white women on top of the hierarchy instead of white men. That's very much a matriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:59 AM
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No, you said a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:59 AM
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Demanding that any expression of male emotionality be shut down as male entitlement, an unfair placing of emotional labor on women, etc. Framing everything in terms of "privilege," and thus men who are struggling with life must be real losers, not being able to succeed despite all those unearned advantages they have. Better to shut up and solve it yourself, you failed patriarch you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:58 AM
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Who is claiming that that is a mens problem to fix the female mental health crisis. Anyone who says that men need to give special care to female emotionality, all that "emotional labor" stuff. Women certainly are not asking men to have pity sex with them to make them feel loved or build their ego, which seems to be the applicable equivalent in OP’s post. No, but they are asking men to treat women with more care and regard than they are allowed to treat themselves. Really the only aspect of gende…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:57 AM
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My entire family always favored boys/men, as most cultures do. In the US we overwhelmingly favor girls and women. I don't know where you're from, but it's likely you received preferential treatment compared to the boys around you growing up, but you think they were such undeserving scum that even that isn't enough for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:55 AM
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Disagree. Many women have a hard time respecting men who don't outrank them in status.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:54 AM
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Citation needed for that statement. Men have more empathy for women than the reverse. Especially in your case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:12 PM
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I know women who think that men can't experience real trauma and that male rape victims don't deserve the same kind of regard as female victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:11 PM
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A lot of men are politically active along those lines. They're just called misogynists for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:08 PM
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People like you are rare these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:07 PM
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Yup, and feminists say the exact same things dressed up in ideologically acceptable language. There's no salvation there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:06 PM
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Do you know what the "-archy" suffix means?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:00 PM
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You just say those men aren't sincere because you don't want to have empathy for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:00 PM
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Can't divest from the patriarchy when every woman, eapecially feminists, enforces toxic gender roles on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:56 PM
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Sure, but the Bechdel test has nothing to do with gender representation in media.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:55 PM
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No. Women love their sons less then their daughters, usually. There's a whole host of metrics on which mothers mistreat their sons compared to their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:54 PM
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That doesn't work because a lot of mens' mental health problems are caused by women, just as much as they are by other men. You would never say that women need to fix a female mental health crisis; that would be mens' responsibility too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:52 PM
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Right, but are you going to have less empathy for them? To treat your sons worse than your daughters? Because most women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:46 PM
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No, men have always treated women with more empathy than women have treated men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:45 PM
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Straight white women are the most privileged demographic by anyone's metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:40 PM
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Huh? What's with your emphasis on choice? We don't choose what happens to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:33 PM
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Nah, us men are definitely out there. It's single women who stay home more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:32 PM
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Women value consensus much more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:31 PM
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As many or more men are being beaten by their female partners too. Stop trying to blame men fornthe fact that many women see them asdisposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:30 PM
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What social events? The ones I go to have zero single women, but plenty of single guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:25 PM
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They want it to happen more, but they will tell guys not to approach. They want men who approach them anyway, for the ego boost of a guy who's so crqzy about her he breaks the rules, and she isn't sending any affection back his way which helps her ego too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:25 PM
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Men aren't approaching because women are constantly telling them they don't want to be approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:23 PM
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It's a small rise, and women love male partners who they have to provide for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:21 PM
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Women who have normalized emotional abuse of men in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:21 PM
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No, it's more an indicator of how effectively late-stage capitalism has been sold to women. If a guy doesn't support the 1% his wife will be right there to keep him in line.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:19 PM
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Nothing is more important for child development than parents modeling how to be productive successful members of society. Nah, I got parentified super hard by my mom so she could focus on her job. Which was as a schoolteacher. And then she'd tell me how much worse I was than all of her wonderful students. A lot of women do sacrifice their children for their job. Men too. Luckily my dad didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:18 PM
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The point is that no matter how much he loves her, a lot of women are incapable of respecting their male partner as much as their boss, because they only respect power and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:13 PM
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Because you think men are subhuman and don't deserve equal treatment. Frankly, that's the answer for a lot of the women in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:12 PM
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And yet you'd shame a man who was abused by women for keeping his distance, and call him a misogynist. Funny, that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:11 PM
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No, you just don't want to snuggle and love men. Get over yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:11 PM
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Men aren't feigning incompetence. Many women demand dictatorial control over households, so men check out. But while these women demand control, they still want their male partners to take responsibility for the household without taking any authority. Hence the friction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:10 PM
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The issue is that for many women they will change their "specific" way to however their husband doesn't so it so they can nag and shame him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:09 PM
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If you add up the time people spend working in and outside the home, partnered men work slightly more than partnered women. Stop repeating those fairuly tales, it reeks of female entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:08 PM
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No, because unlike women, men treat their spouses better than their bosses.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:07 PM
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What you're missing is that feminism has very much aligned with capital and the interests of the top 1% in the last 20 years. Women are more prone to seeing people at the top of hierarchies as being good people by virtue of their status; the issue with women that this phrase is describing is they prioritize their job and boss over their male partner, and thus don't respect him because they see him as low status.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:06 PM
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Capitalism convincing young women that they need to slave away in the labor market instead of living life is definitely systemic. And yes, people are being denied. That's the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:03 PM
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No, feminists are not helping. They tend to make supposedly mixed male/female spaces hostile to mrn and welcoming to women. Many of them view men and boys being happy as a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:02 PM
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Everywhere in the discourse on gender issues. Also, this sub blames men as much as it blames women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:21 PM
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Yup! When we actually hold women as accountable as we do men it'll be a great step.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 09:43 PM
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Some men do. And some women do. The problem is we only talk about the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 09:42 PM
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No, all you've proven is that you'll pivot any statement to bigoted hating on men. Women have the blame here, because women do most of the parenting, and also prevent men from doing more parenting via maternal gatekeeping.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:53 PM
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/u/MistyMaisel replying here because I don't like this sub's flair system. I talk with her; I saw her for Thanksgiving (at her mother's). I don't open up to her because she punishes and attacks vulnerability. She has a tendency to blame me for any problems I experience or center herself instead. She actually did a lot, but it was because she would shame me and start shit-stirring about tasks not being done the right way. And if I exceeded her standards for cleaning, she'd start mocking me about …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:43 PM
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I never understood why people never hold men accountable for letting boys fail as they do. Non sequitur to what I was talking about. I'll ignore the rest of your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:03 PM
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Well I think something it's important to consider is that if you poll mothers in the US, they say they treat their sons better than their daughters and they feel bad about it, but if you actually look at the metrics they treat their daughters better than their sons by basically every measurable way. So there's a strong narrative that all the bad things that happen to boys are deserved. This may not be true of you, but I'd encourage you to consider that bias and if you're practicing it. There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:00 PM
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It's also that it's become in vogue to treat boys like shit since the 90's at least. So boys have an unsupportive childhood, girls are supported, and then young women are somehow convinced that boys have it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:08 PM
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Nah, plenty of women are shallow and bigoted.b
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:06 PM
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Part of the issue is that women tend to react to guys who bear these issues feom childhood, who are still working on them, by attacking them and making it worse. There's a lot of women who despise men with mental health problems or childhood trauma, and it seeks to correlate the most with peoplenl who believe in "male privilege" the strongest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 06:56 PM
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I saw it a lot with college-educated feminist women, doesn't seem to be a low income thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 06:19 PM
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It doesn't take emotionally unwell mothers to produce this, just onea who don't love their sons as much as their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 06:10 PM
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Sure, but we also know that it's normalized to just that sons worse than daughters. Boys develop more avoidant attachment styles because their mothers give them less affection than their sisters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 06:08 PM
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The worst is when your mother refuses affection but has loads of affection for her friends' female children and talks about how great girls are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 06:06 PM
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Okay, but as a woman, this feels pretty damn misogynistic. Why? I don't think you'd be bothered by a similar rant about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 05:51 PM
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RemindMe! = 3 days
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 06:35 AM
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"Girls mature more quickly" is used as an explanation for why girls succeed in education over boys all the time, especially by feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 10:51 PM
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Trump did his level best to keep the Exonerated Five falsely imprisoned; the right is not our ally either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 09:55 AM
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No they don't. Feminists don't give a shit that boys are discriminated against in K-12 education, they just want to frame it like girls are more mature and they deserve their unearned advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:12 AM
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That said, I think there might be some regional variation in attitudes Might be, I live in California.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:46 PM
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Source for what exactly? Be specific, or else we're not going to get to the bottom of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:42 PM
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It's kind of impossible to provide a source because no matter how much of it I provide you'll still insist thatbit doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:03 AM
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Why do men who play no power role in society rush to the defence of that do? Why do feminists rush to attack men who have no power in society?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:23 AM
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Bit of a mixed bag there. Some yes, some no.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:22 AM
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Most women I know have been assaulted. Getting groped in a crowd is assault, you know? That's happened to me from women too. But it's generally not considered ok to talk about with the same people who take that kind of casual sexual assault of women seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:19 AM
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Angry misandrists, who have a weird amount of stroke in modern media.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:07 AM
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Punctuality, respectful communication, showing genuine interest in your date’s thoughts feelings, and seeking consent are baseline reasonable adult dating behaviors for everyone… From an objective moral standpoint, sure. But the current zeitgeist is that men must do these things to women but women are under no obligation to provide them for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:05 AM
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"Women are passive and moral" is a belief. So you need to point to that belief. I'm pointing to actions which show they have that belief regardless of what their ideology fronts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 08:41 PM
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No, most women are like that. I'm not talking about the women I'm dating, just the woman I interact with around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:11 PM
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You know you're a bigot, you just don't care. Why would I provide you with examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:07 PM
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Someone else in this comment thread linked it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:06 PM
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Really? Because more women commit monodirectional IPV than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:05 PM
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Please outline why you disagree with this study.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:04 PM
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Huh? What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:03 PM
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Nothing concrete, but the way he talks and acts would only seem laudable to a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:02 PM
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No, the problem is that the criticisms here are often so sweeping about women (and literally AWALT - so you can’t pushback or argue that there are plenty of exceptions) and often truly paint women like complete scumbags who are beneath men I don't see that that often. I see "many women" or "women often" sorts of statements quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:10 AM
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I would say that it’s more that the entire collective of womanhood does not have specific inherent faults. That's true, but that's not what I'm describing. It should be pretty obvious that all women have some faults and plenty of them have a lot. Cool, then allow men to point them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:08 AM
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Yeah, it's women who are actually perceptive enough to see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 01:29 AM
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No. Black men are treated the worst by the US justice system, worse than white men, but black women are treated better than white men and white women are treated the best of all (among these groups).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:49 AM
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Well he does mainly try to take advantage of children...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:45 AM
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That applies to women across political lines; it's not all women, but it is a good amount of women. I don't think that most women mean to do it, they just literally don't get how much chivalry is baked into society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:40 AM
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If that were the case then most women wouldn't find men who treated them with benevolent sexism more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:39 AM
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Take a run at that again, your statement was not clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:02 AM
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the attack from men here is so relentless The attack is "relentless" because they refuse to admit women have faults.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:00 AM
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She's just an FDS misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:58 PM
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Except that you think that men have a unique responsibility to apologize for their existence that women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:57 PM
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I mean, I just want women who don't think I'm worth less due to being born male. I.e. - women without a strong in-group bias grounded in moral judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:57 PM
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I mean, if he thinks his opinion is logical that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:54 PM
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Problem is, if I express this, I'm accused of being a pick me and not supporting the sisterhood. That's because you're going against the "man bad, woman good" narrative. Like, I believe there's truth to the statement "not all men, but somehow always a man." Nah, plenty of women commit sex crimes or abuse their partners or whatever too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:53 PM
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Women unfortunately don’t have one another’s backs in the way that a man will defend TO THE DEATH the reputation of a man he’s never met lol No, women have a stronger in group bias than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:50 PM
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Not a protected class. You get better treatment in the US legal system as a black woman compared to a white man. Definitely a protected class.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:06 PM
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No, it's being male while being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:03 PM
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Please point to left wing feminist literature /philosophy/writings that back up your claim. This is backed up in feminist womens' actions, not their ideology. If you don’t like feminist, I doubt you spend a lot of time around them to know what they think. I work in academia. The default perspective in the US of this organization is white, middle-aged, and feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:49 PM
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*anti red pill bias You find men breathing around you to be aggravating. Your bias is against male humans. You are a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:02 AM
