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Yeah I dont know what hes talking about. Theres definitely aspects of the red pill, that are legitamately good advice, for improving your attractiveness and not getting taken advantage. It definitely goes too far some times and isnt perfect, but it didnt get popular because none of its advice was useful
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:17 PM
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Yeah. What most men actually want is intimacy, both emotional and physical, however that aspect of relationship is not glorified, and if it is highlighted its definitely not in a masculine way. And sex and promotion of it, is the most socially acceptable way to pursue it as man,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:13 PM
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I feel like it can help in numerous ways. Theyre more likely to invite you to events, where they have other mostly female friends, where they will vouch for you. Straight up incidental pre-selection, if shes attractive and hanging out with you, other people will just assume theres something cool about you. They can wing women for you. Theyre far more likely to actually come over and help if you are sick. Fashion and picture confirmation, have helped my online profiles. Actual emotional support, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:37 PM
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We arent. I think the biggest lie, the red pill espouses is that men should never be friends with women. In reality, you can learn quite a lot from, and about women, by just being friends with them. It helps a ton if you legitimately arent dying to smash them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:27 PM
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It was possible because, we still enforced a stigma against pre marital sex , had limited options, valued marriage, and had less income inequality in general ( i.e. the difference in lifestyle between choosing one man over another was small). This didnt change womans nature, but rather lead to them being more equitably distributed, because the 10 male wasnt wasting time on a 5 even for sex. With the invention of the pill and the sexual revolution, which ironically happens in the 70s, this begins…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:53 PM
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Theres definitely overlap. I think theres a base presumption that women are wonderful, for all races. What race changes is the degree to which general society give you that bump and how large it is. Black women get this to a way lesser extent, often being characterized as masculine. White women tend to get the largest bump because of the obvious cultural hegemony white people tend to wield on views of femininity and beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:43 PM
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Im on the same page, what ive found with women, is its less so that they agree with other women all the time. Its more so that they, will often play nice to get along, even with women they dont like, so as not to be ostracized from the group. Because historically, being ostracized from other women, spelled trouble if not death. That is not same as agreeing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:37 PM
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Like the more I think about it, the more I realize its a pretty big improvement over what we have now. The only thing I would change is maybe not making the denominator of the response rate or date rate visible. Because I could see total matches becoming a barometer women use to preselect men. More matches, means there has to be something special about this guy, and it could lead to the same feedback loops we see today.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:59 PM
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Yeah Im agreeing with you. What women consider attractive, has far more to do with the current culture/city/country they are immersed in, rather than some objective truth. The only objective thing that consistently has been found to make men more attractive to women, is that man having dominance either over other men or other women. And since dominance over others is always relative, so are womens attraction triggers. Its all relative. And always has been. The best illustration of this relativit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:48 PM
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This is exactly the case. Most women's attraction cues are relative. Because most of their attraction triggers, are based on a mans ability to dominate other men. Tall, smart, violent, rich, strong, social skills, are all just different ways in which men can show dominance and power over other men. Its why women can be in love with a CEO, a drug dealer, athlete, or artists, they're all just different forms of dominance. And women have a tendency to pool around the most powerful men. In the past,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:29 PM
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I mean we're already seeing it. People, on average, are having less sex, forming less relationships, getting married less, having less kids, and buying less houses.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:16 PM
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Wow I always thought the key was simply restricting male likes, so as to stop the negative feedback loop that occurs when men like way more people than women. But public match and date data, could be a game changer. The only issue is if people keep making new accounts, but i guess you could get around that by having facial recognition for all users
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:13 PM
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Thats surprising. As that very phenomenon, is probably the number one complaint of all the high achieving women I know. Theyre no men on or above their level, who want to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:03 PM
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Yep, the real issue why massive self improvement wouldnt work, is because attraction triggers are relative and often based on dominating other men. Its why a "tall man" in the nordic country is like 6ft5, whereas a tall man in like mexico might be 5 ft 8. All that would happen is, women would move the goalpost on what was considered attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:56 PM
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You have to have a balance. Most people need other people in order to survive and thrive. Knowing the right people at the right time, can change your life. So by and large, people who have larger social networks, and are kinder are gonna be more successful on average. The successful people who are assholes, just have a high trait of disagreeableness, that whats allows them to cut against the grain, and do things other people wouldnt in order to succeed. Theyre the people who are willing to start…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 07:00 PM
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You can have attractive friends, but realize they may be unsuitable for a serious relationship for a number of reasons. Typically though, only men who have a good amount of options think this way, men who dont tend to wanna hookup with any attractive friends they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:05 PM
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Women always have men who are interested in them. From puberty to death. The only thing that changes with age, is that the top men she really wants, the ones who have really built themselves into something, might no longer want her for the LTR's. Thats it. But there are always, tons of other men willing to put up with a womens shit at any age. Essentially women always have a parachute, that parachute just might not always be golden
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 09:07 PM
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Exactly. Ive been friends with a large number of women. Some are model level attractive, and others were not that attractive at all. And every single one of them had men chasing them to some degree. I have met exactly one woman, who didnt have men chasing her. And she, is a friend my dad confused for a boy. And even she now has a boyfriend. Whereas I've seen female friends of mine reject men for everything from the shape of their head, to the general silhouette of a man who was in immaculate sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 09:02 PM
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My theory is that women have a way harsher looks standard to find men physically attractive(6 ft+, big dick, muscles and low body fat, etc), but because so few men can actually meet that standard, they have to find other things to love about men. Which is why you often get women saying things like "looks dont matter as much for men". Because if they didnt find other things to love, most women would die alone, there just arent enough tall, great looking guys to go around. Regardless of that thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 08:40 PM
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Yeah, that is objectively not true. There are many ways for a man to mess it up even with a match
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 08:14 PM
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To add to this, literally had one female friend just blanketly say: "Women handle every form of stress better than men" I was like really, all situations. I said what about in war or just massive physical confrontations in general. She ignored that completely, and then launched into how women on average suffer from more from medical malady, and how they're happier single. And used that as a justification as to why she was right. Didnt dive into nature vs. nuture. Which when you're making men vs …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 10:23 PM
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Youre right. Traits for relationship formation > Traits for Relationship satisfaction. Superficial reasons play a way bigger role in relationship formation, while housework plays a far bigger role in relationship satisfaction. As much as women claim to value chore division lets be honest, how long would she have to wait to find out you contribute fairly to housework. The earliest she would realistically know is when you move in together, but most people dont move in together until 6-12 months ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 10:00 PM
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Yeah, I dont think most women actually want it. Y Or if they do, their selection process actively weeds out those type of men. The type of man, who would enjoy doing all of those, is not normally 6ft 3 jacked ambitious guy(you being the exception). And theyre also the type of traits, she would only realistically find out about well into the dating process. So she needs other things, normally the stereotypical looks money status, to get her attracted first.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:47 PM
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They dont act like that. And Im willing to bet most men, in this sub, would be willing to give it. The fact of the matter is, most of those things only matter once you're deemed hot enough for a relationship. And you can only show these things after you develop a relationship with a women. But if you're hot enough for a relationship, you dont need to rely heavy on these things to get female attention. So its kind of a moot point. Proof: I did all the growing on all of the other aspect mentioned,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:46 PM
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Lol basic math
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:52 PM
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I dont know if you've looked around but that is what happens. Those guys cheat and their women stay, because they dont want to risk it. Think beyonce and Jay z. Also if a woman thinks she can do better than the dude she has, even if hes an objectively high quality man already, she will. Thats why a lot of cheating for women happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:41 PM
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The wall is more of a ,downgrading in the perceived quality of men, women have access to rather than a off switch. One of my much older female friends is experiencing it now in her 40s. In her 20's even though shes quite out of shape, was able to date successful men, never seriously but she would have sex with them. Now in her 40's, the men who are interested in her are customer support for uber. And even a lot of the mediocre men, arent always looking to commit. Its not that the she stopped get…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:35 PM
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Youre describing the system we have now as a solution when, it is the problem. In our current system of dating, women liking and replying to men is the bottleneck. Therefore, we already have a system where men can only talk to women who match them. All your change would do is make it so most men have empty screens, because women as a group if they’re gonna have to make the first move, pick the hottest guy. If there’s no limit on hottest guys, hottest guys will right swipe most of them. We re bac…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:49 PM
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Its literally why monogamous societies with some stigmas about promiscuity have historically performed better overall than polygamous ones. Lets look at dating in monogamous societies with stigmas about promiscuity: In a society where men are discouraged from having harems, the top men have to choose one woman. Since those men can only choose one woman, they pick the best woman they can reasonably get, paying far less attention to women below them who are easy hook ups. And far less to women abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:52 PM
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I remember that in highs school. Shit was wild. Forget its name though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:46 AM
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I guess that is the major flaw in the system. A man who is perfectly fine to you as a friend could be horrible to date
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:46 AM
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The only solution is limiting mens likes but not womens. You limit mens likes, they have to be more intentional with who they actually choose to like. Now women have far less options to wade through, and the likes they do have are people that they know actually like them. Because women have a more realistic view of who actually likes them, they dont get distracted by Chads, because there will be none in her inbox. Men get: More matches as a group as a whole, and better conversation Women get: Le…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:40 AM
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The irony being historically speaking, marriages were the most stable, when men had more control or influence in the dating process.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:35 AM
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Yep. Why lost solid backup plans. And if they arent a solid backup plan, they probably wouldnt reccomend them in the first place, because they wouldnt want to be associated with someone who is not cool
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:33 AM
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Lol thats was cold. BUT SO TRUE LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:30 AM
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Hate feels like an incredibly strong word. Honestly I feel like most men just dont want to date them, because of the perceived stigma of having a girl who is easy. Look no further than Logan Paul and his fiance, if you want to see how that kind of stigma can end up damaging a dudes career.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:27 AM
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If we're talking purely about absolute number of sexual partners. They dont. Your e forgetting that theres a large mass of men who would fuck anything that moves. Something like 10-15% of dudes. And that number dwarfs the added attention a high value man gets. 10% of 150 Million. Is 15 Million men, on top of the large number of less thirsty men that like her The real advantage the HVM has is that his options are normally higher quality, and his options want him for more than just sex. Something …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:19 AM
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Read the book undercover sex signals. It will teach you the body language cues to look for. Also as a general rule of thumb, if a girl is complying with your requests or qualyfing herself to you looking for validation, she likes you. If she isnt or is even challenging you, then theres doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:46 AM
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Your male friends def don’t have a high close rate unless their approach numbers look like 4/5. In which case it’s such a small sample size to not even really measure in percentages. Or unless they only approach when they have a blaring green light, like a friend saying they would date them. Or they just happen to be some incredibly interesting dudes with low standards. Also so long as your an average to above average looking girl most men would probably entertain at the very least a hangout. Es…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:35 AM
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More aptly put. Women are companies and Men are job applicants. Do companies approach employees? Yes, but only sometimes. And mostly when they are a homerun pick that is incredibly hard to come by. Those high value employees get basically whatever they want, because they can leave at any moment
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:25 AM
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And just because a woman has interest at you at any given particular point in time, doesnt mean her interest will stay there. She might have been horny that day. Then when you arrange the date, boom, sorry something came up. So even when a woman has interest in you, theres still levels to how much and the can fluctuate massively with the same woman
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:21 AM
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I dont think men ever have more options, unless theyre fame. What they do have is significantly higher quality options once they reach a certain level
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:19 AM
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A 60% success rate is crazy high if youre approaching with any volume. Say over 30 or 40 people. Granted Im assuming the approacher is a man. The best non famous male pickup artists close at about 15-20% when it comes to cold approach. Male models on tinder have about a 22 percent match rate. Only men who do better than that normally famous or not cold approaching. I guess 60% might not be that high if youre a woman though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:18 AM
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Every study on making the first move basically leads to the same conclusion. Whoever approaches, gets their most preferred available option. Because the approachers move down a list of their preference until they find the best one that accepts them. Mean while those who accept requests normally end up with their least tolerable match. And dating trends show that too. For men, you are penalized for not approaching, and seen as net neutral for doing it. For women, you are seen as neutral for not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:08 AM
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Okay, so what they do if they weren’t. Why couldn’t they be waiter, or join the military, or do one of the many non sex work jobs
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:02 PM
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We re judging people off of accolades that can be seen on a dating app. Same as all of the rest of judgments people complain about
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:39 PM
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I mean it actually makes a ton of sense. If you think woman are only gonna want you for money. Then moving to place where it goes further makes a ton of sense. The alternative for those guys is stay in America and get a worse deal. Often for women who won’t even do the traditional roles. At least if they move their money goes further, they get a more traditional woman. Makes a ton of sense from their perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:37 PM
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Have you ever heard of passport bros
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:34 AM
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I also think its just not very hard to find an educated women if you went to college yourself, esepcially a decent one. There are literally 1.5x more college educated women than there are men. Will they be in shape? IDK Young? IDK, With lowish body count? IDK. But no matter how valuable Ive been, Ive almost always been able to get a girl who went college. Hence men dont really bring it up as much. I know being educated vs. being smart are 2 different things. But we're judging people based on tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:31 AM
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So why wouldnt the message be, hey lets get them off drugs instead of ending prostitution. Because literally any job that pays people, has the potential to enable a drug habit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:44 AM
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The true redpillers, knoq the first rule is to not talk about it lol. Its crazy. It be the people who say they have the radar the most who be missing the most. Unless the guy is an idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:41 AM
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Most people who do sex work, especially if we including escorting or only fans, are indeed choosing to do it. I believe there have been multiple women who could have been lawyers, or other well regarded corporate jobs, but didnt because the money was just way better
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:41 PM
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Because who gets tested more, and requires more of their partners to be tested. Someone whose lively hood depends on being clean, or some random girl who could be hooking up just as much but throwing caution to the wind. Its the same reason why pornstars are normally far cleaner than your average girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:34 PM
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I was gonna say this was the whole point of the sexual revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:30 PM
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Thats the part that has never made sense to me. The common defense for sex work is often that these women have no other option. They have to do it. They would be destitute without it. At the same time the same people will shame men for using them. Accepting these 2 claims can only lead to one of 2 conclusions. Either the women are desperate and will die if men listen to women and stop patronizing them. As they have no other option for work. OR The women arent desperate and as such dont need to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:27 PM
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Its funny. I think men place higher importance on a womans looks, but actually have lower looks standards. Whereas women have way higher standards for a man to be considered attractive, but theyre so high, its actually rare a guy meets that level of physical attractiveness. So they are forced to find other things in men to be attracted to. So because of that it seems like women care less about looks, when in reality most men fall short of their high bar. As such they have to find other things to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 09:27 PM
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Which makes sense. When men cheat its stupid, like naming their sneaky link sneaky link. When women cheat they have elaborate back stories to justify why they did it. When men are the side piece, they are normally cool being quite. When women are the side piece, they normally want to become the main chick, so they start doing things that will destroy the relationship. Everything from leaving hair in cars, to make sure he smells different when he goes home, to straight up just telling the main ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 08:12 PM
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Exactly, if you got 50 matches and all of them have massive red flags youre either dismissing everyone off of trivial shit and calling it a red flage, terrible at picking people you like from a profile and so when conversation starts its bad, or not that great an option yourself so you get equal not great options
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:25 PM
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Yeah cause even the really fat girls have tons of options now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:18 PM
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Crazy thing is all those women still have more options than the average dude. So, if anything the problem is men standards in as a group arent high enough
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:16 PM
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While possible, I just dont see that as sustainable given how much rates of divorce for lesbian relations seem to be when compared to hetero and gay relationships. Which is around at 74-78% I think people just end up mostly living alone, and hooking up with people when theyre horny
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:09 PM
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Sort of, but not really. And it comes down to differences in how we determine what an attractive partner is. Men in general just naturally tend to have more consensus on what makes a woman attractive. Hence, the best looking women get the most attention. The presence of other men liking her does nothing to increase his attraction to her, in fact it normally does the opposite. Seeing as a wedding ring normally stops a guy from approaching. Woman are the exact opposite. The presence of another wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 10:38 PM
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thanks for being honest about it. I dont get why so many people try so hard to deny it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 10:26 PM
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I dont think women think men who are unattractive are worthless scum. I just think they dont notice or care about them at all. They literally are not thought about unless those guys approach the women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:56 PM
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The funny thing about it as someone who fits the bill, while it is easier its not the cake walk most men think it is. Its funny Ive seen attractive women, who I and my friends would objectively date, get made fun of for having that standard. And then Ive seen women way less attractive and accomplished snag those guys due to access, and compromising on looks. Being willing to compromise some on looks, and having access to those kinds of men through work or school or social circle, seems to be the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:54 PM
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Its funny the guy youre describing whose making these demands is probably a dude who has options. He would make these demands once, and then if that didnt work replace you. The men who allow women to get away with doing things that threaten the security of the relationship dont have that ability. And thus would be way more likely to either compromise or give on all on the things youre asking. Theres no double standard. Theres a standard that men with leverage excercise because they can
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:05 PM
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Lol none to my knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:46 PM
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Yeah, but let’s be honest. If this is a one stand, you’re probs not asking body count or test. If it’s fwb, you would ask for a test not the body count. Cause let her say 2, and then you get an std. 2 is more than enough to give you a virus. Her count might even be that low because she has an std. it’s just not a very helpful metric for that specific purposes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:04 PM
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Yeah, but if you’re casually sleeping with a girl and you care that much about diseases you ll probably wait for her to get tested. Body count doesn’t tell you shit about diseases. It makes it more likely she may have one, but it doesn’t tell you much
