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...then don't do one? lol, some people like having wild and varied sexual experiences and don't mind their partner doing the same. My partner and I keep it to just threesomes with both of us. To each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 11:34 PM
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At the other end of the continuum are betas in dead bedrooms or "open relationships" (which are always theoretically open in both directions, but she can get NSA sex easily and he can't). Do y'all just not live in the bay area or someplace like it? I know roughly a gajillion people in open relationships where the guy is getting as much as the girl, because they live in places like the bay area or new york where people have their heads on straight and are pretty down for NSA sex regardless of gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 09:42 PM
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was required to keep the post up
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 03:51 PM
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You lose
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 03:39 PM
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Edits made, y'scalliwag!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 09:42 PM
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Edits incomin', matey
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 09:40 PM
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Yeah, nope. Married a confident woman and it's awesome. Do better at life, kid.
/r/TheRedPill30/06/14 10:25 PM
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Except that the parts of Red Pill that are simply bland life improvement aren't uniquely RP, and the parts that are unique to RP actually make you a worse person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 04:10 PM
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That's pretty subjective and certainly a lot of things the vast majority of the qualities women judge men for, and that they reinforce with other women, could be considered to be sexism and double-standards Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 02:28 AM
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You can be Roosh's biggest fan in the entire world if you want to be, but he's still an unambiguously terrible writer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 02:23 AM
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But, wouldn't that also be a very entitled and narcissistic message to send to men? Basically, if they don't fit the mold that someone decided a man should fit in, they are wrong. Well, no. They're not just wanting to be a certain way -- they're wanting another person to value them so highly that they devote a significant portion of their life to them. If you're not what someone is looking for, you're not entitled to their attention regardless. If you don't want to change a thing about yourself,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 02:22 AM
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lol Roosh. Roosh's approach depends on having exactly zero self awareness. Ironically, he and I both live in Washington DC, where the dating pool of women is arguably the best in the country -- reading his description of how he views DC never ceases to make me facepalm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 09:01 PM
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Given how sordid even strip clubs are, based on what I know, I do not advise people to patronise them. Dunno about where you live, but I've had friends strip at the clubs near me and it's a job like anything else. That's the essence of what Red Pill inner game is. That's just Red Pill giving a silly name to basic common sense, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 09:00 PM
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Not sure how that's a knock against it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 08:59 PM
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What Manson advocates is directly contrary to mainstream PUA, which is what you brought up -- if you agree that Manson's approach is superior, then we're done on that front. His half-hearted feminism doesn't go nearly far enough for my tastes, but hey, his make-yourself-into-a-better-person advice is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 06:50 PM
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Given the nature of how the sex trafficking business works, and the nature of who ends up in prostitution around where I live, I'd say there's definitely a moral angle to it. Not to mention personal danger. By all means, if you think there's a chance of that in your particular circumstances, you're right to stay away from it. A typical involuntarily celibate young man desires both sex and romance - usually with the same person. Then he should work on organically and honestly improving himself in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 06:46 PM
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""Are you really advising young men to go seek the services of prostitutes? Where I live that is completely illegal."" And yet, completely widespread. Illegal is up to the individual to worry about, but there's nothing inherently immoral about it. ""And a typical young man who can't get any female attention at age 25 doesn't just want sex. He wants female attention at ALL. There is more to male/female romantic interaction than just sex."" Hence why that sentence began with "If the response is...…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 06:40 PM
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Actually, no, try reading comprehension for a change. (People like you are why TRP is such a failure in every sense -- people like you gravitate to it, whereas people who are actually good at life overwhelmingly gravitate to feminism.)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 06:39 PM
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Reading comprehension is hard for some, I guess? If Mark Manson's exceedingly simple approach to self-improvement -- which is not about achieving the specific goal of getting laid, but rather centers on organically and honestly making yourself a better person, with increased interest from your preferred gender being one of many benefits that naturally flows from that -- is not an option for a person looking to improve their circumstances, something has gone horribly wrong. Someone wanting to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 06:36 PM
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I didn't argue that you should.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 05:59 PM
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Then they need to radically change the direction of their life -- they need to understand that their life as it currently exists is massively flawed and there needs to be a real fundamental break from past practices. If the response is "okay, but in the meantime I have sexual needs," well, your friendly neighborhood sex worker will satisfy your sexual needs in exchange for money (please treat her like a fellow human being and your equal if you go that route, just as you hopefully would any other…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 05:57 PM
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Basic feminism put into practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 05:46 PM
