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/r/TheRedPill31/03/15 06:12 AM
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You're in the 99th percentile for lifetime sexual partners there, so congratulations on knowing how to close the deal. (unless 57 is your age, in which case the rest of this comment still applies) That said the correct answer to "how many girls have you slept with?" is always: "haha nothing good can ever come from that number. It will always be either too high or too low. So listen, I won't tell you mine, and I won't ask about yours. Sound cool?" If she keeps asking at that point, you've already…
/r/seduction29/03/15 07:41 AM
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You have zero control over whether friend likes girl. Because you can't control it, you gain nothing by worrying about it. That you're asking for advice instead of talking to him or punching him tells me he's probably maintaining plausible deniability as to how far he goes with his flirting/suggestions. If your relationship is serious (like, has lasted at least a couple months already) then there are some other options and you should ask for advice on a subreddit with more LTR expertise about wh…
/r/seduction28/03/15 08:21 AM
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It's not so much about talking to any specific stereotyped group member first. It's about hitting on one girl without making the group jealous, annoyed, or protective. Immediately talking to the ugliest one first can backfire if the group thinks she's the one you're most interested in and they don't want to get in her way. The point of the "talk to the fat one first" advice people throw around is that the others in a group need to feel acknowledged and included in the conversation (at least unti…
/r/seduction25/03/15 07:49 PM
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You take responsibility for organizing the event. You can delegate tasks to anyone who will follow through if you need help (probably not many tasks for this anyway--you're basically just picking a time, initial meeting spot and a route for the night), but you are responsible for making these outings happen. Invite everyone that you're interested in having along. Don't worry about whether they will come. If they'd rather stay home playing video games, that's not your problem to deal with.
/r/seduction07/03/15 06:10 PM
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Asking to be invited feels awkward. Inviting doesn't. Make "going out" YOUR event and invite everyone to come. If you're the organizer, you get to decide when to go out, and that puts the frequency in your control.
/r/seduction07/03/15 05:42 PM
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Not a lot else to read. Do the silly-sounding sentence stem exercises in the Pillars of Self Esteem book, and then follow through with what you come up with. This should take all of your not-in-field attention for at least several weeks before you want something else to read. All of the rest of your time should be spent actually talking to women or looking for activities to do where people will be. One of the bullet points I almost but didn't add was "less reading more doing" because there have …
/r/seduction07/03/15 04:27 PM
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This is tactically a good practice. However strategically it's just a normal part of confidence and self esteem. When you have those in sufficient amounts, looking where you want to (including eye contact) will come naturally without effort.
/r/seduction06/03/15 06:37 PM
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I'm 31. Anxiety about talking to, asking out or making a move on women was (in my case) caused by a failure to establish correct emotional boundaries. This is part of having/developing self esteem. (for more read The Six Pillars of Self Esteem by Nathaniel Brandon--pure psychology source books are often MUCH better for you than pick-up guides. Don't read the work your teachers write; read what they read.) Improperly curated self esteem is pretty much the root cause of this entire subreddit's exi…
/r/seduction06/03/15 06:30 PM
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You're trying to tackle two problems at once: Holding a conversation Escalating If you can't hold a conversation yet, you probably shouldn't worry about escalating physically too much. Outside of very specific party environments, you've got to be able to do 1 well before you can do 2 without being creepy anyway." But to answer your questions about less desirable women, firstly, don't worry about it too much. Find women who are both not too intimidating but also seem interesting and attractive en…
/r/seduction12/01/15 07:31 AM
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What do you mean by "geared towards men?" I read a fair amount. I've enjoyed Nick Scipio: http://www.nickscipio.com/ story of a guy growing up with nudist/swinger parents and friends (minimal incest though thankfully) And numerous people on the list of "all time long classics" at http://storiesonline.net/home.php particularly the ones by Al Steiner (he's got a weird love for weed, cops and communism, but once you get past that the stories are great) Stories online also has a nice checkbox search…
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:41 AM
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Some of the guys I know who get the hottest girls are pretty ugly. That said, if you can't get her now, you're definitely not going to get her by being her ugly friend for a while. If you like her enough as a person to be just friends, then that's ok, but don't expect anything to happen cause it won't.
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:34 AM
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Not getting what you want sucks. But if you don't feel you could handle just friendship with someone you're attracted to right now, then you did the right thing by being honest about that. Feel better bro.
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:26 AM
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Any time you try "to use her as a platform for developing my skills with women" you're going to have a bad time. If you're not that into her, don't be dishonest about it. That will ruin your vibe, she will smell it, and you're wasting both of your time to boot. If you are into her, why are you trying to pretend she's just training wheels?
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:12 AM
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"this one girl" isn't always one-itis. A man can only learn one set at a time.
/r/seduction22/05/14 06:36 PM
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Great story. I've had a lot of similar experiences. The bits you mentioned that still need improvement definitely go together. Honest communication and escalation are definitely hard. The mindset for those is one of the things that the old bro-school PUA material gets right. Psych yourself up. Decide to go on the count of 5, realize you're being a wuss before you reach 3 and immediately stop what you're doing to go ask her out (get her info, invite her out, or at least ask if she's single). If s…
/r/seduction22/05/14 05:21 AM
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relevant standup
/r/seduction14/12/13 04:36 PM
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I saw this a while ago and I've read almost all of the book and I still don't feel comfortable with the word "vulnerability". The way he describes it seems to give it a meaning that it doesn't have in non-lingo English. That said it's hard to think of a better term.
/r/seduction12/12/13 03:01 AM
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No. Jokes should be for having fun, not revealing something in a way that's designed to let you back out because you're afraid of the reaction. Why do you need to tell her? (That's rhetorical. You don't.) You should have had or should give yourself enough sex ed. so you pretty much know what to expect. The subtleties will still be shocking (omg I didn't realize how squishy a vagina is! omg they said condoms make it so you can't feel as well, but I barely feel anything! omg this orgasm is going t…
/r/seduction11/12/13 10:03 PM
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I've given this kind of advice. Now if I could just follow it myself consistently...
/r/seduction11/12/13 05:12 PM
