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Do I feel obligated to her? No we're adults who decided to go our separate ways. If we had kids I'd want to be there for them as much as possible cause they're my kids just as much as hers so unless she struggled to take care of them in her new life there wouldn't be a reason to. If she were a stay at home wife then yeah but honestly I wouldn't agree to her being a stay at home wife unless I made a ludicrous amount of money to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:57 PM
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Women should date men that will, women should make it clear what kind of relationship they want and take agency with who they date. Women have the ability to leave relationships easily now so they should use it to leave if their partners aren't pulling their weight. You're expecting men to fulfil their traditional gender roles while leaving yours behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 09:48 AM
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Oh yeah we should, more men should apply women's own standards to them, the only issue is some women seem to feel like it's a personal insult when a guy has a spine and refuses to dance for her affection. Honestly men and women aren't that different, the more men want to shed their gender roles the more I see women acting like incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 09:45 AM
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This is one situations where the first stone was thrown so long ago men and women are just going in circles claiming to be responding to the hate. Men take credit for other men because women judge them based off other men's actions and women judged the same way by men. We see posts and comments calling out the whole sex and judging the group more often than ones that narrow it down. The sweeping generalisations are the reason "not all men/women" keeps getting shouted. It's not helpful to actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 08:52 AM
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Can we pick a lane already, do we judge the group or the individual? If we judge the group then men get credit and blame for the deeds of other men but if we judge the individual then most men haven't done anything good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 08:17 AM
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She's gonna say that it's not institutionalised like the attempt on it's own isn't a red flag to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:09 AM
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When she loses attraction after learning a fact about someone then she has a problem with that aspect of them. If it's that he's bi then she has a problem with bi men, she needs to figure out why. You get feelings for a reason and being self aware is a core part of emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:35 PM
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So a man that's already convinced women aren't as cool as he is isn't going to be convinced by academia or by anything a woman says. His hate is innate and there's likely nothing anyone can do about him. Boomers die and new more progressive generations are born. I understand that so my solution for women is to talk to younger men before the manosphere gets them. I have absolutely never ever in my life seen MRA man call out misogyny. Most men don't publicly associate with the movement because of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 02:59 PM
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Feminism it's self isn't responsible but the wider movment doesn't exist in a vacuum. MRA catch the same heat, the ones that aren't just misogynists have been drowned out by the larger numbers so if they want to be taken seriously they have to put in the work to change how they're perceived. Feminism is in the same boat, if the hardcore ones are to be taken seriously and thus the movment as a whole it's up to them to put in the work. Unfortunately the work needs to be done and the only ones who …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 02:39 PM
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Opening up when everything is alright prepares your partner for a worst case scenario but if actually dealing with them makes them feel motherly it just seems like said women don't know how to provide emotional support to their partners. Caring for my gf doesn't make me feel fatherly, she's my partner not my child.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:09 AM
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It's neutral, when she knows what she wants is great but having to reasure her isn't a bother for me. It doesn't make me lose attraction to a woman if anything I like knowing she feels safe around me. My gf has anxiety and reassuring her insecurities or helping her calm down doesn't bother me, it seems like women have an issue with providing that emotional labour to their male partner. From my perspective it kinda just reinforces that stoicism that the manosphere keep talking about is leads to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:26 PM
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Feels like women might have their own Madonna whore thing going on then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:15 PM
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I think society just hit a point where we don't need each other anymore so really now we're just airing out our grievances with our respective gender roles while simultaneously downplaying the grievances the sex has and trying to keep what little benefits those gender roles give us. Men and women are just the same shit in a different body.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 01:34 AM
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Yes and no Every women is different and even on this sub I've seen women getting into arguments about gender norms for women such as paying for dates. I categorise them into groups and guess what each group wants but even then each woman will differ on topics. I know which group of women I prefer for partners and filter out the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 01:12 AM
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So men dont care about what women think or are but what other men think or are Again yes and no People care how they are perceived and try to confrom to gender norms. Men care about looking masculine to avoid ridicule like women care about looking feminine to avoid ridicule. Men don't care if a woman is confident or competent because those things are seen as masculine while women just think these things are supposed to be something any adult should show. The degrees at which people are expected …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:27 PM
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Yes and no I think women on some level do care and how much they care varies with each woman. I think they care because they're raised in patriarchy to value certain things in men and those things are the same things men get ostracised or mocked for not lacking. You can see it people's preferences for partners, something like confidence backed up by competence typically being viewed as masculine traits even through they're not exclusive to men. Men aren't too bothered about how confident or comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:08 PM
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White people are responsible for slavery. Are all white people guilty? Do you really think its reasonable for an oppressed group to cater to the feelings of the oppressors? Cater is the wrong word. It's not catering it's being practical. You want the oppressors to understand your plight? Then talk to them like humans who can actually sympathise. When you come at them with aggression you get aggression back. Doesn't matter that the ones in power started it you have to end it That or actually figh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:03 PM
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When you start a conversation by accusing someone of something they haven't done they become defensive, they want to prove their innocence like anyone would. You change the conversation that would be you explaining a terrible thing and getting to agree with you and now you have a room full of people trying to prove they aren't what they say you they are. Suddenly the topic isn't being discussed anymore as each person is trying to prove their innocence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:03 PM
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It's all about gender roles when women have something to gain
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:39 PM
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Not really a conscious choice, you are measured and measure yourself unconsciously most of the time and without a win you can only tell yourself to get over it so many times. In a dating context someone who's never had a girlfriend/boyfriend is thought of as weird and unless they never really tried repeated rejection will get at them. No amount of friends or family will remove the notion that they are undesirable, sure they might be desirable as a friend but without that someone confirming that …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:12 PM
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Kinda You can have friends and family and still be lonely it's not a cure all. Someone with a rich social life but lacking confidence in themselves because they've tried and failed repeatedly at something will feel like a failure and if that failure comes from a lack of intimacy then they will be lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:24 PM
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Honestly yeah, during my college years I ran into a few women that poisoned my view of feminism into women who just hate men. While I understand that there are injustices women face antagonising the people you want to internalise your message will only make them view you and what you represent as the enemy especially if the individuals you target have zero personal involvement with the issues you face. Now not all feminists did this but there was also the right wing media running their own propa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:18 PM
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Remember that we're dealing centuries of social programming Men traditionally went out and worked, brought home money that women couldn't earn while women did all the domestic labour. Women earn their own money now but we're taught and fought for that over the last 100+ years Men are just starting to catch up to the new social contract and realising they need to move out of that too. Women are realising men moving out of that will mean men will demand more from them at the start of a relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:28 AM
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At the end of the day if it works for you then keep at
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 08:00 PM
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It's a barely a filter. There's a 1000 different angles to courting on a first date and who pays has several different angles you can tackle that question from. You might find a generous man or you might find a guy who wants to treat women like it's the 1950s. Same goes for splitting the bill, you might find a guy who doesn't want pressure women by making her feel like she owes him or you might find a stingy guy. Everything else around the date matters far more. Does he ask about your interests,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:09 PM
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Again paying for one date won't guarantee a guy will be generous but neither will the conversation, having the conversation earlier will just mean that if you do get screwed over you won't have to wait around to talk things out and just leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 06:46 PM
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Yeah but there's ways to start a conversation that don't come off like you're accusing your partner of something. Find one and hash things out, if they blow up at you then you know they're someone who isn't mature enough to even have serious conversations let alone listen to your needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:59 PM
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No because you're discussing your future and how the household would be managed. A couple that can't have a discussion like that is doom to fail whenever something needs to be discussed. Maybe something like "I want to talk about the division of labour" or "how do you expect things to be when it comes to chores"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:52 PM
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It's a possibility but then you should just talk about it even on that first date there's no need to dance around the subject in fact if you talk about it you have him on record stating his intentions and you can see if he follows through. A man could just as easily pay for that first date have no intention of helping with the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:26 PM
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Just like you claim women use you as an ATM, he is attacking his wife Key difference is that is his wife not a total stranger you're meeting for the first time. On a first date I don't know you and you don't know me, we owe each other nothing. The wife who's given birth to your children is owed your effort and attention. That guy had issues I don't dispute that but from that story I can only assume they never discussed how their lives would change after the kids cause few people do. This is why …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:58 PM
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You'd see they don't pull their weight in domestic labour when you live together and honestly you should discuss the division of labour in a household so you aren't caught off guard. Paying for a single date does not reveal ones entire character, you should see how he treats the servers, if he goes above and beyond for you once the relationship is established, if takes care of you if you're sick etc. One payed bill is a poor measurement for generosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:40 PM
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Unfortunately there's a lot of bad people out there and we all have to filter them out and if filtering them out by splitting a couple bills offends you then you're just like the men who get mad when women protect themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:30 PM
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Don't know about op but it's not resentment it standards. Wanting someone who isn't gonna treat you like an ATM and actually values you for your personality with all the other stuff being extras that go on top and not the basis for the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:26 PM
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Men pressure women Women do what they can to keep themselves safe Edit: If she's gonna get blamed anyway she should just do what's in her best interest and keep herself safe. Why appeal to people who are just gonna blame her anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:47 PM
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And she should take every precaution she can, she should do whatever she needs to feel comfortable, a guy who understands the life of a woman wouldn't go into a frenzy if she protects herself. I take no issues with women protecting themselves because I know I'm not the guy she needs protection from. Yes it's slightly hurtful to see women treating me like a threat but I'm used to it and it actually doesn't effect my quality of life so more power to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:41 PM
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So she should listen to the feminists and split the bill so she can retain control of the situation. A guy can't pressure her without any leverage without taking off the mask.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:35 PM
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My personal issue is women usually don't reciprocate until later in the relationship. If someone has to put in so much effort without being shown any back then they should leave. Women should make it clear when they like a guy and show the same effort he shows them. If it's splitting the bill on the first date then cool if it's gifts or gestures then also great but don't be passive otherwise a guy with a spine will go elsewhere because he didn't get the same effort back. Low effort first date to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:22 PM
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But you only date them who give you money first so that's a lot closer to prostitution than dating a guy because you like his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:10 PM
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Yeah I agree men should lower their physical standards and focus more on personality. I think men should also focus on finding a girl that makes them feel special. I think women have a lot to unpack when it comes to how they view masculinity male gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:30 PM
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I'm telling you no you've got your reasoning wrong. Also if we hadn't discussed this already or we had agreed no kids and I was taking responsibility would that actually be an issue? Better than just initiating every night and expecting her to keep track of everything. If I keep my lust in check because I we aren't ready for the consequences isn't that a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:53 AM
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Really no, never once checked if she was pregnant. It wouldn't be the end of the world as we both have money saved up and my parents have been begging for grandkids would move mountains for them. Pregnancy wouldn't be an issue for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:41 AM
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No I keep track of her cycle cause I know she gets really bad period cramps but she doesn't want to make a big show of it and would rather just keep quiet. I keep track of it so I make sure I know when to turn up the love and support so I can do what I can to make her life a little easier. We've discussed kids already and we don't mind having them now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:38 AM
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No actually, never with far with previous girlfriends cause they didn't make me feel special. Gave them gifts, spent time with them but listened to them but really I acted like most guys and just went with the flow. She makes me feel special, so I make sure feels special too. Edit: Never wrote previous girlfriends poems or kept track of their cycle or seriously keep track of what they liked cause I honestly didn't care to and I realised after learning from women the reason I didn't care is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:13 AM
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Oh no my gf gets my best but she had to go through the vetting process. I've written her peoms, gotten her limited edition handbags, and pay attention to everything she likes so I can surprise her on random days when she least expects it. I even know when her period rolls around and make sure she has everything she needs. Getting that out of me requires vetting now and that vetting requires you show me that you're worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:51 PM
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Nobody is forcing men to do anything. That was my point Never said forced just said it's expected, like it's expected for women to have kids. Nobody holds a gun to your head and tell you to do it society expects you to none the less
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:48 PM
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I learned that lesson and so I vet them with low effort. I she likes my personality she sticks around but if she wants me as an ATM she sees I'm not the one for her
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:44 PM
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Never said I was, I'm just another face in the crowd making their way through life just like you. Also forgot to mention that no I'm not not alone I have a gf who did make me care so made sure to make her care.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:37 PM
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And you think that bothers me? I'm not doing it for their sake
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:12 PM
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Yeah and when you're a stranger I don't care about you just like you don't care about me. You want me to care? Show me what there is to care about, I value my peace and women actually have to try with me because I'm not god damn desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:09 PM
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Ok not all women said they don't want to be house wives I should have made that clear but each woman has to decide what they want. If they want to be a house wife and be traditional then there's no issue with men being traditional but if women don't want to be traditional then they shouldn't expect men to be traditional both in the beginning of a relationship and later.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:43 PM
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Multiple factors such it's expensive to repeatedly pay for dates that go nowhere, it gets exhausting to repeatedly try and earn women's affection. Personally I keep things low effort for bit to vet if she even likes my personality. I'll plan a date, make conversation, split the bill and if she is down for another then I'll offer to pay for the second. Women want romance but don't give it back until later in the relationship but expect men to constantly give 100% into each new girl like she's the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:22 PM
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I expect you are too. We all have to muddle through life and it can get messy. Oh most definitely but I try not to be We all have things to get over in ourselves. It is called maturing. Men do not fit the fantasy either. Men are supposed to be a Prince with a glass shoe that fits me and where is that happily ever after? Well the common narrative for women would be go get that prince and accept nothing less the double standard says men should accept her as she is. If getting over it means you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:03 PM
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Tests are not infallible and some STI ‘s don’t manifest until later. Your “ logic” overrides common sense. Then stop having sex if you're so worried about STIs or accept that with every possible precaution you can still get fucked over. Birth control isn't 100% effective, does that stop you? You already accept more risks but don't want to take more precautions... Not once had I seen a LGBTQ person harassed or condemn for their dating choices. Just straight women. Almost like 99% of the people sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:49 PM
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At this point in the gender war men and women have said everything under the sun and tried to make something people do into a gendered thing so honestly I'd just prefer it if we stopped trying because we all actually are shit and really not that mentality different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:43 PM
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Oh I'm not saying it doesn’t happen to men and women but people the narrative has been men should accept when women don't fit the fantasy and get over it but seemingly it's totally fine for women to not get over it and end the relationship because her man doesn't fit her fantasy. OP's statement calls out men like this a gendered thing which draws attention to the double standard. There's also the narrative that you can end a relationship for whatever reason which conflicts with the idea that men…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:37 PM
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So how do you discriminate, be prejudice towards something invisible? Some ppl like to play victims when there’s no one to fight. No I judge each person as they are and by their actions. Total blank slate until you fill it in, if I make assumptions I try remind myself that oh yeah my prejudices are showing and shut up and let the person fill in the blanks. Even then I'm not perfect but you know what I can actually look in the mirror and admit when I'm wrong. I couldn’t care less how they present…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:05 PM
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Do women act any different? From talking with a couple women in recent bi sexual men post it seems like women have a fantasy of men and when that fantasy is shattered they lose attraction. It just seems like it's socially acceptable to reject men for breaking that fantasy and not socially acceptable to reject women for breaking that fantasy. Obviously it's not all women and it's not all men but I think people who lose that attraction when that fantasy is broken never loved their partner and actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:08 PM
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Not dating bi men is not prejudice. Not dating them because they have feminine mannerisms is not being prejudice. Mannerisms and how a man talk and carry himself is a big part of attraction. You really did just out yourself there. A bi man can be extremely masculine and have masculine mannerisms just like any other man. Being bi is invisible like I stated earlier so really you're just guessing a man's sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:00 PM
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Yep I had a pretty huge disappointment after reading into feminism and actually agreeing with it when I realised most women aren't feminists but borrow the language to virtue signal or are too blind to realise their hypocritical views. The patriarchy rebranded itself while giving the smallest concessions and women bought in. Now they're working the same jobs as men without the benefits of being a man. Ps. And men are stuck upholding our traditional roles while the same women shouting the loudest…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:17 PM
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if a woman can’t find what she wants then it’s on her to adjust or be ok single and women ultimately are doing that. Yes but don't go complaining about how the bar is in hell because this is ultimately a you issue. Anyone can have their standards but don't go forcing them on others. When I talk about dropping them I mean the women who complain about men. You do you when it comes to finding a partner but don't make it everyone else's problem. If you haven’t met women who are ok with their men exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 05:05 AM
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Oh yeah but they give leniency but in all the wrong places. They accept abuse but refuse men being open about their feelings, it's basically just patriarchy (who would have guessed). Where women need to up their standards are the place they have them low and the place they need to drop them are the place they have them high.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 04:14 AM
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Which honestly just says you never loved them and loved the fantasy. Sure a person can change and I reckon a fair few people do change over the marriage but I think women need to try harder to love their man and not the fantasy and that will come with a lot of uncomfortable truths and if that ends the relationship then it was better gone anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 04:01 AM
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On that we can agree
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:52 AM
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For women especially a lot of our attraction comes from the version of our bf/husband/crush/etc that is in our head Then it sounds like you don't love them and just the idea of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:48 AM
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Sure I'll accept that answer even if I don't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:37 AM
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The thought of my man specifically performing gay sex is gross. Ok so you find gay people gross... That it you don't have to have sex with them but you find them gross
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:26 AM
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You said it was is off putting. You said it's off putting, why is it off putting? What about it gives you an ick?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:18 AM
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So what about also liking men puts you off? Explain it to me
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:14 AM
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Men having sex with men is fine but not if it’s my man So yes your partner's past does matter even if he's loyal. It's funny to see a bunch of the women in this sub pull a total 180 when it comes to this stuff when it's their turn to be accepting and get over their own insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:25 AM
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Ok so define what you mean by flavour
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:45 AM
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And does your partner's past matter to you so much even if they're actually loyal?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:04 AM
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How is homophobic saying it's more likely for one to get diseases by anal sex? it's not only about being a man, on both genders it's more likely if you have anal sex Then the question you should ask your partners is if they've had anal in the past or to get tested since being bi clearly isn't the issue... That will simply be more common for gay men because they mostly have anal sex, without condoms since they can't get pregnant, so more likely for it to spread too. If you're worried about diseas…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:07 AM
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And what is the difference between a straight man and bi man other than their sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:46 PM
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On average, men who have sexual relationships with other men are more likely to get diseases And that is rooted homophobic rhetoric like the AIDs epidemic. Men, by statistics, also cheat more than women, so by this view you can indeed have the perception that bi men will cheat more. The key word being MEN not bisexual men. If MEN cheat more they should swear off MEN. They are making assumptions about a marginalised group and should be called for such bigotry
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:45 PM
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Said features won't hurt but often they're influenced heavily by your culture and surroundings, I'll give India as an example. They have a caste system so despite the majority of people from there being darker skinned lighter skin is seen as beautiful, now add on colonialism from a nation ruled by white people basically reinforced the old beauty standards. Does this mean no Indians like dark skin? No but their society values lighter skin so people generally will find it attractive. Most of your …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:25 PM
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Why there is men who aren't into women of their same age (especially an old man with an old woman)? why there is men who aren't into women of certain races or with certain features? Exactly they're physical features, you see them and something in your brain doesn't like them before you even know anything about that person. Being bi is invisible, it's a fact about a person that doesn't change anything about them. What you're going to tell gay men who get mad at bi men wanting to date women? they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:33 PM
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So what is so terrible about being bi that turns an otherwise perfect man in your eyes into an ick? Put it in words so I can understand cause watching from the sidelines it looks like deep rooted homophobia
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:16 PM
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I'm a straight man so if women want to keep patriarchy around then it's their loss but if we're gonna get rid of it then at least do it properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:13 PM
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Let me ask you one question that no woman here wants to answer for some reason. What is so terrible about being bi that turns an otherwise perfect man in your eyes into an ick?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:52 PM
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They don't want to admit they have prejudices and also uphold patriarchy in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:15 PM
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Again it's not about you fucking bi men, you're trying to say this is about women being forced to have sex with bi men. This is about women recognising their own prejudices, what they do once they recognise them is up to them. Why do they does a man being bi upset them so much? This question always get avoided and at this point I just think they don't want to out themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:21 PM
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Yes and my question which every woman never likes to answer is why does he give you the ick or make you insecure? What about being bi is so terrible that it turns a man that would OTHERWISE be perfect, not perfect? Edit: I'm asking women to use that emotional intelligence and look in the mirror and figure out if they're bigoted or not. If they are then fine, own it and stop pretending like you aren't. It would make this whole gender war go a lot faster if people were honest about their opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:35 PM
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Biphobia is a social justice matter. You’re conflating personal intimate matters with social constructs You dodged the question to shift blame... But do you seriously think what people socially doesn't affect their intimate lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:32 PM
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Otherwise perfect, can anyone read? They are all valid to the person with the deal breaker. Yes you don't have to date anyone you don't want to but you can still be a bigot while doing it, the two aren't mutually exclusive and dating isn't fair. I just want to highlight the bigotry, what women do with that knowledge is up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:28 PM
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I don’t like bodybuilders Being bi is invisible and instead of just owning that they're bi phobic try to shift the blame. If a guy is your perfect man then you learn he is bi, you don't like him now that you knkw the fact he is bi. Figure out why that is and why it upsets you so much. Why does a man being bi upset you so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:37 PM
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Probably with a lot of guys here. As for me I first saw a few posts like this one and women coming out of the wood work repeating the same arguments as the guys who don't like women with a past.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:09 PM
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I said otherwise perfect as in the guy is would be perfect apart from this one thing she takes issue with
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:07 PM
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Not really but it's an honest request in my book and let's be honest here anyone who said no to getting tested wouldn't be sleeping with you anyway so this is really people grasping at straws and refusing to take some agency. Edit: In fact more women should fucking ask and if the guy gets mad about you taking a basic precaution for your own safety you'd catch him before you're in a vulnerable position.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:06 PM
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Less about fucking you and more about exposing the subtle bigotry everyone has. You don't have to fuck bi men but understand the reason behind why it would a deal breaker in an otherwise perfect guy it and if it is rooted in bigotry or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:28 AM
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If you're worried about diseases then you would ask ALL your partners get tested before you sleep with them and again after they sleep with someone other than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:11 AM
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Yeah that's that I think the rest of the chat shows you aren't consistent with your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:15 PM
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So intent doesn't matter only the damage
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:03 PM
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I don’t see a need to change anything, women rightly get punished less because they’re not inflicting as much damage and murder So back to a pervious statement. If I used 50% of my strength to hit my partner but she uses 100% of hers does that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:01 PM
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The difference is in severity based on physical strength and intent Still curious what is the difference in intent? Why do we have to do anything about it ? So far haven't heard anything that needs to be changed at least where the law is required.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:50 PM
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Where did I say it’s not DV? You got the there So educate me what is the difference and what should we do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:24 PM
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A punch from a man and from a woman are not the same. And hospitalization rates reflect this If they're not the same then what is the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:13 PM
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Inconsistent but not lying or manipulative. It's more said women don't understand. In my college years I interacted with a few and they poisoned my perception of the movment until I put in my own work and found out I actually agree with it but not their view of it. I understand patriarchy benefits men and most men uphold it in some way and at the same time women uphold it in their own ways. Patriarchy also hurts men but not to the same degree it hurts women. Patriarchy molds our preferences in p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:10 PM
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True it's just that her wording left things very open
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:41 PM
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Sure in that case unconditional love is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:38 PM
