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Taking offense when men date younger is just one aspect of a general disdain that many people of both genders, though women in particular of course, feel about male sexuality and expressions of it. Men dating foreign women, men having strict standards about anything, men gathering together to discuss sexual strategy, hell, even men enjoying porn too much causes very similar offense. It's just disdain for male sexuality disguised as moral concern. I basically agree with this, except that I would …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:03 AM
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just because a man dates younger when he's single doesn't mean that he will end up replacing his gf/wife he's been with for years or even decades for a 'newer model' down the line. I agree, but I do think it's a red flag. it's like saying women who only date men with a full head of hair are a red flag because most men lose their hair at some point. I think that's a decent analogy. If a woman categorically rejects bald men, that's a problem too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:44 PM
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Sure, you can say that my answer is that the taboo against making negative generalizations about men is weaker. Thank you. Whether this double-standard is justified is a subject for a hypothetical future thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:24 PM
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You can take it that way. It would stupid to do so, but I wouldn't stop you. Nice evasion, there. I would press further, but based on your misrepresentation of my position in another exchange, I will not be engaging with you any further. Please feel free to have the last word, I will not be reading or responding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:20 PM
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You can say those things. There are just consequences for doing so just like all other speech. By that reasoning, nobody is ever silenced for anything anywhere. "There are just consequences." In any event, based on your intentional misrepresentation of my position in another exchange, this discussion is over. Feel free to have the last word -- I will not be reading or responding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:20 PM
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You want to make anti female comments and you think that people responding to them is silence. I got you dead to rights here man. I'm not apologizing for shit. Unsurprisingly, you were unable to back up your strawman claim. In any event, I do not engage with people who intentionally misrepresent my position. This exchange is concluded Feel free to have the last word as I will not be reading or responding to you any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:20 PM
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I tend to think that large generalizations about billions of people is a pretty dang stupid thing to do. Generally speaking men are taller than women. As you are going to be wrong all the time. Apparently not. Anyway, based on your strawmanning me in another response, this exchange is concluded. Feel free to have the last word as I will not be reading or responding to you further.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:20 PM
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No, she was pretty accurate is that assessment. This, of course, is nonsense. However, based on your intentional misrepresentation of my position in another exchange, I'm done with you. Feel free to have the last word -- I will not be reading or responding to you any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:20 PM
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You aren't being silenced. You mean in this thread? Or somewhere else?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:04 PM
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You just want to make anti female comments and think you are so entitled that no one gets to respond to them? Umm, please quote me where I made such an argument. Failing that please admit I said no such thing and apologize for misrepresenting what I have stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:47 PM
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Women don't tend to be cowardly. I disagree, but so what? Let's do this: Is there any negative personality trait or behavior which you believe is significantly more common among women than among men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:47 PM
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They did it too isn't a valid defense. Umm, does that mean "yes" or "no"? Also, can I take it from your response that you are fine with double standards in terms of how different groups are treated?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:45 PM
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Are you so entitled that you think you can say things and people won't respond? Umm, where did I state or imply this? Please QUOTE me. Failing that, please admit that I said no such thing and apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:41 PM
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Are you arguing that that should not be the case? Not in this thread. From a political perspective I think there exists a view that negative generalizations about men are less harmful than negative generalizations about women, because negative generalizations about women support and reinforce widely-held sexist beliefs which we are working on eradicating, while negative generalizations about men mostly are scoffed away by the vast majority of society. I guess that means your answer is "no"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:29 PM
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The Whatever and Fresh & Fit podcasts, along with their groups on various social media sites that attract a great deal of commentary from people, usually men who are saying misogynistic things I understand. I would DEFINITELY include those podcasts as "dark corners of the internet." If an Ivy League president; a senior officer at a Fortune 500 corporation; etc. said the sort of things that Brian says on that podcast, he would be in big trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:07 PM
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Nope. You didn’t understand correctly. In that case, your definition makes no sense whatsoever. You define "hypergamous" as "Old saggy and soggy man wanting a hot young woman." That's your definition. So by YOUR definition (1) a woman can NEVER by hypergamous; and (2) a man is not hypergamous if he wants an average woman but not a hot woman. I do not engage with people whose posts are consistently nonsensical. This exchange is concluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:05 PM
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What do you mean by 'taboo' here? The usage seems to mean: 'a lot of people will not like it when you do it.' It goes further than that. Not only do they not like it, they will impose repercussions. I think there is a general consensus that generalizations are weak and negative generalizations are rude. So in your view, there is an equal taboo regarding statements which are unflattering to men as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:01 PM
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You're not saying "X is true", you're saying "X is an issue". Let's assume I am. The question of "WHY x is an issue" is different. Asking why is completely valid and on topic. Why? Sure. And why do you want to discuss the question of why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:00 PM
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Stop calling me a misandrist and getting defensive when you concede that male nature is degenerate. I'm not sure what you mean by degenerate. Everyone -- male and female -- has urges which are anti-social and destructive. It’s degenerate, hurtful, and hypergamous. At least you’re honest about this. Again that word "degenerate." What exactly do you mean by it? Old saggy and soggy man wanting a hot young woman. Interesting, so according to your definition, (1) women can never by hypergamous; and (…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 08:29 PM
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you've got some disgusting beliefs and opinions that you need to learn to think about. if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 08:00 PM
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/u/TinyFlamingo2147: Good to know I'm speaking to someone under the emotional age of 18. I'm sorry you got so stunted in junior high. Also /u/TinyFlamingo2147: Usually, if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:56 PM
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lol as if that is encouraging or uplifting 😂 Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable. Yes women need to live their lives accordingly. Of course. Everyone has foibles and everyone needs to live their life accordingly. Bro you just admitted that they want a harem of young women that they collect So? How does that contradict anything I have said? This is hypergamy I disagree, but of course it's a question of semantics. How do you define "hypergamy"? Whataboutism. You are the one who compared men and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:55 PM
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Bruh, that's just cowardly. Grow up. Usually, if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:49 PM
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You are correct. Thank you. I think the bigger question is why is this such a problem for you? To be discussed in a hypothetical future post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:44 PM
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Yeah, stop being a dick for no reason Exactly. Making a statement which is unflattering to women constitutes "being a dick," no matter how true or justified the statement is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:39 PM
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Yes, they are likely to face negative repercussions, and they should. Even though they are saying something which -- by your own admission -- is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:27 PM
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I'm literally discussing your topic. I'm asking WHY this is an issue. That's a different topic. If I say "X is true" and you ask "WHY are you making an issue out of X," it's a different topic. If you can't articulate why this is an issue, how am I supposed to engage with it? Just focus on the claim being made. Do you, or do you not agree that generally speaking in the West there is a taboo against making statements which are unflattering to women as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:15 PM
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Being unreasonably attached to a belief that is intolerant toward a ground of people. Ok, now suppose that a mid-level manager at a company is in a meeting and he states that his observations of company employees appear to confirm that passive-aggressiveness is much more common among women than among men. Can we agree that such a manager is likely to face negative repercussions for saying this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:13 PM
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Let me be more direct, why is that an issue I should care about for you? If you want to concede my point and discuss a different topic, please first tell me why and I will consider it. Otherwise, this is an off-topic question. So is your issue that it's taboo to generalize minority groups vs majority ones? This is also off-topic. If you want to concede my point and discuss the more general issue of double-standards with taboos, please first tell me why you would like to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:29 PM
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How do you get into an age gap relationship, if you don't pursue one? I'm not sure what you mean by "you," but generally one party pursues the other. How is that relevant though?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:22 PM
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in an abundance of [sea]water, the fool is thirsty lolll FTFY.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:20 PM
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Cool. As I thought you're probably only thinking about what happens in your bubble. I have no idea what you mean by this. In any event, I do not engage with people who cloak their positions. This exchange is concluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:18 PM
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You’re not asking to understand, you’re asking to dismiss Nice to know that you are a mind reader. Pay attention. I don't even know what you mean. Anyway, I don't engage with people who hide their positions. This exchange is concluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:17 PM
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It's not "unflattering" to say that recently freed slaves weren't all that economically productive. It's true, it's a fact, but what's the point of saying it? There must be a point. And if you don't clarify your point, people are free to assume unflattering things about you, especially if you appear uneducated on the facts you bring up. Ok, so what? If a woman just says that men are violent, nothing else, most people would raise and eyebrow and question her. I tend to doubt this, and in fact it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:16 PM
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I will not repeat misogynist sayings, no. I'm not comfortable with that. In that case, I have no idea what you are talking about so there is nothing to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:11 PM
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Old men hitting on young women, it's creepy for the young women. Well that's a different issue. I'm talking about actual age gap relationships, not attempted age-gap relationships. As far as men pursuing women goes, I think it's kind of for the woman herself to decide whether or not the attention is welcome. Some women prefer older men and in any event, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with a man shooting his shot as long as he is polite about it and walks away if it seems the woman isn't int…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:10 PM