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she asked me how many women I've slept with, I told her There's your mistake. Nothing good can come from that number for anyone, especially before you're having sex and going steady. It's always either too many or too few or it creates expectations about your skill level or lack thereof. I usually go with the phrase I read Tucker Max use a long long time ago: "hahaha Nothing good can come from that number" and then change the subject to something more fun. "But sex can be fun to talk about. I wa…
/r/seduction10/12/13 11:33 PM
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I always took "cutting girls off to maintain self respect" to apply to completely different situations than the examples you gave. Particularly it was to do with refusing to swallow the shit of being in someone's friend zone. You're right that you should cut the women in your examples off, but only in the sense that you should cut yourself off from them to avoid being a desperate loser. You don't need to lash out, or even do anything at all. In the situations you mentioned it looks more like the…
/r/seduction06/12/13 02:10 AM
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I don't read walls of text, but I read the first few lines and the TLDR. This seems like a good example of the only consistent way to get out of the friendzone: Stop interacting long enough so that you grow apart, stop really being friends and otherwise 'reset' your social roles. Then when you do meet up again, make sure to enforce a different dynamic on yourself immediately.
/r/seduction03/12/13 05:42 PM
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most people here on Seddit seem to be pretty confident Everyone seems amazing on the internet. Believe me we've all got insecurities and neurosis just like you. Not even the pros or naturals are perfect, but it gets better. Hang in there. I've been going to the gym Awesome! keep it up. At your age there will never be a time when it's easier to put on muscle than right now. Get your swole on. my mind still is rightfully telling me I'm still a kissless virgin which gets rid of any confidence I hav…
/r/seduction02/12/13 04:25 PM
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hahaha your username is awesome. I hope the stuff you learn here helps you get your horniness taken care of. good luck! Judging from the age you mentioned in other comments, the biggest thing to overcome is probably the touch barrier. Next time you're in a bed playing cuddle queen, twist around and kiss them. The kissing barrier is HUGE in high school, and as soon as it's broken the doubts about "does she like me that way? is it ok to try something?" are mostly answered. Make touching the people…
/r/seduction25/11/13 06:16 PM
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The American "Justice" system isn't based on what science has shown to be effective discipline. It's based on the retributive reflex of politicians who want to look "tough on crime". This is why we have absurdly long sentences and three strikes laws. There's a great book on how we could do things right called "When Brute Force Fails: how to have less crime and less punishment."
/r/MensRights01/11/13 07:14 AM
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Just in time for Halloween!
/r/seduction25/10/13 08:35 PM
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Confidence comes from practice. What do you practice? The things that confident people do. Yes it's a symptom. All of Inner Game is about treating the cause directly, but treating the symptoms also helps fix the cause. ...and if you don't ever point out specific things that are wrong you're likely to end up with someone who is mentally in the right place, but has a lot of bad habits that hold him back.
/r/seduction23/10/13 11:59 PM
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Prolonged eye contact builds emotional tension and signals that you're not afraid. If you glance over at someone and they immediately study the floor that's their body language telling you they think you have higher social status than they do. If they hold the eye contact that instead communicates that they've found something interesting to look at (maybe you!) and they feel they have the standing to look. After that little smiles and other nonverbal communication build even more tension that ca…
/r/seduction23/10/13 06:17 PM
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how about the people you are not attracted to? You're not signing up to marry them by maintaining a confident eye contact. The reason we drill newbies not to break eye contact is that looking away because you feel caught is a sign of a weak self-conscious person. Confident, valuable high status people look wherever they want for as long as they want and don't worry about other people "catching" them. What's the worst that could happen? Someone you're not attracted to approaches you and tries to …
/r/seduction23/10/13 06:09 PM
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Confidence (the feeling) comes from knowing that you can succeed. This can only come from practice, experience and some from knowledge (but mostly practice). Confidence (the illusion she perceives) comes from real confidence and from an ability to act decisively despite uncertainty which leads into #2 Leading is just making decisions and using confidence in your presentation of them. The easiest way is to have defaults. When she asks "What do you want to do?" it's not important that you have som…
/r/seduction16/10/13 05:55 PM
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/r/seduction25/09/13 04:25 PM
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Whenever I see a post like this where many of the answers seem to be terrible (or at least worse than what's worked for me in the past) I just scroll for RES tags of guys I know to be coaches or moderators or otherwise have some experience authority on the subject.
/r/seduction24/09/13 06:18 PM
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In a word: No. I used to and I think it fucked with my head a bit too. But as I've learned more about what causes it in the first place, I stopped. It's true guys put themselves in a friendzone, and even if/when they learn a little game later, they're rarely able to get themselves out. But this has nothing to do with the girl deciding "oh, him and me have become friends and so therefore I'll never fuck him no matter what." When girls say this, they're just acknowledging that they've never seen a…
/r/seduction21/09/13 03:42 PM
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I think, in this one case, defiantly also works.
/r/seduction19/09/13 07:42 PM
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lol At that point, if she managed to sputter agreement to the water, I'd totally follow through on it.
/r/seduction19/09/13 07:41 PM
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Good post. One tangent: women consistently rate all men low on the 10 point scale, so if you got a 7/10 on your "rate me" thread, that's actually something like 90 percentile. Congrats on being quite an attractive male.
/r/seduction12/09/13 02:38 PM
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It's not a very long book, and one of the recommendations is to read more/learn to read faster, so your first step in applying the concepts in the book should be to read the book. ;)
/r/seduction20/08/13 08:16 PM
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Since it's a Star Wars reference, I'm gonna get nerdy on you. Despite what that philosophical moron Lucas may have intended, but sides are extremely flawed (which is why I've always been disappointed at the power sacrifice and lack of story support for playing a Grey Jedi in the games). The Jedi are not that good. They suppress emotion unilaterally and thereby give up on things like love. They see the desire to live forever as evil, and actively work against those who want to extend life beyond …
/r/seduction20/08/13 05:45 PM
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I failed to guess correctly on this one about a month ago, but I think know what I did wrong. It's generally not a big deal, but it is annoying when it happens. My notes-to-self for improving are mostly making things clearly sexual as soon as I decide I want a sexual relationship instead of a platonic one. The reason I guessed wrong was that I was talking to a girl who I'd gotten to know first, and wasn't particularly interested in picking up until she started flirting with me. Many women are re…
/r/seduction14/08/13 05:36 PM
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lol that actually happened to me once. I played up the awkwardness on purpose and it wasn't that big a deal. If her mom's died recently and she's still not over it, then she's probably not going to be in a place that you're going to want to date for a while anyway.
