SpookyPutin Archive

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–	A lot of women reject bisexual men because femininity is the only leverage they think they have If you're worried about diseases then you would ask ALL your partners get tested before you sleep with them and again after they sleep with someone other than you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 11:11 AM
1	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? Inconsistent but not lying or manipulative. It's more said women don't understand. In my college years I interacted with a few and they poisoned my perception of the movment until I put in my own work and found out I actually agree with it but not their view of it. I understand patriarchy benefits men and most men uphold it in some way and at the same time women uphold it in their own ways. Patriarchy also hurts men but not to the same degree it hurts women. Patriarchy molds our preferences in p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 05:10 PM
1	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? Sure in that case unconditional love is bad	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 04:38 PM
1	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? When you understand what feminism is and means it is but most people don't so using the language without the understanding actually does a lot of harm to the movement. Why do you think so many men think feminists are crazy? They talked to one who didn't understand the difference between patriarchy and men then factor in all the manosphere shit purposefully trying to make them look crazy has succeed in poisoning the PR of the movment to a lot men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 04:21 PM
1	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? Often times because the language used to criticise patriarchy by the average "feminist" uses "patriarchy" and "men" interchangeably.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 03:20 PM
2	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? True. I'll copy something I said in another post. "This one of those things where there's a 1000 aspects to it so we could be here all day." Let's a partner falls ill and needs the other, the vulnerable partner needs the other while the same isn't true the other person. They could leave but don't and they don't abuse their position as the stronger partner. That is unconditional love. To love and care for them in consequence free environment when you could abuse your power. Good unconditional lov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 02:41 PM
2	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? Nuance. Water is healthy but too much will kill you Oxygen is needed but to much will kill you When you take anything to an extreme it's bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 01:46 PM
2	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? This one of those things where there's a 1000 aspects to it so we could be here all day. Dependency isn't love when it comes to the more vulnerable partner, it can only be tested when one person is in a stronger position but doesn't abuse it. Let's a partner falls ill and needs the other, the vulnerable partner needs the other while the same isn't true the other person. They could leave but don't and they don't abuse their position as the stronger partner. That is unconditional love. To love and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 01:45 PM
2	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? Unconditional love is nice because you know the person loves you and wouldn't run the moment you stop handing them things. As for me I have zero intention on abusing that love but it's nice to know if I am injured my partner won't just run. Conditional love says if you stop X then the relationship is over. It sounds cruel when you leave X open to interpretation but X could just mean "loving me". Unconditional love sounds pleasant but leave someone open to abuse. When you take both their literal …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 12:54 PM
3	Believing a 50/50 man will step up later isn’t just naive - it’s risky True. The way you worded it made it sound like your husband payed for everything (I assumed he made an average income) and you just refused to spend your own money on something as basic as electricity. My bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 03:52 PM
5	Believing a 50/50 man will step up later isn’t just naive - it’s risky God you should have started with that cause before you sounded entitled and refused to pay for anything just because you were a woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 03:41 PM
7	Believing a 50/50 man will step up later isn’t just naive - it’s risky Oh no I'm talking about your husband who unfortunately doesn't see that you won't have his back if he falls	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 03:26 PM
5	Believing a 50/50 man will step up later isn’t just naive - it’s risky People with a spine leave leaches to fend for themselves	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 03:00 PM
–	Believing a 50/50 man will step up later isn’t just naive - it’s risky Jesus fucking christ you sound toxic. I'd wager most people with a spine would have just left and got 50/50 custody.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 11:57 AM
1	Women arent conditioned to do everything they do by society Most comments to OP get lost in the sea but you always see the top comment so really it's just survivor bias.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:10 PM
0	Women arent conditioned to do everything they do by society Ultimately both are true, definitely there's some conditioning both biological and societal but it's up to you to break it and choose a better life. Men choose to end up ostracised by society or in prison. This is a touchy one cause that is how society treats you and at can heavily be out of your control depending on where you live for example being brown or black in the USA can land you in a concentration camp or shot through no fault of your own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 02:21 PM
–	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? This is a debate sub thinking is kinda the point	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 05:40 PM
–	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Usually people mark down what they've edited. There's a reason most messaging services and even reddit note when a comment had been edited. And honestly you give the vibes of someone who would be that petty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 05:35 PM
–	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Poem or some letter don’t even cost any money but you wouldn’t even think of it/say it in a first place. Why? Cause it costs TIME and is actually personificated towards this one woman. Like I said you aren’t doing that much. Nice edit Yes I have written poems for my girlfriend, I could send you one of them if you want proof 🙄	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 02:30 PM
1	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? It’s not my fault. It’s just men by default want the cheapiest way possible. So you'd accept less and not just leave? If someone doesn't meet your standards you should leave. They would not have me at all, that’s my standard. Well done you've taken some agency in your life. Don’t act like you’re doing so much, cause you buy flower, it’s pathetic. Again gave one example and you think that's all I do. Sure I'll give more examples now. When talk I listen to the stuff she likes and take notes for la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 08:40 AM
2	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Like men want flowers. Please. I would gladly give flowers. I would prefer it than doing a meals EVERY SINGLE DAY, caring for his clothes and looks, singing for him (Yes, that’s nothing new), saying compliments daily and „physical touch” (means sex) cause blow job etc it’s actually what men consider romantic. Then up your standards. Make it clear that you want 50/50 but don't be surprised if it means you find a man who wants you to take on some of his traditional roles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 08:10 AM
1	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Nice edit 😃😃😃 A man? 🤣🤣🤣 Boy, all you said is buying a flower. Don’t act like men do more in a relationship, that’s the joke for most of the normal people 😂😅 I gave flowers as a basic example because women get them often but men never get them. Men getting gifts, treats and effort early is special because we only experience it later in a relationship. Bespoke gifts and acts of service are wonderful but on a first date when you don't really know a person are kinda difficult to get. Sure we'd all …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:46 AM
2	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? I don't throw out women's concerns I'm just asking you don't throw out men's but if that's too much for you then you aren't ready for equality Edit: Also the times I do get flowers for a girl they would be her favourites and wouldn't be for a date but something random to brighten her day a little without being prompted	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:44 AM
2	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? You don’t have to feel safe with women, nothing’s gonna happen to you😂😂 . At worst you pay for dinner. Are you joking? Clearly you haven't had to deal with a crazy woman before... I want emotional and physical safety just like women I'm applying women's standards to them and notice how you're reacting like all the men who tell women to get over it	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:38 AM
1	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Nope 1 girl and I intend to fill the effort gap on the back end so I expect her to fill the gap on the front	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:32 AM
2	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? I don’t think you’re the type of men who would I consider romantic. Sorry. Wasn't trying to date you... The think is first move belongs to man- as generally speaking women are more attractive sex. Not even bother with that I’m not gonna feel much love towards a mam who shows me „you’re good for now” or wait as I „deserve” it. So basically you’re romantic- I feel safe and show happily my romantic side too You want them to show romance so they feel safe and men want the same so. This is a game of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:29 AM
2	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Men as a whole but women aren't dating the entire male population they're dating one guy and should date like he will fill that or they leave	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 06:40 AM
2	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Honestly women put more effort in the actual relationship (in general and on average) so I don’t think it’s that bad a deal for men And women have complained about the unpaid labour that they do. If men are going to step up and close that gap then women need to step up and fill the other gap. Besides even if men aren’t getting flowers bought for them don’t date people who don’t make you feel special - there are so many ways to be made to feel that way and most of them are free Oh yeah I complete…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 11:13 PM
3	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Some people just don't care about flowers but my main point was men are expected to build the relationship and often women only put in effort afterwards. Men's bar for romance is low because we don't get such treatment until the relationship is already established but women are accustomed to getting such treatment early. Women often want more out of men without giving the same back. The example of flowers is something men rarely get but women class it as low effort because it's something women a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 10:23 PM
1	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? Do you show the effort back? My complaint is that I'm expected to show effort but I don't the same back. Like no shit I'd like flowers, most men only get them we die the first and last time I got flowers was 10 years ago off my own mother.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 04:33 PM
2	Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative. The attraction to tall men isn't bad (unless you have an issue with men not being attracted +size women) but expectation of male gender roles while expecting female gender roles to be abolished is. You should be free to confrom or not to your hearts content but expecting others to confrom while you do not is hypocritical. Often things like men paying is seen as normal but from talking to many women on this sub (#not all women) asking to split the bill is seen as loser behaviour. That is expectin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 03:06 PM
2	Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative. Most people are a mess of contradictions. You desire tall men and want them to work for your attention but in practice that is traditional a gender role for men while you simultaneously hate traditional roles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 11:59 AM
2	I think that women highly value confidence and this puts men at a significant dating disadvantage. That's the issue there isn't a good way to see who is safe outside of taking it super slow. The moments where you see a person's character can't be forced outside of using heavy manipulation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:41 PM
3	I think that women highly value confidence and this puts men at a significant dating disadvantage. Yeah that literally what narcissism is, they project confidence because they're deeply insecure. What I'm saying is if you're looking for confidence you don't filter out narcissists thus using confidence as a filter for safety is flawed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:25 PM
9	I think that women highly value confidence and this puts men at a significant dating disadvantage. Narcissists tend to be confident and will likely abuse their partners for not feeding that ego. They will often demand the same behaviour as insecure men but will radiate confidence. Confidence is not a good metric for telling who is safe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:05 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Are you living in the 1930s? Are you living in the middle east where women can't work? Do you want equality? Do you simply not want to work and would rather be a stay at home wife?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 06:04 AM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Then don't have kids or don't take maternity leave. The corporations don't care about your personal life and if you make a personal decision that put you out of work that reflects badly on your career. Men usually don't get maternity leave so that decision doesn't reflect on men. If men got maternity leave then it would be the people who are either child free or didn't take maternity leave advancing in their careers. The company wants people who prioritise them for higher positions and if you ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 05:58 AM
1	A woman's "bare minimum" is never just the bare minimum No, hygiene is a question of do they shower while cleanliness is more a question of is the counter top clean and are there old clothes on the floor. There's obviously gonna be some crossover like when things start to get so bad it becomes a hygiene issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/26 12:39 PM
-5	A woman's "bare minimum" is never just the bare minimum Yeah that's the issue everyone has their own definitions and should work off the actual definitions off the wiki For me bare minimum would be someone who loves me and my personality while also being attractive enough. The relationship can work but won't be smooth sailing and probably would require semi frequent discussions about chores or annoying behaviour because I haven't filtered for those with bare minimum standards. When it stops being bare minimum for me is when you start filtering for an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/26 11:39 AM
-6	A woman's "bare minimum" is never just the bare minimum Both can be true at the same time. The bare minimum should be the bare minimum by definition and when you add things on top it stops being the bare minimum. When you go for the bare minimum your partner won't be perfect and will have flaws. Choosing better kinda implies not going for the bare minimum. Lastly men aren't a monolith and don't all agree just like women aren't a monolith. Different people have different standards so the guy complaining about the bare minimum probably isn't the same g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/26 09:50 AM
2	Men need to learn from women how to actually fight a culture war if they want to win It is a collective issue but unfortunately the victims have to work to change it because it won't change itself. Men won't change if women don't work to make men change. Again you are well within your rights to avoid men if you want to but then the problem doesn't go away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/26 08:33 AM
1	Men need to learn from women how to actually fight a culture war if they want to win I'm black so I could say why is my issue that I don't want to be murdered by cops. The cops are gonna be cops if I let them. I have to work to change the system so bad people don't get to be cops. It's the same with women. The victims need justice but the system is broken. The broken system won't fix itself, the patriarchy won't end itself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/26 08:30 AM
3	Men need to learn from women how to actually fight a culture war if they want to win The language used on the internet is very hostile and often leads little room for nuance, that's the the nature of the gender war. Stuff like "men don't respect women" doesn't leave much room for nuance when speaking to a stranger on the internet, you don't know them and if they mean it literally or actually mean most or some men don't respect women. This is where "not all men" comes from. Irl you know the person on the other side of the conversation so the whole nature of the conversation tends…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/26 08:25 AM
-4	Men need to learn from women how to actually fight a culture war if they want to win Talk to men without hostility and explain their fears without accusing men. What this would look like is a 1 on 1 chat with a younger man in their life where she systematically explains women's fears around men so said younger man doesn't become the man women have trouble with today. Culture moves at a slow pace so there's no way to fix things today you have to fix things for the next generation. Also you become his real world reference point and the manosphere grifters don't get their hooks in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/26 01:19 AM
3	Women suck at simping Yeah, she's clearly not interested so do both of you a favour and leave her alone and move on with your life. If she's playing hard to get then you're setting yourself up for a hard life where you have to constantly guess what she wants from you so it's better to leave her alone and move on. If she makes it clear she likes you back then it's just courting and stops being simping.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/26 01:12 AM
7	Most Lesbian or Bisexual women do NOT have more game than straight men. It is simply easier as a girl to date. Because maybe, just maybe there’s more to liking someone than how they look? Never said there wasn't Maybe, just maybe spending more time with someone reveals more about the person, good and bad? Never said it didn't If 3 days is all it takes for you that good. Some people can say it can take 1 day, others can say it can take a week or month. So what? Maybe use your words and talk about it with them instead of beating around the bush? If you don't know if the other person likes you after 3 days …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 08:29 AM
5	Most Lesbian or Bisexual women do NOT have more game than straight men. It is simply easier as a girl to date. 3 days feels excessive for "I don't know if I like you." Maybe it's my man brain or something but after you go on a 3 day date and are still wondering if someone likes you I'd either ask or stop worrying about it. No point beating around the bush and even if the answer is I don't know yet then I can stop worrying about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/26 07:00 PM
7	Most Lesbian or Bisexual women do NOT have more game than straight men. It is simply easier as a girl to date. Now I'm back to being confused no its more that basically every woman has been the victim of unwanted sexual advances so they know how terrible it feels and dont want to unwittingly perpetrate it I understand that aspect but then why not just ask? After 3 days in multiple locations and meeting friends and family feels like you should just come out and ask if you're still not sure at that point. Edit: even if the answer was "I don't know" you at least know where you stand and don't have to stress…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/26 06:07 PM
13	Most Lesbian or Bisexual women do NOT have more game than straight men. It is simply easier as a girl to date. I don't know whether to laugh or face palm right now... But I think I get it, they want to be the "woman" in the relationship and are afraid of being the "man." That actually explains why my butch friend was so popular 😂 It's just gender roles with extra steps.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/26 05:58 PM
8	Most Lesbian or Bisexual women do NOT have more game than straight men. It is simply easier as a girl to date. I've always wondered about that. My lesbian friends have described times like that and I just can't wrap my head around that. Why spend 3 days with someone, meet their family, friends and all the other stuff only to go home and wonder if you like them. Like if I spend 3 days with someone I'd know if I see a future with them by the end of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/26 05:44 PM
–	I just needed to put this out. Cool you could build your shelter get your food but still get taken out by 1 infection like 90% of our ancestors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/26 10:23 AM
–	I just needed to put this out. Oh god no that's my point. Sure I can build a motor but I can't mine the copper or forge the parts needed for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/26 10:18 AM
12	Men fail to understand that women want to be chosen, not settled for. As things are now men take what they can get, if you accept them then you are the best that they can get. You become their one and only option, the one they picked and the one they settled for at the same time. It sounds like what you want is a guy with options to pick you and only you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/26 06:04 AM
–	I just needed to put this out. Men and women rely of public infrastructure. Your whole job requires electricity and computers. Can you build a power plant? Can you farm? Can you build roads? Can you build a car? Mend a broken bone? Men and women rely on others for basic survival and guess what that's called civilisation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/26 05:57 AM
15	A vast chunk of pro-women takes on Reddit are actually just benevolent sexism. Bruh I can tell you've never had to deal with a psycho woman before. A psycho woman will weaponise society against you. That bruise she got while you defended yourself becomes evidence of domestic abuse, all the damage she did around the house becomes damage you did in a violent rage. You are capable of fighting her off but only to extent that she isn't hurt and there is no evidence of a struggle because all that evidence will be used against you. Ps. And if you get hurt by her because you reali…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 10:16 PM
5	"Men also only pursuing a small group of women” Is Projection From The Selectors. Yes and no. The option to stay single is there but only if you'd rather have nothing at all. Women would rather have nothing at all men would rather have something than nothing. This is the crux of the divide.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 10:09 PM
1	What are some gender norms/roles you dislike performing/being imposed on you? Can I get some examples you've personally had?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/26 05:15 PM
6	The fact that "No you're still centering men!" is such a common feminist response to extreme, intentionally misandrist rants by more radical feminists is a good item of evidence of how ingrained misandry is in feminism overall It's not about hating men It's about not living your life in service of men. It's the freedom to live your life apart from men. Hating men is going too far and misunderstands the meaning. Apathy is the goal of decentering, to live your life how you want and enjoy your personal freedom.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 09:39 AM
7	The fact that "No you're still centering men!" is such a common feminist response to extreme, intentionally misandrist rants by more radical feminists is a good item of evidence of how ingrained misandry is in feminism overall It's the bastardization of any ideology that happens whenever it becomes wide spread. Decentering the opposite sex means not giving a fuck about them, it doesn't matter if you want to please them or hurt them the fact they even occupy your thoughts and free time means you're still centering them. Said younger rad fem hasn't healed or understood the message, she's still angry and bitter so she literally can't decenter men in her current state.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 04:36 AM
-1	Most of the time men bring out serious complaints only to shut women up, which proves that they don't actually care It's another to bring up something that's not relevant only to win victim olympics (so far they lost) Again men and women do this consistently on this sub instead of engaging with a post. The typical example will be one person makes a statement and the response will be "(insert gender) does (insert negative behaviour)." The other lovley one I tend to see is "I'll care about (insert woe from OP) when (insert gender) stops (insert negative behaviour)." These doesn't engage with the post it just tr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/26 06:33 PM
1	Most of the time men bring out serious complaints only to shut women up, which proves that they don't actually care This is something men and women do on this sub consistently. People bring up the woes of their specific gender to play the oppression Olympics instead of engaging with the post. Men and women have it bad is radically different ways but bringing them up to shut down other people's discussion just makes you an asshole.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/26 06:13 PM
2	Why should women obey average men? Like with all statistics why is this? Figure out the why and you can solve the problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/26 07:51 AM
2	Sexism is bad, and “decentering” men and women leads to sexist echo chambers. Soooo you agree with me? Men and women need to decenter the opposite sex	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 05:51 PM
2	Sexism is bad, and “decentering” men and women leads to sexist echo chambers. I already admitted that men decenter women during sex what more do you want? When men talk about dating woes they talk about how they can't even get to the dating stage. The men who need this advice aren't the same men women have trouble with. Women need to be more assertive during sex and prioritise themselves during it. At the same time women need to know what they want from their partner and express that. At the same time men need to listen and take their partner's wants on board.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 05:47 PM
4	Sexism is bad, and “decentering” men and women leads to sexist echo chambers. Not really Men are desperate for female attention, the whole manosphere is made up of men who can't get it. Literally some of those same dudes go on a rampage because they can't get it, that's not decentering that's caring so much you don't even care about your own life. Men will go into the gym because they want female attention, men will dress for female attention, men will literally change their whole personality for female attention, that is desperation. Sure during sex men often decenter wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 05:31 PM
4	Do you believe that loneliness in men is pathologized in society(Obsession(2026) spoilers ahead)? Bro you're acting like you're above it all but last time I checked you're still here	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 08:37 AM
3	Do you believe that loneliness in men is pathologized in society(Obsession(2026) spoilers ahead)? "Berate is a verb that means to scold, lecture, or criticize someone in a harsh, angry, or prolonged manner" Say calling him out if you wish but the result is the same, call out an asshole but support your friend when they're not being an asshole.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 12:57 AM
5	Do you believe that loneliness in men is pathologized in society(Obsession(2026) spoilers ahead)? Again there's a difference. Support someone who's struggling but berate an asshole. If someone is struggling you help them but if they're being an asshole about it then you're well within your rights to berate them. There's a difference and you've got to take each by a case by case basis otherwise you push someone who could have been saved deeper into the rabbit hole and you end up validating an asshole's feelings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 11:56 PM
