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You're right. It's not a privilege. It's a first-world problem. "I can never learn how to do anything for myself because I always let everyone do it for me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 12:32 AM
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That's the 4B take. Which frankly speaking, is no less incel rhetoric-y than incel rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 12:23 AM
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"then be turned off by any type of man who demands equality" well that's because the type of "equality" men are often demanding is related to making dating easier for men Such as? And fundamentally speaking, if something helps men at women's expense, (and lets just assume for the sake of the argument that the thing in question is an inequality that works in women's favor), would you oppose it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 01:22 PM
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I've noticed a few of them in here doing that lately. The flairs are getting weirder and weirder.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 12:51 AM
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That being gay is trendy and people, women not least of which, are slaves to trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 12:49 AM
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Any one of my exes would take good care of a child because they’re thoughtful, responsible people. Whether or not that should be left to chance or prescreening or what have you is the fundamental disagreement here I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:46 PM
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Yeah when I read "10 years" I thought to myself "efficiency problem".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:34 PM
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I would be willing to pay child support. Because I’d want my children to receive the best care possible. I wish those two things were correlated more strongly, given that the payer is not allowed to audit how the funds are allocated. It can just be treated like alimony 2.0 without consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:13 PM
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It's in the title: entertainment value
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:04 PM
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If you cause the parenthood you are responsible for it So long as the threshold you're using for "cause" is the same for both men and women, then that's fine. So for example if a woman having sex doesn't meet the threshold of "causing parenthood" in your eyes, then neither can a man having sex. Bodily autonomy has nothing to do with financial obligation of a child that actually exists. It does when you don't limit its context to women and pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:18 PM
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So being financially obligated to a child in exchange for avoiding the physical consequences of pregnancy isn't a fair exchange then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 07:55 PM
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Because those are the parameters of the hypothetical question. Would it be a fair trade?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 06:48 PM
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so long as he does so during the window where women can have an abortion. Seems like an opt-in method would be cleaner. Otherwise there would have to be some type of protection against a woman hiding the pregnancy until after the opt-out deadline. Maybe give her the right to set her own (reasonable) deadline for his ability to opt-in?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:17 PM
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"It's rare so it's not an injustice."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:05 PM
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If we gave those women the right to side-step the physical consequences in exchange for being financially accountable for a randomly selected orphan for the next 18-21 years, would that be a fair trade to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 02:43 PM
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Women have been doing that to men for decades. You'll survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:43 AM
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I think this impacts women’s attitudes towards the dating market more than people might realise. "This" being the utterly myopic worldview that societal expectations only apply to and affect women? Yeah, that's probably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:40 PM
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I have 3 bros, husband, son and son in law. None of them have been blamed for anything that they do not deserve. You've never seen men as a gender be made into scapegoats for things they don't deserve? Or are you trying to say that because you've personally never done it that it never happens? Gender scapegoating had a storied history with feminism and especially with feminists long before guys like Tate started becoming popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 02:33 PM
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So many men these days are looking for excuses to scapegoat and blame women. I wonder where they learned that behavior from? Now Pandora wants to put the lid back on that box?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 01:16 PM
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Date? No. Be loose acquaintances with to gain access to her non-asexual friends? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:48 AM
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I’m perplexed when women say most men don’t care. Think of it as an emotional outburst - because it is. Not unlike what children do - but keep that comparison to yourself as you handle it, because if you don't it'll just lead to more emotional outbursts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 11:22 AM
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You just argued yourself into a corner is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 05:56 PM
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That is what you asked. You just aren't framing it as "accusing someone of a crime", even though that's exactly what "X raped me" is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 05:48 PM
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Would I refrain from accusing someone of a crime without evidence? Absolutely. I don't want to be sued for defamation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 05:44 PM
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Are you "going through negative experiences with someone" or are you accusing them of a crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 05:30 PM
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But extremely relevant to the topic vis a vis "naming the accused".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 05:16 PM
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You better have evidence, or you may have a libel/slander lawsuit on your hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 05:13 PM
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I'm glad it happened exactly as it did. Started off legit, devolved into witch trials. Just as one would expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 05:00 PM
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Because it's a narrative and not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 04:56 PM
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A guy doesn't just become a school shooter because he's not popular with women And he especially doesn't when he is. Because a man who has many options tends to be more mentally healthy than a man who has none.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:11 AM
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it just depends on a lot With some variables being major predictors compared to others. Can you remember the last time the school shooter was the guy who was popular with all the ladies?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 02:35 AM
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Do you disagree with the general statement that a man with no options, be he introverted or otherwise, is less likely to be mentally healthy than a man with many options?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 11:29 PM
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The man with no/few options usually has a greater correlation with mental illness than the man with many options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:46 PM
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White people are responsible for slavery. Only if you believe history began in the ~1600s and only if you limit your attention to the Americas...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:33 PM
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More options doesn't equal good options Would you rather get to roll the dice a handful of times, or 100+ times for your chance at catching a good option?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:44 PM
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A man who can have casual sex will always have more options than an "oofy doofy" type of guy, and more options > fewer options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:58 AM
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This is exactly why boys need men to teach them how to be men. "Use your strength for good" vs "DON'T EVER USE YOUR STRENGTH YOU MIGHT HURT SOMEBODY!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:08 PM
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What isn't different though is that only a woman can do either of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:26 AM
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It's being treated as though it's less valuable. How else could you justify the statement: "he's paying because I showed up"? Shouldn't his time be adequate repayment for yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:22 AM
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How exactly does she stop it? By choosing to and then using one of the various methods available to her as a woman. By this logic men would also too (e.g. condoms) A man can't choose to undo the consequences of a failed contraceptive. Only a woman can.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:20 PM
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He’s paying for dinner because I showed up. What is your reasoning for treating his time as though it's less valuable than yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:12 PM
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An entertaining provocateur in the same way that Alex Jones was. Probably a prudent businessman in that he found a product he can sell and he's good at selling it. Makes good points every now and then but mostly just a source of cheap entertainment. PPD in video form.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:28 PM
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A woman can. In fact, only a woman can.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:04 PM
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I agree with you. But look at the responses by many of the women in here. They take it so personally that they'd torpedo the relationship and make the kid grow up without a father because the man didn't express recklessly unconditional trust in them. Those same women are perfectly cool with having secret "bug out bags". You know, just in case.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:58 AM
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Well, at least we know where in my post you stopped reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:22 AM
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I don't know about whether or not they deserve it, but...why would they want it? Women generally have even less experience seducing women than incels do, and they're certainly not spending a whole lot of time analyzing the "whys" of what they're attracted to - which is assuming they're even being honest about what they're attracted to in the first place. Further, when men create a space to discuss women, women are always going to see fit to force themselves into those conversations. So if you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:21 PM
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The problem is a bruised ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:02 PM
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I think this is an important conversation to have with a partner, and if you believe you will need (or even just want)this assurance that virtually all mothers get, you should talk to your partner ASAP. Do the stigmatized and ill-received thing ASAP? Sounds like you'd just be falling on a different sword.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 05:08 PM
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The possibility is tied exclusively to what the woman decides to do in the moment - regardless of whatever conversations happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:52 PM
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The excuse is that women are human and humans are fallible. Ultimately this is a discussion about which is more important: a man's life or a woman's ego. Should he be afforded certainty about a thing that will change the course of his entire life in a major way if it means she might "feel like he doesn't trust her"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:31 PM
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Yes, an example means one instant of many. So you think that among other things, they'll normalize SA? ...And that's supposed to be your way of denying that you said they'd normalize SA?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 04:38 AM
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And your example was: coming with a fully normalized and watered down view of committing SA Are you going to stand by your own words or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:21 AM
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coming with a fully normalized and watered down view of committing SA, for example Feel free to explain what you meant by this if not that. “For example” is the dead giveaway here So among other things, they'll normalize SA?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:16 AM
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So men can't be left to their own spaces because if they are they'll decide that SA is ok? Is that what we're going with?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:13 AM
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Equality has to consider the individual circumstances. Go too far down that road though and you're just doing the Animal Farm thing where some animals are more equal than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:30 PM
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When do I get paid to be the provider? I demand a salary for having to maintain a salary!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:44 AM
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"My husband hired a hottie SEA woman to be a scab and the worst part is the kids like her more than me! Damn you patriarchy!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:48 AM
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The original message was "git gud". The message evolved into "this game sucks". In large part due to humanity's propensity to be lazy and blame everyone else for their failures, but also because... the game kinda sucks now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:56 PM
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The Red Pill is a date rapist's fever dream. By the logic you've just used, feminism is a misandrist's murder fantasy because Valerie Solanas wrote the SCUM manifesto.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:47 PM
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That's a dishonest and also kind of disturbing interpretation of what the randomly selected orphan represents.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:15 AM
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Oh. So you're just dishonestly interpreting it then? Meh.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:13 AM
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Because they have a sense of humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:09 AM
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Because "biological differences" wouldn't be your objection to being obligated to provide for the random orphan.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:23 AM
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Why does one side get to sit back, do zero initiation, filter through a pile of options they didn't work for, and still get framed as the selective ones? Same reason the 4B women claim that they're "opting out" of continuing to wait passively for a man to show up and do all the heavy lifting in getting a relationship off the ground. An abject dissociation from reality for the sake of keeping their egos soothed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:06 AM
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I always found it incredibly offputting when a woman acted like that by just showing up, she was offering something. Or when they act like the time and money they spend on makeup is a cost that men should feel obligated to reimburse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:52 AM
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The premise is bodily autonomy. Being forced against your will to use your body for the sake of others is a violation of one's bodily autonomy, yes or no? If yes, then please explain why you think men being forced against their wills to use their bodies for the sake of others is exempt from this premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:51 PM
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She’s the one who has to suffer through a year of pain Did she have to or did she choose to? One would be a noteworthy counterpoint, the other would not. potential death from childbirth Approximately 0.004% of pregnant women die from complications related to childbirth in the U.S.. For perspective, that's roughly on par with people who die from auto-erotic asphyxiation, and also utterly dwarfed by workplace deaths, particularly the male-dominated variety. And when it’s born, she ALSO has to take…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:21 PM
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Far be it from me to interrupt your fantasizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:52 PM
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Feel free to point out why you think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:49 PM
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Financial provision is not the same burden as being a vessel for a living and growing baby. Being obligated to use your body to generate financial provisions and being obligated to use your body to gestate a baby are different examples of the same premise. You didn't answer the question you quoted. Please do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:44 PM
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It fails? She keeps the baby? That’s is the biological reality of having sex. She keeps it, she aborts it, or she abandons it. In any case, her autonomy is preserved - even if it's at the expense of others'. men do their damndest to escape any risk and responsibility at all Actually they just look at the very same "bodily autonomy" argument women use to escape those things and apply it to being forced to use their own bodies to support what is entirely a woman's choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:32 PM
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Already addressed this with another poster. Feel free to address it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:58 PM
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Would you be OK with the idea that in exchange for getting an abortion to preserve your bodily autonomy that you are now obligated to financially provide for a randomly selected orphan for the next 18 years? If not, then biological differences have nothing to do with this double-standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:26 PM
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What’s not a scam about sugar dating? When the service paid for is actually received.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:19 PM
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choosing if/when they want kids If women would demand this for themselves but deny it for men (see how unpopular the idea of "paper abortions" is with the women around here and/or the downvotes this very post got from them) then it's not unreasonable that some might interpret this to be a little bit self-centered and narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:15 PM
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Ok. And what percentage of men would you say are violent criminals?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:44 PM
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Seems reasonable to conclude that the ones who can recognize and acknowledge the patterns of their own animal natures are probably more rational than the ones who would deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:16 PM
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I will never have any qualms employing plausible deniability against plausible deniability. If she makes her own intentions crystal clear then so too shall I be crystal clear with mine. But apparently we live in a world where a woman can be in an open relationship with a man she's never discussed marriage with and when he doesn't end up marrying her, she'll call it "being strung along".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:59 PM
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Chesterton's Fence Oh cool, there's a name for it. Adding that one to the vocabulary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:35 PM
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Another argument I have heard is that on some level women understand that no sustainable civilization can be maintained without the sexual oppression of women as women are too innately selective to ever pair widely enough voluntarily. I doubt very much that most women (people really) realize that, but I absolutely believe it's something that had to be taken into consideration by the architects of civilization. How do you induce civility in beings whose natural urges are often its antithesis? An …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:02 PM
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it always seems like in any analytical conversation with women, they have one eye on what any admission in the analysis might lead men to do. In conjunction with an increasingly neurotic fixation on "what men might do" and a rapidly accelerating willingness to manipulate facts in reaction to it, we find ourselves in our current predicament. Fortunately though hard times create strong men, and strong men solve problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:03 PM
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As a non-religious person, I think the story about Adam and Eve is deeply insightful and relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:38 PM
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But we're not allowed to address it unless it's done in a manner that doesn't implicate women, because between acknowledging their share of the blame and letting civilization reduce itself back down to the lowest common denominator, the latter is looking like the most likely outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:14 PM
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Seems like an attempt to seek consensus. Like a "convince me I'm correct in thinking this" type of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:47 PM
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Strange though how so many allegedly happily married women spend so much time consuming all of this online gendered drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:53 PM
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I have no prescriptions for what men should do. I'm just giving my post-mortem on modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:21 AM
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Bc the fact is, there are so many single women, who if you are right, would pair up if there were enough good men. It could also be the case that good men are simply walking away from their expected roles in the dating game, and given that most women would rather die (or stay single, as it were) than do the approaching themselves, the whole machine is breaking down. And maybe in exactly the same way that a man who hates being single might call his singleness "voluntary" ("MGTOW"), a 4B woman mig…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:45 AM
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they're rejecting good relationships Why would they simultaneously reject good relationships while acknowledging that good relationships are far and away preferable to being single? or there aren't enough good men to get into good relationships with Does the existence of MGTOW suggest there aren't enough good women to get into good relationships with? Or is there potentially a flaw in that logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:48 PM
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So the answer to my question is "nothing"? That was indeed my suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:52 PM
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Not lying per se. Just...primed to become scabs to the alleged "man boycott" when the right man shows up. Which is functionally identical to what women who aren't "boycotting men" will do. Hence I'm asking for someone to point out what exactly those women believe they're doing differently. For a "MGTOW" man, he can say "I stopped approaching women." and that would be a different thing that he's doing. What, other than adopting an internet label and seemingly a boatload of resentment for men does…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:42 PM
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You are making an assumption that shed say no to a guy she likes. The opposite, actually. She is saying they wouldn't do that. They wouldn't what? Date a man they like in order to maintain solidarity with the other denizens of the metaphorical 4B bucket? Even when they themselves readily admit that a good relationship is infinitely better than no relationship? And your basis for that belief is "they said they wouldn't"? ...Alright then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:40 PM
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I think you're ignoring mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:56 PM
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I'm working on a collection of liter bikes. Yamaha R1M or a Honda CBR1000RR-R (needs more Rs) Fireblade is next on the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:31 PM
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But those women swore off dating. That's certainly what they say, but metaphorically speaking they never uninstalled the app. A 4B woman isn't going to say no to a man that she likes "because she's boycotting men". So what, ultimately, is the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:17 PM
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how will a prince show up? By being the gender that initiates. Women are generally passive in being swept off their feet by men. I'm asking how a 4B woman's passivity manifests itself differently to normal women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:11 PM
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I'm not seeing any examples here of how a 4B woman might act differently to one who is still waiting for prince charming to show up. Seems like the only difference here is that one is waiting, while the other is secretly and resentfully waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:52 PM
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So ~20%? I'm surprised how conservative you were with that. Do you think 4B women would say it's only ~20% as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:20 PM
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What does a 4B woman going her own way even look like? Like how does her behavior differ from a woman who is just waiting for her prince charming to show up and get the relationship started?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:14 PM
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What approximate percentage of men do you believe think fondly of Epstein and Diddy? What do you think 4B women would estimate that percentage to be, assuming it would be different to your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:01 PM
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People tried to ignore the whinings, and it didn’t work So now we're in the pearl clutching phase? Where we test the boundaries of our hysterical rhetoric about men to try and mobilize society against a perceived threat to women? I guess if nothing else it'll be interesting to see just how dead chivalry actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:53 PM
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No idea who you're arguing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:25 AM
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I’m honestly a bigger hoe than most my friends this happens to. Im talking to like 5 different guys right now. And you're wondering why they all want a relationship? As 19 year old boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:42 AM
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You also, finding hot chicks hot in porn or calenders or online is seen as super duper normal and ok Not if we're living through the "Are you beach body ready?" era.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:24 AM
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Anonymously on the internet by people they themselves would consider to be beneath them. But that's not exactly on brand with being a victim so it gets framed very differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:05 PM
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That's not how it's going to play out at all. More likely we'll start investigating the reasons why men are doing the completely unprecedented thing, and it's going to invite a lot of very unflattering commentary about women's role in it; Which will become increasingly impossible to sweep under the rug.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:16 PM
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Because good fishermen cast wide nets.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:46 PM
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A simple comparison between the tolerance society affords women complaining about things vs men would challenge your thesis. I'd also be careful about limiting your sample sizes to dating forums that you doomscrolled.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:16 PM
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ah, so you inferred that these women are saying "there's no such thing as a good man" rather than "i'm done trying to find one"? Doesn't really matter, given that the cringe factor between "no such thing" and "too rare to bother looking for" is very similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:32 AM
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Does it bother you when an "unselected man" insists that there's no such thing as good women, and that's why he's single? Or does it just make you cringe that they'd pick such an implausible explanation to frame their abject failure as anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:10 AM
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Women aren't looking inward because they've decided that the problem is everybody else? Yeah, that tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:52 PM
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Women are increasingly choosing being single over being in shitty relationships. Maybe they should be asking themselves why they only ever attract shitty relationships if that's the only thing they're able to compare "being single" to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:40 PM
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Because this subreddit has a silly flair rule where you have to declare your gender and your "pill" in your flair in order to be allowed to reply to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:04 PM
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So of all of the possible realities why a woman can't seem to get a single man to stick around without using sex as a carrot on a stick, the explanation we've settled on is "men are not actually interested in women"? No other possibilities to consider?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:30 PM
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Be careful. You're going to rhetoric yourself into a corner at this rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:34 PM
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While I agree that misandry is fairly rampant among women of all shapes and sizes, we're specifically talking about women who make absolute statements like "men only care about pussy".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:27 PM
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I think most of the women who think "men only care about pussy" are probably something along those lines. I don't know why you keep treating that generality like a personal accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:28 PM
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Source for women are easily influenced by feminism? Not the claim I made. The manosphere is the cultural zeitgeist for many men, especially in this subreddit. You are an example of it. Maybe in the future you can call the things being discussed on anonymous subreddits "the cultural zeitgeist", but certainly not yet. If I ever see a general compliment towards women from TRP men anywhere, I will probably have to return my eyeballs in my sockets. Unless it's specifically by TRP men that you want ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:23 PM
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It is an untrue conclusion. The conclusion is not untrue. It's widely recognized. The only point of contention is whether its existence is due to nature or nurture. Nurture is probably the primary culprit, but that doesn't change the conclusion. Men seem to be easily influenced by the manosphere ideology. They have the ability to take studies and twist them so they can come to the worst conclusions about women. I assume you meant as easily influenced, given that you just described what feminist …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:31 PM
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It's about generalities. I'm surprised then that you can't recognize the generality of my statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:12 PM
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Do you really think we do not have brains? No. I think you have brains which are perhaps more easily influenced though, be it by way of nature or nurture. Is that such a horrible conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:03 PM
1

If a man feels like women only ever care about his money, maybe his money is the only interesting thing about him. If a woman feels like men only ever care about her pussy...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:46 PM
29

People forget that not every demographic of women grew up exposed to feminist grievance-based propaganda every waking hour of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:15 PM
2

That intragender competition is not difficult to find between either gender? I don't know, common sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:14 PM
3

Dig a little deeper. Or just wait for the woman being championed and celebrated by other women to leave the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:36 PM
4

Only men believe this. Are women so unaware of themselves that they'd think "only men believe that there's intragender competition among women"? Or are they aware and this is just how they protect their egos from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:25 PM
1

Inheritance without established family kinship are subject to exorbitant taxes. So are they with established family kinship. That's why people with wealth that exceeds the lifetime gift tax exemption, be they kin or not, create trusts and designate trustees.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:26 AM
1

