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double standardsSpicyMarshmellow/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/23 08:09 PM
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To me personally, hand-wringing about population decline codes very conservative. And excusing discrimination on the basis of biologically innate societal duties even more so. It feels bizarro world to see this guy making this thread after your post prompted me to check his post history. Edit: Nevermind - they just said further down that they don't classify themselves as leftist. So that basically explains it. At the same time, that should answer the question for them. They don't consider themse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/26 12:07 AM
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What does left-wing mean to you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/26 11:49 PM
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Of course that's an agreeable statement, taken by itself. But valuable to society is not automatically equivalent to laboring for society. I did cleaning so my son and I can live in a clean house. I didn't do cleaning to benefit society. It's just me living my life. That this contributes to my son growing into a productive member of society is an unintentional tertiary benefit. I raised my son because he's my son, not to benefit society. It's average human self-interest to do so. And if my son d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/26 12:46 AM
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I immediately can't take anyone seriously who recites the "reproductive labor" talking point. It's an obscenely bad faith idea. It completely discounts fatherhood and men's traditional household roles as having any relation to raising a child, which is grotesquely insulting to men. And it tries to equivocate normal human living of life with workplace labor. Like when women do household chores for their own self-interest that they specifically deserve to receive wage compensation for doing so. Fo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/26 09:54 PM
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Aaaand that answers the question as to why you're getting downvoted. You're literally doing the "Men die in larger numbers - women most effected" meme. We can smell it from a mile away.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/26 08:24 PM
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Going to echo an aspect of what I'm already seeing in other comments. I agree with you up to a point. That point being where men are demonized for having feelings or preferences related to promiscuity, and then it becomes a men's issue. I've seen a ton of women at this point have absolute meltdowns about how any man who cares at all about a woman's sexual history in relation to his dating preferences is basically evil. And there are many conservative grifters who drive this as a wedge issue, but…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/26 08:13 PM
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We live in a world where more people are mobilized by identitarian framings than they are by class struggle framings. I don't like that either, but if people are mobilized, regardless of what motivated them, and that causes the specific issue to be addressed, I think that's a good thing. Even if the larger underlying issue of worker exploitation as a systemic feature of capitalism is still not addressed. Many women's issues have been addressed as single issue items by tapping into identitarian e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/26 05:37 PM
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Serious issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/26 05:37 PM
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Sounds psychotically absolutist. You're making zero distinctions. What if the guy finds out when the kid's only a year old? What if the biological father is known? Does he not bear any responsibility when the truth comes out? Does he not deserve an opportunity to form a bond with his kid? Isn't it pretty common for the kid to also want to get to know their biological father in these situations? Your mind just goes straight to absolutist demonization, based on the most simplistic construct of the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/26 05:23 PM
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I see paternity fraud as basically equivalent to rape. He became a parent as a product of deception. He did not consent to become a parent of that child. He was forced into it by deception. Deception that also hid violation of terms of the relationship, and completely altered the course of his entire life, which he is now discovering was built entirely on a lie. So while it may be unfair to the child, it's the person guilty of paternity fraud who created the situation that is unfair to both the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/26 05:04 PM
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Safe Space has essentially become a dogwhistle
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/26 04:51 PM
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I will give you the law of human nature, screech all you like: women do not care who the father of the child is, only who will be in the role of a father of the child. This whole purity culture and obsession with 'loyalty' in bedroom is depraved, depraved excrement of a worldview that glorifies the most primitive and regressive form of tribalism. It sounds like you're saying it's depraved for a man to care about who his child is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/26 04:46 PM
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True! Good observation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 07:26 PM
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I think what's most telling is the open-ended response section. It's definitely possible and crossed my mind that the people who checked the pre-written box for "I would lose everything if I told" are the same people who checked "Concerned partner would falsely accuse". But I don't know if you read the open-ended question section. They left a space for the men surveyed to write a response in their own words, and then they divided those responses into categories. Of 1,194 participants, 982 provid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 06:42 PM
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Women emotionally associated with good Women being emotionally associated with good = privilege Privilege emotionally associated with bad Therefor research confirming women emotionally associated with good = privilege = "counterintuitive" It's a classic case of the researchers being unable to recognize their own biases, even when the research itself is directly examining those very same biases
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:07 PM
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It's so frustrating how hard they work to pin the blame on masculine embarrassment. To try and portray it as if it's elementary school playground "You got hit by a giiirl!" point and laugh culture extending into adulthood. And how hard they work to marginalize the fear of women's social power. The cultural and institutional bias that gives women the power to flip the script on us. That makes social workers and law enforcement try to punish us, no matter how obvious it is that we're the victim. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 03:07 PM
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manpower
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 05:39 PM
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I'd prefer we just equalize the aspiration and nurturing we offer to both boys and girls in a diverse fashion that doesn't posit any gender-oriented model. Teach boys and girls how not to be assholes, make it universally human, not gendered, and leave it at that. If girls can thrive under "Be anything you want", than so can boys. We just need to actually offer that equally. The oak tree thing should be an aspirational moral message for girls, too. Boys don't specifically need to hear it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 04:37 PM
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I've been pretty radically left since I was in my mid-teens in the late 90's. Considered myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-30's. Been very online since 1996. I think one major crux of the issue is the post-2016 left is literally not the same group of people as the pre-2016 left. Trump's entrance into politics brought with it a huge surge of political engagement from people who were previously non-political, and only became engaged because they found Trump aesthetically offensive. These …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 04:23 PM
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It's illegal to state that the emperor has no clothes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 02:24 PM
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It's a central tenet of the Duluth Model, and in my experience is a mainstream feminist talking point regarding domestic violence. I saw it repeated countless times in regards to Depp v Heard, and I've seen many discussions and memes about how women shouldn't be charged with a crime for killing their abusers, always slipping in the unspoken premise that if a woman kills a man it's because he was abusing her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/26 02:25 PM
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Of course, she would recoil in offended horror if anyone dare suggest that women attempting more is at least partially motivated by social power plays, or emotional spite/retalation. But to suggest that men actually follow through on suicide due to sinister motives is ok. Not only that, but to label it as violence against women...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/26 10:23 PM
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They will never die as a direct result of that pregnancy. I am named after my paternal grandfather, who I never met. He died when my dad was 15. He worked himself to death. My grandmother was manipulative, and had everybody convinced for years that she was of frail health. My dad was raised to believe that he needed to spend as much time as possible with his mom, because they didn't know how long she had. And his dad worked like hell to make sure she never had to do anything. He died of a heart …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/26 02:18 AM
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The test run was Julian Assange.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/26 01:08 PM
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The examples werent from the 2 minutes she was on stage, but from other songs...? And?... they still know what they're promoting. If that counts the same standart should be held for male artists, yet i see no posts about that at all lol OP acknowledges that misogyny is also present in rap early in his post, and I see multiple acknowledgements of it in the comments. If you're saying that nobody's making threads discussing it, that's because it's not the subject of this forum. Calling out, punishi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 02:25 PM
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Wow. Such intellectual honesty. Ignoring the examples provided in OP's post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 01:51 PM
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I've basically avoided most of the internet for the past 5 years because of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 06:10 AM
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Name an example of incel violence other than Elliot Rogers without looking it up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 06:05 AM
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which has seen members committing shocking acts of real-world violence People really need to be called out more on repeating this. This narrative that "incels" are this overwhelming violent threat to women who have committed countless acts of violence has been pushed nonstop for so many years now. Yet, I challenge people to name a single example other than Elliot Rogers without having to look it up, and they never do. They are 1000x more likely to harm themselves than anyone else. This claim tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 06:03 AM
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The distinction is that attraction is desire for a romantic relationship (or just physical lust or both), but love doesn't have to be romantic. But both attraction and love are required for a functional romantic partnership.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/26 09:27 PM
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Attraction without knowing someone will be based on superficial qualities. Attraction after you get to know someone can be based on things that aren't superficial. A serious, committed relationship should be based on attraction that isn't superficial. Love and attraction are two separate things. Both are necessary for a romantic relationship. Love is a complex thing, but 3 very important aspects of it, imo, are enjoying the person's company, appreciating who they are as a human being, and caring…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 06:37 PM
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So basically... she objectified him as a lucrative social investment portfolio. She liked his status and prospects. She didn't view him as an actual human being beyond that. And she became disinterested when they grew close enough for her to see him as a person. This seems like a really common story these days. Also, I'm actually surprised at how little misandry I'm seeing in the comments on a quick browse, and there are other top level comments making basically the same observation as me gettin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 03:16 AM
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While I don't condone it, I won't shame you for it. I think it's unstoppable regardless. I find it difficult to care anymore. At this point, I see the society I live in as mostly just terrible people tearing each other apart, and I don't even care to try and get between them. I just want to be away from it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 03:02 AM
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I think it's a valid sentiment taken too far. Like I'm pretty sure you're talking about how it's infested other minority justice movements. And like... it's valid that for example slavery conferred huge generational disadvantages on black people in the USA, such that there is justification for society to put effort into correcting that. But no individual person who didn't participate in the crime carries any responsibility to individually sacrifice for the sake of that correction or carry collec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 11:09 PM
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I say this because the point of it was the "risk, and concurrent fear of being in a position of power that can fall apart catastrophically." Yes, it concedes that "men are in power" which does suck, but that little concession might help scaffold the "fall apart catastrophically" part. I wasn't even thinking of it like that. I was just quickly grabbing at it as meaning "Something that's constantly hanging over our heads that could drop on us and kill us unpredictably at any time, and is always pr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:47 PM
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I know exactly what you're talking about. When talking about my experiences with feminists, even when I am up front explicit about supporting gender equality and quantify what that means to me with "I believe men and women should have exactly the same opportunities and rights before the law, and be subject to the same standards of behavior and consequences for violating those standards." But then I talk about how my experiences have shaped my opinion of the feminist movement. Or heck, it's not e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:09 PM
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Just a few days ago I was on a thread where someone---a teacher ffs with control over small children---was explaining why it is necessary to treat men/boys as an evil monolith for at least a few generations until it is guaranteed that the sexist attitudes of the past have been burned out of us because---to quote verbatim---"the boot has only been off our necks for a few decades at most". I really feel sorry for women as a whole, because of people like that. I have been seeing the rise of what I'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 09:25 PM
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I chose to focus on other things, but yeah, this stood out to me too. They refuse to see men as individuals, and push collective responsibility on us for anything bad any individual man ever does. Yet "Women aren't a monolith! Feminism is a diverse movement!" is one of their favorite mantras. It's an extremely common blatant hypocrisy. There is no reason whatsoever when an individual does something bad to make it about their gender. There is no reason whatsoever for a women traumatized by the ac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:54 PM
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It originates in the US (Duluth, Minnesota). But it's influential throughout the western world. It's promoted by the UN, and reaches as far as Russia. I recommend you read through their recognitions page (https://www.theduluthmodel.org/about-us/recognitions/), which is a very revealing summary of the growth of their influence throughout the world. They have an official youtube channel, where they talk about their history, and openly brag about their role in establishing mandatory arrest policies…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:29 PM
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All the classifications of murder are still called murder, though?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:15 PM
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I want to be absolutely clear that my perspective is not formed on social media alone. I had to abandon almost my entire social circle several years ago, because all of a sudden they couldn't stop saying hateful shit about men constantly. I'm talking about people I'd known since before social media existed. People who had attended my wedding and whose weddings I'd attended. One of my closest friends since high school started posting shit like "I wish I could support mandatory vasectomies for men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:08 PM
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I would like to understand your thoughts on my response to their point. It seems to me like a flippant hand-wave of something that's actually a really big fucking deal. It's a sword of damocles hanging over the heads of hundreds of millions of men, deliberately placed there by feminism. Arguably the largest tangible impact that feminism has had on society. And you would expect that as such, there would be internal friction within feminism over it for being so fucking terrible, but there is nothi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:55 PM
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At any point I could have decided to stop the thing, having the physical strength for it, which is an option that a woman most of the time doesn't have while being raped. That's what makes it different. I 1000% disagree. You know what I think men's collective response question to man v bear should have been? Who would you rather fight? A woman or a bear? Because I would choose the bear. I could win a physical fight with most women, but society will ensure that I am punished for doing so, even if…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:28 PM
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This is one of the most common motte & baileys. I see patriarchy described this way constantly, academic environments included, and when feminists describe patriarchy in such a manner I have never - ever - not once - seen another feminist step in and challenge that description. I have only seen that description challenged when it is brought up as a criticism of feminism. And I am not echo-chambered on this. I considered myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-30's, more than casually. And whe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:13 PM
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Simply calling it a dogshit idea is really unfair, though. It has been the overwhelmingly dominant ideology and organization throughout the western world behind legislation, policy, and protocol of every sort of organization from shelters to law enforcement to family court to therapy to stuff like hospital procedures going out of its way to give women exclusively the opportunity to report men in confidence. Every single domestic violence-adjacent website and shelter you will ever see has the pow…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:06 PM
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Does this mean to me that the entire idea of feminism should be disregarded? No Wait wait wait. By "the entire idea of feminism", you mean rejection of expectation to conform to strict gender norms and support for gender equality, right? Do you actually think people reject that here? We support those ideas around here. Our criticism of feminism is that the movement does not act according to its words. Not just randos on social media, but even at its highest levels of influence on society, it con…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:55 PM
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How familiar are you with the Duluth Model?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:36 PM
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Perfect example of why the left is losing. I still have exchanges with people like that, but I no longer put in effort for very long before I simply start directly saying "You are a vile, revolting, hateful bigot, and you know what you're doing."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:44 AM
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Simply the act of confiding in a friend, you know damn well you are risking an escalation when she inevitably finds out. And this is universal to relationship dynamics. It's the same for women. The victim not only cannot talk about it, but will go to great lengths to actively cover for their abuser as a sort of co-conspirator to their own victimization. Because they know their abuser will punish them somehow if they don't actively play along with pretending it's a normal relationship and everyth…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/26 08:08 PM
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The whole thing is so frustrating. The mantra constantly fed to us is that men don't report because they find it embarrassing to admit being harmed by a woman. Which is so deeply insulting. The reality is men don't report because the likelihood is too high that authorities will punish the man for reporting. Not just laugh at him, but treat him as the perpetrator. And that reflects the entire society we live in, not just interactions with authorities. So men don't talk about it. I've found that i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/26 05:03 PM
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I live in the USA. Was with an abusive partner for 20 years. Having heard these stories, including when it happened to someone in my social circle (complete with the girlfriend telling police that she was the one at fault and begging them not to arrest her boyfriend), had a major impact on me. Along with all of the extremely obvious bias in most everyone around me with regard to who they cared about and believed, and what behaviors my ex was able to get away with plainly in front of witnesses an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/26 04:50 PM
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This. It's a natural response to widespread gaslighting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 10:50 PM
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You might be commenting because you're aware of this, but for anyone else browsing: IVF sex selection overwhelmingly favors daughters over sons in the western world. I've seen multiple sources on this, but here's the quickest one I could dig up for this post. https://slate.com/technology/2024/05/ivf-daughters-toxic-masculinity-sex-selection.html Old debates around sex selection focused on the wish for sons. Today in America, that preference is often reversed. One study found that white parents h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 10:17 PM
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I've always thought Emma Goldman was a real one, and this reinforces that drastically. Roe v Wade gets framed as a men vs women issue, but I'm always telling people that religious affiliation is a far, far stronger indicator of stance on that issue than gender. It's religion and class. Because unwanted children are the most powerful fuel for a dystopian society. Not just for the production of laborers and war fodder. It's even moreso about giving people something to lose. Parents have less freed…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 10:08 PM
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I basically can't even think about romcoms anymore without getting mad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/26 08:02 PM
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100% spot on
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/26 07:16 PM
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I don't think a single, simple answer to this question is appropriate. My observations, which I could be wrong about. I'm a 43 year old guy, but I have two young adult sons. One of whom I talk with about social/political issues, and inquire about his social experiences in relation to them daily. And I've always put a lot of effort into keeping an eye on the discourse and vibe among different groups. Leftism/progressivism has been associated with youth in western culture for a long time, and I th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/26 07:13 PM
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I think I've witnessed this sort of conversation a total of 4 times in my life. Only once in adulthood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/26 02:32 PM
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Yeah, my ex (and my experiences with her are the reason I'm here) was undiagnosed BPD. Once you learn the criteria and start recognizing the patterns, it's hard not to see them in a lot more places such as this. But way too easy to turn that into pathologizing huge swathes of people. Women thinking and speaking like this guy's girlfriend seems to be pretty normal these days, and when you find yourself diagnosing everyone who exhibits a normal behavior as mentally ill, it's time to pause and re-e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 06:16 PM
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That erections are voluntary. I was shocked when I watched The Red Pill, and Cassie Jaye admitted that she only learned otherwise while making that documentary. Women give men so much shit for not knowing enough about how their bodies work. Yet huge numbers of women still believe that men can choose whether or not to have an erection, or that they're always associated with arousal. Or the myth of locker room talk. I'm surprised this one isn't on the slide show. It seems very widely believed amon…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 04:10 PM
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It's important to note that being one of the good ones does not magically exempt you from suddenly being on of the bad ones in her mind, ESPECIALLY if you two happen to break up. So when she says that type of shit, it is a warning, not venting. Glad to see someone else saying it. I think this is the most important thing for OP to understand. Maintaining "one of the good ones" status will be like fighting gravity the entire duration of the relationship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 04:31 PM
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I'm not going to bother trying to engage with the rest of your post. I'll focus on one thing I want you to consider. If she sees you as "One of the good ones", as an exception to what she believes is generally the rule, you will never be able to relax and be comfortable in this relationship. She will never fully see you as an individual person. That may sound counter-intuitive, because by seeing you as "one of the good ones", that means she sees you individually as apart from the group, right? Y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 04:25 PM
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I'm not very far into it, but I've already seen the need for regulation of online platforms called out several times. Of course, we know this means hard censorship of speech that violates feminist dogma. These people think violence is bad now. Wait until they start punishing half the population if they dare to talk about their life experiences. I'm sure young men will just accept it peacefully when they get banned from participation in today's primary avenues of communication and culture (essent…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 03:28 PM
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Thank them for giving you something to throw back in their faces whenever they say "Women aren't a monolith."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 06:09 PM
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Can't stand Galloway. He says absolutely nothing of value. About as intellectual as a piece of dry toast. He is the stereotype of an old out of touch person who sees younger people having problems and thinks "Oh my generation didn't have these problems, so all I have to do is teach them how to be like us. It couldn't possibly be that the world they're living in is different from the world when I was younger." The thing I notice most about Galloway is how much he reveals about other people via ho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 04:17 PM
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The credit card thing also cracks me up, because like... how old do these people think credit cards are? Every time this gets brought up, I imagine them describing Abraham Lincoln swiping his credit card at Starbucks. I've looked it up, and what I've read indicates credit cards had only become common consumer items a few years before 1974. To get a law passed within the span of a single presidential term shooting down any possibility that this new technology/economic structure might discriminate…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 12:26 PM
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The idea of surrendering to Russia (which is what you seem to be proposing) is not popular in Ukraine Then conscription shouldn't be necessary? Not popular with who? With women who don't have to do anything but express an opinion? I'm not proposing Ukraine surrender. I'm talking about the morality of conscription. If Ukraine cannot get people to fight, then that speaks for itself. That's not me proposing surrender. That's me observing that Ukraine's population has chosen surrender. If the Ukrain…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/26 02:53 PM
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Your previous post didn't read to me like "How do you stop world leaders from doing things that world leaders do." It read to me like "Provide an alternative means for Ukraine to win the war" on the presupposition that beating Russia is a higher moral duty than not conscripting. So my response was about how whether or not Ukraine wins the war is not relevant to whether or not conscription is evil. If what you're actually confronting me with is "How do you plan to alter the behavior of world lead…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/26 01:14 AM
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Ok. And? What's your definition of "Ukraine" here? The earth beneath Ukrainian men's feet isn't developing sentience and putting guns in their hands because it doesn't want to be stepped on by Russian men. You're invoking the word "Ukraine" as if you're not referring to a group of people. A group of people are kidnapping men, putting guns in their hands, and going "If you don't stop this, someone else is going to have the power to treat you like a pawn instead of us, and we can't have that. Go t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/26 11:14 PM
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It's easy to point out how Russia is the aggressor and Putin is the worst person in this situation. That does not constitute a defense of conscription. A draft is a slaver capturing a slave to kill for the slaver's priorities - period. If a man does not find it worth killing to prevent the Ukrainian government from being replaced by the Russian government, that is his choice. If a man would rather leave his land than fight for it, that is his choice. It is no one else's place to say "No, I find …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/26 05:05 PM
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And it's disturbing to see when women talk about fictional characters they relate or aspire to how often they mention Gone Girl...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/26 03:17 PM
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If I were ever drafted, I would feel a moral duty to turn whatever weapons I was given against the highest authority I could associated with the act of telling me to kill someone I had no prior intention of killing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 07:56 PM
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Even leaving the gender disparity aside, conscription is just pure evil. If a human being does not believe a cause is worth fighting for, it is evil to kidnap them and force them to kill others in service of a cause they don't believe in. That it is only done to men just adds a layer of discrimination on top of what is already evil. If a man does not love the Ukrainian government enough to fight for it, imagine how much they will hate that same government when the war is over, if they survive, h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 07:54 PM
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Well I'm here saying that I stayed for so long because I was afraid. She had done a lot of crazy things over the years. When she had an emotional outburst, she was all impulse and zero thought for what the consequences of her actions might be. She tried to stab me once, as I tried to wrestle a knife away form her as she was about to start cutting her wrist in front of me. I spent many years terrified of what would happen if neighbors called the police when she started screaming like a banshee. A…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 07:11 PM
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There comes a point where carrying on just feels like bickering, and I begin to feel immature for participating. But sure. I'll respond more explicitly to your points. As if you haven't ignored half of mine. I also lost a beloved pet the other day, and wasn't feeling the energy to put into this. This guy who's not allowed to express his emotions spent most of his Thursday crying together with his son. men speaking about their problems bothers me none Again, this is something men hear a lot, but …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 06:16 PM
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men speaking about their problems bothers me none. Sure. So long as they avoid talking about experiences that don't conform to your worldview.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 10:35 PM
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Looking at your post history on this sub, seeing men speak about their problems seems to make you really mad, and you're here in ideological opposition to it. You're telling us to do this work, but here we are doing that work and you're triggered by it. You are at this very moment acting as a very good example of how society opposes exactly what you're saying men need to do. I'm here using my own words to describe perspective that I've put a lot of thought into and I don't see repeated often by …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 07:52 PM
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I think the methods angle is a red herring. I don't think the actual difference is methods. I think the actual difference is that woman are more likely to use a suicide attempt as a cry for help, while men are more likely to be sincere in their attempts. Women's experience of community throughout their lives reinforces the sense that their lives have innate value. Communities rally to help women who are in trouble. I think women carry a deep understanding that when they express their pain, peopl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 05:04 PM
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I think in common parlance, "manosphere" is used casually to refer to any male-coded internet space or content intended for a male audience that doesn't address men through a feminist lens. Casual usage of the word when speaking tends to be very broad. But at the same time, the word is also sensationalized to build association with Andrew Tate-style figures, so that when someone listening hears the word, that's what they think of. And I think this is intentional to spread a generalized sense of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 02:21 PM
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That's not how people use the word manosphere, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 01:09 PM
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Imagine how feminists would respond if someone made a documentary entitled "Inside Feminism", and then exclusively profiled a handful of militant lesbian separatists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 08:11 PM
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It is basically the feminist equivalent of "The Jewish Question"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 07:51 PM
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Mary Koss is one of the most often cited anti-feminist talking points. So it's not hard to find examples of people bringing her up, often with this exact quote, to feminists and see their reaction. Their reaction is always to state that they don't personally agree with Mary Koss, to remind you that feminism is a diverse movement with many factions that disagree with each other, to question why you believe that Koss is even a feminist at all, to marginalize the influence and importance of Koss' p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 07:47 PM
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If you restrict what you consider bullying to purely physical, sure. But that's a narrow, simplistic view of the issue. I was bullied as a kid, fairly severely. Male classmates did the physical bullying, yeah. But girls participated in the social bullying as much as the boys did. They spread rumors and disapproval. That created the social permission for the physical bullying to take place, and the social stigma against anyone being nice to me. The male and female styles of bullying were not sepa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 07:29 PM
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I wasn't exactly trying to say "touch grass." I definitely can see why you'd think I was. I didn't think you were. I was just jumping off this specifically and I don't know why I'm here. to make a post about an opinion I've held for a long time. I think I pretty much agree with you, and it sounds like we have fairly similar thoughts about internet vs society. As you note, thoughts that most people these days just reduce to "social media and smartphones suck and have ruined everything".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:39 PM
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Having taken some art classes and spent some time in artistic communities, anyone who frames Frazetta that way as an example is someone who I cannot believe has ever done the same. First, his male characters are every bit as (in-context unrealistically) unclothed as his female characters. But more importantly, he's just showing off his art skill. I look at Frazetta and I'm astounded at his anatomy skill. His understanding of the layering of skeleton, muscle, and fat. He achieved a peak that seri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:12 PM
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That statistics such as the ones you linked from the WHO are useful for understanding reality? That men are more violent than women? That a gendered perspective on domestic violence can be justified by observing rates of serious injury? That men's suicide rates are the result of men not seeking mental health services, due to The Patriarchy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 05:43 PM
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Because despite what a lot of people say, Reddit is pretty well representative of the offline world, and here you can at least find pockets of breathable air to survive, like LWMA. I think people's "Internet isn't real life - just go touch grass and you'll find people aren't really like this" idea is just because people don't talk about the same things and carry more inhibition offline. If people felt the same boldness to say what they really think and had the same conversations about the same s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 03:18 PM
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I've noticed this a lot. People saying that the Duluth Model has fallen out of favor and is being used in less and less places..... but if you actually read the literature, it'll be a near direct copy of the Duluth Model. Plus the Duluth Model organization itself has taken to referring to itself by different names, such as CCR. Dawn Hughes, the expert witness who testified on behalf of Amber Heard and was at the time the president of the wing of the national psychology association focused on dom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 02:32 PM
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This is why Patriarchy Theory is a motte & bailey routine, and is inherently bioessentialism. Feminists will claim they don't hate men and don't see their criticisms of men as being something inherent to being born a man. They'll claim they're only being critical of the way that men are socialized to behave. But then in the very next breath, they'll claim that men are 100% responsible for creating the system that determines how men are socialized to behave, and that men have been most responsibl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 02:13 PM
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I do think there are some double standards in violence perception but I find it possible but unlikely that the (null hypothesis) real number is 50% and that police bias explains why one is 20% and the other is 80%. Are we comparing apples and oranges here because an act of violence causing severe injury is being equal to a minor slap in the face? Police tend to focus on acts that cause injury. As an isolated incident, an act of violence that causes serious injury is more serious than a slap in t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:51 PM
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*glances at link* Oh look... crime statistics. Because criminal justice treats male & female violence equally. /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 04:08 PM
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I've been saying this for years. Don't even have to look up focused research on it. The math is so obvious. Suicide is a leading cause of death for men, and being an abuse victim massively increases suicide risk... obviously. I strongly suspect that emotional abuse, parental alienation, and other such family/relationship issues are responsible for a large portion of male suicide. And I think toxic women often intentionally bully men into it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 04:07 PM
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"One of the good ones" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIDSwuW4XP4
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 02:13 PM
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I find it hard to believe these people who say "it's only online" actually go outside and interact with people offline.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/26 04:05 PM
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"You shouldn't worry about negative stereotypes because you're "one of the good ones". Just keep being "one of the good ones" and you're fine! It has nothing to do with you! You can't compare this to racism. It's nothing alike!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIDSwuW4XP4
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:19 PM
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Get back to me when I can say the same things about women. I have witnessed a ton of physical, sexual, and emotional violence perpetrated by women against men in my life. Watch what happens if I try to claim that men should be cautious around women, or deserve to carry generalized negative emotions towards them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:25 PM
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you don’t seriously fucking believe men are just as likely to be raped by women as women are to be raped by men right I seriously do. Women's behavior is not objectively judged the same as men's behavior. It's not just under-reporting. It's that women can do things that would be considered rape or sexual assault if they were men, but it goes completely unnoticed. Nobody, including the man being sexually assaulted or raped, internalizes it as those words. Like seriously Amy Schumer can give a spe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 09:53 PM
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I think it's also because of dominant cultural narrative focusing on and hyperbolizing female victimhood. This causes men to feel like they're being insensitive to women if they use the same words (perceived as words belonging to women's issues) to describe something that's happened to them. Many times I have seen men, when sharing their experience of having been raped, say things along the lines of "I would never claim that my experience was nearly as bad as what women go through, but...". I ha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 09:28 PM
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In the USA, women lack abortion access. That's it. That's the only situation I can think of where the law fails women on a gendered basis. And even in that case, men have it worse, because while women may lack one reproductive right, men lack any reproductive rights whatsoever. We get to choose to wear a condom or not. That's it. That is men's only reproductive right in the USA. And that is not an exaggeration. It's so bad that a man in the USA can be raped by a woman, and if she gets pregnant a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 03:49 PM
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If society needs our labor, then it will have to care when the prevalence of social bullying pushes men to stop participating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 06:48 AM
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Yeah, it's the most obvious thing in the world. Everybody has eyes and ears. But we're all bullied into pretending we don't. I'm 43, and it's the most "The emperor has no clothes" situation I've ever witnessed in my life. I wouldn't even say that online misogyny is more severe than online misandry, considering the absolute worst misogyny just calls for women to be stripped of rights and subservient, while the far more common worst misandry openly advocates for men to be castrated, jailed, and mu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 06:23 AM
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Cue the clip of Keeley from Ted Lasso masturbating to video of her boyfriend crying, because he's just suffered a tragic life event.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 05:25 PM
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I've thought about this fairly often over the last few years. Music seems to be the one place where there is actually ton of men describing being abused by women, and has been for a long time. Male songwriting focuses really often on trauma from toxic partners in relationships. But we don't get the same in any other form of media. And I think it's because music is kinda different from other media in that people don't really think about it. Most people really don't seem to think very much about m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 06:07 AM
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I think the public loss of respect for philosophy in the neoliberal era was the beginning of the end for the USA and perhaps the modern western world. Much like you, I started out as a computer science major, but took a bunch of philosophy classes just because I wanted to. Much of it should be baked into earlier education. But the upper class has worked very hard since the 50's to convince people that the only purpose of education is to become employable, and philosophy is nothing but ivory towe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 02:42 AM
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Yup. Put another way: If a woman who reports being abused is taken at face value as evidence of a male perpetrator/female victim. But a man reporting being abused is assumed to be a man engaging in DARVO, also evidence of male perpetrator/female abuser. Then in both situations they might be correct. The man really could be engaging in DARVO. But if he's not, and in either situation the female is really the perpetrator and the man is really the victim, they will never be capable of knowing that. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 09:49 PM
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What feminism did to the left over the last 15 years basically killed my ability to feel kinship with humanity or hope for the future of society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 05:46 PM
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The same people who blame suicide on men not talking about their feelings will bully them into silence if they talk about anything other than how they're not allowed to talk about their feelings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:27 PM
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the man deserves to know all of this at the earliest possible moment and be given enough information to give proper informed consent. Paternity really needs to be framed in terms of consent. If nothing else, just because that's the language that people understand and respect these days. If a child is biologically yours, and you willingly participated in the creation of that child, then you have a responsibility to them. That child did not get a say in the decisions that brought them into existen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 11:57 PM
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Going to repost my response to a similar question previously on this sub. Here is the platform I would put together if I were trying to genuinely serve men and gender equality, and win men's vote. I'd launch an initiative to research and recognize male victims of sexual & domestic abuse, dispel the myths surrounding it, and revise law enforcement and social support organization's protocols to be gender neutral. Legally enforce gender neutrality in custody and child support decisions in family co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 03:06 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1t89ny2/comment/ol2iitk/?context=3 100% Yes. Here's a short version of the story as to why I'm on this sub. Feminists in positions of influence with Jameela's type of worldview destroyed decades of my life and nearly killed my son.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 08:02 PM
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Arbitrary categorization and simplification of the issue of violence, well-tailored to make it only about gender when it happens to women. Are you really going to deny that women often push men to fight battles for them, or push men to chase money and status for them to the point of being reckless or unethical? I have personally been in the situation where a girlfriend has started fights, because she assumed that I would take over and conduct the fight for her when it got physical. Brazil is a n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 05:33 PM
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No, I was asking for you to quote anyone in this thread denying that there are plenty of rapists and female rape victims in the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 05:13 PM
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EU data is solid and so is Brazilian data. You'll have to link something if you want to convince anyone of anything. If not you can count on the news the number of bodies here. I assume you're referring to femicide here? So... do you also count the number of male bodies? Now if it's guys like Tate or trump, that specifically have built their platforms into politics and incentivize suffering and aggression, then I don't mind. If you were complaining about JK rolling for example, she is putting fo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 05:11 PM
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Because there are in fact a lot of rapist's out, and women do get raped a lot. We have plenty evidence of that, that for some reason here is a challenged fact, in this left wing space. Quote please
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 04:55 PM
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My experience is based of also in data. The data is politicized to hell and back. I can't say that whatever data you're thinking of is biased. But most of it is. The most influential academic on the subject of sexual violence in history has publicly admitted multiple times that she is opposed to research recognizing men as rape victims. Data based on the justice system is wildly unreliable for what should be obvious reasons. And we could support men in situations where they can't get out of it d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 04:45 PM
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I'm 43, and I can think of two cases in my entire life. Both in my mid-teens. I saw a couple guys annoying a cheerleader once in the school lobby. One of them was grabbing the edges of her skirt with his fingertips and flipping it up slightly, and they were both laughing about it. Not groping her. Not fully grabbing her skirt and exposing her. Just teasing it, and she appeared only slightly annoyed. And if I remember right, she was in a relationship with one of them at the time. Doesn't excuse t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 04:28 PM
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Women don't hate men. We LOVE gay men. They're just so insanely tone deaf. Always. It's incredible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 04:00 PM
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I've taken to using the terms social violence or social terrorism. And they're serious. One of the things my ex would do is intentionally wait until I fell asleep to start arguments. Essentially punishing me with sleep deprivation for displeasing her, under the thin guise of just wanting to work through something. I think there were over a thousand nights where I pretended to fall asleep to draw it out, because I knew she was waiting. Of course, she was a stay at home mom most of the time we wer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 09:42 PM
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I relate to much of your story. I found my way to LWMA similarly. I've always been quite radically left, and considered myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-30's. Was in an abusive relationship with a woman from 17 - 37. I bought into feminist rhetoric that cast me as a man being abused as an extremely rare outlier. I think it was more humanist motivated than feminist/male savior, though I can't say 100% so, but I enabled her abusive behaviors. She had suffered a ton of childhood trauma, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 09:34 PM
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Contrast with de Beauvoir who absolutely did advocate for child sex. This is the stuff I was hoping people would jump in and post about, because it's not surface level information that shows up at a glance when you look up most major feminist figures. But I've seen factoids like this posted on this sub a bunch. Seem to recall somebody posting recently about how bell hooks exhibited some predatory relationship behavior, too. There was another one, can't remember which, who wrote extensive sexual …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 08:52 AM
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You're fine. I got a little frustrated, but you were respectful and good faith. That's what matters to me. In a sense, we're both concerned with the same thing at the same time: challenging common assumptions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 08:56 PM
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Dude, yes, the number of people who call themselves feminists, yet still push the idea that if a man has trouble getting women "there must be something wrong with him". Literally assigning moral value to men on the basis of their sexual success.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 08:24 PM
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They love him, because he validates their moral panic. I think Andrew Tate is their favorite person in the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 08:04 PM
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https://soundcloud.com/889-wers/male-rape In this radio interview, they interview a man who was drugged, tied to a chair while unconscious, and woke to find a woman riding him. This man describes how that experience severely traumatized him, and he has struggled with alcoholism and suicidal thoughts ever since. They also interview Mary Koss, who tells the interviewers that the reason men should not be considered rape victims is because the trauma they experience is not comparable to women's, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 08:02 PM
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Going to add my edit down here, since you were probably writing your response as I made it, and might not see it otherwise Edit: Further clarification: this isn't an obsession. If I were getting into a relationship, body count wouldn't be an obsessive thought at the front of my mind. It might not even be a question I ever bother to ask. But if I were to learn that she'd had a history of many partners, it would cause anxiety, and it would motivate me to review my experience with her more carefull…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 07:29 PM
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My first exposure to Hasan was in a debate over a case where a man slapped his wife, after his wife had been screaming and throwing things at him for several minutes. When asked what he should have done instead, Hasan's response was he should have "rolled up into a ball". Seriously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 06:55 PM
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By attributing her cruelty to her experience level, you're creating a causal link that might not actually exist. That's not what I'm doing, though. I'm not disagreeing with most of what you're saying. I already said in my previous post that I didn't blame her behavior on her history. I'm not obsessed with penis size. I don't have a competitive attitude. I don't care about being "less than" other partners. Just like physical attractiveness - I don't have to be hotter than every male model on the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 06:31 PM
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One of the best ways to address sexual insecurity is to just have more sexual experiences. If you end up with a partner that has lots of sexual experience, then they can also guide you to what works for them, and help you understand what you should look for with other partners. Yes, this can happen. They can also be the origination of or worsen your insecurity. Both things can happen. I'll be blunt. I have sexual experience with only one person. She had sexual experience with many people before …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 04:56 PM
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Speaking only for myself. I care roughly equally for men and women, and it depends on context. For one person it may be a responsibly led lifestyle. For another, it may be evidence of recklessness and instability in relationships. In my personal life experience, I've come to associate it with emotional instability and mental illness. I am conceptually amenable to polyamory and promiscuity. I actually think strict ideological monogamy is fucked up, because I don't think you can both love someone …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 03:00 PM
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Sadly the left viciously exiles and attempts to deplatform anyone among them who offers the slightest legitimacy to any men's issue other then "the patriarchy doesn't allow you to talk about your feelings", so survivorship bias leaves tradcon grifters like Pearl as the majority of high profile public figures as candidates to debate, and the remainder are mostly not of a style who would do a debate like this. But I'll throw out The Dadvocate, or George of The Tinmen. Either of them would make Ana…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 12:28 AM
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The top comment was about sending all men to prison until “they prove themselves.” I started seeing this talking point a few years ago, and it just keeps getting more common.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 11:58 PM
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You respond by telling them it's literally nazi propaganda. Der Giftpilz. They are talking about men the exact same way that nazis talked about jews. They're just replacing mushrooms with snakes in the metaphor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/26 10:07 PM
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To call it failing would imply that they tried. I think they've succeeded at exactly their intentions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/26 07:12 PM
