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Female rapists, sperm jackers...
/r/MensRights09/05/26 03:26 PM
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Yeah, agreed. This sub (rightly) complains about feminists' toxic rhetoric all the time, but flip the genders on this comment and it'd be right at home in a feminist space. Like, I can get behind the sentiment of "stuck-up sexist women have a massive reality check coming", but to say that all women are soon going to be worthless is frankly pretty shitty. Two wrongs don't make a right. And this is coming from an MRA-sympathizing gender egalitarian, so I'm not even an outsider.
/r/MensRights24/04/26 03:27 PM
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Not to mention bachelor taxes, if things get severe enough...
/r/MensRights23/04/26 01:38 PM
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Do you say the same shit about women getting condescended to? Or does that magically become valid as sexism in your eyes because the target is female? It doesn't matter what attitude an individual man holds, unsuccessful men all get lumped under the same general umbrella. Maybe they'll get empathy from their mothers (if they're lucky), but society as a whole expects them to suck it up, stop whining, and just try harder. Case in point, this guy comes here to vent, and your immediate reaction is t…
/r/MensRights16/04/26 05:25 PM
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If we had high value, we wouldn't be kicked around and spit on by society when we don't succeed.
/r/MensRights15/04/26 02:45 PM
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I'd rather society start showing empathy towards men and boys, and seeing our inherent value, as opposed to dragging women and girls down to our level. I don't think anybody should be considered less valuable just because they aren't earning money. Probably just wishful thinking, though. The empathy gap feels pretty fucking insurmountable.
/r/MensRights15/04/26 02:41 PM
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Men in the U.S. can do paternity tests at any time The problem with this is that mothers get all insecure when the potential father asks for a paternity test, and that stresses the relationship. I'm generally against making anything mandatory, but in this case, it would sidestep the issue. Men will be proven to be fathers of kids they don't support or involve themselves with MRAs support financial abortion, which would completely negate this. Crimes are easier to solve Good.
/r/MensRights15/04/26 02:28 PM
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The state sued on her behalf. That is fucking disgusting. On so many levels. As if I needed more reasons to be staunchly anti-government... Systematic misandry at its "finest", folks. Bodily autonomy is only a protected right for women and girls, apparently.
/r/MensRights14/04/26 05:30 PM
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Not good things, generally. For some, it can lead to a feeling of hopelessness--depression. I'm sure I don't need to explain where that road leads. For others, it can drive them to hatred. Injustice like that builds resentment over time, and drives its victims to adopt more and more extremist views. If it goes on long enough, the sheer resentment can drive cultural pendulum swings that can lead to things like women's right to vote being contested--an idea that does nothing to uplift men, but kno…
/r/MensRights14/04/26 02:21 PM
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I'd prefer we abolish the draft outright, personally. Adding women to the draft is pro-equality in the same way that burning everyone's house down is pro-equality. On the other hand, maybe if women were added to the draft, it would make people finally start giving enough of a shit about it to abolish it entirely. Probably just wishful thinking, though.
/r/MensRights14/04/26 01:38 PM
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even the deepest pits of "incel" communities you wont be seeing such a quote To be fair, I've seen some horrible, horrible things being said about women in certain incel forums. A recurring idea is that all women deserved to be "graped". But that's the key difference: these are obscure forums. That sort of misogyny tends to be aggressively scrubbed from mainstream websites, relegating it to obscure forums and imageboards that you have to go out of your way to find. On the other hand, the equival…
/r/MensRights12/04/26 02:49 PM
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Oh you just know if there were discrimination for or against birthing age women the outrage would be inescapable. Because reducing women to their wombs is evil and misogynist, but reducing men to their physical strength (and attributing to all of us the crimes of a small minority) is "common sense".
/r/MensRights11/04/26 08:15 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, men as a demographic don't really have a political home. The left is in bed with the worst kind of feminists, behaving like overt misandrists that demonize masculinity, constantly pushing legislation to undercut men, while lying to our faces and telling us it's for gender equality. The right, on the other hand, loves masculinity--so much that they support ostracizing any man that deviates from their idea of it. Or even imprisoning them in some cases, li…
/r/MensRights11/04/26 08:08 PM
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Do you hear yourself right now? "Yeah, men are having their bodily autonomy violated by being dragged off against their will to be shot, shelled, bombed, and tortured, but what about the women???" And then you have the gall to imply that the draft isn't a "legitimate issue"? No, sorry. It is a legitimate issue, one of the largest cases of systematic misandry in the US. I don't care how passionate you are about those other issues, by minimizing the draft like that you are being incredibly sexist.
