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DebateSweet_Discount4485/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:04 PM
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Lol okay, let's go with the "real men, not little boys!" thing Fair enough. Guess I'll be a boy forever. It's just a nicer time, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:02 PM
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Exactly. I mean, obviously, there's an obligatory "to the extent you can" towards lessening job or house stress. But I really don't get how much anger circles around these things - like you said, a lot of it revolves around different standards, too. And nobody has to be in a relationship. If men are that difficult, then I dont get the anger. Steer clear and they'll either fix it or they won't and have to accept being by themselves. That is on us, at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:51 PM
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I'm fine with different opinions. I just gave you the point - if men aren't worth bothering with, well, then don't. You're free to decide that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:48 PM
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Alright. Like I said, if it's that bad, don't bother. Exactly to your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:43 PM
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Well sure, Generally, whenever I see a sentiment like the one above by the other commenter here, I just don't get the purpose of doing all that work if it comes with so much resentment You can keep a household free of filth in about two hours if you're willing to half ass it merely to organized chaos; a bit cluttered but kept where you can find stuff. Same sentiment with work and money. If your job pisses you off that much, do something less.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:29 PM
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I mean, that's up to the individual couples. But there's a baked in level of stress for the higher income partner. Again, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:40 PM
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If you are that mad, don't do those things. Also do note that I specifically said this was not gender specific. If the man has the lesser job, he has more energy to do the other stuff, all the same. Edit- you can also just... not bother being with men in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:39 PM
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The income gap is basically just a division between married men and everybody else. Single men, single women, and married women have no such difference. The "chore gap" isn't the issue - it's the lack of a stress gap. Meaning, a man that has the stress of such a high stakes job is not going to have the energy to do as much around the house. Women either need to earn a similar (or greater) amount of money or do more housework. And before people jump down my throat, the same holds true the other w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:41 PM
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Well, if it gets bad enough, it lowers expectations enough to where these things are easily reachable. "Oh wow, a guy that remembered 3 things I said. " "Oh wow, a woman that paid for her own coffee". Eventually, you'll feel so alien from each other that you'll be shocked when you aren't and, God forbid, maybe even mutually care about each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 01:50 PM
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Isn't it more selfish to want someone to spend on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:51 PM
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There's a tacit agreement between feminism and traditional conservatism that men aren't worth care. A situation like this? Either you're an oppressor or a pussy. In both cases, you end up hating yourself too much to see how badly you're being treated - "I deserve it" is the message you get all day, in one form or another. Whoever actually addresses men's need for self worth and support wins the gender wars. Nobody is really doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 03:57 AM
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Remarkable how this kind of thing always ends up being more hateful to men than anything feminists say. Men are stupid, men are too horny to think through anything, etc. And yet the problem is "women aren't changing into nicer people to talk to"...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:15 PM
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Fortunately, it's... back from the grave. (Pun completely intended)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:54 PM
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Yup. Also all the dark witchcraft stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:45 PM
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Ngl, I'm so turned on rn
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:40 PM
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Yeah, even the terminology itself is just fucking weird and not how anybody talks in real life, which indicates the social deficit that they then complain of. If you want to have a better shot, working on social skills enough to so much as talk remotely normal should be your first priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:54 PM
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Eh, the biggest problem with Red Pill ideas is simply that they presume "Chad" and "Stacey" to be bad people and the incel/nerd crowd to be these kindhearted guys who never get a chance. The hot ones can also be the kind ones The best avenue these guys actually do have is to just be good people and their entire attitudes and views show the opposite. Elliot Rodger was not a better person than the captain of the football team who raises money for childhood cancer charities lol Sometimes, the "alph…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:51 PM
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Your original post...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:37 PM
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I mean, if she's deciding to do that with him, why do you expect him to take that differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:24 PM
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It's a very accurate summary if you reread your rough draft here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:09 PM
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"Women are never denigrated and denigrating people is pathetic" proceeds to denigrate women the rest of the post I mean... You're right, in the title, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:02 AM
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I'm just not sure why that would differ been hookup and dating per se but I guess dating comes with greater chance of obsession?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:51 PM
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I never disagreed with any part of that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:54 PM
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Relativd to baseline, I think the last 3 years of inflation has taken some of the edge off bc everyone is broke. Not just them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:41 PM
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I'd also posit that inflation has actually decreased social pressures on men in this way because if you're broke on 30K or 200K, what's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:58 PM
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I'm not personally worried about women, I'm seeing this in how other men are navigating their relationship to women writ large We all have individual lives though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:55 PM
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Right, like mutual lust is all you need for that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:41 PM
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I dont disagree with that necessarily but the complaint is generally about women Plus, it's always up to the individual how they evaluate money vs. happy job And yeah, you can have a happy job and make good money Or be happy with a shit job that pays a lot All just how you prioritize it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:40 PM
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I don't disagree with any of that I'm trying to convey an angle of "men aren't hopeless but it's also on us to choose a better life, even if we've spent awhile not being happy", basically
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:39 PM
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I'm just not sure what exactly you're expecting? "I don't like people like you!" "Well, fuck you too!" What's so mysterious here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:18 PM
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"I'm viewing somebody who fits this category negatively, why are they seeing me negatively back?" seems like a really foreseeable chain of events...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:17 PM
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Sure but that's not what I'm saying here I think simply that men have a longer leash to do what they want than in the past. Not that money and stability are non-factors. They are for everyone, and to roughly the same degree between men and women nowadays, which lessens the gap and jealousy between, well, honestly both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:12 PM
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And ah ha! "Money is irrelevant to hook ups but quite a factor in relationships". That's a point I've been circling around but couldn't put my finger on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:09 PM
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That's my point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:10 PM
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At this point? I agree. A generation and back? Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:39 PM
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🙄 Yes, I must pick between the worst and the funnest, nothing exists in between those two extremes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:55 PM
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Absolutely agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:40 PM
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Of course they do Traditionally, the pressure just isn't equal
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:45 PM
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I hate the past and am trying to figure out how to keep it from coming back lol. I think the people who idealized it would hate it within about 5 minutes of the 50s coming back. Nobody wants it and the ones that "do" are emotionally stunted people that don't even understand themselves. Your freedom is my freedom, even though it's from the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:43 PM
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I agree entirely. Which is my overarching point - you're better off being an enjoyable person than just throwing money at women nowadays lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:39 PM
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What point am I supposed to make beyond "yes getting an education and making money is good but the pressure for men to do that, relative to women, is much less than in the past. Thus men have more freedom to pursue enjoyable lives - or at least more in common with women"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:36 PM
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I never claimed it did
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:14 PM
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Not really, I don't blame anyone per se No parents are perfect anyhow I'm just observing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:12 PM
