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It is completely ethical? No. But it's a coping strategy that men will continue to use if they have found it works. Anyway, if a man is just lying, aren't women supposed to be brilliant at reading between the lines?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 04:43 AM
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I don't understand anyone, male or female, who doesn't want to be rich. Women can marry money quite easily, but they want even more than that, I suppose. I don't know why places that are obviously full of rich men aren't literally swarming with women. I ask women why they haven't been to those places on their continent, even once, even just out of interest. It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that after a few trips, the money it has cost to get there will have been covered. Photogenic women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 11:01 PM
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No. If you were a man and lived through a war in which a lot of other men died, dating did not suck. You would have been deluged with female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:48 AM
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Man is too honest. "Gross" Woman is too honest "Loud applause" Guess this is equality(!)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:46 AM
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MILFs have been the internet's number one kink for about 20 years
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:45 AM
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I think that's all good, but who would teach those classes? Men or women? If the women teachers won't accept how men think, how are they going to agree a syllabus?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:43 AM
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any "cute nerdy gf" at a con would be mobbed by 100 horny nerdy guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:42 AM
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I don't think women's sex drive went down or that men's went up. Do you think they changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:40 AM
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it's a very empty life, and I believe that's true for single women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:39 AM
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I would like governments to recognize that this is a problem, especially if they want the next generation of taxpayers to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:39 AM
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Drinking would help. Most Scandinavians of both sexes are quiet and not very relaxed or forward until they are at least halfway drunk. Without booze, Scandinavians would never get together. Some cultures need booze a lot less, but they all need it, in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:38 AM
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I don't blame men for not attending university or even getting good jobs. If there is no wife and sex at the end of the rainbow, the long, hard rainbow isn't worth traversing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:35 AM
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It would, and that used to happen all the time. After WWI most villages in England had only one or two men left. Russia might be slowly experiencing this now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:32 AM
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I do the same, except the checklist only has about 8 items. How many women fulfill them? approximately none.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:29 AM
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That's ONE thing they could do more often that does help. There will be other things that I can't think of. Understanding doesn't just mean DISPLAYING understanding in conversation, it means intellectually understanding how life sucks for that person having asked the right questions about it. That's what therapists do, and I've used them but it hasn't helped much. If most women did it as a matter of course that would help men feel less alone. Men are too competitive and won't show emotion like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:18 AM
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OK. You said "If she's not interested, she's not interested." which seemed to imply that a LOT of women would be not interested despite the money factor. What % of women do you suppose are not interested in a millionaire man of the same age and race as her? "Do you only have a job or earn money for the sake of pussy?" No. I would only have a job and sources of income for the sake of women and to have a relationship with them. I'm not going to refer to them all as "pussy." Nobody would rather be …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:10 AM
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Men get into a vicious cycle of rejection > depression > unattractiveness > rejection. Hugs and sympathy help with the depression part. When a woman refusing to absolve all other women for their choices and "questionable" taste in men is very sympathetic and understanding. Women should try dating women just to see what it's like, and even then they won't face the same societal pressure to be seen to succeed at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:28 AM
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and if a 80% of women aren't interested despite a man being a millionaire, then why have a job or earn any money in the first place? In Europe being poor doesn't cause absolute poverty. It only causes relative poverty because of the safety net.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:24 AM
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To my parents they are an end. Lots of parents, not just mine, are desperate for grandchildren. I wonder if wannabe grandparents in the west will soon move to Indian style arranged marriages, because that's the only idea left.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:59 PM
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I second wtknight. Sympathy, not in the form of "oh poor you", but in the form of understanding. I've had a few women initiate entirely platonic hugs because some of them actually understood how miserable I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:57 PM
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Statistically that might be true, but there are still a lot of unhappy single women hidden by that stat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:54 PM
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I think they should take a few more chances and reject men LATER than they do. E.g. women might reject a millionaire because they never had the gall to ask whether he is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:52 PM
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That misses the motivation of others and myself in dating at all. I'm not dating to date. I'm dating so that one day I can reach the status of BEING DONE WITH DATING. I could give up now and reach that status, but there are too many downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:51 PM
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Given that low birthrates are a problem for some states, maybe The State should be coming up with solutions instead of saying "nothing to do with us."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:50 PM
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I have always envied lesbians. I'm well aware of how much men suck (and I don't except myself), and so I've always thought that lesbians had better taste in partners. I often feel like asking straight women why they aren't dating women, and it's not because the idea is a turn-on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:48 PM
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I don't want a stay at home wife or children. If a women doesn't care about me providing, I might as well spend the excess on other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:46 PM
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I don't fear losing a fight. I fear that I won't have emotional control and that I will "win" it so comprehensively that I end up in prison. So I never confront anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:43 PM
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It means we have a class system in my country. I suppose you can blame the French for invading us and giving us one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 09:16 AM
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Reason enough to not have banned those subreddits, then. It's digital nimbyism. "Out of sight, out of mind, so.. problem solved!" It isn't solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:58 PM
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I think they should come out of the closet and just say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 08:34 PM
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thanks. I've always thought monogamy was stupid. It's good for the offspring, and committment to one person is a turn-on, but that's it. It doesn't last.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:05 PM
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Chinese factories will make anything without regard to morality, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:03 PM
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I don't know what happens when people start parading them around proudly like a real partner. People are already putting realdolls in the passenger seat to use the carpool lane. "Yes, officer, she's my PA. She doesn't say much."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:03 PM
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If they are even 80% as fun as sex with a real woman, what they will cause is that most men will never leave their homes, for a job or anything else. Maybe just to visit their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:01 PM
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I suspect a good 20% of the people who buy them when they get good will be women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:58 PM
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They might not be an easier lay, but they are not addled because they didn't grow up with social media, reality TV and smartphones. Women over 45 didn't have mobile phones until their 20s, and they were Nokias that played snake! Tiktok is the worst culprit, but yes, Kim K and Paris Hilton WERE bad role models for a generation of girls. P!nk was right about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:54 PM
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I've never seen any women outside of North America use them as insults. Not even in the UK which always "benefits" from great US cultural exports like LA gang culture, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:49 PM
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People seem to let their smarts go to their head, and then they become earnest, annoying, loud know-it-alls, negating how attractive their brains could have made them. Modesty doesn't just mean a high neckline.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:41 PM
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I don't want women to be submissive, and if them being smart is intimidating, then I must be attracted to being intimidated.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:40 PM
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I'd answer with helpful tips, but this subreddit has just left me depressed. Nobody ever changes their mind, or accepts my premises, or is willing to talk about the other 200 countries that are not the USA. Sex drive reduces with time. Forgetting the past gets easier as your memory gets worse. You can't "make up for it". Just practice thinking about tomorrow and next week instead of the past. One thing to do is to realise that sex is nowhere near as much fun as it looks in porn or even in regula…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:34 PM
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If true, does that mean they are as committment phobic as men, or still less than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:30 PM
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But it's pathetic to care that other people think one is pathetic. I don't use OF. I know they are acting, but sometimes the acting is impressively good and I can see why men like it. The men using it are often not even single. They like the thrill of emotionally cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:29 PM
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IF "everyone not always getting what they want is a travesty" If you enjoy the fact that people have bad genes, disabilities, bad school systems, etc. thrust upon them, then I can't help you. You seem to believe in meritocracy because you feel deserve success more when you get it. It negates impostor syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:28 PM
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Yes, but you can cross the border from Poland. I was in Kraków a few months ago and I could have kept going east. You won't have any valid car insurance, but it can be done. If the whole of western Ukraine is now too scary for most men to visit, maybe I will have it all to myself. The war does not really scare me. Even people in Kyiv are just keeping calm and carrying on. Western govts are free to advise against travel, and I am free to ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:21 PM
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But it's pathetic to care that other people think one is pathetic. I don't use OF. I know they are acting, but sometimes the acting is impressively good and I can see why men like it. The men using it are often not even single. They like the thrill of mentally cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:19 PM
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I don't use OF. And European houses don't have room for home gyms. I think those orgs get their cannon fodder from men who want their life to matter. It's a stupid goal. Almost nobody makes a difference to history and it's usually a difference for the worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:15 PM
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Literacy makes one unattractive, then? TY for the clarification. I really thought you meant literal, because that's usually what people mean. And I agree with OP overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:05 PM
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I don't want to be. I want to be happier with my life to the point where it was worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:12 PM
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Well, I'm only going to date women realistic and cynical enough to admit they are a trophy as well as a person
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:10 PM
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I don't think humans are monogamous, so I would never believe any promise to not cheat in the first place. Therefore, no pain when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:07 PM
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you mean it's their planet, by the sound of it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:03 PM
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Any woman who uses those as insults is horrible and extremely unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:03 PM
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Ukraine isn't off limits. I don't know why Americans think it's too dangerous to visit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:02 PM
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Not yet. Is it full of women trying to find rich guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:59 PM
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That is true, but the desperate single men need SOME generalities to work with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:56 PM
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Mostly because I can't believe it's legal. All the other things that are fun are illegal, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:54 PM
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Which makes dating like your first job. Job requires experience, which means you need to have already done that job.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:51 PM
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well, only if everyone not always getting what they want is a travesty. I would say that it is a travesty, but that's a philosophical question. Why can't the cosmos give us everything we want? I never understand the "you deserve pain" or "you deserve nothing" positions. I want to fully abolish all scarcity, even scarcity of love. There's nothing I can do except leave the cosmos a 2/10 google maps review on my way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:47 PM
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he's probably not gen z then. I believe men under 5'9 in their 20s now will really struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:43 PM
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you are getting awfully close to "all power imbalances made it non-consensual and money is a power imbalance." leftie rubbish.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:41 PM
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it's their money. unless you want a command economy... so that nobody can every make "bad" financial decisions. paternalism again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:39 PM
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If feminism is the problem, and I'm not saying that it isn't, then female feminists are not less culpable than male feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:37 PM
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What else are simps supposed to be doing with an extra 45 minutes per day?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:36 PM
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No. It's a logical transaction. If the feeling of that is feels better than the other things the money can buy, that's the right thing to spend it on. When money comes easy it can easy go.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:35 PM
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I would think a women who didn't at least ask was odd, or being a poseur. (posing as an anti-materialist.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:33 PM
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Hot guys who have never had a job and are in prison get horny letters from women. If they are attracting female attention without effort, they are alpha, by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:30 PM
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So men who want trophies should stick to supercars and forget about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:29 PM
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Also true of Bill Gates. Women prefer a man be employed and solvent, but once he has a few million, it doesn't make that much difference if he then ends up with billions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:28 PM
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thank you. When I tell people on PPD that money usually makes no difference to women they simply refuse to believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:26 PM
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I'm glad you wrote generally, because that allows for exceptions. I think gold-diggers are just being sensible. In fact, they are being far more sensible than women who go for muscles and cheekbones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:25 PM
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Unless golddiggers are more likely to be ugly, then that's not true. Somebody will want them if they look nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:24 PM
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Not true. Millionaire men want women and still can't get them. I don't know why you say "of course" they will be "part of his reward." SOME women like to be trophies. Most don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:22 PM
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then why do women have an image of being the less shallow gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:13 PM
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Women can either go for a guy who can cheat and probably will or a guy who can't and so he won't. They choose the first guy, and that's the correct choice because then the complain about him and that's part of the fun. I'm not condemning that because feeling like the victim and being self-righteous IS fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:09 PM
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I don't like referring to women (or to myself) as if they are products on a shelf. But not many women are attractive to me, and it's not their looks. It's their voices, shallowness, ignorance, class etc. Should I pursue women I find unattractive just for practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:41 PM
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Ok, well if you want to worry about that, do so. But I wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:37 PM
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I'm not against them doing it, because I am not being a snob. But in some places it's actually counterproductive. Americans don't seem to believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:35 PM
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Ok, well then we'll end up with a thread that I had already had too many times before on PPD. I will claim that in Europe women don't care about my salary, houses (plural) etc. and you will disagree and we won't get anywhere. Unless I am somewhere known for flaunting wealth like central London or Puerto Banus, nouveau riche behaviour is abhorred.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:29 PM
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I believe they will enjoy owning a robot, but that it won't give them the other things that a real relationship would. I believe women will own robots too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:25 PM
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But negativity feels more honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:23 PM
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with significant *eventual* results. you'll notice that commercials don't promise slow results from a product. because that's not what people want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:22 PM
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True. If I was on an average income I would have been married ages ago. Being rich means I have to be super careful about marrying anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:20 PM
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if that were true, women need to fear being replaced by robots. But robots won't be able to most of the things we want and need, so they won't replace women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:13 PM
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But then what is the personal growth FOR?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:12 PM
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Why? because being single is great, or because asking a man out is courting trouble?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:11 PM
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Lots of men are quite happy for a woman to tie themselves to them for financial convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:07 PM
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Market prices are clearing at that level because people are in dual earning households. Unless one person in each house (not necessarily the woman) stops working that's what will happen. Prices reflect demand..