/r/seduction14/08/13 04:00 AM
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Thanks! :) Is this part of your profession? I wish. (I don't actually wish. It would be great fun, but I'm focused on something else now that really matters to me.). I'm mostly just reciting what I've done with myself to try to become more touch-positive. I grew up in a family where mother hugged fairly often, but dad and mom didn't hug/kiss very often. I think the best thing anyone can do for their kids to show them that it's normal for adults who like each other to touch often.
/r/seduction13/08/13 05:31 PM
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Have you ever hit one of your friends in the arm when they told a teasing joke? A great place to start getting over your phobias is to start with a light touch on the arm next time you're both laughing hard. Make it a light touch that only stays for a second or so, and remember that this is something most people do naturally with their friends and significant others when they laugh. If you're really nervous about an open hand touch, do it with the knuckles of a relaxed fist as if it were a punch…
/r/seduction13/08/13 04:44 PM
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Right, I'm not at all recommending that anyone spend their first chat over tea asking these types questions. Just giving the interaction a positive spin for the lady who wrote in.
/r/seduction11/08/13 07:28 PM
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I knew a guy with a similar story (minus the BDSM) names Manuel. This guy was actually quite a bit bigger than OP, but he's now happily married to one of the hot curvy blondes that used to fawn over him. Dudes get away with a lot body-wise
/r/seduction11/08/13 07:04 PM
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During small talk after class or between climbs casually say "we should go out for a beer some time" When they say "yeah that sounds fun" say "give me your number". Alternatively say "I'm starving. We should go grab some food after this". Invite them over to your place or another gym to practice--any venue that's not the class venue brings you together because you went together (same concept as leading in pickup). People love it when you plan an evening and invite them along because most people …
/r/seduction11/08/13 06:59 PM
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I'm confused. This reader should be grateful! These men have deal breaking expectations of her, yet they're polite enough to display those expectations immediately instead of leading her on. I can empathize with her disappointment at not finding the Mr. Right yet, but these types of efficient experiences are still victories!
/r/seduction11/08/13 06:14 PM
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The easiest successes I've had that a 17 yr old might replicate have been: Any interaction with my little sister's friends Parties/gatherings of friends of friends where I pretty much only knew the people who invited me, but they introduced me to everyone. At 17 you don't really have a designated place to go and mean strangers besides the cafeteria. Check out the advice on 'day-game' if you're looking to practice on strangers.
/r/seduction27/07/13 07:44 AM
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If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. It's great when girls put in the work to setup a date, but if you rely on that you're going to have fewer dates. The gender norm of the male initiator is still in strong effect at least in US culture. There's nothing wrong with communicating when you're unavailable--especially after you've been on a few dates together already. But don't expect her to put in a lot of effort before you have a relationship.
/r/seduction19/07/13 02:02 PM
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Show interest in me as a person and not just in winning a game that I'm not even playing. Everyone's playing the game including you. Being interested in you as a person is how people win the game. The only way to not play is to go home and not talk to anyone. Having game is not the same as "being gamed" or "playing games". It has nothing to do with snookering people, and everything to do with having fun during social interaction. It's a subtle but important difference. Your advice isn't wrong pe…
/r/seduction17/07/13 07:06 PM
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How much older? I'm 29 and have been involved with several women in their late 30s and 40s over the past couple of years. They love it just as much as a 40 year old dude would love to bang 27 year old women. Women in their early 30s and late 20s though are going to be slightly tougher for a younger guy because they're not that nostalgic for being young yet. There are only a few real differences in how you game them. These women have experience (usually). It's hard to sell yourself as the most ex…
/r/seduction16/07/13 04:06 PM
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The problem is that while it's plausible to suspect that there might be some under-reporting, there's no way to quantify it. Because there's no way to quantify it, there's no way to know if any action we could take (assuming there is any) would be proportional. For example, if 50% go unreported that's a big problem and would justify action. But if only 0.001% go unreported, that's not a big problem and taking strong action against it would waste time and money that would be better spent on other…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 05:41 AM
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“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens If they want to play the "statistics are probably wrong" game, they have to accept that the stats might be wrong against their beliefs too. How? Well what if under-reporting is more than made up for by false accusations for example? As you said, there's no way of knowing which is correct, so your only options are 1. accept the available data 2. Try to obtain better data.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 05:27 AM
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Well read and well said. I also think most in MRM would totally agree with this. The only reason I don't actively come to this sub anymore is that the level of frustration I experience reading about this stuff is bad for my mental wellbeing. The style of shame-ranting of R2W/3W femarxists, the seemly slow progress, and the public's regrettable confusion of them with enlightenment-individualist feminists makes this a very hard battle. Many thanks to you and everyone who continues to fight it.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 05:34 PM
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I usually like Vice for their great video reporting on topics ignored by other sources, but sometimes they fuck up hard. Seduction seems to be pathologically misunderstood by people who've been addled by women's studies professors. It's especially common among people on the left. To them, everything short of self-castration is rape. It pisses me off when they can't get through their head the difference between telling someone to actively pursue a woman and telling him to rape her. It's even wors…
/r/seduction01/07/13 03:20 PM
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Very interesting. College I'm a bit less surprised by as there are actually more women than men going to university now, and women who are focused on a career and school are often not very open to starting relationships at the same time. Edit: For anyone not clever with URLs, here's the study this chart is from
/r/seduction01/07/13 12:03 AM
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Whether an any given type of relationship is worthwhile depends completely on what you personally want. There are no wrong choices when it comes to wants.
/r/seduction16/06/13 01:41 AM
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If you don't already think you're awesome, you're comparing yourself to the wrong people.
/r/seduction28/05/13 07:57 AM
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"Dibs" is claiming something by right of wanting it first. "Shotgun" is claiming the front passenger seat before reaching the car for a trip. If you "call shotgun" people ahead of you are supposed to choose other seats. Both of these are playful and somewhat juvenile so if others aren't in the mood they can be ignored and considered annoying.
/r/seduction17/05/13 10:59 PM