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I think it's the opposite - they've not grown up to realize that life has more freedom than you're taught
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:11 PM
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"Life sucks and then you die" is a lot easier to bear if you're not alone in it, especially if the extent to which it applies is basically equal across the population Same reason suicide rates dipped during the Great Depression Everything sucked for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:09 PM
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You were taught the proper harmony to it then
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:04 PM
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And you make it sound like you can only have one or the other Yeah, sure, you have to make money to like eat food and shit. But there's more wiggle room. You don't have to work in a coal mine and society needs less from you anyhow
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:03 PM
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Cool story? I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:16 PM
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You must not have a good reason for your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:11 PM
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Explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:10 PM
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You don't think fights over abortion, birth control, workplace vs. domesticity, those same men floating the idea to repeal the 19th amendment... that those don't ride together?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:58 PM
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A 30k a year wife with a 70k a year husband does not change the dynamic here. A 70k a year wife with a 30k a year husband? Absolutely does Now he has the opportunity to do what he wants and even be a stay at home dad, if the situation makes sense That, too, though? He has to take the opportunity Still takes a 2 generational turn - from men deciding to take a different path and cut their losses, to sons seeing it from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:56 PM
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The thing you're not getting is pretty simple - you are going too far back in time and thus misreading the situation. Your points are fair enough if you move your clock forward to about the last 10 or 20 years. Why this matters is because it changes the point on the cycle that people are in now
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:32 PM
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I mean, I'd argue that this may have started in the 2000's and 2010's...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:29 PM
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Okay, so explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:28 PM
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I don't think those two things are completely disconnected
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:28 PM
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Lol if you're going to run with "providership has never been relevant for men", I really wish you'd share some of the fun gummies you got.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:55 PM
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Lol you're saying that as far back as the '60's the norm was not men working miserable jobs. That is nonsense. You can argue that as far back as the 1960's, the numbers could technically allow for them not to, if you really want to. The point is that we're basically in the first generation where enough of a shift has happened to get beyond the traditional paradigm. You can disagree all you want, that's your prerogative. But breadwinner households are still, overall, 60/40 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:47 PM
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Women working is irrelevant to what dads set their example as. You are not getting that point. What "fiction" are you getting out of this? The opposite sex parent isn't the example kids look to. You could have women make millions of dollars. If a 30K a year man still kills himself working a miserable life, that's the message. There is nothing women can necessarily do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:32 PM
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Common extrapolations = sour grapes. (Yes. Men do this, too.) You hate men so much that you think they're a bunch of pedophiles? I guess it's fair to say women are into bestiality then, based on dinosaur fucking smut books that are being read out there? I mean, for that matter, Edward in Twilight was 17. Pretty sure Jacob was too. Then Jacob fell for the goddamn baby! Fairies, vampires, tentacles, werewolves. I mean, at a certain point... wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:20 PM
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Explain? 69 > 55.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:13 PM
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No longer on the market but when I was years ago, it was basically to have a person who could shield me from myself. I've got hella OCD problems, to agoraphobic levels, so striking out on my own would result in hospitalization/early death from stress or poverty... or merely a pretty shitty time, at best Being able to have a side by side example of it being okay to simply go about the day, pathetic as it is... basically a tether to a semi-normal life I know that's entirely selfish, but it's hones…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:12 PM
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Okay so women are 14 percent more likely to earn 70K? How does that oppose my take here?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:03 PM
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Well yes, but only in a "just passing by" sense
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:10 PM
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Which exists the same way as video games and porn all day - chasing women is an escape, ultimately. It isn't something you really need to be doing, you're not going to die. And evolutionarily speaking? You're a better partner if you're happy and interesting now. Money is always nice. But it no longer seems to matter to you guys more than just having somebody that makes your daily life lighter, happier, and more curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:05 PM
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That's entirely my point though - it no longer has to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:58 PM
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And it takes 18 years to form a new batch. A long time to wait, but not an impossible change.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:56 PM
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Sure, but is that what they see? If that can shift, which i do think it can, then they can see nice as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:52 PM
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No. But you should take heart that kids are seeing differently in their lives now and perhaps fathers will show sons that they don't have to destroy themselves to belong and that the next batch can be better. Do you think we're not largely humans with the same feelings and observations? If women changed, do you think men incapable of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:50 PM
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Nobody gives a shit what people say unless it matches what real life shows. What's it say to men that Trump is president? You can say all day long that men should be kind and collaborative and so on - and that such a path is the good one. But that's a gigantic uphill battle when what you see in practice is so very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:49 PM
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Are we? Whatever temper you take - UBI Bernie bro or MAGA trad wife pusher - men seem rather restless now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:47 PM
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Because they had no alternative shown. Women only did feminism because they had a huge contrast from being able to work, just as importantly as men generally did in peacetime, during WWII. Then we piloted traditional roles again in the '50's but women wanted - and knew - they deserved to have options. The proof was there. Thus the 60's and 70's. It's no coincidence that feminism makes big gains after wartime.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:44 PM
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What, do you think yourself so special as to be able to speak on behalf of experiences you don't have? Men are mad that they invested their time into a life that they didn't have to. Sure, women have been in the workforce for quite some time But we're talking about generational shifts - you are only now finding a generation of men who see life actually having changed. Their dads still killed themselves for jobs. That was what they observed in practice. This is the first generation of men who hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:40 PM
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-Of course I only refer to some men. It's simply enough of them to have a big impact. I'm not talking about hate, that's merely a symptom of misery - misery is what I'm referring to -Sure, social media amplifies divides. But these divides also exist in the real world. Social media can't boost ideas that have no basis in reality - a social media movement that says "the behavior of geese is keeping the common man down" isn't going to gain much traction. -Women are trying to hold onto present femin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:34 PM
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Told? No. Shown? Yes. The default dad when I grew up - I'm in my 30's - lived miserably, regardless of what they said. Backbreaking labor, overtime, night shifts, never present with family, alcoholism, and just straight up anger. Which was shown to them by their fathers, and so on. No man grows up listening to shit people say, except if it aligns with what they do. They grow up watching what men do and what "success" - in terms of basic human belonging - means. What do you think it shows men tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:19 PM
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Why would such misery not be a very powerful catalyst for change? Miseries persist when they're not that bad, not when they're intolerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:16 PM
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Both men and women exist in the same economy. Why are the subjective and objective disparities, at least in direction, there - political, attidutinal, voting, education levels, wage directions, labor force participation, singlehood, etc.? Doesn't mean you're wrong about how important those other factors are. What I'm saying is that there's a gap around gender that's causing everyone to hate each other, at least to a greater extent... around gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:14 PM
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How is it weird af when that's the default notion men have of it, in terms of providership? Just as women think sexiness is transactional to appeal to men. None of your points are wrong- if you actually digest what I'm getting at. The point I'm making is about this moment in time Am I not indicating a more bullish take on these things by saying that this has already changed and merely not been adjusted for on the male side since there's always a transitional generation during changes? I don't di…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:10 PM
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The top part is correct. The last part is, at minimum, far more complicated. Look at the stats on income distribution in marriage Look at how their parents lived. Just being told "do what Iove" matters little when you're shown the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:03 PM