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:06 PM
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thanks for the word of the day. It's a rare pleasure to encouter a word I've never seen before.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:03 PM
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if they only care about money, then are they really even attracted to men in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:02 PM
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US men can quit the US dating market by dating elsewhere. I believe the technology exists for transatlantic travel now. Not that anybody uses it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:01 PM
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I don't understand why people think that stigmatizing something somehow eradicates it or helps the people who suffer from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:00 PM
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But that just makes the point that even a tiny bit of success makes all the difference mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:57 PM
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I don't trust any of this data. How many people give honest answers to surveys about their sex lives? especially in a country with such a strong element of Christian shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:57 PM
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If every other man on the planet could do that right now, I'd be fine. But that won't happen. I'll embrace it and the other men won't, and we are back to square one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:54 PM
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yes. It's not really much to do with women at all. It's just as you say. It's because we care what other men think of us. Eventually everyone gets old enough to stop caring what people think. That's basically a superpower that takes 70 years of living to develop.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:53 PM
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If men weren't willing to go to "lengths", 90% of straight women would be single. They aren't, so men are obviously tolerant, patient pushovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:51 PM
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Well the robots will come along eventually, and then women will see what men want. Lots of men will just never leave the house, and only then will women realise how much of the other stuff was just a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:48 PM
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But when your expectations of getting anywhere despite huge effort are on the floor, through experience, you just opt out by default. And those expectations produce worse outcomes too, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:46 PM
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which costs MONEY.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:44 PM
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exactly this. I travel a lot and do loads of great stuff. But it seems a lot less meaningful when it's not shared.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:43 PM
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Culture as in high culture or just non-geeky popular culture? I don't think geeky cutlure is a turnoff. Some of the most attractive women I know have hobbies far geekier than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:41 PM
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it's not just connected to being in one now. it's inextricably linked to being in one occasionally or ever. If Mr X thinks it's a sign of failure, then it is. Other people don't get to reset a man's personal goals and wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:39 PM
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Are you saying we need more than 6 figures for a hug or that we can easily get a hug while earning the median salary?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:37 PM
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If our friends do better than us we just resent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:34 PM
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Those things might be malleable, but only if they are changed at an early age. Maybe schools should teach boys not to value all these things that they are never going to get. Women, a 9-5 job, a house etc. All those things that people had under Reagan that now don't seem to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:32 PM
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That strategy is just "hoist the white flag".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:30 PM
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I've never had any man tell me intimate details. I wouldn't respect a man who did, and not just because the woman wouldn't want him to. We all just want ot be James Bond. When we see those movies as teenagers, the fact that James must be at least sometimes using a condom or getting a disease never enters our heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:29 PM
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Could you tell me which older male dominated subs you are referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:22 PM
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Collective action produces different results to the actions of a few. That's why workers form unions. We would need a union of men with very strong enforcement. Anyone who dates would be a scab?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:22 PM
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That's not single. That's Technically Single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:18 PM
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Is the takeaway supposed to be "planet's full, so let's all give it a rest" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:17 PM
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If the people desperate for it could afford to pay for the amount they want, I think they would be a lot less angry and unattractive. Most people don't earn enough for that to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:15 PM
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That's not how it works. Being single reduces your attractiveness AND your motivation to fix it. People don't make more effort in proportion to the size of a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:14 PM
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Should I pray to someone I don't think is listening, despite that making no sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:12 PM
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I believe that I probably will stop needing external validation, but by the time that happens I will be 75. So, that's not an idea that works at all now, or any time soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:07 PM
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Because the costs of being single are high, and I don't mean costs financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:05 PM
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No. That would be to fail at the most important thing in life. And it's the most important thing to me because I decided that it is, and it's my life so I get to decide. I am not just responding to peer and parental pressure to be "normal". If I fail, I fail, but I'm not going to call it a different flavour of success. If someone had decided to base their life around model trains and getting all the cool ones (eg. Rod Stewart) I'd say that was cool. I would never tell anyone they had set the wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:04 PM
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The issue is demographic. There are just not enough attractive, intelligent women in any one place. They are spread, thinly, across the world. That's why I visit 15 countries a year and even then the number of people worth talking to is very small. Writing lmao and lol is a good indicator of unsuitability and/or being too young. Beauty is a trait that all, not "many" men desire. Inner and outer beauty are non-negotiable requirements. I am not going to change my standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:30 AM
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Everybody should be ok with it, because everyone is going to be obese eventually. I'll be sure to tell fat women whom I want to bang that their weight is all their fault. I'm sure that will get me laid(!)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:22 AM
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Why is it not called trafficking when a corporation hires someone from another country?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:56 AM
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I think he means they are relatively more submissive than a woman doing an advanced degree at an elite college.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:55 AM
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What about overweight men who make 200k?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:54 AM
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I though desirability was in the eye of the beholder. Men aren't desired because western women don't desire them. Men don't have personality flaws more than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:53 AM
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Most immigrants pay for themselves. America is not short of space or jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:51 AM
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Yes, but those woman CAN'T emigrate to the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:50 AM
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Unfortunately American seem to be in favour any solution except the one that would actually work. They seem to just be against immigration in general. Improving the ratio of women to men is the main thing that will help men. Women in Russia were in fierce competition with each other before the war and they are even more now, with so many men lost to wars and alcoholism. Yet none of these women can move to Europe or the US. Men have to (pay up and) go get them instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:49 AM
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We had universal women's suffrage in 1918 in the UK. That means that even my great grandmother could vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:34 PM
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I don't know why women do settle for poor guys, and stupid guys, and sexist guys, but they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:33 PM
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That's what people always say. It's wrong. Genes control everything. If you are thin it's because your parents were thin, and your gut bacteria still works. Thin people eat more, not less, because they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:31 PM
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The fact that agencies in the US work badly and corruptly does not mean that is the case everywhere else. These things CAN be made to work in a way that serves the people and the common good.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:37 PM
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Which is why I said "spare". If you aren't willing to spend it without thinking about your willingness to part with it, you can't spare it. Patreon memberships are a good example. I spend over 200 dollars a month on them because that's a tiny amount that still improves my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:34 PM
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That female behaviour now is NOT the same AT ALL to our grandmothers. I thought that was obvious. I am disagreeing with you that women did all the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:32 PM
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yes. something's either private or public, so that's the only alternative. There are private sector companies that choose not to maximize profits. They tend to do very well. But that's anathema to US capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:30 PM
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not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:27 PM
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If fat people could lose weight without ozempic, they would lose it. They are all using ozempic, so what does that say? They don't so they can't. I don't care if a women is 50% heavier than me as long as she is tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:26 PM
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"demand" to an economist is wants, but only when the consumer has the money to back those wants up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:25 PM
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Lots of men want no commitment, and to bang a new girl every day. The answer to "how can I get it?" is "you can't." And that's not women. It's the cosmos. The desire for quantity and variety will mean men will need not just a sex robot, but dozens of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:22 PM
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But demanding women are hot. I don't mean they are being demanding because they can be due to hotness. I mean the ego they have is hot in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:20 PM
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It takes 25 years for men to reach their potential, even if they are rich when they are 21. Why would you expect someone of 30 to be "finished"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:19 PM
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But, and this is a question all women should ask themselves, not just you, was what you are looking for based on emotion or logic? and is it based on what single men can genuinely "bring" to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:18 PM
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I've got all that. It's not what women HERE want. Maybe I would be doing well if I could afford to live in some rich, very Democrat part of the US where they are rejecting Republican men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:15 PM
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I am, but that's because I can't tell which men are hot and which are not, so the men some really pretty women go for just seem ugly to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:13 PM
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If someone is illiterate, or has never been to another country, Europeans are going to look down on them, and that kind of insularity, even if entirely economic, will make them incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:10 PM
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It's not sensible to demand things you can't expect to get. If a woman is a 6, she can't get those things. If she is a 10, she probably can. The problem is women thinking they are 8 or above when they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:07 PM
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One solution: tell women that tattoos are unattractive to basically all men, without it being seen as "controlling a woman's body".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:05 PM
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I don't think pairing up for 5+ years should be the goal. Gay relationships last less than a day. If only straight dating was like that. I don't believe humans should be monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:05 PM
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How am I going to remember who I kissed in 1994? and how is anyone else going to know if I am being truthful?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:01 PM
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"You should date me, fraulein. I have a hot air balloon so we can escape to the west"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:00 PM
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If we end capitalist society, then I will be a man who is no richer than anyone else trying to get a woman, instead of a man who is richer than 99% of guys who still can't get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:00 PM
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a for-profit company can still take the open source code, put it on a server, and then make the same evil tweaks to it without breaking the license.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:59 PM
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Do women assume that hot guys are rich? How do they know who is rich and who is not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:56 PM
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But if the women men want don't exist, or live over 500 miles away, that won't work. The best in-person conversations I've had were with US women who were on vacation or studying in Europe. That's happened a dozen times, because Europeans don't like talking to strangers at all. They were all women who left the US bubble, impressed that I had left the UK bubble to travel. They are just glad to have someone to talk to in English with at least one common interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:56 PM
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Both my grandmothers are dead and they both told me the only man they each had sex with ever was my grandfathers. I really don't think they were lying, or they wouldn't have told me anything in the first place. Sluts existed in every generation, but back then women, slutty or not, didn't talk about their activities. Most of them today don't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:48 PM
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Not true, but there is an element of truth, for cultural reasons. There is a cultural preference towards paleness in most of Asia, and since most humans are in Asia, once you add on Europe and North America, that's a majority of the world. But it's not true everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:46 PM
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Those AI ratings still suck. They can't even guess ages correctly, never mind hotness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:44 PM
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To do that you have to have a company run them that is not trying to maximise profits. Not a private sector company.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:43 PM
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I used to enjoy going through 100 questions on okc. Millennials and later don't seem to have the attention span.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:42 PM
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If you can't even spare $100, then you haven't got your s*** together, and I'm not saying that just to give you the experience of being a man trying to date without being a millionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:40 PM
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Hence my answer on this threat: don't have the private sector run the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:39 PM
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in the US it might be, if people are obsessed with the "status" conferred by having a thin woman on your arm. It's not my number one concern or even top 5. They are upbringing, class, brains (and lack of ignorance), face, height.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:37 PM
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Are you advocating lying in general? in life? in relationships? as a dating strategy? Since you see no downsides to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:33 PM
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Take away the profit motive. If govts really want people to get together and raise kids in a stable household, which they do, because the pensions (social security) system is going to go bankrupt, then govts should not leave this to the private sector. The incentives private sector app makers face prevent the apps actually working. Relying on the innate sex drive of humans is not enough any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:30 PM
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Make college free? Have a social safety net etc. all that crazy "commie" crap that works fine everywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:27 PM
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Unless they offer a much better passport (fairly unlikely) and or a lot more money than I already have (very unlikely), as well as being nice etc., I am not going to marry them. If a woman of the right age works in Silicon Valley and has made a ton of money, then she's wife material. Whether there is mutual love is pretty irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:23 PM
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Not shaving and not getting circumcised is normal outside the US. It's mainly the US that regards these things as essential in terms of hygiene. Christian puritanism has left the US as the most germophobic and hygiene-obsessed country in the world. I don't know how or why, but it has.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:19 PM
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Well I already knew marriage was bad, well before TRP was a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:00 PM
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which I never signed up for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:05 PM
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Nice debating skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:41 PM
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I never signed up for a competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:41 PM
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I can accept that as true at face value. However -- if I think it not true there is a dating crisis, then I will say so, and think that solutions that work systemically are needed BECAUSE the number affected is high. If I think everything is just fine, then the men who do have problems become more of an outlier and get even less sympathy, attention, etc. so I will then think that solutions are needed DESPITE the number affected being low, and the situation being "niche". Being in a smaller minor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:40 PM
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Power is the ultimate aphodisiac. I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and run for office.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:21 PM
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And when many industries were made more efficient, thousands of men ended up being unemployed in dying towns (or just Detroit) for decades. The same applies to dating. Do we really want it to be at maximum efficiency?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:20 PM