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:41 PM
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I mean sounds like youre doing fine then. I personally dont have a problem with ppbros. I think its a win for almost everyone. American women get rid of men they view as average or dusty, American men get a wife, foreign women get a rich provider, Foreign men, they definitely get shafted not gonna lie. I just dont think enough people have remote jobs that would allow them to fully make the transition out of america to live somewhere else permanently. Or are willing to give up all of their ties b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:46 PM
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I never said they could have maids. I said they could Travel which they definitely could. That used to be defined as part of the middle class experience
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:40 PM
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Yeah I said most people cant even have a middle class living today unless you have 2 above average incomes or have 1 very high earner. That didnt use to be the case. A median income could net you a house, provide for a family, and some money for a vacation or 2. Not rich. But better than what we have today, where even software engineer making six figures will have roommates
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:36 PM
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To live rich, nope. To be able to live a solid middle class life on one income, that was possible basically pre Reagan 80s. That was a life where women legitmately had the option not to work. And you could still have vacations, own property, and take care of the family. Nowadays you need like 2 above average salaries just to be comfortable. Not even to do any of the other stuff. Women don’t have a choice not to work unless they get lucky and land a successful kind man. But again because of educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:25 PM
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2 and 3 make sense when you consider what girls do in short term scenarios. Normally girls have way higher looks standards for ST flings. So they were probably hotter than you, especially if they were doing things they no longer wanna do. It was probably a very attractive dude on vacation or far removed from her current social circle, so the chances of her experimenting and it getting back to people she cares about was relatively low. However if she does it with you her BF, and lets say things d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:17 PM
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Okay still relatively on par. I would be interested to see the break down by age. 25 vs 44 are living very different lifestyles. And I assume a lot of that is concentrated towards the 35 plus crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:54 PM
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It’s all good
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:59 PM
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Lol that is like 99.9999% of all porn. The remaining percentage being people who are into findom and degredation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:59 PM
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Sometimes people have to learn for themselves. If you made a good effort to try and help and educate them, you did more than a lot of friends would. There’s no need to feel guilty. I’m sure she will build herself back up in time
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:52 PM
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I know. I agree with both of those things. You can tell women that all you want, if they feel like they’re still having fun, they’re not gonna listen to you. That’s for them to decide hookup culture is no longer fun
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:36 PM
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She does have her own account, that she gets for her things, but yeah for the most part he does. Once all the kids in the family graduated college it freed up a lot of money. And since we all also have good jobs, she doesn’t really do much any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:33 PM
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I agree. It’s incredibly privileged. It’s funny though when she first got married she was fully prepared to work to build something together and work for the rest of her life. She just got really lucky that my dad grew to be quite successful. It sad that being able to live like her used to be the norm. Now it’s something few could ever realistically dream to afford
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:30 PM
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Lol she ain’t in a cage. She’s in Jamaica for like the 6th time this year but go off 😂😂😂. She could divorce my dad any time she pleases. She would be insanely stupid to do it because you’re not gonna get a better partner than him on like all front. But she can nothing is stopping her from being set for a while if she wants to 😂😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:24 PM
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Yes, men have been screaming that society views them as largely disposable unless you make money. We keep saying there’s no cat lady memes for men, but there are. We just call them incels, losers, and don’t give a fuck about them when they die or commit suicide. If you’re point is that women are happier alone then men are alone, sure that might be the case. Would need more data points than just unclaimed bodies. At the end of the day both men and woman are happier in good relationships than outs…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:23 PM
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I mean it doesn’t really disprove that women may die lonely. Just that men also die lonely as well. Which makes sense we re becoming more atomized as a society and forming less families , so dying without strong ties is becoming more common
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:17 PM
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When it comes to relationships for marriage hypergamy is full tilt. When they’re younger it’s more about fun and emotion. Or even if it’s not the, parameters for hypergamy are more he’s cute and likes my favorite band than he’s needs to make x amount of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:03 PM
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I mean who cares, if they’re happier alone, theyre happier alone. I don’t really derive any great joy from hoping they suffer
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:53 PM
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I understand statistics. I agree my friends aren’t the norm in anyway shape or form. But men who make six figures and take care of themselves aren’t the norm either. It is possible for trends that apply to a larger subset of the population to not apply to smaller ones, especially when you’re dealing with outliers. If you’re talking about some regular dude then yeah you are gonna do worse when you’re 40. If you’re talking about Leo, he seems to keep cycling through 25 year olds. So there are obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:42 PM
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Yeah, I tend to lean more to that said of the scale. As income inequality gets worse and birth rates drop, the disparity between what a young person can offer and what an older man can offer will become massive. Like you’re options are 26yr old median wage man who lives at home with his parents. Or the 35 ur old man who makes like 200k, and is still in good shape. Most girls are picking the 35 yr old, especially if they want a serious relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:37 PM
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Some do go celibate. Others date. The one woman in her 40s I know still will try to date but it rarely manifests into anything. Other than maybe a hookup. I don’t see a problem with either choice to be honest. If celibacy makes her happy. Let her be ceibate
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:34 PM
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Women are free to do as they please. If they’re 40 and still find fulfillment in hookup culture, that’s their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:31 PM
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Nope, have a good amount of friends who are though. And they love to talk about their dating struggles. Trust me, I would be with you on this one if I hadn’t heard this story so many times, from women who are around my age. My good friend whose 27 and a lawyer literally just made her relationship with a 40yr old lawyer Facebook official. Do I think this all women no, but there’s enough to where a man can date reasonable date like 5-10 years down in age if he has made something of himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:28 PM
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Okay. It’s just something I’ve noticed more with women who earn a lot of money. Like say you make 150k a year like some of these girls do, there ain’t that many men making close to that, who also have their shit together, who wanna commit in their 20s. Normally they compromise somewhere, whether it’s looks, or age, or income. Granted in a study, that would be a small sample size of women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:19 PM
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Sure. And honestly what’s wrong with that. The whole reason men even care about body count is because of marriage stability or child paternity. If this girl has no intentions of either, what’s wrong with casual sex with men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:13 PM
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Just going based off my friends in their mid to late 20s. These are all very successful women, all of them have their age preferences set to from like 30-40. Some have gone further up. All of them have at least dated a dude in their mid 30s or even early 40s. It’s not as crazy as you think. Obviously if you aren’t a successful 40 year old you’re gonna have a hard time. But if you have your shit together there’s definitely demand. And I think this is especially true for women who make six figures…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:09 PM
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I don’t know my mum seems happy. She hasn’t had to work a job in 20 years. All she has to do at this point is cook one meal a day and not even everyday and do laundry. After that she does basically whatever she wants. She travels all the time, gets any clothes she wants, has help with both from a maid and my dad, she’s basically free to spend her day doing whatever she wants at this point. Sleeps in when she wants, get brunch when she wants, doesn’t have to worry about fixing anything that break…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:05 PM
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I mean 40% of women over 30 are about to be single by 2030. Accordingly that would mean most men are probably single as well. It will be interesting to see what happens. I guess if the red pill is right, about things like the wall, even more insane competition for younger women. And older women will be happy that they no longer have to deal with as many men hounding them to date them. As they are happier alone without a man. Seems like a win for everyone except young men to be honest. Old women …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 01:52 PM
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What I love about this exchange is that she goes from trying to argue against it to arguing for it in like the space of 1 comment 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:24 AM
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Lol apparently a lot of woman cant either, so I guess we even then loool
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 01:44 AM
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Sometimes the red flags are specifically what gives them the tingles
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:05 PM
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No I live in New York. Not an Applebees city. Regardless OPs main point is that they want warm intros to comeback. Bars,clubs, and Applebees aren’t warm intros. They’re also dying in terms of attendance, especially as a way of meeting partners, as the years progresses. At the end of the day dating market is dictated by women and powerful men. If women want warm intros to return they can change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:04 PM
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60% of women have used dating apps. So they’re definitely have been on there. I think they just get off faster whether that be due to harassment or finding some quicker due to higher average matches. Regardless they have the power to change the current dating paradigm if they want to nothing is stopping them from yelling from the rooftops to approach at gyms, schools, work, through friends etx
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:56 PM
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Fax. Really attractive dudes be saying the wildest dirtiest shit and women are just like yeah whatever you say
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:54 PM
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False. They may shoot their shot. But they aren’t begging or pleading if turned down. They aren’t jumping through ridiculous hoops. The more I’ve worked on myself and chased less the more women come to me . The more I’ve chased women, the further away they’ve got
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:53 PM
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I mean if all women just collectively got rid of dating apps and Instagram , and started being more open to in person approaches, warm or cold, wouldn’t dating apps just die. Problem solved. I know a lot of women aren’t on dating apps but if the number dipped lower that is essentially what would happen. But then you would to accept that your not gonna have tons of good looking dudes to choose from. And they’re not gonna be available to you from the comfort of your own home
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:48 PM
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Yeah I think we re in agreement then. I don’t think we ever actually disagreed we just have different ways of saying the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:44 PM
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They shouldn’t. I literally never made that statement
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:38 PM
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Yeah and normally the highest desired people have the most/best options. These statements aren’t in conflict. No one’s like yes I’m trying to date the 5th most attractive girl in my class.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:36 PM
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Desire is the leverage, and its often extremely context dependent. Take a black person whose an objective 10 and stick them in a klan meeting. All of a sudden they’re gonna have trouble dating even though by all objective metrics they re a 10. Often times the people we find attractive are entirely based on the context of who we see a ton. It’s why the hottest girl in your high school doesn’t seem as hot when you go to college and then into the real world. It’s not that she got less hot. It’s tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 06:29 PM
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Yeah at the end of the day it’s a market similar to the job one. You might be the best damn telegraph operator in the world. If no one needs a telegraph operator where you live though, then you are fucked. It’s the same with dating. It’s all a game of leverage
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 06:16 PM
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I agree kind of. I think due to social media there’s a lot of agreement to what a very attractive girl/guy looks like, because we see them all the time. However I don’t think there’s a universal concept of an average dude because we aren’t shown those images as much. I’ve seen girl call men, who I would say are objectively average , cute. Ive also seen them call men who are male models or actors average. I think there’s a lot of agreement about who the most attractive men are. but when It comes …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 06:13 PM
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The problem is average is normally very context dependent on ones life experience. To a girl whose social circles is ripped finance bro, their average might be the male whose a professor making 100k. That same guy might be considered an absolute catch to a lot of other people but he’s average to the girl commenting. Even girls “plain looking guy” are not the same depending who she hangs around or where she lives. In the south, a skinny guy or girl might be consider a steal because of the general…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 06:05 PM
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The responses youre gonna get back are gonna vary wildly depending on what the girl thinks of as an average guy. Most girls base average on the men they are around in their social circle. And often most guys that girls think are average are normally above average, compared to the population. I.e Even having a college degree makes a man above average in IQ, most girls would probably think hes average though, because most of the men they interact with have college degrees. Im gonna guess theyre go…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:50 PM
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No one likes marriage pity sex. Just like no girl wants to hear a man chose her because he had no other options or because his A-team and B-Team wasnt getting back to him. Also when you were the man she settled for, that often leads women becoming unsatisfied in the long term. Which normally causes them to cheat on you or even stop sleeping with you altogether. They far more like to get angrier over smaller and smaller things, and that conflict often leads to divorce. Which ironically puts the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:29 PM
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But all of these things are actually massively confounding variables. As they have found that people who look better and are taller get paid significantly more over the course of their career. The number 1 predictor for a beautiful face, was parental income i.e. were you exposed to toxins and stress as a kid or were you able to avoid it with money. Food insecurity and sleep plays a massive role in determining a kids height as well. So in reality since the variable confound so much, its not that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:38 PM
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https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2015/10/buss-1989-sex-differences-in-human-mate-preferences.pdf According to this cross cultural study it seems to be biological to some degree. Even men from culture that had little to no contact with the western world seem to care about their female partners body count
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:31 PM
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This used to be the standard. They were fine, because that was the culture they were raised in. You asked a girl to date, and if she said yes you guys would be exclusive. They waited until marriage or more likely until things got serious to start having sex. However most everyone got married rather quickly and easily. The problem we face today, like with most problems in culture comes from comparison. Knowing that there are men, out there having hundreds or even thousands of partners, while your…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:27 PM
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While true, hes also way more likely to be bad in bed. More likely to be worse in a relationship, due to lack of experience with dating norms. More likely that you have to be the one to teach him things, something that most women dont like doing with men. More likely to have a smaller to non existent social life or group of friends IRL, because most people with vibrant social lifes/circles get gfs or laid. So it just suggests a ton of negative things about him, most of which, outweigh the potent…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:16 PM
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I do music pretty seriously when I’m not coding and while girls do like artsy professions photographers seem to have a leg up on all of the others. My guess is because models need pictures and gigs and if you’re a good photographer your both used to being around hot women, you’re giving them value in the form of pics. So that can happen in a ton of different ways. They might invite you to parties if you’re cool. I know some of my friends have had girls proposition them for photos. Some of them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 12:38 AM
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Lol he should probably go find some reason to be confident first. Whether that’s building money, or muscles, or status, or being funny or dressing better. Obviously he can act confident all he wants, at the end of the day though , any girl whose even slightly above average probably has options who have confidence and have something going for them. So it’s a losing battle If all that fails just become a solid photographer, all the photographers I know seem to bag the baddest chicks for like the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:22 PM
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Isnt it crazy how will women will have a hard time leaving men who are abusive to them. But boring nice dudes, they can leave without a second thought. Shits wild. And its kind of hard to feel sorry for them, when every other tik tok or song is about girls wanting dangerous bad boys who are aggressive and do what they want. Or yall have pods of girls being like my type is literally dude who look like they might be criminals lol. Only time I make caveats are if you would essentially be homeless i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 09:29 PM
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Yeah when women say they like confidence its 100 percent bullshit. Confidence is built when reality reaffrims what you do. Its not that confident people are more attractive its that attractive people are more confident. And why wouldnt they be confident? They very rarely fail in dating. Shits worked out for them the past 100 times. And even if it doesnt work out this time, it will work time 102. To illustrate the point: One of my buds is one of the most confidents guys i know. Cold approaches re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:39 PM
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To women there is no fate worse than being stuck with a boring guy. You can be destitute and couch surfing but if youre fun as hell as a guy to be around, you have a chance. A boring millionaire, whose married to a woman, is just a divorcee waiting to happen. "Where are alll the good men" they ask, By there criteria for status wealth and looks there literally arent enough of them to go around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:28 PM
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In today market we get both. We know when gender imbalances occur its creates different dating paradigms. When there more men than women. You get stupidly rough competion for a relationship. When there more women than men you get open polygamy. In this market you get both depending on whether you are a HVM or Non HVM. HVM its like anywhere from 20 to 100s or even thousands of girls chasing 1 guy. You get what is essentially open polygamy, Non HVM chasing women the ratio is like 100s to 1. Those …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:24 PM
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Pool boys and bikers are known for their notoriously execptional and upstanding personalities lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:17 PM
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Thats probably what he would. Especially if theyre making high six figures they can afford to. The reason most people marry in their class and education is because A) Women really care about marrying in their class and above. B) Men tend to go with people who are most available to them. Not that men explicitly look for girls in their own class. If theres a way hotter working class girl whose talking to this high figure rich dude best believe, shes beating every kinda of cute lawyer. Case in poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 11:04 PM
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Most studies say women who are childless didn’t do so by choice. it was more of a accident caused by waiting for the right person, and that person either never came or they came after their fertility window closed. Are they happy or not? That’s for them to decide, regardless most wanted to be mothers. If you got some stats that say, the majority of woman dont want to be mothers at all, and/or that the majority of childless women did choose do so on purpose would love to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:24 PM
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Which would definitely imply she cares. I understand many women use dating apps strictly for validation, that being said when they do do that, its normally the free ones. So its probably safe to assume shes serious about it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:36 PM
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That’s not because a ton of woman hate motherhood. That’s because western soceity is making it increasingly unaffordable to have kids. Marry that with women going college more and women have kids later, and since they have them later they have less kids. 80% of women who end up childless didn’t want to be, they just didn’t find the right person at the right time. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/why-being-a-childless-woman-is-rarely-a-simple-case-of-choice-or…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 02:35 PM
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Im not saying they dont exist, but if that were the majority of women's opinion there would be wayyy less people on the planet
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 02:29 PM
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But because they are now half the work force, they have effectively halved the pool of rich men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:44 PM
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This is something patrice o neal talked about. Its easier to have a abundance mindset when you know at any given time you could just get sex. Even if its from an escort. This leads men to be less thirsty and more selective when choosing women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 06:01 PM
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The irony being that since women only want the best houses though. And there is an ever dwindling supply of affordable houses due to the economy or increasing gender differences in education rates , they don’t even have as much leverage to get the mansion as they think they do. Their options are increasingly becoming. Blow most of their wealth on owning a home and hope nothing goes wrong. That’s if they even qualify. Rent a luxury apartment for a short time, or maybe even have some roommates to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:45 AM
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Its definitely part of it. Domination and power is something women generally find attractive. Seeing a Man physically and mentally dominate another is a turn on for some women. It why serial killers always have secret admirers. Women love dominance even when it comes in fucked up forms. It just appeals to the animal hindbrain like how men like big boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:55 AM
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To quote a famous mexican philosopher. "Porque no los dos"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:49 AM
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Depends how much money you make. The more of an outlier you are at something, the smaller your pool if you expect someone to be equal or greater. Like imagine if Michael Jackson would only date someone who was as musically successful as him. Who does that leave, Beyonce... maybe? Or lets say youre a bodybuilder like Arnold, who has won multiple national competitions, is your pool now only top female body builders. What like all 20 of them. If youre a big outlier in something, by definition you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:00 AM
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This also assume you can afford solid child care. Most people cant even with 2 incomes
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:53 AM
