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But there are attractive men who are stable and religious. Yes, but not nearly enough to meet the demand for them. Maybe they would feel like it was too much work to get with a guy as attractive as them and they worry he would cheat or become resentful unless they made constant effort. That's something I never considered. I have Yes, for women who have committed themselves to early, and lifelong, marriage, that probably plays a role. Now that I think about it I'd also wager many of these men use…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:39 AM
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I find most people have difficulty putting up boundaries, probably because parents tend to prefer obedience over independence. So yeah, we mostly have "nice" people without boundaries for whom it's easier to learn not to be nice anymore than it is to learn to have boundaries. I'm nice to people until they give me reason not to be, I just don't give them money or favors, I know when to say no, and I'm not afraid to disagree, but that doesn't make me "not nice", it just means I have boundaries. Pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 09:15 AM
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They exchange their beauty for their husband's income, stability, religiosity and willingness to marry young and have children when young. When you select for those things you'll have to settle in some other departments... You can also bet your ass most trad women will let themselves go once the kids are born, well maybe not the famous ones you see online, but you understand those aren't representative, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 09:03 AM
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Yes, it's already hard enough for me to get a good night's sleep and I don't want to be some single mom's safe choice. I'm also young enough that to date an age appropriate single mom there's probably something wrong (for me) with her. So in conclusion, I'll only raise children that are biologically mine, I actually want those, but not some other dude's spawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:52 AM
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Yeah, my gf is a sweetheart, but she's not perfect and we're not aleays compatible, but even my female friends always defend her and act like I don't get to complain because I'm a guy who has a hot girl so I should be perfectly happy always.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 07:58 AM
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If all men looksmaxxed it would have only a tiny effect, mostly women's standards would just increase, especially with online dating being mainstream. Only fixing the most egregious things like busted teeth or the worst haircuts would make a permanent difference for some segments. That said, looksmaxxing is the best most guys can do to at least somewhat increase their chances. I disagree that with looksmaxxing there's someone for everyone: sure there are women into short guys with a 6/10 face, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 07:49 AM
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•Do you feel like as a man it’s your role to be the pursuer? Not necessarily, but that's how it plays out most of the time and if a man stays passive he doesn't end up with the best woman he could get. • Would you feel immasculated if a woman took the lead and actively pursued you? No, women do hit on me, but actively taking the lead if they're not ugly/fat that's something else. I would be suspicious that's she's crazy or has an ulterior motive. • Say if she took on the dominant role of caretak…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 07:41 AM
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The simple truth is there aren't enough securely attached, attractive, confident people around for everyone. So yeah, TRP-like strategies are a necessary evil for a lot of men, but I wouldn't say they're all narcissists (though TRP does teach them to emulate narcissistic behavior) and the women they attract don't all have BPD either. In general you can be pretty sure you're overdiagnosing when you say half of people have the same disorder because half of people are the norm, by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 06:25 AM
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The Cold Coquette is attractive to some men because she's more likely to have a life, hobbies and opinions of her own and is more relatable, emotionally, to men, which makes men respect them more. Being more cold at the start these women also take off the relationship pressure guys normally feel when they just get to know a woman. And let's face it, they're often prettier than the average woman as well, if they were fugly no amount of Cold Coquettishness would get men to chase them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 06:15 AM
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My girlfriend is objectively more attractive than I am, she has the whole VS supermodel look. The thing is we met on tinder and she's been clear from the start I'm just her physical type, also one of her exes sort of looks like me. At the beginning of the relationship I was skeptical but she showed she's really into me, so I'm not jealous or anxious. Of course it motivates me just a little more to keep working out. It also makes it a lot easier to have sex when I'm really tired, I just have to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 07:38 AM
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Easy... serial cheaters make it so that there are more people who have been cheated on than have cheated, these people are also on the market more often than non-cheaters and they're often more attractive (think dark triad men). Well, that combined with people lying about having cheated or coming up with excuses for why it didn't "count" as cheating. P.S. I've never been cheated on, that I know of and I've never cheated either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:03 AM
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Yes, you meet her, she's beautiful and treats you well, all your friends want her or admire her, you should be thrilled she's actually into you, but you don't have feelings for her. You still date her because she's a great catch on paper and you were done with being single. You hope those feelings will eventually come while the months go by and in the meantime it feels like there's an expiration date and you have to choose between settling for a woman you never really loved but do get along with…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 08:26 AM
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For these people it's a harder choice to stay and make things work. Not taking heroine is a relatively easy choice for people who've never taken it before, it's a very hard choice for people who've taken it often, some people draw a line where they call a sufficiently hard choice an addiction and that has entered the general parlance, your personal moral view on that may be different but the point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 06:43 AM
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Yeah, I know the rush has to do with dopamine, that's why I said it's not about oxytocin.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 07:41 PM
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Most men, including myself, would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 04:46 PM
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It's not that you can't produce oxytocin anymore after x-number of partners. It's that you'll start to get addicted to the honeymoon period/new partner excitement. An LTR will feel very boring and stifling and it feels easier to run away at the first fight or compromise rather than making the relationship work. It doesn't work like that for everyone, but it does for at least a sizeable minority, probably even a majority. For women specifically they can be alpha-widowed, leaving them theoreticall…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:51 PM
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Short answer: yes, it's harder to get an attractive men to commit. Long answer: 1) yes, attractive men may be spoiled since being teenagers so less likely to commit 2) of course when there are 5 women throwing themselves at an attractive man at least 4 of them are not going to get him to commit (but probably still have sex with him), an average man will only have 1 woman be interested in him, that certainly makes a difference 3) attractive men can afford to be picky and don't have to have a rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 08:52 AM
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I had higher SMV after 26 then before. I don't feel the urge to sleep with random women most of the time but the added abundance is nice to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 08:46 AM
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It's seen as edgy, trendy and "empowering" for young woman to say they don't want kids so the ones who don't will be much louder than the ones who do or aren't sure. Also, getting pregnant is very visceral for women, while it's more theoretical for men. In addition, since male gender roles never really change it's still seen as higher status for men to have children in society in general. Lastly, baby fever isn't called that for nothing: it's quite normal for women under 30 to not want children …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 08:44 AM
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Wanting a "serious relationship" isn't the same as committing to spend the rest of your life with that person. It isn't, life happens, but it's too easy to just conclude that most young couples split up because the guy specifically, wants to play the field. I did know one girl who left her highschool sweetheart to have a FWB-situation with a Chad and then went back to him. I'm literally a senior in college lol. I'm talking about what I've witnessed over the past 3/4 years. Amongst my non-religio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:18 AM
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We have to clarify, especially on PPD, whether we mean the guy's in love or just would smash if given the opportunity, but wouldn't care if the opportunity never came. The latter doesn't mean anything. From what I've seen, if the woman drives/initiates the friendship it often is because she's somewhat attracted, maybe only enough for a flirtationship, but still, or vaguely pretends to be to get attention and/or favors, so when an inexperienced guy isn't too much below her league he could be forg…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 07:08 AM
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It does reflect reality. Of course things don't always work out because young people grow apart, but that's not because they didn't want a relationship. Young guys who fall in love and want a serious relationship are literally everywhere, of course most of them aren't Chad and that's the real reason women don't remember all the relationship-minded guys who were around when they were younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:55 AM
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The RP contains great self improvement tips, but none of what they say is really anything new. Pay attention to your fitness, grooming, hygiene, social abilities, etc. So you're admitting it works then? Just that there is overlap with other currents, such as PUAs. Also, the details of "paying attention to your social abilities and fitness" that actually work are hardly mainstream, in fact they're often seen as misogynistic (which they are, in a way, they shouldn't work, but they do because a maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 09:37 AM
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I'm not even redpilled and even I think RP-techniques are the average man's best bet with a majority of women. The only alternatives are being a natural, being born with Chadly looks, being an alphabuxx HVM, or betabuxxing, the first three aren't a choice and the fourth option means ending up in a loveless (and probably eventually sexless) relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:50 PM
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I don't know where you get that idea. "Giving him her youth" simply means being his girlfriend when he's young.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:42 PM
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"Beta bux" seems to assume that young men who want wives and kids are being passed over in favor of NSA sex with Chad. That's a bit of a strawman. All the theory assumes is young betas want relationships. That seems quite realistic to me, even many young alphas want relationships (just not with the majority of girls who throw themselves at them). I was in a committed relationship when I was 21, and I liked it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:19 AM
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From reading older literature, it seems like men cared more about personality and temperament. e.g. they would describe a woman by how nurturing, bubbly, pleasant mannered, etc. she is and would vocalize their personality-based expectations and preferences. It's a bias: these were the men who were a) happy with their women and b) wrote stuff down, that was hardly representative. I will say though that maybe there's a small effect today from men desperately trying to avoid coming across as beta b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 07:06 AM
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Lol, why would an attractive, popular, intelligent man want anything other than (protected) sex with her? Sure, she's hot (but in a very bland and common way), but she's also batshit insane, not that smart, full of herself and only has a job because she fits the Fox News look.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 07:48 AM
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Oh, it's definitely true, and no, it's not because men ask the "wrong" question because 99% of the trouble is getting a woman to be sexually attracted, whether you're looking to get laid or get a girlfriend doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 02:14 PM
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Not even good advice for LTR: first impressions matter too much for that. It's generally a bad idea for men to restrict themselves to the women who are into their low-effort/casual/normal-workday self, especially for men who already struggle, that never gets them the women they actually want and for a sizeable minority it doesn't get them any women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 02:11 PM
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And when you die all those plan B babies will be waiting for them. Lol, that would be an interesting Twilight Zone episode...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 12:10 PM
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Other countries childcare is free, and maternity leave is 12 months. Very few countries are that generous, but yeah, in most of the first world you get subsidised childcare, several months paid maternity (and some paternity) leave, unemployment benefits that go beyond the bare minimum and, perhaps most important, healthcare that doesn't depend on having a good job and doesn't have high co-pays. Living in the US is stressful and insecure if you're not at least upper middle class. I get why Americ…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 06:19 AM
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It's not just your (or mine) anecdotal experience: research shows partner count for women correlates positively with BMI and negatively with facial attractiveness. The reasons are pretty simple: these women have more trouble keeping an attractive man and are also more willing to try to use sex to "convince" a man because it's often the only way Chads will pay attention to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 06:07 AM
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Yes, 3 major things about American dating: - there's so many fat/obese people, this fucks up the dating market and anyone you date who isn't a complete gym bunny could blow up when they get comfortable - there's a heavier emphasis on money/status, even for women, probably because of the weak welfare state - Gender and dating norms are very contradictory or otherwise confusing because they're a weird mix of socially conservative and progressive cultural currents.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 01:27 PM
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Ideally, most men would have one wife they love, plus a changing rotation of hot young sidechicks purely to get some sexual variety once in a while. Does that mean he doesn't really love his wife? No, there's no emotion with those other women and he wouldn't sacrifice for them, spend resources on them, or want them to become pregnant. Not having a sidechick is like not having a superyacht, not really something most men lose much sleep over, even though they'd probably get one if they could get o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 01:19 PM
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For some men this is true, but I think for most men (of the minority who are single in their 30s or beyond) it's simply that they stop when they have the most bargaining power relative to what they want to get: they're more attractive to women than when they were in their 20s and if they wait much longer they'll only have older, infertile, women to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 01:13 PM
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Would you settle extensively on looks/attraction for a woman that you get along with super well and have fun times with? Yes, definitely. I'd rather have a 6 I have great chemistry with than an 8 I don't have (or barely have) any chemistry with. Ironically I've found it's easier for me to find the latter than the former. To me, physical attraction and chemistry are separate things, though I do have a looks treshold for an actual relationship. Do you even feel like Good Chemistry is something you…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 01:09 PM
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Many cultures did/do openly give this as a reason for denying women certain rights. It's a common view among Middle Eastern and African Muslims, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:48 AM
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You're still looking through a 20th century lense. Few people used to be paid wages at all. High-paying positions were a rarity, mostly reserved for aristocrats and the occasional mercenary. Insofar as there was anything resembling a middle class these would have been prosperous farmers, skilled craftspeople and clergy, it would have been their wives who would go to markets and these people didn't have bank accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 12:46 PM
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Cobra is right: throughout history, even Western history, most societies were nowhere rich enough to be able to afford having the wives of peasants/laborers sitting at home knitting. In 19th century Europe and the US factory bosses would often pay a husband's wages directly to the wife so she could buy food for the family before the husband spent the money on alcohol. Housewives, just like eating meat daily, is a 20th century invention that somehow manages to masquerade as an ancient tradition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 10:00 PM
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These are Western descriptions from literature, much of it written by very atypical people, or even celibate monks. Romantic love for normal people hasn't changed all that much throughout the ages. What has changed is the (seemingly) abundance of options we think we have nowadays (leading to the paradox of choice, or to falling short of some impossible ideal when you get compared to thousands of other people), normal people having more dissimilar lives, the invention of reliable contraception, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 07:54 AM
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A couple of things: lots of women would marry the alpha if they could, the alpha just doesn't want to marry them women who settle for a beta don't love betas, men love Madonna's what sets whores apart from Madonna's isn't their appearance, it's their behavior: they're easier/more sexual, not hotter. In fact, among women partner count is negatively correlated with weight and facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 06:21 AM
