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Maybe a function of algorithms, sort of like watch ONE video by Bjorn Lomborg (climate economist not questioning IPCCs findings but doing the math on trade-offs and concluding that sun and wind are not the silver bullets we need) and the next day, youtube suggests Tucker Carlson and the Heartland Institute railing against Greta. Before that, it was all about not only civilisation, but the planet, going up in flames in a decade and stolen futures. I actually had a hard time finding many outlets o…
/r/MensRights02/06/22 05:57 PM
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Indeed. However, before seeing this, it actually took some effort to find articles openly defending Heard. Almost all at this stage defend Depp, although he is far from a saint himself. Many actually now mention male victims of abuse, although put in a sensationalist tone as if no one could imagine that being a problem. More among liberal and conservative outlets than progressive ones, but not starkly so. And caring about male victims of abuse is in fact a hyperprogressive issue in its nature. I…
/r/MensRights02/06/22 05:51 PM
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Is it not the height of misogyny to equate someone as obviously disturbed as Heard with women in general? How else could you interpret people siding with Depp as misogyny, or hatred of an entire gender and hence driven by gender, rather than her actions? It is hard to imagine even the most extreme MRA seeing this as misandry if the genders were reversed - and that includes people so radical that even I, as a fellow MRA, cringe in instinctive opposition. Having said that, theyre both pretty crazy…
/r/MensRights02/06/22 05:47 PM
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You mean the testosterone that shortens mens lives, prompts them to take irrational risks, and make some of them willing to work hard and risk violence and hook up with obviously mentally disturbed women (and men) for access to sex?
/r/MensRights06/04/22 01:35 PM
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How is Owens not a liberal? She is for free speech, free markets (well she is obviously not an economist, but that is the spirit)? And racist... did not notice it. I heard her rail against welfare dependence once, but that is a white problem as well and not really controversial. She might rail at the extreme left wing, yes. But I never heard her rail at liberals. But perhaps you meant to say illiberals? That would make more sense. Sorry am not from the US - the word liberal is used there in a wa…
/r/MensRights12/03/22 08:26 AM
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Actually I read most trafficking victims are men. But there is an incentive to exaggerate the numbers, so for instance Bengalis lured to work in Kuwait under partially false pretenses count. But I would guess men are more likely to be trafficked for gruelling labour and women more for domestic work and sexual services. Not sure how this amounts to an advantage - we are talking about people in dire circumstances so that it seems silly to reduce it to gender when the much larger issue is poverty a…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:52 PM
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There are many things about male and female gender roles that are toxic - including to men and women themselves. The problem is the term is being used in a political, polarizing way to imply that masculinity is toxic, rather than that parts of masculinity in some situations can be so. The hyperbole is similar to the use of misogyny to cover anything from outright hatred of 50% of humanity (of which I cannot think of an example and even if I can find one the primary diagnosis would probably be ps…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:41 PM
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Indeed, the MRM suffers from a lack of moderate, articulate spokespeople, and the movement increasingly errs on the side of radicalism and resentment. Perhaps you have to be a bit radical and resentful to even join a movement that many malign and even call a hate group (of course a ridiculous claim, but to some extent it might trigger moves in that direction and an association with all kinds of populism on the right (though right is misleading as no one can reasonably argue Trump is anything clo…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 02:25 PM
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The problem is not that feminism has gone too far (which it arguable has in several areas). The problem is that we have allowed them too. After all, I am sure KKK would go "too far" but we do not let them. There are all kinds of crazy out there. Why is this particular kind of crazy so successful? That is the question.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 02:22 PM
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It is simple: gender roles are deeply entrenched for the simple reason that if men had not provided and protected and women had not born an average of five children each, our species would not have survived. That explains why only men were subject to coercion in this case. That this coercion is driven by men is also no surprise. Most gender role constraints are enforced by members of the same gender. It is mothers who insist on their girls being subjected to FGM (fortunately nowadays rare and mo…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 02:15 PM
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I am honestly wondering what the upside is to being a man? One that stems from gender alone, not looks, strength, assertiveness or other features. Growing up as a gay man, not overly effeminate, but soft spoken and unable to embrace what I saw as a very narrow role - and riddled with the self-loathing that most gay men felt before coming out in the very homophobic recent past - I cannot think of anything. In fact, people were much more willing to listen to women with my cautious demeanor. As an …
/r/MensRights07/03/22 02:07 PM
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I find this recent crop of young, eloquent conservatives like Owens, DSouza, Michael something, quite fascinating. I am a liberal (free market; small but effective government; gay rights), but I think it is important conservatives play a more productive role - progressives should tell us what the goals are, liberals should tell us how to achieve them (with their support for free markets and skepticism towards government), and conservatives should watch over all to make sure no one goes to far. A…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 02:01 PM
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When I looked into this, what struck me how universal this phenomenon was. You found similar pictures in Saudi-Arabia (with their horrifically strict gender roles) and Sweden (where default shared custody and lack of permanent alimony and any child support based on basic needs rather than income - hence a country with few of the incentives people point to here). Why, apart from monetary disincentives, do you think that men are less likely to initiate divorce? Are they more likely to resign thems…
/r/MensRights23/02/22 11:51 AM
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The bar sure is higher. Nevertheless, at least there is one.....
/r/MensRights23/02/22 11:47 AM
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The college campus mess aside, I think it is important to remember this is nothing view. I would contend that, when it comes to sexual assault, we have had a guilty until proven innocent stance and punished such crimes more harshly than even murder throughout human history. Of course, these norms interacted with others, such as class differences and gender roles. It is hard to imagine them applying to a case of a black man accusing an upper class white woman of rape, regardless of evidence. But …
/r/MensRights20/02/22 06:11 PM
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Sort of like the climate change discussion, where people pretty much have the option of extreme alarmism, outright denial, or silence, reducing the problem of false accusations to a single number is harmfully misleading and, of course, politically infused. It starts with something as simple as what we mean by false accusations. If we mean someone who maliciously makes everything up and then is proven to have done so, we will of course arrive at the lower figures often cited of up to 8%. But most…
/r/MensRights08/02/22 01:20 PM
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That sounds crazy, and is perhaps so in most cases. But not all, right? If I know someone is a recovering alcoholic, I should have a moral obligation not to offer her alcohol? In fact, the reason we would not allow adults having sex with people under 16, for instance, is that we posit that they are not capable of full consent. Surely, neither is an addict. In fact that is why I as a liberal (libertarian for Americans) question whether it is in fact compatible with liberty to liberalise recreatio…
/r/MensRights01/02/22 12:11 PM
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This seems clear to me. As a teenager, I think it is much worse for a guy to be called a fag than for a woman to be called butch. Well, not sure about todays teenagers - things are changing fast for the better, but still. Masculinity is fragile (meant in a compassionate sense).
/r/MensRights29/01/22 11:10 AM
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The kernel of truth is that mens higher inclination to take risks and endure hardship for status and financial reward creates privilege for those who succeed, but at a price. If that is male privilege, then I would have no problem sharing it with women. In fact, while I find plenty at junior level with excellent degrees, I am desperately looking for them at senior levels for positions in developing countries. Privilege, ladies, please, have some.
/r/MensRights29/01/22 11:04 AM
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I am not sure working in a field position in South Sudan is all that much of a privilege, or working the long hours and travelling needed to reach a senior position is. Being successful is what makes men attractive for reproduction; whereas female success is more neutral on that point - so men simply have more incentives to try and take risks. I must add, though, that what I have seen is not by far as stark a picture as you paint. I get plenty of silly applications from women, too - but for the …
/r/MensRights29/01/22 11:00 AM
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What surprises me is that she was shocked.... how could anyone think anything differently? To be fair, though, it is not only gender. It is also age, perceived social class, perhaps a bit of race. At least I would expect so. As a white, blond, gay, and pretty obviously non-threatening man, I cannot say I have encountered excessive force.
/r/MensRights28/01/22 08:28 AM
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The figures fit with my personal experience. It applies the most to senior positions that require relocation and travel. We have an organisation-wide mandate to maintain parity at all levels, but, say, for a senior hardship position in a conflict zone we are lucky to receive even one qualified woman. Men are much more likely to accept such a stint if it helps them climb the ladder than women (even for positions where for obvious reasons family members are not allowed to join).
/r/MensRights28/01/22 08:22 AM
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Well, at least she is honest - which I find much better than pretending to care and de facto doing nothing or advocating against it in practice. Still, the problem is not that she does not care. Most of us do not care about most problems, if nothing else for the simple reason that we would be neurotic wrecks if we tried. Rather, the problem is that people of that ilk appear to have a monopoly over almost any discussion related to gender. That is because, while most people, if pressed, disagree, …
/r/MensRights13/01/22 08:21 AM
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With apologies, I disagree with pretty much every single point, starting with the implication that I am not a true MRA as I see the movement as progressive (in the original sense of the word, as opposed to the exact nature of what we would call progressive politics today) to such an extent that I see no way of responding in a way that would not lead this discussion to descend into a mire of polarisation and deliberate or unintentional misunderstandings. I think I have made my case above, so I su…
/r/MensRights13/01/22 08:16 AM
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Interesting. I of course completely disagree with the, perhaps deliberately sharpened claim, that MRM is conservative - but that is ok, because what is interesting is figuring out exactly how and why we disagree. First of all, I mean conservative in the Burkean sense, what Americans may call small c conservative - in that sense, someone like Trump is of course anything but conservative. I also, quixotically, insist on using liberal in the traditional sense (civil rights, free markets, minimally …
/r/MensRights12/01/22 08:15 AM
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Technically, I think it is called ephebophilia to want to or even actually have sex with children after the onset of puberty. I think it is important to make that distinction, as well as that between people with pedophile desires and people who actually have the iniquity to act on them. But yes, you are right - in the public discourse, few want to even hint at mitigating circumstances when the perpetrators are male. Even in cases such as, say, statutory "rape" with very small age differences. In…
/r/MensRights11/01/22 01:23 PM
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I have no doubt the conclusion is selective and biased in several ways. At the very least, had the data led to the opposite conclusion, the study would probably have been tweaked to fit the narrative, remained under the radar screen as a technical publication, or been abandoned and rejected altogether. But what we know about gender differences do, I think, explain what might be a smaller but nevertheless clear trend along these lines. Surgery is a high-risk occupation: and men are more likely to…
/r/MensRights11/01/22 01:03 PM
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This is not because women are more aggressive - clearly, men are. Rather, it is because women who are aggressive are much less likely to face a violent response or other serious sanctions. Even if aggressively inclined women constitute a small minority, that minority faces far fewer constraints and conditioning. That is also why it does not surprise me at all that women constitute the majority of perpetrators of light physical violence.
/r/MensRights11/01/22 12:57 PM
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How can it be that the claim that the pay gap is driven by discrimination is still anywhere near accepted? It is a bit like claiming there is scientific proof for the existence of God (I still support the positive sides of religion - it is just clearly in a different realm). There could still be several issues to the detriment of women involved, especially around the difficulty of combining careers with parental leave - when I recruit people (public sector) I on the one hand face very strong pre…
/r/MensRights11/01/22 12:52 PM
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Feminism purports to support gender equality. In doing so, it points to the harmful effects of gender roles. So far, so good. In fact, all MRA concerns that I can think of would fit snugly under that framework - if anything, especially given the empathy gap, men are much more constrained by gender roles than women and have made little progress for that brief blip of human history (the past century, say) when they stopped being essential for human survival. The problem is that, motivated by the i…
/r/MensRights11/01/22 12:48 PM
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Feminism is, in fact, not that popular. Did we not see figures like less than 10% supporting it, depending on the question? The more loony parts of feminism we complain about here, even less so. The reason it is still so influential and dominates any gender discussion is not as much its popularity, but the broader enabling environment, including on the right. Many might dismiss its antics, but our empathy for women and our sympathy for the purported goal of gender equality is near-universal. The…
/r/MensRights11/01/22 11:52 AM
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I am not so sure that is true to the extent implied: in fact, I see quite a bit of rhetoric and even alarmism about the harm of single motherhood and neglectful career mothers. But it is indeed true that they would oppose mens liberation, should there be one, much more vehemently. This is because they see womens liberation as less harmful than mens. In fact, it is not a coincidence that women entered the labour force en masse (apart from during the world wars) only after we had become a wealthy …
/r/MensRights11/01/22 11:43 AM
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Subsidising birth control and any medical service related to reproduction strikes me as pretty reasonable. The real gap lies elsewhere, such as cancer research and use of medical services (admittedly also because men on average and especially in the lower classes take less care of themselves).
/r/MensRights02/01/22 11:22 AM
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Do not Ted Lasso and several of the players qualify as.... positive characters?
/r/MensRights02/01/22 11:19 AM
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Of course. As a gay man, I have had dozens of encounters that would today qualify as harassment, such as mild groping - including in one case by an inebriated woman confident that her charms were strong enough to convert me (I assume). I cannot imagine that I am a strong exception here. Or am I?
/r/MensRights02/01/22 11:17 AM
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Fascinating. Would blaming Epstein not be the first point of call? At any rate, it strikes me how much the narrative trying to exculpate her is anything but progressive, but downright reactionary: a Victorian vision of women as incapable of such actions. As I understand it, in those days, sometimes even serial killers (women) were exonerated by all male juries in cases where the seriousness of the crime and level of evidence exceeded those in this case. Justice was served in a path-breaking way.…
/r/MensRights02/01/22 11:14 AM
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My first question would be: what do you want to achieve exactly and why would you consider a medium prone to cancelling you the appropriate way to do it? If you want to vent, do it here or on non-political platforms (admittedly not proliferating). If, on the other hand, you want to convince, I am afraid you have to approach the issues from an ostensibly feminist framework. For instance, I have seen many male feminists gripe about the same issues discussed here, but the framing has been along the…
/r/MensRights29/12/21 01:23 PM
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Indeed. But look throughout history, and the difference, with a few exceptions, was much larger. In fact, by many measures, we now treat female criminals much more harshly than at any time in history. I read somewhere that the reason the US (or a state in the US) allowed women to serve on juries was not as much because of a drive to extend the liberal principles of the constitution to women, but because of the inability of an all-male jury to convict a blatant, well publicized case of a female s…
/r/MensRights29/12/21 12:12 PM
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On this point, it strikes me how much better off we would all be if women learned a bit, not too much, from male confidence and risk-taking, and men learned a bit, perhaps a bit more, from female caution. Then again, on some level, most of our fears are radically overblown. I used to think Corona lockdowns were a good example not only of overreaction, but lacking long-term perspective; but then I thought about how we reacted to the risk of terrorism after 9/11 (ten times as many people died in i…
/r/MensRights29/12/21 12:05 PM
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A bit neurotic, perhaps, but it is easy to see where he is coming from. It reminds me of a documentary I saw about women under Taliban. As it is very difficult to attract female doctors to work outside of Kabul, the only place retaining a semblance of normalcy for the elite, male doctors have to care for female patients. As they are not allowed to see a womans face, let alone see her naked, the process they go through when seeing expectant mothers is bizarre (as a GP, as all obstetricians are wo…
/r/MensRights22/12/21 09:03 AM
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Really? I have never seen that, though I am sure there are some that actually think that way. I think the larger issue is that (a) they have no incentive to think hard about the issue and simply assume it is easier for men; and (b) even in cases where they cannot plausibly deny that it is harder for men, they act on the logic of their role as a lobby for women to the detriment of the purported intent of mitigating harmful effects of gender roles (from which arguably all gender-related problems s…
/r/MensRights18/12/21 10:44 AM
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It has always been around. In fact, throughout history we were much more obsessed with myths, utopian ideals, and conspiracy theories. And it is universal, on the left and the right, just on different issues. Think, for instance, about the virtue signaling of religious fundamentalists, the Communist witch hunts, and the rhetorical climate post 9-11. History also shows us things can get pretty silly and at times harmful before the trend reverses. In this case, it is already reversing. Complaining…
/r/MensRights17/12/21 02:06 PM
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Feminists have fought hard against the (exaggerated, but then all activists of all stripes exaggerate) oppressive nature of beauty standards. While it is of course silly to go as far as to celebrate obesity, we men should take a moderate bit of inspiration from that. Though I think for men the oppressive nature is a bit less about physical beauty and much more about prowess, right? I see many beautiful women with mediocre-looking but successful men; but almost never the other way around.
/r/MensRights17/12/21 02:00 PM
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So sad, especially as one thing I think most of us, including feminists, agree on is the need for more male teachers. The other day, a six-year-old girl came up to me when I was walking my dog and joined me for the rest of the walk. It was fun, but I kept thinking what might the situation look like? How will the parents react when she comes home saying she was on a walk with an unknown man? I could not shake the thought. And most probably, it was just me. But still, if I worked with children eve…
/r/MensRights17/12/21 01:57 PM
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Fascinating example of a ridiculous stretch of the imagination and selective reading of statistics. With road fatalities down 98% per mile driven since the 70s, even IF this were true, even turning this into a talking point implies that it is indicative of problems women face - in order words, close to negligible. But there are indeed some issues around product standards. Kitchen counter height adapted to the average women; tractors to the average man; and, perhaps more seriously, medication for…
/r/MensRights17/12/21 01:52 PM
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Feminism, or the parts of Christina Hoff Summers calls "victim" or "fainting couch" feminism (underlying almost all of critical discussion on this forum), is, to my mind, conservative and at times downright reactionary. It reinforces rather than combats gender roles. It is the same instinct that prompts conservative Moslem women to cover up. And, incidentally, at the core of disadvantages women might face in reaching top positions: if you see someone as a fragile victim, you are not going to ent…
/r/MensRights10/12/21 11:54 AM
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I think this might be in part because middle and upper class men are more likely to live as openly gay, no?
/r/MensRights06/12/21 09:26 AM
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Most people know, I guess, that about three fourths of COVID victims are mal. But it is actually much more pronounced that that figure might suggest. This is because women are highly overrepresented in risk groups, making up something like 80% of people over 80%. Simple arithmetic will yield something like men are ten times likelier than women, other factors being equal. In general, women should worry more about autoimmune than infectious diseases. I have not seen any formal consideration of gen…
/r/MensRights06/12/21 09:24 AM
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That is great. Though, not to be cynical, it is perhaps not a coincidence that the races align with a particular narrative.... Still, progress of sorts.
/r/MensRights03/12/21 09:53 AM
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I have heard that many times, justifiably or not, in, say, divorce cases - he conned me into signing it. But a CEO??? That strains credulity. I am fascinated now, let me know if you find it.
/r/MensRights03/12/21 09:51 AM
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The question goes to the heart of why MRAs and feminist, despite their purported support for equality, do not get along; and why feminism (or the parts of which at times maligned as victim feminism) is deeply gender-role conservative. Funny, that, because 200 years ago, feminist pioneer Wollstonecraft pointed to this contradiction: for women to be empowered, they first have to slough off their privileges (tied to being seen as lacking agency and worthy of protection). And if there is any truth t…
/r/MensRights03/12/21 09:48 AM
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Not sure Extinction Rebellion stuff gets banned...? And is hate speech against women even a thing? I see a few generalisations and some anger on here, but nothing that mounts to outright hatred against a whole gender. Meanwhile, QAnon and vaccine conspiracy stuff is all over, although driven by a small but loud minority. I am asking honestly: where is the hate speech against women in the true sense of the word?
/r/MensRights12/11/21 11:59 AM
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This is either fake or a case of clear personality disorder, assuming that is the whole story. But it is true, as I hear from my female friends in the upper half of the attractiveness spectrum, that fending off advances, some of them gauche, is part of their daily lives. Most of them have no problem with it and often feel flattered, and most men take the hint quickly and remain polite, but I am sure sometimes it can be annoying. So while we should push back against extremism and antics such the …
/r/MensRights11/11/21 12:07 PM
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Why would you even want to? How well would you feel working in such a company even if you get the job? Take your skills and talents to where they are useful and appreciated.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 12:03 PM
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I work with economic development (in an organisation well known for its virtuous stance on gender issues that I constantly have to ignore or work around). One of the most striking ways this plays out is in innovative (and inherently high-risk) entrepreneurship. In several countries in the developing world, women trump men even among MINT graduates - including several conservative, Moslem ones. The labour force participation of educated women is close to that of men (they make enough money to pay…
/r/MensRights11/11/21 12:02 PM
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They are deliberately conflating gender roles (which hurt men and can be seen in things like the empathy and life expectancy gaps) and patriarchy defined implicitly as a system that benefits men at the expense of women. Pretty disingenuous: that way, they can justify focusing only on how gender roles hurt women and ignore how they hurt men because, after all, we already have the benefits of patriarchy. See how that works...?
/r/MensRights11/11/21 10:08 AM
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A quick look: ranging from overblown but real gripes to obsessive confabulation. The real question is: why does it matter? I would not even look at subs that openly support, say, QAnon, vaccine conspiracy theories, or Extinction Rebellion. Let alone expect to change anyones mind on that platform.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 09:47 AM
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Incredible. First, on what to do: top of my list would be to not go anywhere near anyone who says something even close to that even if in jest (there is some seriousness to all jokes). They do, I hope, make up a small minority. And more generally, avoid toxicity - find friends and environments where you feel good and ignore or do not take too seriously the idiotic and malicious if you do not have to. Second, the cavalier tone strikes me as egregious. Should a boy make a similar joke about sexual…
/r/MensRights11/11/21 09:25 AM
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To my mind, there is not much thought behind it - but focusing on women and girls is simply a lazy but effective tool to raise alarm about pretty much any issue. Even if you link extreme weather events to climate change (let alone anthropogenic influence alone), which neither the IPCC nor any serious scientists do with any level of certainty (although we do know that rapid climate change no matter the reason is correlated with such instability), it is hard to see how floodings and hurricanes aff…
/r/MensRights10/11/21 09:31 AM
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Actual hatred of a whole gender, especially of women, as a systematic phenomenon rather than a mental disorder, is of course a myth. We would not have survived as a species if we had not been selected for protecting and providing for women in the brutal, violence and disease ridden world where humanity has spent 99.99% of its existence. Rather, the reason we even talk about misogyny is because we all find the thought so egregious. So labelling anything ranging from violence against a woman to ga…
/r/MensRights02/11/21 05:04 PM
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To be honest - and I might be in a slightly different news world here - out of the coverage on Afghanistan, it seems like we have an obsession with the plight of women and girls, especially when it comes to education. It frustrates me a bit - not because I do not agree that it is atrocious not to let girls go to school beyond primary (it is), but because the narrative misses much more important issues. It is a dirt-poor country with rampant poverty and terrible schooling for the vast majority wh…
/r/MensRights02/11/21 03:16 PM
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Just like it should not be taboo for a woman to be interested in sex, it should not be taboo for a man to not (always) be interested either.... At any rate, women often have a hard time handling rejection for the simple reason that they are not as used to it as straight men and feel wounded. So if they accuse a man of being gay they are insulting themselves more than anyone else...
/r/MensRights25/10/21 02:56 PM
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Is being called gay seriously something anyone would take as an offense in this day and age? Especially since it is so clearly motivated by her anger at rejection? Seriously, I am asking as I am in another generation
/r/MensRights22/10/21 10:57 AM
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Dozens of studies in many countries consistently find that, in anonymous surveys, both men and women indicate that 70-80% of unidirectional light physical and psychological DV are perpetrated by women. The proverbial slap, say. We have known this for decades. However, when we look at police reports, we find something like 20% of the reports being from men. I would say all DV victims are unlikely to report cases apart from serious violence; but men are even more so than women and only as a last r…
/r/MensRights22/10/21 10:54 AM
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There is of course satire. The language in the original post was simply too insane and devoid of any common sense. It sounds like the strawman version of Marie Antoinette complaining that peasants smelled or told them to simply eat cake if they were out of bread (both allegedly not true, though). And how on earth can this come from the left? Is it not aristocratic elitism and social conservatism (protect women from the dirty stare of men, as in Victorian times) taken to the extreme? It is actual…
/r/MensRights22/10/21 10:45 AM
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Reminds me of Bill Burr mocking the unquestioned statement that Oprah and many others made: Being a mother is the hardest job in the world.... I actually do not think we are accepting of deadbeat mothers - in fact, traditionally, being a raven mother is replete with stigma. But I think what is happening here is overdoing it to strike down the strawman version of that stigma. You know, sort of like women proudly celebrating their abortions or extolling the virtues of single mothers: it is not tha…
/r/MensRights22/10/21 09:54 AM
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Really? I would have expected some of that reaction if the perpetrator was female (and not that much older) - but not if the perpetrator was a much older male. True, you would not get as much sympathy as a girl (with a male perpetrator), but somewhere halfway. But that was only my expectation, and I am sorry it happened to you. I find the accusation of leading him on disgusting, because even if it were true, you were 14 and he was much older. It is one thing to be a pedophile (there is another w…
/r/MensRights22/10/21 09:46 AM
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This must be satire. Sort of like the article in the Oberlin student news paper about a woman feeling traumatised that cis-male workers entered her women only dorm to fix her heating and how the administration ignored her ordeal. That or the QAnon of feminism. Either way, best to ignore it... or laugh
/r/MensRights20/10/21 11:54 AM
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Because we empathise with women by dint of their gender (with men only by dint of something else but their gender, such as race or class or disability). And media has incentives to write stories that affect us emotionally and confirm our biases - in fact, in the US it has become so extreme that, watching CNN and then Fox, you get the impression they are reporting on two different worlds. Consider the areas where there is some traction on mens issues: it is either because of temporary shock value…
/r/MensRights20/10/21 10:16 AM
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I am much more concerned that we take these cases seriously in the first place and that we help victims, regardless of gender. Making this an offense that could lead to life in prison - maybe later. At any rate, I think we punish sexual assault far too harshly - in Germany, a Moslem immigrant received a four year custodial sentence for touching a womans breast, whereas, had he run her over and killed her, he might have gotten away with half of that (of course if involuntary manslaughter). I foun…
/r/MensRights20/10/21 10:11 AM
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I know, and we have found this since pretty much the 70s - although of course most surveys only ask questions about violence against women (by men - even lesbian partner violence was taboo until recently). Although the evidence is scant, it also appears to hold true across the world, including conservative Moslem countries that we normally stereotype along the lines of the handmaids tale (even that dystopia was not radical enough of late given the flac Atwood received). It also fits with my pers…
/r/MensRights09/10/21 01:31 PM
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Whitaker 2007 study "Differences in frequency and injuries in reciprocal vs non reciprocal IPV". Thanks, I looked at it. Women standing for 70% of non-reciprocal DV - it is easy to see why many would stop reading after that point. People do not want to even think about that - especially on the right in my experience. However, I could not find a specific discussion of correlation, let alone causality, between light nonreciprocal violence for a long time followed by serious violence from the other…
/r/MensRights08/10/21 09:43 AM
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The bizarre thing is: on the one hand, we define misogyny as hating more than half of the population. Not disliking, or disrespecting - outright hating. By this definition, I cannot think of a single misogynist. Jack the Ripper comes to mind - but he did not hate women, he hated prostitutes and saw himself as a moral crusader. Anyone else? Honestly? At the same time, we USE the word misogyny for pretty much anything that COULD be interpreted as referring to negative gender role stereotypes, even…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 08:12 PM
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I would love to see where this has been shown, as until now it has only been a wild guess that strikes me as common sense, but many as surprising. Indeed, if you think about it, there are many points of feminist advocacy that hurt women at least as much as they help them. Quotas, shared parental leave, shared custody, abolition of alimony, celebration of victimhood, hype and hysteria and dismay around the glass ceiling and the wage gap (more precisely - pointing to the wage gap implying that dis…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 07:56 PM
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No, I do not assume that at all. I was just saying even if they were correct, the mismatch in attention and funding would still be so stark that any perspective on gender equality would see scope for action. And even if you in fact ONLY care about women victims, you should be concerned. In dysfunctional relationship where the woman does most of the abuse and the man has been conditioned and biologically programmed never to hit back, in some cases and at one point he might lose his inhibitions an…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 11:04 AM
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Domestic violence is about as much a female as a male issue. Physical violence outside the home is indeed mostly a male issue. Male sociopathy is much more likely to be expressed through violent actions; female sociopathy through emotional manipulation and slander. Sexual violence would be mostly a male issue - if we did not condemn and punish it so harshly, which keeps even sociopathic men from committing too many of those crimes. Women, however, face much less threat and condemnation and hence…
/r/MensRights05/10/21 10:37 AM
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This is what I do not get: Even if the overwhelming majority of victims are women (well, max 80% as men make up 20-30% of spousal homicides), how does this motivate focusing exclusively not only on female victims, but on female victims of unidirectional violence? Men make up 80% of HIV victims, but we still leave plenty of room to speak about female victims. Same for suicide. In fact, in the latest episode of the bizarre side of US politics, there is a row about how referring to pregnant women d…
/r/MensRights05/10/21 10:28 AM
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I know. My point was only that a topic with such clear trade-offs and colliding basic principles (personal liberty and bodily autonomy versus right to life) should not be decided in courts, but by the elected legislature. For gay marriage, the other way around as it is a matter of extending basic principles (the right to marry) to an additional group. I cannot think of any other country where abortion rights have been settled in court... but again, not an issue I have looked into very much.
/r/MensRights30/09/21 12:19 PM
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Lazy, uncritical thinking and a desire simply to get along in most cases. Equal rights for women and stopping rape sound pretty good. Why trumpet a position that appears to put that into question?
/r/MensRights29/09/21 09:40 AM
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A case in point is the current uproar around police violence and race (African and to some extent Hispanic American). Purely statistically speaking (lets keep in mind numbers of shootings of unarmed suspects is small and has been declining for decades), the factors that correlate with victims are gender, social class, and age in that order. Only after a huge gap can you find race (and controlling for social class, the race differences almost disappear - so if there is racism, its causal effect a…
/r/MensRights29/09/21 09:36 AM
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My point was not intended to be political (though I am for gay marriage). It was simply this: Some cases have clear trade-offs, such as abortion. Some do not, or less so, like gay marriage. The former should be decided by the legislature, as they are elected to decide on how to balance trade-offs. The latter can be decided by the judiciary by interpreting constitutional principles. What should not happen is a trade-off intensive issue like abortion rights be decided by court decisions and machin…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 02:00 PM
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I do not know anyone who hates women. I know of a few that maybe hate men, but none personally. I do not even understand why we think actual outright hate of an entire gender (or race for that matter, except of course in conflict areas such as around Israel) is a problem more than at the margins? Am I being Polyannish here? But yes, there is probably more hate, however you define it, towards men than women - and more empathy towards women. This is, as far as I understand, well established in soc…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 09:58 AM
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In most cultures, it is the men who enforce gender roles for men - and women for women. So for instance most of the pressure to wear burkhas come from the women in their family; and to protect, provide, and let your beard grow - from the men. It would stand to reason, then, that much of the fervent pro-life advocacy would be driven by and supported by women. Yet the issue is often portrayed as one of men wanting to control womens bodies. Apart from religious convictions, I cannot possibly see wh…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 09:51 AM
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In fact, in Sweden, some parts of the left has explicitly called for a "man tax" (presumably acting as a bachelors tax de facto - although strikingly homophobic for such a hyperwoke group). And at any rate, men pay in much more than they get in benefits (not necessarily bad by itself of course). So the tradition continues, albeit in different shapes. Throughout most of human history, forcing or cajoling men into taking the responsibility of protecting and providing for women and offspring has be…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 08:29 AM
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No really, I simply did not get it. I read it several times. Some kind of mind-block :) Never mind.
/r/MensRights21/09/21 10:07 AM
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I am being unintentionally dense in this case...
/r/MensRights20/09/21 04:05 PM
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No one who has worked with sexual assault would believe anything close to that - nor can I imagine many people in general still do. Partly because feminists never tire of pointing it out - though of course to some extent they are successful because of the violence we associate with sexual assault. But what is often the case are the kind of things feminists would call victim blaming - such as not saying no clearly, maintaining friendly relations with the perpetrator long after the incident, and p…
/r/MensRights20/09/21 12:31 PM
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Not sure I understand your comment about female rapists and the connection to fancy meals :) On the second point: the problem I think is that no politician has an incentive to call for lower sentences for sex crimes, neither on the left nor on the right (with the latter being equally sensitive to such crimes as well as a tendency to be tough on crime overall). It would make you vulnerable to the accusation of supporting predators. Yet at the same time, no sensible person would consider involunta…
/r/MensRights20/09/21 11:40 AM
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Feminism is stuck between two implicit mandates: equal rights and advocacy for women. This has been a contradiction since the beginning: feminist icon Wollstonecraft pointed out that for women to free themselves from their shackles, they also have to free themselves from their privileges - most importantly the obligation of their husbands, farthers, and later the state to protect and provide for them. Pretty much every single disagreement I have with feminists are on issues where they err on the…
/r/MensRights20/09/21 09:02 AM
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I will be a bit realistic and pessimistic here. Feminism has been successful in pushing through reforms and in being embraced or at least condoned for a very simple reason: gender roles, which gives us all much more empathy for women (and children) than men. For reasons that were necessary for our survival throughout most of our history. So feminism is only claiming to swim against the tide - most of the time, they are simply going with the flow. They are conservative, at times reactionary. We a…
/r/MensRights20/09/21 08:20 AM
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My friend, a police officer, tells me almost all convictions happen without relevant physical evidence and hinge completely on the credibility of the accuser. That sounds to me like they have gone pretty much as far as they can in erring on the side of convicting. Still, the rates of convictions as a percentage of accusations is a few per cent, as in most countries (except for Moslem countries, where it is much higher). Still, he also tells me most probably, many rapists get off scot free - and …
/r/MensRights20/09/21 07:33 AM
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I agree - the bias is everywhere. Much of the time, fortunately innocuous - at times, however, brutal (womens organisations lobbying for denying help to male rape victims in the Congo fearing it would deviate funds away from them). But the problem is not that NGOs are biased in one direction or other on average - the problem is that they have to do what works to raise funds. Almost all donors require at least gender mainstreaming (a silly word for simply looking at gender aspects throughout wher…
/r/MensRights16/09/21 10:53 AM
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The gender bias here is terrible, but who on earth would be surprised? As someone who knows very little about Afghanistan, but nevertheless enough to often be asked about my stay there (being an expert is a low bar indeed), Taliban treatment of women was appalling and is likely to be now again, even if a bit less so. But so were their treatment of people in general. The media makes it seem as if the women are slaves and the men princes - in a dirt-poor country where people worry about escaping v…
/r/MensRights16/09/21 07:32 AM
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I have seen dozens, and the trend is clear especially for new faculty - and also among male recruiters. For instance: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/14/study-finds-surprisingly-that-women-are-favored-for-jobs-in-stem/
/r/MensRights13/09/21 12:43 PM
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So Tianemen Square was fake news? What news source for China would you recommend then? The Communist party circular? Sorry - the latter was an unnecessary jibe; the former an actual question.
/r/MensRights13/09/21 08:45 AM
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The small sample size and the focus on a relatively modest position, lab assistant, come to mind. I have seen dozens of studies that show the opposite, but of course using different samples and parameters. In fact, given the hundreds of parameters involved, if you really wanted to, you could play around with them until you come to a specific conclusion - even with the same batch of data. So in this field more than in most, the influence of prior beliefs tend to prevail. The fact that even one st…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 08:42 AM
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It has, as far as I know, never been the case - and I would be dumbfounded it it were. The reason we think it could be and even ask the question empirically is that we conflate the devaluation of women in some situations (for instance their intelligence, their fragile constitition) with other areas, especially reproduction, for which women were essential pretty much all their lives until just a century ago. It is hard to imagine that reducing maternal and child mortality was not pretty high up o…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 08:01 AM
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What fascinates me is how his success was not a result of calculation or desire - in fact, he is palpably uncomfortable in the spotlight and not even that great a speaker. He gets lost in nuance only to then oversimplify - often in the wrong places. What does shine through brightly, however, is his honesty - at times touchingly so. What bothers me, however, is that on the one hand, and rightly so, he applies analytical acuity to the assumptions of the identitarian left. At the same time, however…
/r/MensRights08/09/21 10:26 AM
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Thanks for your response. I am reluctant to respond in detail for two reasons. First, most of the response would be a combination of explaining why I did not say what you think I said (such as that mens average intelligence is lower), what exact findings I was talking about (measures of grit and obedience in the ages 13-16), and pushing back against the sometimes premature conclusions I would submit you draw. Second, doing so would put me in the awkward position of seeming to argue the opposite …
/r/MensRights08/09/21 09:45 AM
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Not at all, but I am not convinced those factors are by far as causal as we think. For instance, in most of Europe, tuition is free (well, not to the taxpayer), and we see pretty much the same trends. And most scholarships, be they gender-specific or not, do not target those in the middle of the intelligence distribution anyway. It is the average boy with average grades and average intelligence that is not going to college at anywhere near the same rate as his female peers. There is clear eviden…
/r/MensRights08/09/21 09:38 AM
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Am I wrong, or are there not more women than men in the pro-life camp, especially on the radical fringes? I see few ways in which liberalising abortion would be bad for mens rights anyway. Not sure how this is an issue for us exactly.
/r/MensRights07/09/21 11:06 AM
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Before we start constructing conspiracies around social engineering (although I have no doubt many would have no compunction to engage in it), I think there are other reasons for this trend we should consider first that may explain at least part of what we see. In fact, this is not a Western phenomenon: even conservative Moslem countries often have more women than men in college, including in MINT at even higher rates than in the West. Consider the distribution of intelligence. The average is ab…
/r/MensRights07/09/21 11:01 AM
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Most of the research I have seen that does not ask what can be proven to be wrong, but what is probably wrong, ends up with figures well over 50%. But: Very, very few of these false accusations go anywhere. They are mostly exposed early, and are mostly not malevolent - in Sweden, my friend tells me at least a quarter come from conservative immigrant families that force their daughters to file a complain as that is the only way they see to protect her honour. And: If you compare false accusations…
/r/MensRights07/09/21 10:46 AM
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What do we know, or what would you speculate about the reasons for this state of affairs? Pretty much all over the world in countries above a certain income level do we see the same thing: divorce rates rising sharply between 1965 and 1985 and then stagnating at about the same levels with some variations (less in traditionally conservative Southern Europe, for instance). While we should of course celebrate that people who do not belong together do not have to stay together and torment each other…
/r/MensRights07/09/21 10:40 AM
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It strikes me that we would not call someone speaking out about extreme antics of, say, BLM an anti-anti-racist or even a racist. I would call myself anti-feminist if the term simply meant opposition to several elements of the feminist approach to gender equality - but for the moment, the term does not come vested with such nuance and we would be vulnerable to being lumped together with that amorphous mass of incels that manage to be lazy, privileged, rape-prone, basement-dwelling, luxury-surrou…
/r/MensRights06/09/21 01:18 PM
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I am certainly not missing them - in fact, they all seem pretty obvious to me (in contrast to his Jungian mysticism and occasional bouts of social conservatism where his lucidity is harder to find). The real question is: why in the world is anyone missing them, let alone find them controversial? They do not even contradict, only add nuance to the strawman version of, feminists precepts. Even more fascinating is how this guy became such a hero and anti-hero in the first place. He is clearly uncom…
/r/MensRights06/09/21 08:05 AM
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You should feel free to confront me with facts. Despite what might be an impression to the contrary, this is not a perspective that I have thought about a lot in detail, just a hunch.
/r/MensRights01/09/21 09:02 AM
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Still, think about how radically different the regime of Gorbachev was compared to that of Stalin - or for that matter Catherine the Great. Putin seems like a step backwards, but that is because of the living memory of the chaos of the 90s. Same for China. Mao compared to now? My theory is that, in the long term, once you allow free speech, you cannot regress. You can contain it, but only in the short term and on some, highly politicised issues. Already now and definitely in a few years we will …
/r/MensRights31/08/21 08:16 AM
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I agree. To my mind, all I did was project some sorely needed confidence that the current discussion are just bumps on the road to progress, just like those we saw post-911 and Wikileaks. Bumps that we, with concerted effort, can overcome - not fortified road blocks. Actually, the fact that I cannot think of a country moving from free speech to tight censorship should support this point, should it not? I can think of a few milder cases, like Pinochets Chile and Orbans Hungary, but both are alrea…
/r/MensRights30/08/21 12:45 PM
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I have no idea how we got to the Taliban... Just as the left should temper its hysteria about climate change and, what, microaggressions (not to imply that the problems are comparable), I also find the cant around free speech restrictions and the impending doom of excessive wokeness alarmist in a way not readily distinguishable from that on the progressive side. Even though, on the issues raised so far, I sympathise with you. We forget, first of all, how little free speech we have had throughout…
/r/MensRights30/08/21 11:22 AM
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...which of course raises the question (just learned it is wrong to use the term beg the question in this sense): how on earth is this a liberal (either in the normal or US sense of the word), let alone a progressive, phenomenon? Around 1900, we ran out of guano to mine for fertilisation. We thought the world was going to end - after all, fertilisation was what had allow our population to triple over 150 years. Pretty soon, we found a way to produce synthetic fertilisers - which over time became…
/r/MensRights30/08/21 08:59 AM
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While I cannot subscribe to the cynicism of your second sentence, there is much truth to the first. Not only about climate change - and not only on "progressive" issues (in fact, environmentalism is inherently, and was until the 70s, a deeply conservative concern) - think of accusations of being un-American, for instance. In fact, I often find, as someone who takes the IPCC for good science (as even skeptics agree), but find the alarmism counterproductive, that when I suggest to people that ther…
/r/MensRights30/08/21 07:33 AM
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Of course there should be strict rules and enforcement procedures for malpractice, as there already are to my limited understanding. With the point about the problem not being that some people are malicious and corrupt: it is a much more basic one. We have to assume that some are - but we cannot rely on weeding all of them out, if nothing else because deciding who is good and bad is itself arbitrary. Rather, we need a system that discourages harmful and encourages productive behaviour. I like th…
/r/MensRights29/08/21 08:18 AM
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I am not a lawyer - whatever I know comes from TV shows and my interest in US history, where jurisprudence plays an outsize role. But certainly, no lawyer would advise clients to make false accusations - that would be a criminal offense. Rather, they operate in the gray zone. Did your husband/wife ever get angry? How did you feel? Oh, so could this be part of a larger pattern of abuse? In other words, grasp at straws and perhaps intimate that playing up and exaggerating minor incidents could mak…
/r/MensRights27/08/21 07:46 AM
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I am not a professional, but the topic of personality disorders interested me for a while and I read a lot about them. The term should be taken too strictly, both because they exist on a continuum (we all have some of the traits), and because psychiatry is by default the remit of symptoms medicine cannot explain with reference to the underlying neurological or physical reasons. The whole field is based on grouping symptoms together. Peterson once suggested that borderline is akin to the female v…
/r/MensRights25/08/21 04:50 PM
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Great - though a symptom of widespread malaise that something which should be an obvious feature of gender equality is presented as news in the first place. My preference, though, would be to treat men more leniently rather than women much more harshly, especially when it comes to sexual offenses. The political incentives involved (who on earth would make herself liable to the accusation of supporting violent rapists) has led to punishments that serve little purpose apart from medieval retributi…
/r/MensRights25/08/21 04:41 PM
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Is this seriously assuming that many people think men are ok with seeing themselves as a financial utility....? That is like saying women are ok with doing nothing except have big breasts. Nothing in the article surprises me here - the real question is why such relatively obvious observations are presented as surprising in the first place. But of course, what makes men desirable is often different from what makes women desirable. So the picture is much more blurred in reality.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 04:33 PM
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It is, of course, frustrating how data is used in such a selective way. Only when it comes to politically sensitive issues would social scientists sanction approaches like this - which, by the way, is far from the worst I have seen. But it also shows what happens when we gradually, in concentric circles, expand the scope of a term - be it racism, sexism, harassment, or for that matter anti-Americanism (right wing pundits are often equally vulnerable). I, for one, a gay man, have, in my younger y…
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:40 AM
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:) If it is any consolation, I rarely get upvoted, nor, as I realised, paid much attention to it. But to be fair, I specifically asked if I am missing something here. In this case, I did not by any stretch mean to imply the opposite of what you are saying. And by saying yes when you did not want to, I had in mind my perhaps distorted recollection of the survey questions that prompted claims along the lines of 20% of female college students have been sexually assaulted; as well as the tendency am…
/r/MensRights23/08/21 08:02 AM
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Oh, definitely, no question. They clearly are as much a womans lobby as feminists in the purported sense of wanting to reduce the impact and constraint of gender roles (to which I would actually subscribe). The real question is: how can they get away with it? The answer: because we have always taken the concerns of women more seriously for the simple reason that protecting and providing for women has been essential for our survival as a species throughout 99.9% of our history. The fact that a ra…
/r/MensRights20/08/21 11:13 AM
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This makes sense, but I would caution against drawing overzealous conclusions. Signalling victimhood is, from an evolutionary perspective, a female survival strategy and hence, although we do not live in caves anymore, common and more effective among women. Only a small fraction of women, however, have the personality disorder you need to abuse this option through, say, false accusations. In other words, some kind of victim mentality is perhaps a necessary, but far from sufficient, let alone dri…
/r/MensRights19/08/21 10:54 AM
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It stands to reason, does it not? The broader a definition you use of rape, at times extending to having sex without really wanting to, common sense prompts me to think you would find more male victims. The male gender role - with apologist for the reductionism - involves pretty much not saying no to reproductive opportunities. Many more men than women would let this imperative triumph over misgivings. As for statutory rape, I would also expect more male victims - not because women are more pred…
/r/MensRights19/08/21 10:50 AM
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Indeed :) Typed in a haste inbetween work mails in what feels like my fifth year of working from home..... :)
/r/MensRights17/08/21 09:15 AM
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Indeed, I would love to think people are better than we assume. But even if that is the case, there still was a critical mass of spousal and child abuse that is the baseline. The question is, why did this baseline barely budge, given the constraints and forced togetherness? Even the most harmonious of relationships will grate at times under such conditions and lack of variation. People might be better than we think at times, yes. But I doubt the pandemic turned them into angels in one fell swoop…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 09:14 AM
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I have some understanding for the white part (adding perhaps Asians and Jews), but male? How on earth could someone conclude that? You would have to limit your sample to theoretical physics and petroleum engineering departments, all of which are bending over backwards to correct the disbalance. Can someone fill in what I am missing here?
