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Why should she lose weight? Most comedians aren't exactly the bodybuilder type. She does need to become funny though. Saying the dirtiest stuff you can think of isn't humor. It enhances certain kinds of humor, but it isn't humor by itself.
/r/MGTOW28/08/17 10:02 PM
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You don't think women were oppressed before they could vote? Before the equal pay act of 1963? Before they could control their bodies starting in 1973? Before marital rape was illegal in every state in 1993? You could argue that men don't oppress women now. But if you want to argue that it's never happened, that's bullshit.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 03:13 AM
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If an action is bad enough, you can condemn it without ad hominem nonsense.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 05:04 AM
3

When do you see female nudity on TV shows? And I mean genitalia, not breasts, because if you want to talk about toplessness, the men win out
/r/MensRights21/08/17 05:02 AM
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Government, sexist institutions, societal expectations. Come on, you're smart enough to keep up with this.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 05:01 AM
1

Getting an abortion is being responsible for your own actions, so long as you aren't asking someone you've never banged to pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 07:26 PM
1

So this whole thing about consent to sex is consent to having a child is BS that you made up because you thought my position was "free everything?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 06:44 PM
2

Does it matter why? What's better, not existing or having a mother that wishes you didn't exist and doesn't hesitate to show it? If I was forced to have a child, I wouldn't physically abuse it, but it would get none of my time or energy. That's worse than simply not existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 06:43 PM
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That's why I'm not demanding free. I'm not even demanding partially subsidized. I'm demanding not outlawing my bodily integrity. THAT is staying the fuck out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 06:25 PM
2

What's wrong with contentment? I also think it's weird that you think women get abortions to satisfy some kind of deranged bloodlust, and not just to keep her life from being ruined with a horrible baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 06:12 PM
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The point of hedonism is to avoid pain and seek pleasure. As far as boring goes, the older I get the happier I am with boredom.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 05:50 PM
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Well, I think we're just going to agree to disagree. In my opinion, the less pain and danger the better. I don't really think there's an actual point to any of this, so my philosophy is definitely one of hedonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 05:44 PM
2

And you don't think that's more dangerous and painful for her? Why shouldn't a simple medical procedure be clinical?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 05:26 PM
1

And you don't think it's a daddy state that tries to control my body? Remember, I'm not saying pay for it. I'm saying keep the fuck out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 05:12 PM
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Killing people is the opposite of what doctors are supposed to do. It's not required, you're right, but let's put it this way. I'm a musician in a restaurant. Do you want me to do your surgery? Or do you want a doctor to do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 05:11 PM
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Nothing forces you to have sex (unless you were raped, of course, which happens with alarming frequency). But you can't pretend it isn't a big part of a healthy relationship. Check out r/deadbedrooms if you don't believe me. They'll set you straight in a hurry! As for protection, of course you should use it! I'm of the opinion that both parties should use it. But I also know it can fail, even if both people use it perfectly, which is unlikely when medically accurate sex ed doesn't exist in most …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 04:36 PM
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The fact that it's unrealistic to stay a virgin until menopause or ruin your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 03:23 PM
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I was afraid to sleep last night for fear I'd wake up and everyone would have the entire new song memorized 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 03:15 AM
2

I said that's what would result from a society where women don't have any status. Which I think I would be an effect of polygamy (IF it's only legal for men).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 02:30 AM
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And knowing that, I would never presume to tell you not to have kids because it's not what I want. Honestly though the "kids vs travel" thing is so upper-middle-class it's insane. Most of us are lucky to afford one or the other! Oh hi! I recognize you too! Crazy shit going on lately, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 02:28 AM
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Because half of the population won't tolerate being powerless and useless. I know I wouldn't. Would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 02:27 AM
1

Killing is the opposite of what doctors do? Tell that to cancer cells, bacteria, viruses, and parasitic organisms. Doctors do a lot of killing if it's for the well being of their patient. And yeah, it takes a phd to perform surgery. Why is that surprising to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 02:26 AM
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And that's obviously bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 01:18 AM
1

Most people aren't doctors, so...how would that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 01:14 AM
2

And presumably one where women don't really have status to speak of.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:29 PM
1

If you want them, they'll make you happier. If you do it because "muh obligation! social expectations, derp" then they won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:13 PM
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Most people are lucky to be able to afford one or the other tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:10 PM
2

In itself, no, but what kind of society do you think we'd be looking at where that's an acceptable and average thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:06 PM
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What's life-affirming for you and me might be soul-crushing for her. A million times yes! Having children would destroy my chance at happiness in life. I know other women whose happiness would be destroyed by infertility. You can never just say "this is the path to happiness* and expect it to be a uniform thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:05 PM
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The kind where men have multiple wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:00 PM
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Yup, that's what I'm talking about. "Pretty much equal" isn't good enough when we're talking about forced body donation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:00 PM
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A lot of people on here seem to think women are submissive/followers/passive. I am exactly none of those things. I'm very opinionated, and (I know this one isn't great) pretty damn bossy. Not offended by the word though, I know it's true. Oh, and I wouldn't have kids to save the entire world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 10:37 PM
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I'd say not being married beats both options. However, in a society with one-sided polygamy, that isn't going to be an option for most women. They probably wouldn't do much of anything in a society like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 10:32 PM
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The right not to have parasitic things use our bodies against our will, at least in some states.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 10:28 PM
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I would be astounded if I was. Redditors can be a tad unobservant at times, but to not notice what a pig of a man you are? They'd have to be blogging with both eyes shut.
/r/MensRights17/08/17 01:28 AM
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Well, your username checks out anyway 🙄
/r/MensRights16/08/17 05:38 AM
1

Gets away with what, letting him know in no uncertain terms that he does NOT have the right to her body? Guess what, bud, this sub is for men's rights. The only thing you have the "right" to when you touch someone without their consent is a fist to the face.
/r/MensRights16/08/17 04:17 AM
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Since when is sexual assault a minor offense?
/r/MensRights16/08/17 04:15 AM
2

Um, then he'll be a child with a baby to raise. Which is even worse than being mandated to pay.
/r/MensRights16/08/17 04:13 AM
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Not the child who was raped though. Ruin his life with a baby.
/r/MensRights16/08/17 04:12 AM
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The fact that she's an authority figure proves coercion.
/r/MensRights16/08/17 04:11 AM
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An exception should be made to implement something that doesn't work? Genius. You could be president with that logic. 🙄
/r/MensRights16/08/17 04:08 AM
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I'd say there are two distinct groups on here. The people actually fighting for men, and the people who seem to have gotten lost on their way to trp/incels.
/r/MensRights16/08/17 04:04 AM
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Something idiotic.
/r/MensRights16/08/17 04:02 AM
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They didn't do anything, that's sort of my point.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 10:30 PM
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What worth? Maids and babymakers? They wanted to accomplish something other than turning their uterus into a clown car and asking "how high?" if their husband said jump.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 10:13 PM
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I'm sure you do make decisions together. But your decision making power over her is nonexistent. Maybe she's some submissive idiot, I don't know.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 10:03 PM
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You don't have any authority over your wife. She's not your daughter.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 09:18 PM
4

I don't think you get to decide that you want periodic visits during the shitty part of your daughter's life and then 50/50 custody once the easy part comes. You can't have it both ways.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 08:19 PM
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True, but it's got to be a lot more stressful than the average office job - or even the average hard physical labor job - knowing that if you don't have a productive day every single time, you and your community will die. There's really no room for an off performance.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 05:10 AM
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I do think it's strange that women are more likely to want to see their fellow woman have the right to control her body taken away. It's not like anybody is talking about outlawing reproduction, so I'm not sure where they get the idea that any kind of threat to motherhood is lurking behind every corner.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 05:09 AM
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Don't worry, I really don't.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 05:07 AM
1

It's not about how low your voice is, practicing your range is a good thing. It's about the improper technique used whenever fry is happening.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 05:07 AM
1

I don't see how they could remove the fetus without performing a c-section.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 05:01 AM
1

Vocal fry should be frowned upon. It's terrible for your vocal cords.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:57 AM
1

"It just is" is never a reason and should never be taken as one. If you don't know, it's perfectly okay to say so, but to just accept that there's no reason for something just doesn't sit well with me.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:54 AM
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It's not cursive. It's got random capitalization (noBody) and the letter t looks ridiculous every time it's written. Other than that I like the handwriting, but it's sure af not cursive.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:52 AM
2

And this is one of the main reasons a third party is going to happen.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:47 AM
1

Most people don't..
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:46 AM
1

Women want money. That's what we have jobs for.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:44 AM
1

Hunting is fun if you're doing it as a hobby. If it's a case of succeed or you literally don't eat, the fun diminishes rapidly.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:40 AM
1

Why wouldn't she have insisted on a cheating clause in the prenup?
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:39 AM
1

A few good points buried in 95% traditionalist garbage.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:26 AM
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I think there's even more anti choice/pro forced birth women than there are men, strangely enough.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:18 AM
3

So is the way you spelled it.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:14 AM
3

Don't dislocate your arms with that reach.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:06 AM
4

What does "equality overkill" even mean? Equal is equal. There aren't degrees of it, and it can't be overdone.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 04:04 AM
3

Now I'm going to forever wonder what the word is after "cats ="
/r/MensRights22/07/17 12:15 AM
1

I think you're the one who's not pretending, buddy.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 09:32 PM
1

I can agree with that. But it should be covered by insurance, which the individual does pay for.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 07:59 PM
1

Well I'd certainly say that's true about whether she can have an abortion or not. But certainly not true of whether he can opt out of fatherhood or not.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 07:35 PM
1

Okay, which makes sense until after birth. But then the baby already exists, it's not in anyone's body...so I still don't see the appeal to biology here.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 07:25 PM
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What option are you implying exactly?
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:45 PM
1

The moment we get law involved in churches, we're in big trouble. I say that as an atheist who doesn't want the church to have any say in how the government runs.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:44 PM
2

What "sexual parts" are you talking about? Are you saying I can strip off my skirt and panties and walk around a public park and it's legal?
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:39 PM
4

As are American men. Rights are never based on weight.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:38 PM
3

But people don't want to be abstinent, they want to have sex, without pregnancy. So? Why is that wrong?
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:37 PM
2

They don't want to simply refuse to pay for it, they want to ban it. And they want to stop insurance from covering it.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:37 PM
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I'm not blaming the guy. In fact, I didn't even make it gendered in the post where I expanded on what I meant. I don't even think anyone's really "at fault" in the rich person/trophy spouse dichotomy, as long as they're both honest about it. I think it's a horribly empty and shallow relationship to have, but it's not inherently wrong, so nobody can be at fault.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:35 PM
1

Shockingly enough, that's what happens when you take a year off and call it "maternity leave" despite your body being healed in 6-10 weeks.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:29 PM
0

Housewives > service jobs in society? Lmao, I think not. At least waitressing is actually a job.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:27 PM
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Why would biology be used as an argument against paternal surrender laws? Makes no sense.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:20 PM
2

Like the choice to vote for the people who do it.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:19 PM
6

It's a fucked up thing to do. I'm just curious how you look at it. Is it okay in your mind that someone gets married with the intention of leeching off a rich person? If so, why is it okay to do that, but not okay to call an exchange of sex for riches prostitution?
/r/MensRights19/07/17 06:09 PM
3

Well, do you have a counter argument?
/r/MensRights19/07/17 05:16 PM
2

Oh shit, my mistake for assuming his mental illness gender. 😂
/r/MensRights19/07/17 05:13 PM
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In reference to point 3, I'd say the use of the word survivor has helped me resist acting on suicidal ideation. The way I see it, if I can survive being raped dozens of times as a toddler and sexually victimized as a teenager, an ordinary Wednesday is a piece of cake to get through. Even on days when it's not, the perspective is still there.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 05:05 PM
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I just realized that he's a man telling a woman what's supposedly going on in her life, against what she actually says, in the name of feminism. What???
/r/MensRights19/07/17 03:50 PM
2

That's why they probably struggle. I don't feel sorry for their free choice.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 03:49 PM
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Actually no, he doesn't. Want to know why? There are two reasons. One, he's not an asshole (why would I have married him if he was?). Two, I wouldn't allow someone I was in a relationship with to have power over me. I have every bit as much say over where money goes as he does. Sure, I don't do whatever I want whenever I want. But guess what? Neither does he. When you're married you're no longer only answerable to yourself. Maybe get better friends. Your idea of money and power must make Christm…
/r/MensRights19/07/17 03:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure neither employed men nor women can do that. And yes, most homemakers are occupying that role by choice.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 03:28 PM
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If they married for money, they're a legal prostitute and probably do struggle with self worth issues. If they married someone for the right reasons who just happened to be rich, I bet they're fine.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 02:35 PM
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Except that if you're married, it is yours.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 02:33 PM
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Authority over you, lmao. Are you going to tell me my husband has authority over me because I'm disabled and don't have a proper job?
/r/MensRights19/07/17 02:32 PM
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Where are your stats for that? C-sections are literally very invasive surgery from which it takes at least 10 weeks to recover. No abortion, no matter how late term, takes that long to recover from nor does it leave lasting damage to the woman like a c-section does. any woman willing to do it shouldn't be raising a child. Most people who get abortions are already mothers, and they're doing a perfectly good job at it. And despite what pro-life people say, there are factually not enough people wil…
/r/MensRights18/07/17 05:10 PM
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Except that removing it alive requires a c-section, which is more invasive and harder to recover from. So let's not equate them like they're comparable at all. I'm not trying to start a debate, just trying to point out where your logic goes astray a bit.
/r/MensRights18/07/17 03:33 PM
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You understand why late abortions are done, right?
/r/MensRights18/07/17 04:41 AM
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Because the new mothers are recovering from childbirth?
/r/AntiFeminists18/07/17 01:49 AM
1

Not giving someone bodily autonomy is a serious injustice. The answer to serious injustices is to fix them, not to create even more injustices.
/r/MensRights09/07/17 02:51 PM
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Either parent should have "dibs" on adoption so to speak. They should be able to adopt it themselves if the other doesn't want to raise it. The parent who doesn't want it shouldn't have to be responsible for it in any way.
/r/MensRights09/07/17 02:50 PM
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The same argument can be made about men being allowed to force a woman to give birth if he doesn't like abortion. In the end it's her body and her choice. But it's also his life and should be his choice whether he wants to be involved, personally and financially. Lying about birth control should be considered a form of rape since he isn't consenting to sex under the circumstances that are being presented to him.
/r/MensRights07/07/17 03:42 AM
1

So you think men should be allowed to force women to get an abortion? No offense intended, legitimately curious...does bodily autonomy mean anything to you?
/r/MensRights06/07/17 11:35 PM
-1

I'm definitely not really a MGTOW member, I think most of you are idiots. That said, I don't like life in an echo chamber, so here I lurk (and occasionally comment). She said it was "cute" because she knows it's ridiculous. That was the most condescending "cute" ever, the same kind I'd give if my husband ever tried to pretend he had power over me. But no, you thought she was serious. Like I said originally, idiot.
/r/MGTOW06/07/17 07:28 PM
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It's "your child" at birth. Otherwise grow it in your own body, you'll have all the say in the matter then.
/r/MGTOW06/07/17 06:23 PM
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Why would marriage make someone suddenly want to become pregnant?
/r/MensRights01/07/17 12:04 AM
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Yes, nothing has the right to use a person's body without their consent. That includes a fetus.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 12:02 AM
10

I think r/badwomensanatomy would like a word with you.
/r/MensRights28/06/17 02:37 PM
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The question is, should we ban circumcision, and for that matter FGM, for adults 18+? And if we do, how can we say it's about bodily autonomy?
/r/MensRights28/06/17 02:36 PM
1

I don't have a very high opinion of childbearing as a woman's highest accomplishment. If that makes me a misogynist (because I think women are worth more than just being babymakers??) so be it.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 06:10 AM
1

Of course they're not exactly equal. If nothing else, their biology differs. I just don't think anyone should be encouraged to make a certain choice because of what they were born as. If they make that choice anyway I might think it's a little unfortunate, but it's not my place to interfere.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 07:06 PM
2

We should absolutely be careful. But going out with your friends looking ridiculous because you feel like covering up will save you just seems like a paranoid and horrible way to live to me. I also don't mean shooting someone because you're uncomfortable. I mean shooting someone if they assault you or attempt to rape you. Conceal carry permits come with mandatory gun safety class as far as I know, so we wouldn't have a bunch of people who don't know what to do with their gun. But if you're uncom…
/r/MensRights22/06/17 05:10 PM
0

I actually remember hearing that rapists are more likely to go for conservatively dressed women than skimpily dressed ones. I'm on mobile so I can't find a source for that easily, all I can find is people's attitudes about victim blaming, nothing about clothing and who actually gets raped. Honestly, I think the best defense against rapists would be a bunch of people deciding to conceal carry guns (where it's legal, of course). If a rapist knew there was a 50/50 chance their target is packing a w…
/r/MensRights22/06/17 04:54 PM
2

Did you miss the part where that's all they did? There are plenty of mothers who actually accomplish something real with their lives. But you have to admit that traditionally, they did not.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 04:04 PM
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And what exactly do you think we should do to minimize those risks? Dress "modestly" like the religious freaks want? Walk around a submissive posture and attitude so the rapist won't think you're a challenge and therefore won't get a power trip from it? Yes, these are straw men. I know they're straw men, that was intentional. But since I can assume you don't want that (no reasonable person would), what do you think are the right steps to take?
/r/MensRights22/06/17 04:03 PM
2

Oh, yeah, being coerced by societal norms and even forced by lack of contraceptive options to waste their life shitting out babies. So great. So important.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 03:01 PM
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I think it's more that people pretend that what the woman was wearing had anything to do with it. That's what makes women angriest about it.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 02:55 PM
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Believing that someone's role has been predetermined by what they are is incredibly wrong, no matter who the "someone" is. And let's not pretend that the roles were "equally important" traditionally. Making the world happen is a little higher on the importance scale than making a sandwich.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 02:51 PM
2

What does a single picture have to do with what the other two individuals were saying?
/r/MGTOW19/06/17 04:44 PM
3

Yeah, who needs facts anyway?
/r/MGTOW19/06/17 03:14 AM
2

Mental gymnastics? I just misinterpreted what you said. Sorry about that, but it happens. I haven't met a man in person who's said those things either. I think the vast majority of men would cringe at the thought that someone could say such a ridiculous thing. But when you debate controversial things, whether they should be controversial or not (like people controlling their own bodies) you do meet loonies and I think that's all this post is saying. It's like "holy shit, look what some guys say.…
/r/AntiFeminists16/06/17 05:28 PM
2

Okay, so you're going from "no man ever" to "well, not all men," with a serious implication of "so what if a person with actual power said that, they don't ALL say that so who cares." I call that moving the goal posts, don't you?
/r/AntiFeminists15/06/17 07:34 PM
1

I don't see the relevance to men's rights, I'm afraid. These aren't loving dads being kept from their children by vindictive women. These are dads who walked away.
/r/MensRights15/06/17 06:03 PM
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Actually the governor of Maine, Paul LePaige, did say that about rape.
/r/AntiFeminists15/06/17 04:09 PM
1

Because the dictionary has never been wrong before. Next you'll want to call tapeworms people. 🙄 My comment was related to you calling me "silly" (as a form of address, not an adjective), which I don't tolerate. As for my relationship status, I'm married to the same person I've been with for almost 7 years. I wouldn't tolerate him condescending to me either, not that he tries. I dare say I don't attract the kind of person who would try, thankfully.
/r/MensRights14/06/17 04:18 PM
1

I can see why you're angry about it. What I can't see is why you want to pick a fight with someone who agrees with you that the status of fathers in the legal system is horrible.
/r/MensRights14/06/17 03:35 PM
0

There is also no such thing as an "unborn person." And first and last warning, I don't tolerate condescending pet names, ever. One more time and this conversation will end immediately.
/r/MensRights14/06/17 03:34 PM
1

Absolutely not. The current status of fathers rights in custody disputes is inexcusable. Weird you'd assume I believe that, though, even though I'm not against any other men's rights issue. You seem to have a fight to pick.
/r/MensRights14/06/17 06:49 AM
1

