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I'd say due to the Internet's anonymity people can be mask off but also a gender relations debate sub is selection bias for the most extreme. So I think the answer is currently no, but as the internet becomes more irl we'll reach Korea levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:07 AM
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How did y'all meet and end up together?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 05:32 AM
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you can share something beautiful and go your own ways afterwards Agreed, but there must be a prelude. Otherwise, it's just sex with no idea of the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:08 AM
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It’s called casual because the romantic involvement stops at sex. If it's only sex why not stick it in anything? It's the relationship part that makes it meaningful. A whore isn't passion, vulnerability, pleasure and connection; it's a dirty economic transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:50 AM
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Elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:41 AM
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If it were truly meaningful, then it wouldn't be casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:26 AM
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I sure hope things change. Feel free to mark your calendar. I won't remember with the excessive narcs. Never forget if no one will love you; at least your nervous system can.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:33 AM
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Even in the other since, I don't see it as conserving. I see it as normal engagement. "Poisons the state of things" 😂 How dramatic It's very dramatic when you see the person you love being whored out. And you're told that this is how things ought to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:57 AM
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But I think they should. And many times, they end up looking for something more meaningful anyway after haveing had everything in Timbuktu and the neighbor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:49 AM
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Ignoring that first complete non-sequitur Hitler drank water. I'm not a nazi. Conservatives disapprove of promiscuity, and so do I, but I'm not a conservative. How is it "indecent" or "lacking in care" for the other person? If someone had sex with me and didn't want anything more, I would feel horrible about it. Like I had been used as a means yo an end rather than cared for. Not everyone desires that. Others not desiring it and not seeking it out in their sexual practices doesn't make it wrong …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:44 AM
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conservative approaches to sex are the norm Hitler drank water What do you mean by "illegitimate?" If I tap a passerby on the street on his shoulder and ask him to rail me in the back alleyway, is that not sex? It is, but it's indecent. It lacks limerence. It lacks a true care for the other person. What exactly are you imagining doing with your sexual partners?? You are concerning me Milk toast sexual engagement. I want a mutual sense of being cared for. I think people shouldn't just be another …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:38 AM
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Social norms like promiscuity being more accepted, and the approacher approachi you dynamic, lookism. And conditions such as poverty, biology, hypergamy, and some other conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:16 AM
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intentionally avoiding having sex when one wants to have sex, that is a conservative approach to sexuality. I disagree. I think avoiding promiscuity is normative for most places, not conservative. Sex is sex, even if it's not loving sex. I agree sex is sex but it can be illegitimate. If I had sex with someone who I didn't love, I would feel depressed about it afterward. For what I did to them, myself, and the idea of standards. It would be opportunistic and sad rather than loving. Surely you do …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:06 AM
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I blame social norms and other conditions for why I've never had someone. And I'm angry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:50 AM
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Again, it's not inherently conservative. I think promiscuity is bad because it's not genuine. It lacks the Amore. Without love, is it not meaningless pleasure seeking behavior? Do you not think cheating is wrong? Don't get me wrong, I don't think it should be illegal, but made taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:35 AM
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The point behind prescribing morality is that it's treated as fact. Axiomatic. Facts can be argued between. Also, the idea that promiscuity is bad isn't inherently conservative or puritan. If it was, then anyone against the idea of cheating on someone is Puritan.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:23 AM
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That's inherently subjective, and if you want to make an argument based on more than an opinion, you are welcome to do so. I'm listening Do you understand what moral prescriptivism is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:15 AM
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Do you think murder is a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:13 AM
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You can say anything is just an option. Crying subjectivity isn't an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:08 AM
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The same problem with someone cheating. It's not genuine. It's just for fast gratification instead of what should be more meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:39 AM
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It depends on how it's framed. In other words, a 50s husband is leagues ahead of a forum lurking nazi in terms of how they are received. And they generally argue on different points that make one seem more deranged than the other. They hold a few of the same issues but live in different conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:09 AM
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Generally, being considered affluent and attractive aren't pathetic. So they'd have to try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:00 AM
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Yes, but it's harder to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:51 AM
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The difference is that's misogyny in the pathetic way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:09 AM
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I think OPs argument was that lookism is bad, not that everyone must have the same opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 11:33 AM
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I've tried enjoying the moment but can't anymore. My mind can't help but fixate on the geostran blunder of 5 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 11:29 AM
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It's not social science at all. It is social science. Why do you think anthropologists use words like fraternal polygamy and hypergamy. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of fasci brain-rod media that co-opt the aesthetics of empiricism. It doesn't mean that the empirics of the matter are null. We all want the best partners we can get and the ones we find attractive in our eyes. This statement is unfalsifiable. I guess it is true that people want what they want. It doesn't take away from the dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 05:00 PM
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Why would anyone adore someone who abusive in or out of relationship? Because people be crazy and desperate. I've met women in person who actively desire an abusive dynamic. They usually don't consider it abusive, or they brush it off as part of being a wife. Also who said these woman who do adore abusive men are mentally stabled? If a quarter of the population is illiterate, at what point does the mental instability become normative and therefore not instable? I don't know about you, but when I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:56 PM
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Men need to work on being attractive as much as women do There's kind of a problem in this. There aren't as many ways for men to be attractive. When I think of women doing things to make themselves more attractive, it's mostly quantifiable cosmetic things. Men typically don't wear makeup as much as women do. Women's fashion is much more diverse and extreme than mens. The rest may rely on personality for which anxiety can't be breached. why aren't more men staying on top of their fitness? It's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 08:25 PM
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What if I don't want to be indecent to women? The standards are fucked and need to change. Something new and better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:20 PM
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why do some men lie about wanting to get married? I don't know why someone would do this other than anxiety or apathy. Perhaps money and assets, in lack of a prenup. They just hope that she'll accept never wanting marriage. To be fair, marriage is just legally binding yourself to another person. Weather or not you love someone should be regardless of whats on paper. Paperwork ≠ Amore. Like genuinely why would someone do that it's so cruel to me. Also wouldn't they feel bad like you're actively l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 05:59 AM
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I think you're struggling to understand. If a household creates a set amount of mess per week and the man refuses to clean his half, why should her workplace compensate her for doing his half? This, but broader sweeping. Do you believe workers should not be compensated for procreating? Women do tell them, repeatedly. Your being sexist right now. Like imagine if I said: and whites tell blacks to stop committing so much violent crime He doesn't listen, she gets sick of it and files for divorce. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:14 PM
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If a woman is doing the cooking and cleaning for both the man and woman, why would her workplace pay her for this? Because maternal and paternal pay should be a right. Men do less cleaning in relationships compared to when they are single, women do more, because they start cleaning up after the man. If your man doesn't clean his own dish that's fucked up. Tell him. Personally, in my household, people are responsible for cleaning the messes that they make. Also what happened to crying statistics?…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:32 AM
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Now you're arguing that women choosing to have children with men is a poor choice and men shouldn't have to compensate women for the time out of work. Exactly, her place of work should have to pay her maternal leave. Meal planning, cooking, cleaning, bills, gardening, maintaining household supplies. How do you think this happens? It takes time, organisation, mental focus and women do most of it in relationships. Once again you're making the point that women should do this and get.... nothing. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:12 AM
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He chose to have those kids too, yet only one of them gets screwed. But that's fair because she chose to get screwed? Precisely. Either parent had a choice to not have kids. There's no good reason why the financially stable partner should have to subsidize the poor behavior or circumstance of the other. I'm not talking about rewarding people for drug addiction. You're saying that women should get nothing for giving up their careers to stay home, raise children, cook all the meals, do ALL of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:28 AM
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When married, most women give up full time work for part time or no work to stay home, attend to the house and take care of the kids. The man is able to chase promotion after promotion earning more and more and more because the woman is staying at home making that possible. If they divorce, she gets... nothing? And has to start again from scratch with little to no experience and earning potential, while the man carries on in his high paid job. She chose to have those kids; in fact she had more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:47 AM
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'Misappropriation of wealth' how exactly? Alimony exists for a reason, despite being rarely awarded nowadays. Why should one party owe money to another just because they were together? Women don't profit from marriage, you're just talking shit. Why are you here if you don't want to engage with the arguments? Both people benefit from marriage via reciprocity. Love, tax benefits, etc, etc. What I'm really trying to argue here is that marrying someone for any other reason but love is wrong. But it …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:15 AM
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This is a video, not stats. In the video, he gives stats. As far as I'm concerned, I didn't get any source for the original claim. How would this be in any way beneficial? It stops the misappropriation of wealth and allows you to joint file your taxes. You've got manosphere brain rot. Explain to me how what I said is incorrect. It's not rocket science to see a dynamic in which one demographic is desperate and the other is profiting from it. There's a reason why hypergamy is a word social scienti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:50 AM
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2 years of life expectancy, have higher levels of stress, have less leisure time, often have to give up our last name None of these are codified into law. And in many cases are actually the opposite. It on average, extends life expectancy, makes you happier, and gives you tax breaks. to give an anecdote my brother took my mother's name and my mother didn't change her name and was married twice. If anything, marriage is actually beneficial and would likely have no problems if it came pre-installe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:24 AM
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But all of those are conditional upon the state of life within the marriage rather than written into law from the jump.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 01:12 AM
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I've seen it happen, guys getting mocked for "fear of commitment" refering to marriage. People mock others for failing at anything, especially social failings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 01:09 AM
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At this rate, I might as well become homeless again. I'll try my best when the time comes, but this is getting ridiculous. After it's over, will it have actually made a difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:39 AM
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¿Never heard of a Five-Year Plan before?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:03 AM
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Girls Just Want to Have Fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:10 AM
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Anytime anyone tells you to do something, it usually involves a plan. Like, have you ever been in a meeting, and they tell you to do xyz? Usually something I've always been told at school or at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:14 AM
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if your plan includes getting married at a certain age The age at what you get married should never be planned. You can't plan love
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:02 AM
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The first thing they always tell you is to set goals. It adds structure and meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 12:57 AM
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Ideally, the father wouldn't have custody after the paper abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:20 AM
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The question is: In this reality, would you prefer to commit to a non-promiscuous, low n, or virgin woman? I would prefer to commit to one person. If so, who are all of the "casual sex" women supposed to be with long-term if men's preference is to fuck hella women casually, but marry a virginal woman? There shouldn't be any "casual sex women." People are free to do what they want, within non aggression, but should be shunned for certain things they do that contribute to a standing norm of passiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:30 AM
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Just because things are unfair doesn't mean we should give up on trying to make them fair. Entitlement isn't rite; it's inherent deservation. Dateing is only immoral, given that things are unfair. Nothing is amoral; there's no such thing as an impartial perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:27 AM
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It doesn't matter if you do, others do, therefore making it pertinent to decideing how people truly act.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:48 AM
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Even if you do, they are not analogous. Engaging socially is completely different over the internet. Being nice here is text on a screen. Being nice in person involves a lot more: timeing, vocalization, body language, etc. The sacrificing of value and reputation tied to you as an individual by virtue being there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:36 AM
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Looking at someone's reddit profile is by no means a good determiner of how they act in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:23 AM
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But, the internet is real life now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 12:06 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:37 AM
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Women's Sexuality is More "Selfish" Because Men's Perspectives Are Baked Into Our Brains From Birth I didn't read the body, but the title is inherently false. Sexuality is heavily informed by cultural circumstance e.g. fraternal polygamy in Nepal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:02 AM
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Most women are egalitarian anyway and don't want this. It not if they want to that bothers me. I know if she's doing just for a place to live, she doesn't want it. What bothers me is that men don't have this option. When's the last time you saw the husband move in with the wife? By your own admission, you don't approach. So it sounds like you're getting approached > you're approaching. I'm speaking on a broader sacle. Generally, men approach more. The infrequency of once a year in my case shows …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 08:50 AM
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It's not a privilege that a woman who wants to escape her family can "shack up" with "some guy." But it is though. Because dictated by social norms, I wasn't able to do that exact thing that I would have needed to do. Why should men be so unvalued. Women already approach men they're interested in/curious about. You yourself said that even despite a lack of sociability, women approach you ~once a year. Well, it hasn't happened this year yet 🙏. My point being, why must it be so infrequent? You kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:07 PM
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Ask him to take you shooting some time. He said we were gonna go, but we never did. Some ranges will even let you shoot .50BMG. When I was a kid, my parrain took me, and someone was shooting one of those. It was extremely loud. That was the only time I went. Gun guys don't also have to only talk about gear. They're always happy to rant about gun control laws, etc. Can also sprinkle in some history, especially if they're into collecting older guns, or weaponry (tanks, artillery, etc.) in general.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 06:55 PM
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Tackin? Was this a typo and you mean talking? Pick the most interesting of your friends' conversations and join in. It was a typo. I meant all of my friends but me have relations. Despite some of each of them having the same mutual negative qualities as I. The most charismatic "friend" I know is a libertarian gun guy. (I put friend in quotation because he's more a friend of a friend) How do I join a conversation I know nothing about nor care much about? There's only so many questions I can ask h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 12:03 AM
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How, in Western society? Maybe in restrictive, backwards Islamist theocracies. The approache-r approach-e dynamic in which the man is expected to approach whereas the woman isn't. A woman can easily escape her family by shaking up with some guy, whereas the man can not. The 2 to 4 year median age gap where the woman tends to be younger. All of these things work on avrages and are silent rules. Ones that effect especially poor young men who then never get out of the conditions that were set for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:21 PM
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Not in regards to sex and relationships, no. No one should be coerced and everyone's consent should matter/be required. But some of these rights and social norms are themselves coercive in regards to sex and relations. When you claimed that "rights" should be changed, implying that you believe you (and others like you) who desire a relationship should have "rights" changed, and even alluded to support for your own position as coersion. You're only presumeing how I want them changed. I never said…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:37 AM
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And that's my entire point. You're using your "entitlement" as grounds to try to change others' behaviors, either out of obligation (societal "peer pressure") or through establishing "rights" (coersion). Which is effectively soft-demanding it. And? Do you not think there are certain social norms and rights that should be changed? Everything coercion if you try hard enough, not to downplay coercion. Since women also have rights, they also get to have or not have a desire for a relationship, both …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 12:21 AM
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There is nothing to argue about because your belief doesn't grant you any rights, nor obligate anyone else. So long as you aren't claiming any rights or the obligation of another to meet your need, believe what you want. But I don't understand why you're trying to attack this specifically. I never argued against this. In terms of rights and law, there are some other things not related. The point in arguing on this front is to understand and change social norms, not rights. Though it could then b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 10:40 PM
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Did you include the example from the Google definition? Yes A word can have multiple meanings Exactly. I used the word one way, and you thought it was the other way. Since I use the word first and describe the way in which I used it, there's nothing to argue about on these grounds. Now, if your opinion as to your own "entitlement" is what it is, and not a desire to influence or coerce others into reciprocating...and it truly represents only an opinion, then why share it with the broader society …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:13 PM
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Society still does not owe you reciprocation of your belief that you deserve intimacy, because that still requires their consent to be freely given. If they reciprocate, it's because they choose to, not because of your personal beliefs. I never said anything about someone owing reciprocation. I don't know who you are arguing against their. If you use language differently from the society in which it is used, don't be surprised when people misinterpret it. But I didn't tho. Even if you defer to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:44 PM
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Then that's a subjective statement of belief, not an objective statement of reality, and "society" is not owed reciprocating just because one "feels" a certain way. All language is subjective and made up. To say I used the word wrong is to say all tongues for which you don't speak are incorrect. I use the word "entitled" and defined it. Or, alternatively, those women have traumas that you don't know about, and those fun and social partners exhibit patterns of abuse that are familiar to them. Or,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:13 AM
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You are not entitled to intimacy with another human. Even the most liberal understanding of "rights" understands those rights stop the moment they infringe on someone else's. I said just above that, that this is not the way in which I used the word entitled. I used it to mean believing oneself is deserving of something. But the issue is that reserved or restricted people seem to feel they are owed a fun and social partner, when they themselves are not fun or social. You know, I know women who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:25 PM
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When used in the context of specificities, the word "entitled" is generally understood to mean the concept of "rights" Well, that's not the way I mean. Horrible argument. By this logic, masturbation and wet dreams are also "procreation." Fucking inanimate objects would be "procreation." Misinterpretation. Sex, even without conception, functionally tricks the body into thinking procreation is taking place. Masturbation does not emulate the same because of the lack of intimacy with another human. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:33 PM
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(Checks your flair, and it checks out). No, you are not entitled to procreation. Even if you accept this as a "basic human right" (which I do not), infertile people and animals still exist. The consent of the partner in procreation also matters. If your aim is simply reproduction, go walk into a fertility clinic, find some donor eggs and a gestational surrogate, and have the children of your dreams. Wrong. Entitled meraly means believeing ones self to be deserving of something. So everyone, exce…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:32 PM
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Interesting connection
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:25 PM
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The issue with being entitled to procreation is that procreation requires two consenting parties, not just one. Entitled meaning you believe that you deserve something. Both parties are entitled to the same thing through mutual codependents. Henry Cavill is in a committed relationship with a baby on the way (or born), is he whore-esque? He seems very reasonable to me. I don't know who he is. But when we make claims here, we speak on average trends, not rigidly defined rules. There will always be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:19 PM
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See, a lot of people will never bite the bullet on childhood, and adolescents actually being horrible. And it's never truer than today. Maybe being a kid was better several decades ago, and that's why people romanticize it, but idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:53 PM
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IMO the biggest culprit is the misguided notion that dating/sex/relationships are a morality problem, as if being "good" and "virtuous" entitles one to another's body. But it very much can be a moral issue. Morals are prescribed and socially determined. By virtue of being alive, are you not entitled to procreation? Potentially the only objective meaning of all life forms. Ironically those who fail at attraction, then flip the misguided framework on its head, projecting "asshole" traits onto thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:29 PM
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I can't blame them. Look at the state of things. As time goes on, the potential quality only gets worse. They don't grow out of it they either get lucky or buy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:22 PM
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In terms of just sex yes. But in terms of the hole shabang, no. If you don't seek companionship, something is wrong with you. This is a very sad set of circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:21 PM
