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I think it's fair for both sexes to have physical preferences for potential partners. I was pointing out that society tends to shame men more when they state theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:29 AM
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How would you even know what a couple's age gap is, though? Unless you were close to them, some people do not look their age due to varying factors. I have known men who are in their 60s who look like they are in their 40s and some women who are in their late 30s/early 40s who look like they are in their mid to late 20s. I guarantee you walk past couples who have a 5+ years age gap and you don't realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:54 AM
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If appearances are the ONLY requirement you have in a partner, then that's very superficial. And that will bite you in the ass since looks will decrease and you're going to feel more unsatisfied in your relationship as it progresses. I agree with you in that people seem to want men to not factor in looks when looking for a partner. Gaslighting and shaming men (e.g., "real men like curves") in addition to pushing fat female models while keeping muscular underwear models for men's clothing. Dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 11:23 PM
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Of course there is subjectivity when it comes to ratings. However, I'd say having a general idea of your rating can help you in terms of knowing where you'll have better success at attracting a romantic partner. Assuming you don't want to waste a lot of time and energy looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:02 PM
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People have different wants in a partner, so what one person considers a 3, another might consider an 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:46 PM
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Could also be that your standards are way lower than his and/or he's more selective with whom he shares his bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:43 PM
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Being objectively attractive opens up a lot more doors for you, regardless of your values or who you spend time with. There are shitty people out there who get easy access to sex/relationships/job opportunities just because they were born into the right circumstances. In that same vein, there are good-hearted people who get looked over in one way or another. It's just the way the world is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 09:55 PM
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I think it's fair to be concerned about women fresh out of high school getting into relationships with men old enough to be their fathers. In those instances, you have to question whether there was any gr00ming going on. However, many women argue that women as young as 25 are being taken advantage of by men in their mid 30s/40s. At some point, we have to let women be accountable as the responsible adults they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:16 PM
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No one is telling you to settle. You should aim for the partner you want. Women today are lucky in that society allows them to support themselves while single into old age. However, what is the likelihood that you will be successful when it comes to sexual competition (assuming you want a partner and/or children)? Further, the things that make someone attractive for sex isn't always going to be attractive as a long-term mate. So the question becomes, at what point should you be more reasonable i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 01:24 PM
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It's similar to women who are taller than the average man wanting a man taller than herself. Let's say she is 6' and wants a man who is at least 6'4". Just because she is taller, doesn't mean she gets to the front of the line in terms of mate selection. She'll have to compete with the other women who also want that guy. And if that man is rare and/or high in demand, then it becomes even more competitive. She'll have to have more of what that man wants in his future wife/LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:44 PM
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There's an implication that those 10% of men will want those women in return. If more and more women are setting standards to where only 10% of men meet them, those 10% men have an increase of options, making it even more challenging for an average to slightly-above average woman. I suppose it all depends on w hat kind of outcomes these women are comfortable with. If they want children, they have to choose a good enough man at an earlier age. If they are okay remaining single and have the means …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:19 PM
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I'd drop my "no single mothers" rule if she was incredibly hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:39 AM
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RP by default already pushes back against incels by promoting ways for men to improve where they can and work around shortcomings they may have to improve their dating success. Some people just want to cry/complain and hope that someone solves their problem for them. There's nothing you can do for those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 04:44 PM
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You're extrapolating what I said into something I didn't. Not sure I feel like dumbing it down more. This feels like we're just spinning the wheels so peace out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:22 PM
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A woman friend zones men she is not interested in dating. She didn't really dictate the direction of a relationship but moreso stopped one before it even started. I can swipe left on a lot of women but that has nothing to do with dating. I already covered that there are desperate men who commit to any woman that shows interest. My stance remains, though. Dating is easier for women in the early stages of dating but it is easier for men in the later stages. I'm speaking in general, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 12:15 PM
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That is true. No one owes you commitment. However, women have to decide if the men they are sleeping with will eventually commit. Otherwise, she might be waiting for a long time and potentially get replaced.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 11:16 PM
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If a woman is spending time with a guy and hoping that he will commit to her, she has to wait until he does. She can establish conditions, but he doesn't have to comply. If he doesn't offer commitment when she wants and/or he tells her he just wants something casual, she has to decide if she wants to stick around or find someone else. In that case, the man is dictating the direction of the relationship. Women always have the option to leave a potential relationship for whatever reason. That does…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 11:12 PM
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True. My argument is that women have it easier earlier in the dating phase (perhaps because they have more of the power via controlling access to sex). Men have it easier later in the dating phase because they typically control access to commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 04:28 PM
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It's better to be in a position where you can look at your options and pick someone who is "good enough". Compare that to a given man who might not have anyone from whom to pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:46 AM
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For women, it is easier in terms of getting a date. It's much more difficult in terms of getting a date with a quality person. It is much, much more difficult for a woman to get commitment from a quality person. A woman can have sex with the guy but she has little to no control where the relationship goes. The guy might ghost her, he might just want a FWB/something casual. If he does not want to commit to a woman for whatever reason, then the woman has to either accept where she is or move to an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:03 AM
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How do you know people aren't buying because of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 08:55 PM
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I was surprised when some older women I dated did not know how to cook. The majority of them were hardcore feminists and I think that played a role. One of them in particular assumed that cooking in general means that you will eventually cook for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 08:53 PM
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At planet fitness? Just know that as long as you're not getting in the way of others, no one cares about you. Focus on what you need to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 08:49 PM
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I'd argue that unconditional love does exist. It just tends to happen between a child and his/her parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 02:00 AM
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That's probably the best strategy. There are relatively few attractive women on OLD. The few that are are swamped with options. I remember an ex showing me her unread messages on okcupid. It just read 999+. Even if you're a catch, you're a needle in a haystack. If you're a guy who has everything together, It's better to meet women elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:51 PM
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It's moreso that women no longer have to "try" to find a potential suitor. Dating apps have made it too easy for an average woman to find a mate from the comfort of her home. In the past, women had to make an earnest effort to attract a man. They had to present themselves well, go out in public, and at the least, send men choosing signals so that the men would approach them. Otherwise, she'd be left behind from a mate and/or family standpoint. Today, women can basically select men out of a catal…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 04:52 PM
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You'd think that single mothers would prioritize qualities that are desired in a future stepfather instead of the usual "needs to be tall, handsome, and lay it down in the bedroom".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 01:18 PM
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Women tend to present themselves better in very public places. Especially places where higher-value men might be (e.g., athletes, celebrities, rich people). Men don't really go all out in that regard. To add to the above, a lot of women are heading towards vacation destinations now that it is warming up. So you're likely seeing more women putting in above average effort in terms of dress, hair, makeup and perhaps some who lost some weight to show off at the beach destinations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:37 PM
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You know that very attractive women can oftentimes be high maintenance? Even above average women will shit test above average men to avoid getting into a FWB/situationship. A physically attractive man might go down in looks if the woman is much more agreeable and/or her head game is on point. So this favors "mid" women when it comes to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:08 AM
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The sad thing is that to be successful in life, one oftentimes has to think of themselves first. There is no team-based effort in various aspects of life. This is true in dating as well as other areas. You don't get ahead in life by pushing others ahead of you. When you do that, others will take advantage of you and then leave you behind. The better strategy is to get ahead and then pull up those who wish to join.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:04 AM
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There is no universal rule, which is what people want when they ask this kind of question. Some women like the attention. Some women want to be left alone. Some men can get away with being persistent. Some men will have the cops called on them. Usually, things are somewhere in the middle and if you are the pursuer, you should learn how to read body language so that you don't overstay your welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:25 PM
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I would think it's the opposite. Escorting exposes you to many random men that you cannot properly vet. With a sugar daddy, assuming you can find a stable one, it's more consistent and less risky in terms of stalking, abuse, and/or STDs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 01:09 AM
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BMI probably isn't the best indicator of attractiveness to men. Heck, BMI is only a small tool that can help doctors diagnose potential health risks. Some women carry extra weight well. Some women can be within the healthy BMI, but due to genetics, any extra weight sits on the stomach, diminishing the feminine attraction markers. Conversely, you might have women who are on the obese side of the BMI chart that carry the extra weight on the breasts and hips, accentuating those feminine attraction …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 01:04 AM
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Dating gets easier for a anyone who puts in the work to become someone worth dating. Period. If you're a fat, broke, socially-awkward 20 year old man who lives in his mom's basement and become a fat, broke, socially-awkward 30 year old man who lives in his mom's basement, dating is not going to magically be easier. However, if you realized your shortcomings and improved them, you put yourself in a much better position, relatively speaking. Your options will increase and you get to be more in con…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 12:36 AM
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Well the courts don't care as long as they get a cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:01 PM
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An ex can ask for an adjustment to child support if you get a raise/promotion. But otherwise, you make a valid point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:11 PM
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Blue collar workers tend to have more forward facing roles. They have to interact with customers and know how to make small talk in order to be perceived as likeable. Otherwise, their business can suffer. Contrast that with the average tech person who mostly deals with numbers. Speaking with more people naturally gives you more confidence over time. Once you overcome the social hurdle of expecting everyone to like you, you're more likely to reach out to that attractive person and ask them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:09 PM
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Perhaps some of the delusion is to ride some social media train but I can't agree that that is the only purpose. Guess we are at a stalemate here. It was nice chatting with ya. Peace!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 07:16 PM
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I misread the OP. Sticking to self rating, it still makes no sense to describe yourself as something you're not. It's better for people to be humble than delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:09 PM
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The female equivalent of bro code. Like those women were rating others as 10//10 to not make those women feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 03:45 PM
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Would that be considered sis code? One of the arguments said on Instagram about rating a woman a 10 was that "every woman deserves to feel like a 10". Which I think is ludicrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 03:15 PM
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I have never once seen a man call himself a 10/10 and then act as if he should be treated as such. However, women have no qualms calling themselves as beautiful even if they are average at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 12:33 PM
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It's quite telling when someone describes women who are at a healthy weight as "malnourished children". Women do have a higher body fat % compared to men. That's true that it's for reproduction purposes. However, at least in the US, the average woman is carrying way more fat than necessary for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 12:22 PM
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How do you know those men treat you different because you do not wear makeup? I'm sure they didn't explicitly tell you that. Could it be there are other factors at play?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:22 PM
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Do you plan ahead and/or use a tour guide? Going alone seems rather dangerous, especially if you intend to pick up women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:59 PM
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Say a man your age made a similar listing, looking for a FWB. Do you think he'd get any women messaging him taking him up on that offer? The problem for men finding a casual sex partner isn't the way most men act towards the women that are. It's that there are fewer women open to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:38 PM
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Well, confidence does come from practicing something until it starts to become easy. That includes trying and failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:01 PM
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They're rather aggressive with the main motivation being an additional notch on the belt. They tend to be obnoxious when they brag about all the sex they're having. It's rather immature. Most women don't want to be subjected to that kind of aggressive approach. Most women don't like the idea of men faking their way into their pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:58 PM
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The largest dating complaint from career oriented women is that there aren't enough men on their level. That does not make them gold diggers. And women can like being bought things but that doesn't make them gold diggers. You're the one using the term incorrectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 01:12 PM
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Good digging means that money is the ONLY thing someone cares for. That's why people joked that when they see a hot girl with a wealthy ugly guy, "she must be a good digger". A woman could have receiving gifts as a love language. That's her way of knowing that her partner still cherishes her. That doesn't automatically make her a gold digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:30 PM
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A woman wanting someone at least on her financial level is a gold digger now?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:09 PM
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It's still the woman's choice whether she wants to eat what is served to her. If the burger isn't good enough, she could always turn it away. If no restaurants are serving her filet mignon, she should decide if she can be happy with the burger or if she should continue looking. What she shouldn't do is sample the shit plates and then screw up her palette. In any case, I don't think this conversation is going anywhere. Peace out!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 02:31 AM
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You cannot accurately state that all the options are bad. Imagine the waiter gave you a fifth option (let's say a burger) and you're still complaining that they are all bad because you are expecting a filet mignon.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 01:42 AM
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I wasn't suggesting men should ask women for advice. Women do not give practical advice on dating. I agree on that. But it is wise to ask for practical advice. My original point aimed at the other poster was to highlight that women giving men lazy non-advice is dumb. She should just go ahead and say that any advice she gives wouldn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:54 AM
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He's not asking for help, he's asking for practical advice. Advice that would make him more attractive to your fellow women. That's more wise, if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 11:46 PM
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That's unfortunate. Sorry to hear that. I imagine in his mind he was setting you up for dating success. That is just one man, though. Men who would want to date you are not asking you to go all out with the makeup, surgery, and all that nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 11:44 PM
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It is better to have 100 options and have 10 of them be good enough, than to have 2 options and both are bad. lol Ultimately, your problem comes down to women choosing men without properly vetting them. And there are ways to avoid entering short-term, lackluster sex relationships. The average man would love to be in a position where he can qualify the women that he can potentially date.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 10:50 PM
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It's highly frustrating hearing that as a man. I know you're just trying to avoid confrontation/awkwardness, but it helps no one. I'd rather hear things that I could work on (e.g., "you're too heavy", "you come off as boring", "you should try building some muscle in X area").
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 09:43 PM
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Who is telling you to dress up, though? It's not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:25 PM
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There are more avenues today for men to get (legal) sexual access compared to the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:48 PM
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Women don't dress up for men or at least that's what they always say. I personally don't agree with that. Though it's true that men do not ask women to wear makeup and dress up, I think women want to be more attractive than the women next to them. The competition to be the most attractive woman drives you to wear makeup and do all that other stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:51 PM
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A better comparison of a woman who gets used for sex would be a man who can find many dates, but the women flake on him after he spends a certain amount of time and money, leaving him with no sex or relationships. I understand being used for your body isn't the same as being used for your money, but you can still feel empty and used in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 12:36 AM
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They can find a partner, but they cannot be as choosy as a fit woman. They'll likely have to lower their standards or accept being someone's lower option rather than their higher choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 06:47 PM
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Hopefully you understand that not every conservative follows 100% of every conservative talking point / belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 03:19 AM
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I was referring to the gamer gate comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 03:17 AM
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That is true. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done. I imagine that some who want to be feminists will have to explicitly state their stances on controversial topics and align accordingly (e.g., Woman A stands with third-wave feminism, but not fourth wave). IMO that isn't a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 10:18 PM
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The manosphere isn't a collective, though. Each content creator has their own philosophy. Typically, they'll state what their positions are, though I haven't watched every single one to verify. Again, there are niche subsets of feminism that hate all men and even go so far as to say that all male babies should be aborted. However, not every feminist is a man-hater and it is disingenuous to try to group them all as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 10:15 PM
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The hashtag #killallmen was trending quite a few times on Twitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 10:11 PM
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37 I find that the largest number of attractive, single women is somewhere between 22 and 27. That doesn't mean there aren't older attractive women, but they do become rarer as you look for older women. Personally, I have dated women up to six years older than me who were bombshells. The difference is that they did a lot of weight training and took care of their physical health.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:03 PM
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Just because there are a couple of crazy, unhinged feminists doesn't mean that feminism is a bad thing. The other manosphere content creators can denounce the bad ones until they are blue in the face. The media will always try to paint the whole as a negative thing based on a few bad actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:57 PM
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OP is discussing waiting in the realm of dating. If you and your friend weren't dating and/or you guys were in relationships, there's likely no sexual tension going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:06 PM
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The last FWB I had gave the best BJs. In return, I'd give her the deep, stimulating conversations that she enjoyed. The reason why I didn't want to elevate to relationship was because she was in severe debt with a low paying job. Plus, she had some mental issues. Being in a serious relationship with her would have put a drain on me, financially and mentally. Side note: OP, why post the same question in multiple subs?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:54 PM
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I never said women should sleep with someone on a first date. However, men should make some moves early on instead of waiting 3-5+ dates. If she's not showing mutual interest, then a man should cut his losses and move onto someone who is into him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:41 PM
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Sure. I never said women shouldn't wait. My point is that from a man's point of view, it doesn't make sense to wait over multiple dates because you don't know if she actually is attracted to you or not. Men should make some moves early on and see if there is mutual attraction. If she's not even open to making out or touch, then she's not really into you and you should focus your energy on someone who is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:36 PM
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What do you mean by that, though? Were you friends with these men and kept it platonic? Were you in another relationship so you kept a respectable boundary?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:32 PM
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Even women confirm that they know if they want to sleep with a man by the end of the first date. Why should men spend multiple dates and/or weeks only to find out she was using him as a foodie call and/or wasn't actually physically attracted to him? Might as well move things forward early on to make sure there is that sexual attraction on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 03:30 PM
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Nature's Viagra.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:37 PM
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Just because the average woman is fat doesn't mean an average, fat woman is averagely attractive. Similarly, if a bunch of rich people gave away their wealth, that doesn't make me richer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 09:26 PM
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It's been a while since I looked at the data/results. Did women send messages to men who were rated below 50% or were they sent to men who were below her defined average? Meaning, if the woman rated one guy 8/10 guy as average, and she messaged a guy who was 6/10, was she really messaging a below average guy? There are differences in opinion but there is some objectivity in beauty. If I described a woman who I think is a 10/10, she might not be your type, per se, but I'd highly doubt you'd rate …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:26 PM
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Attractiveness is subjective; however, there is a lot of overlap in what different women find attractive. That's where the 20% comes from. It doesn't mean women ONLY find those top 20% of men attractive. It means that, on average, women are setting a baseline of attractiveness that is higher than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:30 PM
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The problem is that after you have casual sex with hotter options, you're likely going to be disappointed when you have to compromise on physical attraction for a long-term mate. Can you overcome that? Sure, but it takes a bit of maturity and looking at long-term partners holistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:17 PM
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Even restraining yourself isn't foolproof. I've seen videos where women hit themselves to give them bruises to then use that as evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 03:36 PM
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The Madonna/Whore concept is written in some psychology books. It was coined by Sigmund Freud. So it's not specific to the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:43 AM
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Say a man wants to make a woman the mother of his children. That woman is now "saint-like" in his eyes. It's difficult for that man to then treat that women like a whore. Conversely, a man wouldn't want to wife up a slut and he's perfectly fine to continue treating her like a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:05 AM
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It seems like you're lying to those women so that they can feel better which then benefits you because you feel better about lighting them up. Imagine if men at the gym were perking one guy up by saying "Bro, you are one of the strongest men here!". And the guy in question is a flabby, middle-aged dude who can barely curl 25 lb dumbbells. It's one thing to encourage him by giving him compliments on his RELATIVE success (e.g., "hey man, you increased the weight by 10lbs from last month. Way to go…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:45 AM
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Because they use it relatively. When woman B calls woman A a 10/10, woman B is implicitly rating herself at least 10/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:40 AM
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My qualm was more about the nonchalant attitude, particularly the first couple of sentences: My advice to women - have sex when you are comfortable with it. If you want to have sex on the first date, go for it. If the guy doesn't call after that, he wasn't into anything more than sex and there's no point getting upset about someone that you wouldn't have worked out with anyway. It's as if you're telling OP to learn their lesson AFTER they've made their mistake. My suggestions mirrored yours; how…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:44 PM
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Of course nothing is foolproof. However, there are some patterns that one can pick up on to at least be cautious. For example, avoiding men who consistently try to push boundaries until a woman lowers her guard. Or avoiding low-effort "Netflix and chill" type of dates. To tell someone that if it happens it happens is basically leaving it all to chance. And if someone doesn't have that much dating experience and/or guidance, you're basically throwing them to the wolves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:44 PM
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Looks like it was deleted. Can't have people going against the grain there. Lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/23 09:46 PM
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That's not really advice. More of a philosophy. It is important to be comfortable in your choices and outcomes from said choices. However, if you want to avoid specific outcomes that are not in your control (in this case, being used for sex), then you have to think ahead in terms of who you're dating and what signals you're showing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:28 PM
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Something to consider is that the more attractive a woman is, the more likely she has mainly positive experiences with men. Why? Because men will bring their A game to try to form a relationship with those women. Assuming she has a good relationship with her father and stays away from creeps and jerks, she won't form negative opinions of men. Conversely, many average and below average women have negative experiences with men growing up. And they'll notice how much nicer attractive women are trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:25 PM
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I was about to say the same thing. The few times I pop into this sub, I see her engaging in multiple conversations on multiple topics. Her calling someone chronically online is ironic and/or projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:57 PM
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More likely that women will aim for men who meet a minimum income and ignore the ones who don't. There has been an uptick of female users on sugar dating apps, which lends to that theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:45 PM
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People typically compromise for the relationships they want, given that it's rare to find someone you mesh with on a deep level. If you find out later that you didn't have to compromise on certain things, you might feel slighted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:40 PM
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Sure. But you have to qualify for those programs. And they won't represent you as well as a paid firm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:20 PM
-2

Is it surprising that in a time where many people are living paycheck to paycheck, that not everyone has the thousands of dollars needed to fight for custody and win? Even if you win, your best outcome is 50/50 custody. And if the ex makes it difficult to see your child(ren) or turns your children against you, you might end up deciding to bail.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:49 AM
-1

I'll rephrase: if a lawyer knows that his client cannot pay for his services beyond a certain time, he'll likely start to push his client to cut his losses at that point. The opposite can happen on the other side, where the vindictive party wants to milk the ex dry. You'll see cases where they'll argue about something trivial, the value of which is less than the hours they just billed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:43 AM
-1

A man would have to have a really solid case to fight to get custody against the mother. Otherwise, it's a very difficult and expensive uphill battle. If the lawyer doesn't see a solid win, he'll probably suggest to not fight. Plus, the lawyer will know the client's finances, which will play a role in whether the client should fight or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:56 AM
1

Work with what you got. If your guy is into you, then that's all that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 04:03 AM
1

Would you give a chance to someone who got themselves into severe debt (e.g., >$100k)? Even if they paid off the debts, you know that they lived their lives in a rather risky way. And you're going to be hyper-aware of what they're doing to make sure that they don't drag you down if they relapse. That might make it challenging to establish a healthy, long-term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 04:01 AM
32

That HAS to be an April Fools post. Right?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/04/23 03:37 AM
3

I never said only tall women have burley builds. It's just that the taller a woman is, the more likely she has that body type.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:48 PM
3

Wouldn't you prefer to be in the realm of "potential high profile man's wife", though? Some men care about height and some don't. Assuming you don't belittle the guy for being shorter, it shouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately, a lot of taller women tend to also have burley builds, so that might limit you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:02 PM
2

Already putting interview questions on a dating profile? Bold strategy. Hope it works out for her.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/23 06:38 PM
-2

Haven't seen the video but I always wondered if the ones blocking are trying to keep the friend group intact. If the more attractive ones get coupled up, they're less likely to go out as a group, leaving the less attractive gals alone and/or unable to enter the club (the pretty ones tend to bypass the lines to the club).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:07 AM
36

Is it not common sense that getting into a fight may likely result in you getting hurt/knocked out? I too rough-housed with older relatives when younger. Although sometimes I held my own, I know that if they tried, they'd do some serious damage. Society condemns men for hitting women, and it seems like a lot of the women in these videos rely on that as an invincibility shield or something.
/r/PussyPassDenied08/03/23 10:36 PM
1

Might have been late last year or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:03 AM
1

Is livs4drpepper still active on here? She might have blocked me, but I never got to explain myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 08:56 AM
3

It's in women's nature to seek out the best prospects for father's to their children. Strong, successful, good genes, etc. Pointing it out tends to make some people defensive, though.
/r/PussyPassDenied06/02/23 05:50 PM
21

She could have caught it after that first post. Makes me wonder if she wasn't following that "not straight to physical" rule.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/01/23 04:22 AM
4

Divorce can be financially damaging to men. Especially later in life, when he cannot recover. Women, on the other hand, come out on top. In my opinion, both people should be self-sufficient and have a good social circle before entering long-term relationships. That way, you're not left in the cold if the relationship dissolves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 05:15 PM
1

If I may ask, does it affect you knowing those younger guys may be lower on the career ladder than you? Are those younger guys mainly for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 04:10 AM
2

How? If anything it's the opposite. Society has been pushing people to postpone family making in order to continue pushing consumerism. "30 is the new 20" became "40 is the new 20".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 06:28 PM
32

"...looking for love in what seems like all the wrong places" = Chad chaser.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/11/22 02:04 PM
5

Nothing wrong with that. Especially since in an online class you likely have objective evidence for your grade. Though if you did that excessively, that would have pissed me off if you were my classmate. Some ex classmates would constantly complain about their grade to get one or more points. It made the grading system seem like another popularity contest. It was a bit demotivating.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 01:56 PM
113

Online classes also means less opportunities for flirting/ass kissing between students and teachers. I witnessed many female peers whining their way to higher grades back in high school.
/r/PussyPassDenied09/11/22 06:27 PM
13

I blame the fat acceptance movement. It gives women like this the idea that they are all highly desired for more than just an easy lay.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/11/22 03:38 AM
4

Might not have an effect. In many places, the legal definition of r*pe involves a penis being inserted into a vagina. Articles will use the legal definition to avoid any lawsuits.
/r/PussyPassDenied30/10/22 01:34 PM
0

Depends on the state and whether there was an accident. A DUI gets bumped up to dwi if there was an accident of any kind. At least in Texas, dwi charges cannot be expunged.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/10/22 06:16 PM
35

My guess is that the deranged person linked subs that had female gore and asked if they could have male gore subs. Pretentiously. As if Reddit supports female gore but not male gore. So they used that as their excuse to leave Reddit. PPD isn't relocating. OP asked why FDS left.
/r/PussyPassDenied23/09/22 06:19 PM
3

"there is no reason to get a premium membership..." Unless you're an ugly and/or fat woman. Lol
/r/PussyPassDenied19/09/22 01:05 PM
6

Those men call that an easy lay up. Seriously. This woman likely bends over backwards for the rare tall man she matches with. Once he's tired of her BS, he'll just move onto another height queen.
/r/PussyPassDenied17/09/22 08:27 PM
14

Nah she can pay for the dates if she wants to do that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/09/22 02:41 AM
24

That is some bullsh*t, man. It upsets me so much that a mere accusation can ruin a man's life.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/22 09:27 PM
1

Can you write my biography?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/09/22 02:32 PM
93

Turn offs: Boys that cry... Especially right after she disrobes.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/09/22 01:15 PM
34

Yeah it's artificial inflation of a rock. I'm also curious if that other woman's man got a lab grown a diamond for a 10th of the price and just lied to her that it's actually worth $20,000. Lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/08/22 12:21 AM
105

Either her friend is lying to her about the value of her ring or her friend is much more attractive than she is.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/08/22 02:56 PM
3

And having women clean and make sandwiches is not the same as oppression.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/08/22 11:26 PM
4

At what age do women typically hit the wall? Depends on a lot of factors and I'll mention them in response to the next questions Is there even really a wall or is it more like a door to the 2nd hand market? In order to better understand, try replacing "The Wall" with "The amount of negotiating power you have in order to secure a quality partner with whom to start a family in a long-term, committed relationship". Women have everything they need in order to attract a mate at a young age. For argum…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:10 AM
44

You can tell by her headline that she's more interested in reading, "of course you're not the problem. You're perfect just the way you are and any guy would be lucky to be with you! Anyone who says otherwise is just a loser incel!"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/07/22 05:12 PM
4

Well, there might still be SOME physical attraction, but women typically view BB guy as the last resort. Or at least close to the last resort. Not all women are going to be okay with age-gap relationships. Maybe up to 25% of women will be comfortable with more than a 5 year gap. Still, if you're a man who has that status/income and are still relatively attractive, women who are 5-10 years younger will find you attractive enough for LTRs. IMO that's not beta-buxxing as you're both getting somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 02:10 AM
2

I'm not advocating for anything. People can do whatever they feel like doing and aim for whatever gets them their best outcomes. IMO, beta bucks implies paying above average prices for a below-average product. For example, being the backup plan for a leftover woman. If you're putting your money up for a fat woman, town bicycle, and/or single mother, then you're beta buxxing HARD. For me, I'd rather use my leverage to get with a woman who I actually want. There are plenty of younger/ fitter/more …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:41 AM
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This doesn't happen if there is a huge age gap. Says who? Plenty of younger women are willing to date men 10+ years older because those men bring more of what they want (e.g., finances, security) to the table. There are things that a partner can bring that make you overlook something like an age gap. For example, if a neurosurgeon really wants kids, he might date a mid-20 y/o woman and overlook that she is only making the minimum wage. That youth/fertility might compensate for the lack of experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:22 AM
0

