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That's total shit behavior. She makes the plans, then doesn't even show up?
/r/MensRights17/06/13 11:20 PM
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Also, her picture is included in her byline. :) She's definitely not ugly.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 11:14 PM
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I didn't particularly like the article, but handsiness is a huge turnoff. There are alternatives. There's nothing wrong with offering to buy a girl a drink. If you want to show your interest, tell her she's pretty, ask if she's single, make slightly more intense eye contact than you normally would.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 11:11 PM
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Are you saying the Twilight movies are feminist?
/r/MensRights17/06/13 10:59 PM
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I'm going to tweak you. YOU used a hypothetical anecdote (Sally and Bob), not me. I stated a fact, which in other circumstances you would be happy to acknowledge -- in many places, declaring yourself a feminist is not going to endear people to you. You originally complained that feminists essentially have a privilege of popularity, or at least relative to MRAs. I am saying, it's context. It's easy to be a feminist in San Francisco. In the Deep South, not so much. If it's that important to you to…
/r/MensRights17/06/13 08:39 PM
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I'm sorry - where were my hypothetical anecdotes? Also, the original complaint was that feminism is a more popular movement than MRAs. I sincerely hope that you consider yourselves more popular than serial killers, pedophiles, and rapists. Or are you saying that feminists are less popular than pedophiles, and MRAs are even less popular than that?
/r/MensRights17/06/13 07:24 PM
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First, as many MRAs point out, identifying as a feminist does not confer instant popularity. In some circles, it's expected, in some it's reviled. Second, however MRAs are perceived -- of all the things MRAs think feminism has failed to do, I can't see how it's our responsibility to increase the popularity of a movement that defines itself by opposition to us. Surely it falls to the MRA to improve its own branding.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:05 PM
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Here is info on the US. For those of you who don't know, the US military has recently opened up combat positions to women. Some of these links pre-date that, some are after. Obama has enthusiastically supported women in combat. Both he and McCain have voiced support for drafting women. NOW's position since the last time the draft was enacted (1981): against the draft, but if enacted, women should serve as well. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1356&dat=19810302&id=_mdRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=igYEAAAA…
/r/MensRights16/06/13 08:52 PM
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That's a very sweet tribute to both your mother and your father. I am so sorry you did not get to know him. Much love to all of you today. :)
/r/MensRights16/06/13 06:35 PM
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Dude. That's paranoid, vindictive, and against the rules of this sr. Maybe take a couple deep breaths. Opposing views aren't going to kill you.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 07:26 AM
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Surprisingly enough, women want approval from men too. But of course, that's what shame is. If shame were easy, it wouldn't be a force. The more men take that step, the easier it is for the men behind them to do the same.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 06:52 AM
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Unsurprisingly, you have gone out of your way to miss the point. You have started with the presumption that a guiding principle in the US has been that men must be willing to serve to earn their right to vote. This is simply wrong. You quote "Citizens" in bold -- but citizenship did not convey the right to vote. It wasn't until about fifty years ago that the US decided that if you are conscripted, you have the right to vote. That should tell you something right there (leaving aside literacy test…
/r/MensRights11/06/13 06:33 AM
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Do you live in the UK or the US?
/r/MensRights10/06/13 10:29 PM
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Very interesting, thanks! That's a lot to chew on.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 09:19 PM
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Do you really want to down this road? Women wax and pluck the hair off their faces. We shave our armpits and our legs. As I posted before, in the past, women's work dress codes were more restrictive and uncomfortable than men's. That changed -- and it was never a gasp, feminist issue. Companies just got more relaxed. I'm sure men were pretty thrilled to lose the necktie. Personally, I'm a late riser, so I'm very grateful I don't have to shave my face in the morning to look presentable. I'm late …
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:57 PM
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How'd it go? :D
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:34 PM
2

"I staunchly support free speech, when it's speech I like."
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:28 PM
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Here's a riddle: Q: When is a skirt not a skirt? A: When it's on a man. If men want to wear garments that fit around the lower body, and do not have two distinct legs, go for it. Call them Super-Manlies instead. Pants 2.0. It doesn't matter in the slightest. The testicle fairy is not going to visit you that night and leave a dollar under your pillow.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:26 PM
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We have completely different viewpoint on why feminism didn't kill chivalry, so I'm not sure it's productive for us to discuss it. However, with regard to shame: as Eleanor Roosevelt said, no one shames you without your permission. A huge part of the LGBT's success was that people stopped hiding. It requires a lot of courage, and it is sometimes even dangerous. But if you let shame keep you silent, you are complicit in it. You can't wait for someone else to give you permission to be who you are.…
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:09 PM
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I have trouble responding to posts this long, so I will point out the main problems I see: Furthermore, I don't see what any of what you're saying here has to do with the simple fact that after receiving the right to vote, 18-21 y/o men could still be drafted and didn't get the right to vote! This was based on their age. You can argue that it's unfair to send men to war who can't vote, and in fact this was rectified fifty years later. This again points to the fact that people did not connect fig…
/r/MensRights10/06/13 07:53 PM
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For your first example, the boy who is being bullied -- what do you think is the answer?
/r/MensRights10/06/13 12:11 PM
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Camisole?
/r/MensRights10/06/13 11:44 AM
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I'm going to restrict myself to two issues here, because I don't want them to get lost in the mess: conscription and voting rights. The legalities surrounding these two issues have been almost entirely separate. Not 100% -- they crossed paths two or three times -- but for the most part, not. Throughout US history, there have men been who could vote who were not conscripted and vice versa. Conscription has had a long, strange path. The same could be said for voting rights. Women had been agitatin…
/r/MensRights10/06/13 11:15 AM
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Honestly, hating women because of two FB posters doesn't make a lot of sense. It wouldn't make sense to hate men either in this situation if the genders were flipped. If you have trouble trusting women overall, something else is going on that is affecting your judgment.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 10:51 AM
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I'm missing the logical link here. Black people voted for him too. Are they also anti-liberty? Or is that just reserved for those evil fems?
/r/MensRights10/06/13 07:12 AM
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I just love that the title 'Very interesting' has been tagged as Misleading. I guess because it's not at all interesting? :D
/r/MensRights10/06/13 07:05 AM
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Thank you. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I hear the history of suffrage described here.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 04:47 AM
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I'm not quite sure what you were arguing in the beginning, but if you look at the history of voting rights in the US, it is all over the place. To the extent that it was tied to anything, it was tied to property ownership. Women who owned property COULD vote in the early days of the union, but it was later restricted to males only, and not because of conscription. Throw in local and state-level voting, and you have a really messy, lumbering path forward. but you'll never see a feminist ever agre…
/r/MensRights10/06/13 04:38 AM
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Interesting. Here is my take on that (and why I think feminism, by which I mean, progressive feminism, not traditionalism) has had such success in granting women greater flexibility, while having a much more limited effect on men. Women taking on more "masculine" traits may be subject to disapproval because they are breaking expected gender norms. Men taking on more "feminine" traits are breaking two sets of expectations, first expected gender norms, and second, taking on attributes that are lar…
/r/MensRights10/06/13 04:20 AM
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don't understand how the right to vote occurred and why it was given to men first. I do not support the women freaking out on the OP, but this claim on the MRA drives me batty. It completely misrepresents the history of both conscription AND voting rights in the US. I am rather puzzled as to why this myth is so persistent. It seems to resonate on such a deep level that the facts aren't important. I absolutely can see why a males-only draft is a men's rights issue. I support either a gender-blind…
/r/MensRights10/06/13 03:55 AM
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Even very sincere feminists who genuinely care about men's issues have a habit/tendency (there are exceptions to this, but it happens a lot) to reduce discrimination of men to discrimination against women, i.e. argue that gender oppressions which men endure are basically just repackagings of oppression of women (and thus portray misandry as a mere side-effect of misogyny). Can you provide some examples of this? Not looking for proof, anecdotal is fine.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 03:32 AM
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It actually wasn't a protest, it was just some Swedish guys wearing skirts to work instead of trousers. There are article links below.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 03:17 AM
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Yeah, I didn't get this. Care to explain? :)
/r/MensRights10/06/13 01:27 AM
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Oooh, definitely religion. I'm pretty sure most people on both sides are agnostic or atheist. Ready... Set... Outrage!
/r/MensRights10/06/13 01:06 AM
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We need a common enemy to band both sides together. I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe the French...?
/r/MensRights10/06/13 12:36 AM
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Ah, but the statement was, "everyone in Western culture <thinks skirts are women-only>." And here are some Westerners saying, we think they are fine on men. You guys are projecting your own feelings of discomfort onto these guys, who not only don't seem to mind, they agreed to be photographed for news stories. If you don't want to wear skirts, fine. I don't think anyone is saying you have to. But times change, customs change, and lots of people embrace that.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 12:33 AM
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And eye liner can get in your eye and earrings can get ripped out. Just sayin, they aren't practical. Sure. They aren't practical for women either -- but they can enhance your appearance if used well. I'm all for men looking good. What I took from the article referenced below is that these Swedish men saw a way to take advantage of flexible gender roles. Good for them. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 12:17 AM
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Of course it is. Right now, you are stuck in a headspace that sees skirts as emasculating and shameful. This is like long hair on men fifty years ago. Hippies challenged that arbitrary custom. Wear what you want, let others do the same.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 11:28 PM
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I know several straight men who rock sarongs regularly. They are pretty hot, actually. Men can look great wearing eye liner and earrings. Personally, I'd love it if men had more clothing options.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 11:15 PM
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Honestly, it's not a bad look. :)
/r/MensRights09/06/13 10:29 PM
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In the 90s, some conservative companies had dress codes that women could not wear pants. We were also expected to wear pantyhose, which are the work of the devil, not to mention, quite expensive. I'd say 25% of my work clothes budget went to hose. I remember the introduction of Casual Friday, which at first meant women had to buy MORE clothes, because the guidelines were so strict that none of your actual casual clothes qualified and you looked like a wiener if you wore a real suit (khakis and d…
/r/MensRights09/06/13 10:23 PM
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Depends on the skirt. Often the most flattering ones aren't that comfortable. And if you live somewhere windy, you have to be ready for Monroe possibilities.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 09:46 PM
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What is the alternative? She can have an abortion unless the father really, really, really, really, really wants her to stay pregnant?
/r/MensRights08/06/13 07:15 PM
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I read some research on PMS recently. PMS is weird when you think about it, because it would seem to put you at a huge biological disadvantage. Now granted, this research isn't rock solid either, but the theory was... back in the day, women never got PMS, because the second they were fertile, they got knocked up. So you just spent your whole adult life nursing or pregnant. Which, to me, does not sound like tremendous fun. But this would also suggest that signs around ovulation weren't necessary,…
/r/MensRights08/06/13 07:08 PM
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Come on, it's a cute bird.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 06:23 PM
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Research supporting behavioural changes during ovulation is pretty weak. I will cop to PMS though. :)
/r/MensRights08/06/13 06:20 PM
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Which are? Come on. false hypothesis--men are in positions of power therefore they oppress women. You have to know this is a gross oversimplification, and it's unnecessary to bring in an example from a former age of a non-Western society to counter it. It's already way too easy. If it helps, I have the same limited sympathy for most social analysis, including feminist theory. They can be fascinating and intelligently written, but they are not definitive.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 02:56 AM
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I don't want to be rude, because I do think it's an interesting comparison and it's well-thought out. If it's your own idea, it would be a good series of essays, or even a book. Seriously - if you write this up more thoroughly, I would love to read it. But. It's not objective or rigorous. It has all the pitfalls of any social observation. If you think it's superior to a good feminist historical analysis, than you are allowing your feelings to cloud your judgment. Which is understandable -- it's …
/r/MensRights08/06/13 02:19 AM
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I think I asked you this before: are you in academia? Your interpretation is intriguing, but it's rather... esoteric? Theoretical? I'm confused as to how you can consider this to be rational, objective, or scientific, when it's by definition unfalsifiable. Or why this would be inherently more solid than a well-researched radfem analysis.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 01:20 AM
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... Okay. So when you compare men to slaves, you are referring to a class from the Ottoman Empire? Do you think when people hear you refer to men as slaves, that's the comparison they make? Your view is creative, I'll give you that.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 12:31 AM
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victimization is based on objective and rational observation. Social science is always somewhat subjective. That's why it's important to be cautious and conservative in your conclusions. Seinfeld once did a bit on how an alien coming to earth would assume that dogs were our masters, because people walk behind them and pick up their poop. It's a funny take because there's an element of truth. But at the end of the day, you have to decide how much time you want to spend considering that humans are…
/r/MensRights07/06/13 10:02 PM
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You have appropriated radfem's style of historical analysis. You have simply reached a different conclusion. The reason radfem is so damaging is not that it is wrong. It's that it creates and intensifies a sense of victimization that cannot be reasonably countered, and can never be assuaged.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 09:23 PM
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Awareness campaigns almost never tell people things they don't already know. It's about getting something into the forefront of the mind. Again, PEOPLE don't always behave rationally. 401ks are a no-brainer, but a staggering number of workers somehow don't find the few hours necessary to research them over the course of forty years. From what I've read and observed, men are more likely to ignore physical pain, and to treat their bodies less carefully than women. I recently read a blog entry of a…
/r/MensRights07/06/13 08:45 PM
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You're assuming men are just doing something stupid, something that doesn't make sense, they should stop it. That is not my assumption at all. People do irrational things all the time. That's the whole point of anti-smoking campaigns, anti-drunk driving campaigns, HIV prevention campaigns, and so on. Raising awareness among men is not anything close to saying men are just being stupid.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 08:07 PM
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Okay. I can't speak to the quality of discourse going on, and I'm not sure what to make of her claiming your stature was intimidating the class... But if you talk about your teacher's tits, you deserve to be kicked out of class. You must know that.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 07:58 PM
1

? I don't understand that thinking at all. It's not worth even trying to take simple, direct, practical steps to extend men's lives? What kind of advocacy carries zero risk of backfiring?