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Yes, and? Men are far more likely to live at their parents house for significantly longer before heading out. Which necessarily means plenty of women go out on their own, at least for a time. The average home isn't the only place you can live independently. Below average homes and apartments also exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:02 PM
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Typically, yin precedes yang and vice versa Every generation is a reaction to the one that came before. I'm not sure why the next one would be that different Especially given how miserable the current situation is Does it help women either? 40% of American women want to leave the country. That's doubled or tripled in only 10 years. Think they're just over the moon about everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:59 PM
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No, i want to know what your understanding and perspective here is and I'm much too lazy to do all that for Reddit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:55 PM
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Isn't that the present as per black and red pill now?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:47 PM
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Because the expectation levels are different in each realm Doesn't mean men aren't judged at all if they don't have children Nor women if they dont have a job But it is different A mom that doesn't send a kid with a coat thinks she's a child abuser or a failure of a mom A man that doesn't have a job or merely has a low income one thinks he has zero justification to take up space because he is a burden on other people; and shown, and told, as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:38 PM
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Alright - so what exactly do you mean? I've heard plenty about it, explanations But I'm curious what you specifically see it as being on the ground level
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:36 PM
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Which is why the birth rate is so low. Childless women, for all the flack they get about it, are far more accepted than men who don't work, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:07 PM
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Not really what I'm getting at - The point isn't "you were told", it's "you were shown". Yeah, since 1960, we've been telling boys and girls to grow up, be equal, do what they want. Kids learn by looking at life and actions. You can tell them whatever you want, but at best, it'll only augment what you show, and that's obviously only if your words match your actions The point actually is that men should take accountability for their actions and stop living miserable lives that only make sense if …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:04 PM
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Nothing ever "is". Change is the only constant in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:06 AM
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"The societal expectations for men are miserable; requiring efforts and sacrifices that only make sense if you must do them" is what you're looking for. Women making enough to do their own thing and not need you means that, yes, there was a bait and switch You were told to make yourself miserable in order to belong in society and find someone Turns out, you had to at the time and now you don't So going back to the trad wife thing makes sense to want because "women (and children) can't do it' is …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:04 AM
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Well, yeah, I know that I mean in regards to an existential crisis of the economic variety, though In my experience, women don't hate the life paths they've chosen for themselves the way men do Not that it never happens vice versa. But generally
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:53 AM
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Of course you have to. And of course sex is a powerful motivator. But there are other motivations in life beyond sex. And you don't have to live your life entirely doing shit you don't want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:43 AM
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Yes but also slightly different. Women exist in capitalism too and I don't think the same existential crisis is there. At least to the same degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:05 AM
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Fair point, but I'm not sure "millennial malaise" differs much from "current sociocultural era".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:03 AM
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What are we transitioning to, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:02 AM
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Indeed. The happiest men I see are those who've lived their lives on their own terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:02 AM
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I see, so what unconventional path did you take? Have you noticed any advantages to being a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:01 AM
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Ow lol Hearts can break. That's the price of admission for human connection though. And break ups are far from the worst form of heartbreak.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:17 AM
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Lol I don't blame you for being pissed off. 13 years. That blows! It's also likely that you don't have experience with that many men- nothing against you but 13 years of only one guy is a big chunk of time. So that one is going to loom large by default. And maybe you want to believe every man is the same way because the pain of having trusted and cared about one for so long, only to be discarded, is too heartbreaking on its own unless it were inevitable. That's all raw and real, dude. I just don…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:09 AM
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As a woman coming out of a 13 year relationship Men are not truly happy unless you’re swinging or doing threesomes with another woman or letting them fuck around while you stay loyal Well, you're wrong for one, but I think I see what's going on here...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 12:59 AM
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It isn't weakness that garners the hate. It's rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:23 PM
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Women hoped feminism would mean double the achievement. Men hoped feminism would mean double the rest. Now both resent each other for what they've revealed themselves to want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:26 PM
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Idk, reproduction is probably the biggest instinct people have. This argument applied to feminism back in the day. Nowadays, you can look at the arc of men and it's eerily similar to how the 40's - 70's played out among women. The 00's had the first stay at home dads because women could work decent jobs (40's had the first women working because WW2) Then a reactionary shift back in the '10s (50's was the epitome of trad wife era) 2030's may have men fighting to be stay at home dads like the 60's…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:46 PM
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Men who take on the active parts of women's gender role are generally sought after. Annnnnd this is the real disconnect. I'd rather women sit on their asses all day than scream at me if I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:26 PM
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Maybe, I think the jealousy has grown though with this like OF. Traditional prostitution is grim.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 01:05 PM
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Actually a great example I don't think women want to be whisked away by werewolves, vampires, the fae, tentacles, or whatever the fuck else But, just as with lady smut books, there are a ton of women whose notions of what men want are derived from porn For both smut books and vids - Doesn't mean it's true for any individual person, that it isn't a fantasy exaggerated 100x beyond the real desire there, that there aren't attributes that are accepted which reader/viewer don't like but overlook bc t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:09 AM
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It isn't the fiction, it's the image of masculinity it paints.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:05 AM
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It's promoted as masculine behavior This isn't a man thing. Sure, UFC promotes it. So too, though, do women's romance novels and movies. If you want it to change, collectively, stop fawning over men who are like this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:44 PM
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Just lacks nuance
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:54 PM
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Men's lifestyle preferences don't align with consumerism and capitalism as much, so they're sidelined from actually talking about what they want Typically, it's less
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:46 PM
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Women can be delusional about how many bad experiences men have with them too. Can argue it's less threatening or less severe overall, fair. But you guys often don't acknowledge that you are hard to deal with too. Such is life living together with anybody though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:37 PM
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Kids make studying shitty majors and working shitty jobs worth it. Most men don't live for themselves and their improvement in that area. Not bc they couldn't, but they're stuck with the existential track they picked at 8 years old
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:17 PM
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Not sure for women- But for men, both those provide justification for living a life you hate in order to make money so you can belong in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:15 PM
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Oh lighten up It's Reddit, we're all just peddling bullshit out of boredom over here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:56 PM
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I can't make people buy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:25 PM
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You don't need to have sex to sell feet pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:08 PM
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All of those miseries run together.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:55 PM
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It depends on the man. But yeah. Probably less so than women because there's not as much sexual component, usually, to it. And men are far more often on par with each other in physical strength. But it certainly happens when you're a kid. And in ways that are trippy for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:26 AM
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The erosion of every dictatorship that's ended.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:20 AM
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An extreme dictatorship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:10 AM
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Most people live in a low level constant fear of danger - that's called survival instinct. Women just have a particular "men are bigger" section of it to deal with. You never feared adults bigger than you flying off the handle when you were 5? Same dynamic. If you're smaller or weaker, you've got more to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:40 AM