Men are more likely to remarry quickly Married men become accustomed to that lifestyle. After marriage, most men end up alone due to a lack of social structure outside of the house/family. Of course, they're going to try to replicate it quickly. It's absolutely relevant that men cheat more when discussing divorces and relationships ending and causes of it. What I was referring to was men's fears that the marriage will breakup as a result of his wife cheating. Why should men ignore the possibilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:28 PM
0

One out of every ten women cheats. It's less than men but it's still significant. Men have a right to be nervous and upset at the possibility of his wife divorcing him and moving on quickly. Sex is easy for women to get in today's world. Also, it isn't relevant that men cheat at a higher rate unless you're also dating/marrying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:50 PM
2

LOL. I'll do you a solid since you made me listen to it again. It's Eddie Griffith speaking on the track "Ed-Ucation".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:39 PM
2

Currently, people are swiping on random people with whom they want to sleep and then hoping a relationship will form from that. If it didn't work with Hot person #1, then go back and try with Hot person #2. Lather, rinse, repeat. That essentially encourages hookup culture. Sex is important in relationships, but you have to form deeper connections for LTRs. And for that to be successful you have to remove the shallowness of swiping on only their pics and a short bio. I was a fan of the old OKCupi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:37 PM
1

Statistically, men cheat more but not by that much (~13% for women and ~20% for men). There's also a factor of age. Women are also slightly more likely to cheat between the ages of 18 and 29 (11% women vs 10% men). Study
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:05 PM
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Society does not encourage men to leave marriages because "they're not happy". Men are also less likely to leave marriages either out of duty to the family structure or because they'll lose a lot financially in a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 09:39 PM
2

That wasn't Dr. Dre, though. It was some comedian speaking on a Dr Dre track. Bomb album, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 09:21 PM
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This is true of literally all human relationships. I agree. However, society has a difficult time painting women in a negative (or even neutral) light. Men rarely hear of negative news stories when women are the culprits. Case in point, Amber Heard. People still want to give her the benefit of the doubt even with damning evidence against her. Without any counterbalance, men are quick to lower their guard when a woman shows him interest in the dating realm. AWALT reminds men not to get into a rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 08:35 PM
3

Work hard, smegma_enthusiast!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 06:45 PM
4

Last I checked, communication is a two way street. Women can tell their partners what they want to be happy in their relationship. By and large, they leave due to their own rationalizations instead of working it through with their painters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:08 PM
3

Random, stupid-ass questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:39 AM
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Is it not a valid concern for men, though? It is better to prepare for the worst than to be blindsided and left in the cold. Many men find themselves with a woman who they assume is "the one", then she leaves him for her gym instructor. A lot of men assume the best in women (aka Women are Wonderful) and then find out that women are not, in fact, all wonderful. It's an assumption that men have to break out of, and a mnemonic helps to remind them not to fall for that trap. Hence, AWALT. You might …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 04:51 AM
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Women assume that, but no. It's like women saying "all men have the ability to rape". As a man, I'd be offended if I saw that. However, it's still true. AWALT serves as a reminder to men that that even though this woman they are with seem wonderful, she still has the propensity to hurt them and/or financially ruin them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 04:37 AM
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Don't think TRP men assume any strategies will work on ALL women. However, men can put themselves in a better position to get what they want by observing what works on a larger percentage of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 04:27 AM
1

It's normalized to do whatever you feel like doing. No one is forcing you to wear makeup. You don't have to convince other women to join you if you feel like living life sans makeup. You call it insecurities; however, to many women, it's invigorating. Many enjoy looking youthful and flawless. Many enjoy the attention they get when they wear makeup. And many like that looking younger and flawless gives them more/better opportunities in life, including romantic ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 04:14 AM
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Engineer here. A few years ago, I spent a few days in Cancun purely to relax. Forgot to turn off my dating profiles (wasn't intending to meet any locals or tourists while there). When I returned to the States, I had like 200+ matches on Tinder. I was baffled. Some of those gals were hot, too! Normally in a week, I'd be lucky to get one match. lol Being economically attractive gains you quite a bit more outside of the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:59 AM
16

If you're attractive, why not get into sales and let that natural attractiveness make you more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:52 AM
1

Mechanical engineer + software programmer. My college life was boring in comparison to my athlete/liberal arts buddies. I was in a music fraternity, though, and that made up for it a bit. If you're reliant on your job to interact with women, then yes, you're going to struggle if you're in a male-dominated industry. If you're in my position, you'd make up for fewer opportunities with women by getting into extracurriculars. I travel, hike, take a few cardio courses at the gym, do public speaking, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:48 AM
6

Dayum, son! Preach!
/r/PussyPassDenied10/05/22 03:13 AM
12

That's a catch-22, though, because if you take period leave, odds are you'll have to spend extra time with the missus. *edit* oh nvm, you're taking time off AFTER her period leave. lol
/r/PussyPassDenied10/05/22 03:11 AM
4

Counter productive to what though? Or to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 04:34 AM
1

I agree. You usually have to make concessions if you're dating with long term intentions. That can cause resentment in some.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 07:02 PM
1

Student loan + consumer debt + wages that are not consistent with inflation levels = trouble. A large percentage of men and women that age are one paycheck away from being in a bad financial situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:15 PM
3

Or even on the internet in general. Majority of people just talk past each other without at least considering why the other party holds their views. "I'm always right and everyone who disagrees with me hates me/ is racist/ is *-ist".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:23 PM
2

You got my vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:27 AM
1

look it up. He literally said black women are the least desirable and have the worst facial symmetry He had data to back up that claim. He quoted a lot from blackdemographics.com if I recall correctly. Black women were the least married and had a higher rate of single motherhood compared to other races. Plus, he was in-network with a lot of higher status black men, who would tell him why they decided to date outside of their race. It's not far-fetched to make some correlations from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:30 PM
2

There are lots of men who like larger women as well, especially if they have redeeming qualities. I don't have data to back this up, but if those men had the option of a slim woman or a fat woman, I'd bet money they'll most likely choose the slim woman all else being equal. The men who choose fat women do so because they have no better options and would rather take something rather than nothing. I'd argue only a small minority of men genuinely desire fat women. And even some of those men are fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 08:07 PM
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If women are attracted to fatter men, then it wouldn't. There are some women who are okay with fat men, especially if he has redeeming qualities. Most HAES/FA messages are aimed at women, though. By and large, men are more drawn to slimmer women. We're drawn to healthy weight women because they are more likely to have successful pregnancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 07:45 PM
2

I took dying alone as not having a spouse/children to look after you when you become unable to do so on your own. Also, whether people will remember you after you're gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 07:28 PM
3

What does this reaction say about modern society? Not once did any of his detractors prove his points wrong. They simply wanted the messenger to shut up and now they're rejoicing. Silencing the messenger doesn't make the message go away, though. KS spoke a lot of truth. That truth won't go away, even if people do not like to hear it. Is it opposed to hearing people like Kevin Samuels talk bad on women? There is a certain demographic of women who find themselves above the men of the same demograp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 07:11 PM
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I don't think the normalization of obesity (particularly in women) is going to change whether men are attracted to fat women. It's only going to make a greater demand for the smaller supply, as you've noticed. You can complain about whatever you want with regards to your troubles in dating. It's up to you to figure out what you can do about it to improve your situation. A lot of people can sometimes make up for what they lack to get what they desire. Like how a fat guy can end up with a thin wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 01:59 PM
1

Not really. We make the mistake of assuming all the women these men slept with were 8+/10. The reality is that a lot of those women were just low hanging fruit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 01:35 PM
1

True. We don't know how things turn out years from now. I'm in my mid 30s and have been in two relationships I thought would be my last. 🥲 Nowadays, it's a lot more casual relationships (I'm always upfront about that, though). Some of the women want commitment but there's less reason for me to settle down at this stage in my life. Hence my warning about assuming you'll have the same level of romantic success later in life. In any case, I'm rooting for you two. Hopefully you get to avoid dating a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 09:14 PM
1

That's fair, but something to consider is that you're young and (I'm assuming) at least moderately attractive. You have all the leverage right now in the dating realm. You can turn away guys who wanted commitment when you didn't want that. You're also college aged, so you likely encounter a lot of single men on a consistent basis. Should you find yourself single later in life, you might get frustrated when the men you're attracted to are a lot rarer and it becomes much more difficult to attract …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:51 PM
1

Some men may be looking for something serious but they won't turn down easy sex. The problem is a lot of those men are not forthcoming early in the dating process whether they intend to date you for the long term. You might assume things are going a certain direction and then find out that he was seeing other women on the side. Hopefully you're able to avoid that, but situations like that are not uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:27 PM
1

As long as you are getting the outcomes you want, then your standards are fine. Something to consider, though, is that you should also meet the standards of the men you want. Additionally, a given man might have one set of standards for casual sex and a different(i.e., higher) standard for women he intends to date with serious intention. There may come a time where you start failing to meet those long-term standards. For example, the men you're attracted to may prefer younger, slimmer, childless…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 07:50 PM
0

You can encourage a woman all you want but you cannot force her to take that high-paying/high-stress job she had before kids. And if she decides to go part time or stay at home with the kids, you're in a world of hurt if/when she decides to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 12:56 PM
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Don't these women have other sources of entertainment? Why does "having my fun" usually mean sleeping around?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/22 01:34 PM
1

Think of those stereotypical men who naturally get all the girls. Most of them never heard of the Red Pill, but they operate in a way as if they did. Same difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:55 PM
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What hurts women the most is that by the time they give up on securing the top-tier man and decide to settle down (let's say on average 35 y/o) the decent men her age are going to have higher standards for the women they intend to LTR/marry. Older men have more to lose, so of course they're going to be more discerning compared to when he was a broke college aged lad. Mid-thirties and above is where you see women complaining about men their age going after younger women, women who do not have kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 01:44 PM
1

Maybe some of them get off online dating apps and meet someone in person? Maybe some of them learn to live their best lives without a romantic partner by his side? Time will tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:12 AM
2

Are people not allowed to joke? Given how difficult it is for an average man to get a date, let alone a LTR, some of them choose to joke around about that stuff. It'd be a different story if the top comment was something like "he ate them all" or something along those lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:09 AM
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That's going to be considered a h8 crime at some point.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/04/22 03:20 PM
12

Another option is that she's a sugar baby/ escort. She's still young and attractive enough to pull that off.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/04/22 02:46 PM
1

I forgot that the Patriarchy works in mysterious ways. Even though I do not benefit from it nor participate in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 05:08 AM
3

Depends on how you define "true love". Is there such thing as "the one"? I don't think so. Can two people form a deep romantic connection and both work on developing something for the rest of their lives? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 05:01 AM
3

Serves me right for wanting clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:44 AM
2

I got banned on /r/askwomen for derailing a post that I created. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:37 AM
2

Hope you invested in peanut butter stocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 12:16 AM
2

You don't seem to grasp that men aren't taught ALL women have the potential to be a bad person. They're typically taught that only CERTAIN women have that possibility. We're usually raised to assume the best in women and not be cautious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:31 PM
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You WANT to believe that men can understand all of that just like women do. And that's fine. But unless you lived a man's life, you don't know how men are typically raised and how our society/environment shapes men's ideas of how women are. Many men aren't raised to think of all women as potentially bad. And why would they? Why would men be taught that we need to protect ourselves from women when we're physically stronger than 99% of women? Why would we assume that the women in our lives could h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:00 PM
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I was referring to men who are raised to assume the best in the women that they date and then marry them. Whereas, women are at least raised to be cautious of men and only pursue relationships with them if they think he's husband material. My point is, men pursue relationships without considering that the woman he's pursuing might not be all rainbows and sunshine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:33 PM
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Sure. Ignoring that, there's still a noticable difference in how a boy is treated versus how his sister is treated. Girls can play dumb/coy/cute and get away with bad behavior. A boy pretends to play dumb and he gets a lecture/whooping. Even a Mama's boy gets punished when he does something bad. That can instill the idea that women shouldn't be punished. IMO that mindset is why women tend to get lesser punishments when committing the same crime a man does.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 03:49 PM
3

I never said anything about husbands or significant others. Please don't put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 03:42 PM
14

Women are taught to be wary of ALL men meanwhile men are given the impression that the women they are interacting with are "not one of the bad ones".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 03:28 PM
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The typical dynamic in a household with one girl results in the girl getting her own room, her own toys, her own clothes. Meanwhile the boys had hand me downs and likely had to share a room. Certain cultures also promote girls becoming women (e.g. quinceneras in Spanish culture) while they had no similar celebration for men in the same culture. Boys are expected to be men from the get go. Even in "Mama's boy" situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 03:25 PM
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I would argue that most negative behavior from women is attributed to subsets of women. Men get the impression that only porn stars, gold diggers, prostitutes engage in those immoral acts. So they are blindsided when the women they dated/married ,who they thought wasn't one of those women, ends up cheating on him with multiple men. Whereas women are taught that all men have the capacity to harm them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 03:07 PM
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Not directly teaching them but it's implied at times. Even boys that have sisters witness "daddy's little angel" get away with the bare minimum or even bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 02:59 PM
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The point is, men would be less likely to enter/ stay in toxic relationships if they had realistic expectations of women instead of assuming they're all sweet angels. And they would be better off told from a young age that a single man isn't necessarily a failure in life. That would lessen the pressure to put up with toxic women just to be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 02:54 PM
3

We may value female friendships too much, honestly. If a male friend found himself in a relationship, I can still hang out with him one-on-one. The same can't be said for a female friend getting into a relationship. Usually, opposite sex friends stop hanging out solo, out of respect for the new partner. Understandable, but you still lose a friend that way. And losing a great friendship sucks, especially when neither of you did anything wrong, per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 10:47 PM
2

Your translations crack me up!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/03/22 01:28 AM
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I prefer Reddit's system of alerting me when someone responded to my comments and letting me navigate directly to that thread. I only browse social media a few times a day, so that method is more effective for me. On Discord, seeing whether someone responded to me can be a convoluted mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 10:50 PM
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"Pretty woman was based on a true story. That happens all the time" - delusional women.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/03/22 01:28 PM
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Viagra prescriptions went up in proportion to the average US woman's weight. Coincidence? I think not.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/03/22 08:58 PM
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It's pretty toxic when someone chooses someone not because they value them as a romantic prospect, but because they know that other person can't do better. It's a form of extortion, effectively getting the other person to put you on a pedestal. Both people should value the other in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 08:51 PM
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A little extra muscle is not going to offset the sagginess of a lot of extra fat, though. There are limits. Even if you can deadlift 500 pounds, unless you're low in body fat %, those body parts will sag more compared to if you weren't carrying that extra weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 08:27 PM
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Military tends to operate nationally/globally. I'm very much against being the world police. However, you still need structure/order at a local level. You can't NOT have a police, since crime would run rampant.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 08:04 PM
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If you're carrying extra weight, gravity will do some extra work on you, meaning your boobs/butt will be saggier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 08:01 PM
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Many of my older friends and family would say that they only date fat women because "fat girls try harder." Not to get graphic/obnoxious, but they'd say that those girls showed their hunger in bedroom. Not sure how true that is today with the whole "I'm a queen." mindset running rampant, even among obese women. In any case, I can see a relatively attractive man willing to lower his physical expectations if the woman is nicer, is domesticated, and/or has excellent head game. IMO chubby girls prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 07:51 PM
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You can be a part of the government while wanting a small government. This is even more the case if you're operating locally.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 06:48 PM
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So she's trying to avoid being filtered out. Lol. I'm surprised she didn't also pull the "it won't let me change my age from 25. Teehee" trick as well.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/03/22 01:28 PM
1

Y'all are greedy. Lol. What if you could only choose one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 09:20 PM
1

That's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 07:42 PM
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I find more women online admitting to having open relationships where they sleep with hot and/or rich guys and then come home to their safe boyfriends. Sadly, most of those bfs are more than happy to be in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 07:31 PM
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True. It would have been a fun thought process but in hindsight, I should have come up with a better scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 07:25 PM
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Q4W: let's say you're dating two men: 10/10 man offers to Netflix and chill (and nothing more). 6/10 man offers to take you to a five star restaurant and is genuinely interested in more than just sex. Would you consider yourself a 10/10 woman, a 6/10? Would you split the difference and say you're an 8/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 07:17 PM
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My point is politicians do not need a law degree, though. In the past, a higher number of politicians had backgrounds of doctors, engineers, scientists, and teachers. At least in the US. The previous chancellor of Germany had a background in nuclear science, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 03:49 PM
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The majority of them are lawyers, which is all that needs to be said about that. What I hate is that it's one big popularity contest nowadays. "Who cares that person X acted against my best interests when he/she was governor twenty years ago. I'm gonna vote for them because I'd likely enjoy a beer with them." 🤦‍♂️ Our society is doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 01:28 PM
1

