TheChosenOne570 Archive

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7	My rant about unequal treatment in the workplace.	Story	TheChosenOne570	/r/MensRights	21/06/14 09:21 PM

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1	My rant about unequal treatment in the workplace. I know I shouldn't have taken the conversation there. I mean, professionally speaking. That being said, you understand the double standard there. And, to be honest, much worse has been said over the time I've been there (someone offering the boss's daughter $20 to jerk off a slow guy comes to mind... which was simply laughed off). It simply comes down to who the wants to make noise, really. And, in this case, the person (persons?) that wanted to make noise had no problem ignoring the rest of the…	/r/MensRights	21/06/14 10:12 PM
1	My rant about unequal treatment in the workplace. I doubt it. I've worked for this company for 15 years. I know many people in upper management and HR. And, they know me well enough to understand. However, if serious ramifications would abound, I refused to discuss the topic. I learned from losing a previous job over comments I didn't even make that the best way to approach it is to refuse to comment. I did, however, say that 'even if' I said such a thing, its certainly much more offensive to talk about cutting off my pecker... "just saying ;)"…	/r/MensRights	21/06/14 09:54 PM
2	My rant about unequal treatment in the workplace. Sorry. Clarified. (1) and (2) were the same person. So, 3 people didn't get in trouble for joking/laughing about genital mutilation and unequal treatment in the workplace. One person gets in trouble for making a bad masturbation joke (this guy).	/r/MensRights	21/06/14 09:34 PM
11	White House: The '77 cents' wage gap figure isn't accurate, but they'll use it anyway The numbers came from a "study" that was done over FOUR decades ago. They took the average take home pay of men and women while ignoring: profession (men work more dangerous jobs. You don't hear about 11 men dying on the job for every 1 woman, do you?) experience (men enter the work force at an earlier age than women, work later into life, and take less time off from work) hours worked. While the study included only full time and salaried people, men still worked many more hours per week than wo…	/r/MensRights	09/04/14 01:17 AM
1	Found this on Huff. Post. 26 Lessons your son's future spouse will thank you for teaching him. #1. What the actual F? thank you. I refuse to click on any Huff Po links	/r/MensRights	03/03/14 07:37 PM
1	This double standard on "Pro-Choice" has always bugged me You are getting off track. You claimed the child has a "right" (lol everyone has a "right" to everything it seems) to being supported by both parents. "By default," no less lol. Can you say "begging the question?" I've already explained my point, you don't get it. Its not worth the effort at this point. I have nothing else to add to the conversation and you'll keep crying about "rights" and "by default" rather than addressing any actual argument. Good day.	/r/MensRights	27/01/14 10:53 AM
1	This double standard on "Pro-Choice" has always bugged me Why do you claim that the child does not have it though? Why do you claim otherwise? Because of the law? If that's the case, what's the point of responding to anything here? We all know the law. There would be no debate. Legally, we are obligated to support the child even if we don't want it and she does. Therefore, the conversation is about morality. BUT, who put the child in that position? The person that decided to have the child even when the father doesn't want it. So, if you want to talk a…	/r/MensRights	27/01/14 02:19 AM
1	This double standard on "Pro-Choice" has always bugged me I did address it. It is the guardian/caregiver/whoever wants the responsibility to fund that child. If the mother puts the child in a situation where they are incapable of caring for it, I would argue that's poor parenting at best and neglect/incompetence at worst. The child should be treated like my nephew was when my sister was considered in capable of carrying for him (long story, involves drugs): find a family member or family friend to take over legal custody or lose the child to adoptive s…	/r/MensRights	26/01/14 07:11 PM
2	This double standard on "Pro-Choice" has always bugged me Adoption? Not that it should matter. She's the one that put herself in an moral predicament. It is not someone else's responsibility to carry your moral burden.	/r/MensRights	26/01/14 07:03 PM
8	This double standard on "Pro-Choice" has always bugged me No. If the woman wants a child and the father does not and she decides to keep the child, that is on her. She still has all the optioned mentioned by others: morning after, abortion, adoption, etc. It might be a little different if the guy got her pregnant, asked her to keep it, then left after a few years. Other than that, its completely on her. Personally, I feel if you want children YOU should be able to support them. It doesn't matter if you are a single mom/dad or a couple. It is your respo…	/r/MensRights	26/01/14 12:57 PM
