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It's also social barriers. Women are very social, and put a high value on what their friends think of their partners and whether their partners will get along with their friends. Someone drastically younger or older will always elicit less enthusiasm from the court of the friends when opinions are garnered. Further, due double standards, it's a real anxiety for women to introduce an obviously younger partner, as it is far more likely to be received with a double take than if the genders were rev…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 09:53 AM
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Then they'd have to confront the fact that it's perfectly reasonable for a woman to only find 20% of men attractive, because only 20% of men are even remotely in her age range...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:37 PM
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Yes, and I am disagreeing. Your petty insults only insult your own character. You have said in your own words that men also get the vast majority of compliments from other men, just like women, thus invalidating the argument that only opposite sex compliments are valid. It can all be boiled down to; if it’s good enough for women, why isn’t it good enough for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 03:12 AM
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So you agree that both women and men receive the vast majority of compliments from people of the same sex? Then how are women fine with it, but men aren’t? Doesn’t that imply that the issue is not with the demographics who award compliments, but instead with the mindset of who receives them? That, and bananas and oranges are incomparable, but two bananas from different trees will taste much the same. You present a false dichotomy, and reveal the limits of your thinking through it. Your patronisi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:29 AM
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How is men getting complements from men going to help them understand that complement from women are plutonic??? Because, presuming that the men aren’t romantically interested in each other, this will lead to an acceptance of compliments outside of romantic interest. Do you see how that correlates? Not only that, it’s just generally beneficial to foster closer relationships between men, as having close confidants and people whom you trust can only be a positive in your life. People forget that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:13 PM
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…so why are you on tinder lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:15 AM
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Precisely — I see a lot of people basing their opinions off of experiences had on dating apps, which is just unwise. There’s obviously a specific kind of woman who is drawn to using a dating app, considering how few women actually do. They’re not experiencing the full spectrum of personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:31 PM
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True. "Good communication" is often falsely associated with the ability to listen for long periods of time without speaking yourself. But really, putting your intentions across in a polite but assertive way is good communication -- it benefits you as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:19 AM
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If I could broadcast this on world news I would. This isn't new. Attractiveness will always be a bonus that will push one person ahead of another with all the same traits + attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:16 AM
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100%
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:12 AM
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Have you considered that the issue is with your type, not theirs? These women you know obviously have a type, and it's not you. If you want a relationship, and aren't interested in a long-term friendship, then just don't. Find women who are interested in dating you, instead of these women who obviously aren't interested in you. And if being friends with them stresses you out... then don't be friends with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:12 AM
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Oh yes, absolutely. They perpetuate the systems they seek to destroy, and pointing this out is an act of sacrilege against the holy word of Redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:14 PM
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As a human, I happen to have paid at least a few times for things -- believe it or not. If you think the basis for a good relationship is breaching someone's verbal confirmation, you're certainly not someone who should be giving any opinion on relationships at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 04:04 AM
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Too true -- you may ruffle some feathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:19 AM
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What? Tackle him to the ground and scream "for honour and glory!" or something? He's an adult too. He doesn't have to pay unless he wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:16 AM
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Exactly. The only way this'll ever change is if every single man agrees to stop paying for dinners. Which won't happen, because they'd all immediately stab each other in the back and take advantage of the men who actually complied.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:13 AM
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For someone named after the first European to see America, you certainly weren’t the first person to see the point :I
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:33 AM
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You use a certainty, I point out an exception. Next time, don't lie. Additionally, does the fact that men are MANDATED to stay ring a bell? They're not staying by free will, and nor was Ukraine a full equality country before the war. It's incomparable. Apples and oranges.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 08:42 PM
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Well, it wouldn’t be an IQ bell curve without the low scores, would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 03:41 AM
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Well, the one I was replying to of course. Seems sort of self-explanatory, doesn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 01:03 AM
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They weren’t ‘solid lovers’, and she ‘didn’t love them’ are two very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:48 PM
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You won't find any redpillers here. It challenges their dogma.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:07 AM
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No, they are.
/r/ExRedPill08/03/22 07:04 AM
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Exactly. There are up to 30 men for every woman. But no, if women just "took initiative", this would solve itself obviously. Definitely.