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I think you're perhaps taking one friend group to represent "in general in life in the west" or something of that nature. Many people will say blatantly misogynist things all the time and not seeing anything wrong with it. Can you give me 3 examples so I know what you are talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:04 PM
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Whether she should or should not is really irrelevant because that's not what you said. I don't understand . . . what do you think I said? Sure some younger women are clearly using men for their money (presuming of course these men have money because age does not brin money), but for most it's creepy. What's creepy and for whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:03 PM
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Are you under the impression that I keep a scrapbook? No. But if people are "constantly" doing so, it shouldn't be to hard to give a few examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:02 PM
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Collectivist narratives can and should be pushed back upon, particularly negative ones, because people are individuals. What exactly do you mean by "collectivist narratives" here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:59 PM
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Why is that a problem? I should have said "issue" not "problem" I do think it's a problem, but that's beyond the scope of my post. There's multiple groups that you can say that about. Why are you singling out women? Because this is /r/purplepilldebate. If this were a more general discussion board, I would point out that there are other groups for which there are similar taboos. But here, you bring up those other groups, your post gets deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:58 PM
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I think you are speaking of two different women in your comment. If a woman wants to just have fun with a f boy and not settle down, then why would she have a problem with him being an f boy or chastise those that were? Perhaps she shouldn't. But the same could be said about an age-gap relationship. If a 20 year old woman is dating a 50 year old man, perhaps the woman just wants to have fun with a boyfriend who will take her on fancy trips and buy her expensive presents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:56 PM
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Oh, man, this gives me massive "so what that I said that blacks have a lower IQ on average? that's just a fact!" vibes, lmao You need to clarify you're not a woman hater by adding "but of course, oppression is why"? So, you mean that you need to contextualize your statements to not come off as a hateful person? Wow. But that's true about any statement on sensitive topics, lol. You can't just say "Israel had the right to retaliate" without any clarification if the conversation is about the Gaza w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:53 PM
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Here's an example of your prejudice against women. I take it you are unable to provide three examples of statements which (1) are unflattering to women as a group; but (2) are NOT prejudiced against women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:52 PM
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It’s so convenient that when provided with tangible, real examples of media permitting women to be torn apart, sexualised, abused, and disregarded, they’re not sufficient for you. You think Grok letting men make child porn of underaged girls has NOTHING to do with this subject? NOTHING. The claim on the table is that there is a taboo against making statements which are unflattering to women as a group (outside of certain dark corners of the internet). The question of whether AI is being used to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:51 PM
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A doctrine can be correct regardless of the motives (ulterior or otherwise) of the people proclaiming it. Thus, it should be judged on its own merits. The problem I see with this principle is that it could lead to a kind of selective enforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:46 PM
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Definitely disingenuous, the biggest complaint tends to be the "power dynamic" but most of that is money and they don't seem to complain about rich men dating poor women (unless they go to a different country to do it) Yeah, this issue came up in a thread a few weeks back. As I recall, the hypothetical posed was this: Suppose that (a single) Jeff Bezos made a large donation to a school or a hospital and in the course of his charitable work met and ultimately married a 55 year old nurse or teache…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:40 PM
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A man (or a woman) who only dates individuals in their 20s when they are in their 40s, 50s or more is a massive red flag. Why? Because everyone ages. And if the man or woman is only attracted to young people, he or she will leave you when you age I agree with this, and it's definitely a reason to be cautious about entering an age-gap relationship. But here's the thing: Regardless of age, it's similarly a red flag if the man is a "player" type or otherwise has a history of numerous short-term rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:24 PM
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I think that men want a rotating harem of 18-21 year olds who they drop as soon as the woman ages out. I would have to disagree with this. Obviously I can't speak for all men, but I think most men would -- ideally -- keep older women in their harem and just keep adding young ones. I also think men are disingenuous and like to deny this fact and even call it misandry. I disagree with this as well -- I think most men will readily admit that they sexually attracted to youth and that they like the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:18 PM
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Yes… making generalizing and rude comments towards an entire gender would render one an ass. So are you saying that there is an equal taboo against statements which are unflattering to men as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:01 PM
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These are 3 examples of media permitting women to be torn apart and discriminated against at an institutional level. That's an interesting subject however it's not the subject under discussion. If you are conceding my original point and would like to discuss a different subject, please say so and tell me why you would like to discuss a different subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:59 PM
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I don't know how many more times you need to hear this but if you're being a hateful jackass, you will be called out for your hateful jackassery. That is consequence. If you want to argue that this is some unfair "taboo" go right ahead. It doesn't change the fact that your actions have consequences It seems like you basically concede my point. It seems that according to you, publicly stating something negative about women as a group is equivalent to being a "hateful jackass" It seems that accord…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:50 PM
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Here are 3 concrete examples: Right this very second, @Bellesaco, a women’s sexual health account on Instagram that had 700k followers, is challenging meta for banning their account without warning for using the word “clitoris”. This is at the same time as Instagram lets men’s sexual health content about ED’s run, and ALSO after they just lost a $375mil lawsuit for violating child safety. In March, 3 teenage girls filed a lawsuit against twitter’s grok for using photos of them to produce and dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:46 PM
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None of those things actually Ok, it seems you are a liar. Anyway, I don't engage with people who intentionally misrepresent my position. This exchange is concluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:38 PM
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There are social consequences for being an ass. And a person is considered an "ass" if they publicly make a comment which is unflattering to women as a group. I find it interesting Glad to know you find my post interesting. I repeat my offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:37 PM
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I’m in an AGR with a big gap (almost 30yrs). In my experience, the opposition to them is almost entirely exclusive to the chronically online. Most people irl don’t really give a shit. Well I think that most people irl are more hesitant to express their opinions. And with good reason, as injecting yourself into a situation like that in real life can lead to serious trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:35 PM
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We remember what it was like to be 18-20 and hit on by men old enough to be our fathers. It’s gross. Most women I know in their 30s and 40s look back at the men they dated at 18 or 20 with regret It's hard to believe that someone would voluntarily date someone they find "gross." Maybe if it was a sugar baby type relationship. I think it's reasonable to urge young women (actually all women) to refrain from sex work. It has nothing to do with men and everything to do with protecting those young wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:26 PM
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I mean, it does. I have no idea what this means. In any event, I do not engage with people who conceal their position. This exchange is concluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:17 PM
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No need to. Suit yourself, but either you didn't read carefully; you are unable to read; or you are just flat out lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:15 PM
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Tell that to the myriad of men online who say that insert specfic woman here is for the streets. Can you give me 3 examples so I know what you are talking about? There is no taboo in place anywhere. + + you can't say misogynistic shit with total impunity from consequence Umm, how do you define the word "taboo" when you say that there is no taboo anywhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:10 PM
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You’re mad that people don’t like it when you’re generalizing women in a negative way. You have freedom of speech and can make decisions about how you want to interact with other people, and other people have those exact same freedoms. Why do you think you should be immune to consequences when you speak badly about women? This thread isn't about what should or shouldn't happen, it's about what does happen. If you would like to concede that my observation is correct and tell me why you would like…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:08 PM
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Nope. Depends on where, who, and what they said. Umm, that makes no sense at all. Is it your position that either (1) A person who makes negative statements about women as a group isn't risking their job; their publishing contract; their social life; or anything else; or (2) A person who makes negative statements about women as a group is sometimes risking their job; their publishing contract; their social life; etc., depending on the where, who, and what? Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:06 PM
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That isn’t a strawman. Then you should be able to QUOTE me where I stated or implied that the sole consequences of stating a generalization are that people "will say something" or that "people don't like it" Please do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:01 PM
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Yes. The example of Larry Summers would strongly suggest otherwise. And I say this because there already are millions of books by men that criticize women and paint them in a negative light Can you give me three prominent examples from the last 20 years? The fact that you think the entire world is under the thumb of feminism suggests a laughable lack of geopolitical education. I stated clearly in the original post as follows: In general in life IN THE WEST, you aren't supposed to say things whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:59 PM
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No, it means prejudice against women. I'm not sure what you mean by "prejudice" here. Can you provide 3 examples of statements which (1) are unflattering to women as a group; but (2) are not prejudiced against women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:51 PM
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Depends on where, who, and what they said. Ok, so you concede that sometimes significantly more happens that just criticism, debate, and argument. Agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:50 PM
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will say something if they disagree with you! Nice strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:49 PM
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you say you can’t say women are cowardly because people call you a misogynist. Re-read.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:47 PM
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Sure, women are often more passive-aggressive Ok, and to be clear, what do you mean by "bigoted"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:45 PM
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The Equality Act protects individuals from discrimination, including: Umm, does this mean "yes," "no" or "I don't know"? It's a simple question. In the UK is it illegal to make public statements which are unflattering to men as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:42 PM