/r/MensRights09/04/26 03:23 PM
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This is bad news. Manually having to sign up at 18 at least makes the misandrist exploitation blatantly obvious. This is going to make it like the income tax, where even less people are going to give a shit because it's all hidden behind the scenes.
/r/MensRights09/04/26 03:08 PM
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I am so sick and tired of the constant one-upsmanship when it comes to looking at issues from a gendered perspective. I do not give a single flying FUCK who "has it worse". I don't fucking care what sex is doing the bad thing more, or what sex wrote the sexist laws to enable it. It doesn't goddamned matter. I want to know why it is happening, and I want to know what we can do to change it. That's what matters.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 07:16 PM
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sister lacks credible experience Where did he say this? Was it the part where she said she'd believe a woman who accused him no matter what? That's not experience, that's a sex-biased gut reaction. buddy took years to say anything So his friend is a POS. Your point? There's a whole lot more "seeing from other people's perspectives" that has got to go on This is rich coming from someone being as dismissive and condescending as you are towards a man discussing such a heavy, emotional topic. It wou…
/r/MensRights23/03/26 03:27 PM
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This is the kicker. False Accusations are bad enough when they've yet to be disproven. At least if everyone believed you after the claims were proven false, you could start to heal and move on, even if the trauma would still be with you. The status quo means there's little hope of that. Especially if its a high-profile case.
/r/MensRights23/03/26 02:56 PM
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Comes into a thread discussing a systemic and cultural issue effecting men "But what about the women?!?!" You strike me as a feminist, so allow me to present an analogy you might be familiar with: You're at a party, and there is a bowl of M&Ms. "2 to 10%" of them contain a lethal dose of cyanide. Are you gonna eat any? Are you going to just stand by and let people eat them because "the bowl of Skittles has an "82%" chance of poisoning you, so that's the real issue"? Feminists talk about the hara…
/r/MensRights23/03/26 02:43 PM
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Oh, but of course! Cause it's funny to joke about genital mutilation and castration when men are the target! But don't you dare do the reverse, cause that's misogynistic hate speech! Or circumcision, where even the most harmless forms of female circumcision are conflated with outright cutting her fucking clit head off and made illegal, meanwhile baby boys get their foreskins chopped off by default (in the US), and men get shamed and ridiculed if they still have it! EDIT: For your consideration, …
/r/MensRights21/03/26 03:48 PM
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Treated me worse than my sister, you mean? But yeah, for sure. He wasn't exactly good to my sister either to be clear, but it definitely seemed like I got it worse out of the two of us. My perspective could be biasing things a little, though. There's also the chance I just outright missed some of his mistreatment of her--I tended to hide in my bedroom as much as possible, cause I felt anxious whenever I was around him. It felt like he'd snap if you looked at him wrong.
/r/MensRights21/03/26 03:09 AM
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My father was a great parent, but then he and my mother divorced, she remarried, and my big sister and I ended up with a stepfather that was an all-around asshole, but was also a sexist tool to me, specifically. Besides his efforts to mold me into the perfect, chivalrous little white-knight doormat, he also just generally held me to a far stricter standard than my older sister--which was especially infuriating given that I was trying my best to be a good kid (albeit not perfect), whereas she was…
/r/MensRights21/03/26 02:47 AM
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Penis-shaming, height-shaming, shaming men for baldness, virgin-shaming...
