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Yeah man, one step at a time. Well done for breaking through! AA can be a bitch and there's only one way to deal with it.
/r/seduction05/07/16 09:55 PM
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Ask her about topics you're interested in, e.g. "do you like Tarantino movies?" etc. This let's you build/find commonalities. Otherwise, you can make assumptions about the type of person you thinks she is or mutual topics you've discussed before.
/r/seduction05/07/16 09:49 PM
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Very Important. Just try to develop the habit of putting your balls on the line, e.g. making sexual statements to her, not hiding your intentions etc. If you do that + not freaking out after she doesn't immediately show validation or approval, she'll probably be trying to hide the fact that your attractiveness levels are going through the roof. Just to sum up: Intent + Non-Reactiveness (i.e. not freaking out based on her reaction) = Attractive Intent + Reactiveness = Approval Seeker/Desperate No…
/r/seduction05/07/16 09:46 PM
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Absolutely!!! You've heard of the learning curve right?
/r/seduction23/06/16 08:08 PM
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Whisper something in her ear under the pretext of wanting to tell her a secret. This is assuming you're sitting next to each other (i.e isolate well). Tell her you think she has sexy lips/eyes hips etc. Gauge her response quickly, look her in the eyes if you think it's good and slowly go in for kiss. If not just pull back and make more comfortable small-talk/change topic and try escalating again later.
/r/seduction23/06/16 08:04 PM
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Good luck dude! Can start off with mixing in some verbal escalation, make comments about her appearance/behaviour. E.g. I think you've got quite a sexy laugh or you've got really nice eyes etc. Then you can slowly introduce physical. Just Do It!
/r/seduction23/06/16 07:59 PM
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Baby steps. Can bring up sexual topics in a humorous way first of all (planting a seed) e.g. can you imagine so and so having sex, what kind of faces do you think they'd pull etc. Then can make cheeky comments about her like by the way nice arse. Add kino etc. If it seems like it's going well you can slowly amp it up to more serious/seductive escalation.
/r/seduction13/06/16 10:35 PM
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I'd say be respectful and cordial, but also don't try and make out that you're their best friend. Try and find something to connect with them with if that's what the situation calls for, otherwise just talk to other people you have more in common with.
/r/seduction13/06/16 10:31 PM
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Approach/wink back.
/r/seduction07/06/16 11:25 PM
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Yeah, should probably move on. Sounds like you telegraphed a bit too much interest.
/r/seduction07/06/16 11:23 PM
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My favourite: if you're sitting side by side, lean in and whisper something in her ear. Could be sexual or a "joke"/secret, either way gives you a good idea of how receptive she is after depending on how she reacts. If the reaction is neutral don't worry this isn't necessarily bad, sometimes it's just a test or she's stuck in her head and doesn't know how to react.
/r/seduction02/06/16 09:39 PM
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The problem with "elevator pitch" is your framing yourself as the seller not the buyer. Unless you can approach the situation with a more equal footing than it's going to be an issue. Think of the associations with "elevator pitch", your rushing to make your pitch, you want something from the other person etc. Again, you could probably build rapport do light flirting in this kind of situation, but definitely don't think of it as an elevator pitch.
/r/seduction02/06/16 09:28 PM
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Yeah, just focus on vibing and you can throw in a couple of subtle escalations/compliments about her to see how she reacts, not really gonna be able to do much more than that in an hour unless your super advanced.
/r/seduction02/06/16 09:24 PM
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Always good to practice flirting. I guess if she's responding well to it you could joke about the idea of looking her up on Facebook later and asking her out, this would have to be quite calibrated though. Then see how she responds if you read her body language and she lights up at the idea that's a signal to follow through.
/r/seduction01/06/16 12:02 AM
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Well done!
/r/seduction31/05/16 11:59 PM
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Yes, but if you can develop the emotional side of your personality where you can relate/empathise with people a lot more, this will work way better. Not saying you need to be overly sensitive, but having this part of your personality mixed with a strong character and direction in life will get girls' thinking about you all the time. Girls' dig emotional intelligence way more than just intellectual intelligence.