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Yeah, don’t know how you react to that text any other way without venturing into the pushy territory. So advanced text move, if you didn’t really know the guy. Absolutely nothing was learned though. Don’t get me wrong I get why people give answers like this: Ego protection, safety, it’s easier to be vague, it’s not your responsibility to help them. I do think an unintended consequence of using excuses like “spark” or “he was too nice” is that that ambiguity, at a large scale, can ironically lead…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:33 AM
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Lol, that’s a pretty ambiguous answer😂. So I’m not a fan of it. That could be caused by literally a whole host of factors. Personally, I would prefer you state what those things outside of either yours or his control are. This just sounds like a very poetic version of something you might hear at the end of a rom com, just before the main girl leaves her ex and goes to join the new guy😂. How did he end up taking it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:11 AM
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Yep, don’t care. At least that way I know it’s not the fact my game may not have been on point. It was out of my control and hence there wasn’t really shit I could have. I don’t have to waste energy second guessing on things, that I may have indeed done correctly just with the wrong girl. And the girl doesn’t have to waste energy thinking about the proper way to phrase shit so it doesn’t hurt my feelings. Life can be hard and unfair, and there are literally millions of other people i could spend…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:58 PM
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When it comes to rejection, insecure people almost never take it well when you tell them they aren’t good enough. And sugar coating only works on people who want to believe your sugar I prefer direct even if it might be a bit rude, so long as you’re not being violent or dumping shit on me. It’s the best way to learn, and it’s why I always encourage girls who do it. Especially when I don’t like what they say. If a ton of girls thinks my convo is boring, well shit maybe it is. I gotta either work …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:55 PM
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I mean yes if exclusively watch manosphere/red pill adjacent reaction content they do. If you listen to the news or msm, you ll here stories about how women now have to date down. Or that there is a large glut of economically unattractive men, and why aren’t men stepping up. When men on average still make a bit more, just not as much more relative to what they used to. Regardless I don’t think anybody should be roasted for their standards. This game is unfair by design. Wishing everyone the best…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:42 PM
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My post focuses on rejections that are based on what a guy may have done wrong. Hence the honesty can help you improve.Nowadays the boyfriend rejection is ambiguous 50% of the times it mean she does have one. 50% of the time it means she doesn’t and you did or said something that made her uncomfortable. 100% of the time it normally means she’s not interested. While the intentions are clear, the reasons are ambiguous so it wasn’t included as 1 I like given it’s ambiguity. But its def still a go t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:24 PM
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Personally I like blunt, honest, and to the point rejections. As it lets me know exactly why things didnt work out and I dont have to deal with any wishy washy ambiguity like "the sparks werent sparking". I like them so much I will actually thank them for being direct and then leave. Ex: "Hey, I dont find you attractive" "Hey, this convo was boring" "You said/did x that irked/gave me the ick" That being said, I know women would never adopt such an approach for a multitude of reasons as not every…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:22 PM
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I think there are 2 reasons men normally get mad at standards . The first is because they feel like they would be nigh impossible to reach them, for a woman who they dont think could command a guy like that. No one is saying shit if rihanna is like I want a 7 figure or 8 figure dude, granted she doesnt have to say it, she just gets them. Personally, if a women can get and keep her standard, more power to her. If she cant, she will either lower them or die alone. At that point of realization it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:08 PM
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Basically any cool male spaces women do eventually end up going into once it reaches a certain level of popularity or once a couple cool girls get into the space. Doesnt necessarily mean they'll dominate, but like sewage and construction worker might be the only predominantly spaces where woman dont at least have a foothold
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:41 AM
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People want to abolish double standards, but if men adopted womens height standards, my height or above, give or take like 2 inches. everybody outside of 5ft4-5ft10 is essentially dead on arrival. Same thing would happen with money, or any other trait. Dating only works because we have different things we value between the genders
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 11:03 PM
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Youre probably right, as a ton of average to below average men already dont reproduce
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:48 PM
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I never said she still wants men in their 20s. I just said the men that she liked in her 20's, now who have aged up may not still find her attractive. Women can indeed always go up. Ive seen women in their 40's date men in their 60s and 70s before. Like I said, its never over. I do think it does explain the glut of women in their later 30's and 40's talking about how the dating pool sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:09 PM
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People, for some reason, thinks the wall means a woman stops getting interest entirely. That never happens, ever. There is always a guy willing to put with a woman’s shit. What it really means is the top guys, the guys she really pined for in her 20s or even ones she dismissed, she’s going to have a way harder time getting them to commit as she gets older. She still can probably get sex, but commitment from her best options is going to be harder to come by especially if she doesn’t maintain her …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:23 PM
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If that’s not the point they are trying to prove I am very confused
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:05 AM
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YOOO THAT GO SO DARK, SOO QUICK
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:04 PM
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Birth rate are declining but not evenly. Liberal, Educated, and athetistic households are seeing their birth rates plummet. While more conservative, less educated, religious people's birth rates remain steady. Since politics tend to track with parent ideology its unlikely that will be some massive liberal swing that favors young people in the decades to come. Since the current old people are already pretty conservative, due to having the wealth, and banking on rising home values to finance their…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:57 PM
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SMV is a very single person's way of viewing dating. Once relationships form, tons of other things come into play. Most normal men arent gonna throw away a 10- 15 year relationship with a woman they love and are attracted to, because some cute 25 year old said hey. When stuff like that happens its normally, because the couple stopped having sex a long time ago. They stopped caring about each other. They let the stresses of the world seriously effect their relationship, and then one of them cheat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:36 PM
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I mean this conversation is for people who want relationships. If you see being single as the best option, no one is stopping you. In fact the world is encouraging people to be single Why do you think you aren’t in a relationship currently, if you would enjoy a healthy relationship? The girl above seems to think healthy ones don’t exist. While I disagree with that logic, it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:51 PM
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By definition, having a passport in america already puts you above the average man. The average dude never leaves the country
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:46 PM
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Its possible but it is rare. Normally you can either finesse as man to another country where either your money goes further, or your looks are more appreciated by the culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:45 PM
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No, its not easy period. Even if the man lowers their looks standard to the floor. It still requires effort. I dont know where this belief, that "ugly" girls dont have standards or options come from, but they do. The only time sex is easy to acquire for a man is if he straight up pays for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:42 PM
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I agree with parts of your analysis it just seems silly to me. Lets be real. In the grand scheme of things, most people are extras in the story of human existence. Most people live relatively mundane lives, where they work a regular job, hang out with their regular friends, maybe do a normal ass hobby, and then they die. Why I think OLD is hard on the women's end is that they are bombarded with hundreds of thousands of profiles to choose from. But since most people are pretty fucking similar or …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:38 PM
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Most men cheat in marriages when their emotional or sexual needs arent getting met. Its a select group of men, who can just continually attract younger hotter women than their current wives when they are in their 40's or 50's.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:16 PM
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Lol, tell that to my dad. My mom been benefitting off that emotional equity. He could very easily divorce and marry younger if that was all he cared about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:14 PM
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Well the number 1 factor in divorce is actually financial issues. Infidelity is second but men and women now cheat at the same rates. Even then cheating amongst men is normally caused by dead bedrooms. Not a younger hotter chick just appeared. Which is why the caveat of maintaining that emotional connection was stated. I do find the belief that most if not all men will just abuse women, but billions of people have relationships where that doesn’t happen everyday. Mens default isn’t to abuse wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:03 PM
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That’s what a lot of them do
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:55 PM
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Oh so live a life of singledom, where they are perpetually alone, because you fear that men will leave you and trade up. When In reality it is women who initiate 70% of divorces. That doesn’t make any sense, but hey no one is forcing you to be in a relationship There is no strategy that doesn’t come with risks and trade offs in love
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:49 PM
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Okay, so what is your solution then?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:55 PM
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Exactly, its essentially the male equivalent of when women say things like my boyfriend became more attractive the more I got to known them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:45 PM
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This is very true. Take Kendrick, or J Cole, Steph curry, or Lebron. All of these are men, who if they wanted to, could easily "upgrade" their wives for a younger hotter woman. They don't because they value, the emotional equity their wives have built up. Leonardo is an example of the exact opposite, none of the women have time to build up that equity. If they dont have time to build it up, the only metric they compete on is youth and beauty, and there is almost always a younger hotter woman. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:43 PM
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The post has nothing to do with age gaps, and everything to do with what advantages a women may get from marrying in their mid 20's. You dont have to marry a way older dude. This effect also applies to marrying people around your age as well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:40 PM
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This is an example of the phenomena in psychology known as the endowment effect. Where people value things they "own/had possesion of" more than if they had never had it. Not calling women things, but the effect applies in this scenario. When a man marries a woman young, he gets wife goggles. So even as she ages, and isnt as pretty as younger women, he still views her like she was when they met. That plus all of the emotional equity shes built over the years, offer vast amounts of value that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:26 PM
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Yep, I only thing I would add is learn to adopt dominant behavior and grow your social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:29 PM
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As someone who has all three of those last things. I gotta say its quite effective using all those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:17 PM
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I dont know how youre gonna have a relationship with women if you cant even be friends with them. Might be able to fuck em, but even thats gonna be hard if you cant stand them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:11 PM
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Gonna swerve a bit. Photographer, Bartender and Artist. Photographer: When you're really good a taking pictures of stuff, girls naturally want you to take pictures of them, you can turn that into working with models. And then you work with enough models and you arent ugly, that can get you laid. Bartender: They re normally charismatic good looking and in a position of authority. Plus they serve alcohol and are introduced to a ton of new people every night, most of whom are trying to hook up. Rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:07 PM
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Yeah, the one girl Im talking to right now was because of my female friend. She setup a hangout between a group of her friends who didnt know each other. Me and one of the girls were vibing, but I wasnt 100% sure if it would be worth to shoot my shot. My friend told me that girl was stupidly into, said to DM her now, and gassed me up to her in private. Also simply having women around you helps, because women see "oh that man has other women around him, he cant be a murder". And this will make ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:57 PM
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Tbh the whole proving I don’t want to hit on her part has been pretty easy, just don’t or even explicitly take the first step and friendzone them. Unpartnered is the biggest impediment normally, but even some of them who are partnered are still down to hang out. Extraverted is definitely the most important but it’s definitely a give and take. If you can find events and invite them to go with you, they ll start to do the same. Attraction I don’t consciously consider but I’m sure probably effects …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:06 PM
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This is no true for women. Their personality matters a ton. A 6 whose is perfectly compatible can compete and beat the 8 with an attitude. Especially if she’s willing to pursue consistently This is way less true for men. Status is the ultimate afrodisiac
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:53 AM
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With men who find them attractive. Regular men find regular to below average girls attractive all the time. To them, that girl is a 8-10.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:51 AM
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There are two types of men. Guys who know their league. And guys who are about to keep failing until they know their league
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:50 AM
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Lol 40% of women are obese and 70% are overweight. If you’re just normal body weight and take decent care of your self, I guarantee there’s probably a dude who will want to make you his girlfriend, unless you’re mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:47 AM
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Yo it’s crazy seeing a woman trying to explain to another woman why she’s depressed, when she’s not. Women can be happy as housewives fam. After all wasn’t the goal of feminism to give women the choice to do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:45 AM
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https://youtube.com/shorts/Yv3TPi2ENo8?feature=share There’s one that goes more in depth can’t find it. Essentially male model, with no status had a 22.5 % match rate. But no matter how bad it got for girls their like rate was 50%. I can’t guarantee any of those men will wanna date you, same as if a man gets like. The difference is you gotta get matches to even find a partner. And women just get way more. Which makes sense there’s like a 3 to 1 male to female ratio on most apps some are even wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:42 AM
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I think the larger issue is most people don’t even really have friends. So especially if you’re not already apart of some community you can easily tap into, it can become hard
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:28 AM
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A lot of the guys women find attractive tend to be avoidant types, cause of the dark triad traits. Avoidant types often dont want to be in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 01:42 AM
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Like Cardi B once said, " Hoes dont get cold" until they do. Then they need your jacket. But honestly I think its just cause jackets can ruin the fits
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 01:12 AM
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Yeah, female friends in my opinion have been better at keeping touch than a lot of my male friends. Constantly invite me to stuff, and introduce you to other girls as well, which makes the whole dating things like 10x easier
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 01:09 AM
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Yeah but that threshold definitely varies for certain races. I see how my indian and asian bros struggle and that shit rough
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:38 AM
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Its a 2 way street. So women as a whole are way more likely to give men they find generally attractive. And while there can be some variance in type, most women given a niche find the same type of man attractive. On top of that we know that women also find men more attractive when they see other women find those men attractive. Which explains the phenomena of men getting hit on more when they have girlfriends or when they wear their wedding ring. Think about it like a company thats looking for e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:49 PM
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True, because the difference between the men who get girls and men who dont is massive. Once you reach a certain combo of looks, status, money, you are literally spoiled for options. Before then though, youre maybe gonna be able to get a couple of girls to like you mostly based on personality or other things. Dating for a man is very winner take most
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:43 PM
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Well I mean you could move where ever you want then. The point being that there would just straight up be more of them there than there would be in America. So I don’t see the advantage america would have for them, other than cultural similarity and diversity. But they hate the culture which is why they leave. So the only really advantage america has is that you can find all different types of girls in one place. That’s about it when you think about it from their perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:14 AM
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Yeah, I mean aesthetically there’s probably another place in the world for whatever they want. So I don’t think there is anywhere that wouldn’t be covered If you like white girls: Easter Europe If you like black girls: Africa If you like Latinas: South America If you like Asian girls: china, Japan, Philippines So I don’t think they have to settle looks wise because all of those parts of the world have places where their currency would go further and girls would be more traditional. Also all of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:06 AM
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From the videos they post, relative to what they could get in America its not even close a lot of the time. Like, could you find an equivalently bad bitch in certain parts of america ,yes. Would you have to pay an arm and a leg to do it, also yes. Where as there, they come to you according to them. Although I know peoples tastes will vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:48 AM
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Lol okay. So im assuming you only date trad/conservative men then. Or are quasi celibate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:09 AM
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I think the idea is, if most women are going to want them for their money, might as well go somewhere where their money goes farther, the women they date will be way hotter, and they are far more likely to perform the traditional roles they want anyway. Makes perfect sense to me why they do it, even if they learn its transactional
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:07 AM
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Does it matter? Does it really matter at the end of the day. Both parties care about relatively superficial things. If you excel on those things you do well, if you dont your gonna have a harder time. End of story. I dont see a need to compete on who is more
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:59 AM
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Ahh a fellow engineer. Yeah you really gotta make sure you work on the posterior chain a ton. That outstretched arm position/ constant forward head position can f you up. Ngl, the best things I ever did was just talking to strangers and befriending a ton of girls. Because then those girls would introduce me to other girls and take you to parties . And girls are way better wingmen than other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:56 AM
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Cause you need to have muscles too. If youre too lanky thats "weird". I know that the taller you get the longer it takes to put on muscles and fill out your frame, but thats what they want. You could also have bad posture but i cant see you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:51 AM
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So birth rates are declining but not evenly. The poor the religious and the undeducated brith rates are remaining stable. The highly educated, atheist, wealth birth rates are dropping like rocks. So we will probably just reach some equillibrium where the remaining super conservative people have enough kids to sustain the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:33 AM
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Wouldnt the point still be that your life would probably still be infinitely easier and cheaper having someone else to divide bills with and have consistent sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:27 AM
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Yeah that low self esteem can get girls into a lot of trouble. They also probably have way higher testosterone levels then normal dudes, so women probs find that sexy about them subconsciously
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:14 PM
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Because there kind of is none. What often make women attracted to men is the imbalance of power in the first place. Its that he's older, or richer, or better looking, or more well connected, or in a position of authority over them. The list goes on and on. But the main reason why it will never truly be solved is because women inherently seek out men where there is a power imbalance. Its an attraction trigger. Its very hard to change attraction triggers as they are often genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:13 PM
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While I am sorry for your friend, it is crazy how easy men with prior domestic violence charges find it to find women who will date them. Like honestly insane lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:09 PM
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Most men don’t get the opportunity to showcase those traits because they are eliminated before they even get to the date. How are you gonna see how he treats his family when you’ve already swiped left on him for some other reason? Imagine you’re on a dating app you’re getting hundreds or even thousands of likes. Are you gonna comb through every guys profile to check for clues if they’re good with kids. Clues that might not even be valid all the time. You already have like a 1000 likes, why give …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:07 PM
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Its always weird how women dont realize the numerous ways in which they reinforce the patriarchy through sexual selection. W: "Men shouldnt be defined by their utility to soceity" Also w: "Mostly go for rich guys who have status W: " I want equal partnership in my relationship and power imbalances are wrong" Also W: Mostly goes for men who are better then them in numerous ways. W: "Toxic Masculinity causes men to be controlling" Also W: "I Love a guy who is dominant, tell me what to do in the be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:33 PM
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I disagree about the men who are good fathers being able to date up. I don’t think they can because all of those valuable traits are ones you would only realistically see years into a relationship. Money, looks , status you can see those pretty quickly when getting to know. A guy. That he would be a great father who does half the housework, even when kids are around. That’s gonna take years to know, and normally marriage and a kid. Which at that point it’s not a value add for dating up, maybe ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:19 PM
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Lol so 50% of dudes should chase 15% of the women. And we know the absolute number on most dating apps are 3 men to 1 women. So really this ratio is more like 1.5 men to .15 women, or essentially there are 10 short men to every 1 women who would date a short guy. And most who are open to it, can also be taken by tall guys so that ratio is worse. SEEMS EASY FOR THOSE DUDES LOOL
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:06 PM
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It’s Probably, face then height then body then vibe then money
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:01 PM
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Well the dude is paying for a matchmaking service, the women are getting it for free. Any dude who gets on that app is clearly the type of dude who has a lot of money but not much time. I dont think he would be surprised that some of the them are gold diggers, but I asssume they probably think thats the job of their matchmakers to filter
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:39 PM
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The reason why being a bartender can work is 3 reasons: Youre seeing a ton of people and serving alcohol. Most hookups occur under the influence of alcohol, so if youre in an environment with it a ton youre more likely to hookup Bartenders have to talk to tons of people. This naturally leads to you being better at holding convos with strangers than your average person There is a little bit of status that might come from being a bartender. Especially at the right establishment So you put all thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:31 PM