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how can men also have no understanding of basic Philosophy, which is required curriculum necessary to understand history and politics? Misandry is not philosophy lmao. I've studied both philosophy and statistics and I know enough to know that you are morally bankrupt and wallowing in anti-male bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:55 AM
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I don’t like benevolent sexism Then you're unusual among women What does putting pussy on a pedestal look like to you? Treating the cares, emotions, and neuroses of women and girls as being of greater important and significance than those of men and boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:51 AM
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In my experience a lot of feminist women don't, because it makes it difficult for the relationship script where she moralistically shames her partner into doing things to work if her partner is as or more moral than her according to the ideological framework of feminism. I.E. many feminists want to be in a relationship with a "bad" guy so they can play the role of the long-suffering woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:50 AM
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If he doesn't respect her life outside of whatever romance and sex she provides, yes, that's precisely how he sees her. Irrelevant, because you'd say that a guy who did see her as having a life outside of her ability to satisfy his needs sees her as merely a means to an end just because he has needs. The alternative, of course, is thst a man who respects women has a hard time dating, which is something you'll never admit to. Yes I would. The conservative harpies from FDS who demand princess trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:12 PM
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Women overwhelmingly don't want to be treated "like humans," they want to he treated with special care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:09 PM
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I work in research science, everyone here dates in their workplace because you don't have time to socialize outside the lab. MeToo applies to dating everywhere; male sexuality is seen as disgusting and dangerous by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:08 PM
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Sone of them are, I'm sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:07 PM
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If that's true of you you are an exception compared to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:06 PM
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Point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:00 PM
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Captain Marvel.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:59 PM
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It's all over Marvel movies too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:13 PM
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Conservative men are often weasels too. It's just that feminists are willing to date conservative men because their politics are often more conservative than they let on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:57 PM
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Just world fallacy. There are a lot of good men who have trouble with dating and a lot of shitty men who do well. Same with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:55 PM
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I'm an antifeminist and I'd agree... but I think it's so funny that feminist women hate feminist men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:51 PM
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Young men aren't actually becoming more conservative, it's just that left-wing men aren't becoming obviously political because they're constantly degraded and shamed in left-wing spaces. Long-term success in relationships has a lot to do with shared values, though, so it's good to date people who do share your values.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:50 PM
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Women overwhelmingly favor men who practice benevolent sexism/chivalry; they want to be pedestalized, not treated like humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:46 PM
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That's not it. It means stop treating women as a means to an end but ends in themselves. That's such a nebulous statement as to be useless. What's more, that comes down to castigating men for having unmet romantic needs. If a guy has tomantic needs, he must ipso facto be treating women like a means to an end... At the same time you'd never criticize a woman for treating a man like a tool. They're justified in treating men like objects because they're so superior to men. What's more, women overwh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:39 PM
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Except women overwhelmingly favor men who practice benevolent sexism, who do put pussy on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:28 PM
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I'm literally dating someone from my workplace right now. The point is that the situation js a minefield for guys right now. You can't expect guys to be entirely unaffected by #metoo and shit unless you treat women the same day, but you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:21 PM
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That's just realism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:12 AM
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"Speak of women"? I'm pointing out how a lot of women treat men like shit. What, you think women ate beyond criticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:11 AM
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Most women don't like their male friends being in happy relationships, because it means they get less attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:10 AM
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Nah, it's not risk aversion. The risk is real - a woman doesn't even have to go to HR to get you fired if you hit on her and she thinks she's out of your league. If men listen to the media or this sub, they'd be right to fear rejection since women here think men are scum.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:42 AM
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The mods are interested in keeping that myth going. They sculpt the conversation here pretty heavily.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:01 AM
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Would be good for a laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:00 AM
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It's the pickme because most guys treat women with care whereas most women treat men as disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:55 AM
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And I think it provides an insufficient justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:54 AM
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Every time I ask for examples of widespread misogyny on here people would rather block me than own up to it. Meanwhile I can find comments where women say men are disgusting for breathing around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:53 AM
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When it's women enforcing it on sons and not daughters, teachers enforcing it on boys and not girls... yeah it's "matriarchy."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:50 AM
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No, the "male hyperagency" thing means that it's more commonly told to men. Womens' problems are taken much more seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:49 AM
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So they're morally bankrupt. You're holding men to a higher standard than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:48 AM
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Many of jnroberts42's, for certain.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:47 AM
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My question remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:47 AM
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No, left-wing feminists respect men who yell or are angry more. Their frame is "women are passive and moral, men are active and evil." It's very much old-school chivalry, but feminism needs chivalry to work. If feminists don't feel like they're the more moral partner compared to their husband or boyfriend, they get uncomfortable and are likely to end the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:45 AM
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But those standards don't apply to women...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:51 PM
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Feminist women despise male vulnerability even more than traditionalist women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:48 PM
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No; there's substantial discrimination against boys in K-12 education for example, but feminists love to point to it as an example of boys being less competent than girls. Fighting against that discrimination would be a great strike against inequality but feminists think that it's a good thing that boys are disadvantaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:42 PM
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Nah, that sub bans discussing how boys are disadvantaged in the k-12 education system because it makes female k-12 teachers look bad when they're called out for discrimination. It's an anti-male sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:30 PM
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No. Men are there for their bros when they hit the bottom. Women aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:28 PM
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Nah, mothers shame male vulnerability because they don't want to be known for having a weak son. They will nurture female vulnerability so their daughters can grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:23 PM
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No, it's matriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:16 PM
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No. I've been there for guys in a rough patch too often - it's all his female "friends" who desert him while his male friends are there helping him out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:14 PM
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Psychologists have done work covering the phenomenon. Is that enough for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:12 PM
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No, it's left-wing feminists who are the most hostile towards male vulnerability, though traditionalists come in second.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:11 PM
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Nah, most women despise men who think that sex and female attention isn't their purpose in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:10 PM
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Why are you censoring "fucking"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:05 PM
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It's also oriented around women. Men with problems are often told their issues aren't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:03 PM
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Why would that be beneficial?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:01 PM
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Nah, not too many.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:58 PM
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Your experience and opinions can be invalid. In this case, they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 08:01 PM
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Not at all. It doesn’t seem to be the point of this sub lol. I’ve never experienced so much random hate towards women. There is not a massive amount of hate towards women on this sub - there is a massive amount of hate towards men. You view men demanding basic human respect as evil because of how unworthy they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:13 PM
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Many of the posts from men here can be reduced to “Why don’t women do what we want”, which is a child’s POV. Many of the posts from women here can be reduced to "Why doesn't he understand and accept he's worth less than a woman?" which is a morally bankrupt POV.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:12 PM
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Yes I'm sure you were quite relieved to find out you had a straightforward way to contribute value to their lives. No. We're just used to situations where we can't win because people are lying to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:26 PM
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Nah, we're very used to women saying they don't care about money but actually caring a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:21 PM
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How? It's not like I could have gotten the police involved, it wasn't illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:19 PM
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I mean you already said if I brought up evidence you'd disregard it as a "pickme" thing. Go figure Indon't think you're worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:14 PM
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If you're calling a psychologist does work with couples a "pick me chick" then there's no point in discussing this with you. You hate men to much to engage with this reasonably or empathetically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:48 PM
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Good thing that's not the topic. A guy could have a great social life or not; what we're talking about is approval from a woman's female peers of her dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:41 PM
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The point is that it's irrelevant to how "brave" you are. "I was aexually assaulted" is not an "I win" card in a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:38 PM
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Ok, so tentative, but it might also just be thst people who have good sexual function are more likely to be open enough to introduce toys into the bedroom. Interesting, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:36 PM
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Considering that women hating on men who show vulnerability is the norm, if you aren't seeing it it's either because your friend group is particularly enlughtened on this issue, you're consciously lying, or you're unconsciously biased. Work by psychologists such as Brené Brown bears out the fact thst most women shame and degrade men for being emotionally vulnerable, even as they demand men open up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:33 PM
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Feminists do not promote the notion that men are evil. Your only reasoning for that is that "feminism is good, ergo it could never promote a bad idea." Meanwhile I live in the real world where many feminists have massive antipathy towards boys and men and view them succeeding and being happy as acts of oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:29 PM
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I post studies when I make a claim. Nah, you avoid it, because then it creates statements that can be disproven, and you're usually being counterfactual. If you can’t post studies on the public board, you have nothing and the claims are baseless. Don’t DM me though, because I’ll post it. Every single time. There's no point DMing you since you don't argue in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:50 AM
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I've seen AskMen, and AskMen seems to not engage in the behavior you've seen. I don't post studies for you because you refuse to post studies of your own, I understand you argue in bad faith based on your misandry. I'm talking for other people's benefit; they might reply or DM me asking for the studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:26 AM
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The only times I have ever seen most women hate seeing men being vulnerable is when he's being petty or he's acting like a toddler I doubt that. It's more likely misandry blinds you to the times when women attack and shame vulnerable men, because it's the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:23 AM
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what is up with guys here constantly dating sociopathic primadonna bitches? If that's how you're describing women like this, it's because most women are like this. there’s no reason for you to always be around women who seem to always want to exploit your emotions. That's most women. The good women are out there... but they aren't on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:22 AM
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read literally any stoic philosopher and you’ll know stoicism doesn’t mean “bottle in your emotions and don’t express them” Nah, Epictetus was pretty shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:20 AM
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They give that advice because it happens. I don't think it happens; most hiring is biased towards women in the professional sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:14 AM
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That’s horrific and no, women don’t think that. Nah, they've done studies on how women victim-blame male rape victims very intensely. But men celebrate it and I don’t understand why you all aren’t better to one another. Only men who victim-blame male rape victims to any great degree are white knight feminist sociology students. “I wish my hot teacher would have fucked me” makes me want to vomit. And men clap one another on the back. You mean you've never heard this from a gal? Because I have. I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:14 AM
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Citation on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:08 AM
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Are we sure it's not that the US is doing it to itself to make sure it has enough young men with nothing to lose if war with China happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:04 AM
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I think the norm when women are asked this is they rage out and say "I AM THE TABLE!"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:03 AM
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/u/wtknight care to comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:02 AM
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If women are both “occasions to sin” from the moment breast buds appear around ages 8-11, and also entirely responsible for somehow controlling men’s behavior That's an "if" that doesn't have basis. Having women taking some responsibility for their sexuality would be great. There's a lot of women who think that women are allowed to rape men and men just need to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:59 AM
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Never a day passes where a guy doesn’t tell a woman that she’s lying. We get lied to a lot by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:45 AM
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and i don't know if its just me but i notice that this distaste for men is almost celebrated Yes, it is, including by users in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:15 PM
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That’s your opinion and doesn’t really reflect the data provided. No, it does. Even anecdotal evidence tells us otherwise. Right, which is completely tainted by decades of feminist "men are evil and women never beat their husbands" lies. But you can’t champion an issue by trying to pretend the other one doesn’t exist. I dunno, feminists have done it wrt male on female violence quite successfully. However, I'm not trying to deny that male on female violence doesn't happen - I'm just not intereste…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:13 PM
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Doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:11 PM
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In my experience, no. Boys are expected to do well in school and work a job ASAP. It's true that they're often expected to help out less inside the house, but I grew up in the country and basically every son was expected to help their dad upkeep the property.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:06 PM
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Those consequences are definitely there lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:53 PM
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But it isn’t a systemic issue happening at the rate that male violence does. Huh? Women commit more monodirectional IPV than men do. It's systemic for sure, but the study of domestic violence has been heavily tainted by misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:45 PM
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Only two? I've been sexually assaulted more than a dozen times, and sexually abused when I was a child. I think two sexual assaults are far under the average for people in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:34 PM
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Not what I said, but keep on arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:33 PM
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I don't think it's an age thing. There's just a meme that "men use women for their therapists" and so when women do it it's ignored. Younger women are also raised on a steady media diet of "men are trash" and so find the idea of helping a man repulsive, while at the same time demanding he help her with her emotionality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:32 PM
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In order for society to start working on men's issues we have to stop feminism from impeding that progress first. Regardless, there are efforts in that regard... it's just you'd rather hold on to the "men are evil" idea then face the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:11 PM
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Nah. I filed a complaint and she's still out there practicing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:09 PM
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It's working from the faulty premise that men are more likely to commit intimate partner violence, which we know is not true. I can't take something like that seriously if it's going to sweep female-on-male abuse under the rug.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:03 AM
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My point is you'd call it "benevolent sexism" if a nonattractive man did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:07 AM
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I just hoped /u/Safinated would reply at some point. But apparently she doesn't want to talk about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:11 AM
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If you can't even figure out the meaning of a word, hit the bricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:06 AM
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I don't. Don't think I've ever met a neurotic woman in my life actually Statistically speaking women are more neurotic than men. The hardships pf life and having kids kills that off pretty quickly. No, having kids tends to heighten it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:04 AM
