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FeminismSource_or_gtfo/r/MensRights16/03/17 06:17 PM
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Social IssuesSource_or_gtfo/r/MensRights05/08/19 08:13 AM
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FeminismSource_or_gtfo/r/MensRights19/05/18 08:42 PM
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Edu./Occu.Source_or_gtfo/r/MensRights26/07/17 09:26 PM
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Source_or_gtfo/r/MensRights05/08/17 08:32 PM
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What happens when they marry and have kids with someone who also has two last names?
/r/MensRights01/10/21 12:56 PM
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This was in 2009. Can't imagine it happening today.
/r/MensRights13/11/20 04:08 PM
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You're entitled to sexual wantedness. If they can't give you that (within reason), they have let you down, no less than with any other normal, central part of the relationship.
/r/MensRights17/10/20 10:19 PM
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I'm not sure what you're implying with "guinea pig". They're an equal partner who should (within reason) want you back as a sexual equal. Mutual sexual attraction is a naturally central part of the relationship.
/r/MensRights17/10/20 10:01 PM
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If we truly lived in a "patriarchal society" in the way feminists mean, this would have happened as soon as it became technologically feasible. Or at the very least paternity fraud would be a crime, and would carry a sentence similar to rape.
/r/MensRights17/10/20 06:54 PM
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Steven Pinker's "The better angels of our nature" has a similar graph about the US. Female on male domestic homicide rates have dropped. Male on female domestic homicide rates have stayed the same (iirc).
/r/MensRights17/10/20 03:27 PM
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Start calling yourself an "anti-sexist" and oppose the term feminism on the grounds of it being intriniscally sexist. Oppose all explicit gender discrimination and treat sexism at face value.
/r/MensRights17/10/20 01:55 PM
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If they loved you they'd care about how much they are letting you and the relationship down by not wanting to have sex with you.
/r/MensRights17/10/20 01:11 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6z1j4i/have_you_ever_beat_up_a_boyfriend_cause_uh_we/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/67ukkm/hot_sauce_in_condoms_outrage_in_2009_jezebel_was/ Or you could try the search bar if you haven't already.
/r/MensRights29/09/20 02:41 PM
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This is what I think when I hear "toxic femininity". It would just be an excuse to push anti-female stereotypes, which is how I see "toxic masculinity" being used against men. The problem with "toxic masculinity"/"toxic femininity" is that proving a singular "ultimate motive" for such social phenomena would be extremely difficult, if not impossible. THAT is precisely the line that feminism crosses against men. However, here are some links that might help: https://time.com/women-are-sexist-too/?x…
/r/MensRights22/09/20 04:56 PM
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Harmed, catastrophically. Public opinion has undergone a huge feminist shift since his election. Reddit used to be, ime, on the whole, pro-mra.
/r/MensRights22/09/20 04:32 PM
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Taxpayer-funded birth control is a good idea.
/r/MensRights09/09/20 06:27 PM
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I don't see your statement backed up in the article. Only references to this year's results.
/r/MensRights09/09/20 05:56 PM
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Do you have a source for that?
/r/MensRights19/08/20 12:17 AM
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I'm guessing something like this.
/r/MensRights26/07/20 03:10 PM
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An emotionalised, presumption-making feminist article about a 50s tv comedy does not prove how 50s american culture actually worked on the ground, let alone all 20th century western gender roles.
/r/MensRights27/06/20 08:29 PM
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From the sidebar : https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main
/r/MensRights27/06/20 07:44 PM
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I presume you don't mean this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFLLw7JcU74
/r/MensRights27/06/20 07:09 PM
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Sorry you got no advice, maybe try /r/legaladvice
/r/MensRights18/06/20 04:17 PM
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Could you elaborate on this?
/r/MensRights26/04/20 04:02 PM
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https://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ereycr/a_third_of_the_worlds_poorest_girls_aged_between/ff5m5uf/
/r/MensRights22/01/20 06:22 PM
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Paternity fraud should be a crime.
/r/MensRights22/01/20 06:03 PM
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Are we talking about attacks by strangers? Men happen to have a strength advantage over women. It's about bad people who happen to be male (on average) having superior opportunity, not men having superior malevolence (or socially legitimate "power"), either in general, or towards women specifically.
/r/MensRights02/01/20 07:08 PM
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The logic would be the same as men supporting the emotional repression of men. A female position of superior sexual value is weakened if a stronger "position of least interest" is given up on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 08:59 PM
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No. If anything, the opposite.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 07:49 PM
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This might help explain some of it : The cultural suppression of female sexuality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 07:15 PM
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http://archive.fo/oCIRb
/r/MensRights18/10/19 09:30 AM
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http://archive.fo/oCIRb
/r/MensRights18/10/19 09:23 AM
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Vegan B12 is synthetic, but you can get it from a multivitamin, and is commonly added to all sorts of foods. DHA/EPA you can get from algae oil. A lot of people just want excuses to shit on veganism, this can include ex-vegans who want an excuse to give it up. Given this, unless it's a peer-reviewed meta-analysis, its not worth much.
/r/MensRights28/09/19 09:33 PM
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"retarded" and "cunt" are now hate speech? I like how they characterise this sub as among the "whiniest" subreddits, they're not even pretending to be impartial and professional about it.
/r/MensRights28/09/19 08:23 PM
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Egalitarian - someone who believes in gender equality. Feminist - Someone who sees gender injustice as a sufficiently one-sided issue that using the term "feminism" to denote opposition to it is completely appropriate. Or else someone who has no problem given tacit support to the large, powerful movement centrally based on that attitude. MRA - Someone who sees sexism as involving an unignorable anti-male component which cant accurately or fairly be reduced to "patriarchy backfiring on men", and …
/r/MensRights28/09/19 08:17 PM
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It is possible to get a full diet from non-animal sources, including all vitamins and omega 3s.
/r/MensRights28/09/19 07:56 PM
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https://www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/the-myth-of-patriarchal-oppression-in-iran/
/r/MensRights28/09/19 07:51 PM
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Yes, but to be a good ally you need to shut up, stand back, listen & believe, and never invalidate a man's lived experience /s.
/r/MensRights25/09/19 01:11 PM
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All "art" is a load of shit, therefore this effect is most certainly a legitimate bias against women. Pretending pro-male/anti-female biases don't exist in any areas and generalizing women's paintings as "crap" only confirms feminist stereotypes and works against us getting people to see the chronic and catastrophic one-sidedness of feminism.
/r/MensRights23/09/19 06:03 PM
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I’m having a hard time believing that someone told that to a kid. Why? That used to be standard chivalry. It's pretty much the message I was raised with, which I was acutely aware of at the time. "Male disposability" is a strong term, MRAs aren't using it for hyperboly.
/r/MensRights20/09/19 09:12 AM
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This is nothing new, if anything these attitudes have decreased in the last two decades.
/r/MensRights19/09/19 08:11 PM
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Concern troll confirmed. Btw, if you believe that men's gendered problems are but a mere side effect of sexism against women, I don't see why you'd think they need any particular focus at all.
/r/MensRights19/09/19 11:08 AM
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For those excluded from the mainstream discussion of equality to focus on criticizing the mainstream approach so as to demonstrate why and how it needs to change, so as they can achieve their goals with mainstream support (which is the only way things can truly change) is to be expected. To not focus on criticizing feminism (given the current position of feminism) is simply not possible without turning ones back on the central goals of the MRM, which cannot be served under a feminist framework. …
/r/MensRights18/09/19 10:49 PM
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What do you call a woman that defends her rights without shitting on men’s rights? A gender egalitarian or an anti-sexist. She could call herself a "womans rights activist", but imo "mens rights" is only neccessary because of feminism, so if there was no feminism thered be no need for mens rights, just everyone being egalitarians together.
/r/MensRights18/09/19 08:57 PM
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I wonder how much of the authors impression of female nudity having been more common than male nudity is based on them counting female but not male toplessness as "nudity".
/r/MensRights13/09/19 05:35 PM
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Do you have a link to that study?
/r/MensRights13/09/19 05:28 PM
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People can claim this is not feminism, but its clearly marketed at some demographic, it's not "traditional patriarchy" and it cant just be ignored.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 04:32 PM
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Apologies, I thought I'd leave this post up because it needs more attention.
/r/MensRights05/08/19 02:44 PM
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/about-fathers/200806/maternal-gatekeeping-do-mothers-limit-fathers-involvement-their-kids
/r/MensRights17/06/19 07:48 AM
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I can't see the post, but assuming it's the argument I think it is. Gender-related laws passed by people who happen to be men do not exist in a cultural vacuum, but are based on much broader social norms outside of the political realm. With regards the draft in the US specifically, the ERA (which would have forced gender neutrality) was successfully stopped by a female-headed campaign called "Stop Taking Our Priveleges".
/r/MensRights30/04/19 08:00 PM
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Feminists will claim this is compatible with "choice feminism", but "choice feminism" is one big logical contradiction. If wanting to be a sahp is a valid non-degrading choice, how can the male role be declared to be the "priveleged" one and the female role the "oppressed" one? If a woman can hold those values, why can't a man? Why shouldn't he, under his values, consider the female role to be the "priveleged" one, in which case how is feminism (rather than egalitarianism) justifiable?
/r/MensRights09/03/19 12:03 AM
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Iirc Warren Farrell collected a few, years ago. Hope that helps.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:17 PM
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Iirc Warren Farrell collected a few, years back.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:16 PM
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As a non-American, it's interesting, and very telling that it's republicans now bringing forward these bills, while democrats have been claiming to be the advancers of gender equality for decades.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 03:02 PM
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In your opinion what would an ideal advert for Gillette be? Not who you replied to, but to make up for the previous one? An ad showing female gendered selfishness and calling on women to be better towards men.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 02:48 PM
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This would ironically make a lot of feminist complaints about male behaviour make a whole lot more sense...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 03:38 PM
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There have been a few surveys here over the years. I remember saving this from a previous one.
/r/MensRights08/02/19 10:42 AM
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P&G defended the ad. If this video is correct, boycotting Gillette won't be enough. Only by boycotting ALL the major P&G brands will this ad have backfired.
/r/MensRights07/02/19 07:26 PM
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This study looking at victims rather than offenders is much clearer : The most striking fact is that even in vehicular homicides where the choice of victim is fairly random, offenders killing blacks receive sentences lengths that are 53 percent lower than the sentences received by offenders who kill whites. Offenders killing men receive sentences that are 56 percent lower than sentences received by offenders who kill women.
/r/MensRights30/01/19 10:06 PM
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Public toplessness.
/r/MensRights29/01/19 11:59 AM
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In a lot of western countries, unmarried fathers have no automatic rights with regards their children.
/r/MensRights29/01/19 11:58 AM
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It’s men who benefit from nearly all of society's traditions, structures and power imbalances, almost exclusively at the expense of women. Women get a raw deal in almost every aspect of life. Yes, "the same side". I suppose this is "moderate feminism", apart from the "vocal minority".
/r/MensRights26/01/19 03:40 PM
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List of most popular P&G brands : Always menstrual hygiene products Ariel laundry detergent Bounty paper towels, sold in the United States and Canada Charmin bathroom tissue and moist towelettes Crest toothpaste Clancy's Potato Chips, Stackerz, etc... Dawn dishwashing Downy fabric softener and dryer sheets Fairy washing up liquid Febreze odor eliminator Gain laundry detergents, Gillette razors, shaving soap, shaving cream, body wash, shampoo, deodorant and anti-perspirant Head & Shoulders shampo…
/r/MensRights16/01/19 11:06 PM
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This "scale" is bullshit. But it's bullshit for the exact same reason feminist scales are bullshit, and ultimately for the exact same reason feminism as a whole is bullshit.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 06:59 PM
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I was talking about the "withholding affection" part. I can't imagine reddit feminists supporting that.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 08:10 PM
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Do you have a source for that?
/r/MensRights06/01/19 06:55 PM
