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I’ve noticed GenZ women are more comfortable with Netflix and Chill dates than actual dates, it’s really weird Also the discussion and stats surrounding GenZ and sex are a bit misleading; it’s mainly GenZ men who’ve seen a large rise in sexlessness when you examine the data by gender. GenZ women have a bit of a dip in sexlessness but they’re still largely sexually active, they just have fewer partners than millennials Most women (even single) were rarely celibate from my experience, even if it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:06 PM
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Looks get you in the door, personality is what makes women stay If you’re attractive enough it can mitigate a bad personality. I think we’ve all known at least one shitty guy or woman who get a lot of leeway because they’re hot
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:55 PM
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Agreed. Sometimes women really want a date to work but it just doesn’t click, and sometimes you want to see where it goes with a woman but the sex is just bad. Or maybe the spark just fades over time I’ve cut things off after linking with women and I’ve been accused of this before, and I’m sure women have similar experiences of being accused of wanting a free meal. Feels really gross to be “obligated” to date somebody just because you’re having sex Of course there’s shitty men and women who do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:00 PM
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Stats consistently show men and women work roughly equal when accounting for total hours work and time spent on chores (which your article points out too) Issue with the ‘free time’ stat is it’s hard to account for because it’s very vague, even in the article. My partner likes doing makeup (which isn’t listed as under their leisure activity), and in that hour I could be in the gym which count towards that discrepancy I think it’s interesting and should be looked at more but it doesn’t give us an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:52 PM
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Yeah if he’s yelling or getting violent then that’s obviously not okay, but anger is just as valid emotional outlet as crying Unfortunately this circles back to the idea that we do want men to open up but they have to do it the right way and only with struggles that affect both genders. We have a very women-centric view of “opening up” and there’s nothing wrong with that perspective, but we should be open to more because men and women are different and express emotions differently in some ways
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:35 PM
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Where did I say women never get ignored by men they open up to? I said this is an aspect where a lot of women get dismissive or judgey when opening up to Same way I see some women say men aren’t great about certain female-centric topics like safety
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:26 PM
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I think it’s obvious why you didn’t meaningfully respond to anything I wrote with any substance Again, minorities are more marginalized than cis white women and would be the first to go in your scenario. Yet black, Mexican or even Jewish folks aren’t concerned about this being a realistic outcome Your entire argument is “there was transphobia in WW2 and they were sent to camps, and there’s transphobia now so it’s gonna happen again” which I feel like I shouldn’t have to explain why that’s extrem…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:34 PM
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They call Michelle Obama a man because of racist stereotypes regarding black women having “more masculine features.” It’s abhorrent but that’s all it is The fact that you’re extrapolating this racist caricature as them trying to legally label her as trans (which would have to be litigated) so they can put trans folks in death camps or something is exactly what I mean by catastrophizing “Ugly” cis women will not be put into concentration camps. I’m saying this as a minority who would be the first…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:17 PM
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I’m a lot more understanding of trans folks catastrophizing (especially if you’re in a red state) but this thread is about cis women What anti-trans laws specifically have been implemented that negatively affects cis women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:58 PM
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Oh I agree. It’s easy to get laid as a shitty guy, but I always tell men that those women aren’t the type you want to seriously date This is less based on data, but from my experience those women are way more likely to cheat and have serious emotional baggage like the woman OP is describing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:37 PM
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“Because those sorts of hateful arguments are the ones who are criticized. Not just “opening up”” OP is literally criticizing men for opening about a lack of physical intimacy haha TRP is goofy, but one of the few things they’re not wrong about is how women don’t care and often judge men for their lack of intimacy struggles because it’s rarely an issue for them (most single women are still sexually active) I have great female friends who I can open to with many things but as even the supposed pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:31 PM
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It’s been fairly well documented that young women prefer “dark triad” traits, at least for short term relationships Most of them grow out of it after getting burned but a lot of young women do go through a bad boy phase
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:27 PM
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Why would you even use that as an example when the thread is about lacking physical intimacy (which women crave just as much)? If that’s how you interpret it, then it probably explains why guys don’t open up to women regardless those kind of struggles, to his point
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:13 PM
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It’s the unfortunate symptom of catastrophizing, and a big reason liberal women tend to be far less happy than conservative women imo I strongly disagree with RvW being overturned, but a lot of people online are telling young women the US will soon turn into the Handmaid Tale. This fearmongering despite living in the safest period of history is not great
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:43 PM
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Also most young men who are involuntarily celibate (the actual definition) tend to lean left Men becoming feminists isn’t going to meaningfully impact childless rates. You can argue men should support RvW on principle (which I do anyway), but this gaslighting that it’s actually in their best interest is a little goofy Women who weren’t gonna have sex or kids weren’t going to do it regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:33 PM
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If you don’t think boys and girls are wired differently or that there aren’t different cultural and social pressure on both then we just don’t live in the same reality for this to be a productive discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:24 PM
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Boys are wired differently from girls and there’s different social and cultural expectations placed on both Some of the traits associated with positive masculinity aren’t gendered but some are. Some are far more beneficial for young men than would be young women and will disproportionately affect them as a result
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:18 PM
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It’s not on me to prove a negative. You would need to establish there’s a manosphere culture over there to a similar degree like it is in the west There have been incels throughout all of human history in every part of the world so I’m sure some exist there, but that’s different from the manosphere culture we see today
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:43 PM
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Doesn’t seem like manosphere culture is even a thing in Mongolia, and the women there are apparently independent It’s likely a factor, but giving these directionless men structure by promoting positive masculinity is a good way to combat it and channel it productively. This mindset that it’s inevitable if women get equal rights is really silly to me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:28 PM
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You’re asking a different question now, but promoting more positive masculinity is good for boys and young men. It’s a pivotal part of their growth Young men are falling into the manosphere in part because there’s a lack of healthy masculinity in our society that we naturally gravitate to, so they fall victim to that rabbit hole because it provides a twisted version of masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:13 PM
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You can adopt certain positive aspects of a country’s system without emulating them wholesale China is horrible, but I think there’s some positive takeaways the US can learn for example like their push for renewable energy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:45 PM
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Yeah the constant ragebait content on this subreddit is tiring to read
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:45 PM
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We don’t prosecute old women for trying to have kids so this gotcha doesn’t work I’m starting to think PPD doesn’t know how laws work
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:23 AM
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But how do you prove malintent? Usually there’s an investigation, but you very rarely get arrested and thrown in jail unless there’s probable cause. Obviously it gets abused sometimes by corrupt prosecutors (not unique to women or intentional stillbirth charges) but that’s how our legal system works Knowing how awful this is for women to go through, I feel like it should be obvious why it’s gross to “joke” about mutilating boys. Especially since boys are already often mutilated here in the US fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:21 PM
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I’ve seen a decent number of studies that show that men are perceived as more attractive when they’re around attractive women versus “mid” women. The wedding ring phenomenon is also well documented too That said, I do largely agree. Attractive, charismatic guys tend to get women because of those traits. And if you’re an ugly, weird loser, just being around an attractive woman or having a wedding ring won’t make women suddenly throw themselves at you It’s more like a modifier in my eyes. It helps…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:17 PM
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For the reason we charge people for two homicides or two counts of endangerment when third-trimester pregnant women are involved (which I agree with). Men who assault pregnant women resulting in a miscarriage also tend to get murder charges thrown in too (not always but very common) This law isn’t specifically targeting women — after 24 or so weeks we treat the baby as its own entity. Same reason why even most blue states don’t allow late abortions without a life-threatening reason Many laws “ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:57 PM
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I’m not sure what point you’re getting at in the context of this discussion — we did this before Roe v Wade too And I do think we should prosecute late negligent miscarriages/stillbirths. I don’t feel like this should be a controversial take regardless of your stance on abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:14 PM
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You only get prosecuted for miscarriages if there’s bad intent involved (substance abuse, extreme carelessness). And pregnant women can (and have) gotten charged for negligent miscarriages in blue states too I’m pro-choice and think this was a horrible decision, but that’s not exactly true The manosphere is also talking about how women shouldn’t be allowed to vote. And the mainstream opinion is that folks like Nick Fuentes are wrong and terrible people, even when they say inflammatory stuff like…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:36 PM
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Studies consistently show women find men who hang around (specifically) attractive women and men with wedding rings more attractive Unwanted men is just an ick for women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:48 PM
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Preselection gets an overstated in TRP (women dislike hoes just as much as men do), but it is very real It’s a huge ick for even the most sex-positive women because it’s seen as desperate and that you can’t get sex naturally
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:41 PM
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If a manosphere chud went on a tirade about how women should have their voting rights stripped away and abortion should be federally illegal then said, “tee hee, I’m joking” most women would not be as charitable For the record I don’t think this crazy feminist is some grand indictment against women any less than Nick Fuentes is against men, but what she’s saying is crazy and we don’t have to make excuses
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:23 PM
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I can understand this perspective actually. I think there’s definitely some women who are bad texters or just really shy but switch up when a date is scheduled (and I’ve experienced it too early on) From my experience, most women who are cold early tend to stay disinterested or were very flaky. When I was single I preferred to optimize but that’s a valid approach too. As long as she’s putting in effort by the first date it’s fine imo
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:50 PM
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I had most success with a “quality over quantity” approach in dating. You can match low enthusiasm women and probably get a few dates out of it, but I had enough matches where I could move on The quality of the women I dated and relationships were far higher from my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:31 PM
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Agreed. I once mentioned I moved on from women if we didn’t have sex on the first 2-3 dates when I was single, and someone here told me I’m “not entitled to their bodies.” It was one of the goofiest interactions I’ve had lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:17 PM
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So stop dating people you are not actually mutually attracted to Yes, that’s what I said in my post lol Don’t date women you have to “convince” to like you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:08 PM
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I don’t mean to be rude, but this is genuinely bad advice. Effort should be reciprocated, and you should not be putting uneven effort at the start regardless of gender. This is true for women chasing guys who put in the absolute bare minimum too Obviously you don’t have to create an excel spreadsheet to calculate it to be exactly 50/50, but most socially adjusted people can understand if effort is being reasonably reciprocated Match effort or find somebody else who meets you there
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:05 PM
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen this perspective before, but this is very true from my experience BPD, mentally unwell women will offer zero resistance too. They’ll throw themselves at a guy and use them as their own personal therapist Ideally you want somewhere in the middle where she lays healthy boundaries but doesn’t play hard to get either
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:00 PM
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This is good advice, but remember it goes both ways. Only put in effort for women who are also putting in effort Most guys don’t realize it, but if you talk with and date enough women you understand women will absolutely put in effort if they like you. Don’t date women you have to “convince” to like you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:53 PM
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She regurgitates most of the rules in the FDS guidebook, but if you don’t consider her a FDS influencer in your mind then I guess they don’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:27 PM
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She gives toxic dating advice and makes lifestyle content about “manifesting” and other dark feminism nonsense She’s also a grifter like the manosphere guys too, but to his point she’s very clearly a feminist not a trad wife
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:54 PM
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TheWizardLiz has shy of 8 million followers on TikTok alone (for comparison, Andrew Tate has shy of 11 million followers on Twitter) and a lot of young women follow her advice She spreads similar toxic garbage like “men will always lie, cheat and look for better options” and teaches young women how to manipulate men like the manosphere does with women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:37 PM
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It’s true for most dating advice regardless of gender honestly. Most dating advice tells men and women to prioritize themselves and maximize their outcomes, but that will always be incompatible with healthy relationships since they should be equal partnerships I think TRP is a bit goofy but it’s not a meaningful critique specific to them. Women who are deep in the “pink pill” or “dark feminism” tend to be very toxic in relationships too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:15 PM
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After food, housing snd water, I would say physical intimacy is up there along with education for most people. Even the most man-hating, hairy armpit feminists are still somewhat sexually active with men (roughly 70% of non-abstinent young women if I recall) I think it’s fair to acknowledge it’s importance while also acknowledging the discussion isn’t comparable to stuff like housing and education because it’s not a commodity We can (and should) help people struggling with housing and education,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:04 AM
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I have a bi friend (mainly dates women) and the stories he tells me are crazy It’s not homophobic in the “gay marriage should be banned” way but mostly “if he’s been with a man he’s probably a closet gay and probably has AIDS” even with a lot of progressive women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:44 PM
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I doubt there’s many “giga Stacie’s” and especially “giga Chad’s” dating older men or older women I’m just saying if you’re attractive and don’t lead with money then you’ll have options. Definitely not most young men and women, but enough options if you wanted to date them for whatever reason
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:30 PM
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The woman dating the older guy for money and the woman dating the attractive older guy in their 30s are not the same people (usually). The sugar baby will leave if he’s not spending money on her, the other won’t The average man and woman in their 30s is fat, and men tend to start balding so it makes sense why data shows most young women aren’t interested in dating older men. Even if you’re in good shape it still won’t be most young women, but you’ll get a fair amount of attention I don’t know wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:18 PM
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For starters, a lot of young women don’t even want kids nowadays. And most normal young men and women aren’t obsessed with fertility like this subreddit I knew two young guys who dated older women, and those women’s eggs declining in their mid 30s were never a huge point for them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:03 PM
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Depends how much older and if you’re attractive or not. If you’re an attractive guy in your mid 30s then you’ll have a decent number of young women interested in dating you If you’re a fat guy in your 50s, then 9/10 times they’ll only date you for your money Probably be better to ask older men with experience instead of this subreddit, which is filled with men in their 20s and women in their 40s lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 01:51 PM
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For real, just go to literally any celebrity snark subreddit lmao Women are just as brutal as men when it comes to online attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 01:29 PM
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Whenever I see a woman influencer with mostly female audience who’s dating a short or heavier guy, I see comments flooded from women telling her she can do so much better and to dump him I don’t even disagree that women are judged more for being fat (men are judged more in different ways) but social media comments are toxic regardless of gender
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 01:17 PM
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Not sure what’s to debate here. There’s shitty men and women out there and I do encourage women to take safety precautions, and I doubt even TRP losers would disagree with that If you’re using it to justify hating a group of people then I think it’s pretty goofy, but it’s your life
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:15 PM
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Dating really can be simplified to that tbh If you’re finding options you want then good for you, but if you’re not then improve yourself or lower your standards. Complaining that “there aren’t good men” or “women only chase top 10% guys” is pretty goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:05 PM
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There’s lots of guys complaining they can’t find good women, just not on this subreddit I do agree good men and women do get sniped off the dating market pretty fast (if they put themselves out there). From my experience, most of the men and women complaining aren’t as much as a catch as they think
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:58 PM
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Maybe look into actual data instead of ChatGPT. Roughly 1/3 of women have ever used dating apps — not concurrently or even consistently You’re only describing a subset of women who regularly use dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:26 PM
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Women are indeed very picky on dating apps, but their standards are very reasonable in real life. The phenomenon you’re describing isn’t incorrect, it just isn’t widespread Most women are in relationships and are doing fine. You’re focusing on a minority of women who actively use dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:28 PM
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Didn’t AOC make fun of a guy because of his height? I don’t see how that’s different from Trump making that “piggy” comment to a reporter (which was also very shitty). Hasan’s said some pretty radical things too That said I don’t think progressive politicians hate men, they just ignore them. All of their policies are either directly benefiting women or benefit both genders, which isn’t bad but I don’t blame young men for feeling ignored by the Democratic base because of it There are definitely l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:38 PM
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we receive aura points if anything for sleeping around a lot Kinda. We get “aura points” by other men but not really by women. Despite what TRP says, women do not like fuck boys and they create entire communities (Tea, AWDTSG) to weed them out Likewise, women aren’t really judged for sleeping around by other women. Both get judged by the other gender, but I do think women are judged more explicitly though
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:56 PM
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Women slut shame men all the time, they’re just nowhere near as vocal about it Women want men who can sleep with most of the women in the room, not somebody who already has
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:47 PM
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I do think women are judged more for their looks while men are judged more for what they can provide And likewise, men don’t usually cheat or leave their wives even if their looks fade if they’re amazing to be around too. It’s not that men and women are shallow or it’s the only thing we care about, but it’s about choosing a loving partner that values you more for looks or what you can provide I value a partner that brings me peace and is somebody that I’m excited to go home and see a long day of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:37 PM
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I do think there’s some truth to this. Women like to point out that men are quicker to divorce when their partners fall ill, but women are 2-3 times more likely to divorce their partner when they lose their job. We are definitely judged more for what we provide, but we’re not valued solely off that. There’s plenty of women who will show genuine love and compassion even if finances start to slip I can somewhat understand the perspective, but it’s a bit of a cynical view to think they’re only resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:40 PM
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Approaching relationships from a cost/benefit perspective is some of the most dehumanizing shit I’ve ever seen. Women who think like this are just the opposite side of the same coin as the manosphere. Any woman who approaches dating with this mindset is an immediate red flag and almost always have a transactional view of relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:20 PM
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Agreed. If his wife respects and treats him well I don’t see the issue Men who provide for women they barely know or don’t respect them are losers though
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:14 PM
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I slept with most of my partners on the first or second date too. I’ve disqualified women for other unrelated reasons after having sex but never for that, I find that pretty odd Last I checked, over a third of couples have sex on the first date so this isn’t uncommon either lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:10 PM
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This sub is filled with loser incels and BPD women with lots of disorders— it’s not reflective of real life. And the overwhelmingly majority of men do not sleep with babies and animals so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with these examples Men are attracted to a lot more women than the inverse so they will have sex with far more women, but most men do not have sex with anything that moves If that’s your only experience with men then you should probably touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:04 PM
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I don’t agree with the idea that most women are users at all, but most studies indicate IPV rates are roughly the same among men and women. Women are more likely to suffer severe abuse but men hide it more out of shame The fact that DV rates are so high among lesbian relationships indicates it’s not as easy to spot in women as you’re suggesting. Women are a lot more socially intelligent than men which makes it easier to mask Either way this oppression Olympics doesn’t seem necessary to me. Men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:19 PM
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Yeah I don’t care about her being a virgin or not, but hooking up with celebrities is a pretty big red flag. It’s like men who pay for OF to chat with women who don’t care about them Feels like a huge lack of self-respect
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:16 PM
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I date women and I can say most women aren’t users. Some definitely are, and according to data it does seem to be increasing amongst young women but far from most And she’s right, if you’re always find yourself dating abusers (regardless of gender) it means it’s time for self-reflection. Some people internalize abusive behaviors as normal, some people find normal relationships too boring and want the thrill, and some people are just desperate and users can sniff it from a mile away
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:11 PM
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What does your partner bring to the table then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:20 PM
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Probably a hot take but I agree in the early dating phase. That doesn’t mean treat her badly or not show mutual interest, but from my experience the most long-lasting relationships starts from the women showing high initiial interest You should love each other the same and match it in a long term relationship though
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:18 PM
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Hre’s a thing thk, they are not talking about having sex with men they like too. It’s a man they don’t find attractive Nobody enjoys having sex with people they don’t find attractive. The original comment was clearly referring to consensual sex If you go on a date, have a great time, and there’s solid chemistry so you go to his place to have sex — that’s mutually beneficial. I’m not sure where the confusion is lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:17 AM
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That’s like me saying there’s no benefit to trashy reality TV shows like Love Is Blind just because I don’t like it lol You don’t like it and that’s fine, but evidently there are benefits for the women who do it. And I’m not talking about just hookups — 50% of women are open to sex on the first 3 dates Feels like I’m explaining this to a robot but yes, most women enjoy sex with men they like too
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:47 PM
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If sex is so bad for you, then don’t have it lol Plenty of women enjoy sex. You may not like it but it doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s mutually beneficial for both men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:44 PM
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One ick is based on attraction, and one is based on sexuality. Despite what incels say, there’s nothing wrong with women being turned off by short guys because you can’t control who you’re physically attracted to I don’t fault guys who don’t date hoes or women who don’t date bi guys because its your preference, but I’m just saying if you find someone’s sexuality “icky” it usually speaks to something more For men, it can be some degree of slut shaming and for women it can be homophobia. Not alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:38 PM
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Lots of people online are miserable. Not too surprising tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:48 PM
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If you state your preference without insulting someone else, no issue Not true. I got an angry DM from a woman saying my partner should leave me after I mentioned my preferences without insulting anybody lol Stuff like that ain’t uncommon. I’m sure it happens to women more, but women online absolutely get upset too
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:40 PM
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I don’t think it’s necessarily a gendered thing. Women online get pretty upset at preferences like body count, weight and especially body hair. Some BPD woman here even said I liked kids because of it lol Lots of people just get personally offended if you have a common preference that excludes them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:31 PM
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It’s a bit weird how women here say sex isn’t transactional and is shared between two people who like each other (which I agree with), then compare that that to something transactional. You have sex with somebody because you find them attractive, like their vibe or you’re just horny I do think using women for sex and using men for money are just as bad though. Women will say the former is worse because it happens to them more and men will say the latter is worse for the same reason
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:12 PM
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Women can be sexist, men deal with gender roles and older women can manipulate younger men with their experience too The older woman has more power like you said, and she can use it in a good way that allows a healthy partnership, but so can the older man. Not seeing how its gender specific
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:00 PM
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It’s well documented that women who’ve been sugar babies develop warped views of men and relationships I’m not a big fan of age gap relationships at all but you’re not helping your credibility here by flexing you dated older men for money
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:39 PM
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I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed it. Feels like a huge self-report lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:31 PM
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Sounds like a silly stereotype. Most men don’t commit to bi women solely because they want a threesome lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:16 PM
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Most of them are physical traits, not immutably qualities like sexuality. I don’t date fat or hairy women because it means we’re incompatible, but why would a man sucking a dick or a woman eating out another woman in a past relationship affect your compatibility? Fwiw I don’t agree with the idea that progressive women finding bi guys icky means they’re homophobic, but there are some unfortunate implications. There’s a lot of dissonance when progressive women say sexual history doesn’t matter whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:12 PM
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It’s not. Those BPD women you see on TikTok and Reddit complaining about emotionally unavailable men are just as guilty lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:12 AM
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That’s too much introspection. Way easier to blame the other gender for your dating struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:07 AM
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Most pregnancies are due to failed contraceptives cuz people fuck up. Roughly 55-60% of unintended pregnancies involve no contraceptive. It’s largely people using the pull out method or from being drunk If there’s an accidental pregnancy, then you’re not using condoms properly or you missed days on the pill. Both are really hard to mess up It’s kinda hard to envision a scenario where I make a sting of bad decisions like this — constantly misusing contraceptives or not using it at all, not discus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:51 PM
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Contraceptives are 99.99% effective if used properly. The stories you hear of them “failing” are almost always human error. Most accidental pregnancies involves no contraceptives at all, and a large percentage of the folks who did had misused them or were inconsistent I had a friend who got pregnant in a red state. She drove a few hours north to a Planned Parenthood and got an abortion there. It’s a barrier of entry that I don’t think should be there, but it’s absolutely possible You kinda have …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:36 PM
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Men want sex early, but most men don’t want just sex. Women go through a vetting process and decide on sex, while men have sex then decide to vet her as a partner Statistically, men end up dating a little more than half of the women they have sex with so this idea isn’t reflective of men as a whole. From my experience, this comes from women who frequent dating apps or casual spaces like bars and raves where those kinds of men are common
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:06 PM
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This is a really weird scenario for two reasons. One, I don’t have unprotected sex during hookups and my partners always been on birth control or had an IUD. Second, it’s not really an analogous comparison because women have the choice for abortion while men don’t. In real life, the man would say he will not be raising the child and the woman will go through with the abortion I think this is a good thought experiment for men who aren’t already pro-choice though, but responsibilities with pregnan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:53 PM
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Really? I find PPD to be young men in their 20s thinking they’ll be single forever arguing with married older women with no stake in the dating scene It’s actually kind of funny too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:42 PM
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Honestly yeah. The only people I see bringing it up are manosphere grifters or women weaponizing it such as “(this action I don’t like) is why there’s a male loneliness epidemic” According to data, women are doing marginally better but there’s still a big loneliness epidemic in general
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:40 PM
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I’ve literally only heard it once from my blue haired, septum pierced friend and even she said it as a joke and we laughed after lol Perhaps it’s just different social circles, but these phrases sound silly to most normal people off the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:04 PM
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I agree “mansplaining” is definitely a thing, but some women do it too without realizing it. When I was younger I was a barista on an all-female team, and while they had good intentions, trust me they “womansplained” to me often lol My point is most normal people find the phrase silly not because it’s not valid, but because it’s a pointlessly gendered
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:24 PM
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Then men come along and try to reverse that shit and it just doesn’t hit To be fair, neither did mansplaning outside of weird corners of the internet It’s more of an issue with terminally online folks thinking these derogatory gendered phrases will resonate with normal people
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:54 PM
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Bingo. A lot of “single” women usually have a FWB or an ex they hit up instead of hooking up with a lot of different guys. Usually because it’s convenient and they vetted the guy already m Also from what I gather, it’s usually ugly and mid women who have the most casual sex anyway, not the “top percentage of women.” They’re a lot more selective
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 04:40 PM
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That’s interesting. I feel like 3% is unsustainable for regular hookups unless you’re bordering on model territory. I’m just thinking about the match percentage, conversion rate, and the vetting process If you’re traveling for a few weeks it’s a non-issue obviously, but I’m thinking more years. I had enough options where it was still fine, but after a year or so I started seeing more repeat profiles because there weren’t enough attractive women joining the apps in my area YMMV depending on how a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:40 AM
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You must be somewhere like LA or NYC to be swiping right 3% and still have plenty of options. I live in a metro area myself and I probably swiped 15% — still largely attractive women though Definitely agreed that attractive men aren’t running through average women. I usually had 1-2 FWBs at a time, but if our schedules didn’t align I did usually link up with average women off Tinder. Your experience might be different, but hooking up with attractive women on the same night/weekend is way harder …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:49 PM
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A lot of sugar daddies are unattractive and data regularly shows that sex work has very negative effects on your mental health and warps your view of the other gender. You can make more money for sure, but I’d rather be able to date and have sex with (almost) any woman I want any day of the week lmao Also, very attractive men can make very good money off gay men too
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:41 PM
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Who said the woman who the man doesn’t want to wed is great or the men the women are turning down aren’t great either? I think the point is both the man and women would be happy to commit to marriage or a relationship for the right person which makes them analogous I’ve been with women who I enjoyed dating but would absolutely not marry either. Not sure how that’s meaningfully different from women who pass on men until a great option comes along
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:54 PM
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This is very true. High quality women get sniped off apps *fast* and are uninstalling it less than a week after downloading them The women you still chronically on dating apps are there for a very good reason. That’s why I say most men should avoid apps
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:20 PM
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While I think people with genuine commitment issues obviously exist, this feels more like an exception to the rule tbh It could also be argued that the right woman didn’t show up at the time, but they met your standards as you matured and got older (not just a man thing either) I was kinda in the same boat when I was younger (huge glow up and was able to have sex with attractive women out of nowhere), and I had that high of wanting better but eventually I did meet a woman that made me want to se…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:14 PM
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Depends what you mean by blue pill. A lot of manosphere dudes use blue pillers interchangeably with feminists and progressives, or it could just be normal people who don’t identify with TRP like me and just date normally I agree the “just respect women to be successful” crowd youre referring to are goofy, but that’s not reflective of most of the “blue pill”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:37 PM
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Nobody in this chain is saying it’s inherently bad or shaming women for it lol Men and women value different things in a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:16 PM
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What do you think hypergamy means?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:57 PM
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Well, by definition your particular attraction to strong men is sexual hypergamy. Men liking your physical features has nothing to do with hypergamy or selecting superior traits Not saying it’s inherently bad or as significant as TRP claims but it’s present
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:35 PM
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Men admire other strong men too, but they’re not attracted to them I think (generally speaking) men value their partners more for their looks. While looks definitely matter to women, they value certain qualities more in their partners than men do for women. As long as she’s hot she can be worse in every way and it hardly moves the needle, while women want men to be better than her in some capacity
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:20 PM
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Gender definitely plays a role too — we obviously take men abuse more seriously than women abuse But I’m not sure if Chris Brown is the best example. He got a lot of heat when it happened (especially because it happened to a another celebrity), but it died down relatively fast. His concerts have been sold out and it’s packed with women throwing themselves at him since then. If Chris Brown was ugly and not as talented, I personally believe his career would’ve been destroyed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:23 PM
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I don’t think it necessarily has to deal with being physically intimidating as much as it being pretty privilege and status. The dude being dogged on for abusing his wife is a lanky loser small streamer so it’s easy to have that attitude than say McGreggor There was that recent viral clip of some Mormon celebrity beating her husband and child with a metal chair, and people were treating with her kid gloves for the same reason — she’s conventionally attractive and popular
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:08 PM
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I don’t particularly care for Breadtubers opinions unless she’s citing sources. What we do know is nearly a third of incels are on the spectrum (no surprise), incels are over 2.5 times more likely to be victims of bullying than the norm, and a disproportionate number of them do not have a male father figure in their lives I’m not excusing incels, but when talking with them it’s very clear they have a lot of emotional baggage and just weren’t taught right growing up. Then they get radicalized by …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:33 PM
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Two things can be true at once. Shitty men who abuse women should be called out, and women and men shouldn’t vilify each other based on trauma A lot of incels and hardcore TRPs have trauma from their (usually single) mothers, and it doesn’t make their views of women okay either
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:53 PM
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Preferences don’t always translate to reality. Most women prefer for a guy to pay, but if the right guy pulls up and the date goes well she’ll bend the rule I always paid for first dates as general rule, but I knew plenty of guys who didn’t and they were very successful. More often than not, if paying is a prerequisite for a second date she’s either very traditional or she’s not that into you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 06:20 PM
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The TikTok and IG reels I’m referring to were from young white women The point isn’t “bring back yearning” is mainstream or reflective or real life (just like 90% of the discussions here), she asked so I explained where it came from
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:48 AM
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I don’t think I could have said it better myself. A lot of men here think women are going to make a false accusation and send them to jail just for saying shooting their shot, and a lot of women here have bizarre views of men and dating, as well and project their trauma onto topics involving women There’s a lot of unresolved trauma and that’s not for an internet debate to solve
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 11:36 PM
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No they claim sex is easy but they say “locking up a good guy is hard” An average woman locking up an attractive man is hard. Idk about you but most women date roughly in their league — doctors dating mid waitresses is not a widespread thing In the real world, average women can get commitment from average guys with good qualities pretty easily like you said but I feel like it’s women who are talking about how hard it is to find a good guy if anything
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:23 PM
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Not just that, the other person is able to push boundaries and ask for more. It’s way easier to replace them when they start feeling dissatisfied than the other way around Most relationships aren’t like that obviously, but the ones that are tend to be very dysfunctional from what I’ve seen
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:06 PM
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To be fair, this dynamic is true for most relationships where there’s a very clear gap in attractiveness Those bigger women you see with shredded guys at the gym almost always treat them like kings, and ugly guys with attractive women are almost always whipped There’s a reason these people can’t find somebody in their league who will put up with their shit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:51 PM
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Do manosphere guys really say dating is hard as an average woman? I feel like I see the opposite But yeah, dating as an average woman is pretty easy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:49 PM
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I get the impression most of the people chiming in don’t actually have casual sex. “Pushing boundaries” is a little vague — is it making a move or respecting it when she says no? The former is goofy because men and women collectively agreed the man is the one who should initiate, and the latter shouldn’t be debated because no it means no
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:42 PM
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For sex, not commitment Attractive women do compete with attractive men for exclusivity on dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:34 PM
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Yes, most normal people do not follow manosphere or pink pill content in general. I just explained what OP is talking about and where it came from since you asked who’s saying it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:26 PM
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I don’t know if I’d agree with “horrible” dating advice but you’re better off taking advice from men who navigates successful relationships, not just hookups Women can only speak for what works for them and their social circle which is hardly different from an echo chamber. It can be useful but I’d rather learn from a man who dates many different kind of women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:22 PM
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You might not be around it, but saying like “yearners are earners” is fairly common saying in women dating spaces online. That goofy pink pill stuff is basically the women’s version of the manosphere and it’s just as bad for men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:15 PM
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The best advice for men is to match energy and don’t waste your time on women who aren’t putting in effort You showed interested by initiating, then the ball is in her court and you act accordingly. In an ideal world, both men and women would be honest upfront but you kinda have to play the field a little bit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:10 PM
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It’s not viable if you’re going outside with the sole purpose of finding women. Most non-OLD couples meet through “rare circumstances” or mutual friends, not by cold approaching There’s plenty of ways you can naturally talk with women that’s not waiting for them to approach you. Hell, I had two small talk conversations with women just today
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:09 PM
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One of my friends met his current girlfriend at a runner’s club just last year. They were paired up together, they talked, vibed well and now they’re dating. Another guy met his partner because she smiled at him when they locked eyes Not sure what’s confusing here, but these are not mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:52 PM
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https://www.timeout.com/usa/news/irl-dating-is-back-as-millennials-and-gen-z-ditch-dating-apps-061324 Speed dating and real life meet events have been increasingly popular
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:49 PM
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Last I checked OLD has actually been declining over the last 2 years, at least among GenZ OLD fatigue seems to be increasingly common
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:06 PM
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Hard to say for sure online, but it is socially acceptable to initiate at bars and clubs I don’t really consider it cold approaching in that context. The environment is always warm approaching unlike say, a woman walking down the street minding her own business
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:33 PM
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Hit the gym, dress well, practice social skills (talking with women and make platonic friends) and expand your social circle Some men just won’t succeed on dating apps because of biological factors out of their control, but if you can’t get a single woman interested in you in real life then you’re doing something wrong or not actually putting yourself out there You see ugly women dating ugly men all the time, it can be done for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:18 PM
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Are a lot of men here really advocating for cold approaching? Because telling men to avoid dating apps for approaching women in real life doesn’t mean you’re suggesting cold approaching I think apps are useless for most men nowadays, but you can still approach women in real life if you’re putting yourself out there and looking for choosing signals