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You don't know what "falsify" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:01 AM
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and in mens case, the over-reliance on women in their lives when it comes to regulating their emotions In my experience, women rely on their male partners for regulations of their emotions, especially their neuroses, far more. The issue is that women ask their male partners to open up emotionally and then shame and punish them when they do. That's toxic no matter how you slice it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:01 AM
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And this is a regular occurrence? I've had plenty of women say horrible things to me in DMs but it only happens every few months or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:54 AM
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Well, you haven't shown me any proof, so... I'd be more willing to believe it if I hadn't seen so many women falsify this kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:52 AM
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Like honestly I know so many married women who are neurotic wrecks who require their husband to constantly manage their mental state and reassure them, and they are unwilling to do the growing up required to mature past that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:51 AM
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Citation needed on that one. That's not my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:49 AM
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But strong women are allowed to shame men for crying?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:49 AM
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Every time this comes up the person always backtracks and says something like "Uh, it h-h-happened to a friend" like that somehow makes it ok. Just fake performative victimhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:31 AM
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It is not a woman's job, let alone a 20-something year old woman to raise a fucking grown-ass man! And it's not a man's job to be the adult leading the immature child in the relationship but like 80%+ of men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:30 AM
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No, the immature women are the ones complaining. I've met plenty of women who are walking disasters who complain that their male partner who basically rescued them from poverty is "immature." It's just them being insecure and having to attack men to cover up their own failings.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:29 AM
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Whereas if someone you don't find attractive does it, it's sexism. Yeah, we know how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:28 AM
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Women love being put on a pedestal - almost all women find benevolent sexism attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:27 AM
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"Not seen as a threat for being a woman" my inbox full of guys threatening to assault me for such reasons as not wanting kids Doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:25 AM
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Why would they be complaining? They've managed to be immature but still be supported by their partners and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:20 AM
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When I first went to therapy when I was 19 my female, feminist psychologist laughed at me and said I dirn't have real problems. I was depressed with undiagnosed ADHD. Therapy works much less well for men and boys because they're seen as failures for needing help.... BY MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:02 AM
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In general, boys socializing is seen as an unnecessary luxury, especially by moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:00 AM
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I don't know if I trust those statistics, but a big part of it is that our culture now is constantly telling guys their sexuality is evil and monstrous, and a lot of guys struggle with their sexuality or even their gender identity as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:58 AM
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It's not actually a good thing. Healthiest time to have kids is around 26 for women. It means we don't support young adults enough. The reason people are waiting to have kids is because our economy is fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:55 AM
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You would have no problem telling a man with standards you perceive to be inflated to lower them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:54 AM
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Nah, the Google team has been notified of IMD repeatedly and refuses to make a doodle; they think that men are unworthy compared to women. Feminists aren't a hive mind, but there are threads and commonalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:52 AM
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Sure. I still won't take anecdotes seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:25 PM
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That's projection. Men care a lot less about what other men think than you think. It's not like women who will betray their husband and kids if the sisterhood demands it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:49 PM
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Absent a study that shows that men care less about male victims of female-perpetrated sex crimes than women do, I'm not going to believe your anecdotes. I have seen studies that show that women have had progressively less and less sympathy for male rape victims since about 2010.b
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:45 PM
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Eh, in my experience there's just as many immature women in that age bracket, they just have a male partner who supports them so it's less obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:35 PM
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Ok. I mean Mary P. Koss is the ur-example.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:34 PM
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Nah, because workaholic men tend tonget divorced, because no matter how much financial support he's giving he's not giving his female partner emotional support/validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 09:24 PM
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Got a link to the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:53 PM
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Once you remove "need", you have more room for "want" - as in, both men and women are now free to only pursue relationships that they WANT to be, with people they genuinely just... like the company of. I don't view it as as absolute as that, and what's more, there seem to be forces in society and media telling women its wrong to want a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:38 PM
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When you mention this to these guys, they immediately suggest that career women are no good because they are demanding boss babes who won’t prioritize family. Right, for the same reason that women say that workaholic men are no good. This shouldn't come as a shock to you. And after talking to them for some time, it’s clear that what they really want is that traditional provider-housewife dynamic where they are the de facto leaders of the home and in charge of everything. That's because women con…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:37 PM
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Regardless of the women who do lord this over men, or how likely it is to happen, the above is what women feel. Some of them. I think a good amount of women who do this do it because it puts guys on the back foot. Make them apologize for existing and being scary, that way you can get more out of them and have more social control of the situation. It's a norm in our society, and those of us who don't abide by it are treated weirdly, despite actually being egalitarian. But you SHOULD want women to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:34 PM
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Still doesn't make sense, because a 5'5" guy who treated every 6'+ man the way women treated men would be ridiculed and shamed. It's about androphobia, not safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:32 PM
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The wage gap, toxic masculinity, the patriarchy, rape culture, and the concept that men are privileged in key areas of society are not ‘bashing men’. They are important discussions about society. No, they're bashing men. Start talking about how women enforce toxic masculine norms and men and things get real awkward real quick, because the point was always to blame men, and holding women accountable for emotionally abusing men is verboten. Also, the patriarchy isn't real. It doesn't model reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:29 PM
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if you celebrate IMD feminists are going to attack you and make your career difficult. There's a reason google has no doodle on Nov. 19th... it's to remind men that they are worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:26 PM
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Not only was the day likely not addressed by red pillers What do you mean "addressed"? What would that even look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:25 PM
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Diversity initiatives are enacted with the intent to counter in-group bias at the top I would disagree with that. They seem to be mostly about giving more resources to white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:23 PM
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Are they? I seem to see a lot of conservative women on board with that too. Why are men being blamed for what women do?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:22 PM
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Nah, making that argument for a racial group would not allow you to call out racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:21 PM
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No, but this sub is. The mods are interested in preventing conclusions from being drawn and keeping people arguing. They keep bad-faith posters in here even if they break the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:15 PM
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I don't think that last one is right. That's just guys wanting a female partner who has similar interests. Regardless, men are less interested in following society's strictures than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:13 PM
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Doesn’t that seem somehow… desperate for the social approval of others? More men buck against it than women buck against their own social strictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:12 PM
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It’s not so that we can parade our man around. Doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:11 PM
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Right, because you lack courage - you have a dire need to be accepted by the sisterhood/society. As opposed to men who can love in spite of that, if their partner is good. Isn't true about everyone, but men are braver in love than women are, and with women oftentimes you're dating her and her friend group. Tell a man his girlfriend is ugly, you're likely getting punched. Tell a woman her husband is ugly/a loser, she's likely going to go home and yell at him for not providing her the social cache…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:10 PM
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We complain about men being immature because we waited for them to mature all through our 20's and 30's, and now we're in our 40's+ and they're acting like little boys Huh? This doesn't even make any sense. How mature are you, honestly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:07 PM
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If the average man dressed right and so on he'd outclass the average woman; men are on average less overweight, etc. And then you've got personality... can't speak for society as a whole by in my experience there's a lot of women whose hobbies start and end at Netflix. What it comes down to is the constant degradation of men in society and media, so men "feel" less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:06 PM
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I’m pretty sure that’s another one of those industries that millennials have killed. No, it's not, they just get them on kindle now. You say that women defend other women, yet every time I see a post about a female teacher getting busted for having an inappropriate relationship with their male student, the vast majority of women who comment are calling it rape. I see the opposite, I see women mad that it's called rape because women shouldn't be held accountable for sex crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:02 PM
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I'm assuming it's because they haven't had to worry about a girls protection or making her feel safe around themselves yet. If a woman constantly "needed to feel safe" around me she's just being bigoted. If I "needed to feel safe" around black people you'd call me a bigot. Women who behave like this do it because it allows them to shame and degrade men, and many of them enjoy the social power it brings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:01 PM
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It sucks and feels unfair, but women do have a legitimate physical disadvantage against men so you can't really blame them for being biased in this way. Yes I can. If I treated a male associate who was a D1 athlete, who had a similar physical advantage over me as I do over the average woman, this same way, people would call me an asshole. Hell, a 6'+ woman can treat a 5'5" man like he's dangerous and nobody bays an eye. It's about androphobia, not safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:00 PM
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It's the doctrine of feminist academics, it isn't the doctrine on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 07:56 PM
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Eh, a friend of mine had his girlfriend stalk him, key his car, and poison his dog. They will still do fucked up things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 07:56 PM
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What, am I not allowed to hate people now?? Hating people for the qualities they're born with makes you a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:47 PM
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You need a citation that universal healthcare increases access to mental health services? No, that the users on that sub are overwhelmingly against universal health care. Until it comes time to vote for a left wing woman, then they stay home (if they were ever going to vote in the first place) or else vote third party. More Hillary Clinton voters switched to McCain instead of Obama during that election. More people are willing to vote for a left-wing woman (though Hillary Clinton is really cente…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:57 AM
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Thanks for being a bigot!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:48 AM
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Whereas if a woman cries after she cums, men are expected to deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 04:27 AM
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Nah, it's not about a lack of hygiene. It's about androphobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 04:26 AM
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I’d never heard of her. Cool, she was a federal policy advisor on this topic so very core to the feminist movement. Also, many people on this site support her - the head of the stoprape sub, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:45 AM
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What situation? Because I was sexually abused by an older girl when I was 7, and I had to deal with everyone treating me like a predator for accusing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:27 AM
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Mary P. Koss says that male victims of rape are not real victims the way female victims are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:25 AM
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No you're not. If you were here to engage you would have brought up a study that supported your claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:24 AM
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They complain and rail against men's mental health crisis, but very few support universal healthcare which would greatly increase men's access to men's mental health services. Citation needed on that one. You assume people on that sub are conservative - especially historically, MRA typea on the left often have left-wing ideals, but commit the sin of assuming they are morally equal to a woman, instead of inferior, and this makes them unwelcome in feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:24 AM
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I do feel like more women than men are truly sympathetic to the younger person though. Only if that younger person is female. That in-group bias is strong; if the perpetrator is female and the victim male, women are more likely to identify with and support the perpetrator. When I hear men complain about the situation, it's more out of principle that they want a woman offender to take the same blame as a man would. It's because those of us who are victims of childhood sexual abuse are familiar wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:19 AM
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It's a pointless argument, because it's not any more true than for women. It doesn't support any meaningful point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:18 PM
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Young men can't get it up anymore for a real girl in their bed because they've conditioned their dick and their brain to be turned on by pixels on a screen. Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:07 PM
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It’s a lot more frequent with men. No, women support Mary P. Koss, despite (or possibly because of, honestly) her disregard for male rape victims. It's just women don't make posts on social media about it. Feminist subs on this site ban criticism of her because they don't want to cop to the fact that they think men are lesser human beings who don't deserve regard or respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:03 PM
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Mary P. Koss is a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:02 PM
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Bluntly, I know that's not true, and you're just looking for an excuse to avoid having empathy for men, where you would have empathy for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:55 PM
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Another example of women telling on themselves is how they don't consider male victims of rape real victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:54 PM
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And I see women do this kind of thing too. It's a problem with society, not with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:54 PM
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It's just the truth. Particularly feminist women - they think that male rape victims should blame themselves and other men, even when the crime is perpetrated by women, but female rape victims deserve care.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:44 PM
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A lying bigot doesn't have any meaningful clarifications they can make.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:43 PM
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You see it that way because they're told they can never blame women for their problem - even when women abuse them, deny them access to their children, etc. The sub is a reaction to "men are such unworthy beings that even when they are victimized by women they have to blame themselves, not the woman who did it." And that viewpoint I just described is very common among feminists and traditionalists both.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:42 PM
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I don't. It's bigotry. And it's enabled by our media which heightens womens' neuroticism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 07:23 PM
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That's Trey and Matt's opinion. If you think South Park is real get your head checked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:21 PM
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Of course, the classic "they're not REAL men's rights advocates." If we treat people on a sub as representative of the movement than feminism is undoubtedly based around man-hating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:20 PM
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You're not saying anything coherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:19 PM
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No, women do it too. The head mod on stoprape is a woman and is the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:19 PM
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And women are shouting down anyone who calls a female rapist a rapist, because they think it's wrong to hold women guilty for that crime, even if she commits it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:19 PM
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In my experience, so are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:18 PM
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Nah, women make fun of male victims of rape constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:16 PM
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Women defend this behavior too; feminist academics are generally uncomfortable with labeling a woman a rapist for raping men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:16 PM
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cite anything you have claimed. When did Mary Koss say those words exactly? She’s done a lot of good for the overwhelming majority of rape and DV victims, women. as a feminist (not an intersectional one) she fought for women first and foremost. feminist also fought for men to be included in the definition of rape to include men: Some feminists did, but Mary Koss didn't. In fact she thinks that rape against men by women doesn't count. It's worth noting that Koss is the most mainstream feminist on…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:15 PM
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Nah, the head mod of the stoprape subreddit, who is a woman, is very much like this too. And then you've got Mary Koss.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:09 PM
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It’s parents job to give advice. And kids compare it to the real world that they inhabit and realize it’s full of shit, and super lame and uncool to boot. No, a lot of times kids are misinformed by their parents and it fucks up their view of the world. Or do you just tell every gal who has hangups about sex due to her mother or father shaming her for her sexuality that she should have compared her parents' warnings to the real world and ignored them? You don't, because you think that it's possib…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:07 PM