That is creepy as all fuck. What about what's pleasurable for them? Internalized sexism bothers me the most of all sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 02:16 AM
1

Refunded? Kegel exercises are free...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 02:13 AM
1

So, if you agree to have a child with a woman you think you shouldn't have to pay for it? Hah, good luck with that! It's idiotic as fuck.
/r/MensRights14/06/17 02:13 AM
1

Yeah, that's not really a reason. I was obviously an embryo once and I couldn't care less about them if I tried. I was serious. "Baby" is a term of endearment that means anything and therefore nothing. It's used to make emotional arguments about things that have no actual importance.
/r/MensRights14/06/17 02:12 AM
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You shouldn't have to pay child support for a child you didn't agree to have. Not exactly "never."
/r/MensRights13/06/17 04:37 AM
11

"kill your baby" my god could you BE any more dramatic about a freakin embryo?
/r/MensRights13/06/17 04:36 AM
1

Ah, you mean mandatory for doctors to suggest? In that case I agree, a doctor should have to provide all relevant medical information to their patients, including how to fix their body after something traumatic like birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 10:25 PM
1

My point is that having a career is something you can control to safeguard against something you can't. Obviously women cheat too, that's why I don't suggest that anyone, regardless of gender, should sit around being useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 10:26 PM
6

You don't have total control over whether you get pregnant, but you absolutely do have absolute control over whether you give birth, and even more control over whether you become a parent.
/r/RedPillWomen10/06/17 03:12 AM
1

Have you ever met an actual woman? Like even one time?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 03:00 AM
1

African men's idea of a good time is to fuck gravel?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 02:57 AM
2

Should be mandatory with who as the authority figure?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 02:56 AM
4

A woman can control whether she cheats. She can't control what he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 02:41 AM
2

What the actual fuck? Your question literally boils down to "yeah, bestiality is gross, but aren't male gorillas hot?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 02:39 AM
3

That's what happens when the mothers sit home not accomplishing anything. They have to live through their kids and hope the children are less useless than they are.
/r/MensRights10/06/17 02:18 AM
1

How convenient that the child has no rights at all when the question of abortion is being considered, since that would limit the mother's available options and choices, yet the child immediately gains an inviolable right to forced financial support from an unwilling biological father the moment it is born! I agree with everything else you said, but this can easily be explained by the fact that there isn't a child until it's born. There's a fetus. Fetuses don't have rights, children do.
/r/MensRights10/06/17 02:10 AM
1

I know there's nothing wrong with being female online. I was just trying to list all the similarities they had in an attempt to figure out why on earth their opinions could be assumed to be the same. The screenshot was meant to influence your thoughts that way. A good this sub has become anti woman propaganda instead of actual fighting for men's rights.
/r/MensRights31/05/17 12:37 AM
0

And what are they doing that implies they'd agree with each other? Tweeting? Talking about celebrities? Daring to be female online? These people aren't hypocrites. One is a bitch and the other is a random woman on twitter.
/r/MensRights30/05/17 10:52 PM
3

Raise money for a good cause. Exclude half of the population. What???
/r/MensRights29/05/17 10:29 PM
1

It matters because if Alex intentionally lies to me, I can no longer trust Alex. I don't care if Alex is male or female. All I care about is that Alex doesn't intentionally lie to me to test me. And if he/she does, he/she is not my friend.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 03:56 AM
1

Artificial eggs and sperm, you mean? But the second part of my comment still stands: heterosexuals will still exist. Most people don't want to fuck dolls.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 02:40 AM
1

Artificial wombs aren't far away. We still need eggs and sperm. And presumably heterosexuals will still exist.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 01:16 AM
1

Unfortunately that's true.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 01:15 AM
3

I think so, yeah.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 01:15 AM
2

I think that's part of the root of a huge problem tbh. Not only do men not have any kind of formal support, but they don't even have the unofficial support of friendships to lean on.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 09:09 PM
1

I'm not religious, but if you want to know what churches preach that, baptists, lutherans, seventh day adventists, catholics, just to name a few. The only church I've ever been to that didn't preach female submission was the Methodist church, and they're pretty unusual in that respect.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 09:03 PM
2

My point is that it does effect you because you can't trust that "friend" any more. Once someone literally admits to doing something to test you, that trust is broken. Forever. If your friendships aren't based on trust, there wouldn't be much effect I guess, but many friendships are.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 07:40 PM
-2

It isn't about "should people speak in church because it's rude," it's about the fact that women are told to be silent in church and men are not. They're also told to learn "with submissiveness," so you will never convince me that religion isn't fucked up. I'm not debating that strict interpretation of religious texts is tucked up. It is. I know it is. I'm just saying these things exist in all religions, and to follow any of them to the letter would make someone evil.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 07:39 PM
2

When "degeneracy" starts to mean everything from homosexuality or not having children or not following traditional values, it loses all meaning. This is the kind of situation it should be reserved for, but it doesn't mean anything anymore. It's like sexism or racism. They were such heavily used buzzwords that when you see it for real, it doesn't mean anything anymore and there's no way to call out the legitimate thing.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:46 PM
1

Some of these guys look like they're doing a great job as dads! The rest look like they're trolling (the banana baby), just having a bad day that any parent could have (the scraped-up nose boy), or simply refusing to obey the dictate of the other parent (chocolate kid). I don't see any of these dads who "shouldn't be trusted" with their own damn kids.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:41 PM
10

She can absolutely try out the experiment. But those people aren't her friends, they're her test subjects.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:36 PM
1

And you've got christians saying women should marry their rapists, obey their husbands, and not speak in church. Not everyone interprets the ridiculous things in holy texts literally. And as for those who allow it, what about all the ones who speak out against it? What would you have them do to stop allowing it? What else is in their power to do?
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:36 PM
1

What do you mean by "define the strong"? I don't think I get it. Either way, don't both genders kind of need each other equally for society to continue, physical strength aside? Nobody can reproduce asexually.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:19 PM
3

I think the irony is that a presumably "pro-woman" award gathering is upholding expected stereotypes. Maybe? I mean, I'm really really reaching for anything somebody somewhere could be offended by and that's all I can come up with. Either way somebody needs to put their big girl/big boy pants on.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:17 PM
0

Freedom of speech means you have the right not to be persecuted by the government for saying it. Not that we don't get to say it's a dumb post. As far as I know, nobody has reported this post to the Feds, so worry not, your freedom of speech remains intact.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:12 PM
0

I think it's more to fight the traditional idea that women should be quiet and dainty and not speak up, although they do take it to ridiculous extremes (looking at you, Big Red).
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:10 PM
9

If you blame all Muslims, you're (rightly) branded a bigot. But blaming all men is fine and dandy, apparently. Totally not bigoted at all. 🙄
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:08 PM
17

And women are laughing at men's reactions online. What do you think those same women would do at a men's only screening of some comic book adaptation? They'd scream about it for weeks, and I wouldn't blame them. But this deserves the same reaction. If I was a man, I'd show up anyway. If they kicked me out, sue for gender discrimination. Even if the restaurant settled out of court, it would make a hell of a good precedent and make for publicity grabbing headlines.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:05 PM
4

Horse shoe theory is very real.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:02 PM
4

Should he allow himself to be belittled even if he isn't the only income earner? Why on earth would anyone allow their spouse to belittle them, no matter what the earning situation is? Self respect: it's for everybody!
/r/MensRights26/05/17 05:02 PM
3

Bisexual men are definitely less tolerated than bisexual women but bisexuality is pretty well discriminated against by both heterosexuals and the LGT part of LGBT.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:59 PM
6

I guess I also wouldn't want to be involved in a friendship where I have to be careful of everything I say and keep my guard up constantly. That's what I do with strangers, I don't need to do it with friends too. And, uh...sorry about mike?
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:57 PM
3

Small correction, the Hobby Lobby thing wasn't about getting birth control for free. It's about getting it covered by their insurance, which they pay for, and which, thanks to the ACA, they are literally forced under penalty of law to have. Huge difference.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:48 PM
63

The really cool part? When she revealed to her male friends she was actually a woman, they didn't think it was a big deal. See, that would bother me. Not because of any gender issues, I don't care if my friends are male/female/trans or whatever. But if a friend could lie to me about something as basic as their identity for two years, what else are they lying about? The trust would be gone for me. Maybe I'm proving the point that women are less accepting, but damn. Lies bother me, you can't have …
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:40 PM
1

It's the "ladies love to drink wine" stereotype. Except it's not. It's a harmless bottle of wine that somebody got all worked up about.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:36 PM
1

Two people who don't know each other can be expected to support the other literal stranger's opinion? The problem there is your expectation, not the second tweet with a different opinion from the first. And I don't dislike this subreddit at all. I dislike the RP/MGTOW trolls who have invaded it lately. I'm voluntarily here for legitimate MR issues, not "waaaaah someone said something rude on twitter!" You have no "right" not to be offended on social media.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:30 PM
5

Then maybe a man should've made a similar documentary first.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:28 PM
1

If I recall correctly, they originally said all sexually active women of childbearing age should abstain from alcohol in case they become pregnant. That's far creepier than just telling them not to drink while they're pregnant.
/r/RedPillWives25/05/17 10:48 PM
5

In high school a teacher told my husband he "wasn't college material" and he should find a job that doesn't require an education. He graduated with top grades for his Masters degree a couple of years ago :)
/r/MensRights25/05/17 10:20 PM
1

Breaking news: two different individuals have two different opinions. Idiots everywhere are shocked.
/r/MensRights25/05/17 10:00 PM
3

So? When my husband and I first got together I was 19 and he was 31. Yeah, it's young, but 19 year olds are adults.
/r/MensRights25/05/17 10:00 PM
1

How can best interest of the child apply before there's a child?
/r/MensRights24/05/17 09:37 PM
1

My mistake, it was 54%, even the most anti abortion sources report that.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 09:42 AM
1

52% of the women who get abortions were using at least one method of contraception. I think it's best to use two, but it can and does happen.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 04:40 AM
1

When you could have prevented it? Please tell me what birth control is 100% effective, and what gender it's for? Either myself or my husband need to start taking it, immediately.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 04:15 AM
1

It's self defense, there's always a health risk from it. Killing something that's actively using your body without your consent is always justified.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 03:41 AM
1

As long as men are held to the exact same terms under the contract, and as long as it's voluntary (as in, not required by any government), that's fine.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 02:50 AM
1

Comparing divorce and rape is pretty much the definition of manufacturing a crisis.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 02:47 AM
1

Of course being a rapist makes you an unfit parent. WTF is wrong with you. THIS, oh my fucking god. I was reading that wondering if I was actually in a psych ward imagining this crap. How could anyone believe that someone who has been convicted of disgusting, violent crimes against another human being should be left alone with another human being, one who is actually defenseless and vulnerable?
/r/MensRights18/05/17 02:44 AM
0

You lost 100% credibility the moment you called it murder. There's also no such thing as "fair to the child" before there's a child.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 02:41 AM
1

This is insulting as fuck to women too. Yes, I get harassed online. Yes, I get sexual comments. No, I am NOT "vulnerable," online OR off.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 02:37 AM
4

This week's episode shows how women were just as complicit in that society coming to pass as men were.
/r/MensRights18/05/17 01:50 AM
1

Physical threat can be a part of it. The women I'm talking about are eerie, disturbing, and weird. Therefore they're creepy.
/r/MensRights17/05/17 01:05 AM
1

Creepy is also anything eliciting revulsion and that feels unsettling. Lots of people feel that way about overgrown children.
/r/MensRights17/05/17 12:21 AM
1

Lack of recognition of who's an authority figure and who's not? Acting like an overgrown child? Pretending your voice isn't as important as someone else of equal status? Come on, tell me how that's not creepy. It's disgusting as fuck. And if you don't think so, tell me this: why don't you act like that if it's so great?
/r/MensRights16/05/17 10:22 PM
1

The things I mentioned earlier. Acting like an idiot stepford robot.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 09:09 PM
2

I think we might know the same guy
/r/MGTOW16/05/17 06:33 PM
1

Women are called creepy when they're actually being creepy. Men are called creepy when they put one toe over the line of what's "standard," and often isn't creepy behavior at all. Was that easier?
/r/MensRights16/05/17 06:07 PM
1

Anecdotal evidence is just that. It's still evidence, but until you back it up with proof, it's nothing more than a story. I hear women being called creepy all the time. I do admit it's for different reasons though. Men, aside from doing actual creepy things, are called creepy for normal stuff: liking children and being a good dad, wanting to do jobs like teach, basically for displaying feminine qualities. Women are called creepy only for actual creepy things, like displaying submissive and defe…
/r/MensRights16/05/17 04:15 PM
2

You certainly implied it.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 07:14 AM
1

Why isn't their anecdotal evidence as valid as your also anecdotal evidence?
/r/MensRights16/05/17 05:55 AM
0

He's literally partially in her seat. So she moved to a seat that nobody was using part of, in addition to their own.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 05:52 AM
1

Did you get lost on your way to t_d or altright?
/r/MensRights16/05/17 05:48 AM
2

What do independent career men need women for? They don't. It's not about needing, it's about wanting. If you needed a spouse to survive, that would be kind of gross, right? It's the same for women. Not wanting to be a ridiculous overgrown child who sits home and doesn't do a day of work in her life doesn't mean wanting to be alone.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 05:44 AM
1

Double standards is comparing height to weight. Apples and oranges.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 05:40 AM
2

No one has a civic duty to be a certain weight.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 05:32 AM
2

I was going to say it's because the men's one has its first point about the woman's looks...but the women's one has the same thing. In that case it's not a sexism issue but rather just a ridiculous in general issue for putting "ew, he/she is ugly and I don't have the balls to leave" with "I feel genuinely unsafe." That and "she won't stop talking about herself" is not a safety issue. I can imagine that call to the cops. "Hello? Police? My date is a narcissistic bitch!" "Oh shit, sorry victims of…
/r/MensRights12/05/17 05:10 PM
10

I have weird thick hair so razors meant for women generally leave me razor burned and still stubbly.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/05/17 01:50 PM
2

Oh, when I say a child would be better not raised by someone who hates them, I was arguing for safe haven being appropriate in times you might think the home situation looks stable and appropriate from the outside. I meant that totally separate from abortion. I have a couple of issues with what you said. The first is that the person who got impregnated was an irresponsible person. I know using yourself for an example is a poor rhetorical strategy, but I'm going to do it anyway. My husband and I …
/r/MensRights06/05/17 07:43 PM
2

I think killing fetuses is morally neutral. You call that murder. So in your mind, I suppose I'd be pro murder. Do you think raising an unwanted child is stable? I'm married, I live in a three bedroom home in a safe neighborhood with good schools and lots of family nearby. By all outside appearances my home life is stable for children. But here's the thing...I hate children. Would it be good for a child to be raised by a mother who hates him or her? I certainly don't think so. My point being you…
/r/MensRights06/05/17 06:56 PM
0

Wait, before we continue: can you confirm whether you're for or against safe haven laws? It sounds like you're against them...but I don't want to misrepresent you.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 06:36 PM
1

An argument from authority? My argument was explaining that if you refused to remove your body from my body, that is a crime. Yes, that depends on the law of the land. But are you going to tell me that if a country decided to make rape legal, it would be okay because there's no law protecting the integrity of the victim's body? You're using law when it's convenient and ethics when it's not.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 06:20 PM
1

If you put your penis in my vagina, I can demand that you take it out at any time. If you refuse, you're committing a crime against my body. If I steal your diamond ring, I've committed a crime. Consensual sex isn't a crime, so your analogy is off from the start. And no, once a child is born it can be surrendered to the state in all fifty states. A parent is never required to keep an unwanted child. Ever.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:44 PM
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So I should be forced by law to carry a pregnancy to term if my two forms of birth control fail? What do you think responsibility IS, if it's not using two forms of birth control every time?
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:42 PM
1

It's not her body, but it's IN her body. That means it's up to her whether it stays there. And your ad hominem fallacy doesn't change that.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 02:50 PM
0

And a woman's body does not belong to a fetus. Nothing can leech off your internal organs without your consent.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 02:39 PM
1

It's just so useless. I feel like I could've learned something real and useful, but I learned 50 different recipes for open faced sandwiches. Seriously. I just can't imagine anyone being interested in such tripe! Honestly even though I'm ideologically opposed to it since they get govt funds, I'd rather see continued gender segregation than see Boy Scouts devolve into the same utter rubbish.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 06:50 AM
3

Oh I know, I was just throwing shade at OP's utter absurdity. Honestly I'd keep fighting for what's right anyway, even if that somehow became the prevailing sentiment.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 06:47 AM
1

I know the US boy scouts discriminate against gay people and atheists, which is a problem because of the federal money thing. Honestly I don't care if they keep them gender segregated, I just wish they'd both teach actual survival skills and other useful things like Boy Scouts do. When I was in Girl Scouts all I learned was useless housewife nonsense so I wasn't too happy with it.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 06:36 AM
1

I think you have the wrong idea of me. I don't dislike men or think men oppress women. I think large governments oppress both sexes. I'm literally a MRA for men not to have their lives destroyed by children they don't want.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:49 AM
-9

He's absolutely wrong saying it's murder or saying it's his. He's absolutely right saying he shouldn't be on the hook for it. So he's right about some things and wrong about others.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:35 AM
1

Agreed. But like a guy on this thread pointed out previously, the Girl Guides don't accept federal money while the Boy Scouts do. I'm not sure how that applies to the US though.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:18 AM
2

Oh, no, surely it's her fault that people mistreat her. 🙄
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:17 AM
1

Have you heard of a little thing called SATIRE? Because the only people in power talking about women's issues right now are men. That's what this is satirizing.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:16 AM
1

Men invented birth control and abortion so....what? They should be allowed to use it against us? Sorry, but they don't have power over it (or us). What is invented can't be un-invented.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:15 AM
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You shouldn't. Fatherhood should be something you opt into with a simple form like adoption a cat. It's not yours until that moment, and that moment can only arrive after birth. It's never "yours" while it's in her body.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:10 AM
3

Alright, I guess you don't want me fighting against male genital mutilation since I don't have the parts to qualify. Good to know?
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:01 AM
-29

Um, it's not murder, and it's not "yours."
/r/MensRights06/05/17 03:59 AM
19

Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood. Any place that equates the two is committing a grave injustice towards its citizens.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 03:59 AM
4

We can have boys only clubs. Then you can't get ANY government benefits. You can have subsidies or discrimination. Take your pick, because having both isn't gonna happen.
/r/MensRights04/05/17 09:55 PM
1

Um, why?
/r/MensRights04/05/17 04:30 AM
1

I think we've debated once before, come to think of it. We aren't going to agree, nothing wrong with that.
/r/MensRights28/04/17 05:36 PM
0

Human individuals are people. You aren't an individual if you're leeching off someone else's body. You have the right to remove it from your body in the most risk free way, even if it dies as a result.
/r/MensRights28/04/17 02:39 PM
0

"Someone" only applies to people, so no, something. You're never obligated to risk your life for any nonsentient thing, ever.
/r/MensRights28/04/17 02:42 AM
1

Whoosh!
/r/MensRights26/04/17 03:37 PM
2

Something else. And it does if removing it is riskier than killing it.
/r/MensRights26/04/17 03:34 PM
2

Many people think it's wonderful, but many others think it's horrible. Why take the risk to your health if you don't have to? Why take the time away from your job and life to heal if you don't have to? Unless you want to, of course, but nobody's trying to take that option away from anybody.
/r/MensRights26/04/17 03:33 PM
0

"Emasculation" is not a thing unless you accept that traditional gender roles are good. There is emotional abuse and bullying, but it has nothing to do with emasculation.
/r/MensRights26/04/17 03:25 PM
1

What kind of tiny toilet do you have? I weigh double that and I could still easily fall in if I wasn't looking
/r/MensRights26/04/17 03:21 PM
0

At least apples and oranges are both fruit. This is like comparing dead tree branches and cats.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/04/17 01:32 PM
2

Garbage men and pick up artists should switch titles.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 04:50 PM
1

It's horrible that she was abusive, but why would he want docility and deference?
/r/MensRights18/04/17 04:26 PM
3

Women who don't want to be ridiculous dependent children, you mean.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 04:23 PM
2

That's because it's not a profession. It's retirement.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 04:20 PM
4

