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Anecdotal, but I don't know a single dude that had a magnetic personality who had difficulties with women. I know that seems like a shifting of the goalposts, but I'll explain: The way I see it, cultivating your social skills is all that you actually need. People generally stop at being a non-offensive milquetoast sort of person, they generally suck at making friends and often complain about how difficult it is to make new friends as an adult. The way I see it, if you can't go out today and come…
/r/seduction15/10/24 11:57 AM
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Dunno pal. In my experience, seduction and having basic social skills are the exact same thing. If you're good at making friends—meaning good at actually getting people to like and want to spend time with you—you're probably also doing perfectly fine in the dating department.
/r/seduction15/10/24 11:49 AM
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But why would I bother to explain anything to someone who continues to prove that they've already pre-judged me? How would that be productive at all? I'm not married to my initial assessments, as I am human, I can be mistaken. You were judged the way you were because the things you've said align with those unsuccessful people who follow various gurus with little to nothing to show for it but still believe they're making progress. If that's not you, simply clarify and I can admit that I may have …
/r/seduction03/10/24 08:11 PM
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To be clear, you were the one that made the positive claim that Models was entry level stuff (at best) and that other material would serve people's interest better. As the person that made the positive claim, the burden of proof rests on you. I got into this community in 2009. I've consumed a massive amount of other material, indeed, I previously had an external HDD stuffed full of material. I practiced every single day, yet none of the information I learned from the material actually helped me.…
/r/seduction03/10/24 03:42 PM
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Okay. So, what is it that you gain from other material? Why is that other material the best way to get that information as opposed to just getting yourself out there, getting knocked down and getting back up? Why is it somehow better to get all of your information from "gurus" who undoubtedly have completely different circumstances than you (they may be taller, wealthier, better looking, different race, a better sense of humor, and so on) than it is to adopt a mindset (which let's be honest, is …
/r/seduction03/10/24 02:32 PM
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Imo, if you don't think Models is the only book you need, I don't actually think you have any success with this. It's a great starting point and from there you create your own game. If you need any other material, you are simply completely incompetent and uncreative
/r/seduction03/10/24 07:52 AM
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Lump sum and installments are separate entities when it comes to personal finance. For instance, let's say for argument's sake that they earn the same amount of money; if all of their dates were spread out over the course of say, two pay periods (which is feasible given a bi-weekly pay calendar) on a per pay stub basis, he paid less as a percentage of scheduled income for the dates than she did by paying 150€ at once. In terms of monthly income, 150€ is 150€; so in a monthly budget, they spent t…
/r/seduction25/09/24 12:57 PM
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Reading comprehension not your strong suit? Do you need comments addressed as if one were writing a grade school essay? "He likely wouldn't say the same things if the genders were reversed because (my comment)"?
/r/seduction25/09/24 12:22 PM
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I'd pay the 75€ You utilized the hotel room as well. If you believe that women should pay for their share on a date, it is only logically consistent that you pay for your share here. It's not about being a gentleman, it's about minimizing your negative footprint. Not paying half is kind of a dick move if it's asked. If they already had the hotel room, and it wasn't expressly for my benefit, that's when I likely wouldn't pay, because that's nonsensical. Paying is on a case by case basis. You don'…
/r/seduction25/09/24 12:16 PM
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Why wouldn't he? He was using the hotel room as well did he not? That being the case, he should be paying half. If you believe that going dutch on dates should be standard fare in an economically equal society, him paying half for a hotel room he utilized is the only correct answer if you're trying to remain logically consistent.
/r/seduction25/09/24 12:09 PM
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TL;DR to the following: I think it's more important to focus on fundamentals like "how to communicate" than on specific situations I never went for kisses on dates, unless it was going all the way. If it wasn't going to go all the way, the loss of sexual tension wasn't really a price I was willing to pay. That being said, I don't believe I've ever had any trouble knowing whether or not I could go for it. Imo, if you're confused about whether or not it'll work, don't even try. It's also not true …
/r/seduction12/07/24 10:47 AM
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Are you an absolute, abject remedial? When people say be yourself, they don't mean be the fucking loser that you currently are, which you very much are. You being a loser has nothing to do with your personality. If all what you said is true, then to be honest, you shouldn't even be seeking partnership. You're a worthless partner. You need to seek help. Either help yourself or go get some cognitive behavioral therapy from a pro. Focus on increasing your value. Get hobbies that you find value in t…
/r/seduction09/10/23 10:16 AM
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You may also be surprised to discover that water is wet
/r/seduction05/09/23 06:19 PM
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When I said 'me being me', what that means is that I'm not trying to do things like 'DHV' or giving 'false time constraints' or pretending I have more going on than I do. Essentially, I'm not trying to fake my way into bed with women. Being yourself doesn't mean you don't need to change. If who you are isn't who you're trying to become, then change should be the constant state that you exist in, until you become that person. Then when you become that person, you'll probably want to be someone el…
/r/seduction01/09/23 03:57 PM