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Mothers give their sons advice on dating. And oftentimes it's active misinformation, to prevent their son from having a non-idealized view of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:38 AM
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that’s the exact opposite of what intersectional feminism is in fact it was initially made to call out the disparity amongst WOC in feminist spaces. you don’t have a good understanding of the activism you oppose. you’re calling the literal definition “BS”. If that's its origin, it's strayed very far from that. okay and the majority were made by men including the sexualization of women and catered to young boys. i went to a comic book store as a little girl and i was asked if i was looking for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:30 PM
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Irrelevant to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:22 PM
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What discrimination in education? Boys are graded more poorly for the same work and punished more harshly for the same behavioral infractions compared to girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:21 PM
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On your last point, I don’t believe that mothers on average are worse to their sons than their daughters. I think they are and the evidence is there. Unfortunately the bias is the reverse - many mothers say they treat their sons better than their daughters, but when you look at their behavior they don't. So it's an intense bias - boys are being discriminated against, but their mothers think they're giving them special treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:18 PM
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no intersectional feminist is supporting classism or racism… Bullshit. The whole point of intersectional feminism is to redirect attention away from causes like discrimination against black people to white women. More for white women and less for everyone else. male AND female superheroes were made by men and catered to young boys only. Female comic characters have been made for female audiences since the 30's. it is highly unrealistic for both young boys and young girls but only young girls wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:14 AM
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You're definitely getting one side of the story there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:59 AM
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No, they do, because bigoted teachers are doing their best to keep them out, especially nonwhite and poor boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:54 AM
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I think it's misandrists who look at women being less successful than men in the job market despite women experiencing significant unearned advantages in education and incorrectly assuming discrimination is keeping them back.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:53 AM
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Let's talk about today, though, were women have preferential access to education and hiring in many sectors.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:36 AM
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no one is fighting to shut down male DV centers. they usually close due to lack of men reaching out leading to lack of funding. they must reach a quota of dependents in order to maintain funding, as with female DV centers. men don’t reach out due to shame and embarrassment instilled in them by patriarchal concepts or women being too weak to abuse, crying and being vulnerable is weakness, needing help is weakness, etc Citation needed on all of that. And I'm sure it has nothing to do with feminist…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:32 AM
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you’ve pointed out issues of classism and racism in which intersectional feminists also fight against. No, they generally support classism and racism despite their supposed ideological bent, as long as it does good thing for white women. patriarchy is the people who uphold its fault Nah, this always morphs depending on the situation. It's a system "set up by men for the benefit of men," then it's "women enforce patriarchy too," whatever at the time can be used to justify giving more resources an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:28 AM
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Any call to help men is going to be called out as misogynist by feminists, no matter how genuine, unless it can be turned around on men by saying it's a problem that men are collectively guilty of and need to fix.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/23 02:11 AM
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The problem is that mothers do their best to stamp out this knowledge in their sons and prevent older men from teaching their sons this. They show allegiance to the sisterhood by raising victims for them to exploit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 02:06 AM
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Huh? Generally what men are experiencing is going to be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 02:02 AM
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So feminists fight for reproductive rights, maternity/paternity leave, an end to gender based violence, funding for domestic violence shelters, an end to patriarchal concepts that conditions men to ignore their mental health problems and lack emotional intelligence and MRAs fight…feminists? Feminists are generally against shared custody (NOW has advocated against it, feminists don't like the idea), feminists don't care about male-victim DV, especially when it's committed by women, and fight to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 01:50 AM
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What do MRAs even fight for? Most of their real issues are a symptom of the patriarchy that impacts men negatively too. Male feminists realize this and seek to dismantle the patriarchy. It's not the patriarchy that says "men and boys are worth less than men and women." It's not the patriarchy that discriminates against boys, especially nonwhite and poor boys, in K-12 education. Calling it the patriarchy means it's men's fault, collectively, as that's what feminists generally mean by patriarchy. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 01:47 AM
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Agreeableness yes, but compassion, no. It just means women are less honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 01:45 AM
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I'm not that guy, but what we need to start doing is organizing against the discrimination in education; I think that's where a lot of the problems start. Women who discriminate against boys, especially poor or nonwhite boys, need to be fired and shamed. We also need to normalize shaming parents (especially mothers) who emotionally neglect their sons compared to their daughters; emphasize that this makes them rotten perversions of motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 01:44 AM
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Most women insist on being treated as if they're more morally worthy than men (i.e. benevolent sexism). Blaming men for this without going after women is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:07 PM
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Whatever, making social regulations is part of human nature and therefore "natural."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:21 PM
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You think attractive women would be voluntarily having sex with hideous men if not for wealth? I think there are other reasons people end up having sex. Your viewpoint is basically the one that people who see men as being inherently worthless have - if a woman is having sex with a man you think is less attractive than her, you think it must be due to his money. Maybe their personalities are very compatible, he's great in bed, etc. There's a reciprocal viewpoint that a lot of guys on this sub hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:17 PM
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But that's GENUINE kindness. And you circularly define genuine kindness to not be what romantically unsuccessful men do. No surprise there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:36 PM
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How are laws and religions "unnatural"? They're emergent behavior of humans. Naturalist fallacy right there I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:34 PM
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You do know that asexuality is a variant of normal, right? Nothing wrong with their hormones. There could be, though. Diminished libido is a side effect of certain hormone imbalances - that's why I said "probably not healthy."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:33 PM
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If she's always been that way, and it doesn't bother her, I don't see why she'd need to see a doctor about it. Could be a sign of underlying issues, hormone imbalance, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:24 PM
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Get your hormones checked, that's not normal and probably not healthy. Regardless, until you get your situation resolved, it's selfish and immoral of you to date men who aren't asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:47 PM
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It used to be, that's changed a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:44 PM
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However, I posit that women are human beings, which means there are also plenty of shitty women too. You're right, but the problem is if guys mention that there are plenty of shitty women they're told they're wrong and misogynist. If our culture stopped putting women on a moral pedestal (and this comes from both the traditionalist right and feminist left) then we'd all be better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:42 PM
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Right, it's not literally about chastity, it's just people emulating Victoria.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:06 AM
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An accusation of bigotry from a misogynist Lmao you think I'm a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:28 PM
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A cross section of academics and people on the street. Do you want names?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:15 AM
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Thank you for proving that you're never willing to blame women; when a woman abuses a man, you think it's the man's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:01 AM
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A man who is unwilling to fix his mommy issues is pathetic. What is a woman who does this to her sons?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:48 AM
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For instance if there is a mixed group of people where no one is looking for a partner, the women are the ones starting the conversations and keeping them up. Citation needed. Men are much more passive. Men are more introverted, because their mothers give them less emotional care than they do daughters. But after they get the woman, they become passive again. Whereas most women are passive the whole time, because they view themselves as "higher" than their male partner and he has to earn the rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:46 AM
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The idea that men and boys succeeding in life is an act of oppression, and the right thing to do is "lean out" while women and girls "lean in."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:45 AM
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When someone is already yelling at you, you SHOULDN’T yell back. Even if it’s a man. Right, and definitely don't hold the woman who's yelling responsible for her actions. Let's get back to the premise - which is that women are punished less for yelling and being belligerent then men are, and men are often punished just for enforcing boundaries against the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:43 AM
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Clearly you have no frame of reference for the male perspective. Good job claiming that men are morally inferior to women, it just shows your bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:34 AM
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Here's a study on the topic. Interestingly, many surveyed mothers say they treat their sons better than their daughters and feel bad about it... so they're typically extremely biased against their sons and think they deserve worse. So men not giving a shit about men is....women’s fault?! Mothers typically socialize their sons into all of those toxically masculine behaviors people complain about, so yeah, it is, partially.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:33 AM
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Aight, well my comments are pretty on point about the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:38 AM
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Do you know why MADD was founded? Because on the East Coast, where states are smaller and closer together, 18-21 year olds were driving to other states where they could drink, getting drunk, then driving home wasted. The woman who founded MADD correctly guessed that raising the drinking age to 21 to match some states would be easier than lowering it. It's about the ages being the same. Making the drinking age 18 would have been fine too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:36 AM
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I didn’t go to school in the US, but boys grabbing girls butts and breasts were a daily occurrence where nobody got in trouble. We were told to just “ignore them” cause boys will be boys. Where'd you go to school?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:32 AM
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You're missing the context - it's when that person is already yelling at you. As a teenager, I learned that in a verbal debate, if I even slightly raise my voice as a male, in response to a girl screaming at me, I lose in the court of public opinion. in response to a girl screaming at me
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:14 AM
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Completely disagree, besides traditional women it’s mainly men reinforcing gender roles in this day and age. How else do you explain so many men taking the RP? Otherwise liberal women are oftentimes extremely traditional when it comes to gender roles. They want men to be liberal, in touch with their emotions, not hypermasculine... except for their partner, who they want to be stoic, wealthy, tall, etc. Feminism is against imposed gender roles and fighting for women, it’s not actively taking men’…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:12 AM
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Here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:08 AM
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Living up to that flair I see. If we make porn illegal we need to make romcoms illegal. Fair's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:07 AM
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"Lean out" feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:27 PM
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You said that feminism was the movement to end the oppression on a particular social group. My point is that feminism is currently often framed as being against the oppression of any disadvantaged group.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:26 PM
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Nope. Men are hated much worse - and we know from research in schools that boys are punished more harshly than girls for doing the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:24 PM
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Most kids go to public school.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:23 PM
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The vast majority of relationships improve the mental health of the people in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:21 PM
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No. Men "do" romance, women receive it. It's not reciprocated by women. Most women's greatest problem is caring too much about the well-being of the men in our lives. Yup, because women already care less about the men in their life than the women... but that's not enough! We need at least a 30% increase in male suicide before things are fair! Unfortunately, we are the gender with empathy and it's a curse. Wrong. Women's in-group bias means men feel more empathy for women than the reverse. Most w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:19 PM
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I mentioned the poster in question, and there's others. Happy to link it to you if you know how to use reveddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:16 PM
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Thats not women’s fault that men have out group bias. It's not women's fault, collectively, but it is the fault of the mothers who raise their boys with less care than their daughters (i.e. most). You’re admitting you didn't read my post. I did, I just don't think it's in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:15 PM
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To clarify, the viewpoint is "IF women choose not to date or sleep with a guy, THEN he is morally unworthy." I agree that people's moral value is not dependent on their attractiveness to the opposite sex. Unfortunately that's not the mainstream view, at least on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:14 PM
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The unrealistic gender expectations are oftentimes enforced by women, so rebelling against them is cast as misogyny. Like any dating preference guys have on this sub. Feminism is literally fighting for the unfair lawa against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:11 PM
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No, heard it multiple times while working at a coffee shop and when I used to live next to a beach and could overhear conversations from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:08 PM
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Feminism pushes for men to only be thanked for things that actually deserve thanks just like women No, it goes further than that. For example, women succeeding in their careers are to be celebrated, men succeeding in their careers are met with apathy or treated like oppressors, even if they had to struggle against discrimination. The message is clear to men: you are walking abortions, unneeded, the world would be better without you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:41 PM
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What the hell? Are you people sure you went to accredited schools? What is this nonsense? Yup. California public schools. Nobody wants to punish a girl for SA; the court of public opinion would ruin them. Society at large, especially the female-centered world of education, thinks that boys should just suck this up. Was that not the case for yall? No, it was a small elementary school, probably 150 students, one classroom for each grade. However, the casual degradation of boys' bodies is the norm …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:39 PM
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So... you and your friends had a pre-existing prank you liked to pull on one another, so you tried to pull that same prank on someone who DIDN'T KNOW about the prank, and wasn't in on the joke, and presumably GOT HURT by your prank... No, because even if they did it to a boy who wasn't in on it, the school staff wouldn't have cared - only if it happened to a girl. Let's be clear here. They think boys bodies and personhood doesn't deserve respect, whereas girls are precious. This is a common atti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:37 PM
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What about one where girls weren't allowed to casually treat boys like shit? When I was about 10 years old, a girl at our elementary school was running around kicking boys in the balls. No punishment. Just "use your words" against literal sexual assault. Boys are told that their bodies are trash, and not worth defending, by the adults around them growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:31 PM
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Since when has any other movement to end the oppression of a particular social group Feminism's goal is to "end patriarchy," which oppresses everyone, I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:29 PM
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Nobody says any white men dating Asian women has a submissive fetish Oh fuck yeah they do You probably do not and have not engaged with any serious recent feminist texts, do not know the different subcultures of feminism or schools of thoughts. Or the issues they primary focus on. The number issue I see feminist organization focus on is reproductive care not men’s dating habits as you suggested. When it comes to sexuality, feminism is not sex-positive about male sexuality. Only about female sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:26 PM
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And if we supposedly don’t care about men, why don’t you guys get together and work on your issues? Because that's misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:24 PM
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feminism is not there to address the problem that you're talking about But it, as a movement, attacks anyone trying to address it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:24 PM
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They don't look for men like that because they've seen how men are both in their own relationships and those relationships of other couples they get to witness. No, it's because they don't want a man who manages the house, they want a man who makes more money than them. Men don't even do it a bit for housemates when they share houses Speak for yourself. whereas most women do a little bit of it even then. Nah, bachelorette pads are often filthy. Women become clean when they partner up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:23 PM
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What's the point of this saying? That progressive women have no libido a la Ben Shapiro's wife's famously dry vagina?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:20 PM
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Believing in equality for oppressed and marginalized groups on a systemic level doesn’t require you forego romantic gestures in your everyday life with your partner. Funny how those romantic gestures only go one way...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:18 PM
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The white wedding dress represented chastity Did it? I don't know if that's actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:18 PM
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I definitely remember overhearing a lot of conversations from women about "I'm a feminist, but I'm over splitting the bill for dating. Men need to show they value my time."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:17 PM
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Ignoring their male partner and browsing their phone lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:12 PM
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They don't provide only sex. The only people who think anyone provides only sex is really only interested in having sex with that person. Nah, I had a gf who thought like this. It was a lot of feminist ideas in her head that "all men want is sex" combined with "socializing with men is icky and they don't deserve it." It was not a fun relationship, but I see this behavior fairly commonly among young white feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:11 PM