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:04 PM
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Best explanation I can think of is the goomba theory. I’m sure a lot of the women wary of man aren’t going to their houses, but I can say from experience there is definitely overlap to some degree That said, it’s still very bizarre we have a dating culture where Netflix and Chill is a normal first “date,” while going out for a real date is considered risky
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:10 AM
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If you’re a high quality man or woman and putting yourself out there (e.g. not just going to work, gym then doomscrolling) then you’ll find somebody. I don’t think that’s ever going to change If you’re average, especially as a man then luck plays a way bigger factor than it ever did. That said, I do believe we’ll see GenZ and Gen Alpha pair up more in their 30s and 40s The damage done to dating for young men and women seems to irreversible, at least for the foreseeable future
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:58 AM
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I’d also imagine there’s a fair bit more men participating in the community (like with dating apps) which skews the profile even more I think the notion that every young woman nowadays wants to get tied up and spanked is a little exaggerated, but that’s probably not the best metric
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:21 PM
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Because romance novels and smut affects women just as much as porn does for men, and there’s a huge increase in young women consuming that content
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:15 PM
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Being very attractive definitely plays a part, the halo effect is very real. I also think it’s a cultural shift too I’m not that attractive, but I was able to link up with women on Tinder when I was single. I’m a big foodie so I sometimes took them to a food spot when new items dropped after linking up, and the number of women who told me they never been on a real date was crazy Granted this was in our 20s, but the way we approach dating feels fundamentally broken
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:46 PM
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I will never understand how some women are comfortable going over to some guy’s place they barely know off Tinder to link, but are terrified of something as mundane as a date Maybe I’m just old but it feels very backwards to me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:28 PM
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There’s more attractive women than there are attractive men, and women are a lot pickier so it makes sense Attractive men have their pick of the litter on dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:23 PM
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I think it depends what that routine is My partner doesn’t wear makeup or dress as nice all the time as when we started dating, nor do we have sex almost everyday either and she put on a few pounds. I think it’d be a bit unreasonable to expect that longterm in a relationship People putting in less effort isn’t unique to men, but it depends what it is and whether it just slows down or stops altogether. If you stop taking your woman out to dates altogether that’s bad, but slowing it down to once o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:57 PM
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Socially calibrated people do not ask for permission to ask sexual questions. Do people in this subreddit go outside lol You take into consideration if they’re okay with it or not through social cues. If I’m flirting back and forth with a woman, no socially adjusted man will gonna ask for permission because it comes off as unnatural Obviously if she’s not into it then you should stop immediately, but the sleazy men who don’t care aren’t going to be listening to this advice anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:37 PM
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That’s always been my motto It’s crazy to me that men are buying whole ass meals for women they don’t even know
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:17 PM
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That’s why you always do cheap first dates. I took my partner to a cute ice cream spot on our first date and it was barely $10 The women who are demanding men take them to expensive first dates are looking for a foodie call or barely interested in them. Women date and sleep with men who do cheap first dates all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:19 PM
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If most men statistically aren’t pumping and dumping women (men date most of the women they sleep with), then it indicates the incels you’re referring to are a minority by definition. And if you genuinely believe PPD men are largely reflective of real life, it might be time to touch grass anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:43 PM
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Yes, and those incels you’re referring to online are a statistical minority of single men. Hence my point that most men do not pump and dump women Going by the average number of relationships, the average men ends up dating most of the women they sleep with. It’s possible they pump and dump 1-2 women for funsies, but it’s quite unlikely given the dating pattern
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:23 PM
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The average man has about 6ish partners in their lifetime. The men who are running through pumping and dumping women are a statistical minority Yes, I’m sure there’s some incels who would do the same If they had the opportunity, but most men just want a relationship That’s like me saying most women would want to be a sugar baby if they were attractive enough lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:56 PM
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I actually agree on dating apps. A lot of men and women on there are in a relationship, and nearly half of women are only on there for validation or a foodie call, and most of the other half aren’t relationship material to put it lightly lol Dating apps are a cesspool and aren’t reflective of real life for either gender. Most people in real life are normal
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:40 PM
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Depends what you mean by good Most men and women are not high quality partners, but most people aren’t bad people. If most of the men or women you’re dating are bad people, it might be time for some self-reflection People with rough childhoods tend to prefer toxic partners
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:27 PM
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There aren’t many high quality relationship quality men and women so I get why women say this. That said, this idea that men get less matches but the options they get are higher quality is really silly Most women do not have their shit together or they have a lot of baggage. I’m sure men are just as guilty, but high quality women get sniped off the dating market fast
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:29 PM
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Discounting religious reasons, 70% of couples had sex within the first month Whether you like it or agree is entirely irrelevant, but it’s statistically the normal pace for couples who end up in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:38 PM
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If you read the read of my post, I mention that it’s fine if you need months to know somebody before becoming physical with them It’s also fine if the man wants to date at a more normal pace
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:25 PM
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I agree to an extent, especially with the “if he/she wanted to they would” mindset My issue is less with not being ready, but curving and not saying anything. At best it’s an indication of poor communication on their part, but for most women it means the sparks just isn’t there This all ties back to what OP said about men wanting to feel desired. I’ve taken it slow with a few women because they communicated their situations clearly with me, but if you don’t say anything it feels like she’s not i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:24 AM
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I’ve always said foreplay and courting never ends even with marriage. If he’s not putting in effort then that’ll hurt her sex drive, and it goes both ways for men My partner is still as lustful as when we first started dating because of that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:35 AM
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aggressively accuses me of being a tease I don’t know how your dates go, but for most guys we just smile or apologize and go about the date as usual. After the date I’m not planing on seeing her again I was very shy and awkward when I first started dating so I get where you’re coming from, but it’s just not an excuse. When I was awkward but never explained myself, most women thought I was weird. When I briefly explained, “I’m gonna be honest with you, I’m new to dating so that might’ve came out …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:30 AM
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It’s fine if you wanted to but you’re too nervous, but it’s on you to communicate that. If you’re genuine and your body language and vibes are congruent then most guys will understand But if I get curved for a hug or kiss and she doesn’t say anything then there won’t be a second date — most guys will take it as her not being interested Being awkward isn’t a good excuse and it’s on you to manage any social misunderstandings from it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:00 AM
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Speaking from experience, the women who need 5+ dates just want a friend first but won’t say it because they don’t know it or because it’ll turn off most guys Now there’s nothing inherently wrong with that, but there’s nothing wrong with men who want the normal dating experience either
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:21 PM
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If it’s not for religious reasons and it’s been more than 3 dates and nothing is happening, the large majority of the time it’s due to a lack of romantic interest I’ve waited more than 3 dates for just two women, and it’s because they made me feel wanted and showed genuine desire the entire time. “Cuddle and kiss” can be enough, but if it’s being done to placate instead of actual enthusiasm it’s very easy to tell and will turn most men off To his point, if you’re going to make somebody wait long…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:07 PM
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I don’t agree with the first part, but if a woman rejects a hug or even a kiss then she’s usually not interested And most men are definitely saying they want mutual effort and interest — it’s literally one of biggest complaints I see from young men in modern dating (especially on dating apps)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:51 PM
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No, women in this thread are explicitly saying they should be acknowledged for basic relationship duties like emotional labor. That’s entirely different from what you’re describing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:04 PM
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Not easy all the time, but parenting and emotional labor is definitely way easier for some more than others This thread is a really good indication of that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:23 PM
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Honestly, it feels like a lot of these women just don’t like their partners based on what I read online. I’ve never considered the idea of comforting my partner as “labor” in any way Not to say that completely emotionally dumping on your partner all the time is healthy or it can’t manifest in negative ways of course, but that’s a separate discussion That’s like me asking for a medal or acknowledgment for not treating my partner like garbage or being faithful to her when I go out — it’s the bare …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:08 PM
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In the US the diff between female job + home labor vs male is about 8 minutes per day. To be fair, when kids are involved the gap does increase to about an hour or two extra labor a week in women’s favor. Without kids, data consistently shows labor is relatively even when you factor in men work more hours than their partners When children are involved I think there is a discussion to be had, but when I see all these childless women online claiming their partners just game and watch tv all day I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:58 PM
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You’re right, I meant the quote the person above you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:13 PM
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You’re not meeting the right woman. All the women I dated had crazy high sex drives, some even more than me A lot of men think this because they chase women who clearly aren’t interested in them and think it’s normal
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:20 PM
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FWIW, this is true of FDS which openly advocates as much. There’s also entire communities on social media that encourage women to do this too. It’s pretty much the gender flipped version of the manosphere But this thread is also kinda pointless since it’s just a truism. Yeah a lot of women do use sex as a reward and they’re shitty people — just dump them and move on. It applies to women when they complain about men who don’t do chores or whatever and it applies here too
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:17 PM
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I don’t really have any strong feelings if somebody on Reddit wants to avoid or hate men or not I’m just pointing out how categorizing an entire group of people as dangerous because of bad experiences is uh, usually not good
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:21 AM
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Stats show the overwhelming majority of men are not violent (less than 0.2%). Most violent crimes are done by repeat offenders going in and out of prison or probation Nothing wrong with being wary of men as a woman, and I’d probably even recommend it. Being wary is a lot different than being prejudiced against a group of people
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:06 AM
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The stats don’t show that black people are inherently more violent than any other ethnic group. This is true, but it’s also not addressing the point The argument isn’t that black people are inherently more violent, but it’s that racists use their experiences with black people to justify hateful rhetoric. Which to his point, is also being done here I actually think it’s fine to have negative personal opinions of men, women, or any race if you have constant bad experiences with them. You should no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:51 AM
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It depends If your preference is 18 year old girls without body hair who talks in a baby voice and dresses like a child, then I would agree something more is there and your hard drive should probably be checked If your preference is 25 year old women without body hair but she’s normal, has a big ass or tits, has a job, and you believe it means they secretly want to prey on children then you’re very likely an idiot and spend too much time online Enough women have a preference for hairless men tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 08:09 PM
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It’s just a weird strawman. There are freaks that are attracted to children (from both genders), but they’re a statistical minority The reasons pedophiles are attracted to first graders can be different from why young women are attractive, and I’m surprised this has to be said
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:13 PM
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To each their own, but I don’t think you can “logic” your way into sexual compatibility by asking a lot of sex questions You can get a decent idea, but you don’t know how you’re gonna feel until it happens. I’ve been with enough women where the vibes where there and the “sexy talk” was fire but the spark just wasn’t there when it came down to it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:03 AM
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What if a woman enjoys being gone down on, but the man she’s dating isn’t comfortable giving oral? Or she doesn’t like his size (too big or small)? Some women squirt everywhere, some women can’t do certain position, and some people are just really bad at sex I’m sure certain things can be discussed, but it doesn’t sound realistic in practice
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:11 AM
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if you have great communication sex should be great. I don’t see how communication can fix sexual incompatibility If I really like a girl who does X but she’s not comfortable doing X, then our sex life won’t be great and it’ll lead to resentment down the line
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:49 PM
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Exactly. Being cool and non-judgmental will dramatically increase your odds of escalating and her being honest about her past if it matters to you Easiest way is to just genuinely be non-judgmental about it and still try to be interested in her as a person. Whether she slept with one guy or 100 guys it doesn’t inherently make her a bad person. A lot of hoes are super chill honestly; maybe not compatible for a LTR but you can make a good friend or FWB out of it. Or even just a fun night if you ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:14 PM
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If a woman finds you attractive or likes you she’ll always makes things easy. Maybe not jump you on the first date for some women, but escalation should go very smoothly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:41 PM
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A lot of women on Reddit are neurodivergent in some way so I wouldn’t be surprised. I probably wouldn’t say 90%, but I’d wager a fair portion of these “weaponized incompetences” threads are leaving out details It’s the woman equivalent of “she never told me she was upset before filing for divorce.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:11 PM
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Eh, I somewhat agree in spirit but not entirely. Women’s “dating gurus” do not tell women they should lose weight or hit the gym, but rather give mindset lessons on how to approach and deal with men to find your perfect partner. It’s a little more nuanced than “you’re perfect” and reassurance Men’s dating advice involves attracting women while women’s advice is telling women how to approach dating and pick the right person because those are the hardest parts to navigate for them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:11 PM
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Yeah that sounds like a miserable situation. Definitely sounds like she just wants control, especially if she’s demeaning you in front of her friends. Disrespect like that would’ve made me walk out fast It never got that bad with my ex fortunately — we agreed that we would do the chores we want done in a very specific way. If it got to the point where I was constantly being scolded for “not cleaning dishes the right way” then I probably would’ve checked out too There’s definitely some men who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:58 PM
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“Doing chores wrong” is a classic lmao Clothes have to be folded a particular kind of way, dishes have to be done in a specific order, you have to cook food the way they’re used to etc. Some men are definitely genuine slobs, but I suspect a lot of complaints I see online are from very Type A women who want chores done their way so they end up doing them instead They don’t date other people who are as particular about cleaning because they know it’s not fun living with somebody like that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:32 PM
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Nobody is blaming women OP is saying they’re incompatible and should move on to somebody else who matches their frequency
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:29 PM
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If you’re always picking manchildren or gold diggers it usually reflects more on you You’re free to go to the Red Pill route and blame an entire gender for it, but it’s not very productive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:57 PM
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There’s literally a comment in this thread saying men are trash because of this lol Sexism is so normalized in this subreddit (from both men and women) that you can’t even see it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:33 PM
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Blaming a whole gender because you picked somebody incompatible with you is goofy, whether it’s disparaging men or women I’ve had ex-partners who couldn’t cook or do certain basic adult tasks, and it’s just as silly to say “blame girls” over the fact that I didn’t pick the right person
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:29 PM
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Honestly, it works with both men and women. If you create a fun, non-judgmental space and ask the right questions, most people will naturally open up to you or at the very least give you hints you can piece together Having good social skills works way better than just autistically asking their body count or whatever lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:39 AM
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”better you wouldn’t make me wait if I was a Chad.” I feel like most socially calibrated men know you have to create a non-judgmental space for her to open up. If you ask the right questions you’ll know her history through context clues, and whether you want to pursue a LTR or not I went on a lot of first dates when I was single and it always worked for me at least
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:10 AM
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Only 30% of women are conservative, whereas 42% of young women identify as progressives so I’d be genuinely surprised if they weren’t decently represented in that stat YMMV, but I dated Bernie supporters back in college and a lot of them were fairly traditional in their preferences too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:35 PM
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Even then, how is that wrong? I’m not claiming it’s wrong, and neither is OP to my understanding Some people (particularly in certain online groups) conflate dating preferences with morality, which just isn’t true for either men or women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:20 PM
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I believe people should be able to practice their religions. Doesn’t mean I have to be religious. I actually agree that we don’t have to match our beliefs in what we look for in a partner, but this a libertarian position specifically A better analogy would be a progressive believing nobody should be judged for sleeping around, but also avoids promiscuous partners in LTRs I don’t there’s anything inherently wrong with this either, but it’s an interesting thought experiment (which men sometimes do…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:11 PM
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63% of women reported they wouldn’t date a man who had any sexual experience with another man My experience talking with bi guys seems to line up with data too; lots of women get the ick
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:59 PM
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Agreed. I’ve had close FWBs and still have really good female friends but it’s just not the same connection as my partner Most people cannot love their friends the same way they love their husband or wife
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 03:12 PM
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Agreed. There’s kernels of truth into what the manosphere says about some aspects of dating being unfair to men, but complaining about it is antithetical to this extremely stoic caricature that they’re trying to represent Everybody complaints about dating and perceived unfairness and neither men or women should be singled out here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:24 PM
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I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed this. Almost feels like a parody lol I do think men complain more than they acknowledge, but a lot of women complain more than they recognize
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:59 PM
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Men complain for the same reasons that women complains — they feel something is unfair (women having much easier access to sex) and the justification isn’t really relevant to that feeling Take student loans for example — you see a lot of women complain about it online. It should be expected for you to pay off what you borrowed, but at the same time I can understand why they feel that way despite the justification
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:53 PM
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I’d probably agree with the original definition from the PUA days, but the way manosphere and TRPs use blue pill is synonymous with woke and progressive folks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:25 PM
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Honestly yeah. Most people in real life don’t share the extreme viewpoints of some of the ‘blue pillers’ here when it comes to dating either, but they definitely don’t buy into TRP either By definition, I suppose it’s correct but the spectrum is so incredibly broad that it completely loses the intention behind its original meaning
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:06 PM
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I have a partner and I don’t pretend that it inherently indicates my advice for young women is good I know from experience a lot of married men give bad advice too. It means something, but not much in itself
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:50 PM
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Pretty much. The advice here is very clearly women-coded and will lead you to be taken advantage of. Just like some men are shitty, women have the potential to lie, cheat and take advantage of people just as much as men You absolutely should not put up with women who aren’t showing clear interest in you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:43 PM
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Studies actually indicate that less attractive women have higher number of partners than very attractive women, and I agree with this from my experience too Attractive women are usually very picky with who they sleep with, and are less likely to sleep with somebody to win them over. A lot of my heavier friends told me they slept with guys earlier than they wanted to back in college for that reason, which is a bit unfortunate There were some “easy” hot women back in my frat parties, but most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:26 PM
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It’s true a lot of men here haven’t been in relationships, but it’s also true a lot of women here are in their 40s and have zero clue how dating works for men at a low-level Ain’t no way I’m giving my son dating advice I see from women on this subreddit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:19 PM
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It’s unfortunate to see women here having such warped views of men that the only reason they would want effort is because of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:50 PM
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Feminine men and socially awkward men are judged more harshly than masculine women and socially awkward women as far as relationship roles are concerned. You’re also expected to take the initiative and lead as a man, whereas women can bounce between either Not blaming women for it or saying they’re bad people for It, but it’s just reality that women’s roles in dating are a lot more fluid than men’s for at least the last decade or so
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:40 PM
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Hard agree on women collectively not being as progressive as society makes us believe Even the most progressive, blue-haired, hairy armpit feminists love it when a man pays for dates. Women generally have a strong aversion to bisexual men, and they actually slut shame (both men and other women) more than men do. Not to mention voting habits I don’t think it negatively reflects badly on women or anything (these are just preferences after all), but it is interesting to see the difference in percep…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:34 PM
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Men’s roles don’t really restrict Men’s roles in relationships are absolutely socially and culturally restrictive lol Now it’s not as restrictive as say women in the 1950s, but women are far less restricted than men are in the modern era
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:26 PM
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being cautious around certain groups of people if you have bad experience with them. I’d probably even encourage it There’s a difference between being showing personal caution and publicly pushing narratives that men are violent. Take the manosphere for example — those dweebs clearly have negative experiences with women that shaped their viewpoints, but it’s not right for them to publicly call women hoes or gold diggers either
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:16 PM
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how much of women’s discourse is them telling her to leave an ugly abusive man and the woman in question refusing. Is the woman in question ugly too? Because studies consistently show most men and women date within their own league Fwiw from being friends with women and having dated a lot when I was younger, I do agree women’s relationships standards really aren’t that high and some women do put up with a lot. The prerequisites to get there is a lot higher unless there’s alcohol involved and tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:14 PM
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I dated a lot of women on and off dating apps, and I can say this is a myth too Unattractive women have thousands of options on dating apps if they live in any metro area, and most women get hit on if they’re in social gatherings if they make themselves approachable and give signals Not to say they don’t have dating struggles, but when they say “no man wants me” I find that they’re either just not putting themselves out there or just being too selective and filtering out too many people
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 06:36 AM
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Not agreeing with the personal attack, but to his point it sounds like you two are bigger and probably in the same league dating each other. You see unattractive men in relationships all the time in real life, but they’re usually dating more “homely” women When people say “looks matter most” they usually mean for example, a 9/10 woman usually won’t have a LTR with a 5/10 guy even if he has a great personality. Exceptions exist obviously, but data shows most people date within their league Both m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 06:23 AM
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You’re correct but it’s not really a women specific. Most young men and women can’t cook nowadays, and their diets are trash in different ways When I was single and I noticed this a lot when I went over to their place. Their cabinets were empty and the fridge was filled with just sweets, condiments and takeout leftovers lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:52 PM
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I’m glad I’m not terminally online enough to know what this is before this thread, but I can confidently say you should avoid anybody who unironically uses the word manslamming and that their opinions are worth very little
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:47 PM
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Most women today won’t respond well to this at all. You and your social circle are not most women. From my experience with a lot of different women from many different social circles — it works pretty well. A lot of women in this thread share similar opinions too so I’m not sure what to tell you If you’re struggling to get even a single phone number then this isn’t some magical fix and I’m not saying it is. If you’re a sexless young man there’s a dozen steps to work on first before any dating ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 04:14 PM
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It’s all a numbers game to most of you anyways. Ironic because I’m suggesting the literal opposite by filtering out some women to improve the overall quality. Numbers game is what the other guy is suggesting which I’m disagreeing with lol That said, if you’re a sexless 22 year old PPD young man don’t do this. This only works if you have some options and can be a little picky
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 03:50 PM
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I have a partner so I don’t need it, but thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 03:38 PM
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But you are talking about a literal stranger. Uh, you realize women know if they’re interested within minutes of your interaction right? If you’re still cagey about whether to see me after that then I’m not interested, which is the point of doing this 99% of women are going to assume that if YOU are “genuinely interested” in them, then you will contact them first. No, you just have to initiate contact which shows interest. It’s a novel idea, but I want women to reciprocate interest back I don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 03:28 PM
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A lot of men here have a defeatist mindset when approaching dating. They think being as available as possible and having no standards makes it easier to attract women when it does the literal opposite and makes their limited pool even worse Nothing repels women more than desperation, and women are great at sensing it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:22 PM
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This only really works if you’re a hot dude tbh. You only have to be hot enough for her You’re not wrong that women won’t do it for most guys but that’s kinda the point — you want to weed out women who aren’t very interested
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:08 PM
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Ok she texts you but you’re on your way out with the guys. I don’t know how you text women, but her first text will be something basic like “hey it’s X.” If I’m out with someone I’ll respond when I get home and plan a time to link up then. I keep it pretty simple I never did spontaneous meets for either hookups or dates — I’m way too busy and organized for that. I ain’t ruining my schedule for some poom lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:38 PM
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You get her number. You text her. Then you do your own thing make your own plans. Again, you can live your life, hangout with friends and chat up other women after dropping your number too. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand here Also setting a date on the first text is way too strong and will lead to her ghosting you if you only talked on a dating app. Even if you grab her number, don’t do this
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:18 PM
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”I am sitting by my phone waiting” You realize this scenario happens regardless of who gives out their number first right? She still has to text you back If you’re desperately waiting by your phone it makes you look pathetic independent of any choice you make
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:56 PM
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hungry dogs go hunting Yes, men should take the initiative and show that initial interest. But there has to be some degree of reciprocity that’s not present in either of your analogies I’ve gotten more women off the app from asking their numbers, but the conversion rate between dating apps and actual dates or links were much higher after dropping my number
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:44 PM
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I’ve only done it a handful of times in real life, but it was very effective on dating apps from my experience If she enjoyed the interaction and your vibe then she’ll text your number (usually it’s just a basic “Hi it’s X from Tinder”). A lot of women use dating apps for validation or boredom so doing this weeds them out very well
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:27 PM
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Not a good analogy. Most people do not like salesman by default, but if a woman is genuinely interested in you then you shouldn’t have to “sell” yourself to her
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:24 PM
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I know it gets clowned on when guys list ‘sex’ as a notable contribution to a relationship (which is valid), but it’s surprising how many women also believe this lol It’s probably effective for young sexless men on PPD, but probably not as much for guys with options who aren’t desperate for poom poom
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:19 PM
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Pretty much, but I don’t think this is women genuinely embracing conservatism though. I saw a lot of wild women in college who suddenly marketing themselves as “traditional” on dating apps after graduating and struggling on the job market lol Even in these viral “soft girl” videos, they’re not actually pushing for conservative values outside of maybe celibacy. It’s just women LARPIng because of the horrible economy imo
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:09 PM
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The data isn’t fabricated. Most of those sexless men are just young men in their 20s who will likely find a partner in their 30s even if it’s a “beta bux” relationship And the large majority of women want relationships — don’t let asexual women on Reddit fool you. They’re just more likely to remain single than commit to a relationship they don’t feel is worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:58 PM
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Another source shows that women cheat slightly more until their 30s, then flips by a slight margin in men’s favor and slightly Increases with age. However, the delta between men and women infidelity rates was only 2-8% until their twilight years I know women here complain about men cheating as if it’s some epidemic, but data shows the chance of women cheating isn’t all the different either. Grass is always greener and all that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:19 PM
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Reddit isn’t reflective of reality. Also, the posts you see on relationship advice or this subreddit will skew towards complaints due its nature. Women in happy relationships aren’t complaining on Reddit Data consistently shows most women want relationships just like men do. It’s like how our perception of the number of sexless men in real life is massively skewed because of Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:11 PM
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Women have their equivalent it is hard and confusing there’s no debating it. Not much has changed for women compared to previous generations outside of being more involved in the workplace (and even that’s not required) Men this generation are in the middle of a huge cultural shift where the hyper-masculine fantasy isn’t as effective anymore and the “Goldilocks zone” between masculine and feminine is new ground, poorly defined and pretty thin margins between “toxic masculinity” and being “too fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:19 PM
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I agree, especially when she said “generous.” Attractive, financially successful men aren’t quick to throw their money at most women — life isn’t a romance novel lol Most women I dated weren’t “bad people” either just not the high quality partner that I wanted for in a LTR. It’d be disingenuous to say they’re not good enough people, just not a good fit for me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 06:24 PM
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One point isn’t statically significant While I agree pointing out that women cheating more until their 30s isn’t everything; there isn’t a statistical significant difference between both genders until their twilight years For 99% of the people posting on PPD this is a non-issue and women still cheat at similar rates
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:35 PM
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I’ve seen men drop a lot of money on fancy dates and dinners just for a hug, whereas the same woman would link up with another guy who bought her a Wendy’s 4 for 4 lol The bar has always been the floor for men they find really attractive, and men do this too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:29 PM
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This is my takeaway too I think she’s right that most men don’t meet those standards (while being attractive too), but she’s ignoring that most women don’t meet the gender flipped standards either It’s hard finding high quality men and women because everybody wants them while not offering enough themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:20 PM
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This feels like confusing the idea of inconsistency with the idea of invalidity. I think you’re confusing my stance. I think is a valid argument, it just loses a lot of the moral significance from the particular person making it If they’re engaging in a similar behavior I can understand that sex trafficking is bad, but if it’s Diddy lecturing me about it then you just kinda scoff because the words are empty from that person, not because sex trafficking is suddenly less immoral in itself or that …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:38 AM
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Yeah this is pretty much how most operate honestly. Most people in the real world aren’t “blue pill” or “red pill” they just have a set of guiding beliefs that they operate with A lot of the people here are “blue pill” but I disagree with them just as much as the goofy red pillers which indicates how useless it is to be part of these broad pill communities online
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:24 AM
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Most of the critiques I see levied against the porn industry is about the well documented exploitation pipeline I think this is valid, but it loses most of its meaning because a lot of these same people also own iPhones, drink coffee and buy clothing from places where impoverished children are being exploited in sweatshops and deplorable living conditions. It feels like selective virtue signaling since the vast majority of Americans consume at least some product from a harmful industry or at lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:59 AM
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Why exactly would one argue in any good faith that’s it’s on women to solve that? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here Are you suggesting that addressing these communities wouldn’t benefit women and decrease female murder rate? Or you acknowledge that it would, but it should be only on men to solve it? While it’s true that these men ultimately leave their families, it ignores the fact that these women have autonomy over who they have unprotected sex (many having multiple BMs already). I’m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:33 AM
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From the data I’ve seen, sons from Republican parents largely vote Republican while daughters are closer to 50/50. Not sure how the numbers look with progressive birth rates tanking though I last saw that GenZ was trending conservative but that seems to have completely been erased after Trump got elected
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:50 PM
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Agreed. It reflects badly on them and it’s not your job to placate every single woman you interact with
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:18 PM
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Cops investigated, found no wrongdoing on his part and charged her for a felony for her criminal behavior instead You’re giving way too much power to these weirdos
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:09 PM
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Cops aren’t terminally online weirdos, they’re not gonna do anything if you’re acting normal lol There are definitely unhinged women who think you touching her tit when consensually making out is rape or something, but they’re a minority and their trauma is not your problem
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:58 PM
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Even the most sexually assertive, kink friendly women still want the man to make to initiate. As long as you read body language, be respectful, escalate one step at a time (not going from a kiss to shoving your hand down her pants), and back off when she says no when “pushing boundaries” then there’s not really a problem There’s some women who will be personally offended or whatever because you didn’t read her mind perfectly, but that’s not your problem
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:38 PM
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However men DO want to be desired for their genitals. Women want to be desired for their bodies for men they really like and find attractive too; everybody does. Very few men and women want to be desired solely for their genitals outside of maybe hookups (and most men and women aren’t involved in hookup culture) If you think this is a common belief among men you gotta touch some grass and not just talk to men on PPD or bars/clubs
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 08:29 PM
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Most women aren’t salivating over convicted felons but there is a percentage of women who do. Most women know they’re dangerous For the most part, these convicted felons come from broken homes where their abusive patterns are learned behaviors from their parents. Same for the women who date them It’s a nuanced topic but it’s easier for performative people to just blame men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:49 PM
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Put on some muscle and develop a confident personality where you’re comfortable saying “no” to her sometimes and you’re set It’s easier said than done, but most men can do it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:55 PM
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You’re not. You’ll be a “Chad” to somebody if you put yourself out there enough Issue is a lot of guys throw away money and settle with women who don’t do the bare minimum. It usually ends up with a dead bedroom, their wives suddenly complaining about chores despite nothing changing and a divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:43 PM
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I don’t think men or women should have to care about the others issue so you might be replying to the wrong guy here I’m just pointing out that you’re still a victim of violence even if you don’t end up with serious injuries with your original claim
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:16 PM
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That part is true. But that’s a little different from saying men aren’t considered victims too just because there’s fewer cases of serious injuries
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:01 PM
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A lot of this is just performative. Like manosphere dudes that complain about men’s issues but don’t do anything about it and just shame the other gender for it There’s roughly 1300 women killed by their partners in the US annually, and the vast majority are from men that are convicted felons and a large criminal history. People can use this data to take actionable steps if they actually cared Overwhelmingly majority of violent crime is done by repeat offenders and men from broken homes; both ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:59 PM
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No. Men are just as likely to be abused by their partners as well lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:52 PM
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I thought it was obvious that physical abusive rates were similar among men and women The amount of men you see getting hit by their woman in public alone is shocking and most people don’t even register it. If you ask most guys who had LTRs with women, most will have stories of their partners hitting them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:26 PM
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I would be fine with dating someone more conservative than myself as long as they aren’t trump supporters Yeah this sentiment seems to be the norm I saw a survey that a surprising number were open to dating non-MAGA conservatives, but the vast majority wouldn’t date a MAGA guy. Men have almost always been more conservative than their partner, but MAGA seems to be a hard line for liberal women which I don’t blame them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:53 AM
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We tend to infantilize women more than men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 10:32 PM
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Kinda. It’s mainly women here thinking young women can’t vet men because of their experiences, and they just have warped opinions of men and think them taking advantage of women is a common mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:05 PM
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The average Americans only travels once or twice a year if that. I don’t think most people can afford traveling as a “hobby,” especially young adults They did have little hobbies but most of them didn’t have an active social life outside of maybe hitting the bars downtown once or twice a month Young men and women in general are a lot less socially active compared to previous generations
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 06:46 PM
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Yeah that’s fair. I do think men and women tend to have more active social circles the older they get so it could be an age difference too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:40 PM
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I don’t think there’s much of a difference past those college years and a few years of life experience honestly Too many people here have this weird fixation on age but most people in real life don’t really care from my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:37 PM
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Most single women have active social lives I see this get repeated a lot but data pretty consistently shows young women are just as lonely as young men and the “friendship gap” between men and women is only 3-5% When I was single, most women I dated just went to work, maybe went to the gym, then watched Netflix or doomscrolled on TikTok or IG most days. Young folks are staying in much more than previous generations
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:20 PM
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Deadbeat dads usually grew up in similar environments and lacked a positive male role model growing up but I’m sure you’d agree they’re still responsible for their decisions. I’m sympathetic in both cases, but ultimately it’s their personal responsibility to ensure the new life has the best possible opportunity And yes, I blame the deadbeat dad more
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:22 PM
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I actually agree. Men and women raised in broken homes tend to perpetuate that cycle and date other hurt people because it’s normal for them I think that’s a valid point, but I’m just not sold on the idea that it’s just a dice roll or anything
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:04 PM
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To match your argument, the data has to specifically show that considerably more married men say they want to be more involved with their children’s lives than unmarried men do. My argument specifically is that married men rarely turn into deadbeats (e.g. no involvement with the kids life) The married men in these studies already have children and involved in their lives, and they want to be more involved. By definition they are not deadbeats and is enough to substantiate my point. It inherently…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:24 PM
