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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights08/07/18 01:30 PM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights26/11/17 05:22 PM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights30/01/16 11:32 PM
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False AccusationsTedesche/r/MensRights08/03/15 08:15 PM
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Activism/SupportTedesche/r/MensRights13/01/16 01:19 AM
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Legal RightsTedesche/r/MensRights10/07/15 02:56 AM
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Activism/SupportTedesche/r/MensRights14/09/17 12:35 PM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 09:19 PM
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Anti-MRMTedesche/r/MensRights28/10/18 02:40 PM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 12:42 PM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights06/06/18 09:13 PM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights05/12/17 02:14 PM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 12:55 PM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights24/09/18 09:38 PM
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Tedesche/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 06:23 PM
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ProgressTedesche/r/MensRights10/12/17 03:15 PM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights13/01/17 12:12 AM
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ProgressTedesche/r/MensRights27/11/17 01:13 PM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 02:24 AM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights12/10/17 03:43 PM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights26/09/18 04:24 AM
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CMVTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:00 PM
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Global IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights05/01/19 08:52 PM
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Tedesche/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 10:16 PM
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ScienceTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:30 PM
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GeneralTedesche/r/MensRights11/01/18 07:05 AM
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GeneralTedesche/r/MensRights11/01/16 03:22 AM
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QuestionsTedesche/r/MensRights16/06/17 02:21 AM
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ProgressTedesche/r/MensRights13/09/17 10:09 PM
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Reverse GendersTedesche/r/MensRights24/03/15 03:11 AM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 06:23 PM
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ProgressTedesche/r/MensRights18/07/18 12:36 AM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights13/03/16 09:07 AM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights03/08/16 12:41 PM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights21/12/16 11:46 PM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights05/02/17 02:42 PM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights05/02/17 02:13 PM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights16/06/17 04:21 PM
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Anti-MRMTedesche/r/MensRights13/08/17 01:24 PM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 11:41 AM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights21/11/17 02:26 AM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights18/11/16 11:06 PM
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False AccusationTedesche/r/MensRights30/10/18 09:04 PM
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DiscriminationTedesche/r/MensRights12/12/17 01:07 AM
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FeminismTedesche/r/MensRights14/08/18 09:15 PM
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Fathers/CustodyTedesche/r/MensRights12/03/16 01:00 AM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights13/07/16 12:58 AM
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Anti-MRMTedesche/r/MensRights21/02/18 08:41 PM
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Social IssuesTedesche/r/MensRights13/08/15 03:57 AM
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QuestionsTedesche/r/MensRights20/05/15 04:36 AM
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Tedesche/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:12 AM
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Edu./Occu.Tedesche/r/MensRights22/02/19 03:22 AM
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Tedesche/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:29 AM
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NewsTedesche/r/MensRights06/04/15 12:56 AM
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ScienceTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:33 AM
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Tedesche/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 09:47 PM
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Question for BluePillTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 01:24 AM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/MensRights15/03/15 12:32 AM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 01:31 PM
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GeneralTedesche/r/MensRights03/08/17 08:15 PM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights14/12/16 08:58 PM
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Legal RightsTedesche/r/MensRights19/11/18 10:10 PM
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Marriage/ChildrenTedesche/r/MensRights26/07/18 01:45 AM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 09:19 PM
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DiscussionTedesche/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 09:19 PM
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QuestionTedesche/r/MensRights16/07/14 12:21 AM
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GeneralTedesche/r/MensRights05/08/15 05:12 AM
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Tedesche/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:03 PM
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Tedesche/r/MensRights18/08/16 03:46 AM
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Yeah, I know. Just thought I’d represent that not all new fathers are focused on their wife getting back to the beach bod.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:22 PM
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I think I’d probably be too busy helping out with the kids to bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 10:20 PM
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They removed it. Could’ve hurt real victims. Mods of r/offmychest are total feminist/SJW thralls.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 10:18 PM
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Please post supporting evidence as soon as you can! We need to get this shit documented.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 05:53 PM
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I don't particularly agree no Well, then we disagree on how human psychology works. I don't agree that even if it were true, it would make it right to use government funds (or that it would be in the government's purview) to address that. Why not? If true, then there is a public interest in having roughly equal representation based on demographic variables like race and sex, so why wouldn't the government have an interest in promoting that?
/r/MensRights27/02/19 05:52 PM
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Do you agree that people's decisions about which career paths to pursue in life are in part influenced by the careers of people who look like them (e.g. gender, race, etc), such that, if there aren't any/many examples of successful female doctors, girls will be less likely to pursue careers as doctors?
/r/MensRights26/02/19 05:53 PM
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Yeah, see that skews opportunity, which isn’t fair or good for society.
/r/MensRights26/02/19 01:35 PM
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Eh...not sure I agree with that. There is a public interest in diversity efforts, it’s just that you don’t want the government discriminating or forcing discrimination in actual hiring/enrollment/funding, etc. I’m open to having my mind changed on this though, if you can give me some good arguments.
/r/MensRights26/02/19 01:34 PM
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Agreed!
/r/MensRights26/02/19 01:31 PM
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Saw a poster today on the subway, encouraging women to sign up for business school. Got no problem with that—it’s just encouraging a group who doesn’t typically go into business to do so. But actively promoting sexist consumer practices? Yeah, fuck you, Amazon, and anyone else who thinks you get equality via discrimination.
/r/MensRights26/02/19 07:02 AM
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Hitting on women is sexual harassment (a hate crime) in the UK now.
/r/MensRights25/02/19 10:17 PM
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Yeah, two weeks without any sexual attention is pushing the limit, man. Particularly if you're playing video games instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 10:00 PM
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Huh. That got me thinking about my country (U.S.), so I looked it up: https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/398450/number-of-us-organ-donors-by-gender.jpg Roughly equal since around the late 90’s, but you start seeing disparities again in recent years. Anyone have a thought as to why?
/r/MensRights25/02/19 01:46 PM
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Doesn’t have much info about the case, unfortunately. Not all schizophrenic parents are unfit, if you can believe it. I treat several parents (male and female) who are perfectly good with their kids. The key is treatment—they all get treatment. So, my main question is this: was she in treatment when the judge awarded her custody? Because the idea of a judge awarding her custody when she was not in treatment is so ludicrous I’m skeptical that was really the case. You have to be a complete moron t…
/r/MensRights25/02/19 10:47 AM
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Even outside of Purge Week, this sub is fuckin’ hilarious! 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 09:40 AM
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I’m suprized you see women blaming men more, because my experience is that most girls (even the conventionally hottest ones) are balls of insecurity and question themselves all the time. These are not mutually exclusive attitudes, strangely enough. Or rather, there are plenty of women who alternate between them at an alarming rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 09:32 AM
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Actually, she got 2.5 years, but is eligible for parole at 15 months, then has 5 years worth of probation (meaning she has to be on perfectly good behavior during that period). We need to develop new sentencing guidelines for psychopaths.
/r/MensRights25/02/19 09:25 AM
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I’m sorry you had such a shitty upbringing, but you’re really over-generalizing here. The vast majority of men raised by single moms don’t grow up to have these issues with women. Assuming you agree with that (I can try to look up some stats if you don’t, but it’s kind of obvious to me, anecdotally), how can you think these issues are a result of single motherhood, rather than a combination of factors?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 09:18 AM
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Yes. I’d much rather have it stripped of any real meaning apart from being male than have it subject to the whims of feminists or traditionalists. At the very least, that way the term can’t be used to shame people. Most men these days don’t bother with the term. I know precisely one guy who strives to “be a man,” and he’s arguably much worse off for it, not because the traits he associates with masculinity are inherently bad (feminists would say they are though), but because he ignores other opt…
/r/MensRights25/02/19 08:36 AM
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If you think that, then you missed my point. What feminists are proposing is that we tackle the problem of negative male stereotypes being linked to people’s senses of masculinity by splitting masculinity into “toxic” and “healthy” versions of it. What I’m suggesting is that we divorce all male stereotypes from our concept of masculinity, period. Masculinity is just being male, end of definition. By creating two sub-categories of masculinity, you just reinforce the legitimacy of the stereotypes …
/r/MensRights24/02/19 09:40 PM
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It ruled that positive action should only be applied to distinguish between candidates who are equally qualified for a role. I’m sorry, but I just don’t trust anyone to do this fairly. Since it’s obviously about forcefully changing the demographic breakdown of a department, what’s the goal breakdown you’re shooting for? Equal representation across all demographic lines? Hardly seems realistic or fair. Representation that matches representation in the populace? Okay, but if your applicant pool do…
/r/MensRights24/02/19 08:44 PM
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It reads like a stereotype. Those headers throughout the piece were particularly cringeworthy. Sounds like she realizes she shouldn’t have cheated, but is mainly just upset she got caught. Typical.
/r/MensRights24/02/19 08:27 PM
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Wow. That was quite a long straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 07:56 PM
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We were at a bar and a couple drinks in we had our first kiss, which I am perfectly fine with; one kiss at the bar is cute. However, she kept wanting to go on for full make-outs, and I told her that PDA of that level made me uncomfortable (I am not in college anymore, and this wasn’t that type of bar) and this was a packed bar so that made it even worse. What you’re noting here seems not just like sexual aggressiveness, but also immaturity. Public make-out sessions are the stuff of adolescents a…
/r/MensRights24/02/19 07:34 PM
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Do you have a non-anecdotal example you can show me? Sorry, but anyone can make up personal stories that fit the bill on the Internet.
/r/MensRights24/02/19 07:06 PM
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Attitude.
/r/MensRights24/02/19 07:02 PM
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No, you’re talking about male stereotypes, and that’s just that they are: stereotypical ideas about men that aren’t actually representative of most men. We need to purge those ideas from our society rather than attribute them to some abstract concept of what it “means” to be a man. Clinging to the idea that masculinity itself incorporates behaviors that not all men exhibit just reinforces those stereotypes. The “toxic masculinity” narrative is about reprogramming men to be more amenable to femin…
/r/MensRights24/02/19 11:59 AM
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Masculinity is the state of identifying as male and nothing else. It is neither positive nor negative, toxic nor healthy.
/r/MensRights24/02/19 11:48 AM
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Most feminists don’t “hate men” in the literal sense of the phrase, but they are nonetheless profoundly biased against us and beholden of some extremely misandrist (anti-male) views (e.g. boys need to be taught not to rape and abuse women, it’s perfectly fine to mutilate boys’ genitals via circumcision, women deserve lesser criminal sentences than men for the same crimes, etc). I encourage you to subscribe to this sub as an information source on men’s issues and the ways in which society discrim…
/r/MensRights24/02/19 11:33 AM
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Mind you, this is the same organization that touts itself as an authority on ethics, while it advised the staff at Gitmo on how to best psychologically torture their inmates.
/r/MensRights24/02/19 11:09 AM
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My thoughts exactly. Her behavior is atrocious, but she’s clearly pissed at him about something right at the start of the video. Don’t know if something happened before that might make things make a bit more sense and her seem a bit less crazy.
/r/MensRights24/02/19 11:05 AM
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So you can see a black guy doing this just as easily?
/r/MensRights24/02/19 11:04 AM
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The pussy pass is so real. Women are wonderful!
/r/MensRights24/02/19 10:58 AM
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Can’t you report her for this? Seems like she admitted to trying to discourage you guys from participating based on your gender alone; even though it was about volunteering, that seems like it would have Title IX all over it, as it happened at school and she was operating in a professional capacity.
/r/MensRights24/02/19 10:26 AM
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Nah, at least half of them are about how women take advantage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 07:25 AM
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“Women are wonderful” is a stereotype that gets women let off the hook for tons of shit; your “analogue” is a stereotype that degraded men. A better analogue is the “boys will be boys” one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 07:23 AM
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This would be similar to men saying they like tight or “neat” pussies (where the labia don’t hang out), except in this case, she’s specifically saying she likes a particularly well-mutilated penis. So, the real equivalent would be a guy saying he likes a vag that’s had its labia expertly trimmed.
/r/MensRights23/02/19 01:38 AM
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Sometimes, when I consider what most “coffee shop” feminists seem to think, I think maybe I’m just taking men’s rights too seriously and becoming like the crazy radfems I knew in college who I couldn’t stand. Buuuuut...then some op-ed from a mainstream feminist comes out, talking about how women should hate all men or how all masculinity is toxic, and I’m reminded that I’m totally sane for thinking mainstream feminism is a willing haven for and fomenter of real misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 01:21 AM
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I’ve never heard Bernie play the identity politics game to any great degree. However, when I voted for him in 2016, he was of the opinion that college rape should be handled by the police; since then he’s changed his views and made statements supporting Obama’s Title IX policies. For once, I’m glad he doesn’t stand a chance.
/r/MensRights23/02/19 01:14 AM
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Assuming you don’t buy from the shady corner store that smuggles them in from another state? Between $13-15.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 08:59 PM
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Expensive Metropolis, USA.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 05:33 PM
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I think you’re missing the point. This is about how the film’s marketing is involving feminist political agendas, not the actual quality of the film itself. I’m king to see it too, but I won’t see it in theaters. I want the film to do terribly at the box office, but I still want to see it. I want the lesson films studios take away from this to be that feminist marketing tactics hurt ticket sales big time.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 01:40 PM
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Studios make all their decisions based on ticket sales at theaters. You can see the film, just don’t see it in theaters. Marvel can have my $2 rental, but not my $30 cinema seat.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 01:36 PM
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Fine, but that ain’t the system we have. What I’m pointing out is that the system isn’t being applied equally. Whether or not the system should exist in the first place is a different issue.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 01:25 PM
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According to the OCR’s website, no investigation has been opened up regarding this complaint (the article was written in 2018): https://i.imgur.com/UZAmJUe.jpg WTF? How is this legal? Someone please explain!
/r/MensRights22/02/19 03:54 AM
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He’s suggesting feminists don’t do enough for men on any issues that aren’t really more about helping women. Because feminists aren’t really interested in helping men, which is made obvious from their rhetoric, actions, and overall activism. Feminists who object cite their personal feelings and those of their friends, but refuse to acknowledge the fact that the overwhelming amount of feminist activism, even when it comes to “toxic masculinity,” focuses more on helping women than men. That men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 12:36 AM
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The tall tale is that a bunch of liberal, sex-positive rad fems are teaching their sons to pump gas for women to be good little betas. You’re seeing two very different groups at work. Yes. The truth is that feminists of all stripes are teaching boys that they’re partly toxic and need to try extra hard not to become violent rapists. So much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 12:22 AM
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Neither are the old, sinister, evil men. It’s almost as if there’s more than just gender stuff going on here!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 12:19 AM
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I don’t find older men more physically attractive but I consider them because they whine less. LOL, older women whine less than younger women too, and younger men whine far less than younger women. Women are practically conditioned to whine about a lot of things (though not all) in our society. We still raise women to play the “damsel in distress” card, which they do quite frequently. I think you’re just evincing one of the ways in which women promote what feminists call “toxic masculinity.” The…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 05:08 PM
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Most of the responses are horrible. No on expressing any empathy for the kid, just slamming him for being angry about it and assuming his views are the result of him reading something untrue online. Total denial of the issue.
/r/MensRights16/02/19 04:58 PM
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Paywall.
/r/MensRights16/02/19 04:51 PM
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You can still tell me the gist and number of comments to facilitate discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:23 PM
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“Tons.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:22 PM
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What were the comments and how many were there?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:54 PM
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This is a pandemic, a national health crisis. We need to raise awareness of this issue and get all women to stop doing it. This is a toxic aspect of femininity that we need to purge from our culture. Not all women are like this, but all women have the capacity to be like this, and we need to protect them from themselves by raising them to be less toxic. I think a good slogan would be “Teach women to not be cunts.” We should all teach our daughters to not be cunts. Make sure your mom knows she sh…
/r/MensRights15/02/19 04:52 PM
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there were already quite a few racist responses to this post alone Links, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:43 PM
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So, the only way to avoid becoming a hate subreddit is to make sure you have a healthy number of right-wing and left-wing voices? I think PPD is doing just fine in that department. Also, this notion of yours is nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:38 PM
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LOL, okay. Just checking: Left-wing ones don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:27 PM
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You’re complaining about political bias being injected into posts by users, and yet you’ve made a post that claims all right-wing subs eventually devolve into racist hate-mongering? The absence of self-awareness here is frightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:18 PM
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Was it in response to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 11:36 PM
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I don’t know what your experience is, man, but in mine, MGTOW ain’t that bad. The real ones are good people who don’t really have a problem with women, just the game and the laws. Frustration breeds anger, that’s for sure, but there’s no real hate. On the other hand, incels have been consumed by hate, and they’re a problem. Don’t confuse the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 11:20 PM
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Pretty sure incels invaded r/mgtow though, particularly after their own sub got banned. There’s a lot of misogynistic shit on that sub these days. It used to be more like r/childfree, where users make jokes about parents and share stories about parenting problems and bad kids for communal schadenfreude. r/mgtow was mostly that type of stuff, but about men dating women. Now, there’s a lot of just straight up women-hating there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:10 PM
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MGTOW started off okay, but became really misogynistic once the incels got wind of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:06 PM
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Why do some women get so damn defensive when men say they want a girlfriend with big tits, a skinny waist, fat ass, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 03:52 PM
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Me!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 10:05 PM
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We tend to lie a lot less.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 05:21 PM
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Because you have women on your facebook who say negative things about men, you felt the need to post on here asking the users to stop. She did not ask users here to stop. She didn’t even allege they did the same thing. “Strange” that you think so. There is not a lot of insane “feminist” women on here, so it seems odd to ask this question. LOL, yes there are. I’ve seen users on here allege that false accusations aren’t just rare they dont happen, because “women don’t lie about that.” I’ve seen us…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:17 PM
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No prob, and good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 10:32 PM
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Develop higher standards for people, and refuse to associate with the ones who disappoint you. One of the main mistakes I see men make in dating is going for attractive, but trashy women. Pretty girls get the world handed to them on a platter; this spoils them, and makes them entitled cunts. Don't bother with them; they're a waste of time and resources. Ignore them with extreme prejudice. Don't give them the time of day. That's how you get back at them--by refusing to be their patsy in any capac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:57 PM
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I learned a long time ago that initial social interactions are the result of waiting for an open moment where you can insert yourself in a socially acceptable way, tempered with the chutzpah to stretch the envelope of said appropriateness enough for you to get in without breaking it. For example, just going up to someone and saying, “hi, my name is Tedesche, I’m new here.” Sometimes you need something in common to talk about, so identifying a topic to break the ice can help. But I don’t bother i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:34 PM
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I only approach romantically after getting to know the girl first. The first “date” is never a date. It’s a friendly lunch, preferably with others present, preferably my friends or hers. It’s a coffee break or an extended conversation born of small talk. She won’t see my place until I’m ready for her to spend the night there. And when I finally do approach, it’s not very romantic; it’s pretty upfront, honest, and always with a relatively discrete “out” for her—I usually make it clear I assume th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 01:42 PM
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Plenty of people in the mainstream are willing to accept that men have issues and are discriminated against, they just don’t like it being brought up in the context of women suffering or have the dreaded phrase “men’s rights” attached to it. There’s a huge issue with cognitive dissonance and feminism for the mainstream—they need it to remain pure and good, and cannot acknowledge it has faults and is a haven for misandry. In their minds, feminists will get to these issues and/or are not obstacles…
/r/MensRights11/02/19 10:08 PM
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Fair distinction, good point.
/r/MensRights11/02/19 09:59 PM
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How can I be bitter about that when I am a virgin? You can still be bitter about men doing this, even if it's never personally happened to you. But whatever, you say it's about your BF showering his previous GF with more gifts than he showers you. I guess that explains the bitter tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:58 PM
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LOL, whatever, dude, you know exactly what I'm talking about, and I'm not going to humor your dumb act. Adios.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:56 PM
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Chip from being hit on too often? Doesn't even make sense. No, that's...not what the phrase means. I was referring to your slight about women not wanting me. That was unnecessary and hostile. That's what makes it seem like you were trying to start shit. Stop being a dick, maybe? But we aren't actually disagreeing in the end. You should just get that chip off your shoulder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 08:58 PM
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Sad that Britain is behind you guys on this....
/r/MensRights11/02/19 05:41 PM
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In my experience, when women say they want a "real man," they're almost always referring to one of the following: 1.) A willing slave. 2.) A willing meat shield and/or hired thug. 3.) A willing wallet. 4.) Someone who has no problems of their own. 5.) A better sex partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:34 PM
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??? No, you seem like you’re bitter about men complaining about women not doing everything in bed with them that they’ve done with past partners. I’m not really understanding your other complaint. You’re saying you’re bitter that a guy might have showered an ex with gifts, but not you, and it’s somehow unfair to you that you get half of his wealth? I feel like I must not be following you correctly, can you explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 03:41 PM
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You seem really bitter about what you mentioned in the body of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 08:26 AM
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No, it’s just people’s sensibilities changing over time, due to ever-increasing feminist paranoia.
/r/MensRights10/02/19 06:45 PM
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Yeah, with women, I’ve heard, “wear real clothes, not fishnet underwear.”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 10:31 PM
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This post reeks of bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 02:04 PM
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Different issue, but still not a problem.
/r/MensRights08/02/19 02:39 PM
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As long as universities aren’t punished financially for this sort of behavior, they will continue to engage in it. It’s always been about their bottom line, it’s just now feminists have successfully changed their financial and PR incentives to always convict rather than sweep complaints under the rug. This ain’t going away folks. Life for male college students is going to be very unfair for the foreseeable future.
/r/MensRights08/02/19 01:00 PM
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The reason they started accepting girls is because their membership is down, not because they caved to SJWs/feminists. Personally, I don’t have a problem with this. The Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts are very different organizations, and there’s nothing wrong with girls doing traditional boy scouting activities or boys doing traditional girl scouting activities. Honestly, they should probably just combine the two organizations and do away with all the petty rivalry. This is a non-issue IMO.
/r/MensRights08/02/19 05:12 AM
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Why would she be arrested? She’s a woman being accused of sexual assault, not some monster, like a man being accused of the same. Poor woman was inebriated and did not have her full faculties with her, she’s as much a victim as the man she abused. My god, we should give her a medal for her suffering, have taxpayers pay for her substance abuse counseling, and invite her to political events and talk shows to speak about how horrendous her experience has been. /s
/r/MensRights08/02/19 03:58 AM
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You seem to think being falsely accused of rape is a walk in the park. Talk to some people who have experienced it, and I think you’ll find it’s incredibly traumatizing. Here’s a good question: why the fuck can’t you just condemn both rapists and false accusers of rape and get off this justice boner you have about who has it worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 03:48 AM
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Agreed, but everything you said essentially applies equally well to feminist rhetoric about men. They take a tiny sample of bad men and talk about all men like they’re all like that or have the potential to be that way. Where are all the posters and videos encouraging women to not be abusive, manipulative, shallow cunts? Nowhere, because feminists don’t give a damn about women’s bad behavior, and they label anyone who does sexist. So I can’t really be moved to give a crap about the bullshit TRP …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 03:42 AM
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Your mental world is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 02:27 AM
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It’s not a strawman. If anything, you’re the one crafting strawmen. You haven’t actually made an argument this entire time, just made baseless assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 01:55 AM
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How they debate you and others is something else. “Because something hasn’t happened to me, it doesn’t exist.” LOL, how do you live in the world? It’s the men here who hold on to hate! I’ve personally witnessed men here bonding over things. You’re just blind to it, because you’re sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 07:59 PM
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The women here haven’t willfully (or earnestly) misinterpreted logical rhetoric LOL, such bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 06:42 PM
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Given women’s desire for sex is relatively limited and controlled by their periods (compared to men at least), it’s easy to say that women, in general desire sex less than men do. I wouldn’t disagree with that. I don’t doubt this is the case, but those very specific ways are actually the most vilified. Yes, they are, which is arguably one of the ways in which women foment “toxic masculinity,” and (more appropriately) are misandrist. It’s only derided in women who show a tendency to make poor cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 01:31 PM
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Still more brave of a man to ask a woman out (especially one he’s just met) than it is for a woman to say yes or go out with him. Agreed. TRP men may complain about “women being bi***es” Not just TRP men, not by a long shot. all pill colors of women complain about a lack of “good” men and how hard it is to find a partner. Most women I know don’t make this complaint. I’m not convinced the majority of women have it, at least not to any substantial degree. I don’t think most men have it either. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:15 PM
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I live in one of those countries. There is indeed feminism and a movement to curtail harassment. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m sorry, I misread your original comment and thought you were claiming those countries did NOT have feminist or anti-harassment movements. My apologies. And while you have a point on follow-up studies, if all you have is a skeleton like this, you really shouldn’t publish it. No, no, not true at all! Plenty of great studies are ones that find surprising initia…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 11:17 AM
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Better late than never, but I think if you look at the history of feminism you can easily see the seeds of the 4th wave as early as the 2nd. A lot of mainstream feminism today was considered radical in the 1970s and 80s. Even affirmative consent was considered radical in the 90s. Feminism has been getting more and more extreme for a while now, basically since women achieved legal equality in the 50s. It’s also worth mentioning that even today, not all feminist agendas are bad. #MeToo has had del…
/r/MensRights07/02/19 10:58 AM
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women who date men are doing something brave Nah. Despite what some feminists say, women aren’t making calculated decisions about whether or not a guy is going to rape her when she considers going out on a date with him. The few that do are paranoid. men who ask women out are doing something brave Eh. Yeah, technically, because rejection is a very real possibility and hurts, but this is setting the bar for bravery pretty low. I’m willing to bet a very large bowl of M&Ms that a big chunk of the 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 10:32 AM
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You’re sad anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 09:54 AM
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Yay? You’ve yet to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 02:15 AM
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Also, you didn’t respond to my points about MRAs not criticizing women. On what basis do you believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 01:49 AM
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Typical. Although, I have found that complaints to HR about women doing/saying bad things aren’t always entirely ignored. You have to judge based on the organization, but I’ve had complaints handled well in the past. Mainly, they just want to avoid lawsuits, so if you make a complaint, they’ll usually punish the person you’re accusing, at least with a warning. Companies don give a shit about what’s right and wrong, but they understand public perceptions of such affect their bottom line. You just…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 01:48 AM
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AVFM isn’t a charity or an organization that does anything beyond awareness-raising for men’s rights. I’ve called Paul Elam a dick to his “face” online. I don’t like their attitude, but I appreciate that they support the cause—they’re one of the few who do. I hope you support non-feminist men’s rights organizations too. Feminist ones are basically oxymoronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 01:40 AM
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The most recent one was on “toxic masculinity,” and the presenter very clearly had a misandrist bias. I asked a confirmatory question, “we’re talking about a small minority of men here, right?” Her response was “no, we’re talking about most men,” in a very biting tone. Non-misandrist feminists like to deny that misandrist feminists are in any way prevalent or influential, but they’ve got their heads in the sand and/or can’t recognize misandry when they see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 11:50 PM
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MRAs call feminism out on its misandry, we don’t badmouth women. And we do fight for men’s issues. I myself advocate for them whenever I can and donate to charities for men and organizations that fight for men’s rights. There’s usually links to opportunities to do so on r/mensrights, so your impression that we don’t do that seems born of ignorant prejudice, rather than experience with MRAs. There are very few MRAs on this sub. Don’t make the mistake of lumping TRPers and MRAs together; we’re ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 11:48 PM
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I have problems with capitalism too, but in this case, the problem is misandry in feminism. Why are you defending this bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 10:08 PM
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You have a problem with forms of femininity that are not the designated ones you like, the ones that you believe are beneficial to you. No, I don’t. What have I said that gave you that impression? Feminism has many definitions, and I’m probably not the one to supply a definitive one, but if i had to it would be “letting women define femininity.” If that was all feminism was, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But it’s not just that. It’s express purpose is to reshape society and now masculinity …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 09:24 PM
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Feminism =/= femininity. I can only speak for MRAs, but we have no problem with femininity, only feminism. I think maybe you don’t know entirely what you’re talking about with respect to the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 09:15 PM
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LOL, like you know shit about me, GTFO. Seems like you could use an oral enema.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 08:59 PM
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Worse, there are feminists giving mandatory lectures at my job that I’m required to attend and listen to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:26 PM
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Dude, feminism badmouths men constantly. It's, like, part of it's MO. You have to have your head in the sand to be ignorant of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 02:43 PM
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While I sympathize with your anger about the issue, it does not mean women have less empathy for men than vice versa. Don’t forget, in some countries, some pretty bad shit actually is done to adulterous women. It’s not that men can’t exhibit the same overreaction to infidelity that you saw in those female audiences, it’s that our society makes it taboo. That’s a social more at work, not a gap in empathy between the sexes. Society certainly has less empathy for men, but that’s includes men too.
/r/MensRights06/02/19 01:50 AM
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Rape-by-intoxication laws were designed to combat date rape scenarios in which a guy intentionally gets a girl so drunk she passes out, then fucks her and says she consented later—since she couldn’t remember anything, she had little/nothing to prosecute with. It’s since become “being really drunk absolves women of their responsibility for their sexual decisions,” which is ridiculous.
/r/MensRights06/02/19 01:45 AM
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Yeah, some do. Thankfully, that’s pretty rare too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 01:39 AM
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I’ve been approached. It’s just rare. Get a life, dude; picking fights on the Internet ain’t good for your mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 01:38 AM
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LOL, chill out, dude. That’s quite a chip you’ve got on your shoulder. I know some women approach—I’ve been approached—but it’s honestly quite rare in my experience, and every guy I’ve met has said the same thing. By and large, women signal their openness to being approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 01:37 AM
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No, it’s very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 05:30 PM
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Men are shamed for approaching women. Mrm, sort of. Really, they’re shamed for either approaching poorly or their approach not being desired. Men are expected to read women’s minds perfectly in this regard; if they approach the wrong woman, that woman will be annoyed, because rejecting someone is awkward, and we taught women that they aren’t responsible for courtship. When women are the passive selectors and men the active performers, obviously women will complain that men aren’t performing well…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:13 PM