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This is a YOU problem. Most women have a lot more to offer than just their bodies. They do, but they don't offer it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:55 PM
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Modern women who refuse to provide anything but sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:55 PM
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The part you're missing is that this comes after a female partner shames a man for doing things in a way she doesn't like, calls his illness "man flu," etc. Many women demand the final say in a relationship on how the household is run, but expect the man to take equal or greater responsibility for what needs to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:55 PM
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They're in a bind because mostly they refuse to take the supportive subservient role to a better performing woman in a household for long enough in the day to be actually useful to her. Women aren't looking for men like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:53 PM
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No, it's men show up here, realize there are women who think they are disgusting for breathing and just existing, take a sober look at how much women actually gaf about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:51 PM
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false premise, modern women provide love and support to men in their lives and romantic partners all the time I disagree. That would be "unfair emotional labor."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:50 PM
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Great! Doesn't apply to the circumstance OP described.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:49 PM
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The reason women beating men in a hierarchy is a problem is that women are less gracious winners and losers, on average. They've done studies on it in martial arts - women are more likely to hold a grudge against an opponent, refuse a handshake, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:46 PM
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The problem is that women who bring in more money tend not to respect their male partners. If she does though, and she's cool with the arrangement, great!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:41 PM
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Yes and no. Men typically have more empathy for women than the reverse - but it's not wrong for men to ask for more empathy. I think you are denying that men deserve empathy because then you'd have to confront the idea that your outlook on men is morally bankrupt.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:39 PM
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You dont need to solve Every problem and have some perfect life but have your crap together. You're right, but there are people here who disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:36 PM
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You know why they aren't talking about it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:35 PM
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From what we know he said that if she wasn't willing to change he was going to break up with her because he couldn't handle it. That's the mature thing to do if you aren't comfortable with that stuff going on. Women-aligned online chatter aligned with her, though, even though what she was doing amounted to revenge porn, the same way a lot of people online still support Amber Heard - female abusers are worthy of support, and male victims are worthy of scorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:25 PM
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The issue is that the vast majority of relationships are "positive" by the definition you're using. If your mental health is bad, you will likely feel better if you start dating someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:21 PM
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As an adult, especially, people usually don’t make it a practice to even talk about virginity or their number of sex partners. More generally, people treat men who are romantically unsuccessful like shit. They ostracize them, think there's something morally wrong with them, etc. The less sex a man is having, the more he's treated like his presence is a burden. Women are also shamed for being sluts/hoes/ran-through all the time. Yup, though it's generally only considered to be a problem when it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:27 AM
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No, but it really helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:24 AM
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What do you think the answer is? You seem quite sure. Have information to back up your viewpoint?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:24 AM
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Stop lying and wasting my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:23 AM
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It's also dangerous to tell people that they need to fix all their problems before they are worthy of being in a relationship, which is the viewpoint I'm criticizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:22 AM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X16300252?via%3Dihub
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:21 AM
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Not all sexually unsuccessful men are bad people, that's a ridiculous take.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:20 AM
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Sure, in my experience women are much less likely to do that for men who are in trouble than their male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:19 AM
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I dunno, what do they say? You seem to be acting like you know the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:19 AM
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I'm implying they're less likely to than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:18 AM
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We need to be careful about inadvertently implying that everyone should invest into any relationship opportunity that comes along bc it will automatically improve anyone's mental health issues. Nobody's implying that. For my part, I'm fighting back against the idea that men need to solve all their problems before they're worthy of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:17 AM
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Go look on the threads in this sub about what women think of guys who are still virgins in their 20's.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:16 AM
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They've done this study - being in a relationship causes good mental health more than having good mental health causes relationship success.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:16 AM
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Your house is never really sorted, mentally, until you invite someone in. This study's been done - being in a relstionship causes good mental health more than having good mental health causes relationship success.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:15 AM
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Take another read at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:14 AM
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Sure. But it still means that men (and women) with poor mental health could benefit by finding the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:14 AM
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No, that's not the Jonah Hill situation, but you're misrepresenting it because tou have to villainize men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:12 AM
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Much more rarely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:11 AM
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Sure but if you're constantly surrounded by discourse that men who are virginal are walking abortions, it's going to stress you out if you are one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:10 AM
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Well, there are definitely partial solutions. Stop virgin-shaming boys and men and evaluating their worth by how much female attention they get, for example. Stop modeling misandry to girls in k-12 education by treating boys like second-class students.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:59 PM
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Statistically speaking, it helps a lot. Being in a relationship improves your mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:57 PM
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Yeah I can have it both ways. I'm right, they're wrong. I don't believe them, I just recognize the real threat to my well-being that mainstream belief in the idea that men deserve to be treated worse than women causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:48 PM
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I've seen it be both, but you're right that it's often misandry and mislabeled as misogyny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 11:44 PM
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No, it's just true. You can't raise boys in an emotionally deprived environment and then get mad at them when they're adults for how they turned out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:14 PM
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Could you elaborate on what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:14 PM
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Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:09 PM
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In most cases you're right. Hence why it's good to normalize it - hurts women less, less chance of men being taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:09 PM
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Bit of column A, bit of column B.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:27 PM
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You know you can't really receive empathy Uh, yeah you can. Semantics. You say a lot of negative things about women here. Why should people you are actively insulting show you sympathy? I say some negative things about women here, but that's because women aren't perfect. I think you perceive me saying a lot of negative things about women that are actually very fair because you're high on chivalry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:16 PM
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You provided us enough information to find it, I was just wondering why you didn't from the getgo. Just asking about your methodology.
/r/MensRights11/11/23 07:14 PM
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No, you're working from circular logic to say that all men who are romantically unsuccessful are bad people, because you don't want to feel empathy for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:10 PM
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If you are not sure whether she has been loyal to you, there is some problem in your relationship. If you are convinced she's loyal to you and she's not, there is also a problem in your relationship. Regardless, paternity testing is super easy to do with a cheek swab and a DNA fingerprinting analysis. With a bit of training someone could do it in their garage. It's going to become harder and harder for duplicitious women to keep this secret going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:09 PM
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Yeah, I’m not seeing that at all. There's a prolific poster on here who says she finds men breathing near her disgusting/aggravating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:06 PM
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I have read statistics that show that domestic violence incidents do increase on Super Bowl weekend. So, that’s actually true. What statistics? This is one of those fairy tale lies that's been repeated often enough that people think it's true. And I don’t think most women think that’s the case, either. I don't think the people who say this believe it, exactly, but the point is to shame and attack men using whatever means necessary because they despise us.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:02 PM
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But men who aren't lonely also don't care about male loneliness. Men are more likely to care. I definitely care for my male friends - I've been there after they've been cheated on, abandoned, abused, etc. Generally I find that women treat men who are abuse victims like lepers and don't like helping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:01 PM
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I've seen it many times. The most fucked up time was when it was appended to "Indian" like someone saying thst Indian guys are all disgusting incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:39 AM
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My point is that there are a good amount of women on this sub who believe men should be treated like we're subhuman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:32 AM
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Why didn't you link the tweet?
/r/MensRights11/11/23 09:26 AM
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And you need it from the people around you to develop healthily. A lot of men never got that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:22 AM
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Respectfully, you’re not a woman - how can you tell me how women feel about this issue if you aren’t one and don’t experience it from a female perspective? Because I observe women egging each other on to hate men and treat their male partners poorly constantly. There are women on this sub who ridicule me for having empathy for myself, and I'm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:17 AM
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It's required to have a fulfilling relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:15 AM
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No you don't. That's unrestrained neurosis. Edit: and they blocked me, go figure. Couldn't stand being called on their fairy tales.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:04 AM
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It’s common sense women have to worry more than men in public. Common sense is often factually incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:04 AM
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No, it's that men learn from a young age that if they act neurotic nobody will respect them. Men are more likely to be subjected to random violence than women. EDIT: And they blocked me, because their argument couldn't stabd up to facts. Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:03 AM
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Men are less safe in their daily lives than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:02 AM
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The reason why women are hesitant to give empathy isn’t because of the actual problem at hand; understanding it is perfectly fine and most women do. It’s because many men end up hateful and vitriolic and blame women for the way mate selection works. No, it's because they'll be ridiculed by their female peers for treating men with empathy and human respect. Dating is hard for men, and I feel for that. I just don’t know what women can offer other than compassion that will make any part of this eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:58 AM
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It's not that men are completely hopeless, it's that man rightly find the idea that they need to accept never receiving empathy while being expected to serve it to others as absolutely soulless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:57 AM
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It's a societal problem because society is producing a lot of men like this. You can't bootstrap your way out of other people not having empathy for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:56 AM
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Alot of these complaints feel pretty 'exception to the rule' though. The norm is, women shames stereotypically male interests as immoral and shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:58 AM
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Good for you. It's not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:57 AM
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Once a woman commits to a man, however, I believe she invests a lot of time in that commitment. Nah. Men are still on thin ice the whole way through.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:57 AM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:57 AM
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Depends on why. If women won't date a guy because he's a race they are racist against, for example... Being unable to find romantic success is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:56 AM
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Well, there was a thread on menslib just recently that suggested that. But it's pretty common - "domestic abuse goes up during the superbowl" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:54 AM
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No, even if they improve themselves they're going to get called incels. The point is to hate on sexually unsuccessful men while avoiding being called out for being a bully.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:53 AM
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I've heard a lot of men who are clearly not misogynist called incels. In fact, I've heard a lot of men called not incels because they practice benevolent sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:52 AM
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So mentioning that some men have problem in dating because some women are racist isn't allowed?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:51 AM
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In other words, you don't have sympathy for people who have their problems inflicted on them by others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:54 PM
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Well she was a feminist academic in my social circle, not widely known to the public. I think there's a culture of "if men and boys do it, it's evil" that is more prevalent than you want to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:48 PM
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Yup. Tabletop gaming, video gaming, sports, you name it - all misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:46 PM
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If you live near coastal urban centers you'll meet guys who are anti-"sportsball" and think that enjoying sports is for troglodytes. There was a thread on menslib just recently about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:45 PM
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Most women don't feel visceral disgust at the presence of men and boys. If you can imagine that, think about how it might change things...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:41 PM
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No, it's used to virgin-shame men. That's the main purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:34 PM
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Why is it used to describe people who aren't self-proclaimed incels, and used to virgin-shame men then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:33 PM
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No, a lot of women think men who are virgins are disgusting/unworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:32 PM
2

I've been called an incel even though I don't call myself that and I am not sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:28 PM
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But they might not. They get called incels regardless, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:27 PM
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Yes. It's used as a cover - people want to shame male virgins just because they're virgins, but they want a moral veneer over it to make themselves not bullies. So they make up stuff about the guy's behavior to call him an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:24 PM
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The whole "stop indulging in porn sports and video games" trope is in response to an explicit or implicit demand of female attention and affection No, there's a lot if "men who like sports are evil wife beaters" discourse too. Liking things that (most) women don't like is framed as violent misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:07 PM
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I 100% have - in particular by a feminist academic whocalled them "manchildren" and who castigated men for having the "luxury" of not caring about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:06 PM
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I think if people had empathy a lot of the complaints would disappear. The issue is people are saying "if you have a problem, you deserve it" to young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:38 AM
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No, it isn't since no one is going around bullying sexually unsuccessful men....for any reason. Disagree. It's a favorite kind of person to bully, for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:38 AM
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I wouldn't call it "random" when it's bullying, in that sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:17 AM
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Ok! You're in the vast minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:17 AM
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When the term "incel" is used, it's primarily as I described.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:02 AM
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Irrelevant to my point. Nobody called me a virgin either, or a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:50 AM
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That is how the majority of healthy committed adult relationships are. No one is leaving you for planning one bad date or having one bad haircut in a committed relationship. No, it's usually more one-sided than that - the male partner is on much thinner ice, and the female partner views him as disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:44 AM
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It's an ideology, it's nihilism, it's a defeatist attitude. The "defeatist attitude" is just you furious that men are asking for empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:34 AM
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The word “incel” no longer simply means “involuntarily celibate” the same way that Karen is no longer just a name for a woman. No, it still does. It's primarily used to shame sexually unsuccessful men, but people pretend it has the component you described because they want to be able to bully sexually unsuccessful men who are perfectly good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:33 AM
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Being an incel has nothing to do with being a virgin and everything to do with the hate they spread. It's overwhelmingly used to shame virginal or sexually unsuccessful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:32 AM
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No, if a woman commits to a man, she is giving that up. If he fucking kidnaps her, then you'd have a leg to stand on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 08:25 PM
