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All young women lose their looks over time and men have to compensate for that. I dont see how this is an old man’s problem except when old men try for a fresh sex life by marrying younger women. Generally speaking, having a woman available for sex is extremely valuable whether she is fresh or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 04:10 PM
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Not initially, to be honest. I would be jealous until I heard some predator-style details.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 11:50 PM
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Same minus the gym :/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 07:49 PM
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Appreciate the comment- Im trying to dig beneath gender propaganda to figure this stuff out so that men/women/I can consciously make choices that are better suited.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 03:03 AM
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Board games are not video games- they have the crucial difference of being social activities 100% of the time. Women wanting social transactions should not be a surprise
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 09:13 PM
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Generally speaking, women do not succeed in life by cognition, competition, or combat. They succeed by adapting, appeasing, intuiting, or supporting. Their life “games” are necessarily social. Women who play video games (and use reddit, probably) are women who are either struggling or losing their social games. Its a coping response (or a response that is compensating for problems in the social environment).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 09:10 PM
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“Objectification,” beneath the surface, is a description of being more interested in a woman sexually than she wants you to be (this is where she feels license to make anti-humanistic interpretations about said interest). Sometimes this is reasonable, since perversion makes men more and more sexually interested in woman than in anything else about them. Sometimes this is unfair, because 1. Different women have different degrees that they want men to be sexually interested, and 2. They have diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 04:38 AM
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As others have said but specifically: women want to be as capable as men for their self-esteem, since men have insulted their capabilities and they adopt men’s values (basically the feminist historical problem with biological insight). But they desire men more capable than them. Two separate goals. This results either in a woman with low-self esteem with a great relationship, or a very capable woman unable to find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:23 PM
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Men who want women to approach them are seeking to avoid risk and rejection. But that’s unmanly, so not a productive wish. The better course is to figure out how to take those risks and handle rejection. That said, rejection is painful and a pattern of it is severely demotivating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:30 AM
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Well- rip my my clean-shaven style.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 03:05 AM
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Thank you for a great post- A true gem in the Purge garbage. Im a single 26M outsider that sympathizes with TRP. I hope that looks mean less in religious communities, but your post makes great anecdotal sense to how the black pill plays out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 05:21 PM
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I agree with the other comments that the aggregate is what’s important. There are some women with a high sex drive, and some men with a low one, but the average man has significantly more of a drive than the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:27 AM
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This really took a ridiculous turn. I’ll acknowledge some evil appeal to that quote, now please grow out of that wish. An accomplished man doesnt just “win,” he makes sacrifices for others and protects them. Before we consider whether or not men are properly appreciated for their sacrifices, first be grateful that you dont live in such a nightmare of a world as to expect the sword to eventually devour you and your most precious women to be despoiled by your enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 10:51 PM
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That was a very thoughtful comment without all the feminist/anti-feminist fluff. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 10:41 PM
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I wouldnt go so far- there’s no strong reason why abuse victims cant bond, even if some cant. They are defined by experiences like everyone else- perhaps they like fake rape the same way you like to watch Walker Texas Ranger. It also sounds like you’re suggesting a cause for jealousy here and I dont think thats justified. Its a by-person basis how much someone’s sexual abuse will prevent a good relationship, and honestly, good luck finding women that havent been sexually abused- the number seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 07:04 PM
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I would agree with you that lots of women are looking for fun, not the moral responsibility that a good person brings to relationship. But I want to warn you: being a “nice guy” has more to do with not possessing masculine qualities than it does with possessing moral qualities. Your morality makes you desirable to women who are looking for a long-term partner, but if you are confusing your passivity/nervousness/cowardice for kindness, women are the first to notice that and not want any of it. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 08:56 PM
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Depend on her age. If she was around my age, I would feel sorry that I dont feel attraction and try not to lead her on. Basic human kindness. If she’s 10 years below or 15 years above me, I would be bothered and want to avoid her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 09:29 PM
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One objection of note: internet dating is placing more emphasis on looks, particularly with women finding men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 04:04 AM