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Give it 30 years. That shit erodes slowly in those circumstances. And that's basically the most extreme example on earth, at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:29 AM
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It's a trip, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:23 AM
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Human beings, even today, sometimes have a conscience though. Doing all that would kill your mind worse than women competing for jobs kills your wallet or modern dating standards kill your dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:22 AM
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OF provides a lot more safety via distance than traditional prostitution. I'm well aware that the average income off OF is something like 200 dollars a month. My point is that this is about money - not hating women per se It's jealousy of the (real or perceived) opportunity to sell pics of your asshole for six figures
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:39 PM
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The demand and market size isn't really there. Perhaps some particularly talented entrepreneurs can find a niche. But it's a lot more narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:19 PM
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's a common jealousy of both participants - the man having that kind of money to light on fire and the woman having the body to command it. The woman is often just more visible To the extent she's still blamed more puritanically, yeah, there's a "rules for thee and not for me" control freak thing. Most people, though, are just jealous of the money involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:36 PM
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That anybody has $10,000 to burn on paying a woman to stuff action figures up her ass - and that her body is hot enough to command such an expenditure - is kind of infuriating when most people are broke af doing 40 hour work weeks for much less appealing assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:25 PM
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Right. Up to the individual person if they're willing to risk it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:19 PM
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I absolutely do. There's no reason to be hypocritical and pretend this is only a woman thing. If a guy is going about life that way, absolutely do not trust him! Or at least i wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:17 PM
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Commitments like pets and the expectation that the man does the work necessary for it, decisions on expenses, implicit "you don't care about me if you don't spend a lot on me", lifestyle desired, etc. You're not a team if you're bullying a partner into living your way when he's the one funding it. (And that absolutely goes both ways, it isn't a woman or man thing in itself.) To be fair, this has tapered off precipitously as women have earned more of their own money - at least in terms of the egr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:14 PM
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Experience depends. 3 exes is a lot different than 2,000. And even all out kissless virgins aren't bound to having a robot fucker personality type.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:19 PM
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I never contended that you should trust men who do the same thing, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:08 PM
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I think it is perfectly reasonable for anybody to look at a romantic relationship and say "given the likelihood and severity of the risk, this isn't worth it". For that matter, you can do the same with friends. If they have a million "best friends", chances are, you aren't the "best".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:06 PM
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Not sure what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:17 PM
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if Seems like a terrible bet though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:05 PM
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Not at all. If nothing else, seems naive af to think you're any different than all the other people that were in the same situation, if you're in those shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:03 PM
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I have no idea how you can draw a line between self identification and necessarily being more naive or less. Plenty of people can correctly identify their own traits and/or have been told by others that they are strong in X category.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:44 PM
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"You've been with how many guys and expect me to trust that you feel a special connection here?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:42 PM
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Plenty times when man makes all the money yet she's taken aback upon the inevitable anger from the stress. Women can often steer men into positions that lead to inevitable relationship downfall. (Same for the other way around! ) And yes, if you don't communicate directly, men won't see it. We communicate directly with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:22 PM
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Every "nice guy" needs to hear: "it's obvious when a gesture of kindness is a request".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:43 AM
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Yeah, I think "learn to pay attention to ecological details around other people's situations and grant them grace accordingly" is the secret sauce missing between how men interact with women. You don't even have to know the "right" thing to say, make eye contact, not be awkward, etc. Just observe the whole situation and make an educated guess on how to proceed or not. True of any situation with other humans, not just "cold approaching women" anyhow. It's an incredibly useful thing to get good at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:25 PM
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How is anyone supposed to know who wants to talk to them? Guessing that every person among half the population wants nothing to do with you is going to lend itself to a shitload of loneliness for anybody. Women aren't a hive mind, no? Perhaps you don't want to speak with any guy for the rest of your life, and that's your prerogative. But never so much as initiating conversation with anybody seems like a terrible social norm to create. I think the biggest thing is just respecting a no and learnin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:50 PM
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Lol accept the loss, my friend
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:54 PM
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Lol you keep ignoring the simple fact that getting kicked out of a gym is a lot less bad than being murdered In any event, an additional curveball here is that 13% of males have been falsely accused... but so have 8% of females. And only 58% of partners doing the false allegations are female... So this isn't just a male thing. https://endtodv.org/2023/02/27/survey-one-in-10-falsely-accused-of-abuse-women-usually-the-accusers-men-most-often-the-targets/ Additionally, in terms of homicide in relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:58 PM
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This is about dating, specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:17 AM
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How is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:15 AM
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I literally did weigh it, dude You think being afraid of getting murdered is absurd while being afraid that you'll be exiled from town after a bad date is reasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:32 AM
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How often does a man have to skip town entirely because he is seen as a creep? You're bringing zero data yourself and accusing me of being the one arguing from emotion lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 02:47 AM
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The same can be said about men who fear being seen as a creep or false allegations. That shit could happen. But an outright horrific and traumatic experience with that is not very likely and living your life in fear of it is no way to live. And honestly, the fear of just being murdered or raped outright makes more logical sense then "she'll falsely accuse me of rape, I'll be convicted in a court of law - even though faking evidence enough to convict someone is pretty hard - then I'll be sentence…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:48 PM
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Which is a niche issue within the larger umbrella here. The Venn Diagram between Tate and Red Pill overlaps very well, even if you can claim it doesn't entirely and thus he isn't one. To most people on the outside, you're bringing up a distinction without a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:49 PM
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Yes, please respect the sex trafficker's preferred pronouns! Meanwhile, he's an extremely popular figurehead among Red Pillers. Or has been until the inevitable faux contrarianism seeped into that space.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:41 PM
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Women are a lot more capable of carrying on difficult or outright hostile conversation than they're given credit for. The whole "I can't say anything or I'll get cancelled!" thing is very overblown.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:38 PM
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That you're not seeing how all of those things exist in a very... complicated relationship with each other... is something. Each of those things is a daily trade off with the others. For example, a competent man may mean a high salary that is only attainable via stepping on other people, which is not kind. A large part of why the gender wage gap persists is because women *generally, simply, individually, * demand the results of it from men. There is an unspoken realization among men writ large t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:39 PM
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I'm not! I'm saying that you, and the left more broadly, are so put off by these guys that you're unable to understand why this stuff exists because you can't take listening to the enemy for half an episode. It is and was the same for Fox News, Charlie Kirk, Trump, Joe Rogan, etc. They don't gain popularity by just overtly saying absurd and/or hateful shit all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:37 PM
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To a proportional degree, that's a real phenomenon! Victim blaming is a real thing! But words are so much less potent than actions and thus many more people are susceptible to believing that, say, a red pill influencer is reasonable than they are "Harvey Weinstein was fine, actually!" But even then, there's a niche effort to rehabilitate that guy's image! And the reasoning behind this dynamic every time is basically "he isn't all bad! He did some good things, too!"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:35 PM
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But they aren't obvious if you actually bother viewing or listening to these sorts of things. Again, the hate is a covert 5% sprinkling. a vast majority of what these people say is not hate and rather run of the mill self improvement shit like exercise and work hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:14 PM