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Based on yesterday's dick debate, you seem disgruntled about it. It's as simple as statistically they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:18 PM
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See, that's the problem. How do you fix dullness?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:29 AM
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Those could work, but it's a stretch. Especially if you live in small town America.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:26 AM
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I think dating apps are too impersonal and sleazy. It need feel special or why must I live. I also really like music. But there's a problem with that as being a social hobby. Unless you play it, you can't talk about music with the majority of people. Because there's kind of nothing to talk about other than talking at them or saying you like xyz. I've experienced this problem both ways where I don't want to listen to the music that someone else is playing or their opinions about it. But on very r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:24 AM
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What would you suggest someone do if their interests don't have a public function? Or even worse, they're severaly lacking in social personhood i.e. boring?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:05 AM
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What would you suggest someone do if their interests don't have a public function? Or even worse, they're severaly lacking in social personhood i.e. boring?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:04 AM
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Does watching Robert Sapolsky and reading the www.nlm.nih.gov and others count as homework? Appealing to biology and making moral prescriptions isn't inherently faulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:46 AM
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I feel like if it really actually hurt really uncomfortably bad, then there wouldn't be a market for over endowed sex toys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:37 AM
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That's only when you don't consider whore-esk behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:33 AM
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The cabin fever, it itches!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:09 AM
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Nearly every woman I know has been with someone else who I know from high school. It's all been ruined for so long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:54 AM
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So it only matters if it's personal?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:43 AM
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Not really, no. Either one of us is talking about something the other doesn't care about. Giving challenge. Or we're doing hypotheticals or gossip. Which I think we both find fun. Sometimes playing a game. Exedra.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 10:16 PM
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That's really hard to define. Possibly anything we find mutually interesting. But if one of us knows more than the other, it's ranting. So, I guess the most engaged conversation would be a knowledgeable person and an inquisitive one who are mutually interested. Ranting, but we both enjoy it. But this is too hard a line to walk. At worst, it's a forced interaction where one person is uninterested or uncomfortable. Or were one is being passive-aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 10:06 PM
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It's not necessarily just the weather, but something just as pointless. It feels like the majority of conversating is meaningless. But at the same time, for it to be meaningful, the other person would already have to be interested in that subject nullifying anything said. It seems the only way to have a good conversation is to like the person, then anxiety, or to rant at someone, then there bord.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 04:43 PM
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This is a failing of the man because god damn no one can engage in flirting and clock indications of interest. Everyone goes autistically hard on the cold approach, extremely hard sell, zero banter. Like men are being taught that it's a numbers game, and you have to approach a high volume of women to get results, and so that throws all nuance and specificity out the window. Flirting and banter always start as a cold approach. There is no middle ground to talking to someone for the first time. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 10:12 AM
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This can't be deliberately fixed. The best we could do is make them not poor and wait for the norms to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 10:04 AM
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In broad strokes, it has i.e. not wating till marriage and the rise whore-esk behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 10:00 AM
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We can she that rape is not ok but if you had consenting sex then nobody is forcing you into parenthood. Using this logic, no one is forcing a woman to get pregnant outside of rape, so why must she have the right to abortion? Nothing is unequal, you are just doing mental gymnastics to get out of consequences. The fact that male abortion is illegal is unequal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:01 PM
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Obviously, you know where we stand of the "utopia" and welfare answers. I'd still argue that forceing someone into parenthood is unfair, without another option. The state should still cover the cost of unaccommodated kids of parents of means. Just because we don't live in a utopia doesn't mean we should settle for unequal abortion rights!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:22 AM
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It is a penalty if the neglected kids qualifies for subsidies. It's completely unfair to anyone doing the right thing by their kids. Ah, yes, the government paying for the welfare of kids is unfair. Using this logic, the current system is unfair because people who neglect their kids still get benefits. Under this system your kids could have a brighter future if you don't get married and sign a paper. And should kids not have a bigger and brighter future? We're talking about unaccommodated kids. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 07:41 PM
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Your system sounds logical except parents who are together and not extremely poor still have to pay for their kids, and having kids makes them significantly less poor. It's still financial punishment for people doing the right thing. I don't understand what you mean? It just sounds like you're saying: paying taxes is financial punishment for the capable. I think we should support more stuff with taxes and once we have that system then the idea of no child support for someone under a certain inco…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:18 AM
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I think we should have free college for everyone, not just the poor but until then I do not support men being able to sign a paper to get out of paying for their kid's college. But using your logic free college for everyone means paying for kids whose parents can pay but wouldn't have to. How is this any different? That just penalized couples who are together or parents who don't financially abandon their kids. Like I said before, it can be set up in a way in which it wouldn't be lucrative to ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:30 PM
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It would be significantly different because right now men pay support based on their income, if he has insurance through work and mom doesn't the child gets covered by a parent and isn't put on government funding. But he should be covered regardless. What's covering it doesn't matter. What happens when the guy is in school and knocks up his GF. He's poor so you just let him out of child support forever, but the next year he's making 80k starting? How is that fair that this child might now be in …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 10:49 PM
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But if we start subsidizing some people who have plenty of money just because they signed a paper we will have problems. Like I've said before, this could be means tested. E.g. anyone making more than x amount of money can't apply, etc. That was just a base. Also there are problems under the current arrangement of things anyway. How would this be significantly different? Why push back on this one form of equal means other than sexual proclivity?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:18 PM
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We're human. The poorly socialised and unattractive mostly know what they’re in for. By virtue of being human, we're intitaled to relations. And this is very one-sided by sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:10 PM
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I'm not in the habit of calling people on Medicaid lazy or deadbeat but that's the definition of this guy. When I grew up, I was on Medicaid, likely because my dad didn't have a job. Would you then say that paying for my Medicaid as a child was subsidizing my lazy father?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:35 PM
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Where socially different in regards to interest and whatnot. Meaning I may have only one female friend for every five male friends. I only had two good friends. That's on top of the anxiety surrounding the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:25 PM
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If she wanted to talk to me or I her. There's an immediate emotional connection. When people have made an active effort to talk with me in the past, I don't forget it. As long as they didn't annoy me or severely insult someone, I likely have a positive opinion of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 10:05 AM
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*interaction
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:43 AM
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But if I have a bad intention I won't just feel uncomfortable. I'll feel distraught.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:40 AM
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Don't most people in the first world?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:26 AM
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No, if I were, then I wouldn't have a learned fear of awkwardness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:19 AM
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If men can financially abandon children they make you won't be paying for the general welfare of poor people but also the general welfare of irresponsible people of means. No, you're paying for their kids. Must it be phrased in such a malice way. Like imagine if I said: Paying for Medicaid is paying for lazy people who don't want to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:18 AM
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Having an awkward interaction and having to remember it for years to come.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:11 AM
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No, we didn't get those opportunities. School, sit down and be quiet for 9 hours. Clubs, camps, social events; not if you're poor and live in samll town America. And even when opportunities are presented, the first hurdle never gets cleared because of infrequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:56 AM
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If the majority were for it by choice, then it's not a role by force in the sense of conformity. Therefore, they were still against gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:38 AM
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Feminism was never about abolishing gender roles, it was about attaining rights for women. The suffragettes wanted to vote, but they were still wearing dresses. That's only if you don't consider the waves of feminism after the suffragettes. Which consider gender roles as inherently oppressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:29 AM
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Feminism was never about abolishing gender roles, it was about attaining rights for women. The suffragettes wanted to vote, but they were still wearing dresses. That's only if you don't consider the waves of feminism after the suffragettes. Which considers gender roles as inherently oppressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:29 AM
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Both sexes can prevent obligation by making better birth control decisions. There are many ways to have sex that eliminate the risk of pregnancy. She only gets one more chance to prevent it then he does and only because of where pregnancy occurs. When men get pregnant they get the extra chance. But there could easily be a chance for him. The financial system this supposed abortion exists in is totally pertinent. Why should parents who stay together be financially penalized by having to pay for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 01:12 AM
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Abortion prevents the pregnancy from becoming a baby that needs support so yes it be default prevents both parents from financial responsibility. It doesn't only get her out of the obligation it prevents the obligation. Not only one sex should be able to prevent obligation. Nobody is enshrining the rights of the child before birth, you can't do anything legally regarding a child until after birth. I'm confused why you think I'm proposing any changes prebirth? Only children who are born require f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:15 PM
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No i fully support men to also have medical abortions if needed. I don't support men being able to create children the financially abandon. I also don't support women being able to create children they financially abandon. Everyone should pay for the children they make unless adoption is arranged because it's better for the kids. But a wöman can have an abortion and just abandon all financial responsibility after conception? This is totally fair. You know. To have one demographic of people based…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:30 PM
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By desperocity, I meant the lowering of standards and prerequisites just to get it in their. Another question I have is: Do you think promiscuity taints the so-called "dateing market" for the rest of us?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:14 PM
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What a shitty dynamic we live in. I ought to become part of the 23:6 ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:07 PM
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You are claiming that if fathers are legally not responsible for financially supporting their children anymore that it will make society more cohesive and bring people together. That's not what I'm arguing. Those are two separate things I'm arguing for. One is equality in abortion rights, and the other is social cohesiveness. If children were raised by more of a community, then they are now, it would increase small-scale social dynamics. Can you name a society where this has happened? Well, bake…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:04 PM
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But I'd say the difference is that many of the women that don't aline with the beauty standards still get in their. Their male counterparts don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:41 PM
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Prior to the 1950s unwanted children roaming the streets stealing food was common, what a great system to want to rush back to just so men can avoid cold support payments for their offspring. Do you not read when I reply? Do you know what a Kibbutz is? Prior to the 1950s was the Great Depression and World Wars. Communal raising of children would take a different shape in today's society. The society of yestercentury was prime for anyone to fall into delinquency. Also, it's not just so deadbeat d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:38 PM
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Do you think more women than men just want casual sex? I'd imagine it's the same dynamic with a vocal minority but in terms of numbers. Also, how do you think desperosity plays a role in this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:25 PM
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Ideally, yes, but they act like it's deeper than this. They want to play cat and mouse instead of commit. In other words, usually, if someone were to say, just leave your abuser unless it's your dad. It would be met with disapproval.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:19 PM
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Conversely, women don't want the short guy 😢
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:06 PM
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Have you never heard the saying it takes two to make a kid but a village to raise it. Ideally, kids may be raised communally. Possibly similar to the Kibbutz. We lake social cohesiveness. What's so bad about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:59 PM
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They will be being raised. Just not by parents who didn't want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:47 PM
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I think approach in this context has a broader meaning. Approach should just mean engage socially for the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:31 PM
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Is it okay to say the same thing about a womans abuse? Unless it's your dad just leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:20 PM
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I think this entire sub needs a lesson on non-essentialism
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:17 PM
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Not unfair to the women, unfair to their kids. Not that the kids seem to be any concern for you at all. No, it is fair to the woman. She also has the choice. Also, how many times do you recall me saying the words "general welfare" and "children" in the same sentence? If you read my replies, you surely don't digest them. Oh so this is arepipulation thing. Men can go out and make unpaid for babies all over so we can repopulate? The stretch just keeps going. Did you not read what I wrote? I said th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:50 PM
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Damn, imagine getting to have an encounter. What have they been like? Have they been awkward? Do you think women get more encounters?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:39 PM
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I don't think most just want casual sex. But a very loud minority do, which has been injected into pop culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:49 AM
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Always a presumption ha
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:33 AM
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This is very true. I want to say I look at porn less than half the time. Oftentimes, it just upsets me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:51 AM
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I agree with this in the abstract way. That for the sex to be most fulfilling, I couldn't just be attracted to them sexually. I would need to be more obsessed. But that is also to mention that having sex does correlate with better health and longer lifespan. Sexually active life expectancy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:56 AM
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More equal when mean with means Do you mean men with means? There's no economic barrier to fileing this document. can legally abandon their offspring to the system to support instead, yeah so fair HAHAHAHAHAH It is fair. How is it not fair? What's unfair is that women have unilateral control over parenthood after conception. There's that doubel standard again. Women who want to have an abortion when the birth rate is this low is treason. That's effectively what you're saying but about male abort…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:41 AM
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Yay wealthy men dumping their bastards on the already overwhelmed system. I never said anything about maintaining the current state of the economy. It's already fucked in this respect. But it could be more equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 09:27 PM
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But if all the dad needs to do is sign a piece of paper declaring that he doesn't want any responsibility for the child he created, then what are the circumstances that would cause him issue exactly? If he wants the kid, then he pays for the kid. If he doesn't file for an abortion then he pays for the kid. Or if the kid is born and then he doesn't want the kid, he pays for the kid. Either your plan would cause more children to be born into poor circumstances since it's primarily poor women who l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:15 PM
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Woops, how does pregnancy still suck for the father exactly? Because he still might be liable for the child if circumstances don't pan out in his favor. Also, just having a child in general is a problem even if they want it. You want there to be more deadbeat dads though therefore more children suffering financially. Well, more of them may be aborted instead of raised by a single parent under this system. Being raised by a single parent correlates with poor juvenile performance, usually due to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:52 PM
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How does organdy still stick for the father in this scenario exactly? I don't understand what you mean. If women have abortions there are no kids too suffer. It's a very different argument. Prevent pregnancy from becoming a baby and therefore a person or make a person and abandon it Kids won't be suffering. If you're concerned about the economic insecurities caused by deadbeat dads. That's already a thing that happens under the current system.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 09:43 AM
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If a fetus doesn't turn into a baby there is nothing to support. You get the difference between a baby never happening and one that is born and need people to care for it? I do understand the difference. But only one sex gets that decision. It is fair to give kids up for adoption because both parents have to be ok with it and new parents are assuming financial responsibility. Both parents get to decide? Wo now. Don't get any crazy ideas. This system just incentivizes people to have unprotected s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:34 AM
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The fact that only women get pregnant is sexist. That's not sexist. That's just a biological reality. For it to be sexist, it needs to be an unfair social order imposed by society giving one sex preferential treatment. Most of the time, women get the short end of the stick. But not in this respect. Yeah you are right, that is totally unfair, but its not an unfairness that can be fixed. It can be fixed if we legalize abortion for both sexes. What about the child who is hungry and suffers while th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:42 PM
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Who is "they?" Other redditors? It doesn't actually exist anywhere in law so it's all just something people desire to exist. Mens rights activists call it this. The wikipedia calls it this. Also, Do Chairs Exist? We've addressed all of the arguments in meaningful ways. I meant you haven't Men can't get pregnant. Agreed in the sense of the fetus being inside of them. Disagreed in the paternal postpartum depression and financial obligation sense. Ontologicaly, they can and do. Abortion doesn't' ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:58 PM
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Just because you call a paper you signed a financial abortion doesn't mean it's actually abortion. But it is because thats what they call it. Are you gonna tell a French person: ermmm actually it's red, not rouge, just because you call it that doesn't mean that's what it's called. You can call something whatever you want, but that doesn't make it so. But it is though, because that's what people who talk about this call it. And I've already gone over how it's analogous. You clearly can just argue…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:05 PM
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But I mostly find there's a valid excuse e.g. food conglomerates adding high fructose corn syrup to nearly all foods due to corn subsidies. An addictive suger that doesn't trigger the brains satiety signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 05:11 PM
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How is it dangerous to acknowledge that they exist? Not acknowledging the underprivileged is a step in the wrong direction. There's a big difference between adding iron fillings and simply not being able to cook because you don't have an oven.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 05:00 PM
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But what if my pizza is only 5' 4" and I can only get cheap ingredients due to poor upbringing and financial circumstance?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 04:54 PM
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Abortion is available for both sexes, anyone who gets pregnant and lives where abortions exist can call the dr. Can you show one place where abortion laws specifically state that a pregnant man doesn't get to have one? Men can't get pregnant in that sense because of the nature of male gonads. Effectively making the male abortion illegal. They also call paper abortions, male abortions by the way. Also, men can get pregnant in a sense. E.g. paternal postpartum depression, financial obligationc etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 04:22 PM
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you will just never admit it. Of course, I'll admit there is a difference. Just not one that's pertinent to equality. People desire fairness but some things just never can be totally the same for everyone because of physical differences. Just as the nazis measured African skulls and determined their biological inequity and how it shouldn't be reflected in social and political ways. The only hope is that science catches up and either 100 percent effective birth control options become available fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:51 PM
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Are you not even going to engage, instead resorting to sarcastic ad hominem. In the sense of parental responsibility, there's no difference between an abortion and a paper abortion. That's why they call it a paper abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:25 PM
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Line drawing fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:13 PM
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At the root, it is because one one sex can get pregnant. But the disparity only comes in through law that either allows or disallows abortion in all forms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 02:18 PM
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You mean the unfairness that one person unilaterally decides to be a parent due to abortion. The fact that there pregnant isn't truly the disparity, it's one sex abortions. We know it's not pregnancy because if abortion was illegal then isn't a disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 02:04 PM
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Are you also upset that men don't get pregnant because that is the part that is making this unfair. At the root, that is the part that makes it unfair. The only thing that I'm upset about is the disparity between who can decide to rid themselves of responsibility. You are literally whining about biology and struggling to find a way to make men and women the same in pregnancy, which is physically impossible. I don't know. You seem to be struggling to find a way to argue against this clear dispari…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 02:11 AM
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Right so you go to court after the child is born and the judge decides But that doesn't square the fact that abortion, in and of itself, is a legal decision about an unborn person. The mother is already making decisions about a person who doesn't exist that has financial implications on the father. This is unfair and sexist. which is what happens ???