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A feminist writing a book about women being superior to men will face the same “repercussions” as a man who writes a book about men being superior to women: in that people who disagree will disagree. Ok, so if a male academic publicly claimed that men are superior in some way to women, in your view, the only consequences would be that some people might publicly disagree. Is that your view? What did you think happened to men who wrote unflattering things about women? Generally speaking they face …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:42 PM
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Yes, I'm not sure where you're from but in the UK it is illegal to discriminate against anyone in relation to their sex In the UK is it illegal to make public statements which are unflattering to men as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:36 PM
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Awesome. And yet, this thread is trying to silence women for calling out misogynistic behaviors. I don't think you understand what the word "silence" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:35 PM
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I guess I just dont understand why you would have to re-frame it at all and not just have something more similar to my example be your first thought to write and therefore why this is an "issue" at all. That's a different issue. If you concede that my original point is correct and you would like to discuss whether or not the taboo is a problem, I'll consider it. Please tell me why you would like to change the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:34 PM
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“people disagree with me when I make unflattering comments about women.” This appears to be a fabricated quote to me. Please link to the post where I supposedly said this or admit it is fabricated and apologize. TIA.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:32 PM
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Yes, it does. I have seen people push back in instances where women and men are making sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex. They will criticise, debate, and argue as is their right. And that's all that will happen, in your view. A person who makes negative statements about women as a group isn't risking their job; their publishing contract; their social life; or anything else. That's your view, correct? I am not sure what you want. This thread is not about what I want. If you want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:30 PM
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You seem confused about what “taboo” means. It’s not a taboo just because people disagree with you Please show me where I stated or implied such. Please QUOTE me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:27 PM
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Yes, if a negative statement was made about men that was in front of men or on a public forum, the person would face social repercussions from men To be clear, you believe that the person would be just as likely to lose their job; just as likely to be dropped by a publisher; just as likely to face discipline, regardless of whether the negative statement is about men as a group or women as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:26 PM
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Yes. Calling an entire gender “unoriginal” or “unintelligent” is not only rude, and also just ridiculously inaccurate. There are millions of creative, intelligent people in both genders. Ok, so what do you think the social repercussions would be for a feminist author who claimed that women are more emotionally intelligent than men. Would her publisher drop her? If she has an adjunct position at the local university, would she lose it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:25 PM
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There is a bunch of ways to say it. I will not deny there are some angry and argumentative people online that nitpick a lot, but for example, I would be fine with "Men are credited with the majority of well-known inventions, although that’s partly due to the fact that women weren’t given the same opportunities or recognition at the time." Sure, and I made that point in my original post: If you observe that women tend to be cowardly; or that the vast majority of important inventions were made by …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:19 PM
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Are you saying that’s cowardly or something? Lol, no. You demonstrated by point by completely missing the thrust of my argument. But don't worry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:12 PM
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This is excellently displayed in your first point, "vast majority of importance inventions", that's being misogynistic. Right - in practice, "misogynistic" means "anything which is unflattering to women as a group"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:11 PM
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Is your example of 'taboo' is "saying 'unflattering' things to women"? I have no idea what this means. My position is that generally speaking, outside of a few dark corners of the internet, saying things which are unflattering about women as a group will result in significant negative social repercussions. I'm not sure how to make this any clearer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:10 PM
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When you generalise an entire group of people, regardless of who, you will face social repercussions to a certain extent Well do you think the same thing applies (with equal force) to statements which are unflattering to men as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:09 PM
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This thread is you literally trying to silence women for calling out misogynistic behaviors. That's quite the ironic accusation there, given that (1) I haven't downvoted anyone; (2) I haven't deleted anyone's posts; (3) I haven't reported any posts to any moderators; and (4) I haven't imposed any kind of social repercussions on anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:08 PM
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You probably take people disagreeing with you as silencing you because you don’t like that they’re disagreeing with you. Did I say or imply that anywhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:07 PM
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It’s not socially acceptable to call an entire demographic cowards. It’s not socially acceptable to call anyone a coward. Ok, would you say the same thing about "unintelligent" or "unoriginal"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:06 PM
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Well, when one of your examples of "unflattering things about women" that you give here, like of all things you could have chosen as examples, this is where your mind went.... And the words you choose matters! It is either pure ignorance or misogyny or a good mix of both. Well what's a polite way to make the claim that the vast majority of important inventions have been made by men? One that will not get a person labeled as a "misogynist"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:04 PM
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This subreddit. Thank you for demonstrating my point so concisely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:49 PM
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It’s not because it’s unflattering, it’s because it’s untrue, a generalization and bigoted. Let me ask you this: In your view, are there any negative personality traits which are significantly more common in women than in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:49 PM
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You’re not being prevented from expressing your opinions; people just push back when you make sweeping claims about an entire group. What exactly do you mean by "push back"? And does the same thing apply to sweeping claims about men, e.g. "men tend to be more prone to violent crime than women" That’s not censorship, it’s disagreement. So you deny that public statements which are unflattering to women as a group will, generally speaking, result in negative social repercussions? You are saying tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:46 PM
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When you criticize groups using 'unflattering' generalization, open based on stereotypes and tropes, you will always get pushback. So are you saying that the taboo I pointed out applies with equal force to statements which are unflattering to men as a group? (you call it taboo to be challenged) Please quote me where I did so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:44 PM
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Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. Agreed. So what? My point is that there is a taboo in place. Also it's generally considered ignorant and bad faith to make blanket statements about entire groups of people because they are not monoliths Are you saying that there is also a taboo against making statements which are unflattering to men as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:42 PM
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On what planet are women not openly criticized and demeaned? Can you show me three examples of statements, openly made which are unflattering to women as a group? That way I will know what you are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:40 PM
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Women are torn apart daily on social media, in the media, we aren’t exempt from criticism fair or unfair. Can you give a few examples from mainstream media so I know what you are talking about? If it happens every day, it should be very easy to link to 3 examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:39 PM
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Yet people do. Constantly. Can you give me a few examples so I know what you are talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:38 PM
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You probably just dislike that people disagree with you and can state as much. I'm not the one who is silencing people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:37 PM
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Observe where? When? Are you suggesting that someone who "observes" negative things about women unprompted isn't misigynistic? They aren't necessarily misogynistic. It depends on the context. However the taboo applies to all statements which are unflattering to women as a group, regardless of the context. PPD has 150k subscribers. It's not exactly a globally televised event but it's hardly some arcane forum the average person can't fathom existing Well you agree it's not mainstream either, right…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:36 PM
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You're allowed to say whatever you like but this doesn't free you from other people interjecting and providing their opinion and/ or context to your original statement. Nor does it free you from people imposing social repercussions on you. Accusing you of being a "misogynist," ostracizing you, trying to get you fired, and so on. That's how taboos typically work. If you generalise an entire group and call them 'cowardly', members of said group will rightfully call out such a generalisation The pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:32 PM
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It’s also obviously inaccurate to say “all women are cowards”, considering how many women are brave (and how many men are cowards.) This is actually a good example of the attitude I am talking about. What it says in my post is "women tend to be cowardly" which got changed to "all women are cowards" When you say something mildly unflattering about women, people will lie and misquote and make you seem totally unreasonable. I mean… calling anyone a coward is considered rude. What is a polite, socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:26 PM
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But your side isn't silenced. In mainstream discourse, and on most discussion boards, there's a taboo against saying anything which is unflattering to women as a group. This is very easy to verify, but one thing about these kinds of taboos is that people often try to deny they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:41 PM
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But this is definitely the most populated place where blaming women for everything wrong about your life is completely accepted and mostly supported by other commenters. I wouldn't go that far. Except of course that in mainstream discourse "saying anything unflattering about women" = misogyny = "blaming women for everything wrong about your life."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:16 PM
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So you are looking for an echo chamber? To an extent. I prefer that both sides have the opportunity to present their case, but the main thing is that my side is not silenced.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:14 PM
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Mainstream culture and most online discussion boards have a taboo against saying ANYTHING which is unflattering to women as a group. I come here for reassurance that I'm not alone and I'm not crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:00 PM
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Op is using the same argument about cultivation theory with the media we consume that feminists do. Oh, I agree. I would guess that's kinda the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:59 PM
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Op is literally doing the same thing. Can you a little more specific about who is doing what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:23 PM