20	My OKCupid experiment is over. FINALLY was deleted/banned. x-post /r/OKCupid When I see something like this, I think two things: what do YOU look like? what do the girls you message look like? Its easy to have sex when you look like Adam Levine, not so much when you look like Danny DeVito. And, if you are fucking Rosie O'Donnells, its not really that impressive either way.	/r/seduction	07/01/14 01:30 AM
0	Funny how stupid something can sound when you apply the same logic elsewhere - Kidwalk If he can't claim bullying made him a better person, then how can one claim the opposite (bullying ruined one's life)? But, ultimately, I suppose it comes down to your definition of making someone a "better person." Personally, I think the sooner you learn how life works, the better off you'll be in the long run... so, yeah, if he learned from his experiences, then I would say it made him a better person	/r/MensRights	09/12/13 01:02 AM
0	Funny how stupid something can sound when you apply the same logic elsewhere - Kidwalk And, we have no idea how people would turn out if no one was bullied. Where does this leave us? The difference is that kahow1107 could probably tell you about the life lessons he learned as a direct result of being bullied.	/r/MensRights	09/12/13 12:36 AM
0	Funny how stupid something can sound when you apply the same logic elsewhere - Kidwalk You are right. Lets shelter kids from everything that could be harmful. It works so well with sex and violent video games and alcohol and drugs. Protecting children from shit that will happen does nothing to help them as adults. People don't stop being assholes when they are children. I know I will never convince you. I don't care. But, if I would ever have children (cue the "god, lets hope you don't" talking from your ass comment) I certainly wouldn't shelter them from anything. They need to un…	/r/MensRights	09/12/13 12:32 AM
-1	Funny how stupid something can sound when you apply the same logic elsewhere - Kidwalk Sounds like you are making an excuse to feel sorry for yourself. I didn't say it didn't affect me... I'm saying it affected me in a positive way. Not everyone in life is going to be nice to you. Crying because someone is mean to you doesn't help you in life. Some people like me learn fast. Others blame their inability to cope on their bullies when they would have been just as emotionally weak with or without their bullies.	/r/MensRights	08/12/13 10:42 PM
0	Funny how stupid something can sound when you apply the same logic elsewhere - Kidwalk I guess I'm the exception? I've never had self-esteem issues.	/r/MensRights	08/12/13 02:52 PM
7	Funny how stupid something can sound when you apply the same logic elsewhere - Kidwalk I turned out to be okay because I was bullied. Not everything in life is unicorns and rainbows. If you learn that at a young age, you have a head start on life.	/r/MensRights	07/12/13 11:11 PM
3	LEARN TO SAY NO: Learn to say no in both dating and relationships I have no problem saying no... but dating scenario #2 might be okay if you can find a wing man. Honestly, if she made the suggestion to meet her and her friend, I'm pretty sure she isn't very serious about the date (or very socially oblivious). Either way, I'd call up my buddy and say "yo, meeting two girls. You game?"	/r/seduction	23/11/13 09:44 PM
1	Co-worker taught me a lesson, time for a new approach You need to have something they want. If she's hot, she's not going to give her number out to every average (or ugly) dude that asks her for her number. No matter how confident they are. You can do things to improve your attractiveness (personal hygiene, well fitting clothes, and working out). You could also be successful. Of course, that's easier said than done. Being witty and interesting work wonders. BUT, its also a slower game. Girls aren't going to see that as quickly as they would a good-…	/r/seduction	22/11/13 02:45 AM
15	Co-worker taught me a lesson, time for a new approach Something to keep in mind: You can get away with that if you are good looking. I've tried the whole "hey, give my your number" thing... and I've tried the whole make her laugh thing. Sadly, I'm an ugly dude. I ask a random girl for her number I ALWAYS get a no. If I am charming and making her laugh, I sometimes get a no. My buddy, on the other hand, has a much more pleasant face. We've sat at a table and had random girls approach him for his number. Your game is much different if you are good lo…	/r/seduction	21/11/13 02:53 PM
2	WHEN will men get pre-conviction anonymity in rape trials? - Michael Le Vell Fair enough... but, then why limit this to just rape cases? It should then apply to every accused crime. Drug related crimes, murder, DUIs, theft, assault.... basically anything ruins your life just as much. But, then, since you are hiding people's name, no one will know who's involved and wouldn't be able to come forward with information that the prosecution/defense might benefit from. And, yes, there will be people that have information that they may not realize is important to a criminal case…	/r/MensRights	13/09/13 01:32 AM