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 06:54 PM
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which is what happens ???
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 06:18 PM
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Exactly, a decision made about an 'unborn person', such as abortion, shouldn't have financial implications on someone else. If there isn't even a person yet, then someone shouldn't owe money to this imaginary person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 04:46 PM
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Ok so then you proposing a legal agreement between two people which would void the rights of a third person. It's not born yet. It doesn't have a Social Security number yet. It's not a person yet. I don't recognize the fetus as a person with unalienable rights until it's out. If I did recognize the fetus as a person, then I would think abortion is murder. It wouldn't be able to pass under the current legal system but maybe you have hope in the future if we get rid of the constitution and persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 01:39 AM
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Just because you are making up something in your head and calling it a legal process doesn't make it a real legal process. There are already laws in place to prevent anyone from making legal agreements about child support for children that don't exist yet. No, but in the context of us talking about it, it is. You could say this about anything that isn't the case yet. Well, just because you think the population should be able to vote on their government officials doesn't make it real. Said the no…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 12:17 AM
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So threats don't count unless they are physical like holding a knife now? Threats can be subtle to. But we're talking about a legal process. Extortion is a crime not a legal process. You are trying to get a financial benefit from forcing them to have a medical procedure, that would fall under the definition of extortion. It wouldn't because we're not forcing anyone to do anything. If you want to get technical, giving birth is also a medical procedure. Since she's pregnant, she's going to have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:25 PM
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Individuals get to decide when the cells are inside of them. Unless it's rape, prevention sabotage, prevention failure, etc. They both could have prevented the cells from fertilization. In this regard, it is equal. There are no threats in this process? No, at what point did I say: And then the father holds the mother a nife point until she agrees to abort? Have this medical procedure against you will or have out baby alone with zero help from me the other person who made it. It's still extortion…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 09:45 PM
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Ony one sex gets and extra out only for a short window of time But this short window of time is crucial to the next 20 years of their life. Sexism is thinking you should be able to bully a woman into having an abortion against her will by threatening to ditch her with all the responsibility for the child you made together on her own. wonderful strawman 👏 Good thing we're not bullying anyone into getting an abortion. There are no threats in this process. The child was made together. But only she …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 09:27 PM
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In order to see inequality here you have to compare things that are not equal In this dynamic, the mother and father aren't equal. They both made it, they both could have prevented it. But only one sex has a final 100/0 decision to have the baby, therefore imposing fiduciary responsibilities. It would be equal if both sexes had the final decision to relinquish legal obligation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 09:00 PM
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Could a person break their own neck to get out of working? They could, but that doesn't give you the legal argument to collect disability Actually, it does. If they are now disabled after this intentional injury, then yes, they can collect disability. If you are physically unable to have an abortion that prevents you from having an abortion. I don't know how many people that would effect. Presumably, a small minority of people, not enough to inform policy. Wop wop You have the same right as a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:14 PM
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Women do not have the right to abort in order to get them out of the legal responsibility But they do if they can same day delivery mifepristone from their dealer. It's like saying a kid getting himself hospitalized to avoid school doesn't have the right to do so. But he can simply do it. Women do not have 100 percent decision making in not having kids. Many women try to do their best to prevent pregnancy and still end up pregnant. Every single type of birth control comes with a warning that it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:10 PM
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The pregnant person can make a medical decision with their doctor is select locations get pregnant and have the same options. What is unfair about that? It's unfair because what is supposedly 50/50 in the making can be thwarted by one person's medical decisions; and then have implications on the others' finances and obligations. How did the mother had the exact same role in creation as the father. Each pregnant person has the same rights as other pregnant people. Each parent is financially respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:59 PM
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The conflicts I see them get into can't even be called conflicts. She just gets silently mad and then lashes out at people around her that she's comfortable with. I think she's more mad at circumstances than the people. Although this is probably more of a her issue and not a trend in relations issue. So I guess the better question would be: What do you do when the conflicts aren't salient?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:41 PM
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There is equality the way things are now. Anyone who has a pregnancy inside of them, man or woman, can get an abortion within the laws of where they live. That's inherently unequal because the mother can opt out before the baby is born, but after she's pregnant. But the father can't. Also, where they live shouldn't matter. Everyone who makes a baby is financially responsible unless both parents agree to adoption. But the mother had more of a role in the making of the baby, given that you could h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:29 PM
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So you're saying bickering is inevitable? Because I have a friend that does nothing wrong, and she's always mad at him for something trivial. He doesn't even push back on it now. But every now and again, her anger does seem warranted. What would you suggest be done if you can't please somebody?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:12 PM
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So you want to boost up the size and cost of the government so we can police people because we are giving them more legal options to not pay for kids they made? Yes, except for the police part. The mere existence of statecraft and a legal system doesn't mean the policeing is inherently bad. If the father is living with the mother and she claims the kids in taxes but they are getting government support because technically he filed the paperwork it's still an overall benefit to them both. No, beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:21 PM
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Do you know what a second semester abortion is like? You can't possibly say that just because it's legal to get that its a viable option for people who just don't want kids. I don't know what it's like. If it isn't a viable option, then why do people get it? The vast majority of second trimester abortions are for children who were wanted but there was something wrong with the pregnancy. Maybe you should learn more about what different abortions actually entail. I do want to learn more about ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:41 PM
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Physical abortion is only available in select situations for a small number of weeks though, why does this paper abortion last for the entire pregnancy? I never said it lasts for the entire pregnancy. In fact, yesterday, I brought up that there would need to be deadlines. It's not a small number of weeks. In most jurisdictions, it was 24 weeks. But the deadline for paperwork can be something like 18 weeks, maybe less. I'm not a policy maker. Or couldn't women just never tell the father he's goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:55 PM
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Calling a piece of paper and abortion doesn't make it actually be an abortion though. What is or isn't something it's an arbitrary line draw. Part of the etymology of the word abortion comes from the English word abort. What is someone who has an abortion doing other than aborting there responsibilities. So do you think that women with children should be able to leave them on the doorstep of the fathers with a paper they signed saying this is no longer my kid No, because the child has already be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:15 PM
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There is no abortion for both parents because the pregnancy isn't in his body. Thus, we call it a paper abortion. After birth their option is to agree to adoption which takes both parents to agree. Not if only one of them has custody through paper abortion. Talk her into adoption. If she had the kid, she likely wanted the kid. Otherwise, she would have gotten an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 01:51 PM
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you can't say otherwise. But I can It is an attempt to force her to abort by saying she's all on her own It's forcing her in the same way that you're forced to get a job, but no one's forcing you to get a particular job. Adoption isn't something only the mom has to do. It is if the paper abortion is filed. Child support is for both parents because they both made the kid. Abortion is for both parents because they both made the kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 01:03 PM
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So we are back to the you can't force someone else to have a medical procedure thing. Keep trying tho Key word is CHOICE. She can not have the abortion or give it up for adoption or raise the kid. Calling this forcing her would be like saying someone is being forced to become a janitor even though other occupations are available. Taking Tylenol is also a medical procedure, so stop sensationalizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:52 AM
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Why would filling before the child is born mean anything? It's too late if the pregnancy is already created. Because the mother still has the choice to have a physical abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:21 PM
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The father could also use preventative measures but none of them are 100 percent. Never said otherwise. Both parents are responsible for kids who are born you want the dad to be able not to be by declaring so after the fact. Wrong, he would have to file before the child was born. That's crazy and never happening Saying it's crazy and will never happen is just as crazy as saying we will never achieve equality and that women will never get their abortion rights back.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:58 PM
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You can keep trying to make it out like the pregnancy happening was all on her but she literally could not get pregnant alone. That is the denial of reality. I see what you meant. She couldn't have gotten pregnant alone, but she could get an abortion alone. That's the crucial difference. Like I said before, they both created it they both could have prevented it, but unfairly, only one of them can relinquish responsibility. The HIV analogy doesn't work because she's not pregnant before you have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 05:49 PM
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he had no responsibility for making sure pregnancy doesn't happen. He's incentivized for part of the same reason. He still might be responsible if the kid is born and he didn't file. Also, SDTs. In the same way that knowingly giving someone HIV without notifying them beforehand is illegal. It's should also be illegal to hold the baby without notifying the father until the deadline is up. Men want all the enjoyment of sex with no responsibility for what sex is made to accomplish. That's a broad e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:45 PM
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It's only her responsibility if the dad doesn't want the kid... after he got her pregnant. You mean after she had the decision to abort or adopt the baby. This literally makes no sense if you say he had responsibility to make it not happen. But they both had the opportunity to use prevention. Only one had the option to end it finally. If there is zero consequence to him if it happens then he had no responsibility to make sure it didn't happen. His insensitive to use prevention are STDs and not r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:08 PM
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You have said over and over it's all on the woman, it's her responsibility to prevent and her responsibility alone to have consequences. I never said this. You didn't answer my question. What exact text gave you this impression? It's only her responsibility if the dad didn't want the kid, and she decided to have the kid. I've a few times already that prevention is both parties' jobs. Don't put words in my mouth. How you can turn around and say you believe in men taking responsibility is laughabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:38 PM
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How is being financially responsible for something you physically created extortion? Because I didn't choose for it to be created. See if I had complete control in its creation, then sure, I should 100%. But someone else decided to create it and I have to pay for it. I didn't say abortion being illegal is extortion telling a pregnant woman she has 2 choices to either abort or take on all the responsibility alone is extortion. No, I said if you think it's coercion for the state to outlaw abortion…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:55 AM
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I have only seen this with one of my friends, in which he does more. With all other couples, it seems like they are both barely doing anything, or the woman is putting in more. But this is only what can be observed from outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:30 AM
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Taking pills that cause you to cramp and expel things from inside you is definitely a medical procedure, the effects can last days and sometime aren't fully complete. It's only an option for a very small window of time. You declaring that something isn't a medical procedure doesn't make it such. I know it is a medical procedure. But so is taking laxatives. My point being that's calling that is extracting because the connotation behind 'medical procedure' is going under the knife. Just like sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:06 AM
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If the pregnancy was in your body then your opinions about religion would matter as far as abortion And if a Christian had a fever dream where god told them to kill 13 kids in a school, the devine command theorist would do it. I don't believe in god. Therefore, it only matters in that I don't care. but the pregnancy is not inside of your body so your opinion about it doesn't matter. But it does matter because it would be my sperm and my money on the line. The sperm that came from my body, so yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 11:35 PM
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You keep pretending like abortion is a viable option for many women in the US but it is not. We've already been over this point yesterday. I support both forms of abortion. Because the argument for paper abortion relies on the woman having a choice, it wouldn't be legal without physical abortions being legal. You can't force the person you impregnated to believe in abortion or go through an abortion. We went over this point yesterday as well. Just because someone's morals or religion says XY or …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 10:09 PM
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Yeah pregnancy is no big deal, just do adoption... says a man who literally can't get pregnant and won't get his entire life totally fucked up by it. I never said to do adoption, just that it's one the choices that they can take. I still have some hope left. If people get with someone they shouldn't then they bear 50 percent of the responsibility for the child created. But not if it's aborted. If she decides to abort it, there is no responsibility on her part. If the woman wanted to, she could b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 09:35 PM
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It's only on her if he decides it to be. Just as the burden would be on nobody if she decided it to be. Or if they decided to put it up for adoption. It's simple, really. Why any woman would ever consider having sex with a man who thinks Are you kidding me. Some people will have sex with anything regardless of belief. I've seen men and women alike get with people they really shouldn't have. For men likely because of desperosity. For women likely because of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 08:44 PM
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So if you get in a car accident where both parties made bad decisions do you also say you didn't want the bad outcome so you refuse to pay? That depends on whether or not I caused the accident. If I were a passenger or a pedestrian, I should only have to foot something small. But these two things aren't analogous; both parents likely consented to sexual activity. Whereas in a car accident, the person at fault is imposing these circumstances on others. It's also not analogous in that the car with…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 06:21 PM
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If your saying that the costs of children should fall 100 percent on the mom because she didn't get an abortion you are trying to force her to have a medical procedure. That's her decision. If she wanted the child, then she should have to pay for the child. If he wanted the child, then they split the bill. If she didn't want the child, she could do a physical or paper abortion. No one is forcing anyone to do anything here. There is no other way to argue that. If she wants it but he doesn't she s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:39 PM
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But you can't force someone else to have a medical procedure against their will. No one is forcing anyone else to have a medical procedure. What's unfair about the man relinquishing privileges and expenditures of the child, to the mother or state, and the mother deciding whether or not to have an abortion? It's unfair to give one sex the privilege to make financial decisions for the both of them without a way out. That's why men should have full rights to make decisions about their bodies just t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 12:41 PM
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It's not sexist to say both parents should be responsible financially for babies they make. It isn't. Until you say one party, based on sex alone, has the sole unchecked power to decide finally whether the child even exists. Which then has financial implications for the both of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:50 PM
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Unfavorable, but slightly more equal, it will be if abortion is outlawed federally. I don't know how you could be pro abortion for women but not men. Wanting one but not the other is sexist. Appeals to family's opinion and religion aren't hardship. What does benadryl have to do with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:34 PM
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There are lots of sex acts that do not include leaving sperm inside of the womans vagina, there are multiple forms of birth control that men can see and have control over, you might not want to pay for a child but you still went through the baby making process anyway. But there's only one final decision that inherently involves me, for which I don't have a choice in. If she gets accidentally pregnant due to birth control failure or whatnot its not like she was looking forward to dedicating her n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:21 PM
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He gets control over the parts that are inside his body while they are inside his body. The woman gets control over the parts that are in her body to some extent depending on where she lives. Why should what's in her body dictate his money? Especially given that she can choose to get rid of it. I still don't see what is unfair about the man opting out before birth and the woman deciding to keep or not, especially given her knowledge of lack of support. Like, imagine if you knew in about a year f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:01 PM
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The only reason women get the option to take a very hard opt out is that pregnancy requires the use of her body. It requires the man's body as well. Not to the same extent, of course, but it does. 9 months of pregnancy doesn't equate 19 years of payments. Corroborating surrogacy payments with total child support payments. One parent obviously has more power in this dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:01 PM
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Children without both parents involvement are less likely to succeed, more likely to go hungry, more likely to end up in the system, more likely to require government housing, government healthcare etc. All of these are general poverty problems, not problems with abortion. If the people who make the kids don't have to financially support their kids then the rest of us will have to do it. I'm ok with this. We already pay for public education. Why not the general welfare of children? Every single …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:49 PM
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I know both parents pay, but only one parent has the option to opt out in the end. Why not both? Would you at least agree if it was a rape baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:42 PM
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Our society is everyone pay for their own shit and you made that shit you pay for it. But I only made half of it, and the person who made the other half got to decide whether or not I pay for it. This is inherently unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:42 PM
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Damn, I must have been mistaken. But it still doesn't thwart the arguments in favor of abortion. Tell me, what's wrong with paper abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:37 PM
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But it doesn't have to be this way. Countries, like Denmark, have been doing paper abortion for over 20 years now. both parents are financially responsible for what they make Not if they put the child up for adoption
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:58 PM
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You know, I think that sounds perfect. Ideally, the child would have both parents, but when they don't, it would make sense for the state to subsidize single parents in lieu of child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:03 PM
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Do you mean some kind of UBI?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:41 PM
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Do you mean a trial run? means testing Married women can get regular abortions though. But they usually don't while married. And if they do, then there's no way to make this more equal. It's as far as it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:07 PM
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Those problems could be easily fixed by means testing a paper abortion. Like no married couples can get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:57 PM
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Have you ever personally known someone who took it? Any idea what that is like? No idea Why should women bear all of the burden for making children through sex 100 percent alone exactly? It's unfortunate, but it's biology. Both parents made it. Both parents could have prevented it. Both parents should be able to abort it. It's just equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:54 PM
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As amazing as a post scarcity economy would be, we're far from it, if it's even attainable. Until then, people still have to work. At least their labor should be compensated equivalent to the value it produces.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:50 PM
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So what does Denmark or Argentina do when a married man wants a financial abortion? I couldn't find anything on the specifics. Just that they have it. And that it typically takes place before birth. If you find anything legible, pls send it to me. Also, what if they are poor and it’s more lucrative for the dad to financially abort his kids so that they get welfare rather than to financially support them himself? Especially since his wife would still live with him and doesn’t want a divorce? And …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:29 PM
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Ideally, it would function everywhere. In America, it would mean more single mothers struggling, but ideally, there would be a change in welfare benefits and abortion rights to supplement this. I just think that neither parent should be forced into a financial burden that they don't need or want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:16 PM
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Can you tell us what they do in Argentina or Denmark? I don't know exactly what they do, but given that they've been doing this for 20 years in Denmark, I'm sure the policy makers have had it sorted out by now. What’s stopping a married man from financially aborting all his kids when his wife is a SAHM? And they don’t want to divorce? What if he gets her pregnant 3 times then financially aborts each kid while they are married and they stay married? What if he supports them under the table with c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:11 PM
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But how much do women get in welfare? I'm not a policy maker, so I can't say. Whatever is the right amount. Something something, Continuum Fallacy. Where is this magical utopia with amazing welfare? Likely Scandinavia
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:05 PM
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What’s stopping married men from having their wives depend on the welfare state then? They can no longer claim a dependent on their taxes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:53 PM
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How is this going to work with a financial abortion? Dad wouldn't support or have custody of that one kid. But since this may be abusive to that one kid, there could be limitations on the extent to which paper abortion can be done. Look into Denmark and Argentina's laws maybe. And why are we performing abortions AFTER the kid is born? Typically, the countries that do paper abortion don't allow it after birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:51 PM
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Either the welfare state would pay for it, or she would have to support the kid on a single income. Likely both.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:40 PM
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It would be a rare occurrence, but they would stay married, and the kid would only belong to mom. There could be some kind of requirement for a contract like this like the parents would need to be separate. I just don't see this scenario happening. I should look into how it's done in Denmark.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:36 PM