I would agree and be just as annoyed if my spouse said the towels needed to be folded a specific way or we had to have a specific amount of pillows on the bed. This is exactly the scenario that usually precedes discussions about lists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:12 PM
2

So because he was too lazy to begin with forcing her to do more work because yes, it HAS to be done, she also has to make him a list? Only if you assume it's only ever the man who is the root of the problem ("he was lazy!"). For every lazy man though, there's a neurotic woman calling a man lazy for not adhering to her neurotic standards. That's the other half of the equation we're talking about here. I can acknowledge that some men are lazy. Can you acknowledge that some women can never be pleas…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:31 PM
0

The issue I take against lists, personally, is why the flying fuck do I have to be in charge of it? Because presumably there's enough friction about chore division to be seeking solutions - and what better way to resolve it than for the aggrieved party to lay out the specifics of what would make them happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:34 AM
3

Can you please respond to this? That's not how these posts work. They've already acknowledged that good faith debate isn't the intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:32 PM
1

Eh. That's not how these posts work. They've already acknowledged that since they believe nobody else engages in good faith that they don't intend to either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:27 PM
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I think the issue these women take against "lists" is that it confines their expectations. They want to be able to always reserve the right to feel as though they've been slighted so that they can always have an excuse to be angry. Giving men a method to say "See? I've done everything you've asked of me. Why are you still angry?" (a list) is counterproductive to said women, because it gives those men a way to show that the woman is being unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:08 PM
1

You got 12% because you excluded obese women, didn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:34 PM
1

Sounds like we're overdue for a "beautiful at any backbone" campaign to tackle unrealistic confidence standards!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:38 PM
0

It's the typical half-truth. When they say "I hate traditional gender roles!" they're only referring to their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:59 PM
3

Is sleeping in the same room something that he wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:54 AM
12

Is he getting his money's worth though?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:23 PM
0

Just don't look into the post-pandemic stats on the efficacy of non-N95 rated masks (the masks everyone was wearing) preventing the spread of covid. You were wearing a germ collector (one that doesn't actually do anything at all to contain tiny viruses) on your face that you were touching with your hands all day. Anyway. But I reacted with pity and disgust. That's kinda what I was expecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:32 PM
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Question to the women who believe they're living in fear: How did you react to people who weren't wearing a mask during covid?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:26 PM
2

Balloon lives matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:29 PM
1

It's exactly the same energy. "Women benefit from men having checking accounts, therefore women don't need checking accounts."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:22 PM
0

Protestantism ultimately defeats the purpose of its own source material. It's straight up "thou shalt not do X unless you want to".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:20 PM
2

Again. It's not about men having a choice themselves. It's about men benefiting from the choice that women have. "It's not about women having a choice to open bank accounts. It's about women benefiting from men having a choice to open bank accounts!"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:03 PM
2

And while the ladies are at it, they should also remember that nothing you described above could reasonably be interpreted as sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:58 PM
2

when you start following someone round a building, you have an agenda Yeah. To get your number. To which you (eventually) said "no, go away", and he did. "Cornered". This is again absolutely arrogance from guys here that even when presented with evidence, it’s not the guys fault or responsibility. The evidence clearly shows that you were pestered, and also that you're catastrophizing scenarios that didn't actually happen to try and argue that you were more than just pestered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:38 PM
2

Right, walking someone out to their car and looking like they might jump on is “pestering” yes? Yes. As well as all the other stuff you described. The thing is, has this guy jumped in, pulled out a weapon and me, you’d all be saying it was my fault I'm sure you believe that... Anyway, at that point you could reasonably say you were "cornered". But that didn't happen, did it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:46 PM
3

I’ve been cornered in a grocery store. You've been pestered in a grocery store.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:35 PM
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Now look back at the context of the conversation and ask yourself if your comment served any meaningful purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:25 PM
1

Whose fault is it in either case, friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:33 AM
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Your fellow men. Lets test the consistency of your logic here: When a man spends so much of his time seeking out the most egregiously negative publicity about women that he can find to rationalize his increasingly radical takes about them, that's women's fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:31 AM
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it’s not the fault of women to take what they learn from the men around them as a good example of how men CAN and sometimes DO think. What about when they get stuck in their own positive feedback loops by fixating on all of the most extreme examples they can scrounge up from anonymous sources on the internet to inform themselves about the opposite sex to the point that they become utterly incapable of trusting any of them? Whose fault is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:00 PM
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I mean, if "men aren't 'he for she'ing' hard enough" is all it takes to dissuade you from being consistent with your ideological philosophies then that only really speaks to your own lack of conviction to them. Which you're free to express, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:34 AM
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I never found a guy that didn't want to do a sex act. Not the question I asked. No I don't think they reserve the good sex acts to certain people, that doesn't make sense Not the question I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:43 PM
1

If it's not your ideology then why are you using it to demand women pay for dates? Because we're telling you to put your money where your mouth is if you actually believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:35 PM
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Do you think men put the same amount of effort and enthusiasm into every single woman they date? Or do you think maybe sometimes they're more enthusiastic about and treat some women better than others? Can you acknowledge that women can behave similarly towards men? If so, then I don't see the point in relying on this implausibly convenient excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:27 PM
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For some reason they don't care that she didn't like it Why do we only ever assume "she didn't like it"? Seems terribly convenient to just dump the entire phenomenon onto this one conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:49 PM
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Why would I give men the benefits of feminism when they actively hate every other part of it? Because it's your ideology, and therefore your own obligation to be putting your money where your mouth is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:31 PM
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And was this a specific thing that men did to women? Or could men also be committed against their wills and with no legal recourse to insane asylums? The deliberate use of half-truths to frame history through ideological lenses is simply not a productive activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:58 PM
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An acclaimed journalist told you that women's place in history was to be "constant irritants to be kept in line"? I'd double-check their credentials if I were you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:49 PM
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Where do you get your accounts of history from?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:35 PM
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I just wish you'd engage in good faith instead of providing your own series of inane counters. At least you acknowledged that the character was toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:40 PM
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I don’t think she was the evil monster you guys view her as. Calm your rhetoric. Nobody called her an "evil monster". Maybe if you swapped the genders though...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:12 PM
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Do you guys even know what that word means? Yes. Do you understand the point the other poster was making about Forrest being taken advantage of by a toxic woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:57 PM
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Sure? So getting hung up on "what the creators thought the genre is" is a meaningless deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:22 PM
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I never viewed it as such. And neither did the creators. Forrest did though...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:15 PM
0

I suspect the Pareto principle (80/20) also applies to this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:08 AM
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Is a woman who believes she's always in imminent danger of being raped acting a little bit neurotic or no? This is a good faith test (and maybe also a serendipitous demonstration of the first point I made about keeping the peace).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:31 PM
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There's a limit to validating neuroticism where it starts doing more harm than good, and a woman who always believes she's about to be raped has long since crossed that limit. If keeping the peace is ultimately the goal though, then...yeah, validate away.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:28 PM
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The first thing a man must learn to do in order to keep the peace with a woman is to avoid putting anything into perspective. The woman who believes there's a man who wants to rape her hiding just around every corner doesn't want to hear the actual odds. It's the classic "I don't want you to fix the problem, I just want you to sympathize with and affirm my emotions" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:43 PM
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Like clockwork I tell you! I wear the downvotes like a badge of honor. They're angry NPC points as far as I'm concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:57 AM
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Oof. You used a metaphor. Now you're going to get the "women aren't fish" response from all the first-order thinkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:45 AM
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Though I do agree with you that women are redefining themselves in some new ways, I don't think men have really done that yet. That's because men were already all of the things that women want to redefine themselves as.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:29 AM
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This sub is 80% question for women though Eh. This place is counterproductive but not that counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:30 PM
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I don't see how that's wanting to destroy games by expressing a preference. It's all in how you handle the existence of games that don't adhere to your preferences. If you think a game that doesn't suit your preferences should change itself so that it does, then it'd be impossible to argue that your intent isn't to destroy that game. Ultimately whose problem should it be that an artist's work doesn't suit your tastes? If developers don't want to, then they probably lose customers as women likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:21 PM
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when people want a more balance And what form does that take? Do they create their own games full of women in full plate armor and men in speedos and leave other people to make their own games the way they want to? Or do they just sit there and condemn the way that other people make games? Because one of those is very obviously a form of "wanting to destroy games".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:53 PM
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Is that meant to be a statement about how terrible men are, or how far we've advanced medical science?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:04 PM
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It should be obvious that if women are choosing to stay single despite all the available men out there, it is a choice they are making wilfully. It would be obvious if not for the fact that most women don't approach or initiate on principle even when they really want relationships, which completely undermines the "willful choice" reasoning as anything other than a convenient excuse to mask their failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:27 PM
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"If you don't maintain your car, it might catch on fire." Did I just threaten to set your car on fire?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:56 AM
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Is "wash your hands or you might get sick" also a threat?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:09 PM
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Who hasn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:19 PM
1

Depends what outcome you're looking for. If it's more of the same, then I'd say nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:59 PM
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I have no qualms telling you you are in fact kinda ruining things I know you don't. I'm just explaining why from your perspective things seem to be getting worse vis a vis "women's support".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:55 PM
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I’m not infantilizing, I am mostly saying women aren’t on the same page You're implying that the women who aren't on your page are helping to jeopardize women's rights though. Which is increasingly recognized by the women who do vote right as a highly politicized take.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:46 PM
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Does his name need to be actually mentioned for his opinions to have an impact? No, but it does need to be mentioned when it comes to gauging which gender's head he takes up more space in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:48 PM
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Like I said, here on PPD, not just an online space per your own requisite, but pretty much the online space where people like Tate would be discussed, I see women citing him way more than I see men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:45 PM
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Seems pretty true to me. So that boys will think this gender war bullshit is real. Given that the message being fed to boys, girls, men and women for the last few decades has essentially been "men need to step aside and stop being patriarchal oppressors of women", that shouldn't really surprise anyone. You might even say that's what created the very environment from which personalities like Tate can amass millions of followers. When they are being taught to hate women. As a predictable counter-r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:12 AM
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I see women citing Tate here on PPD quite a bit more than I ever see red pill men talking about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:31 PM
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Half of Tate's followers were women being ragebaited.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:47 PM
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Women have had full ability to purchase property of all kinds for even longer than the 1960s. Then they don't do it on par with men because managing real estate can be a competitive and cutthroat environment which men are naturally more inclined to. Then the narratives form about how the disparity isn't a natural consequence of the differences between the sexes, but a coordinated effort by men to suppress women! Even though the only "proof" they can ever muster is the same incestuous sloganeerin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:02 AM
1

I believe religion is bogus, but I also believe humans are effectively incapable of maintaining moral frameworks conducive to building civilizations without the supernatural guardrails that religion erects. As far as promoting it goes? I'll leave that to the people who actually believe in it. It wouldn't feel right telling people to fear "judgment" when I think it's bogus.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:16 PM
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The only people that label themselves are men. Except when women take on insulting labels that men give them? And only ironically? And that's the difference between men and women acting like the grapes are sour? I'm not seeing a cohesive argument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:20 PM
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Just because you take on a label like "lonely cat lady" doesnt mean it actually means the person is lonely. No, but the 6 cats might be a hint. Women are just claiming it now as their own. Trying to anyway. Or so it would seem. But why else would they be engaging in behaviors that suggest they're contending with profound feelings of loneliness if not for the fact? The answer is that women are choosing to check out. They're ending up checked out and calling it a conscious decision while spending …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:35 PM
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Why would he give all these benefits to someone who could leave at any point and is not promising him anything in return for his efforts? But what he's recognizing as the consequences of getting married, women will recognize as the consequences of not getting married. Which is very interesting indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:01 PM
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Who is saying she is sad? Anybody who sees the association between the words "sad" and "lonely". Will you answer the question now? Men are loosing against cats is actually the sad thing in this scenario. This has exactly the same vibes as the totally-not-involuntarily-celibate demographics of the involuntarily celibates saying women are "loosing [sic] against porn fleshlights and anime girls".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:43 PM
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Ask your local femcel what they want but seemingly can't get from men. Given that the answer definitely isn't going to be "sex", wouldn't it be prudent to differentiate that from "female incel"? You never answered my question. Does a woman choose to be a sad, lonely person who fills the void with cats? Or is that much more likely to be something she stumbles unwittingly and/or involuntarily into?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:17 PM
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They're not voluntarily emotionally celibate though. Which is why we call them femcels, a play on the word 'emcel'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:39 PM
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Those two words are synonyms, so no. Does an incel choose to abstain from women? Or is it usually just something that happens as a natural consequence of their own inadequacy? Does a woman choose to be a sad, lonely person who fills the void with cats?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:27 PM
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Why would she give all these benefits to someone who could leave at any point and is not promising her anything in return for her efforts (again not all relationships) Ironically men recognize that exact same reasoning when explaining why they don't want to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:50 PM
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women decided to embrace the "lonely cat lady" identity "Decided" is much too strong a word for this...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:33 PM
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At what point though does "making women feel special" just become an exercise in blowing smoke up their asses and shielding their egos from harm? Kinda feels like we've already gone down that path, and the results were awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:42 AM
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It is, as always, fascinating to watch women be so afraid of agency and accountability that they foster most of their intersexual hatred toward men that were foolish enough to listen to them. Hah. Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:30 PM
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So would the woman who cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:16 AM
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women were still viewed as stupid little weak creatures who needed a man to tell them what to do. Why would men designate stupid little weak creatures who need to be told what to do as the moral guardians of home and hearth? That doesn't make any sense. I suspect you missed the mark here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:36 PM
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A rich woman often couldn’t overcome being female. She could own property and get an education if she was rich. So there are two things right there. Those aren’t the same kind of barrier. And yet they produced similar numbers of excluded people - which is the fundamental point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:07 PM
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Men were typically excluded by class or property requirements. The overwhelming majority of men were excluded by those things. Can I reasonably conclude that women are privileged based on the life that Taylor Swift leads?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:58 PM
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How exactly does upper-body strength determine whether someone can vote or study medicine? It doesn't. And neither women nor the overwhelming majority of men save for a couple percentage points could do those things until very recently. Is it fair to compare all women to only the most elite men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:42 PM
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Women were often excluded before anyone had evidence they were less capable Can you prove that? It doesn't take academic studies to recognize that women are significantly less physically capable than men. We had that one figured out long before we were even walking upright as a species.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:53 PM
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Can you establish an objective difference between a man "expressing [...] his depression" and "losery feelings and hopelessness"? Or is this just something you need to feel out in the moment?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:12 AM
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There are way too many women chasing the manosphere around insisting angrily that it doesn't work to believe that it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:59 PM
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If we're going to save modern dating, we're going to have to break this decades-running addiction to framing the solution to every cultural problem as "men need to [...] for women".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:18 AM
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My sentiments exactly. You're just as shocked by your own interpretation of the purpose of comparing statistics? This is getting confusing now. something she should be reprimanded for? Depends how much she contributed to the situation. How long she turned a blind eye to abusive behaviors, etc. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:52 PM
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"See how someone else committed abuse, too? Guess you feel real silly for taking abuse seriously. If too many ppl do it, it kinda doesn't matter anymore." Yikes. Is that what you think the point is to comparing statistics? She dated a man. That's her behavior. She dated many toxic men. Now she's faced with a choice: Figure out what she's doing wrong to keep attracting toxic men or just punt the accountability football and call all men toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:51 PM
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No, it would be trying to devalue the issue. Setting the two statistics side by side for the sake of comparison would be devaluing the 'men are the problem' issue? Well, I'm glad you seem to agree with my predictions then. His behavior is the problem. Both of their behaviors are the problem. What a silly conversation this has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:22 PM
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Glad you acknowledged that it would've been whataboutism. It would technically be an exercise in putting things into perspective. You could also say it's disarming your rhetoric. Either would be true. Awesome. Then we agree that it's his problem, and not her fault. We agree that his behaviors are his fault. We don't agree that she is faultless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:02 PM
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up to 1 in 3 men have been abusive toward a woman in some way Does it also say how many women have been abusive/violent toward a man in some way? I bet a comparison between those numbers would reveal that "1 in 3" is actually quite disciplined, relatively speaking. But that's off topic. I am not responsible for his behavior or the harm it causes. Nope. Just your own behavior and the harms it causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:28 PM
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I think you're the one assuming that there aren't. In any case, you're responsible for choosing to date toxic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:46 PM
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Where did I assume that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:55 AM
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None of these are smart observations. What's important though is taking the right actions, even if for the wrong reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:52 AM
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Stopping is probably the most responsible solution for someone who would sooner declare all men toxic than to recognize the errors in their own actions, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:47 AM
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If i encounter many toxic ass am i responsible for them being toxic and me noticing it? No, but if you encounter and date many toxic ass men then you're definitely responsible for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:57 AM
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Why are so many women obsessed with this idea that their sisters do absolutely nothing ever? And don't they realize that their completely untamed rhetoric only serves to undermine their own credibility as functional adults? At this rate we're going to have to bring back the fainting couches soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:52 AM
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"Why do you blame men when you responsible for your actions" It's a legitimate question. And then they complain about female hypergamy as if they just didn't convince to not tolerate many men. Hypergamy isn't "avoiding men who display patterns of behavior".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:34 AM
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Keep in mind, the door dash girl and her ilk are convinced that she was "sexually assaulted" when she took pictures of an unconscious naked man in his own home and then posted them on the internet. Bizarro world is seemingly missing some of its dictionaries and/or denizens.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:17 PM
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Men simply bring less to the table (in general), and that's why they are ones who are more interested. This would be a much more meaningful observation if it weren't for the cultural expectations that men be the ones to express interest and initiate, and that those expectations far predate any women trying to argue the case that "men bring less to the table".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:46 PM
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A woman is the one that decides whether you get to hit it. And are women generally attracted to men who put them on pedestals? Use it as a motivating force. Instead of trying to get rid of it. Can you show me where I suggested you need to get rid if it? Or why using it as a motivating force would be mutually exclusive with not wearing it on your sleeve?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:58 PM
2

Are you asking if I've ever met any self-proclaimed political lesbians? Or if I've ever met any women whose mentalities would qualify them as such?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:42 PM
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See: political lesbianism It's a well-documented social phenomenon with its own flag and everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:23 PM
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The problem here is not that you're hungry. The problem is multifaceted, as the sentence preceding the above demonstrates. His problem is that he is a fucking mess and needs to get his shit together. And also possibly that he sees women as though they're superior to him. On pedestals, if you will. Such that if not corrected he'll still have issues inspiring attraction in them even after he gets his shit together. "maybe you were never hungry to begin with, why not pretend like you're not hungry"…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:57 PM
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Telling men not to put women on a pedestal is like telling hungry people to think about something other than food. It's more like telling hungry people that begging and flailing in desperation are not effective ways to acquire food.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:38 PM
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They add a lot of unnecessary misogyny. But that is likely done more of as a marketing stunt. If anything it serves to fundamentally change a man's mentality about women so that he can remove them from the pedestal he has them on in his mind. Which is probably the single most common and most important problem men struggling with women need to address. Will some men overshoot the target? Absolutely. But it's not like misogyny itself is a major impediment to sexually succeeding with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:04 PM
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every shred of data we have says...women are less violent. Except against children and domestic partners who don't fight back.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:09 AM
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Only if they consent to have them - just like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:50 PM
0

I think you're probably incorrectly assuming things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:58 PM
1

Just think of it as Darwinism in action. Every now and then you need to cut the fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:09 PM
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The fact that it gets punished on men tells you how much society actually values femininity. This doesn't speak to how much society values femininity. It only speaks to how society feels about men accessing the benefits provided to femininity. If society "protects" femininity as special, why does a man gaining feminine traits lose status instead of gaining access to something valued? Because he's a man, and feminine protections are meant for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:47 PM
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Rape is non-consensual sexual activity. I thought you said it was "coercive tactics and other behaviors which undermine consent". Which could potentially include things like, say, a guy fibbing about his income, or a woman wearing makeup and a pushup bra.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:16 PM
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If I asked you to define the word rape would "coercive tactics and other behaviors which undermine consent" be in it? If so, then I'll just say you're playing a very dangerous game with that word.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:19 PM
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it doesn’t mean we have to be supportive of your ideas We don't need your support. We will have you get out of our way as we resolve these things though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:22 PM
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The W doesn't stand for "women" unless you're using the more humorous "Men Getting Tired Of Women" version.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:22 AM
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Rather than men becoming more radical I think it'd be better if they just...stopped engaging seriously with women who have themselves become hopelessly radical. Focus on making them the butt of the joke instead. The single most effective tool to shape women's behavior isn't force, it's shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:56 PM
2

