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Are you sure your statement is based on science? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds
/r/TheRedPill30/11/15 07:12 PM
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Sounds like you believe trickle down economics works.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/15 07:01 PM
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No they are, but they just have "internalized misogyny".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 10:42 AM
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Until you can shred the weight, and build muscle. If you're still fcked up past that, plastic surgery. Around 5'6'', I'd say subtle platform shoes. Gain about 2 inches max off that. If you're shorter than that. Limit yourself to even shorter girls. You can be 5'5'' if you're dating a 5'2''. Small dick? All the above, kegels, and surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 03:32 AM
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Nope. Fight club rules apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:36 PM
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It's the inherent implication of #YesAllWomen So, a shit ton of feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:36 PM
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More like Dogmatism
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:29 PM
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Google: mirror neurons Google: gender brain hemisphere differences Google: white matter vs grey matter gender
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:28 PM
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Women have better mirror neurons, and brain hemispheres are wired more left to right, instead of front to back, they also got 10x white matter than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:19 PM
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Women are much more empathetic. But much less sympathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:00 PM
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I.e. All criticisms of feminism are invalid, unless done by a feminist. And you wonder why we have a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 08:57 PM
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Specific to the diarrhea thing. It's dishonest, it's your gain. But it's not like it's her loss. She isn't being harmed by not knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:50 AM
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I'd still say that's dishonest. But not manipulative, because it's not like you're depriving her of value for not informing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:38 AM
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Maintaining a perception of that attractiveness gap implies an active role. Doing things actively, by your definition, is the devil. And a lot of guys have tried simply providing more value, and "pedestalizing" a girl even higher. But have found it just makes you look like a doormat. Often resulting in a loss of perceived sexual value. For which, you might reply, you should logically negotiate her to desire you more, because of the value you're providing. But that's also a strategy that has been…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:32 AM
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Not even necessarily hot or young women. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1874742
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:10 AM
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Interesting, A complete rejection of the very concept that there can be different levels of attractiveness within couples. Didn't really answer my question, and seems like some rather heavy denial but interesting none the less.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:07 AM
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You can still be dishonest without telling a falsehood. Say you're selling barbeques, and the competitor comparable barbeque is actually a better barbeque overall. But the manipulative salesman hypes all the positive features of his barbeque, and lists only the negative aspects of the competitor barbeque. Dishonest Personal gain Their loss
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:37 AM
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It's about as coherent as I can get it. How about "dishonest influence for your personal gain, and their personal loss".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:27 AM
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To use RP lingo Say there's an obvious SMV difference between the two. Say objectively he's an 8, and she's a 6. Now, how exactly in the "perception is reality" world of dating, would you suggest that guy maintain her perception of that imbalance so that she doesn't take you for granted, without atleast subtly actively reminding her of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:22 AM
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As far as I can tell, it's influencing somebody to "buy a bad product, for your personal gain" For instance, influencing somebody through deception to quit smoking, wouldn't be socially called "manipulation".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:05 AM
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Can you conceive of any circumstance where "A Man having power in a relationship" wouldn't fall into your definition of "abuse"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:02 AM
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Technically, it's more like: "Women are allowed to act like children without legal or social repercussion. And lots of women take advantage of this." One might even make the argument for why women are culturally expected to act like this, is because it selects for "fatherly" men who will keep that shit in check. Similar to how female attractiveness, is signalling for "healthy fertility". http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/todays-whiny-feminism-is-killing-sex/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:42 PM
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Dictionary definition, versus Vernacular definition. Vernacular wins every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:20 PM
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Hurt feelings and insecurities are common in relationships. What sort of bubble have you been living in where you didn't know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:45 PM
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They don't say it, but it happens with stunning regularity. Furthermore, the reneging on the marriage social contract is seen as "perfectly acceptable and expected" behavior nowadays. Sexual relationships are deceptive as the norm. So one might ask, why do you think men should be held to higher moral standards than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:30 PM
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Hurting Feelings is equivalent to Physical Violence Feminist math doesn't make sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:21 PM
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As far as I can tell, it's influencing somebody to "buy a bad product, for your personal gain" For instance, influencing somebody through deception to quit smoking, wouldn't be socially called "manipulation".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:10 PM
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Don't women do the same though? Also rather curious in your take on my marriage edit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:03 PM
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I don't really disagree with you, but I would say the stronger argument is why it would be unfair. Essentially the issue at hand is men using "implied future commitment, for sex now", then renegging on the deal when it suits them. Maybe not the most ethical thing in the world. Catch being, women use implied future sex, for commitment now, all the time. And there's plenty of arguments for "Just because he bought you drinks, and took you on fancy dates, doesn't mean you owe him sex". Well, what's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:46 PM
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True, but the standards for men are also considerably higher, more time consuming and more difficult. Especially once you factor in how dumb simple weight loss is with low carb dieting. Really, we're comparing a few months of meals. Versus a years of achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:15 AM
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I'd still disagree there. There's nothing easy about it for men, they just have a higher upper limit on manufactured external value.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:02 AM
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I'd still argue it's completely unrelated to the concept from "sexual strategy and dating marketplace challenges". I'd also argue that this is largely a bias on the only few people verbal on this issue have this opinion. Everyone else doesn't even bring up the concept at all. So if 1% of the people hold this opinion and are verbal about it, but 99% are cool with it and silent. That's still 100% of the time you hearing a particular opinion from TRPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:00 AM
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You're right. TRP no doubt does have it's share of genuine bigots. But I'd hardly say they are representative of TRP. Especially considering how non-political TRP is. I.e. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tji1n/fight_for_the_cause/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 12:40 AM
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Perhaps I'm taking issue with your use of the word "easily". All of that stuff can more powerfully replace it, but compared to losing weight is dead simple. Also we'd have to be getting into quasimoto territory for a woman with low body fat and decent makeup to do worst than "okay". Dramatically better than a short guy, or a guy with a tiny dick. And if she really is so horribly disfigured, then there's always plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 12:29 AM
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Is it though? Unattractive women just have to lose weight, and learn how to use basic makeup. Men have to lose weight, gain muscle, and put together a decent wardrobe. All while compensating with loads of cash. And even then, won't have nearly the amount of sex as a comparable girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:54 PM
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Actually, there's more women in management than men.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 05:42 PM
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White guy from a blue state. Also an agnostic-atheist. Thought about it enough that "God's could exist, but saying we know exactly which god exists out of 16,000 or so man-made ones, what it wants/doesn't want, and exactly how it will reward/punish us, all without a scrap of verifiable evidence, is highly illogical. But they do make for decent fairy tales." My internal word for myself is an Empiricist. Show me enough valid empirical evidence, and I'll believe anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 03:16 PM
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Swap the word "Attention" for "Settlement Money" and you'll have your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 02:47 AM
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Also, fun fact. The Koran doesn't have anything about head scarves in it. But Corinthians does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 02:42 AM
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shrug Just consider this. The Jews were multi-theistic before being held captive by the "Pharaoh" in Babylonia. Afterwards they were mono-theistic. The dominant religion then was Zoroastrianism, the oldest known mono-theistic religion. Those "Three Kings" who actually declared Jesus's divinity in the first place, would actually be Zoroastrian Magi (I.e. Astronomers). Depending on the version of the bible it specifically calls them Magi. And Zoroastrianism is at least 600 years younger than the N…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 02:31 AM
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Incidentally, Sharia Law and Old Testament Christian Law are pretty similar. That said, no. Better question, why are you asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:11 PM
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Monogamous unmarried men have exactly the same health benefits. http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/unmarried-couples-get-health-benefits-too/ Marriage certificates don't have magical healing properties.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 09:20 PM
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So apparently the answer isn't teaching men not to rape, it's teaching women to take personal responsibility and to not send mixed signals when they don't want sex. I thought personal responsibility was anathema to modern feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 08:22 PM
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Would it surprise you that a legal document doesn't have magical health properties? http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/unmarried-couples-get-health-benefits-too/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:15 PM
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Well, if you need cheap bulking https://www.reddit.com/r/gainit/search?q=Cheap&restrict_sr=on Also golds gym where I'm at is $15 a month, plus whatever starting costs posted at the door (they fluctuate) If possible, find a way to start sooner. A friend, a teacher, an uncle etc or somebody to spot you the startup costs. Just get your ass in the gym asap, otherwise you will put it off for months. If you feel you really need the starting strength book, the kindle version is $9.99 Or you could easil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:19 PM