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If both parents don't want the kid and it's been born, custody would go to a relative, or the kid would become a ward of the state. Is it abusive to that kid to financially support their siblings but not them? I think it would be. This could easily be weeded out in the conditions of the contract like all or none, or some kind of time requirement. Someone who wants to support all of their kids, but one wouldn't make sense, so I don't see it happening. For whatever reason, if it did happen, then t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:30 PM
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The child would become a ward of the state, or a relative of the parents would get custody. Effectively analogous to putting the kid up for adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:20 PM
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Mifepristone isn't a surgery. Also, she can keep the child. Also, she could not have gotten pregnant. No one is forcing anyone to do anything that's the whole point in arguing for paper abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:16 PM
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Assumeing that the parents live together, maybe not, it may need more specificity. But I don't see why this scenario couldn't happen, so he would just not support that kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:07 PM
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Why can’t both parents financially abort the kid? Sure, they can do this to
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:02 PM
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And I disagree with the laws that make this the case in those states. That's not some kind of gotcha, of course I would if I'm arguing for abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:55 PM
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Well, if both parents care about the child, they would both pay and have custody. Custody does mean something if you want a child. If one parent, then one, if none, then orphanage. The point being that they should both get to choose parenthood, not have it thrusted upon them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:46 PM
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A man using a condom with spermicide every single time would not have a need for paper abortions. I've heard before that most times, a prophylactic fails it's because it wasn't used properly. Point is under the circumstance that an unwanted pregnancy, no matter unwanted from who or how it happened, there should be an equal opportunity out. I'm not saying people shouldn't try to prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:41 PM
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So why aren’t you fighting for an oral male contraceptive? Sure, why not. There should be more research done on birth control products. Never argued against it. And since neither parent wants a financial burden, then who gets the burden? The mother has several months to decide to abort it if she doesn't want to pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:34 PM
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Not all women believe in abortion or are willing to have one since they can be severely traumatic for some people. Mifepristone isn't traumatic enough for an argument against paper abortion. If she doesn't believe in abortion that's her problem. Many women do not have access to such services. Not all people have a lot of things Many women in the US live in places where they would be jailed for accessing such services. Then I think that's wrong too. Not all women know they are pregnant with enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:32 PM
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The several months of time is plenty enough time. In the case that the father doesn't want a child, paper abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:07 PM
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Ideally, a pregnancy wouldn't happen unless planned. But of course, this isn't always the case. Thus, paper abortion if necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:03 PM
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There’s nothing stopping you or any man from using condoms with spermicide. I know You want to be able to have sex without any obligation on you to prevent a pregnancy. No, it should be either person's responsibility to use prevention. Just in the case that it does happen, there should be an equal way out for men. Like someone brought up earlier. What if someone were to lie about using birth control or what if the contraceptive fails. Just under the condition that pregnancy happens, there should…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:32 PM
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she believes it’s murder That's her problem. What if she wants you to take care of the kid and for it to not go to an orphanage? If the father wants the kid, sure. I just think that neither of them should be legally obligated to have this financial burden. And why aren’t you asking for hormonal birth control for men, just like women have? Why do you jump straight to financial abortion? Last I checked, no oral male birth control has been approved by the FDA. Because it's the next step in which th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:20 PM
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Those kids can be provided for by the dumbass who made a child they didn’t want. Exactly, the person who had several months to decide whether or not they wanted it should have full fiduciary responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:02 PM
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Damn, bro doesn't even want to engage with the argument. It's her fault for keeping it, if she didn't want to pay for it she should have gotten rid of it. I doubt you even get far enough to ever need a condom Even so, I still need them because they're fun to use as balloons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:58 PM
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Why the fuck should we pay more? For the welfare of children. Pay for your own damn mistakes You mean the mother's mistake for deciding to keep it. I have a feeling none of this is even relevant to you when you can’t even get poon The Armenian Genocide isn't relevant to me. It doesn't mean I can't have opinions on it. My dad didn't pay child support because he couldn't keep a job, and neither do I think he should have been obligated to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:54 PM
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Are you aware that your tax dollars, because of deadbeat dads, pay for school lunch? If you're in favor of this, what I'm proposing isn't that far off. What if you don't pay any additional tax, but the mother having decided to keep it, foots the bill? Wear a fucking condom dawg I sure hope I do
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:43 PM
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Should you also then not pay for education? Or housing homeless children? Or any other way in which the state subsidizes kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:32 PM
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Who’s gonna finance it then? Taxpayers? You didn’t want to pay for your own mistake, why the fuck should anyone else? Yes, through the welfare state. That's the way we do literally everything else. Do you think people without kids shouldn't pay for education via tax? Contraceptives are pretty dang effective, use them, that’s what they’re for I'm aware that they're effective. I do remember hearing that most of the times prophylactics fail are because people are using them wrong. Imagine this scen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:28 PM
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Unironically yes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:45 AM
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I don't understand what I'm missing. There's no need to be snarky about a misunderstanding. All I said was you should be able to opt out of child support on the condition that you lose custody. Both parties should have equal means of departure. What's wrong with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:31 AM
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You can only control your own body and actions Exactly, why shouldn't I be abel to opt out of financing a child I didn't want. She has more power because she can have it aborted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:58 AM
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But the internet is the real world now
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:30 AM
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I think that either party should be able to opt out of child support if they give up right to custody. Why should the woman have power over the man's finances? Just because I ejaculated doesn't explicitly mean I wanted a child. And the woman has far more power in this scenario. She could have not had sex, she could have used contraception, she had several months to decide whether she wanted to keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:20 AM
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Would you say that it's ok if it's long form content on biological behaviorism? As a lay person, I always feel arrogant when constructing an argument based on science that I feel I don't have a complete grasp on. But doubt doesn't invalidate the argument. Many of the same arguments about behavior present themselves in both the short form armchair psychology content and in the long.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:34 AM
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It's never happened before, but I imagine I'd be ashamed. Especially since if the opportunity was presented, I wouldn't be able to help myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:25 AM
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Ok, I may try this sooner rather than later
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 09:14 PM
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How do I go about finding out how to volunteer?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:15 PM
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See, I would do that, but I'm not religious. It would be unsanctimonious of me. Most people in their early 30s don't go to church. Median Church age is ~mid 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:22 PM
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It definitely is the case. Personally, I can't see myself talking to anyone in public impromptu.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:10 PM
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It's not that kids don't go out and drink. They go out to a small group of old friends and drink at home or alone, if at all. I think in the decades to come, many Amercans will be well antiquated with the Japanese concept of kodokushi. The horrid product of an alienated society. I live in a town with less than ~6,000 people and a median age of 43 (2023 census data). I only know of 3 bars here. How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 03:59 AM
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Social cohesiveness began dying in the 70s and was mostly dead by the 90s. Nearly everyone in a bar is at least a generation of older than me. Also, bar people or a selection bias for an unsavory bunch. There are a few annual events, but the same demographic problems present themselves there, too. There is nowhere nearby where I'm expected to be social, and the demographic criteria are met.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:14 PM
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I will wish upon the stars and try to do both
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:07 PM
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I do have one friend who has a cousin with a social circle, everyone in which is taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:03 PM
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I'm not saying that we don't have bars but that it's the wrong demographic. We do have a few annual events and churches. But part of the same demographic problem presents itself there as well. The people who go to these events are the elderly and parents with their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:58 PM
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Where I live, none of these are an option. And I imagine it's the same for a lot of small town America. We don't have singles events or concerts or clubs. The bars here predominantly consist of people at least a generation older than me. And bar people would be selecting for not the best people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:42 PM
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Where is the appropriate place to approach? Like 90% of American public spaces are gas stations and big box stores.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:30 PM
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You're welcome. Personally, I love the way Sapolsky explains things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 01:54 AM
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https://youtu.be/m5cat-kR0j8?si=9pTG8Uzg0dTC79ah
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 01:27 AM
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The reason why I didn't read the initial comment is because it was highlighted, obscuring it via push notification.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:39 AM
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I didn't read the initial one. I guess it's circumstantial, but in lieu of context, it sounds deplorable. I feel bad when someone wants me to spend their dollar or even use utilities in their home. Enjoying something, materially, that someone else worked for doesn't feel right. By hurt somebody, I mean lead them on to think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:22 AM
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That's just a horrible thing to do. I hope you haven't hurt anybody 😞
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:02 AM
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Very true. Though that person is more likely to be with you if they so happen to be in your variety. Especially if they're desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:42 AM
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I've been approached a few times, but it's never gone anywhere :(
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 09:04 AM
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Why would you want to have sex with someone who gets upset about using a condom? Because I love them, wouldn't want to upset 'em
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 09:01 AM
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Do you love nothing, nobody, nowhere? Have you no aura, no soul? Apathy? Sympathy? Is their any position besides I hate the median voter in there?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:14 AM
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Hard disagree. They are very desperate, I've seen the 1's get taken just because he had no one else. There are still standards, but nowheres as many as there should be relatively. I would also argue that reddit is very representative, especially of how people feel in their mind due to anonymity. The people on the internet are IRL because the world is the internet now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:12 AM
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Now imagine not even having the option to compromise. It's nobody or anyone willing. You don't pick your, the one being picked. Ideally, it would be mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:33 AM
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One side of a coin. There are wretched and wholesome people everywhere of all demographics. Complaining that there aren't enough to go around is like complaining that you don't have the best version of something. At least you have it or can reliably get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:53 AM
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But you have variety. Key word most. Imagine not having any variety and settling with who you get if anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 01:57 AM
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The difference is that men are desperate. If they manage to find someone at all, they'll put up with shit. Women are in the position to be criticized with who they end up with because they have variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 01:28 AM
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But what if non-compliance upsets her?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 10:08 PM
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Does not look like a troll (5/10) and below, also height (but that really depends on the women's personal preference much like men wanting super models with big tits and ass) Proud member of the Itty Bitty Titty Committee Is competent at work/bills/home life basic genreal life stuff Hard if the chances we're never given Knows how to fuck and love her (of course communicate) Hard if the chances were never given Emotionally mature and stabled mentally (cause yes some men still act like literal 5 y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 10:02 PM
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If you were a stud who could have a new woman everyday. Women would lose value to you. The emotional value is subjective to your life situation. I can very well see this being the case, but we won't know until it happens. Sex and children is not the only meaning you can choose for your life. Any purpose you choose is subjective. It could be argued that procreation is the only objective purpose of life. It's one of the few things that all life forms do. Organisms have lowered their life spans if …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:09 PM
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I would then argue that a woman gives greater purpose and a sense of meaning. Value is subjective That's such a non argument. Well, it's just my opinion. Use logic or empirics or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:56 AM
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Nae, they are much more valuable than a job
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 12:47 AM
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Just to clarify, by "more eager" I mean men are more easily attracted and more into the idea of casual sexual encounters based on very little (appearance). I don't believe it has to be appearanced based nor casual. Simply more intensity and frequency. And I know it's kind of a vague question, but for example, shouldn't we expect this to be reflected in media to some degree? It definitely is. I'd even say it's the vast majority of relational tropes in our media. How could sexualization be exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 02:01 AM
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Alpha males and beta males don't exist Neather do numbers or languages nor races, and genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:06 AM
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I think being an awkward guy is endearing in more instances than being a fat woman. Very unfortunate problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 01:37 AM
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I simply can’t blame women for not wanting to date a guy with autism or other social disorders. Mostly cause I feel the same way not trying to add that to my kids gene pool based on my family/me we already got enough problems. I just don't want to add inferior black genetics to my gene pool. It would be a disgrace.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 01:30 AM
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What Should Average Men Be Looking for? If this is the type of woman high-quality men are marrying, then it raises an interesting question: What should average men be looking for in a partner? Because if men making $500K aren’t requiring a 22-year-old overly feminine woman who never had a past, then why would average men require it? They aren't, and the media has likely portrayed this as the case. Though to someone who isn't in those tax brackets, the vast majority of Americans won't make anywhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 04:25 AM
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Too be fair vibes are very important. All reasoning before empiricism was spearheaded was just vibes. If you're an ethical proscriptivist, your morals are just vibes. Also, any time you provide a study, people here just ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 04:02 AM
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Goofy but true
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 02:00 PM
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Would you then argue that everything outside of fundamental amenities is wants and not needs. You would live a life worth dying. Rather, I would argue that either no thing is necessary or that sex is necessary for it fulfills the need for self-preservation of the species. In other words life without pussy may for some be worse than death.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 09:51 AM
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Unless its a hookup Fuck hookups “But assholes get relationships.” Like I have said before, the women are terrible, traumatized, mentally ill, or superficial. Being likable does not mean being sexually attractive It seems like these two positions feed negatively into each other. Being likable and sexually attractive is mutually inclusive. I.e. I can't be wüüd by a charismatic sentient broom, nor would I have sex with the best-looking person in a coma. If likable ≠ sexually attractive, then assho…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:11 AM
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https://youtu.be/3cfCI07zVRg?si=1fp4Dcwh9Lqw9v6B
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:04 AM
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I remember my dad talking to girls 15 years younger. He said he didn't want a young girl, but it still disgusts me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:26 AM
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So justifying shitty behavior? No, I didn't say that. In other words, I'm saying that unattractive people get treated poorly regardless of gender. As long as you understand that women see it as a red flag to see men actively hostile to women they dont find attractive. I also would find it unattractive for a woman to be hostile toward a guy for being short, though desperosity may trump this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:29 AM
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TLDR: Way too many men struggle with the concept that your attraction should not heavily dictate how you treat someone. This is a problem, but it's ubiquitous i.e. taller people get paid more then shorter people. Remember, this subreddit tells women to “choose better” but many dont see how that behavior is such a red flag. I don't see what's wrong with choose better. There's many desperate guys out there willing to concede. In terms of choice women have an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 02:14 AM
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It's an obvious legal example of double standard between men and women. Though a draft will likely never happen again, it serves an example. A better example would be sentencing disparity. In 2005 Max Schanzenbach found that "increasing the proportion of female judges in a district decreases the sex disparity" in sentencing which he interprets as "evidence of a paternalistic bias among male judges that favors female offenders".[5] In 2006 Ann Martin Stacey and Cassia Spohn found that women recei…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:32 AM
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That many, not just one, standards exist in this domain. I used ontology, the philosophy of existence, to emphasize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:06 AM
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Ooo, I see your gripe. I'm not the person to defend those guys. Usually, they invoke sympathy by mischaracterizing the true circumstance of what went wrong in their relations. Correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:48 AM
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In what way? That's for the individual to decide. If a woman still isn't happy with what's to be expected on those standards, she can likely find someone else. There's anuf sexually insecure and desperate men willing to concede out their. If something's still wrong, maybe she's the problem. I had a friend he had falling outs with every friend he had, including me. At what point is he the problem and not everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:03 AM
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Men here: Well you are the problem for dating those losers! Women: Ups her standards Nice guys: Nice Guys Finish Last! Also men here: They really do! Why dont these bitches give you a chance?! Nice guys: They just want bad boys! Just pick better. Lower your standards in one way and raise them in another. There's not just one standard there's ontologically many.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:48 AM
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Everyone thinks college freshman is ok, but what about high-school senior? It's just like the pornsites always advertising 18 years of age. If law is the only thing stopping them, would they not just go lower?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:09 AM
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Also, invalidating statical arguments would mean denying crime and rape statistics. Don't forget anti-empiricism and sexual insecurity are the bedrock of the fascist movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 01:25 AM
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What if it's peer reviewed triple blinded study from the National Library of Medicine? From what I know about methodology, lay people severely over estimate the samples needed to find a valid conclusion. For a survey, it can go as low as a few hundred people. Even lower if it's something to do with biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 01:17 AM
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Where? Who? How?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:58 AM
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Well obviously no one's forcing anyone into prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 08:58 PM
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And you're part of the electorate
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 07:46 PM
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But what if the condition of getting better is move out of your parents' house? Is it reasonable for someone to help themselves up from the ground by their own shoelaces? If getting better is dependent upon someone else's behavior, how can I get better? Whores, shitty partners, porn, AI and sexbots for those who don’t Realistically, it's going to be: drug abuse, suicide, animal abuse, rape, and chemical castration. Aka precisely what’s happening now, and no one’s forcing anyone to do anything No…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 07:09 PM
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Do you think this problem is solvable?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 02:04 AM
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Luckily dating isn’t mandatory. Nothing is really mandatory. There is no do or die game of dating “musical chairs” going on. 🤷‍♀️. They're kind of is if you consider the lonely years of time that breed suicidal ideation and drug abuse. Why would anyone choose to date someone that isn’t better than not dating anyone? Agreed I really don’t understand why that is so hard for some people to understand or so “unfair”. It's unfair because they didn't choose to be undesirable. From the victim of this d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:44 AM
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Ita not about men and women not being treated the same, it's about men and women making different choices of their own free will Men and women are treated differently. I'm sure we can agree on that. Even our 'free will' is tainted due to public opprobrium i.e. I would not only feel wrong wearing a dress in public as a man but other people would avoid me, possibly even assault me. Ideally, there would be no difference in social standards between these things. because men and women are different, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:46 PM
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Fundamentally, they are not. You are again talking about discrimination, which I agree is a problem, but we can't erase discrimination by ignoring reality and pretending like there are no differences between men and women just because its easier to think that way. Discrimination doesn't just describe racial issues. It can be along any demographic lines. Reality doesn't care what is easier to think of or more convenient for us, the more we misunderstand reality the more likely we are to make mist…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:30 PM