Here's a chart that shows how men are inherently better at grip strength than women simply by virtue of having a Y chromosome.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:33 PM
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This culture is NOT women's fault. Even though they make up half of it? Do you ever get upset when men joke about women's complicated relationship with accountability? Because it seems like you might be fundamentally agreeing with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:04 PM
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Women bear the reproductive load. Glances at birth rates across the first world That's a very debatable statement at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:52 PM
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Who is protecting their ego from what? Women. From the reality that their singleness is not intentional. Why do you think women are lying when they say they want to be left alone? Not lying per se. They're just leaving out the asterisk with the footnote that reads "except by the men for whom we, in quiet desperation, wish would not leave us alone". I'm not "a child" for telling you to piece your own thoughts together into a coherent argument Didn't say you were.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:42 PM
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explain it to me like I'm a child Alright. Ego-protection is the "good reason".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:14 PM
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Good reason is present. See: Ego-protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:04 PM
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You must necessarily believe then that women never conceal their desires behind ego-protection mechanisms. Or you're not engaging in good faith. In either case, I have nothing further to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:01 PM
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I didn't ask you what the phrase means. I asked you if you think all of the women who say it genuinely prefer solitude over any other alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:10 PM
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Are you under the impression that all of the women who cite "wanting peace" are saying they desire solitude over any other alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:50 PM
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we can be passive AF, and still have offers for dates. None that you like though, which you'll moan about endlessly and/or mask with narratives about men "competing with your peace". Ultimately the two primary drivers of women's passivity in dating are cowardice and ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:37 PM
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We're talking about women who say they have casual sex, which includes women who enjoy casual sex, and also women who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:57 AM
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And an even smaller percentage of the women who claim to have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:38 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if most women were cool with men just "laying pipe and going home". That's just not a reflection of the real world, it never has been, and it never will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:28 AM
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It doesn’t automatically mean he’s compatible for a relationship nor that she wants a relationship with the man. Maybe not automatically but it'd be highly unusual if she didn't. Most women who actively participate in casual sex... Are retroactively rationalizing their failed and covert pursuit of a man's commitment as something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:15 AM
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any thing you see from women online is only rage bait for engagement. You're not helping to fight the stereotypes about women and accountability with sentences like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:33 PM
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They should communicate how the tattoo is making them feel. They're doing that and you're calling it a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:00 AM
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Would you rather your partner inform you first that a thing you're going to do is a relationship-ender or just be ghosted?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:21 AM
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Oh. That's considered a deformity? I mean, I'll grant that it's not exactly appealing, and presumably the origin of the "fried egg on a nail" jokes. But to quote women: "So long as it works..."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:20 PM
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The idea is sexless with her or sexless alone Within the parameters of this specific hypothetical, I'd choose sexlessness with her, but only because there'd probably be some other utility in her presence that I may as well maintain access to, and only because "sexlessness" is a constant with either choice. Even still, I'd only ever see her as a friend/roommate, and I'd likely not feel compelled to engage in any forms of intimacy with her, including the "fair game" ones. In real life though, sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:35 PM
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I can't think of a single scenario where this doesn't sound awful unless she's ok with me touching genitals with other women. It'd still be a sub-optimal arrangement though. I'd rather just focus my time on those other women at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:28 PM
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Sounds awful. How do you build a life with someone who doesn't want to be intimate with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:40 PM
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When's the last time you recall humans being deterred from doing a thing because it's a waste of energy? What you're witnessing is just physics. Cause and effect. Extremism begets extremism. We've understood this concept as a species for millennia.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:47 PM
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We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless. How many decades have we endured this type of gendered ideological zealotry from feminists and why is it seemingly only time to pump the brakes now that men are starting to play copy-cat on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:15 AM
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We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless. How many decades have we endured this type of ideological zealotry from feminists and why is it seemingly only time to pump the brakes now that men are starting to play copy-cat on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:14 AM
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Is it the same thing? If your answer is no, then I'm glad we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:36 PM
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For how much time the OP insists they spend mulling over this issue, their example appears to suggest they're not any closer to understanding it. "The logistical challenges of fitting your big dick in my ass are insurmountable" is not the same reasoning as "I don't want to do things with you that I did with my ex(es)".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:13 PM
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Cool. Then you're also a statistical anomaly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:21 PM
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Sure, I do see an issue IF a woman did make that decision without his input. I would think she is a fool. Would you oppose men being granted legal protection from the allegedly statistically anomalous women who would do that? Or are you trying to say that because they're statistically anomalous, we should just sweep it under the rug?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:17 PM
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the decision is made between the couple. It's "made between the couple" when the decision itself is mutual. It's made by the woman when it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:09 PM
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The vast majority of men are making that choice in conjunction with the woman already. If this is you saying "the vast majority of pregnancies are planned and agreed upon by both parties beforehand" then no, I don't think that's true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:48 PM
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Let men decide when they want to be fathers in the same capacity that women get to decide when they want to be mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:40 PM
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Just don't have kids First you'll need to empower men with reproductive rights on par with women so that we can make that choice. Until then, your platitude is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:21 PM
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Then leave them and add another line to the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:02 PM
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It's on them to read your mind and know that you want them to tell you their kinks early in so you can decide to leave before being invested and feeling pressured to do stuff you hate? Do I have that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:44 PM
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Then the onus is on you to communicate that to them. "Here's the list of ways I will never compromise for you."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:28 PM
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Is it just sexual incompatibilities that you'd rather be ghosted on than given an opportunity to compromise? What if the relationship isn't 'early in' when the incompatibilities are discovered?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:19 PM
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They can just say they don't think we are compatible. You'd complain that they're "coercing" you with threats of breaking up if they did that. See how this works?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:33 PM
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Don't try to argue with them over it You'd complain that they're "ghosting" if they did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:22 PM
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It is, assuming the man is the only one making "a fair try". Which lets be honest, is not an uncommon scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:13 PM
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So then you should see how "wants to believe...unable to face the truth" can potentially be just as much to blame as "being strung along", depending on the specifics of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:49 PM
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If it's obvious to third party observers then it'd be difficult to argue that she's not willfully feeding the dynamic in some capacity at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:41 PM
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I'd need a lot more information about both individuals before I could make a reasonably accurate prediction. Given that you say it's been going on for years then it could very well be both, with each one feeding the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:52 PM
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But can we at least agree that stringing someone along is a cousin to ghosting someone Only so long as we can also acknowledge that there's a significant difference between "being strung along" and simply "not getting your way" and be vigilant to not conflate the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:18 PM
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Men decentering women is good. Men decentering families probably won't be. Not the first time it's happened either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:46 PM
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I'd say men already are starting to leave women alone. I suspect the "male loneliness epidemic" is a lot more voluntary than the typical PPD narrative would suggest. All of the data points on the topic seem to suggest it's not that men are failing, but simply that they're not trying. And when men don't try to form relationships, relationships don't happen. Which increasingly leaves the women who want relationships in a position where they either have to become the initiators themselves (lol) or …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:15 PM
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Why would you need my definition To further illustrate the point that men don't want serious relationships with women who believe that men think "wife" is (borrowed from another poster): code for a servant woman who’s dumb and naive enough to let them get away with whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:50 PM
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I think it might be more illuminating to my point if you gave your definition. After which I'd be happy to offer mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:23 PM
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So one, why should women want to be wife material if doesn't seem like men want relationships? Do they not want relationships? Or do they just not want to make wives out of women who scoff at the idea of what a wife is?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:14 PM
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Nope. I encourage them. See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:31 PM
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I'd be careful about making claims like "95% of men acknowledge to having used coercive methods to get sex from women!" or "the majority of men aren't even offering the basics!" and then accusing other people of engaging in contentless rhetoric. I'm not one to frivolously report people though, so you're probably fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:44 AM
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It's why I strictly engage with PPD for the entertainment value. You'll drive yourself up a wall trying to debate any of the women here seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:41 AM
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Keep it coming. I fully support this process.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:09 AM
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Saying the majority of men aren't even offering the basics and further, trying to link "the basics" to "being less abusive" as though the majority of men are abusers are all implausibly radical things to say, yes. And the more these radicalized women shout those things, the more readily they'll come to be recognized as radical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:11 PM
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"Didn't care for her" is her interpretation. Without his you can't really know if her interpretation is accurate or not. There are women who are very well taken care of who will tell you that they weren't. Human nature. Trust, but verify.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:03 PM
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the majority of men arent even offering the basics It's important that more people see women saying these kinds of implausibly radical things. Sunlight will ultimately be this problem's best disinfectant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:36 PM
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Then he was a total piece of shit. Might have been. But it would be premature to assume before we heard his side of the story, as we so often forget to do after a woman tells hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:23 PM
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Perhaps you're simply having trouble comprehending it. But I'll respect your unwillingness to and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:42 PM
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Just holding up a mirror to your statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:29 PM
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Is it fair to limit women's problems to "being catcalled"? Is it fair to limit men's problems to "not being able to have sex"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:03 PM
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"Being catcalled is not the same as women harming men." Fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:59 PM
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The ones that give way to the more radical manifestations of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:46 PM
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Mankind collectively failing womankind's collective shit tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:39 PM
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"I'm all for addressing women's problems, so long as they never try to implicate men as part of them." Fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:13 PM
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Yeah, this is a pretty bad look. I hope the other mods address it internally.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:04 AM
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I've never heard of a man trying to explain trying to hide his cheating as "you can't handle the truth". But if she asks him if this dress makes her look fat? Or if he'd love her if she were a worm? Or who he thinks is the prettiest woman on Earth? Or if he thinks her friends are attractive? Or what he's thinking about when she's expecting him to be thinking about her and he isn't? Or if he's too tired to have sex on a day that she's feeling insecure about her body? These are all truths that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:14 PM
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I can't wait for society to address that third one. I don't care if it means both parents get a choice or neither does. I just want to see the inequity of it resolved. Dragging men into parenthood with the justification "it's for the good of the child" while simultaneously defending a woman's right to end said child for her own convenience is just...a wild glimpse into the times we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:57 PM
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I'm sure they'd think to put the "factory reset" button somewhere less...inconvenient in the production models.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:29 AM
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"AI voices could never replace real voice actors!" And then it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:15 AM
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"Women do stupid things because men are bad." Got it. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:21 PM
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Yes. It doesn't even address it, let alone counter it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:13 PM
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You repeatedly say that women over look negative character traits in favor of dating a hot guy. And you think you're countering this statement by saying "looks do not correlate with character"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:00 PM
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I imagine that likely applies to a lot of the women here as well. But that's off-topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:36 PM
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What sort of dumb decisions? All of the ones she made because the guy was hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:37 PM
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I'll give you a generic example because that's a pretty broad question: A woman makes a dumb decision about a man because he was hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:22 PM
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Should we? Depends how much value we see in maximizing the number of productive men invested in the future of their societies compared against women (and inevitably men) having the unfettered freedom to act on their mammalian instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:41 PM
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The men you date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:13 PM
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The mimicry isn't effective, though. Doesn't change what they're mimicking, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:46 PM
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Insofar as the mimicry is efficacious, sure. Why not? All's fair in love and gender wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:38 PM
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(men online are the ones asking for “empathy” for their dating woes. By which they usually mean agreement that everything is women’s fault lol) I wonder where they learned "blame the other gender for everything" from? Is this what it looks like when chickens come home to roost?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:21 PM
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Be careful pointing it out. You might get hit by the mods for "contentless rhetoric".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:35 AM
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"Pick me" is just what feminist-minded women call any woman whom they perceive to be a "gender traitor". Which depending on the woman, can be as innocuous as "doesn't see/treat men terribly".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:42 AM
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Men who want virgin women are going to err more on the side of the black pill than the red. The desire is usually motivated by the men themselves being virgins. They just cloak black with red because "I want an exceptionally traditional woman" sounds better than "I don't want her to be a lot more experienced than me". Which is fair, given that women are generally put off by a man's inexperience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:56 PM
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So by that logic, do you understand when women criticize “men” the “not all men” argument is stupid Only if you think nuance is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:45 PM
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I mean, just reading what you said about the plot I can already tell it's going to be a feminist-fueled commentary about abortion or something along those lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:03 AM
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What was the last novel you read by a female author? Uh... Hrm... Harry Potter? Wait, I didn't read Harry Potter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:50 AM
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Nah. I have too many hobbies that require upper body strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:38 PM
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"They were rude first" is not a statement somebody who wasn't rude at all would speak. Also keep in mind that while you can disable your post history, yours in particular isn't disabled. So...people can see what you've been typing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:55 PM
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You can either deny that you're also being rude or attempt to justify it. You just tried to do both.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:49 PM
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Men see women who are like that like that, and women like that are not few in number. So if you don't want to be seen like a woman who needs to be managed then don't be a woman who sees any sense of duty like it's an icky obligation towards man children. And on the other note, it's a horror story for me to be in relationship out of duty. That's fine. Just be upfront about it. Because ultimately it's a horror story for men to have to manage "dutiless" women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:36 PM
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I think women know duty. Clearly not all of them do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:44 AM
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It's untenable to treat a woman (or any person for that matter) who sees duty as a meaningless self-affliction that she'd prefer to avoid as a reasonable or reliable human being. So she needs to be treated differently - i.e. "managed".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:21 PM
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Well then perhaps you have the answer to why red pill men: basically build relationship on the idea that you need to "manage" woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:52 PM
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The secret to eternal happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:55 PM
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No point overthinking it. Victimhood has become a form of social currency and various groups are competing for the power that comes with it. "Men" are just the most recent contenders in the storied history of exploiting that dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:33 PM
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To see what what looks like? To see certain groups of people going to ridiculous lengths to establish their status as 'victims'.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:17 PM
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I think that’s because of the pathetic tone that a lot of men are taking on the Internet these days. They are so desperately trying to make themselves out to be victims that it just becomes a bit ridiculous at a certain point. Well, at least you finally get to see what it looks like from the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:54 PM
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Nobody forbade her from existing. They're just saying in their opinion and experience that she isn't worth waiting for if she's not onboard relatively quickly. Which is generally true for men who aren't desperate. This shouldn't even be a controversial take. Women are always saying "If he's interested he'll do something about it", right? Why shouldn't men see it the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:14 PM
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Gotta reach the same level of infamy first. And persist through all the temporary suspensions (which I know lillith has).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:43 PM
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I've found this method to be reliable with women. They will much more readily acknowledge, agree with and even lament the unflattering patterns of female behavior if you can make them believe that you think they're an exception to said patterns. "The sisterhood" is incredibly fragile.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:25 PM
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They're a PPD content generator. They get a lot of leniency because they generate a lot of traffic with their daily rants about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:56 PM
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Women's entire social (and not just dating) strategy is rooted in plausible deniability. And also colonization. As once upon a time demonstrated by this meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:10 PM
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No, I just confirmed through the link you provided that your definition of "incel" is both proprietary and informed by a group of people who call themselves "The Anti-Defamation League". Which explains...a few things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:38 PM
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NUH UH! Yuh huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:32 PM
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Third sentence from your link: “Incel” is a portmanteau of “involuntary celibate.” Lots of married men are involuntarily celibate. Have a great day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:19 PM
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That's literally what it means. If you have your own proprietary definition for it (as we can see below) then that's your own business.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:56 PM
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Lots of married guys are involuntarily celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:55 PM
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Tell that to all the deadbedroom people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:41 PM
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You cant even name them. You can't even acknowledge their possibility, and therein lies the irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:29 PM
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Because you cant Why do you think that? Is it because you think women can't cause their own issues? If so, then that just feeds into the irony even further.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:12 PM
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I could but it'd be off-topic, and I'm more focused on reveling in the irony right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:50 PM
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Do you not recognize your own words?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:20 PM
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No, you're proving mine. Because if I told you "women can't admit that women caused women's issues" you'd immediately recognize it as an attempt to excuse men from criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:45 PM
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men caused men’s issues In a thread where you're arguing that men hate criticism you'd just boldly excuse women entirely as a source of men's issues? That's kinda ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:18 PM
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Be a woman who offers more than just her youth and beauty to men and your relationships with them will be a lot less unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:19 AM
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If you're talking about their ability to build a career or things to that effect then sure, they don't peak in their 20s. But insofar as being seen as optimal candidates for men to produce healthy offspring with, yeah they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:41 PM
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Women: "Only men benefit from marriage." Also women: "I deserve half of everything he ever created and subsidized my life with."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:21 PM
5

That's where the MGTOW-based phrase "the juice isn't worth the squeeze" comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:36 AM
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Ask any bisexual man which gender is easier to date in their experience. They'll all give you the same answer. Then take that same question and ask any bisexual woman. They'll all give you the same answer too. Then compare the tumultuousness of lesbian relationships vs gay relationships. Suffice to say there are a lot of data points about this that all seem to point in the same direction - that women are difficult. Granted I don't think this is news to anybody. It's just a sensitive topic to tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:23 AM
1

Mockery of incels existed long before "online" was even a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:47 PM
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There are some women who spend an unhealthy amount of time "doomscrolling" manosphere stuff, and we're watching a lot of those women sabotage their chances at having good relationships with men in real time right here on PPD. Ultimately though I see that as a problem of their own making.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:05 PM
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So either they are liars to you or they manipulate women and don’t care. And use the redpill to excuse their behaviour. Is this your best attempt at critical thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:00 PM
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they should be more proactive in resolving the issues blocking that from happening. You've just assigned a duty for women towards men. This will not be received well - and therein lies the fundamental problem that men are facing with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:02 PM
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Would women be fine with men actually quantifying the value of motherhood/home making so that they could be fairly compensated, or would that be a whole radioactive can of worms in and of itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:26 PM
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That means that women didn't want casual, and didn't agree to it... And yet they still had it. That's the point. Also why the premise of your OP fails. Men aren't sharing a small number of valuable sluts. Women are being sluts for a small number of valuable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:43 PM
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The women decide if they want to do casual. Incredibly rarely. In the overwhelming majority of cases, the women who have "casual" sex don't realize it was casual until later. Which is the mechanism behind the never-ending cavalcade of "he used me for sex" complaints coming from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 04:53 PM
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With enough efficacy that women spend a lot of time trying to defend against it. Which contradicts the notion that it's unlikely to get a woman who doesn't want casual sex to have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:49 PM
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If that were the case then why are there so many discussions among women about how/when/why to offer sex to try to ensure they stop getting played by players?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:22 PM
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Most men want casual sex, and there are only few women who want it consistently. So men competing for their attention and attraction. Men don't limit their pursuit of casual sex to women who are looking for casual sex, so I'm not sure why you'd rest the entire premise of your argument on the assumption that they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:05 PM
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Answering (or more specifically, avoiding answering) questions with questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:20 PM
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The women who think men don't want women who want good men are the women who define "good men" the same way that femcels define "bang maids".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:06 PM
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The latter is literally the manifestation of the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:05 PM
1