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Women do approach. Not really. Women signal openness to being approached; not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:08 PM
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FYI to anyone commenting, OP is a troll account.
/r/MensRights01/02/19 02:35 PM
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They are two different concepts with similar roots that affect a lot of the same issues. No, they're talking about the same phenomenon. When women engage in harmful behaviors due to an adherence to their gender norm, we call that "internalized sexism," but when men do the exact same thing, we call it "toxic masculinity." Same thing, different terms. Men being misogynistic isn't "toxic masculinity," because they're encouraging women to stick to their gender norms. If you are not propigating that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 09:49 PM
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Yah.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:20 PM
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Then let me reassert that that definition is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:16 PM
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By this logic, imagining a real person and masturbating to that mental image is cheating. I think your definition of cheating here is a bit ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:00 PM
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Yeah, well, I think it’s silly too, but that doesn’t change the fact that more men than not buy into this culture to varying degrees, and guess what—more women than not do too. Plenty of women are more than happy to be the trophy if it nets them nice things and classy experiences, and those women compete with their female peers on that front as well, posting selfies on social media and wearing expensive gifts to show off their sexual prowess. It is a silly culture, but it is nonetheless an ancie…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 01:18 PM
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Wanting to fuck your date is not in any way respecting you. That is insane projection by men who fantasize that p**** will magically give them the social status they never had. Some of those men are going to immediately challenge you and flirt with her right in front of you. That’s respect? LOL You seem to be out of touch with mainstream male culture. Showing up at a popular venue with a gorgeous woman “on your arm” definitely garners you respect from certain men, as it signals your sexual prowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:58 PM
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This is an insane strawman. It is impossible to discuss gender without gendered language. Sometimes, but not in this case. As I said, if they meant “believe victims, regardless of gender,” they could just say “believe victims,” rather than “believe women.” Reported the rest of your comment for its needless hostility, recording here in case you try to delete it: Even given that—ur entire point of contention is blistering dumb and pedantic and stupid. If someone says “““men breathe air”””r “f“male…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 10:32 PM
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You're not paying attention to this conversation; I suggest you go back and reread it. You claimed the statement "believe women" wasn't gendered. It clearly is. What you meant was that the sentiment behind the statement could be applied to both genders. My point is that feminists do this all the time: use gendered language to talk about something that isn't actually gender-specific, and by doing so, create a lot of misunderstanding and conflict. Despite this, they stick to their terms and call a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 09:41 PM
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I’ve played that game with MRA in the past and “believe victims” turns into a similar “how do you know they’re victims without a conviction” sideshow of willful obtuseness. And yet I haven’t said any of that. Sounds like a product of anti-MRA bias to me. In other words your issues boil down to semantic bikeshedding and nothing of actual substance while betraying a lack any actual concern for victims. The only “issue” I’ve raised here is with your contention that feminists don’t use gendered lang…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:16 PM
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You said the statement wasn't gendered. It is. If it wasn't, it would refer to accusers or victims or survivors, not women or men. If you want people to not be confused about what you're talking about, maybe you should speak more plainly? Maybe all feminist complaints about these sorts of things could be solved more efficiently by simply changing their rhetoric to actually be non-gendered, rather than claiming they're misunderstood, but refusing to speak more clearly? Just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:23 PM
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It's not really gendered either. It literally says "believe all women."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 02:46 PM
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If the woman (or man) in question can’t do all the tasks involved in the job, she should not have the job. Equality—it really ain’t that complicated.
/r/MensRights30/01/19 01:38 PM
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Misandrist OP spouts misandry. News at eleven.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 02:11 PM
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Women need to check twice as often as men and so should be more used to it. How do you figure?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 01:33 PM
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I’ve always thought the “put the seat back down” rule was stupid, precisely because it’s takes all of a fraction of a second to check. What this is really about is women having only one position for number 1 & 2, so they aren’t used to checking, because they only ever lift the seat up for cleaning. This is about them not wanting to have to learn to check by demanding men learn to restore the toilet to their preferred state after each use. It’s arrogant and entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 07:08 AM
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You said the comparison was unjustified. I contend it’s not. I don’t see whatever contradiction in my argument you’re trying to point out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:38 PM
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The bias is that when feminists talk about this stuff in women, they call it “internalized misogyny,” and argue that society has to change, whereas when they talk about it among men, they call it “toxic masculinity,” and argue men have to change. The blame is always on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:29 PM
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That there are niche pockets of feminists who acknowledge the term isn’t the same thing as the majority of feminists and influential feminist organizations putting out ads drawing attention to it, urging schools to teach courses on it and include information about it in sex ed. classes, etc. Many feminists deny its a thing. It has nowhere near the same level of support as a concept among feminists—that’s the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:28 PM
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Using people is about misleading them. Men definitely mislead women to get them to have sex, and women definitely mislead men to get free stuff. The comparison is perfectly apt. I agree with you that honesty is the most important thing, but what many men have found is that being honest about their desire for just sex results in no sex. I don’t know if many women have been honest about just wanting free shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:25 PM
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I mean, it’s pretty obvious to me the mom was just pissed, because the father told their son to disregard her advice. Unsurprising that redditors construed it as the dreaded toxic masculinity, since anything that goes against what women say is construed as either that or mansplaining these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 02:12 AM
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Toxic masculinity is the guy making fun of you for using product to style your beard/hair ‘like a woman.’ That’s the problem with the concept: it links stuff that isn’t actually limited to masculinity to masculinity. Women bully, and in different ways than men do, but we don’t call that “toxic femininity,” do we? This is all just about feminist bias, linking societal harms to being male. You claim this helped you, but you’d have been helped just fine by a ln ideology that didn’t rhetorically dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 11:54 PM
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I feel like I could have written that article, it took so many observations out of my own head. Of course, I never was religious, but I went through an angry period some years back when I realized just how influential religious organizations are and how they wield their power for selfish ends more often than not. Much of my recent “phase”—if it is one—of antagonism towards feminism and social justice has been prompted by the realization of how widespread feminism has become and how it’s misandri…
/r/MensRights27/01/19 10:28 PM
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I would argue the reverse, but whatever. Point is, you can’t disagree with this stuff anymore without being labeled something despicable. In my mind, ideologies aren’t necessarily that way, but religions are.
/r/MensRights27/01/19 08:25 PM
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This is why I consider feminism and social justice to be secular religions at this point. Disagree? Heretic.
/r/MensRights27/01/19 04:23 PM
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Scary that so many people actually think this way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 03:20 PM
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Use you powers of empathy to assess whether or not she’s being genuine with you in the moment and base your responses on that, instead of trying to make judgments based on societal stereotypes. Also, is there any reason you like this woman, apart from her looks? If not, this is sort of a moot question, is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 02:26 PM
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I’ve seen MRAs and MGTOWs feel emasculated if they were called wimpy or effeminate or soy. How do you know they feel emasculated? Isn’t it more likely they just got pissed, because someone just lobbed an insult at them? If you get mad when I call you a racist bigot, well then it must be true, because why else would you get mad? Your denial of my insult is actually proof that my insult is accurate! See the circular logic there? Stop thinking with it. It’s given you a very silly idea of the “manos…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 01:41 PM
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How are MRAs obsessed with how masculinity can get them laid? How is MGTOW obsessed with that? You claimed the manophere was obsessed with this—did you really just mean TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 01:32 PM
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We’re not. In fact, it’s feminists that are obsessed with masculinity these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 01:19 PM
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Yeah, and it's a shame, because there really aren't enough truly strong female leads out there. Such a shame feminists and SJWs don't know the difference between an actual independent, strong woman and a "girl power!" cheerleader.
/r/MensRights25/01/19 08:38 PM
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When it’s your turn to be Empress you can do whatever you like. Reow. Calm your tits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 08:05 PM
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No, I would not criminalize paternity fraud. To me that veers too close to making adultery illegal, and I’m not trying to be that kind of Empress. Oh, I very much disagree. Paternity fraud is tricking a person into funding another person’s life for 20 years. It’s a particularly cruel form of theft, not just an emotional harm created by an age-old mating practice. I absolutely think it deserves punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 07:58 PM
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Well, the reason I’m asking is because you say there should be no punishment for paternity fraud, and the only way I can see that being justified is if you make it so that fraud is impossible to commit. Only way to do that is by mandatory testing of every child at birth, but you’re saying parents can “opt out” of that testing? Or did you mean both parents opt out of parenthood? Shouldn’t testing still be done? And what about children that aren’t born in a hospital? Basically, if you’re saying th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 07:32 PM
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When you say “unless the parents opted out,” you mean that a guy has to be there and voluntarily take legal paternal responsibility for the child, so that no other guy can be tricked into taking on that role, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 06:44 PM
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Also, it avoids mislabeling actual nice guys in a derogatory way? Oh, wait, feminists don’t care about that, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 01:38 PM
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It’s women adhering to a traditional feminine beauty norm (long hair), despite it being easier to manage short hair and short hair being less likely to get caught in wind turbines and desk fans.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 10:06 PM
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So true! It's true--men occupy the highest positions of power in society, but we also occupy the lowest. Women mostly exist in the middle, away from either extreme.
/r/MensRights23/01/19 08:51 PM
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Toxic femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 08:42 PM
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Bingo. OP is being really naïve about how society works here, and even a cursory glance at history shows minority populations are never “valued” for their scarcity. All this would do is create a matriarchy in which men were truly oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 10:59 PM
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Good luck! The fight against this sort of misandry needs to start somewhere.
/r/MensRights22/01/19 10:54 PM
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That’s got Title IX written all over it. Talk to your parents and see if they’ll get a legal consult to see if you guys can file a complaint about your school.
/r/MensRights22/01/19 10:42 PM
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I said I’m not bothering with you. You can do your own research.
/r/MensRights22/01/19 08:25 AM
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Oh, man, I am not going down this rabbit hole. You’re wrong, the science shows you’re wrong, so convince the scientists and leave me alone.
/r/MensRights22/01/19 08:23 AM
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There is only one place in Western society I would agree a rape-enabling culture exists: prisons.
/r/MensRights22/01/19 06:02 AM
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Forcing it on children is certainly abuse, but if the kid really is trans, it’d be abusive to deny them the procedures that can help them transition. There’s good data that shows transitioning after puberty is fraught with additional problems that can be avoided if you transition before puberty. Obviously, we have to be really careful about which kids we do this to, but there are good reasons to transition trans kids early.
/r/MensRights22/01/19 05:46 AM
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I remember being in my teens and liking this girl. Made some (bad) attempts at flirtation and got shot down pretty hard. Months later, a friend of that girl tells me she actually does like me, she just wanted me to really try for her. I was dumbfounded at first, but it taught me something about women. I didn’t make another pass at that girl, and from then on, this “token resistance” crap was a big red flag for me. Served me pretty damn well too. I’ve seen lots of guys chase after girls like that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 05:35 AM
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That’s not radical feminism, that’s just feminism.
/r/MensRights21/01/19 11:13 PM
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[sheds single tear] Equality is beautiful!
/r/MensRights20/01/19 07:08 PM
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Done.
/r/MensRights20/01/19 06:12 PM
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Recruitment of male nurses is hard for the same pipeline reasons recruiting female construction workers is hard: gender norms discourage/encourage entry into certain fields, based on gender norms and history. The problem with is that, when we talk about the problem of there being few women construction workers, we blame the construction industry for being sexist and alienating to women, but when we talk about the problem of there being few male nurses, we blame men for being sexist and alienatin…
/r/MensRights20/01/19 05:56 PM
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Political bias. It’s just another example of people on one vaguely-defined side characterizing the moderates of the other vaguely-defined side as just as bad as these other extremists who are also on that vague-defined side. And it will likely continue forever in all it’s glorious idiocy, because it is likely rooted in the idiotic parts of human neurology.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:42 PM
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In that I’m not particularly macho or traditional, don’t enjoy sports, and work in a predominantly female field, doing talk therapy—yes. But I was using the feminine/masculine archetypes to say I basically just prefer balanced individuals who don’t overly adhere to societal norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 04:29 PM
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why do you think it has to be this way for men? Because, unfortunately, many women make it so. And it’s the same with the shitty women so many men complain about: they’re like that, because a lot of men select for that behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 01:27 AM
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TBH, both communities are pretty shit IMO. r/TRP is horrendous if you disagree with anything they say, and r/relationships or r/sex is horrendous if you disagree with them there. Misogyny among TRPers is more naked and apparent, but misandry among feminists is subtle and insidious.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 12:58 AM
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This is how it’s done, Gillette. Jesus, I hope more companies take a hint from this. Also, I now have the answer to my brand dilemma. Schick, you have just gained a customer!
/r/MensRights19/01/19 12:55 AM
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Shaming is not educational. It doesn’t teach anything except that something is viewed negatively by the shamer, which is why it doesn’t really work to stop the psychological problems underlying bad behavior, it just polices the behavior, while creating resentment and pain. Shaming is never the right response to bad behavior. Empathy and explanation are far superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 12:15 AM
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Giving free and limitless blowjobs. Worst female trait: gag reflex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 10:52 PM
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I tend to like “feminine” men and “masculine” women. Manly men and girly girls are super-boring. So, in women, I tend to appreciate the following: A raunchy sense of humor. A pragmatic approach to problems in their own lives. Short haircuts. Masculine clothing. Independence. That’s not to say I don’t appreciate feminine traits in women as well though. As I think most men will agree, women who like to cuddle and be the “little spoon” are a turn-on, for example. EDIT: However, those are just (some…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 10:49 PM
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I don’t think TRP itself neglects character, it’s just that a lot of TRPers have incredibly bad taste in women. TRPers think most women are trash, because TRPers tend to go for trashy women. It’s kind of amusing that women complain about misogyny in TRP though, since it’s usually a direct response to misandry among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 10:41 PM
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Same here.
/r/MensRights14/01/19 09:51 PM
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They're banking on the notion that more of their customers are SJWs than not, or at least that the rest won't be offended. I've already sent them a disapproving message and will not be buying more of their products.
/r/MensRights14/01/19 09:43 PM
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Toxic femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 01:17 PM
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Of course it’s dishonest. It’s fake. Fake is dishonest. This isn’t that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 04:02 AM
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Toxic femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 08:05 PM
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Q: Are there examples of traditionally masculine men who are not mentally unwell or unfit for society? A: Yes. C: Traditional masculinity is not the problem; the APA has missed something (or, more likely, intentionally ignored it). It's pretty pathetic that such a prestigious organization has fallen in with such biased research. However, this was the same organization that helped the CIA torture prisoners of war during the Bush tenure, so....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 09:10 PM
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Eh. Yes and no. Hard to delineate how much of sustained, extreme success is luck vs. skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 09:00 PM
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Yes, if the father hasn't been a part of raising the kids, he doesn't deserve any parental rights. However, to the extent that he did help--even just to the point of having relationships with them--he deserves some time with them. Just as the wife deserves some financial compensation for raising them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 08:59 PM
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Pretty sure a right-leaning one would work with him.
/r/MensRights11/01/19 05:16 PM
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Wouldn’t whistleblower status protect this supposed “leaker” if they were to go public about all this? Seems odd to “leak” this onto Reddit of all places, rather than an actual news organization.
/r/MensRights11/01/19 06:46 AM
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What defines a good woman and what defines a trashy one according to you? Well, I’m admittedly using very broad terms there, so I’m not sure I could give you solid definitions for them, but in this context “good” women/men are ones worth getting into an LTR with and “trashy” ones aren’t—usually because they’re going to take advantage of you and ply to your long-term desires for short-term personal gain (e.g. men being nice to women just to fuck them and leave, and women being nice to men just to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 06:01 AM
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Kappa Cucks. Phi Friends. Gamma Gamers. Chi Cunts. Epsilon Emos. Zeta Zeroes. Theta THOTs. Delta Dicks. Omega Oreos. Tau Trans. Mu Men. Lambda Ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:37 AM
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Also, no bs I do sometimes believe that reductive models are useful, we can talk about things in a reductive shorthand that is incomplete or technically incorrect but useful in that it is an easily grasped model Yeah, there’s some utility to it, but it runs the risk of some people actually thinking the over-simplified explanation is more legit than it really is. For example: zodiac signs, the MBTI, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:26 AM
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Alright, that’s fair, but if you’re gonna claim a over-simplistic explanation for a complex topic in a debate sub...just sayin’. Plus, I’ve met plenty of RPers who really do think it’s that simple, so....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:40 AM
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Other than that, every time I’ve been nice to girls I just get friendzoned and strung along like the idiot I was Girls seem much more attracted to me now that I mind my business and don’t put them on a pedestal? Sounds like you misunderstood what “being nice” means in healthy relationships. It isn’t chivalry, putting your partner up on a pedestal, and showering them with attention. It means bein empathic, caring, respectful and cooperative, but not to your own detriment. Prioritizing their desir…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:35 AM
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No, this stuff is just way more complicated than you care to account for. The specific breed of animal you descended from developed pair-bonding as its primary mating strategy, so there’s actually more in your biology that motivates you to be monogamous than promiscuous. And on top of that, biology is only one piece of the equation. If you want to limit your understanding of yourself to such a simple formula, fine, but know that the truth is much more complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:20 AM
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Only while giving birth. https://www.sciencealert.com/do-women-tolerate-pain-better-than-men It’s a pretty difficult thing to study since it’s so subjective, but the data actually suggest men tolerate most forms of pain better than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:16 AM
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LOL, sorry, but that’s really just a testament to you having a poor judge of personality. Personality and charisma are very different things, and charisma isn’t the main thing you should be going for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:12 AM
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After Googling some more articles on the topic, it does not appear that conclusion is anywhere near as widely accepted as you claim. Ultramarathon records are still dominated by men at the top, and while there is some scientific evidence that women biologically should be better at long-distance running than men, it’s relatively new and hasn’t been fully studied yet, much less squared with the actual performance data.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:10 AM
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What about AWALT then? It’s bullshit? but it’s not like RP men chase trash unless they only want a high N count like you said? My point was that the ones who subscribe to the view that most/all women only pretend to want nice guys, but really want trashy ones are biased by themselves pursuing mostly trash. There are RPers out there who use RP strategies to pursue LTRs, and they’re idiots IMO. I wouldn’t mind just having sex with trash girls, but it’s the dimes that I’d rather try to see if I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:57 PM
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I like doing it bc of my animal nature and testosterone First of all, “animal nature” is a vague and meaningless term. Second, testosterone is not the only factor involved in a person’s sexual behavior. You could easily merely have a deficient ventral pallidum or have a smaller than average prefrontal cortex, and that’s just considering the brain. Also, testosterone is associated with competitiveness, so you may very well subconsciously be in it for the challenge and not even realize it. Regardl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:53 PM
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Pretty much anything athletic. I think men tend also to be better at cognitive tasks requiring spatial awareness, intuitive understanding of mechanical physics, and “hard” logic or math, but I admit I haven’t looked it up in a while. I would not agree women are necessarily better communicators. Women tend to be better at one-on-one interpersonal skills, but those don’t always translate to group dynamics. They have been shown to be more empathic on average. This tends to make them better nurturer…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:34 PM
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My statement that I know plenty of men who have gotten “tons of sex” was predicated on the oft-stated line by men who want “tons of sex” with lots of different women. If all you want is lots of sex, it makes way more sense to go for LTRs. Your point is that the latter type of men really are in it for the challenge, because they’re using a high n-count as evidence of their desirability, so the goals really are different. Fine, but at least admit you’re in it for the challenge, and stop bitching a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:24 PM
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If you’re in it for the challenge, stop bitching about how hard it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:12 PM
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I know plenty of nice guys who have gotten tons of sex. They just tend to have gotten it from a relatively short list of nice women. As I’ve said countless times in the past, RP men’s problems mainly stem from chasing trash. And honestly, it’s no different when you’re talking about women who complain that “all men want is sex, they’re all lying, cheating bastards!” They just have poor taste in men. Develop higher standards when it comes to personality in your choice of partners. I’ll take a 6 wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 10:56 PM
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Not at all. Do I feel sorry for women in bygone eras? Well, I suppose if they were still alive I might. I certainly feel bad for women in less developed parts of the world, where they're still oppressed, but the fact of that matter is that women in developed nations haven't been oppressed in my lifetime, so no, I don't feel bad for them. I also don't feel guilty for whatever societal benefits I get from being white, straight, and male. I can't control any of that, and I don't owe anyone shit for…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 10:05 PM
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Statistically, this isn’t really true I’m not necessarily saying it happens a lot, but I am saying the incentive is there and likely contributes to the rate. Are you saying women aren’t in a position where they could do this very frequently? That seems odd to me. To be clear, the situation I’m talking about is one in which they’re the primary caregiver, so they’ll get the kids and a chunk of their ex’s money, whether through alimony, shared property that the husband bought for them, 50/50 laws, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 05:41 PM
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Always interesting to see that people you only know for their public accomplishments and actions have actual lives, full of all the turmoil, pain, and love that yours is. I wish her the best, and hope The Red Pill hasn't gotten her blacklisted in the film industry.
/r/MensRights10/01/19 03:06 PM
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I’m surprised you haven’t considered the economic incentives. Most marriages and divorce laws leave women in a state where they can keep the kids and get a substantial payout from the guy they’re leaving. Seeing as they’ve already got kids, the wall is less of an issue, and while they’re unlikely to find another man who’ll marry them, they can date plenty and not run into nearly as many problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 01:43 PM
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The sub is dedicated to discussing TRP, which is pretty damn misogynistic, so obviously there are going to be a preponderance of misogynistic posts. BP isn’t even really a thing, it’s just “not TRP,” so BPers tend to just argue against RP posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 01:37 PM
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Oh, I see, you’re referring to the dumb laws I already said were dumb and don’t exist in all states. Yes, I get that, under Washington State law, she’s entitled to half of his wealth. That’s dumb, and the same applies to his debts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 07:29 AM
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No, again, you’re mixing up business with marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 07:14 AM
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Yeah, but it doesn’t have to (and shouldn’t) be for 50% of all assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 05:24 AM
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No, you’re equating business with marriage, which makes you sound like an arch-RPer, ironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 05:15 AM
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Fair enough, I was assuming that, but if my assumption was correct then my view remains the same. And it doesn’t change if he decided to leave her either; she still deserves compensation for her career sacrifice, just not in the billions of dollars range. However, IMO, adultery should come with a penalty in divorce court (and does in some jurisdictions). I’m open to debate about how much that should be, but it’s also not in the billions of dollars range. Mind you, the point I’m making is that do…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:36 AM
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I can see you guys are hella sexist because if a man had put in that kind of work and sacrifice you’d expect Jeff not to be disloyal trash ands pay him accordingly. No, I wouldn’t, stop projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:28 AM
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I don’t need to. The one I gave was fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:26 AM
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well, it does, legally. Yup. Bad law IMO. Terribly unfair. beyond that, it is incredibly demanding to be the spouse of someone who runs any business. it was undoubtedly taxing on their marriage and likely lowered his effectiveness as a partner. she also popped out 3 kids for him and raised his family. this is all besides the fact that she was there from the beginning and was actually an ‘employee’. Sorry, but it’s not billions of dollars hard. Jesus, some people act like being a mother and house…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:23 AM
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In their state, by the current laws, yes. But my statement that it doesn’t wasn’t meant to reflect those laws; I was stating my disagreement with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:17 AM
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No, it’s not, you’re just nit-picking, cuz you’ve got nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:14 AM
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Eh. The message of the ad is that, by not speaking out against things you disagree with, you miss opportunities to change the minds of others. What the ad displays (but it’s message ignores) is that the people at the table (including the women) are staying silent, because they don’t want the conversation to devolve into a fight. The message implies that this is cowardly, but the reality of the situation is that it’s actually just a peacekeeping effort. The guy talking clearly understands the res…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:13 AM
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Typical FB—fine to make generalized derogatory statements about men, but women? Sexist pig!
/r/MensRights10/01/19 04:02 AM
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If she was actually a full partner in his company, meaning she owned as much stock as him, she’s obviously entitled to that. But being someone’s spouse does not entitle you to 50% of everything they earn.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 03:39 AM
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LOL, his skill as a CEO is nowhere near the same thing as a lottery ticket gamble.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 03:38 AM
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I don’t think I could think of a falser equivalent than that example.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 03:00 AM
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When the sum total is in the billions? Fuck yeah it’s worth less than half. Way less. There’s an argument to be made for the unpaid work of SAHPs, but it’s not in the billion- or even million-dollar range. Not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 02:58 AM
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Why do you assume he (much less men in general) require it of their wives? You think he just demanded it of her and she caved, rather than that they came to an agreement about it? “Amazing how women make choices and then claim they had no choice.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 02:35 AM
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Bezos: Starts a company and runs it for many years, turning into an economic juggernaut. Bezos’s Wife: Starts same company, then quits and raises some children and does housework. Yeah, totally equal effort put in, so equal 50/50 split. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 02:13 AM
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Does that mean she’s entitled to half? Yes. No, it doesn’t. If you and I start a company, but after a year, I leave, and you go on to turn that company into a huge success, why the fuck should I be entitled to any of the money you made after I left? Obviously, the fact that she’s his wife makes this scenario a little different, but it’s ludicrous to argue that “because she was one of the first employees, she deserves half of what he made after she left work.” EDIT: Your edit makes a world of dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 02:08 AM
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SAHPs should be entitled to some of their ex-spouse’s earnings, obviously, but there needs to be some semblance of common sense when it gets down to the raw numbers. I don’t care how good a mother and housekeeper Bezos’s ex-wife was, her efforts weren’t worth $70 billion or whatever she’s getting. I suppose the argument could be made that her share should be based on how much she might have potentially earned if she hadn’t sacrificed her career to raise the kids and be a homemaker, but assessing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 02:04 AM
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Yes, you have to take breaks to stave off depression and anger. The fact that progress is so slow and there’s so much active resistance to these issues getting any attention, coupled with how popular it’s become to shit all over men in mainstream media of late is infuriating. Then you’ve got feminists claiming they care, but not doing anything and supporting policies that discriminate against men—it feels like gaslighting. Learning about all this stuff has not been good for my mental health, but…
/r/MensRights08/01/19 11:34 PM
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<shrug> I tried to get through to you. I think your views are sexist and unempathic. This guy didn’t do anything to his family, and the “consequences” you speak of are all based on faulty assumptions about his motives. This is definitely victim-blaming, and while you may feel your are empathizing with both sides, IMO, you hold to a perhaps subconscious bias based around the traditional gender role of men as providers. We’re done.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 11:11 PM
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I’ve been celibate for 10+ years and I’m perfectly happy with it. Being single rocks. I don’t get lonely, because I have good friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 10:35 PM
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This is a “have cake and eat it too” position and it’s very common. It stems from feminists freeing women from unfair societal expectations (a good thing), while not simultaneously demanding they take up the relevant responsibilities (a bad thing) with anywhere near the same degree of fervor. In some cases they actively oppose efforts by other groups to hold women accountable in the same ways men are. In other words, it’s feminist sexism. Big surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 10:33 PM
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First racism, then mass shootings, now psychopathy is being chalked up to “toxic masculinity.” Sexist garbage. There are female psychopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 10:04 PM
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M'kay. Well, I think he deserves every penny back, reason being he wouldn't have invested financially if he had known. That's not him saying he wishes he'd never had the kids and would trade them back for the money if he had the choice now. It's not taking the impact of the financial support away from them, and it's not refusing to continue providing it, it's simply demanding that their mother refund his past investment and shoulder the entire burden of the period of time she lied to him about. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 09:13 PM
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Alright, look, we're clearly not going to agree on this, but I'd still like to nail down exactly why we disagree. So, a few points of clarification: 1.) I never accused you of defending the mother. 2.) I never accused you of having a "women are wonderful" attitude. We agree on the mother; I'm not debating that with you. We disagree about the kids' response. I don't think it's fair, and you do. Finally, one thing I have to request: don't refer to my position as having a "justice boner." That's tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 05:42 PM
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I disagree but I’m in a position to let it pass. Disagree all you want, you’re just plain wrong. The original draft of the bill was rejected precisely because it didn’t provide the same protections to male victims. VAWA is poorly named, but it actually does mandate equal protections. Stop spreading the false idea that it doesn’t.
/r/MensRights08/01/19 09:19 AM
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Here’s a post detailing efforts feminists are making to increase disparities between men and women (in women’s favor, of course) in several areas. In the U.S. feminist organizations have consistently opposed shared parenting bills. In the U.K., the government is considering making both misogyny and misandry hate crimes, but while feminists are elated over the former, they’re firmly against the latter. I don’t think you understand how misandrist the feminists speaking for and leading your movemen…
/r/MensRights08/01/19 08:49 AM
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If the new rates are based on more accurate data, and aren’t just blanket assumptions about men being worse drivers, then I’m fine with it. If it just so happens to be the case that men are worse drivers on average, so be it. The important thing is, if you’re a male good driver, you won’t get a higher rate just for being male.
/r/MensRights08/01/19 08:03 AM
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Just because Mom did the first (and worse) shitty thing that destroyed their family doesn’t mean dad is incapable of making it worse, from the kid’s POV. What he did to “make it worse” was simply pursue the justice he deserves. That’s why both you and the children are victim-blaming the father. Because the process of justice is hard on the children, you think they are ethically in the right to cut off contact with him. This whole thing is the mother’s fault, and your argument is that he should f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 05:21 AM
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He’s very publicly acting like he wanted nothing to do with being their dad now that he knows they’re not biologically related to him. No, he’s not. Suing her doesn’t say that. If my dad went on the record and stated he was never my father and was seeking financial recompense from my mom for having assisted in raising me, I’d be really hurt. Then your hurt feelings would be based on a flawed understanding of his actions. Seeking financial redress from someone who lied to you and duped you into m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 03:30 AM
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If he’d known they weren’t his kids to begin with, he’d have terminated his parental rights and not had to pay CS or had a relationship with them. But because he was duped, he developed relationships with them and paid for them. Finding out he was lied to should give him grounds to sue, because it cost him financially, but it shouldn’t put his relationship with his children in jeopardy, because he’s not actually doing any harm to them. This whole notion that it “symbolically” means he’s abandoni…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 02:48 AM