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A punch from a man and from a woman are not the same. And hospitalization rates reflect this So if someone hits me and doesn't me in the hospital it's not DV or it's not as bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:25 PM
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When you understand what feminism is and means it is but most people don't so using the language without the understanding actually does a lot of harm to the movement. Why do you think so many men think feminists are crazy? They talked to one who didn't understand the difference between patriarchy and men then factor in all the manosphere shit purposefully trying to make them look crazy has succeed in poisoning the PR of the movment to a lot men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:21 PM
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Often times because the language used to criticise patriarchy by the average "feminist" uses "patriarchy" and "men" interchangeably.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:20 PM
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True. I'll copy something I said in another post. "This one of those things where there's a 1000 aspects to it so we could be here all day." Let's a partner falls ill and needs the other, the vulnerable partner needs the other while the same isn't true the other person. They could leave but don't and they don't abuse their position as the stronger partner. That is unconditional love. To love and care for them in consequence free environment when you could abuse your power. Good unconditional lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:41 PM
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Nuance. Water is healthy but too much will kill you Oxygen is needed but to much will kill you When you take anything to an extreme it's bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:46 PM
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This one of those things where there's a 1000 aspects to it so we could be here all day. Dependency isn't love when it comes to the more vulnerable partner, it can only be tested when one person is in a stronger position but doesn't abuse it. Let's a partner falls ill and needs the other, the vulnerable partner needs the other while the same isn't true the other person. They could leave but don't and they don't abuse their position as the stronger partner. That is unconditional love. To love and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:45 PM
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Unconditional love is nice because you know the person loves you and wouldn't run the moment you stop handing them things. As for me I have zero intention on abusing that love but it's nice to know if I am injured my partner won't just run. Conditional love says if you stop X then the relationship is over. It sounds cruel when you leave X open to interpretation but X could just mean "loving me". Unconditional love sounds pleasant but leave someone open to abuse. When you take both their literal …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:54 PM
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So it's ok to hit someone if they're not injured?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:07 PM
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This is where we disagree. People should for what they can not just men. Men payed in the past because women couldn't earn as much as men now they can so they should and in exchange men will pick up more of the domestic labour. Edit: obviously there's going to times where one person vastly out earns the other and the split between monetary expenses vs domestic labour should reflect that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:58 PM
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True. The way you worded it made it sound like your husband payed for everything (I assumed he made an average income) and you just refused to spend your own money on something as basic as electricity. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:52 PM
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God you should have started with that cause before you sounded entitled and refused to pay for anything just because you were a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:41 PM
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Oh no I'm talking about your husband who unfortunately doesn't see that you won't have his back if he falls
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:26 PM
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People with a spine leave leaches to fend for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:00 PM
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Jesus fucking christ you sound toxic. I'd wager most people with a spine would have just left and got 50/50 custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:57 AM
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Most comments to OP get lost in the sea but you always see the top comment so really it's just survivor bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:10 PM
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Ultimately both are true, definitely there's some conditioning both biological and societal but it's up to you to break it and choose a better life. Men choose to end up ostracised by society or in prison. This is a touchy one cause that is how society treats you and at can heavily be out of your control depending on where you live for example being brown or black in the USA can land you in a concentration camp or shot through no fault of your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:21 PM
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This is a debate sub thinking is kinda the point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:40 PM
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Usually people mark down what they've edited. There's a reason most messaging services and even reddit note when a comment had been edited. And honestly you give the vibes of someone who would be that petty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:35 PM
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Poem or some letter don’t even cost any money but you wouldn’t even think of it/say it in a first place. Why? Cause it costs TIME and is actually personificated towards this one woman. Like I said you aren’t doing that much. Nice edit Yes I have written poems for my girlfriend, I could send you one of them if you want proof 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:30 PM
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It’s not my fault. It’s just men by default want the cheapiest way possible. So you'd accept less and not just leave? If someone doesn't meet your standards you should leave. They would not have me at all, that’s my standard. Well done you've taken some agency in your life. Don’t act like you’re doing so much, cause you buy flower, it’s pathetic. Again gave one example and you think that's all I do. Sure I'll give more examples now. When talk I listen to the stuff she likes and take notes for la…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:40 AM
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Like men want flowers. Please. I would gladly give flowers. I would prefer it than doing a meals EVERY SINGLE DAY, caring for his clothes and looks, singing for him (Yes, that’s nothing new), saying compliments daily and „physical touch” (means sex) cause blow job etc it’s actually what men consider romantic. Then up your standards. Make it clear that you want 50/50 but don't be surprised if it means you find a man who wants you to take on some of his traditional roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:10 AM
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Nice edit 😃😃😃 A man? 🤣🤣🤣 Boy, all you said is buying a flower. Don’t act like men do more in a relationship, that’s the joke for most of the normal people 😂😅 I gave flowers as a basic example because women get them often but men never get them. Men getting gifts, treats and effort early is special because we only experience it later in a relationship. Bespoke gifts and acts of service are wonderful but on a first date when you don't really know a person are kinda difficult to get. Sure we'd all …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:46 AM
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I don't throw out women's concerns I'm just asking you don't throw out men's but if that's too much for you then you aren't ready for equality Edit: Also the times I do get flowers for a girl they would be her favourites and wouldn't be for a date but something random to brighten her day a little without being prompted
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:44 AM
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You don’t have to feel safe with women, nothing’s gonna happen to you😂😂 . At worst you pay for dinner. Are you joking? Clearly you haven't had to deal with a crazy woman before... I want emotional and physical safety just like women I'm applying women's standards to them and notice how you're reacting like all the men who tell women to get over it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:38 AM
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Nope 1 girl and I intend to fill the effort gap on the back end so I expect her to fill the gap on the front
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:32 AM
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I don’t think you’re the type of men who would I consider romantic. Sorry. Wasn't trying to date you... The think is first move belongs to man- as generally speaking women are more attractive sex. Not even bother with that I’m not gonna feel much love towards a mam who shows me „you’re good for now” or wait as I „deserve” it. So basically you’re romantic- I feel safe and show happily my romantic side too You want them to show romance so they feel safe and men want the same so. This is a game of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:29 AM
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Men as a whole but women aren't dating the entire male population they're dating one guy and should date like he will fill that or they leave
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:40 AM
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Honestly women put more effort in the actual relationship (in general and on average) so I don’t think it’s that bad a deal for men And women have complained about the unpaid labour that they do. If men are going to step up and close that gap then women need to step up and fill the other gap. Besides even if men aren’t getting flowers bought for them don’t date people who don’t make you feel special - there are so many ways to be made to feel that way and most of them are free Oh yeah I complete…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:13 PM
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Some people just don't care about flowers but my main point was men are expected to build the relationship and often women only put in effort afterwards. Men's bar for romance is low because we don't get such treatment until the relationship is already established but women are accustomed to getting such treatment early. Women often want more out of men without giving the same back. The example of flowers is something men rarely get but women class it as low effort because it's something women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:23 PM
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Do you show the effort back? My complaint is that I'm expected to show effort but I don't the same back. Like no shit I'd like flowers, most men only get them we die the first and last time I got flowers was 10 years ago off my own mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:33 PM
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The attraction to tall men isn't bad (unless you have an issue with men not being attracted +size women) but expectation of male gender roles while expecting female gender roles to be abolished is. You should be free to confrom or not to your hearts content but expecting others to confrom while you do not is hypocritical. Often things like men paying is seen as normal but from talking to many women on this sub (#not all women) asking to split the bill is seen as loser behaviour. That is expectin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:06 PM
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Most people are a mess of contradictions. You desire tall men and want them to work for your attention but in practice that is traditional a gender role for men while you simultaneously hate traditional roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:59 AM
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That's the issue there isn't a good way to see who is safe outside of taking it super slow. The moments where you see a person's character can't be forced outside of using heavy manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:41 PM
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Yeah that literally what narcissism is, they project confidence because they're deeply insecure. What I'm saying is if you're looking for confidence you don't filter out narcissists thus using confidence as a filter for safety is flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:25 PM
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Narcissists tend to be confident and will likely abuse their partners for not feeding that ego. They will often demand the same behaviour as insecure men but will radiate confidence. Confidence is not a good metric for telling who is safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:05 PM
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If you wanted to do it but don't feel the same attraction then why are you with the other guy? Why wouldn't you feel inadequate or insecure when you get told I like x but don't feel the attraction with you? You've literally been told I liked this other guy more than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:10 AM
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And this is the logical conclusion, you get guys who are willing to accept lesser treatment while the guys who stand their ground don't want you either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:16 AM
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As you should but men with standards want the same back so the middle ground is splitting the bill until the you're both sure you want to go all in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:13 AM
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And men with standards want the same treatment back. A relationship is give and take so if you don't give something back then what point is there for them to date you? It would literally be better for them to stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:10 AM
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Are you living in the 1930s? Are you living in the middle east where women can't work? Do you want equality? Do you simply not want to work and would rather be a stay at home wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:04 AM
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Then don't have kids or don't take maternity leave. The corporations don't care about your personal life and if you make a personal decision that put you out of work that reflects badly on your career. Men usually don't get maternity leave so that decision doesn't reflect on men. If men got maternity leave then it would be the people who are either child free or didn't take maternity leave advancing in their careers. The company wants people who prioritise them for higher positions and if you ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:58 AM
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I've already up them. I accept nothing less than my ideal partner. My current gf fulfils all my criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:43 PM
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So what is the difference between your bare minimum and your ideal partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:26 PM
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Men's bare minimum is way lower than women's. When women say bare minimum that's someone most men would jump for in a heart beat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:21 PM
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Again bad wording on my part. Bare minimum is the lowest you'd accept for a long term relationship. Trash fire wasn't the correct phrasing but they still aren't your ideal partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:19 PM
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Never said bare minimum was great, it's the trash fire you select because you're desperate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:08 PM
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Kinda goes into attractiveness, if you smell bad it's no
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:51 PM
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No, hygiene is a question of do they shower while cleanliness is more a question of is the counter top clean and are there old clothes on the floor. There's obviously gonna be some crossover like when things start to get so bad it becomes a hygiene issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:39 PM
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Yeah that's the issue everyone has their own definitions and should work off the actual definitions off the wiki For me bare minimum would be someone who loves me and my personality while also being attractive enough. The relationship can work but won't be smooth sailing and probably would require semi frequent discussions about chores or annoying behaviour because I haven't filtered for those with bare minimum standards. When it stops being bare minimum for me is when you start filtering for an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:39 AM
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Both can be true at the same time. The bare minimum should be the bare minimum by definition and when you add things on top it stops being the bare minimum. When you go for the bare minimum your partner won't be perfect and will have flaws. Choosing better kinda implies not going for the bare minimum. Lastly men aren't a monolith and don't all agree just like women aren't a monolith. Different people have different standards so the guy complaining about the bare minimum probably isn't the same g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:50 AM
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What I mean is there are 3 kinds of people. Those that do nothing, Those that are good and Those that are evil. Most do nothing but that doesn't make them evil, they either lack the effort or understanding to make a change. I think most men lack the understanding that there is a problem they see the posters and think "I'm not that guy" because their understanding is lacking. The gender war paints them with the evil brush when they do nothing but they can see what evil looks like and it's current…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:12 AM
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." This is where I stand. I can't force you to do anything nor do I want to. But evil is gonna be evil, it takes work to be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:58 AM
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That's your choice then
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:55 AM
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Depends how deep he is. If he's living with parents or in a community that reinforce the idea then he never had a chance but the teen boy living a normal life who falls into it because he looked for advice on girls can be. Irl contacts will always be more powerful than people online especially if you're open to confronting the messaging or the hard questions. Let's the the boy you're teaching asks about something he saw on a podcast. Don't get angry at him but systemicly pick apart each point. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:49 AM
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Again the system won't change unless the victims make it change. Cops are gonna continue to be cops until the victims build enough of a movment to make them change. It's an uphill battle, it's always an up hill battle but it won't change unless you put in the work. Talking to 1 young man in your life is very easy it's why I suggest it. It's not like running a campaign or organising a march but it's scalable. If every woman had the same deep conversation with 1 young man than I think it would do …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:20 AM
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When it comes to men's day to day behaviour towards women you can. I said women should talk to the younger men in their lives and explain women's fears around men. The goal would be said men don't go red pill, learn consent and about the everyday trials of being a woman. Essentially when they grow up they wouldn't be the guy women worry about, scale this up across a population and slowly the new generation of men would be better than the current generation. Ideally when it comes time to vote tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:59 AM
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It is a collective issue but unfortunately the victims have to work to change it because it won't change itself. Men won't change if women don't work to make men change. Again you are well within your rights to avoid men if you want to but then the problem doesn't go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:33 AM
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I'm black so I could say why is my issue that I don't want to be murdered by cops. The cops are gonna be cops if I let them. I have to work to change the system so bad people don't get to be cops. It's the same with women. The victims need justice but the system is broken. The broken system won't fix itself, the patriarchy won't end itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:30 AM
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The language used on the internet is very hostile and often leads little room for nuance, that's the the nature of the gender war. Stuff like "men don't respect women" doesn't leave much room for nuance when speaking to a stranger on the internet, you don't know them and if they mean it literally or actually mean most or some men don't respect women. This is where "not all men" comes from. Irl you know the person on the other side of the conversation so the whole nature of the conversation tends…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:25 AM
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Talk to men without hostility and explain their fears without accusing men. What this would look like is a 1 on 1 chat with a younger man in their life where she systematically explains women's fears around men so said younger man doesn't become the man women have trouble with today. Culture moves at a slow pace so there's no way to fix things today you have to fix things for the next generation. Also you become his real world reference point and the manosphere grifters don't get their hooks in …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:19 AM
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Yeah, she's clearly not interested so do both of you a favour and leave her alone and move on with your life. If she's playing hard to get then you're setting yourself up for a hard life where you have to constantly guess what she wants from you so it's better to leave her alone and move on. If she makes it clear she likes you back then it's just courting and stops being simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:12 AM
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I'm not advocating for taking away people's rights but the genie can definitely go back in the bottle. If things get bad enough people will make radical shifts. Just look at nazi Germany, women were allowed to vote back in the 1930s but the country was so fucked Hitler took control and put women back in the kitchen. The world didn't care until he started invading other counties. The other major example is the whole middle east. Back in the 80s women could go to school and work but again things g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:48 AM
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Because maybe, just maybe there’s more to liking someone than how they look? Never said there wasn't Maybe, just maybe spending more time with someone reveals more about the person, good and bad? Never said it didn't If 3 days is all it takes for you that good. Some people can say it can take 1 day, others can say it can take a week or month. So what? Maybe use your words and talk about it with them instead of beating around the bush? If you don't know if the other person likes you after 3 days …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:29 AM
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3 days feels excessive for "I don't know if I like you." Maybe it's my man brain or something but after you go on a 3 day date and are still wondering if someone likes you I'd either ask or stop worrying about it. No point beating around the bush and even if the answer is I don't know yet then I can stop worrying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:00 PM
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Now I'm back to being confused no its more that basically every woman has been the victim of unwanted sexual advances so they know how terrible it feels and dont want to unwittingly perpetrate it I understand that aspect but then why not just ask? After 3 days in multiple locations and meeting friends and family feels like you should just come out and ask if you're still not sure at that point. Edit: even if the answer was "I don't know" you at least know where you stand and don't have to stress…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:07 PM
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I don't know whether to laugh or face palm right now... But I think I get it, they want to be the "woman" in the relationship and are afraid of being the "man." That actually explains why my butch friend was so popular 😂 It's just gender roles with extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:58 PM
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I've always wondered about that. My lesbian friends have described times like that and I just can't wrap my head around that. Why spend 3 days with someone, meet their family, friends and all the other stuff only to go home and wonder if you like them. Like if I spend 3 days with someone I'd know if I see a future with them by the end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:44 PM
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And? You don't need a dick to use a CAD software, you don't need a dick to use a drill rig. The design portion doesn't need a dick it needs a brain and most of the manufacturing is automated and the mining uses heavy duty machinery. What part of the production process requires a man specifically? Men make up the majority yes but you can replace every single one of those men with women and nothing would change.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:15 PM
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Modern men can build infrastructure with power tools and industrial equipment. The machine is doing most of the work and last time I checked you don't need a dick to use a forklift or a crane or an excavator or a paver etc. Very few jobs require you to manually lift something these days because work place injuries are expensive so getting people to lift anything heavy is a risk most companies don't want to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:35 AM
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This isn't a gendered thing men and women rely on public infrastructure
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:00 AM
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Yes I'm on your side in this. Most guys that talk like this would die in the first week
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:24 AM
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Cool you could build your shelter get your food but still get taken out by 1 infection like 90% of our ancestors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:23 AM
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I think you're confused I'm arguing that most people would die the moment society collapsed apart from a few men and women who have the survival skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:21 AM
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Oh god no that's my point. Sure I can build a motor but I can't mine the copper or forge the parts needed for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:18 AM
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As things are now men take what they can get, if you accept them then you are the best that they can get. You become their one and only option, the one they picked and the one they settled for at the same time. It sounds like what you want is a guy with options to pick you and only you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:04 AM
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Men and women rely of public infrastructure. Your whole job requires electricity and computers. Can you build a power plant? Can you farm? Can you build roads? Can you build a car? Mend a broken bone? Men and women rely on others for basic survival and guess what that's called civilisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:57 AM
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Bruh I can tell you've never had to deal with a psycho woman before. A psycho woman will weaponise society against you. That bruise she got while you defended yourself becomes evidence of domestic abuse, all the damage she did around the house becomes damage you did in a violent rage. You are capable of fighting her off but only to extent that she isn't hurt and there is no evidence of a struggle because all that evidence will be used against you. Ps. And if you get hurt by her because you reali…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:16 PM
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Yes and no. The option to stay single is there but only if you'd rather have nothing at all. Women would rather have nothing at all men would rather have something than nothing. This is the crux of the divide.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:09 PM
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Can I get some examples you've personally had?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:15 PM
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It's not about hating men It's about not living your life in service of men. It's the freedom to live your life apart from men. Hating men is going too far and misunderstands the meaning. Apathy is the goal of decentering, to live your life how you want and enjoy your personal freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:39 AM
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It's the bastardization of any ideology that happens whenever it becomes wide spread. Decentering the opposite sex means not giving a fuck about them, it doesn't matter if you want to please them or hurt them the fact they even occupy your thoughts and free time means you're still centering them. Said younger rad fem hasn't healed or understood the message, she's still angry and bitter so she literally can't decenter men in her current state.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:36 AM
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It's another to bring up something that's not relevant only to win victim olympics (so far they lost) Again men and women do this consistently on this sub instead of engaging with a post. The typical example will be one person makes a statement and the response will be "(insert gender) does (insert negative behaviour)." The other lovley one I tend to see is "I'll care about (insert woe from OP) when (insert gender) stops (insert negative behaviour)." These doesn't engage with the post it just tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:33 PM
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This is something men and women do on this sub consistently. People bring up the woes of their specific gender to play the oppression Olympics instead of engaging with the post. Men and women have it bad is radically different ways but bringing them up to shut down other people's discussion just makes you an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:13 PM
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Where the hell did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:42 AM
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Like with all statistics why is this? Figure out the why and you can solve the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:51 AM
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Soooo you agree with me? Men and women need to decenter the opposite sex
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:51 PM
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I already admitted that men decenter women during sex what more do you want? When men talk about dating woes they talk about how they can't even get to the dating stage. The men who need this advice aren't the same men women have trouble with. Women need to be more assertive during sex and prioritise themselves during it. At the same time women need to know what they want from their partner and express that. At the same time men need to listen and take their partner's wants on board.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:47 PM
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Not really Men are desperate for female attention, the whole manosphere is made up of men who can't get it. Literally some of those same dudes go on a rampage because they can't get it, that's not decentering that's caring so much you don't even care about your own life. Men will go into the gym because they want female attention, men will dress for female attention, men will literally change their whole personality for female attention, that is desperation. Sure during sex men often decenter wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:31 PM
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Bro you're acting like you're above it all but last time I checked you're still here
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:37 AM
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"Berate is a verb that means to scold, lecture, or criticize someone in a harsh, angry, or prolonged manner" Say calling him out if you wish but the result is the same, call out an asshole but support your friend when they're not being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:57 AM
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Again there's a difference. Support someone who's struggling but berate an asshole. If someone is struggling you help them but if they're being an asshole about it then you're well within your rights to berate them. There's a difference and you've got to take each by a case by case basis otherwise you push someone who could have been saved deeper into the rabbit hole and you end up validating an asshole's feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:56 PM
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Men don't need a purpose but the need to be taught to live for themselves. Feminism taught women to love themselves and their freedom, it fought for women to be able to do the same things men could the issue for men is that men used those things as a crutch. As women have said before on this sub reddit "being nice is the bare minimum" and since men have to be selected by women men need something more than being nice. Men need something that women want or they can walk away. Currently men have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:48 PM
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Ain't that the wonderful thing about the world? You can find different people in different parts of the world. Glad you have better relationships with older people than I do
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:53 PM
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Not all of them but in my experience a good chunk of them will say one thing and expect you to follow without even considering or caring that you might have a different opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:49 PM
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Well in most situations the truth is literally somewhere in the middle. Men aren't all bad and women aren't all bad the gender war just highlights the worst of both and paints everyone with the same brush so yeah the nuance needs to be said because people forget it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:47 PM
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It's not one man it's the patriarchy, it's every older man you meet it's your uncles your teachers, your older brothers, your boss it can also be the women in your life too. They shape your view of the world. Women can hold up the patriarchy just as well as men, in fact a woman saying men should be like this or I only date men who are like this can hit a lot harder than when men say the same. This isn't even mentioning the culture of where you live. Most of the world still hold on to traditional…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:45 PM
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Ok your point being?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:31 PM
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Will the older men start teaching from the moment of birth. They shape your whole world view and your idea of what being a man looks like so often the young men think this is how things should be. Factor in how the world is currently burning down and it would be easy to tell a young man who only knows how things are now this is the fault women/feminists. Also how often do you tell a 45 year old man something and they actually listen and admit they're wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:29 PM
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The issue is those men are still around. They are our father and grandfathers, they teach us what being a man is all about but their world is gone. How many times has an older person told you to take a CV and hand it to someone irl instead of responding to a job posting? In their times that would have worked but now it's just annoying. The older men teach the younger men how their world worked so now the younger men try to get that world back.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:08 PM
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Remember that culture moves at a snail's pace and women have spent the last 100+ years getting where they are now, men are effectively starting from scratch so it's gonna be a good while. The entire male identity for the past few millennia was built on being strong to provide for women (regardless of how often the individual man became that) so we've lost our purpose and have to find a new one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:47 PM
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I think this narrative has been peddled to people that if they were more self interested and less susceptible to outside influence, their lives would be better. I disagree with that. I think it’s normal to care what people think about you, and that decentering is typically used to convince people to reject the idea of considering other people’s perspective. It is normal to care what people but again it requires moderation. You should care that you smell bad or that you've got a stain on your shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:42 PM
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Like with most things it requires moderation. Decentering the opposite sex means you stop living your life trying to be what they think you should be. Men should decenter women and women should decenter men but both should be civil to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:13 PM