Why should it be you who's the leader? Please don't bring up religion; I want a reason that will be convincing to an agnostic or atheist.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 04:18 PM
1

It happened to me on New Year's Eve.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 03:53 PM
2

She needs to learn that she's worth something and you're not an authority over her.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 03:52 PM
4

I want to see tiny finches and canaries in tiny business suits holding court.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 03:51 PM
2

No self respecting woman submits.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 03:38 PM
8

It's like a 3% difference. Hardly statistically significant.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 03:35 PM
4

Wtf is bird law?
/r/MensRights18/04/17 03:34 PM
6

Between 61% and 93% Nice margin of error there.
/r/MensRights18/04/17 03:33 PM
1

He doesn't have a pussy, so no. We both enjoy sex though so it's not like I withhold it when I'm angry. I don't supplicate to anyone. I don't know what you mean by "manage his feelings," please give an example and I'll tell you if I do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 04:48 PM
1

He doesn't make demands, nor do I. If either of us started that shit, the other would nope the fuck out. He can't be submissive and hates the idea as well. Why is it any different when it's me?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 04:31 PM
2

Nobody runs it. I don't submit to anyone, and I don't want any kids...including grown-up ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 04:15 PM
2

Very rarely anymore. We did a lot at the beginning of our relationship but as we each learned how the other person communicates and handles conflict, the fighting all but came to an end. I'd say we get into a serious disagreement once a year, if even that often, and it hardly ever turns angry. Usually those come with times of stress like family tragedy, job loss/change, or moving.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 02:51 PM
1

Well, I've already said, I don't cheat. I've been cheated on, it sucks. I'm not going to do that to somebody. And before you ask what counts as "cheating," I'd say any amount of physical intimacy that would be inappropriate to share with your opposite-sex parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 03:25 AM
1

Yeah, he was hot when he was younger. He looks like a hobo now, which shows that even the most supernatural beauty, as you call it, is a terrible thing to base a relationship on. And that WWE guy doesn't intimidate me either. Again, I wouldn't want a fist fight with him, he'd knock me flat. But I would never in a million years kowtow to him because he could.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 03:19 AM
1

Not at all. I mean, I obviously wouldn't want a fist fight with him, but he would never in a million years intimidate me. And he needs to wash.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 03:14 AM
1

Haha I wouldn't give a guy who thinks he's "formidable" two seconds of my time. And I certainly don't think of any men as formidable. But I enjoy being the most powerful person in the room, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 03:06 AM
1

Not necessarily. I'm not the least bit submissive (the idea disgusts me, tbh) but neither is he. We make our own decisions about ourselves, we both make decisions that effect us both.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 03:02 AM
1

Well, I was young and a virgin when we first got together and I'm not somebody who cheats, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 02:48 AM
2

My hair is pink and purple right now. It's been blue. It's been green. It's been fire-engine red. It changes weekly. I've fucked one dude and went on to marry him. If you can use meaningless anecdotal evidence, so can I.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 02:26 AM
3

I don't mind a short or fat guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 02:15 AM
1

Even if they don't have them now, they probably realize that they most likely will in the future and don't want to pay a person they don't want anything to do with anymore to sit on their ass all day because they used to be married.
/r/RedPillWomen04/04/17 05:54 PM
2

They won't have to pay adult child support alimony though, and I think that's a much bigger part of what they want to avoid.
/r/RedPillWomen04/04/17 05:17 PM
2

I think the southern states are primarily ranked poorly because of the abysmal state of reproductive rights, not the imaginary wage gap.
/r/MensRights02/04/17 03:44 AM
1

Okay, and I prefer not to use the pull out method so we use condoms. It's not confusing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 08:03 PM
1

He's not. That's literally the point of the condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 07:28 PM
1

In that case I still feel justified considering my comfort is worth far more than $51/year.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 09:28 PM
1

Who said anything about deadly? I said risks to my health, not to my life. Almost every pregnancy impacts your health for the worse. Not to mention the discomfort of it all, which is absolutely not worth it to me. Anyway, yes, let's do some math. For my calculations I'm going to be figuring them using this box of condoms available on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Trojan-Super-Pleasure-Lubricated-Condoms/dp/B01M9C1F52/ref=sr_1_6_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1490819256&sr=1-6&keywords=t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 08:40 PM
1

There's nothing someone's partner even could do to have legitimate authority over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 07:09 PM
1

True. Sperm banks will always be a thing though. We don't need a man to "allow" us to have children. Honestly I don't even know why men donate to those considering sperm donors have been on the hook before. Even once male birth control becomes a thing we still need to change the laws about which men are on the hook. For example, if a woman uses a sperm bank, should that man be on the hook? I don't think so. If a man's birth control fails and the woman refuses to get an abortion, should the man s…
/r/MensRights29/03/17 06:34 PM
1

Because we're talking about someone's partner. What would that person have done to gain legitimate authority?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 06:29 PM
1

That way of thinking is harmful to men who want children and women who don't. I agree both parties should consent,but it's still an equal decision. A "final" decision would be his overriding her decision NOT to have a child because he wants one and let's face it, women would never allow that.
/r/MensRights29/03/17 04:00 PM
2

A tiny minority? A special snowflake? Um, no. A full 20% of my generation has expressed opposition to having children. It's not a majority, to be sure. But it's far from a tiny minority. Giving it up for adoption isn't an alternative to the health risks of pregnancy, which I will never be willing to take. Luckily I live in a state on the northern border of the US, so an abortion in Canada is always an option. But why would I shell out several hundred dollars for travel and another several hundre…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 03:57 PM
3

That's not edgy. That's the truth. I honestly can not imagine a worse fate - including death - than being saddled with a baby. You may not like that I feel that way, but I do. And maybe I'm welcome not to have kids. What happens if the next to nil chance happens with my IUD and condoms and republicans get their way about abortion? That's not edge lord shit, that's legitimately life ruining.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 03:34 AM
1

The problem is that the authority isn't legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 03:32 AM
2

Someone who tries to exert power over me and have more influence than I have over the direction of the relationship and decisions that effect both of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:55 AM
4

Submission literally is putting yourself under the made-up authority of someone else...which is lessening yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:54 AM
2

But you just argued for equality. Wouldn't you next a guy who don't want to be equal if you want equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:53 AM
2

You're equating "desire" with "mindlessly obey." Most people want their partner to desire them, or if they don't have a partner, people of their preferred sex so they can get a partner who desires them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:22 AM
4

Then we agree. Why are you arguing so much with someone you agree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:21 AM
3

He does better himself. Constantly. So do I.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:59 AM
4

I don't. But I also won't tolerate him dominating me. Why do you think that's okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:58 AM
2

What leads a man to want to dominate women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:47 AM
3

Nope. Somebody who knows her own value and won't lessen myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:45 AM
1

It would make men equal decision makers, not final decision makers. Women still have to agree to become and remain pregnant.
/r/MensRights29/03/17 12:38 AM
2

Okay so, are we trying to change your actual view or the exaggerated view you presented for us and asked us to change?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:34 AM
5

Naturally I meant before then. And if my husband started trying to dominate me, it would be over. That's an absolute deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:33 AM
3

I hate children. In a world where abortion rights are being attacked constantly, I don't see it as irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:32 AM
8

Why does refusing to be dominated somehow equal dominating others? If somebody is going to be dominant, it will be me. But there's also this thing called equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:31 AM
5

Nope. I love being a woman. I don't equate being a woman with being submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:30 AM
3

I'm married to the man I've been with since I was 19. Our relationship is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:30 AM
5

When you say girls will ONLY date xyz, the word ONLY does in fact imply all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:29 AM
4

No shame for what you like! But he's saying we ALL want he same thing and the he found people who want different things within minutes of posting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 11:03 PM
6

And I'm just the opposite. If some man ever tried to be more dominant than me, that is a HARD next.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 10:46 PM
2

I'm not sure what they have to gain from that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 10:25 PM
2

That could be a part of it. I've noticed that men who aren't actually in authority positions (police, building security, etc.) have literally zero power outside what others allow them to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 10:18 PM
2

Okay, but dating the wrong woman has the same power to do that to a man. That's not gender, that's the nature of intimate relationships. I could destroy all my female friend's lives. They could destroy mine. Because we've known each other long enough that we know all each other's secrets and things they don't tell everyone. It's even more so the case when you live with someone. I could literally kill my husband in my sleep, and he could do the same to me. Part of the risk of letting people close…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 06:35 PM
2

Quite possibly. I've always thought the "men's power over women" thing was grossly exaggerated, and I also hate not being the most powerful person in the room. So maybe I'm helping prove the rule by doing the opposite and therefore seeing the opposite in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 06:33 PM
2

We were each other's first sexual partners, so the odds of him being an "STD farm" are remarkably low. But there are only three conditions under which I'd ever have condomless sex with a man: either he has a vasectomy and proves it, I finally get a doctor to sterilize me and insurance to cover it, or after I go through menopause. Those aren't looking likely tbh. He doesn't want a vasectomy, my insurance is all but useless, 25 with an average age of menopause in my family being 54.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 06:05 PM
2

Same. I have an IUD and I still insist on condoms. I don't want to shell out thousands of dollars to avoid ruining my life instead of $10 for a box of rubbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 03:17 AM
1

An attractive female. I like being a woman. I'd rather be a wealthy female but that doesn't seem to be an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 03:14 AM
2

No, and it wouldn't have occurred to me that any woman did before this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:11 AM
2

Who the hell would concern herself with these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 12:22 AM
3

But I thought that was a bad analogy before? Why is it okay now?
/r/MensRights26/03/17 04:27 PM
–

"The hamster" Fuck back off to the red pill losers.
/r/askTRP22/03/17 04:55 AM
1

So apparently even when she's actually doing something with her life she's still a useless housewife.
/r/MensRights20/03/17 02:58 AM
3

This bot is a twat.
/r/MensRights20/03/17 02:48 AM
3

That and if idiotic Catholics would stop going to developing countries and teach that condoms are evil and the only good sex is sex that can ruin your life.
/r/MensRights20/03/17 02:47 AM
1

Much less than your opinion means to your daughter wife, I guess 😂
/r/MensRights18/03/17 03:17 AM
1

If it's a private business he's SOL.
/r/MensRights17/03/17 06:41 PM
1

Your wife is pretty pathetic tbh. She might not be helpless, but she's absolutely submissive. Enjoy life with your womanchild.
/r/MensRights17/03/17 06:38 PM
1

Is she refusing to pay child support?
/r/MensRights17/03/17 06:36 PM
1

Pro-lifers don't try to stop abortion in whatever way they can. They try to stop safe, legal abortion in whatever way they can. All the while, most of them push for things like abstinence only sex education and breeder indoctrination camps crisis pregnancy centers that advocate against birth control. That will have no impact on the abortion rate. Only the rate of women who die from it.
/r/MensRights17/03/17 05:20 PM
1

Not necessarily. I can't stand to watch dentistry or surgical procedures. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with those things, it just means blood squicks me out.
/r/MensRights17/03/17 05:14 PM
2

You haven't caused me any damages or losses. I just think you're creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:04 PM
1

And a good woman will improve him and make him better through leading and moulding him. Most people on here won't like that message as much though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:03 PM
1

To answer that, a thought experiment for you: do you think him giving into her would be a positive thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 03:36 PM
1

Well that's not creepy at all...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:38 AM
3

give into him better That is not a positive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:30 AM
1

You're correct in assuming I'm a woman. I'm not exactly easily offended, but I have to admit "I'm sure you think you are a strong person" rubbed me the wrong way, because of the "think" part. Maybe I'm just interpreting it differently than what you intended. Anyway, no, I don't want a weak man. But that's not a gender thing for me. I don't want weak friends either. I can't respect weakness in either gender. I grew up with a very weak mother and have no respect for her, I think that's probably wh…
/r/MensRights28/02/17 08:35 PM
1

Equality doesn't have to mean sameness, I understand that. But I honestly think we're painting people with too broad of a brush here. I'll use myself as an example, I am not a submissive person. I never have been, I never will be. Trying to act like one is a recipe for misery and resentment, don't you think? So what do you think I'm better off doing: trying to make myself into something weaker and worse than myself, or finding someone who complements what I already am?
/r/MensRights28/02/17 07:44 PM
1

So she should be a ridiculous child so he can be a screeching controlling dominating harpy? Why should he be the dominant one? I guess egalitarianism is a difficult concept for some people. 🙄
/r/MensRights28/02/17 06:44 PM
1

I don't think being submissive children is"better."
/r/MensRights28/02/17 04:25 PM
-5

So....you didn't want people to see you like an exaggerated caricature of a redpiller, so yoj act like an exaggerated caricature of a redpiller. Yeah, okay. If this happened, it's absolutely discrimination. But it didn't happen, so..
/r/MensRights27/02/17 10:58 PM
1

Oh, I'm not talking about sexually. I completely believe you about that. I don't quite see what any of that has to do with stay at home motherhood...are you implying that women in those situations are submissive? That's...an odd way to view the world, if you are. I'm almost certain I misunderstood, so I hope you tell me where my reasoning wrong. I guess I should've said I hate the expectation of traditionalism. I can't say I have a lot of respect for people who make traditional choices, but I do…
/r/MensRights27/02/17 10:57 PM
1

I'm not triggered, I just have a great amount of disdain for traditionalism. Especially when it calls for women to be submissive.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 10:35 PM
-10

I might've believed you if you didn't call her a "feeeeeemale" in your title like some red pill idiot.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 10:13 PM
-10

r/ThatHappened
/r/MensRights27/02/17 09:58 PM
1

So maybe be yourself instead of acting and you'll find someone who wants that?
/r/MensRights27/02/17 09:56 PM
1

In which case it still has nothing to do with men and their rights. It's a woman writing to other women about how we can be more pathetic and ridiculous.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 09:56 PM
5

What utter tripe. This is about becoming submissive, not feminine. And it has nothing to do with this sub.
/r/MensRights26/02/17 01:44 AM
26

The 14 year old IS a child. That judge needs to be impeached.
/r/MensRights23/02/17 10:25 PM
2

He should be criticized. I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with MR considering no one has the right to have half of the world be docile and worthless so the other half can feel stronger.
/r/MensRights23/02/17 10:24 PM
5

I see a bunch of weird traditionalism and maybe a small paragraph about actual men's rights in this. Not surprising knowing it came from ROK.
/r/MensRights23/02/17 10:16 PM
5

Join the club? I actually am a feminist, albeit a moderate one, and they banned me. That sub bans anybody who isn't a sexist bigot.
/r/AntiFeminists21/02/17 05:29 AM
1

Which part of it?
/r/MensRights20/02/17 04:14 AM
1

They do cover the same types of things, but one is covered by the government and the other isn't. To have the same regulations, the government would need to get involved with car insurance. Democrats (and let's face it, impoverished republicans too) do act like the ACA is their godsend, but it's not democrats or poor people who are in charge right now.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 07:02 PM
1

If we're going to have government healthcare, it needs to cover all of those things.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 06:51 PM
-3

Okay, but health insurance and car insurance are separate industries. Unless you want the government to take control of car insurance too and wreck that as well.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 06:40 PM
-6

And one of the effects of the "affordable" care act has been to increase premiums for everyone. That's why the ACA is wrong, not why your car insurance company should model themselves in the same way.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 06:32 PM
7

I used the word the image used.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 06:30 PM
2

Add a third, write-in option and I'll fill it out. Both of your two options are incorrect.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 06:05 PM
35

How about the fact that because she's a woman, she has to pay more than you for health insurance? Men cost car insurance companies more. Women cost health insurance companies more. That's business.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 06:01 PM
2

Why are you against safe haven laws? That's pretty much the sole reason there are fewer dumpster babies now.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 06:00 PM
23

Exactly. A woman's health is literally always threatened.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 05:59 PM
1

and the way you (specifically you, not men in general) act makes people so willing to sympathize with you and your cause
/r/MensRights15/02/17 05:06 PM
3

News flash: she can anyway. It's her body.
/r/MensRights15/02/17 05:02 PM
3

That's not true. More than half did.
/r/MensRights15/02/17 05:01 PM
2

Why on earth would you think I'm fine with closing factories and turning the workers out on their asses?
/r/MensRights14/02/17 04:10 PM
3

There should be age limits. No way can someone past their 50s be expected to start from scratch. But you see healthy young people getting it.
/r/MensRights14/02/17 05:56 AM
3

They're jobs...but hardly careers.
/r/MensRights14/02/17 05:52 AM
16

Lost a surgeon means more people are at risk of death. So does a surgeon retiring. Is that horrible as well?
/r/MensRights13/02/17 05:14 PM
1

You guys act more and more like the Red Pill idiots every day.
/r/MensRights11/02/17 02:50 PM
1

Where are you from?
/r/MensRights11/02/17 02:16 AM
15

Haven't we all? Seriously, there's dozens of us here with the exact same story. I also got banned from /r/AskFeminists because I (a self-identified feminist and men's rights activist) said lifetime alimony for young, able-bodied women was bs and that it should be gender equal. They banned me saying answers "have to come from a feminist perspective." Shame on me for thinking a young, perfectly able woman can fend for herself. How anti-feminist of me. 🙄
/r/MensRights10/02/17 08:47 PM
1

I'm his wife, not his property. And my name will reflect that. Why should I take his name to prove I'm his wife and not pussy footing around? Why shouldn't he take my name to prove he's my husband?
/r/MensRights10/02/17 08:45 PM
2

And if they're given the same opportunity (which they should be) and make the cut, so what? The problem comes in when they're given better opportunities and make the cut because of that. Wanting to do something real with your life instead of head maid and brood mare doesn't mean you're "acting like a man."
/r/MensRights09/02/17 10:16 PM
5

It's called "picking your battles," and people do it all the time. Either that or they turn into the MRA version of Big Red.
/r/MensRights09/02/17 10:07 PM
9

Oh come on. This is annoying, but it's hardly "evil." If he gets a reputation of nitpicking everything slightly annoying, he won't be taken seriously when it's something real like male rape victims or family courts.
/r/MensRights09/02/17 08:50 PM
2

What do you mean by "act like men?" What, in your mind, does a man act like?
/r/MensRights09/02/17 08:47 PM
4

It depends on whether you're talking about equality of opportunity or equality of outcome. Equality of opportunity is a pretty essential thing for a civilized society; equality of outcome is discrimination.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 09:15 PM
8

Because gender dysphoria exists and doesn't discriminate based on biological sex.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 09:12 PM
3

In that case, that makes sense and I'm a moron.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 01:06 AM
9

A 200 square foot 'house' is too ridiculously small to even reasonably be called a studio apartment. It's a closet.
/r/MensRights07/02/17 10:57 PM
12

Downvotes because strawman stupidity
/r/MensRights06/02/17 03:22 PM
5

So learn to clean your pecker. I don't have one so I can't be sure, but it can't exactly be difficult, can it?
/r/MensRights06/02/17 03:22 PM
5

Mostly to keep the rights we have intact. Mainly the right to own our bodies.
/r/MensRights02/02/17 06:17 AM
5

That doesn't surprise me. Conservatives are more likely than Liberals to hold traditionalist opinions, and typically such opinions want to hold both sexes to traditional expectations. So they'd be more likely to be against the idea of men's rights just like they're more likely to be against women's rights.
/r/MensRights02/02/17 06:15 AM
1

The kids having Dad's last name is hardly a given anymore.
/r/MensRights31/01/17 06:14 AM
1

Except that the abortion rate is at an all time low.
/r/MensRights28/01/17 12:30 PM
8

And we all know that female on male rape is taken so seriously by society and even in court.
/r/MensRights28/01/17 12:25 PM
1

Except that there is no long term birth control for men. I mean, I guess you could make him buy in IUD or something...but it's not like he can use it.
/r/MensRights28/01/17 12:23 PM
4

Access to abortion doesn't equate to willingness to have one. There could be a clinic on every street corner but if she's determined to keep the thing, a guy is so screwed until something changes.
/r/MensRights28/01/17 12:20 PM
2

Yeah, and it's not like women are 47% of the U.S. labor force or anything.
/r/MensRights28/01/17 01:50 AM
1