/r/seduction31/05/16 11:56 PM
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The best advice I can give really is that the more bullshit and hard to handle experiences/situations you throw yourself into, the less you care about small issues like what someone thinks of me. E.g. If you've been in war and seen people being killed and go back home and someone says something mocking your jacket, you're probably not going to give a shit compared to some guy who's never left their home town and places weight on other's opinions. Not saying you need to join the army, but if you …
/r/seduction31/05/16 11:50 PM
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One thing I've learned, when you try to cover up your insecurities/hide things you're uncomfortable about it usually backfires. I'd suggest trying to be honest with this one, pretty much try telling them what you've told us here: you were going through some shit/you did something you're not proud of/but now you've worked through it. Even though it's an uncomfortable topic, the amount of trust you build with a girl (or anyone) over this is huge if you can just be straight up. You literally separa…
/r/seduction29/05/16 12:08 AM
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Ok dude, I'm assuming you've kissed her and stuff. Just escalate when you're in a private place (have condoms ready). Start kissing whilst watching a movie or whatever, then slowly start rubbing her legs and stuff, kiss neck etc. Just foreplay. Do this for 5-10 minutes, whilst slowly undressing each other, with the excuse that she's got a nice body etc. And then you should get to the point where the next logical step is to have sex. She should be aware that you want to have sex at some point. If…
/r/seduction28/05/16 11:31 PM
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Dude, to put it bluntly your mind is just rationalising itself out of putting itself in fearful situations i.e. approaching because I'm a student etc. Everyone does this and there's only one way to stop it. Do the thing that's scary, continuously. That way you begin to build momentum and it takes off from there. That's definitely been my experience so far in this. Always ask yourself is my mind tricking me into taking the easy way out i.e. avoiding the hard thing that I know I should do? Once yo…
/r/seduction27/05/16 11:53 PM
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Yeah man this is good advice and helped! One thing I've noticed that helps is to visualise the girl smiling and responding friendly to your approach just before you actually do it. Subconsciously, because your expecting a positive response you won't telegraph as much fear, instead you'll be more friendly/calm. Something I've learned from this is when we expect an outcome either positive or negative we usually get it.
/r/seduction27/05/16 11:44 PM
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This is a common issue and one I struggled with loads and still do a bit. The main thing is you don't want to ask questions and turn it into an interrogation. Where you from? What you doing etc. Turn the questions into assumptions. E.g. you look French. Or you look like you've just done something naughty because you've got a bit of a cheeky grin. This gives the girl content to respond to.
/r/seduction27/05/16 11:39 PM
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Dude, when I was your age I went on a Spanish exchange we had a bit to drink and even before I knew about PUA or what have you. We just went up to random girls and asked silly questions, because we were laughing so hard they found us funny. Moral of the story, try to have fun and not take it so seriously.
/r/seduction26/05/16 10:55 PM
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Best advice talk to loads of people guys/girls attractive/less attractive. Good for building social skills and you won't come across as "that guy".
/r/seduction26/05/16 10:49 PM
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From my experience this stuff is anything but easy in the beginning. Learning new behaviours/skills is hard at the best of times, but when attractive women are directly judging you at the same time on your potential as a mate, it doesn't help matters. Having said that just embrace it as a challenge and a bit of fun and try to use commonalities to make a cold approach warmer e.g. sharing information on the cruise destinations etc.
/r/seduction26/05/16 10:47 PM
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Most of it is role models dude. Society has become metro sexualised and this does men no favours in getting laid. There's loads of films with proper masculine role models and guys on YouTube: Fight Club, Pulp Fiction, 300 + guys like Dan Pena/Donald Trump on Youtube. If you watch a load of that shit it'll rub off subconsciously. This is more powerful as you become what you surround yourself with, so instead of trying to walk/talk more masculine you'll feel more masculine and it'll just exude its…
/r/seduction26/05/16 10:40 PM
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Mystery Method is a classic for the PUA community, a lot of top guys refer to it as the bread and butter of pickup.