/r/MensRights16/08/21 12:05 PM
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Think of it this way: women, on average, tend to be much more cautious about whom they sleep with than men. While they might be well advised to relax a bit, men should perhaps take some cues from their instincts. I have many straight male friends who have hooked up with women, blinded by their beauty, and ignoring what to everyone else were obvious signs of personality disorders. Almost all women are decent people. Only some of them have the disorders and sociopathy required to do something horr…
/r/MensRights16/08/21 12:02 PM
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The reason is actually pretty simple. Women and men have similar IQs on average, but the distribution differs. Men dominate among the highest achievers (say top 0.1%) and the lowest, while women cluster in the middle of the distribution. Similar picture for specific skills, such as math and reading. It stands to reason, then, that as access to higher education grows from a few percent up until WWII in the West to 30 or even 50% today, most of the ones entering college that would not have done so…
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:58 AM
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If reading such antics upsets you, stop reading them. There is all kinds of nonsense and crazy people out there. Dont let it faze you - most people are kind and reasonable. The problem, of course, is that we do not react to hatred against men the same way we would to similar statements about women, blacks, and, at least recently, gay men. In fact, we at times platform and downright celebrate it, not as much because we agree, but because we see it as an incorrect but nevertheless understandable e…
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:51 AM
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Similar rhetoric and findings across the world on this issue, I think. Some have recorded modest increases in reporting, but given the immense campaigning efforts, much of this could be ascribed to additional inducement. In Sweden, reports of F on M violence actually rose substantially, but that again, I think, is mostly an effect of increasing awareness of a phenomenon previously and still mostly ignored except in cases of severe bodily harm. So it is not happening as predicted. The question is…
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:47 AM
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For biological reasons, this is of course to some extent unavoidable. The child grows in her body, and logically the idea of bodily autonomy applies - conflicting and for this discussion not relevant considerations nonwithstanding. A good idea, however, is the one of legal paternal surrender, giving the father at least the option of assuming or reneging on the responsibilities and rights of unintended fatherhood. Not a perfect solution, I admit, but a step in the right direction. By the way, is …
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:43 AM
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I had the same thought, though I remember being surprised that the phenomenon was not as pronounced as I thought (something like 30 70) when I checked a long time ago. I think the driving reason is not as much the degree of discrimination as the limitations of the female versus the male gender role. Although things are changing fast, it is, I think, harder to be a sissy male than a butch woman. Both do not fit in; the sissy (tongue-in-cheek, not meant as pejorative) has a harder time growing up …
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:40 AM
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It is hard to see why MRAs would oppose it. Or at least a libertarian-friendly system of subsidies to make sure all those who want to work have the option of affordable child care... In fact, I have not heard any MRA argue that we need more housewives. Among the at times silly and extreme things that some MRAs might say, that one is not among them...
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:34 AM
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Would we not all do better with a bit more fragile masculinity and a bit less fragile femininity?
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:30 AM
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All else equal, I would, if I were a man, go for a woman. She might have marginally more credibility and protection against gender-related attacks.
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:29 AM
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At least as sexist toward women as toward men :) I wonder what they say if you try to buy knitting gear....
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:28 AM
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Sweden introduced one decades ago, to which Putin responded that now he is really afraid. Seriously, though, I struggle to think of what this means in practice. Most bilateral aid is already as female centric as possible without entering into the realm of the absurd. And not even Swedens hyper-feminist foreign minister stood up to the Arab league, appeasement easily vanquishing principle as she even donned a headscarf.
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:26 AM
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Only fifty years to go then, and they will get to the loony stuff we see today...
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:22 AM
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I think men get judged more harshly for pretty much everything with the notable exception of sexual promiscuity (and perhaps sartorial mishaps). In fact, I think the reason why we have more male than female comedians is related to this: comedy is in part about making fun of yourself and your vulnerabilities. In fact, I find that good female comedians use strategies that would not work for men, and vice versa. Imagine a male Veep or any man replicating Nikki Glaesers routine.... or a female Bill …
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:22 AM
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I actually agree that you cannot compare forceful, penetrative rape with, say, milder versions of statutory rape. I even agree that we cannot without clear evidence assume that F-M rape is equivalent to M-F rape (or M-M and F-F for that matter). We have every reason to speculate that there are differences here. But is it not feminism that has been clamoring for blurring the lines here? Of claiming that a quarter of US women have been victims based on a survey that asked if they had sex even if t…
/r/MensRights16/08/21 11:17 AM
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Warren Farrell tells the story of NOW on the issue. In the 60s and 70s, they were vehemently in support of dropping (permanent) alimony and of default shared custody - for the obvious reason that this would not only be fair, but also remove several obstacles for women focusing on their careers outside the home. Only in the early 80s did they change their stance completely, as more and more of their members found themselves in situations where they stood to benefit from keeping the old system and…
/r/MensRights09/08/21 03:54 PM
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Perhaps part of the response is to ask why men would even consider putting up with statements like that in the first place? Let alone consider a woman saying anything close to them could be relationship material, let alone mentally balanced at all.
/r/MensRights28/07/21 02:14 PM
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I do not see it as a blow at all. The prosecutor had used evidence blocked by an immunity agreement (where Cosby makes damning admissions), and hence not admissible, so the appeal court had no choice but to release him. They said nothing about the validity of the case. Right?
/r/MensRights28/07/21 02:11 PM
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The definition of insanity, famously, is doing the same thing over again expecting different results. What on earth did you expect from an exchange with someone like that? You might just as well try to convince Kim-Yong Un of the virtual of liberal democracy and capitalism....
/r/MensRights28/07/21 01:58 PM
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They forgot that men have bigger chests and hence breathe out more CO2 per person...
/r/MensRights28/07/21 01:55 PM
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Apart from the postmodern logic (would the rapist not also be a liar?), what strikes me is this: it is of course true that only a "tiny percentage" of women lie about rape. In fact overwhelmingly true if you use, say, number of total sexual encounters as the denominator. But if your denominator are reported rapes, this tiny percentage can become significant. That is the problem. Besides, the assumption here is that we have to believe in the first place, almost as religious people believe in deit…
/r/MensRights28/07/21 01:52 PM
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There are two issues here. One is sexism, and should be pretty clear after some empirical digging comparing outcomes with wealth and income levels in different constellations. One is the whole reactionary notion that the husband (or the higher earning spouse) should be responsible for maintaining the living standard of the wife well beyond divorce. This is based on the assumption that she not only has a right to it, but has not the ability to care for herself (apart from the short-term support s…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 09:43 AM
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The problem is that a movement has to rein in and to some extent take advantage of its extremes. We are clearly demanding this stringently from the populist right, including Trump - as we should. In my country, Sweden, we have a right wing populist party, the Sweden Democrats. Their policies are actually reasonable: strong welfare state, restrict low-skilled economic immigration, and integrating existing migrants rapidly by teaching them Swedish, subsidising the first years wages, and loosening …
/r/MensRights27/07/21 08:44 AM
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I marvel at the word "exposed". Just looking at my own, small, relatively healthy (in the relevant respects) circle of friends and acquaintances, no one would seriously claim that this is not a problem nor that the effects can be severe. They might still hold on to the notion that women on average have it worse, true. But this is not something worth exposing in any sense of the word. What is missing, however, is what seems to be to be far from unreasonable speculation: could not at least some of…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 08:37 AM
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Not quite true, but indeed, as they acknowledged, they made some terrible mistakes in the beginning in failing to protect nursing homes. Nor, by the way, are our suburbs beacons of anarchic urban decay quite yet. Nor are we anywhere near socialist; if anything we are one of the most neoliberal countries in the world. Nor do many people actually take Greta at her word. It is hard to keep up with how my country is instrumentalised in the US debate... Wandering into politics: my intent was not to m…
/r/MensRights09/07/21 12:47 PM
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Like many hyped terms nowadays - systemic racism, cultural appropriation on the left; being un-American and immoral or a furtive communist on the right), the vagueness and the appeal to morality are exactly what make them useful in the first place. You are, put simply, not supposed to understand them with any precision, let alone defend yourself against accusations using them. They are little different from the kinds of public shaming that we have engaged in throughout history - if anything, we …
/r/MensRights06/07/21 06:28 PM
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There is ample research showing a similar picture dating back decades by now. Anyone who bothers to look can find out. But let us not make the mistake of mistaking opposition to acknowledging, let alone acting on these results, with liberalism (freedom of choice, free markets, small government) or progressivism (active government in pursuit of social justice-type goals). Rather, it is based in a conservative, if not reactionary, instinct to stick to strict gender roles. Instincts that emerged th…
/r/MensRights06/07/21 06:05 PM
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No, I do not think most feminists are evil. But I think we might implicitly define the term differently. I mean all people who, when asked, would support feminism, many of them without thinking about it beyond their sympathy for the idea of gender equality. You might be thinking about a relatively small but loud and well platformed coterie of more or less extreme pundits and zealots. Then I would agree, though even some of those are more obsessed and misguided than outright, sociopathically evil…
/r/MensRights03/06/21 07:11 AM
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This is either a troll or a severely mentally ill, borderline sociopathic person. Either way, by taking it seriously we are giving her (or him) what they desire... The problem is not that there are extreme or crazy people out there - there always will be. Rather, the problem is the extent to which we fail to recognise this, let alone endorse and celebrate such lunacy. At the moment, and on social justice issues, this failure to weed out extremes is more pronounced on the left (Jordan P once rema…
/r/MensRights02/06/21 08:22 PM
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It is indeed exactly the same logic that is often used, although with much more subtlety, to justify concerns around race and, in Europe, immigration. The difference is that men do not constitute a group that we see as worthy of empathy or protection - at least not as men on its own; men that are fathers, members of disaffected minorities, in the lower classes do have sympathy, just not on behalf of their gender. Along, of course, with, let us see, rapists, lawyers, investment bankers (meaning t…
/r/MensRights26/05/21 03:14 PM
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First, just as a reminder, most single women I know (all educated) complain about an even more pronounced lack of "good men". I think this is the wrong way to think about it. You do not need lots of good women, you just need one. In fact, if your dates are acting in an entitled fashion, see it as a good thing - just realise they are not the one and move on. It should make the work easier. I think part of this is the dating dynamics around platforms like Tinder. It is so easy for women to get a d…
/r/MensRights10/05/21 09:39 AM
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I remember trying to find a job as a babysitter as a (male) teenager. Well nigh impossible. So this rings true. This does not necessarily mean we, on average, discriminate more against men in job selection naturally. In this case, I think what is happening is pretty straightforward: employers in male-dominated fields are acutely aware that the imbalance is a problem (or is seen by many as such); the reverse is only marginally the case for employers in female-dominated fields. There have been a f…
/r/MensRights10/05/21 09:34 AM
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Of course it is overblown - any kind of activism exaggerates. We are also not heading for the end of the world because of climate change in the next decade, nor are we descending into Stalinist tyranny because of Bidens spending plans. Nevertheless, these are still real problems. However, the notion is far from progressive - it is downright reactionary. Sharia law is based on the assumption that, without women covering up and men adhering to strict rules of conduct, men would succumb to the inst…
/r/MensRights08/05/21 09:50 AM
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Indeed, the tendency to radicalisation and polarisation is even more pronounced on feminist reddits. Most women, and even most self-declared feminists, are much less radical and probably avoid those fora (and of course also ignoring or glossing over the extremes, assuming they are exaggerated but in a spirit that is broadly justified). What stands out a bit on the MRA side is the growing conflation not only with conservatism, but what we can vaguely call right-wing populism. There is an uncomfor…
/r/MensRights05/05/21 02:37 PM
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There are indeed posts here that, while not outright misogynist, at least engages in relatively myopic negative generalisations (of the kind - another story of a false accusation, how on earth can you trust women?). To some extent, on any politically sensitive issue, moderates are indeed being squeezed out. But on the other hand, this forum also serves for some people to vent their frustrations in a world largely unreceptive to the mere idea of male victimhood on both the left and the right. So …
/r/MensRights04/05/21 10:32 AM
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Wow. I am surprised, in a good way. Some of the things I heard she had said struck me as firmly in the social justice camp (narrowly defined), and the purple hair did not help. But as long as she extends that sense of justice to both genders, more power to her.
/r/MensRights04/05/21 10:27 AM
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I am sorry to hear that. But then again, what on earth prompted you to expect anything different from such an infamous subreddit? Any moderates left a long time ago...
/r/MensRights30/04/21 12:21 PM
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I was banned immediately after just one post on something like r-feminism, not sure. I am someone so moderate that even though I support MRA I often get accused of being a feminist troll on this site, and what I wrote there was carefully written to be constructive and ensconced in a feminist point of departure. Even by todays standards, I doubt anything was even remotely objectionable. Rather, I suspect the banning was automatic - you post here just once in your history, and you are out.
/r/MensRights30/04/21 12:19 PM
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On aids: no, of course not. And I grew up a few decades ago in one of the most progressive countries in the world, and at the time, openly expressing outright disgust at gay men was legion. But I prefer to focus on the fact that gay rights have gone through an extraordinary civil rights transformation in just a few decades. Even most republicans now support gay marriage (or at least do not oppose it), and while I do not flaunt it, I seldom have a reason to outright hide myself anymore (save for …
/r/MensRights30/04/21 09:32 AM
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Actually, to be honest, homophobia based on the notion that I am a violent threat because of my sexuality would be sort of refreshing :) sort of like new racism stereotyping Vietnamese grandmas as gangsters.... I am actually not sure, however, that racism based on certain stereotypes actually holds a group back. Jews arguably built up modern banking in societies that were, by todays standards, rampantly, egregiously anti-semitic. Asians in the US outperform whites by a wide margin despite facing…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 06:22 AM
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I was not reacting to the text of the bill, only reflecting on the issue and trying to show it is far from black and white and that the discourse shows a tangible lack of understanding and empathy for the challenges that police officers face every day.
/r/MensRights28/04/21 03:22 PM
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In principle, sure. Though that would require quite a bit of analysis in every situation :) I was describing what I think is my gut instinct - one that I doubt I am alone in having. Good point about the ostensible surge in reluctance among men to mentor women - that is where victim feminism (with its reactionary view of gender roles) clearly backfires. For all the homophobia I have been through, one upside is that I can be much more relaxed than many straight men when interacting with women.
/r/MensRights28/04/21 03:20 PM
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I do not find this particularly surprising. Nor do I see it as an indication that women are almost as sexually predatory as men at all. I see it simply as a matter of incentives. In most cases of female sexual predation, including sleeping with minors. societal censure and legal consequences are mild to unlikely - and have been even more so throughout history. If you grow up as a woman, no one ever tells you your sexuality is dangerous - if anything, you hear the opposite, that it is valuable an…
/r/MensRights26/04/21 04:33 PM
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A thought experiment. As a gay man with limited physical prowess, I admit I profile all the time to increase my safety in potentially dangerous situations. And the criteria I use are pretty clearly ranked. Gender comes right at the top. Then age. Then perceived social class. Then, after a big gap, race (in the equally clear order black, Latino, white, Jewish, East Asian). In other words, a gaggle of Vietnamese grandmas would have to work pretty hard to prompt me to cross to the other side of the…
/r/MensRights26/04/21 03:45 PM
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Throw mamma off the train? Fatal attraction? Not quite. Indeed hard to imagine. Every once in a while James Bond kills a woman - but only after she has spent almost the whole movie proving her iniquity (whereas he kills men like flies just for standing in the way). The same, of course, could be argued about De Vitos mother (uncomfortably reminiscent of the witch trope) and the brilliant Glenn Close in the two movies that came to mind. Several movies about woman-on-woman revenge, though.
/r/MensRights26/04/21 03:30 PM
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First of all, anyone who commits a capital offense is violating gender norms. Second, quite clearly, do incur a death penalty as a woman you would have to commit an act of almost singular egregiousness. This one qualifies, as does the crime of that woman we heard of that Trump did not pardon (I think she cut out a baby from the stomach of a pregnant woman). Third, by no conceivable metric are women even close to as likely to incur such a punishment for comparable crimes. Fourth, in jury systems …
/r/MensRights26/04/21 03:26 PM
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I cannot think of any society with clearly defined norms, let alone formal law, that did not have provisions in place in similar spirit. In fact, many times husbands who failed to protect and provide for their wives faced legal consequences (and social censure). And seeing rape as a crime equal to or even more egregious than homicide is, I believe, something as close to a cultural universal as religious beliefs and marriage. When feminists point to injustices in this area in the past, I would sp…
/r/MensRights12/04/21 02:20 PM
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Indeed, this is not a surprise. But tons of comments from women specifically? I think men are at least as likely to err on the side of leniency when women commit crimes. In fact, if I remember correctly, the reason the US (or one of the states) allowed women to serve on juries was that all-male juries had in several cases exonerated women guilty of some pretty egregious crimes because of, basically, chivalry. In fact, I see women condemning other women more harshly than men all over...
/r/MensRights12/04/21 08:00 AM
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Well, the short answer is by and large no - or not more so than men face. But you would have to compare apples with apples - taking a year off to take care of your children will dent your career, and most of those who do are women, but a man doing the same would face at least the same setbacks (arguably much more so, as we see male absence as shirking and female as understandable). However, I do think there are differences in how women and men can be effective. A given action by a tall, handsome…
/r/MensRights03/04/21 08:19 AM
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Thanks for your thoughts. This is not the forum to discuss these issues in depth. So I will, if you do not mind, limit myself to a few clarifications and reactions. I actually agree, despite my liberal bent, that following Hayeks prescriptions in detail would not be a good idea - in fact, he himself said as much and the impossibility of planning is at the core of his philosophy. He advocated, for instance, for free banking - a nice idea, but catastrophic in the transition in a highly leveraged e…
/r/MensRights22/03/21 10:51 AM
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Discrimination and incitement to violence (of any group?) are already illegal in the UK, right? What additional provisions are proposed? What is meant by misogyny (I guess hate speech)? What is legal today that would be illegal with this bill?
/r/MensRights16/03/21 11:13 AM
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Pakistan had a female head of state several decades ago, whereas woke Sweden, despite several attempts, have not had a single one yet. The other part of Moslem India, Bangladesh, has had several. Overall, women in prominent positions are far from exceptions. So at the very least, our stereotypes about Moslem nations require a bit of nuance....
/r/MensRights16/03/21 11:10 AM
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That one of the most privileged women in the world manages to garners such sympathy, especially from the left in the US (interesting UK-US divide in opinion), based largely on being a mere 25% black, and using tactics so obviously attention-seeking, hyperbolic, and agenda-driven, is baffling. I am happy Morgan spoke out - less happy about his drama queen approach, storming off the set as if getting flac after voicing a controversial opinion was a shock. His narcissism falls only marginally short…
/r/MensRights16/03/21 11:04 AM
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If you ask a very broad question, such as have you ever been made to feel uncomfortable, you would surely arrive at something close to 100% - for women and men. That is typically the source of strikingly high figures like that - and the claim that 20% of female students have experienced sexual assault (if I remember correctly, this counted positive answer to have you ever had sex even if you did not want to - in fact it is hard to see why only 20% said yes; I certainly would have). UN Women is a…
/r/MensRights16/03/21 10:58 AM
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I cannot bring myself to conflate liberalism and conservatism in this way. In fact, that neoliberal-in-chief, Hayek, wrote a brilliant essay Why I am not a conservative, explaining why liberals disagree at least as much with conservatives and with progressives. I know these terms are often conflated in the US, even as Trump turned out to be arguably the most anti-liberal president of recent times, but to me, being anti-immigration or pro-business is the opposite of being liberal and pro-market b…
/r/MensRights15/03/21 11:01 AM
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In fact in many cases I see people just need a radar. Forget finely honed... One that does not turn off if the woman is pretty.
/r/MensRights15/03/21 10:56 AM
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Well, I guess it depends on what exactly you associate with conservatism. Arguably, Trump is far from being one anyway. But even so, then how do we explain that support for right-wing populism is overwhelmingly working class? In fact, here in Europe, they are basically old-style social democracy coupled with varying degrees of xenophobia and right-wing identity politics. Meanwhile, most capitalists now appear to support the left...
/r/MensRights12/03/21 10:04 AM
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Just like we do not want a tiny minority of sexual predators to keep all women and children away from unknown men, we do not want a tiny minority of Karens and even false accusers to keep men away from women altogether. With a bit extra attention to respect, social cues, and a finely honed radar for personality disorders, I think speaking to women is still fine. I do it all the time with no negative consequences. It is still a problem. But not the end of the world. Just like with racism, climate…
/r/MensRights11/03/21 10:19 AM
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Something like this has been my personal conclusion as well. The resistance, not only among inveterate feminists, but among conservatives, is simply too daunting - especially on the most sensitive issues such as male DV victims. Even modest questioning of the standard, conservative narrative will incur wrath and dismissal that I simply do not want to deal with, not only for the sake of friendships and sanity, but also because of the futility of trying to upend something as ingrained as the empat…
/r/MensRights11/03/21 10:15 AM
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I have the feeling most MRA pundits either turn towards the hard right or fade away. Funny, that - caring about men as a gender is the opposite of conservatism as it radically questions gender roles on both sides.
/r/MensRights11/03/21 08:53 AM
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I have never heard anyone claim that, though - although it is an obvious parallel. Rather, everyone has ignored it. I would have much more respect for a feminist spelling it out than for one that does not....
/r/MensRights10/03/21 01:02 PM
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So, by implication, men that come forward about rape are automatically believed? That is not good either, but surprising. I would have thought the opposite.
/r/MensRights10/03/21 08:18 AM
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Technically, many women do not have basic human rights - in about a third of countries in the world. So the claim is wrong. What we should point out is that their husbands and sons lack them as well.
/r/MensRights10/03/21 08:16 AM
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I would not say we should bend over backwards - I still cringe when I read (elderly, male, white/Jewish/Asian) authours deliberately use she as a generic pronoun in writing, especially when speaking about traditionally male profession "Any engineer would know what she would have to do in such a situation". While I am more than happy to say Ms. and humankind, I cringe when the border between basic politiness and decency and virtue signalling is clearly crossed. But we should, I submit, show, rath…
/r/MensRights10/03/21 08:15 AM
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Not at all. I am perfectly happy to celebrate women for all the good they do and their strength. It might consider it a bit sappy and sanctimonious at times, but then again many things we say are (take for instance formal religious services). I would only draw the line at instrumentalising womens day to slam or spread clearly false or hateful narratives about the other genders. In that spirit, and belatedly, happy (hate-free) womens day.
/r/MensRights10/03/21 08:06 AM
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Does the data correct for time spent online? If you voice opinions online, you will get flac. Despite all my efforts to develop sound, centrist, fact-based arguments in online fora, I get slammed all the time - mostly for being a misogynist, and here - for being a self-hating feminist. Not much of this is justified, I submit - but that is not the point. If it affects me negatively, I should stop engaging in online fora on highly politicised topics. That is my responsibility - it does not make th…
/r/MensRights10/03/21 08:02 AM
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I am fine with an all woman task force. As long as they explore all sides of issues. In fact, I find little reason to believe the notion that all male legislatures have failed to address concerns of women - if anything, in certain domains (family, child custody, prohibitionism), women lobby groups had an astonishing amount of influence long before even universal male suffrage. There are many reasons to suspect this body will act in a jaundiced fashion. Gender on its own is not one of them.
/r/MensRights10/03/21 07:31 AM
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I have always found the supposed alliance between MRA and conservatism specious and bizarre. To my mind, they overlap only to the extent they can be used to advocate, say, "family values" or as another way of sticking it to (the extremes of) the left. When Shapiro and his ilk start advocating for DV shelters for men, for instance, I might start to reconsider. At the same time, feminism has two conflicting goals - the first is gender equality (which of course can be interpreted with substantial f…
/r/MensRights22/02/21 09:48 AM
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Not much, I am afraid. There is movement on a few fronts. Fathers rights have improved, in some cases dramatically - most European countries have abolished alimony and require shared custody and split parental leave rights. There is some more awareness of male victims of sexual and domestic violence. The education gap to the detriment of (lower class) boys is increasingly on the agenda. There is more and more pushback against some of the extremes of quotas and metoo accusations. But in all of th…
/r/MensRights19/02/21 05:28 PM
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I would indeed agree that it is not good to report on cases where it is not eminently clear the accusation was false. That might indeed discourage victims from coming forward, especially if the accused is rich or powerful. But in cases where the accusation was clearly not only false, but proven such as malicious in nature (perhaps not the many cases of Moslem women pushed to report rape by their families because premarital sex would make her and her family a pariah), then I fail to see how readi…
/r/MensRights19/02/21 05:18 PM
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I think it is pretty clear: people react to incentives. In the US, the incentives are strong - the US still has not abolished alimony, and even child support payments are based on potential income rather than needs and at times have a punitive angle to them. Lesser earning spouses have much to gain by exaggerating the truth or even outright lying. Compare this to, say, Sweden, where default shared custody is the norm with few exceptions, where alimony was abolished half a century ago, where most…
/r/MensRights17/02/21 09:04 AM
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Misogyny is outright, visceral hatred of an entire gender. Where, exactly, is the misogyny in, say, "shall I compare thee to a summers day / thou art more beautiful and more temperate"? Also, in the Elizabethan era, England (a nation state at the time) was very isolated - trade links only got started after the defeat of the Armada. It is hard to imagine the question of race being raised at all, let alone reflections on the hierarchy of races, in such a society. Othello is treated as a laudable c…
/r/MensRights17/02/21 08:58 AM
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Why is this even noteworthy? In fact, why so low? If you ask men if they have ever had sex even though they in reality did not feel like it, would not pretty much everyone say yes? For me, it would - many times over (and I doubt my level of sexual activity has been more than average). I guess the much more important question is determining different levels of psychological and physical coercion involved. If a woman nags a man into sex or he feels compelled because of "social expectations", that …
/r/MensRights17/02/21 08:52 AM
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First of all, do not make the mistake of doing a crusade around mens rights. You have little to win and much to lose - more than your grade. But you can pick one or two issues that you explore. But do so from within their perspective and with the clear role of gender equality. After all, gender issues are so interlinked that there are almost no zero sum games. Empowering fathers gives more women the possibility to pursue careers. Recognising female on male domestic violence helps resolve the und…
/r/MensRights11/02/21 05:52 PM
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I understand objectification to be a tendency to reduce objects of attraction to the attraction itself, rather than the range of human characteristics not directly related to it. Sure, this happens all the time. Straight guys see a pretty woman walk by and exchange a few appreciative remarks. Women do, too, but in different and often more subtle ways. Most of this is innocuous. More importantly, the narrative fails to ask the question why we, especially I guess straight men, do this. To me, it i…
/r/MensRights19/01/21 05:29 PM
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Throughout history, almost all human beings lived in conditions we would now consider unconscionable. This includes harsh, gender-specific constraints (for both genders, albeit in different ways), but the reason we are obsessing about those now is because we have solved so many of the much more pressing issues, such as food and shelter, to a large extent. I think the counterclaim to the narrative you encountered is not that women were not oppressed, but that gender-based constraints blanched in …
/r/MensRights19/01/21 05:24 PM
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Numbers doubling is a good thing, right? It probably means victims are more likely to report and be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights19/01/21 05:20 PM
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What strikes me the most is that exhortations and generalisations like this are not only inconceivable in most other cases (teach blacks not to...), but that they are grounded in an inherently conservative, indeed reactionary outlook. Men are beasts that need to be tamed - that is why women in Saudi have to cover up and why Victorians covered up those suggestive, curvy table legs (read somewhere that particular meme is a myth, but still - captures the spirit). So progressives are conservative an…
/r/MensRights18/01/21 12:56 PM
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The Karen phenomenon is not only marvelously overhyped (or at least not particularly new) and stands out as ranking among the few issues incurring equal rancour from both the left, the right, and the liberals (libertarians). While I side with the mainstream on this issue and find the anecdotes I have seen egregious, it does strike me as selective and even sexist outrage. Surely, such narcissism is not solely the remit of, as I understand the stereotype, white upper-middleclass, suburban women? W…
/r/MensRights07/01/21 09:30 AM
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Happy to. Although most people who know me accuse me of engaging with data too much, so your exhortation lands on already overfertile ground.
/r/MensRights04/01/21 04:02 PM
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They cannot have. I did some quick arithmetic. The 30% higher chance of death (similar figure for severe symptoms requiring intensive care) applies to the total number of deaths without controlling for age. Control for age, and the picture changes radically, as something like 80% of those over 80 are women across the world (and those over 80 make up, say, 80% of mortal cases). I am making these figures up as I am too lazy to check them (and enjoy the symmetry), but they should be in the ball par…
/r/MensRights04/01/21 04:01 PM
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Back after the break. I think the exact opposite of what you claim, but I have little motivation to try to convince anyone - except to stress, yet again, that we have to distinguish between what we observe, what we think we can change, and what state of affairs we endorse, be it morally or politically. I have tried to make this distinction throughout, but, of course, I cannot keep people from reading what I write like, as they say in Sweden, the Devil would read the Bible (or an inveterate femin…
/r/MensRights04/01/21 03:58 PM
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It sort of makes things much more blatant. We are all used to women and children first and, to some extent, accept that dictum. But when even children are excluded...
/r/MensRights04/01/21 03:55 PM
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At least she is honest. Much more dangerous and insidious are those that are misandrist (defined a bit broadly) and pretend not to be... Even going by the logic that women are paying men back for centuries of oppression, has there ever been men openly proclaiming misogyny? I do not mean things like women are less capable of leading countries, but actual outright hatred for the entire gender?
/r/MensRights24/12/20 08:06 AM
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It is not what I think at all, I was just trying to review the logic and potential consequences. I also predicted Trump would win for several reasons, but I still think he is unfit to be president. Not sure how to avoid this constant source of confusion... For the record, my desired outcome is indeed the opposite of what you appear to assume. But I am not here to harp on about my personal opinions, rather to explore and think about these issues.
/r/MensRights23/12/20 05:06 PM
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I (gay man) had a few years of promiscuity in a Middle Eastern country. While almost all my encounters were with decent people, a few went awry and led to situations that, applying the broader definition of affirmative consent, would clearly make me a rape victim. I have not told anyone, and while the situations were terrible, I cannot reasonably claim to suffer from them - I learned to be more cautious, that is all. Why did I stay silent? I asked myself this. Here is what I came up with (abridg…
/r/MensRights23/12/20 04:56 PM
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First of all, just a clarification - I thought that, in US English at least, sexual assault is an umbrella term that has varying degrees that include what most of us would consider rape. Please disabuse me if needed and explain the niceties. Second, I do not think we should advocate wholesale to equate coercion in penetrating with the opposite. There are differences, just as there are among all kinds of sexual assault, that do not lend themselves to simplicity. Third, I am much more concerned wi…
/r/MensRights23/12/20 04:42 PM
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Actually, I do not think this claim is as batty as it might sound. Throughout history, men have worked hard and risked their lives to protect and provide for women and children. This is not a result of arbitrary gender roles, but of natural selection - if we did not have these instincts and more empathy for women (and even more for children), we would not have survived as a species. This means, however, that men need to feel they get something in return. The standard answer, of course, is reprod…
/r/MensRights23/12/20 04:26 PM
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No, for age and gender separately, not in aggregate. That is an important difference. However, in this respect covid is not that different from infectious diseases overall - women have better immune systems than men for evolutionary reasons (testosterone dampens the immune system - that is why some of the victims were otherwise extremely fit athletes). On the other hand, of course, women are much more susceptible to auto-immune diseases - MS and Hutchinsons are overwhelmingly female afflictions.…
/r/MensRights23/12/20 11:55 AM
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The risk is much higher than 30%. Most of those who pass because of, or at least with, Covid-19 are over 80 years old - and 80% or so of those over 80 are women. Do the math. Men are 4-5 times as likely to die than women (if you only control for gender - there are many other factors). I keep hearing the 30% claim... how is this not basic arithmetic? Or am I missing something?
/r/MensRights22/12/20 09:43 PM
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Even if we give the benefit of the doubt to claims about systematic devaluing of women in the public sphere, especially for higher positions, extending such assumptions to apply to health makes absolutely no sense from an evolutionary perspective: we survived as a species because we shaped society around the importance of protecting and providing for women and our offspring. Why in the world should the cultural and biological programming that was essential to our survival for 99.9% of human hist…
/r/MensRights22/12/20 09:39 PM
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First, I think it is important to note that ANY effort to get a picture of large, vague, generalised questions like this involves selecting and weighting, often arbitrarily, a large number of variables. This, of course, pretty much allows you to get the result that you want. If even nuclear physics papers are subject to confirmation bias, you can imagine what is the case in vague, politically infused areas like this. Put simply: the incentives are clearly to either come to the "right" result (an…
/r/MensRights22/12/20 07:35 PM
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Really? I lived in both countries - Germany might have more petty litigation among neighbours, but the sue culture is much stronger than in the US. Which figures are you referring to?
/r/MensRights21/12/20 01:31 PM
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Indeed - I only heard about this yesterday when they were, fortunately, released, on BBC. And I visit MRA sites a few days a week... It was only after the outrage about the kidnapping of the girls that I even found out about the thousands of boys Boko Haram had kidnapped and even killed in the years before. And I am working with the developing world and follow Africa regularly. What upsets me most is not gender as much as that we are talking about children.
/r/MensRights19/12/20 11:04 AM
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Sometimes they do indeed outright hide things. Mostly, however, they ignore it - or dismiss it with three main strands of arguments: the first, that men are in power and have privilege and the ability to take care of it themselves; second, that it is one of the few outgrowths of the patriarchy that overwhelmingly benefits them; and third, that it is their own responsibility. The problem is not extreme feminism. The problem is that society does not deal with those extremes as effectively as they …
/r/MensRights19/12/20 11:00 AM
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Paying particular attention to the health of men as a group (rather than, say, diseases that only men can get) is not an easy sell for a simple reason: it is hyperprogressive. My thinking is this: womens health have much higher evolutionary importance than mens for the simple reason that for most of human existence, we have needed women to survive and stay healthy long enough to bear an AVERAGE of over four children each for the tribe to survive at all (I went through the math, taking into accou…
/r/MensRights19/12/20 10:54 AM
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Even if women are vulnerable, the tiny subgroup of women who have attained fame and power clearly are much less so. The logic is similar to saying women CEOs are better referring to indicators of better performance: women CEOs are much more likely to share traits with other CEOs than with an entire gender. How is this not only standard, basic principles of social science, let alone simply common sense?
/r/MensRights18/12/20 04:00 PM
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Come to think of it, all the cases I know where someone criticising a woman has been accused of misogyny has been cases where the object of criticism was clearly on the left. I cannot think, for instance, of a single instance of someone facing this accusation when criticising Thatcher - and not only was she highly controversial, she was the first elected female head of government of a major country (save India and Pakistan, but those were de facto inherited positions). Besides, we can hope that …
/r/MensRights18/12/20 03:58 PM
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I lived in France for a long time, but I am far from an expert on it, so when in doubt, I will bow to your judgment. My point was merely that it is refreshing to see prominent feminists that appear, in some areas at least, to take gender equality seriously. But there is also a bit of a Jacinda-aura about her - and think about how many charismatic, mostly female leaders we have celebrated in the West only to see them morph into tyrants - Yulia Timoschenko, Tansu Ciller... we gave the Nobel PEACE …
/r/MensRights18/12/20 07:43 AM
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Some are, of course. But that is not the problem - the problem is the religious nature of their flawed assumptions (religion meaning a set of beliefs that you are not likely to change in the face of evidence contradicting them). However, people who, as you note, scream about hating half the population, have even deeper problems than that. I would, if I may, question why you visit such fora and continue reading posts in the first place. Go to places where discussions are civil and where you have …
/r/MensRights17/12/20 11:42 AM
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I love listening to her. Though sometimes it is hard to see whether what she rambles about is brilliant or downright insane.
/r/MensRights17/12/20 11:37 AM
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We should keep in mind, too, that she is an avowed feminist and on the left - and much beloved (though not for those reasons). There are as many feminist as MRA (as classical liberal) reasons for rejecting excessive quotas and use of force in this way. I am glad more and more in the feminist camp recognise that. The last thing France needs nowadays is yet more stultifying regulation of any kind...
/r/MensRights17/12/20 11:36 AM
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It is more like I do not have much practice at deliberately misunderstanding people and that I find it hard to get worked up about posts on the internet, even those including uncanny accusations. But I do find it refreshing, in a way, to get slammed for misandry and lacking logic, as for most of my life, I have gotten slammed for the exact opposite. Of course, if you have a very concrete example of what comes across as a logical hole, I am more than happy to explain - of course, as long as we ca…
/r/MensRights17/12/20 10:40 AM
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Thanks again for your compliment - I am glad, especially as I often get accused of being overly analytical rather than emotional.
/r/MensRights16/12/20 11:33 AM
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:) I am at a loss here - there is little I can do, I gather, to convince you that nothing could be further from the truth than that I accept mens subordination, let alone blatantly so. Moreover, I am here to explore ideas, not to voice or even insist on personal opinions. While I may have used a few unfortunate formulations, I submit, ever so humbly, that you might be reading what I say in a manner reminiscent of the Devil reading the Bible. I thank you, however, for your compliments about my me…
/r/MensRights15/12/20 06:12 PM
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Not really, only that the truth is a bit more complex than something that we can reduce into a marathon of norms, whatever that means. I know this is common on the internet, but I do struggle with responding in a productive fashion when faced with a range of uncanny and unclear assumptions about my views. I wish I could help more here, and I apologise.
/r/MensRights15/12/20 09:51 AM
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I care, personally - though not sure what you are referring to. Do Swedes, especially those of a notionally feminist persuasion care? I would say more so that their US sisters, but even if they do care, they are of course blinded from many things by their interpretation of patriarchy as meaning not only that most of those in power are men, but that those men use that power to the benefit of all men.
/r/MensRights14/12/20 08:57 AM
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Is the implication that now, or even historically, we are outright teaching men to rape? I mean, of course we should tell men not to rape and punish the ones that do - how is that in any way controversial? We should of course also help women temper their at times disproportionate fear. But equally, we should help men take risks more seriously. We can sit at home and cower for fear of rape, Covid, and terrorism all we want - but we should keep in mind that, despite the hype, most often simply eat…
/r/MensRights10/12/20 11:44 AM
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As an MRA, I disagree with many of my compatriots on these issues - what I do support are Swedish pragmatism and solid institutions to deal with extremes, albeit at times in fits and turns. It is too challenging for me to argue a case I do not believe in - and which is in part a strawman version of Sweden. So all I can offer are a few points on the strawman point, or what appears to be underlying misconceptions that are strikingly common among US commentators on the right (those on the left get …
/r/MensRights10/12/20 10:48 AM
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I guess with "you", you are referring to Sweden - or rather, the adamant Swedish progressive activist of the popular US imagination? I cannot speak on behalf of "hen" (a pronoun we introduced between han (he) and hon (she)). Few go as far as you seem to think, though - and I struggle to understand what you are referring to. If anything, we have not done enough to enable men to stay home with children even in Sweden - at least nowhere close to what we did to enable women to work and have careers.…
/r/MensRights07/12/20 01:48 PM
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These are misunderstandings: 1. I did not say, or at least did not mean, that mother are not empowered - in fact, in custody matter they still have a leg up as de facto primary care giver in most cases. But father have a much stronger role and better rights than in most countries - each custodial parent has to take at least three of the 15 months of parental leave rights (paying 70% of net salary up to about 2.400 USD per month - few people in Sweden make much more than that). 2. I never said I …
/r/MensRights04/12/20 11:34 AM
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This is, of course true - not all the time, but mostly. I cannot think of any other situation where we would condone this logic. Most violent criminals come from the lower classes, so lower class victims do not matter? As for me, personally, is the fact that I have to be more afraid of men than women any kind of consolation? And do we not see even the most hardened, violent, obviously psychopathic criminals strictly adhere to codes about not hurting women? I find this as befuddling as the astoni…
/r/MensRights03/12/20 03:57 PM
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I am from Sweden, though I never lived there. Just a few points to nuance this narrative a bit. First of all, we should concede that Swedish feminism differs in a few ways from that in, say, the US - and in several areas, it has pushed for reforms that benefit men at least as much as women. Shared custody by default, abolishing long-term alimony, and shared parental leave has created what might well be the most empowered groups of fathers in the world. We have a high divorce rate, yes, and mothe…
/r/MensRights03/12/20 11:08 AM
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There are clear laws both against lying to the police and making false allegations. Perjury is even a felony in the common law system. So calling for specific legislation is a bit like when feminists called for specific legislation against marital rape, intimating that it was legal before - it was, of course not (although of course we might have been less likely to intervene in the private sphere, but that was if so cultural and institutional, not legal). The problem, of course, is the inverse o…
/r/MensRights26/11/20 09:31 AM
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It is striking, is it not, that we never really had problems with women wearing slacks. Nor with women in almost any occupation. At the same time, male nurses are a rarity, stay at home dads anything from an oddity to an object of ridicule, and almost any change to male sartorial constraints, let alone outright skirt-wearing, barely on the horizon. Although it strikes me as a bit of an SJW stunt for Harry Styles to do it, I would be all for it for reasons both related to liberalism and mens righ…
/r/MensRights19/11/20 05:34 PM
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As someone with some experience working in the Middle East, one thing has always befuddled me: the assumption that the constrained role of women in public life, most salient in the form of the burqa, implies corresponding, implicit privileges that accrue to men. Even MRM often falls into this trap, especially, and to my mind not always fairly, with reference to the Arab world. To me, it is patent that men face similar levels of social restrictions, especially in the lower classes - they just tak…
/r/MensRights19/11/20 05:27 PM
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This might be true (at the very least, women are prescribed more than men), though there are many factors involved that muddle the picture - including willingness to ask for it, pain sensitivity, and womens longer life spans (and hence likelihood to face conditions involving chronic pain). However, as far as I understand, women getting hooked by long-term use of prescription opioids stand for the lions share of the rise of opioid abuse in the US over the past decades. So I submit that even if th…
/r/MensRights19/11/20 05:18 PM
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This is a bit like asking if someone believes in climate change or not: just like the word climate change could mean anything from accepting the fact of any climate change to accepting claims that the world will collapse in 12 years unless we return to living in caves; feminism could mean anything from a basic embrace of the principle of equality of opportunity, to, well, claiming all heterosexual sex is rape or even SCUM...