1	WHEN will men get pre-conviction anonymity in rape trials? - Michael Le Vell This brings up a very interesting dilemma: if the victim's identity is "protected" and the defendant's identity is "protected," we now have a secret trial. One of the great things about allowing this information to remain public is that it keeps the courts honest. I don't think the solution is anonymity... I think the penalty for false allegations should be harsher and perhaps a bit easier to bring civil cases against accusers.	/r/MensRights	12/09/13 09:45 PM
1	How I seduced a girl without intending to & If you have a crush on someone, read this! Why is it every time I try to read one of these, it comes across as some amateur writer testing his craft on everyone here. I honestly didn't read it, but if its true, good for you. I just have no desire to read a novel every time someone feels like bragging.	/r/seduction	07/03/13 12:50 AM
12	Creative ways to get a girls number! I'm with you 100%. Everyone has different styles. Whenever I do anything, I don't like doing the mundane thing. Had I read this before I went out tonight, I would have certainly tried #2 on the gorgeous black girl that was completely inapproachable. It would also be good for very busy settings where you know you won't be able to get a 5 minute conversation in. On top of that, like I said: it keeps things interesting for me. Techniques like this don't just give me new ways to talk to girls... the…	/r/seduction	01/02/13 01:44 AM
5	How did you guys begin to improve and change yourselves? What did you stop or start doing? I didn't even realize that being skinny was hurting my self-confidence, but apparently it was. Perhaps it wasn't a confidence issue, perhaps it was a looks issue? Maybe it did boost your confidence, but it sounds like you don't even know if it did or didn't. Not to take anything away from working out, I think that (and fashion) is the single best way to improve your dating life. BUT, my biggest pet peeve with this subreddit is the thought that because you are doing better with the ladies it has …	/r/seduction	28/12/12 01:23 PM
-1	Looks Don't Matter Listening to guys talk about "looks don't matter" is usually like listening to Romney on how it is to be poor. Seriously, how many guys in here would fuck an ugly chick? Not if they are as vain as me. Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect the opposite sex to act in the same manner? And, I'm an ugly dude. And, I refuse to fuck ugly girls. It is a million times harder for me than it is for good-looking men. Fuck, I've watched girls just come over to us (in a restaurant, not even a bar or club!) and …	/r/seduction	16/11/12 02:19 AM
1	Michelle Obama's Facebook page just put this up. No, no, no no!!! People should be able to lived a good life even if they are unemployed. But, that's not even what we should be talking about. Who's responsibility is it to ensure they have something to fall back on when they lose their job? That person? Or everyone else??? You want to live a good life if you lose your job, put yourself in a position to do so. No one wants to sacrifice their internet connection or their TV or their smart phone. Fuck, my sister eats better than me on food stamps …	/r/MensRights	23/10/12 01:53 PM
7	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate Your situation sounds eerily similar to mine. I worked with my current company for 12 years. I quit to go into another industry. Three years later (6 months ago), I came back looking for a middle-management role. I was told I'll have to work my way up the ladder again. Since then, they've hired two women with less combined experience than me. They come to me with questions!!!	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 01:15 PM
3	Bars Have Become Venues for Friends to Hang out vs. Singles to Hook Up Thank you! I've been saying this for 2 years now. People want to go out and have a good time with their friends. These days we have a dozen websites we can go to. And, if you aren't comfortable putting your info on the internet, you probably aren't comfortable getting picked up at a bar either. Last two girls that seemed interested at a bar were strippers.	/r/seduction	12/10/12 08:56 PM
47	How do you overcome having an unattractive face? Wow, so it looks like everyone here thinks you aren't ugly, just lacking confidence. I really hate that. It shows how out of touch many of these people are. Many of them don't understand what its like being an ugly dude. Now, I'm a really fucking ugly dude, so hopefully I can help. 1 I have no chin. You ever see those guys with manly granite jaws? Not me. I grew a big bushy goatee. Until I got my recent job, I had let it grow down to my chest. Some girls don't like it. But, fuck, they didn't lik…	/r/seduction	17/09/12 02:34 AM