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Okay? It’s fiction. Not real life. It would be nice if feminists had a similar reaction to movies which pander to men. But unfortunately, we regularly hear complaints about the "male gaze," about "objectification," that female characters are mere "plot devices," that female characters are "manic pixie dream girls," that the movie "promotes harmful attitudes about women" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:36 PM
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Nope, it’s because the guy just uses the woman to get better but ultimately they can’t be together because she’s manic/crazy. Or terminally ill Female fantasies are usually about man changes for the better and they live happily ever after — or she meets a better man, and they live happily ever after cough cough Titanic cough cough
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:24 PM
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lol A brilliant rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 11:00 AM
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yeah, you refuted nothing, If that's how you want to define "refutation," then fine. I am happy to stipulate for the sake of argument that age gap relationships are positively correlated with outcomes commonly perceived to be negative, such as divorce. which is what you needed to do Why? Why did I need to do that? Who put you in charge of deciding what I do or don't need to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 11:18 PM
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Where are you seeing this fantasy appear, Given your concession that this fantasy has in fact been expressed, I am not inclined to go looking for specific examples. why are you presenting it as a "feminist fantasy" Because it contradicts observable reality. You asserted that this fantasy I'm not even really familiar with is specifically a feminist fantasy, and I'm asking you to defend that assertion. Exactly what evidence are you looking for? My general observations confirm that -- generally spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:58 PM
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You responded to a post with all kinds of evidence attached to it, rejected it, and substituted a pretend argument that went off topic. By "rejected it," do you mean that I pointed out that the seemed to be one that is made selectively?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:55 PM
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Not skeptical that anyone ever says this, just skeptical that married men's frivolous spending is an important feminist topic. Well, the phrase "important feminist topic" is so vague that there's really no way to resolve your claim one way or another. Here's what I had said: There's this feminist fantasy that married men go out and blow their salaries on sportscars and other self-indulgent nonsense. It seems like you don't dispute that there really are feminists out there who make claims along t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 05:30 PM
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Hold on, what? Who is saying this? This doesn't sound true, and further I don't think I've ever seen it in the wild. So you are seriously skeptical that these kinds of things get said by feminists? Feminist positions about 'women working harder' have to do with division of shared labor, not household spending habits, right Well the issue of spending habits has been raised in this discussion, agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:41 PM
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well if eggs are bread, we would all have toast for breakfast Sorry, I don't understand your point. Would you mind spelling it out?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:21 PM
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Yes. In any event, generally speaking, both husband and wife benefit from their combined earnings. When there is an exception to this, it's usually the wife who treats her earnings as "her money" while the man's earnings are everyone's money. There's this feminist fantasy that married men go out and blow their salaries on sportscars and other self-indulgent nonsense, but as usual this is an inversion of reality. It's far more frequently the wife who is spending her earnings on handbags and pedic…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:06 PM
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if she wanted to go see a guy In an traditional world, women would not be permitted to travel alone, and certainly wouldn't be allowed to go off on some sexual adventure. But in our modern world where equal rights are enshrined in law, if a woman wants to travel to see a man, she can certainly pay for it herself. In any event, a man would be a fool to pay for a woman's travel to visit him. Because if he does so, he is wide open to being manipulated. In the same way that women sometimes trick men…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:27 PM
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My main objection to this type of analysis is that it tends to be selective. So for example, suppose the statistics show that women having multiple sex partners increases the likelihood of eventually getting divorced. Or that women who are economically independent are more likely to end up getting divorced. Would you make a similar argument, i.e. that women should refrain from promiscuous behavior or pursuing remunerative careers? I don't know about you personally, but my sense is that most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:09 PM
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I don't think you are using the word "egalitarian" in the way most people use the word. It seems that by "egalitarian" you mean equal in terms of romantic market value. I do agree that (1) generally speaking, in any relationship (romantic, business or otherwise) life is better for the party who can more easily walk away; (2) generally speaking, in a romantic/sexual relationship, if there is a looks mismatch, the more attractive person can more easily walk away; and (3) all things being equal, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 12:22 PM
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Implies he's not kind or good? No. I agree with this, but it doesn't really matter. Because the response actually illustrates my point almost perfectly. A hypothetical man complains about his lack of success in dating and is immediately accused by a woman of being a bad person. Meanwhile, regarding a man who is unkind but successful, the accusation is that the first guy's perception is incorrect. The unspoken message is that dating really is fair. That this unsuccessful man who is a bad person a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:14 AM
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But the very fact he doesn’t respect her decisions for who she wants to date and believes the other guy is “an obvious bad guy” just shows he’s not a kind or good guy and he’s rather childish Interesting invented quote there. But anyway, thank you for illustrating my point so well, because your comment is EXACTLY the type of response I am talking about. The thrust of your response is that: (1) the man who is complaining is not actually kind; (2) he's childish; and (3) he's probably wrong about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:10 AM
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I agree that they are overrated, but they are still pretty good. I think that human cultures in the West have evolved to put a lot of value on marriage and (for men) attracting women. Which makes sense, when you think about it. Marriage is necessary to propagate the culture; and traditionally for men, attracting woman could be accomplished by being a mighty warrior; by working hard and being successful; etc. i.e. by doing things which contribute to the success of the culture. So I think that as …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:51 AM
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Women are the ones pretending it’s fair I basically agree with this. For example, a common complaint online is by a man who is having difficulty attracting women; he says that he is kind to women and yet they reject him in favor of men who are unkind but more attractive or more of the exciting "bad boy" type. When make this kind of complaint, it's very unusual for women to say something along the lines of "you're right, women have a tendency to prefer a handsome but mean bad boy type over a nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:36 AM
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In my experience, behavior is the only reliable evidence of motivation. Yeah, I think this is a key point. When people talk about their motivations, they have a strong tendency to give the explanation that is the most self-flattering regardless of whether it's true. This tendency is especially pronounced among women. If I learned that my partner had been sexually adventurous with previous partners but declined to do so with me, I would probably end the relationship. Not because I'm entitled to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:29 PM
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You’re fundamentally missing the point from the first paragraph. You’re seeing it as “the woman owes the man” when the point of telling men this is “If she did all these things with exes, but she won’t even try for you, she’s not that into you.” I agree. Feminists often attempt to dismiss or invalidate men's concerns or preferences with the "entitlement" argument. So that if a man says "I prefer a woman who doesn't do X but does do Y," the response is "You are not entitled to a woman who does Y …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:24 PM
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This is one of those arguments which is useful to gender-flip. Suppose a man has taken his previous partners to Michelin-starred restaurants; brought them home to meet his parents; etc., and the woman he is dating gets none of this. You could easily say that: Caring about the way he treated his previous partners is retroactive jealousy; He is not a slave, he doesn't owe you a fancy date and he doesn't owe you the opportunity to meet his parents. Not wanting to spend more resources on you or intr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:16 PM
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I don't get why red pillers don't embrace feminism even in just an accelerationist way. In practice, feminism is an anti-man hate movement. Yes, feminists often say things like "all we want is equality," but when you actually look at the policies they push for; their rhetoric; etc., they are fundamentally no different from the KKK in its attitude towards black people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:38 PM
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Are there any equivalent prominent male fantasies often expressed in culture (movies/books/videogames/porn) with the purpose of male self-gratification? I think men also have a fantasy of finding that One Special Girl. For example, the move Garden State. Another common male fantasy is to be like James Bond, i.e. to have multiple women swooning over you; to be a player, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:18 PM
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women have more patience with men than with each other, or men are actually better at de-escalating tension with women than women are with each other. Another possibility is that women come into relationships with higher expectations. Although admittedly that plays into your hypothesis regarding emotional volatility. And truth be told, if you get in the habit of observing and analyzing peoples' behavior objectively, it does seem that women are noticeably more emotionally volatile than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:42 PM
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I don't want answers like "actually, it's not like that in reality" Ok, I understand. You are interested only in hearing from men who genuinely believe advice from men (even full on basement-dwelling losers) should be automatically credited. I doubt any such men exist, but it's your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:01 PM
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Again, my point is, why listen to men, if 95% of you are unsuccessful and don't/can't change it? And again my answer: Men shouldn't necessarily listen to men. Even if the man is highly successful with women, he shouldn't necessarily be listened to. Perhaps he is highly successful solely because of his physical appearance or fame and doesn't know the first thing about attracting women. Let's do this: Can you point to 2 or 3 posts which illustrate the issue about which you are complaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:46 PM
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If 80–99% of men are (by this logic) clueless and/or unsuccessful, why is male advice supposed to be so much more valuable than female advice? I don't think it necessarily is more valuable. I think the issue is that (1) society cloaks women with a lot of undeserved credibility; and (2) intuitively, it seems like women would have insight into what women find attractive. Therefore men need to be reminded to put little weight on what women say attracts them. There's also a separate issue, which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:32 PM
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The entire seething at age gap relationships comes down to women’s refusal to accept that her value is tied to her youth which is fleeting with every day I disagree with this a little bit. For the most part, they are okay accepting the value of their youth when they are young. It's only when it no longer works to their advantage that it becomes an issue. And by the way, the phrase I hear a LOT is "age appropriate." The implication being that it's inappropriate for a man to date someone a good de…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:22 AM
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Sooner or later a woman like this will utter the words "all men are trash". Either that or she will say "I just seem to attract men who are trash." And yeah, instead she could say "I attract lots of men and I have been making bad choices."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:47 PM