/r/MensRights20/03/26 09:13 PM
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True, I've definitely seen majority anti-war sentiment when I browse feminist spaces. To their credit, I've seen some call for the same thing I have--total abolishment. But I have definitely seen others get real condescending towards the notion of the draft being an example of historical, systemic, and deadly misandry. They tend to dismiss it for a few reasons, one of which being the exact reason I stated: It hasn't been invoked in ~50 years, and invoking it today would be political suicide, so …
/r/MensRights18/03/26 06:15 PM
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This is a thought experiment I've considered before--an equivalent to the US' Selective Service that women would have to sign up for at 18. I can already envision the mental gymnastics some feminists would go through to explain how women being conscripted into a child birthing service would be evil, misogynistic exploitation of their bodies (which is true), while still dismissing men's equivalent grievances about the Selective Service because "it hasn't been invoked since Vietnam lol" Personally…
/r/MensRights18/03/26 04:48 PM
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It took over a year of her doing this for the police to finally decide to arrest her. What the actual fuck?! She's a danger to society and needs to be put on a public registry so people know to stay away. And you know they wouldn't have let a man get away with this for nearly as long, nor would they have been nearly as lenient with their punishment. Patriarchy my entire fucking ass, the UK is a misandrist hellscape.
/r/MensRights18/03/26 02:52 PM
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I said everyone in this subreddit endorses sexism... In the same way I'd say pretty much everyone in 2X are sexist femcels You know what, fair. The fact you're willing to say that much implies that at the very least you're not a partisan hypocrite, so I'll cede that point. Although... Sexist comments often get voted to the top... hence by remaining in this sub... [members] are indirectly complicit in spreading [misogynistic] values This is probably a fundamental difference in our outlooks, but I…
/r/MensRights11/03/26 02:41 PM
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You are confusing feminists who genuinely just want equality with radical "feminists" who are just misandrists. You did it literally right there. The scare quotes on radical "feminist" implies that you think if a feminist is being sexist, then they're not a true feminist. But you don't offer us that same leeway- there are people here that are sexist, therefore everyone here endorses sexism. Also, you could maybe skirt around the automod by not using the "r/" ?
/r/MensRights11/03/26 02:16 PM
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Looks like you replied to the wrong comment, Angryasfk replied to xToasted1
/r/MensRights11/03/26 02:02 PM
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Regardless, you are confusing feminists... with radical "feminists" who are just misandrists You are doing the same with the MRAs here. Turns out, both movements are full of assholes! The same is true of any collective. But when the feminists do it you run excuses for them, likely because you have a pro-feminist bias. I can't think of a single feminist space that isn't full of misandrist, female-supremacist shitheels getting absolutely no pushback, while pretending they're pro-equality. I'd ask …
/r/MensRights11/03/26 01:55 PM
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You're right, albeit a bit needlessly rude about it imo. Depending on how the data's laid out, false accusations may or may not make up some of that 97%, though based on the information given we don't know. Misandrists use these sorts of mistakes as ammo to de-legitimize the men's rights movement :/
/r/MensRights09/03/26 04:07 PM
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Someone needs to start compiling a list of all of these...
/r/MensRights09/03/26 03:58 PM
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Hear, hear. I feel the exact same. No legal system is perfect, no matter how rigorous the process is you can never be 100% certain the charged is guilty. Innocent people being wrongfully convicted is bad enough - no matter how well they're compensated, they can never get that lost time back, and their reputation/career will forever be tarnished from it. Not to mention their treatment while imprisoned, by both inmates and staff alike. Throwing a permanent disfigurement on top of all that is just …
/r/MensRights09/03/26 02:58 PM
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Probably not within our lifetimes, but I could definitely see things getting dire to the point where this is normalized in 100 years or so. It's already not uncommon to see calls for men (accused of) committing sex crimes against women to be castrated today. Get that enshrined in law to normalize punitive castration, and then gradually expand the punishment to cover sexual harassment, then non-sexual misogyny, then the mere criticism of feminism, and you're there.
/r/MensRights09/03/26 01:54 PM
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The difference is that unattractive incel women only really get mocked and harassed by bitter sexists. The average, non-sexist person will show sympathy if an unattractive woman despairs about being alone, and will socially ostracize someone who virgin shames her. Also, lonely women aren't viewed as creepy or dangerous. On the other hand, unattractive incel men get mocked and harassed by pretty much everybody, with absolutely no pushback or consequences. They not only don't get any sympathy, the…
/r/MensRights09/03/26 01:20 PM
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This, tbh. Turn that shit around on them, I would rather be a virgin than lower myself to be with a vile, virgin-shaming leech that likely smells of fish and piss, lol. Same goes for when they try to call you gay for daring to stand up to her. I'm straight, I find the idea of being in a relationship with a man to be appalling, and yet I would sooner date a man than a woman like that. The sexist insults only have as much power as you let them have.