/r/seduction26/05/16 10:34 PM
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Well it'll generally be longer, but it's more of a 10-15 text back and forth over a shorter period type conversation. Or perhaps you could try the opposite make it really shallow and silly still "unboxing" it but by being ridiculous. Just play around with pushing boundaries and slowly taking it in different directions.
/r/seduction02/05/16 11:25 PM
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Yeah it's common, this was something I struggled with quite a bit. Basically, just make more assumptions about her, also watching loads of infields helps as it gives you ideas of what to say etc.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:42 PM
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It's definitely a case by case thing, there's no right way. As a man I can be attracted to both archetypes so you have to choose the one which is more natural/resonates with you more at the time. As for the appeal of innocence, I think tastes change with time, for both men and women.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:37 PM
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From everything I've come across and heard, the right thing to do is usually the thing you fear most. I guess to make some kind of move, spark conversation anything.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:32 PM
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Wow man, great question. I mean this conversation could go in so many directions. Essentially, in my humble opinion, I believe that this is just an offshoot of the urge to be accepted in society and to "go along to get along" mind set, not rocking the boat too much etc. To some degree. If you want to go back to ancient cultures where men had to fight in wars and risk all kinds of bullshit as well as having rites of passage to put them through turmoil and make them mentally stronger, we've defini…
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:29 PM
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Yeah, what most people here are saying. If you're interested in comics for example go to a comic event, this way you have a shared interest with the people there and don't have to be "weird" because you can talk about comics or what not to start a conversation.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:19 PM
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There's a guy called RSD Jeffy, who refers to going home when you've just been bantering and "friendly" with her the whole night and then all of a sudden you start escalating, he refers to it as the "surprise I have a penis" method, which doesn't work so well. Instead he suggests, slowly building up the escalation over the course of the interaction, i.e. little sexual compliments mixed in with banter.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:17 PM
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Yeah, from my experience and all the advice I've seen you probably need to escalate more and slowly begin to make it clear what's happening, by being unapologetically man to woman.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:13 PM
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Well something that's worked well for me in the past is to ask deeper more meaningful questions, i.e. stuff you talk about with close friends, about the universe/life/god etc. Generally, any conversation which is less out of the box becomes interesting. Otherwise, something else which appears to work well is talking about new things in your life the future etc.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:11 PM
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Use the back of your hand to lightly brush against her arm etc. when emphasising a point.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:03 PM
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When I was doing a lot of approaches, I'd go home after and write mini reports describing what went well and what didn't to spot patterns, definitely helps. Mine were the usual as far as I can remember, approach anxiety, being uncomfortable teasing/breaking rapport, waiting for the "right" time to escalate etc. Identifying the issues and finding online videos covering them helped a lot.
/r/seduction01/05/16 09:00 PM
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100% right attitude from you. Stay strong. Stay black.
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:44 PM
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Most guys are nowhere near to getting kicked out. And you probably want to push it to the point where you are getting noticed. I've never been kicked out. You'd have to be pretty uncalibrated for this to happen. Just approach, if you get kicked out they'll forget you in a few months and you'll learn a tonne from it.
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:40 PM
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Well done man. It's all about having self respect and sticking to your boundaries. Although, it can go too far the other way whereby you're extremely rigid and strict with others, so watch out for that. It doesn't end well that way either.
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:38 PM
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Love it.
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:35 PM
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It happens man. This is all part of the process, you need to go through it. Eventually, you become indifferent to this shit to the point where it hardly registers emotionally.
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:33 PM
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Some guys were asking this question yesterday, thought I'd provide an example of how you go about it. Enjoy.
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:29 PM
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Write down three areas you think are probably the problem. Find solutions for them from online etc. Work on them. Keep doing this for a while see if you notice an improvement. If not pay an instructor to check your out.
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:27 PM
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This is what this thread reminds me of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=288nu2J-6Q8
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:24 PM
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Next time try, just being totally calm when they start having a go at you and matter of factly say "I thought you were both hot, what's the problem?", just flip it and make it seem like it's no big deal. In my opinion it isn't. Showing backbone in these types of situations will probably help you get laid more. You could even start joking around and saying "don't tell me you've never thought of having a threesome", it can start off as a joke just mocking them and self amusing, but if you hold the…
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:21 PM
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You're a fag. Would you like us to tell you what to think as well, and start an internet campaign to give you money. Look around you most people are average, if you want something more you have to do it or just shut the fuck up and settle. Go suck a dick.