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I agree with your overall point but I think you are missing something. Hobby groups are even worse than you describe for a couple reasons: First, there is an unwritten rule that a new member in a hobby group has low status. So for a man, the moment you walk in the door, your overall desirability has dropped by a full point or two. To overcome this handicap, the man has to devote at least a year or two to rising through the ranks, so to speak. Usually it's just not worth the trouble. Not unless t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:38 PM
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Imho that's inequality which drives men insane. Within your analogy, that would be VIP and non-VIP players: the former die much less, and their existence makes non-VIP players pissed. Of course everyone is free to think about things however they want, but I don't think that this is a useful way to think about things. JMHO
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 12:30 PM
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I agree that for most men it's hit or miss (and usually miss) but why does that mean it's "brutal"? Here's an analogy: Suppose there is an online first-person-shooter game that you enjoy playing. While you are learning to play your character dies a lot. Even after you get good, you still die pretty regularly. But nobody would describe this process as "brutal." It's part of the fun; if you get to the point where you never die, you'll probably move on to some other game. When it comes to (modern) …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:20 PM
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In my experience, the most common way that women use men involves the classic "friendzone" situation. In that situation, the woman is using the man for favors (which sometimes includes financial support), validation, and a sympathetic ear when she wants to unload. Typically in that type of relationship, the man puts up with the situation because (1) he is enchanted with the woman and it makes him happy to spend time with her; and (2) he is hoping against hope that their "friendship" will blossom…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 01:00 PM
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One: I am pretty skeptical of this. There are so many men who are so eager for success with women, they spend lots of money on nice watches; fancy cars; nice clothing; hair transplants; etc. If it were just a matter of dropping a few hundred dollars for professional photos, one would expect a stampede of men following this route. Basically, you are making an extraordinary claim, akin to saying that there is a million dollars just sitting on the sidewalk waiting for anyone to take it, but nobody …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:35 PM
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Oh, you mean how men held society back for centuries by excluding half the population from contributing to it? Laughable, Indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:31 PM
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As a man, if I'm going to get bad treatment due to the misbehavior of other men, then surely I also deserve good treatment due to all the great things done by other men. For example, building and maintaining the infrastructure that makes modern life far more safe, convenient, and comfortable. Maybe the next time I am eating out and there's a female waitress, she will thank me for her hot shower that morning and give me a free drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:50 PM
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If he gos on about how nice he is and acts as if that should entitle him to a woman fucking him, if he lashs out after being rejected then yeah thats a " nice guy" tm As mentioned, you are free to define the phrase "nice guy" any way you like. The phenomenon I descried really does happen though. And such men are regularly the object of scorn and derision. and why focus on the women who date guys who mistreat them? Because it's frustrating to witness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:39 AM
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This forum is full of men asking women for empathy and advice. It's full of men asking women to make the first move. it's full of men telling women they can't have casual sex FWIW I'm in a long term relationship. I don't participate in this forum with the idea of (1) learning how to get girls; (2) convincing women that I should be considered attractive; or anything like that. Rather, I participate in this forum because in ordinary life and on most message boards, there is an unwritten rule that …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:24 PM
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that's the point that while this sub is a weird place doesn't mean that it's detached from reality. It could be just that people here voice what they think everywhere else. Again, so what? Let's do this: Please quote what I have said which you believe is contradicted or undermined by your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 12:39 PM
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If you say negative things about women as a group," doesn't mean they don't think them. I agree . . but so what? Does this contradict anything I have said?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 12:28 PM
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Dude, you're in a sub where men constantly scream I'm not sure that "scream" is the right word, but yeah, if this subreddit were the entire universe, then I would agree that with the issue I am describing is more balanced. But this subreddit is very unusual -- far more than in any discussion forum, it's socially acceptable to state negative things about women as a group. In normal Western society and in most discussion boards, you just can't do that. If you say negative things about women as a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:52 AM
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Those experiments measure bias in very narrow, artificial tasks and cannot be generalized to real social behavior or all forms of in group bias. What does it mean that there is literally no possible experiment, study, or evidence that could ever convince you that women have stronger in-group bias than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:39 PM
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But its there. And its constantly active. Yes in this type of discussion forum, but otherwise, not so much: Four experiments confirmed that women's automatic in-group bias is remarkably stronger than men's
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:23 PM
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There is no way to measure which group has more in-group bias. How would you even do that? Even as a non-psychologist, it's not too difficult to think of how this could be measured. For example, you could create a test story which describes some kind of conflict between a man and a woman and ask test subjects, both male and female to indicate which of the two parties they think is in the right and which is in the wrong. Then you could do the same thing with the same test story to different subje…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:22 PM
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Yeah but your example is people giving general advice about what to buy for Valentine's Day. They don't actually know what your partner wants, so they're taking their best guess Well what happens when someone's "best guess" happens to be unflattering to women or inconvenient for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:15 PM
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I understand what point you were trying to make. I’m saying it’s a lot of people for different groups. It’s not a woman thing. To an extent I agree, but at the same time, one can't ignore the fact that our society is very gynocentric. Which means that "women are not a monolith" gets significant extra traction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:03 PM
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But you see the same behaviour with men. To an extent, I agree. Although it's pretty well established that women have much stronger in-group bias than men. Ita not the "women are wonderful" effect Not exactly, but it's a very closely related issue. Because society in general is very gynocentric, which means that the "women are not a monolith" fallacy, generally speaking, gets a lot of traction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:01 PM
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Women ARE a monolith, at least moreso compared to men. I agree, but I think that's a separate issue. The question is under what circumstances will women admit that they are a monolith and under what circumstances will they deny. And the answer to this question hinges on what is convenient/flattering for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:58 PM
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Some people are completely fine with claiming that their group, that they happen to identify with in this context, are a monolith-providing that the generalization is not unflattering. I more or less agree with this. My point was about women, but the argument can potentially apply to any group under similar circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:56 PM
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So your response to people giving general advice about women is I'm not responding to people giving general advice about women. Rather, I'm pointing out (among other things) that women's response to such generalities hinges on whether the generalization is flattering/convenient for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:50 PM
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I kind of disagree with you; I think most of what you are observing is a selection effect. People who are more desirable and easy to get along with tend to pair off. So that as time goes by, the percentage which is unattractive; mentally ill; single mom etc. steadily rises. For a man who is 35 dating is not much harder or easier than it was when he was 25. Although he might have to aim younger to find someone who is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:15 PM
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Because thats part of the tradition of the holiday. Oh really? So if a man posted that he and his wife are hosting Thanksgiving for the first time and asked if his wife should do all the cooking, he'll be told something along the lines of "of course, and women are happy to do this. It's the tradition of the holiday, after all."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:37 PM
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Basically women want to individualize the negatives and generalize the positives about women while individualizing the positives and generalizing the negatives about men. I agree. It's worth emphasizing that women (and society) are completely behind AWALT as long as it's not anything that puts women in a negative light. So for example, suppose a man asks if he should get his girlfriend some kind of gift for Valentine's Day. Of course he will be told "yes," and he will even be offered specific su…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 10:52 AM
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By some type of help I mean…whatever help is needed. I wasn’t referring to live in cleaning but most umc families hire a cleaner somewhere between weekly and monthly and severer figures is above umc A weekly cleaning person isn't going to be in a position to clear dishes after every meal. For that you need full-time live-in help. To answer your question as to why it’s not good to clear his plate 100% of the time..bc in general it’s not a good relationship dynamic Why exactly is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:26 PM
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Most men/families who make seven figures hire some type of cleaning help By "some type of cleaning help," do you mean a live-in maid, i.e. someone who can clear the dishes after every meal? Anyway, please answer my question: There are plenty of women who refuse to ever pay for a date; refuse to ever be the one to go check out a strange noise at night; and so on. Why is it so terrible that the woman clears the man's dishes 100% of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:47 PM
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How much money were you making and what were you expecting her to do Let's just say I am easily in the top 1% of incomes. if you refuse to evertake your own plate to the sink you’re going to have issues finding that But why? There are plenty of women who refuse to ever pay for a date; refuse to ever be the one to go check out a strange noise at night; and so on. Why is it so terrible that the woman clears the man's dishes 100% of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:21 PM
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If you are paying for everything all of the time, there are plenty of women who would be willing to be a homemaker FWIW that hasn't been my experience. I mean, in an absolute sense there are probably plenty of women, but in terms of percentages it's pretty unusual to meet a woman who is willing and eager to fulfill the traditional female role, which includes cleaning up after her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 12:42 PM
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As usual, for me the problem is in the hypocrisy. If a woman wants a man to fulfill the traditional role of being a good provider, then logically she should be willing to fulfill the traditional role of being a good homemaker. But a large percentage of women who insist on 6 (or more) figures would be OUTRAGED at the suggestion that they should happily bring the man a sandwich and a beer while he's relaxing watching the football game and clean up after he's done. Even among women who actually and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:56 AM