1	What is your greatest fear that is preventing you from becoming who you want to be? I don't think I really have any social anxieties. I don't fear rejection. I don't fear failure. And, I really don't care what others think of me. I think it comes down to me just not caring about the interests of others. I remember taking a girl to the movies to watch what she said would be a hilarious movie. About half way through, she was more into the movie than making out with me and I sure as fuck wasn't sitting through another 45 minutes of this shit... so I got up and played games in the …	/r/seduction	17/08/12 10:24 PM
2	If I don't have a place to bring girls back to,what do I do? No worries ;) PA and MD are nice to me (16). NY is okay too (17). The only other state that I'm sometimes in is VA (18). I normally stay 18 or 19 just to be safe... but its good to have this information when you spend time in many different states.	/r/seduction	12/08/12 05:45 AM
108	If I don't have a place to bring girls back to,what do I do? I see a lot of hotel suggestions, but be careful. That's straight up telling her you want to fuck. And, while that's cool... some girls don't like that. If you are in a park and you start fucking its spontaneous. If you are sitting in the car and one thing leads to another, its exhilarating. Going back to her place makes her feel in control and comfortable. A hotel will work, but it should be your last resort. (hehe resort, hotel.... eh, nevermind).	/r/seduction	11/08/12 09:09 PM
-30	If I don't have a place to bring girls back to,what do I do? To each his own, but I find it gross banging a girl my own age, let alone someone older. I've been banging teenagers for over a decade. No reason to stop now.	/r/seduction	11/08/12 09:01 PM
20	If I don't have a place to bring girls back to,what do I do? Everything is illegal. Enjoy yourself.	/r/seduction	11/08/12 08:59 PM
2	Gents, women ARE NOT the root of all happiness. They ARE merely a perk that comes from leading a fulfilling, interesting life. This advice can be applied to anything we illogically pursue. Girls will not bring you happiness, but they can be a great distraction (much same way alcohol/drugs can mask how sucky your life is). Money will not bring happiness, but it can help buy it. Many times, people pursue things to fill a void in their lives without realizing they are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I really don't know how to convey this to people that haven't already figured it out, but: you need to take pleas…	/r/seduction	28/07/12 11:36 AM
14	What exactly does a wingman do? This is my territory! Sadly, I'm much better at the wingman thing than I am at the seduction thing. A wingman will have multiple roles in the course of a night: motivator. Sometimes approaching girls can be intimidating even for the most confident lady's man. The wingman helps you think of strategy and get you in the right mindset. accentuate your awesomeness. When you talk to girls, your objective isn't to talk about yourself... its to get her to talk about herself. Sometimes, though, its nice …	/r/seduction	24/06/12 11:54 PM
4	Norwegian party wants to ban religious male genital mutilation As a guy that's circumcised, I can tell you that you don't even know are for most of your life. You generally don't go around looking at other guy's dongs. If you happen to see one that's different than yours (as I did in the high school showers), you just write it off as some people have more skin than others. In fact, I had several adult male friends say "I don't know what a circumcised penis looks like" and being in the US, I explained to them that he most likely is and doesn't know what an u…	/r/MensRights	14/06/12 12:05 AM
5	Man on sex offender registry for 15 years after filming sex with his gf when both were 17. Law Reform Commission pushing for change to allow judges flexibility in who goes on the register. Sadly, most people can't comprehend how broken the law. If the law is in place to protect those under 18 because they aren't mentally mature enough to understand the consequences of their actions, then how can we justify prosecuting them for those crimes? Either they don't know what they are doing and should be treated as such... or they know what they are doing and don't need the law to "protect" them in that particular case.	/r/MensRights	13/05/12 12:03 PM
0	When dating, is it a big deal that she have a job, car, college education, and place of her own? Any woman that puts "must have a job, car, college education, and your own place" seems to think the main value of a man is a status symbol. Just a friendly word to the wise - savvy men can tell when a female just wants a trophy.	/r/MensRights	04/08/11 05:40 AM
12	When dating, is it a big deal that she have a job, car, college education, and place of her own? Dating is a free market. Dating is an example of what happens to a "free market" when government gets involved. Would these demands really exist if prostitution were legal? I don't think so. If a girl were to tell you "I'm not going home with you unless you have a job, car, college education, and your own place," you could simply go "fuck off, I'll go to the legitimate brothel across the street." Right now, your only option is the crack addicts on South Franklin St. You are seeing inflation as a…	/r/MensRights	03/08/11 01:52 AM