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He’s within his rights to pay for his food alone no matter what her ordering motivations were. Women aren’t entitled to free food on dates, period. I has nothing to do with who asked who out or the price of the meal.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 11:41 PM
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Actually I’d argue that’s the view of anybody thinking he should get all 4mil back. Being a dad means taking care of your kids, emotionally, physically, and financially. If he were to ask for all 4mil back, that’s akin to saying “everything about our relationship was a lie,” which he’s free to do-but then don’t be shocked when your kids take you at your word and never want anything to do with you. Or, what, “I’m still your dad but I take back all the birthday presents and sports practice and doc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 11:36 PM
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This. It’s also possible they just didn’t like OP’s wife, but didn’t want to be direct, so they went after her husband, knowing it would alienate her. And as someone who has played D&D before, I can attest to how ridiculously sensitive and insecure you’d have to be to feel uncomfortable being in a group with a guy you didn’t know. I’d put $100 on the notion that this wasn’t actually the case, and they just said it as a means to an end.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 11:12 PM
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Solidarity. It’s frustrating, and one way of dealing with negative emotions is to seek sympathy from those who are likely to provide it.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 11:05 PM
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The “this” I was referring to was his civil suit against their mother. Your comment was an attempt to explain their reaction, but is contingent on the valuation of fathers as financial providers alone. You’re saying they’re justified in refusing to speak to him, because him trying to get some justice for their mother’s lies equates to him symbolically rejecting them as his children, which just isn’t true. I think you view simply reinforces traditional male gender roles, which is why I call it “b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 11:02 PM
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He’s making it a point to act like he’s not their dad Suing for paternity fraud is not “acting like he’s not their dad,” and that you think so just suggests you view fathers as wallets. His situation is beyond shitty, I get that, but if he's going scorched-earth Suing is going “scorched earth?” Hardly. He’s not rejecting his sons, he’s just trying to get semblance of justice for his wife’s damaging lies. What should be the legal penalty for paternity fraud, if any, in your opinion? And if you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 10:52 PM
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What conversation? I responded to your comment. That’s the only conversation I’ve been a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 10:47 PM
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I don't care what his kids think. This isn't about them; it's about the fact that she fucking duped him into spending a ton of money on her and them, which he wouldn't have if she hadn't fucking lied. She owes him all that money back, plus a huge payment for emotional damages.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 06:17 PM
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Bullshit. Had he known they were not his kids when they were born, he likely would not have stuck around to care for them. Because he was tricked, he did, and now has a relationship with them that he cherishes. He should get the money back from her, because she's a lying cunt who cost him a ton of money that he wouldn't have spent on that family had he known the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 05:31 PM
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No. Jesus Christ, why does TRP have such a horrible view of men? Humans have these things called empathy and attachment that cause us to be kind to each other and value each other more than for just our utility. Get out of this sociopathic mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 02:04 PM
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I would make a complaint to HR/your boss. That sounds like harassment, and if they’re really talking to your students in a suggestive manner like that, that’s also bad for the kids.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 04:40 PM
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Heh—it has that flavor to it, I’ll admit. But really, it seems like she’s more listing reasons it sucks to be a single woman in her 30’s, and that’s not just limited to “everyone else is LTR’d.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:22 AM
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Okay. So it’s a listicle about a woman bitching about how she’s single in her 30’s and “oh noes! all my friends are getting married, I’m such a loser!” I don’t really see what this has to do with men’s rights. Seems more appropriate for PPD. Actually, that gives me an idea....
/r/MensRights06/01/19 03:07 AM
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One thing I will never understand about this sub is why so many posters feel the need to post news articles under titles that contain their emotional spin on the topic. The title of the damn article would have been just fine!
/r/MensRights06/01/19 03:01 AM
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How are love and the sense of betrayal when one cheats “part of the deal?”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 02:50 AM
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I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, I just don’t think it’s anywhere near as revolutionary or unique as the OP is suggesting, and I doubt it will have the impact you suspect it will. We’ve had plenty of men expressing vulnerability in film in the past.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 02:41 AM
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As a libertarian I view relation/marriage as trade I think that’s going to be the main point of disagreement with most folks here. While it certainly involves aspects of trade, it’s pretty damn simplistic to suggest that’s all there is to it. I don’t see how that’s a reasonable view of the topic at all. You’re completely excluding any emotional component, which makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 02:20 AM
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Whoops, sorry, didn’t see.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 01:32 AM
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I looked at the actual study and I agree. It does need improvement, but this is a major step forward.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 12:42 AM
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I’m saying intially and short term men will gravitate towards a woman with HPD because she shows heavy interest in him, flrty and cares heavily about her appearance. And they’re just going to ignore the fact that she’s putting on a fake southern accent, is flirting with their friends just as much as with them, is butting into any conversation not about her, and quite clearly almost comically shallow? I don’t think so. I don’t think men are that dim. And claiming I am misogynistic for listing out…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 11:04 PM
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Have you ever met someone with HPD? I really don’t think you understand how the symptoms manifest. Just looking over the symptom list doesn’t give you an accurate picture of what the disorder actually looks like in person. I tried finding a video of an actual histrionic (not acted), but couldn’t, unfortunately, so I’ll take one more stab at describing it to you. Histrionics are significantly less able to blend into society than borderlines are, and this is because their symptoms manifest in comi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 10:04 PM
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Just made a discussion post with a link to the actual PLOS study.
/r/MensRights05/01/19 09:02 PM
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There was a Metro article posted several times here about this, but this is the actual study. The reason this is important is that the main global index of “gender inequality”—the Global Gender Gap Index (GGGI)—really just focuses on women’s issues and assumes men are already equal to women in every way or privileged. In other words, it literally can’t rate any country as being bad for men in any way, because it doesn’t even bother to assess men’s gender issues. The BIGI seems much better on the…
/r/MensRights05/01/19 08:59 PM
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The point is that men do not have difficulty expressing “weak” emotions, like sadness, fear, or vulnerability. We can do that just fine. The problem is that society sometimes judges men for doing so in certain contexts and actively shames us for complaining about our problems or asking for help.
/r/MensRights05/01/19 08:39 PM
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I can’t access the whole study, and I have questions about its methodology and what it means by “attractiveness.” It mentions that HPD is linked to physical attractiveness, so I’m wondering if that’s what was being measured. Obviously, men are attracted to beautiful women, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re attracted to histrionic personality traits. I’ve met histrionic women in clinical settings. They’re not just pretty girls who love attention and sex. They’re seriously overboard in tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 08:24 PM
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Nah, dude, understanding of color and composition are real cognitive talents/skills that one can be born with an innate advantage in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 01:27 PM
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Yeah, it is, although I’d argue it’s one of those skills where natural talent is far more essential to achieving good outcomes. I just meant that application and taste are different things, and thus, if you happen to be born with good artistic sense (taste), you’ll achieve a good outcome fairly quickly, because learning to apply makeup well—in a mechanical sense—isn’t that hard. For example, anyone can learn to apply lipstick correctly fairly quickly, but learning what shade looks best on you ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 01:16 PM
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It’s useful to fire up the troops with patriotic causes. Idealogues are cheaper than mercenaries, lol. That may be true, but it just wasn’t what happened in the Civil War. As I said, Lincoln’s states reason for fighting the war was preserving the Union, but most of the soldiers were abolitionists to begin with. (Sorry, but I’m probably just an incurable cynic. I’m too old and have seen too much of life to be otherwise.) Hah. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 01:08 PM
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Teenagers are the worst. Again, plenty of teenage girls do a fine job. I would include “taste on what looks good on them” to be part of that skill set. Okay, I think this may be our point of confusion then. I’m just talking about application skill. Taste improving over time is a separate thing. It’s like cuttin hair. It’s fairly simple to learn how to effectively do a trim and basic styling, but creativity and learning what looks best on certain people is an artistic talent. Mechanical skill and…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 01:04 PM
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Okay. Well, I would agree men aren’t attracted to sociopathic women, but I wouldn’t agree women are attracted to sociopathic men. And I maintain that men are actually more attracted to borderlines than histrionics. Also, it’s worth mentioning that most men and women aren’t attracted to any personality disorder. We’re talking about minority segments of the population here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 12:50 PM
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No, although I admittedly have only been here for the better part of a year. Also, I’m mainly here to debate gender topics and feminism, not TRP or dating strategy. Finally, I’ve been doing the former in other subs for much longer than I’ve been here, so a lot of my growth has already occurred. But honestly, most of the people on this sub seem to be pretty entrenched in their views (myself included at this point, probably).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 12:02 AM
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Do you agree that as a man, it is basically inevitable that you will make women feel uncomfortable? Yes, and I’d wager virtually every guy knows this from experience. One of the first lessons every adolescent male learns early on is how long they can look at a girl before they’re “staring like a pervert,” for example. Then the much more complicated process of learning how to proactively flirt begins, and that process is fraught with mistakes that come off as “creepy.” To be honest, I think this …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 11:55 PM
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No, obviously not, and I’m not saying it doesn’t require some practice, but I know too many women who do an adequately good job to think it requires expert skill to pull off for most purposes, certainly dating. The women who fuck it up usually fail due to not knowing what looks good on them, which is about taste, not application skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 11:45 PM
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I’m not trolling, sweetie.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 11:43 PM
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I’d say you just gained an appreciation for the art form. It’s not that I don’t see how one can, and I can certainly appreciate it myself as an art, but I just don’t tend to like it all that much in my sexual preferences. Eye makeup and hair dying are fine, but I detest foundation, blush, nail polish, fake nails, and extensions/wigs. Plastic surgery is usually unattractive to me, although I don’t tend to have an issue with rhinoplasty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 11:42 PM
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And I’d say the answer is the same as in the case of women’s rights: TPTB saw groups that could be exploited as both workers and consumers, and that it was beneficial to them (TPTB) to allow them to play a greater role in society. You can see a similar progression with LGBTs: as more became ‘out,’ manufacturers wanted to the ability to market to them, and suddenly it became socially acceptable (and legally protected) to be gay. Yeah, this is the part I think you’re wrong about. While that’s cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 11:37 PM
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As much as I’d like it to be big, I have a feeling it will be fairly easy for the feminist academic machine to tear apart. Just the fact that Saudi Arabia rated so high on the new scale will be seen as evidence of its invalidity. And quite honestly, while I’m certainly going to look into it more, it’s probably quite likely this scale deserves criticism. The researchers were probably right that the old one was biased towards women’s issues, but I’m betting they went overboard in simplifying it.
/r/MensRights04/01/19 10:29 PM
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The vast majority of women do not have the money, time, interest, or artistic skill to drastically change their looks with makeup. Most women wear a minimal amount if anything. You don’t actually need a tremendous amount of artistic skill with makeup to utilize it effectively. Mascara and eyeliner/shadow can make a face look less “washed out,” and plenty of women wear lipstick on a daily basis for the same reason. It attracts the observer’s eye towards the eyes and lips. Extensions and wigs are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 11:02 AM
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More to my liking. I really don’t like all that fake crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 10:50 AM
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To get back to the original point though, the male government that enacted women’s liberation did so after the ideas of gender equality had taken hold in enough men that there was a majority of public support for them, which took a very long time—generations, not years. And it came in stages (and still is). Also, a big turning point was the end of WWII. While American men were embroiled fighting in the war, women were left to take up their jobs in the factories to keep things running back home. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 08:06 AM
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Oh, there is plenty of good stuff in the world, too, but lots to be cynical about as well. I think people are motivated mainly by self-interest, and one shouldn’t be surprised when it manifests itself. Yeah, from a certain perspective there’s no such thing as true altruism, and there’s an element of self-interest in every action we take, but there are two complicating factors: 1.) Connections with other people. When we become attached to others, seeing them happy becomes an interest of ours, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 07:46 AM
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LOL, thanks for providing evidence that Eartherry is far from the only brazen misandrist on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 12:27 AM
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My mother thinks this about Hillary. She says the reason she lost is because Americans aren’t ready to elect a female president. I told her I thought there were indubitably more people who voted for her due to her gender than voted against her for it. I also pointed out how she played the gender card at every opportunity, ran a terrible campaign, and colluded with the DNC against her primary rival (Bernie), which undoubtedly turned some liberal voters off of her. Nope—it’s all misogyny to her. W…
/r/MensRights03/01/19 09:15 PM
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Well, I wasn’t trying to imply she was the only person making inflammatory posts around here. This sub is probably more inflammatory than not. And since it’s about debating TRP, yes, most of the inflammatory ones are about women, but that doesn’t excuse the ones about men. From what I’ve seen, Eartherry’s views are just as abhorrently sexist as most of the TRP stuff. The only posts that get worse than that are the occasional incel post and the purge shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 09:03 PM
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We’ll have to agree to disagree then. I think her posts and comments here are atrocious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 08:52 PM
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Claiming men have no control over their sexual urges, are threatened by women’s ability to influence them, and can only cope with this by dominating women isn’t inflammatory to you? I think maybe you just don’t see it, because you’re not a guy, and thus it doesn’t piss you off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 08:44 PM
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You didn’t skim very well. There is a post about her getting a divorce after a period of separation. She also talks about living with her mom at one point. And if you go through her posts, it does sort of sketch a picture of someone who struggles with depression and—coupled with her posts here that really are fairly misandrist—is irrationally angry with others as a result. Here’s an example of what I mean: https://reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a8zhr3/its_all_about_control/ She actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 06:33 PM
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Report them.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 04:00 PM
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(Strategically, not morally.) Still depends on your goal. If you’re just trying to bag her for the night, paying is probably the better option with most women. However, if you’re going for an LTR, paying early on sets up the expectation that it will continue, making your potential future girlfriend a huge cash drain. Also, if it’s an LTR, morality kind of does come into it, because you’ll likely want someone who shares your moral views on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 03:49 PM
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If you can’t file a report, she can’t be punished by law. Legally, you can file a report; it’s just that that report is unlikely to be taken seriously. And in the rare case she is prosecuted, the Bench Book says give her a non-custodial (aka suspended) sentence A suspended sentence is still a legal punishment. You’re pointing out that there are other issues in the British judicial system that impede law victims’ ability to take advantage of these new legal provisions, but that’s a different prob…
/r/MensRights03/01/19 03:41 PM
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“No, those can’t be their actual beliefs! The only explanation is that they’re suffering from a condition observed in traumatized kidnapping victims!” Anyone who goes to such ridiculous lengths to misattribute their opposition’s views is waving a big, red “mindless prejudicial zealot” flag.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 03:00 PM
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Yeah, if you originally saw it as a sausage made from respectable bits of ground meat. But, if you thought they were stuffed with human excrement, seeing how they’re really made would be a relief. Your problem is that you think things are worse than they really are. A response I sympathize with, actually, but...still inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 02:19 PM
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For most people, no, but for you, it might help. I’m a cynic and a misanthrope, but I value truth over my feels, and so make sure I respect the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 01:31 PM
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That was exactly my reaction the first time, and I have to admit I can already feel the anticipation of having that response again in 2020. It really depends on who the Democrats wins up running. I voted for Bernie initially in 2016, but I don’t think he stands a chance this time around. The DNC locked him out the first time due to their love affair with HRC, and I suspect many within their organization blame him at least partially for her loss. I suspect they won’t treat him any better this tim…
/r/MensRights03/01/19 01:22 PM
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‘false rape accusations’ are not serious or real things. Your position is seriously compromised by this delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 09:30 AM
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Opinions about men from a practically self-professed misandrist are of no importance or credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:45 AM
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Compare that to what women fear when it comes to dating and sex. Usually they will fear the man raping them, and by this I mean: • ‘accidentally’ putting it in the wrong hole • taking the condom off without her knowing • finishing inside her without her consent These things are ACTUAL lived experiences of many women, and it’s not uncommon at all. Women aren’t actually that afraid of those things, since they don’t take many precautions against them. And why is it feminists always use the term “li…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 06:03 AM
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Probably true in your case, but not in mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 03:56 AM
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Different problem.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 03:55 AM
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It does target men, but all DV laws do. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing for men though, as non-physical bullying is a common way women abuse men, so it’s actually a good thing for male victims that these sorts of tactics are going to be punishable by law.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 12:57 AM
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Not really sure the article supports your point. What the study found was that there are average differences between the brains of men and women, it’s just that they aren’t so consistent that we can firmly say “men’s hippocampus is this size, and women’s that,” etc. To my knowledge, TRP doesn’t claim that men’s and women’s brains are consistently biologically different in this way, it just claims that men and women tend to think differently, to which this study actually lends support.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 12:26 AM
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I agree. This is why the MRM is a better response to feminism than TRP, because it criticizes feminism, not women. TRP thinks it’s “just objective reality,” but it’s not—it makes generalized statements about women, just like feminism does about men, and fails to appreciate the complexity of human relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 11:32 PM
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Just listened to the recording. So, basically, the guy goes on for a while, asks several questions about the definition of a microaggression and who counts as a “marginalized group,” and accuses the presenter of only supporting her arguments with anecdotal evidence. It could be argued that the guy was a little disrespectful in that he was challenging the speaker in a somewhat hostile way, but he never raised his voice, never got insulting, he just criticized her presentation. A year-long suspens…
/r/MensRights02/01/19 09:54 PM
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Okay, I don’t know where you’re getting that information, but it also doesn’t really matter. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 01:14 PM
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What these (admittedly valid) observations about women pursuing higher social status men gloss over is that not all women define “high status” the same way. Or, if you prefer, not all women pursue high status men to the same degree. There are women out there who will overlook your lapsed education, provided you have other qualities they value. For example, being a good, empathic listener is a very desirable trait to a lot of women. Some women like men who are tall and strong, and make them “feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 07:45 AM
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Do you have a Ph.D. in not making any sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 04:19 AM
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Seriously, why not report them?
/r/MensRights02/01/19 04:15 AM
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Because they’re not in love with the sociopath, they’re in love with the imaginary person they’ve concocted to replace them: a misunderstood, broken person that they might be able to fix. Some women just really love the idea that they can fix men. A similar thing happens with men who fall for borderline women, although admittedly, they don’t tend to be in prison and usually the guy isn’t aware of any truly despicable things they’ve done in their past. But it’s the same psychological mechanic: wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 04:09 AM
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No. There’s no scientific evidence for it. It’s just some bullshit TRPers made up to make sense of a world that is confusing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 03:31 AM
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making you not a true man. LOL, that’s a ridiculous opinion. There’s no such thing as a “true man,” just men. Honestly, you seem like a caricature of a gender traditionalist. Do you also think women shouldn’t work and just focus on domestic chores and raising children, otherwise they’re not “true women?” Sorry, buddy, but that’s bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 09:34 PM
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Mm. Well, no one has laid into me for it yet, so I’m not so sure this pecking order you’re posting actually exists. I haven’t seen many people engaging in competitions over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 09:29 PM
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Then you need to read some history and try to develop a less cynical view of human beings, or at least men. You worldview is just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 09:27 PM
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I was taught what you just described in school, but as I’m Googling studies now, it looks like the data and conclusions are all over the place. Here’s one study that found evidence against the hypothesis you stated: https://scholarlyrepository.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1144&context=oa_dissertations Some sources say women are more likely to forgive all forms of infidelity, while others say men are, while still others suggest both genders are more likely to forgive emotional infidelity…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 08:11 PM
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Women who got men should be subject to the same level of punishment. Punishment for assault should not depend on gender, that’s sexist. Outside of a legal context, women who hit men are begging for an ass-kicking, and I see nothing wrong with them being struck back if they’re so stupid as to start a fight with someone who could completely overpower them. Ass-kickoff can go too far, but I don’t really see anything wrong with a guy clocking out a girl who tries to clock him. He can punch harder an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 07:12 PM
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Mostly, the purges just seem like a time when users here troll each other. It’s really kind of dumb, and just encourages the assholes here to be even more assholic than usual. What’s the purpose? To let people vent their frustration with each other? How is that supposed to reduce tensions and hostilities here? I’d be willing to wager they just increase them over time. Also, it’s not always entirely clear when people are being serious or not; some of the views expressed during Purge periods seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 06:38 PM
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You don’t understand how prejudice works. No, mothers wouldn’t consider their sons disposable, but women are just as likely to consider men disposable as other men. These beliefs are sociocultural, not gender-based. And you seem to have a “war of the sexes” view of male power. Here’s a question for you: why on earth did our all-male governments bother liberating women in the first place? The fact that they did undermines your notion that men are self-interested and sexist as a gender. So men neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 06:29 PM
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But how we run our societies is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 06:16 PM
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I agree. Never understood the appeal of sticking my dick in someone’s shit canal. Well...no, it’s not that I don’t understand the appeal, it’s just...well, it’s a shit canal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 10:22 AM
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If he’s not yet, I’m sure you’ll turn him into one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 10:18 AM
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Get back under your rug, Mister Misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 10:17 AM
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I’m pretty buzzed right now So was the guy who used the urinal before you. Situation explained. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 10:13 AM
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No, no, go slower, play with the tip a bit more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:53 AM
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Pretty sure Atlas has an almanac of PPD users’ genitalia if you want to feel like you belong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:52 AM
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How would realizing I was wrong about a bunch of losers on the internet change my life in any significant way? And, LOL, my internal skeptic challenges my own beliefs more times a day than most people’s do in a week. And that’s not just my perception, multiple personality tests have confirmed it too. So, no, self-reflection isn’t an area in which I’m lacking. But I would never want you to stop being you. Maybe around me, perhaps, but not permanently. Otherwise, people wouldn’t learn to avoid you…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:44 AM
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Stop telling me about your erection.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:23 AM
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No, you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:22 AM
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That that’s what constitutes friendship to you explains a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:21 AM
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I think when you realize the “invite list” is synonymous with an STD tracking system, you’ll feel better about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:07 AM
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I said no one, not no girl. However sad you are, trust me, the reality is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:05 AM
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LOL, I’ve watched you guys fight for about a year now. There’s sometimes a loving nature to it, I’ll give you that, but one of the things I realized in the last Purge is that you guys like each other far more than you let on the rest of the time, and you treat each other like trash very frequently. In all honesty, I kind of think it’s sort of sweet, but it’s also fucking sad and hilarious too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:01 AM
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I’m pretty sure Atlas is. It’s gay for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:47 AM
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Oh, I’m sure some of you have turned the fantasy into reality, just not you, because no one would fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:46 AM
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In my experience, friends don’t sling insults at each other online on a constant basis and bicker about irresolvable ideological differences. Seems a pretty loose definition to describe each other as friends. Hate fuckers seems much more appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:46 AM
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I suspect all of you look like monsters from The Thing. ...At least, that’s what I picture when I’m jerkin’ it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:22 AM
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Step one is selecting worthwhile women. In my experience, most RPers fail because they chase trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:20 AM
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Sorry, honey, but men aren’t showered with adulation and praise if they’re physically attractive, so we frequently don’t realize how women see us. Ergo, being a 9 =/= being confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 02:56 AM
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Here’s a fuckin’ idea: teach women like the one in the OP to have decent taste in men, get some therapy and resolve her personal issues that are manifesting as shitty choice in male partners. Sorry, honey, but if 9/10 guys you date are crappy to you, you’re the problem you should be worrying about.
/r/MensRights01/01/19 02:54 AM
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I haven’t had sex in 15 years and I’m totally content with it. Where do I fit into this hypothetical pecking order?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 02:51 AM
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Suck my dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 02:12 AM
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I wish more of you had one outside of the Purge.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 02:03 AM
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Also, no one cares about your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 02:02 AM
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LOL, Do you have similar pipe dreams about slavery coming back?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:58 PM
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I have higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:57 PM
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Then you don’t get how any of this shit works. Women’s rights are here to stay; angling for a huge bias in favor of men is a pipe dream. Atlas is a dinosaur. Jesus, do you people start out this polarized or does your participation here cause it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:20 PM
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LOL, Atlas doesn’t improve the environment. Opinionated, disrespectful, sexist piece of trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:13 PM
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I’m not sure, but would that make u/whichbladeN a sex negative feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:09 PM
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Meh. Atlas probably deserved it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:07 PM
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I’d much rather live in a world wherein spouting misandrist nonsense has a social price to it, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:04 PM
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You’re pointing out that feminists and MRAs share some goals, but you’re either ignorant of or just ignoring the host of incompatibilities. Let’s start with “toxic masculinity,” which is the lens by which feminists try to help men. What you’ll notice, I think, is that whenever feminists talk about toxic masculinity, they’re usually talking about male violence against women. That’s they’re main concern, as always. Toxic masculinity is just their newest way of blaming societal problems on men. It …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:38 PM
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Lots of people use Tumblr as their primary source for porn Really? Huh, TIL. But it doesn’t matter; there are lots of alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:22 PM
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Your political bias here is palpable. I think you’re just a hardcore conservative and wish you didn’t have to run into so many liberals on this sub. Well, tough. Men’s rights are more important than political partisanship. Frankly, the more leftwing folks we can draw in, away from the monolithic influence of feminism, the better. And it’s not “virtue signaling” to express a healthy degree of skepticism about the bias of a right-wing publication reporting on a contentious issue. I don’t consider …
/r/MensRights31/12/18 09:20 PM
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Not sure I see how that’s blocking people’s access to porn. Keeping porn off Tumblr is very different than preventing people from going to porn sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:10 PM
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I can appreciate this sort of cynicism.
/r/MensRights31/12/18 08:56 PM
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Yay, we’re 2/3rds of the way to getting quarantined! /s
/r/MensRights31/12/18 07:20 PM
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<shrug> I you’re gonna troll, don’t spoil the fun by admitting to it, ya dummy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:12 PM
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It’s Purge Day IIRC, and that doesn’t mean any hostile views you post and genuinely have don’t make you a twat. It’s just that being a twat is allowed even more than it normally is here for a brief period.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:03 PM
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It’s not puritian. It absolutely is. You’re seeking to control the sex lives (or at least porn consumption) of others, based on your own beliefs about what it does to people. And before you cite me some study that shows a correlation between porn viewership and relationship quality, please know that I don’t care. Would you support a ban or limit on sugary sodas, since they’re proven to cause diabetes? The most I would agree to is that whatever research is relevant be taught in sex ed. classes in…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:01 PM
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Radfems are what create a lot of TRPers, so I guess you’re just part of the cycle of sexism and hate at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 06:48 PM
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You’re making a bunch of assumptions about people’s sexual interests and completely ignoring the fact that plenty of people do things during sex that aren’t immediately pleasurable to them, but the knowledge that their partner is getting off becomes sexually arousing for them as well. And I don’t want ISPs having more control of anything. The notion that they should be limiting porn access is ridiculously Puritan.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 06:46 PM
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IMO, there should be some formal education about cluster B traits, considering how pervasive and harmful they are. Women are taught to be wary of abusive behavior in men, but men don’t receive similar training, and spotting cluster B women early would go a long way towards reducing the number of male victims of DV/IPV.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:38 PM
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Even if there are different impacts (and I don’t know that I’d agree with you on that) why not still call it what it is: objectification? This argument is always used to deny men the use of a word with a lot of societal outrage attached to it, seemingly because the people who use them don’t feel particularly outraged about what happens to men and don’t want others dividing their compassion (which is very much a finite resource) between groups they support and those they don’t. It’s a subtle atte…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 03:12 PM
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For some, probably. But the wall actually describes a real phenomenon too, and some female dating behavior is pretty obviously linked to it. Also, women acknowledge a lot of this stuff, so...it’s clearly not just something insecure TRPers use to prop up their egos. Besides, BPers tell themselves TRPers are all these lame, incel, virgin losers as a way of explaining away any semblance of legitimacy that might compel them to actually learn anything from their enemy. So, this childish shit is going…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 03:19 PM
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What gap? Have you ever heard a narrative about women’s rights that doesn’t reference men’s? They’re very relevant to each other.
/r/MensRights28/12/18 09:38 PM
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This is toxic femininity, not holding women accountable.
/r/MensRights28/12/18 09:27 PM
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Your logic is flawed. How so? I have a feeling you just think I tried to claim something I didn’t or are putting words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:23 PM
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That it happens sometimes does not make it “the truth.” It’s just as common for women to waste men’s time, trying to milk him for short-term gifts, etc. People sometimes use each other. It’s shitty. Don’t bother with those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:19 PM
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The more I learn about TRP and the people who subscribe to it, the more I see it as a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" style of coping strategy for men who have self-esteem problems related to relationship and sexual success. In the best instances, TRP encourages these men to take responsibility for their problems and make changes to themselves and their way of life that promote healthy self-esteem and self-actualization. But often it just leaves them getting better at winning a game they reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:14 PM
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So the frame of the lecture in a real way is to place the Women’s Rights movement, whether its the 1800’s and the march for suffrage, or the 1920’s and the founding of the American Birth Control League (precursor to planned parenthood), or 1960/1970 and the onset of the sexual revolution, title IX, many anti-discrimination laws being passed, and the 2000’s with the rise of #metoo and #timesup as well as the womens’ march, as some how a reaction to Coverture. That somehow, even though women have …
/r/MensRights28/12/18 01:07 AM
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It’s a bad thing. Making something into a product, that used to be apart of personal relationships can’t be a great thing. Why not? Seems pretty exclusatory. It’s unchecked Capitalism in action. Huh? I’m plenty critical of capitalism, but I stick to economic arguments. How is this in any way a result of “unchecked capitalism” as opposed to “under-checked human rights?” Seems more like a rights issue than an economic one to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 08:21 AM
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I give what I get.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:52 PM
1

