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I actually disagree, she seems pretty well brushed up on the feminist propaganda she's parroting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:32 AM
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Yeah totally the same thing as cheering about baby murder being made illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 05:02 PM
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Women never wanted men as much as men wanted women, that's just the reality. The world used to actually be scary and dangerous though, so women needed men (on a individual basis, they still need men collectively). Now that everything is safe and easy women get most of what they needed a man for provided by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:38 PM
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Yes. Yes. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:28 AM
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It's almost like marriage, where both parties get what they want, is the ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 07:49 PM
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I have few partners and am rolling with 7.5 inches, so it's possible. It doesn't matter though because I didn't marry any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:53 AM
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You're also doing this thing a lot of women do where if they lie or lie by omission then they expect that the man involved will never know or suspect anything. I notice this as well. Like women think you can only get upset about things you can prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:27 AM
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But again I don’t see why it’s “crushing humiliation” If you don't think so then tell him the whole story. Make sure you look into his eyes as you do so or you may miss the exact moment when his soul is eviscerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:22 AM
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So according to you if I waited until AFTER we married you’d try to work things out but if I told you before than you’d just leave If we were married with children I'm staying until they are grown virtually no matter what. If there are no children involved I'm not entirely sure. I don't really believe in divorce for any reason short of infidelity, but it's so obvious that that is coming down the pike as to make my line unclear. ​ Also the relationship is not doomed, there's a chance to work thro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:20 AM
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If you ask him, I bet he would say that he doesn't think it's fair that he has to choose between ending the relationship or living the rest of his life under a dark cloud of crushing humiliation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:00 AM
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That's the sunk cost fallacy, the relationship is doomed regardless. I already cannot recoup the time and emotional investment I've made, no point throwing good after bad. If I'm not married to a woman then we haven't made a serious commitment. Isn't this the whole point of doing the ''dating'' period, so that we can end things quickly and cleanly when an unresolvable issue like this comes up?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:58 AM
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I would immediately end the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:44 AM
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Thats different, women's feelings matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 12:04 AM
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I mean you're basically saying that your big dig ex really did it for you and current guy will need to use a dildo to satisfy you. No relationship will survive that level of humiliation being visited upon the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 12:01 AM
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Your tastes are your tastes but that relationship is over, just end it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 11:53 PM
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Admitting your need to be the best your partner had is great but not accepting that it’s not a universal male need It is a universal male need, or so close to universal it makes no difference. Men lie about this for all sorts of reasons, but we all feel it, anybody who says otherwise is capping. Men lie about it because it's socially taboo to say anything that the female collective doesn't like. Men lie about it because they internalize the ''insecurity'' narrative and don't want to appear weak.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 07:43 PM
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Its ‘absurd beliefs’ that a man’s sexual skill is based on his skill and not the lack of a woman’s knowledge of good sex?!?! It's absurd to deny the role that the size of the field plays in competition. I am a very fast runner, If I had to run a 10 man foot race, I am confident I would win. I am not going to take 1st place in a 1000 man foot race. Somewhere in that thousand will be somebody faster than me, it's really that simple. My level of speed is sufficient (probably) to defeat a small fiel…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 04:26 PM
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It’s insecurity because so many young men have been conditioned to believe their manhood is based on their sexual prowess. What's the first insult that will be thrown at a man who says something the female collective doesn't like? What's the insult we see thrown around on here by women, on the daily? Oh, that's right it's ''you can't get laid'' or some permutation of questioning the man's sexual prowess. Now you're going to whine at me about this ''conditioning'' when you don't like the results.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 03:39 AM
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Tons of guys front about how much action they get. It's almost as common as women lying down their body counts. Realizing this made me feel a fair bit better about my own performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:30 AM
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The alt-right is the red pill on politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:26 AM
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I just finished disproving this mindset. Why are you explaining it again? You didn't disprove anything, you prattled off topic and mentioned edge cases. ​ I already pointed out it's just as likely a woman who was in a steady relationship for years in her youth to have better sex And I just pointed out that it's not merely about the quality of the sex, it is about the quality of the man overall. If she's giving it up easily enough she can be the sidepiece of some baller who I will never compare t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:13 AM
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It's not merely about skill at sex, it's about the quality of the man overall. One of the two sexes must attend to reality, and it's obviously not going to women. Men cannot afford to go around in this delusional state all saying we're ''10s''. As a man, I know roughly where I rank in the mate value hierarchy, there are plenty of guys who are just straight up better than me. The higher the number of men a woman has slept with, the more chance there is of there being a guy in there that blows me …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 11:24 PM
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It's with how I rank with other men with her. Her not having been ran through doesn't actually change my ranking, I remain as attractive as I am, with X number of men above me and Y number below. What it does change is how she views me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 09:26 PM
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Men, since they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 09:04 PM
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The honesty, ** chefs kiss. ** It's virtually guaranteed to be the case. She's older now and the previous guys were of the caliber she could get for sex, which is always higher than the caliber she can get for commitment. If you're the guy considering her high enough ranked of your other options at 30 that you might marry her, the guys she could get to fuck her at 20 blow you out of the water.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 08:38 PM
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Shame is a useful social tool for warning people about the negative long term consequences of behaviours. There was a time, for example, when men attending gay orgies would have been viciously shamed, how times have changed. Now society is too cucked to even mention the bare facts about the disastrous health consequences of this degenerate behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 08:33 PM
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i agree denigration and shaming are unnecessary Are they though? I agree that there is a line which shouldn't be crossed, but in fact shame is a useful thing. The opprobrium directed against a behaviour contains useful information when the behaviour has a negative effect. Think of it like telling fat kids that it is not ok to be fat. It might be harsh, but shouldn't there be some warning for the negative consequences coming down the pike? There are health issues later in life, plus the huge disa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 08:30 PM
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Nothing got me triggered, nothing of substance has been said. You were trying to clown on somebody else, and I was pointing out that the effect was undermined by the extremely poor quality of your written english. That is literally all that happened in this exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 12:46 AM
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That was probably just you mouthing the words to yourself like a toddler.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 12:26 AM
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Does that go for you and basic punctuation also?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 11:59 PM
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The term came from Latin and now means a different thing. Don't speak like you know anything about it. You are wholly ignorant of the etymology, I doubt you even knew before i just told you. ​ It doesn't really matter about definitions when it comes to bodily autonomy or anything as grown adults aren't allowed to use bodies without consent either. Definitions always matter. You can basically tell who is right (and often who is good and who evil) by just looking at who is using the euphemisms. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 05:57 PM
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Sorry for using the actual term to describe something that's in the womb and not a baby yet. It's a baby, Foetus is just Latin for baby or offspring. You're arguing over the difference between a thigh bone and femur. Playing with definitions is usually what people do when they want to justify something monstrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 05:28 PM
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(I'm not sure why you're reading to a foetus at all tbh.) Because the baby can hear her and because there are well documented benefits to doing so. You probably have views around abortion and the permissability of murdering unborn babies which causes you to take a cynical view on such things, but they remain true nonetheless. Your use of the cold Latin designation ''foetus'' says it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 05:04 PM
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but do I bear any responsibility in pushing the child to be morefeminine/masculine with what I expose him/her to before him/her candecide ? Yes, assume that your child will be a normal member of his or her sex. Regardless of what the gender lunatics say, life will be far easier and better for somebody who adheres to traditional sex roles. You just get better outcomes in life as a man if you are masculine and better outcomes as a woman if you are feminine. Children need guidance, not endless opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 04:29 PM
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So, the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 09:11 PM
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This is not a bitch and moan party. It's good that you said that, because it's really not obvious from reading your comment that it's not a bitch and moan party.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 07:11 PM
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The no. 1 death case in pregnant women is domestic violence. An odd way of saying homicide risk goes up by about 20%, remaining well below the average homicide risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 04:21 PM
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Men don't neccessarily have relationship options, it's entirely possible to be without both, as a man. What is true is that any man that does have sexual options also has relationship options. The gulf between these two things that exists for women does not exist for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 01:13 AM
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''Water isn't a thing'' says the fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 01:10 AM
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It's very doubtful that it's really by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:46 PM
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Less than half? You're being way too generous there. I'd wager it's less than 10%.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:36 PM
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I take a much broader view of TRP. In fact if I ever discuss it outside of this subreddit, I will refer to the red pills, plural. As I see it, TBP is virtually just another word for the overton window, with TRP being a rejection of it's legitimacy and embrace of views outside of it that one believes to be accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:31 PM
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Right, but that's all a load of nonsense and delusion. Blue Pill is it's own thing, it's the vague canon of acceptable beliefs and opinions within the current overton window. Normies have predictable and largely uniform beliefs, not just on dating, but on a whole host of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:08 PM
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One thing I've noticed from primarily women on this sub is that they label reproduction strategies that oppose their own strategy to be "redpilled", and they consider their own reproductive strategies to be "blue-pilled" I would argue they are not wrong to do this. From a RP perspective, TBP is just all the normie shit that we're all expected to believe, ie the vague canon of acceptable thought and opinion. Well, today that basically constitutes ''women's imperatives are correct and should be ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:21 PM
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They more or less do though. Yes, not everybody has exactly the same beliefs. But there is a vague canon of ''acceptable belief'' that most normies subscribe to without much thought, and it is this that TRP refers to as the ''Blue Pill''. It is precisely the red pill's deviation from this set of commonly accepted beliefs and axioms which produces the level of vitriol against it. If TRP was not transgressing a set of social norms it wouldn't be considered as akin to heresy, which it obviously is.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:15 PM
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BS. We men are equally hypocritical, TRP just isn't concerned with our hyporcrisy. The entire mainstream discourse on everything has that covered.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:05 PM
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It does seem like the kind of thing that would be a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 12:11 AM
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Fair enough, so long as you're admitting that it was, in fact, a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:53 PM
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That's not a clarification, that's you adding a hedge because your original statement is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:26 PM
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Going out doesn't involve interaction either, nor does receiving attention ​ Going out doesn't have to involve interaction, nor does receiving attention I think I've seen these before, aren't these on IQ tests? You have to spot where the difference is between the two statements that changes the meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:32 PM
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What's the point you're making?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:25 PM
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Do you actualy believe the nonsense you are typing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:12 PM
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This. I can go out to a bar or a club as a man and not be ''in the game'', because merely being there is not the final step in the process for me, I need to initiate. For a woman, merely dressing up and going to such a place is being in the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:10 PM
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If your girl goes out to bars and clubs she's not your girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:02 PM
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Women go out to have fun NOT for attention from men 🙄 Lies this blatant are why the Red Pill is thriving.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:02 PM
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Thanks, now I have the proper name for that. I see it so often around here. The most common one is ''that isn't true, besides, men do it as well.''
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:57 PM
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They're basically just telling you what they would be doing with your level of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:37 AM
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Well the 'official' line on this is that all female-favouring double standards are fine and all male-favouring double standards are terrible injustices that need to called out and stamped out as much as possible. Generally I think men accept women's double standards and only really point them out in an attempt to get them to shut up about our double standards. For example I don't see men generally taking issue with the courage double standard (cowardice is a huge flaw in a man but not in a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:21 AM
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No you wouldn't, and I have to speak about it obliquely or the Mods will censor me, as you well know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 11:46 PM
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Paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 09:11 PM
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Men obviously understand more than themselves given that they built everything and hold up the sky.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 07:14 PM
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Are you British or do you live in Britain?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:54 PM
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I mean the actual British people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:48 PM
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Harry is a spineless simp and a national laughing stock. Over here in Britain we're all waiting for Meghan to put him out of his misery and divorce him so he can come crawling back to the Royal Family.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:05 PM
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It’s not a theory. Look at Afghanistan, counties in Africa with FGM I mean we have MGM here in the West and nobody gives a shit so...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:24 PM
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Having children outside of your marriage as a man is equally as bad. It absolutely is not, It does not directly take away from the woman's biological legacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:09 PM
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The issue is some men who have issues with dating are neither nice (hate that word), attentive, nor articulate in addition to not being attractive. But we're not ready to have that discussion yet. What the fuck are you talking about? The official line on sexually unsuccessful men, and the fact that the sexual underclass is near exclusively male is exactly that they're all bad people with severe personality flaws that are their own fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:30 PM
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The collapse of the indigenous ethnic majority into just one of a bunch of squabbling minority groups. In my country (The UK) we recently got our latest census which shows that ethnic English people now make up only 75% of the population of England, and falling rapidly. Already a minority in the capital and getting very close in several other cities. God knows what the 2041 census data will look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:17 PM
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Women on OLD use plenty of filters too. And this just so happens to nudge the ratings into being a perfect normal distribution?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:04 AM
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Yes, which as I see it is partly a reaction to womens cynicism and partly to their fraud. Their cynicism is a reaction to ours Yes, in other words we are in the grip of a behavioural sink of ever greater cynicism and exploitativeness. We are caught in an arms race of ''who can care less'', and everybody is suffering as a result. I don't think there is really anybody who says that the current state of the sexual marketplace is healthy. The sexual revolution was a horrible, horrible error.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:04 AM
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So they're an artefact of OLD but they just so happen to be a normal distribution? It's your claim that men have a skewed view of average, but that there is a factor present with OLD that happens to modify our ratings just the right amount to make them look like a perfect representation of true average?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:59 AM
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Your tone says otherwise. Ah, it's not what I said it's how I said it? Are you sure you're a man? ​ Enforcing boundaries in a situation where someone has attempted to violate them or just excluding ugly or lackluster men? I'm referring to the common scenario of woman gets with obvious player knowing what's coming, has her fun, reaches the bad outcome at the end that she knew was coming and then goes looking for whose fault all this is. It can't be that she knew this was coming down the pike and …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:57 AM
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Yeah, men's ratings of women are so skewed because of your subjective opinions, when in reality men rate women on a bell curve, so basically we know for a fact that men's ratings are fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:49 AM
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The market is prolific with fraud. It's buyer beware. Yes, in a market rife with fraud, the game theory optimal adjustment is to increase one's default level of cynicism. Hence TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:40 AM
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I have no problem with women having whatever boundaries they like, you've read that into what I said because your reading comprehension is poor and you are motivated to find fault. What I am critiquing is the same thing that OP was critiquing, that being the tendency of women to blame their inability (unwillingness) to enforce boundaries with certain men (Chad) on ''socialization''. Like I said, it's just a catch all excuse to avoid responsibility when they're feeling bad about having been playe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:34 AM
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Women have all kinds of boundaries for men they aren't attracted to, not shy about enforcing them either, as you mentioned. They have no boundaries for Chad, the ''socialised to be this way'' line is just a catch all excuse that women use to handwave whatever negative behaviour they can't plausibly deny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:14 AM
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If the marketplace is totally unregulated fraud will proliferate, look at the crypto/NFT space to see how scammy a market will become if it's a complete free for all. The argument I am making is that the mating market is now sufficiently unregulated that exploitative strategies have proliferated to the point where the buyer and the seller are basically enemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:06 AM
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I mean stats consistently show that it's women who have a deluded sense of who is physically attractive or not. Obviously from your end it will seem like the reverse is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:54 AM
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Because numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:16 PM
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It's not going to bring her peace of mind, since I could cheat in the future. If there was a test she could take that tells her whether I will ever abandon the family, with 99.9% certainty (the true equivalent to what you're suggesting), I'd be happy with her taking it before we got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:12 PM
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I'm perfectly prepared to engage, as evidenced by the long exchange that you butted into with your moronic take. What you have to say just has to not be obvious drivel within twenty words, especially when you leave such a long reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:54 PM
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I'm well aware, the future is further atomization followed by demographic collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:51 PM
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I stopped reading after the first few lines of jibberish.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:49 PM
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The problem is men, imo. This is coming from one. That's lucky, I was worried our unbroken streak of being at fault for everything was in jeopardy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:36 PM
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It's the west, you arent starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:33 PM
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Logical consequences are a patriarchal conspiracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:22 PM
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Anybody below the 90th percentile in physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:05 PM
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They're more sympathetic I think, and people confuse and conflate the two terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:53 PM
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“Hey I think you’re cool and I like hanging out with you, but I just want to be clear I’m not looking for a serious relationship. If you’re cool with keeping it casual I’d like to continue seeing you.” Such a statement is so banal and commonplace as to mean virtually nothing. The standard way relationships form now is: meet person begin banging see if it goes further Basically, the majority of relationships start out as something casual, vaguely saying you want to ''keep it casual'' doesn't real…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:33 PM
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I don't need to imagine it, I just did it, and I stand by it. I doubt you can say the same about your absurd media comment, virtually nobody trusts the media.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:56 PM
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I guess I disagree that the two examples are exact equivalents. Well I put that down to your female in-group bias causing you to assume a greater degree of direct deception on the part of the man. Both situations are far more about the exploitation of ambiguity and simply not dispelling the illusions of the other side than they are about directly deception. Is your position that a man is required to reveal his hand by basically telling a woman ''I'm just looking to fuck you, there's no chance I …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:17 PM
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That's why we have media Imagine unironically suggesting that the media is to trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:09 PM
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I recognize sarcasm, but you were genuinely making the point. The point would be fair to raise in another context after all, there could well be selfish motives behind my arguments, with me simply putting forward the best sounding parts and deemphasising the rest. My contention was only with how you suddenly aquired a perfect understanding of my point when one reply back up the chain you're playing dumb about it. I believe you understood all along and were being intentionally obtuse to avoid ans…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:00 PM
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Not all of us accept the feminist conspiracy theory of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:54 PM
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Never been, don't know. But then...neither do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:53 PM
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But are the men who subscribe to OnlyFans tricked into thinking they are getting a meaningful relationship from the performer? Or is it transactional, like a lap dance from a stripper or an encounter with a prostitute? You're allowing for a degree of ambiguity in the one case but not the other. The two cases are exact equivalents. A man may or may not have to directly lie to a woman in order to pump and dump her. Personally, I do not think this significantly alters the morality of what happens. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:48 PM
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Widespread and severe disapproval of premarital and extramarital sex. Parents and elders heavily involved in finding partners for the young. Very restrictive laws around granting divorce. Presumption of father custody of children when divorce does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:28 PM
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I'm not prepared to explain the basic point of men and women having competing mating strategies, it would just take too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:08 PM
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Those are not analagous examples. The analogy of the man who misleads a woman about his intentions towards her once he gets sex is the woman who misleads a man about his chances with her in order to extract value in the meantime. Women do vociferously defend their right to exploit the advantage they have over men due to male sexual desire. They defend their right to exploit simps and lonely guys by extracting money and validation from men. As far as women are concerned, it's caveat emptor, it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:08 PM
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I'd have it regulated the way it was before 1950, not in the smut novel you pleasure yourself to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:07 PM
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It could be, if you want to level that charge you're free to present your arguments. Simply stating that it's the case is insufficient. Don't think I don't see what you've done by the way. All of a sudden you understand exactly what I'm getting at, but only because you've seen an opportunity to turn the argument back on me. Prior to this your strategy was to play dumb and pretend not to understand, but now you see an advantage, the act drops and we're way off topic. If you want an answer to why …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:50 PM
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Human beings have a tendency to conceal their baser desires behind noble sounding rhetoric, it is a very common failing. If you are unaware of that then it is possible that your 'lady-brain' is in fact as useless as you were suggesting. I think you are well aware of what I am getting at and are only pretending to be obtuse on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:36 PM
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That's true but we shouldn't have opposing goals. Where do you get this 'should' from? The fact is we do have opposing goals to some extent. The question is what to do about it? One answer was the pre sexual revolution setup, as I alluded to in my post. That's been demolished and so we're sliding back into the default arrangement of contesting imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:23 PM
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The analogy works better my way. The goal is an inanimate object with no agency, that plays no active part in the game, not something with it's own imperative that has to be contended with. The opposite sex are clearly players in their own right.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:12 PM
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That's the self-serving feminist narrative about what the feminist fantasy is. This isn't the place to just trot it out as though it's going to be accepted unquestioningly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:57 PM
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I agree those things alter the incentive structure, but I think it's arguable whether they should be classed as marketplace regulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:23 PM
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You sure you're in the right place?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:17 PM
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Oh come on, don't tell me it's over already? I was really enjoying this little circle jerk over how beastly my view is, with absolutely nothing even approaching a logical argument against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:13 PM
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You've got nothing to say worth responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:05 PM
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It's the mental health issue of being a man and operating under a different set of biological imperatives. It comes with the ability to experience empathy, which is why I understand your view, and you can't understand mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:59 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A99G6O721gA
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:53 PM
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The word “opposition” is a bit harsh, but it is spot on that in our nature men and women have different sexual strategies, that directly oppose each other. Strange that you take issue with my use of the word opposition but then overstate my case. I wouldn't actually agree that men's and women's strategies ''directly opposes each other'', only that are imperfectly aligned, and that the area of misalignment creates points of conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:42 PM
1

You might as well ask why you want to score against the goalie.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:38 PM
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Men still rate women on a near perfect bell curve though. The only two possible explanations for this are either that the women in OLD are above average (todays fat 'average') by the exact coincidental margin that would make them 'true average', or that men's perception of average has adjusted to the new norm of fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:37 PM
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Agreed. A good example of this was this recent post where many women were saying things like ''obviously, why wouldn't I just do whatever I perceive to be best for me''. Meanwhile, they seem to expect men to factor concepts like fairness or abstract justice into our conduct. They want to play the game totally ruthlessly, but then want us to play softball with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:29 PM
1

If I win the lottery though I would, but most people with jobs or careers would quit if they wont the lottery Interesting that you'd mention that, I virtually define a career as something you would still do, at least to some extent, if you won the lottery. If you'd quit as soon as you had limitless money, then you don't really want to do it, you're just required to do it because you need money. Quitting that thing is therefore a privilege, and not a sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:25 PM
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I'm not saying that all interaction with women is wasted time if it doesn't lead to sex. If I'm at a bar, I'm happy to talk to people. I'll talk to other guys, I'll talk to girls I'm not interested in, not all socialization has the objective of getting to sex. That said, if I 'shoot my shot', you know what I'm interested in. I'm not interested in aquiring another friend or aquaintance, I have enough of those. You aren't interested in the things I'm interested in, we don't have a lot in common, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:17 PM
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By far the biggest benefit of it in my experience has been the increase in my ability to recognize which women are going to waste my time. In terms of whether knowing these things has made me more attractive, I don't know, or I'd say only marginally. In my experience it's more to do with grading the quality of opportunities than creating more opportunities. What it definitely has done is prevent me from sinking time into women who were only marginally interested. The ROI on that is ruinously bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:58 PM
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That's exactly it. If women were able to just share all the top guys in silence I would have way less of an issue. Really, the current state of sexual marketplace is genuinely good for very, very few people. It's not good for most men, it's not good for children, and it's not good for women over the long run. It's designed to be good for the feminist fantasy of what a woman should be like; the woman genuinely able to enjoy casual sex like a man without experiencing pain and emotional turmoil. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:51 PM
1

Far too high praise, I would never presume to count myself as a member of that august band except in my fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:45 PM
1

Total war is better than the current status quo of total, preemptive male capitulation and surrender on every issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:39 PM
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Most people do have careers. If you're working in the same field, working your way up, that's a career. Teachers, lawyers, insurance specialists all have careers. I'm not denying that lawyer is a career. I have no idea what an insurance specialist is, that sounds like classic job title inflation to me. Teacher is a job. The vast majority of people have jobs, not careers. A job is a task somebody has to be paid to do because they wouldn't do it otherwise. Giving that up is not a sacrifice. Escapi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:32 PM
1

I think it's pretty clear where Western Civilization is headed at this point; total demographic collapse and replacement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:01 PM
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sacrifice careers to stay with partners, sacrifice to raise for children Oh please, would you women cut it out with this 'career' business? Almost nobody has a career, what people have are jobs. What women are doing 90% of the time is to stop working a job, but that makes it sound like a lot less of a sacrifice, and more as a privilege and a benefit being underwritten by the party still working (the man).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:53 PM
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The only winning strategy is to wait until late 30's and offer security and fidelity to an aging and anxious woman. That's not a winning strategy, that's a loss condition. It should come with a Game Over message honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:02 PM
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There are no guarantees in life. The advice of to go for guys outside the slim percentage who have endless options if you want to change your luck is still good for those women finding themselves constantly in 'situationships' and never getting commitment. I get that women resist this advice because they don't want to implement it, and are experts at coming up with reaons why it ''wouldn't work anyway'' but that is all just delusion and rationalization. To be clear, the other option of just shut…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:31 PM
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There’s different ways to start a family, which can be through adoption or IVF. You can buy a house as a single applicant. Yeah, imagine caring about the welfare of your child.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:05 PM
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Plenty of hot tall men get married and don’t cheat. Yes, and are then off the market. ​ I don’t know why you think it’s “common sense” that a man being hot automatically means he doesn’t want a family, I would want evidence to believe that. It doesn't and I never said that. The point is that numbers are a thing, there are not enough hot guys to have a monogamous family with every average woman. Therefore, if you are an average woman and you want a hot guy, you will end up sharing him one way or …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:28 PM
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I don’t think there is any evidence less attractive people will be better partners or not ghost. I'm not sure about evidence, there is basic common sense though. That tall, smooth talking player that has all the other girls giving him the side-eye? Yeah, he's not going to commit, shocker I know. You're free to go for it anyway, just don't expect much sympathy for your after-the-fact wailing about how you got 'played' or 'used', and expect other men to react poorly to your generalizations about h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:06 PM
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Yes that's fine, but when Miss Basic Bitch McSide-Chick rolls around with all her predictable whining about 'men aint shit', 'what happened to men?', 'why don't these men know how to treat women these days?', 'who is raising these men today?', and on and on and fucking on, as you are well aware they commonly do, telling them to shop in their price range is a reasonable response. That is all OP was saying, but women will hysterically act like you're saying ''you need to dredge the bottom of the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:54 PM
