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It’s the ones who don’t fuck off when you tell them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 10:02 PM
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All im sayin is if a dude is being weird tell him to fuck off. It’s 2024. Stop placating creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 09:51 PM
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Im not victim blaming. Im just saying that if you’re uncomfortable. Say something. Loudly. You and your friends. Shame these dudes into learning a lesson. I’m a guy and it’s hard for me sometimes to know when my lady friends/family want a guy to be around. I’m like (creep alert) but I guess go ahead and give the old ass creepy Uber driver your number Tina…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 09:42 PM
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Where are you hanging out? Lol you need to go to a more enlightened area where the men aren’t all psychos. You’re simultaneously saying that saying a clear no doesn’t work. But then it DOES work magically when your friend says it? Math ain’t mathing. It’s more likely the first person was not so clear and the second person was. If these guys were all true criminals then why did they listen to the Second Lady?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 08:39 PM
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You think I’ve never encountered someone bigger than me who wants to beat me up or rob me? Gtfo… I don’t believe there’s that many psychos out there trying to take advantage of women. Likely a clear statement of disinterest will do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 08:14 PM
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I don’t reckon they have. Then again maybe I just hang around good guys who know how to take a hint. Surround yourself with better people I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:26 PM
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In my experience it was the opposite. I don’t know how many times I’ve been in a situation where I probably could have gotten laid but instead I just said “have a lovely evening” only to get a confused text later on about whether I was interested or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:24 PM
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In my experience it was the opposite. I don’t know how many times I’ve been in a situation where I probably could have gotten laid but instead I just said “have a lovely evening” only to get a confused text later about whether I was interested or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:23 PM
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Complimenting a necklace and gently grazing their neck while you examine it. Excellent litmus test for after you’ve touched her arm and such. Not quite as intimate as a thigh but also not totally innocent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:21 PM
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Early dating game is all about plausible deniability. Substitute “you’re beautiful” for “wow I like your style, that dress (with the obviously seductive neck line) really suits you” substitute “I’ve been thinking about you” for “let’s do X (activity that you mentioned in a past convo) together” substitute “I want to kiss you” for brushing a lock of hair out of their face and an obvious longing glance at their mouth. It’s feels wrong as it goes against everything they teach kids about interaction…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:15 PM
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Why wouldn’t you just use your words?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:08 PM
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Any behavior that contradicts the masculine archetype. Men are “supposed” to be proficient (and unpaid) carpenters and mechanics from 5pm to 9pm. Where I get bummed is that there is no pushback on this, it’s just accepted. While there would CERTAINLY be pushback if someone said women are “supposed” to be domestic chore machines from 5pm-9pm.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:03 PM
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People are simultaneously outraged at the lack of normal interaction in public and outraged that someone has the audacity to “bother” them in a public space. What is it? Do we all want more community or less community l? I’m for random small talk with strangers, men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 05:22 PM
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How would you define single?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 05:19 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:35 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:35 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:35 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:35 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:35 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:34 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:34 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:34 PM
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It’s an abuse tactic. Just like men pretty much have a monopoly on physic violence. Women have a monopoly on “victimhood” and forms of verbal and mental abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:34 PM
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Exactly. I feel like as a man I don’t bring it up with anyone man or woman because I feel like it puts people in this competition mindset. For men it’s a pissing contest and with women it feels like bragging or trying to prove something. If you’re proud about what you do? Gush please I want to hear it. But I’m not going to ask it feels like prying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:12 PM
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I don’t understand your comment. I agree with OP. They did a great job explaining the subtext in all those banal bits of advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:04 PM
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That’s a great question. It has always frustrated me that you’re supposed to be super concise all the time. People get bored with details. Unfortunately I think everyone can agree, the devil is in the details. It doesn’t lend itself to clear communication at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 08:43 PM
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It’s preselection. It’s so powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 08:39 PM
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The burden of clear communication is always on the communicator.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 08:33 PM
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Honestly I don’t think so. Even the most woke blue pill type people I know have very standard gender roles in their relationships. Many modern enlightened, femenist, power women I know still wish they had man who does arbitrary “man shit”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:19 PM
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I don’t for this reason. It seems shallow to me. I completely stopped asking people this a few years back.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:07 PM
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I actually make it a point to never ask this. I think it’s lazy like “crazy weather huh?” and it always has an air of trying to understand how wealthy someone is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:07 PM
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If you were taught your whole life not to sexualize women and not to acknowledge your own sexual nature, then anyone who is comfortable doing so looks like an “asshole”. Watching someone do the things you were always taught are “wrong” but then succeeding is going to rub you the wrong way. Women do it too, they shame girls who are “pick mes” for being too available, seemingly feigning interest in football or whatever. Then they get upset that the “cool girl” has lots of male attention. Pick mes …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 04:06 PM
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Hey man the whole reason I’m on this sub is to cheer on my boys. The non psycho ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:44 PM
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Dating is like fishing. The fanciest lure don’t mean shit if it ain’t in the water. I’ve got some beauts on a bare hook and worm, and I’ve caught some on a $10 rapala. Sometimes you get nothing, sometimes you lose your lure. But ya gotta keep risking it to eventually catch something. Can’t just accrue an arsenal of equipment and call yourself an angler.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:39 PM
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Id say polyamory is the norm. Considering many MANY people have paramours and emotional infidelity situations. Is it monogamy if you cheated a couple times early in a relationship and have a “work spouse”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:33 PM
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I don’t see anything wrong with it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:23 PM
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Ahhhh but in our closest relatives it is the socially adept males that tend to have the longest reigns as “alphas” because a cabal of chimps that are homies are stronger than one extra large extra violent chimp. Also it’s common for males who are antisocial or overly violent within the tribe to be ostracized or killed. Furthermore, in our other close relatives, Bonobos, matriarchs lead the tribe. Bonobos have a longer period of obscured sexual receptivity (like humans). Promiscuity plus the lack…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:30 PM
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I find that plausible deniability in flirting is a way “good guys” can exploit this preference. Never say she’s hot but compliment her outfit and then say the dress (with the plunging neckline) “suits her” with a sly smile. Use double entendre and innuendo but never directly say anything about her body or features. Touch her as soon as possible in some harmless way, and proceed to more intimate touches if she plays along. It may be obvious to some but to me growing up I was like I will not sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:13 PM
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I disagree that it’s evolutionary. I think it’s a dangerous idea to say that being a violent dickhead is “natural” or “evolutionarily advantageous” likely easier attributed to culture than biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:00 PM
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Yeah I have been successful with them. I reckon I have to work a lot harder and generate a lot more leads than the average gal but it has worked for me. It also makes me a little jaded to see what works vs what doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:39 PM