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So you're skinny? That's good. Learn this, then upgrade to this http://stronglifts.com/5x5/ https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-ice-cream-fitness-5x5-novice-workout Start cooking meals in pre-packed. (I prefer glassware with lids, but Amazon has some decent meal prep plastic containers https://www.reddit.com/r/gainit/ Also pick a whey protein powder, and get a blender bottle. If there's a golds gym, or any cheap gym with good air conditioning, and 3-4 squat racks, you're good.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:04 PM
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Done
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 10:43 PM
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He settled You ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 10:31 PM
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Well, "Duluth model literally has patriarchy" written all over it. And it's legally one of the most popular ways for cities to judge domestic violence."
/r/MensRights17/11/15 07:08 PM
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There's not much you can't fundamentally change, unless you're short, or have a small dick. And even then, solid game, muscles, career and social life would make your chances better. For the mental stuff, a lot of it is practice, and a healthy lifestyle. (This is coming from a late bloomer, who's tried meds before)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:53 PM
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Because, if it was the other way around, the guy would be divorced in a heartbeat instead. "You're fugly and you want legitimized cheating? I'm out. And I'm taking half."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:39 PM
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I find, "quick witted with a plan", is almost a better substitute than "smart". Or said another way, delivery matters way more than content. Also, often times you want to make a woman more illogical, to get her hot and wet. Cold hard logic is usually anti-sexy. Engage her cavewoman brain.
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 04:55 PM
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Sexual strategy that works, works regardless of whether it's moral or not. Out of those options, then let the user pick and choose what is allowable in their own subjective personal morality. Since there's no one singular set of morality. And we aren't in the business of prescribing what other people's morality should be. I.e. We're interested in what "Science" can do., not what "Science" should do.
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 04:37 PM
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It's more common than you'd think. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1d6uw9/til_that_50_of_domestic_violence_is_reciprocal_53/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:50 AM
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Then you'd have more weight with focusing on "divorce rights" exclusively. Or better yet "Father's Rights", which scores extra empathy points.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:47 AM
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Well, if they were primarily muscular and good looking, sure. A lot of times, the reasons hobbies are sexy or unsexy is due to the physical attractiveness of its adherents.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:45 AM
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Title IX laws makes it practically guilty until proven innocent. It's the new McCarthyism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 01:59 AM
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By spending 4 months in the gym doing stronglifts 5x5, eating right, sleeping right, not posting on Reddit, and making yourself an OKCupid account.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 01:57 AM
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Too thirsty. Too desperate for sex. Couldn't keep it hard long enough for me to cum (Which takes quiet a while for me) Much better now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:56 PM
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I'd argue men and women act irrationally for different reasons. For men, it's primarily trying to apply women's attraction strategies, and getting butthurt when they don't work men. (I.e. "nice guys") I.e. A very logical approach. But a very irrational assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:50 PM
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Because Gawker, of all places, isn't pro-female enough. That's like saying Fox News isn't right-wing enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:30 PM
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Facts are facts, whether you like them or not. Similar to the illogic tossed around that the science behind man-made global warming is invalid, because they personally don't like taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:19 PM
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So basically a situation where the husband is way hotter than his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 09:10 PM
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If everyone is unmarried, no big deal. If you're "Spinning Plates", she's probably out "Spinning Chads" too. If there's a marriage in there, it's probably gonna be some wimpy guy being a woman's checkbook, while she gets railed by her friend from the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 08:30 PM
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Tried that, it backfired. Probably ended a relationship. Actually found I get way stronger erections if I jack off the night before.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:55 PM
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The evolutionary angle, is that there's no way for a man to know of the child is his. If he effectively passed on his genes. So it's a safer bet to have a less promiscuous woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:02 PM
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If your statements/beliefs/etc can't stand up to criticism, then that's the fault of the statements, not the fault of people. Assuming they are actually understanding the issue being discussed, and criticizing the issue, rather than focusing exclusively on the tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:51 PM
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The type that would be cool with all the Feminists who just want equal treatment, and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:45 PM
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If you want society to force a child on somebody due to the benefit to society, why shouldn't society finance it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 11:41 PM
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So you're a big advocate of social welfare programs for single mothers? Or does your "morality" stop at your personal checkbook?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 06:06 PM
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Stop stretching this. This really has hardly acting to do with sex relationships. The Unabomber was Christian. Woopdeedoo. The Westborough Baptist Church is Christian. If anything, if you wanna criticize Islam, perhaps focus very narrowly on criticizing Wahabism. (I.e. The tiny sect of batshit crazy out of Saudi Arabia, that is responsible for 9/11) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism Otherwise, Muslims represent 1 in 4 human beings. Any generality against "Muslims" is ludicrous, given tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 11:47 PM
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You don't have to wife up the first girl you have sex with. And if you're smart enough, when things ultimately end between you two, she has her own money. So she doesn't need yours. Birth control and abortion is nice too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 11:36 PM
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True enough. But I'm a very fair minded individual. So I feel like I need to justify it to myself. "If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander." comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 11:26 PM
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Way I see it, TRP's reason for existence is largely a statement of "Women are more selfish nowadays when it comes to sexual relationships, so you should be too." You kinda need that first part, to justify the second part.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 09:01 PM
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I like to travel, go to clubs and drink, and watch Netflix.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 07:36 PM
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Video Gaming with friends on the couch, Programming, Audiobooks (Locke and Key was fantastic), Gym, Low Carb Dieting, the logistics of house parties
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 05:34 PM
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TLDR, I'm just gonna point out the false rape stats are underrepresented, because Feminists imply that if a rape wasn't so blatantly false that police spent the time to prove it's false. Then it must be true. So about 10% proven false, 20% proven true, 70% unknown, means OMG 90% proven true http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416536/how-common-are-false-rape-charges-really-jason-richwine
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 05:29 PM
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essential premise of feminism - that women are adults too. I like this. Far better than the "People too" angle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 05:24 PM
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Supply and Demand. Men have more Demand, and Prostitution is illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 05:20 PM
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The dilbert guy, of all people, covered this pretty exhaustively. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/114055529676/my-verdict-on-gender-bias-in-the-workplace The main reason men earn more, is because men have 10x testosterone, and other mental features that cause men to be more risk taking, as a demographic group. That 5% increase in wages is primarily due to good salary/bonus negotiations. On the flipside, men make up the vast majority of homeless and suicides. Furthermore, unmarried women outearn unm…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 05:16 PM
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How about 64% ? http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/06/for_millennials_out_of_wedlock_childbirth_is_the_norm_now_what.html
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 04:32 AM
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Looks like we skipped easy past 51% It's at 64% now. http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/06/for_millennials_out_of_wedlock_childbirth_is_the_norm_now_what.html
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 04:31 AM
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A rather vague statement. Is the 40% number too low for your liking? http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/06/for_millennials_out_of_wedlock_childbirth_is_the_norm_now_what.html
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 04:29 AM
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lower castes What is this, India? Like said above, 40% of all children are born out of wedlock. And that number is increasing. And I thought TRP was in agreement marriage kinda sucks. Expecting to be happy with one woman for the rest of your life, is going the same way as expecting to be happy in one job for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 04:09 AM
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How short do you think custody battles are? We're potentially talking years of a father not seeing his child, followed by a judge often just saying "The kids is comfortable where he's at with the mom, leave him there". Hardly sounds fair to Fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 01:53 AM
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He could always forfeit those rights. (Especially if he wanted to use it as a bargain for more lenient child support claim later on)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 01:48 AM
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After trial. But nothing before.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:00 AM
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Only applies to colleges, and only of the girl regrets the sex later.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 11:51 PM
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What's not to understand? Preponderance of Evidence is a much weaker standard that Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2014/10/yes-means-yes-and-preponderance-of.html?m=1 And intoxication and incapacitation, are legally treated as different outside the college system. http://sexualassaultanddiscriminationpolicy.unc.edu/prohibited-conduct/incapacitation-incapacitated/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 11:17 PM
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Wishing doesn't, I agree. But as is 40% of children are born out of wedlock. What happens when that number reaches 51%, and people can say "A majority of children are born out of wedlock". There's already more single adults than married as of about a year ago, and that number is taking a nose dive. All that needs to change for a law to change is a little bit of sympathy, and for something to become "legally ripe". And unlike "Men", I'd say "Fathers" stand a far better chance at garnering sympath…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 10:49 PM
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you have to pay court mandated child support, right Yup. I'd argue you shouldn't have to, and get 50% custody instead. As is the case for married fathers, before a trial. If men could get that, then that's No child support No alimony No marriage or divorce fees Potentially No legal fees (unless she pays about as much as you do, and probably end up with a similar result after it's all said and done) Able to choose how to spend the money on how you raise your child (still substantial, but you can …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 10:39 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:59 PM
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You'd have to monetarily support your child. But since both sides would be expected to pay their share of custody, there would be no court mandated child support. So a frugally minded father could spend a relatively small amount of money on raising a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:54 PM