And more duty-bound. Which...speaks to the other poster's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 03:21 PM
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The average woman is overweight and over 30 Whose problem is never that she can't generate any interest at all, but that she can't generate any interest that she's happy with. Which defeats the notion that "men don't want average women".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:29 PM
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If everyone had the choice to not work dangerous jobs then why do so many men work and die doing dangerous jobs? Ask the guys on crab fishing boats why they're risking their lives. Contrast that with women who think their offspring are violating their "bodily autonomy".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 01:49 PM
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Pregnancy and birth often leaves injuries that take months to recover from (and sometimes you will never fully recover). How is that different from a man who breaks his body over a lifetime working to provide for his family?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 12:13 AM
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Likewise vis a vis how much 'the manosphere' upsets the women who say they prefer bears.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:24 PM
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Unless in her mind his pushing boundaries is indicative of his irresistible desire for her which is basically the primary theme of women's erotica.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:32 PM
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Pedos can be anyone straight or gay. Nobody said they couldn't be. Just bc they use an argument similar to gay peoples reason for liking same gender/sex doesnt mean the arguments are equal. Does the LGBTIQCAPGNGFNBA (I had to Google the most current one) community generally advocate for the normalization of an ever-expanding list of sexualities or doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:34 PM
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I am of the train of thought that sexual freedom which is something LGBTQ+ people preach is on the opposing side of predators. Remember when there was a push to stop calling people "pedophiles" and start calling them "minor attracted people" because "it's wrong to shame people for what they're sexually attracted to"? That came straight from the LGBTQ+ community.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:17 PM
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Are women equals to men or are women beings that men require special permission from to ask questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:32 PM
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DV numbers already show that in more than 70% of the cases when only one partner is being violent (non-reciprocal violence), women are the perpetrators. The data is there. We're just still struggling as a society to acknowledge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:53 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:48 PM
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Yes, but I think if we're looking to reduce perceptions of dishonest-with-their-motives men then recognizing a scorned woman's ability to make post-hoc rationalizations about a man's intentions is going to address no less than half of that problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:25 PM
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If they care more about sex than anything else they should be honest they just want sex or casual sex You're underestimating a scorned woman's ability to make post-hoc rationalizations about a man's intentions, and how meaningless his honesty can be in the face of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:19 PM
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Or enjoy fictional women too much. I'm having a huge laugh with the DLSS5 memes going around right now. Sure, right now it's about hating AI generated content, but just you wait. It'll be about "causing unrealistic beauty standards for women" soon enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:46 PM
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Pandora just can't help but keep opening boxes, can she?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:37 PM
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They indeed typed the word "no", and you misinterpreted it spectacularly. I'll just leave the comment chain to speak for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:34 PM
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They didn't deny that there are abusive men. They said there are just as many abusive women as there are men. Which somehow you managed to interpret as them saying "there are no abusive men at all and neither are there abusive women."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:47 PM
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This is exactly the type of analysis these daily compulsively posted topics deserve because they're getting really old at this point. Bravo, sir.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:44 PM
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but its not as easy as just "count calories and you will be slim". If you do that and you move your body enough that you're burning more calories than you're consuming, then unless your body is somehow exempt from the laws of thermodynamics, then yeah it is. some people are genuinely sick and cant just "snap out of it and stop being lazy". Yep. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:28 AM
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Is it your opinion that because a metabolic disorder makes someone more prone to obesity that obesity becomes an inevitability beyond their control? If so, then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:10 PM
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No, I'm just not convinced that "makes it easier to store fat/harder to burn fat" is a sufficient excuse for obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:59 PM
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makes them fat no matter how careful they eat. It seems strange to me then how much faith humanity puts in the laws of thermodynamics if women with metabolic issues are allegedly able to defy them so easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:34 PM
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Why do so many men have the urge to tear her down? Or women for that matter! The second the self-declared beautiful woman leaves the room she's going to get absolutely eviscerated by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:28 PM
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So his choices aren't being respected then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:35 PM
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What specifically about those things causes a woman to unavoidably eat so many calories while burning so few of them that she becomes obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:06 PM
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It becomes oppression when men say "you don't deserve to want what you want. you should tolerate less". So then are you saying that the solution to your "oppression" is to just spend less time on Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:19 PM
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Who is going to be accountable for all of the random trolls on the internet saying mean or contradictory things about women? I think that's what the OP wants to know. Not it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:37 PM
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Just take note of how often they employ the phrase "men here" in their posts, and also how frequently they post here for the most probable answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:29 PM
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The crux of all of this is that no, men aren't going to handicap themselves in the pursuit of their own interests so that women can have an easier time pursuing theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:12 PM
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Absolutely not. Easier isn't always better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:48 PM
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Lillith's protégé.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:15 PM
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I know this level of nuance will be lost on you Your position doesn't appear to be particularly nuanced. men's idea of respect is hierarchical in nature AKA DEFERENCE So is yours if it's your opinion that respect is something to be earned and not just given "because women/men". Men ARE NOT superior to women and we will not "submit" or defer to a man because he is A MAN. No, you'll submit to him because he earned your deference, and because the chip on your shoulder regarding "patriarchy" hasn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:26 PM
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NOPE respect is earned Would you say that to a group of feminists chanting "respect women"? Or is this rule actually more selectively applied than initially presented?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:35 PM
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Essentially "don't want anything serious with" translates to "hates" in a lot of women's heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:59 AM
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The premise that "women shouldn't listen to men if men won't listen to women" is ultimately a petty one. If you don't want to listen to men, then don't. Nobody is going to lose sleep over that. Just like you shouldn't be losing sleep over the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:05 PM
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Bring this up in gender discussion spaces and women immediately reframe it: "that's because women know how to leave bad situations" or "quick exits are healthy, actually."* My personal favorite is when they try to attribute the statistics in their entirety to "when lesbians were still dating men", even though heterosexual relationships are statistically less tumultuous than lesbian ones. The only ones they're fooling are themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:50 PM
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At the absolute minimum, with everything else assumed to be equal, a woman is generally less rational on her period than off. Try addressing that point first, if you'd like this conversation to continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:49 PM
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everyone, menstruation or not, is riding an ongoing wave of shifting hormones all the time Does menstruation generally intensify those waves of shifting emotions or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:48 PM
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Literally confirming my point The feeling is mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:24 PM
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How much more rational are men than women, on average? At the absolute minimum? Whatever the offset is between a person who frequently experiences the hormonal fluctuations that come with menstruation and a person who doesn't. I think we agree that people of all genders are, individually, rational some of the time and emotional some of the time, aye? Of course. As far as averages go though? I think it'd be extremely difficult to call it a wash.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:44 AM
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I told you that relative to women, men are generally more rational. You point to an example of a man being irrational as though it disproves the above. It doesn't, because I didn't say "men are never irrational".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 06:34 PM
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Relatively speaking, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 01:31 AM
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Aren't those women always saying they're not wearing the make up for men, but for themselves? Why should men pay for women's personal hobbies?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:31 PM
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I think men are already starting to have higher standards. They're raising their standards in that if women are going to treat relationships like a transaction, then men are starting to expect the terms of those transactions to be explicitly outlined and to reserve the right to terminate without penalty should they not be met rather than tolerating vague ambiguities. Which I think helps to explain why marriage is in decline and sugar babies/daddies are on the rise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:10 PM
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If we want to approach the problem as though women don't have any agency and can't help but only ever follow their animal instincts then sure, we can task the men they gravitate towards with the responsibility of managing those women's behaviors. The same way we expect dog owners to. ...Do we want to do that though?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:11 PM
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Honestly, I think the number of women who actively gaslight is a lot lower than the number of women who just have incredibly efficient rationalization hamsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 01:42 PM
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What matters is what the quick sex represents. Just like how what matters is what the man paying for the date represents. You wouldn't say that the woman who disqualifies a man who doesn't pay for the date believes the free meal was all that mattered.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:14 PM
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one. There you go then. how many times did you give me a way to talk about men without you dismissing it? One. See below. Based purely on the posts I've seen coming specifically from you? Not without first learning to become a little bit less confrontational yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:32 PM
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because i did talk about men and you blamed me for doing it like a femcel How many times have you typed "typical male reaction" so far?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:27 PM
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so you confirm that i shouldn't talk about men When I say it's your prerogative to do something, I'm not telling you not to do something. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise. and that there is no way for me to talk about it so you would treat it non-confrontationally. Based purely on the posts I've seen coming specifically from you? Not without first learning to become a little bit less confrontational yourself. But again, I don't think non-confrontational debate is the goal here. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:21 PM
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I think the only reaction you're actually looking for is "You're so right! Men are just awful!". Which is... fine. It's just not something that deserves the "debate" tag. Because right now it seems like i should just not raise issues at all. Do whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:59 PM
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It's only off topic if, as another poster put it, you're: looking at the situation like you're rooting for a team. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:15 PM
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I think your post and your replies are written perfectly for the intent that I suspect they carry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:04 PM
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The thing is that i try to point out, it's off topic. If the topic is in-group bias, and the goal is more than just to rant about men, then comparisons to women's in-group bias is absolutely not off topic. You simply blame me for not letting you switch the topic and present yourself virtuous by doing so. It's not switching the topic. It's putting the topic into perspective. It's just that in doing so the conversation loses its value to the woman who just wants her "men are terrible" views reinfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:53 PM
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I have no idea what are you implying That you likely can't accept criticism without attributing it to your "men are wonderful" idea. "you shouldn't talk about men at all". You shouldn't talk about men the way a femcel in maximum "men are terrible" rhetoric mode might, but only if the goal is to be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:04 PM
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How should i talk about men's issues so that you woudn't call it "but men"? I think everyone here is waiting (with bated breath!) for you to answer that same question vis a vis "men are wonderful".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:48 PM
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The standards for the "debate" tag have definitely declined. Rarely will you find one where the OP is actually open to having their views changed. This OP being a perfect example. I think the mods are balancing between enforcing the rules and making sure their subreddit has free flowing content. If you spend enough time here you'll see that there's a handful of very compulsive posters who are basically given a pass for breaking the rules because they create so much content for PPD. Disappointing…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:40 PM
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And you're "confirming" the "men are wonderful effect" if you challenge their bleak views of the opposite sex in any capacity. Ultimately they're just here to buttress their own increasingly extreme biases. Best to just stay out of their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:27 PM
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Your entire premise is "but men" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:03 PM
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At this point, I’m done playing the “good girl” role for a payoff that never comes. I’m entering my hoe phase and prioritising my own experience instead of trying to fit an ideal that men say they want but don’t actually choose. And do you think that hoe phase will get you closer to or further away from your stated desire for "something serious"? I'd hate to see you sabotage yourself, but I suppose some women need to experience first-hand the reality that all that glitters isn't gold, so to spea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:24 AM
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The problem is men taking that statement too literally, even if that's too fucking obvious. The problem isn't her wildly overblown rhetoric, but the way that men react to it? glances at the title of the post
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:37 AM
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Does that should make me feel better when i can't literally make any point about men in a way that they would listen? Let me ask you this... If a guy was complaining that women never listen to any of the points he has to make, and that it's because of the "women are wonderful" in-group bias effect, would you agree with his take? Or would you maybe suggest the reason why nobody is taking him seriously is because he needs to work on his ability to make points worth being taken seriously? Food for …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:56 AM
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I wish bloops would come up with some original thoughts of their own, rather than just clumsily gender-swapping red pill talking points all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:54 PM
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She's their main source of content at this point. Without her daily compulsive rants about men this place just wouldn't be the same. When someone is willing to spend so much of every day of their own lives creating traffic for your subreddit, you let them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 03:29 PM
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This is the most liberal interpretation of the phrase "baby trap" I've ever seen. Would a woman who says "men aren't 'locked in' until they propose" then be "marriage trapping" men? Or are they just pointing out that proposing is an unmistakable expression of commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:05 AM
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When someone tells me they were sexually assaulted, I believe them as there is very little incentive to lie. Being believed by default seems like a pretty good incentive. Especially if you have it out for the guy you're lying about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:19 AM
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Okay so we should apply the same logic to men. Already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:07 PM
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Sometimes I wonder whether women would have done the same to men were the positions reversed I recall reading about a social experiment they did with elementary school students where they gave candy to the girls in one round, and candy to the boys in another. When they gave the candy to the boys, the boys shared the candy evenly with the girls. When they gave the candy to the girls however, the girls only shared it with the popular boys. Wish I could find it. Was from a long time ago. But yeah, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:40 PM
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everything women do is justifiable and out of protection not out of hatred to men. Alternatively, it could just be what happens when cripplingly neurotic people try to do risk assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:49 PM
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Or of her being a shit communicator. Hard to say, assuming we're not being biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:52 PM
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Not sure why I got downvoted You invoked negative feelings in one of the resident femcels.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:58 PM
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I just read a few threads there and...yup. Sounds accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 07:51 PM
1

It wasn't until the mid 1960s that credit cards became a widespread thing to begin with. In the interim women could use other peoples' lines of credit Betty and Wilma style and never be obligated to pay it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:49 PM
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The real tea is that a lot of women often cant attract a half decent man because they're barely half decent themselves. It's bizarre that this is considered a hot take. We can immediately acknowledge that a loser man can't get women because he's a loser, but when it comes to a woman struggling to find a decent man there's always some convoluted reverse uno reasoning used to shield her from any blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:12 PM
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Propaganda is a hell of a drug, and women are seemingly twice as susceptible to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:00 AM
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Interpreting everything as an attack even when it’s just facts is unhealthy. Can't be restated enough. "Women care about money" will be read by so many of the women here as "Women are a bunch of amoral gold diggers!", and the marathon of tilting at windmills that it provokes in them makes the prospect of any meaningful discussions extremely unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:13 PM
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However you'd respond to me if I asked: "If feminism is so great, why are nearly all feminists insufferable man-hating crazy cat ladies?" is the same response that your question deserves. So feel free to answer your own question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:47 AM
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It'd cut down approximately half of the bad faith bullshit that goes on around here I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:40 AM
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They shouldn't, assuming "not pulling his weight" is an objectively true statement and not just her way of deflecting all of the blame for a dysfunctional relationship onto the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:32 AM
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There's a lot of bitching in both directions. One would have to be willfully ignorant to believe otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:08 AM
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often reveal that they see relationships as the cost of sex, not the goal itself. There's something to be said about so many men starting to feel this way about women. Maybe when (if?) we get past the "everything is men's fault!" phase we can start more openly discussing why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:49 PM
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The one I use for PPD? She'd probably tell me while holding back her laughter that the femcels I like to poke fun at have it hard enough already.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:01 AM
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Why would what she did before you matter? Why would the womanizing he did before you matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:39 AM
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murderous rage isn’t an emotion we often get unprovoked. It's only because their flailing fists don't carry much risk of murder that we don't call the unprovoked rage they frequently experience "murderous". I invite you to look up the statistics on which gender is overwhelmingly more non-reciprocally violent towards the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:32 PM
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And yet there are so many forms of violence that don’t kill you. Here are some interesting statistics on domestic violence. Its only purpose is to minimize the lived experiences of millions of women who have been subjected to abuse in their homes. It's par for the course that introducing perspective to something will "minimize" somebody's feelings about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:00 AM
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You do realize that women are in the most danger from intimate partners right? You do realize that sentence is utterly misleading when you don't put it into perspective, right? The odds of a woman being killed by an intimate partner is roughly on par with the odds of dying in a plane crash.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:16 AM
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Cool. Assuming he's made it absolutely clear he's on the same page as you vis a vis you doing the proposing then I'm not sure why you care what reddit thinks in the first place. Go get 'em tiger.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:43 PM
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We’ve talked about at length Talking about the idea of marriage at length is not the same as talking about the idea of the woman being the one doing the proposing. Hope that helps!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:41 PM
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I think most bisexual women would very strongly agree with this. So would the fact that the more women there are present in a relationship, the higher the risk of DV seemingly becomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:14 AM
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In the post it’s explicitly clear that the marriage is something you’ve discussed and planned together. Doesn't make her doing the proposing any less weird. Why is adherence to gender roles so important to you? It's more about being put off by how important not adhering to gender roles would seemingly be to her than gender roles being important to me. If you want my advice, you should be probing whether or not he'll be OK with you springing a proposal on him. Assume at your own peril.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:09 AM
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I don't know what that is. I just know that pretending men are women has insidious consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:06 AM
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Off the top of my head? Championing putting men in women's bathrooms/sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:29 PM
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Feminism is notoriously non-violent. Which is not an excuse for its insidiousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:54 PM
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I'd see it as her being impatient/desperate, or possibly as her having an ideologically motivated fixation on arbitrarily dismantling gender roles just for the sake of it. All red flags in their own respects.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 07:43 AM
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So long as we continue to pretend that there's no such thing as "acting single" then we'll never get anywhere with these discussions. So women can go ahead and dress like sluts while in relationships, and men can go ahead and keep libraries of thirst traps in their social media feeds while in relationships, and we'll just keep pretending that both behaviors are totally innocuous and that their partners are just being "insecure" or "controlling" for not liking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:04 AM
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The solution ultimately lies in men taking back their dignity and refusing to tolerate/enable all of the stereotypical Disney princess entitlements we've allowed to fester. No more "I am the table" nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:41 AM
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Was going to say... If you could just convince women to resist the more unscrupulous aspects of their natures then history wouldn't look the way that it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 05:30 PM
6

Remember "enjoy the decline"? That includes watching men start acting like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:07 PM
5

Guess the description fits then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 03:37 PM
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Femcels usually don't describe their celibacy as "involuntary" but... you tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 03:26 PM
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Pretty much the only way to be a femcel is to be grossly obese. Honestly, I think this is changing. I bet most of the more prolific femcels who post here are, in fact, not grossly obese. It's their mentally unstable and terminally online takes about men that are starting to do the heavy lifting as man-repellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 03:00 PM
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You're right. Men often do have problems maintaining their dignity in this respect. All the more reason to keep spreading awareness about the pitfalls of dating single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:46 AM
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I didn't use it as a justification for only slut shaming women. I just added the missing context.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:16 AM
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Former hoes get married all the time. They sure do. Over and over again, and never for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:05 AM
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Highest DV/lowest DV rates respectively as well. Also, in straight relationships with DV where only one partner is being abusive, more than 70% of the time that partner is the woman. The way all of these separate data points end up pointing in exactly the same direction really is fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:12 PM
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Obviously women have their struggles. But keep in mind, this is also the gender that likes to say motherhood is the most difficult job on the planet. Sometimes putting these things into perspective is necessary - even if it offends them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:54 AM
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Tit for tat.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:38 AM
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There are also the manosphere with propaganda full of hate against women. Do you think that just fell from the sky? Or do you think maybe the decades of feminist propaganda full of hate against men that preceded it helped to lay that groundwork?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:04 AM
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I've seen my fair share of "nerdy" women plopping themselves into a group of male gamers looking to become "queen of the simps", but I wouldn't go so far as to say all women who game are motivated by this. Definitely a recognizable phenomenon though. If I had to give a controversial take, I'd agree that women generally aren't interested in video games. As in, they don't play the game because they like the game. The game is just the medium that enables social interactions, which is what they're u…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:50 PM
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They said "feminism is stronger than ever". Perhaps they meant to say "feminism is stronger than ever, except in America", but they'd still be wrong. What's funny is that in a different context, one where acknowledging rising anti-feminist sentiments globally doesn't defeat their own argument, they'd readily agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:31 PM
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Nope. Just reign in your crazies. Lest you end up grouped with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:34 PM
1

You tried to argue that feminism is stronger than ever. I gave you an example of feminism suffering a major loss. You tried to move the goal post to "the rest of the world". I asked you if you think anti-feminist sentiments are limited to American men. Which you avoided answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:30 PM
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Do you think the manosphere in general is limited to American men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:42 PM
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Roe vs Wade.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:34 PM
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It would absolutely be for men's (and also feminism's) well-being that the reasonable feminists put a muzzle on the radical ones. They're the only ones who can - barring the baby and bathwater method that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:32 PM
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You want your rights handed in a silver platter lol Nah. We just wish the more reasonable feminists would put a leash on the radical ones. Barring that, there's always the option of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Which we're already seeing signs of.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:21 PM
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Google Erin Pizzey if you want to see what happens to people who try.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:09 PM
5

The official statistic is that women account for approximately ~50% of domestic violence when it is reciprocal, and more than 70% when it's non-reciprocal (only one person being violent). So I wouldn't even say that men are more violent in context to the opposite sex. Just that their violence leaves more evidence. And also because there's a significant subset of people out there who will use the fact that women's violence is less potent as a reason to excuse it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:43 PM
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Just this year 300,000 black womrn were laid off of their jobs. And...is that supposed to be indicative to you that said black women are being "colonized and oppressed" by single childless men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:31 AM
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They state the half truth that they're "happily single". What they're not telling you is that they're only comparing "happily single" with the worst possible caricature of a shitty relationship, which is ultimately a coping mechanism for the fact that they're absolutely not happily single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:04 PM
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PPD has become a place to watch the terminally online women slowly self-destruct after themselves having overdosed on too much red pill content.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:05 PM
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The "nice guy" strategy these women use to permanently excuse themselves from offering reciprocal effort is brilliant. Sociopathic as hell, but brilliant.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:34 PM
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but if you offer solutions to make it safe then I'll listen. That's nobody's prerogative. If you don't want kids because it'll affect your body aesthetically, then just don't have them. You've got your priorities figured out already. All you have to do is stick to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:14 PM
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pregnant women already have the main cause of death as homicide A true testament to how safe we've made pregnancy through medical advancements.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 03:21 PM
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Please elaborate on how you came to this twisted conclusion. It's just the standard (and ironic) "women are just objects, slaves to the will of men" angle that they trot out whenever they sense that they're about to be pinned with the consequences of their own free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 03:08 PM
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Girls 12-22 have been internalizing narratives about "patriarchal oppression" for generations at this point. It oughtn't surprise us that men would eventually start participating in the same pathological behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:07 PM
1