/r/ExRedPill08/03/22 07:03 AM
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Notice how despite there being a large number of redpillers here, none of them want to tackle this reply. They're too scared of the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:01 AM
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you have*
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:00 AM
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"you won't put yourself through 9 months of pain and 18 years of responsibility for something only I want? Ugh, you obviously don't love me" She just loved herself as much as she loved them. You shouldn't have to become a trash can just because they're trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 06:58 AM
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Don’t project on me, I’ve said nothing of the sort. You just want someone to tell you that you’re doing great for being a virgin yet judging people who aren’t. I won’t, find someone else. Fiverr is a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:58 PM
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I should mention; most women I know don’t think 20 is too old. 25 is where the limit is pushed. College is a different world though. A lot of the ‘sex crazy’ women were policed by their parents in highschool, and are just enjoying the newfound freedom. Not necessarily a bad thing, but they will peter out eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:29 PM
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Exactly. It’s defo a cultural thing as well. When I visit family in the Netherlands they’re super open minded to sex. Like most parents will be completely straight faced in asking you “is he any good in bed?”. If I didn’t grow up with it, it’d be super weird. But in where I am in Australia it’d be unheard of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:24 PM
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If it’s like a religious/spiritual choice than that’s alright. Shows he has commitment. If it’s involuntary, that’s a red flag and a half. There are some desperate ladies out there too; if even they said no, that’s a burning bush for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:19 PM
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Lol who’s paying you to spread propaganda on r/exredpill
/r/ExRedPill12/02/22 02:18 AM
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Comes back to the age-old adage; “men are afraid women will judge them. Women are afraid men will kill them.” That, and most bars were once men only + hookers. That changed on it’s own when bars realised they could maximise profit by allowing everyone in. This is the same argument that one might use around race-segregated bars — ie, not a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:25 PM
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It really depends on the cultural normality of sex place to place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 11:03 AM
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Interesting how well that works out for men. They get to do whatever they want, and the woman will always be less experienced. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 10:59 AM
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Because it also affects mindset; women who know they have more options are pickier. It would most likely be the same result visa-versa.
/r/ExRedPill01/02/22 07:55 AM
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But this whole concept is viciously flawed. Does anyone believe that a healthy, attractive, and kind woman who has plenty of success on Tinder would decide to use Bumble and start messaging first? This skews the data significantly, making it unreliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 06:26 AM
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3-10% is very small when talking about a test for something that does not threaten the child's life in any way. And "not very expensive"? An at-home paternity test sets you back $60 or more. For 100 babies, that's setting the hospital back $6000 better spent on actual patients. Now of course, you could argue that the parents would pay out of pocket for this; as though having a kid isn't expensive enough already. Not only that, but false negatives are another problem to be addressed. The percenta…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:02 AM
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Yup; it’s more to confirm citizenship than parentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:44 AM
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You’re controversial, but you’re right
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:43 AM
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I would be against this; it is a massive infringement of privacy. If a dad wants to get his kid tested, he can, but mandating it is a ridiculous waste of time and resources considering these tests only come back negative 3-10% of the time and pose no health risk. You can’t possibly justify this kind of money spending; these tests take time and effort and are usually done at specialised clinics or universities. You know why? Become hospitals are busy, bro. They don’t have time for that. In a big …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:42 AM
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I’d like to bring in a few comments; Not everyone experiences discomfort in the same way. Though you and I might be alright to go through some discomfort for the happiness of someone else, another may have another perspective on this; like “why can’t we both enjoy this?” I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is ‘do they need this?’ And judge your willingness to proceed from there, based on your own tolerance level. The issue I see is that many people demand such things from their partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 09:20 AM
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Imo, the guy is average, but the girl is above -- mostly for obviously having a high grooming standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 11:41 PM
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Expressions. The girl has a half smile and a friendly expression, paired with a fitting haircut. The guy stares directly into your soul like he wants to eat it, and has a very standard level of grooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 11:39 PM
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Have you seen mgtow lately? Going their own way for sure 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 08:28 AM
