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No idea about male cheating.. But while a lot of women are foresaking traditionality to be more career-oriented (to secure their long-term financial stability), there are also a great deal of women who still play by the traditional playbook - ie sacrificing their own ambitions in the name of family/the man's career. Look at the employment breakdowns for men and women - a great deal of female workers are part-timers (to be able to still take care of family/kids). Part-timers earn less, contribute…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 05:44 PM
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Well it's not supposed to... that's the point. If you actually read through the comments on FDS, a lot of those women have already done the self-improvement work..they know about working out/beauty routines, they practice self-love and know how to express their thoughts/feelings. That's not enough. The thing men don't get about modern women is that you can do aallll the self-improvement in the world and still get a low quality man. I've been there more times than I care to admit. I've had model-…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 05:36 PM
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Again, FDS women don't need advice on most of those things because they already know... Most of mainstream advice for women includes tips for losing weight/being beautiful, your average cosmo magazine or youtube video teaches you how to communicate. On the last two there is veeeery conflicting advice out there. There's very mainstream advice that tell you to sleep with a guy on a 1st date, same with being non-judgemental, other more "trad-con" type advice tells you to be a chaste super-woman. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 08:37 PM
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FDS gained traction in 2019 during the pandemic, when everyone was sitting at home. Even the hot girls. Having read their posts, I absolutely believe most of them are very attractive. They describe the habits and thought processes of attractive women and they are single by choice because they want to wait out for an equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:34 PM
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What you say is "common sense" is actually really not that common in a world where mainstream advice for women is how to contort yourself "communicating" or "50 ways to suck dick" 🤷‍♀️ I think a lot of women very much need FDS to develop boundaries and have a realistic view of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:30 PM
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More or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 06:55 PM
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Cheating is still more common in men than in women, and even then statistics consistently show that men and women cheat at the same rate only in early adult life (ie twenties) while at the tail-end the rates are opposite (very high for men, and very low for women). I don't believe a partner who cheats should get a larger cut of marital assets, no. But while I do not justify bad behaviour in relationships, I don't believe women in this regard get walk away unpunished any more than men. If a man d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 06:27 PM
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Lol put the bloody keyboard down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 08:10 PM
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No, not necessarily "worst" emotional state.Just average "I'm just existing next to you" state. Why would you need to "project" confidence? Just be a confident person. If you cannot attend a piano lesson without feeling confident enough to talk to other people about pianos, then you've got much more serious issues that cold-approaches really won't solve...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 08:09 PM
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Well that's why I say whether you want to do short-term (cold-approach) and long-term (social network) courting is a matter of personality.I don't think you need to be consistently "cool" in order for people to develop a likeness to you. As much as committed relationships don't. Some people actually prefer to see a person's spectrum of emotional/behavioral states before getting serious with them - I'd actually argue it's a metric of attraction for some. Then you have others who, like you said, r…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:34 PM
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Nah, not maybe. You DON'T know. ✌
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 06:46 PM
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What take? I clearly said I thought it was unfair, but pointed out your righteous self doesn't have enough information to be making morally-based judgements about people who exist quite literally in a different stratosphere in terms of success, as compared to you. Ciao, bambino.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 06:21 PM
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That's brutal.. Some really scummy people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:45 PM
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Well that's fair, but it's not a "woman" thing, it's a "person" thing. You still had the intention to do the 50/50 split, but her moral outlook was a bit poor. There's equally as many examples of men making damaging financial decisions in relationships. My sister and her fiance' used to have a join account (which she contributed more to as she was the higher earner... ). He gambled away ludicrous amounts of money on online poker, to a point where one month they had to borrow money from us to pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:13 PM
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Where is the bias? Oh right, there isn't. I was stating facts. The biased one here is you, because you cannot even for a minute admit that a woman can bring value to relationships. Or to the world, for that matter. You are the actual misogynist here and it shows. Neither of those women you mention "glorified housewives". They certainly seem like they did more in life than you. I'll end this discussion right here, because conversing with you is quite literally giving me brain cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 04:13 PM
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Sure, I've had alcohol. Never done drugs. And of course they do, but the thing about bars/clubs, it's not an organic setting. There's drunk people, there's people there with friends, there's things pulling your attention in different directions. For guys, there's a limited window of opportunity to make an impression. You make the wrong move - and it's done. You'll never see them again, even if you had great chemistry that night. Real life mitigates those risks by offering long-term exposure to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 04:06 PM
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Oh, so there's a term for it. Not sure what you mean by "gaming" - I'm a woman. All I've ever needed to do is smile at a guy/hold a stare for a second longer and they would approach me. But then upon interacting, you realize they're fuckboys. Quality men I know rarely go to clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:44 PM
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Are you a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:39 PM
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I consider myself fairly attractive, but I don't like meeting strangers I don't know much about, in general. It sends me into anxiety overdrive. I will shamelessly admit that whenever I used OLD, I mostly did out of boredom. I did not intend to meet most of my matches. And the couple guys I did - it felt heinously unnatural to me. And it's very strange to me because I am in all other regards a very social person. I've dated and been in relationships with people you would consider conventionally …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:38 PM
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And how exactly did you "uncover misandry"? Or is anyone who disagrees with you a "misandrist"? I've not said a single thing that would point to hatred towards men, but literally every single word coming out of your mouth is deflection, contempt and devaluation of even the brightest women in the world. Based on things you don't even know shit about, because you don't even know these people, or their relationships. You're literally sitting here, making moral speculations based on internet news ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:25 PM
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Agreed on your points. Also can say the same on the last sentence - you would think that OLD exposes you to higher quality matches. Although that's technically true, I find that for what regards people who you find attractive/high quality, it's very much less intimidating to approach them in real life. On OLD you'll have that conversation, but you might not feel brave enough to meet in life, if you have any insecurities. Edit: also people on OLD often lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:12 PM
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So you're one of those guys who stand on the dance floor peripheral, with a bottle in-hand, making women who are dancing uncomfortably self-aware? 😂 That's why I hate bars/clubs...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:00 PM
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I guess to your first point - depends how wide the social network is. You might not find the mate of your dreams, but you might find friends/develop acquaintances who could introduce you to new people. Or they might provide a certain level of social proof - ie if their single friend happens to notice you at some other venue/OLD - this acquaintance can say "hey, I know that guy!". And the more people know you, the more they can advertise you. (assuming you haven't done anything socially unaccepta…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:56 PM
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You're a PUA coach, so I get that you would want to support cold approaches, but there is no need to shit on traditional ways of meeting/bonding with people. There's a reason it worked for most people for most of human history. For some people life is not about abundance (ie quantity), but about quality. Not everyone needs to have millions of options. That's a myth and it only serves to glamorise the idea that aspiring to be a Chad is the way to go in life. If you derive your own value from comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:30 PM