/r/seduction06/03/16 06:13 PM
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Probably not what you're studying. You're reading into it way too much. I'm a guy who's been in this a while and I feel pretty abundant with girls. I can be texting a hot, young, intelligent girl and then not reply for months. Not because she did anything "wrong" per se, but because I have options and if her reply's are quite "ordinary", I can get bored quite easily. Just need to build up more experience, be a little bit different. Have conversations which are just a tad more edgy and exciting. …
/r/seduction05/03/16 09:04 PM
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At the end of the day though any opener you use depends on how confident you are when you say it. The time question can work. I understand that when you're nervous though, you just want to get in the habit of a few throw away comments to different people (which aren't going to have a huge impact), just to build confidence until you feel more confident.
/r/seduction05/03/16 08:49 PM
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You can start by making low investment/risk comments/questions e.g. "is it a long wait to get drinks at the bar?" or one I used to like to use "do they serve water at this bar?" it's a stupid question but said in a cheeky/flirty way it can work well to get you in a conversation, because the girl can kind of tell you're hitting on her, the fact that it's so bland as an opener makes it quite funny/charming (if you have a slight smile on your face), and also it's probably very different to what mos…
/r/seduction05/03/16 08:46 PM
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Yeah, best thing to do is to ask them about them or even better make assumptions about them. e.g. instead of "so what do you like to do in spare time?", can say "you kind of strike me as someone who loves Game of Thrones/Twilight etc.". Then you'll either be right or she'll correct you, usually giving more information. Once you find a couple of commonalities or areas of shared interest you can start talking about them etc. mixing in teasing as well.
/r/seduction05/03/16 08:42 PM
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This is very good advice, but don't overdo it. It's good because it get's their attention when you say it, builds familiarity, shows that you remembered. And yes, people like to hear their own names. Like anything it's good to a point until people start relying on it as a crutch.
/r/seduction05/03/16 08:38 PM
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Congratulations. Welcome to the club. Don't expect to hit a home run on you're first try. The opener was pretty safe/bland, but I won't be too harsh seeing as it's you're first approach and it takes guts. My reply probably would've been along the lines of "small world" + smile. Remember whatever you feel they feel. If you're weird about it she's going to feel weird and walk off. The key with pickup is to get to the point where pretty much nothing phases you and it's just water off a duck's back.…
/r/seduction02/03/16 11:19 PM
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In my opinion, just don't make contact until you're free. Leave a vacuum. If you hit it off she should wonder about you. Then when you get back in contact you demonstrate that you're busy, not prioritising her and non-needy. All attractive qualities.
/r/seduction02/03/16 11:15 PM
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Inner game is just having the mental strength which is congruent with the strong, confident, stable exterior you're trying to present.
/r/seduction02/03/16 11:13 PM
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Do it. It's good experience.
/r/seduction02/03/16 11:12 PM
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Once they're in the taxi and he tells the driver the address to his... Hamburgler: where is that? Jeffrey Allen: hotline bling.
/r/seduction27/02/16 10:04 PM
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It's a submissive reaction, and generally a good sign.
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:57 PM
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Depends on the size of a group, but you can practice going up to two or three women, approaching and saying you liked XYZ about them. Takes balls though.
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:47 PM
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Yeah, just go out in shorter spurts like an hour or two and then you know you have to approach in a given period of time, rather than it going on forever.
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:46 PM
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I do.
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:44 PM
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Day game, in my opinion, as you don't rely on alcohol as a crutch and it takes more guts in the beginning.