/r/MensRights19/11/20 05:12 PM
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Wow. Sounds incredible - in fact, the article says 180 HOURS of community service (and a suspended custodial sentence). I found this befuddling enough to look around. The verdict is not published yet, but the articles I found point to some pretty horrifying things: 7 out of 9 boys suffered severe consequence, the intervention was without anesthetic, the boys were forcefully held down, and the man, while claiming he had 9 months of training in Syria, had no valid qualifications. Swedish law expli…
/r/MensRights13/11/20 02:16 PM
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Now I am confused, could not parse your question. But let me try to spell it out: My perception is that feminism sees patriarchy as not only a system where most of those in power are men, but that also generally works to the benefit of men and detriment of women. I of course agree with the first part and disagree with the latter. SOME parts of feminism have added useful nuance to this. These include what people might say under the slogan Patriarchy hurts men too, and some admissions about the pl…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 07:20 AM
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I do not think I claimed that, I was only trying to explain my understanding of the feminist perspective.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 05:31 PM
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I would prefer to raise these issues in their own right, but I find this difficult to do in practice - like navigating a mine fields. By unequal distribution I meant that the fruits of male privilege accrues to the elite much more than to men in general. This creates the well-known apex fallacy, which has gained some recognition even in gender studies circles (not enough).
/r/MensRights10/11/20 11:46 AM
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I could not make much sense of your comments, but here is a crack at clarifying. Terrorism, extreme feminism, and some might argue even organised religion may indeed seem stupid, but there are many intelligent people who support them. The reason are the religious, in the Durkheimian sense, elements of those beliefs that are impervious to reason and data: after all, you do not become religious after studying the science. Not sure what to say about egalitarians. I was just saying that the level of…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 08:23 AM
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Although it is not that they are stupid, at least not more than in this sub (you have a wide range) - it is that they hold on to fundamental, partially misguided precepts with religious fervour (Durkheim considered as religious all beliefs that you are not likely to change when faced with evidence to the contrary - not meant as pejorative per se). I would also submit that part of being smart is having a clear view of what you can argue and what you can achieve in given contexts....
/r/MensRights10/11/20 07:50 AM
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I have gotten banned for things much less incendiary than that - in fact based on posts that I formulated with exceeding caution. So there is nothing noteworthy about this particular ban.... sad, yes; noteworthy, no. Every once in a while, you do see feminists (and keep in mind, those spending time on reddit are often of the extreme kind) raising MRA issues. But pay attention to how they do it: they mostly frame it along the lines of patriarchy hurts men too - and though the system benefits men …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 07:47 AM
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What a mess - and sad state of affairs. Not because of the verdict per se, which unfortunately was reasonable because of what it entailed - we would need to see civil accusations launched against Amber instead of against a paper for libel. But because if even someone with Depps means and ardent following cannot get the system on his side despite, as I understand, much more evidence in his favor than in hers (though both were clearly abusive), then how much of a chance would most men have? There …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 07:38 AM
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First of all, what is surprising is.... that this is a surprise to anyone in the first place. It is not that there are no funny women (on the contrary), just that more of those that are funny are men. I think this is strongly related to the empathy gap. To be funny, you need elements of not taking yourself seriously. Men have many more of those - even rape of men is often used for humour, something inconceivable for women. Evolution, gender roles, and empathy gap all over again. I find it instru…
/r/MensRights05/11/20 10:19 AM
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Press freedom is jealously guarded in the UK - and the question here was whether the SUN had committed libel, rather than publishing something, say, slanted and one-sided. From that perspective, although I do not agree, the verdict is not completely unreasonable. Depps lawyers are certain to appeal, so we will see.
/r/MensRights04/11/20 09:01 AM
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Of course, albeit using as little physical violence as possible - as I would also consider reasonable when defending yourself against anyone physically weaker. If in public, it helps to say out loud: please stay away from me, you are attacking me. This helped when recently in the NY subway a woman screamed at me and pushed me for thinking I had passed the turnstiles without paying (not the case, I was just dealing with heavy luggage and it looked that way).
/r/MensRights04/11/20 08:57 AM
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It might err left of center, but overall I found, based on only a few episodes, that the show manages to make fun of extremes on both sides and does not try too much to be politically correct. Comments like the one quotes (you do not believe me because I am a woman) are obviously satirical - sort of like, well, keep you Government hands off my Medicare would be in that context. So in a US environment where getting comedy, let alone news, without clear slants is difficult, I welcome the show... a…
/r/MensRights28/10/20 02:35 PM
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So most feminist nonsense has kernels of truth to them. Where are the kernels here? It IS true that some of the mainstream attention to MRA issues does indeed stem more from an instinct to stick it to extreme feminism or the extreme left than from a concern for and compassion for mens issues. Take, for instance, Trumps fervent defense of Kavanaugh. It MIGHT be partially true that we here on this forum tend to err on the side of slamming feminism more than we perhaps should. We talk about false a…
/r/MensRights27/10/20 09:20 AM
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I am not sure what most men feel and what society tells them are two distinct phenomena that we can easily distinguish in any meaningful sense. But if you have managed to overcome some of that, more power to you.
/r/MensRights26/10/20 09:00 AM
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It is pretty clear (this relates to my day job) that the long-term trend is towards what economists call a rising skills premium, meaning the more relevant skills you have, the more rewards you will reap. This trend started in the 70s, and as both services and manufacturing are increasingly automated, increasingly those with the skills to design and supervise platform and find entrepreneurship opportunities are the ones who will benefit. This will likely BENEFIT men overall, but the benefits wil…
/r/MensRights23/10/20 10:39 AM
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This would only be a problem either because of data privacy concerns (which is out of scope) or if this right would not apply in other constellations than the one mentioned. In Sweden, tax returns are public record that anyone can look at. I did not realise how strange this was until I left the country. But it works - and indeed reduces the potential for cronyism and corruption, especially in the public sector (where the lack of competition makes discrimination easier to do). So I am all for it,…
/r/MensRights22/10/20 09:39 AM
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Yes, if you use a broader definition of the honour system, men are clearly more sanctioned than women - though largely for different things and for different situations. So in this case, the problem is not the gender perspective per se, but the lack of balance. However, from a purely pragmatic perspective, if rooting out Boko Harom is made possible by focusing on the kidnapped girls rather than the much more numerous boy victims, so be it. Happy to dampen my MRA instincts if the outcome serves u…
/r/MensRights21/10/20 03:11 PM
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A recent, jaundiced clip I saw showed Trump supporters being asked simple questions and giving silly answers. One of them was a woman claiming that women are not fit to be presidents because of... something along the lines of emotional instability. What struck me was this: that same woman was probably thinking of Hillary, and would have little compunction against a president Palin or justice Barrett. On both sides, partisanship trumps gender, big time. At the same time, to my mind, few people di…
/r/MensRights20/10/20 12:38 PM
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It is clearly not the same as rape, no matter what your logic - I understand the sentiment and sympathise with it morally, but judicially it would be disproportionate. However, I am much more concerned with ensuring that we systematically and openly sanction clearly false allegations (unfortunately, it is just as difficult to prove as sexual assault in most cases), rather than that we throw the book at the minority of people we are pursuing at the moment. It is more about sending a clear signal …
/r/MensRights20/10/20 12:32 PM
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I have never experienced that personally, but I am in Europe, and we are 20 years behind both the good and the crazy about the US. But, to my mind, if people say that, they are, assuming that what triggered the reaction was something relatively innocuous, simply rude - and there have always been rude people around. That it is no way comparable to the gender issues we discuss here, such as outright misandry, ignoring male victims of DV and sexual assault, and fathers rights. My more basic point, …
/r/MensRights20/10/20 12:27 PM
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The issue, though, is that, while I see struggles that are gender specific among men all the time (albeit largely among lower-status men, so hard to disaggregate with anything close to scientific precision), I see few that accrue because of being white. We hear a lot about invective against whites (bizarrely not against the much more privileged Jews and Asians), which I think is exaggerated - but to be honest, it rarely affects my life tangibly (with one prominent exception when I worked as an e…
/r/MensRights20/10/20 09:12 AM
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I was too lazy to read the article, but one of the classic tricks to denigrate MRM is, of course, to conflate it with race. This is particularly silly: not only are race and gender dynamics completely different in almost all ways; it is also the case that out of the top 20 MRA concerns black men are MORE likely to be the victims than the average or than the "privileged" races (whites, Asians, Jews...). While I do not condone the extremes of, say, BLM, I have much more sympathy and understanding …
/r/MensRights19/10/20 11:52 AM
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to me, MRM is the opposite of patriarchal (meaning: sticking to traditional gender roles in my more benevolent interpretation): it is hyperprogressive. Never previously in history have we even floated the notion of men being victims on account of their gender. Think about it. Never... Not sure, however, what alt-right means anymore. It used to be a form of rebellious, progressive, ostentatious, colourful, non-conformist conservatism. Now it is clearly associated with outright bigotry and lack of…
/r/MensRights19/10/20 09:46 AM
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There are in fact many prominent feminists who have - the likes of Hoff Summers, Paglia, Kipnis. But those have also faced flac for it and migrated, awkwardly, to more liberal (US: libertarian without the crazy stuff) platforms whose views they otherwise might not agree with. No feminist I know personally would condone such hatred either - at least not outright. But they tend to explain it away and see it as marginal and as understandable overreactions that they think conservatives and liberals …
/r/MensRights19/10/20 09:43 AM
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Not sure why you brought race into this - to my mind, whites are not at risk of underrepresentation whereas men clearly are, especially at elementary and middle school level. To me, the threshhold for seriously worrying about underrepresentation is at about 20% - which is also the level at which, for most professions, research about preference and proclivities are not sufficient to explain the gap. That is where we can do something, whether it be for male teachers and psychologists or female eng…
/r/MensRights19/10/20 09:35 AM
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First of all, the statement should be that a small percentage (8%) of accusations are PROVEN to be false (and that a similar percentage are proven correct). About the rest, we simply do not know. There is rarely any witnesses or hard evidence - and where there is, convictions are near-certain. Second, apart from the iniquity of undermining basic principles of rule of law, imagine what incentives such a system would bring. If you are angry with someone and lack empathy, which a few percent of men…
/r/MensRights19/10/20 09:32 AM
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The last point is the most important: that extremes do not systematically get treated as such. On getting feminists to agree: I have actually not had that much to do with anyone I would call an extreme feminist, which I would consider about as productive as explaining science to Greta Thunberg. But in my professional and personal environment, most would say they are feminists. When I, at times, raise an MRA issue or point to some of the extremes, they broadly tend to agree - but argue some combi…
/r/MensRights13/10/20 07:37 AM
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Broadly true, but with some caveats. What struck me when I started reading about mens rights was that at least half of the advocates (of the moderate, not ranting kind) with some prominence were women. The likes of CHS, Cathy Young, Janice Fiamengo. In fact most of them were, as many of the men were more of the type conservatives against many aspects of current progressivisim, such as Jordan P. And the point about feminism thinking women are superior to men: this, I think, is a phenomenon driven…
/r/MensRights12/10/20 02:11 PM
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Bill Burr has done quite a bit of edgy stuff, especially making fun of the extremes of feminism and women-coddling (motherhood is the hardest job in the world), so I am actually surprised he has not faced all that much flac lately. Nor, for that matter, has Maher, who, while for obvious reasons obsessed with Trump at the moment, has entered some dangerous territory. First, of all, comedians - and he is a great comedian - still have more leeway. Second, in this case, his comments fall on fertile …
/r/MensRights12/10/20 01:34 PM
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I agree that males suffer the most from institutional (defined broadly as both formal, social, cultural) discrimination. But a few important points to qualify this: The brunt of this discrimination, as is the case with women, fall on particular sub-groups, such as socioeconomically disadvantaged, gender non-conforming, or for that matter not physically attractive men. Tall, handsome CEOs and female supermodels may, of course, see bits and pieces of gender-based discrimination, but that blanches …
/r/MensRights12/10/20 11:06 AM
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This is mindblowingly unscientific. You cannot extrapolate from the tiny sub-group of women decision-makers to an entire gender - in fact, they share many more traits with other decision-makers than with their entire gender. The effect of gender, by ANY arithmetic, has to be inconsequential. Besides, given the huge discretion in the number of and selection of variables to determine this, you can pretty much come to any conclusion you want - and any human in that situation will inevitably act on …
/r/MensRights10/10/20 07:48 AM
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I saw someone accusing Mike Pence of mansplaining to Harris. Even if I allow that there might be some truth to this notion (which there is, if you add a couple of dozen caveats), the last person I would suspect of being susceptible to mansplaining is Kamala Harris. And, at any rate, I would not want anyone susceptible to mansplaining to occupy the Oval Office. In the end, I think this narrative hurts Harris more than it helps her - I cringed when Clinton said she felt intimidated by Trump.
/r/MensRights10/10/20 07:44 AM
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Rape culture, the way I read it, is not as much an outright lie as an overweeningly cynical, one-sided representation of (hetero)sexual dynamics. It is actually also hyperreactionary: in fact, it in large parts mirrors the perspective of the puritanism that prevailed throughout most of modern history and still does in most of Afghanistan, say. That is not necessarily a problem per se: radical people say alarmist things all the time. In fact, most activism is alarmist and unnuanced - perhaps in s…
/r/MensRights10/10/20 07:40 AM
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No one could reasonably disagree with that statement... whom is she trying to convince?
/r/MensRights10/10/20 07:30 AM
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Is it the correct one for the majority? Did the debate actually change anyones mind? If you support Trump, you could, with a bit of bias and selectivity, easily find ample reasons to reject her based not on her competence, but her performance and partisanship. If you do not support Trump, then you are probably willing to countenance her foibles - if you could stomach the Tarah Read allegations and Biden quipping in faux African American English, then those of Harris should go down easily... As f…
/r/MensRights09/10/20 06:52 AM
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I meant that, judging from what I have seen in the past, she definitely has the intelligence and judgment and eloquence to get this right - and that it is astonishing that she clearly failed to use them. Perhaps I am judging her harshly also because she projects such confidence and assertiveness that, when she says things that are rickety, unfounded, or clearly untrue, the contrast is jarring - especially because it seems to me she must KNOW what does not make sense intellectually. To be honest,…
/r/MensRights09/10/20 06:48 AM
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To put it slightly differently: we need male-friendly services to change (the harmful aspects) of masculinity.
/r/MensRights08/10/20 11:38 AM
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Pence is a traditional conservative, and hence antithetical to what I believe in and, arguably, MRM (let us not allow a few instances of overlap fool us). But he is, in contrast to the president, sane, reliable, and respectful of institutions - and has the bearing of a potential president. A very conservative and not very memorable one - but one who would treat his responsibilities seriously. This clearly came through. But that is not why he, in my eyes, won the debate. In fact, Kamala could eas…
/r/MensRights08/10/20 11:36 AM
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This brings to mind a left-wing hit piece ridiculing Trump supporters where they, I kid you not, found a woman outright saying a woman is not fit to be president (I presume she was thinking of HIllary and that she might not mind a Palin in the White House, but still). The smug reporter then asked if she knew of a woman in power who has started wars, and she could not come up with one. I was dumbfounded. Is it the US education system? Queen Tahar of Georgia, Catherine the Great, Queen Isabel, Que…
/r/MensRights06/10/20 05:13 PM
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There are studies on the empathy gap - in fact this is pretty well established in literature, but just for obvious reasons kept below the radar screen. What I find bizarre, though, is how we overuse a term such as misogyny - literally hatred of women. First of all, if anyone outright hates half the population, I submit the larger problem is psychological health than anything systemic. Second, most of the examples cited as evidence of misogyny are statements and positions that imply adherence to …
/r/MensRights06/10/20 05:04 PM
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Yes, but let us not forget we are only talking about a relatively small part of the UN that engages in these types of studies and norms. Almost half of the budget goes to peace-keeping and humanitarian assistance, and there is much useful work on human rights, disarmament, and desertification that requires a supranational entity that coordinates the complex, fraught, and inefficient process of agreeing on transboundary issues that go far beyond the narrow realm of, for lack of a better term, the…
/r/MensRights06/10/20 04:00 PM
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I actually agree with the points. They are not the problem - the underlying dig at a whole gender and the reference to toxic masculinity, a term that has lost its validity and neutrality in the current debate, are. What is MRM about if not creating the space, opportunity, and tolerance for the plight of men in a way that strays outside their gender role? Our radicalism is in implicitly accepting the notion that men can be victims by dint of, inter alia, their gender. That is inherently hyperprog…
/r/MensRights06/10/20 10:47 AM
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To be fair, while this is dispiriting if not surprising, the stats are also not particularly informative. Most social spending is gender neutral by definition, but it may de facto benefit one gender more than another. Suicide prevention, for instance, may go mostly to boys as they are much more at risk than girls. Prostrate cancer prevention measures may not be classified as male-only measures in the stats, but of course are so de facto. Overall, however, I suspect you would find imbalance - les…
/r/MensRights06/10/20 10:43 AM
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In which situation, ever, do men celebrate a win because of the winner being male...? Absolutely nothing comes to mind, not even the exception that proves the rule...
/r/MensRights30/09/20 09:57 AM
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I could not make sense of what you wrote (it seems like you are trying to dispel the myth that chess is played in teams and looking desperately to find someone who cherishes it :). For a long time, women in chess were able to play both only with women or with women and (mostly men). They also had a central ranking system, starting at around 1200 and going up to 2700 or thereabouts. The top 250 (nowadays more) players had the title grand masters - and there, I think, women have made up 3-5%. Amon…
/r/MensRights30/09/20 06:27 AM
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I think this is the case for most sports, right? In fact, one might have expected this gender imbalance to be less pronounced in a sport where physical strength plays no role. On the other hand, allow men and women to compete, and you would see women making up but a few percent of, say, chess grandmasters. Not sure if that is the solution either for obvious reasons.
/r/MensRights29/09/20 10:51 AM
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Not necessarily - if it is said in the context of a large gap in leniency to the detriment of men, as is the case nowadays. Treat men and women equally means in most cases an imperative to treat men more leniently. In general, rates of recidivism and reintegration are much better in countries that err on the lenient side, such as the Nordics, where custodial sentences are rare and seen as a last resort.
/r/MensRights29/09/20 10:48 AM
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The 20% wage gap comes from correcting only for part- and full time (only a rough approximation of actual times work). Some studies correct for occupation - so I have seen articles claiming a 10% wage gap to the detriment of women for physicians. But that, of course, conflates radiologists and neurosurgeons with psychotherapists (in the US, most of them are psychiatrists) and dermatologists, which are male- and female dominated specialisations respectively. The data on managers I did not see, bu…
/r/MensRights29/09/20 07:57 AM
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The addition "for the same work" refers, at least initially, to the only correction done in the raw wage data: adjusting for part- and full-time work. So misleading, yes, but not an outright lie... As an economist, a field where even the basics make clear that even a marginal average difference of 1% would lead to massive arbitrage (preference for the lower wage gender until the difference diminishes) in anything resembling a competitive market, what I find more fascinating than the interminable…
/r/MensRights29/09/20 07:05 AM
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First of all, I would not use prostitution as an example of a crime - it should not be, to my mind, as a result of basic liberal principles; and at any rate, most countries who criminalise prostitution criminalise both demand and supply, so by definition perpetration rates should be equal (sorry for the heterosexism that is meant to simplify only). Men commit more crimes for pretty much the same reason men lead more companies - the range of abilities, level of drive, and intelligence is broader …
/r/MensRights29/09/20 06:59 AM
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The wage gap is statistically true, of course. It is the assumption that most or even part of it is due to wage discrimination that is not. So saying the wage gap does or does not exist is like saying you either believe in global warming or you do not: it misses the point. Sorry for being a stickler - but making clearer distinctions might help. Besides, noting this does not per se undermine the case for discrimination, but you would have to look for it elsewhere, such as in promotions.
/r/MensRights29/09/20 06:16 AM
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I do think we should believe people who say they are victims of crime - but believe in the sense of being sympathetic and listening carefully, not undermine the basic right to due process. We are conflating two issues here...
/r/MensRights28/09/20 02:39 PM
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To me, the data is pretty clear. The factors that correlate with likelihood to face police brutality (whether warranted, unwarranted, or inbetween) is first gender (male), second age, and third socioeconomic class (lower class), and then, after a gap, race (Blacks and to a lesser extent Hispanics to the advantage of East Asian and Jewish, not clearly whites). Control for class, and the gap between blacks and the rest diminishes significantly, although some still remains. Still, I find it bizarre…
/r/MensRights28/09/20 02:35 PM
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Suicide prevention is actually an area where we need a strong gender perspective. Based on what I have read (as, at best, an informed amateur), the dynamics and neuroses, especially in younger years, differ substantially. For instance, although we have become strikingly more tolerant as a society, gay boys are much, much likelier to commit suicide than lesbian girls. So the problem here, I submit, is not the gendering, but, if my assumption is correct, that corresponding services of the same sco…
/r/MensRights24/09/20 06:25 AM
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I am not really sure I get this. Misogyny means hatred of women, not necessarily acting on that hatred in a way that causes harm. How can that be a crime? Would we punish people with pedophile thoughts rather than the (I hope, small) sub-group that actually acts on those thoughts (whose problem may be as much a downright psychopathic lack of empathy than their inclinations, especially given that the word means love, not hate, of children)? From an MRA perspective, rather than outlawing misandry,…
/r/MensRights24/09/20 06:17 AM
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Good luck attracting women to work in coal mines. I mean that honestly. It is, at the very least, a tiny step forward from the single minded focus on more women in the most high status occupations.
/r/MensRights21/09/20 11:02 AM
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I think many would contend false accusations are also what caused the wave of lynchings in the first half of the last century. But class and race have, I think, been equally important. I would surmise that most cases of ("successful") false accusations involved accusers that enjoyed a higher social status than the accused. Am I wrong about that? Would love to know.
/r/MensRights21/09/20 10:59 AM
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Hayek, the leading liberal thinker in economics in the US, once wrote a paper termed Why I am not a conservative (which could be read equally well as why I am not a socialist). One of the main observations was that the right and the left both have an overwheening confidence in the role and the need for state power to guide social development, whereas liberals are concerned with creating a society that follows principles that protects all views and allow them to co-exist. Hitler, from one perspec…
/r/MensRights21/09/20 10:55 AM
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Not an A paper, Im afraid. But an F? That is outrageous - I think you should complain. Abuse of power does not often get much clearer than this. I am a bit surprised. I am from Sweden, but studied in the US. I remember a feminist teacher who hated my guts, but still gave me A plus on papers (albeit the topic was not feminism). With few exceptions, I found that professors were generally good about separating disagreement from their views with evaluation of work. Although, of course, I did not stu…
/r/MensRights21/09/20 10:49 AM
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No disagreement there. The ones out there are the exceptions that prove the rule. However, the problem is also on the demand side - some German cities opened them and found few looking for help. Not sure why exactly, but I guess overall men are much less likely to look for help - overall, and especially in cases of DV (and sexual assault, depression, and the like). On this issue, however, I think I see quite a bit of movement - such as on fathers rights. Mainstream media occasionally carries ane…
/r/MensRights17/09/20 12:43 PM
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Not sure what you are referring to - but when I used we above, I was talking about society in general and on average. This is, I think, the important point: we are not talking about a small, fanatic group of feminists or even the left in general, but about all of us. Traditional conservatives are as likely, I think, to see DV as not only an overwhelmingly gendered issue, but as one characterised by the stereotype depicted in that iconic poster with a woman cowering in a corner and a man with a c…
/r/MensRights17/09/20 11:56 AM
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I presume you mean shelters specifically for male DV victims? Not a surprise. There are some here and there, but more the exceptions that prove the rule. In the rich world, however, I do not think shelters are the place to start. It is in our entire approach to DV prevention. Fortunately, the group of men victims of DV that have absolutely no other feasible option to find shelter is relatively small - we should care for them, but it is only part of a much larger issue. For women as well - I woul…
/r/MensRights16/09/20 07:16 AM
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I tried posting at feminist once. It was an eminently neutral post - only a benevolent question. I was banned immediately. The reason was that I had posted here. It did not even matter what I posted - in fact, many times I am calling out sexism and extremism here and calling for more nuance and analysis. It is symptomatic of the toxicity of the discussion that, so far, I have not found anything resembling a forum for open discussion that is not clearly tainted one way or the other. The ones that…
/r/MensRights16/09/20 05:23 AM
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Listen to Jonathan Haidts lectures about why questioning obviously false claims, such as the wage gap (or specifically, the assumption that direct discrimination is driving the earnings gap), is so difficult. What he says applies much more broadly than that. So I will leave it at that, also because we have discussed these issues at length in other threads. As someone who knows Russia well, however, this strikes me. On the one hand, you have a president whose macho posturing borders on the ridicu…
/r/MensRights16/09/20 05:18 AM
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This is not a complete lie, just a parodic, hateful, selective, and simplistic version of what does plague many men. It is no coincidence that many men struggle with friendships that are not clearly tied to, say, sports, teams, or work - all contexts where indeed there is an element of a common enemy or at least a common purpose. One of the most brilliant sitcoms I know, One foot in the grave, is exactly about the frustrations of a recently retired man at one bereft of the channels for social in…
/r/MensRights16/09/20 05:08 AM
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I would expect cases like this in pretty much any matter where government spending is high or is rising rapidly. However, in cases where money flows to highly politicised topics, such as gender violence and climate change, this is likely to be even more pronounced for the simple reason that it is very hard to subject these activities to suspicion - at least until you have clear evidence, as in this case. The normal mechanisms of audit and media scrutiny will be much less effective. Just to make …
/r/MensRights16/09/20 05:04 AM
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Some prominent, albeit relatively thoughtful, feminist once defended this focus on violence against women by pointing out that societies where there is less violence against women, there is also less violence overall. This claim bears out: what is specious is of course assuming correlation is causation. So what strikes me is this: I am against Boko Haram and Lukashenkos current repression of protests in Belarus. In both cases, female victims have featured prominently - we all remember the girls,…
/r/MensRights16/09/20 05:00 AM
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How about being against all those who call for (unjustified) wars, rape children, and run (let us say violent, exploitative, or child) pornography operations? The simple fallacy is: just because most of group x also belong to group y, that rarely allows you to draw conclusion about the entire group y. Let us say most of those who falsely accuse people of rape are women: would we then conclude anything from that about the 99.9% of women who do not?
/r/MensRights16/09/20 04:55 AM
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Lower retirement ages for women, I think (but please correct me), more or less the standard half a century ago. The reason, I presume, was that working was less comfortable back then, and that we presumed women were more fragile. This was actually one of the first things many feminists wanted to scrap (at least in Sweden), for the simple - and correct - reason that this imposed a higher cost of employment for women on employers and hence served as a disincentive to hire them (at least at the sam…
/r/MensRights16/09/20 04:52 AM
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The logic here is bizarre: if homophobia against gay men is rooted in devaluation of what is female, then we should logically also see femininity in women slandered, and butch Lesbians ruling the roost. We see nothing of the sort... What effeminate gay men, rather, are doing is something akin to the farmer acting as a nobleman.
/r/MensRights15/09/20 12:07 PM
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I guess I broadly agree. Just a few nuances: - I remember I was indeed surprised that he won, not only as a male, but from a well-off, post Colonial country (and, of course, old and white) - but I think this was a case of problems with several of the candidates and the veto power many countries have. - I do not think Guterres is actually personally feeling guilt for this. He is just a weathered political actor reacting to incentives. He had to be seen as doing something for women; the place to s…
/r/MensRights15/09/20 06:28 AM
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The incentives are clear: if you have a voice and privilege and want to keep it, you cannot afford openly to oppose feminism. You either have to get on the bandwagon or surreptitiously navigate your way around it. The only political voices opposing feminism do so not on behalf of mens rights, but as part and parcel of blanket opposition to the vagaries of the (extreme) left. At the same time, how often do prominent activists actually speak about problems directly affecting them? Al Gore, with hi…
/r/MensRights14/09/20 10:48 AM
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Pretty much all the major disagreements a (moderate) MRA might have with feminists stem not from the movements concern with gender equality, but from the stances they take as a result of combining gender equality with advocacy for women specifically. They justify this bizarre combination with a narrative of systemic historical and actual oppression of women. But, as should be clear to anyone engaging in this debate for a longer time, that assumption is tenuous and partial at best.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 10:41 AM
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Interesting. I can think of 5-10 high-profile women in tech, and not one single African American. But of course it is not my sector.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 07:45 AM
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The male senior officials pushing it are also self-serving, starting with the SG himself. In fact, being male, he has to bend over backwards not to appear soft on the issue (if nothing else, to be able to do his jobs in other areas). So it is a matter of the incentive structure. We see the same logic, albeit with less intensity, on geographical representation, the beneficiaries of which are the elite in poor countries. Senior positions in the UN are not that highly paid, though. In fact, with ea…
/r/MensRights14/09/20 07:44 AM
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In the face of that nuanced, specific, and fact-based retort, I have no choice but to rest my case and wish you a great weekend.
/r/MensRights11/09/20 03:58 PM
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Perhaps it is men who should not be as cavalier about taking risks? And women who should relax a bit more? Both genders could learn from one another here... We see the same with Covid: I see young women, the demographic least likely to suffer severe symptoms, consumed by trepidation, and 60-year old men more or less shrugging it off. Would we argue the latter group is privileged in this respect?
/r/MensRights11/09/20 03:56 PM
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First of all, depending on what data you use, female rulers are at least as likely as men to engage in wars (too difficult to define "start" - did Thatcher start the Falkland war? She initiated warfare, but the Argentinians provoked it). Second, wars are fought between nations or groups that include in all cases 50% women, and on behalf of those groups. Third, there is no reason to excuse the enormity of combatant or civilian deaths for the simple reason that the person responsible share the sam…
/r/MensRights11/09/20 02:54 PM
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Really? 99.9pc? How about, say, African Americans who, I recollect vaguely, were even more underrepresented in MINT than women (depends quite a bit on whether you include biology and medicine, where I think women are overrepresented or on par).
/r/MensRights11/09/20 02:48 PM
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That is indeed misogyny. However, on the one hand we have Guardian editorials and entire books celebrating outright hatred of men - on the other we have occasional trolls on, for most people, obscure reddit fora under the guise of anonymity - most of which even people here condemn forcefully. Remind me again why misogyny is rampant and misandry a myth?
/r/MensRights11/09/20 02:45 PM
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Find one?
/r/MensRights11/09/20 02:06 PM
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But you know who ARE victims? Poor people. In the US, for instance, the education system is remarkably regressive, with funding from land taxes and house prices in good school areas going for premia that sometimes exceed the cost of education altogether. Remarkable, is it not, that we are not talking about this - especially on the left, a movement with its roots in calls for combating class differences. But also on the libertarian right - icons like Milton Friedman has underscored the inherent i…
/r/MensRights11/09/20 02:05 PM
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I think this is a silly question to ask in the first place - and it is also not good to dismiss it as a myth rather than an unnuanced half-truth. But if we want to get a sense, how about this? Compare parenting among lesbian and gay couples raising children. Has anyone done this?
/r/MensRights11/09/20 01:55 PM
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You can portray whatever you want depending on what indicators you pick... Pick incidence of type 2 diabetes, burn-out syndrome, and regular use of psychiatric services as your indicators, and voila, you can show that wealthy Americans far worse than poor Malawians. Easy.
/r/MensRights11/09/20 01:53 PM
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All for body positivity (well accepting but not promoting obesity). But that is a funny place to start... :)
/r/MensRights11/09/20 01:13 PM
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I am speaking for myself and my impressions. If yours differ, please, share them. I am all ears (well, eyes in this case).
/r/MensRights11/09/20 01:02 PM
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I can confirm that this is true (barring some of the slightly incendiary wording) - and that it is not new, the SG is simply rehashing previous initiatives with modest changes. You cannot, of course, fix a supply-side problem (assuming we agree it is a problem) with demand-side measures. The upshot has been a dominance of women in leading positions in attractive locations, like Geneva and Vienna, while field positions in hardship countries, many of which do not allow you to bring your family, ar…
/r/MensRights11/09/20 10:22 AM
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I would be happy to have that conversation. But we should have them with men as well. In fact, I think that almost all of us have been in such situations. There might be differences in the nature of the situations and our reactions - but if you ask me if I have ever had sex even though I really did not want to (as a gay man), then yes, many times. If, however, you ask if someone had sex even though she or he ABSOLUTELY did not want to - that is a different matter altogether.
/r/MensRights11/09/20 10:17 AM
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I read up a bit about this in the French press. The defense was that while the title is inflammatory, the content is less so. That is, admittedly, correct - though that is because it is hard to beat a title like that. What is bizarre to me is this: take the most extreme case of institutionalised rasism in the West: the KKK and David Duke. After I saw the movie, I had a look around: the web pages are indeed disgusting, but nowhere do they actually go as far as expressing outright hatred for black…
/r/MensRights11/09/20 10:13 AM
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The short answer is: you dont. Or at least, you do not interact with her and get on with your lives. I am a bit surprised at your advise for men to go to the police when harrassed by women, especially in the context of sexual or domestic violence. This is very difficult for men, both psychologically and in terms of the response they are likely to get from the system, even in hyperprogressive Sweden - and our image of India is that it would be even more so. But we have many (often partially or co…
/r/MensRights11/09/20 10:08 AM
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I have seen many stories along these lines - inordinate, as it turned out, attention to Covid led health system to deprioritise less urgent and preventive care, which in turn at least anecdotally lead to unnecessary deaths. This, however, is the rich world. In the poor world, where millions die each year of malaria alone, most of which preventable with even modest standards of care, the problem must be much, much larger - especially as vital donor funding (on which MOST health care in countries …
/r/MensRights11/09/20 10:04 AM
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As long as there are single issues and you can clearly avoid anything approaching an overall MRA spin, BBC and their likes actually do pick these issues up every once in a while. Rape of men in war-time Congo, disenfranchised fathers, male rape victims - they all get coverage, although of course much less than for female victims and without any hint in the direction of, say, male victimhood overall.
/r/MensRights11/09/20 10:00 AM
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In this case, I think the much bigger problem is that corporal punishment is allowed as a matter of course in the first place - especially for children. This should be a no-go - though perhaps I could imagine an exception for repeat sex offenders as an option to replace custodial sentences. Point taken, however. Unfortunately, I would have been more surprised if they would have caned girls as well...
/r/MensRights11/09/20 09:53 AM
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I was speaking generally about the term and hype around trafficking. However, even when it comes to sex trafficking, and at least about women and girls, the figures tend to include much of what we would normally think of prostitution (which, of course, it would be weird to term downright voluntary, so it is of course a continuum). If you would apply exactly the same definition to men vs women, then in fact I find it fully credible that almost half of the victims are male. So I was not second-gue…
/r/MensRights11/09/20 08:35 AM
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Most women and girls are in families with a male household head, especially in developing countries (where single women above 25 is a phenomenon only among the upper classes - who do not need our help anyway), so women and girls will also be negatively affected if the father and husband loses his job. Same the other way around. I would accept this line of argument if we replace gender with, say, ethnic groups, sectors of occupation, or social class - but in the case of gender, the logic is bizar…
/r/MensRights09/09/20 11:39 AM
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How are some, admittedly silly, wrong-headed, or even erroneous, tweets from President Trump labeled hate speech, while this is not? And that is coming from someone who opposes him (though not by far with the same verve and obsession as many on the left in the US).
/r/MensRights09/09/20 11:34 AM
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We should keep in mind that these figures are based on almost ridiculously broad definition of trafficking to include pretty much any situation where a person may be driven to do something - including economic necessity. This is because of an insidious political dynamic: lobby groups and NGOs of course have an interest to exaggerate the problem, while few have an incentive to call for moderation - if nothing else for the simple reason that doing so would make you subject to accusations of callou…
/r/MensRights09/09/20 11:32 AM
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Indeed. To be fair, some of the things he said were indeed gauche and sometimes sexist, though in a benevolent way - he never said, as far as I could glean from an article slamming him (the kind that I would fully trust to dig up any dirt), anything along the lines of women being incapable of science. So he deserves a bit of flac, perhaps. But my point is: how can, on the one hand, Eminem more or less get away with a much, much higher degree of sexism and profanity, while a world-renowned geneti…
/r/MensRights09/09/20 11:24 AM
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Interesting, is it not, how Eminem could get away with all this when other very talented men (and women) have seen their careers crumble for much, much less... Think the likes of Larry Summers, Laura Kipnis (?), and that Nobel-prize winning biologist whose research had saved thousands of lives that let something gauche but benevolent slip about women (what was his name?). Seems almost arbitrary.
/r/MensRights08/09/20 01:26 PM
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Maybe not take gender studies? Not because it is not an interesting subject, but because it is heavily ideologically infused.
/r/MensRights08/09/20 10:16 AM
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Over the past half century, we have reduced absolute poverty in the world by 80% and almost doubled life expectancy in the developing world. While our handling of the pandemic and the economic consequences are not exactly a cause for celebration, talk about missing the big picture here...
/r/MensRights08/09/20 10:14 AM
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I do not know, but most likely - of course not. However, there has been some progress of late: one of the largest hospitals opened a service for male sexual assault victims, and there are several shelters open for male DV victims. All at the behest of the avowedly feminist left (which differs in a few important respects from that of the US, inter alia by pushing for scrapping alimony and introducing default shared custody - all of course more out of efforts to open up professional success for wo…
/r/MensRights07/09/20 12:15 PM
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I am too lazy for that, and at any rate, even if the numbers are off, the overall contradiction I am pointing to holds - and my interest in the contradiction is, at the moment, intellectual rather than driven by political convictions. Or are you saying women are more at risk of serious effects or death from Covid? That would indeed be fascinating.
/r/MensRights04/09/20 09:25 AM
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What you say of course applies, or should apply, to all criminal cases. But, arguably, this is not always the case in sexual assault matters. More often than not, courts have to convict or acquit based on little more than the testimony of the accusers and light circumstantial evidence at the most. While I guess we can assume most convictions are justified, it is no coincidence that something like 90% of the acquittals that the Innocence Project achieved concerned cases of sexual assault or abuse…
/r/MensRights04/09/20 09:16 AM
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I am sure you are right. In fact, the more I learn, the more I realise how little I know and am able to understand. I am not sure that qualifies as a special kind, though.
/r/MensRights04/09/20 08:57 AM
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I do not know that everyone will disagree at all, so if I am mad, it is involuntary. To my mind, I only shared my superficial analysis and asked for thoughts on them - in fact, I think I do not even have a clear political position at all on them (apart of course from the sexism inherent in the post topic, but on that we all agree, so little point in discussing that). At any rate, I would be interested in what gave you this flabbergasting impression?
/r/MensRights04/09/20 08:55 AM
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Disregarding the blatant, but not particularly surprising, sexism here: it IS true that women tend to be much more concerned about Covid and much more supportive of even the most radical measures we have seen, such as the lock-downs. Meanwhile, women are not a third as likely to perish from the disease, but less than a TENTH as likely. I did the math for Sweden, and if you combine the fact that men stand for 70% of deaths with the fact that women make up 80% of Swedes over 80 years old, which st…
/r/MensRights03/09/20 05:17 PM
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For what its worth, insisting on talking about your feelings and experiences DESPITE occasionally being dismissed as a pussy, IS being strong. So keep it up.
/r/MensRights01/09/20 06:50 PM
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If your mother honestly thinks you HATE half the population, then your problems are much larger than simply explaining mens rights to her...
/r/MensRights01/09/20 06:48 PM
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Actually, as far as I know, and in Sweden at least, the law is gender-neutral. Of course, it stands to reason that male victims (at least adults) of female perpetrators are less likely to report, and courts less likely to throw the book... but still. The only convictions I have heard of of female offenders are cases of statutory rape. I wonder if anything is happening on lesbian rape, come to think of it.
/r/MensRights01/09/20 06:46 PM
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Somewhere I read that the overwhelming majority of men who sexually or physically abuse their children are NOT the biological fathers. The stats were pretty striking - something like 80%. Has anyone seen this? Or am I mixing things up?
/r/MensRights01/09/20 06:43 PM
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This, along with similar symptoms, such as the empathy gap, is where I am the most pessimistic. Male disposability was, put simply, an evolutionary necessity for almost all of human history - it is the reason we humans survived in the first place. Think it through a bit. How on earth can we expect to change 30.000 years of biological and cultural programming in the few generations where, in the rich world, we have had the luxury of questioning gender roles in the first place? Still, the first ch…
/r/MensRights01/09/20 06:41 PM
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Progress of sorts... to be honest, I think we sometimes overemphasise the issue of false accusations to the detriment of male victims. Several US states and EU countries have, by now, passed some version of the idea of affirmative consent - ignoring the valid points by seasoned jurists about the impossibility of putting it into practice. Sweden, my country, did, a few years ago. Last I checked, convictions, overall and as a percentage of accusations, had not budged. Even though, by the letter of…
/r/MensRights01/09/20 06:34 PM
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No, it will never stop. The specific nature of sexual assault (no witnesses etc) will make sure that, no matter what we do, there will be wrongful convictions (and acquittals). What MIGHT be changing a bit is that more and more wrongful convictions are being reversed. Then again, that might just be my impression based on evidence that is anecdotal at best. We can hope. 44 years... wow.
/r/MensRights01/09/20 06:27 PM
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(Back after summer break from both work and Reddit). Wow, outright saying kill all men? Incredible. At the very least, in opposing that we will have the company of most of humanity. It is the more subtle misandry, masquerading as moral probity and righteousness, that is much more insidious. In fact, I welcome the honesty of hashtags like that...
/r/MensRights31/08/20 12:02 PM
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Of course, by dismissing men by saying they have a victim mindset, she is of course illustrating our reluctance to accept men as victims (at least as a result of their gender).