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A bit of both. The culture has shifted and now being a mother is seen as a bad deal. It kinda is because the current version of society we have was made by men for men and women need extra allowances if they're gonna have it all. For example the wage gap, it's not men getting paid more because they're men it's men getting paid more than mothers who took maternity leave. If a woman wants kids and not earn less despite being employed the same time as other men she has to work through it if she wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:56 PM
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Yes and no. When someone is struggling you should support them not berate them. If the guy is being an asshole then sure berate them because they're being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:57 AM
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There's a line between venting and hate speech. Personally I think the path forward is to get men to date how women do. Look for the perfect partner and not budge for anything while being content to live a single life if you don't get it. It's a lot easier said then done though. I think most men fall into red pill in their teens. They're seeking advice on what women want because being nice isn't enough but only the red pill say anything different when young men go looking. The conspiracy theory …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:43 PM
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Furthermore, men need to support other men more, and sometimes that means being the good friend who's gonna call a spade a spade and tell a friend when he's being a whiny bitch so he snaps out of it and does something about it instead of complaining endlessly. My one issue with is this your phrasing. You're effectively saying men should tell other men to man up and stop being little bitches. That's just gonna get men to continue pushing our feelings down rather than actually dealing with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:26 PM
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Hate still existed but social media gave everyone a megaphone with no rules. Edit: changed internet to social media
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:43 AM
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When it comes to approaching I think me shouldn't cold approach at all and stop giving random women attention wanted or unwanted. Warm approach or don't approach at all. Women make it easy if they like you and they only get to liking you if they know you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:05 PM
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Have you tried, like genuinely sat down and explained it to them one on one? Not group sessions where you've got a class of 30 students but talking to 1 specific young man. Cause I listened. My female friend explained this to me when we were 18 and it was eye opening. I learned about shit I'd never thought of, stuff that all classes never covered or were too scared to cover. 1 on 1 the atmosphere changes it's not some vague rapist women are talking about, one on one she's talking to you. It's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:51 AM
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Redpill believes in male superiority over women, that’s why they hate feminism, women “fight” the redpill on a daily basis by just living their lives how they want instead of being told to by a man So you fight the symptoms not the problem. The problem is men growing up without an understanding of the female perspective thus acting in ways our fathers and grandfathers did. Women fear men and men don't understand that. When someone gets angry about something you never had to face your base respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:02 AM
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Well it exists to counter harm against women and the red pill to alt right pipeline is a thing so doing something about that would really help women in the long run. Women have a problem with men's behaviour? Fix men's behaviour and the problem goes away. A super basic thing any woman can do is talk to the younger men in their life and explain women's fears to them so they understand before reaching the age when they become part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:07 AM
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In the bad end yeah. My logic is the powers at be hate women so being that they wouldn't really need women anymore it becomes a question of why not. Trump is already rolling back women's rights but still needs women to have babies, artificial wombs remove the need for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:37 PM
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Yes and no there's a lot that would come out of it both good and bad What I'll call the good ending where women don't have to go through pregnancy and labour and thus can truly be free from their gender roles and thus the dynamic between men and women should change because there would be almost no differences between men and women anymore. What I'll call the bad ending is women become discount men. Men keep their physical value to the patriarchy but suddenly women have lost their's leading to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:11 PM
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So they have tik tok brain? Their view of reality isn't aligned with actual reality so it seems like they're the problem but I doubt that's what you were going for...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:42 PM
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I assure you more men have mental health/gambling/drug/alcohol/smoking problems than women do. I totally believe you but what well adjusted woman what's that in a partner? Who wants that in a partner? The dark truth is mental health problems do stop you from being a catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:36 PM
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I'm not really complaining I'm just stating a fact. If said women want a man who is progressive then they have to make politics more than just who you vote for. They can date who they want, I'm not interested in them and I filter out people who say one thing then do another.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:34 PM
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There's certainly things we can do to make dating more fair but that generally comes down to gender expectations and work life balance. A lot of people still hold outdated views when it comes to their partners and what their roles should be throughout the relationship and that leads to a miss match of values and effort both perceived and real. Work life balance is a major factor later in the relationship especially once kids are on the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:42 AM
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Nah I'm an old man of 27 years and I usually don't date outside of 5 years either way. Hmm. Could be? I’d probably still need time to feel comfortable starting a sexual relationship even with a close friend. Even if I trusted them with my darkest secrets, it’s scary sharing your naked body with someone! We had a very open relationship before becoming an item, like I'd seen her in her underwear while she was getting a tattoo and I kept it in my pants. We also knew about 50% of our darkest secrets…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:47 PM
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Yeah I agree that it takes a lot of trust sex in general so I don't freak out whenever a woman wants to take it slow and I don't take it as an insult. Usually my issue is when she expresses that she likes something she's done in the past but does want to do it with me. Did you express your desire for “equal treatment” to these women? Ask them about their sexual history? If so, perhaps they considered these behaviors as red flags? I didn't ask about their past nor for equal treatment. I learned a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:01 PM
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Not in that exact wording but along the lines of I've done X in the past but I don't feel like I'm ready with you. It's innocent enough and I never want to pressure someone into something they're not ready for but it does tell me that she doesn't get the same feeling with me as she did with the other guys. It does also help that all the relationship I've had where my girlfriend felt like that she ended them. Yeah it stands to reason that if she did enough it previously she would so the problem f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:33 PM
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From personal experience I can say it definitely does happen even if you ask about their previous partners. Some women will definitely just come out and tell you they did XYZ with previous partners but don't want to with you because she does get the same vibe. The best thing anyone can do is leave with no arguments. You are not entitled to the same treatment but if they don't feel you are good enough I wonder why they even entertained the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:48 AM
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I literally said shaming people into compliance is wrong where the fuck did I say men can't be at fault for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:54 AM
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Well from what I've heard it is. Maybe we just got different sources. I watched a documentary and it talked about how the prosecution has to first prove they had sex which requires DNA if the defendant doesn't just come out and admit it. Then they have to prove the sex wasn't consensual and being that most of the time it comes down to he said she said it's a coin flip on the jury. Throw in alcohol and suddenly everyone's testimony becomes unreliable so they default to innocent. Throw in trauma (…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:18 PM
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If someone does end up someone they're not attracted to because of the shame then that's wrong. They got shamed into compliance and that's wrong. It happens all the time in other cultures because social capital is so important over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:08 PM
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Never said anything about dating them. You can and should have your preferences and at the same time shouldn't be shamed for having them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:59 PM
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We do and it's still wrong and we shame the people shaming women. We don't shame the people shaming men for having standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:54 PM
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It's not about the hard enforcement but the soft enforcement, the social pressures when a guy is open about what he wants and is shamed back into silence. Women are encouraged to know what they want and not accept any less but men are told they're intimidated or weak if they do the same. Shaming people for having standards is the problem. If you think that shame can't force people into compliance then go read a history book on literally any time period.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:45 PM
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Men fear that women will ruin their reputation instead of simply rejecting them. The men who fear this aren't the men who are going to raping women. Women fear that men will assault or rape them so they get jumpy whenever a man approaches. The only real way is get rid of the rapists but it's an incredibly difficult crime to prove in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:18 PM
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I find there's few men (who I associate with) who are like that. Having done something with a pervious partner while having no interest or down right revulsion to the act is one thing but what most men talk about is when she likes something talks about liking something from previous experience but is hesitant to do it with you. The typical example is having sex early. She got a vibe from a guy and liked it so she had sex but then not getting a similar vibe from another guy is a sign that you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:29 PM
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Funnily enough these are the same complaints I have about women's profiles. Zero personality or hobbies just some witty copy paste jokes or a fact about otters holding hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:23 PM
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You're worried about men kidnapping you but you don't want to take precautions against it... If a girl doesn't want to get it my car early on I get that but I'm not trying to kidnap anyone so her taking precautions is actually a green flag in my book. The men complaining are the ones you need to worry about. Yeah it feels like shit if a someone treats you like a threat but from my perspective getting mad about it just proves them right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:47 PM
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From the company's perspective why buy the gear if it's gonna sit around until women show up. At my company we hired a woman and it forced the company to buy all new equipment. Corporations won't change, you have to force them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:07 AM
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So women have better and more fulfilling friendships and are still just as lonely as men? Genuinely curious on this because women often say male loneliness can be cured by having deeper friendships but if women are just as lonely then that's clearly not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:16 PM
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Depends where you live but many countries do uphold them assuming nothing illegal has been signed. Best to legal council when doing them anyways just so you know everything is above board.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:39 PM
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Then get a premarital agreement that even if the relationship breaks down XYZ will still be given/withheld. If your partner doesn't want to sign then you weren't right for each other anyways. Men and women have options and simply leaving is one of them but would rather moan about the opposite sex instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:37 PM
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I was speaking in general on how they deal with political movments. When it came to the Suffragette they threw many of them in prison since they were still mostly white women and killing them would have caused too much backlash.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:43 PM
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The whole culture was entirely different. The government in the middle east is willing to gun down whole crowds. They US peferers political assassinations to mass murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:46 AM
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They previously did, look at pictures of Iranian women in the 80s. Then the pendulum shifted and the middle east has been on fire since. This would be the second time women forced men to capitulate and on top of that the government is more authoritarian than the west so it's a much bigger task.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:49 AM
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Buddy boy they are, there are women to this day still fighting for their rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:23 AM
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It's almost like for the past 20 years the countries have been at war and the whole place is now run by terrorists.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:20 AM
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Buddy boy women fought for those rights. They forced men to give them. Women were thrown in jail, assaulted or worse for speaking out but they didn't stop until the government surrendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:17 AM
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Sex sells period, it's all about the form. Romance books are popular for women for a reason, it's just that the version of sex that they sell is more at peeling to women. This isn't even mentioning women's sex toys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:07 PM
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Ok so what does working for it look like to you? I ask because when someone says "work for it" it sound less like having a fun date where you get to know someone and more like an interview for a job. It's less getting to know someone and seeing if they're a match and more testing them repeatedly while waiting for a slip up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:48 AM
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I have no arguments with this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:40 AM
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Again I'm curious. You want someone to work for it but if a guy is willing to bend over backwards if you show no or little interest doesn't that just come off as desperate? Let's say there's a guy you like and he makes you work for his attention and gives little in return wouldn't you just leave? If the answer is you want a guy to be desperate for you alone then how do you filter out the guys who are desperate in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:07 AM
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Not just men but women too. People went to jail for their rights because the man didn't want to budge. That isn't something we see anymore. Hell the man got so pissed they started shooting. That's when you know you're winning. The Muslim women fighting for their rights face death or worse. They have the fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:01 PM
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Lady I'm black, I know about struggle and what I see from the average white woman isn't rebellion. There's no fire or drive to do better because the man has his boot on your throat. What I see is either resignation or hope that they'll be spared. When a woman has that fire it's often directionless, it goes after every man who walks by and not the ones with their own private island. Hell it doesn't even go after the women selling out their sisters for crumbs. Big marches get people fired up but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:54 PM
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I thought feminism was more popular than it was until I looked deeper and realised most women don't really care until it hurts them personally. By personally I mean when they end up in the situation actual feminists warned them about. Most women just pay lip service to feminism but haven't internalised or understood the message.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:06 PM
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Well from my understanding there's the old rp and the new rp. Old rp built most of the lingo and philosophy and new rp bastardised it. A beta bux from my understanding is the guy who got settled for when a woman wanted someone financially stable. She's not attracted to him in the slightest but wants the stability he provides. Not being that guy means find a woman who loves you and is attracted to you then give that woman the stability. Essentially filter out gold diggers and learn to reject wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:38 PM
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With every situation there's obviously nuance and that does get lost all too often in the gender war. I think sharing a story is fine so long as you link it back to the main topic at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:03 AM
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That is also true. Women didn't start this mess but it's the mess we're in right now. All I can say for sure is derailing conversations doesn't help fix the mess but only makes it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:56 AM
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Correct both men and women hijack each other's conversations, they think if I can't have my way (because they previously got wronged by someone) then nobody can.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:58 AM
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Beta bux is kinda telling men to choose better. Don't be the guy who gets used by a woman who isn't interested in you personally but rather what you offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:27 AM
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Well throughout history the solution has been to send the young men off to war where they either died or came back heroes (with ptsd). Men have been the disposable chess pieces of the ruling class and women have made more men so the machine doesn't break. Now we live in a time where women have broken away from their roles but men are still held to them. The major difference is men haven't had a movement teaching them how to break away for their roles and live life for themselves for the past cen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:06 PM
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Jim the McDonald's cashier is not a member of the patriarchy. Sure he might get some trickle down benefits but he is a cog in the machine like the other 99% of men. The men who designed it aren't even aware Jim exist and if Jim died the world would keep moving. Yelling at Jim does nothing to stop the pedophile president but yelling at him might get him to personally hate you and the people you associate with. How do you get Jim to take action against the pedophile president? First stop blaming h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:39 PM
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As I've said before on this sub, women spoke out against men's beauty standards for them and now we're seeing men do the same. Edit: on top of that women are reacting as badly as men did when they spoke out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:47 PM
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People in general have a hard time accepting they can be wrong because we see things only from our perspective and perspectives similar to ours. Take religion for example, you've got billions of people believing they're right and they react badly whenever evidence is brought up against theirs. Going back to gender women have struggles that most men are never made aware of until they speak to a woman who explains it but that doesn't mean men have no problems either. Edit: spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:58 AM
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Got a percentage or are we going off vibes?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:27 AM
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"I think as a woman, I make so many decisions all day. And get decision fatigue. And same with men and dating cuz they are constantly asking for your input and constantly asking for your opinion and asking you to make a decision about literally everything" You make it sound like you'd rather not have those decisions...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:52 PM
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"This whole "men don't need women" thing is monkey dancing." Yes and no. People have to find someone compatible with them so decentering the opposite sex is good. It means you focus on yourself and being happy without a partner that way you know if a person adds to your life or not. Men and women shouldn't monkey dance but should want to make their partner happy. In my book you cross the line when making your partner happy takes away from your happiness and currently so many men are willing to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 05:05 PM
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This is the nuance required for such a topic. Women should have agency during sex so that part of the sexual revolution was good but the idolisation of sex that came with it wasn't. Now women feel pressured to lose their virginity just like men are but at young ages the wisdom required to navigate the world safely wasn't be acquired. Sex work shouldn't be shamed but it shouldn't be paised either, the reality of it should be explained with clinical detail. If that results in women engaging with i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:45 PM
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While that's true being labeled a bad sex object means the guys trying to objectify her aren't getting what they want from her and try to neg her into changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:27 PM
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It's all about your frame of mind when viewing sex. Using sex to market your talent can be a useful tool but it runs the risk of your sex appeal becoming the only thing people care about. Studios know that sex sells so they'll tap that well until it's dry and women end up being objectified along the way. Reclaiming women’s sexuality was the goal of the sexual revolution but in practice it just allowed men easier access to women’s bodies but called it feminism. It's a razor thin line but once a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:05 PM
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Religion says god loves you unconditionally which other than our mothers is really the only time anyone loves men. Often when men speak of love it's in a self sacrificing way, giving everything to your partner because that what we want. We want unconditional love because we have to earn it everywhere else. When guys talk about women having value because they're women this is what they mean. Women don't like their options but exist while men have to prove they're worthy of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:03 PM
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Really it's only achievements of some kind. We have a very competitive world view so anything that makes you better than other men. It's super unhealthy I know, but really outside validation is the only thing we have. Men were never taught to love ourselves so the only most of us know how to gauge our self worth is through others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:48 PM
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I guess so but I think this is where men and women's world's differ. Men's friendships tend to be shallow which makes them easy to maintain but lacking in the connection department. At the same time the onus tends to be on men to make the first move so if a guy faces rejection repeatedly it will start to mess with his sense of worth meaning that if he switches up to this method he's coming from an angle of defeat with his dating life rather than frustration at low quality options. Fixing men's f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:27 PM
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I meant luck as in your paths crossed in the first place rather than seeking a person with each other's qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:09 PM
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This is what I mean. There was no effort into getting a relationship it just happened. You both fell into each other's lap, it was all luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:19 AM
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This I get. They didn't look for a partner or really date around but someone basically fell into their lap. The only issue I can foresee with this if men also acted like that is almost nobody would date since men wouldn't approach anywhere near the same degree and women are already reluctant to make the first move even if they like a guy. However those few relationships would likely be better than most relationships today.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:36 AM
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I'm gonna nit pick your language for a bit When you say respects your peace, what does that look like to you? What does enriching your life look like to you? I ask because being fulfilled while single should mean you aren't looking for any of this because you have it already so why enter the trenches of dating if you are already satisfied?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:29 PM
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You won't have any arguments about the last paragraph but I'm still curious. Would you say you are fulfilled without a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:45 PM
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This is the same conclusion I came to. The people who are happy single aren't the ones complaining about dating, they are mgtow and 4b people who just disappeared without fanfare while everyone else isn't fulfilled because they're missing something they value. From my pov women definitely are more fulfilled than men but still have skin in the game despite what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:23 PM
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I always curious about this because the only reason to pursue a relationship is the relationship itself. A person fulfilled in life has no need for it and honestly letting said partner into your life will bring it's own headaches so why not be single forever. Men are lonely, both for physical intimacy and emotional intimacy so they look for a partner to fulfill those needs but if you don't have those longings then why even get a partner? I guess what I'm trying to say is women who are happy bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:06 PM
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Oh you poor sweet summer child. Culture has a huge impact on attraction it's just that you don't notice it because you think it's normal. I'll use India as an example. Being lighter skinned is seen as beautiful but does that mean that darker skin is universally unappealing? No it's a hold over from India's caste system combined with colonialism leading to darker skin being seen as ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:19 AM
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Oh yeah it's flimsy and a double standard but the reverse is also a double standard. Men being virgins is seen as a fault with the man while women being virgins isn't. It's double standards all the way down until people stop caring about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 11:49 AM
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That's definitely a possibility, the logic doesn't account for every possible male vs female interaction but is kind of a baseline and the baseline is women have to put themselves at risk to sleep with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 10:26 AM
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I don't totally agree with him but I'll explain the logic. A guy who's got hobbies, is social and is confident while also being attractive to will meet many many women overtime and some of them will want to sleep with him and since men don't really have that much risk when it comes to casual sex he's got no reason to turn them down. A woman with a high body count is repeatedly putting herself at risk for a cheap thrill that or she thought all the men she slept with were the one so she's either n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 09:21 AM
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It really depends on the couple. Some couples know how to communicate their desires to each other and are willing to make accommodations to please their partner. The ones with a dead bedroom in my eyes are the ones that don't know how to properly communicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:55 PM
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If we really had it he'd seek sex from other women or not be after sex at all and then you could make a case for him going to get help. I'd need to know about how he behaves during sex before coming to any solid conclusions but right now it sounds like he's selfish and you should really get out of that relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:00 AM
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We do but the only issue is society makes sex out to be such a big deal. It's like everyone talking about a new drink then people wondering why you'd make such a big deal over not getting to trying it. From the moment you become an adult people silently judge men based on how much sex they've had. No sex means there's something wrong with you but the same goes for too much. Factor in that most women have weird feelings about teaching their man how to please them and a lot of parents making getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:57 PM
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This goes back to how men's and women's sexuality are treated. For men, sex is used as a conquest or a prize/reward. The more women who are willing to sleep with him then the more desirable he is, a guy who repeatedly fails to gain attention from women is seen as a loser. Incel literally means involuntarily celibate and it's an insult to men because it says nobody loves you and you're so bad nobody even wants to hook up with you. So for men being seen as a sex object would be fantastic, other me…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:16 PM
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If you look at east asia women are quitting too. Those counties basically speed ran entire 20th century and are a great indicator of how the west might turn out. Women there still have their friendships but have entered the same pessimistic view of life men have. People can't afford housing or the cost of raising kids let alone save enough to retire so what's the point in even joining the rat race. Misogyny is still all too common but the economy was the straw that broke the camel's back.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:53 AM
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Lady you've got issues and probably some unresolved trauma. I don't know what happened to you but I hope you manage to heal from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:01 PM
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I mean if we're going with the idea that the sins of past generations can be blamed on the current generation rather than judging each individual based on their actions then let's be honest here, nobody is coming out of that clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:23 PM
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I think a better mind set is to not value the sex itself but rather the personality. Do things because you like them and if a woman comes along who vibes with you then become a couple. Decenter the opposite sex instead of contorting yourself into something a stranger finds valuable since focusing on finding validation from strangers often leads to problems down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:09 AM
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Thought the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:32 PM
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Often times abusers are from broken homes. Doesn't make abusing other alright but that's reason behind it for some people. Get them help at a young age so they can be a functional adult before anything happens and you stop the cycle instead of just punishing the perpetrators and helping the survivors. As for sexual assault and rape specifically I personally don't have enough information on that. But looking at South Africa and the culture there it's just seen as normal by some men there. Change …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:30 PM
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Guys like that misunderstand human nature. Society was made because surviving was easier if everyone helped each other so breaking the social contract of we don't fuck with each other leads to punishment (unless you're rich). If everyone was completely unrestrained then society would just collapse. No tv, no cars, no food, no clothes, no water unless you made it yourself. People often turn to crime because participating in polite society isn't sustainable for their survival. Make participating i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:20 PM
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I the divide in the discussion is mainly on how women talk about men. Often times men are treated like a monolith and that doesn't help solve the problem. We should be specific when targeting any large group so we don't end up treating them all like a monolith. The basic reaction when anyone says something inflammatory about a group made up many different people with different backgrounds and ideologies is to get defensive. It's like saying black people commit most of the crimes. While true that…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:42 PM
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That mind set is the main issue driving the gender war. You feel wronged by one man then get angry when another man wants to discuss a serious topic and feel like you have a right to derail the conversation. Women have suffered at the hands of men but treating any group like a monolith just makes you a part of the problem and continues a cycle of hate. If the second man acted like you then he'd feel like he's got a right to derail women's conversations because he got wronged by a woman and the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:56 PM
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Wanting the perfect partner and not just one that's good enough. One that takes interest in you, likes you're appearance and goes above and beyond for you also let's not forget emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:25 PM
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I don't expect anything from strangers But yes men's dating habits need to change and more of us need to grow a spine and hold women to the same standards they hold us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:28 PM
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Let's assume for the sake of the argument you didn't marry the first guy you dated. Did you find those other men attractive? Never said you need to find most men attractive, just that the number of women that men find attributes find attractive is a lot higher than the number of men women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:01 PM
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A long time ago a guy told me approaching women is like approaching a deer in the wild. It completely recontextualised my understanding of male female dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:56 PM
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What you're not understanding is men's bar is a lot lower than women's so while he does like the woman number of women who reach that category are a lot higher than the average woman who tend to find most men unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:47 PM
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Depends if it gets out of hand. Losing weight and gaining muscle along with money is one thing but last I heard cases in young men having body dismorphia are rising so that might be an indicator of something larger. If everyone chases the best version of themselves many will lose sight of happiness because they think improvement will bring happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:13 PM
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In real life I'd assume so but this is a debate sub so if someone isn't able to defend their position properly then I must assume they can't articulate it properly or simply refuse to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:33 PM