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Yeah I’m often confronted with “why is it women’s fault that the dating market is the way it is” To which my reply is usually that it’s no one’s “fault” per se, yet it is the individuals choice to either choose a partner based on wisdom and logic, or based off a arbitrary social norm that was baked into you as a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:57 PM
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Yeah I think a lot of boys were told to basically NEVER acknowledge that they are sexual animals. So in that situation your mind races like “uh….. because…. You’re…. So smart?”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 05:17 PM
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Im a pretty good looking guy and I can tell you that when I mention what I do for work it immediately kicks up the interaction a notch. I think it is a major part of what girls like about dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 02:21 PM
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I get it. I was always handsome, smart, and destined for something. Due to the consequences of where I grew up I was a loser. Where I grew up being smart, fit, well dressed, soccer player was synonymous with “gay”. Now I realize that I was always desired but I never allowed myself to believe it. But the damage was done, I always viewed myself as a skinny nerd. So now that I know what to look for and how to take advantage of my blessings I am a little jaded as to what people find “hot” or “cool”.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 02:11 PM
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It’s the same with changing oil, cleaning the gutters, replacing a garbage disposal. What’s more important? Doing a good job? Or learning how to do a good job?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 01:51 PM
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In the end. All that matters is how you are perceived by other people. You can say you’re a wonderful person and you don’t need validation from others but nobody will believe that you’re a wonderful person without social proof. It’s stupid and clearly goes against modern sensibilities about mental health and such but even a therapist would be like why doesn’t anyone like you? It seems you’re not giving me the whole story…. They may not say it in a session but it’s a human reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 01:48 PM
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Yes. Ya gotta bang your way through a bunch of ladies until you realize none of them are that special.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 09:55 PM
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Toxic femininity exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:48 PM
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Familiarity breeds attraction for everyone. It’s never going to hurt your chances to be previously acquainted.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:28 PM
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A good deal is where both sides make concessions and end up in a net positive situation. A deal where one person makes no concessions and receives all the goodies is a swindle job.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:25 PM
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I believe in equality and fairness. I guess my hot take is that less people are as “modern” “enlightened” “feminist” as they say they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:19 PM
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Can’t argue with that well crafted defense /S
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 08:30 PM
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Agree. Women want an emotional roller coaster. You just will not create that as a stable guy with safe hobbies. Gotta at least curate a facade that is compelling to women’s emotional nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 01:17 PM
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Ah yes. Men are bad for trying to be enlightened and non-toxic. How dare they try to listen to the complaints of women and change for the better. That’s so slimy and gross /S
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 01:13 PM
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If she don’t live with me im slangin this thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 01:01 PM
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I think for women it’s the narrative that men are oppressing them (no longer true). And for men it’s that women are supposed to be modern and enlightened but they still prefer a more traditionally masculine archetype.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 01:00 PM
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Intrasexual competition. Same reason if you dress well and groom yourself, men will call you gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 12:53 PM
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Yes there is. The answer is that it’s not inherently wrong or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:30 PM
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So. It’s not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:18 PM
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This is where I take issue. Both green light scenarios are with people you already know and presumably have had sex with. How did you get there without ever communicating your sexual intent?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 08:47 PM
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Yeah my point is you gotta start somewhere. My favorite trick is to touch a girl (somewhere innocuous) and see if she recoils. But this is wrong full stop. Depending on who you ask. In my experience if a girl lets you touch her neck or hair, you’re in there like swimwear.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 08:41 PM
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How would one know what she wants if one never takes the interaction to a sexual place?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 08:24 PM
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How would one know what she wants if you never seek to make the interaction sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 08:22 PM
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America seems to be rampant with “feminists” who are all fired up to chat about issues but then only find one very specific (masculine, traditional) type of guy as attractive. Where as in Norway I’ve heard women are much more modern in terms of shaking traditional gender roles. Splitting bills, breadwinner roles etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 08:15 PM
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Men expressing their sexuality? Disgusting…. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 07:35 PM
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Shiiiiiit now THAT would be a party. Wedding reception? lame, tame, pg. Near miss reception? Wild, riot, x rated. Bachelor party vol. 2
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 07:33 PM
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Is it disrespectful to sexualize women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 07:08 PM
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I agree it seems men have more modern sensibilities when it comes to behavior, while still wanting a lady to look feminine. Women still seem to have very traditional sensibilities about male behavior and looks. Even the more “feminist” ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:20 PM
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They work fine for me. But I do feel bad for guys who aren’t handsome, tall, white, privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:34 PM
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I just expect everyone lives like that. So I live like that even harder. You’re busy tonight? Good. I got some tings I’ve been meaning to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:32 PM
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Reciprocate literally anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:30 PM
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I believe in you. Just assume every girl is interested and start flirting with everyone. Use apps, practice your game. You can do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 03:36 PM
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I think if she has two more partners than you then grow up, get over it. If she gangbanged the whole galaxy then just forget it and go bag a galaxy of your own. And I think men can do it they just need to adopt certain strategies that work. And also try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 10:16 PM
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Yeah I agree. If it bothers you then either pump up those numbers and run through some tail or find someone who has similar experience to you. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 09:09 PM
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Learn Spanish. It’s a beautiful language and people get a huge kick out of the white boy chopping it up in Spanish.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:56 PM
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It’s just revenge for all the messaging they got as a kid about how being a virgin means you’re a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:30 PM
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Ooooooo but that tingle is strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:26 PM
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Man I’ve had girls refuse to watch movies because they knew I’d seen it with another girl, refuse to eat somewhere I had taken other girls etc. They were uncomfortable that I ate food with another girl, or enjoyed media with another girl. I think people can understand that sex might be a little more weighty than Ace Ventura.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:00 PM
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Nice guy who learns game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:51 PM
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Nobody is pretending. People shit on bald men, men with ED, constantly. It’s not right. Just like it would be uncool to shit on a fat old mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:47 PM
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If she was that determined I’d just hook up with her a few times. Then hit her with that “I just don’t feel a spark here” “maybe we should be friends”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:43 PM