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It does for some of the arguments on here. People claim it damages women to have sex or causes them to be jaded etc. True, for those arguments it matters. This is one of those things I disagree with redpillers on, I think alpha widowing (which at least allows for the possibility of a sustainable LTR with another Chad, if she can get one to commit), or becoming jaded, are less common than these women simply having had massive issues beforehand, and that there's overlap as well (the underlying iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 11:21 AM
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Women have inherent value, men only have value through what they do. A tomboy can have children just as easily as a princess type, but a man who doesn't produce/provide is worthless unless he's a gigachad, so women have somewhat more flexibility in their gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 08:28 AM
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It's correlation more often than causation (promiscuous women tend to have issues that make them promiscuous), but that doesn't change the conclusion a man should draw from this statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 06:13 PM
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So is it unfair? Deceitful? It's definitely deceitful, whether it's a big deal is another question since most women have the option to wear make up too. Also men do have some options, though fewer, for example there are suspicious correlations between the baldness of a man and the likelihood he wears hats, or the softness of his jaw and the likelihood he has a beard. Also, I’m a serious advocate for normalizing men wearing makeup I'd rather have a world where no one wears makeup than one where w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 01:40 PM
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Turns out there's a very different way of looking at it. There aren't "shit tests". There are "bids" for attention and security (John Gottman's term). That's all it is: a different way of looking at it, calling the same things different names, but it doesn't change the end-result.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 04:05 PM
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Your dating life should not be your support network. Your support network, and the vast majority of your social interactions, should be friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 07:51 AM
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No, then she's just not into me. There's no manipulation and we can both go our separate ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 07:47 AM
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Naturally ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 07:46 AM
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Nope. There's a way out: be selective. It's no different from a woman wanting a man to commit but oy commit to her (or at least a very small subset of women, instead of being desperate and offering commitment to every pretty woman he meets). If you're not selective (whether you're a man or a woman) you're not a desirable long term partner anyway. I think some women see it as a catch-22 because deep down they know they're not selective (for example because of low impulse control or a habit of cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:55 AM
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Tall, muscular monsters with square jawlines and piercing eyes you mean...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:46 AM
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Nah, it's 80% looks (and the halo effect that comes from it) and 20% confidence/humor/being comfortable around women/posture/social acuity/preselection. Most women will just invent an attractive personality for you in their heads when they find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:01 AM
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"In fact, the study found that most women don't even wear makeup everyday. Out of those surveyed, only 18 percent said they wear makeup every day or almost every day. Even then, only 28 percent of women said they wear makeup "most days." That leaves more than half of women wearing makeup twice a week or less." The days when they do put on makeup are probably the days they meet (or expect to) the most single men and women who socialize more wear makeup more often as well, so men are more likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 03:47 PM
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This is a bit misleading though and people often assume it is evenly distributed when discussing it. If you had 100 salesman with a total of 10000 products sold, the distribution would not be like the top 20% of the salesman would have equally sold 8000 products, it might look like this: 1% sold 4000 5% sold 3000 14% sold 2000 80% sold the remaining 3000 No. 80/20 is pretty simple: 80% sell 2000 products, 20% sell 8000 products, whithin the top 20%, the 80% of them (16 salesmen) sell 20% of 8000…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 03:37 PM
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1-3 dates to see if I want to try a relationship, several months to see if I want the relationship to last. Of course there are plenty of men who use the "open to a relationship eventually" line to get sex from a woman who genuinely believes the line. They're a minority of men but they're probably more attractive and pursue more often/more aggressively than the average man so women will remember these men more. Plus there's the whole thing where humans remember negative experiences more strongly…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 02:45 PM
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Since in this scenario swipes are rationed I would use knowledge about the exes to better guess which women I have a shot with (and it's not just about how attractive those exes were, it's also about seeing what her niches are, which would help non-white guys or guys with long hair, to name some examples). If swipes weren't rationed I'd use the knowledge to better guess which ones I would only pursue for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 02:15 PM
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The man is inebriated or he doesn't like the woman's personality or he can only get it up for her when he's extremely horny and she's face down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 02:07 PM
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The second part of my answer addresses that. In short: yes, it can help a bit with some men, but they're not the men women want in the first place, so it's pretty much moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 10:03 AM
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If she can lose weight than that can do wonders... If she can't lose weight she can still gain some attractiveness by improving her personality, but it depends on the looks treshold fo the men she's going for how far those improvements will get her. Sure, some men can fall in love with what most men would consider a 3, because men have wide tastes. Though I highly doubt the woman herself would fall in love with a man who goes for a 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 12:13 PM
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Women don't need game to have a relationship, but they increase their chances of having a good relationship if they have game.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 02:08 PM
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How can a woman know a beta is committing because he likes her as a person and not because he's desperate for sex? It's usually both anyway. So don't worry about it and enjoy the ride. Accept that both of you are probably nothing special personality-wise and preference-wise and the halo effect is a thing, so you'll probably like each other if you find each other sexually attractive and know the other person finds you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:53 AM
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Oh yeah, lots of mental health problems are not currently solvable, at least not without taking drugs that impair your other adult functions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:48 AM
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In general, it's about being stable. Being stable mentally, having a dependable income and being able to save, being stable when things don't go her way instead of throwing a temper tantrum or becoming passive aggressive, having impulse control, being able to make compromises without resentment, being true to her word, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:41 AM
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Yes, or to put it more accurately: men can accurately assess the underlying issues that are correlated with both promiscuity and being a bad long-term partner (for example bipolar disorder, low impulse control, etc...) People aren't as unique as we like to think and generally they're not masters at hiding their bad traits either. The problem is more about finding out how many/what bad traits you as a specific man with a specific SMV, RMV and set of preferences, have to put up with to not end up …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:34 AM
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Mostly face and height, but with a small contribution from fitness, confidence and social accuity, which can be trained (unless you're really unlucky genetically).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:15 AM
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Sure, white collar work has, for the time being, higher prestige, likely because a college degree confers status. Since college education is also seen as a class marker, college educated women (more than half of all young women) demand college educated men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:04 AM
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Depends on how long the loneliness has been going on for... Solitary confinement, prolonged bullying and growing up without suitable parental figures can all lead to what are considered "real" mental health problems, so why could a prolonged lack of intimacy not do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:02 AM
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3. There may be partial solutions, but none of them are very realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 07:33 AM
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Sure, at least some men can I know I'm one of them, but I think everyone has a treshold for looks, the looks treshold men have for women just is a lot lower than women think, and typically much lower than the looks treshold women have for men (women don't love ugly men, or often even average men, they just tolerate them to get money or stability).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 07:32 AM
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Is this part of being RPW, or is it a sign of emotional damage? It's emotional damage, but it's so common on young women that I can see how a guy could increase his success by building a dating heuristic around this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:54 AM
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It's an illusion that all women have multiple guys after them for LTR. Of course it's an illusion that most women buy into, but mathematically it only works if they share guys, either serially (meaning the relationship can't last) or at the same time (meaning the relationship is not actually monogamous).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:26 AM
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Women don't put more effort in the way they look than men do, at least not in the areas where it actually matters for sexual attractiveness. Sure women paint their nails but that doesn't make them sexually attractive to men, meanwhile they're just as overweight as men, to give an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:13 AM
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IME they (if they're not complete bimbos) recognize it under some circumstances, like when the barista stumbles over his words or some old dude stares at her tits, but they don't realize that even "normal, nice" people, including women might not be that nice to ugly people. They do handwave this away somewhat with the excuse that some women will feel threatened and be mean to them, which is a real thing and may be a problem in workplace settings, but usually doesn't outweigh all the other people…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:06 AM
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Rich girls can also marry you for money because they expect a certain standard of living and because their family has drilled it into them. IMO your best bet is to find a woman who has always made enough money to be independent, and is good with managing money. Don't show her your wealth immediately and stay away from Instagram models and other obvious golddiggers. Also, insist on a prenup.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:00 AM
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Yes, but I'll probably have to marry someday, I accept that, with the condition of a prenup.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 07:55 AM
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I don't really want it, I just accept that I'll probably have to do it one day to keep a HVW and have children with her. I do insist on a prenup though, that's non-negotiable (I'm not American, thankfully prenups do hold up in court in my country)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 09:49 AM
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You define transactionality in such a way that love has to be transactional, even in theory with alien beings it's not possible for it to be non-transactional because you say it's disgusting as soon as the love is conditional on something, anything, even on the person not changing their personality after a brain injury. Even loving someone "for who they are" could be seen as transactional in that way because "being who you are" could be seen as something of value and the other person would stop …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 10:09 AM
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OP sounds like one of those people who defines transactionality in such a broad way that everything can only be transactional, and then complains that people are shit because everything people do is transactional, that "true altruism" (which they just defined in such a way to be impossible) doesn't exist. That's what you get when you make up strawman definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 08:02 AM
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Among young men it's probably more like 25%. There's incels, handicapped people, people who don't have any time because of work, people who want to be alone (even if just for a while), people with autism, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 08:00 AM
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It's impossible to prove it 100%. Ways to make it more certain are being enthousiastic, being affectionate, low amount of shit-testing, not flirting with other guys, shows support instead of looking for weaknesses, having low n, having exes who like the current boyfriend, or who were worse looking. Part of it is also that the boyfriend has to believe he can be her personal Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 07:17 AM
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You don't presume they've been dating the woman they will marry for at least a couple of years? And that's assuming everyone marries or even has sexual partners...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 07:07 AM
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Most of my male friends at university had slept with 15-20 people by the time they were around 21-22 Yeah... that's far from a random sample... Even my manwhore Chadly friend didn't have 15 by age 22. Him and some other people I know got there eventually and are way past n=20 by now, but they're either Chads (specifically the kind of Chad who can't hold down a LTR), or people (mostly women) in poly arrangements.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 02:41 PM
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You can meet people other ways. Sure, but 5 new ones per year, for multiple years in a row, isn't something a guy will typically find in say, a sports club, again, unless he's Chad or is willing to do fat girls (and that's not counting all the social drama and the reputation you'd get from doing this outside of a party setting), and it's the same for Tinder really.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 02:33 PM
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It’s also pretty easy to sleep with, say, 5 people a year when you’re single and don’t really have anything against casual sex. If (as a guy) you live a party lifestyle, and are pretty good-looking or willing to sleep with fat women. That's a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 11:48 AM
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This (and FWB situations), OP can't be serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 07:26 AM
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How quickly does your perspective change of a woman after getting to know their personality? Very quickly when I don't like her personality. ​ Do looks matter as much as personality? I have a looks treshold, but probably one third of non-fat women make that treshold, for some of the other two-thirds I can see they'd be attractive to many other men, but they're just not my type. ​ But as to your main question: personality matters to me because I'm very picky about personalities (which is a proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 10:26 AM
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Yes, the more "danger" women perceive there to be in interacting with men, the more they conclude only Chad is worth the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 10:19 AM
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Besides the things already mentioned like the paradox of choice it's how women (I only have experience with women) construct your personality in their heads based on your appearance. If they find you attractive they assign positive traits to you that they personally prefer. This happens both IRL and in OLD, but it's more noticeable in OLD
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 08:05 AM
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There are plenty of female stalker/predatory types, like the jealous ex archetype. You're naive if you think otherwise. The male counterpart to hypergamy is polygamy: fucking women on the side while already in a relationship (well, wanting to anyway, most men never get the opportunity or have the morals not to do it because they don't want to hurt their partner).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 07:57 AM
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I have: prerequisites are that you don't want to date each other, the man can be sexually attracted to the woman but as long as it's only sexually, not emotionally and he's not too thirsty, that's no big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 07:55 AM
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Only one way to find out...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:22 PM
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Maybe the average guy is not that desperate, but there are a lot of men like this, and they are aggressive enough, that it affects most women. Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 07:33 AM
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Try tinder, you'll have more matches than Chad...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 07:31 AM
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Look, it's simple, the majority of men have lower standards than the majority of women, but not rock-bottom standards, a minority of men have rock-bottom standards and some of these men are quite attractive themselves and will gladly entertain multiple women at a time. Put it all together and yes, even your slightly below average looking, chubby, average IQ woman can have sex with more attractive men, occasionally even a Chad, pretty much at any time. Sometimes it takes having a fixed FWB or alc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 07:30 AM
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The chances of it happening are only a couple percent, but when it happens it's catastrophic. You might as well ask why women are scared of being raped in an alleyway at night because I don't know any women that happened to. This whole question is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 07:05 AM