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It was not illegal. It was not seen as "perfectly cool", it was just not seen as the same as full blown rape. Mary Koss famously (not too many years ago) described female on male rape as "unwanted contact" (rather than rape), so I guess you could say marital rape was seen as "marital unwanted contact" in the same sort of way. Largely this was because rape was seen as being about sex rather than power, and social morality was such that people in marriage were seen as having not so much a right to…
/r/MensRights06/01/19 06:45 PM
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Pornography was also often illegal until quite recently.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 04:34 PM
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Feelings fallacy. Women have their attractiveness validated vastly more than men, it's built into gender roles.
/r/MensRights05/01/19 05:21 PM
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Men and boys are more violent, but the vast bulk of this is towards other members of their own sex, which contradicts claims of "male violence" as "evidence of male privelege". The reasons for this extra violence are imo intrasexual competition and a role of violence-wielder when it comes to inter-group/inter-family conflict. If we were to propose the evolution of a greater tendency to violence in men, if we also propose an evolutionary situation of average equal social power/privelege in both s…
/r/MensRights02/01/19 02:33 PM
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Women are disadvantaged and discriminated against in some areas, men in others, that does not make women the oppressed and men the oppressors. These motivational quotes aren't just perpetuating sexism, but a selective female-serving version of it, something which pervades our culture and is chronically unacknowledged as a direct result of feminism and it's associated evidenceless pseudoscience.
/r/MensRights28/12/18 10:07 PM
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Is this it?
/r/MensRights28/12/18 09:11 PM
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So you're using feminist arguments of "patriarchy" to justify the exact sort of anti-male double standards MRAs are against? You're exemplifying exactly why addressing pro-female/anti-male sexism requires anti-feminism.
/r/MensRights28/12/18 09:02 PM
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Hating men is what feminism is based on, you're saying that they're your oppressors. It's normal to hate your oppressors. Exactly. Those feminists that most people think of as "extreme/radical feminists" are really feminist fundamentalists. Their views are entirely rational if you accept the central axioms of feminist thought.
/r/MensRights20/12/18 09:25 PM
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"Illegitimate" has an old-fashioned meaning which has nothing to do with paternity fraud. Iirc, paternity fraud rates are around 2-4%.
/r/MensRights10/12/18 10:10 PM
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They are misandric bigots. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/40phx3/action_opportunity_reject_overt_and_illegal/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9yt6kj/australias_mensline_whose_coordinator_once_called/ There are a few more threads you can find if you search "mensline" on the sidebar.
/r/MensRights10/12/18 10:06 PM
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Word choices have political implications. It says a lot. It's not just a case that the mainstream core of the feminist movement held back equality for men and boys (if not actively promoted sexism), but it has done so in a very specific way which could not have happened if "feminism" was not supported by people rather than something gender neutral. I'm not saying being an MRA is valid because there are male-specific issues, but because acknowledgement and opposition to anti-male sexism is virtua…
/r/MensRights08/12/18 11:08 PM
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I don't consider "women's rights" to be sexist. I would ask why there is a need for someone to preferentially identify as a "women's rights activist" (rather than an anti-sexist) given that women's rights issues already dominate the cultural conversation on equality. But ultimately, yes, a gender neutral equality movement which treats sexism at face value in terms of who is directly victimising who (rather than relying upon speculative frameworks) would be much better than the current situation …
/r/MensRights08/12/18 10:19 PM
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If you don't think that female privilege exists? Why would there be any need for men's rights? It seems you're not taking the idea of men's rights seriously from the very beginning. If you really do want to know : being judged as morally superior, being judged as parentally superior, and domestically superior, being afforded a greater level of compassion and victimhood, having your physical safety/comfort and even your life itself be more valued, being judged as being of superior attractiveness/…
/r/MensRights08/12/18 06:28 PM
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The MRM is anti-feminist precisely because the feminist view of sexism stands directly in the way of the MRM's goals. Even if a feminist doesn't share those views, they clearly don't give a shit either way, otherwise their "feminist" identification would have always come a distant second to their gender egalitarianism and (in today's information age) they would simply no longer call themselves feminists, not just so as to not provide cover and support for views they are allegedly strongly oppose…
/r/MensRights08/12/18 06:07 PM
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I don't disagree with you, but you've picked an extremely trivial example, which diminishes the actual anti-sexism which pervades our culture.
/r/MensRights08/12/18 05:49 PM
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And that is why the MRM is so anti-feminist. You're not on "the same side", you have a worldview that is fundamentally incompatible with that of the MRM and it's goals. One which is imo, profoundly warped, and based ultimately on the EXACT anti-male sexism that the MRM is against, and that it sees feminism as promoting. If we look, for example, at the OECD quality of life stats, your view is not seen : 1, 2. Of course, that's just their opinion, because people are allowed to value different thin…
/r/MensRights08/12/18 04:50 PM
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Humanitarian feminism is grossly corrupt. Here's just one example : I once challenged a colleague at another NGO on a ‘fact’ she was using on Bolivia. ‘Well, it’s politically true’, she replied with a grin.
/r/MensRights07/12/18 03:05 PM
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They shouldn't identify as feminists then.
/r/MensRights07/12/18 02:56 PM
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Ask those women what happens if a woman demands all that stuff whilst also demanding the highest possible standard of equality whenever it suits her? Something which can, and does exist. When you go to a fancy hotel and there's a guy there to open the door for you, is he there to assert dominance over you on behalf of the hotel? Do world leaders open their own car doors or carry their own bags? If a rich man hires a bodyguard, does that make the bodyguard his social superior? Women are the benef…
/r/MensRights05/12/18 11:30 PM
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If feminists genuinely believed in equality of outcome for both sexes, it would not be anywhere near as big a problem.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 11:22 AM
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Boys develop slower than girls.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 01:17 PM
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www.realsexism.com
/r/MensRights29/11/18 01:54 PM
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From what I can gather "mental anguish" was considered a legitimate reason? Correct me if I'm wrong...
/r/MensRights25/11/18 11:02 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4yl4dx/if_a_boy_a_girl_a_cat_and_a_dog_were_abandoned_in/
/r/MensRights21/11/18 10:33 PM
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A state pension is about providing a minimum guarantee to everyone. If those men who earned more didn't invest it why should they be given more?
/r/MensRights09/11/18 11:28 PM
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Of course feminists, leftists and even the UN are throwing a fit, but I think it's a clear step in the right direction. Some sources on that would be great!
/r/MensRights04/11/18 02:34 PM
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I love women who use their gender and their sexuality within their lives I can't imagine a man getting away with saying something similar in reverse...
/r/MensRights28/10/18 04:06 PM
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Caitlin Moranis the feminist who had an abortion when she discovered she was expecting a son Do you have a source for that? Can't find it on google...
/r/MensRights20/10/18 06:57 PM
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Donald "women are better than men" Trump, MRA /s.
/r/MensRights17/10/18 09:27 PM
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Sounds interesting. Do you have a link?
/r/MensRights17/10/18 08:59 PM
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liberals who want to control free speech The term "liberal" comes from the word "liberty". "Authoritarian liberal" is an oxymoron. Those people are "progressives".
/r/MensRights17/10/18 09:01 AM
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Yes. A lot of fringe casuals (aka "nominal feminists") buy the "feminism is just about equality" line. No serious feminist is not anti-male though.
/r/MensRights28/09/18 05:58 PM
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Nothing in your link backs up your statement. Post history confirms troll.
/r/MensRights15/09/18 02:19 PM
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Why would the woman's reputation be ruined? Is feminism in favour of a sexist view of sex?
/r/MensRights14/08/18 02:29 PM
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Here's an international study on relationship violence in college students, if that's any use.
/r/MensRights14/08/18 12:10 PM
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"Men are harmed", mistakes were made. The passive voice gives away the underlying attitudes, even "men are victimized" would be vastly better. This is a more deniable form of bait and switch, where an impression is given of a more moderate stance, without actually changing stance, pope francis does this a lot.
/r/MensRights28/07/18 03:50 PM
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bell hooks : Understanding Patriarchy. It's a quick enough read. Spoiler : It's exactly how MRAs depict feminism.
/r/MensRights28/07/18 03:47 PM
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She was a casual fringe feminist, not part of the established core of the movement. At the end of the film she said she is no longer a feminist, she never said she was an anti-feminist.
/r/MensRights28/07/18 02:06 PM
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Advancing old-fashioned sexism is progressive /s!
/r/MensRights21/06/18 06:20 PM
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Yes.
/r/MensRights20/06/18 11:24 PM
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Can we not bring irrelevant politics and lazy stereotypes into this? Veganism is perfectly compatible with being an MRA.
/r/MensRights05/06/18 11:13 PM
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A similar study was done a while back without asking for feminist identification. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7m7abv/people_are_significantly_more_willing_to_harm_men/
/r/MensRights05/06/18 11:05 PM
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http://time.com/women-are-sexist-too/
/r/MensRights05/06/18 10:41 PM
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Assault on a female, 1, 2. In North Carolina, if an assault is committed against a male, the perpetrator (whether male or female) is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. But if a male over 18 years of age commits an assault on a female, it is a Class A1 misdemeanor (the same classification as when a person inflicts serious injury upon another person or uses a deadly weapon). N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-33. This difference in classification means that male defendants who assault females receive greater sent…
/r/MensRights20/05/18 09:24 PM
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Women don't necessarily need direct institutional power to oppress men. They merely need social power and connection to men who have institutional power. It can't be assumed that people of one sex will automatically favour those of the same sex, men and women are simply too evolutionarily inter-dependant for that. "Patriarchy" is used by feminists to describe a system of blanket unidirectional favouring of males over females. If that is not what you mean, you should use different terminology. De…
/r/MensRights18/05/18 05:54 PM
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Because for a lot of people the mrm isn't about "men's issues", it's about sexism against men, specifically. Some people see that as a "negative focus", so be it. I see a "positive focus" as a distraction, bucketing water over the dam instead of breaking it down.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 01:36 PM
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I think it's bad, for the same reason I think women only workplace initiatives are bad. The ends don't justify the means.
/r/MensRights08/05/18 06:51 PM
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I once read a comment on /r/redpillwomen saying "I used to think less attractive men were privileged just to be in the same room as me". From one extreme to the other. I would be wary of anyone who could ever think something like that. You do have to wonder about a guy who hears something of that magnitude promoted as a "typical male attitude" and thinks "yep, that's most guys exactly" or worse, "shit, that's me".
/r/MensRights23/04/18 10:50 PM
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Even feminists admit this. I wish. That would logically lead to an acknowledgement of feminist sexual values being hierarchy-enhancing rather than hierarchy attenuating.
/r/MensRights23/04/18 09:30 PM
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It's hilarious that we're supposed to see a goddess-worshipping matriarchy as a positive thing. Really shows the attitude of a whole lot of feminists.
/r/MensRights23/04/18 08:05 PM
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Here. It was surprisingly difficult to find. No idea where the case is now.
/r/MensRights10/04/18 10:50 PM
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Iirc there is another, separate challenge by a woman. Apparently the lack of the right to be forced into combat is the real discrimination here. Guess which would be more convenient for a whole load of people to be the winning case?
/r/MensRights10/04/18 03:40 PM
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why not try and work with the feminist movement? Because even supposedly "man-friendly" feminists hold views like this: I think women face more challenges, the majority of which are created by men. But on the flip side men also face challenges due to their gender, but these problems are often created by men as well. If feminists appropriately acknowledged the reality of female-perpetrated anti-male sexism as a thing of power (and privelege)-seeking selfishness, it wouldn't be "feminism" - they'd…
/r/MensRights26/03/18 05:25 PM
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When AVFM emailed them, Michael Kimmel replied. Here is his bio on the Stonybrook website : He is a founder and Spokesperson for the National Organization for Men Against Sexism ( NOMAS) and lectures extensively on campuses and in corporations in the U.S. and abroad. Also of note : He consults regularly with the Ministries for Gender Equality in Norway and Sweden, and delivered the International Women's Day lecture at the European Parliament, the Council of Europe, the European Commission, and t…
/r/MensRights24/03/18 06:18 PM
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Liberal means freedom. A sexually liberal society is in theory compatible with lifelong monogamy. The distinction between political values and cultural values is something western society has problems with too, just often in an anti-traditional direction. The philosophical argument would be that if you have to force people into something, then it's not true love, so there can't be anything "higher" about it. I guess you could say there's a culture war going on, people have all sorts of values, r…
