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1) You have it backwards, women want relationships with alphas but alphas often don't want relationships with such women because they are not sufficiently attractive to them for an LTR and more importantly because women's preferences give alphas such an absurd amount of options that they'd be fools to tie themselves to just one woman. 2) By women's actions, alphas are better as women provide little to no barriers to having sex with them and want LTRs with them. A woman would immediately eject a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:36 PM
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I think men lack the same moral integrity and natural affections and empathy that women have. Women aren't morally superior to women, more affectionate than men and generally don't empathize better than men do. It's a blue pilled falacy to think so. At least with respect to men. The types of debates that occur in communities like this are quite clear. Most women could never empathize with the male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:15 PM
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But that's not the example in this post. OP both admitted she didn't bring it up before and that it was an open relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:12 PM
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But you said it was an open relationship, why is marriage an expectation if that's the case? Again, this was very simple for her. She could have brought up the conversation. She didn't. It's on her for not making her intentions clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:09 PM
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The marriage market has been ruined to such a horrendous extent that a great many men, both high quality ones and low quality ones are no longer looking for marriage but will take a relationship like the one mentioned in this post. If women want something different than they need to support major changes to how marriage and divorce works. If a man is getting the benefits of marriage as the man was in this post, he has no intention to make it official. She can very easily screen out who is seriou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:08 PM
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There's a great many men like that out there, they're called simps. They're why women on Only Fans make a lot of money. Men by and large are repulsed by this men, find them disgraceful and rightfully believe they are a big part of ruining the dating market for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:03 PM
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For sleeping with only, yeah, no man cares. For marriage, I think these days most men will accept that as an acceptable number, although they will suspect it has been cut in half or even more. Really religious guys yes it will be too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:01 PM
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Nearly all men find that important, at least if its a serious long term relationship with an intention to marry. The important thing is whether the man admits it. A great many find it important but will never say that out loud. There are some men for whom they are so unsuccessful or low on the totem pole that they can't have such a standard. Of course the guy's number is also important to women, it's just in the opposite direction. They will be repulsed if he has little to no experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:58 PM
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There's an easy counter to that though. She should be clear on her intentions early on and not make assumptions. You stated that to him the relationship was for fun and casual sex. You stated it was an open relationship. Given the end result I think the odds are that she was with a guy more attractive than her, she benefitted from it for a while, but refrained from doing the things that would respect her youth, beauty and fertility, namely making her intentions clear and demanding no open relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:56 PM
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You're blaming men for something that in this case is the woman's fault. She didn't bring it up. If she went a year without even asking the question of his intentions that is a total blunder on her part. Especially if she is providing him all the benefits of marriage already. Society as a whole has discarded notions such as that both man and woman should be virgins until marriage, that they shouldn't live together before marriage, etc... Largely because that's what women wanted. There are conseq…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:50 PM
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Mostly due to high cost of living, economic security, work life balance etc. This generally has not been the case. Poorer countries have more children than larger countries. And within societies poorer people have more children than richer people. Governments have tried doing things on this front to encourage more births and it hasn't worked. There has to be a proper balance between freedom and societal expectations or a recalibration of society based on the lower birth rate. Namely massive redu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:49 PM
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Things were never perfect historically but there were compromises made. Ex. a woman couldn't make an instagram account and get with someone thousands of miles away and was generally restricted to men in her geographical area for a mate. Recent trends from women in particular is little to no compromises on their part, resulting in them turning down men who their mothers, grandmothers, etc... would have accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:45 PM
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Things such as keeping yourself as slim as possible and growing out your hair as long as possible (for women) or working out and being really physically fit (for men) absolutely can be earned. Or simply good grooming, dressing yourself well, etc... as well. Yeah, if one has a really ugly face that can cancel these out, but it's not 100% the genetics you were born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:40 PM
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But also all the women on reddit who say "I can't ask the man out or he'll think I'm a whore". I think the vast, vast majority of men would love to be asked out by a woman. Obviously they'd want it to be a woman they find attractive, but if its an attractive woman who asked them out instead of them asking her out they will be quite happy. It will show that she has a genuine desire for him which is often hard to find. This mentality is something that women generally impose on themselves, either d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:16 PM
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I'm of the opinion that expecting it to be 50/50 is being unrealistic about the way society is and the way men and women are. It's quite logical why more women are going to go to college than men. The types of jobs that typically don't require a college degree, those that require a lot of physical labor are overwhelmingly going to go to men. Also women have proven that while they want to work, they don't want hard, difficult or unglamorous jobs. You don't see a lot of women wanting to be plumber…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:38 PM
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My own anecdotal experience (which is just that) is that most of the abortion argument is women vs. women. The people most for abortion and most against abortion are women. Most men are either pro choice or don't particularly care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:53 PM
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Said matters are primarily being said to troll people and are not their actually held beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:49 PM
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What is disgusting about the reaction? Basically all I've seen in reaction to the 4B stuff is people laughing at it because its foolish, or saying it makes no difference because these women were never going to give most men the time of day in the first place. the American people at large have shown that they are unsafe for women, and men are very much over represented in that group. America is among the safest places in the world for women. I'm not sure what you mean by men being over represente…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:44 PM
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This topic comes up a lot (or at least I've seen it many times, whether here or in other mediums). It's not that difficult to understand why they do what they do. They have after hours shows filled with a lot of drama. They have normal hour shows where they go into finance and other things to improve a guy's prospects. The latter get a fraction of the views that the after hours shows get. For anyone who operates their business on Youtube, which is the case for them (they have mentioned leaving t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:06 PM
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Why would they have PHD candidates on their that would challenge their opinion and make them look stupid? Putting on a PHD candidate would if anything bolster F&F's claims actually. I'll admit I haven't watched F&F lately (the act gets quite old), but I have watched videos of theirs where they brought on experienced businesswomen or women that have advanced degrees. One has to realize that having such advanced agrees doesn't make a woman less delusional when it comes to getting a man. If anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:54 PM
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A few days late, but I wanted to add my two cents on the whole thing about Fresh & Fit bringing on women who are caricatures rather than "regular women". Yes, that's quite clear that's what they do. But what you need to keep in mind about them and practically any other Youtube channel that hits it big is that it exists as a business. Nothing personal against Myron and Walter (I actually like them quite a lot), but one is delusional if they think their channel exists for altruistic reasons. Its a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:16 PM
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I remember watching this movie in theatres back in my blue pill days. Saw it because I had a crush on Zooey Deschanel at the time and also really liked the guy playing Tom, remembering him from the Third Rock from the Sun TV show. Expected it to be a fun romantic comedy... lol. It was certainly not that. The big lessons to take away from the movie are 1)When you get rejections or claims from women that "I'm not looking for a serious relationship" or "I'm not into doing that type of stuff", you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:01 PM
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This whole movement that's been going on for the last few years of women coming out saying they like dad bods is nothing more than performative virtue signalling to try and make fat/chubby men feel better about themselves. You have this part wrong. Women saying they like dad bods aren't trying to make fat/chubby men feel better about themselves. These men don't exist to them in a romantic sense. They could care less about those men's feelings. It is virtue signaling to make themselves look bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:03 PM
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The Wall continues to be a topic where there are massive amounts of misconceptions and strawmanning. Not enough people spend enough time learning about what the Wall really is and hence you have a lot of confusion or just flat out lies about it. Think of the sports analogy which to my knowledge is where the term originated from. An athlete inherently has a lot of talent, is very successful for quite a while, then hits a point, usually somewhere in his 30s where the physical strength, endurance o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:08 PM
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From a standpoint of pure physical attraction, the type of relationship that you would want to have with a woman, a feminist is not any different than any other type of woman. She is still going after the top 20% of men that all women are going after. She will still reject the vast majority of men for superficial reasons. She will still lose attraction to a man who shows himself to be emotionally vulnerable, or a man who expresses his difficulties to her. She will still lose attraction to a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 05:06 PM
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There absolutely is a blue pill for women, I think its just that the blue pill for women is totally different delusions than the blue pill for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 04:49 PM
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The way I would look at it is that a lot of the blue pilled delusions that men suffer from, women for the most part know the reality. They aren't under that delusion that the blue pilled man is. For example, women tend to be natural plate spinners, whereas for men one will generally not consider plate spinning at all while blue pilled. Women know they desire the exciting "bad boy" more than the average "nice guy". Now this doesn't mean women are honest about it, and it is their natural inclinati…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 04:47 PM
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Blue pilled advice tends to be the main stream dating advice that may have worked 50 years ago but is completely ineffective for the modern man. For example: Don't change. You'll eventually find someone who likes you for you. Everyone has a soul mate You should open up with women, show them your weaknesses Women don't care about looks There's someone out there for everyone Red pilled advice takes out the delusion and looks at reality. You absolutely should change if things aren't working. If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 04:36 PM
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You don't appear to know much about the red pill. There certainly is a thing called "red pill rage" that men get when they first become acclimated to the red pill. Granted most men who get to the red pill already have a reason to become frustrated due to lack of success with women. Red pilled men, once they have gotten past that initial anger/frustration don't hate women and they don't seek to change hypergamy because they know they can't. They do accept it. They work on what they can do to impr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 04:32 PM
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Well there's a couple of perspectives to look at it from. If everyone is upfront, you are more likely to get the hookup with the 22 year old. She will be in her peak SMV years, her so called "hoe phase" and is less likely to be looking for a long term relationship. She's looking to have fun. The 32 year old's mindset will be different. She will be far more likely to be looking to settle down, and is the type you'd see with "no hookups" in her online dating profile. Of course the counter to that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 05:08 PM
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When people can’t afford to buy a house, when wages aren’t keeping up with inflation, when people have to choose between paying rent and buying food, all sorts of bad things result from that. All of those things were directly caused by the government/more socialism-type policies. In this case your "solution" is the cause of the problem in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 04:55 PM
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My point is that those who yearn for trad “days of old” don’t have much idea of what it was actually like. A great point. Both men and women of today can look at the olden days; the loser guy will say it was so much better for men back then and he wishes it was like that now. The feminist will say women were equivalent to slaves back then and had little to no rights and that men got to live like kings. Both are wrong. The average guy spent most of his time putting in backbreaking labor. In times…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:13 AM
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White progressives also seem to not notice that many blacks are religious and majority Christian. I foresee this as causing quite the issue for the Democratic party in the future. The party has been trending more and more in the direction of being extremely anti-religion; and yet that stance is and will be costing it votes from the black community and Hispanic ("Latinx" is offensive) community. A lot of Hispanics are going to the Republican party which is blowing up a lot of the Democratic Party…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:10 AM
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One of the most blue pilled comments I've ever seen on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 11:53 PM
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We love to point and laugh at women who explore their options, instead of instantly settling for one person. This is a strawman, or you've been very careful with the wording to cover up what actually happens. No man looks down at the woman who has explored her options with say, 10 men. Will a man act differently towards a woman who has slept with 100 men? Absolutely. Men frown upon this, even though men have abused their advantages in dating for as long as humanity existed. Treating women like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 11:47 PM
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Also what's the idea here anyways, don't date until you're 35 and then fumble around helplessly because you never had relationships to practice and get to know yourself? These RP ideas are kind of ridiculous ngl It sounds ridiculous because its not a Red Pill idea. OP has no idea what he's talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 06:00 PM
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Those dismissing men's chances in this debate are always thinking that the man being spoken of is some guy who is 50 pounds overweight, bald and makes $50,000 a year. The average schlub. That's not the person Red Pillers are talking about at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 05:59 PM
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I do kind of think that there is a lot of a "Reverse Apex Falacy" when it comes to these discussions. The Red Pill says that a man who works hard on building up his wealth, status, game, etc... and also puts in hard work to improve and/or retain his looks can be a lot more successful in the dating market at 35 than at 22. When blue pillers, black pillers, feminists, etc... engage in the debate on this subject the 35 year old man they are thinking of is a guy who is 30 pounds overweight, has alre…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 05:57 PM
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So one of TRP ideals I read is for men to not start dating until around 35+ This is not accurate. If a man doesn't start dating until he's 35+ he's going to be an inexperienced loser and will have little to no success. The Red Pill more so tends to discuss that men should spin plates throughout their 20s and not consider settling down until their 30s. This dwindles then the marketplace for those men in their 20s realling wanting a LTR with someone closer in age. How do you feel about this? Are y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 05:48 PM
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I feel like it’s disingenuous for the red pill to preach to guys that age doesn’t matter for guys The Red Pill doesn't preach that age doesn't matter for guys at all; I'd say its more so focusing on the fact that age doesn't matter in the same way for men and women. The experiences of a 22 year old woman are vastly different than those of a 22 year old man. and as long as you put your head down and grind out your money and status, you will attain “high value” and be rewarded in the future. You'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 05:29 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the dating market initially looks horrific if you are a male, but when you think about it, it is probably easier now than ever to get yourself to being a top 20% male. There is more information about the real nature of women, game, ways to improve your physique, etc... than there has ever been in human history. All you need is an internet connection. That's not an end all be all for all men (the 5 foot 4 guy will still be 5 feet 4 no matter how much he …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 05:17 PM
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The foundational mistake you are making with respect to the Red Pill is that you're thinking men have to be the same thing as what they are looking for and that attraction going both ways between the sexes is looking for the same thing. They're not. A woman having a low body count or even being a virgin makes her more attractive to a man. That same woman, unless she's really religious (which is hardly anyone these days of that age, at least in the west), is repulsed by the man with the low body …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:48 PM
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Sorry for the late reply. I'm not arguing that men are only desiring women in their 20s. Simply that those women are in the most demand. In the perfect world, where the guy had as many options as he wanted, he'd go with a woman in his 20s. Certainly men will settle (or frankly just have to go what their SMV equivalent option is). And many men will be fine with a woman in their 30s, 40s, etc... Especially if he already has a relationship with her and has grown old with her. Women in their 20s bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:32 PM
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From a sexual experience standpoint, the age itself isn't really relevant to the conversation? I mean obviously it is for other factors (ex. physical attraction), but that 30 year old virgin guy can look at a 21 year old woman and she still could have already racked up a notch count of 50 plus by that age. This is one reason why a lot of the arguments against age gap relationships are strawmanned and nonsense; in a relationship between the 30 year old virgin guy and 21 year old very sexually exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:25 PM
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why do these women, who are apparently more attracted to old men, end up in relationships with people only 3 years older than them when they, with almost zero effort, could tie down a 35 year old almost-millionaire from Tinder? You're strawmanning and not understanding supply and demand. What percentage of the male population do you really think is around 35 years old, almost a millionaire, and single? 1%? Even less than that? How many 20 something year old women are out there? A far greater num…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:23 PM
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I just don't get how RP, with its obsession with hypergamy and "divorce rape" and female sexual fidelity, doesn't see how a much younger woman will have (a) many younger, hotter, options for branch swinging, (b) a lot of time left to branch swing, and (c) the ability to clean you out in a divorce. You don't read much RP then because men are fully aware of this. They're also aware that the older woman is also providing the same amount of risk cheating on him or divorcing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:19 PM
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Red Pilled Men know that is a risk and accept it. The women their own age still carries the same risk that they are going to divorce him than the younger woman. So when the risk is the same, go for what you desire more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:18 PM
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A big reason why women in their 20s have such high SMV is because men of all ages desire them. This in turn means that women in their 30s, but especially their 40s and up see far less interest because men are desiring younger women instead of them. I'd suspect that a large amount of the hate against age gap relationships are from those women. They spent their 20s enjoying the high SMV they had, were lied to by feminism and other women about it lasting forever then realize as they get older and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:14 PM
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I'd adjust that slightly. It's men of higher value who have that leverage over women. Women still have all the leverage over loser guys in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:08 PM
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Women aren't inherently attracted to a man solely because he is older. The studies have shown that women are generally attracted most to men who are within a few years of their own age. Any notion that you as a guy are going to automatically have better success with women, whether your age or younger than you simply because you've gotten older is delusional. But then that argument is almost always a strawman. One who has spent time reading up on the Red Pill would know that as men get into their…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:02 PM
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Well first off you have to consider that the Red Pill is male sexual strategy. So much of the discussions over it and those following it are going to be focusing on the sex part. For men who are Red Pilled but are more seeking LTRs rather than a life of casual sex, then I think you'd find that most guys are perfectly fine with a woman who wait to sleep with them, under the condition that she has held that standard for all men. Its quite the insult for a woman who has slept with other guys before…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 05:57 PM
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If that's the nature of the discussions there then I would agree that it is of value. Just like a lot of the red pill is teaching men red flags about women, it makes sense that for a women there should be analysis of red flag about men. Of course its not just identifying red flags; to justify the expectations held there the woman has to recognize what is high value in the eyes of men if ultimately the goal is to get into a relationship with a high value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 05:53 PM
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As we all know, most men are not at serious disadvantage in the open casual sex market. Huh? Of course they are. Anyone paying attention to the marketplace at all would admit that women have an advantage over all but the top percentage of men. When everyone starts to settle down and match up 1:1, many woman are left with men that aren’t that sexually appealing, while most men find their woman sexually appealing. Many woman I know in LTR, rarely orgasm in their LTR, while almost every man does. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 05:46 PM
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Both sides discuss increasing your SMV. I hadn't realized that FDS covered topics such as losing weight, staying thin if you're already that, making yourself look more feminine, etc... Everything I've seen is about demanding extremely high standards and considering your value inherent with no need for improvement. Happy to be wrong if I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:13 PM
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For the Red Pill, I'd say no. Men who properly understand the Red Pill and are using it to improve themselves are doing so knowing that if they are going to want a more attractive woman they are going to have to up their game. They also understand that even with that, a man typically gets a woman at his SMV or slightly below and that getting one above his SMV is nearly impossible. Those who go in the pick up realm are typically asking out large volumes of women, many they may not be largely attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:11 PM
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Well that's why a lot of these women end up alone and start to hate men even more. If she's really attractive she will be able to get the guy she wants and he'll put up with her. The rest? No such luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:07 PM
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Requirement: Slim, long hair, at least somewhat attractive face Preference: I strongly prefer brunettes to blondes, but ultimately that is a preference, I have and totally would date a blonde who met the requirements above; I suppose I'm one of the very few men out there who prefers small breasts over large ones No real preference: Height doesn't really matter, I find both tall and short women attractive. Also while a good butt is certainly a plus, I've never and never would use it as a disquali…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:10 AM
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I think as with many things, its somewhere in the middle. I would agree that the concept of abstinence that religious conservatives have and continue to preach is too idealistic and naïve in this day and age. It is better to teach your children about safe sex and sex in general than to act like it doesn't exist and either leave them as seeking sex themselves but taking no precautions, or being so sexually repressed that they never get any experience with it whatsoever. Sex shouldn't be viewed as…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:03 AM
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Feminists want men who are emasculated and adopt the belief that women can be the dominant type lol so they can be the "man" in the relationship...feminists want to be men without the physical strength... That's all I see. I always laugh so hard at women who try to be dominant... They always overdo it. Just go be a butch lesbian or something honestly... Well they want men who they are not in romantic relationships to be look that. They typically are still attracted to the same type of guy that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:51 PM
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This will hopefully change soon. China is starting to offer financial benefits for women to marry unemployed or less well-off men, including vocational training among other things That will make no difference. You can't negotiate attraction. Now that doesn't mean that some women won't take up the Chinese government on the deal. But those are women who were already going to settle for a beta in the first place. May as well get paid for what they were going to have to settle for in the first place…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:43 PM
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Are you a black pilled individual? It really comes off that way at first when you say essentially say you are born as an alpha, and if you're not that, tough shit. Same when you make reference to an alpha being the top man of a primate tribe. Those well versed with the red pill would know that alpha and beta are place holder terms encompassing not just physical appearance, but behavior and mindset. It is usually a pretty easy tell that someone is straw manning or doesn't have much actual red pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:37 PM
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I would dismiss anything relating to magazines and the like that declare someone "Sexiest Man Alive". It makes me think of the great, but cancelled far too quickly show, "Don't Trust the B**** in Apartment 23" where one of the main characters, Chloe, faked her way into working at People magazine or some equivalent to get James Vanderbeek named sexiest man alive. Despite all the effort and work put into it we find at the end of the episode that the decision on which guy gets that title is solely …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 06:14 PM
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No way is it close to 97%. If you think this way its probably because you hear a lot more about the disastrous divorces than you hear about the ones that went relatively smoothly. Obviously its not an ideal scenario at all if a divorce is happening, but the ones where both parties agreed to it and don't hate each other, but just aren't in love anymore aren't the ones that are getting news reports, reddit posts, youtube videos, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 05:59 PM
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The guy whose having great and frequent sex with his girlfriend/fiance/wife tends to not care that she did the same with 50 other guys back when she was in college. The guy who is getting starfish sex once per month with his girlfriend/fiance/wife absolutely cares about that. Because it proves that she isn't attracted to him and is using him, whether its for his money, emotional support, etc... If she's having great and frequent sex with him, than clearly she is attracted to him. Not that hard t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 05:56 PM
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It's not so much American culture that has these contradictions as it is certain individuals who are saying such things only because it serves their best interests. The vast majority of the populace, 90 - 95% doesn't care about age gaps unless its patently absurd (ex. Anna Nicole Smith and that super old guy she married), and even for most its not that it disgusts them as much as its obvious that its more of a business transaction (she gets lots of money, he gets sex with a hot young woman). The…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 05:52 PM
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Agreed, being an attractive young woman is a massive privilege in dating. But as this is a "CMV" post, some sort of challenge to the view is necessary. So I would say the downside to that is such women who are able to get by solely on their looks will never develop the relationship skills or just skills in general that will be necessary, or at least really helpful later in life. No attractive young woman is young forever. Even if she remains attractive, when she turns 35, 40, etc... she's compet…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:08 PM
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The thing with Bumble is, its primarily a virtue signal. Women aren't being more empowered by getting to message first. It's just additional screening on top of the current screening of requiring a match to be able to message people. She has to both swipe right on you and send a message first. In my experience using Bumble, the vast majority of the matches I've gotten (90%+), the woman's first message to me was an emoji, a "Hi", a ".' or something similar with no effort at all. So ultimately the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:54 PM
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The thing is, other apps that require a formal match to message already have that benefit of not getting overwhelmed with messages. You don't like a guy and don't want messages from him, simply don't swipe right on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:49 PM
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Not just that, when your account goes inactive for going a while without using it, as an incentive to get you to use it again it will match you pretty quickly once you log back on. I can say multiple times I've gone back to Bumble after long periods of not using it, got a match with the first right swipe I did, a woman who was very attractive, and never got a response back (meaning it was obviously fake).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:47 PM
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As someone who was around watching Seinfeld live as it aired for at least the last few years there (granted as a kid) and who has seen every episode probably at least 4 or 5 times, we as viewers weren't really meant to watch these characters and think that they representated the average person. In fact a lot of the time we were supposed to be disgusted by them (which is why in my mind the rather hated finale was so perfect as they finally got their comeuppance for their behavior). On this matter…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:37 PM
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However, it restrains them from being their true selves around potential “partners”, A big part about having success with the Red Pill is internalizing things so you truly become that individual. If someone has to play a role to be an alpha and that is not really them, ultimately things are going to break. They will be found out, they will lose their frame, and ultimately their success with a particular woman will fall apart. To have complete success they need to internalize things so they truly…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 05:41 PM
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But I do believe redpill teaching men to be “chads” is just ridiculous. Why not teach men AND women to be strong minded, level headed, somewhat stoic, yet emotionally available, compassionately empathic/sympathetic adult human beings? The red pill teaches men to try and become Chads because at the end of the day, the red pill is sexual strategy for men. Women reward Chads on a sexual level. They look down upon and generally don't treat non-Chad men as human from a sexual standpoint. Hence men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 05:33 PM
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I CONSTANTLY observe toxic masculinity regularly, whether is be online or real life anecdotes. I’ve always fantasized about meeting a mentally (and even physically) strong, level-headed partner. Do you have some examples, and why this is specifically red pill behavior? Moreover, I believe men acquiring a defeatist mentality so suddenly, and especially after being mistreated, is the reason why male suicide rates are on the rise. I think you need to learn more about the red pill. Having a defeatis…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 05:30 PM
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Why 35? That will still be too young for OP when a 49 year old man goes out with a 35 year old women. Let's make it 40. No adult privileges until one is 40 years old, especially having sex. Then in a couple of decades we'll all be shocked when the population starts to crash because the births are down by 95%.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:43 AM
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Under your proposal that is acceptable though. They are both under the age of consent. What are we doing now, multiple tiers of consent? Doesn't that blow up your entire argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:41 AM
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The funny thing is, the OP is obviously a very far left individual, but a ton of fundamental religious conservatives would be totally on board with his proposal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:39 AM
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Older women would love raising the age of consent to 21 or older though, Well they would until they realize that all their "sisters" are also having their voting rights taken away, their ability get an abortion without their parent's consent taken away, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:36 AM
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The solution isn't to raise the age of consent and take away all these freedoms from people between the ages of 18 - 20 though. Look to solve the problems in other fashions than the authoritarianism you are looking to impose upon society. Let's take education for example. I agree, education costs are totally out of control. So let's work on fixing that. For starters, end government support of student loans and permit student loans to be discharged via bankruptcy. The bubble in student loan debt …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:33 AM
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Lack of access to competitive wages, career growth opportunities, home buying opportunities. People who are young, between the ages of 18 - 20 generally have a lack of access to competitive wages because they have little to no work experience. You gain more work experience, or gain sufficient knowledge through your college education, your leverage as a worker go up and hence the salary/wages you can demand go up. That in turn improves your career growth opportunities. It is not the fact of being…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:25 AM
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But you essentially are proposing religious totalitarianism. The religious fanatics would totally agree with you on raising the age of consent and seizing the freedoms away from people between 18 - 20. Why are you so on board with taking away the freedoms of people that our society has decided are adults and can make their own choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:17 AM
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So I understand from one of your other comments that you are a male, but I'm going to make the same argument I make whenever an older woman gets pissed off that men are attracted to younger women and makes a proposal to raise the age of consent to 21, 25, or whatever. So you're telling me that you really want all of the following to be taken away from people between the ages of 18 - 20. Because there is no picking and choosing. It's all or nothing. They can no longer get a bank account, get a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:11 AM
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I view someone's type as their physical ideal. Someone's type merely by being their type is more likely to be viewed as attractive and the people that are considered the most attractive are someone's type. That doesn't mean one is only attracted to their type. For me, my type is brown or black hair, brown eyes, skinny and really long hair. If a woman has blue eyes, or blonde hair, or her hair is still past her shoulders but not as long as my type would I not be attracted to her? Of course not. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:51 AM
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Are supermarkets stocked with foods that have a lot of sugar, preservatives, etc.. in them and as a result are unhealthy? Absolutely. But healthy food is also at the supermarket and available to purchase. Your post is ultimately just making excuses for people's bad habits. And most of the time it is not the fact that these sugary foods exist that is the problem. They should be eaten in moderation. No one eating a single Hostess cupcake a day as a snack is going to get fat over it. It's the eatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 10:17 PM
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This is a combination of strawmanning and pinpointing the discussion on too narrow a scenario instead of focusing on why this topic comes up. The 10/10 at McDonalds getting wifed up by the rich CEO is a strawman argument that is extraordinarily unlikely to ever happen in the first place because its not going to come up period. A 10/10 is not working at McDonalds for very long. In most situations she never works there in the first place. If she does work there she very quickly moves onto somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:13 PM
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You claim you follow red pill stuff but apparently you dont pay much attention The OP is very obviously a blue piller who has watched very little actual red pill content. If you're telling men they should be "gentlemen" that makes it quite obvious what side of the equation you're on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 10:15 PM