–	Does Saying “Women Don’t Need Men Anymore” Imply That Men Were Mainly Valued for Providing Resources? Men don't need a purpose but the need to be taught to live for themselves. Feminism taught women to love themselves and their freedom, it fought for women to be able to do the same things men could the issue for men is that men used those things as a crutch. As women have said before on this sub reddit "being nice is the bare minimum" and since men have to be selected by women men need something more than being nice. Men need something that women want or they can walk away. Currently men have no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 09:48 PM
5	Sexism is bad, and “decentering” men and women leads to sexist echo chambers. Well in most situations the truth is literally somewhere in the middle. Men aren't all bad and women aren't all bad the gender war just highlights the worst of both and paints everyone with the same brush so yeah the nuance needs to be said because people forget it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 08:47 PM
2	Sexism is bad, and “decentering” men and women leads to sexist echo chambers. Ok your point being?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 08:31 PM
–	Does Saying “Women Don’t Need Men Anymore” Imply That Men Were Mainly Valued for Providing Resources? The issue is those men are still around. They are our father and grandfathers, they teach us what being a man is all about but their world is gone. How many times has an older person told you to take a CV and hand it to someone irl instead of responding to a job posting? In their times that would have worked but now it's just annoying. The older men teach the younger men how their world worked so now the younger men try to get that world back.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 08:08 PM
–	Does Saying “Women Don’t Need Men Anymore” Imply That Men Were Mainly Valued for Providing Resources? Remember that culture moves at a snail's pace and women have spent the last 100+ years getting where they are now, men are effectively starting from scratch so it's gonna be a good while. The entire male identity for the past few millennia was built on being strong to provide for women (regardless of how often the individual man became that) so we've lost our purpose and have to find a new one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 07:47 PM
2	Sexism is bad, and “decentering” men and women leads to sexist echo chambers. I think this narrative has been peddled to people that if they were more self interested and less susceptible to outside influence, their lives would be better. I disagree with that. I think it’s normal to care what people think about you, and that decentering is typically used to convince people to reject the idea of considering other people’s perspective. It is normal to care what people but again it requires moderation. You should care that you smell bad or that you've got a stain on your shi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 07:42 PM
20	Sexism is bad, and “decentering” men and women leads to sexist echo chambers. Like with most things it requires moderation. Decentering the opposite sex means you stop living your life trying to be what they think you should be. Men should decenter women and women should decenter men but both should be civil to each other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 07:13 PM
6	Do you think women are partnering with men less because they are being influenced/brainwashed my feminism now. Or do you think the reason women overwhelmingly partnered with men in the past was because they were influenced/brainwashed by traditional culture? A bit of both. The culture has shifted and now being a mother is seen as a bad deal. It kinda is because the current version of society we have was made by men for men and women need extra allowances if they're gonna have it all. For example the wage gap, it's not men getting paid more because they're men it's men getting paid more than mothers who took maternity leave. If a woman wants kids and not earn less despite being employed the same time as other men she has to work through it if she wan…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 01:56 PM
2	Do you believe that loneliness in men is pathologized in society(Obsession(2026) spoilers ahead)? Yes and no. When someone is struggling you should support them not berate them. If the guy is being an asshole then sure berate them because they're being an asshole.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 07:57 AM
3	Do you believe that loneliness in men is pathologized in society(Obsession(2026) spoilers ahead)? There's a line between venting and hate speech. Personally I think the path forward is to get men to date how women do. Look for the perfect partner and not budge for anything while being content to live a single life if you don't get it. It's a lot easier said then done though. I think most men fall into red pill in their teens. They're seeking advice on what women want because being nice isn't enough but only the red pill say anything different when young men go looking. The conspiracy theory …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/26 09:43 PM
4	Do you believe that loneliness in men is pathologized in society(Obsession(2026) spoilers ahead)? Furthermore, men need to support other men more, and sometimes that means being the good friend who's gonna call a spade a spade and tell a friend when he's being a whiny bitch so he snaps out of it and does something about it instead of complaining endlessly. My one issue with is this your phrasing. You're effectively saying men should tell other men to man up and stop being little bitches. That's just gonna get men to continue pushing our feelings down rather than actually dealing with them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/26 09:26 PM
1	How do we create a world where everyone doesn’t hate each other Hate still existed but social media gave everyone a megaphone with no rules. Edit: changed internet to social media	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/26 09:43 AM
1	How does feminism fight "the redpill"? When it comes to approaching I think me shouldn't cold approach at all and stop giving random women attention wanted or unwanted. Warm approach or don't approach at all. Women make it easy if they like you and they only get to liking you if they know you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/26 01:05 PM
3	How does feminism fight "the redpill"? Have you tried, like genuinely sat down and explained it to them one on one? Not group sessions where you've got a class of 30 students but talking to 1 specific young man. Cause I listened. My female friend explained this to me when we were 18 and it was eye opening. I learned about shit I'd never thought of, stuff that all classes never covered or were too scared to cover. 1 on 1 the atmosphere changes it's not some vague rapist women are talking about, one on one she's talking to you. It's no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/26 10:51 AM
6	How does feminism fight "the redpill"? Redpill believes in male superiority over women, that’s why they hate feminism, women “fight” the redpill on a daily basis by just living their lives how they want instead of being told to by a man So you fight the symptoms not the problem. The problem is men growing up without an understanding of the female perspective thus acting in ways our fathers and grandfathers did. Women fear men and men don't understand that. When someone gets angry about something you never had to face your base respon…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/26 06:02 AM
6	How does feminism fight "the redpill"? Well it exists to counter harm against women and the red pill to alt right pipeline is a thing so doing something about that would really help women in the long run. Women have a problem with men's behaviour? Fix men's behaviour and the problem goes away. A super basic thing any woman can do is talk to the younger men in their life and explain women's fears to them so they understand before reaching the age when they become part of the problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/26 05:07 AM
0	Artificial wombs will displace female hierarchy In the bad end yeah. My logic is the powers at be hate women so being that they wouldn't really need women anymore it becomes a question of why not. Trump is already rolling back women's rights but still needs women to have babies, artificial wombs remove the need for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/26 04:37 PM
1	Artificial wombs will displace female hierarchy Yes and no there's a lot that would come out of it both good and bad What I'll call the good ending where women don't have to go through pregnancy and labour and thus can truly be free from their gender roles and thus the dynamic between men and women should change because there would be almost no differences between men and women anymore. What I'll call the bad ending is women become discount men. Men keep their physical value to the patriarchy but suddenly women have lost their's leading to th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/26 04:11 PM
–	If you’re a guy, and you’re fit, well-groomed, well-dressed, have a job and are mentally stable… you’re average. And the faster you understand that, the easier things will be. So they have tik tok brain? Their view of reality isn't aligned with actual reality so it seems like they're the problem but I doubt that's what you were going for...	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/26 01:42 PM
–	If you’re a guy, and you’re fit, well-groomed, well-dressed, have a job and are mentally stable… you’re average. And the faster you understand that, the easier things will be. I assure you more men have mental health/gambling/drug/alcohol/smoking problems than women do. I totally believe you but what well adjusted woman what's that in a partner? Who wants that in a partner? The dark truth is mental health problems do stop you from being a catch.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/26 01:36 PM
1	🔵BP/Feminism pushes for equality in all aspects of society, EXCEPT dating, (where it arguably matters the most), shows that its destructive for society I'm not really complaining I'm just stating a fact. If said women want a man who is progressive then they have to make politics more than just who you vote for. They can date who they want, I'm not interested in them and I filter out people who say one thing then do another.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/26 01:34 PM
0	🔵BP/Feminism pushes for equality in all aspects of society, EXCEPT dating, (where it arguably matters the most), shows that its destructive for society There's certainly things we can do to make dating more fair but that generally comes down to gender expectations and work life balance. A lot of people still hold outdated views when it comes to their partners and what their roles should be throughout the relationship and that leads to a miss match of values and effort both perceived and real. Work life balance is a major factor later in the relationship especially once kids are on the way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/26 10:42 AM
–	I genuinely think men’s preferences and standards are shamed I literally said shaming people into compliance is wrong where the fuck did I say men can't be at fault for this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/05/26 07:54 AM
–	I genuinely think men’s preferences and standards are shamed If someone does end up someone they're not attracted to because of the shame then that's wrong. They got shamed into compliance and that's wrong. It happens all the time in other cultures because social capital is so important over there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/26 11:08 PM
–	I genuinely think men’s preferences and standards are shamed Never said anything about dating them. You can and should have your preferences and at the same time shouldn't be shamed for having them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/26 10:59 PM
–	I genuinely think men’s preferences and standards are shamed We do and it's still wrong and we shame the people shaming women. We don't shame the people shaming men for having standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/26 10:54 PM
–	I genuinely think men’s preferences and standards are shamed It's not about the hard enforcement but the soft enforcement, the social pressures when a guy is open about what he wants and is shamed back into silence. Women are encouraged to know what they want and not accept any less but men are told they're intimidated or weak if they do the same. Shaming people for having standards is the problem. If you think that shame can't force people into compliance then go read a history book on literally any time period.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/26 10:45 PM
0	Why do you ask your Partner to do Sex Acts she Does not Like? I find there's few men (who I associate with) who are like that. Having done something with a pervious partner while having no interest or down right revulsion to the act is one thing but what most men talk about is when she likes something talks about liking something from previous experience but is hesitant to do it with you. The typical example is having sex early. She got a vibe from a guy and liked it so she had sex but then not getting a similar vibe from another guy is a sign that you don…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/26 09:29 PM
–	Women, what are your dating issues? Funnily enough these are the same complaints I have about women's profiles. Zero personality or hobbies just some witty copy paste jokes or a fact about otters holding hands.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/26 05:23 PM
–	Women, what are your dating issues? You're worried about men kidnapping you but you don't want to take precautions against it... If a girl doesn't want to get it my car early on I get that but I'm not trying to kidnap anyone so her taking precautions is actually a green flag in my book. The men complaining are the ones you need to worry about. Yeah it feels like shit if a someone treats you like a threat but from my perspective getting mad about it just proves them right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/26 04:47 PM
–	Q4W: Why do doctors and medical staff take women’s ailments less seriously? From the company's perspective why buy the gear if it's gonna sit around until women show up. At my company we hired a woman and it forced the company to buy all new equipment. Corporations won't change, you have to force them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/26 11:07 AM
3	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things So women have better and more fulfilling friendships and are still just as lonely as men? Genuinely curious on this because women often say male loneliness can be cured by having deeper friendships but if women are just as lonely then that's clearly not true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 11:16 PM
1	Many women want a man who is "generous" without being generous themselves. Depends where you live but many countries do uphold them assuming nothing illegal has been signed. Best to legal council when doing them anyways just so you know everything is above board.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 12:39 PM
1	Many women want a man who is "generous" without being generous themselves. Then get a premarital agreement that even if the relationship breaks down XYZ will still be given/withheld. If your partner doesn't want to sign then you weren't right for each other anyways. Men and women have options and simply leaving is one of them but would rather moan about the opposite sex instead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 12:37 PM
1	Defending women at all costs isn't protecting women,it's setting them up for when accountability catches up Sex sells period, it's all about the form. Romance books are popular for women for a reason, it's just that the version of sex that they sell is more at peeling to women. This isn't even mentioning women's sex toys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 11:07 PM
12	Men need to start leaving women alone. Ok so what does working for it look like to you? I ask because when someone says "work for it" it sound less like having a fun date where you get to know someone and more like an interview for a job. It's less getting to know someone and seeing if they're a match and more testing them repeatedly while waiting for a slip up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 10:48 AM
2	Men need to start leaving women alone. I have no arguments with this	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 10:40 AM
6	Men need to start leaving women alone. Again I'm curious. You want someone to work for it but if a guy is willing to bend over backwards if you show no or little interest doesn't that just come off as desperate? Let's say there's a guy you like and he makes you work for his attention and gives little in return wouldn't you just leave? If the answer is you want a guy to be desperate for you alone then how do you filter out the guys who are desperate in general?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 10:07 AM
3	If there was a button flipping the dating dynamics for Men and Woman would you press it? Not just men but women too. People went to jail for their rights because the man didn't want to budge. That isn't something we see anymore. Hell the man got so pissed they started shooting. That's when you know you're winning. The Muslim women fighting for their rights face death or worse. They have the fire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 02:01 PM
5	If there was a button flipping the dating dynamics for Men and Woman would you press it? Lady I'm black, I know about struggle and what I see from the average white woman isn't rebellion. There's no fire or drive to do better because the man has his boot on your throat. What I see is either resignation or hope that they'll be spared. When a woman has that fire it's often directionless, it goes after every man who walks by and not the ones with their own private island. Hell it doesn't even go after the women selling out their sisters for crumbs. Big marches get people fired up but t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 01:54 PM
6	If there was a button flipping the dating dynamics for Men and Woman would you press it? I thought feminism was more popular than it was until I looked deeper and realised most women don't really care until it hurts them personally. By personally I mean when they end up in the situation actual feminists warned them about. Most women just pay lip service to feminism but haven't internalised or understood the message.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 12:06 PM
2	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. With every situation there's obviously nuance and that does get lost all too often in the gender war. I think sharing a story is fine so long as you link it back to the main topic at the end.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 11:03 AM
1	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. That is also true. Women didn't start this mess but it's the mess we're in right now. All I can say for sure is derailing conversations doesn't help fix the mess but only makes it worse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 10:56 AM
4	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. Correct both men and women hijack each other's conversations, they think if I can't have my way (because they previously got wronged by someone) then nobody can.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 09:58 AM
–	young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol. Jim the McDonald's cashier is not a member of the patriarchy. Sure he might get some trickle down benefits but he is a cog in the machine like the other 99% of men. The men who designed it aren't even aware Jim exist and if Jim died the world would keep moving. Yelling at Jim does nothing to stop the pedophile president but yelling at him might get him to personally hate you and the people you associate with. How do you get Jim to take action against the pedophile president? First stop blaming h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 04:39 PM
7	Men in general unable to tale criticism. As I've said before on this sub, women spoke out against men's beauty standards for them and now we're seeing men do the same. Edit: on top of that women are reacting as badly as men did when they spoke out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 02:47 PM
4	“Women can’t handle the truth” is manspeak for men not being able to handle incompatibility or not being able to handle valid reactions to his wrongdoing People in general have a hard time accepting they can be wrong because we see things only from our perspective and perspectives similar to ours. Take religion for example, you've got billions of people believing they're right and they react badly whenever evidence is brought up against theirs. Going back to gender women have struggles that most men are never made aware of until they speak to a woman who explains it but that doesn't mean men have no problems either. Edit: spelling	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 11:58 AM
1	Do you think BDSM is healthy/fair, either in the context of the bedroom or as a lifestyle, why or why not? Got a percentage or are we going off vibes?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 07:27 AM
1	Do you think BDSM is healthy/fair, either in the context of the bedroom or as a lifestyle, why or why not? "I think as a woman, I make so many decisions all day. And get decision fatigue. And same with men and dating cuz they are constantly asking for your input and constantly asking for your opinion and asking you to make a decision about literally everything" You make it sound like you'd rather not have those decisions...	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 11:52 PM
–	MEN DO NOT NEED WOMEN "This whole "men don't need women" thing is monkey dancing." Yes and no. People have to find someone compatible with them so decentering the opposite sex is good. It means you focus on yourself and being happy without a partner that way you know if a person adds to your life or not. Men and women shouldn't monkey dance but should want to make their partner happy. In my book you cross the line when making your partner happy takes away from your happiness and currently so many men are willing to b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 05:05 PM
1	Objectification is acted by the viewer, not the viewed This is the nuance required for such a topic. Women should have agency during sex so that part of the sexual revolution was good but the idolisation of sex that came with it wasn't. Now women feel pressured to lose their virginity just like men are but at young ages the wisdom required to navigate the world safely wasn't be acquired. Sex work shouldn't be shamed but it shouldn't be paised either, the reality of it should be explained with clinical detail. If that results in women engaging with i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 12:45 PM
1	Objectification is acted by the viewer, not the viewed While that's true being labeled a bad sex object means the guys trying to objectify her aren't getting what they want from her and try to neg her into changing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 12:27 PM
1	Objectification is acted by the viewer, not the viewed It's all about your frame of mind when viewing sex. Using sex to market your talent can be a useful tool but it runs the risk of your sex appeal becoming the only thing people care about. Studios know that sex sells so they'll tap that well until it's dry and women end up being objectified along the way. Reclaiming women’s sexuality was the goal of the sexual revolution but in practice it just allowed men easier access to women’s bodies but called it feminism. It's a razor thin line but once a w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 12:05 PM
–	What do you believe is the effort you make in your relationship(s). What value do you think you add to the man in your life? Is it comparable to what your spouse brings to the relationship? I meant luck as in your paths crossed in the first place rather than seeking a person with each other's qualities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 05:09 PM
–	What do you believe is the effort you make in your relationship(s). What value do you think you add to the man in your life? Is it comparable to what your spouse brings to the relationship? This is what I mean. There was no effort into getting a relationship it just happened. You both fell into each other's lap, it was all luck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 11:19 AM
–	What do you believe is the effort you make in your relationship(s). What value do you think you add to the man in your life? Is it comparable to what your spouse brings to the relationship? This I get. They didn't look for a partner or really date around but someone basically fell into their lap. The only issue I can foresee with this if men also acted like that is almost nobody would date since men wouldn't approach anywhere near the same degree and women are already reluctant to make the first move even if they like a guy. However those few relationships would likely be better than most relationships today.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 12:36 AM
–	What do you believe is the effort you make in your relationship(s). What value do you think you add to the man in your life? Is it comparable to what your spouse brings to the relationship? I'm gonna nit pick your language for a bit When you say respects your peace, what does that look like to you? What does enriching your life look like to you? I ask because being fulfilled while single should mean you aren't looking for any of this because you have it already so why enter the trenches of dating if you are already satisfied?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 09:29 PM
–	What do you believe is the effort you make in your relationship(s). What value do you think you add to the man in your life? Is it comparable to what your spouse brings to the relationship? You won't have any arguments about the last paragraph but I'm still curious. Would you say you are fulfilled without a partner?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 08:45 PM
–	What do you believe is the effort you make in your relationship(s). What value do you think you add to the man in your life? Is it comparable to what your spouse brings to the relationship? This is the same conclusion I came to. The people who are happy single aren't the ones complaining about dating, they are mgtow and 4b people who just disappeared without fanfare while everyone else isn't fulfilled because they're missing something they value. From my pov women definitely are more fulfilled than men but still have skin in the game despite what they say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 08:23 PM
–	What do you believe is the effort you make in your relationship(s). What value do you think you add to the man in your life? Is it comparable to what your spouse brings to the relationship? I always curious about this because the only reason to pursue a relationship is the relationship itself. A person fulfilled in life has no need for it and honestly letting said partner into your life will bring it's own headaches so why not be single forever. Men are lonely, both for physical intimacy and emotional intimacy so they look for a partner to fulfill those needs but if you don't have those longings then why even get a partner? I guess what I'm trying to say is women who are happy bein…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 08:06 PM
4	Why do men accuse women of having high standards, then the same men proceed to shame women for marrying guys they aren't attracted to? Oh you poor sweet summer child. Culture has a huge impact on attraction it's just that you don't notice it because you think it's normal. I'll use India as an example. Being lighter skinned is seen as beautiful but does that mean that darker skin is universally unappealing? No it's a hold over from India's caste system combined with colonialism leading to darker skin being seen as ugly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 06:19 AM
–	Red pill men: does a woman's virginity/sexual past matter to you and if so why? Oh yeah it's flimsy and a double standard but the reverse is also a double standard. Men being virgins is seen as a fault with the man while women being virgins isn't. It's double standards all the way down until people stop caring about sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 11:49 AM
–	Red pill men: does a woman's virginity/sexual past matter to you and if so why? That's definitely a possibility, the logic doesn't account for every possible male vs female interaction but is kind of a baseline and the baseline is women have to put themselves at risk to sleep with men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 10:26 AM
–	Red pill men: does a woman's virginity/sexual past matter to you and if so why? I don't totally agree with him but I'll explain the logic. A guy who's got hobbies, is social and is confident while also being attractive to will meet many many women overtime and some of them will want to sleep with him and since men don't really have that much risk when it comes to casual sex he's got no reason to turn them down. A woman with a high body count is repeatedly putting herself at risk for a cheap thrill that or she thought all the men she slept with were the one so she's either n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 09:21 AM
–	Men often look for a stable relationship in order to have a regular sex life. It really depends on the couple. Some couples know how to communicate their desires to each other and are willing to make accommodations to please their partner. The ones with a dead bedroom in my eyes are the ones that don't know how to properly communicate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 02:55 PM