/r/MensRights18/03/18 02:23 PM
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Yet arguments about "toxic masculinity" are being pushed by feminists.
/r/MensRights10/03/18 04:35 PM
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So why is talk of "toxic femininity" from feminists so rare (and when it does exist, it's typically about women being too selfless, being too nice, not about selfish power-seeking attitudes in women which ultimately harms both sexes)? MRAs do talk about the pressure to "man up" a lot, one common phrase in the MRM is "when someone tells you to "man up" they're trying to convince you to do something against your own interests". The difference is MRAs won't call it "toxic masculinity". There's a re…
/r/MensRights10/03/18 04:04 PM
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I'm aware of the run-ins Warren Farrell, Erin Pizzey (and others) had with the feminist movement at that time, but not of any specific, organised MRM.
/r/MensRights21/02/18 08:21 PM
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sources from the 70s showing how the MRM actually began and who early MRAs were I'm not a feminist, but would be very interested in that.
/r/MensRights21/02/18 05:28 PM
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instead of saying "patriarchy", you can say "matriarchy" Or you know, gender norms.
/r/MensRights14/02/18 12:14 AM
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What about 1 innocent person in 50, as feminist stats would have us believe? There shouldn't even be a trial, automatic life in prison upon accusation /s.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 07:48 PM
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Changing attitudes towards fathers' rights are likely a factor in this too.
/r/MensRights06/02/18 05:04 PM
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Yes, somebody has dammed up the river, so we should be bucketing water over the dam instead of breaking it down!
/r/MensRights05/02/18 11:08 PM
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More American men than women killed themselves by poisoning - disproving the "methods" argument.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 09:54 PM
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Humanitarian feminism is grossly corrupt. You can push "progressive racism" (aka outgroup men as psychopath-level misogynists) and nobody bats an eye.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 10:27 PM
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Germain Greer might be firmly in the "patriarchy" man-hater camp, but her attitudes on sex have always been very un-feminist. You could probably say married women should be banned from the workplace and be seen as more feminist than her, based on that alone. She came out in the past and basically said that society's view of how bad rape is has been massively overblown.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:07 PM
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Why should it be women who get to define what equality should look like? Why is it men who are stuck arguing sex differences? Why not flip it around? There was an old, 60s/70s idea out there that gender roles left men emotionally repressed and women sexually repressed, and therefore equality (in any actually socially positive direction) meant men should become emotionally more like women, and women should become sexually more like men. Certain feminists, such as Germaine Greer, despite being gen…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:13 PM
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http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.ie/2015/04/how-britain-voted-1974-2010-split-by.html More men voted labour and more women voted conservative in the UK for most elections from 1974-2010.
/r/MensRights15/01/18 09:32 PM
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According to the world bank : the world's poor are equally divided by gender From this politifact article referencing the above report: The report’s lead economist Kathleen Beegle said actually, men are slightly worse off than women -- males account for 50.1 percent of the very poorest people. Beegle and her team based this on the International Income Distribution Database, a compilation of about 600 surveys across 73 countries.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 12:54 PM
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If feminist sexual values are the way things have to be, absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 04:44 PM
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You don't need feminism for women's rights any more than you need religion for kindness.
/r/MensRights24/12/17 12:13 AM
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I said it's not biology. I was satirising feminism, if that wasn't clear.
/r/MensRights15/12/17 11:22 PM
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This comment might be seen as sexist, but it's not. It's not biology, but "toxic femininity" which has women act as perpetual children, as well as just being generally THE selfish, stupid and all round inferior sex in almost every way (to a colossal prejudice-justifying degree). As masculists, destroying gynocracy will end toxic femininity and bring women up to our level. Masculism really isn't misogynist at all, I don't see why feminists can't see that.
/r/MensRights15/12/17 05:08 PM
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Can you imagine a similar reverse-gendered image?
/r/MensRights13/12/17 05:24 PM
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Exactly. Imo, men's rights isn't about "men's issues", it's about anti-male sexism, specifically. A huge amount can be achieved simply by lifting discrimination and challenging feminist narratives, without need for any special services or considerations specifically for men. Calling that a "negative focus" is an obfuscating tactic.
/r/MensRights21/11/17 08:56 PM
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As indeed they should. The fact that most negative stereotypes about women (unlike those about men) are true* is not due to biology, but "toxic femininity", which as masculists we want to help women with. *We know this to be true, because masculist theory asserts it a priori, and given that masculist theory is scientific fact up there with the laws of thermodynamics, there is no need for evidence, and anyone who doesn't agree or doesn't agree that masculism is just about equality (and nothing el…
/r/MensRights16/11/17 01:18 PM
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But that's actually misogyny, because people who hold sexist attitudes against men always (without exception) also hold sexist attitudes against women, and those are objectively, scientifically vastly more dispriveleging - not as a matter of personal opinion, but as a matter of objective fact, because feminist theory has been so thoroughly proven and is not at all a pseudoscience, that it has actually managed to transcend the fact/value gap, something which other, lesser, fields still have to re…
/r/MensRights13/11/17 09:55 PM
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Competitive respect =/= all respect, let alone all social valuation. Look up the "women are wonderful" effect. There is a large, powerful, vocal movement tackling one set of stereotypes, but very often doing more to endorse rather than rail against the other. Saying that you think all these horrid misandric stereotypes are true because of "toxic masculinity" instead of "testosterone poisoning" doesn't help as much as you might think. It always strikes me as odd that so many supposedly loving, ca…
/r/MensRights13/11/17 09:41 PM
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People have different focuses and want different things, I don't think that's a mark against a movement. Personally, men's rights is not about "men's issues", it's very specifically about ending sexism against men - by raising awareness, countering feminist theory (which doesn't recognise sexism against men as a valid concept) and having fair, gender neutral universal liberal/egalitarian principles enshrined legislatively/constitutionally and held to institutionally. I guess you could call that …
/r/MensRights13/11/17 09:27 PM
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So much internalised misogyny...
/r/MensRights09/11/17 12:37 AM
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I'm against it. I'm not saying sexist double standards against women don't exist. But people who advance them (especially in the numbers we're talking about) don't typically claim to be fighting some moral fight against sexism - that's the hypocrisy we're talking about. It's also worth pointing out that the same behaviour/attitudes from lower status (or otherwise unsuccessful) men often has them deemed creeps/perverts.
/r/MensRights08/10/17 09:49 PM
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It's not one article. It's a constant trend of men being bashed under the most hypocritical terms, as validated by feminist sentiment.
/r/MensRights08/10/17 06:22 PM
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Personally I don't want services "for men" (unless that is unavoidably neccessary). I want gender neutral services for everyone. This sub for me is about ending misandry and discrimination and legislative unfairness aswell as general social sexism against men. The entire conversation around gender issues needs to be changed, from a unidirectional "patriarchy" narrative to a bidirectional "different boxes" narrative - addressing the problem at the source will result in those positive changes as m…
/r/MensRights08/10/17 06:17 PM
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"I want any young black people who buy a gun to be treated like young women looking for an abortion".
/r/MensRights04/10/17 07:42 PM
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Using feminist interference in government assistance for the homeless as an argument against the idea of government assistance for the homeless is not a valid argument. It's basically "two wrongs make a right".
/r/MensRights29/09/17 11:43 AM
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so I call myself a feminist because I want it to be crystal clear where I stand on those things. Whilst also being completely unclear about whether or not you have a complete lack of basic empathy and concern with regards misandry and it's prevalence in society, if not active contempt towards it's victims.
/r/RedPillWomen26/09/17 10:20 PM
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Does anyone have full access? How much of a reduction are we talking about?
/r/MensRights26/09/17 06:05 PM
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Rather than getting defensive all the time realize that men really are trash and do something to help change that. Call your boys out, be more self aware, anything helps. Or don't engage in sexist generalisations. If you're declaring most men to be trash, no wonder people are seeing you as a misandrist. How often do you feel on edge walking past a group of women at night? How often do you have to actively take precautions to not get drugged while out drinking? If that's in their own heads, out o…
/r/MensRights24/09/17 02:33 PM
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Actually, /r/TwoXChromosomes and /r/niceguys / /r/justneckbeardthings being the reverse of this is precisely why a lot of people see them as massively misandric. Granted, people's biases make them less sensitive to that than this, but that only proves how necessary it is for MRAs to take the intellectual high road. If a subreddit (or a newspaper) was disproportionately obsessed with ethnic minorities commiting crimes, everyone would see it as racist.
/r/MensRights21/09/17 07:05 PM
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realsexism.com
/r/MensRights17/09/17 08:22 PM
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Imagine if there was a "good woman project"...
/r/MensRights17/09/17 06:32 PM
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http://umass.worldcat.org/title/maternal-preference-in-child-custody-decisions/oclc/4902608297&referer=brief_results http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/ https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/doctoral-thesis-confirms-poor-outcomes-produced-by-our-family-court-system-1.1625873 https://archive.is/lcvpn
/r/MensRights12/09/17 08:09 AM
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I mean, I guess... I don't think anyone has those cognitive resources. In a village of less than 200 people maybe everyone can be cared about individually, but in a planet of 7bn+ people (70m (1%) of whom are diagnosable psychopaths) proportionate statistical reasoning is imo necessary.
/r/MensRights12/09/17 12:58 AM
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Sure, but is this the best sub for that? Especially in proportion to how many of these posts are made and how highly they are upvoted? /r/pussypass and /r/pussypassdenied already exist. /r/femalecriminals or something could be created if those aren't good enough.
/r/MensRights10/09/17 08:23 PM
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We already have lots of solid stats which make a much more compelling argument. School shootings and serial killings also happen. Of course, false rape accusations happen at a vastly higher rate, but a list of individual instances won't give people much of an accurate perception. Especially given how many people are aware of it as a tabloid trick often used to whip people up into thinking a problem is vastly worse than it is. Do /r/twoxchromosomes, /r/niceguys and /r/justneckbeardthings strike y…
/r/MensRights10/09/17 08:01 PM
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Either way, a succinct list of exactly who accused whom of rape falsely would at least show how prevalent it is. No it wouldn't. The US has 300m people. "Individual instances" are shit-tier activism.
/r/MensRights10/09/17 05:30 PM
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These "women behaving badly" posts have ruined this sub. They're the #1 thing driving fence-sitters away. People's biases are such that the only way to get misandry/sexism against men taken seriously is to hold higher intellectual standards than anyone else. A list of individual instances =/= solid statistical argument.
/r/MensRights10/09/17 05:27 PM
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Those subs are heavily censored. It's sad to see that clean-up job actually fools some people.
/r/MensRights09/09/17 09:49 PM
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Critique against putting roles on men froma young age, tipically things like power, strength, stoicism, this has all been done by feminists for a long time. Only in the most horrible backhanded way, which spins all the blame back on men and absolves women, whilst keeping women as the ultimate victims and men as suffering "negative side effects of privlege". In other words, even when they claim they're trying to help you, their finding a way to inject an element of shaming into it. As the post at…
/r/MensRights09/09/17 07:59 PM
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Trickle-down equality at it's finest. Obviously women have no burden of good faith de-escalation /s.
/r/MensRights09/09/17 07:53 PM
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Feminists are smarter than that. They'll yield a hard-won backpedaling to MRAs, then whitewash away the past and claim this as a "new advance" for the ever-progressive force that is feminism. Then when confronted with the evidence of feminists fiercely fighting against MRA groups on this issue, they'll say it's not "my feminism", with logic similar to arguing that Nazism should be associated with random moderately patriotic German farmers (who never would have supported the holocaust had they kn…
/r/MensRights08/09/17 07:33 PM
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It depends on the area. I'm not too big on the "other men" narrative myself. I do think a "toxic masculinity"-type motive of individualistic dominance in relation to women can be a factor. I just think a huge amount of care needs to be taken in terms of contextualising that properly, because female self-interest is also a huge factor and the pro-female/anti-male aspects absolutely can exist without the pro-male/anti-female aspects, as can the reverse situation exist aswell.
/r/MensRights08/09/17 06:38 PM
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It's dudes re-enforcing these ideas precisely out of an idea that it's what women actually ultimately, in the long-term, reward.
/r/MensRights08/09/17 04:32 PM