Ultimately the only reason to ask women this question is to have them help you realize that asking women this question is a futile endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:45 AM
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sexual health coach for men. The ol' prostitute's gambit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:03 AM
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Babies are made when women say "I want a baby". They're not made, and sometimes even unmade when women say "I don't want a baby." Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:43 PM
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Address the man's unilateral choice to nut The various penal codes that exist for rape and the complete lack of societal expectations that a woman be made to carry the baby. Or were you using the word "unilateral" incorrectly?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:38 PM
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And that it's male orgasms that lead to babies And totally has nothing to do with any of the choices that women unilaterally make in the process, right? This is why the jokes about women's complicated relationship with accountability exist, and the punchline just keeps getting funnier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:07 PM
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This is ironic, because men don't decide whether or not babies result from sex. Women do. Exclusively, in fact. So who's really refusing to take accountability by saying "men create single moms"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:32 PM
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I wouldn't call it "wisdom". More like an exponentially accelerating sense of angst and the various strange, often self-sabotaging behaviors that accompany it. Looking at the "4B" girls. Was there something about the premise you disagreed with? That as far as sex is concerned, any woman can get a man? Or was it just the tone you didn't like?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:47 AM
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I've never known a slut's behavior to be explained by "she just really likes men!". Though I can see how it might appear that way from the outside. It's being validated by men (plural) that they like, often in a "my father never loved me" type of way. Which is a critically important distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:34 PM
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I got one of those the other day as well. Also in the past someone tried using my name in the PPD discord (which I've never been to) to pose as me and try to get me banned from here for "doxxing". The femcels are getting a little bit angsty it would seem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:26 AM
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I'm thinking more Blade Runner than "asexual".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:16 AM
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Did you know that 1 in 4 women take SSRIs? Also, did you know that one of the more common side-effects of taking SSRIs is paranoia? Women were historically a whole lot more likely to experience bad things in the past than they are "lately", and yet they're seemingly more paranoid about it than ever before. I suspect all of these facts are related to one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 03:23 AM
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Needs to be seen though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 03:06 AM
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There are many women, myself included, who really wish men would stop telling each other "Happy wife happy life." That mindset puts women in a position of having to be the project manager of the relationship If you had to tip toe around a man's ego and always promote his happiness so that he doesn't take away yours, would you interpret that as him being made to be the "project manager" of the relationship? Or would you just see him as a petulant and abusive manchild?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 02:02 AM
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This logic needs work, because arrogance isn't a word defined by the subjective feelings incompatible people have about each other's self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:37 PM
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Not at all. Hence the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:47 PM
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I see a lot of men offended by women having self esteem Are you sure it's self-esteem and not just abject arrogance? *ah shit, someone already addressed this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:25 AM
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Nothing is unclear. You just gave us a funny PPD moment is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:39 PM
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Everyone thinks women are overreacting to everything, even doctors don’t care about our feelings and will even claim actual physical ailments are just our feelings! Do you think doctors just hate/not care about women that they'd put their medical diagnoses ahead of women's feelings? If you believe so, then you may have just helped to explain why "everyone thinks women are overreacting to everything".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:48 PM
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The difference is that men are whining about women not caring. Literally next sentence: I don't think most men are even capable of caring. I love how silly this place can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:31 PM
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I asked you to point to where RP says "women are evil". You pointed at incel rhetoric. "The men here saying women are evil!". Then you said "I didn't define rp based on incel rhetoric".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:39 PM
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No women I know... Sounds like a sample size problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:29 PM
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The view of men here is that any woman can get a man... Do I really need to finish that sentence for you? ...for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:26 PM
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I didn’t define rp based on incels When asked where the red pill says "women are evil" for being what they are your response was "look at what the men here say!". So yeah, you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:23 PM
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If you can't define feminism based on femcel rhetoric, then you can't define RP based on incel rhetoric. "But look at what the men here say!" as a response to the above just tells me that you either can't comprehend what should be a very simple point, or that you don't intend to engage with it in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:58 PM
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And where in TRP's general philosophy about women does it say that "women are evil for doing/being x y and z"? If you say "RP men say that" then you're going to have to go back and actually answer my original questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:40 PM
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Would it be fair if I went and pulled a bunch of contradictory femcel rhetoric about men to accuse feminism of inconsistency? If not, then why do you think it is with RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:58 PM
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The attitude I see from women on here is that they are fine being single. Because the only thing more embarrassing than a man admitting he can't get women is a woman admitting she can't get men. Which is why you'll very rarely ever see a woman frame her singleness as "involuntary".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:35 PM
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It's humorous to me that your statement requires the "on this subreddit" qualifier to not sound utterly backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:06 PM
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She said he wanted her to chase him, but she's the one who was griping about him being "cold and distant"? Smells fishy. Wish we could hear his side of the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 04:43 PM
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That’s interesting bc someone else just commented saying he’s a straight conservative man and I’d make a perfect wife Well, maybe they'll be your best bro. I'm not saying there isn't a market for guys who like guys who are "trapped in girls' bodies". In fact I don't doubt there are fetish communities that focus on exactly that. They're just probably mostly populated by bisexual men. Maybe that's an obstacle for you, maybe it isn't. so you’re telling me that if you find a woman very hot, you woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:53 PM
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It's so strange how one moment it's "women were enslaved and oppressed throughout history", and the next it's "women have always had the final word!". Pick a narrative already.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:43 PM
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What I’m asking is what is the problem with having a hot woman that you have tons in common with that behaves just like a male friend or a brother and you treat like one except you also have sex with them? What about this is a turn off? The part where they behave like a male friend or a brother. You know how when women say "I'd never have anything but platonic feelings for him, he's like a brother to me!"? That's exactly true for men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:19 PM
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You tell us. Didn't you say all those best bros tried to change you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:24 PM
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I don’t know why men are so opposed to the idea of someone you enjoy spending time with and also get to have sex with. They aren't. It's just that straight men aren't wired to have sexual feelings about and start families with their "best bros".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:15 PM
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The concept of "best bros with benefits raising a family" would indeed probably only resonate with gay men. Quite the catch-22.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:20 PM
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Do you expect romance? If so, what do you expect that to look like, given your preference to be treated like one of the guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:33 PM
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It's a fool's game to lead with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:21 PM
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Women tend to be on their best behavior until they get a ring put on it Or a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:06 PM
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Most people don't think about problems at a societal scale, the consequences thereof and the countermeasures needed to mitigate them. It doesn't surprise me though that the ones who do are primarily men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:37 AM
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Christian ethicist, technically.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:46 PM
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It means that sometimes people's feelings become dissociated from reality and they become consumed by their own ridiculous "gotta win this internet argument" rhetoric. Be it the MGTOW man lamenting that all women are gold digging divorce rapists in waiting, or the 4B woman lamenting that all men just want mommy bangmaids to subjugate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:58 AM
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Why do you think women feel mistreated to the point that they decide not to date and be single? For the same reason the DoorDash girl feels like she was sexually assaulted because she saw an unconscious man's penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:29 AM
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Yes, men had lines of credit which women could use, but had no obligation to repay. Hence the humor in Wilma and Betty's flippant use of it. "Women couldn't have credit cards" is what we call a "half truth".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 06:52 PM
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Without being a co-signer, the debt that a woman created was always the man's obligation to pay. The phrase "Charge it!" from The Flinstones was so iconic because of this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 06:45 PM
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"Women couldn't have credit cards!" "Men were obligated to pay all the debts that a woman incurred." Both were true, but only one ever gets mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 06:19 PM
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Therefore I'll fix it and get myself one. You're going to be disappointed that this "male" body you've created is still thoroughly outdone by the ones that nature made. I only say that because it seems like it'd suck to not realize this until after you've done all the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:45 PM
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We really don't see enough people talking about how badly women are infantilizing themselves by doing this type of stuff. They'll be traumatized if they're accidentally seen naked, and now we're finding that they'll also be traumatized if they accidentally see another person naked as well. Do we need to bring back the fainting couches? They seem to be making a strong case for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:12 PM
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women’s initial “lack of accountability” problem will quickly delve into “lack of agency” problem; and as a result of that, completely backfire against women. This is exactly my suspicion as well. Seems like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" might need to be updated as "The Feminist Who Cried Misogyny" soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:43 PM
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So does her birthday. Or their anniversary.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:36 PM
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But, wouldn't the logical thing to do in such circumstances ... Inform the law enforcement authorities of the incident, and not broadcast the whole thing on social media. So far we've been told by the women here that she might have been "preserving evidence" on tiktok because the police can't be trusted with it, and that she's not a lawyer so she didn't know that opening the door to another person's home, taking pictures of them naked and passed out on their couch, and then posting them on the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 02:42 PM
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The good thing is it gets a lot of exposure. The only way to raise awareness about how pathological women's in-group bias has become is for things like this to make headlines, and for the women to react exactly the way they are in this thread so that men can see it with their own eyes. The more unhinged the defense, the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:49 AM
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They never lose arguments like bad drivers never miss their turns.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:05 PM
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"He was drunk.", stated officer Sam. vs "Police stated that he was drunk." Are you telling me one carries more weight than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:48 PM
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First stupid, then malicious. The stupid part was invading the man's privacy in his home, taking pictures of him naked and then posting it online. The malicious part was trying to spin it all into a story about sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:41 PM
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I think there are probably better, more legal ways to preserve evidence than to dox people on tiktok.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:23 PM
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I see articles summarising that police stated that Right. Because that's what news articles do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:19 PM
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Where is that evidence? Ring doorbell video which the police have stated shows her doing so, combined with common sense. If the door had been wide open when she arrived like she claimed/took a picture of, then why would the doorbell video show her pushing it open?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:05 PM
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Well, the evidence in this case shows that she pushed the door open and then lied about the state of the door when she arrived. Would you say in this case she's being written off as a liar? Or just...that she's a liar?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:47 PM
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You applied and then agreed with your own biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:33 PM
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In a way that doesn't lay bare your biases about men's motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:01 PM
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Frame it that way if you'd like. Goes perfectly with the "passport bros are child sex traffickers" narrative you've got going.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:42 PM
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This is the mentality that men need to continue to push towards. Not necessarily immunity to women's shaming, but taking their shaming far less seriously. Shame is a useful societal tool when applied prudently. Unfortunately in being so, it's also ripe for abuse by those who would use it for their own personal benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:38 PM
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Extremely bad idea to bring a woman back to a culture that the man felt the need to leave in order to find worthwhile women. She's just going to assimilate, which utterly defeats the purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:47 PM
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Per your OP: They invariably are repulsed, or don't actually want it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:01 AM
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A virgin. Only thing I can think of, but far from the same level of universality as the examples you gave for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:12 AM
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It's not quibbling about the definition of father to say someone who went LPS isn't a father. Is he the biological father of the child in question? Yes? Then what you're doing is quibbling. Moving on. I do not agree with banning an adult or soon to be adult child in that situation from making that inquiry. The proposer does. But I do think the egg or sperm donor coming in after the child is an adult is an asshole move on their part The assumption is that the kid wants to find the father, not tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:34 PM
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You are claiming the mother is barring access to the father—those are your words. Those are the words of the proposer. "Permanent restraining order". When questioned if it would also apply after the child is 18+, or against the child's will the response was "absolutely". Feel free to read above. Look I don’t think that’s even possible once someone becomes an adult, but you’re framing it as a mother vengeful denying access to a “father” is fundamentally inconsistent with LPS, which ensures there …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:32 PM
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You must not be using the same definition of "attacked" for both scenarios then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:16 PM
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The narrative of the mother not allowing the child to know their "father" is nonsense. It's literally the proposal the other person made. "Permanent restraining order against the father, even against the will and/or well-being of the child even in adulthood, unless the father pays the mother a large sum of money first, because otherwise that would be unfair to the mother." The "devouring mother" archetype taken to its extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:33 PM
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I know. I think the "fat women are beautiful" campaign is mostly dead and/or recognized for its shamelessness at this point though, and thank goodness for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:26 PM
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Oh they get attacked for it. No more frequently than men get attacked for not liking fat women though. So I'm not sure what point they're trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:13 PM
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A weirdly specific one at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:36 AM
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It's perfectly equal. You even made the "seen as a wallet" vs "seen as a maid/sex doll" comparison. If men only ever see you as a maid/sex doll, then there are two possible conclusions: Men are terrible and evil and only care about sex and all the other femcel talking points, or you're doing something (or not doing something) that makes you undesirable to men for anything else. Obviously you've chosen the former explanation. I just think it's both humorous and ironic that if we flipped the gende…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:15 PM
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I'd prefer your answer be one of the two options provided, rather than a deflection in the form of another question. Technically it was rhetorical. We both already know the answer. If a man told you "based on what the internet femcels are saying, and what I've seen in real life, women only ever care about my money" the first thing that would come to your mind is that money must be the only interesting thing about this guy. And you'd probably be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:51 PM
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If a man came on here and said "Women only ever care about my money!" are you going to recognize that as an indictment of women, or of the guy making the claim? Be honest now...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:55 PM
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Assuming I'm not being used as a guinea pig for its long term side effects, and only as a stop gap until men are given the same offramps from accountability for unplanned pregnancies that women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:14 PM
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That's 100% what your pushback is about. Nope. It's yours. And it's bizarre, because you could replace "vengeance" with "sense of unfairness" and the point still persists that the woman would be exerting unreasonable control over other people's lives for purely selfish reasons. No wonder the kid wants to find their dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:50 AM
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You're free to believe it's fair for the father to pretend like he wants to abdicate all responsibility for his offspring; leave the other parent to do 100% of the labor completely on her own, including financially; and then waltz in like nothing happened to benefit at the end. I didn't say it's fair. But speaking of fairness, do you think it would be fair to the child that the mother would stonewall them even as adults from knowing their father because she doesn't think it's 'fair' to her that …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:36 AM
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Well it's also completely unfair for the mother "Therefore a permanent restraining order against the father should exist so that he can never reap any of the benefits of the mother's work unless he pays her all of the child support that would have otherwise been due." See how the motive seemingly has nothing to do with the interests of the child, but rather in preventing men from reaping benefits you believe to be undue? Seems pretty vengeful to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:25 AM
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Well it's also completely unfair for the mother to do everything and still let the man have any kind of way or in to have any kind of relationship with the child, which is usually the most beneficial and most rewarding after the hard work of raising them has been done. This doesn't sound vengeful to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:32 AM
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Is it objectively a good decision to accept any and all potential benefit, a previously absent biological parent offers? The answer is obviously yes, but keep in mind the poster you're engaging with previously said this: What many men do is leave the hard work to the mom, then come back when that's over (either approaching or after age of majority) and try to have a relationship with the child. But if he didn't want the child then that shouldn't be allowed either. In those cases it's obviously n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:20 AM
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And should he intentionally violate the restraining order, then the full amount of whatever child support would have been should become due in full to the mother, immediately. Like...even if they're over 18? Even if the child seeks them out themselves? On one hand, I think we already have more than enough perverse incentives out there for women to use their children as tools for vengeance against men, and that sucks for those kids. On the other though...men having reproductive choice would be pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:51 PM
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Who else is going to coordinate the 43 throw pillows throughout the house according to size and the time of year?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:04 AM
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I think Tate spends way more time in angsty anti-manosphere women's minds than in men's, and I think that's been the case ever since he went mainstream. As for why those women need the red pill to have "leaders" and they need to see those "leaders" as "losers", I couldn't tell you. Probably something to do with all the angst.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:34 PM
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As unconscious forces of nature, sure. But didn't women say they wanted to be treated like rational actors? In that context men have many legitimate reasons to be angry at women. So take your pick. Are you rational actors or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:19 PM
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Oh. Well then... To be fair, IWD came and went without my awareness this year as well, but you're not wrong that one is far more recognized than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:48 AM
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Didn't realize that was today until I read the title of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:30 AM
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Once upon a time. Nowadays it's just cheap entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:12 AM
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Indeed, you said: it's no more difficult for men to get sex than it is for women Which... I'm just going to leave alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:54 PM
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Your point was originally that hypocrisy in some capacity is defined by difficulty, and I was just exploring one of the silly ways it would apply if it were true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:15 PM
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Do you consider 5 or 6 to be "high body counts"? If not, then I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:48 PM
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you are really risking everything when reporting rape because of people like you, that would rather be on the rapists side, just in case "Rather be on the rapist's side" Bad faith argument detected. why do you keep answering if your questions are "rhetorical" lol Because the questions I'm asking aren't intended to be answered, but rather to demonstrate a point. Ergo, they're rhetorical questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:34 PM
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I'm just trying to sus out how people are qualifying "hypocrisy" because...there are some pretty wild takes going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:24 PM
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So then by that standard, wouldn't men with high body counts not be hypocrites either, because it's harder to have a high body count than not as a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:09 PM
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Do you not see it as a serious flaw in your philosophical worldview that certain victims oughtn't be believed because the crime they're a victim to is rare? Another rhetorical question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:49 PM
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Have you ever heard something that made sense to you at the time that turned out to be a lie? Rhetorical question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:03 AM
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This is exactly how it played out. They didn't go as far as saying "a woman's word should be sufficient to send a man to jail" but they were perfectly fine with it being sufficient to permanently assassinate his character.+
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:55 AM
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And then be chastised as a "victim blamer" for asking questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:42 AM
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A better idea is, “Take all women seriously.” I'm amenable to this, provided we're allowed to stop taking a woman seriously when she's definitively proven that she oughtn't be. That DoorDash woman being a prime recent example.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:36 AM
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Nothing I said was framed in a dishonest way. By framing a mutually compromising relationship as "mommy and child", yes you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:31 PM
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no one wants to be your mommy This is so disingenuously framed and I can't help but wonder why.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:16 PM
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The best relationships occur when both parties endeavor equally to put the other before themselves. Which is indeed an unrealistic concept to a mind motivated by selfishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:53 PM
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Sounds like selfishness is the root cause of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:12 PM
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I'm saying the idea that you shouldn't have a say in things that don't physically affect you is a concept that would backfire spectacularly in women's faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:35 PM
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I can’t honestly believe men who don’t even have periods or even look after kids think they have a say over something that will never physically affect them Be careful with that mentality. It could very easily be flipped on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:18 PM
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"Crickets" nothing. That's the part where the woman's emotions boil over and she just shouts "See!! You only ever blame women!".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:44 PM
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Because it's doubly embarrassing for them to admit. Imagine there's a pickle jar that neither a man nor a woman can open. Who between the two is going to be more embarrassed about/likely to create excuses for their inability to open it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:34 PM
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Men say it jokingly because they can handle a little bit of self-depreciating humor, not because they're glorifying recklessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:08 PM
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they’ll sleep with women who are manipulative, selfish, or even abusive, and act like it’s just fun or excitement. And they'll come out of it saying "don't stick your dick in crazy", in contrast to "teach bad boys not to X". See the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:58 PM
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It's not being attracted to 'bad boys' that's the moral failing. It's their inability to resist said attraction combined with their propensity to blame the results on everyone else. Besides, "men too" isn't a counter-argument. It's a deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:17 PM
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That's a strange response.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:46 PM
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Do you think MIT doesn't have an arts, humanities and social sciences department?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:28 PM
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You're speaking for yourself. No, they pretty much nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:45 AM
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To answer the title: Because sex is fun, and the problems with high maintenance women primarily come with being in relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:38 AM
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In a culture where marriages are on the statistical precipice of failing more often than not? Absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:33 AM