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You really think any woman would follow the suggestion to leave her boyfriend, who you consider “out of her league”, for someone less attractive to her that you consider in her league? Why on earth would she do that? Because we're not talking about the women with 'boyfriends', we're talking about the endless hordes of deluded side chicks whining about being 'played', 'cheated on', 'ghosted', 'used' etc, and they do whine. That is the context in which this advice is given, not 'leave your long te…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:32 PM
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Surveys...so worthless, and not even linked. What the hell even is this garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:47 PM
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People who often believe things that are disproven by facts and data (blue pillers, leftists etc) have basically decided that the ''correlation does not equal causation'' line is a universal handwave for everything they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:42 AM
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We had it, it was called marriage, that's the compromise that gets both sides most of what they want. The problem is that women today think that their hand is so strong they don't need to compromise and can simply dictate everything their own way. This has some truth to it while they are young, but it doesn't work out in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:27 AM
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And if you have insufficient control over your libido to prevent it from forcing you into bad decisions, then you don't get to whine when you get blamed for the outcome of those decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:30 AM
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Right, and I'm saying if more women could do that with less of the absurd wailing about being 'played' or 'used' or 'cheated on' (lol, how does a side piece get cheated on anyway?) etc it would be much easier to accept as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:22 AM
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I'll do you one better. I'll endorse the whole Christian ''wait until you get a wedding to weed out the men who just want sex'' thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:12 AM
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It means you have all the responsibility in the relationship and get blamed for not being able to discern a man's entire character with 10 seconds of meeting him. Nobody says you have to do it within 10 seconds, just before sleeping him him. It's not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:52 AM
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So it's your position that every woman is able to attract the men they are actually attracted to for a relationship? There is no woman unable to do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:49 AM
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30 points is way too many, I don't need to make any compromises.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:33 AM
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Men define love largely through sacrifice. Women define love the same way; through the man's willingness to sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:29 AM
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Sure they can An excellent example of female delusion: the need to contradict a statement which, being hedged with 'many', is neccessarily true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:27 AM
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It’s problem of living in a patriarchal society where a lot of men feel they are so entitled to a woman’s time and body that they respond violently. It's hard to take the rest of what you say seriously when you spout absolute garbage like this. Why are you so desperate to link bad things to your favourite lefty buzzwords? Do you have similar conspiracy theories that explain the occurance of all crimes? Does the carjacker have some philosophical position behind his theft of the car? Can't it just…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:03 AM
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Whenever, it's not like you're going to get another shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 09:55 PM
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Right, right, you can't even understand what I'm saying when given a detailed explanation and are just responding to keywords. You've literally reached a new level of NPC: chat-bot tier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 09:01 PM
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That wasn't my point. The commenter said she'd rather share a top man than have a loser to herself. Well, sharing the top man comes with having no leverage, which usually means being treated as a disposable option. My point was that if women could actually share the top guys without all the after-the-fact whining about being cheated on, ghosted, 'used' etc, it would be much easier to accept for the rest of us. You seem to be saying that you disagree with the premise of ''better to be Chad's side…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 08:39 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 08:15 PM
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…which is very much like humans! Because even in “the animal kingdom”, that competition is between males for females, and between females for males. False. There is both intrasexual and intersexual competition, the imperatives of males and females are very seldom exactly aligned. A case can be made for those few strictly monogamous species (of which humans are not one), but not in general. ​ But the premise I'm arguing against is that men are in somehow competition with women. They are, intersex…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:56 PM
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Then you are using a non-standard definition. Normie is a scornful epithet used mostly by far right types to describe the mass of oblivious cattle who hold all of the safe and popular opinions. If we take your definition, my question to you would be: how did these people come to the ridiculous opinion that the mating game is not, fundamentally, a competition? As I said, you can turn on a nature documentary and see very frank and open discussion of it in the animal kingdom. My take would be that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:48 PM
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What makes you think you’re the only person using critical thinking about thinking? Nothing, because I don't think that. That's just your idiotic strawman of my position, I've honestly no idea why you'd present it to me. ​ Who's ''we'' in this scnario? People in the habit of forming opinions independant of the herd consensus, critical thinkers, player characters, non-normies. ​ While it's true that there are plenty of fools in every demographic (without exception!), there are also sane, healthy,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:04 PM
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'The' problem or your problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:49 PM
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People who mindlessly accept and parrot whatever they perceive to be the 'safe', dominant, or socially acceptable view on everything are the equivalent of drooling cattle in my opinion. It has nothing to do with relationship status. We have seen how easly coralled these NPCs are with the recent pandemic, and now that they've been told that they care about Ukraine, the rest of us also have to hear their ignorant lowing on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:46 PM
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And it’s less that people are “okay” that “women have an advantage” so much as normies don’t tend to view dating as a competition to start with. So? Normies believe all sorts of preposterous rubbish, that's how they earned the contemptuous epithet in the first place. Turn on Nat Geo or watch a David Attenborough documentary and you'll see that those in the know have no problem describing the competitive nature (both intrasexual and intersexual) of the game of reproduction. The fact that the droo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:51 PM
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I love how everybody is fine with the inherent power imbalance that exists in the sexual marketplace (since it's the 'right' way around, favouring women) but anything a man might do to shift things in his favour, such as going to an impoverished country where he is rich in relative terms, is some kind of awful crime. Basically what you're saying is that women are simply entitled to play the mating game with a huge advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:38 PM
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If more women could take this line openly, but more importantly, do so in silence (ie without the absurd wailing about 'abuse' and 'toxic men' and 'the bar is so low' yadda yadda) it would actually be far, far easier to accept as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:28 PM
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It's amazing how easily men's interests, and egregious abuses against men, get handwaved.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:15 PM
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And if you asked most men whether they'd rather be jumped and beaten or spend a decade plus unwittingly raising children that are not their's they would tell you they would rather go through the beating a hundred times over.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:13 PM
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Chill bro, it's not even close. Tell me, if you had the choice between being violently and brutally gang raped, or spending ten years of your life unwittingly raising children that are not yours, which would you choose? For me it is 'not even close' just in the opposite direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:02 PM
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Yes, in doing so they are actually exploding their claims of being a group concerned with 'equality' and openly declaring themselves to be simply a female special interest lobby, which is of course what they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:38 PM
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That's what I was thinking as well, thank God men don't have a body positivity movement telling them that being a fat sack of shit is ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:48 AM
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Only Leftist designated Evil Groups (primarily men and whites) are subject to collective responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:14 AM
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As completely idiotic and presposterous as this post is, I will admit that I far prefer attempts by women to justify the absolutely blatant societal double standards and pro-female pandering that goes on to the absurd denials that we get around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:09 AM
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Are you an ancap?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 07:52 PM
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“Blah blah blah but I don’t believe you decoy! ” is a poor argument. Continue to believe your bullshit imagining of my intent because not accepting a clarification is unsurprising but bad faith way to hold onto to your ‘obliteration’. You had your opportunity to claim it was a simple mistake and that you misspoke after I originally contradicted your claim. The fact that you failed to do so, forced me to give a detailed explanation of why you were wrong and only then admitted it destroys the cred…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:49 PM
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Actually what happened was you were drawing all sorts of moronic conclusions from a data set, that can't be drawn from it. First that it has something to say about cheating frequency, then that it can give you some kind of accurate account of paternity fraud in the general population. ​ Aaahhh you got me!!! I said “cheating” when I should have said “babyfrauding”, therefore my entire point is obliterated! That admission would seem to conflict with what you are now saying about me not obliteratin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 07:42 PM
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Aahhhh here we go with the “gyno conspiracy”. Every time. Such dismissals work better when they don't come at the end of an exchange in which I obliterated you on every single point. Which of us is seeing reality more clearly is demonstrated by how poorly your sloppy and stupid opinions stood up under my scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 06:57 PM
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/thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 05:27 PM
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Whatever the reason is why you sympathise with the ''have nots'' in other areas...that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 05:26 PM
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That's for you to decide, and in any case is something to be determined on a case by case basis. Mostly my take away from the stats is that paternity fraud is exactly the sort of thing that would be a major societal issue if the other side was getting the shit end. Since men's interests have zero weight in the gynocentric social order, Western societies are content to accept widespread exploitation of men by women, indefinitely and without comment. This is in exactly the same way as they are con…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 04:37 PM
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I'm not confused at all, I understand that there is a selection bias. This is why I said that the rate of false paternity is at most 30%, and very likely lower. You cannot know how much lower it is though, you are just guessing. There is nothing in the data that tells us what the rate would be if we looked at the general population. It's just ''some amount lower'', but you have no way of knowing how much. My point is there is plenty of room for it to be below 30% and still be very high. If it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 04:02 PM
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I never denied that I said the wrong word. I never said you denied it. My point is that the explanation ''I used the wrong word'' doesn't work once what you said was repeated back to you and you still acted like it was correct. ​ It shows us that successful babyfrauding is rare at the very least. That depends entirely on your definition of rare. I agree that a reasonable conclusion to draw is that the rate of false paternity is at most 30%, and very likely lower than that. However, 30% is an ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 03:36 PM
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Eyeballs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:50 PM
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If a man and woman simply didn’t know each other and start dating each other later in life, fair enough. But many times there’s the case of a guy not being seen as a viable partner when he’s younger, less attractive, has less accolades, more awkward etc. then being “given a chance” later in life when he finds more success for himself. I wouldn't even concede that honestly. A lot of the time the woman will basically tell you, in the course of laying out how toxic and awful her exes allegedly were…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:47 PM
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So much text and paragraphs about a misspoken word. I told you, you vitiated your right to say you 'misspoke' when you acted like I was tripping for stating that the data does not prove what you said. ​ What do you think my point is? Allowing for your correction, you said that 30% of the time that men suspect ''babyfrauding'' they are correct, and 70% of the time they are incorrect. I am saying that this is still false if we assume my definition of paternity fraud which includes those situations…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:21 PM
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Indeed, next time maybe you will read your statement back to ensure that it isn't as catastrophically stupid as your opponent is implying. The thing is though, even if you did say ''babyfrauding'' that still does not salvage your point. An honest person will include under the rubric ''babyfrauding'' any scenario where there is another candidate for fatherhood, and this is not disclosed. If there is another man who could be the father, even if the mother does not know for sure, even if the probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 12:42 PM
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It's obvious why what you said was stupid, merely reading it back should have alerted you to that fact. By replying with anything other than a correction, you now forgo your right to claim that you 'misspoke'. 30% of paternity tests coming back saying the man is not the father has almost nothing to do with how many men are 'correct about cheating'. The tests aren't even about who has cheated, they are about whether a given man is the father of a given child. A lot of the time the man will actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 10:55 AM
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Which is why women make dude go through hoops and hoops to try to weed through the dudes just sticking around for a quick lay. They make unattractive guys go through hoops to try and weed out the unattractive guys just looking for a quick lay you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 03:13 AM
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Among the younger generation it's a mix of serial monogamy and hookup culture. As people get older they are increasingly graduating into cohabitation without marriage rather than marriage itself. These arrangements are, naturally, less stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 12:15 AM
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What's the reasoning and is infidelity more rampant there or what? I don't know if you mean the French in particular but I remember hearing a joke that basically went; God went around offering various peoples commandments, and they kept rejecting them for various reasons that play on the sterotypes about that group. He offered the French the ''Thou shalt not commit adultery'' commandment, and the French were like ''What? No adultery? Fuck that''. I can't remember the whole joke but the punchline…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:17 PM
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Nope. That's not to say you can't get it done if you're really determined. In France the tests are just outright illegal. I remember reading about a company in Switzerland that does paternity tests, you can have them send you the swabs and such and then send it off to them and they'll give you the results. As I recall 30% of their business is from Frenchmen having to get the tests done out of the country. The courts won't accept any such results, of course. A law change purely for the benefit of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:51 PM
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In other words, women get men's money in divorce, but they're as bad with that money as they are with the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:42 PM
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In a lot of countries, including my own (the UK), paternity tests cannot be performed without the consent of the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:39 PM
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One involves women being harmed, the other involves men being harmed. Those two things are nothing alike, one is a thousand times worse than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:20 PM
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30% is low considering it’s shows that 30% of the men who suspected cheating were correct. It shows no such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 09:48 PM
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Wow, that's an unexpected response. I guess your flair checks out then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:53 PM
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Yes, in other words, men's interests are extremely easily trumped by other considerations. ''What about the woman? What about the child? What about the taxpayer? What about society?'' An individual man's interests take a backseat to anything and eveything else. Notice how none of this means shit if female interests are what's at issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:47 PM
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Right, I'm sure this ''protect other men'' line is going to come up in lots of other situations where the man's alleged interests don't conveniently align with what a woman wants? That's why there is legislation protecting men from paternity fraud after all...oh wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:16 PM
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If she didn't like it she could get am abortion or put the child up for adoption. If she chooses to not do these things there is no reason to hold the man liable for her choice. I also love the way you gloss over the clear implication in that story that the woman didn't even tell the man he had a child, she had the kid withoutn telling him then turned up years later when she needed money. What if he'd wanted to be involved with his child for those four years? Oh I forgot men's interests have zer…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:14 PM
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You assume that because men pass the laws, that they do so to pander to men as a group, because that is what you would do. In fact the laws pander to women, men do not have a huge, automatic in group bias the way women do. Men in power do not cater to other men, they cater to women, other men are competition. You are just projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:11 PM
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Artificial ones enforced by the gynocentric social order.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:14 PM
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The issue is at least partly illuminated by the way you put the word rejected in scare quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:11 PM
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The dividing line between Red and Blue Pill could be demonstrated by how each would respond to that data. A blue piller would say; ''see, look, looks matter to both men and women, the RP is just some basic shit that everybody knows'' A red piller would point out that while top 10% women get 2.5 times as much action as 50th percentile women, top 10% men get 6 times as much action as 50th percentile men. Those stats show that being an average man is equivalent to being a bottom 10% woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:10 PM
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Blue pill is factory settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:01 PM
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One of the best comments I've ever seen on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:41 PM
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Ah yes, the fallacy fallacy; another common refrain of the midwit. If your reading comprehension were better you would have understood that I attacked both you and your argument. I explained why what you said was idiotic and then drew conclusions about your intelligence and character based upon how idiotic it was. Try to keep up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 01:28 PM
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Actually, none of what I wrote is cynicism. It's all cynicism based on the actual definition of that word, and your last reply is just another huge dose of the same. Arguing that it's true doesn't make it not a purely cynical take. Your failure to recognize that confirms you as exactly what I suspected; a second rate (at best) mind trying to sound smarter than you are using the tiresomely common tactic of simply endorsing the maximally cynical line on things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:53 AM
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Ah, yes, cynicism; the counterfiet wisdom of fools and scoundrels.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:27 AM
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What a load of nonsense, marrying such an evil man is an obvious mistake. Trying to paint it as anything but that is complicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:00 AM
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You done fucked up, you are engaged to a bad man. He clearly doesn't care about you or your feelings, it's all about getting what he wants, and what he's asking for is bad in it's own right. Young as you are, it probably feels like he's the love of your life and irreplaceable, but this man will make a terrible husband and father. If you stay with him to try and avoid the pain of this breakup (which will be horrific) you are storing up a world of hurt for yourself later on. If you allow yourself …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 01:56 AM
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That’s such a weird take. Not everyone is a normie. Do you study other subjects or are you anti-academia? I am anti-academia. The Universities are largely corrupt. Do you read as a hobby? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 02:10 AM
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What did you think social sciences were? Well, not Humanities for a start. Social sciences is subjects like sociology, psychology, and economics. These are now largely corrupt enterprises as I said, more or less completely captured by Leftist political ideology. The same is largely true of the Humanities. Study of history should basically be limited to primary sources or things written before WW2.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:59 AM
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I see, thanks for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:44 AM
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No they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:36 AM
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When did we start talking about history and philosophy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:06 AM
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I mean don’t social scientists all do this? Talk about why people act certain ways? Maybe, I don't pay too much attention to ''social scientists'' since I regard their profession as fundamentally a corrupt enterprise. All I was pointing out was how easily you rob women of their agency, it's an inevitable consequence of wanting to blame men for everything. If men are to blame for everything then only we are the true humans, and women are basically like rocks or furniture. Wanting to blame men for…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 12:28 AM
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I don’t understand what responsibility has to do w sexual interests? It's pretty simple, you attribute female sexual behaviour to outside forces, as though women are puppets with zero agency. Feminists often do this because they can't accept that a woman is ever responsible for anything that they disaprove of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 12:13 AM
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My side is red pill, manosphere, far right, tradcon, apparently we're all misogynists. I seem to have a little more respect for female agency than you though and I notice that is a common theme. Your desire to relieve women of all responsibility means you inevitably end up talking about them like they are infants at best, or inanimate objects at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 12:01 AM
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It was relevant since you asked for clarification, I gave you the breakdown of what I was getting at in more detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:54 PM
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I never claimed you called me an incel, I merely pointed out that this label gets thrown about a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:52 PM
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Could you at least give us some of the rarer NPC responses?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:50 PM
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I'm not sure I can completely glean the answer to my question from what you wrote. Is it the case that you were paralyzed due to child sexual abuse, or did you actually resist physically and she overpowered you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:49 PM
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I'm actually quite amazed by some of the answers on here, including yours. Apparently I, and any other man with ideas women don't like, is an incel who has never gotten any action. But the thing is, then we get answers like yours which really sound like they are purely the product of theory, and not of experience. So all that theorizing sounds great, then you actually get into bed with a woman and it's just fucking obvious what the deal is. It's obvious who the dominant party is, it's obvious wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:45 PM
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It's funny, apparently it's my side that's full of misogynists yet people like you really do see women as just leaves in the wind. Zero agency, just blown this way and that, totally at the whims of outside forces.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:40 PM
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Yeah, all of that sounds great, then you actually have sex with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:32 PM
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I said so in the comment chain that inspired me to make this post and I'll say it again here: anyone who thinks that women don't want to be degraded during sex has never slept with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:31 PM
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There are so many men who enjoy being dominated by women. There's so many people in the world, there's lots of everything, doesn't mean it's the norm. ​ Also, how can sex be inherently degrading between a man and a woman when a woman rapes the man? We aren't talking about edge cases. Also, everything you have said presupposes that the answer I presented is an unqualified yes, revealing either that you didn't read it all (but feel the need to post a reply anyway), or that you didn't understand wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:05 PM
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I completely depends on the relationship and situation. That's the point I was making in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:43 PM
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Nobody asked you idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:53 PM
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Yes that's why the title of my post is ''Is sex inherently degrading to women'' and not ''Sex is inherently degrading to women''. The conclusion I present is that it is not inherently degrading.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:42 PM
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I thought you didn't have time to educate me? Does 'Good day' mean something else in Pinko?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:39 PM
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If that's your position you agree with my entire post. It's all just a defence of that basic idea, with explanations and an illustrative analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:37 PM
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Fewer Pinkos in my post thread is a win, shame you aren't so easily expelled from the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:30 PM
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Sex education is propaganda for promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:25 PM
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My twisted ideology is just something people have thought for thousands of years. Just because you're delusional and don't like it doesn;t make it false.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:24 PM
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Enjoying submissive or degrading acts has nothing to do with the character of the person. I don't think that's as obvious as you seem to be suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:22 PM
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Insufficient sex education is to blame I guess. Sex education is what George Lukacs, the Hungarian Communist, said it was when he introduced it in Hungary. That being a Communist plot to debauch the young and aid in the overthrow of Christian civilization. Somehow we got on for thousands of years without it, and now we have marriage in freefall, divorce through the roof, and birth rates so low they threaten to collapse our civilization. I think we could do with less of it to be honest, along wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:20 PM
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You whined about my response, and your point didn't even make sense. That's not value.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:15 PM
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It only takes a little imagination to realise that someone can be in complete control over another who is penetrating them. What is this ''can be'' though? I'm interested in is. Are you really saying that the bread and butter, vanilla sex that occurs isn't a woman submitting to a man? We're not talking edge cases here. ​ There's nothing submissive about just being a woman and having sex. That's an extremely unusual position, I can see why a 'radfem' would hold it, but I think most normal people …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:14 PM
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That's fine, when you want to say something of actual value you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:11 PM
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I think that's a total stretch. If my position is a stretch, it's an extremely common one. Your denial of that dynamic is a very strange and fringe position.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:09 PM
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I do get to point out flaws in their reasoning based on the standard meanings of the words they used though, and it doesn't matter if that is above the head of nosy third parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:08 PM
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You'd feel degraded having sex with your husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:44 PM
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Feel free to go back to the colouring books.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:43 PM
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So in short: yes, I think casual sex is degrading for both women and men but I don’t think less of people who do it. This seems like a politically correct dodge, since that is not a coherent position. For an action to be degrading means precisely that it is a thing which if done renders one less respectable. You're basically saying that you think it's degrading, but it's not degrading. I think you're just trying to not be/sound judgemental.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:42 PM
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If you both view the sex act a mutually benefitial then there's nothing degrading about it. If he views you as less than for being female or that he's "getting sex from you" then it adds a more degrading tinge to the experience. Right, that's basically just my position reframed to be more palatable to female sensibilities. The very fact that the sex can be degrading or not depending on the man's attitude towards the woman basically confirms my position, because the same is not true in reverse. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:30 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, how was she able to accomplish this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:26 PM
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Are you saying you're a man who was raped by a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:20 PM
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Right...so if you're fat that's your problem. What are you trying to say? Men aren't dissembling about their preferences. Check out this post where a woman asks for advice, she doesn't even mention her weight, and so many men were saying lose weight that the other women started piping up about ''why are you assuming she's fat''. Men aren't gaslighting, we just say it how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:08 PM
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I'm going to make a post about it, you can reply there if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:42 PM
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Ok and? Do you think men go for personality or something? I don't see where I make that claim. Men aren't the ones gaslighting unattractive women about the reason for their predicament.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:30 PM
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My point is that all of this ''we need to be super careful and picky because men are dangerous'' business only comes up as a reason to reject men who are already being rejected for another, superficial reason. Women don't give a shit about this if the guy is hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:21 PM
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When women have to fear for their safety when they meet men, they will be unnecessarily harsh. Unless he's 6'2'' with a beard ofc, then all that's in the garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:08 PM
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sex is important or when its convenient to women Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:31 PM
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You basically just confirmed what I said above. You think that sex is inherently degrading to women, which means that you are incapable of having respect for anyone you have sex with. If you think that then you didn't understand what I said, or, more likely, you just don't want to understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:25 PM
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and that’s not an insult to any future companions. You aren't the one who get's to decide this. ​ I've never been interested in being degraded. None of my friends are, either I'm going to press X to doubt that. I'm not saying that women ever say they want to be degraded during sex. I'm saying once you have 'four bare legs in a bed' then it all comes out. You're just all so full of shit on this issue. ​ Yes, sex is inherently more vulnerable for women. That doesn't make it degrading Yes it does, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:25 PM
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They have a 400% greater in group bias, they just aren't biologically equipped to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 01:57 PM
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That is how people see it though, one, minor, violent episode by Depp would retroactively justify anything that Amber had done. Instantly it's all his fault and nothing she did matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 01:50 PM
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Not everybody is stupid enough to take feminist buzzwords seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 01:45 PM
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There aren't though. There is no hesitancy to bring up the Chris Brown's of the world. Men get beaten over the head with them daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 01:40 PM
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Eating sashimi and having sex are disanalagous activities. One has significance that the other does not. If I force feed you some sashimi, this is a triviality, if I rape you this is entirely another matter. Why though? They're both just things right? You're being forced to do a thing in either case, why the categorical difference? ​ What you're saying is basically displaying the attitude that all sex is degrading and painful to women, I mean anyone who thinks that women don't like to be degrade…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 01:37 PM
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And I have yet to meet a woman who is a coward. That is a serious contender for the most delusional statement I have ever heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 11:47 PM
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According to the standards they hold for men, they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 11:32 PM
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What's disgusting?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 11:22 PM
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Yes, and it certainly doesn’t mean that she liked, was more attracted to, or respected that other dude more than her current boyfriend. It does though and this is all just squid ink.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:38 PM
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Why is it okay for men to fuck around, but they want women who don’t? Same reason it's fine for women to be cowards and weaklings, but want men who aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:36 PM
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I'll give you a restatement of a reply I gave another guy which I think is pertinent to your situation: ​ Your reply reminds me of some reading I was doing on rhetoric. It was claimed that an analogy should never be the core of your case, but only a supporting element. This is because, since it is in the nature of an analogy that the two things being compared will not be identical, a sufficiently dishonest opponent, or one who just doesn't want to accept your conclusion, can always simply seize …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 07:14 PM
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If you got confusion from my last reply, rather than contempt, I think you're the one who is confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 06:28 PM
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Just stop talking, you sound like an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 05:58 PM
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Wow you keep missing my point so hard. Like I tried explaining earlier, sex != attraction. Women don’t jump on the opportunity to have sex with every man they are attracted to. This is just gobbledygook. To be sexually attractive means other people want to have sex with you. She obviously wanted to have sex with the other guy more than the current guy, as evidenced by her actions. The only reason you are denying this is because widespread acceptance of this fact would produce adjustments in men …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:58 PM
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Ah ok, so your response is basically ''no you''. I suppose that's no more laughable than your original comment. There is no projection on my part, you are making statements, but you have nothing to back it up. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, and have less than zero actual understanding of the topic. Now if you want to say ''I get to have any opinion I want regardless how stupid or ill-informed it is'', I suppose that is true. My original reply to you was simply to point out that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:51 PM