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Wow I never knew crossfit and the Dojo were women only I never knew it either. I assume you are attacking some kind of strawman. None of the hobbies I listed are gendered hobbies. That may very well be, but it doesn't make much difference. If an average single man joins (or tries to join) any kind of mix-gendered group, he will quickly discover that there are subtle and not-so-subtle barriers between him and any remotely desirable woman in the group. First, the point I made about status still ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:37 AM
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“Feminine men” aren’t the ones having issues running into women. An average or masculine guy is not welcome at a Pilates class. Yeah, I made a similar point up thread. If a woman goes to a chess club or a gun club, she'll have plenty of men hitting on her. If a man shows up at a yoga or ballet studio, he'll be seen as a weirdo and ostracized. There are a couple big problems with the "hobby" strategy for men. The first problem is that when you join a group, you automatically have low social statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 11:22 PM
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Women get told the first point because it is actually likely to work for them Yes, if a woman shows up at activity she will almost certainly get hit on repeatedly. The only exception is if it is something like yoga which is overwhelmingly female. It's actually an interesting asymmetry. If a woman shoes up at a chess club or a gun club, she'll have lots of men chasing her. If a man shoes up at a yoga or ballet studio, he'll be seen as a weirdo and ostracized. The only exceptions to this are if (1…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 11:13 PM
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Pretending to not despise/resent that which they do There is a difference between (1) despising/resenting society; and (2) enjoying the results of improving one's standing in society. So it doesn't seem like there's a lie here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:56 PM
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Most people don’t like living a lie What exactly is the lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 07:58 PM
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Self improvement is pointless if you hate and resent the reason you’re self improving I don't see why this is so. A man who hates women and society might still wish to improve his standing with women and with society. Doing so might actually diminish his feelings of hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 07:20 PM
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I agree that some manosphere ideas can be destructive to the extent that (1) they encourage men to sit around thinking "woe is me," blaming all their problems on women; (2) they encourage men to have an overly negative view of women; and (3) they (ironically) encourage men to value themselves based on their ability to sexually attract women. That being said, (1) a lot of manosphere thinking encourages self-improvement and similar constructive behavior; (2) to a large extent, having a negative vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:47 PM
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men wouldn't necessarily experience any reproductive benefits by virtue of their rarity if the functional roles of their sex are assumed by women and displaced by modern technology. Well where exactly is the sperm coming from to impregnate these women? If one assumes that it needs to come from a man, then in your 20/1 society, the average man can be expected to enjoy far more reproductive success than the average man in a 1/1 society. On the other hand, if technology gets to the point where wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:31 PM
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Perhaps a better example is the feminist double-standard regarding sex while intoxicated. Logically, if a drunk man has sex with a drunk woman, then either both are rapists or neither are rapists. But of course that's not how feminists see things. In that situation, they are perfectly happy to jump on the ancient "penis as defiler" idea so that the woman can be painted as the sole victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:22 PM
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being someone who has never tried the approach with a woman would somehow know better than a guy who has done it several times successfully. What makes you think I have "never tried" this approach? Seriously, what exactly did I say which led you to that conclusion? (In reality, I absolutely have tried your approach many times and it's never worked, not even once.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:38 AM
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But most single fathers are not millionaires. Only 15% of men 100k or more. Sure, and for most single fathers, their status as a single father is going to undermine their dating market value. Because most men don't have the money to support 2 families.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:35 AM
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This only really works if you’re a hot dude tbh. It will work if the man is very desirable, yes. But even then he will miss out on a lot of opportunities. A lot of decent women simply won't take the initiative even if they were interested enough that they would have agreed to date him. There's another problem, which if the man is desirable in part because he is high status, a passive strategy like that will select for women who are interested in using him. So for example, suppose the man is an e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:19 PM
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This is like the fable where the philosophers argue over how many teeth there are in a horse's mouth until finally someone just counts them. You can theorize all you want, but this is a situation where there is an empirically correct answer. And the empirically correct answer is that you are wrong. A man is much more likely to make a sexual/romantic connection with a woman if he asks for her contact information and then follows up. As opposed to offering his own contact information and waiting f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:12 PM
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I think childless women tend to be the pickiest because they are childless and second they're generally not fond of being step mother or like having husbands money going to another family. In general I agree, but I think the man's finances play a huge role in this calculus. To illustrate, if a woman has a choice between (1) a childless man who earns $100k a year, all of which will go to support the man, the woman, and their potential children; or (2) a single father who earns $1m a year, half of…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 10:30 PM
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Isn't their pool the same size as single fathers? I think that for single fathers, the hit to their dating market value turns on their financial success. If a man is a single father but he has plenty of money to pay for child support, child care, etc. and plenty left over, then being a single father will likely work in his favor. Not only are the children not a handicap, but their existence shows that another woman was willing to be sexually intimate with him and it also shows that he's fertile.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:16 PM
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single moms struggling to find decent men. I disagree, I guess that means that when young childless women claim that they are unable to find a decent man for a relationship, they are wrong. Agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:10 PM
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I agree, when a person says Roberto Duran is the greatest lightweight boxer they don't follow it up with but most heavyweight boxers would beat his ass. That would sound petty and silly to point out I disagree. Suppose the person is asked why they used the word "lightweight." Why not simply say that Roberto Duran is the greatest boxer, full stop? In that case, it would be totally reasonable to point out that, no, most heavyweight boxers would beat him in a fight. And that's the problem here. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:41 PM
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Cold approaching is creepy I hate that ugh Even assuming you are telling the truth here (which is unlikely -- most women LOVE to be approached by men they find attractive) men would be wise to not be concerned about your stated preferences. If any other guys are reading this exchange, this is why women should not be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:35 AM
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Just don't approach women in person, approach on dating apps That's more convenient for women, but it's largely ineffective for most men. A man can get much more desirable women through cold approach than he can get through dating apps (if he can get anyone at all through dating apps).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:24 AM
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No, what 🤣 Of course not. You don't like being approached in any way shape or form by a man who is "not your type." It "creeps [you] out" Of course, it's effectively impossible for a man to know in advance which women will find him attractive. Which is why women should not be taken seriously when they voice objections to male advances. If a man finds a woman interesting, he should (1) take his shot; (2) disengage if the woman doesn't reciprocate his interest; and (3) not worry about the woman's …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:10 AM
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Nothing, he wasnt my type and I don't like being approached in person it creeps me out. But it's okay if he sends you DMs?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:26 AM
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I remember when this guy pretended he wanted to study with me at university only to send me weird horny messages ugh. So bad. This post illustrates one of the contradictions faced by men: If you are open about your sexual interest, then you are "sending weird horny messages" If you are not open about your sexual/romantic interest, then you are "pretending" to be interested in something else. One could ask: What could/should this guy have done differently? Suppose he'd been 100% open from the sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:56 PM
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All this to essentially just say you aren’t attracted to men, or that there are so few that you rarely see them. Yeah we know women are rarely attracted to a small portion of men this is nothing new, it’s not because they are trying to appeal to women in the wrong way it’s because they cannot appeal to women. Yeah, I tend to believe that this is more a case of the female hypergamy instinct than anything else. The idea that lots and lots of men are losing out on dating opportunities when they cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:51 PM
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We never fucking liked being approached by men when shopping or running errands. Fuck off, go to a night club or bar where women are prepared to be hit on. For all the "women are not a monolith" types out there, here's your chance to note that this individual does not speak for all women. (Of course, the reality is that this is BS. Women LOVE being approached by men they find attractive, whether it's at a grocery store or a night club)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:22 PM
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Everyone knows you should take comedians seriously when they are on stage doing COMEDY. So your takeaway from that clip is that she wasn't seriously trying to imply that being a good listener is attractive to women? Seriously? If you're doing a favor as a way for Santa to give you pussy for Christmas, yes. Ok, so you concede that at least in some circumstances, a man acting kind and considerate to women will undermine their attraction for him, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:42 PM
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The nonsense they created for themselves to believe and that no but their equally dumbass peers created, yes. Would you put Phoebe Waller-Bridge in the group of people who created (and spread) this "nonsense"? That is told to children. And to adults. Did you watch the video I linked to? It does. Nonsense. For example, most guys learn at some point that doing a favor for a woman you are interested in will greatly undermine any attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:11 PM
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The truth is, the left cannot meaningfully address those issues I agree, it was instructive to see the Kamala Harris campaign ads that were aimed at men. The obvious way to do this would have been to present positive images of men who were truck drivers, factory workers, and so on, and make the argument that Kamala Harris will advocate for better wages and working conditions for them. But instead, they simply had tone deaf stereotypical portrayals of men saying, in substance, that they were "man…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:07 PM
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I don't really understand the argument being made here, but I do have a point to make on this subject. Here is a link to a female comic's monologue on Saturday Night Live: https://youtu.be/k8jXm_UNPF8?t=175 In part, she says this: I called the character "priest" in the script, but everyone started calling him "hot priest." Obviously, Andrew is hot. But this priest character caused such a horn storm. Andrew and I were trying to figure out what it was about him that was driving women so mental. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:54 PM
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If there was, women would read it and then do the exact opposite. Yeah, I was going to make a similar point. If there was some signal which was known to be a clear indication of interest, a lot of women would refrain from giving that signal. By their very nature, signals of interest are ambiguous and deniable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:56 PM