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Nobody interacts face to face anymore. Even when in public people act like it’s rude to say hello or try to chat with a stranger. I’m talking not even in a non sexual way. Like people don’t talk to each other period. A group of friends goes to the bar, for the most part stare at their phones and don’t even talk amongst each other, let alone a kind stranger. Get out there and small talk with each other! Doesn’t need to be super heady life changing discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:41 PM
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I still think you gotta be clever, you can’t say “nice jugs” but you can say “lovely dress, it DEFINITELY suits you” that’s still gentlemanly but it’s a very thinly veiled way of saying “I’m interested” and not in a platonic kinda way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 10:07 PM
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Seriously so refreshing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 08:17 PM
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I’m saying a vast majority of women, no matter what they say, are attracted to a traditional masculine archetype. Even feminists and blue pillars and “modern” independent women. It’s easy to say you don’t mind a modern relationship with a modern male partner, but it’s another thing to actually confront those biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 07:40 PM
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Later in life I’ve run into classmates that had crushes on me that pretty much told me if I would have said one word to them it would have been on. Soooooo glad I was such a gentleman back then /S
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 07:17 PM
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Only option is to wait for the right one. Or just play the game. I went through a similar process. Dad sucked and I basically didn’t want to be anything like him. But I’ll tell you one thing, the man fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 07:10 PM
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wtf? Women are red pill. They’re the whole reason for the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 07:06 PM
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Im probably getting old for that but I reckon it works. Too bad when I was in college I believed all the bullshit about not approaching women pretty much anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 07:03 PM
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Word. My take is that people are generally decent and nobody is so bad as to be good for nothing. Of course if you want to lose your v card but you’re 500lbs with no job, work on that, of course if you tend to lose your mind and love bomb a friend after being rejected by her, work on that. But if you’re genuinely decent. Then flaunt what you got, be confident, make it obvious you like a girl, don’t be afraid to be passionate and express your feelings. Yes, even lusty or romantic feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 04:14 PM
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It’s always been a problem for me. Ive had multiple women ask if I have feelings at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 03:58 PM
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I think this illustrates the issue. A “nice guy” might have successes and accolades that would impress women but he’s always heard women say how much they want a humble and self aware guy. An “asshole” knows that even though people SAY they value humility, he knows that that is pc lip service, and people really value confidence bordering on arrogance. Also I don’t believe nice guy or asshole really are good terms for the issue at hand. It seems guys who get laid can be good people too and nice g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 03:56 PM
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Nahhh get out there and start slangin that thing! Tinder, bumble, coffee shop, skee ball league.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 03:49 PM
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Yeah I think the terms don’t really match up to describe the phenomena. I think a lot of “nice guys” are good people who aren’t whining and going crazy if a girl doesn’t like them back. I think there are a lot of men out there who internalized certain messages about how dangerous and violent we are perceived to be by women. Which leads to a passive approach towards dating, which will inevitably leave you playing the long game and being a gentleman and having female friends. Eventually it’s bound…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 03:45 PM
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Okay what do you think about it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 12:21 PM
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That is an interesting topic. I personally don’t buy ALL the evo psych stuff. Some of it is compelling though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:36 PM
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Hey man you can learn those tactics too. Then you can be the one that other guys complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:01 PM
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It’s one of those things where it’s not fair but it’s also not going to change. Everyone will press their advantage when they’ve got one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:10 PM
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This is so frustrating. Just admit that there is certain social programming that we all have. If you want to have the highest probability of success then you need to conform to a specific masculine archetype. I know women aren’t a monolith but I think there are a lot of women out there who pretend to be all modern and enlightened but they still think it’s icky if a guy can’t hang a shelf or chooses to go Dutch.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 06:09 PM
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“Knows how to flirt and build tension” This is a major problem I see. Flirting and building tension are things I think men in a certain age group were strongly discouraged from doing. But if you completely disregard all that social programming, and just flirt with everyone constantly, playfully tease, and touch people, you will get better and have more success.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:51 PM
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I agree but I want to say. Emphatically. That good guys can win at this game too. They’ll probably end up married though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:42 PM
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I understand the frustration when it comes to hypocrisy. Just like I understand women’s complaints about certain hypocrisy in men’s general preferences. For instance a lot of guys who are womanizers do not a good partner make. So there is a grain of truth in there about making poor choices in partner. Men do the same thing, lead with your wallet, get taken advantage of. We can talk about what works and why, or we can talk about how things could change for the better but I don’t think blaming the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:39 PM
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I think everyone is a little too focused on finding a perfect partner. I look at it this way, a good deal is one where both sides make concessions but end up net positive. If one side makes zero concessions and receives all the goodies, that’s not a deal, that’s a swindle job.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:59 PM
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Yeah there’s enormous differences in what we like. One of the biggest differences between men and women. Men tend to be more confident. So its one of those things that women notice and care a lot about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 12:25 PM
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I honestly get a little sick of this “just find a healthy, enlightened partner” it’s like okay…. Great advice… have you met people?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 12:17 PM
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While I agree with this take, yet…. If you want to have lots of success you need to appeal to the largest group of people. Unfortunately the best way is to perform these dances. But yeah I agree. I wish the world were different and valued unique individuals a little more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:57 PM
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If it’s the homie I wouldn’t care even if I was dating her
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:24 PM
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We all get exactly what we deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 08:14 PM
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I mean I’m pretty good with women and I’m still bitter and jaded lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 08:12 PM
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I think ladies have a tendency to minimize and underestimate the work of their partners because of an awareness of past inequality in the area. I’m not saying it’s not still a problem. I just think it only a problem if it is a problem and you should be honest with yourself about exactly how much you do and how much your partner does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 08:02 PM
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Yeah I find I’m quite the conversationalist when there’s an interesting person to talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 08:23 PM
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Being dumb, so many people these days have no knowledge of history, politics, current or historical events, basic science. Some people have no code or awareness of bigger issues in the world because they’ve never confronted those issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 07:32 PM
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Definitely harassed and definitely pressured into it for fear of hurting her feelings. Had girls have huge violent fits over rejecting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 07:30 PM
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You’re already stating that one should attempt to interact in a friendly way with strangers in public. I’m just extending that to ladies you fancy. I think we agree on almost everything except I think it’s fine to hit on anyone anywhere as long as you’re a decent person and a gentleman. I think disregarding your advice does two things, instantly sets you apart as a bold and confident, and just skyrockets the number of opportunities and experiences you will get. Which you need to get to that gold…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 06:24 PM
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I agree man I’m just being optimistic. If you’re hopeless ya probably ought to take a hard look in the mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 05:51 PM
1