–	Madonna Whore Complex: Sex vs BJs If we really had it he'd seek sex from other women or not be after sex at all and then you could make a case for him going to get help. I'd need to know about how he behaves during sex before coming to any solid conclusions but right now it sounds like he's selfish and you should really get out of that relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 01:00 AM
2	“Men would love to be sexually objectified” We do but the only issue is society makes sex out to be such a big deal. It's like everyone talking about a new drink then people wondering why you'd make such a big deal over not getting to trying it. From the moment you become an adult people silently judge men based on how much sex they've had. No sex means there's something wrong with you but the same goes for too much. Factor in that most women have weird feelings about teaching their man how to please them and a lot of parents making getti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 07:57 PM
3	“Men would love to be sexually objectified” This goes back to how men's and women's sexuality are treated. For men, sex is used as a conquest or a prize/reward. The more women who are willing to sleep with him then the more desirable he is, a guy who repeatedly fails to gain attention from women is seen as a loser. Incel literally means involuntarily celibate and it's an insult to men because it says nobody loves you and you're so bad nobody even wants to hook up with you. So for men being seen as a sex object would be fantastic, other me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 04:16 PM
7	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility If you look at east asia women are quitting too. Those counties basically speed ran entire 20th century and are a great indicator of how the west might turn out. Women there still have their friendships but have entered the same pessimistic view of life men have. People can't afford housing or the cost of raising kids let alone save enough to retire so what's the point in even joining the rat race. Misogyny is still all too common but the economy was the straw that broke the camel's back.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 11:53 AM
1	Men (and society) want tangible value from women but are mad that women want tangible value too Lady you've got issues and probably some unresolved trauma. I don't know what happened to you but I hope you manage to heal from it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/26 09:01 PM
5	Men are less sympathetic because they more readily display antisocial traits I mean if we're going with the idea that the sins of past generations can be blamed on the current generation rather than judging each individual based on their actions then let's be honest here, nobody is coming out of that clean.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/26 08:23 PM
4	Men (and society) want tangible value from women but are mad that women want tangible value too I think a better mind set is to not value the sex itself but rather the personality. Do things because you like them and if a woman comes along who vibes with you then become a couple. Decenter the opposite sex instead of contorting yourself into something a stranger finds valuable since focusing on finding validation from strangers often leads to problems down the line.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/26 01:09 AM
3	Women Keep Bringing Up Rape to Shut Down Male Concerns Often times abusers are from broken homes. Doesn't make abusing other alright but that's reason behind it for some people. Get them help at a young age so they can be a functional adult before anything happens and you stop the cycle instead of just punishing the perpetrators and helping the survivors. As for sexual assault and rape specifically I personally don't have enough information on that. But looking at South Africa and the culture there it's just seen as normal by some men there. Change …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 10:30 PM
3	Women Keep Bringing Up Rape to Shut Down Male Concerns Guys like that misunderstand human nature. Society was made because surviving was easier if everyone helped each other so breaking the social contract of we don't fuck with each other leads to punishment (unless you're rich). If everyone was completely unrestrained then society would just collapse. No tv, no cars, no food, no clothes, no water unless you made it yourself. People often turn to crime because participating in polite society isn't sustainable for their survival. Make participating i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 10:20 PM
2	Women Keep Bringing Up Rape to Shut Down Male Concerns I the divide in the discussion is mainly on how women talk about men. Often times men are treated like a monolith and that doesn't help solve the problem. We should be specific when targeting any large group so we don't end up treating them all like a monolith. The basic reaction when anyone says something inflammatory about a group made up many different people with different backgrounds and ideologies is to get defensive. It's like saying black people commit most of the crimes. While true that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 09:42 PM
16	Women Keep Bringing Up Rape to Shut Down Male Concerns That mind set is the main issue driving the gender war. You feel wronged by one man then get angry when another man wants to discuss a serious topic and feel like you have a right to derail the conversation. Women have suffered at the hands of men but treating any group like a monolith just makes you a part of the problem and continues a cycle of hate. If the second man acted like you then he'd feel like he's got a right to derail women's conversations because he got wronged by a woman and the c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 06:56 PM
3	Failed approaching in friends/hobby/work circle poisons this circle I don't expect anything from strangers But yes men's dating habits need to change and more of us need to grow a spine and hold women to the same standards they hold us.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 03:28 PM
3	Failed approaching in friends/hobby/work circle poisons this circle Let's assume for the sake of the argument you didn't marry the first guy you dated. Did you find those other men attractive? Never said you need to find most men attractive, just that the number of women that men find attributes find attractive is a lot higher than the number of men women find attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 03:01 PM
7	Failed approaching in friends/hobby/work circle poisons this circle A long time ago a guy told me approaching women is like approaching a deer in the wild. It completely recontextualised my understanding of male female dynamics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 02:56 PM
3	Failed approaching in friends/hobby/work circle poisons this circle What you're not understanding is men's bar is a lot lower than women's so while he does like the woman number of women who reach that category are a lot higher than the average woman who tend to find most men unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 02:47 PM
3	Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad. Depends if it gets out of hand. Losing weight and gaining muscle along with money is one thing but last I heard cases in young men having body dismorphia are rising so that might be an indicator of something larger. If everyone chases the best version of themselves many will lose sight of happiness because they think improvement will bring happiness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 09:13 PM
1	CMV: Women's typical dating advice is not purposed with genuinely helping guys find solutions, but rather subconscious privilege-guarding In real life I'd assume so but this is a debate sub so if someone isn't able to defend their position properly then I must assume they can't articulate it properly or simply refuse to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 08:33 PM
2	CMV: Women's typical dating advice is not purposed with genuinely helping guys find solutions, but rather subconscious privilege-guarding "Do you think "self-awareness" means you must be able to logically trace and explain every single feeling you ever have? "Self-awareness" means you never ever have "vibes?"" Not every single time but enough to get a good understanding of yourself. What are vibes? Vibes are feelings and you get a feeling for a reason, the question is why. If someone makes you uncomfortable there's a reason behind it and the reason isn't always logical or socially justifiable but it's there and that's what self aw…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 08:31 PM
2	CMV: Women's typical dating advice is not purposed with genuinely helping guys find solutions, but rather subconscious privilege-guarding Something like spark/chemistry is literally entirely feeling based, So this is where self awareness comes in. Why do you feel this way around this particular person? Is it healthy? Is it toxic? Is it unique to them or can someone else replicate it? So you and all the other men saying it doesn't exist or insisting that women should be able to objectively define it to you is a completely incoherent request. Again self awareness. Can you pick apart your own mind and figure out why you do the things…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 10:52 AM
2	CMV: Women's typical dating advice is not purposed with genuinely helping guys find solutions, but rather subconscious privilege-guarding Didn't say she's impaired in anyway just that she's not aware of what she wants. Self awareness is a core part of emotional intelligence. Knowing why you feel the way you feel and do the things you do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 10:27 AM
5	CMV: Women's typical dating advice is not purposed with genuinely helping guys find solutions, but rather subconscious privilege-guarding Yeah but they can't define the spark so it just seems random. I've seen women on this sub say they've rejected a guy who was good on paper but didn't have the spark. So to me that reads as something beyond her own understanding because she can't define it in her own words and has to resort to vague terminology. She's not lying but just isn't aware of what she's actually looking for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 09:40 AM
–	Men have nothing to complain about in dating I agree with you up to a point. Men's biggest complaint is being invisible not getting rejected. Most men complain that they can't even get to the dating stage while women complain that the men they date a terrible. The comparison has been made that women are looking for clean water in a swamp while men are looking for water in a desert. The obvious solution is women should look for different kinds of men if the ones they like are terrible and men should try and make themselves stand out more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/26 09:49 AM
2	Why do you think women should change anything when they are not the ones complaining about dating? Everyone is struggling right now and in vastly different ways. While there a some things men and women can agree on the specific gendered issues seem like they're non existent until you've lived as that gender. I always remember this one documentary about a woman who lived as man for a while. She realised how poorly most women treated men and how poorly most men treated each other. She understood that most men aren't malicious but quietly suffering while having the lived experience of a woman an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/26 08:13 PM
3	Why do you think women should change anything when they are not the ones complaining about dating? Our planet can not support our numbers, we need to cut down. Oh it totally can but people don't want to lose their luxuries that require the exploitation of 3rd world countries to gain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/26 11:54 AM
5	2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction. When a lot of women say men have the power they lump Jim the McDonald's cashier in with the pedophile president then expect men not to correct them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/26 01:46 PM
2	Q4W: Do you actually pursue men you like? Then I'm sorry you had a rough go at dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 07:50 PM
2	Q4W: Do you actually pursue men you like? And the men you've dated haven't done the same for you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 07:39 PM
6	Q4W: Do you actually pursue men you like? Princess treatment or your own personal high standards. What do you do that deserves such treatment that men don't?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 07:30 PM
8	Q4W: Do you actually pursue men you like? So pray tell, what do you do that deserves such treatment?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 07:08 PM
0	Could artifitial wombs technology bring more drawbacks for women lives than advantages? Having a career often requires sacrificing your home life. If you want to be the high earning person it often requires working longer hours thus spending less time with children or family or friends. Managing all 3 basically means you have no sleep, there's simply not enough hours in the day. Women want to spend time with their children and have a career while men know a career means sacrificing something. In this case it's not sexist but pure capitalism at play.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 10:56 PM
2	Aside from it being morally wrong, there’s no logical reason to be against recognizing the pay gap between genders What you're missing is the oblivious solution that no employer would want. Give men maternity leave and suddenly men carry the same risk a women. That or take women's maternity leave and again women carry the same risk as men although the powers at be would rather have this solution. Edit: Gender equality requires that everyone is treated the same and giving allowances because of biological differences leads to cases like this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 09:08 PM
20	"Misandry is a response to misogyny" is complete BS, and here's proof Both misogyny and misandry are terrible and women or men can say I'm just responding to the hatred but what does all the name calling actually achieve? Each time a young man or woman sees these comments they get pushed towards one of the extremes while they haven't done anything. They feel wronged and if they lash out they become part of the problem. It's a cycle of hate caused by a few people and they simply don't care about any of the damage they've caused. The moment you jump into the mud wit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 06:31 PM
3	"Misandry is a response to misogyny" is complete BS, and here's proof Hatred breeds hatred and throwing shit at each other does nothing but distract us while a fucking pedophile is in the white house.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 06:25 PM
5	Do you think that women have responsive desire? They can get the safety and reassurance on said dates but I personally make them low effort to filter out the women who want me as an ATM. What I want is to know that she like me and my personality and if her liking me takes grand gestures then she's not after my personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 02:09 PM
5	Do you think that women have responsive desire? The whole process would be everything from the initial flirting to several high effort dates and gifts. If a girl only feels attraction after a guy has broke his back to please her in my mind she doesn't like his personality or his appearance but values his effort and likely wouldn't be alright with him once the mundane reality of living together begins. It's like if a guy doesn't like a woman's personality but the sex he gets from her. Without the sex his interest in her would be nonexistent. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 12:59 PM
4	Do you think that women have responsive desire? To a degree I think women do but I think the main point of contention for me at least is how much of the game a man has to play before she is attracted. If a man has to go through the whole process before she even feels the slightest attraction then I think she's not attracted to him but the effort he gives her but if after some interactions where he's not trying to put in maximum effort she does like him then she does actually like him. Obviously demi sexual people exist but they are consistent…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 12:37 PM
–	People need to blame women more While I do agree with a lot of this the solution isn't to blame women but to hold women to the same standards they hold men. Men shouldn't accept being treated like an ATM or a jester to earn a woman's affection and if that means being single then so be it. If she was only interested after you poured tons of time, effort and money into her then she was never interested in you but what you gave her. Do your thing, live your life, decenter women and if she wants you for you then she'll be happy to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/26 11:30 PM
1	A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles. I mean yeah, it's basically patriarchal propaganda with a side of feminism to trick women into thinking it's empowering. It only has to drown out hardcore feminist ideals to be a success and drive hostility. Edit: Once the ball gets rolling it becomes a feedback loop of outrage coming from men and women throwing mud at each other while the billionaires trash the world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/26 10:31 PM
1	There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the Contrary We shouldn't allow such behaviour outside of controlled environments like this. Women get hurt by such posts and even if this particular example doesn't lead to real world consequences it contributes to the toxicity online which then trickles down into how people act in real life. Engaging in the same mud slinging doesn't contribute anything but more animosity. Edit: spelling	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/26 11:45 AM
6	Dating for straight men is entirely TOO MUCH WORK Women would rather be single then in a relationship they aren't happy with and men have to do the same. If she likes you then she'll make it easy and if she only likes you after spending tons of money and effort then she likes the effort and money and not you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/26 08:55 AM
2	There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the Contrary I think you're missing the point here. While misandry tends not to have the same real world consequences, I find engaging in mud slinging just drags you down to the same level as your abuser especially on public forums or in comment sections where you have no idea who will see what you've said. Anytime a young man or woman who's new to the world sees those comments they get pushed towards one of the extremes. Overtime people lose sight that the goal is to end prejudice because hurting someone el…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/26 03:17 AM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you How would you ever even know that’s much about the sexual history of someone you just met? Personally I don't ask but the women I've dated would sometimes just come out and talk about it unprompted. The girlfriend I had before my current one I'd met online asked if I were talking to other people and from there the conversation moved onto past relationships and what we'd done in past relationships. After I'd answered her questions she came out and told me about her past despite me not asking. Mos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 08:12 PM
2	Age gap relationships: Most people against them are being disingenuous 39 and 15 in Macron's case. Would 42 and 18 suddenly make things better? Would she behave differently? Considering they're going through puberty those few years make a huge difference. 18 year old me had done a lot of growing up since 15 and while I wasn't fully mature those 3 years made a gigantic difference. In my country 16 is the age of consent but at 18 I couldn't even imagine dating a 16 year old despite the 2 year gap because a person does so much growing up both physically and mentally. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 05:13 PM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you I feel like the main divide come in when a woman acts one way but suddenly shifts behaviour without giving you a reason. Like I'm fine if a woman used to go have casual sex but had bad experiences and wants to try something new but from previous threads on this sub women seem to think asking for any reason is unreasonable. If someone said they were vegan then stopped you'd question the behaviour. It might not be a deal breaker but something that important to people usually isn't done on a whim.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 01:47 PM
4	A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles. So said women have internalised misogyny and thus are still part of the problem 🙄	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 11:59 AM
3	A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles. Ok I guess you couldn't call it a deep dive but I did listen to feminism is for everybody and the handmaid's tale along with several YouTubers. For a few weeks feminism became my hyper fixation but this started after my deep dive on the black panthers and the rainbow coalition. Long story short, as I see it there's hardcore feminists who I respect and then there's the average woman who pays lip service to feminism but doesn't understand it beyond men can't tell me what to do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 12:37 AM
6	A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles. As I keep saying, most of this gender war would be solved the moment people realised that it's a small but loud and active group driving hostility and that group simply doesn't care about what people think Edit: I do think where most people go wrong is the language they use. They generalise men and women when making statements and then the nuance of any situation gets lost.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 11:52 PM
7	A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles. From my deep dive I got the vibe that girl boss feminism (which is patriarchy with a thin coat of feminism) is the main voice right now and something like radical feminism that isn't man hating or TERF adjacent seem to get buried or shouted down.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 11:41 PM
1	Women need to embrace, modernity all the way. The one thing I know is a girl will make it easy if she likes you. If she likes you then she'll spend time with you without all the courting and want to court you. If a man likes a woman he'll want to court her because he wants to but will also be fine just spending time with her without getting something out of it. Either way if someone likes you they don't expect anything from you and just want you to be yourself. Expecting princess treatment comes off as entitled and says that you just want m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 03:51 PM
3	Women need to embrace, modernity all the way. That's the thing women want men to go all in on the first date and if men get burned just like women they will learn the same lesson and hold back until later. The compromise is to go for low effort dates so you have some time to connect before going all in. Men want to know the woman likes them and not the stuff they do for them and women want to know men like them and aren't just after sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 03:21 PM
1	Women need to embrace, modernity all the way. Doing activities you both like will be ideal but on a first date the default stance a lot of women (on this sub) seem to have is the man should pay and expect nothing in return. I understand women might not be comfortable going all the way on the first date want just want to test the water and I'm doing the same. The question a low effort date asks is "are you fine with me as I am?" If the answer is yes then cool I'll put in more effort next time and if the answer is no then we go our separate w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 10:07 PM
1	Men's contribution to society isn't a dating argument. Yh I made the account before the war in Ukraine and now kinda regret it 🙃	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 07:30 PM
2	Women need to embrace, modernity all the way. Which is why I go for low effort dates. I'm not out of pocket trying to woo a girl who turn out to not be interested and she's not feeling like she owes me. It's the compromise that works out best and if there is a spark then we'll both be comfortable giving more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 07:01 PM
3	Men will never support modern feminism because it exclusively benefits women while trying to lecture and belittle men Yeah, continuing to fight for women's rights "should" eventually dismantle the patriarchy and free men from their issues but as lyedetector would have it just becomes a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy. I see trans rights as the next step in equality since if men and women are truly equal then it shouldn't matter if someone transitions but focusing on "women" leads into TERF territory which will take feminist language and use it to harm others. Dismantling the patriarchy isn't something that c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 04:45 PM
4	Men will never support modern feminism because it exclusively benefits women while trying to lecture and belittle men "Feminism is the belief that everyone, regardless of gender, should have equal rights and opportunities. It really is that simple. For all the different types of feminist theories and practices – for all the different schools of political, economic, and social thought – the grounding principle of feminism is equality. And in today’s intersectional feminism, we mean equality for everyone, regardless of gender identity, sexuality, race, class, or ethnicity." That's the full description on what is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 04:35 PM
21	Men will never support modern feminism because it exclusively benefits women while trying to lecture and belittle men "Feminism is the belief that everyone, regardless of gender, should have equal rights and opportunities." That's from the UN	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 04:27 PM
0	Women don't like assholes specifically, but men at the top I like to call them diet conservative. Maintain the status quo even if it sucks for others but not for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 04:23 PM
-1	Women need to embrace, modernity all the way. Thank God for your permission. I've been waiting my whole life for your permission. You're welcome 😎	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 04:03 PM
-2	Women need to embrace, modernity all the way. I'm expect it from men who like me and want to pursue a relationship with me. Sounds pretty entitled. The male equivalent would be expecting sex from women who like them and want to pursue a relationship with them. Obviously you can pursue whatever relationship you want but I'm just pointing out how you sound.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 03:55 PM
2	Women need to embrace, modernity all the way. This is why I only do low effort first dates. I don't know if you're worth it just like you don't know if I'm worth it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 03:29 PM
3	The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of their fantasies in a role-reverse Remember too that 45% of the votes that got that man there was from women. This is what I mean. Logic and reason went out the window in 2016	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/26 02:41 AM
2	More men struggle with women because more men are boring Ultimately this is about people having different interests or refusing to try anything new. On a personal note I introduced 2 of my female friends to d&d and we would go out and fun but for a long time they had an image of the game that simply wasn't true and now they keep asking when the next session is. But again as someone in both worlds my stance is most women are just as boring as men but men have to sing and dance to draw attraction thus appealing to women's tastes is necessary and current…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/26 02:19 AM
6	More men struggle with women because more men are boring Lady I live both of those lives. I go out clubbing and play d&d sometimes in the same weekend and overall the most fun people are the ones that can do both. A party animal is fun for a weekend but for gods sake are they a husk of a person when it comes to anything else. Shy introverts can be annoying with how deep they get into mtg but they can have deep conversations about something that isn't tiktock. Man or woman both have problems and benefit but men are willing to settle for any woman with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/26 02:09 AM
–	There is no real masculinity or femininity and societies really need to move on This is why I say most women aren't ready for true equality. They want the benefits of benevolent sexism without the negatives while keeping men trapped in our gender roles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/26 02:02 AM
8	More men struggle with women because more men are boring And I can tell you most women are just as boring as men it's just that men have lower standards than women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/26 01:58 AM
14	The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of their fantasies in a role-reverse You are commenting over text in a political environment where the most powerful man on the planet is a pedophile who is actively tanking the world economy so people stop talking about that fact he's a pedophile... I have no choice but to assume the wildest takes on the internet are 100% truthful	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 02:31 PM
13	The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of their fantasies in a role-reverse Yet again someone forgets that this gender war is driven by a small minority of people and most people simply don't care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 02:21 PM