pretty well undermines your “argument” that corporations have “too much economic and social power.” No, it doesn’t, because you don’t know what words mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:31 PM
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If you had an argument, you'd have made it by now. You've got nothing, so you're just spewing shit. My level? LOL. Say what you like, your head's probably as empty and vacuous as your comments have been here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 09:56 PM
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No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 08:50 PM
1

More bullshit from you instead of argumentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 08:37 PM
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You didn’t disprove shit, you just threw shade and acted like it was a legitimate argument. Stop wasting my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 07:56 PM
1

What a crappy comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 06:42 PM
1

All true, but I have little sympathy for anyone—male or female—who bitches about contraceptive options for their gender. Men certainly deserve a pill, but too many MRAs (not the majority from what I’ve seen, but still) think this has to do with feminist interference. In reality, the potential market for a workable pill for men is huge, which means there’s been tons of incentives for researchers to come up with one. The problems lie in the fact that controlling male sperm production is a lot hard…
/r/MensRights26/12/18 08:18 AM
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The woman who is only attracted to my wealth will never be preferred. Ever. And I wouldn’t settle for a 4/10. 6/10 bare minimum. Being single fucking rocks. Sexual partners are more trouble than they’re worth most of the time IMO. Keep your standards high, your expectations low, and the lube at the ready. Focus on developing good friendships and you’ll have all you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 02:54 AM
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Baseless accusation, as you don’t actually know what my intellectual ability is. It’s just as likely you’re the one exhibiting the DK effect, and you simply think the reverse, because you don’t realize it’s happening to you. This is why ad hominem is a shitty argument tactic. But...look at who I’m talking to....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 07:31 PM
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No, just the general principle of the thing. If anything, I think both female and male standards have gotten too lax, but that the legal and socioeconomic realities today make men the ones at greater risk of harm from these standards, rather than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 07:28 PM
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otherwise they cant be regulated by the government Again, objectively wrong. That case was about corporations challenging federal tax laws as it applied to them. The result was less regulation of corporations, not more. Why would you bother citing a case that won landmark freedoms for corporations as an example of how they’re more regulated today than they were before CP? CP was all about lightening government regulation of corporations and bringing them more in line with the rights of individua…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 07:25 PM
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Because it’s a rhetorical trap. Corporations do not need to be equally regulated in all areas, and there should be things they’re allowed to do and not. It’s arguable that they’re over-regulates in certain areas, but under-regulates in others, and I never denied that. When I said they were under-regulated, I meant that they are in several very important areas that have made them a scourge on society in many ways. If you can’t wrap your head around this quality vs quantity thing, please just say …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 07:04 PM
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Do you have a point to make with this? I’m not going to read the entire article and go to the effort of trying to work out what your reason for citing it is. Make an argument and support it with citations. This is argumentation 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 07:01 PM
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Me: how much regulation is enough You: BY WHAT METRIC IS ENOUGH DETERMINED Yeah, totally different questions, LOL. Sorry you don’t understand the difference between quantity and quality. did you literally have no idea what youre talking about No, not me, you!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 06:56 PM
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you didnt tell answer my q regarding by what metric “enough” is determined so theres nothing to rebut. That’s a demand that doesn’t fit the question, which is why I gave you specific examples, rather than entering that trap of “how much regulation is enough,” because that fundamentally misunderstands the problem as one of quantity rather than quality. Play fewer rhetorical games, get straighter answers. i am not wrong, corporations ARE corporate personhood, corporate personhood was not created b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 06:38 PM
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I didn’t have anything specific in mind. OP was arguing that women being more selective was good for the species. Greater selectivity requires new standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 06:33 PM
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No, you’re dead wrong. Corporations existed prior to corporate personhood, and they were in fact much more regulated by the government, because the government took a much more central role in determining which corporations could and couldn’t exist. There were legitimate problems, like the government creating monopolies for its own interests, so it’s not that corporate personhood wasn’t (in part) designed to solve some real problems, but it’s created a bunch more that were unforeseen at the time.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 06:09 PM
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When Apple is able to pay zero taxes on billions of dollars worth of profit, I’d say there’s a problem with corporate tax regulations. Gene patenting Is a major thing in the biotech industries, and it has clear ethical and economic consequences that are not being addressed. There’s a good documentary out there called The Corporation that goes into the history of how corporations developed and the problems they pose society today. It’s a bit dated at this point, but still very relevant. The main …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 05:40 PM
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Will the taxpayers buy me a sports car? That’s my choice. If owning a car was necessary for virtually all of us to function in society, and the net cost to the taxpayer in providing cars to those who couldn’t afford them was less than the savings to taxpayers in terms of public transit infrastructure, environmental costs, etc, then yes, I would entertain an argument that taxpayers should foot the bill. But that’s not about sports cars. Children are a choice. Dont have them If you can’t support t…
/r/MensRights25/12/18 05:16 PM
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No, they’re not, and yes, I do. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Oh, wow, you know, I had never realized how effective simply denying the validity of your opponent’s perspectives without giving any supporting arguments was in debate! Damn. No, I’m right and you’re wrong! There. It’s settled. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 05:04 PM
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No, they started out that way, but have since become largely under-regulated behemoths with far too much economic and social power.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 04:56 PM
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If companies have to pay for it, they’ll adjust by hiring fewer people who are likely to have kids in the near future or outsource their workforce overseas to countries where they don’t have to pay for parental leave. The time required to raise children and the conflicts that poses to work schedules are a societal problem, not just the problem of a few companies or groups of people. Why shouldn’t we as taxpayers pay for a service that benefits nearly all of us? And for people who are not having …
/r/MensRights25/12/18 04:51 PM
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As usual, these feminist governments are highly selective about which issues they choose to tackle, and which they don’t. I don’t know if they have the same problem as we do in the U.S. with the gender sentencing gap, but I’m willing to bet they do and that they’re not doing squat about it.
/r/MensRights25/12/18 04:39 PM
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I don’t have a problem with parental leave, so long as it’s provided equally to mothers and fathers.
/r/MensRights25/12/18 04:38 PM
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It’s not about me it’s about the species. Of course it sucks but if it’s for the good of the species that means I’d have to accept it as good. Hrm. How “altruistic.” Hitler would have loved you. No men shouldn’t be more selective because of the asymmetry between women and men. One woman can give many children to one man but the same isn’t for men. So what? It’s not like we’re in the midst of an underpopulation problem, quite the opposite in fact. That argument only makes sense if you want to max…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 03:48 PM
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Good point, over-selection can be just as bad as under-selection in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 03:06 PM
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Would you think it was a good thing if you were one of the people who would NOT be selected under the new female standards? If you’re concerned about the evolution of the species, are you not also concerned that there aren’t enough selective pressures on women, since it’s so easy for them to find someone to reproduce with? Do you think men should be more selective? Likelihood of reproduction has gone up for everyone in developed countries due to technological advancements. Would you undo some of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 02:54 PM
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But many women feel that a male birth-control gel is the epitome of male privilege. The Pill causes side effects like increased risk for depression, weight gain, and suppressed libido, yet women rely on it in order to live their sexual lives freely. So, male privilege—a sociological phenomenon of preferred treatment for men, based on historical gender roles—is epitomized by a medical intervention stemming from biological sex differences? Yes, because “male privilege” doesn’t really mean what you…
/r/MensRights25/12/18 09:07 AM
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One of my ex’s had this tendency—after we broke up and she’d started dating others—to reassure me whenever she mentioned sex with them that I was the best in bed she’d ever had. Considering how inexperienced I was when I was dating her, I have a hard time believing this, but more to the point, I don’t care. I told her this a couple times when she did it, but she kept doing it. Not frequently, but about 4-5 times over the course of several years. Once per new boyfriend, I think. Do women think mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 08:54 AM
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Stoicism is the state—assuming we’re not talking about the philosophy—of not having/showing strong emotions. Why is that necessarily always a good thing? You can’t raise a child while being completely stoic. The child learns how to manage their own emotions by interacting with other people and their emotional responses. You’d be providing little/no data from which I learn, and it would royally fuck the kid up in most cases. Only solution is having a second parent who isn’t stoic. Most people in …
/r/MensRights25/12/18 08:35 AM
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Some 5,000 circumcisions are performed in Italy each year but more than a third are carried out illegally, according to health charity Amsi. They should have all been carried out illegally, because circumcision should be fucking illegal, you twats!
/r/MensRights24/12/18 07:45 PM
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The link to men's rights for this is dubious at best in my opinion. This is more of a pop psychology issue. Definitely. Bad behavior from a minority of women are no more reflective of a gender issue than bad behavior from a minority of men. If we want to complain (rightly) that feminists make gendered issues out of rape and DV when they shouldn't, we can't very well go and make gendered issues out of other things in an equally preposterous manner.
/r/MensRights24/12/18 06:58 PM
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Some women seem to be attracted to men who they know will beat or kill them. A small minority of women, yes, all of which have mental health problems, and when you look at men with the same mental health problems, they too display an attraction towards female abusers. This is a mental health issue, not a men's issue.
/r/MensRights24/12/18 06:56 PM
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It's really not that hard to just create these things yourself, dude. Here's one I made just now, in response to your post: https://imgur.com/a/A1J1Ka5 And here's another I found online: https://quotefancy.com/quote/1183007/Warren-Farrell-Let-s-face-it-men-do-a-lot-of-things-in-the-workplace-that-women-just-don
/r/MensRights24/12/18 06:42 PM
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Right. So, she should be fired from her job too. Right? That's how this works?
/r/MensRights24/12/18 06:24 PM
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I have a feeling this is just going to make more people realize how much of a cunt this woman is.
/r/MensRights24/12/18 04:49 PM
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Nah, these scores are fairly easy to understand and--with a minimal amount of extra effort--could be used to talk about personality differences. Furthermore, you don't seem to understand what the criticism of the MBTI means for it's casual use. The MBTI has questionable validity and reliability, meaning researchers aren't sure it's criteria (a) reflect what they claim to reflect, and (b) people don't consistently score as the same type across examinations. This means that, when you take the MBTI…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:46 PM
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Complain all you want about the fact that you have to put in to get girls Who is complaining about that? Honestly, you seem to have this notion that most RPers are just lazy, entitled brats, and yet that seems to be the exact same argument they make about women. I'm not seeing you demonstrate any better standard here; you're just laying all the blame on one side, and denying women have any responsibility for this issue. "If men are rejected by women, it's their fault." LOL. Don't pretend you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:39 PM
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Why couldn’t you have just used the title from the article? There’s no need for hyperbolic editorializing. The news content speaks for itself.
/r/MensRights24/12/18 01:46 PM
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Well guess what. If a woman doesn’t want you, then the problem is on you, not her or her female nature. Really? So there are no women out there with bad taste? LOL. What a ridiculously one-sided argument. Is this part of how you win women over, by signaling your “virtue” of never blaming women for anything? Dating issues are complicated and almost never have viable solutions that favor only one side. I’m glad self-improvement/discipline worked for you, but that’s likely because you really were a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 01:37 PM
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This is a terrible idea, and because of that, I absolutely hope feminists take it this far.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 01:20 PM
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Actually, there’s a lot of evidence that stress hastens several aging processes, including hair greying and loss.
/r/MensRights24/12/18 01:12 PM
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Until there is another system that is better backed scientifically, and gives people similarly handy shorthand to describe their personality, it’s the best measure we have. It’s useful to our purposes here. There sort of already is, actually. The “Big Five” personality model (and inventories associated with it) give people scores across five central personality traits that have been shown via factor analysis to be highly predictive and consistent. Five 2-digit numbers is pretty simple to remembe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 07:15 PM
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Definitely not if the disorder isn’t in check most of the time. I work as a therapist, which makes me particularly well-suited for dealing with people like this, but doing so most of the day most days leaves me needing a break from it in the rest of my life. If it was in check most of the time...maybe. Some mental illnesses have genetic components and are inheritable. Depending on the severity of the illness and the history of it in my SO’s family, I might take a pass. As cruel as it might sound…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 06:58 PM
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So long as he manages to have a job, he’ll always be able to find women who will date him. It will surely reduce the number of women he has access to, but not so severely that he won’t have plenty of options. Besides, it’s not difficult to return to school to learn a trade and become an electrician or something. Failed actors don’t need to remain stuck as baristas.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 08:28 AM
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Misandrist garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 08:21 AM
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All in all I concluded that it is not worth my time to write five thousand more words to unravel all of it. And yet you just did. Here he completely forgot that we are talking about gender norms. Nope, I was talking about them the entire time. Having a high n-count isn’t toxic masculinity, but the expectation that men should have a high n-count is toxic masculinity. Despite your unwillingness to comprehend it, I understand the distinction you’re making and have told you so several times in the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 07:43 AM
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Write to your local paper about the issue and see you can get a reporter to investigate and publish a story about what happened. Also, see if you can file a Title IX complaint against your school. Contacting the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) might be a good idea as well, since they can likely help out with information and possibly some form of activism.
/r/MensRights21/12/18 05:44 AM
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LOL, no he doesn’t.
/r/MensRights21/12/18 04:40 AM
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Fuck off, dipshit.
/r/MensRights21/12/18 04:38 AM
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Take it back to TRP; this is not the place for this stuff.
/r/MensRights21/12/18 04:27 AM
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Not a very good analogy. Opposition to marriage is a philosophical position, not a biological difference that makes a sexual/romantic relationship impossible. What is it about marriage that is so necessary? I can understand if it’s the legal benefits, but most of those can be obtained via civil unions. If the guy was okay with that, would you be okay staying with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:02 AM
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Thinking that love is a single emotion. It’s not. It’s actually more like a phenomenon involving a number of different emotions felt during different contexts, all relating to the same person. Oh, and—as with all emotions—it involves a number of cognitive effects as well (e.g. associations, biases, etc). If you’re interested in the psychology and neurology of love, check out Helen Fisher. She gave a number of TED talks on her work if you’re looking for easy consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:51 AM
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What excuses/justifications do you think male cheaters give?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:34 AM
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Best thing Americans ever did for sushi was adding cream cheese IMO. Like a good rug, it ties the whole thing together.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 02:21 AM
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I’m neither, and certainly not a hybrid. I sincerely doubt I’d fit in with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 12:11 AM
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Me too, but sushi is highly organized and thus not an appropriate metaphor. You might be onto something with this burrito thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 12:09 AM
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Meaningless criticism from someone with poor reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 08:35 PM
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Just another example of a bitter woman making a misandrist statement about men as a gender, and society letting her get away with it, because it's nowhere near as "woke" as it likes to imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:50 PM
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Yeah, just to piss you off too. EDIT: /s, for the impaired.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:31 PM
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Hehe, wow, they do have it in the sidebar. Okay, fair enough, that's pretty damning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:16 PM
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Me deducing it is not the same as them saying it. They might not believe it, even though they believe things that make it a logical conclusion, yet still deny believing it. The human mind is amazingly prone to such illogical thought gyros.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:07 PM
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MGTOW =/= TRP. Strangely enough, I find MGTOW to be even more misogynistic than TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:05 PM
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but this looks a lot like something you would find on the Manosphere LOL, okay, first of all, most people in the manosphere are nowhere near this articulate, and secondly, fucking no. It is in no way similar. Where have you read something on a RP blog that says women are trapped in the present and incapable of thinking about the past and future? Please cite a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:14 PM
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So, for those of you who don’t know, or just happen to be way too cool for online swipe dating in the modern age... It’s not about being “too cool” or anything so lame, it’s about being too smart for them. Online dating is basically roulette. You’re rolling the dice, based on a leaflet that captures only what a Facebook page does, and hoping the person you meet is (a) somehow worthwhile, even though the fact that they’re resorting to an online dating site suggests otherwise, and (b) is appealing…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 01:45 PM
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You haven’t even laid out how my argument isn’t sound. If you expect me to argue against your straw-men pithwork, at least make it interesting. So far, you’ve just been a misandrist waste of time, with ad hominems and accusations that I haven’t made an argument when I have. Lame. As I said before, if you have something substantive to say, say it; if not, stay silent. If I don’t find your next comment worthwhile, I just won’t respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:12 AM
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LOL, higher standards? Least I gave an argument. You just slung insults without rebutting. Your standards leave much to be desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:12 AM
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Neither is making disparaging remarks without actual critique. If you’ve got something substantive to say, say it; otherwise, I don’t care for your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 01:14 AM
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LOL, ad hominems are the mark of a person with no argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:22 AM
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I agree—citing sources and providing concrete examples is something MRAs excel at compared to feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 11:42 PM
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Already answered this question with links. See rest of the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 09:23 PM
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The point of my comments here wasn't to invalidate all of feminism, merely to argue that feminists have about as many objectionable ideas about men as RPers do, and they have a history of proposing abominable legal changes to enforce their misandrist views, while RPers generally haven't done this. Please try your Cathy Newman routine on someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:07 PM
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Benevolent sexism has become the cause du jour of feminism.
/r/MensRights18/12/18 02:49 PM
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The most famous proponent of it was a university professor. And even if they don't literally mean it, it's a common joke among feminists. I was merely referring to radfems, who are more likely to literally hold the view than libfems are. EDIT: If you like, there are some almost-as-ridiculous ideas being bandied about by feminists who are being given major platforms to spout their misandry these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:21 PM
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RPers do have objectionable ideas about men, but so do feminists and radfems, and RPers aren’t trying to get legislation passed to limit men’s rights nor do they think the male population should be culled to 10%. Objectionable ideas are one thing; trying to enforce your ideas on others via force of the law is quite another.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:26 PM
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I just laughed at her for the comment, which seemed to work pretty well. She threw a few more lame insults and went to another group in a huff. Best way to respond to verbal hostility is to not let it get to you and show them you’re unperturbed in my experience. Works particularly well on women, since most of the time they’re not going to escalate it to a physical level.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:23 AM
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LOL, fair enough, I should have clarified that I don't count people here, because the TRPers I encounter here seem to literally have neurological difficulties with socialization. I don't know what about this place attracts that, but it seems to for some reason. Outside of TRP, hyper-religious people, and foreigners, I don't really see any men demanding women not work. Foreigners just aren't used to Western ideals, hyper-religious people think God will punish them if they don't fight women on thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:41 PM
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I think all these terms are dumb AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:17 PM
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Can you give me an example? The only people I know who still think this and who grew up in the West are hyper-religious whackjobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:15 PM
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Haven't you heard? Jail isn't for women, you misogynist.
/r/MensRights17/12/18 08:14 PM
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No, it definitely wasn’t flirtation. She was already mad at me about something else and was just using that as a way of attacking me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 05:45 PM
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The guys that adhere to these toxic masculine gender norms are seen as insecure, homophobic, sexist or overcompensating, but not as attractive alphas. I don't know what to tell you here; you're just wrong. Maybe in your little corner of the world, no one thinks this way, but the entire reason "toxic masculinity" is even a thing, is because there are norms to male behavior, they do reflect relatively primitive "alpha" dominance struggles, and women totally do select for them--that's why they cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 02:54 PM
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The only "philosophy" here is TRP and that's really stretching the meaning of the term. Now, there's an almost equally ridiculous ideology here, called feminism, but it's not analogous to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 02:35 PM
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Indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:12 AM
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I hear ya, but maybe I have a higher tolerance for this sort of thing than you? There are a lot of people here who are pissed off, and they sometimes post relatively trivial things that are nonetheless symptomatic of larger trends. I would encourage you to consider that when you see a post you think is “petty.” I guess it probably would help if you could cite some examples. I wouldn’t mind commenting on them, which might give you a sense o solidarity if I agree with you or help you see it anothe…
/r/MensRights14/12/18 10:47 PM
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In most cases, you can’t. Doesn’t matter how clearly you state it; most people will simply think you hate women subconsciously.
/r/MensRights14/12/18 10:41 PM
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In the past, I’ve been attracted to girls who find me funny. I still am, but now I look for women who c an make me laugh. I haven’t found very many, sadly. Other personality traits...has to be able to hold my interest in an intellectual conversation and be able to challenge my views in ways I at least find cogent and novel. We have to share a decent number of interests, obviously, but not all. She also has have a decent capacity to empathize with others; I wouldn’t have the patience to date some…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 10:37 PM
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I know some do. I have several female friends who have told me they wear their “sexy underpants” on days they want to feel sexy, even if they know no one else will see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 09:34 PM
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So universities are appointing biased investigators and keeping them in their jobs even after these cases happen and courts slam the colleges for denying the accused due process. Clearly, the punishments for these colleges are not severe enough. They shouldn’t be required to re-admit the student or re-try them under their biased systems. They should simply have to clear the student’s college record so he can attend another school, and pay an enormous amount of money to him for the impact on his …
/r/MensRights13/12/18 10:39 PM
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I don't know about all that, but you are responsible for learning proper grammar. Away!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 09:37 PM
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Women fake some of their own orgasms, and you want us to trust you about what turns you on? LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 09:12 PM
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The logical concept? Who is applying like philosophical debate rules to this? I mean even if you are talking about it as some concept outside of the courtroom, have you ever seen anyone berated for "proof" if they like claim they were mugged or punched, etc? No, but I've never seen someone who claimed they were raped get berated as such either, outside a courtroom. Point is, you know what is meant by "the burden of proof is on the accuser," and your technical point wasn't relevant to the overall…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 08:59 PM
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Well, your “stats” are really just a map that doesn’t tell us much more than what the top search term was by country. I’d be more interested to see the top five search terms for a single country, but whatever. 1.) Teen porn isn’t as popular as some might think, because men aren’t as neophillic (sp?) as some people suggest. Also, “teen” porn videos don’t tend to have said teens performing some of the raunchier stuff, and tend to be about how “they’re so young” and that’s it. Boring. 2.) People li…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 12:29 PM
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Doesn’t mean it’s not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 05:03 PM
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The fact that so many MRAs went MAGA is why I did the MRA-exit over to Egalitarianism. All these movements inevetably get infested with extremists, honestly IMHO. Part of the MRM's problem is that it attracts so many people who are more antifeminist than they are pro-MR, as well as conservatives who hold conservative positions that have nothing to do with MR, and make the MRM look like it's just an anti-woman resistance, rather than the progressive movement that it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 04:41 PM
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The state, as with every other crime. Okay, so the legal representatives of the accused? Jesus, what a technicality. You knew what was meant by “the burden of proof is on the accuser,” what is the point you’re trying to make by bringing up this distinction? It’s well known that at least in the last LE was insult hostile and skeptical of people who reported sex crimes. I know it’s been shown in the past by some studies, but do you have something recent? Say, within the past 10 years? And there’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:48 PM
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No it isn’t Huh? The burden of proof is not on the accuser? Then who’s it on? Surely, you’re not saying it’s on the accused? Who then? nobody immediately assumes alleged mugging or robbery or general assault victims are lying. They don’t immediately assume they’re telling the truth either, not like people assume rape accusers are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:25 PM
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The entire Democratic Party assumed Kavanaugh’s guilt as a matter of internal party policy. The phenomenon is not as limited as you say. Even if you’re right that a majority of people don’t leap to conclusions (and I’m not sure you are), clearly people in power are in droves, so isn’t that a big enough problem? Also, you can find assumptions of innocence or guilt across much of academic opinion and mainstream media. So it’s not just politics, educators and journalists are also making these assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:21 PM
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Pretty sure they want segregation because they know they could make it work in their favor at this point.
/r/MensRights12/12/18 12:59 PM
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In this case it benefits women and therefore they take the more traditionalist position. Not quite. Feminists do believe that women aren’t necessarily better parents than fathers, and that to assume so is sexist, it’s just that in oractive they don’t actually do anything about instances of this form is sexism when it harms men, rather than women. So, for mothers who feel overworked as a parent and want their husbands to help out more with the child rearing, feminists cite this sexist belief and …
/r/MensRights11/12/18 11:44 PM
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Good point. If that’s the case, dude’s got literally zero reason to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 04:51 AM
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Why is this even a question? There is no justification for cheating; the guy has perfectly good grounds for divorcing her, and the child support he might wind up owing I’m sure he’d gladly pay and more if he loves his children. (Obviously, there should be 50/50 joint custody, unless she’s the primary caregiver and the children are very young, but the arrangement should be 50/50 for each child after the age of 5 or so.) If the argument is that divorce always harms children, and thus the guy shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 11:42 PM
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The problem is that women can’t reliably have the same opportunities in the workplace as men if they’re the primary caregivers and homemakers. This is just an observable truth, not an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 09:51 PM
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Cosmo? Really? A magazine aimed at insecure women? Hey--you said it didn't happen. Cause there's a difference. I know feminists who don't subscribe to that online BS. What's the difference? Delineate this difference for me in concrete terms. And I know plenty of feminists who do subscribe to that online BS, so who cares? Anecdotes get us nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 09:46 PM
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I agree, and can certainly empathize with kids having role models that look like them to foster self-esteem relative to their peers. That's certainly important. However, I tend to prefer examples of fictional role models that don't function as token examples of ethnic minorities for the sake of diversity, because I feel that can send the message that that's all these folks are: token handouts that aren't actually appreciated at all. Black Panther is an example of this, although I'm aware plenty …
/r/MensRights10/12/18 09:43 PM
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Yeah, that’s why I mentioned the Patreon accounts and how male YTers might be more motivated to set them up. It’s all in the vein of committing to their YT channel as a form of income, and creating merch and other such promotional things is another way to do that.
/r/MensRights10/12/18 08:43 PM
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most of us are completely unbothered by your preference Cosmopolitan would like a word with you. The only women who are bothered by your preference are those insecure Buzzfeed and Jezebel internet feminists who sleep around for 'empowerment' but still crying and begging for men's approval. There's always this distinction drawn between "internet feminists" and "feminists." Why? Are internet feminists not feminists? Why draw the distinction? Seems like it's to indicate the internet feminists are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:20 PM
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I am not one of those who wants a "submissive" partner. My understanding of what TRPers mean when they say "submissive," is a woman who subscribes to the traditional female gender role in terms of letting the man take the lead with her following him. This means deferring to him in choosing where to go on a date, major decisions regarding whatever family exists between them (e.g. where to live, what schools the kids go to, etc), performing traditionally female 'duties' like cooking/cleaning/child…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:18 PM
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Diversity isn't always a good thing, nor is it necessarily fair.
/r/MensRights10/12/18 06:11 PM
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YouTubers’ earnings are based on views and subscription rates, no? So, basically, the most-viewed creators on the site happen to be men. Why might that be? Some possibilities: YouTube viewers are sexist. Okay, or... For whatever reason, male YT creators create content that is more interesting to more people. If most YT creators are male (don’t know that they are, but it wouldn’t surprise me), they simply have a numbers advantage in getting clicks. If most YT creators and viewers are male, maybe …
/r/MensRights10/12/18 02:13 PM
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The structure of power. Vox rejects Spain’s current system of devolved regional powers. Point 6 of the program clearly states as a goal: “Transforming the Estado autonómico into a state with a single set of laws that will promote equality and solidarity instead of privilege and division. One single government and one single parliament for all of Spain. As a preliminary step, [we want] the immediate devolution of powers over education, health, security and justice, and to curtail regional legisla…
/r/MensRights09/12/18 10:49 PM
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Sleeping with me on the first date is not a disqualifying choice for an LTR with me, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 10:06 PM
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Literally the same exact argument made by conservatives to account for why black people are disproportionately represented in the prison population. You’re no different than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 09:18 PM
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That poor woman.
/r/MensRights09/12/18 08:52 PM
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Okay, well, I have the reverse experience—the few white clients I have are harder-working and keener to get off disability than my non-white ones. The difference between you and I is that I know this isn’t due to race, whereas you’re perfectly happy attributing the result of a complex social system to race alone. This is why the Left is so utterly hypocritical on here issues today; they claim to be less racist than the Right, but they’re actually reinventing racism to suit their political agenda…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 08:45 PM
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This is the shittiest shitpost I’ve seen here in a while.
/r/MensRights09/12/18 08:40 PM
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No, the chronically poor populations I serve are majority Black and Hispanic, and they’ve noticed the change in their own communities. You’re alleging this breaks down along racial lines, but it doesn’t—that’s just the new cuckoo-ness of the Left. It’s absolutely the result of these social programs; most liberals just don’t want to admit it, and aren’t aware of it, because by and large, they live in sheltered, relatively well-off communities that aren’t affected by this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 08:24 PM
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Because they perceive a double-standard in how promiscuous women are denigrated as sluts, while promiscuous men are congratulated for the same behavior. And while I’m an MRA, I have to admit this double-standard does exist. I’d be pissed off about it too if I was a woman. Where it breaks down for me is when these same women lament that there are “no good men” anymore, because some men refuse to pay for their meal on dates or are up-front with them about just wanting casual sex and not a relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 08:20 PM
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I work in a Blue state. Your willful desire to keep this a partisan issue is glaring, but merely attests to your own partisanship, not anything substantive about the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 07:34 PM
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1.) Everyone should be allowed to do any job they’re qualified for, and people should do what they want without the government prescribing quotas for what the work population should look like. 2.) Yes.
/r/MensRights09/12/18 07:33 PM
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The culture of dependency I see every day when I go to work: tons of people on disability, who can work, but don’t, because they know they “can’t get fired from their check.” The poor know this culture exists—I talk about it with them on a semi-regular basis. There used to be a culture of shame around receiving welfare, but after a few generations, it became normalized, and now it’s just something you do for a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 07:22 PM
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Funny how you didn’t address my point at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 07:11 PM
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Social democracy is the road to real freedom. No, it’s not, and the culture of dependency that’s resulted from the social welfare programs instituted by the Democrats is proof of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 06:57 PM
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There’s no way I could put all the problems I have with feminism into one comment, so I’ll just say what tends to irk me most about all the feminists who come to me and tell me I’ve got the wrong idea of feminism: their utterly blind devotion to a No True Scotsmen defense of feminism. Feminism is a secular religion these days, in that it’s adherents have a vested interest in keeping the movement’s image “pure,” and they accomplish this in their own minds by denying the feminist label to any self…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 02:30 PM
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My solution to the problems you cite was (a) realizing I didn’t really like any of those types of girls, and (b) I didn’t need prove my worth to anyone by being in a relationship or having lots of sex. I haven’t gotten laid in almost 15 years now, and I’ve never been more content with my dating life (virtually non-existent). And no, my period of functional celibacy did not kick in right after I had the above two realizations. I actually lost my virginity years after I had those epiphanies. All t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 02:08 PM
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I believe this was the last comment before I called you a feminist and you stopped responding to anything by that. https://reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a2s2ip/_/eb41sd6/?context=1
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 01:30 PM
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No, as I suspected, you’re just mad I mislabeled you. Do you have a label you’d prefer I’d use? Do you have a correction to make? I’m waiting for the point where this discussion can continue, but you’re simply arguing that my mistake in labeling you a feminist means my entire argument is invalid, and I’m just waiting for the point where you address my actual argument. I’m sorry I called you a feminist. What more do you want? That doesn’t mean I “can’t see both sides,” it just means I got the wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:28 AM
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There’s definitely bullshit on both sides, but I think as far as your central point is concerned—that mena nd women both have problems these days in relatively equal proportions and that nothing is gained via an oppression olympics-style gender war, more MRAs would agree with you than feminists. See, feminists bash men as a gender. MRAs just bash feminists.
/r/MensRights07/12/18 10:49 PM
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Who said single mothers are bashed? All I ever hear them getting is praise and sympathy. Last time I recall them having a bad rep was in the 70’s and 80’s. In the 90’s the feminist narrative was already in swing, and these women were the poor victims of deadbeat dads. So, please, where are they being “bashed” in Western culture? As for single dads, they definitely get praise, because people assume most men want nothing to do with their kids or at least don’t put any effort into parenting, so sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 10:07 PM
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I’m sorry, which second question is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 09:57 PM
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We had successful patriarchal cartels. I don’t consider any of that a cartel. I understand if you don’t care to imagine what a female version would look like, I’m just wondering why it can’t exist? I have no problem contemplating nightmare scenarios, I just honestly think a cartel wouldn’t work and that men have had no such thing. Could society become matriarchal and as oppressive to men as past patriarchies have been to women? Absolutely. But that’s a different question than “what if women form…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 06:13 PM
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LOL, men didn't have a global cartel that oppressed women, it was done via governments, laws, and far more than that, religion and social mores. You want to get tons of people enforcing the same "rules" and behaving alike? You need to change their values, the culture they're a part of. The norms of society need to actually shift, you can't just mandate cultural change via legislation or force of arms.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:44 PM
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As I said in the post about unionizing men, I don't think an organized cartel with enforced rules would work among women; you'd have too many women not supporting it or (in the case of a cartel) actively opposing it along with the men who objected. It would never work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:39 PM
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Any union-like organization that makes rules will find those rules being broken by a good number of members and not particularly cared about by others. This won’t work IMO. A far better strategy would be to create a network of men’s groups across the country/world that meet to discuss men’s issues and rights, organize talks and presentations for schools, companies, and government bodies, and generally tries to raise awareness about the issues. The goal is to get more men on the same page values-…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 02:00 PM
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in the US “life” means 25 years I don’t know who told you this, but the actual sentence is “25 years to life.” This means that the sentence actually is life, it’s just that people are eligible for parole after 25 years, meaning they can be released back into society, but on lifetime parole. That being said, I’m not a lawyer, so maybe I’m wrong on some points here. But that’s always been my understanding of how life sentences work here.
/r/MensRights07/12/18 01:42 PM
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I make this argument regularly with them. Have yet to see it be countered. Most of the time, they don’t even try, just change topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 12:48 AM
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I guess so. It’s just that a greedy woman has different methods available to get wealth, such as marrying richer guys. Not as many men can pull that off in this kind of culture/society/whatever. Well, sure, statistically that’s true, because men control more of the wealth in the economy, but I think it’s kind of missing the point as far as explaining the phenomenon. I think it’s simply a societal norm that’s tied to a biological difference between men and women: the fact that women carry and bir…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 12:21 AM
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I don’t think I even implied that let alone said it. I said “people” which naturally means men and women both. The context of you making that statement ina thread about a study that found women prefer higher-earning men, while men don’t implies it. I am in total agreement with that. But not what followed the part of that sentence you quoted?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:35 PM
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Yes, which they are then expected to spend on women. What’s your point here?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:33 PM
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Key word: on average. Averages mean shit when we have N=1 which is the default amount of women you interact with. Averages are nice but in real life are relatively unimportant. I seriously do not understand how that’s relevant to anything in my post. Roughly 100 participants per country if the sample is balanced, which is not a lot That’s fair criticism, I suppose, but now you’re doubting the accuracy of the study’s findings, not the interpretation of what they mean. Honestly, I’m not sure what …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:33 PM
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Did you even READ the porn article? The part where the anti-porn feminist meeting was protested by sex-positive feminist women? I did read it. What’s your point? That it’s not a view shared by all feminists? I never said it was; very few feminist views are shared by literally all of them. The sexbot article is a single one from over a year ago; the only real objection she can work up is to simulated rape in a doll she admits probably doesn’t exist, and then a lot of ‘let’s ask questions” talk. C…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:30 PM
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No, it’s not like that at all. My argument is that it’s a feminist concept and it’s been used to pathologies the male libido. If this was the only instance of it, you might have a point, because there’d be no pattern, but there is a pattern. What you’re doing is like claiming that there is no “war on women” coming from religious conservatives, because their views on abortion are about children’s rights, their views on women’s place being in the home are about protecting the nuclear family and es…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:26 PM
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Well, that’s at least a detailed critique of the research, so thanks for that. For example, gendered divisions of labour in marriage remains a pervasive problem Not really sure what you think the problem is when there’s no evidence these imbalances aren’t the result of free choice. If you’re simply referring to the imbalances (like income) that result from them, then the problem would seem to be that women buy into their gender norm in this area. So...toxic femininity?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:20 PM
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If you think feminist critique of porn “pathologizes the male libido” you obviously haven’t done much reading on the subject. No, that’s not it. The fact that you disagree with me clearly indicates you’re biased and don’t know what you’re talking about. See how such allegations work? And no, feminists do not restrict their criticisms of porn to simply abuse within the industry. I have no problems with investigations into that arena, providing they’re based on relevant research, not disconnected …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:17 PM
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I’m not asking anything, I’m pointing out one of their many biases and challenging their claim that they’re for equality for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:09 PM
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I don’t buy that argument. Women are greedier than men? Not a claim you can make based on these statistics alone. Gender norms are a far better argument. My point is simply that feminism is highly selective about which gender norms they wan to dismantle, and that their selections make their selection criteria clear: they don’t much care about norms that benefit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:09 PM
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To be fair, I haven’t known her to argue in bad faith before. We’ve had our problems, but generally I find her to be one of the more reasonable people here, or at least honest in her arguments. I think the problem is she’s just genuinely biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:06 PM
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Uh...or just restrict your LTRs to women on the lower end of the bell curve. These are averages, not absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 10:04 PM
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What feminists tell women tend to make it harder for men to have sex, but not intentionally You mean not explicitly. Except men don’t want to look bad, so they’re trying to shame women into hurting themselves for the sake of equality. Huh? How?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 09:51 PM
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Might. Might not. Dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 09:50 PM
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Huh? Men compensate by doing more work outside the home. That’s equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 09:49 PM
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Nah, I just assumed a person arguing in defense of feminist points on a sub devoted to debate between feminists and manosphere types was a feminist. Shocking. Now, did you have a response to anything wake I wrote or are you just mad I mislabeled you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 09:48 PM
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I never claimed they were about that; I said they were about changing daring behavior (mainly men’s).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 09:46 PM
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They have to draw the race card to justify this? Men being discriminated against isn’t a worthy enough reason, it has to be black men? Jesus Christ, the Left is so sad when it comes to this issue.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 01:51 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:57 PM
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How does any of that make it “not a feminist term?”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:52 PM
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Affirmative consent is one, and much of the recent push to make misogyny illegal in the UK is about cutting down on “wolf whistling.” Obama’s Title IX mandates, some of #metoo, and definitely “listen and believe” have all crossed the line and impacted male-female sexual relations in ways I would argue feminists either want or are apathetic about preventing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:51 PM
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Please share some examples of how feminists show a disapproval about the fact that men have sex. I already told you they don’t explicitly say it. It’s a claim I’m making based on their pattern of complaining about male sexual behavior (not just rape and sexual assault). People have an issue when someone ‘gets’ sex via coercion, rape, force, violence, drugging drinks, pushing drinks, refusing to listen when the other person expresses disinterest.... No, it’s more than just that, and the list of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:47 PM
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I’ve heard plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:24 PM
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No, I’m referring to libfems.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:23 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze Feminist term, first sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:21 PM
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Ways feminists have pathologized the male libido: The Male Gaze The unending, ever-growing list of things that they say men do that objectify women. Their problems with porn. Their problems with sex dolls/bots. And their constant linking of male sexuality with violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:19 PM
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Sorry, this conversation looks like it’s going to take more effort than it’s worth to make sure my points come across clearly to you, and I’m not up for that right now. Suffice it to say, you haven’t understood what I’m saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:17 PM
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Perhaps "imbalance" is the wrong word, but I was referring to women prioritizing a man's earning power over his looks in mate selection, and men doing the reverse. Feminists deem this to be due to gender roles, and they think all gender roles are socialized, and they're committed to ridding the world of them, so people are all free to be themselves, and in most cases they seem to think men and women will behave similarly, absent any obvious reason they wouldn't. Ways feminists have pathologized …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:12 PM
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No, I'm simply illustrating how their pattern of behavior suggests a motive they themselves can't perceive and won't admit to, but the evidence for it is still there. I don't think feminists consciously want to limit men's ability to get sex, but they do disapprove of how much sex men get, how they get it, etc, and those complaints often amount to limiting how much sex men get and what strategies they can use to get it. Feminist concerns in the dating arena are not limited to rape and sexual har…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:01 PM
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Why would you expect gender differences to go down when women have more freedom to choose I wouldn't, but feminists seem to think that when they unshackle us all from our socially programmed gender roles and minds, that we will all behave the same or at least much more so. Observed gender differences will vanish, fat women will have as much SMV as thin ones, women will fight over who gets to date the guy who rides on the back of the trash truck, etc. what imbalance is there to correct Maybe "imb…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 09:58 PM
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Are you suggesting men should change their strategy and date exclusively women they think have good character but might be ugly? Complaining because many women do not want broke ass men? Uh, no, and no. Where did I give you the impression I was doing either of those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 08:49 PM
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Oh, they very much care. Feminists are obsessed with sex, making sure men get less of it than they currently do, pathologizing the male libido, and making sure sex happens the way feminists think it should. They spend tons of time on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 08:48 PM
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Feminism's inability to change the way attraction works on a fundamental level doesn't necessarily mean they're somehow talking out of both sides of their mouth or not really trying, could be the task is impossible. When the most feminist countries in the world literally have feminist governments, I don't think it can be argued they lack the resources to make a solid attempt, and yet I have not seen them make said solid attempt. What I find interesting is that, even when the majority of the peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 08:45 PM
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Feminists have stated a desire to demolish all gender norms, so that people are free to be themselves. And I have definitely heard feminists disparage the tendency for men to select women more based on their looks than personality or other traits, and the reverse for women. Feminists have actually gone into great detail pathologizing male sexual appetites and their expression. Do you really not know what I'm talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 08:42 PM
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No feminist has ever said that they are that interested in getting men laid. Or stated that getting men laid is an objective of feminism. Not what I said. Are you missing the bit in the conclusion of the study that found that women preferring men with higher earning potential is slightly less in more equal countries? So yes, they continue to prefer men with more money, just like men place physical attaction much higher than women do. I think I'm missing the part where you disagree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 08:40 PM
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I have definitely heard feminists refer to men who leave their wives when they get old and marry younger women as exhibiting "toxic masculinity." And feminists have long pathologized men's visual attraction to women's physical beauty, whether they're talking about "the male gaze" or "objectification." Furthermore, they have stated a general desire to get rid of all gender norms, and this is definitely a gender norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 08:38 PM
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Always.
/r/MensRights05/12/18 02:32 AM
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The role of women in industrial/aggregate societies was more or less a supportive role, henceforth less value was placed on the role, and therefore women were oppressed and seen as lesser than men. Agreed, sort of. Men provided for the community far more than women did, who were relegated to roles supporting men in their own homesteads. I feel this is what lead to women being treated as men’s property. The men’s right movement is a direct result of men feeling the pressure of less emphasis being…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 02:30 AM
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Male (hetero) Believes in God or any other supernatural crap, as well as bullshit like flat earth/anti-vax. Is a feminist. Has any history of infidelity. Doesn’t find me funny / isn’t funny. Doesn’t find me intelligent / isn’t intelligent. Isn’t sexually attracted to me / isn’t sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 10:13 PM
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This should be a dealbreaker for many more people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 10:06 PM
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Then spend the vast majority of that budget on lots of frugal fundraising activities.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 09:25 PM
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Hi. Shut the fuck up.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 09:23 PM