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A couple of times back when I went to bars a lot and OLD apps didn't exist yet, and there was the time a girl in a club wanted to have a threesome with me and my ex-girlfriend who sadly vetoed our votes... Of course I've been chatted to many times more often but honestly most of the time when women do that they just want attention, even when your own female friends, in their naivete, tell you it's more than that (this also makes me skeptical of women saying things like "my average male friends d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 07:20 AM
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I can't think of anything, short of genetic engineering... Expectations created by OLD bleed into real life too, though not 100%, so I guess socializing with lots of single women in meatspace and looksmaxing will generally give the least worst outcomes, but most men will still have a disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 01:04 PM
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They have very little need for male validation and don't need to trap potential boyfriends with quick sex so they won't get into fuckzone situations and don't feel like they could miss out if they don't chase after any particular guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 12:43 PM
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This whole premise is meaningless: people take the red pill when they don't want relationships or believe they can't have happy relationships in the first place. It's like asking an atheist if they don't miss going to heaven while atheists are atheists because they don't believe heaven exists in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 12:37 PM
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There isn’t a single women I know who has gotten into a relationship with a man she didn’t find attractive just for money or resources. This is a bit of a strawman, though it does happen. More realistically a woman feels pressured into a relationship by family or because she's lonely, or she meets a guy she's not physically attracted to but he's not repulsive either and he'd make a good dad while she's in her thirties, or she's over 45 and divorced and now just wants a man for "companionship"...…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 11:10 AM
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I would have sympathy for C, D, and F, not for E, unless mental retardation is the reason she didn't abort her rapist's fetus. I still wouldn't date any of them though. ​ P.S. how is her being a widow supposed to make this more appealing for LTR? You'd be competing with a rose-colored image of a man who will always be younger than you and who can never make a mistake or get into a fight with her anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 10:57 AM
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No, my mom was the quintessential BPD crazy chick so I've always known those types are out there in a very real sense: as in, any girl you meet could be one of the crazy/damaged ones, and you can't "fix" them. I also never get feelings quickly so these factors combined mean I always vet extensively and if something does show up than that's final for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 10:49 AM
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Fair, but why would you assume it's from sex and not their own internal issues/trauma unrelated to sex? Usually they went and had sex with "a thousand cocks" because of those pre-existing issues. But that doesn't alter the conclusion that men should steer clear of these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 01:11 PM
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Best chance of long term success is probably the man being slightly more attractive with him having a strong emotional attachment to the woman. This satisfies her hypergamy and keeps him from moving on to greener pastures or cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 10:09 AM
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Some women really have this when they talk about sex. They're just completely detached, not even excited really, just detached. Usually they have severe sexual trauma and/or self-esteem, dependency, or substance abuse issues that make them crave sex with men for reasons other than love or her own pleasure. Of course on the internet there are incels or men who were cheated on who see it in every woman, that's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 06:58 AM
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Tell the hot ones they're smart, tell the smart ones they're beautiful But to be serious, telling random women they're beautiful only works when they don't hear it often (meaning they're ugly, or at least very frumpy), or when you're so incredibly hot yourself that anything you could have said would have worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 06:49 AM
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Just be handsome and they will make up your whole persona in their head. Harsh, but true most of the time...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 03:08 PM
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It has happened a couple of times, yes. But no, I'm not always up for sex: I can be tired or have some meeting I have to go to, and I won't have sex if I don't find her at least somewhat attractive, or if I she gives off bad vibes (the kind that make you think you're gonna get robbed by her cousins if you go to her place), or if she's dating someone who didn't agree to an open relationship (especially if I've met the guy). I think very few men are always up for sex, it's a sexist stereotype, sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 02:31 PM
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Ordered by importance: face, height, social status in the setting where they interact woth women, proximity to many single women or having really good picture on tinder, not having autism, having low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 09:30 AM
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I wouldn't either with a woman who had feelings for me. But not everyone thinks like that, I think a lot of people find excuses in their head for how they can't be 100% certain the other person has feelings for them so it's okay to accept their favors or attention and they don't feel awkward because they know they completely dominate the power dynamic between them and the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 10:52 PM
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What's the point of this thread other than throwing a lot of thinly veiled shaming tactics at the men here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 02:44 PM
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Hey, there's 8 billion people, I'm not surprised that exceptions exist, but it won't affect my life in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 02:41 PM
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Maybe it’s just me but if I’m not interested in a guy I won’t want to hang out with him. Plenty of women have male friends, so this is far from universal. And of course, because they have male friends and you don't, men are more likely to meet those women than you, just like women are relatively more likely to meet players than good guys because players approach more women. Beyond genuine friendships, women may want to collect men for favors, as a "safe" backup option, or for attention/validatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 10:23 AM
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It's like the prisoner's dilemma of relationships... Exactly, it's about two parties having to trust each other while both have an incentive to lie. It's refreshing to see a woman on PPD see it like that instead of some personal attack or misogyny. ​ Is waiting inherently off-putting and would you reconsider dating a woman who you entertained as a serious gf candidate if she didn't want to have sex early? Depends on what you mean by "early". My absolute max would be a month. Longer than that and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:00 AM
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It was a factor with one girl I broke up with after a couple of weeks, there are some others who pursued me but I ignored them, mostly for this reason. They just have too many issues... As I've said many times before: I've known dozens of high-n women and have yet to meet one who can maintain a functioning, monogamous LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 07:31 AM
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Casual sex is validating and frankly necessary once in a while for mental health reasons when single for over a year time, but relationship sex is better, provided she's actually into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 08:15 PM
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But Justin had a lot of resources available to protect himself. Does the average joe have the same kind of protection? No, but fortunately Average Joe is not a tempting target the way Bieber is (money and fame). Still, it takes only one angry BPD crazy chick to do Average Joe in, there's always that risk...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 08:12 PM
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I don't think so, women just have more tools at their disposal (makeup, shapewear, etc...) and men are thirsty. It would be interesting to hear what bisexual people would answer when makeup, etc... are removed from the equation, and if bisexual men and bisexual women would answer differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 03:20 PM
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Societies CAN even get around the problem of men wanting to drop out. For example by making social safety nets about having children instead of being means tested (forcing leftover men to work hard to survive), as well as raising wages in professions dominated by women. Such a system would lead to high rates of crime, drug use and poverty, and it would be institutionalized exploitation of men, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 11:17 AM
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It is the same experience women who do that have. I have been forward too, and it doesn't work in most cases. Of course it would fail most of the time: just because you're not deformed doesn't mean every guy wants to date you, guys want a compatible personality too, or they just have another physical type. But it would work more often than it would work for a guy who's comparable to you. Not that I advocated being very forward: just striking up a conversation or lowkey flirting can put the ball …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 11:01 AM
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I have a HVW: hot, funny, caring, exercises and eats healthy, loyal, in love with me, loves sex, supports me, is responsible, has a stable job, and puts in effort. Sure it's partly because I have my shit together, love conversation and can be charming, but it's also partly plain luck, me being 6ft tall and happening to be her type, and me choosing to overlook some things I don't like about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 10:10 AM
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The thing is women are usually picking from the men who approach them or express interest in them first. That's why it sounds passive to you in comparison to TRP advice for men. Maybe, but this could be part of their problem. Bad boys are more likely to be flirty and pursue multiple women at the same time while good guys might need some bit of flirting or even just conversation from her part before they start to pursue. Even if the good guy is confident he's more likely to care about compatibili…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 09:55 AM
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I like the parts about boundaries and listening to excuses, those are definitely helpful to women. On the other hand I don't like the overall passivity of changing how you come across in order not to get picked instead of changing who you pick yourself. I'm also afraid women picking up this advice end up "punishing" good guys for the behavior of her bad boy exes, leading to miserable relationships, or the good guys not wanting her anymore either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 08:54 AM
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I'm referring to the bubble burst in the early 90's. An even earlier loss, so even more time to recover from it. One of the contributions to the declining birth rate I pointed out from the start is literally a societal issue. You painted a picture of a zero-sum economy that can't create enough new jobs, even with a shrinking labor force, just because old people don't retire. Several European countries have created a labor shortage while they aged, increased the retirement age, and allow in legio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 07:04 PM
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I think many don't know because they think they have a very unique "type" and think other women have very diverse tastes. Then there's the group that denies it because they don't want it to be true, just like they make up excuses for some guy they're fucking who's obviously cheating on her or using her for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 06:57 PM
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This girl (Lets call her Hannah) has in the past, made all her boyfriends wait this long. She has had two previous boyfriends before you. This helps but how would I know this for sure in practice? And even if I did know for sure I would wonder if she even enjoys sex, would just starfish, or has issues that make her only date guys she's not really attracted to. So it doesn't seem like an appealing scenario for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 06:54 PM
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You're confusing cause and effect: It's been 23 years since the 1997 recession and many other Asian countries have soundidly recovered, so it's no excuse. There's a saying among economists: "There are four kinds of countries in the world: developed countries, undeveloped countries, Japan and Argentina" Japan and Argentina are different because of their societies, they have no other barriers that richer countries don't also face at least as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 02:58 PM
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Every societal change has its winners and its losers and there are usually undesirable side effects as well. Of course the group driving the change will profit (at least short term) and will become the new elite who controls the societal narrative about the change.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 12:43 PM
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Having a longer average life expectancy than most countries is great but if older people (already done with having kids) hoard the well-paying work and don't retire then the younger generations get screwed. That's voodoo-economics. In a healthy economy old people don't have to retire for young people to get jobs (especially when there's a low birthrate), new jobs can just be created, like in Denmark or the Netherlands. When this doesn't happen there are systemic societal issues at play, which mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 12:27 PM
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It's even more than women fighting over mates. It's also them fighting over status which includes things that they see as beauty and beauty standards but that don't matter to men (such as fashion trends and painted nails), and then men get blamed for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 11:03 AM
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Meanwhile a woman with a good heart but homely looks will be treated markedly worse than a pos woman who looks fantastic. This is femcel fodder. Women have to be butt-ugly to be treated worse than men by other men, or by women. Even then people are still nicer to ugly women than they are to men simply because most people subconsciously see women as less dangerous and more friendly than men (this is part of the tutorial mode experience, at least if you're not a very professionally ambitious woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 10:19 AM
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Assuming the view of the woman quoted by the OP, here's my answer: If it's the idea of NEVER wanting wild sex with the partner you love so much then I'm not sure even the typical woman understands, well, at least outside of having mental issues feeling ashamed for having wild sex, which both men and women can understand but men (and probably most women too) don't prefer such partners. If it's about making the man you love more wait because you are afraid of losing him or nervous or something lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 10:10 AM
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What's funny is that their feminists complain all the time about high standards being placed on women The high standards exist for women, but they come from film, fashion, and other women (FSM). They mistakenly think this is what men require of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 04:24 PM
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> Most human trafficking is actually for slave labour Yeah, but some wrinkly brown man toiling away his days in a sweatshop for 80 hours a week just isn't as exciting a rallying cause as an innocent, pretty white girl being forced to have sex with ugly men, now is it? Who cares if the former is a lot more common and realistic than the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 03:47 PM
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If you think Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are internet strangers... sure, go ahead, I won't interfere with your confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 03:42 PM
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I really believe that this is always the case for women who consistently pick abusive or ain't shit partners I disagree with this part. It's staying with these men that indicates daddy issues, but picking them in the first place can result from her being very boring herself or perceiving "assholeness" as confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 09:32 AM
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"Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited.... We actually don't know this. The "fight" against human trafficking is so heavily influenced by ideology and virtue signalling, including relying on anti-prostitution NGOs for numbers, that there are few reliable figures out there, especially for comparison between countries, let alone pertaining to trafficked prostitutes specifically (the fact that "huma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 09:28 AM
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Women won't stand for it because it lowers the price of pussy, for all men. Women have the same visceral disgust of prostitution (well, female prostitution, but that's what we're talking about here anyway) that men have of AFBB. Even if every single prostitute made $1 million per year, were confirmed nymphos, only had Chadly clients, and had an army of her own bodyguards and therapists with her at all times women would find a way to claim these prostitutes are victims and prostitution should be …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 09:07 AM
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Where does this fallacy come from that hot girls like bad boys more than plain or ugly girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 09:13 AM
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Yes, to some degree it's cultural. I think there are two components to this: 1) tall men seem more ubiquitous than they really are because online dating gives women a false sense of abundance and because tall white or black men are everywhere in popular media 2) the less women need men with high incomes or who won't hit them everyday, the more having a man becomes about superficial traits that women can also show off to their friends
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 07:31 AM
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No, you're still assuming the man has other, and better, options. He may just not like the women who like him, even if they're perfectly respectful and reasonable towards him. So any relationship he could get into would be one where he's with someone he doesn't like and that will inevitably feel like a burden eventually. That man is better off (though not necessarily happy) staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 02:04 PM