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No, women lose youth and attractiveness due to time and blame their male partner because it's the easy way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 08:24 PM
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It's not traditional-minded women; it's heightened in "progressive" women who think men are the enemy/subhuman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 08:22 PM
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No, women are valued for "who they are" and men are valued for what they provide. Any moral person sees the unfairness there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 08:19 PM
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comparing men with their tops off for ten seconds to pander to male power fantasies No, it's definitely to pander to female attraction, and decrying it as a "male power fantasy" to avoid having to give a shit or have women take responsibility is unfortunately expected. The number of women going ga-ga for shirtless Hugh Jackman was pretty high, at least near me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:20 PM
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Why would I want to engage with a movement that thinks I'm a second-class human being for being born male?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:18 PM
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I'm not sure what that complaint is supposed to refer to Dehydrated men on PEDs in movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:50 AM
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Haven't seen it, and have seen a lot of jeering at men who think they are precious enough to deserve the same body-positivity as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:49 AM
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So you think it's not about right and wrong, but just about power?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:49 AM
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The overall issue is that whenever the topic of sexual assault is mentioned in this sub, a bunch of guys will come through with, “but what about the false allegations?” It’s almost like the 90+% of people who are assaulted and raped don’t matter. Well here you are in a thread posted by a guy who is complaining about how men are unfairly demonized, and you're saying "Eh, the 10% of men who are falsely accused of sex crimes are acceptable casualties to me." It goes hand-in-hand with certain men he…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:46 AM
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We must live on a different planet if you think history shows women were cared for more. Women have been less often the victim of violence pretty much throughout history. So you have no stats. For the UK, it's 91% for middle-aged men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:23 AM
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Very common on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 09:16 PM
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The point was to emulate the behavior directed at men when they say that they are punished socially for being emotionally vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 07:28 PM
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Yeah, no. False rape allegations are extremely rare, as the evidence suggests. 10% isn't extremely rare. Rape is one of the most underreported crimes there is. In certain scenarios, women are afraid to come forward because they are still judged for being in certain places or wearing certain clothes. As if that justifies their rapes. Irrelevant to the issue of false allegations. The second time I was sexually assaulted, I was at a bar. I’d only had two drinks, which was literally nothing to me. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:35 PM
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No, causation isn't established there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:29 PM
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For decades, decades and decades society only cared about men. Wrong, people always had more sympathy and care for the average woman than the average man. You have stats that mental health professionals turn down men that seek help? Sometimes, they also fail to help men who come to them - the majority of men who commit suicide try to get help, for example, like 70%.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:25 PM
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I'm not sure of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:24 PM
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Nah, our society treats men who make less than their partners different from how it treats women who make less.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:24 PM
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No, it is. People are punished for questioning the feminist line on these issues, even if it's incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:20 PM
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Nah I just don't have the link handy so I'm waiting until I get home, and they're googlable. I have to link government stats instead of just a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:46 PM
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No, women only marry healthy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:45 PM
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Women add even less to men, it turns out - sure, there's sex, but typically less additional income because women like more time off, as long as we're using those metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:41 PM
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That's my experience. Though it's usually with female doctors as OP describes, weirdly. Women who make more money than their male partner seem to often think that makes them better than their male partner in a way that isn't true when the situation is reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:21 PM
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Well, that's because a lot of women don't see men as fully human, and only want those two things from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:17 PM
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Have you considered the idea that you're dumping or venting at inappropriate times?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:06 PM
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The issue is that if your life is already destroyed because your mother never really loved you and your teachers in K-12 education wanted to stop succeeding, what's there to lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:52 PM
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No, women do it to guys around them. I've had to get gals in my class stop referring to fellow students as "fuckbois" casually; they got infuriated when I told them to stop it. Also "Asian men are all predatory/disgusting/patriarchal/unattractive." Most men are socialized being told they are inherently a burden on the people around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:50 PM
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Not in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:49 PM
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It means that being a good person is not the path to romantic fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:48 PM
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True, female friends are usually high mantaince. No, a lot of women don't want their male partners going out with male friends and "getting into trouble."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:48 PM
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No, there's systemic discrimination against boys in our society that has knockoff effects. You'd never advocate for personal responsibility for women; you'd say it's society's responsibility to help them. EDIT: /u/TenaciousVillain blocked me, they seem to be unwilling to back up their points. Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:47 PM
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Doesn't change the fact that studies have found women are happy single. They actually haven't, that was based on a willful misinterpretation of studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:47 PM
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No. Women still find violent men more attractive, all else being equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:46 PM
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Single women are happier Single women are less happy than partnered women. Women tend to be more unhappy when they aren't partnered.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:45 PM
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No, it's because our society cares more about women. Men are less likely to get helped my mental health professionals even when they seek them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:43 PM
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A lot of young men get sucked into gaming intensely as boys. This is not talked about enough. Nothing wrong with gaming. As the sister to a younger brother, I did a lot of gaming growing up and we still bond over it well into adulthood. So, I also know the culture very well. And without intentionality to balance their lives, gamers often get sucked into playing for hours and hours, days, weeks and months on end continuously - neglecting other important aspects of their lives. Their connections w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:42 PM
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Usually they talk shit about their husbands behind their back, disrespect them to their face, etc. A lot of women seem to think a man's worth is measured by the money he makes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:41 PM
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I think that people overlook when women are cruel or dehumanizing to men, because they expect men to just suck it up and take it without complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:40 PM
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Cool, I live in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:39 PM
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Sure. Just don't blame the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:39 PM
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Why do you even care what radical feminists are saying? Because feminists have a dominant position in the public discourse on gender issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:38 PM
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I'm reasonably willing to believe because of the cultural narratives about female sexuality that women having a hard time talking about their sexual needs and wants can be a real problem. It's also the narratives about male disposability. If a guy doesn't "just know," kick him out of bed and find one who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:37 PM
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There are false reports of other crimes as well, but for some reason, your sole focus is on rape. Right, because it's the one crime where people are told that false accusations never happen and it's wrong to worry about it. Given the stats, it’s clear that at least 90% of reported rapes genuinely happened. Not how that works. Up to 10% of them are "clearly false." There are some that are unclear. And then there's a segment that are definitely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:37 PM
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Here's the one about mothers shaming their sons for being emotional whereas fathers are more fair. For the others, I'm not going to dig out the figures right now, because they're easier to find, but more boys are neglected than girls, and it's usually mothers doing the neglecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:35 PM
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I'm talking about women who are attracted to a celebrity in media they haven't met.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:31 PM
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Not everyone has that. Regardless, his female partner would shame him for "man flu."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:30 PM
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My generation bends over backwards to please men. Nope. Men are trash, #killallmen, "lean out," etc. Boys are raised with the idea that they're unworthy and inferior, and Gen Z women hate them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:29 PM
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Nope. Why are you assuming people have that option?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:59 AM
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If your partner doesn't enjoy having sex with you she hasn't grown up enough to be able to love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:58 AM
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I teach at a college, I'm around a lot of Gen Z women. I've had to shut down some ridiculously dehumanizing talk about men (especially Asian men) in my classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:57 AM
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So any time women stop enjoying the sex they should just what? No, women should understand it as a serious problem that she should work on fixing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:56 AM
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Why isn’t this public knowledge? Huh, lot of vegetarian women not getting iron.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:56 AM
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And SSRIs cause people to lose their libido and ability to feel affection towards their partner. So at that point you're fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:54 AM
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I see that a lot of people think moods are something you can just know how to fix You should make an effort to fix them if it's denying you intimacy towards your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:54 AM
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Right, but the feminist media types are saying "unrealistic depictions of male physiques good, because women like them, but unrealistic depictions of female physiques bad, because men like them."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:49 AM
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No, even Gen Z women treat men as inherently unworthy who have to prove themselves to her over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:47 AM
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What stops it is feminists having a near-monopoly on gender discourse and refusing to entertain discussion that doesn't center women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:22 AM
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Cool, plenty of other people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:38 AM
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Men don't GAF, but teenaged boys still experience body dysmorphia and use PEDs to get those muscles. No, men GAF, they're just trained that it's wrong to say that it stresses them out, because they aren't worth the regard that women and girls are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:37 AM
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It's a problem specific to this crime because 1. The false accusation rate is higher than for other crimes and 2. Feminists are ideologically invested in getting falsely accused men convictions. Again, see Duke Lacrosse or Emma Sulkowicz if you want to see cases where no rape occured but men were still punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:36 AM
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Yes, because it shows that society is willing to lock up men on shoddy evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:34 AM
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Women aren't mind readers either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:33 AM
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Well, studies show that. Do you think studies that paint women in a bad light are wrongthink?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:32 AM
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Because the women's movement specifically says that they don't think men and boys deserve the same care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:29 AM
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It's not a problem of any particular woman. If you want to talk about that, let's talk about Duke Lacrosse or Emma Sulkowicz. But the problem is in the dehumanization and demonization of men and boys, to where people don't care about the risk of them being falsely charged with crimes and possibly imprisoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:32 PM
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Black and brown men often are. As we see in the two example cited by OP. But this is nowhere near and epidemic that the average UMC, white redditor needs to worry about. Duke Lacrosse is a good example. It affects black and brown men more often, but it can affect all men (and I know of one case of it affecting a woman). My post is attempting to understand what you are actually talking about vs. what OP is actually talking about. You are bouncing around from "fake allegation" to "false allegation…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:31 PM
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Either way an innocent person's freedom is in jeopardy and it's a problem. And either way people in this thread seem dismissive of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:29 PM
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They're ridiculed because it's "not the same" due to patriarchy, hit with the idea that male sexuality is inherently evil, and female sexuality is virtuous, so it doesn't matter, etc. Men do talk about it... but they're told to shut up, by the same people who despise depictions of attractive female characters in media. It's demonization of and disrespect of men, like OP says.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:26 PM
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Right, because when a woman is a shitty relationship partner that's on the man. Because women are never responsible for their actions... they're like children, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:25 PM
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Let's go with Duke Lacrosse, then, if it makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:24 PM
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This isn't the sense in which "false allegation" is deployed by red pillers and their ilk. They are referring to women making up an assault that never happened. I don't really consider myself a "red-piller," but that's not how I use it. Either way, it's still innocent men being charged with sec crimes, and sometimes convicted. Let's talk about Duke Lacrosse if you want a better example. Give the difficulty of prosecuting and convicting rape - especially in cases where evidence is not always coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:23 PM
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That's definitely a false accusation; are you crazy? Let's go with Duke Lacrosse, then, if it makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:15 PM
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The main "push" is towards representation No, there's also definitely a huge push to remove anything that straight male sexuality enjoys from media. It's considered dehumanizing for women to see a sexualized female character in media, but men have to suck up seeing caricatured male bodies, or unrealistic male physiques, because it's assumed that women are precious and have emotions that can be hurt, whereas men do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:15 PM
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Again, you make a post that has very little to do with what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:13 PM
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That "source" isn't a study; every time the rate of false accusations are actually looked at, and the same methodology applied to other crimes at the same time, the false accusation rate for male-perpetrated sex crimes is higher. Also, how is a "false allegation" defined? The Central Park Five, for example is a case where an actual assault did occur. Yes... but the wrong men were convicted. Anything that results in people who didn't commit a crime being alleged to have done it is a false allegat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:12 PM
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Studies estimate that false rape allegations only only account for an estimated 2% to 10% of total reported rapes. 10% chance of false accusation is huge. It's more than any other crime. What's more, most people the Innocence Project frees are men wrongly convicted of sex crimes... it's a serious issue. Exonerated Five, anyone? Female DA who was "protecting women" by putting five innocent young men/teenagers in prison? And Donald Trump was all for locking them up, lol. And the “kill all men” slo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:48 PM
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It's the media culture. Female characters who are too attractive in games is misogyny, attractive men with unrealistic physiques are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:45 PM
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By making a dead bedroom they’re not doing their wifely duties of proving sex so in turn they’re lazy and useless. I never said that; are you saying that? Or are you making things up again?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:35 PM
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Wanna try explaining how an elite husband deals with a lazy useless wife? Where is lazy and useless coming in to this? How did the awesome husband even pick such a bad partner? In this context, it was a woman who was all gung-ho for marriage and family until the reality set in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:26 PM
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You need to start reading the posts that people make instead of responding with irrelevant drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:00 PM
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For some women. For other women, it means she sees the man who makes her feel "safe" as a sexless caretaker figure, and starts pursuing exciting men outside the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:58 PM
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Of course the man is blindsided, the wife's been spending the whole relationship telling him "things are fine" and expecting him to read her mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:57 PM
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That's definitely confirmation bias - I think it's that when men suggest couple's therapy women just refuse and blow up the relationship, whereas men are more willing to work on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:56 PM
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Why are you assuming the issue can never be the man's behaviour? That's not the issue, the issue is people are acting like it's always the man's fault, that it's within his control... when a lot of times it's just that his wife doesn't care about him, and hasn't grown up enough to love someone in a long-term, cohabiting relationship. Some husbands suck and it's mostly on them, but so do some wives... the issue is it's considered misogynist to talk about the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:55 PM
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Right, but usually women with medication or hormone issues find the idea of "fixing" themselves to be morally abhorrent, they'd rather find a new partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:53 PM