/r/MensRights07/08/20 09:26 AM
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Try this one the next time a feminist complains that rape victims are not believed because they are women: What, do you mean that male rape victims are much more likely to be believed? That is terrible. Wonder what the reaction would be...
/r/MensRights07/08/20 09:22 AM
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I am 47, though my teen years are still pretty vivid. I grew up gay, and I remember growing up - in a rich, progressive, northern European country - in a school environment where expressing outright disgust about gay men was perfectly acceptable in informal circumstances. I managed fine, after all, but only with some thick skin and quick wit and good friends. Things are much better on that front - in fact, astonishingly so, perhaps historians of the future will marvel at the speed. But what YOU …
/r/MensRights07/08/20 09:20 AM
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Had it said "with children" I would not have minded at all. And if it takes pointing to girls to save our planet, or for that matter root out Boko Haram, then I am less inclined to let my MRM sensitivities get in the way. Then again, I find Greta-style alarmism very harmful and a leading reason why we are not able to take cheap and plentiful measures to manage the risk of catastrophic climate change - use nuclear, stop subsidising and start lightly and gradually taxing externalities, promote res…
/r/MensRights07/08/20 08:28 AM
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I think most men, and tall, bulky men in particular, can tell some story of running or walking behind a woman on a quiet street or in a quiet park, having her look over her shoulder nervously, and not knowing what to do - both staying behind and passing her could be creepy or threatening. Saying something, no matter what, even more so. And, by the way, not only women - I have myself been in her position, though not often (I vividly remember walking down the middle of the street among cars to pas…
/r/MensRights07/08/20 08:20 AM
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I am actually not sure about that. I agree it would be true if the accusations were of SEXUAL harassment. But this kind of tyrannic, unnecessary harassment goes on quite a bit - I have heard similar stories about what feels like half of famous people, women and men. Of course, it should be obvious to anyone with a DSM manual that Ellens persona cannot reflect reality. It is painfully obvious. But nor would I expect it to be any easier to work for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Bill Maher, or even …
/r/MensRights04/08/20 12:59 PM
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I assume red pill lifestyle means something along the lines of MGTOW or at least strong awareness of gender roles and how they affect men? In that case, I think the answer is pretty straightforward: you are, with your actions, questioning the male gender role (stand up, do not complain, protect and provide, do not be a victim - especially not by dint of your gender). That is, of course, threatening as it is hyperprogressive.
/r/MensRights04/08/20 11:55 AM
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I am a gay man, so all I can contribute is the perspective of an outsider on this. I have a hard time imagining being an open MRA woman would, everything else being equal, make you more attractive. Basic human compassion, of course, is important - but MRA makes things turn political, and I think most men, while recognising most MRA talking points, do not want to enter the morass of gender politics - especially not at home. That is just a thought. Then again, pretty much the same might apply with…
/r/MensRights04/08/20 11:47 AM
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I guess in cases where it goes to court, it does happen. But of course, it would require men with sole custody, men willing to go after their wives for child support, and custodial fathers making significantly less than their ex-wives - all of which not particularly common.
/r/MensRights04/08/20 11:43 AM
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This is why Paul Elam (whose hyperbole I often disagree with) called feminism traditionalism - dialled up. Combine first wave feminism with the incentives of a lobby group for a whole gender, and pretty soon you will discover that most of the potential actually lies in the latter. Making the movement in many matters arguably downright reactionary... Social conservatives and feminists might disagree on things like allowing, or even encouraging women, to walk around in short skirts. But the impera…
/r/MensRights03/08/20 10:50 AM
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They do not need to be common (and yes, I am aware of the counternarrative here). They just need a couple of examples... and yet they still pick this one.
/r/MensRights30/07/20 04:36 PM
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Men as victims? Because of their gender??? Systematically???? Think about it. Does not get much more progressive than that...
/r/MensRights30/07/20 04:35 PM
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I still submit radical feminists are NOT the underlying problem. We have all kinds of crazy people out there, but most of the time, we keep them at bay - when did we last even hear from the KKK? With radical feminism, however, we have the problem of a society that gives them a platform - or at least systematically does not subject them to criticism and analysis. Let us take a conservative, 55-year old gentleman I recently spoke to. One happy to ridicule the extremes of the left. But: For some re…
/r/MensRights30/07/20 04:34 PM
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Not sure anyone is claiming it is the fault of feminism. They might ignore or downplay mens problems, yes - but the underlying factors are the empathy gap and gender roles. Neither of those are the fault of one gender only. So not sure why this claim is made and why it would be controversial.
/r/MensRights30/07/20 01:09 PM
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First of all - what is the most surprising is, in fact, that this article is surprising at all. We know about the empathy gap, which with little imagination explains pretty much everything discussed here and on Jezebel. And basic familiarity with evolution is enough to explain that gap and gender roles. Second, our (societys) view of gender is distorted, yes - but hardly more distorted than in other areas. We killed more people reacting to the threat of terrorism than terrorists did on their own…
/r/MensRights30/07/20 12:46 PM
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Looking at convictions alone, we are talking about hundreds of thousands every year. All they need is a couple of flagrant examples. Should not be that difficult. So why in the world pick this one?
/r/MensRights30/07/20 12:38 PM
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I am aware of the literature on the gender distribution and directionality of DV. That was not my point: my point was why on earth pick an example like this as an example of the feminist perspective? Why not pick one that fits?
/r/MensRights30/07/20 12:22 PM
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This is what I find most bizarre: I can understand, albeit of course not endorse, the inclination to focus on women as victims, especially of DV. In that context, I can also understand picking the stories that fit the narrative most of the time. But this, by any logic (I even read pieces of the court transcripts at some point because the reporting was so contradictory), does NOT fit the narrative. At the very least, she was an equal aggressor - and more probably, she was the main aggressor. Most…
/r/MensRights29/07/20 11:55 AM
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Should the corresponding term not be masculist (with a Latin root, just like FEMinist?)
/r/MensRights27/07/20 09:30 AM
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Should the corresponding term not be masculist (with a Latin root, just like FEMinist?)
/r/MensRights27/07/20 09:25 AM
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Does the term meninist refer to pick-up artists? The points they list remind me of (the feminist distorted view) of their talking points. MRAs are more concerned with things like the empathy gap, and male victims of the crimes feminists are concerned with, right? Or am I missing something. I also hear masculist - is that yet another distinct category?
/r/MensRights24/07/20 01:32 PM
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Alternatively: dont be a slut and do not neglect your children.
/r/MensRights24/07/20 11:00 AM
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There was an episode of Curb your enthusiasm with EXACTLY this scenario. Of course, the woman got a grudge and ended up later in the episode paying Larry back for speaking up...
/r/MensRights23/07/20 08:50 AM
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Of course. The empathy gap, gender roles, the historical norm of polygamy - all have the same origin. Throughout most of human history, the only way the tribe could survive at all, in a world plagued by ubiquitous violence, disease, risks of childbirth, and child mortality of over 30%, was by focusing on protecting and providing for mothers and children. In a life span barely exceeding 40, every woman had to bear and rear over 4 children on average. This led to polygamy, allowing the strongest (…
/r/MensRights23/07/20 08:48 AM
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I cannot think of ANY instance of men saying they hate girls (women?) for any reason. The only thing even close to that are frustrated comments in forums like this one along the lines of not being able to trust women for fear of things like false accusations. If misogyny, which, keep in mind, means actual hatred of women, is so rampant, then why can we not find it anywhere? Meanwhile, the Guardian still can post editorials outright talking about hate for an entire gender...
/r/MensRights22/07/20 03:00 PM
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I think the more telling figure would be taxes on womens salaries as a percentage of overall income. The latter figure should be lower than the one indicated by the wage (earnings) gap. Then I would leave out capital gains and related taxes that might skew the picture. At any rate, although the result might be less dramatic, it is inevitably true that men overall pay more tax and use less public services.
/r/MensRights22/07/20 02:57 PM
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I am pretty convinced, both from the studies I have seen and from personal experience, that my sexuality is not the result of a choice or, say childhood trauma. Nevertheless, it bothers me a bit that seeing it as a choice should be an automatic path to prejudice. It should follow logically from liberal values that we all share that, as long as we do not cause harm to anyone, we SHOULD be able to make choices... At any rate, the comment surprised me, because compared to the 80s when expressing di…
/r/MensRights22/07/20 08:49 AM
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The polarisation of MSM is more a US phenomenon, I think. Over here, BBC World (World, not the UK channels) is certainly center left, but you see little of the extremes we find in the US, and they regularly invite the likes of Paul Ryan and Jordan Peterson. But, of course, media overall faces incentives to take clear sides, to exaggerate issues, to create hype, and to cater to their audience (well-educated, wealthy, left of center city dwellers for most serious newscasts). The same, albeit with …
/r/MensRights22/07/20 08:43 AM
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Not sure how data about the reasons for the earnings gap or gender differences in DV victimisation will prompt me to toe the feminist line... I would claim the opposite. So far, the data and analyses I have seen mostly support the MRA perspective - including, if you look closely, data touted by feminists as support for their views.
/r/MensRights22/07/20 08:10 AM
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Happy to change my mind in the face of data on this...
/r/MensRights20/07/20 01:52 PM
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I presume you mean gender INequality... or perhaps you were being facetious :)
/r/MensRights20/07/20 12:45 PM
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What is MSM? The Karen phenomenon is indeed fascinating to watch... Is there even a male equivalent? Asian?
/r/MensRights20/07/20 12:44 PM
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As I understand it, that only holds if you compare male circumcision in a clinical environment with the most egregious forms of female circumcision in a non-clinical environment (the latter, fortunately, being exceedingly rare nowadays - most FGM is now symbolic). At any rate, the point should not be to harp about what is worse. The point is extending the rights to bodily autonomy that we have acquired for women to men. I fail to see how combatting MGM would not be the natural logical progressio…
/r/MensRights20/07/20 12:41 PM
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Is anyone still arguing that sexuality is a choice in the Western world...?
/r/MensRights20/07/20 12:38 PM
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This is, fortunately, not very common - but is indeed one of the most egregious legislative gap. I heard of a nurse forcing herself on a mentally ill patient and then capping his vet allowance for child support, and one case of a teacher committing statutory rape and then suing the parents for child support. To me, forfeiting such rights and perhaps even custody of your baby should be the least such people should face.
/r/MensRights20/07/20 12:37 PM
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Some are talking about it - ideas along the lines of legal paternal surrender have been around, both in the MRM and beyond, for some time. And Sweden has something close to it de facto - custody is by default shared and child support minimal and capped at a few hundred per month. Some of this, however, we have to weigh up against the need to promote fertility and the simple fact that women are the ones that bear the child. Absolute equality will not be possible, nor reasonable from a societal st…
/r/MensRights20/07/20 12:35 PM
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Albeit my flaming drug liberalism (for the same reason I would be against prohibition of alcohol), I have to admit that is close to crossing the line with a 12-year-old... my God, when I was 12 I had barely heard of drugs... So did he give her a joint in the end or not? Or is the headline not only twisted, but an outright lie...?
/r/MensRights20/07/20 12:30 PM
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First, I would not take Twitter seriously in this context. Second, I have no way of knowing what is true or not. But I guess I would share the instinct that I assume drives your post that accusations launched on Twitter are more likely to be false or frivolous than those made to the police... Not sure where this line of reasoning is going, though.
/r/MensRights20/07/20 12:20 PM
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I understand that; though I would suspect the same ratios would hold there, too. Although, of course, it IS easier falsely to accuse someone if you do not have to go through detailed police interrogation.
/r/MensRights20/07/20 08:51 AM
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It was only to add perspective. My point is, even if you assume that the rate of false accusations among accusations is high - even as much as 50% - that does NOT mean that false accusations are a systemic issue that we need to be overly worried about in our daily lives, apart of course from some reasonable caution of the kind women take to lower the risk for sexual assault (which of course also is exaggerated). If you wish to replace the denominator I proposed with something else, that is fine.…
/r/MensRights20/07/20 08:50 AM
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I am not sure I see the points of disagreements here. I agree on the first, and I fail to see how Lisaks or other estimates (ranging from 8% to 80%) would alter the veracity of what I thought was an innocuous, yet forgotten, observation. So happy to defend my claims, but first I need to understand the objections to them...
/r/MensRights17/07/20 04:02 PM
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It is hard to imagine a trans man NOT giving off such inklings... I guess you mean you were (or felt) unattractive as a woman to other WOMEN, right, as you are straight as a man? Have you encountered situations with palpable transphobia? Fascinating. I have tons of questions, but lest this turns into an exchange not interesting to others I will let others pose theirs first. All the best to you, and congratulations - even if I felt like you, I would probably never be able to muster the courage to…
/r/MensRights17/07/20 02:32 PM
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May I please just insert a caveat here. False accusations are NOT common overall - say, as a percentage of the number of sexual encounters. They are, however, relatively common as a percentage of allegations (formal and informal). Similarly, it is not right to say that women (or men) lie about this - only that many in the tiny sub-group that bring forth allegations do. Of course, one side effect of "promoting" accusations of sexual assault is that people with, say, narcissistic traits will at ti…
/r/MensRights17/07/20 02:27 PM
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Why do you think you feel more attractive now? Apart, of course, from being more comfortable in your own skin. What have your dating experiences been like (of course no personal detail necessary - just your impressions and reactions you have seen and how they compare)?
/r/MensRights17/07/20 10:14 AM
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Actually, I meant social status - but the misunderstanding raises an interesting question. I would venture the (slightly educated) guess that economic status matters much more for men than for women in terms of their overall status - which in turn should correlate closely with sexual attractiveness. Working at a deli, of course, your economic status would be below average (unless you are independently wealthy). Concretely, I would love to know how you feel your economic status has influenced you…
/r/MensRights16/07/20 09:30 AM
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Thanks for your honest thoughts. For all the hype about - lets call it transexualism - over recent years, most of what I hear are silly but yet heated discussion about pronouns and polarisation that makes simple scientific statements about gender the realm of the alt-right. Yet we hear little about how people who have gone through transition actually see the differences between living as a man or a woman. Perhaps this is because the few accounts I have found, with a few exceptions, confirm the M…
/r/MensRights15/07/20 06:07 PM
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Perhaps we should avoid comparing human beings to dogs... if nothing else to avoid giving MRA-haters more meme fodder :) But of course, if we have to generalise, this holds pretty much true on average. It also makes sense: had we NOT thought this way, the human race would not have survived throughout most of our history. Think it through: 30 year life expectancy, sky-high child and maternal mortality, constant disease and warfare, regular famine and malnutrition - had women not focused on birthi…
/r/MensRights15/07/20 02:24 PM
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To be fair, if you accuse someone of circlejerking in an Orwellian bubble (whatever that means), it would be a bit illusory to expert a polite reply, let alone someone to convert...
/r/MensRights14/07/20 09:47 AM
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On the other hand, who on earth can disagree with that men can be victims? Pretty innocuous claim. Real progress would be an admission that men can be victims systematically and as at least a partial result of their gender.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 09:43 AM
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This is not only a supply-side problem, but perhaps even more a demand-side one. There is, quite simply, nothing to gain from even pointing to overall male victimhood. In fact, I think it is impossible - and always have. The exceptions prove the rule - consistently, where we do empathise with men as victims, we do so because they are part of a specific group and happen to be men. Victims of humanitarian disasters and crime. Combat soldiers. Parents struggling with divorce or problems with childr…
/r/MensRights11/07/20 02:17 PM
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I guess the corresponding exhortation for women would be something like do not be a slut or do not neglect your children? Both demand that a person adheres more closely to standard gender roles. Bizarre, of course, that the term is sometimes used in the spirit of a movement that purports to oppose gender roles (feminism).
/r/MensRights11/07/20 01:12 PM
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I actually do think there might be good reasons for considering the gender dynamics here. Maybe it is worse if the teacher is male and the student female. But that difference is by any logic far, far less than the difference in how we treat these crimes. Besides, any reasonably looking male teacher will tell you stories about crushes from their female students - and struggling to dodge them in ways that do not trigger allegations. It might be true that many straight 14 year old boys would not mi…
/r/MensRights11/07/20 10:16 AM
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Love the user parodic user name. What strikes me is this: the only way that Depp finally managed to gain sympathy for his perspective at all, let alone, with some prominent exceptions such as Variety and, of course, some feminist die-hards, relatively broadly, is a combination of a range of evidence and some remarkable, downright moronic stupidity on the part of Amber Heard. Had Depp not systematically gathered evidence, and had Heard just played her cards a bit better, he would probably be univ…
/r/MensRights10/07/20 12:07 PM
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My point was not related to your claims per se. My point was: IF it is indeed true that women incur more insurance costs per mile driven, or even overall, then insurance companies, whose jobs depend on estimating risks correctly, certainly already know this. Then why are they charging men more (at least, when I had a car in the US, the young male premium was 200%, perhaps half of that because of gender alone) for car insurance (I think it was 120 USD per month in the early 90s, and my share of t…
/r/MensRights10/07/20 11:50 AM
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Income tax here is about 40% in most cantons, albeit with a large 35 k deduction. Lower than in France if you count payroll taxes, but far from a haven. And we get quite a bit for our taxes: impeccable roads, hundreds of trains going up mountains, some of the best public schools in the world, very little visible poverty (though mostly through ample jobs rather than transfers), and remarkably responsive public services - when I lost my drivers license, I paid 50 CHF and got a new one in two minut…
/r/MensRights10/07/20 11:31 AM
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Not particularly inclined to argue here, as I do not feel particularly strongly about this issue (apart from that men and women should be treated equally). But an important point is perhaps missing here: conscription in Europe started in the first world war for obvious reasons, and have persisted in many countries since. But warfare is different now. We have much better technology, and hordes of non-specialists combatants are becoming less and less important. Besides, quality matters: people joi…
/r/MensRights10/07/20 11:24 AM
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First of all, a caveat: Switzerland is one of the richest countries in the world (GDP per capita 90% of that of California), and also, if you exclude for the super rich (oil sheiks, Tina Turner) 0.5% - one of the MOST equal. I live here, and my cleaning lady makes 30 an hour - not much, but she manages to live on half of it and send the rest home. So my sympathy here is constrained by the simple fact that we are talking about some of the, for other reasons than gender, privileged people in the w…
/r/MensRights09/07/20 02:06 PM
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Yes, that I have observed. This is, of course, also because of the male gender role: men have little to lose and much respect to gain from their (heterosexual) promiscuity, whereas women retain status they already have by RESISTING promiscuity. That is, of course, why initiatives such as trying to slut-shame (straight) men strike as as so hilariously misguided: the equivalent of calling a woman a slut is probably calling a man a loser (or other invective similarly injurious). In the gay male com…
/r/MensRights09/07/20 07:59 AM
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Indeed - the problem is NOT that there are people out there who say nasty things. The problem only comes up when we systematically give them high-profile platforms and when they are not even questioned, save for in a few comments (some of which are moderated away). There are only a few groups that we treat in this way: say criminals, investment bankers, corrupt lobbyists - but that is because of things they or many in their group have done.
/r/MensRights08/07/20 02:13 PM
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No problem. But I was not being facetious: try Jezebel (wrapping it a bit diplomatically) and see what people say.
/r/MensRights08/07/20 02:09 PM
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The Trump comment is indeed a case of the borderline I had in mind (though, to be clear, he was not talking about outright assault, but about the scope of action he had as a rich, high-profile man). At any rate, I think the hype around locker room talk is far overrated. Even the ones who say crude things have enough sense not to say them in inappropriate contexts, nor to act on them in a way that is harmful or even criminal. Besides, it is important for people to have this kind of outlet where t…
/r/MensRights08/07/20 02:07 PM
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As a rule, ANY subculture is less tolerant than the main stream. Think punks, climate activists, feminists - it takes little disagreement to face ostracisation. This, of course, includes the gay community - which can be pretty dismissive not only of trans people (though this is much less so than before), but of pretty much anyone not deemed attractive or anyone not extroverted enough to participate in the hedonism. If you are short, fat, and poor, being gay is probably even harder than being str…
/r/MensRights08/07/20 02:04 PM
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Few people here, I submit, could be accused of overwheening focus on her consent - including me, as my post clearly referred to the video of the thread, which focused on his consent. So I agree with the problem - but in this case you are preaching to the already converted. Try Jezebel :)
/r/MensRights08/07/20 02:00 PM
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This is probably trolling - but of course the fact that we cannot be sure of that is indicative. Basically, the Freudian notion of the phallus symbol is toxic - toxic in the sense that, while it might have some mild explanatory power at times, once you start thinking about things from that perspective and couple it with (the radical interpretation of the notion of) patriarchy, you see them everywhere, starting with brooms and skyscrapers (though even I admit their phallic nature is pretty striki…
/r/MensRights08/07/20 11:40 AM
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That was pretty much what I was asking. Of course no one would say I would rape a chick, but perhaps at times something borderline. And I am asking because I am interested, not because I want to pass any kind of judgment. What was the most borderline thing you ever heard? About women or gay men?
/r/MensRights08/07/20 10:56 AM
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As a (slightly but not overly) effeminate, and otherwise also non-conforming gay man, I have not really been party to the locker-room talk many feminists are talking about. I know it can be crude sometimes, but can any of you think of instances where it has gone this far? And while you are at it: I remember that, when I grew up, expressing ridicule and outright disgust against gay men was completely acceptable, but that was a few decades ago and I presume it is not anymore, at least not to that …
/r/MensRights08/07/20 09:57 AM
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To be fair, if he does not, verbally or otherwise, say no, and is not too intoxicated to do so, we should not call it rape. Harassment maybe, in some cases. But let us not adopt and hence implicitly condone overly broad definitions of this term. Rape is a violent, universally condemned crime that we as a society put on par with second degree murder - nagging a man (or a woman) into sex should, while in some cases still criminal, be firmly outside of it. Having said that, the discussion in the vi…
/r/MensRights08/07/20 09:55 AM
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Given that children are extremely unlikely to develop Covid symptoms (which is what might make them some of the most active transmitting agents of the disease as grandparents cant help but hug them), I fail to see how her actions were heinous enough to deprive her of her job...
/r/MensRights07/07/20 04:08 PM
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Specifically on the point why men did not respond: it fits slightly with my own perception, although far from always. But overall, men are less likely to react and create trouble in less serious instances such as this one. I might be the exception: I am more likely to react if it is a woman - and less if it is a man, for the simple reason that man-to-man conflicts are much more likely to escalate physically. Perhaps this has to do with the role of women as the... guardians of morality and decoru…
/r/MensRights07/07/20 04:06 PM
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I would have thought there would be quite some overlap between the people who accept the police violence narrative wholesale with those who aim to believe victims wholesale...?
/r/MensRights07/07/20 01:56 PM
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Apart from this, Norah Vincent, and some Ted Talk, and given the rise to prominence of transexualism, why on earth are we not hearing more stories like this (in both directions, and reaching any type of conclusion)?
/r/MensRights07/07/20 01:55 PM
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They are the opposite of liberals in the original sense - free, competitive markets, open immigration, social permissiveness. But they support a strong, interventionist, redistributive state. I AM liberal in the original sense - I think we need immigration. Even anti immigration right wingers in the US would not dispute the historical net positive effect of US immigration, and I think Americans should be proud of their world-beating ability to integrate them, with second generation Moslems doing…
/r/MensRights03/07/20 01:56 PM
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If what you claim is true (which I do not have the knowledge or fervour to dispute), then the next question is why insurance companies are not piling into the obvious market opportunity of offering lower rates than now to men for car insurance? I remember studying in the US paying what for me as a student was almost as much as I paid for sharing an apartment to insure my car (liability only) - and I drive with downright pathological caution... Health insurance: too complex a topic, too overregul…
/r/MensRights03/07/20 01:50 PM
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No, but please let me know how I can make money like this :)
/r/MensRights02/07/20 02:59 PM
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Actually the party is pretty much democratic socialist combined with a Dystopian view of immigration and an insistence that the country remove licensing restrictions so that immigrants can integrate into the labour market. Our right wing is more liberal, free-market oriented. The old dividing lines do not work anymore. Hard to even pin down what about Trump is conservative (and what about feminism that is progressive).
/r/MensRights02/07/20 02:58 PM
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The source is right-wing, populist, and tied to the Sweden Democrats, a party with roots in the neo-Nazi movement (albeit it is much more moderate nowadays), so we should take what they say with a grain of salt. But the statistics seem correct and credible. Importantly, though, I think the main issue is not that we should punish women more on average, but that we need better, more lenient ways to treat criminals, especially non-violent ones, overall. Treat men more like women, instead of the oth…
/r/MensRights02/07/20 12:44 PM
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I wonder what you are thinking about there (though there is no doubt that it happens). But I think even the discussion of the 1% is misleading. Globally, 20% of the US population is in the top 1% of the world, including people like specialised nurses. We are talking about the top 0.1% - starting with, say, US surgeons and going all the way up to Bill Gates. I was also wondering where else we see the apex fallacy? In which other realm do we fall prey to it? For instance, when I visit the US, I se…
/r/MensRights02/07/20 10:53 AM
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I think typically the argument is that girls are more conscientious. Not completely untrue, of course, but we would never use that argument to dismiss, say, outcome disparities for disadvantaged minorities. Besides, the argument smacks of the strawman version progressives use to dismiss libertarians: blaming people for their own misfortunes. How on earth is this anywhere near the progressive camp in the first place?
/r/MensRights01/07/20 04:59 PM
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Its a bit like saying there is no need to address poverty among humans, because the top 0.1% of humans are ridiculously wealthy...
/r/MensRights01/07/20 04:56 PM
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He is such a fascinating character. I loved the debate with Slavoj Zizek, a self-avowed communist (though I think more for contrarian reasons than ideological conviction). He is this unique mixture of liberalism, traditionalism, bizarre Jungian mysticism, self-help pop psychology (with little nuance compared to his academic work), and refreshing personal honesty. Even more fascinating is that he appears to have risen to fame in spite of himself: he is clearly an introvert struggling with the con…
/r/MensRights01/07/20 03:14 PM
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It is a classic phenomenon, one I experienced myself (well, it has been a few years). Sometimes this might be a weird obsession with converting a gay man. Most often, however, I have the sense that women feel that it is liberating to be sexually "aggressive" in a way that they could not be, for fear of slutshaming and even assault, with straight men. It is constraining to play different versions of hard to get, and to constantly have to deal with the misinterpretations of the dating game. That d…
/r/MensRights01/07/20 02:34 PM
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I think these laws have been around for a long time. But of course, India used to be very poor, with even famines as late as the 80s (despite being a relatively fertile country). Men have been supposed to provide as far as they can. This of course made sense in a world where child mortality and the risks of childbearing and disease and warfare made it much more difficult to even survive, let alone ensure that the tribe survives. It makes less and less sense now, but think about it: why should fe…
/r/MensRights01/07/20 08:01 AM
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This is more, I submit, an outgrowth of social conservatism rather than progressivism. In Sweden, often touted as a leading feminist among nations, I have never heard that this is even a broad concern, despite high divorce rates (mostly because wealth differences are not that stark, because almost all women work, because alimony is pretty much non-existent, and custody shared by default). It is a deeply conservative notion that men have the obligation to provide for women that they enter into at…
/r/MensRights30/06/20 02:11 PM
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Wow. I guess I see the points, but much less actually conspiratorial elements. Rather, there are different elements at play. For instance: whenever we perceive an injustice towards girls we try to fix it; not the other way around (except in a few cases). We cannot focus our outrage on more than one or two issues, so we pick climate change and Covid and ignore risks like solar flares (which could end civilisation, but of which few people even know). Psychiatry is, by definition, a science based o…
/r/MensRights30/06/20 02:02 PM
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Really? Is car insurance not the typical case where rates are lower for women (because they drive less and more carefully on average)? The opposite of that is typically health insurance, where market rates for women, even after correcting for pregnancy-related expenditure, are double that of men? In Sweden, they passed a law that, inter alia, prevented hair dressers to charge different prices for men and women. That is of course an issue, as a mens haircut takes only a third of the effort than a…
/r/MensRights30/06/20 11:59 AM
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Ok, pro-genocide is going to far, but I take a milder version of your point. The issue is: I see few politically feasible ways to reform. Any explicit focus on men as a group (rather than, say, child soldiers, almost all of which are boys) is pretty much inconceivable - feminists would rally against and few would openly get behind it, regardless of convictions. It would have to be on the sly. On the upside, we see much, much less desperate needs and destitution out there in the world. The figure…
/r/MensRights29/06/20 04:57 PM
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The lower estimate of 2% is apparently bogus, while the FBI 8% figure refers to allegations that are provably false. The upper estimates refer to cases of retraction or when the falseness or wrongfulness (meaning where no one is outright lying, but where the act itself does not meet the legal definition of wrong-doing) seems more likely than not. Anecdotal evidence from police officers even put the figure at 80%. We will never know for sure, and of course most rapes, especially those with male v…
/r/MensRights29/06/20 04:54 PM
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Not only due process - many an inveterate Nazi kept jobs, with one of them, Kiesinger, becoming chancellor. It was only the student uproar in the late 60s that brought about a substantial, and probably exaggerated, effort to deal with the past (something Germany is still struggling with, in light of the power it has in the EU). That was, of course, partly the only reasonable way for Germany to deal with the challenge of rebuilding their society - after all, a third of the population and most civ…
/r/MensRights29/06/20 04:46 PM
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Fortunately, it is not quite fair to say that the UN is letting hundreds of thousands die of starvation. As a whole, starvation is not by far the problem it was just a few decades ago. The issue is more that, for political reasons, almost all efforts are designed with a gender perspective in mind, which pretty much means protect and empower women first. Where possible, for instance, they channel aid through women on behalf of the entire household, and single men in particular are often left to f…
/r/MensRights29/06/20 04:08 PM
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This is what is bizarre: how on earth do we think that we can solve supply-side problems (lack of women interested in manufacturing guns or programming computers) with demand-side measures (quotas or measures with similar effect)? If we want to combat the opiod epidemic, which sane person would suggest that the solution is to throw users, but not dealers, in jail? Where else are we using this bizarre logic?
/r/MensRights26/06/20 05:28 PM
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It is fascinating, is it not, that there is so little movement on anything resembling a moderate MRM gaining prominence. JP is certainly not an MRA, save perhaps for a few aspects of his philosophy. AVFM and this forum serve, I submit, more as outlets for rage and frustration and as an echo chamber (important, but probably not productive for the broader societal debate). The False Rape society, fathers groups, innocence project have a clearly limited focus. Academics who sympathise react to ince…
/r/MensRights26/06/20 05:25 PM
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Really? That is your experience? Mine is that women are often more likely to show sympathy; men tend to clam up and get uncomfortable. Many, however, react allergically. Conservatives might agree if you put it in a way that fits with their instinct to stick it to the extremes of the left, but will blanche at the mere suggestion that DV against men exists at all, let alone constitutes a systemic issue. Progressives might agree if you talk about the pressures of masculinity, but also blanche if yo…
/r/MensRights26/06/20 05:19 PM
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There are many reasons to sit around and think that life stucks. Starting with our own mortality and insignificance from any larger perspective. But mostly, we deal with it: sometimes by deluding ourselves, mostly with pragmatism and narrowing our focus. This should not be any different. You point to real problems - but we take risks every day and deal with them. Take terrorism and covid. The risk is there, but there is much you can do to minimise it. My impression is that most women who so unco…
/r/MensRights26/06/20 05:13 PM
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So let me get this straight: on the one hand, they want to expand the definition of rape to include anything that falls short of affirmative consent, which is fluid enough potentially to encompass a substantial portion of sexual encounters overall - and on the other claim that all instances of rape of women are by default worse that forcing an autistic boy to have sex with an animal? Even more mind-boggling: to put this in the category of ableism, one which includes things like disabled people h…
/r/MensRights25/06/20 03:51 PM
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It seems downright anachronistic that gender-specific scholarships are condoned at all, as it is a pretty clear-cut example of gender discrimination that we actively combat in much less important areas, such as prices for haircuts (actually a law in Sweden). Sure, some leeway to promote men and women to enter areas where they are blatantly underrepresented, say nursing and nuclear physics, might be ok. But I think the even larger problem is that we are not making sure enough boys qualify for sch…
/r/MensRights25/06/20 03:46 PM
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Seems pretty clear cut, then. What boggles the mind is: if you are going to falsely accuse someone, at least get the basics right...
/r/MensRights25/06/20 11:26 AM
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It would seem to me that math, along perhaps with law, are fields where you would have to work particularly hard to overcome deficiencies in aptitude. My ability is more in verbal and logical reasoning, and I remember clearly how hard I struggled to get an A in calculus, whereas my more gifted classmates often found it downright boring (I got back at them in Spanish class...). From that perspective, this is indeed a striking finding. Grade discrimination and differences in conscientiousness migh…
/r/MensRights25/06/20 11:22 AM
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Well I would add to that some pretty solid findings on differences in inclinations and preferences between men and women. Even many mathematically gifted women choose non-mathematic fields, whereas I would speculate that men who score in the 99th percentile on the math portion of the SATs overwhelmingly head for MINT fields, at times even if they might prefer something else.
/r/MensRights25/06/20 11:18 AM
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I know I will incur the wrath of everyone here, but I just have to say it: I can think of many things much worse than an overbearing come-on from Justin Bieber... He might indeed be a psychopathic predator - impossible to know for sure. But if he has an ounce of reason and empathy in him, the mere thought of resorting to assaulting someone when you have millions of women fawning over you would be the pinnacle of irrationality.
/r/MensRights25/06/20 11:15 AM
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Because ineptitude among men is funny. More broadly, there are many more ways for men to be funny than women, for the simple reason that we see what happens to women as more serious. There are brilliant exceptions, such as Veep and Absolutely fabulous - but they nevertheless remain just that: exceptions.
/r/MensRights25/06/20 11:10 AM
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If the higher rates charged for men is indeed, as you say, a result of misinterpretation of statistics, what is preventing profit-oriented competitors from offering lower rates and capturing market share? In other words, why are they leaving cash on the table?
/r/MensRights25/06/20 11:07 AM
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This is indeed lost in the debate, except here. But another important element that seems COMPLETELY lost is simple: social class. I have not seen any data, but I would think gender and social class are far more important than race (although there is no denying, even from a conservative vantage point, that race is a factor, especially for blacks, Latinos, and Moslems). Has anyone seen studies of this?
/r/MensRights25/06/20 11:02 AM
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What is this referring to?
/r/MensRights25/06/20 10:55 AM
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Interesting - I would expect the effect to be smaller, as there is, in my experience, some truth to the claim that girls under sixteen tend to be on average a bit more conscientious than boys (with the boys catching up in high school and college). But it seems a bit misleading to talk about feminist bias: I think the bias is pretty endemic and has been that way for at least the past half-century, long before the rise of what some call third way feminism (moving from equal rights to victim-centri…
/r/MensRights25/06/20 09:51 AM
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Great news. But is it not striking that, as far as I can remember, all of the people prominently speaking out on behalf of male DV victims (at least of female perpetrators) are... WOMEN. There are some male academics looking into the issue, but I only find them when I look for them, almost never running across them in the mainstream. Why do you think this is? It is even more pronounced than the strong presence of women among prominent MRA advocates overall.
/r/MensRights25/06/20 09:37 AM
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Well, on the face of it, the opposite is the case. Sweden was the first country to propound a feminist foreign policy (albeit with few practical implications and harmed by pictures of female ministers obsequiously covering up when visiting Saudi), and trumpets a range of mildly insane initiatives such as affirmative consent laws, criminalising buying, but not selling sex, gender neutral daycare, and actually outright decreeing a completely new, gender neutral pronoun. There are perhaps two main …
/r/MensRights24/06/20 12:00 PM
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It is pretty hard to understand where the vitriol (although presumably from a small group of loud pundits) is coming from, given that increasing father engagement has formed a pillar of feminist advocacy - one of the few, in fact, that I could get behind. The only thing that comes to mind is that, in countries where engaged fathers are less common, the ones that do walk around with baby prams sometimes receive some cloying adulation - annoying mothers, whose engagement is taken for granted. That…
/r/MensRights24/06/20 09:15 AM
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As I remember, sexual assault cases make up the majority of those freed under the Innocence project. It indeed appears to be by far the crime category most likely to see false convictions (and accusations). In fact, in most cases, there is little firm evidence, so the word of the accuser coupled with light circumstantial evidence is often enough. At the same time, of course, guilty people are also exonerated - unavoidably so. But we have to keep in mind the fundamental precept that we have to pr…
/r/MensRights24/06/20 08:33 AM
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No I do not subscribe to the concept as commonly defined by feminists. I want to appropriate and redefine it. You know, sort of like gays using fag and black people nigger in a way that is slightly ironic but not derogatory.
/r/MensRights23/06/20 04:44 PM
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....which is of course part of what actually IS toxic about masculinity. But the toxicity hurts men individually and as a group more than others.
/r/MensRights23/06/20 03:42 PM
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No no, no violence. Just the tension and weirdness. What I have experienced is nothing in comparison to incidents I have heard about. And taking pictures: that I should not have done, but perhaps as a gay man the thought did not cross my mind at that point. I think that the real damage is that men pretty much systematically tend to police themselves to avoid anything that could conceivable carry even a hint of impropriety. That is downright stifling. You mention that I should not talk to anyone …
/r/MensRights23/06/20 02:39 PM
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It would be one thing if she (?) claimed that the problem of false allegations is exaggerated. I would not agree, but at least that would not be an unreasonable contention. But to imply that people do not suffer from them, period? We have tons of anecdotes, going all the way to false imprisonment, suicide, and even lynchings. As a man, I have never suffered from this - but I have seen much less harmful effects at times. At the San Diego zoo, I saw a girl left alone and said I would help her find…
/r/MensRights23/06/20 09:43 AM
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Did he accidentally touch her? At any rate, she could have just asked him to back off. Though it is hard to judge without the full story...
/r/MensRights22/06/20 04:24 PM
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No contest, of course, on the opinion reflected by the author. As a "liberal" (well, actually libertarian-slightly conservative - but that means centrist Democrat by US standards) European, I find the View fascinating - especially the attraction to it, which I struggle to explain. It is sometimes strikingly shallow, and with a clear, progressive twist. But every once in a while it does a good job of second-guessing progressive dogma. And sometimes Whoppi rants about things in a way that is downr…
/r/MensRights18/06/20 01:40 PM
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I think the gendered differences are pretty much the same in the first world: whatever the extent of our concern about nakedness, it always applies to girls to a much larger extent. Overall, the first world, or at least countries in northern Europe, tend to be a bit more liberal (in Sweden many parents would not think twice about being naked in front of their children). But then again, that is a gross generalisation (I have to say this, because we rich Westerners are taught to correct ourselves …
/r/MensRights17/06/20 03:20 PM
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Does pedophilia not refer to attraction to pre-pubescent children, not teenagers? At any rate, I think it is important to distinguish physical attraction to someone and actually acting on it. Only the latter is criminal, reprehensible, and in many cases downright psychopathic.
/r/MensRights15/06/20 01:00 PM
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What on earth gives them that power over you? I am gay, and there are still radical homophobes out there, but I cannot even take them seriously (apart of course from when they execute men for being gay, but I was thinking more of the God hates fags sign outside churches).
/r/MensRights13/06/20 12:56 PM
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The UN also resolves conflicts, monitors genocide, and has hundreds of thousands of troops in peace-keeping operations. The misandric side you are talking about is relatively minor in comparison. ​ Bathwater, not the baby.
/r/MensRights13/06/20 12:53 PM
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I take the point on world toilet day fully, but we should keep in mind that it addresses one of the leading sources of deadly infectious diseases, especially among the bottom billion. Millions of people die because of improper sanitation. So WTO is about slightly more than celebrating fecal matter.
/r/MensRights13/06/20 12:51 PM
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Women are of course also afraid of harrassment and assault when they meet people on Tinder. The fear is wildly exaggerated, but that is also the case for the fear of false accusations - the risk is tiny if you use number of overall sexual encounters as a denominator. What women do mostly, I think, is simply to watch out and use common sense. They much less meet men only for sex, that is despite the firm conviction that there is no prospect of continuity. This of course creates sort of a rat race…
/r/MensRights13/06/20 12:49 PM
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While it is heartwarming that you appear to care for mens rights, please keep in mind to put your own health and sanity first. There are some crazy people out there, and yes, they often get prominent platforms, but they are a tiny minority that almost anyone, if pressed, disagrees with. There are plenty of women out there who are warm, decent people, even among the ones that superficially may have bought some of the dogma without really thinking about it deeply. I think you need to feel reassure…
/r/MensRights13/06/20 12:43 PM
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Given the ostensible simplicity and attraction of this line of argument and the zealousness of feminists to build these kinds of narratives, I actually find it striking that tweets like this are relatively rare. More often you hear calls for solidarity, on the specious logic that the discrimination gay men face is analogous to that of women because they reflect the lower status of femininity (a bizarre statement, as nothing could be more important in society than fertility). ​ Is there a kernel …
/r/MensRights13/06/20 12:39 PM
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Why is the ridiculous hypothesis that the earnings gap is largely due to systemic discrimination still an issue? It does not even pass the most basic economist sniff test. Even the normally overly progressive Obama DoL conceded as much repeatedly. As far as I know, none of the downright Draconian measures touted to fix the problem, such as salary transparency requirements, have led to any major adjustments - and, anecdotally, many of the salient ones have been to the benefit of men (which stands…
/r/MensRights13/06/20 12:33 PM
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What a tragic case! Still, I think we should be wary of radicalising and overstating the situation. In most cases, there IS accountability for mothers - just less of it than for fathers. I think this is important to keep in mind, lest we make the same mistake that Gore and Thunberg have made on climate change: alienating people by overradicalising the underlying problem. I think part of the underlying problem is the overly vicious nature of divorce conflict in common law systems, especially the …
/r/MensRights12/06/20 08:34 AM
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...and Soviet artists depicting people as anything but young, athletic, and brimming with ideological conviction, were ostracised at best and sent to labour camps at worst. Was this the inspiration?
/r/MensRights11/06/20 03:48 PM
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If they actually refuse to acknowledge any past or present privileges for women, then I submit they are not moderate feminists. Feminist heroes like de Beauvoir and Wollstonecraft noted many of them clearly, even arguing that it was the other side of the privilege coin that were holding them back in other areas outside of traditional femininity. Do you find they acknowledge, say, the top ten MRA issues?
/r/MensRights11/06/20 03:45 PM
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At the moment, feminists see anti-racism as an allied struggle, but overall there is a long history of racism in the womens movement. The earliest suffragettes voiced outrage at the mere thought of giving anyone else the vote but educated, white women. Most of the famous Deep South lynching cases were triggered by accusations, many false, by white women - sometimes only alleged flirting was enough for a violent death. We still see this today, though it is not overt. It should not have been a sur…
/r/MensRights11/06/20 03:42 PM
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Let us see, in which other cases is it to some extent socially acceptable to inveigh against a group. Pedophiles, rapists, and murderers come to mind. Senior Wall Street Bankers. Islamic extremists. Some might say whites and heterosexuals, but I do not find calumny against those groups to be anywhere near the wholesale, hate-filled dismissal that crop up even in serious newspapers against men. So what is the main difference here? These are all groups where societal consensus confers joint culpab…
/r/MensRights11/06/20 03:35 PM
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What I meant was: the post rails against the widespread assumption (especially among gay men, btw) that effeminacy among men is a sign of homosexuality. This carries the slight implication that homosexuality is a bad thing. That was all I wanted to point out. To be fair, though, the assumption is not completely off - just exaggerated. There are pretty strong correlations between sexuality and various types of traits and preferences - although far from perfect ones.