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:42 PM
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This is going to sound very hard to swallow, but it's not your looks or your weight. It's your energy and the way you're coming across to women. They can sense a mile off that basically, you're not loving life or yourself at the moment and they respond in a negative way, once you go up to women and you act positive, happy, cracking jokes, confident (all things that can be learned if you keep going out and practicing), they'll begin to change the way they respond to you. But it's definitely not y…
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:41 PM
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Look at getting a one-on-one with a good instructor, this helped me loads as it pointed out my blind spots and showed me what I needed to do to improve.
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:36 PM
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Agreed.
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:33 PM
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Yeah just commit to it and say something even if it's just asking for directions.
/r/seduction25/02/16 01:30 PM
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Just posted a video on this "Amazing Infield On Building Attraction" check it out.
/r/seduction25/02/16 01:29 PM
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If I'm feeling okay I go out, unless I'm really fucked up I don't use it as an excuse.
/r/seduction25/02/16 01:27 PM
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Tbh I read this book ages ago, it was a really mediocre book on seduction all I got from it was make prolonged eye contact. Also Julien from RSD did a podcast with Robert Greene and the guy basically let his limiting beliefs about hot women slip i.e. he doesn't really know what he's talking about. I would recommend Mystery Method, even though the techniques are a bit outdated or Richard La Ruina's book.
/r/seduction25/02/16 01:26 PM
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It's good for building a habit and breaking past excuses, I've done it a few times. Now I just think fuck it.
/r/seduction25/02/16 01:19 PM
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It would seem quite easy, plus dutch girls are hot.
/r/seduction25/02/16 01:17 PM
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Same problem all over the internet man, but you get what you pay for.
/r/seduction25/02/16 01:16 PM
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Oneitis.
/r/seduction25/02/16 01:14 PM
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Alan Roger Currie, Mode One
/r/seduction24/02/16 11:25 PM
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No not if you're just learning.
/r/seduction24/02/16 11:24 PM
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Dude there's loads of advice all over the web for how to go and approach and talk to women especially on YouTube why don't you check it out? I'd say start now otherwise if you wait for your teeth you develop a procrastination habit, just practice having small talk conversations and cracking jokes and don't think about an outcome (i.e. sex) initially you're just desensitising to girls and getting used to their company, talk about events happening your interests, her interest people you know etc. …
/r/seduction23/02/16 09:02 PM
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"Nothing is impossible to him who is willing to try". You could try approaching milfs with daygame. Also don't make it into such a big thing, she's probably not going to make a big deal out of it so why should you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEpEbcHcuqc
/r/seduction23/02/16 08:57 PM
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I wouldn't say with everyone, but around people you trust and know. It's okay to be a little vulnerable with strangers to test the waters, but some people shouldn't be trusted with vulnerable information and you need to figure out these people fast.
/r/seduction23/02/16 08:54 PM
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Well done. I've been asked questions by older virgins before about this, it really isn't that much of a big deal (to the girl anyway), if you're able to accept yourself and not blow it up into something it isn't it becomes a lot easier to lose it.
/r/seduction22/02/16 10:04 PM
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I've been doing this a while and when I first started I had exactly the same kinds of preconceptions you do now. From experience I can say absolutely 100% it works and you will get amazing results, but you have to build up to them its not like you just start out and you're amazing it's like any other skill the more you practice the better you will get. Looks are bullshit. I'm a good looking guy, if this is all that mattered I should have been pulling more hot girls when I was younger and better …
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:52 PM
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Get more girls.
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:47 PM
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If you're just starting out and nervous. Start with something super simple and easy. Just go up and ask for directions or for a nearby bar or something, then after they tell you try to prolong the conversation with small talk. This isn't necessarily going to get you laid, but it's a first step in becoming more comfortable talking to random women.
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:46 PM
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Difficult to diagnose on a forum, but my guess would be pull back a bit, listen to the girl more (or make her talk more), stop trying to impress and don't be overly pushy for kisses/sexual escalation. Your issue probably lies somewhere within the areas I've just described if not a combination of them.
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:44 PM
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Don't make this about just one girl, it's important to practice talking to lots of girls to gain competence.
/r/seduction21/02/16 10:38 PM
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Yeah, keep expanding in other areas.