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Based on? There’s a lot of data that shows the large majority of married men want to be more involved with their children’s lives, despite what you might read from women on this subreddit The studies are out there if you actually care Most women aren’t getting pregnant from one night stands I didn’t say this was the case impulsive behavior Yes, some men and women do breakup families with shitty decisions but we’re talking about uninvolved men. Divorced and separated men can and still do see thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:05 PM
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You can’t just get to know someone and predict their behavior until the end of time. You can’t always predict somebody changing, but it’s fairly easy to predict whether a man is going to be a deadbeat or not Married men turning into deadbeats and abandoning their children is rare. Most deadbeats stems from casual encounters and short term relationships It should be obvious, but the chances of a man who invested years into the relationship, bought you a ring, planned for the kid and is enthusiast…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:55 PM
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Women are solely responsible for their own reckless behavior and equally responsible for the child, but I think deadbeat dads bare more responsibility for not being there yes Like I said, not a zero sum game
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 03:36 PM
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The simple answer is women love creampies and lack the self-restraint in the moment just like men You’d be very surprised by the amount of women who let guys hit it raw and without birth control lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 03:12 PM
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Women are not mind readers This doesn’t refute what I said You don’t have to be a mind reader to know it’s reckless behavior to make the conscious decision to have unprotected sex with a guy you barely know and keep it Again, I’m not absolving these men (they’re shitty people) but you can still acknowledge that some of these women made reckless decisions that played a role
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:59 PM
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Spouses are not legally responsible for the bad behavior of their partner. Married men abandoning their children is rare Most of the deadbeat dads come from casual encounters or short term relationships. Not that it absolves them from their shitty behavior, but it should also be acknowledged that it’s also very irresponsible to make the conscious decision to let guys who don’t want anything to do with kids bust inside you and keep the baby No idea why responsibility has to be a zero sum game whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:26 PM
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that is different from you said It’s not, you just can’t read
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:10 PM
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Since you won’t answer that, I’m just gonna keep making guesses. I think it’s really because you guys don’t like it when women are capable of humiliating men and showing that they are replicable in the dating market. I don’t think anybody except terminally online weirdos who spend their time trolling on PPD actually have this thought process
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 09:44 PM
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Posting on your story to make somebody jealous so he asks for exclusivity instead of communicating you want a relationship or ending the situationship is drama, or immature at best Feels like that should be obvious to any well adjusted adult but maybe not PPD women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 09:00 PM
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I’m sympathetic to both groups, but selectively deciding that the guy who pushes drugs and hangs out with gangbangers getting murdered “is facing consequences” while the woman with (likely) a criminal record and hangs out with gangbangers is “just existing” is disingenuous at best But it’s funny you call me extreme while justifying men with shitty upbringings getting murdered though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 08:23 PM
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4B women aren’t a thing in the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:43 PM
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“Consequences” would be breaking it off. Posting on your story to get a rise out of somebody instead of directly addressing conflict is very clearly drama
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:46 PM
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It does sound like she did it vindictively. Yeah the guy’s a loser, but she sounds like drama
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:19 PM
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Also as a college boy woman shame men for not being circumcised From my experience this is only from porn-brained women. It’s like the men who shame women for not always having a freshly shaven pussy or for having a bigger labia It happens, but it shouldn’t be a relevant factor in your decision imo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:01 PM
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I can’t imagine this is common. If parents are drilling flawless hygiene into their children routine then they’re very likely teaching boys to clean their foreskin lol We don’t pull baby teeth or shave off boys and girls hairs just because some parents fail to teach their children hygiene habits
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:22 PM
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The women who hookup or have situationships with attractive men but also don’t want a relationship aren’t complaining, no The women who do want something more out of it definitely are. I’m just pointing out how there is a group of women that are fine with casual arrangements like that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:12 PM
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I think most people know whether or not they see a future with the person within the first few dates and sex and that most people intuitively know this I believe the person avoiding the exclusivity talk does it because they think the other person will say no and shatter the illusion. If nothing is said, you still have plausible deniability
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:09 PM
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I think there’s two groups of women here — one group is fine with just hooking up and another that wants more out of it I think a lot more young women are fine with situationships than folks here would admit, but it’s hard to tell because they’re not complaining about it online. But there’s definitely a vocal group of women that expect commitment just from sex, which just isn’t a thing in the modern dating era
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:03 PM
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Pretty sure OP is a troll, but I have been noticing a recent trend on social media of women promoting abstinence and telling other women that casual sex is bad I’m sure conservatives are dancing with joy that more young women are adopting this mindset, but like you said I don’t think you can put the toothpaste back into the tube and completely return to this traditional mindset Desirable men having access to sex without any form of commitment or investment is just the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:16 PM
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This must be how women feel when men talk their women-focused issues Watching women talk about male circumcision and selective service in this thread is certainly something lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 02:33 PM
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Idk where you got the idea that radical leftists have the monopoly on pussy Because a lot of women here are in echo chambers and saw a few viral clips of conservative men getting rejected on dating shows by leftists Even among the young left-leaning women, data shows women are only turned off by hard MAGA and are actually open to dating “normal” right-leaning men. This idea that women are gonna stop dating and hooking up with men they’re attracted to is such a terminally online idea lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:18 PM
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It’s unfortunate that so many adults in the US fall for this false narrative that circumcision is necessary because of a handful of cases
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:00 PM
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When you first register to vote as a male, you’re asked to sign up for selective service I guess technically you “can” vote without signing up for the draft but doing so is a crime and it explicitly says so
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:51 PM
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I think you’re suggesting that women who date gangbangers are as culpable in their own murder as the gangbanges are I think you’re just being very selective of culpability so you can fixate on gender If being killed because you’re involved in crime is “consequences of your own actions” (which undermines how many of them are born into that life but let’s roll with it), then knowingly dating somebody actively involved in crime and likely participating is hardly different if you genuinely hold this…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:36 PM
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Mens’ untimely deaths are often a consequence of their own actions Correct, most are killed specifically by the result of crime and gang violence I’m glad you mentioned crime because the significant majority of violent men that murder their partners are repeat offenders and have an extensive criminal record. The women being killed are often associated with the crime life to some extent too Your chances of being killed by your white colored husband with no criminal record in the US is almost none…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:54 AM
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Yeah I have to agree. It’s the same identity politics but framed through minority men instead of white men from leftists It’s silly in both cases because immigrants actually commit less crime than US citizens, but the worst offenders are over represented in criminal organizations. Likewise; very few men commit violent crime and the one’s that do are almost always repeat offenders with criminal records (like a certain recent train incident). The chances of being killed by your white collared husb…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:29 AM
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he simply takes a shot whenever the opportunity arises. For hookups? I mostly agree Relationships? I don’t think so. Even on Tinder which is notorious for hookups; men surprisingly have a swipe rate of only 45% despite all the desperate guys 100% swiping right bogging it down I think there is a vocal minority of men who would date anything with a pulse, but most men are more selective even if those standards are lower than most women’s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:34 PM
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Physical attraction matters in LTRs. Man or woman, if you’re not attracted to your partner it’ll lead to resentment down the line I suspect you’re young and likely inexperienced (I could be wrong), but it’s something that absolutely matters
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:11 PM
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Attraction is a spectrum. I can be attracted to a heavier woman and only call her over to Netflix and chill, have her pay for food, and drop her for any little mishap. Meanwhile, I can take a different more attractive woman out to fancy dinners and be a lot more lax with her. Those are selective standards, and I’m not saying that’s necessarily a bad thing either I don’t think we disagree in principle here and just phrasing, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:59 PM
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So your newsflash I didn’t say this was any revelation. It should be obvious that women have selective standards just like men do This is just a common discussion point when comparing men and women’s standards, and it’s a fair point so I brought it up
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:46 PM
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When I was single I only dated short, petite women. I don’t care as much about finances as long as she’s within my tax bracket (which is true for most women in real life) but my partner actually makes more than me I’m not even some 6’4 “gigachad” or anything either. Most high interest women have similar standards for men too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:36 PM
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Women have “reasonable” standards for men they’re really attracted to, but it’s much higher for men who don’t meet the looks/charisma threshold But to be fair, it doesn’t sound like you’re arguing for in your OP. I do agree most men in real life have standards, even if they’re lower than women’s standards for most men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:30 PM
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Or at the gym. You see a lot of gym bros walking around with heavier women pretty frequently
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:09 PM
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Kinda agree and disagree I actually agree men’s standards for relationships aren’t all that much lower than women’s standards for men they’re very attracted to. It gets overstated here because a lot of men in this subreddit are young and inexperienced, but most guys with options in real life absolutely have standards for women That said, women’s “reasonable” standard is usually reserved only for very few men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:01 PM
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You’re much more likely to be killed as a man than as a woman in general, which is still very unlikely because we’re in by far the safest time period in history for both men and women It’s just easier to sensationalize using relative numbers. The right does it with immigration crime and the left does it with men being violent
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:17 PM
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You’re correct; it is across the world. The data includes places like Africa and other developing countries where women are treated like properly In the US, it’s about 3-4 women killed by their partners a day and roughly 1300 annually
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:10 PM
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I mean, there’s men in relationships with traditional women who also do most of the providing along with cooking and child care and are happy doing it lol In both cases if it works for you then that’s great, but I wouldn’t encourage most men and women to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:29 AM
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men want women on average more, than women want men Ironically, this is a very strong argument for why you should only date and pay for women interested in you. You don’t have to “invest” in women who are high interest I’ve seen countless guys in frats bring home women with a 4x4 Wendy’s biggie bag, where other guys spend $60 on dinner just for a hug I get most guys can’t regularly do that, but it’s good advice to focus on women who actually want you not the one’s you have to pay and “prove” you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:22 PM
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This is my take too. If she’s traditional and you want that dynamic you should pay as the man. If she’s non-traditional and doesn’t play her role, then you should go 50/50 That said, even the most man-hating hairy armpit feminists still want men to pay so it’s a funny dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:06 PM
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Agreed. Man or woman — you’re not obligated to invest time into somebody and see if they’re healed from their baggage I’ve been on dates and heard certain things that made me peace out, and I’m sure there’s plenty of things a man can tell a woman that would make them feel the same
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:24 AM
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Every time I’ve ever checked a man’s phone, he was watching some freaky shit. If he has GBs of porn videos on his phone and showing it to you, then I’m gonna take a wild guess and say those weird men will more likely to be into weird stuff and not reflective of men as a whole lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:21 PM
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I don’t think most womens complaint is that men masturbate and fantasize while doing so. Yes, a lot of women don’t like porn but erotica is also porn by strict definition Now I agree with the idea of constantly watching hardcore porn all the time can lead to having negative effects on your relationships and how you view women, but I’m gonna take a wild guess and say most men are not watching “barely legal teen gangbang with golden showers” all that often lol Likewise, consuming a lot of smut can…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:35 PM
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I don’t think “creepy porn consumer” has shifted much honestly. They’re weird but not that creepy imo I agree there’s a rise of women openly talking about their erotica, sex stories and gooning over hot male celebrities and it’s just as weird and uncomfortable when men do it with women and porn
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:27 PM
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A Britain study found that about half of the women surveyed read smut and the number is definitely increasing lol With that rise of female gooners, I think it’s fair to have the same discussion and complaints that women have with porn-brained men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:20 PM
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Probably a healthy mix of both You see a lot of the women on AWDTSG and adjacent groups post men after only a few dates as if they were exclusive Men tend to be a few years older than their partners so I’d imagine that’s where most of the disparity comes from though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:46 AM
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They do, but those women tend to be uggos too which is the point. “Uggos” tend to date uggos and attractive people tend to date attractive people
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:45 AM
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It is unequivocally true in all circumstances. Hence why I explicitly said it’s not purely objective so I’m not sure what you’re arguing here If your issue is with the idea of partial objectivism on the topic (e.g. 99 people like one trait but one person dissenting means it loses any discussion of objectivity) then sure? That’s more of a pedantic argument than anything substantive
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:54 AM
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An aggregation of subjective opinion doesn’t turn subjective opinion into objectivity. If 99% of the populace find facial symmetry attractive, but there’s one guy who’s only attracted to one armed, obese women with buck teeth — it’s silly to pretend said feature suddenly has zero objectivity when it comes to attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:30 AM
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men are far more like to judge themselves as much more desirable than they actually are Well that’s half of the conclusion — the studies I’ve seen concluded that men judge themselves and women as more desirable than they are I think a lot of guys in general have odd perceptions of attractiveness in general. I’ve seen guys call bombshells “mid” and rate actual mid women very highly, it’s weird
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:11 AM
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Physical attractiveness isn’t 100% subjective; it’s a mix Obviously these studies aren’t entirely objective due to its inherent nature, but data shows women date men who most of the populace would independently agree are similarly attractive to them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:51 AM
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Women don’t think in terms of levels and there’s no such thing as looks match. Data pretty consistently shows most couples are similarly attractive. I don’t think women are necessarily consciously thinking of “leagues” when swiping, but evidently there’s a looks threshold for most women just like there is for men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:38 AM
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Dating apps are definitely becoming more of the norm and I agree a lot of people here (who tend to skew much older) don’t see to understand that That said, it’s still very true that you can be unsuccessful on dating apps but successful in real life. If you’re 5’10 then you’re just filtered out by the vast majority of women who set it to 6’0+, but in real life most women don’t care. I know enough guys who only got a few matches a week on Tinder but had crazy game in real life I don’t think women …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:29 PM
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A lot of those countries fetishize average white guys so you have a better chance there That said, if you have no prior success or experience with women then I wouldn’t recommend it. It can work, but you have to be able to vet women and feel comfortable around them or you risk them taking advantage of you People saying they only want to take advantage of foreigners are ignorant, but it is true that some passport bros lead with money and shoot way out of their league. That leads to very bad resul…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:18 PM
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I’ve realized most people in this subreddit are either here to troll or have their beliefs validated so there’s really no point in responding to these kinds of posts
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:10 AM
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The more I read shit like this the more I believe the “waiting for sex” strategy some women employ doesn’t weed out fuckboys at all Making men wait for sex has never been a good strategy on its own since fuckboys just play the numbers game and chat up other women in the meantime. I used to see it all the time with frat guys It’s good when used in conjunction with other vetting methods, but 90% of women’s dating advice online is unfortunately “make him wait” and “have him invest in you” which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:26 PM
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I doubt it’s as much as men lying to get laid, but data shows 1 in 3 GenZ women have gone on a date for free food at least once Granted it happens far less frequently as they get older (as does men lying for sex tbf), but I was surprised by how many women told me they went on dates with men they don’t like or flirt with guys at the bars for free drinks
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:17 PM
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Agreed. Women sometimes use men for a free wallet, and men sometimes use women for sex and they’re both really shitty people Ultimately it’s up to the individual to make smart choices with their money and body but I understand why they’d feel upset
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:13 PM
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That’s why you should use discretion. If a model is matching with you when you can’t pull any women back home, then something is up Just match with average women and you’re fine; he didn’t pay for anything other than the drinks when they were going out and was pretty successful
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:36 AM
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Hot women live in trailer parks too. Are you really asking why they’re not looking for hot women in those redneck meth head trailer parks (poor red states have high obesity rates) instead of Asian countries where women are still pressured to be thin and still have high beauty standards lol I think some passport bros are losers, but you don’t need a PHD to reason this out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 05:45 AM
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Have you traveled to any of these places? Just being average white guy gets you crazy motion from women over there My friend gets a handful of matches a week here, but he was getting hundreds of likes over there when he was visiting. Dude was getting the average women experience on Tinder lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:28 AM
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I don’t think most people in real life care if you meet your partner in a different country It gets a bad rep online because a lot of people here don’t touch grass, but also because there really is a vocal minority of passport bros wanting to exploit women Most don’t, but there’s an unfortunate stereotype that if you can’t date western women then there’s likely something wrong with you or you have bad intentions Honestly I haven’t seen a single good rebuttal why it’s inherently bad other than it…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:21 AM
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Most men and women in real life likes the other gender and wants a relationship despite what you may read on the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:22 AM
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Data I’ve seen shows women cheat slightly more in their 20s, relatively equal in the 30s, and men cheat slightly more in their 40s. Even then, the delta is very minor (2-6%) until their 70s Women have more opportunities to cheat, but are also attracted to significantly less men than men are to women. Men also “benefit” from casual sex more than most women too. If women were as attracted to as many men and had anywhere close to the same rate of orgasms as men do for casual sex, I’m sure we’d see …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:26 PM
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Asking men to be loyal to you as a partner is like asking a brick wall to move on its own. Data consistently shows women cheat just as much as men until their mid 40s so this isn’t really reflective of reality
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:26 PM
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That’s not love. Constructive criticism can be from a caring place There was a thread here not too long ago where women weren’t sympathetic to men who bust in women and getting stuck with a kid he didn’t want, which is valid I agreed that it’s very irresponsible for men to do that, and it’s equally irresponsible for women to let guys bust in them who don’t want anything to do with them or the baby. Accountability works both ways, not just one This should be a very lukewarm take for normal people
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:58 AM
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Judging a woman just because she’s single and mother comes off as insecurity. Regardless of how you feel about the topic, this has literally to do with the definition of insecurity lol Blaming a woman for choosing to keep a baby regardless of the father’s say so is not love. If you let a guy who had no intention of being there for the baby bust in you, then you didn’t make a great life decision. I don’t see how this is a hot take You can still do well in life, have a loving family, and I don’t t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:31 AM
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They can just believe she should’ve made better decisions in her life Yeah this is pretty much my stance too. There’s definitely a vocal minority of men online that do genuinely hate single moms, but the large majority of “hate” is just men not wanting to date them or thinking they made questionable choices
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:20 AM
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Why do you think there’s a fairly significant delta in judicial punishments for race and gender even with criminal histories and outside factors controlled about as much as possible? Sounds like you’re sort of fishing for a specific answer here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:08 AM
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Same exact reason minorities get harsher sentences even with outside factors considered — bias due to being overrepresentation in the judicial system I feel like this is common knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:56 AM
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the blame is other men. I agree women aren’t to blame, but the responsibility definitely lies on the judicial system I’m not going to blame other minorities for the fact that we get profiled and receive harsher sentences for the same crimes, and it’s just as silly here tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:00 AM
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I’m honestly surprised this is even a discussion in a gender focused subreddit at this point — I thought it was common knowledge that men are treated more harshly than women by the judicial system off gender alone
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:40 PM
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I’ve been on dates with a lot of progressive women — they were huge Bernie girlies back when he was still popular Never had one object to me paying, and their reactions when I say “I’ll take care of it” were always very positive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:14 AM
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someone who has frequent adventurous sex is more likely to have frequent adventurous sex than someone who doesn’t. Having a lot of sex doesn’t necessarily mean you have adventurous sex, and having adventurous sex doesn’t necessarily mean you have great sex. And even if you have great, frequent sex that doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll carry over after marriage as the deadbedroom subreddit indicates Guys also tend to do all the work during hookups and casual sex so I don’t think the correlation is …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:29 PM
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Sluts are the ones who tend to just lay there. Glad this wasn’t just my experience lmao I agree on low BC women — this idea that just because they’re saving themselves for LTRs means they’re less likely to have a great sex life is untrue from my experience. I can see why people may think that but the correlation just isn’t there Meanwhile I’ve had a lot of bad sex with promiscuous women and there’s still a lot of dead bedrooms with them too. Having a lot of casual sex doesn’t mean you’re good at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:52 PM
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Even the most vocal, hairy armpit feminists still likes it when a man pays for the first date so I don’t think that’s true at all lol To be fair, I also don’t think it matters as much as men say if she’s genuinely really likes you either
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:49 PM
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This logic reminds me of men here saying if a woman sleeps with another guy on the first date but not you, it means she doesn’t like you as much lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:40 PM
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There's definitely behaviors that can be insecure, but looking at social media it really seems like every preference or boundary men set for women is labeled as insecure nowadays Even then, there's nothing wrong with having insecurities. Women have a lot of insecurities too that manifest in their dating patterns as well — you just can't let them negatively impact the relationships while retaining your boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:11 PM
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because they have no money Yes, and they exploit younger men (their age) who are just as likely to have no money. I don’t see how being poor justifies the behavior of using others lol Edit: Obviously most women don’t do this, but the one’s who do are shitty and it happens enough that men should avoid dinner dates until she’s properly vetted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:11 PM
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There was also a study I read recently that showed that 1 in 3 women have gone on a date just for free food. Granted it wasn’t always with bad intentions as the study noted I find that it’s mostly a thing with younger women, and that’s why i always tell men to avoid dinner or anything expensive for the first few dates
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:04 PM
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We’re only a couple hundred years removed from that. Again, women make just as much as the average guy so it has nothing to with financial reasons Women just generally appreciates when a man pays for her. Even the most man-hating, hairy armpit blue-haired feminist enjoys that early courting and there’s nothing wrong with admitting that I just don’t see why there’s so much obfuscation when it comes to this topic
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:50 PM
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The average woman already makes more than the average guy lmao Men paid for dates because women had little to no income and relied on them to get by and we’re pretty far removed from that time period If you want to be courted because that traditional experience feels nice just say that, you don’t have to make stuff up to justify it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:29 PM
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I paid for dates out of my personal principle when I was single, but I know a lot of guys who were successful with women who almost never paid for dates. If she really likes you she wouldn’t care Imo it’s only unsuccessful men who feel this is required in the modern dating scene because they only go on dates with women who are already reasons to disqualify them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:12 PM
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How it is hateful to document exactly how little work men do and how little men contribute to women’s lives using data and statistics? The data consistently shows married women are the happiest demographic and most fulfilled (or a very close second to married men) so the statistics doesn’t seem to agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:03 AM
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My partner dragged me to see the movie when it came out a few years ago and I still remember almost bursting out laughing at the reveal because it was so dumb As for the topic, most people will say no to the follow up but I think people who aren’t happy with their lives really would live in a perfect simulation if they truly had the opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:45 PM
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I don’t get your question If she’s not interested in that intimate relationship then it’s not gonna happen and he’s not going to convince her
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:16 PM
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Outside of sex, what else do you want you don’t already have access to in the preexisting friendship? There’s a much deeper, intimate connection you can only get through a romantic relationship over friendship. I enjoy the company of my friends, but they can never reach that same level of connectivity as my partner The other guy gave good points but the big one is also exclusivity. If you really, really love somebody in a deep non-familial way, it hurts to see them with other people
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:10 PM
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Well I’m a liberal not a leftist, but I agree most people in real life are pretty reasonable about this topic. There is a very vocal crowd online and in prominent spaces that focuses on men being the oppressive class unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:35 AM
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Every hour I don’t spend on my career is one less hour that goes into my retirement and less advancement to my career You’re shifting the goalpost; read what I actually addressed more slowly My partner took time off from her successful career so I am sympathetic to the women who do, hence why I didn’t dispute it for this group of women That said, it’s worth noting not every woman is sacrificing their flourishing career — a lot of women work dead-end jobs so this is generalizing quite a lot more …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:16 AM
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When I spend an hour on my career, that is more money in my pocket I don’t know if you’re married or have kids (doesn’t sound like it), but that’s absolutely not how it works for a healthy household Extra money goes to bills, retirement, vacation funds, college tuition etc. that benefits everybody Women are also much bigger consumers and spend more money than men, so this idea that married men are only working extra hard to pocket money sounds like a self-report more than anything
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:07 AM
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I think you replied to the wrong person because I’m not sure what this has to do with my post
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:48 AM
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She didn’t link the study but I’ve noticed a lot of these studies are a bit misleading By far the most common issue is comparing household chores after meeting a “full time” threshold instead of tallying up hours spent working and doing chores and comparing them. A man working 40 hours a week and 5 hours on chores will reflect far worse than a woman working 30 hours and spending 15 hours on chores based on these studies. And while the gap is closing, married men still consistently work more hour…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:31 AM
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It’s very easy to tell if a person is going to be an absentee parent or not — man or woman Exceptions exist, but if the person is caring, enthusiastic, pulls their own weight and consistently shows up then it’s just very unlikely they’ll do a 180 the second the baby comes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:21 AM
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Definitely agree. That’s why it’s weird that the left often chooses to demonize men instead of focusing only on class inequality Wealth is consistently shown to be by far the best predicator of outcome — more than height, gender or race
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:55 PM
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Agreed. I think there are phenomena that’s hard to explain like generally having a bad vibe of somebody, but specifically labeling somebody as “toxic” should have a clear explanation Could be because of prejudice or past experiences but there’s definitely something there
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:47 AM
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‘Defund the police’ reminds me of me of the man vs bear trend because of how atrocious the slogan is and how much it muddies the overall message and hurts the cause. Most people hearing that without all the additional context and qualifiers would (rightfully) call it extreme It also doesn’t help that there’s a lot of people who genuinely endorse it literally which obfuscates it even more
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 01:58 AM
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Being a douchbag doesn’t make you a terrible person. You folks here really need go outside and touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 04:28 PM
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If they’re willing to date terrible men Asshole =/= terrible person What I said is also backed by data which you conveniently ignored Then stop connecting it to being an asshole. I’m not directly connecting it — read my post again more slowly this time There’s qualities that assholes have that women find attractive that boring nice guys lack. You can be kind and have those qualities, but them being overlooked has nothing to do with them “secretly” being assholes just lacking the more attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:24 PM
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They’re overlooked because they aren’t attractive enough to overcome their “boring” personality. Well damn, I can’t argue with this lol Honestly I’ve seen a lot of busted guys pull women back in my frat days and some of them were huge douchebags. There’s way more nuance than PPD thinks when it comes to attraction and personality
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 04:14 AM
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Good try, but the women in my company are more well adjusted than most of the women here There’s plenty of data that shows what women unconsciously look for in partners, including one linked in this very thread that shows niceness isn’t a top priority. It’s up to you whether to ignore the data or not — and you probably will Doesn’t mean you have to be a douchebag, but the qualities women find most attractive in men are much more likely to be in the confident fuckboy than the boring nice guy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 03:21 AM
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Meanwhile, the “good men” who are overlooked for the hot douchbag fuckboys are also selfish pricks that objectify women. Nah, they’re overlooked because they’re nice and boring while the “douchbag fuckboy” brings excitement to their lives. It’s basic psychology why their affection is a lot more meaningful than the guy who worships her without any effort and doesn’t push back against anything she says If you’re even reasonably attractive, I think most women know they can get a boring decent guy p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 03:06 AM
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Because women are very happy to have a land away from men. Maybe terminally online weirdos who don’t touch grass In the real world, women like men and men like women. We (overall) enjoy each other’s company so this is a silly suggestion
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:06 AM
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Anecdotally, I’m on the fence when it comes to experimenting because I’ve seen a lot of both sides On one hand, I think a lot of women are more comfortable doing things with the longterm partner over a casual one. On another hand, a lot of young women experiment things with casual partners they wouldn’t do again. I knew women who had threesomes but wouldn’t even consider it in a LTR As far as overall satisfaction goes, it’s a no-brainer why sex is much better with somebody you love and knows wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 12:49 AM
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Outside of sexual orientation (which has no relevance in the quality of a partner or relationship) I can’t think of one that’s been well researched Not sure if you’re trying to be funny or genuinely think gays and lesbians are different, better or worse than straight men or women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:17 PM
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Unless lesbians are somehow fundamentally different from heterosexual couples, then we can compare their proportional data if there’s a high enough sample size (over 400,000 lesbian marriages in the US) But 99% if women have the same problems together 99% of women are not in unhappy relationships. Maybe for PPD and certain Reddit spaces but not in real life The percentage of women who hate their marriages aren’t dating other women; OP’s point is these women would likely have similar relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:04 PM
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Pick me women sound like the gender flipped of simps then. Simps will denigrate their entire gender for a chance at poon, but it never works because they’re repulsive and have no self respect anyway Maybe they should date each other then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:23 AM
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Yeah I don’t understand how women defending this lady are any better than the rape apologists who defend men that take advantage of drunk women lol After a certain point you have to look past the online gender war and callout shitty behavior for what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:15 AM
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That’s a clear one for sure, but there’s a lot of minute differences in how men and women text that’s fairly easy to spot after a while
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:56 PM
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To be fair, a lot of the dating advice I see from women here are a little sus lol I do agree a lot of the guys here have questionable views and are a bit delusional (being black pilled and thinking you’ll forever be single in your 20s is just stupid), but they’re also young and dumb. I can’t imagine myself just laughing at a bunch of dumb women in their 20s tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:25 PM
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Men and women both uses certain phrases and argue differently enough that it’s easy to tell honestly when you have a certain level of experience
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:07 PM
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it’s no wonder why victims rarely are believed Do you think this woman going viral for lying about SA and using it for clout is also making it harder for victims to be believed? False allegations are absolutely damaging to victims, hence why she should be denounced instead of having people misguidedly defending her
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:59 PM
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I get recording and sending it to the police, but why did she post it online with his name and address, and not wait until the investigation even begin? Sounds very clearly like malicious intent
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:51 PM
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he technically is a criminal The police already investigated and cleared him of everything — objectively he’s not a criminal. Being nude in your own home is not a crime, and given she was charged it seems she’s the only person that did something criminal here Yes, he was wrong for ordering but there’s no such thing as a perfect victim. It’s wrong to discredit women who are taken advantage of while drunk because she could have made better decisions, and it’s just as silly here
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:47 PM
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I don’t know about Reddit specifically, but this subreddit is mostly old women laughing at early 20 year old incels and losers and TwoX skews older too I think it’s good to keep these things in mind when you’re posting in these kinds of subreddits
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:26 PM
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There was a police investigation after 911 was called and it was found that the man was indeed drunk and passed out when she entered his home Sounds like he came home from a drunken bender, ordered DD, had a wank then passed out and woke up with his nudes, address and name all over the internet I doubt it’ll change who you believe but the facts are there
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:21 PM
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It’s like women (and men, too) get rose-colored glasses on when looking at someone hot they want to date I think you hit the nail spot on for both genders. I’d imagine it’s even harder than the study suggests when you develop an emotional attachment to the person too That’s why I’m always very skeptical when I see so many women here say “shitty guys switch up and the signs were never there.” Most guys are absolutely not 24/7 method actors — like Akaash’s wife the signs were always there but peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:21 PM
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To be fair, she’s definitely more attractive but I don’t think she’s “leagues” above him after he lost weight. If he had any sort of confidence and self esteem I can honestly see a couple like that in real life It’s not common or anything but you do see guys dating much more attractive women in the real world, and the guy is almost always confident. You can date somebody more attractive but you absolutely can’t be a doormat or the woman will have no respect or attraction to you But like you said…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 01:02 AM
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Apparently his friends and mom hated her and warned him too. They spotted her as a leech and called it pretty early but he married her anyway Always trust your friends and especially your mom when it comes to women you date. Women know women way better than men do
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:23 PM
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Red pill is goofy, but every now and then you see women like her who’s the exact type of woman TRP warns you about and I don’t blame dudes for being buying into it For some reason some women here only think guys switch up after a relationship, but women are even more insidious here honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:11 PM
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I think a lot of fathers make hyperbolic statements like that to (in their minds) protect their daughters. I mentioned the stereotype of fathers being crazy protective of their daughters which can be good, but it can also come out in toxic ways as it sounds like you unfortunately went through It’s very important to teach girls to be cautious but you shouldn’t teach them to outright fear them. It’s definitely something I plan to avoid in the future
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:46 AM
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all men are rapists in waiting that I was small pray and men were inherently predators Does your dad posts here on PPD lol The exact wording sounds like a huge self-report I’m not gonna lie, but I’m aware a lot of women are told that men are dangerous from a young age. They’re smaller and weaker and you obviously want to protect them from the so it makes sense. I don’t even let my partner walk in the parking lot alone If your dad told you that all men are rapists and will prey on you that’s fine…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:19 AM
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I also think women tend to be a bit more obvious in their emotional abuse? Really? I find it to be the exact opposite honestly Women are socially way smarter than men and are way better at manipulating men and their emotions in clever ways imo. Obviously men are capable of it too like you said but from what I observed, men are way more likely to yell or belittle women while women a lot more insidious and it’s even reflected in “pink pill” vs red pill dating content online But like you said, most…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:59 PM
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I actually agree, and that’s why I’m not sympathetic to a lot of single moms either tbh You’d be surprised at the number of women who let guys they barely know finish in them or don’t ask if the guy is clean (same with men). People are just wildly irresponsibly when it comes to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:29 PM
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”once a man gets going, he can’t stop” I think men who say that tell are telling on themselves lol I agree that men tend to be very protective of women in their lives and tell them to be careful of men. The stereotype of fathers telling their daughters she can’t even kiss a boy until marriage is present for a reason; and honestly I’ll probably be that crazy protective father for my daughter too That said, “be cautious because there’s dangerous men” and “men are wild beasts that can’t control the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:01 PM
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Honestly yeah. Despite so many women being victims of abuse it’s surprising to see so many of them not actually understanding it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:15 PM
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Also the gaslighting that “only bad men have a reason to dislike the comparison to a literal animal” lol Like you said, it’s just easier to farm engagement by making inflammatory statements instead of having a genuine discussion about women’s safety. You don’t have to put down the other gender to do that, but a lot of men and women online just really hate the other
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:40 PM
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This is how I see it too. There was a point to be made here, but when you’re comparing an entire gender to savage animals I can see why it didn’t fly well It’s no different than RPs phrases like “she’s not yours it’s just your turn” that women take offense with. The message itself isn’t necessarily bad, but your slogan matters in messaging
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:02 PM
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Did you read the article? That’s the global stat, with by far the highest rate being in Africa where women are mutilated and treated like property In the US it’s 1000 murders per 45,000,000 abuse victims. “A large amount of victims are killed” is an objectively wrong statement by every metric so it’s smart to drop this angle Would you rather be punched by a skinnyfat woman or by a man taller and stronger than you? The former obviously, but that has nothing to do with my point. Domestic abuse and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:12 PM