-1	Dear Sluts (NSFW) done. I may have to reply directly on his website.	/r/MensRights	05/05/11 07:41 PM
41	Dear Sluts (NSFW) I agree with the spirit of the article... however, the language put me off a bit. When I see good, thought-provoking articles, I like to put them on facebook for my friends and family to see. It would be easy for people to interpret this negatively. More mature language would definitely drive the point home better.	/r/MensRights	05/05/11 12:07 PM
6	It should be legally valid to contractually agree, before birth, that the woman (or the man) will take full responsibility and care of a baby without bothering the other party. Thus a woman can get the child she wants from the father she wants without needing to lie about birth control. I'm just looking to debate your points... I'm not looking for a flame war. That being said, here we go: Women can already have a child fathered by a particular man without bothering him. It's a choice women have. Men largely don't, but women do. I think the point to his argument is that in this case, the woman COULD just bounce... but what's the point? She can get paid too. The OP suggests that she waived the father's obligations to the child. Therefore, without a contract, this situation would …	/r/MensRights	23/04/11 01:58 PM
1	Man arrested for singing sexually explicit song in a 1st grade classroom. Charged with manufacturing child sexual abusive material he faces 20 years. No children were actually present during the creation of the film. Its a fucking song. I think you should have called your mom out on her appeal to authority fallacy. Immediately ask her if she felt every law ever passed is legitimate (including Jim Crow laws and laws in other countries like Sudan). The "well, its against the law" argument is the biggest piece of bullshit I ever hear in justifying these types of charges.	/r/MensRights	18/02/11 09:41 PM
4	10 years in jail for being tricked by jailbait I used to be a virgin too!!	/r/MensRights	10/02/11 02:24 PM
2	Does she like you for your pretty smile? Your jokes? Your caring personality? I'm afraid not lads. PIC It was done by OKCupid. It refers to the number of unsolicited messages their members got. If I remember correctly, you can opt in/out of their stat tracking. I also believe they counted everyone on their site that allowed stats to be collected.	/r/MensRights	08/02/11 12:27 PM
4	Has anyone else heard this remark? What was your reaction? So, I was dating a girl and she got into a fight with another girl in the projects (hey, if that's where you grow up, that shit happens). Anyway, the girl fucked her up good and my gf had a black eye for a week or so. I had so much fun with that. We would go out to eat and I would be like "that's what you get for not listening" or something similar... and she actually gave like a fake cower or be like "please, don't hit me again." We thought it was hilarious.	/r/MensRights	27/12/10 01:40 PM
1	Has anyone else heard this remark? What was your reaction? People say stupid shit without thinking all the time. I hate it more when someone tries to take credit for your work. I have a 70 yr old roommate that will say things like "I see you cleaned the bathroom. Guess I taught you well"... no, fuck you, I cleaned the bathroom. It doesn't mean I wouldn't been capable of doing it without meeting you.	/r/MensRights	27/12/10 01:25 PM
0	What You Should Do If your Wife or Girlfriend Threatens to Call the Police and Make False Allegations 5 is a good way to get yourself in trouble. Federal wire-tapping anyone? Most cops aren't looking to do the right thing... they are looking to pad their reviews. They don't get brownie points for doing the right thing.... they get brownie points for convictions. But, lets say you find a good cop.... its still not admissible in court, so its still your word vs her word.	/r/MensRights	12/12/10 02:44 PM
1	"Stranger Danger" and the decline of Halloween. - Not quite "Mens Rights", but certainly an issue that affects men more than women. Quite honestly, I hate the idea of sending your kids out to beg for candy from others. Even worse, a lot of people used to ask me to sing for them? WTF? I'm supposed to do tricks for you???	/r/MensRights	29/10/10 01:32 AM
2	So I go to drop my daughter at school today and guess who is waiting for me in the parking lot ? A police officer... Okay, I know I just posted but I need to comment again. My first post revolved around them trying to intimidate you into not causing a problem. That still pisses me off... but then, I realized I was in school once. We had the same issue... and I never cared. Maybe you should just forget about it? I mean, so what if your kid has to stand outside... shouldn't you provide them with protection from the elements if you know they aren't going to be allowed inside? I don't understand why our school wou…	/r/MensRights	16/10/10 04:05 PM