/r/seduction21/02/16 10:36 PM
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A lot of parallels between this and a lot of other crafts/sports. I guess the main thing guys good in any area have which is huge to attracting women is emotional stability, they've usually been through enough bullshit that they don't seem phased by it anymore.
/r/seduction21/02/16 03:28 PM
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All round good advice. Especially about liking women this is a huge indicator. I'd also say do they seem positive and give uplifting messages/advice, rather than a critic or hater. I would just add as a side note that Julien Blanc started off extremely introvert so whilst a newb may not want to emulate the bravado behaviour straight away it just shows how far you can go with this to the point where you're super confident and how your personality can morph over time.
/r/seduction21/02/16 03:25 PM
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Word.
/r/seduction21/02/16 03:20 PM
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You're in very dangerous waters with this question. Yes, there are some women who have rape fantasies and actually want men to act these out with them, but there's a lot of MAJOR problems with just "going for it". First, what if your dumb ass reads the signals wrong, second, what if she wants you to do it, but is crazy and accuses you of rape after etc. Considering the political climate we're beginning to live in where some people consider not asking for explicit consent (i.e. "can I have sex wi…
/r/seduction20/02/16 01:31 PM
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First of all, huge well done for having the guts to go over and talk to her! From what it sounds like though, you're more invested in her than she is in you. If she's a hot girl she probably gets lots of offers to do stuff with guys and is used to it, so is handling the conversation more casually. When you build up your experience and going up to talk to girls like this isn't such a huge deal, you'll find she begins to invest more in the interaction because she can tell you're not really that af…
/r/seduction20/02/16 01:19 PM
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If you don't feel comfortable, then you're not confident. You seem to have handled eye contact, but confidence implies almost complete confidence with anything so if she cracks a joke you have something more to say they "yep". Just need to work on conversation skills dude. I used to have the same problem (try daygame and instant dates to rectify this). Confidence is about being more expansive you don't necessarily have to talk all the time, but when you feel like it you have no problem giving a …
/r/seduction20/02/16 01:11 PM
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Nursing home?
/r/seduction18/02/16 11:33 PM
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Yeah being emotionally vulnerable is fine, obviously like anything you can do too little of it or too much of it, so experience is key.
/r/seduction18/02/16 11:32 PM
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The Yad stop is stopping from the front. The Yad stop works very well, but in less busy scenarios (like a park or quiet area), you don't have to go in so intense and can stop from the side. Just take action, after a while you'll build an intuition of what works and why.
/r/seduction18/02/16 11:28 PM
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That's complete horseshit! I've approached loads of girls even finding out they're feminists after, 99% of the time they like being approached by confident men. You're probably reading a bunch of clickbait feminism articles from mainstream media which are skewing your perspective. In reality girls like being approached, when you completely change this belief in your mind, your results will change dramatically!
/r/seduction18/02/16 11:25 PM
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I know this sounds cliche dude but it really is absolutely true, you build the self esteem and good feelings within yourself not by getting the result but by taking action which pushes you past your challenges. So if you approach and don't get a number or something, the fact that you had the guts to approach should make you feel a lot better. That's how you turn it around.
/r/seduction18/02/16 11:19 PM
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Nice one, feels good when you put yourself in those kinds of scenarios.
/r/seduction14/02/16 11:23 PM
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Try just ending the conversation with I need to go/get back to my friends, but it was good talking what's your number?
/r/seduction14/02/16 10:46 PM
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It depends how she said it, she might have lost interest as you went in with a very bold opener (which is fair enough), but it's quite hard to back that frame up throughout the interaction, i.e. you've got to be a congruent boss throughout. Anyway, if you did hold the frame you could have done a number of things from ignoring it talking for a further five minutes and then giving her your phone to write it in, brushed it off with something like, you're not my type either, but perhaps we could int…
/r/seduction01/02/16 09:33 PM
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Try something casual like just coffee with friends or something and take the pressure off.
/r/seduction30/01/16 04:22 PM
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I think generally it's easier as it takes care of logistics, but at the end of the day game trumps all. I've managed to take some girls to some pretty dodgy sex locations in the past and have a good time.
/r/seduction30/01/16 04:05 PM
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