2	Men's contribution to society isn't a dating argument. While true the question of who and why almost never gets asked. It's the difference between someone killing a person because they wanted a thrill and a drunken brawl gone wrong or even using excessive force in a self defence scenario.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 11:21 AM
–	The refusal to date people is more born out of a cycle of normalized false beliefs, and in nothing ‘innate’ to what one is attracted to Cool, the racist will simply read a book that challenges their whole world view and won't just put it down when they start reading stuff they don't like. If you're not seeing what I'm getting at by this point then maybe you should read a book about bi phobia	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/26 06:11 PM
–	The refusal to date people is more born out of a cycle of normalized false beliefs, and in nothing ‘innate’ to what one is attracted to And how would the racist learn their racism is the problem without someone telling them or them being introspective?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/26 05:44 PM
7	The biggest thing right now we can do to help men is to teach boys as young as possible, to drop as much as possible, any and all need for female validation Because we are human and literally crave socialisation and acceptance to varying degrees based on the individual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/26 05:08 PM
–	The refusal to date people is more born out of a cycle of normalized false beliefs, and in nothing ‘innate’ to what one is attracted to And honestly, the woman is better off in that weirdly racist scenario. It was a strawman but you could just say she's got no idea he's a racist. It was more about should said man stop being prejudiced and learn to accept people from other races as people. No. Again, it's not a problem to reject someone. Alright. That's the end of that conversation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/26 05:06 PM
–	The refusal to date people is more born out of a cycle of normalized false beliefs, and in nothing ‘innate’ to what one is attracted to Let's say a man rejects a woman of a different race because he's racist. Is that problematic?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/26 04:58 PM
2	The refusal to date people is more born out of a cycle of normalized false beliefs, and in nothing ‘innate’ to what one is attracted to While true just like OP I tend to find that women's problematic tendencies get put on full blast when they don't get to hide behind the victim shield and then it becomes "I don't have to justify anything" rather than "maybe I should be introspective and see if I'm part of the problem". This is a test to see if you can look within yourself and see if you are problematic in anyway and if the answer is always fuck you I do what I want then you're probably part of the problem and just don't realise …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/26 04:25 PM
–	Thirsty Men undercutting other Men that have principles, destroyed the value off Men, and we wont recover from this. Women have the leverage because there's men willing to debase themselves for the smallest amount of attention. Weak willed men cheapen the value of male attention just like one night stands cheapened the value of sex. Before the sexual revolution marriage was the standard price for sex if you didn't want a prostitute now most men expect sex long before marriage. Ps there's obviously more to it than just that but in the context of OPs post this is kinda how it works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 07:29 PM
4	Being attracted to someone vs being just friendly, how to recognize it as a man? I think this is the ugly truth of situation. Women generally want to be left alone but generally still want men to make the first move so without setting some universal baseline women won't ever get to be left alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/26 11:33 PM
1	What's the most annoying debate tactic you see from the opposite gender on this sub? The basic generalisations everyone comes out with then gets mad when people point out the generalisation is wrong. People often complain that they missed the point but the point itself is wrong because they treat that group as a monolith.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 08:49 AM
2	“There are more good men than good women” and “a good man is just an average woman” - what is the metric for good in these statements If women preform better academically but are not able to get the higher paying job within that field even when they have better credentials , what do you think could be the reason behind that? We have to look at what fields women tend to go into for that. Oftentimes it's not STEM subjects and we all know that's where the demand is, we also have to factor in how companies treat mothers. To them a mother is a risk, she could take maternity leave but they'd still have to pay her. While she isn't sp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 09:20 AM
8	Men here misinterpret "personality matter" and overlook social skills. We both know there would be push back about men only wanting to date neurotypical women let's not even lie here. Women pushed back against men's beauty standards for them but and now we see men pushing back against women's beauty standards for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/26 08:47 PM
1	No woman who likes you is gonna make you wait or play “hard to get” I have no arguments with this. You're literally the first woman to actually give some reasoning other than he should be OK with whatever she's ok with. Previous bad experiences can Jade a person and if they want to take it slow afterwards then I've no issues but if I'm expected to just not question the change in behaviour without a reason then that seems unreasonable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/26 06:29 PM
–	Looksmaxxing Is No Fun, Is It? No it's not fun but here's the thing women have already expressed their displeasure with feminine beauty standards are now men are doing the same with male beauty standards. I think people have been ruined by the internet and Hollywood and now people are chasing body standards that simply aren't realistic so people get body dismorphia and eating disorders trying to be something that isn't achievable by the average person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/26 05:27 PM
1	We need to stop saying there are good women out there if they only care about women Ok hold on I'm gonna need a sec to read all this. A black person being prejudice towards white people after after a life of suffering at the hands of that groups, watching other members of that community suffer and living in a system that is built to make them suffer while making excuses and propping up white people os not equal It's not but that doesn't make it alright and that's the but your missing. Prejudice is wrong and me taking it out on a random person from the same group isn't OK. When …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/26 05:17 PM
-3	No woman who likes you is gonna make you wait or play “hard to get” I think what he's asking is, if woman A likes casual sex but decides to make the guy she deams husband material wait, is husband material alright in thinking she doesn't like him as much based on her past.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/26 02:55 PM
8	Good men don't push boundaries So is feeling like the moment is right enough consent even if you haven't asked?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/26 02:42 PM
2	We need to stop saying there are good women out there if they only care about women So black people can absolutely be prejudiced against white people and to people who maybe don’t know that racism requires systemic oppression it looks the same - and that’s because the actions and feelings are the same, the only difference is the lack of systemic oppression which makes it prejudiced and not racism And that makes it ok? Because the system doesn't back me when hold prejudices against white people that makes it perfectly ok to hold them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 08:10 PM
4	Men should ask permission before asking sexually explicit questions What exactly constitutes weird? That's the issue, it's all subjective to each individual. I honestly think men should just ask and if she does get weirded out then that's that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 07:41 PM
3	Men should ask permission before asking sexually explicit questions It's one of those things where straight up asking will turn off a lot of women cause it kills the mood but really we should. We have this issue where men are expected to just know and read the signs but men are known for missing women's signs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 07:11 PM
2	We need to stop saying there are good women out there if they only care about women It’s an educated one that would be learned in most all prestigious, and most half way decent colleges and universities And you think the those institutions can't be wrong? You think colleges and universities are always correct cause lady there's a long history of those places supporting whatever narrative is popular and bending over backwards to do it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 05:39 PM
1	We need to stop saying there are good women out there if they only care about women She would regularly say things that if the same had been said by a white person about black people it would have definitely sounded very racist. But two things: one they were basically all true, and they could only be prejudice and not racist because racism comes from the power structure. The thing is it's still racist. The homeless person on the street can still be racist even though they literally can't vote without a registered address. Not being in power doesn't stop you from being a part of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 05:37 PM
1	We need to stop saying there are good women out there if they only care about women They don’t get offended by women like ours problems with men, because without us having to say so, they KNOW this doesn’t apply to them. When someone makes a generalisation about a group of people that paints the whole group as one gigantic problem and doesn't give deeper context they're usually considered to be the problem. As a black man I often find the stuff women say about men lines up really close to the stuff racists might say about me and it often feels like men are just a socially accep…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 08:08 AM
8	We need to stop saying there are good women out there if they only care about women And so much of this gender war would be solved the moment realised it literally not all men and not all women but a very loud and very active minority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 01:59 AM
–	The manosphere and looksmaxxing are direct outcomes of an open sexual market — and they’re becoming the new normal I guess but I think it's also realistic to consider that there's a real political will to radicalize young men to the righ. Yeah but I'd say it's the opportunity presented itself and the politicians and grifters took it. There's always been people trying to teach men how to seduce women but it's been something small and on the fridges. All of a sudden more men started struggling + the internet allowed for more communication and the whole thing blew up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 01:43 AM
–	The manosphere and looksmaxxing are direct outcomes of an open sexual market — and they’re becoming the new normal I think it's a chicken and egg situation. Did the young men become red pill because of lack of success or did red pill lead to lack of success? I'd say both. Young men who had little success went to the red pill stuff for advice and it pushed them deeper into the rabbit hole.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/26 01:22 AM
1	average Men Don't have almost any advantages I think many people don't understand evolution. It rarely creates a perfect creature but creates something that works reliably on a macro scale. You could argue that the female body sacrificing itself for the child is intended because that passes on the genes while something like cancer and genetic disorders are errors or failed attempts at trying something new. Something like the male orgasm being needed for conception makes sense cause it incentivises men to spread their genes across multiple …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 11:31 PM
3	average Men Don't have almost any advantages Our bodies aren't even made to live through pregnancy without extreme medical intervention Even from an evolutionary point of view that doesn't make sense. Like yeah it's a complex procedure and 1000 things can go wrong but if the intention was a woman gives birth once then dies humanity would have died out a long time ago. Don't actually have any issue with the rest of the paragraph though	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 12:24 PM
–	If you believe most men are unattractive then you should be ok with the current dating market I think the main issue is right now everyone is chasing an unrealistic lifestyle. "We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won't. And we're just learning this fact" Everyone wants the life they see on TV and this is why so many people get body dismorphia or feel like they're failures when the powers at be have ruined everything they touch since the cold war. Maybe a slim few can climb to the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 10:46 PM
–	If you believe most men are unattractive then you should be ok with the current dating market For a short time but then that would become the new normal. Ps look at getting a degree these days. Previously it was basically a guarantee for a good career but now it's a requirement for an entry level job.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 10:35 PM
–	If you believe most men are unattractive then you should be ok with the current dating market Yes and no. To put is simply most men's standards are absolutely none existent and as much as women claim the bar is in hell, men still have them beat. The main thing is that women have expressed their displeasure with feminine beauty standards and society listened and now actively combats men when they try and put down women for being overweight. Men are trying to do the same. Like with all things when it comes to dating, be ready to be single if you want to change things or find your life part…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 10:29 PM
–	If you believe most men are unattractive then you should be ok with the current dating market It is what it is to a degree. I think people's expectations got fucked by Hollywood and the internet. Women's idea of a dad bod is actually an off season body builder and men want women to be porn stars.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 10:13 PM
–	If you believe most men are unattractive then you should be ok with the current dating market Most women are invisible to the amount of work men have to out in just to be deemed attractive when for most of the it’s basically just don’t be obese. It's one of the few bits of red pill that I think is solid. All the work that goes into being a "good man" is done before the girl is even aware that you exist you and all that effort is to qualify as an option. After that you have front load all the effort in your relationship so she doesn't leave and effectively love bomb her, it's exhausting e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 10:07 PM
2	Is there a way to make dating fair for men ethically - without reducing the rights of women, or challenging the autonomy of others? Not sure why more men aren’t rejecting the patriarchy, tbh. A lot of the time men are lumped in as problems alongside the patriarchy. Men are often told they benefit from it but men look at their lives and wonder what benefit they get so they end up believing it isn't real and when men try to point out how they are mistreated by the patriarchy a lot of women (even on this sub) will just laugh or say it's not as big as women's issues. While it's true men's issues aren't as great as women's, belit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 09:32 PM
–	RP/BP is more then a Badge you pick Blue is just not red pill so the red pill can technically just claim whatever and anything not that is blue pill Makes the whole discussion really annoying when the sides keep arguing of what is and isn't their's	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/26 03:49 PM
2	The majority of men don’t have the privilege of not caring about sex. That's the goal but remember it took over a century of work to get women where they are now this shit won't happen overnight for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/26 09:22 PM
0	The majority of men don’t have the privilege of not caring about sex. Both men and women are weak willed and brain washed, it's just that for the past century women have had movments empowermening them and teaching to value and love themselves. Men are still stuck in a mindset where we're cogs in a machine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/26 09:07 PM
–	Women don't owe men "sexual equality" Still retroactive jealousy, no one is owed the same treatment as someone else. They can be "jealous" and "offended" all they like. So my question is would it be better to leave and find someone you're compatible with or mold yourself to be someone who is comfortable with your partner's past? Also I'm assuming there's no coercive consent happening.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/26 03:44 PM
–	Women don't owe men "sexual equality" "Retroactive jealousy" is the buzz word of the day	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/26 03:37 PM
6	Men are smarter than women...only until we talk about men manipulating women and taking responsibility Men "turn" red pill when they hear when say they want kind and caring men so they try and be that and no success. They listened to what women said and took it at face value only to realise women left out be attractive to me first. It sounds obvious but when you're a teenager with zero life experience it's not. Where the red pill falls flat is they end up thinking being attractive is all it takes and abandon personality all together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/26 02:34 PM
–	Men who have trouble dating just need to leave it alone and focus on other things And what does that say? It says I want to die and I want to make sure I die. When I was suicidal but didn't really want to die I tried overdosing if I wanted to make sure I died I'd jump off a bridge, no take backs no saving me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/26 05:25 PM
5	Men want to compete more than date. Not a very feminist world view though. Conform to gender roles because it's expected.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/26 05:14 PM
5	Men want to compete more than date. I can advocate that men should approach by default Not every choice is a feminist choice though. We men should really just stop approaching and a lot have it's just that there's more who are interested in approaching and women aren't interested in taking on that burden. If you don't approach as a man you end up single. It's either you miss out on a core human experience or conform.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/26 05:08 PM
9	Men try to gatekeep standards Not all men Notice how generalisations are bad? So much of this gender war would be solved if people realised it's just a vocal minority of people saying or doing shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/26 01:40 PM
5	Homophobia is just gynocentrism on steriods. That those men have problems and can't deal with the idea that women have pasts? If a woman is offended that a man has a past that shows she has a problem with men having a past. Both force people to live within traditional norms and both are terrible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/26 11:38 PM
2	CMV: The reason men and women keep talking past each other about dating standards is because they are measuring completely different things and calling it the same conversation I think your model is missing a major variable: risk assessment. Yeah but you can't tell who is a rapist off looks alone. Most rapists are someone the woman knows so the risk assessment is already flawed. Some women claim to have creep detectors but clearly isn't true and I'd argue it's more conformation bias since if you think something is wrong with someone you'll look endlessly until you find something wrong while the majority or rapists fly under women's creep detectors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/26 08:46 AM
3	"I'm not going to date anyone I'm not attracted to, even if I die alone" The thing is it does change what your perceive as normal or average. As a man I've noticed when women say they like a dad bod they mean an off season body builder, when men imagine a dad bod we imagine Homer Simpson not Jason Momoa (when he's not filming). One is what a man looks like when he's relaxing and not working out and the other takes years in the gym and strict dieting (and probably steroids too) but has let himself go in between workout seasons. For women the idea that large breasts, b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 02:27 AM
3	Never settle” has slowly morphed into “never compromise So as I suspected, this isn’t about effort, it’s about how fast she puts out. Because as usual, men do not allow women to change their minds. "she was open about her past and I give it a shot but then wanted to take it slow, she didn't really put in effort in other ways and after I realised I broke it off." Literally said I gave her a shot but she didn't put effort in the other ways I'd previously stated...	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/26 02:15 AM
1	Never settle” has slowly morphed into “never compromise What kind of information are you learning that would enable you to believe that she put in more effort for the last guy Usually it's a mix of how she talks about them versus what treatment I get off her. Like if she's clearly not over him I don't want to deal with that. One specific example is a girl who usually liked to have sex early into a relationship, she was open about her past and I give it a shot but then wanted to take it slow, she didn't really put in effort in other ways and after I r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/26 01:56 AM
-4	Never settle” has slowly morphed into “never compromise Usually people ask about past relationships or they just give up that info. All the women I've dated talked about their past relationships at some point even though I never asked and would then ask me about my past relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/26 01:09 AM
-5	Never settle” has slowly morphed into “never compromise Let's say a partner put in more effort in a previous relationship but won't do the same for you, how would you take that? Their life hasn't changed in terms of what they can offer but they just don't feel like you're worth it. They're just not comfortable giving you 100%. Now I'm not saying women should sleep with a guy on the first date if they don't feel like it but it does make the guy question if you actually like him and his options are suck it up or leave but women get mad if he chooses to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/26 12:25 AM
3	Most men who are struggling with dating have not exhausted all options Vibes and looks. Good vibes and no looks means you're a good friend.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 08:19 PM
–	Why don’t men have a body positivity movement? Men do but they're small and get drowned out by all the people mocking said men. Overall society doesn't really care about men's mental health or physical issues and that goes for both other men and women. Women's issues always take priority even of sub reddits like this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 10:27 AM
9	This "treat me like a human" thing that women repeat is something men could say too. Women can date passively. They can go about their day avoiding men until they find one they like. Men have to actively seek out relationships or they just won't happen. Being content with yourself is easier when you know there's someone willing to give you a chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/26 06:12 PM
3	Women's Preferences Are Fine. Fetishes Disguised as Standards Are Not. Men usually got there first so they shaped the culture of those spaces. Combine that with the stereotype of gamers and nerd being losers and they obviously latched onto the idea it was a no girls allowed space. I will say it's a problem but one made by people trying to change a space they arrived late to. passport bro red pill podcaster/ interview sluts dude bros on YouTube I always wonder why they go there. A quick search would show you everything you'd need to see. So it's either they feel lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 06:40 PM
2	Women's Preferences Are Fine. Fetishes Disguised as Standards Are Not. 97% of rapists will never spend a single day Alright I'm gonna ask for a source on that number rich powerful This gets into another issue, it strays away from average men and women into class issues. A women murdered a driver in my country and fled back to the US because her husband was a diplomat. The rich rarely get punished.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 05:51 PM
1	Women's Preferences Are Fine. Fetishes Disguised as Standards Are Not. Rape is illegal, murder is illegal and men who shame women in public get shamed back. Women can shame, assault and harass men in public and nobody bats an eye. Hell it's impossible for women to even get arrested for rape in several countries because the definition only allows for men to be arrested for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 05:46 PM
3	Women's Preferences Are Fine. Fetishes Disguised as Standards Are Not. Shamed back. People dog pile on them and they have to retreat to echo chambers because it's not socially acceptable. This is a debate sub where you're supposed to exchange ideas and not all of them will be correct. This place allows that kind of behaviour but if they that stuff on the street any get shamed until they leave while women don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 05:40 PM
5	Women's Preferences Are Fine. Fetishes Disguised as Standards Are Not. Criminals. Revenge porn is illegal	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 05:34 PM
1	Women's Preferences Are Fine. Fetishes Disguised as Standards Are Not. Historically yes it was acceptable but this is the modern day. We're supposed to be the enlightened people who look back realise how bad things were. We've just swapped who we can shame for being failures. Female domestic abuse victims get government support, male victims aren't taken seriously. As much as red pill guys will say she should have chosen better they aren’t the ones deciding where the funding goes or who is eligible. Ps. They are losers on the internet too scared to show their faces	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 05:32 PM
9	Women's Preferences Are Fine. Fetishes Disguised as Standards Are Not. It's not just men that do it, women also shame men for not meet their standards but ultimately it's not all men and not all women. The main difference is that it's socially acceptable to shame men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 05:21 PM
3	Feminism is extremely dangerous The issue is that you can't. It's a lose, lose scenario, without other evidence because it's literally their word against yours which is where cross examination attempts to see if a person is trustworthy. It's not perfect but it's the best we have right now. If we don't demand solid proof then anyone can make any lie and get someone innocent in jail, at least with multiple victims they can come together and speak with one voice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/26 06:41 PM
–	The phrase “choose better” isn’t about picking me over Chad, and that’s a disingenuous statement I think women just straight up should withhold sex for at least a couple months if they want to make sure a guy isn't trying to use them for sex. If the worry is if a guy will leave after they get sex the just put a hard line and make it clear. Ask ask to meet his friends and learn as much info before it, ask him about feminism early and see if what he says matches his actions. If a guy gets pushy then drop him immediately because he's outed himself. Regardless of any physical attraction or emot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/26 05:43 AM
–	Why is "feeling like a dancing monkey" so triggering for you? I think a reason women tend to get rejected later on in a relationship is that even if the guy is being genuine with his intentions he had to spend the early part of the relationship performing and couldn't really assess if the woman was a good fit for him. He had to make her feel safe and so on so he couldn't think about if she's the one for him. Ps. When her guard is up then she's not being herself so only when it comes down can he see what she's like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/26 09:33 AM
–	Why is "feeling like a dancing monkey" so triggering for you? Compatability is the goal but from the male perspective there's a sense we have to perform just to even be an option while women can sit back and judge if we're good enough. There isn't a balance when dating it leaves a lot of men exhausted while the message we keep hearing is "the bar is in hell" which tells us we have to do more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/26 08:15 AM
5	Why is "feeling like a dancing monkey" so triggering for you? And the issue is seems to be that women aren't happy when men just be themselves since women keep saying the bar is in hell. So we're left in a situation where women aren't happy with the amount of effort men normally put in and now men aren't happy having to perform.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/26 07:04 PM