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Not sure if that’s a good rule. It’s been beaten to death at this point, but boomers criticizing younger generations for their work ethic is a good example. They’ll just roll their eyes when you tell them dynamics are different now Older people can definitely impart their wisdom of life advice and broad dating advice — a teenage girl crying that she’ll never find somebody after his first breakup is a good example. You’ve been there and you know she’ll move on. The boomer or person 20 years remov…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:52 AM
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And even less women care about going Dutch now compared to the 90s if she’s actually interested in you Never understood why so many guys think they have to pay for dates. If you want to go ahead, but you’re not losing out on anything
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:42 PM
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a large amount of abuse victims are straight up physically killed No, a small percentage of abuse victims are killed by their partners. Roughly 1000 women a year are killed by their partners in the US, while studies indicate roughly 25% of women have experienced physical abuse (there’s 170 million adult women in the US) Your chances of being actually being murdered are statistically vanishingly low
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:48 PM
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The large majority of women here are childless according to the survey. And the average age of women here was roughly 40; which means it’s unlikely they have young adults And even in that small percentage, having kids doesn’t necessarily mean you understand the dating dynamics you observe. I’m did well in my early 20s but it’d be a bit delusional to pretend I know exactly what my future kids will go through when they were my age
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:04 PM
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Definitely works both ways No point in convincing a married 45 year old who’s far removed from the current scene and set in their ways, or an easily influenced 19 year old with no life experience
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:22 PM
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But women today aren’t really having children, so I’m really sure why it’s brought up. Most interestingly, it feels like it’s the women who don’t have or want children that’s complaining about the “chore gap” the most Studies indicates that without children and when men and women work the same number of hours — women only work 2.5 extra hours than men do. It’s only when there’s children introduced does it start to become unbalanced for women (and I think it’s a valid complaint there) Why women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:16 PM
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That’s what I’ve gathered from this subreddit too It’s young virgin incel men with little life experience, and old married women far removed from the dating scene It’s kind of hilarious seeing these diametrically opposed groups interact, but it’s good to keep it in mind because the perspectives here suddenly make so much more sense
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:31 PM
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If they’re voting for Trump for reasons other than feminism then they’re not “taking a stand” against feminism It’s one thing to say you can’t be a feminist and vote for Trump, but it’s another to say you’re inherently going against feminism by voting for him There’s pros and cons for each candidate. While I think Trump has far more cons than Harris and voted for her, I can also recognize people can value things differently. Women value abortion rights very highly since it directly affects them,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:19 PM
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Data makes it clear you’re in a small minority here. I have the feeling you don’t swipe right on every (or even most) chubby short guy either so the percentage is even lower Meeting you halfway here, I’m not against “nichemaxxing” and I know guys who are successful doing that. Being fat and ugly is not a niche, and like I said we have data on this
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:37 PM
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Agree to disagree, but the data (and every man that had a glow up) makes it pretty clear what women value on dating apps You’re just vastly understating how much women prioritize looks on dating apps; which makes sense given how dating is for women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:23 PM
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Probably because the men have more experience dating women than than one’s saying it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:12 PM
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I have this same thought when I see the people here describe their dating experiences with men and women After a certain point, if you're consistently having experiences with awful people you should look what's in your shoe because most normal men and women aren't like this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:18 AM
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I think I could put together a profile that would attract women easily. Every woman says this, but data shows bios don’t matter. The best thing you can do (that you can control) is build muscle and show it off in a non-douchebag way, then you can be fun and interesting You can craft the most witty bio in the world and take cool pictures, but you still need to meet a looks threshold to get consistent matches
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:55 PM
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I’ve noticed lot of guys have that issue, especially after glow ups I just stopped overthinking and enjoyed the company I had with the women and it just naturally worked for me; even “wanting” to want a relationship isn’t a good mindset imo. Everything just felt natural with my girl so I pulled the trigger with her, but if you don’t have that instinctive desire you shouldn’t force it either
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:38 PM
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I know the feeling. When you start off as a 5 you want 7s, and when you improve yourself to a 7 you want 9s. When you can consistently date attractive women that feeling mattered to me less and less as I got older personally It’s relative to an extent in some areas, but my dating life was so much better after improving myself
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:19 PM
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There is no consistency Women are people and have wildly different emotions and reactions to people and their actions. You cant control that or figure out some secret cheat code, all you can do is what feels right for you. If she enjoys the energy you’re putting out she’ll make it easy for you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:01 PM
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I’m definitely no 6’4 “chad” or anything but I had decent enough success on dating apps so I’d say no Men occupy both extremes because you can easily get sex and relationships without much trouble if you’re on the upper end, but if you’re average or ugly it’s rough. Women can get sex and relationships fairly easily too, but I don’t think women are built for dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:56 PM
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male loneliness epidemic It’s always funny how the supposed solution behind the ‘male loneliness epidemic’ (which isn’t a thing because women are just as lonely as men) is whatever’s convenient for women lol I personally pay for first dates for other reasons, speaking as somebody with plenty of experience, knows men with experience and actually dates women — this isn’t necessary if she’s into you unless you’re looking for a traditional relationship Feel free to take it or leave it, but it’s good…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:21 PM
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Women can just go in-and-out within a few weeks max This is a very good point actually. Data also shows that 50% of young women have used dating apps at some point, but the concurrent users is much much lower Most women in my social circles who used dating apps were only on them for a very brief period when they were single; they were sniped off the app very fast by decent enough guys Not to say women don’t have gross men in their DMs because they absolutely do, but the app is what you make of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:50 PM
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Total freeloader for a cup of coffee Nah, entitlement is the biggest ick and most guys who aren’t desperate feel the same way I went on a cute ice cream and cake date with my partner for our first date, and if she stared at my wallet expecting me to pay, then I would’ve paid for my own and left early. I know a lot of guys who will pay for it anyway but put women in the “sleep with but not date” box for things like that It’s not hard to do the absolute bare minimum and at least make it look like …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:58 PM
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It’s harder to invest in multiple women then to not do so It’s really not if you have the finances. And if he doesn’t have his finances in order, he’s not going to be paying for nice dates often or gifts early on anyway Not saying it can’t work, but you’re making yourself more vulnerable to being a victim of love bombing if you’re not careful Like what? Not immediately having sex but most importantly just focusing on establishing a genuine connection Men can fake “investment” by taking her to a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:11 PM
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If her favorite celebrity of her type told her to do “X”, would she take forever to text? Would she leave him on read? I remember somebody calling this the “Brad Pitt effect” many years ago and this mindset was probably the single biggest game changer when I was single. If you don’t have this self-respect and chase women who aren’t into you or respect you, then you can end up like the Akaash dude who went viral And to add onto this, I’ve dated a law school student that worked full time and even …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:53 PM
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Agreed, people over complicate dating way too much. I see people posting their Tinder convos and asking what exact thing could he have said to prevent her from ghosting or losing interest but the fact is if she was high interest (and you’re not being a total creep) it wouldn’t be an issue. Guarantee there’s at least another man in her DMs that’s not jumping through hoops like that I don’t think women necessarily want to have sex with you on the first date (most would, but some don’t), but she wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:22 PM
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I don’t think women care about going Dutch nearly as much as guys claim, but it’s definitely not the dorm lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:14 PM
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Sure, here’s the guy you’re citing directly retracting his study: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ede14d10cd4933b1b584db1/5ef9e8827507867bc727f202/5ef9e88a7507867bc727f402/1593436298396/HEA-response.pdf?format=original An article that summarizes why his study is invalid in simple terms: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/4/18650969/married-women-miserable-fake-paul-dolan-happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:53 AM
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women are still doing the lion's share of the housework and child rearing in two income households. Yes, women do a lot more housework and child care than men. Men also work more than women and are a lot less likely to work part time. If the wife works 30 hours and the husband works 40-45 hours a week it's still a dual income household, but the gap existing is justified so it doesn't tell us much in itself That data I've seen that actually tallied up work and household chores (not just give a va…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:05 AM
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I think there is a discussion to be had about men picking up more housework; while men do work more hours than women, women end up working about 2-3 extra hours of “work” for women per week including housework These discussions can’t be taken seriously with these absurd exaggerations about the gap though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:09 AM
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Two income household is literally the default, every person I know has been splitting chores and bills with their partners. Data also indicates men are doing more housework than ever, to which the delta between men and women is only a handful of hours a week nowadays I have to believe these women complaining about men who do nothing but watch TV all day after work are talking about their grandparents predicament and not bout how things are nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:58 AM
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I don’t think either should be “chasing” when dating. It depends how long you’ve been dating obviously, but early gifts tends to be a red flag from guys outside of maybe flowers It’s not really a woman thing either; anybody can leave you for somebody better at any point so it’s not worth stressing over in my eyes. If your relationship has a strong foundation and the love and effort put into is mutual then it’s all you can do Just because he’s “investing” in you doesn’t mean he’s not “investing” …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:13 AM
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Require him to invest in you - pay for dates, show attention, bring you tokens and gifts. It’s always funny how women encourage other women to fall for the most basic love bombing tactics, then act surprised when the man inevitably cheat or lose interest
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:23 PM
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The solution isn’t needed because most well adjusted women in real life don’t recurring problems with men cheating or being abuse. The horror stories you see online are usually rage bait or a vocal minority And it wouldn’t work anyway because most women are afraid of rejection. Women are also fine being single (or “single”) and just waiting for the right guy to approach her
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:08 PM
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Ehh. There’s a good chance your local AWDTSG group has at least 100k members, and the Tea app was the #1 app for a long time Women have dating problems, but they don’t have problems getting dates or being approached
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:29 PM
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From my experience, the women that only want relationships are very upfront about it in their bios or say so early on I can’t say much for dating in the 30s either, but at least for early-mid 20s I feel like it was implicitly assumed we’re just “feeling each other out” and open to anything in the early talking phase/linking up for the first time unless stated otherwise I also rarely got asked the classic “what are you looking for” question too, but I’m sure that changes too the older you get so …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:02 PM
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The distinction is important, and that’s specifically why I called it out Calling it amoral is fine (and I would agree), but coercion and rape is one of the worst things you can do to a person and flagrantly misusing it for ‘lying about your intentions’ is doing a disservice to actual victims and diminishing the impact of those words
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:48 PM
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lets not get petty and pedantic That’s literally what it is, which is entirely different from lying about what you’re looking for It’s obvious you just Google’d it without knowing what it meant and thought “deception” meant lying lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:33 PM
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Maybe you should do some reading Rape by deception is only applicable when the victim thinks they’re having sex with the person they consented to but is a different person entirely (e.g. switching up in a dark room) Even in the scenario where the man is outright lying about his intentions (which I disagree with) it 100% doesn’t apply, and misusing it like this is a bit gross to actual victims That’s like me saying I got coerced by a woman because she wore too much makeup and wasn’t who I expecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:18 PM
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I doubt most men do, but I agree the ones that do it are wrong I’ve dated women where I genuinely wanted to see where things go but broke it off eventually, and most women interpret it as the man only wanting sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:05 PM
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The analogy is a bit disingenuous because the overwhelming majority of most men don’t want a sugar baby relationship, while most women have at least a few casual partners throughout their lifetime. A closer analogy would be women not being upfront about wanting a traditional relationship, which is valid imo There’s a difference between not being crass and completely misrepresenting your intentions. If she explicitly only wants a relationship when you don’t or you’re lying that you want a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:47 PM
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coercion Some of y’all need to touch grass lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:26 PM
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Definitely agree. Most socially calibrated men aren’t going to say “I just want to fuck” because it makes you look sleazy. It’s a huge turn off to most women even if they would be down for it. Coming on strong with your intentions too early can also make you look creepy and make women uncomfortable That said, I don’t think you should lie about having a future early with them. Lying is a bit different from not being forthcoming “Just going with the flow/Not trying to rush into anything” is fine i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:11 PM
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The Paul Dolan article is especially funny because his study including women who were cohabiting with their longterm boyfriends as “single” as long as they weren’t married. So couples who were married in everything but name were “single” and counted against marriage. There were other flaws but that was definitely the funniest There’s a reason that is the only study that gets cited for single women when this topic comes up in favor of far more recent studies (and more in quantity) that contradict…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:00 PM
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Agreed. The manosphere dudes online saying marriage is terrible for men are equally as delusional as these women and not reflective of reality either
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:44 PM
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The Paul Dolan article has been debunked for the many errors that was in his study and has not been replicated Just about every study outside of his found that married women are happier than single women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:42 PM
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I was referring to more the desire to get married than flat marriage statistics, but they are linked for reasons you mentioned Most studies I’ve seen indicates anywhere from 65%-80% of women want to get married depending on their age (it was at like 90%+ in older generations), with younger women obviously being higher and older women being lower So most of the women you see online whining about how bad marriages are either a statistical minority, secretly want to get married or already married. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:34 PM
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Most women get married so obviously most women don’t think marriage is bad. I think this is one of the big reasons why you shouldn’t take online echo chambers seriously Most women I know in real life want to get married if they’re not already, and while the data is slightly trending down it still indicates most women want relationships and disagree with what’s being repeated here. Meanwhile, if you read certain subreddits, or see these articles blowing up that “heterofatalism is happening” or “h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:59 PM
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Obviously there’s some men and women like that who make their partner’s lives miserable and worse off, but data overwhelmingly shows married men and women are better off. I feel like it should be obvious to anybody with experience in happy relationships too I wouldn’t put too much stock into bitter people here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:34 PM
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You’re right that the phenomenon of an old widow dying shortly after their partner is a thing (happens with both genders but occurs far more with women since they’re more likely to live longer than men), but the data I’ve seen suggests married women live longer even with that factored in Both married men and women live longer and tend to be happier than their single counterparts
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:23 PM
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And even when you’re experienced, there’ll still be times where you misread her body language and choosing signals because every woman is different. There’ll also be times where you might read it right, but the woman just likes being flirty and just doing it for fun Honestly, I don’t men should care too much about this topic or how random women perceive them. As long as you’re respectful and trying to learn, you’re golden
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:52 PM
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Just like how a lot men don’t have a good understanding of makeup, a lot of women don’t have a good understanding of muscles What women call “muscular” is jacked, and what they call “too muscular” is #5 on the chart
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 02:45 PM
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To clarify, when women say “super muscular” they usually mean those 6% body fat juiced up bodybuilders. Same deal when men say “no makeup is best” they mean light foundation, while women that cake themselves is for the female gaze Studies very consistently show women are more attracted to muscular men and that they’re able to have more sexual partners (shocker)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 02:40 PM
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Yeah I never understood the “physical difference” justification when it comes to men and women abuse Abuse isn’t so damaging because the bruises itself, it’s bad because of the psychological trauma it leaves on the victim
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 02:35 AM
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To be fair, most abusers in general don’t recognize they’re abusers. If you asked a man who shoved his girlfriend when he’s mad or yelling at her, he’d say the same thing that women do when they shove or yell at their boyfriend, “I’m just voicing my frustrations” I know women here are gonna disagree for obvious reasons, but I have to agree we take women abuse a lot less seriously as we do with men’s abuse. The fact that we collectively take it less serious influences it on an individual basis. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:57 AM
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Your partner disrespecting you is a lot worse than a stranger doing so Not that you should let strangers flagrantly disrespect you either obviously, but it’s not really the same at all
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:15 PM
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Like 6-1 Where did you read this? It was reported that 4/5 of drafted Ukrainian men have attempted to flee earlier this week so that’s a little suspect or (most likely) very outdated from the start of the war Regardless of how you feel about the topic, Ukraine has consistently reported problems finding soldiers. If there was actually a 6-1 volunteer ratio with so many people willing to fight, I highly doubt they’d be so militant about conscription and keeping men in the country Edit: The most re…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:07 PM
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”I don’t have fear because my family is at my back and so the only thing I want to do is be what’s between them and the Russians” This is propaganda. Most Ukrainian men are terrified of conscription and losing their lives My partner was born in Ukraine and she told me stories about men hiding, trying to flee (which is illegal) and families distraught over losing their sons. They absolutely do believe Russia is the enemy and at fault, but this western narrative that Ukrainians are happy to fight …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:54 PM
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1948550619856308 Can’t wait for the benign excuses why this study should be invalidated because you disagree with it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:47 PM
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Akaash and his wife weren’t actually part of the manosphere so this doesn’t apply to him to be fair, but I don’t really buy this explanation Most of the manosphere guys weren’t openly flaunting their relationships; they kept them secret before it was leaked because they were embarrassed because it made them look like losers Some of them are definitely grifters, but a lot of them genuinely believe what they’re saying and can’t maintain healthy relationships with high quality women because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:24 PM
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Agreed. Man or women, having your partner talk about them getting their back blown out by multiple guys or him piping down lots of girls at frat parties is crazy disrespectful and humiliating even if it’s “a joke”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:14 PM
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Fair enough, that’s a win for the manosphere then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:06 PM
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I’ve noticed a trend of manosphere guys ending up in relationships with gold diggers, women who don’t respect them, sex workers, or single moms despite what they preach It’s probably the same reason that women end up in relationships with men who don’t respect them or put them down — insecurity and having warped views of relationships. She’s more attractive than him so I’m sure that plays a part too Nobody can say for sure obviously but that’s just my guess
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:58 PM
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I thought so too until I saw more clips; she constantly curves him when he tries to kiss her with a gross look on her face. You can’t fake body language like that Even if she’s playing it up, she may very well love him but she’s 100% not attracted to him
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:32 PM
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TRP is goofy but every now and then you see a guy like Akaash and his wife and I think, “damn, I don’t blame men for worrying and believing that stuff when they see shit like this” because she’s exactly what TRP warns men about lmao It’s a harsh lesson why you should only date women who’s attracted to you and why it’s better to be single than settle. Women nowadays got it right, but men need to step up too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:19 PM
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Women (other than literal sex workers) don’t go on dates with men they actively dislike in order to get free meals. There was a study (granted it wasn’t a huge sample size) that found that 30% of the women surveyed went on at least one date with a man they weren’t interested in for free food It doesn’t have to be malice (“I’m gonna use this guy for money”) as much as “I’m bored and I wanna try this new restaurant so I’m gonna hit up this guy I’m not that interested in.” This doesn’t happen much …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:02 PM
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You can’t do that with reputational damage. Reputational damage to his career and social life, not his dating life Granted it’s not common unless you’re a high profile figure or work in certain fields, but you absolutely should not be fired for an accusation without evidence. I feel like that should be obvious why to anybody who goes outside Not saying it’s easy to do, but that’s the ideal system Subjectively, I’d obviously be furious at somebody raping somebody close to me but that’s not how we…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:54 PM
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You should take a deep breath and read my post again slowly. I answered your question
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:42 PM
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I don’t believe in online witch-hunts without evidence. Sharing your story is fine, but there shouldn’t be reputational damage without evidence from an individual report Your system leads to more victims like the man in this story who had his nudes, name and address leaked, which is dangerous for obvious reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:39 PM
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She had those crazy eyes too and she seemed very “off” in her TikToks When you have enough experience with women you can spot crazy from a mile away. It’s the same sixth sense women have with creepy men and incels
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:52 PM
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What you’re saying is no different from the classic ‘short women avoiding short guys is hypocritical’ claim lol You’ll argue it’s different being she’s short due to biology while the other man or woman engaged in hookup culture, but the reason the woman is attracted to taller men goes back to personal preference We can’t negotiate what we’re attracted to. I don’t think this is any morally worse than women preferring taller men. You can criticize men and women for it, but I don’t think it’s a mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:23 PM
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But why do they have the visceral ick? I don’t think every ick that men and women have needs to have an explanation That is a moral judgment. It is not analogous to feeling drawn to certain features. My post was obviously not talking about men like Andrew Tate who sleep around while loudly shaming women and call them used goods Just quietly not dating men and women who give you the ick is not a moral judgment and not hypocritical; it’s exactly the same with women avoiding bi guys Not being attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:06 PM
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I think those are actually valid considerations (except maybe the raising another man’s child lol) if you’re a low N count man, but if you’re also a high N count man it’s a bit unreasonable I don’t think this is a gender thing either; women also make a lot of deflections why they wouldn’t date a bi guy too (STDs, cheating, might turn gay lol). Both genders can be a bit silly when it comes to these preference topics and should be more honest about it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:54 PM
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That’s a valid feeling to have both ways. I don’t think you should be shamed for it either
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:26 PM
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By choosing to have sex with her but not to date her when he otherwise would, it is shaming the behavior. She’s not entitled to a relationship People who have casual sex don’t always want to date the person and it has nothing to do with “shaming” them. I can have a FWB but pass on dating her because she likes Drake — it doesn’t mean I’m “shaming” the behavior, just not compatible
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:18 PM
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That’s not hypocritical either. It only becomes hypocritical if he shames her for it or says she’s a bad person for it like some manosphere dudes do I brought up the classic example of women having the ick for bi guys for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:13 PM
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Some men just have a visceral ick to dating a high N count woman, and it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re judging them for it. It can be hypocritical, but not always Same reason why a lot of progressive and bi/pan women wouldn’t date a bi guy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:36 PM
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Not wanting a low N count partner isn’t always about morals
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:28 PM
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But somehow that gets left out of the conversation. Probably because it’s not true The most viewed videos on TikTok and the biggest Reddit threads in response to her first story were women defending her. This is easily verifiable to anybody reading this, so it’s likely confirmation bias on your part The response to her now is overwhelmingly negative after the investigation and charges were brought up, not when it first blew up
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:27 PM
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Source? I obviously can’t post it but there is an uncensored version floating around. It’s fairly easy to find if you Google it and go on NSFW sites They have just as much reason to insist that order She posted a TikTok saying she was banned from DD days after her initial video. I don’t think she even claimed DD banned her first unless you have a source For arguments sake, if it’s true that DD banned her only after she posted the video would it change your perspective of the situation? It’s not …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:43 PM
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She did censor the nudity even in her video. The original video was not blurred And you’re getting the timeline mixed up. She posted the video online then got banned by DoorDash for sharing personal information and content of their customers online — you can find their statement online going into detail This leads to another issue There’s no issue, just don’t share revenge porn lmao You can submit it to DoorDash and the police and let them handle it. The investigation didn’t even start before sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:21 PM
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But it still backs up my original point: when she first posted, people were jumping to attack her, with debate on both sides To be fair, I’m not saying she’s definitively guilty of opening the door either until her trial, but just that there’s more evidence than not. But honestly, that also doesn’t matter Even if we take the most charitable scenario that the door was open when she got there — you still cant whip out your phone and record them nude with their full name, address and post it online…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:04 PM
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How do we know this is true? I see articles claiming it, but what is the source those articles used? It’s good to be skeptical about unverified claims, quotes or accusations without evidence According to the article from the journalist it’s from the police account. Edit: I can’t find the Ring footage. As far as I know he sent it directly to the police and it isn’t public. And if you’re going to sue it makes sense to keep things as private as possible, especially if you’re the victim There has be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:42 PM
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AI The police obtained ring camera footage that hasn’t been released online yet so this is a big leap to assume this. Based on the video they have, they concluded she opened the door and it’s far more credible than the cut video she posted AI is also nowhere near advance enough to pass off as credible evidence lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:11 PM
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Well I’m talking more about reputation, not necessarily about women choosing to date them or not The DoorDash victim’s full name was doxxed by the woman and his name will forever be linked to being a sexual assaulter even if the lady gets convicted. I don’t feel strongly about women choosing to date the person or not, but the person’s reputation shouldn’t be immediately ruined from an isolated claim without evidence I feel like it’s the best of both worlds
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:38 PM
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it can obviously turn into a case where a man who genuinely is falsely accused gets ostracized Just like the victim in this DoorDash story. If he didn’t have ring camera footage to exonerate him the abuser would’ve gotten away with it and framed him It’s also true that men like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby were able to face justice because of women openly sharing their stories It’s hard because you can cherry pick the good and the bad and make a conclusion you want off it. My middle ground is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:25 PM
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What should happen in those cases? It’s inherently very difficult to prove, especially because most rapes don’t start off a random creep following a woman home like in the movies I have a few ideas on how we can do better at reducing cases, but if there’s no evidence and it can’t be proven without a reasonable doubt the person should be let go. I’d also push back against the “if the justice system fails we should turn to vigilantism” idea. It isn’t a healthy option and it’s a slippery slope that…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:13 PM
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Put less credence on allegations without evidence and improve the justice system so the filth who are guilty of SA are punished properly Right now the court of public opinion requires no evidence but is way too powerful, while the actual court that needs evidence is a little lacking in some areas
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:51 PM
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I’m glad the DoorDash lady is getting charged. Reading the folks defending this crazy person were surreal Regardless of gender, opening somebody’s front door, doxing, and posting their nudes without consent is disgusting. It’d be gross if a man recorded a woman and it’s equally bad here. This wasn’t even a “MeToo” discussion as much as people need common sense
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:42 PM
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I started dating when I was 17; I just wanted a girlfriend to treat well, marry, and have kids with. After my first relationship the “magical aura” of women wore off and i had healthier, more realistic views of women and relationships I started hooking up a lot in college and after graduation until I met the sweetest girl in the world. I cut off all my FWBs and committed to her because good women like her are hard to find I think most guys have a similar mindset of “just having casual sex until …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:02 PM
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It’s almost as if men are just self-centered parasites literally sucking the lifeblood out of women. You don’t sound very happy being single lol Also, married women do consistently report being happier than single women. The one contradictory study that gets regularly cited is an outlier and has never been replicated Just because Reddit women find relationships miserable doesn’t mean most normal women do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:22 PM
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I don’t think they’re incapable but they just really like the rush from love bombing Funny enough, even the most prominent red pill grifters like Tate and F&F use “lover boy” methods instead of being an asshole to women (despite what they tell men) because it’s just so effective. It was the easiest way to hookup with women back in my frat days too Doesn’t help that a lot of women’s advice endorses love bombing to show that he puts in “effort” despite it being the exact opposite lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:17 PM
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Sometimes those fantasies can be unspoken desires and sometimes they aren’t If those fantasies are constant recurring desires then they are likely an unspoken truth to some degree
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:08 PM
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they turn up that attention just enough to stand out but not scare a woman off That’s called showing interest and it has nothing to do with love bombing lol. My partner showed high interest when we met but she didn’t love bomb me And most guys who love bomb are very overt about it. Women (especially young women) enjoy love bombing and it’s easy to do. If you know the signs it’s easy to avoid the vast majority of time
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:26 AM
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only 1/4 of the American people voted for Trump You realize this only substantiates his point, right? 1/4 voted for Trump, little less than 1/4 voted for Harris, and 1/2 of the country doesn’t feel strongly about either candidate. This means most young white women don’t care Reddit, social media and these online dating shows does skew far to the left so in this specific context it’s valid, but most white women in real life don’t care
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:21 PM
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Love bombing and genuine interest can look exactly the same Love bombing and genuine interest are diametrically opposed to each other. Showering a person you barely know with affection and gifts is not genuine; it indicates they have ulterior motives Sometimes love bombers may also feign genuine interest but they’re still a crimson red flag to avoid
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:59 AM
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Women are attracted to a small percentage of men, but I don’t think they’re all that much pickier than men when it comes to what they look for in a partner though I slept with enough attractive women to know a lot of them are messy and being in a relationship with them would be miserable. Physical attraction is important for sure, but it’s just surface level and only a small part of who you are
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:07 PM
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I grew out of that when I started dating women; you realize women really are just people. They eat, fart and sleep like everybody else and are just as flawed as men I can walk by an attractive woman and recognize she’s pretty but that’s it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:38 PM
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Stop falling for lovebombing then Bingo. This should be said way louder Women know love bombing is bad, but I’ve noticed a lot of the advice women give other women is that poorly veiled love bombing is good lol A man spending money on you or blowing up your phone doesn’t mean he’s genuinely interested in you, but a lot of women are unfortunately not taught that or the dating advice they get is antithetical to that. Establishing a genuine connection takes time and effort, and a lot of people don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:31 PM
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This checks out. Men used to cheat a lot more than women before dating apps blew up, then women began cheating a lot more and equalized the gap lol Doesn’t mean having options always means they’ll cheat obviously or that you should be paranoid, but having a lot of good options will always give people the extra temptation to be unfaithful
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:18 PM
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This sounds like such a chronically online take lol I know Reddit is filled with socially introverted women, but most women in real life (nearly 80%) are fine with being approached in the right setting. Just be respectful about it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:22 PM
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Not marrying early or being financially dependent is good advice, but you can get that from women in healthy relationships too Just like how manosphere sometimes giving genuinely good advice doesn’t negate their warped views of relationships either
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:59 PM
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Forming opinions on relationships from bitter women with failed/struggling relationships doesn’t sound like a good idea It’s the same trap guys fall for with the manosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:47 PM
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This matches with my experiences. Most women are fine with being approached if you’re respectful about it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:41 PM
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Yeah, it’s not taken as seriously and you tend to get made fun or considered “less of a man” for it by women And to be fair, men aren’t innocent here either. We’re 100% guilty of not taking each other’s stories as seriously as women do with other women. It’s getting better, but “you’re so lucky dude” still isn’t an uncommon response
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:58 PM
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There’s definitely hardcore erotica that I’d call porn The ones with sporadic sex scenes but try to tell a story is probably not, but the ones where the premise is sexual and half of the book is graphic, detailed kinky sex is 100% porn no matter how female goners online try to spin it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:27 PM
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Most women haven’t been “typically” doing all of that by themselves since the 1950s lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:18 PM
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I don’t know if you have kids, but education is a small part of what kids are taught. You need to instill morales, values and life lessons
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:07 PM
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I would argue that it’s not erotica. I’m not sure what you’re talking about specifically, but Barnes and Nobles explicitly has erotica lol Now, I actually agree romance novels are very broad and shouldn’t always get lumped in with erotica. A lot of women do consume erotica though (many of the best selling romance novels are erotica), and it doesn’t play into the narrative that we exclusively cater to male sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:15 PM
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I know this subreddit will pretend otherwise for obvious reasons, but erotica and a lot of romance novels are absolutely soft porn lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:06 PM
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Most rapists are definitely men, but I feel sexual assault stats are a lot closer than people think Men getting groped or touched without their consent at clubs or raves is very common if you’re relatively attractive. You can’t really push them off or tell them off either since you’ll be the bad guy there
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:56 PM
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I wouldn’t say it’s rare at all, but I’ve noticed when women say this they’re either talking about media from decades ago, or the “sexualized woman” is just an attractive woman existing lol Also ignoring how men are being sexualized a lot more recently
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:42 PM
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This is the best post in this thread. Women know the qualities they find attractive but not how to develop them. If you ask most women detailed advice how to achieve a toned body, how to improve their social skills or how to pick up women it’s always very broad answers. We all know tall, muscular men with great social skills and a huge dick gets women, but how do we get there? And I’d ask a successful man over women any day To be fair, I don’t think men’s advice for women is that much better and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:23 AM
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Nah, this ain’t it. I’ve seen men drop a lot of money on fancy dinner dates and invest so much time for nothing — only for her to go home with another guy who bought her a Wendy’s 4 for 4 bag Even if your persistence wins her over is it really worth it? Maybe for casual relationships maybe but never for anything longterm. I know I can’t take any woman like that seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:00 AM
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Bad hygiene being so common with women was something I was honestly surprised about. I read that 40% of women don’t even shower daily lol A lot of attractive women are surprisingly stinky and really messy. Many men will overlook it at first, but it does become a huge turn off in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:46 PM
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It’s not really a false comparison. People have used “bad experiences” to justify prejudice against us all the time If you’ve been sexually assaulted by a man or had a lot of bad experiences with black people so you’re extra cautious I get it, as long as you’re not openly encouraging it or calling them dangerous
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:29 PM
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Eh, if she’s keeping it to herself I get it and I wouldn’t call that man hating. It is a bit sexist but women are more vulnerable so being extra wary of men is understandable. My ex wasn’t man hating at all but she never wanted to leave the parking lot alone for similar reasons If she’s vocally expressing these sentiments and telling other women to do it because “men are dangerous” then I’d agree with you. My bar is probably higher than yours here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:34 PM
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I must be lucky because I rarely see these man-hating women outside of the internet lol There were some in college that I hooked up with, but even it was mostly light. Felt like most women grew out of it after college from my experience, and I’ve never seen them throughout my corporate career
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:23 PM
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You’re conflating friendships with relationships My partner is my best friend now, but we weren’t best friends when we were dating. I know some people can’t date people unless they’re close friends, but for most people there’s an intimate element that you cant get with friendships. And best friends don’t always make a good fit for a relationship either
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:58 PM
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I mean yeah, it’s weird if you look at it from a surface view lol I know men and women on this subreddit hates the other gender, but in real life they enjoy their company even if they don’t always want to be best friends with them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:04 PM
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Yet married men and women seem to always want to spend time with their gender segregated groups of friends. Guys usually get along with and have more in common with other guys, and women usually get along with and have more in common with other women. Just because I get along with guys more doesn’t mean you want to date them lol And I know this subreddit will think otherwise for obvious reasons, but it’s also a bit weird to have very close friends of the opposite gender when you’re married. I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:52 PM
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The Millennial men who have reproduced are much more involved in childcare than any generation of men before then. You’re not wrong, but this isn’t entirely true either Married men are more involved in childcare than past generations. There’s a still a fatherless epidemic from men who pump and dump women or want nothing to do with their children who are still doing it. Shitty men still have no problems reproducing unfortunately I think the bar is definitely higher for relationships with women no…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:29 PM
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the women who are more likely to cheat are women who have FOMO from being less sexually experienced than others. If you know anything about cheaters, they’ll always blame anything convenient for their actions. If it wasn’t FOMO, it’d be because of something else that made them cheat so I’d take this with a grain of salt. It’s like when abusers say “if you didn’t do X, it wouldn’t have happened” A lack of character causes people to cheat and it has nothing to do with FOMO, and if she’s that much …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:18 AM
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My ex wore makeup at home often. She told me how she enjoys feeling pretty for herself even if nobody else see’s it, so there’s definitely women out there it applies to I’m not really buying it from the women who lounge around all the time in baggy tshirt, sweats and no makeup when nobody’s watching, but if it makes them feel better I’m all for it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:57 PM