How would you know if someone likes a pic on Instagram?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 01:22 PM
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I've been in one or two relationships where the passion dies out and the excitement of having sex with someone wanes. I was much younger and thought that attraction would grow over time. Turns out that's typically not the case. When you come to terms with what drives you sexually, you realize that a minimum level of lust has to exist for you to be satisfied in a long term relationship. Otherwise you just become roommates and end up resenting your partner. I agree that we shouldn't encourage peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 07:34 PM
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Fiber optics companies usually don't throttle your upload speeds. That was the case back when I had FiOS. 200down/200up. Cable companies usually limit your upload to 10% of your download speed. I suspect they do that because they are mostly owned by media corps and want to limit piracy that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 05:22 PM
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Were you in that mix of women? I had a suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 05:18 PM
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They're more likely to adopt the language that men use to describe attractive women. They'll especially avoid descriptions that are negative by association, even if they are more factual. Ever notice that online dating platforms have like 20 different variations of the fat description (e.g., chubby, a little extra, more to love). Words like that are easier on the ears compared to fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 08:04 PM
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Personally, body counts aren't a huge issue as long as it's casual. But you're right. In a long term relationship, which is a huge investment that includes risk, sexual history plays into whether you want to risk your future with someone. It's similar to how banks care whether you've gone bankrupt in the past before considering lending you money. Or how pharmaceutical companies care whether you've had drug problems before considering hiring you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:31 PM
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I actually like voluptuous women. As long as she still has feminine curves, I'm game. However, BBWs are usually above the obese category on the BMI scale. At that point, even if the weight was distributed proportionately, it throws everything off. Very rarely are they obese because of how athletic they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 12:16 PM
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No offense, but fit men who pump the bigger girls are part of the issue. Not saying you should stop doing that, btw. Bigger women who slept with fit men end up thinking they're good enough to get commitment from attractive men, when that mostly likely won't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 11:01 PM
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There are plenty of documented cases. In many of those cases, the men said something like, "I never knew she was capable of that." It's best to learn from the mistakes of others and not put yourself in a vulnerable position.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:19 PM
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Most women just want the wedding. They do not want to be wives. It's not uncommon for women to stop trying to please their partners once they locked him down. Add to that that she has financial incentives to leave in case she isn't happy. All she has to say in divorce court is that he's abusive and she gets to kick the ex husband out of the house that he mostly paid for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 06:59 PM
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Successful relationships are give and take, though. You have to see him as a HVM and he has to see you as his HVW. My point is that you can improve yourself so that you get good options. For some reason, many FDSers aren't willing to improve themselves to get the men they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 12:51 PM
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What stumps me is that many of their strategies work... If you're already what attractive, "HVM" want. If you're getting approached by good and bad options, then it's good to vet out the bad ones. If all you're attracting are the bad ones, then vetting won't do you any good. You'll have to make some changes to yourself, physically and mentally. Otherwise you'll stay where you are, relationship-wise. Also, I've never once read that they should make some changes to attract better men. They all see…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 12:09 PM
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Women still enjoy sex. However, one of the biggest complaints from women who pursue casual sex is that the men typically use their bodies as a walking Fleshlight.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 08:04 PM
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That's tough. I dated a few military gals before. You all are sometimes hardheaded, but pretty structured. I like that. Lol Typically, those in the military stay in decent shape, so the wall might wait a bit for ya. Maybe your degree will open avenues towards the professional men? Most of my successful relationships were from meeting through mutual friends. My two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:58 PM
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True. Some of my lawyer friends didn't think about having kids until they were 35 and established. Only the men in that group wound up in long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:44 PM
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For point 1, of course there is a middle ground. But typically, someone who is ambitious and makes good money has the mindset of wanting success in all avenues in life. This includes relationships. Unfortunately, you're less likely to lower your standard of living to bring in a romantic partner. Most women do not want to date down, economically, so that puts a limit there. And if you're selecting from that limited pool, there may not be too many physically attractive options available. Suppose y…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:42 PM
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Did you live in a rural area or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:31 PM
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Your flair is something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 06:56 PM
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I'm starting to sympathize a bit more with the hypergamous career women. As you climb furthur up the socio economic ladder, you are less likely to accept what you could have had when you were younger and/or broke. In other words, your standards for a partner have only gone up. If you find yourself having the wealth/income to support yourself and a hypothetical family of four, why would you accept whatever straggler comes your way? If the options are getting into a relationship with an unattracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 06:56 PM
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We should ask women to be smaller, that way more men can be seen as masculine by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 04:47 PM
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There's a difference between what men desire and what they're okay with. Many men do not have the luxury of choice between a chubby and slender woman. Was it 50-70% of women are overweight in the US, depending on age? Unless you're a very desirable man, your dating options are heavier women or staying single. Some men would rather have a partner versus none. As a man becomes more desirable and successful, though, how good his partner looks becomes a bigger deciding factor. https://www.marketwatc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:21 AM
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I've had plenty of teachers give some tidbits of information outside of the established curriculum. Libraries have plenty of references of accomplished female inventors/entrepreneurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 02:26 PM
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Gotcha. I misread your first sentence before. Yeah, there's a price for dating an attractive gal. You have to at least get into that top 20% income bracket. Can't let the trophy go dull, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 02:06 PM
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Meeting in person is where it's at. When I ran some meetup groups years ago, I'd have better luck meeting women, both younger and older. If you have that vibrant, youthful energy (not sure how to better describe it) and can relate to those who are younger than you, you'll fare better with the younger crowd (assuming that's what you want).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:56 PM
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Which men said that they want independent women and/or high salary ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:17 PM
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I refuse to believe that our teachers are too dumb to do their own research.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:10 PM
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Without knowing what you look like, my guess would be that you look as attractive as women their age? There could be other factors at play, like where they're approaching you (e.g., school, nightclub, bar).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:32 AM
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Interesting. Dating someone older than you doesn't make you less desirable by the way, nor does it mean you can't date younger. I never said that. People should be able to date whoever they want, within all legal bounds. The fact remains, though, when given a chance, men typically aim lower in age. For a lot of women who find themselves above the age of 40, it catches them by surprise when men their age start to choose younger women. The whole thing you're describing sounds patriarchal and a bit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:20 AM
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Is that not true of the younger women as well? I should have elaborated. In general, I find a larger number of the younger women attractive enough to pursue compared to older women. There are fewer older women that I'd want to date. Not for lack of options, either. I had plenty of older women message me first on OLD, but they just didn't catch my eye. That's kind of what the "wall" is in a nutshell. Due to less physical attraction and possibly more baggage (e.g., emotional issues, children from …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 09:54 PM
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As a mid-30s dude, I mostly date women who are between 25 and 32 and connect with them well. However, I've dated a few women as old as 40 and had great relationships with them too. I had to find them attractive before I connected with them emotionally, though. Otherwise, I wouldn't pursue them further. Some of those women either had good genetics or were in the military / into fitness at a young age. They obviously looked better at 25 than at 40. However, at 40 they still looked good enough for …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 09:06 PM
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Wasn't he chubbier before? I didn't see him much after Silicon Valley. He might not be your cup of tea now. That's fine. The fact remains, though, your dating pool increases (and arguably improves) when you get in shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:42 PM
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Lifting/hitting the gym is one of the core tenets of the RP. Improve yourself while making yourself attractive to the opposite sex. I wouldn't recommend steroids, though. That might mess with ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 02:29 PM
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Would you agree that he looks better now compared to before? If yes, then you got your answer. Men who are in shape are going to have more sex appeal compared to when they are not in shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 01:25 PM
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I was under the impression you were going to share that info outside of reddit. Have fun!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 12:48 AM
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In general you don't want to advertise that you are leading your home unprotected.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 11:08 PM
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Hope you overcome whatever it is you're dealing with. Mental problems are no joke!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 11:03 PM
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Some women get pleasure from having their butthole toyed with. Or so I hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 10:58 PM
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Just had to accept that no matter how good of a man I was, a woman can decide that she wants out of a relationship on a whim. Even if she's just thinking with what's between her legs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:01 PM
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What if you woke up and that woman was berating you for forgetting a chore the previous night? What if she gained so much weight that bedroom fun was no longer fun? The grass isn't always greener on the other side, my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 06:48 PM
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If you wanted objectivity, you would ask others (particularly men you'd want to date) to rate you. Only then will you get a better sense of where you rank compared to other women. That 7.5 was probably when she was 15 years younger and 15+ pounds lighter.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/03/22 12:39 AM
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Given that she thinks so highly if herself, she's probably being generous with the 7.5 rating. That's probably where she was fifteen years ago and before she "got chubby in the face".
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/03/22 07:20 PM
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Ironically, that I would be there for her whenever something happens to her. She didn't like being vulnerable, and at some point, she decided she wanted to pursue other relationships instead of maintaining what she and I had.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 04:21 AM
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"The wall" refers to that period of time where a woman realizes that she's now competing with younger women for the men she is desiring. You might find that men your age are now dating women who are 5 to 10+ years younger than you are. This makes it difficult to secure commitment from a man "on your level". It's not always at 30 when a woman hits the wall. It can be anywhere from 23 to 35 or so. It really depends on how attractive you are compared to women who are 10 years younger than you and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:56 AM
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Makes me wonder if she's single by choice or by force.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 01:51 AM
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Don't threaten me with a good time. lol Seriously, though, I don't get why women write such negativity in their profiles. If a man reads that, how can he not assume the woman is a total B?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:38 AM
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Q4W: Why do women write "I know my value/worth" on a dating profile? What does that even mean? None of us really know what our value/worth is to a prospective romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:29 AM
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Where do you get those numbers from? Does that include MLMs?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:20 AM
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Assuming you spent 5-15 years living in nice mansions with all the amenities they provide, you're going to be accustomed to that lifestyle. It would be difficult to appreciate the old, comfortable home as if you didn't spend that time living in mansions. Given that were talking about people here, men want to feel like you appreciate him without being compared to the big, fancy mansion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:19 AM
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And only rent yourself to hot chicks. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:03 AM
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Incel is short for "involuntary celibate". The fact that you're getting some means that the celibate part no longer applies. Congrats on the sex, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:47 PM
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You have to account for the fact that those apps want as many people on them as possible. Why? So that you get enticed enough to pay for the upgrades. If enough people swipe left on you, then the app's algorithms will put you lower on the totem pole of profiles and show you to women who are also lower on the totem pole. The idea should be that you get paired with someone who is on your level, eventually. However, with women aiming higher than they are, it skews average men with below average wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:38 PM
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When I was a broke college student, I didn't care what car I drove. Anything that was reliable was okay. Now that I have my finances in order and am looking for my forever car, I'm a lot more precarious on it because I want it to last forever. Something something fewer previous owners and lower mileage on my forever car.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:13 PM
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Promiscuous women are not suitable choices for a healthy, long-term, monogamous relationship. Pretty sure most RP and non-simp BP men agree. Men have to build themselves up (i.e., work high-demanding, high-paying jobs) so that they become "husband/father" material. A by-product of that is that they contribute a lot to society, whether it's by laborious/tedious work with infrastructure (e.g., trucking, construction) or paying more in taxes. There are fewer and fewer marriage-worthy women availabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 10:36 PM
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Semantics. Chad operates as if he was already "awoken".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 03:14 AM
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I agree. If you're average to below-average in attractiveness, you won't turn heads as much as a hot woman. Can't really help that. That's life. You can still be approachable (e.g., wearing clothes that accentuates your features, showing choosing signals, making eye contact, smiling) and that can certainly get you more attention compared to a man at the same relative SMV/RMV. I think we can at least agree that in the dating/mating game, men have to approach women and women choose from the pool o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:51 PM
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I say yes. It serves in women's best interest to judge the men based on past behaviors (e.g., drug problems, used to beat his partners, money problems).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 03:27 AM
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I've been known to crack a laugh from time to time. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 02:04 AM
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How did you go from non-black to black after 5 decades?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 01:08 AM
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If you're a woman and want to hook up with someone, you just have to make yourself available and filter out the offers you do not want. If you're a man and want to hook up, you have to put in some effort (e.g., be attractive, have charisma, buy her drinks, woo her, impress her, etc.) in order for her to even consider your offer. Even with some effort, you can end up empty handed. As a woman, you can go to a bar/club and have guys hit on your left and right. Men do not get that luxury unless he i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 12:23 AM
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Having sex isn't bad. Never said it was. However, the higher the body count: Higher likelihood of STDs More likely to cheat/less likely to be satisfied in a long-term relationship More likely to have some sort of physical/mental trauma from past sexual partner (i.e., more baggage) More likely to have had bad experiences with sex More likely to disassociate love and sex
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:19 PM
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People can change, yes. When it comes to long-term investments and/or entering a long-term relationship, you have to assess the risks, though. Let's say you are talking with someone who used to do hard drugs. Now he had a change of heart and he only wants to be good. You're likely going to be very reluctant to deal with him, even if he's now a good person. You also might not want to put in years to determine whether this person really is a good person or not. Because you might be wasting your ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:10 PM
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You can learn how to be better with money, but that won't make you a millionaire if you had to declare bankruptcy at a young age. Highly unlikely. My point is that some mistakes might set you back in ways that you will not be able to overcome. Companies make mistakes with money all the time! They invest in something bad, lose a shit ton of money. Does it mean the company can therefore never make a profit again? Some can turn things around, but even more end up failing and closing up shop.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:40 PM
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We all make mistakes, especially when young. However, that doesn't absolve you from the negative consequences of those mistakes. This is even more so the case when you want something in the future. If someone wants to be a millionaire, they cannot afford to make big mistakes in money at a young age. Otherwise, you might not become a millionaire. Same thing when it comes to sleeping around at a young age. Doing so might make potential partners weary of choosing you as a long-term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:14 PM
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High value probably isn't the right term to use with regards to having high n counts/casual sex. It's more likely that he's desirable, at least from a physical perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:08 PM
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Romantic partners do not have to have the same background as you do. If a man had a drug problem growing up, is it wrong for him to avoid women who had/have drug issues? Dating doesn't have to be fair across the board. Otherwise, broke women would never be able to date men with money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:58 PM
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Lol. That's a funny take.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 01:59 PM
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You should make it interesting and throw in sugar babies in there as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 01:26 PM
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lol Do you think that real men are out here sharing their partners' n-counts/past sex lives with their mates in order to one-up each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 03:34 AM
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He wants to be valued by his partner. It's similar to knowing that a man you're dating used to take his dates on expensive trips/dinners. Then you see pics of his previous exes and you see that they are objectively more attractive than you. Perhaps he values you more than he did his exes, especially if he proposed to you. It might raise some doubts in your head, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 01:48 AM
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I'm sorry, are you implying that playing video games is as unenjoyable for men as being feminine is for women? If it's unenjoyable for you, then that's unfortunate. I'd counter that it's not always enjoyable for me or other men to make upwards of six figures. However, we do these things with consideration of what a potential partner might desire in a romantic partner. TIL I learned that a woman not forcing herself to be feminine against her will is being selfish. Please don't twist my words. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:00 AM
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The difference is that TRP works for men who put in the work. Unless we're genetically gifted, men have to put in the work to attract attractive partners. Whereas FDS works for women who don't need to put in the work (e.g., young, beautiful, feminine women). Those women already have many men (good and bad) looking to date them so it's in their best interest to do the proper vetting to weed out the bad. No "HVM" is going to put in effort trying to break down the walls put up by some average or be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:40 AM
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We want cool lives doing cool things. And plenty of men like playing video games all day in their mom's basement. Does that increase the likelihood of women being attracted to said man? If you eventually want to meet a quality partner and share cool things/activities together, the both of you have to meet in the middle. He has to meet at least some of your standards and you have to meet at least some of his. You can't just live selfishly, become the kind of woman that men do not want, and expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:34 AM
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"...are even more demonstrably good partners, nomatter how many people they've fucked." I agree with what you said, especially with how they treat sex/their past lovers. However, there's likely an upper limit to that number, above which either you've fucked up or something fucked up happened to you. Trauma does impact long term relationship satisfaction, unfortunately. I'll leave it there, though. Peace out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:22 PM
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The data suggests otherwise. People with a higher number of sexual partners have a higher tendency to cheat. It stands to reason that those same people become bored in long-term, committed relationships. In other words, they become hooked on experiencing new sexual partners and have a difficult time staying with one. Not saying all people who engaged in that behavior are incapable of staying faithful, but it is a trend. No need to get offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 06:38 PM
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No one is claiming "self-respect" and "leveling up" as if they invented it. It's more so that people are coddled growing up (e.g., "you're beautiful just the way you are) and don't realize that they need to make changes in their lives if they want the outcomes that they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:13 PM
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Whatever the reason, someone who values long-term relationships will try to be in one and avoid hookups/flings. At most they'd get into a few short-term non-committed relationships. Long-term relationships require both parties to be interdependent. If a person had a plethora of shorter term relationships, that person has more experience in those scenarios and isn't going to know how to handle the issues that arise in long-term relationships. They're more likely to exit a potentially fruitful LTR…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:09 PM
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Do you think that if you never knew about her promiscuous past that you'd still be interested in her?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:53 PM
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Getting out of your comfort zone can be nerve-racking, but it builds character. Good luck and have fun!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:52 PM
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From a biological perspective, that is not "wrong". Women have to be really selective when it comes to who they mate with. However, statistically, it's troubling from a long-term relationship perspective, especially in modern society. Assuming that you've passed by 1000 men in a month, you only find one of them attractive. Is the 1/1000 man going to find you attractive? If you're looking for comfort and security that you'd get from a family structure, you might be backing yourself into a corner.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:48 PM
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I'm fine dating women with casual sex experience. It depends on the balance, IMO. If she has been in one long term relationship by 30 but has a body count in the double digits, then she knows how to operate shorter term relationships better. If she's been in one serious LTR and had one or two FWBs before and after then that's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:34 PM
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I agree with your first couple of paragraphs. On your last one: "Having a one night stand could give you an orgasm lol. And those are fun " As humans, we're driven by things that give us pleasure. That can be addicting. What I said remains: if you've had more flings/ONS/hookups than you've had long term relationships, then you mostly know how to operate within shorter term relationships. You're more likely to be flighty when any inconvenience pops up in a longer term relationships. LTRs require …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:31 PM
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a few shorter term relationships, and a handful of more brief hookups/FWB scenarios/one night stands, etc. Is it that difficult to comprehend that this pattern/mindset doesn't lend itself well to a long-term committed relationship? Experience in hooking up/flings does not translate to experience in longer-term relationships. You also cannot just do the opposite of what you did before and assume that you have what it takes for a longer, committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:56 AM
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It's fun (or at least it can be) to explore sex with someone you clicked with at a party or some event. With an established partner, you know how they operate in the bedroom. With a hookup, it's a lot more random,w hich can make it much more exciting. This is especially the case when a woman wants to live her pornstar fantasy. You might learn a thing or two. That person can give you some ideas for your future sex life. At least for me, hookups turned to FWBs (and on a few occasions, a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:46 AM
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I hear ya. We generalize to help us navigate life, but we can't extrapolate that accurately. Each of us has very unique lived experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:06 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:58 AM
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How can a preference out you? You can't be the only guy with a certain requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:19 AM
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Wait, is OP a man and answering his own question for men? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:15 AM
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Only if she's got buns, hun.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:14 AM
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Funny how these threads can get derailed a bit. If the topic of promiscuity comes up again, I'll keep a lookout for your screen name.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:02 AM
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Hey, I'm all for paternity testing in every case. If it was the default for every birth, then what we're discussing is a non-issue. And of course, you could always do a paternity test behind the mother's back (which is illegal or inadmissable in court in some places) or be clever and do the DNA test for the family. Still, unless it's a very obvious difference (e.g., skin color) a man won't suspect the child isn't his. If anything, some genealogical traits won't be evident until the child grows. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:20 AM
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I don't want to get caught up in semantics here. Even if they advertised accurately, experiencing shooting a gun is different (and far more beneficial/enjoyable) than just looking at one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:02 AM
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Let's start over. Resources might be given away if a man cheats. I'll give you that. Aside from resources, though, a woman cheating means that a man is also raising a child as if it was his own. There's no equivalent in the other direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:37 PM
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Youre talking around my points so I see no reason to continue debating. Peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:22 PM
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There are also escorts that play video games with their clients. That's outside of what they typically do, though. Most OF women keep their activities virtual. I will give you that in all cases, they allow some kind of gratification for their customers. And they're also getting paid to give the illusion that they care about said customers. But the similarities end there. If I went to a shooting range because I wanted to shoot a gun, and the range only had pictures of guns and videos of guns bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:11 PM
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1) A man can be suckered into raising a child that isn't biologically his. A woman cannot. 2) A man cheats and gets another woman pregnant. That woman will typically try to get money or other resources from the man. Usually with the threat of revealing the cheating to his wife. If a wife gets pregnant by some other man, that other man is perfectly happy to not pay anything towards that kid. Those are the main ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:06 PM
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At it's core, some are in person and the others are through some medium (phone, PC). They are already different in that regard. If you fail to see that, then that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:00 PM
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It's not the same but I'll agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:55 PM
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You have to suspect that your wife cheated, though. Otherwise, you'd have no need for a paternity test. Also, women find paternity tests to be insulting in the first place and a sign that her partner doesn't trust her. Most men would avoid that drama. If the man is sending money to someone else, that can be discovered. If he isn't sending money to pay for a child he made, best assured that the baby mama will reveal what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:50 PM
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At least with the man's case, there's a paper trail a woman can follow. You can investigate where the money is going. If a cheating woman is discrete enough, the man will never suspect a thing (assuming the physical traits of the baby are close enough).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:42 PM
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Let me rephrase. A wife isn't going to get another woman pregnant. However, another man can get your wife pregnant. And she might tell you that it's yours. Now you're raising some other man's kid. THAT'S why men are more likely to avoid promiscuous women. If your husband cheats on you and gets another woman pregnant, you can leave the relationship cleanly. The same isn't true for men because a man wouldn't know if a pregnant wife is carrying his child or not. Make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:32 PM
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Studies have shown that previously promiscuous women are more likely to cheat compared to women with a fewer number of partners. While it doesn't mean she'll cheat, there's more of a risk that she will. To your second point, men worry about their wives getting pregnant from another man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:22 PM
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I was pretty clear. Escorts/prostitutes/strippers give men the physical connection that they typically crave from a woman. Aka girlfriend experience. OF/insta models/twitch thots take advantage of lonely men (simps) and are just egging them on to squeeze more dollars out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:20 PM
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Some glasses might help.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:09 PM
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Prostitutes, strippers, and escorts, sugar babies serve a purpose in a society where average men cannot get with their looksmatch. They give those men the girlfriend experience, even if it's momentarily. However, I do not extend that to OF, Instagram models, or twitch thots. To me, many of them are merely attention seekers and aim to squeeze as much money out of lonely men as possible. On that same note, I'd never consider a non-transactional relationship with any of those women nor would I sugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:02 PM
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Women don't have to worry about whether a child is theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 09:49 PM
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It's no different than the people who use pictures of very attractive women to con men into sending them money. Those men are thinking, "wow! A beautiful woman wants to be with me!" The same is happening here, except women are thinking, "wow! Prince charming wants to be with me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:36 PM
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Personally, I like being able to carry my partner. Makes things more fun in the bedroom and elsewhere. That being said, I've dated women who matched your description. Slightly heavier, but the extra weight accentuated their feminine curves. Those women were still hot to me. Where weight starts to matter to me is when a fat woman starts looking like a fat man. Like where her gut starts to protrude beyond her breasts and/or sags below the waist. That takes away from a woman's feminine features. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:52 PM
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What constitutes a "decent quality of life"? About 70% of Millennials are living paycheck-to-paycheck. I can't imagine Gen Zers doing that much better given our current job climate. A lot of people today are not working to live, they're living to work. No family, no home. At least in the US, our welfare programs do not have the capacity for the growing number of people who cannot work due to age and/or illness. It's going to get ugly before things turn. Our society is pushing single-hood where o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 12:32 AM
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These women act like the few matches a man gets are all ideal. Some men are lucky to get a handful of matches. However, they are also unlucky in that they end up matching with these entitled princesses who expect the world.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/02/22 08:29 PM
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That's fair. I've edited my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 07:33 PM
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Romantically frustrated, perhaps. A growing number of women nowadays want to remain single (or at most, be in a relationship with a betabuxx while sleeping around on the side). On top of that, a growing number of women are selling themselves nowadays. Given that, a man just has to make good money to avoid being sexually frustrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 07:22 PM
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IMO, you can have a long-term committed partner without marriage. Technically marriage, just not on paper, in other words. Two people vowing to stay with someone they love/cherish, through thick and thin. How two people decide to bind themselves together is up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 03:21 AM
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I can see how that improves your chances. It's rather strict, though. So you'd best vet thoroughly before getting into a relationship like that. On both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 03:18 AM
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Easier said than done, though. Most women don't realize they're with someone who will leave them for a younger woman until well into the relationship. Similarly, men don't realize they're with someone who will divorce him and collect child support + alimony. In either case, it's likely very devastating to the one who was dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 03:16 AM
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It depends on the caliber of man that the woman is looking for, how often she bumps into that type of man, and whether she's attractive to that man. I agree that a woman doesn't have to remain a plate. If she's attractive enough and is financially independent, she can find another guy at least on his level. What generally happens is that a woman meets a guy who has 80+% of what she's looking for. And usually those men are rare, especially as you get older. So unless you're a very attractive woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:43 PM
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A lot of above attractive guys go dumpster diving on these dating apps. This gives those less attractive women an inflated idea of their attractiveness.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/02/22 05:17 PM
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I suppose I'm trying to wrap my head around that myself. I can see it unraveling in two ways: On one hand it is foolish because there is no guarantee that he won't leave you. On the other hand, he's more likely to value and stay with someone who was there when he only had potential. If a woman meets him when he's at his highest potential, he might not even consider her as an option in the first place. In other words, there is value in loyalty. Seems like success for a woman in this scenario hing…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 02:56 PM
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Are you really in your 40s? You do not look it. Lifting is definitely the fountain of youth! I agree with everything you said, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 02:48 PM
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If you're lucky, you met someone and grew with them over a few years prior to a relationship. Or you've run into them consistently prior to dating so you get a good idea of who they are as a person. However, more and more people are meeting online and it's next to impossible to gauge someone's integrity that way. You can ask questions as you're dating, but a person lacking integrity will just lie to you. In an ideal world, you can ask their previous partners how they operated in their relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 01:51 PM
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Leaving your partner for a younger one isn't a tenant of RP ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 01:37 PM
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Any recommendations?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 11:48 AM
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I can see that. New relationships can be "refreshing". I imagine if two people were together for years, things can get really stale. So much so, that if one meets someone, they can get those butterflies in their stomach feeling again. It's tough, but relationships take work to keep from getting to that stale state.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 11:46 AM
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I've seen that sentiment mentioned a few times in the context of age-gap dating, as well as getting with a wealthier partner or "dating up". Perhaps fear is a strong word, but there is an aversion to being in a situation where you can be replaced.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 11:33 AM
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Yeah, this is pretty solid advice. It's less likely for a man to stray if his partner is still attractive and fun to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 11:25 AM
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I suspect that the women who find the shredded/muscular look unattractive are the ones who know there are obligations to being with such a guy and would rather avoid having to meet them. For example, being hot/fit herself. Most women who get with such men (and/or wealthier men) know that they need to meet some high threshold to keep him. Otherwise, she's likely to be easily replaced.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 02:01 AM
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Of course it's political. Why else would France ban non-court ordered paternity tests? The government becomes responsible for the woman and her bastard if she's convicted of paternity fraud. It's better to let the cuck keep supporting them instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:51 PM
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Assuming that the fear of missing out can be ignored, then absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:28 PM
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How about two jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:17 PM
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Isnt that a recipe for a dead bedroom, though? If you've had casual sex with hotter partners, can you be satisfied having consistent sex with a less attractive one? I suppose it depends on the individual, though society has really pressured people to only be happy if they are validated by others.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:10 PM
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Haha. Trying to sneak that by.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/02/22 04:04 AM
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If I feel like I deserve a lingerie model but I get into a relationship with a woman who is my looksmatch, am I settling? Or was I being unrealistic in the beginning? People seem to forget that you can be in a happy relationship even if your partner only meets ~70% of your ideal desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:00 AM
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The jokes write themselves sometimes.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/22 02:20 PM
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Well, discipline would be to still get up early and avoid the short-term gratification from sleeping in. If there was something that you'd gain, even if it was a one time deal, you might consider sleeping in for just that one time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:43 PM
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Of course. You likely wake up early because you can be productive in those extra hours. That takes discipline. Sleeping in means you lose some productivity. What if you were rewarded for sleeping in, though? Depending on the reward, you might consider being undisciplined for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:35 PM
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It's more so that a man's discipline will be more challenged the higher the temptation is. If I had a less attractive woman throwing herself at me, I might just push her away since it's not enticing. But if I had that same energy from an underwear model? It would take more strength to push her away.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:16 PM
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It's urge combined with temptation plus the likihood of getting caught. Let's say you're a broke average guy studying for a high-paying career (e.g. surgeon/finance advisor) in college and pair up with an average gal. Over the years, her beauty will fade (naturally) and she might even gain a bit of weight. Now if this man made something of himself, he might be making mid to high six figures. His new lifestyle is going to attract a lot of women. Women that might have never given him a chance when…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 07:28 PM
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The problem is every analogy becomes an argument about the analogy instead of the subject. Say you treat women like the oldest teen in the house, the argument becomes '"you think women are teenagers?" Say that a man would rather pay full price for a new car vs full price for a used and abused one (analogous to committing to a woman), the argument becomes, "you think women are cars?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 04:47 PM
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If they truly "knew their worth", they would be successfully dating men at their level.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/02/22 01:06 PM
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It may surprise you to hear that many RP men are in healthy relationships. "Not one sided for them" Relationships should be mutually beneficial and respectful. Why ignore red flags and bend over backwards for someone who isn't deserving of that? "Not much of a difference" That might explain why you're confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 04:09 AM
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Lol. What's with the obsession with old man sperm?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:29 AM
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TRP men also want relationships. We just don't want it to be one-sided. Also, you might be mixing TRP with PUAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:19 AM
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That just says that married men don't like not being married.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:07 AM
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Interesting take. It makes sense then when women want to avoid RP types. Because knowing more about how the dating mechanics work gives men more of an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 08:52 PM
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I'd say that impregnating a woman and leaving her to raise the child alone is dishonorable. That , to me, is beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:48 PM
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Although our biological imperative is to spread our seed, we still want our offspring to thrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:47 PM
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I'll take your word on that. It sounds like too much of a gamble IMO. But I guess if you'd rather have total control over your future, that is the way to do it, assuming you truly are financially independent. And I'm not sure if being a single parent is as fulfilling as raising a family together with a loving and supportive partner. But that's just me. Nice chatting with ya. Gnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:41 AM
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I'm not referring to the 40-year-old men who are aiming for attractive, 20-year-old women. I know that's not realistic. However, even a 40-year-old man has the option of marrying a 30 or 35-year-old woman. This is especially the case if he has good money. Fewer men are marrying nowadays, so the likelihood of that happening drops as you get older. Even non-RP types are saying that it's better not to get married or get into a committed relationship. Woman should never rely on men. Even if for some…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:52 AM
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You literally confirmed what I have said. You recognize that it’s impossible to get proper education and career and in the same time prioritize marriage and kids in early mid 20s. I recognize that it is very difficult if not almost impossible to spend your 20s-30s getting an education/career and also have children at the same time. What I am saying is that you, as a woman, have to choose a path in life to get where you want. And that path has risks and tradeoffs that only you can assess. You hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:24 AM
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You have misread some RP stuff, it seems. Might be good to use your education and research a bit before talking about something. RP men never say women shouldn't advance their career. Only that it doesn't affect whether she's more attractive to men. This is especially the case if she develops abrasive personality due to the job. Additionally, and unfortunately, women have to make long-term family decisions early in life. It becomes a gamble. Option 1: have children early in life (when you're bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 11:26 PM
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How did you or they know they are "red pill manipulations"? What does that even mean? Most RPers who pursue LTRs do so with the intention of staying in them. For example, they'll decide to be fathers and help raise healthy children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 10:51 PM
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The average age at which a woman marries is 27-29 or so. You likely need to know the person for a few years ahead of time before marriage happens. Plus, most men who marry do so to start a family. Hence the best bet to find and get married is to find a good enough partner in your college years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 10:38 PM
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Women are going to hate the animal analogy. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:10 PM
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100% agree. However, I don't think I've ever heard that some women aren't worth dating outside of some RP spaces. Even the OP was genuinely surprised at the comments. Seems like she wants something long term/ serious and is concerned that men don't want to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:22 PM
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I agree. I'm just surprised to read a majority of men say LTRs are not worth the effort. that kind of sentiment wasn't a popular one 10+ years ago. Even the OP seemed shocked at the responses. It seems like she wants a long relationship and is wondering why more men aren't looking to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:15 PM
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I'm not sure these men are saying it in a "this will teach them" mindset. It seems they're just talking about the practicality of a LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:11 PM
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That's a lot. Essentially, you're expending your sexual energy on things that aren't your gf. Plus, depending on what you watch, you might be destimulated from regular, "Real" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:02 PM
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Ladies, what do you all think of the responses here? https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/srgoh0/men_who_arent_looking_for_a_serious_relationship It's a non Rp subreddit. A lot of men seem to have the opinion that women aren't worth the effort of a relationship. Some even think that it's better to get into short term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:27 PM
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I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I've met many great women on OLD, some of whom were just too shy to meet people in person. That being said, OLD does tend to have people that don't have much going for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 09:22 PM
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What the hell is any woman above the age of 27 doing on a sugar daddy site? Lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/22 01:35 PM
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Exactly. A man who has built himself up to have enough money to travel, have expensive hobbies, and potentially retire early? Any woman who wants to be a long-term prospect with a man like that has a very high bar to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:41 PM
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Both genders should view intimacy and relationships as privilege, and literally one of the highest ones in life if you ask me. And if you don’t view it like that then don’t even bother. Leave the fat and old women alone if you don’t value them, they don’t owe you anything because they exist outside of your ideals. I agree that it should be that way. For a lot of folks, though, they don't understand that until it's almost too late. Hence why a lot of men are out here thinking "I'm a nice guy with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:26 PM
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If I could go back in time, I'd ignore women altogether during my twenties and focus on building my career and physique, THEN going into the dating world. As a man, you definitely need some leverage to build that abundance mindset and have better overall success. I did okay growing up (luckily), but I'd much rather reach the position I'm in today earlier in life. In my 30s and I now have women all trying to push for marriage, even in the first couple of dates. Having the abundance mindset helps …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:50 PM
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It's just refreshing to hear a woman sympathize. Often times as a man, you mention that you're finding really crummy options and people just ask you, "Where are you meeting these women?" without considering that that's the current state of the dating market. Some of us were busy getting a degree and establishing a career in a male-dominated field. We had no idea what awaited us once we got established enough to date. lol And yeah people should try to figure out where they can best have success i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:00 PM
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The problem is no one educates these young men. It'll only get worse with the increasing number of men raised by single mothers. Those men all seek female validation at their own expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 09:47 PM
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cmon :/ no offense cuz i love women but we in bad shape. I respect your honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 09:45 PM
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Their degrees are what differentiates them from the dumber but hotter women, though. Take that away and many of these college-educated women would be left in the cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 09:43 PM
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Nowadays, women want to be involved with men who have clout/social-status. They'll look at your Snapchat score / Instagram following to get a feel for who you are as a man. They'll then use that to determine whether they want to associate with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 05:05 AM
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by mad do you mean crazy? The downside of being a Chad is that Chads definitely get caught up with some psychos out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 04:34 AM
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When women send us boob pics, usually that implies that the woman wants us, which turns us on. Most men don't realize that it doesn't work the same the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 04:20 AM
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I was referring specifically to what people desire, not who they end up with. There is such a thing as race loyalty, especially at the top of the socio economic ladder. I'll give you that. However, if you took someone who makes above average money and no one his/her race is available at their level, odds are they'll choose a white partner over moving down the SES ladder.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:03 PM
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IMO, women of certain cultures are less likely to adapt the "strong, independent" mindset. I think that might skew what men are drawn to on dating apps. To your other point, there could be a lot of factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 08:19 PM
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That's not at all what I said. It seems like you're trying to attack my character by making things up. That's rather disingenuous. I'm not going to respond anymore. Peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 01:03 PM
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Unfortunately, there is still a but of a heirarchy when it comes to race. White men tend to have more wealth/power, so women are drawn to that. White women tend to be seen as more desirable across all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:03 AM
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A lot of Gen Z men are already thinking "these hoes aren't worth it." lol They go on TikTok and see the kind of hoish behavior a lot of their female peers exhibit. The women on there are talking about getting into sugar relationships and "having fun with Chads and Tyrones" as well. It's not just the men spreading RP knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:17 AM
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That's interesting. Based on your screen name, I'm assuming you're 26? Does their age not phase you? Dang nvm, I thought Seth Rogan was much older than 39.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:59 AM
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That would never happen Fifty years ago, people would say that plummeting marriage rates would never happen. Twenty to thirty years ago, women would say that men not wanting to marry them woul dnever happen. Societal trends cause people to adapt their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:44 AM
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Not sure why it's a red flag to have respectable emotional boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:33 AM
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Everyone here seems to be caught up with the AWALT. People, it's a mindset! When men go out into the dating world, they have to not fall trap into thinking that a certain woman they're dating is "special and not like the other ones". Because that kind of thinking will result in being taken advantage of. That's when they remind themselves that AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 11:15 PM
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When I was a kid, I was all about that. I thought that marriage was the ideal end goal. Now that I'm older and wiser, I'm seeing how shitty of a deal it is. I can see the value of it if two young people put their fates together and work as a team to build something together. Especially if they're planning on having children. But if you're a man who built himself up on his own? There's no real incentive to marry an average, modern woman. You'll have way more life satisfaction living on your own t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 08:46 PM
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Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were arguing that for relationships, looks won't be more important than they were in the past. Anyway, nice chatting with ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 08:33 PM
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You're wrong, but you're entitled to your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 08:27 PM
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People want more out of a partner today than before.That trend will continue in the next couple of decades. Most people don't just want someone average; they want someone who makes them feel like committing to a relationship is worth it compared to staying single. Today women are ignoring men who make decent money and have good personalities because they are holding out for someone who has that AND is tall/handsome. You'll start seeing the same trend with men. Perhaps we're already seeing that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 08:15 PM
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Why would any man want to be husband material in this day and age?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 07:58 PM
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It's going to be strong, healthy personality AND some minimum level of attractiveness to get into the door in the future. Currently, women have the mindset that they don't need men, so they'll set higher standards if they intend to hook up or get into a LTR with someone. This includes looks. Should men decide that they don't need women, they'll develop that same mindset, meaning looks will be even more important all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 07:31 PM
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The difference is past generations stuck it out in their marriages. The men you mentioned believed their wives loved them. That's why those men were happy as the betabuxx. With the divorce statistics the way they are, I think more men are realizing that women are not marrying for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 07:16 PM
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Perhaps I should have specified single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 02:19 PM
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Quite the dark analogy. Still, once your children are adults, they make their own choices in life, even if you don't approve of their choices. You can influence them, for sure, but you cannot control them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 12:19 AM
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My point is, both our cases, we're weeding out the people we don't want to, though. In my case, a man pretending to be RP is going to drive away women who are avoiding RP men. In your case, pretending to be a bimbo is going to drive away men who are avoiding bimbos.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:50 PM
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Well, you have to consider that by then, most average women have had their share of intimacy/sex. The same cannot be said of the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:32 PM
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Men should pretend to be a red pilled man so that he can weed out women who play dumb. 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 05:52 PM
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And women wonder why men match with them and unmatch them later. These snapchat filters are something else.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/02/22 02:22 AM
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LMAO!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/02/22 02:15 AM
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My intention wasn't to try to persuade you to give those kinds of men a chance. Only to share how a certain situation (i.e., casual sex) might differ between genders and socio-economic statuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 08:59 PM
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Good bot? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 04:06 PM
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So people will stop pairing up and everyone will use sex workers? Highly doubtful Some men might stop pairing up. I think the MGTOW movement already shows that. Some men might also steer away from committed relationships altogether and just engage in hookup culture. This might create a void for the women who want to find a partner, particularly later in life when the dating pool shrinks drastically. That's why I asked my OP. ​ the ones that don't succeed will be depressed and isolated from socie…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 04:05 PM
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Even the best pickup artists have like a 10% success rate. Women are much more selective with who they want to sleep with. As they should be. It doesn't matter how attractive you are as a man. At some point, the effort to get casual sex becomes more trouble than it's worth. If you're a very high-earning man, spending tens to hundreds of hours trying to woo a woman for sex becomes wasted time. And for those high-earning men, time is money. Additionally, say a man does find a woman for casual sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:56 PM
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I can see that. There are some women who are making more in a month than some professionals do in a year, simply because she was born beautiful and is willing to model herself to thirsty men online.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:43 PM
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That's the way it is today. I'm referring to what might happen in the future should some trends increase. I think with the rise in male sexlessness compared to women, more men are going to "make up for lost time" by hiring escorts/sugar babies when they are successful. Kind of like how women hook up with the hottest guys they can when they are young and hot. This might leave less commitment minded men on the dating marketplace later in life (e.g., 35+).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:38 PM
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I don't have any children, but I would hope a daughter would strive to mimic the healthy relationship her mother and I would have and avoid the negativity that comes with superficial social media. That being said, you have to let people make their own choices in life. Her body, her choice, her responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:34 PM
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Hypothetically, what if a growing number of women decide to get neck tattoos to where enough women in your socio-economic circles got them? Do you give in and start dating a woman with a neck tattoo? That's kind of where I'm getting at. At some point, a trend becomes significantly relevant in your dating prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:26 PM
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Exclusivity is typically baked into the average long-term committed relationship. People would otherwise avoid entering into one. Although your friend has entered into an arrangement where she's able to sell her body, most people, especially people with leverage (i.e., looks and/or money/status), are going to choose arrangements that benefit them. Which goes back to my point that a growing number of wealthier men are going to go the sugar baby route, leaving a void in the dating marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:12 AM
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Women are wildly outperforming and outnumbering men in college rn, so we will see women in general overtake men in resources/status probably within a generation I'd like to think this is true. We'll have to wait on more data, though. At the moment, women hold a significant amount of the national student loan debt and enter fields with a lower salary compared to fields that men typically study. Meaning, the average woman will be in debt longer compared to men. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/why-…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:06 AM
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They all think these negative dating pitfalls won't affect them. Then 10+ years later, they find themselves in a pickle due to these kinds of issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 06:52 AM
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In my friend circle no women are selling themselves on internet or are dating older men just for the money I believe you; however, just because your female friends aren't doing this, doesn't mean that no women are. My argument is more about the shrinking number of "economically attractive men" that will be available over the years. If you and your friend group are already paired up, then you're good (assuming the men aren't hiding some dealbreaker like a Sugar Daddy past). Maybe it is that I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 06:50 AM
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LOL. N-count isn't some team-based metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 06:36 AM
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This is a generalization: Liberal policies tend to be beneficial for those who are struggling (e.g., government assistance, universal basic income, cancel student loan debt). Essentially, tax the wealthier people to make it easier for less wealthy people. It's not surprising that a larger proportion of single women would lean that way, politically. At the same time, men are less likely to seek out government assistance. I would guess it's because men feel like less of a man when they have to rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 06:40 PM
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Every n count means plus one to both genders so it’s not really unique to men but the disgust has an asymmetry. Not exactly true. If someone had sex with three people. That one's person's n count went up by 3 and the others' went up by 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 05:48 PM
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Never said that. In fact, I alluded that younger men are going to see that if they wanted an attractive woman, they'd just pay for one when they can afford to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 05:22 AM
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That's great! You're my kind of company. You belong in the minority, though. Less than 6% of all women make more than six figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 04:38 AM
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Dudes who got more than just money to offer usually in the long term want their partners to bring more than just sex I agree. That might make it tougher for the average woman though. Because commitment-minded men are going to want looks AND more from the women he eventually commits to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 02:55 AM
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I'm not on the market so idc and 2, I've seen what's on the market and it's not looking bad That's fair. A lot of women might find themselves thinking otherwise, though. Particularly women on the older side in about 10-15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 02:52 AM
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Yeah, boi! That's what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:27 AM
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Possibly. From my experience, most women 35+ want someone who makes some minimum salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:26 AM
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Because this might affect your chances at finding a long-term partner when you decide you want one (e.g., 35+)?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:25 AM
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I'm not obsessing over sex-work Stacy. However, younger men are likely seeing sex-work Stacy selling herself and changing their motivations appropriately.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:24 AM
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That's true in college years (e.g., 20-27). Above that, though, the average man makes more than the average woman. Your argument lends itself that women should be supporting their man. Most women do not want to do that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:20 AM
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I'd argue that men can build themselves into someone that women would want for long-term commitment. The same cannot be said for women who want to build themselves into someone that men want for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:18 AM
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Today's dating market has women aiming for the top X% of men. If a man who was average (and sexless) found himself desired by women, he'll likely hit the equivalent of the cock carousel, banging as many young/attractive women as he can. ​ Older women are more likely to opt out of dating, due to both economics and sexuality. There's no practical use for a 38 year old mother of 4 kids with 2 divorces to still play the game. I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:16 AM
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Women can also get better jobs and make more money. How many women today make more than six figures, though? Or more than men at their age? At least in the US there is a glass ceiling that limits how much a woman makes. That said, wealthy men are still not overwhelming dating young Instagram models/OF girls/escorts. That's true today, but what about 10-20 years from now? I think Gen Z men are more likely to say "women my age aren't worth commitment."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:14 AM
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It is a nice way to get women to approach you, assuming you're reasonably attractive. Most women go there because they want to avoid douche bags hitting on them. If you're moderately attractive, though, you'll have more women hitting on you. You'll likely have men hitting on you, too, though, so be aware of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:08 AM
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That doesn't mean that the average male OF subscriber is going for those niche women, though. There's a reason why certain pornographic subjects are more popular than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:05 AM
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What happens when the men that are left aren't as attractive as you'd like them to be, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:04 AM
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I'm not saying hot women shouldn't do what they've always done. That's not my argument. My OP argument, though, is about older, average, women having to contend with the fact that the men she wants either have one or more sugar babies, or are not as attractive as she'd like them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:03 AM
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Yeah but am I supposed to care that a woman I don't know has an OnlyFans account or has an Instagram account or is a sugar baby or escort? Is she one of my relatives? A friend? Dating a friend or relative? If you're still dating at the moment, you might realize that your options out there are less than ideal (a common complaint with modern women). That's what a lot of older women are finding out. A lot of the men they want are either not dating or dating younger/more attractive women. The men le…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:00 AM
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For a lot of the younger women (i.e,. Millenials and younger), I think a lot of the women aren't going to realize this until it's too late (e.g., 40+ years old). At that point, they'll have to figure out whether their $50k/year job will support them for the rest of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:54 PM
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I agree with that. Most higher-status men looking for long-term commitment will seek higher-status women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:50 PM
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Gotcha. ​ Men should be doing that anyways. Our happiness is paramount so we should strive to make ourselves happy first. Like Patrice O'Neal said, our girl's happiness trickles down from our happiness, so we need to watch our backs first. Women can have their fun in their 20's, a man who wants to be something someday will put his focus into himself. Wholeheartedly agree. I do think, though, that many men today are building themselves up and saying, "none of the women available are worth my comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:44 PM
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Of course I am married and make my own money so why would I worry about the dating market at all? Well this likely doesn't affect you, chief. If you're a Gen Z man, though, you're likely considering whether you want to put yourself in "economically attractive" territory if you're only going to end up with a former Sugar Baby/OnlyFan/Escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:40 PM
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It's a fair assumption. If you're a high-earning man and a moderately attractive woman comes on to you, are you going to assume that she's a good woman or is it more likely that she knows how to spot a wealthy man and is trying to manipulate you? Most men who are in the high six figures didn't get there by being dumb. They'll know to avoid that woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:35 PM
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Well, that's good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:31 PM
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The way I foresee it coming is the upper bracket men are going to be more happy and have more than ever in the coming years, the women who get tired of sleeping around with that man + the other flavors of ice cream they want to try that month, will stop and decide to find a normal guy and sacrifice their financial standards or look standards to make sure it’s a normal simp guy who won’t cheat on them. Those guys will be miserable because the girls will always be in moods with the average man bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:30 PM
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Majority of relationships are apart 1-3 years, so it's not a huge gap. Most young women date young men around that age range. That's probably true today, but will that remain true in the future? Given that men are more attracted to younger/fitter women, a man who makes something of himself will aim for those women. That leaves older/less attractive women out in the cold. I agree that women who are self-sufficient can afford to opt out of dating and live for themselves. I'd argue that most women …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:27 PM
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I would say that in past generations, men had the mindset that "if I want to marry this (attractive) woman, I need to be someone she'd want to marry". That would motivate men to make something of themselves (i.e., obtain resources) to reach that level. Assuming men couldn't marry an objectively attractive woman, he'd then bring an excess of resources to the woman who'd consider him as "husband material". This was a win-win for the woman at his looks-match. But now men see women's dual mating str…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:23 PM
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Possibly. It's probably a gamble. Either play your cards right and secure commitment from a wealthy man or have a group of single friends available to you 24/7 in case you can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:14 PM
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I agree. Better safe than sorry, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:12 PM
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That's what I'm asking. Assuming you want to date "economically attractive" men when you're 35+.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:11 PM
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There is probably some external factor which may force some of these women to sell their bodies, unfortunately. ​ I'm not planning on looking for "economically attractive" (what the fuck) men when older so I don't really care about that That's great! I didn't come up with that term, btw. Women did. And from the article, a lot of those women had that mindset at 40+.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:10 PM
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It's two different pools of men, and all this doesn't really affect the pool of men that I want. My argument is that there is an every-increasing overlap in the pool of men you want and the pool of men who have gone the sugar baby route. Depending on your current age, as you get older you might find yourself with an empty pool of men you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:06 PM
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Ask any man making six figures or more if they want to marry a former slut. For the 'attractive women being sluts' part, make a TikTok account (in the 18-25 year old range) and see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:04 PM
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I agree that men at the top are going to have a growing number of women pining for them. We might even see polygamy promoted based on that. A lot of women do not want to share a wealthy man, though. And if an average woman wants exclusivity, she'll have to do so with a man barely on her socio-economic level.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:01 PM
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That was my side question as well: are women okay dating someone who makes less than they do? Nothing wrong with that, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:58 PM
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Fair enough. That made me LOL, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:56 PM
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I responded to your automod post, but hot women can (and some do) monetize their beauty. Either by marrying rich or soon-to-be rich men (e.g., doctors, lawyers, business owners, wealthy family) or by making instagram/twitch/onlyfans accounts where they'll use their hotness to persuade simps to pay them for being hot. I've hooked up with attractive women as well. Some of their pillow talk opened my eyes about how they operate in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:55 PM
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Right. That's a more concise way of what I wanted to say. I'm not a woman so I don't know how y'all see this issue. From a man's side, though, assuming a man wanted to have a family, he's going to have to build himself up to become the kind of man that women want to marry. But if he grows up seeing women operating in a transactional manner, said man might operate differently. He might build himself up to only support himself. Or if he did build himself up to be marriage material, he might have v…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:47 PM
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Sex workers and sluts weren't as publicly open in the past as they are now. I think more and more men's eyes are being open to how women operate sexually. This leads higher-status men to either opt out of dating altogether or go the sugar baby route themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:39 PM
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Because most women want to find commitment with a man who makes more than she does. A growing number of men (even wealthy men) are either opting out of dating altogether or finding sugar babies. The men left in the open dating market (particularly in older demographics) are less attractive to the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:37 PM
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The men consuming this type of content wouldn't even register as potential romantic partners to begin with My ultimate point is: what if that leaves you with little to no potential romantic partners for you? What if a large percentage of wealthier men go the sugar baby route? Hypothetically, would you be content if the only men left on the dating market are men who only make as much as you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:34 PM
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Not true in the slightest. The number of people who use those websites is tiny compared to the total number of women who are hot and not on OLD There were some surveys done in major college towns. About 10 to 20% of women admitted to having an account or having had one recently. Again, if you open an account there as a man, you'll see that it's a higher proportion of attractive women on there compared to OLD. Hot women don't NEED OLD. They get plenty of play-in from daily life. True, but if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:30 PM
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I can see that. I got banned on dating_over_30 once for asking what's a reasonable way to ask a woman if she's been an escort/sugar baby in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:27 PM
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The women who are, though, tend to be more physically attractive in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:25 PM
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How do you know nobody wants you? If you're basing it off online dating apps, then get off them. Most women have way too many matches on there and will end up choosing the top men who match her. I'd say you should start looking at places where people who make a lot of money hang out. Expand your social circle to include people who also make a lot of money. There's a concept called social proof which might benefit you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:06 PM