I think it cements you more solidly in their memory. They will remember your gestures and mannerisms. Texting is so boring and forgettable, even if you’re a cunning linguist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 05:45 PM
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Yeah just shake it off and if you need a quick confidence boost then lower your standards. I’m just saying that you might surprise yourself. Some people are/can be more attractive than they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 05:31 PM
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Important caveat I’ll admit. So long as you are a gentleman and a good person I don’t think you can really go wrong. To your point about looks, I still think it’s important to aim high. So long as you are a gentleman. If you get rejected it’s only humiliating if you allow it to be. Thick skin and some humor can ease that pain and sometimes… SOMETIMES. Snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 04:09 PM
1

Oh I just mean they’re both situations where people’s actions contradict their stated values. They’re not necessarily reciprocals of the same issue. They just similarly expose misalignments between value system and actions. There’s a million of these on both sides. Situations where it’s impossible to be honest about what you want for fear of being judged. I don’t care what you want so long as it’s fair to both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 03:56 PM
3

I agree that it’s better to hit on girls you are already acquainted with and in your communities. I disagree that there’s somehow something wrong with speaking to people in public. The crux of my argument is that even to get the women in your circles interested, you will need to boldly display interest in some way. Flirt, touch, hold eye contact for an extended period, make a bawdy joke and see how they react. This kind of thing is probably considered rude and “asshole-ish” by many, yet, these a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 03:03 PM
1