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"Do you think "self-awareness" means you must be able to logically trace and explain every single feeling you ever have? "Self-awareness" means you never ever have "vibes?"" Not every single time but enough to get a good understanding of yourself. What are vibes? Vibes are feelings and you get a feeling for a reason, the question is why. If someone makes you uncomfortable there's a reason behind it and the reason isn't always logical or socially justifiable but it's there and that's what self aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:31 PM
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Something like spark/chemistry is literally entirely feeling based, So this is where self awareness comes in. Why do you feel this way around this particular person? Is it healthy? Is it toxic? Is it unique to them or can someone else replicate it? So you and all the other men saying it doesn't exist or insisting that women should be able to objectively define it to you is a completely incoherent request. Again self awareness. Can you pick apart your own mind and figure out why you do the things…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:52 AM
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Didn't say she's impaired in anyway just that she's not aware of what she wants. Self awareness is a core part of emotional intelligence. Knowing why you feel the way you feel and do the things you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:27 AM
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Yeah but they can't define the spark so it just seems random. I've seen women on this sub say they've rejected a guy who was good on paper but didn't have the spark. So to me that reads as something beyond her own understanding because she can't define it in her own words and has to resort to vague terminology. She's not lying but just isn't aware of what she's actually looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:40 AM
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I agree with you up to a point. Men's biggest complaint is being invisible not getting rejected. Most men complain that they can't even get to the dating stage while women complain that the men they date a terrible. The comparison has been made that women are looking for clean water in a swamp while men are looking for water in a desert. The obvious solution is women should look for different kinds of men if the ones they like are terrible and men should try and make themselves stand out more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:49 AM
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Everyone is struggling right now and in vastly different ways. While there a some things men and women can agree on the specific gendered issues seem like they're non existent until you've lived as that gender. I always remember this one documentary about a woman who lived as man for a while. She realised how poorly most women treated men and how poorly most men treated each other. She understood that most men aren't malicious but quietly suffering while having the lived experience of a woman an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:13 PM
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Our planet can not support our numbers, we need to cut down. Oh it totally can but people don't want to lose their luxuries that require the exploitation of 3rd world countries to gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:54 AM
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When a lot of women say men have the power they lump Jim the McDonald's cashier in with the pedophile president then expect men not to correct them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:46 PM
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Can we please stick to the original definitions so people aren't asking what X and Y mean every 30 seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:49 AM
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What exactly is the difference? I use the two really only to signify the gender of your partner. To me it means caring for you partner, gift giving and generally going out of your way to please them and surprise them with personalised gestures they'd love but never asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:57 PM
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Then I'm sorry you had a rough go at dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:50 PM
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And the men you've dated haven't done the same for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:39 PM
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Princess treatment or your own personal high standards. What do you do that deserves such treatment that men don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:30 PM
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So pray tell, what do you do that deserves such treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:08 PM
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And now you see it. The wage gap isn't men hating women but capitalism functioning as intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:59 AM
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Is there any other kind of capitalism? Slavery used to be the world's most profitable business.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:49 PM
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Is it misogynistic or just capitalism making you choose what you value more? If someone is willing to sacrifice family and friends for a good career why wouldn't the employer choose them for promotion?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:05 PM
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Split is the key word here, splitting it is the half measure. Women often still need or want their maternity leave so the man in the relationship often gives her the lion's share. Let's assume they both work at the same company and started at the same time for this example. They both take some maternity leave but she takes most of it. The employer (who is profit focused) takes note and when promotion time comes around one of the two has worked less hours. Does the employer promote someone with l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:13 PM
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Having a career often requires sacrificing your home life. If you want to be the high earning person it often requires working longer hours thus spending less time with children or family or friends. Managing all 3 basically means you have no sleep, there's simply not enough hours in the day. Women want to spend time with their children and have a career while men know a career means sacrificing something. In this case it's not sexist but pure capitalism at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:56 PM
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What you're missing is the oblivious solution that no employer would want. Give men maternity leave and suddenly men carry the same risk a women. That or take women's maternity leave and again women carry the same risk as men although the powers at be would rather have this solution. Edit: Gender equality requires that everyone is treated the same and giving allowances because of biological differences leads to cases like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:08 PM
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Both misogyny and misandry are terrible and women or men can say I'm just responding to the hatred but what does all the name calling actually achieve? Each time a young man or woman sees these comments they get pushed towards one of the extremes while they haven't done anything. They feel wronged and if they lash out they become part of the problem. It's a cycle of hate caused by a few people and they simply don't care about any of the damage they've caused. The moment you jump into the mud wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:31 PM
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Hatred breeds hatred and throwing shit at each other does nothing but distract us while a fucking pedophile is in the white house.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:25 PM
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The reasoning leaves a bad taste in my mouth cause it basically says a woman only deserves special treatment if she's gonna pop out a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:27 PM
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They can get the safety and reassurance on said dates but I personally make them low effort to filter out the women who want me as an ATM. What I want is to know that she like me and my personality and if her liking me takes grand gestures then she's not after my personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:09 PM
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The whole process would be everything from the initial flirting to several high effort dates and gifts. If a girl only feels attraction after a guy has broke his back to please her in my mind she doesn't like his personality or his appearance but values his effort and likely wouldn't be alright with him once the mundane reality of living together begins. It's like if a guy doesn't like a woman's personality but the sex he gets from her. Without the sex his interest in her would be nonexistent. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:59 PM
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To a degree I think women do but I think the main point of contention for me at least is how much of the game a man has to play before she is attracted. If a man has to go through the whole process before she even feels the slightest attraction then I think she's not attracted to him but the effort he gives her but if after some interactions where he's not trying to put in maximum effort she does like him then she does actually like him. Obviously demi sexual people exist but they are consistent…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:37 PM
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If we shift perspective for a bit and focus on a man's view of it then a relationship doesn't add anything unless he's desperate to not be single or raise kids that are his.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:14 AM
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It still expects women to become mothers to equalise the effort and thus forces women into pregnancy if men want a fair deal. As for care of the infant while there's things men simply can't do assuming he's putting in 100% of what he's biologically and physically capable of I feel like that should be something women should consider before having children. Children are a huge risk just through the pregnancy alone and that's not something your partner can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:50 PM
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While I do agree with a lot of this the solution isn't to blame women but to hold women to the same standards they hold men. Men shouldn't accept being treated like an ATM or a jester to earn a woman's affection and if that means being single then so be it. If she was only interested after you poured tons of time, effort and money into her then she was never interested in you but what you gave her. Do your thing, live your life, decenter women and if she wants you for you then she'll be happy to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:30 PM
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relationships are expensive for women. Men always complain about dinners they pay for. But the amount of effort women put into long term relationships - especially once kids come into it - is insane compared to men. My issue with this is that it expects women to have children so the put in more effort while at the same time expecting men to put in even more effort to help once the children are born and the woman is exhausted. It's like asking for 80/20 at the beginning, 50/50 once she's comforta…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:21 PM
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I mean yeah, it's basically patriarchal propaganda with a side of feminism to trick women into thinking it's empowering. It only has to drown out hardcore feminist ideals to be a success and drive hostility. Edit: Once the ball gets rolling it becomes a feedback loop of outrage coming from men and women throwing mud at each other while the billionaires trash the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:31 PM
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We shouldn't allow such behaviour outside of controlled environments like this. Women get hurt by such posts and even if this particular example doesn't lead to real world consequences it contributes to the toxicity online which then trickles down into how people act in real life. Engaging in the same mud slinging doesn't contribute anything but more animosity. Edit: spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:45 AM
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Women would rather be single then in a relationship they aren't happy with and men have to do the same. If she likes you then she'll make it easy and if she only likes you after spending tons of money and effort then she likes the effort and money and not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:55 AM
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I think you're missing the point here. While misandry tends not to have the same real world consequences, I find engaging in mud slinging just drags you down to the same level as your abuser especially on public forums or in comment sections where you have no idea who will see what you've said. Anytime a young man or woman who's new to the world sees those comments they get pushed towards one of the extremes. Overtime people lose sight that the goal is to end prejudice because hurting someone el…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:17 AM
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How would you ever even know that’s much about the sexual history of someone you just met? Personally I don't ask but the women I've dated would sometimes just come out and talk about it unprompted. The girlfriend I had before my current one I'd met online asked if I were talking to other people and from there the conversation moved onto past relationships and what we'd done in past relationships. After I'd answered her questions she came out and told me about her past despite me not asking. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 08:12 PM
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39 and 15 in Macron's case. Would 42 and 18 suddenly make things better? Would she behave differently? Considering they're going through puberty those few years make a huge difference. 18 year old me had done a lot of growing up since 15 and while I wasn't fully mature those 3 years made a gigantic difference. In my country 16 is the age of consent but at 18 I couldn't even imagine dating a 16 year old despite the 2 year gap because a person does so much growing up both physically and mentally. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:13 PM
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I feel like the main divide come in when a woman acts one way but suddenly shifts behaviour without giving you a reason. Like I'm fine if a woman used to go have casual sex but had bad experiences and wants to try something new but from previous threads on this sub women seem to think asking for any reason is unreasonable. If someone said they were vegan then stopped you'd question the behaviour. It might not be a deal breaker but something that important to people usually isn't done on a whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:47 PM
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So said women have internalised misogyny and thus are still part of the problem 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:59 AM
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Ok I guess you couldn't call it a deep dive but I did listen to feminism is for everybody and the handmaid's tale along with several YouTubers. For a few weeks feminism became my hyper fixation but this started after my deep dive on the black panthers and the rainbow coalition. Long story short, as I see it there's hardcore feminists who I respect and then there's the average woman who pays lip service to feminism but doesn't understand it beyond men can't tell me what to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:37 AM
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As I keep saying, most of this gender war would be solved the moment people realised that it's a small but loud and active group driving hostility and that group simply doesn't care about what people think Edit: I do think where most people go wrong is the language they use. They generalise men and women when making statements and then the nuance of any situation gets lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:52 PM
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From my deep dive I got the vibe that girl boss feminism (which is patriarchy with a thin coat of feminism) is the main voice right now and something like radical feminism that isn't man hating or TERF adjacent seem to get buried or shouted down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:41 PM
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The one thing I know is a girl will make it easy if she likes you. If she likes you then she'll spend time with you without all the courting and want to court you. If a man likes a woman he'll want to court her because he wants to but will also be fine just spending time with her without getting something out of it. Either way if someone likes you they don't expect anything from you and just want you to be yourself. Expecting princess treatment comes off as entitled and says that you just want m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:51 PM
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That's the thing women want men to go all in on the first date and if men get burned just like women they will learn the same lesson and hold back until later. The compromise is to go for low effort dates so you have some time to connect before going all in. Men want to know the woman likes them and not the stuff they do for them and women want to know men like them and aren't just after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:21 PM
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What does princess treatment mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:55 PM
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Wanting to be treated well and princess treatment are different. What does princess treatment mean to you? You can want princess treatment, but it’s a bit weird to most women. This is my issue, expecting something that you're not willing to do for your partner sounds like entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:31 PM
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Doing activities you both like will be ideal but on a first date the default stance a lot of women (on this sub) seem to have is the man should pay and expect nothing in return. I understand women might not be comfortable going all the way on the first date want just want to test the water and I'm doing the same. The question a low effort date asks is "are you fine with me as I am?" If the answer is yes then cool I'll put in more effort next time and if the answer is no then we go our separate w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:07 PM
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None I'm just arguing lyedetector's claim that feminism is only for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:30 PM
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Yh I made the account before the war in Ukraine and now kinda regret it 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:30 PM
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Which is why I go for low effort dates. I'm not out of pocket trying to woo a girl who turn out to not be interested and she's not feeling like she owes me. It's the compromise that works out best and if there is a spark then we'll both be comfortable giving more.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:01 PM
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Yeah, continuing to fight for women's rights "should" eventually dismantle the patriarchy and free men from their issues but as lyedetector would have it just becomes a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy. I see trans rights as the next step in equality since if men and women are truly equal then it shouldn't matter if someone transitions but focusing on "women" leads into TERF territory which will take feminist language and use it to harm others. Dismantling the patriarchy isn't something that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:45 PM
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"Feminism is the belief that everyone, regardless of gender, should have equal rights and opportunities. It really is that simple. For all the different types of feminist theories and practices – for all the different schools of political, economic, and social thought – the grounding principle of feminism is equality. And in today’s intersectional feminism, we mean equality for everyone, regardless of gender identity, sexuality, race, class, or ethnicity." That's the full description on what is …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:35 PM
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"Feminism is the belief that everyone, regardless of gender, should have equal rights and opportunities." That's from the UN
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:27 PM
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I like to call them diet conservative. Maintain the status quo even if it sucks for others but not for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:23 PM
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Thank God for your permission. I've been waiting my whole life for your permission. You're welcome 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:03 PM
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I'm expect it from men who like me and want to pursue a relationship with me. Sounds pretty entitled. The male equivalent would be expecting sex from women who like them and want to pursue a relationship with them. Obviously you can pursue whatever relationship you want but I'm just pointing out how you sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:55 PM
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The thing is I didn't put on a jester outfit and dance for her affection. I did my thing and if she wasn't interested then nothing would have happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:33 PM
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I have a girlfriend. Longtime friend who I think is worth it so I treat her like a princess.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:31 PM
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This is why I only do low effort first dates. I don't know if you're worth it just like you don't know if I'm worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:29 PM
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Remember too that 45% of the votes that got that man there was from women. This is what I mean. Logic and reason went out the window in 2016
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:41 AM
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Ultimately this is about people having different interests or refusing to try anything new. On a personal note I introduced 2 of my female friends to d&d and we would go out and fun but for a long time they had an image of the game that simply wasn't true and now they keep asking when the next session is. But again as someone in both worlds my stance is most women are just as boring as men but men have to sing and dance to draw attraction thus appealing to women's tastes is necessary and current…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:19 AM
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Lady I live both of those lives. I go out clubbing and play d&d sometimes in the same weekend and overall the most fun people are the ones that can do both. A party animal is fun for a weekend but for gods sake are they a husk of a person when it comes to anything else. Shy introverts can be annoying with how deep they get into mtg but they can have deep conversations about something that isn't tiktock. Man or woman both have problems and benefit but men are willing to settle for any woman with …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:09 AM
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This is why I say most women aren't ready for true equality. They want the benefits of benevolent sexism without the negatives while keeping men trapped in our gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:02 AM
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And I can tell you most women are just as boring as men it's just that men have lower standards than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 01:58 AM
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You are commenting over text in a political environment where the most powerful man on the planet is a pedophile who is actively tanking the world economy so people stop talking about that fact he's a pedophile... I have no choice but to assume the wildest takes on the internet are 100% truthful
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:31 PM
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Yet again someone forgets that this gender war is driven by a small minority of people and most people simply don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:21 PM
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While true the question of who and why almost never gets asked. It's the difference between someone killing a person because they wanted a thrill and a drunken brawl gone wrong or even using excessive force in a self defence scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 11:21 AM
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Alright then it's the "I don't have to justify anything" approach... Have a nice day it's been fun
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:00 PM
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I'm not interested in a relationship with a man who is attracted to other men. And why not? They're open to relationships with women and men but at this moment interested in you. People don't owe someone a justification for their rejection. It's not about explaining it to them it's about explaining it to yourself and understanding why you feel the way you do. If a man is repulsed by women who aren't virgins I'd expect the same amount of introspection. Rejection happens to anyone and everyone for…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:44 PM
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I have no issues with bisexual people. I like them just fine. Ok let me be specific. Would you date a bi man and if it's a no then why not? After post prediction: she will say because she's married... So you're offended on behalf of bisexual men? I heard about bi people's struggles from multiple friends (some men and some women) and decided it's a worthy enough cause to fight for in internet forums. I'm not a keyboard warrior, I'm a keyboard knight 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:20 PM
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Great. I don't have or feel any if those things. So my comment still stands. Then please educate me what don't you like about bi people? Because now I'm interested. Are you a bisexual man who feels slighted by women who aren't interested in you? I'm not bisexual I'm heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:04 PM
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This is where the introspection comes in. Did he reject her because he's racist or is he not into people of said race. On the topic of bi phobia it's invisible so you won't know until you're told and your opinion of someone will form before you learn that fact and if learning said fact made you lose all interest then you should probably take a deep look as to why that is. Ps. This is ultimately about understanding yourself and why you do the things you do and feel the way you feel. At no point w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:52 PM
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Usually I'd say it wouldn't but if are turned off after learning a fact about someone that usually means said fact was to blame. In this context if you liked someone and learned that they're bi and suddenly lost interest that usually means you don't like bi people. Something invisible like sexuality wouldn't kill your attraction unless you have a problem with said people. I don't have bi phobia. I'm not afraid of bisexual people. "Biphobia is fear, hatred, discomfort, or mistrust, specifically o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:48 PM
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Cool, the racist will simply read a book that challenges their whole world view and won't just put it down when they start reading stuff they don't like. If you're not seeing what I'm getting at by this point then maybe you should read a book about bi phobia
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:11 PM
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And how would the racist learn their racism is the problem without someone telling them or them being introspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:44 PM
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Because we are human and literally crave socialisation and acceptance to varying degrees based on the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:08 PM
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And honestly, the woman is better off in that weirdly racist scenario. It was a strawman but you could just say she's got no idea he's a racist. It was more about should said man stop being prejudiced and learn to accept people from other races as people. No. Again, it's not a problem to reject someone. Alright. That's the end of that conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:06 PM
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Let's say a man rejects a woman of a different race because he's racist. Is that problematic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:58 PM
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While true just like OP I tend to find that women's problematic tendencies get put on full blast when they don't get to hide behind the victim shield and then it becomes "I don't have to justify anything" rather than "maybe I should be introspective and see if I'm part of the problem". This is a test to see if you can look within yourself and see if you are problematic in anyway and if the answer is always fuck you I do what I want then you're probably part of the problem and just don't realise …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:25 PM
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Women have the leverage because there's men willing to debase themselves for the smallest amount of attention. Weak willed men cheapen the value of male attention just like one night stands cheapened the value of sex. Before the sexual revolution marriage was the standard price for sex if you didn't want a prostitute now most men expect sex long before marriage. Ps there's obviously more to it than just that but in the context of OPs post this is kinda how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:29 PM
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I think this is the ugly truth of situation. Women generally want to be left alone but generally still want men to make the first move so without setting some universal baseline women won't ever get to be left alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:33 PM
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The basic generalisations everyone comes out with then gets mad when people point out the generalisation is wrong. People often complain that they missed the point but the point itself is wrong because they treat that group as a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:49 AM
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It's an issue but that often means western women talk right past western men when they're making their points because they end up treating men like a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:03 AM
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If women preform better academically but are not able to get the higher paying job within that field even when they have better credentials , what do you think could be the reason behind that? We have to look at what fields women tend to go into for that. Oftentimes it's not STEM subjects and we all know that's where the demand is, we also have to factor in how companies treat mothers. To them a mother is a risk, she could take maternity leave but they'd still have to pay her. While she isn't sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:20 AM
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We both know there would be push back about men only wanting to date neurotypical women let's not even lie here. Women pushed back against men's beauty standards for them but and now we see men pushing back against women's beauty standards for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:47 PM
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I have no arguments with this. You're literally the first woman to actually give some reasoning other than he should be OK with whatever she's ok with. Previous bad experiences can Jade a person and if they want to take it slow afterwards then I've no issues but if I'm expected to just not question the change in behaviour without a reason then that seems unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:29 PM
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No it's not fun but here's the thing women have already expressed their displeasure with feminine beauty standards are now men are doing the same with male beauty standards. I think people have been ruined by the internet and Hollywood and now people are chasing body standards that simply aren't realistic so people get body dismorphia and eating disorders trying to be something that isn't achievable by the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:27 PM
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Ok hold on I'm gonna need a sec to read all this. A black person being prejudice towards white people after after a life of suffering at the hands of that groups, watching other members of that community suffer and living in a system that is built to make them suffer while making excuses and propping up white people os not equal It's not but that doesn't make it alright and that's the but your missing. Prejudice is wrong and me taking it out on a random person from the same group isn't OK. When …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:17 PM
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I think what he's asking is, if woman A likes casual sex but decides to make the guy she deams husband material wait, is husband material alright in thinking she doesn't like him as much based on her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:55 PM
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So is feeling like the moment is right enough consent even if you haven't asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:42 PM
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I this the thing there's a difference between taking precautions against dangerous situations and perpetuating harmful ideas. Yes men commit most crimes but the who and why is almost never discussed. As I keep saying, most of the gender would be solved the moment people realised it's a small, loud and active minority who are the problem and they have a disproportionate impact on how the group is viewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:24 PM
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Will it's not as bad I'd still argue it is bad. If the goal is to get men to change then consistently reinforcing the idea that men are dangerous will lead to men becoming disillusioned with society and lead to women holding prejudices against men. When I often see the argument made it's brought up that men commit most of the violent crimes. While true it lacks the further breakdown of the statistics needed to fully understand what is happening. A large section of that will be gang related and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:52 PM
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My original point to u/constantsample5846 was that women often use the same rhetoric as the racists use against me but shift the target from black people to men. I understand systemic oppression and that women don't have the power to oppress men as a whole but throwing shit at each other does nothing but distract us while a pedophile is the most powerful man on the planet. This is just splitting hairs about definitions when the end goal is get rid of all prejudices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:19 PM
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So black people can absolutely be prejudiced against white people and to people who maybe don’t know that racism requires systemic oppression it looks the same - and that’s because the actions and feelings are the same, the only difference is the lack of systemic oppression which makes it prejudiced and not racism And that makes it ok? Because the system doesn't back me when hold prejudices against white people that makes it perfectly ok to hold them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:10 PM
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What exactly constitutes weird? That's the issue, it's all subjective to each individual. I honestly think men should just ask and if she does get weirded out then that's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:41 PM
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It's one of those things where straight up asking will turn off a lot of women cause it kills the mood but really we should. We have this issue where men are expected to just know and read the signs but men are known for missing women's signs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:11 PM
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It’s an educated one that would be learned in most all prestigious, and most half way decent colleges and universities And you think the those institutions can't be wrong? You think colleges and universities are always correct cause lady there's a long history of those places supporting whatever narrative is popular and bending over backwards to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:39 PM
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She would regularly say things that if the same had been said by a white person about black people it would have definitely sounded very racist. But two things: one they were basically all true, and they could only be prejudice and not racist because racism comes from the power structure. The thing is it's still racist. The homeless person on the street can still be racist even though they literally can't vote without a registered address. Not being in power doesn't stop you from being a part of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:37 PM
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They don’t get offended by women like ours problems with men, because without us having to say so, they KNOW this doesn’t apply to them. When someone makes a generalisation about a group of people that paints the whole group as one gigantic problem and doesn't give deeper context they're usually considered to be the problem. As a black man I often find the stuff women say about men lines up really close to the stuff racists might say about me and it often feels like men are just a socially accep…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:08 AM