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Plenty of guys in Europe with their own house and enough money to fly to Asia... who have to fly to Asia, because there is nobody for them. So many cultures in Asia that are actually willing to admit money is important. Where do you live? The Sound of Music is my go-to example. So many women saw that movie as girls and still love it. They say "I want to live in that, which is basically a castle on a lake". Ok then. So stop chasing after guys who can't. Admit what you want and use millionaire dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:19 PM
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Europe is more egalitarian. It's not actually that equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:43 AM
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this Cartesian dualism, dividing the country into two camps who disagree with each other on everything is mostly a US thing, so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:42 AM
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But don't call Poland or Czechia eastern Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:40 AM
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best generally for everything, or just best for dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:40 AM
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Factually they think it is legal, and they are legally correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:39 AM
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The IMAGE of L.A. esp with the Valley being the world centre of the pronz industry, is not puritanical. But the image is misleading.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:37 AM
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But the charts show that the UK is much more like the US than the rest of Europe. That's not surprising, but it is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:36 AM
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Yes. It quickly became "women are incapable of lying. Everything they claim is true." which naturally caused men to fear a SINGLE accusation as being the end of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:28 AM
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Capitalism-bashing (as if there is a workable alternative) is the ultimate turn off to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:26 AM
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I don't think the internet was better when women didn't use it. I have had several in-person interactions with women (in my own city, not in Asia) whom I never would have met without OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:25 AM
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Men's self-reported happiness might be stable over time. That doesn't mean it is high (enough).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:23 AM
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What about the boys who hate all sport? or just can't physically do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:21 AM
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I don't get wanting to be a breadwinner. Obviously we all want "bread". But do men really want to have to go out to work for it every day? Or do they want to be retired and rich asap?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:20 AM
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"You think you're gonna make me softer with your fancy car. Ah-ha-ha." (no they don't)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:18 AM
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Ok, well, I can do everything except plumbing. Not sure how I convey that on a first date with the kind of subtlety that women demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:16 AM
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It's also his fame, grooming, clothes etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:14 AM
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Not in Europe. We aren't all actually socialists, but there is a reason that Americans think we are. What do you regard as big dollars? How much would you spend on an NYC 2 day shopping trip?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:11 AM
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Women can be promiscuous without men. They can sleep with women. Not as easily as with men, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:08 AM
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What about the No Scrubs video? I thought that was a standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:07 AM
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But other people who see me with you will only see your looks. Your other great attributes will not make any difference. You could have PhD. They won't know that you do. They will just look at your face and body.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:06 AM
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They are completely right to care about it. But I would say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:04 AM
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I am doubtful of grass's purported magical powers. I have visited about 15 major European cities in the last year. Is that "grassy" enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:03 AM
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Anyone can if their standards are low enough, yes. Mine are very high and can't be lowered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:02 AM
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I don't really care about a woman's salary, because I don't need to, BUT her salary is a strong indicator of her socio-economic class. And I very much care about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:01 AM
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Well, I do. Because it's just nice to be wanted at all. I don't really care why. And being wanted for that works because economic security is one thing that I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:59 AM
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If I was young enough to have this attitude, I would probably open with "What do you think of men?" and if she even hints at men being dangerous in general, just stop talking to her. MOST men had mothers and fathers who brought them up to be violent towards nobody. If she thinks that's normal for the masses, she's flat wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:57 AM
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But I know men who were super-attractive when they were 13, and they did nothing except wear deodorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:54 AM
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I can be extremely expressive. But they won't like what I have to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:52 AM
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Most guys "are dating" because you include guys who are dating women who are dating other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:50 AM
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I have never been able to meditate. I have never been able to reduce or increase my level of lust. I don't believe it is at all "tame-able"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:48 AM
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So would you if grammar is the criterion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:39 AM
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When you say "expect" do you mean as in genuinely anticipate, or demand? They should want a rich, tall man. Actually DEMANDING one is pretty pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:37 AM
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Yes, that seems broadly true to me, and every woman I know who has them is overjoyed to have them. I'm happy for their happiness. But I can't respect it intellectually.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:35 AM
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Right, so as long as men are only secretly perverts, that's ok? Because all men are absolute perverts whether they reveal it or not. Reject all perverts on principle if you want, but you basically can't "operate as" a straight woman under that rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:30 AM
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Once again the word "potential" is doing a lot of scaring. Anybody is potentially anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:27 AM
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Attractiveness is not purely based on age.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:26 AM
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If society is as bad as you say, why would I want to have children grow up in it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:25 AM
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yeah, I'd say 80% of people suck at using their autonomy. But I'm still all for freedom, because coercive governments suck worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:25 AM
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If every man not born to a millionaire family is servicing six figure student loan debt until they are 32, then it's not surprising they are too poor to date. Need I remind again how many of these things are funded out of general taxation in Europe. I pay hardly any income tax and get tons of stuff for free. How? I, and everyone else, pays huge consumption taxes instead. Taxes on sugar, fuel, alcohol, cigarettes, cars, insurance, airfares, imports, general products, .. the list is endless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:19 AM
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I AM missing out. There is no doubt about that. It's not just fomo. You are doubtless also missing out on the things I get to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:16 AM
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I've never had any problem calibrating my cynicism to reality, since being about 15. I don't know why people need the media to shock them into being cynical, or why people end up too cynical because the media talks about edge cases instead of normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:15 AM
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The thing is: a woman being told she "can do better" can almost always do better. They just usually choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:12 AM
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Because those men still exist. Out of sight should not be out of mind. If you never pass any homeless people, do you forget that homelessness is a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:11 AM
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Which is extremely selfish. I wouldn't inflict existence on anybody just to have something cute to gawp at. I love children, but they were all selfishly or accidentally created by other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:08 AM
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I'd do that if it was guaranteed to prevent conception. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:07 AM
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Yes, it's that we were expected to do adulting, get jobs, house, mortgage, car, clearly CHOSEN career, field, specialism, etc. BEFORE we had done something we were allowed (in the UK) to do at age 16. If I am allowed the prize now, why is there a 20 year long assault course between me and it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:06 AM
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Women don't just divorce men for acting "wrong". They divorce men because they get tired of the same person. "The Seven Year Itch" it was called.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:03 AM
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Yes, well I have heard it said that even "Swinging London" did not exist. It was basically just Mick Jagger. Even the Beatles had stable girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:00 AM
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Hookup culture has been around since the invention of the contraceptive pill. It's not new.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:59 PM
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Lonely men were angry for centuries, well before the internet existed. Read what Richard III says in that play.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:58 PM
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The US and Arab world is still shaming that female nature. Northern Europe doesn't pile shame onto women for behaving like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:56 PM
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Marriage is ok, but divorce courts are bad, at least how they work in practice in the west. A 20 year gap is too big because of generational difference, not because of age per se. The post 9-11 world a 20 year old girl has grown up in is so much lower trust than the world I grew up in. The gap in what is seen as normal is unbridgeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:55 PM
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The problem with that insult is that it implies that women collectively are great or infallible at choosing who to sleep with. They aren't, and it's not even a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:51 PM
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I have never mocked fat women or ever heard men mock them. The most "offensive" thing men have said about them is how hot they are. And I say offensive because some people are offended by any male desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:44 PM
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I don't think anyone who uses that term is actually referring to the facial hair itself, or even as an unshaven person. They are referring to a personality type. Pretty hard to change your personality just like it's hard to change your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:42 PM
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You want men to stop being blatantly, offensively horny? Never going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:38 PM
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Ukrainians defending themselves are fighting for capitalism?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:31 PM
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Speak for yourself. I don't want to pass on my genes to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:30 PM
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This is why journalists, for example, tend to end up being immoral. They reason, correctly, that if they don't do x, y, z unethical things, some psychopath will come along, do those things, and get the story instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:29 PM
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Gen Z absolutely does not accept they are obligated to do what their employer asks. Their only obligation is to their own current feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:24 PM
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It makes no sense to say there are no leagues, but only in one direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:21 PM
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I agree with the books. It's mad to date someone who doesn't read. But I draw the line at most, not all, vegetables.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:20 PM
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I'm very likeable. The problem is that people only realise how likeable I am on the 5th date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:17 PM
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The majority of men in the US aged 18-25 have not, according to the latest post-covid stats I have seen. The drought is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:16 PM
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I am not needy, but I do equate sex to success which is not the same as happiness, and I care about people seeing me as not successful at life. What's the "5 step process" to stop caring what others think? I don't think there is one. People care about what they care about. Telling them to care about different things won't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:15 PM
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That's just being innumerate. Being a billionaire isn't "twice as hard" as being a millionaire. It's 1,000 times as hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:10 PM
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My country is full of 6 foot tall men who have had to settle with ugly, short women, or leave the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:06 PM
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Ok, then when people tell me to lower my standards, I will tell them my preferences are allowed to be unfair, like everyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:00 PM
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If the definition of conservative is Trumpism, then most of the Republicans in Congress are not conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:58 PM
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I assume you mean "literal". Not very literate of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:57 PM
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It's alpha to be able to. But you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:57 PM
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They are no more stupid than people from any random country. But they are much more ignorant. Nobody in Scandinavia would put up with half the corruption and crap public services that Americans regard as 100% normal and unalterable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:55 PM
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So progressive really means "women get absolutely everything they want". Thanks for clearing that up. I wonder why men aren't progressive. Gender wars are to some extent a zero sum game, so nobody can fully "support" both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:52 PM
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Not unique. Rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:50 PM
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Which party do conservaitve women vote for there now? Still CDU? or are they too left-tainted after Merkel?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:49 PM
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Nothing wrong with BEING progressive. But anyone who uses such a pretentious word about themselves is far too earnest to date. Put 100 progressives in a room and they will all disagree about what counts as progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:48 PM
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But I approve of gold digging. It is sensible. Why are people content to remain poor? The poor get screwed over wherever they live.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:45 PM
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But age does define generation. Millennials are famously completely different to everything that came before. I'd date a 25 year old who had the opinions and taste of someone born in 1940 if such a person existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:41 PM
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How are you doing this? Are you sitting in a Bentley in the photos?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:40 PM
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They care more about their smartphones and their image above all else, including the looks and personality of suitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:39 PM
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I don't think you are suggesting remaining mute on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:38 PM
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A tiny minority of men do that, so that equation is unfair to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:37 PM
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is replying to deleted comments even possible
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:35 PM
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It depends how easily or quickly you can earn the few thousand dollars (or equiv) that it takes to do that. Some people earn a thousand dollars or more for a day of work. I don't earn that much btw. You might say that people who earn that much won't have any problems in the first place. In Europe they will, because lots of women don't care about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:21 PM
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I want a woman who hates apps, smartphones and social media. That's my definition of trad. Her wanting kids is not part of that for me. I want someone "personally offended by broad social trends". (Simpsons)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:06 PM
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I think it's mainly because we don't know what the other guy did different, when he probably didn't do much different. He just was different in how he felt to her. And he might look better. But I can't rate men on attractiveness at all, so I don't know who is hotter than me and who isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:04 PM
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Women aged 41 do not care if I have an "online persona".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 08:34 PM
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I can behave as if it's 2000 -- go watch the British comedy series called Coupling -- and I'll still be woefully out of date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 08:33 PM
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I mean they keep losing in the modern early of identity politics, because it's only hurting them. How many centre-left govts have fallen in Europe in the last 10 years? Quite a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:03 PM
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You don't think he'll run again? I wouldn't bet on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:00 PM
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I do wonder if the US is going to end up with millions of women who are what passes for left-wing there, who can be scooped up easily by a worldy, centrist man from Europe, esp if said women want to leave by getting an EU or UK passport through marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:59 PM
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The Democrats accuse GOP of wanting to go back to the 1950s or 1850s, and that is seen as a time when men were better off economically and in terms of power over women. I don't think it's accurate that most of GOP want that, but it's not the horrifying threat Dems think it is. To many white men it sounds appealing, not scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:57 PM
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Democrats want the US to slowly become more like northern/western Europe, and Joe Rogan is on record as being against that in principle, even if Europe does some things better. He wants the US to be unique, exceptional and different for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:53 PM