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Right, so beyond all that babble and nonsense, when do you plan to address the fact that you were just prattling about shit you know less than nothing about? Or do you plan to just run circles around that basic fact forever? In order to make a proclamation like the one you made, or be entitled to an opinion on it at all, you should have ever once picked up a primary historical source. We both know you haven't, so you're talking rubbish. I'm calling you out on being a know-nothing NPC talking lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:32 PM
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But what conclusion are you drawing? That she’s not attracted to him? Either that, or her attraction is lukewarm at best. ​ Why would she be dating him if she's not attracted to him? For all the other reasons women do that. Maybe she wants to extract resources or favours. Maybe she wants to have a family and doesn't want to raise children on her own, and so needs to get more realistic about what sort of man she should be looking for. Maybe she's just bored and he'll do for now. ​ sex is not that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:28 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? You made a dumbass statement that is one of the common ones from the NPC standard response list, but you know less than nothing about what you're talking about. Now you're babbling about me projecting, but I do have actual knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:18 PM
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How can the stupid things that you think, based on nothing, be a result of my knowledge level on anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:57 PM
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Based, no doubt, on your deep and widespread knowledge of the primary historical sources of the time, and not at all a result of you accepting the cynical materialism that is all the rage these days like every other NPC.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:43 PM
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Which is why he never achieved the Holy Grail. It fell to his son Galahad, a more perfect knight, to succeed in this quest and undo the caused by his father.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:41 PM
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And my response to you is that very few people are sufficiently psychologically resilient to overcome it without cutting off the source and going off grid altogether Obviously I agree with that since the propaganda has worked. But then you yourself are actually repeating the propaganda, even as you claim to be aware of it and it's toxic nature. Why do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:32 PM
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I still don't understand what you're getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:27 PM
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And men are allowed to draw our own conclusions about your behaviour. If you think those conclusions make you look bad, they aren't automatically wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:25 PM
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I don't understand what you're saying there. Have you mistaken ''materialist'' with ''materialistic''?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:15 PM
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They've already taken everything else. Only in the carnal world. In order for the poison of materialism to enter your own soul you have to accept it in willingly, at which point they really have taken everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:09 PM
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I'm with you entirely except on this point. Do not so easily fall for the modern propaganda of materialistic nihilism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:03 PM
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It doesn't seem to women like that is how men operate, they only claim it does in the context of arguments such as this one. If women actually thought that then it would constitute part of the canon of female complaints about men that we often hear. It doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:50 PM
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No, the entire point on Don Quixote is that the romantic knighthood fantasy that the eponymous character decides to emulate is just that: fantasy. It isn’t based on reality, it’s wishful thinking because that’s what sells. Which is what he was saying, this is a reductionist, cynical, materialist explanation put forward by modern society which has abolished these old ideals entirely and so seeks to defame what was abolished. It is parroted, mindlessly, by people who have never picked up a primary…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:47 PM
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Oh. That was your point. Sure it does. This is a debate sub. Most people believe in some sort of moral realism so using your opponent thoughts to lead them to different conclusions is just a good strategy. I accept it's a good strategy. It's also bad faith manipulation. Bad faith manipulation is a good strategy as it turns out. Speaking to you has confirmed something I had heard about psychopaths; that they do actually perceive the difference between right and wrong, but that their condition rob…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:08 PM
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The statement I quoted presupposes moral realism. If you don't subscribe to that position, and are in fact consciously aware of yourself as a moral nihilist, then the most obvious conclusion is that you are attempting to manipulate your opponent. Further credence is lent to this interpretation when we consider your reply to me the other day in another thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:02 PM
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So when you said the part I quoted above it was an attempt at maniplation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:49 PM
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This is one of the most mature and mentally healthy posts on this sub! Congrats OP :) Translation: This post is in harmony with female sexual imperatives, the ultimate arbiter of better and worse, and is therefore correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:44 PM
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Because giving your current partner your best is morally right and giving them less than your best is morally wrong may be a second one. Says the guy who claims that moral judgements are mere tools to manipulate others or to make oneself feel superior. This is what I meant when I said there are no moral nihilists, only tactical moral nihilists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:42 PM
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Why would women not care about that? Why are you asking me and not them? ​ If a man had casual sex with other women and not the one he's dating she's likely to think she's not as attractive as those other women. False, men do not operate like that, that is the female MO Men are much, much easier to convince to have sex than to commit. Men largely have sex with anyone then can, and then decide from there which ones are good enough to bother commiting to. If you are the one he was still interested…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 11:37 AM
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The implied likelihood that the previous men were more superficially attractive, owing to how much more easily men are convinced to have sex, than commit. The implied likelihood that this constitutes the real reason for the difference in treatment. The objectively inferior cost/benefit calculus that the later men are being expected to accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 11:16 AM
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It's no big deal if the other party says it's no big deal. You don't get to decide this from your end. You are a man, the 'other party' were women in all these cases. Women don't care, all the reasons men give for caring are non applicable because different sexes are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:40 AM
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There’s men that genuinely believe telling you that you’re not like “the rest of those evil sluts” The fact that it's entirely obvious that these men did not say this, they said ''you're not like other girls'', and you added your interpretive spin within the quotation marks, shows you you cannot tell the difference between reality and your own delusions. It's a big part of the reason we find it so easy to handwave these sorts of claims generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 01:29 PM
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It's 2022 man, people lose their jobs for crimethink, it's not a big deal. And no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 11:27 PM
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Well it's a very broad term. If we're talking about the more extreme forms like video that has been made surreptitiously, I'm open to discussing some level of legal involvement. I largely view the matter as trivial, not quite as trivial as society seems to think paternity fraud is (a total non-issue) but fairly trivial nevertheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:50 PM
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Are we seriously going to pretend that laws against revenge porn are there to protect male victims? Mainstream society treats trivialities committed against women more seriously than egregious violations against men. That is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:44 PM
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Ok, lol, there is no way I'm getting through this level of delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:42 PM
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I guess that's why male specific diseases get massively more funding than female specific ones...on no wait that's the other way around. I guess that's why my country (UK) has a ''minister for women's health'' whose job it basically is to scrutinize every piece of health legislature to make sure women won't be unfairly impacted. No minister for men's health obviously, despite men dying earlier and more often of basically everything, and already consuming less than their share of NHS resources. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:34 PM
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It's an illustrative example of how the exact opposite of what you are saying, is true. There are many, many others. If mainstream society catered to men it would make any effort at all to protect basic male biological imperatives. It does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:19 PM
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Which is why ''revenge porn'' is a criminal offence, and paternity fraud is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:09 PM
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I miss those days as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 09:50 PM
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Yes I agree, the mainstream operates as a kind of de facto gynosphere. It's the same reason there isn't really an alt-Left, there isn't a need for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 09:49 PM
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There is no gynosphere, that's literally the first time I've seen that word used.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 09:01 PM
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This presumes a lot of intellilectual ability by the observer. It assumes the observer has a correct assessment merely from surface-level variables. The ability to correctly identify the NPC is a separate matter from it's existence. Do some people parrot the current thing propaganda as a performative social behaviour to fit in, while behind the scenes are their 'real' views that they've actually thought through? Sure, quite possibly, maybe it's more than I think. That doesn't change the fact tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 07:50 PM
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Urban Dictionary says: NPC = Non-Playable Character. Is that how you process other people in the world? As Non-Playable Characters? Are you seriously telling me you missed the NPC meme? It's years old at this point. Very well, I will explan it, if you're just trolling me and getting me to waste my time then I've fallen for it and you win the exchange. The NPC meme is a reference to the gigantic number of people who simply do not have original thoughts, and do not formulate independant opinions. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 06:17 PM
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Women hate the manosphere because it doesn't adhere to gynocentric norms regarding discussion of dating and inter sexual dynamics. This.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 05:25 PM
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WTF “NPC response list”? wtf is an NPC? If you regularly post on Reddit, you are online enough to know what an NPC is, don't play dumb. ​ Your comment is making wild reaches all over the place in itself generalisations. Ok, you know you are actually required to lay out where and how, instead of just stating nonsense? That requires slightly more effort than making sure your sentences actually make sense grammatically, which you also failed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 05:18 PM
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You assume a lot from word use because you seem to have trauma from them. And now you're a qualified psychoanalyst as well? Another classic line from the NPC response list, you might not even have the latest content pack installed. Maybe head back to the clone factory for an update. ​ ''Feminist'' gets thrown just as carelessly. What's your point? How does that even interact with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 05:02 PM
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and you can't hold any perceived group accountable the actions of some of its perceived members Leftist designated Evil Groups (men, whites) are considered to be collectively responsible for the bad actions of their worst members. That is why posts like this get made.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 02:36 PM
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Getting labeled a misogynist requires virtually nothing. Wanting a virgin bride makes you a misogynist apparently. Being actually abusive is a far more extreme character trait. Women claiming they can sniff out whether a man holds old fashioned ''misogynist'' views, whether or not he says so, while also maintaining they have no responsibility when they choose a violent maniac are trying to have things both ways. This shouldn't be difficult to understand, and indeed isn't. Admitting such would re…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 02:32 PM
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You say that as though it's obvious that people behave the same way in person as they do on this anonymous subreddit. I don't think that's obvious at all. Part of the reason for the existence of this sub is that these discussions are very hard to have in person. Are you seriously saying that you think the men in this subreddit talk about the same things in real life, with people they do not know extremely well, as they talk about in this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 02:22 PM
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the way you write tips me off that you'd the type to drag me into some overly pedantic psuedo-intellectual bullshit By which I will assume you mean ''is way more intelligent than me and against whom I would have no chance in any exchange''.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:49 PM
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The insurance company still isn't going to pay if I tell them the truth about how I gave the keys up willingly after ten minutes because the guy was 6'2'' and 220lbs with a beard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 04:03 AM
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For everyone. Some just choose to delude themselves over that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 04:02 AM
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Doing the first one degrades the ability to do the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:57 AM
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If I leave my car outside, unlocked and with the keys in the ignition, the solution to being on my fifth car and not wanting to fork out for a sixth is to stop doing that. Whining to the thieves is unlikely to have an effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:55 AM
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Then if you believe you can be giving sacred intimacy on the third date with someone you hardly know, then why wouldn’t she also be giving sacred intimacy? It's not my position that men should be having sex on the third date. I don't believe people should should be having sex outside of marriage. I was simply pointing out that once sex has been reduced to just something that people do for a bit of fun, like Tennis, it becomes absurd to be waiting around as if we're still taking it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:50 AM
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are you giving sacred intimacy when you have sex? Fundamentally yes, less so but yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:41 AM
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If that ever stops being true, He will forgive you and welcome you with open arms. The LORD is slow to anger, and His mercy endures forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:35 AM
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What determines if an action has negative consequences is not the morality of said action. When you're a non psychopath, the negative consequences of an action are not the only thing that matter about it. I can't explain it better than that, if your mental illness prevents you from understanding then it prevents you from understanding. I was going to complain that you didn't tell me I was dealing with a psychopath, but it's right there in your flair, I guess this whole exchange makes a great dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:22 AM
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it fucking BOGGLES my mind that you and so many other people believe that women are the problem for being “slutty” while men have been doing the same thing from the beginning of time?? You're the ones upset about being used for sex, it's your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:08 AM
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I'm not interested in your psuedo intellectual babbling. I'm well aware of what moral nihilism entails. The fact is that we both know that there are other considerations beside the practical when considering actions. You have already admitted to holding moral values. We both know that when you consider an action, say, whether to steal something, likehood of getting caught and punished is not the only consideration. There is a moral consideration also. So morality clearly matters to you, it clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:00 AM
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This is a debate sub. A valid argument is to question the implicit assumption that what someone "deserves" matters or has any effect in reality. And a valid response to that is to question the implicit assumption of moral nihilism upon which that question rests. Since there are no true moral nihilists, the most effective way to do that is simply to corner the person pretending to be one into applying it to the moral values that they do hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:46 AM
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I don't think this thread was addressed to the material universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:38 AM
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So by ''the world'' you mean the material universe? You're pointing out that the material universe does not appear to have a moral system built into it? That doesn't work as a defence of moral nihilism since nobody claims that morality is a physical phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:33 AM
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So why would you expect sense from such degenerates?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:22 AM
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If you are truly proposing moral nihilism I cannot prove you wrong. Everything you said makes perfect sense within that framework. However, I have never met a true moral nihilist. What I do encounter is people employing tactical moral nihilism when it helps them make a particular point or they want to justify something in particular. I strongly suspect that is what you were doing here and my question was designed to uncover that. I'd still like an answer if you're prepaed to give one, though in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:19 AM
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But the world does not care about what they "deserve". Who is ''the world''? You? I think you'll find most other people do in fact care about the moral dimension of actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:13 AM
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If it’s an ultimate form of intimacy, and therefore sacred, shouldn’t men have zero problems waiting for a woman to engage in that ultimate form of intimacy? It depends. Am I getting sacred intimacy or am I getting what dozens of other men have had before? If it's the latter it hardy seems worth waiting for. ​ Can you really call it the ''ultimate form of intimacy'' on the third date with someone you hardly know? This is what I am saying, the libertine, post sexual revolution society that we hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:09 AM
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So in your view, those murderers cunning enough to successfully carry out their crimes undetected, have done nothing wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:04 AM
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That's the only solution that will work, but women don't like it so it's a non starter. We're under peak gynocentrism, any solution to anything that imposes a non-zero cost on women, or requires a non-zero effort commitment from women is a total non starter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:52 AM
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You going to apply this reasoning to everything? With only a few word changes we can have you saying the following: Deserve is irrelevant. If you want something, and nobody stronger than you can stop you from seizing is, then it is yours. The strong take what they like, the strong do what they like, the strong kill who they like. If a man wants to kill another man to seize his lands, or his property, or his wife, that is his prerogative. If he can take what he desires through force or faud, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:48 AM
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You think this way because you view sex as shallow recreation, rather than the ultimate form of intimacy that it is. This demotion of the sacredness of the marital act was neccessary for the sexual revolution, but few people consider the knock-on effects that this has.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:41 AM
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All of that assumes that women are making the eugenically correct choices when it comes to mate selection. There is no reason to believe that they are or will.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 10:17 PM
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its taught everywhere how thousands of years ago all were equal in egalitarian societies and there was a healthy sexual market where all could partake. If you believe that then the rest of what you are saying can safely be summarily dismissed as the ramblings of a deluded fool.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 04:43 PM
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Externalities certainly exist. Just not in the realm you're arguing. Absolute nonsense. You not wanting to accept it doesn't make it so. The falsehood of what you're saying is likely to play out right before our eyes in the very near future. I very much doubt monkeypox is going to lead to anything like the Covid restrictions, but I think there's going to be some level of state action on it. I meanwhile, will never get monkeypox because I don't go to gay orgies. That other people do is clearly im…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 03:08 PM
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He's shown the message he was sent by Twitter, and I trust him way more than the slimy tentacle of the Left Wing benemoth that is Twitter. It reads the following: ​ Violating our rules against hateful conduct. You may not promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease. By clicking delete you acknowledge that your tweet violated the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 02:20 PM
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Twitter told him he had to admit to having promoted violence, he didn't want to, it's that simple. That's the actual truth, what you're giving me is the histrionic NPC cultist narratuve.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 12:17 PM
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No, he said that he'd rather than die than delete his tweet which read: ​ Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician. Twitter made it clear that by deleting the tweet he was agreeing that he had violated Twitter's rules by promoteing violence against someone based on race, sexual orientation yadda yadda. He said he'd rather die than falsely admit to that. You need to actually consider the truth and not just mindlessly accept the cult progra…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:48 AM
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Like what? You're referring to him not being willing to immediately deny the reality of sex as soon as the powers that be command it? Yeah, that's called not being a cultist, try it sometime.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:29 AM
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He's a racist transphobe But we're the ones in the cult?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:20 AM
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Intelligent, though I count that as self-gratifying since I primarily want that for my children. Kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:11 AM
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So I take it you're an ancap?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:23 PM
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Ah yes, contempt; the thing men get instead of sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 01:01 AM
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Very well, let me tell you what the universal male experience is. If you have a disagreement, or argument with a woman (it doesnt matter what it's about, it could literally be about whether you prefer peas or carrots), once it reaches a certain level of 'heatedness' the probability that she will say one of the following things approaches 100%: ​ You're just mad because you can't get laid/you're a virgin You're not a 'real man' You have a small dick The deficiency of your manhood will come up sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 10:00 PM
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But they won't be, because the global hypocrisy pointed out by 'reactionaries' is real. It is entirely, and painfully obvious how western society adjudicates which things are problems and which are not. That being; is a favoured group, or a hated group, getting the shit end? Men are clearly classified as an evil group, therefore male disfavouring outcome discrepencies are not classified as problems. For example, society is clearly willing to tolerate a 95% male industrial death rate indefinately…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:48 PM
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Yes, in other words men have to keep that shit to themselves. That being because we don't have the entire mainstream social narrative dedicated to blowing smoke up our collective ass and shielding us from hearing anything we don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:37 PM
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The difference being that any men who voiced such an opinion would be instantly branded an evil misogynist and cast into the outer darkness. The OP is comparing the social acceptability of body shaming, not it's existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:25 PM
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You don't have any sources for your ''dick jokes is just something men do'' line either, and unlike your claim, his is not preposterous on it's face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:21 PM
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The Leftist narrative on racism is horseshit for far more reasons than that. Understanding of any of them is unlikely to be included with the next patch for your ''current thing'' NPC opinion content pack, so explaining them to you will be a foredoomed enterprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 08:13 PM
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It's verbal tai chi. Even when admitting to an obviously misandrist double standard, or acknowledging misandrist propaganda, it always needs to either be men's fault, or to ''really, somehow, in some hidden, counterintuitive way'' be actually more of a problem for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:52 PM
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There is no patriachy. There are a few people at the top, most of whom are men, and they have decided that you are the more obedient and pliable half the human race, less likely to cause problems for their nefarious schemes, and so they side with you on every issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:36 PM
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I was formulating a reply of my own, then I read this and realized it was redundant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:08 PM
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It's not because I said so, it's because your position is what is known as ''hypocrisy''. The same action is right or wrong based on whether it benefits you or not. This is not a moral position, you aren't making moral judgements, you are just presenting your imperatives and saying that they are morality. You may be better able to understand if we flip it around. If a man came up to me and said somethign to the effect of: ''I've decided it's no big deal for this woman I'm leading on to be fucked…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 02:51 PM
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Adoption or spermbanks exist. Imagine you care about your children and whether they have a father. ​ Provision? Of what? money? I have a job for that. Imagine not having to do your job to have the things you want. Imagine not having to pay strangers to raise your children for you while you do that job. Many people, likely the majority, count these things as benefits. If you're completely deluded about how easy it will be to raise children alone or totally deranged by misandry I can see how you m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 02:30 PM
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Yes, we've been over this, I know that your position is ''lying that suits me is fine, lying that doesn't suit me is evil'', are you really back to trying to justify that? Honestly, your previous switch to ''I'm just a hypocrite and you can't make me not be, cry me a river'' was a vast, vast improvement over the frankly embarrassing contortions you're going through to try and present your selfish imperative as being a moral judgement anybody should take seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 02:27 PM
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Sure, if you don't see the need to have a moral compass that is independant of your self-interest, then there is nothing I am going to say to convince you that having one is a good idea. That said, ''sociopathic'' is a word with an objective definition, and it might be best not to throw around the term given that it probably applies to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 01:30 AM
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Women can not want harems all they like, the point the OP is making is their choices push us in that direction anyway. Harems are a consequence of hypergamy, we see women around here every day saying how they'd rather be single than be with an average man. Well, if you all want the top few percent, the only way for that to happen is harems. Obviously the ideal situation that you want is for every woman to get a top 10% man to herself, but there aren't enough to go around. Many women would rather…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:15 PM
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You obviously can't understand. All I will do now is point out that we are playing out the classic men vs women argument is microcosm. Me, making general points and reasoning at the population level. You, unable to see the big picture and arguing entirely on the level of me and you as individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:48 PM
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Having a preference for something you have 0 way of confirming to be true or not is stupid and illogical. That's one of the most staggeringly stupid things I've ever read. I don't even think you believe that for a second, you're coming up with your positions in real time and not even stopping to ask yourself if it makes sense. You may not be able to confirm if a man has committed rape in the past, is a preference against marrying a rapist stupid and illogical? Honestly it's embarrassing to even …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:39 PM
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Right, that's the blue pill nonsense. I'm not even saying that doesn't apply to you personally, but you have to accept that the revealed preferences of women generally do not bear that out. ''Better'', in the way I am using it means taller, better looking, wealthier etc. Some significant percentage of women are willing to accept the trade of sharing a 'better' man rather than have a worse man to themselves. It's not all, if it doesn't apply to you personally that is fine. I don't even now what p…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:30 PM
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It was you who introduced the word ''sociopath'' to the discussion, you would think we were discussing someone being a murderer or a cheater, not just some women being fucked and lied to about the man's intentons, why make such a big deal over it? We have, however, finally arrive at your true position. You could have saved both of us an immense amount of time and words to just admit to your hypocrisy when I first made the charge rather than drag it out for so long. Your position is: ''Men who de…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:24 PM
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Children and provision.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:53 PM
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In the real world, what men want also matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:42 PM
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A better husband, never ceases to amaze me how women fail to understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:41 PM
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There is no benefit to the man for his wife having additional husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:15 PM
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Sure what? Are you saying that you do regret advocating for blatant deception? Also, you seem to now be saying that your argument was strategic and not moral, as in, it's not possible to accurate conclusions via these methods. If you're going to make that argument you arebasically saying that no conclusions can be drawn about a person's character from their behaviour, since your logic would apply to everything. Nobody thinks they can get an accurate body count by looking at how a woman acts, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:10 PM
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Do you also regret advocating ''toning down behaviour that is considered offensive or unattractive'' as a strategy for creating a misleading impression about yourself, and crowing over the alleged stupidity of those who might be deceived by such a display? This isn't a sub about manners, we aren't discussing why you shouldn't belch or talk about sex at the dinner table. The topic was body counts as they pertain to men's oft bemoaned commitment aversion. You clearly were not saying that these thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:53 PM
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So not being tacky and talking openly about sex is deceptive if you’re not low n? You're the one who presented it as a strategy for circumventing the male aversion to commiting to promiscuous women, so yes. You were crystal clear with your first reply, you said: ​ It's easy to act innocent and blush whenever sex or raunchy stuff comes up when you're talking to a guy you like. This is clearly advocacy of deception. You recommend acting; presenting a false, contrived reaction to certain subjects, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:19 PM
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I would say to anyone that thinks making a living off of OF or Twitch should go try it and then come back and tell everyone just how easy it was for them to quit their job and do it full time. A stupid challenge, it's men saying that's easy for women to make money off these platforms. That is like the whole argument being made, if you're going to make money on twitch as a man you need to be God-tier good at a videogame or something. A girl can be mediocre and with no personality if she is attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:21 PM
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Any solution to anything that imposes a non-zero cost on women collectively is a non starter in the current gynocentric zeitgeist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:05 PM
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Men like women who don't openly talk about sex or other crass things so why not give them what they want? No, men like women with low body counts, and we use indicators like talking openly and crassly about sex, as though you don't take it seriously, as a way to roughly gauge which women this applies to. You, of course, are well aware of this, and are simply trying to justify your deception. It never ceases to amaze me how women will say literally anything to justify their own imperatives. ​ i d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:47 PM
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I like how the men are ''sociopathic'' if they lie about their intentions, but you seemed to recommend that women lie about their pasts. I mean, I know how it works, women think that whatever dirty tricks and deceptions they can pull off to convince a man they are higher value than they are are just ''fair game'' and it's the man's responsibility to not fall for it. Meanwhile any false advertising on the man's part is a heinous offence against morality, God, and the unviverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:19 AM
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The solution is for the general level of promiscuity among women to decrease.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 07:08 PM
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Eyeballs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 07:07 PM
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In theory, sure, but the willingness of men to wait around is much diminished since it's assumed you are promiscuous. This is something that women complain about often, but they don't like the solution (less promiscuity) so nothing ever comes of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 06:09 PM
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It's also easy to conceal your lack of any interest in commitment until after you get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 05:03 PM
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Or I also feel like now women are sort of like dragging me down with them? It's probably this. I remember back in my school days, people used to steal stuff from the school cafeteria. It was extremely easy and nobody was ever caught as security was very lax. The thing is, the people running the cafeteria knew how much stuff was being stolen. This is because while an individual theft can go undetected as it happens, the overall amount of theft cannot be hidden because it will show up in the numbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:31 PM
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The way I see it is that it has become trendy to be overtly critical of masculinity. So any time it's brought up at all in say, news media and commentary, there a good chance it's in a negative context. How is that not just conceding my case? The fact is that negative generalizations about men, and about masculinity in general are allowable within mainstream society, and the same is simply not true for women. The mainstream narrative is that all negative generalizations about women are false, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 11:53 PM
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You're right, we all have the right to judge each other So you were wrong and are therefore stupid, thanks for playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:32 PM
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Sure, because in that case you're the other person who has every right to judge however you want. It's still absurdly entitled and childish of you to be claiming that other people do not have a right to judge as they see fit. All you're doing is sticking your tongue out and saying ''Nu uh, you can't judge me, I judge you first''. Are you like six years old?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:13 PM
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Yes my real position is fuck other people, they have no right to dictate or judge me for shit that doesn't impact them Other people absolutely have a right to judge you however they see fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:00 PM
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I don't give a fuck what men are. Fuck men. This is, of course, your real position. It would be easier for all involved if you'd just open with your blatant misandry and spare others the trouble of taking you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 03:55 PM
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Or men and women are just different and people generally know this, and it's just not as nefarious as you have imagained. If I wanted to get as salty and butthurt as you over everything I could start whining about sayings like ''happy wife happy life'' which have no equivalent. If you go looking for every discrepancy and then make up a maximally bad explanation for it you can make any case you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 03:49 PM
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But analogies are things....