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The concept of financial abortion was never meant for the married man with 5 kids, it is to protect men when an unmarried woman gets pregnant and decides to keep the baby against his consent. So you’re saying that married men with 5 kids would never use that ability out of moral pride? And that even if we somehow managed to create enough rules to exclude married men, that there wouldn’t be some guy knocking up a woman with twins, triplets or quadruplets who initially was for keeping the kids but…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 07:47 PM
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Women can go around and get pregnant a lot and have a lot of abortions if they so choose. And that helps you argument how? If anything, it just seems to prove that guys aren’t careful enough. Financial abortion does not give men 100% of the power it just gives them the same power over their lives that women have over theirs. No, it means that men can choose at any point that they don’t want a family, and choose to just walk out. It means that guys will have no legal responsibility for their chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 10:33 PM
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Women lie, guys avoid the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 01:47 AM
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Effectively, it is. It’s generally agreed upon that two parents should be in the picture to maximise a child’s chance of a healthy upbringing. Even adopting out will still likely get them to a two-parent home. However, simply not owning up to one’s mistakes does not make them go away. It’s like making toast. If you drop the toast on the floor, you can just leave it there. But it’ll go bad and just make your life harder. Or, you can pick it up. Because five second rule, right? The thing is, if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 11:41 PM
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Yeah, the chinese are rough. Most of them have absolutely no shame when it comes to racism. Spanish is probably in the top 10 languages to learn, given that it’s also a Romance language. Creol, that’s not one you here everyday, neither is Japanese. I never got far in Japanese - I’d estimate I’d only understand 1% of written words (which is bad). Oh, latin? My mother always said she wanted to teach it to me, but she never got around to it before I left. Latin is definitely an uncommon language to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 11:32 PM
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Do you still know some? I learned Japanese for 3 years in primary school, however I can only count to 10. I also did spanish for 1, but that’s all gone now. I now only have Dutch, Afrikaans, and English (only competent in the first 2, though also ironically they’re my first languages.) Either way, the majority of people don’t, so it’s understandable that Italians wouldn’t know English either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 01:04 PM
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So it would be fair to suggest that all Americans should know Spanish too, since a large portion of their population speak it? Just curious. Also: America is a superpower Using that logic, a lot more people should speak Mandarin that do. But that’s a bit off topic. Karmanger, my point was never that I believed you were wrong, in fact I tried to avoid implying so. It was merely that I noted that that was your interpretation of what I said, however it could be interpreted differently to which you …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 12:51 PM
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Karmanger, I was referring to situational bias. I’ll give you another example. Would you expect an Italian, raised by Italians in Italy, never having gone to an English class to speak English? No, because they’ve never been exposed to english - what reason would they have to know it? My point is, you wouldn’t know if there was another interpretation of my words for you can only see yours at this point in time. You don’t have eyes on the back of your head, you only have two that see what is in fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 11:35 AM
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Well, that’s from your point of view. If someone tied a sheet over your eyes, all you’d ever see is black. That doesn’t mean that other colours don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 11:31 AM
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That’s your interpretation of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 11:25 AM
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Then that’s down to 1) bad judgement and 2) the sneaky, a situation I specifically cited as being different.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 09:45 AM
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The only similar thing about them is subject matter. The fact is, that if you want to be as safe as possible bring your own protection. That is “if you want to be safe during sex, bring your own protection”. Not “don’t have sex”. Those two are completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 09:44 AM
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Yeah, it’s really not similar at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 09:12 AM
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She can in fact not do that, lest the father is legally not in the picture (he is not on the birth certificate nor has vied to be legally recognised as a parent). She cannot adopt out a kid without the father’s consent if he is in the picture, and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 09:11 AM
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The thing is, it should be the guy’s responsibility to f ck trustworthy women. If he gets raped, than that’s of course a whole other matter. But apart from that, he should have a level of responsibility to choose who he f cks carefully. The same goes for women too, but if a woman has unprotected, gets pregnant and knocks on the door for child support, the guy should pay, as he knew what he was getting into doing that. Abortion is mainly a woman’s choice for multiple reasons; 1) pregnancy is hard…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 09:09 AM
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Yeah, it’s kind of a obsession with social standing. Not quite on par with Patrick Bateman and his Valentino suits, but it’s the same idea. The fact is, there can be two people with the same CV applying for the same job, but the more attractive one is more likely to get it regardless of gender. It’s almost like a talent in its own right. The thing is, tight women’s clothes are also stretchy because they’re made to fit like that. The shorts you wore were likely just a size too small, or just a ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 01:38 AM