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Lol I told a girl I was talking to I have a height minimum. No girls under 5ft. Mainly because I know how much girls care about it. And I dont want my future son to have to go through a lot of the trouble shorter men do. Im 5ft11, she 5 ft 2. I didnt think it would be a problem since she clears it, and because most girls have height preferences anyway, including her. All her boyfriends have been 5ft11 and up and she has turned down good dudes her were 5ft8 because they were short. Let me tell yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:24 PM
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Lol this. I always tell women about tawkify. Its an app where women can sign up for free, but men need to play 10K to get on. A lot of cute women dont want to get on the app though. Im guessing because they don't want the obvious competition thats gonna come with that app. And the acknowledgment that they may not be able to get those guys
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:17 PM
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Got me thinking its sparkles and rainbows down there now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:53 AM
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Did you go to a top 25 school? Did you major in a field that known to have 6 figure salaries relatively early on in your career? People who do that do well. But we re talking about like 1% of the population here realistically speaking. Like these are not crazy realities for my classmates. It would be for you more average person though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:07 AM
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I mean sure the lawyers, needed to go to grad school. The engineers, real estate, or finance people sure didnt though. They seem to be doing just fine at google and Goldman Sachs without the grad degree. Which isn’t really a aberration if you go to a top 25 school for undergrad, do well and/or are decent networking
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:56 PM
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Most of these women are in their mid 20's. A handful are early 20's and a handful are late 20's. All are from elite schools. Very few of them have graduate degrees, but those are a bit less necessary when you go to a really good under grad
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:39 PM
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Im just saying who my friends are telling me they date. None of these women are broke by any means. Theyre all lawyers, engineer, or working in finance or real estate, or the government in relatively important positions. They say they want men on their level of finance and maturity so alot of them date quite a bit older. That seem to be who they tell me theyre going for anyway. I think acting like its some incredibly rare thing that never happens, is disingenuous. There can both be a subsect of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:33 PM
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As someone whose friends with a lot of said young women, many are fine dating an old successful 30 or even 40 yr old. More than often very attractive ones, to where if that man has taken care of himself, he will have little issue
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:21 PM
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Yeah, but there is still a status attached to certain jobs because of societal connotation. The most extreme example of this is the man who makes 300k as a garbage man vs a man making like 150 as a doctor. Sure the garbage man makes more but the doctor has a ton of social status conferred on to them by way of attitudes about the job. So the doctor probably does way better. Most women don’t think about salaries alone without factoring in status or how that money was made. Otherwise a lot more wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:10 PM
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Because if a women went to college, there’s a ton of social stigma attached with dating the construction worker or plumber, that just doesn’t exist with the professor
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:02 PM
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If you look really good , good enough to get dates and have strong interest but your convo is dry. No sex for you. If you look kinda good, good enough to get dates, but your game is top notch lays will occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:01 PM
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It’s weird because what we have now is actually insane gender imbalances but it’s stratified due to hypergamy. College educated women competing for hot college educated guy, there’s a massive men to women imbalance. Which is what promotes hook up culture among high status men, there’s like 3 women for every 1 of these type of dudes . For average guys competing for even average girls, the ratio is dozens of men in her in box to your 1 girl. Hence the raising of the standards for what is required …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:56 PM
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I think average dude would probably be in awe about just how wildly different women treat chad. How much nicer they are, how much less shit they take, how much easier it is hook up, how many people vie for their time. And much more Chad it depends. If chad had to become a chad, especially lookswise, he’s probably just sad he’s back not surprised about anything though. If he’s been good looking all his life, he’s prob gonna be surprised when his basic ass game don’t work
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:52 PM
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We wont though because most countries are already suffering a massive population decline issue. Ai girlfriends done well, would exacerbate this issue even more. Also there are many feminists who believe all that will change will be that men act out their more fucked up fantasies on this doll. And then transfer it to real women. I think the former is more likely than the latter but only time will tell
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:59 PM
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Im like where are all these college men with 30K monthly allowances. Cause I went to school with some of them and they're not that many of those dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:25 AM
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Hey we re all for people putting in work to improve their lives here, so I’m glad it paid off you. I So since he’s not in tech is he someone who just throws events and conferences in general? I’m curious about the type of person who hosts tech events for a living but doesn’t work in the space.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:44 AM
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Its not seen as prestigious because a lot of people mains association with engineers are that dude who was that nerd in high school, Sillicon Valley, Elon Musk, and mark Zuckerburg. Not exactly people who your average chick would consider sex symbols. I mean MAYBE STEVE JOBS. But again these are all business facing front men, for the company not even the actual engineers. And even then none are particularly attractive. So you're correct automatic negative points assigned to you, even if youre no…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:38 AM
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Because there are a lot of women who view coffee dates as low investment. Normally they are specifically designed to be that way though. Because normally theyre first dates. So if you dont like each other that much, you can leave easily. Whereas a dinner puts a lot of pressure on both parties, from the onset. But hey to each their own
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:23 AM
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Yeah the downside for ladies is, theyre often not that great looking or not very socially calibrated. In fact I believe there was a Ted talk which stated, more money almost always made men seem more attractive and the only profession where that was not the case was engineer, where the inverse was true. I presume because the best engineers also a lot times tend to be the least socially calibrated people. Thats not everyone in tech though, I know a good amount of attractive socially calibrated one…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:10 AM
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Congrats to you for being able to do that but you must realize the uniqueness of the position you were in. You work in tech, most of the people you work with make really good money. It made access to those type of men easy. Access, especially outside of the context of an app, makes the game easier for everyone , women included. And in a field heavily dominated by men, there's way less competition. This is not most women's reality if we're being honest. Also tech workers tend to be on the nerdier…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:59 AM
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I don’t really have trouble dating. I’m chilling 😂. Just like analyzing me some trends. I don’t fault women for opting out of dating or going for the best they can get and not wanting to date down. It makes sense. The game is the game. It’s one of the most discriminating things we do that is culturally accepted, almost by design it’s not inclusive at all.If a guy and or girl can bag someone, more power to them. If you’re unhappy there’s only ever really 5 options, you can improve, move, lower yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 12:28 AM
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I agree. There is but when you want to analyze general trends, it’s hard to factor in those things like personality compatibility. Also, the reason we stick to the big 3 is because those are the big 3 filters most men can’t get passed. For most women dating, is like trying to find the best applicant in a sea of applications. When you are overwhelmed by a large number of choice , you have to start to resort to things like heuristics. And those heuristics often form the filters through which most …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:23 PM
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Lol I know dude. I get it. I am a man. Its just reality. I dont see them changing. For many women, especially those of the educated kind, it may legitimately be a better decision for them to be alone. Like emotionally and socially a better choice for them to be alone. Its hard to get people to make changes especially if there is no obvious value add to their life. If they want sex tinder. If they want kids IVF or adoption. If they want protection, a gun or police. And other women can provide gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:44 PM
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Yeah and I hear the test gets harder as you go on. It would be a tough question for any parents, even if they were generally aligned politically. So having to make a decision like that, where in all likely hood at least one partner is gonna be very disappointed it tough
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:32 PM
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If we're being honest 45% of women will be single because there simply are just not enough men on their "level" to go around. Theres twice as many college educated women as there are men. So even if all of those college educated men were attractive enough for all of the women, and all of the men only married college educated women, half of those women would still either have to date down or be alone. We can talk about femininty and other things all we want, and it does play a role. But this is j…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:10 PM
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Those are the main breaking points. I have many working relationships with people I ardently disagree with politically. I dont think I could seriously do that when it came to raising a child though, our values have to align there
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:04 PM
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Yeah it really depends on how much you let your politics dictate the people you associate with. And how far apart they are, because at a certain point that will cause major difference in how you think a child can be raised. I imagine it like an AP Ethics question scenario AP Ethics Question 1: If little Timmy wants to get a sex change as a high schooler but needs his parents approval. His mom is a lefist and his dad is a far right trumper, what will be the outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:03 PM
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Yeah if this were actually the case, which I dont think it is, once male creators came into the space it would adjust form a equillibrium similar to male and female pornstars. Top men make like 100-150K, unless theyre masters and branding like a johnny sins. Top women make millions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:55 PM
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Male pornstars is already a good proxy for this. The best male pornstars can make maybe 100k -150k, thats if they do incredibly aggressive and gay porn. The best female actors can make millions. Theres just a gap in demand it aint that deep
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:53 PM
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Yep Ive had women tell me, a guy they just matched with on tinder told them to come over immediately and they did. Mostly because the guy was hot af to her. If she is willing to play waiting games for multiple dates, it means shes not afraid of losing you at all, and it means she is not that rabidly turned on. Long waiting periods attract 2 types of men. Men who have other options they can hook up with, so they dont care, they will play the waiting game and if you havent built actual value dip w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:59 PM
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Chad is every womans type. For the rest of us normal dudes though, if you aint in here looks niche your chances are not that deep
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:52 PM
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Oh so what exactly is the ideal feminist lifestyle for women approaching their 40's and 50's, and do they have any role models to emulate? Are there any arent married or who dont have kids? I
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:17 PM
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Being shamed at 28 for wanting to start a family is wild. When do these women think the appropriate time to start a family would be? Especially since if we're talking about relationships that lead to marriage, you normally have to add at least 3-4 years to your current age. As that will be the age you will be when you finally get married, assuming you met the man of your dreams today.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:14 PM
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Yep, men are far more likely to base their skill level off of the average of women they can attract. Like if a man hooks up with Rihanna one time at a party, hes not gonna all of a sudden think hes a 10, unless he precedes to continually knock down baddies after that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:11 PM
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By natures design it almost has to be unfair. Like lets say we could get a perfectly economically equal society. Women and men would just discriminate on looks, and if hypergamy is to believe men who didnt clear a certain looks threshold would probably be done. Aint nothing fair about this game. In fact i would argue its the most unfair thing we do
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:09 PM
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I never fault a woman for their "standards". I dont know what you can get and keep. That being said if you cant consistently date or meet people who meet your standards, you dont have a standard you have a wish list. Beyonce says she only dates 7-8 figure men, no one bats an eye. Your average girl down the street, its like well, good luck to you. ​ The only women I really truly feel bad for in this game, are the ones who are unaware of how it works and never really had mentorship. And the truly …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:06 PM
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Thats straight fax. Which mean as more and more women go to college than men, and more and more women dont want to have kids, the problems we see today will only exacerbate without intervention. Because womens standards of living without men will rise significantly, mens will stagnate or get worse. Now the options for women are compete for the super rich educated man, who can actually improve your life, you know all 10 of the tall ones. Be alone. Or date a man who might objectively make her life…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:52 PM
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Yeah thats why I worry for society as whole. At the end of the day life is about the human connection we create. And how those connections effect both parties. Making more money to afford the new birkin bag, or gucci shoes is not going to bring actual satisfaction
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:47 PM
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I mean that all makes sense. And probably explains why half of all women will be single by 2030 at the rate we're going. It will be interesting to see how culture changes. Before everyone wanted to get married faster because, often times being unmarried past 33 meant you didnt really have friends. Or your friends were busy with their lives husbands and kids. So you might want to become a mom if for nothing else, than to not face the childless husbandless ostracization that might occur. But now i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:41 PM
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Yeah, women say men never settle. Men settle all the time. With girls who are less attractive than the most attractive girl he can get. She might be cooler or nicer or have more money or be a better mom or just less of a headache. But if we're strictly talking looks, men definitely settle. They just dont complain as much about it. Theyre cool with someone who meets 80% their needs vs needing 100% to be satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:34 PM
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I disagree. Before the standard for a tall man used to be like 5ft6. Due to sexual selection and better food, the average is now 5 ft 9 and the ideal to be considered tall is 6ft. If youre theory were true, women should be okay with any man above 5 ft 6 today. But standards change, once something becomes the new average its no longer attractive, its "just the bare minimum". Even look at America, if you live in america simply by proxy of doing that you are already in the top.1% of wealthiest peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:32 PM
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Yeah its why so many of the things that physically turn women on have to do with dominance and/or aggression. The more dominant the man, the more likely he would have been to be able to protect you from other scary men and threats. So height, muscles, resources, status are all just proxies for that, and normally the things that trigger physical attraction. The core tenet of every trade off a woman makes is, do I want to feel safe knowing he will stay and not kill me(comfort)? or do I want to cat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 08:46 PM
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Yeah if anything the red pill actually gives women a pass for the way they are. Its just hey this is general female nature. Do with it what you will. Red pill rage comes from the fact, that women or society will often just straight up lie to men about what women find attractive in men. That rage comes from finding out the truth and feeling betrayed. Society/girls will espouse messages like "height doesnt matter", "looks arent important for men", "Love conquers all", "I dont care about a guys mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:47 PM
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Most of those reasons being financial reasons or infidelity. Two things the current dating trends are doing absolutely nothing to resolve. More and more women, especially as they go to college are saying the men who are left that I can date dont improve my life enough for me to want to marry them so I'll stay single. With apps galore, and wealth inequality about to take another massive leap with AI making a college degree even more necessary, I don't see any genuine reason to think this trend wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:35 PM
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I think it depends where and how you meet them. White dudes often have to overcome the stigma of being racist and or lame. And that definitely hurts them. But once the girls sure you’re not racist and if you have even a little bit and I do mean an ounce of swag, youre normally in. Black guys on the other hand, especially among educated black women, seemed to be held to some unspoken level of masculinity they have to display. And if not it’s auto reject for days
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:07 PM
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I have always said this is the solution. You need to limit men to have like 3 or maybe 5 likes a day. And let women have as many as they want. Naturally what will happen is it will force men to be more selective in who they actually like. Women will then get far fewer matches, but they will probably actually be more looks matched to what they can actually obtain. And they deal with way less messages, so better convos can actually occur. Hopefully leading to better dates. The system we have now t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:38 PM
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Lol as a black man its so weird with black women. Most of the time they give very little attention in person. White girls will straight up approach me in the gym. Latina and asian girls show me love or at least signals. Black girls crickets in terms of IOIS. Online though, if they like you, literally some of the easiest people to convert from text to date ever. Its a very weird dichotomy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:14 PM
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Damn how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:51 PM
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Yeah, this girl im talking to said she had been celibate for a year. Shes cute, definitely cute enough to easily get a boyfriend. But after talking to her more, it was really that she has high standards, unresolved trust issues, and doesnt really put her self out there at all. She's not on any apps, doesn't really want a relationship or kids and likes to take thing slow with non-committance, prefers to meet men through friends but barely has time for them due to her job. And then she tells me I …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:49 PM
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regardless marriage rates are on the decline in general
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:35 PM
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Yeah they’re a lot of people with faces, deformities, or psychological problem who are just never going to find love. There is a reason why historically speaking only 40% of guys reproduced and it’s not because mating is a meritocracy. It’s quite literally the most discrimination heavy thing we collectively do today
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:55 PM
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Love won’t pay for Timmy’s private school, healthcare, and soccer practice. It shouldn’t but it always will
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:52 PM
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Okay. You are literally the definition of the exceptions to all of the general trends. Immigrant marriage rates tend to be higher in general, throw in the need for a visa and that shit rises way more Being religious makes you way more likely to want marriage, but religious participation rates have been in decline across the country This is literally the only one that doesn’t have a direct trend going against it but you could argue the possibility and prevalence of divorce makes those added benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:49 PM
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Yeah I actually don’t know why redpillers would down vote this. It’s reality and it fits in with their already hypergamous view of women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:45 PM
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This is not true. The wage gaps is primarily a gap between mothers and non mothers. Once you exclude mothers, women in most major cities are out earning men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:44 PM
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The Concierge don’t like to disclose names especially when it comes to things like this. I assume so because he said the women didn’t look like escorts but were all fire. And the is a man is a multi millionaire in his 40s. But there’s a possibility he could just be paying a ton of different escorts. I ll ask next time I see my guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:41 PM
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These are some of the stories they've told me, but I have no doubt theres more. Remember these are just the things they know about for a fact: We're talking men who would send their wives away for a vacation week, and immediately bring baddie after baddie to the apartment and bribe the doormen not to tell. We're talking old men in their 60's marrying women in their mid 20's. And then those women cheating on those men, while hes away. We're talking the wives of rich men paying for personal traine…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:07 PM
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Marriage rate should primarily continue to fall. The main benefit to woman's life that most men provide long term is monetary. So as the education gap widen ,its already at 2 to 1 for women to men, and the wealth gap explodes, thanks to Ai dominance, we are going to see the dating market become even more bimodal. Women will have to choose between competing for /sharing the well educated guys with money, the guy who isn't doing that well at all and may actually detract from her happiness but is l…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 03:56 PM
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I would have to disagree. Most of the women I know in my life ,who are dating for marriage, are dating older men. We're talking women in their 20's dating men in their 30's/40's. And most of the time they will admit that to some degree it is because the man "has his shit together" more than the younger options available. And normally it just means he has money, and will spend it on her. The emotional availability / housework argument never made sense to me. If you look at the rates of men who go…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 03:37 PM
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For certain guys the match rate is 0. There aint no lower to go fam. Its a sad place to be, but men do experience it. Its why historically speaking only 40% of men actually reproduced compared to womens 80% because the bottom for certain men is incredibly real
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:36 PM
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But guys with options, have options. So, if you don’t give relatively quickly he will go somewhere else. Or he will wait while he screws other girls, and you gotta hope you’re doing something better than those other girls that isn’t sex. But if you were doing something that wasn’t sex better than those other girls, then you wouldn’t have to withhold sex in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:27 PM
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Yeah that is the one thing that will annoy me about feminists. They will preach about destroying gender norms, and how patriarchy confines us to a box. Then you ask who they date, and its normally the tall good looking stoic successful dude , who makes a lot of money. Because a lot of that shit is unfortunately ingrained in us through evolution. Women often underestimate the numerous way in which they tacitly reinforce the patriarchy. Like if today they all decided, house husbands who do most of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:45 PM
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Yeah I dont know why they dont consider that if a man has equal or better options he will eventually just go to those instead. Or he will sleep around with lesser options, while he waits for you. One things for sure though, if the man has options, hes not just sitting on his fingers waiting for your approval. It may feel that way but trust he's probably shopping around
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:27 PM