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I suspect in either case, the motivation behind it is to keep new posts flowing since the activity around here seems to have dropped off a cliff lately.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:40 PM
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I don't know if they're filing it under "shit I'll throw in his face later" in the moment, but they rarely have qualms with doing so if at a later date you make them angry about something unrelated. A woman's morals are often tied to her mood. It's a tricky puzzle for men to navigate, but one thing is for sure - giving a woman ammo to use against you when she's angry is never a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 05:34 PM
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Strange that the mods are letting her break the "don't post compulsively" rule by posting ...what is it, at least 2 but possibly 3 separate posts within 24 hours at this point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:39 PM
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the issue is schools are full of women teaching I suspect this has a lot more to do with the issues men are having in academia than the Overton window will allow us to acknowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:04 PM
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Have any specific examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:54 PM
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I act in a stereotypical redpill way What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:43 PM
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Imagine not being safe anywhere you go, how the f*ck are you gonna get away since you seem like your so intelligent to ask such an question? Go into their phone's settings and turn off location.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:22 PM
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Women if they're dating psychopaths. Men if they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:42 AM
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Frankly, for how tenuous the durability of marriage has become culturally, any SAHW/M arrangements end up being an equally bad idea for both parties. Why build castles on foundations of sand?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:06 PM
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No, that doesn't contradict It does, given that "the vast majority of women are voluntarily celibate" has always been the narrative, rather than one that's only used when convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:57 PM
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I don't care what you call it. Do you at least care that it contradicts your insinuations about changing narratives? When women say that they are single there is a flood of men saying that she isn't, she fucks left and right. Well, does she? It's not like a woman being single and fucking left and right are mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:40 PM
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That's literally the original narrative though - that women can't be 'incels', and are therefore referred to as 'femcels', which is a derivative of 'emcel' or "emotionally celibate".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:19 PM
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By its literal definition, it is more nuanced. Anyway, thanks for the demonstration of my other comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 03:37 PM
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Not because you're trying to convey specific ideas that are more nuanced than just "mad"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 03:25 PM
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If someone is livid, they are mad. So then what's the point of the word "livid" if you can just say "mad"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 03:17 PM
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It's just tribalism at the end of the day. "That person isn't on my 'team' so I have to argue against everything they say."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 03:12 PM
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Are "livid" and "mad" the same word to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 03:05 PM
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The more smitten a man is by a woman, the less effort she has to put into the relationship to keep him around. Essentially those men are the "low maintenance" options.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:54 PM
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I love how well their reply to this comment accentuated its accuracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 04:53 PM
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Okay theres no point of talking to you from this point on because your cognitive dissonance is insufferable. Please try to describe how you think what I said is an example of cognitive dissonance, and more importantly, how what you've said thus far about being invulnerable to turns of phrases isn't. Theres no sword to fall on when you have proven your innocence, period point blank. Doesn't look like you understand what the phrase means, how it's applicable to what you're asking men to do for dam…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 04:08 PM
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Yes it is because im not guilty of it You're contradicting yourself here. To answer "yes" means you believe you are guilty of other women's behavior by association of being a woman. anyways im practically invincible from ever getting stabbed by any sword. ... I suspect you don't appreciate the meaning of the phrase "fall on the sword" if you think that. People who have had bad expereinces learns from them and avoid making the same mistake. Sometimes. That's hardly an adequate reason to think you…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:36 PM
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your job as a man Hmm. Is it your job as a woman to fall on the sword for other women's behavior as well? Her "damage" will never be an issue if you are innocent as many men claim to be. Damaged people don't limit their collateral damage to the guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:42 PM
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...Huh? Men can't be picky about avoiding women that may be damaged, because other men damaged them? Is this supposed to be some kind of gendered original sin?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:28 PM
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One in four relationships have some form of domestic abuse. Of those relationships, approximately half are reciprocally abusive, and the other half are non-reciprocally abusive. Of the non-reciprocally abusive relationships, women are the perpetrators of said abuse more than 70% of the time. How does this figure into your theory? Or does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:06 PM
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I own a gym and I can confirm that our demographics used to primarily be older people just looking to get some cardio done. Now the demographic has shifted significantly younger, and significantly towards free weights/strength training. Business has never been better either. Silver lining to this hopelessly vain culture I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:50 PM
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I'm describing about what I witnessed and saw first hand. And then trying to ascribe it onto the words of other people even after they've corrected you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:46 PM
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"Actually it's men's fertility on the shorter clock." What motivates this stark departure from observed reality? Is this women's new frontier in self-deception? Or are they just trying to flip the script on what they feel is a hurtful narrative about their own limited windows of fertility without actually believing any of it? I hope for their own sake that it's the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:47 PM
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Thats why i stopped having these discussions with people. It's why I've come to treat PPD strictly as a form of cheap entertainment. It's a place to witness how wildly out of touch with reality people will allow their rhetoric to become to support whatever "team" they think they're fighting for. Like toddlers debating whose dad would win in a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:26 PM
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To me that is very telling about how they really feel. If you create a system where perceptions of oppression take precedent over merit, then people will inevitably start questioning whether or not the beneficiaries of that system have equal merit. And why wouldn't they, given the nature and implications of said system?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:13 PM
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All modern relationship problems are seen through the lens of "men aren't enough", yet it's just as valid to say "women are too much" - but that is never said. That's a really good summary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 03:42 PM
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What feminine cultural norms are harmful to men in the workplace? HR departments.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 03:40 PM
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Protip: 50/50 they were the abuser. Technically 70/30.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 02:55 PM
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We had a thread yesterday insisting that it's men and not women who have biological clocks. This is the state of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 03:54 PM
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I've long since acknowledged that PPD is strictly a place "for the lulz".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 03:20 PM
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Making wildly false statements is certainly one way to grab attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 03:07 PM
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I don’t see anywhere in the OP where they state that women’s fertility doesn’t decrease with age. It's in the title. "Men are cooked, new study shows men are the ones with the biological clock, not women"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 01:34 AM
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I must be underestimating how profoundly this topic affects some women's psyches if this is how far removed from reality they're willing to go to soothe their feelings about it. I don't think the utility of that kind of self-deception could ever outweigh the potential consequences that it invites, but maybe they know something I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 01:21 AM
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Technically I used what you said against you. It's a good thing that men are more capable of dealing with violence, given that we expect them to absorb women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 02:26 PM
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Men are more dangerous than women Thankfully so, given that women have a tendency to commit a lot more one-sided violence against their partners with relative impunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 09:54 PM
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Man never have to worry that woman will beat him for fucking sake. Non-reciprocal intimate partner violence is actually an incredibly common problem with women. We just excuse it because of the perception that men "should be able to handle it". When only one person is throwing punches, the odds are really good that it's the woman throwing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:52 PM
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If a woman is overtly interested in him, he might just go along with it for the free sex and never have any intention of anything serious. This makes for the perfect cover story for the women who never want to put themselves out there and risk rejection by expressing overt interest, so...you're welcome? For almost all men, the ideal endgame is finding their version of a Disney princess they want to spoil and commit to. That's the spoiled Disney princess's ideal endgame, not men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:35 PM
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I don't have to read any further And I know you won't. I'd just be cautious about accusing others of speaking in bad faith, given that fact. Have a great day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:53 AM
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Women have always had a choice, and men have always been held accountable for those choices. In a world where men are women's custodians, that's a perfectly reasonable dynamic. That doesn't describe the world we live in anymore though. Men have long since stopped being women's custodians. It's time for women to stop attributing accountability to men as though they still were. But as far as being on topic goes: Over a million women in the U.S. bailed on their responsibilities to their kids in 202…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 08:54 PM
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People who are forced to have kids that they don't want make HORRIBLE parents. Ironic then that we force men to be fathers. That's another topic though. Women absolutely leave their kids. It's just that the ways they do are sanctioned by society, which we should apparently "be glad for".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 06:04 PM
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Women don't leave their kids They abort a whole lot of them though. Surrender a whole lot of them to social services and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:27 PM
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Why do you suppose women who were cheated on end marriages at much higher rates than men who were cheated on, given that both genders cheat at approximately the same rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:25 PM
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They are fucking mean. Incredibly cruel to autistic women. They will make entire group chats to talk about how much they hate a woman because she didn’t follow the exact correct social steps. Or because they decided to superimpose meaning on to what she has said. Are you trying to say that women are especially cruel to autistic women for those reasons? Because you could remove "autistic" from the above and it'd still be perfectly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:10 PM
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Most men don't offer a good relationship that's what you men are missing. Humorously enough, if I typed that same sentence back at you, but with "women" instead of "men", you'd call it sour grapes. Something to think about. Why do you think women initiate MAJORITY of the divorces. If we're to believe the usual narrative that the resident blue pill women often throw around here when confronted with those statistics: "because they submit the majority of the paperwork, irrespective to who initiated…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:22 PM
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If it's coping mechanisms we're talking about then we should probably start with the sentence "most women are choosing to be single". Putting aside the utter statistical inaccuracy of that statement, even the women who say they're choosing to be single will tell you that being single is the disappointing consolation prize to being in a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:46 PM
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Most women aren't choosing to be single, and the women who loudly proclaim their singleness to be a choice they've consciously made have approximately the same level of credibility as the kid in high school who insists he has a girlfriend that goes to a different school.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:57 PM
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How did that look? What were women doing to persuade men to marry them? Dropping handkerchiefs and making eye contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:17 PM
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What responsibilities do men have that women don't have? Women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 04:56 PM
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Overall spending: Single men outspent single women. Men spent an average of $41,203 a year as opposed to $38,838 by women. It’s important to note, though, that the median earning data from the Census Current Population Survey found that overall, women are paid about 17% less than men. So despite allegedly making 17% less than men, single women still spend approximately ~94% as much as single men? Fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:08 PM
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Honestly I think this sums up the incel position quite well "I am going to refuse to take the high road until every woman I interact with takes the high road before me". It sums up the position of more than just incels. They're just the loudest subcategory on men's side, just as femcels are the loudest subcategory on women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 09:32 PM
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Nope, by sluts they hate everything. Hating the idea of being in relationships with sluts is not the same as hating sluts though. You've probably had sex with slutty men you'd not want a relationship with. Does that sufficiently demonstrate that you hate those men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:29 PM
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Give us an example of what this might look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:48 PM
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I see extremely little empathy from red pill men to the challenges women face. The lack of empathy you see among men towards women is the byproduct of the same problem that has existed in the opposite direction for a much longer time. We'd probably be solving both problems if we addressed the original one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:38 PM
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By sluts? Yeah, I could see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:16 PM
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"No woman has been triggered by the word 'slut' since the early 2000s." Astonishing. How do people type shit like this and not realize how badly they're affecting their own credibility? I'm glad they do, I just can't help but wonder how they don't catch themselves in the middle of typing it and think "maybe I should tone this rhetoric back a little bit so that people might take me more seriously".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:29 PM
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Well apparently the young people are losing their ability to appreciate the nuances that differentiate two similar concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:13 PM
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Like I said i use well executed evidence to support my claims. Have you ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:07 PM
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Remember how many women were watching Tate content? Probably the same concept. Rage porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:47 AM
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I suspect the popularity of "red pill" spaces grows exponentially not based on its advice about becoming the best "Chad" you can be, but on its unabashedness in calling women out on the types of things you mentioned. It was just an obscure 'Chateau' (I wonder how many people get that reference) back when it was just about getting fit, learning game and being the best "PUA" (pick up artist) you can be. Now it's becoming something more like a vehicle for men to air their grievances about women, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:15 PM
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Why wouldn't you want someone who is as ambitious or as successful as you? Because I'd want kids, and ambitious women often have 101 reasons not to have them. Also because I already have the success part covered, and another chef in that kitchen would be unnecessary. I'd rather they be good at things I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:21 AM
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There isn't, and you've already figured out why. Women don't listen to men. We've really gotten ourselves into one hell of a Catch-22 with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:53 PM
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I don't know what 4B is -- someone enlighten me. It's basically WGTOW for South Korean women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 06:41 AM
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Option 1 unless she has a problem with me having sex with other women, in which case option 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:08 PM
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Seems foolish. You'd think some of the biggest beneficiaries of civilization would be more invested in its continuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:46 AM
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Never have I seen a single woman complain that men don't want her. That's because they'd never word it in a way that might invite personal criticism. Instead it'll come out as "men are trash and only want one thing" or "where are all the good men?" or something to that effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:37 PM
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I don't know. See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:12 PM
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I don't know. Is there or isn't there one? The narrative on that one always seems to change based on the convenience of the person invoking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:41 AM
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I'm sure they do, and I'm sure it's approximately as useful as the advice they get from the fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 12:10 AM
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they also will dismiss married men's opinion Because what boils down to "happy wife, happy life" is more a coping mechanism for the man who had to sell his boat than it is a form of actionable advice for men who want to catch fish. Patrice O'Neal did a whole bit on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:32 PM
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Actions show that women would rather do neither but that the ones who would will, despite their vehement denial, tolerate being one more than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 07:16 PM
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Probably to delineate how actions speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:04 PM
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you expect any woman to say mistress to a king? Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 02:54 PM
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What's PPD without intellectual dishonesty though? Once upon a time the women of PPD would say "the red pill only works on insecure women!" now they've gone full blown "the red pill doesn't work at all!" Ultimately it hurts their credibility because even they don't believe what they're saying, and everyone knows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:24 AM
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Put a pool of piranhas behind the treadmill and you'll probably get better performance out of the person running on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 02:54 PM
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Is the Irish pale because you rarely leave your house for more than necessary reasons? Because that'd be a strong lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:28 PM
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I did answer it. It's the answer everyone would pick. That's why I thought you meant it as a rhetorical question. I'm actually kind of disappointed that this seems to be going over your head. The obvious answer is yes, orgasms make sex better. The non-sequitur is "therefore sex can't be good without orgasms". Now to reiterate after spelling it out: you might understand why trying to draw conclusions about women's enjoyment of the casual sex that they're having by pointing to studies about orgasm…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 02:51 AM
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I've already explained exactly why what you think is a logical conclusion is actually a non-sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:16 AM
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Assuming "valuable to you" is in the context that a woman would want to be valued, neither would be very valuable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:40 AM
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Lets point out that Adam also made the same mistake from the same ignorance, yet men aren't telling each other that their gender should carry any blame for it. It's not about blame. It's about warding against being led astray in the way that men are most likely to be so, which every human civilization is replete with allegories and metaphors about. Ishtar, Eve, Sirens, Succubi, Onryō and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 11:33 PM
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If there’s a “truth” you believe to this degree no answer other than the one you want will satisfy you. I don't see how this statement follows, given that the "truth" in this case is one that you yourself have acknowledged "the whole world knows".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 09:51 PM
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What do you think it will prove or show you? See my previous comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:01 PM
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I’m not sure why you’re asking women when the whole world knows what standards exist. Maybe to see if they'll answer truthfully about the things the whole world knows about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:19 AM
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The reason women say that is that the fact that you need to find someone attractive is so obvious it’s assumed. How does that make it any less inappropriate of a response to the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:11 PM
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The second one. Usually poorly, which famously always circles around to being the man's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:17 PM
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Huh, maybe I was mistaken in assuming it was a rhetorical question. Alright, well then my answer is the one that's so obvious that the question would be mistaken as a rhetorical one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:41 PM
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Soft prostitution Prostitution in essence, but not in name. Also I answered your questions above please in good faith answer mine. My responses were based on the assumption that the question you asked was meant to be rhetorical. Was it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:50 PM
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Because what's not to enjoy about a soap opera full of crazy characters with whom you can interact?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:34 PM
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I know quite a few men over the years who have 'given up' but changed their tune once they got romantic attention. MGTOW had a phrase for this: "One blowjob away from going back to the plantation" or something to that effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:15 PM
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No So then you might understand why trying to draw conclusions about women's enjoyment of the casual sex that they're having by pointing to studies about orgasm frequency would be a non-sequitur. Anyway, it seems my answer was unacceptable to you, and not because it is "proved not" [sic] by any reasonable standards. My prediction was correct. If you'd like an alternative answer to "because they enjoy it" though, would "soft prostitution" be acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:03 PM
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How about we start with determining whether or not we think an orgasm is the only criteria by which all women judge sex to be good or not first, just to make sure everything that follows isn't a non-sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 11:42 PM
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And there you have it. How do you prove that "women don't enjoy the casual sex they're having", by the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 10:15 PM
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We can, but you won't agree. Example: Maybe the sex actually is good?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:57 PM
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Would you think of a man who jumps from woman to woman to woman as being equally valuable to you as a man who very carefully and deliberately invests his interest? If not, then are you "incentivizing misogyny"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 04:46 PM
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Isn't that a question for women, then? Clearly they're doing it, so clearly men are bringing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:59 PM
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Yes. Women want casual sex because they like sex too, and because they have nothing to gain from being motivated to induce artificial scarcity in its supply to men. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:49 PM
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"Because women like sex too and their treating it like a tool/currency to get what they want is just a figment of men's imaginations." Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:21 PM
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Like what harm is this doing? Physical and mental, per the warning labels on the bottles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:41 PM
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Just pondering whether or not our artifices are doing more harm than good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:07 AM
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Sounds like hormone replacement therapy is causing all kinds of weird and confusing problems. I wonder what we should do about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:41 AM
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I'm not seeing the point of the pictures. Are you trying to suggest that appearances are what determine a person's sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 04:38 AM
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That sexuality is entirely dependent on genitalia and not a combination of factors? That "straight sex" is categorically the only kind of sex that biological males and biological females can have with one another, no matter what they identify as.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 04:24 AM
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So if you’re a man and you’re into him, you’re straight? If you had sex with them it'd be straight sex, because appearances aren't what determine a person's sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:12 AM
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Would sleeping with a trans man make it straight sex? If that trans man is a biological woman, then yes. Just like it would still be straight sex and not bestiality if that trans man identified as a golden retriever instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 02:55 AM
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Some may say your question in and of itself is gaslighting. Glad somebody said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:29 PM
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That would be your latest misconception.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 10:28 PM
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You just gave three examples of the goomba fallacy, for which "that doesn't happen" is often the only appropriate response. No wonder you keep hearing it. I see no evidence of the phrase being used for gaslighting purposes as a response to those particular questions in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 06:07 PM
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But we would need to know the question to know if "that doesn't happen" was actually used in the context you're suggesting that it was. I suspect maybe it wasn't. I suspect there's nuance getting left out, and maybe ironically so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:46 PM
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this happens This as in the below? For example there is a lot of shaming women with high body count, calling them low value, trash, laughing stock etc. I've asked a question related to it and the answer were "that doesn't happen". If we don't know what your "question related to it" was then we can't know in what context to take "that doesn't happen". I suspect your question carried more presuppositions than just "women with high body counts get shamed" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:22 PM
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I know. Hence my suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 02:12 PM
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I have a feeling "That doesn't happen on the scale you're alluding to." is having all of its nuance taken away because "that doesn't happen" is an easier statement for the OP to call "gaslighting".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 01:34 PM
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Yep! Way fewer women have died from swimming in rivers full of hippos than to intimate partners, so swimming in rivers full of hippos is clearly the statistically safer activity to participate in! Is this what herding lemmings feels like?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 05:16 PM
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"Doing what mean girls tell you" is your own strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:40 PM
1