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I see, that makes sense. Yeah same with men I know -really well-, but for acquaintances/work friends I'd want some type of courting. Also, especially going from formal circles like work/school I guess it's kind of awkward for me to go straight to, say, going over to somenone's house. There has to be an in-between/buffer in the form of a date. Doesn't have to be super formal. And from the second part of your comment, I totally get why you would seek dating from outside of your circles. Especially…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:21 PM
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That's a bit bitter. Doesn't reflect my experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:49 PM
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I do that too. Radar ears when someone talks about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:47 PM
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I guess it's just preference. Yes all men are strangers, but they are different levels of "strange", so to say. I'm personally a person who is very mindful of my time and would rather have more information about a guy before committing to a date. When knowing someone beforehand, it's easier to gauge deal-breakers. Again, strictly personal. And true about the hobby part, although 1 hobby in common doesn't mean a person will have other hobbies in common with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:42 PM
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I don't think it's because of fear of rejection. You can waste a lot more time/money/mental energy with OLD/cold approach if you are specifically looking for a LTR. Pursuing social networks (that you can benefit from in other ways too) is a lot less burdensome to people who don't want to spend ample energy and resources on dating/getting rejected by strangers. To each his own. It's more a question of personality. The same way as I prefer people I know, there are women who hate dating people they…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:14 PM
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It says nothing about LGBT though or how bar/club dating culture developped from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:08 PM
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Are you advertising a PUA course?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:05 PM
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Some people have it easier through shared activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:02 PM
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Have you got any statistical data on this/any studies? (not being condescending, just interested)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:01 PM
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Does that mean you prefer dating people you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:59 PM
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I can kind of see the point in that. But also don't mind me saying it sounds stemming from insecurity. The idea of "objective attractiveness" seems false to me, atleast in this day and age. It's only as compared to the results of other people, do we assign value to our own attractiveness. If everyone only got 1 person being attracted to them, everyone would feel attractive. But nowadays everyone wants to be Chad. A bit sad, really..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:58 PM
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Makes sense for the first part. But didn't straight people meet at bars/other social places at all times? Afterall the LGBT community is still not that vast. Much less operational back in the day, when there were great social stigmas around queerness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:49 PM
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Spot on 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:46 PM
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Fair point, they are. They always are. But I didn't say women are somehow supposed to foresake superficiality? Some women (much like myself) have rejected attractive men, due to lack of incompatibility or other factors. I would personally appreciate an invitation to a date from an attractive guy I know, rather than an attractive guy I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:45 PM
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Fair, although you don't need to be particularly extroverted to pursue a hobby. Unless your social skills are in the gutter, which I imagine would make OLD equally as challenging.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:37 PM
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Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:35 PM
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That's a very interesting take. Never knew Tinder was based on Grindr.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:33 PM
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Here's a philosophical question - why is it that you want to get to a point of indifference? And why do you want to be successful in dating, unless your goal is to be likeable to any and every woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:30 PM
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Fair point that OLD and cold-approaching aren't the same, but I grouped them for simplification. They both describe agreeing to go on a date with a stranger. Not good or bad per se. I wasn't trying to shit on cold approaching, just presenting an alternative to it as it seems to be highly advertised on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:28 PM
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That is sound. Though personally bars/clubs are disappointing a lot of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:20 PM
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Oh for sure. And the cheaters (why I personally quit)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:17 PM
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Fair enough, yeah I guess you cannot override that. Attractiveness to your potential target is key in any setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:16 PM
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Sorry, perhaps I worded that wrong. I did not mean that anyone has to foresake superficiality. Just that the nature of cold approaches entrails having to make snap decisions (ie decisions with little information available). If all you have to work with is one's appearance, body language and approach tactic - you will make the decision to go/not go on a date based only on those metrics. By having to interact within a social setting/activity, you will notice the exterior but there's scope to get m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:13 PM
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Yeah, some people construe entire personalities to bait for swipes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:06 PM
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Perhaps Bob could still make friends at the piano group and they'd introduce him to more potentials?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:01 PM
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I can see the logic in that. But I guess it really depends on the availability of women who are receptive to cold approaches? If every single woman rejected you on a cold approach, surely eventually your self-esteem would wither instead of improving?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:59 AM
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Thanks, but I meant why is it that you think some men don't have that option?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:55 AM
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Good points, although on the first one I would argue that whether or not you date the people within that immediate community, it's still worth doing as through developing those ties you are still expanding your network. If you form new friendships, they could potentially introduce you to their other friends outside that community/match-make for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:53 AM
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Agreed, that mirrors my experience to a T. Especially the part about social background - I feel like there is a strong "lack of trust" factor to why online dating doesn't always have the best success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:43 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:37 AM
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Yes, my love, that is exactly what alimony was created for. And that is exactly what it still does, in the overwhelming majority of cases. And how many people do you think marry millionaires?Also, while MaKenzie Scott wasn't as wealthy as Jeff, she did come from a priviledged background. And you still like to ignore the fact that the very capstone of Jeff's financial success, Amazon, was created AFTER they married. And her "much less load" as you put it, was ALSO WORKING FOR AMAZON (she was lite…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:32 AM
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Dancing with someone/getting their number isn't an indicator that you'll get into a relationship with someone. You're a stranger - she's not seen you in everyday life social interactions, doesn't know your past or your non-game (ie true) persona. You get all those things if you've gotten to know someone organically -before- asking them out on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:25 PM
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Thank you. Men on here salty that they needed to resort to PUA to get laid, instead of developing social skills like normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:21 PM
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Savage 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 08:58 PM
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😂 also a gem when someone finally points this out. Props
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 08:57 PM
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I'm fine with him having been ugly to other women lol. As long as he's not ugly to me, I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 08:32 PM
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"RedPill rage" is a thing, though. Still part of red, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 05:54 PM
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Again, there's only 2 paragraphs of text in this article yet you've concluded you know -exactly- what happened and why. Like I said, typical manospherean lack of personal opinion. Everything serves to prove your pre-conceived narrative. Right, one case of injustice doesn't mean the law is wrong and doesn't protect the myriad of other, more traditional if you will, cases. I don't care about your marital status. What is that supposed to tell me?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 05:52 PM