/r/MensRights09/03/26 12:50 PM
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Hey look, it's that thing that feminists say never happens, and for such a fucking trivial reason too Surprising she was actually held accountable for it though, I guess the police actually start giving a shit about justice when one of them is the victim
/r/MensRights09/03/26 12:03 PM
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oh no but it's different because something something prejudice + power something something institutions /s
/r/MensRights14/03/25 11:49 AM
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Or, say that the issues are caused by men and therefore men need to fix them... As if the sex of the powerful assholes causing the issues matters at all. ...Or as if influential feminists aren't responsible for some of them.
/r/MensRights07/03/25 04:13 PM
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I don't know if it's quite needing to feel useful for me, I just find joy in explaining things to people. Something about being able to thoroughly express my knowledge on a certain topic just makes me feel satisfied in a way that I'm not when I do someone a favor or whatever. Maybe it just makes me feel smart? It becomes a problem when said explaining is done to someone that's already knowledgeable about the topic, coming off as condescending in the process. I can't speak for all men, but at lea…
/r/MensRights18/12/24 01:20 PM
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If the war devastates the population to a point where they have to resort to extreme polygamy to avoid dying out, I think they have far more pressing issues to be concerned about. You're making it sound like for every man that dies, 100 women are going down with him, but in reality it'd be far closer to a 1:1 ratio. And even if the population somehow did get that skewed, this isn't some desert island scenario, those 99 other women are going to fuck off to other countries just like they are right…
/r/MensRights28/11/24 04:02 AM
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"equality feels like oppression to those who were privileged" Classic feminist projection... It's a lot more accurate when applied to them.
/r/MensRights26/11/24 12:38 PM
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Personally, I'm of the rather radical belief that men should be free to behave however they desire, in whatever way would bring them the most happiness, whether that means acting in a way society considers masculine, feminine, or some sort of mix. So long as they're not harming others, or dragging them down, it really shouldn't matter. Men, above all, are individuals, and what works for one won't necessarily work for all. I say this as someone that lies mostly on the side you consider feminine. …
/r/MensRights23/10/24 02:04 PM
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For real, feminists can be absolutely brutal to women who dare to speak up for us, labeling them as pick mes and whatnot. Almost like feminism isn't an equality movement, despite what a lot of them say (and possibly even genuinely believe)... Makes the behavior of certain people in this thread all the more infuriating. We can support and appreciate our female allies without making them the center of the universe, we don't have to act just like feminists do and kick them out, or denigrate them fo…
/r/MensRights07/09/24 06:58 PM
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It's pretty sad that one of the first thoughts that popped in my head while reading the article was "thank goodness the father wasn't blamed by the cops and arrested instead". The absolute state of society... ...That being said, that is royally fucked. But watch her be handled with kiddie gloves...
/r/MensRights24/08/24 08:10 PM
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That's fair. Even amongst Feminists there are disagreements on what Feminism is, lol. I've seen at least 3 different perspectives on the matter coming from them... Labels can be surprisingly tricky, especially for something as rife with no true scotsmanism as Feminism is. I don't really have a good answer, unfortunately, besides just calling yourself what's most comfortable and logical to you, and maybe explaining your views in more detail when it comes up... That's about where I'm at!
/r/MensRights24/08/24 06:38 PM
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The consequence of a financial abortion is that the man forfeits all rights to the child. No visitation, no custody, no tax break, nothing. The direct comparison here is adoption, and much like adoption, the effect will vary from person to person. And how is only the woman held accountable? On the contrary, she's the only one who isn't! Sure, she can choose to carry to term and take on the burden of single motherhood, but she doesn't have to! She can choose to dump the child off on someone else …
/r/MensRights23/08/24 07:03 PM
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abortion is a consequence Abortion is not a consequence, it's a get out of jail free card, one that she can opt out of. The only true consequences are pregnancy, childbirth, and single motherhood, should the father leave; everything else is an out for her. Just like what financial abortion would be for a man, so why don't you consider that a consequence? What I never understand about the argument you make is that for some reason women are allowed to have all the unprotected sex they want and jus…
/r/MensRights23/08/24 12:13 PM
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I can relate. I was in a similar boat back when I was like 14 or so, and seeing all the misandrist venom spewing from the Feminists at the time (some things never change lmao). For a while I considered myself an Egalitarian and a staunch Anti-Feminist, but recently I ended up realizing that while Feminism has a lot of man-hating, female-supremacist bullshit going on, there are still a lot of causes they champion that I think are worth fighting for. These days, I take a sort of cafeteria approach…
/r/MensRights22/08/24 09:43 PM
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That male tears shit was everywhere at the beginning of the '10s, it played a really big role in converting little 14-year-old me from a supportive feminist doormat into a militant, raging anti-feminist for an entire decade!