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I would say the mans equivalent is literally withholding commitment and attention and money. Men who give away attention and commitment to easily without adequate reciprocation are called simps. Theyre called men in the friend zone. Theyre called lames. Men are not necessarily worthy of a commitment simply because a woman sleeps with them fast. However normally speaking, women tend to sleep faster with men they would at least visually want to commit to. I know there is the case where women will …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:24 PM
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Yeah theres differences, but like once a certain threshold of sexual compatiblity has been met, how much more marginal value in the physical is it actually providing you. Especially compared to another girl who is like slightly worse but offers value in a ton of different areas. I think a lot of the higher levels of sexual satisifaction comes from the mental and the exploration aspects. But thats more personality, than pure physical. Add to that that most dudes over time are gonna adjust to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:15 PM
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I said you have to find some way in which you offer value in a mans life. If those things arent your jazz, find others way that you like doing that will help him. At the end of the day humans dont normally maintain relationships with people that dont offer either some intrisinic or extrinisic benefit to them. And if sex the main thing you do that not a sustainble strategy. Unless its mind-blowing, and you can keep the same dopamine high you got from the beginning going for 30 years. Most women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:06 PM
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Lol I don’t know you know but yeah sure as long as you actually match the values the guy is looking for. And then isn’t a big difference in attraction level
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 11:23 PM
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You have to offer value to that man in ways that other women cant easily replace, and do it specifically outside of the context of sex. Might be cooking, might be cleaning, might be helping with his business/work, might be an untold list of things. What that is depends on what that man values highly. If you can do that, I dont think it matters that much if you sleep with him on the 1st, 5th, or 10th date. He will come back. A lot of women use witholding sex to artificially create value. This how…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 11:06 PM
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If youre moderately rich and still attractive I think you 'll do fine. The real divide that most normal people should pay attention to is college education gender ratios. Thats whats gonna cause the divide, as our world requires increasingly more complex ways of thinking in order to operate in jobs in the higher class Women will shoot for the moon in a harem situation. We're talking celebrities or multimillionaires. If they just want a boyfriend who makes them look cool, that is still relatively…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:20 PM
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As someone who lives in quite a wealth building, and hears gossip from the the concierge, they already do. This is only a surprise for men, women been knew the deal. They just dont like admitting it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:08 PM
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Yep, thats how we end up in the scenario where we have 50 and 60 year old woman who can still match with average to cute 20 something yr old men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:45 PM
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Women use it. Its just because they receive so many messages, they got off it faster than most men do. A women can pile up hundreds of matches in a week, get the numbers for the guys shes interested in and not have to go back on for a couple months. For men to do that kind of volume, they either need to be really hot or need a lot of time. Hence there will always be a way higher proportion of men on any given site at any given time then women. This holds true for basically all apps that dont req…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:44 PM
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I believe theyre talking about relationships as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:06 PM
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I mean I’ve been getting interest at 27. It’s just I see so many ways I could improve still. So assuming it got no better I would be fine, but that is unlikely. It’s just reassuring to know I do have time mostly on my side
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:44 AM
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The dickamine carousel
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 09:34 PM
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I mean if the dude youre talking about has options, then yes hes going to be restrictive on age. If he doesnt, he will take the relationship with the 35 yr old woman. No dude is turning down an attractive 35 yr old, unless he has better options. The average male experience online is one where you might get 1 non-bot, non onlyfans scam match every lets say 3-4 weeks. They are just not in the position to turn down a mid 30's lady if theyre attractive, even if it includes a relationship. The ones w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:00 PM
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Yeah my mum is british as well, and paid her share when my dad and her dated. I think this might be a uniquely american phenomena. Or just a phenomena of countries that have massive income inequality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 11:45 PM
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Oh are you not in america. Those stats are based on american men. If you arent in the US, those numbers could be massively different. Genes play a huge role in things. It would change the fact that your face got leaner but everything else would still matter
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:40 PM
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Alright well you got a lucky ass cohort of friends then lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:25 PM
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Yeah all of your friends are an anomaly or using old photos more likely. 50% have experienced hair loss at that age. And 85% will have by 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:07 PM
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Yeah I've always thought this was a lame excuse. As if men have absolutely no expectation of how to dress, or of who they should be just to get the date in the first place. ,Cause using this logic, if a man has like a 250k AP watch, does that mean youre paying because he clearly outspent you in terms of money on fits. if he pays for a really fancy gym membership, does that mean you have to pay. Or if we really wanna get crazy what about his masters degree. We know there's a far higher expectatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:09 PM
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This guy gets it. Once it becomes the expectation that all men must pay to date. You dont learn that much info. You do however get a free meal, so thats fun i supposed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:00 PM
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Nah men who insist on paying for everything are far more likely to have that mindset on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:58 PM
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Yeah, I think most of the people who hate game, think all of game is negging. Which can definitely work depending on both the context of how it is used, and the severity
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:06 PM
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This is just not true. Even if a girls likes you from a cursory inspection, what if once she gets to know you, you arent as interesting as the picture she had of you in her mind. I see this happen all the time with guys. Or lets say you get her at first, but then once you have you slowly start to slip and become needy af for her validation. These are both very common mistakes a lot of guys make
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:04 PM
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Yeah thats kind of the dirty secret of the women date up. They do, they definitely do. Its just normally with the older guys who have really gotten their shit together
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 03:32 PM
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Lol you taking this way too serious fam.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:02 AM
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Yeah people who say shit like attraction is 100 percent subjective, have either never read any of the research on attraction or have been attractive/average their entire lives with little change in perceived attractiveness. So they dont know how massive a difference the halo effect can play on peoples perceptions of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:47 AM
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lol what the does "feel entitled to appeal to them" even mean? I also find it funny how you act like women dont try to be more generally attractive. Like they wont start going to the gym after their boyfriend broke up with them to get back at him. Or do her makeup more attentively, when going outside in general. Or get their hair and nails done better when they are single. Or go on diets. Or buy better clothes. Or get bbls, boob implants, and other surgeries. Or even wear lipstick, high heels, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:42 AM
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To make A, singular woman attracted maybe, but to raise your attraction amongst women overall there are. And that has been proven, in numerous ways. For example the shoulder to waist ratio women find the most attractive is 1.6 to 1. You can incorporate more pullups, lat raises, and cardio into your workout to get a phsique closer to that ratio. Boom you just became generally more attractive. Wide shoulder s might not be your specific thing, but overall the man just became more objectively attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:23 AM
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What was he studying? Also what were you when you met him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 11:15 PM
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Other way around happens. You gotta look good though. Or have exceptional dick game and talk. Or you gotta have status but be broke
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 11:11 PM
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Yeah, that’s what I’ve noticed anyway. To be fair to the commenter above, she meant men in their mid to late 20s could benefit from dating women in their early to mid 30s. But if a man is struggling on these apps, they already have the sliders set from 18-36. So it’s not like they’re filtering out older women, who are still youthful anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 09:28 PM
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Lol okay I agree then. I just don’t think there’s this large swath of men who are , both attractive to women in their early 30s, but unttractive to women in their 20s, who are unwilling to date slightly older. Normally there are two types of guys, type 1 gets love from both groups. Type 2 struggles with both groups, unless he’s really good at the provisioning and emotional aspect of a relationship and can display that. Then I could see a world where older women might appreciate him more than you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:57 PM
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Lol I don’t know who you’re talking to,but if you’re really conservative like that I’m surprised you arent more involved in religious organizations. You can always change your location, there are tons of more conservative parts in the country where that is not the case. And if america doesn’t suffice try literally any of the more conservative countries. I’ll be honest though I am a liberal, so It is easier in some regards. But most everyone I know who is married at my age comes from a more conse…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:32 PM
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Its because your value relative to your peers increased. At 20 if you're bald, that a real detriment because most guys that age have a full head of hair. Girls are more into the pretty boys with long hair. At 40, almost everyone in your age group is balding or bald, so it matters less. Plus now you can seem more mature and distinguished. Plus as we age naturally tend to lose fat from our faces, regardless of exercise or diet. Its why older people have a bit more of a gaunt look. Bald head + chub…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:21 PM
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I dont know where you live but you should definitely move. I know my friend was an average well educated dude in his mid 20s in nowhere,michigan and his standards literally became doesnt have kids, finished high school, and has all her teeth. He often only got 2. If its that bad please for the love of god move. If you havent put in effort to change, or arent at least willing to you point is less valid. You are right it doesnt get better if you change nothing, I'd argue it only gets worse. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:15 PM
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Damn, well being older help to some degree. What would you say your draw is then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:58 PM
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Youre also probably likely to be more attractive one in those kind of relationships. If a women thinks youre very sexually attractive, she will pay/invest in you. Doesnt normally happen with looks matched couples, unless the girl is pretty liberal or the girls sees great potential in you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:48 PM
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But true
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:44 PM
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Have you been putting in work, in all aspects of your life. I agree if you haven’t done much, then yes all you are now at 27 is out of college and uglier. So it should be hard. If you’ve put in work or are putting in work it definitely does get easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:19 PM
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Lol cause women can definitely date if they're broke. In some cases its actually a bad financial move not to date, as tons of men would willingly pay for your meals and things of the like. That's just one of those privileges of being a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:10 PM
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Im not saying keep doing the same thing, but pitching dating women in their 40's and 50's to men in their 20's is not a viable solution for most. Because the further down in age a women has to go, the more the relationship becomes about wanting something casual. The more its about wanting something casual the hotter the guy has to be. And because male thirst is stupidly high, even old women are still getting swamped by above average guys. You could actually argue it might hurt their score, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:54 PM
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As a 27 yr old, the game has gotten easier over time. More money means more fun and experiences. Im in better shape, so everyone is nicer and I get more compliments. Im way better at detecting the small signs girls show when they are interested. My game is more refined from experience. Im starting to dress better, so people are nicer, and im seeing all of my female friends who are in their 20's still want to date guys in their mid 30s to late 40's. So I know I have a stupid amount of time to imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:47 PM
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No they wouldnt. The dude set his age range to 40+ and got nothing. And he got nothing because women at that age, who are willing to date down in age, still want a hot guy, especially if its just for sex. The people who could use this strategy and have it work, are ironically all of the people who would never have to use it in the first place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYv9GEaE1-o&ab_channel=GerbertJohnson
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:10 PM
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Gerbet johnson actually did a video. Hes in his 20's. Set the age to 40's+, still didnt get that any matches really. Meanwhile people here have made profiles with out of shape 60's women, and still got hot young men in their 20's messaging them. ​ There is no arbitrage for young men to take advantage of outside of passport broing. There is almost no age at which a woman cant find sex from a reasonably attractive dude. Commitment from the men she wants sure, maybe even sex from top tier dudes, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:07 PM
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By design, environment has a massive impact on people's personality and status. The CEO, who was running shit at home, is now a beta compared to hunter when put in the forest. Serena williams put on the court with other top male professionals is getting her ass kicked.The basketball pro, is getting his ass wrecked in rocket league by some 15 year old e-champion. Personalities and status are incredibly context dependent, to point where its almost laughable to think that theyre not. It just seems …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:59 PM
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But if hes in a social circle or common group, its does assuage a lot of fears. Also there are definitely women, who will see other women like a man and then change her mind about how they feel about him
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:53 PM
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I suppose theyre tired of being looked down to
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:49 PM
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while everything you said is true, wouldn’t it give women more reason to pick the tallest guy they can find. Because they know their shortness can be balanced out by finding an equally as tall person
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:37 AM
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Ugly women normally just date/marry ugly men when theyre done chasing hot guys. Or they get less ugly or they die alone. But statistically speaking its the first option because 80% of woman have reproduced through history, compared to 40% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:51 AM
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I think he's saying theres a big range between deadweight and wanting a 6ft 4, 250K+ in virginia, masters degree, no vices, muscular, very attractive man whose from a good family, , and entirely devoted you. (real standards from an acquaintance who is average, and shockingly struggles to even find a date in her 20s with the age pref set to 30s-40s ). At the end of the day, you can have whatever standard you want. Standards are only too high if you cant consistently get what you are asking for. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:37 AM
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The self improvement messages are helpful. One thing i want to stress is that it should never ever feel like you have to put on an entirely new character. You dont have to be cold and unfeeling. You should be measured in your responses, but you dont have to be cold and unfeeling. I think we often think our personalities are set in stone but they're actually pretty malleable, and given the right circumstance and people you can choose what parts of your personality you want to highlight with enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:56 AM
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Some women want to make sure their kids can be D1 basketball players. Is that such a crazy thing to want?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:44 AM
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Lol this is the real trick no one tells you. For some reason, girls need their man to be the leader of the friend group lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:42 AM
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I dont. I have love for the time I share with my boys. And I understand shit isnt gonna be the same as it was back in the day. The fact of the matter is though when it comes to making a concerted effort to maintain relationships, sans an activity, women are better at it and try harder. This is just an area, where we as men can improve. Doesnt mean men are broken
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:28 AM
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I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS AN ACTUAL SUB. IM DEAD
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:45 AM
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First off there are millionaires who purposely take women on cheap dates as a test. Secondly, 100 dollars on a meal to a millionaire is the equivalent of a McDonald’s meal to the regular dude. Thirdly, women are way more likely to be more sexually forward when dealing with someone like that because of the scarcity. So they may not invest financially they are way more likely to invest emotionally and more aggressively. Finally, if the millionaire dude who has tons of options was adamant about thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:02 AM
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We know what it will end with, soft polygamy and population collapse. Its not rocket science. If more and more people are choosing to stay single for longer, family wont form until later. This means less kids, means an every increasing older population that is bigger than the previous. Which will cause strain on social services. And more isolated individuals who sole joy in living is for their 10th trip to jamaica
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:02 PM
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Lol, people are dying of thirst out here. We gotta make sure the people stay hydrated
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:14 PM
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Yeah i would argue this strategy is more important if shes asexual. For a lot of men, they care about having sex in a relationship. Imagine getting like 10 dates in and then is like Im asexual, you have essentially wasted a bunch of time and money if you want that in a relationship. Same with sex until marriage, although that is something a woman should bring up way earlier
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:24 PM
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Yeah some girls got dank info, or similar interests. That being said would men being doing all this extra shit for them, nope
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:15 PM
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From what I’ve experienced normally after 3 dates you can tell if a girl really has a burning desire to be with you or if they’re just feeling you out. His system filters out women who have lukewarm interest and women who only want him for food dates
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:13 PM
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What they’ve found is that when women actually genuinely deeply care about a man they care far less about money being spent and value his time more. In fact those women will often invest in you. So the more you have to pay for her affection, the bigger the sign that she doesn’t actually like you. So this is a smart strategy for men, who often have to pay for everything only for things not to work
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:57 PM
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If men dont date down, how would women realistically be able to date up. They couldnt cause there would be no one to date. So then people could only date across. This problem doesnt really solve anything, and likely leads to even less marriages being formed
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:47 PM
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Lol I dont know where you live and how old you are, none of my female friends are settling for just not fat. They turn down solid dudes(6 figure men) all of the time for numerous reason, sometimes theyre too short, sometimes it money, sometimes its the look, but rest assured the bar is much higher than just like me and dont be fat. ​ Tbf to my female friends, they are either highly educated or making good money, and are all somewhere from cute to top tier cute. But let not kid ourselves the bar …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:40 PM
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Lol this whole post is a water is wet kind of moment. I feel like the more interesting thing to delve into here is that personality is often interpretted through the lens of attraction. So that when people say they like someones personality a lot, there's a really big chance they just interpretted their relatively ordinary personality as favorable because they found them attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:29 PM
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Lol what did this rant have to do with anything 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 02:09 PM
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Girls, on average, ideally want a man who is 8 inches taller than them. Average height of a woman is 5ft4, add 8 to it you get 6ft. Add to that that it’s a new whole number so 6ft subconsciously feels a lot taller than 5ft11 even though it’s only an inch and you have your answer
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:52 PM
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Personality is malleable. I would say of the things that can be transferred it’s actually the easiest and often requires changes in mindset. You can teach someone to be more confident, wittier, dominant, to be better at reading body language given enough time and exposure. You can’t teach 6ft 4 though. Also would need way more context around how you were slaying at 40lbs over weight. We’re you in college, are you particularly tall, were you popular? It’s a multi factorial equation and simply bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:48 AM
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I think in todays day and age the framing of the problem as a wage gap is incorrect. You could frame it as a hiring gap in certain industries, especially tech. You could frame it as a promotions gap, as women often have trouble navigating the upper echelons of companies. You could frame it as sexist attitudes dissauding women from entering certain fields. You could even frame it as a mothers tax, i.e. now almost all of difference is mostly due to lost wages women face when they become mothers an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:56 AM
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You literally can say that. And women literally do say that all the time. And no one has problems
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:41 AM
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First off I don’t know why you keep saying run away like this is scooby doo or something. Secondly I mean did she set that boundary for him. This is in the context of a list their therapist asked both of them to make and send to each other. Where is her list? Did Jonah violate it? If so why didn’t she leak her list for him as well? Thirdly if a girl calmly stated she doesn’t like her man being friends with women where there were little to no physical or emotional boundaries, I would be on her si…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:34 AM
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Well I mean if you can figure it out, then it means it could be taught. Maybe not truly internalized but definitely taught. Otherwise its just innate, in which there aint shit to figure out then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:18 AM
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To me the reasonableness of a boundary is determined by the 2 parties in the relationship. Obviously his boundaries couldnt have been that crazy as he quickly found someone else who was willing to marry him and have his children.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:55 PM
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I literally have female friends who lost male friends, because their new girlfriends didnt feel comfortable with how close said male friends were to their female friends. Most women arent the biggest fans of men being incredibly emotionally intimate with other women. Especially if they are attractive. If a women is constantly telling you that your wardrobe could be better. Or that it needs to grow up or be more mature, or that come your "30 graphic tees are no longer cool", or even goes to the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:34 PM