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1) favoring genetic naturals (just like women prefer natural alphas and naturally tall men) 2) we tend to like some makeup (for me it's makeup to do with the eyes and eyelashes), while the rest of it seems off-putting cakeface stuff to us 3) some men can't spot makeup on a woman to begin with, the same way some women think men are just born with muscles or get them from playing soccer once in a while
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 07:24 AM
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You can't negotiate attraction, and that goes both ways (who says they man is attracted to an easy to get along with woman who's attracted to him), so no, it's not solvable for everyone and even when it is it may feel like a burden because some women are so difficult the man needs to expend a lot of his energy on MRP trickery to keep the relationship alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 07:17 AM
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Relationships aren't a burden. Oh but they definitely can be if you're in a relationship with a woman who isn't right for you, or even with one who is okayish for you. A sizeable minority of men can only, or mostly, get these relationships (they're low value or like specific traits that are rare) so they'll grow to see relationships as burdens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 03:43 PM
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In relative terms they're less likely to use sex as a tool than plain women, that's just a fact. Whether you think the remaining ones are still "many" in an absolute sense is another thing. P.S. it is actually possible to have fantastic sex in a committed relationship and attractive women have that abundant mindset because they expect to be able to get commitment from an attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 12:42 PM
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Maybe you can find some middle ground: an educated Muslim woman from overseas who understands English, is not too poor and genuinely likes you but who still has mainly traditional values and doesn't worship whiteness. You probably won't find her through an arranged marriage though: you're going to have to use a dating site (not app) or meet her in person in her country of origin.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 10:57 AM
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Not buying it... A not-so attractive (but certainly not fugly), chubby female friend of mine gets tinder matches with hot guys all the time and most message her first. She's bisexual so she can compare it with her female matches. The difference is massive, definitely more than the active userbase numbers would suggest. She doesn't sleep with all of these guys but that's mostly because she's picky on their personalities (she doesn't like it when they're too dumb). These guys are more attractive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 09:18 AM
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Never happened to me (yet). There have been women I only wanted for sex, but I knew that before I had sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 01:33 PM
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I don't know... women take out 100k loans for an Art History degree or a designer handbag...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 08:09 PM
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These women often had psychological problems. Your point being? 1 in 6 American women (and it's not that much less in Western Europe) are on anti-depressants alone...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 08:49 PM
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Oh, I understand, I prefer getting to know each other first as well, but I doubt most men do and I know for a fact most women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 05:55 PM
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Yeah, if I had a dollar for every time I saw a couple on a date where the woman admires his perfect jawline while he's looking bored, keeping the conversation short and counting down the minutes until het gets to have sex with her... Women can simp just as hard as any man. It's ironic this became a heated discussion on purplepilldebate because it's actually one of those areas where men and women are more similar than dissimilar.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 03:02 PM
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It's always good to ask for the opinions of your friends, they very often have your best interest in mind and are open to help you. Yeah, they're usually helpful, just don't listen to the bitter ones :-) I just don't think it weeds out 100% of players. True, some are just too good, though we also have to remember sometimes they're not players and really did have good intentions but just changed their mind or found out something about you that's a deal breaker to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 02:56 PM
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According to these guys no one will ever be good enough - love them dearly, but if I were to take their advice to heart I’d be 10x pickier than I already am, and men on the internet are already likely to say my standards are too high. There's a difference between not liking someone and claiming they're cheating players. And who says you shouldn't have higher standards for personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 02:30 PM
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Or you can just have genuine friendships with people who don't have feelings for you, or just admit you don't want solutions because complaining or being blissfully ignorant for a while feels better. Oscar-worthy players are rarer than hen's teeth, you just don't want to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 02:21 PM
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Man, you really are doing the Lord's work!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 02:17 PM
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Not sure what your point is. It's an individual decision, no one is obliged to do this, it just makes them insufferable whiners when they complain about being used or tricked if they don't take simple steps to augment their obviously faulty intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 02:15 PM
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Tbh, I think the men around me have much better things to do than assess the level of douchebagery of every man I'm attracted to Why wouldn't they want to help you with this (assuming you don't have a new guy every week)? Are they really your friends? but what makes you sure you can detect every player beyond the obvious ones I can't sniff out 100% of them, but I'm confident I can sniff out most, so can many other men, I've been right many times, and have not yet been wrong even once. I ask my f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 01:19 PM
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You think, but really all your doing is avoiding any guy who poses even a potential risk. No, we can tell from the way he looks at her, how he talks, etc... (he can be a player towards one girl and be a simp for another). And yes, filtering them out often leaves more unattractive guys, but that's the cold hard truth of the world, I can understand choosing to rather be blissfully ignorant, but then don't turn around and say there's no way to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 01:11 PM
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Why not make an example? Get hurt by one guy, and afterwards learn your lesson, and unless the dude shows clear intent he wants to be with you, don't give up the goods. Simple and easy. It's not that hard to read what a guy wants. That would be really painful for the ego, it's easier to believe the guy was a genius manipulator, or that all men are pigs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 01:06 PM
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99% of them do just that, they're too stupid or too cocky to hide it. Your male friends or brothers will sniff them out in a heartbeat, the question is not if it's hard to recognize players, the question is if you want to hear the truth about a guy you're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 01:03 PM
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you get to know a person a lot better before springing a move. Casual banter and flirting goes a long way in seeing if someone is interested in you. It doesn't with women, so if the dating roles were reversed it might not with men. You'd have all these men with friendzoned female orbiters who give him validation and/or favors, and you'd get men complaining they can't be "friendly" to women without those women thinking it means he wants to sleep with her. Other men would say things like "a "real …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 08:33 AM
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No, there's no conscious effort, women are just more likely to appeal to group enforcement (shaming and outlawing), this goes for all facets of life (which is a bias in existing democracies).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 08:27 AM
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The point is Becky shouldn't hold out for Chad, that would just end in disappointment, but Stacey absolutely can get her fairytale wedding with Chad. Becky shouldn't have to go for a 2/10 either if she's got something to offer, but a 2/10 and 5/10 man are almost equally without options, that's where this comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 08:19 AM
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Also have you noticed that slutty chicks are usually very feminine and girly? Are you serious? The more she says "I prefer male friends" and the fatter she is the more likely she's a slut. Hot, thin and feminine women are less slutty because they don't need validation from random men and can easily get themselves a handsome boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 08:14 AM
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The "alpha" is the one that is made to wear a latex bag on his dick and dump his genetic materials in the trash. The "beta" on the other hand, is the one that the female chooses as the only person she will ever have sex with from the time she falls in love with him. He is the one who she intentionally reproduces with. Why are you assuming she falls in love with the beta, never cheats and that the kids were fathered by the beta, not Chad? That's an optimistic scenario that doesn't sound much like…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 06:23 PM
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Most men never experience that, they have to lower their standards for casual sex if they can get casual sex at all. But I really do think men and women are different in the sense that men are less likely to be emotionally attracted to women they find hot but who lack all the traits they want in a girlfriend. Women get hooked on Chad because he's not just more handsome than her boyfriends but also taller, more DGAF, comes across as more masculine, etc..., so they really do respect him more (I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 12:36 PM
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I don't feel like it either, but we're all different and these guys need to be validated by female attention. They're also lazy, being Chads used to 5s and 6s hitting on them all the time so they're actually not really that motivated/confident to chase 8s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 09:03 AM
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I know two guys who do this and they're straight up Chads too and do get hot girls just as often. Sure they have issues with validation and impulse control, but that's irrelevant. What's relevant is that there are enough good-looking guys who are like this that it's easy for the average single woman to come across them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:20 AM
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Yeah, not much to disagree with here, and the same goes for all parts of life, such as the workplace. Sniffing out psychos is a useful lifeskill and it can be learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 06:51 PM
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Whenever a woman tells me about her "asshole" or "abusive" exes I don't take it that seriously unless I know the guy and know he is indeed an asshole or if they come up with specific things he did. I'm the same with guys who complain about "clingy" or "crazy" exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 06:48 PM
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> As a woman I can't imagine having sex with a man I did not find attractive So you believe all those women dating/marrying ugly/fat guys are somehow attracted to these guys? Do you really believe that ugly people have some superpower where they can be physically attracted to other ugly people? If you consider >50% of men in your age range completely unfuckable it takes some major just-world mental gymnastics to believe that some unseen "other" woman will find even the ugliest of those men physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:27 PM
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He doesn't have to handle it, he's allowed to have any and all standards he wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 01:29 PM
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Common pink pills: - men are polygamous (they're not polyamorous, which is an important distinction, but hard to understand for women), they'll always want to have sex with other women - men are physically attracted to a much narrower age range than women are - men will dumpster dive for easy sex - people are nicer to young, non-fugly women because they want things from them - men aren't afraid of committing, they just don't want to commit to specific women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 01:27 PM
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I disagree, it's more often about her issues than about him being high value. In the case when he is a broke Chad he might be able to bag a hotter chick, but would lose the treatment he's used to, if he can get her to stick around at all (Chad has to work for Stacey).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 12:13 PM
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Just considering all the fat slobs and saggy elderly people in relationships I can't wrap my head around people who deny many people are in relationships with people they're not physically attracted to... I'd say even under 40 at least half of women and a quarter of men aren't physically attracted to their partners, though some of them used to be when they first met. Some of these people do love each other romantically and don't resent their partners, but come on, let's not pretend a 1 dating an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 10:38 AM
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Well, like I said, you're one of the lucky ones, partially because you got commitment from a guy you really like and partially because you recognized a good thing when it was in front of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 07:51 AM
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Which part?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 07:48 AM
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I disagree, he's probably a skilled player: as a 5 he needs more than just looks and charms to get a 4 to have casual sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 07:47 AM
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A man who can get casual sex based on his looks and charms alone, with women who aren't cavetrolls, and the stars don't have to align for this to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:54 PM
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It happens. She's the caring/fixer type with self-esteem issues. The man can be good-looking, or aggressive, or be so unstable that she's afraid he won't make it without her help (Becky isn't necessarily still attracted to him). It's less common than betabuxx and different in the sense that the man didn't settle for her, she's the best he can get and he probably knows it, even if he doesn't act like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:42 PM
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no. all of my oneitises were women with whom I previously had relationships, and where they subsequently lost interest. How is that different from normal young love where we often overlook red flags? I saw them as another person until I got oneitis. then I stopped treating them the same. I put them on a pedestal, usually unintentionally Just like "normal" guys, I mean I think most guys see most women as just regular people, but the women they like as mysterious, special people that they put on p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:32 PM
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The not having been in love part.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:18 PM
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What I mean is that it's not hypocritical to want something in your opposite-sex partner that you lack yourself if it's something that is generally different between the sexes. Height is an example, so is muscle mass or having casual sex (which is far easier for men to have with no attachment whatsoever, partially because men are unlikely to have casual sex with women who are more attractive than their girlfriends or wives). I do think relationship minded women should avoid manwhores because man…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:17 PM
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No, men and women are different and (on average) have different pair-bonding mechanisms. Just like women aren't hypocrites for wanting men who are taller than them. Of course the smart men know to keep this shit to themselves, or say it anonymously online.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 03:47 PM
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Hmm I think it speaks to a certain trend for sure. That these stories keep blowing up in the manosphere. Of course there is some self-selection. We're on the internet: many of us have nerdy inclinations and/or bad experiences. Point is it doesn't matter if, say, "only" 30% of women practices AFBB because we're individuals, not averages. I know I have nerdy interests, a well-paying STEM job, am relationship oriented and stable. So yeah, I'm a prime target for women looking to AFBB. I'm just good-…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 03:26 PM
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for the record, yes, he's also hot Congrats for getting commitment from a hot guy and being mentally healthy enough to be attracted to an available, stable man, just don't assume all women are that lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 03:12 PM
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You act like there aren’t men everywhere With a shrill nagging harpy yelling at them every second. I don't, that's your imagination wanting me to act like that, and even if it was true it would be irrelevant whataboutism that's useless to a woman wanting advice on how to vet men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 12:26 PM
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in a relationship both parties benefit from this, not something a male provides a female. Women have much more trouble getting commitment from men who sleep with them than the other way around, and when it does happen there's always the chance that his availability will make him unattractive to her, that's hardly a revolutionary insight. I'm not in a BB relationship, but I've certainly seen and heard it around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 11:47 AM
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I'm 32, so yes, old enough. BB isn't so much about money anymore (though it can be for single moms) but about comfort, stability and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:38 AM
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Lol, no just don't accept anything less than straight answers, don't let yourself be pressured into having sex, have male friends or relatives vet him (we can smell a player from a mile away, the same way a man's female friends can often smell a ho or a crazy bitch from a mile away), and most importantly: listen to people who warn you about him. This way you can easily avoid 99% of players, fuckbois, psychos and married men looking to cheat. Or you can just ignore all of this advice and be bliss…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:28 AM