That's true. It was an interesting philosophical discussion to have though, even if it ended up being a pointless one. It gets even darker than that though, a contract like that would require spousal consent for something like tubal ligation or vasectomy. Maybe it would even require it for anything that destroys fertility as a by-product. It gets creepy fast.
/r/MensRights26/01/17 03:57 PM
1

It sucks. All I can suggest is to really know your partner beforehand. I couldn't lie about the subject to who knows me even a little bit. I'm far more expressive than a lot of people, I think, but you can probably still tell if you know her well enough. How does she act around kids? How does she talk about them? Did she ever babysit as a teenager? Only a psychopath of either sex could manage a lie that big long term. P I think finding out your spouse is lying about any deal-breaker should be gr…
/r/MensRights26/01/17 03:53 PM
2

I know, right? And it's not like marriage has any other benefits! All it does is make a woman's clown-car womb legit. /s
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 03:49 PM
1

I agree completely. Verbal contracts can be sketchy though..
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 05:23 AM
1

Hospital visitation. Tax benefits. Power of attorney. The list goes on and on. If a man wants a child, he shouldn't marry someone who refuses to have them. I don't think any but a small minority are stupid enough to marry without having that discussion. But no, I guess my husband should just divorce me for refusing to ruin my life with a baby.
/r/MensRights26/01/17 05:17 AM
2

I worded that badly, sorry. I meant, it's taking responsibility for the action and for the consequence of that action.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 04:08 AM
1

I can see that. On the other hand, going from dating to marriage means that everything you do now effects another person so you always have to take your spouse into consideration. But even in a "yes kids marriage" there's still nobody else to take into consideration aside from the couple because the hypothetical kids don't exist. There can be no commitment to something that doesn't even exist. So I guess after talking in circles for literally hours, I still come up on the idea of absolute bodily…
/r/MensRights26/01/17 04:03 AM
2

Telling people "don't have sex then" is silly as a solution because you know nobody's going to do that. And like I said elsewhere on this thread, are you going to tell married people not to have sex until the wife is through menopause? That seems even sillier to me. I guess I don't assign any moral value to a fetus, and it seems like you do. I think that's just an agree to disagree thing. I just don't see how you despise babies and think having one won't ruin your life. Those seem kind of mutual…
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 03:59 AM
1

Oh, I see. That's not complicated at all. Why would it be harder to go in one direction than in another direction? And do both parties have to agree to move either right or left?
/r/MensRights26/01/17 03:54 AM
1

I'm all in favor of that! Sorry if it sounded like I wasn't.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 03:53 AM
2

How is it not?
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 03:40 AM
2

Usually people who say "take responsibility for the risk of pregnancy" mean "be willing to ruin your body and life with pregnancy and a baby." Sorry if I was wrong.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 03:22 AM
1

How does that work if someone changes their mind? For example, like I said before, I went into my marriage having informed my husband that I'll never carry a pregnancy to term, give birth, or raise a child. He agreed, although he would prefer that I change my mind. He wants to be a dad, but he wanted to be married to me more. What would happen with the contract if one of us did in fact change their mind? Would we still be held to the no-reproduction contract? This is weirdly complicated.
/r/MensRights26/01/17 03:22 AM
5

Terminating a pregnancy is being responsible for the risk. Just not in the way you'd like.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 03:18 AM
1

Not really, the problem is with being willing to reject sex with them if they aren't using them. I know that's easy enough to for me to advise, I'm a married woman who can have sex just about any time I want. But it's really important if you don't want your life wrecked.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 03:07 AM
0

Maybe, but with abortion becoming increasingly difficult to access, I'd rather be too safe than have my body and life irreparably destroyed.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 02:36 AM
4

I'm glad you're living in his head. Are you psychic about anything else? Next week's lottery numbers, perhaps?
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 01:08 AM
8

That's not a strawman. That's Pat Robertson.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 12:57 AM
1

I don't agree with redefining marriage to have anything to do with reproduction. I'm not against a contract stating whether the intent to reproduce is there or not.
/r/MensRights26/01/17 12:51 AM
2

So should it be part of a premarital contract then? I'm married, but there'll never be any "acceptance of children." On the other hand, I told my husband that I'd never have a child or carry a pregnancy to term long before we were even engaged, so if it was part of a written contract that would be fine.
/r/MensRights26/01/17 12:35 AM
6

Marriage is not consent to have children.
/r/MensRights26/01/17 12:15 AM
17

lmao what?
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 12:11 AM
13

Okay, but we're not having children. Ever. So that whole "for reproduction purposes" thing isn't relevant to my life.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 12:07 AM
12

So I guess my husband and I shouldn't have sex until I go through menopause then.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 12:03 AM
0

He found out after it happened both times. So she did only fool him once, at least from his perspective. It's not like he found out and then trusted her again.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 12:02 AM
26

Anyone who doesn't want a child should use birth control. That would mean ideally each person would be using their own method. Even if one person messes up, there's a backup.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/01/17 12:00 AM
62

So women who just give in while their rights are being threatened?
/r/PussyPassDenied22/01/17 06:10 PM
1

Well which is it, is it becoming more widespread or mostly associated with the matrix? I agree that we can get past it, I just think it's going to be a significant hurdle. Even I was skeptical about it because she called it that, I thought it was going to be made up "rights" issues like the stuff PUA's whine about rather than legitimate rights. And I was wrong, but I was at least willing to give it a chance long enough to find out I was wrong. I'm not sure if others will.
/r/MensRights19/01/17 02:01 AM
1

There's also no way anyone sees this as a rights issue.
/r/MensRights18/01/17 11:18 PM
7

I think the reason it's incorrectly assumed to be some horrible thing is because she called it The Red Pill. People automatically associate it with horrible groups like the red pill subreddit and PUA culture in general. I think Jaye did the film a bit of a disservice by giving it that name.
/r/MensRights18/01/17 11:07 PM
2

Because that's literally the entire point of Newspeak. It's from a book, 1984, which you obviously haven't read. This explains it better than I can, if you're interested in it. I highly recommend the book, especially in today's political climate.
/r/MensRights13/01/17 10:05 PM
2

I mean, that's what I'd do if my husband introduced me that way. I'd also expect him to do the same if I introduced him to my friends as "hubby" though.
/r/MensRights13/01/17 09:48 PM
3

How about starting with a real issue? The draft? Custody? Lack of male contraception? Orrrr....we could just go with the easiest non-issue and tackle it so we feel like we've accomplished something.
/r/MensRights13/01/17 09:46 PM
2

Blind acceptance, like knowing in your gut something is right.
/r/MensRights13/01/17 09:44 PM
-2

But no one says "the little hubby." Ever. That's kind of the point.
/r/MensRights13/01/17 09:32 PM
1

I don't disagree with that. Yes, I'm a feminist, but I also understand biology. What I do disagree with is that women are such wimps that they'd be taken out of action due to bruising. I also disagree that employers value the labor of a man more than a woman. I would amend that to say that employers value the labor of non-parents (especially non-mothers) than the value of parents/mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 09:01 PM
1

I'm fine....why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:43 AM
2

I know, right? If I ever need to start a fire or tie a knot, I'm screwed. But damn if I didn't learn the most useless shit ever like flower arranging and making sandwiches from all over the world. Ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:41 AM
1

How the hell does bruising easier mean less options?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:16 AM
2

Girl Scouts was the worst. We didn't learn anything aside from useless housewife skills. Nothing that would help with a life that extends beyond the driveway, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:14 AM
1

Do you live in some alternate universe where women don't support their kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:10 AM
1

slaughtering children Uh, words have meanings. Use the correct ones, not the most emotionally manipulative (but incorrect) ones. women are just being sexually irresponsible I agree with that statement for every woman who got pregnant by themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:09 AM
1

And how about contraception that doesn't fail 18% of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:07 AM
2

Is that uncommon?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 02:43 AM
1

can't remember, but they used to have a name for it. Fag hags and/or fruit flies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 02:41 AM
2

I don't agree. I think it's more about having something to prove that they'd never allow a man to dominate them, even when one isn't trying to.
/r/MensRights06/01/17 02:24 AM
2

I'm not sure about that. I feel like it's kind of important to tell a guy that kids will never happen with me before things get super serious in case that's a deal breaker. I'd appreciate the same courtesy from a man who does expect to have kids because that's a deal breaker for me. I'd rather not be too invested first.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 03:04 AM
1

So...someone told us the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 03:02 AM
1

This exactly. I knew I didn't want children before I even knew my husband existed. As much as I love being with him, I'd leave in a second if I only had a choice between that and having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 03:01 AM
1

That's a better idea. Prostate cancer is seriously underfunded and under researched. The only really bad taste ones I saw were the "why can't all men be like my dog" and "at least the dog likes whatever I cook" tbh. I thought the "I forgot to have children" one was funny, probably because I've been told I'll wake up one day and regret not having any which I think is bs. But a couple of those are really questionable.
/r/MensRights02/01/17 06:39 PM
3

What the hell are your sources for that?
/r/MensRights02/01/17 05:36 PM
1

Who exactly do you think is owed reparations for a product line with a few products that are in bad taste?
/r/MensRights02/01/17 05:32 PM
1

Why do I feel entitled to say whatever I want? Because that's one of the few things people literally are entitled to.
/r/MensRights01/01/17 07:10 PM
6

You're planning to stay with your abuser because you don't want to deprive her of your income? I don't know if you recognize it for what it is, but this is abuse. I can't change your mind, but please consider both individual and, if you really do refuse to leave, couples counseling. And keep your condoms in a place where she can't tamper with them. Children won't help your situation at all.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:07 PM
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And you didn't? Of course you're well within your rights to date younger women which is all I suppose matters on a men's rights subreddit. But why are you entitled to a 20-something woman any more than a 30-something woman is entitled to you?
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:05 PM
1

Um, no. Women do not "need" to have children to be happy. You accuse them of hating women but then you tell them how to live their lives that runs directly opposed to what many of them want.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:03 PM
1

To be fair, I think it's shitty for a woman not to tell a man what she'll do if she gets pregnant unexpectedly. It's even shittier for her to pretend to have that talk but lie. I think that since she has absolute power over what happens, she also has absolute responsibility to keep something like what you mentioned from happening. Before I had sex with the guy who's now my husband for the first time I told him look, I will never carry a pregnancy to term. Ever. So if you're not okay with that, I…
/r/MensRights31/12/16 03:33 PM
1

That's not power over a man though. That's power over a fetus that exists in her body and needs her permission to be there.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:24 AM
1

And so should the fact that the fetus is in the woman's body and not in some tank somewhere. There's no way to give a man power over that without also giving him power over a woman.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:13 AM
1

The fact that men don't control what women do with their bodies should be self-evident.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:08 AM
1

Can someone explain to me what this has to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights29/12/16 02:43 AM
1

Depends on the woman tbh. I'm pretty feminine I think, but I'm not sure I have a sweet side, and I know for a fact I don't have a soft side. So I don't think even the most manly man can bring out what isn't there at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:30 PM
1

Exactly. I'd go so far as to say an "alpha man" probably couldn't have a happy relationship with an "alpha woman" because everything would just be a battle. But just for casual sex, hey why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:25 PM
1

I tend to think of it as more dominant vs passive personality traits, which are (obviously) real. It's when people assume that someone will be all the things people sometimes use to mean "alpha" that it gets weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:45 PM
2

I think you'll see that a lot more with Reddit RP men than with real life men. My husband isn't anything like that. I set the boundaries for my body and comminucate them clearly, he respects them. I don't think most hetero men are like what Reddit has to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:24 PM
1

That doesn't change the fact that teasing is annoying as fuck. I am not a patient person. I do not have the patience for teasing, especially from someone I just met.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 03:14 AM
1

Then, once he has tame sex with her, I mean, he doesn't EVEN slap her ass, pull her hair or fuck her mouth forcefully and call her a slut... And if he did this, she should punch him. That is assault unless she agreed to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 02:50 AM
5

It isn't good unless it's inherently unpleasant for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 02:47 AM
1

Fair enough. I can't think of any amount of money that would be worth stress and sacrifice, but I'm glad it's working well for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:44 PM
1

What made you choose that job?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:41 PM
1

Or I could just not break the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:29 PM
1

You have some fair points. How high stress is it really? I always thought that was over dramatized.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:29 PM
1

Definitely not. I just don't know why a lawyer's services would cost hundreds of dollars per hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:42 PM
1

Yeah, that makes sense to me. Better than something like a divorce lawyer where both sides line their pocket no matter what
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:30 PM
1

That makes me feel better actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:15 PM
1

California was where she lived and I'm not sure what the laws were like in 1999. What happened was that he had surgery and the doctors didn't prescribe blood thinners afterwards so he got a blood clot and died. That's clearly their fault, but I'm not sure how it would have gone with better representation. I don't think lawyers particularly care about who wins, they all get fat either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 09:58 PM
1

You believe a relationship, of any sort, can exist without power? That both people can have equal status? Yes. Both people need each other equally? Hopefully neither person needs the other at all. Wants, sure, but needs? That's dysfunctional as all hell. A lot of an alpha's power comes from his inherent freedom. By committing, that freedom is given up. Why is this gender specific? If a man commits, then he is submitting to the woman and give up his freedom, and in turn handing her power over him…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 09:56 PM
1

We don't have any power struggle because neither of us tries to have power over the other. The way I've seen an alpha described, he'd want to be the one with the power and I'd never allow that. I also don't "make him submit" to me. I hate submissive people. I would never be one or be in a relationship with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 09:03 PM
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Oh, I guess I'd never describe those people as housewives unless they describe themselves that way for some reason. For example, I earn money performing music locally. It's a fraction of what my husband earns. Even so, I'm a musician, not a housewife.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 09:01 PM
1

You act like an "alpha male" is every woman's goal. A so-called alpha male and I would be at each other's throats constantly and always in some power struggle or another. Some of us want to be with a beta, and actually, have to be for a relationship to work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:43 PM
1

Do you live in a super rich area or something? I'm trying to figure out where half of women are unemployed. It sure isn't anywhere I've been.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:36 PM
1

It would annoy me, not make me feel bad. And I don't presume, I know from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:28 PM
1

And everybody hates shitty or irreputable lawyers regardless. If you disagree, tell that to my mother, who could've successfully sued a doctor for medical malpractice after my father died but got the literal worst legal representation ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:28 PM
1

Oh, I don't think I made it clear. Where I've lived, people are all judged by the type of work they do, not just the men. It's primarily in the more ridiculous traditional areas that it's primarily men who are judged for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:26 PM
1

Maybe I am. I've always lived in very politically liberal areas of America - I grew up near LA, I moved to Washington, DC and later I lived in southern Maine and New Hampshire. So I think those attitudes are more driven by the ass-backwards "traditional" types and are starting to die out in some areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:16 PM
1

But it's not just knowing what the job entails. It's looking at the kind of clothes they wear, the kind of car they drive, the kind of place they live in...all that provides higher status than a job title.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:12 PM
1

Basically. Almost everybody has a story about a scumbag lawyer who either screwed over themselves or somebody they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:01 PM
1

I could agree with that, but it's only the richest ones who gain any status from it. A lawyer who makes 50k a year is going to be seen as lower status than a software engineer making 120k.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:01 PM
1

I'm an SF type and I would straight up walk out on a guy who "teased and insulted" me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:56 PM
1

I guess I just don't know how.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:53 PM
4

Do lawyers really get respect though? They're pretty much one of the most hated professions out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:45 PM
1

The obsession she still has with the other guy might very well do the relationship in. The rebound from abuse thing doesn't sound very promising either, but my husband was a rebound from an abusive relationship I was in and we've been together for 6 years. But if she can't or won't drop the obsession she has with an ex partner, I don't see a way for it to last.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:11 AM
1

In that case your idea that a dominant woman doesn't work out is incorrect, unless they're actually miserable or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 06:10 PM
1

So, if I said I had an equal relationship, you wouldn't believe me?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 06:03 PM
1

I get that it's a spectrum. I'm quite feminine though. Like almost overly so sometimes. I would just never submit to someone who is my equal in every sense of the word. That's some pathetic shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:54 PM
1

so...wait. Are you implying that my relationship won't work because I don't fill a role that I don't fit into at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:46 PM
1

But being a man or a woman doesn't mean you have those traits. Why should I act like something I'm not because of my genitals?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:39 PM
1

Which would be the basic premise behind "opposites attract," but why are you gendering it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:18 PM
1

No one is saying anodes or cathodes are dominant or submissive though. You are saying that about men and women. So your analogy doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 01:10 AM
1

Of course there's no problem for you if you're the one holding the power. It's a problem for the person who doesn't hold it. I don't see how you don't get that. I guess it's something you only understand if like me, you've been the person with less power in a relationship and vowed to yourself that after it ended you'd never allow that again. Also, "out of line"? Ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 04:30 AM
1

As long as you're both equally afraid of losing the other, I guess it isn't so bad. If you aren't, though, that creates a bit of an odd power dynamic. The person who cares less always has more power.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 01:55 AM
1

Empowered by weakness? Please explain this to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 01:54 AM
1

I'm not sure if fear is a healthy relationship dynamic...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 04:00 PM
1

So it's only women who should be disempowered?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 09:48 AM
1

Why would most men want a weak woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 09:07 AM
1

Do you think that's what makes women act that way as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 09:04 AM
1

with no actual authority in their lives You missed that part. The law is an authority. Your boyfriend isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 01:28 AM
1

They're both shitty people. Their bodies are average. This reporting is shit.
/r/MensRights20/12/16 06:55 PM
1

That's my deal breaker as well
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 02:55 PM
4

I don't think it's a gender thing, I think it's a how much effort you're willing to put in thing. My husband is an awesome gift giver. My mother is shit at it. Unsurprisingly, my husband is awesome and my mother is a narcissistic bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 02:53 PM
1

"Economic rights" is iffy because it is bullshit: if you want to get paid like a man then work like a man. . .pure and simple. Yes, and that's the case because of the Equal Pay Act of 1963. Which came about because of second wave feminism. "Reproductive rights" is bullshit because it totally shifted the balance. Until we have the "manpill" and "economic abortions" women hold all the cards. I support the man pill and "economic abortions" entirely. That said, women will still hold all the cards re…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:48 PM
0

Actually, I haven't hijacked feminism at all. I fight for gender equality. If a man described himself the same way Kaley did, I would treat him exactly the same way. So I might accurately be described as critical and judgemental, but my position on gender equality is quite consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:23 PM
1

Why is second wave iffy? They fought for economic and reproductive rights, that stuff is essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 06:00 AM
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I don't hate women. I hate pathetic nothing's who obey orders from those with no actual authority in their lives. I don't care if those people are men or women. Sexist would be giving her a pass on her pathetic behavior because she's a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:57 AM
1

It's basically a dictatorship with one mod who loves the ban button. A lot of people are coming forward and saying they've been banned for nothing. I mean literally nothing, as in sometimes they haven't even commented there but they have on other subreddits the one moderator doesn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:52 AM
1

If you have a wife or are a woman that enjoys life in a traditional gender role, you'll be attacked (Kaley Cuoco) She wasn't attacked for enjoying housework. She was attacked for describing herself as submissive. Don't get me wrong, she has every right to act like that. But I have every right to think it's pathetic. And look how well that ridiculous dynamic worked out for Kaley! Spoiler alert: it didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:49 AM
1

and stops doing what I tell her to do. I think you accidentally got a dog instead of a woman. Either that or I hope she finds her self worth soon, because that is nothing short of disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:43 AM
1

I was one of them. No answer when I asked why. I was just talking to a bunch of people yesterday ago had the same thing happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:41 AM
1

As an older millennial, I have only once seen what I would consider sexual harassment by a co worker (he grabbed her ass) That is not simple sexual harassment. That is assault, and it should've been treated as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:40 AM
1

He could very possibly appoint judges to the Supreme Court that would send women's reproductive rights back to the 60s.
/r/MensRights20/12/16 02:30 AM
1

How exactly does someone get the definition of marital rape wrong?
/r/MensRights19/12/16 06:52 PM
1

To be fair that place is really fucked up. It's not a good reason to ban you though.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 06:06 PM
2

I can agree with that. I've heard that as an argument against contraception, however. That's obviously not an option.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 04:24 AM
0

I have. About as much hostility as I've encountered from MRAs for supporting feminism.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 03:38 AM
-2