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Pretty sure the sentiment is that if a woman likes you, it'll work out. That's been my experience as well. It's also why I generally changed my focus to just identifying what women are into me and going for them as opposed to doing what other dudes are doing and trying to convince women to like them. I don't think the focus of the post was "if you soft reject a girl, she'll keep trying and you'll get laid", since that would be a nonsensical premise and not universal at all. However, the idea tha…
/r/seduction01/09/23 08:41 AM
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Respectfully disagree. While I don't believe in pretty much 98% (just a random estimation) of shit taught in this community, since in my experience, me just doing me produces better results, dating is definitely a game. It's a series of decisions made with incomplete information with an element of luck involved in all outcomes. Just like any other game that we like to watch. It's not chess (the result is generally pre-determined based on who makes a mistake with equally skilled players), it's po…
/r/seduction01/09/23 07:02 AM
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Don't just pull random stats out your ass. Even a quick Google search shows that by the time men are between the ages of 40-49, 76% of them have had children, while at that same age range, a higher percentage of women (84%) have had children. It's not nearly as dramatic of a difference as you state it to be. Of course, those 8% points represent millions of people (they're US based stats, not global). However, in aggregate, it's likely that most men will be able to reproduce.
/r/seduction01/09/23 06:52 AM
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Confidence is the product of receiving positive results either as a result of your actions or in spite of them. I had been learning this stuff for a year prior to me gaining confidence, and that confidence had literally nothing to do with game. The confidence was created when I went to a party and an attractive girl (we were teenagers) loudly told her friend that I was cute while looking straight at me. She also was super game to just grind on me when I told her to (I didn't ask because pick up …
/r/seduction01/09/23 06:46 AM
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Disagree with the last part. Give two options for a date with concrete time of day specifications in the initial ask. If neither of those options works for her, and she doesn't suggest another date, decide to stop pursuing her or if you think she's worth it, ask her what day she's free and you'll see if you can fit it in (actually be busy though, a dude that's always free is lame, a guy that pretends to not be free when he is is even lamer). Essentially, by breaking it up into several different …
/r/seduction20/06/23 08:27 AM
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You have to order a bottle with the table. But you're probably gonna order more, the bill can easily run up 10k or more beyond your base spend, since you'll want more bottles as you empty the ones you bought with the table. Like the client also threw down an extra $19k for a bottle of Dom, another few grand for a bottle of Azul. I contributed like a grand for some Louis. If you don't keep the liquor flowing, the girls are gonna dip to another table where they have deeper pockets. So I would stro…
/r/seduction10/05/23 09:52 AM
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You can, but then your value is just $$$. You are a paycheck, and unless you're raking it in, it isn't sustainable. The table I was on at Story Miami would have cost me $20,000 if I had paid. Unless you're making like 10-20x that a month, the amount of value you get out of a table is not worth the bill. NYC tables run a bit cheaper, like you can get one at Catch for like $3k, but still, unless you're making 10-20x that a month, it just isn't worth. Specifically because it's something you want to…
/r/seduction10/05/23 08:28 AM
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Was never a fan of the apps. One of my homies crushes it on them though. He's legitimately the best looking dude I've ever seen, though (no homo). For me, since I struggle with a compulsion to check my phone, I try to limit anything on my phone that would have me looking at it that isn't strictly work related.
/r/seduction10/05/23 01:04 AM
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Yeah that still doesn't say anything. What is a relevant lay count? I've gotten laid twice a day for a week in NYC (though that was more the culmination of prep work done over a longer period of time). Still doesn't change the fact that I was fairly certain I would be getting laid on any given night in those other cities. Without paying. It's called knowing how to network. Knowing the right dudes gets you the most access, which gets you more women that want the access you have. In Miami, Vegas a…
/r/seduction10/05/23 12:54 AM
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In NYC you start with promoters and then drive through their network. You need to be able to add value for them. So either you have girls that you can add to their headcount or just be a client.
/r/seduction10/05/23 12:06 AM
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If you're going out literally every night in NYC, a girl a week isn't crazy (this is on average, so if they get 52 girls in a year that's on average a girl a week, but some weeks can be better than others). If you only go out on weekends, a girl a month isn't crazy. It's really about effort for the result received. I don't think going out 7 nights a week is worth getting a lay a week. Though I don't really think that going for a specific # of lays is a worthwhile pursuit to begin with. However, …
/r/seduction09/05/23 11:59 PM
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None of them are rich. The one living like Dan Bilzerian is getting wealthier now, but that's after moving to Miami after losing his business and money due to COVID-19. Again, what is your metric for success? If we're talking about pure lays, at what frequency is it considered "laying pipe left and right"?
/r/seduction09/05/23 11:00 PM
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Then the dudes you know that came from NYC were losers. I have a few friends that moved to Miami during COVID-19. They got little to no play in NYC. Maybe a girl a week if they went out enough, maybe a girl a month if they didn't go out that much. All of them crushed in Miami. One ended up with a life reminiscent of Dan Bilzerian. I know two in Vegas and one in LA. All three are doing way better than they ever did in NYC. I don't hang around losers. You shouldn't either. Even in NYC, those guys …
/r/seduction09/05/23 10:46 PM