/r/MensRights11/06/20 07:12 AM
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I agree, of course, but the implication that being gay is something bad makes me uncomfortable.
/r/MensRights11/06/20 06:24 AM
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I would qualify that: we do not care much about men as a group, especially not about men as victims. We do, of course, care about men that we know personally. Actual man-haters are, fortunately, relatively rare. But the fact that we do not care about men as a group limits the backlash when they speak out, saying things that would be impossible to say about pretty much any other group (except maybe investment bankers).
/r/MensRights10/06/20 09:35 AM
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In general, we should be highly skeptical of any study where certain results would be politically incorrect, whether on the left or right (just think of right-wing dogmatism as similar in kind to left-wing political correctness - or for that matter religion, defined as beliefs that we hold on to regardless of evidence). The study does not only ignore the examples you point to, but assumes that the right way to deal with Covid is to stamp out the infection completely, such as in New Zealand. That…
/r/MensRights03/06/20 02:06 PM
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To be fair, no serious historian would use such a small sample to reach the conclusion that women, or even female rulers, are more likely to enter into war. But of course it casts into doubt the weird assumption that they are less likely. What we have to remember is that female rulers probably have more in common with rulers overall than with women overall. Same for female CEOs. Their characteristics say little about a whole gender. This is a fundamental precept of the social sciences, so it is …
/r/MensRights03/06/20 09:33 AM
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I am fascinated by what is going on in the US at the moment. To my mind, yes, I am sure there is discrimination going on here. Not by far as much as BLM claims (as activists of all stripes always exaggerate), but still. But I submit that race is not the only factor - in fact, not even the most important one. Here are, ranked by importance, the factors that I think I would take into consideration when caring for my own safety: - Number of people, physical build, and overall situation; - Gender (I…
/r/MensRights03/06/20 09:24 AM
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Do we think that this is, at least in part, due to societal pressure around a (narrow) interpretation of gender equality that has arisen over the past decades? It is an honest question. Anecdotally, I am skeptical that the answer is an unadulterated yes. When I went to school, a thousand years ago (80s, early 90s), we did not use grades (Sweden...), but I remember clearly that the semi-grading system we used (rewards at the end of each month) almost only saw girls come up on top. That was surely…
/r/MensRights02/06/20 09:47 AM
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My personal reality does not suck at all. At least not because I am gay - sure, every once in a while something happens, but I can brush it off, as, I think, straight people can when faced with some silly extremist that few people take seriously inveigh against heterosexuality. Not sure where I claimed that. If my sentences are inflated, it might be because I am not a native speaker and have to think carefully before I formulate something in English. Not sure exactly how to infuse that with reli…
/r/MensRights27/05/20 05:54 PM
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By straight I also meant straight women. My point is merely that your heterosexuality probably can take a little flac. It should be strong enough. The hyperbolic invective does not bother me by far as much as that against men. Besides, in most of the world, it is still perfectly acceptable to express outright discuss against gay men, and some even have capital punishment. Even so, I still think good data and arguments would persuade me to nuance my position. It is not one I think I would cling t…
/r/MensRights27/05/20 12:40 PM
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I would say that, for all the invective (from a limited, marginal group) against heterosexuals, the world is still pretty much geared towards heterosexuality. In contrast, I would dispute the claim that the world is geared towards men. Just to avoid conflating the two issues.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 04:15 PM
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I find that many women do. But of course, if you go through life with the assumption that men are, on average, privileged, you have little incentive to think deeply about it - at least as far as you are not faced with things that happen to men close to you.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 10:14 AM
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Does anyone know of a video of the experiment with genders reversed? ​ What is surprising to me is that this is a surprise. As a gay man, I have not tried it out myself, but her experience is pretty much what I would have expected. This is not, of course, to blame women - I would perhaps act the same way given the incentives involved. But it is striking how little we know about the experiences of the other gender, as we typically interact with each other every day (in contrast, for instance, to …
/r/MensRights22/05/20 09:54 AM
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As a gay man, I have plenty of (benevolent yet entertaining) stereotypes of butch lesbians. That they should not be good at their jobs is not one of them. Unless, of course, you add the epithet "feminist". So what is the target here exactly?
/r/MensRights22/05/20 08:32 AM
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Indeed bizarre that the UN is involved in this. Millions of people are still dying of preventable diseases out there. Strangely enough, I, an MRA, am already pretty much systematically using the terms suggested above and referring to women as Ms. rather than Mrs. Not because I buy into feminist claptrap, but because I believe in basic decency and courtesy. So what and whom, exactly, is UN WOMEN fighting against here? And who in their right mind would use the term husband without being certain th…
/r/MensRights21/05/20 10:37 AM
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There is something decidedly socially conservative about the notion believe all women, even if you interpret that shibboleth liberally (something like women have the right to be heard). Was it not that notion that led to, as Candace Owens claims, pretty much all the unjustified lynchings of young, black men? I think across history we HAVE believed women. And where we have not, other reasons, such as class and race, are to blame. At no point have we been more likely to believe male purported vict…
/r/MensRights21/05/20 10:34 AM
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There was a discussion on the View about this, and I read the piece on MediAte (as I understand from the comments below, an outlet otherwise clearly in the SJW camp). The View ladies almost unilaterally lauded Ronan Farrow. The only voice of relative reason was Whoppi, who, although admitting to her instinct to support Farrow, made it clear that the only way to resolve it is for Farrow to respond in detail to the MediAte piece. I do not think that just because we are MRAs we should jump the gun …
/r/MensRights21/05/20 09:20 AM
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Is that a guess, or is there good, macro-level data on this? I would expect it to be difficult, as it can be very hard to determine cause of death in many cases with severe pre-existing conditions. Sweden appears to be counting them meticulously and have a 10% death rate compared to confirmed cases, whereas Russia has only 2% - presumably because they are not counting patients in hospices for cancer that succumb to Covid, but only clear cases of premature deaths.
/r/MensRights21/05/20 08:30 AM
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What would US politics be WITHOUT double standards, I wonder...
/r/MensRights21/05/20 08:28 AM
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I do not think any college is thinking about sacrificing the cash cows. That is not the issue as much as the basic principle that athletic activities should be available at appropriate levels to those interested, regardless of gender. If that works out to more womens track teams than mens, so be it. Is there womens (American) football in the US? Never heard of it...
/r/MensRights21/05/20 08:27 AM
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From the little I can observe, MOST of the MRA voices that have gained credence and mainstream exposure are women. It is much easier to ridicule the guy from the Justice for Men party than it is Cassie Jaye - independent of the quality of their arguments. Sad - but nonetheless true.
/r/MensRights20/05/20 04:16 PM
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I get the intent of quotas, and I am even willing to condone them in some cases. There are very few male nurses and female astrophycisists - it makes sense to give a vastly underrepresented sex a leg up in extreme cases. No one likes a single-sex work environment, and there are good reasons to believe they are less productive. The problem here, however, is that the intent behind quotas have been completely lost. They are not even trying to argue that they are making up for discrimination (at lea…
/r/MensRights20/05/20 04:14 PM
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Wonder if they would do the same for... epidemiologists... in the current situation...
/r/MensRights20/05/20 04:10 PM
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This is a problem only if the interest among men outstrips supply at a much higher rate than for women. Which may well be the case. BTW, interesting tidbit: the gay sports alliance in Cologne, Germany, has 10 volleyball teams and 1 soccer team. The same rate for straight men and lesbian women: the reverse. You could not make it up...
/r/MensRights20/05/20 04:09 PM
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I read 3 to 1. But at any rate, that is the gross rate. Consider this: assuming that the largest risk group are people over 80, we then have to consider that something like 80% of people over 80 are women. Arithmetically, this would take the risk for men to something like 1 in 10. This is far above regular higher risks for men when exposed to infectious diseases, which is something like 2 to 1 (whereas women are 3 to 1 more susceptible to autoimmune disorders). Any truth to this? Did anyone do t…
/r/MensRights20/05/20 04:07 PM
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So how is more due process NOT aligned with the goal "to defend and preserve individual rights and liberties"? It all seems backwards to me. Sorry if I am being obtuse here. I am from Europe, where we love moderate socialism but still would never allow universities to adjudicate serious offences.
/r/MensRights16/05/20 08:41 AM
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I guess I was referring to the more distant past. Was it not ACLU that stood up against overzealous prosecution and even lynchings of poor, young, black men? Or am I getting that mixed up? I also read somewhere not only that black men are disproportionately represented among those put in front of campus tribunals, whether rightly or wrongly so, but that socioeconomically disadvantaged students overall were also disproportionately likely. So even if we concede that ACLU is engage in progressive a…
/r/MensRights16/05/20 08:39 AM
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I understood ACLU was at the forefront of ensuring due process rights for poor, African American accused. And I also remember that blacks were disproportionately represented among students accused of sexual assault under the Title XI provisions. So how exactly does the thinking go here? Especially at a time when, prompted by the accusations against Biden, the left-wing media is openly speaking out against some of the more Draconian measures to combat campus rape.
/r/MensRights15/05/20 03:15 PM
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The problem, of course, is that we already tripled global liquidity (quantity of money) after the financial crisis. With the real economic consequences conceivably worse this time around, we can expect at least another doubling - giving us six times as much money as in 2006, where we already had a bubble, plus an equal growth in indebtedness. At some point, we have to go through a financial crisis as well - be it government debt defaults, rampant inflation. Add to that the fact that for most int…
/r/MensRights13/05/20 11:57 AM
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Think about how terrible even a few percent less men would be for heterosexual women, at least in the dating market. After World War II here in Europe, where a substantial portion of marriage age men had been killed, women had to bend over backwards to get any of the ones left over. Conversely, as a result of the China one-child policy (incentivising couples whose first child was a boy to only have one child, as only boys can be expected to provide for their parents when they get older), 20-30 y…
/r/MensRights12/05/20 03:05 PM
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We have to remember that the main reason we use the term mens rights in the first place, at least from my perspective, is that they enjoy such scant systematic consideration in society overall, let alone in that ominous movement that lays claim to the banner of gender equality. ​ If you want equal treatment (or at least something close to it) for both genders, and you bring some of the insights and perspectives discussed here, then where else do you go? ​ But of course, some here are indeed taki…
/r/MensRights12/05/20 02:55 PM
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Bizarre, but of course nothing unexpected. Though just to be clear: my objection is to the overweening focus on women, not on children. But you know who IS overlooked, much more than women and men? Poor, especially desperately poor, people. I find it amazing how the rich world decided to simply shut the economy down, when it is the most vulnerable in our society with low-paying, precarious jobs in the service sector that will suffer the most. Much, much more disproportionately so than from the h…
/r/MensRights12/05/20 10:49 AM
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Of course, if you are in a position of authority, you have to be more careful about what you say and how you say it than people in general. The question is: how much more careful. There are, of course, many things I could say that are offensive but nevertheless enjoy scientific support. Larry Summers was a bit gauche, to be fair, in what he said and the context in which he said it. The issue is: we are nowhere close to enforcing this level of strictness across the board. Not that I would support…
/r/MensRights08/05/20 08:18 AM
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Perfect timing... You would have thought he would have had the sense to keep mum about these issues over the next months.
/r/MensRights07/05/20 10:55 AM
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You have to give it to her: she was spot on...
/r/MensRights07/05/20 10:53 AM
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Not even the Nazis initially wanted to actually exterminate Jews (homosexuals yes), but rather that they should have their own country and not mix with Aryans. What is amazing about this is not as much that there is someone who thinks something like this (there are many crackpots out there), but that someone is able to vent such views as a tenured professor without facing immediate backlash. Most feminists of course would not agree, but it certainly seems they are letting it slide. As Jordan Pet…
/r/MensRights07/05/20 10:52 AM
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A perspective from Europe. The hypocrisy is, of course, startling. Not that the other side can wash its hands in holy water, as it were. But still. But how is this reasonably going to play out? The ones that strongly support the Dear Colleague-style tough line on sexual assault will almost inevitably see Biden as the lesser of two evils and, albeit begrudgingly, have to support him. Now that even Warren, who helped oust Franken based on, to my mind, scanter evidence, has joined these ranks, then…
/r/MensRights06/05/20 08:33 AM
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There are over 30.000 homicides a year in Mexico, admittedly one of the highest murder rates in the world. A quarter of the victims are women. How is this a deviation from this trend?
/r/MensRights05/05/20 08:12 AM
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Indeed, though I would put it a bit less... cynically. My hunch is not as much that all feminists are insidious hypocrites rather than that the movement suffers from the contradictions inherent in conflating gender equality with lobbying for women. If I think through everything that feminism got "wrong", I can explain it by referring to this tension. NOW dropping initial demands for shared custody, as womens lib advocates had children and found themselves in a situation where they saw the need f…
/r/MensRights05/05/20 08:06 AM
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I would say it is not as much that we are treating men in general badly as that we are treating low-status men, who are already more likely to get depressed and even commit suicide, worse than we treat low-status women (whom we also treat badly, but because of their status, not their gender). I am less worried about tall, good looking hunks leading companies. They will be just fine, despite Guardian editorials slandering them.
/r/MensRights01/05/20 10:01 AM
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Of course, it is not enough to be male. You also have to look that good with your shirt off...
/r/MensRights30/04/20 01:02 PM
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I would think girls might have much more to gain from appearing to attempt suicide in terms of the compassion and support they are likely to get, or think they would get. When men, at least men over 30, cry for help, we are much less likely to listen. If men had these options, they might "attempt" suicide more often (attempt in quotation marks, because if you did want to kill yourself, you would pick a method that works).
/r/MensRights30/04/20 01:00 PM
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I think much of what, at first sight, appears to be alignment between social conservatism and mens rights stems from two factors: one is a general instinct in the context of increasing political polarisation (in the US at least) to "stick it to the left" where one can, and the other is the mistaken perception that MRA somehow represents a desire to go back to an idealised version of the gender roles of the 50s. Both, I submit, do not hold up to much scrutiny. In fact, the mere act of positing th…
/r/MensRights30/04/20 12:57 PM
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Astonishing, is it not, given that one of the most successful sitcoms of late has been based on the premise that the vice president is basically inconsequential (Veep)... so not sure how a female vice president would not be as much a sign of the secondary status of women than progress. Especially if it results of the benevolent condescension of a man whose track record in his interactions with women is, even by his own admission, patchy at best.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 01:55 PM
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Wait a minute, what about, say, Queens Elizabeth, Isabel, and Catherine? All among the most written about dictators in history... This would be a rarity, not a novelty. Just as an entertaining side note: I am learning Russian, and stumbled upon a Russian documentary series about dictators. They covered the usual suspects: Stalin, Hitler, Noriega, Kadyrov, Mao, Franco, Mussolini, Tito - and, I kid you not, Margaret Thatcher...
/r/MensRights28/04/20 01:52 PM
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Wow. I have to take your word for it. But even if only HALF of that represents the scientific consensus, I find it astonishing that intactivism is still such a marginal phenomenon, whereas even WHO, normally a cautious authority, endorses male circumcision based on flimsy evidence that it reduces HIV transmission (which, by the way, might encourage more risky behaviour that at least cancels out that effect). Or think of the episode of Sex and the city where one of the girls persuaded her boyfrie…
/r/MensRights22/04/20 01:10 PM
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What I find fascinating is the story of the leader of the opposition to this amendment when it was first proposed, Phyllis Shaffley. She openly opposed it on the basis that it would lead to women losing their privileges, such as exemption from the draft, preference in custody, alimony, and early retirement. As far as I understand, there was little opposition from the rest of the conservative establishment. ​ This was the 70s, and it seems like the list of issues that someone like Shaffley has po…
/r/MensRights21/04/20 02:44 PM
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I think it is so bizarre that he is talking about white supremacy here. Not only could he even more easily argue, with the same logic, that homeschooling promotes Jewish and Asian and even Moslem supremacy, as all those groups do better than whites on average in the US. But more importantly, he overlooks the factor that most of the cases he discusses have in common: social class. Had he argued that, I would even concur. If you have widespread homeschooling, then children from socioeconomically a…
/r/MensRights21/04/20 02:21 PM
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Why are we still writing articles about this? Already at junior high, I learned that testosterone dampens the immune system compared to women, so that men are more vulnerable to infectious diseases and women to autoimmune (which also shows up in the empirical data very clearly). How in the world is this not common knowledge? Am I missing something?
/r/MensRights21/04/20 11:05 AM
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Indeed. Would be good to see how it was defined in the study. I assume the spirit is that women are more worried about men falling in love with someone else, with or without sex, whereas for men it is the other way around. Can anyone sharpen this point up a bit? Here is another thought, even more out of thin air: could it be that wives are more concerned with reining in their husbands social lives than men are (at least if the friends of his wife are female... and the wife not bisexual)? I canno…
/r/MensRights21/04/20 08:30 AM
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First of all, I find it insidious to even try to compare the two and insinuate that, for this reason, we need more resources for the former. Second, the comparison seems to be between the worst kinds of FGM and a warped interpretation of MGM. Removing the clitoris is of course much more horrific than male circumcision performed in the correct clinical environment, but most FGM still practiced consists of much less innocuous interventions like symbolic pin pricks. Third, as I understand it, almos…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 02:52 PM
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Indeed, forgetting that we are talking about averages warps many a discussion nowadays on these and other issues... I agree. But one thing came to mind: I read in several places that men are more concerned about sexual cheating, and women more about emotional cheating. Seemed logical when I read it, as it makes sense from an evolutionary perspective: for men, it is important to ensure that offspring is theirs, while for women it is important to ensure the husband continues to love them enough to…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 02:43 PM
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The ostensible presumption here is that women cheat for want of emotional closeness, and men for want of sex. That is of course brutally simplified, but nonetheless not a completely unreasonable assumption. The issue, however, is this: on what grounds can we condemn the latter and not the former, at least not to the same extent? In other words, using the same logic, we would have to blame women for failing to meet their husbands sexual needs just as we would blame men for not meeting their wives…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 01:24 PM
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My intention was not to discuss gay rights per se. The only thing we might disagree on, albeit slightly, is the right to children. For obvious reasons, this is much easier for lesbians, whose privilege in this respect I may envy but which I would not want to curtail. But gay men should be able to adopt and use surrogates to at least the same extent as straight couples. While I recognise empirical findings on the importance of two parents and the like, I think they far from amount to well-founded…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 09:00 AM
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I do not need any kowtowing - in fact I would hate it. Basic respect, right to marriage and children, and freedom from criminal sanctions are plenty. To to be fair apart from leftist silliness I do not see much kowtowing going on in the world overall. Maybe you have visited too many S/M sites recently?
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:54 PM
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My gut instinct is to oppose single-sex schools... for the simple reason that any environment completely dominated by one gender seems to have its pathologies. Even if we do manage to show in a controlled experiment positive effects on academic performance, we also have to control for some of the potential negative effects. Nevertheless, I also stand ready to try it out and to rethink this in light of empirical evidence. Another pathology is the polarisation implicit in the assumption that we ei…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:17 PM
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In theory, a free market (a notion that to me involves property rights, freedom of exchange, and COMPETITIVE markets for good and labour) would necessarily extract a premium from anyone engaging in discrimination based on factors irrelevant to the job at hand. That HAS to be the case to some extent. We also do not need racism to explain what you refer to as exploitation, which I take to mean employing people for hard work at low pay compared to, say the average. We can simply look at the dynamic…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 08:18 AM
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Thanks for clarifying some unfortunate wording on the distribution. You described my mental picture better than I did. The point about boys acting like boys. At face value, this does not mean much - the studious geek is also, in his way, relatively typically masculine. But I take this to mean something along the lines of rough and/or competitive, action-oriented play is undervalued - it makes me think how some less educated men cannot place Belgium on the map but at the same time engages in mult…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 08:04 AM
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In this case, it was of course the existence of market forces and, on average, more or less rational economic actors, that prompted desperate regulatory efforts to maintain the socio-economic relations between races. Funny, that, in an economy that on other metrics counted as downright neoliberal, is it not?
/r/MensRights15/04/20 03:43 PM
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I would say perhaps 30 or 40 years. But I think the driving force is simple. There are more women of average intelligence then men, as more men cluster on the lower and higher distribution. As the education system becomes dumbed down and accessible to more and more of average (statistically, not in the derogatory US sense) intelligence, it stands to reason that, at the margin, most additional entrants are women. Add to that the evidence that women rank higher on conscientousness, and hence are a…
/r/MensRights15/04/20 03:42 PM
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The last thing I want to do is to downplay what you say, but I am absolutely flabbergasted that, as someone working on the frontlines in an ICU, where by some measures the overall workload has doubled because of Covid cases, harassment is on the top of your mind and that you only mention risking your life in a subordinate clause. Why do you think that is? Not meant as criticism, only expressing my sincere surprise as someone who of course has no idea what your line of work is like - but who full…
/r/MensRights15/04/20 08:06 AM
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The good news is: in a market with perfect competition, systematic discrimination is in theory impossible. Of course, no markets are perfect - and market size is especially constrained. But in most cases, the cumulative average effect of this kind of discrimination should not exceed a few percentage points. It might not feel that way anecdotally - I am fully aware of that, and I have in fact myself experienced something similar (refusal rather than higher rent). I spent part of my childhood in a…
/r/MensRights15/04/20 07:59 AM
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The reason we say women and girls (or more often women and children) is simple: we treat women like children. They are infinitely important, but not fully responsible and accountable. EVERYTHING we do to promote women reeks of this. Promoting womens entrepreneurship is the same flavour as promoting the issue among college students. Women on boards? We need younger boards. I think we need to understand this better. For instance, take the trope of why we are talking about violence against women se…
/r/MensRights15/04/20 07:53 AM
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Of course, mathematically, if the average earnings gap is still 80%, this observation necessarily means that the gap is much larger for, say, uneducated, older, rural women. In fact, this is little more than an outgrowth of three global trends: rising inequality and skills premia (exaggerated, but true to some extent), outperformance of women in higher education, and increasing urbanisation - in particular for high-skilled jobs. Put those together, and it is hard to understand why this developme…
/r/MensRights15/04/20 07:49 AM
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Depends on the percentile of the person speaking, I guess.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:00 AM
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As is 99% of the world. Tendency rising...
/r/MensRights09/04/20 04:38 PM
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In this case, her actions seem more like symptomatic of pretty extreme narcissism or borderline disorder rather than sheer stupidity. Narcissists often overlook or underestimate consequences of their actions that are perfectly obvious to most people. Think Trump and Bill Clinton...
/r/MensRights09/04/20 03:09 PM
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...which she, in a feat of remarkable and unadulterated stupidity, she herself created. Which means that had she only played her cards right like most people would be able to, she would have been able to get away with it, save for a few doubtful voices raised in fora like this one.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 02:08 PM
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You are either pathologically paranoid or married to a psychopath. Either way, get out of the relationship for heavens sake. Why dont women think more than one day in the future? Listen to yourself...
/r/MensRights09/04/20 02:07 PM
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I am from Sweden, and I find these figures insane (even after the corrections below). When couples separate here in Sweden, the spouses simply share the growth in assets that took place during the marriage. Alimony is rare, as most women work, and temporary, allowing the non-earning spouse a few years to find his or her bearings. This makes sense, does it not? Anything else with create hypergamic incentives...
/r/MensRights09/04/20 02:04 PM
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The much touted claim of underreporting actually makes sense, especially in cases of lighter physical or psychological violence. But if that is true, it is probably true to a much larger extent for men. In fact, I think men that decide to report anything but more serious violence are the exception. If you look at studies asking anonymous questions about experiencing assault and actual police reports, these assumptions appear to hold. So underreporting is indeed a problem. But for both genders, a…
/r/MensRights09/04/20 02:00 PM
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At the very least, there appear to be few efforts to excuse and "vindicate" her. Perhaps a slight sign of... progress?
/r/MensRights09/04/20 07:05 AM
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What I find most troubling is this: Kavanaugh was a terrible candidate for SCOTUS, but for completely different reasons: his judicial record was strikingly partisan for a body that is supposed to uphold the constitution and ensure some degree of neutrality. It is a dispiriting testament to our times that that argument appealed only to those already convinced, that is most Democrats, and that they resorted to such measures. Not that the right could claim any moral high ground for that matter (Gor…
/r/MensRights09/04/20 06:31 AM
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Well, at least we both agree that the accusations against Kavanaugh were not credible enough to warrant an overturn of his nomination to SCOTUS, whatever that bar is (I would assume significantly below criminal) - and in spite of the fact that there were plenty of other reasons not to nominate an obvious partisan to such a body. The question is, however, if the accusations against Biden meet that standard or not? What do people think?
/r/MensRights08/04/20 08:14 AM
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Fascinating. But not new. Remember Bill? And if they want to beat Trump, they have no other choice but to see what they can do to silence this. Plus to my untrained eye, the accusations seem more credible than those against Kavanaugh (which might have been true as well). On the other hand, it is hard to argue that the conservatives can claim consistently to have taken the high road here either.... What a morass.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 11:57 AM
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First, I am not pushing an agenda, and definitely not a feminist one. I am only trying to invite some reflection. Second, I am not sure why you think I would agree with your pretty basic point about statistics. Rather, I wanted to float the possibility that the manner in which we use statistics, credible or not, might be X-ist. So a few examples: - A feminist that claims, referring to data on violent crime perpetration, that men are the more violent sex, while failing to note, say, that men make…
/r/MensRights07/04/20 11:50 AM
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So, first of all the caveat: academic rights watch is a right wing / libertarian outfit with a perhaps undeserved reputation for sympathies with the Sweden Democrats. Does not mean they are spouting nonsense in a particular case, but does call for a grain of salt. But the study is credible. It is a bit unfortunate that they use female as a noun throughout - we Swedes write English well enough not to need editors, but far from native speakers, which we often forget. But the data I checked hold up…
/r/MensRights07/04/20 09:43 AM
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I am not so sure about that. It could be sexist to harp on a particular average that puts an entire gender or race in a bad light. For instance, I would consider it racist to say that blacks in Africa are stupid even if you could make that claim on the basis of IQ tests (presumably, part of the reason for low performance is bad health - and some would argue, though not convincingly, that tests are inherently Western and hence white (Jewish, or Asian)). Race might be more sensitive than gender, t…
/r/MensRights06/04/20 10:44 AM
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Definitely one of the, say, top five MRA-related memes of the teens. Which begs the question: what are the other four? And what are those for the naughties and nineties?
/r/MensRights03/04/20 12:22 PM
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When I first saw the video, without reading the title of this post, I simply assumed she was an MRA-friendly comedienne... no reason for outrage. On our side, at least.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 12:21 PM
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Sexist yes. But she might have a point... many men do feel uneasy about arguing with women, even in professional situations. Though that probably does not apply to lawyers.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 12:34 PM
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I think the movement has since long weeded out the level-headed people that maybe used to belong to it. If you can call someone as compassionate and soft-spoken as Warren Farrell rape apologists, it is safe to say that even the most moderate dissent would incur flac. It also seems hard to me to be able to take anything close to a neutral look at gender equality and not come to many a conclusion that aligns more with MRM than victim feminism. In fact, I have much more respect for feminists who op…
/r/MensRights02/04/20 10:24 AM
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This is indeed fascinating. The closest thing to misogyny I have seen on this forum, which allegedly attracts their ilk, are emotional overgeneralisations, such as concluding something silly like you cannot trust women citing cases of paternity fraud and the like, or overobsessing about how to record consent to protect yourself. But even that is not misogyny, at least not by far to the extent that Guardian articles justifying hating men are misandrist. In fact, I cannot think of a single instanc…
/r/MensRights02/04/20 09:19 AM
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Interestingly, the only comment above that takes the stance rape is rape appears to be from a feminist (or at least he gets accused of gender feminism in the response). For all our hostility towards feminism, in this case in particular overall societal sentiment seems like a much more important obstacle.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 09:12 AM
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From a reductionist, evolutionary biology perspective, the answer is clear: male on female rape intervenes in the natural selection process, where women have an essential role to play: gene selection. That is why we are hypersensitive about it, and why rape is so often used as a weapon of war (throughout history, at least). That does not make it right, of course. But that was not the question posed.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:32 AM
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Where does this stereotype even come from? Which MRA woman is even remotely like this? Even with a stretch? Karen Straughan? Bettina Arndt? Every negative stereotype has at least a kernel of truth to it, but in this case, I cannot even find that. If anything, I think I would be much more eager to respect a woman speaking out against feminism than a man doing so. Which, of course, has to be some kind of benevolent sexism.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:30 AM
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I think the hate is unjustified, but perfectly understandable. MRA is doing something hyperprogressive - ironic, as they are often lumpted together with extreme conservatism. Never before have we explored the plight of men as a group from a victimhood perspective, and it rubs all of us, not only feminists, the wrong way. A Swedish feminist captured this well. A decade ago, one of Swedens first MRAs gained media prominence. Confronted with his arguments, she finally sighed and said something like…
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:27 AM
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How could anyone possibly think that they were not politically motivated? They must have been even if they were true or partially true. Or was the timing just a coincidence? Thinking about this whole incidence and the obvious manipulative, picture perfect, trembling victimhood of an otherwise accomplished professor, makes me cringe. I was vehemently opposed to Kavanaughs nomination, but because I found him to be far too partisan in his judicial record to hold a position on probably the most impo…
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:17 AM
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First off, let us please not mix apples and oranges and dismiss maternal mortality as a minor issue. Throughout history, it has actually been a leading cause of death. It is much less a problem now, but there are places where rates are still dizzying. But overall, I take the point and it fits my experience. It is not only the funding for explicit, women-only causes, but that pretty much any Western funding "mainstreams" gender equality, meaning that, everything else being equal, if you have to c…
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:09 AM
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First, it is astonishing how any person, let alone an educated one, could honestly believe that the income gap is mostly due to discrimination. How could that possibly pass the sniff test? Second, the article does not go far enough. The implication that an income gap of 7 % could come down to differences in negotiation is ludicrous. Think about it: you first have to correct for ALL occupations where there is little or no room for negotiation, such as pretty much all public sector jobs, union job…
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:01 AM
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I am a gay man, and I grew up a few decades ago when it was fully socially acceptable to express disgust for male homosexuality. We did have oppressive heterosexism in the West until very recently, and we still do in most parts of the world. It is important that we are aware of that. At the same time, we should be proud at the immense progress homosexuals have made. We are even starting to have children at a tangible rate. I still think the mere thought of being against heterosexuality is as loo…
/r/MensRights31/03/20 09:01 AM
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I never claimed that, either. What did I write that made you think that? All I meant was that there might be differences and we need evidence to understand the wide range of situations we now think of as sexual assault much better. I am gay. Growing up, on several occasions, women pressured me into penetrative sex although I clearly did not want to. They used shame and cajoling, driven perhaps by that perennial obsession of being so sexy as to convert a fag. It was unpleasant, yes, and I might b…
/r/MensRights31/03/20 08:27 AM
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My point was that saying that the crimes have the same effect, which is implicit in stating that they are the same, is, to my mind, but an assumption - and that at the same time we have ample anecdotal evidence that it might not hold up. We might find out that women suffer more in some and men more in other circumstances, but we simply do not have a body of empirical evidence at the moment. At any rate, no matter the outcome, it is hard to imagine any other conclusion than that male victims have…
/r/MensRights31/03/20 08:23 AM
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I did not want to argue flat out that there is something wrong with (partially justified but nevertheless one-sided or overweening) negativity per se, apart from the obvious: that it makes you individually less happy. In fact, it has been a force for progress throughout history - far from always, but still. But i do think we should keep in mind that the underlying dynamics are the same as those that spur BLM and (extreme) feminism. We might think the justification exaggerated (BLM) and wildly so…
/r/MensRights31/03/20 08:18 AM
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My point is that we need empirical evidence. We can speculate, of course.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 03:28 PM
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For starters, I would assume that being made to penetrate is different than being forcefully penetrated. Not necessarily better or worse, but at least different. Same for anal and vaginal penetration. I would also assume the dynamics of consent are different, as it is probably easier for a woman to shame or nag her way into sex with a man than the other way around. Again, just hunches. It is bizarre though that, having followed much of the debate as an amateur, I have yet to run across any study…
/r/MensRights30/03/20 11:46 AM
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I think we should treat it as a gendered issues. The dynamics certainly differ depending on the gender of the perpetrator and the victim. I think your objection is against treating it as a unidirectional, male on female issue? Right?
/r/MensRights30/03/20 07:07 AM
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Just an attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff. It IS true that MRM is full of negativity. I see it here in particular. BUT: First of all, to my mind, this negativity blanches in comparison to that of extreme feminism, which seems to reflect the dystopia of the Handmaids Tale (ironically from a life-long feminist who of late has turned into a dissenting voice because of extremism going further than she ever intended). Second, there is a self-selection mechanism going on here. The men (and …
/r/MensRights30/03/20 07:06 AM
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How is this not a conservative, almost reactionary angle? In the US at least, is it not conservatives who are more likely to attribute responsibility for mishaps to the people themselves? Sort of like "poor people are lazy" - still something some conservatives actually say. Why is this coming from the left? Especially as those men who do not take care of themselves are also, I assume, more likely to belong to the less socioeconomically advantaged segments of society? You know, the ones that the …
/r/MensRights26/03/20 10:43 AM
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Several threads on this angle. First and foremost, I do not think this is a surprise by any logic. Feminists in particular and society in general will always and instinctually pay particular attention to how women are affected. Second, this is not bad per se. In fact, some of the points made are indeed valid. The problem is that there is no corresponding effort to look how the other gender is affected, or to look at the whole issue with a gender perspective. Third, we could of course not imagine…
/r/MensRights26/03/20 10:40 AM
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From a Bernard Shaw play, said by a distressed gentleman dragged into a superficial conversation with a woman at a Swiss mountain resort: "As a woman, you have the right to have the last word. Please, have it."
/r/MensRights25/03/20 10:30 AM
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So there :)
/r/MensRights24/03/20 03:43 PM
1

Basement schooled, in fact. Decided to become an incel when I was 5, far before it became a thing. How did you know?
/r/MensRights24/03/20 02:56 PM
1

Wow. Sounds almost like the 50s. I thought this was changing. In South Korea, male beauty products now make up something like 40% of an already sizable total, and around a quarter of plastic surgery interventions (sorry, too lazy to find the source). If I were you, I would just own it. In fact, be proud of it. I know, not so easy at your age... but it gets easier.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 02:54 PM
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I am not sure we can say that this is an issue that hurts men much more than women, at least not based on this data. But there are, it seems, a range of gender-related issues: - Medical: Are there differences in the biological dynamic that leads to obesity between genders? Are the negative health effects different, say among women and men with the same, high BMI? - Social: Are there differences in societal acceptance versus censure of obese men and women? - Drivers: Are the drivers for obesity d…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 10:34 AM
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Even if I read this with the benefit of the doubt, I still do not see the issue. The ones who most avidly perpetuate gender roles are members of the same gender. Think oh what a slut versus man up. Who has forgotten this pretty obvious fact? We cannot blame feminism for that. But we CAN blame feminism for doing quite a bit to drown out voices pointing to, inter alia, male victims of sexual assault and DV.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 09:43 AM
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I am a gay man and hence an outside observer to the straight mating game. I have to say getting the balance right between insouciance and obsequiousness must be pretty hard, and I see my straight male friends making asses of themselves all the time - and then being unable to talk about it. Not that we gay men do not have our own share of dysfunction. In fact, quite the contrary...
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:34 AM
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Perhaps a good way to counter this is to ask: Really? You mean male victims were much more likely to be believed? A video of her trying to wiggle her way out of that one would be high on my wish list... Of course, though, it IS true that we have doubted victims. But to my mind the more important factors have been race and class. Female upper class victim and male, black alleged perpetrator? Barring obvious indications to the contrary, my stereotyped interpretation of recent history is that that …
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:30 AM
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Did we not have a similar feminist discussion recently about the unfairness of long-term alimony, triggered by women ordered to pay it? This is ostensibly ridiculously skewed, but in the end good news. If feminists start combating false accusations, they would be hard pressed to argue it is an issue that mostly affects women and stop the measures from applying to male victims as well. It is of course a valid question why, as far as we know, there are precious few male-female sexual assault accus…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:25 AM
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I am not sure how to respond to that. But just to clarify: I meant the word beta facetiously, having in mind the 95% of men that are not exceptionally intelligent, tall, dashingly handsome, and successful - and the bottom 30% in particular. If that still makes you an alpha, if nothing else because of your scintillating eloquence, then more power to you.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:20 AM
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Long-winded, indeed - but I try to make up for that by thinking through my reasoning. If I would be able to boil things down to tweets, I would undermine the reason I am here in the first place - to have something akin to a nuanced exchange. While I agree with (what I assume is) your sentiment, I disagree with the statement. In a free society, I should be able to provide services of a particular type for a particular target group. How I finance and sustain operations is up to me. I would, howeve…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:17 AM
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When I read this, my first instinct is to tell you and people who feel like you that yes, you are right, but you cannot save the world. Focus on yourself and the people close to you first, then pick something you are passionate about and that you can work on without feeling bogged down by the scale or enormity of a problem. Sorry for the pop (meaning simplified, but valid) psychology up front. It is hard to tell without the perspective of history, which will take a few decades, but I think it is…
/r/MensRights23/03/20 11:40 AM
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Just to be clear here: Alpha males are doing just fine and can take the flac, even if it is unjustified and at times ridiculous. Their swag is intact, as far as I can see, and they are still much more attractive to women than most. I am worried about the betas.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 11:15 AM
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I do not think a woman would hate being a man overall. But in certain situations, sure. If you actively dating. If you are a victim of a violent crime. If you want to take time off to be with your children or join your husband on a stint abroad. I almost added if you have to carry something heavy. But that is a bit silly by now; if anything, we are all moving around too little. Most of you know her, but read Norah Vincents Self Made Man about a lesbian pretending to be a man for a year. Not exac…
/r/MensRights23/03/20 11:12 AM
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Of course, this is only possible to the extent that men agree to pay for dates. If you are working and she is a student, fine, you should, but if not, either do not or do it and take that as a signal not to go on a second one. In fact, I find it pretty bad manners to not even offer or at least pay for drinks and leave the tip - and if you go out with someone with bad manners a second time, that is also your fault. ​ Just a thought.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 11:02 AM
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I am not sure I claimed any of that. It is am empirical question, is it not? And if we are spending more (public) money on female addicts, that would not surprise me. Although I could imagine that female addicts, partly because women are simply better at self-preservation and are more likely to have strong family and friend ties that drive them to take such a step, are more likely to seek treatment - and at earlier stages of the addiction. But that, too - an empirical question. Whatever the mora…
/r/MensRights23/03/20 09:12 AM
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We are of course helping male addicts. But it might well be that the resources spent per case is higher for women. In fact, I would be surprised if that was not the case.
/r/MensRights21/03/20 11:12 AM
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Empathetically does not strike me as the right word. He puts his finger on some of the points, but with a cavalier attitude that seems very traditionally masculine. Sort of "whatya gonna do". That is perhaps why he has gotten away with it without too much flac. In contrast to Warren Farrell, who was openly empathetic and faced calumny as a rape apologist and worse, even when speaking about boys committing suicide. Just a thought.
/r/MensRights21/03/20 11:11 AM
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Depends on what you mean by joining a cause. I have gotten many to seriously second-guess the validity of conservative and feminist tenets (they are pretty much the same), but in my experience the sheer brunt and societal resistance to active campaigning for mens rights is too daunting for almost all people. Including for me. Feminists obsessed with finding evidence of their oppression everywhere are neither happy nor by any logic a good example to follow, REGARDSLESS of whether they are right o…
/r/MensRights20/03/20 11:18 AM
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Indeed. Though, for all his brashness, he is also pretty smart about it. He manages to talk for half an hour about heading up past 125th street as a white Leprechaun without saying something racist, even in our hypersensitive times. He goes further with women and feminists, but somehow managed to stay below the firing line - perhaps because he stays clear of drawing political conclusions (not sure). And he brings out many of the vulnerabilities of the male gender role without slipping into sappy…
/r/MensRights20/03/20 11:14 AM
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Why not just say support for poor families? Or is the implication that they will support single women, but not single men (although single women outearn them?). Or that they will provide meals also for rich families? Support the vulnerable, for heavens sake. If that in some ways means supporting more women than men, so be it. But not because of their gender, but because of their situation.
/r/MensRights20/03/20 11:10 AM
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We do not know if this is taking place while leaving the needs of male addicts, be it through them or other actors, neglected. But it would not be all too suprising if that is the case. It is probably easier to get both public and private funding if you promise to focus your services on women, especially in areas where most of the needy are men as the assumption will then be that, as men dominate, most services in place will be for them and women will be neglected. We know that is not the case, …
/r/MensRights20/03/20 10:37 AM
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I have nothing against single sex addict treatment facilities per se, so I am not sure what the problem is here. Also, is my impression true that, while the problem is still more male than female, the rate of female opioid addicts and overdose cases have risen disproportionately of late, as women are more likely to use opioids to treat even less severe pain - and as they become addicted and they cannot get enough anymore from the doctor, they resort to illegal channels where drugs are often lace…
/r/MensRights19/03/20 11:12 AM
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First of all, you only come to this conclusion if you look at patterns of individual income, not household income. Because low-earning women are more likely to live in a household with other, often higher sources of income compared to low-income men, you would have to conclude that more than half of those at risk are men (NOT that men are at risk, an important distinction). Second, and more importantly, the shut down (not the virus itself, but our reactions to it) do indeed hurt the most vulnera…
/r/MensRights19/03/20 09:39 AM
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Of course, one of the points I think the MRM should make clearer is that our concerns are particularly pronounced among less wealthy, educated, often minority (read socioeconomically less prosperous group) men. From that perspective, it is hard to celebrate this as a mens rights win. Besides, the wives of those high-earning men will benefit as well, if not more as they live longer. Apart from that, I am a liberal. This means that I want a small but highly efficient and, to the extent it engages …
/r/MensRights18/03/20 09:31 AM
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I find you can be at least as open to women as to men. But it depends very much on how you phrase it. If you appear to minimise womens problems, most will react allergically - but if you start with a problem without comparing it to anything, I find most people listen. A good female friend of mine is going through a rough divorce, with her ex husband hurling untrue accusations around. Not the time to raise the issue of how men generally get shafted in divorce cases. For example.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 11:37 AM
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Liking her is more dangerous than the Corona virus. Much more. For most of us, it will just be a cold or a minor flu - being with someone like that would be asking for serious problems.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 11:31 AM
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Amazing, it is not, how extremely traditionalist and heterosexist the assumptions behind this logic are. Men should fend for themselves and their families, and women and children deserve protection and provision. Weak, single men are simply not worthy, and gay men simply do not exist. How on earth is this not the OPPOSITE of progressivism? Of course, in extreme situations, some priorities along these lines may be necessary. But they appear to be going far beyond that. And, as I heard, as men hav…
/r/MensRights17/03/20 11:29 AM
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Quite a difference between finding an issue less important compared to another and saying it should not be recognised... at all. I guess she would support dedicating that day to toilets, then? (same day as World Toilet Day - admittedly also a serious issue and not a job, about sanitation in the developing world).