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Maybe, theres prob gray area with this example specifically. I agree men who wear stilts (usually) do it out of insecurity, but there’s no difference between that and women who wear push up bras or padded butts lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:49 PM
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In my experience, the majority of men who successfully date younger men are pretty much just guys who like to go out a lot, at least, not in any hurry to have a family. That’s been my observation too; they’re the guys you see in their 30s and 40s at clubs and raves. I’m far removed from the scene now but it wasn’t uncommon to see. Most of their relationships were strictly casual or short term The 40 year old basement dwellers losers that target anxious, insecure Reddit women that’s being describ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:25 PM
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Nothing in my post is discounting anybody’s experience Incels have personal experiences with women which are equally valid, but it doesn’t change the fact that a lot of them express revenge fantasies Personal experiences are always valid, the conclusions you make from them aren’t
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:06 PM
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Yeah they’re not beating the revenge fantasy allegations in this thread lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 05:46 PM
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The backlash is also just from terminally online weirdos. I can say with 100% confidence nobody in their personal life actually cares lol Unless the gap is like 30 years, most people in the real world don’t care about age gap relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 04:48 PM
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Charlize Theron is 50 and she was bragging about hooking up with a guy in his mid 20s, and the same subreddit that was calling Leo a creep for years were yass queening her lol I don’t actually care about either since they’re all consenting adults, but there’s definitely a double standard when it comes to older men dating “helpless” young women and older women dating younger guys
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 04:34 PM
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Agreed. It’s a hard discussion to have because there are unfortunately a lot of women who are raped, and their assaulter rarely gets a harsh sentences (and that’s if they get convicted) so it feels very unfair to them. A lot of women feel the court of public opinion is necessary because of this, and while most women are honest there are still bad actors. For guys, you can have your life ruined with absolutely no evidence and all it takes is one scorned woman to do so and it can be really scary I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 04:27 PM
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The findings were that boys (and students of color) were punished harsher for the same level of disruptive behavior so I don’t know why you’re creating made-up scenarios to validate your beliefs. Same reason why men (and minorities) are sentenced longer than women for the same crimes The fact that your first assumption after hearing this is to blame boys instead of considering any institutionalized biases or underlying factors says enough
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 10:10 PM
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Boys are more likely to get punished than girls for the same problem behaviors so this surface-level analysis doesn’t track. It also doesn’t explain why the discrepancy is growing in the last few decades so your reasoning is insufficient regardless I do agree that single parent households is a contributing factor — boys suffer more from fatherlessness than girls do. Most boys (and girls) that go to juvie and get in the most trouble are from single mother households after all
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 09:13 PM
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I don’t think men should be afraid of being convicted for false charges because that is exceeding rare if you’re innocent, but it’s the false rumors that gets spread online and social circles without any proof that’s scary You can be on the other side of the country when she claims it happened, and while it would get thrown out in court it gets treated as gospel by public opinion. Never had a false accusation but I had a woman make up a malicious rumor because I ghosted her, and I realized you r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:21 PM
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Even if I grant you that (and I am inclined to believe boys are slightly more sexist now), the large majority of disciplinary behavior comes from fighting, attendance and drugs not rape jokes. Boys were punished more harshly for the same behavior as women, just like our justice system sentences men harsher sentences than we do for women The gap between boys and girls has also been persistent for at least two decades, long before Andrew Tate and the manosphere’s rise in 2021 so this factor is bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:00 PM
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Right after postulating how much she cares about men, she couldn’t even make it 2 posts in before saying these young boys need to pull themselves up from their boot straps and do better lol This subreddit is honestly a blast to scroll through in moderation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:30 PM
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What’s different, is that girls are now surpassing boys. They are surpassing the original “bar” so to speak that was set by boys. Slight correction, boys are also doing slightly better than previous generations. Kids should be doing better than previous generations as we make academic advancements. Girls are just outpacing boys a lot more in that regard That said, I’m not sure how this is supposed to be a meaningful distinction for this conversation. One gender stagnating while the other is impr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:12 PM
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I can say with confidence the punishment gap isn’t because there’s an army of boys making rape jokes lmao. If you genuinely think this you should touch some grass And if we’re using anecdotes, my friend used to be an assistant teacher and she observed how girls were given verbal warnings far more than boys were for similar behavior, while boys were more likely to escalate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:03 PM
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boys proportionately have behavioral problems Boys are also punished harsher than girls for disruptive behavior, which very likely plays a factor And if it was that simple, it doesn’t explain how the discrepancy has only really creeped up in the last decade or two
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:51 PM
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There was a thread here a while back that was about the discrepancy about boys and girls in school, and a lot of women here were dismissive, it’s the boys faults, or saying “that’s just how it’s meant to be” lol I do think women are empathetic if a man (she cares about) shares his struggles or personal trauma, but I don’t think most women actually care about men’s issues aside from maybe mental health recently To be fair, I don’t think men care much about women’s issues either. I don’t see why w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:42 PM
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another extreme You should read my post again, more slowly I explicitly said you shouldn’t be an asshole or put zero effort into women. Most men who don’t get matches are not putting zero effort in. If shes not showing high interest from the start then shes not worth putting effort into As a man with plenty of experience with a ton of different women from OLD, i think I know how this works a little more than how one woman who uses OLD thinks lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:36 PM
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The men limiting their pool by not putting effort. Effort is not what’s limiting these guys from getting dates lol I’ve seen countless examples of men spending a lot of money on dinners and investing in women barely interested in them only for them to link up with a different guy who bought them a Wendy’s 4x4 bag lmao I’m not saying do the absolute bare minimum or be an asshole, but if a woman likes you she’ll make it very easy. And if she doesn’t, I can say with confidence she’s not worth the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:25 PM
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Yeah, OLD is straight up not possible for a lot of man. It’s hard for women to understand this because you can get a ton of matches regardless of how busted you look — an average guy gets one match per week on dating apps The best advice is to push these men to date offline. It’s a lot harder, but some of those women who would’ve swiped left could be interested in real life and the quality tends to be much higher
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:15 PM
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I agree with you that taking precautions before intimately inviting people in your life is important. I don’t blame women (or anybody) for being cautious around men or women they don’t know That’s a bit different than the “men should be assumed to be evil until proven otherwise” mindset that OP is discussing though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:09 PM
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There’s a big difference between taking basic safety precautions in your everyday life and assuming every man and woman you meet is a violent killer or a gold digging hoe who wants to ruin your life lol I’m cautious of men (and women) I’m not familiar with because I know they could be dangerous, but I’m also cognizant of the fact that most people aren’t evil That said, I know everybody has their own experiences so I don’t blame them for being extra cautious and assuming the absolute worst of peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:35 PM
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They want to turn the hot guy into something serious. I think this applies sometimes, but from my experience a lot of them are just down for a hookupwhile looking for something serious with somebody else Most women nowadays aren’t dumb enough to believe having sex with a hot guy will keep him hooked lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:00 PM
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It’s really no different than manosphere dudes saying women aren’t worth their time but choosing to pursue relationships with them — of course the woman they choose is the “good one” and not reflective of women as a whole Those guys are often criticized by women here but I’ve observed a lot of women here share a similar mindset to them I agree men definitely shouldn’t care about the “collective men” that women complain about. Your qualities might be the complaint of one woman but also be desired…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:51 PM
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Yeah I have to agree here. It’s really weird how the same women who demonize porn/men openly showing their interest in it will also openly flaunt their interest in softcore porn lol I don’t have “hatred” for romance novels (my partner reads them sometimes), but I look at said women the same way they look at gooners. It’s really weird but I’m not losing sleep over it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:37 PM
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Young men are souring on Trump so it’s already happening, but the problem is young men still view the Democratic Party very unfavorably. If Trump somehow runs a third term it’ll likely go very poorly for him, but it doesn’t mean young men will start voting blue in general All Republicans need to do is run a reasonable center-right candidate in 2028 to get young men back, while Dems need to completely rebrand their image before 2028
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:34 AM
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The right hijacked the manosphere because the left doesn’t care about young men at all, so they took the opportunity to appeal to their insecurities by pretending like they and making them feel heard. It’s pretty straightforward Also I don’t think there’s an epidemic of former hoes turning to Jesus. I can say with 100% confidence it’s just a fringe internet phenomenon lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:11 PM
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I thought this thread was made because you care about addressing the toxicity that goes on in social media and these toxic spaces, because you obviously can’t fix one without the other If you just want to complain about the men and the manosphere that’s valid and I won’t hold you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:42 PM
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The MANosphere Maybe I didn’t make it obvious enough; my point is this is a pointlessly gendered post because a very significant part of your post can be gender flipped. Women focused dating content is obscenely toxic and filled with emotionally immature people as well. There’s grifters that profit off misery to drive engagement
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:23 PM
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It’s not really a gender thing. Most people who engage in these forms of content are people already struggling with the other gender and more likely to be already bitter and emotionally immature It’s a big reason why red pill and pink pill content on TikTok tends to be so toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:08 PM
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it is a snapchat of their current relationship status Yes, and they should be roughly equal in theory. The fact that tatted women consistently report being engaged in casual relationships indicates they have a higher proclivity to doing so (which you acknowledged) The original poster said tatted women are more “loose” and you shouldn’t commit to them. And if you define loose as being more likely to engage in casual relationships then the data shows it Like I said, I don’t entirely agree with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:51 PM
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the relationship status breakdown doesn’t really support your allegation either. I haven’t read the study, but your image shows tattooed women are indeed engaging in more casual relationships? Albeit not a significant degree but more likely like he said Granted, most women have at least 1 tattoo nowadays so I don’t think it’s the best indicator in itself like it was in the 80s; even innocent women get little tats now. I’d definitely like to see a study with lots of tats and weird piercings and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:32 PM
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No idea if you’ve done research on this topic (probably not), but women are more neurotic than men are. Men and women’s brains are wired differently with pros and cons for both, and women consistently shown to be more focused on tiny details compared to men. Hence my point about hours work not being a reliable metric Also the burden of proof that women actually do more tasks is on the person making the claim, not me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:54 PM
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Regardless of how you feel on this topic I’d have to agree Back in college I spent less time on my homework and assignments than my peers and still received high marks, but it doesn’t mean I did any less work than them Women are more neurotic about tasks than men are so it could very well be them taking more time to do the same tasks. It’s definitely interesting how we don’t have any (?) studies that breaks down household duties by assignment instead of hours work
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:12 PM
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Most people can’t put on a fake persona longterm — I can say with confidence most abusers aren’t the charming Ted Bundy archetype lol It’s a difficult discussion to have because you can’t just list out qualities to avoid and have it work 100% of the time — people aren’t as rigid. It really is a vibe thing that (I find) most well adjusted people intuitively have, but I can sympathize with those who don’t The well adjusted men and women in my life have little trouble finding decent enough women an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:53 PM
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Yeah, men who choose gold diggers are absolutely clowned on by other men. That’s probably the worst example you can use here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:42 PM
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Studies I've seen says that it's mutual between the genders, at least for GenZ Perception may be skewed from the vocal whiny men online whining about attention from women, but anecdotally and most studies seem to indicate there's not a big gap between the genders. Most just aren't whining about it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:07 AM
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Statistically, men are doing much more housework, involved in childcare and more empathetic now than they were 10 years ago so they're much better in that regard. That said, I think a lot more men now are losers so it's worse there tbh For better or worse, women's standards are a lot higher now so it might not feel that way
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:47 AM
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There’s definitely some wisdom that can be gleamed from older folks for sure, but you just can’t understand all the little nuances unless you actually experience it OLD has completely changed in the last decade from the early Tinder days to now. In 20 years, I’ll give my best dating advice to my children with my experience, but I’m also not delusional enough to pretend I understand everything lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:41 PM
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Here’s a crazy concept, maybe you and those red pill grifters are both out-of-touch with the younger generation and their language
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:56 PM
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My partner wanted us to be official on the 3rd date and it was refreshing to avoid all that uncertainty And I agree dating is a lot more complicated now. Doesn’t help that people are a lot more fearful of commitment and scared to communicate their feelings first I get the confusion for sure, but it’s still funny how men and women in their late 30s/40s who don’t use much if any social media think they know how the young generation uses language lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:51 PM
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Yes, the term was only colloquially coined a few years ago but the concept has been around forever From my experience, most people who actually talk and complain about situationships share a very similar definition. Only confusion seems to be from older people who only vaguely heard of it online To be clear, I’m not saying there aren’t some gray areas and every single situationship is the same, but most people share a very similar definition
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:11 PM
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If neither wanted or tried to date each other then it’s obviously a FWB; neither is stringing the other around. I’m not sure what’s so hard for people to understand Feelings sometimes surfacing during FWBs doesn’t change that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:52 PM
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I already have a girlfriend and I don’t want to replace her or have two. I feel this could be a big reason People catch feelings from FWBs because they feel something more is there or developed since the arrangement was made, but if you’re already in a happy relationship it’s a different dynamic since there’s far less “uncertainly” involved Also I hear people in the poly scene are a lot less likely to catch feelings too but I could be wrong there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:41 PM
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If you ever needed a reminder that the average PPD poster is in their late 30s-40s just look at this thread lmao Explaining the difference between FWBs and situationships feels like explaining to your mom why you can’t pause your online match as a kid
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:33 PM
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I was surprised by how many women told me they never got aftercare and how most guys just tossed them out after finishing You either be an asshole and feel bad, or be a good person and be accused of playing with their emotions lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:21 PM
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Man that last part is so real lol It felt like I had to be a fuckboy and selfish in bed for FWBs to work without feelings getting caught and it felt a little gross having to do that It doesn’t matter how transparent you are, some women (and men too) will always manage to rationalize FWBs as being something more in their heads
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:13 PM
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My partner is pretty feminine. She’s puts a lot of effort into her appearance and is good at (most lol) of the traditionally feminine stuff, but she’s also assertive at work and her personal life She would need to enrich my life by bringing support, stability, good vibes, great sex, and just being somebody I can trust We actually didn’t have too many hobbies in common when we first met. I was more into physical activities and gaming and she liked fashion, concerts and artsy stuff but we’ve picke…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:58 PM
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It really depends on the niche because some niches are much more attractive than others Being a pretty boy that sings, plays music and being a little in touch of with your feminine side is by far the best niche you can have as a man imo
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:34 PM
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Yeah it’s unfortunate seeing so many careers ruined because they make bad decisions with women A lot of them are very young and getting swarm with attention and validation from models trying to use their money and influence. I feel women are taught from a young age to be wary of men taking advantage but these guys need a course like that too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:11 PM
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Pretty boys were always popular tbh I was in choir for a brief period and those guys were linking up with so many attractive women it was insane. They’re a little more niche but the women who do like it go feral for it from my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:08 PM
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There’s actually a lot of men who’d be down for a SAHD arrangement but most women don’t want that Men report wanting to spend more time with their children at historic highs so this isn’t the gotcha you think it is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:59 PM
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Yes, there’s a big difference between a woman who has sex for fun recreationally and a woman who has sex transactionally and shares it with the public Not to say there aren’t a lot of promiscuous women with issues and trauma — promiscuity is linked to BPD and other antisocial personality disorders. There’s still just a lot of normal men and women that sleep around whereas sex workers almost universally have severe issues
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:45 PM
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But why does this part matter specifically? A lot of sex workers have severe mental illnesses and trauma that makes landing a good, healthy relationship hard. A lot of them develop warped feelings of men and relationships in general There’s a lot of normal women (and men) that can be good partners after sleeping around but sex workers are a different beast There’s also a lot of women who aren’t transparent about it I don’t disagree with you here. I don’t think most men and women care unless the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:05 PM
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I think women are definitely more independent for sure, but no matter what introverted Reddit folks tell you — most people still desire relationships. Relationship data for women and the rise of women’s dating groups paint a pretty objective picture here that a lot of women still want relationships Perhaps there’ll be a shift as the older generations phase out and the current generation gets older, but I honestly doubt the data will change dramatically
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:55 PM
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To be fair, Mia Khalifa has trouble locking down a man because she’s a mentally ill and a sex worker lol There’s a lot of women that slept around in college and didn’t have much trouble locking down a decent enough man, but those women are usually fairly attractive and a decent partner I used to sleep around a lot back in college and managed to date a high quality trad woman. Most people in the real world don’t care if you sleep around if you’re a high quality partner
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:43 PM
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I don’t understand this logic in any way. Because you’re still misinterpreting what I’m saying Dems are and have always been safe politicians that won’t rock the boat. Trump, even in his first term created chaos. It didn’t manifest in the same crazy ways as this term because he didn’t have sycophants around him and they actually kept him in check Like I said I disagree with the idea, but if I’m someone who’s already struggling and feeling ignored in the Biden era and his VP now presidential nomi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:14 AM
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Trump wasn’t a wildcard in 2024 You misunderstand what I mean by wildcard. Harris was a known quantity in every regard, especially once she said she was picking up where Biden left off If you struggled under the Biden admin it wouldn’t get any better under Harris. Meanwhile there’s a small percentage chance Trump does something insane and makes things better. I think it’s really silly logic, but I’ve heard this repeated a lot and I understand it to some extent She was not the lesser of two evils…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:24 PM
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The worst effects of Covid and inflation happened under Biden so it’s perceived that way, yes It’s not Biden’s fault and it would’ve happened to literally any president, but we’re discussing the perception to average voters who aren’t deep into politics like presumably you and I
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:52 PM
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Men were struggling under Trump A lot of people were doing very well under Trump pre-Covid during his first term It’s not because of him but rather inheriting an already booming economy from Obama, but that’s just untrue by nearly every objective metric
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:47 PM
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I definitely agree men would be better off with Harris purely because one is neutral and the other is a net negative, but you’re looking at it a little too logically for an average voter Men were struggling under Biden and Harris didn’t differentiate herself from him. I think it’s goofy to think this way, but I can see the logic behind voting for the “wildcard” to possibly shake things up for the better People vote out of self-interest. Women voted for Harris because she directly appealed to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:39 PM
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Bad take, no group enjoys being demonized The fact that so many women (rightfully) hate the manosphere and their mean spirited rhetoric towards their gender is indicative of this. It would be crazy to expect women to vote for any kind of person like that in power Dems can push positive messaging while being inclusive of all genders and races equally
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:16 PM
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Young men in general are also cooling on Trump too so that’s good, but the bad news is they hate the Democratic Party even more I don’t think Dems are in anywhere near as bad of a position as people claim, but they’ll need to do pull some big image rebrands before 2028
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:03 PM
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She didn’t lose them to the manosphere; the Dems just didn’t even try to win them over lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:50 PM
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but have multiple woman asked for it. Like explicitly and repeatedly. A few times during dirty talk with size queens, but I won’t lie and say it was super common or anything. Obviously I had more women explicitly asking for oral but I’m not saying you should skimp on that at all Like I said in another comment, “punching” her cervix is very bad. Gently prodding and massaging it sensually usually had pretty good reception from women afterwards
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:24 PM
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and not suck on their clit? I’m starting to question if people here are actually having sex because you can obviously do both lol Just because I enjoy penetration more doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy receiving oral sex too, it’s not one or the other
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:57 PM
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You’re speaking solely from your own experience and I’m speaking from the experiences of multiple partners I’ve been with expressing their enjoyment when done right Just sounds like selection bias on your part
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:45 PM
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It’s definitely interesting how women here criticize men here for speaking for their experiences (which is a valid complaint) while also speaking for men’s sexual experiences lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:22 PM
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I’ve probably been with a quite a few more women than you have. Just because you don’t enjoy the pain/pleasure sensation (which is valid) doesn’t mean women in real life don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:06 PM
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I promise you a lot of women enjoyed having their cervix being poked lol If you’re jackhammering her cervix with it then it’ll obvious hurt more it feeling pleasurable, but if you’re being sensual and careful many of them love it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:38 PM
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I’m surprised this is still even a discussion tbh Take a look at any women’s group chat; if any of them are even remotely sexual active you’ll see them bragging about big dicks all the time Women love bigger guys, but being average isn’t a dealbreaker for most women either
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:35 PM
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No, I said those aren’t high standards. Just because those aren’t high standards doesn’t mean they’re reasonable standards for every single man Depending on where you live and your age groups, those qualities aren’t high standards for a woman at all. At the same time, if I’m a 40 year old fat loser who still lives with his mom, that would be an unreasonable standard for me despite those qualities still not being a high standard for women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:29 PM
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how I like them and want to continue seeing them, it has resulted in poor outcomes - lack of interest. There’s a difference between showing no interest and coming on too strong. Women here will tell you otherwise for obvious reasons, but a lot of women don’t want a guy who yearns for her first or so early. She’ll give you obvious signs when she’s ready for it It’s unfortunate, but dating in the early stages works far better as a man if you’re a little distant instead of a little clingy. If she s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:27 PM
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Yeah this is a good example. When people think of ‘virgin shaming’ they think it’s solely about making direct, mean comments. It happens sometimes, but with women it’s a lot more subtle and insidious like you’re describing — their attitude towards you just flips entirely and they lose the spark It’d be like if a woman told a man she had a past and he starts to give you a slow fade and loses interest. It’s not direct slut shaming but it’s very clearly present
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:13 PM
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Funny enough, I was in a frat and played sports in college too so I know exactly the kind of men you’re talking about. I can only half-agree with this perspective though Most of them were normal but there were a vocal minority of guys who talked a lot of shit like you’re describing. These places have an intense dude bro culture that’s not really found anywhere else so it’s hardly reflective of men as a whole I’m sure you’re also aware there’s a lot of toxic women in sororities who frequent frat …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:05 PM
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This is one of the many cases where people’s perspective are clouded by a minority of people on the internet Outside of staunch religious folks (which is exactly the same for both men and women) the only men against this are the vocal minority of sexless men you see online saying it to spite men. The vast majority of men are in favor of abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:52 PM
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Men think they get to be the judge and jury of what “reasonable” and “unreasonable standards” are. That’s not how that works. …You realize the person I responded to made her own judgment of what’s considered high standards for women right? You’re missing the point of this discussion You’re conflating reasonable standards and high standards. What’s considered “reasonable” standards is dependent on person-to-person, but what’s considered “high standard” is mostly static My post explicitly referenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:21 AM
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I think there’s a reasonable degree where it gets exhausting for any man, but I generally agree. Men have always been expected to reassure women tbh The viral “would you love me it I was a worm” question and all of its variations encapsulates it pretty well, and the fact that most men resonates with it and there not being any kind of gender flipped version speaks enough (And before the strawmans come I know it’s a silly question with an easy response, but think a little deeper by what we can gle…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:44 PM
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Sure, some guys here think that but I don't think most women are raging hoes like some TRP figures claims. They definitely have access to casual sex but statistically most women have less than a handful of casual encounters in their lives You must live in a different area than I do because both young and old single women I know are dating and having hook ups and I know very, very few women who waited until their 40s to have kids. Most where I live if they didn’t fall pregnant in their late teens…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:57 PM
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Most women in the US are fat (so are men tbf) but most women absolutely are not fat in general lol. We don’t use absolute relativism for standards outside of genetic and economic outcomes Most women don’t sleep around, and most women don’t have kids until their 40s at earliest. Outside of being fat (40%~), a statistical majority of women meet these standards That’s like saying a woman wanting a 6’0 man inherently has high standards since that’s less than 20% of men. Or maybe you do think that, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:32 PM
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No, the way the post is being framed is those standards are genuinely high in the context of the first post First post is explicitly saying women shouldn’t be complaining when they have unreasonable standards such as “chasing top 10% of men” while the rebuttal was “then men shouldn’t be complaining about not getting thin, childless women who don’t sleep around” You can interpret it that way but it’s pretty obvious what’s being stated here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:12 PM
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I agree some men are equally guilty here with their standards, but are we really suggesting wanting a woman who’s not fat, no kids and isn’t a hoe is some kind of unreasonable high standard lmao Feels like the bare minimum for guys in my circle, but to each their own
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:43 PM
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I agree men are easier to please, but honestly women are very easy to figure out when you get enough experience tbh The things that men have to do just requires much more effort than just food and sex, but the framework is pretty easy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:43 PM
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What makes men standards okay to have but women should change their standard? Nah, I received hate DMs by women here when I mentioned the standards I had when I was single so it’s not a gendered thing. Women have been pushing for a greater range of body standards and judging men for it for quite some time now. People in general want high standards for their gender but hate it when the other gender increases their standards But the answer to this topic has and will always been the same for me — m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:17 PM
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Why should you care about what terminally online miserable women who probably don’t even like men thinks about you? Most normal women off the internet are indifferent at on this topic at beet I asked out women fairly quickly after getting choosing signals or matching with them on dating apps all the time and it worked out great. It’s not my style, but I know some guys who like the slow burn and that worked for them too Just do what feels natural — you’re not gonna get all (or nowhere near most) …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:07 PM
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I think you guys are probably more concerned with showing off your partner than we are. Agreed. Didn’t realize until I expanded my social circle but every single woman I know (and my ex’s) who used dating apps always sends pictures of the guy they’re talking to in their girl’s group chat for approval first. You almost never see the inverse in guy’s group chats I do think a lot more guys care about appearance and their standards aren’t quite as low as they’re willing to admit, but they absolutely…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 05:21 PM
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Yes, women have all this too but women MASK more. I agree with this. But masking mental disorders in public doesn’t make you a “good partner” at all because it all comes out in private at the end of the day Doesn’t matter how well your BPD girlfriend masks in public if she’s still neurotic when you get home; you’re still dealing with the same day-to-day issues
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 03:23 AM
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Women actually commit DV just as much as men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 03:18 AM
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For starters, most of these stories are glorified fan fiction and fantasies And even if they were true (because those types of people do exist), that’s just how people rationalize shitty behavior. If it wasn’t for “FOMO”, these women would’ve blamed a lack of attention from their partners or anything tangentially related and not being a terrible human being Breaking up with their partner to have fun I can understand, but if they were a shitty enough person to cheat on their partner they would’ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:55 AM
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It does 100%. Men who complain about not getting a girlfriend and women who complain about “not finding a good man” are two sides of the same coin Most of the women in my social circle never struggled to find a decent enough guy when they actually started trying and put themselves out there. After a certain point I don’t think it’s just luck tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 01:03 AM
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Your link doesn’t work but the gender ratio isn’t really relevant to the discussion. My point wasn’t that men are much less likely to live with their parents, as I never brought men up My point is that living with your parents is statistically common in certain age and wealth demographics Most of the people in this subreddit are in their late 30s/40s and (I suspect) living in major urban cities, so you are gonna see a lot of men and women living on their own
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 12:44 AM
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It depends on the age range and where you live. Statistically only 10% of young women (18-35) live alone and over 50% still live with their parents in the US If you’re around older women and live in affluent neighborhoods in metro cities then you’re going to be exposed to a lot more independent women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 12:23 AM
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I don’t know if I’d take a meme Twitter account seriously Regardless, I don’t think one story online discredits anything I said You’re attracting anxiously attached women, not healthy women. Most of them were very healthy women actually. I think wanting a man to be clingy at the beginning is a bigger indicator she has baggage if anything imo I’ve dealt with women like that when I was younger and they always needed constant reassurance
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:57 PM
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I’m referring to the talking stage, not relationships. Most single guys struggling with dating come on way too strong early, but most women want the guy to match her energy since desperation is by far the single biggest turn off for women. When you’re both locked in together I agree a lot of women are into that though I can say from experience I had a lot more success with being a little distant instead of trying too hard, and most men will say the same thing. Too many guys just do it in an auti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:43 PM
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Unfortunately, being distant over clingy consistently yields much better results for men in the current dating scene. Especially for the younger generation Even a lot of women who claim they want their man clingy don’t actually like it when it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:23 PM
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Huh? Knowing the cons of what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:06 PM
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I actually agree men cockblock each other in other ways — mainly the men love to put other men down to look good for women That said, I don’t see anything wrong with discouraging men from getting plastic surgery, Botox, implants or leg lengthening or anything like that. You see women telling other women they don’t need BBLs, plastic surgery, Botox, breast implants or lip fillers when they express interest, which is also good
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 08:18 PM
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My conclusion comes from the perspectives of my partners, experiences of women in my social circle in happy relationships and what I observe, not from my feelings as a man YMMV and it could be different for you and your friend group though
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:39 PM
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I don’t think you have to engage in hookups to feel that initial spark. I know plenty of women in my social circle who very attracted to their partner but were never into hookups I think demisexual people obviously exist, but I don’t think women actually experience attraction differently than men. It’s just much harder for women to share that same feeling
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:19 PM
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There’s quite a lot of conservative countries that don’t chop off your hands or punish you for sleeping around, but fair enough And libido is a major factor in why younger people sleep around more. Do you disagree? You’re just restating the thesis, and I still disagree Most women have their highest libido in their 30s but they don’t sleep around despite there being no legal or social consequences. They still have that high sex drive but only want it in committed (or at least exclusive) relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:24 PM
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Libido has nothing to do with dating/sleeping around with lots of different people I’m not denying we’re hormonal when we’re young, but the concept of “having fun” in your 20s has only been around in the last 60ih years at most. We also know this because most women in the real world (especially GenZ) aren’t doing that The younger person in the conservative country will have a higher libido, but they’ll seek to do so in a committed relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:53 PM
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Sleeping around with many different people in your 20s is obviously a cultural thing not attributed to hormones
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:39 PM
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If they can lie about this then they can lie about anything, including cheating. Trust is the foundation and is the default in any healthy relationship, but if you start doubting your partner then cracks start to form and it comes out in unhealthy ways Your analogy is off because of the intent behind it matters. There’s malicious and intentionally deceitful lies and “white lies.” If I specifically ask my partner something (like say her past) and she intentionally lies and says something untrue, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:37 PM
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The vast majority of women definitely aren’t demisexual lol I do think women are much pickier so it’s harder to find a guy who brings out that visceral attraction though. A lot of women just “settle” with a guy who they do genuinely enjoy being with, but aren’t really attracted to and it comes out in dangerous ways later in the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:03 PM
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That said, if someone’s sexual past (irrespective of gender) bothers you even AFTER marriage, that’s something to examine. I think the issue is your partner lying to you. Even if I was the most sex positive person in the world I’d be very upset if my partner lied to me about that It’d be like if your husband lied to you about not hooking up with other women during the “talking phase” when asked. Sure, it doesn’t matter now but cracks in trust would start to form for most normal people and that’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:18 PM
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To be fair, men lie about things that they know would be a turn off so they can enter relationships too. For both men and women it’s just selfishness, then they rationalize it later Basing the foundation of your relationship off a lie is always a bad idea but most people have a short-term mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:06 PM
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There’s lots of good advice if you want to avoid hoes, but it should be within reason. Huge difference between “I don’t want to date somebody the whole bar has been with” and “I don’t want to date somebody who’s ever held hands with a guy” The former is fair and there’s a lot of normal women who’s only been with a handful of guys, but the latter is very unreasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:56 PM
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A lot of the most confident, outspoken women I’ve linked up with turned out to be starfishes in bed, while I’ve had plenty of introverted women drain the soul of me lol Maybe other guys have wildly different experiences than myself, but I don’t think there’s correlation between confidence and skills in bed
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:13 PM
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It’s really not that hard to teach somebody to do it the way you like. Regardless of experience, every person has to learn how to do things the way their partner likes it My partner was inexperienced and she was pretty bad at first, but now she gives the best head I’ve ever had
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:08 PM
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I don’t agree with them, but I’m just saying it’s not the best advice for guys that do want that Women with warped views of men like that tend to have a lot of trauma and mental health issues, and that’s an even stronger correlation with infidelity than promiscuity
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:01 PM
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It’s a little funny how the male leads in romance novels are always these hyper-masculine and traditional men with very feminists views lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:18 PM
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Scammers were never an issue for me since they’re pretty easy to spot, it’s the catfishing that was getting bad back when I was on the apps Some women use AI apps to edit their pictures, face and body. Went on a date one time and I swear she had a completely different face lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 10:02 PM
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Sage advice. This was a game changer when I started doing this. It avoids catfishing and you save a lot of money on dates as a man Way too many times I showed up on a date and within 5 minutes I knew this wasn’t gonna work
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 09:48 PM
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I feel like anybody who says that is either projecting or just regurgitating it from someone else because I have literally never heard of this If she’s fantasizing about other men I think the relationship has bigger problems and her sexual history may not be a factor lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 09:42 PM
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I can say with confidence and experience that most of those “I hate men” women absolutely get around lol That said, most women are not promiscuous. You shouldn’t be specifically looking for low N count women, you should be asking how to avoid high N count women which is pretty easy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 09:36 PM
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A lot of people don’t go crazy in college and most people are not having much casual sex Especially true in the last decade; most people are partying less, drinking less and having less sex in college Like I said, I thought most people did that because of my social circle, but data and talking to people outside my echo chamber tells a different story. Sleeping around in your 20s just isn’t the norm regardless of gender or whether you can or can’t
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 09:20 PM
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Most people in general don’t “sleep around” — most men and women only have a handful of casual encounters in their lives. This phenomena of wanting to rack up partners in your 20s is entirely cultural It might be just because of my field, but me and one other guy are literally the only two in the entire office who had fun back in college. Most people just don’t have that mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 08:10 PM
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I disagree with it being a hormonal thing, but I do agree that most women who “settle down” in their 30s aren’t maliciously planning it like some red pillers claim Priorities just change as we get older. Sometimes you want companionship and sometimes you want to have that fun phase you missed out on when you were younger
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:02 PM
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There’s a lot of men and women who don’t “date as many people as they find attractive as they can” even if they can do it I knew plenty of men and women who could’ve dated around in their 20s but wanted to find their life partner, and I know a decent number of men and women in their 30s who just want fun
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:54 PM
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Most gym goers have a 9-5 and have a life outside the gym like everybody. They treat it as a hobby. You’re conflating bodybuilders or PTs with normal muscular men who just go to the gym and lift heavy For the record, a lot of gym goers are there because they were bullied when they were younger or do so out of insecurity/body dysmorphia. Not only are most of them not superficial, a lot of the people you see at your local gym are genuinely some of the nicest people you’ll meet You’re the only one …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:22 PM