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against when we look for restoration of the rights of men I used to think the idea that MRAs are looking for a "restoration" of rights (rather than wanting acknowledgement of the whole half of traditional gender norms which constitute sexism against the male sex) was a feminist strawman until now. I guess it's a weak-man now. Out of curiousity, what old rights are you looking to restore?
/r/MensRights31/08/17 04:48 PM
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If gender roles have a biological base, then they will be resistant to environmental pressures against them. Let people choose for themselves. In fact, if they're biologically based, then removing a "rebellion" motive against gender role coercion would probably increase gender role conformity, despite the fact that those roles are no longer culturally proscribed. I don't see what your position has to lose with stuff like this.
/r/MensRights31/08/17 02:20 PM
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Or they have an absolutely horrible, "toxic femininity" type psychology when it comes to sex and will be nightmarish to be married to...
/r/MensRights29/08/17 06:32 PM
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/r/mensrightslinks, /r/MRRef.
/r/MensRights28/08/17 12:33 PM
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Moderate feminists are either ignorant and operate on a casual fringe basis thoroughly detached from the mainstream institutional/academic/activist core of the feminist movement, or they are not moderate.
/r/MensRights28/08/17 12:30 PM
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Demonisation does not cease to be demonisation simply because it has become smug and patronising rather than openly aggressive. Imagine if there was a course on "positive femininity" only.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 12:12 AM
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And likely the difference between boys and girls at A levels in general (this is only A and A* grades). The highest performing boys do better on PISA aswell : On the basis of our results, we also have to consider that the overall achievement gap between boys and girls is different for low and high performing children. The gap is large and favors girls at the lower end of performance, but it is non-existent or favors boys at the high end of performance (Fig. 7).
/r/MensRights18/08/17 02:33 AM
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The mods already remove posts which don't fit : No advice animals, clickbait titles or other low-effort image or text posts. Having transparent non-opinion-based constraints on posts (allowing posts which don't fit to be posted on a separate sub) while allowing free speech in the comments does not amount to censorship imo.
/r/MensRights16/08/17 11:18 AM
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I don't think it's rude. But I do think it's unreasonable to expect people not to look or be ashamed about looking if you're doing this.
/r/MensRights14/08/17 12:28 PM
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This "study" is absolute shit. It was done by a cheating website (remember how the bulk of the female profiles on Ashley Madison turned out to be fake?). It didn't show that housewives cheat at a higher rate than non-housewives, it found that "housewife" was the most common profession at 20%.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 12:40 AM
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Fellow lefty here, although I primarily identify as liberal. This survey might interest you. Iirc it was done about 4 years ago - I don't think much has changed, people here are overwhelmingly socially liberal and split on economic issues. It's worth noting that a large minority here aren't from the US, so wouldn't choose "democrat" or "republican", but might choose "libertarian", so "other" might contain more people on the left than on the right.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 12:16 AM
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He doesn't cite sources. He does, gizmodo removed them to make him look worse, pretty scummy move on their part imo. He says "may" a lot because the burden of proof on him is merely to make a sufficiently reasonable case, it is google who are assuming certainty in their views and using that to justify openly explicitly discriminatory policies. This sub fosters a negative culture and attitude toward women in general. I actually agree, yet it is a drop in the ocean compared to the negative culture…
/r/PussyPassDenied11/08/17 12:35 AM
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Do you have a link to that documentary? Or preferably a screengrab of the Chinese propaganda?
/r/MensRights08/08/17 11:46 AM
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Women behaving badly posts and screenshots of non-notable feminists need to stop.
/r/MensRights07/08/17 02:30 PM
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Actually that's a common misconception based on feminist revisionism. The tender years doctrine wasn't due to feminism because feminism didn't exist at that time. Arguments for gender equality, as part of a wider argument of liberty and equality in general existed long before "feminism" and were already rapidly gaining ground. Feminism represented a hijacking of that pre-existing push for equality with gender warfare shit, nothing else. By the time "feminism" came on the scene (1890s), the worst…
/r/MensRights06/08/17 06:23 PM
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This is surely a joke?
/r/MensRights06/08/17 05:27 PM
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At the least the people saying the horrible stuff on the right are all women.
/r/MensRights06/08/17 05:04 PM
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Not the CMNI again... There goes all credibility for the Apa.
/r/MensRights05/08/17 10:12 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/e60uz/antimale_legislation_roundup/
/r/MensRights04/08/17 02:20 PM
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The term "feminism" didn't arise until the 1890s, by then the worst of coverature had been overturned, women already had the vote in some states and Earnest Belfort Bax had even written "The Legal Subjection of Men". It was an unneccessary gender warfare hijacking of an already-existing and already ground-gaining idea of gender equality, right from the very beginning.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 02:18 PM
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There are a good few here. The search bar might turn up something.
/r/MensRights01/08/17 11:08 PM
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This isn't even "separate but equal". There's not even a veneer of deniability as to who is being segregated from who, it is crystal clear. The only justification for this is "bowl of m&ms" logic, which is the essence of discrimination and sends a message of default moral denigration to all men and boys. The advancement of society can be measured in terms of how much it operates on principles of good faith. How do feminists expect men and boys to react to such gender humiliation without embracin…
/r/MensRights30/07/17 03:37 PM
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Feminism as a term intuitively sounds a lot more like it means "female superiority" than it sounds like it means "equality". This criticism is not new to most feminists. In their paper, these two feminist academics unwittingly validate this anti-feminist argument by using the term "white heteromasculinism" to denote a percieved system of straight white male supremacy. Under their own naming convention "white heterofeminism" would be a system of straight white female supremacy, and following from…
/r/MensRights26/07/17 11:36 PM
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There's a youtube playlist, it might be too old for your purposes, I think this is it.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 10:28 PM
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Link to article.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 09:28 PM
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Geographers Carrie Mott and Daniel Cockayne argued in a recent paper that doing so also perpetuates what they call “white heteromasculinism,” which they defined as a “system of oppression” that benefits only those who are “white, male, able-bodied, economically privileged, heterosexual, and cisgendered.” If white heteromasculinism = straight white male supremacy, what does feminism mean?
/r/MensRights26/07/17 11:28 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/6lid62/disciplined_for_using_the_mens_bathroom_when/
/r/MensRights26/07/17 12:58 AM
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Of the ones (either 16 or 16+) who actually do it in the situations it typically happens under. I'm not arguing that makes it ok btw.
/r/PussyPassDenied25/07/17 05:26 PM
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but that's usually not the case. How do you know?
/r/PussyPassDenied25/07/17 04:25 PM
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People are perfectly capable of recognising that a parent who sacrificies career to be a primary caregiver should not be financially punished for their sacrifice after a divorce, so why should a parent who sacrifices time with their children to be a primary breadwinner be punished in their position as a parent after a divorce? If men are being forced by the state into obligations (alimony/child support) then they should have equal rights attached to that. I'm not saying a decent father should no…
/r/MensRights23/07/17 08:09 PM
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If they're receiving a sufficiently deep positive counter-balance, and especially if it's voluntary, then imo it's not true male disposability (something which requires a pro-female/anti-male sexism double standard). I think lumping in any male risk-absorance as "male disposability" does a disservice to how degrading and dehumanizing it can actually be.
/r/MensRights23/07/17 12:08 AM
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Sexist retirement ages still haven't been fully phased out. Female prisoners can have young children stay with them, male prisoners can't. Iirc sexist pension policies (regarding widows vs widowers) have only just been struck down.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 12:35 PM
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But they don't get how unfair that is, to just backpedal and whitewash away what "feminist approaches" have been for decades and the immeasurable (and often irreparable) damage they have caused on all sorts of levels. As if "of course a belief in equality should mean we should check these sexist stereotypes rather than blindly become the main cultural promoters of them" is some new insight, some new advancement brought to the world courtesy of feminism. As if it's not exactly what pro-equality c…
/r/MensRights14/07/17 04:18 AM
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More explicit legislative sexism. If this was in the other direction, it would have been abolished decades ago. Why is this so hard for people to acknowledge?
/r/MensRights13/07/17 10:09 PM
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Or people don't consider them as malevolent.
/r/MensRights12/07/17 12:36 PM
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The average score for “gender harassment” (this is more often perpetrated by men against men in the form of being exposed to sexual jokes and stories.... Oh my word!
/r/MensRights12/07/17 01:06 AM
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Unfortunately, they went by a very gendered definition of "sexual assault", which probably mostly covered male-perpetrator/male-victim sexual assault, which society tends not to be as averse to taking seriously.
/r/MensRights11/07/17 10:38 PM
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If someone tries to justify religion or speak of it positively, I'll state my opposition to religion or upvote someone else if they've already done so. I wouldn't criticise a person who merely says they're religious and leaves it at that.
/r/MensRights11/07/17 10:34 PM
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“We call for feminist approaches – expansively interpreted – to challenge these stereotypes, making room to consider women who are abusive, power seeking, and sexually aggressive, You don't just get to backpedal on what feminism has been the main promoter (and to no minor degree), how this ties in and has tied in with the fact that feminism happened instead of something gender neutral and gender impartial, and whitewash away the inter-related victimisation, the aloneness, the self-doubt and the …
/r/MensRights11/07/17 09:25 PM
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As an anti-theist, I guess I'm one of them. I'm not going to stop calling out religion any more than I'm going to stop calling out feminism.
/r/MensRights11/07/17 07:57 PM
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Attempts can be counted multiiple times. Women don't attempt seriously, they are merely calling for attention because they know they will receive it. Women cut their wrists horizontally men tend to cut vertically. A source for these claims would be very useful.
/r/MensRights11/07/17 03:14 PM
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Feminists are changing a lot for the non-elites.
/r/MensRights10/07/17 09:21 PM
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Despite the fact that gender roles have fathers in the more marginal, inferior position. Feminist will continue to deny how their framework very often leads to the pushing of the regressive as "progressive".
/r/MensRights10/07/17 09:15 PM
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A similar situation exists in France.
/r/MensRights09/07/17 06:43 PM
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I would be inclined to agree with them, selective reporting of individual cases can paint a picture over time, I'm not a fan of these sorts of posts, we have stats which are much more useful already. At the same time, /r/twoxchromosomes is the same in reverse and a much bigger sub, which is not immediately pegged as misandry by most of those same people. Worse still is that /r/mensrights is going against mainstream/traditional/feminist stereotypes, whereas /r/twoxchromosomes is endorsing them.
/r/MensRights07/07/17 09:12 PM
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Feminism (especially through the feminist "patriarchal" description of sexism and gender roles) is a major barrier to achieving equality for men and boys, the dismantling of feminism and feminist narratives and their replacement with something not inherantly sexist, tribalising, gender-antagonising and bias-creating is by neccessity a central goal of the MRM.
/r/MensRights04/07/17 06:27 PM
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An average one, sure. Even absolute structures wouldn't necessarily be genetically tied to a social idea of "gender identity".
/r/MensRights03/07/17 10:16 PM
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The only men's rights link I can think of (which I thought would be on the survey) is the specific issue of people insisting bi men are gay. I do think bisexuality is more believed in women than men.
/r/MensRights03/07/17 09:45 PM
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At a stroke, the one thing that women had going for them has been taken away, Wow. That is possibly the most horrible instance of zero sum thinking I've ever seen. the one respect in which they had the last laugh over their husbands and lovers. I'm not sure how much you can use the word "lover" if you want to have a "last laugh" over them in such a love-antithetical way.
/r/MensRights03/07/17 09:22 PM
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Look up studies done literally moments after birth that shows boys and girls hold different preferences for different objects. Different on average. A boy can score in the "girl" range whilst growing up and feeling no problem with a "male" gender identity and vice versa. There is no hard evidence of any specific "gender identity module" or circuitry in the brain, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but the question is still open.
/r/MensRights03/07/17 07:53 PM
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People here aren't exaggerating. Forcible premature retractions can cause damage, and the gross misinformation could be called malpractice in itself. Boys being diagnosed with phimosis and recommended circumcision at an age where the foreskin typically isn't retractable is unfortunately a big problem.
/r/MensRights03/07/17 07:08 PM
1