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That's the left's main problem and why they keep losing. If you "only" agree with 95% of what they say, that's not good enough. They talk about inclusivity but exclude thousands for any questioning or dissent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:47 PM
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There are a few young men who are basically on the rightwing media pipeline before they even start dating or approaching, but for the majority of guys who have ended up right-leaning, the casuation works the other way. Most guys were not rejected because they were conservative or pro-Trump, or pro-McCain, or pro-Romney or pro-Dubya. Instead they became more conservative, more radical and more disillusioned with each rejection. It's the old truism of "I don't hate you because you are fat. You are…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:43 PM
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I'm glad to hear it. I would move out of the US if I were in that predicament.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 09:43 AM
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I know what Detroit was like and I don't mind whether big economies pursue free trade or protectionism. I am not against tariffs. I was not indifferent about the effects of industralisation. (I am in the north of England, where generations of men were miners.) Most of my libertarian cohort strongly want free trade. There are many reasons tariffs on China will be good, or at least be popular in the US, but those are pretty incidental. I don't know whether Trump will actually impose them, and if s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 09:40 AM
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I blame people in Pittsburgh who can't cope with "high" inflation of 10% because they are not used to it. I can't change people's values or cultural positions, but nobody seems to understand economics. Biden can't close or open factories in China or control wheat harvests or weather, but Harris lost because of all those things. It's a world economy now, and nobody has control or responsibility for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:02 AM
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Trump isn't trying to help anybody but himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:54 AM
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In Europe, yes. Not in the Bible belt.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:53 AM
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It seems like that will just mean the number of angry men goes up, and while I don't think Trump is on their side or will serve the people who voted for him out of misguided hope, a lot of the angry men seem to feel that he is on their side, or that radical traditionalism will improve their chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:52 AM
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Trump won't fix the dating crisis or the incel crisis. Far too many somehow think that he knows or cares about these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:00 AM
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If it's some kind of mass Lysistrata gambit against US male voters, are non US citizens who aren't allowed to vote (like me) excluded? Or it is "against" every man on the planet? Are there exceptions for brave Ukrainian soldiers who end up in the US, or men who can prove they are committed socialists?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 09:58 AM
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I would. I trust everyone by default. That's the only way to have a high trust society. 95% of people are nice. I ask people who seem to be risk-averse "Do you want safe streets and to live in a high trust society?" They say yes. Then I say: "Then the first thing you have to do is SHOW trust, not demand that others earn it from you."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 04:11 AM
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I don't disagree. People who have chips didn't put those chips there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 10:53 AM
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Did you watch "The men who made us fat"? It's genetics, determining the metabolism. It's not because of overeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 10:52 AM
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When I was 15 I had the same IQ, but I had zero social intelligence. Even getting to this level was a huge effort, despite my IQ being quite high, or because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:46 AM
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I like women with PhDs and have dated several. I like women who can find some obscure capital on a map in 3 seconds. So sexist and unreasonable! Sue me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:45 AM
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The locker room is keeping score. Admittedly the locker room is only in our heads once we leave college, but it's still "there." And I am from a time where you would get beaten up for being assumed gay because you didn't demonstrate enough "manly" heterosexual interest toward the stupid and cruel girls in the local area.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:41 AM
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No virgin is going to say no, especially as they don't know what they are saying no to, because they have no idea what it's like. If they don't like it, they can stay "stop".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:39 AM
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We need to drop the idea that people have control over their weight, especially when they are over 35. RP stuff that goes into pseudoscience is what discredits the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:37 AM
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I agree that men should just not tell them, or lie about it, but I don't agree that women can't tell unless the man tells them, and don't mean they can tell by the "quality" of the sex. They can tell well before anybody gets naked. Cold-readers can intuit things about people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:36 AM
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I wouldn't do that, except that I am incentivized to do so. The apps don't reward me for being more picky. They punish me for being more picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:32 AM
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Men who care what society thinks of them can't date: single moms, mailorder brides, because society will look down on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:31 AM
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Well, we're not thinking about "can I be friends with her" for the first 10 seconds that we see you. And I forget what women look like if I don't see them for more than a week so I do that again and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:30 AM
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This is so alien to me. I keep being reminded how America is exceptional. Here being rich makes no difference whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:28 AM
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There is a gap in the market for photographers here in helping men to take well-lit photos that look "casual" even though they involved effort and payment. Decent grammar and spelling wouldn't hurt, unless a woman is anti-intellectual. But of course a lot of the men who don't have much success can't afford that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:26 AM
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I don't think men are paying too much attention to angry feminists. I think non-angry, normal, centrist women are letting angry feminists speak for them because they don't want to be political at all. If the more reasonable women stay silent, men won't hear them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:22 AM
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It's obviously based on the dating "system" in the US and doesn't transfer to other countries without a lot of adjustments.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:19 AM
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You're misusing the phrase "trickle down economics" like most people, but this isn't a forum for debates about economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:17 AM
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You're painting a picture of a world where needs are met but wants are not, and everybody is miserable. Sounds like the USSR in the 1980s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:11 AM
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I have NEVER met a gold digger. Where are they all? I think they are too embarrassed to make their criteria that obvious. I wish they would. If you agree that "greed is good", own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:07 AM
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The problem is that they want men with 6 pack AND money, not just one or the other. One of those things I can do, the other I can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:06 AM
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When someone publishes God's email address we can all direct our lamenting and complaints there. Until that day, there is the web.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:02 AM
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Even luxury goods are needs for me. If I merely wanted them, I wouldn't buy them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:33 AM
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One extra baby or 10 makes no difference to the species. The species will survive either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:32 AM
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Disagree hard. Pleasure (not just from sex) is a need. Or why be alive? Being anhedonic is like being a zombie. Pleasure from food or playing video games is not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:31 AM
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Women do abuse children and even kill them while they are in their care. Legalizing prostitution is fine but it doesn't solve the problem. Even the Netherlands has incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:30 AM
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Many of those men are so miserable that they wouldn't consider a shorter life to be a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:28 AM
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Single men with single incomes [esp if they don't live with their parents, which they can't if they want to date] now find most of the stuff below esteem on the hierarchy is literally financially unaffordable. I don't blame corporations or Congress or Biden, but that's the situation, even if nobody is blame-able.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:27 AM
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Yes. A lot of people miss this distinction. It's not about the sensation. It's about the consent, and the level of trust and affection it shows. Once consent is given, the main thing has been achieved psychologically. No wonder dating sim games are popular. You have to work through the game a little, and then cgi girls let you seduce them, except you can't really bang them, but that hardly matters. The ego is boosted anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:25 AM
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I think you can only say whether something is a need on a scale of 1-10 based on the consequences of going without it. Water is a 10. Sex is not. But sex is not a zero. A ton of people on here are empatically insistent that it is a zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:17 AM
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Well, ideally incels want to have sex with a lot of women, but probably only until that's actually available. They want it more because they can't have it. But they certainly want sex with ONE ONCE.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:15 AM
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Disney absolutely did tell us all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:13 AM
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I think it's just because they are horrible women. If there were some other zeitgeist word that they could get away with, they'd use that. If they could still get away with homophobia or racism, they'd go for that instead. Who's interested in a relationship with women who use any of these demeaning words? They are all slurs based on a characteristic that the target cannot change.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:13 AM
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Infuriating. That's not what incel meant when it was first coined. It's now just a stereotype word. People wouldn't invent a word to describe themselves and immediately have it be an insult, would they? Other people made it into a totally pejorative word.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:10 AM
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Well, American society works on binary categories. Winners and losers, etc. Nobody bothers with complexity or greys. They should, but it's too much mental effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:08 AM
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And someone equally smart wouldn't get into MIT if they were poor, so this admiration he got was also contingent on wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:07 AM
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Lots of men value themselves by that "score", and compare themselves to those who they think have higher scores.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:05 AM
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I don't know why people get married. It's all legal downsides, "feeling trapped" etc. Especially I don't know why men agree to it. Even co-habiting is best avoided, but I'm more open to that. Separate beds and rooms though, unless you need to share it. I don't believe we are meant to be monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:55 PM
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There are plenty of tall lonely guys, even rich ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 03:32 AM
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That's how women think. Something incredibly subtle done from a long distance SHOULD they think be seen as an obvious come-on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 03:31 AM
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is the "of Babylon" thing genuine? Is Lilith a Rasta?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:07 PM
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Most incels would be more well-adjusted and less creepy and desperate if they had even had sex with one or two women ONCE. What they need is so far from "unlimited" amounts of sex. Some men are remaining virgins for DECADES or having "dry spells" that last 5-10 years. That's not really healthy for anyone, individually, or collectively for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:26 PM
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Well, I'm all in favour of toppling those misogynistic cultures like a proper neocon, but misogyny is a lot more widespread than that. But I don't agree that it's "considered acceptable" in 2024 in the US, Canada, or most of Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:23 PM
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Most men, even teenagers don't want "unlimited sex". They want one or a few stable girlfriends who learn what they like and are reasonably keen. It's not THAT different to what women want, even if women's sex drive is lower on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:21 PM
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"Everybody should be having as much sex as they want." is what I said and I stand by that. If people want none, they should get none. If they want lots, they should get lots. I'm just painting my idea of an ideal world. That's what "should" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:19 PM
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Well, the "who?" question IS the question. If there was an answer, the problem wouldn't exist. I don't know the answer. But I do know this was less of a problem when society was run almost entirely by men. It was a problem, but less of one, and women suffered more under that system. Does it have to be a zero sum game, tho? Where one gender only "wins" at the expense of the other? I don't think it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:18 PM
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Every action or decision has consequences. That's just physics. "Consequences" is not supposed to be some sort of threat. The consequences might be "only" a rise in suicide, mental illness and despair. If you think that's fine, that's up to you. The consequences might be something you do consider bad. I can't see into the future. I can certainly imagine that the amount of young men who don't even feel able to approach women is going to cause long term problems. Maybe those problem will be only c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:15 PM
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Depends whether the relationship is based on sex. At this point I just need a beard, and I'm not even gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:17 PM
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They are not stereotypes. They are biological imperatives. We can't change our programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:14 PM
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I do. Women fall in love and get hurt easier by chads. So I can see why their behaviour is wrong, even if I can also see they are having fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:12 PM
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I donät agree that any men matter in practice, unless they are billionaires. Bill Gates has bought himself a global pulpit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:11 PM
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Well, horny men in their early 20s certainly have low impulse control. Any psychologist or criminologist will tell you that. Whether you think that means they are not accountable is up to you? Legally they are, but are they really in control of themselves? Your post displays no empathy whatever. Society should fix the problem because it's a problem FOR society. There are general bad effects. "No child left behind" was a great slogan. It needs to be extend to no PERSON left behind. If something f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:06 PM
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We don't manage to block imports of illegal drugs even with huge penalties, customs inspections etc, so I don't see why robots will be any different. If I was a woman, I wouldn't be worried about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:04 PM
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Maybe it does with today's twentysomethings, but the older generation won't go that far on a third date, because they are less horny and because we weren't brought up to be so impatient. When we were in our 20s, we would not have been so fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:01 PM
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It never occurred to you that the tenets of today's Marxist currents all have biblical equivalents? We are even told we are going to fry. It's like the old testament repackaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:59 PM
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I'm happy for anyone. I don't get jealous any more. But the women who instagram their breakfast will probably want an equally photogenic guy on their feed too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:54 PM
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"Misogyny is still considered acceptable." where?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:53 PM
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but wokeness has many of the characteristics of a new religious movement, so have they really left religion or just switched religion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:21 AM
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Changing your values isn't that easy. It's just another way of saying "lower your standards!" No. Shan't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:18 AM
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What oppression is left, that men are not also subjected to? Like not being able to join a union, etc. That's a question, not an assertion that there is no oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:16 AM
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Well the women near me are not like that. I wish they were. I really need to move to Canada.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:14 AM
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Punishing men today for things in the 1850s makes no sense. We don't inherit culpability.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:11 AM
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Well, which will look better on their instagram? Women get huge validation from social media and become addicted to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:08 AM
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If this is what women want, why aren't they all on the millionaire dating apps instead? I mean, if they want a man to own a house and a car and that's at least $1m in many places now, why not just go specifically for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:06 AM
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I assume you mean wait for sex until the third date? I've never dated in the US. To me that seems a bit fast, unless you are both horny teenagers, but it also depends what you mean by sex. If it's just getting some of your clothes off to start being intimate, that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:03 AM
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Well the ratios are partly because a lot of the women leave as soon as they join, because they get someone in a few days or delete the app because of a torrent of abusive or horny comments. Whereas the men are on the apps for years, in a desert.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:01 AM
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Some of this stuff is so basic that it could and should be taught in schools. Teaching how to flirt is a bit much for teachers to address, but the other stuff, they could. People stick in situationships because they have other effects. For example, I could be in one that I know is going nowhere, but it would keep my parents off my back, because they would have sky-high expectations about children being produced any minute. They can't help doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:57 AM