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I generally think Myron and Fresh Prince are on the mark with their opinions, but their show has largely become unwatchable to me because as you've said, they're being a bit disingenuous at the women they are putting on the show. Their show is dominated by women who have Only Fan accounts, are Instagram models, are strippers, etc... They are sensationalizing things as much as they can. The average looking "girl next door" type who is a kindergarten teacher from some rural town in Oklahoma is nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 10:09 PM
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Trauma is typically how guys get into the red pill in the first place. Either guys who have been in relationships and they've gone south, or guys who haven't been able to get into relationships period. Which makes sense. If you're the genetically blessed Chad who has never had issues with women, you don't need the red pill to get women, it just comes naturally. As others have said, a big thing you need to realize about content creators is they need to drive people to viewing their content. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 10:04 PM
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Short hair works for a very small percentage of women with very attractive faces. Morena Baccarin in the show Homeland for example is very attractive despite the short hair. That doesn't change the fact that she'd be even more attractive with longer hair. For the vast, vast majority of women (90%+) it does not look good. Less attractive women can absolutely use longer, well taken care of hair to boost their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:11 PM
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Yes, it will, but not in the way that you think. We're never going to go full purge level. But the wealthy, high standard of living feminist controlled society that is essentially the west today is not going to remain. Saying a lowering population will actually be a good thing is only good if the entire world did it, and that's not happening. For individual countries, lowering population is actually quite damaging. You have to remember that much of today's societies have essentially set up their…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 05:53 PM
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Actually, men rate women's attractiveness on a bell curve, 50% less than average, 50% more than average. Women rate 80% of men as unattractive and I've seen polls where the above average attractive men is a whopping 0%. So 80% less than average and 20% average.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 04:47 AM
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In that scenario women would still only view the top 20% of men as attractive, so now its 4% of the current male population...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 04:45 AM
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Women aren't gonna be too happy when they realize equaling of the market means that only a small fraction of them get to enjoy that, plus a good 30% or so get absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 04:43 AM
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This would be quite the change to society; overnight numerous industries would crash. The porn industry, Only Fans, strip clubs, Instagram thots, girls on Twitch, the list goes on. Gotta think that women aren't gonna be too happy when they realize what men's thirst has gotten them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 04:39 AM
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Have you familiarized yourself at all with women's standards? The woman who is 100 pounds overweight and makes $40,000 a year doesn't view the man who is in the same position as her equal. She is disgusted by him. She views her equal as a man who isn't overweight at all and makes at least $80,000 a year. So imagine what the standards are for a woman who isn't overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 04:31 AM
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You have to understand that the women complaining about a lack of good men aren't considering men who are equal to them or even slightly above them as equal to them. Said women have had numerous opportunities with what most would consider a "good man" and consider them beneath them romantically. Do an exercise; ask a woman what her expectations are for a prospective "good" man she is looking for, in particular focusing on minimums for height, body type, age, race/ethnicity and income. Then do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 09:28 PM
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Its why I rarely have patience for men who whine and complain about not getting dating opportunities. Getting in shape alone already pushes you into the top third.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 09:23 PM
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Its not that hard to understand. When a woman says she can't find a "man", you have to realize she's not speaking about simply all human males. An important thing to remember is that when it comes to dating, women view a very significant portion of men (generally 75-80%) as not being human beings. So you've got 100% of women going after approximately 20% of men. And the numbers don't add up when you consider that. Either those women have to share a man with several other women, or get no man at …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 04:45 PM
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For all the complaining about how incels are dangerous, etc... the fact is that 99.999% of them, regardless of how much they may complain will never actually do anything. Women have more to fear from the men they are actually sleeping with than incels. Acts of violence, murder, etc... far more often occur from someone the woman already knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 10:11 PM
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The wall analogy works better for women then men because women generally get their sexual market place value inherently. For most women (there will always be outliers) by simply not screwing it up they will have a lot of value to men for a window of time in their life, primarily through their 20s. Most men have very little sexual market place value inherently. Less men hit the wall as a result. More so because these men never had that high value in the first place and didn't face that big collap…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 10:06 PM
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The Red Pill isn't about a competition between men and women. Its sexual strategy for men that involves them no longer believing in delusions about women. Learn the definition of the wall instead of using a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 10:03 PM
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Yes, there are different tastes. But they are still concentrated amongst a small amount of men. So woman A only finds 10% of men attractive. Women B only finds 8% of men attractive. There is a 7% overlap. So that's 11% of men overall. Add woman C, who finds 11% of men attractive, with there being a 9% overlap. Do it for enough women and you eventually come out to tops about 20% of men who are considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 10:53 PM
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trp is ammoral right, it just tells you how women think, what they look for, what works and why. Men can choose to do the hard work and grow and becoming that man or they can choose to get quick results. So trp is like blue pill in a important way, it gives the choice to men to use a crutch, blue pill removes the choice and imposes cultural ideas of how to behave on men. I don't see what "crutch" you're referring to. Its the opposite. Men initially get torn down and get upset when they realize r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 10:44 PM
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I'm more saying it is at the cost of women rather I'm saying it's hurting the men itself because they are doing the good things for the wrong reasons. Its not the wrong reasons. We exist to procreate. None of us would exist if not for that. Is spending 100% of your time on women an issue? Sure. But that's not what the red pill is telling you to do. One following the red pill is improving their life in a number of ways and being more successful with women comes along with that. If a guy follows t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 05:59 AM
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The saying is "Enjoy the decline"; red pillers are generally instructed that they aren't going to change the world. There isn't going to be this huge political movement/pendulum swing where things are suddenly the 1950s again. The high odds a guy had of getting a career at a factory that will last 40 years and give him a pension and a wife, all while he was in his early 20s is gone forever. That doesn't mean red pillers are intentionally seeking and hastening the decline. In fact its just the op…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 05:51 AM
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1 TRP's solutions are a crutch and prevent nice guys from actually doing the hard work of growing. Isn't this describing the blue pill, not the red pill? The blue pill tells you that you are fine just the way you are, that someday someone will love you for you and that you don't have to change. Which is often extremely harmful advice. In the short term does the red pill sting? Absolutely. But as long as you're not going to the extreme of going black pill, one would take red pill truths to improv…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 05:45 AM
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If you hear "who hurt you" you instantly know you have won the argument and she's got no defense for her position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 10:11 PM
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No, the Kardashians come off to me as extremely fake to me, especially Kim and Chloe. Also just from a personality standpoint, someone who is all about getting as much attention on them as possible, causing a lot of drama and are well known because they are well known not because of actual accomplishments is a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 10:06 PM
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But he's also not just looking at female doctors and thinking that's all he has to choose from. Dating the nurse, the receptionist, etc... who also works at the hospital is just as easy. And more importantly, they are far more available for him and his busy schedule than a female doctor who is just as busy and unavailable as he is. Is the 42 year old male doctor marrying the 21 year old unemployed woman he meets at the bar? No. But is the 36 year old doctor marrying the 25 year old nurse? Not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 10:04 PM
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Is the female doctor in a better position to interact with male doctors than most of the population due to her job? Yes. But the male doctor isn't specifically looking for the female doctor. If the woman meets his looks and personality requirements, he is perfectly fine with the nurse, the receptionist, the physical therapist, the billing assistant, etc... The female doctor on the other hand only wants a male doctor or higher, such as the executive for the entire hospital.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 10:01 PM
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At the very least, I would bet that 95% of black pillers haven't put hard effort into being with a women. Their being black pilled is not really the result of their negative experiences of trying really hard and finding it didn't improve their chances. Rather, their being black pilled enables them to make excuses about how nothing they could ever do could improve their odds, and hence there is no point trying. Put in the hard work to improve your chances? Or claim you never had a shot because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 06:02 AM
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These frustrated men eventually snap and begin to stab random children in public to lash out at society gor what they cant have. Said men will be very rare. You're forgetting about all the distractions out there to keep men occupied with other things. Video games, TV, movies, social media, etc... And of course, most importantly, high quality free porn. A huge percentage of men are sexless virgins, but they're not going to go on rampages because they've replaced what a women could have brought to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 05:58 AM
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I think that much like with Only Fans, people have misconceptions on how successful women can actually be with a site like Seeking Arrangements. They take anecdotes and think that applies to everyone when in fact it only applies for a few. In the case of Only Fans, yes, there are some women out there who can make $1 million from it in 24 hours. Said women are extreme outliers, typically women who already are very well known celebrities. 99% of the women on Only Fans aren't making enough from it …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 05:54 AM
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Even those women are extreme outliers and likely in the top 1% of OF creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:51 PM
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Strongly agreed. Yes, if you were a Disney actress as a teenager for whom millions of teenage boys had crushes on, when you're in your early 20s you can make serious money on OF like Bella Thorne did. While also defrauding said customers too. You're some random woman who just graduated high school? Good luck. Odds are quite slim you'll be a success to a level where you can make it your career.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:49 PM
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These are extreme outliers, the top 1% of the 1%. Most women on Only Fans may make a couple of thousand a month tops, if not less. ETA: Someone posted a study that shows its even worse than this! Said women will have a few years of glory, but will age out and be replaced rather easily, while having the stigma of being a sex worker on their resume for the rest of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:47 PM
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Its the fault of both sides. The women doing this are being predatory, and they know that and are intentionally doing so. The majority of their income come from extremely lonely men who are almost certainly extremely socially awkward and possibly autistic. If the genders were flipped we'd be seeing the government and law enforcement going after this. At the same time, none of them would be able to do this if there weren't so many loser men willing to pay for it. I absolutely don't think the proc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:24 PM
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BMI isn't a great indicator for very muscular people like professional athletes. For 99% of society it is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:59 PM
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Very few real male feminists actually exist. Those men who claim to be male feminists for the most part act worse towards women then those on the Red Pill side of things. They play pretend thinking it will improve their chances with women, and if anything it will make it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:58 PM
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If the guy she liked was a feminist ...then she would be highly unlikely to be attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:56 PM
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My projection would be around 25% red pilled and 75% other groups, not necessarily all blue pilled, but a mixture of feminists, blue pillers, black pillers, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:55 PM
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The community has both. Guys who are legitimately in it to help other men and don't obsess over things like subs, or "Exposed" videos, etc... It also has guys who are in it for the money and/or the drama. The latter tends more to be guys who have given up their day job and have gone all in. If their Red Pill "business" doesn't provide sufficient income, they can't eat, can't pay their rent, and certainly can't go out on expensive dates. Youtube algorithms, social media, etc... will push a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:46 PM
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It absolutely is a strawman. The man who wants a virgin is not going to turn around and dismiss that virgin for not sleeping with him on the first date. What he wouldn't accept, and shouldn't accept is her making him wait while she slept with other men on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:31 PM
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A fundamental part of the dating market is that it is not fair. A woman could make you wait 6 months for sex, but sleep with another man the night she meets him. That's not fair to the guy, but he has to just accept it and move on. Likewise, a woman may no longer want to quickly have sex with men, and make any subsequent man she dates wait a long time for it. But she should have no expectation that the man will provide her commitment. If you want fairness, today's dating market is not the place …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:29 PM
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It isn't putting anyone down? Then Black Pill has a major problem with its user base as most of the content I see from Black Pillers are putting others down, whether its women, Red Pill content providers, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:12 PM
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Absolutely not. While obviously for men who are into a lot of casual sex, wanting a virgin is essentially an oxymoron, for a long term relationship/marriage, men would prefer virgins. Here's the issue with the topic. Other women have largely ruined it for those women who want to wait. If sex is what the guy is after, she is losing him to another woman, or will have to accept the fact that he's not going to be exclusive to her. If you're saying that such a woman wouldn't want that man in the firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:09 PM
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Is the Red Pill misunderstood? Generally I would say yes. The vast majority of the criticisms I see about the red pill are strawman arguments or people purposely mischaracterizing it to try and fit their feminist/misandrist side of the aisle argument. As an example, the red pill doesn't teach men to hate women. The red pill teaches men the truth about women such that they won't hate women for being these fantasies that said women could never actually live up to. That said, the red pill does have…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 03:23 AM
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If one is too stupid to realize how easy it is for people to lie and they can't accept the consequences of that (which the vast majority of the time will be no consequences, if there is no pregnancy) then said people aren't mature enough to be having sex in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 03:17 AM
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Other way around. Men's taste in women are more diverse. As an example, while most men find fat women unattractive, there are some who love it, enough for it to be a niche. Fat men have no such luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 03:07 AM
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Disagreed with the overall take here. The fact is that male thirst is far higher than female thirst. The fact is that men rate female attractiveness on a bell curve while women rate 80%+ of men as unattractive. The net result of these is that an unattractive woman has a better chance of getting a mate than an unattractive man. It is also easier for an unattractive woman to improve her physical appearance than it is for an unattractive man as typically the things making the woman unattractive are…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 02:42 AM
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Some people genuinely think that this is how it works. The reason why billionaire's often seem to "pay so little tax" is that the lower rate on capital gains as opposed to income incentivises to continue investing in their business. Its also because these societies, especially a lot of those complaining about the billionaires, are spending in a fashion to enable entities like Amazon to become monopolies and skyrocket in value so ridiculously. Jeff Bezos is so wealthy because Amazon is so success…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:59 PM
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Unfortunately the government will keep kicking it down the road. No politician wants to be known as the guy who cut social security benefits in a significant way. So they don't do it and wait for the next guy to do it. Rinse and repeat. Eventually the entire system collapses because they kept kicking the can down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:57 PM
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yet I wonder why it is that the poor in the same societies who almost without exception have even less support nevertheless have higher birthrates. Well for starters its because on a macro level, any notion that financial stability is important for having kids is overblown nonsense. Not that it may not impact individual people, but for society as a whole, its not a big factor. Wealther families, societies, etc... are more likely to raise their daughters impressing upon them the importance of an …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:56 PM
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And this is why the birth rate matter is so important. In an ideal world, a falling birthrate in a world where there are billions of humans would be no big deal. We're not going extinct. Individual countries though have structured their government entitlement programs as massive ponzi schemes and those are going to completely collapse those countries at some point if either benefits aren't drastically cut or if the population doesn't increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:52 PM
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However, there are a lot of people for whom financial anxiety is the only reason they don't have kids or don't have more kids. I don't argue this is a factor for some people, but I think its massively overblown. Wealthier people tend to have fewer kids. Poorer people tend to have more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:46 PM
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It is a catch 22 in a sense; if the government banned women from the work force, education, such as in radical religious fundamental societies like the Taliban-run Afghanistan, you would see birth massively increase. Of course it would also reduce the amount of workers greatly, meaning less people paying taxes, etc... and the government may have to do the thing it absolutely should do, but will never do, actually cut spending. Although we are seeing birth rates collapse so massively, that the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:45 PM
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The concept of people not having kids because of financial reasons I think is massively overblown. I'm not denying that it is a factor for some individual people. But I would bet that if you did a study of the economic standing of those who have kids, you would find that more poor people have kids than rich people do. As such, when you see these things such as government programs providing more money, better leave programs, etc... for women to have kids, the birth rate still doesn't increase. Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:38 PM
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It absolutely exists, but I do feel that the black pillers, incels are really going overboard with it. It's not 95/5 in real life. That's just absurdity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 03:35 AM
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It depends on the medium. On Tinder? That doesn't surprise me. But you have to consider more than just those numbers. You also have to consider the fact that men exponentially outnumber women on Tinder. Also that Tinder is for casual sex, and in the casual sex market place, yes, the most attractive men are going to clean up while average to below average men are not. Its more reasonable in real life and when you're focusing on something more than simply casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 03:33 AM
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Seems to me that this is taking the opinion of those who are heavy on the feminist/left wing side of things, as well as those who don't want children and applying it to everyone instead of having any consideration for people who think differently. Which is a whole lot of people. Child raising is important, certainly more important than being a faceless wage slave for a corporation that could care less about you and dump you without a second's thought when they have to layoff people to meet certa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 03:29 AM
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You've built yourself quite the strawman. You also have a fundamental misunderstanding that being alone, having no relationship, having no kids, etc... will make one happy. Especially for women. Instead of throwing out strawman arguments I'd suggest spending more time learning about how all human beings aren't a mindless, emotionless monolith that have no interest in continuing on the species.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 09:46 PM
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And hmm I wonder why so many men think 30 is the cut off age when women (people in general) don’t fully develop their frontal lobe (aids in DECISION MAKING) until 25. Kind of manipulative if you ask me. Very convenient to want a young, underdeveloped, confused, susceptible woman as a partner. So I've got to assume, that you had this same mentality when you were under 25, rather than say considering yourself a "strong and independent" woman? Explain to me your efforts on taking away the right to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 09:43 PM
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Yes. Of course this is the case regardless of what gender you are. When the man or woman you are desiring says something like "I'm not looking for a relationship right now", they are leaving out the "with you" at the end. They will very happily get into that relationship with someone who they desire more. If you want a fictional example watch the movie 500 Days of Summer. A movie I absolutely hated when I first saw it, back in my blue pill days, because I didn't understand this concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:43 PM
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This is a key point. Those Red Pill men who try to oversimplify it can mistakenly leave this part out. Those who are trying to create a strawman purposely leave it out. The men who see their SMV go up in their 30s and have a lot of success are those who were working hard on themselves throughout their 20s. A man doesn't automatically find success just because he's older. The basement dwelling loser who plays video games all day is just as much a loser in his 30s as he was in his 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:37 PM
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The thing is that average women at young age (19-26) receive a lot of attention in the sexual market while men at the same age are ignored because they don't have their shit together. These average men once they reach the age of 30 and above, they start receiving a harem of women attention from women seeking for commitment The overall point I agree with, but I would disagree with the notion that average men receive a "harem of women attention". I think it really goes in three direction depending…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:35 PM
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Red Pill men aren't obsessed with aging. If anything, its the opposite, women are. All these threads complaining and whining about age gap relationships are started by women. Women panic more over their age and its impact on their love life as they get older than men do, especially red pill men, who know that getting older as a man isn't the end of the world as long as you're continuously working on improving yourself. There are some men who laugh at women about hitting the wall, comment a lot a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:21 PM
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A great many men are. The issue is they tend to be in the bottom 80% of men whom most women don't treat as human in the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:33 AM
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Ah, the white knight virtue signaler popping his head in.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:32 AM
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The idea that men are not dating her because she's successful/rich/independent, and they feel insecure with her. Massive levels of cope, this one. I don't know any monogamous single man who would reject a woman who is decent, attractive and kind, with the reason of "She's too independent for me". Ooh, this is a great one. Typically the issue in this circumstance is not that she's intimidating men, but rather her standards are set so incredibly high that she is rejecting practically everyone and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:30 AM
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It's a debate sub, and people on both sides of the argument tend to be coming out of massive echo chambers for their respective sides, with this being one of the few places where it isn't an echo chamber. You're not gonna find much of a kumbaya mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:27 AM
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I agree that women consider both looks and personality. I think where the blue pill lays is that women significantly downplay how important looks are in the equation. It's not that it is 100% looks and that personality is irrelevant. But when a woman says she loves a guy's personality, the fact is that comes with the fact that she already rejected numerous men whose personality was just as good, if not better, solely based on their looks. Sure, if two guys are equal in looks, or really close, sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:25 AM
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Here's the issue with Tomi Lahren. Her standards are over the top through the roof and she's putting too much emphasis on things that don't matter as much. Because of her fame, income and looks, she's only looking for the most upper tier men imaginable, types like professional athletes, etc... There are a very, very small amount of men who would satisfy her, and they have their pick of many more women then her. In particular younger women who have less abrasive personalities. I think Tomi Lahren…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:19 AM
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I agree that many women are doing this not to attract a man, but are doing it for themselves. I think where the blue pill thinking comes into play is when these women think that because they have dominated in their professional career, that their equal in the sexual market place is a man who has had the same professional success. It isn't. The type of men such a woman is likely aiming for will tend to be those men that practically all women are aiming for, meaning he has tons of choices and is g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:15 AM
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.they prefer a woman who earns $25k vs a woman who earns $75k and all of them have said they'd prefer the higher earning woman. If the women look the same and are of the same age? Sure. I think any man will take the woman earning more money. The mistake that is made is thinking that a man will pick the unattractive woman making $75,000 a year over the attractive woman making $25,000 a year if he has the ability to choose either of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:12 AM
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A few notable ones I can think of: Women fail to realize that in the sexual marketplace, their life is on easy mode in comparison to men of the same age from the time they are teenagers until at least their mid-30s, if not longer. Regardless of whatever complaint a woman has about the SMP, the fact is that outside of some very top tier men, she has it far better than men have it. Whether its matches on dating apps, access to sex, the attractiveness level of potential suitors, etc... Women often …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 12:08 AM
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For what I'd consider a real MGTOW, I wouldn't consider it cowardice. What I'd consider to be a real MGTOW would be a guy who has had a lot of experience with women (including possibly being married), could be with women if he wanted to, but has decided that he prefers the bachelor life and the freedom he gets from it. The vast majority of those who call themselves MGTOW aren't that. They are MSTOW, Men Sent Their Own Way. Largely made up of incels who don't actually have experience with women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 10:06 PM
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Most men under 30 are absolutely attractive / manly enough for most women. It would be more accurate to say most top 20% men under 30 are absolutely attractive/manly enough for most women. The other 80% are largely invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:59 AM
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When a woman hits 25 it's like falling off a cliff, her youth is over, and her exuberance of youth is gone no matter how good she looks. All you are doing with statements like this are adding fuel to those who claim the wall doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:57 AM
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So I can say from personal experience that I used to be a guy, when I was in my 20s, who felt that if I wasn't either married, or at least with a serious long term girlfriend by the time I was 30, I had failed in life and was doomed to never have one. That was idiocy. I have had far more success in my 30s than in my 20s. A lot of men struggle with romance when they are in their 20s and I certainly was one of them. One has to get out of their blue pilled thinking. If a guy works on himself throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:52 AM
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Both are pretty much unsolvable (only somewhere around 5 % of obese women lose weight later). Being obese absolutely is solvable. She can fix her diet and do more exercise. If she is disciplined enough, she will eventually no longer be obese. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:08 PM
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Well the question I would ask then is, when you were 18, did you voluntarily give up your right to vote, your right to get a credit card, your right to make decisions on things without your parent's permission, etc...? Because if we're treating an 18 year old like a child because she happens to be dating a man 8-9 years older, then we also have to treat her like a child on everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 10:34 PM
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Indeed. Women absolutely love all the benefits and attention that they inherently get from around 18 - 30 or so. They never think during those years that the fact they get so much attention from men during those years is counteracted by the fact that their older peers are getting much less attention. And once they've aged enough, they will be getting that much less attention themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 10:32 PM
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Well first off, if women are frustrated with young men not wanting committment, then dating older is the only option. These women have to either accept the dating market the way it is, or expand what they are looking for into something else. When women are only attracted to the top 20% of men and are providing those men the vast majority of sexual access, there is no reason for those upper tier men to commit. The woman has to accept either that she's not getting committment, or seek someone else…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 10:25 PM
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Men aren't being oppressed by women, and neither are women being oppressed by men in modern times (Well, at least in the west. Obviously women are being oppressed in places like the Taliban-run Afghanistan). The better way to look at it would be to look at how feminism espouses for equality, when the fact is that women in the west have more than exceeded that, they have numerous advantages over men that they don't want to admit. There is no purpose in modern feminism in the west if its about equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 10:04 PM
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and 2 because not every woman finds that attractive. It's 99% the first point and 1% the second point. Pretty much every woman would choose a 6 foot 5 muscular multimillionaire if they could. They know that said men are less than .0001% of society and they'd be fools to not settle. Women loving a good dad bod is a blue pilled lie. They settle for a good dad bod.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:59 PM
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The cat is out of the bag so to say. The only way its going back to the way it used to be would be for a massive regression of society. For there to be some sort of war or natural disaster that yanked away all the luxuries and privileges the west has now which caused it to become this way. A society where social media no longer exists, where high quality internet porn no longer exists, where simping no longer exists. A society where young men are forced into war or servitude and a large portion …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:55 PM
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I must be taking crazy pills because for the better portion of this period you mentioned men having mistresses was the norm Ah, the usual apex falacy. Because super elite men had mistresses, that must mean all men did. When in reality this was a luxury for the top 5-10% of men and every other woman had a husband loyal to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:41 PM
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Should society be honest to men? Absolutely. So we're essentially making red pill truths public knowledge now. I'd totally be for it. We also should do the same for women. Women have a blue pill just like men do. I'd be totally fine if we just got realities of the sexual market place out in the open for all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:35 PM
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I think men would totally be fine with birth control if they had the wide array of options available to women. Right now they can get a vasectomy (painful medical procedure that is hopefully reversable, but no 100% guarantee), and I believe there has been attempts (not sure if its purchasable) via reducing testosterone, which does have a major adverse affect. There are also of course condoms. Which the red pill strongly encourages (the thought process is never solely rely on the woman's birth co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:25 PM
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I think most members of the manosphere would hate this law in the first place. Red pillers tend to not be pro-life. Think about it, if your goal is to have a lot of casual sex, you don't want to be locked down to one woman via a pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 09:01 PM
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Financial abortion isn't going to be passed though, even in a red state. Gotta keep in mind that even trad-cons tend to be very against men on matters such as this. The thought process from the fiscal conservative side of things will be that it is better for the guy who had sex and impregnanted the woman to pay for the kid rather than the taxpayers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 09:00 PM
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Not really sure on that matter; it wouldn't surprise me if one reasoning behind this law is to drive out people who are very far left from the state. Texas conservatives should rightly fear very left wing people who destroy their state with their politics (ex. California), then rather than suffer the consequences of their own action move to another state and vote for the same type of people that destroyed the state they left. One chain reaction of this law will be to drive such people out of Tex…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 08:57 PM
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I'm pretty much in the same boat, I think abortion is a horrible thing that should not be celebrated (just recently saw a photo of a lady on Twitter celebrating the fact that she had 21 abortions which is complete insanity). But at the end of the day, I think women are going to get it. If its illegal, they are going to resort to the black market. The cat is out of the bag on this matter. Of course the main argument I would make to those so upset by it is to move to another state. Even if this la…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 08:54 PM
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This law will not stop people having sex or aborting pregnancies, they'll find other ways, no matter how dangerous. Education and Contraception are much better options. This is pretty much where I come down on it; similar to my views on things like marijuana, alcohol prohibition, gambling, etc... At the end of the day, whether its legal or not, people are going to do it. The question is does the government want people doing so via the black market and unsafe means, or legal, regulated and safe m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 08:52 PM
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Having personal experience with this situation I'd say its not worth it. While things might go amazing between the two of you, odds are ultimately that things will break off between the two of you, and when that happens, if one of the two of you still has feelings for the other it is going to be hard getting over that considering how much you continue to see each other. When there's a breakup, the best thing to do to get over them is to completely cut off any access to that person. You can't do …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 09:38 PM
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would a widespread trend toward non-monogamy cause significant negative ramifications in society? Yes, we're already seeing that now. Increases in crime, increased drug use, significantly increased displeasure from people with the sexual marketplace (ex. sexless men, women who complain that men are players and won't settle down), decreases in happiness and massive drops in birth rates are all consequences of our society's trend towards non-monogamy. Do you believe either monogamy or non-monogamy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 07:53 PM