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I'd argue a cuckhold situation is more trouble than it's worth. If you're a man making more than the median income in the US, you can fully support yourself, your hobbies, and travel at your leisure. You let go of romantic relationships in exchange for freedom from societal expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:47 PM
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Didn't you just say that those things would get ignored??? You might be confusing me with someone else. I never said that. My original proposal was that every LTR should have a prenup agreed to by both parties ahead of time. Not sure if it was at the beginning of my original comment here or elsewhere, but I do not think that women should financially be able to take advantage of the man. Though it's fair for her to be provided for while she transitions out of the relationship. As someone who work…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:41 PM
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Those men are putting up with cuckoldry because they aren't good looking. Meaning, they wouldn't otherwise have a partner. They end up being some kind of man-wife who helps with the chores. No self-respecting man wants to be put in that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:32 PM
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Not biologically possible. This applies to any woman, really. They all have to sacrifice at least a little to have children. People change or lie and deceive and smart women don't take that risk even if it's small. That's a smart male attitude, not a smart woman attitude. Smart women can plan ahead and provide input into a prenuptial agreement prior to marriage and/or having children. Something like, "should we decide that me staying home to raise children makes the most financial sense, my theo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:23 PM
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Smart women do plan ahead and choose appropriate partners with whom to have children. No sacrifice of career needed (or at least, planned ahead with their caring/supportive partner). It's the women who don't vet properly and have children with losers/deadbeats who end up losing under my hypothetical rules. If my rules prevent that, then win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:08 PM
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The majority of women who have multiple partners are doing so with the top X% of men. They aren't getting into casual relationships with average men. The majority of men (even average men) don't want to be the safe Beta while his partner gets banged out by multiple Alphas. To your original post, there will have to be a third option of artificial love (e.g., sex bots). Something has to fill the void for the lack of intimacy for the average and below average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:04 PM
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babies need resources I did mention that the children should either stay with the primary earner or have the bare needs taken care of with child support. I agree that the babies need resources and should be taken care of. The person that wanted to leave the relationship should get a capped alimony, if any.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:51 PM
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... only the women stupid enough to become baby mama's, will be having kids with men Unless they decide, "this is the kind of man worth committing to/raising a family with". Then they plan ahead, vet the man properly, and THEN marry and/or have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:46 PM
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I agree that it's sometimes better for a woman to stay at home. Homeschooling can be cheaper and the quality of childcare/schooling can be better than what public school offers. I did mention that a prenuptial agreement should be decided upfront. Child raising can be outlined ahead of time and/or the prenup amended when children enter the picture. You have to consider that laws are written such that they encourage good behavior and discourage bad. When people get married and/or have children, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:43 PM
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My hypothetical laws destroy predatory women's chances of using the system to extract from men. Should women want to enter into a potentially life-long relationship and have children with someone, they'll be forced to put a lot more consideration into it. IMO this is desperately needed in today's society. If women will avoid entering into life-long relationships because they can't take financial advantage of the man later, they can remain childless and/or become a baby mama. No sweat off my back…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:27 PM
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If you are a man who wants children, good luck getting any woman at all to sign on to those terms and conditions. If women don't agree with that, then they can choose to not have children. My list is in response to OP's question of "how to correct today's wrongs in society?". ​ I don't get why men on this sub are obsessed with population implosion on the one hand and also want to make it as financially disadvantageous as possible for women to have children on the other. Why should it be "financi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:33 PM
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Hypothetically, there would be some kind of app like Venmo that keeps track of the child support expenses and shares it with both parents. The person paying child support has to approve each purchase (or perhaps has the opportunity to dispute certain charges).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:56 PM
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That's a good list. I would propose the following: No common law marriages. Any marriage (or marriage-like) relationship must agree to a prenuptial agreement. Alimony is limited to 10% of the higher-earner's income or $50k/year, whichever is lower. Similarly, child-support is limited to $25k/year and it can only be used to support the child(ren). By default, primary custody of children goes to the higher earner. Allegations against a sexual/romantic partner must be private and are only made publ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:36 PM
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I can't imagine that those who spend a long amount of time on that subreddit develop that kind of personality. Shit, after reading some posts, I almost started calling myself a queen, and I'm a dude. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:55 PM
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That would set off some flags. What does she do for a living? How does she spend most of her time? She might have a nice personality but she might also be boring AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:13 PM
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True. I think the fact that women like to sleep around, especially when they're at their most attractive self, is becoming more common knowledge, irrespective of the red pill. There are plenty of examples on social media of women going head over heels for the Chad types. Even on TikTok, some young women say they want to enjoy the hookup culture and then settle down. I wouldn't say that the men are insecure, they're just not likely to gamble their future away on a woman given what they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 11:13 AM
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Besides another reason to drink? Not much compared to a non-FDS woman. Most FDS women find themselves on FDS because they've been burned badly in the dating market. Which likely means that they'll be carrying a lot of baggage should you take her on as a romantic partner. Most men wouldn't want to deal with that if they can avoid it. HVM ESPECIALLY won't go near her. To be fair, the same can be said for RP men. I'd argue, however, that RP men realize their shortcomings and try to overcome them so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 04:19 AM
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attractive, pleasant woman I can agree that attractive, pleasant women should vet better if she's getting mistreated by the men she chooses. In that case, that FDS principle is good. However, attractive, pleasant women do not act entitled. Nor do they proclaim themselves to be Queens. Doing so will likely put her in the unattractive category.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 04:07 AM
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We don't hate high-count women. In fact, we'd like for them to be more open about being high count. I had a few FWBs and I didn't care what their body counts were, so long as they were clean and being safe. The problem is when high-count women lie in order to paint the picture that she's worthy of commitment. We hate the deception, essentially. Most women know that men in general don't want to wife up a hoe, though, which is why they lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:53 AM
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By people, I'm assuming you mean women? Because most RP men were BP at some point. At its core, RP seeks to understand female nature and use that to get better leverage in the dating market. In essence, it diminishes a lot of the power that women currently hold in the dating market. Most women do not want their control of the dating market being taken away. To answer your question, I don't think there would ever be a good bridge between RP and women. Some women are okay with letting a man lead, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:45 AM
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It's more than just numbers, though. How many of those 6'+ men are heterosexual and single? More importantly, would he choose you over shorter women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:22 AM
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I feel for you taller ladies. Cause if you truly want a taller partner, it leaves you with a severely limited selection (unless you live in a Nordic country). On top of that, women shorter than you are vying for those same men, making it uber competitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:07 AM
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What's super tall for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:52 AM
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Fat women on OLD get fucked, literally and metaphorically. Lol. Any guy above a fat woman's lookmatch is likely just doing so to get some easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:09 AM
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Not sure. Semi-related question, how does an anus become famous?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:46 AM
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That's a question for women to decide. Personally, I think an average man can do some damage with the right moves. I'm only slightly above average downstairs and women have told me that mine is noticeably big. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 12:58 AM
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Having an easy time getting laid is a gateway to finding someone to love you and understand you, though. If a man couldn't get laid at all, it's unlikely he's going to find someone to love him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 12:53 AM
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The solution to OLD is actually fairly simple. Women face the problem of having too many choices... Men suffer from too few. Simply make it so that women can only see and respond to one match at a time. If they don't like the guy they are talking to they un-match and get the next one. The reason why this works is that the women aren't overwhelmed with choice and can focus one at a time. Each guy that matched with that women has a higher chance of getting an actual response. There are two OLD app…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 12:44 AM
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I'm far from an asshole and get plenty of dates. Some people conflate being an asshole with being confident, though. Easy mistake to make. Having a big member is a leg up on the competition, pun almost intended. It's almost like being tall, except women have to sleep with you first to notice. You can be a goofball of a man, but if you have something that is stereotypically associated with being masculine (e.g., tall, big muscles, big johnson, successful, confident), you'll have an easier time da…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 12:05 AM
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He is hung, though. There it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 11:41 PM
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I agree that men should have standards. However, shaming simps won't do anything to balance out the dating market place. If you call out simps, you'll only have other men defend their simpish behavior. Further, you'll get shamed by women for trying to stop simp behavior (because it is advantageous for them).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:46 PM
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Maybe she loves getting piped? Lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/01/22 06:20 PM
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It takes discipline to commit to the third match even though you were flooded with options. A lot of people in your position would give up a good match because they think a better option exists. Though if you lift, you probably already have a bit of discipline.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:23 AM
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Let's not pretend that women don't high-five each other when one of them lands commitment from a doctor/lawyer/business owner/someone born into wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:51 AM
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I'm not excusing cheating, but HVM do have options. The women usually accept that their HVM sleep with other women as it comes with the territory (other women want this man and he worked hard to put himself at the top of the food chain). It's usually only when the family is embarrassed where the woman openly chastises the man (e.g., Tiger Woods).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:15 AM
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To be fair, men (especially high-value men) love their long-term partners by giving her security, structure, and comfort. When high value men cheat, they do it discretely, and usually the wife knows about it. Most women who are with those men are okay with it because they know they cannot keep up with their man's sexual appetite (as long as he doesn't bring any STDs, surprise children, or embarrasses his family).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 06:34 AM
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The OP's statement is analogous to asking people who were born rich to think of the negative societal consequences of being born rich. Most of them aren't going to accept that their decisions/upbringing are causing a detriment to society. They'll mostly think "I'm getting mine" and ignore those that are negatively impacted. Feminism spent more than fifty years putting women in a position to be independent from men. To accept that independent women negatively impact society means that some of fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 06:13 AM
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It's been quite a while since I participated in the dating, dating_advice, and dating_over_thirty subs. It got annoying getting temporary bans for "not being excellent to each other", whatever that means. As such, I can't give you any recent examples. I doubt it's any different now, though. Off the top of my head, there was a post a few years ago where a man asked for a polite way to ask a woman if she had ever done pornography/sugar baby/escorting. You can guess how that went. Of course, the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:17 AM
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Logical folks know that people don't develop the same mental health issues equally, even with similar external influences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 12:09 AM
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True. Simps do throw out those compliments a lot online. That plays a big role, too. I still contend that hearing the compliment itself gives one a feeling of assurance. People are more likely to latch onto a positive adjective especially if no one else tells you otherwise. Anytime a man says that a woman is anything less than beautiful, a swarm of women will come in, say she's actually beautiful, and then shame the men. It's similar to career success. If people were told that a 30k job made you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 07:45 PM
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"Do you honestly think that a <5 thinks she's a 8+?" It could partly explain how a growing number of obese/unattractive women think that they deserve a fit and/or rich man. Before social media took off, most unattractive women self-guided towards men who were in her league/looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 07:10 PM
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Op, I don't think you'll get any honest answers from the women. By and large, women are more empathetic than men. They feel good about themselves when they make someone else feel good, regardless of the truthfulness of their statements. Plus, there's a circular reinforcement where if they call a less attractive person beautiful, then they are beautiful as well. Because women are not dating those they compliment, they don't care what kind of effects it has on the dating marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 06:09 PM
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When you remove any meaningful advice, all that is left is the same BS talking points that got you there in the first place (e.g., "you're beautiful just the way you are", "the right one will find you eventually").
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:28 PM
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That doesn't really say much. OLD has always been a low-effort/low-reward way to date. A few attractive men on there enjoy the majority of the women that use it; sometimes, they'll commit an attractive woman (hopefully, you're one of those). If you can manage to lock a decent guy down, then great. But a lot of women find themselves bouncing from match to match when using OLD. Applying FDS principles might deter some F boys, but it also deters some good guys as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 04:40 AM
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Did women really admit to letting their friends gain weight to make them relatively more attractive? I'm curious to see that post, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 04:30 AM
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They need to work on offering less until a guy is serious, not figuring out how to peacock for men. That seems counter-productive to establishing a true relationship. It's like if men were telling themselves not to spend a dime on a woman until she goes down on them. Obviously that strategy would fail most times and would only work on women with the lowest of self-esteems. And you can guarantee that the men sharing that strategy aren't decent in the first place. The misdeeds of past lovers shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:40 AM
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With all due respect, you know that you're the product of your environment, right? If you spend a large amount of time with toxic people, you'll adopt a lot of their thought patterns, regardless of whether you take their advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:10 AM
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Maybe FDS should change their name to "Female Growth Strategy" or something to avoid the confusion, then? Because dating strategy implies a way to improve one's dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:58 AM
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For me, it's not about changing who I am, but accentuating the things that women like, in general. Like getting my weight/physique to an attractive level, being as charismatic as I can, and being an interesting person all around. I still have my geeky/nerdy interests which I'll never let go. However, I fare way better with women now that I've built myself up in ways I didn't consider before.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 01:31 AM
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You may not view yourself in competition with other women but other women are definitely trying to lock down the quality men they date, which means fewer quality men for the average women. Given how women complain about the lack of quality men out there, it stands to reason that in order to be successful, you'll have to entice your man more than other women will.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 12:49 AM
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At some point, I’m going to attract a man who thinks I’m the best woman he’s ever met and then we will end up together. This seems rather idealistic. It's similar to someone saying, "At some point, I'm going to become rich after winning the lottery". Personally, I try to maximize my success by figuring out what women tend to want in a man and mold myself into that as much as I can. So far it has improved my options. Hopefully you find what you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 12:46 AM
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We need help finding men who appeal to us. That makes sense. However, men that you find appealing are likely also appealing to other women. Given how competitive the dating market is, how do you draw that man away from other women who may also want him? Or do you assume that because you're appealing to other men that you're appealing to all men by default? That latter assumption might burn you in the dating realm.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 12:20 AM
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The glass ceiling is there and lowers as a woman ages. I agree with that. However, I'll contend that a woman can still make herself attractive to decent men even when she's older. I've known women up to 10 years older than me who were stunners and were a pleasure to spend time with. They obviously put in work, though. Many of the women made lifestyle changes, including diet/exercise and therapy, to have better success in the dating market. That kind of change is at least a three-year investment.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 11:49 PM
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Serious question: shouldn't "dating strategies" give you helpful strategies to be appealing to the men you want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 11:00 PM
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Often times, their complaints are that the men they attract are not worth vetting. Why shouldn't their strategy focus on becoming attractive to the men they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:57 PM
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Nothing is ever given to you; you have to earn it. Today, women have just as much opportunity (maybe more) as the average man to obtain power and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:53 PM
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That's a pretty succinct way of putting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:33 PM
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Some weight gain is normal in a relationship. However, it's common for one partner to let themselves go after getting into a relationship. That never sits right with me, the idea that because someone "locked me down" that they stop putting an effort into keeping themselves attractive. Meanwhile, I'm still watching my weight and staying in shape at the gym. The only weight gain I'd let pass is pregnancy weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 03:48 PM
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Some people enter relationships and assume that the person they are with loves them only for their personality. Twenty five+ pounds later, they are wondering why their partner is spending more time in the office or why the sex frequency has died.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 03:38 PM
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Pilots travel a lot. Working women target them at the bars since they are more likely to desire company when away from home.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/22 03:27 PM
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Wholeheartedly agree. Women are definitely influenced by their social circle(s) when it comes to mate selection. Friends, family, coworkers. If any of them expresses disappointment and/or tell her that she can do better, she will internally convince herself that she is. The ironic thing is that those external parties never know the entirety of the relationship and might cause the woman to leave an otherwise perfect relationship. And now with social media, there is even more social pressure on wo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/01/22 08:13 PM
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That was my thought as well. I imagine pilots know how to spot a working woman better than most men.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/01/22 08:03 PM
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Of course "no short men. However, real women have curves"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/01/22 01:46 AM
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It probably wouldn't sit well with a lot of men to hear that women tolerate some (or a lot) of misogyny from hot men but none with average/unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:06 AM
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There are plenty of women who put on their dating profile the traits they want in their potential partner. Over time, you can pick up some patterns. Repetitive patterns. And a lot of those traits only exist in a small subset of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:15 PM
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I never said that women want the same top percent. However, there is a lot of overlap with what women want/desire in a man. Perhaps you're an outlier, but you can see many examples here and on other dating sites where women list similar traits that they want in a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:04 PM
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There are a lot of qualifiers that women place on men that limit their available options to less than 20% of all men. There's a lot of overlap in what women are looking for in their ideal partner. For example, accounting for income/career (six figures or more), height (six feet or more) means women disqualify 75+% of all men right from the start. Once you account for other things (e.g., penis size, not balding, well-built), it gets even narrower, and more women want some of those overlapping tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:32 PM
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Those women are free to choose how they want to live their lives. If they weren't happy with the scenario, they wouldn't be in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 02:26 AM
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They know that hot/attractive women get to make these demands (e.g., make more than six figures, six feet tall). Now that every woman thinks she's "beautiful just the way she is", they all want what attractive women get. It's pretty absurd and no one wants to tell these delusional women that they're not in a position to be making those demands.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/01/22 06:07 PM
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These guys aren't successful with me, most of them aren't sucessful at all but continue on. OLD is and will continue to be a numbers/time game for men. Only a small number of women will even respond to a given man. Men do not want to (nor do they have the time to) put in hours of thought and tons of energy into convincing one woman to go on a date with them. You're not that special.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 03:53 AM
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Doesn't work long term and only works very short term for some. How do you know that? You're just one woman. Why would a man put in more effort if his success rate might only increase a tad? And like almost every guy on here that's the focus, I didn't just post about the pump n dump guy but that's all that's getting attention A man who has options and is looking for something serious will do what you're suggesting and put more thought/effort into his approach to OLD. If you're encountering a lar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 03:46 AM
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They may not have success with you, but they have enough success with other women that they'll continue to do it. Standards has nothing to do with having success on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 09:29 PM
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Men don't hold each other accountable verbally. They tend to follow what works. It's more likely for men to adopt successful men's behaviors than it is to convince successful men to stop what they are doing. Given that assholes have more success / better options than Nice Guys, it's more likely for men to follow what the assholes are doing because they want that same level of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 08:22 PM
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Your suggestion to fix the online dating system is to have less attractive/successful men tell the more attractive/successful men to stop doing things that attractive/successful men do? Should we tell poor people to ask rich people to stop enjoying the lifestyle that comes with being rich? Commendable, but futile. It's more likely that poor people want to be rich, so they'll behave/act in a way that rich people do. That's what you're seeing on OLD. Men want the success that attractive men get so…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 08:14 PM
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You were just given data and your response is "trust me"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 07:37 PM
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You've never seen white knights defending women against any negative statements made against them? They act as if women cannot defend themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 06:07 PM
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I'd say that ghosting prevents you from learning about 'why' you're not getting a subsequent date. This could lead to frustration since you have no way to improve where you might be lacking. Granted, someone might lie to you to prevent hurting your feelings, which wouldn't help either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 05:25 PM
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Above a certain income (e.g., enough to support a family of four), a man doesn't need to prioritize how much a woman makes. He likely puts more emphasis on how attractive she is and whether she's at an appropriate age to have however many kids he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 01:56 PM
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It's not just resources, though. Women want resources plus status. Especially today, some women might put more emphasis on status because it will at least give her a chance to monkey branch. Think dating a politician.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 12:35 AM
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Some women have told me that leggings/yoga pants give them crazy wedgies. That can't be too comfortable when you're working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 10:40 PM
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Your original statement implies that women are wearing certain clothes because other women are wearing that. That's the definition of conforming.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 10:26 PM
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Men manage to deadlift and benchpress just fine without having to wearing skintight clothing. I believe you in that sports bras and leggings are less restrictive than other types of clothing and you can probably check your form better without being completely topless (like men could do without judgement). My original questions were in response to the conformity part of OPs statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 10:22 PM
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Conformity implies that they're wearing that not because they find them comfortable, but because everyone else is wearing them. The most similar clothing I have is workout underwear, but I and other men wear shorts over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 10:15 PM
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Why do you think that is? Why wouldn't a woman just wear what she's comfortable working out in?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 09:51 PM
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That second pic makes it seem like she has a gigantic butthole. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 09:49 PM
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There are two fit blondes at my gym who go out of their way to wear tight clothes and do some dumbbell squats in the middle of the weight-lifting section (which is dominated by men). They can easily take those dumbbells and do those same exercise in a less crowded section of the gym. I suspect they are trying to get the attention of some of the rich dudes (it's an exclusive gym). It can be distracting sometimes. I will catch myself peeking from time to time between sets (I'm a guy; sue me). It d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 09:48 PM
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That sub is not about saying those women don't deserve love. On its surface, it looks like a sub that hates women. However, it helps unpack what some of those women are saying. The sub highlights some red flags that women display on their dating profiles, which can be a learning experience for men, especially younger men. Notice how most of the women there "want something serious" AFTER they end up with two or more children? Why wouldn't they aim for something serious before they had children? W…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 03:12 AM
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Men got the rights sooner than women but you have to think in context. Men were the ones fighting the wars, doing the laborious work building industries, establishing order, coming up with a system of government. Women we're in charge of their homes/families. Of course men were going to be the rights holders of society in the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:06 AM
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If you have to negotiate sexual frequency, you might as well not be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 11:56 PM
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Men get to pick which women are potential options. Women only get to pick from their available options.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 11:48 PM
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I agree that assholes should be called out. However, an asshole is not going to change their ways if someone they deem inferior calls them an asshole. Throwing an insult back at someone only shows that their initial insult worked. Those assholes want to feel superior and by getting insulted and responding, you showed her that you valued her words meanwhile she doesn't care about yours. Which makes her feel superior. If enough men didn't respond to the height question, then MAYBE those women will…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 10:13 PM
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What's more important is for her to show some enthusiasm. Ladies, expression and passion go a long way. Men can't be the only ones adding spice to the sex life. If your man is rocking your world in the bedroom, show some reciprocation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:54 PM
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You might feel good by "getting back at her" in the short term but you're only sinking to her level. What do you really gain by retorting that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:48 PM
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Sure. You'll encounter a bit of childish behavior on apps. Especially the free ones. Still, it doesn't make sense to try to trigger women in response to their questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:39 PM
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Some women aren't asking with the intent to know, but they're shit testing you to see if you're easily triggered. If you asked her immediately after she asked you, then it makes it seem like you got offended/insulted. It's better to say something like "tall enough to put the cookie jar out of your reach when you misbehave". In any case, knowing her weight isn't really a good indicator of how she'll look, as some women carry their weight differently. A better question to ask is how often she work…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:48 PM
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This is probably the reason why women lie about their n-count. They don't want to end up on someone's "casual only" list.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:10 PM
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It highlights how some women think they can pick a man off a tree. You have to put yourself in the shoes of the kind of man that these women want and also consider what those women are bringing to the table. Usually those women are not in a position to be making demands. For example, they may be single mothers, out of shape, and/or much older. Men in general do not seek single mothers as partners. They'll consider, them, however, if they have redeeming qualities. Keyword redeeming. Same thing wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:52 PM
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Whereareallthegoodmen. It's not just making fun of single moms, fat women, though. It's making fun of less attractive but entitled women who think they can demand highly desired traits from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:08 PM
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If a woman who is a 2/10 has a minimum standard of a man who is 4+/10, what does that say about men who are 2/10? His female equivalent is overlooking him. Asking men to lower their standards is asking them to accept a terrible deal. At some point, you've lowered your standards so much that it's better to not bother dating. I think we're seeing this with both men and women. The slight difference is that women still get sex, so they'll stay in the dating market. If that trend continues, there wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:01 PM
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Of course, sane people want more than just looks. My point stands, though. Character flaws are not immediately apparent. On OLD, you're typically going for the most physically attractive option and then filtering for character traits. It's not unreasonable to assume that someone will overlook some red flags because they find a particular option hot enough. There's a risk of ending up burned in the end going that route, though. This goes for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:37 AM
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Is it not unreasonable to assume that if you have 100+ options, you're likely going to start from your hottest options (ignoring character traits) and then work your way down? And by doing so, you're probably going to date some hot, but emotionally damaging people?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:20 AM
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If you have the traits that the other sex desires (e.g., 6'+, 6 figures or more), then you can aim for partners who are higher in attractiveness. That is, you have more options from w hich to choose and you'll likely have more success. If you don't have desired traits, you likely need to aim lower to have success in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:08 AM
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I enjoy the challenge that comes from lifting. Plus keeping your muscle tone is a good way to prolong a high quality of life. It's easy to put on some podcast/show while at the gym as well, so you can multitask that way. A nice byproduct is that I catch more attention from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:25 PM
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He just started working out randomly? How long have you all been together?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:22 PM
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The last time I used Tinder, every other woman or so was looking for a man who was 6' or higher, sometimes coupled with 6 figures or more. Just those two traits alone mean they excluded about 90% of all men! They didn't JUST list those traits as a preference, however. They belittled anyone who didn't meet them. "Broke men need not apply." "Real men can provide for his queen." "Short men aren't real men." "Small eggplant swipe left." Meanwhile, those women were arguably average in attractiveness.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 12:47 AM
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It becomes unreasonable when the qualifiers you place on your potential mates leave less than 5% of the total population as options. Meanwhile, you yourself are not in that top 5% of your respective sex. Imagine if an average man was out here saying that the only women worth dating are those that are attractive enough to be Instagram models or professional cheerleaders. You'd laugh at that man for days. Now imagine if a good number of average men said that. Maybe some of those average men get a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 08:34 PM
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There were a few instances where they posted photos of themselves as a way to show that they're doing better without men. Some posted pics of them marrying themselves, some next to some cheap new car they just leased.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:18 PM
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Plenty of things. Companionship (someone to be there when you're sick), an activity/travel partner, someone with whom to have children (assuming she can stillhave them).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:14 PM
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I appreciate the rational response. In case I don't hear back from ya, have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:45 AM
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I would say though I guess there’s another side to the coin. Like men can have sex with a lot of women and there value is not diminished. Whereas women are seen as whores or easy etc. The more promiscuous a person is, the more likely they are to disassociate the love component of sex. They're also more likely to enjoy the variety from different partners. I think that's true for both sexes. Nothing wrong with that, per se, but liking variety means that you might not be as satisfied with your long…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:31 AM
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There is a lot in play, for sure. Some women don't like a big age gap. Especially if it might make her seem predatory amongst her friend group. Some women don't want anything serious above a certain age, so they'll only go for casual. Some assume they'll end up being the mommy/maid, so they'll avoid younger guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:05 AM
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I agree that women will have a better chance at love if they relax some of their wants in a partner. It might not make them happy, though. Women in general want someone on the same socio-economic level or higher. They don't want to have to lower their standard of living to get into a relationship. Women have their own money but not enough to supplement a man AND live a life that they desire. In the US, less than 6% of women earn more than $100k.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:38 AM
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I agree with you. Both sides have faults. My point is that people get upset when you call women out on asshole behavior. Society faults men when they manipulate women, but it doesn't fault women when it manipulates men. If a man is keeping a woman around for easy sex and/or favors, he's an asshole and she's a victim of a manipulator. If a woman is keeping a man around for non-sexual favors, he should have known better. BTW, is Gus short for something?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:31 AM
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Same here. I used OKCupid about five years ago and it used to let you search on people's responses to questions. I used that as a way to not bother with women that responded that they "wanted to date someone their race" and "wanted children of their own race/ethnic background". Apparently, the site removed those questions from their database. To me there's a big difference between not dating someone of certain races/ethnic backgrounds and hating them. Nowadays, companies play it a bit too safe t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:22 AM
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Younger men in general, don't have money, though. Most older women date younger men for some hot sex, but they don't get much else out of it. Perhaps that's enough, but women tend to want more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:03 AM
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It's been a while since I've used those apps, but I think they let you set some filters. Maybe they removed them recently. I know on Bumble you have to be careful in how you exclude certain people. All it takes is a few whiners to flag your profile for "hate speech".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 05:01 PM
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I don't know about weaponize, but there is such a thing as having leverage in a relationship. TRP helps men build upon that. Physically attractive women have leverage in a relationship. They can sometimes act bitchy and men will have a higher tolerance. Similarly, HVM have more leverage in a relationship. Most women would at least think twice before leaving him, knowing that men like him are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:55 PM
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Didn't dating apps have racial/ethnic background filters before?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:35 PM
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It never clicks to some women that guys are willing to go down a bit (or a lot) in looks to scratch an itch. They think that because this hot guy gave her some attention, that she's worth commitment at that hot guy's level. And that's not the case. Long-term, committed relationships are a huge investment. Guys who are looking for that want more than just looks.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/01/22 02:47 PM
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There isn't an abundance of HVM is my point. Anyway, have a happy new year.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:36 AM
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I might steal that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:56 AM
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Only making it shorter lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:20 AM
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You're allowed to blame Chad and the women who are trying to get his commitment. You're also allowed to blame the woman using her orbiters just as much as you're allowed to blame the orbiters themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:51 PM
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Even if my definition of a HVM differs than yours, it still remains that other women will have eyes for that same HVM that YOU want.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:48 PM
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If you looked at an obese person's family tree, you'll see that genetics wasn't the reason why they are obese. I'll agree that parents set their children up for failure when they don't instill proper nutrition / food discipline. It's unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:22 PM
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Do you think that your definition of a HVM differs that much from the other women wanting that same man (aka your competition)?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:20 PM
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You're my kind of company. You should know, though, that that kind of logical thinking might earn you the label of victim blamer in some circles. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:17 PM
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I agree. Both people in my scenario are still in the wrong, though. The man for taking advantage of the woman. And the woman for not sticking up for herself/leaving when she should.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:02 PM
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Any preference makes you insecure to a lot of women. If I listed I liked longer hair, I was insecure. Called a pedo for setting my age range between 20 and 26 (I was 30 at the time). Called a pedo for not wanting overweight women. According to some women, only children can be less than obese... Called insecure by overweight women. "Can't handle a real woman" was my favorite phrase they used. I was "full of hate" because I did not want to date a single mother. Online dating is unreal at times.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/12/21 09:45 PM
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Let's say a man dated a woman who was swooning over him, didn't find her too appealing, but suggested that they "just be friends." Any time, the man wanted a favor or some easy sex, he'd call her up (knowing that he had her wrapped around his finger). Women would be up and down screaming about emotional manipulation. And rightly so! It's not wrong to point out that women sometimes do this. Now, I agree that men need to learn how to stand firm and cut their losses if the woman he's eyeing doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:13 PM
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Fifteen thousand is certainly cheaper than a costly divorce. However, unless the uncanny valley-ness of the bot goes away, I'd much rather invest that into a sugar baby relationship. Say they improve such that you cannot tell the difference between the bot and an actual woman, I think you'll see quite the demand for them. Not sure if I'd ever buy one. If I got one, I'd probably go for a Girl Next Door type of model. Fit, mid-20s, bubbly personality. If it is more than just a sex doll, then I'd w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 06:15 PM
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Sure, with women who are also broke and/or desperate. In those instances, those men are still able to bring something to the table. Most women aren't comfortable being the primary breadwinner in the relationship. And they certainly don't want to fully support some bum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 04:50 PM
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I've had women match with me only to give me a few choice words about my (imo reasonable) wants in a partner. lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/12/21 04:16 PM
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Try being broke and see how many women love you for who you are. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:06 PM
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Sounds like the free agent lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:38 AM
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Not the person you responded to, but here are some reasons why they are sometimes null and voided. Note that some of the reasons are up to interpretation by the judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:37 AM
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Right? Increasing obesity seems to be trending with an increase of Viagra prescriptions. Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:30 AM
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A lot of women in general have it (1 in 5). You're probably just reading more women discussing it online.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 02:06 AM
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I would ask you to list the things that benefit men exclusively in a healthy, successful marriage. The short or non-existent list should be enough to change your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 12:24 AM
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I also wonder the same. So many people living paycheck to paycheck today. Plus a large number of people up to their nose in debt with no way to pay for it. Costs of everything going up. Things will likely look bleak sometime in the next couple of decades. Only a small number of people will be able to thrive meanwhile a good chunk of people will be trying to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:49 PM
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That's good that you have a pension. A lot of folks nowadays aren't that lucky. And I do wonder what the availability of jobs will be for people at retirement age in the next 30+ years. There are some people who are 70+ who want to work but have nothing available. Though with people having fewer children, maybe there will be more availability at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 07:38 PM
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Serious questions here: how much of a return are you getting on that $1k a month? How much do you plan to have around retirement age? And how much per month are you expecting to spend at retirement?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 07:11 PM
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How would you know what men want if you're not a man? You seem to be making a lot of baseless assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 06:07 PM
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I often wondered if single mothers purposely sabotage their sons' dating chances so that the son will end up staying at home and be "the man of the house".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 07:39 PM
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Do you have that same sentiment for former drug dealers who used what they got to get ahead?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 03:37 AM
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Maybe you have but they just never let you know. It also depends on your social circle. I imagine you're more likely to meet an OF woman if you are a swinger or hang out with them. I have never met an OF woman myself, either. Closest I've been to knowing one is a friend of a friend mentioning they would try it. Most women know that there's a risk you'd shame them and/or wouldn't date them if they unveiled they did OF. That's why they'll keep it a secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 10:13 PM
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Usually, it's uncovered while they are in the dating phase and/or sometime in the relationship phase. Sometimes the women are upfront about that with the men they are dating. IMO this is the best approach, since a man is less likely to feel like she was hiding it from him. Sometimes, a close friend makes a joke assuming the bf knew of her history. There have been at least a few /relationship posts where the woman asks why the man she was dating ghosted/left her after learning about her OnlyFans …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 09:41 PM
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Most women keep their OnlyFans activities outside of their local sphere. They usually don't want their friends/family/community to know what they are doing. It's almost like it's a shameful act... That being said, if you search for "onlyfans reget" on youtube, you'll get some videos from women not liking the consequences of doing onlyfans. Some of them are failing at relationships. Some of them got outed to their local school/job and now feel humiliated or got fired. Sometimes, it's their friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 08:46 PM
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Why would an OnlyFans woman be dumb enough to tell their male friends that they have an account? They'd essentially be asking for a change in the relationship dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 08:33 PM
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It's a tougher sell as a 40 year old divorcee compared to 25. At your age, most men expect their partners to have SOME experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:43 AM
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There are a lot of variables to consider. Ultimately, it's your decision. Can YOU personally match with a guy on your level and be happy with that outcome? Can you work with a guy on your level towards shared outcomes (e.g., family)? If not, then yeah, avoid dating. Life is more than romantic relationships, btw. People should first try to find happiness/fulfillment with themselves before adding a partner/family into the mix. My two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 09:22 PM
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Red pill is more about understanding the world. We look at the likelihood of things happening based on our experiences and societal trends. We aim to be at the top 20% of men because we're likely to have more fulfilling relationships that way. As far as women, we look at the likelihood of her being happy when she was promiscuous with hot/rich men when she was younger. If we use an analogy: if you were able to dine multiple 5-star restaurants every week when you were younger, would you be satisfi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 07:57 PM
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There are plenty of average women who learn to accept who they are and the caliber of men they can attract. They are happy aiming for what they can reasonably attract and have fulfilling relationships. Many of our parents/grandparents did that. Society/social media has given women the idea that they're all worthy of the top 20% of men and that they'll only be happy if they get one. If YOU don't think you can be happy unless you're in a committed relationship with a top 20% man, and you're not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 07:23 PM
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Most men who can "upgrade" to more attractive partners don't complain about hypergamy. Why would they when they directly benefited from it? It's usually the men who get dumped due to a woman's hypergamy that complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 07:00 PM
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Free apps are always going to have an abundance of poor choices, for both men and women. I'd say pay for a match subscription and see how that goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 05:31 PM
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It's a bit of a cultural taboo among women but it's an easy way to get a man because most women aren't doing it. Someone must be spilling men's secrets. You are right, though. There are certain things women can do to almost guarantee commitment from her man. I don't envy you bro. If you tried dating outside of the US you would probably get better treatment. I agree. It's easier said than done, though. Aside from making really good money, most men wouldn't even know where to begin.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:34 PM
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Some women are okay throwing away what they have because they think something better will always be available. Buxx from women? That's surprising. I saw you comment a few times here before. I thought you were a man writing as a woman as a joke. I was surprised when I saw your YouTube channel. In any case, my experience is as a man dating in the US. It could be different in your part of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 11:27 PM
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But attraction isn't that important to women. Most women see their SOs as a kind male friend that they have sleep with occasionally. It doesn't matter all that much if the guy is attractive. A lot of the women who cheat with hotter men would disagree. For example I bought my man an apartment at 20 and promised him that he would never have to work a day in his life as long as he stays with me. Also I can easily buy him hotter women than the girls that tried to poach him. You must be that unicorn …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 07:26 PM
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She knows that she can't keep him so she doesn't bother trying in the first place. She's more attracted to him than the men she can keep, though. That's the ultimate point. It's ideal to be attractive to your partner than not. That way, there's less worry about your partner straying. Attractive men don't stay single buddy. Some woman snaps them up and mate guards them. Some do stay single, though. They then enjoy the rotation of women trying to snap them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 06:37 PM
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Yeah, I work remotely since 6 years, but an office environment saturated with middle aged married people wouldn't be conducive to meeting anyone anyway. Another thing that helped was that my company had social events, particularly for new hires. That doesn't help in a remote environment; however, maybe there are professional societies that meet up in your area? Not sure what your field is. I've been going to the gym for several years but I don't think that's a good way to meet women at all. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 06:20 PM
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And how is Becky supposed to keep that man buddy? That's for her to figure out. Why would a "tall, rich, bad boy" want some other guy's dumpy girlfriend? Lulz. For a slow Tuesday, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 06:07 PM
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There are a lot of 80s/90s songs talking about how women like shy guys "because they'll only be mine" and how women want nice guys. Even movies gave the impression that women rejected handsome jerks to be with nice/smart less-attractive men. Boys never really got the message that women want tall, fit, rich, handsome, charismatic, masculine men who happen to be nice. Maybe with today's hyper-sexualized media will boys get the message loud and clear, but who knows? For a lot of men, it catches us …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 05:47 PM
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There is some artistry involved with rejecting a woman. lol Sometimes you have to be a little firmer (e.g., "I'm not into you"), sometimes you have to be creative (e.g., I'm joining NASA to live on Mars), sometimes you have to give some grey lies (e.g., "it's not you, it's me."), sometimes you have to play the reverse UNO card on their clinginess (e.g., "when are we getting married?").
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/12/21 05:23 PM
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My statement wasn't aimed at you. I'm just further pushing the mantra behind the stereotypical FDS woman. I'm in a trolling mood this Xmas morning. To the latter part of your comment: You can't change people. If one isn't into you for whatever reason, you move onto the next. Eventually you'll find someone who vibes with you. If your only way to meet women is through online dating, you're trying to move uphill on roller skates. That was my issue. Most of my hobbies have me indoors (e.g., 3D print…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 05:18 PM
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Some women will press on with a soft rejection, though. I've had a few women try to convince me to give her a chance. "We can make it work!"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/12/21 04:55 PM
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It's like a job seeker complaining that companies are not offering them million dollar salaries for their mid-level career positions. "I deserve to be paid as well as the CEO!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 04:49 PM
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It'll make you feel better since it is the women who are failing to meet your expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 03:07 PM
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The question is about whether men care. In the scenario I presented, it's implied that the woman doesn't care how much her partner makes. I'm aware that's not typically the case, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 04:46 AM
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In a LTR, the sweet spot is finding a high earning woman who lives frugally and doesn't pressure/berate her man to match her or outearn her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 02:54 PM
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I don't think I've had the pleasure of hearing from that person. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 04:37 AM
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Everyone is owed a modicum of courtesy. To answer your question, it depends on the context. I am friends with a few gay men and they're great company. Would I comfortably rely on them to back me up in the event of a physical altercation? No. They try to be diplomatic first (feminine trait, IMO) even when the other party is threatening violence. Conversely, I wouldn't want to go out alone with one of my more masculine female friends because she is very arrogant (a masculine trait, IMO) and is pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 01:42 AM
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AWALT/AMALT doesn't mean every single person is identical. It just means that the outliers are just that, outliers. If you're going by your life, should you operate assuming people behave like the 10th percentile or are you likelier to have success if you operated like you were dealing with someone who is in the 90th percentile? I mean success in general. Whether you want to date someone or whether you're just trying to persuade them. Everyone is unique, yes. But there are common traits that peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 01:31 AM
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When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down... Note that she doesn't mention WHEN "it comes time to settle down." Is it at 25, 30, 35, 55? There are plenty of woman who followed this advice who are now 40+ and are still looking for husbands. At that point, your chances …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 04:12 PM
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"Date me on potential. Meanwhile, you have to be everything I want right now!"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/12/21 02:42 AM
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lol I agree with you for the most part. In case your questions were sincere: some people start business and then let their children take ownership. Others pass down some kind of inheritance/wealth. Those things give their kids a leg up from a societal perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:18 PM
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Right? I mean, if you're leaving something for your child(ren) to thrive, then go for it. Most people nowadays can barely afford to raise their children. Worse is that they use their children as future retirement plans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:11 PM
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Men and women are taking a hard look as to whether it's worth it to bring additional children into this world. For some people, passing on your legacy is crucial, so they'll make the earnest effort. For people who are lukewarm to the idea, they're finding it better to just forego children and live a fulfilling life on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:07 PM
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Gotcha. Many years ago I would have balked at the idea of polyamory. It didn't help that my ex brought up that she liked the concept a few weeks before breaking up with me. Left a sour taste in my mouth. However, thinking about it with an open mind, it makes more sense. Many of us have a plethora of needs that cannot be reasonably met by only one person. I'm sure that there are strict boundaries you all must take, but there can still be love/ mutual understanding among all parties. With the way …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:13 AM
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I'm all for trades. I'm lucky in that I chose a degree to enter into a good career (engineering). However, if I started from high school again, I would seriously consider the trades (maybe plumbing/electrician). I'd probably kill it if I started my own business. I might consider something in the near future regarding AI/Machine learning. Also, it makes me happy to read couples working together and overcoming that kind of setback. If you don't mind me asking: did I understand correctly that your …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 05:43 AM
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The last datapoint I saw regarding salaries showed that women out earn men for the first few years immediately after college; however, the careers women tend to choose have a lower salary cap compared to the fields men typically choose. There is also the increasing student loan debt of which women hold a large majority. More men are choosing to enter the trades or other blue-collar jobs that might not be as lucrative, but they pay well. With regards to your situation, I'm assuming your husband p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 05:04 AM
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In general, men make more than women, income-wise. On top of that, women tend to be more the nurturing type. Given that, in a heterosexual relationship, it's more likely that the woman takes time off and/or takes on a less-stressful career path while she helps with the children. It doesn't make sense for the higher earning partner to quit because the family will benefit from the additional income. Mothers also typically need time to recover after having children, so having them take more time of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 04:43 AM
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My point was that if you wanted to participate in said sexual revolution and actually see those women, you had to do something about it. You couldn't just sit back at home and spend hours upon hours browsing pictures/videos online.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 08:11 PM
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Those things existed, but you had to go out of your way to get them. Nowadays, every person who browses social media is bound to find something provocative. It's almost more difficult to avoid seeing attractive, half-naked women on the net. I never said it was just sex, but it is one component that sexless men are missing. Maybe with AI + VR porn increasing in popularity, the relationship need will be fulfilled as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 07:25 PM
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Exposure to something might make you crave it greatly. Sure. I'd argue that the internet + social media gives men quite the taste, though. 50+ years ago, the average guy couldn't see naked women or even women in sexually suggestive poses. Now it's difficult to avoid seeing that. I think seeing that and not being able to even experience sex makes men that much more frustrated. My thought is that if it's legal, more sexless men can experience it, realize it isn't that big a deal, and live their li…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 03:19 PM
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Women should be protected from being forced into the sex industry. I agree there. Women are free to do what they want with their bodies, though, which includes monetizing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 03:09 PM
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With the normalization of prostitution via seeking and onyfans, it's possible for it to be legalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 01:44 PM
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Personally, I don't value casual/non-committal sex, so straying outside of a great/perfect relationship isn't worth it, IMO. Even if the woman was a 10+/10, I'd be sacrificing a lot just to get my rocks off. And the sex might not even be good... :|
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 03:32 AM
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Sure. If she was a ride or die type and/or contributed to my business or knew how to calm me when I was stressed, then there is a lot of value in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 02:12 AM
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Celebrities/Athletes live very different lives compared to the average person. I don't think we should be comparing the average person's lives to them. I will say though that a man who improves himself and becomes a HVM while his gf has become complacent (e.g., gained weight, entitled/bitchy attitude, shows little appreciation for her man) might have reason to look to another woman for a more fulfilling relationship. If I worked my way up to become a multi-millionaire and my girlfriend is taking…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 01:59 AM
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Is that an addendum to one of my paragraphs? Or are you referring to something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 01:13 AM
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At its core, TRP teaches men to understand why they are struggling with women and help them improve on areas where they can in order to get better outcomes. From what I've seen, FDS women believe that they are good enough for HVM as they are and that their problem is they need to vet better. However, if HVM aren't trying to date you with serious intent, then there is some introspection that needs to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 01:10 AM
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When it comes to self-improvement, FDS is implicit; whereas TRP is more explicit. No one tells TRP men that they are good enough just as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 12:57 AM
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They never want to share the praise with men, only the blame. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 12:53 AM
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Most women want a man who has everything in order prior to marriage (e.g., house, high-paying job, attractive/in-shape, social-status/clout, etc.). Most men looking to marry just need a woman who is cute and agreeable/motherly. We are rather simple.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/12/21 12:51 AM
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A lot of the FDSers don't want to be accepted as they are, though. Because they have to accept the outcomes that older, fatter, less attractive women get (i.e., less attractive men). FDSers want to be on equal footing with fit, beautiful, 25 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 11:19 PM
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I'd give a widow a pass. For all other cases, though, a bad decision is a bad decision. Doesn't matter if the outcome of that bad decision happened at 18 or 40. It's no different than a woman who got herself in $100+k in debt. She may be a nice person, but her value as a romantic partner is still lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 07:10 PM
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Try dying your hair pink.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 06:12 PM
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It certainly is her fault. She got pregnant by someone who isn't father material. It shows a lack of good judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 06:11 PM
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It takes longer for a man to be marriage ready (in the eyes of a woman) compared to a woman (in the eyes of a man).
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/12/21 02:40 PM
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Dayum. Karma is a B.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/12/21 02:40 PM
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And lots of people stay in happy ones. Just because you believe that RP cannot have happy and healthy LTRs doesn't make that reality. That's just your belief/opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 08:25 PM
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Damn son. You're living the dream. I'm at that phase in my live where I have too much discretionary income. Might invest in some properties like that. Feel free to share any hints/pointers. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:28 PM
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Lmao. Definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:43 PM
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I'm just saying I see those women's point of view as well. They don't want to get into a relationship with someone who is putting in the bare minimum of effort/attention. Because that might continue well into the relationship. Personally, you can show effort without breaking the bank. Plus, the first couple of dates are there to see if there's any chemistry, not to impress.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:24 PM
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In general I agree with you. In practice, it varies. Some women believe that the way a man shows he's into her is by putting more effort and money into the dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:16 PM
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I agree with you. I've always done something small for the first couple of dates. Even pandemic dating had me mostly video chatting the first few "dates", which are pretty cheap. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:38 AM
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It's a catch-22 though. If you did the coffee/park date, some women whom you might otherwise click with will call you cheap. If you splurge a bit, you'll spend more per date. Plus you might attract gold diggers...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:25 AM
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I will say though that someone as repugnant as Rollo is not likely to have a normal loving relationship. I don't know if I can believe that. Him and his wife are still together, and they have at least one child. If she wasn't happy, she could have left a long time ago. In fact, it would be easy for her to leave. She can easily make a case given that his material can be considered "hate of women" somehow. We're all entitled to our opinions, though. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:15 PM
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That's a good combo. Mechanical is tough, though, depending on what subsection. I tried applying to an energy company in Houston a few years ago. It was tough then. I imagine it's tougher now. Hopefully you're keeping an open mind as far as location. Best of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 09:08 PM
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Same can be said for any marriage, regardless of whether any of them are red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 08:51 PM
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Well, like I said, being cautious for a while helps. I'm trying to not be vivid, but I find oral more enjoyable when I can be free and I can sense my partner. I'll look into them in the future, though. What kind of engineering discipline are you studying, if you don't mind me asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 08:48 PM
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Condoms give me peace of mind for the most part. But I won't put exposed mouth anywhere unless I know there's no risk of infection. I've dated some women for months at a time, only for them to tell me right before sex that she has herpes. "Though it hasn't flared since X months ago". So forgive me, future lovers for being cautious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 08:22 PM
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Those things are going to exist even if TRP didn't. TRP just points out some trends from a behavior standpoint. You can't stop people from taking that information and using it to their advantage. You're always going to have bad actors in subgroups.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 08:19 PM
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He is considered a Godfather of sorts when it comes to Red Pill. He wrote a couple of books, all based on evolutionary biology. Maybe you can spend a weekend or two skimming through them and get a feel for what TRP actually is and not just snippets of RP that PUA types use. Not all RP men fit the type you are describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 08:00 PM
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It's difficult if not impossible to argue data/facts/statistics. A lot of Blue Pillers likely leave because they only have opinions and anecdotal evidence to support their claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:49 PM
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There are many RP men who have families and are in normal, loving relationships, though. Rollo Tomassi, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:45 PM
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Only after seeing a recent and negative STD panel do I give her the full BFE. I'm pretty skilled orally but I'm not going to risk catching something incurable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:34 PM
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The problem is that women deny that hypergamy exists. They want men to remain in the dark about it. If they were upfront, open, and honest about it, it would be okay. Men would either work on improving the things that women want in order to be her "highest" option, or avoid dating all together if it's too much effort. Women won't admit it because they don't want to end up empty handed when average/BB men refuse to be the backup plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:27 PM
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One in five do, though if you avoid women such as in the one in the OP, you might have better odds.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/12/21 05:16 PM
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Ok. I'll give you that. You gained a memory. However, people (at least most men) date with the intent of getting sex and/or a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 05:07 PM
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Who said anything about showing off to friends? Nothing to show for it, as in nothing gained from the effort put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:46 PM
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Not sure what you mean by men's rights. Nothing is stopping men from busting a nut for free, unless they were born without both arms. Legalizing prostitution will change the relationship/dating dynamics, though. And in many good ways. A lot of men put up with toxic women only because there is no other way for them to be intimate. If prostitution was legalized, men would feel more comfortable walking away from such women. This in turn might make those women reevaluate their toxic ways. Some men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:54 PM
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“Spinning plates”. That’s literally about being a promiscuous male. It's more of a principle. If you're dating one person at a time, you tend to ignore red flags because you desperately want the relationship to happen. When you have multiple options, you're okay with letting go of the bad ones. It's analogous to that circus act where you try to spin multiple plates on thin poles. If one falls and breaks, you don't dwell on that one, you grab another plate from the bag and keep going. You don't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:33 PM
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The site actually uses data from the CDC and other sources. It's not meant to measure how successful a given woman is, but more so how rare men with certain trait are (e.g., income, height). How a woman uses that site is up to her, but it should at least shed some light on the likelihood of her meeting those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 07:58 PM
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I dated this one girl for a few months. Things were going great (getting along well, going on fun dates, no fighting whatsoever). About three months before she broke up with me, she mentions that guys at the gym were noticing how she was improving on her lifts. Two months before the breakup, she mentions that she "likes the concept of an open relationship." I didn't press on that (though in hindsight I should have then and there). One month before she breaks up with me she becomes extremely aloo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 06:58 PM
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All the added testosterone makes men competitive. We strive to be the best versions of ourselves we can be. It's actually healthier than assuming we're good enough only to have us fail in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 04:30 PM
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If that were the case, RP advice would just be: make lots of money, fly to the place with the cheapest, legal prostitution, bang whores until your dick falls off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:10 PM
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Some people want a partner who values sex for the emotional connection side and not just the pleasurable side.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:40 AM
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In order to figure out whether she's "one of the guys", you're going to have to risk offending her. Most men aren't willing to do that. This is especially true if you know her at a professional level. You don't want to say something slightly offensive and then have her report you to HR or tell your coworkers that you're some misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 09:37 PM
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I'm sure you're special yourself if he married you. The site is pointing out that those men are rare. If you're prone to getting neurotic, then yeah, don't look that kind of data up. But if your goal is to get married to a man with certain highly desired traits, it's good to know what percentage of the men they are so you can put yourself in the best path of success. It's also not a bad idea to know who your competition is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 08:52 PM
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To be fair, a marriage isn't really successful until it is indeed "...til death", but that's not what I wanted to focus on. Chasing people out of your league is more of an initial dating-phase issue. The terms on that delusional calculator can be hyperbolic, but it's still factual to point out that your chances of finding a mate are smaller when you start adding more and more qualifiers. And it does highlight that it's more competitive when you do. I would hope that if a single woman saw that, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 08:33 PM
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It's a valid question. There has to be some kind of qualifier. If your relationships are lasting years at a time, then it's likely both of you are close on the relative attractiveness scale (aka "league"). If, however, your partners leave after a few months or only want to keep things casual even when you're pushing for a committed relationship, then it's likely that they're out of your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 08:14 PM
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For how long, though? If you can only keep them for short-term/casual/FWBs and they're usually the ones breaking it up, or they leave when you want commitment, then I'd argue that you're not in their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:44 PM
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OP, there is a big difference between an MGTOW and an incel. MGTOW men choose to live their life for themselves and not for women; whereas, an incel wants to have relationships with women, but is unsuccessful for whatever reason. For the women who answered, I'd say try putting yourselves into the shoes of a man and think about what you would tell your daughter if she became a hardcore feminist. Would therapy be the answer there?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:40 PM
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I wish that the OP question had made separate posts for RP/MGTOW/incels. The majority of women jumped onto therapy as the end-all/be-all answer. The only one that would really need therapy would be incels, IMO. And even then, therapy would help them understand the world, accept who they are, and live their lives for themselves before inviting women in. They'll likely to leave therapy as RP/MGTOW if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:20 PM
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I have a few female friends, all of whom are married. Whenever we hang out, it's always in a group setting. In my view, when two people are friends who are also of the opposite sex, there exists the potential for something romantic, unless they have both acknowledged and agreed that nothing romantic will ever happen between them. Otherwise, one or both may think that there is some potential for love down the road, which is fair game, IMO. The problem people have in opposite sex friendships is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:44 PM
1