I typed it three times in the same sentence earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:22 PM
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You know you don't have to do everything a woman tells you to, right Show me where I made this suggestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:01 PM
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Encouraging people to socially ostracize the people who don't socially ostracize the people you tell them to socially ostracize. Mean girl behavior, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:37 PM
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Where unreliable narrators start wielding social power like a weapon.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:29 PM
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From the "mean girls"? I wouldn't, if that's where it stopped. That's never where it stops though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:15 PM
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What if they're not a categorically shitty person, they're just being accused by an unreliable narrator whose intent is to wield social power like a weapon?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:00 PM
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men whine when they're judged by who they associate with I've never seen this. I see men raising an eyebrow at women telling them they need to start socially ostracizing their friends if they don't want to be socially ostracized themselves as though that's a reasonable request. Leave the "mean girls clique" dynamic to mean girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:27 PM
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I'm surprised how upfront some of the women are being about this. They've essentially admitted that they want men to start participating in the social ostracism of other men who don't toe the line of women's interests at whatever personal expense to themselves that it entails. Basically "men should fall on the sword for our sake." I think Dave Chappelle's quote about chivalry is going to apply here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:00 PM
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People who can't retire without social security.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:53 PM
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They're certainly being heavy-handed with the "contentless rhetoric" stuff today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:44 PM
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You clearly see feminism more as a religion than a rational stance I was just thinking this as I was scrolling through the comments. You're asking them to describe ways that their god isn't perfect with predictable results.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:58 PM
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I did. I guess to make the question easier for you (and to hopefully get you to actually engage), based on your intuition alone, how far do you think what you described goes in excusing women from that statistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:37 AM
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The review states that the studies they have analysed have not given any causation for the initial violence. And my question to you is if you think what you filled that gap with sounds plausible in your mind as a meaningful confounding factor for why 70+% of non-reciprocal domestic violence is committed by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:38 PM
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That women's 70+% share of "non-reciprocal domestic violence" can be attributed to women defending themselves against their male partners who were threatening them? Does that actually sound plausible in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:09 PM
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If a guy is threatening a woman and she shoves him out of the way to escape that would count as "non-reciprocal" violence. I can appreciate the solidarity you have with your gender that you'd come to its defense with this type of rationalization, but you're testing the limits of the "women are wonderful" effect to suggest that the non-reciprocal domestic violence that women commit actually might just be them defending themselves against men who were "threatening" them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:16 PM
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They should have said "Women are more likely to perpetuate non-reciprocal intimate partner violence than men." Which is true. More than 70% of the time when only one side is being violent, the violent party is the woman. So the mental imagery of an abused woman cowering in the corner as a man stands over her with a balled up fist is actually the other way around 7 times out of 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:17 PM
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I think she probably has no idea what natural selection looks like, nor how many lucky stars she has to count that she's not subject to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:32 PM
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Two questions: One: Do you know what a "medical divorce" is and why people do it? Two: Did you know that the studies cited about "men leaving their cancer-diagnosed wives" don't differentiate medical divorces from regular divorces in the statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:31 AM
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from one person to another can you really not respect why someone would say that’s too much to entrust someone with the keys to the white house? Can you really not see how exploitable the weaponization of baseless accusations can be? If not then like I said below, give me the name of the 2028 Democrat presidential candidate. I have some phone calls to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:44 PM
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They had trials based on the accusations made via the court of public opinion. Back to the original point though, and I'll just be quick and rhetorical with this one, if you feel there's a number of women whose accusations ought to tip the scales of public opinion in favor of believing that a man is guilty absent any other evidence then could you please tell me what that number is, and also maybe who the 2028 Democrat presidential candidate will be?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:34 AM
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It wasn't a court of law. It was social hysteria via the court of public opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:55 AM
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They tried this type of justice in a little town called Salem back in the late 1600s. Didn't go over well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:40 AM
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What about multiple women - but still with no actual evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 09:49 PM
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Do you think a woman's accusation should be enough to disqualify a man from running for office? That's a lot of power to give to women. Are you sure they won't abuse it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 09:07 PM
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Don’t try to make the argument that men are so victimized that they can’t... They're not trying to steal women's bread and butter tool away from them. They're just saying that men are often viewed suspiciously around children - and that will obviously motivate many of them to avoid children. No "victimhood" narratives required. Just a simple prediction of human behavior based on incentives/disincentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:59 PM
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propagated by feminists who want to feel superior and weirdos with a victim complex Also by the '4B' types of women doing their 'crabs in a bucket' routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:41 PM
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If you say women can be shitty most people will agree Just don't say how they can be shitty, because that's where you run into problems. It's fine to say there's a problem. It's not fine to define what the problem is. Like I said, bizarre times.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:06 PM
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if they are not good people leave them alone. Don't go into the particulars of how women can be shitty people though or you'll be chastised, ironically in many cases by the very same people who say "women can be shitty". We live in bizarre times.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:53 PM
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A woman’s options never truly run out. There are some pretty big asterisks associated with this statement, but it is technically true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:29 AM
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The point I'm trying to make is that men don't need to make the distinction between hookup material and relationship material until long after they've approached, such that there won't be a distinction in the way that they approach. They're out to "rizz" as the kids say, no matter what category the woman will ultimately fall into.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:59 PM
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Men don't need to decide on the spot if a woman is just hook up material or if she's worth long term commitment. That's something we decide later as we learn more about her. So no, there's no real distinction until she's demonstrated to us that there ought to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:51 PM
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Raising a kid isn't suddenly worth a million dollars because you're married to a millionaire. Bold this statement right here and send it right to the top of the comment chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:30 PM
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Don't like it don't get married Seems to be the smartest move. Now if we could just address the equally out of touch "common law marriage" stuff in the places where that's a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:26 PM
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I think there's an important distinction not being made here between a woman infantilizing a man, and a man wanting to be infantilized.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:44 PM
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force him to go and get treatment I'm just not seeing how a woman forcing a man to see a doctor is an example of a man wanting to be infantilized.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:41 AM
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I'm sure men are notorious for not meeting women's standards of cleanliness or frequency of doctor visits. I don't think those are very good examples of men wanting to be infantilized though. Got anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:46 PM
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There is no greater proof against male superiority than its need to constantly assert itself. There's no greater proof for male superiority than the feminist notion that women only don't do X Y or Z "because men won't let them". Round and round we go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:45 PM
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Lol so every men just learns to manoeuvre around the dysfunction Women want us to infantilize them, but they don't want us to do it in a way that makes them feel like they're being infantilized. The red pill summarizes the above as "amused mastery". A bizarre but ultimately necessary skill for men who would date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:18 PM
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Women, pre and post menopause, will always have more options than the average man. Quantity of options for women is utterly unremarkable and they'll tell you that themselves. It's the quality of their many options that declines.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:50 AM
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You suggested that because women have more in-group bias, they're the only ones calling men out on shitty behavior. In-group bias doesn't compel women to call out men. It compels them to not call out women. I see you already disagreed on that point with another commenter but your rationale isn't very compelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:28 PM
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Because we have more in group bias, we are the ones calling only men out on shitty behavior I moved the word "only" forward a bit in your sentence to more accurately describe the problem that an in-group bias creates.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 04:44 PM
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one third to one half of women experience sexual assault at the hands of men. You're combining "sexual harassment" and "sexual assault" into the same "thing" happening to women to get numbers like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:24 PM
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Chesterton's Fence Oh cool, I never knew there was actually a phrase for this idea that society has seemingly discarded in favor of what I call "pathological progressivism".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 12:40 AM
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With a man they have to 'push' into marriage? Seems like a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:54 PM
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Young and pretty is ultimately just a proverbial foot in the door. If the only value a man brought was his money, and he was in a constant state of fear about being taken advantage of by gold diggers, whose fault is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:36 PM
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Am i doing that? You probably don't think so. Which to many will be seen as a concerning counterpoint to the idea that humans have any business being moral relativists, but that's another topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 07:39 PM
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Should you be able to murder strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 07:18 PM
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somehow it's always when My body has to go through something That's because only yours can do the thing being discussed. If men could get pregnant, the same would apply to them and their bodies. I guess sometimes nature isn't fair. When yours in question you somehow remember about choosing for whom you'd sacrifice what and when. Trying to compare not donating a kidney to a stranger with being allowed to actively snuff out the life of a human whose existence is directly owed to your actions is an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 07:03 PM
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Be careful not to hurt yourself doing these giant leaps of logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:10 PM
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who gave you right to decide which life to save? Why would I need to be given the right to oppose other people murdering their own children?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:03 PM
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I already answered at what threshold I would donate a kidney. Where's yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:29 PM
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If I had a kid and they needed one, I'd gladly give it. Would you not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:11 PM
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At the price of the convenience of those who would otherwise undo the lives of unborn humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 04:59 PM
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To others its like voting whether or not unborn humans have a right to life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:47 PM
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it's a kind of conditioning One that's often and easily overcome (for good or bad) in the presence of "ripped".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:19 PM
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You can rationalize resisting what you're attracted to as you've just done, but that's not the same as not being attracted to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:51 PM
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Do you not think there's a difference between being cautious, and being neurotic?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:52 PM
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I don't know what relevance your statement has to the importance of being able to distinguish between caution and neuroticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:46 PM
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I'd have provided an example if my statement needed one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:58 AM
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All of this reads like a revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:16 PM
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You'd have a point if it weren't for the fact that women seem to be struggling just as much in dating. Creating arbitrary minimum numbers of dates/months before having sex thinking it will combat being 'pumped and dumped', flocking to gossip/doxxing apps to figure out if they're dating the same guys, bluffing about swearing off men with movements like 4B, and just the meteoric rise of the femcel archetype in general either suggests that women aren't benefiting men's lives in equal measure, or th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 01:30 PM
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If you don't complain about the dumb choices you make as though they weren't your dumb choices then nobody is going to care what you do or who you date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 12:34 PM
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That wouldn't make women living in a constant state of fight or flight about rape any less prone to their neurotic tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:10 AM
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Maybe because we live in constant fight or flight about being raped by men? SSRIs do seem to help overly neurotic women get over these types of fears.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:54 AM
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Something about glass houses and throwing stones...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:33 AM
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women are just trying really hard to make it a thing since they're triggered that men are doing it Remember WGTOW? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:10 AM
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Women are neurotic but it's beneficial to them. To a point. Beyond which it becomes very much the opposite for not only themselves but for everyone who has to deal with them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:03 PM
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There's cautious, and there's neurotic. It's extremely important to be able to distinguish between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:07 PM
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Women pretty regularly attach covert contracts to sex. If they didn't, then the very concept of "being used for sex" would be just as alien to them as it is to men. Clearly it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:01 AM
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She will end up feeling crazy, used and upset because some guy pretended to like her and played with her emotions just to use her body. She'll feel that way for sure, but whether or not she was actually used requires looking at more than just how she feels about the situation. Jumping to conclusions before at least hearing his side of the story would be extremely irresponsible. Men will make out like all the assets are there's yet have their wife doing unpaid labor for them for 10+ years. If she…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:10 PM
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Seems like LARPing as "blue pill men" is a common femcel pass time around here. Some of those girls have so comprehensively bought into their "patriarchal oppression" narratives that they genuinely believe putting "man" in their flair makes people take them more seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:32 PM
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Most women are treated quite badly by men The world would look quite a bit different if that were actually the case. Most serial killers and rapists are men. "Most baby murderers are women." ^ An equally misleading statement, and for the same reason. Most people who suddenly decide to live their partner when she is pregnant or has a toddler is men. If men were the ones getting pregnant and unilaterally deciding which women were obligated against their wills to be mothers then I imagine you'd see…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 12:38 AM
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Depends on whether or not her only concern is with being a contrarian to what she calls "incel adjacent rhetoric".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 06:05 PM
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If we use your reductionist take of what "treated like chad" is, sure. The OP's take seems to have more nuance though, so that's what I'm interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:53 PM
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Everything that "deserves to be treated like Chad" by a woman entails, but appropriately gender-flipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:23 PM
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Would you also say that women who aren't as pretty as "Stacy" don't deserve to be treated like "Stacy"? Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:03 PM
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they'll always expect you to provide for them as part of their culture. It hits completely differently when a man is genuinely respected and appreciated for doing so though. Which some cultures encourage a lot more of than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:35 AM
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So long as you frame red pill ideas in a way that women can't interpret as an attack on their gender, all of the controversy disappears funnily enough. Granted the effort involved in that can make for a tedious experience, so I (and probably most men) usually just go with the first rule of fight club in my real life dealings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:44 PM
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Or outside of hoping what they're doing becomes a committed relationship. Ergo, a woman's "interest in casual sex" has little bearing on whether or not she functionally participates in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:23 PM
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I don’t know most women And yet I bet you agree with me that most of them don't see the sex they're having as "casual", right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:15 AM
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I bet you don't even disagree with the premise that most women don't see the sex they're having as "casual".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:35 AM
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Do you think you need to know most women to recognize that most women attach expectations (hidden or otherwise) to sex? Rhetorical question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:22 AM
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Nah I know women who’ve knowingly hooked up with guys despite being very aware that they wouldn’t want to commit to those men. I do too. How does that challenge what I said about most women though?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:12 AM
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Most women don't see what they're doing with attractive men as "casual sex". They see it as a step in cementing a relationship. In my experience, "it was only casual" is more often than not a post hoc face-saving thing that women do (sometimes men too) when things don't work out as they'd hoped.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 11:38 PM
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"Should people who are irrelevant to this medical procedure get to have an opinion on the medical procedure?" What was the actual wording? I can't imagine this was it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:01 AM
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Start holding men accountable For what exactly? And what would that even look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:27 PM
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Is this supposed to be a satire of how pathological the "women are wonderful" effect can become?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:00 PM
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I'm trying to figure out whether or not the OP actually wants to normalize polyandry, or if they just see it as a means to an end to remove the stigma associated with women having high body counts. Either way, doesn't seem very well thought out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:00 AM
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So... dress and pose sexy? If the goal is to sell sex to men, then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:44 PM
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You're using money being sent as the differentiating factor here but I wonder how OK you'd be with the "not that serious" equivalent where men browse through and comment on instagram thirst traps?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 04:34 PM
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The one on the left seems like she has an ego three times as large as the one on the right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:36 PM
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I think the stigma associated with its use for women will be harder to overcome, since it will always be viewed as the greater failure that a woman who wants a relationship would have to settle for a parasocial one with AI. I don't doubt that they'll ultimately use them just as much though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:39 PM
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Entertainment value. It's like a soap opera full of silly characters that I get to interact with. Sometimes I find myself slipping into trying to engage in debate but there's just too much bad faith flying around for that to be a smart idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 10:35 PM
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Accurately stating that men respond to what women reward is not blaming women It's just that the more neurotic ones always perceive it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:19 PM
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Seems like the part you added in italics was the pedantic part, but...meh.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 10:50 PM
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FTFY. I don't think you're supposed to use this acronym when modifying your own statements. Anyway, the point is that whether a woman contributes minimally, or if she supplies the business plan, she will be legally entitled to half of the spoils.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:07 PM
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If it's only going to lead to terminally online takes then yes, god forbid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:34 PM
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There’s a reason she got half. She would have gotten half even if there wasn't a reason. So kind of a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:28 PM
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Crash outs do not necessarily require there to be no facts present. Not that I think any of the "facts" they're speaking about are actually facts. Rather they appear to be, as another poster put it, "terminally online takes".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:12 PM
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I suppose nowadays the kids call it a 'crash out' instead. Here are some snippets: wipe your husband's ass, chew his food for him and spit it back in his mouth modern men are so bitter and hateful towards women women are essentially products that you are entitled to there's this psychotic level of entitlement towards women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:03 PM
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Didn't there used to be a rule about "no rants"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:42 PM
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I see plenty of hot women dating uggos See how you changed the topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:36 PM
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I was responding to the question in the title. If you want me to answer why tall men invoke feelings in women, well that's just evolution doing its thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:37 AM
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I see a lot of people discussing the idea of men being granted reproductive rights comparable to women's lately. The "a choice for me, but not for thee!" detractors are grasping at straws on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 11:14 PM
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"Believe all women" immediately comes to mind, and all of its #MeToo era spinoffs that exposed how a lot of women feel about their allegations not overriding a man's right to due process.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 08:06 PM
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Everything from rationalizing shallow preferences to wanting due process for men thrown out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 04:23 PM
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I know this is pointless Oh, then we'll just do what I said and agree to disagree. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:38 PM
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Simple, they all, including you, talk only about woman there Because women's role is the only point of controversy in the accountability debate. And there are lots of signs that rude, violent behavior towards women are okay because no one is calling it out when it happens. On top of "there are signs" not being an actual example of the red pill condoning abusers, this is called a motte-and-bailey fallacy. With "rude" being the motte, and "violent" being the bailey. If the criteria to fit "abuser"…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:12 PM
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My point is that different people have difference experience Can you acknowledge at least that when thousands of people share their anecdotes, distinct patterns of the human condition start to emerge which become increasingly difficult to simply dismiss as anecdotal?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:23 AM
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One last time. Can you provide an example of the red pill condoning the actions of legitimate abusers? Or are you prepared to rescind the strawman? If neither, then we'll just have to agree to disagree and end this exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:10 AM
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I explained how we go from what red pill actually says: "women should consider how they contributed" to the "red pill doesn't hold abusers accountable!" strawman that you've just employed the use of. How about you give me an example of how the red pill doesn't hold abusers accountable since it's your claim to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:42 PM
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Did I contest the idea that you were holding women accountable? Or did I contest your statement that "in redpill eyes", the abuser is not held accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:20 PM
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Feel free to tell me how I misinterpreted the quoted sentence. Do you or do you not believe "in redpill eyes" that the abuser bears no responsibility for abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:37 PM
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The problem is that abuser bears none in redpill eyes. Not true. Nobody is absolving abusers of abuse. What they're doing is asking women to consider their own actions and behaviors, and how they may have contributed to being in that situation in the first place. Unless you believe women are simply will-less objects to be acted upon, then this is a perfectly valid thing to point out. It's always at this point that the "you're excusing abusers!" and "victim-blaming!" strawmen get trotted out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:28 PM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:05 PM
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The stated intention of the app is literally "helping women date safe". So yes, that should be what the red flag means. We all know it isn't though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:56 PM
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Look at the ratio of red flags to green flags. Are we to believe all of those men are "dangerous to women's safety"? Even more humorous, the more red flags, the more attractive the men appear to become - compared to all of the "average" guys with one or two red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:21 PM
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70,000+ driver's licenses and pictures with metadata still attached. Metadata being the coordinates of the location that the picture was taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:48 PM
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"You" was more of a general statement. Google the Tea app data leak if you want to learn more. It's pretty bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:37 PM
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At this point you should get rid of it because its track record in keeping women's personal data secure is...not great.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:32 PM
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This has already been demonstrated by the AWDTSG facebook groups. AI-generated pictures of men were created and posted on those groups. Men that literally don't exist were getting "bad reviews" by women who claimed to have dated them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:26 PM
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If I had to choose between the partner I already love, and a new partner who looked and acted like them, I’d still take the partner I have. This is not comparing like for like. I'd appreciate if you actually engaged with the hypothetical question that I asked, rather than completely changing the nature of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:02 PM
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I think those men are demonstrating that they’d prefer a fat woman they like over a generically beautiful woman they don’t know. Now try comparing like for like. Same exact woman in different bodies. One beautiful and skinny, one ugly and obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 12:42 PM
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They're pretty monolithic in their preferences for tall, attractive, wealthy men. You wouldn't use the fact that men date and marry ugly obese women as evidence against men's general preferences for beautiful skinny women. Maybe you can try applying that same logic to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 12:35 PM
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They’re acting different in that they’re dating and marrying a very diverse selection of men ...And other women don't? I asked you to explain how Chinese women are acting differently to women in other cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 12:23 PM
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Here, lets try this... In what way are Chinese women acting differently in their revealed preferences in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 12:11 PM
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That would make your argument “yeah, most women might be married to men who aren’t over 6 feet or rich, but all those women probably don’t LIKE their partners, and would rather have tall rich men instead?” No, that'd be you putting words in people's mouths.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:59 AM
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“it’s a fact that most women already are willing to date men even if they aren’t white, tall or rich” Do you think "willing to" is synonymous with "wants"? Because that's what we're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:44 AM
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I think RP’s advice to “watch what they do” is the best way to see what women do. In places where the red pill has taken root, I agree. The less honest women are about it, the more necessary it becomes. Are most Chinese women dating or married to light-skinned men who are over 6 feet tall with lots of money? Probably not, given that most Chinese men don't fit that criteria. If they could though, do you think they wouldn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:31 AM
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By "different" you appear to mean "less dishonest about expressing their want for the exact same thing".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:04 AM
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The most recent news appears to be that the doxxers have become the doxxed, and now there's a game out there that lets you rate the leaked pictures of the women. Funny stuff. As others are saying: The goal was to create a list of undateables and that's exactly what happened, just not in the way they expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:57 AM
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Show me where I did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:49 AM
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You're not following. At least I hope that's the case. The accused (the alleged rapist) denying an accusation (committing rape) is not an accusation (she's lying!) of the accuser (the woman alleging rape). To suggest a woman's accusation should override the accused person's presumption of innocence because it denies her the presumption of innocence from lying, is an absolute perversion of the legal concept of presumption of innocence and I sincerely hope that's not what you're driving at.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:22 PM