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Sure, but the issue for guys is that women generally don't want to communicate about what they need or want in the bedroom - they want him to "just know" what gets her off, while at the same time taking care of his own orgasm so she doesn't have to put any effort into it. In that circumstance, it's not really worthwhile to talk about "sexual prowess" in a venue like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:53 PM
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Wow. No, dude. I have a son (my only kid), and I would die for that child. He is literally the best thing to ever have happened to me. Hands down. I'm glad you feel that way! Unfortunately, mothers are more likely to neglect their sons as opposed to their daughters, and we know that mothers tend to enforce the "boys don't cry, boys who cry are weak, but girls are allowed to express negative emotion" kind of gender role more than fathers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:41 PM
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Nah, I think a lot of women want kids because they want to fit in with their peers and seem like they're succeeding, they don't really care about their kids, especially if they're boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:10 PM
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Nope, women get coddled even more in those situations. Like how women who domestically abuse their male partners often end up not being the one arrested when the police show up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:26 PM
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I thought we were going to talk about morality. Forget about promiscuity, that doesn't mean anything on its own, where are the compassionate, brave, and virtuous women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:25 PM
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Men are judged much more harshly than women for "venting," emotional vulnerability, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:20 PM
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Only in PPD can a woman say "I am attracted to this...... Or I like this" and someone says you don't actually like this. On this one particular issue, a lot of women think they can handle male emotionality, but when the runber hits the road have traditionalist ideas about how men need to keep their emotions bottled up but women are allowed to express theirs. Work by psychologists, like I mentioned, bears this out. What women express disdain for is a lack of emotional maturity. Nope, work on coup…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:17 PM
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No, being a partner to his wife and a parent to his child. Even if the guy is fulfilling his responsibilities, she might not be ready for hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:08 PM
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No, realizing this made me less depressed. If guys don't realize that women hate male vulnerability, they start to believe that crap about them expressing their emotions in an incorrect way. Come to realize, it's not your fault, most women hate male vulnerability. These women are just rotten-hearted and self-centered and don't deserve a loving partner because they're unwilling to love in return. Move on, keep looking for the women who aren't like that... they're out there. But they take finding,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:47 AM
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The plural of anecdote is not data. A study is worth more than your claim, especially when there's a lot of people (mostly men) who claim the opposite. You are in the minority. Most women hate male emotional vulnerability and react with hatred to it. Many women moon over "sensitive" types in fiction but punish their male partners for acting similarly. The situation is fucked uo, guys have been saying it for more than a decade now, and it's just the truth. And it is very true that men who never s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:31 AM
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If a man can’t allow himself to be emotional vulnerable with you, I take that as... Assuming you're telling the truth, you're a minority among women. But a lot of women think they're down with male vulnerability, but when actually confronted with it they react with shaming and hostility towards vulnerable men. When men say that women lose attraction to men who are emotional, it’s because those men are misunderstanding the situation. Wrong. Brené Brown's work showed that women were hostile to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:38 AM
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Nope, boys are taught that they're a burden and that if a girl or woman has to be there for you they're you're a failure. But you have to be there for women to make up for your inherent unworthiness. Women are taught that them succeeding in life is a good thing. Boys these days are taught that them succeeding and being happy is evil, sexist, and oppressive. Better to "lean out" and make like the cockroach in the Metamorphosis and just curl up and die, because otherwise you're a selfish misogynis…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:17 AM
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You're not responding to my post. Read it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:15 AM
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You're not following his language. He's describing a separate case, and implying that case is more common than the one he's responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:14 AM
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Only if it's something that she's trying to keep secret from her male partner. She expects her male partner to just sit there and listen to her vent about her day, every day, but if a guy vents about how shitty his work day is he's "trauma dumping."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:13 AM
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Well, they're performing the responsibility of being a husband and father, but they can't control if their partner doesn't want the equivalent responsibility. If a woman becomes a mother and then finds out she doesn't enjoy being a mother, a man can't fix that. But he'll be blamed anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:20 AM
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You misunderstood his comment. He's made the point that a lot of women are enamored with the idea of married life and having children, but then realize it's a lot of work and harder than they thought, and stop being attracted to their husband because they resent him, even though he does his share. A man can't fix that; that's on his wife being shitty and not taking responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:55 AM
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Well sometimes women are dishonest. Like when women say they like emotionally vulnerable men for relationships (untrue, they think they do but punish vulnerability, Brené Brown's work showed this). So sometimes you have to go somewhere else than just asking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:54 AM
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If you are in an intimate situation (ie, alone for a protracted period of time), you will end up fucking 4 out of 5 times. This is not true for most guys. Women have more options for fucking, but they aren't looking for just fucking but for a genuine connection. Bullshit, there's plenty of women who just want sex. Women aren't a monolith. You're contradicting yourself to try to force a just world fantasy. A lot of guys who treat women well don't have romantic success. A lot of guys who treat wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:51 AM
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The issue is that most women are attracted to guys who treat them with benevolent sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:48 AM
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OP never said that, you're putting words in his mouth. The fact of the matter is that the data shows that women lose attraction, affection, and love for men they cohabit with over time, regardless of how many chores the guy does, how feminist he is, or whatever. Frankly, a lot of women aren't capable of loving a male partner in a partnered relationship; they haven't done the emotional work to do so, and unfortunately society often enables them to blame the man and not take responsibility for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:47 AM
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Are there men who treat women like "humans" who don't have success in dating? Are there men who don't treat women like "humans" who do? It's very much compounded by the conventional wisdom being that women deserve special care and attention compared to men, that they're "more valuable." Women like being treated like they're more valuable than men; they find benevolent sexism attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:42 AM
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Nope, it's actually women who punish and shame male vulnerability. Read Brené Brown's work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:38 AM
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More often than women are there for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:36 AM
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Heck yes. Oh my god yes. 110% yes. Like a man who experiences and expresses his emotions is something I find extremely attractive. If he can have those vulnerable conversations with me and sees me safe to do so is like holy shit. I'm very attracted to this. Way more than a stoic man. I sincerely doubt that. Brené Brown's work has shown a lot of women aren't self-aware about how they actually punish vulnerable men. You're actually rewarding invulnerability; your ideal man is one who is open with …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:35 AM
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Vulnerability is welcomed and appreciated. Not by most women, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:34 AM
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People naturally know what the limit is. No, because there's a lot of women who say they're ok with male emotionality but then when presented with it start hurling abuse at the men in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:33 AM
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Men on this sub like to think when women say we want “emotionally open men” we mean you can emotionally vomit on us 24/7 and if we say anything about it we’re liars who set men up for failure. It's because work has been done in relationship psychology to show there's a lot of women who say "I want my man to open up!" and then when he does they shame and abuse him. Men are naturally wary on this topic because many women treat them deceptively on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:32 AM
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my partner having a bad day and wanting to vent about it to me, cry, or hug it out (& have me make him something nice for dinner), vs. Cool. Doing this is considered to be "unfair emotional labor. needing to entirely manage his life and mine. If you want to be the final authority on the household, you need to take the responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:30 AM
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Women very rarely dump emotions on men BS. That's the norm; the issue is that turnabout is not considered fair play.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:30 AM
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Nah. Brené Brown's work covered this - many women get frustrated that their male partner has an inner emotional life that doesn't revolve around her. Any expression of those emotions will piss her off.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:28 AM
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Did you know women can also be not good people? Of course we know that. It's generally considered misogynistic for us to say so, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:18 AM
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And women want what they would never allow for men. It's not a double standard. Most people suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:11 AM
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/u/wtknight take a look at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:10 AM
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Cohabitation is the #1. So many women can't love men they're partnered with, really, they aren't mature enough and haven't done the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:06 AM
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Women also typically aren't sexually attracted to men they cohabit with. That's the bigger issue. Cohabitation lowers womens' ability to love and feel affection for their male partner. Edit: /u/RoyalKitchen blocked me to get the last word in. What's more, they're incorrect; women lose attraction to men they cohabit with regardless of what they describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:05 AM
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If you dated and married her as a sexually attractive, caring, resourceful, responsive, dynamic, capable man who cares about her overall well-being and happiness remain that person to the best of your ability. That is who she feels desire for and wants to have sex with. Doesn't matter, most women lose attraction for partners they cohabit with no matter how well the man treats her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:05 AM
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You're right, but plenty of those people still have the female partner stop loving and feeling affection for her male partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:04 AM
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You misunderstand. She wanted to have kids, but couldn't handle the reality of it. A man can't fix that for her; she doesn't want the responsibility of being a mother and wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:03 AM
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when women's arousal pathways are inherently different then mans. They aren't. There's no "reactive desire" when a hot celebrity is involved. It's just most women aren't actually attracted to their male partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:02 AM
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Take a look here. Generally, things are fairly equal except for hiring, where women have a significant advantage.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 01:00 AM
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Academic publishing has a observable skew towards men, allowing me to acquire more co-authoring credit and increased tenure prospects at around a 10% higher margin then comparable women. Not really accurate. Academia is dramatically biased towards women; a woman is given a massive unearned boost in hiring in academia, including STEM.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/23 05:46 PM
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There is systemic discrimination against men and boys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/23 05:42 PM
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Feminism doesn’t involve abdicating responsibility for women. Feminism is how we got Amy Cooper. Yeah it is. I would literally argue that one of the primary goals of feminism is to FIGHT the view of women as helpless, irresponsible, and dependent. It's a stated goal, but the actions of both academics and the average feminist on the street are the opposite. Feminism is constantly selling neurotic paranoia to women, telling them that all men are the enemy, any problems you have are mens' fault and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/23 05:40 PM
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I have to interject on the notion of therapists not caring about your issues because of your gender. I’ve only had one therapist whose ideological leanings weren’t a fit for me in that way. I've had multiple. I found that nonwhite women were better for this, as well as men in general.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/23 06:54 PM
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The issue is that if they address that they'll lose their audience - helping men will piss a lot of people who prioritize pro-white woman chivalry off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/23 06:52 PM
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In all fairness if two frugal people get in a relationship together it helps them because they can share costs between them. So there's what you're describing, but for women (or men) who are interested in financial security partnering up can be a big boon if your partner is of a similar mindset.
/r/MensRights09/10/23 09:35 PM
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I'm really surprised this was considered Nobel worthy work The "Nobel" prize she won is not really a Nobel prize. Banks funded it so they could give economists who say the right things accolades.
/r/MensRights09/10/23 09:32 PM
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I’m not saying “hate.” Right, but that's what you mean. And see how you so glibly say “no all women feel that way “just because” but all men have real reasons I care about”? I'm not talking about all women, just the women who hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:13 PM
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No, the women who hate men hate men regardless of the violence differential between the sexes. It's fine to feel bad if your life is rough. What you were the proponent of, though, was blaming men for their own victimization, and not blaming women for the bad things they do, which is completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:05 PM
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No, women are plenty horny, they just aren't attracted to most men, and our culture has cultivated the idea that hating men, as a class, is ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:56 PM
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What isn't true?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:24 PM
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It's just accurate though. You're basically saying "I'm sorry you're wrong" without addressing the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:24 PM
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what is it that you think women should/could do to improve men's situation? Stop discriminating against boys in K-12 education, and punish women who do. That'd be a great start.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:19 PM
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More than 80% of the men freed by the Innocence Project are men falsely convicted of sex crimes. Men should take that kind of thing seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:17 PM
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If the couple's happy and nobody's being abused, is it any of our business?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:14 PM
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Currently single. I don't think there's anything I find attractive about all women - women are not a monolith. I find compassion, courage, and thoughtfulness attractive personality traits. People who don't go with the flow and who stand up for (good) ideals. When I'm at my best I'm like that, and women who are like that are very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:11 PM
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Literally never. My mom even verbally defended the older girl who sexually abused me, and wouldn't tolerate me criticizing her. "She had a rough upbringing." I'm sure some women somewhere do defend men from women - actually I know some women who do - but no woman has defended me from women, or anyone else, really. Now, women have helped me out - once I had to move real quick due to some bullshit with my uni and a female friend helped me out in a bind, and other situations like that. But protect?…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:08 PM
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It's almost certainly confirmation bias on your part. Absent a study, there's no real evidence. One of the things that you see with people who actually hate the opposite sex is they think an attractive member of their own sex paired with a less attractive member of the opposite sex is morally wrong. Like an attractive woman paired with an average-looking guy. A normal person looks at that and, noticing their disparity in attractiveness, thinks "Maybe they're really compatible. Maybe his personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:06 PM
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A lot of men here admit they don't like or want friends I don't see that too much. I have great friends, and I'm glad I have them. But seeking friends is different from seeking a romantic partner, and has different results. "Just try to make friends" is what women tell men they think are too unattractive to deserve romantic success. They don't want to be responsible for giving the untermenschen the go-ahead to flirt with someone, because that might make its way back through the sisterhood grapev…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:58 PM
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Forcing a disinterested person to deal with an unwanted pick up attempt is either entitlement or bad manners. You can't know they're disinterested until you interact with them. You're expecting mind reading. If his only goal is sex or dating and has no interest in the hobby, he's going to clock as predatory or creepy immediately. Not true, women get with predatory men by accident all the time. If his goal is to make friends and expand his horizons, he is far more likely to stumble across a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:55 PM
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Right, but if you're not attractive, it's not going to help. So focus on being attractive (gym, clothes that are or seem expensive, plastic surgery if you're cursed) and suddenly things will change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:47 PM
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Nah, sexually successful men tend to regard women as lesser.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:45 PM
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I linked you a study first that you dismissed Your study was a self-reporting survey. Very easy to dismiss compared to actual double-blinded studies. Are you aware of how biased self-reporting surveys can be? Given there's a measurable bias against men and boys in our society, of course mothers think they're treating their sons better when they actually treat them worse. You’re relentless in your lack of comprehension of… life. Sense has chased you all your years, but you’ve been faster. A track…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:38 PM
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Sure, but you're upset they feel bad and think they're entitled for feeling human emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:36 PM
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Our sub’s rules view this response is trolling and incivility. Your rules are intended to protect entitled white women on our sub from having to confront facts. You made that up. Quote me. I’ve never implied that in my life. Your overall outlook makes that clear. I've linked you studies about how pro-female bias is the norm in Western society. Anyone can be deemed a “monster” if they’re doing things that the aggregate deems monstrous. Like what are you even going on about? I'm pointing out that …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:32 PM
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And even here, if it’s clear to everyone else you have zero interest in building friendships and have zero real interest in CrossFit, spin, or yoga and are just there to pick up women, don’t expect good results. Your results will have a lot more to do with your attractiveness than your interest in the subject manner. If you're hot the gals will be like "haha yoga is kind of stupid, I agree."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:29 PM