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And so much of this gender war would be solved the moment realised it literally not all men and not all women but a very loud and very active minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:59 AM
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I guess but I think it's also realistic to consider that there's a real political will to radicalize young men to the righ. Yeah but I'd say it's the opportunity presented itself and the politicians and grifters took it. There's always been people trying to teach men how to seduce women but it's been something small and on the fridges. All of a sudden more men started struggling + the internet allowed for more communication and the whole thing blew up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:43 AM
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I think it's a chicken and egg situation. Did the young men become red pill because of lack of success or did red pill lead to lack of success? I'd say both. Young men who had little success went to the red pill stuff for advice and it pushed them deeper into the rabbit hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:22 AM
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I think many people don't understand evolution. It rarely creates a perfect creature but creates something that works reliably on a macro scale. You could argue that the female body sacrificing itself for the child is intended because that passes on the genes while something like cancer and genetic disorders are errors or failed attempts at trying something new. Something like the male orgasm being needed for conception makes sense cause it incentivises men to spread their genes across multiple …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:31 PM
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Our bodies aren't even made to live through pregnancy without extreme medical intervention Even from an evolutionary point of view that doesn't make sense. Like yeah it's a complex procedure and 1000 things can go wrong but if the intention was a woman gives birth once then dies humanity would have died out a long time ago. Don't actually have any issue with the rest of the paragraph though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:24 PM
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I think the main issue is right now everyone is chasing an unrealistic lifestyle. "We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won't. And we're just learning this fact" Everyone wants the life they see on TV and this is why so many people get body dismorphia or feel like they're failures when the powers at be have ruined everything they touch since the cold war. Maybe a slim few can climb to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:46 PM
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For a short time but then that would become the new normal. Ps look at getting a degree these days. Previously it was basically a guarantee for a good career but now it's a requirement for an entry level job.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:35 PM
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Yes and no. To put is simply most men's standards are absolutely none existent and as much as women claim the bar is in hell, men still have them beat. The main thing is that women have expressed their displeasure with feminine beauty standards and society listened and now actively combats men when they try and put down women for being overweight. Men are trying to do the same. Like with all things when it comes to dating, be ready to be single if you want to change things or find your life part…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:29 PM
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It is what it is to a degree. I think people's expectations got fucked by Hollywood and the internet. Women's idea of a dad bod is actually an off season body builder and men want women to be porn stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:13 PM
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Most women are invisible to the amount of work men have to out in just to be deemed attractive when for most of the it’s basically just don’t be obese. It's one of the few bits of red pill that I think is solid. All the work that goes into being a "good man" is done before the girl is even aware that you exist you and all that effort is to qualify as an option. After that you have front load all the effort in your relationship so she doesn't leave and effectively love bomb her, it's exhausting e…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:07 PM
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Not sure why more men aren’t rejecting the patriarchy, tbh. A lot of the time men are lumped in as problems alongside the patriarchy. Men are often told they benefit from it but men look at their lives and wonder what benefit they get so they end up believing it isn't real and when men try to point out how they are mistreated by the patriarchy a lot of women (even on this sub) will just laugh or say it's not as big as women's issues. While it's true men's issues aren't as great as women's, belit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:32 PM
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Blue is just not red pill so the red pill can technically just claim whatever and anything not that is blue pill Makes the whole discussion really annoying when the sides keep arguing of what is and isn't their's
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:49 PM
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That's the goal but remember it took over a century of work to get women where they are now this shit won't happen overnight for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:22 PM
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Both men and women are weak willed and brain washed, it's just that for the past century women have had movments empowermening them and teaching to value and love themselves. Men are still stuck in a mindset where we're cogs in a machine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:07 PM
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Still retroactive jealousy, no one is owed the same treatment as someone else. They can be "jealous" and "offended" all they like. So my question is would it be better to leave and find someone you're compatible with or mold yourself to be someone who is comfortable with your partner's past? Also I'm assuming there's no coercive consent happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:44 PM
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"Retroactive jealousy" is the buzz word of the day
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:37 PM
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Men "turn" red pill when they hear when say they want kind and caring men so they try and be that and no success. They listened to what women said and took it at face value only to realise women left out be attractive to me first. It sounds obvious but when you're a teenager with zero life experience it's not. Where the red pill falls flat is they end up thinking being attractive is all it takes and abandon personality all together.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:34 PM
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Ok I just misunderstood your meaning then
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:31 PM
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Again it's better than doing nothing a slim chance is better than no chance
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:29 PM
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It's better than doing nothing if someone comes up with a better idea I'd hear them out but it's the best I've got right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:27 PM
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"Women commit more suicide than men, it's just that women choose milder methods like pills overdosing and stuff like that which if they are found in a bad state can be taken to a hospital and recovered. Men just straight up shoot themselves. No saving in that." The numbers of individuals are probably close to equal but women's statistics say they attempt more because they survived and tried again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:26 PM
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That's reality. You have to change something to shift a culture, it won't happen on it's own you have to force it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:21 PM
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Going back to men approaching men should do the same. Stop approaching, be single and if women don't want to be single they'll have to approach. Teach your daughters that it's OK to approach and teach sons that they don't have to. Slow incremental changes person by person until the culture shifts. You see it already, we are talking about it when 20 years ago it wouldn't have even been a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:18 PM
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As women often say you should find someone who shares your world view and be ready to stay single until you find said person. It's good to talk about the division of labour in a household it keeps everything equal and that's a good thing. Changing a culture isn't done overnight and it took until the 70s for women to be able to own a house without a man being involved. Everyone has to take a stand it will start slow, sucking it up is the wrong way to go about it you have to take a stand and set y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:14 PM
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There's a difference between taking precautions and telling people to suck it up that's gender roles and act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:05 PM
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This does with your comment about "gender expectations" and "unfair" and "but feminism", when i talked about reality. I showed you that i might be against lots of things that i do and experience (and that's my position) that doesn't change reality one bit and i have to suck it up. And it's stupid to think there will be different outcome. The you're simply not a feminist then, you should raging against gender roles because they're unfair not coldly accepting them because that's just the way the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:02 PM
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Again none of this is to do with approaching. Approaching isn't like walking down alley. It's way safer but you want to equate it to death and say the world isn't fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:57 PM
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When men want to die they do it once and they do it right so the attempts will be lower overall. Women try soft methods and thus live to try again. It's survivor's bias the people who live to try again bloat the numbers while the people who don't live do it once.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:55 PM
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You can still go out but you take precautions like you said. When you can you take a taxi or go out in a group or carry a weapon if your local area allows that. If you want to walk alone at night firstly it's stupid and everyone knows that but some women want to act like they should be able to walk down a dark alley and be perfectly safe meanwhile the alley isn't deserted and even the men avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:48 PM
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when my male friends can without second thought We watch our backs when we walk alone, we don't go down dark allies and when we meet a stranger we get ready to fight. There's plenty of thought it's just that we have a chance to fight off another man. We have the exact same worries as you it's just that men aren't as easy to take down as women. Overall none of this has any bearing on approaching and you went off on a tangent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:32 PM
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And what does that say? It says I want to die and I want to make sure I die. When I was suicidal but didn't really want to die I tried overdosing if I wanted to make sure I died I'd jump off a bridge, no take backs no saving me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:25 PM
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Not a very feminist world view though. Conform to gender roles because it's expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:14 PM
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I can advocate that men should approach by default Not every choice is a feminist choice though. We men should really just stop approaching and a lot have it's just that there's more who are interested in approaching and women aren't interested in taking on that burden. If you don't approach as a man you end up single. It's either you miss out on a core human experience or conform.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:08 PM
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Not all men Notice how generalisations are bad? So much of this gender war would be solved if people realised it's just a vocal minority of people saying or doing shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:40 PM
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Have you heard of a blood test? If the concern was STIs they could test the blood of the donor beforehand. Several months won't magically make the infection disappear be they straight or gay, man or woman. If it was really about making sure the blood is clean they'd test everyone...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:42 PM
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That those men have problems and can't deal with the idea that women have pasts? If a woman is offended that a man has a past that shows she has a problem with men having a past. Both force people to live within traditional norms and both are terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:38 PM
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Just post "women, in the US, on average, are 5'4" " you will get post after post of "but I'm X height therefore you are wrong". I feel like this comes from women's stated preference more than anything else. We've all seen the endless street interviews where women say they only want guys who are 6ft and above meanwhile regular interaction tends to mean that women don't get to actually measure a guy's height and can only vibe it out meanwhile on dating apps you can actually set a filter for it. Ul…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:54 AM
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I think your model is missing a major variable: risk assessment. Yeah but you can't tell who is a rapist off looks alone. Most rapists are someone the woman knows so the risk assessment is already flawed. Some women claim to have creep detectors but clearly isn't true and I'd argue it's more conformation bias since if you think something is wrong with someone you'll look endlessly until you find something wrong while the majority or rapists fly under women's creep detectors.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:46 AM
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The culture around random men helping women is so weird right now. Literally a couple hours after this post a woman made a post about men trying to help her and how she found it creepy. Granted there's nuance that often gets lost when this is discussed and that's why the culture feels so weird. Women want men to help but in the "correct" way but women are individuals and don't all agree so men often just default to do nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 10:22 AM
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The thing is it does change what your perceive as normal or average. As a man I've noticed when women say they like a dad bod they mean an off season body builder, when men imagine a dad bod we imagine Homer Simpson not Jason Momoa (when he's not filming). One is what a man looks like when he's relaxing and not working out and the other takes years in the gym and strict dieting (and probably steroids too) but has let himself go in between workout seasons. For women the idea that large breasts, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 02:27 AM
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Look I'm tired of going in circles with you so this is my last reply planning/paying for dates, and giving gifts. If that's the only way YOU show someone you like them, then I'm sorry for all the dates you've courted. Oh I'm sorry was saying etc. not enough of a hint that there's more examples but I don't want to write all 1000+ of them? you're not allowed to change your mind, Literally said "she was open about her past and I give it a shot but then wanted to take it slow, she didn't really put …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:33 AM
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Your main point was originally about effort. And how women usually only show they like a guy during courting by sleeping with him and not by planning/paying dates, giving gifts etc. Women usually expect men to do all that stuff then wonder why men ask for something in return. It doesn't have to be sex but that's often what women default to and if that doesn't happen then there has to something in return because love only becomes a motivator later in a relationship. In reality, the thing you care…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:09 AM
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So as I suspected, this isn’t about effort, it’s about how fast she puts out. Because as usual, men do not allow women to change their minds. "she was open about her past and I give it a shot but then wanted to take it slow, she didn't really put in effort in other ways and after I realised I broke it off." Literally said I gave her a shot but she didn't put effort in the other ways I'd previously stated...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:15 AM
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What kind of information are you learning that would enable you to believe that she put in more effort for the last guy Usually it's a mix of how she talks about them versus what treatment I get off her. Like if she's clearly not over him I don't want to deal with that. One specific example is a girl who usually liked to have sex early into a relationship, she was open about her past and I give it a shot but then wanted to take it slow, she didn't really put in effort in other ways and after I r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:56 AM
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Usually people ask about past relationships or they just give up that info. All the women I've dated talked about their past relationships at some point even though I never asked and would then ask me about my past relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:09 AM
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Let's say a partner put in more effort in a previous relationship but won't do the same for you, how would you take that? Their life hasn't changed in terms of what they can offer but they just don't feel like you're worth it. They're just not comfortable giving you 100%. Now I'm not saying women should sleep with a guy on the first date if they don't feel like it but it does make the guy question if you actually like him and his options are suck it up or leave but women get mad if he chooses to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:25 AM
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Vibes and looks. Good vibes and no looks means you're a good friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 08:19 PM
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Men do but they're small and get drowned out by all the people mocking said men. Overall society doesn't really care about men's mental health or physical issues and that goes for both other men and women. Women's issues always take priority even of sub reddits like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 10:27 AM
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But it's not, at least from all the relationship I've had and my friends have. They do stuff as couples, they make time for each other. With friends it's alright if we don't see each other, we just pick up from where we left off. With couples we want to do stuff with you otherwise you're just another friend. With my mum and my gf I make time because I want to, it's not a chore to go see them. There's no "effort" because I want to spend time with them. If they want to spend an hour or day with me…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:03 PM
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disagree. Men absolutely care when his gf/wife or mommy treats him with his same level of inconsideration. I agree, with friends it's nice but not required but your gf/wife or mum is usually a constant in your life, you live together so that inconsideration requires effort rather than a lack there of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:30 PM
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Men and women require different things from the people they interact with. Women want to be constant in the person's life and to be there for every big moment while men simply don't require it. For men if we're there for those major moment it's nice and feels good but isn't mandatory, we don't usually don't get mad when we're miss some milestone. The bar for men is lower than for women and women get mad when men don't want to put in the extra effort to meet their standards. Women treat men like …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:10 PM
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Women can date passively. They can go about their day avoiding men until they find one they like. Men have to actively seek out relationships or they just won't happen. Being content with yourself is easier when you know there's someone willing to give you a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:12 PM
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I'm tired of tring to appeal to men that just ignore everything because it has no effect on them personally. Then the culture will never change...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:30 PM
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When guys say not all men it's because the rhetoric often says men do x and not some men or 1 in 10 men. So they get defensive because the language used leaves no room for nuance. the rest just stand around not doing anything Most rapes occur in private so men can't or are we supposed to magically save a woman we don't even know exists. they might just not be there And thus you lose the nuance. Instead of appealing to those men who aren't aware you lump them in with the rapists and thus they get…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:17 PM
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The majority of men aren't even evil. If the majority of men were evil then why wouldn't we just enslave women again? Why bother with votes and judges to dismantle the system and not just cut to the chase? Labeling all men as evil just alienates men. If I said the majority Jews are evil and genociding people in gaza I'd be called anti semitic and rightly so but it's fine to say the majority men are evil and want hurt women. Like will all things there's nuance and when it's lost people get defens…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:08 PM
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My stance is not all women aren't perfect angels who just want to be left alone by evil men and men are victims too. Anything else was arguing for the sake of arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:54 PM
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Men usually got there first so they shaped the culture of those spaces. Combine that with the stereotype of gamers and nerd being losers and they obviously latched onto the idea it was a no girls allowed space. I will say it's a problem but one made by people trying to change a space they arrived late to. passport bro red pill podcaster/ interview sluts dude bros on YouTube I always wonder why they go there. A quick search would show you everything you'd need to see. So it's either they feel lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:40 PM
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Men are more likely to be sexually assaulted by other men I won't argue that point barely moves the needle Got a source? Cause I'm assuming that it's under reported because it's not even a crime. Probably won't match women's rates but I'd argue it would move the needle by a significant margin. Put to it simply it's just not studied because people assume women are always victims. they keep getting away with it all the time It's an incredibly difficult thing to prove to begin with, now factor in o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:31 PM
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Alright cool men get commit the crimes and more men should get arrested for it we agree on that point. The second point I made and you ignored was women are allowed to get away with it too. They aren't arrested for rape because law doesn't allow for them to get arrested for it. I'd argue this will drastically fuck with the statistics on who is "actually" a victim since women sexually assaulting or raping men isn't a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:15 PM
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97% of rapists will never spend a single day Alright I'm gonna ask for a source on that number rich powerful This gets into another issue, it strays away from average men and women into class issues. A women murdered a driver in my country and fled back to the US because her husband was a diplomat. The rich rarely get punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:51 PM
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Rape is illegal, murder is illegal and men who shame women in public get shamed back. Women can shame, assault and harass men in public and nobody bats an eye. Hell it's impossible for women to even get arrested for rape in several countries because the definition only allows for men to be arrested for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:46 PM
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Shamed back. People dog pile on them and they have to retreat to echo chambers because it's not socially acceptable. This is a debate sub where you're supposed to exchange ideas and not all of them will be correct. This place allows that kind of behaviour but if they that stuff on the street any get shamed until they leave while women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:40 PM
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Criminals. Revenge porn is illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:34 PM
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Historically yes it was acceptable but this is the modern day. We're supposed to be the enlightened people who look back realise how bad things were. We've just swapped who we can shame for being failures. Female domestic abuse victims get government support, male victims aren't taken seriously. As much as red pill guys will say she should have chosen better they aren’t the ones deciding where the funding goes or who is eligible. Ps. They are losers on the internet too scared to show their faces
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:32 PM
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It's not just men that do it, women also shame men for not meet their standards but ultimately it's not all men and not all women. The main difference is that it's socially acceptable to shame men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:21 PM
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then are you saying the best solution is for women who can’t prove it to just shut up about it and suffer in silence? No but realistically what would be better? With the technology we have now what could we actually do? Without putting cameras in everyone's homes what is actually achievable? Lie detectors aren't even 100% accurate and have previously lead police astray because they got a false positive. We should make it better but right now I don't see a way without creating more problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:58 PM
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The issue is that you can't. It's a lose, lose scenario, without other evidence because it's literally their word against yours which is where cross examination attempts to see if a person is trustworthy. It's not perfect but it's the best we have right now. If we don't demand solid proof then anyone can make any lie and get someone innocent in jail, at least with multiple victims they can come together and speak with one voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:41 PM
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I think women just straight up should withhold sex for at least a couple months if they want to make sure a guy isn't trying to use them for sex. If the worry is if a guy will leave after they get sex the just put a hard line and make it clear. Ask ask to meet his friends and learn as much info before it, ask him about feminism early and see if what he says matches his actions. If a guy gets pushy then drop him immediately because he's outed himself. Regardless of any physical attraction or emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:43 AM
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I think a reason women tend to get rejected later on in a relationship is that even if the guy is being genuine with his intentions he had to spend the early part of the relationship performing and couldn't really assess if the woman was a good fit for him. He had to make her feel safe and so on so he couldn't think about if she's the one for him. Ps. When her guard is up then she's not being herself so only when it comes down can he see what she's like.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:33 AM
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Compatability is the goal but from the male perspective there's a sense we have to perform just to even be an option while women can sit back and judge if we're good enough. There isn't a balance when dating it leaves a lot of men exhausted while the message we keep hearing is "the bar is in hell" which tells us we have to do more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 08:15 AM
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Considering the bar is in hell it seems like there's not many men who can date without having to perform.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 11:10 PM
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And here you see men hating that they have to put on a mask and perform to be loved...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:13 PM
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And the issue is seems to be that women aren't happy when men just be themselves since women keep saying the bar is in hell. So we're left in a situation where women aren't happy with the amount of effort men normally put in and now men aren't happy having to perform.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:04 PM
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Well then I comend you for putting up with those guys. Eventually it'll get through or they'll die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:50 AM
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Say it to men, the people that actually need to hear that stuff. Men only hear the bar is in hell. All you're doing is building an echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:40 AM
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Then maybe women to just say that instead calling for more effort? Also quick question what is normal man to you? Gender roles play a massive factor in all this and since women don't need men anymore men have been struggling to find out where they fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:31 AM
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But then women say the bar is in hell which to me comes off as men don't do enough. The current thread reads like a guy who saw women complain about men not doing enough so put in more effort only to find it dehumanising and now women get offended that he's expressed his feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:13 AM
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It's pretty obvious that neither men nor women actually like each other at this point. Guys feel like they have to compete against literally every other option a woman has or they get ghosted and women feel like the bar is in hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:08 AM
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I'm agreeing with you here women's stories are 100% true but at the same time all 4 billion of those women aren't perfect angels too. With the main topic of this thread some women are are gonna demand a lot for basically nothing in return and a saying some of the 4 billion women didn't cross paths with men is gonna be willful ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:54 PM
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I don't doubt women's stories are 100% true at the same time there's literally 4 billion men on the planet, everyone of them literally can't be an asshole looking for a chance to hurt women or the whole world would treat women the same ways the Arabic countries do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:35 PM
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And this is the crux of the gender war, feelings and personal experiences. Men feel like they have put on a show for disinterested women and women get hurt by asshole men. Both groups have had real experiences but we only see our own perspective and assume it's the only one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:29 PM
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Those two things aren't mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:11 PM
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Ok I'm gonna nit pick your language for a sec. "A lot" doesn't mean all and I'm assuming you didn't marry the first person to ask you a question about yourself. That still means there's more to it than just literally shower and ask questions. From personal experience and the testimony of several friends some of which are lesbians and endless internet stories, women are picky. At the same time there's a large section of men who don't even shower ask basic questions about the girl they're dating. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:02 PM
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So what percentage of guys were unwashed or uninterested in you because unless you're only dating narcissists or homeless guys almost everyone you date will ask stuff about you or at least showered that day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:37 PM
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We both know if it were that was it than women would attracted to basically everyman man they meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:13 PM
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I do consistently hear women saying "the bar is in hell" to me this says men don't put in enough effort and now we have men expressing that it feels like he's performing because women aren't happy with him just being himself. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, women expecting too much and men doing too little.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:34 PM
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What sort of “permanent solution” would you propose? Really it a 100 little things that shape what a man should be in society but a major one be when men are allowed to be vulnerable. Men are shamed both my men and women when they show emotion outside of major events, to put it simply people don't want to deal with men's emotions but expect men to deal with women's emotions. Role models is another major one. Often young men will try and emulate their male role models but without good ones they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:40 AM
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If men’s movements can’t get off the ground because not enough men care about anything except getting their dicks wet and shit talking women, that’s not on feminism to fix. Yes and no. If the men start doing what they're doing now and attack women's rights then shouldn't feminism look for a permanent solution? It's like building a tower but not reinforcing it. Sure you can just build it again if it falls but why not reinforce it so it can't collapse. I agree men should have our own movement but …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:08 AM
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Because y'all don't move with the times. Instead y'all whine that women aren't picking you when you have nothing to offer. Most women have nothing to offer but sex. I'm not trying to misogynistic but most women are just as broke and dull as most guys, it's just that guys value random sex so they're willing lower their standards further than most women are willing to go meaning women continue to be in demand. Also as much as some women hate men approaching there's an equal number that don't want …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 06:41 AM
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Same as they did previously. Yes and no. 1920s women generally would lower their standards overtime since they couldn't support themselves without some kind of male intervention but women can so outside of wanting a man there's no reason to lower them. Really only been since the 70s that women could get mortgages and credit cards without a man being involved. Each relationship is unique and should determine what is fair. Agreed but within reason. Like one person obviously shouldn't have complete…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 05:44 AM
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Not really, if it were purely that then men would just enslave women again. It's more like a negotiation now, both people look for the best deal they can get but as always 50/50 split is what's fair but doesn't exactly make you feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 05:11 AM
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Depends if you're honest about it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:36 AM
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Then quite simply do it. Enforce those boundaries, make it clear because that's what communication is all about. If the guy gets frustrated then leave but show interest so the right guy actually know you are interested and doesn't have to second guess every decision because you aren't communicating. Be the change you want to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:33 PM
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From the company's view hiring a woman who plans on taking maternity leave is literally worse than just hiring a man. It's cold uncaring capitalism at play and it just so happens to be misogynistic. Maternity leave means she doesn't do her job which means she's dead weight. Worker's rights prevents this sort of behaviour so the company tries to find some reason to not hire her in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:55 PM
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I think women shouldn't really sleep with men early if they want to be sure if the guy isn't just interested in their body. As for how that works when it comes to showing interest just do all the stuff men do already. Ask about hobbies, plan dates, offer to pay, give gifts etc. Don't be passive when courting but make it clear that by no means are you going to sleep with him early. If he doesn't like that or tries to pressure you into sex then he's outed himself as someone who doesn't care about …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:07 PM