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you just accused them of making false accusations... The accused denying an accusation is not an accusation of the accuser.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:43 PM
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Because nobody is making an accusation against them for which they would be afforded the presumption of innocence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:08 PM
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the creation of an anonymous platform where unverified accusations can be posted without context, oversight, or consequence. This is how we got the Salem Witch Trials. I'm sure human nature has changed since then, though!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 09:49 PM
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Teaborn was deleted by owner because it's users kept posting revenge porn, child sex material, and rape videos. That's actually pretty smart, in a twisted way. I guess we know what's going to happen with Tea as well, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 09:31 PM
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And they'd apparently sacrifice due process and embrace mob justice in order to get it. Human stupidity is often entertaining to witness but this...this is just dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:28 PM
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They are specifically forbidden to DOX the men on the Tea app. Utilizing reverse image searches, providing names, ages and locations for the sake of personally identifying somebody without their consent to share publicly with other women perfectly fits the definition of doxxing. This process also likely runs afoul of various stalking, intimidation, and defamation laws. The male version of the app, "Teaborn" was already scrubbed from the app store, by the way. I wonder how we justify one, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:14 PM
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They should have named it "Meat".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 04:14 AM
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All I know is that if you swapped the genders and now men had a platform for doxxing women so they could gossip about them and judge them, it'd spark outrage in women the likes of which we haven't seen since Roe vs Wade got overturned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 10:42 PM
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getting their hearts broken because they couldn't lock down a ONS You mean pink pill women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 09:58 PM
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Do or don't. Just stop framing your inability to secure the ones that you think you deserve as though it's a "men are trash" problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:08 PM
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I think a lot of women are just doing the same "you can't fire me, I quit!" routine that we saw a lot of with MGTOW and now 4B.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:39 PM
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"It's disappointing that some women have such an extreme externalized locus of control." "You're victim blaming!" The irony is palpable here. Anyway, I think I've made my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:24 AM
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It's disappointing that you can't see any possible way that women can influence their own fates as far as being single mothers goes. Having such an extremely externalized locus of control is seemingly a major source of a lot of women's problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:08 PM
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A woman’s actions isn’t responsible for a man’s actions Never said they were. I'm quizzing you on whether or not you think a woman's actions or decisions could also contribute to her ending up as a single mother. You don't seem to think she's capable of any such actions or decisions though, and as disappointing as that is, it answers my (mostly rhetorical) question. Thanks for your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:32 PM
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No Not a single one? Well, I appreciate the candor at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:51 PM
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If it weren't true, the manosphere wouldn't exist. This is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:23 PM
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Their own actions yes Right. Now that we've clarified that women are responsible for their own actions and choices, can you think of an example of a woman's own actions or choices that might maximally contribute to the odds that she'll end up as a single mother?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 03:12 PM
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Whether or not women are capable of making decisions that maximize the odds that they'll be single mothers. Essentially it's an accountability litmus test. I appreciate your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 03:02 PM
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Do you think murdering the man is the only action a woman might be maximizing her odds of being a single mother by performing? If so then I guess that answers my question...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:33 PM
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No. They're responsible for their own though, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:28 PM
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You'd be surprised. But that comment doesn't really address my question. Which is "are women capable of making decisions that maximize the odds that they'll be single mothers?".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:44 AM
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"Because the father died" isn't (or at least I hope it isn't) a consequence of her own unilateral actions and choices, so that doesn't count. Let me word this differently... Do you believe women are capable of making decisions that maximize the odds that they'll be single mothers? Or is single motherhood only ever a thing that "deadbeat men" blindside unwitting women with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 09:57 PM
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You want to blame the wife for the husbands actions? No, I'm asking you if you're capable of imagining a scenario where a woman is a single mother for reasons other than the father being a deadbeat family abandoner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:47 PM
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But does that fact alone not highlight how many men actually abandon their families and children I wonder... Are you able to imagine a scenario where the woman being a single mother was a consequence of her own unilateral actions and choices? Or is it only ever because men are deadbeat family abandoners in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:11 PM
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So...would I marry a platonic friend? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:39 PM
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I'm just engaging with your comment that you believe the woman's crashout was appropriate based on the prior poster's scenario (guy forgot to charge his phone). It sounds like you do indeed believe that in this scenario where the woman has a crashout because she wildly misinterprets the situation that the guy was the one who caused the drama. Which would probably go a long way in explaining why you believe men cause just as much drama as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:52 PM
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That is a very appropriate crashout Because the guy forgot to charge his phone? *Do you believe her crashout based on her own misinterpretations of a benign situation is an example of men causing drama?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 02:48 AM
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Some of them. Other still are women who were just never happy to begin with. All united under the banner of being crabs in a bucket.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:13 PM
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Empowering other women to decenter men from their lives If I were a bucket full of crabs, this is exactly what I'd disguise myself as.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:45 AM
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It's why we're long past the "good faith" phase of these discussions. Little do they seem to realize that gaslighting has exactly the opposite intended effect when the ideas involved deviate so significantly from plausibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:05 AM
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More sluts running around who are adamantly against marriage sounds awesome. How do we spread this message to more women? Particularly the ones over 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:36 AM
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so why is it birth rates are cratering Because nobody has a sense of duty anymore. Women especially so. That's not really relevant to the topic of holding "gifts" over people's heads being a toxic breeding ground for resentment though. Actually, maybe it is...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:58 AM
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This is why I told my girls to never give a man (or woman) children unless they 100% respect, love, and appreciate the gift. Yuck. Treating having kids like a "gift" you're giving to the other person that they have to be grateful for receiving is a recipe for resentment. Imagine if a breadwinner man felt that way about the lifestyle his breadwinning enabled a woman to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 02:28 PM
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TwoX is (was?) a 'default' sub that all reddit accounts are (were?) automatically subscribed to. Which is pretty telling in and of itself given how much of a cesspool of misandry it is, but that's why its subscriber numbers are so high.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:59 PM
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I wonder if there is an evolutionary reason for this. I think a lot of women just see sex as an intrinsically transactional activity that they only tolerate until they feel like the 'ROI' isn't worth it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:52 AM
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What relevance does your reply have to mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:56 PM
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It's because that's the only way to avoid gendered power dynamics. Sounds like the quickest way to stumble face-first into them if you ask me. Women aren't privy to "locker room talk" so it's understandable that they wouldn't know this, but "Chad" ain't any more discreet about sharing his list of conquests with his buddies than "average" guys are. If you want discretion then just do what other women do and take vacations to places where nobody knows you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:15 PM
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The claim is that being a single mother is a negative trait. What's the point of disingenuously removing adjectives and then constructing strawmen out of the result?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 03:14 PM
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Why did you exclude the adjective that comes before the word mom?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:14 PM
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more men need to get into relationships to have sex And this translates out to you as "men want relationships more than women"? I think there may be a problem with that logic. Women don’t expect men to do anything You don't actually believe that. Clearly at the very least there's the expectation that men be the producers of 'woo' as you've already suggested. but relationships are more risk and effort for women That's very debatable if the expectation is that men initiate, pursue, 'woo', and so o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:40 PM
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I agree that both genders have lost their sense of duty. I'd argue though that one gender collectively lost their sense of duty long before the other did, which ultimately catalyzed the reciprocation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:58 PM
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Men want relationships more than women I suspect the opposite is true, given that even the red pill is more about having sex with women than getting into relationships with them. The party that passively expects others to come and 'woo' them will obviously appear to be less interested than the party that is expected to do the pursuing. The meteoric rise of the 'pink pill' pretty strongly suggests things are a little more complicated than that though. As does your feeling sorry for young women...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:32 PM
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I dunno, when men lament the lack of 'marriageable' women the retort is usually "we don't live in the 1950s anymore". Perhaps the concept of the burden of performance being entirely on men's shoulders when it comes to 'wooing'/pursuing deserves a similar retort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:32 PM
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No, it's even funnier than that. Person 1: "Men suck." Person 2: "Nuh uh. Women suck!" Person 1 again: "What a dumb and uninformed thing to say!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:30 AM
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Because they take what they get in exchange for granted when it doesn't come in the form of a literal paycheck? I can see that. Hence the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:44 AM
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Are women just supposed to be live-in baby makers, escorts, chefs, cleaners, and nannies - there to work and provide for the man for free - and then, if she wants to leave, she gets nothing for her labour? "Work and provide for the man for free" It's like she's taking completely for granted all of the ways that she's benefiting from him in exchange. Perhaps she should just get out there, grind out a career and create those benefits for herself so that she doesn't have to feel like her labor is "…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:22 PM
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So you can acknowledge the gendered nature of some forms of manipulation, but only for men? Interesting. Maybe you should read your own link.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:03 PM
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Do you think there are methods of manipulation that are primarily associated with men? Be honest now...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:57 PM
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Women in particular have certain ways that they manipulate though, which are worth recognizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:42 PM
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Why shouldn't we ever focus on the ways women in particular are manipulative?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:41 PM
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They're fundamentally telling her to leave the abusive man and to pursue the relatively easy task of finding one who isn't abusive with tools like tinder. Can you point to what it is about their advice that's objectionable? As far as sympathy goes, there's only so much sympathy to be afforded to someone who has the ability to improve their situation, but won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:32 PM
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Now I'm definitely convinced... Anyway, seems strange that they'd be telling her to leave the abuser if they were motivated by bitterness. But who am I to question the parameters of your hypothetical scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:37 AM
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I don't know which men you're referring to. The hypothetical ones you say exist that are telling women to prostitute themselves on tinder to escape their abusive partners? Sure. I'm still pretty convinced that you're just misinterpreting what men are actually saying, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:10 AM
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She isn't. Removing the abusive man from her life is step one. She owes that to not only herself but also to her future partner. If she's allowed herself to become hopelessly dependent on an abusive man, then she should think long and hard about dating any men until she can learn how to be self-sufficient. Step one is still the same though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:46 AM
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You haven't demonstrated that men tell women to do this. The overwhelming majority of the responses appear to be men telling you that they wouldn't do this, nor that it's a smart idea (for them or for the woman). You seem to be misinterpreting what they're telling you. "Replace the abusive man with a non-abusive man" is not the same as saying "find some random dude on tinder to prostitute yourself to instead of utilizing the resources available to victims of abuse". Frankly this whole topic is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:19 AM
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I'm trying to figure out what your issue is with men telling women they can stop being abused by ditching abusive men for non-abusive ones. Should they just give an empty "that's horrible!" platitude and leave it at that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:09 AM
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Do you not like the 'tinder' part or are you unsatisfied with the general proposed solution to ditch the abusive man for a man who isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:49 PM
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By your own logic, a closeted man who sleeps with women to avoid social backlash—but loathes women and emotionally bonds with men—would still be “heterosexual.” If he's sexually attracted to men and "pretending" to be sexually attracted to women to keep up appearances then no, that clearly doesn't fit the definition of heterosexual. The rest of your post is...not worth addressing. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:44 AM
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If heterosexuality is only about sexual acts, then does a man who has sex with women but hates being around them still count as ‘oriented’ toward women As far as the word heterosexual is concerned? Yes. Being exclusively sexually attracted to the opposite sex is the only necessary criteria to qualify as a heterosexual person. you’re just exposing your inability to think beyond surface definitions By "surface definitions" do you mean ones that have yet to be interpreted proprietarily by you? Yeah…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:38 PM
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Hard to say. All we know for sure is that it would be highly unlikely that a woman would do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:50 PM
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I’m saying your version of ‘straight’ is emotionally hollow. Do you always rely on your emotions to define words...?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:30 PM
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Now you’ve got to try and explain that you weren’t implying she looks like a rooster or has the brain of one and that it was all an analogy. Nope. Now you take a knee as Bill Burr puts it, lest she succeed in her attempt to make the argument about something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:05 AM
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That I couldn't get without marriage? ... Doubling my capital gains tax exemptions would be nice I suppose...?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:24 PM
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Did you think men were going to react to the notion that their sperm quality degrades with age with the same indignant zealotry that women often express when presented with the same notion about their eggs?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:29 PM
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I sincerely hope that blind spot you're dealing with never causes excessive hardship in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:44 AM
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When a woman isn't a decent person towards men, she stays tf away from men most of the time. Your take is dangerously charitable to women who aren't decent people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:32 AM
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Plenty of thoughtless circle jerking from women as well, if you hadn't noticed...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 12:50 AM
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You should be careful with the race bait stuff. See rule 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:09 PM
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I don't doubt that you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:29 PM
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If "getting called mean" is the threshold to avoiding the solution then the problem must not be that bad to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:07 PM
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Really makes you look at the Adam and Eve allegory in a new light, doesn't it? I'm not religious but I absolutely acknowledge the wisdom of ancient men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:02 PM
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Men are seeing the same thing in women - a cesspit of entitlement and victim complexes, that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 03:19 PM
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Expressing their dissatisfaction to women having autonomy and free will is disgusting. You're free to frame it that way. The genders are plainly talking past each other at this point anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:51 PM
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There are men who offer to buy a drink unasked and then expect a woman to go on a date with them "No thanks" would be an easy way to avoid that situation. But then you wouldn't have the free drink, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:54 PM
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We're probably long past the point that you can suppress men's dissatisfaction by simply censoring their ability to express it. Cat's already out of the bag, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:47 PM
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Wasn't there a social media fad where women were telling each other to wander up and down the aisles of Home Depot to try and find men to be hit on by? Probably related to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:29 PM
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that might sting a little on the inside. The "men are trash" narrative was borne to combat this very feeling, methinks. It's not that she's such an insufferable person that she can't find a single man to put up with her despite her advantages as a woman, it's that there's no such thing as a good man! It's delusional, yes. But it sufficiently protects her ego - and that's ultimately all that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 01:39 PM
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"If not for men's tendency to abandon their offspring." Appreciate the clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:39 AM
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And if not for men, you think it would work and be completely fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:51 AM
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Define the very specific thing that you believe would work and be completely fair if not for "men not giving a fuck about their kids".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 09:21 PM
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all of this would work and would be completely fair if men gave a fuck about their kids Hah. We just had a post about women and accountability. I wish you had posted your rendition of "everything is men's fault" in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:59 PM
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So that's why her voice was so deep...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:57 AM
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Did you see the look of defeat in his face after it happened? She'll have him believing it was his fault before the day is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:38 AM
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"Attractive" was the third item in their list.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:59 AM
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He would be equally responsible if women didn't get to unilaterally choose what set of consequences are associated with sex. Given that they do get to choose, the notion that men are equally responsible for the consequences of a woman's unilateral choice only serves as an affirmation that women's relationship with accountability is indeed a tenuous one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 10:53 PM
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Where were you when Amber Heard was being called Amber Turd Laughing at the appropriately bequeathed name, given what she did to those poor bed sheets. Remember when she tried to blame the toy-sized dog for the human-sized shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 10:32 PM
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Their body, their choice, their responsibility. The reaction they always give to that third criteria is all you ever need to demonstrate the point about women and accountability. They want to unilaterally control the process, but they wilt at the prospect of being held unilaterally accountable for the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:34 PM
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No. The question is who can maintain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:20 PM
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I really beleive in the future women will have to step up from a physiological stand point to be equal to men And they'll start with the depiction of female characters in video games!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:16 PM
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women here who have actively ceased trying to pursue men Women don't actively pursue to begin with. They just come to terms with not being pursued by the men they want. My nitpick of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 12:56 PM
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Is it also a form of 'indirect cuckoldry' when women watch it? Or do you frame women watching porn less shamefully?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:37 PM
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Maybe that's exactly what he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:16 PM
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What if your potentially deeply sick partner has made it clear to you that their potential sickness will be their newest and most socially foolproof excuse to continue treating you poorly and framing you as the bad guy while doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:12 PM
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If your child demanded the absolute best, most expensive toys in existence, convinced they couldn't have fun with anything else, there's absolutely no way you can tell me you'd accept that on the grounds of "Well, that's what they like." Such a good point. I'm disappointed the other poster won't engage with it in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:45 PM
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It's an echo chamber where the prospect of having good faith debates goes to die. But it's entertaining, and that's ultimately the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 05:11 PM
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It's a rhetorical device to explain how most of women's advantages as it pertains to dating start to wane as they grow older.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 02:24 PM
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So long as the men are getting their money's worth, then what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 05:10 AM
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And now people will accuse me of being a bitter old hag Nah. We'll just accuse you of making a lot of pessimistic assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:53 AM
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That’s a cop out answer Give yourself more credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:08 AM
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I used yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:20 AM
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If you have realistic expectations then you've no need to worry. If you want the guy that all the other ladies want though, then not having your youth will put you at a potentially insurmountable disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:36 AM
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"being shit", as you put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:50 AM
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Yeah the manosphere isn’t doing anything It's absolutely helping to bridge the gap that you just acknowledged exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:55 PM
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Modern medicine is a product of civilization. Civilization is a product of humans resisting/being made to resist their natures. Playing Jenga with the scaffolding of civilization by appealing to "what's natural" is probably a really bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:36 PM
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Nobody said they can't be. There's a big difference between men and women in the threshold to being called on it though. Granted 'the manosphere' and the discussions therein have thankfully been helping to level that playing field lately.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:54 PM
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So did medicine extend our lifespans or was "lived until 30s" a myth?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:52 PM
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The difference is nobody is going to argue with you that the man in your example was being a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:07 PM
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Seems like the kind of thing that would be a source of shame that they'd want to keep secret if they did, so I have no idea. Hope not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:57 AM
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A man who can keep up "I'm letting you be in a supporting role for my story." About me: Unapologetically myself. This is usually just a clever way to say "I'm an unconscientious person." Love to travel! Been to 35 countries and counting. Depends who pays for it. If she does then that doesn't necessarily say anything bad. If she doesn't though, then it's probably safe to assume she's dabbling in an "unofficial" form of prostitution. The rest are all just generic platitudes that she may or may not…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:52 PM
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The attention of a stage 5 clinger and all the fun that comes with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:29 AM
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Because "succumbing to her baser instincts" doesn't sound as flattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:52 AM
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Edgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 07:38 PM
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If we're going by women's example then I guess we'd just have to nag her into compliance...?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 07:26 PM
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"Women tell guys EXACTLY what they want with subtle hints." That's...kind of a stupid sentence. Because you're either telling guys EXACTLY what you want, or you're giving subtle hints. Maybe when men pretend not to notice said subtle hints, they're doing it because they're sick of tolerating a cowardly form of communication?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 07:19 PM
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I'd love to hear this as well, given the prevalence of women in these very same pill spaces who demand men competent in their traditional roles, but who themselves are anything but.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:16 PM
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This is the dynamic that seems to produce optimal "happiness" between both the man and the woman - provided the man doesn't abuse his position of power. It's actually quite telling that the detractors of the above only ever assume that he will.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 04:04 PM
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I came to debate See, that's the thing. No you didn't. Your post has nothing to debate. It's just a rant. Looks like the mods finally did their job.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:26 AM
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Egregiously so. Ultimately it's probably better in the long run if they just keep allowing femcel content. More entertainment for PPD, more recruiting power for TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:36 AM
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That very mentality would be the epitome of "incel content" if you swapped "men" with "women".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:21 AM
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Your "simplification" would be the epitome of "incel content" if you swapped "men" with "women". Get your act together, PPD mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:17 AM
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I like how none of the red pill men will respond in good faith Is this to say that you think the OP's post was made in good faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:37 PM
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Also incel content, but of the femcel variety so it's OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:27 PM
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After months of extensive reasrch And this rant post is all you could come up with? What a self-burn...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:21 PM
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After months of extensive reasrch And this post is all you could come up with? What a self-burn...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:20 PM
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The second she caught feelings. At least in her mind anyway...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:50 AM
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It can be lazy, but you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you're telling people they shouldn't make gendered generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:57 PM
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Have you ever seen the movie "There's Something About Mary"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 01:55 AM
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Dude wanted an easy, low maintenance relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:43 PM
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What I hate the most is that people who don't know anything about Red Pill are so gullibly discrediting the whole Red Pill mentality. Does the function of a ratchet wrench become discredited because people say the brand sucks?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:55 PM
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at a time so far removed from any potential pregnancy that no one needs to get worked up about it I'm impressed by your confidence that a woman wouldn't still get worked up about it even after the conversation was had at a time so far removed from any potential pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:26 PM
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So was aborting children. Then we started talking about the sanctity of "bodily autonomy" and suddenly it was OK. I see no reason why the same process couldn't apply to cheating. These are the knock on effects of a culture embracing moral relativism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 01:51 PM
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it’s about your inner misogyny I encourage you at every turn to attempt to shut down conversations with these superficial accusations of misogyny. Surely it will help your cause!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 04:03 PM
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The biological response isn't exactly a secret. Women aren't stupid either. They do like to pretend they are though, which is where all of the "I dress like this for myself!" half-truths come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 11:32 PM
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When the narcissist's prayer meets the women are wonderful effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:27 PM
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Because women are seeking honesty Only when it's what you want to hear, though. And woe be the man who can't tell the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:16 PM
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It's the Patrice O'Neal skit about the perfect relationship being when the woman is in love, and the man is in like. Essentially so long as she feels like he's better than her, she'll be "low maintenance" for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:43 PM
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The problem seems to simply be that she knows he watches OF. She did not clarify whether or not she'd be fine with it provided he stopped while in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:44 AM
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Seems strange to not want to date the guy who wants to get to know the object of his sexual desires as a person, given all of the complaints women have about being "objectified".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 06:50 PM
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Read about the life of William Moulton Marston, creator of Wonder Woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:45 AM
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