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Fair enough, but if you want a partner then making some form of trade-offs/sacrifices (lack of alone-time etc) is often necessary, same as he would if a cold approach were successful - he would still need to go on dates/spend time with her. Also friendships in one's immediate community are not the only way to meet women. I'm not discouraging cold-approaches, I'm just saying there are better alternatives for some men.Consider Bob taking up group piano lessons (if he's into that). Advantages over …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 05:38 PM
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Sorry, genuinely don't get your point. Are you saying a man won't want to pursue female friendship because he has too many male friendships? Or is it about a man making several female friendships, only to neglect them all once he finds "the one"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 04:48 PM
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And a guy cold-approaching doesn't have an "ulterior motive"? lol The social network doesn't have to be large to be meaningful, and whether or not a man is seeking new connections to find a mate, is irrelevant. A man wanting to "get into a woman's pants" is only bad if the woman doesn't want it, and if the guy cannot handle rejection. If you're respectful and more concerned with the actual value of any type of relationship, romantic or not, than you are with getting sex - then you won't have muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 04:25 PM
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Riiiight. Who are you trying to fool? I've been reading red pill content for almost a decade. Redpill, at the onset, spoke of any divorce, not just the outlier extreme cases. I still remember that black/white youtube video where marriage is "explained" by Red pill, ie man works, woman fucks chad, woman divorces and gets rich, man becomes an alcoholic and goes to hookers, man doesn't see kids. Poor man. Any marriage is presented as unfavourable to men. And any woman is evil just by virtue of want…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:28 PM
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Hmm.. good question! Probably wouldn't change my view. I've had a man I dated send me flowers to work, which some women are creeped out by. To me - it's romantic 🤷‍♀️ People go through phases in life. I was socially awkward once, so I wouldn't judge someone who was getting out of their comfort zone and experiencing some challenges from it. But that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:05 PM
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No. They spent like 2 weeks a year traveling together. From the article: "She ruled they were in fact long-time spouses, finding that despite their separate home, they lived under one roof at Latner’s cottage for part of the summer, and during winter vacations in Florida" Doesn't specify how much time exactly, but seems to me more than a few weeks a year. I'm not defending that particular case, I'm saying you're drawing so many conclusions with so little information. But I guess that's typical r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:00 PM
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Family/work/hobbies/social causes. There's a myriad of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 02:48 PM
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That's lowkey kind of hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 02:28 PM
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Those are red pill markers to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 02:28 PM
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Could be. Why I'd rather live in blissful ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 02:26 PM
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I'd hate to think there was something wrong with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 02:09 PM
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Lol you literally just made that up. Less than 30% of women are overweight. About 20% in the States. Of those 30% most are concentrated in 45+ people, which also happens in men (results of aging and partly hormonal change). So that's nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:56 PM
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But they didn't just "hook up", they spent months living together, travelling together and, once again, he did want to marry her - it was her who refused.I imagine if they had only "hooked up" then there would be no case for the ruling. Won't justify it, but you are making pretty hyperbolic statements based on a 2-paragraph article. We don't know what their relationship looked like. And yes, agreed it's not a marriage. But whether or not they lived together is not always a case for "injustice", …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:36 PM
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Lol I didn't. You're just trying to find proof for your narrative. Also, you really are not blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:00 PM
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LOL. Red pillers are now scientists. Nice one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:58 PM
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No, not particularly. I just want him to be likeable to me personally, and perhaps being perceived as "high quality" to other women. But fuck no if I want other women to desire him. I'm quite jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:49 PM
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I'm personally very weary of dating men who approach too many women (ie men who "game"). I prefer men who seek quality over quantity, ie instead of approaching strangers they build their existing social networks and simply develop friendships and bond with women within them. These men seem to face rejection from women much more rarely. Although I do have to admit, I wouldn't want to know that my man got rejected too many times. This kind of begs the question "why?" and I don't want paranoid thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:45 PM
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I wouldn't speak for all women like that. Not all of us like players.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:35 PM
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From your original article: "Although they maintained their separate homes, Latner and Climans behaved as a couple both privately and publicly. They vacationed together. He gave her a 7.5-carat diamond ring and other jewelry that she wore. She quit her job and would regularly sleep at his house. They travelled together and talked about living together. Latner proposed several times and Climans accepted. He often referred to her by his last name. However, he insisted she sign a marriage contract …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:58 AM
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Yes, infidelity being illegal. And why do you think it's purely a moral issue? There's a moral component to it, I guess. But objectively speaking, even if there's different levels of cheating, they are still possible to define. Obviously you would assign different levels of consequence to each, but I see nothing in the way of legally enforcing this, as long as a person can prove that their spouse cheated. After all, you would assume someone entering marriage intend to stay with and love one pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:40 AM
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That particular case seems like a court failure, not a legislation issue. I don't really believe anything has degenerated for the most part. But I guess there will always be outliers. Much like society on a macro- level: most people are reasonable, fair, communal, but then you get the occasional con-artist or serial killer. You'll never be able to completely mitigate these risks unless you compromise on healthy manifestations of humanity (ie in this case people being generous and trusting to eac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:24 AM
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Agreed. And true, it can be risky for men. Not denying that. But I stopped unconditionally believing a lot of accounts from divorced men online, and here's why: they often leave out a lot of information about their particular relationship. In my early twenties I read a lot of red pill and based my whole world-view and interaction with men on those views, as I deeply empathized with those men. Until I realized those same posters were giving tips to other men on manipulation/cheating/and sometimes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:01 AM
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First of all, not sure what you're basing that first statement on.. The "marriage is just a piece of paper" guys I know won't buy an extra heater because "why should, I if she's the one that's cold and I'm not?". But it doesn't really matter. There's all sorts of relationships. As per my OP, I'm considering long-term risks vs short-term. The man can treat you like a queen in a relationship, and you'll still end up a bum if the compound consequences of not building your own wealth, are not consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 06:42 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 06:12 AM
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MGTOW is hated because it unjustly shits on/generalises women. Plain and simple. Self-improvement rooted in misogyny is not a "great way to live", even if it personally helped you achieve some type of a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:08 PM
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Women, especially feminist women, believe men have innate and inherent flaws. Hasn't this always been the case? Women's whims have always been the primary driver of change in men. If women accepted all men in their rawness, not one would do better than his most low-effort form. Women incentivise men to not be cavemen, do they not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:38 PM
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That's what I personally do, too. If I smell red pill, I move along. But I also acknowledge that some of us come from positions of privilege, whereas others need to work with what they have I guess. I think these relationships are still somewhat worth it for women who are not particularly keen on children/marriage. But you're right, not the best scenario for children to grow up in.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 07:39 PM