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White feather movement? Hello? Do we just forget that women have always shamed men into giving their lives up? So much so that at one point they would go up to men and publicly brand them cowards? Basically destroying the man’s social life. Making them pick between a literal and figurative death. And in the modern day, we have the "Men used to go to war, now they ____" meme being blasted all over the internet exclusively by women every day. Like we're supposed to just pretend we don't see this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 02:24 PM
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It also needs to be called out as a blatant lie. Monumentally flagrant dishonesty. As if women don't vote. As if female politicians haven't supported the draft. As if female leaders haven't started wars. The fact that they're still saying this when Chrissy Houlahan, a DEMOCRAT female congresswoman *who received funding from feminist organizations*, is the one responsible for writing in automatic selective service registration as an NDAA rider THIS YEAR speaks volumes to their intellectual dishon…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 02:19 PM
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You don't need to do that. You just need to call out their bad faith tactics, while very visibly not using them yourself. That's a much stronger win.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 12:11 PM
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Read the Duluth Model's own website. It's self-damning. I've had arguments with a bunch of feminists about the Duluth Model, and not a single time have they ever had a response for me when I start quoting the Duluth Model's own website. It speaks plainly about its philosophy, its policy positions, what governmental and social organizations it interacts with, and how far its influence has spread internationally. They have a youtube channel, too, which is even better because it's more candid. They…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 02:56 AM
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Agreed. But winning a competition of ideas without integrity turns into a perfect example of winning the battle but losing the war. You may stump your opponents and win the lower common denominator in the audience. But good, smart people in the audience will see through it and turn you into an example of why your position can't be trusted later. Look at how influential all those mid-2010's "Feminist DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC" videos were 10-15 years ago, compared to how they're regarded now…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 11:07 PM
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Yeah, challenging the stats on domestic and sexual violence is going to be key. One of the most common tactics they use is referencing justice system data, and that's where you need to nail them hard on how such data doesn't account for biases in the law and in protocol and culture among police and courts. Or how even how biases in broader culture influence how the justice system interacts with the issue, for example bystanders being more likely to call the police on a women appearing to be abus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 09:49 PM
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I haven't watched much of Shapiro. But what I have seen of him, I don't just dislike because of his political beliefs, I think his style of engagement is really shallow and makes him look like an asshole. He is the ultimate bad faith debater - he doesn't win by doing a great job of making his case or disproving his opponents case. He wins by making himself impossible to have a conversation with. He is actually the perfect example of fascist style argumentation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 08:59 PM
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Ask them to quote Bell Hooks. Ask them to explain why "Bell Hooks exists" is a legitimate argument? I have never, not once, seen a feminist actually explain why Bell Hooks matters. They just go "Bell Hooks exists. Read Bell Hooks!" and expect merely the unevidenced suggestion that a single feminist writer exists who supposedly argued for empathy for men nullifies the observed behavior of every other feminist. Make them actually talk about it. It will go one of three ways: They don't know shit ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 07:55 PM
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I'll try to expand on this as I'm able, but I'm going on a trip in a couple days and won't have much time for about the next week. But here's a serious suggestion: Let them talk. They will hang themselves. I guarantee it. They will attempt an attack attack attack approach. They will try to put you on the defensive and keep you there, with a presupposition of moral superiority. Don't defend yourself. Respond to their attacks with neutral, non-aggressive questions. Ask them to expand on their beli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 07:39 PM
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Yes, I can tell you from personal experience that fear of bias is what kept me from seeking assistance or divorce from my abusive ex for many years. It was absolutely not fear of looking weak or being emasculated. I have never cared about such things. But my personal experiences with authorities and support resources taught me to view them with suspicion. To believe that chances would be low that they'd be on my side, and would more likely to look for ways to reinterpret me as the problem than t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 07:16 PM
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Point this out and you'll get met with the "that's not real feminism!" mantra. Yeah, and then I fire back that every other movement or group of people on the planet gets judged more harshly by the words and behaviors of its leadership figures and adherents. Elliot Rogers is one person. I challenge these people to name a single other example of violence that can be directly attributed to incel ideology, without having to look it up. Yet the spirit of Elliot Rogers is what is being invoked 90% of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 04:59 PM
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Funny thing is George said absolutely nothing making it about women. All he did was challenge the idea of male privilege, and this other person comes along and goes "WAY TO MAKE IT ABOUT WOMEN". Deranged thinking. It's also bioessentialist in the sense that they're appealing to patriarchy theory - that basically anything negative that happens in society is because of society being controlled by men. Which I know isn't what patriarchy theory is supposed to mean according to any academic definitio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 04:21 PM
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I was wondering when this was going to make its way here. Been watching the discourse explode around Pragmata since the day it released. It's deranged. And at this point I see Hasan as one of the most disgusting people on the planet. He strikes me as a genuine sociopath.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 01:53 PM
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The best you'll ever see is "Well I don't necessarily agree with their conclusions or the way they're expressing themselves, but I understand their need to vent their anger after the experiences men have put them through, so it's probably best just not to take their words very seriously and give them space to work on their issues." You will see something along those lines once in a while, usually when a woman is hitting the absolute ceiling on how much hate it is possible for language to express…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 08:50 PM
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They really aren't capable of anything more than "Nuh uh" :D I'll never understand. What is the motivation for even bothering to engage if you're not going to put in any effort. Just showing up to disagree with people and have nothing more to say than "Nuh uh" accomplishes nothing but making you and your cause both look stupid. You know what... I'm calling it right now. 70% odds that by tomorrow, they'll have deleted all of their posts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 11:36 PM
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Quoting for preservation. aka you spent time online and now want to pretend thats real. Its not, half of reddit is fake nonsense. The worst part is you dont even realize that. You are so condescending and insulting it's insane. What gives you license to just make wild assumptions about the lives of other people and still posture like you're the adult in the room. Jesus christ. It was absolutely not just online. This was around the height of MeToo, and around that time, people I knew in real life…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 11:17 PM
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I considered myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-thirties, when I simply thought of it as an equality movement for women, believed the rhetoric and stats surrounding sexual & domestic violence, and thought of my own case (as described on the other comment thread) as a rare outlier. For most of my life, I took these things for granted, and didn't look at them too critically. I realized that feminism is a hate cult because I noticed around the time I was trying to leave that abusive situati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 07:16 PM
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I don't know what the purpose of your first link is. I'm guessing it's appeal to authority regarding domestic violence statistics to reinforce your claim that women make up 80% of domestic violence victims. The stats are junk. Your argument regarding the stats is circular. You call my argument anecdotes. But my anecdotes specifically demonstrate a prevalence of public opinion and law enforcement policy/culture that would obviously have an impact on the statistics you reference. Imagine we're fig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 06:17 PM
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Men talking about their issues = icky. Men talking about their issues = unable to get sex from women. Yeah. You just hate men. And you're regressive about it, too. Reinforcing toxic masculinity by using incel (inability to get sex from women) as an insult. You don't even believe in feminism. If you did, you wouldn't reinforce toxic masculinity. It's just a convenient label for you to latch on to so you can hate a group of people based on how they were born, and still pose as the good guy. If you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 09:27 PM
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Almost lost my son's life to institutional misandry. The most generous assumption I can make is that you have simply never felt any curiosity about men's lived experiences.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 07:42 PM
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If being left wing means being ok with discrimination against people for the way they were born, and appropriation of nazi propaganda to justify that discrimination, then I guess I'm not left wing. Values take priority over labels for me, so call it whatever you want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 07:35 PM
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Because it gives a strong impression of bad faith when you show up just to repeat a very mainstream milquetoast opinion about the subject, without acknowledging a single thing that anyone, much less the post you're commenting on, has said about the subject. It communicates that you are not, in fact, interested in knowing more. If you were, you would give some indication that you read anything other than the post title, and substantively address your disagreements with the information provided.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 07:30 PM
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I see that you're from Europe, so maybe it's different in your country. But in the USA, many states have or have had mandatory arrest laws that exclusively target men. I first learned about it when it happened to someone I knew, around the mid-2000's. His girlfriend threw a temper tantrum during an argument and started trashing their place, breaking things and posing a danger to herself. Neighbors called the police. He had left light bruising on her wrist while trying to restrain her, and they a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 05:19 PM
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I've seen several men speak about their experiences with rape, where their fear of harming the woman if they physically resisted too strongly was a factor. And I've seen countless stories from men of facing legal and social consequences for physically defending themselves against a woman, for leaving anything so much as a light bruise on her, even after she had wounded the man with a weapon. If anything, strength disparity contributes to men's victimization. The taboo against actually using that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 03:26 PM
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I honestly think they're just drunk with power. They know they have privilege, and they're flaunting it. It seems to me like there's a whole cultural industry marketed to women anymore that centers itself on getting high on the thrill of doing double-standard shots and throwing their arms up and crying "Woooo!" at open displays of hypocrisy as the buzz kicks in, while maintaining a pre-emptive crybullying posture with an arsenal of empowered victim buzzphrases that warns anyone off of daring to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 02:00 PM
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I'm sorry for being tired of being essentialized as evil for the way I was born, and thus motivated to debunk misrepresentation of data which reinforces that essentialization. I should be less selfish and focus my thoughts exclusively on the safety of women, even if doing so involves catching strays for things I've never done.A Edit: I really gotta work on my habit of quoting the people I reply to, so cowards can't run from their own words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 08:01 PM
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It's difficult to break down vibes like this, but I'll try. I have an autistic brother, so I understand. I remember the days when he was little and didn't understand how smiling works. Your first response to them wasn't bad. But this Umm… Has a major effect on the tone with which everything after it is read. Imagine you're having a conversation with someone in public and a random person you don't know walks up with an unnerved facial expression, one hand on their hip, and the other hand wagging …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 05:51 PM
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Sorry it took me a bit to get around to reading your link. The person you were engaging with there definitely dropped a few of the typical bad faith feminist stock phrases. But some constructive criticism for you: Before you showed up to that thread, the two people before you hadn't really said anything too terrible yet. You showed up with a really high level of hostility before anyone had a chance to respond to you, and attacked them for a lot of typical feminist ideas that they hadn't really s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 04:01 PM
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There's zero acknowledgment in gender discourse that different cultures exist, and the lack of self-awareness can be astounding. To see a forum of tens of thousands of women who will say these things about "men are taught", while simultaneously all sharing with each other about how they're trying to raise their boys differently, and how their perspective was shaped by college humanities courses that millions of people pass through.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 02:07 PM
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My son's in his first semester of college right now. He says roughly 2/3 of every class he's in is women. He's taking intro philosophy, english, and anthropology classes right now, and they've all pushed feminist ideology and talked about women's suffering. In anthropology, they had a class session dedicated to discussing the Mosuo people of China, a matriarchal society where women are far, far more dominant over men than men were over women 100 years ago in the USA. None of the male students sp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 08:27 PM
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I understand that. But you've also acknowledged that a focus on equity has similar pitfalls. The second part of your last paragraph is only a concern in a society that doesn't recognize that equity doesn't mean that we assign more need to groups wholesale, which is why equity currently fails most often the societies best implementing suffer a feminist bias and thus end up leaving men behind and justifying giving women undo advantages and calling it either equity or equality but being neither. It…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 01:39 PM
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I'm totally lost.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 01:18 PM
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"equal opportunity, equal treatment by the law, equal standards of behavior, and equal consequences for violating those standards of behavior". In places with that kind of system, the disabled would still be left out or left behind because our specific needs would be considered making things unequal to the non-disabled. I'm not following, and I think we're talking past each other here. I think it would be best if you provided an example to check. As I tried to clarify in my last paragraph, I'm n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 06:34 AM
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I don't really see how different people having different needs should have an impact on ethical standards of behavior. For example: If a specific behavior is considered rape when one person does it, it's considered rape when anyone does it. If one person faces a specific consequence for committing rape, everyone faces that consequence for committing rape (accounting for equal context). By equal opportunity, I just mean no one is artificially prevented from achieving something that they are capab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 02:27 AM
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There are two values that I personally consider to be leftist values at play here: One person's rights end where another's begins. In other words, there is no natural basis by which anyone has the right to tell anyone else how to think, feel, dress, speak, carry themselves, or navigate their lives. Every person should be free to live and be however they choose, so long as it is not materially harming or restricting anyone else. Equality. Society should grant all people to the best of its ability…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 06:26 PM
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If you want a chance of anyone of any importance taking you at all seriously, you need to stoop calling it the "draft". Call it what it is: Selective Service Can you explain the difference? What are you even doing here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 09:46 AM
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I'd never heard of her. Damn, it looks like she's still alive at 90 years old. Found a video of the debate mentioned on her Wikipedia page with Alice Schwarzer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6OWA80zUkk I also think, just from the synopsis, that Vilar only describes a certain type of woman. I would go further and say that most women aren't like that. But as others have also said, I think that they are common enough, and their presence has enough of a voice among the culture of women (just look…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 05:21 PM
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"We've made disagreeing with us illegal, but we're still oppressed!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 03:46 AM
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I don't see the quote as having anything to do with censorship. It's just an observation of a behavior that goes beyond mere bad faith. Bad faith suffices to describe bad framing and dodginess and attempts at lies that the speaker hopes won't be noticed, and then there's making an open mockery of conversation itself. Saying things that are blatantly ridiculous with a sneer, which they know will be immediately recognizable as ridiculous, and dancing neener neener circles around any attempt to act…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 03:43 AM
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Here's some of the quotes you'll find if you just search comments containing "LWMA" on AskFeminists. The first is by a certain prolific mod of the sub. As you browse here, I invite you to make up your own mind as to whether these characterizations of us are fair. Or whether it's rhetorically consistent for them to claim that Feminism just means being pro-gender equality, and then to describe us as anti-Feminist. Either they are lying about their definition, or they are calling us anti-gender equ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 10:50 PM
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I've done this a few times as well, and posted the results on this sub a couple times. It's really interesting watching it play out this obvious internal struggle between competing imperatives -- it wants to repeat and reinforce what talking points are most widely accepted and culturally dominant, but it also wants to acknowledge the logical conclusions of objective observations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 09:36 PM
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Goddamn. The Wikipedia page is horrendous. Ugh.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 09:29 PM
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It's a big umbrella term that lumps together any person or content that speaks directly to men as an audience with any manner of message that contains any friction with feminist dogma. I think this definition is pretty consistent with the way the term is used. Of course, such people and content exist. So the manosphere exists in that sense. The people who use the term will never agree to offer an honest, concrete definition of it, because doing so would undermine the game they're playing. And th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 09:25 PM
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(Edit: Split the post into two because I noticed some issues with the quotes that weren't visible to me when I made the initial post, and it wouldn't allow me to fix it without splitting the post up. A little backstory about me personally, as it relates directly to you bringing AskFeminists into this. Feel free to ask whatever questions you'd like. I considered myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-thirties. If I spoke on gender politics, I would have often sounded like your average AskFemi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 09:01 PM
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I've taken to simply telling these people directly to their faces that they are vile, disgusting bigots. No games. No debate. They're just morally reprehensible people, end of discussion. I'm not one of those people who says you shouldn't engage with people over ideological differences. But there comes a point where they very obviously know what they're doing, and the rhetorical games are very obviously designed to make a mockery of the very idea of productive discussion. And this is an example …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 07:39 PM
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Feminists almost universally claim that feminism is just a movement for gender equality, and that if you want gender equality, you are a feminist whether you want to call yourself one or not. This sub, LWMA, promotes gender equality, and puts the majority of its energy into commenting on instances of gender inequality. Given that context, I think feminists who proclaim that LWMA is not feminist are a good example of what gatekeeping within a movement looks like. And if you go ahead and take a lo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 05:15 PM
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Find some stories of men being raped by women. They're not hard to find. Link to a bunch of them. And ask her "Why didn't anyone teach these girls not to rape?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 03:57 PM
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There's no gatekeeper. Yeah, no one can stop someone from adopting a label like feminism. But there is still gatekeeping in the sense that you can meaningfully observe who is or isn't rejected by the leadership or general population of a movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 03:49 PM
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I'm from the USA, and have spent about 3 weeks in Japan. There's a lot to say about how different the culture feels there. And among many things that I noticed is women's attitudes towards men and male sexuality feel completely different. It's one of those things that's difficult to prove isn't just in my head. It's just a vibe. Women seem more at ease around men. They seem less aggressive and entitled. Less fearful and suspicious. I can't prove or quantify it. It's body language, facial express…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 03:45 PM
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I agree with you, and my comment was meant to be supportive, specifically because I know there are people around who disagree. I'm only critiquing that the wheel doesn't communicate this. It only shows a list of bad things people can do in a relationship. I'm sure you understand that most people who have never been close to an abusive person almost universally just... don't get it. It really seems to be a sort of thing that one most witness first-hand to understand. People working related career…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 04:45 PM
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I've gotten in some arguments around here over this. Abuse is about a pattern of control, and people simply being mean to each other is not abuse. I think "mutual abuse" is a bad use of language probably most of the time. If two people are having conflict on equal terms, it's not abuse. Someone being abused and acting in self-defense should not be described as mutual or reactive abuse - it shouldn't have the word abuse attached to it at all. It is simply self-defense, and should not be described…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 03:00 PM
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Dead serious. My reaction to being conscripted would be to shoot the first person to hand me a gun and tell me to shoot someone else. Forcing someone to kill for someone else's priorities is one of the most morally repugnant things imaginable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 02:19 PM
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Just did a little searching, and can't find any instances of feminists acknowledging the abuse allegations. But I easily found dozens of them talking about how awesome she is, and how great it would be if she ran for president. I'm pretty sure I remember doing a deeper dive on that case when I heard about it for the first time months ago, and found feminists casting doubt on the allegations and trying to flip the script on it in the usual fashion. Can you find anything besides the news story?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 09:17 PM
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I don't expect them to actively talk about it, or champion male victims as a cause. But my consistent experience is that when any specific case of a male victim of a female perpetrator does come up in public discourse, they always marginalize or cast suspicion on the case, and basically do anything possible to avoid directly acknowledging the female perpetrator as such. I'm just wondering if any examples can be found of them not doing that. There's a difference between not talking about somethin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 09:09 PM
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They're obviously not wrong in that they're pointing out a real phenomenon (which I did acknowledge). They're just going a really weird, undeserved, and kinda insensitive direction with it, not claiming but seeming to imply that it doesn't go both ways because we need to be reminded that women experience this thing that we obviously don't get.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 04:41 PM
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I feel like this is disrespectful to all the feminist who have really went through shit had their friends like assaulted, raped, etc And I’ve had experiences of males, not listening to them. Part of what radicalizes a lot of feminists against male movements is because a lot of men can self-admittedly be arrogant and not listen to women even I’ve had the experience with more “” macho men” You've hung around here long enough to see that this goes both ways, right? That feminists are every bit as g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:50 PM
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A good example of what I've said about patriarchy theory for a while now. That the natural conclusion to patriarchy theory is that if men carry an essentialized inclination to harm and oppress women, then men's equality is a threat to women. Men being equal means women are in danger. So men must be oppressed to protect women. It's telling that he appeals to concepts of patriarchal privilege and oppression multiple times in his paper as a source of justification, and treats this description of hi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:42 PM
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The thing that most strongly motivated me to cut myself off from feminist spaces, is when I noticed that their style of argumentation felt exactly like arguing with my BPD ex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 03:15 PM
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at most, what’s being discussed is tracking or registration in case conscription is ever reintroduced That is how I read it initially, and it's still obscene to me. What you're saying is basically "The story is misleading. They're not doing the thing it leads you to believe they're doing. They're only establishing the infrastructure to do that thing."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 12:15 PM
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This is absolutely disgusting. Truly treating men like property of the state. It's honestly a shocking low.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 11:32 PM
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You: before y’all will lift a single finger to take any accountability and actually do the work to change things among yourselves The post you are responding to: I've had many many debates with a lot of people about policing. It's one of my pet issues that I've been very vocal about online for over 20 years. But whatever. You're plainly a fascist. You essentialize men as a monolith the same way nazis do to jews. You're going to consider alternative perspectives about as well as they do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 05:45 PM
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It might also be true that your calibration is set by the norm, and as such you're unable to recognize that the norm is fucked up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 04:12 PM
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I think it's a fair anxiety to have. But I'm not sure how to handle it, honestly. Because the issues I care most about are for the most part directly caused by feminism. I think it's fine for a movement to be a reaction to something. One could even argue that it's impossible for a movement not to be a reaction to something. What movement isn't about wanting something to change? Does that not make it a reaction to that need for change? Like a movement for nuclear disarmament is a reaction to the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 04:08 PM
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I've had many many debates with a lot of people about policing. It's one of my pet issues that I've been very vocal about online for over 20 years. I think women cheer for police brutality about as much as men do. Just because it's not by their hands doesn't really mean much. I'm also having trouble quickly finding a source on it and don't want to put a bunch of time into a deep dive, but I'm pretty sure women's well established greater fear of crime coincides with them typically being some of t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 09:19 PM
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We put them in a “bad guy” category in our head. But those victims are recipients of inappropriate displays of force which goes above and beyond what is appropriate for the situation. "Arrested for resisting arrest"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 05:29 PM
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It's rough. Because yeah, I strive really hard to be a positive humanist in all aspects of my life. To interpret human behaviors as understandable via factors other than simply being innately shit. I find the idea that a person can just be born innately terrible is damaging to all aspects of life. It just poisons the soul. And I also struggle with this one. It really does seem to function similarly to fascist cults. The leadership knows what they're doing, and it's easy to condemn them as doing …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 07:55 PM
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I have been through experiences that in the current zeitgeist many would consider rape or sexual assault. In some instances, I would agree, and in others I wouldn't. Rape and sexual assault are concepts that have been rapidly expanding in the past 20 or 30 years. So I'm inclined to assume that part of what you're seeing is that maybe some men are disagreeing with your definition. In those cases where I would agree that I have been raped or sexually assaulted, they are honestly not experiences th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 07:21 PM
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If I die standing up to evil, I'd like that to be recognized as brave and heroic. Someone can be both heroic and a victim. I think the solution is to recognize both things in both cases. Not to remove the heroic part in the male case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 01:12 PM
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I've only seen countless examples of women screaming at and hitting men in public and facing zero consequences, but the guy facing consequences the moment he reacts in any defensive fashion. I'd say being able to just get away with abusive behavior most of the time is a heck of a privilege. I could write a mega-post on this, but I think that's self-evident and sufficient enough.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 04:39 AM
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*glances at post history* Wow, going onto the LouisTheroux subreddit to make like a dozen posts about how you think the guy who made the latest piece of moral panic media about the manosphere is a misogynist. That's a new one. Posting about creepy old men at bars. I'm going to take a wild guess that the only thing a person has to do for you to consider them not hating men is to not openly advocate for mass violence against them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 04:32 AM
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If we truly want boys to turn into men with just values and common decency, we will not get there by alienating an entire gender. In fact doing so will lead to the opposites and push boys and young men further into misogynistic ideologies as they no longer feel represented by the left who actively despises them. Even aside from that, we've had studies since at least the 90's showing that the more you expose racial minority children to racist stereotypes, the more the likelihood increases that th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 04:15 AM
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Is there a quota of "Trump is a fascist, and that is a bad thing" posts we need to make to be able to talk about other things? Are we able to talk about other things, or is that always a failure to focus on what's important? Do you really believe it's so important and productive to regularly repeat things that are already well established and agreed upon? If I typed out "Trump is a fascist, and that is a bad thing" 200 times in this post, would that please you? Is there like a progress bar that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/26 06:28 PM
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AOC's schtick last year about the whole 'short king' was insanely pathetic and is just loading the gun for conservatives and manosphere types to capitalize on this by showing more young men, "See they hate you if you're not 6'2'," or some bullshit along those lines. What gets me is how gender politics have been front and center to politics as a whole for like 10 years now. Just about everyone seems to structure their identity and presentation these days to some extent around their stances on gen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/26 06:36 AM
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I agree regarding OP. And I don't think it's an issue in this community generally. But I think it is a majority of the "hold boys accountable" crowd. And outside of this community, I see a lot of reaction to that crowd not calling for equal, but equal opposite. Like "They're bloodthirsty, so we get to be too". I think expressions of bloodthirst out of resentment and spite on this subject are the norm outside this community. Like here's an example quote from the comments in the link OP references…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 03:55 PM
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Is your disagreement with the idea that society currently has a problem with people being unreasonably bloodthirsty for punishment, which seems to come more from a desire to see someone harmed than from a desire to accomplish anything constructive? Or with the idea that this is a bad thing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 03:33 PM
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You mention Scott Galloway, and I immediately groan. I don't even want to follow your link, because I find that guy completely insufferable and don't want to give attention to anything he's associated with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 01:38 PM
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I think what they're saying is many of the people who throw around the word accountability these days are just out for the blood of acceptable targets.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 01:36 PM
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As a man if you try and talk to your mate about your problems he calls you a pussy and gets you a beer. The vast majority of men are not these cartoon caricature sports orcs that you make them out to be. You are just a bigot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 01:25 PM
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First, it's a comparison of principle. "X group has to answer for it when one person associated with the group does a bad thing, but Y group doesn't have to answer for it when a person associated with the group does a bad thing." What exactly the bad thing was doesn't impact the principle at play, and your attempt to frame it as such is a classic bad faith tactic. But also, Ellen Pence damn near killed my son, and if that had happened, I very well may have gone with him. It's her impact on domes…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 01:22 PM
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I don't think it can be attributed to one thing. In the USA, we only have two parties and they are mostly the same on everything except culture war, which they turn into as much of a circus as possible to keep people focused on it instead of economy, authoritarianism, environment, or endless wars for profit. But Christian theocrats can legitimately make the culture war very difficult to ignore, because they're very aggressive about trying to control how people are allowed to live their private l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 02:32 PM
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This is an odd topic for me. The discussion here is also a lot, and I don't think I'm going to read it all. So I'm not sure I'm clear on what I should be commenting on, but I'll go ahead and say some stuff and hope it's interesting. So ok... analytical/descriptive frameworks meeting reality and informing movements. Here's a thing about me. I've actually read very little "theory" in my life. Like I took several philosophy courses in college (+ psychology and anthropology), spent a lot of time in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 02:26 PM
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Then lets make everybody an equal stakeholder in the consequences of the draft so that everyone is equally motivated to end it. It seems like you're operating off the assumption that anyone who wants an equal draft cannot be anti-draft, but that's really shallow.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:40 AM
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Sounds like you're kind of hair-triggered for partisan labeling. I see criticism of redpill ideology, tradcon gender values, and masculinity grifters just about every time I browse here. And when topics veer into more general politics, it's pretty clear the majority who hang around here oppose republicans and otherwise conservative ideologies on most things. But I also think it's just a matter of course that as a space that exists specifically as a deviation from what is currently mainstream lef…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:36 AM
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Have you not seen us do that around here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 10:14 PM
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I'm not from the west though, so I don't know how the situation is in there but there should still be many peoole who don't buy this stuff. Social media is doing a very good job at polarizing us but real life is still different, fortunately. I'm in the USA, and I think it's different here. People have become very radicalized and divided here over the past 15 years. The thing that hurt the most was watching some of the people I was closest to and had known for decades turn into these feminist car…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 10:07 PM
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I agree, but I also don't know what we should do about it. It's not like banding together with feminists merely entails tolerating some unpleasantness. No amount of high-mindedness about it can turn someone who will stab you in the back into a useful ally. You could say the same about cops. Cops who show up to work a protest in their riot gear have more in common with the protesters they beat than the rich people whose interests they serve. But what good does it do to point that out to the prote…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 09:54 AM
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On paper, yes. There were people in that movement who had good intentions and did actual good things, and those things are great. But the advent of the metoo movement is also when deranged hatred of men exploded into the mainstream. It's when people I'd known for decades who used to be reasonable and nice turned into the weirdest bigots saying stuff every bit as unhinged as a Q-Cultist, but directed at men. When people got *way* too comfortable leaning on "data" and the vibes headlines were gene…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 09:40 AM
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Not a lot of feminists want a matriarchal society but “the future is female” was a common slogan for a while. My son's in his first semester of college now. Been talking with him a lot about what it's like and noteworthy social interactions and such. He says every class he takes is roughly 3/4 female students. He's taking anthropology 101, and a couple weeks ago they talked about the Mosuo people. This is a matriarchal society where women live in private huts, while men live all together in one …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 08:28 PM
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That is a game they play, and I don't think it's talking past each other at all, I think it's intentional. When they talk about false accusations, they do their best to strictly confine the scope of that conversation to legal accusations. Women reporting something to police, and taking a man to court. But yes, from men's perspective the conversation is larger than that. It includes informal rumor-spreading, which is frankly worse, because it has all the same social consequences, while denying th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 06:01 PM
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I read OP's post as mostly focusing on how people respond to men admitting to sexual insecurity, not men asking for help with their sex lives. Two very different things. Also, I don't think homophobia is required to have a reaction to butt stuff suggestions. I don't care if I'm missing out on the greatest ecstasy it's possible to experience. Buttholes aren't the slightest bit sexual for me. They're for poop. I cannot disassociate buttholes from poop, and I cannot associate poop with sex. Doesn't…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 05:45 PM
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I think it's quite common for young men to be sexualized by older women, actually. And I mean in just normal social situations, not the specific kind that OP focused on here. It's just more likely to be done via insinuations than explicit solicitations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 05:28 PM
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That reads like it could just as easily be a 150 year old description of how to be a good man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 04:06 PM
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Feminists keep saying it's rare. That it only makes up about 2% of proven false claims Yet watch the way these same people were talking about COVID deaths a few years ago. A small percentage of people who got COVID died from it, and they'd be quick to point out "A small percentage of a large number is still a large number! We need to do everything in our power to prevent that!" And I don't want to be misconstrued - I agree with that position. But then they will simultaneously put so much energy …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 03:44 PM
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You're doing their motte & bailey routine here. "It just means take accusations seriously, because we didn't before. Not to treat accused as guilty until proven innocent. And it's believe victims, not believe women - that can include men!" is the position they retreat to when challenged. But their consistent behavior is to condemn any doubt expressed towards an accusation for any reason as misogyny, even when that doubt is based on strong evidence against the accusation, to treat the accused as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 03:07 PM
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Didn't feel like Men's Day every day when I was trapped in an abusive relationship with a woman for 20 years. When she could be openly abusive towards me in public in front of bystanders and nobody cared. When she bullied our son to the point that he attempted suicide and when I explained the situation to the doctor at the emergency room, her response was to make fun of him to his face. When I sought help from authorities to get us out of that situation to save his life, help didn't exist. When …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 02:49 PM
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Yes, but it's art made by artists, and I would be a hypocrite if I stomped my feet and tried to "cancel" it. Agreed. If this principle were applied consistently by our culture, I wouldn't have a problem, either. But the double standard reveals that it's not about artistic freedom, it's about hatred. So we're not protesting artistic freedom, we're protesting hatred.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 03:46 PM
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But, I guess that's what qualifies as talent these days. If that's the bar, I was incredibly weirded out when I heard that Thom York of Radiohead held high praise for Billie Eilish. Said she was the only person at that time doing anything interesting in music, iirc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 03:41 PM
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I think ChatGPT really nailed it with men are expected to be the initiators of engagement: It's the connotation of personal failure that has always bothered me. Like when people talk about men failing to be interesting, they're not just talking about failing to appeal to what they personally find interesting. They seem to really mean failing as a person. That's very clearly how it was used in the NPR talk that started this, where "being interesting" was just thrown in with a bunch of other descr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 01:58 PM
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Ok. Do you have anything to say about my post?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 05:36 PM
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Just finished it. My favorite part is where the male guest speaker is prompted to provide an example of a guy who's... uhh... performing sadness correctly... and the example is described as a guy who tries to do the toxic masculinity routine of trying to hide it, refuse help, and be stoic and... is just bad at it. I couldn't write a better satire if I tried. Also, can anybody explain to me the social acceptability of this expectation for men to be "interesting", and to morally condemn them if th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 02:44 PM
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I've heard a lot over the last year about the waning influence of woke ideology. There's probably some truth to it - but I still see a lot of outrageous material being put out by left wing organizations. The left achieved cultural dominance in the 2010's, embedding that cultural dominance in a majority of institutions. When popular opinion shifts, it takes time for that to effect institutions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 05:57 AM
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Here's the best video of the clip I can find. It's really hard to find now without cringe commentary accompanying it. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I_ph-epYYFQ No, she doesn't say we need to make all men insecure. She calls MAGA "A political movement predicated on the puffery of insecure masculinity". Those are the exact words. Yes, the "Alpha Male" obsessed types are cringe as hell, and they're a part of that movement. But to label that as the core character of the movement or its reason for e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 05:23 PM
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This consistent pressure to vote for the lesser evil is what's allowed things to get this bad in the first place. I despise this thing that people call "strategic voting" with every fiber of my being, because it explicitly sends a message to politicians that the only thing they need to worry about is being slightly better than their opponent. You're complaining I stabbed 99 babies? Well the other guy stabbed 100! If you don't vote for the 99 baby stabber, you're not performing your duty of harm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 03:46 PM
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It's not just the bigotry, but it was also a horrendous display of stupidity. She explicitly stated that she believes our modern political problems are caused by male insecurity. That's the bigotry part. The stupid part is her political strategy for combating it is to make insecure men feel more insecure. It's not just bigoted and mean-spirited, it also makes zero sense whatsoever. Literally "I think this fire was caused by gasoline. My proposed solution is to pour more gasoline on it." How the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 01:17 PM
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When you figure it out, let me know. I've been basically an anarcho-socialist since the late 90's, and was talking about a lot of cultural issues from a left-leaning perspective before it became popular. I started spreading awareness of racist police violence since Oscar Grant in 2008, and did my best to contribute to my local Occupy in 2011. Was a little more than casually feminist from my mid-teens to mid-thirties as well. But around 2020, the hatred towards men online started really getting t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 05:17 AM
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You're right, and? If your previous response had included this, I wouldn't have responded so harshly. Your first post is exactly the type of thing I see every day as justification for discrimination against men. Stuff like male-only curfews so women can feel safe walking at night. Discrimination against fathers and male teachers, etc. And I admit my internet habits put some selection bias at play there, but I still think it's significant that I am not at all exaggerating when I say every day. Ye…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 12:14 AM
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It dawned on me recently that just the term "False Accusation" by itself provokes an assumption near universally that it's a woman doing the accusing. If you bring up that term, people's opposition to it will immediately be based on defending female victims. Suggesting legal consequences for false accusations should be gender neutral. Theoretically, there's no reason men can't falsely accuse women of wrongdoing, right? So gender neutral law preventing people from doing that should be gender-neut…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 10:33 PM
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I really like the idea of employers facing consequences for firing people over unproven accusations, or association with legal cases that have not been determined. It should not be legal. It aligns cleanly with many other forms of illegal discrimination.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 10:22 PM
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Asking what happens if we apply principles consistently isn't whataboutism, but calling someone an incel for putting forth the thought and then not addressing it at all is certainly a great way to discredit yourself. And sadly, predictable as hell. You are being a bigot, and a perfect demonstration of why the left is suffering today. As someone whose political stances have leaned quite radically left since the late 90's, people like you are why I do not associate with other leftists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 10:02 PM
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Ok. What if we applied this same logic to false allegations? Most men have experience being perceived as threatening and creepy in what were really innocent situations, but can't know whether the women perceiving them that way will take their assumptions too far and spread rumors about you or call the cops on you for taking your children to the park. Most men have experience with women who do social bullying via rumor-spreading, or drop hints or direct threats that they're willing to do so to ge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 01:43 PM
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Do you personally believe that men or women should be mainly responsible for each of the following tasks, or do you think they should be shared equally? Earning money This verbage seems very subject to interpretation. It could be seen as essentially asking "Should both men and women work", and a woman answering yes to that might still be thinking that a man should pay for her lifestyle, while she should be able to keep the money she earns to herself. Another example was I think exposed by the co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 07:58 PM
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Yeah, that's really the core of what I referred to as the pivotal quote. I quoted the whole thing just to provide context for essentially those 2 sentences. The straightforward admission that they are working from a pre-determination that if a woman uses violence, they view it as evidence their boyfriend/husband is abusing them. That they are operating from an ideology that makes it impossible for a man to be anything but perpetrator/aggressor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 07:38 PM
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I had the exact same thought. It was a very weird statement to make in this context. I strongly suspect that statement is not strictly in reference to the program he's discussing. There's too much plausible deniability to rest on it too much, though. Anyone who wants to be dismissive will just insist on interpreting it as "Yeah of course he'd say that - it's a program FOR women who use violence!" I'd really like to find the rest of this interview.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 05:54 PM
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My response is pretty simple - "So you're admitting to gender essentialism?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 03:56 PM
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Here's a video I just came across, since you prompted me to do some browsing. It's only 4 months old. An interview with Scott Miller, who is a high profile Duluth Model figure (https://www.theduluthmodel.org/about-us/meet-our-trainers/), who if you *actually* go educate yourself on the subject you will find often acting as public representative for the organization proper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXYoLw0YNmM In this video, he refers to the Duluth Model as the DAIP, again reinforcing what…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 10:02 PM
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Of particular note is that feminists are responsible for expanding the FBI's definition of rape to include male victims. Yeah, I've looked closely at this. If feminists had anything to do with it, that is not a point FOR them. Yes, it's better than the previous definition, but that doesn't mean it's remotely good. The definition: “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 07:52 PM
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Duluth Model is still influential. It's more often referred to as DAIP or CCR now, which are same thing. On the Duluth Model's own website, it switches back and forth between referring to itself as the Duluth Model or DAIP or CCR. This section of the Duluth Model's own website is a good at-a-glance rundown of the influence it continues to have, which is international - https://www.theduluthmodel.org/about-us/recognitions/ The Duluth Model Power and Control Wheel is still postered on the walls an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 07:43 PM
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My favorite is when someone will make a post on AskFeminists (my favorite microcosmic representation of feminist culture) complaining about the actions of some feminist person or group. The top responses, especially from a certain prolific mod of the sub, will always be "So go complain to those people about it. We are not those people. Feminism is a large, diverse movement, not a monolith." That will be the top 4 or 5 posts you see. Meanwhile... if you scroll beyond those top few posts, most eve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 05:44 PM
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https://amberopenletter.com/ The Duluth Model UN Women or any other organization pushing for domestic violence to be rebranded as "gender-based violence" Do you have a specific example of any group of feminists, let alone an influential organization, being supportive to any male victim of domestic violence? And I mean in some fashion beyond being obligatorily interpersonally polite with stock phrases like "I'm sorry that happened to you" when it would obviously be a bad look to do otherwise, or …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 05:13 PM
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Just one reason among many that this whole society both morally deserves to be burned to the ground, and needs to be pragmatically to create the opportunity for something better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 05:10 PM
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This is the entire reason I'm on this sub. Because I've experienced all of this first hand. And I think most men have, to some extent. Women behaving abusively towards men is normalized now. The kind of normalization that allows it to exist invisibly in plain sight. Where a woman can hit a man, and witnesses will not mentally register that anything significant happened at all. The man on the receiving end will often not even register it. He will register that he's annoyed with the behavior and f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 05:03 PM
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Masculinity is Good or GabriellaWolfeTherapist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/26 07:48 PM
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No, it's really good. She's an ally, and a very well-spoken one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/26 07:11 PM
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I've been watching her progression since "Did I just get Red Pilled?" At first, I was worried she was just going to turn into another female youtuber who blandly repeats one side of the typical gender war talking points. But I'm consistently impressed with how she improves at NOT doing that with every video, and instead tangibly digs in to objective matters with critical language, yet keeps it grounded on topic as an appeal for a culture of greater empathy and understanding for men. At the momen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/26 07:10 PM