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On the flipside, as pointed out elsewhere. If they changed the law so an unmarried father gets 50% custody. Then that's 0% child support. Since it's assumed both sides will pay their fair share. Granted, kids aren't cheap, you'd still have to pay. But you could do it your own way, and be frugal about it. And of course, you get to keep that actual house.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:33 PM
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As Scrubs put it, "Having a kid is like having a dog that slowly learns how to talk." That said, I don't plan on having kids, and plan on getting a vasectomy soon. Too risky, too expensive. Can buy a whole lot more happiness with my $500,000 and all the free time, sleep, and energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:28 PM
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Judges find more favorably for written on all other penalties. (I.e. Much weaker jail or financial penalties as the same ones committed by men) So why not this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:25 PM
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Actually, if it's 50% custody. Obviously you have to financially support your child. But not in a court mandated blank-check to your ex. Hadn't really thought about it, but that would sweeten the deal for men considerably. Time with the kids, and no exorbitant blank checks to your ex. Thanks for reminding me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:22 PM
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That is in addition to what I described above. It's a difference between inebriated, versus incapacitated by alcohol. The law is pretty clear about that. Circumstances where both courts would find rape, are undeniable. It's the ones where a criminal justice system would find lacking, but a college system would convict on, that are at issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:18 PM
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Women are very rarely the richest. And what you bet, judges are more favorable to not invalidating rich women's prenups?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:11 PM
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If you're paying half a million dollars for a kid you'd think they'd want the legal right to enjoy their company. Furthermore, they can forfeit that right, while still maintaining their legal rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:09 PM
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It also would kinda put a nail in a coffin on marriage rates. Kids without without the constant threat of your wife keeping the kids, or taking half your money. Currently, it's like investing half a million dollars on a house, which you don't even necessarily get to live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:06 PM
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The law disagrees with you. http://www.mass.gov/courts/selfhelp/family/custody-before-court.html Unmarried men get nothing. And 90% of custody disputes don't go to court.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 08:58 PM
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Because in college, drunk sex = rape. And this is judged on a 50.1% certainty she isn't lying basis. Outside college, a woman has to be so intoxicated she can barely even comprehend the concept of sex, or be passed out. And this is judged on a 95% certainty she isn't lying basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 08:43 PM
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How about EWALT. Enough Women Are Like That, that it's a useful rule of thumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:59 AM
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That's because it's a power imbalance. What's so inherently wrong about women having sex with powerful men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 09:22 PM
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Yes. Married women, holy Fuck Yes. They have a captive audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 08:32 PM
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But I thought you were a powerless minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:53 PM
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Did you know hospitals make you sick? If you compare the amount of people who attend hospitals regularly, to those who don't. There are overwhelmingly more sick people who go to hospitals. Therefore, the way to stay healthy is to never go to a hospital. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:49 PM
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Your anecdote based on selection bias versus my "meta-analysis of 369 studies involving the academic grades of over one million boys and girls from 30 different nations" Gee, I guess you got me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:43 PM
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Homework helps. No doubt. But basing the vast bulk of grades on homework, versus basing the vast bulk of grades on testing is an institutional bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:37 PM
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Good, then you'd know that homework heavy classes bias towards girls, while test heavy classes bias towards boys. And that with a nearly 80% female staff, and increasing homework loads, that boys are falling behind. But that's all because girls are so downtrodden, right? http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/why-girls-get-better-grades-than-boys-do/380318/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:31 PM
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Sounds more like this http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2013/10/23 Besides which, what's so sexy about what essentially amounts to a bank account merger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 06:43 PM
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men do jobs that women sometimes can't do (or do as efficiently) due to physical factors Unless the girl is crippled, she can do it. https://youtu.be/EV4QXvD0HA0 Just might take a little extra gym time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 01:26 AM
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What about the balanced relationships? What about the ones in which both people are happy because they both take and both get? Oh, right, those are a "fairytale". Got evidence for that convenient terper fantasy of yours? I would argue, equal leverage relationships do exist. However, unilateral disarmament on one side isn't a way to get there. To change your analogy, it's much more like two corporate lawyers hammering out a contract. Both sides are being persuasive, both sides are being selfish. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:58 PM
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then it's their fault that you manipulate them to get it All sex that isn't rape or prostitution is an effort of persuasion. Some sleazy salespeople use high-pressure tactics and lies to get people to buy things they can't afford and don't need, and make more money as a result. Because if men get more value out of a sexual relationship than a woman does, it's immoral. But vice versa, it's just "expected behavior" right? Someone is going to be "taken advantage of". So why should it always be men?…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:31 PM
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recommended ways of dealing with women are heartless and cruel. I'm saying that if they're going to be selfish they should man up and admit it, and stop saying women are making them do it. Catch being, the reason for TRP's existence is "Women are more selfish nowadays". If women self selected to almost exclusively have all the awesome nasty sex with hypermonogamous quiet bookish skinny guys. We'd be activocating that. Women set the standard. If it's heartless and cruel. It's because that's the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:45 PM
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It's not really much of a contradiction. Selflessness and Selfishness don't really mix well. Except of course as a personal ego-stroke of how awesome you are. (I.e. Hollywood movie stars making token gestures to poor people in poor countries) Or if you do want to be kind and compassionate, do it with someone who will feel a debt of gratitude, which they will be open to repaying in the future. (I.e. Male friends)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:22 PM
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I think studies have shown to make the same amount of $ as a man with a highschool diploma a woman needs to have a 4-year degree. Sounds more like a rough calculation based on faulty reasoning by some political activist. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/114055529676/my-verdict-on-gender-bias-in-the-workplace
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:11 PM
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cannot be happy when the people around them are unhappy. Schadenfreude. Ever see a guy get punched in the balls in a movie. Almost invariably, it's a laugh line. Similarly, any of those videos where a girl is beating up on a guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:06 PM
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https://m.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/1yhswb/a_brief_compilation_of_srs_doxxing_brigading_and/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:40 PM
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Just insist in framing it as persuasion. And the logical inevitability that, since getting sex by force is a no-go. Of course you're going to have to get it by persuasion. Another aspect to look at, is if it would be socially condemned if you flipped the genders. If not, I'd say you're morally in the clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 03:49 PM
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Apparently it's when you are manipulating someone to purchase a bad product. Having sex with women who will leave when it suits them = Good product Having sex with men who will leave when it suits them = bad product Easy, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 02:49 PM
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Dude, no one loves a doormat.Not guys not girls.You don't need to create a group to send out this messge. Oddly, you kinda do. Teaching men that women are actually selfish, and that men should respond by also being selfish. Somehow though, that's only perceived as "asshole" behavior when men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 02:43 PM
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All a man needs is status and looks. I.e. Get a good job, and get muscles and that's all you need. The problem is that none of that matters if you have the Mentality of a romantic doormat people pleaser. It's not enough to just build advantages, you actually have to use them. TRP teaches you how to take advantage of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 08:11 AM
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Self improvement is necessary, but not sufficient. In the job market, they would call this a highly employable freelancer who is good at negotiating salary and fringe benefits, and willing to walk away if the negotiationed benefits aren't up up to his standards. As compared to "Just be a hard worker, keep your head down, appease your spiteful manager, and be happy with the meager salary and benefits that you get." Both people work hard at self improvement. But which one do you figure maximizes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 05:14 AM
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We are more likely to be physically hurt than men are. Not really. Men are 7x more likely to be killed by a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:31 PM
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Well she's not entirely wrong. In zero-sum gender issues, a man's equality is a woman's loss. (I.e. Doing away with permanent alimony, or default 50/50 split custody before a court proceeding. Things groups like NOW actively politically oppose) And MRA's do blame Feminism for this. But a very particular brand of Feminism. Specifically the brand that demands special treatment, and tries to justify it by exaggerating women's issues to the point that they are factually untrue, and shrinking men's i…
/r/MensRights05/11/15 07:41 PM
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I think you overestimate the amount of muscle you can gain without steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 05:34 PM
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They just want free commitment from men with tons of options. Just like guys would love free sex from women with tons of options. I.e. The standard plot lines for chick flicks, and pornos.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 05:32 PM
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Percent of proven false rape accusations is pretty low. But the percent of proven true rape accusations is also pretty low. The percent of rape accusations where the police didn't follow through because there was not enough evidence, is astronomical.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 05:20 PM
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Had an interesting conversation over on PPD. Mod there likened purposeful manipulation, to premeditated murder. Where as spur of the moment manipulation where you don't think about it too much would be likened to manslaughter, or even accidental death. Carrying a much lighter moral judgement. It's interesting, how if this becomes practiced behavior, then is viewed with much less moral objection.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 12:45 AM
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In the job market, they would call this a highly employable freelancer who is good at negotiating salary and fringe benefits, and willing to walk away if the negotiationed benefits aren't up up to his standards. As compared to "Just be a hard worker, keep your head down, appease your spiteful manager, and be happy with the meager salary and benefits that you get."
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 12:32 AM
1