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Well, when you're in high school (under 18) you are in a controlled environment to a certain extent because you are underage (at least in places where age of consent laws are 18+). If you're 16, you're dating someone else who is almost certainly in the range of 15 - 17 or so, and that is almost certainly someone who goes to the same high school as you because you're also going there every day, run in teh same social circles, etc... If you are a woman, or a top 20% guy, once you're 18, but especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 07:13 PM
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but it's clearly women here who are being "punished" for their sins and never men Complete and utter bullshit. When the man wants the baby and the woman doesn't, she aborts it, he is getting punished. When the man doesn't want the baby and the woman does, and forces him into 18 years of child support, he is getting punished. The man gets no say, that is absolutely punishment. And if you want to shift it off of abortion there's a hell of a lot of other places where men are getting punished. Far h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 06:13 PM
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Its not the awkwardness; in most situations when there is a breakup, its not mutual, one party wants to stay together. You get over it by cutting off contact with the other person. When you are coworkers you can't do that. You continue to see the person all the time and if you're the one who wanted to stay together, the feelings are still there. And you can't get away from them until one of you leaves the company.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 06:09 PM
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Who is the gender trying to have as much sex as possible? Men. And the men doing this, the men having casual sex, are pro abortion. They don't want the baby any more than the woman does. This isn't really a gender issue. In fact I'd argue its not really a Democrat vs. Republican issue. Its a religious vs. non-religious issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 05:07 PM
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The people pushing abortion laws like that are religious people who are very pro-abstinence. So reducing the amount of sex is exactly what they want. The guys these women who are threatening such a sex strike against are highly likely to be either men who they're in a marriage/LTR with who already have the same opinion on them on abortion, or guys who they are having casual sex with who also have the same opinion as them on abortion. A guy having sex with a bunch of women doesn't want them getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 05:03 PM
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Such proposals are idiocy. If you feel that way and you're married/in a long term commitment, your husband/boyfriend almost certainly agrees with you on abortion, so you're punishing him for no reason and showing that you don't actually love him since you're withholding sex for something he has nothing to do with. If you're in the casual sex marketplace and withholding sex, odds are very high that the guy you're with also has the same feelings on abortion as you. Guys having lots of casual sex a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 05:00 PM
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Well, I can say from experience as one who had a massive crush on a coworker and eventually had the opportunity to date her that its best to completely avoid. Having to continue to interact with her after it became clear that nothing was going to happen between us was very difficult. Not because there was any conflict between us, but simply because I had really strong feelings for her and it wasn't going to go anywhere. Luckily for me she left the company about a year or so later and I haven't i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 04:56 PM
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The Black Pillers who claim that they are doomed because they are only 5'8, or better yet, those who claim that because their jaw isn't at a particular angle, they are doomed and will never be viewed as attractive. Just like with fat women who claim its something beyond their diet and lack of exercise, these men are too lazy to put in actual effort and just want to make excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 04:53 PM
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Unless the matchmaking service/their attorney are idiots, there is surely language in the agreement that says she is paying for the service to find her candidates to date based on her specified criteria and that they have no guarantee that she will find a husband, or even get into a relationship with the match. Heck, they probably told her that and she ignored it. Going to a matchmaker saves you time in sourcing dates. It doesn't guarantee you anything beyond that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/09/21 09:42 PM
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Exactly. The expectation one paying a matchmaking service shouldn't be that they are going to instantly find a husband/wife or even a long term relationship. It should be that they will be saving time sourcing dates. That's what the client is paying for. Odds are quite high that the service could have found her more candidates if she simply lowered her standards.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/09/21 09:40 PM
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$5,000 absolutely is crazy for a match with one person. There is a possibility this lady was massively scammed. But I think its more likely that her standards are so high, and so few men are actually interested in someone like her, that the guy they matched her with was the best they could do.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/09/21 09:36 PM
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People typically would pay for a matchmaking service because of the time savings; yes, if a guy is Giga Chad and is getting 50 Tinder dates a day or rolls out of bed and had 5 girls on the way to work hit him up, he's not going to use such a service. But there are men and women out there who are reasonably attractive, and quality people from a personality standpoint, just not in that top 10-15% who may pay for such a service because spending that money is a better usage of their time than as the…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/09/21 09:34 PM
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I can say as someone who has past experience being a client of a matchmaking company, this woman has a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works. A matchmaking company isn't guaranteeing you a spouse or even a long term relationship. You pay a matchmaking company for certain conveniences, namely instead of spending a lot of time at bars, asking 20 women out and getting rejected by 19 of them, or spending money on dating apps, or spending a ton of time on dating apps having a match rate of 1% …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/09/21 07:41 PM
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Did you even read my comment? There are men out there who are attracted to fat women, and those are the ones who are subscribing to fat women on OnlyFans. But as a percentage of all men, its not that high. If that were true, the biggest earners on OnlyFans and in porn would be fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:25 AM
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The percentage of men who secretly like fat women, but don't pursue them publicly because they don't want to be shamed I would bet is under 1%. Think of it this way; if men secretly loved fat women as much as they loved thin women, fat women would be plentiful among the top OnlyFans girls and be among the biggest porn stars. Is that the case? No. Fat women have an audience but it is a much smaller percentage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:09 AM
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That's not fat women's fault. And aside from black pillers who blame everything on women, men who have to resort to fat women due to lack of options aren't blaming those women. If you use a human being because you are desperate while also being obsessed w mocking them that's kinda like low key inhumane and evil. I think you'll generally find that men who have to lower their standards and get with a fat woman are not mocking her and are not obsessed with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:04 AM
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This post sounds like a massive cope to me. Instead of doing the work to lose weight and make yourself thin and more attractive to men, you want to believe that most men are secretly attracted to fat women. Nope. The vast, vast majority of men are not attracted to fat women. There are a small percentage of men who are, enough for it to be a fetish. And this percentage of men who are attracted to fat women is considerably higher than the percentage of women who are attracted to fat men. You will …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:00 AM
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It seems to me that you have no idea what the red pill is. most red pillers are living a blue pill lie of victimhood, That's Black Pillers and incels, not red pillers false assumptions about women, That's the blue pill. Red pillers look how women actually behave rather than simply accepting what they say false expectations about sex etc. Again, that's the blue pill. Blue pillers expect it will be a nice fairy tail, you get with a girl, have lots of sex and all will be happy with little to no eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 04:59 PM
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Its reasons like this why I always find most MGTOWs, Black Pillers, etc... pathetic. Yes, woman's standards are higher than ever. But the average male is also lower than ever. Getting yourself into the top 20% is way easier than it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 10:28 PM
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That is only the case for men who have spent their younger years building themselves up and have kept themselves attractive. Such men will see their value increase as they are in their 30s, compared to where they are in their 20s. The overweight guy who spends 6 hours a day playing video games and lives in his mother's basement is just as unattractive at 35 as he was at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 09:08 PM
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They're not illogical or hypocritical. Men and women desire different things. A female virgin is highly valued. A male virgin is completely worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 08:50 PM
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I'm a dumb male virgin who thought there was virtue in male virginity but I'm realizing it to be the biggest sham these days. Absent being a highly religious individual who gets with a female who is also highly religious, being a male virgin has no value whatsoever and if anything will get that person constantly insulted, attacked and banned from various communities and parts of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 08:47 PM
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The bad views on women more come from the black pill/MGTOW/incel side of things. The red pill is wiping away blue pilled male's delusions over women and teaching them to not hate women for things they can never be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 08:32 PM
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You need to familiarize yourself more with the red pill then. Women below 25 with low body counts certainly are viewed as having higher value, but that doesn't mean all other women have no value.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 08:30 PM
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I think the argument would be (and I'm just making assumptions here from debates I've read or listened to in the past, not drawing this from an actual study) that thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years ago as humanity evolved, the way things typically worked is that the powerful alpha males would have sex with many of the women and enslave or kill most of the other men. Things like war and plagues also helped with this, greatly reducing the male population so fewer men had …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 08:28 PM
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I think promiscuity is an issue for both genders; it is rather delusional to think that a man who has slept with 100 women is suddenly going to settle down with one, especially as she gets older. Promiscuous men will have an easier time finding someone than a promiscious women because the different way we view it among men and women. A woman with few to no sexual partners is highly valued by men. A man with few to no sexual partners is insulted and shunned by women and people push to ban him fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 08:25 PM
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I think you should stop taking an authoritarian stance and trying to legislate people's relationships. If they're both of legal age, it really is none of your business. Anyway, the solution is, as with many things for men these days, is to keep pursuing younger women, but refuse to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 09:43 PM
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Then I assume you are proposing that people under 25 should have their voting rights taken away, their rights to get a loan taken away, their right to drink alcohol taken away, etc...?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 09:37 PM
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Its both the guy and the girl reacting the the situation they are in with respect to the SMP. The younger guy is having no success with women his own age at the peak of their SMV, who are pursuing only Chad, or older more established guys. The older woman is having no success with men her own age, or I should say the men she desires of her own age (80% of men are still invisible to her). So they get together and both benefit. The women gets a younger guy, the guy gets to have a casual relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 09:34 PM
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I've been familiar with Myron since he was a little known guy in the community focusing largely on fitness. Kudos to him and Fresh for building their brand as big as they have. Their channel has completely exploded in growth. Why? Because they have determined a format that is more likely to get people to pay attention by bringing in the girls, and typically ones that are likely to have arguments with them. There is a certain amount of confirmation bias. The type of girls they are bringing on are…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:26 PM
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MGTOWs aren't going to cause a big problem for society because MGTOWs are mostly the type of men who were getting ignored by women in the first place. That man who women ignore who declares he is going his own way isn't going to get women to go "Oh no, I'm sorry, please come back and I'll date you!". She would have no reaction because she never viewed that man as human in the first place. In fact most of these man aren't MGTOWs. They are MSTOWs. Men Sent Their Own Way. The other main contingent …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 10:56 PM
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Very few 20 year old Gen Z women think someone like The Rock is attractive, their moms and grandma's do. They are attracted to someone with similar physical features to the Rock, just someone closer to their age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 10:46 PM
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Correct. To her friends or family a woman doesn't want to look shallow, so she hides her true feelings. When she's on the dating app, no need to worry about looking shallow towards her family or friends, you see what she is really aroused by.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 10:40 PM
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On the contrary, a dating app shows a woman's true feelings, without her faking things due to social conventions. You want what a woman is truly aroused by? Look at what she does on a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 10:39 PM
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Or were disgussing how Miranda Kerr, a single divorced mother on her thirties, managed to marry a hot billionaire in his twenties. Dunno, this seems to be a bit of a strawman to me. Even in her thirties, Miranda Kerr was a Victoria Secret model in the top 0.0001% in terms of looks. Her marrying a wealthy man was no surprise whatsoever. And the guy she married wasn't a hot alpha, he was a beta. Prince Harry is more of a lesson to take, rather than something to be upset about. That you're not alph…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 10:37 PM
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You don't need to look like Arnold Schwartzenegger as a guy to be in that category that most women desire, but do you need to have the body equivalent to a swimmer or soccer player? Yes. Which still requires a lot of hard work and working out. Edit: further confirmation to this theory, all the women agreeing with me while the men disagree. Well, any Red Pilled Man would say you don't follow what women say. You follow their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 10:31 PM
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Overall I agree with the statements you're making. So the question then is what do men do about it. I think the biggest thing is first men coming to that understanding. There's enough blue pilled men out there, or men being lied to that don't think this is the case when it in fact is. Men should take the stance that they will not commit to women unless they think that woman has genuine desire for them. Even if they're not necessarily the hottest guy she has ever been with, if she has genuine des…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 10:14 PM
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Beyond just the experience map there seems to be this total lack of recognition of the actual power dynamic in age gap relationships. A lot of claims are made that a 20 something year old woman dating an older man is being manipulated by an older man with a power dynamic over her. But in the sexual marketplace, no one has more power than the 20 something year old woman. Yes, if we're talking about complex business strategy that man probably has power over her. In the sexual market place she tota…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:10 PM
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The status and legal protections one gets, such as easier/better access in medical situations, and of course the future ability to divorce and take the massive benefits that come with that when you are a woman. And their children will be better off by having two married parents raising them instead of being raised in a single mother household. Big picture though, the way people view marriage these days as something easily exitable and not being a duty, there is less and less of a purpose for it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:59 PM
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As has often been said, men don't red pill men. Women red pill men. They are so over the top open about it these days that you wonder why more men aren't red pilled.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/06/21 04:37 PM
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It is possible he is; if he hasn't had sex with this woman for two years then there is a good possibility he's getting it elsewhere. Has a FWB just like she does. Or he's a low value man; if he's settling for having no sex with a woman for 2 years and is okay with that, he's not the caliber of man who can get a woman 10+ years younger than him.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/06/21 04:34 PM
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Hilarious that people are still trying to make the claim that women are less shallow when it comes to looks. Women are far harsher on men's looks than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 05:03 PM
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Seems to me to be similar to what US soccer fans have been arguing for decades now. "Soccer is big among kids and teenagers! It will overtake the NFL, MLB and NBA in 10-15 years!". Then it never happens. Because they get older and move on in most cases. That teenage girls find boy band types attractive doesn't change the fact that they will get over that infatuation with them when they get older. TRP usually states that all women find masculine older men attractive, which really doesn’t explain …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 04:57 PM
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No issue whatsoever with dating a younger woman; as a Millenial I wouldn't go for an older generation, although that's due to their age, not generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 04:55 PM
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People wildly overestimate the economic impact of having kids, or the whole notion that "its too expensive". I won't deny that is a factor, but other factors are far more important. Women are focusing far more on their education and careers in their prime child bearing years Feminism has overtaken our culture and significantly shames mothers, especially stay at home mothers Social media and online dating have wreaked havoc on the dating market to a level where many women overestimate their worth…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:04 PM
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I don't have the link handy, but my understanding is that the most miserable part of society in the US is women who are 40+ who are unmarried and have no kids. That this segment of society has the highest anti-depression medication use, etc... Maybe a 22 year old single childless woman is happy, she's in the most privileged group possible at that time of her life. She's not going to feel that way later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:01 PM
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the real problem are very rich people who essentially emit and pollute at least 25x more carbon than their poorer counterparts (the average corporate executive who flies on business jets multiple times a year causes more pollution in one year than decades of other people's lifetime). Ultimately the number of people that do this are far exceeded by the number of people in developing countries though. Yes, the Hollywood celebrity hypocrite or Al Gore type who goes on about saving the environment t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 04:53 PM
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It's a good thing that people are having fewer children, and at later ages. This is great for society and the environment. Its not great for society when the economy and government entitlement programs are set up to be dependent on an ever increasing population. When things are set up that way, which they are currently, then it will cause disaster. As for the environment, well I always say that the upper class woke liberal couple in the US who happily proclaims they are saving the environment by…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 04:50 PM
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Don't blame men for what feminists wanted, but are now upset at the consequences for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 04:43 PM
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As the boomers die off, their wealth will be inherited by the younger generations. As the younger generations acquire more money, through inheritances and through improving their own career prospects, and age, you will see them shift heavily to the right, at least fiscally. It's quite easy to demand the government seize other people's money. When its your money you suddenly change your tune. Then the younger generations will have the exact same complaints about them that were made about the boom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 04:34 PM
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As with many things when it comes to the sexual market place, its neither extreme, its a combination of both. Men's natural sexual strategy is to "spread their seed", to have sex with as many women as possible. Pornography fulfills the aspect of a man's sexual strategy regarding the desire for variety. At least in terms of getting him aroused. A man who doesn't have access to porn is still going to naturally, to a certain extent desire sexual variety. The issue with the wide availabiilty of free…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 04:27 PM
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Women's equivalent of being a beta orbiter is being in the "fuck zone". She has sexual access to a high value alpha but he refuses to be in a committed relationship with her and she hopes she can change his mind or "fix" him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 11:46 PM
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It has nothing to do with a guy wanting validation. A guy becomes a beta orbiter because he has a scarcity mentality. He pinpoints his focus on a particular woman, tries to get sexual access to her and gets rejected, although not in an overt enough fashion to get him to focus on other women. He either gets the "Let's Just Be Friends" rejection or misreads her rejection of him and still thinks he has a shot. He has hyped up this woman in his mind (almost certainly more so than she could ever actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 11:42 PM
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The real red pill is that content creators understand their audience very well and their goal is to sell ads and other products to as many consumers as possible. As long as their viewers are hooked and coming back there is no incentive for them to create helpful content. Its funny, you could say there is a red pill to the red pill, and that is realizing that many of the big content creators out there have as their #1 goal making money, not helping people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:57 PM
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These content creators probably start off wanting to help others. While I do think there are some who start off like this and some who are genuine about it (ex. Rollo Tomassi) I think there are actually a ton of content creators out there who are into it not to help people at all, but to get viewers. Especially so in the MGTOW/Black Pill space. Some random guy realizes that being a Black Pill doomer who does endless streams bashing women to death will get them a lot of view counts, and they set …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:56 PM
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Something you have to keep in mind about a lot of these content creators is that their purpose isn't to actually help people, its to gain a large following for themselves. This is especially the case for those who refuse to show their face, which tend to be not so much Red Pillers, but Black Pillers and MGTOWs. They often resort to what I've heard called as "Red Meat", content that is highly entertaining but provides little actual meaningful value for someone who knows anything beyond the basics…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:52 PM
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This is an easy one to dispute. The women are the one picking the men. If all women refused to date men that are more than 1-2 years older than them, then yes, the twenty something men would have more opportunities ot me with twenty something women. But that's not the way women operate. A man taking this stance should be blaming women not older men. The other thing I'll say is its an unregulated sexual market place out there. Red pilled men know that you have to earn your success in the SMP. 30+…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 04:29 PM
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I wouldn't characterize it as younger women being predators, in the case of age gap relationships the majority of the time there is no predator at all. Both parties are offering something of value that the others wants and as such its an equitable exchange. For the woman, its her youth, beauty and fertility. For the man, its typically status, power and money. Older women and blue pillers like to shame older men - younger women relationships here, but the fact is that younger woman has a tremendo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 04:21 PM
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Since this is CMV, I'll focus on the portion I disagree with. Now whilst I sympathise hugely for the perfectly good men who unfortunately are going to miss out because they just haven't been blessed with attractiveness, This type of language is taking the responsibility off of men and treating it akin to a lottery where a guy who gets lucky and has good genetics gets to do successful in the SMP and everyone else is out of luck. Success in the dating realm for men comes down to two key factors, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 05:03 PM
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There aren't unrealistic beauty standards for women. More than 50% of women are overweight. Yet men rate women's attractiveness on a bell curve, with 50% above average and 50% below average. On the contrary, the unrealistic beauty standards are those that women have for men. Studies generally show that women view 80% of men as below average in terms of looks. I saw a study once where the amount of men rated above average in looks was literally 0%.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:27 PM
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The weight is the good comparison here, because height matters for what women are attracted to, not men. But most men certainly care about weight. A woman is demanding a 6 foot 3 man. Great. Is she size two or below? If not then she's making a demand out of her league.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:18 PM
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The major complaints and whining about this tend to more come from Black Pillers than Red Pillers. The Red Piller will say that a woman wanting a man 6 feet plus is what she desires, and if you aren't 6 feet plus yourself, you need to work on those things that are under your control, such as lifting more, improving your game, making more money, etc... And that if you desire her, you should pursue her regardless, because you should be following a woman's actions not what she says. And that for ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:16 PM
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You have to keep in mind that how attractive you are is not a literal scientific fact. It is determined by how attractive those of the opposite sex would consider you to be. Women decide how attractive men are. And men decide how attractive women are. I would hence disagree with any notion that says that the average woman is more attractive than the average man. That is not a scientific fact. But I would totally agree with the notion that a woman considers the average man less attractive than a …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:04 PM
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You need to learn to differentiate between red pilled men and whiny women hating incels/black pillers. Also you need to learn that most of the time when men say something like "enjoy your cats" or "enjoy your dried up eggs" it is a meme or a joke and not meant to be viewed as literal truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:53 PM
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They literally are not done with brain development. They are a step above toddler level. Alright, let's take this as a fact. Show me where you have been pushing for women between the age of 18 - 25 to lose their voting privileges, be denied access to alcohol (21 - 25), lose their ability to get a loan, lose their ability to get an abortion without their parent's consent, etc... Funny how women are "strong and independent" the moment they turn 18 when it fits one argument, but when they become st…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:52 PM
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Women can marry HVM in their 30s that is high earning men if they so desire. Sure they can. But you're missing a big part of the equation. You are equating a high value man to just being a man who makes a good amount of money. The vast majority of the women who get married in their 30s to such a man are marrying a beta, a guy who makes good money but isn't as physically attractive as she wants and doesn't have the alpha personality that she is more attracted to. And these types of relationships …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:49 PM
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Women will always have more options than men of the same age. The problem is the woman won't be satisfied with the vast majority of those options, as women tend to view 80% of men as not even average in terms of looks. And the options from those upper tier men she truly desires will shrink more and more as she gets into her 30s and above.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:41 PM
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The more time I spend at this sub, the more I realize that only a fraction, maybe 10% even know the actual red pill opinions in the first place. We're getting to the point where the majority of the posts seem to be built on strawman arguments, or are more arguing at whiny, women hating black pillers/incels rather than red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:33 PM
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And a lot of those men who enjoy dating those younger women don't want to marry them in the first place. The marks of success for men and women are different. For men, the accomplishment is getting to date/sleep with those younger men. For women its getting the high value man to commit to/marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:31 PM
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You don't understand what options are. They are just that, options. Meaning the person can turn it down. A 30 year old woman still has tons of options, and certainly more than an equivalent man of the same age. But she has less options than what she had when she was 20, especially among the top tier men that she genuinely desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:28 PM
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I am challenging this idea that women in their 30s have less options for LTRs/marriages than men do in there 30s that is a joke and half. You're not challenging anything because that is not the red pill argument in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:26 PM
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There seems to be a sentiment that women who are in their 30s do not have many options when it comes to dating. From who? Whiny MGTOWs/Black Pillers? This is largely a strawman argument But by RP rhetoric you would think the fact that she doesn’t have kids and is pushing 40 that she would actually be interested in the high earning 43-year-old man but she isn’t because he’s not attractive to her. This line shows to me that you don't understand the Red Pill at all. This is what the Red Pill says o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:18 PM
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There absolutely are a lot of men who will get into a relationship without even attaining the 2 things I included on the list. Yep, the thirst is that real.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:42 PM
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If you got together while you were young, and you both put in the effort to keeping a loving relationship going, then as the woman, you don't really have anything to worry about. It is very rare for men to end the relationship, the vast majority of the time the woman does so. There's a concept referred to as "wife goggles" which generally means that a man still loves and is attracted to his wife even though her looks have depreciated because of the fact that they were together when she was young…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:39 PM
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First off, women can be hot up to 40 or even 50, the wall concept is misunderstood by RPs as in reality it's just fertility decline not physical attractiveness decline, at least not much. You're misunderstanding the wall. Can a small number of 40-50 something year old women be attractive? Sure! But they're not able to compete with the 20 year olds for the top tier men they want. A woman doesn't become undateable when she hits the wall. Anyone who says so doesn't know what the wall is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:30 PM
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It's WOMEN who are jumping ship, not men. Mad Men is not reality. Not all men are Don Draper. 98% of men are not Don Draper. Very, very, VERY few men left their wives for their secretaries, even when men could actually do that. You think men can do that now? A man does that now, he's living out of his car for a year and eating dog food and wiping his ass with public restroom paper towels. Agree with the overall point, but minor correction specific to Mad Men, Don didn't leave his wife for his se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:27 PM
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This is a hallmark of the "don't listen to what a woman says, pay attention to what she does" saying. The same woman who says she wants her man to be open with her, show emotion, be unafraid to cry, etc... dumps him once he does those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 10:41 PM
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For me she was always up there, although she probably started getting more press, enough to get that FHM accolade because it took the show a few years to become really popular. It was in the Friday night death slot its first 3 years after all. :P I do fondly remember that episode.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 10:34 PM
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For most men being reasonably attractive means don't be fat and don't come off as too masculine. Based on how men assess women's appearance on dating apps, this would probably come out to roughly 50% of women, at least for 40 or younger. Being pleasant means don't be someone who is extremely aggressive all the time, constantly arguing, always trying to one up everyone or acting like anyone who doesn't agree with all your opinions is the equivalent of Satan.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:03 PM
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Gillian Anderson when they finally started doing her makeup and hair right in the X Files (she’s still stunning now) For me Anderson was stunning from day one on the X-Files, one of my biggest crushes when I was a kid. I lost my attraction for her years ago, but still love her as an actress, such as on Hannibal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:57 PM
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Not disrespectful to consider her attractive, she is. Although she's one of those instances for me where I'd stay far, far away based on personality. LoL @ any notion that she is uncorrupted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:56 PM
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I pay minimal attention to celebrity culture/pop culture these days, barely even watching any live action movies/TV anymore. Historically the most attractive actresses to me included Anna Kendrick, Lily Collins, Natalie Portman, Gillian Anderson, Caroline Dhavernas, Isla Fisher, Evangeline Lilly, Ashley Greene and Emilia Clarke. For models, Barbara Palvin, Emily Didonato, Kemp Muhl, Miranda Kerr, Adrianna Lima and Bianca Balti. Some of them (ex. Portman, Anderson) have kinda "aged out" in my eye…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:53 PM
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She listed 29 conditions to be in a relationship with her. Now maybe she doesn't make all 29 mandatory, but she will make most. That is absurdity. For most men, the list would be: Be at least reasonably attractive Be pleasant That's it. An easy example of women's unreasonable standards. And this is even before the fact that if we were to look at what she viewed as physically attractive, she would probably rate 80% if not more of men as unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:33 PM
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The fat acceptance movement/body positivity movement is just so those women can be left alone without being harassed. No one is forcing you to date them. That's more of the original intention; now the movement largely focuses on trying to force men to find fat unattractive women good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:45 PM
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Those women are still going after above average top tier men. Because most men are invisible to them, they think top tier men that are in the lower part of the top tier are average when they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:43 PM
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And yet there is an endless stream of beautiful women with a BMI of 20 or below talking on tiktok about how poorly men have treated them Its typical apex falacy. 80-90% of men are invisible to these women. They only go after the top 10-20%. 100% of women go after that top 10-20% of men. Hence those men have unlimited options and never have to settle for any one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:40 PM
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No, not really, because for men its not just don't be fat, you need to have some muscle and height too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:36 PM
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I would argue the opposite; you can very easily skyrocket your SMV, especially if you are a woman, by not being fat. For a guy you still need to put more work in to build muscle as women generally won't find skinny guys attractive either. But when 70% of the populace is overweight, simply being fit gets you in that top 30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:34 PM
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There is a percentage of men that find fat women attractive, aren't visually repulsed by them, or are totally fine with settling for them. I think when you account for that, plus that top 30% of women that are attractive, you pretty much settle on that bell curve average where men find around 50% of women above average looks wise and around 50% of women below average looks wise. Starkly different than how women do it, where 80% of men are below average looks wise, maybe 15% or so are average and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:32 PM
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Also, 70% of people meaning HALF of those are women, which probably means around 30-40% of those are women that are overweight. It is an average of 35% of the overall populace, but still means that 70% of women are overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:26 PM
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Has nothing to do with meanness. Fatness is not attractive. If a woman is fat then they need to find the small percentage of the men that is attracted to them/settle for them, be fine with being alone, or lose weight. If a man is fat, they need to lose weight or are generally out of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:25 PM