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I don't think it's the loneliness itself that causes suicide. I think it's the internalization that your life doesn't have intrinsic value. That people won't miss *you*, they'll miss whatever you did for them. And this leads to men not valuing their own lives internally. I think the disparity in women attempting suicide much more often than men, but men still making up the large majority of deaths by suicide, is also explained by this internalization. Women can attempt as a call for help, and kn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/26 06:46 PM
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FWIW, I agree. I don't like the level of hostility in many of the responses to her either. But that second paragraph of her post was rather inflammatory, and unfortunately we can't expect an open reddit sub to be full of nothing but mature people. To prevent this sort of dogpile would require self-destruct button levels of heavy moderation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/26 06:06 PM
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Things that are jokes if you accept men as generally privileged are not jokes if you don’t. I'd really like an example of this, because it doesn't click with me in the slightest. And I'm not against humor being at someone's expense. But that humor is generally only acceptable to me, if truly at another person's expense, if it's rooted in criticism of behavior. If the humor is not at someone's expense, then whether or not they're privileged shouldn't influence whether it's acceptable or not. And …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/26 05:56 PM
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A radical feminist is just a feminist who says the same things as any other feminist, but with more vitriol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/26 05:10 PM
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What kind of response do you think I would get if I went on to a feminist sub and said "I've never heard a Trump supporter say anything misogynist. You guys really need to stop the incessant bitching about MAGA." Edit: And to be clear, I do not personally have a problem with people who call themselves feminists on the basis that they still believe feminism is about gender equality, and I think most participants here agree with me about that. We've had some very well liked people around here who …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 08:22 PM
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Even if a man and a women have the same inclination to be horrible and rape someone, rape is a lot easier to commit with male size, strength, and anatomy. Only if you only see rape or sexual assault as being perpetrated through physical force, leaving out coercion or manipulation. Which is not how most people see rape today. Go take some time reading through stories of men who have been raped by women. The single most common point in all of them, at least from what I have seen as someone who has…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 08:04 PM
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I haven’t really seen that in feminist spaces It is seriously impossible for me to believe this statement is in good faith. If you are being genuine, you must live in another dimension. Or the most generous interpretation I can offer is that your statement is sincere but based on a total lack of empathy for men. As in, it has simply never occurred to you to think "If I were a man, how would this make me feel" when seeing/hearing feminist rhetoric. Like you must live under a rock if you call your…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 07:40 PM
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Sexual dimorphism is real. Men are, on average, stronger, taller, and larger than women. To me it's only logical that people who are more capable of assault naturally commit more of it, and those that are more capable of defending themselves suffer less on average. Men are stronger -> This turns into social taboo against men using that strength against women, even in self-defense -> Women can assault men with the knowledge that society will punish the man if they defend themselves -> Men try to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 07:37 PM
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It was probably my post on this sub that you're thinking of? I haven't seen anyone else point it out. Seems to me my post is still up https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1r388nl/comment/o56hswl/?context=3
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 07:16 PM
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100% will never ever be in a relationship with a woman who engages in venomous anti-male rhetoric
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 07:25 PM
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They're playing a trick, where the point they're making would make sense in some contexts, but they're making a categorical error. For example, imagine we're talking about a golf club. Someone from that golf club talks about how there's a high rate of violence within that golf club. There's a club member getting into a fight with another club member every day. And person A who is a member of that golf club has a conversation with person B who is not a member of that golf club about it. I think i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 07:10 PM
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Challenging a culture is a gigantic, complex task. But the most summarized answer is it ultimately comes down to conversations and infomedia. Like obviously the vast majority of women have male family members that they love who exist as counter-examples to what they've been taught to believe about men. Unfortunately, rhetoric is stronger than reality. Looking at your surroundings objectively to check whether they align with one's cultural worldview takes a conscious decision to do. It doesn't ju…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 09:08 PM
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In other words, the thing to do about it is challenge the culture behind it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 07:07 PM
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Despite whatever insulting shit feminists may have to say on the subject, I don't think pay has much to do with it. People are suspicious of men around children. This suspicion has been building for decades. What's many many times more unattractive than a job with low pay is a job where everyone assumes you only want the job because you're a disgusting predator. Men in such positions are also highly vulnerable to rumors and accusations. Majority of people will just believe them with zero evidenc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 02:14 PM
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Unfortunately, I didn't find out about it until several years later. I would have absolutely gone on a legal warpath against that school if I'd known half the things I know now when they were occurring. Really appreciate your name, btw. I've hated intellectual property law with a burning passion for decades. It's an issue that strikes deep at core philosophical questions about modern infomedia society, with far-reaching implications. It's not a coincidence that the Patriot Act and the DMCA passe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 06:43 PM
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Started 8 years old for me, too. Third grade. When I started at a new school. And I continued to be a top student, because elementary school you have one teacher for the day and the teachers I had didn't contribute to the bullying. So I saw it as just some mean kids, and didn't associate it with teachers or the school system itself. But then 7th grade (different building / different staff - grades 7-12 - different teacher every period). Of course early teens is generally when bullying is at its …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 04:26 PM
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After having 2 sons go through the system, I agree. It's not an organized goal. But you don't need an organized goal when there's a strong culture guiding individual behaviors. And that culture sees it as a success metric when girls outperform boys, scrutinizes male behaviors more intensely, and judges more harshly. And none of that requires active hatred, either. Just unexamined vibes. But the rhetoric behind it all inevitably produces outlier figures that are actively hateful towards maleness,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 03:15 PM
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Meanwhile, boys are sometimes raised with a more relaxed attitude toward academics like “he’ll figure it out” or “boys will be boys.” I've seen this repeated a lot, actually, but it's never been my observation of reality. In fact, I'd say it's the opposite, where this: Sitting in classrooms for 7+ hours, highly sedentary, compliance-focused learning, that environment does not suit all students equally. Is combined with an attitude among school staff and parents that is on average more punitive t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 02:25 PM
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Top notch informative post
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 10:47 PM
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I've seen this behavior since 2016, when there was some controversy over the left's constant making fun of Trump being fat or having a small dick. There was a public statue unveiled at one point of a naked Trump with a micropenis, and I remember that generating a lot of discussion both criticizing and defending that behavior. So I'm just wanting to point out that this goes 10 years back now, coinciding with the year that everybody lost their fucking minds and there was a general reactionary shif…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 10:10 PM
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Better than Epstein
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 03:47 PM
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I've just seen it in passing on the thumbnails of dozens of youtube videos, and a couple article links. But here - I just image searched "Survivors stand up behind Pam Bondi" and immediately found the very photo that I've seen everyone using. You can see how the man is in a position that's easily cropped out. If I hadn't seen a couple honest thumbnails that didn't do that to him, I would have never known. Sorry it's a Facebook link, but the link is directly to the photo, not a Facebook page http…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 03:39 PM
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It's notably cruel to the survivors themselves. First, it's ridiculous to think that even if women like Ghislaine didn't participate in the act of rape itself, that justice for survivors wouldn't include accountability for people who aided in facilitating their kidnapping and rape. But also, survivors themselves have openly stated that their rapists included women. I haven't even watched this saga very closely. I've mostly just seen headlines. And by that alone, I know that women, and not just G…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 03:21 PM
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There's that incident where a bunch of survivors stood up behind Pam Bondi and raised their hands, which has gone viral. There was a man among them. Most reporting I see uses the same picture of that group. But like 3/4 of them crop the man out of the picture. He's standing on the far right side of the group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 03:10 PM
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I can sympathize with being political up to a point. It is necessary to an extent. But there has to be a limit, or it becomes self-defeating. It's a classic long-standing problem with a certain sort of moderate liberal. Where they're so much more committed to being moderate and limiting confrontation than they are to actual principles, that all anyone has to do to make them betray any principle they may claim to hold is to be so radical that the moderate liberal is forced to reposition in order …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 07:46 PM
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I disagree about Reeves. I don't like him. I think he is currently serving some helpful purpose as a gateway, but in any other respect he is doing us more harm than good. Consider his flagship policy proposal. This is the initiative he's primarily staking his pro-male activist career on and puts the most energy into promoting at every appearance he does. "Red Shirting" for boys in education. Starting them in school a year later than girls, on the pretense that boy's brains develop slower than gi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 04:25 PM
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I bet it would be more, considering I've seen quite a few examples of women proudly admitting to or promoting rape, and receiving overwhelming support with no opposition from the women in their audience. I've never - NEVER - seen the equivalent from men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 03:26 PM
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Been seeing feminists work on undermining belief in these principles for a while, honestly. Like not just in relation to excusing their treatment of men. But from the general culture surrounding feminism, I've seen an increase over time of things like directly questioning the value of "innocent until proven guilty" not just for men, but as a legal principle generally. Or blatant showing of distaste for freedom of speech as a general principle. I think the general trend of the feminist left of th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 08:56 AM
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No idea. I didn't watch the video, and haven't looked into it. Just the title of the video was blatant enough to deserve condemnation. Skepchick's next video might as well be "The robbery at the gas station down the street reveals how criminal Deshawn and other black people are"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 09:16 PM
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The classic racist line "I can't be racist. In fact, I have friends who are black!" The trick being that they still have a blanket hatred/disrespect. They're just willing to offer an exception to some as "one of the good ones". Feminists do the same with men. Men as a whole are a caricature, until individual men become real full-fledged people by being directly present in their lives, and then they rationalize it as "Well they're the exception - one of the good ones." The parallels with other mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 09:11 PM
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Skepchick, too. I wake up today and open youtube and this video title is the first thing I see "Epstein Files Reveal How Pathetic Richard Dawkins & Other Men Are" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoO9FZXUgv4 I didn't watch the video. The title told me everything I needed to know. I know it's wrong to give it engagement. But I left a comment. "& Other Men" because of course these things always have to be taken advantage of to smear shit on the entire gender of men as a whole, not just the ones who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 03:36 PM
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Women were denied credit cards until the 70's Look up the actual history of this. The credit card thing is a ridiculous narrative. The reality is the USA passed federal law ensuring women couldn't be denied credit cards only a few years after credit cards had become prevalent. Imagine there being some complaint in 2022 that some discrimination is taking place, and there is a federal law banning that discrimination by 2026, within the span if a single presidential term. That's not evidence of a g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 11:22 PM
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The most powerful force in the universe - the combination of projection and confirmation bias.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 05:40 PM
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It shouldn't. If you're not allowed to defend yourself, then the physical difference doesn't matter. If the consequence of the strength differential is that you're not allowed to respond, then it's actually MORE important that society responds on your behalf. Otherwise, it's just demanding that men be helpless victims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 06:16 PM
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It's also incredibly common. I think the current discourse has people talking past each other a lot on this point. Those who think false allegations are a real issue are, I think, generally including rumor-spreading as part of that issue. While those who marginalize false accusations as an issue try to keep it laser-focused on strictly what's reported to authorities. I've seen several cases of rumor-spreading type allegations in my own life, some of them pretty close to me. I am convinced at thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 05:58 PM
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I think you need to work on internalizing the fact that mental gymnastics are a real thing. Linguistically clever framing can make absolutely anything sound reasonable or true. It really seems to me like your mental struggles are because you're holding to an identity based on association with people who don't share your values. That antagonism is painful. I understand, because I lived in that same place for a while. You still cling to it because they throw up a wall of sophistry to make their be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 05:28 PM
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I think that is actually the most extreme double-standard of them all. It's broadly seen as not just ok but totally normal for women to monitor and control men's social lives - who they're allowed to be around, demand social media passwords, check their phones, etc. And if the man has a problem with this, then it's seen as evidence that the woman's suspicion is deserved. But a man doing the same to a woman is the scum of the earth - period. The disparity on this point is absolutely insane. It's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/26 06:32 PM
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Going to imagine being a powerful, high-profile national level politician, putting forth a platform for an election campaign for president or senate or something. Here's what I'd propose for men. I'd launch an initiative to research and recognize male victims of sexual & domestic abuse, dispel the myths surrounding it, and revise law enforcement and social support organization's protocols to be gender neutral. Legally enforce gender neutrality in custody and child support decisions in family cou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/26 06:01 PM
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I've personally experienced this. Literally had people laugh at me in public when my ex was being verbally abusive. One time she ripped my sunglasses off my face and threw them on the sidewalk, and a passerby deliberately stepped on them and laughed as he walked past. But what really got me was when I finally left that relationship, and sought social support from staunchly feminist friends as I was going through that separation. These are people who postured themselves as being very knowledgeabl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/26 04:46 PM
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Imagine pathologizing female insecurity as something that turns women evil, and using that as justification to dig at female insecurities generally. Edit: For that matter, imagine telling a group of people that they need to be more vulnerable, while also telling them that feelings of insecurity among their group are the root of evil in the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 05:03 PM
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Feminism needs to either shift towards real, genuine and non-transactional egalitarianism, built on principles and standards it consistently applies to everyone, or it'll lose everything it tried to build. I agree. Lately, I often look at how fucking awful women can get away with behaving towards men in today's society, and the resentment that is so very obviously building among men. And I feel a sense of dread. The uptick in comments I see online along the lines of "I understand now why there h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 04:52 PM
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Yeah, healthcare is a primary motivator for me, too. My son is type 1 diabetic. I had to drop $1000 out of pocket a couple weeks ago unexpectedly for insulin pump supplies, despite spending $1000 a month on health insurance, and have $300 in old medical bills that will probably start getting me in trouble if I don't pay them soon. And services aren't even good. I've literally faced blatant extortion in a hospital before, and lost family to malpractice. All the Japan stuff aside, I've been feelin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 05:56 AM
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I've spent a total of 3 weeks over there now, first visit being 3 years ago. I hate how conservatives are using Japan as a political prop. But I fell in love with the people there on visiting myself. It's the only time in my entire life I've felt like I was witnessing a functioning society. Just the way people are mindful of how they take up space around each other is a mind-blowing departure from the USA. It speaks deep volumes. I could go on for several paragraphs about my observations about j…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 12:11 AM
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Yeah, I'm aware. I'm not even working towards it with the intention of finding a relationship. I just want to live in one of the last places on this planet where the population still has some functioning civic consciousness, values basic respect and social harmony, and I don't have to prove myself as tenuously "one of the good ones" to avoid default suspect and hatred of my gender. Also, the idea of Japan being labeled Global South is ridiculous. It's one of the most developed countries in the w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/26 05:13 PM
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I have seen so many stories at this point of women brazenly kidnapping men's kids right next to them in broad daylight, because they can rely on bystanders to start beating up the guy the moment yelling starts. Even when the kidnapping fails, the woman usually gets away totally free because by the time people get over their gender stereotype confusion and realize she needs to be detained, she's already slipped away 10 minutes ago. Sex trafficking operations intentionally put women in these roles…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/26 05:05 PM
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I think a majority of men have experienced what would objectively be regarded as rape or sexual assault if they were women, but it's simply not seen as such when done to a man and they're culturally trained not to internalize it as such when it happens to them, mostly by women who go to great lengths to maintain a monopoly on sexual victimhood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/26 03:11 PM
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You're not overreacting. It's bigotry. Plain and simple. It's infuriating to be an acceptable target for the sort of speech you'd hear from the KKK. I'm so tired of it, it's one of my major motivators for wanting to move to Japan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/26 03:09 PM
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The whole talking point boils down to "Women commit suicide in a way that proves they're good people, while men commit suicide in a way that proves they're bad people." There's few topics where they let their feelings of moral superiority to men fly more freely. Doesn't feel quiet to me at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 09:01 AM
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This has definitely been going on for longer than 5 years. Feminists have been winning institutional discrimination against men for generations, and the age of pop internet misandry has been going on at least 10 years now. "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!" was 23 years ago. I agree with your general message about culture war being a distraction from class war. But it's way more difficult than just stupid AI bots.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 09:49 PM
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In the section on suicide, I'd add the part where they attribute men's suicide rate to their emotional illiteracy, at the same time as they try to claim the issue for themselves because women attempt more. Also it's misogynistic to claim that women's attempts are often not sincere attempts, but calls for help. But it's not misandry to claim that men succeed more often due to using more violent methods because they're terrible people. Because women handicap their attempts by being such good peopl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 03:05 PM
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On this sub, and all but the most reactionary men's spaces in general, you will see us call out and actively differentiate ourselves from hateful and generalizing rhetoric aimed at women. Go to feminist spaces, and you will not see them doing the same in regards to stuff like this. On this very thread, there is already a feminist shown up with a comment about how the video only lost her at the end. Feminists constantly criticize men for not policing their own entire gender. One man rapes a woman…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 07:38 PM
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Just watched it, and immediately did the same. Absolutely flagrant hate speech, which would not be tolerated on 90% of platforms if aimed at any other group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 07:29 PM
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She did comment on how she was single because she had abandoned the "battle to be picked", so apparently not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 07:07 PM
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Because the entire institution of law enforcement in the USA is very corrupt and largely inhabited by psychopaths who get into that line of work because they want opportunities to abuse power and be violent. Corrupt and psychopathic police have been systematically chasing good cops out of the profession for decades. There have been whole documentaries on this. Homeless men are some of the most acceptable targets there are for random violence. They're unsightly. No one wants them around. The fact…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 04:22 PM
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Men get less services because woman are more vulnerable (abuse, assault, rape etc) so woman are prioritised Worth keeping in mind that police (in the USA) quite regularly murder homeless people. Or rather, homeless men. So unless they're pushing the "rape is worse than murder" angle, which has its own problems, this point is just a blatant expression of male disposability.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 08:49 AM
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But I've never, ever been one of those bitter geeks angry their thing was becoming more popular or inclusive or whatever. That is not how it should be. I think gatekeeping is atrocious behavior. But there is something to the observation that when a niche hobby gets big, it changes. The business side of the hobby changes as there's more money to be made. The art gets watered down as it tries to cater to a wider audience. It becomes less a place where you can let your guard down and be comfortable…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 08:54 PM
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I'd push for both but the concern would be that the women would be taken and raped by Russian soldiers since that seems to be their MO Far better for the men to get raped, right? I'd expect a regular participate on this sub to understand that is also common, and has been reported on extensively in the Russia/Ukraine war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 03:33 PM
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Oh yeah I understand you're saying Tate isn't big. I'm just saying in contrast Sarkeesian was/is actually big, and I felt that deserved mention. As in: Tate was like bio-engineered in a lab to be the perfect strawman, but Sarkeesian wasn't a strawman because the left actually does still widely embrace her. If you meant to say that, it just didn't come across to me. Wasn't meaning to contradict your post at all - just adding to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 02:28 AM
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Thank you. It's again a double standard: if a male victim of abuse by women hated women, he would understandably get dogpiled. I've had to tell people hundreds of times at this point that if this excuses women hating men, then I have the exact same excuses to hate women. Attempted stabbing, rape, etc. If they respond at all it's something like "You just have to understand it sucks for you but you're just not statistically important and have to put yourself aside for the group that gets victimize…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 02:19 AM
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As in Sarkeesian is promoted and defended 100x more by the left than Tate is by men/the right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 02:09 AM
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I'm sure the bullying Anita Sarkeesian faced was terrible. But she was/is also quite terrible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 02:01 AM
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No you’re right. It reminds me of how Anisa Saarkesian became everything the right wanted during GamerGate. Difference is Anita Sarkeesian is still mainstream promoted by feminists. The AskFeminists faq has her on their media list, and multiple breadtubers have put out stuff favorable to her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 01:59 AM
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Being a nerd while male has been cultural shorthand for I grew up in the days when it would still get you literally beat up. Not just insulted or joked about. Punched in the face.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 01:55 AM
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And I would bring it up with my friends, family, classmates, co-workers, and online relentlessly. I even brought it up when it put my job at risk, or involved publicly stating things of questionable legality. Like I've been openly and frequently stating on public platforms since like 2008 that it infuriates me every day that we aren't rioting. I openly state with regularity under my real name that we need to be rolling out guillotines, and that I am not joking. I've put my job (and by extension …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 04:06 PM
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Let me put this in context in my own life. I'm 42, born 1983, and I've lived my whole life in the USA. I was 18, in my first semester of college, when 9/11 happened. I haven't been deeply involved in activism, but I have been very politically outspoken my whole life, since my mid-teens. I was one of the minority who was against the War in Iraq, the Patriot Act, etc. Throughout the 2000's and early 2010's, I basically was someone who would not shut up about the things our government was doing, an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 04:05 PM
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Had some pretty heavy personal stuff going on the last few days, so sorry it took so long to put this response out. And is it that because we don't know where this line is, that there is no responsibility at all? It seems that you think it's all fine and dandy and anybody can wash their hands of anything. I clarified that I agree some responsibility exists, so it's not cool to say things like this. I'm also a huge Tolkien fan. I've read LotR 3 times, and The Hobbit was the first full novel I eve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 04:05 PM
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The biggest problem I see is that women tell their personal stories. This is partly because society empowers them to do so. But we need to be bolder. Data is honestly on our side. Feminists have control of the conversation about data. They control the academia that produces the data, they design it to produce the results they want, and they hide data that doesn't support their narratives. But this is easy to call out. I don't think we have a problem here. I think we're winning on this point. It'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 12:06 AM
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General question for the multiple people in this thread talking about citizen's responsibility for their country's actions. Especially the multiple people talking about how that responsibility goes beyond voting. What is enough? At what point are you allowed to wash your hands of it? Do you expect people to sacrifice their lives opposing neighbors? Or is there some point where fleeing is justified? Because one crux of this I don't see anyone addressing is it's not like anyone chooses to be born …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 10:31 PM
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Yeah, that clip is damning. Her description of how she reacted to the boy's pain is outright sociopathic, as everyone in the video comments is pointing out. And it is disturbing as hell how everybody laughs with her. No psychologically healthy person beyond the age of like 6 feels a compulsion to experiment on people in ways that are so obviously cruel. This is female privilege, and it needs to be pointed out aggressively as such, every time. Every time we see a video like this, we need to leave…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 04:17 PM
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When CPS showed up to investigate my ex-wife based on reports of her abusing our son, her investigation consisted of gathering the entire family around our dining room table, asking our son to recount his allegations in front of his mother, and then asking her mother if they were true. As soon as she said "No", the agent slammed her notebook shut and announced that she considered the case closed. That this is a classic example of what she sees every day in her line of work. That all teenage boys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 10:11 PM
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So to answer the question, if you see it at mass scale- when women become physically violent, there's almost always little to no physical harm done. Versus when a man gets violent with a woman, the physical harm tends to be much greater. I see this brought up every time. But it's also important to recognize that even if you suffer no injury, being frequently faced with aggression, especially at home, really fucks a person up. Not that actual physical injury doesn't matter. But even if there is n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 10:07 PM
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Unfortunately, they are impossible to come by in the UK, because male victims there are recorded in government statistics as victims of violence against women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 09:57 PM
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What's essential for you to understand is that the harm goes beyond rhetoric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 04:45 PM
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I endured 10 years past the point of giving up on my marriage with an abusive wife, just to protect the kids. It's very likely that if I hadn't, my older son would be dead today. During this time, she completely controlled my life, including financially abusing us. She wouldn't even give me the login to our bank account so I could see how much money we had. When I finally had to leave, again to save my son because he was attempting suicide and begging me repeatedly to give him up for adoption or…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 04:41 PM
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Yes, we are. Ask yourself if the people who deserve their strategy corrected so we stop losing are the bigots or the targets of bigotry. Even if I wasn't personally the target, I don't see the win in trading one form of bigotry for another. I'm against bigotry. Thus I am against conservative bigotry and feminist bigotry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 04:29 PM
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My stance is that traits unrelated to physical sexual dimorphism should not be gendered at all. Especially personality traits. Your personality is your personality. Gendering them does not a single positive thing for anyone. Those who are perceived as having personality traits matching their apparent gender are seen as having them because of their gender, not because of themselves, putting their gender identity in front of their individual humanity. Meanwhile, those same traits are gatekept and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 09:01 PM
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Got a reference for that? Not doubting you. I'd just love to have it in my pocket.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 08:48 PM
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I don't really have a solid idea of what intersectionality means as an academic framework. I know how people apply it informally. I'm sure there's an element of the academic version differing a lot from the pop version. But either way, unless I'm horribly wrong, the basic idea is that people's identities are complicated, and you can't generalize someone's life experience based on only one facet of their identity. You have to look at the intersection of multiple facets... right? But... it kinda b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 06:42 PM
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I feel like you're kind of all over the place, and I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across anymore. Yes, Pearl doesn't deserve to be platformed, and does deserve to be debated and torn down. But at the same time, the way in which this has happened is generally a bad thing for optics on men's issues, and was not done in a fully honest fashion by Ana, which is generally representative of behavior I see from modern left-leaning career personalities. Is he referring to the entire debate …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 06:16 PM
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Actually LOTR is reason why I learned English, it was my motivator as Hobbit was translated when I was kid, but LOTR was not. Very cool. English is my native language, so I didn't learn the language on it. But I did learn to read on it. The Hobbit was the first full novel I ever read, when I was 6 years old.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 05:34 PM
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Yeah, I think a huge problem with modern politics is most people don't really seem to put conscious thought into establishing a framework of values, and cannot distinguish between what political positions held by themselves or others are based more on values or worldview. So the true believer fascist with terrible values receives the same condemnation as the gullible person with good values who was just fooled into believing stupid shit by the true believer. I truly believe most people are basic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 04:47 PM
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I gotta say, I do get tired of this seeming dogmatism regarding character growth being a requirement for every character in writing, like that's the only thing that can make a story interesting, or being interesting is the only purpose a story can serve. Something I've been thinking about for a while now is how when I was growing up in the 80's/90's, there were so many more aspirational characters in media than there are today. Where the story was about other things than the growth of that chara…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 04:34 PM
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Another bit of psychology: The more you put someone in a position of defending a position, or in feeling like they have lost something due to their belief in a position, the more they will incorporate that position as part of their identity and strengthen their emotional attachment to it. Sort of like sunk cost fallacy. And the less likely it is their conscious reasoning in response to evidence will be able to overcome that attachment. So yeah. patient attrition is the way to go with someone you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 03:14 PM
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"Pearl uses legit male issues to prop up her actually misogynistic tradcon grift" Is a perfectly legitimate reason TO debate her and expose how little she even understands what she's talking about. Yeah, but then she gets grilled over questions regarding divorce or suicide, legit male issues that we care about, and gets steamrolled. And it turns into Ana shitting all over legit male issues, not just Pearl herself. Which turns into anyone caring about those issues as an MRA looking like a clown. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 02:53 PM
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Even leaving the hypocritical body shaming out of it entirely, the left has been burying itself with this behavior for the past 10 years. Ever since the mid-2010's, I've seen media and people associated with the post-2016 left just get... increasingly circle-jerky. And I'm not just referring to echo chambers. I mean a larger and larger proportion of their content, whether it's posts by random people on social media or video essays by the highest profile youtube stars or independent left-leaning …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 11:33 PM
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You may be on to something. Posted by this same guy 23 days ago, in the "Tired of Vaush's take on male loneliness" thread The real frustration with male loneliness is when you feel like your doing everything right and are still getting no results, whether that be hygiene, the gym, hobbies, educating yourself, working, etc. They have nothing to say to these guys And by his own logic, if he acknowledges my post in any way, it's proof that it hurt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 11:14 PM
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Yeah. What I saw in this video was a bunch of guys not reacting at all - clearing not giving a shit - and Bovino's only reaction being amused at how childish the insult was. Clearly unbothered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 11:08 PM
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So if someone slings a petty childish insult, and the target of the insult doesn't behave as if they heard nothing, then it's proof the insult hurt. Ok. If that's what you really believe, I don't even know how to respond to that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 10:46 PM
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so it’s funny to see them fall for the rage bait and expose their fragility. You've clearly seen something I haven't. In this video especially, their reaction was obviously nonchalantly amused at how childish the insult was. I'm really curious where you're seeing what you describe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 10:39 PM
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Personally, I think petty mockery that's no more sophisticated than what you would find on an elementary school playground just makes you look immature, no matter what your politics are. I immediately find it difficult to like anyone who behaves that way, even if it's aimed at a disgusting villain. And it's difficult for me to imagine why anyone would resort to that instead of substantive criticisms, unless they just don't have substantive criticisms. Of course, it's not always the time or place…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 10:28 PM
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When dealing with people who are more liberal, they say women can initiate and make the first move if they want to, but the common excuse I notice they go to is "women feel unsafe cuz most men are unsafe or just want sex. They're afraid of rejection or what men might do, so the men have to make the first move for the most part." Which all boils down to the traditional expectation of "Women are vulnerable, and men must step up to protect them."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 06:45 PM
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For as much as the left will remark all day every day about how grifters like Fresh and Fit make themselves look smart by only engaging with the dumbest people they can find, leftist media figures are widely guilty of the exact same thing. Pearl was an easy target. You'll never see someone as prominent as Ana risk taking on someone who's actually sincere and capable of handling the debate. I agree that the way people are talking about this is infuriating. Like Pearl is representative of everyone…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 07:41 AM
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My older son lives with me. For the past several years, we've talked every day, often for hours. Very close. He's a bit more cynical than me about women and humanity in general, and his attitude towards feminism is harsher than mine. He actually introduced me to this sub. I probably wouldn't have found this place without him. But I don't think he's sexist, and we're pretty closely aligned on most things. The stuff he's seen and been through has also contributed to some pretty extreme anxiety. Hi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 06:01 AM
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This basic inequality just reinforces the idea that men's issues don't matte; no wonder men feel alone. This is really it, and the crux of what I keep trying to express. It causes this deeply internalized sense of alienation to be put in this position by society, and then when you try to just have a conversation about it, you face responses from 95% of people ranging from unhinged feral rage and narcissistic gaslighting to sincerely confused bewilderment and insistence that you must be imagining…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 11:08 PM
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Fair response (I am not the person who downvoted you, btw). I grew up in a very conservative community, but with very college educated centrist-liberal parents. And around my mid-teens I veered very hard left in my personal politics, and became very online around the same time (in the mid 90's). The people I've known in real life at work and school have ranged mostly from moderate to christian fascist, and the people I've gravitated to as friends were the left-leaning exceptions. And I have alwa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 10:56 PM
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I can only speak for myself here, but maybe doing so can paint a picture for you to ponder. The most important issues in my life, my inner world emotional difficulty topics, are men's issues. The discrimination my sons have faced at school. The difficulties I've faced getting away from an abusive female partner. The impacts misandrist culture has had on my social life. The type of stuff we talk about here. I have two brothers and a sister. If I try to talk about those things around my family, my…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:13 PM
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Most people who engage in sexual crimes are unaware they're committing such crimes, and this includes a staggering percentage of the male population. I've been arguing for years that this is extremely prevalent among women, to the point that if women faced as much vigilance and the same standards of behavior that they demand of men, that probably more of them would be in jail than men. Because they don't even realize how much they take for granted that these rules just don't apply to them. Look …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 07:31 PM
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I've never been someone who cared about performing masculinity. I've sported long hair for multiple periods of my life, down to the middle of my back when I was around 19-21, and I have it about shoulder length now. I used to get mistaken for a girl most times I went out in public, and it never bothered me. I thought it was funny. I dyed my hair pink and painted my nails to intentionally offend masculinity obsessed dudebros when I was around 17/18. Most of my left-leaning friends came out as som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 05:25 PM
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Just to make things clear, Favoritism towards boy's/men's perspectives is NOT the solution, but I feel we should have equal focus on male and female perspectives in the school system and not just blame men/boys themselves for all of the girls/womens issues, but instead focus on systems that opress both boys/men and girls/women. Agreed. I want men and women (saying men/boys and women/girls is so awkward) to have the same opportunities, and be subject to the same standards of behavior and the same…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 02:48 PM
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The real dammit is going to hit when these boys grow up. Much of what I described in my post took place more than 10 years ago, prior to the MeToo movement. My kids are among the peer group of conservative trending young men that the world is freaking out about right now (despite their conservative voting pattern being about equal to that of middle aged white women). But just looking at trends, I have little doubt that the average experience of boys younger than mine is probably worse. I do that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 02:42 PM
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There's a lot of just blatant discrimination against boys these days, really. They're disciplined harsher and medicated more often for the same behaviors, at the same time as they're constantly surrounded by girl power messaging. School staff is like 80% women at this point, and men are still continually being pushed out, while multiple studies have shown a tendency among female teachers to bias against male students. I have two sons who are now 21 and 17. The older one had a teacher who told he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 06:34 AM
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Literally the only person I talk to openly about my inner world is my son, and I'm likewise the only such person for him. This forum is the only place I talk about my thoughts on gender politics, and outside of here I'm extremely careful about any engagement with the subject. And I only engage here in screaming into the void style - I don't actually know anyone. In my free time, I play single player games on twitch and I have a handful of people who regularly drop by there, only two of which I'v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 09:28 PM
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I think it's because the hatred society has expressed towards men over the last 10 years has damaged our ability to be enthusiastic about social activity or form connections. I dropped a lot of friends a few years ago when being around their rhetoric long enough made it really sink in that if they didn't know me and saw me as a random person on the street, they would have hateful thoughts about me by default. And I just haven't had it in me since to bother. Something broke. And I think that's th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 08:29 PM
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Men are lonely and isolated, there’s a group of other people to get involved with, but the person will still choose not to. In which case, you can’t want more for someone than they want for themselves, and loneliness is sometimes made on a bed of one’s own choices. I'm a cis guy, but these days I think I understand this point. I was bullied and ostracized through most of my childhood and systematically isolated by my ex-wife for decades starting at age 17. And despite all that, whenever I had th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 08:36 AM
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Perfect time to once again share this old gem https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 08:19 AM
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Women arguably have more political power than men, and they don't give a shit about war because it's "something men do to other men". Women not seeing themselves as stakeholders in the issue is a serious obstacle to the issue being addressed. And if you want tangible proof of that, look at how war propaganda efforts in recent years have focused on how the target country mistreats women, to gather political support from women for a war effort. Suddenly these women who are all "Don't fight for dra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 06:01 PM
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I see plenty of people say things around here that I don't like, but I have never seen this. Never seen a pro-war statement. Ever. I could have missed it. But I'm dead certain it would be a very rare thing at least.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 05:54 PM
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This one was crushing to me. Because in all my life, Bernie and AOC were the closest any federal legislators had ever come to making me feel the slightest bit represented, and I was so goddamn enthusiastic for them a few years ago. But Bernie's time has passed, and this incident with AOC has convinced me to never vote for her. I look forward to the accusations of misogyny and supporting fascism x100000 when her presidential bid comes... if we still have elections... I doubt she seriously associa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 05:44 PM
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And of course.. if down the line we bring up Door Dash girl as an example of a woman leveling false accusations against a man it will be hand waved off as: "An isolated incident" More likely they'll wait for some time to pass and public awareness to cool off, and then double-down even harder with a fresh narrative full of misinformation like they did with Depp v Heard. If paying attention to politics for the past 25 years has taught me anything, it's that dominant social groups are free to re-wr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 05:23 PM
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Can't believe this post was 2 years ago. Damn. I'm a man with 2 sons. I found this sub in the aftermath of a nasty separation from a woman I'm 95% sure has undiagnosed BPD, who I had been with for 20 years. The last 10 years we were together, I was only staying to protect the kids. I'm very confident today that if I had left and not achieved primary custody of my older son that he would be dead. I'm here because I'm pretty radically left. But I was going through my separation during the height o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/26 03:36 PM
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The left will do the same as well. Because that's just sorta what humans do. Just want to add that the moment we treat a behavior as acceptable when done by people we align with, we no longer have the right to complain when anyone else does it. If we criticize the right when they do it, then criticizing the left when they also do it *is part of the same project*. The two things cannot be separated. It's really that simple. Edit: A lot of the behaviors I complain about on the left are things I wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 08:29 PM
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Seriously, you'd think they'd eventually realize that maybe listening to some new narratives might be necessary I think their hubris is such that they are literally incapable of listening to anything outside of an echo chamber.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 05:05 PM
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The post is about stephen miller - a literal white supremacist all but confirmed to be our shadow president, not trump. My post, which you are responding to: or anyone associated with his administration or movement. . How many men has Miller ripped from their families? Sent to foreign gulags, and altogether disappeared off American streets? But not a peep from this sub allegedly about "men's rights." But a post about an old dig a female politician said about a nazi being short, well this MUST be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 04:47 PM
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"uhhh... I... I totally have a response to you! ... But I'm not going to tell you what it is because you're too stupid to understand it anyway! *blows raspberries*"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 04:40 PM
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Imagine defending the literal nazi running the US government Please quote any instance of someone defending Trump, or anyone associated with his administration or movement. You realize that disagreeing with someone's behavior directed at a bad person can be distinct from defending a bad person, right? Were you one of those people who was pro-torture in the Bush era just because you thought it was only being done to bad people?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 04:30 PM
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My mom's family was like that about gender roles when she was a kid. So was my ex-wife's. Every family is a culture unto themselves, and growing up, your family's culture can feel like the whole world. But as you get older, you should realize that the world is much bigger than your family. There are lots of very traditional families out there. But I don't think they're the majority anymore, and most of them care a lot more about holding each other to that standard internally than they care about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 10:32 PM
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Can we just take a moment to stop and imagine how much of a better place the world would be today if intelligence agencies like the CIA just never came to be...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 04:25 PM
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When you say “feminism cares about women and not at all about men,” the first part is obviously true, it’s literally in the name. Feminism is a movement that emerged to address the historical, legal, and social subordination of women. Expecting it to be male-centered isn’t a serious standard. I hate that people use this wording. It's not that feminism "doesn't care about men" or "does nothing for men". It's that feminism has actively harmed men on massive scale. They are an active aggressor. It'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 04:20 PM
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I see you've disappeared. But I'll respond in case you decide to peak back in. I'm 42. I was born in '83, and my parents were born in '63. I've lived in the midwest, mostly in small towns, my whole life. The core of my childhood, ages 8-16, I grew up in a very small, very conservative town in Indiana. This place barely qualified for its own post office, and to this day still doesn't have a single stoplight. I regularly heard lynching and gay bashing jokes and n-words. Talk of torturing cats for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 03:39 PM
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Male abashment, as I define it, is when men are shamed, socially pressured, or made to feel less than due to not fitting imposed male expectations. Men can do this to each other (stuff like "quit crying like a p*ssy" or "oh you like ["unmanly" thing here].. what are you gay?"). However, women can do this to men too. Internally, it lowers men's self-worth and makes them feel ashamed for not meeting or venturing out of masculine expectations like being good with the ladies, being the "man of the h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 07:08 AM
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As a man who has actually been through the issues we're discussing here, I can tell you I've struggled with a lot of depression and cptsd. Directly caused by these life experiences. A suicide model that tells me my depression sprang up out of nowhere and has nothing to do with society making it near impossible for me to rescue my son from an abusive mother is a bullshit, de-humanizing model. My son has attempted suicide, and it was because of his mom. Because he was that desperate to get away fr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 06:52 AM
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With respect to what you've been through. You read this part, right? When states adopt joint custody laws, male suicide rates drop 9% (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14652268) Yes, not everyone who experiences these external triggers will turn to suicide. But the entire point of the post is that legal equality would literally save men's lives. That's just a fact. If society is being malicious towards someone, it's kind of a fucked up response to tell them they should focus on developing better coping s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 03:40 AM
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I've been saying for years that if male suicide correlated to domestic abuse or discrimination in family court were accounted for, men would be killed by female partners just as much as the reverse. I think they deliberately go to great lengths to ensure those dots are never connected, because the line between would damn them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 03:09 PM
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That's the thing for me. These days I see feminism as defined by belief in patriarchy theory. If patriarchy simply meant a neutral, objective observation that men occupied most positions of institutional power throughout history around the world, I would not have a problem with that. But the vast majority of feminists (including myself until a few years ago) do not describe patriarchy that way. Yes, feminism is a gigantic, diverse movement, and you can find different subsects of feminism that wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 02:39 PM