1	So I go to drop my daughter at school today and guess who is waiting for me in the parking lot ? A police officer... I don't know how much you want to do, but I would at least talk to the local news. Maybe even call a lawyer and get free advice. I'd put THEM on the defensive. My thought process is: Fuck them.	/r/MensRights	16/10/10 03:59 PM
6	While reddit is helping a 7 year old girl, this sick fuck is posting child pornography on reddit... Clicked out of habit. Good job. Anyway, I didn't see anything that looked like child pornography. I bet I can find that kind of "porn" in a flier for children's clothing. You need to chill out a bit. There is nothing wrong with being a bit of a perv as long as you don't act on those obsessions. Personally, I'd rather him place clothed pictures of little girls/boys on the internet for people to jerk off to than not giving these people an outlet and causing them to take out their sexual frustratio…	/r/MensRights	09/10/10 01:48 PM
2	Little did I know, She was Only 16 years old. While I agree that it is horrible to rape someone and scar them emotionally, I don't agree with ruining someone's life forever. There are many situations in which a blanket punishment like this causes problems. Have you ever looked at the registry? This is another example where facts were taken out of context in order to convict a guy presumably to make the state look tough on crime. This is not an issue of making our world a safer place.... it is an issue of politically motivated assholes ruini…	/r/MensRights	14/08/10 05:20 PM
-4	This is a real deadbeat dad. Innocent men who can't pay child support because they are unemployed are not him. Note the difference. Just want to point out that the mother understood the risks of having sex. If she didn't want a baby/ couldn't afford to raise one, she should have considered a condom or "falling" down a flight of steps.	/r/MensRights	12/08/10 11:44 AM
0	How big of an issue are false rape accusations and what should be done? You do bring up a valid point. While I don't believe the government should with hold information regarding criminal cases (such as to prevent corruption and misuse), I understand there would be a number of women that would feel embarrassed letting the public know about this kind of stuff. This could result in women refusing to press charges so as to avoid the humiliation of such an act. So, then, this leads to the question of which is more important: the prosecution of rapists or the integrity o…	/r/MensRights	17/07/10 10:29 PM
1	How big of an issue are false rape accusations and what should be done? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree... but, I will say thank you for a polite debate. i don't get too many of those around here.	/r/MensRights	17/07/10 07:05 PM
-1	How big of an issue are false rape accusations and what should be done? I'm the kind of person that feels the court system should be as transparent as possible and that the press should be able to report on anything they want. So, while, I agree with you that there could be negative consequences to even being accused, I'm not sure there is a solution that is ideologically consistent with my point of view.	/r/MensRights	17/07/10 05:53 PM
4	How big of an issue are false rape accusations and what should be done? Sweet! Story time from me too! So, this happened a few years ago. I was at a party with a very pretty blond with large breasts. One thing led to another and next thing you know her parents walk in... evidence all over her face.... her parents are standing directly between me and my pants.... and, LUCKILY, four people sitting on the couch. I got out of the situation as quickly as I could, but the cops started asking all these questions... apparently, someone said the r-word. I don't know who said…	/r/MensRights	17/07/10 03:11 PM
2	How big of an issue are false rape accusations and what should be done? I think this is simply a product of a much larger issue. ANY false allegations, if they are proven to be malicious, should result in the accuser serving time for the crime they accused the other person of. This should include females falsely accusing someone of rape, police officers/ DEAs/ whatever falsely accusing someone of a crime for political reasons, harassment/discrimination lawsuits by disgruntled employees, etc. Additionally, the falsely accused should be able to recover loses for court…	/r/MensRights	17/07/10 02:59 PM
8	Q: 'Unrealistic expectations', 'patriarchy' & '/r/feminisms Always bail her out of stupid situations (I get a call at 2:30am and she just happened to find herself into a mess 2 hrs away.... don't fucking party then!) Appreciate them for who they are... while they swoon over any jackass with a backwards hat and no shirt Why can they go see Jonas brothers or other boy bands at the age of 25 but if I go see some teenage girl in concert, I'm a perv???	/r/MensRights	24/05/10 03:39 AM