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I agree, but in this case Harvard didn’t even appease them, because they don’t want equality to begin with.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 05:14 PM
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Oh, Jesus, that’s just daft.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 05:13 PM
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Wasn't their solution to feminists' complaints about some frats being "old boys' clubs" to just do away with the entire frat/sorority system altogether and ban gender-exclusive clubs? But feminists aren't good with that; they want only men's clubs banned, not women's clubs. Equality, my ass.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 02:49 PM
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Le durr hurr hurr....
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 01:55 PM
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I do too. I could make a lot of money off of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 01:41 PM
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Some of their positions and rhetoric are, yes, but I’m not going to make blanket statements about a huge group of people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 01:34 PM
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Alright, I’ll bite. What did she do overall that was so terrible?
/r/MensRights04/12/18 01:32 PM
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I expect in on the sense that they need to do it if they want my respect for their movement, not in the sense that I’d bet on it happening anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 01:27 PM
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You know what, man, there’s being true to yourself and attending to your own feelings, and then there’s being an ass. I think you’ve got the two confused. Maybe the reason you’re dating an abusive woman is related. Anyway, see ya.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 07:43 AM
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“friend prostitute” As a therapist myself, thanks. 😋 No, seriously, as a therapist, I can tell you you’re thinking about therapy wrong if that’s what you think a therapist is, and if you go into it with that attitude, you’re not going to get much out of it. A therapist isn’t a friend, they’re a high quality social mirror. A good therapist should be able to show you things about yourself that you either don’t know or have seriously neglected. Furthermore, they have knowledge about how the mind do…
/r/MensRights04/12/18 04:30 AM
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Ah, well, welcome to the naughty kids’ corner then, I guess. 😉
/r/MensRights04/12/18 03:55 AM
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A little hard, because I’m not familiar with the model you’re referencing, but if you’re asking for awareness-raising methods, I would create some professional-grade posters to put up around campus, and look into getting some speakers to come talk about men’s health issues on campus. Also, doing a men’s health day would be great. Finally, t-shirts. They’re mobile posters that last a lot longer than paper ones do. Just have to make sure they’re ones people will want to wear on more than one occas…
/r/MensRights04/12/18 01:03 AM
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I don’t know where you live or who you associate with, but my experience doesn’t reflect yours. Most of the men I know are quite mature and considerate of other people’s feelings, while still having a healthy respect for their own. I do know a lot of men, however, who put up with too much emotional abuse from women, so in that specific area, I agree most men don’t put their feet down enough. Honestly, though, if your girlfriend is really telling you your feelings don’t matter, and won’t change, …
/r/MensRights04/12/18 12:58 AM
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A rare moment of sanity from the Australian government.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 12:46 AM
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Chaneya says the more she denied any abuse, the more irate her mother became – and even threatened her with a belt. According to Chaneya, her mother said, “If you don’t tell me the answer that I want to hear, I’m going to beat you.” To avoid a beating, says Chaneya, she told her mother that her father molested her even though it wasn’t true. I would argue that, in this instance, the daughter should not be charged, as her lie was coerced by the mother. Instead, the mother should be charged and se…
/r/MensRights04/12/18 12:42 AM
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If the purpose of your post was to make a point, rather than ask a question, why not just do that and flair it CMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 12:32 AM
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So you think women’s oppression happened because women’s traditionally-performed tasks, like child-rearing, sewing, etc, weren’t paid for with money? How’s about all the conscription that happened to men? And how is women being denied the vote a result of their traditional tasks not being paid for? This notion that women deserve to be paid for raising their own children and taking care of their families and homes is really outlandish. Men perform plenty of tasks in the service of these aims, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 12:30 AM
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I suspect most women would actually favor the Nice Guy approach, and find themselves acting like actual Nice Guys (i.e. going apeshit) when they realized how poorly most women respond to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 12:08 AM
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We like it remaining vague, then we can mod away stuff thats uncivil without being subject to constant “rules lawyering” by members who think they’re clever by being uncivil to other members whilst staying within the letter of the rules. Okay, but I think you could still provide more clarity about what you mean in the sidebar, while still retaining the right to delete comments you guys feel are violating the spirit of the rule without violating the letter of it. Seems like doing so would only he…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 08:05 PM
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From your first link: "Calls of 'misandry' could be used to shut down or accuse women who write about and speak about male violence, male abusers, and statistical facts about men being the majority offenders of domestic and sexual abuse." So, what they're worried about is being held legally accountable when they make generalized statements about men regarding these topics. Seeing as feminists do this regularly, I'd be shitting my pants if I were them too. ​
/r/MensRights03/12/18 05:16 PM
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This is giving rise to unnecessary movements like Men’s rights activism. Never let it be said that feminists don't deny men have gender issues in urgent need of attention.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 03:34 PM
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You’re right, but this is still a shitpost.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 01:34 PM
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I have no problem with that. I think it’s stupid and makes their sub less productive towards their movement’s stated goal (equality for both men and women), but then again, that stated goal is hogwash to begin with, so really their policy is more honest.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 01:31 PM
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LOL, Alexis Ohanian RNG.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 01:28 PM
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If you posted or commented at all here prior to posting, it’s just as likely they banned you purely for that. Not saying you wouldn’t have been banned for that post even if you hadn’t/didn’t post here prior to it, just sayin’.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 01:26 PM
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No one’s love is unconditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 12:59 PM
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For the same basic reasons a lot of men get into LTRs with crazy/abusive women. “Bad” men and women are often exciting in their “good” moments, whereas “good” men and women are often comparatively boring. The more pertinent question, in my opinion, is why “bad” men are blamed for their badness, but the men who date “bad” women are held responsible for “putting their dick in crazy.” Just more of the empathy gap and pretty much everyone—feminists included—not holding women accountable for their ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 12:04 PM
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I mean, I’m unsurprised by the results you found, quite honestly. The thing about emotionally unstable women is that, when they’re bad, they’re really bad, but when they’re good, they’re really good. Men being—on average—more emotionally stable than women, we can deal with women’s “drama” better than other women can, which I think a lot of women would attest to. As such, a lot of men can deal with the emotional bullshit dramatic women throw at them (i.e. emotional abuse) in exchange for the good…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 04:46 AM
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I don’t think you understand how implication works. Precise logic isn’t involved. I’m sorry, I’m not going to go into this, it’s too complicated, and I’ve had far too many experiences on Reddit with textual communication being insufficient to convey complex ideas to people who already think they know otherwise. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 04:33 AM
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Precisely. This is why, when feminists bring up Roosh V, I point out that he isn’t an MRA, because he never claimed he was, but when they bring up a Paul Elam, I admit he’s a shithead MRA, but point out that many MRAs think just that and don’t agree with him. I would have no problem if feminists simply admitted that all those feminist trolls on Twitter who tweet #killallmen were shitty feminists, but they don’t—they deny them the label to keep it “pure.”
/r/MensRights02/12/18 09:49 PM
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No, obviously I don’t expect you to address matters that aren’t at all relevant, but you just said to the OP l, “the reason men are charged with rape when they have drunk sex with a drunk girl is because the girl files charges and he doesn’t,” which—on its own—implies that (a) said charges are valid, and (b) that said charges should be filed against the girl too, which makes no sense. How can two people rape each other? I understand now that you didn’t mean that, but by making a statement devoid…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 09:43 PM
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Wrong definition. And you’ve totally misunderstood my comment. This is why I’m quitting this conversation, because getting my points across to you is too difficult. I’ve had better conversations about this with people who have demonstrated a greater ability to understand what I’m saying and articulate where they disagree, rather than put words in my mouth and argue against straw men. Goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 08:03 PM
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...By “legal abortion” are you referring to LPS or medical abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 07:55 PM
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Gee, now that you put it in all caps, it totally makes sense. /s You didn’t follow up with anything about how it was wrong that authorities prosecute drunk sex as rape, nor that the drunk sex accusers was wrong in her allegation, and as I already showed, there’s plenty of reason to suspect you were supporting a view that is widely held. You didn’t clarify your stance. All you need say is “that’s not what I meant” (which you have); getting angry about people misconstruing your text posts on the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 07:54 PM
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This is the last comment I’ll make. Honestly, it’s people like you that make me want to vote against my own principles and repeal Roe v. Wade, just so there might be a chance at dog-earring LPS-like legislation into whatever abortion-legalizing law would follow. The unreasonableness of the Left is driving me (a lifelong liberal) towards the Right. Sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 07:47 PM
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I said your comment implied it, not that that was your intention. I’m talking about grammar, not you. Ironic that you just accused me of reading things weirdly, when you just did the exact same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 07:42 PM
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LOL, okay, in all seriousness, plenty of people here have experienced what you have. In fact, it was probably only that they assumed you’re a woman that prevented you from being banned outright. /r/Feminism is one of the most intolerant subs on Reddit. I was banned ages ago for (very politely) questioning another commenter’s allegation that something was sexist (can’t recall what anymore, sorry, but it was nothing hugely controversial). Anyway, now that you’ve posted here, you might as well unsu…
/r/MensRights02/12/18 07:40 PM
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No, you’re right, that wasn’t cool. But that also wasn’t feminism, and those aren’t feminists. See, feminism is about equality, and as such, has no flaws or bad actors. Whenever you see a feminist acting badly, be assured that that person isn’t a feminist. There are no bad feminists, by definition. So, see, you should still be a feminist, because feminism is about equality and rainbows. /s
/r/MensRights02/12/18 07:35 PM
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No, you don’t understand, let me explain. Someone said Bradley Cooper was abusive. Ergo, Bradley Cooper is abusive. And misogynistic. And a secret member of the alt-right. And racist. And an unreported rapist. Feminist logic FTW!
/r/MensRights02/12/18 07:26 PM
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Your comment implied that the “victim” is the one who makes the complaint, even when “perpetrator” has just as much right to make the claim (none). Why did I assume that’s what you meant? Because it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 06:53 PM
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So, when two drunk people have sex, the rapist is the one who doesn’t cry rape? I think that’s a pretty low bar to set for our investigators and prosecutors. And frankly, this is why inebriation itself should not qualify someone as a rape victim. You passed out and were unconscious while they fucked you? Fine. But you were just drunk and had impaired judgment or you can’t remember what happened? Sorry, love, that’s what alcohol does!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 06:01 PM
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I’m tired of this. You’re giving me the same tired arguments over and over again, without responding to my counterarguments. I’ve pointed out how you’re being hypocritical, how you’re sporting a misandrist double-standard, and yet you don’t defend yourself against these allegations, you just spit back the same things you said two comments ago. You’re wrong. Dead wrong. And I’m sorry you can’t see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 08:26 AM
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Do you think mothers can do full time child care and work at the same time? Not in most occupations, which is why I’m for tons of maternity leave, social services for single parents, and why I think mother who choose to have children knowing they don’t have a helping co-parent are selfish brats. It’s definitely a problem, but not one we can’t solve without placing the burden on unwilling fathers who never had a say in the matter. And please, don’t bring up the contraceptive argument again, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 08:20 AM
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Together your risk of pregnancy is null if you’re both using a >90% method. It’s not null, it’s simply extremely unlikely, and yet your argument that we deny all men this right in suggestion is based on them being a statistical minority when proper cosntraceptive use is employed. “They’re so rare, we needn’t worry about them. Yes, it happens, but fuck them.” That’s your argument here. Men’s rights need attention. Yes, and LPS laws are one of them. This is ~100% supported by MRAs and even some fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 08:04 AM
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Government assistance? So you want bastards paid for by the tax payer? Not all bastards. Only those whose mothers can’t pay for them. Which is what is currently done, so I don’t know what you’re complaining about here. I’m saying that the child is punished so that the father can live more comfortably. The child is not punished, so long as (a) the mother can pay or (b) the government can. Which, again, is the system we currently have to deal with poor widows with children. You’re objecting to som…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 07:45 AM
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I’m not saying not to have sex. Yes, you effectively are, since no form of contraception is 100% effective. So, you’re saying, if you have sex, be sure to use at least two forms of birth control, because if she accidentally gets pregnant, and she decides to keep it, tough shit, the child she chose to create from the accidentally-created fetus is 50% your responsibility now. And nevermind the fact that our laws don’t even protect male rape victims from having to pay CS to their female rapists or …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 06:22 AM
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How is the child hurt if the mother can pay for it and she receives government assistance if she can’t? The child’s needs are taken care of, arguably better by either a willing and able mother or by the government than by our current system that holds many unwilling fathers accountable, and jails them if they can’t pay. And I hope you’re not implying that the mother is “punished” by having to pay for her own choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 06:16 AM
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I mean, legally it’s not unique because the government doesn’t recognize rights of the unborn until >12 weeks into a pregnancy. Legality has nothing to do with it. It’s uniqueness stems from the fact that it and the morning after pill are the only two forms of contraception (if you even want to call it that, and I’m not sure that’s actually appropriate, because they’re used post-conception) that are used after sex occurs. Your likening of abortion to other forms of contraception is just wrong IM…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 03:34 AM
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PTSD is just conception. Huh? What do you mean by this? PTSD is a mental health disorder diagnosed from a very specific set of symptoms. Trauma is perception. Again, what do you mean by this? No, trauma is a complex phenomenon that occurs in the brain as a response to moments of extreme terror. It seems like you are downplaying the experiences of the women I quoted No, I wasn’t downplaying them. I may not have gotten the full picture by just reading the quotes you provided, but I was genuinely a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 03:05 AM
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People can insult whole groups “women are bitches” and that’s fine. You can even insult an individual “Madonna is a bitch”. You just can’t insult an individual who is a member “TGP is an asshole” or a close relative of a member “TGPs wife is a bitch”. That’ll get comments removed and draw warnings/bans. Wow. Yeah, that’s not at all clear. Do you guys detail this in the sidebar and I just missed it? Anyway, thank you for the clarification. I’ll try to abide by the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 02:56 AM
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Do we see it represented in mainstream publications? If not, why? We don’t, because the gender norm is that women are the selectors and men are the performers. So, women complaining that there are fewer men impressing them with their performances is still “on script,” whereas men complaining that there aren’t enough women impressing them out there isn’t. It’s like, “women aren’t supposed to be impressing you, you entitled misogynist!”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 03:58 PM
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Bravo! This is the empathy gap in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 03:53 PM
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It doesn’t matter what your definition of uncivil is. I already said I was trying to understand yours and acknowledged that, while I might not agree with it, yours is what matters if I’m to participate here without getting banned. There is absolutely no reason for you to make a condescending remark like this. Our definition covers many things, but primarily (IIRC) you were insulting other members directly, which is always considered uncivil. I’ll come back to this later, but if your point is tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 03:44 PM
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But you are underestimating just how difficult some states are making it for women. As someone who is pro choice, these actions should concern you. They do concern me. And I agree that, to the extent that abortions truly aren’t reasonably accessible to women in a particular state, LPS laws for that state make no sense. But if they are, I see no problem with them. In point of fact, I think they’re the only ethical choice for equality in the reproductive rights arena. Compassion isnt a limit resou…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 01:54 AM
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Abortion is just another form of birth control. No, it’s not, it’s unique in that it’s done post-conception (the only other one like it is the morning after pill). You’re not getting my argument at all. Children these days are only born if women want them to be, at least in countries where abortion is legal and accessible. As such, when women choose to have kids against the fathers’ wishes, that’s their choice, and said fathers should not be forced to finance it. Please give me an argument for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 01:28 AM
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So then you know, it can be dangerous. If, by “dangerous” you mean depressing, sure. And please, I treat depression for a living, so don’t accuse me of minimizing that word. Depression, however, isn’t trauma. I wish I could, because I couldn’t find any study that looked legitimate / was peer reviewed that said more than about 10-15% of women suffer trauma afterwards before I got one. Can’t say I’m surprised. Lay peoplemtend to think anyone who is super depressed about something in the past is tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 01:19 AM
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So do I, but it still wouldn't remedy the problem LPS laws would. If, for whatever reason, birth control efforts fail, women can still abort, and thus the decision to have a child rests entirely on them. In many cases, men do not want to have kids, and they plead with the women they accidentally impregnated to get an abortion, but the women decide to have the kids anyway. Then that man gets forced by a court to pay child support for a child he never wanted to exist, and which only does exist, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 05:58 PM
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While I can’t obviously analyze your experience here and determine whether or not I think what you’re experiencing qualifies as trauma, I can say that your stated experience is quite rare. I’ve treated plenty of women who’ve had abortions, including some that had real issues with it that went on for years afterwards. Can you cite me some data that shows a substantial number of women have been diagnosed with PTSD after having an abortion? I’d be very interested to see that. Statutory rape victims…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:48 PM
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Condoms break like my IUD failed, infrequently Actually, in my experience, it depends on the condom. Mainstream (pricey) brands like Durex and Trojan have never broken on me, but the shitty free condoms you get at health clinics and schools? All the fuckin’ time; that’s why I don’t use them. But tons of people do. Abortion with only rape or incest? Are you playing games with me? Sort of, actually. I’m staunchly pro-choice; all the comments I’ve made here, asking people if they’re against abortio…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:41 PM
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Can you cite me a few comments you feel were me getting uncivil before someone else got uncivil, because I’m not sure I have the same definition of incivility that you guys do, and I don’t want to get banned from the sub, so I’d like to know what the standard for civil behavior is here. This isn’t a challenge, I’m just trying to abide by your rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:33 PM
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Actually, I’m quite used to people regarding me as an asshole, misogynist, alt-right, TRPer just for expressing my views on men’s rights and feminism, so...thanks for clarifying that you don’t. But I can totally relate to getting frustrated and angry when debating on Reddit. I’ve lost my cool too and said things I shouldn’t have plenty of times. It’s not that I don’t understand how that can happen, it’s just I’m not sure what I said that pissed you off. If it was the misandry comment, then let m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:30 PM
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Like it or not, when a child is born, the father is partly responsible for the birth of that child. Sorry, but you and I disagree on this. If the woman has the option to abort, and the guy makes it clear he doesn't want to have the kid, but she decides to have it anyway, that's on her. She didn't have to have the kid, she chose to, knowing she'd be facing single parenthood. I think that's fine, women should be free to do it, but they should shoulder all of the responsibility, rather than demandi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 05:51 PM
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Agreed.
/r/MensRights29/11/18 05:31 PM
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LOL, you're really ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 05:30 PM
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I'm done arguing with you about this, since you're obviously unwilling to change your mind and we're just going over the same points over and over again. You've repeatedly mischaracterized what I'm saying, indicating you don't really understand it, and I'm tired of trying to explain it to you. Suffice it to say, I think you have a misandrist double-standard on this topic, and you should really work on your empathy for men, because it's seriously lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 05:29 PM
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It takes two to conceive a baby, men have the choice before the sex happens- use a condom, have a vasectomy or don't have sex. It's that simple. No, it's not that simple, because women get a mulligan if they get pregnant, but then men have to finance her choice if she chooses to have the kid. Women have the same responsibility as men to use protection and try to avoid accidental pregnancies, but when they happen, the guy's life is forever altered by the woman's choice, which he has no control ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 05:26 PM
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Your acting like men are forced to take risks and fuck random women unprotected. They arnt. Take some damn responsibility for your own life. No, I’m not, and I do take responsibility. It’s you who is arguing women not take responsibility for their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 01:49 PM
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Condoms break, men get raped by women, women steal sperm, shit happens. Not everything goes according to plan all the time. I don’t agree with you that women have a right to men’s sperm if it somehow finds its way inside her uterus against his wishes. That’s toxic femininity to a T.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 01:48 PM
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Not every woman has access to abortion and many don’t even know they are pregnant till it’s too late to have one. Many women have no symptoms of pregnancy and continue having periods so are none the wiser. Yes, and that does suck, but our laws shouldn’t restrict the rights of all men, simply because some women have some unfortunate biological quirks. Not to mention it's not some quick fix with no physical or psychological risks. So? It’s still a walk in the park compared to nine months of pregna…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 01:44 PM
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Unfortunately, a man can’t just walk away from a fetus like a woman can. LOL, women don’t “walk away” from fetuses, they get them aborted. If a woman doesn’t want an abortion, the fetus will become a person whether the man likes it or not, and that is his child. Biological child, yes. If I were in that situation, I would step up and help raise the child, and I can’t even remotely relate to your position here. Okay. At least you admit it. It really has nothing to do with the mother, or whether yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 01:34 PM
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Still, they very clearly state they’re on her side, and think OP is the one with the problematic behavior.
/r/MensRights29/11/18 01:14 PM
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I’m gonna miss Ruth when she’s gone.
/r/MensRights29/11/18 10:30 AM
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There’s an entire chain of comments saying they’re on her side and griping about how frustrating quiet partners are....
/r/MensRights29/11/18 10:20 AM
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I wish more women knew men don’t have trouble expressing emotional vulnerability. I hear this parroted all the time, particularly by feminists, and yet I know from both personal and professional experience (I’m a therapist) that it’s totally false. Men have no problem being emotionally vulnerable; what we’re not allowed to do is ask for help. Men are expected to solve all of their own problems and quite often the problems of women as well. Because of this, when men run into difficulty solving a …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 07:39 AM
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traumatic Already responded to thisin your other comment. You don’t need to make the same points to me repeatedly. Not every mother can just kill her baby and live with it. Again, aborting a fetus =/= killing a baby. many women are unwilling to use abortion as a form of birth control. I don’t care? Some women having ethical qualms with abortion is not the same as them being forced to bring pregnancies to term. They’re entitled to their views, but our laws should not restrict the rights of men ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 07:27 AM
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Abortion is painful, traumatic, dangerous... Painful, yes. Dangerous...mmmmm, sort of. Traumatic? No. I’m a therapist, I know what trauma is, and abortions are not traumatic. Trauma is a complex phenomenon in the brain that results from terror and usually a close brush with death or perceived death. It has many more symptoms than just those associated with depression, including flashbacks. How many women do you know who have flashbacks to their abortions? I’m not contesting that abortion can be …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 07:19 AM
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Lol apparently, according to you, women should be responsible for their own birth control and the male birth control too. No, I was flipping the other commenter’s argument on its head to point out how ridiculous it is. People are responsible for their own birth control, obviously. However... If she should be “insisting” that he wears a condom, then he should be responsible for her protection too and insist that she uses the pill. ...absolutely. Condoms + the pill double the effectiveness of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 06:47 AM
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Men who don’t wanna be dads only sleep with women willing to get abortions. LOL, you can’t possibly seriously think this, can you? Do you? Why exactly do you think there are so many unwilling fathers out there? Part of it is because some men—just like some women—make stupid decisions when having sex. And then there are the ones who did take precautions (wearing condoms, making it clear they don’t want kids, getting verbal promises from their sex partners to abort any accidental pregnancies or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 06:35 AM
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You not getting a vasectomy creates your own potential fatherhood Actually, impregnation is possible, even with a vasectomy, just ridiculously rare. There isn’t a form of BC out there that’s 100% effective besides abstinence (which isn’t really BC). But okay, your argument is, women should be entitled to child support from men who accidentally impregnate them if they choose to have the kid, because men had the option of wearing a condom or getting a vasectomy, right? Well, if abortion is just an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 06:31 AM
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That’s not logical, that’s you being jealous. LOL—jealousy has nothijf to do with it, buddy. This is about ethics. I get it, we as men have less say in what happens when we and another person begin a pregnancy, and that sucks. Oh, it more than sucks, it’s also not fair. Particularly not when we could easily remedy some of that unfairness. But what you are proposing only hurts women, it doesn’t help men. It absolutely helps men—by making it so that they’re not automatically responsible for financ…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 06:10 AM
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You can continue to believe I am a man-hater because I believe in LPS but not in a manner in which places zero responsibility or consequences on men and 100% of them on women. That’s not why I accused you of misandry. And I draw a distinction between misandry and man-hating, semantically at least. I don’t think you hate men and I never said you did. It’s a shame you don’t know the idea of compromise or you can’t understand how to balance the consequences or responsibilities of sex in an actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 03:19 AM
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I don’t have much insight into American culture- do you think people would be okay with higher taxes to fund more robust social programs to make sure kids don’t slip through the cracks? My real issue would be with men to want to avoid the financial responsibility while at the same time not wanting to pay a higher tax rate Liberals would probably be for improvements to the social safety net for children, but against LPS laws. Conservatives would likely be against both. Just look at the comments h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 03:13 AM
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I refuse to believe you are this obtuse. I’m not, and my arguments haven’t been obtuse. You just don’t seem to be very good at isolating the reasons you disagree with someone via discourse or perhaps just don’t get what I’m saying. Again, odd for a lawyer, but whatever. I’m not dense and my arguments are logical, not emotional. Cite the emotional logic I’ve employed against you to make my case thus far. Yes, the law would be to allow men to get out of parental rights/obligations that is literall…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 03:07 AM
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Because it does not result from sex, and is therefore no a repercussions of sex. Pregnancy is, miscarriages are, hormonal changes, STDs, unwanted children, etc, but abortion doesn’t result from sex. In point of fact, as I said, it is a modern medical procedure designed to spare women one of the consequences for them. It’s intellectually dishonest to claim it’s a consequence of sex for them when they have to choose to have it done—it’s a consequence of their choices, not sex. And the reason this …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:20 AM
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They will. I disagree, and unless you’ve got statistics from the future, we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. But what I find misandrist is that it seems like your presumption that this will occur is based on the view that most/all men are deadbeats-in-waiting, who need the fear of CS to keep them involved in their children’s lives to begin with. What is the point of enacting such a thing if this is not something intended to allow them to get out of parental responsibilities for any reason o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:04 AM
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Okay, but I disagree that LPS laws need to wait until social safety nets are better. In fact, I would argue there is little incentive to improve said government assistance for children while the government can just shunt the responsibility for paying for them onto a bunch of unwilling men. I do not agree that what I consider to be a fundamental right for men needs to wait for implementation, simply because we haven’t done a good enough job caring for poor kids. And, just to be clear, I don’t thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 12:35 AM
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“Most people don’t commit crime, so the existence of prisons makes no sense.” The above commenter was saying men just shouldn’t have sex unless they’re either ready to be a father or trust their female partner implicitly to have an abortion if an accidental pregnancy occurs. My point was that that is the exact same argument anti-abortion folks give to women. So, you can’t have it both ways. If men have to keep it in their pants unless they want to be on the line for CS, women should have to keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 12:22 AM
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That’s really just semantics and you’re skirting the issue. No, I’m really not, and these semantics are actually vital to not just the rationale for LPS laws, but legal abortion too. The argument for abortion rests on the notion that fetuses below a certain level of development do not count legally as children, and thus terminating them is not murder. I’m pro-choice; I agree with that idea. I’m just saying anti-LPS, pro-choice folks can’t have it both ways in fetal personhood. A fetus doesn’t su…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 12:15 AM
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Final warning? I got no prior warnings. And I’ve only been giving what I’ve been getting from people. Have you been deleting their comments too (honest question, not trying to be testy)? But fine, I’ll just report any further incivility I receive and not respond from here on out. But seriously—I’m not the one who started any of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 11:55 PM
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Just in a fair way that doesn’t allow men to leave women in the lurch after getting what they care about and zipping out without any responsibility for the sex they have. You talk like all men are deadbeat-dads-in-waiting, and if we pass LPS laws that don’t require written “consent” before sex has even occurred, men will go around fucking and ditching women willy nilly. I find that presumption misandrist. And IIRC, you and I once argued about affirmative consent and you were staunchly against th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 11:52 PM
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But if there’s a safety net to guarantee that children will have their needs met regardless of parental income, how is that the mother being 100% responsible? I don't see how that would be a deterrent How many women out there do you think are going to be as keen on having kids against their wishes of the men they conceived them with when that choice has 50% more financial power to put them below the poverty line? Government assistance only comes in for the poor; middle- and upper-class women wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 11:29 PM
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I don’t think they should. Nor do I think men should, just because women do. And that’s the argument being made most frequently against LPS laws: women suffer consequences from getting pregnant, so there need to be big ones for men, because if there aren’t, men will go around having tons of unprotected sex, because they’re all deadbeat-dads-in-waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 10:49 PM
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To pretend abortion is a simple solution without any baggage is just as intellectually dishonest. Please show me where I did that. But my empathy and sympathy does not extend to me leaving women to be the only one facing real risk from sex. You think a guy who gets a woman pregnant and is told she’s going to have the child against his wishes is unaffected, even when he isn’t obligated to pay for it? I find your empathy for men insufficient. You—like virtually everyone I encounter who argues agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 10:46 PM
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No, I’m not. You are the one who needs to improve their reading comprehension. Damn, so many irrational women on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 10:04 PM
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but I don’t think it was used initially in the same fashion as the morning after pill was intended to be used for Huh? I don’t know what you’re referring to. How was abortion used differently now than it was when it was first legalized? And how is the morning after pill intended to be used in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 10:01 PM
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Where in your link does it say the non-surrendering parent must be notified? I’ll save you some work too: it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:59 PM
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So currently the woman gets to choose between A) A costly and very invasive physical procedure that has large risks attached to it and is a very emotionally charged life altering event. Or B) Carrying the child to term with all the risks and pain attached to it and paying a lot of money for the hospital fees. Don’t hold those two choices out like they’re even remotely equal in severity. Abortion is a godsend to women precisely because it’s so much less horrible for them than labor and birth. To …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:55 PM
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Abortion is a potential repercussion of sex No, it’s not, it’s a medical procedure we use to spare women the actual consequences of sex for them: labor, birth, and motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:46 PM
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I don’t know, I thought I was pretty clear. You wanna shed any light on why you don’t understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:44 PM
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Was not talking about safe haven, which is very rarely used, was talking about legal adoption. Okay, then I don’t understand how it’s relevant to this discussion. Abortion doesn’t incentivize women to have unsafe sex. And LPS laws wouldn’t incentivize men to have unsafe sex. The fact that condoms reduce sensation does. As soon as there’s a pill for men, rates of unsafe sex will further decrease. It literally is though No, it literally isn’t. And yet here you are still complaining, for some unkno…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:39 PM
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Be like what? Pointing out the hypocrisy of your position? Yeah, not gonna apologize for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:21 PM
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If you don’t understand my argument, please don’t comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:17 PM
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Please find me a credible source that says all safe haven laws require the surrendering parent to notify the non-surrendering one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:16 PM
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If there was enough of a social safety net for the kids to ensure their future isn’t compromised there would definitely be a better case for absolving fathers from paying child support. I don’t think it’s fair to say “well, we don’t currently do enough to help needy kids in single parent homes, so because we’re failing in that arena, men can’t have the same control over their reproduction as women.” Maybe if women knew they will be 100% fiscally responsible for children they choose to have again…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:15 PM
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I agree with your general point, but, technically, abortion came first, so it’s really “the morning after pill is the new abortion.” Which is literally what it is: a new way to abort.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:07 PM
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All men have to do is wear a condom, is that really so hard? All women have to do is take the pill or insist that their male partners wear condoms. Is that really so hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:06 PM
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So yes, a woman can legally have an abortion, but can you explain why that fact should have any bearing on who should have to pay for a child? Sure. Because a woman doesn’t abort a child, she aborts a fetus. And likewise, a man doesn’t help create a child when he accidentally gets a woman pregnant, he helps create a fetus. With abortion, children only come into existence when women want them to. Their choice, their responsibility. Listen, I know where you’re coming from I think you have to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:03 PM
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I love abortions, but I’ll vote against them if it’s the only way to get LPS laws put in place. That’s equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:58 PM
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Rape is not federal law at all, it state law Alright, good-bye. No debate can be had with someone as detached from reality as you.
/r/MensRights28/11/18 08:55 PM
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Agreed. But men should not be obligated to provide it for children they never wanted to exist, just as women are not required to have any children they don’t want to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:54 PM
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“If men can’t check out of parenting women shouldn’t be allowed to either” Yeah. What’s unfair about that? It’s not women’s fault men don’t have an out if they want one. No one is blaming women for this. Tough shit, you’re a father now. Literally the same thing pro-lifers say to pregnant women. Funny how red pill is all about inequality until men are on the downside of it. I’m not Red Pill. My flair says MRA quite clearly. Not the same at all. But you don’t get to leverage a medical procedure th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:51 PM
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a man can wash his hands of the pregnancy. No, he can’t, he has to deal with the knowledge that he has biological offspring out there that he never wanted. Most men who accidentally impregnate a women have to deal with a ton of stress related to the fact that they aren’t in control of whether or not a child results from it, which is why so many such men literally beg said women to get abortions. Yes, pregnancy and abortion suck. So does being unwilling father.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:43 PM
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What didn’t you understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:39 PM
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Fine. I disagree, but at least you’re consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:39 PM
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By that logic, my DNA is mine, and women can’t do what they want with it simply because it happens to be inside them. Forced abortions, yay!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:38 PM
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Alright. I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:36 PM
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No one is arguing that things be exactly the same! LPS “paper” abortions are not medical procedures. When you have an actual argument, let me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:34 PM
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The current system is set up so men have to help support children they helped create. They didn’t help create a child, they helped create a fetus; the woman chose to turn that fetus into a child. This is the crux of the double-standard I’m pointing out. The argument for abortion rests on the personhood of fetuses, and pro-choice folks (of which I am one) argue that fetuses are not children. Fine. Then men who accidentally get a woman pregnant haven’t created a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:33 PM
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Requiring him to consent pre-sex to her getting an abortion in the event of an unwanted pregnancy Huh? No one is making that argument. Women should be free to have abortions regardless of any input from the father or even informing him. Adoption on the other hand is another matter - I believe many states do actually require bio dad to agree beforehand although you can correct me if I’m wrong. From Wikipedia: As of January 8, 2006, only one case had challenged the constitutionality of a safe-have…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:26 PM
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You can't have both no financial responsibility towards unwanted children and low taxes- pick one. I’ll gladly pay more taxes. It’s the fair thing to do. Government financial support for children is only given to poor families, but child support is mandated for children even when the single mothers (or fathers) can afford the kid on their own. I don’t think that should be the case when the father never wanted the kid to exist in the first place. Mothers who choose to turn a fetus into a human be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:57 PM
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Okay. Like I said, not relevant to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:48 PM
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I’m not sure single motherhood went down or up once abortion became a thing. There are probably stats on it, but it’s not relevant to my views on why abortion should be legal. I think women should be allowed to abort for any reason, simply because it affords them control over their own biology and reproduction. I hold the same argument for LPS laws: men should be afforded control over their biology and reproduction. An argument made by people who oppose LPS is that, since pregnancy happens in wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:47 PM
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I agree there are plenty of reasons to be skeptical about Ford’s claims, I just think it’s wrong to say she’s lying without proof. Just as wrong as the Left’s position that we should believe her without proof.
/r/MensRights28/11/18 07:17 PM
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I don’t know. Not relevant to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:16 PM
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Fine. I disagree with your stance on abortion, but at least you’re consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:13 PM
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I think you’re taking the fact that pregnancy happens only in women’s bodies and saying saying “that’s nature, deal with it,” and yes, I would say that’s a double-standard, because if men could take their sperm back, they would. Abortion liberated women from their own biology, and we could do the same for men with a simple law. That you think one should be done but not the other is absolutely a double-standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:12 PM
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The child exists because two consenting people had sex Not in a society that has legal abortion for women. Then, the child only exists because she wanted it to. Men should not be required to finance women’s reproductive decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:08 PM
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Consenting to sex is consenting to the potential repercussions, including the production of life. So you’re against abortions, yes? Only in cases of rape or risk to the mother’s life, no more abortions simply because the woman doesn’t want to have a kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:06 PM
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A woman can only “opt out” through abortion or adoption. Right, she doesn’t need to acquire his written consent prior to sex to do so. So why should men have to get it to waive child support? That’s a double-standard. If a woman accidentally gets pregnant, she can inform the biological father within the period she is able to abort and obtain his written consent to financially take responsibility for the kid. Or, this can be done prior to sex. Men should not be required to opt-out in writing prio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:04 PM
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So you’re against abortions outside of rape and high-risk pregnancies then? After all, women who have unprotected sex can still abort, so you think they shouldn’t be allowed to and be forced to become mothers against their will, right? They should have just made sure their partner wore a condom, yup?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:53 PM
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Same should go for women then. No need for abortions outside of rape and high-risk pregnancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:51 PM
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But men don’t deserve the same degree of autonomy in your view. Misandry abounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:50 PM
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Wait, did you just flip your stance? You agreed with the OP at first, but now you’re agreeing that, no, men should not be able to legally waive responsibility for children they never agreed to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:48 PM
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Then so do women who accidentally get pregnant. No more abortions to avoid motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:47 PM
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So you’re against abortion, except in cases of rape and highly risky pregnancies, yes? Just want to make sure you’re being consistent with your views, since so many people here are touting double-standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:45 PM
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Finally, some sanity from a commenter here. It’s sad that so few people, even on this sub, see the logic behind LPS.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:44 PM
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The real issue is who should pay for an unwanted child, the father or society? If the father never wanted the child and it only exists because the mother did, the mother should pay, and the government should only step in if she can’t. Child support is a right of the child, but should not be an obligation of unwilling biological fathers. What’s so hard to understand there?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:42 PM
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Your generalizations are bullshit. And your post puts up the idea that women I guess ARE consenting to being a parent when they have sex? Cause you know, that’s rational. No, your double-standards are bullshit. If men are tacitly consenting to be fathers when they have sex, so are women. No more abortions for accidental pregnancies, only for rape and highly risky pregnancies. I’m pro-choice, but men should have choices too. If women get a mulligan when they accidentally get pregnant, so should m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:40 PM
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But she doesn’t just get to say, fuck it, I don’t want a kid so I’m not pregnant anymore. Uh, yes she does. Plenty of women have abortions precisely because they don’t want kids yet. Probably the vast majority, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:36 PM
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I think LPS should work wherein he obtains written consent to opt out of fatherhood prior to having sex to begin with Written consent? Why not just verbal? And why should he be obtaining the woman’s “consent” for him to refuse to pay for a kid only she wants to have? Shouldn’t she be obtaining his consent to father any children accidentally conceived by sex? I don’t understand people who have these views. You seem to have a double-standard when it comes to consent and male vs. female reproductiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:33 PM
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Beta Bob? You mean whichever guy she shacks up with next? No, she should pay for the kid, and the government should step in only if absolutely necessary with financial support. CS is a right of the child, but should not be an obligation for unwilling bio-dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:29 PM
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Find me the law saying it’s illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:26 PM
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If men are expected to deal with the consequences of an accidental pregnancy, why shouldn’t women be? Abortions for rape and highly risky pregnancies only—no more abortions simply because the woman doesn’t want to give birth. Toughsky shitsky, she shouldn’t have had vaginal sex. If you don’t agree with that, give me an argument for why we should allow women a mulligan in cases of accidents pregnancy, but not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:24 PM
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I agree 100%, and think it sad so many people can’t wrap their heads around this notion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:22 PM
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Dude, I linked you to a guy who explains it. Made to penetrate is considered rape under U.S. federal law, and under many states laws. Why do female rapists get away with it? Because laws are enforced by people, and the majority of people still think women can’t rape men or that it’s not as bad when they do. If you’re just going to dismiss the evidence I show you for my argument then there’s no discussion to be had here. You’re as much an ideologue as feminists.
/r/MensRights28/11/18 06:20 PM
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Great clip. I obviously agree with the general point Owens is making, but part of the reason I don’t typically cite her in arguments is because I think she goes too far on some points and displays a “head in the sand” attitude about others. For example, she doesn’t believe the scientific evidence for climate change. In that clip you linked to, she calls Ford a liar. I’m sorry, but as much as I agree her accusations shouldn’t have been heeded to the extent they were, and that there isn’t any evid…
/r/MensRights28/11/18 06:17 PM
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And Koss advised the feds that men cannot be raped and they have taken her advice. Eh, yes and no. That 2012 CDC study clearly did, but rape by “made to penetrate” is definitely rape in the U.S. I remember someone on this sub actually emailed the FBI a few years ago and asked if this constitutes rape and the response was a solid “yes.” So, while I do think Koss’s remarks still have lingering effects in the government, they fundamentally disagree with her on it as a matter of policy/law. EDIT: Th…
/r/MensRights28/11/18 05:11 PM
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See my edit.
/r/MensRights28/11/18 04:23 PM
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See my edit.
/r/MensRights28/11/18 04:23 PM
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See my edit.
/r/MensRights28/11/18 04:21 PM
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This rarely ever happens. 🙄 EDIT: Jesus Christ, it was a fuckin’ joke, people!
/r/MensRights28/11/18 08:35 AM
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So what feminists are you talking about? Most feminists I’ve talked to. I don’t know where you’re meeting feminists, but I’ve met relatively few who contest the notion than women can rape men. That’s a view I remember being much more popular in the 90’s (Koss’s era).
/r/MensRights28/11/18 06:09 AM
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Best argument for making women homeless I’ve ever heard. 😝
/r/MensRights27/11/18 10:56 PM
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The point the article misses is that men giving women orgasms can stem both from a desire to please their partners and a desire to demonstrate masculine prowess. For fuck’s sake, when a woman gives really good head and is proud of her skills, is she demonstrating toxic femininity? Is she only motivated by her sexual pride? This shit is fucking ridiculous, and it’s coming from a bunch of hate mongers who have nothing better to do than try and come up with new ways men are bad and women are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 03:11 PM
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To my knowledge, the only people who claim this are the TRP crowd, maybe MGTOW. MRAs don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:00 PM
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I see you point, but toxic masculinity (dum concept to begin with) is about behavior that men are pressured by society to engage in that is harmful to themselves and/or others. Vice is (stupidly) making the argument that men giving women orgasms is harmful, because they don’t “mean” it, but this is Vice. They would argue that a white couple adopting a black child is cultural appropriation. Stop giving these lunatics this much thought. Let the feminists cite them and deal with the fallout of citi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:00 PM
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He should still go the legal route and roll the dice, even if his odds are shitty. We won’t get anywhere unless men start fighting for themselves. That way, we can at least build up a body of cases that demonstrate societal prejudice against male victims. That being said, I should perhaps roll back my “he should” statement to “it would be nice if,” because this is ultimately his choice, and it affects his life far more than anyone else’s or society. But I stand by what I said: of men don’t start…
/r/MensRights27/11/18 01:45 PM
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It’s the teacher/student, adult/child power dynamic. Mainstream society is sympathetic to that, even when the victim is male and the perp female. Sort of—I mean, she’ll still probably get a light sentence compared to a male perp. Where the empathy gap really lies is in an adult woman sexually abusing an adult male. A lot of people still think that can’t happen. To be fair, feminists maintain it can, it’s just that in practice they don’t do anything about it and in many other ways actively cultiv…
/r/MensRights27/11/18 01:38 PM
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So, wait a minute--why the fuck is the college resorting to contradicting it's own policy when it doesn't need to? The accuser alleges he kept disrobing her after she had fallen asleep; whether consent was given verbally or through clear body language isn't even a question at that point--the person is simply unconscious and can't consent at all. This doesn't make any sense.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 10:02 PM
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Any true remodeling of feminism into a movement I would want to be a part of would involve them ditching the label "feminism," so, no.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 09:58 PM
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OP, are you sure this is as big a trend as you think it is? There are some relatively infrequent misogynistic comments made here, but they almost always are called out and heavily downvoted. By and large, this sub is nothing like the den of misogyny it's characterized as by many. Where are you seeing all the posts/comments that make a post like this necessary?
/r/MensRights26/11/18 09:54 PM
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Mrm. Alright, I mean, dicks gonna be dicks, dude. The good thing is that the fact that they were so heavily downvoted means the vast majority of users dislike those comments, so they really only represent a loud minority. As such, I'm not really seeing the shaming of the OP you said was going on. I've seen plenty of threads in r/relationships that shame men for stupid shit and exhibit the usual hypocrisy when it comes from men's vs. women's issues, but this thread was fairly okay. Pretty hard to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:34 PM
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I'm having trouble finding all the comments shaming the OP. Are they all at the bottom? I came across, like, one comment calling OP a hypocrite for liking porn, but not liking that his girlfriend was making porn, which is obviously stupid, but that was one comment, and all the responses were like, "are you serious? fuck off."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:27 PM
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Use modmail to contact the mods, dude.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 06:03 PM
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I agree, I was just trying to explain why things are the way they are.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 05:29 PM
1