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So basic answer: there is nothing you can do because male nature is not easily influenced. You have to choose a man good enough for this purpose. Men's degree of how much they like you is entirely dependent on his individual personality. Some men you could practically sacrifice you life for, and they'd barely look your way, others will adore you for no reason. Yep, couldn't have said it better myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 08:30 PM
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Choose/vet the right men in the first place...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 08:28 PM
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This is human_centric BS. It's just like all those people who say humans are an exceptionally violent species when humans are actually incredibly cooperative and peaceful compared to most other species. Because we are actually peaceful we set a very high, biased bar for ourselves without realizing it and then think we're worse than the average. ​ Humans are very much monogamous, sure we have cheats, freeloaders and "deviants", but so do species which we all see as monogamous (such as birds). The…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 09:34 AM
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No, that's a bias in our historical framing. Rich or good-looking men had a mistress, most men didn't. In fact the group of men who never married was probably larger than the group of men who had mistresses. Prostitution was rampant and was accessible to even poor men, but mistresses were not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 09:14 AM
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Yes, it's real and quite common. Of course it's most often not a conscious process. Women will often say their tastes have "matured", but then after a couple of glasses of wine they start spilling the beans how they wish their "wonderful" boyfriend is "too respectful", not hands on enough, how they barely have sex these days and how they didn't find him attractive at first, all the while you never hear them say these things about their "asshole"/"abusive" exes (who just happened to be good-looki…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 08:55 AM
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No, OP is far more detached than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:46 AM
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Do you think you would have called a oneitis "love" if one of them had liked you back? Do you think you saw the women you had oneitis for as not just "another person"? Did you treat them the same as your male friends? I think not having been in love when you're past college age is definitely not the experience of the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:43 AM
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@OP With what you describe I'm curious... Have you ever been in love with a woman, and if so, why those specific women and what does "love" mean to you? My pet theory is a portion of men never experiences oneitis, not even in a mild form, and this, along with the way their mother behaved, is the deciding factor in how they view women (natural Chads being a rare exception).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 06:04 PM
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I'm purple, but I'll answer anyway. The things I do are 1) putting in enough masculinity tokens to stay afloat, 2) frame it as a problem I'm working on and then actually doing something to overcome the problem, and 3) not date women who need a man to pick up the slack for her not being an adult and would panic if their man wasn't there 24/7 to stoically solve her problems for her (just like those women who need a dark triad man because they're boring AF and have no initiative themselves). That s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 05:31 PM
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Yep, preselection in general isn't something I've found in mainstream advice, though it's not unique to RP since PUAs also use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:51 PM
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Pretty sure this only works for men who are good-looking or famous...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:47 PM
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No, I would like to be able to switch it off for individual women, not for all women at once. I already don't feel much for the vast majority of women even if they are sexually attractive to me and have proven themselves to really be there for me. I'm more picky than most women. It sucks, unless you're one of those people with an extremely avoidant attachment style, or if you are an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:46 AM
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Because it can help you land a man who you find attractive and who will stick around when you're older because he has emotionally bonded to you (and your kids). Even if you don't want that life then female beauty is important to gain status among female hierarchies (like a workplace with many female colleagues) and beauty can get you casual sex with hotter men or make people be nicer/more accommodating to you. I'm sure you care about at least one of these things, otherwise you wouldn't care enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:01 AM
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Be realistic (take a good look at what your real dealbreakers are what are just preferences), judge each man on his own merits (he is not your ex), and ask male relatives/friends you trust to vet him for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 03:05 AM
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He is a young 25 years old Indian-American guy with 5'2" height, working as a janitor. He posted his pictures on /r/rateme and got a rate of 3.5/10 but had absolutely 0 success on Tinder. He also has a slight Indian accent Ouch... "Get off OLD, move to India and get plastic surgery"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 11:09 AM
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Style. Important for women. Clothes are a key way to express themselves. Less important for men. It can help with attracting women of specific sub cultures. But don't forget men usually want to cast a wide net due to difficulties in dating. There's no point impressing a skater girl if it leads to 5 other women dismissing your dress sense as juvenile. This part doesn't get the recognition it deserves! Style is divisive, that can be a good thing in a diverse environment but you can't blame guys fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 07:13 AM
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Another way of accomplishing goals would be re-framing through social justice movements. For example, saying that men of color are treated poorly by white women could give society more protections for due process. Let's hope so. The sentencing disparity between men and women is partially responsible for the high number of black men in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 07:04 AM
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So you live in some magical place where it's rare to see a fat woman or a woman with an ugly (to men) hairstyle or with leathery skin or baggy clothes? Yeah right... Or are you just counting young, childless single women who go to clubs (though plenty of them are still fat and have bad skin), in which case it's not fair to compare them to all men... ​ often these days fillers/botox Those look horrible 99% of the time, though some younger guys have become desensitized to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 06:04 PM
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Do most guys do even 1/3 of these things? No. Most women don't do 1/3rd of these things, or the female equivalent of these things, either. In fact I'd say most of what women do is either meant for other women or it's actually some way to not have to put in the hard work that would take care of the root of the problem (the hard work being exercise, proper nutrition, making time for sleep, staying away from cigarettes, alcohol and other drugs).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 08:32 AM
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I particularly hate how people act like what women do with their appearance isn't mostly to compete in the FSM. Also, it's BS that most women take great care of their appearance: a woman who's overweight and looks like a Karen isn't taking care of her appearance just because she goes to the hair salon twice a month and paints her nails. Also 99% of skincare is snake oil.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 07:46 AM
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If you’re a man, if you’re lean, at least 5’10” and have a decent amount of muscle, you’re at least a 7.5/10. No, face is also very important.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:21 PM
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I'm 31 and women my age can still be very attractive to me, but I know that when I'm 50 I'll definitely find 24 year old women more attractive than 50 year old women, that's just biology. There are lots of reasons not to date a 24 year old woman when you're a much older man (assuming you would even have that opportunity), but physically those young women will always be the most attractive to us. I imagine it's a bit less pronounced for women but that at the end of they day a 60 year old woman wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:19 PM
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I didn't say they can't, but they, especially the men, have a lot fewer people to choose from and casual sex is much harder to get for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:12 PM
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Sure, looks are king, but autism and related personality traits definitely cockblock a lot of men too. A 10/10 man who's autistic will occasionally get laid by some 6/10 woman who takes all the initiative, but he's missing out on a lot of chances with other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 06:15 AM
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Yeah, pretty much... It is what it is...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:20 PM
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Many women are turned off by play boy types. In theory, but not in practice. If he's super hot and/or has many other women after him chances are he's high-n and also not likely to ever commit to you. Women know this, deep down, but they often ignore it, that's what has OP wondering.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 12:01 PM
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In women's (subconscious) mind Chad is worth the risk, and if women slept more with average men they'd have even more STDs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 11:57 AM
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Fear of pregnancy and STDs IS a reason women don't sleep with more men. They only want to take those risks for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 10:53 AM
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Well, for me it's not crossdressing, but to each their own, so more power to you! I know I have a very divisive face, I'm 6ft tall and do have the jaw and cheekbones but not in a very conventionally attractive way. Some women, including some incredibly hot ones (like my girlfriend who messaged me first on a dating app), absolutely love it and literally say I look so manly and unique and that's what first drew them to me. They're a pretty random bunch and with those women I don't seem to have a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 07:15 AM
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This calls into question just how attractive he actually is to women generally. No, if he's a good-looking dude he knows he can date hot girls but has to ask them out, so some fat chick giving him her phone number won't "count" for him, unless he's looking to dumpster dive on the down-low.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 10:30 AM
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On average sluts are less better looking. The more attractive a woman the less (on average) she'll have problems getting commitment from the men she wants. Sluts use sex as a strategy, to trick men into giving her commitment (which hardly ever works) or validation. They're more often overweight or basic Beckies chasing Chads. Sure there are some sluts who are just wired that way and as a group have the same average attractiveness as non-slutty women but they're a minority and on average cancel o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 07:58 AM
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I asked because liking beards is usually a sign of liking men who look a bit older (over 25). That's why I disagree with the OP: there are so many women into beards and rugged man, etc... and that pretty much excludes young guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 07:27 PM
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Dutchie, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 03:36 PM
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Just the other day I was discussing with an acquaintant of mine who is a high value man and he basically let it slip that he dumped a girl because they did everything on the first date and he felt that there was no use in pursuing her anymore. He admitted it. What makes him so high value? Sounds like he possibly has issues (maybe a Stacey-widower because of some hot but crazy ex) that would be problematic in a relationship (of course that might not prevent women from thinking he's high value, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 03:29 PM
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Okay, I must have confused you with someone else. Next question, do you or your friends like men with beards?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 03:24 PM
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Aren't you 19 or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 11:48 AM
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Whose "ideal woman"? And yeah, I recognize many young women do like young prettyboys. Older women just don't like young prettyboys, in fact a sizeable minority of young women don't either. Probably because men lose their fertility more slowly than women and gain status/resources as they get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 10:54 AM
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Disagree. Why? 80/20 is for casual sex (including FWB). Cheating =/= casual sex. Cheating can be a single woman trying to steal another woman's betabuxx, or a married woman trying to secure her next beta before divorcing her current one, or a married man with a deadbedroom or a mean wife falling in love with a Becky who's nice to him. In fact I think these scenarios are much more likely than cheating in a casual sex way. I think it about evens out between men and women, and the difference betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 10:48 AM
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6'0", 160 pounds, swimmer's body with barrel chest, but ironically I mostly got there through climbing, not swimming. Got somewhat of a square jaw and cheek bones. People think I'm latino but I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 08:45 PM
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Good one... No, I mean when women who are over 25 fawn over Idris Elba or Robert Downey Jr. Most women I've known prefer them over a young Orlando Bloom, most women don't actually like young guys much, even if they're prettyboys. You may be different but you can't just say you represent the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 08:33 PM
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Many women actually say they don't care about grey hair or crow's feet on men or even find those things attractive. I wonder how old OP is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 10:25 AM
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Even promiscuous men don't like promiscuous women for relationships while obviously every promiscuous woman wants men to not care about female promiscuity, so theoretically it could easily be true that fewer women are promiscuous but more women think men should accept promiscuous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 10:21 AM
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(until high school) That's your answer right there. These girls didn't have dating apps and cared more about your popularity than your looks because they were kids. Sex ratios have nothing to do with it: the Eastern Bloc has more women overall because so many adult men drink themselves to death or work in other countries, but that doesn't affect the sex ratio among kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 10:17 AM
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Well, I mean ultimately we could genetically engineer ourselves to be more content with less, once our descendants get uploaded into the cloud they could even be on a permanent supply of virtual heroin or be reprogrammed to be perfect buddhists without attachments I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 01:18 PM
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Not sure it would solve the problem instead of just leading to more or bigger (soft) harems. In any case within a few generations genetic engineering can change everything by making men less thirsty or by making everyone a natural Chad/Stacey.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 08:05 AM
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Yes, in general life is easier as a woman unless you're very professionally ambitious. Thing is Western culture encourages women to believe they're more ambitious than they really are (obligatory disclaimer: of course there are exceptions among women and most men aren't really that ambitious either) so more women are miserable than need to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 07:14 PM
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We do take care of our appearance a bit more, sure, but not nearly as much as Americans believe, it's mostly a stereotype. Same way most Italian/French/Spanish men don't look anything like American romantic stereotypes about these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 07:10 PM
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Am European, used to be fat as a kid, lived in the US for a while and I say the OP is BS. America's has a problem with portion sizes (and free refills), and it's car culture, it's not because of chemicals and antibiotics that Americans are so fat, though those things do cause other problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 07:07 PM
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No, but once I left my tinder profile on women AND men for a couple of days just to see what would happen since I often got approached by gay men in clubs and bars. And damn, men are thirsty AF in OLD, the gay Chads included. Man, sometimes I wish I was gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 07:04 PM
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Young girls are much happier to sit still, listen to everything the teacher says, take detailed notes and study hard to do things exactly like the teacher says. Boys are more likely get restless, want to do something, and hate rules they see as pointless (the classic example being "show your work on this problem") Yes, that's the crux of it. Girls are much more likely to want to please authorities and to be more disciplined in making homework and studying without needing a strong male role model…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 06:57 PM
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Yes, I have, in a way. It was not so much in university because I was in a STEM field and always was good at having friendships with girls. But in high school the assignments were definitely set up in a way that favors girls (my drive to get out of my shitty town and make something out of myself barely won out against my hormone-fueled teenage rebelliousness against making homework and properly studying by myself) and this was 15 years ago in a school that was old-fashioned for the time. From wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 06:49 PM
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Exactly. They were always just too damaged as people too have a functioning LTR with, that's why they sleep around instead of having relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 02:10 PM