Initiations are every other Sunday.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:31 PM
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High Value Woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:03 PM
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Someone impregnated her... Twice.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/12/21 01:29 AM
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35M About 35 bodies. As long as they have a clean bill of health, I don't really care about bodies if I'm casually dating someone. If they are looking for a long term committed relationship, then their behavior around sex is going to influence whether I want to take that relationship to that level. I do find that women with high body counts are more likely to disassociate themselves from the emotional part of sex. But it's a case by case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:33 PM
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At least in the US, there is a lot of identity politics in the media and it does tend to influence people to have animosity towards those that are not 100% aligned with them. "If you're not on my side, then you're against me." Which is kind of a shame, because there is a broad spectrum even within one party. My parents are on the opposite sides of the political spectrum, but they still get along well. They even throw light jabs at each other when some politicians do something dumb. (e.g., "What'…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:45 AM
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Ok. I lied. I'll reply at least once more. lol ​ It ignores the concept of emotional connection and compatibility which are important when establishing intimacy and instead brands women as pieces of meat and baby factories and men as shallow doofes that would put the very humanstic idea of respect and love aside in order to confine it to some animalistic principle of how society should work. Some of the extreme RPers can sometimes be hyperbolic, but I don't think the majority of TRP necessarily …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:22 AM
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It's more so that women want the full authority of their own bodies. Plus, they don't want an accidental pregnancy to ruin their future.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:08 PM
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I’d even have guys fight me on a point but then slide into my dms which had never happened to me before Thirsty bois will be thirsty bois. I'm going to try hard not to slide into your DMs now. lol In general, people don't want to be seen as shallow. I think that's where the pushback comes from. Additionally, people want to believe that their personality matters more in attracting their partner and not their looks. Otherwise, they have to contend with the fact that they might not be able to attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:50 AM
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She's actually 25 years Macron's senior and she was his teacher while he was in high school... yeah let's ignore that one. Megan Markle is a beautiful woman. Plus, she has some celebrity status and has kept herself in shape. Beautiful women are always going to have good options, even when they are older. Heck, Liz Hurley is 20 years my senior and if she was in my vicinity, I'd holler. But those women are outliers. Those women are attractive even compared to women 10 years younger than they are. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:38 AM
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When i write commitment, I'm referring to being in a long term committed relationship. Older women have a more difficult time finding that. One reason is because there are fewer options available. Another reason is that the options she has available are less attractive than the options she had when she was younger and more attractive. This results in her having to compromise on what she wants in a partner or remain single. It's a sign of maturity, of course, but most people don't want to lower t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 08:18 PM
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BMI isn't meant to be the only metric to measure one's health. However, there is strong correlation with high/low BMI and health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 04:57 PM
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The only issue is that women assume they are as desirable at 35 as they were at 25. It becomes an issue for older women who want commitment as they are less likely to attract the attractive men their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 04:48 PM
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It also filters out attractive, commitment-minded men who are looking for an attractive woman. Food for thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:05 PM
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If any woman responds, I bet they'll only focus on your last paragraph and hit you with a "who hurt you?". Lol. Btw, if someone asks me about the wall, I'm going to refer them to your comment. It was succinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:35 PM
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I bet it's the avatar. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:10 AM
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Thanks for your reasonableness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:18 AM
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Same with the women who have friends who are married to high value men at 40+.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:35 AM
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Well it looks like you both have aligned goals and are prepared in case someone lost their job. That's great. Not everyone has that luxury. Enjoy your week. Peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:31 AM
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I never said it was automatic. It was a hypothetical question. Do you make more than your partner? If so, does it worry you that if you lost your job, the household will be at risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:56 AM
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Sure, it depends on how young the woman is. Young women in their 20s aren't that amenable to dating much older. I'd estimate less than 33% of women under 30 are willing to date much older.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:51 PM
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I guarantee you if you're an older woman on a dating site, men are filtering you out based on your age, regardless of how good you look in comparison to women your age and regardless of his age. If you're happy with the options you have as you age, then why do you complain about this Wall that men have apparently made up?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 10:45 PM
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But how about to a 30 year old with his life together? The wall doesn't mean a woman loses ALL of her looks. Only that there's a noticable decline, especially in comparison to her younger peers. Those younger peers are competition. She decided to lock down Jay-Z because she didn't want to lose to said competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 10:03 PM
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That's great to hear!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:55 PM
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I agree that an attractive woman will have a dating advantage over a less attractive woman at her age. That's common sense. However, it still stands that a given (attractive) woman will find fewer quality potential mates as she gets 30+ compared to an attractive man her same age. Her options do not increase as much as she puts herself in the top 10-20% of female earners compared to a man who did the same . Sure she can widen the age gap, but there are challenges there. For one, few younger men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:47 PM
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Most men aren't looking to dump their wives. Of the 50% of marriages that end in divorce, only 20% are initiated by men. I'm just saying that you have a better chance locking someone down over the long term while you're at your most attractive self versus waiting until you're less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:09 PM
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I agree with that, to an extent. Most women want a man closer to her age. The question then becomes how much older does she need to go to get attractive men at that older age?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:03 PM
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People usually mature enough for adulthood by 20. Destiny's child was already successful by 2000. Beyonce was 19 at the time. We should stop trying to paint 25 year old women as immature. Anyway, Beyonce has led a rather physically active career, which keeps her in shape. She has aged well, but you can still see a difference in her face.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:32 PM
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It's fairer to say that men want to date 25 year old Beyonce over the 35 year old her. Can we both agree there? If the average woman looked like mama bear, I'd imagine a large number of men would opt out of dating altogether similar to how women are choosing to be single due to the poor quality of men available to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:08 PM
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Sure, I agree with your and the OPs overall message that an average woman will have more success relative to the average man. And an attractive older woman will have more and better options than an average woman her age. Still, the relative attractiveness of a woman decreases over time. I think we all can agree that beauty fades. The average 35 year old woman is less desirable than the average 25 year old woman. The OKCupid study showed that. It's safe to assume that a given woman tends to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:49 PM
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Sure, men are fatter too. I included that point elsewhere. My point isn't that young women should date old unattractive men. However, women should try to lock down their most attractive option when they're at their most attractive selves. Otherwise, as women get older, those "old, balding, unattractive" men will be their main options as they get older, should they still be single and looking. On top of that, older women might be disappointed when attractive men discount them due to gravity and F…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:38 PM
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My point remains, though. That fat 40 year old claims adjuster brings more to the table from a marriage/family standpoint. Even if she was a physically attractive 40 year old (which is rarer compared to younger women), she won't be bringing more to the table than her male equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:51 PM
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The wall doesn't mean that women become undatable at 30+. It just means that they will have a more difficult time finding relationships compared to when they were younger. It's that point in time where the attractive men start considering younger women for relationships, leaving older women with fewer and less attractive options for commitment/marriage. You alluded to it yourself. A man who puts himself in the top 10-20% of all men has his options open. And since men are the gatekeepers of relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:08 PM
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How many women work hard to protect their beauty, though? With FA/HAES comforting women with the idea that they "are beautiful just the way they are", more women are choosing to be fat. In the US, 40-60% of women are overweight or obese. I imagine that the older the woman is, the more likely she's overweight. Men are overweight, too, but they at least offer more to a relationship as they get older. The things that women bring to a relationship don't make up for the loss of beauty, decrease in fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:46 PM
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I've seen that video before. Apparently she had some medical issue that caused her to lose her teeth. Rather unfortunate. Still, it's crazy how much of a difference dentures + makeup can have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:12 AM
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It's one thing to settle with someone. That is, you both have compatible views on life and want to build something together. You build upon each others' strengths and overlook their (non deal-breaker) flaws. Personally, I think that's what people should strive for in long-term relationships. It's entirely different when someone settles for you. Where they have an ideal mate in mind, but they choose you because they cannot date their ideal mate. In this scenario, the partner who settled would fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:19 AM
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The difference is, that male 6 will still look like a male 6 in the morning. Whereas, a female (+ makeup) 8 will look like her regular 5 self in the morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 02:36 AM
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I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the single mother. I'll preface that it depends on her circumstances pre and post single motherhood. There are plenty of documented cases where a woman got pregnant from some rapper or other high-end star/executive and got more money than she otherwise would have gotten on her own. I've even seen tiktoks of women bragging about getting pregnant from different men because they get more money that way. If your response was that being a single mother is tougher th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 12:41 AM
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Not necessarily. You can get pregnant from a rich wrong man and end up as a net positive when you get alimony + child support from him. In any case, women in general are aiming for their equals, not some mythological HVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 12:07 AM
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I wouldn't say all women do this but a good number do. I don't really blame them, per se. We all want to end up with a partner that makes us feel like we "won" in a sense. But if you think you're a ten (or worse you "feel" like a ten), then you're going to overlook a lot of qualified candidates and end up empty handed and/or used.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:22 PM
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I noticed that FDSers allow themselves to win even when their strategy fails them. If they get their "HVM": win. If they don't, well it's better to be single. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:45 PM
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It's more so that women don't know where they rank in terms of attractiveness. They all think they're 2-4 points higher on the attractiveness scale. It doesn't help that they get sex/situationships with men who are more attractive than those that would commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:30 PM
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We both agreed it'd be good to just meet women, even just as friends No, it would not be good to meet women to immediately get put into the friendzone. At best he's going to be those women's rich backup plan when they are 40+. ​ Let's say you make six figures, semi-prestigious job by the time you're 35...but little experience with girls. What would you do? It'd be good for him to invest in a personal trainer + nutritionist and get in shape before putting himself out there. Wearing expensive clot…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 08:23 PM
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Women really need to take a look at the kind of man that they want. From there, women should ask themselves whether that guy would desire her the same way. Since women can only reasonably select from their available options, they need to make themselves as desirable as possible, opening up their dating pool to more desirable men in the process, and THEN vetting those for romantic compatibility. She'll have to do this earlier in her life if she intends on getting married and/or having a family. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 07:10 PM
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There's a big difference between leading with your resources and having more resources, which will naturally attract more women. Women would love to be with a guy who CAN splurge on her and take her on lavish trips. Versus a guy who spends all his discretionary money trying to make her happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 02:54 PM
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That's not a good test in today's world. Most modern women would drop a man in a heartbeat if he lost his resources/status. Alpha or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 02:50 PM
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For sure. I'm just giving a potential reason why the lesser earning partner might put slightly more effort towards household duties because they know doing so puts less stress on the higher earner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:19 PM
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The lesser earning partner's time and labor is valued, but it is not equal. Because the lesser earning person can lose their job and the family can still stay afloat. The same can't be said if the higher earner loses his/her job. This doesn't account for partners living under only the lower earner's pay, of course. However, you have to agree that the stress would be higher if the higher earner lost their job.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 07:53 PM
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The times I’ve brought this up, the usual retort is that again it’s women’s hypergamy that’s at fault because it caused many men to have date below them in value/looks which is why they are unhappy. Is it really a surprise? Think about it. Think about a man who spends his 20s and maybe early 30s making himself into a marriageable man. Since a young age he always wanted a beautiful, loving wife who appreciates/respects him and is loyal to him. He likely did not spend any time "having fun" the way…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:09 PM
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AWALT doesn't mean every single woman on earth is the same. They're not robots. AWALT is more of a phrase that you use to remind yourself. Women are not evil but they still have the capability to be evil and as such, men have to not assume the woman they're with is this "sweet, perfect, innocent" angel. That's the kind of mindset that gets men in trouble. With modern society giving the average woman enough to sustain herself, it takes a higher-than-average man for her to give up the things she e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 01:51 PM
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I believe that going into the dating world with an idealistic mindset will lead to more frustrations than not. It's better to understand the world as it is and not believe it is how you'd like it to be. Personally, I think men should be with women who they get along with but also desires him. As far as the the 80%, ultimately, they should build their own lives up such that if they wanted to add a partner to their life, women would want to join. Unfortunately, I don't think women are open to buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:53 PM
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I'd say I'm top 10% but that doesn't matter. Even back in college when I was barely average, I could have benefitted from RP knowledge. I'd still like to know what's extremely bad about improving yourself (with consideration of what the opposite sex finds attractive) in order to have better success in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:28 PM
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True dat. Dr pepper is the bomb, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:25 PM
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What is extremely bad to you, if you don't mind me asking? With consideration of what women consider attractive in a man, I've become a much better version of myself. More in shape, more successful, more outgoing/fun, more adventurous (including in the bedroom), more manly. The women I've dated post RP have told me they feel safe, comfortable, and open with me. They in turn treat me better than prior exes. Pre-RP, they would have been turned off by my need to be super nice to them. I just see th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:03 PM
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Do you think being here and/or watching RP content has helped with your dating situation compared to the dating subs?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 09:53 PM
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Typically, women who argue against it use a few doomsday scenarios to make their case, which is disingenuous. They never consider that some men may actually care for the younger women they'd like to date. If a man dated a woman with tattoos, found out that she was crazy, and then told other men not to date women with tattoos because they're crazy, you'd consider that disingenuous. It's more likely that that man chose a bad woman and her having tattoos had little to do with the relationship faili…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 09:44 PM
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I disagree. If anything, understanding the opposite sex better will help with your relationships tremendously. I'm not sure why women here have a difficult time with that. After learning about the RP (after a harsh breakup where my ex wanted to open the relationship), I molded myself to be a better man (strong, successful, leader-qualities). I'm more likely now to be the AF vs the BB. My relationships now have vastly improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 08:29 PM
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Shaming is their attempt of convincing you to change your mind. They want you to feel like a bad person for having standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 01:48 PM
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It's like a man that is getting plenty of dates but he doesn't like that the only women who date him are fat. If you want a different outcome, you're going to have to do some self-reflection and then some work. Attractive people are not going to just fall on your lap.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 02:58 AM
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I don't personally resent it. You do you. As long as you're happy and aren't draining out society's resources, keep it up. The resentment some men have is akin to the resentment some women have when they see attractive men date much younger women. They see potential sex/relationships with those individuals. To then see a non-trivial number of those potential options disappear can be disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 10:59 PM
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That's fair, and good for you. You do not represent the average woman, though. Personally, although it takes a comminity to raise children, I think it's crappy to rely upon grandparents and other relatives to help you raise your children. Sure, grandparents want to be involved with their grandchildren but they don't want to be the designated babysitters. They have lives they want to live, too. I agree with your last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 09:28 PM
2