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Exactly. People don't know how easy mode it can be and waste their time in shitty places that are too crowded, instead of building a network.
/r/seduction09/05/23 10:26 PM
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Just my experience. You wouldn't catch me dead in Brooklyn, gentrified hipsterville. I also wouldn't bother with a non-exclusive event, it's just a hell of a lot of standing around, and a lot of dead ends with women you weren't really that over the moon about in the first place. It isn't that efficient. If your goal is to hang with the bros and maybe get something by the end of the night, by all means, go to a place like 230 5th or Le Bain or Brass Monkey. It's not a terrible time, good views, a…
/r/seduction09/05/23 09:04 PM
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As someone who lived in NYC for a good amount of my life, and also traveled all over the country and to other countries, I gotta say, I don't really believe you. I think it's cap. Miami is way easier, Las Vegas, way easier. Even LA, slightly easier. Perhaps I just didn't go to a lot of college bars, college women annoy the ever loving shit out of me. But in general dives, it was like maybe a 20% chance that I end up with something, if that. At bars in tourist areas, those odds shot way up. Touri…
/r/seduction09/05/23 06:18 PM
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Complicated to explain it, I just more or less just started doing it one day and didn't notice until a wing pointed it out.
/r/seduction17/04/23 10:48 AM
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Nah, an indirect opener still requires that I initiate contact with her. The way I do it, I'm just talking loudly with a friend with maybe a glance in her direction. She can choose to inject herself into the conversation or not, if she doesn't, it feels distinctly different from a rejection since I wasn't talking to her in the first place, so I've got no expectation that she actually takes the bait, I'm just extending a non-verbal invitation and talking about something with a buddy that is imper…
/r/seduction17/04/23 10:25 AM
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Why is all the advice always so complicated? Look at a chick, lock eyes, smile. If she matches your energy (ie: if you flashed her an 'oops caught me slipping', slightly embarrassed but more playful smile, and she returns that same smile), you good. Not all inviting smiles are full teeth smiles, some people don't like their open lipped smiles. If it reaches her eyes, it's a real smile. I usually smirk at women I want to approach, because I think (and I've been told) that the smirk is my most sex…
/r/seduction17/04/23 08:06 AM
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Nah, more means less prospects. With more single people the threshold to be considered within the top fuckable % is higher unless you're already in that category IRL. With less single people, even though there *may* be more competition for any given girl, there's fundamentally less competition provided that you look better than average amongst your peers, which is easy enough to do on a cruise. Not exactly a huge 'Chad' magnet choice of vacation. Your odds are better to be within the chick's ran…
/r/seduction28/07/22 06:50 PM
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Should still take it with a grain of salt. Don't have a good sample size, nobody does. Been on only 2 cruises in my life and got laid on both. The first at 16 and got laid purely as a result of being the last non-creepy dude standing by the last two days. The second was significantly more fruitful at 23 (30 now). I would argue on a cruise that if you don't have decent looks and a decent body, game will not save you though, or it will be significantly more difficult to save VS irl where people ar…
/r/seduction28/07/22 08:35 AM
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As single people are in the minority on a cruise, it's actually fairly easy, imo. If you don't look half bad and are in decent shape, you don't really even have to do anything special, they'll come to you in my experience. If not, just be fairly social and it would also be pretty easy. As long as you aren't a complete loser, I would argue that game isn't even required.
/r/seduction28/07/22 07:46 AM
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Social circles in high school make it easy to get laid. The eco system is small though, so an actual sizeable portion of high school kids don't get laid. Same in college, however, in college, since they're typically legal, this can get easier to just dip outside of known individuals, if they REALLY need some fuck. As an adult, you can do the same things. Your social circles would just trend towards more mature activities, and not so much getting black out every week. I have groups that do these …
/r/seduction18/03/20 12:15 AM
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Chicks in high school look hotter due to your pool of women being more limited. They look attractive relative to their competition. This is mitigated if the girls are actual stunners. About 3 girls from my high school and 1 girl from my middle school look just as hot as I thought they were back then, more than 10 years later. I don't believe guys age better than women provided they're both doing the same things to take care of themselves. Like I've met some stunner 40 year old women. The differe…
/r/seduction14/03/20 08:51 AM
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I disagree with a lot of this. I disagree with this because I pretty much don't even want to talk about myself on a date unless there's a commonality I can share a story on. I agree with this, but being different can be as simple as being non reactive. I've been told that it's hot how i seem like I genuinely don't give a fuck about anything and I'm always calm and relaxed, even if we're talking about shit that gets most guys clutching their water bottles, like her favorite sexual positions etc. …
/r/seduction10/03/20 09:10 PM
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You out here simping. Quality shitpost.
/r/seduction05/03/20 08:39 PM
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I have an alternative to this which: Step One: "Make friends and go out with them" Step Two: "Merge sets" Step Three: "????" Step Four: "Profit" You'll have a good night, every time. And you don't have to talk to people you're not interested in talking to. Positive self talk is also okay, but it shouldn't come at the detriment of seeing shit how it actually is. See things how they are, acknowledge when you did some dumb ass shit, say, 'I'll get it next time' Alternatively, minimize your cold app…
/r/seduction31/10/19 05:15 AM