/r/MensRights07/06/13 07:34 PM
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There is another class of person who has to constantly prove their worth to society. Slavery is far more complex and nuanced than auctions and whips and chains That's a rather romantic take on slavery, and and one that has been out of fashion for quite some time. This is essentially the mirror image of radical feminism's take on women. It proclaims men powerless victims of unseen forces that control every aspect of their lives.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 07:22 PM
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Did she mention your tank top?
/r/MensRights07/06/13 05:35 PM
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Do you honestly think that? Men have freedom of movement, man can change employers, man aren't sold at auction, men can choose who they marry. Was this hyperbole? It robs men of their own agency and tells them that they are helpless victims. How does that help anyone?
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:59 PM
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I'm not an idealist. I'm a pragmatist who sometimes jokes around.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:49 PM
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? No. He said that's not the reason, so I asked what he thought it was. Women generally want to get married more than men do, hence the millions of women awaiting the answer.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:41 PM
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My understanding is that men are trained to be stoical, and ignore signs of pain, and that this mindset holds men back from seeking medical help. So in that way, yes, it's a reflection of patriarchal thinking. In this case, you hold the keys to your own release.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:37 PM
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My point is, if the difference is largely behavioral, then this is a concrete advocacy issue that this sr can tackle. You can do it on an individual level, by taking care of your own health You can tell friends and family You can have a link on the sidebar of this sr You can make an infographic to pass around the Internet You can start petitions, do larger scale advocacy for research into the gap, agitate for public awareness campaigns. On another note, I've noticed that posters here are bothere…
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:29 PM
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OP said it was mandatory in first post.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 06:51 AM
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What is the reason? Millions of women breathlessly await your response.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 06:46 AM
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How can you STILL hate feminism, after I explained it all to you so carefully?? But thank you for giving us the benefit of the doubt on the ovens. It's that generosity of spirit that will one day bring MRA and feminism into ecstatic embrace.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 06:27 AM
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Those kinds of pictures break my heart. :( Literally boys with killing toys.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 06:23 AM
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Apologies if this is corny, but thank you for your service.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 06:20 AM
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I got my period when I was 11. I most definitely was not a woman, unless a boy becomes a man the first time he ejaculates. Some people say you become a wo/man when you lose your virginity. Or more poetically, you "come of age" with a bittersweet experience in which you lose your innocence and learn a lesson. I imagine going to war would make you grow up pretty quickly. Hopefully we'll see a day when nobody comes of age this way at all. We can hope.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 06:19 AM
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Oh, so sorry. They are great little dogs. You must miss them terribly. You know I'm terrible with links. :) Do you have pics of yours?
/r/MensRights07/06/13 05:08 AM
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I've always thought it was really strange that the life span gap doesn't seem to get much attention. What I've read indicates that it is behavioral - middle aged men ignore warning signs longer and don't follow their medical regimes as closely. If this is true, it suggests that increased awareness can add 7 years to the average American man's life expectancy. You may have seen this image before: http://imgur.com/gallery/gXdTZ1z
/r/MensRights07/06/13 05:04 AM
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Very interesting, thanks!
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:52 AM
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AW, you had yorkies? My yorkie is sitting next to me right now! (Almost) four pounds of furry canine fury.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:46 AM
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Ha! I was looking at the discussion on r\feminism, and thinking, "I don't know why this got linked to men's rights, that feminist yellowcushion kept the discussion totally grounded."
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:36 AM
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It was a beaut.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 03:42 AM
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I see. I didn't realize you were so close to the event. Thanks for clarifying. I'd be interested in seeing links to that news if it does happen.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 03:38 AM
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I disagree. People read about things they are interested in. MRAs going over to r\Feminism and arguing with people there are interested in feminism, at least in how it relates to Men's Rights. Unless every post is truly "you all suck", any discussion is an attempt to engage, argumentative or not.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 03:34 AM
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Heh. You also train horses, and take care of dogs. 'Girls are Parakeets' - brightly colored, talkative, and impertinent.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 03:23 AM
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Yeah, not sure why the last two lines were included. Poor showing, salon.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 11:19 PM
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So you are saying that a lot of feminists come to this sr. Which might indicate to someone with a softer stance that a good number of feminists are interested in men's rights.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 11:11 PM
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Okay -- so your title is incorrect. No retractions have been printed, and no settlements have been made. I'm confused as to how you have all this extra information that isn't included in any of the linked articles -- some of your comments below also state facts with no backup. How do you know these things if they haven't been reported? Were you there?
/r/MensRights06/06/13 08:21 PM
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OP can you please cite a source for your statement that "newspapers have even printed retractions and offered substantial settlements?" I don't see that in the linked article.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 07:38 PM
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You are saying that they are not credible because they are women?
/r/MensRights06/06/13 07:31 PM
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Keep us posted on how the summer goes! :)
/r/MensRights06/06/13 06:18 PM
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How did you like it?
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:51 PM
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I think the reason it doesn't work is because female dog = bitch. But really, 'Girls Are Like Siamese Cats'? Fine. 'Girls Are Aliens From Planet Xygon'? Fine. 'Girls Have Cooties'? Fine. 'Girls Are Like Gerbils'? Fine, fine, fine. It's a YA book, about learning how to get along with boys. Actually, 'Girls Are Like Ponies'. Could be completely gender flipped, with a boy learning how to take care of a horse.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:43 PM
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I'm a lady. :) I'm also a feminist who is interested in men's rights, and I can be argumentative.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:04 PM
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With respect, I think you got it twisted.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 06:31 AM
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Not until you start it, it isn't!
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:30 AM
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Correlation != causation. If you are genuinely interested in ED, I'd suggest reading a book on it by a medical practitioner. There are plenty to choose from.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:27 AM
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Great, short training manual for dogs and people. "Don't Shoot The Dog."
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:05 AM
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Apparently not! >;(
/r/MensRights06/06/13 03:23 AM
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Why shouldn't it? It's all operant conditioning. It applies to almost any animal, and of course, both sexes. A woman wrote a hilarious piece for the NYTimes about training her husband like Shamu the killer whale. And before everyone gets all up in arms about it: he started doing it back to her, which she fully appreciated.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 03:20 AM
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Joke, man. Lighten up.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 03:12 AM
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Ah, it looks like I missed the coed piece. Thank you for pointing that out. I don't think this is a big deal. I just thought it might be interesting to discuss the perceptions of tomboys vs. sissies.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 03:08 AM
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It is obviously a joke about dress codes.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 03:00 AM
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There's no context here. Was this a stranger on the bus, or was it at the end of a first date?
/r/MensRights06/06/13 02:54 AM
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I agree this is a minor issue. But since it is here... This appears to be a YA book about a girl adjusting from an all-girls class to all-boys. I wonder if this plot could have been flipped. It sounds like this girl already knew how to act with girls, and then learned how to act with boys. Tough, alpha stare, etc. But a boy going from an all-boy environment to all-girls? How would that play? Wouldn't that basically be teaching him to be a "sissy"? It's interesting that it's always been more acce…
/r/MensRights06/06/13 02:49 AM
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HAHAHAHAHA! ha.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 01:52 AM
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I think something that's missing here is expert witnesses are hired guns. A lot of them are sleazy and will make up all kinds of shit. They either have an agenda to push, or they get good money for it. The JA trial got a lot of publicity because it was a weird, horrible case with an attractive defendant. Most media is about voyeurism, not informing the public.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 11:47 PM
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Well, keep in mind it's a vent, and I think she's talking to specifically to creeps like this guy. She's not saying fuck all men, or at least, it's not clear if she is. :)
/r/MensRights05/06/13 11:25 PM
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What confuses you? Presumably this is not something you'd say to a stranger, especially in a somewhat secluded area, especially if they were considerably smaller than you? Keep in mind that one creepy guy can harrass a lot of women, even if one hundred other guys are politely keeping to themselves.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 11:21 PM
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Then should there be a flag on the title? I didn't know it was parody either.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 06:33 PM
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That's a bot?? She was so nice to me! :'( I guess that makes sense, I saw her gushing over some odd quotes. I thought she didn't understand sarcasm.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 07:30 AM
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why are you so hostile? Dude, I asked you like four times if we could talk on an area we had common ground. You told me it wasn't possible. I'm not pretending anything. I think relations between the sexes are complicated. I find it difficult to generalize. I feel like possibly this is why this has gone on so pointlessly. I embrace complexity. You see it as contorted bs. I know you took this as a swipe at you before, but I'm saying honestly, I think we have different styles. You gave me your femi…
/r/MensRights05/06/13 05:42 AM
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Wow, that post was from a phone?? That's dedication.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 01:18 AM
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Psssst -- their, not thier. :) Good post, though.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 01:10 AM
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;)
/r/MensRights05/06/13 12:00 AM
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As in "the systematic domination of females by males across all cultures and times"? No, I would not say I subscribe to that, nor would I imagine that all "street feminists", as you put it, do either. SF was a 70s radfem. I'm starting to get the impression you are arguing in bad faith. Your curiosity seems to switch from me specifically to feminists generally and back, depending on how best to prove to yourself what you already know. Please do not pretend to me or to yourself that you are open t…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 11:58 PM
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Dworkin is dead.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 10:14 PM
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I'm pretty sure he was banned.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 09:30 PM
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I don't know. I don't interrogate other feminists and write down their replies. I don't even know what you believe patriarchy is. If this is genuinely a question that interests you, why don't you AskReddit?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:09 PM
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I wish you had said that earlier. We could have wrapped this up in three replies. To your quest for "even one" feminist who doesn't ascribe to patriarchy: given the millions of Americans who describe themselves as feminists, the odds of there being zero who entirely reject patriarchy are, well, zero. So there you go. Furthermore, I have seen MRAs right here on this very board discussing patriarchy, and who say they are totally fine with certain flavors of feminism. So your movement is more flexi…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 07:48 PM
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Okay, so Cathy Young is NAFLT? Why did you even read the article if you thought it was from a feminist shill?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:07 PM
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Gah. You wrote that no MRAs believe in patriarchy. No True Scotsman. The irony here is that CATHY YOUNG IS A FEMINIST. Sarah Palin is a feminist. Christina Hoff Sommers is a feminist. Camille Paglia is a feminist. Wait, let me guess. They are unpopular, so they don't count. NAFLT in reverse. They are "good" feminists you guys can trust. But when a feminist comes here with the same fricking ideology as someone on the recommended reading list for MRA, they are a feminist apologist. Sheesh! Again, …
/r/MensRights04/06/13 03:52 PM
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... Because it is a logical fallacy, and I'm not into the generalizations you're making.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 07:31 AM
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Never said I was an MRA. I'm not saying you are simple-minded, but you ARE over-simplifying here, and re-hashing a convo that's had a billion iterations on this sr in the past week alone. How about we discuss the article?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:51 AM