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Can you explain what you mean by effecting your own principles? I stopped considering myself a feminist a few years ago. I still want gender equality. I want men and women to be held to the same standards of behavior, have the same opportunities, and be subjected to the same laws with equal enforcement. My principles didn't change. The only thing that changed is I stopped seeing feminism as promoting gender equality. If you have to adopt a group label and conform to that group in order to be con…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 02:01 PM
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Allow me to repeat myself a little more clearly. She literally said that the cause of fascism is male insecurity, and posited increasing male insecurity in response as sincere political strategy. Her openly stated stance is that a gender experiencing a normal human emotion is responsible for our current political climate. Framing that as "She didn't say men's rights!" is wildly disingenuous. WILDLY. I used the phrase "Men Kampf or Mein Kampf" for a reason. "Everyone born this certain way is the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 02:55 PM
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My stance on false accusations is that their actual prevalence is mostly irrelevant. The simple fact is that denying or marginalization the importance of false accusations is the same as denying or marginalizing male victims. Because abusers lie about their victims. Period. It's the single most basic fact of toxic relationship/household dynamics. An abusive relationship/household cannot persist without misrepresentation of that dynamic to the rest of the world. Or else the abuser would face lega…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 01:32 PM
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I'm with you. A few years ago, I would have enthusiastically voted for AOC, for example. But now after her recent characterization of modern politics as being all about the inherent villainy of insecure men, I just can't. I will never be able to see her the same way again. How can I vote for someone who sees my gender experiencing a human emotion as the origin of all political conflict. Disgusting. To put it simply, given the choice between Men Kampf or Mein Kampf, I'm simply not going to choose…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 09:41 PM
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These days, I tell people I hold leftist positions, radical ones even, but vehemently disagree with the character of the left of the past 10 years and they do not represent me. I've said this several times here, and repeat it all the time. But I think the post-2016 left is a distinct entity from the leftist movement prior. There was a huge influx of people into political activity and discourse who were solely motivated by Trump Derangement Syndrome. These are people who did not pay attention to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 08:30 AM
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It goes somewhat like this---the abuser harms the victim for a prolonged length of time. The victim lashes out, physically/behaviorally/etc. This causes the abuser to justify their previous atrocities since obviously the person who lashed out deserved it to begin with. In fact, they deserve worse now as punishment or justified retaliation for their lashing out! What's worse is they clearly understand this dynamic in other contexts. The first thing they'll do any time a woman is suspected of bein…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 01:26 AM
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I don't think we can definitively say that women are less violent and commit less crime, when it's plainly obvious that they're more able to get away with it, and thus avoid it becoming a statistic when they do it. A man can never hit a woman without it being mentally registered as a violent action by any observer. Meanwhile, it is common for a woman to be able to hit a man, and observers do not mentally register that a violent action has taken place. This bias has been studied and proven to exi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 09:28 PM
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It's really sad. I'm a cishet white dude. I have nothing to gain from it. But I've been vocally supportive of LGBT rights my whole life. I still have a copy of the letter my state's CLU sent my high school in response to my social circle notifying them of discrimination against gay students, over 25 years ago. I believe strongly in the political principle that one person's rights end where another's begins. As long as you're not harming anyone else, you get to be and live whoever/however the fuc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 08:42 PM
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which tend to posit than male violence is a result of socialisation. And they will then posit that those systems of socialization were designed by men. The reason men are socialized with toxic masculinity is because men of the past near-universally across almost every culture starting about 10,000 years ago decided to form a massive conspiracy together to organize society around the oppression of women, which required inventing these toxic gender norms, and for the past 10,000 years men have nea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 01:39 PM
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I've tried to go back and find it, but haven't been able to. It was like 5 years ago. But I'm dead certain I have seen a post over on AskFeminists which represents and boils this down elegantly. I remember the quote exactly. Seeing this get upvotes was one of those milestone moments for me in my turn against feminism. "When men rape women, it's because of toxic masculinity. When women rape men, it's because of internalized misogyny."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 11:15 AM
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The Narcissist's Prayer: That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 10:16 AM
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It is wild how often I see them react to men simply talking about their lived experience by telling the man to sit down and shut up and allow their reality to be dictated to them by someone who doesn't even know them, because having a gender studies degree or reading bell hooks or something gives them the authority to tell a guy "Your memories of your own life are wrong - it's factual according to academics that your experience is actually this". These people aren't just discrediting feminism an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 02:23 AM
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Police Brutality is the only one where you might get some purchase on framing it as a men's issue, without much backlash. And even then I'm not sure, considering how closely tangential it is to prison reform/abolition, where there's clamoring across the western world to do this *exclusively for women*. Like just a couple years ago, AOC put out a public statement praising Hawaii for their prison reforms. I looked into it, and found that that Hawaii's incarceration rate has been climbing steadily,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 10:45 AM
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I think there's validity to what you're describing here, but I'm going to offer another angle. I'm not anti-internet, anti-technology, or anti-social media, and I get really frustrated with people who are. But social media played a huge part. I've been a very online person since 1996. I saw the progression of social media from the beginning. Most people think of MySpace as the social media prototype... I had a LiveJournal back in 2000. It was around the time of Occupy that these platforms starte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 12:47 AM
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I've seen it repeated a lot around here that there's research showing women have an in-group bias, while men have an out-group bias. I've never looked into it or put much stock in it. But I have noticed that it's really common among women for them to speak about certain things as if they are collective in nature, much more than men do. Like when something happens to a minority of women, it's the same as it happening to all women. They will talk about the misfortunes of other women as if they per…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 11:27 PM
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The basic truth of the matter is that most of them don't actually believe their own rhetoric, but they know it gives them social capital. I halfway believe this. I don't believe the majority of people who call themselves feminists actually consciously think this way. But I do think the leadership of the movement thinks this way - the people who invent the rhetoric that everyone else absorbs and repeats. The Mary Koss, Margaret Atwoods, and Gloria Steinems. They absolutely know what they're doing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 11:04 PM
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Absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that it hasn't been a common occurrence throughout history. Just that it's incredibly taboo to look back on those actions historically and claim that doing so was right. Like nobody would publicly state that it's excusable. And when it is excused, it's due to some sort of re-framing. Like "Oh we actually elevated them, because before we enslaved them, they were just barbarians. So we didn't sacrifice them - we helped them, and the benefit just happened to be mu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 10:59 PM
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That's why you had prominent female figures publicly talking about being willing to "sacrifice" innocent men's reputations and even lives This is an aspect that has always stood out strongly to me. Pretty much no one would endorse any historical group who built their prosperity off sacrificing others. Yet here we have millions in the modern day openly promoting that mentality, and still insisting that we see them as morally righteous. It's fucking wild shit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 04:43 PM
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Those freedoms are important, but having those freedoms on paper doesn't mean you actually get to exercise them. I'm not well versed in what life is like for an upper class woman in Afghanistan. I know they're restricted in access to education, voting, money, etc. But that doesn't necessarily translate directly to lived experience. I imagine that despite political restrictions on their interaction with the world at large that they probably have various freedoms in actual practice that a poor man…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 09:23 PM
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That's a complex question. My statement assumes comparison between men & women in the same society, and the USA and Afghanistan are about the most separate it's possible for two societies to be in the modern world. But setting that aside, I'd have to ask... how poor is the hypothetical man in the USA? Homeless? Because police murder homeless people quite regularly here. Let me rephrase that. They regularly murder homeless men. Or if he's just capable of affording shelter, he may have control of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 07:30 PM
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I've started to see this change in recent months. ShoeOnHead put out her video about female gooners, for example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 05:13 AM
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Marxists think that a bourgeoisie woman, both historically and in modern times, is much more powerful, privileged, and influential than a proletarian man. Marxists would say the same about a woman that was part of the aristocratic class under feudalism versus a male serf, or a woman that was part of a slave-owning class or family versus a slave. One of my oft-repeated statements on this subject is that there is no place or time in the past 10,000 years where an upper class woman doesn't have mor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 05:07 AM
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What do you think we should be doing? Most of us are normal people with normal daily lives, trying to put one foot in front of the other in the midst of a collapsing society. Same as the average everyday feminist. What do you expect the average feminist to do for their movement? Does having a worldview obligate being a career activist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/25 03:37 AM
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Primarily that's the point. Workforce preparation and hobbies (cause hobbies also lead to careers). I think a good education is sufficient as workforce preparation, but workforce preparation is not necessarily sufficient as good education. When workforce education is the sole purpose of the institution, then obedience and closed mindedness become part of the curriculum (because worker drones who think for themselves are troublesome). And I think that things having moved in this direction for the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/25 10:25 AM
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You weren't seeing the same discourse a few years ago that I was, I guess. Around the time Roe v Wade was overturned. It didn't reach mainstream outlets. But just about every left-leaning person I knew, and every left-leaning social media group and aggregation feed was buzzing with it. I'm not talking fringe stuff. I'm talking groups like "Alexandria Ocasio Cortez Progressives" which has 160k followers and these posts would get thousands of upvotes and supportive comments. I have screenshots. I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/25 06:32 PM
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Pretty egregiously ignores the wild level of bodily autonomy violation that is, though. And some men are fine not reproducing, but that's not much consolation to those who do want kids and attempts to reverse the procedure fails for them. A quick google suggests that if boys are getting vasectomized at 15 and then want to get it reversed at 30, about 70% of them would fail. Add on that much of the discourse suggested that the reversal shouldn't be the man's sole decision, and should be contingen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/25 05:15 PM
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I'd say the serious discourse that was popular just a few years ago raising whether vasectomies should be a mandatory procedure for teenage boys came just a stone's throw away though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/25 04:50 PM
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I think it's demented to see the only purpose of school as preparing kids for the workforce.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/25 04:38 PM
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BTW, the whole idea of the "sexy mafioso daddy CEO" is so 2015. Yeah, we've graduated now to "Morning Glory Milking Farm" where the vampire CEO has been replaced by a anthropomorphic farm animals, and smut literature events that turn into free-for-alls of sexual assault on the industry guests and service workers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ3OPifyQZ8
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/25 04:36 PM
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This is the worst thing about all of it to me. I still hold very culturally progressive values. But the people who claim to agree with me on paper have done so much damage to the common perception of those values with their hamfisted stupid as fuck application of them over the past 10 years that when the dust settles it will likely be 50 years before they're given a chance again. I hate it so much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 06:38 PM
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It really is a coming full circle, isn't it... "We need equal rights and opportunities. We shouldn't be trapped in this gender role." "Done" "Ok..... now we need to you maintain your male protect & provide role, so that we don't have to worry about anything while we pick out only the good parts of the work life that's still unconditionally expected of you and treat them as fun & exhilarating life options for us. Worrying about danger or genuine competition is your job, and if we have to do that,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/25 03:10 AM
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"HOW DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS DEFINED IS KEY Dutch authorities define domestic violence as "violence in a dependency relationship" which risked failing to address differences in power, dependency and gender roles, GREVIO said. The "gender-neutral mantra" results in the denial of discrimination and ineffective policies, the Dutch branch of the United Nations' Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women and GREVIO told." This can only interact with the law in 2 ways. Either it means d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/25 12:21 AM
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"Misandry isn't real" as the most popular mainstream cultural icons in the world say shit like this on stage to crowds at major public events.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/25 06:50 PM
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Yeah, I don't like seeing shade thrown on the paradox of tolerance around here. The problem is dishonest application of the principle, not the principle itself. Like we wouldn't conclude that just because people in modern day dishonestly abuse the label nazi doesn't mean that fighting nazis in WW2 was the wrong thing to do. But that is the natural opposite conclusion to the paradox of tolerance. Falsifiability applies to claims about reality, not to prescriptions for ethical behavior. If there a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/25 12:07 AM
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My thinking is along the same lines. It's an effort to maintain hysteria over the idea that women are in special danger of being killed by men. It's the equivalent of running screaming into a bomb shelter, knowing that many people will simply have their "oh shit" reaction and follow you in without bothering to question whether there's actually any reason to believe bombs are about the fall. If perceived authority figures behave as if they're reacting to something, it reinforces the belief that w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/25 03:24 PM
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I've quietly cut most people out of my life since developing an intolerance for sexism towards men. I haven't figured out yet since how to manage to a social life with this new caveat. In the USA, at least, not being sexist towards men but also not being conservative puts you in this weird space where you don't fit in with the vast majority of people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 01:16 AM
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I've seen this too. I think feminists are terrified of a high profile case of a man being proven a DV victim putting a chink in their armor. They were pretty open about this anxiety when the case was fresh. Basically all the discourse from the feminist side was "OK but even if Amber was the abuser here, what about the impact this case will have on REAL VICTIMS moving forward?" The case did manage to put a dent in public opinion on the gendered nature of abuse, and inspired many other male victim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 01:04 AM
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I have literally seen a woman describe how she had to go to therapy because she wanted a relationship, but couldn't handle one because as soon as she imagined a man being attracted to her, she became disgusted with him for having sexual feelings for a woman. The idea that women are shamed more than men for their sexuality in this culture is wild.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 09:57 PM
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Yeah, I absolutely agree. It's an emotional reaction. But emotional reactions require a conscious justification structure built around them, and that's just my read on what that looks like most of the time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 04:44 PM
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Sure seems like it. Because really, "Women aren't a monolith" should naturally conclude with "So when a man complains about a common negative experience with women, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with me." But instead, "Women aren't a monolith" gets wielded as "Your experience must be an ultra-rare one-in-a-million occurrence, because I'M not like that, so if you feel the need to talk about something so insignificant as your rare one-off fluke experience as if it's a societal probl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 06:50 AM
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They are different, but related. The comparison you asked for: we would see something like incels but for women who dont get husband options so to speak, and i dont really see that happening at all Having marriage prospects and having hookup prospects are two different things. I see femcels as the women who either refuse to settle and get stuck continually using men they have no interest in with a mounting sense of frustration at their inability to find the one they want, because they get stuck …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/25 11:10 PM
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Femcels are absolutely a thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/25 09:25 PM
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The solution is for the women of this culture to develop self-awareness, frankly. That's it. Realize their double-speak attitudes about gender roles are impossible and stop quantum super-positioning in multiple lanes. If they don't find men attractive for superficial reasons, stop using narcissistic language tactics to convince those men that it's because of some moral failing on their part, and just go "Yeah I can't do it, and I understand that sucks for you. Wish you the best - sorry." Instead…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/25 09:16 PM
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He lists 3 masculine role models, and one of them is Margaret Thatcher XD And this is the sort of man-whisperer Democrats are promoting? Jesus christ.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/25 05:43 PM
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Despite having the qualifications to do so much more, they are pigeon holed into back breaking menial wage hard labor And I can just see it now. How the stock response to men pointing out that they do these jobs more is that it's because of toxic masculinity. Because they do it to feel like a macho man, under pressure from other men. And because the people who hire for those manual labor jobs target men because they're sexist against women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/25 06:44 AM
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but I havent heard many people talking on how the very notion of ideology is harming us as a whole and its being weaponized which is what I see. I have actually heard this fairly often for quite a while. But yeah, I basically agree with you about how over the past 10 years, people have regressed deeper into treating politics like a team sport. Loyalty to the team, instead of thinking for themselves. I've seen far too many instances of "You just used words that sound like the words the other side…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/25 07:57 PM
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I think your blind spot is that your stance is not uncommon, and has ideological characteristics itself. I'm here as an anarchist. I don't think rulership is necessary for organization. Which in some fashion is always going to look like government, but that doesn't have to look like a state. My first and foremost political principle is anti-authoritarianism. I also have radical leftist political positions, on paper, on basically every subject except feminism. But at the same time, I detest what …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/25 06:12 PM
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Personally, I think we should let it stand as proof of their attitude towards us having our own space and wanting basic empathy. We get to hear all day every day about how men invade their spaces.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/25 05:59 PM
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Do you have any evidence for this belief, or is it just vibes?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/25 07:51 PM
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"We should abolish capitalism. Nobody should have to work. Therefor, until we abolish capitalism, only men should work."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/25 07:50 PM
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Much of the verbiage reads just like the Wikipedia summary of the judge's decision.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/25 02:37 PM
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We know the message is that men are evil. But yes, coming out and saying that directly is still taboo. They don't say men are evil. They don't say being born a man is to be born evil. There are some that say these things, but they get publicly disowned. The acceptable messages are delivered in pieces that when put together paint a picture of "men are born innately evil", and of course we here see that. But those pieces are never supposed to be put together by the person delivering the rhetoric. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/25 05:43 PM
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I'm with you. It's why I browse and post here. Constantly being bombarded with messaging that your problems don't matter, and everyone else's problems are because of you poisons your soul over the years. It inflicts a crippling sense of being truly alone. I think the best way to respond to them is corner them to be clear on what they really think about men. If they think men are innately evil, then challenge them to just say it. Most likely they get dodgy, and try to say "Oh no, it's because of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/25 03:29 PM
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Yup. I've been buying into this conspiracy theory for a while. Not just on gender, but the entire internet being rewired within a couple years of OWS to ensure that culture war swallowed everything on all fronts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/25 06:27 AM
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I agree that I think regardless of how an IMD doodle happened, it would trigger a lot of discourse that misandrists would not get through looking like the better people. Throwing paint on an invisible person is a good analogy, because I think men's issues are what they are because feminism has managed to monopolize the conversation about them so hard. Discussion of these issues from men's perspective is so ruthlessly buried, unless it's feminist men who promote the narrative. Most of the people …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/25 04:47 PM
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No. But it peels off support from people less deeply bought into that worldview.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/25 03:45 PM
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This is how the majority of problems plaguing the world today should be approached. The modern world sucks simply because we have zero solidarity. I got in trouble with my regional director at work just the other day for responding to him asking me to take on work outside my normal job duties by asking him to communicate clearly what impact this was having on my expected responsibilities. He flipped the fuck out and nearly fired me on the spot. I explained to my lower level bosses why it was nec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/25 07:32 AM
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Been using DuckDuckGo for many years now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/25 06:43 AM
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The more people make it publicly known that we're asking Google for this, then the more it stands as proof that men don't have the illuminati power feminists claim we do when each year passes and it doesn't happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/25 05:13 PM
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Ok. I don't guess you'd care to hear stories from male victims? You probably think we barely exist. But you'll find a bunch around here, if your empathy isn't so exclusively reserved for women that you'd be open to hearing about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/25 02:40 PM
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This is pretty much my take these days as well. And not for some gender essentialist reason. I don't think women are inherently more abusive than men. I just think throughout most of the modern world, they're raised to feel they're entitled to behave however they want without consequence. Their social conditioning is that they have every right to be physically violent emotional terrorists, but if a man so much as makes an angry face he's using intimidation to control her. I would expect the same…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/25 01:47 PM
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Agreed. I don't really like Natalie herself or her personality, but I like her work. She's a genuinely independent mind, who approaches subjects with thoughtfulness and care. She regularly teaches me things and introduces me to new ideas, and that's pretty great because I have at least a passing familiarity with just about every talking point I hear from most people. I often disagree with her, but she succeeds at helping me understand her perspective, in an age where everyone else is just scream…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/25 01:29 PM
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These people literally contribute to actually predatory and reprehensible pedophiles getting away with things by making reasonable people so sick of hearing about it that they stop believing/caring whenever the word is invoked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 03:32 AM
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Vaush is kind of a piece of shit. I watched him sometimes for a while a few years ago, but grew wise that he was doing the streamer thing of manufacturing fake drama with other personalities for engagement. And that he had a habit of half-assedly bringing people on to debate who weren't capable of challenging his positions at all, because they were either dumb as hell or terrible at expressing themselves. The final straw was when he openly admitted that he knows nothing about the Julian Assange …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 03:28 AM
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While the bodily autonomy of someone to not use a vaccine does It’s also about harm Agreed, but it's not as simple as that. That harm can go both directions. Harm can be done to people under the guise of medical practice, and people need to be able to decide for themselves when they are suspicious of such, even if it means they will be wrong sometimes. In the case of the Covid vaccine, which I received myself, I believe people were overwhelmingly wrong about their conspiracy theories. But the co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/25 04:34 PM
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I think I've mentioned to you before - I am an anarchist. Anti-authoritarianism is my first principle and highest value. The modern left is very authoritarian, and only postures otherwise when it's rhetorically convenient. Just watch when the same people who frame abortion in terms of absolutism about bodily autonomy drop that principle hard when it comes to vaccines. And to be clear, I'm pro-vaccination. But principles are principles. And yeah, the attitudes towards youth are absolutely insane.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/25 01:47 PM
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It's like bullying a kid on the playground and pressuring all the other kids to laugh at them with you lest they also find themselves a target, and when the bullied kid cries about being lonely telling them "wtf are you talking about just make friends dude"... and queuing all the other kids to laugh again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/25 02:45 PM
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I specified that people should be able to establish those legal benefits with each other independent of marriage. So if someone wants to get married, they can do so for the cultural reasons, and then get those legal benefits as a separate process. The end result being completely identical. It's people who want access to some of those legal benefits without having to buy the full package that are being deprived of something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/25 11:20 AM
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... how?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/25 09:21 AM
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I feel like most folks here come from MRA perspectives which view feminism as wrong or harmful I get the impression that you see the anti-feminist sentiment here as coming from people who view feminism this way because they are MRAs first, and their opinion of feminism has been formed from the beginning by an antagonistic outsider lens. I think I've been reading this sub for about 4 years, and my impression is that the majority of people making anti-feminist posts are the opposite of that. They'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/25 07:25 PM
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More important than the answers to any of these questions is to just make it be equal. All genders held to the same standards of behavior with the same consequences for misbehavior. Unrealistic/unfair standards can only persist when one group doesn't see the problem because the rule isn't being applied to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/25 06:50 PM
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Did you look at my citation? And that's just one case. There have been others that have since extended that precedent outside of Kansas, with more egregious crimes. The women in these cases may or may not face consequences for child molestation. But even if she does, she can still sue her victim for child support. I quoted the court's reasoning in my post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/25 03:54 PM
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I don't want to deprive people of anything. I just want marriage turned into a non-legal matter. Whoever wants to have a ceremony and consider themselves married according to whatever tradition they prefer doesn't matter to me. But the legal aspects of marriage should be available to people who don't get married, and itemized instead of being one package. All the stuff regarding parentage, joint assets, medical decisions, caretaking, health insurance, etc should be things that people can elect t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 02:44 AM
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I don't think that answers my question. what is the actual distinction you're trying to get people to recognize, and its consequence for the subject at hand? Maybe a more apt comparison is "All Christians believe in hell, and that they thus have a moral imperative to convert non-believers to save them from hell" Maybe every Christian sect varies in its exact ideas about what hell is like, or what criteria a person must meet in order to avoid going to hell. But that doesn't have much relevance to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 05:49 PM
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What are you actually wanting here? If feminists disagree on details, but still mostly engage in the same spreading falsehoods about male victimization, spewing bile at young men, supporting female abusers, etc what is the actual distinction you're trying to get people to recognize, and its consequence for the subject at hand?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 05:09 PM
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I see the downvotes here, and want to remind everyone that marriage is a contract with the state in exchange for certain rights, such as the ability to make medical decisions for each other and the like. You can have whatever sort of relationship you want to have independently of being married. I honestly don't understand why anyone who isn't doing so for religious reasons should care to uphold marriage as an institution.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 03:55 PM
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If the patriarchy theory is fundamental to the feminist ideology, then I can't associate with any feminist what-so-ever, because unconsciously, I'm gonna be the patriarchy to them despite not being a powerful person myself. Almost every feminist will portray patriarchy as the idea that the majority of men deliberately conspired amongst each other to oppress the majority of women, and have maintained that conspiracy for 10,000 years. They'll talk about men in modern day and throughout history "ch…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 02:32 PM
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I support gender equality. I think men & women should be held to equal standards of behavior - the same rules, and the same consequences for breaking those rules. I think men & women should find equal opportunity in all aspects of society. I think everyone should be able to behave and present themselves socially however they please, regardless of their gender identity or accidents of birth, so long as they're not harming anyone else. I don't believe feminism stands for these things. I think femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 02:10 PM
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On the other hand, I think most of us would largely agree with liberal feminism. Liberal feminism emphasizes how gender socialization harms people regardless of gender, and believes gender inequality is largely culturally driven, and caused by society as a whole, and not just men. Liberal feminists tend to have a less oversimplified view of gender inequality. Liberal feminism emphasizes individual freedom and equal rights. I have met very, very few feminists in the past 15 years who fit this des…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 02:02 PM
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Being a good person in your interactions with others is just generally the key to making a better world. This transcends any specific political issue such as men's rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 02:12 PM
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Maybe if, as he claimed repeatedly in this interview, he doesn't know much about this subject, he shouldn't be signing his name onto stuff like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/25 08:06 PM
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I've experienced a different catch-22, where you have to talk about your traumatic experiences in order to have permission to speak on a related subject, but then in talking about them, you get negatively accused of trauma dumping.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/25 12:37 AM
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I only just recently learned that the very label of Napoleon Complex is almost certainly a product of propaganda. It's thought today that Napoleon was actually of average height, and depictions of him as a short man with a complex were just run of the mill mockery by a political cartoonist that gained popularity. https://www.history.com/articles/napoleon-complex-short
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/25 12:13 AM
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I don't even have words for wtf this shit is. And nobody saw fit to push back on or even downvote this weird racist slop. In a sane sub this would've been straight up nuked and the commenter banned long ago. Did you downvote this? Because it's pretty rare for any post that gets any up/downvote interaction to remain perfectly balanced at 1. Edit: Also just noticed this example comment was posted 6 days after the OP thread post. Which means probably just no one read it. It looks like pretty much a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/25 08:30 PM
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Advocating for not caring about class war issues just because they aren't gendered. How very left wing of us. Never mind the fact that these issues disproportionately affect men in the first place. I see I'm being used as one of your examples here. But I think you're massively misrepresenting what I said in my post, in a way that relates to this entire debate over focus. I in no way advocated that we shouldn't care about class war issues. I am in fact quite the self-admitted class reductionist i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/25 08:24 PM
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I think what Parking Scar is trying to say about tone policing revolves around integrity. About making sure we don't fly off the handle and emotionally shotgun hatred and rage all over the place, like feminists do. It's not about repressing our emotions. It's about keeping ourselves in line in terms of fairness, consistency, etc. Making sure we don't find ourselves represented by crazy talk, narcissistic logic, collateral damage, etc. Feminism =/= women For example, yes, you're exactly right. I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 09:39 PM
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I have various thoughts on this. I come here to specifically talk about gendered issues. I think conservative politics are just generally universally terrible for everyone. Yes, they promote traditional gender roles, and those are terrible for men and women both in ways that are unique to them. But it's still just universally terrible to the point that it feels pointless to talk about. I don't even feel like the gendered ways in which their politics harm men uniquely make up a significant portio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 08:21 PM
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I'm fed up with it enough that I simply won't vote for someone who engages in this sort of rhetoric. Given the choice between Mein Kampf or Men Kampf, I just won't vote. These gender politics aren't just offensive. They have real tangible consequences, and I see them as responsible for the worst experiences I've had in my life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 04:27 PM
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Fast forward to 2016, and the world is freaking the fuck out about Gamergate and Trump. And I slowly become aware that the type of language I'd been using for forever was starting to show up everywhere. I find lots of people are starting to call themselves anarchists and anti-capitalists. Lots of people are talking about racist policing. Etc. Even people I'd known who had argued with me for a long time were starting to sound like me, on a surface level. But the spirit of this movement that's ari…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 05:57 AM
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I can't say I've ever really been involved in a movement. If my life hadn't been captured by an abusive partner from an early age, I probably would have been deeply involved in activism. But I was stuck facing crisis at home, and trying to raise kids under horrible circumstances from 2004 on. But throughout the 2000's and early 2010's, I was the most outspokenly political and radical person I knew. People thought I was stupid and naive, but then I was pretty much always able to back up my positi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 05:56 AM
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Anarchist since the 90's here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 04:11 AM
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They love us. They want us. And that's why they're always talking about how much they hate us. Reminds me of a meme I first encountered in 2018 (by someone re-sharing a post by a pornstar, ironically), and have seen making the rounds periodically ever since. "Proof that sexuality isn't a choice. It's insert year, and women are still attracted to men." Like the perfect expression of your point there, straight from their own mouths.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 04:09 AM
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To be honest, I have no idea why that comment got downvotes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 03:53 AM
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that sort of paralogy misses the point of how these medical advances were accomplished: A lot of dead men were experimented on This doesn't get mentioned enough. I see the complaint very often that prior to the 60's or thereabouts, medical trials and drug testing were only conducted on men, and this is held up as an example of The Patriarchy harming women. But rarely does anyone point out to them, and I've never once seen them respond to the counterpoint that this is about the time that ethics s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/25 07:52 PM
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I'll just come out and say with full transparency, I haven't been to a doctor for myself in over 10 years, because I'm simply too exhausted and unmotivated. I also live paycheck to paycheck, and if I were to find I have some serious issue, I would simply feel overwhelmed and not able to do much about it anyway. Between finding out I have cancer and being depressed about it and struggling for however long, and my health simply plummeting out of nowhere one day and dying suddenly, which one sounds…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/25 02:52 PM
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women dont complain about something that they have no difficulty in getting Very true. That is something I consider, and what I said isn't something I can back up. It's just an impression. tho i dont know how to translate all that about kids and recording abuse to guys who cant get a date, as its just really hard to get across these type of experiences if you havent been in similar situations or know how they are.... I know... it's difficult to get across to anyone who hasn't witnessed or been t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/25 05:48 PM
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i dont think i was exactly demonising your ex or women in general or that i impled that you were doing that but wheter she was a victim I didn't think you were. But it is a common reaction to these sorts of stories. i genuinely cant get past the absolute lack of accountability that women get compared to the hyperagency men get I 100% agree. I just want society to be consistent. If we're going to be forgiving or damning, let's not be selective about it. But the majority of people will twist thems…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/25 05:46 PM
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My ex is/was someone who is capable of great compassion and sacrifice for others as well. And 5 years post-separation, she's changed immensely and is near fully aware and apologetic about how she treated me and our kids. She's put a lot of effort into making amends over the last couple years, and just the feeling of her presence in a room is the opposite of what it used to be. It's just a shame it couldn't happen sooner, and I blame society for that, for disempowering me from doing what was nece…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/25 10:25 PM
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but if you could allow me to ask you about something, i personally interact with a lot of incels or guys who have issues with wanting to date women but not having any luck with it, would you have any advice for them based on your situation? not in like how to date better or anything but some words you would have for a man desperate to be desired or validated by a woman, i imagine these would be the last thing on your mind with all the stuff you have been thru but if you had something to say i wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/25 10:24 PM
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Calling Trumpism "a movement of insecure men", framing male insecurity itself as a political threat, and advocating that men be attacked for their insecurities as a political strategy is a heck of a lot more going on than one guy being called short.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/25 01:51 AM
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We really need to pay close attention to this application of the term "gender-based violence". I have seen it suddenly crop up everywhere the last few years, and erasure of male victims is clearly the end to which this terminology has been adopted. As seen also with the way male victims in the UK are being counted in statistics as victims of violence against women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/25 12:59 AM
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Thanks. And oh man. I forgot to mention another instance where I tried to tell a doctor about what was going on. We had an ER visit, because he had a severe episode of ketoacidosis. I explained to the doctor that my son was suicidal and why, as the root cause of our visit. The (female) doctor leaned over my son in the hospital bed, and asked him in a baby-speak mocking voice "Oooooh are you suicidal? Do you want to kill yourself?" And then didn't even give him the chance to respond to her. She i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/25 12:17 AM
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Just pushing to your notification that someone else seconded your request, and I replied to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/25 12:10 AM
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There was one night I had the opportunity to just run. My wife was going to a show a distance away. She was going to be gone for a predictable few hours, and I had a week's worth of advance knowledge of this. I made arrangements with my parents to help me move out quickly that night while she was gone and leave with the kids. But my sister talked to a friend whose dad is a cop. She passed word back to us that if I went through with that plan, it would be considered kidnapping. So I cancelled tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/25 11:36 PM
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And her emotional terrorism just got continually worse over time. More and more impossible to have an actual conversation with about anything. More quickly resorting to threats and screaming. We had a major fight in 2010, when we started to become friends with another couple. And the very first time I was ever alone with one of them (this being only the 3rd time in 10 years I'd been in a social situation outside of work/school without my wife present), they told me they were very uncomfortable w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/25 11:36 PM
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Despite this, when that kid was around 6 years old (and to be fair, I was working full time at this point), she decided she wanted to put him on ADHD medications. She insisted he was hyper-active and had a problem. And of course I'd spent more time with the kid than she had, and had more experience with kids (I'm the oldest of 4). I knew that our kid's behaviors were pretty normal. He just had totally normal little kid energy. I was vehemently against this. But it was too much for her. She made …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/25 11:36 PM
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You guys asked for it. TLDR incoming. I don't know how else to impart this to you. My ex was extremely emotionally unstable. I'm very certain she had undiagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder. I can confidently say she meets at least 7 of the 9 diagnostic criteria, and only 5 are required for a diagnosis. She came into my life in the year 2000, and I learned in the early 2000's, before we had our first kid, that my state has a mandatory arrest policy targeting men in response to domestic calls…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/25 11:35 PM
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Yeah. I'm a 42 year old guy, and my kids are 20 and 16. I'm well beyond the "toddler-wrangling" years. I've been through it. Their mother objectively has had a much, much, much easier time as a parent as a result of the tools offered to her by society, but not to me, which were largely at my expense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/25 07:50 AM
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Politicians are leadership figures. They can't control how normal people behave, but they can influence. I'd argue that's one of the two most basic roles of a leader. Setting the tone for what the movement they're leading represents, and what's considered acceptable behavior. If they get dropped by their movement for doing so, then either the movement can't be saved from itself, or that politician lacked a basic leadership quality. The right's done it. Today's rhetoric among the right is a direc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/25 03:18 AM
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Honestly, it's getting to the point where my brain shuts off the moment I hear people talk about helping men re-define masculinity, or positive male role models for boys, etc. I can no longer see it as anything but desperate attempts to plug their ears and scream, as we try to talk about how much overt hatred we encounter on a daily basis for our gender, and how lacking we are in basic human rights regarding reproduction, parenting, self-defense, presumption of innocence, bodily autonomy, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 06:30 PM
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This is about insecure masculinity, and one of the best ways that you can dismantle a movement of insecure men is by making fun of them. This isn't about people feeling like less of a man because she insulted a man's height. She directly frames conservative politics as being a product of insecure men. There's no room for misinterpretation here. She literally speaks the phrase "a movement of insecure men". I don't deny that some men have insecurities that factor into their political views. But to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 05:06 PM
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> But neutrals will. no Umm... ok... *shrug* that movement doesn't display contempt to leftist men Yeah, and there's also black republicans. One both sides if you nod and smile as the movement villainizes people for sharing your traits of birth, you get to be "one of the good ones". also, politics is often about voting for who is the least bad It's also about more than voting. The leftist man might go vote for the least bad. But they're probably not going to go involve in organizing where they h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 03:15 PM
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You can go low and still remain focused on things that have anything to do with the reasons their politics are bad. What AOC is promoting as political strategy here just frames it as inherently wrong and worthy of being attacked for a man to experience insecurity, and to ignore all the things they DO that are actually wrong that their feet can be held to fire over, in favor of focusing on them being men who are insecure. This framing sincerely makes it an open question to me whether their heart …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 03:00 PM
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This is the first I've actually watched the original clip from AOC, and it's even worse than I imagined. The talk about it had left me thinking she just passively dropped a bad form insult about a political opponent being short. But no. She's actually framing it as an inherently bad thing for a man to experience insecurity, believes that insecurity is the reason that men adopt right-wing politics, and proposes as a political strategy that we attack men for experiencing the emotion of insecurity.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 02:47 PM
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The horrendously callous and mind-blowingly hypocritical and stupid things people called in to confidently say that day was such a bad show it could make nazis look reasonable by comparison. I've actually had arguments with self-described nazis whose stances on racial minorities were more self-aware than the people who confronted Destiny that day. It's hard to put my disgust into words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 02:32 PM
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Heck even male feminists like the streamer Hasan makes fun of Destiny for being bisexual. It's unbelievable to me that Hasan is a popular figure in the first place. I've never seen a clip of that guy where he even sounds intelligent for a second. My first exposure to him was debating Destiny about the Deadmoth thing, where his only advice for a man being attacked by a woman was to "roll up into a ball". While I've never gone out of my way to watch him after that, he's difficult to avoid, and I'v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 02:18 PM
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True. You got one there. Which makes it darkly ironic that it was such a popular feminist talking point for a while to flip that one item against us by making it mandatory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/25 02:13 AM
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And Bernie Sanders has done town halls on Fox News.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 08:48 PM
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Legally, not really. Not when women can rape men, and demand child support from their rape victims. Even adult women who rape children. If the law supports that women can violate a man's consent, and then legally require him to completely alter the course of his life to support the consequence of that violation, then telling men they can choose to keep it in their pants doesn't even carry any legal weight. I can choose to keep it in my pants, and still end up with 18 years of my life dominated b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:59 PM
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Or it's that the structure of storytelling generally requires there to be some sort of conflict (man vs nature, man vs self, man vs man, etc), and violence is the most accessible symbolic representation of conflict, especially "man vs man" conflict. More high brow stories that focus on exclusively social conflict without violence require a lot more sophistication to portray with equivalent excitement and tension, and will often be lost on more basic mass audiences. And much art is concerned with…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:49 PM
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more and more turned to online dating services that at least protect them from social and relational retaliation against them for simply trying to make connections To reinforce this statement: I have encountered the statement multiple times at this point that any instance of a man cold approaching a woman in a neutral setting is sexual harassment, specifically because dating apps exist now. Because dating apps exist, women are able to consent to being approached by putting themselves in a positi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:38 PM
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And their argument is "But it's about the well-being of the child! That should be the priority!" But when it's about women, their argument is "But why should the woman be forced to sacrifice for the child!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:04 PM
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Do you go to feminist forums and go "What is there to address though?" when they do cultural analysis of men's attitudes and behavioral norms towards women? Because that's something they do... like a lot. And it's the same as what you're referencing here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 06:43 PM
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You're reducing a vast, complex issue to a tiny soundbite. Women having unilateral control over whether men become fathers or not, partially expressed through abortion access, impacts men's lives in many more ways that are much more common experiences than simply whether or not our wives die to dangerous pregnancies or not. Abortion is healthcare, but it is not ONLY healthcare.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 06:28 PM
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Law enforcement generally doesn't assume the victim according to gender. Sorry about your experience with your mother. This right here is enough already for me to see your approach to this sub as bad faith. Making antagonistic statements with a confident, definitive tone, when it's something you clearly have no knowledge of. As I have had to tell a disturbing number of people lately for some reason, literally just go look at the Duluth Model's own website - https://www.theduluthmodel.org/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 06:08 PM
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You sound like you've barely glanced at this specific sub, and are just complaining about "the manosphere" generally. Aspects of which you'll find criticism and debate over here, as this sub is explicitly about left-wing perspective on men's issues, which doesn't align with a lot of the "manosphere" culture it sounds like you're referencing. Which isn't to say that there's a great deal of ideological alignment around here, and we don't get participants who join in from that angle. But if you loo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 05:51 PM
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I think it would be a valid complaint if attention to women's issues weren't as prominent as it is. It's like we have plenty of people on this sub who are pro-choice, vote pro-choice, have participated in pro-choice demonstrations. But I don't think it's necessary that we pro-actively foster discussions centered on promoting pro-choice stances, because there is already tons and tons of highly visible discussion and activism focused on this throughout society. It's one of THE most talked about po…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 05:48 PM