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Everybody is fat and nobody wants to fuck a fat person. A more accurate way to say it would be most men do not want to fuck a fat women. There are some men that happily would and other men that settle. No woman wants to fuck a fat man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:21 PM
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No, because women is only 50% of people overall. LoL. For your math to work it would have to be 90% of women and 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:19 PM
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From a sexual marketplace standpoint, this is what monogamy was. The highest value men, those types of men who in an unregulated marketplace can get the majority of the women, had to sacrifice their sexual strategy and commit to one women. Not that such men never cheated, but by and large they had sex with less women than they could have and things were more equitable across the board. We've gotten away from that because monogamy has largely collapsed over the last 4-5 decades, primarily because…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:15 PM
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For me personally, a woman being slim is far and away the biggest factor in whether I'll find her attractive with having long hair second. I've been noticing alot of comments on here stating that as long as a woman isn't fat she can find any guy she wants. Sometimes these comments will include something about being hygienic or feminine, but the one that keeps popping its head is "Dont be fat". How come I don't see this advice given to men as much? You don't see it said to men as much because sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:06 PM
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Women are the primary consumers in the west. They spend the majority of the money. If women wanted to support women's sports, it would be extremely successful. It is arguable that women's sports could even exceed men's sports if women wanted it to. It doesn't. Because even women aren't interested in women's sports. It's fairly simple. If we're looking at an activity where someone's physical abilities are the main driver of success, a man is always going to outdo a woman. That's what sports is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:20 PM
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The hate and anger generally comes from the fact that these men were lied to their entire lives. I think anyone who is lied to about something so important for such a long time would have that anger. With the MGTOW community you generally have two types. You have those guys who realized women's nature and decided to not focus on a romantic relationship being a part of their life anymore. The true MGTOWs. These men don't hate women at all. They recognize their true nature and don't idolize them, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 04:24 PM
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The biggest change you will see is that younger women (mid twenties and younger) will generally go more for short term relationships and put a lot more importance on the man's looks (alphas). As a woman gets into her late twenties and thirties, while looks are still extremely important to her, she will also put more importance on providership than she had when she was younger (betas). The Rational Male: Preventative Medicine is a good book that goes over this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 04:21 PM
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Men aren't considered men if they have the ability to cry and are interested on cute creatures, cooking and bright colors, while women aren't considered women if they think logically and are interested on science and sport. That isn't driven by society though, its driven by women. Men feel that they can't cry, can't show their emotion, etc... because that is a big turn off for women. Men who do that will have little to no success with women. while women aren't considered women if they think logi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:39 PM
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The main indicator isn't necessarily 30 something year old men looking for 20 something year old child free women, although that certainly is a benefit. There are a lot of 30 something child free women after all. It's because women in their 20s are more attractive, can bear the men more children and their standards relative to their SMV are not as out of whack as it is once they make it to their 30s. As for the whole thing about age gap relationships and shaming, let me use these women as an exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:24 PM
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First off, you've probably never listened or read anything from Rollo if you think it is a wolf pack corollary. Alpha and beta are placeholder terms for types of behaviors/mentalities. Simply calling it jocks vs. nerds is trying to fit things in too much of a box. Its taking things to binary extremes, which you really should avoid, especially in red pill/sexual marketplace discussions. The example of an alpha mentality in the Rational Male is a good one. Corey Worthington, a guy who had a massiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 04:45 PM
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That's a total strawman. Red pillers wouldn't say things like "She belongs to the street" or "She's not yours its just your turn" if they think a woman would never cheat. Even an alpha has to deal with those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 04:40 PM
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A lot of red pillars, blue pillers, and any other pillers think being red pilled makes you an alpha(or makes you think your an alpha) but being red pill isn’t making you alpha, all the red pill is, is game, sexual strategy. Anyone who understands the red pill doesn't make the claim that simply having a red pill understanding makes you alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 04:38 PM
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I have no actual experience with arragned marriages and am from the US where its obviously isn't common, but I think the way to look at it is arranged marriage is handling marriage the way marriage was originally intended. Marriage wasn't intended for love/lust and romance. It was for monetary and societal reasons. Marriage would be one's duty, not so much one's desire. It would be your duty to get married to this other person, have kids with them and so on not because you personally wanted to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 04:30 PM
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There is no concern. But that is largely a strawman and shouldn't be used for the argument because it is such an over the top outlier. If a 50 year old man gets with an 18 year old woman, they typically both know going in that it is either prostitution-related or is in some fashion a way to make her famous (ex famous actor/ex-athlete guy with random nobody woman). Good luck finding many situations where both the man and the woman actually believe they are in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:15 PM
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Its hypocrisy, as simple as that. Older women infantilize younger women because they are their competition. The men these older women want go for younger women and they want to even out the competition. It's never a problem for those women voting, getting abortions, getting loans, drinking alcohol, etc... because that doesn't directly impact the older woman's dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:12 PM
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Because she's more attractive at that age and has more years in which she can bear him children.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:11 PM
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If brains aren't fully developed until 26, and hence a woman under that age shouldn't get into a romantic relationship, you'd agree that her voting rights should be taken away, she shouldn't be allowed to smoke or drink alcohol, she shouldn't be allowed to get her own apartment, or get a loan, and so on, right? Because if she can't make her own decision at 25 about her romantic relationships than she can't be trusted to do so in any of these other areas either, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:09 PM
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Aren't women strong and independent and can make their own decisions and more mature than men at the same age? Because older women hate that younger women have agency when it comes to the SMP. By all means, said younger women can vote, get abortions, drink alcohol, get loans, and so on. But how dare they willingly date an older man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:07 PM
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Here's the thing about power imbalances; often that younger woman with the older guy has the greater amount of power. There is a power imbalance, but the other way around when focusing on the SMP. Or things equal themselves out. The guy has higher status and has more money, but that evens out with the woman's attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:06 PM
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If we want to talk about brain development, maturity, life experience, etc... I'm open to it, but we need to apply it universally. If we think an 18 year old woman is not mature enough to be in a relationship with a guy 10 years older than her, even if she was totally willing to be in said relationship, than we also need to examine taking her voting rights away, and other things. If said person can't be allowed to make their own decisions about a relationship, then they shouldn't be allowed to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:02 PM
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Only creepy in the sense that women view any man who doesn't meet their attraction threshold hitting on them as creepy. The 18 year old who gets hit on by a 30 year old professional athlete or actor will not for a second think its creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:59 PM
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Because that is to women's advantage (at least temporarily, as in such circumstances the guy usually doesn't want her long term). Age gaps get shamed by women solely because it puts older women at a disadvantage. When its flipped and the woman has the advantage, everything is right in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:58 PM
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The whole age gap thing isn't that hard to figure out. Men prefer younger women mainly because of biology. A woman is more fertile, and as a result biology has made her more attractive when she is younger. If you as a guy get with a 20 year old women, she has a much larger window of time to bear you children than a women who is 30 years old. And because of that, said 20 year old woman is going to be more physically attractive than the 30 year old woman. The other thing, which is a smaller factor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:54 PM
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My sister in law said that men don’t need to be handsome to be the perfect husbands and fathers and it resonated with me. Those men are the betas and the ones women settle for, not the ones they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:35 PM
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I would agree with the assessment that a woman expresses through OLD her pure, unfiltered preferences. A woman may claim that she likes the average guy when out in public to come off as more down to earth, less shallow, etc... When swiping you'll see her true preferences, which is where you end up with 80% of men rated as below average in looks and only 1-2% tops as above average, if that. That said, the fact that men outnumber women by so much on dating apps certainly skews things, at least if …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:34 PM
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You have it completely backwards. Women marry happier, wealthier, more successful men. Its not marriage that made the men that way. Rather women screen out those men who aren't already that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:27 PM
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One of my favorites is "most people marry within their class" when arguing against hypergamy. The other thing they leave out of that argument is to look back at that marriage in 10-15 years. Where are most of the divorces coming from? Women who marry men who are in their league, yet the woman wants more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 04:51 PM
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Although it should be said the anger is not at the red pill. The anger is at the fact that they were lied to through the delusions of the blue pill for all this time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 04:48 PM
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I wouldn't say its giving up as much as it is recognizing that the red pill is largely regarding male sexual strategy, not about supporting entire structures of society. It is not about "Saving the West".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 04:46 PM
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Agreed. I think there are more conservative men in the red pill than liberal men, but as a whole the red pill is more apolitical, or at least doesn't cleanly fit in either side of the equation. Conservatives will agree on some aspects of red pill thought, but from the other end will push men more into marriage, will discourage plate spinning, and instruct men to "do their duty" when it is disastrous to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 04:43 PM
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Every guy can improve, the question is how high are they going to get. A guy who is a 1 is never going to be able to make himself an 8. Can he make himself a 3 or a 4? Most likely. The Red Pill doesn't delude men into thinking they can go from a 1 to an 8. If anything, the red pill ideally makes those men who are very low SMV realize that they have to lower their expectations and get rid of their blue pill delusions. The unfortunate side of this is that many of those men who become red pilled an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 04:39 PM
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Agreed; I find that the majority of anti-red pill comments on this sub aren't actually picking apart red pill content. They are purposely creating a strawman, or going after black pill/doom pill arguments. So much of the "The Red Pill is wrong and here's why" posts have fundamental misunderstandings of what the red pill even is. Such as "I have disproved the wall" and then not knowing what the wall is. Heck, I periodically see people claiming things are red pill that are actually blue pill opini…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 04:22 PM
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There is a shortage of what women consider "marriage worthy" or "economically attractive" men, we've got numerous examples of news articles on that subject. It is a self-induced shortage though. There is generally enough to go around if women settled for their equivalent. They don't. They only date up. Men that are lesser than them or the same as them are invisible. So they think there is a shortage, and there is because of their actions, but it doesn't have to be that way. But they're not going…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 04:43 PM
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What is more likely the case is the female cashier is dating the mid-level manager at some other company, and the male cashier is dating no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 04:37 PM
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It is not a coincidence that when incel communities get banned, incel-type content suddenly increases in other communities. There is this delusion that by merely banning their community those type of people completely vanish. They still exist. They still have their opinions. And they will still express them, just not as much in the open. Hence you see a community like MGTOW be quite removed from its real purpose and largely a community of incels complaining about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 04:45 PM
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Disagreed; if you are talking about legitimate nice guys (not the nice guy meme about the guy who pretends to be a male feminist to get in a woman's pants), they're generally not shallow, are good people and believe in accountability. These are guys who aren't looking to sleep around. As with anyone, they'd love a woman with higher SMV than them, but they will be okay getting with a woman with equivalent SMV. Outside of some extreme outliers these guys tend to do quite poorly in today's SMP. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 04:31 PM
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Despite what the red pill thinks, the average woman is not getting bombarded with male attention from ‘chads’, and high value men, The red pill doesn't think this. The red pill thinks the average woman is getting bombarded with male attention from average men. Men who are a fit for her, but are usually rejected by her because she considers herself above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 04:43 PM
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As with anyone who says the wall doesn't exist, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the wall is. The wall isn't a woman suddenly becoming undatable. An attractive woman can sitll have hit the wall. A woman hits the wall when her looks have deteriorated to a level where she can no longer command the same attention from the same volume and quality of men that she used to. Essentially when those men she desires have moved onto a younger model. She can't compete at the level she used to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 04:38 PM
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From this chart 0 - 3 and 8 are good, anything outside of that would be too fat for me. Like my women really slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 04:33 PM
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It isn't evil, and the red pill doesn't state that it is evil. Anyone who says so is straw manning. It is totally fair and reasonable for a woman to consider a man's income/wealth when deciding a mate. Heck, women are biologically wired to considering provisioning when doing that. What makes things unreasonable is when women in turn want to ignore/shame what men consider desirable in a mate, and when women think that men desire income/wealth in the opposite sex at the same level of importance th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 04:07 PM
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I am a red piller but this is one of the areas where I disagree with the common/popular red pill thought. Within reason, I have no issue with a woman having a career, and I have no expectation that a woman I get with quit her job to be with me, or do all the cooking/cleaning, etc... Certainly a woman who is too obsessed with her career can be a problem; I want to be with a woman who has enough time for me (and have personally been in relationships with women where everything was great but that).…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 10:59 PM
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So far I'm just seeing stuff like slut or fat, but this seems specific to what men consider low value. Well the thing is, women do consider a woman being a slut equivalent to her being a loser (or trash, lowlier than them, however you want to put it). They just don't want to admit that. Women slut shame other women more than men do. And there's a reason why woman always hesitate to reveal their real partner count, its because they are ashamed of sleeping around so much. Anyway getting to your qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 10:49 PM
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A very large portion, perhaps a majority of those claiming to be MGTOW are really MSTOW, men sent their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 10:41 PM
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First off, asking us to watch an hour video for this post is too much. I didn't bother watching the Better Bachelor video, although I am very familiar with him. I did watch the second video from the FDS sub. Both men and women are allowed to have standards. The big question is whether you are of high enough value to warrant those standars. I'm not saying a 5 feet 6 guy asking for a supermodel doesn't have standards that are too high; he absolutely does. But I think by and large there is more of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 10:38 PM
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They claim all men want ultra feminine, skinny, submissive, un-ambitious girls in their late teens-early 20s. They will conclude that you are lying, somehow mentally unwell or a woman in disguise if you (as a man) say different. On the contrary, red pill men admit that men's preferences for female appearance/behavior casts a wider net than women do. Yes, on average, men will prefer a feminine, skinny, submissive, etc... woman in the age range of say 18 - 25. But there are still a lot of men out …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 05:02 PM
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You need to follow one of the core teachings of the red pill, don't listen to what women say, watch their actions. Woman: "I'm a strong independent woman! I'm a boss babe and a Queen! Worship me!" Also same woman: I refuse to date any man under 6 feet, even though I'm only 5 feet 2. I refuse to date any man who makes less than 50% more than me. All of my past partners were "emotionally abusive" to me. On and on and on...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 04:53 PM
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A good difference of how the methodology differs for The Red Pill and FDS. The Red Pill taught men to not simply listen to what women say but to focus on their actions. It looked at what women actually are aroused by, and helps men improve themselves and adjust their behavior so they can be the type of man a woman desires. Because ultimately for a man, to be successful with women, you need to understand what actually makes a woman aroused by you and then work to become that. FDS took a different…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/04/21 10:38 PM
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Women feel extremely lucky when their boyfriends are sweet and thoughtful, do equal housework, and aren't assholes about sex None of those matter unless she is already aroused by him though. Average Joe can do those things and she'll dump him since she's "not happy" or reject him from the outset.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:55 PM
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Unfortunately the behavior of a guy like that really ruins it for other men. The woman who is a 4 gets to sleep with a 9, then thinks she's a 9 who deserves a 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:47 PM
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You mean the standards men have to meet in order to get sex or a relationship with a woman? It's funny, the standards actually have never been as high, or at least in hundreds, possibly thousands of years. More and more men are getting kept out of the sexual marketplace because of it. I think what you're seeing is that women are continuing to improve with respect to their careers, education, wealth, etc... and in turn their standards are increasing along with that. Because women aren't aroused b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:46 PM
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Sorry, I'm not looking to take advice from people too afraid to show their face on their videos. And my understanding is that MGTOW Dictionary is a 50+ year old felon who lives with his mother. Not the type of man people should be looking for advice from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:55 PM
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They purposely seek out the weak and vulnerable (Jesse Lee Peterson Voice: BETA MALES!) and then feed them a pinch of good advice (Get in shape, learn social skills) with a pound of bad advice (Females are Eeevil, Da Jooooz are trying to depopulate da huWhite race). You obviously don't understand the Red Pill or are purposely throwing out strawmen arguments if you think like this. The Red Pill is intended so you don't hate women. It is to get you to eliminate beliefs that will cause you to put w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:52 PM
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Because men approach women, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 03:16 AM
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You are right in that social awkwardness can be a killer for men. Just don't dismiss the looks part of the equation. One of the most important things the red pill teaches is that women not caring about looks is a total fallacy. Looks are in fact much more important to a woman than they are to a man. You are judged far more harsh as a man than a women is with respect to your looks. The thing is, outside of some extreme outliers, you're generally not going to have a really attractive guy who is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 03:14 AM
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Well, whether a guy is creepy or not is pretty simple. Is the attention he is showing the woman wanted or not. If it is wanted, he is not creepy. If it isn't wanted, its creepy. In most situations whether the woman wants him or not is going to depend on his looks. Two men can behave in exactly the same way, the handsome guy will be seen as flirting while the ugly guy will be seen as creepy. A handsome guy would have to be really socially awkward and screw things up bad to come off as creepy, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:59 AM
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It's not that its a myth, its that Chad generally does not need game in the first place to get opportunities with women, he can get by on his looks alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:51 AM
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Well think about it, if you're a natural Chad who has always been that way, you have no need to have game. You get by based on your looks alone, at least as it pertains to getting yourself opportunities. When it comes to opportunities, game is more important for average and less than average attractive men because they can't get by just on their looks. Where a Chad with no game gets in trouble is if he doesn't realize his own value in the sexual marketplace and overcommits to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:50 AM
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Women can say they don't want a promiscuous man, but then you look at who they date and are attracted to, and what do you know, its the promiscuous men!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:17 PM
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You'd be surprised. Plenty of testimonies say otherwise. In those scenarios the reason the woman is being rejected is typically something other than being a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:16 PM
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It's because men and women are different and are looking for different things. For a woman, she inherently has massive value in the sexual market place merely by existing. Outside of rare exceptions like extremely ugly or extremely socially awkward women, it is fairly easy for a women to get sex once she becomes an adult. Hence not simply giving away herself and preserving her virginity is seen as a virtue. Men on the other hand have no value when they become adults. They need to earn what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:11 PM
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Why is it that women tend to lean more leftward than men do and push for socialist/communist ideology, yet when it comes to the dating market they are as far to the right on free market capitalism as they come? Want women to "lower their standards" or become "more realistic" so that more men can have a chance to obtain sexual success (sounds like redistribution of sex) Keep in mind that this is typically not a man who is a 1 getting a woman who is a 10. Rather it is a woman who is a 4 thinking s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:59 PM
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Highlights one of the core teachings of the red pill, don't listen to what women say, look at their actions. "I don't have an issue dating a man who is only 5'6!" Actual history is she's exclusively dated men over 6 feet tall
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:14 PM
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You gotta keep in mind that the vast majority of men are still blue pilled and have blue pill ideals like having the perfect family with a wife, 2.5 kids and a white picked fence.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:10 PM
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Just because a man lives in a non-western country doesn't mean that he can't have the same problems that a man in a western country would. Women are still inherently the same in non-western countries, its just that they have less opportunities to exploit men. Also, women, including those who are leftists/woke tend to greatly discriminate against non-white men when it comes to romance. Seems quite obvious to me that they would struggle just like western men would and want to improve themselves. R…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:07 PM
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Society and technology has hit a point where a 21 year old woman has typically already been in a spot for 5+ years where she could easily get sex from most men. Our society has become extremely hedonistic. Also women lie excessively about their body count. This has in turn screwed over a bit women with lower body counts because very few people will actually believe them that their body count is low.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:02 PM
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First off, it's apex fallacy, you typically only see this happen with men on the extreme end of the bell curve who are extremely rich, successful and attractive. 95%+ of men would never be able to do this. Second, celebrities often live hedonistic lives. You're more apt to see this happen with a celebrity or a professional athlete than the regular man. Third, when this does happen its possible because women make it so. That women only find the upper echelon of men attractive give those men an ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:58 PM
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I keep reading that female SMV peaks at 23 (22-24). It's always because peak beauty is reached by that age, and then the slow decline starts. First of all, that's not always true. Many women will keep the peak until 26, or even 28, if they take care of themselves (which most of the beautiful ones do!). Don't claim the exception is the rule. That's why it is called the exception. Yes, there are some women who work hard to maintain their beauty and still look really good when they get older. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:52 PM
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Most probably aren’t even north of 115 pounds. You're severely underestimating how fat people in the west are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:41 PM
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Don't equate women having an advantage over the average man in the SMV to being in God mode. Yes, an average 35 year old woman likely will have a higher SMV than an average 35 year old man because men thirst for women a lot more than women thirst for men. But she won't be getting the same quality of man she got when she was 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:38 PM
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Calling something a fetish implies its more of a niche than something that the majority prefers; that doesn't describe men liking younger women. The majority of men find younger women most attractive. While women's age preferences age along with them, men's don't, they stay in the early 20s. Which makes sense as men are attracted to youth, beauty and fertility, and that's the best age for it. Of course most men can't actually attain it, which is why the percentage of men who get it are low. Most…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:50 PM
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Indeed. Usually when an older woman gets with a younger man in his twenties, its a lower value man. He goes with her to get experience so when he gets older he can go after the twenty something year old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:36 PM
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for the desirer to be superior to her in every way except attractiveness You have this one wrong, women want men with higher SMV than them too. Doesn't mean they can all get it, but its what they desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:34 PM
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding in that you are solely looking at it from the woman's perspective and think men and women are the same. Men value a woman's beauty, youth and fertility. A 25 year old higher value man has no reason to get with a 45 year old woman because all three of those things are gone for her. She's not apt to get a man just looking for money, because men can get their own money, and that doesn't make a woman attractive to a man. And any such man who would get with her…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:29 PM
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Isn't 7 years the amount of time where most women usually completely lose attraction to their partner? So what likely really happened was she was with a guy for 7 years, he was already better than her but due to her inflated standards she didn't really think so, he proposed to her, she rejected it thinking she could do better and now she's fully come to the realization that she threw away her best possibly chance at happiness and a family.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 04:52 PM
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It's not so much that red pill men want high n count women, they don't. Its about opportunity. Those women with very low n counts tend to have it for a reason. Either its because she is that woman who is totally faithful to her man and was very quickly taken off the market entirely, or she is that rare outlier where she's massively unattractive and isn't going to find much to any men willing to sleep with her. Whereas the red pill is so much focused on the casual sex market, obviously most women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:40 PM
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I will refrain this by saying I haven't read or seen anything by Jordan Peterson in regards to sexual dynamics in a long time (probably at least a couple of years), but my understanding from what I've heard those in the Red Pill community say is that his focus is too much on the beta side of the AF/BB dynamic. He doesn't consider the alpha side enough. If a woman is going to have an affair, it is generally going to be because the guy she is having it with is an alpha. A married woman already wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:35 PM
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The 80/20 thing is from the Pareto Principal, not the dating app studies, although people use the dating app studies to help support it. If anything I think the dating app studies are even harsher than the 80/20 ratio. I'll never forget the study I saw where women literally rated 0% of men as above average in looks. Everyone was average or lower. Also you appear to have misread any dating app studies in regards to men's rating of women, men tend to rate women on the traditional bell curve, 50% a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:30 PM
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Gotta say, I think ultimately there won't be much value out of this thread. One of the core things the Red Pill teaches you is to not listen to what women say, follow what they actually do. Even if 100% of the women responding say Guy A, that doesn't change the fact that practically all of them would actually choose Guy B.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 03:48 AM
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you’re getting this info from a group of men where the majority doesn’t seem to actually like women as human beings You would of course also agree that the majority of women don't actually consider men as human beings? Anyone in the bottom 80%?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 03:42 AM
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Many great points. A lowering population may be good for the environment, but it is apt to bring about economic collapse due to a government/economy that depends on an ever increasing population.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:44 PM
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I prefer the economic explanation that for poorer people, children are assets and for richer people, children are liabilities Indeed. For the poorer person, another kid was another person to help on the farm. Another person to help raise the other kids. Another person to help with the household duties. Another person to help support them when they got older. Richer people look at the luxuries they have in today's life and don't want to give them up, or they want to push things back as long as po…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:35 PM
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I would rather say, to answer your question, that the consequences of women's economic liberation are one of the reasons that caused the birth rate to decline. Not just "one of the reasons", its the main reason. Certainly birth control and abortion contribute a lot too, but the main reason the birth rate is down is women choosing education and careers over motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:28 PM
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The people who are concerned about overpopulation are the very people who shouldn't be worrying because their population is having kids at a rate that is less than replacement level. Any kids they don't have is more than offset by kids born in developing countries that strain Earth's resources more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:27 PM
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You can say its a good thing, but the fact remains that any kid that a wealthy Westerner who is serious about the environment doesn't have to "help the planet" is offset by a child born in a poor developing country that pays no mind to such things. And our government entitlement programs/economy is heavily dependent on an ever increasing population.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:26 PM
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Subsidized childcare is irrelevant. It's not an economic issue. If it was, we wouldn't see poorer people/countries having more kids than richer people/countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:24 PM
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Well, I'd say get out of CA then, but it depends. If you voted for the people who are imposing such high costs of living on you, then it is only fair to expect you to stay and reap the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:21 PM
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If that was the case then we wouldn't see the birth rates collapsing in the wealthiest nations and continuing to be high in the poorest nations. Poorer people have more kids than wealthier people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:20 PM
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Its because those income inequality matters and government programs have nothing to do with the birth rate. Why is the birth rate down? Women prioritizing education and careers over being mothers, and widespread availability of birth control and abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:19 PM
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It's not that. Poorer people have more children than wealthier people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:17 PM
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The #1 factor in declining birth rates is women choosing their education and careers over being mothers. Even those that end up becoming mothers have far fewer children than they used to. The mainstream media by and large ignores this; those countries that try to economically incentivize it through tax credits or just straight out handing people money to have kids just don't get it either. Its not an economic issue. Poorer people tend to have more children than richer people do. When we push so …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:13 PM
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Red Pill applies across the board, its just that it is incorrect to equate everyone's experiences as being the same. Yes, the 10/10 woman will get the most benefits. She will get the highest volume of men interested in her and the highest quality of man interested in her. The 4/10 woman will not get the same volume of men and will not get the same quality of men. A woman may say "My ugly friend isn't successful in the dating market, therefore the red pill is false!". What either she doesn't say,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 04:55 PM
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The new ideal man wants nothing for himself and only serves others and never ever expresses his sexuality. That's not the ideal man though, because she won't be attracted to that. But that is what women want for any man that isn't Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 04:48 PM
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Well, not entirely. Chad will still get to do those things. But the other 80% of men, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 04:47 PM
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I always kinda feel that this "sexbots will make women obsolete" argument is a bit naïve. The desire for an actual human companioin will still be there. Most men are not going to be comfortable in social settings introducing their sexbot waifu over a real woman. And by the time we advance enough technologically to have robots that are so lifelike that you can't even tell they are robots and could trick people into thinking they are a real person, and interact with them permanently as if they wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:16 PM
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This is extremely blue pilled thinking. Soul mates don't exist. In this scenario the amount of money needed doesn't even necessarily have to be that high. Because if you are red pilled, you know that there isn't simply one special perfect person out there who was designed just for you. There are many other people you could find to replace said person if you are of high enough value to attract that person to you in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:58 PM
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A woman with a career is a nice defense for the man when it comes to divorce rape and alimony. But a man is never making that the top factor of who he is going to get with. If its going to come down to that, the man is going to stay single and spin plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:51 PM