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Delusions don't make me happy. That's why I'd want to know. You might be right and it's luck, that there's a situation for each person that would make them cheat, but I think there are people for whom that situation is pretty amazingly unrealistic. I can't really imagine such a situation for myself. I know people who claim to have the kind of relationship I want. They don't have any delusions about having a mathematical proof that they won't cheat, otherwise it wouldn't be "trust". But they tell…
/r/seduction15/05/13 10:57 PM
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I agree that how many people she's slept with before the relationship isn't important because she hadn't made any commitment to me then. There was no trust to be broken. As long as she's clean, it doesn't matter and I don't want to know. But after the relationship's serious cheating is a completely different thing. If she confessed I might still want to continue the relationship, but I'd at least want to know. If she doesn't tell me, then the trust in our relationship is a lie and as long as I s…
/r/seduction15/05/13 08:31 PM
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We're also in our mid-30s, and you'd be surprised at how much your opinions on that change lol you vastly underestimate my age. :) As far as preventing it, I'm pretty sure there are women out there who wouldn't. I haven't experienced any consistent way to identify them though.
/r/seduction15/05/13 05:52 PM
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If I were your friend, I'd want to be told. It'd make me unhappy initially, but finding out something is true doesn't make it worse.
/r/seduction15/05/13 02:42 PM
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Loyal people recognize when someone is trying to create those feelings and shuts them the fuck down before it gets out of hand. They do it voluntarily because they care more about what they have than about what they could get. It's rare, but it exists.
/r/seduction15/05/13 02:40 PM
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nice job. also, new jersey.
/r/seduction14/05/13 05:00 AM
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haha I read it as "just deployed to Kandahar" instead of "just got back from deployment". Big difference. :P
/r/seduction28/04/13 02:58 AM
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It's going to be hard meeting normal women in Kandahar.
/r/seduction28/04/13 12:34 AM
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ok I'll bite. What was the first?
/r/seduction23/04/13 04:33 AM
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You can learn to take 99.9% of bras off easily by looking at the mechanics of 1 bra for 20 seconds. Do laundry for your mom/sister or spend 3 minutes in Victoria's Secret pretending to shop for your girlfriend. Whatever it takes--you don't need long. The clasp and straps are usually hooks something like this: ________________ __________C_ The C is a series of verticaly aligned hooks that go into little loops on the bottom strap Find the end of the strap that's on top (farthest from skin). Clasp …
/r/seduction22/04/13 08:07 PM
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You're over thinking this. Pickup is ART, as much as we'd sometimes like it to be science. She recognized you and smiled. Smile back, everything's fine. You can't blow it by not asking her out unless you wait so long she gets involved with some other guy. You don't need a reason to walk over to her beyond the fact you want to talk to her. If it's right before the bell just ask for her number before she/you have to run off. Relaxed, playful conversation just takes practice. Practice talking to st…
/r/seduction17/04/13 08:07 PM
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I wasn't.
/r/seduction07/04/13 06:26 PM
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I don't care about defending herself. I just hate that phrase and don't want to see morons using it. Sorry if it came off as a lameo white knighting. I don't like that either.
/r/seduction07/04/13 05:56 PM
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Absolutely, and I like that seddit is nonjudgmental enough to accommodate both. I can see where it might be confusing as to which type particular advice is aimed at though.
/r/seduction07/04/13 05:50 PM
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dude, even struck out, tits or GTFO isn't cool. That phrase was originally used on anonymous forums to shut up annoying posters who tried to get attention because of their being (or pretending to be) a woman. It worked great. Then, random socially inept assholes like you started using it on EVERY woman, even when they were being cool and their gender was relevant to the discussion. Stop it.
/r/seduction07/04/13 05:45 PM
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haha yeah I suck at dialog. it should be: [something smooth and classing that clearly communicates he's looking for a hookup tonight, but isn't a douche who's ALWAYS looking for ONLY hookups]
/r/seduction07/04/13 05:38 PM
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There are some decent insights in this huge wall of text. I agree honking is never cool. It also doesn't work outside of lonely homesteads. Who was that honk for? No one's going to notice a horn in the city. A lot of PUAs focus on one night stands, hookups and FWBs because that lifestyle gives you a ton of practice in meeting and attracting women. If you want to become skilled instead of lucky, lots of practice is the answer. It's also where they usually stop because it's the lifestyle they're a…
/r/seduction07/04/13 05:33 PM
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He's no where near the origin of this idea either. Shit has been around for ages (although it's only recently entering the popular consciousness).
/r/seduction17/03/13 06:50 AM
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If you have a conversation like the terrible example in #2, you don't understand WTF you're doing. You're not creating attraction. You're just being mean. A little teasing is fine but only if it's funny to her and the imaginary dude in this conversation clearly isn't funny. It's also important to inversely match how much teasing you do to how likely it is that the girl will laugh at it. If you tease a shy or un-confident 6 at all, she's probably not going to respond well because she'll unconscio…
/r/seduction15/03/13 07:46 PM
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Congrats, you just started the worst dating-advice thread I've read in a long while. It's not your fault. Somehow this question just brought out the most ho-ha bullshit I've read on seddit in quite a while.
/r/seduction26/02/13 06:52 AM
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Don't worry about the BS you find in this thread. Redditers as a group aren't known for being above average in social skills, so it's no surprise to see blatantly false pop-psych getting upvoted. There's nothing wrong with a girl who has mostly male friends. In my experience you just have to be aware that likely several of her guy friends are just dudes who failed to get into her pants and will actively cockblock you.
/r/seduction26/02/13 06:47 AM
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Hopefully you're doing the smart thing and going to a community college for your first two years. If not, transfer to one. It will save you money, and give you a social reset without any work. If you go back to your small school a year later people won't really remember your past gaffs.
/r/seduction19/02/13 07:00 PM
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You're misunderstanding what "alpha" means. Alpha in the seddit context has nothing to do with avoiding vulnerability or intimacy. It's about knowing/setting your boundaries so that you and her can respect each other. Alpha is about having strong inner game and being in control of yourself, relationships are about sharing each other's lives. tl;dr there isn't an inherent conflict if you understand what alpha actually is.
/r/seduction07/02/13 07:22 AM
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Please don't insult people here. Any time people are trying to change themselves for the better there is a certain amount of "fake it until you make it", but that is not the same as "being fake". Being fake and putting others down is not what Seddit is about. You and many others negatively to the lingo (HB, PUA, AFC, neg, alpha, kino, frame, set) and the beginner techniques. But that lingo has the important purpose of slapping guys who aren't cool yet out of their stupor, and encapsulating commo…
/r/seduction05/02/13 03:07 AM
1