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Should probably realize that this thread at least, is brigaded by incels
/r/seduction07/10/19 12:08 PM
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The truth is, you're probably NOT good enough. That's fine. That should light a fire under your ass. That should put you onto a path of perpetually trying to be a better version of yourself. The goal of saying: "you're good enough" is to make sure you're always putting yourself out there. We're terrible judges of ourselves and would either never improve or think that we have so much further to go before we make a move. Both extremes are unhelpful. So yes, as you are now, approach people and try …
/r/seduction07/10/19 03:17 AM
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Dancefloor game weak af. Do that if you're taking a girl to a club as a fun experience. Not when you're meeting new women. On the dancefloor is where a chick's hypergamy is turned up to 11. Your SMV is low, while her's is high (even if she isn't even all that hot). All around, not the best position to game in. It works, but there are far more efficient ways.
/r/seduction16/07/18 07:12 AM
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1) Screen on your profile for what you want. There's literally no point in using tinder for anything other than fucking IMO. If you're like me, screen for that. 2) Since you're screening to fuck, there is no reason to bother taking these chicks on dates. Get them to your place for some wine and fuck. EZ PZ. 3) Most girls from Tinder are in your life for a good time, not a long time (I hate that phrase, but it's true). As a result, it doesn't really matter if you ever see them again. After the se…
/r/seduction16/07/18 05:35 AM
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I'm fairly good looking. It isn't easy mode. It isn't exactly playing on hard mode either. It's more like playing the game on normal. I hardly ever get blown out of sets, but if I'm not super calibrated or exciting, girls fade away super fast, just like in a normal set. Being good looking is simply just an instant hook point. Everything after that is game as usual.
/r/seduction08/07/18 05:50 PM
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That's still not the right mindset. Go up to the set thinking that it'll go well, she'll like you. Being apathetic about the result means that your approach is more "meh" than confident.
/r/seduction05/07/18 08:02 AM
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It's more of an attitude thing. Be more sexually confident. Go for sex, you'll get hook ups.
/r/seduction05/07/18 02:13 AM
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All that you said happens off of a direct opener for me. My openers are direct but they're push/pull. "Interesting how? In a good way? A bad way?" "Kinda cute? What?" Shit, sometimes chicks run game, isolate and close me. It's all about congruence. What place is your opener coming from? This'll be indicated in your vocal tonality and body language. As long as you aren't like...actually ugly (which most guys can fix anyway), it usually instantly hooks. Logistics do change, so it's good to bounce …
/r/seduction04/07/18 10:04 AM
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Meh. I know if I want to sleep with a girl the moment I see her. I spend the time opening verifying this. I don't go for fast pulls. I go for fast numbers if I can't get the pull. If I'm going to pull I could stay in a set for like an hour. I usually eject out of a set if the chick says something I don't like. I tend to get a lot of "black guy chasers" for instance, and I hate those. So I don't just indiscriminately fuck. I don't usually never talk to a girl that I've pulled again. If a lay happ…
/r/seduction04/07/18 09:35 AM
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But you don't even care about her opinion. It's a pointless opener. High fives are lame. Please don't high five girls unless they're just your home girl or it's a genuine reaction to something you think is awesome. Not as a physical escalation blueprint. A normal introduction allows you to physically escalate in a more meaningful way than a high five anyway (because turning a high five into a hand hold is a low percentage move off of an opener like that). You can also push/pull in a direct intro…
/r/seduction04/07/18 09:12 AM
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You got good advice. However, getting another chick under you is super useful too. It doesn't really feel hollow as long as you're making connections, not just having a string of one night stands. The main thing is building your life. That's already been discussed though. I wanna talk about spinning plates. Go out, talk to women, have zero expectations because your game is probably shit (it's always shit after a relationship). Get used to flirting again, get used to getting solid numbers. Try no…
/r/seduction04/07/18 08:22 AM
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1) Why are you talking to her? An opinion opener is useless in this. Her answer doesn't even matter. It's misdirection. 2) That specific opinion opener is sexual in nature, but it still doesn't create a man to woman interaction. You're still going to have to transition to that. That's such a waste of time imo. 3) It delays the game. You need to know her logistics, whether or not you can realistically pull. 5 minutes tops for all of that, so that the rest of the 15-55+ minutes of the set is spent…
/r/seduction04/07/18 07:59 AM
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I posted in this thread. I don't really open girls in the bar any different than I approach any other girl at any other time. The only difference is the speed of the progression. Also, I'm louder. Speed of the progression: Find out logistics lightning fast (I might space it out over a few minutes in daygame), escalating much faster (either in sexuality of conversation or actual physical escalation) and isolating lightning fast (within the first few minutes).
/r/seduction04/07/18 07:52 AM
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"Hi, I'm TheManWithThreePlans" then I calibrate off of that and either give a full compliment or a push/pull type of compliment depending on how invested she instantly appears. Last week this chick asked if I was negging her though. My opener was "Hi, I'm TheManWithTreePlans, you're kinda cute". This happened before, I usually just say something like "yeah, did it work?" It really doesn't change anything. People always are so worried about getting caught doing pick up.
/r/seduction04/07/18 07:44 AM
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Oh god, no. I used to use this back in high school. Got some good discussions out of it, but man I HATE opinion openers.