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Im not a hardcore red-piller, but I see this plenty on reddit- people either have facts, feelings about facts, or feelings that motivate them. Usually the feeling is strong resentment. You can tell this when people never build a positive case, are dismissive/kurt in responding, or give extra venom towards an idea and the people that hold it. Reddit is the hot street for resentful belief, because many people come here to channel resentments.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 04:09 AM
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Heads up at this topic is very personal and people have strong feelings about it, so I don’t think you’re going to have a very good discussion, especially leading with an authors strong moral opinion against masturbation. That said, I think a more simple explanation is that there is a correlation between pornography and fetish, and if you use enough of it you can see it happening in yourself. Pornography over stimulates the brain, and excessive use dulls the sensation. It’s like a drug- people s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 06:40 PM
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I agree with Nemma- I shot myself in the leg with a gas-powered airsoft gun on purpose at 18. I limped the rest of the day. Girls are particularly susceptible to flattery at that age- it surely cannot be too hard for an agent to get their mind going with how great this will turn out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 08:42 PM
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I can try. This idea is less sure to me than the fact that men try to overcome challenges by understanding, but here are the threads that lead in this direction: -the women in my life can motivate themselves by telling themselves that a situation is brighter than what they clearly perceive it to be- literally believing that it is ok when it is not. Similarly, they can avoid personal issues by flavoring them as good qualities. I find myself unable to do that without a good argument. It is popular…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 08:28 PM
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Its true that sex plays a larger role for men than for most women, but that doesnt mean that men dont want relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 05:13 PM
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Its deeper than that. The desire to prevail over life by knowing is the impulse of scientists, scholars, and explorers throughout history. Civilization was defined and advanced by men hungry to master the world by figuring it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 05:01 AM
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This is denfinately a complex issue that is getting due attention in the comments, and I like the manner that you’re responding to them. My fundamental guiding axiom for my comment is that its impossible for ALL women to be fundamentally broken creatures if all men are not also similarly broken. It sounds like you know how to keep a narcissistic womans interest, and that you’re meeting lots of narcissists. I think you might be a bit uncharitable when you say “they like how I make them feel”- isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 04:58 PM
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Its been my observation that men insitnctively approach problems by trying figure them out, and women by obscuring them. Men are the kind that want to expose/discover things to gain power over them, but women have more power over a matter by covering it up. I think this is why women themselves prefer to be blind to female dynamics; that makes them easier to deal with. And also why women generally do not appreciate efforts fo figure them out. And yet, I notice that if there is anyone who has come…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 04:41 PM
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We're not talking about advertising here, but your statement has some truth and actually makes this same point. Companies put women on ads because its what men greatly want, and women greatly want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 05:03 PM
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Its more like women can select who they are with, unlike any earlier point in society. That's whats meant by selective power. In earlier times women were not esteemed as much as men, even by women. Nowadays its the other way, and I think that is because both genders subconsciously know their worth in the mating game and what strategies to employ for that. Women have selective power and both genders are subconsciously adjusting to succeed in the mating game based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 05:01 PM
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The wisdom in that (first) response is that you have to be somewhat disengaged with the task in order to succeed. And you do- stable women notice when you want it more badly than you should. But you also have to be improving performance- earnings, social skills, personal goals, such like that. Its a quote that is true only because of critical factors behind the scenes. i'd say the other two quotes are hinting at the same truth but are otherwise wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:47 PM
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Yeah, probably because the experience of women is more compelling in the West right now than men's experience. There are deep possible explanations for that: 1. Women are literally writing the articles, since they have a now-dominant presence in journalism, or 2. Women's selective power through dating has conditioned men to sympathize with them as a means of accessing them. This definitely has truth in explaining the presence of radical feminist man-hating men. 3. Women taking a narrative of vul…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:40 PM
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It's complicated. You're right and you're wrong. On the one hand, women have gotten drunk on selective power. On the other, men have always been judged by performance, and theres a crucial part to which these sexless men probably have issues that they dont realize are making them undesirable. I can tell from the comment chain that you're bitter about these things, so I just want to stress: some of what you accuse women of is true, but until you notice and deal with the part that makes you (?) un…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:32 PM