But if the demographic that consumes the most government services, and contributes far less than they receive You got a source for this? Reason I ask is because you can't really include government benefits given to single mothers for their children. Those are the child's benefits, not the mother's.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 04:12 PM
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Because women are physically weaker than men on average, and so haven't been tasked with defending borders for all of history. The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) would have made this sort of gender discrimination unconstitutional, but Phyllis Schlafly warned people that this would make women susceptible for the draft, which freaked enough people out that the ERA failed to be voted in as an amendment. This was back when feminists actually had some good ideas.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 04:05 PM
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Just boycott by refusing to buy those products and letting any store that uses such sexist advertising know precisely why you're refraining from purchasing them. Maybe even write the producers of said products and let them know.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 03:58 PM
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"If you're confused about what constitutes harassment during this time in which feminists are expanding the definitions of everything from rape to sexual assault to sexual harassment, you're subconsciously harassing women and deserve to be fired from your job, you toxic male." --Feminists
/r/MensRights26/11/18 03:50 PM
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I'd have no problem with the WHO and the UN focusing so much on women's rights, if they simply limited their focus to countries in which women have yet to be given equal rights to men. There is simply no reason these international organizations need to be beating the women's rights drum in developed nations.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 03:48 PM
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If a woman takes more than an hour to get ready for a date, that's a big red flag to me. Women who spend that much time on their own maintenance are likely to expect me to go to similar lengths to maintain them in other ways. No, thank you.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 03:45 PM
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Remember that CDC study that created the "1-in-5 female college students are raped during their time at college?" Well, that same study showed that, in the year preceding the study's publication, men reported being raped by women at equal rates to women reporting being raped by men. http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ Relevant text: For many feminists, questioning claims of rampant sexual violence in our society amounts to misogynist “rape denial.” However, if the CDC figures are to be tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 03:41 PM
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Thank you! You can help out by speaking up where it's appropriate. Most of us aren't activists, but we try to advocate for men wherever we're able.
/r/MensRights26/11/18 03:11 PM
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I agree that women should have legal and easy access to abortion, but as long as that’s the case, I really don’t see what your problem is with LPS laws. So long as women have control over their reproduction, men shouldn’t have to finance women’s reproductive choices. No one forces you to have a kid, you don’t get to demand someone who never wanted that fetus to become a kid pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 12:03 PM
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I agree, but I don’t think you understand the argument MRAs are making. We’re not saying men o cult these jobs because they’re forced to by societal stereotypes (those are in play, but men are still * choosing* these jobs). The complaint is that much ado is made by feminists over women not making up most of the population of the most highly paid positions in the economy, but never say a peep about the fact that they mostly don’t occupy the worst positions either. It’s not just about money, men d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:27 PM
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If you already view the world through a feminist lens, MensLib is likely the better fit for you. MRAs differ in that we’re largely antifeminist. We think women should be equal to men, but we disagree with feminists on what equality specifically looks like from issue to issue, the extent to which women suffer from sexism today compared to men, and on the policies needed to achieve equality. Generally speaking, I think MensLib/feminism focus on “toxic masculinity” as the source of all men’s proble…
/r/MensRights23/11/18 01:50 PM
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All for legalization of prostitution. And drugs. And gambling. It makes no sense to prohibit things people are demonstrably going to do anyway. Best to regulate it so you can minimize the societal harm done. Criminalizing it arguably just increases said harm.
/r/MensRights23/11/18 01:43 PM
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I believe in patriarchy as an historical system of government and societal organization that was grossly unfair to women, sure. But I disagree that it is the root cause of all sexism in society, and I disagree that it’s still a big problem in society today. The latter two points are pretty essential to being a feminist. Mere acceptance of the fact that patriarchies existed in the past and once held great sway over women’s lives, does not make one a feminist, if that’s what you’re getting at here…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 01:39 PM
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Why should MRAs care about this?
/r/MensRights23/11/18 02:40 AM
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Apparently you don’t understand the significance of words either. Sad that you’re friendless, but there’s probably a good reason for it—your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:57 PM
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Willfully misunderstanding the concept doesn’t prove you right. Men are pressured to pay for women and children by various sources. That’s what it means to be a provider in the gendered sense. This is not a new idea, so I don’t understand why you’re having so much trouble with it. Regardless, since you’re intent on being obstinate, I’m not going to waste further time with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:49 PM
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You don’t understand the importance of friends, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:44 PM
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Men think acts of kindness and providing are the same thing? No shit. Are you fucking daft? This is a societal norm, it's not just something men do for women out of the kindness of our hearts, there are numerous social pressures on us to pay, including said women refusing as second date merely because we insisted they pay their half. Is your sexism so thick that you can't grasp this reality? This is what confuses me. Is a woman living by herself in a provider role because she's providing for her…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:16 PM
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I wasn’t trying to imply that all tradcons or supporters of the traditional family structure or even just anti-divorce folks were against these things out of compassion for men. They have their own reasons, and yes, there is plenty of concern for children involved. But there are also plenty whose primary motivation is concern for men, and there’s nothing wrong with that either, so long as they don’t throw considerations for women and children out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 01:45 PM
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Perhaps very roughly in this modern age, but no, not necessarily. For instance, if the woman is contributing to the family accounts too, the man isn’t filling the provider role alone, is he? So is he really “the provider?” Also, it extends to payment on dates, regardless of the woman’s personal income level. And if money wasn’t a factor, it’d be about food, shelter, and other goods. A thief can fill the provider role. All that’s required is that they provide for the material needs of the woman a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 01:39 PM
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Fine, but I know what OP is talking about; there are a good number of RP men who hold conservative views, and believe things would be better if we’d stuck to 1950’s dating norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 08:37 PM
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if anything is worth whining about, it’s worth fixing Sometimes the problem isn’t with others, your yourself. Not saying tradcons need to accept wives that work, but to the extent not many women want to be SAHMs anymore, that’s just kinda sucks for traditional men, and they need to make adjustments to either find the women who do or change their own preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 08:33 PM
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Not a RPer or a tradcon, but I feel it's worth pointing out that this is one of those areas RP has it's head up it's ass. The more egalitarian relationship between men and women in the dating scene has happened precisely because it works better for those dating. There is some validity to complaints about what it's done to family structures, but if you leave families out of it and solely talk about the dating game, I think women being more independent and sexually liberated has been a net positiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:44 PM
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And none of those are exclusively male traits. That's why there's no such thing as "positive" masculinity--because there's no such thing as "toxic" masculinity either, nor toxic or positive femininity. These terms themselves are what's toxic, not the gender identities of billions of people from thousands of different cultures.
/r/MensRights20/11/18 02:20 PM
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I dunno, toxic femininity isn’t well-defined, because there are no intellectual authorities defining it. I could e given you examples of it prior to reading this article, but I admit, I had never considered the ways in which women blame men for being attracted to their obvious physical/sexual displays as one such example. Seems obvious in retrospect, but there you go. So, I learned something new about TF from it. And personally, I understand the need for extensive clarification in the beginning.…
/r/MensRights20/11/18 01:36 PM
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Let’s just get this out of the way: yes, obviously, men should not be allowed to grope, harass, or rape women. However, it’s been shown time and again that men are more visually stimulated than women. It’s also true that standards for women’s attire has been getting more and more permissive with respect to how revealing it can be, even in professional situations. Last year, I actually had to buy something from a cashier, who was wearing a shirt with a hole in the middle that exposed the full hei…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 01:49 PM
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Yeah, this is why I no longer support them. I used to love the ACLU, because they seemed like a non-partisan organization that just stood up for people’s right to free speech, but lately they’ve exposed themselves as being highly partisan and selective about whose free speech rights they’ll defend. They’re in the same group with the SPLC now in my opinion—political organizations seen as unbiased experts on certain issues, which actually are completely partisan.
/r/MensRights18/11/18 01:47 AM
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Don’t spread it around, but that’s legit the secret best part about being male that we keep under wraps, because it’s so awesome, but we don’t want to be rude and make women jealous. The other day, I peed on my son in front of the firehouse and the firemen all had a good laugh (‘cause of the hose joke, duh). Had to have a father-son chat with him on the way home though, to explain why he shouldn’t tell mommy, because she can only pee in toilets and mounds of leaves. He took it like a man, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 12:42 AM
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Because it employs a No True Scotsman fallacy in order to spare feminists culpability for their bad actors and negative consequences/side effects of their views. It’s a way for the speaker to keep their concept of feminism completely “pure,” which is to say, reinforce their bias for it.
/r/MensRights17/11/18 11:16 AM
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GQ stopped being a men’s magazine a good number of years ago.
/r/MensRights17/11/18 10:06 AM
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Tablet’s Rosenfield argued that the current fixation on affirmative consent promoted by many feminists is in fact ​damaging to the same women the movement seeks to defend. YES! ​ ​ “But if your goal is to protect women at all costs from feeling bad about their choices—because you don’t think they can handle it, and they probably don’t know what they want anyway—then we already have a word for that,” she wrote. “It’s not feminism. It’s paternalism. And it denies women a fundamental if unglamorous…
/r/MensRights17/11/18 08:57 AM
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This will be a very short-lived victory, since it’s just an executive order. We need actual law to settle this matter for the long term.
/r/MensRights17/11/18 08:51 AM
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Curious: why isn’t sexism a sufficient explanation to you? Maybe you’re wondering where that sexism stems from? There are likely a myriad of ways it can develop, but I think a major one is simply seeing a lot of stories in the news about men commuting x crime, and women being the victims. It creates the perception that x crime is particular to men, and people erroneously leap from the observation that “most people who commit x crime are male” to “most men commit x crime,” even if this happens su…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 08:36 AM
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Since I was one of the people who made that suggestion, I’ll respond to clarify, but...does this really deserve a separate post? Couldn’t you have asked for clarification from people in your last one? Whatever. The reason I personally suggested you “get out there” is because you were complaining about low self-esteem. One of the primary factors in the development and maintenance of low self-esteem is failure experiences. Early failure experiences reduce confidence in future success, and if succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 08:18 AM
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Jesus Christ. Hey, where’s that student union president now? Polish people are a minority in the UK. Yeah, he’s a white male, but— [sips coffee] Sorry, what was I saying? Oh, I was talking nonsense, silly me. Really need to save Reddit for after my AM caffeine joint.
/r/MensRights16/11/18 01:34 PM
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LOL, you don’t marry Serena Williams unless you subscribe to all of the social justice bullshit, feminism included.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 07:26 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. What’s their majority in the House now? The Obama policies were controversial enough that a few Democrats might vote in favor of protections against them becoming law (which the Democrat leadership wants to do as soon as it can). But you’re right, Trump should’ve done this when he had control of both houses. Can’t say I’m surprised he didn’t. Was probably too busy tweeting about something to bother.
/r/MensRights16/11/18 04:58 AM
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He’s been a feminist for a bit now. He’s married to Serena Williams. The theory is that he was fine leaving it up until it grew to a certain size and it’s top posts started making it to the front page of r/all regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 02:09 AM
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Fair enough, but it still isn’t that important a factor in the scheme of things. Special cases, yes, but neurotransmitters like serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin and cortisol are far more relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 02:08 AM
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What high-profile cases have you seen it happen with?
/r/MensRights15/11/18 11:30 PM
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Alexis Ohanian is huge feminist. ‘Nuff said. Total bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 11:06 PM
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I dunno, things like.. Where in any of that does it say we can’t talk about this or that men can’t complain about their particular sacrifices? You seem to be holding the status quo. LOL, not even remotely. So men can’t complain at all lest they become competitors in the oppression Olympics, is that it? If you think victimhood comparison is the only way to complain, you lack imagination. Can you elucidate? I’ve tried, but your reading comprehension is so poor it’s not working. I’m ready to give u…
/r/MensRights15/11/18 10:59 PM
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Yeah, and I’ve heard feminists claim women sacrifice more, because pregnancy and labor destroy their bodies or some shit. I don’t fucking care. Everyone is going to have a different opinion, and mine is simply that the differences between men’s and women’s sacrifices have much more to do with quality than quantity. I don’t think there’s utility in comparing them, because it’s like apples and oranges.
/r/MensRights15/11/18 09:43 PM
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My take on your take is that you don’t think men should be able to talk about these things at all. LOL, then your take is delusional. Where did I ever say that? I said I saw no utility in comparing victimhood—a stance I try to hold to consistently. I object when feminists do it, and I don’t like to see MRAs falling into that trap either. It gets us nowhere, and just makes women feel attacked.
/r/MensRights15/11/18 09:40 PM
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the girls who hated me put the boys up to what they did. Also a pretty common teen girl tactic as I recall, but mainly when they want to pick on a boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 09:35 PM
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The outlet reporting the allegation said a woman claiming to be his wife reported it to them, and his wife just publicly denied it through her lawyer. How is that not clearly a false allegation?
/r/MensRights15/11/18 09:34 PM
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Alright, I don't even know what we're arguing about. Yes, obviously, if you hold all other factors the same, and simply decrease testosterone level, it will have an effect on mood. But in comparison to other factors, it just isn't that relevant. I don't doubt that men with severely low testosterone likely benefit from having that treated with respect to depression, but the likelihood for most depressed men that other factors are far more important is extremely high. So, yeah, worth getting check…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 05:36 PM
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I’m aware of that research, but no practitioner or researcher feels it’s anywhere close to the main factor, even with respect to those specific symptoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 05:06 PM
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No, he’s a feminist stooge for what he’s written about being a good male feminist and calling on all men to police the minority of male abusers out there.
/r/MensRights15/11/18 05:05 PM
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Seriously. I don’t know where the evidence is that even depression in men is primarily a result of low testosterone. It just isn’t. Plenty of men with low testosterone are not depressed, and plenty of men with high levels are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 01:12 PM
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Can’t have facts fucking up the narrative.
/r/MensRights15/11/18 06:20 AM
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It’s pretty clearly false, but I’m glad he’s getting a taste. What a fucking stooge.
/r/MensRights15/11/18 06:18 AM
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Yeah. I was bullied a lot as a kid, mainly by other boys, but by some girls too. However, in middle school and high school, I got to witness girl-on-girl bullying, and dear God was I intimidated by that. Girls are fucking vicious, far more abusive than boys at that age, at least in terms of doing lasting damage. Boys beat each other up, but girls isolate each other, gang up, and destroy each other’s social lives. Far worse, no question. I was very mindful not to get a girl’s bad side in high sch…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 06:16 AM
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And no charges against her, what a surprise. Comparatively rare though they may be, we do not have a system that punishes false accusations. It’s a crime women are free to commit; if they get caught, no biggie.
/r/MensRights15/11/18 05:58 AM
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They should focus on passing a law. Executive orders like this will be overturned as soon as Trump is out an a Democrat is in. The Dems are going to try to make Obama’s guidelines law. Trump and DeVos should beat them to the punch.
/r/MensRights15/11/18 05:47 AM
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Ah, so you missed the shitty years. Seriously, I barely dated prior to my senior year in college and didn’t have my first real girlfriend until then, much less have sex. Your 20’s are your prime, and your 30’s aren’t bad either. You missed the training period, and you’ll catch up just fine. Get out there are start dating and hooking up. You need to prove to yourself that your low self-esteem is no longer valid, if it even ever was. Besides, looks tend to not be the most important thing to most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 05:24 AM
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No, that’s true, but women are saddled with other expectations, like being nurturing, patient, caring, etc. taking care of children is still something women are expected to do, even if they also have various biological factors driving them to do it. It’s really not a competition. I get tired of hearing feminists whine about women’s unrecognized sacrifices, when men have just as many that are taken for granted. I have no interest in any reversed argument that men sacrifice more though. The sacrif…
/r/MensRights15/11/18 03:18 AM
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No I can’t agree with this. If men weren’t willing to risk their lives to kill the tiger, the human species wouldn’t exist. I was referring to average empathy scores between men and women. That’s what doesn’t really matter. No I can’t agree with that either. Thousands upon thousands of Youtube videos show the same thing: men saving women and children. I’m not sure what your point is here, to be honest. Yes, men sacrifice their physical safety and lives more than women. This is a great counterpoi…
/r/MensRights15/11/18 03:14 AM
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Ugh...Mark Hamill, I expected more of you....
/r/MensRights14/11/18 10:44 PM
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Empathy is what you described in your OP about accurately reading and understanding the emotions and thoughts of others, based on context and behavioral cues. Being willing to sacrifice your physical safety for that of others is a form of bravery, but it doesn’t have a specific term in psychology. It’s probably related to altruism, impulsivity, and risk-taking though. Anyway, none of this detracts from your argument that women don’t understand men. That women are more empathic on average does no…
/r/MensRights14/11/18 10:38 PM
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Yes, the research shows that on average women are more empathic than men. On average. They’re not confusing it with agreeableness, they know the difference quite well because they defined the terms.
/r/MensRights14/11/18 10:27 PM
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TRP is nearly as sexist towards men as feminism is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:20 PM
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Probably because this is just more evidence for a fact most people here already know—that women are far and away the more frequent initiators of mono-directional domestic violence.
/r/MensRights13/11/18 10:07 PM
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Doesn’t fit the narrative.
/r/MensRights13/11/18 09:56 PM
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Wow. That’s surreal, when it plays out so obviously in front of you like that.
/r/MensRights09/11/18 10:17 PM
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So, wait, you're complaining about how TRP says AWALT by making a lame AMALT argument? I'm sorry, but I'm going to break a CMV rule here and argue that you're making this post in bad faith. This isn't a CMV, it's a "how does it feel!?!" post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 02:24 PM
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Ha! Not a secret anymore! Stupid Sith. Fisto! Keep him occupied while I tell the news!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 01:45 PM
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As someone who thinks TRP is generally a huge crock’o’shit, I have to disagree. Despite being stupid in many ways, RP “philosophy” (LOL!) nonetheless contains some healthy advice for insecure people, and even some of its bad advice is only bad, because of how it’s typically delivered. If there wasn’t so much anger towards women among so many TRPers, it might even be arguable that the core ideas themselves aren’t actually misogynistic, and that may explain the extent to which it’s gained a surpri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 01:29 PM
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I’m glad this population is getting any positive attention whatsoever, but notice how there was absolutely nothing in that article about whether or not we need to change how any of this shit works. “Aw, poor dads, you really do suffer sometimes.” “...” “Ah, well.”
/r/MensRights07/11/18 10:20 PM
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Absolutely. If you don't punish people for this type of behavior, it sends the message to both them and the rest of society that it's 'safe' to make false accusations, and that will definitely increase their likelihood of occurring. Any feminist who worries about punishing false accusers making it harder for real victims to come forward should think about the rarity of false accusations and ask themselves if they don't think letting them go publicly revealed and unpunished won't make them more c…
/r/MensRights07/11/18 05:34 PM
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I have no idea whether they have any legal grounds for this suit (seems sketchy at best to me), but what this is really about is simply the fact that BSA started accepting girls, which GSA worries will cut down on its numbers, because they won't be the "girls' alternative to boy scouts" anymore. This is just an girls' organization trying to remain relevant after (ironically) the analogous boys' organization caved to feminist pressures to go co-ed. Guess those feminists didn't check with GSA befo…
/r/MensRights07/11/18 05:30 PM
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Can you source any of these claims? If you’re seriously having a hard time looking up this study and it’s criticisms, I’ll provide links, but I think it’s rather (in)famous. I’m also unaware that the CDC study included consensual grinding on a dance floor. I thought I explained this. They didn’t explicitly say grinding was an offense, but including “unwanted sexual contact” among their claims that were only approved by study-approved readers made me wonder, definitely. I wouldn’t be surprised if…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 05:32 AM
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I won’t speak for women, since I’m not one, but I’d frankly be shocked if most didn’t agree it was at least partially sexual. I think the disconnect is that men construe a woman grinding with them as interest in them sexually, whereas I can see most women simply enjoying the attention and not realizing the guy is taking it as a green light for more sexually explicit stuff. Speaking of grinding though, that’s an example of one of the activities that the 2012 CDC study—the one that found 20% of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 09:34 PM
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financially ready to take on that responsibility 100% alone i would have it. Bless you, child.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 08:26 PM
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The projection is strong with this one....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 06:22 AM
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The man’s wife, 44, said: “We’ve gone from being a happy family, living a busy but pretty ordinary life to suddenly being blown apart because my husband has mental health issues. “He has been forced out of our home after a social worker reported that PTSD was an ‘unknown quantity’. So now he’s living in a tent in the Mournes just trying to survive. Jesus Christ. That social worker is on a crusade. She needs to have her license revoked and be immediately fired by CPS. There are too many of these …
/r/MensRights31/10/18 11:48 PM
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“I want to be able to bully people, but I don’t want people to call it bullying or act like it’s bullying.” You mean like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 04:58 PM
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Watch your tone, man. I just attested to my experience, not reality. I made no objective claims, and I was quite clear about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 12:19 AM
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I’m not sure I really share that impression; I know more women living with their parents than men. However, if you’re right, and my experience isn’t the norm, there may be several reasons for it: 1.) Men are expected to solve their own problems, whereas women are cared for and given support. Ergo, women may be getting more help from people they know and society, whereas more men may be being told “get your act together, you lazy bum,” and spiraling further downward. 2.) Women in some sectors of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 05:21 PM
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I have legitimately wondered if women’s attraction to penises is entirely socialized.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 09:15 PM
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Wow, great looking site! Thanks for the link; I'll definitely be watching.
/r/MensRights29/10/18 02:04 PM
1