/r/seduction04/07/18 07:34 AM
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I'm not gonna say stop texting her like everyone else. Put her on the back burner. Spin some plates and see if she changes her tune when she sees you are being less interested because you have abundance.
/r/seduction03/07/18 03:29 AM
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"Yes" It's just a question. It might spawn a discussion where you figure out what you want with each other.
/r/seduction30/06/18 07:32 PM
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Just disappear. Why do you need to put in the effort to say bye lol
/r/seduction29/06/18 12:34 AM
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Yeah, they changed it last year, I believe? I miss the old way myself. Always had dates lined up. With this new algorithm I'm getting like maybe 7 or so matches a week? Lots of which go nowhere. But they're all girls I actually like looking at, so there's that. I also started to see waaaaay less fat girls when I'm actually swiping.
/r/seduction28/06/18 06:37 PM
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Well, flirting while you're in a relationship is kind of normal. I feel like it's just this unspoken thing, you'll both do it and probably not talk about it. The only difference is that it cuts off at flirting. So, sure, this sub can help. It'll improve your general game, but you shouldn't be trying to pull. Todd V is awesome though. Glad you found him. If being single is your end game, be single. But if eventually, you want a relationship that could lead to marriage and kids, you need to stick …
/r/seduction28/06/18 06:01 PM
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Uh...just create a story about the thing you want to do with her. Have it relate to her ("this reminded me of you"), be kind of descriptive, make her want to experience it. Ask if she's feeling adventurous (she's on vacation, should be a yes), ask what she's doing over the week. Pick a day that works for both of you (in your head) and tell her that you're going to do that thing you told her that story about and invite her along on that day that you decided works. Or you can just...not do it. You…
/r/seduction28/06/18 05:55 PM
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If you feel like something is off, read the bio. They usually are pretty upfront about it. It isn't a big deal. Also, your tinder strategy is trash. Don't just swipe right on everyone. That's how your profile goes down to the dumps and you're seen by less people and also the more unattractive people (the girls less guys swipe right on). Tinder switched their algorithm to make the auto-like bots less useful. Only swipe right on people you like. You're gonna need to reset your profile. If you aren…
/r/seduction28/06/18 05:46 PM
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In night game it could work. I wouldn't really do it. I don't think there's much point in being so upfront about it. You want the narrative in her head to be this amazing romance, even if it isn't. So you set the frame, show intent, screen logistics, then seed for the pull. As the interaction moves forward it'll get more sexual, but in a playful kind of way. Get her out of the bar for a quick bite and then grab an Uber. She already knows what's up if you're playing your cards right. You want to …
/r/seduction28/06/18 03:09 AM
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"Bar YOLO @ X'o'clock. We'll see how it goes (smug emoji)"
/r/seduction28/06/18 03:04 AM
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I go out alone, but generally the mindset I have when I do that is that I'm just going to have fun. It's hard for me to really focus on killing it at the game gym without a home base where I can just vibe with and reflect on my failures and successes with for a little while. When I'm alone, I just do approach after approach and only think about any of it the next day. I still get better, but the calibration isn't instant. Basically depending on the goal for the night I either go out with a wing …
/r/seduction27/06/18 01:44 PM
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I get approached often, but generally by girls I am not interested in. Every once in a while some guy throws me a bone and makes a girl I AM interested in feel like she has something to prove and it just kind of falls into my lap. However, that's really rare.
/r/seduction27/06/18 01:55 AM
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You're not getting solid #-closes. You generally want your interactions to go in a way where you come in and declare intent (if you're not used to declaring intent, saying they're cute is fine, but I'd try to make it a push/pull). Then you're gonna want to get to know her, but within the frame that you set. That means you want her to start qualifying herself to you. You can do this by making assumptions about her, disqualifying yourself, etc. Once you've set the frame and she's operating within …
/r/seduction27/06/18 01:51 AM
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All that shit is unnecessary. Check it out, she's gonna do whatever the fuck she wants to do. That's the crux of it. She's going to do what SHE wants to do. Not what other guys want her to do. If she wants to suck some other dude off, then that's what she wanted to do and there's really nothing you can do about it. That's the level of vulnerability you're opening yourself up to when you get into a relationship. As a result, the only real thing to do is just trust her. Trust her. Your need to con…
/r/seduction26/06/18 05:52 AM
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Just take the interaction somewhere sexual. Ask about her preferences and shit, make assumptions about what she's into. Ping her interest with physical contact. Escalate if appropriate.
/r/seduction26/06/18 05:44 AM
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I usually go out 3 nights a week. 2 of those nights I'm going out alone. Sometimes it's kind of difficult to just have fun by yourself. It's a skill, learning to be cool with yourself, by yourself. That's why you just kind of have to do it. Push yourself to make that first interaction. Start interacting the moment you're outside on the streets. Once the first interactions are out of the way, you'll fall into state and you'll have a blast. You're never going to get over your fear of heights if yo…
/r/seduction26/06/18 05:40 AM
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I see people do it a lot, but it's not a hard pull usually. If I wanted to grind, I'd usually catch her eyes, motion her over then motion for her to turn around. Works sometimes, sometimes they get offended. But eh. I feel like it worked more than it didn't.
/r/seduction24/06/18 02:11 AM
1