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I would say it depends on whether she's an actual friend or a friendzone friend. For example, would she invite you to social gatherings in order to facilitate you meeting potential girlfriends? Would she drop everything to help you out if you were in a jam? If she has plans with you and something more interesting comes along, would she stay loyal to you? If the answer is "yes," then she's probably a real friend. If the answer is "no," then yeah, it's smart to distance yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:54 PM
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Because I’m attracted to men and can understand why they would be too. So you are bisexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:39 PM
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In my daily life, I haven’t encountered an older man I’d consider more physically attractive than a man my age. I know they obviously exist, but I think it’s rare. I have less in common with older men, and I’d never be solely attracted to how much money a man has. If you are going by your own experiences, how is it that male attraction to other men is not mysterious to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:57 PM
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No, those are less mysterious. So why do you suppose it is that the attraction some women have for older men is unusually or uniquely mysterious?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:56 AM
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If you’re having chatting success as you get older it’s probably down to increased confidence or at least developing social skills and personality Possibly, but in any event it seems that the women who are repulsed by older men are balanced out by ones who find it attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:55 AM
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True, most of the sex pests in pattaya are christian fundamentalists Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:53 AM
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what was your childhood like? Well I was never a Christian fundamentalist. However I have a hard time believing that Christian types never go to rest stops; national parks; etc. Are you saying that it's atypical for a man to be approached by other men in these types of places?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:52 AM
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vast majority of families are legally married, if they break up, divorce and then court where the man gets fucked in child support and limited custodial visits. Even if there isn't a marriage, the woman can still sue for child support. And in the United States, a biological father has basically no defense to such a lawsuit. And any support order against him will be enforced VERY aggressively.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:04 PM
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On what basis is anyone, on either side of this debate, rationally determining what is more common? Are there stats I don't know about? I am pretty confident that a woman is much more likely to be abandoned and left destitute by a male partner who is roughly her age than one who is substantially older. Because (1) it's pretty common in age-gap relationships for the older partner to be financially successful; and (2) most Western countries have draconian laws in place to facilitate taking money a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:02 PM
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I didn’t say they weren’t legit or that they’re faking it. Their attraction to older men is simply a mystery to me. Well let me put the question a different way: Is the sexual attraction that some men feel for other men a mystery to you? Same question for sexual attraction between two women. Is that a mystery?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:52 PM
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Good thing you aren't a scientist Yes, because scientists never formulate reasonable hypotheses based on the evidence. rolls eyes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:15 PM
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Can we say the same thing about the men here who make posts about dick sizes It would depend on the context, but potentially, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:11 PM
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I think a lot of us have just never found older men attractive and don’t understand how other women do. I think that's a failure of imagination on your part. Other people have sexual preferences different from my own, sometimes very different, but I am able to understand that those people legitimately have those desires and aren't faking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:10 PM
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I just don't understand why a young woman would It seems other people have sexual preferences different from your own. At an emotional level, it's difficult for me to understand why some women like to be cursed at and whipped, but intellectually I accept the reality. To me, what's more interesting is that you felt the need to go into detail about why you find older men unappealing: "some old dudes half limp cock while trying to ignore his receding hairline. " When I tell people that I'm not gay,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:07 PM
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Hardcore Christians are usually not the kinds of guys that gay men want, is the point there. They don't go to places that gay men tend to socialise, As a man, I was hit on by another men (1) at a highway rest stop in the rural South; (2) in the bathroom at a national park; (3) at a restaurant/bar in a posh suburb; and (4) many other places which were not in Greenwich Village. Are you saying my experiences are atypical?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:02 PM
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How do you imagine it harming those men? See my response to overandunderX in this subthread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:58 PM
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How are men harmed by young women not dating them? Assuming for the sake of argument that a man is primarily interested in dating younger women, the harm is that his potential girlfriend/wife will be discouraged from entering a relationship with him. What policies have ever been put in place prohibiting older men from dating younger? No formal, legal policies. However there is certainly more social sanction at the moment than there was in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:58 PM
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literally nobody is advocating to moving up the age of consent so no That's not the only issue in play. Anyway, suppose some Christian organization were publicly condemning homosexual relationships but made it clear that they did not want to change any laws, they just wanted to make homosexual relationships less socially acceptable. Would gay groups be okay with that? Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:55 PM
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This is a very silly take and I think you’re misunderstanding the concern women have for age gap relationships. Many young women have openly shared being manipulated and abused by older, wealthier partners. The power dynamic isn’t always bad, but it has the potential to be bad. Assuming this is true, there would be no need for women to go into detail about the ways in which they find older men repulsive. In fact, the narrative that this type of relationship is dangerous for women reinforces the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:52 PM
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It's notable that I never hear this argument against income gap relationships. Yeah, as a side note it's pretty unusual to hear women being warned about dating men based on the fact that the man is much wealthier than them or much higher status. That being said, the suggestion that this is all about warning women regarding the dangers of old men pretty much supports my point. If we accept the narrative of older men being fat, repulsive, etc., and constantly harassing younger women who are grosse…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:49 PM
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Most of the women who have strong feelings against age gap relationships have experience with them and understand the power differential. It usually has very little to do with balding gray hair or being flabby And yet a lot of women feel the need to proclaim their disgust for age-gap relationships using this sort of language.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:43 PM
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Umm, yes. It's not a secret or a gotcha. We want to date younger women sometimes. Yeah, I think some people are interpreting my post as an attack on women in general and think it makes sense to launch a similar attack against men. But, of course, obviously some men are obsessed with age-gap relationships and much of that obsession is informed by attraction to younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:39 PM
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The whole premise of your argument is flat out wrong because the only thing attraction to older people and homosexuality has is the fact that sexuality is less a choice. Beyond that they’re entirely different How exactly are they different?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:34 PM
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This isn’t quite comparable, since same sex attraction is pretty much set in stone and a preference for older men can dwindle over time. I’d expect women in their early twenties to have a much higher rate of preference for older men, then women in their fourties. I would guess that women in their 40s prefer men in their 50s at a rate which is at least as high as women in their 20s preferring men in their 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:34 PM
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I genuinelly really don't understand what other women could possible see in older men. Some people have sexual preferences which are different from our own. There are men who prefer other men. Not my cup of tea, but the existence of such men does not perplex me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:32 PM
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idk my money’s on women with a vendetta against age gaps having just seen that kinda thing be abusive/grooming and they’re not interested in making an exception for the non-abusive types of age gap relationships If that were the primary objection, there would be no need to go on about older men being less attractive; less fit; less sexually potent, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:30 PM
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Because older men never stop bringing it up. I don't think that's the correct explanation. For example, there are presumably a lot of gay men posting online about their interest in dating other men. I (and most other straight men) don't feel the need to go into those threads and post about how disgusted I am by the idea of being intimate with another man. I (and most other straight men) don't feel the need to regularly and publicly proclaim our disgust about homosexual sex. Just because there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:55 PM
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By that logic, people who obsess about dispatching high body counts love hoes I'm not sure what you mean by the word "dispatching," but I would agree that if a man is constantly (and in great detail) discussing his disgust for promiscuous women, then yeah, it's reasonable to hypothesize that at some level he is excited by the idea of dating such a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:50 PM
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But what makes all these age-gap posts cringe in my opinion is when they spend all their time whining about it when if they really had the option to do in the first place, they’d just go do it That may very will be true, but that's not my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:34 PM
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But can't we say the same about men here obsessed by age gaps? To an extent, we can. If a middle-aged man is constantly harping about age-gap relationships, it's reasonable to hypothesize that he would like to date a woman a good deal younger. In fact, I think a lot of those men would openly admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:41 PM
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We can make this argument for anyone though Absolutely, and, depending on the context, there may be some validity to it. If a man is constantly telling people how repulsed he is by promiscuous women, it's reasonable to hypothesize that he would secretly love to date a sl*t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:39 PM
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Could you describe how you feel personally about the idea of you dating a man much older than you? Older, younger, or same age, I find it equally unappealing. At the same time, it's never happened even once that I have felt the need to go into a thread regarding age-gap homosexual relationships (or any kind of homosexual relationships) to tell everyone how disgusted I am by men making sexual advances towards me. Not even once. And I've been hit on by gay guys -- both old and young -- more times …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:35 PM
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As long as old men make up a majority of lawmakers, the risk of that happening is less than zero. I don't see why this follows. History is replete with examples of majority-male legislatures passing laws that help women at the expense of men. Anyway, even in the absence of legislation, social norms have a big impact on life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:37 PM