4	Why is "feeling like a dancing monkey" so triggering for you? Say it to men, the people that actually need to hear that stuff. Men only hear the bar is in hell. All you're doing is building an echo chamber.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/26 01:40 AM
5	Why is "feeling like a dancing monkey" so triggering for you? Then maybe women to just say that instead calling for more effort? Also quick question what is normal man to you? Gender roles play a massive factor in all this and since women don't need men anymore men have been struggling to find out where they fit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/26 12:31 AM
5	Why is "feeling like a dancing monkey" so triggering for you? But then women say the bar is in hell which to me comes off as men don't do enough. The current thread reads like a guy who saw women complain about men not doing enough so put in more effort only to find it dehumanising and now women get offended that he's expressed his feelings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/26 12:13 AM
6	Why is "feeling like a dancing monkey" so triggering for you? It's pretty obvious that neither men nor women actually like each other at this point. Guys feel like they have to compete against literally every other option a woman has or they get ghosted and women feel like the bar is in hell.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/26 12:08 AM
6	Why is "feeling like a dancing monkey" so triggering for you? I do consistently hear women saying "the bar is in hell" to me this says men don't put in enough effort and now we have men expressing that it feels like he's performing because women aren't happy with him just being himself. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, women expecting too much and men doing too little.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/26 05:34 PM
1	Online feminism has adopted TRPs selfishness What sort of “permanent solution” would you propose? Really it a 100 little things that shape what a man should be in society but a major one be when men are allowed to be vulnerable. Men are shamed both my men and women when they show emotion outside of major events, to put it simply people don't want to deal with men's emotions but expect men to deal with women's emotions. Role models is another major one. Often young men will try and emulate their male role models but without good ones they w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/26 11:40 AM
3	Online feminism has adopted TRPs selfishness If men’s movements can’t get off the ground because not enough men care about anything except getting their dicks wet and shit talking women, that’s not on feminism to fix. Yes and no. If the men start doing what they're doing now and attack women's rights then shouldn't feminism look for a permanent solution? It's like building a tower but not reinforcing it. Sure you can just build it again if it falls but why not reinforce it so it can't collapse. I agree men should have our own movement but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/26 12:08 AM
–	If the red pill would be right, what would change? Because y'all don't move with the times. Instead y'all whine that women aren't picking you when you have nothing to offer. Most women have nothing to offer but sex. I'm not trying to misogynistic but most women are just as broke and dull as most guys, it's just that guys value random sex so they're willing lower their standards further than most women are willing to go meaning women continue to be in demand. Also as much as some women hate men approaching there's an equal number that don't want …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/26 06:41 AM
–	If the red pill would be right, what would change? Same as they did previously. Yes and no. 1920s women generally would lower their standards overtime since they couldn't support themselves without some kind of male intervention but women can so outside of wanting a man there's no reason to lower them. Really only been since the 70s that women could get mortgages and credit cards without a man being involved. Each relationship is unique and should determine what is fair. Agreed but within reason. Like one person obviously shouldn't have complete…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/26 05:44 AM
–	If the red pill would be right, what would change? Not really, if it were purely that then men would just enslave women again. It's more like a negotiation now, both people look for the best deal they can get but as always 50/50 split is what's fair but doesn't exactly make you feel special.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/26 05:11 AM
1	Would women’s dating problems change if they had fewer suitors? Depends if you're honest about it or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/26 10:36 AM
4	Alluring power is real and it's toxic to deny it. Then quite simply do it. Enforce those boundaries, make it clear because that's what communication is all about. If the guy gets frustrated then leave but show interest so the right guy actually know you are interested and doesn't have to second guess every decision because you aren't communicating. Be the change you want to see.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/26 10:33 PM
1	The 'Mankeeping' narrative shows that women are openly hostile to discussing men's emotional labor load From the company's view hiring a woman who plans on taking maternity leave is literally worse than just hiring a man. It's cold uncaring capitalism at play and it just so happens to be misogynistic. Maternity leave means she doesn't do her job which means she's dead weight. Worker's rights prevents this sort of behaviour so the company tries to find some reason to not hire her in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/26 02:55 PM
4	What do you actually want women to do? I think women shouldn't really sleep with men early if they want to be sure if the guy isn't just interested in their body. As for how that works when it comes to showing interest just do all the stuff men do already. Ask about hobbies, plan dates, offer to pay, give gifts etc. Don't be passive when courting but make it clear that by no means are you going to sleep with him early. If he doesn't like that or tries to pressure you into sex then he's outed himself as someone who doesn't care about …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/26 11:07 PM
1	Pair Bonding vs Dating HVM I guess what your trying to say is be content on your own the issue is there's a difference between being single by choice and being single because nobody wants you. A lot of people give that advice without ever experiencing that level loneliness. From personal experience it even ruins times with friends and family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 11:39 PM
2	Why do men feel so negatively towards OnlyFans creators? OF initially wasn't meant to be a porn service then people started making porn and they realised how much many they were making. As to why I don't the owners it's harder to hate a faceless corporations than the person on your screen. Overall I don't really even hate the creators or the company behind it, I'm more just annoyed. Hate is something that throws a wrench in my emotions, this is at most an eye roll before moving on and not sparing a second thought.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 10:08 PM
5	Why do men feel so negatively towards OnlyFans creators? Yeah they have the decency to keep to the porn sites where people are looking for it. I don't mind sex work but don't place it everywhere anyone can see. I don't like ads at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 09:36 PM
5	Why do men feel so negatively towards OnlyFans creators? Probably because he's married. Data brokers sell or info all the time and they use it to curate ads. That he moved past them quickly so the algorithm got the message.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 09:15 PM
1	Why do men feel so negatively towards OnlyFans creators? I don't hate OF hate is too strong a word it's more like annoyed. I'm not looking for porn when I'm doom scrolling. As for other ads, I dislike all ads. Let me scroll in peace. If I need something I'll Google it and it'll be right there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 09:11 PM
6	Why do men feel so negatively towards OnlyFans creators? I guess we just have different interests then or they aren't really paying attention 🤷 On YouTube I don't get anything like that at all, Facebook neither but Instagram one comes up occasionally and I just move right past it. For me it's not common but I know some guys who get it all the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 08:50 PM
4	Why do men feel so negatively towards OnlyFans creators? Again algorithms target based on interests and have probably guessed you're a woman. That or some data broker sold your info so the site knows you're a woman and doesn't show that content.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 08:44 PM
5	Why do men feel so negatively towards OnlyFans creators? Oh yeah, the main thing is to completely avoid it like the plague but that doesn't mean it's not there, you've still had to put in work to avoid seeing it. On Instagram I see one occasionally despite avoid all thurst traps like it'll kill me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 08:36 PM
28	Why do men feel so negatively towards OnlyFans creators? Well the algorithm will likely figure out if someone is a man and start showing them based off interests alone. Algorithms a specifically designed to fuck with people so based off the posts you interact with they'll have probably guessed your a woman and filter out said creators.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/26 08:27 PM
3	Why do men complain so much? If women didn’t make it hard for men to get them pregnant humans probably would have died out by now Not really, men controlled women for hundreds of years but that's not really the point I want to discuss. Women think men are dangerous and I fully understand why. There are millions of dangerous men out there and it only takes one to turn a woman into a statistic but the male population is around 4 billion. For every 1 dangerous man there's 10 who have zero desire to hurt women but women treat a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/26 04:26 PM
–	Male sexuality just seems borderline antisocial to me High body counts in men are seen as a proof of desirablity, men generally have to make the first move and court women and a man failing to find a partner is usually framed as him not being good enough. So if a guy had a high body count seen as him being not just good enough but exceptional. Meanwhile women are generally passive in the courting process, women get approached and assess if the man approaching her is good enough for her. The effort for women is generally shown later in the relations…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/26 02:38 PM
6	Why do men complain so much? It think you're missing something. When you struggle to date it's because nobody wants you, sex is a part of it but it's the loneliness men are struggling with. I will admit a lot of us shoot ourselves in the foot by making it about sex but society right now is very sex orientated. A guy sees women complain about getting too much attention and wanting to be left alone while he hasn't gotten a compliment in years. It's two separate worlds thinking the other has it better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/26 12:28 PM
1	What do you think Blue Pill is? If find the main issue with blue bill being "not red" is it means the red pill gets to define itself whatever it wants while blue can only live within the margins.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/26 07:38 PM
3	Is it a red flag to be a virgin in your mid to late 20s? All of these scream deflection. It's I don't want to answer and you hope the person takes that as you trying to be mysterious rather than hide something embarrassing. Ultimately telling the truth will end badly for the virgin guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/26 09:03 PM
4	Is it a red flag to be a virgin in your mid to late 20s? On this sub but this is a debate sub people who come here are generally gonna have more nuanced takes than most people out there who probably never even think about stuff like this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/26 09:01 PM
5	Is it a red flag to be a virgin in your mid to late 20s? I'd say it more depends on the woman. Most would view it as a sign there's something wrong with the guy if he managed to get into his mid to late 20s without losing it. A guy who make it his whole personality will obviously scare of all women who come his way but even then it's still viewed as a mark against you even if it just means the sex is most likely gonna be bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/26 08:59 PM
–	Women don't owe you explanation of their standards. That's the thing we're dealing with what is socially acceptable and socially expected. It's all gender roles and stepping out of said roles or failing to meet them is put on you as a moral failure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/26 08:48 PM
–	Self-centered men just can't handle the change that comes with having kids I'd guess it's do to being an example of what a good/bad man is. For daughters it shows the type of guy they should look for/avoid so they don't end up in terrible marriages. For sons it's an example of what they should/shouldn't be when they leave the nest and how they should/shouldn't treat women. Ultimately both parents are still people and should be equally valued in their relationship and should put the child above themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/26 09:16 PM
2	Most examples of good male role models still covertly represent traditionally masculine ideals of unachievable levels of wealth, status and success that harm men's mental health I feel like there's aren't many male activists that get much attention like Greta Thunberg or Anita Sarkeesian. Both aren't A listers but you they're recognisable within their spheres. There just aren't many men who get that much publicity for activism and thus men have so few examples of good men who aren't wealthy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 06:04 PM
0	Can't a guy only need to know a few women he'll ever date will be no good to justify being initially skeptical of every one that he's ever interested in? Then isn't simply telling women to be careful at night victim blaming? If saying hey watch out for xyz is victim blaming I guess we shouldn't tell women about this stuff at all then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 07:06 PM
1	Can't a guy only need to know a few women he'll ever date will be no good to justify being initially skeptical of every one that he's ever interested in? It's not the fault of the victim at any point but there are thing people can do to make it harder to end up a victim. We lock our doors because we know there thieves are out there and not taking drinks from strangers or going to a second location are things within our power we can do to make it harder to end up in said situation. Nobody deserves it or asks for it but we take precautions against it anyway because the malicious people don't care about people's well being.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 06:51 PM
2	Can't a guy only need to know a few women he'll ever date will be no good to justify being initially skeptical of every one that he's ever interested in? I was assuming the girl is an adult. When you're a child others are meant to protect you and any failure on that isn't your fault by any stretch of the imagination.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 06:45 PM
1	Can't a guy only need to know a few women he'll ever date will be no good to justify being initially skeptical of every one that he's ever interested in? Yes and no Knowing some men can be rapists will mean she'll be careful and not put herself in a position where I'd be easy for a man to do that. At the same time assuming the worst of everyone because they're born a certain way just makes you an asshole. Where I draw the line is treating a guy you don't know as if see already a rapist instead of just being careful. This would mean ostracising men because they're men while not accepting a drink from a stranger or not going back to their place whi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 06:37 PM
3	Why is virgin used as an insult if sex and relationships are supposedly not important? Yeah but it's a lot easier said then done. Even if you have friends and family if you can't get a relationship despite trying it will eat away at you. The one thing you can’t achieve will always eat away at you especially if it's something seen as simple but important.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/26 07:27 PM
25	Men say they just want a normal, decent partner and resent women for wanting ‘perfect’; Women are terrified of being chosen merely for being decent and acceptable Again men and women live in different worlds. If a guy got 100 dates at 22 most men would think he's the giga chad eveyone talks about. Getting dates as a man is like a job interview, you have to meet so many standards because women have so many options that they have no choice but to filter out as many guys as possible. It's watching someone drown while you're dying of thirst.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/25 05:02 PM
3	What's are alternatives to Red Pill? We're capitalist, it's all about the haves and have nots. The US doesn't even have universal health care, if you're not successful enough to afford insurance you're out of luck. Europe is better but still capitalist. Success is what matters in capitalism and men who aren't successful must find a way to become successful because society does not value unsuccessful men. Why do you think most military recruits come from poorer backgrounds? It's an guaranteed career path if you survive deployment. S…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/25 03:42 AM
2	What's are alternatives to Red Pill? Maybe I worded it poorly or you missed my point. We as a society tell men to be better, be better than other men and be better than women. Men don't care about women's accomplishments because men are supposed to be better. When women earn more they generally aren't interested in those men so we have a system where men are supposed to rise above others to be valued but not all men can do so. Said men who fail to meet the mark are told to be better but have already failed to be better so they act …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/25 02:47 AM
2	What's are alternatives to Red Pill? Yes and no. Men feel inadequate when women earn more than them, it's how we're socialised. To fit into men's traditional roles we have to earn more, when we don't we get called lazy be it from our partner or other men and women. As society see it men should earn more and when we don't conform both ourselves and others will punish us for it. A guy might act when he doesn't earn more, he might try to tear down his wife but this is due to a feeling of inadequacy. It's the same with incels, they don…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/25 12:58 AM
9	What's are alternatives to Red Pill? I think this is point of division with men and woman. For women the advice is find a man who loves you for you and for men the advice is do better. Men don't have value as they are but women do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/25 12:43 AM
1	Why do men think there are so many good men Financial stability is just difficult in today's economy. The elites started screwing over the world back in the 80s and now all that mess needs cleaning but none of them want to start. Humour and confidence are often contextual. If you don't put yourself in situation where these things can be shown then it just won't happen. This ties into to people being social. With the internet and covid combo made it so people just don't want or need to go out. A person can entertain themselves, work and fe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/25 12:32 AM
3	Men are more violent than women, not more abusive. You do realize it automatically leaves the other two as representatives of the movement? Unfortunately yes but saying you're anti feminist makes you look like you're against women's rights which ultimately just makes you the bad guy. My hope is if enough people who believe in true equality keep talking we can convince people to spread the same message. It's an up hill battle even on feminist sub-reddits. But feminists are in the best position to internalise the message since the whole idea of br…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/25 05:25 PM
0	Men are more violent than women, not more abusive. Unfortunately that's true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/25 05:18 PM
4	Men are more violent than women, not more abusive. There's multiple versions of it like with any major movement. Some just hate men and use it as an excuse. Some want "equality" but still hold men to their traditional roles. Some want true equality which requires men and women give up their traditional roles and be treated the same regardless of gender. There's also many different opinions on how to achieve said goals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/25 04:51 PM
11	Men are more violent than women, not more abusive. But isn't feminism about equality? Women focusing on themselves can only get so far. While I do agree men should have their own movement as things are now any movement focusing on men will be hijacked by the right and used to push men into oppressing women. The practical solution is to get feminism to help promote what good men look like so men have good examples of what men should be that don't come from the right. From where I'm standing feminism in the west has gotten to a point where the wor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/25 04:27 PM
1	Should men be openly critical of women who are bad or boring in bed ? Ultimately if you're sharing intimate secrets about someone without their consent then you're just an asshole.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/25 02:50 AM
3	Men demand empathy from women, and at the same time they punish women for being empathetic. I'd agree that when a guy does ask for empathy he's usually not the type to give it in return but most men generally aren't allowed to show emotion outside of life altering events. A guy who gets dumped is supposed to get back on his horse can keep moving while girls are showered with affection and support. So this doesn't turn into another women bad rant I'll say this does mainly come down to how guys are socialised. We're supposed to be manly it shows up in our friendships along with how men a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 09:50 PM
5	When women say they “don’t like muscular men,” they are often lying, consciously or unconsciously. I think he's talking about when women say the like dad bods when they're talking about an off season body builder or an actor who isn't maintaining his strict diet for a film. They're definitely muscular but not what most men would consider a dad bod.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 09:40 PM
8	Men demand empathy from women, and at the same time they punish women for being empathetic. Everyone desires empathy but men get mocked for asking for it, men have to prove ourselves worthy of something as basic as empathy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 03:58 PM
3	Women should just cut off any access to intamcy till they get the result they want. I keep saying this but women shouldn't sleep with a guy until he shows commitment. Blatantly ask him about feminism and is opinions early then see if he walks the walk, hold off on sex until you're sure and make it clear, if he gets pushy you should end it. A guy who has empathy for women and wants to get to know you will be willing to wait. Ideally you know a lot about him and met his friends before you end up sleeping with him and this will scare off most guys with ulterior motives. Just make …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/25 05:24 PM
1	Men have standards by default and criticize women for doing same thing Ultimately it's all about if you care what people think. You shouldn't have to change yourself to find love but if you don't conform your options are slim. A guy who doesn't shower shouldn't expect women to date him without changing his behaviour and a woman who's obese shouldn't expect men to date her without changing her behaviour. The only thing I think has any real point are things based on genetics but ultimately you can't change a person's preferences and can only seek out those who are ri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 05:58 PM
2	It’s smart for a man to stop being friends with a women after she rejects him Then ask if she's flirting or just being touchy. If she's being touchy and flirty but doesn't want a relationship with you establish the boundary if you feel uncomfortable. If you don't feel uncomfortable then now you know it's platonic and that's just the new dynamic of the friendship. I've got something similar with 2 lesbian friends of mine. They're clearly lesbians but we flirt and we all know that no point is this ever gonna happen. It's become an inside joke of the friendship that we just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 01:32 AM
-1	It’s smart for a man to stop being friends with a women after she rejects him It really depends on if you became friends to date her or were friends first then got feelings. If it's the former then yeah, you had no interest in her other than to date her. She's not actually your friend, you were using friendship as a tactic to get a relationship. If she was your friend then you got feelings I'd say don't break up the friendship. Maybe take some time away if you're hurting but don't just end it. In this case you were actually friends beforehand so you already like her outsi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 10:30 PM
5	Q4M: Can you share your experiences of breaking up because she was too boring? It's cause men generally have lower standards then women. We would rather our partner be our best friend but if doesn't happen most men won't break up with a girl over it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 10:00 PM
1	What constitutes a simp? Personally I don't understand strip clubs so the mind of a guy who frequents them is just as alien to me. Overall I lean toward yes it's simping. It's the same as the streamer, she's working and wants your money for as little effort as possible. If you enjoyed the show then maybe you could call it a tip but again I don't understand the appeal of strip clubs. At least with streamers their personality and the subject matter is what keeps me interested.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 08:48 PM
10	What constitutes a simp? A guy who debases himself to please a girl who gives nothing in return. The typical example is a guy donating a ton of money to a female streamer in hopes that she'll date him. Paying for dates is not simping if you're already in a relationship where there's equal effort on both sides. I can't really think of an example that would be misandry if my book. Reciprocation is the key. Treating your partner well is a must but you have to make sure they're doing the same. The old dynamic was men having…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 05:50 PM
3	Nothing wrong with dating actually Oh yeah this is the best time in human history. Men and women have been given the freedom to experiment but now we have to figure out what works for everyone. This is a transition period while men and women figure out the new dynamics. The only thing I can say for certain right now is that neither men nor women are currently where we'll be when the dust settles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 03:39 PM
1	Women don’t need men While dating, my husband didn't "provide" for me. Key word being me. You are the expectation, while many women will mock a guy for wanting to split the bill or not giving princess treatment. As a woman: no. Care to give anymore explanation?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 01:49 PM
3	Women don’t need men you mean like providing? because women do that Women provide only when they're sure the guy won't stop later. A guy has to provide from day one and can't hold women to the same standard. 50/50 only beings when the woman feels ready, until then the guy generally keeps the relationship moving and alive. Because men throw a tantrum over it if there is no sex after While throwing a tantrum isn't the right response if a guy isn't getting anything out of a relationship he should end it. In my book it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/25 05:11 PM
5	Women don’t need men This is where the economy comes in. Men providing wasn't an issue before women worked. A single factory job could provide for a family, it wouldn't be glamorous but it was doable. Women working increased competition for jobs that women wanted so lower wages became acceptable. Most high paying jobs don't have many women doing them. Women working also meant that households had more money in general so households were more willing to accept higher prices. We also have to factor in all the ways the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/25 04:52 PM
–	Are physical preferences regarding immutable characteristics driving the difference between how men and women view each-other's physical attractiveness? I think that's a variable but not the variable. Men get mocked for wearing shoe inserts to appear taller but women can wear push up bras and nobody cares. Both aesthetically enhance something you can't really control outside of cosmetic surgery but only men get mocked for trying to artificially meet the other's standards. Women will say it's for themselves but ultimately men set the standard for what a good looking woman is and women set the standard for what a good looking man is. So while they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/25 11:35 PM