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My rape schedule notes: Friday, 3-6pm: not raped Friday, 6-9pm: not raped Friday, 9-12am: made out with cute guy. Not raped. Saturday, 12-9am: do not appear to have been raped, but can't be sure since I was sleeping. Possibly raped.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:46 AM
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You will not find an MRA who believes in patriarchy, I think, except maybe one of the chimerical Feminist-MRAs. And no one is fooled by them, as far as I can tell. No True Scotsman. I replied to you because I agreed with the quote about feminist ideologues, and thought there might be an interesting spin-off discussion there. You want to generalize and simplify, presumably because it's clearer who is with you or against you. Doesn't that conversation get tiresome? I like to go deep, not wide. ...…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:08 AM
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(Shrug) Not all MRAs are the same. Do you want the movement to be judged by your angriest, craziest members? Saying MRAs are "too smart for that" implies I'm up to something nefarious. I'm not. Look at this whole sub thread. I know I started with 'I disagree', but aren't we agreed on the failure of academic feminism? Why can't that be a starting point for building some mutual understanding?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:40 AM
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Isn't power a thing of value? Yes, but I think it goes to the idea of male disposability. Take the Titanic -- at the time it sailed, women did not have suffrage in the UK. But they got the lifeboats. I think it merges our beliefs on patriarchy, actually.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:14 AM
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The conscription alternative proposition came much later, I think maybe WWII. Remember also that women had been agitating for suffrage since the early 1800s. Many people expected that when slavery was abolished, women would get the vote. We came VERY close. But then it sat dead in the water for another fifty years. That's why I think that Prohibition was the proximate cause. Suffrage was kind of in the same place the ERA is now. It lost momentum, and it's unlikely to regain it unless/until anoth…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 02:15 AM
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I also saw a post where someone described feminism as "traditionalism - male privilege." And then MRA = feminism - female privilege. And I would say, this is a major perceptual difference. I think that feminism challenged both sides of traditionalism, but for various reasons, it was much more successful at changing female roles. As is very important to you wrt patriarchy, not out of malice. But still out of balance. I don't think you realize just how much debate has gone on within the feminist m…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 02:05 AM
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I have read up on it, that's why I can confidently disagree. ;)
/r/MensRights04/06/13 01:50 AM
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Again, not so into the word "privilege" in the way I think you are challenging it. I can say I'm privileged, or lucky, to live in a time where women have control over their reproduction. I'm grateful for it. I guess I'm saying privileged in comparison to what. As for kings versus queens... Well, look at Henry VIII. Wouldn't you say he abused his power? Someone else here defined patriarchy as giving men power, but not value. I think that may be a good way to look at it. You must admit that someti…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 01:47 AM
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See, this is the problem with "alpha male". It gets shifted around to fit whatever is perceived as popular. Does it mean power, money, status, looks, musical skill, gift of the gab? SOMETHING has to attract women to a man, and it's easy to back into your answer if you look at men who are popular with women. The chances that the guy has absolutely no redeeming qualities are low. Then we can point and say, that's the alpha quality. To return to the presidency example, some women were attracted to …
/r/MensRights04/06/13 01:25 AM
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Check out BUST magazine. Explicitly feminist, super un-PC erotic writing.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 12:53 AM
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Unless you can read minds, this is just a pointless generalization.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 12:15 AM
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What is the extension needed if not to repair a previous restriction? If an amendment came out, saying "you cannot prevent people who dodged the draft from voting", would that not, too, be an extension covering a previous restriction? It is semantics at this point Here is why I think the extension versus restriction is important. The reason these young men could not vote before was the age restriction. We still have age restrictions, because as a society we believe you must have a certain level …
/r/MensRights03/06/13 11:18 PM
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Presumably the 'faggots' are dating men.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 11:02 PM
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It was also used in Step Brothers, and it was funny, but I agree, it's just a shaming label.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 11:00 PM
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That's a whole lot of subtext to draw out of the article. Maybe she's just single. Or maybe she's horrible to her boyfriends and will die alone. Lots of possibilities!
/r/MensRights03/06/13 10:57 PM
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How about "victim feminism", or "gender feminism"? I think those two terms encompass what you're talking about.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 10:54 PM
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I would disagree. Let me provide an easy example. Many people I know would describe the President of the United States as the most powerful man in the world. Would this not be the ultimate alpha? It would seem reasonable to me then, that every four or eight years, every women on earth would start fantasizing wildly about the current President. Some women are into power, of course. But I can guarantee you that many women found GWB absolutely repellent. I have never had a sex fantasy about any Pre…
/r/MensRights03/06/13 10:19 PM
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It is somewhat evasive, I guess. I've had some reeeeeeeeeaally long discussions in this sr about patriarchy and feminism. My answer is honestly this: the book 'Thinking Fast And Slow', which is about brain function, not politics. As humans, we cannot function without heuristics and narratives. By definition, we have to simplify. The problem comes when we are talking about things that are far beyond our current ability to understand. We must create a narrative, but on something like culture, any …
/r/MensRights03/06/13 09:43 PM
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Thank you! Back atcha. :)
/r/MensRights03/06/13 09:26 PM
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Consider this when you consider the feminisms stance on modern women and their place in the world, historically and today; did men have more privilege always, or did they 'get' more privilege when these places became safer and easier? Again, I guess I would say it's both, or could be both. It's an interesting question why the feminist movement started when it did. I think technology was a big driver.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 09:24 PM
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I did read it, and largely agree with it. :) I am not sure there is a perfect analogy. When arguing about these things, there rarely is. If I can think of a better one, I'll bring it up. What about my question if you could be convicted of a felony and be subjected to all the current penalties if you dodged the draft, BUT if that was the only felony on your record, you could vote? Would that change things? What I take issue with is that there was ever a philosophy in the US that linked military s…
/r/MensRights03/06/13 09:17 PM
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ARGH, just lost my links. In brief: Carter administration in favor of gender-blind draft when introduced in 1981. SCOTUS struck down, but 3 dissenting Justices were the progressives, including author of Roe v. Wade. NOW issued a statement that to be fair, the draft must be gender-blind. American Civil Liberties Union's Women's Rights Project supported plaintiff in 81 case. I will provide actual links later.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 09:05 PM
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I would say mostly I'm a pragmatist. I've posted elsewhere that I don't think we understand how culture develops, and while it's very difficult for us to do this, we should remain humble in the face of our ignorance.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 08:35 PM
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I think what your link proves is that conscription has had a long, strange path through US history, as has suffrage. They may have at times intersected briefly, but mostly not. This is a subtle point, but giving voting rights to those fighting but technically too young says, it is not fair for someone fighting to not have the right to vote. It is an extension of voting rights. Saying that men must fight for this right indicates a restriction. It also points to the fact that conscription has had …
/r/MensRights03/06/13 08:13 PM
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It will fail due to SCOTUS precedent Are you aware that SCOTUS ruled on this in 1981? A suit was brought that a men-only draft violated the Constitution's equal protection clause. The Court held that since women were not allowed in combat positions, women could not be compelled to hold them. Now that women can serve in combat, the basis for this decision is invalid. Every legal analysis I've read says the current ruling is going down. Incidentally, feminists argued for a gender-blind draft when …
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:42 PM
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As a feminist, I would disagree. Academic feminism is useless and polarizing. I'd be happy to see it go away. It's in its own weird little world.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:33 PM
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Heh. How much is "some"? :)
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:24 PM
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SOME women like alphas. Female tastes vary.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:14 PM
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It stems from the punishment of dodging the draft (felony status). I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but given what state you live in, you CAN still vote after being convicted of draft dodging. I'm not sure if it's because it's not a felony in all states, or if some states allow felons to vote. But I know in California, you can still vote even after a draft dodging conviction. That means that yes, you MAY lose your right to vote, but that would as a result of being a convicted felon. This is tr…
/r/MensRights03/06/13 06:34 PM
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Yeah, not totally sure how to word it. What I meant was that I don't see the connection between voting and the draft as a narrative in US history. I see voting rights as kind of a messy time line. Female property holders could vote early in the union, then this right was specifically given to white men, then black men as well, and then women. But as we have both pointed out, there were contradictions and absurdities. Women had the right to vote in Utah fifty years before the 19th amendment. And …
/r/MensRights02/06/13 08:02 AM
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Further, it wasn't until 1960 that a large portion of men who were fulfilling their obligation were actually granted the earned right (previously, you could be drafted to serve in the military, but considered too young to vote. Naturally, quite a few boys and men died earning their vote long before casting their vote.) Doesn't this actually argue against your contention? Or at least get it backwards? That means that until 1960, the US did not strictly tie voting rights to draft eligibility for m…
/r/MensRights02/06/13 05:52 AM
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Clam bake?
/r/MensRights02/06/13 05:14 AM
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TIL that I'm a "fun fem." Third Wave, egalitarian, sex-positive.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 05:12 AM
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Does Godwin's law does not apply on this sr? I actually saw it invoked upthread pre-Nazi rant, like it's a permission slip.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 05:01 AM
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Can you please list the sources you are using for the claim that conscription was a major point of debate on women's suffrage in the US? Every mainstream history I've read contends that it was primarily driven by the hope/fear that women would vote in favor of the Prohibition. Even the anti-suffrage material I've seen might mention it in passing, but usually not at all. It also doesn't seem to address the fact that women had suffrage in many states well before the 19th amendment.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 03:27 AM
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The 'just a bunch of whiners' line will NEVER go away You are right. Just like feminism has been called whiny (and certainly a lot of it is). Any movement calling for change sounds whiny, because it's saying the status quo is wrong. However your message is always more powerful when it sounds reasonable.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 02:37 AM
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Sooooo.... of the two genders, which are shunned for expressing their feelings? :p Yes, exactly. I agree. That's why I'm here! How exactly do you think feminism changed dating? Because my feeling is that it hasn't changed all that much. The man pursues women he finds attractive; men do the courting; at some point the tables flip, and the woman tries to convince the man to marry her. Love has ALWAYS been hard. Nice guys and bad boys did not come into being fifty years ago. There have always been …
/r/MensRights02/06/13 02:14 AM
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She sounds really messed up. Sorry, man. Are you still friends with Justin?
/r/MensRights02/06/13 12:23 AM
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I edited my post a lot, so not totally sure what version you are responding to. I see both sides. I do. Dude, I just had a guy de-friend me a couple months ago. From my perspective, he never put all his cards on the table, and then suddenly he was furious with me, stormed out of a restaurant, and I pretty much never saw him again. But I have to respect that this guy I really cared about doesn't want to talk to me anymore, for whatever reason. That's his prerogative. And I can't get bitter about …
/r/MensRights01/06/13 11:58 PM
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Sorry, I have an "expansive lexicon." It annoys a lot of people. :) I'm not asking for pity on my friend zone. I really just wanted to add the perspective, and point out why women can get resentful and say, just because you are nice does not entitle you to sex. Again, it always hurts when you want more from a relationship than the other person does. But regardless, you have to respect it, and not get bitter. Friends, lovers, spouses, it would be great if we always wanted the same thing, wouldn't…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 11:21 PM
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Not all women are that shallow. Hang in there.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 10:32 PM
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Okay, that is messed up. :(
/r/MensRights01/06/13 09:01 PM
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Yes, but he's referring to a 70s speech. In any case: I was just reading a transgendered feminist woman's blog, and she gave an interesting perspective. She said that there has been a rise in hateful radfem Internet speech (mostly anonymous) that seems to be in a time warp from some 70s radfem. I wasn't really aware of this Internet radfem phenomenon, and yeah, it's sick. Some really fucked up stuff. At the same time, she identifies as a feminist, and says she feels tremendous support from mains…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:46 PM
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That's what I mean -- isn't this almost forty years old?