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Yes, I've known a lot of promiscuous women and always had a lot of female friends in general and all the promiscuous women have massive issues, most just can't keep a monogamous relationship for more than a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 11:37 AM
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Assuming OP is writing in good faith... I'll try to explain. ​ They try and cite legitimate reasons such as it being their desire to make sure their offspring is theirs, even though those kind of scenarios are unbelievably rare. Getting cucked or deadbedroomed is certainly not rare under the relevant circumstance of a man (especially a non-dark triad and non-Chadly man) committing to a promiscuous woman. This is what counts, not how prevalent these things are in the general population. This is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:07 AM
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Reddit counts lurkers and even occasional readers as "being part of a sub". You could literally be a TRPer and fish FDS for example posts to rant on and reddit would say you're part of the FDS sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:40 AM
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Girls are obviously allowed to dress however they want. But I think its disrespectful to dress like you're single when you're in a relationship. I disagree here: if she dresses up for her partner that's actually a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:36 AM
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I don't know what OP is talking about: every day I see lots of men with hats, beards and sunglasses that they clearly wear as a form of male make up. Also, skincare is snake oil, face make up IS seen as gay by most adult women, while exercising, not binging on sugary things and getting a good haircut are things men have been recommending to each other for ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:00 AM
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Laughs in European...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 10:42 AM
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Op answered his own question already: those hypotheses are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:03 AM
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Stefan's roleplayed response is "But honey, I want to treat you with respect, and #metoo and everything..." This is the crux (pun very much intended) of the matter. Society lies to boys and young men and so many boys have no male role model to properly teach them the nuances and when society is virtue signalling. Poor Stefan probably has it in him somewhere, but he needs to be deprogrammed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:53 AM
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The disgust men feel is an evolved response that exists precisely because men who don't feel that disgust are more likely to get cucked or end up with BPD crazy chicks who will ruin his social standing through lying or fail at properly raising their children. It's not hamstering when it's actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 02:20 PM
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Most young single women will be on these apps at some point, it's not a niche thing. Thing is women will leave these apps once they're in a relationship, think they're in a relationship, or have a Chadly FWB. Some men stay on these apps even when they're in a relationship and definitely if they have a FWB or are plating. Older men are also more likely to dabble than older women. Add to this that there are some women who are scared of anonymous dating and women who have so many Chadly contacts IR…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 07:23 AM
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You can be a very fit and ripped guy without a perfect six-pack, that's partially genetic or you can have just one inch of loose skin that stops you from having that perfect six-pack.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:48 AM
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I also heard that only 15% of men are 6 ft or taller which is generally what the cut off for being considered tall in the West tends to be. That got me thinking of how small the number must be of men who are tall AND smart AND physically appealing to women. He doesn't have to be smart if he's tall and handsome. My guess is the top 80th to 90th percentiles are Chadlites, Niche-Chads or "doable" in the eyes of women, the 90th to 95th percentiles are Chads and the 95th to 100th are Gigachads who ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:45 AM
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If the question from the OP comes it's already too late. The best thing is to prevent becoming an alpha widow in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:36 PM
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No, men who don’t know any women constantly assume that women don’t understand fitness. Fit Girls™ understand how hard it is and that actually makes them less inclined to go "perfect 6-pack abs or GTFO" than many chubby Basic Beckies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:36 PM
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If you have good facial bones you will look good both lean and overweight. No, you just won't look like absolute shit when overweight, but being lean is noticeably better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:32 PM
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They have great sex with someone --> They have a strong bond with them Agree, but I would change it to They find someone hot --> They (think they) have a strong bond with them It's not just sex-starved simps, women do this all the time and it's awkward AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 12:17 PM
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BS. You may be skinny, but the guy from the pic has pecs and biceps, you can only grow those through strength training. Strength training doesn't have to be the gym, it can be heavy physical labor or a sport like climbing, but hiking won't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 12:11 PM
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Yeah exactly, that made a mjaor difference for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:41 AM
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As long as the body fat is low you're already a 10 in body shape. Guys who only do jogging or football or swimming and they don't even do it more than a couple of times a week, and exclusively for fun, not for physique. This is weapons-grade BS. Men don't just get the "swimmer's body" from swimming or playing football twice a week. That would just make them lean and unremarkable, they have to do strength training and often watch their diets too. If you don't do roids than a swimmer's body IS wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:40 AM
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The model guy in the first picture had to lift weights (and probably do other sports too) for years to look like that. Most women have no idea how much effort goes into a body like that. A woman who thinks men just look like that without spending years in the gym is just as ridiculous as men thinking women wake up in the morning with smokey eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:40 AM
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Mostly they're physically unattractive (short and ugly face) and/or have autism. Some live in rural places where there are many more single men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 07:56 PM
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BPD girls aren't for relationships, I hope you learned that lesson.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 12:23 PM
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ok. well I would like to live in a community where everyone has a place to sleep. I would not like to live in a community where women have to have unwanted sex. Strawman on two fronts. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to live in a community where the government can order you to take a homeless person into your home so why make the ridiculous comparison you just made? A better comparison would be legalized prostitution, or public funding for cosmetic surgery for men who were extremely unlucky in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 09:36 AM
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I can't say that for you, maybe you are, maybe you're not. The fact you're even introspecting on this sets could be something that sets you apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 03:48 PM
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Lol, women project "good" personality traits onto me because I'm 6ft tall with a jawline and muscles. I'm not an asshole but I'm not as nice or stable as they think I am. I also don't have the deep emotional/intellectual connection to them they think I do, I wish I did because that's what I'm looking for, but the truth is I just like conversing with people which gives them the wrong impression that I'm that one special person who shares their unconventional interests. I don't chase thots, I actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 02:50 PM
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I'm not American so I can't relate to the zip code thing. I own a house that I'll be living in whether or not I'll have kids. I have no desire to be single. I just believe marriage should always come with prenups, and even then I'm in no hurry to get married. Thankfully prenups have more legal validity here than in the US and there's far less societal pressure to get married (none of that "forever girlfriend" BS).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 02:41 PM
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Lol, kids take way more than half your income when they are young Are you really poor or just an American who wants to send their kids to some overpriced private school? Most couples buy their house together and many couples earn similar incomes Lifetime incomes are still widely dissimilar and what does the average mean anyway for guys like me and others here who know they make more money than almost all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 12:38 PM
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Nice ad hominem. FWIW, I have no problems getting women and I still believe this. Women project all kinds of personality traits on me that I don't possess or that they can't know about because they don't know me well. Sure, there are women who care about a good personality, but they're a minority compared to the women who don't care/who project whatever personality they want to see/who fall for bad boys. I'm not saying men are better, it just is what it is... Of course you know this instinctivel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 12:35 PM
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Why? Kids can't decide to leave you and take half your income, your house and your pension.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 11:11 AM
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I don't understand this: the man could be 100% on board with commitment but still be afraid that you will change in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:56 AM
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Somewhat pretty with make up, maybe a bit chubby, or very skinny. She's insecure about her looks and her achievements (which are nothing special but also nothing to be ashamed of). She will occasionally catch Chad's eye and she's very vulnerable to his attention because she's not ugly enough to know he only wants sex and not pretty enough to not be impressed by Chad being Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:53 AM
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That's because it barely is a factor, assuming she already has friends whose personality she likes. Of course personality can indirectly make a difference for a bottom 80% man when his personality gives him status among other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:48 AM
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As a man you can definitely leverage intelligence to date women because you can use it to be witty, talk to her in-depth (compared to other men) about a subject she cares about (making her think you two have a "connection"), and by pursuing studies or careers that other man respect (which enhances your status). Very few women care about your intelligence itself, even if they are very intelligent, but it's not useless in dating if you apply it the right way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 07:37 PM
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How can it actually be worse? If you don't like sex outside relationships you can always choose to just not do that, and chances are that after a couple of years without sex you would consider casual sex with a person who's hot enough, an option you wouldn't have if no one wanted to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 08:24 AM
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This is hilarious. Rationally being wanted only for sex can't be worse than not being wanted for anything at all, it has to be better, even if you just want to get your freak on once a year with a ridiculously Chad or Stacey, and even if you never, ever, want to have casual sex it's only equally bad. People who answered that being wanted for sex is worse are virtue signalling or just can't fathom never being wanted for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 08:19 AM
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Two words : Dunning Kruger. Yes, this is it. Confidence is magnetic, even if it's not based in reality, men fall for this as well when they choose to blindly follow a leader.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 08:10 AM
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Not just the ones with low SMV, the ones with mid-tier SMV too, probably worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:41 PM
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It's at least as hard for men to get relationships (relationships where the woman is at the very least somewhat sexually attracted to him) because she first has to want to have sex with you to have a relationship with you. I give you that it might be harder for women to keep a man long term (longer than a year).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 08:33 AM
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You still have to test the relationship (and her) for a couple of years, so yeah, it starts getting dicey when you meet her at age 30, sad but true...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 09:03 AM
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One woman got more attractive to me the longer I knew her, but I just don't think it's common and haven't seen it happening with a woman. 99% of the time it's wishful thinking when you're a man hoping a woman will feel this way about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:39 AM
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However, looks mix with personality over time. If this girl (like it was in my situation) hangs out in your friend group, and communicates with you, depending on your personality, you can become more or less attractive in her eyes. So even if she wasn't initially attracted to you, she might become over time. I've never had this happen to me. I think this is uncommon and typically leads to those dissatisfied relationships where the woman afterwards says she was never in love with him but she just…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 07:13 AM
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The "women take a huge risk" or "women don't have orgasms with randos" arguments are pretty weak when you realize a) most women have fwbs, not randos, b) women who do randos are probably a lot more likely to orgasm with them, otherwise they would choose the fwb route and c) most women don't live in Bumfuckistan/ville, where people are too stupid to use contraception and abortion/morning after pills are inaccessible. Truth is, women sleep above their (LTR) league because they can, because Chad li…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 07:04 AM
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No, you're just stuck in just-world thinking. Men face steeper competition, women think they do, but they don't. Sperm is cheap, dick is abundant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:21 PM
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I'd say France is the outlier among Western countries, not the US. Even so I suspect French 20-year olds have dates and use dating apps a lot. French girls dream about their Tinder Chads just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 09:11 AM
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I disagree, I'm Western European and "dating" is a thing here, so are dating apps. Even for those who don't or didn't use to do official dates the influence of dating apps has changed expectations/standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 08:10 AM
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Yes, I believe the effects of dating apps bleeding into the real world is something that can't be stopped anytime soon and fucks up dating for most involved. Reminds me of an old TRP saying: "lift [weights] like your life depends on it, because it does"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 08:06 AM
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No, the distribution is much smoother for women: a woman in the 90th percentile won't notice a difference compared to being in the 99th percentile, men would.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 07:21 AM
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For a relationship? Hell no! I don't doubt they can get good-looking boyfriends, but rarely ones who have good jobs, are faithful and are likely to stick around long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 07:11 AM
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I'm not that attracted to most of the ones I've seen. I think this is partly a generation gap: I wasn't raised with images of botox and lip-fillers, so they seem off-putting and weird to me. I do like a booty, but I don't like the camera angles or implants that make their butts look bigger than the rest of their body.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 07:10 AM
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Here we go again... sigh... Women message men so rarely that it's statistically insignificant, plus the women who do are probably fugly themselves. 80/20 doesn't say the bottom 80% die as virgins and the top 20% are Chads. It just says the bottom 80% are rarely physically desired by women so these men have to bring resources and stability to the table and then can get a relationship. The top 20% at least have a chance at casual sex and most women being truly physically attracted to them, a subse…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 09:37 PM
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I don't know why you put "relationships" in scare quotes--what I'm referring to are actual relationships of at least a year, where you travel together and meet each other's families and such. By that definition it is actually common for women to not have relationships in their 20s. Is their really an epidemic of women whose husbands AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE are so much less attractive than their previous LTRs? It's an epidemic for billy beta's who haven't been with their partner since they were b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:35 PM
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You're right. I haven't met these great hordes of women who make it to their 30s without having been in a serious relationship/thought they might marry someone, but have been sleeping around instead. Yeah, but that's a bit of strawman (and yeah, TRP strawmans too), don't you think? If she had a couple of "relationships" with Chads and hoped to marry one out of those it doesn't really make things any less hopeless for Billy beta she says she's in love with now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 08:57 AM
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No, it's a social trend, a fad. Women have always liked tall men and men have always liked boobs, but men in the 80s and 90s were obsessed with huge boobs and women in the 10s and 20s are obsessed with guys having to be at least 6ft tall, not 5'11", not 6'1", but 6ft, this is a fad and that explains why it's the same in countries/cultures where 50% of men are over 6ft tall as it is in countries/cultures where 20% of men are over 6ft tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 08:35 AM