Yeah that was definitely annoying, but there's some good stuff later I promise.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 07:47 PM
1

Not completely. I'm in the same boat goal-wise. I think there are definitely a lot of people here who are not like us, and they strongly influence the tone. But at the same time the material is often solid, or at least adaptable. I'd recommend looking at David DeAngelo's stuff. He tends to avoid a lot of the lingo that can make things sound artificial. And he tends to be more mature about what he presents and how he presents it.
/r/seduction22/01/13 12:03 PM
1

Responding to shit tests like a needy AFC won't get you into a relationship either. A lot of people seem to think that seddit is about going from a normal guy who gets 1 maybe 2 semi-long term relationships per year with girls he settles for to being an mega-jock who gets 150+ one night stands with celebrity models per year, but that's not really true. It's aimed at guys who never get laid or go on dates because they don't give any women a reason to be attracted to them ever. There's no initial …
/r/seduction22/01/13 03:21 AM
2

If you're cool, she won't ask you "shit tests" Lots of guys aren't cool yet, so "being your real self" won't work for them. One of the big values of /r/seduction is giving men a crutch so that they can talk to people long enough to learn something about how to be cool. No hate.
/r/seduction21/01/13 08:37 AM
1

A lot of guys--and especially the ones that need the most help with women--aren't interesting or attractive when they're genuine because they have low self esteem, social anxiety, they're not funny, interesting or creative, and they're nervous. Often these things are partially a result of being bad with women. It's a vicious cycle that's hard to get out of. So in order to get out of the rut, these guys have to change who they are. Seddit often details techniques and ideas that are crutches, and …
/r/seduction21/01/13 08:32 AM
1