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:31 PM
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I think I understand what you are saying. In some of your comments though, you make it sound as if the only thing women have to offer men is sex, and so a woman who presumes she's providing any value beyond that relationship-wise is automatically a user. Which is pretty hateful to both sexes. EDIT: Since you've decided to add some flair on whether I'm a doormat or a taker -- you know that it's possible to have mutual relationships, right? Where people care about each other, share interests, talk…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:29 PM
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I'm sorry, I don't have it in me to write super-long replies to every point today, so I'm trying to address your top points. First, ha ha, I wasn't talking about male sex toys. :) I meant that given the pressures and expectations men face, some men may feel that sex is the only where he can let his guard down, and so it looms even larger in his mind. Generally, a stripper's best customer is the guy who sits and talks to her all night. He's lonely, so he spends thousands of $$ having a "sexual" e…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:03 PM
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Okay, I will give you this on two conditions: you need to use common sense. you can't complain about other people doing it. For instance, boys on Ritalin, or the fact that a gender gap has appeared in colleges. These are totally fair to bring up comparisons. Complaining that male porn stars are underpaid -- maybe not as pressing an issue.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:40 PM
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... This is based on a talk a guy gave about feminists in 1976?
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:31 PM
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Try substituting the word "rapper" with something else. And talk about how there are so many of them.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:27 PM
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I think you are using the slippery slope argument. Saying that generally, men are more interested in casual sex is a very mild statement. It can be true without buying into massive stereotypes, or actually excusing crimes. I understand your sensitivity that I am saying something negative about you, or men generally, or boxing you into a role you don't want, but I'm really not. If you don't fit the stereotype, don't sweat it. I'm not going to insist that you do. Part of the dance between the sexe…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:19 PM
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Say something similar about black people, or men, or MRAs, or Muslims, and explain how it's not hateful.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 06:55 PM
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I'm a feminist, actually. But you are right, I was snotty at your expense. I apologize.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 06:34 PM
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Once more -- you said you wanted me to die. Despite your best efforts, you haven't topped that yet. Productive discussion unlikely.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 06:28 PM
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You guys are dark. DARK. You live in a world without sunshine. I can't even list the times I have been offered a three way, usually half jokingly. And no, I've never taken anyone up on the offer, because I thought it might ruin the friendship. Off the top of my head -- I once introduced two gay men who fell in love, and helped them get over a rough patch. They offered a three way as a thank you. A gay man may simply be curious, or open to a lot of different experiences. He may actually have some…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 06:19 PM
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Actually, I agree with this too. In its own way, SF is pretty rigid about what politics are acceptable.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 06:05 PM
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Absolutely. Of feminists AND LBGT and a whole bunch of other people. I'm just saying, feminists and LGBT generally consider themselves allies. A transgendered individual may not have as easy a time in Mississippi. But a feminist isn't either.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 06:04 PM
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I honestly think it is common sense. Otherwise, the friend zone concept would be genderless. Women would be complaining in equal numbers about their platonic male friends who won't have sex with them. If you REALLY need it, I can go find some studies. Some guy just did an informal one on Craig's List -- he posted a NSA sex request as a woman for woman, woman for man, man for man, and man for woman in several cities. The "woman seeking man for sex" ad received hundreds of responses every time. Th…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 05:58 PM
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That's a very cold way to describe "friendship." Is companionship so useless to men that a non-sexual relationship means he is "used"? Brrrrrrrrrr!
/r/MensRights01/06/13 05:47 PM
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I don't disbelieve you, but source would be nice.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:33 AM
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It is indeed sad to throw a pity party if no one comes. Don't worry, feeling sorry for yourself is the best way to make things happen. Well, it might be the other way around, but even so -- if nothing comes for your lack of effort, you still have sweet, delicious pity. Even if you did have to bake it yourself.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:31 AM
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Correction to your correction: feminists whole-heartedly support LGBT, and staunchly are in favor of gay marriage. If you like to post some sources on feminists criticizing gays for missing the party line, I would be interested in reading it. The only real issue for female feminists is that they can't stop hoping their great gay friends will magically turn straight. Dare to dream... Generous gay friends still offer three ways and such, so all hope is not lost.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:21 AM
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So LMM, how has your coming out party been so far?
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:15 AM
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I gotcha. You are having a tantrum. MensRants. Go crazy.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:06 AM
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What's stopping you from setting it up?
/r/MensRights01/06/13 07:01 AM
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Do you have a source? I hear that repeated here a lot, and I suspect it's because it makes feminists sound bad. Again, I know transgender women (I live in SF, we get a lot of permutations). I've seen nothing but love and support.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 06:47 AM
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Can't you set up your own sr? Private, if need be?
/r/MensRights01/06/13 06:38 AM
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I'm sorry, that IS dumb. Feminists overwhelmingly support the LGBT community and vice versa. Where do you live that your gay friends don't have hags? It is true that some gay men have no use for women, just as some lesbians eschew men. I know gay men who are against gay marriage, so it truly takes all kinds. How does this article make your case?
/r/MensRights01/06/13 05:18 AM
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Keep in mind, there is a huge grey area here. If you really like someone, you may read signals that aren't there simply out of hope. There may simply be misinterpretation. The woman may just be flirty, just like some men are. She may actually be sending mixed signals because she is somewhat interested, but not fully certain. Also, while there are some very BAD ways to reject someone, there aren't any good ways. Most women are not going to pro-actively tell you they aren't interested, because how…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 04:51 AM
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I'm not sure if you are referring simply to objectification, or actually using someone else purely for sex. I'm referring to the latter. Obviously it's a generalization, but particularly when you are young, men are more interested in casual sex than women.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 04:30 AM
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X - there is nothing wrong with it. Here is where I think where you are confused. relationships have ALWAYS been hard. This didn't happen after Betty Friedan. You sound like you have been hurt. If it is any consolation, everyone gets hurt. If you keep trying, you WILL find someone. you may need to change your approach. I am not a fan of PUA, but it may help if you act with more confidence (both sexes find confidence attractive) and if you express your romantic interest earlier on. Keep in mind t…
/r/MensRights01/06/13 02:26 AM
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Scrappy means you are tough, ready to stand up for yourself. You want a scrappy guy to have your back in a fight. suddenly it's not good to compare who has it worse. Don't you think that's a tad hypocritical? This is another example of a non-ending back-and-forth here. Feminists use shitty, underhanded tactics, and we hate them for it, AND that justifies using them. You guys are a newer movement. Take that opportunity to define yourselves more effectively. If you really think victim politics is …
/r/MensRights31/05/13 11:59 PM
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You're obviously a scrappy guy who loves a good debate, and I appreciate that. I must admit I am pretty argumentative myself. My post was not directly critical of you. I was kind sounding off on how exhausting this sr is. I constantly see links to blatantly biased "news" sources, people angry about something one feminist did one hundred years ago, and then defending it with, "feminists complain about blah blah and I will use those low standards even while I rage against them blah", siege mentali…
/r/MensRights31/05/13 08:29 PM
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Seriously? I tell you what. Ask 10 feminists anywhere in any context and I'm certain that you'll get "yes" 10 times - some with "of course". I'm a feminist, so that immediately moves you down to 9. Leaving that aside. you must admit it's rather sinister I think this reflects why I can't get behind this sr. The world you describe is unrecognizable to me. I see the world as filled with lots of dumb, possibly misguided, but generally well meaning people. No one is pulling the strings, because nobod…
/r/MensRights31/05/13 07:26 PM
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I don't think I've ever heard someone say that men are better represented politically, though I'm sure it's been said. I think you would need to give me some examples what it means for men to be better represented. Prostate exam funding?
/r/MensRights31/05/13 05:47 PM
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Wow, what a fun game. Especially since it appears that there's no upside for me. Fine. I'll bite. When you say, that men are politically better represented than women, can you be more specific? There are more men in political office, obviously. Are you thinking about representation on certain issues?
/r/MensRights31/05/13 04:53 PM
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Sorry, not getting you. Sounds like at some point you plan to spring a trap that we have more than half the vote? Not really clear on how to enter the trap. Please advise.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 06:18 AM
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I think we're starting to cover the same ground here. In my younger years, I belonged to feminist boards, and discussed many things, including what it means to be a feminist. And again, I know this drives MRAs to distraction, but the two women I respected most said if someone called themselves a feminist, then they were. I don't live in a bubble. I know actual live feminists, and we are not constantly checking in with each other to make sure that we still qualify. May I ask if you are in academi…
/r/MensRights31/05/13 04:50 AM
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Do you think there's a way to address that productively, or is that just one of those mildly unfortunate things?
/r/MensRights31/05/13 04:42 AM
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What are your thoughts on how to address cultural expectations, particularly if they are insidious?
/r/MensRights31/05/13 04:35 AM
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Again, here I am getting "thrown out." I live in SF. There are more feminists within a one block radius of me than I can shake a stick at. Do you understand the irony of you defining whether I'm feminist or not? Do I get to decide if you are truly MRA? It seems only fair. In fact, I'd like to write the definition of MRA as well, and then set up a committee to choose who belongs. We'll make badges.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 04:27 AM
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But that's the thing, and I know this frustrates MRA deeply, but... I don't need someone else to validate my label for me. I yam what I yam. I consider my views pretty mainstream, but if they are unpopular in some areas, or LOTS of areas, so be it.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 03:37 AM
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Well, if my feminism is that milquetoast, then it shouldn't be a particularly threatening ideology. What if I represented a large number of feminists? We'd be irritating, but also potential allies of men's rights since we don't have any beliefs of our own. If you need really need a label - I suppose I would consider myself an equality feminist. I have actually had some lengthy discussions with people here that have been very productive, public and private. And of course, I don't comment on every…
/r/MensRights31/05/13 03:28 AM
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What was your original link on male disposability?
/r/MensRights31/05/13 03:17 AM
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Okay, I see your point. I haven't really read a lot on the Steubenville rapes, but I think you do bring up a good point that everyone who can do so safely should act to prevent a crime, call the cops, etc. I actually think this would be a good blog post or article - what about a female bystander's responsibility? I don't think this mom meant that her boys should run up to rapists with guns and throw themselves in harm's way. I believe her intention was to say "be brave, even if it makes you unpo…
/r/MensRights31/05/13 01:29 AM
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I'm not sure what you are saying? Are you saying that you do believe that there are different schools of feminism? And that non-aligned feminists need to speak out against the more radical elements?
/r/MensRights31/05/13 01:19 AM
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I get the impression that a lot of people in this sr are in college?
/r/MensRights31/05/13 01:15 AM
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I'm not sure I can answer this. You say feminism is a threatening monolith. I tell you it's not a monolith, I'm part of it, and I don't feel threatened. You tell me I should feel threatened. How would I ever falsify your contention?
/r/MensRights31/05/13 01:07 AM
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Sure, if you'll buy my plane ticket. :) I've never been.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 01:00 AM
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You are right. I'm not that interested in feminism. I've been a feminist all my life, I know what I believe on women's rights, and I don't particularly feel the urge to go into that area any deeper. I've only been on reddit... A week? I came here because I read a bunch of books on male psychology and I was interested in discussing the ideas. It was quite a surprise to me to find the one unifying theme for MRA was feminist hatred. It frustrates me that I came here with sympathy and interest in is…
/r/MensRights31/05/13 12:54 AM
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Sorry, not quite sure what you are disagreeing with. The link does not say, "Rosin likes The Onion, and therefore wasn't outraged." It simply says that she thought the outrage was misplaced. Maybe she thought the article was in terrible taste. Or not. I am a feminist and I find lots of horrible things funny. I don't take myself or my beliefs so seriously that I can't appreciate a joke at their expense.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 12:37 AM
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Okay, let's say I go to a women's study group, and the professor and the entire class tell me that I'm not a feminist. Guess what? They don't have any authority over me. I honestly find it somewhat pointless to discuss concepts like "patriarchy". I don't have much interest in discussing it with other feminists either. I guess my short answer is that I don't believe that we understand how culture is formed, so saying it was done FOR one group, BY one group, is a personal opinion, and would never …
/r/MensRights30/05/13 10:00 PM
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The EIC of salon.com. I'm sure you hate plenty of stuff on salon.com, but Camille Paglia had a column there for quite a while, and they have tons of articles with all different flavors of attitudes towards male/female relations.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:39 PM
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You have really never seen anything on this sr that is childish, bigoted, misogynist, or simply dripping with self-pity? SOME of the stuff here is really good. I read it and get a different perspective. There is also a lot of garbage, which is a big turn off, as is the insistence that if posters don't demonstrate some level of political purity, then they don't really share any of your concerns.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:31 PM
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Here, you appear to be speaking for the entire MRA. Are you so confident that you speak for everyone?