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Despite porn being a problem for men in general, it is more compelling for some men over others. After doing research on the differences between men and women in consuming pornography, Im starting to realize that Im part of the 20-40% that takes it extra seriously, and when I question my upbringing, it makes complete sense (for example, my Mom was emotionally detached during my earliest years, and correspondingly I was crazy about girls in kindergarten). This means that some men get mired in it,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:24 PM
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I can understand, but I hope you notice how clearly that is a personal problem that wont be helped by any change in women's behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:12 PM
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I skimmed your post because it kept suggesting that TRPers are saying things for reasons of avoiding trouble/not thinking, which is a skewed way of looking at people of a different ideology. You need a kernel of charity to correctly understand why someone espouses what they espouse, and this post shouldnt have made that effort anyway. That said, I agree with the sentiment and would put it this way: TRP information is amoral, but people ALWAYS espouse or use information for reasons, even when the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 06:26 PM
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I think you’ll get agreement from women who have had violating experiences with men, and disagreement from other women. I did some interviews on modesty and noticed that the women who were supportive of nudist colonies were women who had bad experiences/reactions to male sexual attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 05:54 PM
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Im basically saying that you cant believe in the redemption of men and not women in any geographical area. That would deny the supernatural way that Christ redeems. By saying that laws keep women at bay, you are saying that Christ does not work on them inside like he presumably does men. Laws keep wicked people at bay, not true believers; their heart becomes obedient to God. To “recapitulate” means to recast- we have example of the redeemed man and woman in Christ and Mary, who Adam and Eve shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:05 AM
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Look, you have a tenable view, and Paul’s path is a valid one, except that your doctrine of women cannot possibly be Christian. Its not just women that are sinful and in need of redemption, and more importantly both men and women are redeemed and made new by the work of Christ. To believe that such women cannot be found is can only be true if there are no righteous people in the West. You cant suggest that one gender is unredeemed in the west; thats not the story of Adam and Eve that is recapitu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 04:56 AM
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To repeat myself, its because its not likely that people who make moral commitments against divorce uphold them as badly as those who make so such thing. Its like saying that students committed to studying to get good grades get the same grades as other students. Your source was detailed but not neutral, not that I would discount it for that reason. My source has a dramatic headline; that doesnt make it biased. You have to be careful when navigating a very charged issue and be willing to look be…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 05:40 PM
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Im not sure what “I do” refers to. I hate to say it this way but when research contradicts what is very likely, I have to doubt the research. The punchline of “conservative Christians are the same about marriage as non-religious people” is just not reasonable. You should infer that the research has a methodological problem. Here is some more research fhat straightens this out by changing the self-descriptor “conversative” to the more objective “active in church” descriptor, which helps define th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 06:08 AM
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I want to agree with a lot of this- women in particular associate with Christianity because it grants them the treatment that they want from others, particularly men. Men, on the other hand, can find Christianity very annoying to their life goals and much more frequently leave the church. Then they return when they gain interest in an innocent woman to settle down with. I'm not offended to consider that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:55 PM
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Totally. The precise idea of marriage roles come from Ephesians 5 and 1 Peter 3: husbands have leading authority that they must use self-sacrificially, and wives need to self-sacrificially respect that authority. people can criticize that all day; Im only trying to point out precisely what the Bible plainly says about Christian marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 07:33 PM
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I'd be interested in your data on that. But also, it may surprise you but there are a lot of Baptist churches that arent traditional or conservative. Southern Baptist is a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 06:04 PM
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Actually, people who make personal commitments to an organized religion as an adult do not leave their faith all the time. The people who leave their faith are 9 times out of 10 people whose faith was someone elses to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 05:54 PM
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You gotta stay grounded here- if a woman acts sluttly, she's not gonna be going to church, serving, respecting me, and quoting verses to me at the same time. You'd love to point out the exception but ignore the rule- I've never witnessed it happen once. Thats as much assurance as you can ever get. Edit: Also, the church is its own environment. If a woman wants to be "empowered" she'll leave. If she still feels at home in that church, I can assure you that I wont be at the same church.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 05:52 PM