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I know all that. The UK has the same problem. I've seen Jay Foreman's video. I know Hillary got 2 million more votes and still "lost". My point was that lower status men vastly outnumber the high value men, which should translate to political power. Lack of affordable housing has become an issue,, so why doesn't lack of women become an issue, given that men want women just as much as they want a house.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:51 AM
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Just because a guy has used escorts a bit does not mean he won't protect you from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:49 AM
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Where does western women's laundry list of fantasies about how men should be come from? Movies? Romance novels?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:48 AM
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I see golddiggers as sensible, and many of them are already rich, or had rich fathers and are used to the rich lifestyle. I do want them. They are being practical instead of pious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:46 AM
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we should take a leaf from Rastafarianism and abandon isms. But America wants to sort everyone into opposing teams.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:45 AM
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I don't think Elon M or Bill G are chads, so no amount of money will tip someone from nerd to chad. They are nerds first, and women either like that or they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:42 AM
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Why must the UK import every American social ill? The gang culture of LA has already spread to third world capital cities and caused mayhem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:37 AM
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There are no do-overs. Another major flaw in the design of the universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:35 AM
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I don't care if they are fat. Horrible accents and earnest socialism (1989 was The End) are the main things guaranteed to put me off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:34 AM
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well some of those men were choosing those women because they were trying to impress other men, instead of going for what they actually wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:33 AM
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It didn't make any difference to me. I was even more loaded when I was 25. Women did not care at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:28 AM
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The are attracted to them because they don't like the men in their country, and it's not just because those men are poorer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:27 AM
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not unless she's a billionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:25 AM
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My standard for traditional comes down to three easy things: Correct grammar. No tattoos. Wants to be a law-abiding, tax-paying, house-owning respectable couple, with or without children. And has probably slept with fewer than 40 men. These things are about class and taste much more than self-control. Traditional is good, but it does not at all include female submissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:25 AM
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I don't know how the west would ban China from making them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:20 AM
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But in democracy, all votes count the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:18 AM
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Well we do need some redistribution of sex, as the NYT column said. The reaction to that showed just how unwilling society was to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:17 AM
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well, yes. they've taken on board the concept that it's only men's job to approach, and most of them don't question it, which is a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:12 AM
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Most of those things are needs, or at least they are things that should be provided by the state, as anybody in Europe would insist on. They are only up for debate in the US. Cars and credit cards shouldn't be needs, but society has made them essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:09 AM
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Are singles events and speed dating even a thing any more? Or is everyone relying on apps that don't work?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:01 AM
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Virgins don't learn anything about real sex from masturnation. People overlook the educational aspect of gaining experience. Curiosity is a big motivation, not just lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:58 AM
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absolutely. I hate not getting it. I like it when I get it, but I never think it was worth the enormous amount of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:56 AM
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so you're happy to basically be using the word "unworthy" for those men? sheesh.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:55 AM
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It's a miracle any of us are alive. It's a miracle I am alive, and able-bodied, and not poor. etc. but for all those amazing pieces of luck, the last piece eludes me. That's what it feels like. We missed all the fun by 0.00001%, but it makes all the difference. If we had really good reasons, like some major learning problem or disability, then it wouldn't feel the same. And now I expect red pills in particular to reply with "then what's stopping you" etc. which just rubs it in. It does not help.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:54 AM
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They are slow to break up because they know it will take another x months (or years) to get another one. For women under 35, it won't take them more than a few days, if they want to date again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:48 AM
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"Good" smacks of moral rectitude, effort, reliability, cleanliness and a load of other things that some men find very difficult to have. That's a far higher bar than "nice."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:45 AM
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Well I love curvy women, and I'm white. Since I'm really only interested in women over 36, most of them are not that thin.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:33 AM
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Only in hot countries. Countries where everyone has to cover up don't place importance on physical fitness. Denmark is quite wet and windy, but the women are thin because they ride bikes, not because they have to be thin to get a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:34 PM
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What about unattractive women for the unattractive men? Oh yes, it's men's "job" to do the approaching and they don't approach them. But if they did, they probably could do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:33 PM
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The world hasn't always been in endless recessions. There were huge booms in 86, 1999, 2005 etc. But a lot of people missed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:29 PM
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I'm nice to women and make them laugh, and rich and tall, even though they don't come up to my standards. Plenty are hot, but the hot ones are too young.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:28 PM
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If I grant that, then what makes attractive is separate from nice. What does attractive man OTHER than nice? Is "attractive" purely looks? Is it body language and smiles, because those are still things women perceive with their eyes. What about a man of 58? Is he required to be a hunk as well, even though the women he is dating are 53 and fat? Look, maybe this ppd should be solely about people under 30, but then the forum description would need to decree that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:25 PM
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The women I was talking about were many years ago, and then even approaching was a life-or-death moment for me. It isn't any more. For a man, a given relationship is as much work as that women makes it, and women vary in that. So really, a lot of the lonely men are lonely by choice because too many (not all) women are making relationships too much work, and not just financially. The financial side is the easy bit for me. It's "being" all the other things that women want that I and other men find…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:21 PM
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You mean that bending to what society says is the best shape TODAY. It changes. Women had to be size zero until 2006 and now they have to be curvy. I'll say it again: nobody told me (or other men) that male looks mattered to women. It was placed not even in the top 5 of things that women want in a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:10 PM
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Ok, well thank you for agreeing with me by saying that something is idiotic. I don't agree with the rest of your comments. I don't believe that women frequently do this, but if they did, I would not indulge it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:08 PM
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I'm less desperate, but it took 30 years to become it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:38 PM
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The point of paying for dates is not whether you shop provider status, it's whether the quite small amount of money registers for you as financially painful. Women, rightly, don't want to date someone who even sees $100 as an amount of money. Why complain about paying for multiple dates if it's 1 or 2 days' worth of income or less?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:35 PM
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If you use every technique that is now known to be a PUA thing, then they will not like it, but you can use it lightly. Most of it is just playing hard to get, which is centuries older than Neil Strauss.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:32 PM
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If you talk less are they talking more? In which case, they are talking to guys, unless nobody is saying anything. Long silences are considered fine in Europe, but Americans don't like them,
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:30 PM
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Well this is heartening. It sounds like those guys are now less attractive than guys like me who are not hot and never really was, but who has learned how to talk to women (or anyone) VERY slowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:29 PM
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I've always seen having a relationship or wife as something to "check off" (to use the US English version of "tick off", which does not mean to annoy) but they need way more effort than that. I'm willing to make an effort to approach and talk to women. Sometimes I get indicators of interest. But I don't have the energy to sustain one at all. It's not the trope of "western women demand too much", it's everyone. If I was in a relationship with a man I would still find the effort needed too much. R…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:27 PM
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You are confusing consensual bdsm with violence. Choking and slapping is not violence with consent. Actors consent, or at least they ought to have before it happens. Obviously the level of legal protections actors are given varies by jurisdiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:19 PM
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I didn't approach right away because I didn't have any confidence or experience in a relationship at all. So everything gets built up into the most important thing that ever happened. They were able to move on and forget about me immediately. I was not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:16 PM
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and I am saying that the chart does not show that they are more expensive than ever in REAL TERMS. A better chart would show how many hours someone has to work on average salary to run an average car. That's what affordability means. The actual price of a car is not the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:43 PM
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Well given that I want women who are older than me and they don't go to clubs and bars, I suppose so. But my question was looking for a general answer for older guys. If a guy (not me, just a guy) is 40, I think chasing 25 year olds in hip venues will not go down well, and you seem to agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:42 PM
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Giving people my real opinions would get 90% of people to hate me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:37 PM
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You must live somewhere where women actually make an effort to look nice. Here, they don't. Only people in London see enough real people to bother. Everyone else lives and works at home. All the pubs have died because of lockdowns and smoking bans. Nobody has any spare money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:36 PM
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I didn't approach them. They were just there. I made my interest clear and was friendzoned. Where are you? the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:32 PM
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I only started using reddit a few weeks ago and until then I only occasionally READ it but never replied to anything. Like about a month ago I was still at the stage of I'll scroll through r/itsaunixsystem if I have a spare few minutes. So no, I haven't. The only way I am going to meet 25 women is daygame, and that requires good weather.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:29 PM
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Ok, say that I was/am very rich, like with several million in net worth. How do you tell women that without just telling them? to stop being invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:24 PM
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Even getting a politician with the figurative balls to raise the subject of too many people being lonely, single and childless [the last one IS a political problem because of how pensions work] would be a start. The UK govt has already extended the "PREVENT" strategy that was originally for ISIL/AQ sympathizers to men radicalized by Tate, which at least tacitly RECOGNIZES the problem, even if the approach is callous. Also, every doctor agrees that sex is good for you, so why isn't it on the NHS?…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:21 PM
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lots of porn has men receiving the same. cbt, huge strapons, smothering etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:11 PM
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That doesn't account for overall inflation because it's an index.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:03 PM
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I find that since covid nobody has any friends. Europeans don't make friends in 2 minutes like Americans do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:41 AM
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It's the leaving us with hope that I don't like. I want them to be clear, ie less polite and ambiguous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:38 AM
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I've always known what will make me happy and what defines it for me. I just haven't got it. The woman who can make me happy doesn't exist, and I am definitely straight. My standards are just sky high, for everything, not just for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:37 AM
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No idea, but I am. I can't forget cringy moments even when they were decades ago. I just want everyone to like me even though that's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:33 AM
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Well, if men want conservative women, most of them are old. Tho even today's 30 year olds will become more conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:33 AM
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Where in Asia are you thinking of? It's not all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:28 AM
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You could try Moldova. Nobody expects all that stuff there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:26 AM
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I don't know anybody with a calendar that allows that kind of spare time
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:37 AM
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I don't even see that many different women in a month. I assume climate is a factor. The sun is always shining in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:36 AM
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The west should start doing arranged marriages, since it's the parents of young people who insist that they settle, marry and breed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:33 AM
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If she won't settle, she ain't terrified of being single. Maybe "terrified" was in quotes because it was an exaggeration?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:27 AM
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Getting a no after 10 minutes hurts. Getting a no after 10 seconds doesn't. If anything I want women to be MORE tactless and direct. If it was always going to be a no, let us move on to the next one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:25 AM
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The problem with that is that it makes the men who do still approach look more horny and more different and exceptional, in ways good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:23 AM
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yes. everything up to x-1 is practice. x is the jackpot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:22 AM
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It would be "putting the convenience of women above all else" if no women wanted to be approached. But they do. Some even complain that no men now approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:20 AM
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AI can't provide correct practice and feedback, so real women are the only way. I can imagine that pretty soon AI will be able to do that. At the moment, Siri and Alexa just tell you to stop hitting on them, because that's not what Apple and Amazon designed them for. But somebody will design one for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:19 AM
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Are you proposing women should approach men? or all couple formation should cease?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:16 AM
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I don't know how direct to be in a dating profile. Women know what a man is trying to convey when trying to look rich / travelled without saying it, so why not just say "I am very rich"? It won't fly in Sweden, but does it fly in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:13 AM
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Yes, as a strategy that is probably good, but the guys who aren't good at talking to women aren't good at talking to men to make friends with them either. Talking about cars or Linux doesn't go very far.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:10 AM
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Yes. It depends on his sex drive, age, how comfortable he is with possibly passing on sti's.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:09 AM
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Slightly mangled a lovely appropriate yiddish word there. Schlubby?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:08 AM
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Well on yur 501st approach you will have been rejected by say, at least 498 women. How the heck do you not have blackpill vibes at that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:06 AM
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Up to what age? If a man of older years does that, he will be seen as a creep or everyone will KNOW he is struggling? Otherwise he wouldn't stoop to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:02 AM
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I don't think it happens. But men under about 26 seem to think it could happen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:57 AM
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Nobody under 30 is running for president. When today's 25 year olds are running, what they are doing now will absolutely be brought up by the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:55 AM
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Are you saying women are lying or that I should lie to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:51 AM
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It's hard to think of many things in life I hate more than dancing. I think I should avoid clubs entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:48 AM
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You won't be touched even just on the shoulder or hand?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:46 AM
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Young men's fear of being cancelled is in excess of the real risks, but the risks are nonzero. It's ridiculous that something that men have been doing for 10,000 years is suddenly seen, at least by the men, as something that won't be tolerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:44 AM
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Women do a lot of SEEMING interested, even to me. But the male mind plays tricks on itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:41 AM
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I wonder why any of our parents made us exist if the only realistic expectation from life is... nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:40 AM