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Lol sexy librarian will always be a vibe. Although I guess kids are doing less reading and going to libraries less than ever. But I’m sure the archetype will just transition to some similar newer archetype
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:25 PM
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For the job one they could, hey I’m no longer comfortable with you being away for long periods of time because of your job. If you want keep the job I don’t think I can’t stay in the relationship. Which to me is just 2 people whose values no longer match. Especially if they aren’t married I see no problem with them ending or compromising to accommodate each other’s needs. I think it would be controlling or abusive he tried to shame her for past thing she did prior to the relationship. Like if he…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:23 PM
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You are right that this is a phenomena evo psychs have observed. Men who arent on the same level or above their partners, can begin to use cost inflicting measures to try to get them to feel worse about themselves, so they stay. Which paints a very worrying image of the future when women are outdoing men in most socieconomic stats in large margins. And because most women dont like dating down, and because most men dont like feeling significantly below their partner in stature, I could see birth …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:09 PM
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Evolutionarily speaking that makes sense. A man with a woman who tons of men are interested in has to constantly be watching his back for threats. A woman whose with a man who no one else wants, is probably lowering her own status being with him opening her up to all sorts of trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:01 PM
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But looks are the biggest indicator of whether the relationship will even form in the first place. So yes terrible indicator of long term happiness, but great indicator of relationship formation. Most men's problem, especially in this sub is relationship formation, not dang I had the girl I wanted and lost her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:59 PM
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The decision about who to marry and share a life with is literally, the most important decision a human makes, outside of maybe their job. If you wanna travel to a more traditional country for love, do it. This xenophobic urge people have to hate people dating elsewhere seems stupid to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:40 PM
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People can change though. And boundaries can change and evolve over the course of a relationship. You may not know something bothers you until youre in that situation. What if the guy you were dating was calm until 3 years in and youre married and then he starts yelling at you. Are you in the wrong for not enforcing your boundary earlier, or did he just change? Should every relationship start with an extensive handwritten boundary list that covers all future possible changes? Most guys want a ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:21 PM
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Yeah, but I ask again. How are you determining the vice like grip Christian conservatives have on the culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:08 PM
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Half is massively overrepresenting their popularity. Only 21% of the country even identifies as republican. Of that, even less identify as christian conservatives, most of whom are christian in name only. We know this because many of them will have abortions, pre marital sex, etc. Of that, even less are evangelicals. What christian conservatives are, is overrepresented in positions of power in the government and in media. ​ Where are you getting the number to support the claim that half the coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:02 PM
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They may a grip on the legislature, but culturally they have definitely been getting their asses kicked. Religious enrollment and adherence to the tenets of the church, is dropping by most metrics
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:47 PM
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This is not true. Women dictate to men, who they can and cant hang out with as well. Like not wanting or trusting their male partner's female friends, and in certain cases forbidding them from hanging out solo. Suggesting different "better" clothes for their men to wear. Mate guarding is not a uniquely male phenomena
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:41 PM
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But about half of the country lives in big cities. And big city culture often has a way of influencing rural places through media alone
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:37 PM
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This reasoning that people stay exactly the same as they were at the beginning of the relationship has always seem disingenuous to me. People change because of relationships they have. This has always been and will always be the case. Like it would be crazy for a man to say just because I married you doesnt mean I should have to invest in you or the kids. Just because I accepted a job offer, doesnt mean I have to conform to new rules they may propose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:36 PM
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I would venture to say aesthetically speaking its men, because literally every size, shape, and aesthetic of women gets love from someone. Whereas for women, its normally guys with handsome face, and lowish bf whose tall. Might be a pretty boy, might be a really masculine looking dude, but normally they fall into one of those 2 categories or a combo aesthetically speaking. Personality and lifestyle wise its women have far more diverse preferences and its not even close. These evo psychologists d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:55 PM
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Yeah that is what I mean when I say get off
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 03:02 AM
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And if it isnt an equal value exchange, but rather treated as a reward for men paying and providing, why should said man care if women get off as you already got the value you were looking for from sex. I dont believe this, but this is one of the conclusions of this kind of thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 02:16 AM
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Where do you live where a man is taking you to dinner and it only cost like 20 dollars. Its gonna end up running him 40 for you alone, at least in new york.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 02:11 AM
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Lol Thad, that is a new one
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:58 AM
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Ah yes the 1930s a notoriously economically stable time, save for the world wars and the the great depressions. . Regardless using one off examples of nobility, people who have power and connections out the wazoo, is just not gonna yield results comparable to what the average person would expect. Also this study was again correlative, not causal. It’s not a one to one guarantee for that every girl raised in wealth is gonna like femboys, and every girl raised poor need gigachad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:43 PM
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And I think it’s interesting you don’t feel the same about arisu. He also looks like a model outside of the show. In the show, he’s also extremely intelligent. But his emotionally state, is often one of being easily emotionally moved and crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:32 PM
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Lol the classic attraction is objective at lower level say 1-7, but once you eliminate all of the less facially preferred traits and get to 8-10's its pretty subject. Most hot actors clear the objective bar pretty easily
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:23 PM
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That i agree on hard. A lot of the more feminine present men still have model good looks. Sharp jawlines, nice eyes and brows, high cheekbones, high facial symmetry. They just tend to present slightly more feminine or androgynously than the rugged dudes. Its like the difference between left twix and right twix, the wrappers are different but the substance is basically the same. Chisiya from AIB is a particularly notable example, because facially outside of AIB he looks like a model. In the show …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:19 PM
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As someone who has worked out nearly everyday for past 6 years, I understand that that is anomaly. Just dont be obese, its really that simple. You can be overweight, and depending on how weight sits on you can still be attractive, as long as you dont actively stop me from trying to be healthy we 're good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:14 PM
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First off, this is a study about what women find the most facially attractive based purely on their economic background/upbringing. Not that if you grew up in a privileged background, you wont look masculine. So i would need to know your background, assuming you are a woman. Secondly as it pertains to women finding a person atrractive we know its far more complex than just how someone looks. Im assuming him being a multimillionaire prince might muddle the results a bit. Definitionally he would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:48 PM
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Its often more important that you fit a particular womens type than be the most stereotypically attractive. My friend showed me the guy she just started dating. He is by all aspects unremarkable facially. That being said he fits the type of men, she has always told me she found attract. Maybe a slightly less masculine version of her past crushes, but definitely still fits the archetype of who she would normally go for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:19 PM
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Having read the study there seems to be a lot of evidence still supporting the original hypothesis: However, reanalysis of the data from DeBruine et al.33 reported that women’s preferences for facial masculinity were strongest in countries with high homicide rates and income inequality (indices of male intra-sexual competition) rather than reduced national health38,39. Experimental studies also demonstrate that women state higher preferences for facial masculinity following exposure to cues of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:00 PM
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Look don’t get me wrong they’re not entirely wrong. Working out, getting my money up, being more confident, dominant in going after what I want, and having moments where I increased status definitely all worked. In some cases drastically. I think an understated aspect of the game is that you can find success appealing to different niches, and your goal should probably be to pick whatever niche you can most closely resemble and vibe with and trying to optimize on that rather than doompilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:14 PM
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It was wild the first time heard it too but then I started thinking about it and it definitely checks out to a degree, and could explain a lot of different phenomena. A lot of the women in my life who grew up in pretty sheltered places still like attractive men, but the men they find more attractive tend to have way softer features. Not the masculine gigachads the red pill describes, even my sister loves dating men who most guys would consider having a ton of feminine traits The women who didn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:09 PM
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Yeah all of the characters in alice in borderland are objectively attractive people from from a facial standpoint. Especially if you see them outside of the show you realize they are all, model level attractive. This is the difference between, I like the angular stereotypical chad, and I like the angular faced "nerd" with white hair and makeup. The meat in the sandwich is the same, you just changed a bread bun for a lettuce bun.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:53 PM
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It sounds like you just like more feminine presenting men. Which is fine. You are more likely to be in the minority though. And so much of what the redpill advocates is becoming the most attrractive to women in general not hyperfocusing on niches. Also being attracted to less masculine looking men is often a sign someone came from a wealthier background. As they've found women who grew up in poorer/more dangerous areas tend to be more attracted to masculine men for the protection aspect, but ris…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:48 PM
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I would argue if enough high status men drop out, because this becomes super realistc, the market flips to being in mens favor. The amount of men who would realistically want real girlfriends would be low, even lower still would be the remaining men from that pool who women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:21 PM
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Dont agree with this whole post, but I definitely agree the women in my life do a far better just maintaining friends than then men do. At least on average, over a longer period of time
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:15 PM
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You shouldnt be look at the mean for men, you should be looking at the median. And I will bet a good amount of money theres a small group of people significantly raising the average for men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:14 PM
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As a man who is friends with a good amount of men and women, I gotta say women put far more effort into maintaining the social bonds than any of the male friends in my life post school .Whether thats the occasional FT, text, visiting, etc, woman are more likely to try and stay in touch. The men on the other had not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:13 PM
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Partially but historically top tier men have always had tons of women fawning over them. This original disparity was why things like monogamy began to be enforced. But Its numerous factors. Everything from the increasingly shrinking middle class to online dating app play a role. Both of those things have made the disparity between obtaining a top tier man and a regular dude way greater. Before you could have a solid life, with an average man. Nowadays unless the man is above average you may stru…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:01 PM
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We can use height as an example because its an objective metric that we have seen go up continuously over the years. At first due to nutrition but now mostly due to sexual selection, and women desiring men a lot taller than them . 5 ft 8 used to be considered tall. Then 5 ft 10 used be considered tall. Now its the "bare minimum", and 6ft is tall. In like 10 or 20 years that number could easily be 6 ft 2, simply because the population as a whole is taller from sexual selection. Often how attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:37 PM
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Because the things women typically find attractive are normally indicators that a man is well above average, especially physically. 6ft,6 figures, 6 inches are all the stats of a man who is well above average in each one of those individual things. Id also argue that often a lot of the things that women find attractive about men are relative indicators not absolute. i.e 6ft in america == hot and above average, 6ft in the netherlands == below average height there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:31 PM
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Because by and large especially when we're talking about people you would rate from 1-7, it is objective if you chose a countries beauty standard. Not having certain deformities or features, objectively moves you up the scale. How many models are there with terrible skin, or a ton of wrinkles, or very high bf%, or wildly unsymmetrical faces, are there. Its not really a thing because humans normally all agree that these things arent as attractive. Across all cultures. Now once you get very attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:21 PM
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Fair enough. I agree for the most part. My mental improved drastically when I left here. The old want to start shit or correct shit online does hard though 😂.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:07 PM
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I am all about self improvement brother. I just remember how alone I was when I was just “decent” . I’m 5ft11, went to a good school, have a good job . Have been working out every day for the past 5 years and most people would consider me pretty in shape. have been consistently improving my social skills. Whether that be in dressing, talking to strangers, or just working on hobbies like music, side project etc. most of my close friends are women, so I’ve seen the difference in how much nicer the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 08:44 PM
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I don’t know why we keep saying shit like terminally online when something like 2/3 of relationships form online. So it’s definitely something that needs to be accounted for. It’s not be decent looking it’s make sure you aren’t buried in an algo online. Plenty a decent person is just too far down the algo for a girl to notice. Most guys spend 30 minutes swiping, most girls spend 2-5 minutes. But girls get so many matches they probably don’t reach the below to “decent” in the stack. Offline, sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 08:07 PM
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Exactly there is literally not a body type that doesnt receive love from some type of man. Whereas with women, its basically one sometimes 2 body types if they're more into feminine men. Its why body positivity works for women, but not men. Most men dont meet those bodily attraction standards, so women learn to love men for other things they may offer. The barrier of entry to being considered beautiful for men is so high, that if you fit it you take everything. Whereas with women the barrier is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 02:47 PM
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I have met one woman. That woman is my sister though. She is a very weird case study though. Most of the high earning women I know def want at the very least lifestyle same if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:31 AM
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Lol have you seen the experiments people have done here. Their inboxed are also flooded with young bucks it’s wiiiild 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:32 AM
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Id also argue its "harder" because what you are looking for is harder to get because statistically speaking there are just not enough of those guys to go around. i.e. Getting into Harvard is hard (1%) and that like still 5-100x greater chance of you doing that then finding some of the dudes women are looking for. ​ Men are often looking for a girl who is cute, kind, and they can talk to. But normally to even get average results you gottta try pretty hard
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:21 AM
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Men do do that lol. The problem becomes when sometimes even the obese chick wont date. The inbox is 0 for some of them. You literally cant lower your standards any lower
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:17 AM
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As someone who had a similar transformation, I can say its not that they dont care. Its just not the ultimate game changer most guys think it is. Definitely turns some maybes into yes, and some yeses into strong yeses. Theyre also generally nicer and more forgiving. That being said it its not a magical bullet. Most of the women , like you said, care primarily about face, which is most men report doing their best when they are at their leannest not their strongest. And most of the women I hooked …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:42 PM
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I disagree on the money part. Namely that it comes third to status. A little bit of status has gone waaay further for me than the equivalent amount of money has.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:04 AM
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Well 80% of men would be a really big number truthfully. Its definitely lower. Like most men dont find 80% of women attractive enough to be with. Maybe 50 or more realistically 30%. That being said woman did indeed couple with many a men they werent attracted to in the past. Like they literally couldnt buy land, or open a bank account without a man. So womens preferences took a major backseat, to being able to survive. Now that women make money and sexual liberation occurred, womens looks prefer…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:00 AM
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Thats actually not true according to studies: In Experiment 1, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem (A. G. Greenwald et al., 2002), revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15491274/#:~:text=In%20Experiment%201%2C%20only%20women,bolsters%20automatic%20own%20group%20preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:12 PM
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I agree, for the most part. I seem to get a bit more push back from women than I do for men. I guess neither side wants to accept that shallowness can indeed play a role in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:08 PM
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That might be one of the most eloquent ways of describing it Ive read here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:39 PM
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Yeah I gotta agree on this one. I know some pretty ugly people and having shit thrown at them has never happened. Makes me wonder both how old the commenter is and where they live. If theyre like in highschool maybe college I could see it. Once your outside of that bubble I would find it hard to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:43 PM
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Is it fair that women can do it? Nope, but thats just how the OLD market is setup. What incentive is there for women to try
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:54 PM
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This also assumes negging is all or even most of what game is and tbh its not
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:06 AM
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Men are still the breadwinners in 70% of relationships and the idea that men should pay for date is very prevalent. According Forbes 80% of people think men should pay for first dates. And that number doesn’t really drop as the dates According to credit donkeys survey, 51% of men pay for most dates in comparison to the 49% of women who sometimes pay. The expectation that men pay for dates is still alive and present
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:36 PM
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There seems to be this notion that while women get more matches they are worse while men get fewer better ones so its more fun for men. After comparing with platonic girl friends, they normally get both more and higher quality matches. They just have to deal with how to sort those options, so its more time consuming on the back end. While I now empathize more with womens role in the game, I definitely prefer it. Give me more choices. At the end of the day while having more choices means more fil…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:06 PM
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Lol i finally understood what dating was like for women when i was to switching jobs as an engineer last summer. The market was on fire must of had like 20-30 recruiters reaching out to me a week offering really good jobs. I had to resort to basic af heuristics like highest salaries, remote, prestige, etc, instead of taking the time to truly examine all aspects of every job It was at that moment I realized thats what most online dating is for women. Do they want a nice man who cares about them, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:07 PM
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Same its been helpful for a ton of areas in a ton of areas of my life. Just not dating looool
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:01 PM
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I mean agree. I just dont think it will happen right now because of who holds leverage in the dating market right now. Powerful men with resources can afford to pay for everything, like the competitive advantage they get from paying for everything. Women on the other hand have literally hundreds if not thousands of matches. If you wont pay, someone else will. So theres no incentive for them to pay equally on a date, other than wanting to project an aura of self reliance and self sufficiency. I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:55 PM
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It doesn't. Mostly because there are far more neurodivergent women than men, so their pool is bigger. On top of that most eccentricities a ND woman may have are more likely to be excused, or even seen as attractive, whereas women are far more likely to get the ick from a ND man not adhering to certain social conventions. Hell they get the ick from neurotypical men all the time over relatively trivial bullshit lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:42 PM
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First off depends how that weight is distributed. Not all overweights are the same, when it comes to attractive. Secondly you said you mainly date engineers, they typically dont tend to be the most stringent people when it comes to looks. This is speaking as an engineer, who works with a ton of other engineers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:24 PM
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So your career matters to the extent that it creates similarity and gives you the ability to be in proximity to those men. The actual dollar amount you are making doesn't matter. Its why no man is clamoring to date Oprah. You could have gotten a reasonable facsimile of what you have now by simply working as HR in one of those engineering firms and being relatively social. The reason most men dont care about womens careers when dating is because most women expect men to pay for nearly everything.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:21 PM
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Yeah its just confusing because supporting the legalization and regulation of sex work would all but plummet that price lower, as we can see in countries like Amsterdam. This is especially true if you believe the main reason competitive value you provide to a man is sexual
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:45 PM
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Its kind of crazy too cause a lot of the same women who judge a man for going to an escort, are the same women who publicly support sex work. The excuse often being that these women need to do this work to survive. But if they successfully shame men into not supporting sex workers, who would these desperate women sell to. You would basically be condemning these women to both shame and poverty. its some interesting cognitive dissonance
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:29 PM
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A patently untrue one at that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:21 PM
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It really is like this. To be honest being friends with WOMEN of all ages and races, and the stories they tell me has done far more to make me redpill than anything Andrew Tate has ever said. The call is coming from inside the house lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:17 PM