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Thats a very fair point. I do need to clarify that devout Christians tend to be conservative, because the plain text of the Bible is not a feminist message, so this is not as much of an issue as it may appear. Edit: I do want to agree that church is largely a feminized space, but this is not true of Christians who check the boxes and follow the traditional doctrines. Its true of the hip/modern/impressionable folks that identify as Christian (and, to their credit, may be on their way there).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 05:48 PM
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A key component of a TradCon is Christianity. Devout Christianity hacks the matrix for men. As a devout Christian man, I dont have to worry about low N count, or about high N count in women. I dont have to worry about women divorcing me for frivolous reasons, because devout Christians ride or die in marriage. I know that no one wants a sermon from me, but I can just tell you that devout Christianity makes marriage the solid rock that many of you wish it could be, and tames men and women to be mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 04:54 PM
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Smart men who rate intelligence highly often dont have a male friend in their lives that is smart. They want to be attracted and understood, which (I know this will sound offensive) is asking too much in the same person given evolutionary history.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 10:22 PM
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As someone who’s been thinking about this for a while, I think the problem is a lack of social prowess and emotional openness among men. Women tend to accomplish this very easily and have been doing it for a long time with others, but men are stilted and uncomfortable in developing personal relationships with other men. There may even be power dynamics that creep into relationships between men- The one who laughs the most at jokes, or who shows the most grief, is more in need of the other- there…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 05:43 PM
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(Upfront disclaimer that I skimmed your post). I took a whole communication class about how emotionally motivated (impulsive) people conflate the feelings caused by an attractive woman with the product they are buying. People are absolutely self motivated in decisions as you say, and therefore have understandable reasons for doing what they do. More importantly: I think often beyond the feeling conflation, attractive women can act as if men are “getting somewhere” with them, which is very reward…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 05:46 PM
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I dont see opposition here if we restrict the interpretation a bit, more like "on to another success" at most. But I agree and this is why people misunderstand male pornography addiction: it feels like success. People who arent successful in life or in their own eyes are much more disposed to getting hooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 05:35 PM
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Good point- this is what I meant + the positive side regarding men’s history.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 11:48 PM
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As a male sympathetic to both genders, I think the answer is specifically that men take the past of a woman more seriously than women take the past of a man. Interpret that how you will, but I think thats the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 03:47 AM
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I admire your sentiment, but people are not unreasonable for focusing on the fact that within certain life stages, one gender may have a much harder time. And goodness, dont reduce the cause of hatred or difference to different genitals- I see this rhetoric all the time. Its as silly as saying different opinions on cats and dogs is “all because they have different whiskers/tails/ears.” Dont be so sassy-simplistic; thats not a smart way to interpret issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:20 PM
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People get too focused here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:17 PM
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That’s a bit discouraging to me but by sticking around I (M 25 “tradcon”) might help the sub relax a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:49 PM
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Quality trolling my sir
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:45 PM
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Your point? If there wasn’t even implied consent, then you still shouldn’t do it. Doesn’t matter if it worked out in the end- I think most of us would agree that ends don’t justify means. This guy got really lucky that he could break the rules and she was OK with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:44 PM
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You would think, but actually- the accursed magazines that are considered to fuel appearence envy and grooming are almost exclusively bought by women. As a man, I forget that they even exist, and I reckon other men do too. That suggests that women largely fund their own interest in appearence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:21 AM
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The central problem is that women change, but men choose to change. Its a stength/weakness. Generally speaking, women conform to whatever standard is placed on them, be it appearence, conduct, occupation, etc. Men are much more willing to say no and do their own thing. Particularly, men have to choose to live life in a productive, sacrificial way. This is why our society has such frustration over the issue of “good” men- you cant push men into being good like you can women; they get worse. You h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:16 AM
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Not to be too blue pill, but I actually think that “love wins” in this scenario. Refusing to admit that there’s nothing there and imagining that there is something there are behaviors I would expect, but I dont think that there actually becomes “something there” if the sex is good. You have to find something on a personal level separately. It complicates things that for many, sex is a personal statement. But if so, it wont be made casually and the sex being good isnt the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:34 PM