Women might outearn men, particularly early in life, but I don't think the average woman makes enough to support her and a family on her income alone. She'd have to make twice the median income, and less than 10% of women earn that. Plus, she couldn't afford to take time off to raise said family. Whether women like it or not, raising a successful family requires both parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 08:34 PM
2

OP and a lot of the women in the comments are vastly over-complicating the phrase. It's almost disingenuous. Women control access to sex and to a certain extent CASUAL RELATIONSHIPS. If a man wanted sex, but the woman did not want to for whatever reason, sex does not occur. She gets to set whatever qualifications for sex to occur, whether he has to be hot enough for a quicky or if he needs to be more than that for a FWB situation or if he needs to be her boyfriend/husband before being intimate. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 10:05 PM
1

A career implies more than just a job. And they are usually higher paying than just a job. You might want to come up with stronger arguments instead of resorting to name calling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 04:47 PM
3

I've seen firsthand women say that they couldn't respect a man who makes less than they do. It's not unreasonable to assume that some women may grow to resent their man over time. And the sex frequency and enthusiasm will likely drop as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 09:33 PM
1

If she makes more than him, she might see him as less of a man and/or take advantage of her position of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 08:58 PM
1

The wife might be a total ballbuster who gives her husband mediocre sex at best and so he chooses to go where he is desired/wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 08:11 PM
1

I paid for a subscription like ten years ago. Fell for the trap emails they sent. "Ooooh, someone sent you a message. Buy a subscrption to find out!" only to find out that it was a bot. I made the best of it, though. Found out that very few attractive women use dating sites. After I dated all five of them (lol), I never paid for a sub again.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/11/21 03:49 PM
3

You want the man who is bringing a high-income job to the table to then sacrifice that job to become a stay-at-home-dad? Wouldn't that make him by default a deadbeat? Your argument makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:48 PM
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Communities (starting from the nuclear family and outward) are stronger together. You can't build generational wealth as a single parent. I would guess many of those upper-middle and upper class professionals came from good, intact families. And their parents likely set them up to succeed in the future. As such, the idea of setting up your lineage for success is instilled at a younger age. They think long-term when selecting a mate. Finding a good partner and sticking with them shows your peers …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:44 PM
4

Shout out to the gorditas. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 05:13 AM
2

Some things make sense: 1, 6 & 7) Of course you should make sure that the men you want act in a manner that is conducive to a longer-term relationship. Though I must say that some people don't really know how bad their hygiene is. I once had to tell a woman that and she was surprised. It was one thing in particular, but I won't go into detail since it's besides the point. Some things invite questions: 3) I never understood why pickmeisha is a negative term. Don't you want to be picked? Some thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:53 PM
1