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 03:14 PM
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Harry is a clown. His marriage to Meghan has rendered him a national laughing stock, and over here in Britain we're all basically waiting for Meghan to put him out of his misery, divorce him, and for him to come crawling back to the royal family, begging for his spot back. If less fairy tale, more dark comedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:47 AM
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You can think anything you want, it's just not going to happen. We all know the stigma around being a male virgin isn't getting abolished any time soon, so why are men expected to care about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:40 AM
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And laugh about them in private, and use their existence as the most common insult thrown at men they disagree with for any reason. This is what men would like the right to do to promiscuous women without instantly being classified as having a mental disorder or being a terrible person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:38 AM
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Primarily: abandonment. Beginning the process of having a family with a man consumes a lot of women's ''capital'' in a way that it doesn't for men. So a woman may marry a man, have children with him, and then if he decides to run off with a younger woman, she is screwed. Women age faster than men, more of their mate value is bound up in youth, and having children accelerates the downward spiral. It will be much harder for the wife to try again since she already invested so much of her mate value…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:22 AM
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I don't really traffic in made up statistics. But you do traffic in egregious lies. Interesting. ​ The most that you could reasonably mean is that most of the you personally hear about madculinity is about toxic masculinity, which of course reflects as much about you as it could hope to about society. Obvious gaslighting is obvious. The mainstream narrative on maculinity, and maleness generally, is overwhelmingly if not entirely negative. Anybody with eyes can see that and your straightforward l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:00 AM
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So you are telling her to be a slut? can you at least pretend to keep your story straight?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:51 PM
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Even if that's what you meant, when you are giving such potentially catastrophic advice, you should be very careful about the words you use. Telling women to be slutty is unlikely to get them good outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:42 PM
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More than 50% of time that the word ''masculinity'' is used, it will have the word ''toxic'' next to it. That's not in in ''online spaces'', that's not in this little dark corner of the internet, that's the mainstream narrative. The mainstream narrative about masculinity and maleness is that it is essentially toxic, violent, and harmful. Spare me your idiotic pearl clutching over a few generalizations made about women here in the outer darkness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:40 PM
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Yes, it's horrible when men get those kinds of snide remarks dressed up as 'advice', and it's horrible here as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:40 PM
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I know what I'm talking about. I was explaining how in order to be an undesirable 26 year old woman you essentially have to be fat. Then you said ''Fat women don't have sex now?'' as if it was some kind of gotcha. I have no idea what your line of reasoning is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:29 PM
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I dont think the way you characterize me You would be very unlikely to know if you did, or to admit to it even if you did know. ​ but how could I possibly convince you? You can't, or at least, there is nothing you can say within the scope of this exchange that would convince me. What would convince me is seeing you take the same line consistently when generalizations are made about men. I acknolwedge the possibility that what I said about you is incorrect, however, the vast majority of women do …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:17 PM
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It's not a secret, it's clear as day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:09 PM
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Honestly, what are you taling about? You're going to have to explain how what you said is related to what I said because I can't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:58 PM
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be slutty. Advice is all solid except this, this is terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:19 PM
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Why y'all assume that she's fat? That's what undesirable 26 year old woman means.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:14 PM
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It's almost certain she's already doing those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:10 PM
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Lose weight. To give more tailored advice than that I would need more information about why you think you are undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:59 PM
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However, if any laws or requirements were implemented to restrict the undesirables and incapables from breeding, people would immediately cry eugenics. On account of it being eugenics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:56 PM
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I'm all for abortion, the republicans are wrong on this. Freakonomics covered how the decrease in crime from the 60's/70's happened because of abortion. Mass executions of criminals would probably achieve the same effect, are you for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 04:58 PM
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Single moms happen when there is shit sex education and little access to birth control, contraceptives There has never been more access to these things and yet single motherhood has exploded over the same period. The actual cause of these problems is the sexual revolution in the 60s, 70s. Sex education is what George Lukacs said it was when he implemented it in Hungary, that being a way to debauch the young and destroy traditional Christian sexual morality. It's propaganda for promiscuity and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 04:51 PM
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Not really, Herakles is a mythical demigod whose defining feature is physical strength. Even most gods and heroes are not depicted as being what would be considered big today.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:14 PM
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With the exception of Herakles, and arguably Laocoon, none of those would be considered big by today's standards. David looks positively scrawny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:37 PM
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You just got edged out slightly here sadly, this post would 100% take the prize for the most delusional thing I've seen said on here if not for this comment. Honestly this is so ridiculous it's hard to even process. Firstly, we know from genetic data that at least twice as many women reproduced than did men, historically. This fact alone, before we even start looking at the details to make our own judgements, establishes that what you're saying is preposterous. Human beings are not an unexplaine…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:51 PM
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My objective is to aggressive overgeneralization and dogmatic opposition to any evidence or theory to the contrary. Right, it's just obvious that your methodology or determining when generalization is ''aggressive overgeneralization'' is whether you like the generalization or not and who is being generalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 09:25 PM
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Its a supernormal stimulus. You're right that the kind of extreme musculature that we see these days could never have been maintained in ancient times. In fact it goes further than that, if you go and look at what was considered ''buff'' back in the day before steroids, it's crazy, they're basically just normal dudes. Still, even back in hunter gatherer times there would have been some men larger and more muscular than others, and they would have been dominant. It's not really relevant that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:59 PM
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Because being a slut is shameful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:52 PM
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My only assumption about women is that they are people, which makes them good, bad, everything in the middle, inconsistent, multifaceted and widely varied. They're half the population—it doesn't make sense to stereotype them much further than that. You mean that's tactically your assumption for the purposes of this discussion. We both know you aren't whining when men get generalized. The topics discussed on this subreddit are impossible to discuss without generalizations, and negative generaliza…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:57 PM
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You just have an incredibly childish view, it's very common in the West nowdays sadly. I believe the british conservative Peter Hitchens calls it the dominant modern ideology of ''Selfism''. Basically you're arguing that externalities do not exist, unless somebody else is screaming in pain as I take my action, I'm not doing anything wrong. Thing is, externalities do exist, obviously if everybody becomes a junkie and does no work civilization collapses. If you're prepared to make claims as absurd…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:54 PM
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A parasite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:05 PM
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Women don't outperform men in basically anything. We dont segregate competition for men's benefit you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:04 PM
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Eyeballs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:43 AM
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You've not heard normie before? Surprising if you're hanging out on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:56 AM
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My comment was racially charged, but the one I responded to isnt? If absolute and rank hypocrisy on this issue wasn't the standard NPC position I might be tempted to act surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:31 AM
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Don't worry, I felt the same way reading your paragraph of normie garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:48 AM
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I think that was the exact line written for Neo in the alternative version where he takes the blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:35 AM
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Short of a religious revival, I don't see this happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:11 AM
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I dont assume that. But red pill ideology has pretty much only negative assumptions about women The positive assumptions about women are just the mainstream narrative. TRP focuses on those aspects of that narrative that are false. You aren't going to hear red pill guys talking about those aspects of the mainstream narrative that they do not contest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:42 AM
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Standard normie NPC drivel: the a priori assumption that all negative claims about women on aggregate are false.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:20 AM
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I really wish you people would settle on a line between ''RP is a bunch of ridiculous delusions'' and ''RP is so obvious you're an autist for even discussing it''.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:55 PM
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Women give their comitment to men that they find most valuable. Lies. Women give sex to men they think are the most valuable. That's the entire premise of this ''it will get easier when you get to 30'' line. When looking for commitment, women will begin to consider less superficially attractive men. Before that point, they will prioritize sheer, raw sexual value. Is it ''not true'' or is it ''men do it as well''? You need to pick one of those two things as you excuse for why this doesn't matter,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:50 PM
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Yes, and women don't give a shit because the value hierarchy is the correct way around. A man gives his commitment to the woman he thinks is the highest value. Women give no strings sex to the men they think are the highest value. This is why the ''husband but not fwb'' guys complain and why the ''fwb but not wife'' women complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:30 PM
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Women will immediately see how insulting and degrading that would be, but the vast majority simply cannot get outside of their own perspective to see how for men it's the reverse situation that is insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:24 PM
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I think I got inoculated to this at a very young age, which is why it wasn't this horrifying surprise to me when I entered the game. Can't remember how old I was but I remember watching some kind of documentary/science program about the whole ''women are attracted to facial structure denoting different levels of testosterone depending on what point in their cycle they are in'' thing. Love basically died as a concept for me at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:21 PM
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The standard blue pill gaslighting. Women do not ''develop different taste'', they realize that they aren't going to get commitment from the men they want and reconcile themselves to the fact that if they want a family they will have to settle with a guy they wouldn't give the time of day a few short years ago. Women are always trying to make a virtue of their necessity
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:18 PM
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This. ''Cuck material'' is the literal meaning of the secret meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 07:49 PM
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Men have held most power and influence in the world for most of recent history. You mean that most of the power and influence in the world is held by a tiny minority of people, most of whom happen to be men. Your assumption that these men exercise this power for the benefit of men generally is incorrect, and is pure projection. You know that's what you would do due to your huge in-group bias, a bias men lack.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:15 PM
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The fact of the matter is, we have never had more sex education, or more easy access to contraception. The proliferation of these things has been accompanied by an spectacular increase in all the things they claim to reduce, those being unwanted pregnancy and venereal disease. Not even yearly abortions in the hundreds of thousands or miraculous medical advances has been able to stem the tide unleashed by widespread promiscuity. Ultimately, I have the right to not get a job, start taking drugs, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:32 AM
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Kindness is what niceness is called when you're attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:11 AM
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It’s not a value judgement or my opinion. It’s an objective fact. It's an opinion, you saying over and over again that it's a fact won't make it so. ​ Someone choosing to be promiscuous or chaste doesn't infringe on the rights of others That you think that this is the only consideration is where the ''opinion'' part comes in. ​ The only one impacted is the one doing the behaviour Flatly false, I laid out the various ways that there are knock-on effects that do impact others, and society in gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:39 PM
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I have no interest in trawling through the gay male scene on onlyfans trying to work out which guys are catering to a female audience. You must surely have a few guys in mind. If you can give me two examples of men on onlyfans who are ugly, who cater to an female audience, and who do at least passably from the site I promise I will admit that you are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:45 PM
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This is actually a claim I haven't encountered before, can you present any evidence of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:37 PM
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Life over.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:34 PM
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Yes but you're forgetting the unwritten rule that all double standards favouring women are fine and nothing to get worked up about while all double standards favouring men are an unconscionable evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:33 PM
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That's because you're delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:32 PM
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What fact? The fact of your delusion? More than 50% of the time the word ''masculinity'' is used it will have the word ''toxic'' next to it. By far the most common context for any discussion of masculinity or maleness is censure and shaming. Society does virtually nothing but shame men. You are blind to this due to your statistically enormous female in-group bias. That same bias will prevent you from undersanding the breathtaking obviousness of what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:24 PM
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It’s a fact and it’s not a stupid one. It's not a fact, it's a value judgement made by you, ie an opinion. You saying it's a fact does not make it a fact, it remains a mere opinion. Additionally, as I said before, it is an extremely stupid opinion. Promiscuity and chastity are not equal. Promiscuity entails multiple negative effects down the line. It is physically unhealthy, resulting in higher rates of venereal and other diseases, it requires abortion (murder) to keep some kind of check on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:19 PM
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Yes, and the reason the charge of whoredom cuts Sally when she hears it is because, should the charge be generally believed, it damages her chances of getting a husband of her own. That's why terms like 'fuckboy' or 'manwhore' do not cut men the way 'slut' and 'whore' cut women. they are just words, there is nothing behind them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 10:41 PM
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''Women have it worse'' is believed as a metaphysical axiom by many, many people, especially women themselves. I would argue it forms part of the core philosophical outlook of the West. As a result, there is a great tendency for people to argue that women have it worse, not just in general, but in every individual particular as well. Every aspect of being a man is easier and better than the female equivalent, so the belief goes. As I said, it's a philosophical position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:58 PM
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This argument is technically true but it's disingenuous and I don't like seeing it made. Yes, women do the majority of the outright, verbal slut-shaming, but it is men's revealed preference that even makes the shame a thing in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:27 PM
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Absolutely every single thing you said is preposterous on it's face.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:24 PM
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Same thing that makes women feel that they can have expectations of men that they couldn't meet themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:00 PM
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Don't worry, your original post was stupid enough I didn't expect anything from a response of yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:09 PM
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Nature bestowed men with a ''strength'' card that we aren't allowed to play as well, so let's not be appealing to the 'naturalness' of the current setup, because it;s anything but natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:03 PM
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Yes, the maximally unsympathetic line, the one that men always get. Society takes the opposite line on basically every other measure of inqeuality. ''People being in poverty is not a societal problem, it's a personal problem for the poor. The only viable solution is make yourself more useful and productive so that you can garner more income, or if that's not possible, accept your fate''.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:17 PM
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Violence & War. Much more of it. Culling of the male population. Are we as cool with the survivors taking their spoils, as was the traditional arrangement, as we are with all the male deaths? Or is that part of this solution a bridge too far?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:10 PM
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Are you just playing dumb here or can you truly be this devoid of empathy? i should be comically easy for you to come up with an analagous situation and realize that you would hate this dynamic as much as men do. Since apparently you're pretending to lack this ability, I will do so for you. Suppose you knew a man who received an enormous inheritance, you were interested in him, but he wouldn't give you the time of day, because you were too ugly. He spends years blowing through his wealth, lavish…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:29 PM
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Most are only concerned when they feel the murder is unjust. As evidenced by the fact that you don’t see people protesting self defense laws with the same fervency they do other things. Murder is defined as the unjustified and premeditated killing of a human, so self defence is by definition not murder. ​ Chastity and promiscuity are both equally valid personal choices. That's your opinion, and it's a stupid one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:01 PM
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Same reason people who aren't committing murders of any kind are still not pleased by murders that do occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:55 PM
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Genetics actually does give a shit about statistics. All variable traits are normally distributed, that's just how nature works. You can either believe that male attractiveness is the one exception to that, or you can conclude that women are delusional. I know which one I find easier to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:38 PM
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You can have either a buyer or a sellers market depending on the conditions in that particular market. The current situation in the sexual market is that a massive portion of men's leverage has been eliminated by technology and civilization, while none of women's sexual leverage has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:30 PM
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Absolute peak delusion right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:28 PM
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A basic rundown of the blue pill claim and a flat statement that it is correct is unlikely to convince many people. Your task is to convince us that what we see with our eyeballs is incorrect and the pollyannish garbage you've presented is accurate. That obviously requires more than just stating the basic premise of the blue pill folowed by ''and that's that, period''.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:18 PM
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A guy who women rate as a 5 is 85th percentile.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:53 PM
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Men compete for women not the other way around in general. Yes, in general, not at the higher levels of attractiveness. There are way more women considered attractrive by men than there are men considered attractive by women. If you're in that group (attractive men) then the supply/demand situation favours you. ​ But ok, proves that all men care about is ''getting laid''. It proves nothing of the sort, only that men value sex a lot. If a woman is prepared to sleep with me quickly while requiring…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:59 PM
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This is a very straightforward explanation of the unselfaware female perspective on things, it's not likely to convince many. Here is how things actually go down: Women are aware that highly attractive men have options, and there is stiff competition from other women for those men. The man could lose interest at any moment and wander off after any of the myriad other women interested in him. Awareness of this fact causes them to experience anxiety if they manage to catch the interest of such a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:00 PM
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Sure, I agree. Though I would prefer if those that weren't attracted to me would not match with me in the first place, rather than using me as an ego boost. That's like when women say they'd prefer if men would not fuck them if they aren't interested in commitment. If you're giving up free value, it will be taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:24 AM
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Then why do they swipe right on them? Would be much better if they did not swipe right on men they have no intention of talking to. Come on dude, asking this question is as stupid as when women act like they don't understand why men 'waste their time' (fuck them with no intention to commit). It's value extraction, plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:22 AM
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It's worse, sexual exclusivity and paternity are basically the man's entire 'end' in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:25 PM
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Because assuming the survival of the species you'd be better off with more women than more men. I'm not arguing over the source of the privilege or whether it's justified, merely that it exists. I probably agree with you that this is the underlying reason, or as I heard somebody humorously simplify it: eggs rare sperm lots. ​ I had defined ''pro-female'' bias as actually caring about women and not hurting them. That's a bad definition. Bias is an implicity comparative term. What matters is wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 01:14 PM
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Then we have made progress, almost all disagreements are really over the definition of terms. Read the link, like i said. For the purposes of this discussion ''pro-female'' bias means being willing to sacrifice men for the sake of women (as adults are sacrificed for children), and feeling more strongly about force or fraud being committed against women than against men (again, like with children vs adults). I believe that this biologically wired into humans. I was arguing against your claim that…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:59 AM
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Because a seventh century warlord said they needed to wear bags so now everyone there is required to believe that's a good idea. That isn't the issue though. Read the link that OP gave. People care more about fraud and force committed against women, and are more willing to sacrifice men. That's it, this is just like how we treat children, we take violence against them more seriously, and we expect adults to protect and sacrifice for them. That kind of sentiment is not incompatible with thinking …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:45 AM
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I'm saying that being subject to additional restrictions based on the understanding that you are lesser is not incompatible with people caring about you more. That is the situation that children are in. We both put restrictions on them because they are lesser than adults, and we care about their welbeing and safety more than adults. These are not mutually exclusive things. Please remember what we're even discussing. This is not a generic ''which sex has it worse'' thread. The question is whether…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:35 AM
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I actually thought it was 85%, but that's neither here nor there. My point is that there is a parallel list of statistics around industrial deaths and maimings, homelessness, life expectancy et,c that you don't give a shit about, and which nobody gives a shit about. That's female privilege, the exact bias that is established in the study that the OP posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:28 AM
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And yet, women have greater laws to limit and hurt them. So do children, it does not invalidate the claim that people care more about them. ​ Lighter punishments you say, yet the documented cases of girls being whipped and stoned because they were raped (and thus adulterous) is a thing. Yes, and you've heard about these things happening half a world away, and not other facets of these savage and awful cultures, specifically because the victims are female, who everybody cares about more. ​ Before…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:24 AM
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Nearly one in seven homicides worldwide involve killing of an intimate partner, and men are four times more likely to be the perpetrators of these offenses. Tell me more about female privilege… It's female privilege that you so specifically word that particular complaint, when the fact is that across the world, in every country, the vast majority of violent deaths and maimings, are male. It is female privilege that this same attitude is the mainstream opinion. It's literally the bias that was fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:15 AM
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Ask yourself how much you really know about this. If it's the case that we care more about women, would that not lead us to take more notice of the horrors suffered by women in savage cultures?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:50 AM
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Men and women are both subjected to horroes is shitty cultures. But only one of those are subjected to horrors because of their gender That simply isn't true. I've read Reliance of the Traveller, which is arguably the most comprehensive manual of Islamic law, and while, yes it is true, women are subject to a bunch of extra restrictions as you say, the general tendency of lighter punishments for women still holds. For example, the crime of apostasy is punishable by death for a male and by house a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:29 AM
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I can't remember, I just know that at some point I got used to rolling my eyes and saying ''well, it's Lilith'' when I saw some completely delusional, misandric drivel posted. That said though, and I've thought this a few times over the past few days, the fact that you seem to be on the right side of the abortion issue means I can actually easily forgive you for all your other nonsense. Amazing what being against the baby holocaust can do eh? In fact I'd say I feel more kinship with you now than…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:12 AM
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Those are savage cultures where all sorts of horrors of committed, you only know about the stuff that concerns women because that's all that we care about in the west because of the reasons given in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:01 AM
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It's biological, there is nothing we can do about it. The absolute best that can be hoped is for the fact to be acknowledged. We've known for how long exactly, that good looking people get lighter sentences on average when accused of crimes? It's just how it is, so long as we have to rely on human judges and juries, it will always be a thing, we're biased toward attractive people, it's just how it is. Women have neotenous physical characteristics, it means that the same extra regard that we pay …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:00 AM
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It is very germain to the discussion, you appear to be trying to use the term foetus to create a fundamental difference that does not exist. I know your side likes to use euphemisms and clinical language to conceal the fundmental horror of what is occuring. It's no different to how white slaveowners ''just knew'' that these aren't humans, they're niggers. There is nothing in the definition of baby that says you need to be born, you have invented that out of whole cloth. There is not some kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 09:49 PM
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Just like giving rights to slaves necessitated taking rights from slaveholders.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:52 PM
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Foetus literally translates as offspring. And it seems my personal beliefs can dictate what medical options (murders) others may choose for themselves. Pay attention man, have you been living under a Moloch altar for the past 3 days?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:30 PM
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I hear killing people when they were Jews, or some other inferior race, and not otherwise was considered fine in Germany around the middle of the last century. Pretty easy distinction to grasp there as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:25 PM
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Not allowing you to murder your offspring because you don't want to take care of them is not extermination, sorry. If you don't want to be pregnant, you can just not have sex. Hey, that other guy is right, it is fun to say that. I understand why feminists say it so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:15 PM
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People who live inside of other people Glad we're agreed the Foetus (unborn baby) is a person. ​ have no rights of their own. Right, every other time in history, the side that was denying one group is fully human in order to justify their enslavement or extermination was wrong, but you're the first ones who are right, right? Honest guys, this time the people saying X groups doesn't really count as human, it's ok to kill them, are the good guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:03 PM
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Foetus is just Latin for baby or offspring. You're arguing over the difference between a thigh bone and a femur.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:28 PM
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Amazing how when you're actually right on an issue you suddenly understand logic. Thought I was trippin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:07 PM
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That literally makes no sense, if anything, women are going to be more selective about who (if anyone!) they sleep with rather than less. They'll be (in theory) more selective along different criteria, meaning trustworthiness, willingness to commit, etc, rather than height and looks. That would lead to a flatter distribution of sex among men and a less brutal Gini coefficient. That's in theory, I don't think they'll change their behaviour at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:02 PM
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Yeah, pointing out there is an alternative to murder, what a weak excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 03:58 PM
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Thats not how you interpret that data in the first place because it's not talking about 30 percentage of men dying from women. It's saying 1/9 men are victims not indicating if the abusers are male or female either, that's it. Right, so how does it defeat my claim that 30% of victims of intimate partner homicide are men? A claim you said was horseshit and that I was making up. You clearly thought it did when you said: ​ 1/4 female victims 1/9 male victims. That's not 30% guys dying, you can't do…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:32 PM
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Nails and hair in a dead body going through a couple more cell divisions before shutting down along with the rest is not development. Not all the processes in the body shut down at the exact same instant when you die, you are still dead though, and not alive. Whether or not you feel it when you are killed is immaterial to whether a murder has been committed. A zygote is alive, it is human, and it is, at that moment, the entirety of that human organism. The fact that it does not have faculties wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:27 PM
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Again what the fuck are you talking about? Basic mathematics, something apparently beyond you. ​ We are talking of male victims not the female and those stats are not talking of deaths. I agree, so why did you say: ​ 1/4 female victims 1/9 male victims. That's not 30% guys dying. You can't do math ​ And I didn't bring that up, you brought up 30 percent or guys die by females which has zero basis, I gave you sources that say more than 30%, perhaps you'd like me to remind you here: ​ You can see h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:18 PM
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Lol, you are hilarious, honestly. 1/9 is 30% of 1/4. You clearly don't understand how numbers work, so you need to stop talking about maths. I agree it's not related, so why did you say: ​ 1/4 female victims 1/9 male victims. That's not 30% guys dying. You can't do math
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:09 PM
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There is a distinction, you not wanting to accept it doesn't make it so. The living cells that are alive for a little while after death are not the human being. My toenail clippings are not the human being, they are my toenail clippings. The zygote is the whole being. It's growing and developing, so it is alive. It's parent's are human, so it is human. It is human, it's alive, and it's the whole being, so it's a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:05 PM
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If it's unrelated then why the hell would you indicate just now that equates to 30 percent of guys dying by females ? Because you said this: ​ 1/4 female victims 1/9 male victims. That's not 30% guys dying. You can't do math Stop gaslighting about gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:47 PM
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Being a human being. A zygote is a human being in the earliest stages of development. That is self-evident. It's growing and developing, so it's alive. It has human DNA, so it's human. As of right now, this is the whole being. It's a living, human, being. This isn't that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:45 PM
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Well, it's developing, so it's a living being of some kind, and we can look at the DNA and see that it's human. It's a living being that's a human, hence human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:32 PM
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Murder is killing a human being, not killing human cells.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:29 PM
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...victims doesn't mean death. And 1/9 of male victims means 30 percent of guys dying to you by a woman? Yeah I agree it doesn't mean death, which is why it was a completely spurious point and unrelated to my 30% claim, which thus remains unchallenged. Yes, you did also get that wrong, along with the basic maths. Yes, you are a complete clown arguing with somebody 50 IQ points above you. Honestly you should just stop replying at this point, you look completely ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:27 PM
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I'm not saying it's not human, it is human, it's a human corpse. Destroying a human corpse is not murder because it's already dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:16 PM
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No because a corpse isn't alive, it's dead. Murder has to be performed on living people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:12 PM
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disregarding any logical thought on what actually gives a person personhood, is magical thinking Thinking there is this magical thing called ''personhood'' is magical thinking. I am talking about humanity, an objectively existing thing. The moment a new human being comes into existance is conception. If you want to argue that not all humans are persons and may therefore be killed, you can. It's the same way that slaveholders justify slavery and maniacs justify genocide.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:06 PM
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1/4 female victims 1/9 male victims. That's not 30 percent of guys dying. You can't do math 1/4 and 1/9 is 30%. You can't do maths.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:02 PM
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There are all sorts of abilities that we only accrue once we hit a certain level of development, not possessing them yet on account of age does not make it ok to kill somebody. The adult is not the child, the child is not the baby, the baby is not the embryo, we have many terms for human beings at different stages of development, but they are all human beings. A sperm is not a human being, a fertilized egg is a new, complete human being, at the earliest stage of it's development. If you want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:44 PM
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Over the past five years (April 2015 to March 20), on average 12 men per year had been killed by a partner or ex-partner (74 women per year Where? I gave you national statistics, those numbers are too low to be national. That looks like selective data sampling, a common tactic used in advocacy research. I want the sources please. ​ Only 4.4% of victims of domestic abuse being supported by local domestic services are men Yeah duh, nobody cares about the male victims. That's why you can google ''i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:12 PM
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Yes, I'm sure it's going to still happen, nothing is going to change that as an absolute fact. Rape is illegal and rapes still happen. The idea that it wil not be reduced is just what you'd prefer to believe. ​ youve achieved nothing in your stated goal of reducing abortions. I mean we're not allowed to use the c word on here but this just reeks of it. I would happily bet my life on us not seeing the hordes of abortion martyrs that you seem to think we will. What is likely is the liberal states …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:01 PM
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Insane how many people don’t seem to understand that a fetus isn’t a baby any more than a sperm is a baby If you're making the sperm comparison you're too stupid or misinformed to ever get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:51 PM
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The reason i am pro choice is because early featus can't be considered a human Fetus is just Latin for baby or offspring, and it's not even a species specific term. Are we talking about dog fetuses or cow fetuses? No we're talking about human fetuses, so what you're saying is ''human fetuses are not human'', which is idiotic. Murder is murder, it doesn't matter how old you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:49 PM
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For the same reason I'd care if you were being murdered, I'm not required to pay for your rent or food afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:38 PM
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people being hysterical about protecting something that isn't even a person That's what the southern slave owners said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:37 PM
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I mean one of the two sides is currently in apoplexies of rage over what just happened, it just isn't mine. The most powerful nation on earth just took an extremely significant step towards ending this barbarism. I know you're petrified, this false indifference fools precisely nobody. I also love how you drop the mask here, basically ''all the hyperbole that my side is currently screeching about abortion rights being rescinded and women losing access to bla bla bla, that's all horseshit, all lie…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:36 PM
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Maybe be less absurdly hysterical with your use of the word 'force'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:22 PM