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:16 PM
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I am a feminist. I don't subscribe to patriarchal theory as you describe it. I have not been excommunicated -- this would be quite difficult, given the lack of a Church.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:10 PM
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Oh. Well, if they are WORSE, then by all means, you have every right to behave as childishly as you wish, and expect to be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:06 PM
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This just reeks of an attempt to silence. "Don't say this, be nicer about this, maybe don't use these words. Don't talk about feminists so much." If you want to be paranoid and appropriate the mood of victim feminism, yeah, you are totally right. And your view is self-reinforcing. If people get turned off by your message, it must be their problem, not yours. If you want to see men victimized everywhere, no matter how trivial or bizarre the situation, you certainly can. Plenty of people have blaz…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 08:55 PM
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How kind of you to acknowledge that some of us may be unintentionally obtuse. I'm blushing. I am.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 08:47 PM
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It's a quid-pro-quo. MRA and Third Wave Feminists are at opposite sides, because one side isn't about equality, but instead about expanding privilege at the expense of the rights and freedom life and liberty of the other. Dude, the OP is pointing out how it is totally NOT a quid-pro-quo, and how completely pointless it is to think that way. There are a number of feminists who come here TO LEARN ABOUT MEN'S ISSUES, and are told to fuck off because a couple dozen feminists did something nutty in a…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 08:37 PM
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I wish there were more articles telling the girls at the steubenville parties that they should have at least called the police. This is a good point. But she is discussing her sons. Why wouldn't that be a good topic for an article? She's talking about raising her sons to be kind and moral. As a mother, don't you think she's going to want good lives for her sons? That she knows her little boys feel pain? This is ONE article for her sons, not a comprehensive manual on how to be a man.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 08:19 PM
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I'm honestly confused by this. You want men and women to be treated equally, even though you believe they are fundamentally different? To me, this article says that even when we are for change, it can be difficult to actually change. For everyone involved.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 08:07 PM
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This seems like a misleading title. The article is about weird European TV. The shows described sound like they depend on controversy. There's no such thing as bad publicity, etc.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 07:49 PM
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To be fair, the article also says, "feminist author and Slate.com editor Hanna Rosin, thought the outrage was misplaced". Some feminists appreciate dark humor. The Onion recently had a horrible/hilarious info graphic on how to avoid accidentally murdering your girlfriend. I read the original piece in The Onion and laughed. I have to believe there are thousands of things on FB right now that are way more worth having a hizzy over.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 07:25 PM
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As a feminist, I officially declare your link funny. :)
/r/MensRights30/05/13 07:15 PM
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Anti-Ds are not about numbing. They are about lifting you out of a hole enough that you can work on fixing the underlying issues, assuming that the depression is not purely chemical. I don't know what things you've tried. I'm just urging you to keep an open mind if your doctor suggests a new regimen. When people are reluctant to take anti-Ds, they often wait until the situation is dire, and then they are in so deep that they may not have the patience to try different combinations until they find…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 12:39 AM
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Think of anti-depressants being a crutch. Seriously. If your leg is broken, you use something to help to you function and keep you from further damaging it while it heals. There's no pride in refusing help when it's needed.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 11:34 PM
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There have also been countless women who have begged their men to stay home. Just saying, PEOPLE in general are against dying, or seeing their loved ones die.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 08:57 PM
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If you are interested in learning more about how people form beliefs, I would recommend "Thinking Fast and Slow", by Kahneman. It's not a political book at all. Mainly it talks about how unequipped our brains are to assess something really complex (like culture), and how we are also wired to consistently miss that fact. We build narratives based on an impossibly limited data set, and we generally only absorb information that reinforces what we believe. And the more we hear it, the less we questi…
/r/MensRights29/05/13 08:13 PM
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<3 please keep trying.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 06:32 AM
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Well, I'm going to be annoying and say that I consider feminist academia a whole 'nother animal, that I don't consider to have much to say to mainstream feminism. Go too far up the ivory tower, and somehow you wind up in your own ass. In terms of feminists and media bouncing this off of each other, I can see a well-meaning feminist reading that the wage gap is still huge (I remember being very surprised when I heard it a few years ago). She is not rigorous, doesn't question the #s, bounces that …
/r/MensRights29/05/13 06:28 AM
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I can't know your path, but I have hope you can find yourself in a much better place. I haven't heard much about EMDR recently, but it was all the rage in the 90s. It seemed to have excellent results. Hang in there!
/r/MensRights29/05/13 06:11 AM
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You said you have PTSD. Have you tried EMDR?
/r/MensRights28/05/13 10:03 PM
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Ha! Okay, here is my take on the wage gap -- I think this is a media myth, not a feminist one. You can credibly argue that they are intimately intertwined, or perhaps you feel it's a distinction without a difference. But I see media myths spin off all the time, about all types of issues. Most journalists are not particularly rigorous thinkers, nor are their readers. I don't think they are sinister -- they are just wrong. And you have to trust that in a free society, ultimately the truth will pre…
/r/MensRights28/05/13 09:19 PM
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I can understand being against certain effects of a movement, or possibly recognizing that most unjust situations come from a variety of forces, and not focusing exclusively on one. Other than Ron Paul, who in the Republican party is really against large military spending? As a Republican, it's completely fair to brand us as being for a large/powerful military. What I meant more was that there is a natural tension between small government, tax cuts, and defense spending. This tension doesn't tra…
/r/MensRights28/05/13 07:06 PM
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What really jumps out at me that you say you don't feel your life is worth living. :( If you really feel this way, please get some help. You sound very depressed, and that can be addressed.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 06:23 PM
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This post is for everyone except CH -- I don't have a brigade. My posts are in good faith. You don't have to like them, or me, but they are sincere.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 06:05 PM
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I don't have a brigade. I am one person.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 06:01 PM
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Again -- I don't have a brigade. I'm one person.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 05:56 PM
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I feel I need to respond to this -- I have no brigade. I am one person, new to reddit.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 05:55 PM
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But this is kind of my point -- all social movements will carry stigmas is some quarters, and being against the same movement will stigmatize you in others. Lots of people say, "I'm not a feminist, I just support equality for women." I might think to myself, you missed the point, but I'm not going to insist they take the label -- I care that you think about equality for women. Similarly, I have met some truly misogynist feminists. So to me, if someone says they are a feminist, I think it's nice,…
/r/MensRights28/05/13 05:52 PM
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Again -- you non-ironically wished death on all feminists, including me. I'm going to assume your perception of me can't get any lower. So don't worry, you can assume anything I say is not in any way shaped to change your particular mind.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 05:34 PM
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Currently, the military is running programs to desensitize male soldiers to female soldiers in distress. Ie, if both are captured, and the captors threaten to rape the female if the male doesn't talk. Make of that what you will.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 08:11 AM
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That being said, a question of semantics like this has no serious bearing on substantive positions or actions; usually one only engages in that kind of pedantry if one is trying to be cute or just plain annoying. Are you being snotty? The reason I bring the semantics up is that this sr is constantly accusing feminists of doing this or that, or saying one thing but doing the other. To me, this is pretty much like saying "everyone who calls themselves a Republican is either evil or delusional." "R…
/r/MensRights28/05/13 07:26 AM
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Speaking as a feminist, I'm not sure why people here get so worked up about the loose definition. Suppose I tell you I'm a Republican. Do you know how I voted in the last election? No. Do I support small government? Maybe. Do I claim to be small government, but believe in tax cuts and increased spending? Am I conservative on social issues? Am I racist? Do I hate you and everything you stand for? Similarly: I am Jewish. Is that my heritage? Do I take the Old Testament literally? Do I work on Satu…
/r/MensRights28/05/13 06:43 AM
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I'm not sure where your title came from, but very moving, powerful images.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 06:03 AM
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Right. If feminists are active, they want to sell more rapes. It's ALMOST as if being involved in rape prevention in any way implicates you as pro-rape. But being uninvolved reveals you to be a hypocrite. What to do? I'm going to bed. You could just take a step back and review what asinine statements you now need to defend, particularly the crushing reality that one feminist action cannot be taken as an indictment on the whole movement. But on the other hand, logic is so much more fun when it's …
/r/MensRights27/05/13 09:11 AM
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Great. Find me a post as stupid as the one above about rape culture and patriarchy, and we can deconstruct it. In the meantime, we have this perfectly good example of rapeFEMINISTEVILmoneyCONSPIRACY that needs defending. Have fun.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 08:56 AM
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By all means, generate some credibility. Build one shred of an argument with evidence on the claims you've made. Fair warning: since the claims are vague and ridiculous, there is no way to make a credible case. But certainly you shouldn't let a feminist stop you from trying.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 08:26 AM
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Rape crisis hotlines. Self-defense classes. Counseling services, single and group. Victim advocacy. Female officers speaking to high school and college women about how to protect themselves. Who is running those programs, the MRA? I actually know women who work with rape survivors. They are feminists, and if you said something like this to them in person, they would break your face. Of course they care about male survivors. People who put their lives into helping others deal with trauma are, you…
/r/MensRights27/05/13 08:21 AM
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I don't understand how you can post this when I stated the opposite facts two posts beneath you. NOW supported drafting women. The most feminist Justices on SCOTUS supported the gender-blind draft. The Carter administration supported the gender-blind draft. All the female soldiers who lobbied for women to be allowed in combat support a gender-blind draft. The male-only draft is currently under legal challenge. It's time to find something else to be outraged over.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 06:51 AM
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I don't think you guys understand the damage you are doing to your own credibility. It's weird. And depressing.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 06:22 AM
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Yes, we are. Thank you for your interest.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 04:40 AM
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I've struggled with a way to say this tactfully, but there isn't any. You sound insane. You've moved past resentful generalizations into conspiracy theory. I'm especially surprised because I've seen some of the handles here demonstrate strong, evidence-based critical thinking elsewhere. How are you not embarrassed to sign on to such a ridiculously vague and fundamentally unverifiable assertion? And then add your own spin on top of it?
/r/MensRights27/05/13 04:31 AM
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Aw, well thank you for listening! I appreciate that very much. <3 I agree, text can be a tough medium for controversial topics.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 11:36 PM
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Ha! I forgot our earlier "discussion." I am saying this with all friendliness: you engaged with me a few days ago, and it really didn't feel like an attempt to build a bridge. You started angry and ended angrier. If you go in with guns blazing, the other person is going to get hostile, and there you go, you just outed one more bitch. If you punch every person you meet in the face, you're going to meet a lot of nasty people. Just saying.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 10:52 PM
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I literally lol'd.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 09:56 PM
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Today, women are no longer barred from combat, and the draft remains male only Women have only recently been allowed in combat positions. The general consensus among legal scholars says that as it stands, the draft cannot be restricted to men. SCOTUS reviewed a suit in the 80s that argued that the male-only draft violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. SCOTUS upheld the male-only draft on the basis that women were not allowed to serve, and thus could not be compelled to. Now th…
/r/MensRights26/05/13 07:04 PM
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We can say that they're equally important but even if I did believe that to be true (sorry , I don't think they are for the same reason I don't ignore the guy with the gun so that I can focus on the guy who only claims to have a gun This is the type of self-defeating statement I'm talking about. This is competitive victimization. When I hear something like this, it sounds like one solution would be to increase the number of female suicides, because that would solve the issue of fairness. You can…
/r/MensRights26/05/13 05:59 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/hLdnJQQ.jpg I didn't know about imgur, so JF, thank you! Pretty cool. I'm not going to debate whether CH was just being saucy. Maybe you see him as a jester, but to me, he looks like a guy who gets too angry to say anything coherent and just starts spewing bile. In any case, once someone drops to this level of argument, I assume they maybe are not fully open to anything I have to say.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 05:12 PM
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Posts like this really bum me out. Go out and make female friends. Do not assume they want to tear you to pieces. They are more like you than unlike you. Assuming you do not fall into a nest of sociopaths, they DO want to understand, adapt, learn, love and try to make the world a better place. They are human beings. Young, fallible, sometimes kind, sometimes selfish. Again, like you. You may get your feelings hurt, but you may also form relationships that last the rest of your life. My best male…
/r/MensRights26/05/13 07:05 AM
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I'm kind of torn on how to answer this. I do not have an arsenal. If I make the same point repeatedly, that is simply a weakness in my own persuasive abilities. I am saying this stuff in good faith, whether or not you agree with it. I know you think you are helping the OP by shielding him from anything other than uncritical sympathy. You are entitled to think that. I disagree. I gave him common sense advice I would give to anyone in that situation. I did not tell him that ladies are too sensitiv…
/r/MensRights26/05/13 06:19 AM
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I don't have anywhere to post it, though I'm not sure it matters to you. I can post a link to the thread and add the missing text if you wish. Though again, it doesn't sound like it would change your mind. As to the line it crossed -- I was mainly thinking "sanity." If a reddit post can get you that angry, then maybe the Internet is not for you.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 04:40 AM
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Seriously, read what you just said. Rather than patting the OP on the head and enabling a pity party, I gave him some straightforward constructive criticism. You disagree, which is of course your right -- but in no way can you possibly think I am censoring him. That is ludicrous. Whining is whining. We all indulge. It's fun for a while, and it's nice to get sympathy, but encouraging someone to wallow in self-pity is not supportive. It presumes they are weak and have no control over their circums…
/r/MensRights26/05/13 04:24 AM
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This is another example of properly framing the issue. There is absolutely no reason a feminist would not consider male suicide a serious issue, recognize that the drivers may be somewhat different from female suicide, and thus may need different approaches. I am a feminist who is very concerned about male depression. However, I find it very unattractive when the issue is framed as a competition between women attempting suicide and males actually doing it. You can focus on male suicide without t…
/r/MensRights26/05/13 02:25 AM
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Maybe you should just restart this thread under a different title. I think you have something more specific in mind about men facing false rape accusations.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 02:09 AM
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Why wouldn't I be polite? Personally, I would call that chauvinism, not misandry. You can argue about who has it worse (and plenty do). Women are often perceived to be less competent than men, but also more trustworthy. In terms of chauvinism, I would agree with you that the number is very high on both sides. It's extremely difficult to completely shed all preconceived notions about any group. The key is whether it's a vague feeling that can be overcome in the face of opposing evidence or not.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 01:41 AM
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It was deleted, for obvious reasons. I have a screen snap if you have somewhere I can upload it. Or I can reproduce the text. Just curious, when you do see it, what will your reaction be? Will you be outraged that CH said something so over the line?