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 10:44 AM
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agrees with feminism On a lot of things, yes, but they’re rarely ever talked about with any sort of respect for feminists. This sub and the MRM in general is highly feminist-critical, if not fully anti-feminist. Yes, the “feminism is cancer” folks aren’t the majority, but they’re not a tiny minority either. In the time I’ve been here, the community has seemed to improve as its grown, so maybe you’re right, and once we hit 300k subscribers, we’ll be more palatable to the admins.
/r/MensRights29/10/18 06:18 AM
2

Holy shit, I read “Kylie Minogue” at first and nearly plotzed.
/r/MensRights28/10/18 11:15 PM
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They are trying so hard to fight a losing battle What battle are they “losing?” It’s not a battle; Reddit admins can ban or quarantine any sub they like. We have no power to stop them.
/r/MensRights28/10/18 04:39 PM
2

To be fair, saying short skirts put men in an awkward situation akin to #metoo is pretty ridiculous.
/r/MensRights28/10/18 03:12 PM
1

Who removed your post?
/r/MensRights28/10/18 03:10 PM
2

Mods, can we get this stickied?
/r/MensRights28/10/18 03:06 PM
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I’m not trying to. I’m just saying two wrongs don’t make a right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 03:04 PM
2

No, because the police, prosecutors, and courts (including juries) share some of the blame for false convictions. Generally, I think 1-5 years is a good sentencing range for making a false accusation. However, while I don’t support the notion of sex offender registries, if we’re going to have them, I feel convicted false accusers should be added to them.
/r/MensRights28/10/18 03:03 PM
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I acknowledged that, but with the Left controlling so much of the tech sector and media, deplatforming has a net effect across society. That’s a big problem, and I think our present laws fail to address it. I’m not sure what the solution is, but if none is found, this will lead to very bad outcomes in the future.
/r/MensRights28/10/18 02:57 PM
5

It absolutely is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 02:54 PM
1

You’re having what some MRAs call your “Red Pill moment.” Welcome to the community. You’re at the tip of the ice berg. I would recommend checking the sidebar for summaries about men’s issues and our stances on them.
/r/MensRights28/10/18 02:53 PM
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My edit apparently didn’t make it, so I’ll retype it here. No one said women lacked reproductive rights before the advent of abortion. Now, it’s considered a human right for them. The analogous right for men would be LPS laws, which do not exist anywhere that I know of. It’s not about men being forced to copulate. Women who lack access to abortion aren’t forced to copulate. It’s about being forced to reproduce, and plenty of men are being forced to do that. LPS laws don’t prevent it, but they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 02:44 PM
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I know you don’t. And it doesn’t make you right or them wrong—it just means you’re part of the problem in communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 02:24 PM
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As I said, they don’t realize they are their own worst enemy. Your failure to empathize doesn’t make you right, it just makes you opinionated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 02:17 PM
0

That’s a pretty good argument for ending welfare and publicly-funded healthcare. If that’s your position, then it sounds like you’re an arch-conservative or libertarian. I don’t think there’s a modernized country in the world you’d be happy living in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 01:41 PM
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Do you also feel you shouldn’t have to pay for the medical care of smokers and drug users? You will always be paying for other people’s bad choices, in any society that has anything like welfare or publicly-funded healthcare. The argument for LPS laws is that it’s fairer for taxpayers to collectively share the economic burden of a welfare mom’s bad choices than the individual men whose preferences they ignore. It’s about reproductive rights, and the fact that men have none.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 07:12 AM
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My use of the adjective wasn’t intended to suggest otherwise. I just meant “the state of things today.”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 08:42 PM
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No, it’s not. Placing the burden on taxpayers makes this a societal problem, which can spur better sex education and cultural changes towards more responsible sex. Forcing individual men to pay for children they never wanted just forces men to have less sex. The same argument, when applied to women, is just to make abortion illegal, and force them to endure the consequences of accidental pregnancies. So, if you’re for forcing men to pay for children they never wanted, I hope you’re for forcing w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 07:14 PM
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Because our modern mores say that men are responsible for the consequences of their choices to have sex, whether or not they use a condom and a pregnancy happens accidentally, etc. Abortion is afforded to women under the argument that they shouldn’t have to go through pregnancy and labor unwillingly. 21 years of child support is not regarded as a similarly horrible experience. I am 100% for both abortion and paternal surrender. I think women should be allowed to choose whether or not to turn a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 07:09 PM
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All feminists are radfems today by 1970’s standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 04:15 AM
1

LOL, scientists actually think we contracted the strain by sleeping in gorilla “camps” as early humans, rather than butt-fucking gorillas.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 04:12 AM
4

But sex dolls objectify women.
/r/MensRights27/10/18 12:20 AM
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What? No way! “Pals” contains a ‘pa,’ so it supports the patriarchy, and peeps is a racist slur against marshmallows. Damn hypocritical feminists!
/r/MensRights27/10/18 12:19 AM
1

Fun fact about humans and gorillas, since you mentioned them. Most species of mammals have a specific species of lice dedicated to them and only them. Humans, however, have two: one that infests our head hair, and another that infests our pubes (“crabs”). Our head lice descended from other breeds of lice that infested us and other apes. But our pubic lice? They descended very immediately, suddenly, and directly...from the strain of lice that infests gorillas. https://www.newscientist.com/article…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 12:06 AM
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Yeah, but I agree that the connection between that legitimate point and male chicken mastication is pretty tenuous. We don’t afford animals the same rights as human beings.
/r/MensRights26/10/18 10:54 PM
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Right there with you, brother! https://i.imgur.com/R3bAhDA.jpg
/r/MensRights26/10/18 10:39 PM
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Because it’s misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 10:26 PM
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Because it’s misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 10:26 PM
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I agree. I wonder if men are capable of this. They are. I've seen them do it. It's just not the norm. Men these days are looking to women specifically for emotional reassurance. Women that refuse, or can't be available whenever they need them for any reason, leave men feeling abandoned. I think that's the core of TRP. It's not really emotional reassurance men tend to seek from women. What they're looking for is a person they can replay their relationship with their mother with. And women seek th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 04:50 PM
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Or how's about the term "internalized misandry" or just "misandry?" That's what feminists call women being pressured to adhere to their gender role, so why not just use the analogous term? The problem with "toxic masculinity" is that masculinity doesn't just refer to a gender role, but a gender identity. So the term implies that the problem lies in masculinity itself, which makes it sound like a person's gender identity is being attacked. Compare that to the term "internalized sexism/misandry" a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 04:11 PM
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Men need help but feel like they can't ask for it Mrm...more like don't want to ask for it or admit they need help and can't solve their own problems on their own. So, they don't ask for help, and things get worse, etc. Personally, if I were implementing some sort of educational intervention in boys/men or some campaign to change how men think about asking for help, I'd recast it as a form of self-improvement. So, instead of asking for someone to swoop in and save you, you seek experts and profe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 03:58 PM
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The military police is corrupt in some places (mainly big cities where the criminals can pay outrageous bribes). Well, I was talking about ordinary police. I know it’s not just criminals bribing them, because I know someone who goes there regularly (Rio) and he says police often extort bribes from people for things like the return of stolen or confiscated goods, etc. He actually had to bribe some police and an airport official just to get them to let him transport his mother’s dead body home to …
/r/MensRights26/10/18 12:24 PM
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I believe some states have laws against filing false reports to police, but the charges are usually misdemeanors.
/r/MensRights26/10/18 08:52 AM
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If you win joint custody and have a part in your daughter’s life, your entire savings account will have been worth it. If you go the cheap route and don’t get to be the father you want to be, you’ll likely regret it for the rest of your life. Money is no object here. Shell out for a lawyer, and make it a good one. Oh, and if it’s legal in your state, record all future interactions with the mother. If she’s as much of a liar as you say she is, there’s a decent chance she’ll accuse you of DV or so…
/r/MensRights26/10/18 08:44 AM
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Seems overall designed to find a correlation between Conservatism and anti-feminism. Also many of the questions seem designed specifically to allow the authors (you) to draw specious conclusions. Just went through the questions myself (without answering) and I totally agree. It’s not even remotely trying for any sort of balance that could reveal interesting nuances in the data, and skewed questionnaires like this have been known to tip off the respondents, which then affects their answers. Reall…
/r/MensRights26/10/18 08:35 AM
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LOL, imagine having to bear a scar like that, which your entire country knows you did to yourself in some lame attempt at political slander, for the rest of your life. On the other hand, Brazilian police are notoriously corrupt. Not sure I entirely buy the conclusions myself.
/r/MensRights26/10/18 07:56 AM
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National Socialists were left wing? If most left wingers act like national socialists, then that will change people’s perceptions of what “left wing” means towards something resembling national socialism. The DPRK is a democracy? If most democracies operated like the DPRK, then democracy begins to resemble the DPRK in most people’s minds. The alt right are actually moderate centrists? If most moderate centrists act like the alt-right, then people begin to associate alt-right behavior with modera…
/r/MensRights26/10/18 06:59 AM
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If the OP’s comment is accurate—that it’s from The 21 Convention—then it would appear to be some Red Pill bullshit: http://www.the21convention.com/video/
/r/MensRights26/10/18 06:49 AM
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I don’t agree we do that. Men are raised to solve their own problems, rather than ask for help, and that makes whining about one’s problems incessantly seem unmanly, but not singular expressions of frustration, vulnerability, sadness, fear, etc. I work with men in therapy and they have absolutely no problem expressing “weak” emotions. And these are largely poor Black and Hispanic men—two of the most traditionally raised male groups in the U.S. There are men out there who have difficulty expressi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 06:46 AM
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Alright, last chance: either quote the text and make an actual argument or STFU. Just a hint: you might start with the bit I quoted, which literally says what I claim, not what you claim.
/r/MensRights26/10/18 06:20 AM
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Yeah this seems like an incredibly biased list/comparison. Biased on our side, but still.
/r/MensRights26/10/18 05:51 AM
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You fucking moron, I quoted the relevant text. If you think it supports your claim instead of mine, point to the fucking text!
/r/MensRights26/10/18 04:26 AM
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I see you didn’t respond to my sourced proof that you were making false claims about the data. Tell me, why should I—the “idiot” who proved you wrong—trust you to educate people about these issues, when you’re demonstrably getting the data wrong and evincing bias?
/r/MensRights26/10/18 12:25 AM
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Wrong. The 2-10% rate represents allegations that were proven false, whether through admission of a lie or evidence that proved the accusation was a lie—it does not reflect accusations that simply lacked supporting evidence. https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf Relevant text: False report A false report is a reported crime to a law enforcement agency that an investigation factually proves never occurred. Baseless report A baseless report is on…
/r/MensRights25/10/18 11:22 PM
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Yes, and you cited the lowest rate reported. The most widely supported rate is somewhere between 2-10%, but that number only represents cases reported to the police that were proven to be lies. In other words, it’s the most conservative estimate. The true number is undoubtedly higher.
/r/MensRights25/10/18 08:59 PM
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LOL, those are the only two possibilities, huh? Well, I guess you’ve got me figured out one way or another. So long, have a nice day.
/r/MensRights25/10/18 08:58 PM
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Only 6% of rape accusations are true. Go troll somewhere else, cunt.
/r/MensRights25/10/18 10:20 AM
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Either make an argument or admit you’re a fucking moron.
/r/MensRights25/10/18 03:10 AM
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If that norm is found out to be unhelpful, harmful to yourself or others But they by and large aren’t. I can’t think of a single gender norm that exists today in Western society that is consistently harmful to anyone. Name one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 10:52 PM
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I very much disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 10:18 PM
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Are you a white man? Case closed, your opinion is privileged, biased, and irrelevant. Ignoring you is pragmatic and legal.
/r/MensRights24/10/18 10:17 PM
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Women aren’t the problem. Feminists are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 10:13 PM
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I think you and I have very different ideas about why constitutes a “negative message.” I don’t consider gender norms a negative message. To the extent that society enforces them, that can have negative effects, but they aren’t inherently negative themselves. They’re just norms. So, if you simply replace “negative message” with “gender norm” in your post, we have no real disagreement. Part of this is due to the fact that feminists have labeled male gender norms “toxic masculinity,” which is prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 09:52 PM
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No, they call themselves progressives and think they’re acting progressively, and that contributes to the societal understanding of what progressivism is. You telling progressives they’re actually conservatives is like feminists telling anyone who believes in equality of the sexes that they’re a feminist. Don’t do that.
/r/MensRights24/10/18 09:46 PM
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Feminism created a new kind of misogyny and made misandry vogue. For an anti-sexism movement, it’s actually amazingly sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 09:16 PM
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What’s the “harmful message of masculinity” you’re presuming exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 09:12 PM
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Progressives are the ones doing it, so this is the new progressivism. I never said it made sense.
/r/MensRights24/10/18 08:45 PM
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How is my comment in any way an example of that?
/r/MensRights24/10/18 08:44 PM
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The people enacting it call themselves progressives and this sort of thing is parroted by most progressives today; ergo, this is what progressivism has become.
/r/MensRights24/10/18 07:30 PM
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How is that in any way an example of begging the question?
/r/MensRights24/10/18 07:27 PM
1