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Black and white people are different, so it's a paradox that they should be treated the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:57 PM
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What if women want women only cars to avoid men? What if whites want white only cars to avoid blacks? Its about what they want, not just "they are different so should be treated worse". I'm arguing that they are fundamentally the same and should be treated as equals. You're kind of conflating "men and women are not the same" with discrimination, those are two separate issues. Fundamentally, they are the same issue. There're different, but there's no good reason for why they should get treated di…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:55 PM
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It's not a proper soûltion to those issues. I could just stalk or assault someone outside of public tranzit. If blacks are getting hate crimed, the soûltion isn't to sit them at the back of the bus.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:47 PM
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But in this case we're not talking about how to treat others, we are talking about how men and women, of their own free will, behave in a certain way. I would argue that people's will is inherently how others are treated And we can see some clear evidence that they behave differently in ways that clearly match the sex difference, hence different sexes means they are not identical and will likely not behave identically. No two people are identical. It doesn't mean there should be women only train…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:38 PM
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I don't like this explanation. Because white and black people are different just doesn't sound right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:13 PM
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Would you still encourage freedom of choice even if it means adhering to these more natural/primitive/outdated/traditional (whatever you want to call them) architypes? I like manly masculine men, and I like feeling like a girly girl. Yes, if that's how you want to be as long as you haven't signed a sharecropping agreement, it's fine. Ideally, the architypes and the need to fit into them wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:57 AM
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I really can't see that happening, and if it did it'd be a disaster for mankind. I don't think it would be disastrous. We would hypothetically be closer to a free society. One in which social norms, based on our gentles, won't determine the clothing we wear nor whether or not we sit at the back of the bus. I'm not trying to be rude here but do your beliefs stem from being a smaller man? Somewhat yes, part of. do you believe the quality of life will improve if there was a less stern definition of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:29 AM
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You can't rewire nature You can't, but what is natural isn't one rigid thing. It is a spectrum of different outcomes, some of which are more ethically preferred to others. It's natural for humans to rape, cannibalize, and murder each other it doesn't mean is correct or good. society compliments our differences and is an extension of our nature And so is a hypothetically postgenderist society, an extension of one of many natures. There will always be differences between individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:39 AM
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It's not fine. The more different the more otherized, the further the gendered problems in society e.g. sexual segregation in public tranzit
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:21 AM
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I'm not making an argument, I just wanted to ask someone their explanation to why womens and mens interests are polarized.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:13 AM
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Do you think mens and womens interests(hobbies) are polarized? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:02 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/live/G2wHszBxtxo?t=10926&si=S88FujPwEyyl0jB0
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:23 AM
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Exactly, now you get it. Just make sure you stay away from those pesky manipulators now you hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:11 AM
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Making it about “choice” is also unreasonable. If you're asserting that people don't have free will, then I would agree, but then there's no one to blame. you can never be confident in your choice, because the next day something can happen But you can have 'confidence' in your choice for even up to months at a time. And then when something happens you can decide what to do. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. And how many men would complain if they were not trusted because…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:40 AM
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It shifts all accountability from the abusers and places the accountability for the abuse squarely on the survivors. Survivors aren't responsible for the actions of abusers, and pre-abusers are hearing this message and telling themselves that their victims have chosen this so they deserve what they get. To be fair, they did have a choice in the context of who they chose and whether or not to stay with them. Also, eliminating all agency on the part of the victim has problems in and of itself. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:59 AM
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That it is. I wouldn't want to squander such a privilege. Though it feels in this same sentiment, I hinder my ability to have such an opportunity in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:43 AM
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Because risky is risky. I wouldn't want to lose someone dear to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:15 AM
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Easily safe choice
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 12:32 AM
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I agree it was a bad thing, but saying in this context feels like women only want to date to rid economic insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:36 AM
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I do agree that phraseology can tell you about somebody, e.g. 'the Ukraine' a Russian State media term, but in this case, the words seem interchangeable. The patriarchy describes social norms and law that enforce misogyny. The matriarchy describes social norms that enforce misandry. The two are not mutually inclusive. Misandry can exist within a patriarchy and vice versa, especially within movements that seek to push back against these problems, i.e., TERFs. I do agree some jobs are better than …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 06:21 PM
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Interesting you think the opposite of a patriarchal society is a “misandrist” society, when in fact the word you are looking for is matriarchy. Phraseology is irrelevant if you understood what I meant. The reason it is easier for men to abuse power in hetero relationships is that the patriarchy has an expectation women will do all the work around the house and meet the needs of her husband and child, while putting herself last I don't necessarily believe this is the case in the present day. In m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:28 PM
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Most of the time probably yes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 12:53 AM
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I don't like this explanation. It feels true, but how do we know? Like imagine if I said: 1) men care more about if the relationship is healthy. Misandrist values mean it’s easier for woman to stay in relationships where there’s an imbalance of power because they are usually the ones willing to manipulate. Therefore, a marriage might feel great for them but feels like a prison for the man. A woman can just leave and find someone else, whereas a man would struggle to. 2) lesbians are impatient an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:32 PM
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I was being facetious because she said most women's lives would be easier if they were single. She said they're less likely to tolerate unhappiness; people with anhedonia don't think straight and can tend to blame other people for the way they feel. The source of the problem isn't necessarily spousal, yet their implicated nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:47 PM
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perfectly comfortable with that? Unlikely. Yes, I'd be ok with her watching gore videos. As long as she doesn't seek to do overly wretched things with me or anything with anyone else. You claim you’d marry the porn girl, but would you really? It really comes down too whether she continues working in the industry and personality. You can't change the past, you just have to accept what happened. The equality issue is a non event. Women do not buy male prostitutes in anywhere near the same volume, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 08:45 AM
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Could you think of a methodological way of finding out? Do you think it could be biological?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:16 AM
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When you put it like that, I think I have to concede. Although, why do you think lesbians devorce more then other couples? Would you say that's just the way it falls?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:11 AM
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Would you at least say women file papers more often because of discontent and the other parties' apathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:48 AM
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When a coupel decides someone does. But what about when the coupel doesn't decide? Someone still needs to file papers. This reminds me of a teacher I had back in high school. Her husband left her, and she tried to get him to sign papers, but he dodged. They had been married but separate for around a decade by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:35 AM
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The fact that they want to fill out the paperwork shows they are unsatisfied via willingness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:12 AM
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Women being more proactive in relationship issues vs men being more passive I wouldn't call women initiating devorce a proactive activity IN a relationship. There’s nothing pointing to whether or a not a woman’s initiated divorce is “justified” enough, so you saying women are “erratic and uncommitted” is just your own bias. I'm not saying this is what I believe, I'm poseing it as a possible explanation. Though anecdotally form my perspective, this is the case. You also added in that men would ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:10 AM
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Is it then not also indicative that the man is being too passive or avoidant in the marriage to file the paperwork Possible, but not to the magnitude to change the statistics. My main point being women are transient in their relations, very erratic and uncommitted. Also stated as: they're unhappy with their interpersonals and capable of doing something about it. If a man was unhappy with this scenario, he'd have a hard time finding a new.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:42 AM
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Indicative that they wanted to leave bad enough to fill out the paperwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:23 AM
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Ask the partnered men and women you know if their lives would be easier if they were single. Most men would say no, most women would say yes. Are you saying that women are more averse and erratic when close with somebody? They become acquainted and then lash out at others when inevitably sad or migraine ridden.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:13 AM
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No, no, not right, move it a little bit more to the left. A few inches down.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:02 AM
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Women are better at paperwork. Says what reliable meta-analysis? Women in 2024 are less likely to stay in an unhappy relationship. Says which empirical authority? Women are more willing to fail and try again. This one just seems kind of misandrist. Men, on the other hand, seem to postpone, stall, or procrastinate paperwork because they don't want to be seen as failures or think everyone is unhappy, so why get divorced. This one I could kinda agree with except for the, we think everyone is happy.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:58 AM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:48 AM
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i just dont think "initiating divorce" means anything. Hard disagree, the willingness to fill out paperwork is indicative of something
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:38 AM
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We will never have equality while men buy women. It implies women are objects, commodities, inhuman. I don't like it either, but what about male prostitutes. Which makes the equality argument null. Access to pornography increases misogyny and harmful social attitudes towards women. It normalises sexual and physical violence. I've met women that like to be, "thrown around in bed," something I wouldn't want to do but some women want. It seems overly prudish to stigmatize this. I’m yet to encounter…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:06 AM
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This is gonna be fun
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:20 AM
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I think you've nearly converted me, though I am inebriated currently. I don't like the idea of framing men as the problem in this greater sociological problem. Also, I take issue with lack of statistics in your post. I don't believe most men are: entitled to behave violently towards women Like I said, I don't like sex work but recognize its pros and cons. It's my understanding that lack of pornographic material increases the likelihood of rape. Are you saying that you believe a sub-class of wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 11:55 PM
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I don't understand what I'm uneducated about. The United States has a lower rape rate than the Netherlands. Other studies have shown that societies that have prohibited pornography and prostitution, e.g. the Middle East, have a propensity for violence towards women. I'm not necessarily defending sex work, but prohibition of it seems iliberal and wrong in a rights prospective. Personally, I'm disgusted by sex work. The idea that it can be bought and sold or had by anyone just feels wrong. But the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:36 PM
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The Netherlands is a social democracy and Amsterdam is the sex work capital of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:23 AM
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It sounds silly but some wemon want to be rented. Not out of economic necessity but as a career choice. Though it does sound very wrong. Would you argue that sex work should be illegal in the same way as an exploitative work contract e.g. sharecropping should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 01:01 AM
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You are correct in that I don't have experience. But I bet, for me at least, me or my hypothetical partner haveing sex with many others would devalue the idea of it I.e. another drop in the bucket.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:50 AM
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I'm not necessarily against sex work, but given the state of the economy, it seems deplorable. Fuck strangers for money or starve isn't a good slogan. Also, it just feels wrong. If I ever got an escort, I would just feel sad about it afterward. Sex in and of itself need feel special. It shouldn't reduce to something that you could buy or casually do with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:42 AM
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Alt account be lookin like
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:18 AM
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No, but it shouldn't be completely out of question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:28 AM
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Damn, if only I had more than no options
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 12:28 AM
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Woe now, that implies that men desire pedophilia. I find Pedocon Theory really only applies to poltishens and highly partisan people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:42 AM
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Have you ever heard of pedocon theory, it assert just that. On average, the age of consent is lower in red states, and there are more child marriages. It's fucking sick. I live in rural Louisiana, and in the middle of the night, there's virtually nobody anywhere. Although I may not feel comfortable in some parts of New Orleans at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:31 AM
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The same argument cuts both ways. You haven't proven that women are less miserable or treated more kindly by society; you have just established that they have been socialized to reach out and get help, OR socialized to not seek out a violent solution to problems. How kindly people are treated is not something that can be, easily, empirically proven. I'm mostly going on a vibes argument. Female friend groups seem much more caring. Also, wemon have a much easier time seeking intimacy, a large fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 12:41 AM
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I'm hearing they're sad and unwilling to take action. Women can own firearms, too. Also, there would be fewer men to report depression because they are dead. Men are less likely to report depression because we're socialized not too. And if we decide to talk about it, we're ignored or shunned. If I talk about it here, I would break the woe-is-me rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 12:00 AM
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Why so condescending? What if I'm autistic and can't read social cues through text on a screen?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:47 PM
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I'll keep this in mind for if time and money. I never thought of dancing before. It just seems like there's no way to talk to strangers in that setting without our intentions being awkwardly obvious. Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:27 PM
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That seems much more reasonable and flushed out. But yet still somewhat contextual. Would you say it works kinda like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:53 PM
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Right. And we know that lmao. Then giving unhelpful advice wouldn't be a problem. Advice form a woman for a woman, about a dating scenario won't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:00 PM
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Ok monkey
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:58 AM
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Your sentiment seems very inhuman. In theory, it should be gross to us, but it's not because our body prioritizes procreation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:55 AM
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How is sex vile? It's not just their body. Do you not feel any sense of compassion and limerence towards another person? Without sex nether you nor me would exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:48 AM
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Why do you see us as so evil? If you apply this logic to racial demographics, you'd be a racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:42 AM
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Some barbecue would be nice right now
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:05 AM
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It won't settle. It's already been settled for our generation. Maybe we can paint walls instead of worrying about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:54 AM
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The point is that y'all have it easier, and so advice from someone playing a different game won't work. Most of what y'all need do is exist. For us, it's highly contextual, hard to come by, and there's the fear factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:50 AM
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I think it was framed against wemon for the 'debate' and to assert that they have an easier time. introspective friends Rarity wingwoman Extreme rarity 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:31 AM
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I would tell you that you need to think of women as fully human and not just pretty objects that you can fuck. Why must you steelman our position as if we don't think you're human? Very few guys are out there with that cynical of a view.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:16 AM
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Males make up 50% of the population but nearly 80% of suicides.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:09 AM
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If you want real advice you have to ask your actual friends who are women. Nonexistent To take charge and ask out women he likes and don’t be afraid that they think he’s weird. That’s fucking terrible advice to give on this sub. Because bad actors will take it and be like “a woman on a subreddit told me women love when men are forward.” So do this only if you're him. If you're not him, don't do this because you'll only scare them. I can't win in my head in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:59 AM
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But it definitely is, you just wouldn't understand. And it's not just lust, it's much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:51 AM
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Putting yourself in a position to meet women Actually talking to women Going from talking to bantering/flirting Escalation/tension/keeping interest Closing Where and how, with who? Talk about what? 3-4. How to do without being creepy or comeing off as desperate and rapey
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:47 AM
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Things struggling men should lean on female friends for Presumeing they have female friends
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:44 AM
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I literally said in that comment that I understand that they're scared, and I don't want to upset them. Though I think there're fear is mostly irrational and at times misandrist. Do you not think given your unique circumstance, i.e. haveing many sex offenders for neighbors, would taint your perception of men. But "rape isn't that bad" right? Men on reddit love to spew this line. Of course rape is bad. No one is defending rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:29 AM
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I understand that not all rapes reach official status, but it does make me question their validity. False accusations do happen. And even if 1/3 of wemon claim to be rape victims doesn't make a third of men rapists. And even if you were sexually harassed it doesn't mean that you should a irrationally fear men. For example, if I were mugged by a black guy, it doesn't mean I should alienate a whole demographic of people. And now I'm afraid that I might scare someone by existing because of their pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:59 AM
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It's definitely unusual to live in a place infested with sex offenders, and 80% of them being your neighbors. You're definitely speaking from an abnormal perspective. I can only think of 3 sex offenders in my small town.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:10 AM
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Damn, where do you live that this is the case. Do you have friends who have had the same problems? Because this is a very unusual upbringing. Your circumstance being so extreme that your intuition is null.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:45 AM
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I feel you've seen a few unlucky examples
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:33 AM
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Studies have shown that black people disproportionately commit violent crime
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:27 AM
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What happened in the past 20 years before your dating demographic went over the hill?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:25 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/euxcmjvkl31e1.png?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8479ee8e9a9a060e47e8ef3d179cfe7071dfd576
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:11 PM
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Now that we can agree that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime. In the same way that men disproportionately commit rape. Do you see that off handedly saying that men will rape you is misandry? It's the same thing a racist would say, but you're ok saying it about men. It's a bad analogy. It's a bad analogy in that you didn't bite the bullet on the statistics and then pivoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:37 PM
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They commit a disproportionate amount of crime. In spite of being a minority they criminally represented enough that it would be a toss-up. My argument isn't about that it's more of an analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:20 PM
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Or disinterested macking the two the majority. My point being: it feels like a minority of women who are looking for intimacy but aren't looking for casual sex. In a world were most men are not encouraged to be virgins, women shouldn't be either. Agreed Can you address the race argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:07 PM
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Once again by sheer population numbers, if you are going to victimized chances are it's going to be a white person doing it. Wikipedia Did you not read the argument? You also seem more upset by women's sexual adventurousness than men. Do you not remember the first comment were I condemned whore behavior on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:55 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:45 PM
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If you're white, another white person is more dangerous to you than some random black person. Statistically no. Blacks commit much more violent crime than whites. If you cast the dice and are unlucky, it will likely be a black committing the violent crime. Neo-nazis say blacks 13% of the population can come in half the crime. They're not wrong about the statistics. They're wrong about what they're implying. Feminazis say men mack up half the population and commit 80% of violent crime. They're no…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:41 PM
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Rape is so prevalent. Women have to overstate the point to get the problem acknowledged. Black crime is so prevalent. Whites have to overstate the point to get the problem acknowledged. I'm not religious myself, but I still believe promiscuity is bad. Though I know there is no ethically sound way of stopping it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:13 PM
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When the "wo" doesn't work, the hard rapes attempt happen I feel you're overly stating this point. Almost to a misandrist level. Like imagine if I said refering to black people: and when the beginning doesn't work, they rob you at gun point. Outside of religious belief, do you believe promiscuity is bad, has bad outcome a majority of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:47 PM
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I believe I agree mostly. Except for: she doesn't get any male attention other than rape attempts Hard disagree, I've always seen men attempt to wö wömen. Yall get lots of positive and negative attention. Never the other way around. Some guys get so little attention they'll remember a compliment a woman gave them half a decade ago with complete veracity. they lived happy lives and had sex with a lot of women Do you acknowledge that promiscuity is bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:27 PM