Assuming your state doesn't have common law marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 12:08 AM
1

It's sex about power, or is power sexy? Shows of power certainly get women wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:50 PM
1

To fair, could it be that Power is sexy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:45 PM
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No longer interested in marriage, or kids. They never tell you about the downsides you would be signing yourself up for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:10 PM
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Well I think the other issue is that college is pretty foundational in a persons life. Denying them college on a "we really don't know, maybe" basis is pretty severe. Life altering stuff. So in a way, it's similar, if not maybe more severe than prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 06:52 PM
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Wow you are delusional. http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2014/10/yes-means-yes-and-preponderance-of.html?m=1
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:48 PM
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Yup. Beyond a reasonable doubt is ~90% certainty. Preponderance of Evidence is 50.1% certainty. http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2014/10/yes-means-yes-and-preponderance-of.html?m=1
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:41 PM
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We're up all night to get lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:51 AM
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Because women never call on past wrongs while they get emotional? It's really a question of where you put the starting point. In such, is more of a subjective issue than you're giving it credit. I also don't buy the idea that of a woman gets emotional, it somehow makes her bad behavior absolved. Especially since there's really no way for you to know the difference between if she had thought this out a week ago, and triggered it just now whenever she got the slightest excuse to do so. Add to that…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:49 AM
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I.e. The problem with marriage, is the entirely of what is legally considered to be marriage. If you take the shared property agreement out, it would just be a fancy party with rings and cake, and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 11:10 PM
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A problem with that definition. "The absence of malice aforethought" This is constructed on the concept that emotional driven manipulation is a singular event. Not chronic events. If it's chronic, then there's definitely malice aforethought.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 11:06 PM
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Constructive Abandonment or Alienation of Affection would be the legal phrasing for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:59 PM
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Sexless marriage, where the guy pays all the bills. Used to be divorce was rather rare, but chronically denying a husband sex was grounds for a divorce where the wife got nothing out of it. Now, a woman can deny you sex, and take half your shit, (And make you responsible for paying half her credit card debts). No fault divorce took out the "teeth" of enforcing good behavior for women in a marriage. But all the downsides of divorce for men are as strong, or stronger than they used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:44 PM
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Assume you're right. Would you care to spell out exactly what you mean by that analogy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:26 PM
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Fyi, the usda calculator might be more accurate. http://childfree.reddit.com is also good. Just look for "bingo" answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/search?q=Bingo&restrict_sr=on
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:11 PM
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Nah, I'd say she'd probably benefit from avoiding "covert contracts".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:59 PM
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Sounds like oddly, you should read "No more Mr. Nice Guy". It's primarily a psychology book on how to not being a doormat, and frustrated with not getting your needs met. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C438CW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:18 PM
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You're making an ill fitting analogy again. Since murder isn't really gendered. Where as manipulation within a sexual relationship absolutely is. You also don't have people "Persistently getting murdered".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:12 PM
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It's pretty clear cut actually. Doing it the male way = bad Doing it the female way = not bad
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:05 PM
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Divorce rate is 50%, and unhappy marriage rate 20%-30%. Might as well say "is not worth staying with a woman forever". The odds of long term happiness are stacked against you. Much like the idea that working for one company for your entire life is now a laughable concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:59 PM
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Men have 6x more grey matter, with brains that are wired primarily within hemispheres. Women have 10x more white matter, with brains that are primarily wired between hemispheres. Women's brains are far more suited to accessing both logic and emotion at the same time than men. Where men often go back and forth between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:56 PM
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On this subreddit, and TRP subreddit. Everywhere else, it's practically condemned on the spot, regardless of the argument you were making being truthful. If it's TRP, it must be censored in some way. Either by hyperbolic character assassination, or deleting it outright. Which is also why we view it as funny, as how accepting people are of TRP ideas, if you strip out the jargon, and post from a different account.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:51 PM
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The analogy kinda fails because if a guy wants to cheat, he has to be very deliberate about it. If a girl wants to cheat, she just has to let it happen. If a guy wants control, he has to be very deliberate. A woman just needs to have periodic emotional outbursts, and shittests. Furthermore, men's brains and women's brains are wired differently. Thinking about your actions the way that a male brain is pre-disposed to is wrong. But the female way is given a pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:39 PM
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Implied consent isn't good enough for "Yes Means Yes" laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:27 PM
0