True, but if you have weak game, and you're trying to get laid ASAP, including alcohol is scientifically proven to make everyone slightly more likely to sleep with someone else. (hopefully you!) Personally I go out for tea on all of my first dates now. I've found a way to make it unique, I don't like coffee, I like tea and how tea ups the energy level, I have a low tolerance for alcohol and my stomach tends to reject it when I have first-date nerves. (nothing worse than having to "nonchalantly" …
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:52 AM
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It's a wise generalisation. Not all ruin you, but enough do, and the consequences are severe enough that it's not worth the risk. If you're still learning game, you should keep practicing--on other girls. If you've already got enough game to pick any girl you want, there's no reason to choose a crazy one.
/r/seduction06/01/13 11:15 PM
3

I've upvoted everyone (you to!) who responded negatively to my comment. I was pretty sure it was wrong, but it's my honest thought process when I hear tit-for-tat bullshit like the OP. It's strongly worded because my reaction to it is strong, but everyone's right that expressing it isn't going to help when someone's screwed up enough to go make the offense in the first place. Thanks to everyone for the constructive criticisms.
/r/seduction04/01/13 09:37 PM
1

I sorta meant it to be. It's funny because it's true!
/r/MensRights04/01/13 06:17 AM
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I don't think this is the right answer, but it's what I'd feel like saying: "It's not ok for you to make threats against our relationship like that. If I say something that honestly hurts you then say so and I'll apologize, but if you're going to punish both of us just to win a round of playful banter then you're not the kind of girl I'm looking for." pros: It's honest. Shows she can't control you with unhealthy threats. cons: heavy/breaks the mood Might work if you can use a better tone and del…
/r/seduction04/01/13 01:49 AM
17

Do something to help prevent AIDS in Uganda Tell everyone in Uganda that doing this will prevent AIDS Everyone in Uganda believes they are now safe from AIDS Everyone in Uganda gets AIDS. Why are we surprised?
/r/MensRights04/01/13 01:35 AM
1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjln7KLQgNg edit: This is a joke. Don't be a sitcom character.
/r/seduction02/01/13 01:20 PM
1

School.
/r/seduction02/01/13 10:36 AM
1

PUAnick does a good job of pointing out the correct definition of inner game. Speaking to a girl when you haven't ever done it can be a big step. Any time you have serious trouble try scaling back a bit. Go for a walk at the mall or some other crowded place. Your goal is to smile at any woman who makes eye contact. Hot, average, fat doesn't matter. Keep walking so it doesn't get weird or escalate to something you're not comfortable with. Then when you're comfortable doing that, see if you can ho…
/r/seduction02/01/13 07:44 AM
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Rule #1 if you're doing something that works keep doing it. If you change after you're officially together, then you're not giving her what she signed up for. The result is inevitable. Good luck in 2013!
/r/seduction02/01/13 05:00 AM
3

how can mra's get annoyed at feminists/women who treat men like potential rapists when they are treating women like potential false accusers? That's a big exaggeration on both gender's behaviors. Women carry mace in their purse because it's a good defense against the one in ten thousand guy out their who'd rape a stranger (99% of rapes are people the victim knows). Men get taped consent and a text message confirming that the night was fun because it's a good defense against the one in ten thousa…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 12:20 PM
0

That's completely different because it was public and not anonymous. Lulu is still shady as fuck, but the reviews are anonymous and they keep men out so that you can't read your own reviews. If this guy had done that, it might not have gone so badly for him.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 10:23 AM
1

From the Lulu FAQ: What is Lulu Dude? Lulu Dude is a separate app we created for the boys because we do not let them into the original Lulu. Guys don’t see what the girls see. We let them select their relationship status and profile picture and we encourage them to get their “fan base” to review them. Lulu Dude is also a place for guys to get self-improvement tips. Think of Lulu Dude as Cosmo for guys. So if any men are retarded enough to support this while still being unable to see reviews of t…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 10:21 AM
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I disagree, and I think that the "creep culture" decried in this article is exactly where negative opinions of PUAs come from. Sex is hard to separate from emotional attachment for me as well--I couldn't handle the one-night-stand lifestyle for long without a mental breakdown. But we shouldn't look down on those who do. I quietly cheer them on because they're sharing their level of experience with new male/female interactions that men who are more interested in longer term relationships would ne…
/r/MensRights16/12/12 10:26 AM
2

one example is women who, while exploring naked fun with some happy gentleman, will initiate condomless sex without even asking if he's cool with that. I can definitely relate to this as it happened to me a couple of months ago. I invited an otherwise great older woman to my place from a party. We got to the bedroom and without any fanfair she got on top and sat down bareback. I'm feel very strongly about condom use, because there are so many diseases (including pregnancy) that you can't always …
/r/MensRights16/12/12 10:08 AM
2

trickle down REGANOMICS!! :)
/r/MensRights15/12/12 05:36 AM
1

I'm not talking about government action, I'm talking about individual action. Protests work in part because they impose a cost on the entity they're protesting against through lost business and significant employee time spent dealing with the fallout. That's the financial burden I'm talking about. Government penalties would be equally as unjust and discriminatory as the laws feminists have already put on the books against men. Working in academics isn't enough. talks at universities are obscure …
/r/MensRights14/12/12 10:44 PM
1