/r/MensRights19/08/24 12:29 PM
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This post kicks ass, we need more MRAs like you!
/r/MensRights16/08/24 12:52 PM
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This makes my goddamn blood boil! Thanks for sharing though, it's important to get this stuff out there.
/r/MensRights16/08/24 12:29 PM
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Meanwhile for the inverse, if a woman chooses to carry to term and raise it, the father is forced into the ultimatum of either helping to raise it, or paying child support. Parental choice for her, but not for him!
/r/MensRights13/08/24 12:07 PM
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To the specific one in your post: "Yes, your brain is very small, good observation" EDIT: Otherwise, I'd probably play it by ear, but a running theme is to dunk on them for "arguing" like a child. For example, responding to a more explicit "your pp smol", I'd probably make some quip like "A very intelligent, mature rebuttal. But, have you considered the following: you stinky" Just, whatever you do, do NOT under any circumstances let yourself get genuinely upset, or come off that way if you respo…
/r/MensRights09/08/24 01:55 PM
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Oh, the Jews owning the banks and running Hollywood is just some tinfoil conspiracy theory! But men really do have a ton of privilege! no, don't look at those homelessness stats no, don't look into military conscription no, don't look into the family courts no, don't look into the suicide rates no, don't look into-
/r/MensRights08/08/24 10:36 PM
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Yeah, like I consider myself both a feminist and an MRA, but then I look at both movements and while they both have good people and good causes (advocate/advance the rights of women/men, respectively), there are also some very toxic people that make me ashamed to associate with either. I try to cope by reminding myself that every movement is made up of individuals, and that the quality of those individuals shouldn't have any bearing on the righteousness of the movement... But wow does it suck co…
/r/MensRights08/08/24 06:22 PM
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The people in these comments holding her accountable instead of both of them [are being misogynist]. Ah, now that I can agree with. (hey look, i misinterpreted an ambiguous statement and then we talked through it like adults, crazy lol) I agree with pretty much everything else too, obviously in a healthy relationship none of this would've ever happened, they'd have just talked, kissed and made up, the end, no reddit post. I was mostly really objecting cause it seemed like you didn't quite get wh…
/r/MensRights08/08/24 05:24 PM
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This reinterpreting put in quotes doesn't do anything for me. If you're referring to "I don't actually find you sexually attractive...", is it cause you're not seeing the logic in that interpretation? Or do you just not see a lack of sexual attraction as worth getting upset over? If you're referring to "You're ugly...", that wasn't a direct reinterpreting, moreso just an example to highlight my point; being made to feel like you're sexually unattractive (when you care about that) is going to hur…
/r/MensRights08/08/24 04:43 PM
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"You're not someone I want to be a hookup/fwb with, but I want to marry you" can very easily be interpreted to mean "I don't actually find you sexually attractive, but still want to marry you for other reasons". You don't have to want to be a one night stand to find that sentiment pretty hurtful. "You're ugly, but you've got a great personality" is a lot more hurtful than it is a compliment, at least to anybody that has any pride in their looks! Especially with 2.5 years of relationship behind i…
/r/MensRights08/08/24 03:05 PM
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I don't think the men here are wrong for being offended by the less charitable interpretation of her statement (though I don't agree with how a lot of them are going about expressing it). It's not about the fact that men want to be hookups/fwbs, it's what being one implies; the woman finds them attractive enough to want that. Being in what he thought was a loving relationship of mutual attraction for 2.5 years, only to be told what he interpreted as "I don't actually find you attractive, but I k…
/r/MensRights08/08/24 02:43 PM
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I'm sure I'm going to get hate for this, but the optimist in me says this might just be a matter of shitty communication on her part. Woman (likely) meant to say something like "I don't just want you to be a hookup/fwb that I forget about, I think you're so amazing that I want to live with/have sex for you for my whole life" Man interprets it the way everyone else here likely did: "I don't think you're attractive enough to be a hookup/fwb, but I still want to marry you for other (likely less tha…
/r/MensRights08/08/24 01:08 PM
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Unfortunately, tribalism is humanity's default setting, and it's really easy to slip into without a high level of self-awareness. Hell, I find myself doing it sometimes too. We're not animals beholden to instinct though, and I really wish there were more people in important, high-visibility places demonstrating that by fighting against it.