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Don't think you understood my comment. I meant that relationships with women benefit men, but the legal protections defend these same women's contributions. Because if you eliminate these safety nets while keeping the same traditional roles, that means in case of a relationship breakdown the man walks away a success, while a woman walks away a beggar.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 06:55 PM
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Yeah, nothing wrong with it I guess, I had tried to date a blue-collar man in my early twenties so I guess shooting one's shot is justified. You never know if you click. The problem is a lot of these guys will act in ways that are unaffordable to them, just to impress the "uptown" girl.. perhaps that also adds to the disgruntled attitudes when it doesn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 06:52 PM
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Not really as I don't struggle with that/have my routine. I'd just look it up on youtube.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 06:42 PM
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Agreed, healthy relationships cannot flourish in an environment of mistrust. But luckily good people still find each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:47 PM
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And how does that manifest?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:31 PM
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Not really. Most women aren't feminists. Judging from what men say about women online, what they do to women in porn and the lack of quality many have in their everyday relationships with women, I'd say there is a stronger argument for many men despising women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:31 PM
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Not unreasonable 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:22 PM
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Sorry, what's your point? Domestic help and advice are part of nurturing. Anything you do for other people, with the intent of adding some form of value to their life, is nurturing. And you keep shoving words into my mouth, which I really do not appreciate. I never said women who can afford domestic help shouldn't work. Again, stop acting like wealthy SAHMs are the majority.They are not. Just because you personally feel victimised by someone else's success - doesn't make your argument right. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:58 PM
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I follow Anna Bey for clothing, elegance and etiquette advice (her other tips are a bit dodgy) and random Russian or Korean model advice on makeup/skincare. James Arthur Ray back in the day was my favourite self-help guru. But then the sweat lodge thing happened and can't look at him the same way. Sound advice on self-motivation though, regardless. Also Bob Proctor is a good one also. Jordan Peterson for personal responsibility/accountability. Jordan Belfort for sales advice. Used to listen to R…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:18 PM
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She's highly entertaining, but I personally did not find a lot of educational value in her videos.. Any lessons felt obscured by her tendency to make shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:06 PM
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What does it matter? Whether you're the one taking the business risk or not, it's your family who built the conditions for you to feel comfortable enough to take that risk, and will ultimately bear the consequences of you failing. Why are you this set on exploiting women? Go and sort your business out before marrying - problem solved. But reality is most single men cannot compete with married men on most markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:02 PM
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Why would I hate poor women? And I have no problem with women who trust men..The reality is that men don't trust women and that mistrust makes them do things that hurt caring, trusting women. And many rely on our empathy to make choices that benefit their well-being, even when they do not return the same kind of empathy back. I'm very much for traditional, loving and trusting relationships. Just be wise about the kind of men you enter such a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:38 PM
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Perhaps not many manage to land a high-earning woman, but many absolutely do try. Oh tons. I have probably had dozens of propositions from blue-collar men approaching me, knowing full well I earn more than them and am more educated that them. They shoot the shot regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:28 PM
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I am currently getting a bachelor's in business management, so joke's on you mate 😂 How businesses are run does not pertain to how relationships are run.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:24 PM
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Buy me a robo vacuum, I don't have one. You've clearly never run a household with kids on your own. And it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:26 PM
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That's fair. Singlehood is amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:19 PM
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I am in the UK.Whether they consciously realize this or not, but that's what it is. Every time a woman takes on risk or a sacrifice that the man doesn't - that's what she's doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:16 PM
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Fair, no one should pay the price for that. But then again, men do still overwhelmingly choose women they perceive as feminine. And that's what the feminine has traditionally been - a supporting/nurturing role. So if men still like to feel manly in the presence of a sun-kissed nymphette who laughs at all his jokes and goes with whatever he wants to do, ever-agreeable and ever-positve, they have to realize that these exact traits make a woman a low-earner because they are not rewarded in the work…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:09 PM
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Exactly.Many men, especially ones who are smart and ambitious, will recognise this. But they largely view the benefits as something they can take, not something they have to build with other people who also have concerns and needs that need to be addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:04 PM
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Did you see the word "some" before "triple and quadruple"? Look up statistics for millionaires/billionaires who were lower/middle-class before marrying. Sorry, not sure what you are getting at? If a woman was a SAHM she had that social credibility while not exploiting it, while her husband does to build assets. After a divorce - she cannot enjoy that credibility (and is actually very often stigmatised in today's society), while her husband is at exactly the same level career-wise (having benefit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 11:21 AM
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I think you mean to -protect- women who benefit the man in an array of different ways. And I won't reiterate the comments I've already posted. Just look at how much career opportunities and personal wealth women still forego to support a man's come-up,
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 11:04 AM
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There absolutely are traditional women.I know it hurts your feelings, sorry. Edit: I'll add that yes, man sluts absolutely want respect. Why else would they go about calling themselves "High value men"? They absolutely want the success and social recognition without the personal sacrifices those things entail.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 11:01 AM
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They do 😂 Some triple and quadruple them. But also that's a bit of a logical fallacy? If I loan you money and apply interest, the net capital at the end of the term doesn't have to be double the amount for you to be liable for giving it back. And women do not get to monetise their social credibility, if they are a SAHM, do they? Their image won't earn them money if they don't work. Good for you. Indeed, just hire help instead of having a female partner. And abolishing wealth transfer means women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 10:58 AM
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And? You do realise the other half of those ecounters are men who were fine with sleeping with a woman before courting/marrying her? Men have ONSs at higher rates than their ancestors just as much. They also watch exponentially more foul imagery of strange naked women, and enjoy exponentially highter opportunities to cheat. Yet they still want to be treated with the same respect of a married man who had respectfully courted his wife and spent his life by her side. So not sure what you're trying …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 10:49 AM
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Lol Can't add much more to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 10:42 AM
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And why do you assume this is not a result of women's sense of traditionality? If women have historically and generationally spent most of their existence making themselves smaller to prop up a man's success - how easy do you think this social conditioning is to unweave? Whether we are conscious of it or not. Women who think and behave like men absolutely achieve the same rates of success. Problem is they do not get to benefit from the same level of support (from men) that ambitious men do (from…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 10:41 AM
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I'm sorry but I haven't read this much blatant bullshit in one comment. Yes, woman do account for 50% of a man's success because most single men do not achieve the same success. You can argue with me all you want. Young CEOs either already come from priviledged backgrounds, or they achieved their success while living with their parents - where effectively their mother/father play the support role/unburden them from all things mundane to where they can thoughtlessly dedicate themselves to their c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 10:31 AM
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Disagree. Look at mainstream dating advice for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 10:15 AM