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A woman's income is not given no value. I think you're approaching it from the wrong angle. For example, would a low value male, who say is 25 years old, lives with his parents, is 30 pounds overweight, loves to play video games and makes $25,000 a year love to get with a 27 year old woman who is making $100,000 a year? Absolutely. And in circumstances like that, not only is the woman's income of value, it is something that is playing a big factor in that man being with the woman. But that's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:46 PM
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That is just cope for the fact that women's fertility window is far shorter than men's are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 03:56 AM
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It simply boils down to I want sex and getting it for free is WAY to daunting and not worth the effort, and I'm better off paying. You're 21 years old. You've got tons of time. Think about it this way. Work on self improving yourself including being more social, going after a good career and attaining high status, making a lot of money, becoming as physically fit and attractive as you can, etc... for yourself. It's not to get sex. Its because overall, regardless of sex you will still feel happie…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 03:47 AM
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Let's be honest though, a lot of the times "I don't want to be taller than him in heels" is a lie. Because the 5 ft. 1 inch woman still wants the 6 foot tall man and she's never wearing 11 inch heels. It's a status symbol. A woman who is 5 feet 1 inch tall gets a boyfriend who is 5 feet 9 inches tall. Then her friend gets one who is 6 feet tall. She is jealous, dumps her boyfriend and goes for a taller guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 03:41 AM
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I don't necessarily have an issue with women wanting tall men, it's never particularly bothered me, maybe because I'm 5'11 and height has never been a barrier for me. But there are a lot of delusions and misconceptions when it comes to this topic which warrant being brought up. First is that women generally don't comprehend math well when it comes to this subject. The general claim we hear is that women want a man who is at least 6 feet tall. What percentage of the US population for males is act…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 03:37 AM
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AFBB and dead bedroom fear mongering is completely at odds with the fact that married men have more sex and are more satisfied with their sex life than unmarried men. Take 100 married men and 100 unmarried men and there will be more and better sex being had by the men in the first group. Well, duh, because of preselection. Yes, the men who are married are having more sex than the single men who can't get a woman at all, which makes up a large percentage of single men. Doesn't take a genius to fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:46 PM
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Here's the problem, only LVM are going to wait a year to go without sex because they are the only men desperate enough to wait that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:38 PM
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The vast majority of men aren't sticking around if they have to wait a year for sex. Those that do will tend to be the low value men that the woman doesn't want in the first place. And I hope any woman going with this strategy has applied it consistently across her entire life. No man should be waiting a year for something that a woman happily gave to a guy hours after meeting him in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:37 PM
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And outside of reddit I've never heard of someone exclusively dating another person for months, having sex then immediately dumping them the next day. This seems like a made up scenario that doesn't happen irl. Indeed, I think these things tend to not happen in real life. The type of men who are going to ghost a woman/dump a woman the day after sleeping with her for the first time isn't waiting months to sleep with her. He's moving onto someone else if it doesn't happen after a few dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:34 PM
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But the third one is what I understand it to be, and it is shitty because the guy was manipulative. In that case I think a woman is right to feel offended and upset, no matter how enjoyable the date was. What do you guys think? Is it shitty? Yes, I'd generally say it is, and I don't have an issue with the woman being offended with it. Why does it typically happen? Because a woman is going after a man far higher than her in SMV. Pump and dumps happen because men have a high sex drive and men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:31 PM
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Which is what he recommends they do. If they follow his advice, they'll get what they deserve. And you'd hope they would be happy with it. But their expectations are so high they probably won't be. I think it goes to show that women have a blue pill just like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:25 PM
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Well it depends on the situation and what the man and the woman are looking for. If we're talking about casual sex, then SMV is way more important. If we're talking about a long term relationship, then RMV is more important. But let's not kid ourselves, physical attractiveness is still very important to a man's RMV. This is a key factor the red pill teaches men, that any such notion that looks aren't important to a woman when she's looking for a relationship is idiocy. Yes, the alpha chad who sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:20 PM
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Not really. Most guys have and continue to have very few options. Some men, those who work really hard to improve themselves, both their looks and their status/money see more options after they improve. Meanwhile for women, they continue to live the party life for a few years after graduation. By the time they hit their late 20s/early 30s things start to slow down and they look to settle down. They still have way more options than men of the same age. The problem is that their expectations are e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:17 PM
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Exercise options = cheating. Unless that relationship is an open relationship, then its cheating. Yes, its cheating. So the thought process would be go after men who don't cheat. But those tend to be the average or lower value men that women don't want. Women all want the high value man. Hence the high value man has numerous options and the opportunity to cheat. He either never commits, or if he does, he cheats. How to prevent that? If women stop rewarding the men who cheat and reward the men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:12 PM
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Sounds like apex fallacy to me. Most men just want a woman period. Those that cheat are the upper tier of men who most women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:07 PM
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Exactly. This is what the people saying "He just wants young women to date old men like himself" don't get (although I think many people saying that are just angry at him because they know he's right). You're an average 30 something year old woman who wants a man who makes a ton of money to support your kids and enable you to not work? Who is the type of man who makes that kind of money? Typically an older man. The 30 something year old man who makes that kind of money typically isn't settling f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 06:04 PM
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I will say that from what I've heard of Kevin he is far off on his estimates of how much it takes to support a family. He is often telling women that in order to support 3 kids and her, the man needs to bring in $400-500K/yr. Agreed, I do think he overshoots things a bit there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 06:01 PM
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My main point of confusion is why shouldn’t an average to cute 22 yr. old just date a 27 year old guy with potential to be a high earner, than a 40-45 year old man who is stagnant in his career. Because that's not what women want. There is a common saying in the red pill sphere, "Women don't care about your struggles, they wait at the finish line and fuck the winners". Women's current expectations of men are extraordinarily high. They typically don't want the man who is developing himself and ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 05:53 PM
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He also encourages marrying average joe if the lady can accept that. But a lot of the women laugh at the idea of marrying a man making 40k, meaning they could never submit to him and it wouldn't work out. This is by far the biggest takeaway from his show. A lot of people who don't like him like to harp on "He wants women to date older men! Older men disgust younger women!". Frankly that isn't all that relevant for the majority of people calling. His show doesn't have 22 year old supermodels call…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 05:49 PM
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It's confirmation bias largely. The women who are successful at getting men that meet their expectations aren't going to call his show in the first place, why would they? Also there's a decent amount of women who call his show who aren't really serious. They want the appearance on a popular Youtube channel.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 05:47 PM
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He's generally pointing out how delusional the expectations are of the women who call him. A 34 year old woman with 2 kids who is 5'3 and weighs 200 lbs, wants more kids and doesn't want to work calls him. He explains that to support that lifestyle she's going to need a guy making $300,000 per year (as an example). A woman is going to have a better shot with an older guy for that. Most importantly because a guy is going to have to be really established to have that much income. But also because …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 05:46 PM
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Well that's the problem with the women calling his show, they generally want men who are far, far superior to them. And those are the types of men who have so many options that if they marry (most of them won't due to all their options) they will resort to cheating. I don't know if what he is telling them is getting through to them, but the ultimate message to take away from his show for the women that call is to lower their expectations. They are average women. They should be going for average …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 05:36 PM
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It's not entirely based on the amount of money a man is earning. A man's SMV is comprised of many things. Not just income, but also his physical appearance, his status and his overall mentality (red pill aware/alpha mentality vs. blue bill/beta mentality). Also the amount of money a man is making is having less and less of an effect on SMV as more and more women make good money or have the government seizing money from other people to give to them, lowering the importance of it when they are loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 05:29 PM
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The women who call into Kevin's show just help provide the evidence that all women want that top 20% man, even though the vast majority of those who call him aren't in the top 20% of women. That said, there is a certain amount of confirmation bias there. In all odds the woman who is in that upper echelon and is getting that high value man has no reason to call his show. Also I do think that Kevin has become popular enough where there are a lot of women who call his show that aren't doing so for …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 05:25 PM
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The ratio of men to women on Tinder is pretty well known. The 80/20 rule isn't drawn from that. Its drawn from those studies of those women who actually use the dating apps rating men's attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 02:32 AM
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Throughout much of a woman's 20s, she is generally not looking to settle down. She is going for casual sex, and when that is what she is looking for, the alpha who is hot but has nothing else going on is exactly what she will be fine with. When she hits her late 20s and 30s she is more apt to settle down. From a physical standpoint, she still wants that alpha chad who is just as important as the guy who she got with when she was 22. But at that point the other things like his career, etc... beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 02:27 AM
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Indeed. So many arguments made here against the red pill are either straw man or people taking black pill/incel talking points and mistakenly thinking they are red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 02:25 AM
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Its a way to quickly describe a person's value in the SMP, similar to how "alpha" and "beta" are placeholder terms and not intended to literally mean the alpha animal in a pack.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:19 PM
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Do you think a larger boned Samoan woman is unhealthy just because she weighs 160lbs? Not necessarily. But the people most vocal aren't those like that who have a legitimate reason. They are those who are overweight due to their own bad habits and lack of discipline.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:15 PM
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Clarification: body positivity is not about forcing men to like fat women. It’s about reversing the psychological damage of being told you’re not good enough unless you meet the unrealistic standards of the media, that you’re a bad person who deserves to be treated badly for not being thin. This was the original intention of the movement. Which is noble and I have no issue with. That's not the way the movement is today, or at least those most vocal about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:13 PM
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Question for the debaters here. When trying to change someone’s view do you try to compromise and get them to agree to a few points or do you try to get them to agree to your entire view on that subject? Depends on the argument, as often I see complete strawman arguments made here and my comment is mostly to point out just how wrong it is. But if someone is putting forth something in good faith, then I am totally fine with looking for a compromise. Also how often do you find yourself trying to u…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:10 PM
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If a woman expects men to overlook the fact that she wasted her higher value youthful years on the CC, then be prepared to be expected to overlook men fucking with younger models when he becomes higher value. While overall, women will always be valued more than men sexually because men have more thirst for women than the other way around, young women have to realize that the massive advantage they have in their 20s has a cost. That a 20 something year old woman has so many men after her is in la…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:06 PM
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There certainly is a segment of the female population who is getting far by capitalizing on their sexual attractiveness and the thirst of men. But I think you're overstating it a bit. How big of a percentage is this truly? 5%? 10%? I struggle to think of it being more than that. As someone else mentioned, I do think apex fallacy is coming into play here. Much like how women look at the successful male executive and think that's all men, it is very easy to look at the stunningly attractive 25 yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 04:58 PM
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We're mostly talking about the US here. More than a third of people there are overweight. More like two thirds.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 04:53 PM
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A good point. A large portion of the MGTOW community isn't really MGTOW, they are MSTOW, Men Sent Their Own Way. I think the movement has had ideal intentions, but a large portion of its base is now incels and black pillers rather than that MGTOW ideal, the successful man who could have women but chooses not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 04:46 PM
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Agreed, I think the MGTOW ideal, what they claim the movement to be is typically a type of guy who wouldn't say he is a MGTOW and has likely never participated in the MGTOW online community.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 04:43 PM
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I am not a MGTOW, but I I think the initial concept of MGTOW is a good one. I have no issue whatsoever with the men who truly go their own way. Those men who have dedicated their lives to something other than women and are successful with it. I am sure there are many men out there who follow that philosophy even if they don't call themselves MGTOW and don't go on social media to talk about it. My issue with MGTOW is the part of the community that spends all its time bitching and moaning about wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 04:41 PM
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The stereotype here is that women ride the CC in their early 20s and then end up alone in their 30s because they age and have high standards. Sounds like a strawman to me. I think any properly thinking red piller would admit that even in their 30s, the average woman has a higher SMV than the average man and can still easily get married. The key is whether she will lower her standards enough to do so. Why do you think the divorce rate in the west is so high? Woman rides the CC in her 20s, settles…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 04:34 PM
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Probably a skewed marketplace, its a market that attracts more beautiful women, so there is a higher supply of them, and also a market where you will have more wealthy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:59 PM
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I think it depends on what market you are looking at, the casual sex market or the relationship market. If its casual sex, then it is all about the woman's attractiveness and willingness. Personality doesn't matter much. If its relationship, than a man is certainly going to take that into account. I've heard many red pill experts claim that for a relationship it is better to go with a woman who is not as physically attractive as what you would want for casual sex, but has a better personality. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:52 PM
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You can't judge things simply on a man being single at a given age. Because there are different categories of men. There is the Giga Chad or red pilled Chad type. He very easily gets women. He has a massive amount of abundance. Either because he continuously gets women, or because he has red pilled himself he has made the determination that he's not going to get married but continue to play the field. That's why he's still single at 35. Then you have the guy who historically wasn't having succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:40 PM
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My goodness I really disagree with the notion that women lower their standards for casual sex. If anything, women increase their standards because allowing a man she may barely know have access to her sexually is very risky. Why would she not choose the highest quality she is capable of finding? Well I think it depends on what categories you're looking at. For casual sex a woman will totally compromise on status, money and personality. She will have a far higher standard for physical appearance.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:28 PM
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Actually there was a whole thing that OKcupid did about what your talking about. The results are actually the opposite of what you are saying. No, the OK Cupid thing proved his point. Women rated male attractiveness extremely harshly. That means they are rating men as less attractive than they actually are, and hence inflating their own attractiveness. Men on the other hand rated women on a traditional bell curve. The men still want the more attractive women than the less attractive women and me…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:22 PM
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This isn't that hard a question. Those men who are in the upper tier of men in terms of looks, status and money (mostly looks), as well as the majority of women can get casual sex pretty easily. The remaining majority of men and a minority of women can't. There really are two different worlds. For those on the outside what it comes down to is what they can do to get into the other world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:16 PM
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This occurred a few years before my red pilling, but I remember when the 50 Shades of Gray trailer first came out, the women who I recall having the most intense reaction to it were not the women I work with who were generally between the age of 25 - 40 or so, but rather these older, mostly overweight women in the range of around 50 - 60 at one of my clients I visited. Ever since that is what I've viewed as the target audience for this type of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:12 PM
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I'm sick of this gender war bullshit. I don't want men to feel like they have no value unless they have money. I don't want women to feel like they have to look 20 forever to be worthy of love. Why can't the genders just support each other. We're all humans with insecurities just doing our best. You say you have little girls? Do you want them to feel like they're unworthy of love once they turn 30? Do you want them to feel like damaged goods if they can't find someone they want to marry by 30? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:07 PM
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Which is why I constantly harp on FDS types not just about sex, but the fact that they rarely bring to the table what a lot of men actually look for in a partner otherwise, and their whole guidebook is full of shit that will actively drive away all future partners besides the ones that get them in the exact scenarios OP describes. This is what makes FDS so hilarious to me and why its the polar opposite of TRP. TRP looked at what women are actually doing in terms of sex and relationships with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 10:57 PM
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Like you do realize if women stopped being slutty it would be way harder for men to get casual sex, right? The only way to equalize the market would be for more women to be slutty. No, the way to equalize the market would be for women to lower their standards. If more women became slutty that means more sex for the upper 20% of men, not the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 10:47 PM
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That he ghosted meant that he didn't find her decent enough to keep doing it. You have to remember that the men who are in the position to do this are the upper 20% of men. Your average guy isn't ghosting the woman because it may be months before he has the opportunity again, if not more. Since women concentrate their attraction on a small percentage of men, those men are massively spoiled for choice. They have so many options that they can immediately start ignoring a woman they just had sex wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 10:41 PM
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This sounds to me like an affirmation of red pill sentiment. For the women, they are getting dates with top tier men, men who have lots of options. These men have so much in terms of options that there is no need to commit. It is highly likely that they are spinning plates and seeing other women. They either have so much abundance that they can quickly ghost the woman after intimacy, or perhaps they stick it out for a while in either a dry spell or when their number of plates is low enough to al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 07:55 PM
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It is highly unlikely that 5% is mutually exclusive. Realistically what it would be is 4% overlaps and maybe 1% stretches out into different things. So even accounting for all of that, you're unlikely to go over 15-20% in aggregate when accounting for the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:20 PM
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It's always fun to do these calculations when a woman lists out the requirements for what she demands in a man. 6 feet tall or more! Makes $150,000 or more per year! Is no more than 5 years older or younger than me! Has no children! Lives within 10 miles of me! You do the calculation and realize that the amount of eligible men she is looking for is .001% of the population. And 100% of women want that same man so he would do little more than pump and dump her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:16 PM
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A couple of years ago, a female friend of my wife did a men 6'+ dating event. She believed that there are thousands of men over 6' in our area. OMG this is hilarious. Imagine if a guy did a "Size Zero dating event" for women. Classic apex fallacy. Ask the average women what percentage of men are actually over 6 feet and she'll likely list a percentage that is at least triple the actual percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:13 PM
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Its a classic example of having to look at women's actual actions rather than simply what they say. "Oh, I prefer dad bods!" And yet you've rejected every single man with a dad bod in favor of very fit, attractive men.... :P
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:09 PM
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You cant judge who is top 20% when looks are very subjective and different characterestics appeal to different women. Some woman like cute boys, some like jacked guys, some like nerdy guys ext. There will always be some subjectivity to attractiveness. But the subjectivity exists more for what men view as attractive in women than what women view as attractive in men. For example enough men find fat women attractive enough for it to be a niche. There is no such niche for fat men. Same thing for ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:56 PM
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You have it flipped. Women marry the happier, healthier, upper tier men and act like the unhappier, unhealther, average and lower tier men don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 04:21 PM
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I think the concept that most people go to college, dated a lot and went to non-stop parties with a lot of casual sex is a delusion. You know what college was like for me? Commuting, working two part time jobs while being a full time student and having little to no dating/sex. It's like that for a lot of people. Especially men. The lifestyle of lots of dating, partying and casual sex is what it's like for the elite men. It is a lot more common for women. But this notion that pretty much everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 04:14 PM
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That is not that expensive. Consider this; for the average beta man how many dates does he have to go through to get sex? Five? Six? More? He's paying way more than $120 in total.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:45 PM
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Much like how women often view things through an apex fallacy, this is a case where men do. "Any woman can go on OnlyFans and make a lot of money". No. The market is flooded. The vast majority of women are not going to make enough money from it to make it worth it. And every time there is another Bella Thorne who makes a big pay day from the service, it tends to make it even worse for the average woman on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:42 PM
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Prostitution being legal devalues women. There are a lot of women out there who are getting benefits (free meals, a place to live, gifts, etc...) from guys who are doing that because they hope it will result in sex. No, that's not all relationships, but is that a decent percentage? More than what people would admit? Yes. When prostitution is legal, the women seeing those benefits will see it evaporate. In a market where prostitution is legalized, not shamed and regulated properly, a sizable perc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:31 PM
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Rollo has never said his wife is his soulmate, the only women he ever desired, etc... The way he lives his life does not contradict the message of that opening chapter at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:20 PM
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As you've said, Rollo has been married for 25 years. The marriage environment has changed in that time. It was less risky for a man to get married 25 years ago. What do you expect him to do now? To get divorced? By all indications his relationship with his wife has been and continues to go very well because of the way he has internalized the red pill. And to my knowledge, he has never denied that there is always a risk that his wife could divorce him and he could lose half his stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:18 PM
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If you're a man, you're not allowed to vent. It is not attractive and women don't want to see it. They may claim otherwise, but you have to follow women's actions, not what they say. They will claim they want you to share your feelings, but they will lose attraction to you and shame you if you do. Performance burden is a thing. It is imposed not just by men, but especially by women. How do you solve the problem? Red pill men as much as possible. You need to change men's expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:14 PM
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Men primarily prefer women in the age range of around 18 - 25 or so. Unlike women, whose age preference generally sticks around their age, maybe a year or two older/younger, men regardless of their age prefer a woman in that age range. That is the way we are biologically designed. Those men who don't admit that are typically blue pilled, virtue signalers or shamed into lying about their actual preferences. That doesn't mean the average 50 year old man will dump his 50 year old wife whom he's bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:07 PM
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That sounds like a strawman to me. The vast majority of men who are married are not going to dump their wife for a younger women, especially if they got together when they were young or have children together. Divorces are overwhelmingly caused by the woman, not the man. The type of man who can dump his similarly aged wife for a 20 something year old woman tends to only be a Giga Chad type, and even then only a fraction of those men would do that. Sounds like apex fallacy coming into play too. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 02:42 PM
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50 year old Sara still has men chasing her of all ages. But they are all low value men that she doesn't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:31 PM
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Women age worse than men. There's a reason why the cosmetics industry for women is a billion dollar industry. Men are generally attracted to things that are tied into youth and fertility. What women are attracted to are things not as tied into that such as height, how muscular they are, etc... Not that age can't harm a man, it certainly can, but its not as critical to the man's attractiveness as it is to a woman. Women are attracted to "rugged" men. Men are not attracted to "rugged" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:26 PM
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Completely agreed. The SMV drop a woman sees when she hits the wall is in relation to her younger self/younger women, not in comparison to men of the same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:17 PM
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The woman would absolutely get more matches. What OP doesn't get (or missed) is that while women hit the wall, that SMV drop is in comparison to their younger counterparts, not to men. The average 30 year old woman still have a higher SMV than the average 30 year old man. And on online dating, where men tend to massively outnumber women, she'll still get way more matches than a man of the same age. The issue would be that she won't be satisfied with the matches she gets because they aren't as go…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:15 PM
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For Chad and red pilled men. There are plenty of blue pilled men who will happily notice and get with then >35 year old women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:09 PM
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A woman can easily find a guy on Tinder who will be willing to get into a relationship with her (along with the sex). The problem is to get that she's going to have to lower her standards, and she won't do that. She'll go after Chad, and yes, Chad will pump and dump her. The top 20% Chad will get 95% of the matches and the other 80% of men will have to fight over the remaining 5% (who still want Chad).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:06 PM
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Agreed. This is a common mistake people make with the Wall/the well known Rollo Tomassi SMV chart. Its not that the average man suddenly overtakes the average woman in SMV when they hit their 30s. It's that the average woman's SMV has gone down in her 30s in comparison to what it was in her 20s, and the average man's SMV has possibly gone up in comparison to what it was in his 20s. I say possibly because a man only sees that SMV go up if he's earned it. Unlike women who get the high SMV just by …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:03 PM
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I think you're part of the way there, but not all the way. Your post contains a few assumptions/inaccuracies that I think those who like to say "The wall doesn't exist" would pounce upon. The first thing I would say is that hitting the wall is not so much when a women loses her advantage in comparison to men of the same age, but rather its when she hits a point where she can no longer compete with her younger counterparts. To use your example, early to mid 20's Sarah can attain a man with minima…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 04:59 PM
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That's generally not reality, and when it is, its because the man is extremely successful and/or wealthy. Its typically far more the opposite, more attractive men with overweight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 04:41 PM
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I don't see much vitriol against fat women here. I don't see them getting much hate at all. Seperate "I am not attracted to fat women" from "I hate fat women" as they are not the same thing. The vast majority of men don't find fat women attractive. Being fat means someone has issues with laziness, discipline, self-control and other issues. They are doing things detrimental to their health and are making themselves less attractive. That's not hate. That's facts. One is being blue pilled if they t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 04:29 PM
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Women are raised and taught we should be humble, not ask for much and ask for our love to live happily ever after I don't know what country you live in, but in this west this is not the case. In the west women are raised and taught that they are special and superior to men simply for existing. Well reality is, most guys are: liars, cheaters, emotionally unvailable, manipulative/abusive, only care about their needs It seems like every day posts on this sub confirm what I always say, women only se…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 04:54 PM
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The whole "naive" thing is a joke. Would the women who are claiming that say that they were naive when they were that age? Nope. Those younger women are "strong independent women" when it suits the older women, but when they can't compete, then they're suddenly naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 04:29 PM
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So if a guy is one of the few who is able to still attract 20 year olds when he is in his 30s I think its safe to assume he could get a 30 yo woman if he actually wanted to. Correct. The 35 year old guy dating the 22 year old is typically a higher value male that 35 year old women would happily date. It isn't that he isn't good enough for them. It's that his value is high enough where he can ignore them and date the 20 something he and all other men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 04:27 PM
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It's quite simple. Men want younger women because they are more attractive and fertile. If a man was starting from scratch with a relationship, whether he's 20, 30, 50, 60, etc... he will most want a woman under 30. That doesn't mean he'll get it, but is that what he wants? Yes. The "he's going after younger women because he can't handle women his own age" is a cope. He wants the younger women primarily because they are most attractive. The other big factor is that women's standards skyrocket as…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 04:25 PM
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men are coddled by first their mothers Especially when those mothers order their genitalia to be mutilated just after they are born. Such coddling! The reason men are selected for the draft isn't didposeability. it is presumed higher degree of capability. Men are assumed to be the more valuable gender and will then produce better rewards. Then I would assume you are fully in support of making women eligible for the draft? If so kudos to you for being consistent at least; most women don't want th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 05:24 PM
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The comments in this post, such as "men rule the world" are perfect evidence of it. The vast majority of men which are struggling? Its like they don't exist. They don't to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 05:21 PM
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Not really. The male programmer making $125,000 a year who is shy and a little overweight will be just as invisible to most women as the McDonalds cashier making $15,000 a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 05:15 PM
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Good post, it does a great job encapsulating the male experience. The way I often describe it is this. When women decry "male privilege" or describe the benefits that men get in society it is almost entirely an apex falacy. For example, "Why can a man have as much sex as he wants and he's considered a stud, but when I do it I'm a slut?" Women describe all these great benefits/privileges that men have, but typically these "privileges" are things that only a fraction of men actually have. Women vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 05:12 PM
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It's pretty simple. Virginity matters to women just as much as it matters to men. It's just flipped. If you're a woman, being a virgin is valued and sleeping with a lot of men is frowned upon. If you're a man, being a virgin makes you a dangerous incel and sleeping with a lot of women makes you more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 04:55 PM
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Much like with alpha/beta, the nice guys/bad guys thing are placeholder terms to easily explain concepts with a word or two. No easier way to explain reality of the dating market for guys than "women love the bad boys and despise the nice guys". Most women and men under the age of 35 on average are very immature and have no idea what they want. They usually haven't completely matured at that age. Which is an inditement on society. People used to get married and be on their own by 18, now we have…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 04:46 PM
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"Good guy": Attractive man daring to talk to them, then they swoon to him, and then if doesn't react to that, they call him a cool guy and he's hawt who girls want to fuck, he's just misunderstood, he just punched me because he had a bad day, etc. To quote a Lana Del Rey song, "He hit me and it felt like a kiss". Unbelievable what Chad will get away with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 04:37 PM
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No, it will not happen in the future, as it goes against how we've evolved. It would take tens of thousands, more likely hundreds or thousands or even millions of years to evolve to a state where things are flipped. But we would never get to that point anyway. Because as someone else said, when a country's men are extremely weak and passive, other countries will take advantage of that to invade and seize their resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:46 PM
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In some ways it will be even easier for her than it was earlier, as much of her competition will have taken itself out of the running by getting fat and/or having kids. Well it would if she were in a silo with only women that were her same age. But she's also competing with younger women which you have to take into account. That 30 year old woman will still be likely to find a guy, and will still be more successful in the dating market than an equivalent man of the same age. The downside is she …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:29 AM
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how can there be more women than men in the relationship/marriage market when society is 50/50 male-female? My assumption would be that a lot more men quit trying due to lots of failure than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:23 AM
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Chad doesn't rush to settle down. Nearly all beta men would happily settle down. But the vast majority of 20 something year old women refuse to settle with them, or ever date them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:22 AM
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If it is so important that you get your future wife's 20s, why didn't you propose to any of your college girlfriends? You are single in your late 20s, 30s and 40s because you didn't get married back then. Women are single because their college boyfriends did exactly what you did. I think you'd find that most men would happily do that, but the woman rejected their proposal, dumped them before they got that far along, or the man had little to no success with women period at that age. Those men tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:20 AM