/r/MensRights08/08/24 12:00 PM
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Oh, ok! That I can agree with, for sure. :)
/r/MensRights20/04/24 07:51 PM
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Nuance? On my internet? Seriously, this kind of mentality gets applied to basically every group. MRAism, Feminism, Sexualities, Political beliefs, Fandoms... It's classic human tribalism. It's really easy to set up an effigy of the sort of person you hate and then just lambast it, but yeah, turns out individuals are a lot more varied than that. Hypocrites do exist, and they certainly suck, but their presence is vastly overestimated. That said, I wouldn't say that describes most grievances here. …
/r/MensRights20/04/24 07:40 PM
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This place only continues to exist because it's relatively small. If it gets big enough, Reddit will manufacture a reason to get rid of it, just like they do with any other inconvenient subreddits.
/r/MensRights01/02/24 07:54 PM
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I was actually already considering looking into the trades to see if one would be a good fit for me! I know a lot of them allow for (relative) independence, which is a huge draw. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll take a look!
/r/MensRights19/01/24 08:05 PM
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If he decides not to raise it, making him support it financially is just. Strong disagree. If she chooses to see the pregnancy through despite knowing the father is unwilling, the child is solely her responsibility. There's a case to be made if the father strings her along before changing his mind when it's too late for her to abort (which a decent time limit on paper abortion should prevent anyway), but otherwise it is solely on her. But I'm curious to hear your rationale on why it is "just", a…
/r/MensRights19/01/24 07:35 PM
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I also recently quit a career in software. Not a very long one at all, mind you, but still. I just realized that while I love the work itself, the industry and its standards are just incompatible with me. In my case, it was the crunch culture that did it. One particularly brutal 2-week-long nightmare crunch nearly drove me to off myself and killed any desire I had to continue working in the industry. It sucks, cause software is so cool and interesting! But hey, at least we can always work on per…
/r/MensRights19/01/24 04:03 PM
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How old is the cutoff How about the same as non-paper abortion? Seems obvious enough to me. EDIT: Maybe with a potential additional 2 weeks after discovering the mother is pregnant, in case the mother hid the pregnancy or something. Paper abortions force one biological parent to take care of the kid alone Nope. The mother (who would be the parent in this scenario) can also abort the pregnancy, or put the kid up for adoption. But what if she wants to keep the kid anyway, but can't afford it? Too …
/r/MensRights19/01/24 03:42 PM
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Can someone do a counter-petition or something to show support for it? God this shit sucks.
/r/MensRights16/01/24 09:55 AM
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If wanting equality in a relationship makes me a princess then give me a pink dress and a fucking tiara I'd probably look better in it anyway lmao
/r/MensRights11/01/24 10:43 AM
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"Women aren't one homogeneous group" "Every post on this sub is just strawmanning", treating everyone here as a homogeneous group Hypocrisy, thy name is guuszo Even funnier cause Aardwolfington never said every woman is like that, ofc they're not all the same, but there are women who are like that and they deserve to be called out on it
/r/MensRights11/01/24 10:37 AM
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I can only speak for myself, but I don't care at all. In fact, I've even gone out of my way to make it absolutely clear for her that I don't want her doing any of that for my sake, and to only do it if she prefers it that way.
/r/MensRights08/01/24 10:59 PM
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Happy to help with a high school project! I hope our insight broadens your perspectives. also sorry if I was a bit long-winded
/r/MensRights21/06/23 05:05 AM
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