The problem isn't not knowing what to do, it's giving horribly wrong instructions as an "authority".
/r/MensRights03/07/17 07:02 PM
1

It actually has a lot to do with men's rights. Gay couples now have equal adoption rights to straight couples. This is especially important for gay men for whom it is harder than for lesbians to start a family through unofficial means.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 06:25 PM
4

Well yeah, given that it's 59% women, they clearly still have another 41% to go in order to achieve full diversity!
/r/MensRights30/06/17 08:00 PM
1

Exactly. It's not actually "equality of outcome" at all.
/r/MensRights30/06/17 07:46 PM
6

The "women behaving badly" posts and screengrabs of non-notable feminists on social media need to stop.
/r/MensRights30/06/17 12:18 AM
2

Nope. Arguments for gender equality (as a logical component of the much broader arguments for liberty and equality which were gaining ground) existed (and had achieved significant success) before the term "feminism" had entered common use in the Anglosphere (1890s). Earnest Belfort Bax had even written "The Legal Subjection Of Men" before then. The people who won voting rights for women were suffragettes, some, but not all, would have identified as feminists.
/r/MensRights30/06/17 12:12 AM
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It's from this buzzfeed video. The quote is taken out of context. She's literally saying that it's his choice to be how he wants.
/r/MensRights26/06/17 04:34 PM
1

Warriors and peacemakers. Sometimes public opinion changes not out of any real strong agreement from the majority, but because one side is making a much bigger deal about something, leading to those in the middle drifting along with them because it's not much of a big deal to them either way, so they go with the option which makes the overall number of people having a big problem with the status quo go down.
/r/MensRights26/06/17 04:26 PM
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The "this can only harm women" argument needs to die. It's basically a validation of feminist ideas of "benevolent sexism" (wherein everything pro-female/anti-male is automatically counter-balanced, while everything pro-male/anti-female is not).
/r/MensRights26/06/17 03:49 PM
1

And realised that "feminism" outside of Sweden means "women above men" instead of "men and women alike". Very few feminists will admit they want women above men, they'll just campaign for that as much as they think they can get away with while still claiming to be about "equality". Largely it's because they see sexism as a structure of male dominance (being unable to respect or empathize with the other side of the coin) and therefore hold a "women's empowerment" view of equality where victimisin…
/r/MensRights26/06/17 12:18 AM
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Compared to education discrimination or sentencing bias etc this is pretty small. It depends how you look at it. Personally I would rank sexism on a scale of seriousness and changeability (due to what they say about society and so as to have clear, defined goals), with legislative sexism above institutional sexism above social sexism, and explicit sexism above implicit sexism. Explicit legislative sexism is top of the pile. Even if it only affects a small number of people, in an important sense,…
/r/MensRights13/06/17 08:19 PM
1

Imo. Don't mention anything about long-term effects. Just mention that everyone you've known had it done, but when you saw the pain he went through you decided not to get it done to his brother.
/r/MensRights11/06/17 12:25 AM
3

The selective flow of information will unfortunately stop the correction from being as widely spread.
/r/MensRights09/06/17 12:29 PM
1

I don't think the low-hanging fruit of non-notable random people online who are easily dismisseable as "fringe feminists" should be upvoted here. The mainstream core of the feminist movement has more than enough to call out.
/r/MensRights02/06/17 12:23 AM
11

How actually "harassing" were these comments? I'm not sure the appearance-compliment gap can be bridged by insisting that women never be complimented in this way ever.
/r/MensRights01/06/17 11:29 AM
2

I feel the same when MRAs are willing to agree with feminist narratives about male/female relations through history and in developing countries.
/r/MensRights28/05/17 11:48 PM
1