Talmbout dang ole, chicks man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 11:18 PM
9

Yup I’m here to say that it is totally okay. Please approach women when you fancy them. Despite what people say, this is normal and women actually like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:12 PM
2

You should take a page from ole Boomhauer
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:06 PM
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I think this is part of the asshole v nice guy thing. Nice guy has been told that it is wrong to approach girls and he internalized that message. “Assholes” are just guys who don’t give a shit if they’re perceived to be creepy or wrong. They just keep firing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:05 PM
1

Well yeah I just mean he adopted it in a wise way that I think resonates with working class people. Not condoning it or saying he’s particularly creative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:38 PM
1

Nah. I’ll watch real porn or dive into the old spank bank and relive a situation from the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 07:19 PM
1

Fairness is another word you could use. If my partner is busy doing chores I feel bad sitting around being a blob. I think that’s a good thing, it’s holding up my end of the “bargain” or striving for fairness. Transaction in my opinion is only a dirty word if someone is getting swindled.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:44 PM
1

Learn game.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:32 PM
2

I mean even healthy, loving relationships are transactional, it’s just both parties get a really good deal. Also I think healthy people have enough grace to allow a partner to have a bad day here and there. These relationships trade a lot of things outside of money and sex that’s the difference imo. Love and caring are also relationship currency. But again you just give and pray you get reciprocated. You can’t really keep score. Unless your partner is shitty and continues to take take take over …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:29 PM
5

Word I’ve had hot babes think I’m the absolute man and become clingy aloha widows (I’m nothing special) and I’ve also had girl pretend I don’t exist. Just gotta keep firing, get that xG up. Chicks are like the Manchurian candidate, sometimes they just fall for ya over some small trigger you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:17 PM
1

How did the DNA evidence display a history of patriarchal societies?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:13 PM
1

Haha yeah but that’s part of the game. If you sleep with normal people it’s transactional on some level but you gotta pretend like it’s not and also nobody is obligated to pay up on any debts. You give and pray for reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:09 PM
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Im not British but Tate was smart when he came up with the concept of “escaping the matrix” working class people who watched their dads struggle to provide while he worked his ass off are just as likely to appreciate this message.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 04:57 PM
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Honey vs vinegar and all that…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 04:54 PM
1