How is that in any way an example of begging the question?
/r/MensRights24/10/18 07:27 PM
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Wendy McElroy, speaking truth to power once again. Love that woman!
/r/MensRights24/10/18 02:41 PM
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Didn't you know? Women take different paths to crime than men. Men turn to crime because we're innately bad and it's a way of enforcing patriarchy; women turn to crime, because they're abused and manipulated into it by men. /s
/r/MensRights24/10/18 02:37 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/summaryreports.html
/r/MensRights24/10/18 02:33 PM
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If you want to devote yourself to being a Wikipedia sentinel, go ahead. I agree that if no one does it, it will remain as is, but thus far no one has been willing to take up the mantle. Besides, the way it keeps going back to exactly what it was before suggests Wikipedia's own editors are simply rolling back the edits to a previous version of the page, which probably takes them all but a few clicks. Again, if you want to fight the power on this one, go right ahead, but it will probably mean chec…
/r/MensRights24/10/18 02:08 PM
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I don't know how much more blatantly sexist you can get, when you claim that there should be representatives for women and trans people, but creating the exact same thing for men is sexist. You literally are against equal representation there. So fucking sad that this is what progressivism has become. What a shame.
/r/MensRights24/10/18 01:56 PM
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It's been tried several times. Feminists just change it back within a few hours/days. Pretty sure the Wikipedia editors are feminists.
/r/MensRights24/10/18 01:50 PM
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Not at all. It’s become the de facto term for women being cunts in stereotypical ways for women to be cunts. MRAs use it all the time. The problem is that we don’t like that we’re using it, because we don’t agree that labeling gender identities “toxic” in a bid to fight gender norms is helpful. We would much rather use the neutral term “internalized sexism,” and some of us (raises hand) do, but we feel the need to fight back against sexist terms feminists employ to lampoon how sexist they are. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:26 AM
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Trans rights are men’s rights? Are you sure? They are in the sense that trans men are subject to many of the same sociocultural problems that men are, yes. Who, Emma Watson? Surely you jest. I think they meant trans men. “They” is not the proper pronoun for Emma Watson (pun not intended; acknowledged and enjoyed, but not intended). except possibly trans-men, who are really women Ah, there’s your problem. You don’t get that, just because they were born female, once they transition completely, the…
/r/MensRights23/10/18 11:02 PM
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The author makes the same mistake everyone complaining about talk of false accusations makes: she dismisses it as so uncommon that anyone who worries about it even slightly is a pathetic, likely misogynist loser. Feminists don’t want to have a conversation about this. Men’s feelings aren’t valid unless feminists approve of them. This is just more feminist misandry.
/r/MensRights23/10/18 10:50 PM
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No comment on whether or not she will be charged with making a false accusation, I see. Par for the course. No punishment for false accusers, because what about all the real victims who won’t be able to distinguish between a malicious, lying cunt being punished for an actual crime and a real victim being punished for reporting it. Our society is fucking retarded.
/r/MensRights23/10/18 10:32 PM
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That’s how you prove your point is correct: punish and silence anyone who disagrees. This is the nature of feminist “dialogues.”
/r/MensRights23/10/18 10:25 PM
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Yeah, this is my opinion, but I actually think the Judge should have ruled the other way. She had pictures o the messages coming from his account. Any reasonable person would have assumed he sent them, so she shouldn’t have to pay a dime, even if his story is true. However, in cases where there is only an allegation and no supporting evidence, then yes, people making these allegations should be susceptible to a libel lawsuit.
/r/MensRights23/10/18 10:23 PM
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“Some bad men did some bad things, and happened to enjoy some things all men enjoy, so clearly we need to take that thing away from all men, because we don’t know if it will turn them bad.” I vote that women not be allowed to use kitchen knives without male supervision, as some women have used them to cut off men’s penises.
/r/MensRights23/10/18 10:14 PM
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Do you agree that women receive a message of inferiority? No, not these days, in Western nations. Tribeswomen in the Congo? Maybe, idk. But in America, Europe and Australia? LOL, no, not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 09:21 PM
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Amazingly a study of alleged roofie cases reported in one year in the UK found that not only were the majority false, 100 PERCENT were false. Would love to see the study, and what the n was. Another study in a German city (forget which) found that, indeed, the majority of accusations in a given year were false. Maybe the police there are “asinine.” Again, would love to see the study, because I’m betting you’re misrepresenting it or the conclusions you can draw from it. Dude, find solid proof tha…
/r/MensRights19/10/18 09:56 PM
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I think feminists muddied the waters in expanding the definitions of rape, sexual assault, and harassment, and using phrases like “believe all women.” By using absolutes and bad definitions, they eroded public comprehension of the issues being discussed and public trust in themselves as thought leaders on these matters. That, combined with cases like Al Franken and Louis C.K., in which it’s debatable they actually did anything wrong, got some people scared they could be next for something they t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:48 PM
1

If false accusations really outnumbered true ones, that would be the only crime for which that had ever been the case—completely unprecedented. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and making the former without providing the latter is absolutely asinine.
/r/MensRights19/10/18 08:37 PM
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I'm aware of the numbers you're citing, and while I certainly agree the 2-10% estimate of the prevalence of false accusations is low, and that it's a good point to point out that only 6% of accusations are proven true, I do think it's somewhat asinine to seriously suggest that the majority of accusations are false (which I'm not saying you did, but still). My attitude is that none of that actually matters. 2-10% is still perfectly prevalent enough to be considered a serious problem in society, r…
/r/MensRights19/10/18 01:56 PM
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Yeah, me too. Lots of closed minds that range from hostile to condescendingly placative. Very few agree without provisos or qualifiers, like “because it hurts real victims” or “but rape is a much bigger problem.”
/r/MensRights19/10/18 12:26 PM
1

The obvious criticism from feminists here would be that the problem the poster cites and then softly chides all women for being responsible for is so rare that it needs no such campaign. Well, would they have a problem with an ad about treatment for schizophrenia? Less than 2% of the population suffers from it, so we need not worry about it, much less strive to do anything, right? Also, the obvious NAWALT, which would be totally solid criticism—if it wasn’t completely hypocritical.
/r/MensRights19/10/18 12:22 PM
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Unbelievable. It’s almost too perfect an example of the stereotypical false accusation. Completely clear-cut case, and zero punishment for the girls. And feminists claim misandry isn’t real and pervasive.
/r/MensRights19/10/18 02:21 AM
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And her? Once they established nothing happened, was she charged with filing a false police report? Pretty sure I know the answer already.... And this as the UK is considering whether or not misandry should be considered a hate crime. Someone forward this vid to the relevant authorities.
/r/MensRights18/10/18 09:53 PM
5

Is there an actual article?
/r/MensRights18/10/18 09:41 PM
1

Why are you convinced they get pleasure out of thinking they’re stoking insecurities whenever they mention these topics? Do you think feminists are secretly getting pleasure out of men objecting angrily when they talk about toxic masculinity? I don’t agree with TRP, but I see no reason to assume they don’t simply believe their worldview is accurate, and instead posit malicious intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 04:48 PM
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I think this can best be explained by the fact that #metoo happened during a time when feminists have successfully expanded the definitions of rape, sexual assault, and harassment to scopes that are ludicrously loose. If every #metoo claim that hit the mainstream media had been an obvious example of those things, it would have had the desired effect. But when you had allegations like the ones made against Al Franken and Aziz Ansari, people watching started becoming confused about what constitute…
/r/MensRights18/10/18 12:46 PM
1

You don’t make it sound appealing at all. I don’t want my coworkers to be these hyper-broey idiots, and I prefer work that stimulates my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 09:16 PM
2

wears clothes. No woman is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 04:09 AM
3

u/beachredwhine is the whitest knight.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 09:48 AM
2

the whole or RP is misandrist. Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 03:47 AM
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A woman’s ability to increase her SMV is limited. Men don’t value her accomplishments, refinement or athleticism so providing she does the bare minimum of not getting fat and being pleasant, there isn’t anything else she can do to radically increase her SMV, she’s stuck with what fate gave her. You have a pretty misandrist view of men to say they don’t value anything other than looks in a woman. Oh, and the “bare minimum” for women also involves not being a cunt. Personality takes maintenance to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:40 PM
0

I’m aware you have questionable views on matters related to therapy. You have no idea what you’re talking about, so don’t fucking talk to me about what you know about therapy. If you have the expertise you claim, I cannot fathom how you would advocate for removal of children from a stable home because of a lie. No, you can’t, because you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. You don’t understand what a lie like that does to kids, because you’ve never dealt with these kids in a real way…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:15 AM
1

Are you aware I’m a therapist who has worked closely with CPS and has seen the damage paternity fraud can do to families—children included? You’re not the only person with an informed opinion on this matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:34 PM
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No, paternity fraud can be addressed anytime we like, and such lies absolutely do harm children. You’re just plain wrong on those two points.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:43 PM
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We could obviously do a much better job of handling these sorts of matters, and maybe foster care isn’t the solution, but neither is leaving the kid with a parent they feel betrayed by and washing out hands of it completely. That just sends the message to the kid that society doesn’t care about what happened to them. All I said was that it should be handled no differently than any other case involving emotional abuse. Good or bad, we have systems and standards for this stuff, and this thread isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:13 PM
1

Potentially, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:07 PM
2

So, wait, if I say “I’m having trouble coping with X” or “I just can’t cope with X” outside of this thread, my comment will be deleted? I don’t think I can cope with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 02:14 AM
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AFAIK, in the U.S., the only cases have been ones in which non-bio dads have simply gotten themselves relieved of future CS responsibilities, but nothing like what I’m talking about. There is no legal mechanism by which mothers who commit paternity fraud get punished for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 02:04 AM
2

I’m not sure I understand your question. Can you explain it or rephrase it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 11:16 PM
1

I responded to your other comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 11:15 PM
1

They often are, but the point is that the laws aren’t. Fixing bias in family courts is different from fixing unfairness in family law.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 11:15 PM
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It should be handled the same way any custody situation involving emotional abuse is concerned. The duped father should be first choice, assuming he still wants custody, and if not him, another family member, foster home, etc. Also, I’m not against the lying mother having custody, I just think such lies do real harm to children, and that needs to be taken into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 11:13 PM
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The family needs to be preserved at all costs. No, definitely not at all costs. Also, the law does punish a man for cheating, in case his wife decides to take him to divorce court. But the reverse also works. If a wife cheats and the husband divorces her, she is likely to get much less or nothing, because she caused the divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 10:06 PM
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That’s a different argument though. And the government doesn’t punish cheating men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:57 PM
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No, at least not to the same extent. Manslaughter isn’t punished the same as murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:51 PM
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Woman has lots of unprotected sex with her boyfriend, but cheats once with some other guy, but has him use a condom. When she finds out she’s pregnant, she thinks it must be the boyfriend’s, but in reality the condom tore a little, and it’s actually the other guy’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:41 PM
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You can’t, but you can just be mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:32 PM
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Yes, it would, and I’m for that, but I still think the above should take place for cases of fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:32 PM
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The point about emotional abuse being taken into account wasn’t to say that all mothers guilty of paternity fraud should automatically have custody revoked. Custody decisions are about what’s best for the child, and they should remain that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:59 PM
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Inappropriate responses to CMV posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:46 PM
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No, it definitely could be, because it has been. And in civil and family courts, the standard of evidence is preponderance, meaning more likely than not (>50%). Plenty of room for conviction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:34 PM
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I honestly don’t know, but I’m fairly sure the National Coalition for Men would take up the cause, and I donate to them. I’m done responding to this garbage thread of yours. Every ridiculous comment you’ve made here has been reported.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:32 PM
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where are the MRAs doing this? Look up said activism on Google. You’re presumably of adult age, even if not of adult maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:22 PM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:21 PM
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I donate to relevant groups and try to change other people’s minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:18 PM
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I never said proving it was easy, and in cases wherein it can’t be proven (like rape), it shouldn’t be punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:17 PM
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are you doing this as an MRA? what does the A in mra stand for? Advocacy or activism. This is advocacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:15 PM
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Men are not an advocacy group, and men don’t fight for “men’s rights” because “Men” as a group dont’ care about “men’s rights”. That should change.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:14 PM
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How is that relevant to the opinion being expressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:05 PM
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It’s not every day; it’s every time I’m in a crowd or a darker room. Think a music event, any time alcohol is served, a bar or club, a dance, political events and speeches, crowded streets or transportation, etc. Yeah, even every instance of that I find hard to believe you get groped every time. Look, I don’t want to make it seem like I doubt that women get groped in these sorts of situations; I just think your “every time” claim is hard to swallow. Yeah the pay gap comes from toxic femininity, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 04:41 PM
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Nah, shorter men still approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 06:42 AM
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Men always have to work harder in dating. Tall women are still approached, while short men are expected to approach, even if they’re going to be rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 06:33 AM
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It pisses me off that the interview never touched on the question of whether or not the women committing paternity fraud should be punished for their actions. In my view, while they shouldn’t be criminally liable, they should be civilly liable. Duped fathers should be able to sue the women who duped them into caring and providing for children that weren’t theirs, such that said women should have to pay them a calculated total of all the money they spent on the child for the duration of the lie, …
/r/MensRights13/10/18 01:37 AM
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The National Organization of Women. They regularly oppose any progress on men’s rights, particular with respect to equal share in parenting. The Feminist Majority Foundation also does this. Also, every feminist group on college campuses, which protest whenever a men’s rights group tries to get a foothold on a college campus. If you want an actual name, Jess Phillips, a feminist MP in the U.K., who laughed at and opposed parliament even discussing men’s issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 12:16 AM
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That’s bullshit. This sub discusses feminism all the time. WTF is the meaning of this? It’s seems entirely selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 12:14 AM
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They’re ignoring the fact that a gender norm is at the heart of it: women are considered fragile and thus protected from violence to a certain extent (it obviously still occurs, and feminists blame all men for it, but the fact of the matter is that women are also spared violence in many contexts). But feminists aren’t interested in acknowledging that sexism affects men too. They claim it does, but any time resolving it would disadvantage women, they refuse to acknowledge it.
/r/MensRights12/10/18 10:38 PM
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More misandry endorsed by WaPo. A shame, but not a surprise.
/r/MensRights12/10/18 10:22 PM
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Same here. Either gender-exclusive clubs are okay for both genders or none, but favoring one and not the other is patently sexist. Yay, feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 10:17 PM
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If you want a good primer on men’s issues, The Red Pill documentary is a good watch. An please don’t get soured on the men’s rights movement or this sub, just because you’re being attacked by a few assholes here. Some MRAs have been fighting a losing battle for decades an they’re profoundly pessimistic about future prospects. Frustration and anger can turn anyone sour after a time, so just ignore them and focus on interacting with the people here with positive attitudes.
/r/MensRights12/10/18 10:16 PM
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My parents are the same way, and any discussion I’ve had with them about it has turned into a fight. I’ve made the decision to not try to change their attitudes anymore, and just told them I think they’re sexist. It’s not worth ruining my relationships with them, since they’re unlikely to change their minds. I already showed them plenty of facts, but they just dismissed them as irrelevant. So, my advice would be to leave it alone and focus on changing open minds. Closed ones are a waste of time.
/r/MensRights12/10/18 10:06 PM
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It’s a term feminists use to disguise their desire to change culture to mold men more to feminist desires as an attempt to help men. It’s also used to lay many social ills at the feet of men, such as rape, mass murder, racism, and crime in general. So basically it’s just their newest tool for criticizing men as a gender—something they call sexist when done to women.
/r/MensRights12/10/18 10:03 PM
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Feminism is based on the notion that men are privileged and women are oppressed, so in their view, men don’t need any male-exclusive services, and any that exist are examples of patriarchy. Feminist theory is a closed loop: completely unprovable or disprovable. It’s like a religion that way, and so it’s not surprising at all that it’s gotten increasingly radical and fanatical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:54 PM
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Alright, man, I don’t agree with your reasoning and I don’t think it’s a good thing to encourage men to babe paranoid about false accusations. Mindful, perhaps, but not paranoid. Anyway, I’m sick of arguing with you about it.
/r/MensRights12/10/18 09:43 PM
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Feminists used to want equality, but lately they've been explicitly clear that they no longer do. What they want is equity, meaning they want equal outcomes, rather than equal treatment. The iconic image representing this concept is of three children by a fence, one tall, one medium-height, and one short. The tall one is the only one who can see over the fence, but in the next panel, the medium-height kid is standing on a box, and the short kid is standing on a taller box, allowing all of them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:03 PM
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And how many men were not officially accused? Do you think the number is less than or more than half of all men? If less, then I don't understand why you need proof of something you already believe. And further, stats at best tell you something about a group, they tell you nothing about a group member. No matter what the odds (and they can't be calculated due to a lack of data), the OP still might face a false rape or harassment accusation. Wrong, stats about a group give you a good sense of the…
/r/MensRights12/10/18 08:16 PM
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No, but you seem very egar to define my PERSONAL boundaries for me. I'm not trying to define them, I'm trying to understand certain statements you're making, as they seem to reflect a warped view of male flirtation, but I'm not entirely sure. I'm not talking about flirtation. I'm talking about the guys you see on /r/cringepics who tell a girl that he's been so nice she OWES it to him. Okay, if you're really only talking about extreme cases in which the guy is quite clearly or explicitly trying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:05 PM
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So this is a matter of faith for you. Fine, nothing I can do about that. No, it’s not faith. I’m simply questioning your request for evidence for a view you claim to already think is more-than-likely true. Your dataset does not cover false allegations at all. And what percentage of those rape allegations are false? Yes, it does. I specifically said, “false or not,” because you’ll find that the number of men accused of rape (again, falsely or not) is less than half of all men (far less, in fact),…
/r/MensRights12/10/18 04:24 AM
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LOL, see, this is what I meant—do you seriously doubt the claim I just made? If not, why do you need proof? And if you want proof, just look at any census of the male population and compare it to records of rape allegations. It’s very simple.
/r/MensRights11/10/18 11:30 PM
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Any unwanted or too forward flirting can be creepy depending how it comes across. To who? To one person? How many people need to find a behavior creepy for it to be labeled as such? Why don’t we just label the people creeped out by it “sensitive snowflakes?” Seems to me that, if a minority of people find it creepy, it shouldn’t be called creepy, and if we’re going to call things creepy that creep out most people, we should call people creeped out by things that don’t creep most people out “sensi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 11:28 PM
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Do you know? Do you have any evidence that supports such a claim? I’d love to see it. Yeah—the plainly observable fact that most men have never been accused of rape, falsely or otherwise.
/r/MensRights11/10/18 11:22 PM
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As a man, my impression is that, no, most women are not more turned on when they find out that a guy is taken. However, there is a subset of women who are insecure about their own attractiveness, and the way some of them cope with that is by proving their own desirability to the opposite sex by “outdoing” other women. These women are also the type that get jealous when other women are getting attention for their looks. These “attention whores” are not the majority of women, but they’re a noticea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:46 PM
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If he’s not an option, I’m not even going to get as far as considering whether or not he’s attractive. I’m sorry, but I find that really hard to believe. If you see an attractive man in a bar and go hitting on him, does your attraction evaporate as soon as you find out he’s got a girlfriend? Gay people crush on straight people and vice versa all the time. A person not being eligible as a sexual option has very little to do with their level of attractiveness to others. You may have an easier time…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:41 PM
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Taken men are “safer” because they are less likely to be creepy or sexually predatory meaning a woman can be more open and warm with him. I don’t think that’s true at all, unless you think many women can’t distinguish between flirtation and “creepy,” “sexually predatory” behavior, which implies nefarious intent. I think women are more comfortable around taken men, simply and only to the extent that they know they don’t have to worry about having to deal with unwelcome advances (regular flirtatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:35 PM
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I’m not claiming anything, I don’t have to prove anything. I’m just asking what the evidence is for your claim. It’s not a personal attack. First of all, im not the person your initial comment was in response to. Secondly, I feel like what you’re saying is a bit of a cop-out. When people ask for proof of a claim, they are implicitly expressing doubt as to that claim’s veracity. If you doubt the notion that the odds of being falsely accused are <50%, why are you asking for proof that it’s really …
/r/MensRights11/10/18 08:22 PM
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The problem comes in with modern feminist definitions of rape, which they innocently claim is just “sex without consent,” but that seemingly innocuous phrase becomes distorted when you look at how they define consent. Under affirmative consent, a woman who doesn’t feel like having sex with her boyfriend when he’s horny, but does just to please him, has been raped. Similarly, women who are extremely intoxicated—but not to the point of passing out—are incapable of providing consent, because they’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:30 PM
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You mean, like, all of them? Show me the statistic that shows men are more than 50% likely to be falsely accused by the time they complete college, or better yet, their entire lives. Look, we can call attention to the growing prevalence of false accusations and how modern laws and societal attitudes enable them, without encourage a similar type of paranoia among men to that which feminists culture amp women about being raped.
/r/MensRights11/10/18 05:46 PM
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If you haven’t already, start seeing a therapist. That’s step one. Once you do that and you start coming to terms with what happened to you, then you can start to think about whether or not you want to come forward with it and to what extent. I think it’s important though for you to understand how unlikely you are to receive a similar degree of support from society at all levels around this though. You will not. The media won’t be as keen to publish your story, lawyers will be less likely to tak…
/r/MensRights11/10/18 05:33 PM
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Agreed, TRP gets women wrong. Just like feminism gets men wrong. Both claim toxic behaviors of some members of the opposite sex as the norm for that gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 10:24 PM
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That’s sexual assault. You should report her to the police and file charges. She should be put on a sex offender registry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:07 PM
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That's not a very nuanced look at the data though. Since a good number of kids from single-mother homes do come out okay, it's important to look at them vs. those that don't, and do a comparison of variables to see if any reliable differences can be identified. And I'm pretty sure they already did identify "stable, positive male role models" as a protective factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 01:44 PM
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I honestly don’t know how you could convince me you get groped on a daily basis. That’s so far outside what I’ve observed the normal rate to be that the evidence you would need would be pretty extraordinary. Maybe if you told me a bit more about where this is happening? I could maybe believe it if, say, you lived in Tokyo and didn’t use the women’s cars. But even then I would think “every day” was a bit of an exaggeration. So do you believe that common mysogyny may create a situation where women…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 01:23 PM
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I think you’re pointing to nuances in what constitutes racism, but then choosing to ignore them for some reason. What makes a statement or expression racist? Is it in the content or the motivation of the speaker? I think the obvious truth is that both are correct, but in different ways. We can acknowledge that certain words, phrases, ideas, etc, are racially charged, and thus people should employ their use with caution and mindfulness to those around them if they don’t want to piss others off, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 12:43 PM
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Wait, so you’re basically saying you don’t believe trolling is actually real—trolls aren’t just trying to stir up drama by disingenuously parroting extremely offensive views, they actually mean it, and thus aren’t trolling. Does this extend to humor as well? If someone makes a racist or sexist joke, you think that means they honestly hold racist/sexist views?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:01 PM
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<shrug> Alright then, but I don’t understand how examples of people trolling have lead you to believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:48 PM
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Every Sunday should be Purge Day. I think I honestly saw people getting along better during this past week than they usually seem to. And I think the obvious trolling and humor was a big part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:46 PM
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Oh, I didn’t say that existed. I said feminists who claim that feminism is equally interested in helping men exist, not that they actually do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:42 PM
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How intolerant. Misogyny is a rainbow of flavors and possibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:19 PM
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Then please tell that to all the feminists telling me that it’s about equality for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:05 PM
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Nah, some of their views spread into the mainstream. Modern feminists have defended man-hating on multiple occasions, and not just coffee shop feminists on Twitter, but academics in major newspapers and magazines. Feminism has a growing problem with misandry. It’s always been there, but lately feminists are becoming much more vocal about it and not feeling the need to disguise it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:04 PM
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She’s saying that feminism isn’t about helping men in any way, but that doesn’t mean feminists don’t care about some men’s issues too, just as people. It’s just not relevant to feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:59 PM
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Here you go: 💩
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:40 PM
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If the goal is to troll, that’s not really the same thing as “blatant racism” though, is it? I mean, if it’s specifically being used to troll, that implies the troll doesn’t themselves believe it. So I guess my question is, has it made you feel that a lot of the people on the sub are racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:40 PM
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I’m sorry your attention span is so poor that you have trouble making it through a few short paragraphs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:35 PM
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Other than that CDC study and works by Koss herself, where do you see it being used? That survey isn’t the gold standard of the field, even if it does find favor among feminists. Dude, just look up rape studies and count how frequently that survey is used; you’ll see it’s in the minority.
/r/MensRights08/10/18 05:27 PM
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I agree with your post in general, but I’ll answer your questions more specifically. Q4All: Do you believe contemporary feminists fail to provide a counter-narrative to the feminists of past (regarding marriage)? Yes, technically, but I’m not actually sure they need to. Current cultural attitudes aren’t sufficiently anti-marriage that they need correction IMO. People do need to take fathers’ rights and contributions to parenthood more seriously, but that’s not the same as being anti-marriage. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:15 PM
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I approve and feel this sub needs more postings of fine bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:50 PM
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<gasp!> Are you denying the great diversity of ways there are to hate women???
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:43 PM
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Koss’s work doesn’t constitute the majority of literature on rape, and even her contemporaries were skeptical of her work due to the criticisms made about it at the time. Feminism has been getting more and more radical since Koss originally published the article in question, but most studies done before don’t employ it, and still constitute the majority of what’s been written.
/r/MensRights08/10/18 04:35 PM
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Okay, well I agree with all that. My only point was that the specific finding you were citing isn’t actually a very good one for making your point. I’ve seen studies on DV that show much more equal rates of violence, but I haven’t seen anything that’s shown something similar for rape (not sexual assault, rape). If you’ve got something though, please share! Despite there not being evidence for it though, I suspect women raping men is more common than the data suggest for the usual reasons (e.g. b…
/r/MensRights08/10/18 04:17 PM
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The fact that the vast majority of other studies have found a much larger gap between male victims of female rapists and the reverse. The finding is notable due to the fact that it goes against an already established trend.
/r/MensRights08/10/18 04:07 PM
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Men grope me almost every single time I’m in a crowd; it tells me there’s a cultural issue. See, it’s how we’ve somehow gotten to the point where women can make claims like that, and the culture still makes it taboo to respond, “I doubt that.” I don’t believe you get groped every single time you’re in a crowd, not even close. If you want to convince me that there’s a culture of rape in America, you have to point to objective evidence of it, not make exaggerated anecdotal claims. I only know of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:04 PM
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That isn’t true, CDC figures put sexual assaults and rapes at about equal between men and women when you include made to penetrate. I know what you’re referring to, but you’ve got to remember that this from a study that counted incredibly minor examples and vaguely worded things like “unwanted sexual contact” as sexual assault. The numbers were inflated across the board, for both men and women. The data’s just bad, because the questionnaire wasn’t true to the variable it was trying to measure. P…
/r/MensRights08/10/18 02:55 PM
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I’m not talking about feminists’ ideas of rape culture. I’m talking about my personal experiences where men have exhibited unreasonable amounts of entitlement to my body How many such men have you met in life? What percentage of all the men you’ve met in life do they represent? Is what you’re talking about really a “culture” or just a bunch of shitty people? Should men start complaining about a culture of false accusations, because there are people who make false accusations and feminists are en…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:05 PM
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LOL, you ban incels 90% of the way through the purge. How the fuck did this not occur to you in previous years? Seriously, why is this happening now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 12:19 PM
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Not every troll is TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 05:26 PM
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So let’s use this thread to say something positive as we move out of purge week. I just sharted. It felt nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:06 PM
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You said “NO feminists” not “NO feminist organizations making public statements.” Say what you mean, please, it cuts down on miscommunications that lead to unnecessary arguments. I never claimed feminist organizations did this. I said my mother did. It was an anecdote, that’s all. Although I’m sure there are other feminists who make similar comments. They’ve proven their adept skill at exaggeration and hysteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:03 PM
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I don’t believe men should be doing time for not paying child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:59 AM
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It can’t. I was talking about parental alienation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:58 AM
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Is that really in their sidebar? If so, that’s really fucked up. MGTOW wasn’t originally a bad idea, and had promise as a movement, but it got corrupted by too many incels and misogynists. And apparently now anti-gay folks. What a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:55 PM
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I’ve never bought a date dinner. LT girlfriend? Yeah. But a date? Don’t make me laugh. And yes, they were still down to fuck most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:51 PM
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If incels were attractive, they probably wouldn’t be incels. As for rapists, a lot of them do have plenty of consensual sex as well. And it’s been documented many times that abuse victims—male and female—continue to love their abusers and stay with them as a result. So your opinion here is pretty damn ignorant of the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:49 PM
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The reality of rape culture. Eh, I’m not entirely behind this. What feminists call rape culture today seems stretched and lukewarm to me. But you know where rape culture definitely still exists in the West? Prisons—where it primarily affects men, and feminists want nothing to do with it. Feminists aren’t interested in combating rape culture; they’re interested in helping female rape victims, period. Bodily autonomy. How do women not have bodily autonomy these days? Only thing I can think of is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:20 PM
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Wat?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:09 PM
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You sadly exhibit the same poor level of reading comprehension that I’ve come to expect from users on this sub. I ALREADY DETAILED HOW MY FEMINIST MOTHER COMPARED THE PLIGHT OF AMERICAN WOMEN TO THOSE IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:07 PM
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Uh, no—female victims are believed or at least taken seriously most of the time by LE, and I know that because I know several people who work in LE and I see it professionally from the other end sometimes (my clients filing reports). It’s male victims who are not taken seriously a significant amount of the time. Don’t try to equate these two things; male victims have a much harder time getting justice than female victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:09 PM
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> This is called having empathy. No, it's called affirmative consent requiring men to take responsibility for 100% of the communication going on during sex. It's feminists insisting that men read women's thoughts, and denying that women have agency over their sexual choices. > And this is called having compassion. No, it's called selfishness on the part of mothers who think that their personal choice to have a child should be funded by the unfortunate SOB whose condom broke. Don't talk to me abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:45 PM
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Agreed on all counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:40 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:35 PM
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Yeah, basically. There are still some systemic issues, but most of them are isolated to relatively specific sectors of society, and do not reflect national societal systemic biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:22 PM
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Jesus Christ, the intellectual average on this sub plummets during Purge Week. Which is sad, because it’s usual rate isn’t all that high either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:16 PM
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Why do you encourage them to comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:35 PM
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That's an interesting proposition. It certainly should be considered a form of child abuse and IPV. Yeah, I suppose prison sentences are justified for clear instances of intentional parental alienation. However, this can happen accidentally as well, and I don't think custodial parents in those cases should be punished with jail time. However, the more important part is revoking custody for parental alienators completely. They've proven they don't have their children's best interests in mind and …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:33 PM
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Not everywhere. In France, for example, even if you prove the kid isn't yours, you still have to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:30 PM
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LOL, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:26 PM
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A few legitimate issues in the sea of fake ones feminists champion: 1.) Sexual assault and IPV remain serious problems in society, and women are the primary victims of these crimes, just not by the margin feminists claim they are. Male victims get far less recognition and support, and as an MRA, I feel their need is just as great, despite not being victimized as often, but this doesn't make this not an issue for women. 2.) Shaky abortion laws. Abortion rights have never been closer to repeal in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:22 PM
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TRP has as toxic a view of men as feminists do. That's not going to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:13 PM
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I agree more men should report this sort of thing despite social stereotypes, but do you honestly think such a report is likely to be taken seriously by most respondents (e.g. police, HR, etc)?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:10 PM
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Literally the exact same internal logic of "handsy" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:08 PM
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Man, you’re as bitter as an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:58 PM
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While I agree with your main point here about TRP men, I can’t help but see a similarity in how feminists treat men. They insist that men take responsibility for women’s behavior, at least in terms of affirmative consent (men are responsible for ensuring women are comfortable with what’s happening, and women bear no responsibility for directly communicating any discomfort—men are simply expected to know) and child support for children the fathers never consented to having (feminist resistance to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:54 PM
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What a dumb post. You’re trying to contradict a point with plenty of examples supporting it, by referring to an unresolved accusation, which you’re simply assuming is true. You’re exhibiting precisely the “believe all accusers” mentality that they’ve been criticizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:46 PM
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You’ve got MRAs mixed up with TRPers and incels. A common, but annoying mistake. MRAs don’t give a damn about going childfree and we don’t want to be women. Some MRAs think women have it better, but most acknowledge it’s a mixed bag at this point, and the problem is simply that women’s privileges over men go unacknowledged by society. If your ex was using terms like “cock carousel,” that smacks much more of TRP influence to me than MRA. We aren’t concerned with n-counts and how much dick women c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:40 PM
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