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Andrew Tate has said a lot more than 25 things and he is not the only one of these guys. This is one of the biggest examples of left wing strategic flaws in the modern era. If you never actually listen to a decent chunk of these sorts of things, you're not going to realize that the misogyny/racism/ etc. are about a 5% sprinkling on top of the 95% of relatively reasonable things that these people say. You don't get people to join a "cult" by just full frontal hate. You manipulate people by being …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:10 PM
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Actually listen? Meanwhile, whatever spirit you think they come at you with, the advice you're giving is very, very close to what they're getting from Red Pill. It isn't simply a matter of misogyny, it's a strange self-improvement "cult" that you are claiming to hate yet echoing the advice it gives these guys - if you actually delve into it and "actually listen" to what they are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:58 PM
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I never disagreed with, at least, the spirit of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:48 PM
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Okay but the specific thing being referenced is "being upset that men don't want to interact". Although, "the sorts of men that care enough to distance themselves are probably the ones who shouldn't and vice versa for the ones that don't" is probably another layer down in all that. You're not going to see the men who aren't there, which may well leave you with the ones who still stick around because they don't grant the space women imply they're wanting these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:48 PM
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Plenty of women will tell you “looks, money, confidence, and charm will get you laid”, you just have to stop pretending you’re not looking to get laid by a bunch of women. Okay but this is so close to everything that Red Pill says about you guys. "Do all the things Red Pill says, just be more subtle about it, and we'll fuck you. "
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:31 PM
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"Women are less honest about what their true preferences are" is a key belief underlying basically everything discussed around these parts. The entire red pill thing is basically "okay, nothing women say they want is working out for me, so what is it that they actually do want?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:08 PM
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The idea of dating and relationships is to get to know somebody VERY well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:57 PM
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Since when did anybody have to introduce themselves to be a bad person?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:55 PM
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"Being seen as a threat" can theoretically get you killed, but that's a second order threat to just being killed outright. 2. We're talking about murder in this specific context. https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/realities-intimate-partner-homicide? Women account for about 2/3 of intimate partner murder victims. So they actually do have something to be afraid of, even if they overdo it. My point is that you don't have to have an either-or problem here. But triaging anxieties (everything in life h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:54 PM
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I think its possible to want men to interact well with you. That said, mistrust breeds mistrust. If you don't trust men not to kill you, they're not going to trust you not to hate them. "I'm suspicious of all you people killing me so I send my location to 3 friends every time I meet one of you fuckers" isn't exactly a great ice breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:47 AM
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Men don't want to be seen as threats, women don't want to end up murdered. Neither is great. One is a lot worse. The other still sucks though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:42 AM
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Idk, I make way less money than my wife. I've never been interested in that much more either. And I've been upfront about it the whole time. I guess I'm convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:53 PM
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One lends itself heavily to the other. You could just as easily flip this. It's more or less a chicken and egg argument
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:54 PM
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You may not like it if you get it. I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:47 PM
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Although, the one caveat to that, in my opinion, is that main character syndrome creates an extra obstacle to changing how society views your gender. I think a lot of women assume "everything would be better if I were a man" - essentially, the classic "I just want to be heard!" But "being heard" has its drawbacks. One such thing being that you're the center of attention, for better and worse. The moves you make in your life are under more scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:14 PM
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Perhaps so. I don't claim we couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:50 PM
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Many would prefer that, frankly. If the stigma were to be removed from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:40 PM
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Those things are much more attainable with paid time off, but yes, that is obviously true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:29 PM
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I'm not trad - absolutely, work and do what you want! I just think there are trade offs to anything. And pretending that feminism has none - yes, for women too - is ignorant of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:08 PM
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You can just as easily turn this around and have it ring as true. Women expanding their gender role created far more problems than just switching it entirely. So much of feminism has just been a progressive trojan horse for capitalism - more workers to exploit, more consumption, more debt, more anxious lives without slowing down to live sustainably. Would make for a much better and more progressive society if women did a few things, checked them off, and sat on their asses too. Women just haven'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:47 PM
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They tend to put more effort into themselves these days and don't like when men don't. But nothing about that is inherently "better". If anything, it's more often worse nowadays. Too much effort just breeds burnout and I see that in every facet of modern society. More people need to shift down a gear or two and chill out. And forgive other people for not sacrificing their lives for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:10 PM
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Plenty of people don't teach their kids to swim, ride a bike, exercise, do math, play sports, change a tire, apply for jobs, do well in school, or even show up as parents. Or cook. Or even shower.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:57 PM
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Because nobody knows shit about fuck right when they're born. They have to learn everything. Every single parent on Earth leaves you with shit they don't teach you but could have. Chores may be one of a bazillion other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:50 PM
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Uh, it's your responsibility to learn how to do shit. Don't be ashamed if you have to ask how to do dishes when nobody ever told you. But you should be ashamed if you never learn how to do that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:41 PM
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The percentage of people who accept what realistic human love actually looks like is astonishingly low.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:56 PM
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they want all of the benefits without taking responsibility and not working on becoming better people. Everyone wants that. Whether they admit it or not. The only real issue I've got with it is that they merely refuse to admit they're in it for themselves, they think they're righteous. If they'd be insufferably selfish and honest about it, I could respect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:11 PM
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Of course not. People marginalize what doesn't suit them. Women are no different. And feminists are just as bad as everyone else. The main issue I have with feminists is that they say they think themselves righteous, rather than just normal people pushing for selfish gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:44 AM
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Indeed. I don't think they like the simple fact that ideal gender equality for men would look like the ability to be a janitor and have a wife that makes six figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:59 AM
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They're losers. Even if they're billionaires. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Bill Belichik... These men try to buy affection and even billions can only get you fake love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:28 AM
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I think a lot of that is a matter of income. Underwater welding notwithstanding, business suits almost always make more money. And birds of a feather flock together besides.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:21 AM
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Who doesn't? I don't blame them for that. Just that they aren't honest about it, is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:19 AM
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Isn't that exactly what I'm saying, in essence? They can either help men with the broad problem of work expectations. Or be against them so they can still dream of power couples... and wonder what happened when the inevitable results arise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:18 AM
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Currently, men veer right and women left. A mere matter of political distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:18 PM
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Feminism can't offer men a decent alternative. The best it can do is better ally itself with class issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:06 PM
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I more mean that men don't see education as worth doing so much because it's 4 years of not providing and getting into a shit ton of debt, on that count Otherwise, I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:09 PM
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Both took the plunge, if you believe in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:08 PM
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In real life, this holds true man. Not sure about here necessarily. But even here, at most, it seems like "women in the workforce created a lot of problems so the norm should go back to traditional roles". But not really "it should be illegal for women to work".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:52 PM
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Same can be said for e.g. fathers in 2025. Though I profoundly disagree that women are actually performing better than men beyond education. Education isn't providership. Nor do I think men are performing better than women at parenting. But both have to be more conscientious of the novelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:51 PM