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I gotta say, I don't like the "family abolition" talk that's gaining ground these days. The way I usually see it talked about really sounds like a polite way of describing a society in which women get full authority over whether a father is allowed to have a relationship with his child or not, and the people who talk about it usually frame a father's desire to have a relationship with his child as an expression of patriarchal oppression. I have never seen family abolition described as anything o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 03:22 PM
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I think it could work by consent where a father has a window to notify the mother of his abstention therefore leaving the mother the choice to have the baby or not And if the father surpasses the window he may have to assume responsibility as it would be unfair on everyone else I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what most people on this sub promote. What we're mad about is that feminists typically roll their eyes at any attempt to talk about this, or are actively against this idea. They quite …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 01:39 PM
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Hell, men's reproductive rights situation is so bad, that the Kansas supreme court has ruled that an adult woman can rape a male child, and then legally sue their victim for child support as soon as they turn 18. And this ruling has been used as legal precedent outside of Kansas. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer) The court also ruled that a mother's potential culpability under criminal statutes was of no relevance in determining the father's child support liability in a civil a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 01:32 PM
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Thank you for saying all of this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 08:37 AM
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I didn't know this until a few years ago, either. When I came across a reddit post by a woman asking men if they'd ever been asked this by a doctor, because she'd just found out that men she knew had never heard of this. She was surprised, because it's just a routine thing she'd taken for granted her whole life. Of course the thread was loaded with comments from men responding that they'd never been asked, and hadn't ever heard that asking women was routine. And even if you pro-actively inform y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 06:18 PM
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When I was in junior high in the mid-90's, I did a speech in speech class about sensationalism driving fear culture in the news, and its negative impacts on society. I called the news a more self-important Jerry Springer. I'm 42, and this has been an issue that was recognizable to me since I was a kid. My entire working life, I've listened to co-workers just about every day cluck amongst each other about "OMG did you hear about that rape/murder that was reported today? What's the world coming to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 05:43 PM
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First response: Policy follows culture. Got to change minds before we can change much else. And the kind of stuff we talk about here is pretty well suppressed in most places. Second response: This is a sentiment I've seen directed at people who talk about politics online for at least 20 years. But it's based on an assumption that anyone who talks about politics online doesn't do anything else political in their lives. Which is just that. A weird assumption. Third response: There's nothing wrong …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 03:56 PM
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That relationship ended 5 years ago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 01:24 PM
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Only underrated among women. It's a near-universal meme among men that when one of the squad gets a girlfriend, you might as well hold a funeral for him, because he's gone. What I've seen in my life experience is that it's the norm for women to be controlling of their male partner's social lives. Not to the total extent that I experienced, but to an extent that would be considered abusive if gender-swapped. It's been so normalized for so long, that everybody's favorite internet feminist, Anita S…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 09:17 PM
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Towards the end of my abusive relationship, I found myself physically incapable of saying things that I wanted to and tried to say. There was nothing left to say that I hadn't said many times before. I knew what her response would be. I knew it was futile. But beyond that, after years of experience, I would pre-emptively feel her rise in emotional intensity, and anticipate the long night of passive aggressive punishment that would follow. And if I tried to will myself to say certain things that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 06:35 PM
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True. There will be real life examples for every one of these statements, where they are true in the case of that example. But when women/feminists throw them around as blanket statements like "When men act like this, you should see it as ____", it leaves us in a position where it's basically impossible not to be demonized. Yell. Don't yell. Whichever way, we'll be not merely insulted, but made out to be a bad person. There's basically zero concern for collateral damage when it comes to men, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 06:23 PM
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He should never raise his voice under any circumstances. But also, not raising his voice is cold and manipulative. He's not being open and vulnerable. He's trying to make the woman look and feel hysterical next to his calm, calculated demeanor. He thinks that just because he's not yelling, that makes him right, which is misogynistic. I've seen these takes too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 05:57 PM
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I take similar issue with the way you're using the term incel here. Your usage of the term is inherently anti-male. Its literal meaning is someone who wants a relationship, but is failing to get one. To be unable to find a relationship should be a neutral thing that one doesn't deserve judgment for, man or woman. Yes, there is a specific subculture of people who self-identify strongly with being incels who have constructed a misogynistic belief system. That subculture is a very small subsection …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 05:16 PM
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I don't know. What kind of other thoughts are you looking for?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 05:47 PM
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Of course that sentiment vanishes if the subject is domestic abuse. "But women are more likely to be killed by their partners! The damage to male victims is mostly emotional, while women are LITERALLY DYING." The gaslighting is just so fucking brazen... I'm convinced they've evolved the ability to flick their belief in their own words on and off at convenience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 04:37 PM
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Honestly... nobody *explicitly* left-wing comes to mind. And it's fucking tragic. I'm going to ignore the "manosphere" qualifier in your request, and just take it as any leftist who is pro-male. Once upon a time, I would have said Philosophy Tube... but... well... Philosophy Tube in 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeGEv0YVLtw vs... looks like she deleted the original trailer where every single time she says "a man" she leans forward and yells "A MAAAAN". But the ones she left up are still …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/25 05:47 PM
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I'll never be a MAGA or a blackpill edgelord, but I'm endlessly, endlessly frustrated with the types of people who will interject on this point with shit like "Oh so all it takes is some women to say some mean things for you to be against them having rights, huh?" It's such a sign of how deranged and bereft of principles our social fabric has become that you have to cover your ass with a statement like this. Because no, I'm just against bad behavior, no matter who's doing it - period. Bad behavi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 10:57 PM
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That's basically where I've been the last couple years, and it's fucking incredible to watch the modern left continue to be so willfully oblivious to their own bigotry and self-sabotage. These people can be so eloquent and intelligent on so many things, but when it's about men, they suddenly regress to sounding like 10 year old playground bullies. It's so bewildering, it's had me rethinking my whole perspective on humanity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 04:38 PM
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It's really a shame, because I used to love AOC. But she's given too much to the toxic aspects of the left side of the culture war for me to like her much anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 04:26 PM
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Fortunately several surveys have shown that's not the general view of the public, we just desperately need the law to catch up. I'm often suspicious of certain people on this point. Because there are so many who will claim to disagree with the legal definitions. But then they'll use crime statistics, a product of those definitions, to argue their agendas. I think there are many who aren't being fully honest when they say they disagree with the legal definitions, only because they know they are i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 03:09 PM
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I honestly can't think of any reason for the definition of rape to focus so much on penetration, other than to exclude male victims. Here's my go at a better definition. It's really not hard. Sexual Assault: Things done for sexual gratification that involve the participation of someone not consenting. Rape: Things done for the purpose of, or that would normally be for the purpose of, achieving orgasm in one of the participants, with one of the participants not consenting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/25 06:48 PM
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I've listened to that interview, and here is a link to it. https://soundcloud.com/889-wers/male-rape Text transcription doesn't do it justice. Her reaction and rhetoric are so cold and brazen, it is seriously like listening to a nazi propagandist. When I look up feminist opinions of her, they will disown her opinions and methods when pressed..... and then turn right around and continue quoting her statistics, or others based on her same methods. Recognizing that was one of my turning points.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/25 06:44 PM
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Observing that one of the most common rhetoric points that one will find feminists most often repeating was literally invented by nazis as a dishonest strategy to foment hate against Jews is arguing with their points directly. It's not like we don't argue with their other points, too. We don't stop at pointing this out. But what are we supposed to do? Just ignore that we all see Der Giftpilz directed at us every day?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/25 06:37 PM
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I've spent half an hour reading through HeForShe's website. The entire thing is 100% hate ideology, just cloaked in sanitized language. It posits gender equality as entirely a project of getting men to stop oppressing women, and only acknowledges men facing one single problem: not being able to express their feelings. Which is a really convenient issue to direct exclusive focus to, when the same initiative wants to view every other issue exclusively effecting women, such as "gender-based violenc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/25 06:28 PM
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The Duluth Model was one flawed 1980s framework Imagine this was about critiquing capitalism. The discussion makes frequent mention of neoliberalism, and you attempt to handwave with "Neoliberalism was one flawed 1970's framework, critiqued by capitalists themselves". What a monumentally vacuous statement that would be, right? HeForShe I don't know that much about HeForShe, to be honest. Let's have a look at this. When launching the movement in September 2014, Watson delivered an address at the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/25 06:28 PM
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Bad analogy unless you really expect me to believe Trudeau and Biden were elected primarily because people (including many millions of men) wanted and expected them to make men's issues harder to address? And why do you suddenly laser focus on those two individuals out of all the other mentions? head of groups in India, Israel, or named Mary P Koss. Or important enough in NOW Who wouldn't retain their positions of influence over the course of decades if people didn't like what they did with it? …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 04:41 AM
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I don't generalize people by immutable characteristics at all. Accidents of birth are no excuse for making any sort of assumption about anyone. But consciously chosen associations are a different story. And even then, I don't automatically have a problem with anyone who calls themself a feminist. I support gender equality. Many people who call themselves feminist only do so because they believe the term means nothing more than a belief in gender equality. The criticisms I've been talking about h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 04:36 AM
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You mention what happens in the military, I literally point you directly to one of the causes of what happens to men in the military, and you flip the table. I've never claimed you're wrong that men had issues before feminism or have issues independent of feminism. But you insist despite tangible receipts to the contrary that our complaints about feminism are nothing more than getting ragebaited by tiktoks. Your complaint about me right here is 100% projection.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 03:42 AM
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And those people with actual power have those positions because... ... of the support of much larger numbers of people with those opinions among the population, yeah? Imagine saying "I don't get why people care about votes. Votes don't matter. What matters is the actions of politicians with actual power."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 03:25 AM
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I've had a feminist guest in my house yell at me just because I politely asked her if we could avoid feminism as a subject while she was there. Her half hour meltdown involved at one point getting in my face and asking if I'd ever been raped, and when I said yes, she responded "Yeah, well so have I... REAL RAPE." This wasn't some rando. She was the sister of one of my best friends I met in college and have known for 20 years. Another friend I've known since high school, about 25 years. He used t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 03:17 AM
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Yeah. The APA guidelines for men being drenched in feminist theory that trains therapists to shame and convert them instead of treat them is because of capitalism. That makes a lot of sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 02:47 AM
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https://www.theduluthmodel.org/about-us/recognitions/ 1992 The National Training Project contracts with the US Marine Corps to develop a Marine Corps Intervention Model in spouse assault cases. MPDI is funded to coordinate work of interagency council on children and battered women on issues of custody and visitation (Custody/Visitation Special Project).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 02:43 AM
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We should be talking about reforms that make the criminal justice system less biased and more fair. https://www.theduluthmodel.org/ Biases like this one? It's kind of a big deal. If you don't understand why, then I'm happy for you that you've never had to, as a man, try and protect your kids from an abusive mother. As a man, it's the worst thing that has ever happened to me in my life, and completely occupied over a decade of my life, and this is directly attributable to feminism. And it gets ki…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 11:24 PM
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that movement having a lot of powerful influence in modern society, and even outright control over major institutions . a handful of feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 09:21 PM
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Yes. I'm challenging the validity of the analogy. Edit: On the one hand, you have language efforts to superficially virtue signal hollow sensitivity, while ignoring the causes of issues faced by Hispanic people. On the other hand, you have feminists convincing the public to have negative attitudes towards men, to unfairly blame them for the world's problems, frame them as oppressors, and see that male victims are treated as abusers. And that movement having a lot of powerful influence in modern …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 08:14 PM
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So bringing attention to the way feminists, for example, will use inconsistent language and mental gymnastics to justify legal discrimination against men in DV law is equivalent to trying to get people to use the word LatinX. Ok. Have fun.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 07:18 PM
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Depends on what time and place you're thinking of. I imagined "before feminism" in the context of feminism's impact on DV policy, as comparing DV response immediately before and after feminism began to have that influence in the places where that influence first began - UK and USA. My understanding is that early to mid-20th century attitudes regarding DV in those places, socially and in law enforcement, is that it was a personal matter that was usually best not to get involved in. From a male pe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 07:13 PM
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They weren't systemically discriminated against by the institutions that respond to DV.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 04:58 PM
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Agreed, and that is similar to the point I was making, to be clear. That the sorts of issues OP is telling us to focus on are not inherently gendered issues. There's no reason for homelessness or education to be men's issues. They are because rhetoric, the thing he's telling us not to focus on, motivates people to treat men in a way that causes the issue to be gendered. Or rhetoric frames an issue in a way that makes it appear gendered when it isn't, and thus manipulate how people approach it. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 04:56 PM
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Yes, we should want to solve things like economic and educational hurdles. Why are economic and educational hurdles men's issues? The economy and education are not inherently gendered. Homelessness. Why does what should be a class issue look like a gendered issue? You may disagree, but I think it's because of the rhetoric. Because our society is immersed in rhetoric that teaches people to have less empathy for men. To de-humanize men. And to prioritize women as a result, because naturally if the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 01:42 PM
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It is a batterer intervention program. It is not a law, statute, or requirement. It does not prescribe arresting anyone. The Duluth Model's own official website and youtube channel debunk this at a glance. Do you have a good source that explains how the Duluth Model works? From what I can see, it's about re-education of batterers, which doesn't seem to be related to who gets arrested, and certainly doesn't seem to require arresting the man in a DV situation - much less when the man is the victim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 04:56 PM
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Yes, there are people who believe you can change your mind as to whether you actually consented or not after the fact.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 11:21 AM
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Read my recent post history, where I talk about the Duluth Model, and the impact it's had on my life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/25 10:20 AM
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What did you think about the responses you got to your Duluth Model question? Would you not agree that it makes sense for me to have such an attitude towards feminism after reading my story? Feminism is the direct cause of the worst things that have happened to me in my life, and the men's issues that are most important to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 07:28 AM
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And the pushback not getting dogpiled with vitriol like it does when it happens in feminist spaces. To be fair, I think that does happen here sometimes. But it's still a stark contrast. For my part, my opinion on patriarchy theory depends on who's talking about it. When feminists talk about patriarchy, their meaning is usually that throughout history since the invention of agriculture, the majority of men have conspired amongst themselves to oppress women for the benefit of men, and that all men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 07:21 AM
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Plenty of other female celebrities, too, though not as strongly associated with MeToo, who have been caught or accused or openly self-admitted to sexual misbehavior. Crickets. Katy Perry. Cardi B. Amy Schumer. Or you can go on Tik Tok and easily find videos of random women openly bragging about being rapists. Nobody goes after them like they would if a man did the same. Or look at how commonly understood it is that women are far less respectful of their partner's privacy than men are. Showing of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 07:08 AM
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Analyzing the speech and behavior of leadership figures and major organizations, with the implication that they wouldn't be those things if they weren't popular, is completely incomparable to pointing out the behaviors of average nobodies. Trying to make that comparison makes it rather hard to believe you're being good faith right now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/25 12:32 PM
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I think it's kind of intellectually lazy to call it cherry picking In feminist spaces, you will find them gassing each other up with talk like what OP is criticizing in his list all the time, and anybody who does criticize that talk getting dogpiled. As a former feminist who used to hang out in such spaces, that is 100% what happens. OP's list is not cherry picked from rando internet nobodies. They are leadership figures and major organizations, and doing/saying these things doesn't damage their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/25 11:47 AM
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Honestly, the left was winning the culture war quite handily through the late 90's to early 2010's. We used to dominate the internet, in a way that I think was natural and innate to an open internet. I grew up in a closed off world, where the only narrative available about "others" was that fed to people by their authority figures. That was a world easily subject to bigotry and authoritarianism. When someone got online, those narratives were smashed instantly, upon being freely connected to peop…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 06:07 PM
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"Rape is worse than murder" + "Rape is rape no nuance" + "Believe women" + "Rape is about power, and it's therefor extremely unlikely for a woman to rape a man due to physical strength disparity and male privilege" An absolutely horrifying time to live as a man. And it's only getting worse, with the newer discourse about retroactive withdrawal of consent gaining steam.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 10:13 AM
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You engaged in good faith. This is why I was shocked when you made that post. And I agree with both you and Schala at the same time through most of your discussion. I think for the most part you're arguing past each other. You are correct that it's important for women to have equal access to the workplace and financial institutions. To have the means of financial independence available to them to not be trapped in bad situations because they are dependent. I agree that this happened to many wome…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 09:05 AM
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If you’re going to pretend that men and women experience similar forms of IPV then I’m not interested in engaging with this discussion any further. From our perspective, this is basically a big "fuck you". You're ideologically committed to seeing things a certain way. You cite stats to justify your ideological conviction, but openly state you're not willing to engage in questioning of those stats. How they're constructed, or differing interpretations of them. When the framework you're operating …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 01:36 AM
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And I can't find evidence that the Duluth model = always arresting the man, from what I can tell the Duluth model is like court mandated education on power/control. So you haven't even looked at their official website. I can only interpret "can't find" as "I haven't looked for 30 seconds". I'm sorry if I'm repeatedly coming off as insulting. That's not normally my style. But it's sincerely unbelievable to me. I'm going to share some things from their official website. Not just one page tucked aw…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/25 10:56 PM
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but it is also an entire document on ... how to support men and male victims I think it's really ironic that the document contains this sentence under the section titled Identification and Reporting -- "Male victims may be less likely to disclose that they are being abused or may not recognise they are victims of domestic abuse as they may believe the term ‘domestic abuse’ is only applicable to women." -- When that sentence is contained within a document that promotes terminology that genders it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/25 10:09 AM
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It does seem like it affects primarily women, so why shouldn't it be a gendered term? Unless we think the rates of violence are actually equal? I think the answer to a lot of "why aren't men more in the narrative" type questions assumes that it's feminism keeping it out Because it forms a cycle, as I described. Issue effects primarily women > gender the terminology to reflect that it effects primarily women > statistics use the gendered terminology > statistics show it effects primarily women, o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/25 10:08 AM
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A more generous assumption would be that interaction sparked interest, so they escalated the question to higher visibility to invite more information.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 09:12 PM
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The dishonesty is fucking breathtaking in how you can read this directly from their own website, but if it's brought up on feminist forums their response is almost always something like "It's just a rehabilitation program for men who batter their wives. I don't get what the big deal is!". And then they'll tell us male victims aren't taken seriously because of misogyny. Learning about the Duluth Model and then seeing how feminists respond when asked about it was one of the biggest steps in my jou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 08:58 PM
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I'm sure there will soon be a deeply substantive reply that directly addresses the content of my posts, in a superb demonstration of reading comprehension. Can't wait to see it. I like how she got a ton of feedback here regarding the term Toxic Masculinity, none of it so far as I've seen demonstrating any misunderstanding of her definition of the term with many going out of their way to make sure she understands that we know it doesn't mean "all men/masculinity is toxic", but bringing up lots of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 08:42 PM
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In the early 2000's, I first became aware of mandatory arrest policies because it happened to a guy I knew. He was having an argument with his girlfriend, and she threw a fit and started trashing their place. Screaming, breaking things, and posing a danger to herself. Neighbors called the police because of her screaming. When they showed up, they found bruises on her wrists and arrested him, because he had grabbed her wrists at some point during the fit. She calmed down and begged them not to ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 08:02 PM
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The Duluth Model was founded in the early 80's in Duluth, Minnesota, by feminist Ellen Pence. It's a lot of things. It's an organization, with its own official website and even a youtube channel. It's a framework for understanding the issue of domestic abuse. It's a policy initiative. It's a community coordination strategy for linking together the resources and response protocols of courtrooms, law enforcement, and victim resources. It's a batterer intervention program. It explicitly frames the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 08:02 PM
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Want an example of why the Depp v Heard case has importance to people like me? Because for over 2 years after being outed as an abuser herself, she continued to be listed on the ACLU's website as their artist ambassador on the subject of "Gender-based violence". Again - not domestic violence - "Gender-based violence". I checked their website regularly, and she continued to be posted as having that position for over 2 years AFTER the USA trial. Here's an open letter signed by 130+ feminists organ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 07:00 PM
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It's hard to take someone seriously who is purporting to educate everyone on feminism, if we know more about it than they do. I'm not going to deep dive on this. If you care to look, you will find good posts on this sub that have done deeper dives into the subject. I'm going to do some quick & easy googling, because it doesn't take much effort to find this stuff. Like if you just google "domestic violence", "violence against women", or "gender-based violence" and look at top results, especially …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 06:59 PM
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Ok that's an insanely bad faith, deranged response. I'd really like to know what you're interpreting as hatred of women out of Schala's post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 05:43 PM
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They define misandry as any harm to men Look at the discourse surrounding domestic abuse, and tell me that feminism doesn't do this with misogyny. The Duluth Model idea that domestic violence is rooted in misogyny (founded on the assertion that almost all DV is male perpetrator/female victim) is so prevalent that the symbol of the Duluth Model (the Power and Control Wheel) is prominently displayed on every website and the walls of every victim resource location, and some governments even classif…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 05:30 PM
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My point was to illustrate how easy it is to apply the sort of language you're playing with in multiple ways. So the specific way you are doing so is simply a choice to perceive it that way. That just because you can summon the language to describe it in such a way doesn't make that description objective or true. Edit for further clarification: I want to remind that I made my position clear that I don't think the draft is due to misandry or misogyny. I think it's due to conservative politics and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 07:18 PM
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My point was specifically that the callous and denying attitude towards male victims comes most strongly from feminist spaces. Hence why I provided a link to a thread of feminist discussion of the Depp v Heard trial. If you want to respond to me with the feminist take as to why men aren't taken seriously as victims because of patriarchy, all you're doing in this context is telling me that feminists themselves are the worst supporters of patriarchy when it comes to this issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 07:14 PM
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(Pt 2 because Reddit forced me to split this up) I don't really see the logic, we have the draft only for men because women are seen as weaker / needing protection, not necessarily because women are more expendable? But maybe the question is, if society devalues women, why are women valuable in the context of motherhood. (If that's not your question let me know) I'm saying that if society sees women as less valuable than men, then it should also see women as more expendable than men. If women ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 08:51 AM
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I think we should highlight that the issues are mainly stemming from the idea that masculinity is superior to femininity, and internalized misogyny does that. Notice I said the IDEA of the masculine being superior, and not "men as a whole are culpable" or "women cannot also hold this view". Anyway, I don't really like the term internalized misandry, I think it misses the point on the WHY of it all, in a way that internalized misogyny doesn't. I'm having a really hard time understanding this as b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 08:50 AM
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Toxic Masculinity: The academic definition that you describe is fine. I have no qualms with the observation that traditional masculinity can be harmful. But there's one caveat. The exact same concept as applied to women is called internalized misogyny. So I think it implies something further that what is called internalized misogyny for women is differentiated as toxic masculinity for men. And I've seen confirmation of this implication over on AskFeminists when asked why this disparity in termin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 05:26 PM
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It's all crocodile tears. Remember when a neo-nazi ran his car through a crowd of leftist protestors in Charlottesville, inflicting several permanent life-altering injuries and killing Heather Heyer? The right didn't condemn and disown that action. Instead, they invented a narrative that Heather was startled by the car and died of a heart attack, which occurred independently of being struck by the car, the only basis for this claim being that they thought she looked fat. I saw right-leaning peop…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 04:24 PM
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Bigotry has a grammatically useful form that the other words you're referencing do not. "You are a bigot" vs... "You are a discriminator" "You are a prejudicer" Doesn't really work the same. People know what it means when you call someone a bigot. There's no need to make it complicated. If people understand what you're saying, then it works. That's how language works.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 04:10 PM
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I don't remember which year he said it was. Somewhere around grades 2-4, which would have been early 2010's.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/25 03:11 PM
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I learned long after the fact from my son that he had a teacher who openly admitted in class to student's faces that she discriminates against boys. Early elementary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/25 01:43 PM
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I think most people don't even have a set of political values or goals anymore. They only have an internalized vibe sense of the opposition, and villify the vibe / glorify the opposite vibe with little further thought as to substance. I've encountered friction in a leftist community just for asking why the hell strength isn't allowed to be considered a positive character trait. I argued that it's objectively a good thing to have the capability to confront adversity. And the counter-argument I go…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 07:15 PM
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Honest answer is conceptually I mostly don't have a problem with promiscuity, sex work, etc. But life experience has taught me to associate these things with mental/emotional instability. Yes, a red flag.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 12:58 AM
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I could be totally wrong, but I'm going to go out on a limb here... It sounds like you struggle with self-respect, due to the gender equivalent of white guilt. I'm going to guess that you feel like you have to make up for belonging to The Bad Gender. Look at how other races talk about white people who engage in performative white guilt. It's not flattering or pleasant to be around. In a more general sense, self-flagellating people are awkward and unpleasant to be around. And if you're being like…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/25 02:11 PM
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You are egregiously bad faith. You don't see men as having issues. You see men as violent oppressors. You come here blithely stating "I recognize men face issues", but then in all your posts never directly acknowledge a single specific one, while constantly repeating women's issues and shaming us for not expressing enough guilt about them. You never respond to a single post that is challenging to your perspective. And then you run to other subs to make posts spreading the message that we're all …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/25 05:10 PM
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As an elder millennial who has resided in the bottom left of the political graph since the late 90's, the modern left frankly does not represent what I consider to be leftist values. There's a pretty big gap between older leftists like myself and those who only started paying serious attention to politics and flocking towards leftism as a reaction to Trump. Post-2016 leftists mostly only associate themselves with the left on an aesthetic basis, because they mostly don't know shit about politics.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 04:29 PM
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I don't think you should be getting downvoted for your post. But here's my response to that logic. Let's grant for the sake of argument that it's correct for the well-being of the child to be the first priority. That it's correct for a father with a child he didn't want to be forced to support that child, because the child's well-being is more important then the father's. It is still better for the child and for society for that situation to never happen in the first place. Even if the father is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/25 04:05 PM
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Humans are not rational beings that arrive at their views after careful logical reasoning - most of the time, they reason backwards, starting with the conclusion. Everyone is probably more or less guilty of this. I think it's impossible to not do this. Values are ultimately emotional in origin. We begin the search for values by having an emotional response to something. But it's also important to recognize that it's possible to not be an unhinged mess about it after that process of searching for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/25 03:33 PM
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i'm a man and im so oppressed because people have opinions on male sexual violence 🥺 but what about ME & my boner. if you want women to stop being fearful & cautious of men and viewing them as predators maybe actually try to help with male violence, you know.... the reason why you're having this "problem". you people want women to stop viewing men as predators but you don't actually want to stop men from BEING predators. this is a problem with a solution that you choose to ignore, instead focusi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/25 01:51 PM
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No, but basically unless the woman is stronger than the dude, the assumption is that it is within your power to stop the interaction immediately unlike with a woman. I'm not missing this variable. It's just an insanely dishonest variable. Like absolute total bullshit. We both know what happens if a man uses his greater strength in this situation. Unless a woman has a man cornered with a knife or a gun, he will be vilified for using his strength against a woman, no matter what the woman is doing.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/25 05:03 AM
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I'd argue Tolkien, actually. He depicts primarily men fighting, and yes the bravery and integrity of those men is glorified. But not a single word ever depicts it as a male duty, or pins any conflict as being caused by men or masculinity. And despite men being the primary fighters, he depicts women as being capable of the same and making powerful contributions, without being "girl power" about it. His characters are just human, coping with a harsh reality, and he has a compassionate perspective …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/25 08:22 AM
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The other problem is even when it comes to making friends, it's hard to find people who don't have shitty bigoted attitudes towards men who aren't conservative. I'm going to fail to connect on a meaningful level with both the person who believes all abusers and rapists are men, and the MAGA who thinks women are gold-digging whores. Anyone who talks about men solving their loneliness crisis by being friends with each other and more emotionally vulnerable with their bros is refusing to acknowledge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/25 08:07 AM
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Abusers lie about their victims. Lies are required for abusive relationships to function in society. The relationship must either be hidden or reframed, or the world would not tolerate it. This is one of the most basic universal truths about abusive household dynamics. People who say false allegations are not a subject worthy of consideration are saying that women can't be abusers. If they truly recognized, as more than lip service, that women could abuse men, they would recognize that those wom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/25 04:04 PM
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I think it's good to be well-read, but I also think there are pitfalls which aren't commonly acknowledged. I think people, especially on the left, have a tendency to trap their own minds within the frameworks set forth for them by these historical figures. In so many political discussions, you can tell that at some point they lost the ability to think independently without their thoughts being filtered through the linguistic conventions of writers considered "theory" and that it shackles their p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/25 03:42 PM
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I remember classmates doing this to each other when I was in school in the mid-late 90's. I don't remember specifics, because it would have been pretty minor amongst all the other bullying I experienced, but I'm pretty sure they tried to do it to me, too and I was always just successful at blocking it. I never thought it was funny. I've never found it funny on tv, either. Slapstick can sometimes be funny in cartoons, with the right visual creativity. I've never found real world attempts at slaps…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/25 02:03 PM
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The problem is everyone else falling for it. It's not that it succeeds in silencing the target, who knows they're not an incel. It's that it shuts off the brains of everyone else present, who then see the proclaimed incel as an acceptable target to gang up on for being an incel, the conversation is quickly made literally impossible, and the person is silenced by sheer force of social weight. Just like in grade school, bullies only succeed at being bullies because the community supports them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/25 02:32 AM
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Just the grading and discipline favoritisms alone are an undeniable causality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/25 03:11 PM
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It's such an easy question. Not reading the article. It's because men are conditioned to feel that they are disposable, that their lives don't have intrinsic value, and that cries for help will not be answered. Most DO seek help before offing themselves, and the responses they get to seeking help usually reinforce these feelings instead of helping. So there is no motivation for weak cry for help attempts. The social circumstances teach them that if they're going to attempt, they need to commit. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/25 10:42 AM
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I'd wager it's as common as men who actually engage in weaponized incompetence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/25 01:40 AM
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And they collect examples. Hard evidence of the trope.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/25 01:18 PM
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My response was removed by reddit admins. Apparently it's "promoting identity-based hate" to push back against a statement that generalizes men as the majority of rapists with factual counter-observations. I see other even milder responses were just removed as well. I wonder if this means Reddit is about to sweep through this sub and silence us. Edit: Oh suddenly when I refresh I'm seeing the other responses again. I guess it was just me? Don't know wtf is going on here. And I just noticed it wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/25 03:06 AM
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/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 01:26 PM
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Men and women should both have the same access to segregated spaces, or none at all. Agreed with the top comment that what I want before anything else, in all gender matters really, is consistency. We should all be held to the same standards of behavior and face the same consequences for transgressions. How can one side even have input on anything regarding the other, if they never have to face the same? Like it's really easy to have a scorched earth absolutist mentality regarding stuff like sex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 01:16 PM
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The terminology really needs to shift towards highlighting that the problem isn't feminists "not caring about men" or "not helping men". It's that feminism is directly adversarial to men. It promotes women having the power to destroy a man's life with words. To be favored by professional culture and economics. To be favored by the justice system. It frames men as undeserving of empathy. Men's issues are mostly direct consequences of this. We don't need their help. We need them to stop. When some…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/25 04:54 PM
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Haven't looked into what the feminist subreddits say about the Tea app but I'd be surprised if I saw anyone there oppose the app. It's kind of interesting, actually. I've browsed 2 threads over on AskFeminists regarding the Tea App. The first one was mixed opinions and even a bit of in-fighting. The 2nd one was overwhelmingly lockstep on the Tea App being for women's safety and men's opposition to it a prime example of misogyny. I've seen this progression on other issues, too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/25 02:59 PM
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And this is what breeds mistrust towards the left/progressive side of politics, sadly resulting in all the good getting thrown out with the bad. They play these stupid word games and code themselves as narcissists. Then people see figures like Trump and, as Carlin put it, think "Well he's a dirty fucking liar, but at least he's honest!" A repulsive mentality becomes even more repulsive when it's plainly trying to dress itself up and pretend it's something it's not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/25 12:04 AM
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I have to stop and comment after reading just the first two quotes. Do they literally have zero self-awareness that this is traditional masculine expectations to a T? They might as well phrase it like "Be a good shepherd to your family flock". I'm predicting they're going to follow this stuff on masculine expectations with something about expecting nothing from women, because "they're human beings". Again with zero self-awareness about what that dichotomous framing implies. Edit: Ok not quite bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/25 11:51 PM
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It can be the case that the rhetoric was inappropriate in 2012, while also being apt in 2026/2028 I actually agree. But I think it should be a call for self-awareness moving forward. That we wouldn't be where we are now if we had abandoned this style of thinking that has dominated politics decades ago. Both parties have been pushing us in the direction of our current crisis for a very long time. It was the inevitable outcome of the direction things were going. But we failed to change direction, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/25 11:44 PM
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Even that's generous. It's more like "The other side is 100% evil, so if I'm only 95% evil, you must vote for me."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/25 09:13 PM
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If this was 2012 and we were choosing between the parties of Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, then I wouldn’t be so concerned, but that’s simply not the situation we find ourselves in. Yet the rhetoric was exactly the same in 2012. "This is the most important election in history". Every election. Your take is circular and self-fulfilling. Don't vote 3rd party because it's not realistic > 3rd party isn't realistic because people don't vote for it > don't vote 3rd party because it's not realistic. Do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/25 09:05 PM
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So there's now a 2nd data breach containing millions of private messages, and I'm seeing multiple reports that it shows loads of men's nudes being shared around. So much for that oft-repeated righteous claim that revenge porn is the difference between women's and men's versions of these things. Predictably, women are just as guilty of the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 09:51 PM
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I wouldn't call the right's evil lesser. I'd agree if it's only a mild form of enforced gender roles, under ideal circumstances. I agree that most of history in most places wasn't as bad as feminists like to claim, in the sense that gender roles restricted freedom and weren't equal in that sense, but they did offer elements of fairness. Both sides got varying privileges and benefits, at the cost of expectations... in most places at most times. I agree that there's elements of greater freedom wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 04:37 PM
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This is why the feminists are losing the gender debate. This is why guys like us who want a egalitarian world must keep going, because else, misogynists like Tate will dominate the airspace once they lose. Yeah, I'm genuinely fearful for women's future, because women, as a generalized group, seem wildly drunk on power the past 10 years while in full gaslighting mode about the idea that they have any power at all. Flagrantly abusive toxic women who openly take it for granted that consequences are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 02:23 PM
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Yeah, she's disgusting. The type of discussion you had with her is exactly the type of discussion that drove me away from left-leaning spaces entirely a few years ago. She claims to not condone the behavior of women on the Tea App, but then instead of having empathy for anyone, male or female, effected by such behavior, she just goes "men started it" and approaches people like you who have done nothing wrong with a very obvious toxic 'drinking male tears' style engagement. You could be allies in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 10:01 AM
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I've become convinced of this over the last few years, too. Almost every issue that women treat as gendered is something they do to men as well, but when confronted with that the response is 99.99% of the time either "Yeah, but it matters more when it happens to women because our feelings are more real than yours!" or "Yeah but look at these rigged or context-lacking statistics!" Some variety of one of those two things. It's kind of incredible that they have the audacity to try and convince anyo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 06:29 PM
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100% agree. Obama's whole presidency is ample evidence of this. The guy campaigned on "Hope and Change" and transparency, then refused to reverse course on anything Bush did. Reinstating posse commitatus is the ONLY exception I'm aware of. Maintained every authoritarian trend that was in motion, and added some of his own touches (such as reclassifying the official definition of the term "enemy combatant" to mean any military age male in proximity of a US military action). He led the biggest crac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 08:48 AM
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Kyle is one of the best left-leaning media voices out there these days. But he's also not exactly intellectual. I think he's got good ethical instincts, but not an ethical framework that's thought through and built with conscious clarity. He's a "Good is good because it's good and bad is bad because it's bad and I know it when I see it" type, who just wields that better than most. But what you're seeing with him is the limitations of that. Without a serious thought-out set of principles, even th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/25 09:06 AM
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There's a lot of suicide linked to internet bullying...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/25 09:19 PM
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Yeah, at face value, the things Cardi did are more sympathetic. I wouldn't come close to comparing them based on that alone. And when admitting to the things she did came back around on her later, she did say that she's not proud of doing those things and doesn't support them. But it's hard to take her at face value on that. Because while I'm not exactly a fan and don't know her stuff well. What I do see of her music or media personality (and I took some time browsing her lyrics today just to do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/25 08:12 PM
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In terms of their cultural messaging though? Cardi B lured men into private spaces to drug and rob them. She peddles messages glorifying the same sort of behavior and perspectives on life, just gender swapped. The other gender is shit, get what you can from them no guilt no mercy, hustle hustle hustle, get rich and famous and flaunt it. Same objectification and values. Differences in detail and scale, but not principle. I'd definitely put them in the same category. Edit: And to be clear, I'm not…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/25 04:12 PM
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Men’s ambition is treated as dangerous and oppressive, while women are revolutionary girlbosses. What's the difference between Andrew Tate and Cardi B? Cardi B was invited to speak and perform at Kamala Harris campaign events.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/25 02:00 PM
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As a leftist, I drive for Uber off and on to occasionally make a little extra money. It's not a Job. I'm glad it's not a capital-J Job, because those aren't flexible. If it was a Job, I wouldn't consider it an option for me, and I would have simply missed some bills or been unable to afford some cools things over the last several years that my day Job don't afford me on its own. It's an option for me, because there's no obligation. I can log on and off whenever I please. Drive for 30 minutes or …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/25 11:33 PM
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How much attention have you paid to men's stories? Because boy do I have some. The exact same ones as you guys. Rape, sexual assault, abuse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/25 01:18 AM
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Oh of course not. I only meant that I absolutely share your thought.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/25 01:12 AM
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Uber matched 1.1 billion rides in 2022 in the USA. In those 1.1 billion trips there were 20 murders. I don't see physical assaults listed anywhere. There were 207 "non-consensual penetrations" and 1430 other incidents of sexual misconduct. https://uber.app.box.com/s/lea3xzb70bp2wxe3k3dgk2ghcyr687x3?uclick_id=1ed3093d-05c2-4140-b0bb-2f439b2038b5 When the rates are so miniscule that you're more likely to get struck by lightning in your lifetime than to face any violence, sexual or otherwise, on an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/25 01:11 AM
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I have repeated around here several times that I think that is the most important thing for men to be doing right now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/25 12:44 AM
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https://www.lyft.com/women+
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/25 08:27 PM
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There have been several cases of female passengers assaulting or successfully murdering male drivers with knives and axes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/25 08:24 PM
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The absolute worst passenger I've ever had was a fucking saga, and the worst trouble I've ever had on the job was when she asked to stop at a gas station and then she went in and tried to shoplift while I was waiting on her. Had another one who put her leg between the two front seats and footsied my arm while telling me she was going to rape me. I'm extremely lucky that I've never had any significant vomit messes in my car. But I have had several passengers vomit, either in the bags I keep for i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/25 07:58 PM
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Let men avoid being paired with women, and it's fair. I've done about 1000 trips Uber driving. The best and worst passengers I've had have been women. Men are far more likely to be neutral and forgettable, which is preferable for someone whose motive is just to go out and make a little extra money, not to collect good and bad stories. I bet if male drivers were given the option, many of them would opt out of female passengers. And since a moderate majority of Uber drivers are male, this wouldn't…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/25 05:48 PM
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I never said anything about consensus. I focused on disagreement. The opposite of consensus. But significant disagreement. The most algorithmically promoted content is stuff that a large number of people agree with, and a large number of people disagree with. Yes, it's about attention, and that's what people pay the most attention to. And I don't even know how this factors into a discussion about a tv show. Or how your message even jives with you being here discussing it, because by your own log…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 09:31 PM
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Ok, so I can ignore your post because it might be AI. Why aren't you ignoring our posts? They might be AI.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 07:02 PM
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Soooort of. Yeah, the algorithms fuck with things. Yeah, there are bots. But if I'm supposed to agree that what I see on the internet doesn't reflect the opinions of people that I encounter face to face, then I don't. The internet reflects what people are too afraid to reveal about themselves and their thoughts when faced with social pressure and potential consequences. I've seen many examples of people I know in meatspace saying things online that I know they'd never say in real life. When I se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 06:58 PM