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Well straight male escorts online do exist for one, and normally for cheaper than their female counterparts. But more importantly most women do not have to pay to get sex. Most women can go on tinder and find a decently attractive dude to smash for free. In fact they can get dude to pay for their meals and other stuff, so i dont see how its a privilege. Even the woman who do pay for male escorts, it normally has to do more with fantasy and wish fulfillment rather than having trouble getting laid…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:10 PM
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Yeah I hate the use of makeup and clothes as a justification for why women invest more than men. Often the men who are able to get mutliple dates easily are the ones who have invested a good chunk of money into clothes, haircuts, skin routines, gym membership, etc. For all you know his gucci belt alone could cost more than you spent on make up for an entire year. Do women cover the gas the man may have spent to come pick her up, as its no guarantee she is for him either? Hair and makeup arent do…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:48 PM
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Yeah im not against a woman doing that. This specifically for men who complain that women wait until their mid 30's to get serious, and sees you as consolation prize. If you as a man arent okay with that dont date her. At the end of the day most men who have done something with their lives normally have the options to not have to do that, if they choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:24 PM
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Lol I think what he is saying is that most women are sought after due to male thirst levels. There is no option to go for women with "little attention". And the type confidence women most often to respond is very loud and extraverted. I assume some women like the quiet humble kind, but its a lot harder for them to identify the quiet guy as confident than the in your face extravert. Anyway back to male thirst. One girl did an experiment where she literally posted a picture of her fridge, 200 like…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:23 PM
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Lol Im just saying its possible my friend. The idea that every vagina is bare minimum like a slice of dominoes pizza is a lie. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:20 PM
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How can one have bad sex with a women? Oh let me count the ways: - vagina or breath wreak - body look vastly different with clothes off - Starfish sex or low attitude in general - Lack of sensation when penetrating from being way to loose - Doesnt reciprocate or give head - Doesnt care if you finish - Is into kinks you would consider weird or dangerous and imposes those on you That all I can think of off the top though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:09 PM
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Yeah its like 50 dollars or 500,000 over the course of the next 18 years. That 50 dollars looking mad nice right now
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:52 PM
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I mean if you dont want to date or are cool being alone i guess its not too high. This conversation always assumes you do want to date but havent been able to get the person you want. If this assumption isnt there this convo is pointless. If you would like to date I would say it means it too high. Cause most likely there is another person on this planet, with your exact same standards, and they are able to consistently get people who meet or even exceed your standards The difference between you …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:23 PM
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Standards are only "too high" if you couldnt realistically attain that person that meets your standards. Your dating experience will show you whats realistic in your area/social circle really quickly though if youre taking dating seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:09 PM
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Hard agree. I think it becomes confusing for women though because the calibre of man whose willing to sleep with a girl is often far higher than the calibre of the one whose willing to commit to her. I see how this quickly leads to inflated egos
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:06 PM
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I never said her standards dont matter. I said complaining about others standards being unreasonable is ultimately pointless. This is because they either consistently find people who meet it, in which case its not unreasonable, or they dont so they will die alone or change it. The complaining will do little to actually change the standard until reality slaps them in the face. Could we get to a point where women are like I only date billionaires, so literally only a couple thousand people can dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:02 PM
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Yes but if that validation isnt reciprocal to some degree why are you dating at all.Youre saying that what if I meet a womans standards, but they dont meet mine. I would argue the point still stands. If you've been seriously trying for a long time ,you dont meet the standards of the women who meet your standards. Either adjust your strategy, adjust your standards, improve, or die alone. There is really no way around this conclusion. Only exception is if the women you are looking for literally do…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:48 PM
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Well thats not called settling. Settling implies you could do better but have resigned yourself to the fact that you might have to be alone and wait longer to get it. More often what happens is they were never truly qualified for the man they were looking for in the first place, thats not settling thats just readjusting prices. As men we do have to accept some culpability though. If a woman waits until her 30's to want to settle down, it is entirely on us to not accept her. Women can only get aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:42 PM
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I think what he means is no standard is unreasonable, if it is realistic you could attain it. . If rihanna said Im only dating multimillionaires, no one would bat an eye cause she could get it. Now if some random unattractive girl living in wyoming said that the story may be different. Basically what hes saying is the market will tell you relatively quickly in 4-5 months what you could realistically pull, so it makes no sense to get upset about peoples standards. Either they will get, so they we…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:38 PM
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Men for the most part are normally pretty upfront about what they want in women they want to marry. I will agree there are some who public statements contradict their private actions but theres good reason for it. Most of the time the men who are in the third camp fall into 2 categories: They are powerful men who want their wives to be relatively chaste, but dont care about women they have no plan on committing to i.e the madonna whore complex. Normally the girls they marry arent people who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 10:42 PM
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Since the hard part of most jobs is normally getting the job, not normally keeping it. And many men have a similar experience dating. There are ton of men who ostensibly, would be good in relationships/job, but get weeded out based on different criteria than that of what leads to a good employee. So it’s not surprising men spend most of their time talking about interview/ getting rather then leveling up specific relationship skills that said specific partner finds relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 09:40 PM
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I don’t think that’s a rather apt comparison. The skills that have you excel at try outs are usually the same as the ones that help you excel on the court and play. So they wouldn’t make the team In this scenario the skills are very different for success, the more apt comparison would be like a software engineering interview vs the job. To interview well you have to learn a bunch of skills which kind of translate, but for the most part have only some correlation to excelling at the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 09:35 PM
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Well last I checked 60% of any dataset is a sizable portion. There are few populations where over 50% of isn’t considers large. I would reckon anything above 30% probs means you should pay attention to it. But let’s assume your calculations and assumptions. This is a small minority. That most of the attractive men don’t care And this is really a concern of incels who get none. I don’t really think you can have it both ways. Either a sizable portion of men care about it hence, women feel shame be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:36 PM
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I think you just change the terminology. You say most or a majority rather than all. In your bimodal examples assuming we knew that info, we would just say half of men want 0 and half want 10. The real problem here is speaking in absolutes. There are no true absolutes in dating but there are things that are way more probabilistic than other
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:11 PM
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Yeah but if she experienced that kind of life spoil is gonna mean 2 very different things. Spoil in her eyes might mean, a first class flight to bora bora staying in a 5 star hotel. You spoiling her might mean taking her to that one nice restaurant in town once a month. Its just not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:59 PM
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I mean yeah because normally the things that get you in a relationship are superficial or based on brief infatuation. So looks, vibes, etc. The things that actually sustain a relationship are values, listening skills etc, but nobody talks about that cause most mens problem is getting into the relationship in the first place not keeping one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:56 PM
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How do we know it’s a large portion? There aren’t many studies and surveys about this and the closest ones we can find deals with pornstars. A survey found 60% of men wouldn’t marry a woman who used to do porn. I used former p stars as facsimile for a high body count because p-stars are women who, slept a round in a manner that is publicly verifiable. And they are woman who have put that life behind them. When men knew about their past they were not willing to commit long term. We also know that…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:41 PM
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It will probably lead to a more hypergamous dating environment. As the difference in lifestyle between a rich man and a broke man balloons
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:48 PM
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I mean you can to a degree though. There are certain traits and attributes that will generally make you unattractive to large portions of the opposite gender. Just because a few people finds them attractive doesn't mean said trait cant be said to be found generally unattractive. If enough people share a personal preference it can definitely be used to explain an aspect of a gender dynamic. This is like saying most women like men who are around their height or taller. Or saying most men dont want…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:33 PM
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Nope its true and its creating a negative feedback loop. Women are bothered by creepy men approaching as it makes them feel unsafe. They then reasonably say, men should stop approaching when theyre in public cause its creepy. Men ,who respect womens opinion, hear this and approach less. Men ,who dont care and are creepy, continue approaching. Now the proportion of creepy men to non creepy men approaching is higher. So women say even louder that they want to be left alone. And the cycle continues…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:14 PM
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And the funny thing is this sentiment actually creates a negative feedback loop. The most respectable men will listen to women, and not approach, so as not to make them uncomfortable. Meanwhile the men who give no fuck about a women's feeling of comfort will still approach. So the proportion of creepy men who are left approaching is now bigger, which will cause women to say even louder that they want to be left alone, which will in turn have more respectable men stop approaching and the cycle wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:07 PM
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Id also venture to say the fact that you live in alaska, a place with a significantly smaller pool of people, and the fact that you are more concerned with a person's character than their height made it more likely that you were going to get married in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 05:31 PM
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Kudos to you for it not being a factor for you five years ago. OLD also wasn’t as cutthroat or as widely used in 2017. In 2023 a lot and I do mean a lot has changed. Now an average girl is getting hundreds or even thousands of likes in a short timespan. When volume is that large, you have to start eliminating people on relatively surface level criteria. Why a lot of women chose height is beyond me? Most common reasons I hear is, they wanna wear heels, it makes them feel feminine and protected, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 05:27 PM
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This is all facts for the most part. I have no problem with anybody having preference. I just dont like when we act like those penalties and preferences dont exist, and immediately jump to gaslighting other aspects of a persons personality. This would be the equivalent of there being a 700 pound women, and men telling her she cant find love because she's insecure about her weight. Rather than acknowledging the reality that the pool of men who find her attractive, is. gonna be smaller than if she…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 04:09 PM
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This has happened with the widespread advent of dating apps. Basically because most women on OLD are flooded with options, they have to use heuristics, like height, to quickly eliminate people. Which has led to 6ft being the new "tall".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:59 PM
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Lol just get something that is not coffee on the coffee date
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:00 PM
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As a black person, I can straight up tell you there are certain areas I won’t move to because I know it will nuke my dating prospects and introduce more racism to my life. Oklahoma being one of them. Nobody’s give you a cookie for having a sub optimal life setup for achieving your goals. If moving help you achieve your goals do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 03:02 AM
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My question is okay if this is the belief at what point does it stop? Is it lame that someone who wants to be an actor move to LA? Is it lame that someone who wants to be an engineer moves to SF? Is a person of color who lives in oklahoma lame, because they failed to find love in OK so they moved to Atlanta? What im asking is, does moving to accomplish a goal easier make you a loser? Im not a ppbro, but the way I see it the person we choose as our life partner is literally one of the biggest det…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:25 AM
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PPbros and redpill men are 2 different strands of people. Most redpill men dont wanna be used for their money, so they would never lead with their wallet. Most Ppbros, seem to go abroad and do better. Regardless of whether they do better because of money or different status and beauty standards they do better. I think the better question to ask is why do you think all women globally think exactly the same culturally when it comes to their view on men? I.e. because he might not do well with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:09 AM
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Also he already said he could clean up, but the effort to cleanup is way harder and the return he gets for staying is, in his opinion, less. Like he has to try way harder for girls who are less compatible with what he wants. So long as hes being respectful I honestly dont see why this is such a massive problem
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:59 AM
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Well if we keep seeing people who fit those frameworks being touted as celebrities, models, and leaders. Then we can get a pretty solid understanding of what people find attractive. Especially when you have millions of people to draw from. That’s how we found out most men throughout history prefer women with .6-.7 waist to hip ratio. Or how we found out women prefer men with 1.2-1.4 shoulder to waist ratio. Or in English, wide shoulders for men and small waist and wide hips for women. You can do…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:57 PM
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I mean there are frameworks we use to determine what makes art good. Just because you don’t wanna use them or bother to learn what they are doesn’t mean they don’t exist. The objective and subjective standard happens all the time. Most humans objectively wouldn’t date someone who had a heavily disfigured face. Some people objectively have features that are more associated with youth like lack of wrinkles, and etc. But whose hotter Beyoncé or Rihanna. That’s probably just personal preference at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:41 PM
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It’s not fair. I agree. Get what you can get
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:34 PM
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There is a actually ton of data about this. You just need to pick a countries beauty standard and measure a person facial symmetry and other feature against it. Its pretty scientific actually, especially when we're talking about people who would rate from 1-7. Once you eliminate most features alot of western people dont find attractive like recessed jaws, bug eyes, weird noses, etc. what you are left with is people who objectively fit the current beauty standard well. In the higher levels though…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:28 PM
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According to studies its either B or C. They either know and are trying to keep the moral high ground or are unaware of how much things like the halo effect shape how they view a mans personality. From article: The study suggests that women value physical attractiveness in a potential mate far more than they say they do, said study author Madeleine Fugère, a professor of social psychology at Eastern Connecticut State University in Willimantic. Results showed that a man's looks influenced both gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:20 PM
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Just because you are rewarded in one manner for obtaining something doesn’t mean there can’t be other rewards that come from obtaining it as well. Your reward for working hard might be getting into Harvard. Now that you have that Harvard seal of approval, soceity give you a whole host of other shit. No different from the dude who got a ton of money, who now women find more attractive because of it. The extra attention from women is a nice secondary reward. Now does he does deserve the extra atte…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:43 PM
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Not necessarily true. If youre born with the right and bone structure, you have to do significantly less work than you 5 10 average face having counterpart. Now it stands to reason at the very top ,,everyone is a genetic outlier and attractive. So the prime differentiators are gonna be things like status and wealth/ things you have to work for. So yall are both right to an extent
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:29 PM
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It's not that intelligence is unattractive. It's just that it's far down the list of things that actually turn women on
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:16 PM
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So if we're talking about proving RP ideology the existence of these women does lend credence to their being validity in their beliefs. Okay lets forget about abusive dudes for a second. How many women do you know that like dating, ugly, broke, unconfident, poorly connected dudes, with few prospects for improvement, but who are very nice to you and very emotionally available? If you can show me there are a sizable amount of women who want to date those kind of men, that would disprove the RP for…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:58 PM
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Yeah I feel like the only viable response to this is, thats not all women. And I agree most women dont like being in abusive relationships. Other aspects of RP ideology though women almost universally love. Find me all of these women who want to date broke, poorly connected, ugly dudes, who are not assertive. Its not really a thing it doesnt really happen. That is most of what the ideology highlights Every single romance novel that women love to read is often about a dark, brooding tall, ripped …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:48 PM
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Okay cool men want to date attractive women. They are often told women want nice, kind, emotionally available guys who do 50% of the housework. This is what they are told women care about the most. Them not doing this is the reason they cant find a partner. In reality they see a ton of nice dudes who do those things, and get nothing. Then they see abusive men and literal serial killers having groupies. You can only really draw a couple conclusions here: Being "nice" doesnt matter as much as wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:41 PM
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Most men wouldnt care, but thats not whats happening. Attractive women are willing to be with abusive men. Some of whom are straight up serial killers, jeffrey Dahmer. It just puts into perspective how BS the stereotypical advice of just be nice and be yourself. Its not about wanting to be with those type of women, its about being sold a false narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:06 PM
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Its less dangerous for men simply because they cant normally get access to those type of women though. They go on an OLD app and most of the times the people matching them are at or even below their looks level. you have that happen to you for years and most sane men will lower their standards not to be alone
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 11:56 PM
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This is actually a really fresh take I havent heard before, and probably explains to some degree the prevalence of the dominance kink
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 11:46 PM
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But hey at least we dont get periods.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 11:44 PM
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It wouldnt help tons of virgins though. Most women in big cities, already can sleep with as many men as they want, without fear of social repercussion. And virginity rates among young men have increased massively. A totally unencumbered sexual market place would work more like a polygamous society as women tend to gravitate towards the most attractive men. . And as we know in soceities like that dating for men functions as a winner take all system. Some men have mulitple wives many have none. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 11:42 PM
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I dont wish anything. I dont really care its a jungle out there. Get who you can get. If you can be incredibly promiscous openly and men still marry you kudos to you. Have your cake and eat it to. I just like to have realistic views on the chances of shit happening. Like if a 5ft2 dude was like Im gonna pull beyonce, Im not gonna say its impossible, but he should acknowledge this is gonna be hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:41 AM
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The difference is your chance of actually catching the man goes down. Let’s say all women want a man who has at least one of those traits. 1/3 want a tall Man 1/3 want a rich man 1/3 want a buff man Let’s say there are ten men. And you like tall men. In a non overlapping world where there’s one tall guy, one rich guy, and one buff guy. You only have to compete with the other girls who like tall men. Hard but not doable. In a confounded world where there’s only 1 guys who has all the attractive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:35 AM
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People like to talk about hookup culture, but the people who have the most sex are those in couples. People are forming couples less and less, so the average person is having less sex and there are a bevy of reason why this is happening. For starters the destruction of third spaces for people to meet has done a number on relationships. Slowly its becoming more taboo to meet at work, at the gym, at public in grocery stores, in social clubs etc. A lot of people would rather stay home and watch net…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:23 AM
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I mean honestly you can do this with any traits that follow a normal distribution, so the word major doesnt really matter. But lets assume major ones could be height, body fat, money, kindness, intelligence, style, emotional empathy, education level. The list goes on and on. Lets take the stereotypical 6ft, six figure, six pack. 15% of men are 6ft+ 10% of men (most of whom are old) make six figure or more 10% of men have visible abs. .1*.1*.15*100 = .15% of men meet this standard. This is before…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:00 AM
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I do think its dystopian, but not because we have striven to do more, want more, and eventually made that old better the new norm. I thinks that whats driven us to accomplish so much as species. And is a big reason we arent still in caves. The dystopian aspects for me anyway come from things like the unequal distribution of resources, exploitation of minority groups, and the nihilistic fervor that seems to eminate through the fabric of western soceity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:47 PM
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Lol most women expect men to pay for a bevy of things while dating. If youre unemployed that money disappears quick. Also theres a new song, video, etc every week about how women shouldnt date broke men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:37 PM
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Im assuming you run your own business then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:34 PM
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Okay cool. If women have high n counts that were public, and men knew what they were , many men would care. According to surveys, 60% of men would care. Sure some dudes wont care, but when you factor in all of the other factor women look for in men, im not sure I would want to immediately cut my chances of finding a partner in half. Like lets just do some basic math. Lets say you just want a dude who is kinda tall, doesnt care about n count, and isnt obese. 40% men dont care 50% men are single 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:12 PM
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Im just using those girl as an example of what happens when n-count becomes public knowledge. Do I think some of those girls can find love? Sure, some have, normally with other sex workers. Almost all of them talk about how hard dating is even after they stop though. So I think its dangerous pushing a narrative that sizable portion of men wont care, when a lot of men do. Its just that for most girl those numbers are public. According to this survey like 60% of men did care and wouldnt marry: htt…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:54 PM