I was the same. Then I realized that lots of my female friends were hooking up with dudes they didn't even have numbers for. Just IG. I realized I was wasting a ton of energy and getting worse results. It also gets you out doing shit more often since you need content. Uh, hq pictures are nice, but you don't need them. Just don't have a profile full of selfies.
/r/seduction23/06/18 10:07 PM
1

Numbers are really soft closes in this day and age. Who likes responding to texts? I still get numbers from time to time, but my conversion rate is WAY higher going for the IG every single time. It lets her check out your life, it gives you preselection, all around, clutch
/r/seduction23/06/18 09:51 PM
2

Campus police shows up if anybody has a complaint. Being "creepy" is completely subjective and changes from person to person. I can say "hey" to one girl and that could spawn a whole conversation, but for another girl, she'll look at me like I have three dicks coming out of my head and run faaaaaar away. Colleges have a culture where literally everything and everyone is problematic. I'm not shocked that somebody would run to campus police lol. That being said, since this is his environment, he m…
/r/seduction23/06/18 09:35 PM
3

I'm saying different places have different social expectations. In PU, we have to be aware of the rules and know when to break them. When you're at the gym working out, do you want people coming up to you and chatting you up for God knows how long? I fucking don't. So I also don't approach people working out. As for the towel girl, she's actually working. She's gonna be nice, even if she's weirded out. I didn't say not to approach at all. What I'm saying is not to overstay your welcome. People h…
/r/seduction23/06/18 09:23 PM
1