2	CMV: Single mothers should not have to settle for less It's just the way society is. Men are expendable and worthless until they prove themselves and saying otherwise makes the guy arrogant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/25 05:30 PM
3	Women want to be approached depending on the angle they want to own the OP Honestly we all should, it would solve so much of the gender war.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/25 10:45 AM
2	The Top 10% Illusion: Why Dating Apps Still Suck for Attractive Men (as a 10% user) Damn that's rare. Most women would rather die than message first.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 04:41 PM
0	The Top 10% Illusion: Why Dating Apps Still Suck for Attractive Men (as a 10% user) Quick question did you make the first move or did your wife?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 02:36 PM
6	Deluded Women hate actual vetting and would rather resort to snap character judgement due to illusory opportunity costs and misogynistic men mimic this behavior as a coping mechanism One of my Exs literally asked my opinion on feminism on the first date, I'd honestly recommend it. If fails he the vibe check then you can just get out of there and if he passes you now have him on record saying XYZ and you can see if his actions match his words.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 10:19 PM
–	If a man with options will cheat because he can, a man with no options is only with you because he's desperate Can you really say every single man on the face of the earth would cheat if they got a chance? If even 1 person has is good then is ok to condem a whole group. Being careful I understand, choosing to simply avoid I think is ok too but hate I think is too far.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 07:22 PM
–	If a man with options will cheat because he can, a man with no options is only with you because he's desperate If asking you not to hate someone because of they were born a certain way but due to their actions is too much for you I'll end the conversation here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 07:02 PM
–	If a man with options will cheat because he can, a man with no options is only with you because he's desperate Jews are vermin inside and out Men are vermin inside and out Women are vermin inside and out See the difference? Granted the action isn't there but language has the same hate behind it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 06:51 PM
–	If a man with options will cheat because he can, a man with no options is only with you because he's desperate I understand the hate but hating someone because of the circumstances of their birth just makes you an asshole. My family were slaves and my uncle got beaten to within an inch of his life by cops yet I'm not here calling all white people vermin. I hate racists because they've shown hate towards me and people like me but the random white person on the bus is innocent as far as I know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 06:33 PM
–	If a man with options will cheat because he can, a man with no options is only with you because he's desperate Damn girl what is your story? This is the kind of hate I usually only see from neo nazis. Some legitimate kill em all kind of rhetoric.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 06:10 PM
4	Confidence is encouraged in men, until they actually show it Competence Confidence without competence is just being cocky. Being able to follow through shows you can actually perform when needed. A core part of masculinity is being able to perform and men are expected to perform. When a man can't perform he's mocked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 12:32 PM
–	What do women think when men say "women don't take accountability"? I think this is the crux of the gender war. Women want men to hold other men to account and men respond with almost the exact same answer you have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 08:37 AM
2	Men Are More Prepared for Feminism Than Women You're agreeing to the all the risks that you're aware of. Diseases and pregnancy. If you don't want either practice safe sex or just don't have sex. It also goes without saying but know the person you're sleeping with before you have sex with them. You're less likely to diseases or get baby trapped if you do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 09:13 PM
–	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 It's probably both This place is depressing sometimes but I keep coming back 😎	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 09:07 PM
–	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 I mean the cost of living keeps going up. You used to be able to provide for a family on 1 income and still buy a house but now that is impossible unless you're a high earner. Yeah mentality is a part of it but then logistics is the uncaring master of the world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 09:03 PM
4	Men Are More Prepared for Feminism Than Women Assuming there was consent by both parties, you agreed to the risk of pregnancy. If you didn't want a child there's steps men can take to prevent a pregnancy regardless of if the woman wants kids or not. Yes women having the ultimate choice on if the pregnancy is carried to term or not isn't exactly fair to men but they also have to carry and give birth to the child which has it's own set of risks. Giving men a vote in this means women literally losing control of their bodies. The bottom line is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 08:48 PM
1	In a societal level, no one is going to grant you freedom from oppressive structures and roles. If you want clemency, fight for it. The kind of MRA I'm talking about aren't the guys who whine about women not sleeping with men or being forced to take care of children they fathered. What I mean is that women have moved on from traditional gender roles and expectations while men are still largely held to them. Largely the means talking to all men and conservative women to changing their opinions on what it means to be a man. I'll give maternity leave and the pay gap as an example. Some women complain about the pay gap without u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 10:12 AM
2	Women accept men’s uncomfortable truths, while many men turn normal female behavior into a pathology Obviously with stuff like this there's nuance and only people who don't go outside can't see that The language both men and women use is a major factor for said loss of nuance, we tend to paint eveyone with the same brush with the words we use. Either a woman is a virgin or she's racking up a count. This is nice example. I've never said this but I'm sure you've met someone on this sub who has but now you assume I'm just like that guy and make the same black and white statements and generalisatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 04:35 PM
4	Women accept men’s uncomfortable truths, while many men turn normal female behavior into a pathology There's a difference between chaining multiple short disastrous relationships and having longer relationships that just didn't work out. If a man or a woman keeps ending up in disastrous relationships it speaks about their character. A couple relationships that blew up could just be bad luck but when it's consistent then they should look inwards cause they'll probably be the only consistent thing in those relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 03:06 PM
1	In a societal level, no one is going to grant you freedom from oppressive structures and roles. If you want clemency, fight for it. MRA are needed but the messages keep being co-opted by the the right. It's a constant struggle to make sure the right messages get through without looking being labelled as misogynistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 02:56 PM
1	"Nice Guys" are basically an urban legend I'd probably say there's both men who claim to be nice while being balls of hate and misogyny and men who are genuinely nice. It's just that genuinely nice people don't say they're nice unironically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/25 08:48 AM
1	Women are not romantic. I used love and lust as to mean two different men. Her husband will love her while most will just lust after her. Also I was primarily speaking about the west, I guess I should have clarified. In the middle east yeah women's options are slim as fuck and in East Asia it's generally more ridged than the west but not as ridged as in the middle east. Africa has tons of various beauty standards that just look completely alien to the west and South America is generally sits somewhere between the west …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 05:48 AM
0	Women are not romantic. It's variable but generally I think it goes like this: Women are more loving than men but only with specific men but men are more loving in general. The bar to attain love is lower with men and men have to wine and dine to get love from women. The bar for lust with men is non-existent and the bar for lust with women is very high. Women are generally allowed to be whatever they want and still find men who will love and lust for them while men have to fit a mold to be loved and be extremely attrac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:12 AM
6	Men are lonely because women are changed. Bruh you're falling for the bait...	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 10:26 PM
10	Men are lonely because women are changed. Yeah you said it. Male attention is so abundant that it doesn't matter if women are attuned with reality or not, she'll find a man willing to debase himself just to please her. Men should start dating like women and only then can a real negotiation begin.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 10:08 PM
1	Men aren’t inherently more desperate for relationships than women are, just more disadvantaged. Personalities. I'd figure out what their deal is before anything gets serious or sleeping with them. I'd meet in public, get a feel for them and by no means would I sleep with them on the first date. I'd probably start with which ever looked prettiest but in no way would I expose myself to harm until I'm sure I can trust them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 11:29 AM
6	Nothing is actually that hard to explain. "Hard to explain" is just code for "I have no argument" The thing is all of this is it's conformation bias. You think there's something wrong so you look for something wrong. When you find it you go I always knew there was something off about him. If you don't get a vibe then you don't look for anything and get blindsided. When a someone who's attractive walks in the halo effect takes hold and you stop looking and stuff that might have caught your attention goes by. Men and women get caught up in the halo effect so claiming any gender has a radar for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 01:51 AM
2	"Women are happier single" is a another dishonest statement peddled by femcels & misandrists I'm asking for the same level of effort I put in. At the first date I don't know if you're worth it and you don't if I'm worth it so maximum effort isn't worth it. Later on if I take you to a fancy dinner I expect the same level of effort. It doesn't have to be the a fancy dinner it doesn't have to cost money but it must require the same effort. If I don't get it then the question is what does this relationship add to my life comes up and I can't see anything I leave. All relationships are give …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 12:56 PM
0	Men aren’t inherently more desperate for relationships than women are, just more disadvantaged. The issue is the factors that get men a date don't correlate to how likely he is to harm a woman. You just end up being harmed by a more attractive man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 12:25 PM
1	"Women are happier single" is a another dishonest statement peddled by femcels & misandrists It's shown as less than the bare minimum And that's why I'm a depressionmaxxer. I realised that society is so fucked cause a few people pissed in the dating pool and now people aren't after relationships but the idea of a relationship. What let's people know they're getting a a fair cut is seen a worthless so we play the game, get burned and hope next time is better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 01:22 AM
1	"Women are happier single" is a another dishonest statement peddled by femcels & misandrists As a man I've already had to walk up and start a conversation and probably planned the date. We've both decided to spend our time so the fair thing would be to at least split the bill. If the relationship goes on I'll show interest by paying attention to your interests and probably planning more dates. Is it too much to ask that women do the same? I'm not asking for the full treatment but take over date planning a couple times to show this isn't one sided. If it gets to the point where kids are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 12:55 AM
2	"Women are happier single" is a another dishonest statement peddled by femcels & misandrists Married women work and still do the majority of the homemaking and raising the kids Look obviously there's different women with different expectations but if she wants to spend time with the kids doing house work, I'll pick up the slack elsewhere. If she's expecting me to buy her gift after gift then I need some kind of return, it doesn't have to be sex but it has to be there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 12:13 AM
8	"Women are happier single" is a another dishonest statement peddled by femcels & misandrists Only today will you hear mfs complain they have to approach women. It's not that we have to approach but the inequality of our "equal" society. Women don't need men but still want us to wine and dine them without doing the same for us, I want a girl that will put in the same effort. If women want equality then it has to be equal. If she wants 50/50 that's cool but don't expect me to pay for everything and not wonder what am I getting out of this relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 11:55 PM
3	"Women are happier single" is a another dishonest statement peddled by femcels & misandrists I've seen women and studies claiming women are just as lonely as men. It's just that the amount of lonely men isn't had high as people think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 11:30 PM
1	What's the Blue Pill? And what's give you the feeling you are right? Yeah I think while the red pill has an identity the blue is more a loose collection of people the don't agree with the red pill To me the purple is the middle ground where things like the halo effect and genetics are acknowledged as things that give people a clear major advantage but not the end game.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 11:12 PM
15	"Women are happier single" is a another dishonest statement peddled by femcels & misandrists Men haven't adapted but I don't most women have either. It's just that women are generally passive when it comes to finding relationships and men have to put in effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 11:05 PM
-1	CMV: Men are not insecure they are just jealous of experienced women I think there's a couple of factors to this. Men are more sexual than women so we're jealous of their access to sex Women don't like being with inexperienced men and don't like teaching men Women with more experience realise what they want and get frustrated when they can't get it which leads back into them not spending their time teaching men. If a guy has no or little access he can't gain experience so most women disqualify him regardless of other traits. Overall everyone needs experience but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 10:55 PM
2	Question for women: Do you think it’s reasonable for a man to stick strictly to dating apps when looking for a potential partner nowadays? You won't get a rep for asking a few girls out per year The exact number differs depending on the size of the social circle but "a few" suggests more than 2 but still single digits. So you basically agreed with me. Ask a bunch of girls from your social circle out and you get a rep. Remember men generally have way lower standards than women so the guy might actually want to give the relationship a shot and if he acted on each feeling he'll get a reputation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/25 06:04 PM
3	Question for women: Do you think it’s reasonable for a man to stick strictly to dating apps when looking for a potential partner nowadays? You become that guy going around the single women of the group asking for dates... Neither are great but cold approaching and the apps don't have the risk of giving you a rep among the women you actually know. For me asking 1 or 2 girls from your social circle is fair but after that the rest of the group is off limits unless one of the girls really tries to get your attention.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/25 03:40 PM
0	As Gender Equality Grows, So Does Women's Prison Population The police are supposed to launch and investigation and gather proof. If the victim has footage or any other evidence it's a plus but the police have the responsibility to launch a proper investigation into whatever criminal case it was and bring it to court.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/25 11:07 AM
2	"Women are happier single compared to men" is a case of extremely dishonest framing Yeah? People's priorities change overtime. The 20 year old who spends their time having fun might want to start a family at 30 while the 30 year old who never got to have fun gets bitter and full of resentment. A woman who spends her youth having fun might settle down when ready. A man who spends his youth might having fun might settle down when really. Anyone that doesn't get to spend their youth having fun can become bitter, feel like they wasted their life and resent the people that got that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 04:20 PM
–	The societal expectation for men to be the protectors should be removed In a collectivist society it would be that way. The problems of others would be my responsibility to fix. Homelessness, crime, drug abuse, women's issues and men's. We're individualistic so men don't want to fix women's and issues and women don't want to fix men's. The mindset is I've got mine so I'm gonna take the life boat and leave.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 12:40 AM
–	The societal expectation for men to be the protectors should be removed There will never a consensus by men on either of these. Men and women aren't monoliths and no matter much women or men ask for change we can only control ourselves and to a lesser extent the people in our lives. Men shouldn't harm women but women shouldn't blame every guy they see as the cause of their woes. Such group think only works if society goes into a collectivist mindset where the individual serves the whole and thus the whole is responsible for the individual. Right now we're individual…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 12:32 AM
0	CMV: Women that are attracted to ambitious men, are gold diggers Oh so true and so annoying	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 12:26 PM
1	CMV: Women that are attracted to ambitious men, are gold diggers That's a good response. If I was Jewish I'd use that so often 😂	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 12:21 PM
–	Female sexuality is the ONE human impulse where society collectively pretends that the instinctive preferences are perfectly optimal. When it comes to me personally I don't care about breast size, I just used it as an example since it's something men care about and women can't control. On the individual level yeah do what you want be who you want and nobody can really do anything about it, the same is true for men and women. This is purely a macro problem and again a small part of a larger picture when it comes to what is a man in society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 12:18 PM
1	Many women mostly want children so they have a way of justifying being provided for by a man. A lot rich guys have kids and sometimes with different women. Elon had like 14 kids between 4 women. Zuck has 3 from the same woman. Trump has 5 between 3 women. Jeff has 3 biological children all from the same woman and 1 adopted (did see an article saying he has 7 but it had a pay wall). Drake has 1 confirmed kid and possibly a second if you believe kendrick. Kendrick Lamar has 2 from his wife. I'm not saying the main post is true but guys with money tend to have families.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 03:51 AM
1	CMV: Women that are attracted to ambitious men, are gold diggers It's all about masculinity and how it shows The way the red pill would tell it is that it goes back to cave man days. The local ruler has guards so his wife is protected meanwhile the local badass can just kill whoever threatens his wife. Both results in the wife and children surviving meanwhile the nice guy get murdered when the next tribe wanders in and takes his wife so he doesn't reproduce. Obviously in real life there's more to it than just reproduction and genetics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 12:41 AM
–	Female sexuality is the ONE human impulse where society collectively pretends that the instinctive preferences are perfectly optimal. It goes back to colonialism White people superior, everyone else inferior. Getting a white girl can be seen as a mark of pride, like you made it you're superior. Meanwhile white men dating minority woman can have racial undertones when said women for often raped by their oppressors. In Asia there's still a whole thing about whiteness being superior and not dating darker people. During the Korean war an American doctor basically made plastic surgery for women to appear more European so they could…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 12:35 AM
–	Female sexuality is the ONE human impulse where society collectively pretends that the instinctive preferences are perfectly optimal. Overall it's a small part of a larger picture, women are told they can be what they want without criticism and can still find love or perceived as beautiful. Guy number 78 might disagree but people will defend her and take him down. Men generally still have to fit a mold to be considered desirable and height is a part of that. The only difference being people won't defend men when women mock short guys. If I were to say women below certain breast size don't deserve love or I just won't date thos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 12:24 AM
5	Do some people create a negative self-image in their minds based on other people's view of them? Probably but constant rejection can definitely create some issues in an otherwise normal person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/25 08:48 PM
1	Women are awful in relationships; Men need to be given more advice for it Damn. You're lucky.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/25 05:31 PM
1	For women with sexual experience, it is more probable that their best sex would not be with their partners but with some toxic guys. I know 1 guy who said he's a bad sex and his ex was abusive so I'm gonna class that as a niche case. Not engaging is something men complain about but again they probably could finish if they wanted to. It could be better because said woman isn't actually a silicone doll. The doll won't (or at least shouldn't) get up and start moaning but even eye contact or any indication that you want to be there would be better than staring into space. When it comes to men having sex with an actual woman the b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/25 02:38 AM
7	For women with sexual experience, it is more probable that their best sex would not be with their partners but with some toxic guys. The pressure for sex I imagine is extremely common but it doesn't have to be amazing sex. Like I said before a silicone doll is enough so unless the guy was so brain rotted from porn or extreme fetishes that normal sex isn't good enough (which I would class as niche cases) just getting it would be enough to satisfy most men. The wanton abandon when it comes to lust is an ego thing. If you don't go to the same lengths for him as your previous boyfriends he feels like you don't like him as much. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/25 02:23 AM
14	For women with sexual experience, it is more probable that their best sex would not be with their partners but with some toxic guys. Men are easy to please. We hear so many stories of women in a dead bedroom where she doesn't enjoy it but her husband is just fine. Literally a silicone doll is enough. So I don't think this ever really happens outside of niche cases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/25 12:49 AM
3	Men don't have instant beauty tricks and it makes it harder for them! We certainly can but it's the public perception. Wearing shoe lifts and makeup is seen as a bad thing for a man to do while women wear so many things to make themselves look better. Women do complain about beauty standards when it comes to how much they have to doll themselves up and men get shamed for attempting to doll themselves up. Nobody is happy about having to do stuff to themselves to be seen as pretty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/25 12:03 AM
2	Women are awful in relationships; Men need to be given more advice for it And you've never had an argument about something or your partner doesn't have one annoying habit that you've had to work through?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/25 11:57 PM
4	Female sexuality is the ONE human impulse where society collectively pretends that the instinctive preferences are perfectly optimal. It's not that it's unrealistic it's how society treats male and female preferences A guy who wants a girl with big boobs is seen as objectifying women. It's something women can't really control outside of cosmetic surgery. A woman who wants a tall guy is seen as normal. It's something men can't really control outside of cosmetic surgery. See the difference? While most women don't exactly have a specific number a guy has to reach and the minimum is just being taller than her society still treats …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/25 11:53 PM
1	A lot of women start to sound like the very men they call toxic when defending their point — ironically. While crime has generally gone down our knowledge has increased. Now a person is exposed those crime statistics on a daily basis when previously you'd only hear about major crimes and crimes in your local area. Everything from the news to social media tells women that men routinely hurt women for shits and giggles so wonder they're afraid of us. I'll use the police an example. The police have always been the biggest gang in the US it's just that now you hear about their crimes, meanwhile every b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/25 08:37 PM
–	As a 36 year old virgin, I'm worried about the rise of sexlessness among today's youth To rephrase it in a better way (at last to me) is to say women don't value causal sex cause it's easily available so motional connection with a partner becomes new bar that women aim for. Men can't get casual sex easily so emotional connection isn't even on the radar. A person with infinite wealth doesn't care about pocket change and looks for something more fulfilling while a person struggling to get a meal does and doesn't concern themselves with higher goals. They might say something like why…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 10:35 PM
0	Women associating the male loneliness epidemic with violence is just a smoke screen, and tactic use to shame men back into adhering to traditional masculinity. Oh ok, sorry about that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 01:26 PM
1	Women associating the male loneliness epidemic with violence is just a smoke screen, and tactic use to shame men back into adhering to traditional masculinity. It really doesn't help PPD men threatening Handmaids Tale if women keep their high standards though I think you're miss understanding my intention. I didn't threaten to create the handmaid's tale what I said was "Men might literally create the handmaid's tale if the pendulum swings back. It's in your best interest to make sure the pendulum doesn't swing back and changing men is the most sure fire solution to make sure it doesn't." I never said lower your standards what I meant was give men the r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 01:20 PM
4	A lot of women start to sound like the very men they call toxic when defending their point — ironically. Bear vs man Took me a while to understand but now I get that women view men as literally worse than a bear. Is it fair? Debatable. Is it sexist? Probably, but that's how women feel and all I can do is try to make them feel safer with me than the bear. Mandatory dna I don't see an issue with this. If it's your baby then it's on record and he can't skip town one day saying it's not my kid and make you track him down to get the test done as proof. If you cheated then you're an asshole. Since it wou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 12:09 PM
9	Women associating the male loneliness epidemic with violence is just a smoke screen, and tactic use to shame men back into adhering to traditional masculinity. I don't think they ever went to war specifically to cull the male population but the single male population were just avaliable as cannon fodder. The ones that made it back would have gotten the spoils of war and maybe a medal so they could use those to secure a wife or increase their standing in society. If you look into various armies and expeditions you can find some units were made up primarily of said single young men. The original British settlements in America like James Town usually didn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 11:14 AM