/r/MensRights26/05/13 01:25 AM
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Well, as I said, the tone is perfectly fine for a place like this, where most of the posters already agree and are happy to validate the OP. I'm talking about moving out of the bubble. Discussion first implies that you are ready to listen to the other party, not just splatter your opinions all over them. It also implies that you aren't trying to "trick" them into revealing what assholes they are. Debating with people you consider bigots is really about reassuring yourself how right you are. If y…
/r/MensRights26/05/13 01:12 AM
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Aren't you the guy who non-ironically wished death on all feminists, and made a point to include me in that wish? That would be an example of a bad discussion starter.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 12:58 AM
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I am sorry you have had that experience. If you like, you can try talking to me.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 09:30 PM
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Thank you :)
/r/MensRights25/05/13 09:17 PM
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Not to mention how they struggle with non sequiturs.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 09:03 PM
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There's chauvinism, sexism, and misandry. Are you sure you mean misandry? I consider myself a hardcore feminist, and I would estimate <1% of the American population to be truly misogynist. Actually hating one sex or the other is pretty extreme. If you genuinely think the number is 75%, how do you define misandry?
/r/MensRights25/05/13 08:52 PM
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Especially if the feminist says something like, "watch out, you're going to get hit by that car." . . . ETA: not really sure why this particular comment is getting such a negative response. It's just a joke, guys. Seriously, don't get hit by cars. That's bad for you.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 08:42 PM
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I'm suggesting that encouraging hysteria in reaction to hysteria is not the most helpful approach.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 08:29 PM
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That may well be. However, you need to be careful that you don't do the same thing. You don't like feminists, so you find more reasons to justify your dislike, even if the situation is ambiguous. This makes you angrier and even more quick to judge. WHAT IF this is just a post from a thirteen-year-old girl who doesn't know much about the world yet? What if it's not evidence that the world is against you? Would that not be something of a relief?
/r/MensRights25/05/13 08:06 PM
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While your points were valid, the tone of your post was defensive and had a "poor-me" quality to it. If you genuinely want discussion, you should re-consider your approach. This is not a reflection on you personally. It is just some direct advice that may help you discuss your concerns outside of a group that already agrees with you.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 07:56 PM
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Don't be. You will be fine. Don't buy into the hysteria.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 07:27 PM
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Blacklock, how did you know this boy? Was he a friend of yours? I am so sorry for your loss.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 06:51 PM
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You haven't warned her not to talk to strangers? Stranger Danger, that kind of thing?
/r/MensRights25/05/13 06:44 PM
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I guess everyone needs a boogeyman. She has men. You have feminists.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 06:41 PM
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Who is the table saw in this situation?
/r/MensRights25/05/13 06:39 PM
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The counselor did not think it was rape? Regardless, it sounds like you have gotten some clarity on a confusing and traumatic event. My best wishes to you.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 06:27 PM
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I'm so sorry. That sounds truly terrible. Have you talked to a counselor? Even if you do not press charges, you still need to process what happened. If he grabbed you and slapped you... That just sounds bad. :( Please find someone to talk to and start healing.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 08:14 AM
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I'm not always a good person. Psssssst - neither am I. ;) All we can do is struggle forward, right? Forgive ourselves, forgive others, and go forward. I do believe that we are always doing the best we can. Though that is sometimes depressing given what someone's "best" is.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 07:43 AM
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You know what, I'll take it. I'm a healthy, financially successful white American living in the 21st century, which makes me luckier then 99% of all the people who have ever lived on the planet. I guess I could start feeling sorry for myself that I haven't hit that final 1%... I mean, how can I be happy, thinking that somebody, somewhere has something I don't?
/r/MensRights25/05/13 07:29 AM
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People use humor for primarily two reasons: to relieve anxiety about a difficult topic. Classic pain + distance. Just enough pain and distance, the joke is hilarious. To someone else with more pain and less distance, the joke is in poor taste. Neither is wrong, and it's important to remember that if a topic raised NO anxiety, no one would laugh. So even if someone had a rougher sense of humor than you, both of you are connected by the shared anxiety. People also use humor is to soften a potentia…
/r/MensRights25/05/13 06:53 AM
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It's weird how it's always the other guy's turn to rise above it, right? We can be better, just not right now. We'll stop when they do. Yes, we can ACT like dicks, but they really ARE dicks, so it's different.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 06:14 AM
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... So, fight hysteria with more hysteria?
/r/MensRights25/05/13 05:43 AM
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Plenty of highly traditional men and women subscribe to this theory too, particularly when they have teenaged daughters. Men are animals. They will do anything to get sex. My daughter can't date until she's 30. I've had plenty of guys say similar things to me with pride, presumably because it confirmed that they were red-blooded males.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 05:25 AM
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when all you read all day long is how women falsely accuse men of rape, it warps your mind. Just like when society tells you that men are all aggressive sexual deviates, it warps your mind. Totally. I think it can be a real struggle to try stay socially aware without getting jaded.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 05:13 AM
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You see the leap you just made there? Maybe she just found out her best friend was molested. You assuming that it's feminism that made her think this, but it could be any number of things. Who knows, maybe it's just a cry for attention like someone said below. It is after all, a pretty short post.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 04:57 AM
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No one is suggesting she's saying "So i can accuse men of rape" Plenty of people are saying that. I read the sign, and I didn't get it either, but some people explained it. Meanwhile, someone in that thread actually described being raped, and no one showed the slightest bit of interest or compassion. And this perfectly reasonable statement is getting downvoted into oblivion: While I understand the difficulty some men may have in reading this particular woman's view, I would hope you would also u…
/r/MensRights25/05/13 04:14 AM
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If it helps; you are still very young. In time, your pain will be less, and it's possible that your father will grow up a bit as well. A lot of people say that you stop maturing when you become a drug addict. You'll always carry some wound, but pain is often what helps us grow. I'm glad you have a mother and a stepfather to love you as you deserve.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 04:06 AM
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She is afraid of men. Kind of like how a bunch of posters on here are afraid of women. Don't rape me; don't falsely accuse me of rape. Fearful people need compassion.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 03:40 AM
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I totally sympathize with fathers being treated as predators. If that happened to me, I would be very angry. Fathers, what do you think the solution is? I imagine a lot of you would NOT be comfortable with a bunch of strange men hanging around your kids at a park. How do you balance freedom with your own protective instincts? I think this phenomenon stems from the huge upswing in attention to kidnapped children in the 70s. People just monitor their kids way more these days. It's much less common…
/r/MensRights25/05/13 12:56 AM
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That isn't ambiguous. That's rape.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 11:47 PM
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I think you might be missing the flip a woman has to make. If man penetrates and woman is penetrated, then you have to compare both sides. A man being penetrated, yes, that's different. But then you need to consider the woman penetrating - hence wearing the strap on or eating pussy, and since I'm not adventurous Like That, that would be weird for me. Either side can just close their eyes and get head, so that doesn't count.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 07:22 PM
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I feel a little silly debating this, but a man can do the same thing by being a top.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 07:08 PM
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Did you just take horse amphetamines?
/r/MensRights24/05/13 06:30 PM
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Just one thing: you seem to be switching between your personal relationship and the overall social discussion. In this particular thread, I was referring specifically to personal relationships. That's why I'm taken aback when you refer to emotional thumbscrews, or women making men suffer for their own personal amusement. Because then it sounds like you are dating a sadist. Maybe you just like to use hyperbole and I missed it.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 06:20 PM
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Speaking as a woman, I would consider touching another woman's pussy to be pretty different than what I do with men. Or wearing a strap-on.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 05:56 PM
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By this logic, gay men have all the more reason to hate women. But most gay men I know self-identify as feminists, and feminists overwhelmingly support gay rights.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 05:50 PM
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I'd be happy to re-identify as humanist, or whatever. Someone else said that feminism could be defined as working for the betterment of humanity, with a focus on women's rights, and men's rights have the same definition, except obviously with a focus on men. That to me sounds more complementary and mutually respectful. Maybe that would also reduce some of the tit for tat stuff going on.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 05:45 PM
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Okay, I said I wouldn't engage, but of all the things you've said, two in particular have annoyed me greatly. The idea that I think you are mean, and that you could ever make me cry. You are doing everything you can to get a rise out of me. All that does is start a flame war. I don't engage in those.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 05:29 PM
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You guys know Dworkin died recently, right? Ann Coulter has about ten books out, but doesn't make her an authority on anything. She's just made a career out of being opinionated and obnoxious.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 07:48 AM
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You know, you'd save a lot of time by just answering with yes/no instead of going on about how mean the question is. I did answer it. Twice. I am not going to engage with someone who calls me a "dishonest little twit." If you need to turn that into a ten paragraph screed on how I've inadvertently revealed myself as slavering, mentally-challenged dishonesty slagbeast, well, not much I can do about that. Try not to burst a blood vessel.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 07:15 AM
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply. It really does make me sad to hear you use such defeatist language with regard to women. I recognize this is your experience, and you've given me some insight into how men feel beaten down. But I really hope that you can find it within yourself to give women a little bit more credit. As I said upthread, it's true that women don't have a lot of practice listening to men. But women really do want to connect with their partners. They do want to hear about men's …
/r/MensRights24/05/13 06:16 AM
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Men's Rights is lucky to have you.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 05:39 AM
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I'm not suggesting you join the feminist movement to help women. I'm suggesting that you take allies where you find them, and work together where you can find common ground. You say that feminists' reputation "is their problem, not ours." But a lot of people here seem to feel that feminism is an overwhelming, ubiquitous force, which would imply that feminism's reputation is doing just fine. For instance, the number of boys on Ritalin -- obviously, feminists have sons. This doesn't necessarily ha…
/r/MensRights24/05/13 03:16 AM
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I'm having trouble relating to this one, because I can't remember ever doing this. But okay, you say it's common. Certainly I would find that maddening. If it is common, then this situation and how to deal with it effectively, and the underlying cause must be documented somewhere, right? Have you ever read about it, or discussed it with other men or women? For instance, I've read several different things on nagging and how to avoid getting into a bad cycle there. Have you considered that there m…
/r/MensRights24/05/13 02:42 AM
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Deeeeeeep breath. I was trying to relate to you, not take you down point by point. In the statement you mention, Bell Hooks describes her fantasy as irrational rage and analyzes what brought those thoughts to her mind when it was such a minor incident. Have you ever randomly wanted to kill someone for a second or two and then dropped it? In any case, I'm not going to defend her entire body of work - I haven't read it - but in what I read, she speaks very compassionately about men. I was comparin…
/r/MensRights23/05/13 11:28 PM
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Fair question. Statements like "all men are potential rapists" or "all men are inherently selfish" are sexist and misandrist. And I do feel bad for people who make blanket statements like that, because not only are they unfair, but they are locking themselves into a box where the vast majority of perfectly nice people cannot enter. I was reading Bella Hooks recently, and she said something I found very interesting. I can look up the exact quote if you want, but it was basically, the average man …
/r/MensRights23/05/13 09:57 PM
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You know what I hate about the Welsh? They all make sweeping generalizations.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:51 PM
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Dude, it's one thread on the topic. I am referring to the guy as an INDIVIDUAL. If you aren't getting the same thing from the story, talk about what you took away from it. As in, discussion with different offshoots. There is not one correct reaction to reading an article like this.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:40 PM
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Actually, I posted in this thread because it seemed to be referring to concrete actions, not political inequity. If a woman told me she was afraid of being raped or contracting HIV, I would give her largely the same advice: get to know the guy. Use protection. Don't let a small risk (even with a deadly outcome) stop you from finding love.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:30 PM
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Well, plenty of women HAVE gotten married under those laws in the past. Generally, I think you can have political inequity, and still have rewarding connections with real people. I'm not sure what the 2% indicates here. Does that refer to a particular statistic that concerns you?