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Care to explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:43 AM
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I guess what your trying to say is be content on your own the issue is there's a difference between being single by choice and being single because nobody wants you. A lot of people give that advice without ever experiencing that level loneliness. From personal experience it even ruins times with friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:39 PM
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OF initially wasn't meant to be a porn service then people started making porn and they realised how much many they were making. As to why I don't the owners it's harder to hate a faceless corporations than the person on your screen. Overall I don't really even hate the creators or the company behind it, I'm more just annoyed. Hate is something that throws a wrench in my emotions, this is at most an eye roll before moving on and not sparing a second thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:08 PM
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Yeah they have the decency to keep to the porn sites where people are looking for it. I don't mind sex work but don't place it everywhere anyone can see. I don't like ads at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:36 PM
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Probably because he's married. Data brokers sell or info all the time and they use it to curate ads. That he moved past them quickly so the algorithm got the message.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:15 PM
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I don't hate OF hate is too strong a word it's more like annoyed. I'm not looking for porn when I'm doom scrolling. As for other ads, I dislike all ads. Let me scroll in peace. If I need something I'll Google it and it'll be right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:11 PM
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That's probably true but when I opened my account I got spammed with the stuff and had to avoid anything remotely related to it. I had to make an effort to not see thirst traps and OF creators on my feed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:58 PM
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I guess we just have different interests then or they aren't really paying attention 🤷 On YouTube I don't get anything like that at all, Facebook neither but Instagram one comes up occasionally and I just move right past it. For me it's not common but I know some guys who get it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:50 PM
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Again algorithms target based on interests and have probably guessed you're a woman. That or some data broker sold your info so the site knows you're a woman and doesn't show that content.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:44 PM
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Oh yeah, the main thing is to completely avoid it like the plague but that doesn't mean it's not there, you've still had to put in work to avoid seeing it. On Instagram I see one occasionally despite avoid all thurst traps like it'll kill me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:36 PM
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Well the algorithm will likely figure out if someone is a man and start showing them based off interests alone. Algorithms a specifically designed to fuck with people so based off the posts you interact with they'll have probably guessed your a woman and filter out said creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:27 PM
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it’s so easy why don’t men do that now because women choose wealthy men even today. Some women choose wealthy men, name a male millionaire and he's either got a girlfriend, wife or a long line of Ex If a man has to be wealthy or has to provide to get a woman then he has to WORK to get her. Completely agree. When I said wealthy I meant it as relative to what she thinks her value is when it comes to modern dating. A girl will make is easy to spend time with you when she's into you but getting a gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:30 PM
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When men controlled women they didn’t make it easy for other men to get access to them 😂 if anything it was even harder Yes and no, men had to achieve only one thing and that was wealth, a father would sell his daughter for something and the daughter had no say. Once the sale was complete said guy didn't have to kind, caring or even attractive to her but now men have to still have enough wealth to satisfy the woman but also be attractive enough for her and have a personality she likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:38 PM
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If women didn’t make it hard for men to get them pregnant humans probably would have died out by now Not really, men controlled women for hundreds of years but that's not really the point I want to discuss. Women think men are dangerous and I fully understand why. There are millions of dangerous men out there and it only takes one to turn a woman into a statistic but the male population is around 4 billion. For every 1 dangerous man there's 10 who have zero desire to hurt women but women treat a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:26 PM
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High body counts in men are seen as a proof of desirablity, men generally have to make the first move and court women and a man failing to find a partner is usually framed as him not being good enough. So if a guy had a high body count seen as him being not just good enough but exceptional. Meanwhile women are generally passive in the courting process, women get approached and assess if the man approaching her is good enough for her. The effort for women is generally shown later in the relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:38 PM
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It think you're missing something. When you struggle to date it's because nobody wants you, sex is a part of it but it's the loneliness men are struggling with. I will admit a lot of us shoot ourselves in the foot by making it about sex but society right now is very sex orientated. A guy sees women complain about getting too much attention and wanting to be left alone while he hasn't gotten a compliment in years. It's two separate worlds thinking the other has it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:28 PM
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If find the main issue with blue bill being "not red" is it means the red pill gets to define itself whatever it wants while blue can only live within the margins.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 07:38 PM
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All of these scream deflection. It's I don't want to answer and you hope the person takes that as you trying to be mysterious rather than hide something embarrassing. Ultimately telling the truth will end badly for the virgin guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:03 PM
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On this sub but this is a debate sub people who come here are generally gonna have more nuanced takes than most people out there who probably never even think about stuff like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:01 PM
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I'd say it more depends on the woman. Most would view it as a sign there's something wrong with the guy if he managed to get into his mid to late 20s without losing it. A guy who make it his whole personality will obviously scare of all women who come his way but even then it's still viewed as a mark against you even if it just means the sex is most likely gonna be bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:59 PM
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That's the thing we're dealing with what is socially acceptable and socially expected. It's all gender roles and stepping out of said roles or failing to meet them is put on you as a moral failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:48 PM
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I'd guess it's do to being an example of what a good/bad man is. For daughters it shows the type of guy they should look for/avoid so they don't end up in terrible marriages. For sons it's an example of what they should/shouldn't be when they leave the nest and how they should/shouldn't treat women. Ultimately both parents are still people and should be equally valued in their relationship and should put the child above themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:16 PM
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I feel like there's aren't many male activists that get much attention like Greta Thunberg or Anita Sarkeesian. Both aren't A listers but you they're recognisable within their spheres. There just aren't many men who get that much publicity for activism and thus men have so few examples of good men who aren't wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:04 PM
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Then isn't simply telling women to be careful at night victim blaming? If saying hey watch out for xyz is victim blaming I guess we shouldn't tell women about this stuff at all then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:06 PM
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It's not the fault of the victim at any point but there are thing people can do to make it harder to end up a victim. We lock our doors because we know there thieves are out there and not taking drinks from strangers or going to a second location are things within our power we can do to make it harder to end up in said situation. Nobody deserves it or asks for it but we take precautions against it anyway because the malicious people don't care about people's well being.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:51 PM
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I was assuming the girl is an adult. When you're a child others are meant to protect you and any failure on that isn't your fault by any stretch of the imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:45 PM
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Yes and no Knowing some men can be rapists will mean she'll be careful and not put herself in a position where I'd be easy for a man to do that. At the same time assuming the worst of everyone because they're born a certain way just makes you an asshole. Where I draw the line is treating a guy you don't know as if see already a rapist instead of just being careful. This would mean ostracising men because they're men while not accepting a drink from a stranger or not going back to their place whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:37 PM
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Yeah but it's a lot easier said then done. Even if you have friends and family if you can't get a relationship despite trying it will eat away at you. The one thing you can’t achieve will always eat away at you especially if it's something seen as simple but important.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:27 PM
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Again men and women live in different worlds. If a guy got 100 dates at 22 most men would think he's the giga chad eveyone talks about. Getting dates as a man is like a job interview, you have to meet so many standards because women have so many options that they have no choice but to filter out as many guys as possible. It's watching someone drown while you're dying of thirst.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:02 PM
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I can see we're talking in circles so I'm gonna dip here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:39 AM
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So I guess everything is fine then. You have the freedom to do whatever you want and nobody has a right to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:44 PM
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But people feel it. People think of guy who has a low paying job as a loser, people feel the fact they've spent all their energy at work when they get home and have cook and clean up, people feel it at the end of the weekend knowing Monday means it's back to grind trying to make enough to see it though the month. People feel it when something in the house breaks and they've got to scrape together enough money to fix it. The people that don't see it still feel it even if they haven't realised why…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:48 PM
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A pretty major part of our lives. Like a full 3rd of most of most our days are spent at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:15 PM
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No but you must work to live, it's a prerequisite for everything else if you're not a trust fund kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:08 PM
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Basically every company have that policy. Senior staff are just more valuable than the new hire.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:13 PM
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Sure when you a single person wants to return and item the company will give you your money back because your 1 sale won't effect the bottem line since they 50,000 other customers just like you fighting that battle just isn't worth it. However when you a worker has an issue with your boss HR isn't your friend. Your boss is higher on the totem pole then you so HR is there to defend them. We see that all the time, a company's environment becomes so toxic that new hires are burned out in just a cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:05 PM
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Legally we're?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:51 AM
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We're capitalist, it's all about the haves and have nots. The US doesn't even have universal health care, if you're not successful enough to afford insurance you're out of luck. Europe is better but still capitalist. Success is what matters in capitalism and men who aren't successful must find a way to become successful because society does not value unsuccessful men. Why do you think most military recruits come from poorer backgrounds? It's an guaranteed career path if you survive deployment. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:42 AM
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Maybe I worded it poorly or you missed my point. We as a society tell men to be better, be better than other men and be better than women. Men don't care about women's accomplishments because men are supposed to be better. When women earn more they generally aren't interested in those men so we have a system where men are supposed to rise above others to be valued but not all men can do so. Said men who fail to meet the mark are told to be better but have already failed to be better so they act …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:47 AM
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Yes and no. Men feel inadequate when women earn more than them, it's how we're socialised. To fit into men's traditional roles we have to earn more, when we don't we get called lazy be it from our partner or other men and women. As society see it men should earn more and when we don't conform both ourselves and others will punish us for it. A guy might act when he doesn't earn more, he might try to tear down his wife but this is due to a feeling of inadequacy. It's the same with incels, they don…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:58 AM
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I think this is point of division with men and woman. For women the advice is find a man who loves you for you and for men the advice is do better. Men don't have value as they are but women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:43 AM
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Financial stability is just difficult in today's economy. The elites started screwing over the world back in the 80s and now all that mess needs cleaning but none of them want to start. Humour and confidence are often contextual. If you don't put yourself in situation where these things can be shown then it just won't happen. This ties into to people being social. With the internet and covid combo made it so people just don't want or need to go out. A person can entertain themselves, work and fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:32 AM
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You do realize it automatically leaves the other two as representatives of the movement? Unfortunately yes but saying you're anti feminist makes you look like you're against women's rights which ultimately just makes you the bad guy. My hope is if enough people who believe in true equality keep talking we can convince people to spread the same message. It's an up hill battle even on feminist sub-reddits. But feminists are in the best position to internalise the message since the whole idea of br…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:25 PM
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Unfortunately that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:18 PM
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There's multiple versions of it like with any major movement. Some just hate men and use it as an excuse. Some want "equality" but still hold men to their traditional roles. Some want true equality which requires men and women give up their traditional roles and be treated the same regardless of gender. There's also many different opinions on how to achieve said goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:51 PM
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But isn't feminism about equality? Women focusing on themselves can only get so far. While I do agree men should have their own movement as things are now any movement focusing on men will be hijacked by the right and used to push men into oppressing women. The practical solution is to get feminism to help promote what good men look like so men have good examples of what men should be that don't come from the right. From where I'm standing feminism in the west has gotten to a point where the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:27 PM
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The answer doesn't state anything other than no partner violence. It doesn't say where, when or even if the perpetrator was male. The US specific answer eliminates the where but still gives no time frame or other specifics. I'd 100% believe the stats are true if not under reported but as for number of men committing such acts the stat I keep seeing is that's it's maybe 1/10 committing multiple acts to different women. One thing we know for sure is that crime has gone down overall I the US but wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:45 PM
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Ultimately if you're sharing intimate secrets about someone without their consent then you're just an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 02:50 AM
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I'd agree that when a guy does ask for empathy he's usually not the type to give it in return but most men generally aren't allowed to show emotion outside of life altering events. A guy who gets dumped is supposed to get back on his horse can keep moving while girls are showered with affection and support. So this doesn't turn into another women bad rant I'll say this does mainly come down to how guys are socialised. We're supposed to be manly it shows up in our friendships along with how men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 09:50 PM
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I think he's talking about when women say the like dad bods when they're talking about an off season body builder or an actor who isn't maintaining his strict diet for a film. They're definitely muscular but not what most men would consider a dad bod.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 09:40 PM
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Everyone desires empathy but men get mocked for asking for it, men have to prove ourselves worthy of something as basic as empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 03:58 PM
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I keep saying this but women shouldn't sleep with a guy until he shows commitment. Blatantly ask him about feminism and is opinions early then see if he walks the walk, hold off on sex until you're sure and make it clear, if he gets pushy you should end it. A guy who has empathy for women and wants to get to know you will be willing to wait. Ideally you know a lot about him and met his friends before you end up sleeping with him and this will scare off most guys with ulterior motives. Just make …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:24 PM
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Ultimately it's all about if you care what people think. You shouldn't have to change yourself to find love but if you don't conform your options are slim. A guy who doesn't shower shouldn't expect women to date him without changing his behaviour and a woman who's obese shouldn't expect men to date her without changing her behaviour. The only thing I think has any real point are things based on genetics but ultimately you can't change a person's preferences and can only seek out those who are ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:58 PM
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Then ask if she's flirting or just being touchy. If she's being touchy and flirty but doesn't want a relationship with you establish the boundary if you feel uncomfortable. If you don't feel uncomfortable then now you know it's platonic and that's just the new dynamic of the friendship. I've got something similar with 2 lesbian friends of mine. They're clearly lesbians but we flirt and we all know that no point is this ever gonna happen. It's become an inside joke of the friendship that we just …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:32 AM
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It really depends on if you became friends to date her or were friends first then got feelings. If it's the former then yeah, you had no interest in her other than to date her. She's not actually your friend, you were using friendship as a tactic to get a relationship. If she was your friend then you got feelings I'd say don't break up the friendship. Maybe take some time away if you're hurting but don't just end it. In this case you were actually friends beforehand so you already like her outsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:30 PM
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It's cause men generally have lower standards then women. We would rather our partner be our best friend but if doesn't happen most men won't break up with a girl over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:00 PM
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Personally I don't understand strip clubs so the mind of a guy who frequents them is just as alien to me. Overall I lean toward yes it's simping. It's the same as the streamer, she's working and wants your money for as little effort as possible. If you enjoyed the show then maybe you could call it a tip but again I don't understand the appeal of strip clubs. At least with streamers their personality and the subject matter is what keeps me interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:48 PM
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A guy who debases himself to please a girl who gives nothing in return. The typical example is a guy donating a ton of money to a female streamer in hopes that she'll date him. Paying for dates is not simping if you're already in a relationship where there's equal effort on both sides. I can't really think of an example that would be misandry if my book. Reciprocation is the key. Treating your partner well is a must but you have to make sure they're doing the same. The old dynamic was men having…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:50 PM
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Oh yeah this is the best time in human history. Men and women have been given the freedom to experiment but now we have to figure out what works for everyone. This is a transition period while men and women figure out the new dynamics. The only thing I can say for certain right now is that neither men nor women are currently where we'll be when the dust settles.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:39 PM
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While dating, my husband didn't "provide" for me. Key word being me. You are the expectation, while many women will mock a guy for wanting to split the bill or not giving princess treatment. As a woman: no. Care to give anymore explanation?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:49 PM
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you mean like providing? because women do that Women provide only when they're sure the guy won't stop later. A guy has to provide from day one and can't hold women to the same standard. 50/50 only beings when the woman feels ready, until then the guy generally keeps the relationship moving and alive. Because men throw a tantrum over it if there is no sex after While throwing a tantrum isn't the right response if a guy isn't getting anything out of a relationship he should end it. In my book it …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:11 PM
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This is where the economy comes in. Men providing wasn't an issue before women worked. A single factory job could provide for a family, it wouldn't be glamorous but it was doable. Women working increased competition for jobs that women wanted so lower wages became acceptable. Most high paying jobs don't have many women doing them. Women working also meant that households had more money in general so households were more willing to accept higher prices. We also have to factor in all the ways the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:52 PM
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I think that's a variable but not the variable. Men get mocked for wearing shoe inserts to appear taller but women can wear push up bras and nobody cares. Both aesthetically enhance something you can't really control outside of cosmetic surgery but only men get mocked for trying to artificially meet the other's standards. Women will say it's for themselves but ultimately men set the standard for what a good looking woman is and women set the standard for what a good looking man is. So while they…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:35 PM
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It's just the way society is. Men are expendable and worthless until they prove themselves and saying otherwise makes the guy arrogant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 05:30 PM
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Honestly we all should, it would solve so much of the gender war.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:45 AM
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Damn that's rare. Most women would rather die than message first.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:41 PM
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Quick question did you make the first move or did your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:36 PM
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One of my Exs literally asked my opinion on feminism on the first date, I'd honestly recommend it. If fails he the vibe check then you can just get out of there and if he passes you now have him on record saying XYZ and you can see if his actions match his words.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:19 PM
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Lmao yes. Alright then. I see you and I fundamentally disagree so I'll dip out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:25 PM
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Can you really say every single man on the face of the earth would cheat if they got a chance? If even 1 person has is good then is ok to condem a whole group. Being careful I understand, choosing to simply avoid I think is ok too but hate I think is too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:22 PM
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If asking you not to hate someone because of they were born a certain way but due to their actions is too much for you I'll end the conversation here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:02 PM
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Jews are vermin inside and out Men are vermin inside and out Women are vermin inside and out See the difference? Granted the action isn't there but language has the same hate behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:51 PM
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I understand the hate but hating someone because of the circumstances of their birth just makes you an asshole. My family were slaves and my uncle got beaten to within an inch of his life by cops yet I'm not here calling all white people vermin. I hate racists because they've shown hate towards me and people like me but the random white person on the bus is innocent as far as I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:33 PM
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Damn girl what is your story? This is the kind of hate I usually only see from neo nazis. Some legitimate kill em all kind of rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:10 PM
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Competence Confidence without competence is just being cocky. Being able to follow through shows you can actually perform when needed. A core part of masculinity is being able to perform and men are expected to perform. When a man can't perform he's mocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:32 PM
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I think this is the crux of the gender war. Women want men to hold other men to account and men respond with almost the exact same answer you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:37 AM
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Let me take it from the top If I don't don't consider her good enough to be the mother of my children I don't have sex with her. If I want sex but don't want a kid my options are a condom or vasectomy. She can abort a child whenever she wants end of. If she doesn't want an abortion but I still had sex with her then I'm shit out of luck and I have to take care of the kid. The smart thing to do is to know your partner before you have sex. You should get to know the girl and if she wants kids right…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 09:52 PM
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I'm pro choice but here's the bit you're missing. You as a man don't get one when it comes to abortion. Her body her choice. If she wants kids I'm not sleeping with her it's simple. I'm not gonna put myself in a compromised position because I got horny one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 09:21 PM
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You're agreeing to the all the risks that you're aware of. Diseases and pregnancy. If you don't want either practice safe sex or just don't have sex. It also goes without saying but know the person you're sleeping with before you have sex with them. You're less likely to diseases or get baby trapped if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 09:13 PM
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It's probably both This place is depressing sometimes but I keep coming back 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 09:07 PM
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I mean the cost of living keeps going up. You used to be able to provide for a family on 1 income and still buy a house but now that is impossible unless you're a high earner. Yeah mentality is a part of it but then logistics is the uncaring master of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 09:03 PM
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Assuming there was consent by both parties, you agreed to the risk of pregnancy. If you didn't want a child there's steps men can take to prevent a pregnancy regardless of if the woman wants kids or not. Yes women having the ultimate choice on if the pregnancy is carried to term or not isn't exactly fair to men but they also have to carry and give birth to the child which has it's own set of risks. Giving men a vote in this means women literally losing control of their bodies. The bottom line is…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:48 PM
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The kind of MRA I'm talking about aren't the guys who whine about women not sleeping with men or being forced to take care of children they fathered. What I mean is that women have moved on from traditional gender roles and expectations while men are still largely held to them. Largely the means talking to all men and conservative women to changing their opinions on what it means to be a man. I'll give maternity leave and the pay gap as an example. Some women complain about the pay gap without u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 10:12 AM
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Look, I don't care to engage any further. Enjoy your day and all the rest to come.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:37 PM
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Obviously with stuff like this there's nuance and only people who don't go outside can't see that The language both men and women use is a major factor for said loss of nuance, we tend to paint eveyone with the same brush with the words we use. Either a woman is a virgin or she's racking up a count. This is nice example. I've never said this but I'm sure you've met someone on this sub who has but now you assume I'm just like that guy and make the same black and white statements and generalisatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:35 PM
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There's a difference between chaining multiple short disastrous relationships and having longer relationships that just didn't work out. If a man or a woman keeps ending up in disastrous relationships it speaks about their character. A couple relationships that blew up could just be bad luck but when it's consistent then they should look inwards cause they'll probably be the only consistent thing in those relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:06 PM
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MRA are needed but the messages keep being co-opted by the the right. It's a constant struggle to make sure the right messages get through without looking being labelled as misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:56 PM
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I'd probably say there's both men who claim to be nice while being balls of hate and misogyny and men who are genuinely nice. It's just that genuinely nice people don't say they're nice unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:48 AM
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I used love and lust as to mean two different men. Her husband will love her while most will just lust after her. Also I was primarily speaking about the west, I guess I should have clarified. In the middle east yeah women's options are slim as fuck and in East Asia it's generally more ridged than the west but not as ridged as in the middle east. Africa has tons of various beauty standards that just look completely alien to the west and South America is generally sits somewhere between the west …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 05:48 AM
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It's variable but generally I think it goes like this: Women are more loving than men but only with specific men but men are more loving in general. The bar to attain love is lower with men and men have to wine and dine to get love from women. The bar for lust with men is non-existent and the bar for lust with women is very high. Women are generally allowed to be whatever they want and still find men who will love and lust for them while men have to fit a mold to be loved and be extremely attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:12 AM
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Bruh you're falling for the bait...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:26 PM
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Yeah you said it. Male attention is so abundant that it doesn't matter if women are attuned with reality or not, she'll find a man willing to debase himself just to please her. Men should start dating like women and only then can a real negotiation begin.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:08 PM
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Yeah but all of that only matters when kids become a factor. Until a couple decides to have kids it's simply a what if and not a fact. Women want 60/40 when kids aren't even on the table yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:01 PM
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Personalities. I'd figure out what their deal is before anything gets serious or sleeping with them. I'd meet in public, get a feel for them and by no means would I sleep with them on the first date. I'd probably start with which ever looked prettiest but in no way would I expose myself to harm until I'm sure I can trust them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:29 AM
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The thing is all of this is it's conformation bias. You think there's something wrong so you look for something wrong. When you find it you go I always knew there was something off about him. If you don't get a vibe then you don't look for anything and get blindsided. When a someone who's attractive walks in the halo effect takes hold and you stop looking and stuff that might have caught your attention goes by. Men and women get caught up in the halo effect so claiming any gender has a radar for…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:51 AM
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I'm asking for the same level of effort I put in. At the first date I don't know if you're worth it and you don't if I'm worth it so maximum effort isn't worth it. Later on if I take you to a fancy dinner I expect the same level of effort. It doesn't have to be the a fancy dinner it doesn't have to cost money but it must require the same effort. If I don't get it then the question is what does this relationship add to my life comes up and I can't see anything I leave. All relationships are give …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:56 PM
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The issue is the factors that get men a date don't correlate to how likely he is to harm a woman. You just end up being harmed by a more attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:25 PM
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It's shown as less than the bare minimum And that's why I'm a depressionmaxxer. I realised that society is so fucked cause a few people pissed in the dating pool and now people aren't after relationships but the idea of a relationship. What let's people know they're getting a a fair cut is seen a worthless so we play the game, get burned and hope next time is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:22 AM