You're doing that at a university gym in 2018 is the problem. You took away her safe space, where people only talk to each other through the rectangles attached to their face. In college, outside of places where people are expected to be social, don't overstay your welcome. Maybe a "hi", grab her IG. Game from there. You most definitely don't want a reputation as "that guy".
/r/seduction23/06/18 09:07 PM
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Hit her in her fucking DMs for some fun activities. Don't bother wondering whether or not they like you because they like your shit. They could like your pics because of literally anything. They see you enjoying life. They like your dog. That picture of fucking dirt spoke to her artist soul or some shit.
/r/seduction23/06/18 06:52 PM
2

You're thinking too much. If I were you, I would have definitely called her out. If that ruins it, so what? Have standards, communicate your standards and stand by your standards. This will attract more quality girls to you, that you can have meaningful connections with vs girls you have a surface level connection with. If she's not asking you questions that'll help her know you better, she isn't interested. If she gives you a "maybe" instead of anything remotely close to an "absolutely", she's …
/r/seduction21/06/18 02:01 AM
1

1) Never happened to me. Especially on a date (lolwut). Your intentions were obviously unclear. 2) In day game this is gonna come off as creepy, again. You can be clear about your intentions without saying some shit like "How good of a kisser are you?" in the middle of an interaction. Now, I personally LOVE this line. However, I only use it at bars. Works like a charm. 3) This is pretty narcissistic. Whether something is creepy or not depends on how insecure what you're saying or sub-communicati…
/r/seduction20/06/18 08:50 AM
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I used to love clubs like six years ago. At this point, I can't stand them. You have to pay to get in, not guaranteed to have much fun, so it always just feels like a sunk cost. For the most part it's super loud so people aren't really going there to be social. They're dancing with their friends, or their boyfriend, or tinder date. The only time I still go to clubs are on event nights. That's when the general party crowd shows up. Bring your crew, have a good time. I still really like bars thoug…
/r/seduction20/06/18 06:43 AM
1

What type of weird shit are you talking about? They said she's cute. Intention established. The rest of the interaction should be chill. The ONLY thing that matters is that you communicate your intention. Transitioning to a sexual vibe? Not necessary. That shit has a high likelihood of coming off creepy. Save that shit for the night game. If that's what you like doing, it's whatever. It's not like it won't work every once in a while. I just wouldn't recommend it.
/r/seduction20/06/18 05:52 AM
3

I'm of the mind that they'll learn. When you're first running everything you still don't really understand everything that's going on. You get blown out mid set, etc. Over time you learn and calibrate. This can be done from open to close as opposed to "everything that happens after you do your demonstrations of value and pre-selection". Just starting out, I don't see the harm in learning a few openers. Responses to shit tests. It's hard to just start approaching one day. However, people should t…
/r/seduction31/05/18 05:25 AM
1

I actually just finished his book the other day. Picked it up because I saw it recommended here a lot and instead of trying to explain things to my more inept friends, being able to give them a book would be great. He managed to put into words things I kind of, sort of understood. So overall, the book would be a better teacher than I could be. Very pleased. Edit: Overall, he just builds on a framework that I first saw from Brad P (anyone remember him?), and focuses more on inner game than outer …
/r/seduction31/05/18 04:52 AM
2

I didn't say seduction is just for needy or uninteresting people. I said running game as if it were anything other than the honest connection between two or perhaps more people was for needy and uninteresting people (running routines etc). By the numbers refers to doing something in a formulaic way. In addition, I wasn't insinuating that your goal was to increase your lay count. That just happens to be what performance based PUAs like Mystery were good at and strove for above all else. This refl…
/r/seduction31/05/18 04:44 AM
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All of this shit is so unnecessary. Seduction only needs to be planned if you're uninteresting and needy and need something that allows you to pretend you are both interesting and not needy. Those are band-aid fixes and don't fix the general problem that whoever is using that shit doesn't deserve women in his current state. All of the "planning" imitates what you'd have naturally if you actually worked on your life instead of basing your value on the number of notches you have on your bed post. …
/r/seduction31/05/18 03:19 AM
1

I mean I just tell her to pick a day and let me know when she does. There are times when they've picked a day and I couldn't do that day.
/r/seduction01/02/17 09:02 PM
1

Online is pretty much entirely based on if they find you attractive or not. It doesn't matter what you say as long as you follow rules one and two. Be hot. Don't be not hot. If you've improved your physical appearance as much as you can and still aren't getting bites from women you want, either your standards are too high or offline might be your best bet. Offline your personality shines through if that's what you rely on to attract women.
/r/seduction01/02/17 02:35 PM
1

Be direct in your intentions. Let them know what you want through actions and words. Don't be afraid to get rejected. Also, don't focus on it so much. Might make you come off needy, especially because you don't action on it
/r/seduction01/02/17 02:19 PM
2