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How dare a woman not make her whole existence about locking down a man in her 20s, amiright? But if a man wants to wait until he's older to think about relationships... ???? Any judgment there? Most men are forced to wait until they are older. When they're in their 20s unless they are part of the top 20% they are ignored by women their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:16 AM
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Those women aren't getting hate. Or at least a lot of what you think to be hate isn't hate. Bringing up that said women aren't desirable isn't hate. Its someone's opinion. Bringing up that a woman in her thirties is less attractive than a woman in her twenties isn't hate. It's a fact. Any logical person is not expressing hate against said women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:10 AM
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Pretty much. A traditional Red Piller like Rollo Tomassi would take the red pill knowledge and use that to stop believing in falsehoods and not hate women for what they can never be. They would recognize that society as a whole lies to men on what they can do to get a woman and work on understanding the hard truths and improving themselves in the ways that while women won't actually talk about, will improve said man's chances with women. The black piller takes that same knowledge, but instead of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:06 AM
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So you're a hypocrite, got it. Women in general are much more attractive than men in general. You have it backwards. Women in general aren't more attractive than men. But it is true that women's standards on men's attractiveness are far, far higher than men's standards on women's attractiveness. That women are picky doesn't mean they are in general more attractive than men. It just means their standards are too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:00 AM
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What I find most interesting is that Red Pill kinda stops once you get a girl, and it assume that once she has picked you, she will stay with you. You clearly know nothing about The Red Pill if you think it stops once you get a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:52 AM
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I think a good rule of thumb to practice is this: Instead of thinking of finding just any woman that will have you, figure out who your dream woman is. What does she do? What are her interests? Personality traits, etc etc. Then, figure out what kind of man she specifically would want. Not what “women want”. What would your dream girl want. Then you support The Red Pill? Because this is a lot of what the Red Pill preaches. Don't accept the horrible advice of "You're fine just the way you are" but…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:50 AM
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It's funny, many of us men would love to act like the way the OP wants men to act, be nice, sweet, kind, respectful, etc... And many of us have been that way and have watched over and over and over again how people like the OP reject such men and instead go for the asshole/jerk. TRP wouldn't exist if not for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:46 AM
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The so called "normal people" you refer to do subscribe to a pill, the blue pill. Are they out there claiming to be blue pilled? Are they posting on blue pill sub reddits? Of course not. But that they're not using the terminology doesn't change the fact that they are blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:41 AM
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Correct. The ugly guy won't be able to ever get to Chad's level but he can put in hard work and improve himself, he also will have to do some settling. And by doing that he will find someone. The issue with the black pillers is they don't want to do that. They don't want to put in the work and they don't want to settle. Hence why all they do is complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:37 AM
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I am open to people finding happiness through different philosophies but from everything I’ve seen I guess I’m skeptical. I wouldn’t want to be with a man who was with me because of my “high sexual market value”. Marrying someone with that mindset seems like a ticket to a terrible life. So you don't want to be with a man who finds you attractive? Because that's all it comes down to. And you in turn don't want to be with a man that you find attractive? "Sexual market value" is a rating of someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:35 AM
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Having read 3 of Rollo's 4 books and having viewed probably hundreds of hours of content from him at this point I just don't believe that he would send twitter followers to slut shame you. I couldn't find the tweet you are referring to either, but I highly doubt he called you a slut as I'm not used to hearing him using that word. Rollo says time and time and time again that the purpose of the red pill is to not hate women. The purpose of the red pill is to cause men to stop believing in the delu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:28 AM
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Most "beta" men (I don't believe in the alpha-beta stuff) are usually good, mostly healthy, moral men with stable careers or have their own businesses. Yes, I would say that describes most beta men. After you take out the alphas and the total other end of the spectrum, the incels, black pillers, etc... what you're left with is probably still more than 50% of men. And these men are generally good men. They live stable lives and would be perfectly happy to settle down with a woman and have a famil…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:36 AM
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This isn't a red piller, it is a black piller doing a hit piece on the red pill. My big question is what value is CBP actually providing? So he thinks that red pillers talk too much about single mothers. So that means he thinks single mothers deserve to have red pillers consider them as possible mates? And that is something he is doing himself right? But that is impossible; he's a black piller. He's thinks any possibility of being in a relationship with a woman is impossible due to things outsid…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:24 AM
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Well its because while they are not as vocal about it as their liberal counterparts, conservative women are still happy to accept all the benefits that feminism gets them. Toni Lauren may claim she's not a feminist, but she totally is one. Hypergamy doesn't care what your political affiliation is. She is the perfect example; there are millions and millions and millions of men out there who would be totally happy to commit to her. She only views a small pool of men such as professional athletes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:45 PM
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I think you'll find that most men are perfectly satisfied with a woman who is an equivalent to them in terms of class and education. It isn't that a woman who has a high paying career or high level of education is scaring away similar type men. It is that the woman only wants to date up. She does not view a man with a similar career level of education as being her equal. She views that man as below her. Also a lot of times its not men complaining. It's them pointing out reality to a woman. If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:39 PM
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Generally that overweight man is with a thin woman because he has a big advantage in another area; namely he has a lot of money or is of very high status. If you have a man and woman of equivalent status, you aremore likely to see a thin man with a fat woman than a thin woman with a fat man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:36 PM
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society is NOWHERE NEAR as hard on men when it comes to body image Reality is that society is far more harsh on men's looks than it is on women's looks. A woman who is overweight gets a fat positivity movement to help her out. A woman who is only slightly above average can get a big following in instagram and other forms of social media. A woman who is average, even slightly below average will have tons of men vying for her attention. On the other hand overweight men get laughed at and are disqu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:33 PM
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It's an unfortunate side effect of how advanced we are as a nation. Technology has gone so far, it has made many aspects of life so easy that we have become hedonists and gluttons. Whereas there was a time when famine was a big problem, we now have an oversupply of food. Technology has made it a lot easier to get by with less and less physical effort. One can stay inside all day on their computer barely moving while ordering food to be delivered and have any supplies they need provided by Amazon…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:28 PM
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So I'd agree that a man can make himself more attractive to women through things beyond physical appearance such as status or money and having those things as a woman doesn't necessarily make her any more attractive to a man (at least a high value man). But overall does a woman have fewer options than a man to be attractive to the opposite sex? Not really. Even when you account for a man being able to improve himself beyond his looks, woman are still only choosing the best of the best. Whereas a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:18 PM
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Well as I said, that's given the choice. There are certainly a lot of women who don't really have a choice; if they want to reproduce its going to have to be with a beta, or they're going to have to choose having an alpha's kid with him abandoning them for his own wife or because he won't ever settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 03:47 PM
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I do consider both my mother and sister to be of very high moral character, but can I exclude them from what I know about women's nature? Of course not. Let's start with how important height is for women. My mother is 5 feet tall. My father is 6' 2. Height matters. Even extremely short women like my mother want a guy in excess of 6 feet. My father has some alpha tendencies, he was a marine, owns his own business, etc... but it is undeniable that decades of being with my mom has pummeled him into…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 06:12 AM
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That is what I concluded recently, males are just disposable, you can easily be replaced without too much effort. Do not take it personally incels, you never mattered even before you became a looser, that is just the way of life. Its why those MGTOWs or Incels who say "Ha! We're finally having an effect! We've shown them!" are delusional. For 95% of MGTOWs and 100% of Incels, no woman cares that you left the mating market. They never considered you a human being in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:45 PM
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What sane woman would weed out 80% of men? All of them given the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:44 PM
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A high value man is not guaranteed to have a high value man as his son though. A lot of betas come from alpha fathers. Especially when the alpha father doesn't stay with the mother and the kid is raised by a single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:42 PM
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Better for overpopulation, the environment, The thing is, for those in developed, first world countries, this is ultimately backwards thinking. The reduced population from first world countries will be massively overcome by the increased population from less well off countries. And its those in the first world who have more of a luxury to care about the environment. So over time the people who would have cared about it get replaced by those who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:28 PM
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The violence doesn't really matter, as shown by how things are currently, although perhaps we evolved this way with the expectation that violence would be a big part of male life. Sperm is plentiful, while eggs are expensive. That makes most males disposable. Females have incredibly high standards for men and in most cases will only reproduce with the very best, whether those men are their only choices due to the rest dying in wars, or whether males are plentiful and they just treat 80% of them …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:25 PM
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The part about not reaching adulthood is irrelevant to the discussion, as the discussion is typically not men in history not reproducing in a silo, but also how that rate compares to women. The women are always far higher at percentage reproducing. Kids dying young should equally impact both sexes. As for many men dying in war, that part is correct. Throughout much of human history, excess men were killed. They died in wars, they were slaughtered by opposing tribes, they were forced into slavery…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:22 PM
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Total bullshit. There's this mistaken notion from both sides (feminists on one end, the traditionalists on the other) that women never worked or weren't allowed to have their own jobs. Not the case at all. That a subset of women in the 1950s when the US had a lot of post war prosperity got to be stay at home wives doesn't equate to all women being forbidden from earning themselves a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 09:39 PM
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That's not hypergamy. What you are describing is simply going for a more physically attractive woman. It would be hypergamy if I dumped women of equivalent looks to trade in a woman who made, say $50,000 a year for a woman who made $150,000 a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 09:37 PM
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Generally, men have a lot more time to find a good fit, and are considered attractive for a good deal longer than women. Correct, men generally hae a larger window than women do in terms of being considered attractive. Although the way I look at it, things are just distributed differently. The fact that a woman from say 18 - 30 is in such high demand is also because women over 30 see the demand for them shrink considerably. When more men want a younger woman, the older women lose out and see the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 09:26 PM
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FDS fails to account for the fact that physical attractiveness is the most important criteria when it comes to perceived value of a woman. If you're unattractive to begin with, no amount of analysis and stratagem will help you in this market. That's why FDS success stories are rare. This is a key differentiator between the two communities. TRP is all about telling you the hard truths. No, "being yourself" will not work. You have no soul mate. Even if you are above average in looks for guys, unle…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:16 PM
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TRP revolves around 2 principles: Women are hypergamous (but so are men so how it’s a surprise IDFK) Men are not hypergamous. You're misunderstanding this part of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:13 PM
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And lastly, FDS for some reason down plays the importance of looks for women. This makes sense given my understanding of FDS (at least based on its reputation); the sub is populated by women who have either aged out of the years when they have the most power in the SMP or are significantly overweight and have by choice put themselves in a much weaker place in the SMP. If they were attractive they wouldn't need to post on FDS in the first place. Unlike TRP, which helps men realize that women care…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:08 PM
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That TRP and FDS exist is because people are unhappy with the dating market. Their mere existence doesn't guarantee that they are effective. Their existence evidences that the common, cliche device, ex. "Just be yourself", "You have a soul mate", etc... is total bullshit. Many people have limited to no success, they want to improve themselves, or at least find a place to vent, and in turn find these communities. Yet there is also the thing known as the "red pill masturbator". The guy who will re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:02 PM
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Being an alpha/attractive and being red pilled don't necessarily correlate with one another. You can totally have blue pilled alphas and red pilled betas. If anything it is easier for an attractive alpha to be stuck in blue pill conditioning because they have always gotten success solely based on their looks. I can see the mindset of "why change my behavior if its working?" when in reality its the looks that are doing everything, not the behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:50 PM
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Hair - Length and quality is very important to me as to if I'll be attracted to her. Hair has to be long or I won't be attracted to her. The longer the better. While I greatly prefer brunettes to blondes, I would never turn down a woman because she is blonde and would never ask a woman to dye her hair unless she was going gray. Nails - Completely irrelevant. I don't even notice them Make-up - Not that important, I prefer the "natural" look although admit that it is likely that even when looking …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:36 PM
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First off, yes, the black pillers, incels, doom pillers, "I'm doomed because I wasn't born 6ft 5 with a model's jaw line!" type guys would do just what a woman in a privileged position like that would do. For those types of guys, by all means, criticize them, they deserve it. Most men in the red pill space aren't that though and aren't pointing these things out to be whining about it. No man is going to argue that a woman who is a 10 in looks gets to ignore lower value and average men and exclus…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 07:09 PM
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For men? Absolutely. You're not going to get by simply based on looks. You also need status, and have to have an appropriate personality. When I say that, I mean an alpha/red pilled personality. If you are a weak beta, for example a man who shares his woes with his woman, the attraction will go away even if he is good looking. Those that say it is all about looks tend to be the black pillers. It is often a cope because they don't want to do the work. For them rather than put in the effort to eat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 05:20 PM
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This could all be solved by having companies be more understanding about having kids in general, encouraging the male parent to take paternity leave and also be the one to pick up his sick kid from school, and discouraging women from caring about wallet size/career in their partner thereby eliminating that part of the male gender role. Well the issue with this last part is companies have no control over that; its an inherent part of women's nature. It's not something that can simply be socialize…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:53 PM
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A terrific point, and I have heard this before and can't believe I forgot to bring it up in my own comment. No matter how much they virtue signal, major corporations care about money, not people. If they could get away with it, they'd instantly fire all their men and hire women they can pay less. It doesn't happen because its illegal to do that and such discrimination the vast majority of the time (99%) doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:48 PM
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It does not exist. The studies that usually show this so called gap are incredibly flawed. They tend to not be studies showing completely equal circumstances where a male gets paid more for the exact same job as a women with the same level of experience. They tend to lump in all compensation men make, compare it to all compensation women make and neglect the fact that men work longer hours, harder jobs, take less time off to raise children. etc... After accounting for those things there is no ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:43 PM
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Funny how women only demand socialism when it comes to money, they are libertarian 100% free market capitalists when it comes to the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 04:51 PM
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While I will mention what I think happens in a UBI scenario, let's get this out of the way first, it is not going to happen. UBI is inpractical, flawed and largely a delusion of those wanting the socialist/communist utopia that has never actually happened nor ever will. Whenever UBI is brought up, such as by someone like Andrew Yang, the amount is never enough to support what UBI proponents want, a society where people don't have to work to support their basic needs (ex. housing, food, electrici…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 04:39 PM
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When women do it, they get waves of sympathy and attention. When men do it, they look terrible. That's what happens when you tell men that women want them to show their emotions. Agreed, but men and women aren't equal. No matter how much the blue pill lie is out there about how men should open up about their struggles, doing so will just make that man less attractive. So they shouldn't do it. Women get away with it, but life isn't fair. Just have to deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 06:43 AM
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The sexual marketplace is a nightmare for a large percentage of men, largely because women are only attracted to the top 20% of men and because society tries its hardest to keep men blue pilled and tell them things that make their chances with getting with a woman even worse. But life isn't fair. And no amount of whining and complaining is ever going to improve a guy's chance with women. Pointing out the facts is fine, but when it becomes whining and complaining I wish they would just shut up ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 06:41 AM
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It's as simple as this, if she finds the guy arousing, there is a spark/chemisty. If she doesn't find him arousing, then she doesn't. Meet her arousal threshold and it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 06:37 AM
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Asking out women that you work with is asking for trouble anyway. I know one can't help physical attraction and I can't say I never asked out someone I worked with, but can speak from experience that it is best to just completely avoid it. There are billions of women out there, one can find one not working for the same company.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 06:34 AM
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No. I never rush women for sex, but the offer for exclusivity isn't coming until it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 06:32 AM
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As slim as possible and hair as long as possible, ideally at least waist length but ideally even longer. And as heretical as it sounds to say as a guy, smaller boobs. Everything else doesn't matter that much. While I do have slight preferences (taller > shorter, dark hair > light hair), I am very flexible on everything else and would never turn someone down for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 06:29 AM
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It suggests an attractive man in his 30s should be generating the same level of sexual interest as a 22 yo HB9 (impossible) Rollo Tomassi, the creator of the graph has spoken to this in the past (I can't think of what exact video(s) or else I'd link to it), but I think you're misreading the graph. The graph is showing the time in a male or female's life when their SMV is the highest. When will a woman be at their peak SMV (10)? When will a male? It's looking at how they go up and down over that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 06:02 PM
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I don't know where men here came up with the notion that "Chad gets harems". No one had harems because they were hot. If you're talking historically, which seems to be the case, this is a strawman. Anyone who talks about harems from hundreds of years ago admits that the harems existed for the elite, the monarchy, the nobles, the wealthy, etc... In the current age harems absolutely exist for Chad. Most women are not wasting time catering to a man just because he's hot. I don't know what universe …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 05:57 PM
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Men can always go pay for a prostitute but they don't because "it's just not the same" which is stupid. Paying for sex with a woman who does not want to have sex with you versus having sex with a woman who actually desires you are drastically different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 04:59 PM
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Well human beings (males in particular) are naturally polygamous. I think the vast majority of people would go through a "slut" phase if there was no consequences to it. For the vast majority of men, they never will even have the opportunity to have a "slut" phase. They have to take what they can get. It is far easier for women to experience a "slut" phase. Absent major physical deformities, any woman that wants to experience it can. Oftentimes the "slut" phase ends for a woman not because it wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 04:57 PM
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Most women are NOT interested in hookups. You left out part of it. Most women are NOT interested in hookups with average men. They absolutely are interested in hookups with Chad. In general I would say non-blue pill men know that Tinder is a hookup app. The complaints you tend to get from men is not that they are looking for a marriageable women for an LTR via Tinder and can't find her. Rather they are complaining that they get little to no matches at all. It tends to be the women that complain …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 05:29 PM
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Nah. Trust me, there’s girls out there who are desperately searching for a guy with half a brain. Who wants to do something cool like go to the museum instead of getting drunk and stupid and watching football or some other boring stupid thing. Agreed, but you're leaving out the most important part, he has to be hot, or none of that other stuff matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 05:26 PM
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In general I agree, dating apps are based primarily on looks, everyone wants an attractive partner, and if you are an unattractive male, don't expect a lot of success. So let's stop pretending that it is anything otherwise, for everyone. Let's get it all out in the open for the general public. Primarily that looks are just as important to women as they are to men when it comes to actual arousal/desire, that women rate 80% of men as unattractive, and that men massively outnumber women on dating a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 05:46 PM
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It's not that women are more attractive than men on the whole, but rather that how the opposite gender views them is totally different. Males view female attractiveness on the traditional bell curve. Roughly 50% of women are above average and roughly 50% of women are below average. Females view male attractiveness on a massively skewed scale. Roughly 20% of men are above average and roughly 80% of men are below average. Also, it is a lot easier for women to artificially improve their attractiven…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 05:31 PM
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Looks, obviously. The whole meme about the Chad and the beta both saying the same thing to a woman, with the former being flirting and the latter being sexual harassment exists for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 01:40 AM
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Well society had this, it was called socially enforced monogamy. Both men and women had to make some sacrifices. The top 20% of men had to be willing to sacrifice a lot of the benefits they have in the sexual market place so the bottom 80% could benefit. Men stayed with their wives long after they lost physical attraction for them. Women had to accept that only 20% of them could get the top 20% of men and the rest would have to settle for someone on their level. People married when they were you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 01:27 AM
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Deep down, most of them are sweet, princess types who want to find “The One,” Your flair says purple pilled, but this is a very blue pilled statement. One of the key benefits of the red pill is that you learn women are not perfect beings. They are human beings with flaws just like the rest of us. The red pill is not about looking down on women, but rather helping men no longer have unrealistic expectations about women. Viewing women as "sweet princess types" is going to lead to big time disappoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 01:19 AM
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I'm a man and I think women should wait for sex to gain respect from their potential dates. I think a large portion of men, even in this community would agree with you on this one. But you're leaving out something important. The issue arises when a woman makes one man wait for sex while not making other men wait for sex. Which happens often, and is often why there is a lot of frustration over the subject. Weight as a factor in SMV is greatly exaggerated. A chubby woman will have no difficulties …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 04:33 AM
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"Have I made myself less attractive?" 42 years old Single mother Overweight Short, artificially dyed hair LoL. Why even bother asking the question? The answer is obvious. Even then, there is no way she has only had 3 dates in 9 years.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/21 05:28 PM
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If one wanted to look up "Man hating feminist SJW" in the dictionary, the picture they would expect to see is an overweight woman with short hair dyed blue, or red, or purple. Her look is the exact stereotype of what men avoid. It blows my mind that she is even asking the question.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/21 05:25 PM
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You have to apply a filter to the "3 dates in 9 years" statement. It's like if a woman tells you she's slept with 3 men over the past 5 years. She is only counting those who were in long term relationships. She isn't counting the 30 men she had one night stands with. It's the same with this woman. She has surely had more than 3 dates in 9 years.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/21 05:23 PM
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Ultimately I don't think it will go that way, the government won't permit it. Even the leftists. More of the population getting into monogamous marriages and having children results in more economic activity. That's what the government wants. A society where polygamy is fully embraced and normalized, only the top 20% of men get women and the bottom 80% of men aren't simply killed (by a war, opposing tribe, etc...) will result in the entire collapse of said society. That 20% of men won't have the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 05:49 PM
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Continued collapsing birth rates. Continued misery among both men and women (for men becuase they can't get a relationship, for women because they can't get the alpha they want because the alpha has been priced out of the market) Continued check out from society. When one doesn't have kids, one is much less apt to care about society as a whole. Eventually said society will collapse and be taken over by another one (ex. China). The question is how long will it take to get to this point. I'd say i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 05:33 PM
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Well first off, let's make sure the wall is properly defined, because it is constantly misunderstood or misstated including in this thread. The wall is when a woman's looks have deteriated to enough of a level that she is no longer able to attract and get committment from the same quality of man that she was in the past. It does not mean she can't get a man anymore; it doesn't even mean she can't get a one night stand with an alpha anymore. But she has hit a point where her younger competition o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 05:29 PM
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How does that make sense in your head when they go from rejecting ,as a group, 30% of men to rejecting less than 5% of men 😂 It doesn't make sense to you because you have the math flipped. A younger women rejects less men than an older woman does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 05:17 PM
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A beta bucks relationship. Women can get that. They just have to be willing to lower their expectation. A woman who is a 3 looks wise can get that beta bucks relationship and a guy who actually loves her if she really wants it. He's also going to be around a 3 though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 05:10 PM
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Those who want immediate gratification without the hard work to deserve it should just be ignored then. Stop catering to children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 05:08 PM
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I take a different stance, men today have set the bar so low that it is easier than ever to get into that top 20%. Think of how many men are out there that are male feminists, or live in their mom's basement, or spend most of their time playing video games. That's a large percentage. It's not easy, it could take years of hard work, but a guy can work himself up and get into that 20% and benefit tremendously. Yes, pick up isn't as easy as it used to be, but then most who are doing pick up are bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:56 PM
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There's a difference between acknowleding the realities of Chad and how you react to it. Women only find the top 20% of men attractive. If you are beta, a woman you've been seeing for six months could dump you in a second if Chad came along. If you are beta, a woman may make you wait 3 months for sex while sleeping with Chad the night she meets him. Those are facts. Nothing wrong with admitting it. As a man, your mentality shouldn't be whining and complaining about how unfair it is that Chad get…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:50 PM
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The median is a better statistic to look at than average. Median is probably closer to 1. When one just looks at the average, the Chad who slept with 250 women this year pulls the number up despite 30-40% of men being at 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:41 PM
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Women are loved for simply existing. The issue is that all women want to be loved by Chad. It is true to say that all women are not loved by Chad for simply existing. Any woman can find a man who loves her. She just has to lower her standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:24 PM
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The key difference between someone who is truly red pilled and an SJW is that a red piller accepts that life is unfair and instead of whining and complaining about it accepts the hard truths of life and works on what they can to improve themselves and overcome any disadvantages they have. Yes, you do have some men who whine and complain to an extent that they come off as SJWs. But this rhetoric typically isn't coming from a red piller, it is coming from a black piller or an incel. A big part of …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 06:22 PM
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'Virginity problem' doesn't exist so it can't be solved. Actual problem is loneliness and undesirableness. Prostitution can't help with that. Absolutely. A large percentage of today's incels could pay the money to hire a prostitute and no longer be a virgin. That wouldn't change the fact that no one actually desires them, which is their biggest issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:58 PM
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I think people often think that a guy being alpha automatically means he is red pilled and will be in to sleeping with lots of women. Which is wrong. There are many blue pilled alphas who will settle down with one woman despite the fact that they could be sleeping with half a dozen at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:56 PM
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As a guy, taking what women tell you when it comes to either dating advice or what they tell you directly as it pertains as dating and taking it as 100% fact. The mantra of don't listen to what women say, but rather follow what they actually do is quite the good mantra. "I'm not looking to get into a relationship right now" is really "I'm not looking to get into a relationship right now with you" "I don't sleep with someone the first month I'm dating them" is really "I'm not sleeping with you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:48 PM
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This 30 wall thing doesn’t even apply anymore looks wise, many women are fit, have great skin and look fine post 30 especially if they use sunscreen have a good diet and are POC. It’s not just about economic clout but better health and healthcare Actually, assuming you are in the west, women are getting fatter and fatter. The fit woman is becoming quite a rarity. Post 30 attractive women will still get more matches and dates than 6’+ fairly attractive men at any age. Than the average man? Absolu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:11 PM
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Exactly. Anyone who claims that hitting the wall means a woman can't compete anymore doesn't get what the wall is, or is purposely lying about it. That 30 year old woman can still compete for men. She still will outdo the average 30 year old man in terms of her options. But what is important, and what is what ultimately matters is that she can't compete with her 20 year old self. The quality of man she used to be able to get, and the level of commitment she used to be able to get from that quali…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:00 PM
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Lastly, 30+ women face more attractive competition from the early to late 20s women. This hurts women's chances of getting a similarly aged HVM since those highly attractive men are also going to be attracting those mid to late 20s women. This is what the wall is. Your claiming of the wall being a cope is a misunderstanding of what the wall is, or straw manning. The wall doesn't mean a woman suddenly has no options when she turns whatever age is designated to be hitting the wall. It also doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:58 PM
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Does the modern 30 year old single woman have more options than the 30 year old single woman from the 1950s? Absolutely. The single 30 year old woman had a lot less options then because most men were married themselves by that age, or had been killed in war. But a woman's expectations were also a lot lower then and people got married and had kids a lot younger so you were a lot more of an outlier as a single person at that age than you would be now. But from the perspective of the wall, I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:53 PM
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You're probably going to be more accepted by modern internet Society, feminists and people of that ilk if that's what you want, you probably won't be accused of any "toxic masculinity" or whatever their phrase of the day is The funny thing is usually it is these beta orbiters/male feminists who are the ones who are accused in MeToo allegations and the like. If its from the alpha, its flirting. If its from the beta, its sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:41 PM
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Men don't intentionally want to be beta orbiters, unfortunately for most of them they have no choice but to be in that role, they view it as the only chance they have at "getting the girl". Or they have been socially conditioned to be that way. There certainly are so called "experts" who are anything but that say you need to become a woman's friend first in order to get into a romantic relationship and that makes many orbiters. For most men it will ultimately lead to unhappiness. But in a market…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:36 PM
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I agree with you that a large part of the MGTOW community is really toxic. And I don’t understand why exactly. My feeling is that incels have largely infected the MGTOW community and that is causing the toxicity. Social media platforms ban incel communities, but the fact is those people still exist. They're still going to go somewhere. So if they can't have their own communities they are going to go into other ones. MGTOW as a philosophy I don't have issues with (although I am not one), but I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 01:54 AM
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I agree that people shouldn't be settling, or at least that is the ideal. But here's the thing, it's a numbers game. Consider these things: Women find 80% of men physically unattractive right off the bat Due to hypergamy, women aren't looking for men on their level, they're looking for men that are at least slightly better than them. What a man would be considered people that match each other, the woman would consider to be settling Women's status in western society continues to rise. Women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 10:40 PM
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There's a lot of misconception (and purposeful lying and straw manning) about the wall. The wall absolutely exists. The wall means a woman has lost enough of her attractiveness to no longer be able to attract the same quality and volume of men that she was once able to attract. The wall doesn't mean a woman is doomed from getting a relationship or that she is worse off in comparison to an average man of the same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 06:26 PM