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Right, so in other words you were already doing that and there won't be any change.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:10 PM
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Nobody is buying your tactical nihilism dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:57 PM
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The warning has been given, you'll be reminded of it come judgement day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:38 PM
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Also, a majority of the "society" in developed countries disagrees on your assessment about abortion, so saying how "society" has to tolerate it is just inaccurate. If anything, it's the other way around. Who cares? A majority of the human race once disagreed with the notion that killing a slave was murder, or that forcing yourself on a slave was rape. That doesn't change anything. You can change the words all you like to delude yourself, it doesn't change the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:37 PM
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You can keep calling it murder all you like but nobody is going to listen A very large number of people see abortion for what it is, but even if nobody did, it wouldn't make a difference to what it is. ​ Anyway abortions will continue whether you mald about it or not, they're just going to be less safe for many women in the US Carrying out a murder isn't meant to be safe. Be as mad about that as you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:35 PM
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Women assume all men in positions of power act on behaf of the male collective, because that is what they would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:24 PM
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That's like 85% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:22 PM
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You know perfectly well what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:17 PM
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And the blood of your murdered progeny will be upon your own head.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:13 PM
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Yeah but society is being asked to tolerate the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent babies per year, so that people can engage in this activity. That creates somewhat of a distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:13 PM
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You know to shut us all up and make us look stupid? Actually do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:11 PM
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Sorry, you have obligations to your progeny, that includes not murdering them. ''What if i murder them super early though?'' Uh, no sorry, that's still murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:08 PM
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It gives zero context to why it even happens The 'context' doesn't matter. You said my claim that 30% of intimate partner murders were male victims was ''horseshit''. It's not horseshit though is it? You're wrong, you're stupid, that's all there is to this. You're now trying to come up with excuses for why it doesn't matter, but you didn't originally say ''it doesn't matter because in my imagination most of the female murders are self-defence''. You said the claim was false, and that I was makin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:02 PM
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The OP was not even talking about intimate partners and chances of dying by a woman in domestic abuse...wtf are you talking about ? It came up during our discussion though, so now its part of the argument. You used the false claim that hardly any men are killed in intimate partner homicide as support for one of your arguments, that means it is now a relevant point. I'll explain it again so that maybe your tiny brain can comprehend. Why should I continue to argue this with you when you are clearl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:07 PM
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I don't give a shit about any of that. We're not just returning to the main points without you admitting that you were absolutely wrong about the intimate partner murder thing. What is hard to understand? You don't get to call me a liar, say I'm making up stats, get provided with those stats, and then just brush past it like it didn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:44 PM
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You mean exactly like women do with courage, strength, and virtually the entire suite of desirable male characteristics. I'm sure you have all sorts of things to say about that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:42 PM
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Less likely to be an alpha widow, less likely to have accrued mental illnesses from hard riding on the CC, less likely that the dream guy in her head as accumulated so many qualities as an aggregate of all the men she's been with that he would basically be a minor deity if he existed, and so no mere mortal man can ever be good enough. That sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:34 PM
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It would close the gap considerably, but it would still be there. Imagine the body count of a 100 year old woman who has looked 22 for the whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:30 PM
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That argument goes both ways, you don't have any data explaining the circumstances to WHY it happens or anything. I don't need data explaining why it happens. Please remember the course of events. You said that loads of women were killed in domestic violence and hardly any men were: A lot of women die from domestic abuse, not many men do ​ I told you it was about 70-30: Plenty of men are killed by women in intimate partner murders. It's about 30% men being killed. ​ You said that I was lying and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:54 PM
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You also blatantly showed that you ignored the studies that indicate that many times when women murder men in domestic abuse situations it's or self defense. There aren't ''studies'' that indicate this. There are vague insinuations of that being the case. Insinuations that you chose to immediately accept, without doing any real effort to see whether that's actually the case. Claims that support the feminist narrative, such as 2% of rape claims are false, 1 in 5 women in the US get raped across t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:21 PM
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Right right, of course, first it's ''you're pulling stats out your ass, that's all horseshit'' and now it's ''ok, so it's all true, but the men deserved to be murdered''. Got it. Like I said, I didn't expect you to modify your position even an inch simly because I presented the data that you arrogantly and confidently claimed did not exist, feminist ideological possession is generally immune to facts and reality. The rest of what you're saying can basically be handwaved under the justification t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:06 PM
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I wouldn't call myself a "die hard feminist" Sure, you wouldn't call yourself that, but come on. ​ Point 1 didn't even mention rape Sure the word 'rape' technically wasn't in your answer, but come on. ​ So let me get this straight... you are blaming (some) women for... taking advantage of a system set up by men The degree to which it was set up by men is debatable. Women are a voting bloc now and they need to be appeased. What is it with you feminists and acting like we live in a feudal aristocr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:39 PM
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You have to basically be Bond Villain level evil to get called out in any meaningful way, as a woman. Some people seem to think this will lead to some general change, I have serious doubts. I expect this will be written off as an aberration and things return largely to normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:17 PM
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I mean my post was not designed to convince die hard feminists who have a fixed view that will never be changed by argumentation or facts, so I'm hardly losing sleep over how I didnt convince you. I do find it funny how your answer to the first three points on the list is basically ''but rape''. Why have a list if you're going to do that, is it because you need it to look like you have more more points than you do? Just say ''Women have it harder because rape'' and leave it there. You completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:14 PM
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your pulling stats out of your ass that's complete horseshit Look, I know it's been established beyond any reasonable doubt that you hate facts and reality due to their stubborn refusal to validate the feminist fever dream you clearly live in, but I actually am not. You can see here for a far less favourable statistic from the US. 75 men killed for every 100 women, that's 43%. Or you can look here where the the given statistic is a RR (relative risk) of 1.23, thats 47%. Granted, the first source…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:48 PM
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How exactly do you think rapes happen on a woman? Usually they are beaten black and blue half to death If not tortured, robbed as well, and sometimes even disemboweled. Now you're just letting your imagination run away with you. We're here trying to discuss statistics and you're trying to write a screenplay for a horror movie. The vast majority of rapes involve nowhere near the level of violence you are describing. The fact is, men come to harm, including serious harm, way more often than women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:34 PM
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Who said women don't get robbed or mugged as often as men?.. lots of women dress and look rich they get their purses stolen way more. I can't recall the last time I heard a guy who was jumped to rob him unless he looked like a million bucks What actually happens is more important than your vague imaginaings of what happens. Men get robbed, assaulted, and killed at far, far higher rates than women. The only category of violent crime where women are the majority victims is sexual crimes (even then…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 08:01 PM
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1) You're babbling away from the actual point. Of course I'm ignoring geographical location, this discussion is only about the modern west. That is the only sane way to interpret the original claims. Have you considered how stupid the statement that men can walk around anywhere and not be worried would be if you weren't just referring to safe, developed countries? You are trying to broaden the discussion to include the third world because it makes it easier for your case, and for no other reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 06:53 PM
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Asking a question using your own logic isn't irony. It's not? Maybe it's a 'distraction' then, I forget. I just wonder when they're old and ugly what then? Depends on a few factors, principly how rich/high status the guy is, and whether he's an honourable man or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 06:40 PM
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The sort that already made you rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:53 PM
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I always wonder what happens when they age? When they're not 18? Are they then hideous monsters? What age are they hideous? If 18 is the most beautiful what's when they start to become ugly? Ironic considering you accuse me to using illegitimate binaries. You're suggesting that if a man considers 18 year old girls to be within the pool of females that he considers prospective mates, that this means he exclusively targets 18 year olds? I said earlier, 18 to about 23 or 24 is the absolute prime, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:51 PM
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If my little cousin were to bring home a man 12 years her senior, my family and I would have some questions for him. He would likely not be well received as his intentions would be suspect. I actually think that's entirely fair, and that if families, specifically fathers, had more influence over the sexual decisions of young girls, we wouldn't be in such a mess as we are now. ​ I don't think it's a matter of moral judgement. That's basically a ''no'' then. To not think something is a moral matte…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:10 PM
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Which wasn't the question. The question was not ''do you think there is anything you can do about age gap relationships?''. The question was ''do you think they are morally acceptable?''. From everything you've said, it's crystal clear your answer is a resounding ''no''. You know you can't actually defend that position, so you refuse to make it explicity. You want to just be able to describe things in such a way as it's obvious that this is your position, but without the responsibility of actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:38 PM
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1) Yes, women have to worry about the very low probability of being raped, in addition to the much lower chance of victimization in every other category of crime. Overall, men are much more likely to come to harm, as I said, so the argument that men can just walk around anywhere free from danger is idiotic and wrong. 2) Being passive is easier, all you have is a load of nonsense rationalizations. It's not a social construct that men approach, that's why it's the same everywhere. If women approac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:30 PM
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You absolutely have an interest in discussing morality, this entire discussion is a moral one, the word 'morality' is literally in the title of the post. You've been using extremely morally charged language this entire time, I think you know this really. Your laughable claim that you aren't interested in discussing morality, or that it's a 'distraction' are preposterous. You're just trying a dishonest manoeuvre to dodge the point. ​ to distract from their own questionable behaviour The question …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:15 PM
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False rape accusations are 2%-10% of accusations. Not happening to 2% of the population. You phrase that like it's a correction of what someone said, but I don't see anyone else claiming that 2% of men are subject to false rape allegations. ​ So if 3% of women are raped or allege rape and 10% of those are false accusations, that means .3% of men involved in a rape accusation are falsely or baselessly accused. That's not even saying your odds of being falsely accused are .3%. If you're involved i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 03:48 PM
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The dodge hat-trick, superbly executed as well. In any case, it's late where I am (the UK, where the age of conset is actually 16, just saying...) so it's time for bed. I didn't mean anything by any cruel things I said earlier, that's my failing (maybe evil, if you believe in such things). Good night, God Bless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:19 AM
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Glad to be of service, I'd flee to another universe as well if I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:15 AM
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Yes, but you also said men do it out of a ''need to violate boundaries''. That's just straight up evil in my book. I asked you twice whether you agreed and you dodged both times. I really don't think I'm asking too much, it should be a simple yes/no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:10 AM
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Are you so desperate to avoid defending the moral claims you are clearly making that you're going to call discussion of good and evil 'distractions' in a, get this; moral argument? That's what we're having here, I would advise you to perhaps check the title of this post if you are in doubt. This is a moral argument, you are pressing moral charges. Are you going senile or something? Why do I have to explain things to you like you're a toddler?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:01 AM
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Yes, you said that already, and we can all say this about everything. This is a platitude you're giving me. ''Oh, how sad must Genghis Khan have been that he felt he needed to slaughter a tenth of humanity'' Yes, bla bla bla, very sad, very sad indeed. You included at least one thing in your little list of reasons that I, personally, regard as inarguably evil: ''a need to violate boundaries''. Not even a desire, a need. You're telling me you don't regard a need to violate the boundaries of other…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:42 PM
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I'd describe a desire to manipulate or the need to violate boundaries as evil. Wouldn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:25 PM
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Of course, of course, it's all those wicked, evil things. How fortunate that your visceral, hind-brain reaction to it is therefore totally justified. I do so love happy coincidences like that. Anything, anything but just accept the straightforward explanation: that women are most attractive to men in their late teens and early twenties, and that's all there is to it. Anything but that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:17 PM
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Sounds like I hit a nerve since you're no longer making actual points you're just flailing at me personally. Umad old lady?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:50 PM
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I mean you can think whatever you want. You can construct whatever convoluted narratives you want in your head about why the thing you just viscerally dislike for the usual self serving reasons that (older) women don't like such things is actually some kind of dreadful evil. All I really wanted you to know is that very few people are buying such nonsense besides other older women. No other group needs a complex narrative for why men find 18 year old girls hot, not when the real answer is so brea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:36 PM
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Your entire post is ridiculous and almost everything you said is wrong. 1) You don't have more security, go look at the actual crime statistics. You are far more likely to come to harm, you just feel less bad about it because men are less neurotic than women. Do anything you want? Try hitting a woman in public and see what happens, a woman can hit you no problem. 2) Yes, you are in the weaker position, you are the one who has to approach and bear all the risk of rejection. This is not an advanta…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:08 PM
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It's not a dodge at all. A dodge would be just saying ''I went to an all boy's school'' and not answering your question. At 14, what we all wanted was an 18 year old girl (or early 20s, you get what I'm saying). Had I gone to a mixed school and had more of a chance to have a girlfriend at 14, would I have been sufficiently attracted to a 14 year old girl to do so? Probably, especially if she developed early and looked older. Hormones are raging, I want to get with a female, and these are the fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 09:27 PM
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I went to an all boys school, and at 14, the girls we were all drooling over were older than us. You know...around 17+. Of course you don't have a shot with older girls when you're some scrawny little boy. There were a few guys who got girlfriends that early (I wasn't one of them) but these were just the girls they had access to, and even then the ones considered 'hotter' were the girls who developed early and looked older than they were. From the moment you become aware that your dick is for mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 08:27 PM
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I mean you're a creep at 18 if you're ugly as well so...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 08:16 PM
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Sticking with the convoluted explanation that better soothes your feelings? Colour me surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 08:02 PM
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What don't you women get with this? Seriously. All these convoluted theories you have. A man at 30 is not attracted to 18 year old girls for any other reason than he was attracted to them at 18. Nothing actually changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 05:56 PM
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Gender is an unimportant concept to me as well, since it doesn't exist and is a term co opted from grammar by Leftists to describe the way they wish sex worked. Sex, however, is a hugely important concept, whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:53 PM
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Don't talk like you know anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:06 AM
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Your evidence ranges from 1992 to 2016. Not that there isn't value in looking at that material, but you don't put up a very compelling argument if your information is outdated. A lot has happened and changed since 2016, let alone 1992. As opposed to your zero evidence. ​ You've spewed what you perceive the world is like rather than what it is. I perceive it correctly, you've spouted a bunch of left wing talking points with no evidence. I can hear this from any normie fresh out of the NPC clone l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:58 AM
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Can't argue with nothing of substance either, so I guess we're done.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:23 AM
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like lynching, murdering, systematic raping, or removal of rights Yeah, but none of that is happening. That's just the hegemonic left wing propaganda narrative. ​ Individuals of protected groups also face bullying and cancelation. Members of protected groups do not get canceled for shitting on hated groups. ​ I'm well aware of evil women. It just happens way less often than evil men. If there were women poisoning men at the rates men were killing women, I think it would be a huge deal and would …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:12 AM
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Absolutely, which is why yours is the cattle-tier normie opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 10:35 PM
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I don't, I just tank it. It's really not that bad, some people had hordes of Mongols show up to murder and enslave them, and they had to just deal with that. In the scheme of things I'm unbelievable lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:24 PM
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You're right it isn't, it was your place to defend your preposterous assertions with some attempt at a logical argument. Since you also failed miserably at that, I'd say the ship has kind of sailed on what you're supposed to be doing or not doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:20 PM
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In the West, where the political Left is hegemonic, the world is divided into hated groups and protected groups. Hated groups are the ones about whom negative generalizations are still acceptable, and can be made without cancelation/unpersoning. Hated groups are also subject to collective responsibility, as we see here. You have your example of a man performing an despicable act and you're asking questions that presuppose that this reflects on all men. I can find you stories of evil women who po…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:09 PM
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The only people who impose a sexual penalty are other guys. Lies, women punish weakness with lack of sexual success. ​ It's not the responsibility of women to sleep with these guys It actually is if you're serious about this ''it's ok for boys to cry'' thing. Shaming boys for being weak and crying is a useful warning against the negative consequences that will arrive in adulthood if you don't sort that shit out. Those negative consequences being women will not fuck you. What you're really saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 07:03 PM
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Collective responsibility, but only for hated groups (men, whites).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 06:15 PM
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unbalanced, violent psychopaths I've heard a few times now that is't 5% of the population that are psychopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 06:14 PM
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We need to teach boys is ok to cry and talk to each other. There's one way to do that - remove the sexual penalty that such behaviour carries, that means women have to sleep with these men. But now we're right back to the entitlement issue aren't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 06:06 PM
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Well, in answer to your original question then, yes, if you are working from a completely utilitarian moral framework, Hypergamy, along with a lot of other things, is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:56 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:54 PM
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Forced sterilization of the disabled sounds ok to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:35 PM
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So you're saying that if a good outcome can be achieved by wiping out a certain race or group, then it would be good to do so? For example, suppose a certain regime in mid century Germany decides that exterminating the disabled is a viable method to improve the gene pool. You're saying this is good?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:18 PM
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Rape and genocide are good or bad depending on circumstances?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:39 PM
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1) They are pits of degeneracy. Everyone in a strip club is being made worse, over time, by being there. I have been inside of one once for about five minutes and hated it. 2) None that I know of. 3) Degenerates.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:29 PM
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Isn't rape a good thing? Isn't war a good thing? Isn't genocide a good thing? Only the strongest races survive after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:23 PM
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I made an essentially identical case here. You made the same mistake as me, analogies are inherently weak as arguments because you leave the option open for the opponent to arbitrarily declare the two things disanalogous for whatever reason they wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:03 PM
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Your reply reminds me of some reading I was doing on rhetoric. It was claimed that an analogy should never be the core of your case, but only a supporting element. This is because, since it is in the nature of an analogy that the two things being compared will not be identical, a sufficiently dishonest opponent, or one who just doesn't want to accept your conclusion, can always simple seize on any tiny detail of difference and say ''this analogy doesn't hold''.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:00 PM
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Whether the analogy holds obviously doesn't hinge on the state of surgical technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:57 PM
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It's funny, I make basically the same argument regarding black crime stats and everyone calls me a Nazi and a monster.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:29 PM
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The top of our range women are no prettier than the average women in the photos. You blind?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:24 PM
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I would say women’s health isn’t a priority and that’s why we don’t have solutions to these problems. Then there is the real world where funding discrepancies for sex specific diseases overwhelmingly favour women. Honestly where do you get this stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:06 AM
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But thanks to birth control and civilization Two excellent male inventions!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:31 AM
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Whatever variables she means, I'm not the one who made the statement. Biology encompasses every aptitude an organism possesses, to say women just have a massive disadvantage in biology is to say they have lesser abilities across the board. I mean you've been asked for specifics, men struggle with dating, what do women struggle with? ''Oh, biology in general''. You don't see how that's basically just saying women are inferior to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:19 AM
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Better, higher in quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:08 AM
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Doesn't that basically translate to ''we're inferior''?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:15 AM
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The stats on who women send messages to shouldn't really be taken that seriously given that hardly any women sent messages at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 04:16 PM
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Both sexes seem to believe this is generally true of the other. Someone is correct. Just not who you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 04:00 PM
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Both sexes seem to think the other is deluded about the word 'average' means. One of them is right. It's just not the one that women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:58 PM
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It's irreducible, you may as ask me what's the appeal of hot women, or why I prefer pleasure to pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:16 PM
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Yeah but that's not what he said, he said men need to judge women on other things besides just looks, which means increasing not decreasing standards. The only reason the human species has lasted this long is because of men's low standards. Take that away and we're doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:15 PM
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I agree that men are interested in all types of women sexually. However when it comes to marriage and long term relationships, they will likely pick conventionally attractive women because women are trophies. Men are ridiculed for having non normative preferences. I suppose that could be true, but it's something you would need to demonstrate, it's just a bald claim as of now. If it were so easy to pressure men into marrying women other than those they are most viscerally attracted to the feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:02 PM
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Someone has to have reasonable standards or the birthrate will crater.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:45 PM
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there are lots of posts in main subs about women's love of different body types. There are all sorts of nonsense claims on all sorts of subs. I'm not interested in claims, I'm interested in revealed preference. Men have a revealed preference for all sorts of female body types, thin, thick, small boobs, big boobs, tall, short, even sometimes up to obese. You can see this revealed preference in all sorts of media, Reddit, porn, strip clubs etc. Yes, the niches are not as popular as the 'classic' l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:23 AM
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Yes let me just wave my magic wand and make the raw data appear. Honestly you don't even have to provide the raw data yourself, you could link me to a claim that someone is supporting with the raw data. If there was actual data supporting these claims, I strongly suspect it would have been presented alongside these claims, by way of evidence. The fact it wasn't leads me to believe that it does not exist. ​ what you're calling ''dubious claims'' are first hand accounts from admissions departments…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:38 AM
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Can you clean that mess up please? Seriously, for somebody supposedly making over 200 grand a year you would think you could string together a few sentences. This isn't just me roasting you by the way, if you actually do so I'll respond properly. I'm just not prepared to try and decipher that garbage, especially when it's that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:27 AM
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The fact is "dating apps are not 50% of the market" I never claimed they were. You already admitted fault for using the wrong term, so if you incorrectly thought I was claiming dating apps were 50% of the market, that is your failing and not mine. Hence, I never lied, and your claims that I did constitute slander. You are in fact the liar here, and if you have even a shred of dignity you'll withdraw your accusation and apologize. I won't hold my breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:24 AM
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That would end our species though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:03 AM
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I've told you the evidence that would be good enough; hard data like grade averages. It's not my fault you can't provide it and have nothing but some dubious claims. If men are being admitted to university with lower grades it should be trivially easy to demonstrate. When the white identitarian types or the asians complain about affirmative action for blacks they don't rely on some claims, they just give you the raw GPA data. ​ There's literally 0 evidence to support your position by the way. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:26 PM
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My thumb is not on the scale. Men’s appearance matter less and there’s more acceptable variations for male bodies. Some women like skinny, some like bear, some like farm boy, some like muscular. Literally the opposite of everything you said there is true. There is more acceptable variation in female bodies. All women like the muscular type, that's it. You can find right here on Reddit, there will be subs dedicated to various niche female types, even up to obese and other things generally conside…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:21 PM
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Yeah, I suppose playing dumb and not answering probably is your best line at this point I say you're a liar yourself, and you cannot prove any lies that I told.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:36 PM
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How is this confusing you ? The person responsible for letting people into university is saying “I let men in with lower grades”. This is well documented. I don't give a shit, everyone is biased in favour of women, either consciously or unconsciously . Unless these claims can be verified by looking at hard data like grade averages, I'm handwaving it. I read through your links, and the only one I would take seriously is the Brigham Young one. Leaked internal documents showing an actual quantifiab…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:33 PM
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These admission directors are explicitly stating men with lower grades can get in. Yeah, so I want that data, not their claims about it. ''Do the research yourself'' is not an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:12 PM
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And I wasn't gonna answer things after you lied. Where is the lie? Before you answer that I strongly suggest you go back and take a look at the chronology of the events you are talking about, before you make an extremely big fool of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:55 PM
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But women aren’t hot for their whole lives More than long enough to either convince a man to take care of you until he dies, or make enough money to be comfortable until you die (provided you don't blow it on frivilous nonsense). ​ and generally have to work very hard to maintain their apperances Nowhere near as hard as men have to work. The ideal male physique requires orders of magnitude more pain, labour and discipline to achieve and maintain. It just seems like less because of your thumb on …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:53 PM
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You didn't have a point. I asked you several questions, you ignored all of them. We both know it's because if you give honest answers your case collapses ​ And meeting people online isn't the same as using a dating app. Yes and you are the one who originally equivocated on that point. You answered my claim about ''online dating'' with one dumb line about ''dating apps''. I guess I missed that you'd changed the subject for no reason without informing me, and now you have the cheek to be acting sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:44 PM
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I don't particularly care what's said in a survey, if you can show me actual statistics on grades I'll take it seriously. We can do a survey to ask juries whether they are biased and somehow I think that might conflict with the actual statistics showing jury bias on severl fronts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:32 PM
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So you're admitting that the following reply you made: ​ That happens exactly because there's more man than women, don't like it don't use that apps was a random non sequitur designed to avoid my point? Before this point we were both talking about 'online dating' then you randomly start blathering about apps and answer none of what I asked in the previous reply (which you still haven't done).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:30 PM
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Go back and actually deal with my second reply, then you can whine about me ignoring your request for stats you could find yourself with a 3 second good search, and will handwave anyway when you find that I am correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:21 PM
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There are so many ways to monetize being a hot woman I can't be bothered to list them. If you have eyes and are honest you will already know the point I'm getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:16 PM
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Never said you did, it's just your very basic one line replies that don't really deal with any of what I said, and convey very simple concepts do lead to me question it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:15 PM
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At no point does fishing involve talking to fish, unless you are insane. Even if they could talk you wouldn't ask them how to catch them. Your analogy is dumb and bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:14 PM
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It's 50% of the total market. And the rest of what I said, or you didn't even understand it? Your replies don't exactly suggest intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:57 PM
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You're the safest group that has ever existed, by miles. Please check your delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:30 PM
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but male-only shelters are practically nonexistent. What are you talking about? Those are everywhere, they're called prisons.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:28 PM
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Yeah but it matters more when it happens to a woman because they are more valuable by default, did you factor that in?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:24 PM
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There is literally affirmative action in favour of men in most places Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:16 PM
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It's not like being a hot women, you aren't just set for life. Being a hot guy doesn't just take care of your whole life, it's not the answer to every question you may come across. There is still the atquestion of ''so what are you going to do?'' It's not as easy as ''I'll be a hot dude'', like it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:15 PM
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There are a lot of costs you aren't factoring in. Whatever the quality of these things is now obviously isn't enough to overcome these, hence there hasn't been large scale adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:45 PM
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That sounds amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:27 PM
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They're not good enough yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:26 PM
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Online dating sucks for men. For women it's a free validation buffet. Any problems women encounter with it, are, as men point out, self-inflicted problems created by their own insane selectivity. That's not really what I was getting at though. It says in the link you posted that women's selectivity strongly increases with group size. Do you suppose that, given a sufficiently large group, this factor could increase female selectivity with regards to looks to be greater than men's? How do you supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:23 PM
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I read through your first link and and found the most interesting line by far to be the last one. ​ Finally, male selectivity is invariant to group size, while female selectivity is strongly increasing in group size. Combine this factor with online dating. GG.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:16 PM
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In other words, you study the fish, from afar. Which doesn't equate to asking it, at all. Even if fish could speak, you wouldn't ask them. Your analogy breaks down at the first hurdle. Then imagine that the conclusions that are reached from studying the fish, or asking the fisherman, are denied by the fish because the fish think these conclusions make them look bad. What do you do in this situation? The obvious answer is to ignore what the fish say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:13 PM
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You mean be one of those creepy, evil, manipulators who deserves to get blown out when he finally makes his move because he started the 'friendship' under duplicitous pretences, demonstrating his evil, dreadful character, which then retroactively becomes the reason he was struggling in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:25 PM
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Make sure you remember though guys, all negative claims about women on aggregate are false and misogyny. Aggregate flaws are just something men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 07:17 PM
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Well partially it's them asking what the women want and they all say he must be rich Yeah I can see that, but that's just based on what the women are saying they want. The fact is, if you want a rich guy you will need to go for an older one. There aren't that many trust fund kids who are rich at 20 to go around. RP advice is just don't sleep around and get married early (at the peak of your value). It's up to the women to decide what they want in a man, if lots of money is high up on the list th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 04:33 PM
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Men do have this crazy notion which they mention here a lot that women want to "share" top men. No men think this, you're misunderstanding the argument. Women don't ''want'' to share the top men, a lot are just willing to as the price for any access at all to those men. It's not some kind of ideal situation, it's a compromise. Even your first reply kind of implies that mistaken line of thinking. The choice many women actually get to make is not between, be man A's only wife or be one of man A's …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 03:34 PM
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Well all we have is your bald claim that ''90%'' of RP guys say this. You're probably just misunderstanding the common RP claim that a 35 year old guy with money can attract younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 03:27 PM
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Which is fair, I'm not sure why you didn't open with that then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 02:25 PM
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marry the rich and otherwise good guy or at least wealthy so a guy that is at least 35 years old. ​ This is the mistake upon which all your other ranting is based, and why it's wrong. Where are you getting this idea that TRP says women should only be marrying 35 year old guys with money?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 02:24 PM