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Everyone wants that, but it is realistic. I.e. they will settle for less. It's like saying wemen typically want someone isn't short. I can't willpower my way out of being short.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:54 AM
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So don't even try until I make at least 6 figures? Is intimacy like everything else in the economy, only free for the rich? I thought love was like the one thing that poorpeeps were allowed to have. Entitled, too, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:51 AM
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Men should not be trying to attract women until they have a stable career in place If the wemon don't have to have a stable career, then neither do I. Once you have improved as a man to where you have built a solid career, then you can concentrate on attracting women What if this never happens. What if the women of my dreams are available now but not later.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:28 AM
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In my own personal experience, I've met more men who were desperate, but not whore-esk, than I have wemon. In spite of risk, there is still a significant portion of them. The problem is the men who only pay attention to women that offer casual sex, while completely ignoring or often attacking women who aren't promiscuous To be fair, it seems hard to find a woman whose interested. The majority are either too promiscuous or completely disinterested. Why is it when a women isn't disinterested she f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:12 AM
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because so many men only want casual sex And so many women only want casual sex. Don't try to one sides this. The whore behavior goes both ways. It's bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:21 AM
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Somewhat
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 01:03 AM
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I know, but posing it as an either or option in debate format allows you to thwart: what if both, what if nether, what if something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:46 AM
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False dichotomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:42 AM
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No, online dating it too impersonal. We need better 3rd places and culture surrounding dating. Social cohesion has progressively gotten worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 12:55 AM
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Definitely not, must be. But in many cases, yes. Not the majority. When it does happen and it's kind of disheartening.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:26 AM
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Even the charities the influencer didn't boast about donating to, he donated to too fulfill his own idea of what is just. An action can not be selfless while containing the self.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 03:58 PM
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See, it can even be argued that your decision to give money to the homeless was just to make yourself feel better. Are to affect how others see someone who does such a thing. No action is disconnected from self-interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 03:20 PM
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My point was that you can always connect it to self-interest. Someone could give to charity and still be self-interested in that they are just complying with their ideal moral philosophy. Selfish was probably the wrong word.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 03:01 PM
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It's strange that it can always be framed this way. The person who wants effort is selfish, and the person giving effort is selfish for expecting reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:35 PM
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I think we might just have to agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:15 PM
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If you work there is a contract. Whether it's the social contract or you're a contract worker or a verbal contract, there will be a contract. The only time where this isn't the case is in a man versus self scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:13 PM
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Call me autistic but I always fall for it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:06 PM
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See, I wouldn't use entitlement in that scenario, I would use the phrase contractual obligation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:00 PM
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believing oneself to be inherently DESERVING of privileges or special treatment I don't like definitions, I'm trying to appeal to a common use
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:49 PM
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deserving ≠ obligation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:42 PM
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Never said "don’t help people navigate social situations."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:41 PM
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Still not obligatory
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:38 PM
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Saying I'm entitled does not mean I think you should be a broodmere for the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:37 PM
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Okay, diogenes go live with the stray dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:32 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:30 PM
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Then why respond under the false pretense that I believe the state should mandate procreation. If you don't care about others' beliefs, you wouldn't be in a debate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:29 PM
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The idea that sex is necessary for fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:24 PM
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No one said it wasn't, nor was it implied
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:22 PM
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Can you see how, for many, it's viewed as necessary. To be fair, it is an essential part of self-preservation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:12 PM
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I assumed he meant one woman there. Are you blind? Ad hominem?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:09 PM
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No one said anything about forcing people. Entitled does not equal obligatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:05 PM
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Better question: Do you believe sex to be nonessential?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:02 PM
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Still not obligatory
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:58 PM
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The same economic incentives that would enable people to get together in the first place for lack of money. And it's still everyone's problem because one of these people might flip a script and kill a bunch of people. I can think of many tenuous connections that makes it everyone's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:50 PM
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Demonstrate that in his argument
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:49 PM
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I would go further to say that they can't afford those kids. But wouldn't it be another problem that they can't even get together?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:46 PM
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Where did he speak on the inconsistencies between women? There would be no sense in arguing that. But I could definitely see inconsistencies in the particular viewpoints argument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:44 PM
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Google definition: believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment. Inherently deserving isn't obligatory. Also, the idea that sex is a privilege and not a non-essential necessity is already a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:40 PM
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I'm not speaking to the effect of that particular hypothetical but rather the health and productivity of your neighbor is the health of the system as a whole. If you wanted to be more specific, the birth rate is below the replacement rate. That's a problem for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:39 PM
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Google definition: believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment. Inherently deserving isn't obligatory. Also, the idea that sex is a privilege and not a non-essential necessity is already a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:32 PM
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No one said that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:28 PM
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What's wrong with desiring intimacy? Am I not entitled to one of the good fundamental parts of the human experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:19 AM
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Oaa, yes, I'm cooperating by saying that there's no deal that can be made.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:17 AM
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It's definitely not 100% our problem. It's everyone's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:15 AM
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Call me cynical, but all people are self-interested. You can always tie something back to self-interest even when it seems selfless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:12 AM
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Women aren't a monolith, yes. But they are a demographic with trends and averages. The idea that we're talking on aggregate should just be assumed by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:01 AM
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Well, I could only imagine 10 if those were the conditions. Maybe if I wished upon the moon, then it may be one day soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 10:22 AM
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That's interesting. Can you link those studies. If the methodology relies on polygraph tests, then it's null. Having high blood pressure or heart rate isn't a true indicator of dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 11:31 AM
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I love them to death. They mack me feel scared. Not saying I don't want wömen to approach more, I wish they would approach most of the time, but I see how it can be viewed as acting promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:17 PM
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The only place I see people say that wömen care about experience is here and on the incel forums. In person, never.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:36 PM
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Are you sexually frustrated?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 01:26 PM
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Are you sexually frustrated?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 01:25 PM
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Agreed, except for: Women bring the identity politics and all that extra shit into the fold. I see people at work being people, not political. Most don't want to argue with their coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 12:24 PM
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I'm making the prescriptive claim that they should get paid for having a kid. If we didn't have kids, society would stop. I know the company's interests are indifferent, but the people who work there aren't. That's how you get a bunch of racist union workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 12:10 PM
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Corporations only care about profit and productivity. Not gender issues. I agree that corporations only care about profits, but the people that work their that higher others or self interested. They won't hire someone if they don't like them. Why expect promotions and raises if you're more likely to leave one day and stay at home with a kid? They should get paid maternity and fraternity leave. Why not promote them if they work. After the baby, they go back to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:57 AM
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Maybe I've never been tested. Although I hate the recent rise in armchair psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:45 AM
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I'll say whatever I want to say. I never said you couldn't, just that's it's bad parasiology.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:43 AM
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Have you considered that wemon will less frequently get promoted are be given jobs. Can you provide empirical evidence supporting that it's not discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:42 AM
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I do care in the since that you're a person. It's not that I don't like you, I don't like your beliefs and the circumstances that cause them. You should care about other people, it could make you happier. If you don't care, then why so insistent on debateing gender relations?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:39 AM
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Ad hominem
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:35 AM
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Then you shouldn't phrase it like that. When you say moralistic, you're speaking of morals. Then you proceeded to say bullshit refering to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:34 AM
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It's based company hours and things like maternity leave. It's a literal fact that men stay on the clock and do more overtime at pretty much any type of mixed job enviornment. Did you not read the Pew Research paper? Studies control for variables such as hours worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:31 AM
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Stop what? Debating an alt on a debate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:09 AM
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If women weren't liars, why have they lied about the "pay-gap" for literal decades? They haven't been lying. It's a real thing. pay gap We also have systemic problems such as Sentencing Disparity. Why do they lie about hating gender roles? Benevolent sexism? I hate gender roles too. One day I hope we can achievegender abolitionism. Although the benevolent sexism may be heavily overstated. Why if they lie about being obese on dating sites? Fuck dating apps. I just don't like the idea. Too imperso…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:01 AM
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That doesn't qualify as being dishonest. The fact that there is 'the makeup industry' and we know about it. Wearing makeup isn't lying about your past.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:50 AM
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Well, I figure we should care about each other. Usually, when people have an alt, it's because they were banned here. I just got unbanned myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:49 AM
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Unrelated question, is this an alt for this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:34 AM
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I don't like dishonesty, but I wasn't the one accusing a large demographic of being habitual liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:32 AM
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moralistic-virtue signaling bullshit Oaa yes, morals are bullshit and only keep us from "getting what we want."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:29 AM
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women only want men who are experienced I don't see how this is true. Other variables certainly matter more. Experience isn't the deciding factor. is not "perpetuating" anything It is. The guy I responded to rhetorically asked, why don't we lie. Our justification for dishonesty shouldn't be that they're dishonest i.e. stooping to their level. Us lying gives them the same pretext to lie back, hints perpetually worsening relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:05 AM
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I personally don't have any anecdotes about how wemen, particularly, lie and hypocratically want men to be honest, so I couldn't empathize. Women by and large don't intend to be honest with men about their past. I just don't see that the majority of wömen are dishonest about their past and have secretly participated in the whorescapades. I don't see why men should be? If they are dishonest, why renforce a negative standard for yourself. If wöman are dishonest, doing the same only gives them the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 08:51 AM
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turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy where they're awkward because they socially isolate themselves, and they socially isolate themselves because they're awkward I do agree it's a negative feedback loop, but disagree with the implication that they did it to themselves or that they can fake it to making it. I feel in most cases, it was circumstances. It only tacks a few condensing interactions in schools to start the cycle. 'Rona and the tablets are the great equalizers. Socially regarded is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 07:36 AM
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Why lie, wouldn't honestly be more of value?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 07:13 AM
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What do you mean by live more? It's a vague statement. I would argue that if your love for them doesn't consist of at least some obsession, it isn't love.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:26 AM
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What do you mean by live more? Telling someone to live more doesn't help them solve their problem. Given obsession in the context of this sub, shouldn't being obsessed be a good thing. Wouldn't you believe people who love each other be obsessed with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:36 AM
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Well, me learning things already happens. I do watch a lot of STEM-tube. Are you suggesting that I simply don't desire? What is it meant to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:14 AM
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I wouldn't say my life 'revolves around girls'. But it is a facet of my desires. An achievable one at that. What's wrong with desiring intimacy? You are the biggest complainer on the planet I believe everyone, regardless of where or who you are, has the right to complain. If people didn't complain we wouldn't have nice things in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:44 AM
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Yes, I love learning new things. I've learned many new things. But learning stuff won't satisfy my desire for intimacy. If anything, it only makes me sound more arrogant and narcissistic. Therefore, counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:33 AM
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Welp, that wasn't my claim. Shucks you spent all that time on your rhetorical tactics arguing the wrong claim. Oh, well. Well then what is your claim? Go live life and stop obsessing. My argument is that you can't simply just stop and 'go live life'. So that an excuse isn't inherently invalid. learn something in a class for the simple enjoyment of knowledge Tacking a class a travel cost money a logistical problem for many. You're offering nothing solution. I'm going to enjoy my Hallmark movie. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:20 AM
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What if's are the same as an analogy, which is a rhetorical tactic. My argument was attacking your claim that everything is okay and your fault. And that you could just simply stop and go be happy. Pragmatically, there are many problems with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:03 AM
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Imagine not engaging with the arguments. Why only say the words have nothing to do with the conversation instead of demonstrating what I'm missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:57 AM
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If you end up in jail, you've put yourself into that circumstance. You didn't address wrongful imprisonment, e.g., serving for a murder you didn't commit. If I go to prison for selling LSD, I put myself in those circumstances. But it doesn't make me suffering those circumstances, just, for what I did. That would be like saying a woman put herself into a rape scenario for wearing skimpy clothes. And therefore deserved it, but she didn't. And yes, most people can go live life and stop obsessing. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:52 AM
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What? Those are two possible solutions. The former may not work as well the ladder will work definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:41 AM
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It's an easy, analogous example. Many people suffer for circumstances they didn't put themselves in. Many people can't just "go live life and stop obsessing." It's like saying everything's okay when it's objectively not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:40 AM
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What if they're wrongfully imprisoned? Many imprisoned are nonviolent drug offenders. They suffer for doing no-thing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:34 AM
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Would you tell someone in prison that there're just macking excuses for why they're not happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:31 AM
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But no money. In small town America, everyone inside, no strangers to anything with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:27 AM
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Chemical castration or just put buckshot through you. We are not allowed to have fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:21 AM
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A lot of people seem shallow and disinterested in things. It's hard to talk to people who aren't passionate about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:06 AM
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No, but there are trends. It should be assumed that we're speaking on aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:03 AM
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A woman proactively tells me something as a joke? This must be an alternate reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:34 PM
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All the comments prefixed with I'm not a loser
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:23 PM
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Imagine having experienced other one
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:47 AM
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For me, at least, it doesn't. Once I'm on one person, engagement with other women feels wrong. In fact, it even makes me sadder knowing that the person I want doesn't want me anymore, and I can't get over them, yet there's someone else almost as obsessive as me towards me. It's a tragedy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:37 AM
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You forgive what people CANNOT help you don’t forgive choosing to be a selfish person if they won’t change. Just curious, would you consider a needy person selfish?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:49 PM
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Indeed. If only people cared. :-(
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:26 PM
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When I say this, I don't mean me literally one individual controlling others. Rather, this is advocacy for in a vague cultural sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:22 PM
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I know I'd be better off if I could do that, but I can't. If people generally lower their expectations, things would only get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:14 PM
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I never argued that that's how it works. I know for most it's the opposite. I made the prescriptive claim that they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:10 PM
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I think they should. Not in a creepy way, but in a I really like this person and shouldn't have dated them otherwise way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:50 PM
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I know. Some people are like that. I know a girl from high school who tried to kill herself because of this exact problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:19 PM
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guys find a hookup right away Whoa now. It can be a very long time. We must heal, too. It can take years to get over one obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:06 PM
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I find it hard. For me, with the slightest bit of attention, it could lead to years long obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:02 PM
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I find it hard. For me, with the slightest bit of attention, it could lead to years long obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:00 PM
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Exactly. Regardless of where or when you are in the world, I believe you have the right to complain. If it weren't that way, then you could just be like everything is okay because someone's marginally worse off than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:35 PM
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I know
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:27 PM
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I misunderstand. How will they be removed? Also, it must be a small demographic of people who want LTR and aren't serious about dating. I'd view them as almost the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:59 PM
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I don't see the stretching logic as breaking
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:00 PM
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The two are comparable they're just different levels of severity. People are getting hurt, just less in a political and institutional power sense and more in a relational instability sense. I almost guarantee that if hookup culture were less common, there would be fewer lonely people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:57 PM
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Only if everything doesn't include me and many other people. Just because something is 'preferable to a generation' doesn't mean it's correct or good. Insert the 'many people used to be racists' argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:46 PM
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But what if normalizing casual sex makes people distrustful and view others as disposable? What if it makes finding a long-term relationship hard because people only want sex and not a commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:36 PM
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The ones with good genetics will have a biological advantage. Although I would argue that there's much more that can be done. Not in our lifetimes, probably. Culture plays a large role. Being obese or not. Being gay or not. Being tall or not. What kind of relational structures emerge, e.g., fraternal polygamy. All the society's goings about and when it's appropriate to do things. Sure, biology informs all of these, but the society you can grow up in putz a larger twist on all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:02 PM