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That is a hardcore interesting statement. Perhaps such men are frustrated because women dont understand them well enough to feel the level of intimacy these men are looking for- the intimacy that they would want to find from the person they are so desirous towards. (There was an essay that my junior highschool class read about homosexuality in the Heart of Darkness; it essentially claimed that the shared imperial understanding of the male characters bonded them in intimate ways. The whole class …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 06:42 AM
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I dont mean to be unkind, but to be forward: If you believe that lessons taught from society explain sexual behavior, and that ongoing problems will be solved if people would simply unlearn those lessons, you are not yet able to address these complex problems. Men want intimacy like women, but they express that with much greater sexual emphasis than women generally do. To make things worse, incels are often depressed and often emotionally isolated. People have lots of self-destructive behaviors …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:54 PM
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Ok, so I think you’re a bit off-base on these concepts. Im going to respond as if there’s some important insights to be gained in this conversation. it is very difficult to make natural behavior conscious. Most full-grown adults do not do it. Often people who have been in counseling for a long time begin to notice their unconscious behavior (and more deeply, unconscious motivations for that behavior) and have to continue to correct it throughout their lives. It’s a common trick for people to ima…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 03:04 PM
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Thats why you gotta go full religion, not half-religion, and find someone doing the same. You have to reconcile your morality with your lifestyle. You can cut out your morality but I would surmise that the meaningless feeling gets worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:54 PM
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Your post is interesesting, but its important to point out- Its not important what beliefs women state, because (not entirely unlikely men), their conscious beliefs do not determine unconscious behavior. Mate selection is a particularly unconscious process. Its more important to observe how they behave. Whether wrong or not, alpha/beta/omega is an downstream attempt to explain women’s behavior. I would consider a theory designed to explain behavior more seriously than someone’s stated beliefs an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:49 PM
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Men and women hitting. I dont condone any of it but I think we can sense that its not the same between genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:13 AM
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Um, you’re ignoring the obvious here- what this means is that serious men are trying to avoid sluts, despite your pointing out that their methods are not adequate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:44 PM
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Hardly ever have I 25M] seen comments on Reddit in favor of men and women achieving a happy union in society without erasing their differences, and never at this quality. I am encouraged for the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 05:30 AM
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You should check the type of explanations OP makes against pornography before you call them “controlling” or “Puritain.” Any redditor can easily notice someone ignoring material to interpret a post a certain way, because we read the post. Its not impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 04:43 AM
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I appreciate this as a reverse example of the anti-female sentiment that this sub can get. I let it sit and even entertain it because Im a male, but when this post critisizes my gender in a nonunderstanding, mocking way, I get upset. Definately a good reminder. Anyway, I notice that you kept the “age 12” aspect in play not because thats the most robust version of your argument, but because men dont ever want to be considered as children. The truth is that men’s preferences do change from adolesc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 06:16 PM
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I agree with the data but dont think it relates to the unsurprising behaviors much at all. I dont understand how this data supports your assumptions that orgasms and sexual satisfaction have a strong correlation for women, or that a lack of sexual satisfaction explains why women have different sexual behavior than men. I shouldnt be the one to say this but there's a lot more to female relationship and sex choices than that. You shouldnt compare them to men in these ways or suppose that you will …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 01:47 PM
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What I’ve noticed is that men are helped by crying and not bottling up their feelings. However, I’ve also noticed that when a man breaks, the household breaks- the wife is ashamed, the kids are worried, and what they say does not change that. So men must often forgo and keep a straight gaze for the sake of their relationships or family. Men can only cry to their friends safely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 01:44 AM
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To start with a comment against your point- I [M] want to stress that there is so much in pornograpghy that is not realistic, so IF someone were to get confused about any of it, it would harm their relationship. Its important to understand that many elements in all kinds of pornography are not realistic and would in fact be harmful to strive for. In that sense, it can be dangerous, moreso in deluding men than deluding women. But in favor of your point- men and women have particular reasons for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 06:05 AM
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Im not sure those are the same people in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 09:46 PM