/r/MensRights17/03/20 11:24 AM
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Indeed. And even your boys. This is because the UN peacekeepers are recruited in countries through national armies with little oversight, as is also natural in horrific conflict situations. It is, in this case, not because of UN neglect. This, bizarrely, means that all UN staff, even in New York, have to go through a long training programme that is calibrated towards uneducated new soldiers in the Central African Republic. Things like: if a woman says no, she does not mean yes. Or HIV is not tra…
/r/MensRights17/03/20 11:19 AM
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Does anyone know the arguments they are using here? I do not mind interventions being gender responsive, but if the starting point is to assume that one gender, the one with the lowest mortality, is much more affected, it is hard to see how they can make this happen.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 11:14 AM
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The UN does not give any aid, member states do through extrabudgetary contributions tied to specific activities. The exception is disaster relief and humanitarian aid, where there is a standing joint fund - and there, yes, everything else being equal, women in need are typically prioritised. However, almost all donor-funded projects nowadays have some kind of gender mainstreaming. Much of it is innocuous and a formality, but some is indeed highly sexist. But we also have to keep in mind that the…
/r/MensRights17/03/20 11:12 AM
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Exchange patriarchy with, say, socially imposed gender roles, and I would even agree. What makes feminism toxic is not their opposition to traditionalism, but the weird, uncomfortable marriage of this with the instinct to lobby for women. I have thought through everything I dislike about feminism and seen that this element could explain every point of divergence.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 08:24 AM
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A company does not believe in anything. It is their managers who think that saying this is good for their image and for business. In other words, the people that are neutral or positive because of this message outnumber the ones that are offended enough by it to reconsider their brand decisions. And that, unfortunately, is not wholly unreasonable.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 07:56 AM
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In fact, I do not know many straight men (and not all to many gay ones) who would even notice. I mean unless we are talking Lady Gaga-style extravagance. But, in an effort to steer the discussion away from insipid ridicule of feminist antics, is there a point here? Is it a boon or a bane that we mostly have to wear anonymous suits while women have to vary? On the one hand, it makes our lives simpler; on the other, more constrained - and hot in the summer.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 07:54 AM
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Not sure whom you are responding to here. I do not think anyone is seriously calling that rape. But my country, Sweden, also outlaws paying for, rather than selling, sex. Add to the dinner a few presents or a promise to help out financially, and it is hard to see exactly where the dividing line goes and how it would not be abused. I think the law is as ridiculous as it would be to make it legal to sell heroin but punish the buyers, especially as it forced prostitution underground and put everyon…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 07:42 AM
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We are now looking at 90% world penetration of smart phones, with new smart phones available for much less than 100 USD. Subscription rates are coming down quickly, although expensive monopolies still reign supreme in many countries. But it is only a matter of time before this becomes a commodity available to almost everyone. The whole discussion of the digital divide appears stuck in the early 2000s. We should still do something to close it and create functioning markets, but the topic is widel…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 07:38 AM
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I cannot remember where I read that figure, but of late, checking for that sleight of hand would have been my first instinct. So I can only speculate that the figure referred to all categories of rape and sexual assault. But I simply could not find conviction rates for the US on google and gave up after five minutes (amazing how todays culture erodes your patience), so I look forward to being corrected by those with more patience or internet search nous. At any rate, my original point still stan…
/r/MensRights13/03/20 04:16 PM
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As far as I understand, lack of consent can also result from coercion. If I threaten to send goons to kill your family if you do not sleep with me, we would all consider that rape. The question is, where exactly is the dividing line, and would applying it be fair in all cases. Losing your job can be vital for some people; less so of course for aspiring actresses. So I am not arguing one way or other yet - for the simple reason that the more I think about it, the more complex I find the issue to …
/r/MensRights13/03/20 03:48 PM
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People react to incentives. That is a basic paradigm of economics.... and common sense. If there was an exam, and we told students that the questions are available on the internet, that they should not look at those in advance, but that we would not be able to know if they did so or not, who on earth would not expect at least some students to have a look? The same goes for divorce proceedings in the Anglo Saxon sphere, where much is at stake. Peeking at exam questions is pretty much the equivale…
/r/MensRights13/03/20 03:24 PM
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Where do we draw the line? Suck me off or you will lose your job? Not get a job? Get a job? Is it enough to imply this, or do you have to say it? Actually pretty hard to tell, if you think about it. In other words, hard to square righteous moral condemnation of his behaviour with legal principles that would work across the board.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 03:10 PM
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I think the problem is not as much that men will not be believed, as that they will not be taken seriously or even ridiculed... or congratulated (at least if the perpetrator was an attractive woman). But an even larger reason that men not come forward is the psychology of even perceiving oneself as a victim in the first place. I know I would not even consider this option.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 02:31 PM
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Could it be that that figure refers to an estimate of all instances of sexual assault, including unreported ones?
/r/MensRights13/03/20 02:27 PM
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I checked (not so easy to find; you have to scroll through pages of estimates of unreported rates). Turns out it is about 120 k of reported first degree sexual assault cases. Could not find the corresponding conviction rate, but typically it is less than 20%. So I probably remember a figure that included less severe cases of sexual assault. Still, my point remains. There are so many more horrific cases out there than Ansari or even Weinstein that we do not hear about. That is particularly bizarr…
/r/MensRights13/03/20 01:36 PM
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Or not a privileged star at all? I am still struck by this figure: 100 k convicted rapists every year in the US alone. Several times more that were not convicted at all. Meanwhile, we concentrate all our attention on the fate of the victims of Weinstein, all of which count among the most privileged segments in the world. So yes, this might be unfair - but from a larger perspective, it is a bizarre place to start by any logic.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 12:21 PM
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Feels a bit like pointing to Al Gores private jets to justify wholesale opposition to climate change action, but nevertheless, I enjoyed the visual irony :)
/r/MensRights13/03/20 12:17 PM
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Whats a simp? Greetings from the small coterie of non-native speakers...
/r/MensRights13/03/20 09:39 AM
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I read a book recently that pretty much any attribution of inventions to a single person is arbitrary and misleading at best. Including, say, the light bulb and the pasteuriser. For pretty much analogous reasons...
/r/MensRights13/03/20 09:38 AM
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From where I am sitting, the internet is working beautifully for, within the foreseeable future, pretty much everyone. Whatever my inclinations are, I can find something that fits and ignore much of the rest. I honestly do not see what the real problem is, let alone what a solution to those might be that do not end up creating more harm than good. And hard to see how this line of reasoning is in any way empowering for women - or anyone for that matter. I am woman, hear me roar - but as long as n…
/r/MensRights13/03/20 09:37 AM
2

The only reason I even know the name Billy Eilish was because I watched the Bond trailer...
/r/MensRights12/03/20 12:56 PM
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Honestly, I could not make sense of any of those sentences :) I am probably too old.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 12:50 PM
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Indeed (just to clarify: I think you mean that the perpetrators are mostly of the same gender, for which I think the evidence is pretty clear). My even larger concern is that how on earth are we going to help women make the most of the internet if we at the same time portray them as helpless victims? Starting with female presidential candidates, for heavens sake: are we seriously supposed to believe that a woman who felt threatened by a dunce like Trump, who she trumps intellectually by a wide m…
/r/MensRights12/03/20 12:41 PM
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I thought about this this way. First, just like, say, capitalism, the internet is mostly a boon - but also in many cases a bane. So yes, just like we try to mitigate some of the downsides of capitalism by, for instance, modest redistribution to make sure no one has to suffer dire poverty, we need some measures to mitigate the downside of the internet. And just like with intervening in the free market, none of those measures are free. in fact, many create distortions and unintended consequences w…
/r/MensRights12/03/20 12:36 PM
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Exactly. But: CEOs: more in service industry, smaller companies; Doctors: more into GP, dermatology and psychiatry than neurosurgery; Engineers: more into biological engineering and laboratory work than leading petroleum exploration missions on open sea. So what is the issue? The answer is obvious. Get women to go into petroleum engineering and neurosurgery. No reasonable person is opposed to that, right?
/r/MensRights12/03/20 11:51 AM
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Indeed. Let us think about why this is. I, for one, struggle to even come up with suggestions that capture what we are about without at the same time running the risk of appearing divisive or even misogynist (appearing, not being). How, for instance, can you react to the celebrity who delivered an impassioned message about how women and girls suffer most from violence, poverty, and the education gap? All claims were patently false as stated, but how can we respond to that in an effective way? Tr…
/r/MensRights11/03/20 12:46 PM
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Now I am thoroughly confused. You appear to be arguing with me, yet you pretty much repeat my point, albeit in much more extreme language. I am not sure what to do. Point out that interpreting the 93% figure like that is not the whole picture and trigger a side discussion about that? Unfortunately, I suffer from a downright pathological inability to do something that silly with a straight face.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 09:26 AM
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I had assumed the discussion was about what, if any, speech should be legally sanctionable. In general, I think the bar should be very high, such as clearly instigating or condoning violence, for both misogyny and -andry. It is, of course, a separate point whether hatred for a group of people serves as a clear motive in a case of physical assault or even homicide. That is a good question. In the stereotypical case of a skinhead beating a new migrant to death, I would say yes - that is an aggrava…
/r/MensRights11/03/20 09:24 AM
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And I think something like 90% of people sleeping rough.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 05:16 PM
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The claims about violence and schools are, on the aggregate, clearly outright false. The claims about poverty stem in part from data on personal, rather than household, income. The hunger claim I do not know about, but pretty much all the hunger programmes I know about prioritise women and children across the board. ​ Still, all of the above are urgent issues. But for all people still living in poverty. This only serves to sidetrack and polarise a vital debate.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 05:15 PM
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I would even submit she would be a much stronger candidate had it not been for her constant harping about her victim status as a woman and, bizarrely, one fraction Native American. But even a staid, reasonable Klobuchar fell victim to this temptation to some extent. Here is hoping Democrat women will learn from this...
/r/MensRights10/03/20 05:12 PM
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How about a bill that outlaws extreme hatred of any gender? Is that not even an option?
/r/MensRights10/03/20 05:08 PM
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Bizarre. For all my hatred of David Duke, I do not think even he would be capable of celebrating a disease that killed more African Americans than whites. How could anyone, including feminists, condone such a hateful post?
/r/MensRights10/03/20 05:07 PM
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I agree that misandry, defined analogously, should be a hate crime and did not say anything to the contrary. I am less sure how to respond to the assertion that I do not care about 50% of the population. Perhaps you confused my post with another one?
/r/MensRights10/03/20 04:50 PM
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Besides, would it not make sense that MRAs, with inordinate and poorly justified burdens on non-custodial fathers as one of the main concerns, would have, at the very least, no objection to a liberal abortion regime? Or is anyone here pro-life out of MRA concerns rather than traditional conservatism overall? That is an honest, not a rhetorical, question.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 11:09 AM
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Would love to see what you come up with. First, I would have a look at trends in media reporting about male victims of DV. There has, I think, been quite a bit more than before of late (but this may be only an impression and a result of selection bias). There is probably more attention, but what is more interesting is why, and exactly how things are changing. Why are we seeing more discussion of the issue, including sympathetic portrayals, but still relatively little discussion of the macro pict…
/r/MensRights09/03/20 11:07 AM
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I am all for classifying misogyny as a hate crime. Spreading hate against 50% of the population should not be legal. That is not the issue. The problem lies more in how misogyny is defined. It is sometimes used to denote, basically, sexism - and sometimes goes even further than that to denote inferred attitudes that border on a traditional stance on gender roles. Basically: saying all women lie about rape should not be legal. Speaking out against false accusation should be. We need to push for g…
/r/MensRights09/03/20 10:58 AM
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Two things specifically are baffling. First, the corollary to abortion would be legal paternal surrender, where men who get women pregnant have the option of surrendering or taking on both the rights and obligations of parenthood. As far as I know, we do not have anything like that anywhere in the world - what comes closest are Scandinavian countries, where child support is relatively rare and very modest and strictly tied to income (so at worst a few 100 dollars per month for a median-wage man)…
/r/MensRights09/03/20 10:50 AM
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The way the survey was done, I would be surprised if you found even 1% of either gender not biased (the survey appears to count any bias on any of the issues as symptomatic of bias overall, so get one of the "wrong" and, voila).
/r/MensRights09/03/20 08:08 AM
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I think in general, if you reframe the issue a bit from sexism towards mainly women to adherence to and upholding of traditional gender roles, you will find that it is your own gender who is most active at policing and upholding traditional norms. Men are responsible for most homophobia against gay men; and women for most of the slutshaming. To take but two proxies. The only way you could make men more responsible is by combining this with the fact that most of those in power are men. But first,…
/r/MensRights09/03/20 08:06 AM
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Based only on the questions, this seems to be why the approach would yield surprisingly high results: - Women have the same rights: This might easily be misunderstood, either as observation of the state of play today (where many might disagree), or as a formulation of a problem (where you only agree if you think they are unequal at the moment). In this sense, the question seems bizarrely formulated. - Educational: Same here; plus in many countries, where access to education is harder to come by,…
/r/MensRights09/03/20 08:03 AM
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Aha. UNDP. They are definitely jaundiced, but that would not go as far as resorting to outright false results. Let us know what you come up with. They group Europe with Central Asia because that is one of the official UN regions attached to the regional commissions. A bit gauche, I admit.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 05:07 PM
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I was not endorsing the article. In fact, I think it is wrong in major ways and was inviting people to comment on why that is the case. For instance, I simply cannot imagine that anyone would think it is ok for a husband to hit his wife, not even in, say, Somalia - so the question is, how on earth could anyone arrive at such findings? On Sweden, I have no clue without seeing the exact data points. There might be some backlash, but if so against extreme feminism rather than, say, skepticism about…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 05:03 PM
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I would consider myself a moderate MRA; but the conclusion you draw is fascinating in its own right - and I am far too lazy to try to convince you anyway and prefer to focus on the issues. My question was what exactly was wrong with the analysis to come to such conclusions.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 04:59 PM
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Some of the stats, like 27% thinking it is ok for husbands to beat their wives, simply cannot be true. What is wrong here? What do you have to do to get such results? If even half of this were true, I would convert to feminism immediately.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 04:23 PM
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Would this figure include social transfers?
/r/MensRights06/03/20 09:26 AM
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I actually agree that women should only be sent to prison in those circumstances. What I disagree with is the implication that that should not apply to men as well. Michael Moore did a silly (as is his wont - funny at times, but nothing anyone but the most converted take seriously) documentary a few years back that included visiting a Norwegian detention facility. It was located next to a stunning fjord, and detainees were free to move about - and even, I kid you not, get medical degrees. That w…
/r/MensRights04/03/20 01:03 PM
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I am sure women get out of tickets more than men on average, everything else being equal. But do we have any stats on this? How many women are pulled over and then fined compared to men?
/r/MensRights02/03/20 12:20 PM
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I thought a little bit about this. We, including women, have little problem per se with the weirdness of a Sheldon Cooper. His quirks are cute, but non-threatening. On the other hand, Michito (the forensic analyst from the TV series Dexter - cant think of the exact name) combines an obsession with gory details, kinky sex, and a constant grin that understandably creeps some people out, at least at first and until you find out that he is basically innocuous. So it is not that black and white. I am…
/r/MensRights02/03/20 12:18 PM
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I think I read several times that in general women have stronger ability to combat viral infections than men. This makes sense evolutionarily, as they are the key links in the reproductive chain and individual men mattered less. As a result, more men die of infectious disease overall, including influenza strains like covid. Perhaps some differences in hygiene might add to this, as might the simple fact that men spend much more time outside the home and even travelling, mostly for work. And, of c…
/r/MensRights02/03/20 12:10 PM
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Oh, ok. that came from a youtube video interpreting all the references, not from any judgment of my own as I am woefully ignorant about pretty much anything besides jazz...
/r/MensRights28/02/20 05:23 PM
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First of all, kudos for taking on such a hard but essential job. I could not imagine spending my day seeing people suffer and even die in front of your eyes or being badgered by drug seekers or constantly worrying about contagion. In my eyes, ER nurses are underappreciated, underpaid (in most places at least) heroes. And even more kudos for taking such a job as a man.
/r/MensRights28/02/20 02:29 PM
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She is, as is her wont, making fun of her exes here. Actually the video is well made and some of the humour spot-on, but it is pretty hard to tell because of the blatant misandry. What strikes me, apart from the fact that she is one of the most privileged people on the planet and is complaining about oppression, is that SHE was the one who picked those men she is making fun of. Does she not carry even the slightest hint of responsibility for that? 99% of the men I do not know do not act like tha…
/r/MensRights28/02/20 02:24 PM
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Taylor Swift. I find her fascinating - her image, videos, rise to fame despite a relatively mediocre voice (sort of like Madonna and Britney). I know she was mocking her boyfriends as much as tapping into clicheed misandry, and I cannot deny some of the artistic elements of the video. But the blatant misandry kept me from even finishing watching. What I find the most bizarre is this: Is Taylor Swift, one of the most successful pop artists in the world, seriously claiming that she would have achi…
/r/MensRights28/02/20 12:41 PM
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Listen, I do not know enough of the details - nor do I actually care to. But to me, it seems like he pretty ruthlessly exploited the advantages he had as a rich, influential man. Morally reprehensible - obviously. Harassment - maybe, in some of the cases. Sexual assault - no. So maybe this judgment erred on the side of the accusers. That would not be surprising, given the hype surrounding the trial. But only maybe - when even Fox News supports the verdict, there was at least something to it. How…
/r/MensRights28/02/20 12:34 PM
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Well, see it this way. Lets assume you just loove to rape women. One a week. But you are also bizarrely rational about it and want to stay out of prison. What do you do? You put on your charms, get a date to your place, give her flowers, and butter her up until she consents. Then you turn off the recording, tie her to the bed, and perform horrific acts on her, making sure there are no physical marks. She reports you, and you triumphantly play the recording and get off scot-free. I agree that is …
/r/MensRights28/02/20 12:28 PM
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See my comment above. If a man does something bad just because he is a man, does that not absolve him? Are lions guilty of brutal murders of gazelles? The questions are not rhetorical. I am actually trying to understand.
/r/MensRights28/02/20 12:21 PM
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Seems to me blaming it on toxic masculinity almost absolves him more than most motives. That, and rape culture. If both are indeed as prevalent as claimed, there is only so much individuals can do to resist - and hence to hold them fully accountable for actions stemming from those phenomena would seem like downright medieval penalism. In other words, we now have the left, long an advocate for leniency in the criminal justice system (which I support btw), calling for such a, to say the least, rea…
/r/MensRights28/02/20 12:20 PM
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I also read that such records are not sufficient in many cases, and in some may constitute a crime in itself. In this environment, I think the best advise is simply to pick your partners carefully. A person inclined to make false accusations is in most cases a disturbed person in other respects. Watch out for the signals, for heavens sake. I have seen my straight male friends sleep with women with obvious personality disorders just because of their beauty and the male imperative to grab any oppo…
/r/MensRights27/02/20 07:19 PM
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Wait was he not acquitted on the rape charges and convicted on less serious harassment charges? The verdict does not seem completely unreasonable to me. Am I missing something?
/r/MensRights27/02/20 07:12 PM
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With the taping of interactions being pretty much the standard, the sheer stupidity of such a stunt is mind-boggling...
/r/MensRights27/02/20 07:02 PM
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Although I disagree with Tucker about.... pretty much everything else... this is a pleasure to watch. Though I see a clear risk that mens issues overall gets further dismissed as the kind of right-wing, stick it to the left corner that Tucker typically occupies.
/r/MensRights27/02/20 05:47 PM
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What is wrong with a police officer including motive into the investigation...? Anything else would be negligent. Am I missing something?
/r/MensRights27/02/20 05:31 PM
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So let me try to explain someone could reasonably think that the pay gap is the doing of men. First, of course, there is the pure discrimination element - of men to the detriment of women. Most by now agree that this effect is minimal, at least in the aggregate. Then, there are the social norms and incentives that enable and push women into less ambitious careers. So in a sense, society is at fault: not only because of the carrots, but also because of the sticks: mens social and sexual status ar…
/r/MensRights26/02/20 02:44 PM
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As I said, I know there is another side to the story. Nevertheless, her actions were borderline enough to make her vulnerable to this line of attack. I do not think they were fair; nor do I think they were completely unfounded. And it is not only she, but the whole movement, that stands to suffer - so much the easier to portray MRM as a collection of (insert arbitrary invective here). That may be unfair and unfortunate, but nonetheless true. I will not go further than that. If you want to argue …
/r/MensRights25/02/20 10:17 AM
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She did appear to put forth a sympathetic portrayal of a convicted child abuser. I say appear, because I know there is more to the story - but the problem is this gives feminists an excellent way of discrediting her that even I cannot completely dismiss. At any rate, it is indeed progress that she got the award in the first place - and that she would likely get to keep it if it were not for that unfortunate incident. Though I have to admit her gender helped in this case: a male advocate saying t…
/r/MensRights24/02/20 11:39 AM
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So basically what happened was this: Women wanted equality, which is fine. But this got tangled up with the role of feminism, at least implicitly, as a lobby for women. Against this backdrop, feminism pushed through reforms - but in many cases only to the extent that women stood to benefit. In other words, no push for extending the draft to women and resistance to shared custody and spousal alimony (at least in the Anglo world after NOW dropped their support for these issues as the radical femin…
/r/MensRights24/02/20 11:36 AM
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From both, but come-ons from gay men tend to adhere to certain rules of decorum that straight, drunk women do not seem to always feel bound to. Not that the harassment has been mean-spirited, but every once in a while I have the sense that they might loosen their inhibitions with gay men because doing so with straight men would put them at risk. But that is just my own pop-psychology interpretation. And again, I am not suffering from this in any way.
/r/MensRights24/02/20 10:06 AM
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For all the strangeness, inefficiency, and unpredictability of the US tort system, it appears to me that that is where most of the actual progress on our side is being made... A philosophical question: should I now take Kesha off my playlist? As someone who mostly listens to jazz and classical, she is one of the few pop artists I switch to when I need a break. Distinct voice and great vocal control and catchy tunes. This is a broader question. Heidegger was, by any standard, one of the most bril…
/r/MensRights21/02/20 04:50 PM
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I am openly gay. And yes, things that, at least by the loose standards of me too, would qualify as sexual harrassment has happened to me quite a bit. Well, at least in my younger, sexier, hedonist years. Now, I cannot actually complain. Mostly it has been good fun. Only a few times did I think the person crossed a line, and I struggled to find a way to deal with it. But am I lying awake at night traumatised? No. Would I even consider taking steps to sanction the person? Of course not. I think ou…
/r/MensRights21/02/20 04:29 PM
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Ok. I think we agree. My reformulation was basically a perhaps misplaced outgrowth of my personal and professional obsession with precision - so here is my repressing my urge to quibble... :)
/r/MensRights19/02/20 04:00 PM
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I never used the word deserve, nor can I imagine you actually think that was my intention. So not sure how to respond. Sort of like that Newman Peterson moment "So youre saying"...
/r/MensRights19/02/20 09:47 AM
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You are trying to make my point for me, right, not argue? First, let me try to restate your point for clarity: there is an implicit contradiction between decrying gender roles while demanding, or at least not consistently problematising with the same verve as when the state of affairs is to the detriment of women, that men fill the LESS pleasant roles that they have traditionally had). Correct? So in this case, this might be, along the lines I tried to explain above, because the insight about ge…
/r/MensRights19/02/20 09:45 AM
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What feminism, to my mind, did indeed get right is the insight of the deleterious effects of gender roles. But this gets corrupted by two other considerations: the conflation of feminism with lobbying for one gender, women, and their specific interpretation of patriarchy as not only a system where those who hold formal power tends to be men, but as one where all men benefit to the detriment of all women. Try it out. Take any feminist issue you disagree with, and I bet you, you will be able to ex…
/r/MensRights18/02/20 03:14 PM
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As a gay man, I have no sympathy for this kind of radicalism. But I also do not think we should compare it to misandry - the context is different. Heterosexuality is, has been, and will always remain the norm for 90% of the population. That is simply biology. And while radical activist claims like this are anything from silly to hateful, they will not reasonably lead to anything like systemic discrimination. Heterosexuality will survive and has enough strength to condone a few instances of overc…
/r/MensRights18/02/20 03:09 PM
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No argument of how misguided this woman is. But it got me to reflect on my own mistakes in this direction. A while back, I, a blond gay man, moved to a country in the Middle East. I was pretty sexually active (read: a slut...) and hooked up once or twice a week. This got me into trouble a few times. Most of the time I was confronted with dishonest and erratic behaviour - lies, ridiculous excuses, and the like. A few times theft and requests for money. And a few times something akin to assault. M…
/r/MensRights18/02/20 03:04 PM
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For someone that most of the time find these issues overhyped and wishes we would all just become better at developing a sense of humour, actually grabbing someone's butt crosses the line of professional behaviour even for me. You are fully within your right to state clearly how her behaviour comes across. Give her a chance to change her behaviour, and if she does not - take action. This is blatant enough even for a gynocentric system to support you. If I only witnessed something like this, I wo…
/r/MensRights18/02/20 02:51 PM
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Although the political debate in general is less polarised in Western Europe (excepting UK, at least recently), we do have our own fair share of feminist crazy. German states, for instance, have passed or are at least seriously considering mandatory gender parity for state assemblies, and many cities and authorities have passed statutes mandating gender neutral language use - quite a challenge for a language where pretty much every term for roles and occupations have discrete male and female for…
/r/MensRights18/02/20 01:23 PM
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Now change women and men to whites and blacks, and you get a screed that even David Duke would reject. The problem is not that there are people out there who think this (there will always be crazy people around), but that posts like this are able to pass any kind of muster and not face wholesale condemnation far beyond the confines of this forum.
/r/MensRights18/02/20 12:45 PM
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I guess if you would push the issue a bit, the picture that emerges would be that women want equality once a relationship is established, but not during the dating stage. This is an issue both on the supply and demand side (there are enough men out there making efforts), but also biologically: throughout human existence, woman have played the role of selecting their mates carefully, because they were subsequently dependent on them for protection and provision that they needed to raise offspring.…
/r/MensRights18/02/20 12:26 PM
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In a way, I appreciate the honesty about the poster - it does a better job demonstrating pretty much all top points that are wrong about feminism than we do here. It is bizarre that this is not obvious to some people (it would be even to many a self-described feminist).
/r/MensRights18/02/20 12:21 PM
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Few people would dispute that on this forum, I think. So purely medically, is there some kind of corresponding procedure for women? That goes beyond sterilisation to radically dampen sex drive?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/20 12:08 PM
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I am a liberal, which pretty much corresponds to the US use of libertarian - except for the crazy stuff (instinctual resistance to government, insistence on the right to bear arms, Objectivism, and the like). But I come from the left and have become a liberal because I have seen the limitations of government intervention in my work. In fact, I would even say tax the rich and redistribute wealth as much as you can - provided that you do not run into trade-offs that outweigh the benefits. We might…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 11:32 AM
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As someone having followed the MRA debate for a few years, I think this is pretty well established by now. In fact, I would even submit that feminism (or the parts of it that some might call victim feminism) represents, as Elam put it, "patriarchy- dialled up. Way up." This should be clear to anyone that makes the effort to scrutinise the implicit comparison of oppression of women versus oppression of blacks. Few whites have put themselves in harms way to protect their slaves; doing so to protec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 11:27 AM
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When I first read this, I took it as a rhetorical trick to draw attention to the view that banning abortions constitutes impingement on a womans bodily autonomy by proposing rules that constitute impingement on mens bodily autonomy. Sort of like the argument you hear every once in a while that if men became pregnant abortions would be available on a drive-through basis. Now I am basically pro-choice, if nothing else because I am European and grew up in a society where access to abortion, albeit …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 11:21 AM
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I am inherently skeptical of any studies that comes to conclusions whose opposite would be pretty much politically unsustainable (you simply cannot conclude that men are on average more productive), and where the sheer complexity makes decisions on which parameters to adjust pretty much arbitrary. Take the simple fact that men are more likely to work with more capital, such as physical machinery, at their disposal, which would make them more productive - unless you correct for capital input per …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 09:40 AM
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I would not say the effects on consumer choices in Europe are modest. I think we drive substantially less on average, and many people in urban areas do not have cars or at least do not use them to get to work. And cars are, on average, much smaller: we have a modest SUV by US standards that towers above the rest (to be fair, we have gas tax exemption and only pay US prices). So the carbon tax clearly does work. Now imagine if governments would say that they will raise it modestly to the tune of …
/r/MensRights17/02/20 09:02 AM
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I think it is more radicalised thinking along the lines of if men got pregnant abortion would be available in drive through clinics. Bizarre in so many ways...
/r/MensRights14/02/20 02:21 PM
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I am a man. I pay pretty close attention to where I walk at night, often changing the side of the street if I see, say, a gang of loud hoodlums, and checking every once in a while if someone might be following me or making sure not to flash cash or expensive mobile phones unnecessarily. I do not obsess about it, but I do take what I would consider reasonable precautions. Am I that different from the rest?
/r/MensRights14/02/20 11:46 AM
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I am pro-choice (European... and, to my mind, a pragmatist). Even so, how on earth can you compare lack of access to a medical procedure with a mandated procedure for which there are plenty of other options? I fail to see the logic.
/r/MensRights14/02/20 11:43 AM
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He is a hero. What is toxic is only towards himself: he took, I gather, extraordinary risks. If anything positive comes out of this discussion, it would be that we have to mitigate this onus by, at the very least, not shaming the men and boys that do not have this kind of courage and self sacrifice.
/r/MensRights14/02/20 11:31 AM
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I think most people in society think women simply cannot rape men. They might make exceptions for cases of sex with pre-pubescent minors or perhaps that famous case of a care worker having sex with her mentally ill patient (and then suing for child support), but apart from that it would pretty much have to involve a woman penetrating a man with a dildo. Unfortunately, I think this attitude is even more prevalent among those with a traditionalist-conservative bent; those on the left are probably …
/r/MensRights14/02/20 11:26 AM
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Well, I think America is a great (though not necessarily the greatest) country, and my list of downsides, especially nowadays, would be much longer than that. And you forgot integration of the Aborigines, which is frankly a befuddling failure. But in terms of economic growth, a smallish but efficient welfare state, social mobility, socioeconomic integration of immigrants, education, and trade diversification and integration, they certainly stand out. Especially since in the 70s, they used to be …
/r/MensRights14/02/20 10:36 AM
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On the burden: I am not sure what was so controversial about noting that husbands with working wives have a slightly less onerous financial burden... Perhaps we are talking past each other here? Household size: I was referring to Pickettys data, which looks at household income - and the average size of households has decreased over the past decades. This is too complex an issue to address here (listen to the EconTalk episode with Russ Roberts and Picketty if you want), but clearly the general na…
/r/MensRights13/02/20 05:21 PM
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On the onus on men: true to some extent that men may have a higher bar, but at the very least less of a burden overall. And the story about stagnating wages ignores factors such as household size (Picketty data is on the household level), cost of social security and healthcare, and panel data tracking households over time, and the imperfection of inflation measures over decades (comparing rotary phones to mobile phones, for instance). But we definitely see problems at the lower end of the income…
/r/MensRights13/02/20 04:38 PM
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It would make sense for a country plagued by wildfires and something like half of the most venomous species in the world would also be more dangerous in that respect. Still, arguably the most successful larger country in the world over the past decades...
/r/MensRights13/02/20 02:02 PM
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Thanks for your comments. Let me respond to a few of the issues, as my concern here is more to understand issues I find interesting than to try to convince people. Women's gender role: on the face of it, it has actually changed quite a bit - though we are of course far from some kind of fundamental neutralisation. Women now work outside the home at around 70%-90% the rate of men, with strong variations among countries. In countries like Sweden, something like a third of couples see wives making …
/r/MensRights13/02/20 12:12 PM
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Sweden and New Zealand: two of the countries in the world where I would have almost no misgivings about my daughter walking around alone and dating. How could I be so woefully misguided?
/r/MensRights12/02/20 11:41 AM
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That particular point might actually be true. Women have far fewer inhibitions to overcome, socially and biologically, before engaging in light physical violence against their partner - and in most cases few consequences to face. So it stands to reason that a man that has gone far enough to become even lightly physically violent is more of a threat. But I do not know that, so I would welcome a concerted, scientific look at the issue. And though I reject the position that this person appears to b…
/r/MensRights12/02/20 11:34 AM
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Does this come as a surprise? From what I know anecdotally, this is pretty much the standard position, and the exceptions prove the rule as they make up some of the most egregious cases (most are not). Besides, think about the incentives the police, prosecutors and judges face here. Convicting a false accuser looks terrible, and a sliver of doubt, or just a tiny chance that she or he could be telling the truth, would be ruthlessly exploited in media and probably end your career. You would look l…
/r/MensRights12/02/20 09:33 AM
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To be fair, he looks like he can afford it. I would save the word horrible for, you know, Brian Banks or innocent people being lynched. But more importantly: Pamela Anderson has to go to such lengths to pay off 200 k???
/r/MensRights12/02/20 09:27 AM
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I assume, but please confirm, that the case is parallel with the claim that rape within marriage was not illegal until... what was it... the 70s 80s? That it was indeed illegal, just not a separate crime? And perhaps that because it took place in the family less egregious cases were perhaps less likely to be pursued? ​ Anyone? ​ I also remember a claim that there were provisions allowing light physical violence against wives in Victorian times, and I presume the reason was the responsibilities p…
/r/MensRights12/02/20 09:25 AM
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I would have no problem shining a spotlight on the specific issues women face in what is now one of the most brutal conflicts on the planet and for which the West has to take responsibility. Why spoil it all with sentences like "the ones that are truly paying the price"? Worst of all, why trigger another petty gender war of words that takes attention away from, you know, an actual war?
/r/MensRights12/02/20 09:21 AM
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That is, with apologies, too facile. But you have a point: it seems, at least, that we have created more opportunities for women to venture into what used to be the domain of the male gender role, whereas there has been much less progress the other way around, save perhaps progress on rights for gay men and fathers. So why is this? Is it because feminism is so strong, at least compared to MRM? Again, I think the strength of feminism, which come mostly from passive acceptance of its premises rath…
/r/MensRights12/02/20 09:17 AM
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Yet again, I not only failed to explain but managed to create a downright parodical, unnuanced version of what I actually intended to say. So I yield on this one. Congratulations.
/r/MensRights12/02/20 09:06 AM
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Let us not fall into doom and gloom just yet. Most of the time, men and women still get along just fine. In fact, many prominent MRA / liberty feminism advocates are women. But while one-on-one relationships might work quite well, when asked to make generalisations, both men and women think more highly of women as a group than men. This is in part biological: women survived by picking men carefully as they depended on men for protection and provision; and men survived (read: made themselves attr…
/r/MensRights11/02/20 12:05 PM
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I reject the narrative of historical oppression of women: gender roles were much more strict, but life was harsh for most people of both genders. Even a medieval king would prefer to be a poor American today for a range of reasons, starting with doubling his life expectancy. But it is an interesting question to which extent we have an obligation to compensate for the travails of past generations. Most blacks are descendants of slaves that were brought here by force, and that is probably at least…
/r/MensRights11/02/20 09:43 AM
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Ok, it may be a bit unproductive to quibble about details when we seem to agree on the overall picture, but let me just clarify as for some reason I appear to have prompted you to interpret my words as much more radical than I intended them. Duluth model: What I meant was that the (blatantly sexist parts of) Duluth model was passed as a basis because there was already an environment to enable it. In that sense, it is a symptom, not a cause, of a sexist approach to the issue to the detriment of m…
/r/MensRights11/02/20 09:38 AM
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In one meeting on gender equality, someone noted that our organisation had been very successful as 6 out of 8 directors are now female. I made the comment "Great. More equality", which I meant facetiously but was taken seriously. A great example of this phenomenon is the Forums Gender Gap report, which evaluates gender equality based on economic representation, political representation, education, and health. The first two were pretty straightforward, but in the dimensions of education and healt…
/r/MensRights10/02/20 05:19 PM
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Listen, I am agreeing with you, and most here, overall. My quibbles are only with the details. Such as: - From what I have seen, statutory rape of children are the only cases where women appear to face any consequences at all - albeit substantially milder ones. That is why I excluded it. I do notice a slight trend from completely ignoring all but the most egregious infractions towards a bit more stringency. But only a slight one. - The Duluth model is a symptom, not a cause. We have seen DV as a…
/r/MensRights10/02/20 04:48 PM
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Or, to play devils advocate, the system, whatever that is, discriminates against older female actors. It definitely sounds true. With exceptions such as Judi Dench, Helen Mirren, and Meryl Streep, most prominent older actors are indeed male. The likes of Reese Witherspoon reach their peak in their early 30s, while Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp may have yet to see their peak and at any rate are still going strong. Meanwhile, I can actually think of few male actors under 35 that I, as an absolute amat…
/r/MensRights10/02/20 10:22 AM
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I was never a feminist. But for a long time, I bought the basics of the narrative, along with most of society: historical oppression, the strongly gendered nature of sexual assault and domestic violence, and discrimination in the work place (woman probably had to work not by far twice as hard, but probably at bit harder, to get to the same place). In college, I participated in Take Back the Night rallies, the precursor of todays sexual assault activism, because I of course agreed that it was unc…
/r/MensRights10/02/20 10:14 AM
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Well, perhaps not all that true. Upon some reflection, I am not sure that we are not expected to be strong and that we are seen as having more feminine, whatever that means, emotions. First, of course, it does take quite a bit of emotional fortitude to come out - less now than two decades ago, but still - which a gender conforming straight man or woman does not face. Second, at work, I actually see I get little of the leeway I would get as a woman, especially if I would adopt children. I think o…
/r/MensRights10/02/20 10:04 AM
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Probably true to some extent. Then again, we have other crosses to bear :)
/r/MensRights10/02/20 09:34 AM
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That is a bit too strong. The woman's (and I am only saying woman's because, excluding statutory rape and children, I have yet to see a case of wrongful conviction with a male victim) word would have to be much more convincing. I still think that we let many more guilty people off than we convict innocent people. That still makes the situation pretty egregious by the standards that our judicial principles prescribe, so I am not disagreeing with the spirit of what you say, only with the exact wor…
/r/MensRights10/02/20 09:22 AM
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I was not arguing that her behaviour and expectations were not reprehensible, they were - for the reasons you outline and probably more. Only that it is more a matter of behaviour and perhaps narcissistic personalities than systemic gender issues. That is all.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 01:53 PM
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There are already provisions on the books for convicting a sleaze, they are just not entitled sexual assault. And from what I glean, many of the stories of his accusers would add up to several lesser crimes. Perhaps the problem is more that the prosecutors went for sexual assault and hence raised the bar for conviction substantially (mostly I presume because of the public outrage).
/r/MensRights07/02/20 09:38 AM
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Fortunately, not many people commit suicide - but the gender gap is indicative of a much larger, smoldering problem of mens mental health. The only negative emotion among men that is socially acceptable is restrained, directed anger (the adjectives are important; the angry incel would fall foul of them). In my life, many of the ones I have been able to open up to have been straight women with whom there is absolutely no sexual tension or potential. I am gay, so I can find many of those - if you …
/r/MensRights07/02/20 09:33 AM
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Here is what bothers me about the Weinstein case. After reading a bit, I have some sense of the position of the defense and where the probable truth lies: he was a lech that used his power to lur women in a way that is morally reprehensible, but not clearly criminal. Compare that to the likes of the Aziz Ansari case and many others. Guys (because apart from statutory rape cases we only talk about guys) who were perhaps gauche or incurred wrath by not calling back, but who would never manipulate …
/r/MensRights07/02/20 09:26 AM
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I do not think this is a gender issue as much as one of common sense and personal responsibility. If I were the guy in this relationship, this would have been a pretty clear signal to run. The only reason that she alone is not the one suffering the consequences of her narcissism is that there is an ample supply that do not - especially if she is physically attractive. Of course, the same goes for girls. But I think girls are much better on average in ending a relationship that will not work. Far…
/r/MensRights07/02/20 09:19 AM
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If they would have replaced feminist with support for equality of the sexes, or for that matter the kind of liberal feminism Hoff Summers and her ilk espouse, I would be all for it and accept the illiberalism of mandatory membership. The counterargument I still here is that gender equality is what feminism is by definition - an example of casuistry unacceptable in almost all other circumstances, such as defining fascism by selecting a few of the lofty ideals that no reasonable person would disag…
/r/MensRights07/02/20 09:14 AM
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I would explain the education gender gap by positing that girls of average (in the literal sense of the term, not the derogatory US sense) intelligence are more likely than boys to enter college, whether through diligence, additional support, or both. As higher education democratises and larger parts of any cohort enter university, this will inevitably lead to a gender gap on its own. In addition, and perhaps more importantly there are more girls than boys of average intelligence because male in…
/r/MensRights07/02/20 09:08 AM
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I would qualify that: young, unemployed men without the talent and socioeconomic background to attend university. I think well educated men are doing just fine; in fact, the economy is competing for their attention. The most basic issue is this: as our economy grows more and more efficient, the talent premium rises - creating a growing class of low-wage workers on temporary contracts, primarily in services. This already hits young men more than women because of the education gap. This is then co…
/r/MensRights06/02/20 10:20 AM
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That is actually bizarre. The Norwegian law, which I think was the first of its kind, mandates 40% for both genders, though of course qualified women are the main beneficiaries. I actually think a law like this can be useful, provided you make the quota manageable - say 25% or even varied a bit by industry. There are gains to diversity, and we can manage the trade-offs. Besides, we should keep in mind that we are talking about boards of directors, not executives - it is a part-time role to provi…
/r/MensRights06/02/20 10:14 AM
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Though at the least I would give her some credit for honesty. Just read a bit more and learned that, though her lawyers claim her words were manipulated, she actually sent a message along the lines of go ahead, claim abuse by a 100 pound woman, no one will believe you. I dare you. Unfortunately, she might well be right. What is missing is simple, yet not so easy to explain intuitively: that there are massive inhibitions among men to defend themselves against light (meaning not bone breaking or l…
/r/MensRights06/02/20 10:04 AM
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The most bizarre part of this story is that Amber seems to feel there is not even a reason for her to hide the abusive role that she played. In fact, and we see this elsewhere as well, she seems to be outright proud of it. Fortunately, it seems that in this case she has gone too far and opinion has swayed (the relative silence of feminists previously supporting her speaks volumes). But had she simply been a bit smarter about it, she would have won in the court of public opinion. I can only assum…
/r/MensRights05/02/20 11:15 AM
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It is not only that dress codes are, de facto, much more liberal for women (I can live with that, armed with a sense of humour) - it is that speaking out against obvious breaches against even much more liberal codes inevitably incurs accusations of not even sexism, but outright misogyny. There was an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm that put its finger on this (Larrys assistant). We could see the entire sitcom as dealing with the trials and tribulation of someone who cant help but speak the truth…
/r/MensRights05/02/20 11:10 AM
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It might seem that way, but please bear with me. Tucker Carlson drawing attention to single issues draws MRM overall into the kind of half-extreme, anti-intellectual right wing orbit which this kind of pundit inhabits. But this orbit is not likely to help us on most issues, as it often overlaps with traditional social-conservative values, with little sympathy for non-conforming or underperforming men. This is because by any standard the MRM stance is far from conservative, but actually hyperprog…
/r/MensRights05/02/20 08:08 AM
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I am not worried at all about things that are obviously insane, because society is pretty good at dealing with it (well... in the LONG run at least). What worries me is the stuff in between, especially on topics that emotionally appeal to people. On the other hand, of course if I were a control freak and needed an outlet, a dog might help...
/r/MensRights05/02/20 08:03 AM
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Now I get it. Nothing is more redolent of patriarchal oppression than dog walking. Men taking their bitches out on a leash...