Never.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 05:48 PM
1

Except for the fact that one group of people who can't avail of "boys will be boys" are grown adault men - aka, the actual "patriarchs".
/r/MensRights26/05/17 10:37 PM
5

Or we could move past dividing up gender equality into separate women's/men's rights movements.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:50 PM
1

Each divorce back then required it's own individual act of parliament. It was nothing like the scale we see now.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:56 PM
1

It's worth pointing out that divorce was extremely rare back then.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:53 PM
11

"Joint custody" in legal terms doesn't mean what it does to most people in common language. It can mean as little as a right to access to information about the child. Even "joint physical custody" just means the child spending time with both parents according to a court-appointed schedule.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:52 PM
1

Your position as a parent post-breakup (if it happens) might be worse if you're not married.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 09:03 PM
4

Trawling the internet to find ridiculous statements from non-notable people doesn't prove or help anything, it's just a circlejerk. Everyone knows there are horrible misandrists out there, many of whom identify as feminists. 1 or 2% of the population could be like this and we'd have enough material to fill a sub. The plural of anecdotes is not data.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 03:37 PM
1

Yet the average child considers girls to be more intelligent than boys and the education gap continues to grow.
/r/MensRights13/05/17 02:51 PM
1

I don't agree with this. I think both fathers and children have a right to know, where possible.
/r/MensRights11/05/17 08:01 PM
1

I think MRAs underestimate the impact that the MRM is having on feminists and the feminist movement for one thing.
/r/MensRights08/05/17 06:43 PM
3

The dismantling of feminism is a key, neccessary step for the achievement of true equality for both sexes. I don't see why the burden should be on anti-feminist egalitarians to justify their stance rather than on feminists to justify advancing equality with an inherantly sexist, bias-creating, tribalising, gender-antagonising term. When you consider what has been enabled, and indeed actively carried out by the mainstream core of the feminist movement - for decades, just how horrible and ultimate…
/r/MensRights08/05/17 12:48 PM
4

Challenge entitlement. Women do not owe men anything So men do not owe women anything either? So I can ignore everything on your shitty page and it is morally wrong for you to complain about me doing so? The guidelines established above represent a baseline for acceptable behavior. Following them is not exceptional, and does not merit reward. Surely women are not entitled to have men follow this "baseline for acceptable behaviour"? It's not like men owe it to women or anything... Maybe male femi…
/r/MensRights04/05/17 07:38 PM
1

http://adamjones.freeservers.com/effacing.htm
/r/MensRights04/05/17 12:26 AM
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Yet people fail to see how dismantling feminism is such a central, neccessary goal for the MRM, to even getting the discussion going in a neutral, unbiased manner with accurate facts.
/r/MensRights03/05/17 12:58 AM
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The point isn't that overly picky women should "settle", it's that they shouldn't consider themselves to be "settling" with someone they can't do better than (in a monogamous capacity), by considering themselves to be "settling" they are still being too picky. The stuff about Islamic cultures is completely made up speculation. Then she goes on to promote a gender-inegalitarian mating system to motivate men to be better (she even says "with something to offer"), a pressure which should be lumped …
/r/MensRights21/04/17 03:31 PM
2

And by segregating boys and girls in general.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 10:53 PM
9

What's most interesting about this is the claim that they were met with mainstream derision, which would counter feminist narratives. Most of those doing the deriding probably weren't feminists.
/r/MensRights16/04/17 05:32 PM
1

The problem is that groupist "positive discrimination" is on the level of individuals neither equality of opportunity nor equality of outcome. It's more like giving two boxes to the tall guy and no boxes to the short guy based on group averages.
/r/MensRights11/04/17 01:08 PM
2

It's depressing to see British MRAs defending such a fundamental affront to egalitarian democratic values out of the same sort of tribalism which makes feminists defend feminism.
/r/MensRights10/04/17 03:41 PM
2

"Liberals" in the US are not "liberal" in the actual sense of the word. It's a marketing term just like social justice, equality, undocumented immigrant, etc. "Liberal" is a term that generally ties one to the authoritarian, regressive left, not those who are for personal liberty. I'm not from the US, but is this actually the case? The authoritarian left from what I've seen generally prefers to self-identify as "progressive" or to a lesser extent "socialist" or "left wing" (not that the latter t…
/r/MensRights09/04/17 05:23 PM
2

The term "feminism" didn't enter common use in the anglosphere until the 1890s. Arguments of liberty and equality for women were part of a broader argument of liberty and equality which had been gaining ground since the enlightenment. Mary Wollenstonecraft's "A vindication of the rights of woman", John Stuart Mill's "The subjection of women" and even Earnest Belfort Bax's "The legal subjection of men" had already been published before then. The worst aspects of coverature had already been overtu…
/r/MensRights09/04/17 03:19 PM
3

How is it a loss of dignity to legally change yourself to the legally privileged gender?
/r/MensRights04/04/17 02:02 PM
3

I hate to be the "repost" person, but this is posted over and over.
/r/MensRights04/04/17 01:28 PM
2

You're conflating gender equality with feminism. It's a dishonest argument. Like it or not, feminism is a subset of gender egalitarian philosophies, it might be a particularly large subset, but it is a subset nonetheless. It is perfectly possible to believe in gender equality while being non-feminist or even anti-feminist.
/r/PussyPassDenied30/03/17 01:04 AM
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But yet they refuse to make gender-neutral the most obvious example of all : the name of their movement.
/r/PussyPassDenied30/03/17 12:22 AM
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I agree with the poster you replied to. So, you're cool with this getting applied to the alt right when we call them racist, sexist pieces of shit, yeah? I am more than cool with that. Is that not an answer you were looking for?
/r/PussyPassDenied30/03/17 12:20 AM
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I personally know women, and men, like that. They sometimes otherwise seem like nice people in person, but what they say in this area really is truly horrible. It's not about equality, it's about "equality" being advanced under the most gender-antagonising, mean-spirited, denigrating terms, where everything possible is framed so as to give a maximally one-sided account of sexism and gender norms. Built into feminist theory itself is a carte blanche for endless bias, where at every juncture concl…
/r/PussyPassDenied30/03/17 12:19 AM
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I don't see anything sexist in these ads. I'll just leave this here.
/r/MensRights24/03/17 05:32 PM
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Because when women have equality where it suits them, they'll naturally cast off the internalised-misogyny based shackles of "benevolent sexism", rather than enjoy the best of both worlds, because women can't be selfish, or something.
/r/MensRights19/03/17 09:30 PM
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Only 2% of rape accusations are false. At those numbers, I don't even know why we bother having trials at all. The falsely convicted should, despite their personal misfortune, be happy to have been part of a system which guarantees all rapists are locked up! /s btw in case it wasn't obvious, feminist hate stats have a purpose beyond gender antagonism, their power should not be under-estimated.
/r/MensRights19/03/17 09:15 PM
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There would be a push to end gender roles, but some people might decide to be cunts about it and hijack this change to promote toxic, socially corrosive gender warfare shit. If those people somehow managed to seize control of the conversation it would be a catastrophic tragedy of hard to understate proportions.
/r/MensRights17/03/17 06:42 PM
1

I did come accross this article.
/r/MensRights17/03/17 01:40 PM
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It's from this book - page 315. I came across that part in isolation, so I can't vouch for the book itself, I would expect some level of feminist bias - immediately afterwards it phrases something in a highly misleading (or at least highly biased) manner followed by a potentially cherrypicked source (the next page is cut off so I can't investigate further). That's pretty much all they cover on the topic, although perhaps the sources they give discuss it in greater detail. But I wonder what time …
/r/MensRights16/03/17 08:45 PM
9

Wow. Some of the opinions in that thread are terrifying.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 02:55 PM
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With a link as weak as that, anything can be justified as "men's rights", e.g "men's right to pay less taxes" vs "men's right to have universal healthcare and 3rd level education".
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:38 PM
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The MRM is about ending sexism against men, I don't see how this story fits. This sub isn't supposed to be generic "anti-progressivism". "Mission creep" is one of the many things wrong with the feminist movement, we shouldn't copy it. Keeping a narrow focus helps unify people behind the cause and minimise in-fighting and potential misrepresentation. I'm not even saying anything about this particular case.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 02:53 PM
1

If you're single, it would potentially be weird.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 10:00 PM
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Actually, there exists tons of legislation which explicitly discriminates against men, in every country. It's telling that nobody has ever compiled it all. If the mrm had 1/20th the power that feminism does, none of it would still be around. Use the search box in the sidebar to search "antimale legislation" to see just a fraction of it. In the US the Equal Rights Ammendment was killed not because of any rights it would grant women (public toplessness would have been the only one), but because of…
/r/MensRights14/03/17 09:41 PM
4

what, is pride anti straight now? If there was a "queerist" movement as powerful and as mean-spiritedly horrible and denigrating to straight people as feminism is to men and boys, then yes.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 09:38 PM
1

Women's rights aren't a problem. Women's rights being advanced with a side-helping of evidenceless gender warfare dogma is.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 09:33 PM
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It's pretty simple. Mainstream feminist theory insists (and has insisted for decades) on a "unidirectional" model of gender roles and therefore a unidirectional model of sexism (aka "patriarchy") - under which as long as any level of sexism against women exists at all, there can only be one "true" side to the story - women's side. Where men are a priori priveleged, women are a priori oppressed and all sexism is misogyny - which at best ensures the focus stays on women and feeds a lip-service pro…
/r/MensRights14/03/17 07:18 PM
1

Because you're making an absolute statement without absolute evidence. Do people find women less funny than men? Sure. Is that due to women having a lower aptitude for humour or something else? Afaik - inconclusive. Jumping to anti-male conclusions about things (which MRAs now have the evidence to know are false) is a huge part of the misandry of the feminist movement.
/r/MensRights13/03/17 11:59 PM
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I had no idea it was so many, either for women or men. It's not. If there were 200 billion living female survivors of FGM on the planet they would have an average population density of 1342/km, enough for all land on the entire planet (including deserts, high mountains and Antarctica) to exist as one huge sprawling suburb - excluding the aformentioned "inhospitable areas" would double that figure - enough to cover all "hospitable" land on the planet with one endlessly sprawling city - populated …
/r/MensRights13/03/17 09:49 PM
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Humanism already refers to something else though, afaik usually a particular stance on the question of secular morality, as opposed to nihilism, moral relativism or religious morality. From wikipedia : Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and affirms their ability to improve their lives through the use of reason and ingenuity as opposed to submitting blindly to tradition and authority or sinking into c…
/r/MensRights13/03/17 04:36 PM
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Equality doesn't begin with the letter "F".
/r/MensRights13/03/17 02:26 PM
0