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Conversely, there is no large-scale push to outlaw age gaps between adult partners. There is a huge push to vilify older men who pursue younger women. Will it lead to actual legislation? I don't know, but it's certainly less socially acceptable than in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:25 PM
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When it matches the data it sounds more reliable than anecdotal evidence. I would have to disagree with that. If the data is based on self-reporting, or it is otherwise subject to social desirability bias, it's essentially worthless. On the other hand, it's possible to reach rough but somewhat accurate conclusions based on general knowledge and experience over many years. Cool, mine differ than yours as an almost middle-aged man How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:22 PM
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Older guys are richer on average, or at least have their shit much more together. Women like money and comfort, it’s not that complicated. I agree, but I think that this desire can sometimes turn into a fetish. For example, wearing a suit and tie is associated with wealth and status and a lot of women have suit fetishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:19 PM
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That Christian homophobe spreads hate and votes based on their beliefs which ultimately can affect the secular person. Similarly, people who spread hate against older men who are attracted to younger women can affect cultural beliefs and policies which ultimately can harm those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:13 PM
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You know how hardcore Christians are convinced that gay people will frequently hit on and harass them, but that doesn't really happen? No, I don't know that. I'm not a hardcore Christian, but I am a man and I've definitely been hit on many times over the years by gay men. I don't see why it would be any different for Christians. Certainly one could hypothesize that the reason some Christian fundamentalists are so obsessed with homosexuality is that they have had traumatic experiences as a result…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:01 PM
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Definitely disagree that it's just as easy to chat up young women as a middle aged man as it was when you are younger, most women seem to like only slightly older (going off of statistical data and what they themselves say) I'm going by my own experiences and observations. How often does it happen that I am sitting at a bar or a coffee shop and a young woman starts flirting with me? How often do I start chatting with a young woman at a grocery store and she is open to having a conversation and g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:54 PM
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Or men who insist promiscuous women are disgusting despite once again, there being plenty of men who don’t care. Yeah, I suspect that in a lot of cases, a man who is constantly going on about how he is repulsed by sl*tty women is secretly excited by them. It's no secret that having a "hot wife" is a common fetish among men. Which leads me to wonder why so many men who desire an age gap relationship apparently care so much about what women they’re not trying to date think about it. You could simi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:49 PM
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By on the spectrum I mean "do they have a hard time with indirect communication and struggle in high context setting?" If "hard time with indirect communication" means "naive enough to believe Blue Pill nonsense," then yeah, a lot of men are on the spectrum. Because quite frankly, in popular media, women are also fed the "love conquers all, looks don’t matter, health at every size" bs but we noticed Point of clarification: Are you claiming to speak for women as a group? somehow the people involv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:03 PM
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However it is not applicable to upvotes. Upvotes are about what majority think. It's also worth asking what would happen if these types of questions were asked in a more mainstream forum. I'm pretty confident that (1) there would be very strong sentiment, nearing consensus, that men should not approach unknown women; (2) separately, there would be very strong sentiment, nearing consensus, that men should not attempt to build familiarity with an ulterior motive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:44 PM
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Are men on the spectrum ? A lot are. If by "on the spectrum" you mean "at some point, they are naive enough to believe blue-pill BS" So for example, a young man hears a woman (online, on television, in real life) saying something like "I can't believe that guy just tried to start talking to me while I was waiting for a bus" and other women saying something like "yeah, what a creep!" Yes, it's somewhat autistic, but a lot of men in that situation will infer that there is an unwritten rule that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:35 PM
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In reality, anywhere can be valid, but the street remains the most practical option, I don't think the street is such a great place (peoples' guard is naturally up) but it's definitely a much better idea than joining some activity group.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:33 PM
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Sounds like the boy in this context can only make a move when he's considered a good boy. Lol if this is the best advice you heard what type of advice are you listening to? Yeah, I think a man is much much better off doing random approaches at a mall than joining some activity group and waiting for "sparks." For one thing, approaching random women at the mall will allow the man to develop his skills in terms of assessing whether a woman is interested. But more importantly, there are a few big pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:23 PM
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Occasional conversations might happen with other dudes, not chicks It depends on the gym, but in general I would agree with you. The key problem at gyms (IMO) is that the women there perceive themselves to be surrounded by people who may judge them negatively if they are seen engaging with the wrong man. So that even if a woman at the gym finds you interesting, unless you are extremely attractive or high status, she will be reluctant to engage with you. The other problem at gyms, in my experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:09 PM
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Some women are just not open to dating and you need to make your peace with that I agree, I think the problem is when women or society state or imply that the man misbehaved in some way by trying to chat a woman up at the gym, or a coffee shop, or a bus stop. Because a lot of men take these sorts of pronouncements very seriously. They genuinely don't want to violate some important social norm. They don't want to be "that guy." And they are genuinely (and justifiably IMHO) upset when they learn t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:57 PM
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Assuming that this post isn't a piece of performance art, I would guess that he's not as good-looking as he thinks he is. So for example, maybe he's getting all these matches from a single profile picture from 10-15 years ago; in his other pictures his looks have declined significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:51 PM
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To an extent I agree, but I think that there's another way to look at this: If a woman wants a man who is financially successful, arguably what it really means is that she wants a man who fulfills the traditional expectations imposed on a man. From that perspective, I have no objection if that woman is not herself financially successful, but a lot of the time this type of woman is unwilling to meet the traditional expectations imposed on a woman, for example cooking meals for the man or cleaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:34 PM
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More like that is who they really are rather than putting on a nice show. However, most guys who abuse women usually love bomb them first which means that they know how to act super nice and do successfully attract them in order to trap them. I'm not sure I understand you. Are you disputing that there are numerous men who are careful to be kind and considerate towards women with the hopes that it will improve their romantic prospects?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:26 AM
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I disagree with almost everything you wrote, but ultimately it doesn't matter because you seem to agree that the "nice guy" phenomenon is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:19 AM
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This isn’t really a phenomenon, in my opinion. I don't have any studies to back it up, but based on my general observations, things like this happen all the time. Let me ask you this: Do you dispute that there are numerous men who are careful to be kind and considerate towards women with the hopes that it will improve their romantic prospects?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:04 AM
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Then they are now a Nice Guytm Of course you are free to define the term "nice guy" any way you like. The only question I have is this: What if the guy posts online, in substance, that he feels frustrated in his dating life because he regularly sees women choosing men who mistreat them over men who treat women with kindness and consideration? Is that a "Nice Guy (tm)" in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 09:39 PM
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Lol if you try to be friends with a woman, she’s more likely to be friends with you. If you try to date a woman, she will more likely try to date you. You get what you give. You shouldn’t love bomb a girl after a few months of playing as a friend, you should be dropping hints the whole way and seeing what her reaction to those are to know if you’re firmly in the friend zone or not Possibly, yes. In general, the strategy of being kind and considerate is counterproductive. But that's a different i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:34 PM
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Regardless of what words are used to describe the situation, I think it's a pretty common scenario that (1) a guy is careful to be kind and considerate towards women with the hopes that it will improve his romantic prospects; (2) he becomes friendly with a particular woman, feels that their relationship is becoming closer, and hopes it will lead to something romantic/sexual; and (3) the woman rejects his sexual/romantic interest in favor of guys who treat her relatively poorly. You can call the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:14 PM
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Yes. All I can say is, assuming you are telling the truth, you are very very unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 06:31 PM
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You don’t think I am comfortable with my husband having female friends? Oh boy 🤣🤣 That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Just so we are clear, it's perfectly fine with you if an attractive woman at your husband's job invites him to meet her for dinner and drinks (alone) and he accepts and goes out with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 06:07 PM
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Not all of us assume that our guy friends are sexually attracted to us. Obviously I have no idea who you are, but to me this is just another example of women's tendency to describe their beliefs, feelings, and motivations in the most self-flattering way they can. Everyone knows that if a member of the opposite sex from work, school, etc. invites you to spend time with them outside of work, school, etc., it's pretty likely that they are interested in you in a sexual/romantic way. And yet, when it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 12:56 PM
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I would bet my LIFE that 19 century ladies were banging the shit out of the help. Depends on whether they found that help attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:00 PM
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Thanks for posting this, I think there is another issue in play. Suppose a man is interested romantically in a woman and he starts trying to spend time with her. (Depending on your perspective, you could call this "getting to know her better" or you could also call this "feigning friendship with an ulterior motive.") The point is this: In these situations, 99% of the time the woman knows perfectly well that the man is interested in her sexually/romantically. It's easy enough to verify this by ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:12 PM
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Thanks to social media and dating apps as well, you’re not just competing with the dudes in your immediate surroundings but guys from all over. Yeah, 20 or 30 years ago, attending a university with a 2/1 female/male ratio was pretty great as a man. I would expect that the internet has smoothed out a lot of these dating market inefficiencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:24 PM
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Women are entitled to their standards but that doesn't mean that society as a whole has to cheer them on. I agree. Also, if a man struggles with dating, many people will tell him that there must be something very wrong with him. If a woman leaves her long-term partner, society tends to assume that the man must have misbehaved in some way. What if a big part of the problem is that most women are not attracted to most men, regardless of what those men do or don't do? Society has a difficult time a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:30 AM
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