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That's your bias, though. Also, you hate men, you find it offensive when they breathe around you, so you aren't to be taken seriously on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:25 PM
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So now all the male complaints on this sub are from guys from small towns with zero young people? Can't speak for anyone else but my hometown is definitely like that. It wasn't a troll response, it was just sarcastically pointing out how morally bankrupt your position is. But your outlook is that women are free of the responsibility of having to be good people - men just have to deal with it. But if a man isn't a good person, he's a monster. In your eyes, women have all the moral responsibility …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:19 PM
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Nah, women like, in descending order: 1. Men who practice benevolent sexism/chivalry 2. Men who practice traditional sexism and 3. Men with egalitarian attitudes. Egalitarian, nonobjectifying men are the least attractive to you and your sisters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:16 PM
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Your experience doesn't mean anything compared to stats. The halo effect just means you think that men who aren't attractive are also evil. Meanwhile, an attractive man could literally be beating you and you'd think he was a better person lmao. I've seen it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:12 PM
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Nope. They get interest. That' the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:10 PM
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It’s only after getting to know you that they will become attracted to you. No, then they still won't be attracted. They're just friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:10 PM
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Yeah but I don't ever see men gatekeep other men and think they joined a hobby or a class for nefarious reasons. I had to stop going to yoga classes for that reason. It was through my uni so it was supposed to be co ed but all the gals in it and the instructor were so hostile I couldn't continue. I wasn't even hitting on anyone - just show up, little bit of chit chat before and after, do yoga, leave. But it was very important to them that it be an all-female space. It literally made me drop comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:07 PM
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I guess you weren’t invited or chose not to go to your small town’s kickbacks, parties, bars, clubs, happy hours, or general fun young people normie events? Not all small towns have these, because all the young people move to the city. More victim blaming and man-hating from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:06 PM
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No, you're trying to explain this away because part of your ideology is "never blame women for anything, it's all the mens' fault." I present you with a peer-reviewed study and you can't handle it. Just more proof the anti-male tribe on this sub is entirely oriented around feelings of hatred and not facts. Please educate yourself and develop a sense of compassion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:03 PM
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This study.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:52 PM
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I do. I'm looking for a partner, not a hookup. Also, last girl who expressed interest was basically half my age and I'm not down for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:51 PM
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My mom didn't use those exact words but she hated on women with large breasts or who had implants, implying that they were sluts or pickmes (before "pickme" was a term.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:46 PM
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men have dick size as a go-to insult for other men No, that's not where men reach first. It's usually calling him a coward ("pussy") or implying he's homosexual. Women generally go for the body shaming or homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:45 PM
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You've yet to prove that. Women slut shame more strongly than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:42 PM
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It is not a raw deal that someone decides to have sex that is not with you. No, it's definitely misfortune and they're allowed to feel bad about it. Demanding that they not is just pure female entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:41 PM
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I have nothing against sexually promiscuous women, I just know that highly sociosexual women are going to be a bad fit for me in a relationship so I don't try to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:29 PM
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And the non self-aware women and white knights on this sub will react with seething hatred if this is brought up, because examining their biases is not something they're supposed to have to do, that's for the disgusting other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:28 PM
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People are more likely to take womens' bad experience seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:12 PM
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My point is that some women really despise us men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:12 AM
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Subs like FDS not being actioned on while their male equivalents are is pretty telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:10 AM
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A decent portion of the pie do want to sexually enslave us. What amount? Can you confirm it's more than the amount of the female pie that wants a Gearhart-style genocide of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:30 AM
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There's a big one you're missing - men are considered to be "fair game" for violence more than women are, because of anti-male bias. Police brutality disproportionately hits white men more than black women, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:27 AM
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You should leave the sub on account of you not being able to have empathy for approx. 50% of the population. The pro-woman bias on reddit is pretty stark.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:25 AM
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Given that women are less sympathetic to men than the reverse, the onus is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:24 AM
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Nobody was arguing against that. You are just trying to flee to that position to avoid having to cop to the fact that you were advocating for not having empathy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:07 AM
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You would not suggest a woman who is romantically unfulfilled go date a man who was unattractive and could not provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:59 PM
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Romantic loneliness can't be satisfied with platonic friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:48 PM
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Sure, it's possible, but it's far less likely with men than with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:29 PM
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No I didn't. I just disagree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:15 PM
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I've had the same experiences with a lot of men who expected me to fulfill their mother's role. It's likely that you insisted on taking the power and respect due a senior, and then when they were like "Ok, if you want the power you can have the responsibility too" you didn't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:54 PM
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No, the other women in our social group, and their wives. I'm not in the military, these people are just my friends due to a shared hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:53 PM
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No, I have a group of friends that are all part of the same military unit and they definitely look out for older women taking advantage of the younger guys in the unit. Women seem to hate that and say it's misogynistic for them to tell the young man to look out for himself and not be taken advantage of, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:45 PM
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No, preselection is mostly a phenomenon only in womens' attraction. If you have a stat that says otherwise, let's see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:42 PM
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What would you call it if a girl was exposed to misogynistic messaging growing up via online media?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:41 PM
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You didn't engage with their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:40 PM
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Eh, most women in my life treat me like a worker drone to extract value out of, I can't flee them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:39 PM
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How would he know I Feel unsafe? Context. For example, if my vagina is being grabbed at a concert I am not responding and seem scared, I am probably not interested. That's sexual assault, not him hitting on you. "Made me feel unsafe" is much more general than that. Idk. I think a lot of men aren't emotionally intelligent so maybe this is more of an ask than I expected It's not a matter of emotional experience, they might not just know. I've had my ass grabbed in a crowded bar before and nobody e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:38 PM
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Yup, but I grew up in a rural area and it was more common there. Usually just someone's dog that's got out but if someone has a poorly trained, aggressive, and big dog it's not uncommon for them to hurt someone so best be careful. Sounds like you haven't been in too many dangerous situations, though, but you didn't bring up the times you were in dangerous spots but nearby men didn't intervene.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:34 PM
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Nah, it is. What definition of abuse are you using?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:31 PM
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That's all just blatantly untrue and a gross misunderstanding of what feminism is. If you go back and read the Declaration of Sentiments, it definitely says that women are morally superior to men (especially immigrants...). Patriarchy existing is not a reflection on individual men It's used that way constantly, though. The people who came up with the idea definitely intended for it to be used on individual men that way, saying that patriarchy is all men oppressing all women. You don't have to ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:18 PM
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I don’t date men who are on the bottom anymore because those men tend to resent women who help them and remember when they had nothing. I'm not talking about dating, I'm talking about associating with. Regardless, this is a common thing for women to do too. I literally said earlier, men are victimized and sometimes don’t even know it. They are sexually assaulted, they need mental health support. How much more of an acknowledgement do you need? A banner parade. You also said that it's basically t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:46 PM
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Feminism does not argue in support of the women are wonderful effect. It definitely does. All men are guilty of patriarchal oppression, women are the victims who definitionally are not, women are morally superior to men, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:31 PM
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Men have the power to fix the problem. Which men? A given man does not. A given man has just as much power as a given woman to solve a given systemic issue. I literally never pretended to not feel empathy for men. Right, that sentiment seems to be genuine. But most men are not worth any outward expressions of empathy for their causes because there are enough people fighting for them. Who? Most people don't think that male causes are worth fighting for, only womens' causes. You want to be a victi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:28 PM
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So you think it's better to make sweeping generalization about all women instead of thinking some of them might be idiots? Why would feminism argue for that? Woman are Wonderful effect. That makes no sense whatsoever. It makes ideological sense, not logical sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:20 PM
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Sir, you don’t know me but men are victims of violent crime by other men. Weird how you take that to mean that men who are victims of violent crime aren't worth the same regard as women, like how because men are both the perpetrators and the victims in a lot of cases it means the victim is actually guilty of their own victimization. Women can listen, suck, fuck, feed and house men and the problem will still be men being violent to other men and women. Which men? Why are you assigning male victim…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:49 PM
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They have said stuff like "men are trash" and when asked things like "which men are you talling about?" They respond with "if it bothers you you're part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:45 PM
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You'd be expected to internalize it because the alternative is deciding that the woman saying that is an idiot who doesn't mnow what she's talking about - and feminists are uncomfortable with men judging women in that way. Women claim to speak for all women all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:44 PM
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you have literally invalidated the main problem that women have which is being safe by saying that women have safer lives Women do have safer lives than men. Women don’t even go out alone at night because they may be killed, kidnapped or raped. Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. The fact that you think that it's a more pressing issue is likely because you don't think men who are victims of violent crime are worth any regard. This is the norm for guys - there's a problem that dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:24 PM
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It's accurate. Google "empathy gap." If you don't think it's a thing you're almost certainly part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:22 PM
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Being told constantly that you are trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:18 PM
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I’m not. You’re trying to suggest that you know more about my own life, which is frankly an absurd thing to say. Do you not believe the halo effect exists? it doesn’t fit with your worldview that good-looking guys are awful I don't believe that. I just don't think they're morally any better than men (or women) in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:18 PM
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I find it challenging to hear men whine. But you've got all the time in the day to hear women whine. I know how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:13 PM
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told that we have no empathy I mean society thinks it's "fair" to have far les empathy for men than to women, so that's something that needs to be addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:12 PM
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The problem is that empathy goes both ways and men don’t exhibit enough of it for women to want to invest any emotional labor into hearing you vent when we ask for the same thing we are ignored. I find that men have more empathy for women than vice versa. Many men will listen to their partner's tough day at work but their partner has no time for them to vent about the same. Every man knows a woman who has been sexually assaulted or arrested but no one knows any rapist or harassers. So when the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:09 PM
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But at the same time they go in circles belittling and hating women whilst complaining that those same women won’t fuck or date them. Meanwhile if a woman starts ranting about how men are trash or whatever men are expected to suck it up or internalize it. I think you just think men are inherently worth less and deserve the abuse, regardless of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:09 PM
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Not really an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:08 PM
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"See! It's funny because men are worthless!"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:45 AM
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Right but they signal different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:43 AM
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It has its own wikipedia article. Go take a look.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:15 AM
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Nope. Women are Wonderful effect is in full force there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:11 AM
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Men generally police other men, women generally do not police other women. Just had a conversation in my friend group about cutting out a dude who was boundary crossing with his sex partners. Seen women defend physically abusive women and female rapists, getting mad that the male victims would dare to retaliate using the legal system in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:51 PM
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Biphobic women invented the idea of "pansexual" to avoid being grouped in with the bi guys they think are icky.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:48 PM
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You're the one who's not following what I'm saying. Looks like you're changing definitions on "work" to avoid having to admit you're wrong. But I can tell you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:41 PM
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I think it's the norm among feminists, and I think the evidence backs it up. The idea that public money would be used for mens' shelters the same as womens' shelters, in particular, seems to really set feminists off - they instead say "make your own shelter!" like abused men don't deserve societal help but abused women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:32 PM
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this is not true. It's 100% true. Google Erin Pizzey. NOW opposes default shared custody. Hotlines for abused men instead redirect them to hotlines where they are treated as abusers. Imagine if the first homosexual fighting for his rights would give up on the first "no" they received. That's what you're asking people to do by not criticizing feminism lol Again, thinking that someone else has to make the change you want is extremely privileged. I can't physically stop every woman from neglecting …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:31 PM
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What does that even mean? That they’re bad people? That the reason they're not getting romantic success is not because of their height, but because they're bad people. That's a very common sentiment on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:28 PM
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your grandma was most definitely chastised for that because moving in with a boyfriend was most definitely NOT the norm in those days You misunderstand, they moved in when they married. If telling you that having to work for a little bit of pussy is equal to "hatred of men", you need to count your lucky stars to only be so blessed. Work doesn't get you pussy. Being attractive does. If it were hard work women would be all over the ag workers around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:27 PM
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but no, they dedicate their time in criticizing feminism and that will lead nowhere Feminists need to be criticized because they're against shelters for men, fair divorce laws, and hotlines for abused men. I also would add that expecting other people to solve their problems is a big fucking proof that they are privileged They do not expect other people to solve their problems. The issue is that feminism says "feminism is for men too! the patriarchy harms men too!" and then if you ask them what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:58 PM
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Nope. The big deal is that it's the norm to say that men who aren't attractive to women are morally inferior. That needs to stop, but it's the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:56 PM
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Therapy is legitimately less helpful for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:42 PM
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Why would I post sources out of context?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:34 PM
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People think that men who are worried about false rape accusations are misogynist. It's not a label I take seriously without a breakdown. The mensrights sub is big on pointing out the inherent bias against men our society has - posts about women raping boys and pointing out the bias there are common for that reason. Guess Donald Trump is the biggest feminist ever for going after the Exonerated Five.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:33 PM
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Didn't I already show you this?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:28 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:27 PM
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Some women are attracted to these behaviors. Not all. It's many/most. Just so that we’re clear, only a portion of women struggle with these things. My understanding is studies have borne out that it's the norm. There are women who don't find those qualities attractive, but they're a minority. And regardless, you are STILL insinuating that all Chads are automatically these horrible, awful people. No, I don't think that. I'm just against the idea that women reward morality with sex - that's not ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:27 PM
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Doesn't satisfy me; I'm not particularly prone to the idea that women must never be criticized so I don't find it misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:21 PM
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No, you're likely perceiving things incorrectly due to the halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:20 PM
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MensRights is actually not misogynistic. Illogical to think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:17 PM
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