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Except the usual PUA version of "fake it" is creepy and sad. Contrast them with someone like Mark Manson. I actually disagree with Mark Manson about a ton of things! But his alternative to "PUA" is infinitely superior to wearing a silly hat and pretending like that makes you interesting. http://markmanson.net/books/models?ppid=67
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 05:41 PM
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We only downvote TRPers if they don't have any logic backing them up (which is often, but hey, this forum is basically remedial ed for TRP folks). Contrast that with the TRP threads, who can't bear to hear someone explain to them why they're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 05:14 PM
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Pushing 30, but thanks. And as atheist reading goes, Sam Harris isn't nearly as interesting as Hitchens. And note I said "conservative Christians" -- that is, people who take the tenets of orthodox Christianity as relevant to their major life decisions. If you call yourself a Unitarian and it doesn't actually impact your decision-making much, then hey, knock yourself out. To give an example: Anyone whose plan is to wait until they are married to have sex for the first time simply does not know t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 04:25 PM
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Don't try to turn a TRPer into someone capable of intelligent thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 03:12 PM
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It's not about statistics, it's about believing patently false things about the cosmos and humanity's place within that cosmos. It's no more intellectually respectable than believing in Zeus.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 03:11 PM
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7.5 guys a year = less than one hook-up a month, you could easily be going to a party once a month and hit those numbers easily. Not to mention that two of those years are in college, where you could practically be a shut-in and post those numbers. The only requirement would be that you enjoy having casual sex. Which, well, most people of both genders do?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 03:10 PM
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this kid's tears
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 04:12 AM
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You failed twice; once picking your spouse poorly, and twice by even now failing to understand why it was a poor choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 04:12 AM
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Yeah, that is the real complaint, at least in my mind -- minus the rescue part, I more just feel like condescending to you b/c I don't think any of you have successfully made the case that you deserve rescue. Basically, I see TRP beliefs as a strong indicator that you are both a) bad at life and b) not a person worthy of being helped to become good at life. So yeah, TRP censorship just means you're killing my lulz.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 02:11 AM
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...did you really just analogize casual sex to getting married? lololololololol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 02:09 AM
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So you failed and your conclusion is... it's impossible that other people might simply be better at relationships than you, and thus different rules might apply?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 02:08 AM
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Increased number of sexual partners correlates with divorce: http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html That's because a lot of conservative Christians (AKA people who by and large don't know the first thing about how to truly live a fun and decent life) simply never get divorced no matter how fail their marriages are. Says nothing about how people who are actually good at life should operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 02:07 AM
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lol at all the downvotes, TRPers so mad they can't hang when people point out the massive holes in their logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 02:06 AM
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Because people are wildly different from one another, and there's no particular reason to think that in a sample of 30 you'd find one you wanted an LTR with? If you're the sort of person who's bland enough that you'd be happy coupling up with anyone from a broad swath of people, that's unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 02:03 AM
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I don't want to be in a relationship with a chick who will be on another guy in a month. Really weird of you to assume that she's entering into a relationship with you for the purpose of leaving you a month later.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 02:02 AM
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Sexual experience isn't necessarily an attractive or positive trait in women for a long term relationship Yes, it usually is. Men don't mind training women to please them. It's not even about her pleasing you (though that helps), it's about her knowing strongly what she likes and getting more out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 02:01 AM
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If anything I would give her extra points for having a considerable sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 01:59 AM
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Your silly statement was: ""feminism is like a parasite that can only exist in a wealthy democratic society that has already undergone an industrial revolution"" And yet feminism has actually taken hold in China to a greater extent than in, say, Japan, despite Japan being both wealthier and more democratic. You said a stupid thing, and as per usual, you got called on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 01:58 AM
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Dude, I said 'guessing', not 'I have investigated and I am certain'. Figuring out the precise means by which a particular group of screwed-up people who make bad life choices got the way they are is not high on my list of ways to spend my Tuesday.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 10:38 PM
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It's actually a perfect example (I work on China issues and have lived in north and south China at various points), you just don't know enough about the topic to have even a mildly informed opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 10:37 PM
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Like a lot of places (read: the whole world, more or less) the influence of feminist thought in China is highly uneven. It'll make a bigger impact in some areas, a lesser impact in others, but you simply can't understand the social makeup of modern China without understanding the impact that feminism has had.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 09:42 AM