If they're not allowed to decide what they're used for because of the government.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 03:38 AM
1

I'm not going to continue a conversation with someone who thought it appropriate to speak to me that way. Have a nice life.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 03:02 AM
2

In that case, sorry for telling you to fuck off. I do agree that a lot of people here are angry, but anger is understandable when you're being denied rights you really should have.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 03:01 AM
2

Well then. Shame on me.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 03:00 AM
2

By their names? Or "this sub" and "that one"? Or basically anything that implies that the person you're talking to did something to deserve an unjustified ban.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 02:34 AM
1

Hah, that works!
/r/MensRights19/12/16 01:48 AM
2

My top posts? My community? I'm a feminist as well, and I posted in that sub quite regularly. So, kindly fuck off with your assumptions.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 01:44 AM
1

My point is, most things that make someone legitimately ugly have nothing to do with lifestyle. Even if they were, why is that seen as an accomplishment? Just because it's difficult? I'm sure it's difficult to memorize the names of every Pokemon ever created, for example, but the vast majority of people would never see that as an accomplishment. Why? Because it's useless to everyone. So is somebody's pretty face or hot body.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 01:06 AM
1

I see no problem with that. Feminazi is pretty misused though. I've been called feminazi for acknowledging I should, can, and will have equal decision making power in my own relationship. So it's way overused and misused.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:55 AM
0

I honestly don't. There are disgusting people on both sides (I'm looking at you, TERFs and PUAs), but that's no reason to throw the whole thing out.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:53 AM
2

In theory, yes. In practice, not really. I certainly believe in equality for everyone. But I really only dedicate my time to gender issues on both sides.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:52 AM
2

Nobody is beautiful because of their lifestyle. They might have a great body because of it, but there is absolutely no way that lifestyle will fix a shit ugly face.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:31 AM
1

Ah, that makes sense. Dictatorships tend to get like that.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:31 AM
1

I get that, but I don't think using an irrelevant description is going to get people to listen to you.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:30 AM
1

Intelligence is an accomplishment as well as being useful. You can be "born smart" all you want, but if you don't apply that intelligence, you'll still be ignorant and remembered for nothing. A beautiful person doesn't really have to do anything but just be, but their appearance is treated like an achievement even though it's not.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:26 AM
1

What should I be doing instead? And why do you think I'm incapable of both?
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:23 AM
1

Humanism has nothing to do with rights. Humanism is just prioritization of human beings over supernatural matters. People use it as an alternative to feminism and MRA...but that's not what it is. At all. Just a small peeve of mine. I don't see egalitarian as a problem, but I don't take the time out of my life to fight for anything other than gender equality issues so to call myself an egalitarian would only serve to cheapen its definition.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:14 AM
1

I guess. I don't see it as a big problem, but maybe I'm wrong.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:03 AM
2

They probably went through my history? Ugh. That's creepy af. I'm a member of FeMRADebates, but Masculism is absolutely dead so not much to discuss.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 12:00 AM
2

Like fighting for reproductive rights. Like getting more women into stem and other high paying fields to eliminate the earnings (not wage) gap. Like fighting against the way women are still viewed as the weak, passive gender. I could go on, but I don't feel I need to.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:59 PM
9

Which is dumb af. I subscribe to subreddits I don't agree with at all just to make sure I don't exist in an echo chamber. I believe in capitalism so I subscribe to the socialism sub too. I'm pro choice so I subscribe to the pro life sub too. I'm a libertarian so I subscribe to both democrat and republican subs. Just being somewhere doesn't mean you're "one of them" or even agree with them. You could also be intentionally exposing yourself to other ideas, which I think everyone would be better of…
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:56 PM
0

Because I agree with what the movement fights for. Officially, that is. Not the bigots on tumblr or Reddit.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:51 PM
1

No problem :) don't be embarrassed, happens to the best of us. I didn't read it as the woman being in charge. Just that the man wasn't in charge.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:49 PM
4

Exactly that. Amy is an evil rapist and Leo is a pompous hypocrite. So people are eager to dislike them, for good reason. But that's no reason to criticize their bodies when honestly, they're better than or equal to the great majority of American bodies.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:42 PM
2

In those countries, the status of women is a huge problem. And yes, if they're married that goat or chicken is her property too and they obviously need to agree whether to sell it or not. Unless he'd be okay with her selling the chicken without him agreeing.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:34 PM
1

Yes, my actions. That is the only way to tell what I'm about.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:31 PM
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That is a problem, especially since it was attacking feminism at a time when feminism was absolutely essential to society. The wikipedia page about it says that it began as a movement to "[oppose] societal changes sought by feminists and defended the traditional gender order in the family, schools and the workplace." So it's undeniable that the MRM was quite misogynistic when it began. It's hard for a movement to get over such unsavory beginnings and move towards something beneficial. It's still…
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:29 PM
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with either body. There's plenty wrong with both of them, but not their bodies.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:23 PM
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Hah, I already was, weeks ago.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:22 PM
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I see feminism as gender equality with an emphasis on remedying the inequalities women face because of their gender, and men's rights activism as gender equality with an emphasis on remedying the inequalities men face because of their gender. I think both are equally important, but a lot of people think feminism is only for women or men's rights activism is only for men. Rather than, we'll all fight for ourselves and everyone else as well.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:20 PM
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I don't think I even did that. Honestly, the trump thing is hard on a lot of people. Women especially, because we're facing the very real possibility of our bodies becoming public property. But that's not a reason to act like that.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:17 PM
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That's my point, that it's stupid. Most people don't want to act stupid.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:15 PM
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Why would I do that because of them, any more than I'd stop calling myself a men's rights activist because of the PUA subculture?
/r/MensRights18/12/16 11:15 PM
1

I will say it gets old being a feminist who's for equality and getting judged by those people. It makes me angry at the original bigot, and also at those judging me by the actions of another person.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 09:35 PM
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But the mod didn't tell me anything, that's the point. I asked why about two weeks ago and got no answer.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 09:32 PM
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I commented on tumblr in action and got banned from off my chest. The whole thing is pretty screwed up.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 09:32 PM
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When a woman divorces a man in some cases she may be entitled to half of his money, why? Are you talking about alimony, or division of assets? If you're talking about division of assets, the reason she's entitled to half is because it's not "his" money and "his" assets, it's theirs. That's how marriage works. If you're talking about alimony, that's a different matter entirely. When women are on hormonal contraception and they urinate, female hormones enter the water system and aren't treated or …
/r/MensRights18/12/16 09:12 PM
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I mean, I think it would be a problem if she was just remembered for being beautiful. But she's not. She's also remembered for being a great actress. She's known for working against the Nazis. She's known as being a goodwill ambassador for UNICEF. I just think acknowledging that she was also quite beautiful is natural, and not wrong at all. Edit: at least I'm the only one who didn't get an answer for why. I am both a feminist and a men's rights activist and people on both sides seem to think tho…
/r/MensRights18/12/16 07:38 PM
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Is that what I got banned for? I know they banned me when I hadn't done anything wrong. I messaged the moderators asking why and never got an answer.
/r/MensRights18/12/16 07:06 PM
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I like that my life can never be ruined with a child that I don't want. The choice not to have one will always rest with me and me alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:04 PM
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If someone breaks up with you because they can't control you, you are infinitely better off than if you were still with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:20 PM
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She looks like Crystal Gayle with long hair. Awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:19 PM
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People could easily argue that she was ugly af with that hair though. Don't get me wrong, everyone should do what they want with their own bodies. But she looked like hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:17 PM
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Making more than her assures that i have most of the control Hahahah suuuuure it does! Let me tell you a little story. My husband is a computer programmer. He makes a lot. I'm disabled. I make nothing. He has exactly half of the control in the relationship and exactly zero control over me. So how's that working out for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:14 PM
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Well, they're the ones meeting people and fucking and presumably reproducing at a higher rate because of it. Now don't get me wrong, I'm concerned about overpopulation and I don't think breeding like rabbits is desirable anymore. But back when it was necessary? It wasn't the introverts doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:55 PM
2

How about "that's so 2016?" Because if there was a year that could be summed up with depressing and losing faith in humanity, it's this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 02:28 PM
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I think there's real-life submission and sexual submission and they're not necessarily the same thing. I've had friends who were dominant as hell in their regular lives but preferred a sexually submissive role, I've known others who were more submissive in everyday life but preferred a dominant role in the bedroom. So I don't think it's an either/or thing. Do you think it's possible for a "force of nature" woman to not think any man is worthy of submission? I know I don't. I've known a hell of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 02:50 AM
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Oh I absolutely think it's a selfish position to put bodily autonomy ahead of life. I also think it's absolutely justifiable to be selfish with use of your own body. Selfishness isn't always the evil thing the world makes it out to be. Sometimes you truly do come first. As for whether I should be partaking in sex or not, I'm married. I don't think an asexual relationship makes for a healthy marriage. Do you? I don't think you have anything to apologize for. We disagree, but you still haven't bee…
/r/MensRights13/12/16 02:06 AM
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The word "phobia" is evolving from the original meaning. I just don't see how a woman who's going to take her own life could be less important to someone than something so completely worthless. As for clowns and black people: You're still ignoring the part about using someone's body without their consent. If a black person is using your body without your consent, yes, you can kill him.
/r/MensRights13/12/16 01:12 AM
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I can accept that. It seems like the prevailing attitude on here is men dominate, women submit, regardless of their personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 12:50 AM
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There is no such thing as the friend zone. Just people who think they're entitled to another person's body in exchange for being friends with them. It's not even a gender thing, the ridiculous entitlement is found on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 12:49 AM
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Pregnancy can cause PTSD actually. I don't know if you've heard of tokophobia before, but I urge you to research it if you haven't. These women, myself included, would take their own lives before they'd carry a pregnancy to term. Far more than an inconvenience, no? Right, well, I don't think a fetus is a person. Some disagree with that though, so that isn't the main argument I make.
/r/MensRights13/12/16 12:47 AM
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That's not necessarily true. If someone is raping me (which is illegal only because it violates bodily autonomy, by the way!) I'm perfectly entitled to kill them, even if I don't think they'll kill me. Rape causes a lot less harm to ones body than pregnancy does. Then there's the fact that murder can only ever be done to a person, so you're using that word incorrectly as well. But that's a different argument for a different day.
/r/MensRights12/12/16 11:50 PM
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If someone is trying to use your body without your consent, you can absolutely kill them. That's what self defense is.
/r/MensRights12/12/16 11:33 PM
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No, that's just the opposite. You can't cut your kid's body without his consent, a fetus can't use a woman's body without her consent. Also, you lose all credibility when you call pregnancy an inconvenience...just so you know.
/r/MensRights12/12/16 11:08 PM
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And isn't it wrong for women to try to force circumcision on their sons, for exactly the same reason it's wrong for men to try to force childbearing onto women?
/r/MensRights12/12/16 09:26 PM
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Why wouldn't high value men seek out equally high value women? Doesn't the "marketplace" we talk about around here basically guarantee that they would do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 03:06 AM
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Lmao I laughed at that too. Like its a crime..or even real.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 11:27 PM
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So do you think it's fair to say that anyone would end up submitting to the stronger force in the relationship regardless of gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 11:13 PM
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It's weird, in everyday life I'm extremely dominant. People who know me best have compared me to a hurricane, a steamroller, a forest fire...you get the gist. I'm reasonably self aware and I can confirm they're absolutely correct. In relationships, I don't really want to "swap roles" either. I don't want to dominate, but I refuse to submit. I want to be (and am) with someone who feels the same. When it comes to sex? I'm just the opposite. It seems like a weird combination of roles/traits. I gues…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 05:27 PM
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I'm happily married and don't feel dread. I wouldn't have married someone who made me feel dread, whether it was on purpose or not. Life is too short, I won't put up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 04:37 AM
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and would or do end up submitting to the right person anyway.l That's the part I disagree with. I'm a fairly dominant woman, which I do believe is more unusual. But to think a woman like me would submit? Not a chance in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 04:14 AM
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I'm sure you've already thought about this, but have you tried making an arrangement with your boss?
/r/MensRights03/12/16 03:25 PM
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Russian women are no joke either, I seriously doubt they'd allow that.
/r/MGTOW02/12/16 03:56 AM
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That makes it a contract. There is ownership involved, but that's ownership of property and assets, not of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 09:59 PM
1

You mean like divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 08:12 PM
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I think a kid who interrupts what I'm doing is bothersome, yes. But that child doesn't have the ability to understand social etiquette yet. That's why babies and children who have tantrums in public, while a huge burden and nuisance, are treated differently than you or I would be if we acted that way. Accommodating a young child who doesn't know any better is a whole different matter than accommodating a grown adult who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 06:52 PM
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I'd go farther than that and say submissive people aren't attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 04:22 PM
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I respect people who deserve it. If a kid asks if you're superman, he's doing it because he hasn't yet learned social etiquette and the idea that walking up to someone going about their daily business and annoying them is rude. You're comparing grown men to children. At least I have more respect for them than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 04:21 PM
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Okay, so that justifies saying that's what marriage was. Where, in any first world country, do you imagine that's what marriage still is? I'm a pretty staunch feminist and even I think you're talking out your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 04:18 PM
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There's a difference between not obeying every ideal of feminism and blaming yourself that someone else thinks it's acceptable to bother you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:56 AM
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But nobody tells men to do those things, at least not in my experience. It's always women. It would be "easy for someone to do those things" if, as you said, they don't have a strong preference of their own. But how many people really don't? That really isn't a realistic scenario in my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:55 AM
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But I can explain where that ownership comes from. Your ownership of the car comes from the fact that you signed a contract in which you agreed to pay money in exchange for the car. That's a legally recognized contract. It isn't just some waffly right that you're "born with" that according to you comes out of thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:23 AM
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I am American. I'm asking where, in your opinion, do these rights come from? Nothing just comes out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:21 AM
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Where exactly did you get your ideas about marriage if you think it's equivalent to owning someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:20 AM
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Explain people in places like the Middle East and North Korea who literally get killed for speaking out or being the "wrong" religion. Also, who or what grants those rights? If you're just born with them, where exactly do they come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:17 AM
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And my point is that people who know they aren't worthless aren't submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:14 AM
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I think you very well might. Referring to harassment as "a compliment" and saying it's your fault you're being harassed because of where you look and the position your facial muscles are in... Just wonder why you feel that way, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 10:47 PM
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Have you ever heard of a little thing called internalized sexism before?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 09:06 PM
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There's not a whole lot of nuance to be had here. Submission to someone who doesn't have any legitimate authority is just plain creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 08:57 PM
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So it's bs advice intended to make you into a worthless weakling? Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 09:31 PM
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Why not teach your children (not just sons) to open the door for other people (not just women)? That way it's legitimately nice rather than being kinda nice/kinda sexist.
/r/MensRights25/11/16 09:55 AM
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People who don't like kids are hardly a hive mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 09:06 PM
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I don't recall calling them used goods. And my comparison to drug addicts is to make the comparison of destroying your quality of life to save someone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 08:45 PM
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If refusing to date someone whose lifestyle is incompatible with mine makes them feel like shit, they have problems aside from just me. Should people feel an obligation to date drug addicts as well, to avoid making them feel like shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 07:38 PM
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You know not everyone wants children, right? Why should a third party feel obligated to be burdened by someone else's inability to wear a rubber? The world does not only consist of child-worshippers, thank goodness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 06:57 PM
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An unwanted child is a mistake! Like it or not. And if the bio dad isn't in the picture, it's clear that the child was unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 05:54 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 05:51 PM
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I'm not trying to provoke an argument, I'm serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 05:51 PM
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I'm not talking about physical abuse. That obviously sucks no matter what. I'm talking about psychological abuse. For example, my mother used to always tell me I was a failure for not pursuing the career that she wanted me in. Obviously that upset me, but would it bother me if Jack Random in the grocery store said the same thing? Of course not, because I don't care about his opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 01:25 PM
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The same is true for women. Most people would rather be with someone less than ideal than be alone. I don't buy into the so-called blue pill brainwashing. That's true. Obviously it has to be that way to keep men from having power over women. But he has the last say in whether he leaves or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 01:22 PM
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You know what, I'm one of them. I grew up in a home with a mother like that. It is not obvious that they don't love them. If they didn't love their narcissist parent, that parent wouldn't be able to hurt them the way they do. It is impossible to be hurt by someone's actions if you don't care about that person. Some of them are angry, sure. But they have a reason to be. Love does not mean lying down and enduring abuse and/or a toxic environment. That is weakness, not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 01:19 PM
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And the father isn't totally innocent? The only guilty party is the dead wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 01:14 PM
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Going low/ no contact with a toxic person doesn't mean you don't love that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 01:10 PM
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Referring to a child as 'another man's mess' is proof enough that yall don't deserve jack shit yourselves. Fuck anyone that thinks like this. What would you call it? His mistake? His bad decision making skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 01:08 PM
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But odds are that most women could have predicted what would happen based on their choice of partner. You could say the same thing about most men, couldn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 01:07 PM
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Not getting along with your mother isn't the same as not loving your mother. If the people on RBN didn't love their parents, they wouldn't need that sub. They'd just write them off and walk away happy. The reason that sub exists is for people who do love their toxic parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 06:35 AM
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More women are nurses than men. More men are doctors than women. Those are facts. Going to a hospital and assuming a woman is a nurse or that a man isn't a nurse because of these facts is sexist. More women are full time caretakers of children. That doesn't mean women are better caretakers of children. More men than women are in the labor force. That doesn't mean that men are supposed to work and that women aren't. And so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 06:30 AM
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That statement is much less creepy. Maybe I only feel that way because I'm pro monogamy but don't like or want kids, I don't know. Well I can't speak for everybody, but I can try to answer. I'm a bit fat myself, so I never did the fatpeoplehate thing. That said, I don't think the two subs are comparable. Being fat generally doesn't effect anybody but you and maybe your family. There might be a few exceptions like a fat police officer who can't catch a criminal because he's too big, or that fat p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/16 02:21 PM
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I find the whole topic unsettling, which is precisely the reason it's so fascinating to discuss. To me, your ideal sounds like a robotic creepshow. To you, I can guess that my ideal sounds like degenerate lunacy. And I love that such different people can be brought together to discuss this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 07:12 PM
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See what I mean though? Your world would lead to a world full of Stepford creepers living in these.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 02:19 PM
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In that case, you just idealized me out of existence :(
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 02:01 PM
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I'm talking about couples who neither like nor want children. Those couples having children is why you hear news stories about abused and neglected kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 01:38 PM
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You don't believe in contraceptives? So the monogamous, married soulmate couples you mentioned should...what? Never have sex until the woman reaches menopause?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 06:01 AM
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Words have meanings, but let's face it, virginity doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 04:41 AM
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So in your ideal world everyone has kids? Damn, I don't exist either. You're wishing a lot of people out of existence :(
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 04:09 AM
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At least his body won't be ruined.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 12:57 AM
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First of all, the birth control sabotage I'm talking about applies to both sexes equally. Second, you don't think having a child when you don't want one irrevocably ruins someone's life? Okay...we disagree. If we're talking about a woman, pregnancy changes a body forever. Yes, she can probably have an abortion, thankfully (for now) but if she can't get one due to price, accessibility, or beliefs, her body is changed forever. If we're talking about a man, there's jack shit he can do about it. At …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 12:18 AM
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I do, I just can't imagine any amount of money that could make a completely annihilated (but not ended) life okay. Even wrongful death suits focus on an ended life. I'm talking about an irrevocably ruined but still existing life. I guess I just think destroying someone's life intentionally should be criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 10:42 PM
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I just don't think there's anything that can give real justice in that situation. Money can't un-ruin a life just like it can't un-murder someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 07:10 PM
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I'm glad she's sorry, but I wonder how many lives she destroyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:59 PM
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Assume the contraception sabotage resulted in a child. How much money is a ruined life worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:58 PM
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People who want to be parents should be parents. People who don't want to be parents shouldn't be. Non parents shouldn't suffer because parents fucked up their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:54 PM
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Except that fat people aren't hurting anyone. Entitled parents make their children everyone's annoying burden rather than THEIR burden that they chose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:36 PM
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This is an important distinction to make. Even if it is an echo chamber, it's s harmless one that allows us to vent to likeminded people so that we can go out in the world and put on a happy face around people we don't particularly like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:34 PM
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You mean the same Africa where catholic missionaries refused to teach the local people about proper condom use, leading to rampant overpopulation and HIV. "The west" isn't helping matters at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:30 PM
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Obviously that isn't equality since biology dictates that women HAS to a larger portion of that 54 weeks than men. No it doesn't. Biology dictates that the woman takes 6 weeks to heal. The other 48 are equally up for grabs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:17 PM
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Men and women are different = a 14 year old girl who hooks up with a teacher is a victim, but a 14 year old boy who hooks up with a teacher is "lucky". That disgusting line of thought is usually brought to you by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 03:33 PM
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and her life wasn't irreparably ruined. If your condom had broken or failed and she lived in a state where it was almost impossible to terminate, it would've been.
/r/MensRights31/10/16 12:27 PM
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I don't want men to suffer, but medicine comes with side effects. I think it's pretty shitty to think that women should suffer all that but men shouldn't. I think babies are SO. MUCH. WORSE. than any side effect birth control offers, so both genders should be equally willing to assume responsibility.
/r/MensRights30/10/16 11:14 PM
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Yes, pregnancy (if not terminated) irreparably damages a woman's body. I'm 100% pro medical abortion and legal paternal surrender. I don't like the term "financial abortion" because I think abortion is purely a medical procedure, but that's entirely semantics. A woman's responsibility is pills/shots/IUD/implant. A man's is condoms. Hopefully men will have LARC's available to them too. Trust me, I'm a feminist but I can't imagine the unfairness of LARCs being available to the opposite sex but not…
/r/MensRights30/10/16 11:11 PM
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No one forces women to take birth control...But their lives are irreparably ruined if they don't. (Unless they're asexual and single.)
/r/MensRights30/10/16 10:30 PM
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It should be. I am entirely in favor of a man's right to legally surrender legal responsibility for a child within the time that a woman can legally abort.
/r/MensRights30/10/16 10:29 PM
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I don't know about her, but I'm not trying to spin anything. More than anything I want equal reproductive options for men, with the sole exception of a legal option about abortion considering its her body. That said, if men want a reproductive option, shouldn't they be willing to face the side effects that women do?
/r/MensRights30/10/16 09:25 PM
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I consider myself both a feminist (although I hate the 3rdwave) and a men's rights activist. Can you please explain why this is wrong? Birth control has side effects. No matter what. And it's not solely a woman's responsibility. So will someone please tell me, what's wrong with expecting men to assume some of the side effects women have taken on since the 60s?
/r/MensRights30/10/16 09:08 PM
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The one in which all men dropped dead. Women could continue the human race with saved sperm from sperm banks and IVF. If all women dropped dead before the advent of artificial wombs, the whole civilization dies in one generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 12:10 AM
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Okay, if that's not the case (and I don't think it is, I think I'm entirely average) that leaves option 2: your theory is bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:12 PM
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High value guys attract pathetic doormats? I guess that leaves two possibilities: either I'm high enough value woman that don't need to degrade myself for a man, or your theory is bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:02 PM
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Yes, it's in the states and in a fairly expensive part of the country (Southern California, about an hour outside Los Angeles). That said, it is an older house and might become more trouble than it's worth fairly quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 10:24 PM
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That's true and it is the official MRA stance. All I really meant is that a lot of people who aren't necessarily interested in MRA hop into the bandwagon of something popular and good (fighting for equal rights for men) in order to push something unpopular and bad (a return to male dominated society).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 08:12 PM
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For one thing, we don't have many conflicts. We share the same core values and goals, that's why we're married. On the rare occasions we do come into major conflict, there's always a compromise that can be made. I haven't encountered a single conflict with my husband in the almost 6 years we've been together where a final decision had to be made by one or the other of us. We have always been able to find a middle ground that suits us both.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 08:10 PM
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And women build the people who build things. If you're trying to make men sound more important than women, it's not going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 08:07 PM
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This exactly. Ideally, the 40 hour worker should work 20 hours within the home before the 60 hour worker even lifts a finger. Everything after that should be shared. Of course there can be variations so as not to turn every relationship into a tit for tat, but that's a good starting point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 08:06 PM
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MRA shouldn't be about relationships dynamics. But I see a lot of RP men and tradcon men using the legitimate cause of men's rights to push their agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 08:03 PM
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Okay, neither of us leading actually occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:58 PM
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Every single relationship dynamic I can think of, where the participants have goals and are trying to accomplish something, involve leading and following. I can't think of a single relationship/partnership/association that does not operate with this dynamic. Merely anecdotal evidence, of course, but my relationship is exactly like that. We're equals, we're partners, and neither of us feels the need to lead the other or follow the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:44 PM
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Do you mean complementary in the "creepy religious submissive partner" way, or in the normal "different roles" way?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:39 PM
2