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18796373/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-opts-contract He willfully stepped away from his contract and a lot of guaranteed money. You can't even spend the 10 seconds it takes to do research for something as simple as this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 06:20 PM
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My advice to you is to go visit a third world country like Haiti, then you'll grow some appreciation for how well you have it in the US/West. Boomers got drafted and sent off to Vietnam. Assuming you are a male you had to register for the draft, but no man has had to worry about being forcefully enlisted for decades. Interest rate for mortgages were well into the mid to high teens versus what, 3-4% today? You have more access to information than an entire city's worth of people from the 60s/70s …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 06:18 PM
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You must have missed all the studies that show for men attraction is a bell curve, roughly 50% of women are viewed as attractive and 50% as unattractive. For women it's roughly 80% of men unattractive and 20% attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 05:39 PM
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Being cancelled is making millions in endorsements from Nike? You do realize that he had a massive NFL deal that he opted out of, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 05:26 PM
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Cancel culture just creates more extremists. Rather than have people from both sides as part of the discussion and hopefully coming some place in the middle, those in power (generally the left) force out as much as possible those that don't agree with them, putting themselves in a massive echo chamber. Those who were forced out don't suddenly die, or change their opinions. They go underground and end up in their own echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 05:25 PM
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Same with tanning. Seeing some women I went to high school with its quite scary now how bad their skin looks, despite only being in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 05:23 PM
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I'm not really promoting a polygamous society. I'm just saying men can have more access to sex without needing to give commitment to women. The disconnect you have is that you are not realizing that its only the top 10 - 20% of men who can do this. The bottom 80% need to provide that commitment to get sex. And because of the dynamics the sexual revolution has caused, the women they would have gotten say 50 years ago, refuse them because they try to get with the top 10 - 20% instead. Either they …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 05:52 PM
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It doesn't make sense that an increase in promiscuity would cause sexlessness. That's exactly what is happening though. Who is getting all that extra sex? Women and the top 10 - 20% of men. The bottom 80% of men maybe sees what, 5% increased sex? Which even then is probably concentrated to the top 5-10% of that 80% while the say, 2% that used to get no sex skyrockets to 25 - 30% if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 05:48 PM
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This is a typical apex fallacy. Yes, for the top 20% (more like top 10%) of men, the sexual revolution has been great. They can have lots of casual sex without commitment, its a lot easier to spin plates, etc... Meanwhile the bottom 80 - 90% of men have seen their prospects shrink considerably. They don't get all these benefits of casual sex and when they do it is quite rare. The amount of men having no sex at all has spiked massively.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 05:45 PM
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However, some people here post the rhetoric about how if a woman sleeps with more than one guy, she loses the ability to 'pair bond'. Which I don't believe. I've heard those stats put out there all the time. My opinion on the matter is one that people don't say often. Is the woman with a lot of sexual partners more likely to divorce, or not commit to one man and marry him? Yes. But the sexual activity is not what is causing that, rather the sexual activity is a reflection of that mentality she a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:45 AM
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Are the girls having hookup after hookup happy, while they're having them? Sure. Let's check in when they are 40. The slutty woman is still unmarried, asking "Where are all the good men?", never getting anything better than a "Friend with Benefits" while the conservative woman is loving life with her husband and children. Urban Liberal sisters enjoy life? Last I checked the liberal women tend to be the ones always raging on Twitter, cancelling anyone they can, acting offended at the most insigni…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:39 AM
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Not really. Outside of very traditional tiny areas and the very rich, no one actually respects the housewife/SAHM status. It's rightfully perceived as lazy and a drain on society. It's negatively stigmatized and looked down on. Especially bc they tend to raise extremely maladjusted children. About half my graduating class had SAHMs... You could tell who they were just by observing how sensitive and childish they were. That's not because they were stay at home mothers. That's because of the way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:20 PM
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There's a variety of factors: Single mother households/boys being raised without fathers and no male role model An increasing mentality in society for Socialist/Communist opinions that increases incentives to be a non-productive member of society and reduces incentives to be a productive member of society Various factors such as social media, dating apps, as well as women's inherent nature have caused a massive increase in the amount of men who don't have prospects for sex or relationships with …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:14 PM
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The complete elimination of social media from society I think would go a long way towards fixing this issue. Of course that is extremely unlikely to ever happen so there's not a point in discussing it in depth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:05 PM
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Also us beta leftists cultural Marxists are firmly against seeing lack of sex as a societal problem that needs fixing. The issue is though that leftists/Marxist/Communist policies implement an ever increasing welfare state which needs revenue to support itself. Growing lack of sex among the populace means lower population, hence less people to pay into the system. Leftist Marxists should be worried about population collapse as much as traditional conservatives are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:01 PM
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First and foremost, one has to go into this discussion knowing there will always be a percentage of men that are sexless; the 80/20 rule will still come into play so even if 100% of men improved themselves, women would still set their sights higher. That said, I do think it is feasiable to look at what can be done to reduce the percentage of men that are sexless. Mass shaming of simping, far more than is done now. All men should be incredibly humiliated to ever simp to a woman, enough so that al…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 05:55 PM
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No, older women cannot be just as attractive as younger women. They can try to fake it, for sure. There's good reason why things such as makeup, plastic surgery, hair dye, hair extensions, etc... exist and are billion dollar industries. Because older women want to make themselves appear to be younger. Because at the end of the day that is what men value. You can poll men from the age of 18 to 65 and you are going to find that if they could have their ideal age, no strings attached, they'd want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 06:11 PM
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The suggestion that women shouldn't be high N, but it's fine for men to be. This is not hypocritical. Men and women want different things from their romantic partners. Men value women with a lower N count. Women value men with a higher N count. Most men, if they were forced to admit the truth, would say they would want a virgin for a bride. Most women would call a virgin male a creep and incel and never give him the time or day. What would be hypocritical would be something like your first state…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 05:38 PM
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So I do agree with you to a certain extent, people love to throw out the Dating App stats about how women only consider the top 10% above average looks-wise, or whatever that number is. They neglect to mention the fact that this data is usually coming from hook up apps, where it is almost all about sex, hence physical attraction is going to be the main factor, and the fact that no man is really going to be able to get his personality through in an effective way through just a few pictures and a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 04:09 AM
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Me personally, no, no pregnancy scares. I do have a cousin who was baby trapped by his long time girlfriend, whom he has been with for many years but refused to marry (and still has). He is essentially what people would call a Chad, at least looks wise, tall handsome and a Firefighter. This "accident" surely was not that and intentional on her part. Although now that his daughter is here he seems very happy to have her and probably wouldn't reverse it if he had the option.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 03:58 AM
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I'm glad women have access to social media which boosts their self-esteem. Well it does the opposite too, many women look at beautiful women on Instagram and get upset that they don't look like that or "can't compete with that" when said Instagram person is in reality using tons of filters, posting only one of the 700 photos actually taken and doing lots of other things to fake a life that is a lot better than it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 03:52 AM
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I think its the opposite, men will continue to get even less social, women will get even more obsessed with social media, and we'll see 80/20 moving more towards 90/10 or 95/5. You've got people of that generation have been raised their entire life with the internet, social media and online dating, they don't know anything other than that. Men being simps, men playing too much video games, etc... all on the rise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 06:06 PM
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It's evolution and how we evolved. Technology has advanced far quicker than biology is able to. Women have a desire for social status/wealth because biologically women are weaker than males and can very easily die in the wilderness when pregnant/with small child. They evolved to be attraced to men who were able to provide such protection and resources. Because men should be able to naturally provide such protection/resources through their own personal efforts, they have no need to seek it from a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 05:38 PM
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Because men are naturally stronger than women are. I don't have the exact link on me, but I believe a national women's soccer team played a team of high school boys and got beat by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 05:13 AM
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Women who are six feet tall or taller makes up 0.17% of the female population. That's just under two tenths of one percent. They're extreme outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 05:11 AM
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I have absolutely no issue with it. As long as she's also thin and feminine, a really tall women will typically be very attractive to me. It's usually the other way around, not that the man doesn't want to date a woman taller than him, but rather the woman doesn't want to date a man shorter than her, or oftentimes, a man who isn't at least 3-4 inches taller than her. I'm tall enough where its never really been an issue; I've only ever dated women who were around my height or shorter but that's s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 05:08 AM
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Men and women value different things in the opposite sex. We're not blank slate equals. A woman prefers a man who has displayed the ability to have sex with numerous women. Women insult men with few or no sexual partners as incels. A man prefers the opposite, at least for a long term partner. As you said yourself, it is a lot easier for a woman to get sex than a man can. I don't think its that difficult. If you want it from a scientific/evolutionary standpoint, its about men ensuring their own g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:58 AM
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It's also about the fact that men's mating strategy is polygamy. They are going to get bored with just one woman. Civilization has tried monogamy and while it was good for society, it is ultimately against our nature. Even when polygamy is legal, very few men can satisfy it with actual women. So porn comes in and satisfies that desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:46 AM
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The attention would have gone somewhere, this is the place those men have chosen to channel it towards. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. If this whole otaku thing vanished overnight, these men wouldn't suddenly become chad. They'd continue to be beta losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:44 AM
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Indeed. People hear about someone like Belle Delphine or Bella Thorne and lose their minds, and whine and complain about how any woman can go on Only Fans and make it big. Reality is the platform is extremely saturated and less than 1% on Only Fans have that level of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:42 AM
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It's depressing to spend a few years in fitness and now climbing legal career... just to outearned by 20yo who puts stuff in her vag :( It is, but the thing to consider is that the woman who can pull that off is an extreme outlier (99%+ will never see that level of success) and that in a market that is extremely saturated and dependent on woman's youth and beauty it is not forever. Someone younger and hotter can come along and knock those in the 1% off their pedestal eventually. The lawyer can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:36 AM
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Virtual strip club is the perfect way to put it. A lot of the money and attention that would have gone to women in strip clubs is going to Only Fans instead. Its the natural progression of technology and restrictions imposed by COVID lockdown.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:32 AM
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Belle Delphine is an extreme outlier. Only Fans is extremely saturated. Yes, there are some women who can make millions off of Only Fans. That is the top 1% of the 1% of the 1%. How many actual women like that exist? 100? Even less than that? Certain women with a high level of fame already (ex. Bella Thorne), or who got in at the perfect time, or who were the first person to come up with a really good idea to leverage their Only Fans account will be very successful. 99% will never sniff that lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:30 AM
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My guess would be it is most likely people seeing comments from blue pilled people and because it is on this sub thinking its red pilled. But this isn't the red pilled sub. It is the purple pilled sub. So you have people from both sides. That some 30 year old guy wants a 20 year old tradcon virgin to marry doesn't mean that is a red pill mantra. It means some random blue pilled guy believes in that delusion. People have to go back to the beginning and start over if they seriously think that its …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 10:28 PM
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The lonely old man thing? At the end of someone's life when they are sick and dying, they are going to be in a miserable state regardless of whether they have a family or not. A young man should not force himself to get married just to avoid the scenario where in 60 or 70 years he'll be lonely when he's about to die. And because the divorce rate is so high, getting married is no solution to that in the first place. Its a greater than 50% chance for it to not work out in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 10:18 PM
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Of course the pill is important, because the OP is saying that this is a claim of red pillers, "many" red pillers in fact. The OP has a total misunderstanding of red pill and blue pill thinking. How does one person at 30 years old suddenly equate to many red pillers in their late 30s and early 40s? The stance of someone who is red pilled would be that this is a total delusion. That getting married in the first place is a mistake for a man, and that any guy who thinks he's going to find his perfe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 10:13 PM
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If they want commitment from a man they have to start settling. At 35 the woman is not going to be able to get the same quality of man she could have gotten at 25, because that man is seeking women younger than her. If they want to stay single, then fine, but then there's no point to the discussion. The Wall only matters in the context of attraction to the opposite sex. Yes, most women can get sex easily even at an older age. But that has nothing to do with disproving the Wall. Reread my comment…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:03 PM
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This post makes me seriously think if a lot of people here even know what red pilled means. The OP is posting about a blue pilled mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:52 PM
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This is either a strawman, or you are hearing this from delusional blue pilled men, not red pilled men. First and most importantly, red pillers are saying that as a man you should not get married, period. Second, I don't think any red pillers have this delusion that suddenly at 40 - 45 years old you will magically find a 20 year old virgin woman who will marry you. The red pill mindset is "she belongs to the streets" or "she's not yours its just your turn". If anything red pillers probably think…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:50 PM
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The issue with these overpopulation thing is that the overpopulation typically is not caused by the advanced society that knows that overpopulation is a problem and wants to do something about it. That society ends up reproducing at less than replacement level while other, less advanced societies have children at higher rates and end up overcoming them with future generations, from a population standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 11:25 PM
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Yes, men age just like women do. But you have to consider how that factors into the overall sexual market place. First off, physical attractiveness isn't as important to a man as it is to a women because men are more focused on looks when seeking a romantic partner than women are. That isn't to say that women will date any guy, no matter what he looks like, but a guy can at least partially make up for depreciating looks with money and status and those things are more important to what women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 11:21 PM
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Men still have a wall. But, importantly: It is later than it is for women Its effect will never be as big as it is for women. Women shine very brightly, very quickly, but for a short period of time. Men don't shine as brightly, but do so longer. Its not as big a deal for most men because they never got the attention women of the same age had gotten, so they're not missing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 11:03 PM
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Those athletes are the top 1% of the top 1% Those athletes accomplish that through having personal trainers, taking HGH, steroids, etc... and tons of things that the average person will never be able to afford. They are still aging. Lebron doesn't look as good as he used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 11:00 PM
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Very few things that a woman could do in the span of a less than an hour to massively reduce how attractive she is. That's one for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 10:59 PM
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You don't understand the wall. There will always be male attention. The level of attention and the quality of those men showing attention will drop. That is the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 10:58 PM
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You're missing the point. They're not doing as well as they were in the 20s. The Wall isn't suddenly becoming undatable. It means you are no longer able to attain the quality of men you once were able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 10:52 PM
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The overall headline no, it is due to age. All things being equal, that is what is driving a woman not being as attractive anymore and those younger than her overtaking her. I agree with the overall point that someone being careful, avoiding the sun, avoiding usage of cigarettes, drugs, a lot of alcohol, continuously exercising and watching their diet, etc... will certainly prolong their time until they hit the wall over people who don't do those things. But we're talking maybe 5 - 10 years tops…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 10:46 PM
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For shaming virgin men, however, its a part of actual toxic masculinity culture. The perpetual dick measuring contest between men requires certain standards to be set for what is or isn't a qualifier. LoL, no. Most of the insulting of men who are virgins is coming from women. It's why women love to call men incels as an insult. It is toxic feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:54 PM
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Because when you really get down to it, from a biological/evolutionary perspective, you exist to procreate. If you don't have offspring you are a genetic failure. Hundreds, thousands of generations of couplings were needed to create you over the millenia, and you terminated it. And you can't produce offspring if you don't have sex. Not that people are thinking of this when they shout out "incel!" at someone, but that's the main genesis of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:53 PM
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And the message they end up sending is... "Hey"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 11:02 PM
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Well duh. That's the funny thing, they make all these rules and conditions that they demand to be followed because they are Queens who are worth it. Yet they'd only actually apply those rules to betas. If an alpha came around and showed interest, they'd dump everything said on that sub to appeal to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 11:00 PM
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It's a sad story, but we don't have enough context. Very little of the article is about his trouble with women, only a couple of sentences, and we already knew he was depressed. Was lack of success with women the sole factor behind his depression? Or was his depression the thing that made it difficult for him to have success with women? If you are going from thinking you may have success to thinking you are doomed with women based on a single article, then you already have the mindset that you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 10:55 PM
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I didn't catch that post, but it wouldn't surprise me. Most women look at those upper echelon men as all men, or at least when they say the word "man" that is what they mean. The bottom 80% are invisible to them outside of when they are lodging insults like "Incel".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 06:23 PM
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It's not that surprising that they are sexualized, males should be attracted to those features that females have that they don't, and vice versa. And they obviously tie in heavily to child rearing. Are they overrated? I'd say so. I'm much more so drawn to a woman based on features like long hair, a slim body, long legs, etc... than breast size.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 06:19 PM
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You have to go back to one of the fundamental things said by the Red Pill. Don't listen to what women say. Look at what their actions are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 05:50 PM
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This is an easy one. Women look at men who are at the absolute top of society, and then act like 100% of men live that kind of life. "Why is it an issue that I have a 3 digit notch count before turning 25? Its not a problem for men!" The average man will have a single digit notch count and maybe increase it by 1-2 per year only if he works extremely hard at it. "What is the issue with me going on 4 different tinder dates in one week? Any man could do the same thing as me!" The average man may be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 05:46 PM
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Here's a concept that may be really offensive to you, and you will be shocked to read it, but I want you to take some time to think it over. It may cause things to make sense. Men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 05:33 PM
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If a woman likes money, leaving her current boyfriend for a richer man is always the right choice. This is the logical equivalent for the OP's proposition for a woman. Makes sense. Either way, you're not going to get a huge percentage of men or women successful with this strategy in real life, even if it is an ideal of the Red Piller or Female Dating Strategy poster. For men, they could pull this strategy off for decades, but its a severely small percentage of men who could actually do it. Proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 06:06 PM
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If he is a pure red pill man who is against polygamy and doesn't want children, then yes, that is the logical plan. Pull a Leonardo DiCaprio and always dump his girlfriend by the time she becomes 25. How many men can realistically do that for decades? Forget the 80/20 rule, we're talking probably under 5%. Maybe even under 1%. More men would do it if they could. But they can't. So they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 06:04 PM
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The reality is that the average woman can land a very attractive man pretty easily with little work if that is what she wants. "hookup with", yes, "land" (which I assume you mean is have a LTR with), not so much. 100% of women want the top 20% of men. If they are pairing up 1 to 1, that leaves 80% left over. Polygamy hasn't become mainstream enough where every single one of those average women can have a LTR with a top 20% man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 05:42 PM
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It is very real, but things are skewed. For a large percentage of the male population, they don't participate. The upper tier of the male population and the female population absolutely participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 05:36 PM
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Married, monogomous upper tier attractive men benefit from hookup culture because it gives them more leverage. Hookup culture increases the value of those men, even if they don't directly participate in hookup culture themselves. A 40 year old man and 40 year old woman are married. Both are of equal level of attractiveness and success in their career. If the wife wants to leave the husband, at that age, he will have an easier time being able to find a relationship than she will. Hookup culture w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 05:34 PM
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This isn't that difficult people. TRP pushes for men to not get married because women have far more power in marriage than a man does given family court, child support, alimony, the list goes on and on. So it makes total sense why Red Pillers would view a male bachelor as ideal, because he isn't in that risky position. For women, marriages benefit them a lot more and it is a lot easier for a women to be in a relationship than a man. So it is a bigger failure for a women to not be in a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 05:27 PM
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Hmm. The thing is, I think a future where public nudes aren't a social stigma means the market is so ridiculously flooded with them that there isn't any value to putting them out there in the first place. Nudes for women on Only Fans earn those women money because the men that purchase them see a certain value in them. And that value is tied into the difficulty to obtain access to a nude woman that they desire to see naked, for some reason beyond the fact that its just a nude woman (because nude…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 05:21 AM
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There is no easy answer, and there is no politically correct answer. You want the birth rate of first world countries to go back to a higher level again? Then you have to ensure that a large percentage of the female population stops focusing on education and careers in their 20s and 30s and instead focuses on being mothers. This includes those women who become mothers having more kids, those women who don't have kids because they waited too long having kids when they are younger, and even having…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 05:12 AM
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All nations don't have to do it. They have to focus on those parts of the world that have the crazy high birth rates in comparison to everyone else. But the thing is, people from those higher birth rate countries have no reason to listen to or follow what people from those other countries want them to do. Especially when they outnumber them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 05:02 AM
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The issue is that the overpopulation is caused by those parts of the world that don't care about any overpopulation issue. Those societies that take it seriously on matters like resource consumption, the environment, etc... are the societies that are far below replacement level birth-rate and hence becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of the world population.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 04:59 AM
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Exactly. Government programs like Social Security require an ever increasing population to be solvent. The problem is that the population growth is going in the exact opposite direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 04:56 AM
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No. People often go to extremes on this topic. They don't understand the law of diminishing returns. They don't understand that the platform is already really saturated and that the vast, vast majority of women these days who would try to get on the platform who aren't already in the sex work industry would get hardly any value out of it in relation to the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 04:47 AM
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You have to consider the negative consequences to it though. And most women know about that. If a woman is only bringing in say, $200 a month from Only Fans, yet to do so she now has nudes online that can easily turn up to embarrass her in the future, screw up career prospects, relationship prospects, etc... its just not worth it. It's one thing if she's pulling in $25,000 a month or something ridiculous, but that is 0.000001% of those on the platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 04:44 AM
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Also the more popular it becomes the harder it will be to find a girl who didn't have an Onlyfans You have to keep in mind the fact that the platform is already really saturated, there will be a breaking point (perhaps its already been reached) where there is no value to a woman getting on Only Fans unless she is that elite of the elite in terms of fame or looks (ex. Bella Thorne) because it is already so flooded with women that it will not be worth it to join the platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 04:42 AM
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For most of them, yes, it will bite them in the ass. You will have those like Bella Thorne who make such a ridiculous amount of money from it that unless they spectacularly blow all that money in stupid ways, they will be set up really well for a long time. But those women are an extremely small portion of those on the platform. You will have some who are still really attractive and will get by just fine as well. the market is saturated massively, there will be very attractive women who have a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 04:39 AM
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Yes. But people often get this wrong, either because they are delusional about it or because they are purposely twisting it to be a straw man argument. A woman's peak SMV is in her early 20s. Once she's past that age she will not be as attractive or fertile again. That doesn't mean a woman instantly goes from supermodel to old crone when she goes from 23 to 24. That doesn't mean its the same age for all women. For some women, they may not face the down slope of their SMV until their late 20s or …
/r/askTRP19/11/20 08:19 PM
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Yes, you can link to it. My comment didn't really address the fate of the lower 80% men as I felt other people had discussed it at length. I don't think sex robots resolves any of the 3 points I had made. I do think eventually technology will be at a level where a combination of sex robots and chemicals/drugs can provide that satisfaction for the lower 80% male. But you still have things such as supply not being able to meet demand and it not being socially acceptable. And when you reach that po…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 08:56 PM
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As often is the case with these "Society should enforce polygamy" posts, there is a lot of logic gaps and misunderstandings that make it completely unrealistic. The fact that your situation requires enforced authoritarianism at super dystopian 1984-esque levels makes that clear. Here are some points I'd add that I haven't really seen brought up: You are assuming that the top percentage of men from a genetic/looks stand point are also the top percentage of men from a wealth and status standpoint.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 05:35 PM
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As Elaine on Seinfeld put it: "The female body is a work of art. The male body is utilitarian, it's for gettin' around, like a Jeep."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 10:16 PM
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I tend to find these manosphere subs fascination with the idea that tall men get all the attractive women a bit false. This opinion primarily derives from those who are incels, black pillers, MGTOWs, etc... Those type of people want an excuse as to why they're not putting in the work to get women. It is not really an opinion of true Red Pillers. If you're a short guy, you can still get women. Yes, the 6 foot guy will have better success than you getting casual sex on a dating app. It doesn't mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 09:34 PM
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Indeed. It always blows my mind when I see people pointing to these studies that say you should get married, as married people are wealthier, as if its the getting married part that makes them wealthier. No, its that women get with the wealthier guys...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 09:25 PM
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I think its more that short women prefer tall men even more than average height or tall women do. To help counteract how short they are. Proof? Well, my dad is 14 inches taller than my mother...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 09:22 PM
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Any guy who understands that chart would know that it is for guys who work on themselves as much as they can during their 20s and is their potential. Those who think that simply sitting in the basement playing video games will suddenly became far more attractive to the opposite sex at age 38 don't understand what it means at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 09:22 PM
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Let's see how the poster reacts when he realizes he's one of the bottom 80% of men that gets no women in his system.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:33 PM
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You have it the exact opposite. Women are forced to settle when there is monogamy. When there is polygamy the women will take sharing the alpha over having the beta exclusively. Instead of 100 men paired with 100 women, you have 10 men with 8 women each, 20 men with 1 woman, and 70 men with 0 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:31 PM
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Women would rather share an alpha than have sole possession of a weak beta. In a society where polygamy is openly embraces, you will see those men having sex become super concentrated, with the vast majority of men getting little to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:29 PM
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Exactly. Polygamy works when a large portion of the male population dies in war or of disease. Polygamy works when women's rights are stamped down on so they have choice but to share a husband with 4 or 5 other women. Why in the world would we want our society to be like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:27 PM
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Moving to polygamy as a society will make the vast majority of society miserable. I don't think you really understand how polygamy works. Here's what would happen: Top 5 - 10% Men - Yes, these men will be quite happy. They will be able to have a large number of wives. Women - Yes, a great many women will get to be with the alpha they so desire. But they will have to share them. In some cases with 4 or 5 other women, if not more. This is not going to make these women happy. There will be jealousy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:24 PM
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I went on a date with a woman once who spent her entire 20s getting her bachelors, then masters, then PHD in neuroscience; she spent 6 months in the field, realized she hated it and went into some arts and crafts field instead. I can only imagine how much debt she's carrying, and its for a degree that now does her absolutely no good. And yet a woman like that would more often than not expect that any man she get with also have a PHD.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:55 AM
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A big reason many people are broke is because of how they spend their money, not because of how much they make.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:51 AM
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Very few white people hate black people. There are some fringe lunatics, but they are just that, people on the fringe. Don't believe what the far left marxists are pushing. They consider it in their best interest for there to be major conflicts on race. That kind of opinion is propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:47 AM
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The one saving grace is that women tend to leave the field earlier: https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/why-women-leave-medicine (to start a family). However, that won't stop medical schools from giving preferential treatment in admissions for women. The plan seems to be to admit more women preferentially so that they can keep churning out more female doctors as the older ones leave earlier. This will create a lot more female MD holders than male ones, with many of the female MDs working part tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:42 AM
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We survived the ice age that the same experts claimed was going to kill us years back. I think we'll be okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:39 AM
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Men and women value different things. Men value women with fewer sexual partners. Women value men with more sexual partners. Its why virgin men are dumped upon as losers while virgin women are valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:36 AM
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Perhaps. But you got to keep in mind that despite what CEO-hating people tell you, being a CEO is a really hard job and you are likely in that spot because you are willing to go above and beyond, which often means working very long hours and NEVER really stepping away from work. If some emergency comes up during the weekend or while you're on vacation, you have to deal with it when you're the CEO. So you already have that in the equation, and the guy is going to want to be with a woman who has j…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:32 AM
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Well, it goes to show that as much as women improve the position they hold in our society, they still will have that hypergamy at their core. A woman who builds herself up to being a doctor who makes $250,000 per year is only looking to marry male doctors who make $400,000 or more per year. So there's an ever decreasing pool of eligible men that these women think is worthy of them. And that male doctor making the $400,000 a year would much rather marry the nurse making $50,000 instead, who is 10…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:29 AM