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Graham, look out! A poiiiiiiiiiiiiiisonous snake!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 09:40 AM
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I was pretty much the nicest person ever, and also got massively laid. Who knew that working out, having a sense of humor, and proactively asking girls out could work?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 12:51 AM
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This. my high school's Big Man On Campus was handsome, athletic, nicest guy you ever met, and then went off to MIT to study theoretical physics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 12:50 AM
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oh u
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 12:47 AM
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How does that contradict anything I said? ...do you even know the first thing about China?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 12:47 AM
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tee hee
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 12:20 AM
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Man, that must have felt so terrible for them, having a tight-knit group of friends, lots of sex, and good extracurriculars for their college apps. Shit, can we start an NGO or something to uplift these poor souls?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 12:19 AM
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But if you add up the sociopaths, those with narcissistic, borderline, histronic personality disorders (for whom promiscuity and lying is a symptom), and people with anxiety or depression disorders (which would affect there perception of events) it ends up being like 25% of women. Dunno about percentages, but you've provided exactly zero evidence that more women are mentally ill than men. I find the whole thing kinda odd. If I man could just lie and have a woman arrested, out of jealousy, reveng…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 12:18 AM
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...uh ever heard of China? Feminist thought has significant influence in China on a wide variety of levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 12:15 AM
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Guessing a lot of them grew up with religious beliefs that messed 'em up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 10:41 PM
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One of the things that moved my way of thinking was my baby mama lying about being raped. 5 times on, 5 different days, by 5 different men, over 2 years, while we were together. Nobody does that without having extreme psychological issues. The notion that you'd take an anecdote involving a woman who probably needs immense psychiatric help and make it the basis for your views on women more generally is pretty fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 10:40 PM
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I'll call people creepy, too, if that's the fitting term -- and his rant later in the video is definitely creepy rather than cringe-worthy. They're two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 10:37 PM
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Yeah, I'm a dude. tbh I'm surprised he didn't try topping it off with a Douche Fedora(tm)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 10:24 PM
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That's... one way of putting it. @.@ I'm a straight dude, but my god I would have a hard time turning that down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:29 PM
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Same. In upper middle class DC, I'm an extreme anomaly for getting married at 25. Even now at 28, most who are married are red-state transplants, and it's the early 30s where everyone settles down. This is in an area/demographic where virtually everyone has a graduate degree of some kind, which also pushes things back.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:25 PM
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my experience is that I can very occasionally hook up with a girl 20+ years younger in the right context The "right context" for that usually (not always, but usually) entails daddy issues or some other kind of trauma, not you just pushing all the right buttons for her sexiness-wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:21 PM
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Which is one of the most damning points against TRP, separate from it simply being incorrect -- successful, happy people avoid it like the plague.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:20 PM
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A couple of months back I was three feet away from Patrick Stewart. In person he is a golden god and you take that back.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:16 PM
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SERIOUSLY. Also, band nerds. Marching band at my high school was downright orgiastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:11 PM
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ITT: Blue Pillers incredulous that this cringe-tastic fail of a man is the RP definition of 'success with women'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:10 PM
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Actually, no, I'm a big fan of menswear and put together looks. I don't touch dress shirts if they're off the rack, everything I own is at least MTM. (At a cheaper price than off the rack, because hey... work smarter, not harder.) Not saying everyone should prefer the same, obviously -- if you prefer to be informal, hey, godspeed! -- but if you're going for a put-together look and you fall flat on your face, it's far worse than if you don't try at all, because it shows the giant gulf between how…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 08:57 PM
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It's about heuristics -- if you fit into a heuristic of being "one of those sorts of guys," you may be treated as one by a stranger. Happens to me all the time b/c of my 'fro. (But nobody can truly give this man a pass for the shame of looking like Leisure Suit Larry brought to life.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 05:37 PM
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I don't think they're above pulling the gender card just like some minorities pull the race card You do realize that white people pull the 'white card' constantly, right? They just don't realize they're doing it and how the card works, because they imagine their own whiteness to be a colorless default everyman position.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 03:44 PM
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Separated at birth? http://i.imgur.com/JuHbRlN.png
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 03:42 PM
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Sound off for the moment because I'm at work, but jesus christ that outfit on RSDtyler screams "I am basically the saddest and worst." So right off the bat, we're self-selecting for the sort of woman who would be willing to talk to a man who's wearing that outfit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 03:32 PM