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:25 PM
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Wrong on both counts. I did end up here because I was looking for one particularly moving post about the issues facing men today (written by a man). I had trouble finding it in search, and started looking through this reddit since it had popped up the most in my results. I am new, and looking around reddit generally, but since I've been reading a lot on male psychology, a lot of stuff here jumped out at me. It's not common to hear men talk about these issues IRL, so I am interested in what you g…
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:19 PM
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Happy to give you a laugh. :)
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:08 PM
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I think this is part of the problem. You are trying to hunt down flaws in my argument, when I am not making an argument. I am talking about basic human connection, and you are coming from a place of such fear and hurt that you can't hear it. There was a thread here a few days back from a guy dating a girl who said that she didn't think men were capable of love. He asked if her father and brothers loved her, and she said that didn't count, because they had to, or something. You know what every po…
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:05 PM
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How is telling someone that he might find non-insane women spreading fear? I am doing the opposite. As for spreading uncertainty and doubt -- when I see men who are considering some of the extreme measures suggested here, yes, maybe a little uncertainty that the world is really that dangerous is helpful.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 06:48 PM
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I disagree. But leaving that aside, Nazi references in posts WITH LOTS OF CAPS and excess PUNCTUATION!!!! mainly make the poster look like he's lost some control of his argument.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 06:39 PM
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Godwin's Law. I win.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 01:44 PM
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I think I understand what you're getting at, though I believe it's a distinction without a difference. I'm having trouble with this particular analogy for a couple reasons. First, as I understand it, there are an equal number of peasants and monarchs. Second, what are these peasants aspiring to? Not monarchy, obviously. Presumably a major peasant insult is, "don't be such a fucking monarch!" Is the goal to become some type of Xman peasant? Third, in this scenario, the monarchs don't have any mon…
/r/MensRights23/05/13 01:34 PM
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No. These terms imply you are weak and cowardly. Regardless, saying all women are privileged and spoiled IS straightforward misogyny.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 01:24 PM
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Sure. But then I think the relationship is much closer, and the couple can decide together on whether to continue the pregnancy. Hopefully they discussed their plans for children before marriage. Again, it's really tough to build stable, long term relationships without some modicum of trust. Obviously, I know married couples with children. I also had a girlfriend who got sick of waiting for her bf to commit, and told him she wanted to have children with him, married or not. They discussed it lik…
/r/MensRights23/05/13 01:05 PM
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Turning something into an acronym doesn't mean it's not true.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 12:53 PM
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Hm. Well, I am glad to hear about your gf, because from your last post it sounded like you'd given up on women altogether. It sounds like you do understand at least some things about your gf -- you can tell when she's had a busy day, and maybe offloads that on you. Taking the "where do you want to eat tonight question." It sounds like you are saying that you think your gf wants you to guess the right answer? Otherwise, presumably you'd list a few suggestions, and if she gave no input, you'd pick…
/r/MensRights23/05/13 12:40 PM
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OTOH, the large majority of crazy ideas are just crazy. I don't know if you are loading the phrase "care about men" with something extra, like "thinks about men's rights in a way I've deemed acceptable." If someone asks me, "do you care about men", to me, they are effectively asking me if I am a sociopath. Just like most people, I have a father. I also have uncles, a grandfather I loved dearly, cousins, a step-brother, men I've been friends with for over twenty years, coworkers, neighbors, femal…
/r/MensRights23/05/13 12:25 PM
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Noted.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 12:01 PM
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I'm terribly sorry that I implied that there might be a few women out there with whom you could be happy. Please accept my apologies on suggestions that were insufficiently paranoid. And of course, best of luck on your snip! Keep us posted.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 06:32 AM
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I'm just relieved that no one here has copped to having a RealDoll.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 06:13 AM
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I recognize that you think that I'm trying to end run into a dismissive attitude toward male rape survivors. I respect that you feel protective. I don't think I can express myself any better than I have, so I will leave it at that.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 05:43 AM
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Nope, not having it out with you, sorry. Perhaps you feel that there are only two ways to react to this story, and if I didn't say the exact same thing you did, then I must be against you or what you believe. Maybe this will help illustrate my point: I've read a lot of Holocaust memoirs. I don't read them because of my opinion on genocide. I read them to bear witness to the author's suffering. I think about how it affected their view of the world. I try to expand my understanding of the human co…
/r/MensRights23/05/13 05:29 AM
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I'm saying what I said. I think it's a powerful story. I appreciate that he shared it. He has a unique vantage point on the term "rape culture". I think it's important to step back and take a moment to recognize the human being who wrote it without immediately applying the lens of one's own political beliefs, whatever they may be.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 05:07 AM
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How can you be so sure that she believes all men are misogynists? You're right that that's "out there", but that's not what she said.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 04:57 AM
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i think it's easy to read a story about an actual person, and then backfit it to what we already believe. Real life is usually way more complicated. My deepest sympathies to this survivor.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 04:52 AM
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You genuinely don't see how extreme that fear is and how little faith you have put in your own judgment?
/r/MensRights23/05/13 04:41 AM
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Right. There's no way to absolutely guarantee that you won't marry a murderer, that's true. I just think that if you put the odds of that in perspective, maybe that would give you some room to meet somebody who doesn't plan to tear you asunder. homicidal females << non-homicidal ones.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 02:39 AM
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You guys can make this much easier on yourselves: actually get to know a woman before you sleep with her. If she repeatedly tries to steal your sperm, she's probably not the one for you. use a condom. Ask her if she is on the pill. run a really small risk that you will get screwed. Living with risks is what enables you to drive a car, get a job, leave your house on a regular basis, etc, etc.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 12:05 AM
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What do you have against socks?
/r/MensRights22/05/13 11:55 PM
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Sounds like you haven't met the right vibrator yet. Don't worry, he's out there.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 11:50 PM
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I think when men do it, it involves at least one stripper.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 11:48 PM
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It's not passive-aggressive. If you live in a world where you don't see people who care about each other, then you are in a very bleak place that I don't want to visit. I am sorry that you are there, and I hope you find your way out. Other possible topics of interest: The Earth: revisiting the possibility of flatness Am I just a figment of your imagination? Green vs. blue as a favorite color. . . . . . Edited for excessive snark.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 09:29 PM
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This is not true. A lot of people think it is, but it is 100% up to you to define yourself. Hopefully you define yourself with some basic regard for other people, not as, "I am a man who hits things with my car", but other people do not get to tell you who you are. Women do this a lot too -- they talk about how society pressures women to be skinny, etc. They are right to some extent, but you can't relinquish your own agency. That turns you into a victim. I think maybe people under 25 feel this m…
/r/MensRights22/05/13 08:37 PM
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I totally agree. I think women ask other women because the men in their lives will always insist that they are fine. Honestly, it's not that common for a man to acknowledge actual complexity. Hence the joke, "men have two emotions: hungry and horny." MEN tell that joke. I know your last sentence is tongue in cheek, but this is actually what I'm talking about. If you would like to understand women, what do you to enhance your understanding? I have a dog. When I got him, I went out and got a bunch…
/r/MensRights22/05/13 07:07 PM
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ACTUALLY, many feminists would say the opposite. If you self-identify as a feminist, I will consider you one. That doesn't mean I agree with your interpretation, but it indicates that you've given some thought to gender roles. Different branches of feminism vehemently disagree on what feminism means, and certain prominent members of the feminist movement hate each other's guts.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 06:12 PM
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If you can't understand how crazy that question is, I honestly feel bad for you. Part of me wants to elaborate on how crazy it is, but I feel that would detract from the fact that it is crazy.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 05:55 PM
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This is an oversimplification. It is perfectly possible that there's a switch in our brains that says I Am A Fe/Male, after which the child says, great, what does that mean? Gender can be a full construct from there, which is actually supported by how transgender people behave. Also, I love Pinker, but his ideas need to be taken with a grain of salt. Like most cognitive scientists, he's a bit of a bs artist. He stretches small studies well past the breaking point to support his theories. He's al…
/r/MensRights22/05/13 07:04 AM
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I feel like we are going in a circle here. Are you saying that men who don't embody traditional male values should not feel worthwhile? That they couldn't possibly have anything else to offer? I'm not saying that men define themselves traditionally out of malice. I'm saying that these roles are limiting to both sexes, and that society enforces these limits with shame.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 02:56 AM
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I'm still not getting you. If a man is "soft", are you saying that he SHOULD feel shame, because that will encourage him to get tougher, and thereby more manly?
/r/MensRights22/05/13 02:36 AM
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I'm not sure how that's different from what I said. Why should men feel shame for having valuable qualities that are stereotypically feminine? Why shouldn't he be able to express those traits as part of his humanity?
/r/MensRights22/05/13 02:02 AM
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I'm not going to ask you if you care about women, because that is an incredibly stupid question. I'm more curious about whether you kick puppies, or think malaria is bad.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 01:43 AM
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I am not sure I understand your last paragraph. Is there a word missing? I'm not familiar with these gaming aspects, but again, this looks like practice on how to score with chicks, not how to get along with your wife. Am I wrong?