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I’ve noticed this subreddit has a severe reading comprehension problem lately lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 05:37 PM
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Clearly you haven’t watched any of the videos he’s describing These influencers aren’t telling women to achieve this “soft girl” lifestyle by grinding their asses off 60 hours a week, it’s by charming men and specifically choosing men who “aren’t dusty” (e.g. willing to spend on them). That’s literally that “sprinkle sprinkle” girl’s entire shtick
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 04:46 PM
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My point is that men that are gym rat tend to be more into hookup and superficial than the rest. This has the same energy as incels saying “attractive women who dress up and wear makeup tend to be sluttier and more superficial” lol There is no correlation with going to the gym/wanting to look better and being more superficial. Muscular men have higher partners because they have more opportunities with attractive women not because they’re somehow more desperate for poon
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:41 PM
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Neither. One is a fuck buddy and the other is a glorified best friend If I had to pick one I’d probably pick the option 2 as a FWB but date around to find an actual good option
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:04 PM
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Yeah that male physique is achievable natty but it that takes years of hard work, starving yourself and being dehydrated to look like that. I only had that figure briefly when I was younger and it was a really bad experience Unfortunately a lot of young men are on gear nowadays so that figure isn’t nearly as rare as it was say 50 years ago and leads to that perception that you mentioned It’s no different from the men seeing women with BBLs and thinking normal women can get that just from squats …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 01:49 PM
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So you’re saying the strong correlation between muscles and sexual partners is because these men are sleeping with unattractive women now but weren’t before they became muscular? Just say you don’t like the data lol. Women will absolutely sleep with muscular men with shitty personalities
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 01:39 PM
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I used to work out with a few of my female friends, and they never wanted to work on bi/triceps because they think they’ll get “muscular arms” after lifting dumbbells a few times lol A great male physique inherently takes much more effort because there’s a lot more muscles groups involved with higher intensity
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 01:27 PM
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Oh yeah, there’s were definitely some unhinged women (and some men tbh) replying to that I don’t think a lot of those women actually believe she’s gorgeous, they’re just rushing to her defense. She could’ve looked like Lizzo and most of the replies wouldn’t change lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 05:58 AM
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Listening to your partner vent is “emotional labor.” Yes, there’s good and bad ways of being an outlet but that’s entirely beside the point — men have always done this just as much as women Considering how dismissive you’ve been and automatically assume men are worse emotional outlets with no evidence that sounds like projection to me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 05:27 AM
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Women say they don’t find muscles attractive Because this subreddit is filled with socially awkward, introverted women lol. Most women in real life like muscles Obviously women don’t care for that extra muscular juiced up 8% body fat physique, but having a toned body is probably the single biggest attraction boost you can actually work on outside of social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 02:27 AM
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Most women in my life are with very normal dudes. And it sounds like these normal dudes aren’t using their partners as their sole emotional outlet lol It’s almost like it wasn’t a gendered thing as much as an unstable partner issue. Just like men with substance abuse and anger issues, BPD and neurotic women are emotionally exhausting to be around too In most normal relationships, women yap far more than men do from my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 01:54 AM
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Just looked into her. I think she looks fine, don’t know if I’d agree with her self “baddie” label at all though lol I was expecting something ragebaity but she was voicing her opinion pretty respectfully. She just thinks there’s not many guys she feels are attractive to her which is fine I can see why this fueled a gender war debate and spun off into something crazy but the lady herself doesn’t really deserve hate imo
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:25 AM
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Not true. We all see fit men with fat women all the time at the gym — way more than the inverse. They usually treat their boyfriends like kings and put up with a lot more shit compared to their looksmatch That said, statistically most couples are within their league so it’s not a widespread occurrence
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:49 PM
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You’d be surprised at the number of women who wouldn’t mess with “Chad.” They definitely get the most sex, but a lot of average women recognize the potential baggage that comes with it and avoid them I’ve hooked up and dated enough 9s or “Stacy’s” and it’s no different
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:31 PM
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This is raw data coming directly from OKCupid not a study I agree this data shouldn’t be treated as gospel unless another dating app releases their own data as well, but these circumstances aren’t nearly as disqualifying as a study not being replicated simply because nobody has released their data since It’s maybe not something I’d use to substantiate my argument when writing a thesis, but for debating gender dynamics on Reddit it’s sufficient
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:12 PM
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I think it’s both I remember when the Tea app selfies were leaked and a lot of women came to their defense calling them pretty. Most of them were fat (average weight was like 195lbs from their DVs lol) and genuinely unattractive Likewise, when women showed some of the guys most of them were very average but men were calling them attractive and using it as proof that women only chase “Chads” which wasn’t true either Men and women both rate their own gender as more attractive than they really are
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:58 PM
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For my partner: being supportive, listening and communicating, doing little things for her, cooking and overall keeping the passion alive with cute dates and sexual tension. We both still have that same spark from when we first met to this day You don’t have to do anything explosive or make any grand gestures if she genuinely likes you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:12 PM
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The average man on Tinder gets 2-3 likes a week and 1 match a week. The average woman gets well over a hundred likes in a day I understand women’s perspective and why they’re extremely picky but there’s no need to make a false equivalency here — most men can’t be picky on dating apps even if they wanted to
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:46 PM
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Women do have an endless supply of men, it’s just that most women aren’t attracted to the large majority of men If a woman gets 100 likes she’ll probably match with maybe 15 of them with women’s swipe data. A percentage of that is men swiping on everybody, looking to get their dick wet or won’t message her first. The actual number of men she’ll actively engage with is closer to 4 or 5 out of those 100 likes she gets Not to say women should be obligated to date men they’re not attracted to or thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:34 PM
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Married women are “only” 4% more likely to have friends compared to married men. There’s a sizable gap for single men and women but not married I hear your anecdotes, but for almost all the men in my life (including myself) their woman emotionally vent more than the inverse That said, if your social group is constantly dating men with anger issues and substance abuse it’s probably not reflective of men as a whole and just the type of men they like. Emotionally unstable people (including bipolar …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:19 PM
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There’s some scientific basis that women do more overall labor when including chores and childcare, but there’s no basis to women taking care of men’s emotional and social needs more than the inverse If anything, there’s more evidence to the contrary since women speak twice as much as men do. Men have just always been expected to listen to their woman while men venting and expressing their feelings is a more recent phenomenon that women aren’t used to
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:38 PM
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These are a small percentage of both men and women with these bizarre profiles. I won’t speak for men, but there’s a lot of women with these types of profiles on dating apps, especially when you filter for 30+ lol It could be the same for men, but I will say there’s a lot of hurt women on dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:35 PM
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There’s definitely a lot of women with inflated views of what they deserve, but I don’t see a problem with it tbh. They’ll either get the man they want or die alone That said, a lot of women do lower their physical standards as they get older it won’t be as bad
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 02:22 PM
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This is the best take I feel like socially calibrated men know that verbal consent is a turn off for most women and just know by body language, but emphasizing consent is still very important for… less socially inclined men who don’t quite get it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 02:09 PM
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I agree it’s not great advice, but if you genuinely don’t like the vast majority of men then I’m not sure what advice can be good for you to be fair lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:06 PM
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Same advice I give incels: either lower your standards, work on yourself so you can be appealing to the men and women you want, or you can die alone I feel a lot of women (and men tbh) do end up lowering their physical standards as they get older so a lot of this gets sorted out with age imo
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:58 PM
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You don’t see it on this subreddit for obvious reasons, but there’s a lot of women in relationship advice subs that complain about not being able to find a man or not getting the commitment that they want To his point, there’s not much of a difference between them so it’s not really a gendered thing. At the end of the day, both men and women should just pursue people mutually interested in them but that seems to be an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:46 PM
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Sage advice honestly Man or woman, if somebody is interested in you then they’ll make it obvious and easy for you. Those should be the type of people you pursue If you find that people who you perceive to be on “your level” aren’t interested in dating or committing to you, then it might be time to do some reevaluating and self-reflection
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:43 PM
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because every one not in your crew is competition. As somebody who used to go to frat parties and had a lot of casual sex, I can say with 100% confidence very few heterosexual men that have frequent sex has this childish tribal mindset lol Nobody except incels and tryhards see’s other men as obstacles or “competition” when it comes to pulling women because there’s plenty of them around. That’s the mindset of desperate men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:20 PM
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If you ask a frat boy what works for them and an average woman, you’d get fairly different answers. How are you gonna say “this isn’t middle school” then say guys aren’t gonna give honest advice on how to pull women, like come on lol. Most guys are honest about what works for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:05 PM
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I never said they give purposely bad advice? I said most people give advice in their gender’s best interest that doesn’t give complete “power” to other gender. The dating advice I will give to my child will be different from the dating advice I give to my friends — and it’s not because I’m giving them “purposely bad advice” I never said women’s advice is meaningless for guys. I’m saying by far the best advice will come from guys who pull women and understand the intricacies of everything Women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 02:33 PM
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For a few reasons actually 1) Because people (both men and women) will give advice in their gender’s best interest. A man will never tell a woman to make them wait for sex, and a woman will never tell a guy he should be a little pushy and a bit of an asshole 2) Just because a woman interacts with men who fucks a lot, it doesn’t mean she understands every part that goes into it. I used to fuck a lot when I was single and I have a general framework of what women do, but even I don’t know every bit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:34 PM
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Yes, they objectively do lol There’s a famous streamer named Asmongold who’s a Trumpie, very ugly, never touched a dumbbell in his life, horrible hygiene and literally lives with roaches. He opened his Snapchat and revealed he had literal dozens of internet models throwing themselves at him and sending him nudes Once you have enough clout you can sleep with a lot of attractive women off that alone
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:25 PM
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I caught that too. It’s honestly impressive how much you can tell somebody’s biases by the way they talk about each gender lol It’s like the guys who use “females” but refer to guys as “men” in the same posts — it’s so telling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:19 PM
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A hug without consent is considered sexual assault in a lot of these kinds of surveys so I don’t see why we should care about these stats lol I guarantee you women in real life don’t care if you try to kiss them without asking if she already agreed to a date or y’all are flirting together at a bar — only terminally online weirdo women who hate men anyway are saying to verbally ask for consent Worst case she turns you down and you respectfully move on, but I promise she’s not gonna file a case ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:15 PM
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I never said avoiding emotional intimacy inherently means that; I’ve had FWBs who weren’t looking for anything serious for valid reasons at the time Those reasons were a little different from “I’ve never had a healthy relationship where we were able to be emotionally available with each other so I don’t see a purpose in them” It’s like an incel saying “I’ve had so many bad experiences with women and I’ve learned that men should avoid them and focus on themselves.” There’s valid reasons for men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 09:31 PM
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I don’t know about traumatized, but anybody who says their healthiest relationships are when they “kept a healthy distance” with “little to no emotional attachment on the woman’s [my] side” screams they have warped views of romantic relationships from bad experiences I agree FWBs are better than a toxic relationship, but healthy relationships have none of the baggage you mentioned and are way more fulfilling
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 09:11 PM
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It does happen for sure, but statistically most couples are in the same league at least in the western dating scene I see yolked men with bigger women at the gym way more than the inverse, but it’s not reflective of reality at a larger scale either
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:52 PM
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Do you think trans men face anywhere near the same level of transphobia that trans women do?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 10:53 PM
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Bingo. There will still be conflict, wars, wealth inequality and abuse — women will just take the place of men with our current societal structure I think there’d be less violent crime for sure and if that’s your only metric then fair game. Other than that, most of the world’s problems wouldn’t go away This idea that we’d achieve world peace and live in harmony if there was just women tells me some of y’all need to touch some grass and actually talk to women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:20 PM
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Yeah the porn “gotcha” never made sense I love a good steak but I’d never date butcher either. As long as you’re reasonably respectful about it then it’s not hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:07 PM
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it only hurts women because it’s already seen as a negative thing. Being a virgin, being short, or having a little wiener are seen as negative things too; that’s why men perceive them as insults But this is an entirely different position from your OP. Now I agree that being a slut is seen negatively when it comes to dating just like the aforementioned male qualities, but that’s different from hating them as an individual person like you’re stating in the OP Also, I don’t know why you’re comparin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:00 PM
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Women absolutely make it obvious they’re into you. Maybe not always having sex on the first date, but they’ll make plans and the experience crazy easy If you don’t see it, you’re probably bad at reading social cues or the women aren’t that interested in you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:47 PM
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Where are the stats that even support that? Openminded conducted a survey with 64,000 couples and found that the women initiated opening up the relationship a little over 2/3 of the time I’d wager most of these Reddit stories of men opening up their relationships and sharing “retellings” of hearing their wives in the other room with other men in detail are just fantasies im always hearing men coercing their wives to open a marriage up to “explore”. I hear women here say a lot of things that aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:32 PM
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the insults the men use for women are based on something the man doesn’t like being. Women call men they don’t like virgins, small dick, tiny dick energy or incels. I don’t think most women hate male virgins or guys with small dicks, but they say it because they know it hurts men’s ego Equivocally, most men don’t hate women who are sluts but they call them that becomes it hurts women too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:20 PM
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It reminds me of plenty of Reddit stories of men wanting open relationships with their wife only to regret it later when the women herself enjoys it. Those weird stories always felt like revenge fantasy stories tbh Women initiate open relationships way more than men do (70/30~) so the hugely disproportionate number of stories feels like weird fantasies. Especially true with the weird number of details they use in them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:13 PM
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my premise was men using slurs Women use degrading names for men they don’t like all the time lol. Men definitely do it don’t get me wrong, but it’s not a gendered thing and in extreme examples, physical harm/killing Statistically men and women commit similar rates of DV. As far as violent crime is concerned, the overwhelmingly majority of men do not partake in it and the one’s that do almost always have a criminal record beforehand There are disproportionately more violence when it comes to pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:02 PM
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Agreed. I’m friends with hoes (mostly former hoes but I wouldn’t care if they still were), I just wouldn’t date them There’s lots of types of people both men and women would be friends with but just wouldn’t pursue a longterm relationship with
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:47 PM
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Yeah, acting like Andrew Tate is the figurehead of TRP is no different than men who pretend Anita Sarkeesian is still the figurehead of modern feminism lol Goofballs like Tate and FnF are considered clowns even in most manosphere places. Shows how out-of-touch a lot of people who participate in these discussions are
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 01:38 PM
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Pretty sure most of people here are in their late 30s and 40s There really is no point in having topical discussions of social media influencers with people here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 09:19 PM
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How did the current anti-child people get their ideology? Not from their parents obviously It’s probably too early to get solid data on this, but I’d be interested to see how many childfree folks come from liberal or progressive families vs not OP is phrasing his argument poorly, but I can see it being a culture thing for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 09:15 PM
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I’d probably make an exception for hardcore religious women but this is mostly true Most women will definitely hookup with a guy they really like on the first or second date
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 07:17 PM
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Unethical dating tip but it’s definitely true Weird guys are one of the biggest turn offs for women, even if you’re attractive. Too many autistic guys yap way too much; just say what you need at the very moment I don’t think it works well for healthy, longterm relationships but if you’re just looking for hookups or FWBs it’s really good advice
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 07:08 PM
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I got both with my partner; it doesn’t have to be conflicting A lot of women in real life have sex in the first few weeks of meeting their longterm partner and still have a low or average N count so I don’t know why we’re pretending they’re mutually exclusive I see people here use this as some sort of “gotcha” but it comes across as a self report more than anything
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:40 PM
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Agreed. Pretty much every main guy in romance books is fawned over by other women, but the man only has eyes for the average looking main woman Red pill has a lot of nonsense but preselection is one of the few very true things to come out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:27 PM
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Crazy eyes? Thirst traps? Blue hair? Man, you can tell she’s a crimson red flag from a mile away. Hope they throw away the key for this loon
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:18 PM
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I don’t necessarily think they’re virtue signaling, but to his point the opinions and experiences of women here on PPD aren’t reflective of reality at all. Most of the folks here are kinda introverted weirdos I’m here for the data and discussions, but I always take the anecdotes and opinions here of women (and men tbh) with a grain of salt
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:07 PM
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https://bedbible.com/hookup-culture-statistics/ The sexual partners and romantic relationships comes from CDC data that’s readily available online You’re correct that most men have at least a few casual encounters too, maybe not here though. Most men and women here just don’t have sex from what I’ve seen I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:55 PM
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Engaging in hookup culture =/= “have had casual sex.” Hookup culture is different from just hooking up once or trying it out a few times The average lifetime number of sexual partners for women is 7 while the number of romantic partners is 2-3. Also 86% of college women report having at least one casual sex encounter so he’s not wrong Red pillers definitely exaggerate the number of women who engage in hookup culture, but young women aren’t puritans either. They’re definitely having a few casual …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:45 PM
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I don’t think non-promiscuous men and women care about their partner having a hoe phase anywhere near as much as this subreddit thinks I’ve seen former hoes and man-whores end up with people who’ve only had a few past partners
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:16 AM
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Ghosting someone isn’t playing hard to get. The FDS handbook literally has ghosting as a strategy. They’re not the first one’s to do that either Ghosting is usually what you described, but some women (and men) use ghosting to play hard to get. I can’t believe I have to explain these basic concepts lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:57 AM
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As a woman, with women friends, colleagues, and acquaintances, I’d imagine I’d see or hear of a woman doing the aforementioned scenarios. I see this reasoning a lot here, and regardless of how you feel about this particular topic it doesn’t actually mean anything when discussing ideas and concepts from a societal perspective I’ve never seen, known, or heard of a man abusing a woman in real life, but the takeaway from that isn’t that women are lying about it or it doesn’t exist. I just don’t asso…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:49 AM
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So it’s a made-up scenario because you personally never experienced this as a woman? Lmao Women ghosting men and expecting them to “put pressure” is not uncommon in dating as a straight man. Granted it doesn’t come from well adjusted women usually, but most men with dating experience have definitely come across this type of women before
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:27 AM
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I don’t think anybody is promoted to sleep around a lot when looking at the collective social society, even men despite what people say here Just saying we don’t have to follow two different dichotomies and move to the other extreme
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 07:18 PM
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it’s not about losing value as a person, member of society, employee, friend or whatever else. it’s about losing value as a single woman on the dating market first and foremost. I don’t disagree this happens, but in the context of this thread it’s not misogyny or incentives it And honestly, the frequency it happens gets way overstated. Most hoes (especially if they’re attractive) might get judged socially, but they don’t lose that many dating prospects If you’re busted and promiscuous it might g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 07:08 PM
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You never asked your partners what they liked about you? I don’t think men look for reassurance like that as much as women do in relationships. If she’s with me and shows me the love and care I want from her, then I don’t see why I should ask But if you’re struggling with dating, I do agree you should ask yourself why somebody would want to date you. This is true for both men and women for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:56 PM
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I never deeply thought about what I brought to the table even when I was single. I was definitely no “Chad” but enough decent looking women liked me so I was probably doing something right Why those women were interested? I’m not sure, but these should be questions directed towards women I can only guess they thought I looked good and at least tolerated my personality
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:45 PM
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a woman I never lost sleep over some girl choosing somebody else over me. There’s plenty of attractive women with good qualities out there to pick from lol But I do know whining about it on Reddit and expecting the world to change for me isn’t the solution for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:41 PM
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Not the majority yet, but young men are into skincare nowadays. What you’re saying is very out of touch for most men actively in the dating scene I don’t really care about ragebait social media content. It’s no different than those street manosphere interviews and it doesn’t tell us anything meaningful
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:23 PM
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I agree with the idea that a woman “losing value” as a person is negative and shouldn’t be promoted. Not just with women either, men who sleep around shouldn’t be shamed either On the flip side, it doesn’t mean we have to promote sleeping around or attack men or women who aren’t interested in dating somebody who has a lot of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 04:33 PM
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Hair products, makeup, clothing, good scents, etc. are not free Believe it or not men use hair products, buy clothes and wear nice cologne too; they just don’t complain about it nearly as much. Granted makeup is the only odd one out, but most women only “need” a light foundation, anything more is for other women I don’t care that women enjoy it when men pay for them, but there’s no reason to be disingenuous about it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 03:39 PM
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Well I can answer but that’s not the point of the conversation. It’s exactly the point of the topic lol If you’re engaging in casual sex then there’s obviously parts of it you enjoy and the men offering you something that’s bringing you back to their place Think critically about what those things are, and you’ll have the answer to your question
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:56 PM
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i’m one of them If casual sex is as unpleasant and bad as you’re describing, then why do you engage in it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:51 PM
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Yeah this thread is so weird. A lot of women have casual sex and nobody is forcing them; some like it and some don’t If casual sex is so bad for you then don’t engage in it. Society isn’t gonna change to placate you This is no different than men who complain about having to pay for dates. Women here (rightfully) tell them to find somebody who meets their needs or just stop dating and it’s equally true here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:25 PM
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The answer is the same when red pill dudes ask that I’m not here to convince anybody of my desirability. It’s cool if we vibe, but I’m not jumping through hoops or changing just for some poom poom lol This thread is flawed because the men having casual sex aren’t gonna change because they have enough options and are fine with being single. The desperate men willing to change every fiber of their being to please a woman aren’t having casual sex anyway You’re conflating two entirely different grou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:00 PM
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I’m asking what are you offering So “what do you bring to the table” lol I was able to have casual sex but I never had this silly mindset. The women that were interested did so because they thought I was hot and fun probably. Personally I don’t really know or care why women would want to Most men here don’t have casual sex and it has nothing to do with making a woman get off or not though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:19 PM
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Are you asking why women have casual sex? They do it because they like being with hot guys and women like sex too
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:03 PM
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Men who want casual sex, why women should want that? Because most women who have casual sex aren’t terminally online and bitter. They’re not gonna stop having sex to prove a point Or you can just stop having casual sex if you’re unfulfilled. It’s exactly like men who complain about having to pay for date, like nobody’s forcing you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:31 PM
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You’re not wrong. I’ve had random women grab my biceps at nightclubs and raves and it’s really weird As far as the creepiness scale goes, I think men are more extreme for sure. Me and my guy friends have stories of creepy women but none as extreme as some of my female friends. But as far as “light creepiness” frequency goes I definitely agree women are just as bad as men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:43 AM
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You just gave me PTSD with this image LOL The women that do this and starfish are the one’s who talk themselves up and swear they’re the best in bed too
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:36 PM
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Yeah I sometimes question if people here have actually had sex with some of these comments Men don’t just magically get off from putting it inside. We do the physical effort of thrusting, rhythm, changing positions, and sometimes picking her up If I’m doing all that and you’re just laying down moaning but not saying what gets you off, then of course there’s gonna be an orgasm gap Personally, I did go out of my way to ask what women liked even for casual sex. I wouldn’t fault other men for not go…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:02 PM
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There would be no orgasm gap if what you are saying was true. It’s the opposite conclusion actually. There would be a minimal orgasm gap if women weren’t worse than men in bed Men orgasm because they do all the work to get there. Most women who don’t orgasms happens because they’re almost always pillow princess who just lay there and don’t communicate lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 06:55 PM
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I cooked but that was honestly more or less my setup before my partner moved in with me lol She added wall decorations, lots of furniture, plants, LED lights, and all sorts of other things. It’s nice but I’d honestly be just as content with my old setup
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:19 PM
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folded quickly because there were not enough women on them. I’m not sure what this is supposed to prove regardless of how you feel on the topic Most dating apps have at least a 3:1 male to female ratio. Dating apps have always a huge problem of having enough women (less than a third of women have ever even downloaded a dating app let alone actively use it), and the problem gets exacerbated when you’re limiting it to a particular group of people and the app isn’t part of the big 3 The Blk dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:51 AM
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You’re treating men and women as people who want to have PIV at the same rate. Don’t have sex with men you’re not interested in and your problem is solved. If having sex is such an inconvenience then don’t it. It’s not on men to put in extra effort because women don’t want sex as often as men I know this subreddit is filled with introverted asexual women but believe it or not, some women enjoy sex and want it just as much as men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 09:52 PM
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You only think its lazy because PIV sex get’s you off. No, I think it’s lazy because men do all the work to get themselves off while most women are pillow princesses and don’t communicate what they want I’ve been with enough women to know the excuses in this thread doesn’t fly. I’ve had women tell me what they want, use their fingers, bring their rose, among other things Most women just don’t want to communicate what they want because it “ruins the experience” and want the guy to do all the work…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 09:19 PM
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it’s selfish for her to not want sex that doesn’t make her feel good I didn’t say that. Read my post again more slowly “Why would I have sex with anybody if they don’t do all the work to get me off” is just lazy and a little sad. Just use your words like an adult and communicate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:57 PM
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How does that relate to my post in any possible way? But no, men and women both have plenty of advantages in healthy relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:38 PM
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Nobody’s forcing you to engage in casual sex lol Men who barely know or care about you will obviously be less concerned about getting you off than a long term partner
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:13 PM
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If a woman is responsible for her own organism, why would she have sex with a man. Man, if women here actually see sex in such a sad and selfish way it makes the options here make so much more sense If I had a condition where I couldn’t get off I’d still have sex with my partner and get her off. It’s even sillier here since nothing is stopping women from getting off except communicating or just not being a pillow princess lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:57 PM
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To be fair, there’s definitely valid reasons why a woman isn’t in the mood. Just like women should communicate for their orgasms, men should communicate and ask why she’s feeling that way In both cases, if you’re communicating your needs and trying to work through it but nothing changes you should just move on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:55 PM
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If that’s how you interpreted it, I’m really not surprised why there’s an orgasm gap lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:35 PM
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Pillow princes part needs to be said louder. I’ve been with a lot of women when I was younger, and I’d say at least 90% of them were straight up pillow princesses. I can count on maybe both hands then number of women that weren’t lol I usually made the effort to go out of my way to ask them what gets them off. Sometimes they needed a toy, sometimes they need a specific angle. It was nice of me (and got them coming back), but it’s their responsibility foremost Iirc the orgasm gap greatly diminish…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:33 PM
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As a man, I’m responsible for finding a woman who meets my needs regardless of what they are If she’s being lazy or not doing her part, we would never say “both genders are responsible for this” but rather she’s at fault here, but I’m still responsible for finding somebody who meets my needs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:22 PM
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Would you agree that both parties have separate distinct roles in helping close the orgasm gap? I’m not sure how this is on men as a whole Maybe on an individual basis if the particular guy isn’t receptive of her, but it’s the job of the individual woman to communicate her needs like an adult or find somebody who will A lot of women just aren’t good at communicating and expect their partner to read their minds
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:12 PM
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Because there’s little to no social stigma for women who rely financially on their families or partners This part is definitely true, especially when you realize single women spend 116% of their income compared to single men’s 98% as someone mentioned here I’ve noticed a lot of younger women spend frivolously on trips and products they can’t afford, then get bailed out by their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:05 PM
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It’s a bit of a meme, but men’s apartments are usually minimalist while women’s tend to be decorated and decked out. Gay relationships spend the least money and lesbian relationships spend the most money It’s well documented that women are much bigger consumers than men are. I’m sure most men who live with their woman are well aware of this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 11:53 PM
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being intolerant of intolerance If you’re assuming somebody is hateful by basis of their political leaning alone, you’re by definition not tolerant I feel like that should be obvious regardless if it’s left or right
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:33 PM
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Research shows liberals are more emphatic to people and groups they care about, but they’re roughly just as intolerant to conservatives as conservatives are to liberals
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:00 PM
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If you’re a 10 woman you’d have to be insanely unlikable to turn a guy off. You can tell a lot of men here haven’t experienced what I’m describing with comments like these. A lot of women can feel that just by looks bro You don’t have to take my word for it — people have done plenty of experiments using pictures of men supermodels with disgusting bios about women and children. Hoards of attractive women enthusiastically swiped right and showed that level of visceral attraction immediately Some w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:48 AM
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Men feel visceral attraction in literally the exact same way That’s why differentiating them is redundant and is the point I’m making here. The only grand point she’s making is men feel visceral attraction to more women not that the attraction itself is any different
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:56 AM
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It’s definitely hard. Maybe it’s because a lot guys tend to be more emphatictic to women but it was never easy breaking women’s hearts I used to ghost and block them when I was a lot younger but I just got used to being honest and telling them I’m not interested. You obviously don’t owe them anything so you shouldn’t feel bad, but once you do it enough it gets a little better
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:52 AM
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Usually by a combination of personality, social and physical traits the guy has
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:45 AM
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You’re not missing out on being a fuckboy Way too many STD tests and being anxious about pregnancies or baby trapping. Sex was fun sometimes but building yourself up is a million times better for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:35 PM
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A lot of women here are the introverted, socially awkward types so you’re not gonna get good answers here The frat boy aesthetic is appealing to a lot of women because a lot of them are confident, socially calibrated and fun
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:23 PM
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I’m saying most women don’t look at a most and immediately think he’s hot id like to sleep with or date. Most women don’t share that same way of thinking about most guys, but most women share that same way of thinking about the guys they’re attracted to Hence why that raw attraction is similar for both men and women. Only differentiating factor being men are attracted to more women but the emotions are the same
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:38 PM
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Women absolutely have visceral emotions to men they’re attracted to lol It doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll jump them and have sex on the first date or anything, but women can have that same reaction When you look at most women’s ex boyfriends —they aren’t typically particularly attractive. Even the asssholes. Women regularly become enamored with guys who are regular looking. I don’t disagree with this, but whenever this topic comes up people ignore the fact that most of those women they’re desc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 06:49 PM
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Considering over a third of women in the US are obese and a lot of younger women aren’t socially calibrated (neither are a lot of young men tbf) I don’t think half of your list applies to most US women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 01:20 PM
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I’m lucky I grew up with a sister who taught me to be wary of women Just like men know better than anybody how aggressive we can sometimes be, women know better than anybody how manipulative women can sometimes be. You gotta be careful no matter who you deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 12:47 AM
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Agreed. There’s some very dangerous men and women out there We all know men are more dangerous physically, but women are just as destructive in other ways
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 12:08 AM
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That’s not a world or society, those are individual examples I feel like it should be extremely obvious to anybody reading that, but I meant there won’t be a time where women are the overwhelming sole breadwinner like men were in say the 1950s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 10:56 PM
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Will it just play out in women changing their roles to become the main/single earner for a household, or just play out in less and less women getting into relationships and they start to out earn men more and more? We will never live a world where women are the sole breadwinner lol The gap between young men and young women will stagnant eventually and so will relationships. Women will just enter relationships later in life (which already seems to be the case) when men catch up
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:14 PM
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I’ve been on first dates with many women who claim they’re progressive and want 50/50 financially but still wanted men to pay for dates because it makes them feel good I’d wager most men who date a lot had at least a few experiences of this so I’m not sure why you’re acting like this is a novel concept lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:50 PM
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That makes this clip even more ridiculous since these men aren’t rejecting her for looks so it has nothing to do with them being superficial lmao I think there is a point to be made how not being nonchalant is looked down upon a lot more with younger generations (and women are just as guilty here), but it’s definitely not a gendered thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:27 PM
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This has the same energy as “women are overlooking good guys for assholes” lol This is not a thing outside of shallow TikTok game shows. Men and women just like dating attractive people not necessarily bimbos or assholes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:11 PM
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This is just women’s version of men’s red pill rage bait content lol These guys clearly just weren’t attracted to her so they weren’t interested. If an unattractive dude was rambling like that in a room full of women they’d be equally disinterested This short TikTok isn’t representative of anything it’s just slop like those street interviews with women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:52 PM
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Agreed, and it’s not necessarily even looks either for a lot of these guys either. Some of the guys that bring women back to their dorms were just slightly above average dudes too Women’s advice for men tends to be in their best interest and gives them more relative power (and men do the same for women tbf). Frat guys might tell you they’re successful by being a little pushy or make a few off-colored jokes or comments for example, but you’ll never catch a woman giving men that advice
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:56 PM
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I think both genders should try to understand each other for sure, but sympathy when it comes to your sexless life is kinda weak ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:41 PM
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This subreddit makes a lot more sense when you realize most of the men (and women) here have daddy issues
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:36 PM
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Yeah joining a frat was a crazy experience. It definitely changed my perception of women (and people in general honestly) for the better I’d definitely recommend socially awkward men to go to at least one or two frat parties
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:33 PM
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Oh yeah, I definitely agree I’d say it is slightly harder for women to loose weight because of biology, but other than that the ideal female physique is objectively much easier to obtain (and maintain) than the current ideal male physique
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:52 PM
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I used to be a huge gym rat and I always suggested my female friends work on arms more instead of just legs, back and cardio, but they were scared they’d magically get huge biceps and look “too muscular” from a few bi/tri exercises lol It’s one of the many areas where men and women are clueless when it comes to the other’s gender specific circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:47 PM
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It’s hard because most quality women get sniped from the dating market crazy fast. Most of the women in my social circles were rarely single for long when they started looking I’m sure it’s the true for men to an extent as well, but I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:41 PM
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I think you’re underestimating the number of men who don’t care about a woman being promiscuous or not. Only ugly promiscuous women might struggle, but I promise you attractive hoes are not struggling to land a guy I’m friends with a few fairly attractive former hoes and they have no shortage of average guys lining up to wife them up I understand why the perception is there since most promiscuous men tend to be attractive and charming so they don’t struggle finding relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:32 PM
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Okay then how is being penetrated by “multiple penises” masculine? You’re putting words in my mouth, I never said that. But sleeping around is probably more masculine Getting passed around and sleeping with a lot of different men is one of the least feminine things you can do. If you think a guy getting bent over is “the least masculine thing you can do” you should be understanding by men being turned off by women doing “one of the least feminine things you can do” It’s just being logically cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:06 PM
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I never said being penetrated with a penis is masculine, but being penetrated by multiple different men and sleeping around definitely is not feminine behavior either how do you know these are the same people? Last I checked, over 75% of women said they’d never date a bisexual guy. It’s be a little disingenuous to pretend that huge number doesn’t include a fair chunk of progressive, sex positive women I also know progressive women who are grossed out by bisexual men in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:51 PM
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Most women want masculine men and I think letting another man bend you over and fuck you is pretty much the least masculine thing you can do lol I can definitely understand this visceral reaction, but I don’t get how these same folks are judgmental about men being grossed out by women who get bent over and filled up by a lot of different men It’s not all that feminine either lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:40 PM