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well I've always fallen in love in a matter of hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:38 AM
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I don't mind if they date criminals, but why date small time crooks? Why not date the Robert De Niro in Heat type? He had his shit together, at least until he was shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:37 AM
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No. Any woman, ANY woman will change others' perceptions of my life. I'm too young to not care about image.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:36 AM
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I find it helps to expect a "massive" success rate like 3%, and since there's no way I am going to approach 33 women...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:34 AM
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I was rejected by two women about 6 months apart. On both occasions a guy saw it (not the same guy) and as far as he was concerned, it WAS a definitive referendum on my sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:32 AM
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It sounds as if I really need to hit Vancouver where nobody can afford a house and just start buying houses for people on the 3rd date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:30 AM
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You're implying that whether someone wants you or not is set in stone and that interacting with them will make no difference. Women don't seem to want anyone unless they are already known as being super rich or film star handsome. Some are sometimes convinced to want someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:27 AM
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the word he used was "loser". Losing ONCE is not "being a loser". To lose is a single event, not a state of being.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:24 AM
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I used to see men with women who were "too hot" for them, but I haven't seen that in years. Now every hot man that has a woman at all has a woman who is really beneath him. Men need to be 8's just to get a 5. The hottest women are single or just handing with other women. They are all waiting for single men who are 10s and who don't actually exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:23 AM
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Can any other men here identify with being totally morally comfortable with hookups, but not comfortable because of the performance anxiety?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:47 PM
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I thought women wanted solvent, rich, responsible, law-abiding, plans ahead, and that looks don't matter AS MUCH as they do to men. I'm now not interested in any woman under 36 and they still don't want those things in a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:44 PM
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I'm tall and not ugly, but I've never received a single compliment. I've had women call me short and ugly when I am neither, tho. Women have a specific type in their head that they want and they will never change it or compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:41 PM
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that's because straight men don't know (haven't been told, or have been told and donät believe) that looks matter to women. I didn't know it for ages, because women never wanted to admit to being shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:38 PM
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Trade occurs when the buyer values the thing being bought more than the money it costs. Otherwise, don't buy it. You get to decide what something is worth to you. That's the beauty of capitalism. I will always value sex way above money. Some Wall Street guys really do spend 200K on hookers in a year, because it's worth it, and they have no free time for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:35 PM
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Just find someone so rich they don't even need to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:31 PM
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ok, but that's an easier decision to make for a woman. Have you told your parents that you have given up on men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:28 PM
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If I could afford escorts, and to just own my own company with assistants and secretaries etc. I would just do that. And I don't mean to abuse my power and harrass them. Just to have them around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:26 PM
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Lots of jobs did not require computer skills, numeracy and literacy to the level they do today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:23 PM
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They'll come down to only a few thousand dollars at today's prices, I think, and in 100 years, maybe less. Depends what happens to the supply of chips regarding Taiwan, and the price of steel, if those are the main inputs. Famously puritanical Walmart is unlikely to sell them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:22 PM
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Relative to Europe, it is still puritan.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:20 PM
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Well then I am definitely in the top 20%, even though 20% of men are not millionaires. Not even in Norway and Switzerland they aren't. Women however, never recognise me as being in the top 20%. I am just another invisible nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:19 PM
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Yes. Economies of scale. Making millions of something is cheaper per unit. I think 7.5 K is a lot for something that isn't really a sex robot. It technically is, but it's like comparing a Ford Model T to a modern car.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:17 PM
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Transgressive things are hot BECAUSE people, esp in USA, were raised so religious and repressed, not despite it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:15 PM
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Well, money has come much easier, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:14 PM
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I assume that if a bill is, say, $140 including generous tips, and a guy is basically quibbling over a difference of 70, then women infer that 70 must be a lot for him. It's not that women hate men who argue this on principle. It's that they are (sensibly) trying to feel out his wealth level, and quibbling over such a small amount makes a bad impression. Men should be tight about everything in their lives EXCEPT the costs of dating. They don't even like cars, and the less you spent on a car comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:12 PM
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It sounds like I should move there, wherever that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:07 PM
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I think women are subject to a lot of peer pressure, subtle and obvious. Most are not strongly independent enough to make up their own mind without any outside influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:06 PM
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yes. I would respect her more. Men are, as you say, disingenuous about just wanting sex, and we resent that we have to pretend to care about other things when we don't. Sometimes we do, but that's usually after the first time having sex. The horny, "disgusting" guys who slide in to DMs and immediately make a highly sexual comment are simply not bothering with that pretence. It gets them nowhere, but they are just living for a few moments without having to resent the acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:03 PM
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Short of having our eyes surgically removed, I'm not sure how men can stop valuing beauty as much as we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:00 PM
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Quite the reverse in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:58 PM
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well she sounds... not very nice. I assume that she was either hot enough to get away with this behaviour or thought she was.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:57 PM
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Who they hell goes around saying they make 200K=, even if it's true? Are you recommending that? If I did that women would think it was vulgar, and also they wouldn't believe it, even if it was true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:54 PM
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I want both: a gold digger AND to be loved for who I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:50 PM
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If a woman won't split the bill, I won't think she's entitled. I'll think she's poor, which is less bad than being entitled, but it's still bad. Not bad per se, but just not a good fit for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:49 PM
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it's TOO healthy and it's taking life too seriously. I'll take numerous short bad, expensive relationships over no relationships at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:46 PM
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Almost any woman can add that positive benefit just by existing. Just to be "an item" would be a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:43 PM
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I can't imagine ever seeing women as optional. They were needed when I was 16 and they will be needed when I am 70.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:43 PM
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I love women who want money. I respect them. I can't find any.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:39 PM
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I wasn't born decades too late. I was born centuries too late. In fact, I think historians who point out the poverty and disease of the past are the most annoying people in the world. I still want a time machine above anything else, and I ain't going forwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:19 PM
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Being valued and feeling valued are not always linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:18 PM
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Sending them money for pictures is not "having access to women"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:15 PM
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I would like somebody to answer this too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:13 PM
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So men are hornier now than ever, for some reason? I don't like any of the women you mentioned physically OR intellectually, except Kamala, whom I respect to the degree that I know anything about her. It sounds like you are saying men in Nato countries should just go to Ukraine so they can say they've killed some guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:10 PM
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You say that like it's a bargain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:05 PM
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well, women will have sex robots too, but less commonly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:04 PM
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Men no longer have to choose women who are close by. But lots of men have racist parents who will disown them if they date outside their race. I wish I knew who this "top 20% of men" are. I'd like some specific examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:03 PM
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Women can't shock me. I could be led on by a woman who then deliberately breaks my heart for fun. It would hurt, but it would not be a surprise and I would mostly blame myself for falling for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:01 PM
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There is no cost to the man to sharing whatever horny stuff he is thinking about, since at the start you are just a random woman. it's rude, but I understand why they do it. They don't know it's wrong or ineffective, or they don't care that it's wrong and ineffective. If you've now "heard it all", you could try being not shocked by anything. That's what I do. I don't hate women. I just know that it's impossible for women to imagine living with what straight men have to live with. If only mind me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:00 PM
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Well, men under 25 will sleep with any woman of similar age, yes. that's not new. that's normal testosterone for that age. Also men under 25 have very low self-control. That's why they commit most of the crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:48 PM
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In the 90s, being thin was in fashion. Now it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:47 PM
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I agree that they aren't worried. I'm not sure they shouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:44 PM
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Lots of men have parents who don't care who their sons date as long as children are produced. The wife can be a complete monster as far as they are concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:43 PM
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I don't require a woman to be employed, or fertile, or young, or white. I just require her to be NICE, not smoke and not want pets.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:42 PM
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My take is that I am baffled why women are happy being single and only living on, say 50 k? Do they really not want a lot more? Do they not want all the best stuff? a huge kitchen? a walk-in wardrobe? a pool? travel around the world in nice hotels? Do they not want their insane US medical bills covered, and their college loans paid off in 1 day? So basically my problem is that there are not enough golddiggers. Wanting a man who makes 100K does not count. That's not real money. Real money is net …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:38 PM
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I didn't know that looks mattered to women as much as they do to men. I can't judge men's looks at all. Cillian Murphy looks no hotter than any short thin average guy to me. Nobody told me that looks mattered that much. If I had known that when I was 22, I could have worked on that instead of buying a nice car.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:34 PM
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There are millions of women in poor countries, who, compared to me with my money in a rich part of Europe, do NOT have financial independence. But I want someone who is European (but not necessarily white) and who hasn't always been poor. I just can't relate to people who grew up poor at all. They can have grown up with a family income that was slightly above average, but no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:32 PM
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mentally, it DOES last forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:29 PM
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My father was surrounded by 3 bullies. He fought them all off. I would not dare, because I would simply lose my temper and probably unalive one of them by accident. And it being self-defence with no witnesses would make no difference in court. I would still end up in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:28 PM
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Wll, they wouldn't have told you if they were. But I bet they were, especially the ones you have forgotten about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:26 PM
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I would like to see an example of the man who is in the 80th percentile, since he is some sort of cut off point. Not that men are good at comparing themselves to other men. I am too straight to judge other men's attractiveness. I have no idea how Colin Farrel is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:25 PM
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I suppose modern economies require men to read and write, which many men still can't do. Whereas you could do manual work in the 1970s without needing a lot of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:23 PM
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Also, the trend of working from home, and flirting in the office being an absolute no-no have made it worse. Also, Russia is mail-order bride central, and plenty of young men are now dying in a war. Surely there will be a ton of extra women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:20 PM
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Probably because 100 guys are into fat girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:16 PM
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Being into cuckolding and femdom isn't a new thing. Dominatrixes have existed for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:12 PM
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This is why workers form unions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:11 PM
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There won't be any more hot women to go around just because all men suddenly stop simping as you suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:11 PM
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well, they no more see them as marks than a car dealer
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:08 PM
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it's not even illegal in all of the USA, never mind the rest of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:08 PM
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sounds VERY expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:07 PM
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I don't think cars are more expensive. Fuel is more. But all I see across reddit is Americans complaining about the prices of things that are cheaper in Europe. Food is cheaper. Health and education is free. Housing in many parts of Europe is cheaper. Many things are, but not cars and fuel. The US has some the cheapest car prices in the industrialized world, but still people complain about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:05 PM
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Well I can afford nannies... Does that make me more marry-able or less?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:01 PM
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I wouldn't know where to put varied men in these groups. Short millionaire? Tall poor man with muscles? Engaging, funny fat guy? Where do they fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:00 PM
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Yes, anyone could just wear a ring. But don't you think adopting a universally understood signal of being married and then not being married will lead to problems later on?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:21 PM
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yes, but any new word we come up with will be given similar stigma within weeks, and illiterates will overlook the distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:20 PM
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I don't agree that young men are good at thinking for themselves. In fact society seems to discourage it for almost everyone. Toeing the party line is the thing these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:19 PM
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All I am doing is seeing marriage the same way many women see it. I'll marry for citizenship or more money, but not for love. If I get so old that I stop caring, I'll marry with a watertight prenup, because I will absolutely need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:17 PM
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If the goal is to impress society at large, they are worth having, just like having 5 cars and a mansion. That might not be your goal, but it is the goal of many American men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:42 PM
5

Thanks for pointing out that people often have the cause and effect backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:40 PM
5

Not sure what happened to "everybody needs / deserves love" idea. Plenty of songs written about that very subject, for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:39 PM
1

I feel like this level of oversharing is an American thing. Nobody in northern Europe would talk about what they did in private unless totally drunk or very chavvy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:35 PM
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Wisest is he who knows he does not know (what the hell she is into). Nothing would shock me. The similie of "longer and harder than a bad girl's dream" is very true. That doesn't mean I am going to indulge every kink, but I would not shame a woman for anything. The weirder it is, the more bravery it took to share it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:31 PM
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It doesn't matter how dumb, horrible, male or female the person putting men down. It still hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:28 PM
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well, men are stupidly comparing their effect on women to the effects acted by women in porn, who are moaning like mad after 90 seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:24 PM
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It sounds as if lonely men should just get mail order brides so they can then wear a wedding ring without it being deceptive, and then ignore their wives, within reason,
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:21 PM
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well, I have a problem marrying them whether their body count is 0 or 200, so it's nothing personal against either "type" of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:14 PM
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How would anyone young get around not being pre-selected? It's a catch-22. Just pay escorts to lie to other women that you are in a real relationship so you seem dateable?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:13 PM
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Well it does NOW that the original two word phrase has become an identity and hate-group instead of just a (self) diagnosis. I'm not sure what word is left for the men who get less than they want but hate angry misogynistic forums. It's unfair to use that word now that it's purely an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:11 PM