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I didn't recall Rupert cheating on his new girlfriend. I either forgot about that, or it's something revealed in the last few episodes I haven't seen. In the story as written, Rebecca is not shamed because she didn't purse Sam because of his youth, or appearance or wealth, but because of his personality and the way he expresses himself. I agree that within the context of the story there's significant difference between the two relationships. But I also don't believe it's the slightest bit plausi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 06:47 PM
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Self-image doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's a product of feedback. We only know ourselves in relation to our environment. We only know ourselves socially in relation to our community. This is why parental neglect produces personality disorders, or why solitary confinement is the baseline of all torture interrogation methods. Cultural discourse is community feedback.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 06:04 PM
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The thing with Sassy is especially gross. I find her character extremely unlikable. Self-centered, entitled, shallow, and emotionally brutish. Takes advantage of people and openly disparages niceness. One of the first things we see her do is steal. But I've gone browsing for thoughts on the show in the past, and found Sassy to be one of the show's most well-liked characters. I find it a resounding example of how differently women's behaviors are judged vs men's. Edit: Oh man. This got me thinkin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 05:15 PM
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He was an asshole, he had his moments of good deeds but the shown didn't portray him being an asshole merely cause he dated a younger girl. Yeah, I agree and never said otherwise. I was only commenting on the double-standard in how his age-gap relationship is portrayed vs Rebecca's. Rebecca's is treated as this emotionally/ethically complex situation where whatever choice she makes is ultimately ok, with the complexity based on nothing more than antagonism between her own happiness and society's…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 05:12 PM
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Ted Lasso is a manic pixie dream boyfriend. Full stop. **SPOILERS** And yeah, I mostly agree that the show tries to propagandize a woman's ideal of masculinity. There's even a bit where Keely has sex with her ex-boyfriend (his soccer rival) just to be mean to Roy, because she's mad about something she assumes he did, which he actually didn't do. When he finds out, he's mad. But then everyone around him shames him for being mad, and he just spontaneously gets over it because everyone shamed him. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 03:54 PM
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I have personally seen this as well. I've been close to 4 suicide attempts, and one suicide completion. Three of those attempts (2 female/1 male) were not real, and meant to influence others. One was real and thankfully failed. Of the three fake attempts, two were by women who did it to keep men from leaving them. The one completed suicide was also a woman, who was suffering severely from cerebral palsy. The two genuine attempts (1 male/1 female and completed) were done when no one was around to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/25 09:54 PM
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I'll say one positive thing about Drucker's article. It felt like it was attempting to speak to men, instead of speaking about them. Even if it didn't do a good job, that felt noteworthy to me. It's very rare anymore to see any talk from the feminist side on male issues that doesn't speak passively about us as if we're scientific curiosities on an operating table, or dictate to us as if they are the supreme authorities on our own experiences, while simultaneously shrieking about how we don't lis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/25 11:25 PM
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I considered myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-thirties, but I was also in an abusive relationship with a woman for most of that time. I was working on leaving that relationship around the time social media hit peek metoo and fashionable man-hatred in the 2018-2020 period. I was trying to come out of my shell and seek support and understanding from people I considered to be comrades around that time, but all I found was callousness and bigotry from left-leaning, feminist spaces. I didn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 06:12 PM
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This post wins the thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:52 PM
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I was one of those people dismissing "Tumblr SJWs" in 2011. But... there will always be crazies in the world. Kinda impractical to get all worked up over every group of them. When they start having serious power and influence on society, it's time to get worked up about it. But it's hard to tell in advance which small groups of crazies are going to get there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:45 PM
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I feel like I have to say it every day at this point, but real living breathing human beings use the internet and those people have real lives off the internet. They carry these opinions in their brains with them when they go out into meatspace, too. I don't get what people are thinking when they make this claim "Oh people in reality aren't like that it's just on the internet". No, people just aren't as bold face-to-face and hide their power levels. I guarantee we all know people in "real life" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:12 PM
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Most of the posters there think r/Menslib is too misogynistic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:08 PM
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Yeah. I feel like for every post like bookishwayfarer's, I see 4 or 5 others talking about how they attended a gender studies course or had some deep interaction with feminist academia, and it was just like an askfeminists thread. And of course we also can't skip over the shit that feminist leadership and organizations get up to. Shit like the Duluth Model isn't a product of forums. The attitudes we see on display in the worst internet communities have also been the real-world impact output of t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 06:20 AM
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Yeah. I'm 42. Outspokenly progressive my whole life. I still have my copy of a letter the ICLA sent my high school principal after my friend group notified them of school policies discriminating against gay students. I was reading CrimeThinc when half the adults around me were on unhinged rants about nuking the middle east to glass. I spent the whole 2000's arguing constantly with conservatives, and would dearly love to piss on Bush & Cheney's graves after they die. Back in the 90's and 2000's, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 11:11 PM
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Before I met one of my exes (maybe 2013), my circle of friends tended to be pretty liberal (feminist, pro- LGBTQ, progressive). When I got out of that relationship, I came back to them (about 2015) and I would try to talk about my experiences. They're definitely less critical in real life than they would be online (and they are probably the variety that we'd criticize here online), but they were always insistent that my experiences paled in comparison to women's. It's a mantra almost, even if th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 10:09 PM
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I can see how divisive the discourse is with cases that can have a feminist label attached, but it doesn’t seem healthy, regardless of what your opinion is, to dissect them with the purpose of finding out what groups support whom. I think it's healthy from the perspective of knowing who is going to be in favor of your rights or not. For example, I go look at various feminist platforms and see what they have to say about the Duluth Model, which has played a huge role in policies regarding domesti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 07:43 PM
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I've known those internet radicals in real life. I've been yelled at by them in my own home (ironically because they got mad at my son and I for being victims). They are real people who live lives off the internet. Most of them just don't advertise their power level in most offline situations. Another point against the minority of radicals claim is looking at how much support they get. When someone says some horrendous shit and gets tens of thousands of likes, that means something. We also knew …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 06:59 PM
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If you want examples of misandry or want to see it in action, just look for or initiate any discussion about men being abused by women in any leftist space except this one. Feminists hate male victims more than they hate Andrew Tate. Of course they can't say that directly, but they can't help expressing it in some way, so it comes out as some of the most deranged hyprocritical bigoted shit you'll ever see. It was seeing how male victims were treated by metoo and then the Depp v Heard trial that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 02:34 PM
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Male disposability is glaring in media. Ever notice how a movie/tv show can depict men dying in large numbers, but will bring special attention to a single woman dying if they want to make an emotional impact? As noted on tvtropes.org https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MenAreTheExpendableGender If the story requires random anonymous deaths to move the plot forward, the victim'll likely be male. If the plot requires a tragic death that motivates the protagonists or shows how evil the vil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 02:23 PM
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Yeah. It is a huge awakening when you finally take that step. The kind of thing you can't unsee once you actually allow yourself to see it, and it changes how you perceive a lot of things around you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/25 12:50 AM
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To be honest, I really don't like transactional framings like this. We should simply focus on how shitty it is to push collective guilt onto men. Think of it this way. There are 4 transactions that can take place between two entities. Give something good Take away something good Give something bad Take away something bad Things like those signs operate on the premise that men, as a whole, are giving something bad. If this were true, it would not be entitled to ask that men stop doing that. Take …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 03:11 PM
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Aaaand you're on another sub making a post about how we're all a bunch of misogynists. Classy. You're a real piece of work. Did you even read half the responses you got?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/25 07:10 PM
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I think the crux here is how you define feminism. You still understand feminism to mean belief in gender equality. I don't believe in that definition. I think feminism is belief in patriarchy theory. It doesn't matter how sincerely you support gender equality. The vast majority of feminists will tell you you are not a feminist if you do not support patriarchy theory. And I think patriarchy theory is incompatible with gender equality. I can support gender equality without supporting patriarchy th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/25 03:50 PM
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r/anime_titties ... apparently a world news subreddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/25 04:42 PM
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It's also feeding your deepest secrets and insecurities directly into a surveillance apparatus. I'll eat my own arm if that data isn't collected and stored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/25 04:05 PM
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This was posted on another subreddit the other day. The discussion there was really something. Lots of men sharing their experiences, while women and feminist men tell them their recollection of their own lives is wrong because the research says so, or their feelings about it are wrong because women's more important feelings say so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/25 03:56 PM
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There is a very simplistic idea of "privilege" that's promoted these days. Every person has different privileges in different situations from a wide variety of sources. Being a man or a woman is one of a thousand different features of background, genetics, cultural context, etc that is unique to every person. It's not this linear high score thing that defines a person's life experiences in every context. I know you're likely to say something about intersectionality in response, but the way inter…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 08:45 PM
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Agreed. I don't think it's a coincidence that identity politics took over so fiercely after Occupy in 2011, which was the culmination of a critical anti-authoritarian cultural momentum fueled by the internet throughout the 2000's that I think scared the shit out of the ruling class. And the success of what they did to Assange, who heavily personified that movement, in 2010 proved to them that this weaponization of identity politics, but feminism especially, would be extremely effective for shutt…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/25 07:24 PM
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How the postmortem conversation about Occupy has evolved over time also belongs here. I have seen the narrative grow and calcify over the last several years that the Occupy movement was male-dominated, silenced women, and took their labor for granted, and this is why it "failed". Not because it was repeatedly mass brutalized by police.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/25 04:27 PM
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And there it is. You're equivocating being accused of rape with being a rapist, and focusing on accused men. So it's pretty clear now what feelings you're coming at this from. Which I STILL never said anything about. ALL I ever said was that however we treat those accused or found to have done, it needs to be consistent. Nowhere in this thread do I have a single "should" statement about what I think is right for those accused or found to have committed rape or sexual assault. But you are obsesse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/25 04:20 PM
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Yeah. Every one of those statements is pointing out a disparity. Each of my statements was describing a disparity and saying the disparity is wrong. Nothing else. Quote where I said that either male or female rapists should deserve anything. I have only said whatever society does, it should be the same for both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/25 02:29 AM
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it's just that women are not being held accountable Yeah. I don't know why you're putting so much effort into reading something else out of what I'm saying. I literally said the first thing I care about is that men and women get equal treatment. Like if we're going to go scorched earth on it, I want that mentality to be equally levied at both male and female perpetrators. That is my core point. I don't know where you're getting the idea that it's "men being kept out of something they're owed". I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 08:52 PM
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I'm interpreting it as women getting sympathy and benefit of the doubt that men don't get. That when a woman is accused, society approaches it as "How can we find this woman not guilty or not responsible for her own actions or not really so bad", whereas when a man is accused it's "How can we nail this guy to the fuckin' wall no mercy". My personal thoughts on how sexual assault should be handled don't matter, because the first thing I care about is that men and women get equal treatment. Like i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 07:36 PM
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I likely wouldn't have put myself in that situation in the first place if not for the way feminism taught me to see the world. But that's a fuzzy thing, and I accept responsibility for my part in it. It's something I had to do because of who I was at the time. And it's not something I can really explain without going full life story. But... My ex likely wouldn't have been able to get away with the things she did for so long if not for the same thing. Feminism strongly messaging for decades that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 03:40 PM
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Because feminism's influence on public perception, resources, and laws regarding sexual & domestic violence trapped me in an abusive marriage for 20 years? So yeah, I have a bone to pick. And that's not an accident by random shallow self-labeling internet feminists who repeat buzzwords without educating themselves. That's the result of coordinated effort spanning decades by high profile individuals and organizations. And it's far more than a few bad actors who have displayed disgustingly callous…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 03:05 PM
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The expectation that what I find physically attractive should just randomly change as I age has never made any sense to me. Feelings are not actions. Feelings are harmless. And I've never understood why it's seen as ok to demonize someone's feelings the way it's done with older men's sexuality. No amount of shame is ever going to make it change. It can only doom older men to be forced to miserably kill inner parts of themselves as they age. The very thing feminists claim they want men to stop do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 02:31 PM
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"A few bad actors" is the understatement of the century.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 02:21 PM
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“The Patriarchy Hurts Everyone” but men still receive all the blame, as if our species and society were no co-created by women and men. That very concept, to me, seems like a byproduct of patriarchal thinking. This is precisely why I have flipped to considering myself anti-feminist in the last few years. Because I've come to understand that feminism isn't belief in equality. It's belief in patriarchy. That is what separates them from non-feminist belief in equality. It doesn't matter if they ack…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 02:06 PM
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Even with Castlevania, the male characters receive more focus, but the writers still clearly demonstrate their preference for Sypha over Trevor or Alucard. Compared to the others, she has basically godlike power. She gets hurt far less than the others and can outdo them with 1/10 the effort. And she treats Trevor like shit, and it's portrayed as endearing. Constant aggressive sass that is clearly miserable to endure. Consistently shows a callous attitude towards him constantly getting battered a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/25 02:37 PM
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Yeah. That's the whole problem. That the modern left isn't as different from them as it thinks it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/25 02:21 AM
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We've seen from how they lamented the failed Trump assassination attempt that they feel justified enough in their fear to think that's a viable option, but we need to pretend like as long as you don't do hand gestures you're SO different to a Nazi... uh huh... This is such a great example of how the last 10 years has made me in some ways unrecognizable to myself. I'm one of those people who constantly gets frustrated with that trope in movies where the protagonists mow down 1000 mooks and willin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 08:22 PM
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Yeah, it's a problem with the whole left side of politics in general (and I'm using "left" loosely here). My way of looking at it is most of these people who behave this way didn't care about politics until Trump got involved. And at least in the beginning, Trump didn't really do much of anything that hadn't already been seen before in the previous 20 years, as pointed out with immigration. So their engagement with politics didn't begin with developing real well-founded principles to fight for. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 05:59 PM
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Most people already agree on so many policies, like for example, most people don't have anything against the LGBTQ+ community, but there are criticisms around specific elements of the community. If they could hold a conversation about those specific issues without making it "you're homophobic/transphobic" there could be some progress on finding common ground, but they just can't do that, the moment you don't immediately agree with them, they label you, which is intellectually lazy. This is super…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 02:37 PM
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I've been saying for about 15 years that the most powerful force in sociology is the combination of projection and confirmation bias.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 01:28 PM
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Trump derangement syndrome is real. This era of politics has made me incredibly cynical with the knowledge that to most people, politics is just aesthetics. They don't care if bad things are done, so long as the person doing them is likable enough.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 01:17 PM
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I guess not, because I thought I understood what you're saying, but I guess not? You're saying women don't sexually harass men in public as much because they don't think it will be received positively? Does this mean the person they're harassing will not receive it positively? That bystanders will not receive it positively? Because the former doesn't make sense in the context of harassment, but I think you live in a bizarro dimension very different from mine if you think bystanders are more like…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/25 09:59 PM
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a) I'm not going to argue the point about attraction. And if it's true that means it's one motive being less common, yes. But there are many motives for violating other's personal space than attraction. For example: humiliation, blackmail, humor, establishing dominance, or just the random thrill of exercising the freedom to do it. Or the privilege being so invisible to themselves that it simply doesn't cross their mind that they're doing it at all. All variations I've personally witnessed or cou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/25 09:28 PM
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If you are a man and you don’t want a child, you can easily get a vasectomy. Unlike women who are often denied getting their tubes tied it have to fight for it for years. Also men commit to the vast majority of the violent crimes including against other men so yes, men are the problem most of the time. Men commit the vast majority of the violent crimes so yes people will be more sceptical of men rightfully so as the statistics show. Also, most men who are killed are killed by other men. No one g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/25 05:17 PM
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Why do you automatically assume that I'm denying women's issues by speaking about men's issues?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/25 04:57 PM
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. Feminist groups have consistently pushed for unequal treatment in laws regarding domestic violence and abuse, sexual misconduct, family court, etc. I see feminists frequently respond to gender swap questions regarding female conduct with "gender swapping just doesn't work because it's just not the same". I.E. These issues that are of supreme importance when they happen to women just aren't as important when they happen to men and we don't deserve the same respect or …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/25 03:18 PM
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The narrative that men are responsible for the vast majority of sexual misbehavior is so overwhelmingly prevalent that it was the last one I questioned. But if men really put some effort into thinking about all the unsolicited touch or sexual pressure they've witnessed or been subjected to in their lives, that narrative would crumble overnight. The cultural programming to just not notice is just so strong. To not think about how effortlessly women have access to the bodies of the men around them…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/25 01:53 PM
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I guess I just don't know how to engage with that then. My thoughts are in empirical, material reality. I mostly engage with this subject by telling stories about the lives of myself and the people I've known. It doesn't get more materially grounded than that. But I suspect that's the type of thing you're targeting with a call to not present ourselves as victims. I also don't feel like critical theory is something I can reject, because I don't think it's something that's even real in the manner …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 10:36 PM
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I don't really get this obsession with postmodern critical theory the last several years. I think the whole debate over it is incoherent on both sides. So I'm not stepping into that surreal dimension. I'm engaging with what's real to me. The person who gives a shit about stats is rare. For the vast majority of people, the stats that support their world view are infallible, and the stats that challenge their worldview are engineered or flawed in some way. And both are freely available to anyone w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 06:49 PM
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How do we achieve equal treatment without raising awareness of how we are treated unequally? How do we do this without framing it as victimhood? My personal top male issue is inequality in the realm of domestic/sexual violence and abuse. How does this get addressed without talking about men as victims of these issues? Women didn't spur society into action on these issues by not framing themselves as victims. And if the issue is specifically that there's a double-standard where a man seen as a vi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 03:28 PM
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Go tell them that, then. Get them to live up to that dictionary definition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 10:55 AM
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And you can claim that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic, because it's in the name, and the individuals that make up North Korea just aren't real North Koreans. Is it really useful? I think the real issue isn't the No True Scotsman. It's that all these feminists who aren't real feminists use the dictionary definition of feminism to deflect criticism of their technically not feminist behaviors via motte & bailey tactics. And I think it's much more practical to address the mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 09:33 PM
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The problem is most of feminism's highest leaders and representatives are like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 11:09 AM
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Complaining that women have an option to terminate a pregnancy is like complaining a cancer patient has an option to undergo chemotherapy. It's a medical condition with treatment options. I am pro-choice. But I find it disturbing when people talk about pregnancy this way. It comes across as sociopathic in a way that makes my skin crawl. Secondly, even if this story didn't actually happen to you (I'll be honest, it's quite the perfect ragebait example so I'm suspicious), similar stories have happ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/25 09:58 AM
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The point is the situation gives women privileges, which they refuse to acknowledge that they have. I have a college friend who had a friends-with-benefits casual relationship with someone a long time ago. She told him she had a medical condition that made her infertile. She got pregnant. After she got pregnant, she openly admitted to him that she lied because she just wanted a kid. That guy was less than a month away from moving to a different country to start his dream job. He had awesome shit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/25 12:39 AM
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If society started holding women to the same standards of behavior they demand of men, their heads would explode. Women, on average, have noooooo fucking clue just how much they are guilty of the same behaviors they complain about in men. There is so much free license to touch that they just take for granted. My favorite is women's self-told stories of trying to proposition men, or men "failing to pick up on hints". These stories 99% divide cleanly up into 2 types. There's the weird glances, eye…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/25 02:20 PM
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Female privilege is the free license to be creepy and predatory and violate the personal space of the opposite sex with so little fear of scrutiny or consequence that they honestly don't even realize they do it. Female privilege is the freedom to behave in any fashion around children with zero thought for how it will be perceived by others. Female privilege is the ability to trap men with children and gain total control of their lives for decades, with tactics that would be labeled rape if gende…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/25 10:11 AM
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We were together for 20 years. We have 2 kids, now 20 and 16 years old. The last 10 years we were together, I was just sticking it out to protect the kids. Family's been separated for about 5 years now, and older kid lives with me. I'm pretty sure if I hadn't endured those 10 years, he'd be dead today. She developed some extreme favoritism issues between our two kids, with the older one getting the bad end. If he walked through the house without a shirt on, she'd tell him the sight of him was go…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/25 10:39 PM
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Among left-leaning culture, which is today's mainstream, it's actually the opposite these days. Progressives especially believe that women are more emotionally mature than men. That men are emotionally stunted and repressed, which leads to them being more prone to violent lashing out and other toxic behaviors. On top of that, mental health academia and services are incredibly dominated by women and female-centric, to the point that they're often openly hostile to men. The Prim Reaper, a licensed…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/25 12:47 PM
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If I can say I'm advocating for anything in the matter of sexual loneliness in men, it's for men to take the problem by the root, which is the social and instinctive urge toward sex. That is what's making us so wretched, not women telling us no. There are many ways to deal with it, and letting it lead you by the nose is not the best. I agree, but not directly. I don't think it's possible to just will oneself to stop having sexual desire. That social and instinctive urge is always going to be the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/25 04:13 PM
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They want to bring up unrecorded violence against women. It's worse than unrecorded for us. So very often, a woman being violent against a man will be recorded as the man being violent against the woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/25 08:16 AM
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Why would you just assume that I never confronted her about her behavior or otherwise tried to work it out? How do you expect it to go trying to work something out reasonably with someone who sees direction of alcohol wiping motion as a matter worth screaming over? Continue the family drama? Did you miss the word "ex" used repeatedly and the whole paragraph about after the split? Your whole engagement here is really weird, and I'm going to take a wild guess that you're projecting some issues ont…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/25 05:41 PM
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What's worse than FD himself is his comment section.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/25 12:09 AM
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I won't say that there aren't bad faith types around carrying some fucked up beliefs. You'll never find an open public space free of such things, regardless of what cultural sphere or ideology it's geared towards. But I don't think it's fair to assume that the downvotes are because people here are against acknowledging that women's issues exist. They could just as easily be because they disagree with your criticism of the sub. I doubt most people around here appreciate being described as "Andrew…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/25 03:48 PM
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100% agree
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/25 03:36 PM
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I have 2 sons. They're 4 years apart. Something changed in those 4 years. When the younger one started kindergarten, he didn't immediately adjust well. He didn't attend preschool. But our older son didn't either. And it apparently became expected somewhere in those 4 years. Most of my younger son's classmates did attend preschool. And so they hit the ground running, while he needed time to adjust to this new environment and set of expectations. But the school didn't accomodate that anymore. Ther…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/25 03:33 PM
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You're right that we have no idea how many accusations are false. But does it matter? It's enough to be evident that it's a significant number. It's wild when the narrative is pushed so hard that rape and SA are so incredibly common. There's so many thousands of cases reported, and the rhetoric makes sure to push at every opportunity that it's a minority of cases that are even reported. Just as you point out how it's a minority of cases that make it to trial. But then if that's true, then even 3…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/25 03:00 PM
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You may not consider yourself a feminist, but you're repeating many distinctly feminist talking points. One thing that is common among those points is you're universaling women's experiences that mostly only happen in specific situations or among specific types of people. Which doesn't mean they're not legitimate issues. But you're equalizing them against men's issues that are actually universal. Most of the cultural attitude issues that you mention which women face are prevalent in conservative…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/25 01:41 PM
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It's because he's framing those guys as being representative of the entire idea that men have specific issues. That the only people who believe this are clownshow grifters like them trying to make money off insecure guys who lap it up because it feeds their egos. That's the message. If it was just making fun of manosphere grifters by itself, nobody would have a problem with that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 10:06 PM
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He presents the influencers and his mockery of them as his response to the subject intro that men are struggling, complete with an animated splash screen of a man punching himself in the face until his head falls off. It's literally "Studies say men are struggling with loneliness. So I'm here to talk about it in my new segment!" *Splash screen of man punching his own head off* "There's guys on the internet talking about this! Let's have a look! Wow these guys are idiotic pieces of shit! Well the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 08:32 PM
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Leaving aside how shitty the manbashing is... there's not even any wit present here. This is just sad. Like other commenters, I used to love this guy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 04:05 PM
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I don't think having kids in today's world is a good idea. Personally, I think modern civilization has like 20 to 30 years left. That's about how long my intuition tells me we have before environmental collapse reaches the point of making the material conditions that enable food security, modern technology, and the modern scale of society impossible. I work in international logistics. The industry is a joke and supply chains are incredibly fragile. When they break, things will unravel really qui…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 03:58 PM
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My principles haven't changed, but how I relate to people has. It's not just feminism that caused this, but even if I disagree with them, I'm less prone to be dismissive or antagonistic towards conservatives. And I'm more prone to be dismissive or antagonistic towards progressives, even if I agree with them. Because I've seen how terrible attitudes have helped to drive the culture war ahead of class war, and how someone who professes to believe all the same things I do can thoroughly undermine t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 03:27 PM
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Yeah, but I think it's especially dumb to base your idea of a group off of what they're like in their early teens, when most people of all kinds are their worst versions of themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 02:17 PM
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I heard it around 7th - 9th grade in the 90's, and never since. I really feel like a lot of women never shake the impression they get from the worst examples of guys they encounter in their early teens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 08:31 AM
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This is what I see as well. Men are expected to be in perfect condition to be worthy of love, or else they're selfishly inflicting their issues on someone else. But if a man ever rejects a woman for having issues, he's a piece of shit. Like 15 years ago, I was on a forum thread talking about policing of female clothing in public. This was when I was still with my ex, who was extremely paranoid jealous and controlling. Everybody framed the issue as men trying to control women. I chimed in that I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 04:22 PM
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And most of them view the patriarchy as a conspiracy amongst men to oppress women for their own benefit that's been in practice for about 10,000 years. Belief in patriarchy is a belief that men are at least morally inferior, if not innately evil to some extent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 12:21 AM
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It's really interesting how black woman has the 2nd highest open rate until it's explicit black woman, and then it drops to 2nd lowest. Also interesting how white man has the strongest open rate of any group, but white woman has the strongest reply rate in implicit and explicit. The trends between open and reply don't really match very much in general. This is all over the place. In fact the only two consistent trends I see are white man being a strong position in all categories, and black man b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 03:13 AM
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Except when they're criticizing men for not caring about each other. Whichever's convenient in the moment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/25 06:43 PM
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In my experience, this is usually their first argument. Except the line I get is "They don't think men can be victims, because they see women as too weak to abuse a man and a man abused by a man isn't a real man. So it's actually misogyny." My response "So what you're telling me is feminism is misogynist." Then they usually BSOD, and insist what I'm saying makes no sense and they don't understand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/25 06:42 PM
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If a woman brings up her issue with, say, domestic violence by framing it as solely perpetrated by men against women. Then as a male victim, yeah, they've made that a pretty good time for me to bring up my issue. They're not even trying to make a sensible argument. They're straight up demanding that we just lie down and take the beating, and don't complain.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 11:39 PM
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You should read my top level comment on this post. I don't have any experience with backfiring, but that's because I saw how easily it could happen and avoided it. I was exposed to other examples of men being arrested by default when they were the victims when I was young. The Duluth Model managed to make it law that male victims be punished for seeking help. I saw how much effort people put into finding any way they could to make the man the villain in any case of domestic trouble. I had people…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 11:31 PM
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Biden's an evil person - full stop. He was a major architect on the infamously racist 90's crime bill, and a segregationist most of his life. Also a major architect of the precursor to the Patriot Act. He was the main architect of the student debt crisis. He didn't just vote for the Iraq War, he played a key process role in forcing it through. (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/17/joe-biden-role-iraq-war) When the war was debated and then authorized by the US Congress in 2002, D…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 11:08 PM
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Out of genuine curious, what misandry are you seeing from the left? I keep seeing this on this sub yet no one ever gives me an easily understandable answer to this.Out of genuine curious, what misandry are you seeing from the left? I keep seeing this on this sub yet no one ever gives me an easily understandable answer to this. ... Really? Are you serious? Maybe you were in a coma through several months of man v bear? But I think it's more likely that you're just lost in false dichotomy rage and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 10:58 PM
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I find it very improbable that they haven't picked it up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 10:46 PM
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Can't believe this article is less than a week old. It looks like something written 7 years ago. There were so many exactly like this in the 2018 - 2020 range. It's so transparent how she frames this as millions of white men scared by one bad case, when if you scroll through any comment section on this subject, you'll find similar stories shared by thousands of men. But I doubt she'd ever suffer to hear the lived experiences of people who challenge her world view.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 09:37 AM
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Or it can backfire. Things can get 100x worse if you draw the attention of someone who doesn't want to see men as possible victims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 08:22 PM
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Part 2 My ex's mom was a hardcore druggie who allowed men to rape her when she was as young as 4 years old, in exchange for drug money I assume. When she was 6, she told her parents that she was going to sell her into sex trafficking if they didn't give her money for drugs. My ex remembers being so neglected that she stole dog food from her neighbors out of hunger. Her grandparents picked her up when her mom wasn't home and filed for custody. Even with all of that, the judge told my 6 year old e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 08:17 PM
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TLDR - My personal anecdotes reinforcing this point. That the disparity in resources in insane. Part 1, because reddit says it's too long for one comment. I wish society talked more about how many men are trapped in toxic marriages for the sake of their kids. Everybody says "Don't stay for the kids", but nobody ever admits that advice is for women. I stayed in an abusive relationship for 10 years past the point of despair to protect my kids, because I knew that trying to leave and get custody of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 08:16 PM
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This is the reality I wish people would adjust to. The ratchet effect is by design. Democrats will never move anything in the right direction, because the DNC is literally a privately owned organization, and the people who own it will never allow it. Republicans are the final boss. Democrats are the mid-game boss we must defeat first. There is no skipping to the end. It's no coincidence that Obama received more corporate donations than McCain, and then the 1% captured the vast majority of "econo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 06:06 PM
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*How to talk AT men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 05:51 AM
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Strength difference is always brought up. The difference in rates of injury between men and women when domestic conflicts happen. I appreciate that you're saying the double-standard is wrong. I just want to clarify one thing here regarding strength difference that I never see anyone acknowledge. You don't have to injure someone to hurt them. And I don't mean hurt feelings or the sensation of pain. I mean we have to remember how the nervous system works. When someone behaves aggressively towards …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/25 06:17 PM
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Yeah, I pity him. My first thought on reading his post was honestly "Come back and update us on where you stand in 10 years." I wouldn't be surprised if he flips hard into Tate-style actual misogyny. He seems to have that sort of emotionally reactionary psychology that leaps to extremes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/25 04:17 AM
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I can't help but notice. Able-bodied people are an oppressor group? Anyone who hasn't been crippled by a chronic illness or injury is oppressing others by virtue of their fortunate health? Am I understanding you right? So to not be an oppressor, do I have to break my own legs? I don't even know what to say at this point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/25 04:09 AM
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From my mid-teens to mid-thirties, I was much like you. Outspokenly pro-feminist. Although maybe not so much like you that I'd discourage people from judging a woman for setting a man on fire in response to a sexist comment, or to make a post asking people if it's possible for men to be good. Umm... you should really get help. And I don't mean that in a mean way. But at the very least, you should keep your self-hatred to yourself, instead of letting it bleed onto other people purely on the basis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 03:56 PM
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Maybe they won't intervene, since as you've mentioned in your reply, there's this attitude to not intervene/meddle in others' affairs. That's maybe a commentary, if not a critique, perhaps, on loss of community and how "self-serving", "inward", and atomized society has become over time I kinda see it as the opposite. That was a time when there was more community. My grandparents knew everybody. They had vibrant social lives. Lots of close friends, and knew their acquaintances better than I know …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 07:02 PM
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My grandfather was a Korean War vet. Fought on the front lines after being drafted. Pretty conservative. Racist against asians. Very patriarchal attitudes. Gruff. I don't think he was a bad guy. But that's who he was. And my extended relatives are all mostly religious conservative. Lutheran. I had a great uncle, who if I remember right was that grandfather's brother. He had a reputation as an abusive drunk. If the narrative about abusive men in that period of history were true, he would have bee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 05:59 PM
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Women being of higher emotional intelligence has been so ingrained in our culture for so long that at some point it became so taken for granted that they stopped feeling like they even needed to pretend to try, and most of the world hasn't noticed yet because they're still in the "oh I guess my experience with women must be the exception" stage.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/25 09:18 PM
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Your first and second points don't mix. In your 2nd point, you present 6 problems faced by men. Five of them I see as being primarily, if not entirely, caused by feminism. How do you reconcile this with point one. It's not about petty blame. It's about addressing the problem. I agree about MRA spaces being a mess, though. But any space online dedicated to any broad political issue is. Find me one that isn't. Find me one that's better, even. Is this sub, specifically, the place that most deserves…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/25 09:29 AM
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Ethics is just participating in what's necessary to create a world that doesn't suck to live in. It's the most practical thing there is. But it requires enough people participating to actually work. Most people see it as impractical because they don't believe enough participants is something that will ever happen. But that's self-fulfilling prophecy. If all those people who saw it that way participated, it would happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 11:02 AM
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In recent years. Before the mid-2010's I was a "woke" progressive type, because back then they were the only part of U.S. politics that *wasn't* reactionary and authoritarian. Back in the 90's and 00's, we were just people who wanted cops to stop murdering black people with impunity, for gay people to have rights, etc. None of this other shit came along with that. I really think more and more as time goes on that there was some sort of massive psyop in the 2010's to make things this way. I think…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/25 08:23 PM
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Same sort of experience here, having only lived in the USA. When the 'woke' consensus started to talk about sexuality as if it were a choice, I was appalled to see my gay and lesbian friends pick that narrative up. This one especially blows my mind. The number of trans people (or leftist culture in general) I've seen use cis as a slur, or express vitriol against anyone who cannot be attracted to a trans person. As if these are choices, or that they define a person. Then as we all know Russia inv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/25 08:14 PM
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Really funny, too, that she dropped this line *after* insisting to me that feminism teaches men can be victims too and she's personally attended NOW workshops on the subject. Always in theory, never in practice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/25 05:11 PM
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Yeah, this stuff is definitely not only online. One of my best friends from high school went through a phase for a few years where he started spewing hatred at men online. Never did it around me in person. But it doesn't really matter. It's him, and I see it. Stuff like openly expressing disgust for male genitals. Or sharing that viral post about wishing for that guy who played piano in a public park to win his girlfriend back to be alone and villainized forever. I eventually told him I couldn't…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/25 03:42 PM
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Very good point that this might be one of the clearest cases of an anti-male talking point showing evidence of projection. There is tons of examples and evidence out there of women playing games to get men to do things for them, including feigning weakness or incompetence. Just yesterday, I watched a clip of a woman acting like she can't lift a thing to get her husband to do it for her, and then the next day lifting that same thing by herself without much effort while he was at work. All caught …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/25 08:40 PM
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Yeah, whenever you read the comment threads on any post about weaponized incompetence, it's very clear that this is a common male experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/25 07:29 PM
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I dreaded cleaning when I was with my ex. It was one of the most miserable things we ever did in our time together. I was micromanaged to hell and back, and the result was never right, even when it was indistinguishable to me from when she did it herself. Not quite exactly an example of cleaning, but in the same spirit to demonstrate how ridiculous this could get - she once screamed at me like a banshee for applying an alcohol wipe to our son's skin with a side-to-side motion instead of circular…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/25 07:06 PM
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or maybe some interpret being crammed as groping, ie malice where there isn't any I've actually experienced being crammed into a packed subway car over there now. To the point where there is zero room to move. To the point that a dozen people packed in by the door have to step out of the car at a stop to let people off and then get back in. To the point that I put my backpack between my feet, because leaving it on my back would prevent one more person from fitting. I think it would be pretty eas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 04:14 PM
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Recently spent 2 weeks in Japan. It could just be on a different frequency that I'm not tuned to pick up on, but the gender war really doesn't feel like it's happening there. There are certainly issues between women & men there. Like they have dedicated women-only cars on the subway that were made such due to the frequency of groping complaints during busy hours, when men take advantage of everyone being crammed together. But even so, there is a palpable tension in the USA. You can feel the appr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 03:11 PM
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Yeah, I don't think any human qualities should be labeled as masculine or feminine. Because regardless of gender identity, everybody exhibits all of these qualities to varying degrees. It may be true that men may exhibit certain qualities to a higher degree on average than women, and vice versa.... but so what? We can recognize that's true, but what purpose is there in assigning any meaning to it beyond that? If, as a man, I have a certain human quality to a degree that is more common among wome…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/25 07:02 PM
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Ok. I'm not going to downvote you. Your list is a bunch of reprehensible things. But I think I believe you that you're not promoting that list. It would probably help you to frontload that, though. But I think there's an important point here. That if society doesn't come up with a way to fix gender relations, then this list is representative of what the conservative backlash fueled by miserable men will eventually look like. Personally, I am not authoritarian. My outlook on society is that if so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 06:56 PM
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The Occupy encampments went away because police violently dispersed them over and over and over again. They'd go in and destroy everything, beat people up, and do mass arrests. Footage from these raids would often look like a war zone. Then the camp would spring back up, and they'd do it again. Some of the major camps re-established several times. And even after the camps were gone, there were a bunch of organizations that continued operating under the Occupy label for years. There was an Occupy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/25 02:38 PM
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IMO this sort of attitude wasn't so prevalent among The Left until the mid-2010's.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/25 02:22 PM
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The dude is a trainwreck of a human being. A vile, obnoxious, intellectually dishonest asshole. He unironically does the thing where he acts like he's smarter than other people because he talks faster and more aggressively than them, and uses that to bully his way through debates. He constantly postures himself as having his life so well put together and having authority on that basis, but the only thing that holds his life together is being rich and he constantly admits to being addicted to dra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/25 01:48 PM
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It really sucks and I'm very sorry to say it, but it sounds like your friend is pretty far gone. You're probably not wrong in identifying how things got started, but I think there's more than just the starting point going on to reach the point of wishing Hitler had won WW2. I don't have any advice on how to help him. At this point, that can only be achieved by reaching deep into very personal knowledge. Trying to reach someone like this is like trying to perform brain surgery with a needle and a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 03:41 PM
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I guess I'm interested in some more specific description of what you mean by "turning their brain off". If it's about ceasing to constantly threat assess one's surroundings like a tweaked out paranoid schizo, then... I don't think most people need to be doing that in the first place most of the time. Nobody needs to take on any burden for them to stop doing that. They just need serious psychological help. If it's about basic relaxation... like taking a break from mentally taxing work to veg out …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/25 09:56 PM
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I think talking about how it's nice to be able to let your guard down around someone is great, when it's in the sense that you trust that person's good will towards you. That they won't take advantage of you if you show them vulnerability. That's not even a gendered thing. That's something men want to experience with women, too. But it does seem like what Gabby was promoting here was something beyond that. Being able to take for granted that you can be carefree in a more general sense while arou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/25 09:46 PM
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I appreciate what she's doing with her channel right now. But did anyone else find the part about women being able to shut their brains off around protective men cringey and even a little disturbing? Romanticizing head emptiness is just... not right to me, on a level that's difficult to put into words. The clip she used of the guy having to lead the woman back around to the stairs and portraying that as a state that women *want* to be in is frankly pretty condescending to women, imo. And it lean…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/25 05:40 PM
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1:59:00 - "Fixing things is not entertaining to anyone" Makes me think of the Roger Waters album Amused to Death, based on a book I haven't read, and think about it in a way I haven't before. We watched the tragedy unfold We did as we were told, we bought and sold It was the greatest show on Earth But then it was over We oohed and aahed, we drove our racing cars We ate our last few jars of caviar And somewhere out there in the stars A keen-eyed look-out spied a flickering light (Our last hurrah)…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/25 03:04 PM
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Also during the height of metoo, I was separating from my abusive ex, because her behavior was pushing our son to suicide. He said some things around this time to a classmate at school that got overheard by some other kids, which got passed around and spun up into some wild shit far beyond what he actually said, before it drew the attention of staff, who notified Child Protective Services. So CPS showed up at our house to investigate some really severe allegations that my ex was having sex with …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/25 11:24 AM
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And nothing's changed... A drunk man's a violent rapist. A drunk woman is a vulnerable victim. No matter what actually transpires. And yeah, the majority of modern left-leaning gender discourse quite blatantly leans on the unspoken preconceived notion that women are innately morally superior to men. None of it works without that. The Believe Women mantra, for example, relies on the unspoken assumption that a woman would never abuse the power to destroy men at will.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/25 05:07 PM