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When I was single I approached casual sex similar to what you’re describing so we’re in agreement there. It’s a valid comparison for those kind of men, but I can also acknowledge that most men aren’t capable of casual sex, while any woman with a pulse can I definitely don’t think escorts are a valid comparison, but everything except the sex itself is fundamentally different
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:27 PM
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Men being screwed by a bunch of women is good or neutral. You’ve been spending too much time on the internet. Studies consistently show women are just as judgmental about men that sleep around than men are about women, if not slightly more so As for your question, it feels like both men and women are grossed out by the idea of their partner getting piped down by a lot of different men. It’s a big reason why women have such a large aversion to bisexual men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:54 PM
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I don’t agree with OP, but you’re only comparing outcome not the entire picture How men and women approach casual sex are fundamentally very different
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:52 PM
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I’ll preface by saying nobody knows for sure what’ll happen in 40 years obviously, but housing pricing decreasing doesn’t trigger a recession in itself. It tends be a symptom of one but not the cause It’s always possible things can be worse in the future and unemployment can become an issue, but if conditions stay relatively similar to now I think housing will be a far less concern for the next generation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:29 AM
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Your children probably aren’t gonna be able to afford a house. Housing market will probably be better in 40 years with less people having children since a lot more old people will die in their homes with nobody to pass it down too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:05 AM
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If they’d be able to be a bad boy they’d already have done it Doubt it. Most incels have no spine when it comes to women A lot of people here think incels are assholes to women but I guarantee you most of them have never told a woman “no” in their lives lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:57 AM
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Assuming she comes up with this standard for all men she’s dating, and she wants to at least eventually end up in a serious relationship. It’s a hard to question to answer because women have different standards for how much they’re interested, and it also depends on how good the women is at vetting. Some women can spot red and green flags immediately, but it can take other women much, much longer Some women are also very sexual and might want to have early to test compatibility for future relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:27 PM
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Yeah I genuinely don’t see the issue Men should stop wasting their time with low effort or uninterested women and women don’t get bothered by guys they’re not interested in. Sounds like a win-win for everybody
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:51 PM
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But the question that matters is: what does the sexism towards men actually do? So just to be clear, you’re saying it’s okay to spread hatred and venom as long as long as it can’t physically affect the person? Man, some of the women here really are just as gross as the men they criticize. The lack of empathy here just proves my point show me the hated of women The tea app had women doxing men, sharing intimate details like dick size, saying unhinged things about men that you’d find on 4Chan, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:56 PM
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Implications always matter. Now it makes a lot more sense that you don’t believe misandry is a thing from the other thread since you don’t think women can be sexist to men lol Also the implications behind those words are exactly the same — to spread hatred and radicalize people. Women are no less susceptible this than men are Arguing for one-sided sexism because less than 1% of men are violent is just really goofy, full stop
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:28 PM
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My partner was raised in Ukraine and she told me about a family friend literally being pulled from his home and was killed in battle. A few months later his wife and daughter managed to escape to Germany and are living fine enough off their programs It always makes me roll my eyes when women who claim they care about bodily autonomy while downplaying the draft
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:11 PM
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It’s not worth it. Anybody that says “can you give me examples of misogyny or misandry” doesn’t believe it’s real and nothing will change their minds
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:28 PM
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White women are also by far the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action even in the current day lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:19 PM
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If what I’m saying describes you then it not an altruistic way of thinking, sorry I’ve read the science, you’re misrepresenting the findings. Porn addiction can be bad for the brain but healthy porn usage consistently shows no longterm effects in men
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:32 AM
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If the problem feminists had with porn actually was trafficking, they’d be doing a lot more to combat the actual trafficking instead of just saying how porn is the worse thing to have ever happened. Not to mention the vast majority of them have iPhones, drink coffee, and wear shoes that all came from borderline slave labor lol It was always about women just finding porn and their consumers gross
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:07 AM
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Maybe I didn’t make it clear enough, but you can’t come to any sort of resolution without understanding each other at the bare minimum As this very thread (and certain other communities) indicates, a lot of women don’t believe men face misandry. Both sides would have to acknowledge the other’s struggles to even begin to move past the gender war If your takeaway from my post was that only misandry exists or that women are the sole cause then I can’t help you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:24 AM
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Always hear about this #killallmen example, but curious if you’re ever peeped in on incel, redpill, or gamer bro chats Millions of private DMs were leaked on the Tea app were leaked some time ago, and there’s countless women saying pretty abhorrent things about men that wouldn’t be out of place on 4Chan There’s plenty of other smaller “pink pill” communities that spread hatred towards men. A lot of women only spaces have gotten just as toxic as men’s I’m not denying some of the communities you’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:07 AM
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Man, and here I almost thought women actually cared about bodily autonomy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:53 AM
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Do you mean you really took the whole “Kill All Men” thing to heart 10 years back? KillAllMen hitting the top of trending on Twitter a few years ago was obviously a very bad sign. I’d say the same if #RevokeThe19th hit trending Instead of downplaying sexism or telling men (or women) to suck it up, maybe we should be addressing why so many men and women are being radicalized online
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:02 AM
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It’s a weird discussion to have because whenever men discuss their feelings of the increased animosity towards men and misandry in recent years, we’re always told it’s all in our heads. Somehow women understand what men are going through better than men lol Luckily the gender war epidemic is mainly an online phenomenon so far, but I’d be lying if I didn’t see more sexism and genuine hate creep up from both sides even in real life lately
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:49 AM
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Married women with children report being less happy but more fulfilled than married women without children Intuitively, the data makes sense with marriage rates being at an all-time low. Happily married men and women will obviously be happier than being single, so most couples getting married now will naturally report higher happiness rates
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:58 PM
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Your article is over 6 years old Recent GSS results from the last few years consistently show married women from ages 18-55 are the happiest demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:17 PM
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I was asking if there was additional context because Tupac saying he was too nice doesn’t intrinsically mean he was being corny. There isn’t more to it so you did answer my question And for the record, pointing out how hood girlies expect you to be more rough with them only substantiates his point about nice guys lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:46 PM
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If you treat women like shit (not saying he does), treating them kindly would be considered “extra” especially in the 80s hood. It’s relative not absolute language I knew plenty of hood dudes (and women) who’d call you mad corny just for giving their girl flowers lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:26 PM
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Yes he was being “extra extra extra” and it was corny Huh? Is there any additional context I’m missing or is this just pure conjecture? I don’t disagree women hate overly nice guys since most women want a guy who can tell her no, but we don’t what level of niceness Tupac was showing them so filling in the blanks like this is kinda pointless
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:13 PM
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Yeah it’s unfortunately a common thing, particularly with younger folks like you described I personally don’t have a huge problem with it when it comes to dating, mainly because I’m slightly traditional and want that in a partner so it’s only fair I uphold my part It’s when friends start expecting me to pay for them and it honestly makes me want to stop being friends with them (same for guy friends too). I’d imagine women get a similar gross feeling when their guy friends start making moves on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:41 PM
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I had a few friends that we use to take turns paying for each other As I’m sure you know, there’s a pretty big difference between that and looking at the other person expecting them to pay when the bill comes The former is good if both parties consent to It, but the latter is just entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:32 PM
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Probably not the exact same folks, but it’d be silly to pretend there’s not a decent overlap I know women who never swiped on the stereotypical “gigachads” because they thought they were probably assholes so it’s obviously not a strict rule. They still only swiped on conventionally attractive men with their own features and quirks So “same men” is probably wrong, but “mainly attractive men but not necessarily from the same pool” is a lot more accurate. Either way, dating apps are not the move fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:49 PM
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I don’t know about 80/20 rule specifically, but dating app data does consistently show women are extremely selective about who they swipe on Even the Hinge CEO confirmed this in a podcast interview so I’m not sure how this is even debatable Women aren’t as picky in real life, but when it comes to dating apps specifically it’s pretty true
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:33 PM
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Yeah it is the same honestly Women having trust issues because of their ex is no different than guys who try to “control” their girlfriend because his ex cheated on him I’m sympathetic to both, but it’s also not my problem. I know women feel the same way about those kind of guys so it’s weird this topic is so contentious
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:29 PM
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Agreed, most guys with female friends have had at least a few experiences where the woman expected the man to pay for outings. It’s not something women here can understand since it’s not a gender expectation they ever deal with In those cases I just respectfully told her I’m not going to and if she got upset over it I just dropped her from my life. Maybe she labeled me as a “nice guy” to her friends but I don’t think we should care as guys
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:50 PM
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I think there’s healthy and unhealthy ways to process baggage. It seems like one side in this discussion is interpreting the baggage as the woman having unresolved trust or intimacy issues from their ex and putting it on their next partner, while the other side is interpreting it as the woman learning from the experience in a healthy way and setting respectable boundaries I think everybody can agree the former is bad while the latter is good, and that a lot of people with baggage can fall into e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:43 PM
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I don’t think you actually disagree with me. Well, I’ve already said your partner should add to your life so that concept has never been the point of contention That mindset can be healthy or be done in a negative, transactional way. If your partner makes it known you have to make their life better for it to work, it’s probably toxic. It should happen naturally I don’t think you even disagree with me here either. If you’re not actively, consciously thinking about it I don’t consider it a mindset…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:50 PM
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Joy Bringing joy isn’t a tangible benefit and is not what OP is describing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:27 PM
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Where did OP say she says this to them? No, I said to avoid people who say this. How else would you know if someone you’re talking to has this mentality? She’s simply stating it’s a fair standard. It’s clearly a standard you also have.. I don’t know about you, but I don’t enter relationships with the mindset of “this person has to improve my life” or “being this woman’s husband is a privilege for her” lol I enter relationships thinking “I’m fine being single, but I want somebody I enjoy being ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:19 PM
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Keeping score and advocating for yourself when you feel your partner isn’t doing their share are two mutually exclusive things Fairness and relatively equal share is good, but people entering a relationship with the expressed intent of “this person has to make my life tangibly better” tend to start bean counting off the bat There’s been times where my partner communicated with me she feels like something is unfair, and there’s been times where I told her I feel like there’s an uneven load. If ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:09 PM
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Crazy how women here say men view relationships transactionally but also keep score lol Pink and red pill really are two sides of the same coin
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:02 PM
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Yes, I add to my partner’s life and she adds to my life. I feel like it should be obvious to socially calibrated people, but that’s not something you ever say to your partner or actively think about If your friend went on a date and told you a guy said “I have a lot going on so you need to improve my life in a tangible way” you’d (rightfully) tell her to run. It’s a huge red flag for either gender and gives off a sense of entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:41 PM
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Guys, avoid women with this mentality. They view marriage as a business transaction and not a lifelong partnership. Agreed. If any woman told me “you have to improve my life” I’d leave her ass in a heartbeat lmao Let them stay single, there’s plenty of normal well adjusted women out there
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:12 PM
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Trump won by fairly thin margins in swing states Elections have been very close since 2016 and every advantage can completely swing it in either direction. If young men were voting Dems at the same high rates they were in the Obama era there’s a good chance Harris wins Not to say that’s the biggest or only factor, but in tight elections you need every advantage you can get
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:06 PM
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If you want to win, you should be trying to gain as many different demographics without alienating your core principles A lot of Republican values will inherently alienate young women, but you’re handicapping yourself by not appealing to young men Losing elections and political power just to dunk on young men online is a little goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:48 PM
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Nah that energy from Newsom is definitely good, but you have to use it for momentum not solely run on it like Trump did in his 2016 campaign. Democrats are looked at very unfavorably right now, and breathing new life into the party is needed before you work on messaging So far Newsom is polling very well as a 2028 candidate, but it’s way too early for him to start pushing messaging to appeal to those working class swing state voters. Candidates don’t start that until a year before elections at e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:18 PM
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Newsom is channeling left MAGA energy on Twitter right now and it’s pretty hilarious ngl. He could be a pretty good candidate to re-energize the base, and he’s not nearly as crazy as leftists either I’ve always voted Dem all my life, but I’m at a point where I’m not really motivated to vote anymore if Trump is off the ballot honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:00 PM
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There’s more to politics than healthcare lol It also depends which European countries specifically you’re talking about, but overall Bernie Sanders would absolutely be left in in most European political parties
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:51 PM
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but there is clearly a pretty quiet majority who do not feel like either end of the political spectrum has anything to offer them. Yeah this is mostly spot on Polls consistently show young men are being soured on Trump, but polls are also consistently showing that young men are simultaneously completely turned off from the Democratic Party. They’re very disillusioned by both sides There’s a huge opportunity to win over young men here, but Republicans only have run someone who isn’t a compete buf…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:45 PM
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I feel it’s only excusable with couples that started off casually as FWBs or hookups before it organically developed into something more If you’re actually going on dates with romantic prospects in mind it’s really gross. I couldn’t imagine calling over my ex-FWB and piping her down when I was in the talking phase with my current partner lol It just feels so disrespectful
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:45 PM
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Kinda have to agree I remember somebody linking a video of a man supposedly being an asshole to his woman, and it was literally just him being assertive and telling her no. Bro didn’t even raise his voice against her lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:29 AM
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Because men aren’t interested in the same hobbies as women and joining their clubs it means they’re not trying? That’s a really weird take
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:16 AM
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You need enough people to support the economy (young people spend far more than the elderly), enough people to take care of the elderly, and to pay into social security We also don’t know if AI will ever be capable of completely substituting low skilled jobs, and with fewer people AI innovation will slow down. Considering people 50-100 years ago overwhelmingly believed we’d be driving flying cars by now I don’t think that’s a safe assumption to make And even in the best case scenario that AI cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:40 PM
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I think every young person is valuable In the context of declining birth rates, it’s a quantity not quality necessity. It doesn’t matter how skilled your workers are if you don’t have enough people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:48 PM
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People worried about birth rates are saying we need a larger percentage of young to old ratio or our society will collapse in our current structure Taking care of somebody else’s child has no impact on the birth rate issue
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:25 PM
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I’m not particularly worried about declining birth rates, but what does being worried about declining birth rates have literally anything to do with taking care of another man’s child lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:10 PM
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Definitely. It sucks to hear, but most of the men and women I see checking out of the dating scene tend to be undesirable They always existed but social media just amplified their voices
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:03 PM
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Art classes, bookclubs and most creative activities tend to be female dominated, bars, gyms and raves are split, but gyms, running groups, and most athletic activities with both genders tend to be male dominated GenZ men and women are going out a lot less across the board, but I don’t disagree women tend to proportionately go out more than men but the overall percentage is much lower than previous generations I think there’s enough people out there that most people can find their special someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:51 PM
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To be fair there’s less men and women going outside and doing social activities. If there’s less house parties and fewer social events it’s gonna be harder to meet people A lot of GenZ women’s daily routine is going to work, doomscrolling on TikTok for hours and maybe hit the gym for a bit. Only way you can meet a lot of these women now is on dating apps. It’s definitely not impossible but I can emphasize with it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:30 PM
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That’s a weird thing to say He didn’t even say if the guy was actively or passively looking for sex. He could also be enjoying the single life and waiting for the perfect girl
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:47 AM
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Almost every man isn’t capable of being a top 10% man. I do agree most men can theoretically looksmax and develop themselves into being appealing to a lot of women It takes a lot of time, resources and effort whereas some men are just born with it, but it’s possible
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:54 PM
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Later the guy finds out the gal was sleeping with other men while they were in the talking phase. Guy claims she cheated and breaks up with her. I don’t know about cheating necessarily, but that’s pretty gross tbh Imagine if your boyfriend was going home after your 3rd or 4th date and piping other women. Man or woman that’s really nasty, but maybe I’m just old fashioned
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:41 PM
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With women, I think this is the reason for the singleness discrepancy in the Pew research Pew research also concluded that less young women want serious relationships than young men so I’m not sure if this is the correct conclusion I agree you should confirm your relationship status and not assume anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:12 PM
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I think the portrayal is baked in lived perception. Under your framing, the WAW effect in media can also based on lived perception and not reality like you’re pushing Boys are taught to never put their hands on girls and to treat women extra delicately from a young age and to “win” them over when they’re older, among other things If you believe women are portrayed as more emotional and incompetent possibly because of social reasons instead of reality, then naturally you’d agree the WAW exists po…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:29 PM
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What? You can absolutely be superficial about personality qualities just like looks If I wanted a stereotypical 1950s submissive housewife that doesn’t talk back that would be very superficial and shallow. Also this is a weird strawman anyway. NT men being more likely to date autistic women doesn’t mean they’re only dating them for their looks. It’s a really silly take
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 06:45 PM
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I don’t think anything will change your mind and that’s fine Do you believe the common media portrayal of women being more emotional and less effective leaders than men are reflective of real life experiences too? I don’t for the reasons I explained, but just curious if you’re logically consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 06:34 PM
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Wouldn’t the NT man not caring about her girl being autistic be less superficial here lol Women care just as much as men about looks when selecting a partner, but men aren’t nearly as picky with personality quirks. I don’t know I’d call that superficial though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 06:22 PM
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Where are you basing this from if not forums? I know this subreddit is filled with old and jaded folks, but young women definitely care a lot about the preferences of guys they’re interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 05:46 PM
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because it happens and is prevalent in real life. I just explained why it was prevalent, you just ignored it for your own interpretation It comes from outdated gender norms from a time where it was the man’s job to protect women and when women had to be the nurturing caregivers — hence why they were portrayed as the more virtuous gender in literature just like in real life at the time Men haven’t needed to protect and save women for decades now, but it’s still omnipresent in literature, movies a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 04:55 PM
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Huh? You’re using the WAW perception to explain why people have a more visceral reaction to men doing the exact same crimes as women, and that feeds into the WAW perception You see where the issue is, right? Your logic is circular. Me disagreeing with you or not doesn’t break your loop
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 04:09 PM
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That’s circular reasoning Why are we more bothered by men committing visceral acts like cheating and violence like abuse than women doing the same? You can’t use WAW to rationalize that perception while also using it as a contributing factor Here’s a comment You’re misinterpreting him a little but I’m not sure what’s the point of this. I disagree with him obviously, but I’ve had women tell me crazy stuff here like men can’t ever be trusted and women are the superior gender lol I don’t think this…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:59 PM
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I’m not ignoring it. If you’re not disputing that this is almost omnipresent in media we consume from a young age, I’m not sure what’s the purpose of this discussion? It should be obvious that it’s the most prevalent factor Are you asking why women are portrayed as the better sex in media? Because that’s been present in literature dating back centuries, largely due to gender norms
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:49 PM
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You’re not wrong, but to OP’s point it’s all about perception Statistically, women are just as abusive and cheat just as much as men when looking at raw data. However, If you asked 100 random people in real life (not in this sub) the vast majority will definitely say men are guilty far more than women The question is, where does this perception come from despite it not being true?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:45 PM
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There’s probably a dozen of contributing factors and I don’t necessarily disagree some of these play a factor, but you’re ignoring the single and by far the most obvious factor: women are just portrayed as better and more “just” in everyday media We’ve all grown up watching and reading countless stories of men risking their lives to save women and gain their attention. I know women here will disagree with me for obvious reasons, but we’re also taught to specifically protect women from a young ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:32 PM
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Disagree, when I was single I got a lot of compliments from women on my huge arms all the time. It was almost always the first thing women noticed and liked about me I got more unsolicited compliments from other men, but women interested in me usually complimented my physique pretty often
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:22 PM
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1/3 of GenZ women are bisexual, but over 85% of bisexual women end up with a man I’m sure everybody knows, but most bisexual young women just want to cuddle and makeout with other women, not be in longterm relationships with them Women dating other women is not making up a substantive difference of the relationship gap
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:03 PM
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You realize there’s a massive spectrum between average guys and 6’3 chads right? An 8 can hook up with a bigger woman (4 or 5) because it’s less effort than hooking up with other 8s. Average or slightly above average guys can hookup with ugly or below average women I’m saying those ugly women/above average men pairings should be obvious too
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 09:57 PM
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I’ve noticed lot of men and women in this sub are introverted and not the best social skills so they don’t know how to make small talk like that and build off it I’m definitely no social butterfly but I can talk to my nieces and nephews, college students, and older folks pretty easy. You just have to understand conversation structure and have a genuine interest
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:21 PM
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I’ve had my mind changed on specific topics from both blue and red pillers, but not my overall world view in the slightest This subreddit is a huge echo chamber and a lot of the consensus opinions from both men and women here are (fortunately) not common in the real world I also don’t put effort trying to challenge people because the vast majority of men and women aren’t here to have their viewpoints challenged. No amount of data or reasoning will change their opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:00 PM
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Never quite gone up to 40s, but from my experience with late 30s women were them either being single moms with a lot of baggage or well adjusted but just looking for casual sex with little in between
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:12 PM
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But for the most part, the majority of people are pretty well balanced when it comes to partner selection. I agree most couples are relatively balanced, and most studies agree with this His point is a man who’s an 8 probably wouldn’t settle down with a 5 or 6, but he’d probably hookup with one. When I used to go out a lot, I knew plenty of guys who hooked up with bigger or relativity less attractive women because it’s much easier than hooking up with a woman his own league. Sometimes you just wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:04 PM
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It’s not entirely wrong, but it just has the connotation that women will leave and cheat when it’s convenient. Some women are like that for sure but it’s not a good message to make Man vs bear is another good comparison where the message is somewhat valid (women have an extra layer of fear with men), but it gets twisted because it’s comparing men to wild animals. Some men are like that obviously, but neither are good messages to broadcast
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:45 PM
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Also, over 80% of these same self-identified bisexual women end up with a man A quarter of GenZ women identify as bisexual, but the large majority of them are bi in that they like to kiss and makeout with other women, not enter longterm relationships with them Women dating other women aren’t making up a statistical significant percentage; that perspective is being skewed because of echo chambers like Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:01 AM
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I’m sure anybody who goes to the gym a lot sees those gym rats with bigger girls, and those girls treat those guys like kings lol So yeah, both men and women both have different rules for people they’re attracted to. It’s just a lot more present for women because they’re not attracted to a lot of men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:26 PM
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I don’t entirely disagree, but most goth girls aren’t going to date short, ugly, balding goth guys lol Just because women have a very specific type doesn’t mean they compromise on qualities they’re attracted to. It’s like gamer girls who say they’re into gamer guys, but the gamer guys are still relatively attractive independent of his hobby I don’t necessarily agree that women are only attracted to the top 20% of men though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:13 PM
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Yeah, women are pretty honest about swiping left or rejecting the large majority of men that approach them. There’s nothing wrong with that, it just kinda is what is This space is the only place I see women virtue signaling to prove a point for whatever reason
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 04:10 PM
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It’s only a controversial claim on this subreddit and social media, most women in real life will admit they’re very picky
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:12 PM
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Agreed. It obviously doesn’t mean women “secretly” want to be tradwives since there’s literally dozens of other factors, but I’ve only seen people here bring up the crazy high percentage of single women on antidepressants when someone says women are doing a lot better than men Both genders have their own struggles, and both are struggling and succeeding in different ways
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:09 PM
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what do men not get? Like I just explained, men and women have the same level of control until conception, but women get an extra mulligan to have nothing to do with the baby due to biology. Paper abortion would in theory level that out and make both genders much happier You keep trying to engage in this discussion from solely a biology/legal perspective which is not the point at all
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:59 PM
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both genders should have the right to control pregnancy so long as their body is involved. that’s kind of the whole basis for why abortion should be legal. You're conflating two different arguments being made here One is the legal argument; should abortion be protected since it's their body? I'd say yes, but every state has their own laws and interpret it differently. It has the extra unintended benefit for women since they have a lot more freedom since conception because of biology OP isn't mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:20 AM
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I’m all for paper abortions as long as the man also has to be sterilized as part of the paper abortion. The risk of minor complications for abortions in the US is 1%. The risk of major complications in the US is way less than 1% Sounds like your idea is solely to punish men instead of being implemented for any fairness lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:13 AM
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You know what, I’m convinced Maybe the pro-life folks are right after all with your simple, 100% effective solution for men and women to avoid pregnancy. Not like accidents ever happen anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:25 AM
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I’m pro-choice, but it’s always funny how women here turn into staunch pro-lifers and use their exact arguments when paper abortions are discussed lol “Just be abstinent if you’re worried about pregnancy” applies to women just as much as it does men here
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:03 AM
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So why do women say “be her friend first?” I’ve only seen this from socially awkward women on Reddit lol I do think it’s good advice for men to have more female friends for sure, but you don’t have to be friends with the large majority of women before you date them Most women know if they want to date you or not within minutes of meeting you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:54 PM
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Nobody voted for RvW to be overturned, we’re in by far the safest period of history and even the Red Pill aren’t advocating for murdering women so this is a really unhinged comment
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:19 PM
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My guy said “women are saying this 24/7”. Over a million leaked DMs from women on the Tea app were leaked some time ago, and there’s literal thousands of examples of women saying extremely spiteful rhetoric like this towards men There’s a lot of hateful women on the internet just like there’s a lot of hateful men. Not saying there aren’t sexist figures in TRP, but I’m not sure how this proves anything
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:33 PM
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Where? I literally had a woman here tell me a few days ago that men can’t be trusted because they’ll always cheat I’m very critical of the red pill but this is a silly point because there’s men and women with warped views of the other gender on both sides
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:19 PM
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It’s pretty amazing. I don’t have to communicate much tho. To be fair, I think there’s a fine line between communicating a lot and communicating nothing; the former screams incompatible to me But I never understood the appeal of that. It feels like another form of princess treatment (it seemed to be the type of women who pushed it), or is there another reason? Not shaming just genuinely curious
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:28 PM
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They’re saying they want a guy that magically knows exactly what they want without communicating If you’re communicating that’s a normal relationship, but that’s very explicitly what they’re not saying lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:20 PM
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Luckily the women in my social circle are normal and well adjusted so I’ve haven’t heard of that much in real life, but I don’t doubt it’s a thing The number of grown ass women on dating apps that gossip like children, can’t communicate, and play mind games were unbelievable. And to be fair, I’m sure a lot more men are like that too
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:10 PM
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I’ve noticed a lot more women pushing for the ideal man that “does what I want without having to communicate” or adopting the ‘if he wanted to he would’ mindset The vast majority of them I see online are chronically single, but it’s interesting to see nonetheless lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:56 PM
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I feel like most people have a few standard jokes, stories and lines. Not even just for dating but in general Most of the time, what you say should be organic or it can come across as inauthentic
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:48 PM
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Just because a problem doesn’t have an easy solution doesn’t magically make the problem nonexistent More tax incentives reserved for people have with children among other social benefits is a good start
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 10:08 PM
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I’m sure there exists at least one woman in history that way but I’m sure if you ask literally any man who’d confidently say their girl is very attracted to him, they’d say no Any woman (or man) that really likes you will make it easy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:38 PM
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Nah, women don’t “demand” expensive gifts from men they feel very attracted to,
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:28 PM
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I don’t think the women marrying ugly rich men were all that happy even in the past. They coped with it because they had to eat, but I don’t think they were attracted to them at all
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:39 PM
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No amount of money can make up for a lack of physical attraction 55% of married men are the primary breadwinner and 29% make roughly the same as their wife. So statistically, the answer for most women is roughly the same for more for a LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:27 PM
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I’m not surprised women have caught up with men in cheating. The number of women with boyfriends I’ve seen cheat back in college dorms were honestly staggering I’d imagine social media played a big role in the “infidelity gap” being closed too
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:18 PM
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You can be lovable and still struggle to find a relationship. There’s virtuous men and women who are single so I’m not sure what you’re getting at with this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:24 PM
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for that a man has to be lovable. And if he is he wouldn’t have an issue with relationship. This is a textbook example of just world fallacy lol You can be likable, go 50/50 on everything and women can still not be interested with how oversaturated the dating market is with those men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:12 PM
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Agreed. If you genuinely love your partner, romantic love just hits way harder than friendship affection It’s a hard discussion to have because you either have that romantic feeling or you don’t, and a lot of women don’t with their partners
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:37 PM
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Agreed. Statistically, at least a few handful of the women you see virtue signaling in this sub are cheaters or abusers, but nobody will ever say they’re anything but a good person on the internet Same deal with the men here who say they’re good people being overlooked
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:27 PM
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What’s good in men you described? They love to go 50/50 which is just well not making her life harder, nor better. If you look at relationships purely from a transactional perspective, sure Now, if you actually love your partner and they don’t make your life any harder with chores or financial obligations, they will just make you day-to-day life happier. That’s a pretty big net positive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:16 PM
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Sounds like a man doesn’t enjoy sex if he complains about all the work to be honest. This mindset is why so many women are godawful in bed lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:11 PM
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It’s way more expensive to hire a surrogate than to get sperm at a sperm bank Do you know why they’re more expensive? Because surrogate mothers carry and birth the child for this stranger. You’re paying for just the sperm, but for surrogate mothers you’re paying for the entire pregnancy as a 24/7 job service Okay and there are more men who produce sperm There’s roughly an equal number of men to women on this planet. But even if men far outnumbered women, if there’s 3 billion other women who can …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:05 PM
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Most men don’t want to date hoes and most women don’t to date fuckboys so this isn’t surprising tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:48 PM
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Agreed. It’s genuinely bizarre how women here say they don’t have to justify their preferences to men here (which I agree with), yet men have to justify their preferences when it comes to body count or not wanting hairy women lol I used to have a fair bit of fun during my party days but I made a conscious effort to avoid promiscuous women after settling down. I found the perfect woman and I’m perfectly content with my decision
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:39 PM
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There’s a difference between putting your best foot forward and rewriting entire facets of your personality If you’re a toxic asshole masquerading as a loving caring person there will always be moments where the mask slips. In the honeymoon period, it’s just much harder to see that in people you’re attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:38 PM
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They’re caring, funny, ambitious, or otherwise appealing. It’s only over time that incompatibilities or toxic behaviors show up. Most men aren’t these machiavellian schemers. These qualities and traits were always present I agree most women aren’t necessarily attracted to bad men, but a lot of women will look past bad qualities in the honeymoon period if the man is attractive enough There’s a reason women are actually really good at sussing out bitter ugly men but not toxic attractive men, and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:20 PM
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I hate Andrew Tate, but he’s pulled women way more attractive than at least 99% of the women here long before he got into the camgirl business lol They weren’t well adjusted women, but they absolutely loved his confidence and abrasiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:02 PM
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I don’t think Will Ferrell is unattractive, but just because there’s ugly famous comedians it doesn’t contradict the idea. They could theoretically be even funnier if they were attractive so it’s a non-argument But generally, if a woman finds you attractive she’ll laugh at your jokes a lot more
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:48 PM
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You’re a lot funnier to women when you’re attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:40 PM
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So you still acknowledge the point of the OP the women’s value on is already there No, I don’t think women get additional value just for being able to get pregnant. Or if there’s any added value it’s extremely minimal You can’t use the supply and demand argument for sperm banks while ignoring the fact that over 3 billion women can get pregnant If there’s a point system, good looks and financial stability would be worth a 200 points while being able to get pregnant might be worth 5 points (arbitr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:37 PM
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Just to give additional context Women are equally likely to cheat in their 20s, marginally less likely to cheat in their 30s, then men start gradually taking over into their 40s and later years
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:50 PM
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How many men are out there having secret families lol I’m not gonna pretend like paternity fraud is anywhere near as common as red pillers make it, but there’s obviously way more women cheating than men having secret families when the vast majority of men can barely afford one lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:45 PM
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Definitely agree. Men do this too — if you’re attractive enough a lot of your worse qualities will be ignored or perceived in a positive light I’m much better now, but when I was younger I was a lot less emotionally available and cocky but a lot of women described my red flag qualities as “mysterious” and “confident” There’s definitely ugly guys with great personalities but you have so much less leeway
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:41 PM
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I never understood why people here get so hung up on the word. The way it’s being in discussions is clearly that women have sex with guys that meet their standards and behavior I probably wouldn’t use reward to describe it but derailing the discussion because of semantics was always really goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:30 PM
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Gonna have to hard disagree with the people here saying the bars. It’s good for fun and improving your social skills, but you’re not gonna meet your wife there Some good options are volunteering, libraries or bookstores, malls and parks. Mutual friends works if you have a solid social circle
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:24 AM
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If you’re unsatisfied with your relationship you have the right to sever it at any point, and if you don’t want sex you have the right to refuse at any point I don’t think it makes men or women “emotional” or any other buzzword to shame them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:18 PM
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”You’re not owed commitment even though we entered a legal contract that we were?” Luckily, you can legally get that commitment nulled through a similar process! Nobody is entitled to a sex or commitment and they’re both equally unhinged to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:52 PM
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Yeah I’m pretty sure every single man who’s been in a relationship here can attest to doing at least a few of these things fairly regularly lol Just like women here say men don’t appreciate or recognize the emotional labor they put in, a lot of women evidently don’t either
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:40 PM
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Ignore what crazy people on the internet say If I have a son, I’m gonna tell him to avoid hoes and focus on women with positive virtues. No idea why I should care what the childless user Feminist_Ad_420 on Reddit tells me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:57 PM
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I never claimed you or Lilith in particular hated doing emotional labor. The disconnect comes from how we use the term because it’s extremely misused in spaces like this from its original study Emotional labor is normal in relationships, and both parties should provide it for each other (within reason, not being a therapist). If there’s no parity because one side is being dismissive of the other it’s bad, but that’s not how the word is used generally Again, what is the big complaint of men in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:39 PM