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Uncomfortable? Do you prance around wearing tight fitting women’s shorts? If not, then how would you know whether they’re uncomfortable? I can tell you that they’re not, source being someone who has actually worn tighter women’s clothing. And gaslighting? Is asking for a source gaslighting now? That seems to summarise your viewpoint quite clearly. “I am not woman, don’t wear tight fitting women’s clothing, but I’m right because I’m right”. Get a sex change, wear the clothes, and then come back t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 01:22 AM
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Then tell me, what evidence do you have that women dress specifically for sexual attention? That they wake up every morning and say “you know what I want to do today? Dress to receive sexual attention!”. Tell me, what evidence do you have? I have the experience of being a female for 23 years under my belt, therefore knowing my own intentions and that of female friends. What do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 09:18 PM
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Cause sometimes those are the only ones in your size. Some women are too small to fit guys clothes. Some women just don’t have a wide selection of clothes. Sometimes it’s just cause women like those ones better. They’re more comfortable, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 07:45 AM
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So if it’s just really warm outside, her intention isn’t to not die of overheating - it’s to look sexy for guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 07:33 AM
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And that’s why the message was 6 paragraphs long, not 1 line.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:43 PM
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Yeah that’s the thing. The 3% of rape cases are proven false statistic isn’t actually accurate - 3% are never proven right, not outright disproven. Someone should try and specify further so we finally know.
/r/MensRights26/06/20 01:30 PM
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Am I still a feminist? Yes. Do I care deeply for Men’s rights and to stop the generalisation that some of my fellow women push on guys? For sure!
/r/MensRights26/06/20 01:27 PM
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It also changes how people treat you when you’re down - being distant and sad is often read as being mysterious, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 07:11 AM
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Who said I was a tall woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 03:25 AM
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Why would I do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 10:46 PM
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Sure doesn’t seem like a reliable source to me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 10:00 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 09:49 PM
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To you they aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 09:34 PM
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Explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 08:49 PM
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To be honest though, shorter women are also often smaller framed and have smaller hips, making childbirth significantly harder and the chances of having a safe delivery diminish significantly, especially in a scenario where a team of doctors, midwifes and nurses would not be present to save the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 08:47 PM
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Well, there are already certain things that short women can’t do - like join the military - but I have yet to see someone complain about it. I guess it’s because it just makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 08:42 PM
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I’m sorry for saying it as it is, then. And yes, you asked a question. I answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:42 AM
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Explain?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy16/06/20 06:49 PM
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Well, the morality of that is situational - is he asking you to just carry all his emotional weight or just support him?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy16/06/20 06:45 PM
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... messaging first? Or if she’s on Tinder, matching all the guys she’s interested with so they already know they have a chance from the get go. If you don’t like that women don’t have to text first, than start a goddamn movement and instead of blaming women for not having to do much to get a date, blame the guys who go with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 06:40 PM
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Height specifics first came to be from tinder. You spend too much time on tinder, so it looks like a bigger issue than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 02:55 AM
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Have you considered that maybe women have different opinions on this issue? You’re currently assuming that all women are hive minded, uniformly thinking creatures that do not have any differing traits or views. But perhaps 50% think the first thing, and 50% the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 02:52 AM
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Does it though?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 02:48 AM
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Because women are never truly single - they’ll nearly always have friends who play the same role as a partner. There’s a reason why often female friendships last less long than male ones. Women share much more with each other, essentially exposing all their secrets, insecurities and wrongdoings to their friends. Men are often more reserved in friendships. They focus more on the physical experiences of having friends than the emotional. It’s just a different game, as Serena Williams said. A lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 02:46 AM
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“I fail to see 'men's porn' on Netflix and Drama TV channels, nor in the local bookstore really either.” Because women’s porn is suggestive, and men’s is just there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 02:38 AM