/r/MensRights04/02/20 03:45 PM
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Tucker Carlson is obsessed with sticking it to the left. We should not let that lead us to the conclusion that he in any way cares more about men than Democrats or most of society. This is about slamming Obama, not caring about male DV victims.
/r/MensRights04/02/20 12:43 PM
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What are the tons of mens groups she is referring to? I must be missing something.
/r/MensRights04/02/20 12:41 PM
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Perhaps for a simple reason: it is the angry, narcissistic sugar babies that are the most likely to come forward, whereas perhaps most victims simply want to put what happened behind them. Besides, in the case of Weinstein, he appears to have preyed (albeit not violently), on ambitious young women who wanted to get ahead and were not shy of, or at least ambivalent about, using their sexuality to that end.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 05:21 PM
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Of course, then we would see even fewer convictions. Even today, most cases are based on the credibility of the accuser alone - rape kits only help in the relatively rare cases where the accused denies that sexual intercourse took place (most are about whether there was consent or not). That would of course not be good, especially not for male victims. Nor would it be politically feasible in the current environment. And the obvious response, to allocate more resources to investigations, is hitti…
/r/MensRights03/02/20 05:15 PM
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Could not make sense of this tweet. Literally. How do you read it?
/r/MensRights03/02/20 09:54 AM
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The percentage of male victims of DV surprises most people. The percentage of homeless (75%) and rough sleepers (over 90?) does not. That is not the issue. Rather, it is our stubborn refusal to even frame this as a gendered issue. Had it been the other way around, there would have been no question.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 09:53 AM
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Let us take MeToo. For all of the criticism, here and in the mainstream, it is often claimed that victims (well, mostly women) speaking out is a good thing. Fair enough: victims overall tend to keep mum and should speak out, including and perhaps especially male ones. At the same time, is it not bizarre that, in a world where sexual assault definitely happens, with over 100 k convictions in the US alone, such a large proportion of accusations have turned out to be anything from banal over widely…
/r/MensRights03/02/20 09:46 AM
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I was putting the question out there, not voicing a definite and strong opinion. What evidence do we have of this trickle down effect?
/r/MensRights02/02/20 01:18 PM
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What is it that men have that feminists do not ask them to share with women?
/r/MensRights02/02/20 12:16 PM
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If pressed, I am fully with Johnny on this one based on the little I have read. But more importantly, does someone like him need support? Or for that matter Kavanaugh? What about the hundreds of thousands of men in this situation that do not have talent, world fame, and a fortune in the bank? We, to my mind rightly, blast feminism for concentrating their sympathy on some of the, on most metrics, privileged women in the world. Just a thought.
/r/MensRights02/02/20 12:12 PM
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I guess a remnant from the time where I, as a non-native speaker, had to memorise thousands of English words to have a chance at scoring well enough on the GRE to get a scholarship. Most stereotypes have some truth to them. This particular one puzzles me, though. Most gay men I know are not, or are any more, part of the party crowd. And having to be sociable at work, during missions, and at receptions is so exhausting to me that my private social life is pretty dull. At the same time, the though…
/r/MensRights02/02/20 12:08 PM
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What is the solution to this? Restrict evidence? It should be a good thing, as many rape convictions (and many unjust acquittals) are still based on the credibility of the testimonies of both parties alone. Besides, the disingenuous conflation of "believe women", meaning on the one hand to provide a benevolent, compassionate system for people who come forward, and on the other hand to lend additional weight to single testimonies, bothers me - as it conflates what is reasonable and compassionate …
/r/MensRights31/01/20 01:25 PM
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Even if we give her the benefit of the doubt here, the point remains that there is a reason why psychiatrists should not get involved with their patients (or teachers with their students, and so on). One to be taken seriously, at the peril of losing your license and more. If, as she claims, her mental and personal status did not allow her to act professionally, it is still her responsibility for deciding to see patients anyway. The rules are pretty clear on this. Most of the men convicted of sim…
/r/MensRights31/01/20 01:20 PM
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As if the existence of hypergamy were some kind of surprise... even the most "woke" of my female friends admit, at least if pressed, that it would be hard for them to respect a partner whose achievements are far below their own (not necessarily financially).
/r/MensRights31/01/20 01:14 PM
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Indeed. It makes me think of a case - I think it was Sweden - where an asylum applicant claiming persecution because of homosexuality (a valid basis) was rejected with the justification that he was not sociable enough to be gay. At least that was the version of the (sensationalist, but not completely divorced from facts) media. I presume on the same logic a lesbian would be rejected for being garrulous...
/r/MensRights31/01/20 11:10 AM
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Speaking about partying - I think the at times ostensibly excessive hedonism among some, visible gay men is a way to deal with internalised homophobia. I find the link bizarre. Even our alliance with lesbians tends to die out as soon as societies deals with the basics of homophobia and acceptance. In fact, I have no lesbian friends - and had to spend hours quizzing my butch lesbian sister-in-law just to understand the basics. Two different worlds.
/r/MensRights31/01/20 09:48 AM
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I looked into it a bit. Seems to be part out of context hype, part serious but honest mistake that she has taken some responsibility for (but unfortunately not quite enough, I am afraid). Too bad.
/r/MensRights31/01/20 09:44 AM
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Put simply: because they draw an analogy between mens rights and white rights. A misguided one, yes, but unfortunately one of ostensible logic and allure to most people.
/r/MensRights30/01/20 03:37 PM
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Is there anything to the story about her benevolent interview with a convicted sex offender? Startled me a bit.
/r/MensRights30/01/20 03:35 PM
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As a gay man, I am ashamed that people say these kinds of things in a misguided attempt to fight for my rights (well, I guess those of Lesbians first). On a positive note: that alt-right Saint, Jordan Peterson, once suggested that while we know what is going too far on the right, we do not have any clear idea on the left. He was not quite right, as it turns out.
/r/MensRights30/01/20 03:29 PM
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What would be a progressive depiction of women in video games and its ilk (super heroes etc)? This is not all all my area, but just out of interest I watched parts of some recent movies with female super heroes. I find them, honestly, remarkably one-sided and at times downright insulting. We moved from fawning, simple-minded Bond ladies, clearly in the tradition of damsel in distress, to the likes of Uma Thurman in Kill Bill (although I know that was more of a satire). While male superheroes, ba…
/r/MensRights30/01/20 10:54 AM
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I also read in several places that there were many more male victims of the original witch hunts than most people think. The interesting question is: what were the characteristics that male vs female victims had in common? And what, if any, was the role of homophobia?
/r/MensRights30/01/20 09:58 AM
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I would not say lesbians are necessarily more accepted than that they, at least throughout history, have been more likely to encounter indifference and fall behind the radar screen than cause outrage. Of course, we could view the witch hunt (in the actual sense of the world) as outrage against non-conforming women in general, including lesbians. But that blanches in comparison with the severity we have treated non-conforming men (and still do in many places, going all the way to capital punishme…
/r/MensRights29/01/20 03:38 PM
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I am feeling pretty emasculated, because I do not do any of those at all or at most occasionally. Im such a fag.
/r/MensRights29/01/20 03:33 PM
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Of course. We have a clear victim hierarchy, and straight adult men victimised by women are presumably at the bottom both in terms of societal concern and predilection to report. Though I would note that this is nothing view; if anything, the situation has become a bit less murky of late. A bit, but far from enough of course. Where does the 9 times less likely figure come from? I am not disputing it; I just would love to see a study on this.
/r/MensRights28/01/20 01:27 PM
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It also excludes me, a gay man that has zero interest in spectator sports. First of all, why in the world should I want to use rules to rein this in? I can make a joke about it, change the topic, or simply join another conversation. Second, how is assuming that talk about sports excludes women not reflective of a downright reactionary view of gender preferences? Not least because I know many women who do engage. Not as many as I know men who do; but enough to make the underlying assumption seem …
/r/MensRights28/01/20 10:40 AM
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I think that in most cases, we should give rape advocates a bit more of the benefit of the doubt. Rather, it is a case of the road to hell and good intentions. We see this everywhere. Take textile workers in Bangladesh: lobbying against poor wages (by our standards, not theirs) and working conditions, well intended advocates have actually manage to artificially reduce employment and hence opportunities for, in this case, poor women to attain the lower middle class. Fair trade - similar detriment…
/r/MensRights28/01/20 10:27 AM
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I always ask myself: what does misogyny actually look like? Do we have anything that parallels this? I am asking honestly, rather than rhetorically. I am not questioning that misogyny exists - I am just wondering what it looks like, because I simply do not have a clear picture of it. ​ Apart, of course, from some Southern hick saying he does not think a woman can be president (when speaking about Hillary; I have the sneaking suspicion that same hick might make an exception for Sarah Palin); or s…
/r/MensRights28/01/20 09:06 AM
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This is cringeworthy to most of us instinctively, but it is undeniably true that we do not have mechanisms and incentives in place that make sure that we know when we have gone too far. I have heard some people claim, with relative impunity, that rape is worse than murder. The problem is not that some people use warped logic (many of us do every day); the problem is that we condone, let alone, celebrate it. The problem is compounded by the drive to expand the notion of rape. No reasonable person…
/r/MensRights24/01/20 12:19 PM
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And of course, to take but one example, kitchen counters are standardised to fit someone of about 165 cm (5"7) height, so that most men (and tall women) have to hunch over when they cook. These are issues, yes. Not big ones, but still. The problem is that the solution is not obvious, and may often turn out costly and riddled with unintended side effects. Think about the scenario she describes: what is a reasonable solution? Mandating multiple petrol pump handles across the country?
/r/MensRights24/01/20 12:12 PM
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By the same logic, men should be even more afraid of other men. Yet to be so beyond the scope of common sense and reasonable measures for self-preservation would, as we all would agree, be pretty silly. The increase in road accidents following 9-11, as people decided to drive rather than to fly by the thousands, alone killed many more people than the terrorist attacks themselves. This kind of hysteria mostly tends to be much more harmful than the object of the hysteria itself.
/r/MensRights24/01/20 12:08 PM
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First of all, why working class - is the problem not more in the NON working class or in the so call precariate, a class of worker dependent on short-term, low paid employment with little access to social security? Second, why white? Are black men with the same socioeconomic background on average doing better? I have heard this before somewhere.
/r/MensRights24/01/20 12:04 PM
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This Wikipedia article gives an overview for many countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage#Dates_by_country Everything a bit more complicated, but by and large, it seems like the process lack of democracy - limited suffrage (rank, land ownership, tax contributions, education) - universal male suffrage - universal suffrage is something that holds universally in that order. Of course, it would be misguided to interpret male only suffrage as outright disenfrachisement of women, as…
/r/MensRights24/01/20 11:59 AM
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For all my skepticism towards the SJW (read: narrative based on the assumption that the world could be interpreted as a constant conflict between the oppressor and the oppressed with roots in a warped version of critical theory that intensifies rather than supplants ideological distortion), I suspect it is not altogether a coincidence that the accused was black. Not something I readily admit, yet neither something I can simply dismiss out of hand.
/r/MensRights24/01/20 10:48 AM
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I was not equating MRAs in feminists overall (in fact if anything I would, as would you, probably, claim the opposite), only talking about the effects activism in any direction might have on our psyche and affect our personal well-being and attractiveness. You can extend that logic to black power, pro life, NIMBYISM - anything that promotes a unilateral view on issues that lie close to our heart, whether justified, partially justified, or unjustified.
/r/MensRights24/01/20 10:45 AM
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I understand that there was about a ten year gap in most countries. Any links, I would be interested. The only clear exceptions to the general rule that universal male suffrage came only a few years or a decade before female suffrage are the US (1831 to 1921?) and Switzerland (where women did not get the federal vote until 1974 - although in that country the federal vote does not matter very much as the cantons are fiercely independent). Any others that I have not heard of?
/r/MensRights24/01/20 10:42 AM
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My point was to focus on the positive rather than demonising anything...
/r/MensRights24/01/20 10:40 AM
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Do "woke" MRAs also tend to end up single...? ​ Part of the reason, of course, is that extreme feminism among women is not particularly attractive. But perhaps another part is that people who obsess enough about injustice cannot stop seeing that injustice, whether objectively justified or not, everywhere - which of course entrenches their sense of victimisation, injustice, and of course general lack of life satisfaction. A vicious circle, in other words - one that, admittedly, some MRAs may also…
/r/MensRights23/01/20 01:51 PM
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I think women received the vote and access to labour markets, to take but two examples, because those were changes that the times in question called for. In most of Europe, the universal male suffrage came after the World War I effort, which saw mass mobilisation - denying the vote to returning veterans was simply not possible anymore. It is no coincidence that, only a few years after, denying women the vote was equally unsustainable. A generation later, also in Europe, the World War II mass mob…
/r/MensRights23/01/20 01:39 PM
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As far as I have heard, the overwhelming majority of men being violent against children are stepfathers, not biological fathers. If you compare biological fathers to biological mothers, the latter are far more violent (though they of course spend more time with their children).
/r/MensRights23/01/20 01:30 PM
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What are some of the things that we can propose that would not potentially have adverse consequences for victims?
/r/MensRights23/01/20 11:27 AM
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While I understand and agree with most MRA stances when it comes to men, I fail to understand how anything remotely similar apply to heterosexual men and women. Some rhetoric, yes. But heterosexuality is, to my mind, in no way under existential threat - and will not conceivable see such threat, as their existence is pivotal to the survival of the human race. Besides, homophobia has been rampant in living memory in the West, and still in in several countries. There is certainly some overcompensat…
/r/MensRights22/01/20 04:22 PM
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It is not even necessarily the case that the judges have their own, demonic personal agendas. They might just be reacting to incentives. They face many more risks if they let a predator go free than if they send someone who might be innocent to jail. If they fail to convict someone, and that person then goes on to reoffend, the public might well see you as responsible. Meanwhile, I have seen few cases of judges losing their jobs or facing violence for convicting someone who turned out to be inno…
/r/MensRights22/01/20 04:18 PM
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A more positive approach, and one I think we all would support, is to celebrate men who teach their daughters to, say, play soccer. That would help reduce the constraints of gender roles without demonising fathers.
/r/MensRights22/01/20 04:15 PM
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Here is how to better frame the issue. False accusations are indeed exceedingly rare - if you take as a denominator, say, the total number of sexual encounters. Miniscule. Fractions of a percent - regardless of whether you believe the 2% or 80% estimates out there. In fact, they are miniscule compared to reasonable estimates of instances of sexual assault. The latter is the larger problem. And that is the denominator that makes sense. Once we have established that, I think we can have a much mor…
/r/MensRights22/01/20 04:12 PM
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I assume the person was referring to some out there claim about testosterone. The reason I think this is misguided is this. Take the analogy with pedophiles. Some percentage of the male (to keep things simple) population is sexually attracted to children. They battle with this inclination every time they see a child as much as a straight man does when he sees a curvy model walking by. The point is: very few of these pedophiles actually rape children. They might fantasize about it (and then feel …
/r/MensRights22/01/20 04:09 PM
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Meanwhile, some people confidently claim that Jordan Peterson is "basically Hitler". ​ We should not forget that Mein Kampf is, by any logic, a quasi-illiterate screed completely devoid of subtlety, at least by todays standards. It is bizarre that it is illegal to sell the book in Germany, because it does an excellent job of discrediting itself. David Duke is a liberal moderate in comparison... and the right-wing extremist parties of Northern Europe, with their talk about the need for integratio…
/r/MensRights20/01/20 03:33 PM
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I have seen some of her, and I did not find her particularly feminist (at least not unreasonably so). But I find it fascinating that a show based on her just sitting there spewing exaggerated opinions has such enormous traction. Not sure I understand why, but then I am hardly the target audience...
/r/MensRights20/01/20 02:18 PM
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The female equivalent would be a woman starting to play soccer (assuming she has had no previous inclination or interest) to support her son or daughters interest in the game. That I would indeed consider worthy of praise.
/r/MensRights20/01/20 02:15 PM
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At the very least, I commend her honesty :)
/r/MensRights20/01/20 02:13 PM
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Here on MRA fora I hear quite a bit not only about the negative aspects of being a (poor, especially) man in India; whereas from mainstream media I, and many others, get the impression of India being hell for women (here again, poor - although we do not say so). The horrific rape murder a few years ago, the prevalence of discrimination against girls in education (one of the few countries, where, in some states, the gender gap remains to the detriment of girls - whereas it has reversed in almost …
/r/MensRights14/01/20 03:56 PM
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Men have not by far "evolved" as much as women have, but I do not think the picture is all that gloomy. Gay men are accepted more broadly than was imaginable a few decades ago, and in Sweden men take out a fifth of parental leave (and walk around Stockholm and see more engaged fathers with prams than pretty much anywhere). Of course, empowering fathers is the easy bit. Protecting male victims of DV with female perpetrators will take much longer...
/r/MensRights10/01/20 04:51 PM
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I think the main problem is that they do not report at all, and that when they do, they get laughed at - rather than that they get dismissed at liars. At any rate, that is just an assumption, and that does not in any way reduce the problem, so my point is pretty moot.
/r/MensRights10/01/20 04:48 PM
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I still do not get the argument. To take but one classic example: the ratio of male doctors marrying female nurses compared to female doctors and male nurses is overwhelmingly low (sorry no stats, but it has to be true). How does this square with men selecting based on social status? Could you expatiate a bit please, as I think I am missing something completely here.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 01:44 PM
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I do not think that we believe women more than men overall. It might depend on the situation. At least until recently, there was some truth to feminist claims that men appear more trustworthy when, for instance, reporting on war or scientific discoveries. And I am also not sure that we believe women more than men when they claim sexual assault. I just think we care about what happens to men less. We do not think they lie, we just think they should suck it up. Or do people disagree here?
/r/MensRights09/01/20 01:42 PM
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I agree that, if pushed to pick one gender in crisis, I would opt for males - though it is a bit silly to generalise about an entire gender in the first place. But the assumption on both sides always seems to be that, before, it was the other way around - or at least, better for men. The narrative on the left may be something like before men used to be privileged, now they are suffering because that privilege is eroding. I do not think that is true at all. Were things really better for men in th…
/r/MensRights09/01/20 01:39 PM
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I do not quite get your reasoning on the skinny issue. In particular, I would see social status as something that men traditionally obtain through performance and women through marriage. I also find it hard to see how men find social status, at least the way I would define the term, as attractive to anywhere near the same extent as when genders are reversed. To put it another way: men explicitly marrying for status and money is about as rare as women doing so explicitly for a muscled body. They …
/r/MensRights09/01/20 01:31 PM
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I submit that would strongly depend on the desirability of the men...
/r/MensRights09/01/20 11:24 AM
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In a very reductionist Darwinian sense you are of course right. The desire to reproduce drives all of us and explain our gender roles quite well - had men not felt viscerally compelled to provide for and protect women (and children), we would not be alive today. All I am saying is that that story is blatantly lacking in nuance and comprehensive explanatory power at the meso and micro-level. Sure, being in good physical shape and having a blooming career with make you attractive with women; but s…
/r/MensRights09/01/20 11:24 AM
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I looked into this a bit. A few things are indeed disconcerting, such as the video tape and the fact that she retracted and hence incriminated herself without the presence of a lawyer to advise her. I find the story much less clear cut than some of the egregious cases of false accusations out there. ​ Of course, we do not know what happened. But what seems probable is that it started consensually and that the situation escalated out of hand under the influence of alcohol. The boys were maybe beh…
/r/MensRights09/01/20 11:18 AM
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Let us switch the genders for a bit. Do some men work out in the extreme simply to impress women? Of course, to some extent, the answer is yes, but I have the feeling that is only one of the driving factors - obsession, peer pressure, and competition with other men in general rather than only about access to reproduction should be at least as important. So I assume when you use a term as strong as bullshit, you are arguing against some kind of extreme strawman version of what I actually wanted t…
/r/MensRights08/01/20 02:00 PM
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It is true that the way we in general and women in particular dress tends to enhance their positive physical characteristics. But that is only part of the intricacies of fashion, most of which most men simply do not care about that much (for heavens sake, most of my straight colleagues still walk around with black shoes and navy suits). Or would you actually claim that Meryl Streeps dress at the Golden Globe was selected to impress, let alone turn on, men? That strains credulity to my mind.
/r/MensRights08/01/20 12:20 PM
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To put it this way: how many (straight...) men have you seen that are actually impressed by how a woman dresses? I mean impressed, not turned on. I still think this premise seems silly.
/r/MensRights06/01/20 04:11 PM
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Really? Worshiping the worst tyrant the world has seen is worse than overzealous feminism? Are you sure?
/r/MensRights06/01/20 04:10 PM
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Crowder is more loud than funny. Will check out the twins. But my suspicion is that only a liberal (libertarian) outlook makes for good comedy - otherwise you will take dogma too seriously. The only reason that comedy appears to flourish on the progressive left, I suspect, is the simple fact that the US right supplies a pretty fertile field for ridicule at the moment.
/r/MensRights06/01/20 04:09 PM
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It is hard to see what is progressive about paying above-market wages for people who already belong to the most privileged strata of an already privileged country. As we have seen throughout history, you cannot fix a supply side problem with demand-side interventions. That goes for rent control as well as for petrol prices and women programmer. Google is a public company and knows this, but is reacting to incentives as its image as a benevolent, progressive force is essential to maintain its de …
/r/MensRights06/01/20 04:07 PM
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Point taken. But still, I am not sure how overzealous feminism actually trumps celebrating the most brutal killer in history. Besides, we humans are pretty good at seeing what is happening at the moment as far more momentous than it actually is with the benefit of hindsight and historical perspective.
/r/MensRights06/01/20 04:03 PM
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Not sure I understand how that follows. But save for a few glaring but rare instances of cleavage, short skirts, and ridiculously high heels, I think women dress more to one-up and gain approval from other women than anything else. In fact, men often do not even notice - and when they do, they shy away from complimenting women (if they are straight, I guess).
/r/MensRights06/01/20 04:00 PM
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College age, with a predilection for off-beat British humour (which is most of it).
/r/MensRights06/01/20 03:56 PM
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And dont forget Julia Louis Dreyfuss and Veep. Brilliant.
/r/MensRights06/01/20 11:09 AM
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Are there any good comedians that bring in a conservative perspective? Not libertarian (most comedians are libertarian de facto), but conservative? Trevor Noah from the right? Not huffy outrage of the kind you see on Fox, but actual humour?
/r/MensRights06/01/20 11:08 AM
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Would he not hire a woman who identifies as a feminist with the argument that she would have to sell products to men?
/r/MensRights06/01/20 11:06 AM
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I think the reason they come up with these figures is by looking at individual income rather than household income. So my cousin, who has a well-heeled husband and lives on a large estate in South Africa, will come out looking poor because she has had very little income of her own. Same for land ownership, which might formally be in the name of the husband in most cases. That would explain most of it. In fact, if you look at household income, women are faring better than men because single women…
/r/MensRights06/01/20 11:05 AM
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I read somewhere of a country that offers chemical castration as an alternative to a custodial sentence in case of conviction. That would seem reasonable to me.
/r/MensRights06/01/20 11:00 AM
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Is it really true that campuses today are particularly crazy? Has not each period has its own particular kind of crazy? Remember the 60s. Hordes of students were celebrating Chairman Mao, for Christs sake - one of the most evil fascists in history who killed, by some estimates, 10 percent of the population. I remember, from my college years in the US in the 90s, take back the night rallies and students pushing for ethnic studies and riots when Charles Murray was going to speak. I THINK that was …
/r/MensRights06/01/20 10:57 AM
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There is actually no paucity of movies like this, starting of course with Atticus Finch. You can still make them today, especially if you get the other SJW parameters right (race, social class - you of course cannot have a poor black woman wrongly accusing a rich white man). I recommend the Danish movie Jagten (The Hunt): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_(2012_film)) Should be available for free online somewhere (try it in Cyrillic). Not only is Mads Mikkelsen a brilliant actor; it clearly…
/r/MensRights06/01/20 10:50 AM
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I agree with the sentiment, of course, but it is a pity that he would pick the victims of Weinstein as examples to support his narrative. The guy was a disgusting lech at best and a rapist at worst, while plenty of innocent men with less renown have fared much worse because of the extremes of metoo. Lets focus on them.
/r/MensRights06/01/20 10:44 AM
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I would be interested in how people see this documentary now compared to when it was first released? I rewatched parts of it, and I actually found it a bit simplistic compared to when I first watched it. Not sure if that reflects my personal development.
/r/MensRights06/01/20 10:41 AM
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First of all, with apologies for perhaps sounding feminist, I think the premise that women dress up to "impress men" is misguided and actually a bit sexist. I also think I read studies finding that the driving force for women to dress well is to impress, if anyone, other women. I forget how the story went, but I remember finding it credible. ​ I think men and women simply, on average, differ slightly in the areas in which they are competitive. If a man would brag too loudly about his achievement…
/r/MensRights06/01/20 10:39 AM
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Of course, both mens fear of perception and societys insouciance are important and highly interrelated factors. We care perhaps about individual men that we are close to, but not about men as a group. The biggest misconception of feminism, and society is at large, has been the assumption that the privileges, regardless of how you define that term, than men have had and sometimes still have in the public sphere go hand in hand with some kind of overall preference for men as a gender. Deconstruct …
/r/MensRights06/01/20 10:34 AM
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I simply love the fact that Gervais is so popular in the US. When I lived there almost 30 years ago, I found the comedy dumbfoundingly dull - Growing pains and Cosby were the standard, and Simpsons and, I kid you not, a toupeed Murphy Brown were considered edgy - and a sneaker-wearing, sweater tucked into baggy jeans Seinfeld brilliant. PBS decided against broadcasting Absolutely Fabulous, which was brilliant at the time but pretty simplistic in hindsight. ​ Nowadays, comedy in the US is replete…
/r/MensRights06/01/20 10:30 AM
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There are several questions to disentangle, including if there is discrimination; if so where, when, and how; what the harm is; and what can reasonably be done about it. ​ I find it hard to get to the end, namely to say exactly what can be done about it that would not create a range of unintended trade-offs and consequences. ​ I have a good job leading a small team in the public sector. My salary puts me firmly in the upper middle class, and I have reasonable protection in case I fall ill. But I…
/r/MensRights06/01/20 10:25 AM
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While I celebrate the intent, to promote fathers, this line of argumentation bothers me a bit because it appears to confuse correlation and causation. It stands to reason that fatherlessness is more prevalent among the less fortunate segments of society, where of course the kinds of problems cited are more common. I am also keen not to return to a world where "voluntary" (non-widowed) single mothers (and I guess fathers) face broad censure in society - their situations may be unfortunate, but th…
/r/MensRights25/12/19 01:46 PM
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This is also why the equivalent of slut-shaming for men is not shaming promiscuous men, but rather shaming men that do not live up to their gender role: lazy, basement dwelling, cowardly, short - you name it. Think it through: the dynamics are strikingly similar...
/r/MensRights24/12/19 01:41 PM
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I think the main reason why most feminist history gets so much wrong is that they start from the same point and using the same logic as, say, a colonial or African American historian would. this makes them see womens history as one of an oppressed group gradually emerging from subjugation. And yet, this is patently untrue. We beat and killed black slaves and only educated them or gave them food and health care to the extent we needed to to extract value from them. With women, we had chivalry, we…
/r/MensRights24/12/19 01:39 PM
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I think there was one of those youtube social experiments once on how people react to adult men and women crying in public. The gendered reactions were even starker than the ones on verbal and physical violence. A man crying in public, perhaps with the exception of funerals, is viewed with close to no compassion at all by both genders.
/r/MensRights23/12/19 10:47 AM
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Dear all, ​ At first I thought, to be honest, that to be outraged about this was, while not unjustified, a bit silly. ​ Then I started thinking about why, and that led me to speculate that what he is doing is actually downright insulting - not to men, but to WOMEN. ​ Please hear me out about this and let me know what you think. ​ We sometimes hear things along the lines that children are wiser than we are. What we mean by that is that children, in their innocence, sometimes come with refreshing …
/r/MensRights23/12/19 06:35 AM
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First of all, almost all of us struggle to read, let alone try to understand, opinions that go counter to our own. Second, we should distinguish between feminist books that are preaching to the choir and those that have intellectual value on their own merit. As a (moderate) MRA sympathiser, I still find the Second Sex to be one of the seminal philosophical works on gender. Sure, I disagree with many of her conclusions, but I learned a lot - especially by forcing myself to understand exactly wher…
/r/MensRights20/12/19 01:04 PM
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Wow. I am oversimplifying things - and I feel the onus to do so because the tone on this forum celebrates overzealous brevity. Overheating job market: First, this is not an outlier - the same is true in the US, especially in some sector - look at the ridiculous wage growth among IT specialists (wages growing faster than productivity indicates lacking supply). This also applies to the low wage sector: the reason that the introduction of a very large living wage in California did not dent employme…
/r/MensRights20/12/19 10:00 AM
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I have a few cousins who voted for the Sweden Democrats. The issue for them is not as much race, and even not as much the warped impression that they are taking jobs away (in fact, the job market is overheating and if anything we sorely need migrants) as perceived lack of integration. My cousin voices many (to my mind simplistic) objections to the undermining of Swedishness, but he has no problem with his Arab coworkers that speak at least a bit of Swedish and work as hard as he does, or for tha…
/r/MensRights19/12/19 02:54 PM
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Of course we are way off topic, but as you can tell, this is a region I know well and love - and that is often misunderstood on both sides of the debate. So I will just comment on a few things for now: Start of the fall: Pretty much right after Mugabe took over, but the real spiral began in the late 90s with hyperinflation and expropriation and in many cases lethal violence against white farmers (those who had not left by then). Remember that Mandelas takeover was part of a negotiated agreement …
/r/MensRights19/12/19 02:02 PM
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I, along with Christopher Hitchens and a good 30% of my generation, was also a Commie (well, radical social democrat) when I was young. That is part of the process of growing up: it takes time to understand how letting people behave selfishly and interact through markets creates benefits for all - even as it clearly lifts BILLIONS out of poverty. My heart is still on the left, but my brain is liberal (classical liberal for US readers, read basically economic conservative). That does not prove mu…
/r/MensRights19/12/19 12:39 PM
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Well I have low T levels, and I do not think that at all. I just think we need a small but efficient and fair safety net and affordable and excellent health care and education for all. One that costs less than what the US is spending at the moment. That is all.
/r/MensRights19/12/19 11:30 AM
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Size of the economy: Thanks for making me check my facts, which I tried but was too lazy to follow through on. What was definitely true at the time was that it was the richest in Africa and around the Western European average (which might include Spain and Portugal, who were poorer at the time), and about 20% richer than NZ and AUS (which were more or less socialist at the time and poorer than today, where AUS is one of the richest in the world). I do not know if these figures refer to PPP adjus…
/r/MensRights19/12/19 11:24 AM
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He would never have made it all the way to politics, let alone president, if he would say what he thinks. He is a pretty smart guy spouting one heart-warming (in most cases) cliché after another. I am less smart, and also have a job that requires spouting clichés, and I can assure you: I do not really take them seriously (although I try to pick the clichés closest to my beliefs). Much more likely: he says it because he has nothing to lose and everything to gain, including increasing the chances …
/r/MensRights19/12/19 10:32 AM
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He might add: the RIGHT women. Not the likes of Catherine the Great and An San Suu Kyi and Christina Kirchner and Marine Le Pen... or even Margaret Thatcher. It would be silly to get outraged about this. More interesting is to think about why he says it. Hardly out of idealist conviction. My answer: he has almost nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so.
/r/MensRights18/12/19 02:08 PM
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My T levels are probably pretty low, although I fail to see why that would make me a racist, as you intimate. I actually get the kinds of points that Harris makes - it is in fact a problem I work with daily (with development aid for poor countries). I would just consider it wrong to view this issue, let alone what we should do about it, through a simplistic lens of personal responsibility. Blacks are far behind in the US, but actually better off than average in the UK. Moslems are actually thriv…
/r/MensRights18/12/19 12:12 PM
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That is a long story, but basically blatant and gradually worsening mismanagement. Partly this was because Mugabe started out as an avowed Marxist (although it is far from clear what that even means in an African context), partly it was because it was simply politically unfeasible to maintain too much of the economic order that had made Zimbabwe not only the richest country in the world, but richer than countries like New Zealand and Italy. It was a clearly racist order, with racial zoning of ci…
/r/MensRights18/12/19 12:04 PM
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Yes. This was my point exactly.
/r/MensRights16/12/19 02:21 PM
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My point exactly.
/r/MensRights16/12/19 12:12 PM
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In my country, Sweden, we have had government-funded healthcare for almost a century. Our life expectancy is slightly longer, and we spend a third of what the average American does on health care. When I visit my country, I do indeed notice some paternalism - you have to speak to a nurse before you can speak to a doctor or a specialist, you might have to wait a bit for non-essential procedures, and you have little recourse and have to fight a bit in case something goes wrong. But overall, the si…
/r/MensRights16/12/19 10:42 AM
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India is a mystery to me - in many ways, in fact. On the one hand, it is a country widely known for being very dangerous to women. On the other, it is a country with a public debate around many egregious cases of abuse and deprivation of right for men. Perhaps the most startling was the announcement of the Delhi Commission for Women, a firmly feminist organisation, about the blossoming of false accusations, which IT itself estimated at over half. That, I submit, is truly a first. Some of this we…
/r/MensRights16/12/19 10:36 AM
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I am not sure how she arrived at the stats about false rape accusations - perhaps by dividing incidences of rape through the kinds of surveys that came up with the 25% figure (did you ever regret having sex or something like that) with the number of cases of false accusations proven beyond reasonable doubt. That would be clearly false, although I would still concede that the hysteria around false rape accusations is widely exaggerated in some circles (while some caution and common sense among me…
/r/MensRights16/12/19 10:25 AM
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After 9/11, so many people chose to drive instead of flying that mortality rates through vehicle accidents doubled - killing many more people than the attack itself. That is, of course, only one example of how irrationally we reacted to the threat of terror. Same thing here. We should not let a threat like this overwhelm us - only to prod us in the direction of appropriate caution. The same kind of caution, by the way, that women should exercise to minimise the risk for sexual assault (where man…
/r/MensRights16/12/19 10:07 AM
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I am gay and, quite naturally, in favour of gay marriage - based not only on my proclivities but also on basic liberal principles. People should be able to do what they want and take responsibility for it as long as they do not hurt anyone else. And yet, I found the US court decision convicting a baker for refusing to bake a cake for a gay marriage ceremony questionable. I disagreed with the baker, but I would also support, especially if there is enough competition and other alternatives, the fr…
/r/MensRights16/12/19 09:57 AM
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All the Brits I know, and, I submit, most Brits overall, want nothing to do with Phillips feminism, Corbyns socialism, or Johnsons populism. In fact, by any metric, if you would gauge public opinion a very soft Brexit would be by far the most democratic choice. The LibDems is in fact the party that would most closely reflect what, at least upon closer consideration and a better understanding of the facts and the stakes, most people actually support. In the country that, many argue, have spearhea…
/r/MensRights16/12/19 09:50 AM
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I am struggling to find some precision about where MRA and feminists overlap and where they diverge on this. Surely, even radical feminists would agree with some of these messages, but where would they stop agreeing? Male victims of DV as anything but a marginal problem - surely. Men speaking out in a way that could be interpreted as slandering women - probably. But how do they rationalise speaking out against the constraining effect of male gender roles, which we would all agree with, while at …
/r/MensRights16/12/19 09:46 AM
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Does not seem like the healthiest of relationships. Letting her have two seats and to put her head on his lap - that would be a kind gesture. Standing up seems like masochism.
/r/MensRights16/12/19 09:42 AM
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The World Bank is not viewed as a commercial bank, but more as part of a group of ostensibly, but only ostensibly, neoliberal AND colonialist (do not ask what in the world is liberal about colonialism) institutions that impose Western regimes on the developing world. No, I was not working for the Bank, but I was giving a course on measuring productivity for a new Zimbabwean institution. I also have family in South Africa and Namibia who vividly remember the times when Rhodesia was more prosperou…
/r/MensRights16/12/19 08:46 AM
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Wow. Yes, that is exactly the kind of racism I was talking about...
/r/MensRights16/12/19 08:42 AM
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If you use a broad definition of hate speech against men, then yes. Quite often. Nothing serious, and often in a teasing way - but still, of the kind that would be unimaginable with reversed genders in a civil setting. I mostly simply ignore it, or make a comment to bring in some nuance - often with a joke. That mostly takes the edge off, and sometimes makes people see my point (they are, if feminist, mostly of the lazy kind that does not care to vet their assumptions and otherwise have no serio…
/r/MensRights13/12/19 02:27 PM
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While on the topic, anything in Russian?
/r/MensRights13/12/19 02:21 PM
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Wow. I did not expect that. I would like to think that this is a hopeful sign that people can change. But the cynic in me finds it equally likely that this is yet another scream for attention driven by the same narcissism that prompted her to do the mattress stunt in the first place. For me to defeat that inner cynic, I think I would need to hear her apologise to Nungesser (if he is indeed innocent, which is likely but far from certain).
/r/MensRights13/12/19 02:20 PM
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I have not seen many instances of actual misogyny here, but certainly quite a bit of disconcerting generalisations (when discussing an egregious but individual instance of false accusations veering into sweeping statements like how can you trust women, for example). I stopped fighting this - and at any rate, you will find similar semi-hatred and much worse if you frequent feminist fora. The gender debate is highly polarised, and I think it is up to all of us individually to choose how to engage.…
/r/MensRights13/12/19 02:13 PM
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I actually think that what they say about boys is, on average, true, and constitute leading factors behind the supoptimal performance of average (by which I mean average - not a euphemism for below average) boys in school. The problem is rather that this observation often tends to be used as a reason to do nothing rather than to adapt the way we teach boys (and the girls who have similar problems) to maximise impact. I spent my first ten years of schooling doing pretty much nothing - at least fo…
/r/MensRights13/12/19 02:06 PM
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The main reasons for lacking supply of affordable housing are rent control and zoning restrictions. If it were indeed a feminist issues to free up housing markets so that we can stimulate more private investment into housing at all levels, I would be all for it. But I have a sneaky suspicion that the people behind these posters do not take that approach. Sort of like those climate change activists that also oppose by far the cleanest, most reliable, and most effective power source that we have: …
/r/MensRights13/12/19 02:00 PM
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Think about it. This is a girl, clearly autistic, who propounds a kind of dark environmentalism even most climate change activists would not subscribe to, and who has lambasted world leaders about a topic she clearly has little understanding of (saying things like that she could see CO2, an invisible gas, emissions - probably referring to pollution). How can anyone in their right mind then say that any criticism she receives is related to her gender? The populist right wing media has a field day…
/r/MensRights13/12/19 01:56 PM
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Some suicide attempts are simply desperate cries for help. It stands to reason that girls and women are more likely to get the support they need after such cries compared to boys and, especially, men - or at the very least, this is what they probably think. Would that not explain everything and give us a hint of where we need to do something?
/r/MensRights11/12/19 12:43 PM
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Not quite. Gay men have faced violence throughout most of history, and in some countries still do and even face custodial or capital sentences. Lesbians have also faced difficulties, but not on the same scale. We are MUCH more liable to accept women straying outside of gender norms than the other way around.
/r/MensRights06/12/19 03:47 PM
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Of course.
/r/MensRights05/12/19 10:58 AM
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Definitely, and of course the salient narrative of late has gone too far in the direction of demonising masculinity without much nuance. But as a non-gender conforming gay man, I also think it is important to give much more room for men to stray outside their gender roles, just as we already have to a significant extent for women (the standard narrative goes). This does not mean that men on average will change significantly, just like women did not - see the gender paradox. But it does mean that…
/r/MensRights05/12/19 10:57 AM
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There is so much men and women can learn from each other. That is not only a more benevolent, less adversarial way of putting it. It is true. We discuss quite a bit what women can learn from men. Be less worried, but of course not unconcerned, about sexual assault. Take on more responsibility. Stop overobsessing about victimhood. Step up. Show more self confidence, but do so wisely and strategically. But there is just as much men can learn from women. Do not be blinded by beauty, but judge the c…
/r/MensRights04/12/19 06:10 PM
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My warped impression is that they do, at least lately - but again, warped because I of course select what I read and what I do not. But it stands to reason that female perpetrators might receive MORE attention because of their perceived rarity. Do you have any studies or data on the attention cases with male vs female perpetrators receive in media?
/r/MensRights29/11/19 09:50 AM
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This kind of article, highly MRA sympathetic albeit with a few traditional feminist cliches in the mix, is close to imaginable in other northern European countries. Most of the comments in the article are also sympathetic, although that is of course a symptom of the simple fact that a certain group of people are drawn to an article with that headline. But what I find fascinating is that some comments seem to want to overturn the narrative by "reminding" us that 50 years ago women could not take …
/r/MensRights29/11/19 09:48 AM
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I find the picture both hilarious and heart warming. It takes courage for straight men to do this (and I assume he is straight). How on earth is that a sign of lacking testosterone?
/r/MensRights29/11/19 09:41 AM
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It is hard to see how the verdict could have been different. A custodial sentence might be a bit harsh, given that she retracted early and is clearly mentally ill, but from the information we are given it seems pretty clear she was giving false testimony. The only comment says that we should believe the woman. Am I missing something?
/r/MensRights29/11/19 09:39 AM
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This is a particularly dark and unnuanced take on the issue - but it still has some truth to it. Humour makes dealing with hard situations easier; I have just recently become interested in humour during the darker periods of the Soviet Union. And perhaps it is not a coincidence that Jewish people are famous for their dark, quirky witticisms... It is also clearly true that men, on average, are funnier than women. On average, mind you. It is also true that women and men can be funny in different w…
/r/MensRights29/11/19 09:34 AM
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I think it is important to distinguish between causation and correlation here. It seems to me that the driving force was the combination of radically increased agricultural productivity and the industrial revolution: the introduction of fertilisers and mechanisation released massive amounts of labour, which coincided with equally massive demand from booming manufacturing. This meant that people moved to cities, where men worked 12 hours a day outside the home - which made women staying home or w…
/r/MensRights27/11/19 02:26 PM
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There is plenty of that in France, although I have the impression not by far on the same scale as in the English speaking world. But I was talking about Catherine de Neuve: https://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2018/01/09/nous-defendons-une-liberte-d-importuner-indispensable-a-la-liberte-sexuelle_5239134_3232.html The upshot: to have a liberal attitude towards the grey zone between flirting and light harrassment is important to preserve sexual liberty and personal liberty overall. Besides, women …
/r/MensRights27/11/19 12:44 PM
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This is what I find bizarre: It is one thing to claim that there is a difference between sexual assault that involves penetration and assault that does not. I may not agree, but I would also not dismiss this out of hand. It is quite another to claim this WHILE sticking to the very loose definition of sexual assault that underpins the 1 in five statistic (if I remember correctly, it is based on positive responses to questions like have you ever had sex although you did not want to). For one simpl…
/r/MensRights27/11/19 11:42 AM
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In America in particular, one of the gender-related discussions on France that virtually exploded was the actress that advocated for freedom of women to get lightly harassed (se faire importuner - less severe than harassment and with an ambiguous tinge of hedonism, so hard to translate). How was this seen in France, and what would you say are the salient differences in the gender debate there and in the English-speaking world (which is what this forum largely reflects)?