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Sometimes it's the choice of the man, who finds he's not knee-deep in pussy, but suddenly his wife is, and he feels jealous http://jezebel.com/dudes-demand-for-an-open-relationship-backfires-spectac-1578409074 HEE HEE HEE (I like the non-gendered use of the phrase "knee deep in pussy". I had a female friend once who used to talk about how she was going to "go balls deep in some man pussy tonight" whenever I wingmanned for her, never failed to put a smile on my face)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 12:00 AM
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So much cool shit to do and see and enjoy. Meeting interesting people, doing meaningful work to make the world a better place, seeing new places and cultures and subcultures and experiences, absorbing new ideas and perspectives. Building fun things. So long as all of that is still out there, so long as the universe is filled with near limitless amazing possibilities, I couldn't fathom not feeling motivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:59 PM
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I'm a man. I'm pretty fucking happy. If the person you're with finds happiness in a situation that leaves you fundamentally unhappy, and vice versa... maybe you guys shouldn't be together?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:57 PM
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And so they come back to mr. nice guy and say "oh, I should have dated you back in college!" but now she's older, not as attractive, and has a lot of baggage. Does this actually happen? I see a lot of dudes expecting this will happen with the girls who weren't interested in them in college, but 98 times out of 100, people just meet new people in whatever new situation they're in, they're not fishing out the phone number of the guy who sat behind them in calculus from their old class notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:55 PM
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Spoken like someone who's never been to Foxfire.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:50 PM
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I like having fun-times-all-around threesomes with my partner, but personally I would feel exhausted dividing my emotional energy and everything else among multiple partners. I don't see what the advantage would be of my wife and I having side partners instead of just occasional romps with interesting people -- you can still have a great appreciation of someone as a person in a FWB scenario, it doesn't have to be sex and nothing else. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:38 PM
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Motivation for what? Posting here? I enjoy talking to people who are wrong and explaining why they're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:36 PM
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You're hamstering like mad, and it's not really a good look for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:34 PM
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I hate to break it to you, but A LOT of guys given the option would opt for a virgin bride over a sexually worldy bride all other things being held equal. I've never met one in my life outside of creepy TRP internet world, and I've met a metric fuckton of people. Even in the fucking Middle East, people naturally grokked that that was a terrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:32 PM
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Can you talk a little about how that works in poly situations? Curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:30 PM
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""First "revenge" implies that the subject desires some retribution for some past injustice. What might this injustice be?"" Not giving the Alfalfa the sex/attention he feels weirdly entitled to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:24 PM
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I'm a guy in my late twenties. Most women in their twenties can tell you hilarious and cringe-tastic stories about the dudes in the 35-45 range who've got money now and stable careers and think that that this will inevitably make them attractive to women in their twenties. If there's wishful thinking going on here, that's where it lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 11:22 PM
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LOLOLOLOLOL U GAIZ: The 'other discussions' tab informs me this was actually posted earnestly over on /r/MensRights as being 'symbolic' of what they're going through http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/27nqji/symbolism_in_story_of_an_alphamale_bear_facing/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:44 PM
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Are women different than men? Yes. Quite a bit so. What's keeping you from the fairly simple revelation that 'Men' and 'Women' are two very large circles on a Venn Diagram that overlap a ton, and so it makes a lot more sense to talk about men and women as individuals rather than pretending there's some single underlying thread that Men Are Like This and Women Are Like That?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:43 PM
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Keep those plates spinning, Pyros! Haters to the left!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:26 PM
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watch if i keep typing replies this kid will totally answer, adorbs
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/14 02:47 PM
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kid's so mad
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/14 06:32 AM
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^ lol this kid just pm'ed me, so affected
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 04:24 PM
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Dunno about literally "more," but you can have plenty of sex with either philosophy -- will be better sex if you're BP though, because the best sex is usually between people who like and respect each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/14 11:37 PM
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Those women dodged a fucking bullet
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/14 11:35 PM
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You realize this makes you look really sad, right dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/14 11:33 PM
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How I went about it: 1) Married someone I'm madly in love with 2) Have really great sex 3) Threesomes with bisexual feminist women (since my wife is bi but I'm not) who interest both of us To answer your questions: A) Plenty B) Extremely -- to me. Your tastes might be different than mine! C) Social circle, definitely (I'm a major extrovert), combined w/ activities I've gotten involved with that interest me (most of which attract a gender-balanced and sexually liberated crowd) This really isn't r…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/14 11:25 PM
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"" I was always "red pillish" and never quite a "beta" so TRP hasn't really taught me anything I didn't know."" that's alfalfa as fuck bro
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/14 11:21 PM
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You seem like a lame dude policing your wife's perfectly normal language.