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Not trying to start a fight, but I believe you’re completely wrong there. It is normally expected that the man initiates, and the woman merely enables. When men are assertive, in all the instances I’ve seen and experienced it’s never a first reaction to think “he just wants to f ck”. It is just expected that this is how all men start off. Of course, it is all situational. The first thought differs in different places.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 02:33 AM
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I’d just stick with my normal routine. Find someone not engaged in conversation, slide on to them, chat and see if they’re nice - if all goes well, ask for their number. Always check their hands for rings, and if they say “I’m in a relationship”, give a chuckle (not a laugh) and say “as friends “
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 02:29 AM
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Am I wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 10:46 PM
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If she says she wants to be sexualised, than do it. Otherwise, stop complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 12:57 PM
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If she says she wants to be sexualised, than do it. Otherwise, stop complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 12:57 PM
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Nothing I said was supposed to be thought provoking. It’s fact. If you choose not to care, then don’t care. Don’t be a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 03:58 AM
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Yes, the whole point of me saying that was to make sure you knew that you weren’t feeling attacked. And yes, you were being somewhat defensive. “I never said women were entirely uncaring” implies you thought I was accusing you of saying such a thing. Now will you respond to the longer text, or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 03:10 AM
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You’re going on defensive here, so let me make sure you know that this isn’t an attack - I’m just saying. Ok, but commonality is dependant on region and what is considered normal - like how speaking french is considered odd in Mexico, speaking Spanish is odd in France. We learn from our parents. Look at what leopards do to their offspring. Once they’re old enough to take care of themselves, their mothers attack them until they flee, never to be seen again. Why? Because leopards are solitary anim…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 03:06 AM
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Then you didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 02:47 AM
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Whoops I think it’s all situational. Where you live and the social norms of the area you live greatly affect women’s opinions and ideas of relationships, as well as men’s. It is impossible to say that such women are rare, as somewhere else they are not. The best thing you can say is “here, women are ______” because I’m gonna be real with you - out of everywhere I’ve ever lived, the women you’re describing (uncaring) are the unicorns.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 02:47 AM
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No, that’s why I said you got the nature of the comments slightly off. They weren’t quite about being vulnerable with partners - they were more likened to “why should I not dump my full emotional weight on my partner even if they don’t seem strong enough to carry it?”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:08 AM
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I think you’re slightly off the mark referring to the nature of the complaints. You know how you would never sh t on the floor of your workplace? Cause that’s disgusting and socially unacceptable? Well, a lot of those guys were saying stuff along the lines of “if I need to go, I need to go - f cking deal with it!”. That’s the main problem people have. Of course, it’s nice to just be yourself. But if being yourself means sh tting on the floor, maybe restrain yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:03 AM
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“If you think you’ve found a unicorn” I didn’t say anything about who I’d found. I was talking about the women this guy found. He has terrible taste. It’s no more complex than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:58 AM
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I’ll have to watch it sometime. “ as an individual, id rather be cool, a winner, and get sex. Screw solving evolution's problems. “ Ok, then never complain again about how women treat you. I have no problem with you doing your own thing, but just know that by doing that you have officially lost all right to complain about women treating you wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:56 AM
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I don’t think that reply really applies to my comment. Did you respond to the right person?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:50 PM
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No woman in the world has ever cared in the history of mankind? Nah bro, you just have terrible taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:10 PM
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Supporting doesn’t always mean coddling. Sometimes it means telling them the truth about how f cked up they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:08 PM
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The thing is, there is a difference between unloading all your problems onto another, and sharing them. A lot of guys do the first thing. Kind of like “thanks for asking, now ______________…………………”. I think this is a result of it being a rare opportunity to share things with others. Either way, do the second thing. “Well, there’s this thing that I can’t stop thinking about insert thing ask other’s opinion” is a better way to go about it imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:05 PM
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Have you considered that by perpetuating this false display, such men are actually just strengthening women’s false interpretation of male emotions and expressions? It’s like how kids learn their first words from their parents - if you teach them the wrong words, they’ll believe you anyway because they don’t know any better. I’m just wondering how we can assume that women do not find emotions attractive when the vast majority have never even seen them before, or know how to recognise them due to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:00 PM
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