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As a man I've already had to walk up and start a conversation and probably planned the date. We've both decided to spend our time so the fair thing would be to at least split the bill. If the relationship goes on I'll show interest by paying attention to your interests and probably planning more dates. Is it too much to ask that women do the same? I'm not asking for the full treatment but take over date planning a couple times to show this isn't one sided. If it gets to the point where kids are …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:55 AM
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Married women work and still do the majority of the homemaking and raising the kids Look obviously there's different women with different expectations but if she wants to spend time with the kids doing house work, I'll pick up the slack elsewhere. If she's expecting me to buy her gift after gift then I need some kind of return, it doesn't have to be sex but it has to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:13 AM
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Only today will you hear mfs complain they have to approach women. It's not that we have to approach but the inequality of our "equal" society. Women don't need men but still want us to wine and dine them without doing the same for us, I want a girl that will put in the same effort. If women want equality then it has to be equal. If she wants 50/50 that's cool but don't expect me to pay for everything and not wonder what am I getting out of this relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:55 PM
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I've seen women and studies claiming women are just as lonely as men. It's just that the amount of lonely men isn't had high as people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:30 PM
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Yeah I think while the red pill has an identity the blue is more a loose collection of people the don't agree with the red pill To me the purple is the middle ground where things like the halo effect and genetics are acknowledged as things that give people a clear major advantage but not the end game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:12 PM
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Men haven't adapted but I don't most women have either. It's just that women are generally passive when it comes to finding relationships and men have to put in effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:05 PM
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I think there's a couple of factors to this. Men are more sexual than women so we're jealous of their access to sex Women don't like being with inexperienced men and don't like teaching men Women with more experience realise what they want and get frustrated when they can't get it which leads back into them not spending their time teaching men. If a guy has no or little access he can't gain experience so most women disqualify him regardless of other traits. Overall everyone needs experience but …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:55 PM
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You won't get a rep for asking a few girls out per year The exact number differs depending on the size of the social circle but "a few" suggests more than 2 but still single digits. So you basically agreed with me. Ask a bunch of girls from your social circle out and you get a rep. Remember men generally have way lower standards than women so the guy might actually want to give the relationship a shot and if he acted on each feeling he'll get a reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 06:04 PM
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You become that guy going around the single women of the group asking for dates... Neither are great but cold approaching and the apps don't have the risk of giving you a rep among the women you actually know. For me asking 1 or 2 girls from your social circle is fair but after that the rest of the group is off limits unless one of the girls really tries to get your attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 03:40 PM
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Sexual assault is a fucking crime bro
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 11:26 AM
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The police are supposed to launch and investigation and gather proof. If the victim has footage or any other evidence it's a plus but the police have the responsibility to launch a proper investigation into whatever criminal case it was and bring it to court.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 11:07 AM
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Yeah? People's priorities change overtime. The 20 year old who spends their time having fun might want to start a family at 30 while the 30 year old who never got to have fun gets bitter and full of resentment. A woman who spends her youth having fun might settle down when ready. A man who spends his youth might having fun might settle down when really. Anyone that doesn't get to spend their youth having fun can become bitter, feel like they wasted their life and resent the people that got that …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:20 PM
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In a collectivist society it would be that way. The problems of others would be my responsibility to fix. Homelessness, crime, drug abuse, women's issues and men's. We're individualistic so men don't want to fix women's and issues and women don't want to fix men's. The mindset is I've got mine so I'm gonna take the life boat and leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:40 AM
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There will never a consensus by men on either of these. Men and women aren't monoliths and no matter much women or men ask for change we can only control ourselves and to a lesser extent the people in our lives. Men shouldn't harm women but women shouldn't blame every guy they see as the cause of their woes. Such group think only works if society goes into a collectivist mindset where the individual serves the whole and thus the whole is responsible for the individual. Right now we're individual…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:32 AM
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Oh so true and so annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:26 PM
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That's a good response. If I was Jewish I'd use that so often 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:21 PM
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When it comes to me personally I don't care about breast size, I just used it as an example since it's something men care about and women can't control. On the individual level yeah do what you want be who you want and nobody can really do anything about it, the same is true for men and women. This is purely a macro problem and again a small part of a larger picture when it comes to what is a man in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:18 PM
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Well if a woman wants a career kids have to wait. First you get through college then spend the rest of your 20s establishing yourself and then into your 30s when the biological clock starts ticking and the woman has to make the choice. Kids or a career. Most companies don't like mothers since they take maternity leave and if a family emergency comes up the kids will likely take priority over the important meeting. Kids usually just nuke any chance a woman gets of getting the corner office since …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:05 AM
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A lot rich guys have kids and sometimes with different women. Elon had like 14 kids between 4 women. Zuck has 3 from the same woman. Trump has 5 between 3 women. Jeff has 3 biological children all from the same woman and 1 adopted (did see an article saying he has 7 but it had a pay wall). Drake has 1 confirmed kid and possibly a second if you believe kendrick. Kendrick Lamar has 2 from his wife. I'm not saying the main post is true but guys with money tend to have families.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:51 AM
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It's all about masculinity and how it shows The way the red pill would tell it is that it goes back to cave man days. The local ruler has guards so his wife is protected meanwhile the local badass can just kill whoever threatens his wife. Both results in the wife and children surviving meanwhile the nice guy get murdered when the next tribe wanders in and takes his wife so he doesn't reproduce. Obviously in real life there's more to it than just reproduction and genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:41 AM
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It goes back to colonialism White people superior, everyone else inferior. Getting a white girl can be seen as a mark of pride, like you made it you're superior. Meanwhile white men dating minority woman can have racial undertones when said women for often raped by their oppressors. In Asia there's still a whole thing about whiteness being superior and not dating darker people. During the Korean war an American doctor basically made plastic surgery for women to appear more European so they could…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:35 AM
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Overall it's a small part of a larger picture, women are told they can be what they want without criticism and can still find love or perceived as beautiful. Guy number 78 might disagree but people will defend her and take him down. Men generally still have to fit a mold to be considered desirable and height is a part of that. The only difference being people won't defend men when women mock short guys. If I were to say women below certain breast size don't deserve love or I just won't date thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:24 AM
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Probably but constant rejection can definitely create some issues in an otherwise normal person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:48 PM
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I can't focus on rubbing the clit and keeping my dick hard during penetrative at the same time. It doesn't work for me, I will go soft. Vibrators baby, it does the work so you don't have to. Don't get weird about your manhood if you can't please her and yourself just use a tool to compensate. She'll probably like you more cause since your ego isn't getting in the way of her fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:42 PM
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Damn. You're lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:31 PM
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But she's already taught him the skills to satisfy another women so can easily transfer those skills once he learns her body. The next won't have to teach him so he's fine if his current girlfriend says or goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:20 PM
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I know 1 guy who said he's a bad sex and his ex was abusive so I'm gonna class that as a niche case. Not engaging is something men complain about but again they probably could finish if they wanted to. It could be better because said woman isn't actually a silicone doll. The doll won't (or at least shouldn't) get up and start moaning but even eye contact or any indication that you want to be there would be better than staring into space. When it comes to men having sex with an actual woman the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:38 AM
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The pressure for sex I imagine is extremely common but it doesn't have to be amazing sex. Like I said before a silicone doll is enough so unless the guy was so brain rotted from porn or extreme fetishes that normal sex isn't good enough (which I would class as niche cases) just getting it would be enough to satisfy most men. The wanton abandon when it comes to lust is an ego thing. If you don't go to the same lengths for him as your previous boyfriends he feels like you don't like him as much. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:23 AM
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Does it matter? Her sex life gets good and her man learns.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:54 AM
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they don’t like teaching men actually That's what I mean. A woman who isn't weird about teaching her man is something great.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:52 AM
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Men are easy to please. We hear so many stories of women in a dead bedroom where she doesn't enjoy it but her husband is just fine. Literally a silicone doll is enough. So I don't think this ever really happens outside of niche cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:49 AM
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Bruh wtf? A woman willing to take initiative and actually teach men is literally the golden ticket to solving men's insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:46 AM
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We certainly can but it's the public perception. Wearing shoe lifts and makeup is seen as a bad thing for a man to do while women wear so many things to make themselves look better. Women do complain about beauty standards when it comes to how much they have to doll themselves up and men get shamed for attempting to doll themselves up. Nobody is happy about having to do stuff to themselves to be seen as pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:03 AM
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And you've never had an argument about something or your partner doesn't have one annoying habit that you've had to work through?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:57 PM
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It's not that it's unrealistic it's how society treats male and female preferences A guy who wants a girl with big boobs is seen as objectifying women. It's something women can't really control outside of cosmetic surgery. A woman who wants a tall guy is seen as normal. It's something men can't really control outside of cosmetic surgery. See the difference? While most women don't exactly have a specific number a guy has to reach and the minimum is just being taller than her society still treats …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:53 PM
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While crime has generally gone down our knowledge has increased. Now a person is exposed those crime statistics on a daily basis when previously you'd only hear about major crimes and crimes in your local area. Everything from the news to social media tells women that men routinely hurt women for shits and giggles so wonder they're afraid of us. I'll use the police an example. The police have always been the biggest gang in the US it's just that now you hear about their crimes, meanwhile every b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:37 PM
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Obviously I missed out a lot and the pocket change analogy wasn't perfect but that's the male perspective. It's clearly flawed cause we're standing on one side of the fence having our own problems and projecting them onto women. Then there's the nuance of personal preference vs how the popular culture shows groups of people. Maybe I just added the the confusion here...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:04 AM
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To rephrase it in a better way (at last to me) is to say women don't value causal sex cause it's easily available so motional connection with a partner becomes new bar that women aim for. Men can't get casual sex easily so emotional connection isn't even on the radar. A person with infinite wealth doesn't care about pocket change and looks for something more fulfilling while a person struggling to get a meal does and doesn't concern themselves with higher goals. They might say something like why…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 10:35 PM
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Oh ok, sorry about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:26 PM
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It really doesn't help PPD men threatening Handmaids Tale if women keep their high standards though I think you're miss understanding my intention. I didn't threaten to create the handmaid's tale what I said was "Men might literally create the handmaid's tale if the pendulum swings back. It's in your best interest to make sure the pendulum doesn't swing back and changing men is the most sure fire solution to make sure it doesn't." I never said lower your standards what I meant was give men the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:20 PM
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Bear vs man Took me a while to understand but now I get that women view men as literally worse than a bear. Is it fair? Debatable. Is it sexist? Probably, but that's how women feel and all I can do is try to make them feel safer with me than the bear. Mandatory dna I don't see an issue with this. If it's your baby then it's on record and he can't skip town one day saying it's not my kid and make you track him down to get the test done as proof. If you cheated then you're an asshole. Since it wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:09 PM
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I don't think they ever went to war specifically to cull the male population but the single male population were just avaliable as cannon fodder. The ones that made it back would have gotten the spoils of war and maybe a medal so they could use those to secure a wife or increase their standing in society. If you look into various armies and expeditions you can find some units were made up primarily of said single young men. The original British settlements in America like James Town usually didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:14 AM
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It really depends on the woman Kids still mean a woman's career basically comes to an end unless she works through maternity leave and never spends time with it. Companies select people for leadership positions based on how committed they are along with skill. If a woman is the most skilled in the office but takes maternity leave she tells the senior staff that she's not all in and might have to skip an important meeting when a family emergency happens. Guys usually didn't have maternity leave u…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:55 PM
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Look it get you're on your I hate men villian arc I'm gonna keep being a good person and trying to make the world a better place by bringing people together rather being bitter. I can't control all men just the men in my life and all ask is you do the same on your end. If that's not good enough well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I wish you well in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:05 PM
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Oh right women, even monekys figured this out due to males lash out of aggression which in turn get all the female monkeys to mutalate and or out right kill them ensuring you guys dont pass your genes. If you wanna use monkeys as the baseline for human then I think you and I are drastically different sides of the argument. Monkeys can be just as violent as modern humans just without the morality filter. There's been so many documented cases of various species going to war, committing cannibalism…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:27 PM
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Men and women do largely need each other for permanent change and while the portion of men who understand this is currently small that's how every movements starts. Currently it's in the initial stages, most men still hold onto those ideas cause that's what we were taught but more and more start to understand that it doesn't have to be that way. Most women in the 1800s didn't even like feminism because they grew up with things being one way and in the 200 years since society has changed radicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:47 PM
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Men are still largely held to the old patriarchal standards and for women to truly be freed from them men have to abandon them too. The protector provider, alpha male, giga chad masculine man trope. The idea what childcare isn't something men can do, the idea that a man has to fight to be considered a man, all the toxic masculinity that women complain about. It keeps men in a box and if men are in the box women will always face resistance when they try to escape it While it's not women's jobs to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:10 PM
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Oh yeah when your people haven't been oppressed or you're viewed as the oppressor it's harder to form a movement for radical positive change. Men are viewed as oppressors so the default to get a good life for men is to turn the clock back cause we see the past with nostalgia goggles. Minority groups have all faced some oppression so they can look back and see the change or feel the oppression in their daily life. I think a major issue is "political bandwith". People have short memories and if a …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:28 PM
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Individual women with individual preferences and experiences went on the internet and shared their opinions. Like with most things, the loudest voices won and social dynamics shifted to their demands. You don't know what group each woman falls into until you talk to her but some women don't want be approached at all and some do. A simple simple set of rules to follow are: Is she there because she has be? Don't approach. Is she busy with something or have headphones on? Don't approach. She hasn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:13 AM
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Yeah? What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:29 PM
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I haven't listened to men in years. I was red during my teens now I'm purple. Personality does matter but only if a guy is attractive enough. The thing I see when I'm out is attractive but bad men getting girlfriend after girlfriend. A former friend of mine was one of these guys, I broke all contact when I found out how he treated his girlfriends. We'd go out and he'd have a different girlfriend each month. Meanwhile I see men who aren't amazing in the looks department but genuinely nice struggl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:43 PM
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There was the data the dating apps released and the facebook groups where women literally had to ask are we dating the same man. Also the whole tinder swindler thing. Few men getting attention from a lot of women cause they get a lot of attention from men and gravitate to the best looking options only to get burned cause the individual woman is just as boring as the individual man. It's definitely not all women but it's enough that it's a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:19 PM
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Yes and no. Personal preference is largely selfish and it can be harmful to society. I can't change it, only spread awareness while hoping the message gets through and this is the same for men and women. My view of dating right now is bleak, generally want their perfect guy while not realising that guy might already be taken and then refuse to shift to something more reasonable. Men are scrambling since many women don't even give them a chance while complaining about how all men are trash. Somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:04 PM
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I said this on a different thread but obviously what every girl considers handsome is different and attractiveness goes beyond looks alone. Attractiveness is everything from the guys walk all the way to his smile and dress and what one girl considers a 5 that guys wife might consider a 10. A while ago there was a trend of women saying Ryan gosling was a 7 the guy isn't a 7 but conventional standards but these women thought he's a 7. This is what I mean by attractiveness varying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:06 PM
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Obviously what every woman considers handsome is different I just shorten it so I'm not writing an essay everytime. What you consider average that woman might think is a 10. Having options usually is about attractiveness, not just looks but the walk, the talk, the dress etc it's the bar that must be passed before personality even becomes a factor. Yeah most women aren't and that's why the struggle when trying to lock down the right guy. The girl wants to feel special but doesn't give back. If th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:56 AM
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The guy who will do that and attractive enough to have options is already married. Every woman is after that guy so they go off the market quickly. The left over guys are the ones that don't want to settle down and the ones not attractive enough to have a ton of options but have varied personalities, some being more blue pill and some being red.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:30 AM
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By the guy with enough options that they don't need to wine and dine. The guy with options doesn't need to impress you to get sex so you have to impress him to get commitment. The average guy does but the average guy is boring just like the average woman with a major difference being the average guy has to take initiative. Women like to be passive when dating and that works with average guys, not the 10/10 guy cause he's got options so women have to wine and dine him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:40 AM
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A guy who wants something more equal will show it in his personality and actions later in the relationship when you move in together but again the relationship doesn't get that far if the attraction bar isn't passed. Also a lot of women tend to ignore problematic behaviour if the guy is attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:39 AM
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Combine that with not sleeping with them until they show commitment. If they only want to sleep with you then they'll give up after you delay for weeks on end or make it clear you won't until your certain. If they like you for your personality then they'll at least hang around because they like you. Just make sure to show you're also commitmented in some way like buying gifts or paying for dates so the guy doesn't think you're using him for his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:34 AM
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What he's saying is the blue pill only matters when the attraction bar is passed. Being the perfect blue pill man and unattractive doesn't get men a girlfriend while being attractive and at least not a total asshole does. The carrot and stick, reward good behaviour and punish bad. The only issue is attraction means if a guy is perfect personality wise but unattractive he's just as repulsive to date as an ugly asshole. Women tend to punish or reward guys for their attractiveness leaving attractio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:29 AM
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If the guy doesn't treat you well you can usually just leave and you certainly shouldn't be having his kids. From where I'm standing plenty of women have broken the I need to give more than my partner conditioning but still end up picking the same type of attractive asshole cause they're trying to make the guy with options settle down. It's the same issue men have. I want a 10/10 partner, oh no they have options so I have to bend over backwards to make myself standout only to get treated like sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:44 PM
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You realise there's terrible men and terrible women? It's just that people are bad at telling who is good and who is bad...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:58 PM
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I mean yes and no. Like with all things when personal preference is a factor there's a ton of nuance and niche cases but I think it generally goes like this. For the vast majority of human history women need men but now they don't but the entire male identity has been built on being provider and protector for women regardless of how often men actually become that on the individual level. Now women can choose the men they want which tends to the upper percentile of her chosen niche but every man …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:45 PM
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But if I do not want to kiss you on first date, I will tell you exactly that and if the guy is offended that’s on him. Well if the guy gets offended by that then he's an asshole. I don't consider that to be dominating, that's just having boundaries and something everyone should have. When dating I'd consider dominating to be dictating how your partner dresses even if you're not going out with them that day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:13 PM
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I think it's more of a dominance thing. Women who know what they want and are vocal about can sometimes end up rubbing up against the male ego. Obviously eveyone is different but the one girl I knew who was like that tended to quite loud and dominating to point where if things weren't don't done her way she'd make it everyone's problem. For this girl specifically it's like she didn't know how to relax. Me personally I'm pretty laid back usually but and don't mind someone else taking charge. At w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:59 PM
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I think the issue is there's far less of the women who are willing to teach than the men who need teaching. Most men need some kind of advice but women generally don't want to unless it's something that makes an already good relationship great. I don't understand what you mean by your second paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:40 PM
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You can't learn if you don't practice and that's the core issue. Women don't want to be a practice round for a guy but guys need practice to get good. Guys that instinctively know how initiate and arouse get lots of attention but then don't want to settle down but the ones that did are already married. It's a catch 22 and nobody wants to budge.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:07 PM
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I wouldn't say it knows everything about women but it shows men a side most of society would rather keep a secret. Not an intentional secret but an unconscious socially agreed secret. That being said I think it's important men move out of the anger stage and get to acceptance as quickly as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:37 PM
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Maybe, I don't really have an answer I'm just spit balling ideas but to me the current culture feels like one where everyone is chasing a shadow on the wall and all have a different idea on how to catch it. There's some clear things like consistency and kindness but all of that gets muddled when attraction breaks through the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:56 PM
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Ah but then there's also that spark a lot of people are chasing too, you can go on a successful date, share interests and overall have a good time but not feel the spark. You don't get time to show consistency if you chase the spark but the spark requires a certain level of showmanship to generate. Ultimately I think there's a number of competing factors that actually work against each other when people date but most people keep looking for the one person that has them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:31 PM
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My question is what's the difference between love bombing and genuine attention? I think this whole nonchalant vibe and mind games a lot of people struggle with comes from trying to avoid love bombing or appearing desperate but the pendulum swung too far and now nobody can tell what's genuine anymore cause we're all walking on eggshells.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:57 PM
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Something I said a while ago was "just because a woman hits you and it doesn't hurt doesn't make it alright, if the genders are ever to be equal then eveyone has to stop this kind of stuff". A lot of women are allowed to get away with hitting men because it's normalised but gender equality requires the same consequences for the same actions regardless of gender and more men need to realise it's not ok to let women to hit you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 01:34 AM
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It's a catch 22. Although I will say a lot guys approach badly and a lot of women give give terrible hints. Guys having to approach means that if anyone wants a relationship it's on the guy to put himself out there and impress the woman enough to be given a chance. There are also enough guys with low enough standards for almost every woman to get into a relationship despite how flawed of an individual she might be. Women are generally more ok with being single than men, both because they tend of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:26 AM
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Women are free individuals and can approach if they want to but most don't want to and still expect men to do traditionally male thing of approaching first. Yes that's their preference but not every choice is a feminist choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:14 PM
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These conversations happened several months apart so it's not like they intentionally said they all think I'm undateable but In terms of where I would rank myself it was pretty close. It didn't hurt my feelings being ranked low in the masculinity chart cause I already knew that. It wasn't for a while that everything clicked for me and I realised why a lot of women don't want to date me and at that point I'd be bring stuff up from months ago so I just left it alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:36 AM
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Specifically with my female friends yes and no We once talked about people we're attracted to a lot of them wanted taller, good looking confident men, so the typical masculine traits. Another time I remember we talked about how masculine eveyone we know were and I ranked pretty low on their chart, not the bottom but lower end and conveniently the guys on the upper end tended to have girlfriends or constantly be in and out of relationships. Girls I ask out it's the usual rejection lines where the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:10 AM
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I've been told by my female friends that I'm literally the only guy they're not related to that they'd trust to sleep at their house and not have to worry about them trying something and yeah it feels good to know I am one of the guys women can genuinely trust but that stuff never translates to a relationship. The guys I do see in relationships are the guys women constantly complain about. When I compare myself to them the main difference is that they're just more conventionally masculine than m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:36 PM
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It's an issue but don't go sleeping with random women, vet your partners before you sleep with them and the same advice can be given to women about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:54 PM
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Like I said "most older women" no group is a monolith and eveyone has different experiences. The mothers that didn't get to have fun told their daughters to have fun, their daughters go through the ringer and tell their daughters not sleep every guy that looks their way. Obviously the middle option is the best. Be cautious it's better to be safe than sorry but don't go full church girl and wait until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:52 PM
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Most older women will tell younger women to stick to rule, don't fuck a guy just because he's hot and you've felt the "spark". Most women who do so tend to be younger and stupider, while older experienced women say the same shit I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:24 AM
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Probably but it goes back to the chicken and egg situation. You need experience to get good at something but if nobody gives you chance you can't get good. I really don't see a good way out that makes everyone happy. Women aren't attracted to these men and you can't force attraction. Said men need experience to get at both sex and relationships but they can't get said experience. You just get it or you don't and if you don't you're fucked. Edit spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 12:36 AM
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Man you I think you hit the nail on the head, I feel like I've got to fit this mold to be desirable, while women can be free and still be loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:35 PM
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They have cognitive dissonance. They can't tell their opinions hurt their chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:17 PM
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You definitely can do that but most women don't like casual sex, not to say that can't enjoy sex but just don't like going into a relationship expecting more only to used for their body. Edit: it's not full proof but the guys willing to play the long game are a lot rarer and it allows time for the guy to show his red flags before anything happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:10 AM
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It's the fastest way to find out if a guy is feigning interest just to get sex, if you don't want to do that then trial and error is really the option you're left with. I'm honest enough to say there's plenty of guys who will do and say whatever just to get into a girl's pants and if women want to avoid those guys then denying those guys what they're after is the easiest and fastest way to find out if that's all they want. Otherwise you just end being rejected after the guy got what he wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:28 AM
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It definitely can give off the vibe that she's not really into him especially if the woman does hook up a lot but suddenly wants to take it slow. I think if a woman who did hook up a lot wants to take it slow it's fine but she'll have to put in some work to assuage those feelings in most guys. Otherwise it's if she doesn't hook up a lot it's just the smart move, she make sure the guy is serious and if turn out to have some red flags then nothing has happened to her. It's overall a green flag in …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:48 AM