Does landlording come with a lot of work? I'm thinking about doing it when I inherit my mother's house, but if it's a bigger responsibility than I'm willing to take on I might be better off selling the property and investing the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:35 PM
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I've always thought "an allowance" is such a creepy, infantilizing way of putting it. Isn't it just half of the couple's disposable/fun money? I guess if you're with soemeone who's so financially irresponsible that he or she will blow more than their fair share they're being so immature that an allowance is the only way to handle it...but why marry a childish person?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:33 PM
2

Shit, I guess I'll be apologizing to you a second time. The first time I thought you said my country does have mandatory army participation. I guess that's what happens when I drink and Reddit! 😂 (In my defense I was drinking in preparation to go deal with my in-laws.)
/r/MensRights18/10/16 02:52 AM
2

I'm a feminist as well as an MRA, so I'll probably automatically be hated here, but I think in a decent world a man wouldn't be hit either unless he was initiating violence; in other words, everyone should have that power. I understand the real world isn't like that though.
/r/MensRights18/10/16 02:50 AM
1

My mistake, I assumed you were from the United States. In that case, I apologize for my snarky constitution comment. I don't know where you're from, but when I think of mandatory participation in any job I automatically think slavery. Maybe that's a more common thought in the States.
/r/MensRights17/10/16 05:45 PM
7

At the end of the day, I don’t regret my decision not to circumcise my son—and I hope that he doesn’t regret it, either. And you know what? If he does, he can decide for himself to get it done. I don't see how anyone possibly couldn't understand this. If you don't circumcise a boy and he decides he wants it done, he can (with consent and anesthesia, imagine that!) get it done. If you do circumcise a boy and he decides later that he wishes he was uncut, that's just too damn bad for him, you can't…
/r/MensRights17/10/16 04:49 PM
1

You don't see the difference between hiring quotas and participation quotas? One is sketchy af, I admit, but the other is literal slavery. I think we have something in the constitution about that.
/r/MensRights17/10/16 04:41 PM
-1

You might even start to think that the woman is safer and has more power than the man. Except that she was using legitimate power and he was using illegitimate power. He was trying to exercise power he doesn't have: power over another person. She asked if the "girlfriend" wanted to come with her, she didn't try to make her. And the "girlfriend" exercised power she does legitimately have: power over herself. There's no difference in power dynamics here. Simply that the male actor in the situation…
/r/MensRights17/10/16 04:40 PM
3

Have you ever read The Handmaid's Tale before? That's what happens in the book as well, the feminist movement became more and more radicalized, which led to 1) younger people turning their back on it completely and in doing so failing to fight to keep the rights they already had, and 2) the book's equivalent of SJW radicals and religious radicals allying together against things like porn and sex work. Both of these things led to leaders becoming able to create an oppressively conservative societ…
/r/MensRights17/10/16 04:32 PM
1

Why would any adult follow a non authority figure's lead?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:24 AM
1

It indicates an attitude that she doesn't really want to be with me. She has one foot out the door of the marriage. She is ready to leave at a moment's notice. Could the same be said for you? By refusing to take her last name are you also ready to leave, unwilling to hold yourself out as married, have one foot out the door, etc.? If that's not the case for you, why would it be for her for exactly the same action?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:21 AM
2

But, as you know, "ownership" is a strong component of how I see marriage from the gate Can you elaborate on that? What kind of "ownership" do you think is involved in marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:18 AM
1

2 and 3 aren't exactly incorrect. Especially 2.
/r/MensRights12/10/16 06:06 PM
1

No, but I do think he should've been stopped from getting up in people's faces.
/r/MensRights12/10/16 04:30 PM
0

Are you high or something
/r/MensRights12/10/16 05:10 AM
-1

Being annoying is harassment though, so..
/r/MensRights12/10/16 01:48 AM
-10

That's a fair point, someone without a disability should've been kicked off the train but society makes allowances for people with disabilities all the time.
/r/MensRights11/10/16 06:48 PM
-8

There's no reason to be scared for your life, but harassment doesn't mean being made afraid for your life. Obviously the article calling it "dominant behavior" is bullshit, but it was without a doubt harassment.
/r/MensRights11/10/16 06:38 PM
2

If you don't feel comfortable sharing half of your life and everything in it with a person then don't marry them. This exactly. If you don't want to get married, if you're ethically opposed to it, if you haven't found someone you trust enough to commit to, whatever it is - nobody is going to make you do it. Nobody should ever even pressure you into it. But you can't pretend marriage is something it isn't because you don't like it. The setup that /u/chaircushion mentions is FWB or roommates...not…
/r/MensRights11/10/16 06:06 PM
3

Well, that guy dodged a bullet. He was absolutely right to dump her. Why would you marry someone who thinks they get a say in what your body looks like? Sucks that he wasted so much time, but it's always better to find out now rather than later.
/r/MensRights11/10/16 06:00 PM
4

Well somebody doesn't understand how marriage works! "Their husbands money" don't make me laugh
/r/MensRights11/10/16 05:58 PM
13

According to the story, he was waving his hands in people's faces. I don't care if you're a man or not, or autistic or not. Waving your hand in someone's face is a good way to get them pissed off at you.
/r/MensRights11/10/16 05:56 PM
0

War ends lives; raising unwanted children ruins lives. I'd rather die in battle than birth and raise children. Marital rape became outlawed in the 50th state in 1993. It's still almost impossible to prove if the spouses live together in certain states (South Carolina, for example).
/r/MensRights07/10/16 01:05 AM
1

Passivity is far from a privilege. The expectation that you're worthless and passive is a hindrance more than anything.
/r/MensRights04/10/16 12:43 AM
1

The yes should come before they're in bed.
/r/MensRights29/09/16 01:11 PM
1

I happen to disagree with whoever told you that. In my opinion, consent needs to be affirmative (yes means yes, not no means no). I don't think drugs or alcohol should impact that unless the person is literally passed out and unable to say "yes." Consent also needs to be ongoing. What that means is that the burden should be on the person who no longer consents to verbally tell you that consent has been withdrawn. All this shit about not being able to be drunk or taking any drug or verbally reaff…
/r/MensRights28/09/16 11:25 PM
1

Non stop affection isn't consent. Giving consent initially and not withdrawing it, on the other hand, means consent was clearly ongoing.
/r/MensRights28/09/16 10:51 PM
1

Not men. Just idiotic men. Like you.
/r/MensRights28/09/16 01:38 AM
1

Nobody should have a say in that. At that point the infant has his own body, and it's not using anyone else's body. No one should have the right to cut a part of that body off.
/r/MensRights28/09/16 12:08 AM
1

Women seem to hate you? Wow, I can't imagine why. That's such a mystery...
/r/MensRights28/09/16 12:00 AM
-1

Did you get lost on your way to the red pill, little troll?
/r/MensRights27/09/16 11:58 PM
1

If they were economic incentives, then they could afford to. And who pays for that exactly? Taxes, I'm assuming? I'm not a fan of the idea of paying for people to sit on their asses. If you're an able bodied adult, get a job and support your own family. It may happen, but I'm not convinced that is bad. You aren't? Loss of economic power can easily lead to loss of other types of power as well. We could easily be talking about a world where men have more power than women in general. How could that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 03:22 AM
1

I want to disincentivize couples both working full-time. You won't incentivize people to have children by making it even more unlikely they can afford to. Besides, if that were to happen it would most likely be women staying home more often, leading to a gender divide in economic power. That's a much worse thing than a declining birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:39 AM
1

Childfree people are already depicted as selfish, cold, unloving, cruel, and other generally untrue stereotypes. Again, what more is there to do that isn't already being done?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 08:12 PM
1

We already do quite a bit to coerce people into having children. I suppose there's still paid parental leave, but we alreaady have tax credits, free schooling, people with fewer or no children picking up the slack for parents in the workforce (which needs to change). What more do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 08:02 PM
1

Further, it is sad to say this, but social acceptability of things like yuppie "child free" couples, etc. needs to be reduced. As if we're accepted now? I don't want any special treatment or privileges, but it would be nice if strangers stopped thinking my lifestyle was any of their concern. What specifically do you propose to "accept" this choice less?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 07:59 PM
2

Are some of these things even necessarily bad? Traditional ideas of marriage, chivalry, gender roles...what's wrong with destroying that?
/r/MensRights26/09/16 07:22 PM
3

...because they more often than not have a wife shopping for their clothes, the kids clothes, groceries, household needs, and so on. That statistic makes it sound like women are taking money they have no right to and blowing it on themselves, not that they're shopping for the family with the family budget.
/r/MensRights26/09/16 07:20 PM
1

I'm supporting actual gender equality - not just the convenient kind. You might not like my viewpoint, but you can't say I'm hypocritical about it. For the record, I'm a woman and I would stay and defend my husband if it came down to it. Even if it meant dying to save him from the attacker.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 01:42 AM
2

If the girl had ran a block and called the police would that make her a terrible human being? Yes, she would be a terrible human being. Just as bad as he is. And if she did, you guys would all be rushing to say "look, women are weak cowards." So why was it okay for him?
/r/MGTOW23/09/16 02:48 PM
3

You know people like the reason the men's rights movement isn't more mainstream, right?
/r/MensRights15/09/16 11:02 PM
0

And that's almost as wrong as all the women having their bodies Aand lives ruined by those laws I mentioned. I say "almost as bad" because having your body and life ruined is worse than "just" having your life ruined. Bug it's still a horrible injustice to men, and one that I'm reasonably sure will be fixed soon.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/16 05:11 AM
1

Okay, if you believe that, why is cheating the one excusable reason in your opinion? Don't marry cheaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 03:04 AM
1

Agreed. And men shouldn't be marrying those kinds of women. But the fault obviously lies with the person displaying that behavior, not the person who's intelligent enough not to put up with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 03:02 AM
1

Okay, so, just cheating? Not gambling problems, alcoholism, drug addiction, domestic violence, rape, control issues, child abuse...those are all the woman's fault when the man does them? And the man's fault when the woman does them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 02:58 AM
-1

I live in New Hampshire now, so gender equality is pretty good here. I used to live in Virginia though and it was shit. Look up TRAP laws, you'll understand what some women (especially poor and lower middle class southern women) are facing.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/16 02:35 AM
2

In that case I guess I'd be SOL!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 01:43 AM
-4

Thought not. May I ask where you're from? The women in your area must be lucky to know that their rights aren't being threatened.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/16 01:43 AM
-4

Have you been to the American South lately?
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/16 01:32 AM
0

Agreed.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/16 01:17 AM
1

I guess I'll just have to settle for my husband then!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 01:16 AM
-10

Men aren't having to continuously fight for the mere right to own their bodies. Women still are.
/r/PussyPassDenied14/09/16 10:08 PM
1

And what step would that be?
/r/MensRights14/09/16 09:49 PM
1

So when is divorce a man's fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 09:29 PM
1

Then maybe Dad should stay home with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 07:30 PM
1

Okay, but using RP logic, if it's the woman's fault when a man leaves her (because she got old or ugly, because she nags, because she won't put out) then by that same logic it's a man's fault when a woman leaves him. You really can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:44 PM
1

Why is it that when a man leaves a woman it's because she's a nag or won't put out enough, but when a woman leaves a man its still her fault? I know it's awfully convenient to blame women for everything, but come on. It makes you look ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:49 PM
1

Wrong. Plenty of guys at the grocery store are attractive, but I'm not there to be harassed while I'm trying to shop. I'm there to get something done and go home. Anyone who intentionally holds me up, attractive or not, is unwelcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 02:18 PM
1

PS: I would love to see some of those terps that run down old timey housewives get sent to say the 15th century and have them take the place of the average farmer's wife for a few months, see how they get on. Get me a big 'ol bucket of popcorn and sit down to watch the wailing and gnashing of teeth. I normally hate reality tv, but somebody please make this a show.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 01:20 PM
2

Neither did most men. Most men and women did whatever drudgery would keep them fed and housed. Technology changed a lot of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:14 AM
2

Why is it more antithetical to female nature than to male nature? No woman has ever impregnated herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:13 AM
2

Paternity tests in utero should be legal, but only with the woman's consent since it's happening to her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 02:11 AM
1

well i think you are correct to a point, but men are not protected to the extent women are I understand and agree. I just think the answer is to start protecting men rather than to stop protecting women. well this can all be done during normal testing But no one can force her to have those tests done either. They're recommended, of course, but no one can compel her.
/r/MensRights13/09/16 05:09 PM
2

I think I get what you're saying but I'm not entirely sure what you'd like to see happen. You say there should be "a consequence for going through the court," but do you really think a violation of someone's bodily integrity is an acceptable consequence? I also see it as apples and oranges to compare a man giving DNA to a woman having a prenatal DNA test. The reason for that is because a man's bodily integrity does not have to be violated to provide a DNA sample. DNA can be found off a hair that…
/r/MensRights13/09/16 04:53 PM
2

And that's wrong. Should we introduce another wrong to balance out the one that's already in place? Or should we fight to make sure neither wrong occurs?
/r/MensRights13/09/16 04:41 PM
1

So...go to your pregnant wife/girlfriend/fwb/fuckbuddy and say what? "You're going to carry this pregnancy to term whether you want to or not?" Good luck with that.
/r/MensRights13/09/16 01:30 PM
1

Oh, believe me I think a guy is entitled to a paternity test if he wants one. Butut less she consents to a procedure done on her body, the test would have to wait until after birth.
/r/MensRights13/09/16 01:06 PM
2

I don't know how much stock you put in anecdotal evidence, but my husband and I were friends for a year and a half before we started dating. We're married now so obviously it went well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 01:47 AM
1

The procedure might be risk-free, but it's still something done to the woman's body and done with her blood. Therefore the man in question will always need the woman's permission to do it.
/r/MensRights13/09/16 01:40 AM
4

You completely trivialize contraception that's legitimately physically painful initially like the implant, shot, or IUDs, has potentially serious side effects (nausea, weight gain, and mood swings among the least serious, blood clots and stroke at worst) like the pill and emergency contraception, and abortion procedures that are difficult to access, expensive and painful. You compare that to men not liking condoms and getting less sexual pleasure. That alone shows you completely devalue women's …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 05:38 AM
1

I just don't see how a dominant woman can have a happy relationship with a dominant man. They'd be at each other's throats constantly and everything would be a massive power struggle. They might be able to have a one night stand with some good hate-sex, but never a happy LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 05:33 AM
0

Mine is blonde with pink/red streaks. Sometimes I do purple. So it's still got unnatural color in it, but not actually blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 04:22 AM
1

Okay but here's the thing: you're basing your whole argument on this one man. Your coworker is an irresponsible grown up child, there's no denying that. But most men aren't. Do you think it should be legal if the man in question did have a broken condom or a failed vasectomy? And there's no such thing as "free" abortions or vasectomies. What that means is taxpayer-funded. So why are you okay with paying for some choices but not others?
/r/MensRights06/09/16 01:52 PM
1

Who's to say either one was irresponsible? Condoms break, birth control, plan b, and even vasectomies fail. Why should anyone, man or woman, have their life ruined because of shit luck? Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood. That's why abortion is and should be legal. And that's why "paternal abortion" should be legal.
/r/MensRights06/09/16 05:14 AM
1

How do you plan to stop them without interfering with their bodily autonomy?
/r/MensRights06/09/16 04:55 AM
0

Feminism says you can have a family and a career, and you can. Feminism does not say that you can give 100% of your energy to both. But why are we expecting that of women anyway?
/r/MensRights06/09/16 04:55 AM
-4