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What if the man has more resources (even once having paid for his other wives and children) than any other available man has in total?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 02:15 PM
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It's a bad theory. It is a complex and counterintuitive explanation for something which has a far more obvious, far more intuitive, and far simpler explanation available. The fact that it's internally consistent does not mean much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 11:16 PM
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Occam's Razor: It's just harder, as is the norm among mammals. You don't need to be desperately looking for reasons why not, you don't need to be concocting theories about it. Just like in a thousand other species, reproduction is basically guaranteed for females, while the males have to prove something. It really is that easy. No need for wall of text explanations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 11:06 PM
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I am, monstrously so. The difference between you and I, is that I realize this fact. And you could have written ''moo'' or ''braaaains'' and it would have simplified all of yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 10:34 PM
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Has it? Yes. ​ As far as I can see, people work as much if not more than pretty much any other period of human history. People have a hard time securing housing. People lose jobs frequently, and struggle to pay bills. The average American is pretty poor. Then you know nothing about history. 30 minutes work at a minimum wage job will buy you luxuries that only nobles and kings would have had access to in times past. You can buy quality meat and eat like a king for almost no money. Have you looked…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 09:42 PM
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My ideas about the world are as not-normie as it gets If that's the case, how did you end up with all these cattle-tier normie positions? ​ More worried about dubious Malthusian claims around global population than concrete demograph collapse of own civilization. Deranged hatred of Capitalism, the system which (though far from perfect) has resulted in levels of wealth and ease unimaginable to prior generations. Atomized individualist who claims to have no affinity for their own civilization or p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 06:37 PM
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Remember to feel bad for the poor, poor celebrities then, for they surely have it the hardest of all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:10 PM
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You don't have some nuanced position, you have the factory setting normie opinions I can hear from any braindead drone fresh out of the NPC clone lab. You have passively absorbed a bunch of anti-natalist garbage which is pumped out in the West in service to (Leftist) political objectives, and you don't even realize. I bet you haven't even really looked into how many people the Earth can even support, similar Malthusian claims were made in the past and turned out to be total hogwash. ​ Only you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:58 AM
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… no. I am a person. Never said you werent. Leftists are people. ​ I don't believe in sides Yet you've taken one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:31 AM
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You're a Leftist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 12:40 AM
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I didn't say you were a Leftist, I said you had succumbed to Leftish brainwashing. The simple fact that you even think in terms of a homogenized global population, and not in terms of local conditions proves this. You're essentially arguing that it's a good thing that western civilization is failing and has no future due to low birth rates, because something something the global population is growing anyway. This is Leftist brainwashing designed to make you not care as your civilization fades aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 12:24 AM
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I guess if I can't get through the Leftist brainwashing then I can't get through it. Sleep well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 11:58 PM
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Uh, no it isnt. Just scroll down the list, all the western nations have sub-replacement birthrates, some dramatically so. You should also bear in mind that the 'true' figures are worse than what is presented on wikipedia. Those figures include high-fertility immigrant groups, birth rates among native populations are in the gutter and it seems likely western civilization is going to collapse as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 11:00 PM
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If we had high birthrates What about non-civilization-endingly low birthrates?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:57 PM
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The other side of the coin isn't women being picky, it's women using proxy violence or false accusations to harm men once they've been rejected. Women naturally experience rejection a lot less though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:33 PM
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Is that completely obvious? How is the whole family stability/sustainable birthrates thing going since we switched systems?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 08:14 PM
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we would need to have as much women not wanting to change sex as men not wanting to Well, male to female transgenderism is significantly more common than the reverse. I'm not sure I would chalk that up to the privileges of being a man vs a woman, but on the face of it it supports my case. ​ let's put it this way: if you were to be reincarnated and have a choice (without any recollection of your past life) do you think, sincerely, that the number of women choosing to be a woman again would be as …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:45 PM
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following your logic (fallacy by the way) Name the fallacy and explain where and how it was committed. ​ you believe that a black male person would prefer to be born as a woman? No idea how you got that from what I said. ​ your first mistake was to take gender and ethnicity as a same criteria, they aren't because they are on a totally different level You're obviously having trouble following what I'm saying, I agree that sex and race are different, but the difference helps my case, it does not h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:13 PM
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Occam's Razor: Humans are not a massive, inexplicable exception to the rule that among mammals, the overwhelming majority of competitive pressure falls on males in reproduction. The reason you think we are is because of your statistically massive female in-group bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:21 PM
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Neither are adults, they're still their parent's children though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:13 PM
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You're still a mother, just to a murdered child.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:56 PM
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Men's option to have a child or not ends with him deciding to have sex. This is essentially the same situation that pro-life people think women should be forced into, and women hate it. That's the best way of putting that I've ever seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:52 PM
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It might be the worst world, but it's the one that best suites female interests, and most enables female selfishness, which is the reason it's the one we've got.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:48 PM
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Right, you act like I don't know you have access to Google. So now try to explain how what I said is hypocritical. I'll even give you a heads up on what my next move will be after you give your stupid, illogical answer, to make this more interesting. I'm going to apply whatever answer you give to the question of race, and ask you why it doesn't apply to black people who maintain that whites have privilege, or easier lives in general, but who wouldn't become white if given the chance (which i thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:35 PM
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Concentration camp logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:23 PM
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An ''actual living baby'' is a lump of cells, as are you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:16 PM
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You're overcomplicating it by thinking about these specific situations. Just keep t simple. The core of it is strength, courage, resilience, and stoicism. It's not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:06 PM
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The women actually doesn't if she doesn't want to. We don't even allow the lives of unborn babies to get in the way of women skipping out on their responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:03 PM
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Where is your ''reproduction is fundamentally unequal'' line now? How about, you're the one who is pregant, so it's your problem. Oh, we don't like that application? We need to use laws and the government to correct the fact that nature allows men to skip off with a whistle? Yeah...funny that. Funny how ''that's just the way it is'' is only an acceptable argument when women are on the good end of a discrepancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:55 PM
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that’s a good defense, an hypocritical one, but good nonetheless I don't think you understand what that word means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:51 PM
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I said misogyny is not helping for men who aren't getting laid. I think thats debatable, I think my interpretation of your original comment is a much more natural way of reading it. I could almost accuse you of employing a classic Motte and Bailey. In any case, you must at least be able to see how irritating it is for men to have women chalk failure up to character flaws, when said flaws are so readily forgiven in attractive men. It's akin to having a teacher who berates the slow pupils in the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 11:52 PM
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If you are ~good~ at hiding your radical political opinions you are a kind of person regular people aren't prepared to defend themselves against. I doubt you are actually that good. It's the other way around, you don't need to be good, you just need to be not terrible. I don't claim to be 'good' at colouring inside the lines, it's just a thing I can do because it's easy and I'm not retarded. ​ Do you really think a woman you date wouldn;t pick up on the fact that you think all women are basicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:50 PM
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Save your weird RP stats for someone who thinks this sort of thing isn’t a niche interest for lonely incels that want to make “logical/marginal” excuses for why they are alone. I assume you mean save my weird RP stats for someone who understands the absolute basics of statistics, like what a normal distribution is, and is therefore even capable of interpreting them in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:28 PM
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Do you think that men who think women are ‘the oldest teenagers in the room’ isn’t obvious? Yes, I think it's not obvious. I hold extremely unfahionable far right political opinions which would make me a social pariah if they were known by everyone I meet. It's absolutely no problem to conceal it when talking to people outside my inner circle, easiest thing in the world. Besides which, according to women generally, it's impossible to tell which guys are violent maniacs who will beat you. Excuse …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:26 PM
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No, I'm too attached to myself as I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:24 PM
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Longest average lifespan in best overall health of any group ever. Most access to material luxuries at the cost of lowest labour and effort of any large group, ever. Most political rights and freedoms in exchange for fewest social obligations and duties of any group, ever. Most physical safety of any group, ever. I'm talking about western women here, the ones who tend to whine the loudest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 11:18 PM
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Could it make a difference in some edge cases? Sure, assuming the man in question is too stupid for the extremely easy act of concealing such views for a time. That isn't what you claimed though, you came in with the usual BP gaslighting of ''the issue is misogyny'', as if the ranks of unsuccessful men are filled out with all the misogynists, rather than just guys who are physically unattractive. Don't think I didn't notice the sly edit by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 11:14 PM
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More or less, yes. I mean you can gaslight all you want, but the bottom line is that 6'2'', 220lbs, good looking misogynist is going to do way, way better than 5'6'', average looking guy with heart of gold. Miles, miles better. There are these things called eyeballs, most men have two of them in front of their head. You should factor that into how far you try to distort the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 10:29 PM
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If that's the conclusion you've drawn from reading PPD, then I feel very sorry for you. It's clear that men want more than just to get their dick wet. They want someone to want them and love them. Framing the male desire for companionship in the worst terms possible helps them to not feel like bad people or hypocrites for totally dismissing the troubles of men while expecting men to give a shit about the nonsense they complain about, like the fake pay gap. It's isn't meant to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 10:11 PM
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Misogyny is being address because it's the main issue. Misogyny is no barrier to success to women assuming one is attractive. Misogynistic guys who are unattractive fail with women due to being unattractive, not due to their views. You need to stop gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:06 PM
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Largely pointless, women have an enormous in-group bias, 400% greater than men's. It's obviously biological in nature, you are just slamming your head into that whenever you argue this or several other points with a woman. Her evaluation of you, your efforts, your worthiness etc is just so much less generous than what she extends to herself and to other women that she'll always see you as the cause of your own, easily-fixed-if-you'd-just-stop-being-such-a-lazy-loser, problems. There is no gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:03 PM
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Mating rituals are different in different cultures though, dude what are you even saying lol? Sure, but there are no cultures where women are expected to initiate. The through line is that men take the active role, the role you take when you're in the weaker position. The only thing that I've ever heard of changing this dynamic is a dramatic sex imbalance where there are too few men. ​ Sure some people may treat romantic/sexual relationships like transactions like you RP seem to think Everybody …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 02:48 PM
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And that’s the problem with you RP guys, “pussy market” y’all act like human interaction is like the stock market. It isn’t. It absolutely is, and this is the problem with you blue pillers, you refuse to acknowledge basic reality. Mating absolutely functions like a market, in fact, since the mating market long predates the economic market, it might be more accurate to say that markets function like the mating game. ​ Men asking out women is simply a social norm. That is all Again, that's flatly …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 12:04 AM
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And my victim complex? Lmao, you are the wine whining “woe is me, women don’t ask me out!” Yeah no shit, because that’s not the social norm. Sorry bud but usually men do the asking, which is why gay men have hit on you. I'm not complaining about it, I'm bringing it up to point out that you are whining about a situation that is better than my situation, and I am far more physically attractive than you are, assuming your self assessment is accurate. Men doing the approaching is not a 'social norm'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 09:45 PM
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Muscle insertions and bone size are the factors determining how good you look with that extra muscle - these are genetic. Hm, I can see that being true, I've known several guys to take steroids though and all of them just suddenly became jacked. I can't imagine this is some high percentage thing where you take steroids and still don't get big. ​ I used to think like you, until i realized how many gym users actually take steroids I went through something very similar at about 22/23 when I was goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 09:14 PM
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So the countless women in this thread including myself that have stated “I’m basically invisible to men” mean nothing to you because you haven’t been asked out? Basically yes, I know how delusional women are and how much you like to exaggerate your own victimhood. We've all by now heard about the female 'Incel' community that had to go private to prevent too many men showing up trying to pick up the girls there. No doubt they all have woe is me stories like yours: ''Oh, I'm invisible to Chad''. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 09:06 PM
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Some women are socially awkward, fat, covered in acne, shut ins, I could go on and on. Shut ins, sure, if you avoid men completely you can avoid the male attention, that does work. The rest of the things you listed will be no problem. ​ I’m not even hideous I’m about a 4/10 and I have never literally never had a “line of guys” after me. In my 32 years of life I’ve maybe had like 10-15 guys ask me out since I was like, 13? I'm a tall, handsome man and I've had 0 women ask me out in my 30 years. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 06:49 PM
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Yeah fair enough, there are risks to taking steroids, I'm pretty sure you're always paying some kind of cost, whether it be immediately like this guy, or later on. I still don't think it's correct to say that you have to hope to have good genes and take steroids. You can either have good genes, in which case you can just have a basic gym regimen and you'll get yoked, or you can roll the dice with the steroids. In the vast majority of cases steroids will give you the jacked physique you want with…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:55 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me how quickly he blue pill crowd come out saying that they never say the things they all say whenever somebody posts something like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:17 PM
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You're correct if trying to do it natty, literally anyone can get yoked out of their mind if they take steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:14 PM
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If we're talking about reasonably young women, then absolutely yes. Every 2 or 3 out of 10 woman has a 4 or 5 out of 10 guys following her around like a puppy dog, desperate to be with her. Usually they have several, I've seen it. Really regardless of what percentile of attractiveness you are as a woman, your experience of the sexual marketplace will be orders of magnitude better than an equivalent male. At least it will be in terms of getting attention and compliments and whatnot, there's the h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:43 PM
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Do you feel inconvenienced when ugly gay men attempt to pick you up and waste your time? How about when attractive women try to pick you up? I react differently to each one, and nobody here has suggested that women do not have the right to do the same. The point of contention is when you start trying to make being unattractive a moral issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 09:01 PM
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Species isn’t going to die out. Most people are doing just fine. Because men initiate. If men took the passive approach of women the birth rate would crater to near zero. ​ Women want less attention from men they aren't attracted to. Women wanting something does not make it a moral imperative. You can't have moral rules that only apply to unattractive men. The attractiveness of a person is not a valid factor to hinge a moral judgement on. Perhaps you simply cannot comprehend such a typically mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:21 PM
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Well of course there is a moral significance to demanding someone’s time and attention. Men’s desire to get their dick wet is not more important than whatever women are doing. I mean somebody has to do it or the human species dies out, and we all know women are too chicken. That is really besides the point though, the point being made here is that you need to pick a lane, it's either creepy and wrong or it's not. That cannot depend on how attractive the man is. What aren't you getting about this…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:07 PM
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What an idiotic take on his statement, though I suppose when your opponent's argument is airtight you're basically forced into bad faith interprepations of what they are saying. The point is that women very, very often attach moral significance to men's behaviour in this way, like if you do this you're creepy, or some other morally loaded term. Whether or not I'm creepy, whether or not I've done something morally improper, cannot hinge on how physically attractive I am. Not in any kind of valid …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:14 PM
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Sure. The example that springs to my mind would be Hatun Tash, she's a Christian woman who proselytizes to Muslims at speakers corner in London. There have been multiple attempts on her life and she says she fully expects to be killed. I won't link to it but it should be pretty easy to find the video of her being stabbed in the face over sharing the Gospel, she passes out then gets right back up and goes back at it. She shames me with her courage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:09 PM
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Women trade fun for an increased risk of all these ''terrible things'' all the time. If the threat of sexual assault and the like was such an overwhelming concern it would come out in ways other than whining about it on the internet. It would manifest in not going out at night dressed like whores, it would manifest in not getting drunk or doing substances around people you don't know well. Women love to claim that they basically live their lives around this fear but I don't see it at all. In the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 12:59 AM
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Is there pussy that's worth an extremely low risk of being made a sex slave to a bunch of Albanian gangsters for? If you're about to answer no, consider how many times in your life you have answered 'yes' to the question ''is getting where I am going marginally faster worth a slightly increased chance of dying screaming, trapped in a burning car at the side of the road?''
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 12:29 AM
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Unless we don't apply the 50x severity modifer whenever anything happens to a woman. Anal rape is neccessarily a more physically brutal act than vaginal rape. Your intestine is not supposed to have anything shoved up it under any circumstances. I get what the OP is going for by saying sodomized, they are trying to make it absolutely unappealing, but lets not pretend that anal and vaginal sex are equally brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 12:23 AM
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A strawman fallacy is when you construct an extremely weak version of your opponent's argument, which is easy to defeat, and then argue against this weak version as though that is what they said. This is often achieved by grossly exaggerating the claims or expectations that the person is espousing. The strawman you constructed was this: ​ I'm assuming that your version is that the woman agrees with him, throws on a hijab, and subjects herself into a life of basement dwelling from now on? ​ The e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 08:04 PM
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If that's what you choose to tell yourself that is entirely your own business. Your strawman of my position three replies ago was sufficiently egregious and outrageous that I'm confident any honest third party who bothers to read the exchange will agree that I am justified in not debating the point with you further.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 07:47 PM
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There's no point continuing to rant. As I said I've concluded you are too dishonest to bother with further.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 07:34 PM
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I was forumlating a reply, but I've decided the level of dishonesty displayed in your last post marks further discussion as foredoomed. I think you are perfectly well aware that not wanting your girlfriend dressed like a streetwalker plying her trade is not automatically insisting that she wear a hijab and never go out. It's a common dishonest female tactic of exaggerating perfectly reasonable male expectations basically beyond recognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 07:13 PM
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Yes, that's my point. Dating and relationships is a point of vulnerability and the possiblity of being hurt can't be mitigated or completely at zero as you're implying. Nowhere did I say or imply that, that's something you've invented out of whole cloth. I no more believe that than I believe that the chances of being killed in a car accident can be reduced to zero by wearing a seatbelt, driving under the speed limit, and never driving while intoxicated or tired. The risk can merely be reduced, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 06:45 PM
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People who have boundaries still get cheated on, lied to, deceived, and left. Sure, and people who weren't drunk at the time still get into car accidents. Driving a car is an inherently dangerous activity, and as you suggested yourself later on in your reply, so is having an intimate relationship with another person. There is no way to love somebody else without becoming vulnerable. ​ Having boundaries in a relationship simply means leaving said person who isn't being the partner that you want o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 05:13 PM
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They have it, they just allow themselves to be cajoled into ignoring it by society, because they're weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 01:41 AM
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You aren't sly though, do you think everyone isn't aware that you are 100% bothered by what's going on and are only pretending to be ok with it because you are bowing to social pressure to not seem 'insecure'. You know what's really beta? Ignoring or overruling your own perfectly natural instincts because you got browbeat into it by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 01:39 AM
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Well you're saying a man doesn't get any opinion on his girlfriend/wife going out dressed like she's for the streets. Saying so doesn't make it bother guys any less, so if I can't attempt to modify the behaviour, my only recourse is to terminate the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 01:10 AM
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Good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 12:47 AM
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Because your partner has her own agency. She chooses to wear what she wants. The end result of that line of reasoning is to leave immediately as soon as you encounter any behaviour that you don't like. And women love to whine that guy's ghost and don't take commitment seriously anymore, well, what do you expect when that's the only move left.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 12:29 AM
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This just isn't true. People will often adjust how they treat you based on what you'll put up with. If you act like fidelity is not a big deal to you by ignoring (pretending to ignore) the little things, it could easily convince the other party that you in fact don't take it seriously. Acceptance of disrespect invites more and worse of the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 12:27 AM
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It makes it harder for women to openly court attention from other men with an eye to trading up, anything that infringes on the female sexual imperative is going to be condemned by society. That's just how things work these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 11:01 PM
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We're talking about the top 90%.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 08:03 PM
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Yes. I'll accept an extremely low risk of something very bad to have the mating game on easy mode. People take this trade basically every day, you take it every time you speed, every time you drive after 'just one drink', every time you eat food that fell on the floor etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 08:00 PM
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I've always thought I was too skinny. If 'sex is on the table' as you put it then the woman must already be aware of this, since it isn't something that can be hidden, so I've never avoided sex on that score.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 04:05 PM
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If that's your term for 'reality', then sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:43 PM
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Eyeballs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 10:42 PM
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I think so, though I expect to a lesser extent than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 10:41 PM
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Yeah you hit the nail on the head, the 'bare minimum' line annoys me as well. If you're attractive you can easily bypass it as a requirement, and if you're not attractive it doesn't help you at all. So the truth is it's basically irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 08:04 PM
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Easily corrected problems when you still have electricity, running water, the internet etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:36 PM
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Take out all women from the labor force and watch society collapsing. You mean watch the slight hiccup followed by business as usual?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:21 PM
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If men can do it, women can do it. Yeah...no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 08:14 PM
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No, but you would be within a few days if aliens abducted us all tomorrow. The same could not be said of us if you all disappeared.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:24 PM
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We're thinking of a large subset of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 06:52 PM
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The reason you can think this is because men have done such a good job of subduing the world that you can sit safely in the bubble of safety, plenty, and order, with the threats and demands of nature pushed off into the distance, and think your ridiculous delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 06:48 PM
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It doesn't matter how many times it's pointed out, in the minds of women, this will remain all a conspiracy or male 'cope' right up until the moment ww3 or a depression hits. Then we'll get the lightbulb moment. Until then, they don't want to believe it, so it's not true, you'll never break through that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 06:37 PM
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Right, so you've pointed out that women filter into most of the easiest jobs, where they produce, as a group, less than they consume, and you think that establishes that men depend on women? Which sex exactly do you think would feel more of an adjustment in their collective standard of living? Men who have to take up women's nursing roles? Or women having to take up resource extraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 06:33 PM
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I think my cousin is a good example of a bad boy. He has 5 children by 4 baby mamas, and I believe 10 of his other children have been aborted. He has dealt drugs and done prison time (not a lot). His personality is basically what you'd expect from someone like this, selfish, treacherous, manipulative etc. It's all completely obvious, he even looks the part. He has absolutely no problems getting girls, If he breaks up with one he'll have another within the week, I've seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 06:28 PM
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Like, people can vote for politicians who will say no to handing out money. Can they? Who are they to vote for in that case? I'm in the UK and our Conservative (the equivalent of your Republicans if I assume you are American) party has been in power for more than a decade. National debt still skyrockets, the welfare state is as massive as ever. Maybe it's different where you are but from where I am standing the ''say no to government handouts'' faction simply has no political representation, at …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:25 PM
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The way we get a handle on hyperinflation is; everyone needs to say no to the free money from the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 05:08 PM
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Yes, I have a fair amount of sympathy for those women who are not running all those cynical little 'game theory' plays. The more common they become in the general population the more skeptical men become by default. Men face a similar problem and this doesn't just applt to dating. This is how you get behavioural sinks, the benefits of being honest decline rapidly when too many people around you are dishonest since you'll be assumed to be dishonest as well, the incentive then is to become dishone…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:08 PM
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We're just playing the averages, it's simply more common to be a matter of leverage rather than a genuine attempt to protect oneself. This is evidenced by how quickly such concerns tend to evaporate provided the man is superficially attractive enough. There is also the common phenomenon of women agreeing amongst themselves that using deception to conceal this dynamic is fine, which has gotten out to men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 04:21 PM
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This is largely true. The big difference in my view is that the value hierarchy is the 'correct' way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 12:17 PM
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I'm just relaying to you what the party line from the women on this sub is. I had a look earlier through my past posts for a couple of tediously long exchanges I had on this subject with two of the regulars on here. The search feature is non existant though and I couldn't find them after 20 minutes so I'll just give you the gist. One of the women maintained that only mentioning personality traits like loyalty, kindness, and truthworthiness, and omitting the bulk of the selection criteria (height…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 01:20 AM
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It’s interesting bc when I ask women what their standards are it’s usually things like “is funny, is a drinker, has hobbies, etc”. Where is this tall, 6 figures coming from? According to the women on this sub, it's supposed to be so obvious that 6'+, 6 figures etc is first and foremost that saying it would be silly. In fact, if you can't ''read between the lines'' and understand that all the superficial standards were implied you are an autist or have non-existant social skills, which is the rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 05:45 PM
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Where the team originated from doesn't define what it is And what is it? A fetus is an unborn baby, that's it. We have sterile sounding Latin classifications for people as well ''homo sapiens'', it doesn't change what we're talking about. ​ I insist on it because I don't see something that can't survive on it's own as a human child A one year old can't survive on it's own either, is it ok to kill those? Leaving that aside though, it doesn't actually matter what you 'see' as a human child, the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:34 PM
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Taking an action that causes someone to go from being alive to being dead is killing them. Fetus is just a Latin word meaning small child or offspring, your side likes to always insist on it because it's a nice, sterile, clinical sounding word that somewhat hides what is really happening, which is the murder of unborn babies. Your position, shorn of euphemism and pretense, is just so awful and monstrous that a lot of people on your side need to hide the truth of it even from yourselves. My posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:27 PM
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Abortion isn't killing If you want to live in delusion, that is entirely your own business. The rest of us must attend to reality, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 06:10 PM
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A woman who doesn't want to pay child support can simply kill the child during pregnancy. Women can kill, but men can't abandon, that's your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 04:33 PM
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English please.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 04:18 PM
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You're playing dumb and we're both well aware of it. You know perfectly well what my point is. When your position is so obviously hypocritical it's no wonder you have to employ schoolyard tactics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:40 PM
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You're delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:12 PM
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He's largely correct. Women are not going to be held to adult (male) standards of responsibility, ever. You need to accept that and incorporate it into your thinking, it is not going to happen, no matter how much you whine or how airtight your arguments are when pointing out the discrepency. If you're trying to formulate solutions for things, even in theory, you need to begin with the premise that holding women accountable the way men are held accountable is an impossibility a priori.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 12:59 PM
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But you don't get power and authority over someone else's bodily processes. But I have to financially underwrite those processes, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 12:55 PM
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So just unironically the ''all the power/authority for the woman and all the responsibility for the man'' line? I guess you're honest at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 12:35 PM
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It makes perfect sense, if you cannot follow it you should have stayed in school longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 12:11 AM
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Right, so studies are worthless because results can never be extrapolated to the general population, but we can extrapolate from single examples? Interesting. I also find it interesting that you brought up 'studies' at all, given that I didn't. You just assume I'll have studies to back up my view, I don't. I don't even know if any research has been done in this area. I didn't come to my position by looking at studies, it just seems clear from watching how men and women act, and particularly how …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:07 PM
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Lets assume that's true and you are the perfect wife. You are playing out, right now, another commonly observed female trait which Red Pillers talk about but that you no doubt believe is 'ridiculous', and that is the inability to discuss population level phenomena.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 10:41 PM
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Of course, and women largely define love the same way men do, ie in the man's willingness to sacrifice for her. Ask a woman about true love and much of the time you'll get an example like Titanic, you'll almost never get talk of that kind of sacrificial self-abnegating love flowing from female to male.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 10:25 PM
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I think the RP line is more that women only love children, and not men, rather than that they are incapable of love at all. That's how I see it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 10:07 PM
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Being against all sorts of horrors was a minority belief at some point; slavery, genocide etc. Baby murder is just the current one. And please, whatever feeble rationalizations you use to salve your own conscience are entirely your own business and belong inside your own head. It's embarressing to hear them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 06:08 PM
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For now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 05:06 PM
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Well yes, the ''they aren't real people'' argument is the most common argument you see among those trying to justify mass murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 04:33 PM
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Well fetus is just the Latin word for small child. Ultimately we have a number of terms for various life stages of the human being, none of them have a bearing on whether it's ok to kill them, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 04:31 PM
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In the game of reproduction, the female gametes are worth way more than than the male ones. This is both from a supply/demand perspective, with men producing billions of times more sperm over a lifetime than women have eggs, and also in the sense that 99% of the biological 'work' of bringing a fertilized embryo to term falls on the women. This fundamental imbalance governs basically the entire meta of the mating game. The reason why dating is orders of magnitude easier for women than men? It's b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 04:07 PM
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I think the only argument at that point would be that the child is innocent and deserves to be taken care of. Do you also object to innocent children being vaccumed out of their mother's womb and tossed out with the medical waste?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:53 PM
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Ok so, we're making some progress towards you finally admitting your actual position. The reason it's so hard is because you know it's evil and you are ashamed. Your actual position is this: ​ The problem with adoption is that a woman has to go through pregnancy and give birth... Women are not broodmares - we shouldn't be forced by law to let a baby we don't want gestate inside of us and endure the consequences of childbirth to produce children for other people unless we choose to ​ You felt the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:02 PM
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What exactly do you think you just established? The edge case you've been trying to limit the discussion to isn't even mentioned in that little list you just gave me. Am I to take it that the reason for this is that abortions carried out for the sake of anything that could be considered 'medical reasons' even using very generous definitions, are is exeedingly low? The number is so low that even while you quote the figures you leave that one out? All the reasons listed boil down to convenience. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:56 PM
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More than enough families willing to take these babies as their own, not children. That’s why the foster care system is overrun with children. Which, again, is irrelevant unless you are suggesting that older children should be 'aborted' as well. If the option of abortion is still on the table then the baby has not been born and there is therefore no question of whether a family will adopt it. You keep bringing up older children in foster care as a red herring and an evasion. ​ Your example doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 11:39 PM