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But culture plays a large part. Just a few centuries ago, being obese wasn't a problem. If we do boil it down to just pure genetic factors, then it would be fertility and having a symmetrical face.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:59 PM
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But what if I don't even have bootstraps? What if having bad genetics isn't even the problem and its nebulous cultural, economic, and circumstantial problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:52 PM
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No, there's still a lot to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:47 PM
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Will keep in mind for potential future
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:42 PM
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I swear if there's a Rube Goldberg machine down there, I may just be scared asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:40 PM
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If people didn't fear scrutiny for sharing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:39 PM
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So I supplement with hand and mouth? How know when stop?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:37 PM
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Is it not just one arousable part down there? I thought it was like mine but just turned inside out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:35 PM
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What if no partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:34 PM
1

What are we doing wrong, or what can we do better?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:25 PM
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What kind of effort should I put in? Curious 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:17 PM
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I don't have the patience to turn one Reddit retort into an hour of searching. The 1350 argument has been invoked by racists for years now. It's reached a meme status. Even if the numbers were correct, it still conveys the same point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:06 PM
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Sometimes, yes. From personal experience, men are more "bigoted" because I don't hear a variety of women speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:04 PM
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It's the rhetoric that counts, not the decades old statistics. I could have went out looked for a study found it, read the methodology, and linked it and it would have had the same impact regardless. Even though it would be true it would just be a time waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:01 PM
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I know the statistics have changed, 1350 is just the phrase that everyone is familiar with already.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 03:47 PM
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Did you read this line in the post? No, I only read the title. a misandrist is not going to kill you for not giving her what she wants How do I know that. The vast majority of clan members don't kill nowadays either. rather she’s angry that you think you have complete authority over her. Why is 'she' assuming what I believe and think? The difference is that a misandrist isn't going to inflict violence as a result of their feelings on men while misogynists do all the time, nor do the have the pow…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:50 PM
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Elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:31 PM
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Aaa yes, it's okay for blacks to form and ethnostate and repress whites because of their historical oppression. I'm sorry there's just no way for a normal, fair going citizen to differentiate between a good black and a bad one. Therefore racism is okay. It's for our safety of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:23 PM
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Advocacy is the only thing we can do. And yet it'll only change things once it doesn't matter to we.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 10:28 AM
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it does not seem like a productive premise for finding what you desire. I agree. It isn't. It comes from lack of what is desired
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 10:13 AM
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I view promiscuity the same as cheating on your spouse. If the people you're having sex with aren't important enough to you to be considered your spouse, then you shouldn't be having sex with them. What kinds of general problems promiscuity could cause? The culture around it makes people distrustful. It makes sex casual rather than special. And what was listed above. Whore, ho, strumpet, slut. I see all the same connotation. I don't see who it's harming. I think we just value sex differently. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:26 AM
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Is someone who cheats on their spouse just being promiscuous, and that's okay? And it's not just that it would ruin sex like a meal. I believe it also causes general problems. I'm angry at a lot of things, I believe most problems are imposed on us and feed into each other negatively. So yes. I don't view it as insulting, insulting who? If anything, it's more of a spicy technical term in my context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:00 AM
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How do you go from promiscuity to treating others as disposable? Using them for sex after which disposing of them. promiscuous people hold high standards for sex and value sex itself very high- isn’t that logical Sometimes, they have high standards, and other times not. I'm arguing that they're devaluing it; you shouldn't eat a gourmet steak every night you'll ruin your appetite for it. Why do you choose to use “whoring” here? Rather aggressive and insulting tbh. I'm angry. Also, it's not insult…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:21 AM
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What are some examples of the problems associated with promiscuity? Promiscuous people treat others as disposable. Why would I want to be another drop in the bucket? It worsens gender relations i.e. the all women are whores, all men man whore dynamic. Macking people who don't fit into this demographic hesitant. I view someone who has many sexual conquests the same; I do someone who makes and breaks friendships as if they don't matter. It devalues sex. Defined here as sex for pleasure between con…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:00 AM
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Then it's hedged on significance. You can have HIV and just forget about it if you take the medication. My point would be that someone with an illness becomes desensitized to it, therefore not thinking about it as relevant to discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 02:54 AM
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I don't find it's about body count, more promiscuity in general but manly treating people as if they're disposable and don't matter. I wouldn't want to be another drop in their sex bucket. It also kind of disgusts me to think that there are people who don't like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 02:51 AM
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It's a taboo question to ask. It's like if I asked someone offhandedly about their medical history.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 02:46 AM
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I don't see how someone wanting to have casual sex is an indication of lack of commitment. Because they aren't staying with one person. Rather they treat people as disposable. It just indicates that they don't view sex the same. Nazi's don't view race the same, it doesn't mean we give them prowess Also being in many actual relationships doesn't indicate lack of commitment. I view being im many relationships as treating people as disposable. Truthfully I don't aee the difference between polysexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:51 AM
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And cultural circumstance, like in the case of an obese women. And prostitution?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:27 AM
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I mean, would it be immoral to coerce someone in or out of sex due to cultural and economic circumstance? For example prostitution or inceldom.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 04:35 PM
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Would it be immoral to deprive and / or coerce someone in or out of sex due to cultural and economic circumstance?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:02 PM
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Women control which men have success and don’t Conversely, men control which wemon have success in dating and don’t. the men who have success can treat them any way they want and still be successful. No, sometimes people do some horrid shit an then they're never successful again. But in many cases, yes, as long as they don't fuck up too bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:50 PM
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Ok You know a lot of things are arbitrary. Go watch this veritasium video
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:34 PM
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I agree with all but 1 thing. This is the best comment I've read on this thread. Especially because you used the word disposable. don't moralize sex I think sex has many ethical implications. Like it being immoral to have sex with someone who lacks agency, e.g., a child, someone who is unconscious, rape Etc. Also, I view it as a non-essential necessity. In other words, I'm lonely, and I vaguely blame society at large, and it's immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:29 PM
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"filling in the gaps" with your personal biases. Yes, there's no such thing as being unbiased while still being able to interpret things. Maybe if I were a corpse. :/ :\ See, this is what giving agency looks like. I take your words as you wrote them. I don't supplant positive or negative meanings to what you said, I just refer to what's said. Yes, but what if I were vague in my words. You would then have to assume something or ask. If you don't ask, it can just be assumed they didn't literally m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:12 PM
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I'm not saying we should put an end to promiscuity with the visible hand of the state. Rather cultural, it should be viewed as taboo. I believe promiscuity is a large problem. It shows a lack of commitment. Like if someone rapidly macks and brake friendships as if they don't matter. I wouldn't want to be with someone like that so as to not be another drop in the bucket. Also, it makes gender relations worse; it feeds anecdotes to the all wemon are whores, or all men man whore argument. A severe …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:38 PM
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I don't believe cutting consumption is necessary. We could have our cake and eat it too. I would love to hear how you balance out the communist and incel views. Well their are many things. I believe promiscuity is bad. I believe men are more violent due to testosterone. I believe people earning a different wage for the same job is wrong. I believe men getting longer prison sentences for the same priors relative to women is wrong. I believe vaguely that certain cultural aspects need changing. I b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:27 PM
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Men also use wemen for sex and then gost them. I believe it is bad when both sides do it. It depends on how you mean power. Sexually wemon are 'the gate keepers of sex' then yes. If you mean literally economic and political power, then no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:14 PM
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And just the fact that there is a form of respect and acknowledgment of the rules between the systems means that the systems themselves aren't arbitrary but quite the opposite. Quite the opposite, there is no such thing as a perfect translation. No one thing in my head can be directly put into somebody else's without a changing of sorts. You're assigning agency and then deciding yourself what they actually meant when they said something? When someone says something vague or that doesn't make sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:08 PM
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Do you still believe in private enterprise but it's run by workers? Owned by worker Some of us just aren't meant to mate with women. This scares me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:46 PM
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Well communist, I believe in a decentralized democratic organization of the economy, with major decommodification effects. Incel, I have involuntarily never compulated and believe it's due to some economic, cultural, and biological problems, some of which need fixing. And I believe myself to be a man, or at least a lil-boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:32 PM
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Mind my own business? Hypothetically, if you murdered someone, that should definitely be everyone's business.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:11 PM
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No, it's not unethical. Why would it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:09 PM
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Lost how?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:04 PM
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What's wrong with my previous statement? Spewing ad hominem's isn't convincing me otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:02 PM
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It was a rhetorical question. The point is that you can't because they're made up. They're something we assert is true via axiom.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:34 AM
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Give me evidence that proves the existence of numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:26 AM
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Connotation can be arbitrary, meaning isn't. You're telling me that associated mouth nosies with concepts isn't arbitrary. In Spanish, water is agua. The fact that they're different shows that the association is arbitrary. But it doesn't matter if the statement itself is true. You didn't address charitable interpretation. I'm assigning agency to this hypothetical person and assuming they hastily spok in an absolute isn't far-fetched. Why would someone argue something that would be impossible unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:01 AM
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I believe promiscuity is a large problem. It shows a lack of commitment. Like if someone rapidly macks and brake friendships as if they don't matter. I wouldn't want to be with someone like that so as to not be another drop in the bucket. Also, it makes gender relations worse; it feeds anecdotes to the all wemon are whores, or all men man whore argument. A severe lack of trust it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:27 AM
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Do you think it should not be taboo?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:32 AM
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I'm not saying we should force people with the hand of the state. But that it should be looked at as taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:26 AM
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you refuse the most obvious interpretation of that statement and ascribe some arbitrary qualifier to it without any basis whatsoever The meaning and connotation ascribed in a language is already arbitrary. My basis is that it would be impossible for that statement to be true, so I interpret it with charitability. Also, idioms are definitely comparable. They're just as arbitrary as speaking in absolutes that are impossible. Do you believe that the frictionless spherical cow that is language can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:51 AM
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is it fair to expect from the other person to put virtual qualifiers in front of that statement when I could have done that myself? Yes, because on face value, it would be impossible to interpret that statement as meaning all women. It's logistically impossible. Also, language has to be one of the least intuitive things that's held at such value. Like, have you ever heard of someone using idiom in another language? It's goofy. In other words, that's like saying well I didn't mean it was literall…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:30 AM
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Well, we could choose different terms, but more people should understand to just assume that you don't literally mean everybody in that demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:53 AM
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Well, see, not me personally, but there are pundits and whatnot. I don't see why you're being snarky about it when it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:45 AM
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Well, you didn't specify, so I feel most people would assume you mean all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:42 AM
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No, I know it doesn't work on a lot of people, I already know those people are too dogmatic. But there are enough mind changeable people for it to make a difference. You do know hole populations change their mind about things over time, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:40 AM
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No, I've changed my mind in the past. Others are also capable of this. Therefore, it can work. Also, I've heard some YouTube celebrities say misogynistic things as a joke, and they didn't get mobbed
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:33 AM
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Elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:04 AM
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I don't know. Maybe I could just explain to them my argument. Then perhaps they won't go on with this so-called mob.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:03 AM
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See, that's a social issue that needs fixing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:18 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:10 AM
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Elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:07 AM
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Regardless of whether your genetics fucked you up or your parents, you didn't have a say in the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:04 AM
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They both play a role. What's absurd is that regardless of what side you fall on, you arrive at determinism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 04:59 AM
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That it is, but we can at least advocate for not doing this with the hopes that with enough cultural change, promiscuity won't be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:01 AM
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I disagree, I want to have my cake and eat it too. The problems won't stop in our lifetime, but we can at least try and make things better for the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:58 AM
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Don't do this. This will only perpetuate the problems associated with promiscuity. It's not just shitty, it is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:51 AM
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The point would be that culture has a heavy influence on things. Kids who were wrote their left hand we're in some cases abused because it was the 'devil's hand'. Conversely, there we're less left-handed people. My point is that things don't have to be this way. Also you can take anything statistical and make it into a bell curve with standard deviation. Or you look at anything mathematical with Statistics and it has a zipfian distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:13 AM
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How do you engage with people on this sub? Someone macks clam, you I need evidence. Them here's 3,000 word study, you the methodology is wrong next comment. You don't need a study for everything. Especially prescriptive claims or claiming something as an axiom. I don't really need a study to prove that fun and love, constructed definitions by the way, aren't mutually exclusive. And especially in the context of this sub that can just be assumed. I wasn't even the one who initially said fun. I thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:01 AM
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Doesn't make your prescription any less of neo-Protestant/Puritanist horseshit, though. I agree with taxes that doesn't make me a liberal. It's objectively not. If it were, it would've ceased to be the absolute norm centuries ago. How is it good? Just because something advantageous hasn't takin root yet doesn't mean it's incorrect. Suppressing one's sexuality is harmful. If you don't know this in 2024, it's a you problem. I don't believe being whore-esk is a sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:50 AM
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I find that there's a heavy cultural influence that causes people to act promiscuous. Just how there weren't people who wrote with their left hand in Christian Society. So too can we chastise people for being promiscuous, and there will be less of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:34 AM
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Do I really need empirical evidence to demonstrate that many people aren't happy when they're lonely? Or to show that sex is why people do relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:32 AM
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Just like left-handed people. They didn't exist in the Catholic world. Yeah bro it's just biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:28 AM
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But with them having such a bad feet, how do I know they won't leave me too. I wouldn't want to be just another drop in the bucket.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:26 AM
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No, we walk as slow as our slowest walker. It doesn't mean we shouldn't chastise them far being so opportunistically horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:25 AM
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How is it harmful? Also, I'm not advocating for this out of puritanism. I'm arguing that it's generally bad for both parties. Like being rude but with relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:20 AM
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There's definitely cultural changes to be made
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:16 AM
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I can't mack it fair. People will always be people, but with enough advocacy, maybe it could change over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:16 AM
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It doesn't have to be this way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:13 AM
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I disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:13 AM
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Whoa, you didn't need to bring man and women into this. This goes for both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:11 AM
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I do agree, but at the same time, being opportunistic with relationships seems to cause problems. By the time I may get with somebody, they've done fucked everyone in Timbuktu
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:07 AM
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Very significant factor it is though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:59 AM
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I know, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try and not be. It just seems to cause a lot of problems when it comes to relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:58 AM
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In context here, they're one in the same
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:33 AM
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Maybe we shouldn't be gambling with love?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:29 AM
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I feel people just shouldn't be promiscuous
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:27 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:23 AM
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But some people don't get to have fun. And it just feels unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:20 AM
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See, i disagree with those. But the point would be like: on aggregate men commit more violence due to testosterone, but that doesn't mean all men are violent or that women can't commit violence. The point would be calling those hashtags out as incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 11:09 PM
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Bröther
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:31 AM
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I know some people who just don't clean. I also know a family that's like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:22 AM
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My income is heavily tied to my parents and their social status
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:18 AM
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Don't get me wrong, a lot of them construe it the wrong way. But I find more people undermine how much of a role biology plays. We are just blissfully unaware of how our biology tells us to be social creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:13 AM
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That's horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:01 AM
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I feel that when talking about a demographic of people, it should just be implied that you're speaking on aggregate and not literally every single person. I hate when people subvert the argument by invoking this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 02:08 AM
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Can you give a simple summary? Perhaps in some kind of hasty list?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 12:37 AM
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That's what I was thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 12:31 AM
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Wow, that's goofy. Twasn't expecting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:34 AM
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I see, this is interesting. By any chance, is it classified in the DSM?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:26 AM
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So we agree? Upward voice inflection
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:17 AM
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How is it not? 2ed comment made that argument
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:48 AM
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Even if I was attracted to a wöman primarily due to her bosom I still wouldn't consider that dehumanizing. Her as a person, her as meat, her personally, all constitute each other. And therefor the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 12:22 AM
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So what your telling me is a very small demographic of people have a fetish?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:51 PM
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See, my problem with this is that that would make being heterosexual a fetish for wemon for me. For example, if paying attention only to the others' minds is what matters, then I could hypothetically be wooed by a sentient broom. The tangible attitudes do matter when it comes to attention due to our biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 08:46 AM
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Then what is it? Mind you, I find myself too disagree with many definitions. Call me an ontological antirealist, but they seem arbitrary. People should talk, when passionate, in concepts and arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:02 AM