I must have, I was under the impression that /u/Marko_The_Martian was serious about that.
/r/MensRights31/08/16 04:32 AM
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He can consent to abort any pregnancy taking place in his body. Men have no power over women, and they never will again.
/r/MensRights31/08/16 03:25 AM
6

What medical procedures are you imagining the government forces on people?
/r/MensRights31/08/16 03:21 AM
1

In a word: religion. Obviously in pre-civilization days with men being generally stronger and faster, they'd get the upper hand in society. It doesn't seem so far fetched to me that once that power structure was already in place, religion came along to reinforce it. It makes sense to me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:28 PM
1

I honestly don't know and can't think of an ethical way to find out. I think it's possible that there are some patterns, for example mothers being more likely to want to stay home with children because they're the ones who give birth to them. But I think the whole male dominant, female submissive thing is both total socialization and utter bull shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:53 PM
2

I'm thinking of men and women as individuals rather than two hive minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:18 PM
5

By that logic masculine men aren't suitable for relationships either, unless he ends up with a submissive woman who he dominates. Why is submission only portrayed as a negative trait when it's men submitting? If it's a bad quality (and in my opinion, it is) then it's a bad quality for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 02:22 AM
0

You do have that option, just like the draft dodgers of the Vietnam War era did.
/r/MensRights29/08/16 10:38 PM
1

I don't disagree, I'm no fan of the draft. But what other solution would there be if a major military power (for example Russia or China) decided to invade the United States? At that point everyone's life is on the line, and the only choices are fight, die, or submit to their takeover.
/r/MensRights29/08/16 06:21 PM
1

Well then according to your logic the only men who know what duty really means are those who were drafted in Vietnam. No men have been drafted for almost 50 years.
/r/MensRights29/08/16 12:29 PM
1

I don't want anyone to be drafted unless the United States is being invaded. None of the bs that happened in Vietnam, for instance. But if that does happen I'd rather have as many able bodied men and women as possible fight rather than let America get taken over.
/r/MensRights29/08/16 12:27 PM
-1

Of course it's current events, and I am by no means saying we shouldn't talk about it. It hadn't even happened when this article was written. But it's rather intellectually dishonest for men to continue using it as an unanswered men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights29/08/16 05:12 AM
1

If RP was gender specific, there wouldn't be any RP women. When people here talk about RP, they're referring to RP men AND women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:10 AM
1

Submitting is creepy no matter what the person is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 02:32 AM
-1

Women complain about not having the vote in a context of historical gender discrimination. Men can complain about the draft in the same context.
/r/MensRights29/08/16 01:49 AM
6

And no woman should marry any man unless she's getting 80+% of what she wants. Why is this gender specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 12:56 AM
2

/u/Heathcliff-- made it so we don't have to make a strawman. His whole post was so ridiculous that it makes a strawman of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 12:36 AM
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2 is changing. Women are now going to have to sign up for the draft. I'm all in favor of that so I'm not here to argue against it, but you can't use it in arguments anymore.
/r/MensRights28/08/16 09:34 PM
1

For false rape suspicion? Was something lost in translation or did they fine her because they suspect her of lying?
/r/PussyPassDenied22/08/16 09:03 PM
-1

Women weren't given rights. Women took rights.
/r/MGTOW22/08/16 08:42 PM
1

You lose a year to maturnity It takes six weeks to heal from childbirth. Ten if it's a c-section. Where do the extra 10 and a half months come from? Kid gets in a fight guess who gets a call. The Dad? Why is it always assumed that sick kids are the mom's job? Kids hurt or sick...Well you're in a million dollar business meeting and your kid just got hit by a car.... now what? Now you go to the hospital. Do you really think a man wouldn't go to his child who just got in a car crash? Of course he w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 03:20 AM
-2

I've never been a man so I can't answer that. I can say the men in my life aren't cowards like that. I don't think the vast majority of men are.
/r/MensRights15/08/16 02:51 AM
1

I don't see how "right to live" is absolute either. It's certainly constitutional, but that applies only to America and could theoretically be amended at any time.
/r/MensRights15/08/16 12:11 AM
2

I agree that because of biology women have the right to abort. That shouldn't even be up for debate. But consent to sex is not consent to parenthood for anyone.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 11:56 PM
1

It'll stop being debated when people realize a fetus isn't a child and everyone has the right to decide what can use their body.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 11:54 PM
1

Based on the most fundamental ethical principles that also ban slavery and theft. Yes, the law says that. But laws can be wrong when it's in reference to a child he never agreed to have.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 10:27 PM
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Obviously fear of being beat up isn't the only social pressure that exists. But it's the only social pressure that OP brings up in his or her original post. I do think people wouldn't be nearly as hateful online if they didn't have anonymity, but I don't think that has anything to do with "getting their ass kicked." I think it has to do with people in their real lives knowing they're scum. In response to my comment about a man's child, that's not what I said at all. You took that out of context.…
/r/MensRights14/08/16 10:23 PM
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Nope, I actually fight for men's rights. But I mean legitimate rights, not the "right" to kick someone's ass.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 05:48 PM
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Am I misinterpreting your intentions here or are you implying that in an ideal world for you, women would watch their mouths around men because they're afraid of them? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's pretty laughable.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 04:56 PM
1

It doesn't sound like you have a lot of respect for women based on your comment. Assuming that's true, why should a woman respect you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 03:18 PM
1

Every man is a man. Every man is worthy of respect. Why? Because he's a man? Because he's a person? Is every woman worthy of respect as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 04:02 PM
-2

Man bashing isn't a men's rights issue any more than woman bashing is a women's rights issue. No one has the "right" not to be bashed. Insisting they do infringes on people's actual rights.
/r/MensRights13/07/16 05:30 PM
1

12 isn't an accurate sample size for anything.
/r/MensRights13/07/16 03:49 PM
0

I think both.
/r/MensRights10/07/16 04:56 AM
-1

Yes, I'm serious. If I were a judge I'd always split 50/50 unless one of the spouses was either unfaithful or an abuser. I really don't see any other ethical way.
/r/MensRights10/07/16 03:18 AM
1

Agreed. If you don't like marriage law, don't marry. If you marry, you accept the consequences of marriage law.
/r/MensRights10/07/16 02:30 AM
0

In the UK where they live, trusts are included in the division of marital property. From my (very limited) understanding and research of UK divorce law, it's basically up to a judge's discretion.
/r/MensRights10/07/16 12:37 AM
0

I just realized these people live in Wales, so you might be right. I'm American and don't know much about UK law (or any international law really). After reading about divorce in the UK it sounds like it's basically left to a judge's discretion if the couple can't agree. If there's no prenup stating otherwise, I think a 50/50 split of everything is the only fair way.
/r/MensRights10/07/16 12:11 AM
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They're still married. I don't really see this as a men's rights issue. If she were the one getting the money, her husband (not ex husband yet) would still be entitled to his half.
/r/MensRights09/07/16 11:56 PM
6

Did you take a wrong turn on your way to r/Femalehate or something?
/r/MensRights09/07/16 11:51 PM
-8

They're in the process of divorcing, but they are still married. Like it or not, she is entitled to half of it.
/r/MensRights09/07/16 11:50 PM
1

Because they look like entire human beings, not just one human body part. It's the same reason people think blow up dolls are weird but flesh lights aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:04 PM
2

I'm disabled and literally can not work, but if I was able bodied and made enough to comfortably support a household I would have no problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:01 PM
3

My only response to that picture was disgust. Maybe I'm biologically broken or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 04:03 AM
2

Even they can't afford it at 21. Basically the only people who can afford kids at 21 are trust fund babies, or otherwise individuals whose parents/older relatives subsidize them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 04:00 AM
1

Yes. Like it or not, that's how bodily autonomy works. There has to be something that gives someone the tie breaking vote, and that's the fact that it's her body and life suffering irreparable damage. Like I said before, it sucks for men. But there's no way to make this situation fair to both parties until artificial wombs exist.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 06:21 PM
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My mistake, I thought someone here said it was a broken condom. Still though, one ejaculation does not give him power over nine months of her body and life. Sorry but biology isn't always fair.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 06:11 PM
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But you also can't say it's equally his when his contribution was basically a broken condom. You can not pretend that faulty latex somehow entitles him to authority over her body for the better part of a year. Just to be clear, I do think she should tell him. But I do mean TELL HIM what SHE DECIDED. Not ask him or get his permission.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 05:25 PM
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Not to sound arrogant, but probably better than a majority of people who aren't doctors. Please don't expect me to believe you're going for medical accuracy if you're using terms like "baby" though. If you want to discuss medically/scientifically, I'm all for it. But leave meaningless terms of endearment out of it (which is what "baby" is).
/r/MensRights15/06/16 05:13 PM
1

He wore a condom though. He wasn't unprotected or irresponsible.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 04:19 PM
1

Until it's born it's not anyone's child. It's her fetus.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 04:16 PM
1

And ethically speaking she should tell him. And I do mean TELL him, not ask his permission.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 04:14 PM
1

I think it's advised to get your sperm checked regularly so you'd know when/if that happened.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 04:11 PM
0

I think we can agree there's a happy medium between existing for the sake of consumerism and living like paupers (which is what my grandparents did). How each individual plans to achieve that is going to look different. For me it's forgoing having children so that (besides not destroying my body) my husband-to-be and I can live in comfort without having to work 60+ hour weeks each. For others that might mean skipping vacations and car ownership. For some it might mean working more to keep up the…
/r/MensRights01/06/16 06:10 PM
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Even so, the majority of people (even with their careers going upwards) can't support a family by themselves. That isn't how the economy works except for a lucky minority.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 01:33 AM
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Younger women who don't have any ambition and don't mind being financially dependent on a man. Even if you manage to find such a young woman, not every man can support a family by himself. In fact, most of them can't.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 12:57 AM
1

I'm afraid I don't see the relevance.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 12:38 AM
1

Does that discourage companies from hiring women? It really seems like it might. That's a big problem if it does..
/r/MensRights31/05/16 11:34 PM
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Which country, if you don't mind me asking? The United States (where I live) has some pretty crappy maternity leave policies, but forcing the issue seems like it could disincentivize companies from hiring women at all. 6 weeks before + 3 weeks after is pretty ridiculous. Does that mean that it's literally illegal for a woman to work within the first three months of giving birth?
/r/MensRights31/05/16 11:01 PM
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Anyone whose view of the world is so threatened by opposing opinions that they seek to silence those opinions is fragile. It doesn't matter who they are or what they believe.
/r/MensRights31/05/16 10:36 PM
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All that will do is make the statement that you were unstable and unfit for custody anyway. The only "statement" would be to reinforce the idea that they made the right choice.
/r/MensRights31/05/16 10:19 PM
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Exactly. When your ideology is repeatedly proven wrong, it's time for a new ideology. Some people don't seem to understand that somehow.
/r/MensRights31/05/16 10:16 PM
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these and other women wait till they are well past their best to want to get pregnant To be fair, how many women can actually afford to get pregnant when they're physically at their best? Between the cost of raising a child and making sure you're in a job that allows you the 6 weeks of recovery time, almost nobody in their early 20s can comfortably manage that.
/r/MensRights31/05/16 10:13 PM
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Not even true. Mine became an even bigger idiot than he was when we were together and I see him clearly for what he is.
/r/MensRights31/05/16 10:08 PM
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I'm not cherry picking or playing the victim. That's literally the only part I thought was stupid to complain about. Any adult should be able to cook and clean, regardless of gender. That is part of being an adult human being. The whole "tall and rich" thing is shallow as hell. And any person who puts up with their partner continuing to message an ex is a total idiot. But a person who doesn't want kids is smart, they're not throwing their lives away just to contribute to overpopulation.
/r/MGTOW14/05/16 05:11 AM
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But apparently a woman who isn't willing to volunteer herself as a mindless incubator is worthless. According to this anyway.
/r/MGTOW14/05/16 04:51 AM
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another user shared a link to the nightclub's site with the caption "Good job Taylor" – a reference to the feminist campaigning of Harris' girlfriend, Taylor Swift Um...why are they blaming her for his actions? Is she responsible for him and his choices now?
/r/MensRights06/05/16 07:55 PM
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That's the funny thing about opposing groups of radicals; so often their tactics and even their message ends up being the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 12:46 AM
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And the whole train applauded.
/r/MGTOW30/04/16 04:39 PM
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Women can have kids, but that comes with the expectation that they will. So there's just as much pressure on women, just to do something different. I'm a woman but I'm never going to have children, so do I have any implicit value? Does any childfree woman, infertile woman, or post menopausal woman have implicit value? And I could see your point if we actually needed more people. At this point the population is growing at an alarming rate and we need fewer people, not more.
/r/MensRights23/04/16 03:07 AM
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But you chose an unrelated point. You should've compared this with what a woman(or really anyone) in a safe, comfortable cubicle is getting paid and made the point that risking your life in a dangerous job = higher paycheck because why else would anyone take that job. Instead you compared it to an entirely unrelated problem and your argument loses a lot of its original merit.
/r/MensRights22/04/16 06:13 PM
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I don't think anyone really has any implicit value, do they? Everyone has to prove they're worth something and why.
/r/MensRights22/04/16 06:04 PM
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Thank you. I'm a feminist AND a men's rights activist (what do you know! you can be both!) and I'm very anti-traditional. You're absolutely right that all this comic does is provides a convenient strawman for people to fight against, and who wouldn't fight against it? But if we're fighting against MRA's imaginary expectation of traditional values we aren't exactly fighting for men's issues, are we?
/r/MensRights22/04/16 05:58 PM
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I mean, I don't disagree. Comparing anything to actual nazis is pretty much done for shock value only and devalues your entire message because it can no longer stand on its own without blatant hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 02:15 AM
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Class privilege is the most influential type. A rich, black, gay, trans woman is going to be more privileged than a poor, white, straight, cis man. Nobody really argues that. So class privilege is arguably the only relevant one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 02:14 AM
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Gender roles are a purely social construct though. Obviously biological sex isn't, but gender roles are and that's what most people mean by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 02:12 AM
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The majority of the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 02:10 AM
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Actually equal opportunity, reproductive rights, and encouraging women to be more than housewives and babymakers was embraced by 2nd wavers. I think you might possibly mean 3rd wave.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 02:09 AM
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What kind of job can't a woman do that a man can?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 02:07 AM
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TRP is unhealthily obsessed with female submission so much that they make up bullshit to pretend it's there when it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 11:52 PM
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Apparently so. Are we absolutely SURE these people aren't trolls?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 11:46 PM
1

I think red pill women tend to put an unhealthy emphasis on female submissiveness. I mean, if that's what works in their relationship that's great, I'm glad they're happy. But their default advice for a relationship problem seems to be "submit to him" and I think that's really unhealthy and kind of creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 11:28 PM
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Since when does a job equal dominance? I'm pretty sure a job is just avoidance of homelessness and starvation, but hey that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 11:26 PM
1