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No, they don't cheat the same amount. Men cheat more. And support other men cheating more, while women get shunned by their communities when they do the same. Also just because there are some abusive women, does not mean men don't make up the majority of domestic abusers. And from everything you've said I will conclude that you haven't done much "SAHM"ing yourself. Also how many households do you think even own a dish-washer or robo-vacuum? Majority of the population don't. Men's businesses abso…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 10:14 AM
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Clearly I did see your post at the time I was replying to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:55 AM
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Again, you have no choice if you want to be playing couch commando with women who are "traditional"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:53 AM
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Well unfortunately for you, with how things are going soon they are going to be the majority of the dating pool. Lack of protection for traditional femininity has ensured that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:51 AM
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50/50 is a fair split because it accounts for all the non-monetary benefits a woman brings into the relationship - ie value that is non-monetizable itself but contributes to a man's earning assets/building wealth.Because the reality is, as much as people want to deny this - people absolutely do enjoy more career success within a LTR. Comparatively few people are capable of making great career leaps when they are single, unless they entered the market at an advantage (familial support/influence/m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:46 AM
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Yes and many women have come to this sobering realization, especially during the pandemic. So many relationships and marriages broke apart during that time and it's really no wonder there's a huge wave of female resentment we are currently seeing online, across many different platforms. In my theory, these women finally realized what the true risks and costs to them are of red-pill dating and relationships and that not developing protective measures is not sustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:14 AM
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There is no better way. The only better way is for women to not live with men and not have children 🤷‍♂️Or as per my post, ruthlessly pursue their financial success without making any sacrifices in men's benefit. Unfortunately these are the only ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:00 AM
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My point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:56 AM
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Well again, that only takes into consideration men's assets, not the foregone human capital and undevelopped financial assets that women accept as part of a "family before work" trade-off. Men cannot act like their financial contribution is the only one that matters 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:54 AM
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These contracts protect women's investment into the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:47 AM
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No. It's just that men want to skew the "compromise" towards benefitting them.They want all the befits a marriage will provide, without bearing any of the risks. In fact they want the risk borne by women. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:46 AM
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That's why men should stay single or date highly career-minded women, instead of still pursuing traditional women who give them the beneficial side of that arrangement at Her risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:43 AM
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Interesting, except the decision to divorce can equally come from the man, or what is more common - he could cheat/be abusive or develop addictions which makes him hard to stay by. So no, women should not bear additional consequences for men's poor choices in life. Not to say irresponsible women don't happen, but in my exprience there are many, many men who did not value their marriage enough in the first place. Also a woman being a SAHM is usually both partners' decision, not just the womans. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:39 AM
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I didn't say she was uni-educated, just that she was career-driven. Although she might be uni-educated for all I know. Senior logistics manager at the company I work for, her husband is a truck driver for the same company, who drives long-haul between UK and Ireland. So no, not larping.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:11 AM
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Good for you. I don't think they are hard to find, because most women are very much capable of those attributes. The problem is that those behaviours (atleast in the traditional package) require hightened emotional states (thinking with our emotions) and in today's world - also a lot of vulnerability, as those things will get you shat on in the workplace. Atleast speaking for myself, switching between being a badass, to affectionate is not always easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:06 AM
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Once again, humbly disagree. Most of the young women my age are painfully tradcon. Painfully submissive and extra naive as to what the dating scene is really like. I was until very recently one of them. "Good women" are very much patted on the head for their "good" behaviours, and led to believe they will get the dream marriage their mother had if they just try hard enough and sacrifice enough, and prove enough commitment and dedication. No one is telling them they should focus on pursuing educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:53 AM
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Well that is what does happen, but I will stand my ground that atleast in terms of pregnancy and maternity leave - a man should invest more if he truly cares about his partner because child-bearing is not something you can truly split costs on. And one who is particularly selfish/lacks understanding in this regard, should not have a wife or children. And I'll agree with most of what you are saying in the sense that both partners should carefully weigh the risks. That is the point of my post. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:33 AM
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I don't mean the internet.. The real world still seems very much tradcon to me, and men seem to select traditionally feminine women who want marriage and kids and basking in all the benefits these women provide, while still propagating their views on not wanting those things, and not wanting the risks associated with marriage. Basically I see a lot of men wanting a tradwife without wanting to take on the risks of being a trad husband. And stomping their feet when they either can't get one/get di…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:26 AM
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Here, I'll spell it out: You: woman shouldn't have family or kids, as you think too much about your assets. Me: actually this whole post is about how men are more burdened with their finances than they are with their relationship, and really your comment should be directed at them as my assessment is just a response to these transactional narratives and how women should defend their interests if this is what men want to do. Is that better?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:19 AM
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That's not a very dignifying way to look at it, if both parents planned for the baby. Pregnancies can lead to unforeseen circumstances/complications from physical incapacitation to depression that need to be dealt with postpartum. So saying it's only a woman's responsibility is a bit insensitive. Also, as far as I am aware abortion is being made illegal in many states over in USA, so you have that factor at play as well. Your argument is not proof of "fairness", it is just as much a sign of pref…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:14 AM
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Ah well, what can ya do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:55 AM
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So what's with these "submissive"-chasers?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:52 AM
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Well I can say the exact same thing to men? Most women do want to have a family & kids. They want to have a loving marriage and live happily ever after. But in the male culture we live in, keeping to traditional views/behaviour is proving not to be smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:51 AM
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Except focusing on children is not always purely a mother's decision. Maternity leave is still more prevalent than paternity leave. And purely biologically (lactation period & rehabilitation) - women have no other choice. It is unfair. And clearly considering how many still choose to go back to work - career is a much preferable burden if it achieves long-term financial health. Especially if the couple is not married and the woman has no legal entitlement to his resources/pension in case of deat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:45 AM
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Not arguing there are scumbag people in general and definitely agree there is a conflict of interest as marriages still do largely provide a sense of security to women, but can be a risky arrangement for men. But I disagree that it's society screwing guys more. While I will agree that some men genuinely have it bad, from my own experience (I'm 29) and the experience of, what seems most of my older female friends and acquaintances - it was usually the man who screwed himself over. I probably know…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:39 AM
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Ohh, got'cha. I understood the other commenter as getting purpose from serving your family. As in, leading your life in service of your wife and child, making them the reason you get up in the mornings and pull through challenging times.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:28 AM
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I'll agree it's terrible, but yes like you said it's fair and balanced. Weighing the risks and basing your decisions also on your partner's choices in the modern world is vital. I think there is still such a great divide between tradition and modernity. People aren't given the tools to navigate the dynamics properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:26 AM