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That's a difficult question. I'm leaving for a big two week trip tomorrow, so to be honest I probably won't get around to doing that question justice before I go. I'll think about it, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 09:47 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about your son. I know that stuff happens and I don't know how common it is, but even knowing it's there is sad. Those kids aren't just dealing with this weird game of polite society and they don't deserve it. No one deserves to be so miserable they want to die. I know how that feels. Hopefully he makes it through. Hopefully the legal system will let you help him. He's doing much better, and an adult now. I could tell that pursing a legal resolution wasn't going to work out for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 09:43 PM
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Reading your response shook loose some thoughts in me. I have a similar reaction to the term gynocentrism. I think empathy gap works better, at least in this context. Society will twist itself in knots doing everything it can to ward women away or rescue them from bad situations like an abusive relationship. Countless hours of programming, thousands of pages of writing, entire academic careers and philosophies invented from scratch, billions of dollars into foundations and resources, major legis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 05:00 PM
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They did the same survey with millenials (maybe gen z I can't remember) and the numbers were inverted. You don't even need surveys. Women will proudly advertise that they're rapists on primetime national tv anymore. There's tons of videos of women being street interviewed, and enthusiastically proclaiming that they'll rape a man if they feel like it. There's that day time talk show where the question was posed to a mostly female audience what a woman should do if she wants kids but her husband d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 04:36 AM
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Your last paragraph is so important, but I want to speak on this bit especially. I've gotten back together with these guys and tried to play, but there's something different. I separated from my abusive ex of 20 years in 2020. Initially, I thought I was going to reconnect with lots of people that she'd forced me to lose touch with and be way more social than she'd allowed me to be. But that didn't pan out, and I'm not really sure why. Something does feel different about it. I still *like* those …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 04:21 AM
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Pt 3 And something I haven't seen anyone else mention yet, which may be controversial I don't know... male friendship is great, but I think there's also a difference between men and women in how they experience same-sex interaction. It's really difficult to explain, but... there is genuinely something about female company that is different for us, even if it's 100% platonic with zero physical attraction in the mix. And I don't think it has anything to do with men not being able to form meaningfu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 03:50 AM
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Ugh reddit... pt 2 if women are able to form intimate friendships with other women that are fulfilling for them, what do you think impedes men from doing the same with other men and what could be done to change that? I first want to boost what a couple other people have already said. These are the most important points, in my opinion. That it is the norm for men in relationships to be expected to mostly give up their friends. That we're supposed to put our girlfriend, or wife/kids first, and ded…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 03:50 AM
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Pt 1 because I went over the size limit for a post Also in the past liberal men (Justin Trudeau, Obama) have showed emotion and cried in public, how is that received on the right and is there a difference in attitudes about this from the left and from the right? I think the discourse about men not being allowed to show emotion is a massive overblown red herring, and it's one of my biggest pet peeves in gender discourse. There is truth to it, but it's not this overwhelming force in male culture t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 03:43 AM
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who wouldn't be be revulsed by men, the same people who rape and kill, if not -- people who enable it and complain about women spaces online. Honestly the suicide rates should be higher for folks like you. Have a nice day :)) I have never raped or killed or even struck another human being, or approved of anyone doing so. But I have been raped and struck by a woman, and know other men who have been as well. I know your post is a troll on an account you made for that purpose. But I hope you heal a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/25 02:26 AM
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I think most of us here get that what you're saying is the point they're trying to make. It's not really that difficult to grasp. It just doesn't make anything better about the whole thing. "We fear a man doing worse than what a bear can do to us" actually makes the message MORE bigoted, not less. And it also has nothing to do with men. Men who have had bad experiences with women could make the exact same argument with equal validity. They're just arbitrarily deciding on no basis whatsoever that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 10:39 PM
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Yeah, Kitchen-Fee-1469 absolutely does not represent the opinions or experiences of the average poster here. In fact, takes like his make me pretty mad, because he makes men's issues sound like petty entitled nonsense. I blame the Duluth Model for robbing me of 20 years of my life, and almost losing my kids to suicide. I stayed for 10 years past the point of having any hope that we would ever be a remotely safe, healthy household, because I knew the chances of me getting primary custody of our k…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 04:24 PM
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"I hope one day you can heal from whatever trauma killed the empathy in you."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 03:12 PM
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“And I felt like so many of the conversations that were being had about me were not being had with me.” This is the most promising line in the whole thing. For the longest time, whenever Democrats or The Left talks about men, it's like they're talking about an Other, and only to each other. Never speaking to that male Other or including them in the conversation. Even when men participate in those conversations, it's only men who reinforce that style of conversation, and seem to regard the men th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 08:58 PM
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I think it's great that you're here. Not just because it's great to see your concern and support, but because it shows you're an independent thinker on some level. The internet tries really, really hard to funnel anyone who develops a curiosity on this subject towards toxic pro-male subcultures, and I think most women who are not of an independent mind stop there. And unfortunately, a lot of men who aren't end up either staying in those subcultures or giving up. We don't see a lot of women dropp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 08:19 PM
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You're likely to generate a lot of discussion, so it may be more productive as individual posts, for the sake of that discussion being more focused.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 06:54 PM
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These examples aren't really very critical of women, and the comments are full of people justifying negativity towards men and/or re-framing the topic to be sympathetic to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 08:05 PM
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As you delete your original comment. Real sly there. You're really saving face. I'm sure anyone reading this after the fact will read that "go sit down" you bolded and assume that you were the reasonable one here, without any curiosity as to what you redacted to earn that response.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 01:57 PM
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No, I 100% agree. Women seem to be mostly completely blind to their own privilege, even as they believe men are the ones so blind. Their depictions of struggle seem to be mostly about gathering the courage to exhibit confrontational attitude, and once they find the attitude to get in other people's faces, things just fall in line for them. And they don't seem to understand that things working out for them as soon as they learn to be confrontational is privilege incarnate. That if men behaved in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 01:49 PM
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Feminism's attitudes towards any sort of male culture, not just incels, is basically equivalent to Cold War USA's attitudes towards communism. "Better dead than red". In other words, they view it as a cognitohazard. They're afraid of understanding, because they believe it's a moral failure to do so. I think they repeat their thought-terminating cliche talking points on the subject not because they believe they're convincing arguments, but because they're innoculation against the threat of learni…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 03:13 PM
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I'm also seeing traditional chivalry values at play, because the reason being presented here to work on oneself is to protect women, not because men deserve well-being and we should do it for ourselves. Which, ironically, is not a mindset that is going to produce healing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/25 10:03 PM
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I have no problem at all associating with people who call themselves feminists, but don't participate in the toxic and harmful aspects of feminism that we criticize here. Problem is I only encounter them as rare individuals. I have never found a feminist community where they are the norm. And as I've said on other threads like this, I think it's because the toxic aspects of feminism are the natural conclusion of the typical patriarchy world view that is the common ground shared throughout all va…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/25 12:05 PM
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I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying your ex's response is dumb on multiple levels. I agree that they never call each other out pro-actively and directly. Your ex thinks that doing so would make them look bad. But not doing so makes them look bad, because it portrays implicit unity and agreement on the things they don't call each other out on. But also if you, for example, bring up criticisms of feminism somewhere like AskFeminists for which there is no defensible response, their respo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 04:28 PM
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However, feminists are still perceived as positive by the general public Add to this statement that feminism is directly responsible for many of the issues men face, and continue to advocate, with great societal influence, for men to continue to face their issues... and here you have the problem. I think the Duluth Model is largely responsible for the worst things that have happened to me in my life. Opposing its policies and the general set of beliefs and attitudes driving it is my top men's is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 03:39 PM
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yeah but it won't look good to see feminists debating each other I... I just can't fathom this... this is such a bizarre, obviously untrue way of seeing it... Especially when the #1 response feminists have to any criticism is to immediately disown other feminists - "Feminism's a large and varied movement, so complain to whoever did that thing, not us!" So they'll disagree and trash each other all the time, just not to each other's faces. Yeah, that works out for their public image so well XD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 03:18 PM
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I kinda think the modern form of feminism is the natural conclusion of a philosophy based on patriarchy theory, which is the common feature that strings all varieties of feminism together, at least since 2nd wave. By patriarchy theory, I'm referring to the type that believes that the last 10,000 years of human history are characterized by men conspiring to oppress women for the benefit of men. I don't think it's possible for a belief like this to achieve prevalence in a culture, without that cul…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 08:21 PM
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Billionaires aren't drinking much Colt 45. Have producers stopped making malt liquor? No they fucking haven't. I don't know what this has to do with anything. They're still not producing it for people who don't pay for it. How about Wal-Mart. Move in to a community. Squash small businesses. Local economy shrinks. Less people able to pay to shop at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart leaves, leaving a dead community sucked dry of wealth. Basic formula driving it is exactly what I described. A local buys something…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 10:49 PM
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The key word is "consumption". This is not a check for $50,000 cash, it is the total value of welfare benefits such as food assistance, housing assistance, medical care, and more, afforded to the indigent. It varies by state because states also have different welfare programs. Yeah, I knew what you meant. I have benefitted temporarily from WIC and Medicaid. My point is you can't just be anybody, quit your job because you feel like it, and get this stuff. There's lots of conditions. You can easil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 10:03 PM
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I think you are incredibly unaware of the reality all around you. In the U.S., this amounts to a consumption level of about $50,000 annually Please tell me who I must speak to to obtain my $50k check for doing nothing. The more you produce, the more you pay in taxes. And there comes a level of wealth where you can use the remainder to buy the government, and ensure the money you were taxed is spent on your interests regardless. Or just get tax loopholes lobbied into law. Wealth also abhors sitti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 08:55 PM
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Can you speak on what position the flavor of feminism you're promoting here takes regarding patriarchy theory? Because I've come to the conclusion that a belief system which posits that men conspired amongst themselves as a collective to oppress women for their own benefit for thousands of years is not a belief system that can ever allow men to have equal power with women in society. It's impossible to believe that this was the relationship between men & women for all of recorded history, withou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 08:46 PM
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That is unfortunate, but using the force of government to make people buy things they don't want at higher prices than they would otherwise pay is not helpful to society. Who are you arguing with here. Where is this idea coming from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 08:35 PM
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You focus on this arguments for it usually presuppose that everyone is starting from the same position and has the same opportunities. But I think the main thrust of captainhornheart's post was this, which you completely avoid acknowledging The level of reward for those who succeed in meritocracies also needs to be limited for the sake of society. We can have a minimum and a maximum, and still have a meritocracy. Without a minimum, people who are severely screwed enough in the opportunity depart…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 08:33 PM
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At this point, I believe the conspiracy theory that the upper class was spooked by the '00 protest era culminating in Occupy, and intentionally agitated the culture war to divide us. In retrospect I see that it began in the early 2010's. But around 2016, it's like this frenzied madness took over the left. I was the most radically leftist and politically tuned in person I knew. Best description of me is some sort of anarcho-communist, and I'm anti-bigotry through and through. I've promoted LGBT r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/25 12:46 AM
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I hope you're able to heal from whatever killed the empathy in you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/25 09:45 PM
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Deeper and longer lasting than any physical scar could ever be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/25 09:41 PM
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If you put a boy in prison and not put a girl in prison for the same thing, you are not criminalizing the thing, you are criminalizing being a boy. This is it. This is all that needs to be said on the subject. And this point applies to all double-standards, not just this prison issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/25 08:25 PM
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Women are welcome here. Everyone's welcome here. I think this community's on the better side of handling good faith engagement, even with people who don't agree. Not perfect, though. Ultimately, we want to represent and promote empathy for the male experience, as a counter to conservative male chest-thumping and 50's-style gender narratives. An echo chamber circle jerk can't do that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/25 06:03 PM
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There’s biological differences here that I feel need room to be acknowledged. I know I feel sad and disconnected and not even seen when it’s minimized. It's ironic, though, that it seems like our size is actually a handicap. Because it puts us in this spot where we're told these two things at the same time: You're stronger than a woman, therefor using your strength in any interaction with her is unfair and makes you the worst scum, even in self-defense. But also, because women are smaller, there…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/25 05:46 PM
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What does left wing mean to you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 08:24 PM
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Sometimes I agree. But other times, people say "Men and boys" or "Women and girls" and it makes me cringe worse than male/female. It sounds even less natural than males/females, and just comes across as trying painfully hard to tiptoe around this weird obsession over a pet peeve that society has developed because in some situations some people use a word in a way that's a little skeevy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/25 09:15 PM
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I read this as: Teach information literacy to the people closest to you. (Which is something that's important independently of anything to do with men's issues, and yes, something everybody should be doing. Nobody's contesting that.) Hope that enough other people are doing the same (which they aren't) that things are different generations from now. And in the meantime... get wrecked. Don't engage with the issues caused by our information landscape as it exists in the present. Also... you know mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/25 07:10 PM
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It supports your point that there are problems with online discourse. My point is you offer nothing as to what to do about it. We can recognize the problem and change how we as individuals relate to it. That doesn't change anything in terms of the larger issue. I'm not even disagreeing that we should encourage others to change how they relate to online discourse. But that's an even more uphill battle than gender politics. It's not happening anytime soon. And in the meantime.... what.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/25 06:45 PM
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You're not wrong about the nature of online discourse right now. But at the same time, you're acting like it isn't influential, and your answer is to just cede that ground. To just let your opponents have 100% of the microphone, and... do what to compensate? You think convincing people to get offline is more realistic? Everybody's online, and will be for the foreseeable future. Not everybody's terminally online. But fact is 99% of the population, no matter how much they touch grass, is online, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/25 05:45 PM
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Just watched the first episode.... yeah.... it was hard to get through. Edit: Ok I got through the whole thing. Even knowing what the subject matter was, I couldn't have been prepared for that. But probably one of the best works of art I've ever seen for realistically portraying just how fucked up life can be, and what a strange, tragic, and dangerous thing human connection really is. Many thoughts I could write about, but... it was good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/25 04:41 PM
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It was a massive traitor moment, literally robbing the people of the chance to have leadership representing the values that she claims to want represented. Bernie already had trouble with people going after him for being an old white man, or spreading the narrative that his supporters are toxic "Bernie Bros". That really might have been the nail in the coffin for that primary. I liked her before, but she's been dead to me ever since that incident. Her hubris bears some responsibility for all the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 09:43 PM
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Look at this example. It's not that it's seen as not so bad. Jessie 100% acknowledges that this episode will haunt Daniel for the rest of his life. But then at the same time, she puts more energy into expressing sympathy for all the women around Daniel, including his accuser, than she puts into sympathy for Daniel. How this isn't fair to Daniel's wife, how this will hurt public reaction to other *real* (female) victims, and even how she sees the accuser as someone who deserves sympathy because s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 09:02 PM
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That's exactly the issue. Every time this happens, it's presented like the worst sort of non-apology. Insincere, depersonalized, and puts more energy into justifying the behavior than into acknowledging the damage done by it. Even treating repeated incidents as if they're isolated one-offs. I believe Jessie think's she's exercising nuance and accountability here. But doesn't have the self-awareness to realize how she's failing. There are parts of this that I may be getting wrong about Jessie per…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 07:46 PM
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Yeah, I'll probably end up watching or re-watching all the stuff suggested here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 06:49 PM
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@ 9:30 : "Believing victims isn't about instantly believe they're telling the truth and going after the accused. It just means believing their emotions." This is rich, coming from the cultural sphere that most fiercely pushes that punitive culture. The people who crusade that you can't even enjoy works of art by someone accused of SA without receiving condemnation for supporting a villain. It's not like it's conservatives who push that. But here's someone speaking on behalf of that cultural sphe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 05:03 PM
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We had people like Elizabeth Warren trying to explain that "believe women" was only a figure of speech intended to provide women the space and permission they need to tell their stories. At the same time as she was accusing Bernie of being a sexist, and getting mad that not enough people automatically believed her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 03:06 PM
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I don't exactly disagree with this post, but it makes this seem more difficult and complicated than it really is. And many of the examples would not really work most of the time in my experience. It might with family, where there's more of a pre-existing foundation to build on and a sense of obligation to try with each other. Not so much with most anyone else. It's really not that hard. #1 thing is just don't be condescending. Like don't speak from a place of asserting your correctness, and expe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/25 07:38 PM
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Yeah, I think your portrayal of the thought process is spot on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:35 PM
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I've heard Men Don't Tell brought up several times around here. Which is really interesting for a made for TV film from over 30 years ago. Not the type of thing that's usually remembered much. It must be worth checking out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:33 PM
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I haven't seen Gone Girl. But there was a thread on AskWomen a couple years ago where someone asked what characters from tv shows or movies they identify with. And a disturbing number of women replied with Gone Girl. It was probably the most common response on the thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:31 PM
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Yeah, that is an interesting note. Very true. We get representations of male fantasy, but very rarely anything that's about making actual men feeling seen in their lives, which is something that women seem to have lots to choose from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:30 PM
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You know, I've been thinking about the Mrs Piggy thing lately. It really is interesting in how it portrays Kermit being a blatant victim in plain sight. Right in front of everybody. But no one else ever acknowledges what's happening right in front of them. Which is actually incredibly poignant. It highlights a pretty clear difference in gendered abuse dynamics, because men at least have to make some effort to hide their abusiveness. Women really don't. They can just hit and scream at their partn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:18 PM
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While feeling seen by something would be nice, that wasn't the motivation for this post. I was actually just curious in terms of what it says about our media culture. That one side is very represented, and the other isn't at all. I was especially prompted by comments on that video essay where men expressed frustration with always being cast as the villain and there's always a woman responding with how many movies feature male heroes, and I was like... do they really not get it or are they being …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:11 PM
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My instinct is that she (and her audience) have probably recontextualized her past in that relationship as not ever having been an example of a man being abused by a woman at all, because she was always a woman and just didn't know it. And that revelation is probably used to reinforce the notion that the issue is primarily male perpetrator/female victim. Because even when we think we have a counter-example, more information revealed later determines that it wasn't. I would be very surprised if t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:05 PM
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It frankly hurts to look back on that video. I was a fan of PhilosophyTube before she made it, and she put out that video around the time I was going through my separation. It was a big deal to me. I watched it several times like comfort food. And now....... She's just another breadtuber shitting on men constantly. Like to an obnoxious level. Like in one of her more recent videos where she talks about a career incident where her work is stolen... by a man... she even says it like "A MAAAAN stole…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 06:32 PM
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I don't really care about Louis CK personally. My only exposure to his material has been a couple image memes of quotes of his I've seen passed around over the years, only one of which I actually remember. Just to be clear that I have no investment in defending him personally. But I do want to understand. The thing I don't get right now with your post is the claim of blackmail. This is a type of narrative I see a lot. That often a man propositioning or having a relationship with a woman is doing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/25 08:37 PM
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So... wait... he asks first, doesn't touch anyone but himself, and every instance was with adult women. And I'm supposed to believe this is malicious? Am I missing something? This is what he got cancelled over? It's eccentric for sure. Unprofessional, yes. I wouldn't even have a problem with calling it creepy behavior. I'm sure he made people very uncomfortable and that's not good. But calling it malicious or suggesting that he victimized anyone seems too far for me based on what I see at a glan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/25 02:41 PM
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Yeah, it's an honest, but wildly optimistic meme. Not happening anytime soon. Things will have to get much worse still before those sorts of compromises will be offered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 09:28 PM
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Just to add more clarity for those who can't see it. It's up to almost 10,000 comments. At the top level, 99% of them are some variation of one of these, and some of these comments I'm sharing have 5k to 10k likes. It feels like I'm reading an AskFeminists thread. But it's the comment section of a post by NPR. Just shows how the AskFeminist style rhetoric is NOT fringe at all - this is a current day mainstream reaction to any suggestion that we should consider offering men any empathy. Maybe *me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 06:46 PM
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Also glossing over how even 100 years ago, women were still outliving men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 04:53 PM
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I've scrolled down hundreds of posts. Probably 1000. It's all the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 03:57 PM
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This kind of shit is why I'm a recluse. I also think this demonstrates why men die younger and commit suicide at much higher rates, especially with a much higher success rate. Because it's hard when presented with this kind of hatred towards you constantly to not eventually internalize it. I can't imagine the fucked up contradictions of feeling in these women's heads towards the men in their lives - their brothers, fathers, etc. I'm sure they don't hate them the way these comments would make it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 03:07 PM
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But here's two other issues I also have with this: Women who promote this conversation are only thinking of it in terms of improving behavioral expectations for men. Even the video author speaks this entire time in one-directional gender coded language. I think most of them would not be willing to continue this if they expected these expectations to also apply to them. From what I can tell of my personal experiences and others that I hear about, when women do take initiative to initiate and purs…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 10:04 PM
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I remember hearing about the Aziz case, and it being pointed to as a case of feminist overreach, labeling something as rape that was just an awkward date. I never read it for myself. It's pretty wild to hear the details from this video now, because... that does sound like pretty rapey behavior. Not very grey area to me, as has been suggested to me in the past, and is even suggested by this video. I feel stronger condemnation for his behavior based on Olurinatti's reading of it than Olurinatti he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 10:04 PM
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Exact same here. I usually check the comments before watching a video these days, because it's a good indicator of what the video will actually cover and whether it's even worth it. And that's the first thing I see...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 08:25 PM
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and they're butting heads with a lot of Democrats who are starting to acknowledge that men have issues worth addressing. Which means it's worse than thinking those issues don't exist. Because if it were just that, then they wouldn't have much reason to care if someone else wastes their time addressing a non-existent issue. Butting heads over it indicates that whether they think issues exist or not, they don't want them addressed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 06:08 AM
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I agree with you that there's a distinction, but it's a fuzzy one. Violence against men may be less often due to explicitly conscious hatred of men by the perpetrator, and more because of the greater permissibility of violence towards men. But where is the line between greater permissibility of violence towards men and hatred of men? Isn't that just hatred of men by society? Regardless of a perpetrator's conscious thoughts towards their victim's gender, isn't their action on some level an expres…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 06:29 PM
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This is the other thing I hate about the abortion issue. As soon as you express any issue with the argument someone makes, they treat you as if you're on the other side. Which is how most people are with most issues these days, but it's 1000% worse with abortion than anything else. So I'm just going to reiterate that I'm pro-choice. As I stated in the first place. You seem to have missed that. I'm not trying to loophole anything. But go ahead and tell me I'm proving your point about how people u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 03:37 PM
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A fetus doesn't have autonomy as it requires the body and organs of another person to survive. Which, in most cases, is a situation the fetus finds itself in as a consequence of decisions made by the mother. Which makes this simplification appear dishonest. It's not a parasite that sprung out of a swamp and maliciously attached itself to a host like a leech. I'm pro-choice, but I hate the abortion issue so much because both sides seem to approach it with rabid intellectual dishonesty. Both over-…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 02:53 PM
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Yeah, it constantly grates on me that the word choice is stuff like "doesn't care" or "ignores", when really they villainize men, frame the problems faced by every other group they enthusiastically market themselves as catering to as caused by cishet white men, and openly mock the idea that men have any issues aside from self-inflicted emotional incompetence. It's hard not to feel suspicious of people who turn that into "ignores".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 02:48 PM
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Oh look. One of the things they blatantly have in common with other recognized hate cults. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 02:43 PM
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That's interesting. I simplified things for a punchier post. Guys didn't just use their hands. But only guys used their hands. I was made fun of by everybody. It was a very small school in a very rural area. Being the odd one out in small town culture just means being the acceptable social punching bag for everybody. But it was always about being weird or nerdy. I got very little shit about fashion. Maybe because most people there were poor. There was definitely status stuff associated with nice…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:14 PM
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I was bullied as a kid. Guys used their hands. Girls used their words and their eyes. The form it takes may differ by gender. The thing itself doesn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 08:44 PM
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Oh, damn I didn't notice XD I did lose another big private chat I had with someone a while back. When I was looking for it, I found talk that Reddit did something like a year ago that purged a lot of message histories. I've still got ours though. To find it, I just clicked on the notification bell in the upper right and switched to the Messages tab there. I often save my written comments to a text file on my hard drive first before sending because sometimes janky social media sites will just far…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 02:56 PM
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It doesn't mean it is a system of intentional sexism or malevolent design. Could be a natural and unavoidable result of biology and psychology. I don't think it was biology or psychology. I think there are some differences in average traits between men and women, but I'm far from gender essentialist. I think it's pretty easily explained by how agrarian lifestyles up until like 100 years ago created pressure to have lots of children. I'm just going to borrow something I wrote in the past when deb…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 08:37 AM
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If by working class you mean poor (I assume since you contrast your use of the term working class against middle class), I disagree. I've lived my whole life in the USA midwest, mostly Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin. My parents both come from farming families, and I grew up very poor until about my late teens. I spent the core of my youth in a very poor rural neighborhood. The poor. The middle class. Any class. They're just people, and none are smarter than the other. Any apparent difference i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/25 06:08 PM
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I'm some combination of "Totally real and impactful, but different from how feminists portray it" and "too overblown". I think it's an indisputable fact that positions of institutional power have been mostly held by men globally throughout history. That the family structure was male-oriented in some senses in many places and times, such as men being the ones to pass on their family names. That it was seen as the proper norm in most cultures for a man to be in charge of most things. I don't think…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/25 02:55 PM
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I agree, but it's also not as simple as that. It's messy, right? Like sometimes people just post while worked up and hyperbolize too strongly. Or phrase something in a way that gets misinterpreted. Or whatever. And then there are actual bad actors saying shitty things who really need to get called out. I would like it if those people were always called out, yeah. But I think we should also be fair and realistic with ourselves. Being the internet police is too big a job for anyone to put on thems…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 06:53 PM
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It's incredible how they can't do the math. They'll pin male loneliness on toxic masculinity - that we're just emotionally incompetent and don't put in the work to maintain friendships..... as they are participating in talking to men this way. Yeah, when half the population addresses you like this based on how you were born, the world's going to be a lonely fucking place. Unless you're willing to participate in contributing to the problem, like this guy. It's a pretty simple situation to underst…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 06:20 PM
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A significant majority of people will just adopt and absorb the prevailing beliefs of the group and not critically think about them. Which relates to the "social media isn't activism" sentiment being questioned on this sub lately. It's important to challenge these beliefs, because not challenging them just offers them the privilege of being perceived as the default. Critical thinking is prompted by the perception that controversy exists. Feminism deflects perception of controversy by having succ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/25 06:05 PM
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For me, it's catharsis, because I've actually been through some shit. These types of posts have been cropping up more and more often lately, and I'm pretty up front about that. I'm not hateful about it. I don't say anything unfair to anybody. I try to engage constructively. But that is ultimately why I'm here, and stuff that doesn't have anything to do with that I mostly ignore because it has little to do with me, and I'm not into telling other people to stop having feelings about things. I've b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 04:56 AM
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I don't think all feminists seek the destruction of men. I don't think many people here say things like that. I think most around here recognize that the average person who identifies as a feminist isn't Sally Gearhart, any more than the average person who identifies as a capitalist isn't Elon Musk. I admit there are people who do speak that way about feminists. I don't devote a lot of energy to challenging them, but I do challenge them sometimes. I don't agree with saying absolutist things abou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 04:23 AM
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I don't think anybody's saying that feminism never did anything progressive. The comment you're responding to was. Feminists are a hate movement though, there's nothing "progressive" about it. Which isn't saying anything about what the movement has done. It's a statement about what the movement is. I have the same concern for language that you do. In fact, I've written about something similar to what you call slippery slope language before (https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/q18wqr/flande…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 03:51 AM
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I think you guys are talking past each other at the moment. BlueSlicker is pointing out how if a movement is recognized as a hate movement, it is not normal to bring up positive things that the hate movement happened to accomplish despite being a hate movement. Rucs isn't deflecting so much as they're not making the connection, I think failing to see how a movement that accomplished a significant good thing could be a hate movement. Rucs, yes, feminism was a force in getting women the vote. But …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 12:39 AM
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It's less about reasonableness and more about being uninformed, gullible, and reactionary. And by reactionary, I mean basing their decisions mostly off emotional reactions. We can criticize people engaging with politics so poorly all we want. But in the end, that's the humanity we have to work with, no matter how much we complain about it. Ultimately, the party we want to win has to engage with that humanity better than their opponents, and that's all there is to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 11:16 PM
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All I can say is that feminism bears a lot of direct responsibility for the traumas I've suffered in my life that led to my interest in this sub. If not for the Duluth Model and corrupt feminist academia surrounding the subject of domestic & sexual violence, I probably wouldn't have ever found myself posting here. So framing someone like me as trying to silence or abuse others for speaking their voice is kinda... crap. A really poor description of what both they and I are doing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 11:10 PM
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Like the first time someone reads that 1 in 3 men are victims of domestic abuse, they probably aren't going to feel super invested, and will just blow it off, and maybe the second time, and the third time. But if someone reads that 1 in 3 men face abuse 50 times... Its going to start to sink in. This is so important and no one acknowledges it. The perception of the prevalence of a fact or narrative in a person's environment has a huge effect on the average person's acceptance of it. It literally…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 07:39 AM
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But I think what the post is trying to get across is that simply posting, especially when you have a small audience or a homogeneous audience that already believes what you believe, accomplishes nothing Bolded for emphasis. Honestly, I think this is one of the left's greatest weaknesses for the past 10 years or so. If you look at almost all public-facing leftist media, whether it's videos, tweets, memes, or whatever, it's all postured as entertainment for those who already agree, at the expense …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 07:19 PM
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It's Richard Reeve's pet policy proposal that boys start school a year later than girls, on the basis that they're supposedly about a year behind girls in brain development.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 07:12 PM
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It's all important, and that includes social media. The proud raging misandry that swept our culture in the late 2010's and hasn't stopped did so through social media. The various forms of conservative hysteria that unite under Trump do so through social media. Occupy formed through social media. It's not about "spreading awareness". It's spectacle. It's posturing. It's propaganda. It's not about influencing what facts people know or how they think about the world. It's about influencing how peo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 07:03 PM
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I suggest just taking some time browsing this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 11:59 AM
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Just posting to back you up on supporting this video. It's one of the best video essays I've ever seen, and very important to our modern situation. Like the ramifications of this topic go all the way to the top these days. To the presidential election level. If I were a teacher, I'd show this video in class. And get fired. But it would be worth it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/25 10:53 PM
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It's not hard to put together a list like this from the internet. Give me half an hour, and I'll put together for you 10 pages of posts by people who honestly believe that they are dragons. Not just metaphorically or spiritually, but are actually dragons. But showing you dragonkin posts wouldn't be evidence that dragonkin are a significant portion of the population. It would only mean that the internet is used by such a large number of people that if you assemble content representing a small por…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/25 10:41 PM
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Again, we could each spend dozens of hours picking through the weeds over this. But it's ultimately not the most important thing to me. What bothers me is the double-standard in reactions to this case. I can't say I know this about you personally. But I'm 100% certain that the majority of people taking Heard's side in this, which I believe to be the mainstream opinion on the left now, would never have cared what the full audio was if the recordings were gender flipped. They would have heard a ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/25 10:24 PM
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There's a difference between updating your opinion on truths about the world as you're exposed to more information, and not having consistent values. By grounded perspective, I mean having a solid foundation of principles. And most of the insanity I see today seems to be rooted in people not having a well-constructed foundation of value principles. Just shallow notions, which are easily manipulated. And I mean that for both sides of politics. For example, one of my most basic principles is anti-…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/25 05:13 AM
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Basically agreeing with you here, and just adding thoughts. More direct democracy is 100% needed. Representative democracy is a product of a history with far more restricted communication. It's insane that most of humanity now has the ability to instantly communicate with most of the rest of humanity at any time, but our methods of organization haven't changed to reflect that. We needed representatives to speak on our behalf, because we couldn't all be physically present at the discussion. Now t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 09:31 PM
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I feel the same way about the left's positions on most culture war issues these days. I was radical left by 2000's standards. As in most people I knew thought my political stances were pretty nuts. My positions have hardly changed, and I'm moderate by today's standards. Most people have fucking gone off the deep end, and the remainder who've maintained any grounded perspective are politically homeless.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 08:15 PM
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Pt 4 of 4 Also, the Duluth Model is a movement founded in Duluth, Minnesota in the early 80's. It's an ideological framework for explaining domestic violence, a methodology for rehabilitating those guilty of domestic violence and servicing victims, a policy agenda for law enforcement and legal response to domestic disturbance calls and accusations (including mandatory arrests for men), and an organization which lobbies for all these things. Its foundational premise is that all domestic violence …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 07:58 PM
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Pt 3 of 4 She moved out about 5 years ago. We've still not done anything legally. After all my experiences consulting with authorities, reviewing my options and priorities, and reading the room, I convinced her to move out on her own by patiently grey-rocking for about 2 years until she gave up. I just minimized interaction with her and anytime she insisted on trying to argue with me, I'd stare blank and emotionless through her, speaking the bare minimum I could get away with, until she was done…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 07:58 PM
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Pt 2 of 4 But when the accused is a woman, that attitude flips to the total opposite. Suddenly it's the noble thing to make no judgments until reviewing all available evidence, considering full context, and giving every benefit of the doubt. And people try so very fucking hard. Pour so many hours into gathering knowledge and nitpicking every detail and finding every reason to question the accusation against the woman. The very thing that's criticized when it's a man. I've seen this not just with…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 07:57 PM
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Reddit going to force me to break this up again. Pt 1 of 4 I started writing a big post responding point by point on the evidence. But I think this is a mistake. I will not be able to reply in as much detail as you can, because this stuff is fresh in your memory while for me it's been a couple years. And if we get into the weeds with each other, I could spend many hours dredging up old links for the sake of competing in nitpicking the points back and forth. We will both end up writing multiple n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 07:56 PM
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Pt 2 I'm 41, and was in an abusive relationship with a woman from 2000 to 2020. We had kids in 2004, and for the last 10 years of that relationship, I was only staying because I was afraid of what would happen to our kids if I left and she got primary custody. I was pretty much dead inside and spent most of that decade in a state of mild dissociation. I left in 2020, because our older son started mentally spiraling and attempted suicide as a result of her abuse, and it became a matter of I get h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/25 08:46 PM
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Pt 1 - Long comment that reddit's making me split up Depp for sure didn't come out of this whole affair looking good. He is the perfect example of an imperfect victim. But I notice that in your post, you don't mention any evidence of him actually perpetrating abuse. Only evidence of him having substance abuse issues. I've read through a good chunk of the judge's decision from the UK trial, and watched somewhere in the range of 2-4 hours of the USA trial. And I've listened to majority of the audi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/25 08:45 PM
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Just have to stop in the middle of listening to this and take notice... the more I come across discussion of the red-shirting proposal for education, I notice that women always respond to this with a really positive enthusiasm. Like they *really* like this idea. Their faces and voices just light up. Even in this interview, the positive energy of the interviewer is fairly mild. Then red-shirting comes up and her voice just fucking glows. You can hear her leaning in. And I can't help but feel like…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/25 06:40 PM
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I see it roughly the same as VeganSumo. I agree that it's fucking up natural human interaction to pathologize normal behaviors so much. But at the same time, I find it higher priority to address how people like Liz Plank will hype up these behaviors as the worst things a human being can do to one another ("rape is worse than murder" is a pretty mainstream opinion these days it seems)... but then promote that it's perfectly acceptable to do them to men. There are two impacts from these cultural m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/25 08:40 PM
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On a quick browse, I'm really liking this. It's actually dedicating a proper focus to the discrimination in the justice system and support services, instead of the typical "This is an example of patriarchy hurting men too because its gender norms dictate that women are too weak to harm men" angle. It even talks about men staying in abusive situations to protect the kids, and rather than judging them for doing so, as most people in my experience do, it validates their reasoning by pointing out ho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/25 05:22 PM
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Out of curiosity, I search for Liz Plank on AskFeminists, and sure enough... several threads recommending her book. Not a single mention of her pulling stunts like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/25 07:40 AM
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You don't believe men can be abused by women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 05:07 PM
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I don't like the focus on dating in gender politics, either. Men absolutely do have bigger problems. I wouldn't say it's not important though. It doesn't bother me that it's a part of the conversation, only that it seems to dominate the conversation, and that it's dominated by Red Pill-style complaints. Hypergamy and other such complaints about "female nature". Dating involves the same issues that men face in other areas, after all. My top concern as an LWMA is legal and cultural discrimination …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 04:37 PM
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Do you actually meet people in your life who have never heard these talking points before? I have not encountered such a person in at least 10 years. I can only feel bewilderment at what sort of people you must know who lead you to the expectation that saying this stuff to anybody, much less a space explicitly dedicated to gender politics, will be imparting anything novel to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/25 04:48 PM
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I don't even want that. I just want to not be discriminated against.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/25 04:08 PM
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This also denies that women exercise agency through their use of sexuality in interacting with men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 07:37 PM
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I'd say it's not the oppressor/oppressed dichotomy, because it's pretty damn evident that groups can be oppressed or participate in oppressing. I'd say it's absolutism. Which is what you're describing here. But "this group is subjected to fewer societal failures" gets flanderized into "it's impossible for society to ever fail this group in any way." Absolutism will ruin any idea. It's no reason to throw away the idea. Be careful that your reaction doesn't just throwing more absolutism on the pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 04:02 PM
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This stuff is fucking terrifying. It's incredible that there are still men who associate with women, when this is what so many of us get out of it in the end.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 03:26 PM
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One of my core beliefs is that if millions of people have the same problem, it cannot possibly be a matter of individual accountability. This perspective is, imo, one of the defining features of leftism. Feminism has just latched onto the left like a parasite, and deprived it of its ability to apply this to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 03:09 PM
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This guy isn't worth the effort to address the dishonesty in his representation of TinMen. So he literally comes straight out and says that male gender expectations are to blame for male suicide, which is... by definition... a societal problem... and even highlights himself the definition saying it's a societal problem. But then ends his video with the conclusion that this is something for men to confront individually and internally. I hope he also concludes that female gender expectations are f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 07:39 PM
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Same with my ex. Perfectly normal, pleasant, a good person even, until something triggers her insecure or confrontational side, or you get too close to her. I still say she's not an evil person, just an extremely damaged person. And I screwed myself over by being able to see that when I was younger, and having a selfless moral compass.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 05:59 PM
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Yeah, I'm 99% certain of my amateur BPD diagnosis for her. There are a lot of ways to trap men. It began with suicide threats and taking advantage of my sort of white knight mentality when I was 17. And yeah, we had kids. The last 10 years were just staying to protect them. I think there's far more men like me than anyone realizes, but we're invisible for a bunch of reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 05:51 PM
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I don't think it's possible to understand unless you've experienced it first-hand. Like just her screaming alone. The words screaming or shrieking don't describe the pitch and tone and how her use of them could feel like claws digging into your soul. And it's not like these things immediately damage you. It's the long-term living conditions. Living braced for conflict all day every day for years. Everything you do being complicated and exhausting. Even going to sleep... pretending to sleep for h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 05:39 PM
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100% It's my personal opinion and belief that a lot of male gender stereotypes and toxic male culture are a product of this. I'm 41 and beliefs about male culture and identity weren't half as absolutist as they are today. Brutish, anti-emotional types existed and people recognized that type of guy existed. But there wasn't this all-encompassing narrative that this is how society demands all men be all the time. And I think we're seeing the rise of an Andrew Tate-like movement that leans into tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 10:18 PM
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Browse this sub a little bit and it shouldn't be hard to put together. Just look at the next most recent thread right before this one. It's a perfect example. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1i06vpz/does_anyone_else_get_annoyed_by_the_its_not_about/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 05:53 PM