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Fundamentally, I don't see fetish as anything more than strong attention. Some of yall are addin convoluted qualifiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:35 AM
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No, I disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:21 AM
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I wouldn't give them that. Just because everything boils down to some kind of biological determinism doesn't mean that everyone's arguing for the thing position.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:54 AM
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The two are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:48 AM
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How is it red pilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:46 AM
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Why not? That would be an ideal scenario if I were 'there' type'
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:41 AM
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And blacks disproportionately commit violent crime relative to caucasians. Now imagine if I said, despite this, whites still put up with black people and interact with them daily. I guess us white people just have metaphorically thicker skin. Do you not see how this is racist logic but applied to misandry. You misconstrued what I said. I meant that both race and gender are socially constructed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 05:57 AM
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Explain how it's different. They're both socially constructed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:23 PM
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And I'm just worried about what those uppity blacks are up to. You know they disproportionately commit violent crime at 2.6 times the per-capita rate of all other Americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:20 PM
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Said perfectly
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:10 PM
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One time, I saw a small group of people agree that women were more attractive than men. So much so infact that women are attracted to women, twas there logic. To be fair, women are viewed as more trustworthy and cleanly relative to men. What's not to be attractive about them on aggregate, relative to men? The same could be said for the stereotype of a gay man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:55 PM
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I disagree, in many cases, their problem begins with cabin fever and ends in hatred for women. I'm not saying in all cases, this is the cause. Society for young men is set up in a way in which it's easy to fall into this. This is inherently political. Their logic usually goes, I don't have a wife. Therefore, the cause is: feminism, immigrants, Etc. I'm of the persuasion that the main cause of fascist politics, as of today, is male sexual insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:56 AM
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I'm not saying it literally causes psychosis. I'm saying being lonely for so long fucks you up. Are you trying to tell me that the incels aren't suffering from major depressive disorder or some kind of neurodivergence. These people are crazy and need help. The more they are alienated, the larger the fascist party will grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:05 AM
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No, I'm saying it causes a healthy man to go crazy and that it's normal in the same way a car crash causes PTSD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 09:39 AM
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Yes and no. What a dry spell does to a man will ensure he no longer cares about ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:51 AM
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I kind of understand where he's coming from. To be deceptive and crass is to rid yourself of the anxiety associated with the nuances of engaging faithfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:06 AM
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You're angry and I don't know why. I'm not reading all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:29 AM
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I've had this recommended before. I don't think I have any hobbies? And if I did, people don't do that where I live. Although I do think this would be useful for a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:21 AM
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Exactly, no action occurred, their feelings unjustified. I don't respect 'the vibe check', I believe people should be able to rationalize their social circumstances, almost like a science. I also disagree with the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Appling that logic means everyone or no one is a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:31 AM
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Fundamentally, nothing changed between the two friends other than friends 2 not denouncing the ex. He's unjustifiably mad about this scenario. All I'm saying is that people should be able to part ways without being bitter about it. There wasn't cheating nor stealing nor rape nor murder. No reason to be mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:59 AM
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I'm not saying you have to interact with them, but don't be principally oppositional for no reason other than yall broke up. I recently had a friend excommunicate another friend, of a half decade, because he continues to be friends with his ex. There is no reason for people to be so upset over almost nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:36 AM
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Just friends who want to be more than.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:17 PM
3

See, I wish more people were like this. People break up and act like they have to stay mad at each other forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 04:18 PM
2

Damn, imagine having someone confess feelings for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 04:17 PM
2

See, I wish more people were like this. People break up and act like they have to stay mad at each other forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 04:11 PM
2

Well, I'm not diagnosed. But I don't know where to find new people anyway, therefore no practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:39 PM
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Not just women, majority of social interacting between unfamiliar people. Call me autistic, but casually talking to new people seems basically impossible if you could even find a new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:27 PM
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Usually, I'll freeze up. And when I do talk, it's estranged. But I do want to talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:17 PM
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My point is I can't talk to a potential person normally because anxiety won't let me. I'll become standoffish. Flirting is completely off the table as it seems crass, and perhaps sexist, both ways. Its just not in my lexicon
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:12 PM
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But when I talk to the potential sex ones, it makes me scarwed. Regardless of my intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:04 PM
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I'm looking at this from 0 to no experience. And it all seems convoluted and gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:02 PM
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Why must it be so complicated?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:00 PM
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But when I talk to the potential sex ones, it makes me scared. Regardless of my intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:59 PM
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My argument is that they will separate regardless of the bureaucracy involved. Why would someone be like: "O gee, I don't want to fill out this paperwork, so I guess I'll just stay in this dying marriage." Even if we didn't have no fault divorce, people would just find a way to divorce or be legally married and very spatially separate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:39 AM
1

Not me, them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:35 PM
1

Yeah, I know I disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:32 PM
1

Exactly. Fuck marriage. Except this still won't fix the problem of volatile relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:14 PM
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If people want to separate, they will. They'll still be legally married but very separate. 'Oh no, I wanted to get a divorce, but I can't because of arcane rules. I guess I'll just continue living with my spouse and be happyer again' Hell, I believe my grandmother is still married. She probably hasn't seen her husband in over a decade. You can't policy your way out of whoreesk behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:02 PM
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By making it harder to enter and exit marriage. Effectively keeping people from marrying and trapping people in bad marriage. So, few will be divorcing, and of the ones that do marry will likely stay together, purportedly. If you mean exactly by policy, he said something about evidence and witnesses and whatnot. It would be like committing a crime and going to court both ways but with marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:07 PM
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That it is. Exactly why there shouldn't be marriage. Don't forget it should be easier for bad relationships to end. It would be better for the kids. What does marriage have anything to do with the cohesion of their relation? 'Oh, I hate my husband and want to leave, but then I think back to when we signed a piece of paper over a decade ago'. In other words, regardless of marriage or not, if the conditions were bitter enough, they will split. It is harder but negligibly so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:44 PM
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What do you mean? It's just as simple as 'breaking up' but with paperwork & finance. It was gonna happen regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:28 PM
2

Damn that was fast. Shucks. I'll take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:14 PM
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It's supposed to make people stay together more often. Realistically, it won't solve that problem. Making people less whore-esk is a cultural problem that we can't policy our way out of entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:56 PM
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I feel that whether or not they split has nothing to do with marriage(paperwork) and everything to do with complacency and contentedness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:47 PM
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Just do away with marriage altogether. There's no reason why people should be legally bound together unless there's a conflict of interest to start with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:41 PM
1

Why kids harder? We're currently below replacement rate. This attitude is the reason why we won't have social security.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:32 PM
2

Dude, I wanna get a permit in cunnilingus from the United States Vaginal Agency
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:28 PM
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Please 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:12 AM
1

Hopefully one day everything will be fixed and we won't have too goon unless by choice 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:28 PM
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Idk, the point is that we end up not expressing anything
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:21 PM
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I believe the largest drawback caused by social media, i.e., phones being entertainment, is that someone always has something to do other than socializing. I know we had magazines and TV and books and sitting quietly and waiting before the internet but now we always have it everywheres we go. But this is the only problem I see worth complaining about in this domain.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:18 PM
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Gender abolitionism?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:22 AM
1

No, I like existing. It's just like racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:21 AM
1

Except you haven't considered that movies with impressive CGI and no story are shitty. And therefore I don't watch them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:08 AM
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The point stands, though. A movie having a story isn't enough, don't get me wrong, it's a good thing that said movie has a story, but the fact that that's the selling point shows that it's a stretch. Also, why not engage? I would say that he didn't strawman the incel arguments making engagement valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:08 PM
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Be yourself, and if you end up getting institutionalized, that's life. Also, what if being someone else is yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:29 AM
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Being nice shouldn't be the selling point. This movie has a story.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:24 AM
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Coffee dates are real. I thought that was a TV thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:13 AM
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I can't short mog people. It doesn't work that way <insert shape in hole test.jpg>
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:11 AM
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So you agree that two people who supposedly aren't in love will become in love. I believe they're in love, you believe they're not yet. Do you make any distinction between lust and limerence. Because in this scenario we're talking about limerence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:53 AM
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Aye, I see. I still don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:49 AM
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Then how would you go about this process without some transitionary period at the beginning. One in know which no one can beat themself. Are you telling me you're yourself in a quiet room filled with people with all of a public approbium imposed on you. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:46 AM
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Then how would any two people ever fall in love? Nearly all social contexts start with awkward silence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:43 AM
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But we were. And given time, we could have fit this criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:41 AM
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No, neither me nor her were open enough to be 'ourselve.' All of this was found out retrospectively. But truly, can you ever be yourself in any context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:38 AM
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What if two people love each other but the other doesn't know it; and during this period, they were both too standoffish to be themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:33 AM
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I don't understand. So, to be in love with someone requires it be mutual? So, I've only ever been in love at people?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:26 AM
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Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Although I bet the majority of the time it's not by choice. Rather, through social convention, e.g., a formal event, the clothing that is available, being an occupational model, porn, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:51 AM
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I think saying, 'this is about as equals we can get it' is just as silly as the liberal we have mastered statecraft, tis the end of History, everything is okay. I'm not expecting some fasci-isk 1984 "reprogramming" or state mandated girlfriends. That fundamentally goes against the tenets of what I believe. I'm asking for a conscious and organic shift in culture towards what I postulate is better gender relations. Gender abolitionism would be the desired gole by the end. This will take a very lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:37 PM
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Exactly. So we can imagine a more egalitarian society where women would lust and narrativize and eulogize men as much as men do women. Personally, it seems to me that straight woman don't even like guys. Being a short, socially anxious guy is a romantic death sentence. Given the pursuer/pursué dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 10:35 PM
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But see, I don't like this answer. People always make arguments about human nature as if it's one thing that projects one form of society and culture. It's very easy to imagine that it's just culture and not biology. Nothing about our biology prescribes fraternal polygamy nor any other specific form of relations. I'm almost certain it's culture and not biology. The next step towards equality, in this domain, would be to push for social change against this phenomena. If it is biology, then I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:56 PM
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I don't know, man. I think that the statement: male sperm and attention is cheap' just sounds wrong. You know humans in antiquity committed rape murder and infanticide at higher rates than today. Our biology didn't change, but our attitude towards those things changed. This would make the cheap part misandrist. In other words, what we value has heavy biological influences that are not entirely determined by biology. So until women sexually eulogize men as much as men do women, I'm going to stay …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:13 PM
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So long for equality
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:45 AM
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Yeah, it's the same general problem with promiscuity. It's easy not to want to be with someone who has sex like it doesn't matter to them. It need feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:50 AM
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Why do others get this need satisfied but not me? Some of those others being, arguably, objectively worse. 😢 Also, it's definitely a need. I would argue that it's necessary for self-preservation of the species. And given that mentally, it's a need. Have you ever seen dogs in heat? There're sufferin.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:26 AM
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I hate promiscuity
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:20 AM
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For the first one, let's say just semen/DNA. No modern prenatal development. What does runners nipple have to do with the fact that we still have those hairs or better yet wisdom teeth. For the last, can I get a study? / I highly doubt sexual orientation is one to one with a locus. Also, how would asexuals and bisexuals be explained. I'm certain that today, there are way too many gays relevant to the recent past for it to be heritable. In other words, how does it explain the rapid increase witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 08:26 PM
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If evolution worked that fast, then why do our bodies waste time and energy to grow piloerection-ary hair? Do you not believe that if you took a modern baby and sent it back 800 years, that it wouldn't develop the same as it's coevals based on its environment? Also, how do gay people exist, they don't have children?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:24 PM
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It has nothing to do with evolution. The so-called natural state of humanity is a multiplitude of outcomes. Humans in antiquity committed rape, murder, infanticide, etc. At a much higher rate than today. Yet we found a way around it through policy and stigma. Why not ugly people? If anything, evolution proves that it's possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 10:27 AM
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It's not just sodas. High fructose corn syrup is in a lot of things. I'm not saying that it's completely outside their control. But, there are heavy environmental and genetic factors that play into obesity e.g. high fructose corn syrup and Dutch hunger winter. Government policy plays a heavily role other than individual will power.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 07:08 AM
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I'm not saying that it's completely outside their control. But, there are heavy environmental and genetic factors that play into obesity e.g. high fructose corn syrup and Dutch hunger winter. So, confining your sympathies is just cruel
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:31 AM
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Sorry that the two coincide, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:04 AM
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We don't have the right to tell people to better themselves? Don't get me wrong, I don't think that it should be done in a mockingly cartoonish way, i.e. carrot and stick. But we shouldn't do away with motivation altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:55 AM
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That's sad :(
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:50 AM
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Read up on me the effects of fructose drinks. It's uniquely worse. I've heard, not conclusively, that unlike eating a meal, high fructose corn syrup, despite having the same calories, does not signal to the brain that you're full. If this is true, this would cause you to over portion via the way it's metabolized in the body. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:43 AM
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I'm going to call this racist because Asians do have thicker skin. Link 2 You can't just be like 'haha white people, just "culture" better BMI' when it's largely a statehood issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:35 AM
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I know, right. People barely talk about how the government subsidizes corn in correlation with obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:59 AM
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God, we really need to do away with high fructose corn syrup🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:55 AM
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Personally, I don't find the two analogous. Usually, in debate, you would have to show how each scenario or alike. Also, like I said before, the lines between satire, analogy, rhetoric, etc become blured.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:23 AM
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"language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content." It lacked sincerity because you were being satirical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:17 AM
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The line between rhetoric and debate can be slim at times, so I don't know why this is a rule, but it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:14 AM
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I had rule 3 invoked on me, so I had to know what it meant. No Contentless Rhetoric No circlejerking. If your comment only provides agreement, snark, or rhetoric, this is considered circlejerking No trolling. A troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:11 AM
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I see. Sorry to be a stickler for the rules, but check rule 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:08 AM
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¿You invoked the 'you don't care because you won't take in the homeless' argument, so I responded? Unless you were being rhetorical/satirical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:00 AM
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The problem is systemic. We can't fix it on an individual level. Many people believe in the myth of the nobel bum. I'm not saying all homeless/poor people are dangerous, but many have developed to be given their condition. So accusing people, in general, of not caring because they won't let potentially dangerous people live with them is not how we fix the problem. So, instead of being impractical, maybe we could talk about a policy of decamodifying housing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:54 AM
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Yeah, if only we had ranked Choice voting or STV like Europa. The divisions in politics would be easier to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 05:56 PM
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Owning land confines you to where it is. To add a personal anecdote, I've seen wömen often date poor guys, especially if there're poor themselves. Criminality also often tracks with poverty. The reason why minorities mostly vote blue is fear of reverting back to Jim Crow / attempting to make up for the past. I've also generally seen minorities in rural places also vote red, and they tend to be poorer. Don't act like leftists are the only demographic with double standards. What about the immigran…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:01 PM
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There is a higher poverty rate in rural areas. Generally having a relatively disposable income is better. Even if there's more higher intrest men in a 3 mile stretch of a city, theres still more wömen to make up for this shortfall. Given how many possibilities of people there are, you're definitely more likely to find somebody you're interested in in a city. Unless you're looking for somebody with a certain political view. In this case, conservativeism tracks with poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:16 PM
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You're also macking the highest wages and paying the highest expenses. Meaning prices relative to your wage won't get interestingly higher if you go somewhere else. There's not necessarily more competition or higher expectations in cities. Also there's more third places in the cities rather than rural places.In what way is there more competition?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:56 PM
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City by far better. More people means more chances of finding. More money to make and spend. More things to do and see. I could only imagine what it would be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:51 AM
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Perhaps. I'm going to look for a study on this. If I find an otherly answer I will report back to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:37 AM
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It's a psychology term, I believe. Agreed. One thing I can't understand is the rural/urban political divide. Do you know why it's like this, I don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:21 AM
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We form biases based on the limited information presented to us. Wikipedia
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:10 AM
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Source for the, most women for most of history part. The statement: All man is good for is providing, is misandry. Just as it would be misogynistic for a man to only care about sex? Do you recognize the double standard in that logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:49 AM
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Source for the, most women for most of history part. The statement: All man is good for is providing, is misandry. Just as it would be misogynistic for a man to only care about sex? Do you recognize the double standard in that logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:48 AM
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Is this satire?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:34 AM
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The availability heuristic?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:32 AM
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