ThatDamnWoman Archive

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1	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign Yeah, the "joke". It's funny (well, not ha-ha-funny) because I never mentioned Prof. Hunt's comment to begin with. I just posted the stuff on the applicability of the legal concept that is freedom of speech. I'm not sure I really participated in the debate on whether his comments were a joke or not - I guess I can see both pros and cons, but the pros are tainted by the absurd and hateful over-reactions ("calm the shit down, ladies"), whereas I'm biased on the cons being a woman in academia mysel…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 08:25 PM
0	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign I have not stated my personal opinion on his statement. I have only stated that (the laws regarding) freedom of speech regulates the relationship between state and citizen. This is not to be taken as my opinion on the story, just some legal insight on the legal concept of freedom of speech. As for the huge amount of hate, flame and gaslighting I've received here... phew! This is my first internet fight and it's exhausting. I can't keep up with all the responses because apparently there's a timer…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 07:19 PM
1	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign I agree. But just to be clear: I have not expressed my personal opinion on this story. I have simply stated that freedom of speech from a legal point of view regulates the relationship between citizen and state. I'm from Denmark and H. C. Andersen wrote a fairy tale where the punch line is "one feather becoming five chickens" (the English equivalent is probably "making a mountain of a mole hill"). I don't remember what the fairy tale is called but it's about a chicken that loses a feather. As wo…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 06:32 PM
1	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign You're welcome, but I'm not expressing a personal opinion, I'm merely stating that (the laws regarding) freedom of speech regulate the relationship between state and citizen - which (oddly enough) is the only thing that's being contested. I'm not presenting my side of an argument - I'm just contributing with som legal insight on the applicability of freedom of speech since people are invoking it. Wait, people are banned for this?	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 06:19 PM
-2	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign But he didn't intend for it to be a joke. He meant it seriously, and it was therefore taken seriously. He stands by it, though it has been polished to a "romance in the work place is inappropriate", which is gender-neutral, diplomatically worded and objectively correct. I don't see how anyone can look at that comment and think he was making a serious remark. Context. He's a prominent member of the scientific community so his words (no matter how ridiculous they might sound to the general populat…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 02:38 PM
-4	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign Ah, I see. That clears that one up. I'm eagerly awaiting the clarification of the rest. Maybe it's because English isn't my first language either, but I fail to see how a clarification on how freedom of speech works can result in personal attacks and down-votes. As a human rights lawyer I find this very worrying.	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 02:19 PM
2	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign You need to bring your understanding of what free speech means away from the division of powers laid down hundreds of years ago (...) But I'm wearing my lawyer glasses... and I'm keeping them on for your example: If you said that Jesus wasn't real, and got burned at the stake, that's not freedom of speech. Even tho it has nothing to do with the government. If I got burned at the stake, I have to assume that there has been some sort of trial = government interference. Obviously there are some lim…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 02:05 PM
2	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign Agreed. I wouldn't say that people over-reacted but the accumulated reactions were pretty heavy. In my opinion astrophysicist Sarah Tuttle took it too far, whereas I found #distractinglysexy to be cute and witty. It also wasn't personally directed at Prof. Hunt.	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 01:53 PM
2	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign I notice you're getting the hang of the whole freedom of speech thing. I'm a lawyer specialized in European human rights law (basically what brought to r/MensRights) - I'm not sure if I should take this statement as an insult or a compliment (I'll just take it at face value and save the both of us from a heap of trouble), as I pretty much said the same as my prior statement: vertical right, state --> citizen. So I'm not getting the hang of it, I have the hang of it, thanks for noticing, btw. Tha…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 01:39 PM
-9	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign You were the one that brought up comparisons. You were the one that mentioned "bullshit high-positioned feminists". What initially started as a clarification on how freedom of speech works (that it's a vertical right, where the state can't limit an individual's right to expression) turned into a personal attack on me by you. You have not elaborated your statements. You have not answered my questions. You have not in any shape or form provided anything even remotely resembling facts related to th…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 01:26 PM
-1	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign That is true, and seeing as we're in Europe, we're also dealing with art. 10 in the European Convention on Human Rights (and I'm just going to analogue through this one, as Europeans - such as myself - tend to focus on our own constitutions rather than the stuff from far-away UN). Now, they are very similar both in wording and application and every single case on freedom of speech as a human right revolves around the state not limiting a person's freedom of speech, not sanctioning a person's opi…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 11:44 AM
-27	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign 1) What part of my above statement was inherently discriminating? 2) Please elaborate on how this was a joke. In his resignation statement he even stands by it - without claiming it was a joke. On a philosophical note: is it a joke when the audience isn't laughing? 3) I have not, nor will I ever, compare the statements of Prof. Hunt to the statements of other - much less these "bullshit high-positioned feminists" you're referring to. There's no better or worse here. 4) Sitcoms are fiction. I don…	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 11:27 AM
-46	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign Freedom of speech applies to the relationship between citizen and state, not citizen and other citizen. While I personally think that it's sad the he resigned, his statement not only offended women in science but also men in science as they are portrayed as unprofessional and unable to control their impulses around female coworkers. That Hunt was "forced to" resign is a new development to this story...	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 10:57 AM
-8	Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign Freedom of speech applies to the relationship between citizen and state, not citizen and other citizen. As long as the state hasn't sanctioned his statements, as long as the state hasn't forced him to resign, he wouldn't stand a chance in court.	/r/MensRights	15/06/15 10:50 AM