7	Why do men need women? It really depends on the woman Kids still mean a woman's career basically comes to an end unless she works through maternity leave and never spends time with it. Companies select people for leadership positions based on how committed they are along with skill. If a woman is the most skilled in the office but takes maternity leave she tells the senior staff that she's not all in and might have to skip an important meeting when a family emergency happens. Guys usually didn't have maternity leave u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 11:55 PM
2	MAGA is proof that men will stand up to feminists when they actually give a damn about issues, which clearly isnt men’s issues. Look it get you're on your I hate men villian arc I'm gonna keep being a good person and trying to make the world a better place by bringing people together rather being bitter. I can't control all men just the men in my life and all ask is you do the same on your end. If that's not good enough well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I wish you well in the future.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 08:05 PM
2	MAGA is proof that men will stand up to feminists when they actually give a damn about issues, which clearly isnt men’s issues. Oh right women, even monekys figured this out due to males lash out of aggression which in turn get all the female monkeys to mutalate and or out right kill them ensuring you guys dont pass your genes. If you wanna use monkeys as the baseline for human then I think you and I are drastically different sides of the argument. Monkeys can be just as violent as modern humans just without the morality filter. There's been so many documented cases of various species going to war, committing cannibalism…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 05:27 PM
5	MAGA is proof that men will stand up to feminists when they actually give a damn about issues, which clearly isnt men’s issues. Men and women do largely need each other for permanent change and while the portion of men who understand this is currently small that's how every movements starts. Currently it's in the initial stages, most men still hold onto those ideas cause that's what we were taught but more and more start to understand that it doesn't have to be that way. Most women in the 1800s didn't even like feminism because they grew up with things being one way and in the 200 years since society has changed radicall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 04:47 PM
8	MAGA is proof that men will stand up to feminists when they actually give a damn about issues, which clearly isnt men’s issues. Men are still largely held to the old patriarchal standards and for women to truly be freed from them men have to abandon them too. The protector provider, alpha male, giga chad masculine man trope. The idea what childcare isn't something men can do, the idea that a man has to fight to be considered a man, all the toxic masculinity that women complain about. It keeps men in a box and if men are in the box women will always face resistance when they try to escape it While it's not women's jobs to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 04:10 PM
4	MAGA is proof that men will stand up to feminists when they actually give a damn about issues, which clearly isnt men’s issues. Oh yeah when your people haven't been oppressed or you're viewed as the oppressor it's harder to form a movement for radical positive change. Men are viewed as oppressors so the default to get a good life for men is to turn the clock back cause we see the past with nostalgia goggles. Minority groups have all faced some oppression so they can look back and see the change or feel the oppression in their daily life. I think a major issue is "political bandwith". People have short memories and if a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 03:28 PM
5	Women's Dating Rules Are Impossible and often Hypocritical Individual women with individual preferences and experiences went on the internet and shared their opinions. Like with most things, the loudest voices won and social dynamics shifted to their demands. You don't know what group each woman falls into until you talk to her but some women don't want be approached at all and some do. A simple simple set of rules to follow are: Is she there because she has be? Don't approach. Is she busy with something or have headphones on? Don't approach. She hasn't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 12:13 AM
1	For many women, dating and relationships are basically a business where they try to make as much profit as possible. Yeah? What's your point?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 06:29 PM
1	Women need to drop their screen addiction and go outside. There was the data the dating apps released and the facebook groups where women literally had to ask are we dating the same man. Also the whole tinder swindler thing. Few men getting attention from a lot of women cause they get a lot of attention from men and gravitate to the best looking options only to get burned cause the individual woman is just as boring as the individual man. It's definitely not all women but it's enough that it's a problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 01:19 PM
-2	For many women, dating and relationships are basically a business where they try to make as much profit as possible. Yes and no. Personal preference is largely selfish and it can be harmful to society. I can't change it, only spread awareness while hoping the message gets through and this is the same for men and women. My view of dating right now is bleak, generally want their perfect guy while not realising that guy might already be taken and then refuse to shift to something more reasonable. Men are scrambling since many women don't even give them a chance while complaining about how all men are trash. Somet…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 01:04 PM
1	For many women, dating and relationships are basically a business where they try to make as much profit as possible. I said this on a different thread but obviously what every girl considers handsome is different and attractiveness goes beyond looks alone. Attractiveness is everything from the guys walk all the way to his smile and dress and what one girl considers a 5 that guys wife might consider a 10. A while ago there was a trend of women saying Ryan gosling was a 7 the guy isn't a 7 but conventional standards but these women thought he's a 7. This is what I mean by attractiveness varying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 12:06 PM
6	For many women, dating and relationships are basically a business where they try to make as much profit as possible. Obviously what every woman considers handsome is different I just shorten it so I'm not writing an essay everytime. What you consider average that woman might think is a 10. Having options usually is about attractiveness, not just looks but the walk, the talk, the dress etc it's the bar that must be passed before personality even becomes a factor. Yeah most women aren't and that's why the struggle when trying to lock down the right guy. The girl wants to feel special but doesn't give back. If th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 11:56 AM
3	For many women, dating and relationships are basically a business where they try to make as much profit as possible. The guy who will do that and attractive enough to have options is already married. Every woman is after that guy so they go off the market quickly. The left over guys are the ones that don't want to settle down and the ones not attractive enough to have a ton of options but have varied personalities, some being more blue pill and some being red.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 11:30 AM
4	For many women, dating and relationships are basically a business where they try to make as much profit as possible. By the guy with enough options that they don't need to wine and dine. The guy with options doesn't need to impress you to get sex so you have to impress him to get commitment. The average guy does but the average guy is boring just like the average woman with a major difference being the average guy has to take initiative. Women like to be passive when dating and that works with average guys, not the 10/10 guy cause he's got options so women have to wine and dine him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 09:40 AM
5	We are ignoring the reality of gender roles here on PPD A guy who wants something more equal will show it in his personality and actions later in the relationship when you move in together but again the relationship doesn't get that far if the attraction bar isn't passed. Also a lot of women tend to ignore problematic behaviour if the guy is attractive enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 01:39 AM
1	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. Combine that with not sleeping with them until they show commitment. If they only want to sleep with you then they'll give up after you delay for weeks on end or make it clear you won't until your certain. If they like you for your personality then they'll at least hang around because they like you. Just make sure to show you're also commitmented in some way like buying gifts or paying for dates so the guy doesn't think you're using him for his money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 01:34 AM
4	We are ignoring the reality of gender roles here on PPD What he's saying is the blue pill only matters when the attraction bar is passed. Being the perfect blue pill man and unattractive doesn't get men a girlfriend while being attractive and at least not a total asshole does. The carrot and stick, reward good behaviour and punish bad. The only issue is attraction means if a guy is perfect personality wise but unattractive he's just as repulsive to date as an ugly asshole. Women tend to punish or reward guys for their attractiveness leaving attractio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 01:29 AM
1	Starting to believe that the man needs to love the woman more If the guy doesn't treat you well you can usually just leave and you certainly shouldn't be having his kids. From where I'm standing plenty of women have broken the I need to give more than my partner conditioning but still end up picking the same type of attractive asshole cause they're trying to make the guy with options settle down. It's the same issue men have. I want a 10/10 partner, oh no they have options so I have to bend over backwards to make myself standout only to get treated like sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 09:44 PM
1	Starting to believe that the man needs to love the woman more You realise there's terrible men and terrible women? It's just that people are bad at telling who is good and who is bad...	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 07:58 PM
2	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. I mean yes and no. Like with all things when personal preference is a factor there's a ton of nuance and niche cases but I think it generally goes like this. For the vast majority of human history women need men but now they don't but the entire male identity has been built on being provider and protector for women regardless of how often men actually become that on the individual level. Now women can choose the men they want which tends to the upper percentile of her chosen niche but every man …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 05:45 PM
4	Women use ‘nice guys’ as a dumping ground for their projections But if I do not want to kiss you on first date, I will tell you exactly that and if the guy is offended that’s on him. Well if the guy gets offended by that then he's an asshole. I don't consider that to be dominating, that's just having boundaries and something everyone should have. When dating I'd consider dominating to be dictating how your partner dresses even if you're not going out with them that day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 05:13 PM
2	Women use ‘nice guys’ as a dumping ground for their projections I think it's more of a dominance thing. Women who know what they want and are vocal about can sometimes end up rubbing up against the male ego. Obviously eveyone is different but the one girl I knew who was like that tended to quite loud and dominating to point where if things weren't don't done her way she'd make it everyone's problem. For this girl specifically it's like she didn't know how to relax. Me personally I'm pretty laid back usually but and don't mind someone else taking charge. At w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 04:59 PM
10	Women use ‘nice guys’ as a dumping ground for their projections I think the issue is there's far less of the women who are willing to teach than the men who need teaching. Most men need some kind of advice but women generally don't want to unless it's something that makes an already good relationship great. I don't understand what you mean by your second paragraph.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 04:40 PM
13	Women use ‘nice guys’ as a dumping ground for their projections You can't learn if you don't practice and that's the core issue. Women don't want to be a practice round for a guy but guys need practice to get good. Guys that instinctively know how initiate and arouse get lots of attention but then don't want to settle down but the ones that did are already married. It's a catch 22 and nobody wants to budge.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 04:07 PM
1	How do you reconcile the leaders being losers? I wouldn't say it knows everything about women but it shows men a side most of society would rather keep a secret. Not an intentional secret but an unconscious socially agreed secret. That being said I think it's important men move out of the anger stage and get to acceptance as quickly as possible	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 02:37 PM
2	When bad boys come on strong, its "love bombing". When nice guys come on strong, they look desperate, clingy and needy Maybe, I don't really have an answer I'm just spit balling ideas but to me the current culture feels like one where everyone is chasing a shadow on the wall and all have a different idea on how to catch it. There's some clear things like consistency and kindness but all of that gets muddled when attraction breaks through the wall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 07:56 PM
3	When bad boys come on strong, its "love bombing". When nice guys come on strong, they look desperate, clingy and needy Ah but then there's also that spark a lot of people are chasing too, you can go on a successful date, share interests and overall have a good time but not feel the spark. You don't get time to show consistency if you chase the spark but the spark requires a certain level of showmanship to generate. Ultimately I think there's a number of competing factors that actually work against each other when people date but most people keep looking for the one person that has them all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 07:31 PM
4	When bad boys come on strong, its "love bombing". When nice guys come on strong, they look desperate, clingy and needy My question is what's the difference between love bombing and genuine attention? I think this whole nonchalant vibe and mind games a lot of people struggle with comes from trying to avoid love bombing or appearing desperate but the pendulum swung too far and now nobody can tell what's genuine anymore cause we're all walking on eggshells.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 06:57 PM
29	A lot of women genuinely don't recognize when they're being abusive toward men Something I said a while ago was "just because a woman hits you and it doesn't hurt doesn't make it alright, if the genders are ever to be equal then eveyone has to stop this kind of stuff". A lot of women are allowed to get away with hitting men because it's normalised but gender equality requires the same consequences for the same actions regardless of gender and more men need to realise it's not ok to let women to hit you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 01:34 AM
4	Men being the ones to initiate is not a failure of feminism It's a catch 22. Although I will say a lot guys approach badly and a lot of women give give terrible hints. Guys having to approach means that if anyone wants a relationship it's on the guy to put himself out there and impress the woman enough to be given a chance. There are also enough guys with low enough standards for almost every woman to get into a relationship despite how flawed of an individual she might be. Women are generally more ok with being single than men, both because they tend of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 12:26 AM
3	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact These conversations happened several months apart so it's not like they intentionally said they all think I'm undateable but In terms of where I would rank myself it was pretty close. It didn't hurt my feelings being ranked low in the masculinity chart cause I already knew that. It wasn't for a while that everything clicked for me and I realised why a lot of women don't want to date me and at that point I'd be bring stuff up from months ago so I just left it alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 07:36 AM
6	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact Specifically with my female friends yes and no We once talked about people we're attracted to a lot of them wanted taller, good looking confident men, so the typical masculine traits. Another time I remember we talked about how masculine eveyone we know were and I ranked pretty low on their chart, not the bottom but lower end and conveniently the guys on the upper end tended to have girlfriends or constantly be in and out of relationships. Girls I ask out it's the usual rejection lines where the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 12:10 AM
3	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact I've been told by my female friends that I'm literally the only guy they're not related to that they'd trust to sleep at their house and not have to worry about them trying something and yeah it feels good to know I am one of the guys women can genuinely trust but that stuff never translates to a relationship. The guys I do see in relationships are the guys women constantly complain about. When I compare myself to them the main difference is that they're just more conventionally masculine than m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 11:36 PM
1	The more we push the me too movement, the more men’s fears are substantiated of false reports for personal gain as the reward to do so is larger. As such you can never “believe all women”. It's an issue but don't go sleeping with random women, vet your partners before you sleep with them and the same advice can be given to women about men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 08:54 PM
1	Men are delusional about how many bad men are out there Most older women will tell younger women to stick to rule, don't fuck a guy just because he's hot and you've felt the "spark". Most women who do so tend to be younger and stupider, while older experienced women say the same shit I'm saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 10:24 AM
5	Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies. Probably but it goes back to the chicken and egg situation. You need experience to get good at something but if nobody gives you chance you can't get good. I really don't see a good way out that makes everyone happy. Women aren't attracted to these men and you can't force attraction. Said men need experience to get at both sex and relationships but they can't get said experience. You just get it or you don't and if you don't you're fucked. Edit spelling	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 12:36 AM
27	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact Man you I think you hit the nail on the head, I feel like I've got to fit this mold to be desirable, while women can be free and still be loved.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 07:35 PM
6	Telling people to be single is a form of mate suppression They have cognitive dissonance. They can't tell their opinions hurt their chances.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 07:17 PM
1	Men are delusional about how many bad men are out there You definitely can do that but most women don't like casual sex, not to say that can't enjoy sex but just don't like going into a relationship expecting more only to used for their body. Edit: it's not full proof but the guys willing to play the long game are a lot rarer and it allows time for the guy to show his red flags before anything happens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 09:10 AM
2	Men are delusional about how many bad men are out there It's the fastest way to find out if a guy is feigning interest just to get sex, if you don't want to do that then trial and error is really the option you're left with. I'm honest enough to say there's plenty of guys who will do and say whatever just to get into a girl's pants and if women want to avoid those guys then denying those guys what they're after is the easiest and fastest way to find out if that's all they want. Otherwise you just end being rejected after the guy got what he wanted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 08:28 AM
1	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. It definitely can give off the vibe that she's not really into him especially if the woman does hook up a lot but suddenly wants to take it slow. I think if a woman who did hook up a lot wants to take it slow it's fine but she'll have to put in some work to assuage those feelings in most guys. Otherwise it's if she doesn't hook up a lot it's just the smart move, she make sure the guy is serious and if turn out to have some red flags then nothing has happened to her. It's overall a green flag in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 12:48 AM
0	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. Only difference with men is they’ll wait till after sex to reject a woman they don’t really like. My advice for women is to always withhold sex for a while to see if the guy is genuinely interested in you or just the sex. A guy just in it to smash and pass will lose interest after a couple dates so holding off as long as possible is in your best interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 11:10 PM
2	Men are delusional about how many bad men are out there Long story short, withhold sex and see if the guy loses interest. If he likes you for you then he probably wants to hangout without sleeping with you but if withhold for weeks and weeks then he disappears then he just wanted sex. Ultimately this only works if you don't hook up often cause then the will guy feel like you don't like him given your history even if you genuinely like him and you'll have to show the attraction in other ways like giving gifts or paying for dates. For men sex is seen a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:16 PM
7	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. Personally I'd say looks are a bar that must be passed to even get a chance, if you don't have them but have a great personality then you're the great friend who will make someone happy one day. Great looks but a bad personality will mean a guy can get laid (which men view as success) but can't keep anything going long-term Generally I think the disconnect comes from what men and women view as success. Women can generally get meaningless sex easily but it also comes with risks so they usually do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 01:25 PM
2	Andrew Wilson's Force Doctrine: Men have a monopoly on force. Thus, the patriarchy will always exist, because women must ALWAYS appeal to men for their rights. It constantly goes back to the fact no group is a monolith, you'll find crazy people wherever you look and I'd argue places like this tend to draw the worst men. When talking about dating it discussion will always go to what people expect in a "good" partner and what people actually choose. Men here constantly bring up bad boys being all that women desire and nice guys left behind because that's often what they see while women often claim that most men a trash. Our perspective and personal exper…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 01:13 PM
1	Men are not approaching women as much anymore and that's a good thing. Obviously no group is a monolith and there are women who want to be approached even if it's just to stroke their ego and other that don't want to be approached at all. The issue is men generally still have to make the first move or we leave it up to the apps and nobody likes the apps.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 05:14 PM
2	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. I think this cuts both ways. If something is a problem you should he able to simply talk about with your partner, if you can't then the relationship is clearly dysfunctional. At the same time you and your partner should he observant towards each other and the all the little things you each do in the relationship. Expecting your partner to just understand without talking about is childish but having to talk sit down and address every issue does get annoying a clear mix of the two is what a health…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 03:18 PM
1	Let's say something nice about the opposite sex. I think major factor is our wording when we talk about the opposite sex. Most of the time people we'll just say women or men when really it's quite literally not all members of that sex but it might be the general trend among that sex or at least the people you've met. Obviously no group is a monolith but when talking on the internet and especially over text you can't read the nuance that comes with facial expressions and body language so we're missing a huge chunk of human communication and you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 11:37 PM
–	Women expanded their gender role to include what women traditionally do and what men traditionally do. A lot of men are rejected by society because they dont want to do anything While I do think that men decentering women is the correct move a thing I think a lot of people miss is that when women decenter men, they can still get a boyfriend without centering men. If men want a girlfriend they have to center women since men have to make the first move and women being generally passive in the initial stages of a relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 11:33 AM
2	The "male loneliness epidemic" is only used as a gotcha Lonely people don't have friends so yeah it only comes up when people talk about them rather than to them...	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 09:31 AM
2	Simps are the problem. Oh yeah you'll find someone eventually if you keep at it long enough but the question of what long enough is totally random.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:53 PM
2	Simps are the problem. Yes but you don't interact with all 8 billion. Lower the number to the people in your local area then subtract how many are already taken for something more accurate on how many fit your standards. Of the women who fit your standards you also need to take into account how many of them would be willing to date you and then you've got your dating pool. Bad behaviour does ultimately poison the dating pool by making others toxic. Ultimately while I do agree with your statement of just don't interact…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:32 PM
0	The hatred for womens romance novels is insanely stupid and hypocritical. Time for the daily "no group is a monolith" some women are shallow as fuck and will not care about anything other than the triple 6s other women will be more sensible and value other traits more. Both groups of women exist and your personal experience is anecdotal and shaped by a myriad of factors I can't be bothered to list	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 04:46 PM
1	Are you afraid of being alone in your twilight years? Hopefully we will find peace with the omnissiah and be embraced in the loving steel of their frame 🙏	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 01:09 AM
2	You're Replaceable Firstly you haven't said anything I disagree with I just like internet debates. Secondly I'm gonna keep playing devil's advocate. When does all this become a show the guy puts on to impress the girl. If he's got to be the cool guy or the "alpha" isn't that what the red pill keep talking about? You've got to wow her possibly even love bomb her just to stand out and at that point, is she in love with you or the experiences you give her? Edit: spelling	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 04:42 PM
4	You're Replaceable I'm yeah that's obvious but to play devil's advocate, very very few people are irreplaceable especially when it comes to the early stages of a relationship. The moments and experiences that form lasting relationships take time and if someone is looking for that "spark" they can just get rid of you before any of those moments of connection even get a chance to form.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 04:09 PM
5	It is entirely possible that humanity NEEDS "losers". Most societies are built on the backs over some disposable lower class. This isn't because said class is needed for society to function but the ultra wealthy need someone to steal wealth from so they can be ultra wealthy. Slaves do the work and don't get paid so their owner keeps all the profit. Wage slaves get paid the smallest amount of money the company can get away with and keep the rest as profit. In both cases neither person is getting what they're owed and the people at the top keep the r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 03:54 PM
3	Need Advice from Women: How can men decenter women and still get regular sex & intimacy, just like women are decentering men and meeting their needs? How can men live like women? That's kinda obvious to me anyway. I got all my female friends by just sharing a hobby and thought the same would work for getting a girlfriend but making sure the relationship doesn’t settle into friendship before I made my intentions clear. This is anecdotal I know but I think it's the main flaw with blue pill. Just being a normal person usually doesn't work for me, friends I get easily, girlfriends take so much effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 12:02 PM