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If you can’t believe in the ideal of Jesus, articulate an ideal that treats others fairly and sensitively and submit to it as devotedly as if it was god. That would cause a significant positive change in your relationships, even if people treat you like garbage. (An advantage of the ideal of Jesus is that it operates confortably in the reality that people will still treat you like garbage.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 12:12 AM
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I like your post because Im also a critical person, and my life hurts. Its always been an obstacle to relationships- I’ve perhaps met one person who values it, and even they dont take it well. I will simply say that I think there is a solution in religion- the type that teaches that people are deeply, consistently selfish and insists that they have to act better out of duty before they (perhaps) become better. I browse reddit and navigate life as a young adult male, and I find that all the bitte…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 01:09 AM
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I dont know what its worth to call a group a hate group. If there’s something meaningfully non hateful going on in it, I wouldnt classify it by the extent that it says hateful things. People get upset and hateful sometimes. Its not like r/twoxchromosomes doesnt have passive aggressive comments about men all the time. I would let both groups carry on and members sort themselves out at their own pace. Edit: Just learned the far extent of the hateful messages on the mgtow forum. Yeah ok, that needs…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 08:28 PM
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I agree with you in general. Ignoring the desperate and delusional, the incel community is a people with real struggles that reflect some faulty aspects of society. They suffer more and know more than many people. In some ways I (25m) share those struggles, but truthfully I dont feel helped by frequenting any forums about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 08:21 PM
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Woah. Are we living in the same world? Its been shown again and again that men care more for looks than women do, and women care for status more than men do, despite those other factors being important (especially when the primary factor is not sufficently selling someone). Looks certainly have the advantage of being valued most highly by both parties at first impression/glance/contact, but after that, men succeed on status all the way. A high-looks low-status man would likely be seen by women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 08:16 PM
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Interesting moment to use “titrate.” Makes me wonder about your background.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 01:03 AM
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Good post. I (20s m) am having a lot of trouble appreciating my life situation, but its important to be patient and resist the urge to idealize the other gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 02:00 PM
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That is so thoughtful. I would be shocked if my wife did something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 01:42 PM
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I (m) can say something for/against. Firstly, I think it's a very reasonable instinct to be protective around men, because the possibility of being overpowered is way worse than the high chance that things will be great if you act trustingly. If men understand this, they'll be less bothered by it. On the other hand, when women become too afraid of men (through the news, through bad experiences, ect) their threshold of interest in men will raise. (As evidence, the steroid androstadienone is sold …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 12:32 AM
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This has been raised almost exactly ITT in the recent past. I (M) am open to it but dont agree: yes there is perhaps unjustified concern in a relationship if a man is a virgin, but cmon, you think that women have sex at the beginning of a stable relationship because they prefer it that way? I dont believe it; they do it because that's what men expect, and they dont want men to leave. (Thats probably also a strong reason why men pay for their dates nowadays, to pressure sexual reciprocity.) Even …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 03:48 AM
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Do you think it was worth changing your life to completely center around what girls think of you and the validation you get from sex? Doesnt this presume that men in this situation felt this way, and that it was the reason for their inactive dating life? Did you finally lower your standards? Definitely supposes that high standards were a persistent problem in this case. Unless I am somehow greatly overestimating the aggression in this post, I dont see how else you could have meant that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 03:17 AM
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OP didnt say that women are bitches for any of that, just that these are ways that competition is happening for male attention. Also regarding your comment, there's an interesting thing that happens when enough women play male dominance games (such as ideological arguments and careermanship): if men find that they cant win without being disliked by women, they would rather leave than lose. You can observe this in the foursquare box during recess, the speech slam in history class, your sister or …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 03:03 AM
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I appreciate your effort to interpret large social phenomenon, however I think a simpler explanation should be considered: Women can earn massive income by marketing themselves sexually online, far better than in nearly any other occupation. That alone is some serious incentive, especially with an increased interest (and possibly a need) for women to support themselves independently. However on the question of competition, I've been listening to a few evolutionary psychologists who agree that me…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 02:41 AM
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This seems like an aggressive and presumptive survey; I'm impressed with the people that are calmly replying to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 02:26 AM
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If women didnt work, families would be able to live on a single salary. The price of employment would rise to adjust for the reduced workforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:50 AM