It makes sense, what you wrote. You need some experience to get into the higher career paths (longer term success with attractive partners). Once you have that experience + credentials, many more opportunities open up for you. How you get that experience might be working some entry level jobs and/or earning some credentials (e.g., degrees / RP knowledge) + putting yourself in the right scenarios. You might hate those entry level jobs, but no Fortune 500 company will consider you if you have litt…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 09:21 PM
2

Isn't there a famous porn star who is now a parent and wants all of her content deleted from the internet? I hope that child gets home schooled because he/she will be bullied to hell in the public school system. I suspect the same will happen to children whose mothers had an OnlyFans or thotted it up on Tiktok. All it takes is for one student to stumble onto it and the entire school will know the next day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 03:57 PM
24

Given that you have to pay for a Match subscription to actually use the site, they better have some decent filtering options.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/11/21 05:12 AM
5

In theory, you could wait until marriage before having sex/doing girlfriend duties. That way his investment has to be high and the pain of divorcing would be high as well. That worked back in the early to mid-1900s. In practice, given the modern open sexual marketplace, with a plethora of dating options, keeping your partner / earning their lifelong commitment means that you need to be that person's best option. At. All. Times. If he has multiple women that he's seeing casually, you'll have to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 11:43 PM
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All those kinds of comments do is make the receiver (and to a lesser extent, the speaker) feel better. My point is that those comments don't get her closer to her goal of finding her man. In fact, hearing those comments might have the opposite effect as she might assume she's perfect just the way she is and do nothing actionable. I've seen it happen plenty of times. Those women then get frustrated when they get older because their prince charming never showed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 07:07 AM
24

Personally, I wouldn't want to have those empty words of support. One of the top comments is along the lines of: "Don't worry. You'll find your handsome man!". What good does that do? She could be 300+ pounds and people are giving her a false sense of hope. And she'll sit on her butt and wait for this hypothetical handsome man to show up and give her the relationship she deserves. Sure, people are harsher to men, especially online. But even "you're not owed a gf" can at least motivate someone to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 06:33 AM
1

Know what you offer. If only it were that simple to figure out by just asking yourself. Most people assume they're enough for their hypothetical ideal partner and justify it by listing things that have little to no effect on attracting that partner. For example, some women assume that men on the same part of the socioeconomic ladder would be attracted to them by default. Similarly, some men assume that hotter women will desire them just because they're making more than average. If you really wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 12:41 AM
11

Are you a CGA fan?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/11/21 07:54 PM
1

I'm well past the red pill rage stage, I suppose. With all due respect, the notion that women are all harmless is what gets men into trouble in the first place. They end up getting burned when they assume the woman they're with is different from all the rest. It's the very reason why AWALT is a thing. Men have to get away from assuming that women are all harmless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 08:17 PM
1

It's not contradictory. I read what FDS users write about men, know they're not referring specifically to me, and move on. I'm not offended that some see AWALT as a negative. What I find offensive is the underlying "you're not allowed to think of women this way" comments in response. I'm allowed to approach life in whatever way benefits me the most. That my thought process and approach to life disadvantages some women in the dating market and insults some is not my concern. It's up to them to fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 07:40 PM
1

Why should men soften up a term that is used by men for men? So women don't get offended when they see it? All that would do is move the goalpost. Even ifthe term was changed to EWALT, you'd still have women arguing about men generalizing women. The complaining won't stop until the term is changed to NWALT (No Women Are Like That). Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 07:13 PM
1

Do I like it when FDS assumes I'm some immoral a-hole like the rest of the dudes they've dated? No. Do I care? Also, no. Someone's approach to dating has no bearing on me as an individual, so I don't let it stress me out. I might be offended hearing it but that's on me. The reason it doesn't make sense to change the acronym is that outside of PPD, it's not really told AT women. It's more for men to use as a general approach to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 06:31 PM
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What do you need a percentage for? Do PPD women get this bothered by being grouped in the AWALT category? Consider it more of an approach like this: "Women are not all like that; however, due to the likelihood of her being like that and the grave impact it would have on me if she were like that, it's safer to assume she is like that until she proves otherwise" Though, WANALTHDTTLOHBLTATGIIWHOMISWLTISTASILTUSPO doesn't roll off the tongue/fingers like AWALT does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 05:10 AM
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So what the hell happened recently? It's mainly our upbringing. I can't verify this, but I think some of this mentality stems from thinking the our mothers are sweet angels and then projecting that onto all women. Women are usually never painted in a bad light, whether it's by their friends or the media. So without any kind of check, this mentality can continue into adulthood for a lot of men. It isn't until we get frustrated with our dating attempts and/or get heartbroken that we take a step ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 04:18 AM
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I would say that it's a combination of A-B-C (though not sure I'd call it an incel theory, per se). I'll answer these in reverse order because there's more to point A, IMO. C) When it comes to online dating, women have an abundance of options (they're outnumbered by 5+ to 1), so it makes sense that they'd want to choose the best one of the bunch if she wanted to casually sleep with him and/or form a LTR with him. If men had the option of dating women who were less conventionally attractive to ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 03:35 AM
0

Do doctors need to have "experience with reproduction" to know basic biological facts? Nobody said anything about a man in his thirties who wants kids should marry an older woman in her 40s, neat strawman. The context of this comment thread was about men and women's reproductive capabilities with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 04:17 PM
2

From this peer-reviewed article: Most significantly, your fertility drops sharply after the age of 35. At age 37, you can expect to have just 25,000 eggs — 2.5% of your starting count. The risks of getting pregnant are also higher after age 35. By age 35, you are more likely to experience miscarriage, pregnancy complications, and genetic abnormalities of the fetus. That seems dramatic, yet factual, to me. And meanwhile otherwise healthy couples in their 20s can have serious fertility issues unre…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 03:10 PM
2

At that point, most men would either put her in the 'casually date' category or move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 07:59 PM
11

You'd also see a lot of women praising her. "you go girl! Live your life while you can!"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 06:29 AM
3

Pointing out an observable trend of women deflecting instead of arguing in good faith isn't sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 06:25 AM
10

As an analogy You might have missed that part of the paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 06:15 AM
10

Congrats. The average age of women at marriage has gone from 24 in 1990 to 27.5 in 2017. Meaning, your marriage is more of an outlier. Not that women should rush into a marriage at a young age, but they shouldn't think their chances will go up as they get older. As an analogy, you can retire by winning the lotto, but wasting time and money on lotto tickets isn't a solid retirement plan. Same thing can be said with regards to getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 04:01 AM
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The responses made me chuckle. The truth can be difficult to hear, especially when broken down to simple terms. It's similar to how shorter men get disappointed to hear women preferring taller men. Men cannot make themselves taller. Women cannot make themselves younger. The difference, however, is that shorter men can still have success if they work on other things that women find attractive (e.g., be more successful/wealthier, have impeccable charisma, rock it in the bedroom, be athletic). Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:53 PM
1

"older men are not attractive". You're entitled to your opinion. Men can easily say that older women are not attractive. Is that a true case for all? Only a small number of older wo(men) are physically attractive. Is that better? Well, I see more complaints from older women than I do younger ones. Maybe if you're on the younger side you hear more complaints from younger women. Anyway, I think this debate is going in circles. Take it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 08:34 PM
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We both may have misread. I was specifically referring to the older, attractive men that can date younger women. Older women want those men to stay in age appropriate relationships. That's why they try to sabatoge those relationships. Otherwise, the men available to them are the "old, gross, ugly" ones, according to some of the other responses here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 08:19 PM
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I was referring to single women who want to find a man. Not single women who stay single and alone. As far as that study, there are likely many divorced people included. Women tend to gain when it comes to a divorce (e.g., child support, alimony), so it makes sense that they'll feel happier (especially if she freed herself from a guy who made her his domestic servant). Conversely, the men who are divorced likely have less money for himself so it makes sense that he'd be less happy. There is data…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:08 PM
1

You're entitled to your opinion, though I find it funny that your retort for "older men are perverts" is for women to date a younger man. Seems hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 01:56 PM
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I wouldn't say that those older women are jealous of younger women. However, I do think that those women are worried. Because the attractive men their age (the ones they want available to them) are the ones who can date younger and/or more attractive women. Women would prefer all of their better options remain in their age range. When it comes to attracting men (particularly for commitment), an older woman doesn't have much to offer a tall/handsome/successful man compared to her younger competit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 04:17 AM
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Women are hypergamous by nature, but at some point they realize they have to cash in their chips while they're ahead. Otherwise, they might lose big. Additionally, some women try not to gamble with their future in that regard. If they want to have children, they can't continue trying to monkey branch into their 40s. They'll have to stop somewhere in their 30s at the latest. Otherwise, the window of opportunity for having children and/or having a father to her child closes. Of course, she can try…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 02:25 AM
1

In my opinion, a 4 can move up to at most a 7 realistically. However, it's possible that the transformation makes that move seem more significant (i.e., thinking that she moved up to a 9).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 09:54 PM
0

Still, a lot of women don't really reflect on the things you listed until pretty late in the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 03:54 AM
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Respectfully, I do not think a 4 can become a 9 or 10 without significant investment/effort. It takes surgery, weight loss/ increase in fitness, and an uptick in personality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 03:53 AM
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Nope. Those are different things. Makeup is temporary. Killer bods / great hairs are more permanent. Your analogy would fit better if all those men did was dress better (which arguably could move a man's rating up a notch or two). However, once he undresses, you might not rate him as highly. The same happens when you remove a woman's makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 01:50 AM
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Don't take this the wrong way. I'm almost shocked that someone so young can say something so wise. If more women followed this advice, they wouldn't run into the problems many face.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 12:49 AM
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Most people do not find fat people attractive. Even fat people want to date fit/in-shape people. I don't fault them for that. We all like what we like. The fact that 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the US population are overweight or obese means that there are fewer attractive people to choose from. So, yes, it makes it more difficult to date when you have to shrink your pool by more than half. If you fall on the fat side, you're likely also discounted by a good number of fat and healthy-weight people. If e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 12:44 AM
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Are we talking IG models? It's possible that those supermodels were actual 6s and just used makeup to make themselves hotter. I've seen some objectively unattractive women (let's say 3/10) move up to a 6 or 7 with makeup alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 12:20 AM
3

You live up to your username. Haha. There's no one-size-fits-all solution, unfortunately. And some of it depends on your personality, things you like, and availability/quality of the men you want to date. If you live in a small town, for example, you might be limited. Places still being restricted due to the pandemic might also hinder you. It's a numbers game when it comes to finding people to date. The more people you interact with, the more chances you have at finding someone worthwhile. It go…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 12:09 AM
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When you get older, you might change your mind about finding people to date at work. The problem with dating coworkers is that if things go sour, you've opened yourself to a hostile work environment. Your ex might trash talk you behind your back, which may hamper your career progression. Plus, you might bump into them often, which may make it difficult to get over them. Overall, it's added drama compared to dating someone outside of work. My two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 06:17 PM
10

Most colleges are reserving full-ride scholarships to women who apply for STEM degrees.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/11/21 06:53 PM
6

He slipped, fell, and landed in her vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 02:46 AM
3

Could it be that a growing number of fat women / single mothers are searching "are fat women / single mothers still dateable/desirable?" on google which results in an upward trend? Those who benefit from hot topics (e.g., click-bait journalists) then write articles pandering to them. Perhaps there are a number of men who bully less desired women to make themselves feel good about themselves. That's a pretty shitty thing to do. However, men writing "I'm not interested in fat women" on their datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 02:33 AM
1

Not sure if they'll just stay in min wage jobs. However, I do think we're seeing a growing trend of men being more selfish with their money/resources. You can see that in the decline of marriages overall. A lot of men are thinking, "should I take in a partner who makes less than me, has a significant amount of debt, and pushes for more luxuries out of me? Or should I spend my hard-earned money on myself and live my best life?" It's very similar to the idea that women are strong and independent a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 06:09 PM
3

Your comment shows that you don't have any counter argument and are deferring to childish insults. You'll never win an argument that way. If you have an actual retort, let me know. Otherwise, have a good weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 10:36 PM
3

I never said it was womenkind's responsibility. I said the underlying motivation behind what men do is to get sex/spread his seed/have children. It's biologically driven by thousands of years of evolution. That cannot be undone socially in a short amount of time, relatively speaking. In the past, men had to provide and protect in order to get sex. Not too long ago, men also had to commit to a woman to get sex. Doing those things strengthened communities by the result of strong family ties. Today…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 07:18 PM
3

It's not about people being worthwhile. It's about what our monkey brains are trying to get us to do. Men are biologically programmed to spend time and energy doing enough (e.g., building resources, acquiring social status) to sleep with a woman with the goal of impregnating her. If the bar to sleep with a woman is higher, men would have to work harder to get that outcome. As such, men would be more productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 03:23 AM
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The problem is that a lot of men themselves are not good fathers. Because they can not provide for their children. If those men cannot provide for their children, why are women sleeping with them? Therein lies the problem. Single mens average income is less than single women’s average income. That may be true early in life (e.g., right out of college) for certain professions. Men outearn women in the workforce above age 40 or so. Based on this link.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 01:54 AM
2

The excessive child support demanded by the courts leaves little for the man for himself, especially because the amount is based on how much income he makes. He'll barely have enough to afford a cheap apartment in a sketchy side of town. I can see how being buried in debt under overwhelming obligations can lead one to choose professions that are cash only.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 01:46 AM
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Young women are having more casual sex compared to their male counterparts. The sexless rate is also higher in men than it is in women. If anyone is giving out their goods willy nilly, it's women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 09:09 PM
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Most men are making on average 50k a year. It’s hard to raise even a family of 3 in most western nations with this salary. According to this link (which uses US census bureau data): For Female Households with no spouse present 13% make more than $100k. The Mean Household Income for Female Households with no spouse present is $55,190. The Median Household income for female households is $40,233. I'd argue that it's hard to raise a family of 2 with only one income, especially in higher cost-of-liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 04:10 PM
1

Would I abandon my wife of 20 years? No. Would I talk to her about my needs and try to work something out? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 03:28 PM
1

Because, why not? When you make $20k+ a month, you can afford to spend $1k on a beautiful, high-end escort and have all the kinky sex that your wife doesn't do. I forget where I picked up on this, but to rich/wealthy people, time is money. So if your hourly rate is in the hundreds, spending hours upon hours meeting women and courting them for sex is a waste of time (and money). Rich people would rather spend $1k up front to scratch an itch and get it out of the way. That way they can focus on bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 03:26 PM
1

Do men not deserve happy and healthy sex lives the same as women? If a man couldn't function anymore and his wife wanted a healthy sex life, shouldn't she do something to have her needs met? I agree that leaving his wife is shitty, and he should leave her alone if sex is painful for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 02:58 PM
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Marriage is pretty much done for in the West. Even committed monogamous relationships are going down the toilet due to the rise of social media / dating apps. My projection is that we'll see more open relationships where the woman has a safe beta at home and then has some fun with Chad(s) on the side. And in ten years or so, that will be socially accepted. In the past few years, there has been a rise in female students going the sugar baby route due to increasing tuition costs. Both trends will …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 02:27 PM
3

You are correct. There may be exceptions, of course, but the point of TRP is to understand the world and use that knowledge to better your life. If 75% of women like a certain (mutable) trait in a man, your odds of attracting more women goes up if you can get that trait. And if you attract more women, you have better odds at attracting the one you want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 04:12 AM
1

You see more red-pill leaning material on Youtube/Instagram/Tiktok nowadays. For example, there are many videos showing how women behave towards the "toxic" men. Surprisingly, women are the ones pointing this out!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 03:39 AM
1

Would you rather have 10 chances at love with 8 of them being unattractive? Or would you rather have 1000 chances at love and 800 of them are good enough? It doesn't have to be complicated. The more you can mold yourself into a desirable partner, the better the odds at attracting someone you want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 03:36 AM
2

Well, I didn't see a time frame for the weight fluctuation, so I assumed it was a short amount of time and no effort was made to correct it. Usually weight only goes up in long-term/committed relationships. I get that sometimes life happens, which can get in the way of taking care of oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 12:23 AM
8

I agree. I've encountered many women who are living paycheck to paycheck. Very few of them know how to save/invest for their future.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/10/21 05:32 PM
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It gives the forever bachelor dudes more places to stick their dicks into. lol These women don't know that "never settling" means they're going to be pumped and dumped until their 50s. And then, hopefully their "kick-ass" job paid her enough to invest in a good retirement home.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/10/21 04:50 AM
2

Is it reasonable to want your partner to at least try to maintain their attractive traits if you're investing for the long haul? If your partner started getting severe mood swings and/or lost their job, you'd also weigh whether it's wise to stay just because marriage is "until you die."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 03:02 AM
1

Even in modern times, men do the majority of the work necessary to make downstream tasks easier. Which gender does the majority of the field work picking the food and operating/maintaining the heavy-duty machinery? Which gender drives the trucks that get food from point A to point B? Your life would not be as comfortable if it wasn't for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 03:57 AM
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IME, men are more likely to develop oneitis and perform grand gestures to gain her love and/or "win her back". With the abundance of options for women on dating apps and social media, they are less likely to care when a guy loses interest. Men typically have less options available, so they tend to put in more work to keep the ones they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 03:07 AM
1

I would think that hiring escorts would be more normalized before VR porn became a substitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 02:30 AM
8

There's an insinuation that a less attractive partner is automatically better for you. As if an ugly woman cannot be as mean as a beautiful one. lol People can benefit from being told where they lie in the SMV so that they can shoot their shot appropriately. And if they aren't satisfied with the type of partner they can reasonably attract, then they can decide to stay single. Too many people nowadays have this hope mindset in terms of finding a partner later in life. The options only get smaller…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 03:13 PM
1

The problem is that women tend to want personality traits/characteristics that lie on both extremes. For example, a tall, strong, leader type of man who pedestalizes his woman. Or a rich (re: "ambitious") man who spends all his spare time with her. Those kind of men do not exist in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 03:03 PM
1

There's a reason why the term "damsel in distress" is a thing. You can be a good hearted human being and still be more sympathetic towards one sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 02:56 PM
8

Typically, boys are raised to protect the girls. Why do you think so many men rush to the aid of a crying woman yet the same doesn't happen when a man is out crying? In the US, there was (and possibly still is) a strong media campaign to "believe all women." That kind of message perpetuates into the mindset of many men and boys that women are infallible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 05:17 PM
1

Think of it this way: there are plenty of animals that may treat humans well. However, even the cute ones can do some damage. If you got hurt enough times, you'd learn not to assume they are all going to treat you well. And as humans, we not only learn from our own personal experiences, but also from others. So a lot of the men who are missing arms and have nasty scratches (analogous to getting fleeced in divorce by women) are saying, "be very careful with those leopards over there!"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:53 PM
5

Right. There's a big difference between being naively optimistic and having a realistic approach of how a potential relationship can go. After getting burned many times assuming that "all women are wonderful", I realized something was off with my thinking. So after adopting the red pill and seeing things for what they are and not what I'd like them to be, my relationships have vastly improved for both myself and the women I date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:39 PM
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This! While it's not a big majority, you have to factor that women are in less lucrative careers and will be unable to comfortably pay that off in a reasonable amount of time. I know a few 40+ women who are working ~$40k/year jobs and have more than $100k worth of student loan debt! The ones I spoke with know that they'd have to marry a rich doctor, but unfortunately, those options are non-existent at this stage of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 02:37 AM
5

On top of what you said, nine times out of ten, the relationship guy gets a less attractive version of his partner. The average 30 year old woman is much heavier than the average 20 year old. Yet, coincidentally, that's the time that she's ready to settle down...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:33 PM
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Men spend more time on Reddit and video games Where do you get that idea from? There are plenty of entertainment avenues that women have available today. Yet, they are having more sex compared to men their age. Is it that difficult to believe that women are having casual sex with a smaller number of (re: attractive) men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 12:58 AM
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I agree with what you said. The topic is about being considered husband material vs being the guy that she'd bend over backwards for (sometimes literally lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 01:05 PM
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It does create a big demand for those 9, though. Thus, where women tend to aim for the small % of men actually making at least six figures and ending up highlighted here.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/09/21 03:08 AM
2

But she thinks she's cute! LMAO!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/09/21 03:02 AM
3

What's your definition of a high-quality partner? Someone who sticks with you because you earn enough to give HER the quality of life she FEELS she deserves?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 02:52 AM
3

When you're above 25 or so, you're not giving your most fun, limber self to your long term man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 12:07 PM
6

So you agree that men won't want to commit to unattractive/fat women. You can't change what you're attractive to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:54 AM
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I'm not missing the point. I'm looking at it from the point of view of the guy who is potentially marrying a woman who was a 304 in her youth. Would I be getting that fun/crazy/enthusiastic sex that she gave to Chad/Tyrone?? Or am I more likely to get the vanilla/boring sex when she feels like it? If she's "not like that kind of woman" anymore, then I know that she did some crazy shit in her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:51 AM
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They are being disingenuous with the term "wall" . Above a certain age, women have to compete with younger women, which makes the dating game much more difficult when women are going for the same caliber of men. Women can't attract the upper tier of men as she ages. Attractive men her age start to aim for women 5 to 10+ years younger. Women feel they "need to settle" where the reality is that women have to set their expectations closer to reality. Attractive men (the upper 10% of income) will be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:44 AM
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Again, that seems like you put the man in a loser situation. He has to pay with commitment (which is expensive) for vanilla sex whereas hotter guys got the fun sex for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:31 AM
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The implication is that you are giving your husband less enthusiastic sex than you would the fuckboi. No man wants to be in that situation. If I'm getting into a long term relationship with a woman, I want her to give me her best sexual performance. I don't want to know that she took multiple facials from Chad whereas she only does missionary with me. To me, that's a loser situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:22 AM
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Replace sex with "giving you a fun/comfortable lifestyle." Imagine if men didn't move you into their home until years after you started dating. Imagine if men didn't take you on lavish dates (e.g., traveling to fun destinations) until after a few months. imagine you knew that he moved younger/hotter women into his house only after a few dates or if he took younger/hotter women on lavish trips within the first month. You'd wonder if this man really desired you or if he was only giving you the bar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:10 AM
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There's only so high an individual can go, though. Not everyone can get an in-demand education and start up a business and make mid six figures or more. It's very difficult. Nothing wrong with trying, of course. However, worst case scenario is that they try and they end up much older and failed to move up high enough on the social ladder. A that point, they'd need a partner to rely on and there would be far fewer worthy prospects for a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 02:38 AM
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I don't think ANY woman uses the obese option on dating apps. Back when I was on OLD, every woman more than a few pounds overweight would use voluptuous, even though other appropriate options were available. I think there's a big push currently to remove fat as an option across the board. Not sure that's really going to help anyone.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/21 10:49 PM
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What would really be the cherry on top for that calculator? To log how many women are vying for that nth percentile of man. It might be humbling for some of these women to know that they are competing with 1 million+ other women looking for the exact man. And that man has PLENTY of women to choose from, if he even wanted to settle down with just one. If I had the programming skills to do so, I'd do it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/09/21 01:36 PM
3

Let me guess, since she's a doctor, she only deserves a Dr. Chad.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/08/21 12:55 AM
11

It's like an escort service, but in reverse. They should be paying you!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/08/21 12:51 AM
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I like to call a group of Karens a privilege.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/08/21 12:13 AM
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Your experience will likely depend on geography. The last time I used OLD, it was like finding a needle in a haystack. About 90% of the women had something offputting about them (e.g., single mother, obese, broke, childish/entitled, heavily tattooed). After filtering them out, OLD became a bit of a barren wasteland. Your experience will likely be the opposite. You'll get swamped with likes/messages from weirdos. My current gf told me of some "colorful" guys she met before her and I met.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 10:46 PM
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Oddly, there's no mention of a family in her bio...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 03:42 PM
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As long as you find someone before your looks have faded, you're in a better position. We all know that looks fade and we accept it. Whether women will find comfort with the idea, men like attractive women and women are at their most attractive selves from puberty to about 30 or so. Of course, women can prolong their attractive years with the right diet and lifestyle choices. So if a man is so concerned with daring a woman because she’s in her twenties and is attractive - what’s gonna happen whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 01:59 AM
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And how many times have you heard from much older people who married young and stayed for 30+ years? Are those scenarios not equally as valid as your doomsday ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 01:45 AM
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I'm laughing my ass off at the imagery. In all seriousness, though, if I were the OP, I wouldn't touch that woman with a 10ft pole. It's likely the baby daddy gave her more than a child, you know what I'm sayin'?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 01:12 AM
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Women don't need men to live. They do need them to survive, though. What happens when an intruder enters your home late at night? By the time you call the emergency line, you will already be in trouble. Do you know how to defend yourself? Could you even defend yourself against a 250+ lb man? Also, what happens when inflation hits and the price of everything goes up 3x or more? We're already seeing houses and consumer goods increase in price over the last year. Do you have a secure, well-paying j…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:16 PM
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Women complain about men needing Viagra to perform in the bedroom, but never mention that not only did they gain quite a bit of weight, but they also developed demanding/combative attitudes. Of course, men are going to go soft dealing with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:30 AM
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Yeah, it's the same with people who dislike those who are born into wealth. Even if you became a millionaire yourself, you'd be envious of the trust fund babies who had an easier life than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:22 AM
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Most women don't bring a high-income to the table in a relationship. Plus, it usually falls on the man to out-earn his partner and to take care of all the "man-shit" in the house (e.g., mechanical issues in the house/cars).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:19 AM
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Close. They call them Christmas cakes on New Years. Meaning, they are pretty stale by then.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/21 01:58 AM
1

I never got a smoke and mirrors vibe from him. Some things he says make sense and they're backed by data and statistics. When it comes to fashion, we all have our personal styles. Me, I hate wearing rings, but I'll rock a nice watch. You're certainly welcome to your opinion, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 12:47 AM
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I like to think of it as a live version of r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen. lol. Some women are simply delusional and cannot fathom that their standards are higher than what they can hope to achieve. Even worse is that many think they DESERVE love and they DESERVE to be married. Many are surprised to hear that they need to EARN a man's commitment for that to happen. He says a lot of things that make common sense. Like, Women do not know how to be wives to the men they want (or how to be wives, period) W…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 12:42 AM
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He definitely needs a production team at this point. He tries to do everything himself and as a viewer, it's frustrating having either him or his callers struggle with the audio.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 12:11 AM
5

I didn't knew any of this yet I got an impression of a man who is just "smoke and mirrors". A guy which invests so heavily into his image is quite obviously compensating. Do you not think that looks matter? If you are in the corporate world, first impressions make a huge difference in your success. He knows this and a lot of other high-earning/high-value men know this. ​ If he was a truly high value men would he talk so much about hypergamous women? He wouldn't had those kind of negative experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 12:08 AM
1

I would agree that most men in their 20s go for the hottest women they can find. Once you have sex with enough hot women, you realize that the experience isn't much different than sleeping with an average looking woman. At that point, you'll look for other traits aside from physical attractiveness. That being said, there is still a lower limit to how low a man is willing to go. A man who has slept with and/or dated 7s,8s,9s in his 20s will not then date an obese woman in his 30s, no matter how p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 02:51 PM
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Those are the men that WOMEN are seeking. He's not telling women to go for those men. The women on his show call to try to find/get one of those HVM. He usually advocates average-looking women to be happy with average-earning men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 02:34 PM
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True, there are a few gems who have it going on at that age. I wouldn't turn down Liz Hurley myself, even though she's twenty years older.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/07/21 02:13 PM
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You know how there is a "half your age plus 7" rule for men dating younger women? There really should be an equivalent for women who are on the older side to give them a better estimate of their options. I doubt any self-respecting, 48 year old, "mature" man would date a 54 year old woman. Not that women can't date younger. I used to be open to seriously dating women up to 7 years older than me when I was in my 20s. Now that I'm in my mid-30s, women in their 40s are a non-starter. Edit: LMAO, so…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/07/21 01:43 PM
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Given she responded "yes lol" first, I wonder how long it took for her to realize she had been insulted.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/07/21 08:42 PM
5

There needs to be a variation of Rock-Paper-Scissors, but with The Wall and Table. Actually, scissors can still work, assuming it implies lesbianism. lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/07/21 12:58 AM
0