Exactly. Would feminists have a problem with similar measures in place for euthanasia? Even if abortion should be allowed, the decision to end a life is one which should be taken seriously. Feminists ridicule a view among pro-lifers that they want completely reckless "abortion as contraception", if they really do endorse abortion as a last resort, then why are measures designed to that end such a huge problem?
/r/MensRights13/03/17 02:13 PM
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And this is why people see MRAs as misogynist. Yes, I am aware feminist platforms use censorship to perform a cleanup job for their image - most people might not make that connection. The trust of free speech within the MRM comes with responsibility.
/r/MensRights13/03/17 02:08 PM
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/r/OneY
/r/MensRights13/03/17 03:05 AM
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Promoting and proliferating articles and studies in favour of circumcision while saying nothing against it counts as promoting circumcision afaic. I'll admit it's not as direct as I was lead to believe from a previous post here.
/r/MensRights13/03/17 01:40 AM
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The study in the link is overwhelmingly positive towards circumcision. Here you'll find another such study (hint "masculinities" is a word which is almost exclusively used only by feminist dogmatists). In the study itself : Medical Male Circumcision (MMC) is now widely accepted as a key HIV prevention intervention The second organisation I linked outlines their provision of circumcision. I also found this from the Athena network.
/r/MensRights13/03/17 01:06 AM
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I can't believe such a dumb, counter-productive circlejerk has been upvoted to the top.
/r/MensRights12/03/17 10:16 PM
2

Suffragettes got women the vote. Popular retellings would have you believe it was a debate between feminists and male chauvinists. In reality it was for the most part a debate as to whether "different but equal" meant women deserved an equal, direct say in the running of the country, or whether "different but equal" meant politics was part of a natural "male realm". That aside, arguments for gender equality existed before the term feminism, and with all the changes happening in society (i.e broa…
/r/MensRights12/03/17 10:05 PM
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Not being able to retract foreskin at 9 is perfectly normal. Wtf? Here's a great page about alternatives to circumcision and when such an intervention is neccessary. One may expect 50 percent of ten-year-old boys; 90 percent of 16-year-old boys; and 98-99 percent of 18 year-old males to have full retractable foreskin.
/r/MensRights12/03/17 07:00 PM
2

I presume they are complaining about the lack of this info in the documentary, for the awareness of other people.
/r/MensRights12/03/17 05:45 PM
2

That could be conveyed better.
/r/MensRights12/03/17 05:34 PM
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Even if those steps fail, there are surgical procedures which stop short of circumcision. /u/Not_A_Chupacabra
/r/MensRights12/03/17 03:24 AM
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Off the top of my head : http://genderandaids.unwomen.org/en/resources/2008/10/male-circumcision-and-hivaids-opportunities-and-challenges http://www.mariestopes.org.za/male-circumcision/ There was a post here about UNWomen not too long ago, but I can't seem to find it.
/r/MensRights12/03/17 03:11 AM
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I don't think anyone here thinks feminists have to be wrong 100% of the time. Feminists can, especially in speech, be on the same side as the MRM, both have a stated goal of gender equality, so that should be expected. That doesn't in itself invalidate the criticism the MRM has of the feminist movement (and in particular feminist theory - and it's trickle down effects on the broader progressive culture), which is why the MRM is predominantly feminist-critical/anti-feminist and sees feminism as a…
/r/MensRights12/03/17 02:30 AM
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Actually a lot of feminist organisations argue for MGM in Africa out of a belief it will help stop the spread of HIV.
/r/MensRights12/03/17 02:22 AM
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There are different forms of FGM, some much worse, some comparable, some not as bad. All forms are illegal in the west. Not to mention male circumsicision is done by people with at least some semblance of medical training, and in generally clean environments. FGM is performed by those with no training, and extremely unclean environments. Every culture which practises FGM practises MGM, tribal MGM (e.g in Africa) is carried out with the same low medical standards associated with FGM, and on a muc…
/r/MensRights12/03/17 12:56 AM
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It's the same in terms of "bodily autonomy" (hence the title "my body my choice"), something feminists routinely declare to be exclusively disrespected in women.
/r/MensRights11/03/17 06:02 PM
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Have you decided whether or not you want to have her clitoral hood / labia minora completely unnecessarily removed? Oh wait, that's illegal.
/r/MensRights11/03/17 04:31 PM
5

It's sad that dumb shitposts and "women behaving badly" news stories get upvoted instead of actually informative stuff like this.
/r/MensRights08/03/17 10:16 PM
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I've seen plenty of people deride women's work and contribution to society on this very sub, and plenty of other places on Reddit and internet in general. A lot of the time it's because they feel a need to counter a feminist insistence of a traditional male role being priveleged and a traditional female role being oppressed.
/r/MensRights07/03/17 04:42 PM
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What does the MRA think of the results? Sexism against women still exists, it's continued existence on some level in traditionally "male" areas (which could expand as far as the competitive aspect of the workplace in general) doesn't undermine the argument of roughly equal (or greater) sexism against men also existing.
/r/MensRights05/03/17 09:10 PM
1

The only thing holding you back, is yourself. Every man can't be in the top 20%.
/r/MensRights05/03/17 08:52 PM
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One mother of such a victim weeping over what her son has suffered is worth at least 10,000 victims. Reminds me of this ad.
/r/MensRights23/02/17 06:26 PM
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I agree, there are lots in the opposite direction.
/r/MensRights23/02/17 12:16 AM
1

Go topless in public.
/r/MensRights22/02/17 11:15 PM
2

Look up the Tender Years Doctrine. I'm not sure about the US, but in the UK, each individual divorce until the mid 19th century required it's own act of parliament.
/r/MensRights22/02/17 11:05 PM
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I'd see it as less getting free things and more not being forced into things. Go back far enough and I agree with you, but we're talking well before the 20th century.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 11:57 PM
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Can you find archives of her blog posts? Post it here with the name of the magazine. It should get upvoted to the top. Tumblrinaction would probably help too.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 07:57 PM
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I don't see how that isn't self evident. Because it's a point-scoring generalisation, not an actual truth. The majority of those with a pro-life view being hypocrites (or using religious rather than secular morality in their reasoning) is not an actual valid argument against a pro-life position, it's just a dumb circlejerk. I'm from Ireland, abortion is illegal here (it's a short plane/boat ride away - out of sight, out of mind). There used to be a very powerful socially conservative religious l…
/r/MensRights21/02/17 05:58 PM
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Men can be raped, but only by other men /s. True facts time : A famous feminist hate-stat used for a long time was "99% of rapists are men", of course failing to mention that the definition of rape used in the stat required the rapist to penetrate the victim.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 04:19 PM
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Islamic misogyny? "Progressive racism" (i.e the demonisation of outgroup men as psychopathic misogynists) is the only form of acceptable racism left, the only form which both the right and the left can get behind. It's sad that even so many MRAs hold onto the internalised misandry of accepting vilifying feminist narratives, so long as they only apply to other (already demonised) groups of men (i.e other ethnic groups or lower class men). It's not like it's hard to think up non-patriarchal, and i…
/r/MensRights20/02/17 04:12 PM
4

The same sort of attitude which has a portion of feminists wanting to push the definition of "sexual harrassment" into ever more minor and ambiguous territory. The same reason that the punishment for "street harrassment" in Afghanistan under the taliban was death by stoning. The same reason that in Saudi Arabia, it's not women being segregated from men, but single men being segregated from women/families.
/r/MensRights20/02/17 04:09 PM
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Not having a vote doesn't mean a lower standing in society. It means a lower standing in a certain realm, though it is a huge injustice and disadvantage. That said, one tiny country can't be used to generalise the western world, or indeed a larger country on it's own. In the UK and Canada, half of all adult men and most adult women got the vote at the same time. This being one of several factors which make the story different from what most people assume.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 10:03 PM
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Now, 40 years ago when women actually had a standing lower than that of men They did?
/r/MensRights19/02/17 06:28 PM
1

Blames, sure. Hates, not consciously imo.
/r/MensRights17/02/17 12:33 AM
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I don't think the problem is women consciously hating men. Fringe radicals, even famous ones, are easily dismissable. It's more that the unwavering, systemic one-sidedness of feminism results in the suffering and victimisation (directly or indirectly) of men and boys on a global scale. I'm sure Jess Phillips for example doesn't see herself as hating men. She's just fighting for equality under a horrifically wrong set of facts.
/r/MensRights16/02/17 01:37 PM
1

If your political arguments rely on appeals to supernaturalism to justify themselves then they have no place in a society which recognises separation of church and state. Your second argument is the naturalistic fallacy.
/r/MensRights15/02/17 09:06 PM
1

I need to ask a question. Are you required to give "feminist" answers in exams to not get marked down?
/r/MensRights15/02/17 07:26 PM
1

Delhi in particular (where I'm from) has a HUGE rape problem; stupid, poor, uneducated men rape women left, right and center. Do you have evidence? Given that "progressive" classism/racism (i.e lower class/outgroup men as psychopathic misogynists) is something most MRAs should be on the lookout for, including the internalised misandry of men being willing to accept feminist narratives (because they are pounded upon them so strongly) so long as they apply to other groups of men they can classify …
/r/MensRights15/02/17 07:21 PM
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Or animals, arguably. Personally, if mandatory veganism was politically feasible (which I hope some day it will be) I'd support it. Abortion is still iffy in my mind. Truth is nobody knows when consciousness applies. For all anyone knows, they could be the only conscious being in the universe, with everyone else just a biological robot going through the motions as evolution desgigned them to.
/r/MensRights15/02/17 06:49 PM
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They wanted male members of the council to sit while urinating, which is ridiculous, but not on the same level of making it illegal.
/r/MensRights14/02/17 03:35 PM
1

Every sphere of life That's the part that pisses me off.
/r/MensRights14/02/17 11:35 AM
1