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There's reason to find both groups shallow for that. Women tend to look for status, and men for looks. Lots of good stuff falls through the cracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:31 AM
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Thats easy. Because what is asked for from women is something that they more closely identify with and have feelings about. If you were to expect a gay man to have sex with you as part of a relationship compromise, it would be a perfectly reasonable compromise in the abstract, but because they identify with their orientation, it may instead strike them as extremely degrading. I'm on your side of the issue generally, but its not hard to figure why people feel differently. Personally I dont want w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 12:03 AM
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Sorry, I edited in my reason why.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 11:28 PM
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Yes, this used to be a cultural expectation in America (and probably most other countries throughout history). There are instructional materials from 19th century about being ready in bed for your man to do what he wants. Marriage licences also contained the first half of the Bible verse that "The wife does not have authority over her body, but [it belongs to] her husband..." 1 Corinthians 7:4. (The other half of the passage says the same thing about the husbands body, but that was not included.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 11:13 PM
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Basically you can be a safe person, and women will appreciate it but wont respect you. They can sense you are safe because you're not strong and determined, or because you want them to like you (hence all the men who capitulate into affirming the female narrative all the time dont get much attention.) But then there's being strong and determined in a way that is predatory to women, and women are averse to that. So there must be strength and determination shown in ways that are not sex-fixated or…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 10:45 PM
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I'd like to know about this too. I'm not RP and normally would think these concepts too cynical, but I found a concerning video from (conservative) Lauren Southern talking to women and entreating them to resist the urge to upscale their man. It was made as a "I feel it too, but as women we should stay loyal" kind of presentation. That caught my attention. So maybe the urge to do this is at least somewhat prevalent. ​ Its possible that these theories play out like this: women lose their sexual ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 08:27 PM
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You’re saying that the pressure is the motivating factor. But to the contrary, it seems to me that enjoyment is the motivating factor. Since men enjoy it, I dont believe that pressure is what makes them do it. I dont even think they would feel “pressure” to do it. Pressure seems like a contrary motivating factor to enjoyment here... Certainly there’s pressure?! Help me understand why this is not a totally outlandish claim. What does this look like?? I have never heard of such pressure, and I’ve …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 05:32 AM
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I actually think both. Unlike women, men are generally much more willing to marry someone young. That puts older women in more of a tight spot. Also those women tend to have children, so now any interested man has to jump right into supporting that after being single. Not the greatest offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 11:17 PM
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Some of the feedback here seems earnest and willing to seriously consider the issue. Overall Im impressed by it and surprised that this thread seems to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 11:14 PM
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I dont think they said that that anyone “gets shamed”, but that men are ashamed of themselves in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 10:42 PM
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Yeah definitely, I can tell that the condescension is satisfying. No doubt people intend that when they’re upset. However, as you mentioned: Its also comes from the idea that people are largely blank slates that need fo be taught what is good and bad, so when there is a persistent societal problem, it must be that people are being taught badly and need to be taught the other way. I hold no punches: that understanding is mostly naive. People tend to do what they want, regardless of what they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 10:16 PM
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Yikes man. Im all for advancing a controversial theory, but lots of this is just observably not right. (Im a male and not fond of today’s feminism btw, to give you an idea where I come from.) The psychology behind the idea that “people are attracted to those who do similar things” is far too basic. Its often not true. Have you considered how often people who do similar things conflict with one another? Sleeping around is definitely a candidate issue. Guys absolutely do not sleep around primarily…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 09:25 PM
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I like your first point, but I think you might be confusing saying something that is true “to some meaningful extent, but could use qualifications” with saying something “basically wrong to make someone feel good”. I personally have almost 0 respect for the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 08:27 PM
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The way I see it, women have their own terms for when they are a man’s reward, and they get upset when a man views them as a reward on other terms than their own. I think the punchline here is that women generally have feelings that make some sense and deserve dignify, but not much rational awareness to see how things could be in another perspective. They operate in a consistent way, but they misunderstand what that way is all the time. Its not so different from men, but I do think it is differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 07:34 PM
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