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My initial impression was yes, charges should be brought against the sperm bank for this. Not against the donor. Its the sperm bank's fault for believing the story and failing to do any background check to verify what he was telling them. As for the women, well I suppose it depends on what they were told about the guy. If a women got his sperm and was told he was a 23 year old doctor who spoke 4 languages, its that woman's own damn fault for believing such bullshit. I don't view it any different…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:11 AM
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This is a good point; what kind of man is really going to a sperm bank to donate in the first place? The successful Chad who women want is generally going to be successful enough where he will never have a reason to go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:07 AM
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Agreed for certain professions, primarily because of a lot of those jobs going over seas (due to factors like government interference, corporate greed, consumer demand for cheaper prices) and illegal immigration. Although there is also a mentality throughout the most recent generations that you have to go to college and doing a blue collar job is below you. So you have a lot of trades that actually do need more men to go in them and they can get a good wage due to shortages. Of course women by a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:04 AM
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Yes. Women have risen in Western society. They are going to college and graduating at far higher rates, are making more money than ever, etc... When these type of women weren't going to college, had a trajectory of more often than not being stay at home mothers or working a less significant job like a secretary, they wanted to date/marry up. Women today still want to date/marry up, but because their position in society has increased, there is a smaller pool of men they are interested in. Add int…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 05:53 PM
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You're coming at it from the wrong perspective. It is not that you shouldn't try to be as attractive and feminine as possible to attract men, you should. You need to look at the men you are aiming for. Those you are attracted in are likely those upper echelon men, the men who a very large percentage of women are interested in. So while you do things to be as attractive as possible towards them, it is not enough, you are not meeting the bare minimum for them to want to date you. Those men who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 05:32 PM
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There is nothing inherently wrong with MGTOW. The main reason you see society/the media push against it is because it is not good for the economy. Men in relationships and men with children consume more, and hence spend more, so there is more economic activity out of it. Men who refuse to get in relationships or have kids, even if they are high income earners, will generally spend less money. This is on both a macro level and a micro level. Some in the MGTOW community would make the argument tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 07:12 PM
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To a certain extent porn may have skewed things for some guys into more extremes (larger breasts, larger butts, larger lips), but at the end of the day, if a real life woman is in front of him, is the guy going to make the same choice? Maybe I'm naive, but I think ultimately most guys would go with the more "girl next door" look in that situation even if they like those extremes when it comes to porn. Personally I just don't get the appeal for the extremes in those areas. If she has a slim body …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:09 PM
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Why work for a career when you can earn $10,000, $50,000 or $100,000 a week on OnlyFans? Only a fraction of 1% of women could pull this off. The absolute top of the market, peak SMV women around 18 - 23 who likely are also a celebrity. Don't apply what someone like Bella Thorne was able to pull off to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:56 PM
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I disagree and view your take as a bit of a black pill extreme. The market is (and arguably will get more) saturated. Every single attractive woman being on there is unrealistic because it will hit a breaking point where there are just too many women out there where they're not all going to make enough money to make it worth it to them. Plus there will be the reputational damage. A lot of woman will not want to accept that risk of being considered a prostitute and having their nudes out there wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:52 PM
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Big fan of tall women, as long as they are also slender (which being tall certainly helps with). I will admit 6 feet 5 for a woman is pretty ridiculous though. I'd have to spend some time in person with her to figure out if I was okay with it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/09/20 03:22 AM
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Men value physical appearance and youth/fertility more so than a woman's education/career. That doesn't mean that education/a career for a woman is meaningless, or that she shouldn't pursue it. But there is a growing sense among women that getting these advanced degrees entitle them to a higher quality man, or that it will result in more romantic success. The problem is they don't understand (or purposely ignore) how a man thinks. They think the thing that attracts them to a man is the same thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 10:38 PM
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The only things in her video I thought she was right on was that men should have a plan, and that women don't want men to be their pen pals. Everything else was entitled feminist nonsense.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/08/20 03:56 PM
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She's complaining in part because the type of men she wants are interested in younger women without baggage. Even though she's only 27 she's hit the wall. She can no longer compete for the type of men she used to be able to.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/08/20 03:55 PM
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Her sub is just dedicated to how hot she is. A few years from now it will be a ghost town as all the subs will have moved on to her replacement. Heck, it may even start now since she has revealed her true self.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/08/20 03:54 PM
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No, this is wrong. As Rollo Tomassi put in his coverage of her video, she would immediately break all these rules if the Chad she thinks she deserves expressed interest in her. The funniest thing about this video is that all the rules she is claiming men should follow apply to the men she would never give a second glance at in the first place.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/08/20 03:52 PM
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No. A woman hits the wall when she can no longer compete for the type of men that she could when she was in her prime. Even though she's not even 30 yet, she is realizing that the upper echelon, top 1% of men that she thinks she deserves would rather have a younger woman without the baggage.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/08/20 03:51 PM
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What most likely happened is that she thought she could upgrade even further (from a guy who was already a former professional athlete, a politician and spent $50,000 on an engagement ring), so she dumped Brandon for another guy. A couple of months passes and she realizes that the man she dumped him for was just plating her and would never commit. Maybe once she started showing attitude he dumped her. So now she's thrown away a really good thing with Brendon for absolutely nothing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/08/20 03:48 PM
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I can do it in two. "OK, Karen"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 01:40 AM
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Would she have gone on this epic a rant if that was the case? The problem is she is shooting for the elite of the elite. She dumped a professional athlete who gave her a $50,000 engagement ring. Even that wasn't good enough for her The men who would be high enough value for her make up 0.000001% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 01:36 AM
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I'm over here like bitch the only reason anyone knows who the fuck you are is because you're pretty you think they have you on for your profound political insights lmfao 10 years from now when someone mentions the name Tomi Lahren, the only reaction that will be given is "Who?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 01:34 AM
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Exactly. Her rant made it quite clear that the type of men she is complaining about are those that have the ability to be dating multiple women at once. How many men can pull that off? 5% of the population? 10%? She's chasing the elite of the elite. And she's not elite enough. Especially with that attitude. Men who can get that many women aren't going to deal with that nuisance, no matter what she looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 01:33 AM
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long blonde hair because blonde is associated with femininity. Long hair, yes, but not blonde hair. Brown, black, etc... all will also do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 01:27 AM
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My theory on things is this. She was engaged to a super successful, handsome man, a professional soccer player and now political candidate who gave her a $50,000 engagement ring... but some other guy who was even better came along. She dumped her fiance and broke off the engagement. A couple of months goes by and the guy she got with dumps her. Never was serious about her at all in fact. Since he's such a top man he's got countless women who are just as if not more attractive than her, and if sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 01:23 AM
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Human beings are not naturally monogamous. They are naturally polygamous. Monogamy came about as a way to stabilize society. For example, let's say you have 5 men, 5 women. 1 is an alpha, 4 are betas. If we went with the natural order of things, the alpha would have all 5 women and the betas would have none. Apply this across all of society and unless there is something that is causing most of those betas to die (ex. war) you are going to have the vast majority of your male population with no wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 04:53 PM
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The male matching their salary isn't enough though, that's the problem. You'd think that now that women are a lot more successful in their careers and making more money, the urge to "marry up" would go down. But it is just as important as ever. So these successful women's standards skyrocket even further, with a net result of more men being left out completely. Its because hypergamy is an evolved part of the human condition. It isn't simply going to go away as quickly as in a generation or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 04:42 PM
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Hypergamy absolutely is still relevant, in fact it totally explains why the marriage rate is plummeting. Women want to "marry up". Because women now are getting more and more successful with their careers, as a regular man making the median income you can't really quality as beta bux anymore for a large portion of the populace. These women still seek a man making even more money than them. And those men who make that much can still quality as that beta bux role. Those who don't either have to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 04:40 PM
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It comes down to class. Hundreds of years ago when that was a thing, weighing more meant the person was more wealthy and powerful. Being skinny meant the person was poorer, undernourished and of limited power.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:05 PM
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I find it pretty laughable that you criticize MRAs/the Manosphere because you perseive them as demonizing women, then proceed to deominize lower tier men, claiming they are obselete. Imagine being told that you are obselete, how would you feel? Lower tier men have one of two possible options. The first is to improve themselves. While there are somethings they will never be able to change (ex. height), there are many things they can. If the man improves himself then he is more apt to get a better…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:02 PM
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when they’re ragging on you it’s usually Bc you’re there trying to fuck them It is also based on whether she considers the man attractive. A Chad can comment on her appearance as much as he wants without criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 04:40 PM
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A man being friends with a woman when there is no physical attraction between the two of them isn't a problem. But if the man is romantically interested in the woman and she friendzones him, it is a terrible thing for the man. Often he will think he still has a chance when he doesn't. So instead of doing what is best for him, focusing on other women and getting over her, he will continue to obsess over her and prevent himself from getting in a real romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 11:37 PM
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I wouldn't so much say that dating gets easier for men; I'd say the market becomes more of a level playing field. Once a woman finishes up high school she enters her absolute peak in the sexual market place and has a massive amount of power. A man of the same age sees his power completely bottom out unless he is in the top 20% of men looks-wise. The gap between the two couldn't be wider at this age. Ten to fifteen years later, the woman is aging, her fertility is dropping and she is losing much …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:29 AM
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Its not that difficult to figure out why. A woman in high school is dating other high schoolers because her boyfriend will be arrested for statutory rape if he is 18+. She also spends a large amount of her time at her high school. So if you are a guy during these ages, you're in a better spot because they can't go elsewhere. That woman turns 18, the entire world opens up for her. She doesn't just have people her own age going after her now, she's got men of all ages interested in her and now she…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:16 AM
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The drop is primarily caused by young men having less sex than ever. The primary factors of that include: People are growing up behind a computer screen or using their smart phone. People's abilities to socialize in the real world has gone down considerably as a result Women's standards have skyrocketed. With the advent of online dating, dating apps and women's upward mobility with their careers and college education, men of the same approximate age range have lost considerable power in the dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:06 AM
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For men, those that have sex is getting more and more concentrated into a smaller percentage of the population. For example, it not necessarily 50 different women having sex with 50 different men but rather 50 different women having sex with 10 different men. Those 40 men left out wanting a woman with as few sexual partners is possible aren't hypocrites. Only those 10 men having the sex would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:19 AM
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In such situations being attracted to the woman is the foundation. If there's a woman I'm attracted to, and she's also highly intelligent and high status, that's a great bonus. But if you take the attractiveness out of the equation the latter things largely don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:15 AM
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Because men and women want different things. To a man, a woman with fewer sexual partners is more attractive to him. To a woman, a man with fewer sexual partners is less attractive to them. Hence the virgin shaming of men, using "incel" as an insult to put down men. You don't get those insults lobbied towards women. From a macro standpoint is there a certain level of hypocrisy with red pillers, as the more sex they have the more sexual partners women are going to have? Sure. But that doesn't mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:13 AM
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A woman hits the wall when her looks have deteriorated to a level that she no longer can attract the same quality of man that she once was able to. This doesn't mean she's completely lost her looks, that she has suffered a major hit in SMV or that she isn't still at an advantage compared to 80% of men. But she is not going to be able to attract the same level of man and more importantly, get commitment from the same level of man that she once was able to. A woman who doesn't take care of herself…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:03 AM
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There's a lot of confusion about the wall; I feel that many don't understand what it really means, while others either purposely lie about it, or use it as some sort of revenge fantasy. When a woman hits the wall it doesn't mean she is unattractive, nor does it mean she no longer has any power in the SMP. A woman hits the wall when her looks have deteriorated to a level that she can no longer attract and maintain the quality of man that she once was able to. I compare it to a professional athlet…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 11:59 PM
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14 inch difference between my mom and my dad, this was certainly important to her!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 11:10 PM
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A great point. 95% if not more of people in those positions should be fired; it would be a good start to helping get college costs down.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 05:54 PM
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Theoretically, teenage girls should be as happy as they've ever been. They are as advantaged as they're arguably ever been; they have massive advantages over their male counterparts in the dating market/sexual market place, they are given special advantages in comparison to their male counterparts with respect to grading, college admission, etc... Technology continues to advance and make life more and more comfortable for people, and so on. Why do they feel that way? Well when the mainstream med…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 05:42 PM
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Football stadiums could be filled with the men who would love to date and marry her due to her Harry Potter fame and good looks. Yet with her raging hypergamy it’s never enough. Only Giga Chads need apply. Oh, but she’s turning 30 and is a raging SJW? They’ll pass her up Cliff a better model then.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/11/19 12:05 PM
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Yes. Men are inherently far more thirstier for women then it is the other way around. Your friends are white nights trying to get in her pants, or considerably beta considering the current environment.
/r/askTRP04/11/19 03:50 AM
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This is pretty absurd. Its one thing if she was 18 years old. She's 26. That means for 12 years she has been taking money from this man now she wants to get rid of him as soon as he isn't useful to her anymore. She's a lawyer now, she should pay him back. She can afford it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/19 03:21 AM
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That's basically the entire premise of the movie "She's All That". Take a girl with model-quality looks, put glasses on her and she's a nerdy loser. Take the glasses off and OMG she's beautiful!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 08:05 PM
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Hey, I remember when I ramoned Julia Allison. Good times.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/06/19 04:17 AM
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Being an alpha is not solely looks. I think of the example of an alpha that Rollo uses in the Rational Male, which was of a high school or college student who had the guts to hold massive parties at his parents house while they were away. Rollo is getting judged as being an alpha because he doesn't have the stereotypical appearance that people are expecting of an alpha, which isn't that fair to him since he's likely late 40's/early 50's.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/19 02:05 AM
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I agree that it is most likely he is getting revenge on his wife. When your wife says she wants to open the relationship she's not doing it for you. She's doing it because she is already cheating on you and wants you to allow it. He realized it and went in this direction to make her regret it big time.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/19 12:54 AM
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He's not an asshole and there's no issue with the age gap. But approaching someone celebrating their birthday party with their friends has low odds of success. He should have taken the hint and moved on rather than pressing the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 12:39 AM
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Red Pill users typically take everything they say as truth by default, and the detractors are the ones who are responsible for proving them incorrect , but there seems to be very little groundwork on showing they are correct. To be fair, much of political discourse has become that these days. There's a preference for echo chambers and startling lack of willingness to listen to the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 01:50 AM
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First, as someone else already said, its not really a lack of eligible men. Its hypergamy. Polygamy and open relationships will continue to be more common. You will see the percentage of men who are having sex continue to dwindle. 50% or more of men will be having no sex. More and more men will resort to "peter pan syndrome". They will play more video games, watch more porn and do other things to check out from society. Their contribution to society will continue to dwindle. Eventually the econo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 01:46 AM
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I bet a lot of the reason women are having more sex is because women are more likely to be bisexual and are having sex with each other. Its more that there are more men taking up a large percentage of the market. Whereas in the past perhaps 30% of the men had 60% of the sex, now its 15% of men having 80% of the sex, leaving say 55% having the other 20% and 30% having none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 03:37 AM
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Video games, no. The vast majority of the time, if you took away the video game, the dateless loser would replace it with something else. Reading, watching TV, etc... The video game is there to occupy the time that he is not spending dating. Porn? For the most part, no. I think there may be a very small percentage of men who may try harder if it wasn't there, but overall it is negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 03:35 AM
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Or a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 03:31 AM
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I'm more interested in a discussion about the impact it will have 10 or 20 years from now. Complete collapse of the west, mostly likely, although I'd say that is longer than 10-20 years away. Native population continues to go down as women's standards continue to rise and more and more men have less sex. On a micro level, more men will resort to things like video games and porn to keep them happy. On a macro level, given that our society is increasingly in debt and with government programs becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 03:24 AM
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Women only seek out the top 20% of men; if the average man were to become wealthier through this, wouldn't women just re-adjust and elevate their requirements even higher, at least as it pertains to income?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 03:17 AM
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Women liking taller men is not sexist. Height is one of the things that women consider when determining whether a man is attractive. Likewise, men liking women who are not ugly is not sexist. Men want to be with a woman who they are attracted to. Why does this come up in conversations and debates? 1 - When women price themselves out of the market. If a woman is demanding a man be over 6 feet to be in a relationship with her, she's already knocking off 85% of the male population. Then when you re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 02:31 AM
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Now, TRP tells you that men are in their peak in about 35-40. I wouldn't say TRP is wrong, but the message TRP sends is false. Men become better not because they get older, but because older men have higher status, better personality and maybe more bucks. No one who is actually red pilled is claiming that men have increased SMV at 35 versus 25 merely due to them being 10 years older. It is because over those 10 years they have worked on increasing their social status, career, accomplishments, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 01:27 AM
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Well you've got to remember that from her perspective, any man who is below an 8 isn't human.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 01:02 AM
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You are making the common mistake of thinking men and women are the same and have the same preferences. They are not/do not. Youth and beauty in a mate is more important to a man than a woman. Utility in a mate is more important to a woman than a man. And there is a biological time limit for women that is much harsher than what it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:58 AM
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For a beta perhaps. Any properly educated red piller knows that women are far, far, far more harsh on attractiveness of the opposite sex than men are. Women find 80% of men unattractive while men rate women on the typical bell curve with 50% unattractive and 50% attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:53 AM
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Many men refuse to have anything to do with a woman who isn’t a virgin. LoL, no. Most men do not care. Red pillers may not marry such a woman, but would still consider a relationship with her if she checks off other boxes for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:42 AM
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Yeah - but there has never been a time where there were enough jobs for everybody during my lifetime. There never has been and never will be. There will always be a percentage of the population who is unemployable. Right now we have record low unemployment as stated. Of all times to be able to find a job, it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:39 AM
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There being a shortage of good men makes a lot more sense when you realize "good" means being a top 20% alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:37 AM
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Well the thing is, those betas texting her aren't even considered human in her eyes. They're invisible to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:32 AM
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"Good men" as described by women tend to be assholes, as they are Chad. Women aren't referring to betas when they say "Where are all the good men?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:29 AM
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80% of women just want the top 20% of men. I corrected the typos in your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:27 AM
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LoL. That's what it is for women. For a guy, you need to be in the top 20% or you are invisible to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 12:25 AM
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Hypergamy is a net benefit to evolution. I would argue it is not for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 11:58 PM
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This sounds like a strawman argument to me. First, when this woman says she can't find a "good man", she does not mean the nice middle class man who was madly in love with her when she was young. She means Chad. Second, the argument that the manosphere makes (at least properly educated red pillers) is not that this woman won't be able to find a "nice middle class man" i.e. a Beta. She will be able to find one, no questions asked. It is that she won't be able to get the same level of commitment f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 11:52 PM
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I gotta be honest, I don't find this one that bad. She isn't attracted to him physically. She's explained why. He used to be super fat and the excess skin is disgusting. He doesn't do a good job dressing himself or putting effort in his appearance. He's got self esteem issues. He's got a lack of experience. The sex didn't go well. And if her story is to be believed, I think he may already be putting her on a pedestal. Four dates, in one week? Asking her to be exclusive with him this quickly? Wit…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/19 11:19 PM
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That's not the situation though. Someone displaying pedophile-type activities will be viewed as a creep regardless. When "Chad" approaches a woman and says certain things or behaves in certain ways in an attempt to go out with her, then "Billy Beta" does the exact same thing, what is the outcome? Chad gets laid and Billy Beta gets called a creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 04:48 AM
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Hold on, I think the story is missing the final paragraph. "Throughout my divorce proceedings, I did at least take solace in the fact that this provided me and Liam the opportunity to be together. I still had the passionate sex with him to look forward to. But when I asked Liam about moving in with him, he shattered my world even further. He told me he had a lot of fun with me, but he just couldn't see himself getting into a formal relationship with a woman who was a cheater. He just couldn't ha…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/19 08:28 PM
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They aren't complaining about it? The whole meme and entire subreddit of "Where are all the Good Men?" wouldn't exist if that was the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 02:43 AM
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1) If it comes to casual sex, then this is correct, most if not all men will not care. When it comes to commitment, they will care a lot more. 2) Youth and looks are almost certainly more important than virginity to the vast majority of men, but let's not act as if it is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 06:06 PM
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How is it any different from men having sex with different partners in different relationships? It isn't, a feminist could make the claim that "Your boy isn't really yours, its just your turn" and it could be true. But that is forgetting that women and men are not attracted to the same things, by and large. A women with less partners is more attractive to a man. A man with less partners is less attractive to a woman. At least most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 05:55 PM
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I don't think red pillers want everyone to become an alpha. Women are only attracted to the top 20%. If everyone attains that, then the market resets and women are only attracted to the super alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 05:52 PM
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1) Everyone, both genders, are judged on their looks, this is completely unrealistic. 2) A true red piller (not a blue piller or MGTOW) doesn't do this. They simply point out the reality that hypergamy is real and very important and that the higher a woman climbs career wise, the smaller and smaller her pool of desirable men shrinks, while said desirable man typically could care less about her career.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 05:40 PM
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I was able to date my dream girl, a woman I had been crushing on big time for a couple of years. Didn’t work out and is a big reason why I discovered the red pill. I think you’ll find many had a similar experience. Who wouldn’t give up the red pill if they could be with their dream girl? Problem is that is not reality. If we could all be with her it would be because the reason for the red pill would no longer exist. As for AOC, she is quite attractive, crazy eyes aside. I would argue that and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:39 PM
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First and foremost, there are only so many "playboy bunnies" and "supermodels" around. Most doctors and lawyers don't have a chance with such women, they are pursuing professional athletes, actors, powerful CEOs, billionaires, and the like. The typical doctor/lawyer maybe in a higher status than 95% of the male population, but said women are seeking the top 1%. Second, a doctor or lawyer probably could get a 8+ in the 18-24 age range, if he is fairly close to that in terms of looks himself. A ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 05:18 AM
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I think it depends on the circumstances, and the type of man she is with. There are guys out there that do not care about a woman's sexual history. There are men out there who want to be with a woman who is really experienced sexually. And for them, well then it doesn't really matter, and they can leave it out. The problem is those women in relationships with a guy for whom it is important that she has not slept around a lot. There are many men for which it is important. And for those women who …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 05:05 AM
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I'll respect her for this at least, staying a virgin until marriage is immensely rare, especially for someone who likely got access for hundreds if not thousands of opportunities by now. I saw her on Big Brother which just ended this week, and is why her name is in the news again. She was an absolutely repulsive personality who was extremely unlikable by both the people in the Big Brother House with her and the viewing audience. She was referred to as a "goat", which in Big Brother means a conte…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/02/19 09:23 PM
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She is a successful, gold medal winning athlete and while not stunning, is at least better than average in looks. That she is still a virgin at 36 points to major flaws. She could have very easily had a husband by now if she had realistic standards. Yeah, her odds are less of cheating since she hasn't rode the cock carousel. But if she couldn't get a LTR in her teens, twenties and early thirties, there's a big, big reason why, and her odds are not improving as she continues to age.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/02/19 09:14 PM
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For most women, yes. I think if they were really, truly, 100% honest, a majority of women would say that they would be happier if they didn't have to work, could be a stay at home wife/mother, had their boyfriend/husband paying for everything, etc... Especially nowadays with advances in technology that make the type of domestic duties women would do far easier. Yes, there would be some women for whom this doesn't work out well for them, those that are obsessed with being "strong and independent"…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:41 AM
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I agree that one can look at the red pill philosophy and find a certain level of hypocrisy to it. The desire is for virgins, or those with low notch counts, yet the philosophy encourages actions that will lead to more casual sex, which will reduce the number of women who are virgins and of low notch counts out there. I guess the counter to that would be that if you look at it from a macro level, if the woman wants to have sex, she is going to have sex. If you turn her down, thinking you are doin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:29 AM
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Women past 25 have trouble finding a guy because the guys they're into are still chasing 20 year olds. Its not so much this, as there is such an insane amount of thirsty guys out there, and the vast, vast majority of men would not consider a 25 year old too old anyway. 25 is still high value for a woman. What would be the case is that the woman's odds to get a high value Chad to commit are lower at 25 than they would be when she was 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 06:42 PM
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Anyone who looks at that SMV chart and thinks that a man's SMV just goes up automatically clearly hasn't read how that chart was developed and why he structured it that way. You reference a "naive red piller", but I would argue someone with that mentality is still a blue piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 06:31 PM
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Exactly. The whole reason a man's SMV goes up in his 30s is because he has had time to build his career and social standing, make good money, etc... and those are very important to women. A man who doesn't do any of that will just see his SMV continue to go down in his 30s much like a woman would.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 06:29 PM
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You are making the same mistake that many women usually do in thinking that men and women are looking for the same thing in their romantic partners. Youth and beauty has far more overall importance to a man when seeking a woman than a woman seeking a man. Not that women don't consider looks, but this is because women also demand so many other things beyond just looks (after all, women find 80% of men unattractive while men rate women on a standard bell curve). He can't just be handsome, he also …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 06:27 PM
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Can't keep track of how many times I've seen "I don't know why it says I'm 22, I'm actually 34!" Another popular one is "I'm not sure why it says I weigh 110 pounds, I actually weigh 180!" Oh wait, that second one doesn't come out until you actually meet her in person.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/02/19 06:18 PM
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I wouldn't say hypergamy is inherently bad. Hypergamy is human nature, tied into biology and how we evolved. Where the problem is coming up is that more and more women are entering the work force, as the college population becomes more and more unbalanced in the favor of women, you are seeing a higher and higher percentage of women with more education and higher paying jobs. And that on its own is not a bad thing, if anything its a good thing. But when said women still have the same mentality th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:15 AM
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I don't see the paradox. Feminism is about power for women. Youth and beauty for women is power. There are significant benefits a woman will get when she is young and attractive that she will not get when she is older. I am not making any statement to the effect that a woman's value is solely tied to her youth and beauty, but make no mistake of it, an attractive woman in her late teens and 20s has significant advantages in current western society, which will fade as she gets older. Of course att…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:06 AM
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I wana have just as much fun in my 30s, I just don't wana do it alone. And you will, try at least (with Chad). But we all know whoever you are in a formal relationship with won't be having that fun. They'll be getting "I'm not that kinda woman anymore".
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/02/19 02:37 AM
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Math can be misleading. First and foremost, as always is the cast, the women participating in the polls measuring this are not accurately reporting their actual number of partners. So they will claim they have had 5 partners, when in reality they have had 40. Second, remember the 80/20 rule. In the past maybe the average male had 8 partners, while Chad had 20. Now? A full 50% of the male population has has 0-1, the more successful 30% had 3-4, and the 20% Chad has had 50.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/02/19 02:14 AM
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For a male, his SMV will improve into his thirties, but that's if he's working on improving himself. Loafing around, not becoming accomplished in his career, getting overweight or losing his hair, these will cause his SMV to just go down further than when he is in his twenties. Anyone who spouts off about their SMV improving in their 30s automatically has clearly not educated themselves enough and is still in a blue pill mentality. And those who get upset at not "bathing in pussy" in their 30s a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/02/19 08:44 PM
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My argument would be that someone isn't really red pill if they get upset at women being attracted to Chad. Getting mad at that is still a blue pill mentality. If you are truly red pill, you accept reality as it is. Women are more attracted to Chad. Women find 80% of the male population invisible when it comes to the sexual marketplace. Those are facts. You're not truly red pilled until you accept them, unemotionally, as fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:03 PM
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I feel that those are mostly strawman arguments. A huge percentage of rape allegations are false allegations. When such a large amount of allegations are false and/or have no evidence whatsoever, then yes, the conviction rate will be minimal. Claiming that young people have to be taught that they need permission to ejaculate on someone's face is painting men with a broad brush and acting as if something a very insignificant percentage of men would do is something that they all do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:56 PM
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