Why not point her to do her own reading, admit that you don't really want a debate? I would start by acknowledging the MRM has it's fair share of crazies and genuine misogynists, but that ultimately the anti-feminism of the MRM comes from the feminist dogmatic insistence on a thoroughly one-sided "patriarchal" account of things, which stands in direct conflict with any meaningful men's activism - which requires acknowledgement that sexism goes both ways, and that there is a whole other side of t…
/r/MensRights14/02/17 02:56 AM
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Looks like like feminist "toxic masculinity" hate-prop. The word "masculinities" is the first clue. I somehow doubt college mental health services would declare "Women's Resiliency challenges cultural female-normative expectations of femininities with the goal of creating a healthier campus environment for all" and to "Provide resources and advice on how to stay healthy to prevent violence and self-destructive behaviours".
/r/MensRights11/02/17 09:24 PM
5

When a post gets enough upvotes to start showing up on people's feeds outside of the /r/mensrights sub it brings in more people who don't give a shit about equality. If the feminist subs weren't so heavily censored you'd see the same shit.
/r/MensRights11/02/17 11:08 AM
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because it's so heavily associated with winning women their most basic rights—which it absolutely deserves credit for. No it doesn't. Arguments for gender equality existed before the term feminism. Suffrage was won by the suffrage movement. After that you have a tragic hijacking of equality with socially corrosive battle of the sexes shit. The changes associated with 2nd wave feminism had widespread public support and although I don't have the stats, I suspect most people at the time did not cal…
/r/MensRights27/01/17 02:05 AM
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You are confusing the campaign for Universal Suffrage with Feminism. Came here to say this. The amount of MRAs who buy into fake feminist propaganda without realizing it is endlessly depressing.
/r/MensRights27/01/17 12:29 AM
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It has to do with a bit of a 'rules for thee but not for me' trend seen with other parts of feminism I agree with that, but I don't see why that means the rule for both should be gendered terminology rather than gender neutral terminology.
/r/MensRights23/01/17 06:34 PM
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Do you have to either be offended or not care? Is there no middle ground? I wouldn't be outraged, but I'd still see it as dispreferable. Small changes can add up to something positive. It might take some small effort at the start, but when it becomes the new normal it will be easy.
/r/MensRights23/01/17 05:37 PM
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I never get the lack of support for gender neutral language on this sub, especially since it's such a big argument against the term "feminism".
/r/MensRights23/01/17 05:36 PM
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As long as mainstream feminist theory insists on a unidirectional male dominance (aka "patriarchy") model of sexism (the knock on effects of which are in the wider culture, astronomical), MRAs will always see the feminist movement as a major barrier to achieving true equality for both sexes. Even if the feminist movement did change it's tune, why should MRAs be willing to whitewash away decades of widespread horriffic attitudes and behaviour being advanced under the banner of "feminism", when a …
/r/MensRights22/01/17 03:58 PM
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Maybe that's a reference to the lack of rights women face in Islamic countries, i.e. actual patriarchies? You might be surprised, the situation is often a lot more bidirectional than most people would think, portrayals of gender roles in developing countries (and throughout history) are usually lacking a huge amount of context. Portraying outgroup men as psychopathic misogynists is the sort of racism that people of all political leanings can support. This article is a start.
/r/MensRights18/01/17 08:23 PM
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I think due to what this could allow for gay and lesbian couples, feminists will be more likely to support this than the average person.
/r/MensRights12/01/17 06:26 PM
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Nope. Sexual norms have been in flux. Fiction probably can't be used to portray reality. Saverland v. Newton (1837)
/r/MensRights11/01/17 09:00 PM
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Would similar things by feminists in the reverse direction count as bashing men?
/r/MensRights07/01/17 04:37 PM
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It interviewed several feminists and Michael Kimmel even attended the premiere.
/r/MensRights03/01/17 07:27 PM
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Report non-mra shit. This sub isn't /r/anti-sjw.
/r/MensRights22/12/16 04:22 PM
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The term feminism and the feminism movement dates all the way back to when the idea of institutional misandry was laughably insane When Mary Wollestonecraft wrote "A Vindication of the Rights of Woman", the term "feminism" had yet to be coined, yet she felt it neccessary to make clear she was arguing not for female superiority, but equality. Clearly, even from her (pre-feminism) vantage point arguments against the term feminism could be made, presuming the worst laws she was campaigning against …
/r/MensRights22/12/16 01:03 AM
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Mainstream/academic feminist theory is incompatible with any meaningful men's rights activism. As long as what MRAs see as misandry is seen (under a feminist lens) as a mere side effect of misogyny, then the decades-old promise of "trickle down equality" rather than focusing on misandry and sexism against men as a legitimate things in themselves - as a legitimate other side of the same coin, will continue. The worst part is that under a bidirectional theory of sexism, if you want to achieve maxi…
/r/MensRights21/12/16 07:26 PM
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This is why feminists embrace "intersectionality", not just to preserve empathy and victimhood privelege for the group which has always had the most of it, but to level a specific accusation which hits hard (especially against those on the left). I grew up being disgusted at being told that the poor have it better than the rich, it cemented the socialist views I still have as an adult. I do believe white/straight/cis privelege are things (on average) in a unidirectional sense (save for artificia…
/r/MensRights21/12/16 07:01 PM
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Gender quotas descreased board effectiveness in Norway Revealing side effects of quotas on group cooperation Gender quotas drive both sexes away It comes down to equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome, non-biased studies on the wage gap have shown men make more sacrifices for higher pay (and presumably promotion), it would be fundamentally unfair to artificially give one group of people a weaker set of rules to compete under. If you want a more socialistic argument, fair pay is what shou…
/r/MensRights21/12/16 03:40 PM
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From the original paper : we describe a mathematical framework for modeling problem solvers that captures the functional diversity that cognitive psychologists and organizational theorists claim is correlated with identity diversity. LOL. So the paper basically proved that diversity is a benefit, if you assume diversity is a benefit. No shit.
/r/MensRights21/12/16 02:17 PM
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I think also that the term "men's rights" make it seem like men are advocating for rights as if they don't have any and women have more. The only explicit legislative sexism against women is legal toplessness. There still exists much more in the anti-male direction. In the US, the ERA was stopped not because of anything it would gain for women, but because of what it would gain for men (the campaign against it being called Stop Taking Our Privileges). The truth is they are given more of the powe…
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:01 PM
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There is a special sub for those who wish to discuss "men's issues" (note how it's not men's rights or sexism against men) under feminist supervision, I guess they'd prefer people went there?
/r/MensRights18/12/16 09:08 PM
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Isn't intimidation and coercion illegal? Because a threat of criminal behaviour has been made - which is an objective threat with a feelings-independent reality.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 09:00 PM
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Direct them to realsexism.com. Tell them it's by no means an exhaustive list and that you don't neccessarily agree with the author's own opinions, just the evidence listed. Ask them to read this article published in TIME magazine and tell you what is so unreasonable it? Why is it so wrong to think that sexism goes both ways and therefore it should be dealt with in both directions?
/r/MensRights17/12/16 02:52 PM
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Do those studies look at gay and lesbian couples? It could be more to do with stable monogamy.
/r/MensRights13/12/16 09:24 AM
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You're basically saying that because men on average earn more, redistribution of wealth is something mras should oppose. That's a pretty zero-sum view of "equality".
/r/MensRights12/12/16 10:20 PM
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Using a personal tragedy (of a redditor who is aware of this sub) for a low-effort point scoring reversal of an unrelated feminist campaign. I'm not a fan of "don't be that guy" or "teach men not to rape" etc., and I do agree they should be countered, and I do think reversal is a good rhetorical tool, but this comes across as insensitive and exploitative imo.
/r/MensRights12/12/16 08:49 PM
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I think this is in poor taste. Downvote if you want.
/r/MensRights12/12/16 06:06 PM
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In case you weren't aware, "joint legal custody" just means both parents are official guardians (right to information etc.). "Joint physical custody" means shared custody as per a court timetable, it doesn't mean 50/50 shared parenting.
/r/MensRights09/12/16 11:31 AM
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Norwegian study finds bias in favour of mothers/against fathers in child abuse cases [translated article] - probably applicable to child custody cases also. This video is good (deals with justice system for half, schools for half) if you have 20 mins.
/r/MensRights08/12/16 11:31 PM
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Victim loyalty and reluctance to prosecute mothers contributes to the blurred of boundaries between mothers as ‘perpetrators’ and mothers as secondary ‘victims’ acting under duress. Such factors adversely affect the policing response. I.e female hypoagency. Reminds me of this case : Shazia, who described herself as a downtrodden woman, claimed she was unable to stop her husband from killing Lareeb. She told the court in a statement she suffers from rheumatism and was not strong enough to fight h…
/r/MensRights07/12/16 10:12 AM
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Because the stuff in the traditional/stereotypical "male" box is objectively, scientifically of superior value and fulfillment than the stuff in the traditional/stereotypical "female" box. Don't listen to those people saying it's a matter of personal subjective values, they're part of the patriarchy too! /s.
/r/MensRights03/12/16 07:57 PM
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I guess I meant specifically in terms of harming men more than women. I don't think equality of outcome would do this if it was actually applied absolutely everywhere. That said, I'm not in favour of it.
/r/MensRights01/12/16 04:36 PM
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Equality can only go too far if you have an unequal definition of "equality". Also, the title probably should have mentioned the author is the former editor of Cosmo, not just some random feminist.
/r/MensRights01/12/16 03:49 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auxj4U5Uab0
/r/MensRights01/12/16 03:42 PM
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I'd help you more, but I'm lazy, so you'll have to do some searching. Look up "maternal gatekeeping" and "domestic gatekeeping" - i.e yes, there are a lot of lazy men, but probably equally there are women who aren't willing to give up that last piece (even if it means more work) so as to unconsciously retain an identity of feminine superiority in these areas - i.e saying they want the man to do more childcare/housework but actually wanting a helpmate rather than an actual full equal (draw a para…
/r/MensRights28/11/16 09:09 PM
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1) define masculinity by mostly negative traits You should see the list of feminine norms by the same author : nice in relationships thinness modesty domestic care for children romantic relationship sexual fidelity investment in appearance. Source.
/r/MensRights27/11/16 05:23 PM
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Even if we agree that drivers were being unfairly prioritised over cyclists and pedestrians, why make it a gender issue? Just to stir the shit?
/r/MensRights14/11/16 02:04 PM
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oppression of women only began in earnest nearly two thousand years ago with ruthless suppression by the Roman Catholic Church. Only now are women reclaiming their rightful place in society. . In general, females tend to be more intelligent than males and thus their methods are less obvious Lol. Wtf? Who wrote this page? Is this a respected organisation?
/r/MensRights01/11/16 03:40 PM
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In male and female hamsters Ftfy.
/r/MensRights01/11/16 03:33 PM
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