I get that and agree with you. I'd be less hostile to daily mail posts if there were a call to action here. As is it's basically man-hating porn to confirm us in our viewpoint that men face discrimination, and this is confirmed by all the comments which just say "yeah she is evil for hating men" and imply "yeah this article make me feel angry/shitty also, thanks!" Are we doing anything beyond bitching in our private subreddit? I think most men here are already convinced that there are problems--…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 05:20 PM
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As others have said, stop linking things from the DailyMail. That said, this reminds me of a story my dad loves to tell: When I was being potty trained my mom constantly exclaimed how "girls are so much easier" but she hadn't met my little sister yet.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 08:32 AM
1

This. Also, as with arguments on the internet, it's easier to get a positive response if by avoiding the second person. When someone says "you" as the subject of a sentence, it personalizes the argument and invokes are reflexive deny/defend response. Use the third person instead.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 06:06 AM
1

This woman is sadly confused. The men's rights movement hasn't really done much yet. It's just getting started and certainly hasn't caused any cultural shifts. It's the co-opted version of feminism that's done many of the things she's complaining about. The things she lists that weren't caused by feminism are things that only exist in isolated cases of psychos. MRAs don't hate women or think women should be "in their place". We just want equitable treatment and to not be viewed with suspicion an…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 05:51 AM
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It's not "playing" when it's actually happening. The whole point of viral fads is to spread awareness and make men's rights part of pop culture. When you're trying to change culture, you do it through creating new culture. There are definitely legal changes that need to be made, but those follow from culture--we'll never get them without change culture also so that they have popular support.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 02:59 PM
2

You're right that a lot of normal people identify with the label, but sane people haven't been in charge since the 70s. I'm not optimistic about it.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 06:29 AM
2

This is a good try by the judge, but given the lack of paternal rights he may not have a choice if a woman gets it into her head that she wants his baby.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 09:15 PM
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I took it as a person without knowledge of the relevant movements mistaking "feminism" for "Egalitarianism" and feminists for those seeking equality in general.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 09:11 PM
1

True but if you want a biological child badly enough, sometimes you have to be dumb to get one.
/r/MensRights09/12/12 07:21 AM
1

30 miles isn't that far to drive. You should definitely push for 50/50 custody (sending the kid to a school in the middle). You get him for 2 weeks, then she gets him for 2 weeks.
/r/MensRights09/12/12 07:11 AM
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If your lawyer is agreeing with her lawyer, you need to get a new lawyer.
/r/MensRights09/12/12 07:03 AM
2

If your lawyer is agreeing with hers all the time, you should probably fire him and get one who's on your side. If you just mean that your lawyer is saying "she's probably going to win this" then nvm.
/r/MensRights09/12/12 06:58 AM
2

Warren Farrell's full talk.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 08:24 PM
2

This poster is terrible. Rape is a form of sex. My high school English teacher would be livid.
/r/MensRights05/12/12 04:49 PM
0

I think the problem is differing assumptions about the relative proportions of the two types of "feminists" among those who call themselves feminists. Are man-bashers and female-supremacists really in the minority? I'm not sure.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 02:14 AM
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Fuck that bullshit. You've obviously not been in serious physical fights much, because if you'd been in a couple you'd know that controlling another person enough physically to keep them off without hurting them is very difficult. Even if they're smaller and weaker than you, they can pretty much do what they want if they don't care about hurting you, but you care about not hurting them. This is one of the things that makes cops bitch and moan a lot because they're supposed to use minimal force, …
/r/MensRights24/11/12 03:06 AM
1

My point is that if the bar is enforcing a 1-1 ratio they're discriminating no matter what. The tool to accomplish this is either a line or price. There's really no difference. If people are allowed to do one way there's no reason they shouldn't be able to do it the other way. Some clubs might prefer to use price because it attracts rich men instead of patient men and they should be allowed to do that. 1-0 ratio is different because if you completely ban a class of people you won't have to deal …
/r/MensRights05/11/12 08:34 AM
2

Which part? If you can't charge different prices based on gender you've lost one of your best tools for creating different incentives/disincentives to control the gender ratio in your establishment. As an extreme example, what if you wanted to make a hotrod themed dance club where the gender ratio was always 1 woman to 1 man. If mostly men are interested in hotrod themed dance clubs you need some other incentive to attract women and repel men so that you get the appropriate ratio most of the tim…
/r/MensRights05/11/12 12:06 AM
1

Fair enough. I guess I'm just ignorant of the motivation for rape. I like rough sex as much as the next guy, but knowing she's not into it seems like such a huge turn off that I can't even imagine where the motivation comes from.
/r/MensRights04/11/12 11:55 PM
0

You're fighting a strawman. There's a difference between "uh.. why did you go where you knew it was a dangerous situation?" and "You were in a dangerous situation, so it's your fault you got hurt." No one is arguing for the latter. Don't confuse good advice or puzzlement with someone's lack of caution with blaming the victim. They are not the same thing. Also, IF the victim had gone a different way home or not gone to the party or whatever, it's perfectly accurate to say that the rape then would…
/r/MensRights04/11/12 11:51 PM
10

"you shouldn't walk down that street because there are rapists there." or "that street has people who will rape you if you wear a revealing outfit. You probably shouldn't go there wearing that." is not the same as "you went down that street when you knew it was dangerous so you got what deserved" or "You wore that revealing clothing so it's your fault that person raped you." The difference is important. The second is victim blaming and should never be done. The first is good advice, and while it…
/r/MensRights04/11/12 08:41 PM
3