Not Tiananmen square itself. The memory of it. It's been whitewashed straight out of existence, just as if it never happened. Any mention of it, it hit with swift and blunt censorship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:23 PM
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Love to see those studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:19 PM
2

I should probably point out, this calculator only covers the first 17 years. It's not a lifetime figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:19 PM
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I'd even argue, methodical deliberate manipulation is viewed as evil, but passive spur of the moment manipulation is given a pass. Furthering the gendered disarmament.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:15 PM
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Not so much butthurt as amused. Except for the part where they try to silence us entirely whenever subreddit shutdowns happen. Feminisms approach to male concerns is similar to China's approach to the memory of Tiananmen square.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:13 PM
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Cool. But that still kinda begs the question of "Why get married", even if it's a $50 wedding?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:07 PM
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That's a median cost. The average is $40,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:04 PM
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What number do you get? http://www.babycenter.com/cost-of-raising-child-calculator
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:55 PM
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I don't plan to get married. But that's the current median price for a wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:53 PM
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also assuming end goal is children Fair point. If your not going to pass on your genes just plate Plan to. The average cost for a kid is $1,000,000 in my state. Half of which is expected to be paid in the first 17 years. Also every study I've seen having kids make people about 20% less happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:45 PM
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If he's overcompensating this much from the get-go....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:36 PM
3

That's a median price. So actually midrange relative to what is "normal".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:26 PM
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for the right woman You value her for her sexy body, her personality, and your sex life. So why give her reason to neglect her body, give you less good sex, and take you for granted? She's good "Now", but everything you value about her will decrease in value. Oddly, the only way to "Keep things special" is to have her dread losing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:24 PM
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I'd argue a majority of depressed men probably are depressed because they aren't getting the sex life they want, or their job isn't going well (Which for a lot of guys also redounds to their sexual viability).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:18 PM
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$20,000 to get in, $20,000 to get out. Half of all future windfalls lost. All for a woman who will get fatter, saggier, and treat you with less gratitude as time goes on. Why get married? I mean I know the girl would want it. But what benefit do guys get? Especially in the scenario where you know she earns a lot, but has somehow paid off her student loans, but also isn't 35+ by the time she's got this all locked down.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:10 PM
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Left wing. The Laffer curve is an absurd economic model that only "works" because the baby boom generation had a glut of social security taxes, which was then treated as if it was general fund money. Said another way, "If you think trickle down economics works, you're an idiot who doesn't care about providing empirical evidence". Also was able to slice the feminism angle. I genuinely do believe in egalitarianism. Or as I would phrase it, equal treatment feminism, or "Equality via equal treatment…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:00 PM
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"Here's what works. Do these and you will get laid. Now use your discretion on which strategies are morally right for you."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 04:48 PM
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Out of all those you listed, I'd argue only "father's rights" is actually worth fighting for. (Also because it's possibly winnable, since the goal changing laws, and father's actually stand a chance of winning some empathy, where as "men" do not.) Other than that, you might be able to win some empathy for the fact that 1 in every 6 school boys is on ADHD meds. But that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 03:46 AM
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I'd argue TRP guys do want validation from women. And yes, largely in the form of sexual validation. Catch being, rather than focusing all your efforts on chasing one woman, you focus on making yourself better, and giving yourself more leverage and control in an individual relationship. In the job market, they would call this a highly employable freelancer who is good at negotiating salary and fringe benefits, and willing to walk away if the negotiationed benefits aren't up up to his standards. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 02:36 AM
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"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." -George Carlin Essentially, the battles MRAs are fighting are too individually costly, for how little their rewards are. Call it "male disposability" or an "empathy gap" for male suffering. But people are not mentally wired in such a way to care as much about men, as they do women and children. There's also the issue of what makes women go wet for a guy is largely biological, and unchangeable. Why fight a losing battle against huma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 08:54 PM
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Equality via special treatment Or Equality via equal treatment Which one is more moral?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 04:52 PM
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It what about Zoroastrianism during the Babylonian empire? Since Islam, Christianity, Greek, and Roman mythology pull heavily from that religion.
/r/TheRedPill30/10/15 03:56 PM
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Perhaps. But say sexy muscles make it so you can be more persuasive to women. But you don't use its powers of persuasion, because that would be somehow evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:39 PM
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Not much point self improving, if you aren't going to use the advantages you are building.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:05 PM
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Kind of. But I'd say PUA is even more focused on being a "fake alpha", than actually being alpha. Which, if we're going by OP's callout, would be more manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:02 PM
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I.e. Logical manipulation = evil Emotional manipulation = perfectly okay I.e. It's bad, only when men do it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:00 PM
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Not really. Almost all guys get off on penetration sex. A very large amount of women need a large amount of clitoral stimulation to experience orgasm. And a large amount of guys won't go down on a casual sex partner who may have a crotch full of STDs. So if it's just fingering, lube, condom, sex. The girl may get a climax out of it, which feels good, but no orgasm. And even then, women who have had the super hot, super hung guys in their 20's can find themselves underwhelmed later in life. http:…
/r/MensRights27/10/15 11:02 PM
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Left wants you to fund women at lot Right wants you to commit to women a lot Neither one is in your best interest.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 10:31 PM
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What type of Feminist are you? An Equal Treatment Feminist Or a Special Treatment Feminist ?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 06:18 PM
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And do nothing to change. Because lip service is the best you can expect from a feminist when it comes to male issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 06:12 PM
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Assuming they are both equal, except she had the "access to sex" as a bargaining chip, then they don't have equal bargaining power in the relationship. Especially considering she probably has more numerous viable "offers" than you do. Which also ups her bargaining power. So yeah, once again, feminist "equality" is anything but equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 06:09 PM
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Kind of, but not really. Better to say "Never expect reciprocity from women for past romantic actions." _ Or to use the TRP main sub analogy, women are like restaurants, not banks. Good male Friendships are like banks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 06:01 PM
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Assuming they are both equal, except she had the "access to sex" as a bargaining chip, then they don't have equal bargaining power in the relationship.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 04:36 AM
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Because generally a guy needs to be at least SMV 7 to pull an SMV 6.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 04:32 AM
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That's the point. "The average" is so much lower, so you don't need to be amazing to be in the top 80% of 50 year olds in physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 06:25 PM
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Other way around, it's much easier to keep a physique than it is to build one. So just simply being somewhat built with low body fat automatically puts you high up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 06:09 PM
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Somewhat, but I'm guessing the number is pretty damned high.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 05:57 PM
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And what percentage of psychology/psychiatry majors are women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 04:46 PM
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Because hardly anybody shares enough empathy to do anything about men's issues. But if it happens to a woman, omg, we have to fix that. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6701970/Mum-tells-of-her-agony-after-she-was-falsely-accused-of-having-sex-with-schoolboy.html
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 04:23 PM
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Well, when we're talking "really old", if you have a good physique at 50, you're Well ahead of most 50 year olds. And you can have your pick of divorcees.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 04:20 PM
0