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When men are teenagers and in their 20s, that value schene is imposed by other men, and being young and naive, virgin men accept it as a fair judgement upon them, when it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:07 PM
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But would you "admit" that if you were not anonymous? Don't you feel pressure to say you prefer bigger, just as men feel pressure to prefer big breasts? Everyone is being told they deserve stuff, but are "entitled" when they act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:03 PM
1

Imagine if aliens judged all humans by the answers on Quora or Yahoo!Answers. "How is babby formed?" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:00 PM
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Speaking as a not autistic man, I just worry what so many angry single men will do, apart from the obvious one that applies to Americans - their vote for Potus. The rest of society just thinks it can ignore their problems. If this sounds Scandi collectivist, I suppose it is. I would never live somewhere that doesn't care about everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:48 PM
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It doesn't matter if she is lazy with housework if the man has enough money for a cleaning service. But you are defining male losers as men with no money, as well as their other problems. It's just not true that all rich men can get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 03:33 AM
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I don't think govts are motivated to do, or not do, anything because of how they end up ranking on UN metrics. Most govts don't care about the HDI, never mind something as obscure as the GDI. That the UN is shady and that comparing countries with a blunt number-based index is facile and hard should not really be news.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 05:01 AM
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Men/boys "learn" what women want from Disney movies and the type of movies that star Jennifer Aniston and Julia Roberts. It's all very well to say movies aren't real. When you are 10 years of age, you don't know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:22 PM
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I think a woman who spends that much was looking for an excuse to buy those clothes and cosmetics anyway. I'd be shocked to discover a woman bought new clothes for a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:04 AM
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That's never going to work for men. Women rightly don't feel guilty for not paying for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:02 AM
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I don't know what dating costs women, except for time. 2 hours to get ready and 2 hours for the date including transport? Time is the most valuable resource for many people in rich countries, so 4 hours is not valueless. But there seems to be other costs that women perceive that make them not want to date (as much as men). What are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:58 AM
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How much value of food and drink are women "taking" from men that men think is a problem? I assume it's less than any amount men should complain about, unless you are going to very fancy restaurants? I'm not going to argue that $500 is "not much" because for some men it must be, but what are women costing you that you have to complain about it financially, rather than just morally?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:56 AM
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a time machine back to 1990 would solve a LOT of problems
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:44 AM
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It won't until every man is satisfied with his sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:43 AM
1

that's not my experience. mo money mo problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:13 AM
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We need them to not look gay. I've lost count of how many people thought I was gay. I just started taking as a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:10 AM
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men aren't self-improving because there is no return on the investment of time, money and effort. of course self-discipline is admirable in itself, but there has to be some results. Would you spend $400,000 on a single lottery ticket if the jackpot is only $10,000 ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:01 AM
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Well I assume he's Australian by his name. Places where men go on beaches have men who try to make their bodies look nice. If I lived in, say, Lapland, it's rather less important, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:59 AM
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I've got 3 places and a car. They don't look at me. If it was just about money, I'd have been drowning in it since being 23.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:50 AM
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This doesn't fit my perception, I am rich and so move in rich male circles. None of us can now find a woman worth dating. If any bootstrap pulling was needed it has been done.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:49 AM
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time to sign up for that 4th job and survive on 4 hours sleep a night, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:47 AM
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what? So because of eugenics, which you seem to approve of, men need money, cars, clothes and fitness?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:40 AM
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All very good advice. I don''t know why "look abroad" is a looked-down-upon afterthought. Even average income western men are insanely rich compared to women in developing or faltering economies. Tons of US and Canadian women would love to live in the UK or Ireland and mostly not have to learn a new language. Tons of British and Irish men would love an American or Canadian wife, but the financial barriers and lack of freedom of movement between those countries makes it much harder. And then ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:37 AM
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I want women who have not only got lots of resources, but who are totally accustomed to having them, or dating me will be too much of a culture shock. I don't want someone who has to be taught how to live with wealth, act rich and stay rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:33 AM
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where is this "real life" to physically be found? If there is no Third Place any more? and flirting at work is absolutely forbidden, are the only social spaces left where the women don't have tattoos just churches? because if so, maybe we should all just go to church. (I'm an atheist, but still.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:30 AM
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all true. The "problem" is that what women expect a man to have achieved at 25 is about 10x what they expect him to have achieved at 16, even though that's impossible in the space of 9 years, unless you get $5m dollar loans from your father at 20, perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:28 AM
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I can't see any men, even the ones I see women them lusting over, film stars etc. as attractive, so I can never imagine how women do find them attractive. I'm just that straight. So I find it hard to see what the most attractive men are doing, saying or looking that's any different. Most of their winning personality is the product of their sexual success, not the cause of it at the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:24 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_dating is what I think is meant. Not certain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:13 PM
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where else would they be except online?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:12 PM
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I remember horrible things teenage girls said to me, but teenagers don't have a developed morality, so I never let it affect me that much later on. All the women in my 20s were too career driven to have time for any men, or married jerks who beat them up and ended up fired and in prison, or were already taken by men who seemed nice and VERY normal, and, well they weren't going to leave those men for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:11 PM
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I don't know which countries still allow men to have multiple wives. What countries do you see as still rewarding male effort, if any?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:09 PM
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Agreed. If someone has a daughter, they'll grow up having to deal with horny angry men, and if you have a son, they'll grow up having to deal with shallow, 4th - 5th wave feminist women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:06 PM
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I interact with women as much as possible, but I don't have much hope of it leading anywhere. I've learned it's foolish to expect attraction when I suck at generating it. Which also means that when women clearly show attraction to me, I am shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:03 PM
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I don't think the op was aimed exclusively at men, yet they are the only ones replying. Do women never give up? Lots of women are lonely too. Maybe after the menopause they care less, but I think they do before it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:01 PM
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but some men and women will blame the person in question for their lived experience instead of other causes like parents, the economy, genetics, upbringing, being assaulted by other men, lockdowns...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:57 PM
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"white pill" isn't in the wiki. what does it mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:43 PM
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I'm not sure that we convinced ourselves that our fantasies were viable. Something else did. We all wanted to be James Bond. James Bond doesn't get all the women because those women would actually lust after him. He gets them because the movie needs us to respect him, and that's the old fashioned way of impressing male viewers of the films. Now the many times where Roger Moore bangs women half his age just seem ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:39 PM
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Expectations for me were sky high. That was the problem. I spent all of my 20s trying to live up to them, and never lived for myself at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:31 PM
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I believe dating profiles on VHS used to be a thing. People would sit in front of a camera and record a short video introducing themselves. I know tinder can host videos, but it's mostly images or silent videos. Both facebook and youtube started as dating sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:22 PM
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Hard to transact when the other person won't directly say what they want or doesn't know what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:10 PM
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I know the question is for men, but did any women even read the responses on this thread? I assume that women who answered it might have incidentally read some of them. The question was not aimed solely at men, so they can/should answer if they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:08 PM
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I did. He's right. I want him to keep going.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:04 PM
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People have genuine fears about conservative attacks on porn. I can't have any faith that the First Amendment will survive another 25 years. I agree with OP completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:00 PM
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A lot of the people who are against men using women "for" sex, as you put it, ARE against anybody using anybody for anything. They don't think anybody should have to drive a bus to live, or be subject to any economic forces and compulsions. They think scarcity, hierarchy, patriarchy, money, structures etc. can and should be abolished. I'm all for a UBI, but I don't hold any illusion that we suddenly won't need people to do unpleasant and boring jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:56 PM
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The more experience a woman has, the more I respect her. It's the ones who can have loads of it but don't want it that dismay me, and not because they won't do it with ME. I don't care if they are porn stars or sex workers. Life is for living. If they CAN enjoy it, aren't having quite a lot of it, within reason, they are letting life pass them by. Too many young people act as if they have loads of time to do things, travelling, life experiences, relationships, projects, jobs, etc. instead of get…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:21 PM
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Do you think (perceived) male commitment is the main thing that women will "exchange" for sex? I've got plenty of money, but I'm not exchanging it for sex with a woman directly or indirectly. I might "dangle" the prospect of expensive fun together (travel, shopping etc.) that involves money, but if they thought I was going to really commit to them or marry them, they'd almost certainly be wrong. I'd never EXPECT sex in return. I might ask for it or try to seduce, but having any expectation of su…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:15 PM
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I think it's more likely that are on their phones because they are playing candy crush, or watching tiktok, or whatever, instead of looking where they are going. Society has standards that all citizens are required to meet, like never, through intent or indifference, inconveniencing other people. I'm not going to let them off because everyone is being just as selfish. I wish people would stop saying "lower your standards" (to men AND women) because by definition a standard cannot be lowered. A s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 08:01 PM
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London is, yes. There's a lot of nouveau riche idiots, but old money just grimaces at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:55 PM
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Lots of people have no idea what to do with their lives. choosing two things closes off other avenues. I'd start a fulfilling business but I can't do that without 10million to start with. Nobody in Europe would take the risk of running a startup on personal credit cards, as some silicon valley startups did. We are much more risk averse than Americans. Americans punch the air and say "let's do this" after a 3 minute pep talk. Germans would spend 2 hours outlining all the things that could go wron…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:52 PM
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I think the under 30s do, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:35 PM
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where are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:33 PM
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when people are early teens, people expect life to be like Disney. All you have to do is exist, be just and you win and get the girl at the end and live happily ever after. There are no hookers in Disney.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 01:23 PM
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I assume you don't welcome a philosophical answer to this, about the absurdity of the cosmos?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:55 AM
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Should women be able to see through a fake facade or see into the future? No. It's not reasonable to expect them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:53 AM
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Yes. They'd still be sad about it. They are sad because other people keep retorting that they are NOT entitled to it. Society's reaction of fake pity and dismissive insults is a bigger problem than having to masturbate. There are many advantages to being lonely, but society sees it as 100% downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:51 AM
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If nobody is entitled to anything, then everybody who gets anything is morally in the wrong. We could argue forever about who deserves what, but I think people should get what they deserve (ie. a just world) whatever that might be, even if what they deserve is nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:48 AM
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Wall Street guys pay for it, and "dances" etc. but women still seem to like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:45 AM
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I was referring to when you said "Waiting until college is also a risky play". Perhaps you mean that people should date before that, in high school, but that the age of consent is irrelevant to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:41 AM
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That's good. I'm glad they are finding a way to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:38 AM
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Ok, well my last girlfriend had a PhD in Math, and another woman I dated had a PhD in Chemistry. Another one was a writer, languages teacher and poet. They don't think it's unattractive. They think it's classy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:36 AM
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In either example, life's not fair. People complain about one type of unfairness, but excuse and even celebrate the other type of unfairness. The people who get something aren't more entitled to it than the people who don't get it, but people get what they get, which means that what one is entitled to is irrelevant to outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:33 AM
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Iceland, capital of casual sex. Some places in Asia, I suppose. Czechia, certainly, and some other places in Europe. Italian men are not exactly restrained.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:29 AM
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My drift is that I don't know anybody manages anything. Without getting into a moral debate, to Europeans, 18 is quite a lot higher. I know it varies by state. The US still seems puritanical to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:27 AM
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I'm not sure he did. It seems like an extreme Christian position to me, but I understand it as a politician's strategy to avoid accusations. It's very close to saying that women must always be chaperoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:19 AM
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Absolutely. People don't realise how their positions are inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:17 AM
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It's on urbandictionary. I just checked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:13 AM
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I had girls (as they were then) *asking me* to go on dates with them when I was at what I believe is considered US middle school age, and I certainly started asking (different) girls who were in the same school grade/year on dates not that long after.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:07 AM
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the gap between the US age of consent and college is pretty small to non-existent though?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:03 AM
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The relationships I had back then were far more detrimental than recent ones. The trauma itself is a stepping stone, but not a "brush it off" one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:01 AM
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Unless you were constantly spying on everybody, how do you know what anybody was doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:00 AM
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It sounds like you live in Malibu or somewhere similarly shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:59 AM
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in terms of consequences, perhaps. in terms of how important those mistakes seem at the time, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:58 AM
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I would sigh with relief if a woman told me that. It means you are unusually sensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:57 AM
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When you are 50, 27 year olds will look very young, although it you still find them attractive overall you might be a bit weird. Almost everyone under 28 was just annoying by the time I was 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:55 AM
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I'm sure in America they go for tall and rich guys. That isn't true everywhere. Lots of women will reject a guy because he looks too rich and showy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:54 AM
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I think guys who are in their 40s do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:53 AM
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Maybe that's true now. After the AIDS scare, everyone became a lot more terrified of casual sex and that lasted through the 90s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:50 AM
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Given straight women watch girl-on-girl porn just much as straight men, then how they heck is porn "the visual manifestation of male desire"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:44 AM
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I totally agree, but "it's less evil than Nestlé" is a really low bar for anything to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:41 AM