2	Need Advice from Women: How can men decenter women and still get regular sex & intimacy, just like women are decentering men and meeting their needs? How can men live like women? I mean yeah? But then everyone is single unless you're gay. I understand a relationship is antithetical to the goal is decentering the opposite sex but that seems kinda short sighted. Like what's the end game?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 11:35 AM
2	Need Advice from Women: How can men decenter women and still get regular sex & intimacy, just like women are decentering men and meeting their needs? How can men live like women? To focus on yourself and other women uplifting them regardless of what men think?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 11:26 AM
8	Need Advice from Women: How can men decenter women and still get regular sex & intimacy, just like women are decentering men and meeting their needs? How can men live like women? What do mean? If men decenter women and go about their days not caring about what women think is the goal then that's what I've been doing most of my life. I have everything I could want materially and have plenty of friends which I can have deep conversations with but in the current society women rarely approach. If I want a relationship then 99% of the time I have to make the first move which means I can't decenter women and have impress them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 11:22 AM
9	Need Advice from Women: How can men decenter women and still get regular sex & intimacy, just like women are decentering men and meeting their needs? How can men live like women? I think this is the main flaw with decentering the opposite sex. When it comes to women, men will still approach so you can go on with your day and it will just happen. If men also decenter women then nobody approachs and it's all up to the apps. With feminism the idea is men and women act the same and are treated the same, meaning women sometimes act like men and approach people they're attracted to. Women decentering men works for now but men can't decenter women unless women decide to approac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 11:13 AM
2	Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify why men should adhere to gender roles. Holding the door makes her feel special but if she won't hold the door open for men the she's not a feminist	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 02:30 AM
0	Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify why men should adhere to gender roles. Have you asked any feminists this question or just seen clips on the internet? What feminists want is all the other stuff. What your girlfriend wants is to feel special, you pay for dinner one day to make her feel special and if she's a feminist she'll return the favour sometime because it's all about equality. You don't buy dinner for random people, you split the bill. You buy stuff for your other half to make them feel special and they should do the same for you. The trad wife want you to buy …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 02:18 AM
9	Men shouldn’t be labelled as white-knights, or told they only care because they’re trying to “get with” a woman, when pointing out sexism or discrimination That's because you have a moral compass and a lot of dudes on here don't	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 02:00 AM
0	Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify why men should adhere to gender roles. Ok if you're not gonna treat women like equals then you should pay the full bill. The other stuff is more societal and literally can't be fixed by one person and 99.9% of women understand that so they'd split the bill if you helped in the ways a single person can.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 01:49 AM
1	If men take what they can get in dating, then why should women bother with relationships? Yes, they would be willing to sleep with you, be FWB with you or go through the early stages of dating where you figure out if this person has a future with you. It's quicker to just say date than list the 20 variations of we're fucking but not committed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 01:42 AM
4	Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify why men should adhere to gender roles. Feminists want the patriarchy out, that means all genders are equal in all ways. There would no difference in how you treat anyone. Split the bill? Yes Paying the full bill? Yes Open the door? Yes Feel safe walking home at night? Yes Maternity leave? Yes At no point would men think I should do this for a woman? Instead you would think I should do this for a person? You flip the sex and the answers would be the exactly the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 01:26 AM
2	Women should stop acting like a personality detectors and being morally superior Again this seems less like red pill traits and just stuff red pill men have. Like red pill advice says be confident, attractive and masculine. Those traits make people feel better about themselves and when you feel better about yourself you can end up feeling better than other people leading to you being an asshole. To get real, yeah the messaging used in red pill definitely leads to men becoming misogynistic but I think that's down to the people men are listening to and how they say it rather t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 01:16 AM
2	Women should stop acting like a personality detectors and being morally superior Again to plays devil's advocate. Please define assholes	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/25 09:24 PM
2	Women should stop acting like a personality detectors and being morally superior To play devil's advocate for a bit, but none of those are really red pill, they're just traits a lot red pill men share. Maybe I just misunderstand what the red pill is but to me it's about acknowledging that personality isn't the be all and end all of relationships and looks play a major factor in attraction, especially in the initial stages it being the only thing that matters. I view where the red ends and purple begins is how much personality matters. To me purple says that personality matte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/25 09:08 PM
0	If men take what they can get in dating, then why should women bother with relationships? I have deep friendships and I'm super social. I just enjoy debates on the internet	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/25 05:05 PM
0	If men take what they can get in dating, then why should women bother with relationships? Ok yeah I guess I should have picked my language better and not tried to cut corners... Yes men having no standards isn't the only reason women can be so picky. Women generally have not only more friends than men but said friendships are deeper and more fulfilling. Male relationship are shallow as fuck so all emotional labour is put onto women so men desperately need wives and girlfriends to sort through their shit since they're basically alone otherwise. Something something patriarchy stopping …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/25 04:57 PM
3	If men take what they can get in dating, then why should women bother with relationships? It's a consequence of dating dynamics. As a woman basically every guy you show interest in will be willing to date you. You might not get want you want out of the relationship but the option to date is there. For men the option to date usually isn't there so you take the best you can get and try and build something with the resources you have. Women can say no to 99% of guys because there's another option around the corner, when you build the relationship you start with someone who ticks most of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/25 04:13 PM
1	Women are vocal when an allegation comes out but go silent when it’s proven false A man getting offended by misandrist comments doesn’t make him a potential rapist. Stop the gaslighting here. It's like calling a black person a criminal for getting mad at someone who says a lot of black people are criminals. Why yes it kinda is like that but here's the thing, women current have very few ways to hurt men politically or systematically. White people have a history of oppressing anyone that isn't white and continue to do so. Ideally they would stop painting all men with the same b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/25 11:09 AM
-7	Women are vocal when an allegation comes out but go silent when it’s proven false Getting mad just shows you fit into the group of men who might kill them. Generally they aren't talking about you unless you fit the description. The same why police might put together a psychological profile on a suspect they don't have a physical description of. Feminists will usually call men paranoid autistic Incels for being afraid to approach women or interact with women. All men have to do is not be creepy. Only creepy men worry about coming off as creepy to women Feminists aren't a hive …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/25 12:37 AM
-6	Women are vocal when an allegation comes out but go silent when it’s proven false The bear situation is one where you need to step back and realise women aren't talking about you specifically. That feeling you get when you walk through the woods at night wondering if there's someone behind you is women's usual feeling towards random men. I realised that to them the bear is a quicker death than being trapped in a basement for 7 years. Again they aren't talking about you specifically but they don't know you, they have to roll the dice every time they talk to a guy and it only t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 11:57 PM
0	Women are vocal when an allegation comes out but go silent when it’s proven false It makes total sense, women try and draw attention to abusers but when the case is proven false they drop it since the hill isn't worth dying on anymore. Punishment for false accusations is a touchy subject, if the accused is found innocent then the only reasonable lines of thought is she either made it up or they got the wrong guy. Saying she made it up is incredibly harmful since it discourages others from coming forward in the future. Think about male victims, they suffer the same ridicule fe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 11:07 PM
1	Is it a red flag if a man doesn't own a home? That's fair, wanting your own space and all that. I wanted my own space for a long time so I moved out the moment the deal went through, it just looked like a reasonable sacrifice for me. Waiting to get something permanent that I could really make mine rather than having to bend to whims of a landlord and essentially waste money. I guess I should also say I have a good relationship with my parents which seems like a rare thing these days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/25 04:36 PM
1	Is it a red flag if a man doesn't own a home? Personally I view longterm renting as a scam, it makes affordable housing more difficult since landlords buy up multiple properties then rent them out. The tenant basically pays off the mortgage for the landlord and after that it just becomes profit. Renting a house for a holiday is fine or just a room for a couple nights but a person's home being owned by someone else for profit doesn't sit right with me. I moved back home after university and just saved until I could buy a house. Ultimately it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/25 04:06 PM
1	Is it a red flag if a man doesn't own a home? I was assuming you were meeting the imaginary guy for the first time and were considering dating. I understand living with parents can make women worried on if a guy can actually take care of themselves but what's the maximum age living with your parents would acceptable for you personally, assuming said guy is saving for a house and would rather skip renting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/25 03:06 PM
1	Is it a red flag if a man doesn't own a home? Since you got a foreclosure home the bank wanted to get rid of it quickly so that's not gonna be standard pricing. Let's say the guy is 32 and is close to getting something nice rather than a shack. Still an ick? A follow up question would be would you rather the guy have something rundown or small and be a homeowner or live with parents while saving for something nice?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/25 02:35 PM
3	The Minimum "arousal/attraction" threshold MUST be met before one can consider someone a viable dating option - regardless of compatibility. Yes but also humans live in a world where biology doesn't stop us anymore. We can literally genetically engineer people, the only reason we don't is that we don't want to. This is ultimately a social issue, in nature rape is expected, in nature usually the strongest survive, we don't rape women because we don't want to, we take care of the sick because we want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/25 12:13 PM
1	Is it a red flag if a man doesn't own a home? What if the guy was saving for a home, like actually saving and not just saying that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/25 10:52 AM
7	The Minimum "arousal/attraction" threshold MUST be met before one can consider someone a viable dating option - regardless of compatibility. Like someone said earlier in a different comment, male attention is too abundant so women can just break it off without a second thought cause there's another guy around the corner. Those 5% of men you like would probably all consider a relationship with you because male attention is dirt cheap but the same can't be said for men pursuing women. Men usually just have to take what they can get even if the person isn't all that great. I'm not saying you should have sex with someone you don't find a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/25 10:48 AM
3	Q4M: Be honest - wouldn't you feel harassed if a woman told you to smile? The issue is women aren't a monolith and neither are men. Some women want to be approached even if it's just to boost their ego while some don't want to be approached at all. The whole approaching thing is a fucking mess since women as a whole rarely approach men but still prefer to meet someone naturally vs online dating meanwhile the current status quo is for men to not approach which is leading the women who want to be approached screaming from the rooftops saying they want to be approached. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 05:28 PM
3	Women say rejection is apart of life but I feel as if they don’t experience it enough to really understand how demoralizing it is. I won't deny that if you're born ugly you'll have a hard time dating, I'm purple pill not blue. Here's the thing if you're not the elephant man you will find someone if you hit the gym be confident enough to carry on a conversation and kind, a man doesn't have to be good enough for movies but good enough to present to friends. Nobody has inherent value in my eyes, you have to earn value and respect but just being sociable enough to mingle at a party and sharing an interest is the baseline. When …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 08:29 PM
2	Women say rejection is apart of life but I feel as if they don’t experience it enough to really understand how demoralizing it is. If we're doing it about men a better scenario would be he goes off to buy a car and sees his options. Most are out of his price range and a few are really bad a few are really good. He can talk to the dealer and get a discount on a better car but it's difficult and you've got to make them want to give you a discount because you're such a likeable guy it would be such a shame if you had to pay full price. Just rocking up and demanding a car would get you thrown out but if you show up looking good…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 07:16 PM
-3	Women say rejection is apart of life but I feel as if they don’t experience it enough to really understand how demoralizing it is. Yes and no If we assume all the men they meet aren't going to rape or murder them then yes they have it way better than men and that's no contest. The issue is that some men are going to rape and murder them and many men don't know the line between consent and rape. Women face a world where many men would take advantage of them if they got the chance so they've got to selective, they can't take a chance on every single guy that looks their way since it's both exhausting to go on endless dates wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 06:13 PM
2	Men give women too many dating options at the expense of theirselves Meaning?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 03:32 PM
2	Men give women too many dating options at the expense of theirselves From a purely animalistic view, yeah you're right but then why not throw away society altogether and go primal? Kill people born with genetic defects, rape women if you can't find one to willingly procreate with you and keep the weak subservient to the genetically superior people? Humanity moved beyond this the moment we started farming and we should continue to be better than animals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 03:23 PM
1	Men give women too many dating options at the expense of theirselves Considering we're dealing with human relations amongst 8 billion people it's probably both. For every woman who's genuinely too picky, there's probably a man who's too desperate. Ideally, everyone should find their perfect match but more than likely your perfect match isn't a real person but an idea of a person. Women fear men, the reason for this is that there are enough of us harming women to make every woman think 50 times about talking to a guy. In my mind (I could always be wrong) this make…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 02:34 PM
9	Women say rejection is apart of life but I feel as if they don’t experience it enough to really understand how demoralizing it is. I think the second part is true, we hear about the opposite sex's struggles but never experience them, we might be able to empathise but when sweeping generalisations are made from the opposite sex we get offended cause we know we're not like that and they're probably talking about a small but active part of our sex. As a man intellectually I know women aren't talking about me when they say men suck but it still hurts to hear. I don't get offended cause that is their experience but I don't see t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 12:28 PM
2	People can, and should have high standards. Arbitrary reasons regarding a personal idea of social stability or a perceived sense of fairness are not valid reasons to get into a relationship I think the main issue is that most men have little to no standards. Women can be as picky as they want and there's gonna be a man willing to debase himself for her so they can get a sense of entitlement, these are the women you see on TikTok asking for 6ft dudes and all the works. They don't need a personality just looks and that's enough for most men so men look at this and go "women's standards are too high, I'm not that picky" and the argument about standards begins. Feminists and women on h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/25 07:46 PM
–	Attraction is the first thing women have to sacrifice The alpha shit would basically be red pill advice on how men can improve themselves. Work out, display confidence and competence etc, you be a masculine man. The beta stuff is the blue pill stuff that women say, pay attention to her and what she says, be her friend (women's idea of a friend), play the gallant knight and depending on how political the girl is pay attention to feminism. Do both and get good at both most women will think you're amazing and completely overlook height since it's some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/25 06:08 PM
–	Attraction is the first thing women have to sacrifice Oh God no looks are just a barrier to entry on both sides. If you get a chance to show off your personality which is rare unless you meet each other frequently your personality can get you over that initial barrier. The alpha beta mix is what I keep saying in these discussions, you need looks to arouse your partner but personality keeps them around when the butterflies stop but very few people even acknowledge that it is even a possibility and focus solely on blue or red pill talking points when…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/25 04:19 PM
–	Attraction is the first thing women have to sacrifice Women looksmaxx way more than men and complain about beauty standards. Men don't looksmaxx and complain about beauty standards. Let's stop looksmaxxing and go without makeup and all the artificial shit already. The average person is average let's get real and stop chasing the shadow of the 1%.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/25 11:40 AM
2	Men aren't good enough as they are Yeah, you should approach thoughtfully but judging from what women have said most men don't do that. When you approach you don't know if she's been approached 50 times already and is just sick of it or is still open to the idea, you should approach in public places where being there is a choice and encourages open conversation but then you don't know if she's sick of getting approached or is still open to the idea of someone approaching. The idea of her making it clear gets rid of that unknown f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 02:44 PM
2	Men aren't good enough as they are Obviously when women said don't approach the message was done very poorly. What they meant was don't approach unless it's clear I want to talk to you. I don't hate women and you should approach but if men are gonna adopt a simple single rule to follow then don't approach is the safest option both for men and women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 06:44 PM
9	Men aren't good enough as they are I've said this before but simping should be shamed. It pushes women who have nothing to add into the same boat as men. If men stopped simping and acted like women do then the dating world would shift overnight. Women not getting approached is a good thing for many reasons but it also forces them out of the passive role and makes them pursue the men they want and then they'll realise exactly what men have to deal with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 06:00 PM
0	Men should be expected to pay their pregnant partner half the market price of hiring a surrogate + parenthood penalty costs in a 50/50 relationship When you love someone you do stuff because you want to. You hold the door open because you want to, you pay for stuff because you want to, and they have sex with you because they want to. At no point is anyone keeping score of how much they've spent outside of budget planning and if you do keep score you will end up poisoning your own relationship. In every relationship, someone will be slightly better off than the other person and you want to "balance the books" because you want to make sure yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 10:51 PM
0	"Consent" is a thing that more men should reject and more women should enforce according to their respective definition Body language and reading the room is what it comes down to. If you kiss her does she pull away or keep going? If you move further then is she reciprocating and excited or is she hesitant? Most women know that saying no is dangerous so this can often show as them attempting to resist without actually saying no. Make her comfortable read her reactions and if she's not reciprocating then just ask her if she's ok. The fact that you even asked will go a long way to making her feel comfortable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 09:57 AM
–	The cognitive dissonance behind men approaching women is the same cognitive dissonance behind men objectifying women. Let me give an example then. If you spend time wooing your girlfriend that's seduction, you're making her want it, asking over and over until she just gives up and lies there like a dead fish so you stop asking is coercion. In one situation she wants to have sex she'll be enthusiastic to have sex, in the other she won't want to have sex but you keep asking so she just gives up so you leave her alone. Specific examples of seduction might be pampering her, being the gallant knight or even touching…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 12:43 AM
–	The cognitive dissonance behind men approaching women is the same cognitive dissonance behind men objectifying women. There's a difference between being seductive and coercive behaviour and if you can't see that I really can't help you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 08:40 PM
–	The cognitive dissonance behind men approaching women is the same cognitive dissonance behind men objectifying women. Bruh. Coercive consent is still really bad, legally it's not rape but if you won't leave someone alone until they relent that's getting really close to the edge. You should always aim for an enthusiastic yes without having to push and push. Lastly, if your girlfriend isn't putting out enough, talk about it, and if the answer is still no the leave. You can leave a relationship for literally any reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 04:16 PM
2	Women: Why are you unable / unwilling to understand why most men consider "hookup/FWB material" more validating than "husband material" given that you put the FWB/hookup guys in a way more exclusive, privileged, elite club? With mental disorders or abuse, the moral thing is to look past it but most people won't when it comes to your partner. Someone can genuinely change and I believe that someone can become better but here's the rub, men tend to value sex more than women, it's harder for men to get it so we value it more. When someone is known as the local hoe most guys don't want to date her cause of the reputation and shame attached to women's promiscuity and this is still an issue in today's society. Men have to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 04:58 PM
6	Women: Why are you unable / unwilling to understand why most men consider "hookup/FWB material" more validating than "husband material" given that you put the FWB/hookup guys in a way more exclusive, privileged, elite club? If you want a partner, you have to take their values into consideration, and they should take yours into consideration. Generally, men feel bad when they know you made them wait longer for sex than than other men, and it makes them feel like you aren't attracted to them. If you trying something and hating it is one thing, but if a woman consistently has hookups, then makes her future husband wait, then he's gonna feel like shit and wonder if she's just using him and it will take a lot of work to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 10:51 AM
1	The cognitive dissonance behind men approaching women is the same cognitive dissonance behind men objectifying women. The messaging does need improving to focus on consent and stopping men from pressuring women into consenting. Those who drug women or drag them into an alley don't care for a second but the guy who pesters his girlfriend until she gives in should care. Most of the messaging is the lowest form of effort focusing on the most extreme examples and those are wasted effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 10:01 AM
2	If a man tell you to shut-up do you think it’s wise to keep talking The moral thing is for them to walk away but as women say men are emotionally unstable, so they won't walk away they'll blow up and the weaker person will suffer. Pick your battles and most aren't worth dying for. Your pride is making you jump through hoops to avoid saying running is shutting up, you can speak your truth at a comfortable distance or in places where violence is off the table but if you're not in that place shut up and walk away, think of it as a tactical retreat if that makes you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 09:52 AM
2	How many dates should a woman wait to have sex, in your opinion? The way I view it as a man is I don't want to hear later on in the relationship that you previously found someone you liked more than me. It feels bad to know some other man had to put in less effort than me to get the same result. I'd imagine the same is true for women, nobody wants to hear their partner put in more effort for other people meanwhile you're jumping through hoops to keep the relationship going. From a societal angle, women having lots of casual sex makes men as a whole put in les…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 10:05 PM
15	Why are men here surprised that women give attention to men they like? It still sorta is taboo. If an incel (not a misogynist) asks for advice he gets two sets of notes, 1 from men and 1 from women. Women's advice will be all the blue pill stuff but that's half the story. Women's advice is about being a safe person for women to hang around with and will help build a lasting relationship but won't get you laid unless you know the parts they aren't saying. Men's advice tends to be all the red pill stuff and that is controversial but it is still half the story. Men's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 09:47 PM
–	The secret to dating happiness is to limit your options and horizons I feel as though most people are a net negative on each other when it comes to relationships. If you've grown comfortable being single then suddenly you've got half the space, need to cook twice as much and have to cater to someone else's needs even if it's respiracted in a 50/50 relationship the act of stepping out of your comfort zone will lead to it being a net negative until you become comfortable with the person and even then they'll you're still likely to get into arguments of things and i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 02:00 PM