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I can't see your previous comment so can't remember what you said, but it was not the no fault divorce part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:22 AM
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You literally did, because most of TRP does not frame it as "1 woman in the state of Nevada once raped a student", they imply these things happen at rates comparable to, or higher than the same abuse happening to women. Excuse me, but that is absolute bullshit.Saying there is somehow an "alarming rate of false rape accusations" is also ridiculous and aimed at silencing victims so that they are afraid to speak out in fear of not being believed/being accused of false rape accusation. And yes, ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:20 AM
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Aren't your children and wife part of those caring relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:09 AM
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I'm not telling this to women lol (I'm too young) - women are telling this to me. Agreed, honesty is the way to go. If all parties are honest and up-front about what they want, neither have to compromise by making uninformed decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:08 AM
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By that logic, women who are at home should also be paid an extra wage from her husband so that she can build up a safety cushion/pension/assets to fall back on in case of divorce. Because he is gaining an unfair advantage by being able to focus on his career growth undisturbed by the mundane, while she makes all the sacrifices for a child they both wanted. Or not have children at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:03 AM
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So what do you find purpose in, if even family isn't good enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:56 AM
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Most women still want marriage 🤷‍♂️ Literally do not know a single woman who has not wanted marriage, and I've worked in mostly-female workplaces. Some are upfront to avoid wasting time, others wait 5 years until they realize their boyfriend was not going to give them a ring. Men are still finding women who don't push for marriage because these women are still operating based on the assumption that they will, eventually, get married. If men were upfront about not wanting to marry, I suspect many…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:45 AM
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Where is it that you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:35 AM
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https://www.markpack.org.uk/35972/men-and-women-at-work-simple-pictures-can-tell-a-complex-story-well/ A bit old (2012), I'll edit with something more recent if I can find. But note the proportion of part-time to full-time in both men and women. Women absolutely do. Most will still re-locate for a man's job opportunities, turn down career growth when kids are involved, do free labour for her partner's business. There's tons of examples, you have to be blind to not see them. But besides the point…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:34 AM
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Guess Omegas get a different kind of wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:22 AM
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Child support supports her children, it's not a replacement for her own gap in income. And of course most women will resume, but that does not change the fact that she will be leagues behind the man. Also, these aren't really "negative externalities" as much as being the very nature of what being a woman entails. It has always been this way. Mainstream society still enforces it by providing for the most part only maternal leave and very limited paternal leave. Domestic labour and childcare are p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:20 AM
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I think I just peed myself a little from laughter so hard. Thanks for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:05 AM
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Fair. But you should be ok with the fact that she has no obligation to support your career progress/sacrifice any of her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:04 AM
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Agreed, it's a cost/benefit analysis.. as cynical as that sounds, that's where we're at in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:02 AM
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Ok, alpha. Or, sorry... Omega.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 11:47 PM
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When the man is in his come-up stage, absolutely. Where do you think broke men who cannot hire this type of help, get it from?What do you think happens when your average wife invites her husband's boss over for dinner? Or when she celebrates her husband's achievement in her neighbourhood/on social media? Look at the ample scientific evidence about the effect long-term relationships have on income. What social credibility and status marriage confers on men, especially. So no, your dog won't get y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 11:13 PM
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See, you base your whole worldview on a myth. Majority of women absolutely do not sleep with "bad boys" on date one. This nonsense keeps being perpetuated because that's the only way you'll be able to keep justifying your own shitty behavior towards women. You're the real misandrist, because whether you realise this or not - you are doing a huge disservice to most men by perpetuating this crap. More men sexless now than ever before, and it the trend started around good ole 2008 when trp was born…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 11:04 PM
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Perhaps I am. Gotta fight fire with fire. It's true though. This very thread proves my point - many men want a home-maker without wanting to be a provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 10:59 PM
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Nothing wrong with if, just saying it's not fair to expect that and have a 50/50 relationship, is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 10:57 PM
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Just because you cannot measure it, does not mean it's not there. And "ugly" and "pretty" are objective matters as the man decides what value to assign to the attractiveness of his spouse. On the other hand, trophy wives are a thing too and likeable/social wives often create ample non-monetary value in a man's life through her social networks, her culture, her knowledge etc. I've seen women boost her man's opportunities for promotion just by inviting colleagues for dinner. Again, just because it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 10:54 PM
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There are still plenty of virgin wives, but today's men feel entitled to sex on date one. You cannot judge a culture you actively support. And once again, virginity does not define traditionality. This not pertain to this discourse at all, you're just trying to derail the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 10:21 PM
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Well it's not exactly equitable if you are walking out in a better financial position than you were pre-marriage vs her walking out worse-off because she followed the expected traditional feminine route of sacrificing her long-term success for family. If you both have a earning power proportionally equal to what you were earning before marriage/equal pension cushion and no major financial gaps/losses, then I agree. But this follows my logic of claiming that the only real route to this is for wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 10:14 PM
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It isn't. Money is just a tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:56 PM
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I will keep this advice at heart, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:54 PM
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First of all - you know nothing about me so I would refrain from making such judgements. Second, where did I bitch about a traditional man? 😂 I just said women should stop being traditional if men want 50/50. Like I said, you are either totally confused or just seeking an opportunity to push your red pill agendas into the discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:46 PM
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Well played lol. But that's not the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:43 PM
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Very sound! Though I do still want to date :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:42 PM
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Still don't understand what point you are trying to make. I think you're confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:30 PM
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A bunch of lies you read on red pill. 99% of women don't rape men. Most rape accusations aren't false. Most cheaters are statistically also men. And men have literal expanded communities where they wish death/rape/any other kind of mysery on all women. There's communities that enjoy imagery of violence towards women and filmed rape of women of all ages. So all of what you said is lies and massive projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:29 PM
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Then do that. We don't want men like you to stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:25 PM
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Brilliant comment. Thank you 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:22 PM
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But men are the same way? Many don't want to pay on dates, don't want to buy flowers or tell you compliments because they view it as too big a sacrifice. Same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:20 PM
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When divorce hits and a man walks out with a job, exponentially higher earning potential and experience, maybe savings and a pension. A SAHM walks out a bum. So no, not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:09 PM
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Most of your opinion is largely based on myths. Red pillers propagate blatant lies to cover up for their own shitty behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:08 PM
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Agreed. It's not moving in a pro-social direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:01 PM