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Strange to reframe ‘acts of love’ into an unwanted burden. Negative language intended to discourage that behavior. Because a lot of these women don’t like men or their partners lol My partner shares her day and vents to me more than the other way around, but I love her and enjoy hearing about her day so I can’t imagine holding a grudge against her for that. A lot of women here genuinely don’t want to hear their man vent and it’s a little sad to hear I feel like it’s the bare minimum but it makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:24 PM
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Yeah I’m not sure how people are missing the point this hard. It’s not that this specific question is hard but it’s reflective of the greater theme that men have been putting in emotional labor by reassuring their girlfriends with these general category of questions for a while lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:12 PM
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If he’s not letting you share your feelings or being dismissive of you I think that’s fair — it’s hypocritical to expect emotional labor while not being open to doing so. Now, if don’t share your feelings because you don’t want to hear your partner venting for “parity” it tells me you probably don’t like your partner that much To his point, it’s funny how women here say men aren’t being honest or exaggerating when they say they have bad experiences sharing their feelings with women while also ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:54 PM
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it’s just because they aren’t attractive enough to get attractive women? That’s half of it. Some men think that way, and some men don’t put themselves out there enough But to their point, if you’re attractive enough you can get laid while being an asshole with little engagement, but if you’re unattractive you do have to put a lot more effort Unattractive men being in relationships with unattractive women doesn’t really refute that idea. The better argument would be you can be ugly or an asshole …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:15 AM
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Then why do plenty of women marry unattractive men? The vast majority of women marrying unattractive men tend to be unattractive themselves A lot of unattractive men don’t want to date unattractive women (and to be fair, most of them don’t want unattractive men either). Or if they’re fine with it, they can’t because they’re poorly socially calibrated and don’t put themselves out there enough But to his point which yours doesn’t contradict; attractive assholes can get laid easy while unattractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:48 AM
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I think the problem is when it’s not equal. I think it’s only an issue if the person doing more of the “emotional labor” isn’t letting the other person share that equal amount I probably do more of the emotional labor in my relationship, but I know if I wanted to vent more she’s more than happy to listen (and she does on those days). I think it’s a little weird to “expect” complete 50/50s when it comes to couples sharing their emotions and it feels a little… inauthentic? Obviously, there’s peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:37 AM
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Not gonna lie, the way some women describe emotional labor makes me think they just don’t like their partner To me, my partner venting and talking about her stressful day at work sounds like what a normal boyfriend should be doing. To a lot of women here that’s “emotional labor” towards their partner and that’s crazy to me The idea of it being emotional labor never crossed my mind for my female friends let alone my partner lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:18 AM
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There’s a clear ‘women are wonderful’ effect in our society, and dating is easy mode for women but I’m sure women here will say otherwise for obvious reasons. Biggest con is definitely the bigger risk to sexual violence and that’s a very valid concern that women face Men don’t have to experience periods or pregnancy which is really nice. The period cramps stories I hear from my girl sound miserable. Probably the biggest con is being considered more expendable by society, and that idea trickles d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:04 AM
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I don’t think alternatives will ever be the single most common form of relationships. There’s enough normal people that normal, standard relationships will always be the most common That said, I’m pretty sure AI will be the second most common form of relationships in the future. We laugh at loser men for having AI girlfriends, but loser women are using AI chatbots quite a bit to fulfill an emotional connection too Once physical robots capable of sex become affordable, and as chatbots become more…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:47 AM
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I’m definitely no “chad” but I managed to get hookups on dating apps every now and then (most of them were from bars or raves though) Hooking up was fun for a while but I realized I really just enjoyed the idea of sleeping with a different attractive women. Getting tested all the time, worrying about getting a girl I don’t want to be with pregnant, and it just not feeling fulfilling eventually made me stop Maybe it’s just me but because most women aren’t good at sex, hookups all kinda felt the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:13 PM
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Like I said, married women spend 6 more hours than married men on chores per week on average (chores gap), while married men work 4-5 more hours than married women per week (work gap). Now to be fair, married women do work 1-2 extra hours per week altogether than married men which is valid criticism Stats aren’t meant to be applied to every single relationship. There absolutely are lazy men who don’t do chores while going 50/50 and there’s definitely lazy women who works way less than their husb…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 08:54 AM
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23780231251314667 Married women spend 1.6 times more doing household chores than married men; which amounts to roughly 6 extra hours per week When it comes to cooking specifically which was what I was replying to, men spend almost as much time doing so as women. Women proportionally spend a lot more on other household chores but cooking specifically is close Married women are closing the work gap and doing less household chores than their predecessors whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:43 PM
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Studies show women are doing less chores than ever while men are doing more chores than ever and the household chores gap is rapidly closing between couples (while men still work more hours). I don’t think this is as widespread as this subreddit thinks I don’t think there’s a huge “cleanliness gap” between young men and young women but guess who’s going to have to cook when there’s two adults and two kids to feed Again, less young women can cook while more young men are cooking and that gap is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:24 PM
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Most people don’t get married/shacked up in their mid 20s. The average age is actually 30. You shouldn’t marry somebody until you can observe their lifestyle for at least a few years regardless of age though Most men (or women) aren’t smart enough to be this machiavellian schemer that pretends they’re very clean for multiple years before becoming slobs lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:44 PM
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I’m sure those people exist, but they’re not common. People don’t entirely flip their entire lifestyles they’ve maintained for years on a dime like that Conversely, most women slobs I know stayed slobs after moving in and the type A guys I know stayed like that after moving in with their LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:33 PM
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Don’t add kids thinking it will get better. It won’t. This is good advice, and it is same with giving a woman a ring. If the man or woman isn’t doing their obligations before kids or marriage, they’re not gonna do it after
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:08 PM
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It’s really easy to tell if a man or woman is a slob and can’t do basic household chores. If you somehow get blindsided by this it’s definitely on you Knowing how they deal with kids is definitely harder. If you have any nieces or nephews you can see how they interact with them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:06 PM
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I definitely think women get bored of relationships faster than men even if they find their partner attractive. Women just require a lot more upkeep compared to men Beint attractive can delay it and gives you more leeway, but you’ll always have to keep that passion flame alive as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:58 PM
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Which makes sense because respectfully, most poly couples are not attractive at all I do think there’s truth to women getting bored of relationships faster than men however
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:10 PM
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No, you can definitely eradicate both at the same time There’s no laws or infrastructure causing misogyny anymore, just like misandry it stems from culture. Most young men and women get radicalized the same way so you can absolutely fight both battles simultaneously I don’t think some men and women want to eradicate both at the same time though
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 07:24 PM
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Alright that’s a fine perspective Are you fine with your partner platonically cuddling and kissing his female friends too?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:32 PM
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Ignoring the fact that some of the masculine qualities that women like are genetic, the aesthetic can get you sex for sure but it doesn’t work for LTRs You can look as masculine as you want, but if you crumble at confrontation and lack courage and confidence then the woman will lose respect for him a lot of times. Most women don’t like dating feminine men If anything, I’d argue being genuinely masculine is more important than the aesthetic lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:27 PM
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It’s not sexual just because men say so Uhh.. you’re the person here suggesting it’s not sexual because women say so Like I said, most men and women thinks their partner spooning or kissing the opposite sex is inappropriate. If it’s strictly platonic that wouldn’t be the case, and I feel like that should be obvious And if you’re cool with that it’s obviously not a problem, but we’re discussing how most normal people perceive it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:09 PM
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Women kiss and makeout with each other as friends too; it doesn’t make it any less sexual either The fact that most women (idk about Reddit but in real life for sure) would be against their man cuddling and spooning other women proves my point it’s not really platonic It doesn’t have to lead to sex but it has sexual connotations to it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:50 PM
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My rule of thumb have always been ‘if you’re not okay with partner doing it with the opposite sex then it’s not platonic’
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 04:29 PM
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My FWB friendships were a lot different than my “normal” friendships. People typically meet their FWB in a romantic way (dating apps, bars etc.) but their friends in a non-romantic setting so the dynamics were very different
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:47 PM
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Yes women have much easier access to sex than men, but women want children with men who mutually want children with them not guys that’ll pump her, never see her again and be a deadbeat dad. That number of guys is much, much lower because far as I can tell, there’s not a substantive difference in the number men and women that want kids If you exclude loser men that women aren’t interested in regardless, there’s fewer “high quality” male partners than female partners so their value would theoreti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:42 PM
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Sure, and the man proving his DNA and providing support for the child is his added value for her in the relationship as sperm bank babies are unaffordable and logistically infeasible for 90%+ of women That’s (one of the many reasons) why this entire discussion is redundant and a little goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:31 PM
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because HE wants biological children. But both the man and the woman want biological children here. While women can get pregnant from sperm banks, raising children as a single parent without any help is unaffordable and extremely difficult for most women It’s biological feasible, but the overwhelming majority of women wouldn’t knowingly consent to that so the man adds identical value to the overwhelming majority of women who want children
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:22 PM
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Under your lens I don’t see how a childfree woman has less “value” than a woman that contributes pregnancy, but sure But yes, in real life people choose their partner based on a lot of different factors. We pick the best possible partner based on qualities we like. A childfree man has higher value to a childfree woman and a man that wants children has higher value to a woman who wants children
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:06 PM
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A lot of women here fuck their friends so I’m not surprised lol Most women I know in real life don’t want to cuddle with men they’re not sexually interested in. Even if we were single we’d both find it really weird
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:51 PM
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Yeah, if you asked these people if they’re fine with their boyfriend cuddling or spooning female friends they’d say no because there’s obvious sexual undertones with it. It’s just not a thing outside of Reddit Last point is fair, there’s definitely touch starved people out there
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:42 PM
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Do people even say this? Maybe some people on this subreddit and it wouldn’t surprise me, but I’ve never heard of people in real life saying they platonically cuddle their opposite sex friends lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:30 PM
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Masculinity exists on a spectrum, and if you’re seeking masculine men on the high end of the spectrum you’re more likely to encounter toxic guys As that acceptable level of masculinity gets narrower and narrower it becomes much harder for normal people to achieve
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:26 PM
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Not sure. My gifts for her were mostly monetary (I’m not crafty) while her gifts tended to be handcrafted and more time invested We’re both very happy when we receive gifts from each other so I don’t think about it like that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 01:50 PM
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My partner is pretty crafty and makes me handmade gifts. I’ve gotten gifts from all of my partners except one honestly From my experience it’s normal for women to do it for guys they’re very interested in but it probably just depends on the girl
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 01:42 PM
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She’s not particularly feminist at all. She agrees with feminists on 99% of issues except on trans women and they rake her over the coals for it. I strongly disagree with her on that but it doesn’t warrant the insane harassment she receives And Jk Rowling has donated millions of dollars to charities that support (women) victims of sexual abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 01:37 PM
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I’ll state it more concisely: if 1 in 5 GenZ woman openly report themselves to be bisexual (numbers would likely be even higher if solely conducted in urban cities), how is there widespread compulsory heterosexuality? Why would gay people take longer to figure out their sexualities if not for societal pressure? It’s harder to figure out your sexuality if you’re surrounded by guys completely unlike you that talk about how hot women are. It’s not that hard to figure out, as you touch on later Comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:34 AM
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It just explains why some women - namely lesbian and bisexual women - often don’t notice their same-sex attraction until later in life Last I checked over 80% of bisexual women end up with a man and 1 in 5 young woman is bisexual how. I don’t think “compulsory heterosexuality• is a widespread phenomenon as much as most women in real life just like men Obviously there’s gay guys and lesbians that took far longer to find out their sexual orientation because heterosexual is what we observe in our e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:10 AM
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People are having sex at historic lows so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. From what I gather there’s fewer sexually actively men but the men that do have sex have it more frequently Yea that’s the men who have kids because they are selected for those traits. Last I checked the percentage of single moms are the highest it’s ever been so I doubt this is the reason. Shitty men are still getting into relationships and reproducing There’s been a cultural shift for a while now that can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 01:11 AM
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We’ve went from “women are inferior because they get periods and pregnant” to “women are superior because they get periods and pregnant” Time really is a circle lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:34 AM
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Men are reporting historic lows of desiring kids now too. They have easier access to sex without commitment compared to any other point of history, and a lot of young women aren’t exactly relationship material either lol There’s plenty of reasons why birth rates are declining and it’s a little more nuanced than men supposedly lacking value. Men are more involved in housework and their children’s life compared to any point of history and birth rates are plummeting even harder; women aren’t having…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:23 AM
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So this value-add is only applicable to women who want kids, which a lot of young women don’t nowadays? Do childfree women lose value to women who do want kids since they offer something unique that the other women don’t? Edit: Analyzing it from a business perspective doesn’t make sense in this context either. The most basic principle you learn in high school Econ is supply and demand, and there’s over 3 billion women with the ability to get pregnant. Being able to get pregnant doesn’t add anymo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:45 PM
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Yeah I’m not sure what’s the point of this topic lol The part about feeling intimidated when guys approach is kinda valid but everything else is solved by just.. not dating men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:38 PM
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It’s not your job but you should want to protect people you love if you’re capable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:56 PM
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Nah, that still depends on the woman Some women can get off pretty easily when you find the right angle and rhythm, but some women always need very specific patterns and a long ass time to get off Eventually it should be “easy” once you’re comfortable with each other but it doesn’t detract from his point
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:31 PM
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Under the most broad definition, most men and women are misogynistic. Most men and women engage in benevolent sexism and some degree of misogyny or misandry to some degree Chauvinistic but well meaning? Maybe 30% of men are like that Misogynist as in genuinely hate women? Probably less than 5% of men. It’s a hard number to quantify because most of those kinds of men exist in the fringes of society and online. We see plenty of incels online but I’ve never met a genuine incel in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:24 PM
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Yeah, lot of women spent their entire lives imagining their wedding day and they want it exactly the way they vision to the tiniest detail. Meanwhile most guys would be happy with a basic setup from the wedding planner I don’t disagree the burden is usually on the bride for those self-inflicted reasons, but if she’s okay with it then I never saw the issue with it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:20 PM
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I said women use passive language to describe situations where women are clearly at fault like this one. The woman that replied to him being a prefect example Most cheaters (men or women) do so because they feel unfulfilled in their relationship in some way, and they tend to communicate it in some way. His point is that women here are far more charitable here than a man telling his stressed wife from work and chores that he wants sex and cheating if he doesn’t get his way
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:06 PM
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I can tell you that nearly all of them had deeply rooted daddy issues and were practically Xerox copies of one other, from their attitudes and personalities to their style choices, kinks and outlook on life. Glad it’s not just me that’s noticed this lol A lot of them grew out of it and become a lot more well adjusted when they got older, but it’s crazy how often they fit the stereotype
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:58 PM
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People don’t date other folks for a hundred different factors that they can’t control (height, face, race etc.) I don’t see why this would be intrinsically different Daddy issues is a pass for a lot of guys but there’s plenty of men out there that’s okay with that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:52 PM
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I think his point is women here use very passive language and are way more likely to justify when women cheat or is obviously in the wrong If a man said he cheated on his wife because she was tired after doing all the housework and working for the household, you’d say he’s an ungrateful piece of shit not “life just happens that way” or any other flowery language Men are guilty of this to an extent with other men too, but to his point a lot of women here are very biased towards other women and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:41 PM
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Yeah I’ve noticed a lot of women here just genuinely hate men. To be fair, a lot of men here genuinely hate women too Reading posts here makes me very happy most women in real life aren’t anything like the women here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:24 PM
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Agreed. Man or woman, if you’re being extravagant and want things done in a specific way that you like that’s all on you to make it happen
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:14 PM
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Not sure about the last part, but you’d be surprised at the number of women that let guys raw dog them and keep the kid There’s a lot of irresponsible women out there
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:39 PM
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I think this subreddit overestimates how much a random dude being willing to fuck a girl actually helps their self esteem usually though I think the disconnect here is you’re referring to sweaty, desperate losers and I’m talking about hot guys that these women find attractive showing interest I don’t disagree that most women don’t care about ugly guys wanting to fuck them, but a tall, handsome guy showing interest is a big confidence booster Personally, I don’t think it’s a sign of low-esteem ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 01:04 AM
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They could just be seeing what’s out there. Or thar could just be a different group of people Some of the women in my social circles downloaded Tinder after a breakup not because they were ready to “see what’s out there” but for compliments from hot guys for a little self-esteem boost People on this subreddit get weirdly defensive whenever it’s mentioned but believe it or not, a lot of women in real life do like attention from guys they find attractive. Like I said it’s not a bad thing at all
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 11:27 PM
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I don’t disagree most men should avoid Tinder, but that’s beside the point of the discussion The vast majority of meeting online is not Tinder, it’s friends of friends. Meeting through friends was its own separate category. A lot of younger couples meet through apps and games like Discord and Roblox
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:46 PM
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Almost 40% of Hinge users are women, a little over 40% of real life women reported using a dating app at some point, and nearly half of young women met their boyfriends online (granted, not just dating apps) Dating apps aren’t everything like red pillers believe, but your numbers are more than just a little bit off
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 09:39 PM
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This is why people don’t cite sources. There’s many reasons why citing sources is pointless here People with either don’t read it, intentionally misinterpret it, or find any benign reason to discredit it while linking retracted studies themselves I use to link sources in my write ups but I found it’s never useful to people who don’t want their opinions changed
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:25 PM
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There’s a lot of women that download dating apps after a breakup or when they’re feeling lonely to boost their self-esteem I don’t think there’s anything even wrong with that. Sometimes it feels good to have validation from the opposite sex and women enjoy attention from men too
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:21 PM
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I’ve read conflicting sources on this, but the vast majority of them say there’s way more embryos discarded per abortions than IVF Regardless, as the other guy who replied mentioned abortion is significantly more accessible. Republican lawmakers are trying to make the IVF process harder if not impossible so I’m not sure how you’re trying to square this here This idea that pro-lifers have to prioritize IVF instead of prioritizing abortion and IVF as their second priority just doesn’t make sense A…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 06:42 AM
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You would think there would be a loud opposition towards IVF clinics, similar to the protesters at abortion clinics, if it were purely about saving embryos lives. There are a lot of Republicans against IVF; they even banned an IVF protection bill last year so it’s a consistent stance. From what I gather pro-lifers aren’t inherently against IVF but are against the current process of embryos being thrown out Just because there’s not as many IVF protesters as abortion protesters doesn’t translate t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:39 AM
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Very few people with experience end up dating the most attractive person they’ve been with My partner is gorgeous but she’s not the single most attractive woman I’ve been with, and chances are I’m not the most attractive guy she’s been on a date with but that’s fine. I’d rather date an 8.5 that I strongly connect with than a 9.5 who’s a very poor fit outside of the bedroom. Sex and attraction isn’t everything That said, there should be a baseline threshold of attraction in relationships. If ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:54 PM
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To them this has absolutely nothing to do with women’s suffrage or independent (even though it’s affected), but with life and death. If you do not meet them there you will only talk past each other and convince absolutely no one of your argument This part needs to be emphasized for sure Like I said in another comment I’m pro-choice, but I completely understand why pro-lifers have that position even if I disagree with it. And it should be obvious, but it’s not because they want to “control” women…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:48 PM
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There was a thread here a few weeks ago about conscription in Ukraine, and a lot of the women here were completely fine with it I’m also pro-choice but I think it’s obvious most people don’t genuinely care about the idea of bodily autonomy as much as they just want what’s most convenient for them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:30 PM
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Yeah this topic always exposed the fact that most people don’t understand politics at any level Men and women didn’t“vote” for Roe v Wade to be overturned, but the majority conservative Supreme Court likely wouldn’t have done so if they thought the blowback would be catastrophic enough. And it was bad as midterms indicated, but not bad for Republicans past the immediate short term When it comes to politics, apathy is just as good as a “yes” when it comes to instating their policies. Politicians …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 04:30 PM
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Young men are overwhelmingly choosing to be single because they can sleep around easier than in any other previous generation. I don’t disagree average people date each other, but studies consistently show there’s a lot more young men looking for relationships compared to young women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:25 PM
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Women are just extremely picky in general You’re allowed to be very picky when you have so many options available. To be fair, in a hypothetical world where gender dynamics flipped and women chased guys and men have the same number of options, guys would be way pickier too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:19 PM
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They don’t imply that they’re stupid, they imply that they’re being deceived. Well, you’re kinda proving my point here You think these women aren’t smart enough to understand that these passport bros are looking for a tradwife and not just “saving” them like some kind of romance fantasy novel They have smartphones, access to social media and passport bros have been a thing for a good while now in these developing countries. These women aren’t ignorant of their intentions lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:30 AM
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Women’s interest isn’t a binary yay or nay, it’s more like a spectrum Some women will approach men if she’s very high interest, but there’s a relatively much larger spectrum of men that same woman will go home with or date if they approach her Don’t waste your time with low interest women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:08 AM
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Maybe because the women were like 22 and the guy she was with was 26? I’m not sure I do think there’s a clear double standard when it comes to age gap relationships between the genders. Men are just perceived to be a lot more predatory than women when dealing with more vulnerable people in general
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 07:18 PM
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Lust isn’t the same as desire or passion
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 07:09 PM
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I recall Charlize Theron (50) talking about her hooking up with a 26 year old guy and women were overwhelmingly supportive of her. I don’t really see women critical of these sorts of things personally Maybe the difference in reaction is because she’s attractive, but when most people think of an older guy dating a younger woman the guy is usually crusty and wrinkly so that could be it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 07:07 PM
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how dudes can know these women are with them because of their relative wealth but also think “oh it must just be a weird fetish” These average white guys get 0 matches in the US but get hundreds in certain Asian countries, and can participate in hookups and dates without spending money. It’s a cultural thing dating back decades that you aren’t aware of, and has absolutely to do with money Seems like you have a predetermined conclusion already so there’s not much to say here. Every point is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 06:59 PM
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What doesn’t make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 06:41 PM
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Then why don’t these men ever look at the poor women at home? Many reasons I feel should be obvious if you look at it from the lens of a guy who’s unsuccessful with dating About a third of Americans are obese (and a lot of that percentage is concentrated in lower income men and women), even poor women in the US are less impressed with wealth and the one’s that are, are more likely to be gold diggers, a lot of developing countries have a weird fetish for average white dudes so a 5/10 here is a 7/…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 06:13 PM
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The average poor American has better living conditions than a poor citizen in these other countries. An average poor person in the US can still afford a roof over their head, phones, internet, food, and still have enough money leftover for superfluous shit like tattoos and fast food If you utilize government benefits they can survive just fine and keep a higher quality of life Then why do they always emphasize going to poor countries Because they have a higher status in these countries. That doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 04:45 PM
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To be fair, I do see a lot of women online imply these women are stupid and don’t know they’re being taken advantage of Which is obviously silly since a lot of these countries rank higher than the US in education lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 04:25 PM
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In the US, you’re allowed to stay in the US after divorcing your spouse. Also, not every person in these countries is in abject poverty lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 04:12 PM
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Yeah this is always a possibility if there’s a huge wealth disparity regardless of what country you’re from An average white dude is considered much more attractive in these countries; if you know how to vet women you’re perfectly fine. Most passport bros are kinda losers that have zero experience with women and suck at it, regardless of country
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:10 PM
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I’ve gotten some very hateful DMs from women even in this subreddit when I mentioned the preferences I had when I was single lol I think a lot of passport bros are definitely cringy, but some women are just very spiteful I doubt most women careful about passport bros though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:04 PM
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Probably because most women simply aren’t in casual sex at all and only want sex within relationships. I don’t disagree actually. Statistically, most women do have a few casual sex encounters outside of relationships throughout their lives but not a lot Those aren’t the women using hookup and husband material labels; the discussion is about women who engage in hookups and talking about men who are husband material but not hookup material
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:48 PM
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Women generally don’t understand why you think a woman wanting to spend time with you is such a horrible thing. You don’t understand why a woman calling a man husband material but not hookup material can be considered an insult to some men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:29 PM
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I use to make big write ups with sources, but then I realized 95% of the people here aren’t here to have their opinions changed or just trolling It’s really not worth the effort
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:26 PM
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Only experience I’ve had with bad hygiene was when I went to an anime convention with my ex as well as a few video game tournaments. Even then they only really smelled bad, nobody looked homeless (bad fashion, but not homeless) And those were sweaty nerds; the vast majority of normal guys that’s involved in the dating scene have decent enough hygiene
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:47 PM
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Ehh, I can believe him When I was a lot younger I was a little chunky and I got a few compliments from women. Those compliments were directed at my hair or fashion, not necessarily me as a whole When I became a gym rat I started getting complimented directed at my overall appearance. It went from “your shoes are nice” to “you’re handsome” I don’t think there’s a lot of attractive women telling fat guys they’re sexy though lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:41 PM
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I’m not sure what you’re not understanding here lol A man not calling out another man because it doesn’t benefit him is no different than a woman not calling out another women because it doesn’t benefit her when it comes to a lack of integrity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:04 PM
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Like I said, women don’t callout other women either. Arguably even more so in certain cases according to in-group bias studies The reasons for it (“it’s not gonna help me with dating” or “I don’t want to upset my girlfriends”) are entirely irrelevant when it comes to one’s integrity and character And if you think the latter excuse is justifiable but not the former, you probably don’t have as much integrity as you let on either
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:51 PM
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I mean yeah, it’s valid if you think that Just pointing out it’s a very prevalent mindset in both men and women despite what people may say online
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:15 PM
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So, you have no integrity. Interesting. I see this a lot in men lol Women have a much higher in-group bias than men and don’t call each other on their bullshit either. Not really a gendered thing lol People will grandstand on the internet but most people won’t go out of their way to defend people not in their social network — man or woman
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:45 PM
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if you can’t find any motivation to call out shit; then don’t but it does speak of character. Yes and no, it’s a little more nuanced than that I think everybody “should” call out extremely hateful or violent rhetoric every time, but you shouldn’t go above and beyond for anybody that wouldn’t do the same for you I call out any sexist or offensive comments towards my partner or any of the women in my life because I know they would (and have in some cases) do the same for me. I’m not gonna have tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:16 PM
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And most men don’t care if their partner is a virgin. Honestly, even in red pill spaces they don’t really even use “virgin” when describing their ideal woman. Low number of partners for sure, but rarely virgin Virgin obsession is only present in certain religions but definitely not men in general
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:54 PM
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If ugly women aren’t having sex with chad, who is having sex with them? Average guys This subreddit has this weird idea that guys are either chads or ugly, but there’s a huge spectrum of men and women between them. Statistically there’s more sexless young men and sexless young women; I’m not a pill guy but the math is matching just fine Personally, I didn’t see a lot of “chads” going home with ugly girls in my party days. There were a lot of average dudes going home with girls “a few” points los…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:57 PM
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You think somebody fabricated millions of DMs with the exact same interface as the Tea app? The same app that had women’s drivers licenses leaked because of their shitty security a few days prior? Nothing will obviously change your mind so there’s not much to say here I call bullshit there. And honestly? It’s actually so hilarious. That’s exactly the same shit incels rage about women. Boo hoo women say it’s our personality but they just want Chad’s. Incels and femcels are two sides of the same c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:48 PM
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Have you seen some of the leaked DMs from the Tea app? If I swapped the genders you’d think they came from incels on 4Chan lol A lot of the women there are vile with shitty personalities; that’s why they’re being overlooked for relationships not because of their looks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:30 PM
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I always knew Muhammad Ali was a man of culture
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:21 PM
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Most men and women show their red flags early on I don’t think it’s a coincidence women are actually really good at spotting red flags of ugly men, or guys they don’t find attractive It’s just harder to see when you really like them or find them attractive, not that ugly men are magically better at hiding their red flags lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:12 PM
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I have never seen a hot man dating ugly girls. They would never date someone whose ugly. If you ever regularly go to the gym, you’ll always see way more yolked guys with fat girls than fit girls with fat guys Most people date within their league but this is just very easy to disprove lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:08 PM
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I guess it is easier to believe men are these genius masterminds instead of admitting you overlooked early red flags or was complicit in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:19 PM
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It’s always funny how women here see men as these Machiavellian masterminds, but also dumb oafs that don’t know how to wash dishes or operate a laundry machine lol As far as the topic goes, I think it depends how you define manipulation. The average woman can manipulate men much, much easier than the average woman with their looks, but the most influential cult leaders are men (and most cult members tend to be women) I’d say the best manipulators are men, but your everyday woman is better than y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:04 PM
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There aren’t as many young conservative women to choose from. This, and most people just pick whoever they find attractive and go from there Whenever I point out how nearly a third of relationships are with different political beliefs, with them overwhelmingly comprising of conservative men with a liberal woman people reply “well there’s more conservative men than liberal men so that’s why the gap massively favors conservative men” which is valid But the logic applies here; there’s just more lib…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:00 PM
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From my experience, most hardcore gamer men that lack friends are just dudes with poor social skills that spend most of their time indoors. If anything, they tend to pedestalize women compared to normal guys because of their lack of experience I just don’t think people in this subreddit understand that a small percentage of that friendless male demographic are comprised of those insanely toxic redpill guys — probably because we’re constantly exposed to it in these subreddits It’s like those guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:36 AM
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It’s one of those things that’s really obvious if you’re not chronically online tbh Most men are not sexists, and most men without friends that spend all day inside gaming are just normal people with bad social skills. The sexist red pillers you see online are a statistical minority by every metric If anything, guys that don’t interact with women have a strong tendency to pedestalize them over men that don’t regularly interact with women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 06:08 AM
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However, a woman is 6x more likely to be separated or divorced soon after a diagnosis of cancer Wasn’t this study retracted?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 12:23 AM
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OP said “(healthy) relationship require physical, mental and emotional benefits from both man and woman” not that you’re entitled to physical intimacy. Those are two entirely different statements My partner isn’t entitled to me showing her any love or affection, but our relationship obviously requires it to function in a healthy way
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:30 PM
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Studies consistently show couples in healthy relationships have a lot of sex No idea why this sub has a weird aversion to physical intimacy, but the vast majority of men and women in the real world want physical benefits from a partner they love and find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:08 PM
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Politics don’t matter nearly as much as people on the internet like to think. That’s also because most people in real life are a lot more moderate than the crazy leftists and MAGA folks you see online Nearly a third of relationships are with mixed political beliefs. I’d imagine most of them don’t feel strongly about politics like people here, or it’s a center-left woman with a center-right guy so their principles and values are likely very similar anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:12 PM
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Honestly, I’d say both Folks here are gonna cherrypick ugly conservative women and attractive liberal women as if that means anything, but there’s plenty of ugly hairy armpit liberal women out there Imo it’s that urban women are more attractive than rural women and they tend to lean conservative (higher obesity percentage). Urban conservative women are just as attractive if not more so than liberal women so it depends where you look And liberal women are also much, much easier lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 03:49 PM
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I didn’t say every single woman did that and I even said men are guilty too. It’s not necessarily lying, but if you develop strong feelings for somebody after sex it can cloud your thinking if he’s not a player he should be avoiding any situation where she catches feelings That’s not his responsibility and that’s not even possible all the time It’s like saying women are at fault for men in the friend zone developing feelings. Even if you make it clear that shit will still happen
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 06:09 PM
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then he’s not seen as a player He will be perceived a player in her social circles because she’ll tell her friends that he led her on You can be as upfront as possible, but there’ll always be women (and men too tbf) that’ll catch feelings after sex and slander you as a fuckboy or a hoe for not dating them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 03:29 PM
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Is the algorithm showing short guys profiles as much as tall guys? Did you miss the part where I said a large majority of women are filtering out guys below 6’ willingly? The algorithm puts guys that most women swipe right on more frequently at the top of the stack, and men that most women swipe left on near the bottom This isn’t some conspiracy where the algorithm to trying sleight short and ugly guys, women just don’t like them on dating apps Now, in real life, most people are partnered (short…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:37 PM
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Women swipe on a small % but it’s not the same group Short and average guys aren’t getting matches on dating apps so I’m not sure who you think women are swiping on lol Especially since we have objective data that the overwhelming majority of women filter for 6’0 (15% of men already) and look for similar superficial qualities Like I said, there’s plenty of men that women would date in real life that they’d overlook on dating apps. But when it comes to dating apps specifically it’s just silly to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:13 PM
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I don’t think it’s possible to not be seen as a player if you’re having sex with a lot of women No matter how clear you are with your intentions there’s always be a number of women out there that’ll nod and agree when you say it’s just casual, but then go around call you a heartbreaker that led her on for not wanting more It’s not his fault obviously since nobody is entitled to sex or a relationship, but you still get the reputation regardless. When it comes to casual sex, hurt feelings tends to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:52 AM
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There probably is at least one fuckboy in recorded history that couldn’t land a relationship, so you raise a very strong point with your post
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:30 AM
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Not sure about the 80/20 rule specifically, but data overwhelmingly indicates women swipe on a relatively small percentage of men on dating apps. You might not, but statistically most women do since you’re judging men solely off a select few superficial qualities Pill men have a point when it comes to dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:25 AM
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I mean, there’s women that use men for money in the states too There’s plenty of foreign women that find average white dudes with money genuinely attractive. A lot of passport bros just have no experience with women and go for the models Women can take advantage of you if you’re a loser no matter where you go
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:05 PM
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I mean yeah, this is true Women in the US have much higher standards than women in these poorer countries. They tend to be more traditional which is a plus for some guys too I don’t see anything wrong about or why people should care about it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 10:31 PM
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There’s a point to be made from both sides here imo We have an entire library’s worth of data that indicates women are extremely picky on dating apps and actively engage with a small percentage of men. Some guys are just incapable of succeeding on data apps no matter how hard they try, and dating apps are becoming the new way to meet people To the other side’s point, women aren’t nearly as picky in real life. If you’re socially calibrated and take care of yourself, most men can do fine
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 10:24 PM
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That’s very reductionistic from both views Some red pill guys say only tall, muscular guys are chads, and some blue pillers say you can be sexually successful regardless of how ugly you are by just being nice to women At least on this subreddit I see more nuanced take (sometimes)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:27 PM
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This feels like a Matt Walsh inspired “what is a woman” question. Regardless of where you stand on the issue, not everything fits into a tightly concise definition The idea of “Chad” is cringe, but it’s valid to say Chad doesn’t necessarily have to embody a single archetype for it to work Not every sexually successful man has the same exact qualities, but many of them tend to share a combination of attractive attributes that make them successful
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:10 PM
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