/r/TheRedPill21/05/14 12:11 AM
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Men are only programmed to care about providing and protecting their own children. Which is where cultural indoctrination to change the definition of one's "own" children comes in. We can no more teach them to care about other people's children then we could teach them to sexually lust after fat and traditionally unattractive women. What constitutes a 'fat' woman has varied massively across time, across cultures, and across sub-groups within a population.
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 06:45 PM
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But the social environment in San Francisco works very hard to suppress behaviors that 'red pill'-ers would traditionally associate with maleness --and yet, that ends up working quite well and not leading to much in the way of unhappiness. A set of cultural behaviors and gender attitudes ends up being much more malleable than something as fundamental to one's being as sexual orientation, if you get into their heads at a young age.
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 06:42 PM
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Your impotent rage is adorable.
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 06:22 PM
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Not saying San Francisco is all sparkles for everyone -- no city is. But if you look at the balance of happiness to unhappiness, it's done the best of pretty much any city in recorded history that hasn't just been a playground for the rich, both in material terms and in terms of happiness borne of unorthodox social systems. Again, I'm curious to hear of a modern city that's followed your way of thinking and has produced widespread happiness by doing so.
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 04:35 PM
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Wouldn't it make substantially more sense for you and your wife to adopt? Again, how do you explain the rising prevalence of adoption?
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 04:33 PM
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Since when is 'indoctrination' synonymous with 'totalitarianism'? All social conditioning systems have some form of indoctrination at their core.
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 04:32 PM
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Accepting, for a moment, the premise of your question (which I don't): urban elites wouldn't allow them to. The 'men' you're referring to are in fact largely a suburban and rural subset of men with disproportionately low power to determine the rules of social institutions. (The dominance of urban elites over our socio-cultural institutions is really one of the greatest things we have going for us as a country.) Same reason your "the menfolk could convert to [radical] Islam" hypothetical below co…
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 04:30 PM
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I can't do the mental gymnastics to justify forcing a dude to pay for a kid that isn't his, that he doesn't want to pay for. Except that with a nice bit of indoctrination, he recognizes that the kid is his, since he's the one raising it. Dissociating the idea of what's 'yours' from what contains your DNA, and thus recognizing the hierarchy of nurture over nature. (Again, if this were really so immutable, adoption would be virtually nonexistent.)
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 04:28 PM
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So there's a workable model already for this... Wouldn't this, if anything, have a minor net lessening on men's suspicions about adultery, cuckoldry, etc., since the 'consequences' would be lower (that is, the cost of having a kid that's not yours would not be seen as being quite as steep)?
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 04:25 PM
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...but isn't that empirically false? Look at San Francisco. You have perhaps the greatest conglomeration of people devoted to flaunting what red pill-ers would call "inborn/instinctive sexual behaviors" ever known, and also one of the happiest, most wonderful places on earth. What modern place could be cited as both a) tending to embrace red pill thinking and b) producing human happiness and human prosperity on anywhere near the scale of San Francisco?
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 04:22 PM
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"your boss was within earshot"? I'm unclear on this, you didn't mention your boss earlier in the story?
/r/RedPillWomen21/10/13 09:45 PM
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