No trait is universally unattractive. Attraction depends on the individual. For example, I'm a woman who hates facial hair on a man. That doesn't mean male facial hair is unattractive, it means it's unattractive to me. It's the same way with anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 11:23 PM
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A through F is negative for everyone. G is positive for almost everyone. H is neutral unless the nerdy hobbies correspond to a nerdy profession in which case it's positive. But that goes for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 11:21 PM
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You're making a bad analogy. If you get poisoned, you die. A more appropriate analogy is that if you pick the poisoned one you have to go to the local planned parenthood and pay a few hundred bucks for the antidote.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 09:35 PM
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Because TRP literally could not exist without insane double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 02:23 AM
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Getting someone's advice and obeying that advice are entirely different things. I ask my future in-laws' advice all the time and follow it maybe 60% of the time. The remaining 40% of the time they're just plain wrong and following their advice would impact my life for the worse. If you don't want your daughter to be a strong independent woman, what do you want her to be? A weak, dependent woman? I sure hope you raise her better than that!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 03:39 PM
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Yeah, a hypothetical daughter, not hypothetical property. Assuming she's grown, you have zero hypothetical authority over her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 02:20 AM
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Can you explain what you mean by different kinds of resources? I meant monetary savings, I'm not entirely sure what you meant. And why is it nonsense not to want children? It's an entirely valid life plan and it's not for you to decide that for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 12:05 AM
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Crazy cat ladies men.
/r/MGTOW31/03/16 02:02 AM
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Tell her to snap out of her nonsense, present a life plan to me that takes care of her until and into her old age. Not wasting her money and time on children means she will have the resources to take care of herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 03:26 AM
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/r/badwomensanatomy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 03:58 PM
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Are you single? No. Engaged, getting married this summer. What do you look for in a man? Loyalty and faithfulness first of all. Absolutely no pre-existing children, and someone who either doesn't want any or doesn't care. Someone who can put up with me, for lack of a better term. I am passionate about everything, I have opinions about everything, so needs to be laid back and mellow as hell. But I want him to be passionate about his own things as well. I look for similar interests, similar sense …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 12:10 AM
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I don't think that is acceptable.
/r/MensRights22/03/16 04:11 PM
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That gives men power over women's bodies. How is that acceptable?
/r/MensRights21/03/16 05:44 PM
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None of the women I've ever known believe in that backwards shit.
/r/MensRights19/03/16 05:44 AM
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Supposed to? According to who?
/r/MensRights18/03/16 07:13 AM
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Lol
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/16 03:36 PM
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not equating the two. I know plenty of loud, opinionated people who are also strong, but those things have nothing to do with each other. I also know plenty of quiet, reserved but strong people, and loud and opinionated but weak people. I can't tell if the thing you don't like is opinionated people, or people who use the fact that they're opinionated as their only strength as an excuse not to have strength in any real way.
/r/PussyPassDenied03/03/16 08:04 PM
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Not yelled in my face, obviously, but yeah I like it when people are eager to discuss their political opinions. Maybe it's a leftover from living in DC for a few years, but myself, my partner and most of our friends are into politics so it's not at all unwelcome when someone shares their views. I'd have a problem with them yelling in my face but I don't really know where that happens in real life aside from extremely belligerent drunks.
/r/PussyPassDenied03/03/16 06:45 PM
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What's wrong with loud and opinionated? Obviously obnoxious and entitled are bad, but there's nothing wrong with the first two traits.
/r/PussyPassDenied03/03/16 04:49 PM
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You don't think it was oppressive for women to be pretty much forced into the role of housewife and stay at home mom? Sure the role itself isn't oppressive, but the laws that were in place sure were, for example being allowed to fire a woman for getting married or having a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:00 PM
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Because I had a hunch he was planning to do it before New Years. I didn't want to ruin the moment he was planning for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:37 PM
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My fiancé proposed to me on Christmas Eve. If he hadn't done it by our fourth anniversary (January 2nd) I would have done it myself. So yeah, I would've been fine with doing it myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 07:51 PM
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Her hypergamous nature? Her husband cheated, what's she supposed to do? Lie down and take it like a brainless nitwit?
/r/MGTOW21/02/16 06:06 AM
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Oh believe me, I've considered every angle of this. I'm a woman who 100% will never carry a pregnancy or give birth, so I feel so much for any man whose ability to make that same choice (not to have a child) is unjustly taken away. That said, while she's pregnant, it is her body that matters, and she is the only one who owns that. Not the future child, not the potential child. Her and her alone. So no, while she's pregnant it's hers. After birth it's both of theirs. I think the only reasonable o…
/r/MensRights08/02/16 01:21 AM
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Because it's in her body.
/r/MensRights08/02/16 12:13 AM
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So he should be allowed to force her to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want? What gives him that power over her?
/r/MensRights08/02/16 12:13 AM
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Sure a man should wear a condom. But condoms break. Why is his life ruined because of shit luck?
/r/MensRights08/02/16 12:12 AM
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I wouldn't be attracted to this man at all. I probably wouldn't give him a second look if I saw him out and about in public. Above average in looks and fitness. I don't care about that. At all. Obviously I have standards in terms of looks, but I'm attracted to smart/nerdy looking guys, not conventionally attractive or gym rat types. Owns his own business, travels a lot, manages a lot of people, or works in a physically demanding field. HUGE deal breaker. I'm unwilling to be left alone for the lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:17 PM
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Is infidelity ever justified? If so, under what circumstances? No. No circumstances would make infidelity okay. If you want to be with someone else so desperately, break it off with your current partner and pursue another one. Should it ever be forgiven? That's not for me to decide. I can only decide what I would forgive. It's not for me to tell someone what they should or shouldn't forgive. Would you personally ever forgive infidelity from an LTR/spouse? Absolutely not. Would you ever cheat on …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:04 PM
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That sounds exactly like the man I've been with for five years. The only thing I wish was that he was a little bit more social, he's about as extreme an introvert as they come and I'm about as extreme an extrovert as they come. So I'm it's true in the reverse and he wishes I was less social as well. Other than that, he's pretty much perfect for me and we're planning to marry later this year.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:59 PM
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That's part of what I was saying in my other comments. The workforce has changed but societal expectations haven't caught up. Part of that is women need to stop expecting to "marry up." There's no reason for an able bodied woman to expect a man to support her if she's not willing to do the same.
/r/MensRights23/01/16 04:24 AM
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You don't need children, but you do have to be married. Thus the wife part of "housewife." But I understand, you're simply talking about a homemaker role. That still means living with someone (which plenty of women don't want to do) and depending on them for your financial provision. That's fine for some, but some people are uncomfortable with that, and that's not wrong either. On top of that, it requires finding a partner who makes enough money to support two people comfortably, who is willing …
/r/MensRights23/01/16 03:34 AM
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Why has there been an upward trend in male unemployment? I think that's pretty obvious. In the past century the number of jobs has stayed roughly the same but the workforce has doubled. Of course that's going to change the demographics. As for the social-cultural implications, I think we seem to be struggling with that quite a bit. For starters it means that women gained a lot of power in society in general. I don't know if the majority of men like that. It also means that men aren't the primary…
/r/MensRights23/01/16 03:28 AM
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Wrong, a married woman without a job can fall back on being a housewife. Plenty of women don't want to get married, and plenty more don't want to be housewives once they are. Again, what makes a man's career goals more important?
/r/MensRights23/01/16 03:14 AM
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Serious question: why is it a big deal that the male unemployment rate is higher? For decades there have been more men in the workforce than women, and most men have been perfectly unconcerned by that. Why the trouble now that the tables have turned?
/r/MensRights23/01/16 02:08 AM
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So, because something isn't allowed to use my body without my consent that's the same as a child predator? You do understand that the reason that serial murder and child predation is against the law is for that very same reason, right? You own your body and no one is allowed to take that away from you. It's the same reason rape and slavery are illegal as well. But sure, just keep believing that I'm the irrational one. History will prove me right so I don't care much what you say about it.
/r/MensRights13/01/16 01:08 AM
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"Women aren't women anymore" seems to mean "women aren't submissive and dependent anymore." Some how I don't think it's the fact that women aren't little dogs that men are taking issue with...
/r/MensRights10/01/16 09:56 PM
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How is that much different from mainstream television shows where it's common to see an overweight or obese man with a thin, attractive wife? Granted she's normally portrayed as at least reasonably intelligent while he's a bumbling moron, but if we're only talking about weight my point still stands.
/r/MensRights08/01/16 08:02 PM
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Not quite, and there are a couple of things wrong with that logic. First of all, children are people under the law with the legal rights that come with that. Whether you think that should be the case for fetuses, the fact of the matter is that it's not. The second problem is that children are not required to be taken care of by their parents. They can be surrendered, adopted, put in boarding school, raised by relatives, taken care of by a full-time nanny...the options for a parent who withdraws …
/r/MensRights08/01/16 07:12 PM
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That's not how consent works. In order to truly be consent, it must be ongoing. As an analogy, that's why if two people are having sex and one of them says "stop," the other person has to stop or it becomes rape. It doesn't matter that he or she consented originally. What matters is that he or she withdrew consent, and to ignore that would be both unethical and criminal. So, back to abortion. Consenting to sex is consenting to the possibility of becoming pregnant, but since consent must be ongoi…
/r/MensRights08/01/16 06:43 PM
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But "the baby" is using her body, and it needs her ongoing consent to be there. Do you honestly not see that? And actually, abortion has been practiced throughout human history. It's much more of a historical abberation for people to be so uptight about it. If you're going to call someone else retarded at least get your facts straight.
/r/MensRights08/01/16 05:59 PM
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I don't think we're going to be able to come to any kind of agreement when you think it's murder and I think it's a woman's right to her body. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm happy to discuss if you want, but I don't really see a discussion bridging that huge of a difference.
/r/MensRights08/01/16 05:16 PM
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Agreed.
/r/MensRights08/01/16 04:02 AM
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Being pro-women's-bodily-autonomy doesn't mean pro-fuck-over-men. Assuming there are two people with an interest in the outcome of the pregnancy, why is the man the one who gets to make the final decision even though it's the woman's body? Why should his wishes override hers when she's the one whose body and health would be impacted? A c-section is surgery. It's quite possibly more painful and difficult to heal from than regular birth. The fact that you don't know this means you're really unqual…
/r/MensRights08/01/16 03:16 AM
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If he wants the baby and she doesn't why should she have to suffer through pregnancy and childbirth along with the risks to her health (and sometimes life) that go along with it? Am I correct in assuming you lean pro-life and don't agree with abortion in general? Or is that an incorrect assumption?
/r/MensRights08/01/16 03:01 AM
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What if men had complete God like power over life and death and told women, "No, you're not going to have that baby," and with the threat of jail and at gunpoint she is forced by law to go have the abortion the way men are forced at gunpoint lose out on being a parent if the woman decides with her creepy God like power over life and death and/or the opposite False analogy. She has the right to her body, he doesn't. He shouldn't be forced to pay for a child he doesn't want, but he also shouldn't …
/r/MensRights08/01/16 02:56 AM
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Okay, so assume she wants an abortion and he doesn't want her to have one? Or he wants her to have one and she doesn't want one? What happens then?
/r/MensRights08/01/16 02:39 AM
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It's your body. Understand that if an unwanted pregnancy occurs, you have absolutely zero say in what happens. And you shouldn't, but that means you need to protect yourself however you can. One slip up and your life is ruined. If you're sure you don't want kids, go get snipped. If she leaves,she leaves. No person is worth having unwanted children for.
/r/MensRights08/01/16 01:12 AM
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If anti feminism = having kids, I'll take the most stereotypically feminist choices possible.
/r/MensRights08/01/16 12:59 AM
1

Well that's not creepy at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:48 PM
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If submission is actually a sign of strong character, why aren't RP men doing it themselves? Surely they'd be lining up to show how trusting in their partners they are? This is such Orwellian bullshit. What's next? "War is peace! Freedom is slavery! Ignorance is strength!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 08:25 PM
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There's a big difference between an individual burning a book that goes against her ideas and a government banning and burning books that go against their regime. The difference is control and power. That girl has no influence over anyone except herself and maybe her family if she has one. A dictatorship has power over everything and everyone in the area it rules. How is that even comparable?
/r/MensRights05/01/16 06:37 PM
1

a strong leader I'm perfectly capable of being a strong leader. Why would I look for another one just to butt heads with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:43 PM
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You shouldn't see that as a threat because women are half of the population. Men will never have the power to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:36 PM
1

Okay, what's in it for non-doormat women then? Why would a high value woman want a leader rather than an equal partner? And is she really a high value woman if she can't handle stress without losing her shit and breaking down?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:33 PM
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Almost no individual can be independent and it's stupid to claim you are for the reasons you mentioned. No matter how self sufficient you think you are, everyone depends on other people. That said, first world women aren't any less independent than first world men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 05:37 PM
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If it went in her arm but it wasn't a typical shot, it's almost certainly the contraceptive implant. It's an excellent method especially if you're planning a vasectomy soon since it gets removed after three years compared with five to ten with an IUD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 04:04 PM
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An injection? That sounds more like the Depo shot than an IUD.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 08:47 PM
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Oh, I see. I thought we were talking about contributions to society in general, not strictly evolution. My mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:14 AM
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There's no way you could keep something like that secret. You can say men and women are equal all you want, but eventually a conflict will arise where somebody will end up having to make the final call. It wouldn't take me finding your RP stuff to realize that you'd expect me to be the one to defer and be a good little "first mate." The relationship would end immediately without me ever finding your RP stuff. Hypothetically, however, if I did it would be over.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:13 AM
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But if women are only valuable for their baby making potential, they're also mere tools. They're just tools that are used for different purposes. And that means women who can't/won't have children have no value at all, and that's not the case. I guess I should ask if you simply mean evolutionary value, or if you mean value to society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:04 AM
1

...have her...make her... Implying that men have power over women. Which they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 05:50 AM
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women have inherent value... eggs are valuable. According to that logic, women are only valuable as baby makers and incubators.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 05:49 AM
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I didn't, but then again a Red Pill man wouldn't want anything to do with me either! I don't think I've ever done anything that could be described as "submissive" in my life and I never plan on it. My strategy seems to have worked well for finding somebody who wanted an actual partnership though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 05:46 AM
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Either one I guess, I've just never heard TRP talk about alpha women before. I'm not saying I'm dominant, I'm just saying I'm not submissive. There is middle ground. I'm also not less powerful though. Really the only real power either person has in a long term relationship is to leave and I'm perfectly willing to if the person I'm with gets too big for their britches.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 01:14 AM
1

Do women come in alpha and beta varieties? I've only heard TRP apply that to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 11:48 PM
1

Then explain how I'm disabled and therefore don't earn any money, and yet I'm as far from submissive as possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 10:02 PM
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I've seen plenty of girls holding a guy's hand and pulling him along. Not to be rude, but what exactly is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 09:03 PM
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Do you seriously think making less money = submissive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 09:02 PM
1

Good for you, I'm glad you're happy in your life and your relationship. That said I think it's likely your individual personality rather than your gender that makes you happy to be submissive to your SO. I'm also a woman and wouldn't submit to my partner in a million years so it can't be just gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 09:01 PM
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Why would the man be the one with the "greater power" and the one with whom association is a benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 08:56 PM
1

Cheating 24/female/blue
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 08:27 PM
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You know this could just as easily be turned around, right? If the wife works and the husband stays home, she's the provider and she's the one in charge. If the husband works and the wife stays home, she's the pimp and she's still the one in charge. Or you know, you can just realize that who makes the money in a relationship isn't the one who's "in charge" and get back to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 08:17 PM
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I don't think an individual woman's anecdotal evidence will be enough to change your view, but I would never in a million years allow a man to dominate me. I don't want a submissive weakling either, a little bitch like that could never keep up with me. Basically I want someone who is able to dominate their own lives, but isn't interested in dominating mine. If a man tried to control me, all I'd do is laugh in his face.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 08:14 PM
2

Why should personality be gendered? So here I am, I was born a woman, I have female DNA, female body parts, I identify as female. I'm a woman. I'm also powerful, assertive, dominant, confident, outspoken...generally, qualities traditionally attributed to men. Does that mean that despite my body and mind, I'm a man? If not, what do you mean by gendering personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 08:05 PM
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That's probably the most important part, and also the one I neglected to mention, how about that. I mean my fiancé and I have had mutually incompatible conflicts in the past but they're over such small things. For example we were cleaning out his grandfather's house after he died, and somebody had to go up into the barn (where the wood was most likely rotten) to get down a bbq grill. Each of us wanted to be the one to go up so that the other person didn't risk injuring themselves. We both cared …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 04:05 PM
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There's nothing wrong with masculinity. The problem is with the expectation of traditionally masculine qualities in men and the discouragement of traditionally masculine qualities in women. The qualities themselves are completely neutral. It's society's view of them that's destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 04:00 PM
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We start with reason. After discussing, whoever has the best reason gets their way. Knowledge also wins. For example, he's very good with computers and I'm not, so if we're buying a computer he'd be the one deciding which one to get. The same is true in areas where I'm more knowledgeable. If one person cares about the issue more, they get their way. If there's still a dispute, we turn to an impartial judge like a quarter toss, draw straws, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 05:55 AM
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Like dundundundone said I doubt it'll change your mind but I'm also in a hierarchy free relationship. I'd never in a million years submit to a partner, but I'd also be horrified to be in a relationship with a submissive person. I neither am a doormat nor want one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 03:52 AM
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Of course TRP uses it inaccurately. If they used the real definition, people would realize how weak and pathetic it is and reject it out of hand. They enjoy being able to dress it up as something pleasant, even though it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:36 AM
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I'm 5'11. I usually wear heels, so I appear even taller. My fiancé is 5'6. It's not a problem that I'm taller, in fact I even like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 05:14 PM
1

He's not poor but he's far from rich. We've certainly had times we were poor together, but that was circumstantial. Before it gets too hard to believe, keep in mind that a RP guy wouldn't want anything to do with me. I won't have anything to do with the "submissive woman, dominant man" thing. I am not a follower, I will not let a man lead me. I also won't have children, so I'm not a handy incubator for alpha sperm, either. So TRP really has no use for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:15 PM
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I'm in my early 20s and at least an 8 on TRP's insane scale. Why would I possibly be "settling" now? And what the hell is a betabux alpha? Aren't those two things kind of mutually exclusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 03:44 PM
1

Quoting random words in my post is not an argument. You said "go after," not marry. We've been together five years. I really don't see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 03:39 PM
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Anecdotal evidence here but, I'm a feminist engaged to a 5'6 man (who I've never referred to or thought of as a "manlet," by the way...) who weighs 210 pounds and wears glasses...so, your argument falls flat that no feminist wants to be with a man like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:54 AM
1

No bias there, right? "Modest" vs. "sluttily," really? How about "frumpy" vs. "not looking like an 80-year-old nun"? How's that for bias!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 04:18 AM
1

Why should a woman ever allow a man to tell her what to wear?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 03:44 AM
2

I'd rather have AIDS than a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 04:07 PM
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As someone who would love to be infertile, this isn't exactly a very convincing reason. Babies are the worst STD out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 05:31 AM
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The person I'm going to marry isn't infertile, so that's out. How does having enough money to farm them out to private schools and nannies solve anything? If it was simply a matter of not wanting to raise children, there's adoption for that. I said I'm not going to HAVE children. As in, I will not carry a pregnancy to term and give birth. No private school or nanny solves that! There's no "deficit." As far as all living things being born to reproduce, aren't humans lucky that we have the intelli…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 08:29 AM
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They're considered pants because that's what they are. This idea that women will allow themselves to be controlled like they do in the Middle East is getting kind of creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 05:26 AM
1

I guess we've met different types of men then. It's probably true that there's somebody for everybody. Vulnerability is weakness. There's really no two ways about that. Some people don't like me, some are threatened. I'm not saying everyone I've ever met fits into one mold.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 03:31 AM
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Basically every guy I've dated before, with the exception of one. That one I broke it off with immediately since I'm not that kind of person. I'd rather end it early than wait until later and realize it won't work once we both have more time and energy invested. My father raised me to look for a man who isn't threatened by my lack of vulnerability. My fiancé is glad I'm someone who can keep up with him rather than laying in front of a door with the word WELCOME painted on my ass. What men have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 03:20 AM
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Obviously they won't run around barefoot for no reason. But if I'm out in high heels and there's a legitimate reason to have to run fast, off come the shoes. Yeah, I might cut my feet but that's better than being shot or robbed or caught in a natural disaster, whatever the emergency may be. I should say, the type of men I'm attracted to don't like vulnerable women. They're secure enough in themselves that they don't need a weak little nothing to make themselves feel like Big Strong Men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 03:07 AM
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No, not really. If a legitimate threat arose, I'm sure the majority of women are intelligent enough to take the heels off. This idea that men want vulnerable women is nonsense. Weakness is not a desirable trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:50 AM
1

More vulnerable. You've got to be kidding me right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:41 AM
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I'm 5'11 and I wear them. They're to make your butt and legs look awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:41 AM
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What I'm saying is that there is NO Dom in the relationship. So this nonexistent person can't decide because they don't exist. Honestly if anyone was going to be the more dominant person, it would be me. But I don't want him deferring to me either. I want an equal, a partner. Not a doormat little bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:23 AM
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And women who want respect are criticized as harpies, shrews, nags, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:19 AM
3

Not addressed to me, but an impartial judge can easily make that call.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:18 AM
12

Agreed. I'll never defer to a man in a relationship nor will I expect him to defer to me. Deference requires authority. Neither of us have authority over the other, so deference isn't even possible for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:17 AM
2

What do you think gives someone the right to lead a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:15 AM
2

Men only make up half of the population. They can hardly stop women from going around unchaperoned. Honestly most women's reaction to a woman trying to "not allow" them to do something based on gender is to laugh in that person's face and challenge them, "try and stop me."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 12:19 AM
0

That's the worst analogy I've ever heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 12:06 AM
2

You can't "agree to get raped." If you agree to it, it's not rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 09:33 PM
0

Egg cells and sperm cells are both alive. The embryo they produce is alive. It's not a human being, it's not a person, it has absolutely no rights whatsoever and it shouldn't. But it's still alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 06:40 AM
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I think you're failing to realize that for some people, there's no such thing as "ready" for babies. Believe it or not, there are some people who will never be willing to have children. A lot of those people will also want to be married. What do you suggest to them, find a spouse who's okay never having sex with them? Or just be alone forever, maybe. So their two options would be a miserable life alone or a miserable life with unwanted children. That's super realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 06:38 AM
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better to be unhealthy than to be dead! Even if we weren't comparing apples and oranges by equating a fetus to a real person, a lot of people would still disagree. Failing health is one of the leading causes of suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 06:34 AM
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not to mention unnecessary Oh come on. Let's not pretend rape happens because somebody just wants to get laid and can't find a willing partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 06:31 AM
1

Refusing to allow someone else to push their lifestyle on me is not the same as pushing my lifestyle on others. Nor is it obnoxious to be outspoken about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 08:59 PM
1

Right, freeloaders who pay for welfare for people who couldn't be bothered to use protection, food stamps for people who couldn't be bothered to have more kids than they could afford, public schools that they'll never benefit from...I don't think you quite understand what the term freeloader means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 08:56 PM
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Its up to the couple to decide the balance. That's exactly right. I'd never be with someone who expected me to do more housework if we worked the same hours, but I'd also never tell someone else how their relationship should be. I'm simply pointing out that his question was irrelevant in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:51 AM
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Okay, but why should someone do more work than the other? If hypothetically my partner and I each work 40 hour weeks, why should I do 20 hours do housework if he does none? Why would I stay with someone who sits on his ass while I'm doing the housework because his paycheck is larger? That would be a very stupid person, regardless of which gender the person is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 01:23 AM
1

I don't think I understand your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 12:00 AM
1

lol sure, make whatever assumptions about me you want. I'm just pointing out that there are a million ways to contribute to the standard of living than earning money. And honestly, thank god I don't have the same ideas of success as you!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:59 PM
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Cleaning toilets, washing laundry and cooking meals don't make you an interesting partner, but neither does data entry, grading papers, or filing tax paperwork. If you're wondering that I'm also wondering how many men have been cheated on by bored wives because he's a walking credit card and nothing more. My point being that interesting people aren't interesting because of their jobs or lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:29 PM
0

How is it relevant who makes more? What's relevant for determining who should do more chores is hours worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:23 PM
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The person who wants something less is the one who controls it, and that goes for both sex and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:16 PM
3

That sounds like a great professor. Their job IS to get you to think for yourself, but the one I had was too busy trying to make us think like him.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 11:19 PM
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The pain of childbirth or the pain of workplace injury/death? Not really comparable in my opinion. Childbirth is 100% optional. Earning a living, however, is required unless you're part of the small minority born rich.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 04:35 PM
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I don't know, maybe philosophy just attracts jerks. The philosophy professor I had was terrible, his teaching methods were impossible to follow and he took delight in failing people, even those who were trying their best to keep up. The philosophy majors I've known aren't much better, they tend to be pretentious as hell. Of course this is going off of a sample size of about 5-10 so it's hardly scientific. I just think standing up to somebody who's using their position of authority to promote gen…
/r/MensRights13/11/15 04:28 PM
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Frustration isn't a reason not to confront problems. As for a lower grade, keep copies of ALL your work on hand. That way if the professor "loses" something you have another copy right there. If you feel something was graded unfairly because you confronted him, go over his head.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 04:18 PM
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