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This was one of the things that drove me away from left-leaning spaces. They'd tell me it's not about me. If I'm not the type of man they're talking about, then it shouldn't bother me. But the rhetoric isn't complaining about a type of man. It's convincing people to see men as that type of man by default. They know me as an individual and don't think they're talking about me personally. But they're telling strangers that don't know me to see me as the type of man they're complaining about until …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 05:49 PM
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Going to speak just for myself here. I'll admit as I have admitted before, I'm here mainly as a somewhat maladaptive coping mechanism to process shit I've been through. This subject became important to me and reading here helps me to refine my perspective on it. I write to help sharpen the narrative/help others refine their perspectives along with me, and to just vent/process. I try to offer something constructive by just being thoughtful, and that's not much but I don't think it's nothing. I'm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/25 03:17 PM
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Pretty sure I found it. Took less than 2 minutes. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1hvn678/why_are_domestic_abuse_shelters_gendered/ On a quick scroll through the comments, there are plenty that are more supportive than the OP depicts. But also plenty that are just as adversarial as OP depicts, which are getting plenty of upvotes. Here's one example from a top 1% commenter that currently has 150 upvotes and an award. Not exactly the most sensitive way to respond to someone who is c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 10:44 PM
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I think I could be described as radical leftist since the late 90's. Closest description to my political beliefs is probably anarcho-communist. I considered myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-thirties. I considered domestic & sexual violence to be a primarily women's issue. But over the years, my personal counter-experiences piled up. Including being trapped in an abusive relationship myself for 20 years, the last 10 years only staying to protect my kids. I disregarded my experience as a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 10:30 PM
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I like MLK too. But the way history has used MLK as a focal point for education and cultural memory regarding the civil rights movement is a separate issue from MLK's virtue as a person. And it's that which I'm meaning to invoke here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 01:27 AM
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Watch his interview on TheTinMen's channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKq1DZdySjQ). Somewhere in the latter half of the video, there is a section where TheTinMen guy (don't actually know his name) pressures Reeves a bit. Challenges him on the notion of whether men's issues are a matter of rights the same way women's issues historically were, and on how his work so far pointedly avoids certain subjects like domestic violence. Reeves gets very stern here, pushes back hard, and says loudly an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/25 11:14 PM
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I had the opposite and was pretty young for my grade and struggled with it socially, but was still ahead of my classmates academically and would have been super bored yet another year back. Dude same. I think I was actually the youngest in my class throughout elementary school, if I remember right. Birthday very close to the cut-off for admission to kindergarten at 5 years old. I also don't like this idea that boys are worse at organization or staying on top of responsibilities because of brain …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/25 08:01 PM
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But it would be nice if he at least mentioned the gendered forces (pressure to be high earners) and sexism (discrimination by admin) that drive men away from teaching. I think the biggest problem here is the overwhelmingly popular opinion that it's not safe for men to be around children. I'm not sure how many male teachers my son had, but he witnessed 2 of them face accusations of molestation made by female classmates, who in both cases later admitted it that they were lies and they just didn't …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/25 06:57 PM
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This is the best interview I've seen by Reeves. He avoided saying some of the stuff he says that normally really bothers me. Like when the topic turned to education, he didn't bring up red-shirting, which I am whole-heartedly against. He was also more direct than normal about calling out casual misandry in left-wing culture, which was a pleasant surprise and big step in the right direction. I still don't really want this guy representing me in the end, though. He has made it very clear that he w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/25 04:18 PM
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I'd like to know her social media diet. At what point is it proper to label anti-male sentiment linked to incidents like these stoccastic terrorism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/25 06:58 PM
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It needs to decide whether it's a women's advocacy movement or gender equality movement. Pick one and stick with it. If it's a gender equality movement, then men's issues are as important as women's. If there are aspects of our culture and law where any gender is granted disproportionate power compared to another, then that's a gender equality issue. If the movement only cares when it disadvantages women, then it's not a movement for gender equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 12:45 PM
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there isn't much social or cultural support for male victims of sexual and domestic violence ... they simply blame women and feminism for their problems. Problem is feminism is largely directly to blame on this point. They've drenched our society in dishonest academia and propaganda for generations to ensure as much as possible that people see this category of issues as male perpetrator/female victim, and that combined with their lobbying and activism is responsible for the institutional discrim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 12:41 PM
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Really don't connect with this article at all, frankly. It feels like a lot of brain rot. I mean... there's multiple paragraphs dedicated to claiming that the standard proportions of clothing is an expression of white supremacy. Like sure there's something worth criticism there. But it isn't fashion designers twirling their villain mustaches like "Failing to fit into these pants sure will punish them for being born the wrong skin color and failing euro-centric masculine ideals!" People like this…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 03:31 AM
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One reason that men are so inescapably lonely is that they’re not putting in the work of getting vulnerable with other people, or offering others social support. This is not the fault of women. Nor is it caused by men’s inherent evil or selfishness. No, the norms of masculinity are simply so restricting, and the range of acceptable male behavior so thin, that scores and scores of men have no concept of how to meaningfully connect. I'm so, so, so sick of seeing this narrative everywhere. Yeah, it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 03:19 AM
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Once you stop shutting your mind off against recognizing it for what it is, you see it everywhere all the time. I know "The Red Pill" has a specific ideological context at this point, unfortunately, but it really does feel like that. Like as another commenter pointed out... Miss Piggy's been right there all along. I'm 41 and that's what I grew up with as a kid. Looking back on it, I was always uncomfortable with that character. But I subconsciously wrestled down that discomfort. Didn't allow mys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 07:19 PM
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That's kinda what I get out of it, too. It reads to me like a straight admission that they constructed the study to maximize their portrayal of women as victims/men as perpetrators, and obfuscated any data that could be reformatted to contest their portrayal. Even in this response, they admit that 1 in 5 "lifetime" victims of rape are men (which sounds a lot different from "women have 4 times the number of lifetime victims than men" doesn't it? - choice of phrasing reveals a lot). But then in th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/24 05:58 PM
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My ex isn't an evil person. But she's a severely emotionally damaged and unstable person, with a wrathful side of her that she loses control of. I don't think she would consciously decide, in a calculated evil sort of way, to use false accusations against me for revenge or control. But I think she loses control and flails at the lowest hanging fruit to direct situations in the way she wants, and that could include false accusations. And less damaging, but still awful, lies were definitely a feat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 11:09 PM
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Honestly, that's how I interpreted it. It's a phrasing that allows them plausible deniability when cornered and forced to save face to acknowledge the reality that women can abuse men. Mitigates the likelihood that they'll have to face such a cornering by allowing people who recognize that reality to read it with maybe a raised eyebrow, while also allowing them to express discreetly what they really mean. That they don't believe women can abuse men. Because they really mean the stuff you pointed…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 09:44 PM
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I think it's a complicated issue. But what angers me the most is how every argument that would expand men's rights is rejected on the basis of "best interests of the child". But every argument that would diminish a woman's rights for the sake of their child is rejected as oppression of women. I also hate the similar intellectual dishonesty in the use of "bodily autonomy" arguments (from the same people who like to flirt with the idea of forced vasectomies these days). It's another one of those s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 08:16 PM
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While we do recognize there are cases of domestic violence other than male perpetrated violence against women Gotta love the twisted word knots they're willing to weave to avoid directly saying the much simpler "While we recognize women also abuse men". It's in bits like this where you can really shed any doubt whatsoever as to their ideologically-driven nature. Nobody would write a sentence like this unless it was really, really important to maximize the negative portrayal of one group compared…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 07:34 PM
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She could have been lying about his promise to marry. These people have no knowledge as to whether such a direct promise was ever made, or if it was something she misinterpreted or something. Or what's very likely in my opinion is she could have coerced him into making such a promise. She could have made him feel trapped in the relationship, via threats of revenge or suicide, which could be why he stayed for 8 years, but didn't want to succumb to further legal entrapment by marriage. I'm guessin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 07:27 PM
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There's no code involved. I've seen countless examples of feminists openly describing patriarchy as a system invented by men to oppress women for 10,000 years. Using those words. This is what they say when they're speaking candidly. Not in fringe radical corners of the internet, either. "Patriarchy is an innate social structure perpetuated for hundreds of years that enforces gender roles and thus inequality" is the sort of thing they say when they're feeling some pressure to clean up for the cam…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 06:34 PM
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Then when women asked for the right to vote why didn’t they just give it to them? Cultural inertia. And at the time they were asking, not all men had the right to vote, either. My point is that they had to fight for it. Tooth and freaking nail. Men had to fight for it too? They want to take away no-fault divorce women have to stay in abusive marriages. And so do men. But thanks for revealing that you don't believe women abusing men happens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 06:14 PM
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I normally say that I reject the notion of patriarchy, because I know what they really mean when they say it. If what they meant was the neutral observation that men occupied most positions of institutional power through most of history, I would of course not object to that observation. This is unarguably true. But they don't. The way they describe patriarchy out loud all the time is that human history is characterized by a massive conspiracy amongst almost all men with the intention to oppress …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/24 05:02 PM
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Women largely don't understand the social ostracism and danger of being labelled like this. And I'm tired of being patient and understanding about it. We're expected to pay so much attention to women's issues. To have so much empathy and care for them. To treat their issues with such nuance. To give them every benefit of the doubt. To look at every behavior of theirs through the lens of "what women's issue could be responsible for this bad behavior they're doing that would explain they're actual…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/24 05:07 PM
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Custody falls under reproductive rights in my mind, too. I stayed in an abusive relationship for 10 years past the point where I had zero hope things would ever get better, just to protect my kids from her. If I had left and she had retained primary custody of our older son, I am certain he would be dead today. Direct experience with a male friend becoming a father via rape. Friend with benefits lied about being infertile. After she got pregnant, she admitted she lied just because she wanted his…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/24 04:24 PM
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I've watched the first 3 minutes, and there are already so so so many problems. First, he defines socialism as the factors of production being controlled by democratic processes. And immediately after, he quotes Ludwig von Mises, an opponent of socialism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig\_von\_Mises), regarding socialism's core character, which we says is the factors of production being controlled by a single will. The exact opposite of the definition the video started with. But LiquidZulu p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/24 07:36 PM
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Due to capitalism, it doesn't work. Because money is power, and if people get rich enough, they can buy government. Getting rid of government doesn't fix the problem. It just skips to the end game of the problem, where the rich are controlling it all... and it doesn't work, because the rich are controlling it all, for their own profit, at the cost of public good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 05:38 PM
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The problem is you are choosing to uniquely identify with the feminine frame and projecting that they are values that EVERYONE should have while rejecting the notion that everyone should also have the masculine frame. It’s more of the double standards from feminism that I thought this group was against, but these themes run deep. If you stop arbitrarily assigning masculine or feminine labels to character traits, the problem vanishes. None of these things are good or bad because they're masculine…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 07:53 AM
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It seems like you fit more with men’s liberation foundationally but your emphasis is on the practical solutions which may have overlap with both groups. Your phrasing is weird here. I disagree with enforcement of gender norms. That's part of my value system, like, tangentially because I believe whole-heartedly that people should be able to live their lives however they want so long as they're not hurting anybody else. So my opposition to enforced gender norms is just an extension of a much broad…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 07:36 AM
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I fall under the caveats. I am against enforced gender norms, but my personal experience is that they aren't this overwhelming pervasive force that they're made out to be. I'm against forced gender norms, but it frustrates me to no end that the "men aren't allowed to express their feelings (because of the patriarchy (created by men))" angle is the ONLY acceptable angle from which it is acceptable to approach the idea that men have any issues in the vast majority of left-leaning spaces, and it se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 09:25 PM
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The one good thing about this thread, is I think your original question has been thoroughly answered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Omelas I think in addition to the observations in my top-level comment, what we're seeing arise in the dialogue throughout this thread is that you are one who would stay in Omelas, while the core nature of this sub is for people who would walk away. You're looking for what you see as practical. You don't think mutual good is possible, so …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 07:34 PM
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Katy Perry groping Justin Bieber, and flaunting the fact that she was doing so to the camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk74gTXdnVc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 10:35 PM
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when exploitation and subjugation are the ultimate goal of politics, or at least the necessary prequisite for ensuring the safety and wellbeing of your preferred group? I think this is it right here. Politics are inevitable. And that may be the nature of politics as they are. But where I'm guessing you and I would seriously diverge is whether or not we believe it can be different. I acknowledge that politics through most of human history have been about subjugation, and that is how it is today. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 07:24 PM
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there are no societal level gender norms or other societal level factors that are influencing populations of females to perpetrate sexual violence in the same way Other than the sheer magnitudes more permissibility society grants them to do these things than it does to men, which is clearly demonstrated in the personal experience of the majority of men and in the social experiments I'm sure most of us have seen showing the differences in stranger's reactions to witnessing women vs men perpetrati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 06:36 PM
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A possible reason for that is, that the femininity of a women is not challenged when they report beeing a victimor a perpetrator of intimate or sexual violence. I think it's because women simply have less reason to fear consequences. We have female celebrities who openly admit to being rapists or commit sexual assault on camera, even against minors. Nobody cares. Even if they ever face charges, the legal system will softball them. Look at the modern trope of female protagonists being total assho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 06:10 PM
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Not going to read the links right now. I might later. But my initial reactions.... "limitations in measurement, primarily by using measures that do not consider relevant differences by gender in the motivations, context, or consequences of abuse. Namely, differences exist in the reporting of violence by gender." In other words, by using measures that do not employ double-standards or subjectivity in assessing the nature or severity of an action. women’s perpetration was overestimated and include…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 05:43 PM
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I think it's that fetishization results in someone dating for that feature of the person instead of the person and/or having unhealthy expectations associated with that feature. A BBC fantasy is not the same as an attraction preference.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/24 09:01 PM
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Both that, and the grifting tradcon Fresh & Fit types muddy the waters by claiming women should be submissive to men and conflating that with respect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/24 07:21 PM
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I think some context would help here. I think most of the responses you are seeing are from people in the developed western world. We have been taught this patriarchy theory perspective for decades. I think a key landmine on this subject is the idea that patriarchy is responsible for male victims being taken less seriously as victims. A large portion of posters on this sub are in fact former feminists, as I am. Many of us believed this once upon a time. But in this part of the world, especially …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/24 10:34 PM
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I think the most important thing is to demand to be treated with respect. Respect doesn't mean being submitted to or prioritized. It just means being treated as an equal human being whose interests and well-being have value. It is so incredibly common these days for women to not have respect for the men in their lives. To insult, insinuate, mock, and belittle. To turn their partners, fathers, brothers, etc into jokes. Don't put up with it for a second. Even if it's mild and delivered in some cut…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/24 07:06 PM
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"Patriarchy, patriarchy, patriarchy, patriarchy, patriarchy." It means that's where she is right now. But she is here engaging, giving us the opportunity to present our perspective. That includes explaining our problems with patriarchy theory. But what half the responses here are doing is verbally punching her in the face and screaming at her to go back to her patriarchy patriarchy patriarchy echo chamber as punishment for ever daring to come here and say the word. Because apparently if we disag…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/24 04:06 PM
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under capitalism, the wealthy regularly end up destitute, and the poor regularly climb the ladder What... just... what.... whaaaaat....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 08:58 PM
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She wrote "I do think that comes from men steamrolling us with whataboutism" The OP does not contain this at all. She came here expressing values that pretty well align with the values of this sub and pro-actively affirming that she sees problems within feminism. What you are quoting is in response to a comment on her OP, wherein she ESSENTIALLY AGREES and only adds what she believes is context to explain what she AGREES IS A PROBLEM. Now there may be a valid discussion to be had as to whether t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 07:58 PM
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I disagree on behalf of male abuse victims. My issue with people who downplay or deny false allegations as a valid men's issue is that it's synonymous with denial that women can abuse men. One of, if not the most universal truth of abusive power dynamics is that abusers lie about their victims. They cannot get away with what they do otherwise. In this case it's not about regret, it's about control. Thus acknowledging that abuse is not a gendered issue must also be paired with acknowledging that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 05:58 PM
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In my book, denial of false allegations being a legitimate men's issue is synonymous with denial of male victims entirely. Because one of the most basic facts of abusive power dynamics is that abusers lie about their victims - they MUST lie about their victims in order to get away with it. So to tell men that they have no valid reason to fear a false allegation is exactly the same as saying that women can't be abusers, because if they truly believed that women can be abusers, then they would sym…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 04:30 PM
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You're being unfair, and creating an eggshell-walking environment. Yes, seeing MRA counterpoints as "whataboutism" is a troublesome behavior we're all frustrated with. But she was only admitting to how she's been conditioned to see things. She didn't come here accusing this whole sub of being whataboutism. Attacking her over this is ridiculous and VERY counter-productive. We're not being the better people here with this behavior.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 03:53 PM
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Just want to enthusiastically third this. OP came here in good faith with a reasonable post saying good things that we should agree with. Should be welcomed and supported. Not taken as an opportunity to take out our frustrations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 03:48 PM
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I agree with all your points. I want true gender equality. The Tate types are gross to me. I considered myself a feminist from my mid-teens to late 30's. I dropped the label after so long, because I'd been in an abusive relationship with a woman for a very long time. In the late 2010's, that relationship was finally ending and I needed support. What I found is that feminist's attitudes towards male abuse victims are disgusting. Even feminists friends who knew my situation would turn on me if I s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 03:37 PM
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There's lots of people like us. I spent my mid-teens to mid-thirties focused on criticizing the right. But in those years, the left was small and unpopular. I was the odd one out everywhere I went for my political opinions. Back when the talk of unhinged SJW stereotype started to appear on the internet, earlier than most people here probably think, I recognized that people who fit that stereotype existed but were extremely rare, and pushed back on it as such. But today, I can't push back on it a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 04:28 PM
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Just going to repost the comment I left on FD's video here, largely agreeing with your take. This is possibly the only thing the left is more lacking self-awareness about than how they alienate men. How the left still perceives themselves to be the underdogs in the culture war, and how that effects their relationship to the distrust of establishment in current day. Ignoring the establishment vs anti-establishment dimension of this election, which was the most important dimension. If she campaign…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 09:44 PM
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This is interesting to point out. It's basically stereotype threat. YES. I could not have dropped an academic term to neatly categorize the idea of what I'm trying to say, but I have known for a long time that the academic left is aware of such dynamics because I have read it described in terms of racism as much as 20 years ago. And most left-leaning types may not be able to drop the specific academic term and its associated studies, but they will still be able to express some awareness of the i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 09:39 PM
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It's nice to not be the first one to come in here and say it. I'm so tired of this narrative. There is truth to it. I'm sure it matches many people's experiences. But the extent to which it's pushed as *THE* male issue, and how universal it is is basically a mythology at this point. And I think it's self-fulfilling. Because I'm 41 now and grew up in a small conservative community. There were hyper-masculine tough guy caricatures in school growing up (who mostly came from severely broken homes wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 08:43 PM
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Society's narrative for women's happiness is that they only need to be free to choose whatever life they want to live. Society's narrative now for men's happiness is they don't know how to be happy unless they're being shoved in a box. It's deeply insulting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 08:47 PM
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No one can tell you how you're wrong because what the fuck are you even saying. You're taking a word and blasting off into space with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 07:08 PM
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To me, left-wing represents cultural freedom, equality of opportunity, and optimizing universal well-being. The ability to live as one pleases, so long as it doesn't involve harming anyone else. This includes religion, sexuality, artistic interests and expression, etc. Nobody being denied opportunities based on how they were born. This means being opposed to discrimination based on religious beliefs, skin color, sex/gender, economic status of one's parents, etc. Nobody should be punished for the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 04:53 PM
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This infuriated me so goddamn much. The hypocrisy was astounding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 03:39 PM
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Back in the late 2000's, my ex was having trouble coping with becoming a parent. She tried to get our first son medicated to make him more manageable (more like easier to neglect without consequence). This eventually led to the local children's hospital setting us up with a talk with some social workers. We talked about our dynamic as a couple and I mentioned how much she yelled at me, their immediate and only response was "Well it's good she's not bottling up her anger."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 03:38 PM
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M can be caught unawares. In a domestic situation, there are many opportunities for F to ambush M, besides just when he's asleep. He is vulnerable to any blunt or sharp object causing him serious harm any time he is distracted or has his back turned. If he's standing at the stove cooking. If he's watching tv. If he's folding laundry. Etc. It doesn't matter if no injury is suffered. The body reacts to aggression, even if the threat is not great. Even if F is just yelling at M. M's body will still…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 03:31 PM
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How many mass shooters/murderers have actually been concretely established to have been acting on motives associated with an incel worldview? As far as I'm aware, it's like... 2? The weakest fucking association blown wildly out of proportion I've ever seen in my life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/24 10:20 PM
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What I'll see from somebody less toxic/more sympathetic usually is shock that they didn't know, acknowledge that they don't agree and it's bad, but insist that it's still not comparable to women's issues which are more serious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/24 03:16 PM
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I've literally been mocked and laughed at by women for bringing this up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 06:24 PM
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It's very unfortunate your family reacts that way. It's incredible to me how people will defend bigotry and hate even when they see it impacting the people closest to them. My family is great. I am incredibly lucky to have them. When I bring up specific examples if toxic behaviors I encounter, or specific events, they'll generally agree with my stance on them. But they just refuse to believe that those are anything more than isolated incidents. They believe the mainstream feminist description of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 04:31 PM
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This is the problem I have with studies and talking points like this. Yes, tradcons see things as you describe. But tradcons are not everybody. They haven't even been the dominant culture for decades. But left-wing talking points about socialization, gender norms, and perceptions, or studies like this one, will just blandly average the data across all society or act like tradcons represent the average person you will encounter on the street no matter where you are. They won't acknowledge that th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 04:00 PM
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Yeah, I actually had a conversation/debate with someone on Reddit a few days ago regarding the male loneliness epidemic, and both the person and other users in the thread were so fixated on the idea that the loneliness must all be men's fault because men "aren't nice enough" and are "lazy friends" apparently. Just the most hateful, oversimplified reasons that would not be tolerated if the topic was about women's loneliness or women's issues. Oh yeah. This drives me insane. Zero imaginative effor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 03:19 PM
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I don't. I pretty much only engage with the subject through this account, which I don't tell anybody about. The only person who knows is my son. We went through the same transformative experience together. He's more stridently MRA than me, and is actually the one who introduced me to this sub. I've had some mild arguments with family about these issues, but never actually outed myself as an "MRA". I try to avoid the subject with them anymore, and we kinda pretend those conversations never happen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 02:39 PM
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Uhh... and perceived by who... because in large swaths of culture, it's very obviously the opposite. There's a huuuuuge contingent of women who openly proclaim "men are incompetent and worthless and the world doesn't need them", and a decent number of men who will even agree with them in exchange for their "present company excluded" headpats. Like The View had a whole conversation where they all agreed on this. That's not exactly a niche subculture audience. These claims are always put out there…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/24 09:24 PM
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A federal investigation into gender discrimination in public schools, focused on differences in discipline, grading, and medication between boys & girls, especially in elementary school. Make it illegal for the names of victims, accusers, or accused in a criminal trial to be disclosed to the public before the conclusion of the trial. This isn't just a male issue but would benefit society as a whole in a variety of ways, imo. But men would especially benefit, as it would do something to mitigate …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/24 03:40 PM
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There are a lot of actual hardcore racists and misogynists out there, and I'm sure that brought many voters out for Trump. But by a lot, I mean in terms of absolute number, not in terms of proportion of the population. I think it's a number in the millions. But there's 336 million people in the USA. Millions is a lot but proportionally, I think those people are very much a minority. I think a majority of people have some *mildly* racist and sexist thoughts and feelings, but not in the sense of b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 01:21 PM
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I and almost every man I know has been abused by women. I've accepted over the last few years that I'm probably going to avoid ever being in another relationship for the rest of my life, because I never want to risk being put through that hell again. Despite feeling that way, I still won't generalize women the same way men are generalized with this analogy. You can argue statistics all you like. What it boils down to is gender essentialism. The purpose of it is to make me feel guilty for existin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:10 PM
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Men aren't actually stoic, we have just as many feelings as you do, so if your man is standing tall and calm in a sea of chaos, he's actually putting in WORK to BE that man, and he's possibly doing it partially FOR you. Tell him you notice, and you appreciate it, that it makes you safe or that you like being around him because of it ect. This is gold. If OP takes one single thing away from this thread, I hope it's this. My ex had zero emotional regulation, severe anger issues, and refused to wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:09 AM
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Equality, in general? I want to be treated equally by the law, institutions, and culture. I want men and women to have equal access to support systems. When men and women engage in the same misbehaviors, I want it to be judged objectively according to evidence without gender being of any consideration. I want everyone to be offered the same default level of respect and value for their life. I want society to place equal expectations on people. I want everyone's differences to be offered equal le…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/24 06:40 PM
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I think it's a situation where appropriate language doesn't exist. Sorry for the messy TLDR, but it's a messy subject... I really don't like the term sexual assault, since the word assault implies intent to harm, and I think that would be even more inappropriate in this case than rape. I don't like its usage in most situations where it is used. If I assault someone, it means that causing harm is the intended purpose of my action, and I don't think that's the case most of the time people use the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/24 05:56 PM
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Let's say I take your argument at face value. Don't challenge it at all. Ok. Prior to the behavior of feminists pointed out by OP, men created the patriarchy and the patriarchy created these stereotypes of men. Men and the patriarchy are originally responsible for the problem. Is that supposed to convince me not to hold feminism accountable for exacerbating the problem today? If stereotyping men and supporting all the downstream consequences of that stereotype is patriarchal behavior, and the fe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/24 07:49 AM
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From the end of the article And the most dangerous aspect of this is how little it’s talked about in mainstream media and how easily it has been overlooked in progressive communities. I see this all the time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/24 11:39 PM
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The usage of statistics to justify a generalized inherency within a group of people is oddly similar to something the right does with black crime statistics. The right looks at the fact that black people commit more crimes than white people, and thus are more violent. Any person with common sense can tell you that crime is not committed in a vacuum, and that social and economic factors largely contribute to need to commit crime. Even more importantly, the idea that black people commit more crime…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/24 05:33 AM
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PC is definitely cheaper, and a better investment. I just built my nephew a new PC from scratch a couple months ago. Cost about $1200. With maybe a GPU upgrade halfway through its lifespan, that thing will last him like 10 years before its age starts to really hurt. And even then, when he builds his next rig, he'll be able to carry parts over and it will be cheaper than the first one. On top of that, it has 10,000 times as many uses as a console (he's already playing around with music software),…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 05:15 PM
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I've only watched 3 minutes, and I swear he's been parodying himself the whole time. One of the first phrases he speaks is "I know I know my shit". It doesn't matter whether you do or not. Leading a conversation by describing yourself that way is like... fucking middle school behavior. And then he moves straight into insulting a group of people, but saying he has "too much" empathy for them. Dear god. It's so bad right from the beginning. I can't watch any further.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 04:51 PM
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I think it's interesting how many posts there are saying that they need loud, aggressive male role models on the left to match the energy of the ones on the right. It really shows how out of touch they are. Like who would describe Jordan Peterson as loud and aggressive. Heck I've seen very little of Andrew Tate, so maybe I've missed it, but I've never even seen him raise his voice. I've watched some of his interview with Piers Morgan, and Tate was not the one who presented himself aggressively i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 05:46 AM
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Not just punishing little boys, but ruining their lives. Their own words as they address it in the context of boys in school. There's no way to spin that as less than vile.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 05:29 AM
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Don't give me too much credit. I made this account just to be able to talk about this stuff anonymously. Only 3 people in the world know who's behind this account. I wish I could say stuff like this directly to people I know. But I consciously avoid gender politics in any other context. Yeah, I've been raped too. My ex and I were still living together, but hadn't been sleeping in the same bed or having sex for years. Most of our interaction had been arguing for several months, and we'd been open…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 05:24 AM
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It is SO common for women to exert control over their male partners in ways that would be overwhelmingly called out as abuse if it were a man doing it to a woman. And I see women openly talking about engaging in that behavior on social media pretty regularly and men in the comments calling it out, and those men will get dogpiled by 10x as many women every time arguing how it's not the same. It's disgusting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/24 09:32 AM
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Yeah, getting straight into penetration without protection with a partner who's not capable of objecting is very clearly crossing a line, and everybody should understand that. Initiating sex with a sleeping partner when you either have a solid relationship where you know that's ok or you've already been getting busy that same night is fine, IMO. But risking pregnancy without consent is taking your partner's life straight into your fucking hands. Especially if it's a woman doing that to a man, be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/24 09:29 AM
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This is not talked about nearly enough, and when it is, it's always presented in the toxic masculinity framework. The idea that men resist seeing themselves as victims because it would be shameful, or because they don't respect women enough to believe they could be hurt by one. Something along those lines. It's never talked about how the hyperbolization of women's victimization over the last few decades has effected men. We're so constantly bombarded with heavily dramatized messaging about women…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/24 07:17 PM
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What is with Democrats constantly repeating that something is never talked about or ignored by the mainstream media, when it is plainly obvious that it's an obsessive focus of their discourse and they direct attention to it at every possible opportunity, both grassroots and mainstream media to the point that anybody who isn't like them gets sick to death of it. It's just astounding how blind they can be to how they make themselves appear either wildly dishonest or delusional. Yet they're so conf…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/24 03:21 PM
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Unfortunately it's not just internet stuff to me. One of my best friends IRL that I met in high school 25 years ago. This guy was at my wedding. He got... REALLY bad. Like he once posted on Facebook that he would support mandatory vasectomies for teen boys, but he's afraid that would result in them committing more rape without the risk of pregnancy. Thankfully he's stepped back a bit from that and told me he realizes he went too far, but it took years where I pretty much stopped talking to him a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 10:33 AM
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Dear god. There's an AskFeminists thread right now just posing an open question on what that community thinks of Richard Reeves. The vitriol is astounding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 05:20 AM
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And when you factor in the math that men created the patriarchy and anytime a woman ever does something bad it's because she's been brainwashed by the patriarchy, you have a rhetorical steel fortress where it's literally impossible for a man to face any problem that's not self-inflicted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/24 08:14 PM
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I've approached it that way in a few discussions and the response I get is sympathetic but still "it's just not the same" I get very frustrated with the hypocrisy regarding what's considered to be about freedom of choice or bodily autonomy. I'll see the argument that "All work is selling your body because you use your body to work so sex work is just work. It's not different from any other work." So when it's about that, work relates to bodily autonomy. But suddenly when it's about reproductive …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 07:51 PM
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'your body my choice' is something that pokes fun at pro-abortion rhetoric, not women per se. it is a pro-lifers punny retort. that isnt an 'attack on women' it is a pro-lifer punny retort. What I'm starting to see pop up today is a mass agreement to interpret this slogan as a rape threat, and consequently hyping each other up to shoot, stab, or whatever along those lines any man who says it to them. I see you getting a lot of shit for it here, but I agree that most of the people saying it are p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 08:52 AM
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Been paying attention to the rise of Reeves for a while. He's a very Menslib-style mentality, but pushes the envelope just a little bit further than them. Every time someone challenges him on the idea that men's issues are comparable to women's or that men's issues include any significant legal discrimination, his demeanor changes and he gets very stern. I don't believe he will ever be amenable to acknowledging our more serious issues that you reference, which makes it a problem that he's becomi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/24 06:03 PM
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Nah, being racist and sexist is not 'better' because of the target. I should have specified, but my meaning wasn't that the right is worse because of their chosen targets. They're worse because of the extent to which they take their bigotry. The left may be supportive of severe legal and economic discrimination against men, and behave incredibly toxic towards us. But the right's intentions are more directly murderous. Mass deportations, legal right to run over protestors, lynchings, chattel slav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/24 10:37 AM
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yep, its important to note too that the righty tighties all bout that identity politics too tho. just run a bit different in which identities they trying to appeal to. I mostly agree, though maybe not as clear cut on this point. There is definitely a conservative opposition to the culture war - the racist, sexist, bigoted side. I spent my entire teens and twenties clashing with them constantly. But there's also a difference in how each side manifests their participation in the culture war. The r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/24 04:17 AM
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Something I've been meaning to add to the election discussion, but haven't seen a good place to do it and didn't want to start a thread. The last 10 years have thoroughly proven to me that politics is just about aesthetics to most people. Which is fucking depressing. But right now it's even a little worse than that. Because faith in institutions is also at an all time low (Thanks Obama). I think the majority of people don't actually believe that anything is going to change based on who they vote…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/24 03:20 AM
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Yup. Only ever been with one woman. Never even kissed another. Babytrapped at 21. Separated at 37. Now 41. Unless I manage to move to a completely different part of the world, I'm avoiding women mostly and relationships completely until men are offered some avenue of self-defense against women. They can assault us in every possible way, and we are the villains if we do anything other than take the hits and quietly walk away after without telling anybody it happened. She's coming at you with a kn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/24 03:54 AM
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I have seen precisely this argued before. I've seen opinion pieces stating that shelters for men are wrong, because even if there are men that need them, there are more women that need them and limited funding, so the men's shelter is taking away from the primary issue. Many of them do treat these things as zero sum.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/24 05:41 PM
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I spent the entire 2000's and early 2010's trying to warn people that this day was coming. The USA has always had fascistic tendencies, but has been setting the stage for takeover by a true fascist movement since the mid-90's when the media started kicking fear culture into overdrive, police started militarizing, and the mass surveillance state began to take form (Echelon). Hyper-authoritarian machinery - wet dream material for any capital F Fascist. Then the Bush admin used 9/11 to wedge bigotr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 10:27 PM
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That is not something exclusive to "the left" at all. That kind of behavior, as even you point out, originated in the right wing in the first place, and in the present day, it's still prevalent in those spaces just as much, if not even more. Well, yeah. Exactly. Problem is I spent most of my life identifying myself as on the left, because it was the side of politics that wasn't like that. I don't want to associate with a culture that behaves that way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:49 PM
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In my experience, acknowledging men's issues through a non-feminist lens would be viewed as synonymous with MAGA Republicanism. In their heads, if Democrats adopted that approach, voting for that would feel the same as voting for Trump in the heads of the mainstream misandry contingent of their voting base.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:07 PM
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If someone is arguing for removing our access to healthcare or discriminating against us using bathrooms, which we have done for decades then that's just prejudice. And hey, I 100% support going nuclear on people who strongly advocate for criminalizing your existence. Don't get me wrong there. Problem is, stuff like "Are the straights OK?" memes for example don't target just those people, with consequences that should be obvious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 07:40 PM
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You should be more empathetic and have better tactics than the feminists. What even the fuck. I go by human nature, which is selfish. Alright. Let me know when that works out for you. But frankly, that's not even what I think you're truly expressing here. What I'm reading out of your post is not asking for a strong argument to do anything. I'm reading that you're resigned, past the point of caring, and just seizing an opportunity to express bitter spite. To spit in other's faces because you're t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 07:30 PM
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I don't like it either, but there's a reason trans women go into those spaces. It is because they are welcoming and generally safe. Trans people have to deal with prejudice against them all the time. Its draining and exhausting and it is hard to find elsewhere. I feel so isolated and alone and the only people who really get it are the LGBT community. This is exactly how I feel about LWMA. So yeah, I get it. Is it too much to ask for a little empathy and compassion here, is that not what this sub…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 07:19 PM
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Take our concerns seriously or don't speak to us. You're othering me here as if I don't also have a Top 10% Commenter badge next to my name, just like you. I'm not swooping in from outside the community to engage in shaming tactics. I'm not a trans person trying to convince you to support me. And I don't know about you personally, but it's a common talking point in MRA spaces to criticize feminism for framing support for men's issues transactionally. We're seeing a shitload of it right now with …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 06:46 PM
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Yeah, and this is something I was trying to express with my comment, too. Out of the dozens of trans people I have spent any time regularly interacting with, there is exactly one that I trust to be reasonable and respectful towards me. She and her ex-girlfriend are the only people besides my family who ever pro-actively expressed discomfort with the way my abusive ex treated me (who I was with for 20 years), which means the world to me, and 15 years later post-transition I don't see her engaging…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 06:38 PM
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I think it's kinda weird and gross to frame it that way. It comes across as cold and transactional, only caring about something if it benefits you, not because it's right. Just think about it as addressing an issue first, and that issue effecting multiple groups. Not about supporting a specific group first, and addressing an issue because it supports that group. We can just want the world to be a better place for people in general, right? But if you insist on thinking about it transactionally, r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 06:14 PM
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Because both originate from the same cultural attitude towards men, as they explained. If you change the cultural attitude towards men, both groups see progress on their issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 05:54 PM
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Drop the culture war. Distance themselves from it every way they can. I don't even think the majority of people who abstain or vote conservative are doing so based on policy platforms anymore. I think they're doing so based on culture war. Culture war has essentially swallowed politics whole. I think in today's world, a progressive policy platform that manages to avoid association with the toxic aspects of progressive culture could win in a landslide. But people aren't going to vote for a party …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 05:45 PM
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I'm ready. I want exactly what you call for. I've seen quite a few people transition at this point. My main internet hangout for a couple years was a discord server populated almost entirely by trans women, almost all that I had known before they transitioned. I've always been vocally fully in support of their freedom. After transition, almost every one of them became ragingly bigoted towards men, including their former selves. Not directed at me personally, of course, as "one of the good ones" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 05:32 PM
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What are you even talking about. On what basis are you saying we aren't "showing out". And when do we get a show out for our bodily autonomy. I'm 41 and it hasn't happened in my life. I've voted and advocated for women's bodily autonomy for decades. Can you honestly say you've done the same for us? Be mindful of the glass house you're standing in as you throw those stones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:52 AM
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That specific ad was not officially endorsed by the Harris campaign. But it doesn't really matter, because there are other ads that evoke the same sentiment. Maybe people engaging with that post were engaging with the issue as a whole and not just that specific ad. Watch the ShoeOnHead video where she reviews them for a good round-up. If you just keep going on about the idea that this is about that one single ad without addressing the multiple people telling you the same thing I'm telling you, y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:44 AM
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And it drives me mad. Like I can understand if a work of art is directly promoting an ideology that someone opposes. Which in that case, it's understandable for a person to both not like it as well as not want to support it. But when an artist is someone that one has disagreements with, but the art has nothing to do with those disagreements, refusing to enjoy what you find enjoyable on that basis is doing nothing but making yourself and everyone around you more miserable. If that artist isn't ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:28 AM
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First, they're conflating history with modern day, which isn't fair. Culture has massively shifted on this subject. Life was very oriented around having children 100+ years ago for practical reasons, and most people started early. There was no double-standard here. I have a great grandfather who left home at 14. Life was different. Being an adult was less about the number. Second, they're playing fast & loose with the left/right divide on this subject, as they always do -- whenever a feminist sa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 04:26 PM
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Yup. This stuff is more about energizing the base than winning men over. It's circle-jerking at our expense. It's not a mistake.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 09:04 PM
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It's because their metric for winning the argument is to conclude that men are bad. Women being in more danger = men are bad, because they're the ones putting men in danger. Oh, actually men are in more danger? Well it's men putting other men in danger, so it still means men are bad. The goal is moral superiority. You're a part of the bad group and she isn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 07:09 PM
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At this point, I don't think it's useful to contest the idea that we live in a patriarchy. I actually disagree with most of the posts on this thread. I'm open to the idea that patriarchy can be a complicated idea. That it can be something that hurts men too. That the gender norms men complain about that benefit women and hurt men from a shallow look at the ground level could be seen as things that also serve the purpose of keeping the highest level of control over society in the hands of men, ev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 05:50 PM
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*sigh*... a different thread to counter your example https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1gi6iiv/do_you_think_some_men_are_disaffected_because/ In your thread, they're talking about what they would prefer in theoretical men in theoretical relationships. In this thread, they're talking about what they perceive as reality. And it's horrifying. Just absolutely horrifying to see what they think of us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/24 10:21 PM
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Just finished watching... just going to repost the comment I left on the video --- I really want to like Reeves. I'm really trying. But I feel very marginalized by him, and very upset that he is arising as this most prominent mainstream acceptable voice speaking for me. I called myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-thirties and said a lot of the things that it's popular to say today before it was popular. And truly believed them. But I found myself in an abusive relationship, partly becaus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 07:49 PM
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