They’re hoping the sex will lead to more access to his resources. There’s always a chance that a fish will just suck the bait off the lure without biting on the hook. It’s the same with dudes, sometimes all you get is a goodnight hug and a ghost after that lovely date that you paid for. It’s all a gamble.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 04:47 PM
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Yeah its impossible to know. Learning how to flirt and make things sexual and then gauging the response is the only way. How does she react to you hugging her or touching her in general? How does she react when you make a bawdy joke? How does she react when you stand a little too close? Women like it when they meet a man that way and they also sometimes dislike it. It’s contradictory and makes no sense but such is life. 1+1 does not always equal 2 when people are involved. I’ve been rejected by …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 04:26 PM
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I think there’s a certain validity to some of the gripes. The biggest thing I take issue with is people who espouse modern sensibilities about dating but haven’t actually done the work to shake some of the bad tendencies. Men who demand chastity yet want to put as many notches in their belt as possible. Women who demand modern sensibilities and then get turned off when their boyfriend does something that’s not perfectly masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 02:51 PM
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I think humans have done both over the course of history and neither is better or more natural than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 01:08 PM
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I just don’t know how you would change the system so what’s wrong with appealing to the things that people seem to prefer right now. The frustrating part about it is that I find most women are still partial to the stereotypical masculine archetype, yet many will adamantly insist that that is not the case. Many women still want to be confidently approached and courted, yet many will say that that is a lame or somehow inappropriate way to meet a lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 12:00 AM
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Literally got downvoted for believing women are smart and capable. I know I know…. I’m a disgusting pig.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:28 PM
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That or just be honest about what you like instead of lying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:22 PM
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I completely agree by the way. I wasn’t trying to be flippant. I think your stance illustrates an issue. The only reason red pill works is because there are widespread preferences for that specific brand of “archetype” Of course you should “be yourself” and just be normal. I take umbrage with telling men to stop doing a thing that works though. It’s kinda like the quote “it is easier for a camel to step through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven” Everyone has heard the quote…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:32 PM
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I just think it’s interesting that you said it will make dating worse. What’s a guy to do? Act in a way that will decrease his chances of getting laid or dating? It’s like the tragedy of the commons, whoever exploits the rules best gets the best outcomes. What’s the point in being “just” or “honorable” if nobody is giving out medals for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:12 PM
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How can you argue that red pill will make dating worse when red pill is literally about maximizing potential within the current status quo. If you think red pill will make things worse then you are admitting that there is something already wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 07:52 PM
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Don’t forget “get no bitches” is an insult that is common these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 06:29 PM
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Same but changing wiper blade, cleaning gutters etc. I’ve dated smart capable women who deferred to me on “man stuff” but like… they could have YouTubed how to replace the garbage disposal. To be honest I’d rather do dishes or laundry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 06:18 PM
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I should start wearing medals for each time I’ve stood up to creeps. Gotta let them know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 06:12 PM
2

Like I said. I understand. It’s just a bummer. Especially if you’re trying to learn to be more confident. Knowing that there’s this hurdle to overcome. Compounded by the fact that the less confident you are the more people perceive you as one of those bad guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 04:39 PM
1

Well disregard the advice about not approaching women at the coffee shop. Just do that. Nothing wrong with politely approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 03:30 PM
1

My opinion is no. Just expect everyone to cheat and you’ll never be disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:53 PM
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That men are violent predators. I think the source is a very real fear of men because of men who are criminals. I get it. However, I’m still allowed to complain about how it bums me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:49 PM
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Bahahaha don’t I know it!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:47 PM
1

What are some misconceptions about attraction that you’ve discovered along your journey?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:22 PM
3

Yeah it’s the socialism THATS what’s wrong with Christianity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:13 PM
2

Damn. I’m a fucking catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:50 PM
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Lol that’s funny. What do you suppose they did when they were single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:34 PM
1

Which groups are you referring to? I have seen feminists shame men for consuming porn and masturbating. Yet they have no issue with women participating in or consuming porn. Even normal, non feminist women are all about women’s sexual empowerment and the shaming of men’s sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:31 PM
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Come on…. You don’t honestly believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:20 PM
2

My point is that even modern, independent, feminist women sometimes have preferences that are in line with patriarchy and “toxic masculinity” Examples are “icks” that arise from inability or lack of desire to perform traditionally masculine stuff. You’re a feminist? Cool, go clean the gutters and I’ll take care of the laundry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:18 PM
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“I hate the patriarchy” “if you can’t hang a shelf then you’re not a real man” Which is it babe? Do you want me to do patriarchy or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:04 PM
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Im a man but I guess im in my midwestern mom era. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:02 PM
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Is she a “feminist” or is she like one of these she-woman-man-hater type gals. I’m cool with aspiring for equality and such. But not all this “down with the patriarchy, but also change my tire and if you can’t then you’re not A REAL MAN!”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:59 PM
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I feel this. I’ve always been good looking but years ago I realized that people respond better to handsome men when they’re borderline arrogant rather than acting all “awww shucks”. It’s frustrating after being taught that humility and modesty are sooooooooo important.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:56 PM
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Anyone else here jaded because they actually can get laid and have some experience with women? I’m so sick of people assuming that every man on here is an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:44 PM
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Cultivate a group of friends. Invite girls and make your friends look good. Perceived social status is a cheat code.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:43 PM
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I mean… is it a bad goal to stop on a middle ground and hold hands and be happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:40 PM
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100% so glad to see someone say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:41 PM
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How about a woman masturbating? Beautiful, empowering, learn your body! Explore what stimulates you! Not saying there’s anything wrong with that but keep that energy for all. Don’t turn around and say that men are gross for watching porn and cranking down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:35 PM
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Yes I think that there’s a lot of men who struggle with dating but are confused because they have solid relationships with women in their family, friend group, work etc. but can’t seem to get laid or a girlfriend. I think it’s because young men for a long time were really discouraged to show their sexual or romantic side. It was something heavily shamed in men in my age group. Only one way to get laid and that is to make a sexual advance. If you don’t feel comfortable doing that because of inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:02 PM
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I try to persuade people to be honest and take accountability. I don’t care what beliefs you have, I want to see you acknowledge hypocrisy and own up to things. You a red pill person? That’s fine but I want you to admit that while red pill may work, maybe it’s not the healthiest way to approach a relationship. Blue pill? That’s fine but I want you to admit that you’re position entirely depends on the rest of the world being fundamentally “just” which is just not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:47 PM
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And women justify it too. I’ve accepted that cheating is pretty normal and to be expected from any human being. People get so bent out of shape about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:37 PM
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If you see a lady you fancy, talk to her. Don’t let this BS stop you. I’m going to be as clear as possible. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH CHATTING POLITELY WITH STRANGERS IN PUBLIC. Stop stop STOP discouraging people from being social in public. In my opinion it’s part of the root of so many problems in this day and age. Not just dating wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:36 PM
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It’s just shaming. Trying to make men feel ashamed of their sex. Men are allowed to be sexual creatures. There’s nothing wrong with watching porn from time to time. What’s wrong is to pretend you aren’t a human being who wants sex from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:32 PM
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Red pill is all about maximizing your potential based on the most general attraction triggers and appealing to those most general preferences and biases. It’s not really concerned with the fact that this is a contradiction, because they see it as their contradiction. If other people are allowed to say “I’m sooooo independent yet I demand a man to pay for at least the first date and presumably much more” they see that and think. Well then I’m going to double or triple down on my contradictions. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:26 PM
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So long as who you are is benefiting someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:17 PM
1