You can kinda hack it, if you want http://csgo.gamebanana.com/skins/126066
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 11:14 PM
1

Rather they spend their resources on making other parts of the game better. Budgets are often a limited resource.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:23 PM
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I don't really think it's worth the developers time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:14 PM
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Well here's a simple example. Be it TF2 or Counterstrike, all the character models are male. Although Payday 2, interestingly had a female character DLC released well after initial release.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:57 PM
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Like said, there are Counter Strike players that are girls, who are really into it. But they are outnumbered at least 20 to 1 by male gamers. Which again, is fine. But I don't think FPS gamers should be designed in a way to cater/pander to women in general, if they are such a small part of the playerbase.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:53 PM
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Women play games at about equal rates as men. But the genders tend to play different types of games. Similar to "Romance Novels" being almost exclusively consumed by women. But plenty of men and women read novels, at nearly equal rates. But when it comes to FPS games, and Fighting games. Women are a rarity. And that's fine. Because those are games primarily designed to stimulate brains with higher levels of aggression (i.e. testosterone)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 07:14 PM
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As a casual observer, I welcome it. That said, let the omega incel dudes have their boobie jiggle physics games. They are essentially opting out of the whole dating scene. Let them enjoy their escapism. (It's about as absurd as demanding massive censorship of the billions of dollars romance novel industry) The other trick, women generally like different types of games. Mostly dominating casual games, and solo RPGs. Where as competitive "aggression" games, or highly frustrating games are still ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 07:04 PM
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Never gonna happen, unless the guy is out of her league.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 06:01 PM
3

Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 05:44 PM
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Showing that the outside world only cares about the harms of divorce TRP preaches against, if the target of said "divorce rape" is a woman. Affirming "divorce rape" = bad Society doesn't have much empathy for men So, stop waiting for society, or tireless MRAs to fix harmful double standards against men. Shit sucks, it's going to continue to suck. So you might as well take figure out how to thrive in the current system, rather than change the system. (I.e. Redpill)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:39 PM
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And this is why feminists can't be taken seriously. They keep trying to find ways to change consensual sex into rape. If a woman says "No" to sex early in the evening, and "Yes" to sex later in the evening. That's perfectly acceptable consensual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:22 AM
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If this isn't all a rationale for why the proposition "single mothers are bad people" is true, then I'd love for you to explain how. It's primarily an empirical observation though. Single mothers, with few exceptions, care more about their child than the guy they are dating. And they generally are looking for someone to be a provider to help raise their child. (Hopefully I've cleared up enough of the subjective stuff there) TRP argues this is a dangerous relationship for someone who wants to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 02:32 AM
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I'd still bucket that first one into mostly the "Why". And the "What" being that single mothers exhibit more mercenary type gold digging behavior at a high enough rate to be wary. Add in that your happiness will always be second to the welfare of her child. (And also the baggage of you not being the father, both in her valuing you, and the indignity of essentially being a cuckold) And just in general TRP advocates always having an exit plan, and prizing your commitment dearly. For which she's go…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 12:29 AM
2

I enjoy looking forward to your new "Madlibs Pill".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 09:31 PM
1

Another thing is that the "Why's" really necessary for TRP stuff to be true. I don't know why so many people bother to attack them. Because those are perhaps the most offensive aspects of TRP. Because they are character judgments. And refuting the empirical evidence is a losing battle, anyways. So they go for the easy targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:32 PM
1

So is TRP entirely clueless in their "Why's"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:23 PM
2

Any specific "What's" of TRP empirical observation you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:22 PM
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From a practical sense to facilitate workshopping and discovery, Yes. But for applied TRP, you could just swap in a whole new set of "Why's", and it wouldn't change much. Which is interesting, because if you take out the "Why's", then TRP becomes a Hell of a lot more undeniable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:19 PM
1

Can't really say. But the "Law of Gravity" is the one that scientists are sure about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity "How" it works, we got that. "Why" it works, is still uncertain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:13 PM
1

If you studied enough Physics, you'd know there's both a "Law of Gravity" and a "Theory of Gravity". We're pretty damned certain about the law, but uncertain about the theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:10 PM
2

All men are at a disadvantage. Red men actually can do something about it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 06:57 PM
3

Not entirely. I've seen plenty of times where TRP has commented on the "We're not having sex tonight" as a test. Since she's already thinking about you two having sex, but she's not quite horny enough yet for it. So that sort of a "No" should be interpreted as "Not yet". I.e. Move down a level or two on the vin di carlo ladder. If no sex happens that evening, no worries. But you should keep up the pressure, in case she changed her mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 01:47 AM
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Well here's a simple one. Should you always compliment a woman, or should you mix in disrespect and disinterest? Is making a girl you're with think another girl could take interest and steal you away, an effective way of making her avoid taking you for granted? If a woman is saying something illogical or disrespectful, should you take it seriously or tease her about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 11:51 PM
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because people are so fundamentally incapable of telling the truth that they don't even know what they want There's actually quite a bit of science behind that concept. https://youtu.be/iIiAAhUeR6Y What people actually respond to, is far better an indication than what people say they prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 11:38 PM
1

Here's a phrasing I like: Equal Treatment Feminism Vs. Special Treatment Feminism It's pretty damned hard to stand for "Special Treatment". And it frames egalitarianism with the magical "Equal" word. Use their own framing against them. (Also, crucially important, it doesn't use any complex or ambiguous terms) Heck, you could even brand yourself as an Equal Treatment Feminist, rather than MRA, to avoid "other-ing" yourself.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 11:17 PM
4

More like women give the same dating advice to men, as they would give to female friends. And weirdly, it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 11:08 PM
1

Sorting through the numerous "resumes", and the "interviews". Then figuring out how much of it is fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 11:00 PM
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Are women being encouraged to take on loyal and supportive husbands? Yes. But only as a means of a "sexual retirement home" and baby-making enterprise. And women are getting increasingly unhappy. Heck, the rise in depression meds in 35+ women has been astronomical. http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/astounding-increase-in-antidepressant-use-by-americans-201110203624
/r/TheRedPill21/10/15 08:18 PM
1

More likely serial-monogamy. Rather than life-long monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 07:18 PM
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What's the difference between "manipulate" and persuasion? Kind of a no-win situation when you're not supposed to force or persuade somebody to have sex. Are you expected to be nothing more than a passive wallflower, or else you're an immoral degenerate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 07:09 PM
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I'm not really interested in marriage. It's a cultural anachronism. But we do know if a woman starts out-earning her husband, the divorce rate goes up 50%. http://www.chicagobooth.edu/about/newsroom/news/2013/2013-02-18-bertrand And that 70% of divorces are initiated by women. (And I've seen figures as high as 90% for college educated women in no-fault divorce states)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:56 PM
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Let me reiterate. Marriage is a bank account merger, and practically nothing more as far as the government is concerned. And you're blithely saying how the size of a guys current or future bank account size has literally nothing to do with how desirable a bank account merger is with the guy? Are you aware how astoundingly rare it is for men to receive alimony? How dramatically likely it is for a divorce to happen when a woman earns significantly more than her husband. Why is it that the statisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 01:46 AM
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Do stuff that increases testosterone. Or go gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 08:17 PM
4