/r/MensRights22/05/13 01:37 AM
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As you point out, I do not control what you're allowed to care about. By all means, care about anything you wish. I have never been called paternalistic before. I'll take it, I guess. I've never been part of the patriarchy before. Maybe it'll be fun. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I would consider the biggest issues facing men today: shorter life span the number of boys on Ritalin the general concept of male disposability male depression giving men more room to express themselves and emo…
/r/MensRights22/05/13 01:28 AM
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Um, okay. I care about men. How can you possibly ask that? It's a ridiculous question, and no way would you tolerate it if I gender-flipped that. And you'd be right not to tolerate it.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 01:19 AM
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FINE, if we must agree on something. ;)
/r/MensRights21/05/13 11:21 PM
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We are talking about two subtly different things. I read your post again as talking about making a woman happy. Taking some concrete action. Men are generally more comfortable with this. I'm talking about understanding. If a woman says, "x will make me happy" and it doesn't, why is that? This is a question women struggle with a lot. Why does a man say one thing, and then do another? What is going on there? Your posts make women sound very cruel and capricious, as if women have no interest in men…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 11:16 PM
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I hear your frustration. I wasn't really thinking Cosmo -- there are reams and reams of self-help books on How To Understand/Please your man. I see women reading them on the bus pretty frequently. I have never seen a man reading something similar. Let me go at this another way -- I hear you saying that women are unpleasable, and that is a complaint I have often heard. I'm asking something else -- what have you done, or what do men do concretely to understand women? Because I have trouble believi…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 11:04 PM
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You are of course entitled to your opinion. I'm not sure if you know, but some gyms HAVE been sued over this, though I don't think the suits were successful. I guess what I'm saying is that what's fair often depends on what context you are allowing for. Very few men have been sexually intimidated by women, whereas almost all women have been sexually intimidated by men. It's just a fact. It affects different women to different degrees, and perhaps that will change in the future, but that's where …
/r/MensRights21/05/13 10:15 PM
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I'm going to bring up one more thing. Women spend lots of time trying to understand men. They read books, articles, talk to their friends, and try to decipher tiny clues the men in their lives leave around. My impression is that men do much less of this. They may read a few articles on how to get a woman into bed, or how to get her off, but it seems to me that men view really trying to understand women as... a really feminine thing to do. Almost every girl has had a guy try to pull a porno move …
/r/MensRights21/05/13 09:47 PM
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Yes, absolutely. I think many men are already afraid to talk about their feelings, and quite honestly are bad at it. And many women have no practice hearing from men, and are honestly pretty bad at it, even though they say that's what they want. The men were already trepidatious about this whole expression thing anyway, so they give up. If you are interested in reading about one feminist's experience with this, try Bella Hooks. I think something that's really important is men just allowing thems…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 09:21 PM
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Why not make it a three-gen thing? :D
/r/MensRights21/05/13 09:12 PM
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I don't think he was saying, poor womenz. In the beginning of the article, he drew an analogy to a woman trying to discuss an issue with her husband, and feeling like he's not engaging her. He extends this idea to the women's movement generally, and posits that this is why so many feminist issues are framed as complaints about men. Women want engagement, but they get silence. I think he is saying this in an entirely positive way about how men and women can work together to deconstruct this. Pers…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 08:26 PM
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If your son is with you on Fathers Day, maybe you can turn it into a little ritual for the two of you to do something "manly" - a Fathers and Sons day. I still remember how much fun it was to learn how to make coffee and squeeze orange juice for my mom's breakfast. Maybe make breakfast together and eat it together on the bed. :)
/r/MensRights21/05/13 07:35 PM
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Again, with all due respect, you can't speak to the ogling, any more than I can hold forth on men's locker rooms. You are talking about your gym, not every gym, and you can't get into someone else's head. And of course, not all women are the same. Obviously plenty of women are comfortable working out in a mixed sex environment, and plenty of women go to gyms hoping to get dates. It sounds like you want to take away a benefit for women, which I don't completely understand. I get that it's not fai…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 06:43 PM
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Yeah, I get that. It's just that it's a bit more of a stereotype that you get your dad an ugly tie because he doesn't care about the holiday. Your family might be surprised to learn that it matters to you, so maybe there is some way to tactfully let them know. Admittedly I can't really think of a tactful way to say, "I want a gift"!
/r/MensRights21/05/13 06:32 PM
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Are you a Dad? Can you ask your family to do something nice for you? I think that's kind of sweet. Are your kids young enough to make you breakfast in bed?
/r/MensRights21/05/13 06:03 PM
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Hey, I'm calm. Here's a smiley. :) As I've offered up thread, I can tell you why women feel uncomfortable being ogled, but it sounds like you just dismiss that out of hand. Do I think women's only hours are unfair? Yeah, kinda. This is honestly the first time I've heard men express the desire to exercise without women around, and that seems entirely valid. I would support "men-only" gym hours.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 05:57 PM
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I thought that was a great article. A man asserting that men need to join the discussion on gender roles more actively, to talk both to women and other men about male concerns, acknowledging some ways that men have benefitted from feminism, while also pointing out how this discussion has been framed very negatively. Looking through MRA, I mostly see a mirror image of those dreaded feminists. Lots of bitching about small inequalities, lots and lots and lots of complaining about feminism, lots of …
/r/MensRights21/05/13 05:48 PM
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The concept of "viability" was established in Roe v Wade, and lots of people have pointed out that this was probably not the best standard, including other Supreme Court justices. Roe v. Wade was probably not the best framework for the right to abortion for other reasons as well. It's focus is more on protecting doctors' rights to perform procedures without interference from the state. In any case, my hope is that with better and better birth control methods coming out for both sexes, and better…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 05:15 PM
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You say you are not sexist, but describe women as useless. Just curious, what would an ACTUAL sexist say?
/r/MensRights21/05/13 05:04 PM
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Why are you asking when you have already decided on the answer?
/r/MensRights21/05/13 04:48 PM
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How on earth would you know how frequently women experience intrusive stares? And why wouldn't a woman's perception of it valid? It's HER experience, not yours. I can try to explain why women can experience ogling very negatively, but I have the feeling you're not interested in hearing someone else's perspective.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 04:44 PM
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I think you may have missed my point -- I would definitely not get ogled in a gay male gym, as I have the wrong plumbing. As for straight gyms. I just read another redditor defending the practice of taking stealth photos. He said he loves to work out for a few hours while eye banging some hottie, take a sneak pic on his way out, and then go home to spank off to it. So while I am sure YOU would never do such a dastardly thing, there are other men out there with more relaxed standards for their be…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 06:59 AM
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In all seriousness, if this is a problem for you, maybe try to find a gym that has man-only hours, or maybe you can start up a local outdoors fitness group for men? Or perhaps work with a personal trainer? Or as I mentioned up thread, there may well be gay male fitness groups you can take advantage of, as long as you don't mind be treated like a piece of meat. ;) You might have more luck at a boxing ring setup or possibly some type of martial arts that men tend to favor. I do sympathize with you…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 04:40 AM
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I'm sorry, but this is silly. Men look at women a lot. Not saying this is horrible and evil, but the reality is that it can make women uncomfortable, and some guys really are gross about it. As a sidebar, living in SF, there are a lot of gay male-only venues which I am excluded from. My gay friends cheerfully explained to me that it turns them on to be around all men, and not to bother bitching about it. So I don't. If I really felt like I was missing out on something important and unique, it wo…
/r/MensRights21/05/13 04:33 AM
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I'm confused. Are you saying that these openly gay soldiers are attacking other men? Or that they are more likely to be victims of attacks because they make other men uncomfortable? Or something else?
/r/MensRights21/05/13 04:22 AM
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This is way too cut and dried. It is still humiliating and scary for a woman to come forward. People are much more likely to assume she "asked for it" or it was consensual. A woman will still be perceived as hurting her unit for selfish reasons. A woman may fear that she will cause other military women to be perceived negatively. I'm not saying that coming forward is a cakewalk for men, but there's no need to make it a competition. It's not like there's a finite amount of Rape Justice pie.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 04:19 AM
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Yeah, I know. The phrasing just made me chuckle.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 01:13 AM
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This is true. Also, I haven't seen anyone mention a way more common scenario, which is when the condom breaks. I don't bring this up to advocate for either side. I just think it's a great indication of how far this thread has detached from reality.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 01:12 AM
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This is actually not correct. Women generally have better impulse control. If it makes you feel any better, it's theorized that this is caused by men "spending" more willpower controlling sexual and aggressive impulses.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 01:06 AM
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Fucking Kappas, man.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 01:03 AM
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I am almost positive that the guy wears the condom. It has been a while though, IFyaknowwhaddimean.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 12:59 AM
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I'm loving that in this scenario if a guy gets crabs, he can claim he was raped. I can't believe no one has suggested this before.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 12:57 AM
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I wasn't referring to living costs, actually, though yes, many girls don't understand that having a baby too young will almost certainly condemn them to a life of poverty. I was actually referring to something that hasn't been discussed here at all: the actual work of raising a kid. Wiping their noses. Wiping their asses. Answering the same question twelve thousand times. Making sure they don't set themselves on fire. Not having a free evening to yourself for months at a time because you can't f…
/r/MensRights20/05/13 11:13 PM
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I don't want to be lied to either. I'm pretty sure no one enjoys betrayal. Hey look, men and women have something in common. ;)
/r/MensRights20/05/13 10:05 PM
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Take a step back here. Do you want someone telling you that they know who you are based on your gender? Neither do I. My guess is that on some level, you would be happy if someone could "prove" you wrong, because then you could actually be with women who aren't jackasses. The way you've structured your beliefs guarantees that can't happen. Don't insult women and burden yourself with these types of self-defeating thoughts.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 09:19 PM
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You realize that you just told me that I should PROBABLY tell you that you're a rapist, right? Not really sure where to go with that. Leaving that aside, that was so completely not my point.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 09:02 PM
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Are you for real? Two people are married for five years, the woman says she wants a child, and they discuss it as a couple. This is unethical? You seem to live in a world where women are omnipotent monsters. Are you so far over the edge that you don't believe that sometimes men might break promises they've made to women?
/r/MensRights20/05/13 08:57 PM
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... For one woman. Should I tell you that I know you're a rapist? Again, these statements aren't helpful to ANYONE, including you. I'm assuming you're straight. Carrying around that level of anger and fear isn't going to protect you. It's just going to make you lonely and bitter.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 08:42 PM
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Blanket statements about either sex are not helpful to anyone.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 08:21 PM
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This is a great example of how following an ostensibly logical train of thought can eventually carry you into an alternate galaxy. Are we now seriously discussing the fiscal rights of rapists who impregnate their victims, who then keep the pregnancy and want to get child support from their (presumably) imprisoned attackers? Can we possibly find a smaller, more theoretical group of people to wring our hands over?
/r/MensRights20/05/13 07:35 PM
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Okay, this actually demonstrates several common fallacies. Leaving aside the shortcomings of statistics, they certainly do NOT show that ALL men are violent, or that ALL black people are criminals. Stats showing that some men rape doesn't mean that ALL men rape. Which, returning to your situation, means that just because some women lie about DV, not ALL women do. What I mean is that your experience, while interesting, doesn't say a lot either way, first because you only saw a small slice of the …
/r/MensRights20/05/13 07:03 PM
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Theophagist, I truly am sorry for what you are going through. I don't believe that your case is the norm, but it's happening to you, and when we get down to it, it's about the individual, not the statistics. I really wish you the best and hope things look up for you soon.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 06:48 PM
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I don't think Obama actually said the words man up. The OP either misremembered, or added his own spin to the title. And while it's to some degree a matter of interpretation, he wasn't trying to shame these guys, he wanted to inspire them. That's why he picked out a guy who had worked his ass off to graduate while supporting his family. He didn't point out other grads and say, "you're deadbeat dads."
/r/MensRights20/05/13 06:41 PM
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Well, they WERE in jail for those charges. Why are you so ready to believe the women were lying? Regardless, it's a few people. Anecdotal situation != everybody in the world.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 06:57 AM
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Are you familiar with the recent subway ad campaign in New York against teen pregnancy? There were pretty controversial, but they were directed at both girls and boys. Or Bill Cosby, who went on a total tear about the state of the poor black family. I guess what I don't understand is that girls are told ALL THE TIME to be careful, to save themselves, to use birth control, not to throw their lives away with an unplanned pregnancy. And yeah, girls still do it sometimes, often because they are way …
/r/MensRights20/05/13 06:42 AM
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It's a commencement speech. There are maybe ten things people say: you are the future, work hard, fight injustice, be true to yourself, dream big.... Okay, maybe there are only five.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 05:45 AM
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I must agree. I am constantly amazed by how vigorously men shame each other. Need to end an argument? Call the guy a pussy, a fag (even if you are pro-gay rights), tell him his wife keeps his balls in her purse. Obviously pussies, fags and betas by definition are wrong. Also, WRT children, these things just aren't that simple. Hence the cliche, "my father went out for a pack of smokes twenty years ago, and we haven't seen him since." Men can and do make promises to women that they later break. I…
/r/MensRights20/05/13 02:57 AM
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Obama gives commencement speech: "Bitches Be Tricky" Obama received thunderous applause after urging male graduates to avoid vaginal sex, noting that "they tell you they on the pill, but then they get knocked up and shit." Obama also suggested that men do their best to remain unemployed, so that their lying, conniving partners don't get any sneaky ideas about divorce or alimony. Obama ended his remarks with an impassioned plea to young people to avoid taking responsibility for their lives. "Noth…
/r/MensRights20/05/13 01:06 AM
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POKshop, what class was this? Is it a class you are taking out of interest, or is it a requirement for your degree? What is your major? If you don't mind me asking.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 12:00 AM
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I agree with this. Rather than try to prove her wrong, ask her why she feels this way. If the two of you are young, it's quite possible that she's had a few really bad experiences and it's coloring her judgment. I would also tell her that you found her statements upsetting/insulting. Have you ever been in love before? Share that experience. Finally, if you really want to debate it with her: Freud wrote that men were capable of truly selfless love, but that women were too self-involved. Aristotle…
/r/MensRights19/05/13 06:19 PM
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