It’s that classic trap. Say you’re enlightened and modern and above the patriarchal societal programming. But then also benefitting from it and actively fighting for it to continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:59 PM
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Of course there will be days when you’re doing chores and your partner is chilling. But then, there will be days when You’re one chilling. What’s important is to not let your biases influence you into perceiving yourself as some martyr who does everything. Because likely that’s not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:55 PM
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Thanks bro, I hope you have a good lift today!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:28 PM
1

It’s dominant in certain circles. For instance, I was raised by women and I was always the perfect gentleman. Now I realize that there’s aspects of being ungentlemanly that are VERY important in generating attraction and “spark” and romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:50 PM
2

Until you succeed. Then you get jaded and realize all that shit was lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:39 PM
2

Therapy works but it won’t make other people treat you better. That’s what their therapy is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 06:56 PM
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My experience is it made my relationships with women in my life worse because all the sudden I was empowered to say things like. “That wasn’t nice” or “I don’t like the way you’re talking to me” or in general I felt empowered to share more about my feelings which for some reason always causes problems. In a lot of ways I think it frustrated the women in my life that I was all the sudden looking out for myself and not so easily manipulated. Or they were just not prepared to do any of the listenin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 06:27 PM
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It is always interesting to watch people do mental gymnastics around this. Being jealous and controlling is bad, yet it’s inherent inherent to monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 06:05 PM
1

If they’re not Christian, disregard 3&4.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:55 PM
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You could say that “because I feel a certain way, I will behave accordingly is logical/rational” because you’re acting on your perception of a thing. However, those feelings often need to be tempered by your higher minded reasoning. We all desire things that are bad for us from time to time. That’s not very logical. I want cigarette, I smoke cigarette. That’s logical I guess. But so is cigarette bad for health, avoid cigarette.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:15 PM
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Waiting for response from data demanders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:42 PM
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I think it’s naive to pretend that men and women don’t have certain biases that are not aligned with the modern sensibilities. Empirically hard to prove levels of dissatisfaction in a relationship, especially when people are afraid of being judged for their shallow preferences or biases. Just like in public forums like these. People will say “I know plenty of couples who have made it through this” so have I, but I won’t pretend that there weren’t certain resentments at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:22 PM
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Exactly. I’ve seen people work through it but not before some serious work to overcome the mental hurdle. We can argue whether it’s natural or social programming. But I think it’s naive to pretend women don’t feel a certain type of way about this. I’m a man but I can admit I have base instincts that are not always good. I think everyone should acknowledge that they are fighting the lizard brain demons to behave like a modern person, rather than pretend they don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:13 PM
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And even enlightened women who claim to have modern sensibilities have to do lots of work to reverse this or work through it. Seen it loads. Although it’s very rare that the lady admits this. Usually the guy loses job and she leaves him for some completely different reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:40 PM
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More accountability on all sides would be appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:36 PM
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Broke? Jobless? Sure. Debt? Not so sure about that. Though I do have a weakness for smart/badass career women. I would date someone like that mentioned in op, but I wouldn’t necessarily pay their bills or caudle them. I’d be trying to build them up so they’re not completely dependent on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:24 PM
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I wish more people would recognize this. My whole point is that even if it makes women uncomfortable sometimes, it’s really the best way to meet women. In public, face to face. Making it sexual or romantic with double entendres and subtle physical contact. YMMV though I guess I am kinda blessed like you comprehensive-bed35 with some things that women really value. But I never really maximized my potential until I realized the above things. If you’re a good dude then things will fall into your la…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:15 PM
2