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I think there are SOME men who manage to support freedom of expression "even though" they have active sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:40 AM
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Well I hate almost every TV show produced since 2018, but I don't want to ban TV or stop people watching it. I assume they hate the idea of it, rather than the reality, and hate the societal effects they think are caused by it. It's just "complaining about shows you didn't watch" again.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:35 AM
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This claim is correct, but I've never seen it not receive huge backlash whenever anyone says it. People just don't like to believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:33 AM
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Restrict it how? VPNs get around anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:32 AM
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The majority of the population would refuse to be involved in production even after they've found out about the huge amounts of money to be made?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:31 AM
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There are places, countries where it's totally normal to be obsessed with sex. I've always felt that they would suit me. I don't know what's wrong with that. What other aspects of life should I be putting above it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:30 AM
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What useful things do you think men should be doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:26 AM
1

Having a "drive to work" is a v Calvinist idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:25 AM
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Aren't men driven by those things before they even see porn for the first time?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:23 AM
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Well, yes, they are VERY well paid human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:21 AM
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Relationships are easier to get into when my sex drive is lower, not when I am more desperate. I'm only glad that has lowered itself naturally anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:19 AM
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it's a movie trope, but it doesn't happen much in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:02 AM
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After reading this, I don't know how anybody can label gen z as anything but conservative when it comes to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:01 AM
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It seems to have caused issues for younger women too. Younger men have stopped approaching them. It avoids rejection. It avoids being labelled as a creep. It also means women are left ALONE.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:58 AM
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This is the flip side of male bosses refusing to be alone with female employees AT ALL where they would normally mentor them. Women are now not getting promotions because men refuse to mentor them one-on-one. The me too movement declared that whatever women say MUST be believed, so now most men won't take the risk. The Mike Pence rule has been adopted almost universally. Men are also see approaching women just to talk to them in a similar way and that is reflected in answers like "i'll get cance…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:53 AM
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it's straight out of a 1970s sitcom
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:47 AM
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Almost everybody had some female interest in them in high school but couldn't recognize it because it was far too subtle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:46 AM
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I take it you think high register, correct grammar and punctuation are beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:44 AM
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Men sleep around because OTHER men view women as sexual conquests. I think male promiscuity would be lower if other men - including men under 30 --genuinely did not care how far you got. Young men care what other men think of them, and need to prove their straightness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:36 AM
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True as this may be, people saying it is actually more annoying than being rejected by 10 women. The concept of "entitlement" is being overused in discussions online and offline about almost everything. Life isn't fair. Billionaires (probably) aren't entitled to their money, but they still get it and keep getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:29 AM
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yes, but men don't just want to lose that level of inexperience. they also want to learn how to not repel women / flirt / attract them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:27 AM
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I think the commenter means that men should intuit, or simply ask, whether a woman has been a victim of s.a. What do people think about that idea? Should a man assume she has not and wait for her to talk about it? Or should he ask, and if so, at what point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:25 AM
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But I often rule women out because they don't come up to my standards. The guys walking around using their phones instead of engaging with the agora are not up to my standards of civilised behaviour. (Look where you are going!) Everything in the world is crappier than it ought to be. People think I am saying that I am better than everyone else. I'm not. *I * don't come up to my own standards, either. I can't just lower them. Then they wouldn't be standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:46 PM
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That's dystopian, and the mark of a VERY low trust society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:44 PM
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So basically, men are now REQUIRED to be attractive if out in public, or there will be consequences, which is what women are always complaining about. Equality unlocked?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:43 PM
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That is how the law usually works, but you don't need to offend to be threatened with police action, thrown out of the establishment, embarrassed etc. That's traumatic enough. I can remember horrible things women said to me over 30 years ago. You never forget them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:41 PM
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This sounds like the thing with Karens calling the police over some little thing, or the crazy calls that 911 operators get about things that don't matter. "They left a topping off my pizza order" etc. Maybe some women are copying that? There is a generation that thinks they have a right to never be offended, bothered, questioned, or to ever change their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:36 PM
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Some people need to have a revelation. It's not women they hate. It's everyone. They hate men too. They hate everyone except their parents, and maybe them too. You have to talk to random people until you find some reason to like them. There usually is at least ONE.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:32 PM
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Yes, but this is why I learned by talking to them in a non-sexual way, in a normal non-sexual context. I never go to bars or pubs unless dragged to them by others. They can be hot or not, but if their boyfriend / brother / parents are in the same room, it has to be friendly and platonic anyway. So it's just practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:30 PM
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That's ok. V is F in German and W is V. English will only make any "sense" if you learn Dutch, French and Greek FIRST.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:27 PM
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I can't empathize with them, because I have always been able to talk to women, as long as I didn't fancy them. If I did fancy them, it was a LOT harder. But I can sympathise with them. Some want pity and some don't , but even if they don't want it, that doesn't mean society should deny them any pity. We might not be able to understand, but we should TRY. If they get shut down within 2 or 3 sentences, we can't really be surprised that they have had no practice talking to women, and learning what …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:25 PM
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Common in the sense of class, or commonplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:19 PM
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Does erotic stories count as visual? The anti-porn crusaders [I am not one of them] think written materials are just as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:18 PM
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Ok, but I think that makes it retroactively not casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:17 PM
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Because if you just say "I really like you" too soon, then they will reject you. You have to play hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:15 PM
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Maybe check what % of emissions come from private sector transport?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:13 PM
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Cool. I think a lot of men would like to see the level of interest that we saw with Jodie Kidd, Jennifer Saunders etc. even tho that never translates to driving like Sabine or Abbie.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:10 PM
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I remember when anybody's problem was SOCIETY's problem. Atomization has blown this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:07 PM
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I agree. But when one person's experience is VERY different to mine, it's very hard to respect or understand it. The poor don't understand what it's like to be rich, and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:06 PM
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ok, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:04 PM
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"Thirst" alone does not seem to me to explain that. It seems to imply that the gender demographics of that society are 10-1. Where are the other 9 women for those 10 men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:00 PM
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I might agree to marriage, but only with a prenup. Does that, to you, count as avoiding committing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:59 PM
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I don't see the unpaid work as the main value to a man. Her *presence* is the real value.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:56 PM
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because there are costs that come with being seen as a single man, which can be avoided by using escorts (not for sex, but JUST to be seen with), but they are far too expensive for 99.9% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:56 PM
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A complete lack of abundance is ALSO a curse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:52 PM
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It's the right thing to do. But sometimes "I don't want to hurt you" is correct but too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:51 PM
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Top Gear had some female guests. But there aren't enough women who want to share that passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:50 PM
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That's what non-car people always say, and car people just roll their eyes. I could explain all the other things that cars represent, but I'm not going to type in 10000 words on the subject. But I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:49 PM
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Hard to learn to flirt when no woman is in an environment where flirting is appropriate. It used to be allowed all day, every day while people were at work, between men and women in a reciprocal way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:45 PM
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That lying and fake-it-til-you-make-it is just now considered the normal practice of marketing. Marketing people get so used to it that it's no longer seen as unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:42 PM
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So what should they be doing instead of dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:41 PM
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The problem is that when a man HAS read the room 12 times and the room has only said "I don't like you at all, your clothes suck," etc. one learns to stop caring what the room is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:39 PM
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That attitude is a bit "devil take the hindmost".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:36 PM
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I think that most intelligent people believe that social skills do matter and can be learned, but that life only teaches you what NOT to do by giving you those "lessons" in a very humiliating, painful, traumatizing way. A lot of people think it's not worth it. The people who have good social skills at age 13-15 didn't get them from school, they got them from parents, relatives etc. who served as good role models.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:35 PM
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If a cop "only" shot an innocent suspect 25% of the time, but shot a very guilty person 75% of the time I wouldn't call them a good cop. And btw cops in Europe hardly ever discharge firearms even as a warning, so there's that cultural difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:30 PM
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ok, but I'm a perfectionist. The skill I can't master is the skill of not caring how often the skills that I do have don't produce good results. If I was flying planes that had no autopilot, not crashing 80% of the time would not be a good level of competency. I either try to acquire a skill, obsessively to the point of near infallibility in outcomes, or I won't bother with that skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:27 PM
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Some cultures have a much greater DREAD of embarassment than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:24 PM
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Yes. I do wish people would not rely on hints to communicate. You should try somewhere like the Netherlands. They are totally direct in a way that British or Americans aren't brought up to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:23 PM
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yes, but it's not like flirting is taught at school, and flirting while maintaining deniability is a tightrope that many people of both sexes cannot walk. A hot woman know you want her. She never thinks you only approached for a platonic conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:20 PM
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I am told a lot of women under 30 DO see it as harassment. They would rather avoid ALL forms of "awkwardness" and be able to use app-style blocking in real life interactions. Awkwardness is an unavoidable part of life, never mind talking to one's preferred gender, but they refuse to accept this. I'm just glad that I am too old to have any interest in that generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:18 PM
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I don't want casual sex. I want a relationship that is worth having.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:12 PM
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I assume you are defining someone who is one day away from turning 18 as a child, or at least as a person who should have no legal or moral agency to watch any sexual content whatever?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:06 PM
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Thank you for making my point. Anarchists would say that ALL economics is exploitative and coercive, not just one particular controversial industry. I'm not advocating anything other than capitalism. For as long as scarcity exists, we'll have to have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:59 PM
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I think some economic realism would help. I respect women who do OF, but they shouldn't expect it to set them up for life, unless they are the elite top 0.001% success stories. However much they save before they are in their late 30s, most of them will have that money eaten away by inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:58 PM
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I think they think that it can be cured as a social ill. Their problem is not their despair, or disgust. It's their naive hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:53 PM
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I don't glorify them. I respect their hustle, as a capitalist. I just hope they don't expect to be able to charge for it forever, and of course 99% of them know that. Most of them won't age like Demi Moore has, with or without surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:49 PM
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well, if the definition of normal is "everyone else is doing it" then it's pretty normal for people under 40, yes. other definitions of normal are possible, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:47 PM
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Even before the invention of photography, there was porn, in books, paintings, carvings, and probably cave paintings if you go back far enough. people used their imagination and memory more, but they still gave it some help.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:46 PM
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If I wanted to give a facetious reply to that, I would say "So You're Saying... all women are literally shortsighted?" If I'm on the other side of the room, I am literally invisible? Or is it that men without the confidence to approach inspire no female interest anyway? and usually ALSO don't inspire it when they do approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:07 AM
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What is meant by "this platform" ? If you mean ALL of reddit, then you might have a point. If mean this subreddit, then I don't know either way. Some posters probably do, but given the topic, that is bound to happen, even though it is regrettable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:04 AM
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Woman being cruel to you without consent: abuse Woman being cruel to you with consent: probably fun
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:58 AM
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People assume WAY worse than that. They assume you must be closeted or have the kind of tastes that society condemns. It's no wonder rich men use escorts and trophy wives just to look normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:57 AM
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The facile way outsiders and the media treat it is the worst thing about it. It's far worse than being rejected by a woman with agency. But, let's say you get rejected by 5 women, and you don't hate them for it. The moment you admit to being sad about it,or even just express confusion or ask questions, American society, at least, will start labelling you and making assumptions about you. Society just seems to WANT men to bottle up their feelings, emotional and sexual. In a tiny number of cases, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:55 AM
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It's for yourself if you don't tell anyone. If you tell your bros, it was THEIR respect you were seeking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:49 AM
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I think it's more that society/media isn't willing to recognise how strong the desire of some, esp. younger men is, and since 95% women aren't willing to satisfy it at those levels because they don't share those levels, the gap between them gets exploited or served by "the private sector" or porn or despair, none of which are ideal substitutes. The physical pleasure men get is great, but that's not the most compelling part. It's genuine affection, and "ego pleasure" that you get from a woman tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:47 AM
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The latest fad is for guys to buy "girls" (who may be guys pretending) discord nitro as a present.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:55 PM
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I used to think "why hasn't somebody cracked this yet" given all the smart people in tech. But they don't want to. The money is in keeping you on the app, not finding someone for you quickly so that you leave the app.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:53 PM
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I don't know, but it could be a place to find "sugar daddies", hence the women asking about wealth first.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:49 PM
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"It's the American way."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:51 PM
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You have undermined my trust in corporate marketing and HR slogans forever!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:47 PM
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I think it's more accurate to say that women pick a guy who COULD be dangerous to others, but not to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:42 PM
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Lots are open to it. Hardly any will admit it. The difference in female behaviour between a situation where a woman's father might find out what she is up to and where he can't are night and day. That's why the vibe she gets as to whether you will be bragging about your conquest in the locker room is vital to get right. It's essential to give the vibe that you will be totally discreet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:39 PM
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