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Adam wasn't much better, so I'm not sure that's a great example. That said, peak masculinity is Thoreau in the woods. Peak masculinity is self reliance. Which is best achieved at the lowest levels. The higher up you are, the more shit you need help taking care of. Perhaps why billionaire men are so often miserable. They literally require millions of people helping them in order to keep their shtick going.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:49 PM
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Nobody seriously contends that women shouldn't be able to work or have the same opportunities. However, women working has revealed a big disconnect that's eroding how we relate to each other - Women want more, men want less. And one of the larger problems here is that men are insulted for saying "my apartment and kinda shitty job is fine", while women's opinion of "I'm always striving for a better life and men aren't good enough" is the default correct one. All modern relationship problems are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:46 PM
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You're jumping from statistics to specific situations. If there's not a better data set to look at, I'm not sure what the argument is - beyond a valid criticism of potential confounding factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:26 AM
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It isn't healthy but a lot of women actually do that. That's actually my main point. Everyone that wants to date the opposite sex is guessing at what they want because the experience is different. There are so many women that - in the context of sex and relationships- act, dress, and approach everything in ways that wouldn't appeal to me at all, as a man. But I also understand what the impression they get of men probably is, and why they take that angle. Red Pill men aren't really extended an ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:23 AM
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Around 10 or 15% more college educated women - a close proxy for income - are opting for singlehood as opposed to noncollege women. So the overall notion that women actually are dating down is murky, at best. It seems to be the case that most women either want to date up or at least across; or be single. Rather than date down. That more and more women are outearning men doesn't mean they're actually picking those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:18 AM
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That's fair but these allegories aren't the same as how humans relate to each other - an interest in a Renaissance Faire isn't really the same as sexual and romantic interest in other people. Twilight is about Edward, not vampires. Fifty Shades is about Christian, not Seattle billionaires. ACOTAR is about Rhysand, not the Fae. And all of these most popular examples involve multiple men fighting each other to "win" the woman. If you're looking at what women reasonably appear to want from the outs…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:08 AM
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Professional college educated women are much more picky about partners and would rather be single outright. Which gives the ones who have partners better supply and demand advantages. And is a self selecting bias. https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-college-dating-divide I think this is, frankly, missing from the "discourse". It isn't some mythical Chad that women are chasing, it's that women are simply more content to be single. Whether you take that to be more about men sucking or women being more …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 10:45 PM
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No I was replying to the commenter poking holes in "who files for divorce" as a proxy for "who really broke a marriage". Their criticisms are legit but I've also not seen a better measurement than "who files for divorce", in that regard either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 10:01 PM
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In what way are they consistent? You can't see how someone would look at the landscape and come to the sort of notion that I have here? Even if it doesn't match your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:59 PM
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What I'm really getting at isn't whether Red Pill is effective and correct - I think the entire manosphere is a collective embarrassment for men, honestly. What I'm saying is that it makes sense for those guys to flock to those sorts of things because they complement their observations of what women want. They feel like they're solving a supply and demand problem by becoming a dominant dude that most women seek. Only, the issue is that it's forced and fake. And they'd have better luck figuring o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:56 PM
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What's that got to do with whether women or men file for divorce more often?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:49 PM
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Do you have a better framework?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:43 PM
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It is if it isn't followed up with lived wants. You also can watch and read a lot about spies and want to be a spy, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:31 PM
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When did I say basic human rights are or should be dictated by such things? Nor that men should be consuming that shit? All I'm saying is that the submissive in the bedroom and empowered outside are not consistent. Is that such an extreme statement? Is it that out there?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:19 PM
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When did I say you couldn't? You can support and live in any combination of ways. Nor do I think anyone's rights should be effected by that. But there are ways that are more and less consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:17 PM
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It isn't simply a fiction movie. It's a matter of actual decisions on how to orient yourself in romantic and sexual life. I don't really care what one wants or consumes, it is simple consistency that isn't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:15 PM
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In the context used above, that's not your dictionary definition of "capable".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 07:52 PM
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I certainly don't agree that feminism should've concluded with suffrage when marital rape was legal until 1993, couldn't access credit by themselves until 1974, and couldn't serve on juries - at least federally - until 1984. Those are certainly more niche than voting rights. But it isn't like women have been full equals the entire time. In 2025 however? They're doing at least as well as men and still wanting to have their cake and eat it, it seems to me!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 07:51 PM
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If it were strictly a 90 minute film, sure. But this is real life, sexually and socially; all the time with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 07:46 PM
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It would certainly be more consistent, yes! I'm not saying women shouldn't be able to vote nor am I even saying that women can't be inconsistent. The "findom" millionaire men thing sure is too! I'm saying that it comes off, ultimately, as wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Also perfectly fine! I just wish more women would admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 07:44 PM
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I've never contended that women should not have the right to vote or work or anything like that - even if all women wanted to be submissive, all humans deserve the same rights. What I'm actually saying, despite being shouted down by all of that, is a lot of the red pill men are flocking to an identity that they think women want, based on what they observe women wanting in private. If 55% of women want a dominant man and 45% of men want to be dominant, that's a gigantic gender gap where yin and y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:11 PM
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It isn't consistent at all and one's private sexual proclivities are a better indicator of their real desires than the social roles they simply feel like they "should" play.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:01 PM
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In what way
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 03:00 PM
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That seems like a purposefully vague term that just goes along with overall dominance anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 03:00 PM
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Which are themselves dominant ones
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 02:28 PM
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Social domination rather than sexual doesn't really change the paradigm, imo
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 02:27 PM
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Which is still male dominance, to a gigantic degree. All this comment is, is a more vanilla description of the stuff being pointed out by both OP and many commenters. Not a great argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 01:40 PM
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50 Shades just splintered off into a million ebooks with even worse fantasies - kidnapping, murderers, mercenaries, Mafia, priests, abuse, violence, and a million other problematic features. If you don't think men aren't looking over all that and picking Red Pill in turn, you're not paying attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 01:38 PM
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Yup, biggest example of why feminism just isn't working. A huge portion of the female population reading a thousand pages about a billionaire man with his own plane flogging, degrading, and punishing a woman working at a bookstore makes men think, certainly not unreasonably, that women don't actually want feminism. More women advancing means fewer men can fulfill the above fantasy. As for men? "It is only right that you be free but I'm never going to be in power enough to give you what you want.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 01:33 PM
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Actually, yes! (Though the focus on sex misses most of this.) A billionaire woman only makes sense with a French maid man. The idea that all roles are equal has created a free for all and the norm has become the toxic power couple thing that never, truly, works. Relationships have to be yin and yang. That doesn't mean there's some hard rule. But 2 billionaires are always going to clash over who matters and resentment will build. Unless equality means both worse women with better men and worse me…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 01:19 PM
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Modern feminism comes off to me like a guy saying: "I expect you to hand feed me grapes while a harem of hot women fan me with palm leaves, lick my ass daily, have a 500k a year job where you pay all the bills and I get to sit on the couch all day, pretend I'm a big shot breadwinner and manly man to everybody else, and let me pick our entire lifestyle." Only slightly more subtle. And I'd love that! But it isn't fair. And it isn't reasonable. It's heads I win, tails you lose. I can honestly respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:34 PM