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The CC is hyperbole at best, a fear-driven RP fantasy at worst, when it comes to 95% of women. Having said that, women who only date Chads or dark triad guys in their 20s, with some FWBs (strictly Chads) sprinkled in there and then around their 30th birthday suddenly "fall in love" with an average looking, stable guy, are a dime a dozen. It's also common for women to retroactively label flings "relationships". Part of being purple is that I do believe a guy has reason to worry if his 30-somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 08:29 AM
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> However, what they really want is that when they're upset, or sad, for men to be gentle, kind and caring. I agree, but it means they don't want a guy with a sensitive side, they want a guy who will listen to her when she's being sensitive herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 08:21 AM
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Possible reasons: - she's drunk and her friends are worried she's too drunk to make an informed decision - she's giving off signals to her friends that she wants to be "rescued" (or at least her friends think so) - she's taken, her friends like her man, and they're trying to prevent her cheating - her friends don't think you're Chadly enough, basically if you approach a group of women they have to all approve of you, which is ridiculous, but there you go - some of her friends are jealous (unlike…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 08:18 AM
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🤣🤣🤣 Though to be fair, douchy backpack bros are probably just as annoying to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 10:19 PM
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Lol, yeah, I'm allergic to the "just like the locals" crowd... And if you can't think of even one bad thing to say about a place you didn't have your eyes open while you were there, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:12 PM
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I actually like traveling, but yeah, I'm not paying for them and I won't go to some place I didn't want to go myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:00 PM
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No. That’s just your biased view of women. There are many women that don’t conform to gender roles. Not all women are the same. I know many that don't conform, but they still expect men to conform. I think you're biased in thinking that if she doesn't expect him to burp his name, play football and scratch his nuts in public she's not expecting him to conform to the male gender role. If by “Chadliest” you mean attractive, then umm, yeah. That’s common sense. It's more than having attractive eyes:…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:57 PM
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Nah, women who themselves don't conform to the female gender role can definitely expect men to conform to the male gender role, in fact most do, in practice (they may say they're against gender roles but talk is cheap). Even hippee chicks still flock to the tallest/Chadliest/douchiest hippee guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 12:04 PM
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Reasons why this happens: - most people are basic (you probably are too, just in some other way), this goes for men and women - women take input from their female friends when making a profile and expect their female friends to see the profile - women project what they think men like to see (men do this too in OLD, with the fishing pictures) - women just copy stuff from social media, which they have more experience with - putting pictures of hobbies on there makes it easier to believe Chad swipe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:30 AM
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How would they have any special insights about men? Promiscuous women don't waste time with normal men when there are Chads around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 07:45 AM
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You have a username that references politics. Why would you care about politics if you're just enjoying the decline?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 07:01 AM
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Be incredibly handsome, like 90s' Brad Pitt level handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:07 PM
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If you believe it's so easy to just discard all sense of ethics (not talking about religious morality here), then why do you have that username?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:06 PM
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Empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:40 PM
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OR get mental health treatment like therapy and medication! Sexlessness wouldn't be a big issue if men didn't want it for validation Yes! This is brilliant: just keep popping pills until you no longer care about anything (except the pills), why has no one thought of that before? Someone give this woman a Nobel Prize right now!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:37 PM
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The female social matrix is a never-ending rat race and marketing departments the world over know that, but women do it to themselves too by spending time on instagram, obsessing over tinder Chads, etc... Basically women become less happy the more women they get to compare themselves to, so unhappiness has been turned up to 11 in a globalized, connected world. Also a significant portion of women doesn't want a fulltime/corporate job, especially once they have children, because they don't have th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:10 PM
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Maybe, but you wouldn't have realized your privilege if you had been born a woman...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 11:57 AM
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I agree there. That's a fact of life. I guess if it makes you feel better at least we don't get periods and our fertility last longer than theirs...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 11:33 AM
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You don't have to be better in EVERY way, you may have to be better overall with your qualities weighted against her priorities, but those priorities differ between women and they're probably not your priorities either. I really don't feel like I'm dating down with a woman who's shorter than me, but to her it's really important that I'm taller than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:59 AM
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That's why I used the word "accept". Men are notorious for caring about looks but I know plenty of men (including) myself who've dated non-supermodel women and have even fallen in love with them. It's not that different for women, except they have narrower tastes and always date up in some aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:40 AM
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I disagree about women at the top: they're actually more likely to be relationship-focused, don't allow men to pump and dump them (they're not desperate to tie any particular man down, not even Chad), and don't care much for random male attention because they've been drowned in it since they were 13.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:36 AM
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Can you expand on that point. What aspect do women care that she's superior? Depends on the woman: some women will accept a mediocre-looking man who's rich and has high social status, others will accept a broke, dumb Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:33 AM
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In some aspect, yes, pretty much always, though the woman can be better in some aspect she doesn't care about as much. The classic example is the woman being more physically attractive but the man making more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:02 AM
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- legalized protitution without stigma (at least for LVM) - more proper male role models for boys - a change in (social) media landscape (doubtful) or awareness (at least possible) so people's views of what's "average" changes, this includes young girls becoming more aware of how rare Chads really are and how unlikely they are to snag one for anything other than just sex - or we invent a pill that makes men turn gay
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 08:47 AM
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I went to massive bouts of self-improvement over the past 5 years and have become a lot more attractive to a subset of women (a random subset, not necessarily the ones I want to attract). It would be easy for me to just pat myself on the back and tell all men to do the same, but that would be as dishonest as some billionaire telling people everyone can become a billionaire too if they just work hard, that's BS, it's simply the ego discounting survivorship bias and that's often what goes on with …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 08:36 AM
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IMO women don't spin plates. They either don't do casual sex or they have one guy they go back to for casual sex in between relationships because they know what they'll get with him, he's discrete and she feels safe with him. This guy may be replaced eventually but I wouldn't call that spinning plates. Also, the Chadlier this guy is, the more women he has on the side. The more attractive the woman is the less likely she's sleeping with more than one guy or even having casual sex at all. Casual s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 08:12 AM
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Women being allergic to neediness (which I think is true) and them being turned on by being wanted seems contradictory. I'm sure Mark Manson reconciles this somewhere, but you should include that in the OP, otherwise it's a bit hard to say anything useful for people who haven't read the book.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:46 PM
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That's bullshit, the man has a lot to lose to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:43 PM
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Where did you get the insane idea that this will go on beyond a year from now? About a year from now thee will either be a vaccine or most countries will have achieved herd immunity. This simply won't be a thing two years from now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:42 PM
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It's pretty rare among young people, outside of the UK. It's the elderly who are fat and skewing the statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 11:58 AM
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It's a factor, but a small one. It's not like men in Europe have an equal playing field: they still have incels, Chads and a majority of AFCs. I'm fully convinced women care about a man's relative (to the average man she sees) attractiveness for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 10:00 AM
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I don't like subservient women, so yes, if I'm the only guy they like they will end up single. Subservient women are delusional if they think we're a match (which unfortunately doesn't stop some of them), but there are many guys out there who love a subservient woman, and I don't like bitchy women either, so no, nice girls don't finish single IMO. Women who complain about this are either not really that nice or they're chasing the wrong guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 09:49 AM
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What would a man benefit by breaking his "if no sex by the xth date then move on" rule? Do you see the problem, OP? You don't get good results if one party completely distrusts the other while expecting complete trust and 3 months of the life of the other party.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 09:38 AM
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It's fun, you should try it ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:52 PM
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Young love is care free: no kids, no mortgage, no biological clock, no financial expectations, no pressure to move in together or get married, a lot less golddigging, she's not desensitized by fucking Chads yet, etc... and you'll both get to enjoy each other's healthy, young body for a longer time. Of course OP knows all this and is just shitposting, I wonder why I even bothered to respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:05 PM
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I mean having broad shoulders and hips, or a large ribcage, compared to their body length, so yeah, skeletal frame. This is fairly common, especially in shorter women, though it's less visible when they wear high heels. The ideal from the 80s and 90s was based on tall models.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 01:32 PM
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Being "wider" than a model, with T&A, has become more acceptable, which is a good thing IMO since many women can't have a skinny build, even with low body fat. Being fat (as in medically overweight) is still looked down on for the most part, and rightfully so. Online things may seem different, but in the real world fat acceptance barely exists in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:22 PM
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Aside from the obvious signs (mostly having male friends, having a revealing social media presence, substance abuse) the most useful indicator is abnormally low self-esteem. Usually the more beautiful (which can be different from "hot") women are less promiscuous and thin women tend to be less promiscuous than fat or chubby women. Another indicator is if her exes are all Chads, especially if she's no Stacey herself. Of course no sign, or lack of signs, is 100% accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:25 AM
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If someone is good at picking up social cues and mimicking other people than how autistic can they really be? Plus if the person is only mimicking they'd be found out really quickly in certain situations (for example by not understanding sarcasm). There's this false idea that autism, and many other mental diagnoses, are immutable physical entities that exist separate from measurable symptoms, neural plasticity, and the human tendency to categorize things into neat little boxes. If girls, more of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:20 AM
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There's some merit to the arguments the OP lists, but it's not nearly enough to explain the difference. Except in severe cases children shouldn't be diagnosed in the first place because a) they're still in development so it's hard to get an accurate diagnosis, b) they can grow out of it, c) a diagnosis causes people to treat the child as "special" so it never gets the chance to grow out of it or live up to its full potential. If a woman used to display some symptoms as a child, but learned to re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:07 AM
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Use every avenue you have, see what sticks, and pray to god you actually like one of them back, seriously, don't forget about that last part: she can be hot and be into you, but she can still be boring/mean/dumb/annoying AF or just not compatible with you. You're the prize as much as she is, it's only that you have to make the first move If you're looking for one perfect strategy you're already doing it wrong because it's a numbers game and different women have different preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:32 AM
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The more obvious explanation is that it's the "he's a good-looking dude" that makes him so attractive to you and the other women who hit on him. Don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 08:40 AM
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Depends on the pond you fish in, the country you live in and what stereotype of alpha you used to follow. The jock alpha thing works on extraverted young women if you have the physique to pull it off and more so in the US than in other places. Otherwise it might not be the best strategy. Also, be careful you're not attracting the wrong kind of attention by acting more sweet and vulnerable. Vet these women meticulously and mercilessly, so you don't end up being BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 08:29 AM
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You could say the same thing for a man being afraid he'll get used by a woman who's not really attracted to him. How can he trusts her when she can make him wait that long without herself breaking down and jumping his bones?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 08:01 AM
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NAMALT: I definitely feel stronger towards women whose personality I like better, even if they're slightly less good-looking, that's why it always takes time for me to develop feelings. There are men who fall for "that booty", but in the context of what TRP talks about that's still loving the woman for who she is. What TRP means is the woman gets loved for something that's an innate part of her, while the man gets loved for value he provides. So a man with a particular talent doesn't get loved f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 07:49 AM
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Oh, I'm definitely not saying it works on all women, but it works on average, especially for the short term because enough women will perceive it as confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 07:36 AM
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No, it's not gender neutral. A man can make himself more attractive to women by behaving like an asshole, a woman won't make herself more attractive to men by doing the same. Men don't find cockiness attractive, they may find other bad traits attractive but not the traits listed in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:20 PM
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They would appreciate it if men they don't find attractive looked at them less. It's no different from men preferring fewer fat women in skimpy/tight clothes walking around in public. They're not things the other sex should be bothered with and they shouldn't be legislated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:16 PM
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You don’t think women date assholes because they think they can’t get better? I believe most of the women who date more than one asshole in their lives get plenty of chances with nicer men but find these men too boring or not "masculine" enough, even if they were physically just as attractive as the asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 12:37 PM
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But for every one guy like you there’s 30 that will put up with a nasty woman just because she’s hot and putting out. True, but 29 of them would strongly prefer an equally hot woman who was nicer. We don't tend to find nastyness itself attractive, or don't confuse nastyness with positive traits. IME men are usually quite aware they're dating/plating a cunt but consciously put up with it because they think they can't get anything better. That's a huge difference between men and women in this situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 11:41 AM
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You can definitely get a woman who won't cheat on you if you're in the top 50% of men. Of course she might be a 3, but it is something at least half of men can somewhat select for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:54 AM
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I think that's too generous for some of these women. There are plenty who just don't care or don't care enough to prefer to be single over having a man like that or only care when the man starts being a major asshole to her, but didn't care back when he was "just" bullying/shitting on innocent people in front of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:41 AM