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The thing is, normal people - such as our ancestors - often had to abandon family to die when their numbers exceeded their resources. Excess children, the elderly, etc. Abortion is a modern variation of this tragic concept; it’s also kinder since it’s being performed before the baby has finished developing instead of abandoning a child to die alone, slowly of starvation or disease. Right, except we do have the resources and there are way more than enough families willing to take in these childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:32 PM
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When did I suggest that they weren’t human beings? I assumed that was your position because it's the most common justification for abortion. If you're prepared to just admit that what you're in favour of is murder on an industrial scale, then there isn't much I can say, though yours is a position I respect somewhat more than those who try to equivocate over what it is they are actually defending. The people that carry out murder on a mass scale do generally have 'logical reasons' for doing what …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:55 PM
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Abortions are still tragic The only reason it could be tragic is if you accept that what you are doing is killing a human being. If that's not what is going on then why is it tragic? If you're tacitly acknowledging that that is what abortion entails, then none of your excuse making or weak justifications can possibly add up to a reason why it's anything other than monstrous. You are trying to justify the industrial scale extermination of the powerless by the powerful, for the sake of convenience…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:04 PM
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Of course, you decide that someone with mental issues must be unfit to discuss morality. Somebody trying to convince me that killing unborn babies is the 'kinder option' over facing some social ramifications is not somebody whose moral intuitions are worth anything in my eyes. That you have admitted to having mental issues merely serves as an ex post facto explanation for why your moral faculties are not functioning correctly. If you were fully sane my conclusion would be that you are simply evi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 08:08 PM
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Right well, I guess in that case the price of not murdering your own flesh and blood is just going to have to be your parents being mad at you. The bottom line is that your ''just so'' scenario still falls well short of what would be required to establish that the industrial scale slaughter of the unborn is neccessary. And honestly, I think we can do without the moral intuitions of somebody with multiple mental disorders, on this issue or any other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:09 PM
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Hard to do that when the mother’s family and father’s family demand that you and the father get married. So what, the grandparents are some kind of insurmountable barrier to adoption, but not to abortion? Spare me, if you're prepared to ignore their wishes to get an abortion you can do the same and have the kid adopted. ​ Hate to say it, but most families don't want to adopt kids with baggage - they want newborns. Which is why our foster care system is overwhelmed with kids. Yes, which is what w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:00 PM
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The barrier for entry is way, way lower. Becoming a single father is not as easy and fucking some random without protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:14 AM
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Do you clutch as many pearls over women's hypocritical standards (ie virtualy the entire suite of desirable male characteristics)?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:12 AM
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Given that the current world hegemon is 30 trillion in debt and it looks like the consequence train is about to pull into the station, I'm not too picky about how anyone gets to fiscal conservatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:10 AM
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my dad was unwanted, but since my grandmother couldn’t abort him, she abused him and he developed mental disorders. Adoption. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:55 AM
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Chivalry fell out of favour around the 16th century, along with heavy cavalry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 02:59 AM
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The huge takeaway though is just how crazy you have to be as a woman to even get called out on it in any meaningful way This. It looks like public opinion is on Johnny's side and I expect him to win in court as well, because her behaviour was so so egregious, and the evidence just so overwhelming. All this started because she basically made same vague accusations and his life immediately collapsed. That's all it takes when the roles are reversed, and this is why we say women live life ion easy m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:04 AM
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Indeed, that's how it wil be perceived by her when you eventually do it, best to just ignore her babbling, she doesn't know what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 01:53 PM
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Yes, it's evil, and your question is idiotic. You may as well ask ''is fraud wrong? Well what if I really stand to gain from it, is it still wrong?'' Yes, it's still wrong, it's still evil. The rest is excuses and rationalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 01:39 PM
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I've only seriously dated one man That's some womanese right there and tells us nothing. I don't want to pry into your personal life so I will simply say the following: the fatter you were when you were younger and the fewer men you have been with the less my comment about your invevitable disappointment applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 04:12 AM
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No, because I'm not a degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 03:55 AM
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The things you can do are the same as they alwways were; look good, be pleasant etc. They work at 30 just like they did at 20. You won't actually have a problem finding a man to marry you and have children with, it's just that the man you can get now is virtually guaranteed to be worse than the man that you would have got at 20. I'm going to assume you haven't been living in a nunnery for the past decade so the fact is that if none of the guys you've been with so far were good enough, you are li…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 03:42 AM
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Low effort trolling. Would be obvious even without the clue in the name.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 11:24 PM
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Why specify Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 11:23 PM
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until proven otherwise Exactly. Burden of proof is on you. Your ''contemplations'' do not constitute proof, until you offer good reasons to believe that the apparent differences are an illusion your claims can be written off as absurd on their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 09:53 PM
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There is no arena of human action which is less ruled by rationality and forethought and where people are more prone to foolishness and myopia than sex. Its why I always find the left liberal insistence on 'education' as a solution to the problems caused by mass promiscuity to be hilarious. We humans are never less on our A game than when sex is involed, everyone's IQ should be considered 1/3 of it's usual value when it comes to their sex life. It's not surprising at all that there are so many o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 09:41 PM
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Yes, the lack of an illusion does not need proof. My case is that things are as they appear to be. The huge observed differences in male and female behaviour are real.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 09:34 PM
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The massive observed differences in behaviour between men and women. It's on you to prove your absurd assertion that this is all an illusion. There is plenty, and I mean mountains of evidence that there are significant aggregate differences between men and women if you actually care to look at it. Bince the burden of proof rests with you however, and since I regard even the need to present evidence of something so obvious to be utterly ridiculous, I wil leave it to you to avail yourself of this …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 08:35 PM
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The false premse is that men and women are identical but for their physical differences, having no aggregate differences in character or temperament. That is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 02:41 PM
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The entire premise of your post is ridiculous. You have apparently engaged in ''much contemplation'' and arrived at a patently false conclusion. Men and women are inherently different, that's all there is to it. If you're basing all your thinking on that false premise it's inevitable that everything that downstream from that will also be a garbled mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 04:23 PM
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There are a bunch but most of them boil down to one key factor, and that is that people simply care more about women than they do about men, way more. That is the reason why women get more lenient treatment from the criminal justice system, people just do not like punishing women. The average person will have way more time for whatever sob story a woman will tell to justify her crimes than they would for an equivalent man. It's the reason why charities that focus on female specific causes, or di…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:09 AM
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The fact that women so often give this kind of advice demonstrates how clueless most of them are about the male experience. I remember one of my female friends at university giving this advice to one of my male friends who was distressed at his lack of success. ''It will happen when you least expect it'' she told him. She can think that way because she is a girl, the guy was always expecting it because he's the one that made it happen in all those cases. You would think it would be an obvious po…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:13 PM
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You're just like a Nazi to the extent that your evaluation of the behaviour of groups which you hate (in this case men) is to be immediately handwaved without consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 07:46 PM
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As I said, your interpretation of anything that any man might think or do is worthless on the face of it. It's in the same category as a Nazi's opinion of why Jews deserve what they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 06:07 PM
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Sometimes the man is being unreasonable in such cases, sometimes he is not. You are so obviously consumed with bitterness against men that your opinion on when a man is being unreasonable or not, on any topic, not just this one, is worthless on the face of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 04:58 PM
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You're assuming that absent the need for resources and provision, women make eugenically correct choices. Not only is this not a given, it's actually obviously false in my view. Intelligence is so obviously the secret sauce that humans have that makes us the dominant speciies, do you see intelligence being selected for?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 12:45 PM
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You believe the husband is automatically the problem no matter what the circumstances, so including all the nonsense about whatever excuse you're using to justify it this time was moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 12:32 PM
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Nobody acts like those things are anything other than indicators that allows you to make judgements at better than a guess. How much better than a guess? I don't know, some amount. It's just so, so much less accurate than you are now suggesting. If you're going to maintain that it's just totally avoidable to get savagely blown out because everybody's character can be seen visually, you're committing yourself to quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 08:20 PM
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The bottom x% of women are just invisible to men, sigh. Agreed, but x is under 10%. We've all seen the stats on which sex more accurately perceives the attractiveness of the other, I doubt I need to repost them here. ​ But in all seriousness even the most socially stunted of you can very easily tell those specific type of women from about a single minute of conversation/observation I guess just fully leaning into the phrenologist charge was one way to go sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 11:30 PM
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Men don't get the option of screening for that before making the approach. You are the one who has to shoot the shot remember. Unless you're claiming to be a phrenologist who can tell how mean somebody is by their skull shape. Really it couldn't be clearer that you're just grasping for any old handwave that makes it the man's fault. It's called male hyperagency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 09:17 PM
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That was hilarious. The best part was where he admits to being 'boring'. If you're going to be the bad boy type, I always figured that the one selling point there was that you were supposed to be exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 11:21 PM
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Yes, and no. The proliferation of tattoos is, along with things like gross profanity in everyday speech, a marker of civilizational decay. When a neighbourhood is going to shit you will see graffiti appear on the buildings. It appears on the people as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 11:18 PM
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Cart before the horse. Of course feminist countries are the richest and most developed, feminism is a luxury item that can't even exist outside of a state where all the real problems have been solved. If WW3 kicks off, no more feminism, simple as that. When people talk about social decline they are talking about the disintegration of the family structure and subsequent explosion in all social pathologies. Children raised outside of stable two-parent homes produce social pathologies (crime, delin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 05:09 PM
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almost every woman on this earth (especially in Alabama) wont even give me a chance, most men can find sucess asking out 20 girls a day, knowing for sure that almost one of them will say yes, for me Id have to ask out about 2000 girls. That's just not how it works. Sure, you only have a tiny minority of women who you have a realistic chance with (other lesbians), but you also have exclusive access to this niche. Just as you are competing for a very small group of women, you are also one of the v…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 03:44 PM
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There's really nothing that mysterious or surprising about it is there? Women mostly want dominant and powerful men to submit to, they just don't like having that fact pointed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 11:44 PM
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I've got no problem at all with women taking precautions about their safety, I only take issue with women using the fact that bad things happen (at a much lower rate to them than to men) as a global handwave to every male issue. ''Well women have to worry about being raped and murdered'' seems to be the reason why men don't have any legitimate grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 09:47 PM
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There are really two possibilities that come to my mind for why he decided to ghost you after discovering that you are a virgin, both basically boil down to ''you dodged a bullet''. The first possibility is that he was only interested in sex and not looking for anything serious, upon discovering that you are a virgin he assumed that this would take an inordinate amount of effort and time and decided it wasn't worth it. The second possibility is that he was only interested in sex and not looking …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:06 PM
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In bed life, all the pressure to ''perform'' is on the man. Fixed it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 02:14 PM
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Maybe just don't kill unborn babies, it's evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:48 PM
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I didn't forget it, I do not recognize that right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:47 PM
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I didn't forget it, I just know it;s bullshit, nobody really believes that nonsense. See how quickly that little canard went out the window when it comes to vaccinations, or see what happens if this Ukraine business continues to escalate. No civilization takes individual bodily autonomy as an absolute principle, and not murdering defenceless babies seems like as good a limit on it as anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:36 PM
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That’s not what I’m proposing either so I don’t know why you brought it up. You were suggesting abortion as a solution to problematic people. I was pointing out that killing people for being inconvenient is Evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:11 AM
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I asked for clarification and you gave it. If the bottom line is that you agree with abortion then the rest is just empty words.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 02:20 AM
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Or just, you know, stop having sex. But apparently people consider THAT a need on par with happiness. 🙄 Funny how that doesn't work as an argument against abortion in your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 02:05 AM
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No you just want them to be able to wash their hands of a problem they helped create. Yes, since apparently creating another human being does not create any obligations towards them..oh no wait, that's just for women, silly me. ​ You made the kid, she couldn't have done it without you If she can make the decision about whether it becomes a kid or chop suey without me she can deal with the consequences without me as well. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:28 AM
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You on the other hand want to force women to get rid of a child you don't want because of your poor wallet which gets more money every week. What are you talking about? Are you under the impression I'm in favour of men being able to force women to get abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:22 AM
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So stop pretending like what you want is balanced. You want all the power and none of the responsibility, just like a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:57 AM
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It's the man's choice to risk impregnation, the woman's choice to abortion or not, after which they will have to deal with the consequences for the actions they took. Right, so the woman after conception still has a veto on whether she wants to deal with the consequences of parenthood or not. She is not just automatically bound to the consequences at the moment of conception. So why not the same thing for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:40 AM
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You didn't include the bit of information that determines whether what you're saying makes sense; whether you are for abortion or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:10 AM
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If you don't want to have a baby then you can not do the thing that makes a baby. Now use that as a reason for why killing unborn babies shouldn't be allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:07 AM
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At the end of the day, YOU chose to have sex and YOU risked getting someone pregnant. Why doesn't that work as a reason for why you aren't allowed to kill your unborn baby and throw it out with the medical waste?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:01 AM
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This is simply the risk BOTH people have to shoulder if they engage in sex. For one person to claim that they should have all of the upside with none of the downside is selfish and very entitled. Indeed, which is why it;s so absurd that so many women think they should have total authority over whether a child is born is aborted, and then have their choice underwritten by the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 11:49 PM
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What country is that? I assure you not everyone there is rich. The UK. Everyone here is rich, something like 80% of the people you see begging on the street here actually have homes. That's because the country is so rich that just asking strangers for money pays well enough that you can afford room and board. The only people who are actually homeless are those who spunk all the money on their drug addiction or who have severe mental health issues. ​ Kids who grow up without fathers present or pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 07:53 PM
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No. I might be if I didn't live in a country where everyone was rich, even the poor people. I would be in favour of child support if abortion was banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 07:28 PM
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People often cite adoption as the clear alternative That's true, some people cite not killing unborn babies as an alternative to killing unborn babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 07:04 PM
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Men's interests are easily trumped by other considerations like ''society'' or ''what about the children'' or ''the taxpayer''. Only women's interests are absolutely inviolable and not even a child's right to life has any weight next to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:09 PM
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I understand why some people will find that reprehensible but I believe that no one should have the right to occupy someone else’s body or use their organs without their consent. And other people think that murder is evil, to each his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:06 PM
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Also, a bundle of cells isn’t a child Every living thing is just a bundle of cells, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:02 PM
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I think all things considered things are still slanted against women So what would it look like for them to be slanted in favour of women? That was my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:01 PM
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However, in the case of there being no prior agreement as to what to do in case of a pregnancy, the man should not be responsible for a baby that a women births if he doesn't want to take responsibility. And yet he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:59 PM
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Do you think that if men could also get pregnant, they would not be allowed to abort while women could? I doubt that, I think the imbalance would be too blatant in that case. If only men got pregnant there is no way abortion would be permitted. Men's interests are very easily trumped by others, it's apparently too much just to watch children be somewhat poor in a stupifyingly rich society to allow men to walk away. If we want to allow women to walk away not even the sight of defenceless human be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:18 AM
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If abortion was baby murder, I’m pretty sure the world would be doing much more to stop it. The world has tolerated and justified all manner of horrors. Any number of people could have said the same about slavery five hundred years ago. ''If slaves were actually human we wouldn't be able to own them...duh''.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:11 AM
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The real reason that abortion is legal is not what you originally said, that's my point. If that was the actual principle it would apply with vaccinations as well. That principle was never really held, which is why it failed to materialize, it just sounds better than the real reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:59 AM
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I'm not saying it is, I'm just pointing out that we, as a society, do not in fact believe in a principle that medical procedures are a private matter. We believe in the principle that women have to be allowed to do whatever they want. Lets just be honest about that shall we?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:54 AM
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Women have an out because it exists in their body and we've decided as a culture that people should have control over which medical procedures they do or don't receive. We actually haven't decided that at all, as was recently proven with the attempts to force people into getting vaccinated. What we've decided is that women get to do whatever they want, and have no obligations to anybody but themselves. The whole bodily autonomy thing was just a nice sounding justification for it in the moment, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:47 AM
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You can call it whatever you want and hide behind whatever euphemisms you want, abortion is the killing of an unborn human baby, it's as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:38 AM
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Yes. Then after new evidence was discovered this wasnt the case anymore. We currently have no evidence that women stop mentally maturing in their mid teens and we have the tools to disprove said theory and the means to cite said evidence at our fingertips We don't have this new evidence in this case though, what we have is it being extremely politically incorrect to say that women are not the equals of men. Women display physical neoteny, and everyone seems to have become convinced, through deal…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:29 AM
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Any man or woman that is capable of pregnancy should have the right to medically terminate that pregnancy. Otherwise known as killing an unborn child.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:14 AM
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Men commit crimes at significantly higher rates than women, so I guess by your own logic, sounds like the legal system is just doing its job correctly. No because it can be (and is) true both that men commit more crimes and women receive more lenient treatment. Arrest rates for one type of crime is not a sentencing discount, try again. ​ This has to be the single most retarded thing I've read in a while. What's retarded about it? Lowering standards is treating people like children, minorities ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:07 AM
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Something that's within the bounds of reality. Some others have given absurd answers that go way beyond the question, I don't regard them as real answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 01:36 AM
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So by your logic, black and latin people being legally punished and incarcerated at disproportionately higher rates than white people, is a testament to how much more "truly adult" they are? Not really, they are incarcerated at higher rates because they commit crimes at higher rates, not because they are receiving harsher treatment on a per-capita basis. If whites had a huge statistical discount on their sentences for the same crimes I would count that as evidence that blacks and hispanics are h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 01:05 AM
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My argument has not devolved into anything, I'm making the exact same point that I was at the start. That being that men are expected to deal with the full consequences of their actions, and women are not. Men are punished more harshly by the criminal justice system, a fact you have tacitly accepted. Diminished punishment and greater leniency are things that children, or the feebleminded, receive. Society's greater willingness to punish men is thus a tacit admission that men are the true adults.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 12:32 AM
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Because what the general public believes is irrelevant unless it's backed up with evidence. That's actually not true at all, if everyone seems to have come to the same conclusion with regards something that should be readily apparent, then in the absense of evidence that it is false, it should be regarded as true. The Earth looks flat, that's why people believed it was. Slavery is in harmony with the way of nature, where the strong dominate the weak. You only think it's wrong because you accept …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 12:19 AM
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Of course it is, there are multiple decision points (for a woman) between becoming pregnant and having to pay child support. You have to not get an abortion, then you have to not give up the child for adoption or abandon it at a fire station. Only if you voluntarily take responsibility after this point is it even possible you're going to be paying child support. However you try to twist and turn, you cannot conceal that there is a massive difference here with regards how men and women are treate…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 12:05 AM
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What part of ''only if she wants to'' is escaping you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:54 PM
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I'm sure studies revealing female mental neotony exist, but I generally don't bother presenting evidence to people for things that they already believe. In any case, you still have not presented an answer. Why does everyone act as though it's true that women are not full adults?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:53 PM
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Both men and women have bodily and medical autonomy Sure, women's is just underwritten by men's money, under threat of imprisonment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:42 PM
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Abortion is about unwanted pregnancy, not unwanted parenthood. Men never have to suffer unwanted pregnancy The bottom line is women get to kill their unwanted children for any or no reason, and apparently that's fine because a woman can't be expected to do anything apart from whatever she wants to. The law has quite a lot to say about a man doing whatever he wants to though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:36 PM
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It still requires an answer. People used to believe the world was flat because it looks flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:29 PM
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A man is never going to get primary custody from the mother unless she's some kind of obvious crack addict. Also, those are not the options women have, women have the option of ''yeah naw'', also known as abortion, the post-conception veto on patental responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:20 PM
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So long as we're going back to medieval punishments for everything, and not just as an extension of much harsher punishments for men across the board, I could get on board.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:16 PM
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Nonsense, a man will be locked in prison, violating his bodily autonomy, if he refuses to financially underwrite a decision made by another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:12 PM
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Reread my question, we're setting up a new civilization and deciding what line we're going to take on reproductive rights. Is abortion going to be allowed? Are men legally liable to financially support their children etc? We don't get to decide on a rape rate. We decide on whether rape will be a crime or not, how much of it actually happens is outside of our control in this thought experiment. Obviously we would just choose a zero rate if we had the option, that is not the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 10:59 PM
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This isn't really an answer any more than ''women be allowed to kill men'' is an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 10:56 PM
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Is being turned into chop suey in the interests of the child? This is my point, the child's interests trump only the man's selfishness. The woman's selfishness trumps both the man's interests and the child's right to not be killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 10:55 PM
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None of that actually answers the question. That's just a shopping list of unrelated things that you'd like. Seriously, ''reduce the rates of rape''? Taxpayer funded contraception? What on Earth do you think that has to do with my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 10:49 PM
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Men get into fewer accidents per mile driven. Men drive more and hence get into more accidents.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 10:19 PM
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Yes, child support laws are fucked up, the criminal justice system is fucked up, and the entire prison industrial complex is fucked up. Is that because the state treats women like children? Or is it because the state treats men and people of color like garbage? It's the first one. It doesn't really have much to do with ''the state'', any more than good looking people getting less prison time is to do with the state. People just prefer attractive people, so as long as we have to rely on a human j…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 09:38 PM
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So let me get this straight. If a woman gives birth. She's not accountable for that? Not really. ​ Yes, That's how laws work. Unless you're a man. Men don't get to take the maximally selfish line. The state will force financial obligations onto you because you fathered a child, you don't need to agree to become a father. For a man, the act of having sex is agreeing to parental responsibility, and the state will enforce that with prison. Men don't get to just say ''yeah naw''. ​ Everyone knows th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 07:59 PM
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I simply don't agree that the only form of regulation is government violence. Threat of legal action is not the only incentive that people respond to, the old fashioned social policing of the sexual marketplace by elders worked pretty well as I see it. If it hadn't done, efforts to destroy it would not have been so ferocious. If you're really taking the line that the only legitmate meaning for ''regulated sexual marketplace'' is ''regulated by the government using the prison system'' then you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:48 PM
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Instead of bringing up things like child rearing , nurturing, reproductive/abortion rights, you know the things that society actually holds women accountable for. What are you talking about? Women face zero accountability when it comes to reproduction. The maximally selfish line for the woman is a protected right, with anybody who disagrees treated as some kind of monster. Ultimately, society agrees that a woman is allowed to just say ''oh shit, I'm pregnant? Yeah...nah. I just don't want to dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:43 PM
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It boils down to the general willingness of people to agree that you should not face consequences, or should face reduced consequences, for your actions. It's not that hard a point to grasp really. Agreeing to lesser consequences for women is the default, because people do not believe that women are fully responsible in the way men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:11 PM
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Yeah, I'd probably have made my excuses and dipped as well if I was getting my ass handed to me as thoroughly as you are here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:02 PM
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You're accusing me of a strawman? Have you been listening to some Yuri Bezmenov? The only possible reading of your description of currency as ''made up'' is as a denial of it's meaningfulness. Are you denying that this was your intention? If so, you'll need to supply an alternative reading. You also conflated a ''regulated sexual marketplace'' with forced government redistribution of sexual favours. This is a monstrous strawman. Virtually nobody means that when they use that term. Virtually ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 05:24 PM
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No, you made several dishonest moves within that short reply. I just find it easier to deal with one at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 04:29 PM
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The neoteny isn't just visual, I don't care if it's sexist. Plenty of sexist things are true regardless of how salty people get over them. ​ It’s objectively false that adult women are mentally teenagers. And believing that falsehood is a sexist belief. If it's a false belief, why does everyone believe it? Absolutely nobody expects women held to the same standards of responsibility as men, nobody at all. Hence everyone is fine with them being treated like children by the criminal justice system.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:18 PM
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If it's just a made up, meaningless currency, why don't you try working for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:09 PM
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If you're working and the government is taking a percentage of what you make and then redistributing it to others, you are basically a slave for part of the year. You might spend the first 3 months of each working year working for somebody else, with them reaping the fruits of your labour, that is slavery. I do get the difference that you perceive, but it's a cosmetic difference, not a meaningful one. We have taxation anyway to pay for roads, the military, and things like that, and we'd do all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:32 AM
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A regulated economic marketplace involves slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:58 AM
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You were saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 07:48 PM
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Four paragraphs to say ''Git gud''.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 04:47 PM
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The gynocentric society is only really interested in policing men's behaviour, it's no more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:52 AM
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Slut, clingy, attention whore, gold digger, prude, bossy, plain Jane, Karen Actually using any of those terms is a social faux pas, which is the point OP was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:50 AM
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Weakness isn't the virtue you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:14 PM
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Preselection seems equally absurd to us, I assure you. Like, how can your evaluation of a person be so easily influenced by what others think? Isn't value just obvious?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:10 PM
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Right, right. It's just a happy accident that this harmonizes perfectly with your ''always blame the man'' line that you take on every issue. I'm sure your description of the reasons women get into prostitution is equally objective, and not at all an ex post facto justification for your moral stance, and not at all influenced by your huge female in group bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:45 AM
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You consume products produced by people working brutal hours in terrible conditions for the same reasons, and you never even think about it. Your stance against prostitution is a matter simply of protecting your sexual interests, all your moralizing is just a smokescreen for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:30 AM
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Prostitutes are usually in dire situations Only if you count having to work a shitty minimum wage job like a man would have to as a ''dire situation''. We're in the West here, nobody is starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:25 AM
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It's a requirement that it be true for like 95% of the arguments women are going to use to make any sense. If you're asking for evidence that it's true beyond that then you might be in for a wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:23 AM
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So you like the line that places all the responsibility on the man and completely absolves the woman? And guys around here say women aren't consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:19 AM
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This is where a woman's logic lose me. There is no logic at work here dude, it's just their massively higher in-group bias at work. ''Criminalize the client'' is just a shortcut to criminalize the man. All they're saying is ''I like the thing that places maximum responsibility and restrictions on the man and none on the woman'', if you're in any way surpised that this would be a popular line among women then I don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:18 AM
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Responsibility is for men only don't you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:21 AM
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He's tall and good looking and he has money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:43 AM
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We can all come up with handwavey ad hoc rationalizations for things, where is your data? How much of the discrepency does your explanation account for? Does being in a relationship with a person far larger and stronger than you count as risky behaviour? Men aren't doing that, generally. Western women enjoy longer lives, in better health, more material luxury, less work, greater physical safety, more political rights and freedoms, and the fewest social obligations of any group in history, by an …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:58 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide\_statistics\_by\_gender
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:30 PM
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Oh my god. The world isn't safe for women. At all, and you know goddamn well who the aggressors are. Women in the west are the safest group of people who have ever existed, by miles. I'll believe the numbers over female hysteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:08 PM
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This is my fundamental explanation for what's going on. Men made the world so safe, and made life so easy and comfortable, that most of the leverage that protection and provision gave us is gone. Now all there is to negotiate over is sex, which we want more than women do, so women's sexual leverage is still fully intact, hence the grossly imbalanced state of the mating game and society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 03:28 PM
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It's exactly the comeback I think it is. Go reread the point I'm contesting and get back to me when you've fully understood what's even being discussed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:47 AM
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I'm pretty sure most RP guys would not object to the traditional safeguards against men abandoning their families for frivolous reasons, provided marriages are also safeguarded against all the female ''I'm not happy'' nonsense. The thing is, women decided they wanted to be able to nuke the marriage whanever they want and take all your shit, even when she's the one who cheated on you. Since modern society seems determined to enforce the ''everything the woman's way'' line on relationships, men no…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:30 AM