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It's not at the man's cost. Both people contribute to a marriage in different ways. And again, it's not "man's expense" if the man had been built up to his career/societal position by his wife through decades of her fore-going opportunities herself. Ask yourself how it is that most highly-successful people are married, and why statistically people who are in long-term relationships on average earn more and build up wealth at exponential speeds vs single people. It's because relatioships absolute…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:57 PM
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No one said they have to be uneducated. And it's not tradcon, it's quite literally mainstream dating advice for women - being a sub-servient doormat is advertised as being feminine. And agreed that most successful marriages are between educated people - and that is what I mean when I say that women should unapologetically pursue education and career instead of the yet encouraged route of mirroring our mothers/grandmothers' behaviours in viewing a man's success as our own and taking absolutely un…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:41 PM
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That's what I mean - where did I say they aren't? 😂 Nowhere am I arguing that men can't protect their assets. The whole point of my post, if you missed it - is that women cannot sustain being "clueless". They need to keep up with the trends to protect their own interests. And that simply means - if men want to cancel traditionality on their part, women have no other choice but to do that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:27 PM
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I did not say women were oppressed as I don't actually believe that. Society was simply not technologically & legally advanced enough to allow for any other scenarios. That was the best that could be at the time. And once again, respectfully, you are putting words in my mouth. I did not accuse you of saying women were property. I merely pointed out the fact that no, neither men nor women could keep something largely "for themselves" if they were married/part of a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:24 PM
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You've got the causality wrong. Women expect those things from you BECAUSE you are weary of splitting the assets. You act like women don't have access to the internet to read manospherean content. But we do. We know what the attitudes are. We know how many marriages are now starting with prenups. We know how many men want to coast through a relationship without marrying us (while not telling us that they don't want to marry - just in case we dip)... And I humbly disagree. Plenty of traditionally…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:18 PM
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It's risk enough to ruin a woman's life, if she is not wise enough to invest in her own stability. Try staying at home for most of your relationship while your man is building his career up, and then he suddenly decides to break up and maintains all of -his- assets while you leave the relationship barefoot - that's a huge risk. Man walks out with a well-built career thanks to her staying power/emotional support (also often backed-up by secretarial work and free career/financial/business etiquett…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:12 PM
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Why are you commenting on this post, if you did not actually read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:03 PM
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Even if the expenses are covered, the earning partner is still a. growing within their career/increasing their marketability on the job market and gaining more earning potential through experience and skill-honing and don't forget pensions. All of these things a SAHM has to forego. A man will not loose his job upon his divorce, but a woman who has taken ample breaks from work will be behind career/pension/savings-wise unless her husband is setting money aside for her while he works. Perhaps reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:01 PM
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One woman opening her bank doesn't mean "women were owning banks". You can very hardly consider this a norm at the time and people absolutely discriminated against women. And once again, 1970's is 50 years ago. Societies have been around for millenia, so my point still stands - this is still very recent phenomena. Also whether coverture law was intended to protect women or not is completely besides the point. It doesn't matter what the original intent was - women could not manage or sell their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:48 PM
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And avoiding men who want a self-sacrificing/doting wife who builds his success up, while maintaining the view you have, is protecting women's assets. Risk-assessment goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:31 PM
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I didn't say it is. Indeed that is what happens when women uphold their careers instead of sacrificing them in the name of family/traditional role of support to her husband. Sorry, not sure what your point is, as you've basically described what relationship should look like if they are to be truly 50/50 - sort of proving my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:29 PM
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Humbly disagree. I see men everywhere wanting "submissive" women. Women who are sweet, giving, caring, family-oriented, self-sacrificing and feminine. Well you cannot have that and still want to seek an arrangement where her very sacrifices will leave her barefooted in case the man decides he wants to trade for a younger wife when mid-life crisis hits. And I did not say the solution is for men to change. Just to accept that women are entitled to "risk-assissment" of how much tradition she is wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:24 PM
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It's not privilege, it's security. Marriage is a contract, a long-term commitment enforced by law. And contrary to popular belief, it is still a major incentive for people to behave well in a relationship because no one truly wants to divorce. Divorces are time-consuming, costly, and now also very socially-stigmatized. Women already by default bear more risks than men, in all areas. We are at higher risk of violence in relationships, higher risk of our spouse cheating on us than the other way ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:17 PM
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Well "owning a woman" as you put it, doesn't make it any less of a huge jump, does it? If we're talking about your original point. So if anything, it increases the responsibilities and obligations of a man. And maybe that could work. Although I don't think one really needs 2 years to figure it out - most know within a couple of months if marriage is a no-go. That's what I hear atleast as I've never lived with a man so wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:05 PM
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Sorry, but that's very far from the truth. All I see is women still doing "wifey" things: still taking on majority of the household responsibilities, still sacrificing majorly for the man's career, still taking on all the risks and sacrifices of child-rearing, with the added expectations of now also having to look like a celebrity and perform in bed like a pornstar. All the while men increasingly opting to not do "husband" things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:01 PM
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Well genuinely hope it works out for you. I feel like that level of distrust would probably turn me away personally, because why would you enter a relationship if you mistrust your partner that much? And I do still want the many legal rights (as well as title) that a marriage would give me. Many women do. It's just how it is. But again, whatever floats your boat. There's also some financial benefits that married couples get here in the UK, so I think all summed up having someone "pay me a salary…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:56 PM
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I guess that's fair? Although becoming "instant husbands" as you put it has been the arrangement for marriages for most of humanity :p I guess it's just establishing how much risk either is willing to take to get what they ultimately want - love and companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:42 PM
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Ok, for example, when a woman chooses to work-part time after having a child (still very prevalent in Western society - most of part-timers in the workforce are still female). Part-timers will earn less money, are infamously passed-up for promotions, invest less in pensions, gain less experience/on-job transferable skills than full-timers. Employers routinely discriminate against part-timers when redundancies fall due. After 2008 crisis, there were many reports of women being made redundant when…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:38 PM
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Unfortunately in many cases cohabitation disincentivises men from marrying. And that's fine when a man is upfront about not wanting to marry before entering the relationship, but reality is - most are not because they know the woman is very likely to leave for someone who does want to marry. Men are fully aware that most women still want to get married, and so this living arrangement leads to women still falling into her wife duties (because she trusts he will eventually make that commitment), w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:24 PM
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No more than men, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:08 PM
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Why do you say that women gain by default? What exactly are women gaining in a marriage, if they stay together for the rest of their lives? If they divorce on the other hand, the only "default gain", as you put it, will be enjoyed by women who literally did nothing. No house-work, had no kids in marriage, did not support her husband emotionally, literally did not do 0. In that sense I would agree that she got the juicy end of the stick. But that is hysterically not the majority of women - most s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:08 PM