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Only difference with men is they’ll wait till after sex to reject a woman they don’t really like. My advice for women is to always withhold sex for a while to see if the guy is genuinely interested in you or just the sex. A guy just in it to smash and pass will lose interest after a couple dates so holding off as long as possible is in your best interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:10 PM
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Long story short, withhold sex and see if the guy loses interest. If he likes you for you then he probably wants to hangout without sleeping with you but if withhold for weeks and weeks then he disappears then he just wanted sex. Ultimately this only works if you don't hook up often cause then the will guy feel like you don't like him given your history even if you genuinely like him and you'll have to show the attraction in other ways like giving gifts or paying for dates. For men sex is seen a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:16 PM
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Personally I'd say looks are a bar that must be passed to even get a chance, if you don't have them but have a great personality then you're the great friend who will make someone happy one day. Great looks but a bad personality will mean a guy can get laid (which men view as success) but can't keep anything going long-term Generally I think the disconnect comes from what men and women view as success. Women can generally get meaningless sex easily but it also comes with risks so they usually do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:25 PM
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It constantly goes back to the fact no group is a monolith, you'll find crazy people wherever you look and I'd argue places like this tend to draw the worst men. When talking about dating it discussion will always go to what people expect in a "good" partner and what people actually choose. Men here constantly bring up bad boys being all that women desire and nice guys left behind because that's often what they see while women often claim that most men a trash. Our perspective and personal exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:13 PM
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Obviously no group is a monolith and there are women who want to be approached even if it's just to stroke their ego and other that don't want to be approached at all. The issue is men generally still have to make the first move or we leave it up to the apps and nobody likes the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:14 PM
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I think this cuts both ways. If something is a problem you should he able to simply talk about with your partner, if you can't then the relationship is clearly dysfunctional. At the same time you and your partner should he observant towards each other and the all the little things you each do in the relationship. Expecting your partner to just understand without talking about is childish but having to talk sit down and address every issue does get annoying a clear mix of the two is what a health…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:18 PM
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I think major factor is our wording when we talk about the opposite sex. Most of the time people we'll just say women or men when really it's quite literally not all members of that sex but it might be the general trend among that sex or at least the people you've met. Obviously no group is a monolith but when talking on the internet and especially over text you can't read the nuance that comes with facial expressions and body language so we're missing a huge chunk of human communication and you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:37 PM
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While I do think that men decentering women is the correct move a thing I think a lot of people miss is that when women decenter men, they can still get a boyfriend without centering men. If men want a girlfriend they have to center women since men have to make the first move and women being generally passive in the initial stages of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:33 AM
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Lonely people don't have friends so yeah it only comes up when people talk about them rather than to them...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:31 AM
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Oh yeah you'll find someone eventually if you keep at it long enough but the question of what long enough is totally random.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:53 PM
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Yes but you don't interact with all 8 billion. Lower the number to the people in your local area then subtract how many are already taken for something more accurate on how many fit your standards. Of the women who fit your standards you also need to take into account how many of them would be willing to date you and then you've got your dating pool. Bad behaviour does ultimately poison the dating pool by making others toxic. Ultimately while I do agree with your statement of just don't interact…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:32 PM
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Time for the daily "no group is a monolith" some women are shallow as fuck and will not care about anything other than the triple 6s other women will be more sensible and value other traits more. Both groups of women exist and your personal experience is anecdotal and shaped by a myriad of factors I can't be bothered to list
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:46 PM
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Hopefully we will find peace with the omnissiah and be embraced in the loving steel of their frame 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:09 AM
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Firstly you haven't said anything I disagree with I just like internet debates. Secondly I'm gonna keep playing devil's advocate. When does all this become a show the guy puts on to impress the girl. If he's got to be the cool guy or the "alpha" isn't that what the red pill keep talking about? You've got to wow her possibly even love bomb her just to stand out and at that point, is she in love with you or the experiences you give her? Edit: spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:42 PM
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I'm yeah that's obvious but to play devil's advocate, very very few people are irreplaceable especially when it comes to the early stages of a relationship. The moments and experiences that form lasting relationships take time and if someone is looking for that "spark" they can just get rid of you before any of those moments of connection even get a chance to form.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:09 PM
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Most societies are built on the backs over some disposable lower class. This isn't because said class is needed for society to function but the ultra wealthy need someone to steal wealth from so they can be ultra wealthy. Slaves do the work and don't get paid so their owner keeps all the profit. Wage slaves get paid the smallest amount of money the company can get away with and keep the rest as profit. In both cases neither person is getting what they're owed and the people at the top keep the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:54 PM
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Yeah I get it not for everyone now and it's a personal choice. I just thought it's something all feminists agreed on and I wondering what the end goal for society was. Like if you want to decenter men or go 4b then more power to you I will respect your choice even if my respect isn't something being considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:21 PM
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This is where I have to disagree, I don't get anxiety when talking to women. I do my thing but usually get stuck being a great friend who will "someone" happy one day. I don't get mad I just accept their choice and move on and if they want to be friends I'm fine with that. Maybe I'm just an anomaly since my female friends said they don't know why I'm single. They said this right after saying they know exactly why our other male friend is single while we were both in the conversation so I don't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:40 PM
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That's kinda obvious to me anyway. I got all my female friends by just sharing a hobby and thought the same would work for getting a girlfriend but making sure the relationship doesn’t settle into friendship before I made my intentions clear. This is anecdotal I know but I think it's the main flaw with blue pill. Just being a normal person usually doesn't work for me, friends I get easily, girlfriends take so much effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:02 PM
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So to tie this back to the origin of this thread. You can't decenter the opposite sex if you want a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:45 AM
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I mean yeah? But then everyone is single unless you're gay. I understand a relationship is antithetical to the goal is decentering the opposite sex but that seems kinda short sighted. Like what's the end game?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:35 AM
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To focus on yourself and other women uplifting them regardless of what men think?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:26 AM
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What do mean? If men decenter women and go about their days not caring about what women think is the goal then that's what I've been doing most of my life. I have everything I could want materially and have plenty of friends which I can have deep conversations with but in the current society women rarely approach. If I want a relationship then 99% of the time I have to make the first move which means I can't decenter women and have impress them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:22 AM
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I think this is the main flaw with decentering the opposite sex. When it comes to women, men will still approach so you can go on with your day and it will just happen. If men also decenter women then nobody approachs and it's all up to the apps. With feminism the idea is men and women act the same and are treated the same, meaning women sometimes act like men and approach people they're attracted to. Women decentering men works for now but men can't decenter women unless women decide to approac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:13 AM
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Holding the door makes her feel special but if she won't hold the door open for men the she's not a feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:30 AM
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Have you asked any feminists this question or just seen clips on the internet? What feminists want is all the other stuff. What your girlfriend wants is to feel special, you pay for dinner one day to make her feel special and if she's a feminist she'll return the favour sometime because it's all about equality. You don't buy dinner for random people, you split the bill. You buy stuff for your other half to make them feel special and they should do the same for you. The trad wife want you to buy …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:18 AM
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That's because you have a moral compass and a lot of dudes on here don't
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:00 AM
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Ok if you're not gonna treat women like equals then you should pay the full bill. The other stuff is more societal and literally can't be fixed by one person and 99.9% of women understand that so they'd split the bill if you helped in the ways a single person can.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:49 AM
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Yes, they would be willing to sleep with you, be FWB with you or go through the early stages of dating where you figure out if this person has a future with you. It's quicker to just say date than list the 20 variations of we're fucking but not committed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:42 AM
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Feminists want the patriarchy out, that means all genders are equal in all ways. There would no difference in how you treat anyone. Split the bill? Yes Paying the full bill? Yes Open the door? Yes Feel safe walking home at night? Yes Maternity leave? Yes At no point would men think I should do this for a woman? Instead you would think I should do this for a person? You flip the sex and the answers would be the exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:26 AM
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Again this seems less like red pill traits and just stuff red pill men have. Like red pill advice says be confident, attractive and masculine. Those traits make people feel better about themselves and when you feel better about yourself you can end up feeling better than other people leading to you being an asshole. To get real, yeah the messaging used in red pill definitely leads to men becoming misogynistic but I think that's down to the people men are listening to and how they say it rather t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:16 AM
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Again to plays devil's advocate. Please define assholes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:24 PM
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To play devil's advocate for a bit, but none of those are really red pill, they're just traits a lot red pill men share. Maybe I just misunderstand what the red pill is but to me it's about acknowledging that personality isn't the be all and end all of relationships and looks play a major factor in attraction, especially in the initial stages it being the only thing that matters. I view where the red ends and purple begins is how much personality matters. To me purple says that personality matte…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:08 PM
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I have deep friendships and I'm super social. I just enjoy debates on the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:05 PM
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Ok yeah I guess I should have picked my language better and not tried to cut corners... Yes men having no standards isn't the only reason women can be so picky. Women generally have not only more friends than men but said friendships are deeper and more fulfilling. Male relationship are shallow as fuck so all emotional labour is put onto women so men desperately need wives and girlfriends to sort through their shit since they're basically alone otherwise. Something something patriarchy stopping …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:57 PM
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It's a consequence of dating dynamics. As a woman basically every guy you show interest in will be willing to date you. You might not get want you want out of the relationship but the option to date is there. For men the option to date usually isn't there so you take the best you can get and try and build something with the resources you have. Women can say no to 99% of guys because there's another option around the corner, when you build the relationship you start with someone who ticks most of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:13 PM
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A man getting offended by misandrist comments doesn’t make him a potential rapist. Stop the gaslighting here. It's like calling a black person a criminal for getting mad at someone who says a lot of black people are criminals. Why yes it kinda is like that but here's the thing, women current have very few ways to hurt men politically or systematically. White people have a history of oppressing anyone that isn't white and continue to do so. Ideally they would stop painting all men with the same b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:09 AM
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Getting mad just shows you fit into the group of men who might kill them. Generally they aren't talking about you unless you fit the description. The same why police might put together a psychological profile on a suspect they don't have a physical description of. Feminists will usually call men paranoid autistic Incels for being afraid to approach women or interact with women. All men have to do is not be creepy. Only creepy men worry about coming off as creepy to women Feminists aren't a hive …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:37 AM
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The bear situation is one where you need to step back and realise women aren't talking about you specifically. That feeling you get when you walk through the woods at night wondering if there's someone behind you is women's usual feeling towards random men. I realised that to them the bear is a quicker death than being trapped in a basement for 7 years. Again they aren't talking about you specifically but they don't know you, they have to roll the dice every time they talk to a guy and it only t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:57 PM
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It makes total sense, women try and draw attention to abusers but when the case is proven false they drop it since the hill isn't worth dying on anymore. Punishment for false accusations is a touchy subject, if the accused is found innocent then the only reasonable lines of thought is she either made it up or they got the wrong guy. Saying she made it up is incredibly harmful since it discourages others from coming forward in the future. Think about male victims, they suffer the same ridicule fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:07 PM
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That's fair, wanting your own space and all that. I wanted my own space for a long time so I moved out the moment the deal went through, it just looked like a reasonable sacrifice for me. Waiting to get something permanent that I could really make mine rather than having to bend to whims of a landlord and essentially waste money. I guess I should also say I have a good relationship with my parents which seems like a rare thing these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:36 PM
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Personally I view longterm renting as a scam, it makes affordable housing more difficult since landlords buy up multiple properties then rent them out. The tenant basically pays off the mortgage for the landlord and after that it just becomes profit. Renting a house for a holiday is fine or just a room for a couple nights but a person's home being owned by someone else for profit doesn't sit right with me. I moved back home after university and just saved until I could buy a house. Ultimately it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:06 PM
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I was assuming you were meeting the imaginary guy for the first time and were considering dating. I understand living with parents can make women worried on if a guy can actually take care of themselves but what's the maximum age living with your parents would acceptable for you personally, assuming said guy is saving for a house and would rather skip renting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 03:06 PM
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Since you got a foreclosure home the bank wanted to get rid of it quickly so that's not gonna be standard pricing. Let's say the guy is 32 and is close to getting something nice rather than a shack. Still an ick? A follow up question would be would you rather the guy have something rundown or small and be a homeowner or live with parents while saving for something nice?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:35 PM
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Yes but also humans live in a world where biology doesn't stop us anymore. We can literally genetically engineer people, the only reason we don't is that we don't want to. This is ultimately a social issue, in nature rape is expected, in nature usually the strongest survive, we don't rape women because we don't want to, we take care of the sick because we want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:13 PM
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What if the guy was saving for a home, like actually saving and not just saying that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:52 AM
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Like someone said earlier in a different comment, male attention is too abundant so women can just break it off without a second thought cause there's another guy around the corner. Those 5% of men you like would probably all consider a relationship with you because male attention is dirt cheap but the same can't be said for men pursuing women. Men usually just have to take what they can get even if the person isn't all that great. I'm not saying you should have sex with someone you don't find a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:48 AM
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The issue is women aren't a monolith and neither are men. Some women want to be approached even if it's just to boost their ego while some don't want to be approached at all. The whole approaching thing is a fucking mess since women as a whole rarely approach men but still prefer to meet someone naturally vs online dating meanwhile the current status quo is for men to not approach which is leading the women who want to be approached screaming from the rooftops saying they want to be approached. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:28 PM
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Because we don't have a video I hadn't seen the video, I'd only seen the second one she posted saying the video was taken down and explaining her situation again. There were conflicting posts about what happened but assumed the video was lost. Based on the video I found the guy is in his living room unconscious with the door open and the curtains closed. I'm gonna change my stance based on the evidence and say oh yeah the guy is an asshole and I completely retract all previous statements. She's …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:51 PM
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She committed a crime (says the armchair lawyer) I would have put in a complaint, if he does it again the police should take further action. If they don't then look at my edit. Because we don't have a video and just have her word I'm honestly neutral, as far as I can tell she never worked for DoorDash but I haven't done the work an actual lawyer would have. The story I've heard is, we have a faceless potential flasher who was sleeping in his house who ordered food and asked them to leave it at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:52 PM
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Yeah get the dude arrested he gets a fair trial and she presents the video as evidence. 1 scum bag off the streets. Social media is not a court, we are armchair lawyers at best and blatantly wrong at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:41 PM
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I swear you're rage-baiting now. Recording someone while they're naked without their consent is illegal end of. If she had an issue then send it to the police, they literally enforce the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:36 PM
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I won't deny that if you're born ugly you'll have a hard time dating, I'm purple pill not blue. Here's the thing if you're not the elephant man you will find someone if you hit the gym be confident enough to carry on a conversation and kind, a man doesn't have to be good enough for movies but good enough to present to friends. Nobody has inherent value in my eyes, you have to earn value and respect but just being sociable enough to mingle at a party and sharing an interest is the baseline. When …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:29 PM
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If we're doing it about men a better scenario would be he goes off to buy a car and sees his options. Most are out of his price range and a few are really bad a few are really good. He can talk to the dealer and get a discount on a better car but it's difficult and you've got to make them want to give you a discount because you're such a likeable guy it would be such a shame if you had to pay full price. Just rocking up and demanding a car would get you thrown out but if you show up looking good…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:16 PM
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Yes and no If we assume all the men they meet aren't going to rape or murder them then yes they have it way better than men and that's no contest. The issue is that some men are going to rape and murder them and many men don't know the line between consent and rape. Women face a world where many men would take advantage of them if they got the chance so they've got to selective, they can't take a chance on every single guy that looks their way since it's both exhausting to go on endless dates wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 06:13 PM
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Meaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 03:32 PM
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From a purely animalistic view, yeah you're right but then why not throw away society altogether and go primal? Kill people born with genetic defects, rape women if you can't find one to willingly procreate with you and keep the weak subservient to the genetically superior people? Humanity moved beyond this the moment we started farming and we should continue to be better than animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 03:23 PM
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Considering we're dealing with human relations amongst 8 billion people it's probably both. For every woman who's genuinely too picky, there's probably a man who's too desperate. Ideally, everyone should find their perfect match but more than likely your perfect match isn't a real person but an idea of a person. Women fear men, the reason for this is that there are enough of us harming women to make every woman think 50 times about talking to a guy. In my mind (I could always be wrong) this make…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:34 PM
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I think the second part is true, we hear about the opposite sex's struggles but never experience them, we might be able to empathise but when sweeping generalisations are made from the opposite sex we get offended cause we know we're not like that and they're probably talking about a small but active part of our sex. As a man intellectually I know women aren't talking about me when they say men suck but it still hurts to hear. I don't get offended cause that is their experience but I don't see t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 12:28 PM
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I think the main issue is that most men have little to no standards. Women can be as picky as they want and there's gonna be a man willing to debase himself for her so they can get a sense of entitlement, these are the women you see on TikTok asking for 6ft dudes and all the works. They don't need a personality just looks and that's enough for most men so men look at this and go "women's standards are too high, I'm not that picky" and the argument about standards begins. Feminists and women on h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:46 PM
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The alpha shit would basically be red pill advice on how men can improve themselves. Work out, display confidence and competence etc, you be a masculine man. The beta stuff is the blue pill stuff that women say, pay attention to her and what she says, be her friend (women's idea of a friend), play the gallant knight and depending on how political the girl is pay attention to feminism. Do both and get good at both most women will think you're amazing and completely overlook height since it's some…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:08 PM
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Oh God no looks are just a barrier to entry on both sides. If you get a chance to show off your personality which is rare unless you meet each other frequently your personality can get you over that initial barrier. The alpha beta mix is what I keep saying in these discussions, you need looks to arouse your partner but personality keeps them around when the butterflies stop but very few people even acknowledge that it is even a possibility and focus solely on blue or red pill talking points when…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:19 PM
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Women looksmaxx way more than men and complain about beauty standards. Men don't looksmaxx and complain about beauty standards. Let's stop looksmaxxing and go without makeup and all the artificial shit already. The average person is average let's get real and stop chasing the shadow of the 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 11:40 AM
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Yeah, you should approach thoughtfully but judging from what women have said most men don't do that. When you approach you don't know if she's been approached 50 times already and is just sick of it or is still open to the idea, you should approach in public places where being there is a choice and encourages open conversation but then you don't know if she's sick of getting approached or is still open to the idea of someone approaching. The idea of her making it clear gets rid of that unknown f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:44 PM
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Obviously when women said don't approach the message was done very poorly. What they meant was don't approach unless it's clear I want to talk to you. I don't hate women and you should approach but if men are gonna adopt a simple single rule to follow then don't approach is the safest option both for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:44 PM
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I've said this before but simping should be shamed. It pushes women who have nothing to add into the same boat as men. If men stopped simping and acted like women do then the dating world would shift overnight. Women not getting approached is a good thing for many reasons but it also forces them out of the passive role and makes them pursue the men they want and then they'll realise exactly what men have to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:00 PM
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When you love someone you do stuff because you want to. You hold the door open because you want to, you pay for stuff because you want to, and they have sex with you because they want to. At no point is anyone keeping score of how much they've spent outside of budget planning and if you do keep score you will end up poisoning your own relationship. In every relationship, someone will be slightly better off than the other person and you want to "balance the books" because you want to make sure yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 10:51 PM
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My bad I meant to put doesn't. I've edited the message You said neither of us gave examples so I gave examples. I understand you don't agree with the examples I gave but women have told me to my face that kind of shit is coercive, and that's the shit they're trying to get men like you to understand, just because the threat of violence isn't expressed doesn't make it ok. They don't feel good about it and when guys pressure girls into saying yes it genuinely harms them and that's why they say the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 04:07 PM
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Bruh like 3 replies ago I said it's legally not rape but still really bad. Then you asked for examples, I gave them and then I started talking about said examples. What the fuck do you even want? Yeah, coercive consent does count as consent in my book or the books of basically all women out there and this is where it goes back to my original comment of most anti rape messaging focuses on the most extreme examples and doesn't talk about the subtle ways people rape women in the parts not covered i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 12:33 PM
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If your partner isn't happy to have sex then don't have sex. This is a golden rule don't break it ever literally everything else comes second. If you can't get sex from you're partner while keeping them happy and enthusiastic don't have sex, and if the lack of sex ends the relationship then end the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:53 PM
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Body language and reading the room is what it comes down to. If you kiss her does she pull away or keep going? If you move further then is she reciprocating and excited or is she hesitant? Most women know that saying no is dangerous so this can often show as them attempting to resist without actually saying no. Make her comfortable read her reactions and if she's not reciprocating then just ask her if she's ok. The fact that you even asked will go a long way to making her feel comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 09:57 AM
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Let me give an example then. If you spend time wooing your girlfriend that's seduction, you're making her want it, asking over and over until she just gives up and lies there like a dead fish so you stop asking is coercion. In one situation she wants to have sex she'll be enthusiastic to have sex, in the other she won't want to have sex but you keep asking so she just gives up so you leave her alone. Specific examples of seduction might be pampering her, being the gallant knight or even touching…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 12:43 AM
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There's a difference between being seductive and coercive behaviour and if you can't see that I really can't help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:40 PM
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Bruh. Coercive consent is still really bad, legally it's not rape but if you won't leave someone alone until they relent that's getting really close to the edge. You should always aim for an enthusiastic yes without having to push and push. Lastly, if your girlfriend isn't putting out enough, talk about it, and if the answer is still no the leave. You can leave a relationship for literally any reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:16 PM
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With mental disorders or abuse, the moral thing is to look past it but most people won't when it comes to your partner. Someone can genuinely change and I believe that someone can become better but here's the rub, men tend to value sex more than women, it's harder for men to get it so we value it more. When someone is known as the local hoe most guys don't want to date her cause of the reputation and shame attached to women's promiscuity and this is still an issue in today's society. Men have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:58 PM
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Toxic masculinity stops many men from just admitting when they're wrong but the same can be said for anyone who just refuses to concede when they're wrong but my point stands. If the possibility of violence is on the table be prepared to fight or run and often and any martial arts trainers will tell you that running is always the better option. I'm glad you're not putting yourself in dangerous situations though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:06 PM
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If you want a partner, you have to take their values into consideration, and they should take yours into consideration. Generally, men feel bad when they know you made them wait longer for sex than than other men, and it makes them feel like you aren't attracted to them. If you trying something and hating it is one thing, but if a woman consistently has hookups, then makes her future husband wait, then he's gonna feel like shit and wonder if she's just using him and it will take a lot of work to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:51 AM
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The messaging does need improving to focus on consent and stopping men from pressuring women into consenting. Those who drug women or drag them into an alley don't care for a second but the guy who pesters his girlfriend until she gives in should care. Most of the messaging is the lowest form of effort focusing on the most extreme examples and those are wasted effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:01 AM
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The moral thing is for them to walk away but as women say men are emotionally unstable, so they won't walk away they'll blow up and the weaker person will suffer. Pick your battles and most aren't worth dying for. Your pride is making you jump through hoops to avoid saying running is shutting up, you can speak your truth at a comfortable distance or in places where violence is off the table but if you're not in that place shut up and walk away, think of it as a tactical retreat if that makes you…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 09:52 AM
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The way I view it as a man is I don't want to hear later on in the relationship that you previously found someone you liked more than me. It feels bad to know some other man had to put in less effort than me to get the same result. I'd imagine the same is true for women, nobody wants to hear their partner put in more effort for other people meanwhile you're jumping through hoops to keep the relationship going. From a societal angle, women having lots of casual sex makes men as a whole put in les…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:05 PM
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It still sorta is taboo. If an incel (not a misogynist) asks for advice he gets two sets of notes, 1 from men and 1 from women. Women's advice will be all the blue pill stuff but that's half the story. Women's advice is about being a safe person for women to hang around with and will help build a lasting relationship but won't get you laid unless you know the parts they aren't saying. Men's advice tends to be all the red pill stuff and that is controversial but it is still half the story. Men's …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 09:47 PM
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I feel as though most people are a net negative on each other when it comes to relationships. If you've grown comfortable being single then suddenly you've got half the space, need to cook twice as much and have to cater to someone else's needs even if it's respiracted in a 50/50 relationship the act of stepping out of your comfort zone will lead to it being a net negative until you become comfortable with the person and even then they'll you're still likely to get into arguments of things and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 02:00 PM
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