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Yes I remember reading one such account from ancient Greece, though the source is lost to memory. According to the account the guy seemed pretty pleased with himself, flaunting her at a party. He's presented as a complete clown and apparently several of the other guests, and even some of the slaves who were present had sex with his wife while he was passed out drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:13 AM
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There is plenty of evidence that marrying a known harlot was considered a disgrace well before the advent of Christianity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:54 AM
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I'm referencing the fact that any man living in the west, if he as a reasonable income, if he really wanted to and was prepared to deal with all the hassle and the bullshit, could move to a third world country (maybe convert to a third world religion) and just buy a woman. You could easily find some dirt poor family of subsistence farmers and just hand them 20k (probably not even that) to marry off their daughter to you, and she's yours, simple as that. I'm not saying do it, I'm just pointing ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:45 AM
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The majority of cultures don't have any records period.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:33 AM
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Sorry to tell you brother, but unless you were born wjth one, you don't own any pussies, never have and never will. The free market says otherwise. They aren't even that expensive if you have an even moderate first world income.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:23 AM
3

Which concedes which outlook is more successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:21 AM
3

Oh shit, he's breaking out the emasculating pet names, that's when you know you're outclassed by a first rate intellect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:18 AM
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Not certain responsibilities though, obviously. As we say in the RP community, responsibility is women's kryptonite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 07:04 PM
3

Normies gonna normy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:00 AM
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Women don't like it, and men don't have the benefit of a hegemonic social movement that tries to invalidate anything we don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:26 AM
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Not enough of a difference to make it her responsibility to not get pregnant though eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:16 AM
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Right, so a bunch of ad-hoc babble? As I thought. You know, your post just now reminds me of something I explained to another guy on here just recently, as it's an absolutely perfect example. Here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 05:46 PM
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If ''you created the baby'' doesn't work as a reason for why the woman can't kill it, it doesn't work as a reason for why the man can't abandon it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 05:19 PM
2

It's 30% of men who get a test done, not 30% of all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:56 PM
2

Really? You seemed pretty sure how making men financially responsible for women's choices changed things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:51 PM
0

Sure, so long as abortion is banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:28 PM
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I'm not going to go and get you examples of the propaganda, you're not going to be honest about what's right in front of your eyes anyway. Feminists have been claiming for decades that women are paid less money for the same exact work just because they are women. Everybody knows this, you just look ridiculous trying to rewrite history now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:23 PM
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I never thought that women were paid less for the same job. I don't think that anyone ever thought that. We have decades of feminist propaganda saying that, so again, if you're so blind to what's going on around you then your opinion on whether it's obvious that men would be court martialed is worthless. ​ I'm not seeing women getting away with anything with my eyes, in fact they often see women being more harshly criticsed. Exactly, so your take on what's obvious is worthless given that you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:05 PM
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I didn't say anything about the pay gap. Don't try to attribute opinions to me that I don't hold. I know you didn't say anything, I did. It's just that I know you will have accepted all the pay gap mythology that feminists have been putting out for decades, and are only just now changing their tune on due to the mountains of evidence that it's false. Obviously you'll disingenuously deny that now, I'm just explaining that I know it;s true regardless. ​ And obviously, men wouldn't be routinely sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:48 PM
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People like you didn't find it obvious that the pay gap was bullshit either, so that doesn't mean much. ''If women produce the same output for cheaper why hire men?''. End of story, the pay gap is bullshit, obvious from day one. Your side is only just starting to change it's tune now that the data proving it's nonsense it's widely known enough you can't get away with their lies any longer. I can't compel you to be truthful with a mountain of evidence on our current topic, so like i said, we're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:13 PM
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Men were being shot for basically the same thing almost within living memory. It's obvious if you're honest, simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:40 PM
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Most of them are already within the walls, and by the time they start making serious moves you'll be too far outnumbered to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:52 PM
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Permanence is the illusion of every age.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:45 PM
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There is no such thing as evidence for counterfactuals, it's just obvious. Like I said, I can't make you admit it if you're dishonest enough to pretend like you don't know how it would be, but I'm not really trying to convince people like you anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:45 PM
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Other women don't want to compete with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:17 PM
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That there is a surge in pregnancies among female military personnel prior to deployment, and that this is never punished. You already have your (bad) reasons laid out for why this isn't any kind of big deal even if it is true, so why am I going to bother going to get the evidence. You've decided it doesn't matter anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:16 PM
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I'll be long gone by then. It means missing out on the panicked shrieks of delusional women such as yourself as it all comes crashing down, but like you said, it also means not getting slaughtered.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:08 PM
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One guess how long this kind of nonsense lasts when the barbarians invade.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:03 PM
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All that makes you is a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 09:06 AM
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Same reason you can be a coward and a weakling and he can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 08:16 AM
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You've spent a bunch if replies now contesting my conclusions while implicitly accepting the fact claims behind them. Obviously I'm not going to do the work of tracking down the data when it's that obvious it will have no effect whatsoever on your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 08:00 AM
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You think all these things because of your vastly greater in group bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:08 AM
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I guess that you can't have a sports accident then, agreeing to play a sport is agreeing to get injured. The purpose of sport is not to get injured, besides, sport inculcates all the same qualities that are needed for soldiers. There is good evidence that sports basically originate as military training exercises. It is entirely obvious that this would never be tolerated among men. You're right that if you are prepared to pretend to not be fully aware of that fact, I cannot compel you otherwise. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:37 PM
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Again, if you think that large proportions of male troops blatantly skipping out on deployment would just be tolerated, you are dreaming. Who cares whether any individual case can be proven to be an accident or not? If it were obvious that this was happening in aggregate, harsh disciplinary measures would simply be taken at the group level. Group punishments are common in the military. Also, there is no such thing really as an accidental pregnancy. If you're having sex, you're agreeing to get pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:09 PM
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Soldiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:54 AM
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The endless whining about all the supposed benefits of being a man, combined with the selective blindness about all the privileges women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:05 AM
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Especially in a way that isn't clearly nonaccidental? It is clearly nonaccidental. It consistently happens in response to news of imminent deployment. If it were men doing this so blatantly, you can be sure it would just be ruled that not becoming pregnant was your responsibility and that failing to take precautions was gross negligence. If you think large numbers of men dodging deployment would just be tolerated you're dreaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:46 AM
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I remember reading accounts of men shooting themselves in the foot in order to be discharged from the front during WW1. The higher ranks figured it out from the gunpowder burns around the wounds, I believe, which showed it was done at point blank. Those men were shot for desertion. There were other accounts of men drinking gonorrheal puss in order to make themselves sick, those men were also shot. These days you won't actually be executed for desertion, you'll just get a lengthy prison sentence,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:11 AM
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The fact that there is a predictable surge in pregnancies prior ro warzone deployment proves that it is intentional in many of those cases. Maybe you cannot prove which ones, but you know a lot of them are doing it to skip out on deployment. If it were men doing this it would simple be ruled that it is the man's responsibility to ensure he is ready for deployment, there would be no handwaving about ''accidents''. This level of laxity when it comes to enforcing discipline only occurs when dealing…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:15 PM
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If a man intentionally rendered himself unfit for deployment he would face a court martial. That used to be called desertion, and they used to shoot you for that, not even that long ago. The huge surge in pregnancies that occurs before warzone deployments is obviously intentional. Find me a single woman who has ever been court martialed over this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:12 PM
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Difference is if a man gets caught doing this he'll be facing a court martial. Women, as always, are not held to the same standards because nobody thinks women are the equal of men. As such, they get off with vastly reduced, or even no consequences, just like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:01 PM
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Women would immediately shut the fuck up about equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:50 PM
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Being a coward is contemptible, how is this hard to understand at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:28 AM
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If you're going to play dumb over how female mate choice reinforces this, and many other aspects of what you call ''toxic masculinity'' then you simply aren't worth arguing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:23 AM
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It really, really depends. I love gender roles to a large extent. That's the standard female line. ''I like the aspects of gender roles that place obligations on men and entitlements on me and I dislike the aspects that do the reverse''. It's not a very compelling position.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:21 AM
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Fair enough, I've never directly heard evil either, it's not really a word people use nowadays. Lots of morally loaded language is used around this topic though which I'm just puutting under the rubric of ''evil''. The way it's discussed it is basically being argued that men are doing something morally wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:18 AM
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It isn't, I have no problem with the courage standard. I accept strength and courage as indispensible attributes for the performance of my role and understand completely why women like these traits. I do not consider myself especially brave by the way. I'd like women to take the same line on the chastity standard and stfu about it's hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:55 AM
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There is a missing word there though isn't there? There is an empty space between the second and third words where ''male'' should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:41 AM
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I guess it's true because you said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:39 AM
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Comply with what? There is nothing to comply with, I just pointed out how what you said explains a bunch a things that women generally deny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:39 AM
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You're free to argue premise two, premise one is so obviously true that anyone denying it is arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:36 AM
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They want a women who sleeps around but only with them. How can someone sleep around with only one person? That isn't even a coherent concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:35 AM
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I don't have a problem with the courage double standard, I agree men and women are different. I have a problem with women shamelessly applying the double standards that they like and then selectively acting like any double standards are bad when one they don't like comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:32 AM
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Nowhere did I imply that there should be a social movement to remove the stigma from being a weak or a timid man. You just invented that out of whole cloth because you assume I think the way you do, which is solipsism. Timid men are unable to overcome their fear, of rejection, or of whatever, to make bold moves and go for what they want. This does not mean they don't want it. Ultimately, if you're a timid guy you're going to hugely suffer in the erea of sexual market competitiveness, getting rid…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 09:22 AM
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but because you mentioned that timid men experience the equivalent of slut-shaming and implied they should get a social movement to support them. I implied no such thing, you only think I did due to the common female failing of solipsism. A social movement trying to make it ok for men to be timid would be a disastrous waste of time and resources. Fistly because it would not work, the best you could do is cut down on the amount that the judgement is referenced verbally, but the judgement would re…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:05 AM
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I agree with pretty much everything you said in that comment. The reason the mating game is so slanted towards the female (despite the absolutely absurd denials of many women on this sub) is because the woman does like 99% of the biological 'work' of reproduction. That's why the entire game is you the man trying to find something to bring to the table to equal that, hence it's all about you impressing her, and all she need do is judge your efforts. The thing is, if we're admitting that, then the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:27 AM
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Not to mention, after they are "sullied" they are more likely to be assaulted and abused because they "already did it" and are "already sinful" or are just seen as sluts so they should take what they get/"deserve" (these are the reasons I've seen some sex offenders say). Consent totally goes out the window because of their status as a sex object. So yes, a world where virginity is somehow important is toxic and it is a much stronger message than being called a wimp. That's just all the usual fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:55 AM
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The difference is one of degree, people are aware of the difference in physical strength between even a small man, and a woman. Not that I watch too many movies mind you, perhaps it is as bad as you say, although in that case I would probably bet my life that people don't accept such things without comment like you say. You'll just only be paying attention to the times they're saying a woman could never do that. There is also the fact that most people are not willfully unaware of the ideological…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:52 AM
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Is the corollary “chastity” or “femininity/submission.” I don't think it works like this. We can discuss individual desired traits, and we can discuss the male and female roles more broadly, which include the suite of traits neccessary to perform the roles. The traits for the masculine roles are strength, courage, sacrifice, industriousness (to provide for your family) etc. The traits for the feminine role are chastity, tenderness, submission to the man's leadership etc. I don't think we can dra…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:37 AM
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It isn't, this is the tired, idiotic ''there's magic so nothing needs to make sense'' argument. You;re also wrong that nobody complains about these things. I'm a Warhammer 40k fan and I can tell you, people are always complaining that the given troop numbers for space marines are too low, or that the stated caliber of the weapons means that there would be no way to carry the amount of ammunition required. Yes, there are psykers and space magic, but still, if you say a gun fires .75 calbre rounds…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:31 AM
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There are in-universe explanations for that. Spiderman is not a human being, he is superhuman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:14 AM
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Nothing complicated about it, the contradictions are the result of the competing desires to allow maximum freedom in the pursuit of female imperatives and apply maximum restrictions on the pursuit of male imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:12 AM
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It's a question for women, not a CMV, do try to keep up. ​ I’m sticking to FDS, even their craziest members are more open to debate lmao This entire post, and all the effort I've spent on the replies was well worth it just for the laugh I got out that sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:07 AM
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Which is something men virtually never do, it's something women do. Men simply apply the standard, largely without comment to women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:00 AM
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Men can live their lives being timid and be accepted. Sure, provided we overlook the brutal consequences of having likely no romantic or sexual prospects. Women are free to disregard the purity standard as well, they just have to forgo a lot of their value as prospect wives in the eyes of a lot of men. I'm not seeing this huge difference. There also is not this large scale social effort to discourage mockery and ridicule of weak, passive men the way there is for promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:57 AM
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I very much doubt the words ''courage'' or ''bravery'' would come up, but I would expect discussion of who is a ''real man'' and the link, which was predicated on those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:05 AM
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If men are just naturally as brave as you say there wouldn't be the need for the various brutal, heavy handed socialization methods to instill courage into young men. You only see (and whine about) the socialization efforts aimed at women. You're like the perfect example for that thread a couple of days ago about empathy, your total blindness to the male experience couldn't be more obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 03:59 AM
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It's in the original post. Men have a preference for marrying women who so not have extensive sexual histories. This preference is often unaffected by the man's own sexual history. So in other words a man might sleep around in his 20s and then still hold the usual male views about not wanting to commit to a slut. Women very often regard this as an act of supreme hypocrisy. I'm saying it's no different than the line women take with regard to courage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:55 AM
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Physical strength is a small part of the equation. Women can choose to not be crying like infants half the time. Anybody who has worked in a mixed sex environment knows; you are going to see your female colleagues cry, often over (to a man) trvial shit. It's just something that is going to happen. Women could choose to shoulder some of the rejection risk in dating, but you don't do that either, because you're cowardly and it's easier not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:35 AM
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So what's the reason why they aren't on the same level that isn't just the fact that you feel bad about one and not the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:18 AM
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It's our role to protect you, it's your role to serve us.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:17 AM
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I'm comparing two traits which are valued by either sex, it's not hard to follow. Women value courage whether or not they posses it themselves. Men value chastity whether or not they possess it themselves. What is the non ad hoc reason why one is fine and the other is terrible?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:04 AM
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and it would be a rare person who says either is evil. This is flatly false. The line around here (and in mainstream society, which is really what I care about) is that men's stance on female promiscuity is completely hypocritical, evil, and immoral, in light of their own behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:01 AM
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How well men meet the expectation that women have is a different matter, and not relevant. What matters only is that women have the expectation, and they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:58 AM
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In the real world meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of men will never strike a woman, even in self-defence. Everything just seems worse than it is because you're a craven and a weakling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:56 AM
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I love how we simultaneously have women on here denying that men are braver than women, while other women are arguing that courage is such a matter of male biological nature that we basically get zero credit for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:55 AM
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So why don't I just get to justify the sexual double standard using the biologically lower female sex drive then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:53 AM
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The masculine role is protection though. As soon as you say that you forfeit the right to whine about anything being ''unequal'' since you are completely signed up to the notion that there are different expectations on men and women. You just don't like chastity being a much, much bigger part of the expectations placed on women, that's all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:52 AM
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Like the ones that see that men are on average, taller than women, and this doesn't change the rare times that I run into a woman over 6' tall. I mean you're contesting this, but the majority of other women on here have just accepted it as a premise. Probably because they realize how ridiculous they'll look denying something so obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:47 AM
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If what you are saying is true then the sexual double standard doesn't exist and we can all go home. We all know it does exist though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:45 AM
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I am of course aware that this is the real reason, I just wanted to see the hamster at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:42 AM
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Perhaps you misunderstand what I'm getting at, I completely agree that different sexes prioritize different things. I don't have a problem with the courage double standard. I am asking why, when the topic the courage double standard, suddenly everyone ''just gets'' that diffetent sexes are different and want different things. Then when the topic is the sexual double standard the line switches to it's hypocritical and immoral to prioritize a trait unless you possess it yourself. I obviously know …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:41 AM
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Love how this is addressed to me, who merely rephrased what was said by someone else as a way of pointing out how stupid it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:37 AM
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Eyeballs, mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:24 AM
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This actually has a lot of truth to it, most men are fairly cowardly, courage is hard after all. It's the best and rarest of the virtues. The average man is still much braver than the average woman though, so my point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 12:19 AM
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If a woman is a coward she doesn't deserve a brave man, she needs to be ok dating a milksop.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 12:18 AM
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Yeah, now imagine it's something non-trivial. If the two of you are accosted by a large, angry, and aggressive drunk, you are going to deal with that also?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 12:11 AM
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Why? Because you said so? Besdies, men also have to be good looking, you're trying to double dip.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 12:09 AM
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I mean all I see is a bunch of barely coherent babbling. Where is the actual answer? Can you state it clearly instead of just rambling off topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 12:09 AM
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i mean if ur not chaste urself it does kinda scream insecure because you don’t share her values Right, my question was why doesn't this apply to cowardly women (the vast majority) wanting brave men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:51 PM
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You're not better, just weaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:55 AM
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I'll believe it when I see the casualty figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 08:44 AM
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How many wars have women started in comparison to the ones men did? Not significantly less than men accounting for the dearth of female leaders overall. Whoever is in charge will have to deal with warfare, group conflict is an inevitable part of life. As von Clauswitz said; war is a continuation of politics by other means. All of this will be over your head, of course. In your cartoon world war exists because men bad. I guess someone has to fill out the left end of that IQ bell curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 08:40 AM
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It makes perfect sense, if you cannot follow it that is your failing. I would recommend a course in either reading comprehension, or logic, depending on the source of your confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 08:33 AM
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Yes, so that's what I was taking issue with. I'm not prepared to believe that if you faced being conscripted and sent into a war that you would maintain this line.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 07:20 AM
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Ok, so when you said the following: ​ When society places different expectations on different groups of people, everyone suffers—even the group that benefits the most. you're telling me you weren't making the insinuation that the correct state of affairs is one where society does not place different expectations on different groups? Read it again, it really sounds like you're saying having different expectations is some terrible, unjustified thing that causes problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 07:13 AM
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That's not the point I'm making. You acted like society having different expectations of different groups was this completely ludicrous thing. It's actually just common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 07:04 AM
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I see, well pardon me if I don't assign much weight to your claim that you absractly support female conscirption, which you know will never happen, when even if it did happen you wouldn't be conscripted anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:52 AM
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Men die in wars Men start. And also the ones that women start for those of us with an above-toddler level knowledge of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:35 AM
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It’s not that we don’t care it’s just that most assault men suffer is at the hands of….well, other men. We taking that same line on the...racial...angle? Oh wait, no it makes you a terrible person if you apply that logic to racial crime statistics. It is so hard to keep up with all the trendy hypocrisy these says.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:32 AM
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Women live longer lives on average in greater physical safety. Stats are a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:29 AM
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When society places different expectations on different groups of people, everyone suffers—even the group that benefits the most. I'm sure you'll be maintaining that line should the current international sabre-rattling boil over into WW3 and conscription is reintroduced.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:26 AM
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No one, to my knowledge, is keeping stats on who's victimized *while minding their own business*, so we can't really do more than rely on our intuition for that one. Well my intuition is that the same innate biases that cause most people to treat domestic violence as a one sided male problem, despite it being mostly even, are also at work informing your intuitions on that topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:24 AM
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It depends if you count civilization immediately ending as a minus. If men disappeared you'd be braining each other over the last tin of beans within two weeks. That you seem unaware of this is a testament only to the staggering heights of delusion which you have achieved. If women vanished, meanwhile, all we'd have to figure out is cloning within the next couple of decades. The lights would still be on, however, and everything would function as normal after a small hiccup.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:22 AM
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Common sense would tell you that women are more frequently targeted while minding their own business. I'm not prepared to believe it's ''common sense'' just because you said so. If you have evidence that women are more likely to come to harm while minding their own business you should present it, I'm willing to have my mind changed here. ​ I'm not sure, for example, where you;re getting that women enjoy more material luxury and leisure time than men. My eyeballs. Turn on a television and ask you…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 05:38 AM
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Men can't stop doing it because we're not willing usher in the end of days in order to prove a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 05:30 AM
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Ah, so it's just the tired ''if you felt good about giving money to that homeless person then you weren't really being selfless or compassionate'' argument. How well do you suppose women's behaviour holds up if evaluated with the same degree of cynicism? Obviously you won't ever have considered that, and will reserve such grossly mean-spirited and uncharitable interpretations for only those groups which you hate, namely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 05:10 AM
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I forgot how adroit you all are at producing the most absurd excuses and hamstering away what's right in front of your eyeballs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:42 AM
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Love how you ignore all the others I listed. How convenient for you. Mind you, that’s still ‘another mans baby’. If we're going to get onto why the rest of your list was ridiculous, tell me first just what you mean by that? Do you think that my argument requires that any child sired by another man is ''not yours'' such that this even applies to your direct descendants in the form of grandchildren? You seem to still be saying that and it's just such a staggeringly stupid line that if continuing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:25 AM
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According to women, the answer is going to the usual: it's whichever it needs to be for me to make whatever point I'm arguing in this moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:08 AM
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Additionally, women must go through life taking safety precautions that men never even have to think about. In the real world meanwhile, which is what we are (or should be) concerned about, women are far safer than men. The fact of the matter is, modern western women live longer lives, in better health, enjoy greater material luxury and leisure time at the cost of the lowest amount of labour, and have the most political rights and freedoms in exchange for the fewest social obligations and duties…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:07 AM
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Honestly, where do you pull this level of delusion from? Men hold up the sky. The whole government functions as a wealth transfer scheme from men to women. Men pay most of the taxes, women consume most of what taxes pay for. Men as a group subsidize women as a group, this is before we even talk about the marriage/divorce cycle which transfers untold levels of male wealth into female hands year after year after year. Women get extra help, paid for by men, in basically every area of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:02 AM
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The fact that you're including grandparents in a list designed to disprove the 'genetic stake' hypothesis of parental investment leads me to believe that your understanding of what we're talking about is simply so poor that further discussion is foredoomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:50 AM
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Because most men don't put in enough effort. Isn't that what is said in the conversations? Enough effort to what? To bang? Obviously men are putting in enough effort since it's still happening, and this is what we care about. Enough to silence your whinging? It's far from a convincing claim that such an amount of effort could exist, even in principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:12 AM
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In real life, there are a notable amount of women sick to death of carrying some useless male through life. You're delusional, men hold up the sky.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:10 AM
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Every day I'm on this subreddit I become more convinced that women cannot argue logically. I thought this once but it isn't true. When they're right they understand logic just fine. Watch a woman in an argument where she's actually right and you won't be able to believe how well she can follow all the logical threads. It's only when they need to argue a point that's wrong that we get the tsunami of non-sequiturs and gobbledygook. It's not that they don't understand logic, they just don't view it…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:00 AM
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Just assume that women will always, by default, be furious that there are any downsides and drawbacks to anything in life. Assume also that they will hold men collectively accountable for this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:50 AM
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That just isn’t true though? Adoption wouldn’t exist if that were true. Do you women honestly never get tired of playing the ''what about the exceptions'' game? If fear is biological, why do people voluntarily do scary things? If the survival instinct is biological, why is suicide a thing? If greed is biological, why do people give money to charity? This whole ''there are no tendencies in human nature unless it is 100% and I can't come up with a single exception'' is idiotic and yet it accounts …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 12:36 AM
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It is in our genes. People are less willing to invest resources and time into raising children that are not theirs. This is obviously biological. You talk about collectiveist societies, but those societies are in the stone age for a reason. Wherever men have low paternal assurance, there will be low paternal investment, with women basically being left to do the child rearing on their own. Men may chip in here and there in a haphazard way, if they take a shine to a particular child, or while in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 09:28 PM
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No you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 09:17 PM
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The virgin is my choice, still a terrible deal though. I can't imagine what a clown I'm going to feel like walking down the street with her or introducing her to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:17 AM
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They're ok so long as nothing is really required of them. If you want this kind of blaze attitude to biological fatherhood, you will have to kiss paternal investment goodbye. This society women want where men do all of the high-cost, high-effort parental invest behaviours that they want, and also don't care whether the children are theirs is not going to happen, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:13 AM
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Really selling this bit of his argument: ​ something women are incapable of truly comprehending.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:07 AM
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It is semantics. The red pill is the acceptance that those are the characteristics that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:04 AM
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So in other words ''git gud''? This is the only response men ever get to their problems. I'll take it seriously when I see people start taking the same line with the poor. ''Just don't be poor bro. Just work 100 hours a week, only buy basic food, and never spend any money on luxuries. Aftter twenty years of that you'll be wealthy''.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 09:52 AM
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The irony of you thinking you're making a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 09:08 AM
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I seem to remember there being some public naming and shaming of a particular man who ran out and left his wife or girlfriend when the shots started flying. Obviously the right to abandon to your significant other in a dangerous situation is assumed for women, and no woman would ever be shamed for such behaviour. It's one of those situations that shows the difference in expectations for men and women, but it's rare enough that women can play dumb about it with a degree of credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 03:02 AM
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A word of advice; if you want to sound a little saner without actually having to become any saner (because it's clear that ship has sailed), you should look into this thing we call punctuation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 09:18 PM
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I'm not casting any judgment on men or women here False, you said the following. ​ So there's an impasse, and I don't think it will be passed until men are socialized to view women as holistically as women view men, i.e. as people instead of objects. The moral hierarchy you are presenting could not be clearer. Why be so disingenuous about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:38 AM
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Men are the heroes of every fucking story since time immemorial. Yes, because men are the heroes of reality. Next time you see the aftermath of some natural disaster on the news, take note of who it is who is out risking their lives to pull the survivors and the bodies from the rubble. On 9/11 the New York Fire Department lost around 350 firefighters. 100.0% of them were men. I bet the department was full of female diversity hires as well, where were they while the men died? ​ Men are allowed ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:36 AM
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I'm referring to the fact that women overwhelmingly hold men to standards of courage and resilience that almost no women meet, and I'm preemptively dismissing your expected claim that you do not do this, because all women say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:18 AM
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You are definitely entitled to feel that. You are not entitled to the approval of anyone, male or female. Fair enough, I guess you get to feel any way you want about it. We are ostensibly discussing whose viewpoint is the more defensible though. Taking a strong line against this male tendency seems rather like taking a strong line against locks, or against cyber security. Without these instincts men would be defenceless against brood parasitism by women, which is what I believe women really want…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:49 AM
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I'm not talking about the actual complex, I agree that it is a ridiculous outlook and probably indicative of some low level mental illness. You were saying that you are disgusted by the way men draw distinctions between ''wife material'' women and damaged goods. As a man I just look at those instincts and understand that they are there to protect me and my biological interests, and they wouldn't even exist if there was no threat to defend against. Would locks be a thing if there were no thieves?…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:59 AM
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