/r/MensRights27/11/19 11:38 AM
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If a company discriminates based on characteristics unrelated to labour productivity, they will pay a prize for doing so and face a disadvantage in competition. This is also why the gender earnings gap cannot stem from discrimination, not even in parts. So yes, I think they should be allowed to discriminate against men. They will pay the price for doing so.
/r/MensRights26/11/19 01:48 PM
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This actually should stand to reason. Women will have far fewer inhibitions to hit a man (lightly) than the other way around. I am actually surprised the incidence of female perpetration is not closer to 95%. Of course, it also stands to reason that light violence against a woman from a man is much more threatening than the other way around. A man who has lost his inhibitions can indeed be dangerous. So while I find it egregious that DV against male victims (overall, and with female perpetrators…
/r/MensRights26/11/19 12:56 PM
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He is toeing the line, of course. But nothing egregious so far.
/r/MensRights25/11/19 12:53 PM
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That is of course an exaggeration, but true enough to make me uncomfortable. The problem is - the US right is infected to. That leaves myself, and, I submit, most Americans with a pretty terrible choice indeed.
/r/MensRights25/11/19 12:52 PM
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And there goes one of the last ostensibly competent, centrist, and nuanced Democratic candidates. Buttigeig - our last hope? My God, if they do not manage to beat Trump, then all bets are off.
/r/MensRights22/11/19 12:19 PM
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Look at the top 10 or 20 MRA issues. I would guess that ALL of them, at least in the US, affect black men more than white, Jewish, and Asian men (white plus?). Suicide. Drug addiction. DV. False accusations. That correlates with blacks socioeconomic status, regardless of how much you think racism is involved. So how could anyone think that there is some kind of inherent opposition between the fight against racism and the fight for mens rights? In fact, can someone explain to me how police violen…
/r/MensRights22/11/19 12:17 PM
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I submit to you that history repeats itself. It might have put on a different hat, added some lipstick - but it is essentially the same phenomenon. The same goes for the current attack on masculinity. It is simply not that different from, say, the view of genders in the middle east (the only way to prevent men from ravaging women is to cover women up in black and make a lifelong commitment to marriage the only way to get access to sex and reproduction) or in the popular imagination of Victorian …
/r/MensRights22/11/19 12:11 PM
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Remember NOW also wanted to abolish alimony and large child support payments, seeing it as a necessary step towards liberating women, back in the 70s? The difference is: American feminism reversed course as the women in the radical 70s generation changed their minds after having children; Swedish feminism did not. Swedish feminism can still be pretty wacky. Just not in this respect.
/r/MensRights21/11/19 03:22 PM
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Parental leave is 18 months at 70% of salary up to 2-3 k USD a month, out of which 3 months have to be taken by the father (or mother). I think the left wants to up that to 6, but not sure. The invective against - and celebration of - Sweden in the US debate is indeed puzzling. Though I do not live in Sweden, and though integration of immigrants is a concern, we are not at risk of going under any time soon. We are also far from a Socialist Utopia - we have low corporate taxes, one of the most li…
/r/MensRights21/11/19 03:20 PM
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Yes, this was the cool thing to do in the 70s... and since I guess Scandinavians just got used to it. And thanks for the refreshing reminder of the original meaning of bastard...
/r/MensRights21/11/19 03:13 PM
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Again, I have no data on this, but out of many divorced couples in Sweden that I know, none are estranged. In the US - more than half. Hard to imagine that the much more adversarial legal system in the US is the sole cause, but there you are...
/r/MensRights21/11/19 03:12 PM
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Of course they do. But note how adding white men matter to the text would immediately make it susceptible to dismissal and vitriol. Besides, we should not necessarily care about successful people, but marginalised ones - which the poster mentions. I can touch and feel the disadvantages that men have every day. I struggle to find the ones I have as a white person; and what I find, I can handle. I do not want to dismiss racism against whites, but I hope we could separate the issues of racism and s…
/r/MensRights21/11/19 02:30 PM
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It is indeed a struggle - and we all have trade-offs to face. At work, I can be much more open about being gay than about sympathising with MRA concerns. But my reticence is not only about keeping my job - it is also about my own peace of mind. I sympathise, but I would be a much less content person if I would harp on about every single instance of injustice that I see with my MRA glasses on. What I find particularly astonishing is that, when I do raise a few concerns, I often meet people (far f…
/r/MensRights21/11/19 02:25 PM
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I am from Sweden, where out of wedlock births are only a bit lower than that - perhaps 50%. However, this figure is a bit misleading, as about half of the couples I know simply do not marry. The trend peaked in the 80s (the 70s generation), and has flagged since. We should also keep in mind that both Iceland and Sweden have default shared custody in divorce cases, permanent alimony is abolished, and child support payments rare (and capped at modest rates). So I would rather be a father in Icelan…
/r/MensRights21/11/19 02:21 PM
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Weird question. If another man punched me, I would also not hit back - it would be an absolute last resort, and only if my own life or that of someone close to me could depend on it. Gender would be pretty irrelevant, apart from the fact that, everything else being equal, an aggressive woman may seem less threatening than a man.
/r/MensRights21/11/19 02:17 PM
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Slight downside: if the Democrats manage to oust Trump, which I hope for reasons unrelated to mens rights, it will be pretty easy for them to drop the initiative, dismissing it as another Trump antic. You know, the baby and, in this case, several swimming pools of bathwater.
/r/MensRights21/11/19 02:06 PM
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One more study in this direction - without negative slant. Perhaps the most striking: Two thirds of self-reported victims indicated having considered suicide; about half self-harm. I think this may be too high to constitute a reasonable assumption that we could apply to all male DV victims of varying degrees and abuse, and probably a result of self-selection - that is, the survivors that they could find were ones with the degree of suffering and wherewithal to become engaged. But even so, the fi…
/r/MensRights21/11/19 02:04 PM
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This makes sense, albeit a bit overstated at times - and we should not forget that, by far, class and wealth were much more important as determinants of power (and still are) than gender. Much more. So I can only add a few observations. First, I find the history of how, when, and why women have exercised power throughout history very interesting - and there is actually quite a bit of interesting womens studies scholarship on this (if you manage to ignore some of the commentary). It was, for inst…
/r/MensRights19/11/19 12:56 PM
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I find it exceedingly difficult to voice even modest, highly fact-based dissent without immediately incurring the suspicion of anything from frustration to outright misogyny. Not only around inveterate feminists; among people in general. Even conservatives, who might delight in ridicule at yet another loony feminist initiative, blanch at the mere suggestion that DV affects men to any significant, let alone equal, extent. You can send them as many links as you want; most find it much easier to di…
/r/MensRights15/11/19 03:41 PM
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Vagina loosening from sex appears to be a myth; from childbirth - partially true... ​ https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325890.php#childbirth
/r/MensRights15/11/19 02:25 PM
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There are a few men only rentals, at least de facto. But overall, this is definitely a minority. I think the reason is pretty simple. Women are much more likely to prefer other women as roommates than men are to prefer other men (in fact, many men might prefer women to men). Similarly, landlords and -ladies perceive, perhaps not quite without foundation, female tenants to pose a lower risk than male tenants (of course, class and race probably play a larger role than gender here). So this is no s…
/r/MensRights15/11/19 12:26 PM
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Perhaps a parallel to this paranoid version of an understandable reaction is men recording sexual encounters (or asking partners to sign contracts or other things along those lines). Is that the fault of women as a group? I hope few would claim that (though I know some might). In fact, I would prefer it not only that women became a bit less paranoid, but also that men became a bit more cautious about exposing themselves to danger, be it violence or false accusations or job loss.
/r/MensRights15/11/19 10:35 AM
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Even if there is some truth to the assumption that trauma increases the potential for aggression (I find it a stretch but not inconceivable), what is still stunning is that she completely ignores the first part: the fact that people have suffered trauma. It is like writing an article about how men are suffering because their wives killed themselves.
/r/MensRights15/11/19 10:32 AM
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This is confusing, as I also seem to remember that women under 30 outearn men. So something cannot be right. I would also expect that it is slightly harder for men to find accommodation, both in terms of price and lead time. The reason is simple: landlords and roommates prefer, everything else being equal, women, as they think they are more likely to be orderly and reliable. I admit to this myself. This preference might be relatively small, but arithmetically, even a 51% preference can make a su…
/r/MensRights15/11/19 10:27 AM
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This belongs to the pretty small category of sexist jokes that I think men actually deserve :) BTW just out of curiosity, is there any truth to the big vagina story at all?
/r/MensRights15/11/19 10:13 AM
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I find it a bit misleading, and perhaps unfair, to reduce the problems (successful) women report on finding a mate as an obsession about money. It is of course true to some extent, but, anecdotally, I think there is more to the story. Among the people I know, something like 50% are couples where the woman makes less or, often when children are small, is not working at all. Another 30% are couples where both make about the same. 20% are ones where the woman makes more. But when I think about thos…
/r/MensRights15/11/19 10:10 AM
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I have gotten banned completely for saying things much, much more innocuous than that - and at times for having the chutzpah to visit this forum alone. Not sure what you expected what happened in such a vile exchange.
/r/MensRights15/11/19 09:59 AM
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The argument is that people (mostly women, but also men in nursing, psychology, child care) are discouraged from occupations typically referred to using a gendered term, such as Krankenschwester (nurse, literally care sister). Many people buy this; and I see the plausibility - only because I am trained in linguistics do I know that there is almost no empirical evidence for this assumption. But I also know its an illusion to believe that empirical science drives policy making...
/r/MensRights14/11/19 05:28 PM
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As I am not really participating in this forum to convince people, but rather to observe and learn, please allow me to select a few points that you raise. The power of feminism: I have to disagree strongly here. Feminism does not represent women any more than KKK represents white people. Womens votes also barely align with their objectives; in the US, I think, more women are pro-life than pro-choice. However, I would agree that feminism can get substantial power from the assumption, even among n…
/r/MensRights14/11/19 05:24 PM
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Which is of course fine, as this would compensate for birthing and taking care of children that women traditionally do. But of course, as women enter well paid positions, they should also on average assume more of this responsibility. The macro data clearly shows that this is only partially the case. This issue is patent, but not even MRAs discuss it. Instead, we appear to obsess about debunking the wage gap, which is a bit like Richard Dawkins debating cardinals - you cannot beat religion, defi…
/r/MensRights14/11/19 12:16 PM
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You might actually find that those that are lying are LESS likely to retract than actual victims. I find it fully understandable that a victim would not like to go through the torment that even a benevolent legal process would entail, while those that lie might actually enjoy the attention in some cases. What else explains the stark fact that so many metoo accusations have turned out to be anything from trivial to outright false, while at the same time we have 100 k rape convictions, presumably …
/r/MensRights14/11/19 12:11 PM
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Except of course the words for garbage collector, perpetrator, rapist, and nurse...
/r/MensRights13/11/19 12:28 PM
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I think most MRA problems have most to do with those exact same gender roles. Feminism is not powerful enough to, say, dampen awareness of male victims of domestic violence - they are only able to do so because the mere notion is alien, especially to those of a tradcon bent. So feminism might be holding things back, but they are not by themselves the biggest challenge. We are talking about a movement that enjoys less than 10% support, which probably drops to 1% if you bring up examples of femini…
/r/MensRights13/11/19 10:33 AM
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Pretty much replacing every single noun that describes a person - nationality, occupation, convictions - with a specifically created gender neutral one. Of course, this assumes some kind of mandate, but this is not how languages change over time. Native speakers can be pretty recalcitrant.
/r/MensRights13/11/19 10:26 AM
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I actually think most feminists do. However, many of the prominent ones do not. The rest either remain silent or become dissenters like Cassie Jaye.
/r/MensRights13/11/19 10:24 AM
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...which is why rendering the language gender neutral is a tall order indeed. Yet many radicals are pushing for mandating gender neutral language, with the rest pushing back only at points when things become ridiculous. And this in a country highly suspicious of a strong state for obvious historical reasons... Fascinating to follow. My academic background is in linguistics, and the idea that language, most of which is grammar, influences thinking and assumptions has been repeatedly debunked. The…
/r/MensRights13/11/19 10:23 AM
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I do not, as a matter of fact, think that it is a problem that society is not explicitly telling us that we do not need women and that we should be able to "enjoy" a career. I think it is clear that both of those hold true to some extent. But I fully agree on the latter bit: staying home and take care of children remains a distant option for most men. I am still puzzling a bit about why MGTOW has encountered such broad censure and ridicule. It appears to be less about men exercising this option …
/r/MensRights13/11/19 10:19 AM
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I am Swedish. You are right, the word for rapist is valdtaktsMAN, with no acceptable female variation (you would have to use a generic term such as forovare, offender). We also use the word gärningsMAN for perpetrator, with the gender neutral gärningsPERSON still sounding awkward (despite making some headway). French has violeur, with the female form violeuse close to unheard of. Same situation in German, Vergewaltiger vs VergewaltigerIN, the latter sounding bizarre. In the still relatively few …
/r/MensRights12/11/19 07:02 PM
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Just imagine if feminism instead would have told women that: - You do not always need men; - Men and women are more alike than you may think; - Feel free to enjoy life a bit before having children; - You can have a career, or children, or both - just keep in mind that there are trade-offs. My point is: these messages do have points that are important and useful, but they should not be taken into extremes. All you need is a pinch of salt and common sense...
/r/MensRights12/11/19 06:56 PM
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Coming back from the UK this morning, I read an article in The Times, a center right outlet, about how more than half of rape accusations are retracted by the victims themselves. It is hard to see how, on the one hand, a society can be this overzealous, while on the other having a system that is so daunting to victims. I cannot make sense out of it, but clearly, hysteria and polarisation are doing little of actual value to victims. At the same time, based on the article, it seems like a mediated…
/r/MensRights12/11/19 06:51 PM
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Take pretty much any of the top 20 MRA issues, and you will find feminists that have addressed them with at least some sympathy. Some, such as paternity leave, prominently; others, such as false accusations and male DV victims, less so - but still. The reason is simple: our common challenge is to mitigate the negative effects of gender roles, and hence issues are intertwined. The problem, I submit, is that feminism has to cater not only to this instinct, but also de facto serves as a lobby group…
/r/MensRights12/11/19 06:44 PM
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Unfortunately, I think they rejected it more to stick it to the left than out of any genuine concern for mens rights.
/r/MensRights02/11/19 07:49 AM
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This cannot be a surprise. If you assume that there are more male candidates than female, especially for coding and related work, and if the company is strenuously looking to hire women, then it HAS to be the case that they end up paying women more, either directly through salaries or through perks or both. This is a pretty basic insight for anyone with a modicum of economics training. So basic that what should astonish us is that anyone would find this state of affairs astonishing.
/r/MensRights02/11/19 07:49 AM
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I am perfectly fine if people want to think women are smarter than men. In fact, for some areas of intelligence I might even agree. What bothers me is the assumption that women are so weak that only if they think they are smarter than men, rather than, say, as smart as men, they will not be able to find the self-confidence to succeed. Remind me again how this approach is an empowering departure from the (bad) old days?
/r/MensRights28/10/19 11:39 AM
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Oh oh. I have been using alprazolam (xanax, same group as clonazepam) for years now at a rate of about twice a week. I cannot sleep without it while travelling for work, but so far I can with no problem on weekends. Should I be worried? I used to be on opiates for several years, and that took a year to get over completely. Nothing as strong as morphine, but still. I am now able to manage pain with 30 minutes of yoga a day.
/r/MensRights24/10/19 07:49 AM
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It would not even cross anyones mind to mock a woman for crying. The most I have seen in that direction is us mocking feminists - but they have typically done quite a bit to trigger such a reaction even among a group of basement dwelling misogynists (replace with the calumny of the day if needed).
/r/MensRights24/10/19 07:46 AM
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You are right, of course, although to be fair it is not all feminists saying all of that. What I do not quite see emerging is a clear MRA response to the question of what masculinity is, what is working, and what is not. Most opinions in that direction tend to be more of a negative reaction to feminist dogma or misunderstandings (and to a limited extent, kernels of truth), rather than a coherent set of productive ideas.
/r/MensRights17/10/19 01:43 PM
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I am all for men being, on average, less masculine - and for women to pick up some of the slack. But part of being less masculine is to also speak out against victimisation of your own group. The problem is if she then turns around and dismisses MRA concerns as whining. I am not assuming she did so; it just would not surprise me.
/r/MensRights17/10/19 08:26 AM
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Even though, as a European, I am all for gun control, especially for convicted criminals and abusers, I am sad to see Klobuchar, one of the most reasonable and capable among the Democratic candidates, jump on this bandwagon.
/r/MensRights17/10/19 08:24 AM
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My temporary boss, a woman, once in a meeting told me about a meeting her boss had had with Sergey Lavrov. She then paused, looked at me (I was relatively new), and explained "He is the ministry of foreign affairs of Russia". For context: I have a job where it would be surprising if I did not know who Lavrov was. Especially since he has been around for over a decade. What do we call this? Same benevolent but condescending tone that perhaps this passer-by picked up on. Wrong genders.
/r/MensRights17/10/19 08:20 AM
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I am sorry to hear that. I guess that you divorced 7 years ago and, despite court agreed arrangements for visitation and custody, you barely managed to spend time with her? How did you speak out about it, and what was the response you received? What did your lawyer advise you?
/r/MensRights14/10/19 05:04 PM
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The difference appears to be more than men are taught not to talk too much about the sacrifices they make. Not sure I am spot on on this, because men boast all the time from where I stand. Anyone want to help me with a bit more precision? (Edit: men might boast about their achievements more than women on average, but are perhaps much less likely to gripe about or call for action to remedy situations where they have been victimised, slighted, or mistreated. That would make more sense. )
/r/MensRights14/10/19 09:02 AM
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Well given that many people can be patronising assholes, along with any number of other harmful traits, the question is: are you worrying so much that you are deliberately staying clear of women that are educated (I assume you mean more than yourself)? I also think we can muster a bit more distance and understanding of where that ostensibly patronising attitude comes from - one which I have observed myself among people I care about, albeit from a safe distance (I am gay - in this case, I might p…
/r/MensRights14/10/19 09:00 AM
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We often hear that men feel intimidated by strong - in this context read: better educated or higher earning - women. To me, this seems like one of those things that most of us believe, but for which there is not by far as much anecdotal or empirical evidence as we would expect. Rather, from the little I have observed, the problem is more that it is difficult for women to respect lesser earning or lesser educated men. In fact, many of my female friends admit something like this openly. And this a…
/r/MensRights11/10/19 04:06 PM
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Here in Europe, the simple fact that ability to use manual transmission is an issue at all, let alone portrayed as taking up substantial brain capacity, is fascinating in and of itself. Apart from that, this kind of humour, a classic example of blowing kernels of truth out of proportion while ignoring others, is something I think we can handle. There are worse problems out there.
/r/MensRights09/10/19 01:05 PM
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Oh I am not worried about offending feminists, at least the active ones of the kind we discuss in this forum. The problem is that a relatively radical stance, such as dismissing the wage gap as a myth wholesale, will alienate a much broader group than that. Most people will hear: there is a wage gap; someone says it is a myth; they must be crazy because the stats prove the earnings differential. And they will not think further about the issue. I see striking similarities to the climate change di…
/r/MensRights08/10/19 03:54 PM
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Except, of course, you make it easy to be dismissed as a radical with the cavalier observation of the earnings data. Most people will not think beyond that, and putting MRA-type statements in a handy drawer of misogyny and right wing extremism is too easy anyway.
/r/MensRights07/10/19 02:00 PM
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The scariest thing is this: the cases of (malicious and intended) false accusations that we hear about mostly seem to involve this kind of stupidity. If someone truly thinks sending herself messages will hold up to any level of judicial scrutiny, then stupid IS the appropriate adjective. So what about the false accusers that are NOT stupid? Put a little thought into your move, and you should have a pretty good chance of succeeding, if not to obtain a conviction, at the very least to avoid facing…
/r/MensRights07/10/19 09:25 AM
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You know what, maybe she is right. The point is: this should be an empirical question. We have pretty good tools out there to assess the differences and similarities. Why dont we try them out? Or perhaps we have already done so?
/r/MensRights07/10/19 09:21 AM
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We should perhaps be a bit more precise. It is not that the wage gap is a myth, it is that earnings differentials between men and women on average stem largely, or in any substantial part, from discrimination that is a myth. Bizarrely, many feminists recognise this - they are just unwilling to let go of the sledgehammer that this myth presents.
/r/MensRights07/10/19 09:18 AM
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"Men Leave: Separation And Divorce Far More Common When The Wife Is The Patient." Here is the link https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091110105401.htm I really do not have a good explanation, let alone one with the appropriate MRA tinge to it, for this pretty striking disparity. Anyone?
/r/MensRights07/10/19 09:08 AM
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Has anyone looked into the statistics about cancer abandonment? What can we deduce from them? They do not match my own experience, which admittedly is anecdotal at best (my father took care of my mother for 30 years). Marriage is one of the much vaunted cultural universals, meaning that they exist in some form in all human societies. Their primary function is to ensure the survival of the tribe by providing women and children the protection, shelter, and sustenance they needed to maximise chance…
/r/MensRights04/10/19 02:28 PM
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Am I understanding this correctly: are they calling people who exercise benevolent sexism, aka chivalry, misogynists?
/r/MensRights03/10/19 02:53 PM
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Maybe you are right, which would be sad. But maybe this is de facto not happening systematically either - I fly every week and have never witnessed it. Contrary to, say, sexual assault, this is an event with scores of witnesses each time. If the aggrieved men themselves are not speaking out, at least some of the passengers would, right? I know I would - and I am the type that typically prefers to let things go and keep my peace of mind.
/r/MensRights03/10/19 09:09 AM
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Really? Some clearly are making noise about it; and this is one of the few issues that I would speak out about openly (I work in an environment where at most I can dodge the extremes of feminist dogma, but broadly have to find ways to work within that framework - although of course I cannot claim that this is the result of a concerted feminist campaign rather than a result of overall societal attitudes), not only in internet fora, if I witnessed it or if it happened to me. This is also clearly c…
/r/MensRights02/10/19 08:52 AM
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I dont either, as I think if something that egregious happened I should have heard about it. So the question then remains: why are profit-seeking companies in a competitive market behaving this irrationally? Discrimination and prejudice are not sufficient answers, as, at least in theory, competition would make those unsustainable. And clearly something sustains this.
/r/MensRights01/10/19 03:03 PM
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Wow. The fact that this kind of callousness is even close to the realm of acceptable discourse is indeed astonishing. It is one thing that people might think it; quite another that they can go out there with these opinions and receive any kind of support. I assume that while I can tweet something about how women should stay at home and about how black people are lazy, I would also immediately encounter broad censure - and deservedly so. I think that the reason men and boys chose more violent, or…
/r/MensRights30/09/19 10:35 AM
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I am from Sweden working abroad - in an environment where people are astonished that I am not celebrating her. That is not quite true. She is 16 years old and slightly autistic and has managed, for reasons not quite clear to me, to create such a storm. The problem is, how do you then deal with her arguments? She has made mistakes, perfectly understandable for a 16 year old, that reasonable people cannot simply let stand as arguments in a policy debate about such an important issue, such as sayin…
/r/MensRights30/09/19 10:20 AM
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If Dershowitz, or anyone for that matter, would interrupt a rally on violence against women with the issue of false accusations, then while I would not agree that creates a hostile environment, I would at least be able to muster some sympathy for the notion. But in a law class, educating people who are supposed to adjudicate these already thorny issues, it has to be part of the curriculum.
/r/MensRights30/09/19 09:20 AM
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Read the IPCC report. The executive summary will reflect Gretas claims. The body of the report will not. And this is only the dissent among members of IPCC, which have obviously been selected based on political criteria. Many disagree completely. And that is natural, because it is a highly complex topic of which we at the end of the day know very little - we are, for instance, only at the beginning of understanding something as basic but for this purpose essential as the dynamics of cloud format…
/r/MensRights27/09/19 05:03 PM
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Of course. If you have read up on MRA issues, you will probably not find anything new - but her honesty and personal narrative is touching. People slam the documentary for its flaws (sometimes with justification; often not), but I think its flaws are actually part of its charm. More importantly, get your friends to watch it.
/r/MensRights27/09/19 04:23 PM
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While I broadly agree with the standard narrative on climate change, I find what is happening not only something akin to child abuse (she is 16 and autistic, for Heavens sake), but counterproductive. She is making exactly the kind of mistakes that you would expect from a passionate sixteen year old advocate. She is touting extremely uncertain horror scenarios as facts. She claims that she can see CO2 emissions in the air (it is of course invisible). And she asks people to listen to scientists, f…
/r/MensRights27/09/19 04:19 PM
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I do not disagree about the concern around family values per se, except when it veers into opposing gay marriage or demonising single parents, which it sometimes does - and I would be against similar extremism coming from the left. Where we diverge is perhaps on this: I think we are talking about unfortunate side effects of global trends that ultimately boil down to individual decisions and options that I, as a liberal, do not think the government should influence or regulate. For instance, coup…
/r/MensRights27/09/19 03:58 PM
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I had absolutely no intention of ascribing opinions to you. But of course, the simple fact that you interpreted it that way is a sign of how difficult it is to hold productive political debates, even if we are not far apart by any measure, in today's climate (not only in the US; increasingly here in Europe). In fact, I agree with you on most of the points above. A bit less so on family values; fully on lobbying and other aspects of deterioration of free, competitive markets. The main difference …
/r/MensRights27/09/19 03:18 PM
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All very interesting. More and more off-topic, but still. As someone from Europe with a centre / centre-right persuasion who has lived in the US for six years, I cannot stop myself from following developments closely. You make many points, each of which is worthy of a discussion on its own. So please allow me to cherry pick a few that piqued my interest. Mens rights are hyperprogressive: Indeed, there IS an argument to be made that feminism is in fact reactionary. As a society, we have long sinc…
/r/MensRights26/09/19 12:01 PM
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Indeed, it is hard to imagine this, surrounded by people. Maybe some "accidental" touching? My flying experiences are replete with unwanted physical contact. The issue, then, is: if there is no or precious little evidence that this is an issue, why in the world would an airline shoot itself in the foot like this? The sector is ruthlessly competitive. They need to keep planes in the air most of the time, causing delays that already piss people off enough. Why add to it? And perhaps even more impo…
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:06 AM
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What I do not get is this: BA is a listed company that wants to make money. In a highly competitive market. Pissing off customers is expensive: a satisfied customer tells on average one person about his or her experience; a miffed one - ten. No idea where I read that, but anecdotally, it seems credible. And as someone who has to travel several times a month and has learned that letting things go is best, if only for my personal sanity, experiencing something like this is one of the few instances…
/r/MensRights25/09/19 03:02 PM
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Shapiro makes me cringe when he talks about gay marriage, abortion, and immigration. On most other points, however, he can be astonishingly spot-on... the problem is, the people most likely to listen to him are the ones that agree with him on the cringeworthy points. Too bad.
/r/MensRights25/09/19 02:34 PM
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We are now officially off topic. But it is a fascinating topic that you, and many, are clearly passionate about. And although I would have been a Democrat if I were American (albeit a dissenting one on many issue), I actually find more conservatives with whom to have sensible discussions on this issue. Although, of course, the few US conservatives I know also share my aversion to Trump, are highly educated, and have lived abroad - so not necessarily a cross section. Kasich: I picked him delibera…
/r/MensRights25/09/19 02:23 PM
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One of the campaigns on the right, or even alt-right, lately that has made me cringe was the blanket opposition to the exaggerated campaigns on the left not only against fat-shaming, but for some kind of glorification of obesity in some cases. Sure, activists on the left exaggerate, as activists of all stripes often do. But we also have to keep in mind that obese people are reminded daily of how they look - making them even less likely to muster the strength to invest in their health. They deser…
/r/MensRights24/09/19 11:41 AM
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Good. And from the Dept of Human Rights, which I can only assume is pretty left-wing. We bring up our girls not to worry about overstepping these lines (and rather worry about other things), but, as I am sure feminists would agree if pushed, we all need to be aware of all sides of the issue. True, we are not going to go as far as perceiving male victims as as important (or numerous as female ones, but I think overall, through the din of polarisation and outrage, we are seeing steps in the right …
/r/MensRights24/09/19 11:36 AM
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Hardcore feminist or not, if your account is correct and complete and there are witnesses, you have a clear-cut case. Your parents should take it forward.
/r/MensRights24/09/19 11:31 AM
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...and the ones that would cross the aisle, such as, to mention a few Democratic contenders, Klobuchar and Buttigeig, have only a few percent of support. Those on the right, such as Kasich (very conservative, but also pragmatic), stay out altogether. Not only that, contenders like Warren and Harris are becoming much more extreme than they, based on their previous record and possession of common sense and intelligence, actually are. Or does Kamala Harris actually believe that Biden is racist?? An…
/r/MensRights24/09/19 11:27 AM
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To me, it seems that whenever the right in the US (which is a unique animal) aligns with mens rights concerns, the driving force is a wish to stick it to the (extreme) left rather than actual sympathy for men (or to be more precise: men much less fortunate than I am, albeit for reasons other than my gender). They might rally against the political campaign against Kavanaugh, but on issues where taking a stand would not mean hurting the left tangibly, such as resources for and awareness about male…
/r/MensRights24/09/19 11:21 AM
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For us Europeans, presidents getting their dicks sucked is, at most, a source of amusement. Look at the antics of Sarkozy and even Hollande while in office. Sure, Clinton was a lech, but the obsession around it on the right, and the silence on an even back then sexual assault obsessed left (in contrast to, say Anita Hill), comes across as a bit bizarre. In my limited experience, partisanship was already around - Reagan was much reviled, and Bush Senior would have been as well if it were not for …
/r/MensRights21/09/19 03:36 PM
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I first came to the US during the reign of Bush senior. I was in a left-wing environment, and of course we moaned about having a Republican president - and relished mocking the antics of Quayle. But we did not dismiss, disrespect, or even hate him anywhere near the extent we now do Trump (and to a lesser but still significant extent, Obama). He was still the President. He did his job. And he was clearly both pragmatic and centrist; what brought him down was more his lack of the astonishing chari…
/r/MensRights21/09/19 07:37 AM
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I am not an American. But I lived there and follow politics more closely than I do in my country of origin. It is not only important, but utterly fascinating. I am also a conservative. A European conservative, with more focus on economic and social liberalism (in the true sense of the word), small but efficient government, and creating economic opportunities for all. I find free markets work best, with exceptions for defense, health care, and some basic mechanisms to make sure people can take ad…
/r/MensRights20/09/19 11:11 AM
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To be fair, that may be because you do not know the women (and men) at the bottom of society. Still, I would agree I see more frustration among ambitious women than among housewives... although from an MRA perspective, I think women sharing the burden of work outside of the house is overall a good thing, as is the rapidly growing, albeit from a miniscule base, share of fathers as primary care givers. The part of feminism I can fully agree with is that both men and women should have more choices;…
/r/MensRights19/09/19 04:41 PM
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Wow. That was a murky take on things. Many kernels of truth, but surely the overall picture is not that bleak by far. But I take issue with her assumption that womens growing participation in the labour market at all levels is a result of feminism. The driving force certainly was the rapidly growing need for formal labour in the economy. The first wave we saw during the second world war in both Europe and the US, with women chipping in to replace conscripted soldiers - and many staying on in the…
/r/MensRights19/09/19 04:38 PM
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As I understand it, if you were a woman in a relationship you would also be denied? The issue seems to be more that a single father (of modest means) would not qualify. Not too many of them, for better or for worse, but still...
/r/MensRights19/09/19 03:40 PM
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It is not a coincidence that India is also, especially outside of cities and the upper classes, extremely gender role conservative - and, by many metrics, a place where sexual assault is relatively widespread (also with many male victims, especially anal rape of actual or suspected gay men). The logic behind all of this is an insidiously conservative one: women are seen as "giving" sex on the condition of securing provision (which they also, at least until recently needed, as not being a virgin …
/r/MensRights19/09/19 03:37 PM
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Assuming Justin exists, which I think is fair, the question is: so what? I could find victims of rape who have managed to get on with their lives. In fact, I know more than one. That does not mean that is the case for everyone, as I am sure all would agree.
/r/MensRights19/09/19 02:48 PM
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This is an honest question, not a rhetorical one (although no matter how I phrase it, it may come across as the latter): What in the world about men's rights is not liberal (in the actual sense) or progressive (read liberal in the US sense)? We are talking about giving fathers rights, male victims of sexual and domestic violence, and reducing male disposability - all of which are contrary to the typical conservative view of wanting to retain social order and institutions (or at least slow down c…
/r/MensRights19/09/19 02:43 PM
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In last weeks Economist, they actually found the opposite: even leading outlets like WP now cover relatively minor mishaps of the Biden candidacy, while putting Trumps obvious lie about hurricanes in Alabama on page 9. The reason is that incidents like the latter are so common that they have, in part, become old news - and there is only so far you can ride on another wave of outrage. So purely statistically, even center-left media should hurt Democrats more than Republicans. Which of course is d…
/r/MensRights17/09/19 04:39 PM
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I dont get the problem. There are many good female writers out there. Feels like half, or even more. And literature and journalism have been one of the few fields that saw a small but critical mass of women contribute throughout history. Early 19th century Britains arguably best writer was Jane Austen, and a century later Roosevelt called Ida Tarbell, who exposed the monopolistic machinations of Rockefeller and others, the best journalist in the country. If there is any area where women do not n…
/r/MensRights13/09/19 03:37 PM
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As a man in a professional, suit-wearing environment, I would love to have the airconditioning set a few degrees higher in exchange for the privilege of not having to walk around in a dark suit all day. The problem is, I do not have that choice. My female colleagues, however, can choose if they want to wear a business suit or something much lighter.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 10:07 AM
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The logic is very simple. A man who remarries tends to be able to find second and third wives in large parts because of their income and social status compared to the woman. When they then divorce, assets are shared in some way, which on average benefits the woman compared to her previous status. Women, on the other hand, tend to find their second and third husbands because of their beauty. So the outcome should not surprise anyone. Least of all feminists...
/r/MensRights13/09/19 10:04 AM
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I find the figure astonishing - and I am someone who is reasonably aware of the problem. And NYT bringing this up is, of course, welcome. But I cant get rid of that sneaking suspicion that what drives this is less a growing concern for the problems that many men face and more the fact that it leaves intact the narrative that it is men who are the perpetrators. Male victims of female perpetrators still linger, with quite some distance, on the bottom rungs of the victim hierarchy.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 10:01 AM
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As an economist, I find that you can explain most of human behaviour in a very simple fashion: people react to incentives. And, unfortunately, most measures that we can take to cater to victims of sexual assault also create such incentives - ranging from revenge over attention to monetary awards (I think in some places purported victims receive compensation regardless of outcome, simply based on the claim). In fact, what concerns me even more is that the people that respond to those incentives m…
/r/MensRights13/09/19 09:58 AM
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Would someone mind updating me about cancel culture?
/r/MensRights13/09/19 09:47 AM
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Not giving women a hard time about their weight is a matter of common courtesy. The problem is that we are struggling with extending that common courtesy to men - and men do not speak up because it is contrary to the expectations of their gender role and makes them easy targets for the kind of slander you mention. The differences are more in the points of vulnerability: women are more vulnerable about their weight, age, and looks; and men about their social status and income.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 09:46 AM
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I could imagine, but of course not agree with, many fathers reacting that way... if the boy was 17. Or even 15. But 11...??? And of course, he is creating in his boy exactly the kind of cavalier attitude that may hurt women in many ways in the future.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 09:42 AM
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Wow. That face. I have never seen, and could barely imagine, a male pedophile who, after having been caught, displays such an attitude. Funny enough, I could imagine a murderer doing so, but not a pedophile.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 09:39 AM
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From an evolutionary perspective, this standard makes perfect sense. Women control scarce resources for reproduction, which from this perspective is our major driving force, while male sperm is plentiful. Hence, a vagina is inordinately more valuable than a penis, and throughout history genetic studies show less than half of men actually ended up procreating. From a moral perspective, of course, it is reprehensible, as almost all would agree. But it is hard to see how this would change more than…
/r/MensRights12/09/19 11:38 AM
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...and, I think, tend to be more attracted to attractive women with the personality type to react that way than to the female version of the good guy. Sort of the male version of female attraction to "bad" guys with traits that correlate with a tendency to engage in behaviour ranging from simply being an a-hole to committing sexual assault. If anything positive comes out of this hysteria, perhaps it will be that straight men become a bit more cautious about whom they engage with, and straight wo…
/r/MensRights12/09/19 11:35 AM
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It is similar to that stereotypical question of how much personal blame we can impose on someone who grew up in ghettos, poverty, and broken homes surrounded by crime that then commits crimes himself (and at times herself). Clearly we cannot absolve that person, but clearly we also have to recognise and tackle the underlying problems that pushed him in the wrong direction. One does not exclude the other.
/r/MensRights12/09/19 11:31 AM
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What in the world does it mean to "accidentally" falsify rape? In almost all the cases where people, including MRAs, call for throwing the book at false accusers, the accusation was pretty clearly not only false, but malicious. I do not think any of us want to throw people in prison if those two conditions are not met. For instance, if someone makes a rape accusation, tells the truth about the situation, and what he or she describes does not legally constitute rape, no sane person would go after…
/r/MensRights12/09/19 11:29 AM
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Wow. We obviously come from different ends of the political spectrum on this particular issue - I am more on the liberal (for the US audience: libertarian without the crazy stuff) side. But we do agree that marriage, or long-term unions between two people more broadly, is an important institution to maintain. I would caution, however, that returning to the view of marriage as a legally binding contract - and separation to the obligation to prove fault - has costs that may well outweigh the benef…
/r/MensRights02/09/19 03:30 PM
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From what I have seen, single motherhood is correlated with poverty - but not necessarily a major causal factors. Poor households are much more likely to split up, and in many cases, that may be the lesser of several evils. But of course in our drive to support single parents, we also have to make sure we do not distort incentives. Splitting up should not make financial sense...
/r/MensRights30/08/19 03:23 PM
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If you actively promote, encourage, and incentivise rape accusations, you will get more. People react to incentives. Some will be well founded, which is good; but perhaps a larger portion than before will not be so, as the system will also attract people who crave attention - which is why despite hundreds of thousands of rape conviction the metoo cases we hear about are often trivial, doubtful, or both. Most rape victims, I guess, simply want to move on with their lives.
/r/MensRights30/08/19 09:11 AM
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They do not even need to hate men. It might be as simple as resentment because he did not call back or came too early, coupled with some degree of personality disorder (of which as much as 20% of the population suffers). In many cases, they do not even lie or sex up, as it were, the truth, which is why many investigations are dismissed for the simple reason that the situation recounted by both sides does not fulfill the legal definition of sexual assault. And of course, in immigrant communities …
/r/MensRights30/08/19 09:08 AM
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They are certainly not trivialising it when the purported victim is a woman, although of course if the alleged perpetrator is white, male and conservative - they add some extra verve. I do, however, see a very positive trend here. We used to ignore male adult victims completely if the alleged perpetrator was a woman. We do not anymore. And the sexism of this kind of rhetoric is so palpable that not only MRAs, but the general public and many self-declared feminists are speaking out against it. Th…
/r/MensRights30/08/19 08:57 AM
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It also skews supplies. In my country, Sweden, we never had AA policies but engaged in consistent, aggressive hiring preferences to get women into senior positions in the public sector. The result: female talent now clusters in the public sector, and male - in the private, leaving us with one of the lowest rates of female executives in northern Europe. Efforts to copy Norways board quotas fell foul of overwhelming pragmatic considerations. A German engineering school recently decided only to hir…
/r/MensRights30/08/19 08:50 AM
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If a close friend of yours tells you he or she has been raped, of course you should have such a bias. That is only human. The problem is when you turn that bias into one that you apply across the board.
/r/MensRights30/08/19 08:46 AM
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True. I actually agree; albeit there is some truth to the role model argument (but far, far less than activists claim). I guess I was trying to make the point that this kind of AA is the much lesser of two evils. But if we truly want to help African Americans, the first place to start should be the remarkably regressive school funding system. The problem is: mandating quotas is much easier than taking on teachers unions, let alone all those millions of homeowners who have paid ridiculous premia …
/r/MensRights30/08/19 08:44 AM
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Something like that. The bizarre thing is that we DO have some kind of societal consensus around sexual assault. Most of us would agree what constitutes this crime and to which degree of seriousness. And all of us condemn it. Even rapists themselves, though they might use some sophistry to keep what they did out of the definition. I am, however, afraid that the answer is not to bring back families, whatever that means. The declining role of the family is patent, albeit wildly exaggerated in cons…
/r/MensRights30/08/19 08:41 AM
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Perhaps the most disconcerting consequence of this kind of cavalier statement, the likes of which I hear of more and more, is that, for all the activism and hype around rape, we seem to be taking the issue less and less seriously as a society.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 11:30 AM
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Does anyone know of any studies of convicted rapists asking them things like this? Was the perceived certainty of not facing consequences a factor? If so, in which circumstances? This would actually be interesting. And prevent us from engaging in the same kind of wild speculation.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 09:52 AM
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I went to an expensive liberal arts school in the US in the 90s. Not Ivy League, but just below - and a bastion of progressivism. I will not say the name, but you might guess it... The school made concerted attempts to attract African American students. The problem was, of course, that many of them did not thrive - not because there are not many talented AAs out there, but because those with the track record to get in on merit had even better options. That should sound the alarm by itself. But w…
/r/MensRights29/08/19 09:49 AM
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What would she say if he had said "you are just like other girls"?
/r/MensRights29/08/19 09:11 AM
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I will assume she did not actually do this... or hope. Some successful women make statements like these because they thing they send an empowering message. But what they forget is the simple fact that they already have power if not because of their gender, because of their fame, and that they are abusing it. Just like the likes of Weinstein (most probably) did and still do. A poor, unemployed man, even a handsome one, would not be able to get women to do for him what Weinstein did. And an older,…
/r/MensRights29/08/19 09:10 AM
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The stupidity is as staggering as the honesty is refreshing...
/r/MensRights29/08/19 09:04 AM
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Then maybe it is just me assuming, mistakenly, though not without foundation, that every crackpot theory out there bears the insignia of the polarised right or left. Still, it would be an interesting sociological question how, exactly, this would not be the case here.
/r/MensRights27/08/19 07:57 AM
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What frustrates me the most is that such an astonishing proportion of the me-too related accusations I hear about, admittedly a skewed picture, are not only questionable, but patently false. Even more, many of the leaders of the movement face accusations themselves and are clearly not... good people to be around. Including, to be fair, some of the male victims that have stepped forward. At the same time, rape and abuse of power happens - and happens quite a lot. We have, I think, 100 k convictio…
/r/MensRights26/08/19 10:14 AM
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This is about the reaction I get not only from entrenched feminists, but also people in general - especially ones of a conservative bent. People are even astonished to find out that men make up, across the world, 20-30% of victims of spousal homicide (not including death by proxy or suicide or unresolved deaths). I also find the comment comparing her (?) stance to people who oppose vaccines, which I thought was coming much more from the conservative spectrum. Very confusing to us European observ…
/r/MensRights26/08/19 07:53 AM
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A better analogy might have been the woman taking one step at the time and taking breaks, and the man sprinting up the stairs jumping over hurdles and snakes. A quick career progression takes, apart from some, but not too much, intelligence, perseverance and energy - and, I am afraid to say, a bit of ruthlessness at times. That is, I submit, the opposite of an escalator.
/r/MensRights26/08/19 07:45 AM
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