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They want patriarchy with benefits. They're confused why we have a glut of submissive men because they don't see how it's impossible for men to take submissiveness in the bedroom seriously while they're CEO. If they want submissiveness sexually, they have to be submissive socially again. Feminism can't square that circle. They don't realize that they ultimately are asking for the 1950's again. Otherwise, it's impossible to take the disconnect between bedroom and outside seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:00 PM
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The problem with the concept of emotional intelligence is that there are many different ways to empathize with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:00 AM
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I don't think it's reasonable to expect strict gender role adherence if you're trying to loosen gender roles. All women are finding out is that men, as well, hate our own expectations. My litmus test on dating was always "if she expects me to pay, I'm not picking her".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 10:05 PM
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Yeah, and the biggest examples of this are Japan and South Korea This is happening worldwide
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 02:29 PM
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No, they're half naked on TV for like a million of them. Point is, much of that is highly dependent upon how hot someone is
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 02:17 AM
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You ever watch WWE?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 11:03 PM
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I can only see that to the extent that they allow people a calm stopgap to take dating and relationships with other humans slower and less desperately. Which is ultimately a huge chunk of confidence and charisma
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 02:18 PM
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This has been attempted It ends as a comedy skit The answer, at least majority wise, is no Even if men would rather push in that direction instead (being seen as surface level sexy), women want the opposite (everyone to be judged deeper down instead) These sorts of tensions are commonplace among many attempts at gender reconciliation If we're going to have a universal standard, men want it go one direction, women want it to go the other Which is why the entire thing is just stuck We have opposit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:03 PM
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A lot of this is actually a societal choice many people are making. Birth rates are down basically worldwide. Single women hardly find it that difficult to be content single. They want men to add, from their perspective, things to their lives. Which is fine, but it also isn't on men to do that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 12:45 PM
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What else do you get? You get one life. You can choose to find awe and wonder here, and you don't even need society to do it Go look at the stars, go look at a mountain, go look at fossils
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:24 PM
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You could do both! You can think that everything is completely bullshit and yet look for the wonder that exists anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:17 PM
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It is lol It's on the internet a lot You don't remember that hot prisoner from a number of years ago that had a ton of women thirsty for him? Granted, women hide it better and you can certainly argue that women have more power with sex than men But all? That's absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 02:09 PM
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Is it really that much more acceptable, if at all, for women to ask for money out of men than for men to ask for sex out of women? Sure, it's more acceptable for women to want money, in their opinion And more acceptable for men to want sex, in their opinion But I've seen no real overall difference in this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:50 PM
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Power is power, regardless of the angle And all of it? No
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:16 PM
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So you are happily married after living your life in a manner that you picked?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:57 PM
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If we'd have known that women would be doing so well for themselves in school and work, so many men wouldn't have wasted so much time on goals they didn't really want. The current generation of men grew up with the impression that they needed to choose like the 1950's but met the 2020's. What would you have studied? What would your hobbies have been? How would you see yourself? If you knew you'd be able to do what you wanted, rather than what your role is. The only happy men I see in my generati…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:52 PM
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Splitting hairs when the 80/20 thing is a pillar of both
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:22 AM
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I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with it but it can look sketchy in the same way as rich old guy goes for 22 year old waitress There's a definite power dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:14 AM
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Idk man, the entire premise of the Red Pill is that all women are competing for the top 10% of men and thus it's completely impossible for the average guy to bang chicks - so women's nature makes men miserable and lonely virgins, essentially. If women are happier single, that means you're competing against air and losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:38 AM
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I don't think anyone disputes that. Men are just more honest about our overall shittiness. and also, relatedly, are made out to be the bad guy in every relationship conflict. I think wind would be taken out of the manosphere if more women were just upfront about their personal shittyness in their own life. It would be really helpful for men to see that women's criticisms about men being shitty don't amount to low key dehumanization of our entire gender. If you are shitty too, at least we're not …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:46 AM
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At some point, a lot of you guys are going to have to reckon with how women's increasing economic success makes you feel rather than jumping right into intense reactionary ideas to deflect from having to reflect. It really seems like a lot of us just anxiously scoreboard watch things like education levels and money because we'll feel like rotten failures if our purpose in relationships is to provide and were being outdone at even that. But that also seems like something that's much easier to add…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:39 AM
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Why don't we all start from there because, yeah, you could flip the genders and make it just as true for as many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 08:03 PM
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Idk, maybe you should try butt pads
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 02:38 PM
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Most men want love to have things taken off their plate that allow them to chill in the background Most women want love to add things to life that make them feel heard We generally just want love to be different things
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 02:21 PM
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I've always thought that the lonely Autistic dudes would have an easier time just focusing on their appearance and maximizing that. You could conceivably get there. Watch a bunch of YouTube tutorials on that, etc. Far easier than trying to compensate socially for a thing that's literally about sucking at social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:10 PM
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That's not even an "incel" thing. It's basically the opposite - "chill out about women because having sex and being in a relationship is not going to rid you of every problem in life" - which is the expectation the entire incel thing comes from And then they'll get mad even if they do pair off and have sex because the reality of it will never match their expectations and obsessing over it anyway Which is essentially the point OP was making I just think the main reason why men are acting this way…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:06 PM
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Sure, but a person from the West going over there and being happy at all, when, well, look at everything there? That's still pretty crazy. It isn't like there aren't plenty of other lower income countries that a western wealthy traveler could go to in order to be a big fish in a small pond.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:01 PM
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This is an extraordinarily false choice lol No that's not worth it at all! just because I feel like one should expect a certain kind of attention if their buttcheeks are hanging out at the grocery store, doesn't mean they don't have the freedom to (Although I will say, extremely controversially, that if you ever watch, like, a travel vlog of western men taking the plunge to go to Afghanistan, you can observe that they look genuinely happy, just bro-ing out with other men uninhibited, playing aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:24 PM
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Yup. Starting off as friends is best. Though I wish there was a more socially acceptable and less charged way to "still be friends" if romantic advances don't work out. Better a friendship than nobody at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:50 PM
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sigh Again, die under a bridge poor is a distinctly different matter than "figure out what you really need and stop there". Chase brass rings too much and you'll have no time, no energy, and too much exhaustion to enjoy your successes anyhow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:46 PM
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Basically all of the things you listed above have nothing to do with technical success so much as human connection. Which is a sleight of hand that I certainly agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:16 PM
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I'm forever confused as to how the Red Pill thinks that discovering the obvious fact of "more attractive people have better chances in sex and romance" is some revolutionary new insight into human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:14 PM
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You think all the on paper successes will give you those things though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:09 PM
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Pretty sure they don't want a manipulative guy in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:06 PM
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Good! Go onward and upward and figure out that it'll all make you guys miserable too, and your life will just be a blip like ours. Explore it! I'm just gonna bet what you're after for yourself won't fulfill you, won't matter, and won't really be worth it. Men have just been doing this shit long enough to have seen, generationally, how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:04 PM