The keyword there is addiction. People who are addicted (add to that lonely/desperate) are more prone to being taken advantage of. Someone who watches 20 videos a day will likely buy into the system (e.g., subscriptions, personal videos, other extras).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 09:50 AM
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That's a disingenuous leap there. Actors are paid to act, not to be masturbatory material. The sex scenes are meant to intensify the relationship between characters. ​ So let me get the second part straight: the drug addict is the porn watcher, and the supplier is porn Creators? So you’re saying that people who watch porn deserve sympathy? Do you not understand metaphors? You were trying to lump porn watchers with porn creators. I made the point that they are different scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 09:46 AM
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Someone who makes themselves into a sex object lacks self-respect. You're essentially lowering yourself into a sex object made for strangers to get off on. It might be an expression, but it's not something to be proud of. ​ How is that any different than watching a porn or reading an erotic story? Apples and oranges. It's one thing for those who consume the product. It's another scenario entirely for those who make said product. You have differing opinions on drug addicts versus drug suppliers, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 08:46 PM
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It's called a lack of dignity and self-respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 08:03 PM
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I was surprised to actually see some things that she brings to the table. However, that optimism faded quickly with all the other nonsense she listed.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/07/21 07:58 PM
1

You want men to not consider you as a ONS yet you post pics of yourself in lingerie and playfully sucking on a lollipop in your underwear?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/07/21 10:20 PM
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It may not be that John Doe finds those obese women attractive. If he ever wants a chance at sex/partnering with someone, he's forced to consider those obese women because he cannot attract women who are on the thin/fit side.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 11:32 AM
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Now that my boobs turned into pancakes Pure flapjacks from there on out.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/07/21 12:37 AM
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Like coloradocaniac says, it's better to avoid dating sites altogether at this point. Too many women treat it like they're amazon shopping or are only looking to fight boredom/get validation. I lucked out in finding a no-BS kind of gal online last year, but if I were to date again, I'd only look offline. I appreciate your sentiment, btw. It's a bit relieving hearing from rational women.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/07/21 10:49 PM
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Unfortunately, on online dating profiles, men are forced to indirectly say what they want because some people can't handle that they're not everyone's cup of tea. So preferring thinner/fit women has to be written like "looking for someone to join me at the gym/hiking/biking/etc." Same thing with not wanting to date a single mother. "Looking to find someone with whom to start a family." The one that will likely get you flagged/banned is looking for a 5-10 year younger woman. However, with filters…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/07/21 12:01 AM
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Why does her face look so fake?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/07/21 11:41 PM
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Plenty of people have already commented that the “wall” is a revenge fantasy men have, which I already knew. Sure, there are men out there who take joy in the idea that the women who rejected them in their 20s are now 30+ and miserably single. You and I both know that women can have fruitful relationships above that age. However, just because some men are hyperbolic about it doesn't make it complete fantasy. It's not just a RP concept, by the way, it's biological. Younger (or younger-looking) wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 02:16 PM
3

Not all men were born RP'd. Personally, I have been that guy who tried to remain friends with a past girlfriend because I thought she'd turn around. And yeah, it hurt like hell when I found out she moved on soon after the breakup. After finding and adopting the RP, I'm more inclined to think like you. I let go of the idea of there being one perfect woman for me. Also, I realize women make their own decisions and there is little you can do to change their minds at that point. So it's best to resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 01:45 PM
2

Society has gotten to a point where people just want to feel good about everything, regardless of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 01:07 PM
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The problem a lot of women have is thinking that their options are always going to be as abundant and as great as they are when she's at her peak SMV. While looks aren't everything, they are a big influence in terms of attracting men. And women's looks do fade above 25 or so; however, the rate of decline varies on multiple factors (lifestyle, genetics, diet, etc). Additionally, if a man is looking for someone with whom to have his children, age will play a role as well. So if a woman who is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 01:04 PM
0

He is quite the roaster, though he only does that when callers start talking nonsense or if they disrespect him or average men. A lot of women who comment on his YouTube page mention that after listening to him, they start to understand their partners/men much better, which in turn has helped them develop better relationships. I'd say if you were going to watch his stuff, watch one or more of his full clips so you can get a feel for his overall message.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 11:36 PM
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Understanding what men like in women is the key to relationship success, IMO. The top things that most men look for in a woman are her beauty, her youth, and her femininity. You and your prospective partner will have to mesh together, of course, so having a well-rounded personality helps. Education and career in general are lower in priority. As long as you aren't dumb as dirt or in severe debt, a man will work with that. You shouldn't forgo your career in order to attract a man. At the same tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 11:25 PM
0

He's kind of the voice of the voiceless men at the moment. He says a lot of things that most men agree with but cannot vocalize due to fear of having their careers/lives derailed due to one or more angry people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 11:12 PM
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There was a time that I thought that dating a single mother wouldn't be too bad. I'm glad I found the Red Pill before I learned that lesson the hard way.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/21 05:09 PM
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I'd say 35 is more in line to where the man is established and mature enough to start a family.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/06/21 08:45 PM
0

To directly answer your post question: Above a certain age, women no longer have any leverage to attract a "good" man for commitment/relationships. She can still get sex, but most of the relationship-minded men she will attract are not up to her standards. The men are still hopeful because they (assuming they have their health/fitness/finances in order) are in the position to attract women whom they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 02:37 PM
2

Various studies have shown that men prefer to interact with things and women prefer to interact with people. Hence why there's a disproportionate amount of men in STEM fields and women in fields with heavy human interaction (social work, nursing, teaching). I'm all for better representation of women in STEM; however, I don't think you can condition women to enjoy those science fields. I organize some outreach programs for elementary and middle schools where minorities and girls are highly encour…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 05:19 PM
2

Even when you tell someone to have realistic expectations, they always twist your words to make it seem like you're telling them to settle.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/06/21 04:51 PM
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At least reduce the resolution or something, man. I almost lost my breakfast.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/06/21 04:42 PM
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Lol she couldn't afford to rent a satellite for another picture.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/06/21 04:25 PM
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I bet the responses to that last link were lovely. lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/06/21 04:06 PM
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Kevin Samuels talks about how single women keep women single. It's this very behavior that he's talking about. Hopefully those married women stop talking with her. Otherwise, little by little, she will be planting seeds of doubts on her married friends' minds and ruin THEIR marriages.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/06/21 01:08 AM
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Easier said than done. Many colleges and companies already do that. If any woman even shows a sliver of interest for a STEM field, they'll throw scholarships and other incentives her way. By and large, women prefer careers where their softer skills can be used. Unfortunately, those do not pay as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 12:48 AM
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The average woman doesn't earn enough money to retire comfortably. In fact, many single women are living paycheck to paycheck currently. I'm all for women choosing whatever path makes them the happiest, but the lack of foresight will cause a lot of women to be homeless later in age. It's a bit concerning from a societal standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 01:37 PM
1

Not subservient, cooperative. Supportive, trusting, loving, caring. You know, things that make for a more healthy relationship. But hey, if you make good money and can thrive on your own past 45, then more power to you. I'm sure you can have a fun, single life for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 12:18 AM
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No need to brag, sir. :P In the more rural areas of the States, women prefer to be in their feminine element, as well. At least that's what I notice. I'm guessing it's because there aren't too many career prospects for a woman outside of major cities.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/06/21 09:35 PM
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When men say “cooperative” they mean subservient women that won’t question them and allow them to do whatever. That's just like your opinion, man. But seriously, why assume worst case scenarios? Can you not see that there is some benefit with a woman being cooperative to her man and in turn being loved, protected, and provided for by said man?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 09:21 PM
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In Central American areas, women tend to be more submissive to their men by default. I'm guessing this woman wants to avoid having to prove herself by doing that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/06/21 09:13 PM
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Men can't control who women end up with. By and large, men with means will value a cooperative woman over a combative one. ​ Instead, we have a massive spike in popular OF girls and streamers. Not sure what this has to do with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 09:08 AM
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Men with means also love cooperative women. Pick-mes aren't necessarily all gullible. Not sure why you'd assume that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 09:03 AM
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You can be a pick-me who allows the right man to pick her. We can't assume that pick-mes are all doormats.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 09:01 AM
1

It's not a scam. It's a business. Those app developers want to make money. How do they do that? By keeping as many users on their platforms. The apps themselves work in that they'll show your profile to people and if there is mutual attraction, those people can try to work out a relationship. But for the most part, they do not have any secret formula to getting you that perfect match that you're hoping for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 01:53 AM
0

Pick-me's get picked. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 01:38 AM
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My guess is that through normal use, the algorithm shows your profile to fewer and fewer women over time. Either because more women are swiping left on him or because the app does it on purpose. So over time hardly any women are even seeing the guy's profile, much less swipe on it. So paying for those "boosts" or "profile highlights" puts your profile back in front of more eyes for a short bit of time, thus giving him a slightly better match possibility. Hopefully that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 12:01 AM
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It would only work if there was a mass exodus of all the attractive men (i.e., 7/10 and higher). Or if every man left OLD altogether. Since most women are only looking for the top X% of men, having only average men would "balance things out" Unfortunately, dating apps have been normalized and women like it that way. They'd rather be in control of which men can enter their personal sphere. That way they can avoid having weaker men hit on them in public. Also, you're never going to convince the 7+…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 01:09 PM
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Fake male profiles do not bring in any money the way real ones do, though. At the end of the day, those app developers make money by offering "carrots" that give men the impression that they will get noticed by more attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 12:59 PM
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I didn't think it could get worse, then I read past the first two lines.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/06/21 10:39 AM
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... but, assuming you are in decent shape, you have way more leverage towards women in your age group, because those women are looking for that comfort/security at that age. What that means is that you could choose from the more physically attractive women your age and slightly below. You may not have access to the prime 25-year old college woman, but you can get the in-shape 45 year old even if you aren't in the best shape yourself. It's this change in dynamics that women complain about. Once y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:39 PM
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But a reasonable single mother, who has clear boundaries with an X, and makes time for romance with her new man..... yea that would be cool with me. IMO, a single mother has to go above and beyond to compete with a childless woman. They should be eternally grateful of any man who takes her seriously. Any man with two brain cells knows that he's giving up a lot to date a woman with one or more children. Right off the bat her time will be taken up by her kid(s). And if things get serious, you are …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/06/21 12:03 PM
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The problem is that women have been P&D'd by men out of their league. Plus their girlfriends have given them the impression that they are all 10s (e.g., "You're a 10 to someone!") or they think that their education/careers make up for being less attractive. So they start to think that their level is men who are 8/9/10s. They end up disappointed with the men that are on their level, because they think they are settling. The reality is that they never should have thought those 8/9/10s were relatio…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/05/21 12:56 PM
1

Initially, I thought it was the same woman that said, "... and that's you!" when referring to the NiceGuys women want after they hit the wall.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/05/21 12:48 PM
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"I am the table!!!" - deluded woman
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/05/21 06:50 PM
8

I was just about to say the same thing. lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/05/21 06:47 PM
1

You laugh, but she finds it relieving/reassuring that I take care of the decision-making.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 04:08 PM
1

A pair of balls doesn't magically grant good leadership or decision making skills. Now of course there are other qualities that make for a quality leader in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 04:06 PM
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Did I need to add that I value her input in any and all decisions her and I make? Let's not assume that I'm controlling her, because that is certainly not the case. You may think my partner and I's relationship is gross but we're are happy and thriving together. You're free to choose whatever relationship dynamic suits you and makes you happy. All the best. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:28 PM
0

That she not know her worth. My partner knows how to be a good woman to a good man. She listens to discuss, not to argue. She doesn't challenge me to "test" me. She follows my leadership, but ultimately, we operate as a team. She knows her worth because she knows how much I value her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:14 PM
0

It sounds like you want to be coddled to avoid having your feelings hurt. The real world doesn't work that way, unfortunately. Unless you want to live as a hermit, you'll have to operate within a society. You might hear things that will make you uncomfortable. How you respond to those things is up to you and only you. It's not the world that needs to change to accommodate you. You have to do the accommodating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:05 PM
1

If it's going to be really fucking rude to 1 in 10 people, maybe don't say it? If that were the case, then we would be living in a world without advice. It might still be good advice even if it doesn't fit your extreme case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 06:41 PM
3

No one is saying that the victim needs to be punished for the crime that happened to them. However, the victim cannot just completely absolve themselves of all accountability. If I as a man was wearing a suit of money and walking down a dark alley at night and got robbed, you'd ask me why I was dumb enough to 1) walk out alone at night and 2) do so while displaying a lot of money. The robber would and should be punished severely. However, you can still ask why I thought it was a good idea to wal…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 05:58 PM
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By and large, women have their most "leverage" in the dating market when they are in their early 20s. That's when they are most attractive, more fertile (assuming she and her potential suitor want children), and more likely to cooperate with a man. All those traits are what men in general desire from a woman when it comes to long-term commitment. As a woman ages, her leverage decreases, so she has to compensate and/or adjust her expectations accordingly. Not saying that older women have no marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 05:44 PM
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It's just the algorithm picking up that more and more people are talking about them. A lot of the haters aren't familiar with the Barbara Streisand Effect.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/05/21 04:50 PM
3

Dude that talks too much.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/21 11:46 PM
3

Not only that, but she probably is on good terms with local judges and knows the best lawyers in town. Should a relationship with her end in divorce, you're going to be in for a bad time.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/05/21 11:55 PM
1

Personally, tattoos detract from a woman's raw, natural beauty. Undressing a woman with tats is like seeing a beautiful person smile and noticing they have multiple teeth that are oddly stained. You can't help but feel put off by that. On top of that, tattoos tend to be associated with trashy subcultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 08:50 PM
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Given how women initiate the majority of all divorces, and given how that information is becoming more and more public, men are going to be much more calculating when it comes to vetting a woman for marriage. As such, I think we'll see an increase in percentage of successful marriages, which is good. However, I do not think we'll see an increase in overall marriages as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:56 AM
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My Spidey-sense is telling me that her ex is someone who is way hotter than the guy in the picture and she wants potential suitors to know some minimum threshold of physical attractiveness to meet (a.k.a., "you must be hawter than this") . Obviously, she'd be dumb to put pics of her ex, so she uses the next best thing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/05/21 10:12 PM
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I'm only in my 30s, so I might not be as knowledgeable about the relationship dynamics of 50+ old folks. It might get easier to chill and enjoy each other's company at that age, but a committed, "stay with me through thick and thin" relationship might be more difficult to come by. Still, since sex is usually an afterthought at that age, men might be open to having company as long as she's interesting. ​ Another dynamic at play is that if the women gets entitled, the men just tell them to take wh…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/05/21 06:52 PM
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I can accept if they humbled themselves when going back on the dating market. However, at a glance, this woman seems to want a man who can take care of her. Men who are 55+ aren't looking for someone to take care of. Rather, they'd want someone who at the least can take care of him 50/50.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/05/21 05:24 PM
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Spinster Tinder. lol Keeping all the delusional women hooked on your app. Talk about capitalizing on the market that you created!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/05/21 03:44 PM
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Couple of reasons. Women who are dating in their 30s know that they don't have much time to waste if they want children and/or marriage. They want something serious and they want it NOW. More women struggle finding a long-term committed relationship in this age range. Whereas men who are entering their stride might have more success compared to their 20s, so they don't complain. Makes me curious if the datingoverforty sub is more balanced wrt genders. The DoT sub is moderated mostly by women and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 12:32 AM
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The difference is that hamstering is when a woman rationalizes things in order to protect her ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 11:48 PM
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I don't think polygamy will be the norm. Not only will marriage rates continue to decrease, I think committed relationships will also continue to decrease. Over time, there will be more women who choose to live independently, but still have sex with men on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 11:28 AM
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It's that Disney fantasy that many seem to have. Some guy with all these great qualities is going to fulfill every one of her criteria and have the best quality all: accepting her with all of her flaws and baggage.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 10:32 AM
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They treat online dating as if they are a company and are hiring for the position of Prince Charming. However, what they don't realize is that no one will even apply seriously if the pay is below average. Someone is filling these women's heads with the delusion that men are lucky to breathe the same air as them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/04/21 09:24 PM
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The question is, do you even want to see them? ...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 02:07 PM
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A 25 year old man would probably be too young for most 40+ women, unless it was purely a physical relationship. Also, why would a 45 year old woman care about a man's sperm quality if she has almost a 0% chance of getting pregnant? The reason why most women do not want to seriously date that much younger is because she would be expected to contribute more to the finances. Most women do not want to be sugar mamma's, whereas men would be more amenable to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:00 PM
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WAATGM highlights the ridiculousness of some single mothers who think they deserve better relationship outcomes while bringing another man's child into a relationship. Usually they have a slew of other red flags as well. There's a lot of teasing, but I wouldn't say that people there hate single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:49 PM
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You said this more eloquently than I was going to.
/r/askTRP14/04/21 01:46 PM
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We are living in a society where every woman regardless of attractiveness feels like she's a Princess/Queen and deserves the respective treatment. You can see a bit of shock on the faces of the women when they are told they are average at best. It must be quite a blow to the psyche that you're not going to get that HVM like you thought you would.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 01:38 AM
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I wouldn't say it's not given a lot of value. No one wants to end up with a leech for a romantic partner. Especially in today's age where a family cannot thrive on a single income. However, I doubt any man would want to get into a serious relationship with a woman he is not sexually attracted to. It doesn't matter if she has Bezos levels of money, if she doesn't meet the minimum level of attractiveness for a given man, then he won't want to pursue anything with her. So in that case, her income d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 01:12 AM
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My mother once told me to find someone who loves me more than I love her. I didn't pay much attention to that while in college and all, but looking back after taking the red pill, it makes more sense. And it's quite golden advice. What I take of that now is that a man should find a woman who desires him and only him. In other words, be her AF/AB. Otherwise, you put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:51 PM
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DoT tends to skew more women. As such, any comment that gives realistic advice is downvoted to oblivion or given the banhammer. I got banned for basically saying that a woman who wants to get married and have multiple children should try to lock down her guy by 32 in order to minimize high risk pregnancy territory. I understand that that is a hurtful thing to read, but covering your eyes and ears against data/reality is not going to help in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:18 PM
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Did he become boring because he devoted more of his spare time to you and had less time for his exciting/interesting hobbies?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:54 PM
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i'd contend that this is more likely to be true, but it's not impossible 30+ either. just more difficult and depends on your lifestyle choices. tons of young women nowadays are planning to not have kids (definitely not the majority), some more are on the fence. so it depends on your biological timeline as well. I should have phrased it differently. You're right, it's not impossible and it depends on what the woman may want. However, the odds of marriage/commitment are lower. And they get lowered…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 10:43 PM
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There's a reason why women use pics of themselves at 25 in their online dating profiles, even when they are 30 or above. If you ate right and exercised, you can look good up until 45. Most women are not encouraged to do so, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 08:48 PM
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I agree with that. I've known and dated some women who were into nutrition and fitness and looked great at 40. Women in general are not encouraged to exercise and eat right, though. Body positivity / fat acceptance tells women that they are beautiful as is, which causes differences in aesthetics to be more pronounced. Unfortunately, this hinders their ability to attract men successfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 08:42 PM
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You're young, so of course it makes more sense to date someone your age. When you're young, you can build a life together with whoever you choose to be with. I'll say that if you find a quality man when young and you both are a good fit, you're more likely to have a lasting relationship together regardless of where the two of you end up on the socioeconomic ladder. Women that wait until they are older (e.g., 30+) run into difficulties in dating men at their level. I think it's fair to say that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 08:38 PM
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Could be 1%. Could be 20%. It all varies depending on the woman. A woman who is a solid 10/10 might aim for a 1% man while the 5/10 woman might aim for a top 20% man. The point is that no matter where a woman ranks in terms of male desirability, she aims for upper rank men. Therefore, those top 20% men have more options available to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 06:33 PM
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A fine 30 year old woman will not be as attractive as a fine 25 year old woman, though. The wall isn't just that a woman's looks (which are very much valued by men) have started to decrease. It's also the compounding effect that younger and more attractive women are more available to the men. When a 30 year old woman is looking for a 30 year old man, that 30 year old man is aiming for the 25 year old. So that leaves fewer and lower quality options for the 30+ year old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 06:19 PM
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It's up to both parties to establish from the onset what is acceptable in their relationship. A man will say upfront that he reserves the right to exercise an option if it presents itself. If the woman does not want to accept that, then she has the right to not enter into a relationship with that man. And if it's the same show that I'm thinking of, it's not about the socially awkward man who happens to make six figures or more. It's about the man who is considered a "winner" in society/life. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 05:59 PM
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No one likes being treated poorly, especially people with any sense of self-worth. And it's not so much that these men treat women poorly. It's more so that they treat them like they're not special. When one goes through life being praised for merely existing, having someone check you makes you think, "why isn't my power working on him? There must be something special about this guy."
/r/askTRP02/04/21 02:21 PM
1

I'm looking at it from her perspective. I don't condone cheating myself, but I imagine cheating is something that someone would let slide if they can stay with an attractive and rich partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 12:13 AM
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Why would she dump him? He's probably the best guy she could ever get, aside from the infidelity. No other guy she meets will be close to that level. She'll have to significantly lower her physical and financial standards if she tried dating again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:46 PM
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I think it's more so that DJ talks a lot about how to identify bad men himself. He frequently mentioned how men who cheat are trash, how women need to be loved unconditionally, etc.. For him to cheat on his wife with multiple women is rather ironic. The RPers would say that Derrick was simply saying what women wanted to hear so that he could sell/promote his books.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:40 PM
1

I meant lent me her credit card. Enjoying life on her dime, in other words.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/03/21 11:18 AM
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If you're going to spend the rest of your life waking up next to someone, would you rather it be a hot 21 year old, or Oprah? The only reason I'd choose Oprah is if she lent me some of her millions to hire top-end escorts. lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/03/21 11:42 PM
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To be fair, this applies mostly to young and attractive women. Unattractive/fat/old women tend to not get as big a pussy pass as attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:28 PM
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If you and/or your partner are not lusting after the other, then you're in a more platonic relationship. Sure, over the years of a relationship, both partners' physical traits will fade and you'll have sex less often. However, there still needs to be an element of sexual desire in the initial phases of a successful relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:15 PM
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And yeah there certainly are silver foxes and panthers, but human emotion adds a lot of fuzziness to that, and a lot of people don't choose partners based on who can provide the best "lifestyle" within their SMV, and while it is a thing that happens it's pretty far from the norm. Try browsing women's online dating profiles if you have spare time. You'd be surprised at what kind of lifestyle unattractive women are expecting from potential partners. That's why you see so few middle age decently of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 02:04 PM
1

I've never seen TBF before. Is that a new concept? I'll concede that a bald(ing), overweight man working a median income job will pair up nicely with a post-walled woman. They can both find common ground and build something together, including a family. Relationships are more transactional than we think, even for those who aren't aware of TRP/FDS. For example, a man who put significant effort into making his way up the socioeconomic ladder will want a woman who can make his efforts worth it in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 01:56 PM
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At it's core, the BB is a woman's fallback plan. A woman would love for one of those hot guys she hooked up with to commit to her. But alas, she had to let go of that fantasy, lest she ends up too old to have children (and in effect less likely to be married). So while she likes that the BB pays all the bills and she'll occasionally give him some starfish sex in return, she will in no way treat him as well as that one Chad with whom she was in a situationship. Mr. BB might be happy because he th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 01:38 PM
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What's interesting is that if you bring up that men go for women under 35 to avoid possible birth complications, women are now responding with "well, the men's quality of sperm goes down as well." Completely missing the point that if a man wants to have ANY hope of children, regardless of his age, he won't choose someone who is already going to be at high risk. Men are much more practical when it comes to marriage and having children.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/03/21 01:01 AM
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You think that the BB wins in the end? lol. I mean, sure, having someone MAY be better than having no one with you later in life, depending on the lifestyle you want. But for the most part, a woman isn't going to be treating her BB with any respect or admiration that he may desire/deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 12:40 AM
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It's refreshing that you see this objectively. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 09:01 PM
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Because it's fun and comes with additional goodies depending on how she goes about it? Young, attractive women can easily get rich men to spoil them rotten. And they can feel good sleeping with Chad when they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 08:57 PM
1

In terms of dating strategies, though, wouldn't you need input from men as to what makes a HVW? Otherwise, you all are doing things that you THINK should be attractive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 08:42 PM
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She'd have to be much hotter than what the guy can reasonably get for him to go through those hoops, though. Otherwise, the guy will move on to someone else. I'd say that a woman would have to be a minimum of a 7/10 going after men who are two or three points lower than her for the FDS strategy to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 08:38 PM
1

I personally think every person is deserving of respect and can be a valuable contributor to society. However, there is a difference between a valuable human being and a valuable romantic partner. Yes, there is more to a person than weight, and that's great that you don't let weight influence your partner selection. However, for a romantic relationship, weight can negatively influence attraction. It could just be that men judge weight more harshly than women do. Men's attraction is instinctively…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 10:29 PM
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I was very blue-pilled up until my early 30s. Was constantly looking for "the one" in every relationship I pursued. Never had trouble dating. Dated this one gal who seemed to be everything I wanted in a long term partner (fun, smart, sexy, semi-geeky). That relationship lasted about six months, but it was as if the stars aligned. There were some signs that I should have paid attention to after some time (like her wanting to live overseas for a while and her mentioning how she was getting hit on …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 02:32 PM
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OP I agree with everything except for the part where you mention sluts do not enjoy sex. The sluts that I have been with have been the most open with their sexual expression and try to get out of it as much as they put in. By that I mean mutual sexual satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 02:17 PM
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It's not a double standard. Men and women operate differently when it comes to sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 02:13 PM
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The reason obesity rates are so high is because people eat a lot of calorie dense foods and live sedentary lives. The lack of self-control and desire to improve your health are traits of a low value person, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:12 PM
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You have to account for how many of those 1,572 eligible men would even give her a chance, much less commit to her. I doubt any of those men would even look her way.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/03/21 06:43 PM
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I've asked some friends in the past and you're right, they usually tell you something nice versus the truth. Or they'll tell you not to even consider ratings at all. When I was in college, a few female acquaintances and I would rate each other for fun. We weren't that close nor did we want to date the other. We went into it knowing that it's better to hear an honest truth than a comforting lie. There was also some website that let anonymous people rate you. Forgot the name, though. In any case, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 02:17 AM
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Even if you're with a hot girl, you still get bored of her over time, no? Same thing happens with women. You might have given her the best D she's had, but she might think the next guy can bring more. The idea of a new relationship (i.e., shiny object) might be enough to driver her away from you.
/r/askTRP08/03/21 12:04 AM
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That's modern women for ya. All the women that call want to be the exception to the rule. They also want to hear that they still have some hope in their dating prospects. Some of the callers are from, I'll say, "rougher" parts of the country and aren't in contact with HVM (KS's clientele). So I can see a woman wanting that insight to better their odds.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/03/21 02:30 AM
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Beautiful women get attention without even trying. Unattractive women have to do something to get the attention they crave.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/02/21 04:41 PM
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I see what you mean. It is hyper-competitive for women in that area of the world. You're competing with younger women aspiring to be models/actresses for the same small number of attractive men. You cannot afford to be out of shape. And it would be the same for men, I imagine. You can't just be a successful man, you have to really stick out for one of those attractive women to notice you. Sadly, I will unpack my bags. :P Cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:27 PM
1

What is your area of the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:16 PM
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Translated: " I want your up-front approval of me cheating on you." She'll end up spending more time with Chad than with you.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/21 12:55 AM
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Her divorced sister is meeting new men. That should tell her that perhaps it pays in more ways than one to be fit/in shape.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/02/21 01:30 AM
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Women are born rich and then gamble their inherited beauty away chasing Chads.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/02/21 01:10 AM
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Every kween would flag the profile as abusive and cause it to get removed.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/01/21 02:28 PM
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In the past couple of months, I glanced at that miserable sub. They've mentioned his name a few times. I remember them bringing up that "average at best" video and another of his regarding whether single mothers deserve high value men. I agree that his channel is a goldmine. It's almost surreal how delusional some of those women callers are. As far as the lovely ladies at FDS, those lovely ladies get very triggered. lol Mr. Samuels is a very successful and articulate gentleman. And at 51, he see…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre20/01/21 01:25 AM
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It's like someone calling themselves rich when they only have $100 in their bank account.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/01/21 12:41 PM
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