You know women marry for love, not "bux", right? Do they though? Then why is there such a strong nearly perfect correlation between income and marriage? http://www.hamiltonproject.org/assets/legacy/images/uploads/thp_image_uploads/charts/020312_earnings_marriage_men.png Average marriage alone costs between $20000 and $40000.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 08:08 PM
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The problem with conspiracies, is that their fake non-evidence is considered just as valid as your empirical objective evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 12:55 AM
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Or 20, or 30, or 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 12:20 AM
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Pretty much the only reward you get for marriage is higher chance at winning custody in the event of divorce. I'd prefer just to have the custody laws changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 12:19 AM
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That said, I am kinda getting your point. Whether it be a social anachronism, or biological bias, genders are treated differently. However I think the Feminist angle on things seems that it's all social anachronism, and none of it is ingrained biology. (Or when it comes to genitalia, different unchangeable bargaining positions) That we just have to make it fashionable to be androgynous... For everybody. And do away with that old barbaric past. Catch being, wimpy men get treated horribly by every…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 07:10 PM
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Last I checked 40% of American children are born out of wedlock, and that number is on the rise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 07:02 PM
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So we're living in an "oppressive patriarchy", unless women receive equal or preferential treatment at all times? Seems like kind of a high bar. Not to mention "men should never have any advantages ever, but it's perfectly okay if women do" is a tad hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 06:58 PM
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"Feminists believe that society is biased in favor of men (the patriarchy)," Powerful men are biasing things in favor of men, because they are men, and have a strong in-group bias? How's that Not a conspiracy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 06:09 PM
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Don't. Patriarchy theory is literally a conspiracy theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 05:35 PM
1

Read/Listen to Models by Mark Manson It basically covers exactly this subject, while also being a great general purpose dating book. I'd say the book is "TRP, minus the socially objectionable parts" (I.e. Dread)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 05:25 PM
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Kegel muscles are a muscle. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1324914/?report=classic
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 07:31 PM
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Porn, kinda influences what you think "normal" should look like. I'm a little above 7 inches, and it took a website like this to figure out I'm in the top 90th percentile. http://howlongismyschlong.com
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 07:29 PM
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Pelvic floor muscles are absolutely a muscle. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1324914/?report=classic
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 03:01 AM
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Women are always victims when something goes bad, and men are always the cause of their problems, and aggressive demands/laws for men to be more selfless and submissive to women always the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 01:33 AM
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Chances are he can still do "box squats". And the ZMA helps with recovery. (Maybe some beta-alanine as well) https://www.google.com/search?q=box+squats+benefits&rlz=1Y3JHSK_enUS574US574&oq="box+squats"&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l3.3607j1j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#q=box+squats+knee+pain Minimum though, he should be eating more saturated fats. Maybe even a ketogenic diet. https://www.reddit.com/r/ketorecipes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:31 PM
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L-Arginine, a warning can give horrible gas. Really un-sexy
/r/askTRP16/10/15 08:29 PM
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Oh, and if he's on depression meds. Maybe see if something like Wellbutrin might be better. (Has none of the sexual or weight gain side effects) But gym, diet, and sleep will probably be more effective in the longrun.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:19 PM
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Well then, that's pretty clear (Unless is some bizarre sexual trauma) He has low testosterone. He should go to a doctor and have his levels checked. See if he can get prescribed TRT. He also should get into the gym, and eat plenty of red meat, and eggs. I would suggest StrongLifts 5x5 (which has a great Android or iPhone app) Look and see if you can buy/pirate the Starting Strength book+video by Mark Ripptoe, and maybe hire a personal trainer to learn the big five Olympic lifts. (Proper form is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:14 PM
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Hard to run a conference when you get lynch mobbed by feminists doing everything they can to shut it down every time you try. Including things like pulling the fire alarm.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:50 PM
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Lift weights and kegels. I'm pretty well endowed, but kegels really made my former hard, my current semi-hard. It's also fun getting the exclamation of "how the fuck are you still hard?" Also, when he jacks off, he should make a personal rule to try to get rock hard before he can come. Weirdly, I also tried nofap and a bunch of stuff, but the above, and intentionally jacking off the night before GF comes over actually made a big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:48 PM
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Because some in TRP believe in lying and sexual cheating, therefore rape and murder? That's kind of a crazy logic. Everybody lies or is dishonest when it comes to sexual relationships. And lots of women cheat sexually at nearly the same rate of men. But that's a pretty crazy jump in logic there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:34 PM
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Unless you make a combined income of less than $20,000, or more than $500,000, you actually get a tax penalty. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3oujse/myth_busting_red_pill_attitude_towards_marriage/cw0zh75
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:06 PM
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Here ya go https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3oujse/myth_busting_red_pill_attitude_towards_marriage/cw0zh75
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:01 PM
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He has crappy sources https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3oujse/myth_busting_red_pill_attitude_towards_marriage/cw0zh75
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:59 PM
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u/bonerdude420 For a "mythbuster", you're extremely light on evidence. You're also wrong on all of it. _ There are no significant advantages over an unmarried couple. A marriage certificate has no magical healing properties. http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/unmarried-couples-get-health-benefits-too/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/200902/no-getting-married-does-not-make-you-live-longer _ There's a near perfect correlation between marriage and money. But that's largely be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:27 PM
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Actually the casualty is pretty clear. A marriage certificate doesn't grant magical healing properties. Compared to a similar unmarried couple. http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/unmarried-couples-get-health-benefits-too/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/200902/no-getting-married-does-not-make-you-live-longer
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:03 PM
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Drunk consensual sex shouldn't be a crime.
/r/MensRights14/10/15 11:03 PM
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How dare men have different turn-on's than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 08:51 PM
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Just because it's mean, and unsightly doesn't mean is incorrect though. Self induced mind blindness if you hear anything particularly mean isn't really that pragmatic. Besides which, is it inherently wrong to say that women's brains are wired quite significantly different from men. (Different hemisphere wiring, amygdala nearly 2x size difference, 7x more grey matter in men, 10x more white matter in women) And that the mathematical game theory women participate in the dating arena drastically dif…
/r/MensRights13/10/15 08:34 AM
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Like said. It lacks "tone policing". https://medium.com/@chanda/what-s-the-harm-in-tone-policing-e933d90af247 So it's far more raw and uncut than a lot of common discourse. As for the "feelings", one has to consider it like a newly baked Atheist. They had been living their life a specific way, and got really invested in it. To learn that it's a lie is pretty emotional. It feels like betrayal. Similar also to the time you figure out that Feminism genuinely is pretty apathetic about men's issues. …
/r/MensRights13/10/15 08:18 AM
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Agreed. TRP has a lot of "noise", quite a bit of hyperbole, and genuine hateful people who can't tell the difference. But atleast it's not censoring it's ideas. And that allows for quite a bit of "signal" compared to the "noise". A decent amount of gold-to-shitpost ratio. And that's a genuinely rare thing to find. Real-politik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik
/r/MensRights13/10/15 07:54 AM
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Well, the way I see it. MRM, There are negative societal double standards and laws that harm men. We should fix that. RP, There will always be negative societal double standards and laws that harm men (due to that evolutionary/society sympathy gap for men), and any effort spend to marginally change them would be better spent focusing on personal gain. An example, "Fix marriage laws" VS. "Just don't get married"
/r/MensRights12/10/15 07:44 PM
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More like two different reaction strategies to the same thing. "Things are fucked, so fix it" "Things are fucked, but here's how you can take advantage from it" Appreciate the hell out of MR, but it feels like a good way to burn yourself out, for uncertain and indirect personal benefit.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:49 PM
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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:44 PM
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Well, 1 in every 6 school boys is currently on ADD meds.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:36 PM
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BP - When a man loves a woman RP - Ill mind of hopsin 5
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:35 PM
1

Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:42 PM
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Despises? No. Apathetic/unsympathetic to their troubles when it comes to dating? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:41 PM
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There are essentially two fundamental brands of Feminism that both claim to stand for equality. Equal Treatment Feminism Special Treatment Feminism Kinda hard to respect the second type. And that type tends to be the loudest, and most politically active.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:01 PM
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All internet forums are going to have shit. But if the Gold-to-Shit ratio is high enough, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:55 PM
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A man having the advantage in a relationship? How "awful" is that huh......
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:49 PM
2

RPers believe in magic space wizards?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:46 PM
3

Ever see the word "Manipulation" tossed around? It's pretty much the whole reason RP is disagreed with. Manipulation is bad AWALT is offensive Dualistic mating strategy for men is hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:40 PM
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Any time a man has a distinct advantage in a relationship, and leverages that advantage, it's "Abuse". I.e. All of redpill is about teaching "Abuse". Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:38 PM
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So those vast differences in brain composition and structure have no biological impact? http://www.elementsbehavioralhealth.com/news-and-research/gray-matter-self-control-decision-making/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22815223
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 09:43 PM
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Sure. Until they start changing the laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism I'm actually kinda afraid if Hillary gets elected, considering all the "women deserve legal special treatment" laws she'll be demanding. Think something like Title XI fuckery, but worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:30 PM
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"Men NEED to lead a relationship because women are illogical emotional children" Would it be fair to say men have 7 times more grey matter (logic), and 80% larger amygdala (emotional control) than women, and that women's brains are structured to have a lot more linkages between brain hemispheres which leads to uncontrolled emotion (right brain) having heavy influence/interference on logical decision making (left brain)? And that that might be especially pronounced during times of stress? https:/…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:17 PM
0

Should it be a vampire this time, or tying a girl up with a necktie?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 07:58 PM
4

More to do with "Men have a sub conscious negative response to the idea of having Heirs with sluts." Sluts are for Bastards. And you don't care about those, because there's no way a primitive man could confirm it's his own. So you fuck then and walk away. Men who did this were more likely to reproduce viable offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:43 AM
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So basically you absolutely refuse the burden of proof that there is a more scientifically backed and effective alternative than TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 12:28 AM
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It's interesting how you can't give a straight answer for an actual alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 11:23 PM
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And is the alternative to TRP any better?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 07:54 PM
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Here ya go: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ReRcHdeUG9Y&t=21m16s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 07:06 PM
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So the opposing theories of dating mechanics have more science to back them? Some science is certainly greater than No science. Still waiting for that BP counter-theory in how to optimally get a man into a woman's pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:36 PM
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Fair enough. But the main thing being that cheating was a legitimate mating strategy, especially before the scientific advent of paternity tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 08:51 PM
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Because cheating and cuckolding still existed. As is blindingly obvious in the evidence. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/31cd8e/about_four_or_five_women_reproduced_for_every_one/ It's kinda hardwired in there http://www.mensfitness.com/women/dating-advice/ovulation-affects-a-womans-choice-of-mate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 08:43 PM
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Thus the necessity of religion and marriage to dismantle natural harems to build a society. Catch being modern society has dismantled religion and marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 08:23 PM
1

Thank you for the long thought out reply, to what is now a closed thread. And like you said, looks like you are a rare one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 08:20 PM
1

Bingo. Kind of like the less blatant version of a hot 25 year old marrying a rich 85 year old, for "true love".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 08:10 PM
1

Sounds like rather flowery language. (I.e. Good fertilizer) I'll challenge you this. Unmarried couples are the ones who are together because they choose to be. It stays "Special" because you know you could lose the person. So you can't slack on providing value in the relationship. Rather than $20,000 of wedding/ring, and $20,000 of divorce lawyers, and the higher earning spouse losing half, being The underlying reason you are still together.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 07:39 PM
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That former cheating sorority girl is now super innocent and loyal because she signed a marriage certificate? I ain't saying she's a gold digger.... But http://www.hamiltonproject.org/assets/legacy/images/uploads/thp_image_uploads/charts/020312_earnings_marriage_men.png
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 06:56 PM
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They exist. For now. At this moment in time. But where's the guarantee that this person will be of the same state of mind 10 or 30 years later? If you're marrying somebody for their body, personality, and sex life. And they get fat, take you for granted, and cut sex down to a bare minimum. Then what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 06:23 PM
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Financial abortion would be desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 06:06 PM
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Guessing her original source is probably this one 8.9% of the married adult population is aged 18-29 years, compared to 33.7% of the unmarried adult population, while 3.2% of the married adult population is aged 80 years or over, compared to 6.5% of the unmarried adult population. – U.S. Census Bureau. American Community Survey: 2005. http://www.unmarried.org/statistics/ Just need to dig through a PDF to find it.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/15 04:45 PM
2

Is there an original source for this stat, that isn't some book? Peer review maybe?
/r/TheRedPill06/10/15 04:38 PM
2

Agreed. But one wonders if the reason for that is "if a woman ever gets the short end of a bargain, it's wrong, because she's a woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:41 PM
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R/EqualTreatmentFeminism maybe?
/r/MensRights02/10/15 04:00 PM
1

Well, some of them were right though. By the time you get a girl naked, and whip your dick out. Chances are the size of your dick had nothing to do with it. More like the size of your biceps and shoulders. Clothing style. And smooth talking. And anybody can pull that off. Other than that. Most of a vaginas nerves are near the front anyways, and girls are often bad at measuring. So just give her a rough fuck, and she won't know the difference. Can even lie a little bit. Heck, losing weight also o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 03:50 PM
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Or just go pay a "professional" to have sex with your son.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 03:42 PM
3

Cyanide is natural, and gluten free.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 03:24 PM
2

Lift weights and kegels. I'm pretty well endowed, but kegels really made my former hard, my current semi-hard. It's also fun getting the exclamation of "how the fuck are you still hard?" Also, get good at eating pussy. That Nina Hartley video is a pretty decent starter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 09:16 AM
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Well then, how about in your own words, respond to the concept that all optimization of sexual strategy is "manipulation". As women make themselves look more fertile than they are, or more suitable as a mother than they are, and men working out at the gym are making themselves look like they have better genes than they do, and men go into horrible debt and overwork to make themselves look like more affluent Providers than they are. It's all deception. It's all about perception. But somehow, "win…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 02:16 AM
2

Does having a favorite ice cream flavor make you bigoted to all other ice cream?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 07:52 PM
0

How dare people use persuasive sales tactics when trying to sell dick. They might actually get sex that way, without paying an outsized price for it. But that prudish church girl who slept with 100 guys in college, who marries a rich engineer, then divorces him and takes half his shit. That's perfectly legit. Sure sounds a lot like "getting advantages in dating/relationships is only bad when men do it".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 07:44 PM
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I'd frame it as "Masculinity-Shaming". I.e. Only weak willed submissive men are moral.
/r/MensRights30/09/15 07:22 PM
1

Duluth model making men the default aggressor, even when they did nothing, and they were the one's to call it in.
/r/MensRights30/09/15 06:52 PM
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Why? It's dramatically cheaper to do life in prison with no appeal. (Adds on an extra ~$500,000 to the taxpayer cost) http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Sounds unintuitive, but due to all the extra security and court processes, it ends up costing the general public a ton of money. And even then, 1 in every 25 people executed are later found innocent. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent
/r/MensRights30/09/15 06:44 PM
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The main objectionable parts of third wave is Special Treatment Feminism. Other than that, it's mostly just incorporating LBGT and PoC into the mix, with a little bit of giving a shit about the third world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 06:13 PM
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