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Why don't you be lazy and sit on the couch and smoke weed too? If it all turns you so pissed off and you're not gonna have kids, what's the point? Would be better if you half assed life, grabbed a beer, and played Xbox all day too. It's not like all that shit is making you happy anyway. You fully recognize none of the shit you're chasing will matter in the long run either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:02 PM
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🙄 And then, when feminism just gets stuck in the mud? That'll be entirely men's fault too! Because women have no agency in the matter and aren't trying to protect every advantage that they can get. You guys love the patriarchy as much as we do, on the whole. Which is about half of it. Only difference is which half. And just like us, you're looking to maintain your advantages in traditional gender roles and attain your advantages conferred by progressive ones. It's just a purely selfish circle of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:57 PM
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Explain what the relevance of that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:50 PM
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They're still requested by women, if subtly, to be so. Even an unemployed husband is the center of all attention. And we do not want to be!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:33 PM
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Doesn't really matter to what the effect actually is and will continue to be unless the approach changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:32 PM
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I'll grant that there's movement in that direction. But light-years from balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:31 PM
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You're not finding good partners because you don't actually do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:30 PM
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The same cycle is spun by the other side though. You don't really want most of them. And certainly don't want to keep them. What effort do you expect to get from them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:16 PM
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It is much easier to pick out systemic issues for women - rape within marriage not even being recognized, not being able to work, go to college, and eventually to even get a loan until eye-openingly recently. "Boys suck at school because they've got the running around hormone" within a system that men originally made is a much harder problem to accept. Plus, men who were the ones with all the power, were the ones who had to let it go out of compassion for women. I've seen very little of it exten…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:05 PM
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The only issue with this is expecting the Princess Special still. Even in the last few years, if you pay close attention to, say, romantic songs by men, you'll notice that the vibe has gone from "how could you do this to me???" to "I know you'll leave soon enough, so just get it over with". The lack of effort you observe in men is entirely accurate. But the source of it is you, in many ways. Or more accurately, a mutual death spiral in dating and relationships by both men and women. You're not g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:20 PM
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And men's competition for the exact same goals we've always had pushed on us only doubles as a result of this. Feminism only doubled men's competition but did nothing to make their lives better in turn. Unless that's reckoned with and somehow fixed, men will just resent it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:22 PM
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Bad doesn't mean that shit isn't perfectly common.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:17 PM
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No, I don't think they make bad decisions at all - in fact, studies show women to be better investors than men. What i do think is that they, more than men, want better things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:21 PM
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I'd venture to say that most men in relationships are hit, at some point, in an actual hitting manner. So I kinda take umbrage with "I don't know anyone who acts that way". You probably just don't know that anyone you know acts that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 02:10 PM
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I don't really think "should people tolerate being hit" is a debate worth having because the answer, unless you're really kinky about it, should be no.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 02:07 PM
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More money to buy better things. Granted, significantly less leverage than if she doesn't have the income necessary to support herself. But, generally, at least anecdotally... women like expensive things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:31 PM
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Patterns of behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:59 PM
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Both should go gold digging. I mean, it isn't that hard to do laundry and dishes and cook like it was 100 years ago We have machines for that So go be a sugar baby if you can swing it The relative benefit of having a housewife isn't worth that trade off in modern life
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:38 PM
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Again, nothing in that diatribe refutes a word of what I said lol Beer and video games are cheap! 30,000 dollar weddings aren't! My wife fully admits that money is leverage and she makes more, sound toxic? Maybe! But it's honest because that is how everyone operates Who makes the money in your household? By what proportion? Just because you discuss your expenses doesn't mean he isn't just going along with what you want to avoid rocking the boat. And the last point about single women spending les…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:54 PM
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If he's got a dollar more than you do, he's gonna use it. The extent to which men have more money than you is the extent to which they'll see you as lesser. Women aren't any different though, which is why the hobosexual thing doesn't often work either The lesser party spitefully spends it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:47 PM
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Money is major leverage, in your case here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:30 PM
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It's a great idea for people! I've never really seen the hot or not scale be mentioned, seems more to be a matter of proportion to how far along in a dating or relationship cycle you're in. And in any case, coffee shops are pretty fucking cozy!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:56 PM
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Medical bills aren't consumer purchases. Your groceries are so often the food you want. Even the kid expenses are often things you want them to have. Many of these things are also often unnecessary expenses or unnecessarily expensive expenses lol Even the "well, I'm paying all these bills for shit we need!" excuse is often bullshit. Or at least to a decent degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:53 PM
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That'll definitely work! But don't cry when he uses that leverage against you!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:24 PM
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Peace and quiet is the first thing men have to sacrifice. The truth is that, no, you don't love men if you expect expensive gifts, bougie weddings, for them to put themselves in harm's way for you, for them to complicate their lives for you, for them to remember every single word you say and to never have to ask a second time, etc. You aren't worth all that. Neither are we. Your vision of love is just a social norm default. There's no reason you couldn't love them back by taking things off their…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:14 PM
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Fair, all I'm saying is that, however you look at it overall, be fair!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:33 PM
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10/10 Only thing I'd add is that it's fine to see these things as matters of individual agency or systemic failures. But either way, your perspective ought to be applied consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:25 PM
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The idea that women are more content to live on the bare minimum than men is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 05:00 PM
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Sure. It is all relative in some respects though. For example, you see your parents did twice as well as you, that's a psychological kick in the balls. Obviously, that is a better life than in the USSR. But they also don't have any other lived experience to compare their own one with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:35 PM
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Sure. But do you not see any reasonable appeal to it? They fade into those sorts of lifestyles because they see the odds of being a successful man decreasing by the year. Thus the anger that boils over at women. They give up. Because the odds get slimmer. And then they observe the spheres that they are expected to succeed in becoming more centered around women's experiences. We've created a world that has made masculine success twice as difficult and are perplexed that it's half as common. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:11 PM
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That's not nearly enough to make much judgement about someone on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:57 AM
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All of them should be communicated but it's also reasonable to not want to have to ask the same thing 5 times before your partner gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:55 AM
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Red Pillers lash out because their decisions in life are not validated and there's no community in NEETing out. They make a decision that porn, video games, and not going to college is a better way to do life. There's some truth to that. It is easier, it is less risky, and there's an entirely reasonable debate to be had that they are actually making the most logical decisions, from a path of least resistance standpoint. If mom pays the bills, you don't have student loans, you aren't stressed ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:46 AM
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Do women want to give up the advantages that come with men worshiping them - or at least the idea of them? Because once the spell is broken, a lot changes. You realize that women are people. You sometimes crave to be left alone. You realize that a relationship with them creates its own set of problems for you, as much as it may cure your previous ones. And you'll sometimes long for singlehood. In that respect, I wish all men could, before ever having sex or being in a relationship, experience ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:23 PM
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The MGTOW thing would be an amazing step forward for men if it wasn't wishful thinking that's poisoned by sour grapes and outright misogyny. If you actually saw a significant chunk of men saying "I've seen how this relationship stuff goes for men too often and it isn't worth it for me." Everyone would have to recalibrate how they look at all this. Unfortunately, "good enough for a relationship" is an entirely subjective judgement and if somebody is content to give another person the world in exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:36 PM
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