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Yeah, but men who have no LTR options except cheating women shouldn't be too bothered with what those women think IMO. If she wants the moral highground she shouldn't be cheating...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:35 AM
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That, or men should up their standards when choosing a girlfriend. Though of course a segment of men doesn't get to have standards (I'd say about one third to half of all men), so for them the choice will be between their right hands/hookers or being in a relationship where they get cheated on. I guess if they know they're getting cheated on and can't get a better woman they could go see hookers guilt-free and be learn to live with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 09:59 AM
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Well, I mean I agree most women don't actively like these traits (not even secretly when there's no need to virtue signal), but the fact that they often don't seem to be dealbreakers either is disconcerting, and that's what at least some of the men here base their views on. I like women who can stick up for themselves, have their own opinions and are sarcastically gifted, but they have to have a conscience underneath all that, as soon as I find out they're actually just very mean/bitchy and shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 09:53 AM
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In the comments we have guys citing serial killers getting love letters as proof. Women are not the Borg. There are are few million meth addict women compared to women who chase serial killers, but who is counting when all women are like that. Sure, but women who can't distinguish (or don't care about the difference) between confidence and arrogance/narcissism, or between "being his own man" and pyschopathy, are a dime a dozen, I wouldn't be suprised if they're the majority among young women, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 08:25 AM
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Most of us do, just only with the women we really like, who are a small subset of all the women we find sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:41 AM
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Sometimes this sub is so depressing... Yes, I empathize with women and their problems. Why? Because I'm not a fucking psychopath. Does that mean I cater to their every wish? No, but I can still empathize and be grateful that at least I don't have their problems on top of my own problems. So often a woman here says "why should I care? I never cared" (at least most of the men here cared at some point, they just got bitter or play the game where they pretend not to care). You don't have to, no, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:37 AM
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It's not that expensive, especially on a national level. It would barely show up as a rounding error on most developed nations' health budgets.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:20 AM
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When in doubt don't talk about your feelings to a woman you plan on ever having sex with. If you really must talk about feelings do it from a position of strength, for example tell her how you overcame something or how it made you stronger, or that you hate something, or make fun of it (not in an overly dark way though). If you fail at this you lose masculinity points in her eyes, you can recover those over time but if they get too low she'll lose attraction. What most women mean by talking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:14 AM
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True, if a guy can't internalize the fact that his value on the app is always going to be lower than his value in the real world then it can be depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:05 AM
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Yes, but that would only change if most Chads left OLD, which they won't. It has nothing to do with your individual actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:03 AM
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I just find it weird that back when you still had dating apps you weren't also asking out women you met in real life. On their own dating apps are shit, but as an addition they can't hurt your chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 02:13 PM
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How busy is your life really that you can't ask women out who you met in person because you're too busy messaging other women on apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 01:48 PM
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My sex life improved astronomically through one simple, painless action: deleting my apps and accounts for all dating and social media services, and instead, meeting women in real life through social connections. Why not do both? Why act like you have to choose one or the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 01:03 PM
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OLD only works for women and chads. The rich get richer. The poor stay poor. OLD gives you a non-zero chance with women you would never have met otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 12:35 PM
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Reasons I can think of from the top of my head: - some men (just like some women) don't think the effort is worth it - a large part of the female fixation on appearance has to do with competing with other women, not attracting men, this is why older women still wear makeup and jewelry, for example - stuff like skincare and fancy clothes don't actually do much to make a man more sexually attractive (same for women really) - Many young women still select AGAINST men who use makeup or put too much …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 12:24 PM
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I know for a fact if I met this same girl in person my chances would be higher. Chances are you would never have met her in person in the first place, that's why dating apps are not pointless. Dating apps should be used as an addition, not a substitute, to meeting people in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 11:37 AM
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One word: issues...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 07:41 AM
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Pornstars aren't "top 1%", most aren't even top 20%, and that's with tons of makeup on. Has OP ever even watched porn? Of course in some places in the US a woman with a healthy BMI is a rare sight, but that's another issue. Pornstars don't look spectacularly hot compared to normal women in places that aren't suffering from an obesity epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 07:37 AM
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For the bottom half of men, yeah, I do think they're being set up for a situation where they increasingly have to accept non-monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:47 AM
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Certain bad experiences are vastly more common with Chads and others are more common with average men. Sure it's theoretically possible an average woman was pumped and dumped by an average guy with three sidechicks, it's just highly unlikely an average guy could pull this off in reality, even if he was the world's biggest asshole, but Chad could. This doesn't even mean Chads are more often assholes than average men are, just that on these situations it usually was a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:43 AM
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Relationships where sex is like a chore to the woman, because she's not really that attracted to the man, are a dime a dozen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:35 AM
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Most men ultimately want relationships that are real (where the woman is actually attracted to him, not just his money or his security), but to know that they can get real relationships they need to know they could get casual sex with women who look somewhat like the women they get into relationships will.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:32 AM
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By OP's definitions I would prefer mildly experienced, experienced is acceptable, but not preferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:25 AM
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It depends on your local laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:23 AM
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Women don't like being in the friendzone either. You're confusing the friendzone with normal, mutually platonic friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:19 AM
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Neckbeards I guess... Maybe some guys who are trapped in sexless marriages and who want a fantasy of exclusivity. They're bottom of the barrel and these things will never be mainstream, so we shouldn't have this many threads on it on purplepilldebate imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:16 AM
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I'm not so sure women don't get it. I think most do. It's the women who are already promiscuous who don't get it, or are hamstering, they're a minority, a significant and loud minority, but still a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:13 AM
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Yeah, I suppose it's less worse than that, but that's not saying much...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 08:33 PM
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Most women are chronically insecure. My girlfriend is gorgeous, and I prefer her over porn any day, but she's still scared of porn (she even admitted it).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:58 PM
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No, I don't understand where you get the "only" part from, at least not if you were arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:55 PM
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A guy with good game doesn't open closed doors, he's mostly just better at not accidentally closing doors. The woman always has to have been at least slightly interested since before a single word was said. Game is 20% showing off your wit/status/confidence and 80% the art of not fucking up, and in the end it's always in the eye of the beholder. There's no perfect game that works on all women in all of their moods.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:47 PM
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I would if the effective hourly pay was better than my current job anf if there was no stigma from society or (potential) romantic partners. Both of those are of course impossible in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:39 PM
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It's simply fear, or, dare I say it... insecurity. Women fear porn stealing their man the way men fear Chad's almighty dick stealing their woman. Women are afraid porn can "corrupt" her man too, not just the undesirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:25 PM
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I'd be highly suspicious she has issues that cause her relationships to be short, or that she's allowed herself to get strung along by a lot of Chads, or that she's retroactively labelling her flings as "relationships" to appear less slutty. So no bueno, even if she says they were all relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:01 PM
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Meh, one woman's "obvious signals" are another woman's "clearly just being friendly". A man who's somewhat risk averse, not that interested or in an environment where dating the woman is risky (work, the same small social circle) might not always want to take the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 09:25 AM
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This is like choosing between losing an arm or losing a leg. I guess if you held a gun to my head I'd say losing an arm is worse, but they're both nightmare scenarios. I know a lot of high-n women and not a single one of them is able to have a stable monogamous relationship. Most also have more issues than Time Magazine. I'm friends with some of them but I pity the poor guys who fall in love with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 09:18 AM
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On average the women here probably do care more, but on an individual level it might just as well be some kind of morbid curiosity instead of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 09:06 AM
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I did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 09:04 AM
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Nope, I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:47 AM
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I’m talking about what I’ve seen with my own two eyes, what I’ve experienced myself. Not some bullshit articles or rhetoric I’ve read from some professor of Women’s Studies who grew up having money and went to a nice college has never had a real problem in her life or experienced the real world. You're talking about real stuff and I believe you, I really do, but when it comes to why, deep down, MOST women oppose it it is exactly the bullshit rhetoric from some professor of women's studies. That'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 06:26 PM
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Nah, that's just a convenient cop out to cling unto and if it can't be clung unto the goalposts are just moved until "consensual" means she (people always forget there are also male prostitutes) has to be a millionaire and get mad orgasms from each and every client. It's bullshit and isn't applied to things like letting violent criminals out of jail, legalizing drugs, economic migration, adopting children, etc... and nobody assumes soldiers, roofers or fishermen are enslaved by default, even if …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:40 PM
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Women are the worst at approaches. Most of the time it’s an awkward combination of touching you, and telling you how “hawt” you are, often drunkenly. It’s as if they expect you to be DTF, simply because they’re offering. I’d say much of their lack of success is because they’re bad at it. Yeah, that's part of it. Most women have worse game than fedora-wearing neckbeards. The worst is when they set you up where they fuck up very badly by saying weird, nonsensical stuff and then expect you to give …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:30 PM
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Men need to up their standards: if she won't work and doesn't have her shit in order then don't get in a serious relationship with her (unless you're tradcon and she wants to be a traditional housewife). I've always judged women on what they do, not just what they look like, I definitely dodged some bullets that way...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:23 PM
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Being officially awarded co parenting doesn't mean it's anywhere near an equitable deal or that the mother is complying with the deal (if she doesn't no one's going to enforce it and she knows that). That said, the same is true if you have kids without marriage, so it's not marriage per se that's the problem there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:18 PM
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I don't believe single mothers are that much of a societal problem, besides many single mothers aren't actually single, they just live alone (at least officially) because they lose their benefits when they cohabit with a boyfriend/baby daddy and some statistics count unmarried mothers who cohabit with the father of their children as single mothers too. Having said that... wealth transfers from men to women via the state, especially single, childless men, to women, is a proven and significant phe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:11 PM
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- Not project negative experiences with Chad on all men - Not oppose legalization of prostitution (or where it's legal, stigmatize it) out of some visceral (but ultimately irrational) sense of disgust - At least acknowledge it's a problem that hits men harder I mean, that's what I do as a man who's not sexless, I can sympathize with women's problems too instead of just saying "why should I care?" or using shaming language, it's just basic empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:14 PM
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Before the 1960s people did hook up. Sure, most men only had one or two girls before they got with their future wife, but that's not so different from the amount of casual sex most guys get these days (especially spread out over the same number of years). There was also a lot more prostitution in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 10:53 AM
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Many 12 year olds can't get pregnant and if they can it's often with significant health issues. Men are definitely viscerally attracted to 16, or even 14 year old girls, if they are "overdeveloped".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 10:48 AM
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Not necessarily. She could have been bored or wanted to make her current man jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 10:43 AM
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I agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 10:40 AM
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Gay porn might not make men gay, but being in prison certainly can. You might say these aren't real gay men because they weren't like that as teenagers, but how do we know all of those were born with it and what does it matter what we call them when the end-result is the same? It could definitely be that some paedophiles were born with it while it's an "acquired taste" for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 09:27 AM
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Sort of... It's not that women who approach aim x points higher than their own SMV, it's that they aim for high SMV guys, regardless of her own SMV. The guy doesn't have to be some near-universal gigachad, but he at least has to be her niche chad. A female 8 might approach her looks match, but a female 2 would also choose the same guy, and not, say, a male 5, and get rejected. There are a lot more sub-8 women than 8-10 women so in general women will approach guys with higher SMV than themselves …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 09:14 AM
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It's less likely the new guy is beta bux, so on average it's a better deal. But it still has to be viewed on an individual basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 09:02 AM
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Attractive men treating women worse because they can is definitely a thing. It's like a spoiled child. Not all attractive men are like that, but the ones who most aggressively pursue women often are. This is in addition to many women perceiving asshole behavior as "confident" and therefore attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:57 AM
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You're going in circles: "mental illness" is just a way of categorizing something, putting a label on it for convenience (and for the medical/insurance bureaucracy). You could call having blue as your favorite color a mental illness too and theorize in what ways those people have a different brain chemistry (which they will have in some way, because all thoughts come from the brain exclusively) from people with other favorite colors. It is perfectly possible paedophilia can be triggered by lack …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:53 AM
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Men are disposable so they're nature's experiment. Many have greater variety in all kinds of mental processes, paedophilia is just one of them. Having said that I do think a larger proportion of men than women grow up very frustrated/repressed and this plays a role too in them developing non-standard fetishes. Lastly I believe there are a lot more female paedophiles than most people think but they don't act on it or aren't caught as often.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:43 AM
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