How do you feel about the OP then? It’s basically saying that not all these successful men are assholes but act masculine in a way that women desire. What do you think people mean by “asshole” when discussing this “asshole vs nice guy” stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 10:31 PM
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The problem is many were raised to believe being masculine=being an asshole. Or you that being masculine is actually unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 09:56 PM
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I think these discussions would be better if we agreed that “assholes” are just guys who aren’t afraid to approach women with romantic or sexual intent, in spite of the societal programming we get about how that’s vulgar, scary, or somehow wrong. Furthermore “nice guys” are just good guys who never learned to make romantic or sexual advances. Basically the guys who listened to all that societal programming. Assholes are not “assholes” per se and nice guys aren’t sneaky creeps who demand sex in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 09:36 PM
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Because people say the “right thing” to do is to date with intention and really choose good partners. Yet there is a deep bias in people to want what is “in demand”. So that is frustrating I think to lots of people. That the “right thing” is very rarely the “cool thing” or the “sexy thing” People seem to value fast, death trap cars, over safe, fuel efficient cars. It makes no sense, yet it is the way the world is. That’s why my point is: if you can’t beat them, join them. Don’t whine about “I di…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:13 PM
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Tings have fallen into my lap over the years but I think I’m just lucky in a lot of departments women care about. But as a rule, trying harder at anything tends to yield better results than not trying hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:24 PM
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It’s just a kind dismissal. A way to say “I don’t want to talk about that with you” but nicer. Ugly guy has relationship problems? “You’re great and you deserve love” but really what that person wants/needs to say is “lower your standards” “work out” “make some money” “generate more leads” “flirt with everyone, get rejected, try again” But those things are harder conversations to have so instead you say “everyone is unique and special, you will find a person with unique and special interests”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:21 PM
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Well yeah most people are decent but an increase of jerks from 2% to 6% is a trend worth noting, no? People think they deserve x for doing y but truthfully you only deserve what you are able to obtain. If you don’t get it, and that bums you out, you had a sense of entitlement to that thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:15 PM
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That’s a society problem though. Not a man problem. The truth for EVERYONE is that you get exactly what you deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:50 PM
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You can look for a healthy relationship while “exploring” and just slanging it around town. I honestly think that’s probably the best way to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:47 PM
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I think it’s pretty much correct on diagnosing what women like. All the things women hate to admit or pretend like it’s a niche thing to like (insert widely held preference). I think it’s important to note that what works is not always what is BEST. Selling a product using pressure sales that nobody really wants or benefits from is lame but you could probably get rich doing that. Selling a product that people actually want and need, and selling it in an ethical manner. Might not make as much mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:53 PM
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Good for getting laid, not great for relationship longevity, different playbooks for different situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:45 PM
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Yeah you gotta listen to your sleazy uncle for that early game/pick up game. Mom has the advice for how to stay married. Depending on the mom. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:41 PM
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I don’t know. I was raised by women and I feel like I was raised to be the perfect husband. I think a lot of men are raised to be good partners. The problem is there is no family member who is going to tell you how to get laid or be ATTRACTIVE. Except maybe the crazy uncle who nobody listens to because “oh he’s crazy” but honestly that crazy uncle advice is what gets the girl, all the enlightenment and modern sensibilities are how you keep a relationship going over time. TLDR: your mum will like…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:38 PM
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I think every scenario here can be broken down to confidence. A nice guy pretending like he is the man and assuming every girl wants to be with him gets the same results z
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 08:59 PM
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It works as a chat bot. If a human man changed everything about themselves to be more in line with your preferences they would be a “nice guy”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 08:19 PM
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So why aren’t people more honest? Why the cloak and dagger?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:42 PM
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I agree except it kinda minimizes the excruciating male experience of “waiting” while girls can “explore” to their hearts content. I think it’s important to get out there and “explore” so that you don’t look all inexperienced and lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:27 PM
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Men should feel empowered to express their sexuality and pursue women without shame. I totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:22 PM
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I think a lot of us were raised to believe that our presence is inherently obnoxious or even carries the threat of violence to other people especially men’s presence in proximity to women. I think the asshole thing comes from the fact that THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SPEAKING TO, OR OTHERWISE ENGAGING WITH STRANGERS (YES EVEN WOMEN) IN PUBLIC. Many people bought into the lie that there is somehow something wrong with approaching a girl and making things sexual or romantic. So anyone who does tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:21 PM
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Somewhere along the line the lie was spread that ALL male attention is vulgar and potentially violent and predatory. Some men said “wow, I really don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable or give that impression.” Other men said “who cares if I make some percentage of women uncomfortable with my approaches, there’s bound to be some who will accept my advances” It’s all exacerbated by the gaslighting lies about “men shouldn’t approach anywhere” and “men need to be more bold and approach more” Osten…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:10 PM
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