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The problem is when you start stacking other basic things like height, weight, age, proximity, these numbers quickly go from the millions to the hundreds to the tens. This is before we talk about things like compatibility, or money, Granted this is a problem that plagues dating in general, Statistically speaking you can expect your partner to be above average or in a minority in at most 3 major traits. Any more than that and you are literally trying to find a unicorn
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:37 PM
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but we know most men care in relationships. And we know they care because most really powerful men dont marry pornstars. In fact pornstars have broken down, when talking about how hard it is to date. The only reason some girls might get away with going crazy like that is because often their isnt a public record of their escapades. Retired pornstars have that record, and we see how they get treated often times. Lana Rhodes is a perfect examples, she can hookup with Blake Griffin, but blake griffi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:33 PM
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This is the real answer. When it comes to a quick fling, most men dont care. If you're talking about looking for a life partner, men do care. If they didnt care then ask yourself this, why are most incredibly powerful men dating pornstars? They have the perfect combo of beauty and experience, yet still most poweful men arent snapping them up. The only guys who dont care are guys with no/few options and guys who are just trying to smash. The men most of these women want do indeed care
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:25 PM
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I dont know about anything, but there a lot. Like I aint see a girl hit an 800 pound squat yet and im pretty sure thats just straight up because of genetic limitations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:10 PM
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Lol but how do you know she didnt find you attractive because you had already met most of her checklist? Hence because you already passed, you didnt have to do anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:06 PM
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I havent seen the british version, but I would argue most of the red pill proponents in the sub would say that proves their point even more. Those men were acting with "feminine energy", and as such werent able to buckle down and actually get shit done. That in times of survival, traits normally associated with masculinity, like decisivness, willingness to kill, stoicism, adherence to hierarchy, etc are paramount to success. Traits most men used to have, because most men had to have them, but as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:58 PM
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Sidenote: I did something similar with my Iphone 6 took me forever to upgrade to a 12. I mean maximizers, people who need to get or be the very best in everything they do, tend to be not happy people. Constantly striving to reach a perfection you can only ever hope to asymptotically approach, is a recipe for unhappiness. That being said thats not what we're talking about. We're talking about how as a soceity or individual improve how would that effect dating. If everyone is an "9", 9 will become…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:45 PM
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I thinks cause historically speaking young men who dont have purpose, oppurtunity to start a family, or a community typically spells bad times for soceity overall. Even if it doesn't mean total violence in the streets, its hard to keep the capitalist system humming if men feel like there no reason to grind for 50 years as a cog in the machine. Disconnected men hurt the bottom line. Its a big reason why polygamy was banned and monogamy became a widely accepted norm in the first place. When a coup…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:28 PM
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Thats not a dystopia. That just how humans have historically reacted to when it comes to all things. Like why arent you still using an original Iphone, because the standard for what constitutes a fast usable phone has risen drastically since 2006. Its the same with dating. Its why you wont catch Leo not dating a modelesque girl, why would he?Ig model is literally the floor when you have that kind of power. Its why attractive, well connected , women very rarely date, men who dont have wealth, sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:09 PM
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We're not close to that breaking point though. The average heights in the netherlands is 6ft. If a ton of women are sexually selecting for height there is no reason this cant keep trending upwards as it has done for centuries. Remember people used to be really short because of lack of access to food, and less sexual selectivity. We talking like 5 ft averages. Yesterdays tall, is todays short or average. And even if you want to accept that at some point there is a genetic limit with height, (i.e.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:50 PM
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Disagree that more people will have sex. Women are as picky as their options allow them to be. And its a relative standard. The standard for being tall attractive dude used to be 5ft6. Most men now objectively meet that standard, what did women do? They continuously shift it upwards. Now its 6ft but soon it will be 6ft2, as the average male heights increase. What will probably happen is women will just nitpick on smaller and smaller things. This is what we tend to seen online. When women are flo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:31 PM
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I dont know about that though. I was in this friend group where one girl was hooking up with a guy she met on hinge, and then other girl matched with him started talking to him, and eventual showed her friend. Why she did that I dont know , but thats definitely whats going on
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:21 PM
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This right here is it. Hypergamy is a relative phenomenon not an objective one. Before a man simply had to have a job. Now a man gotta be tall, handsome, educated, six figures etc. And you can see the relativity of it play out now across the globe. In America a tall man is 6 ft 2. In some asian countries, 5 ft 8 is tall enough for you to be considered tall. Its why there are women in poor neighborhoods/countries who think a man with a decent job is a catch. Whereas there are women who come from …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:18 PM
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Yeah, I feel like most people with a healthy view realize that their are limitations, but there is also a lot that can be done to improve your situation. Rather than blaming women, they just try to improve as much as they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:07 AM
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Youd be correct. When every guys who is hitting up you up has clout or makes bank thats no longer a differentiator, unless youre making significantly more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:50 PM
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I think what guys are saying is why try to push an encourage these women to make positive changes when they can go somewhere where they dont have to. Its similar to how a lot of women dont want to sit around and wait for a man to fully develop based on his "potential". I dont blame either party for making the decision because few people rarely make significant life changes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 09:59 PM
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Actually ted Talker did a study and found that normally the more money a man makes the more attractive he is to the opposite sex. This correlation does not hold true for SWE's. So its not as much going for him as you think
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 09:53 PM
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Even given those facts I dont think its wrong for a man to want to be desired. The attraction I got after I got in shape pales in comparison to that which I got through "personality" alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 09:25 PM
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I would say most women would have a problem with men saying this. Imagine a man said about his girlfriend, yeah she was absolutely nothing special when I first saw her. But through relentless conversation she was able to win me over. No girl would want to hear that because girls want to be desired sexually much like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 08:40 PM
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But gay guys are notorious for having the most partners, ie. being the horniest. If your logic follows that men do nothing because they expect the other side to be as horny as them, shouldnt gay dudes have the profiles with the least effort
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 08:24 PM
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What the original commenter said still stands though. If as women, she can easily match with a far hotter guy, many of whom also have some form of game, why would she choose the average dude in front of her? Obviously game works to a degree, I just think the marginal added value is way lower than it used to be
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 08:12 PM
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I dont even have a problem with then choosing assholes. It does get annoying when they choose assholes consistently, because they are more attractive, and then complain when there are no good men. Men adopt the strategies of the winner. If assholes and fuckboys stay winning, men will over time start to adopt more of their behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:44 PM
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Nah I just want the article to say, women arent dating many men because they are out of shape, cant dress, or groom themselves correctly. I want the issue Identified correctly, so people arent gaslit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:36 PM
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It doesnt even do that though it reinforces the intial point. Simply because the guy has one niche quality, height, so long as he doesnt literally shoot himself in the foot, he always wins. And girls make it very easy for him to do so, despite his lack of social competence
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:32 PM
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Lol I agree with you. My gripe is with the lack of honesty not the want. I believe people can have whatever preferences they want. Doesn’t matter if the person can or can’t change them. Whether it be height, looks, money, race, personality etc. all are valid reasons to reject a person. No one deserves anything. I do get annoyed when the reason for actually rejected is lied about, mostly in order to not come across as mean. Like imagine if all guys told girls we re rejecting you because you don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:19 AM
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In this case it was purely physical though. And it is in a lot of cases, women just don’t want be mean or seem shallow rejecting because of looks. So they ll tip toe around the real reason. personally as I guy would prefer she said sorry your just not my type. Your not tall enough, etc. at least I know I either improve my looks, or I find a different girl. Rather than maybe thinking my personality is defective, especially in a case when it wasn’t my personality
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:42 AM
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One of those things sounds like it’s an emotional reason. In fact it leaves enough ambiguity that it could be anything. The other is a purely physical one but is the real reason
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:07 AM
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Yeah one of my friends just turned down a confident, assertative dude for a Hinge date because he wasnt attractive. Straight up told me that was why. But told him she didnt feel a spark, chemistry, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 08:45 PM
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did you just not read my whole sentence lol. "they have no qualms about approaching men , who they dont know, if they are hot enough"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 08:05 PM
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This article doesnt disprove what I said. In fact to some degree it strengthens it Lets look at it from a women's perspective. There is a strong societal expectation for men to make the first move. Making the first move is scary and can damage ones ego if rejected. Most women are already inundated with more attention from average men than they know what to do with. So given the circumstances the only reason a women would approach, is if a man is significantly hotter than the guys who are current…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:54 PM
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Well being happy a girl made the first move is different than getting the yes. Most guys do enjoy when a girl makes the first move respectfully. Granted just because you made the first move doesnt mean you will get a yes. There are almost no guys who were about to approach a girl, and then said girl asked him out so he said no, because she asked him. They were most likely never attracted to you, so you were either never going to be asked or were going to get a no. All the act of asking does it m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:43 PM
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So what has actually happened when you approached
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 06:57 PM
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As someone who is friends with a good amount of woman, they have no qualms about approaching men , who they dont know, if they are hot enough. Most men arent hot enough for them to break that soceital norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 06:55 PM
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Certain cultures have different beauty standards, so money isnt always the case. Say for example a black person who lived in a predominantly white area, went to a country in Africa. He'd probs do far better because his beauty aligns more with African beatuy standards than it does the often white eurocentric beauty stand exalted in america
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 03:31 AM
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What ive heard more often is that they dont think the women here are particularly feminine and can be combatative, unless you are financially, physically, and emotionally dominant. And that they expect you to be a traditional man, while at the same time giving you none of the benefits of a traditional women. Whereas foreign women they date are far more likely to ascribe to gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 03:16 AM
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Ooh thats a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 02:12 PM
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Just off the top shit. Been doing it for 8 years now. I definitely have fallback rhyming words, but other than that it’s all off the top. I don’t like intermingling my written stuff with off the top stuff. The biggest result of me improving has been getting better breath control. Most people think they’re bad cause they can’t think fast. This is not the case. It’s their poor breath control. When it’s bad you are limited to basic and generic flows, and as your flow is so limited this severely con…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 01:36 AM
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Well normally I just go with the people who I vibe with the most. As there are untold ways people can add value to your life in a variety of ways. Some tangible, others less so, but not less important. Making the first move to talk to someone seems to help in terms of making bonds. I do personally do want to settle down. The streets gets quite boring and repetitive after a while, and I do enjoy the depth that comes with building a strong emotional bond with someone. One of those deep truly vulne…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 10:21 PM
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Commenting to also add that the difference in attention is night and day. When I was fatter and worked out nothing unless that girl had known me for years. Now that Im in shape I get consistent compliments and theyre way nicer and open in general. My jokes are suddenly funnier. My girl best friend said maybe what youre missing is "swag" and better clothes. Got in shape, apparently my clothes and swag were now fine, and she found me attractive enough to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 08:44 PM
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Stuff ive learned from being friends with women. They'll often let you see their tinder and often they have 100's if not thousands of likes at any given time. You'll also learn that a lot of women go for the same types of guys. Different flavors but in general the same archetypes of dudes. They re also more open to polygamy /polyamory than they would let on. One of my female friends was having trouble deciding between dating a sneaker head who apparently sold to professional nba players, a MIT P…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 08:32 PM
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Ive had redpill moments for all of the big 3. Money: There was this girl I asked out that I had met at a party. At the time I was unemployed, but still had a good amount of money saved so I could do dates. Sometimes she would show up other times she would flake hard. Offhandedly I had told her I was applying for a SWE Job that would pay six figures if I got it, but was unsure if could do it.Like a month or so later I told her I got the job. Now all of sudden she went from being flakey, depressed…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 08:24 PM
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I dont know about being more content being single but I do agree with the first part. Most women dont approach most men because they dont have too. They are constantly bombarded with male attention online or IRL. So if a girl is approaching, especially in a direct manner, it normally means she finds you incredibly attractive. There are only a select few guys women views as hot enough to break social norms for, so most guys will never experience that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:48 PM
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Easily, there are people with conditions that make it incredibly hard to lose weight. Conditions like paraylsis, limb loss, hormonal imbalances, ect. They still love themselves they have just come to accept that they are gonna be big person, so they dont let the insecurity over weight wreck themselves. Kinda of like what you are suggesting here, which is that If they are having trouble its because of the insecurity not their physical condition. Also there are tons of people without conditions wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:38 PM
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Learning to manage expectation will make you happier. Definitely might not get you laid more though. Just because you work out and dress nice and make solid money and are secure in yourself, maybe you 're also like 5ft and have an ugly face. A lot of girls would view that as a no go off rip. Would obessing over his height help, no, but we do know that is a reason hes not having success. And we know security alone isnt the answer for a multitude of reasons. there are a ton of people with money, p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:27 PM
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I mean do you work out a ton. If you work out a ton or happen to be an individual with heavy bones it can be wrong. I fall in to both categories. Im 6ft 225 visible six pack, strong af, but BMI would call me overweight. So it depends on your circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:58 PM
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Lol the ceos job ain’t to improve things it’s to make money. Unfortunately, when it comes to dating theirs a limited supply of people on the app, so matching too many people is bad for their business model. The odds of the user are in direct conflict with the business model
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:43 PM
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This is the answer I proposed. Constrain the amount of women men can like. This will cause women to be less overwhelmed with matches, forcing them to swipe longer. More dudes will get seen by proxy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:39 PM
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I dont think they mean that at all. Its why you rarely see friend groups among women with significant attraction disparities
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:47 AM
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I think you cracked the code
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:46 AM
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I mean that just a supply and demand issue though. Because rural areas have such small supply, sometimes the best option you can get in a small town is far worse than you could have done if you were in a city
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:45 AM
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Well normal is a relative term. Obesity and the negative effects of it are pretty absolute though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:39 AM
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So people are working out more now, but there NEAT (non execercise Activity) is at an all time low. People are walking and moving far less for their jobs than they ever have. Also our food is been getting progressively less nutritious. So an hour every other day at the gym isnt gonna cover for a largely sedentary job
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:53 AM
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Lol 40% still pretty bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:51 AM
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I don’t envy that situation. I don’t envy, believing I might be creating a genuine connection with someone , onlyto have it taken away from me time and time again. Sounds heartbreaking to be honest. I do think women eventually learn they have to start picking different men. It part of what red pullers get mad about. They often self reflect after this happens multiple times
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:44 AM
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No I love this. “You’re fat get you ass in the guy” is a hall of fame spelling goof
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 11:46 PM
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That is what I think the crux of problem is. You’d think itd be the opposite, since women are inundated with male attention. So you’d think they would quickly be able to ascertain who is realistic for them to keep. But cause 10s will approach 5s for an easy lay they never truly know. A rough spot to be in
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 11:46 PM
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I like curvier women as well. While attraction is more subjective at higher levels, I definitely think there’s more consensus about whose attractive among men. Like a girl who most men would call a 9 isn’t suddenly gonna be a 4 in the eyes of other men. Maybe a 7 maybe even a 6, but not much lower than a 2 point drop unless there’s some massive bias. I’ve definitely observed the phenomenon more with women where some will rate a guy a 10 and then others would say he’s a 3. Mostly based on appeali…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:57 PM
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This is a fact. Ive seen women give male models low ratings and then fawn over other dudes who ,in my opinion, are significantly less attractive. Women’s looks standards arent always high. They do always seem to be pretty specific though. Like one of my female friends wont date dudes with a square head shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:23 PM
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He also definitely has status. Id argue its the things that sets him apart the most. There are a good amount of good looking guys, a decent number of rich men, but there aint too many incredibly famous men especially who are all 3
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:48 PM
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Its more like if you are down bad for an extended period of time, and she didnt meet you in that state prepare for the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:41 PM
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Which kind of proves the point that the difference between being confident and cocky is not the behavior but rather how attractive the recipient of said behavior finds you to to be. Lebron calling himself the GOAT isnt cocky. Kwame Brown doing so is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:11 PM
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Bars
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 10:48 PM
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So what we've found is that at the floor attraction is extremely objective. There are certain features and deformities that are universally consider bad. However once you eliminate all of those, at the upper echelon (7+) things like cultural and subjective standards in beauty come into play more heavily. Like girl who is a 10 in korean may only be a 8 in the US, because eastern and western standards of beauty differ quite heavily. That being said most people would still call that 8 attractive as…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 10:19 PM
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This is definitely one of those pandora box situations where once you allow it for one situation you open the door for many others. That beings said its not like there arent women who lie, cheat, or abuse their partners. If this is something you view as righteous in principle, what would be the problem with men doing the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:39 PM
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congrats on the transformation. Doing that in one year is crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:58 PM
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Well because for most young people the alternatives have been destroyed. Bars and Clubs are now places people go often to dance with people they already know. Work relationships are heavily frowned upon. Cold approach is also frowned on. So that leaves you with friends of friends, which can work, but depends heavily on who your friends are and the quantity of chances you get are slim. And clubs or orgs you join but those are also slow deteriorating with our ever growing online culture. Online da…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:19 PM
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And that man was Hasan Piker lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:37 PM
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Her being cheated on doesn’t change the fact that in her eyes the man is replaceable, which is all anyone is really saying. Also a man replacing her would lend credence to the fact that many people feel the value their SOs provides is indeed replaceable. I respect that you may not hold that view, but this view of one’s partners is definitely a view a lot of people hold nowadays. If you don’t think that’s message of the song, what is the context for these lines. “ don’t you ever get to thinking y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:34 AM
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Hey its not even RP people saying guys are replaceable in a romantic sense. Beyonce has a whole ass song about how replaceable men are in the context of a relationship. Its called irreplaceable if you don't know it. ​ While your relationship with a specific person might not be replaceable , the value that relationship brings to either party can and often is replaced
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:21 AM
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this aint just you. Its an incredibly well documented phenomena
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 11:45 PM
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Easy, swipe limit on men and not women. The problem with dating apps is that men receive too little likes or matches causing them to swipe on more people, whereas women receive too many causing to be even more selective. This creates a massive negative feedback loop. Limiting the amount of matches a man could have to say 5 would drastically reduce men swiping on women they arent that attracted too, and women would have a more accurate sense of who actually wants to date them vs. just fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:56 PM
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