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Well it's still cooperation at the woman's expense, if her assets (or lack thereof, in sacrifice of a man's ability to provide) are not held in equal regard as the man's. I don't see anything wrong with femininity either, I just find engaging in traditional femininity risky for women in today's red-pilled society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:51 PM
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That's actually not unreasonable. Good for you that you atleast consider this as an option (many men don't give a shit). And agreed, in today's immoral culture it's a hit and miss. I find traditionality is still largely upheld in many forms, but you're right - it's not a question of societal norm anymore but a question of trust. Although I would argue that you can still gauge what a woman's (or man's) values are like before marriage. Some on this reddit have suggested no-divorce marriages, but n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:46 PM
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I disagree, marriage is still a legal document that protects wives/mothers with an array of legal rights, as well as the highest form of commitment. I will fully agree with you that people rush into marriages very early on and make some very poor decisions when they are young. Especially when children come into play - a lot of couples get married and have their children early on, then next thing you know the child is doomed to grow up father-less. I don't think people should be allowed to marry …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:36 PM
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And men say women are the gold-diggers lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:30 PM
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Sorry, how are women not having risk? That's ridiculous. As I have mentioned in another comment, I know a woman who was cohabiting with a man and had children from him. She was a SAHM. He died, now she's left with 2 kids, hardly any income, no job experience, hardly any pension, and now she needs to go onto the job market with little marketable skill to compete with young kids in their 20/30's for a low-paying job. All because he never married her and never contributed to her savings/ pension fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:26 PM
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How is it more risky for you if you have arranged not to pay after divorce? But again, not arguing that men don't have the right to protect their assets. Just saying women have the right to protect theirs, too. And the opportunity cost of being a trad-wife in today's society is very high for women - the risk she is taking is ending up barefoot after divorce by going the traditional feminine root of treating her man's success as "her success".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:16 PM
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So much yes!! To a T. Please keep doing what you are doing, ma'am!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:11 PM
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Exactly, it's either that both are traditional or neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:09 PM
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True, but there's no way to examine that. I tend to lean towards the idea that most women actually did (until recently) fit the traditional supportive housewife role. At least reality checks out. And agreed that women are doing less of those things on the whole (perhaps rightly so), but statistics show that they still disproportionately take on the long-term financial disadvantages/risks tied to bearing children. Especially if prenups/pre-marital asset division is in play. And I am glad you agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:06 PM
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Way to derail the subject.. We are talking about traditionality with what relates to financial matters. Virginity does not define traditionality. If you don't go for a virgin woman, doesn't mean you don't want a woman who is "submissive"/subservient/still takes on the role of home-maker disproportionately.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:56 PM
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We are talking about protecting interests, so I don't believe anything is really childish 🤷‍♂️ It's the mindset of subservience/self-sacrifice that hurts women. One woman in her forties I know co-habited with her partner for 15 years, had kids and she only worked part-time. Then he suddenly died and now she is uninsured and virtually pension-less, with no claim to his money. She's going back into the work-force with a 10-year gap in experience and no marketable skills. That's unfortunately what …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:52 PM
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Wholeheartedly agree with most of what you say. Reality is that a lot of men still seek traditionally "feminine" women. They might not realize this when they are picking the bubbly, gentle woman in a sundress who is ever-excited to see them and ever-eager to "go with the flow" and go with what the man wants, over the conscientious woman with a chronic resting bitch-face whose head is filled with responsibilities and worries, and who often comes across as critical (because that's a quality she ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:47 PM
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Plenty of men still expect "femininity" and subservience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:35 PM
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Corrected for you: "If I cook you a meal once a week, you also cook me a meal once a week. That way if either of us wanna leave, no one has to pay the other any money". Sound fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:30 PM
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You did not address my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:28 PM
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Not really the same risk, if children are involved or if women still do what their mothers/grandmothers did - ie still perceive the man's success as her investment into her future financial stability. Women who spent a great portion of their lives within the household/on part-time jobs in order to still fulfill their traditional roles (according to statistics, still very prevalent), get less income in general, less career advancement, build up less pension. Women who have children still bear the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:26 PM
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Well then I assume you agree that women should bury their traditionality as well? It does not seem unreasonable for both genders to treat relationships as transactional, if we want to maintain fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:19 PM
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How am I entitled to other's property? 😂 I didn't disagree with men wanting to protect their property. I said women have the right to do the same to counteract financial imbalances. Why exactly are you disagreeing with my view?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:16 PM
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How is that? You want women to bear all the risk and sacrifice on, without you doing the same? Doesn't work like that. If you want equality, you would agree with my post 🤷‍♂️ Why is reasonable for men to want to protect their money, but not for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:14 PM
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That's the case today, but that was not the case before. I would assume a woman who wanted to sell a property that was hers, without the consent of her husband, would either get punched in the face or not be dealt with unless she comes from a wealthy/powerful background where her family could protect her interests. And we're not talking about entitlement. We are talking about protecting one's assets. A woman raising kids is a decision on both partners' part, not just hers, last time I checked? A…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:04 PM
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Well then you're the user.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:58 PM
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Confused as to how this relates to my post.We are talking about financial assets?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:57 PM
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A woman whom has laboured within the household as a SAHM, who has foregone career opportunities/did not get to save for pension or insurance or build her assets due not working, while supporting her husband's success and well-being, is not deserving of a fair share of "his" resources in the case of divorce, precisely because they are viewed as "his" and she is not part of the equation. Red pill men think a woman who sacrificed her whole life to her family should walk out of a marriage barefooted…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:55 PM
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Assuming you are a man. Why are you speaking on behalf of women, when clearly you have no idea about what we find attractive? Many women absolutely do find men standing up for them attractive. Oh and just for the record, the thing about "red pillers getting more success from women".. There is no real proof of this? How do you know a red pilled is more successful because he's a red piller and not because he's, say, attractive physically? Let's do a little experiment, shall we? Why don't red pille…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:49 PM
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So you're ok with not having relationships with women, or you agree with my post that women should be risk-assessing the same way men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:41 PM
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Source for this being a lie? And it wasn't men who kept what they earned, it was men investing what they earned into their family, and also keeping and investing what his woman earned (by working in or outside the household) into the family as well. If I, as a wife, inherited property from my family after marrying - it was our family's property. If my father gifted our household calves, pigs and chickens whom I fed and catered all my life for meat and eggs, the animals and the goods that came fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:38 PM
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Not really. Women couldn't own their property until 1882, and couldn't open their own bank account until 1975. So all resources belonged to the "family", and managed mostly by the man. And you speak of men giving away "their" property, as if the woman supporting his success/ability to buy that property, wasn't part of the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:26 PM
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