No one but, what qualifies as consent?
/r/MensRights04/11/12 08:35 PM
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women getting raped because they were dressed in revealing clothing Does that even happen outside of the middle east? (where AFAIK it's done as punishment for the clothes rather than because of the actual attractiveness of the clothes)
/r/MensRights04/11/12 08:30 PM
-1

I wish I had your optimism.
/r/MensRights04/11/12 08:21 PM
0

The first problem with making discrimination illegal is that the government is hamhanded. Relatively minor offenses now ruin people's lives by putting them on sexual offender lists. Zero tolerance policies pushed by look-tough politicians don't allow people to learn from their mistakes or find where the boundaries are. They create needless amounts of fear while giving an undue amounts of power to those classes who are stereotypically victims. Government enforcement also protects bigots from the …
/r/MensRights04/11/12 04:59 PM
1

Shouldn't happen, but it appears to be happening.
/r/MensRights04/11/12 04:19 PM
-1

If I had an XBOX I'd definitely skip this game over this retarded policy thing. Remembering not to call people certain names while drunk and in the middle of a heated match is retarded, awkward and not fun.
/r/MensRights04/11/12 04:18 PM
4

This makes me glad I don't own an XBox. One spontaneous "goddamit that whore killed me again!" and they ban from a game you paid for? fuck that. I'm not sure I agree with your ideas on the things this will cause, but I agree it's not a solution. It's definitely a culture clash. Men tend to assume that other gamers are men (statistically they're right in the games they play). Men also use trash talking as a normal part of the gaming rivalry/friendships developed online. Some women are able to han…
/r/MensRights04/11/12 04:09 PM
-3

Average men who go topless don't have women struggling not to get caught staring at their pecs the way men stare at breasts (even average ones). Whether that's cultural or natural, it's not the same.
/r/MensRights03/11/12 10:13 PM
2

You know what else is a tremendous physical and emotional undertaking? Earning enough money to pay for a child to reach age 18.
/r/MensRights03/11/12 06:19 AM
2

I'm still waiting for Fredericks of Hollywood to have a men's section with undergarments that accentuate my wallet.
/r/MensRights01/11/12 02:54 PM
7

Hey kids, Feel Your Balls, so you don't get cancer!
/r/MensRights01/11/12 02:24 PM
3

any people is too many people when it comes to taking communism seriously. :(
/r/MensRights31/10/12 08:46 AM
2

On the plus side, I found MRA because I saw some BS someone posted on SRS that a friend linked me to. There's no such thing as bad publicity!
/r/MensRights31/10/12 08:32 AM
0

The truth is supposed to be an absolute defense against libel. (as long as it's not a misleading partial truth) Not always the case though since our "justice" system isn't.
/r/MensRights31/10/12 08:19 AM
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It was an accurate example, and it's not assault cause he didn't touch the guy.
/r/MensRights31/10/12 08:06 AM
1

hmmm might work. Would be more difficult to prove it's her when mostly all you hear is "ooo aa! oh god!"
/r/MensRights30/10/12 06:12 AM
2

If it actually got rid of it for good. He could probably hire a hit on her for 20k.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 09:34 AM
3

I'm tempted to crosspost to /r/nottheonion for free karma.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 09:33 AM
1

She's a terrible mother and an entitled whore. This is a terrible story about a terrible. woman.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 09:31 AM
1

This is actually brilliant. How do you do it without 10239481 GB of HD space?
/r/MensRights29/10/12 08:36 AM
1

This scenario is one of my all time worst/most-scarily-a-possibility-in-real-life nightmares. Others are giving great advice here. Best of luck to you sir.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 08:34 AM
3

These poor friendzoned shmucks are need to make a rule for themselves: never buy her shit until after she starts sleeping with you.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 04:39 PM
0

Clicked for topless photo. Was disappointed.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:22 PM
2

First, birth control, and openness to potential employers about your intention to have a career instead of children means you have a lot of control. Second I imagine you're just as frustrated as the men who have absolutely no control over the strict liability to provide child support for whatever children women decide to have with their sperm--even if the woman lies about being on birth control, sabotages condoms or steals the sperm in secret. Even a negative paternity test isn't a complete defe…
/r/MensRights18/10/12 03:36 PM
2

I'm ambivalent on that act because, as I understand them, neither the pre LLFPA precedent set by SOTA nor the post LLFPA law are quite right. The statute of limitations is intended to ensure that people don't ignore perceived wrong doing and allow it (and its potentially expensive legal consequences) to fester. In setting rules the balancing force to that is to make sure that people can sue after they discover a wrong, even if the wrong has existed for a long time. Before LLFPA, employees needed…
/r/MensRights18/10/12 06:06 AM
2

Nice username. It'd probably be appropriate on me too. :/ I think one of the big things people miss is that "women have babies" is a true statement and even though many women are spending less time raising kids and more time working, it still is rightfully a factor in the hiring decision. Employers, especially in higher paying office jobs, often want someone who will stick with the company for 5+ years, and there is a risk that a woman will want to quit earlier than that to have children. You ca…
/r/MensRights18/10/12 05:32 AM
2

I'd tell you that that's definitely not true most of the time. In the cases where that is true it's not because of discrimination, it's because women made choices that prevented them from getting certain other choices. e.g. if you choose to work part time for 18 years you can't choose to be a VP because you haven't made the choices to climb the corporate ladder.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 05:13 AM
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