The best goal to have as a beginner is just be able to approach, almost anywhere (probably not at a funeral), and almost any time (probably not after a fatal pileup). I've gotten women while I was waiting to be questioned by the police for something or other. Once you can do that, you'll notice you don't need to force yourself to go out to approach because it'll happen naturally throughout your daily life. Another goal is to focus on what you're about. What do you like, what do you dislike? What…
/r/seduction01/02/17 02:14 PM
2

Hmmm. You're over thinking. Get out of your head and be present.
/r/seduction01/02/17 02:07 PM
1

Had to look up what tinder social is since I haven't used tinder for almost two years now. So from what I gather it is just where your group of friends matches with another group of friends? At least the purpose doesn't seem to be primarily dating although I'm sure it is used in that context. As a result, I doubt there is a useful opener. Were I to use the service, i would probably open with "X location @ 9pm, u down?"
/r/seduction01/02/17 02:04 PM
3

Top comment is similar to what I do. I say: "Okay, then pick a day when you expect to be free, let me know when you do" And then the ball is in her court.
/r/seduction01/02/17 01:51 PM
3

You come off as ridiculously abrasive for absolutely no reason other than people here being skeptical of your experience and knowledge. This is understandable, as you don't have a quantifiable post history here nor a history of giving good advice. That coupled with the fact that you're regurgitating things people already know from a position of superiority is enough to make people want to knock you off your high horse. When I post here, I can talk about all the pussy I get too, but I don't. That…
/r/seduction09/08/16 02:36 PM
1

Everybody starts off desperate for girls. That's what attracts people to a community like this. Eventually, either they evolve because they see no results and think their approach is the problem. They find success and crave more success so they approach game from a different perspective. They can also never see results and quit. However, telling people not to be desperate isn't going to magically make them stop being desperate. They have to come to that realization on their own. And if they don'…
/r/seduction08/08/16 11:01 AM
1

I feel like you are hilariously off the mark with this. I don't ever talk to my friends without giving them some sort of greeting first. I talk to my subordinates that way. I tell them what I want them to do and they do it. I have no desire to talk to a woman I want to date that way. Nor is it really all that attractive.
/r/seduction08/08/16 10:56 AM
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I mean...if she's legitimately cool, I feel like you screwed the pooch by ignoring her just because she came out to you as lesbian. Friends are pretty useful too. Especially for people like me who gets along really well with woman and for the most part really enjoy talking to them (even outside of a seduction standpoint). Lesbian friends are a blast. You don't have to worry about them getting attracted to you and it's pretty easy to get over your attraction to somebody if they're legitimately no…
/r/seduction08/08/16 10:30 AM
5

If a woman is being exceptionally rude and you aren't even after her, just be cordial in response and go on with what you're doing. I've had a woman literally lay into me about being too unattractive to even think about talking to her friend (I'm not, however it seems her attractive spectrum only included white men). I just pretty much ignored her and kept gaming the friend. I got her number and got her to bed at a later date. So being attracted to a girl who has a friend who instantly hates you…
/r/seduction05/08/16 09:07 AM
1

You put your lips on her's. It'll be pretty much instinct past that point. I really dunno how people get labeled as bad kissers xD. Don't think about it too much. Lightly touch her chin with your thumb and index finger and angle her face so that it's deliberate and intimate. As with all sexual things outside of rough sex, be patient in your action. The worst she can do is say no, and if she doesn't flat out reject you and sticks around you can always try again in another 30-60 minutes
/r/seduction04/08/16 10:13 AM
1

You don't. Missed your shot. Don't be a pussy next time, pussy. In all seriousness: 1) Next time you're in NYC hit her up to chill 2) Game the fuck out of her and pay a-fucking-ttention. 3)???? 4) Either profit or get rejected. Either way is a win. If she doesn't want to chill, then the first things I said in this reply are the case.
/r/seduction04/08/16 05:47 AM
1

Next time you go out: 1) Go places with a purpose. Hit on chicks organically 2) if you see a girl you think is attractive, fuck any kind of time limit or thinking what to say, walk your happy ass over and say something. 3) the first approach of the day is always the most difficult. Back when I was seriously sarging, I would make my first set one where I just said whatever the hell I wanted in an attempt to get rejected. Really takes the edge off.
/r/seduction04/08/16 05:41 AM
2

Rejection is normal. You'll get rejected more if you're genetically unfortunate or not really personable. However, over time you'll get better at the whole approaching thing and have better conversations. My first set ever was a six set where I got all their numbers. But then since then, even when I actually knew what I was doing I've had nights when I went home with nothing but a lighter wallet.
/r/seduction04/08/16 05:34 AM
2

Man that guy with the hoola hoop has skills.
/r/seduction04/08/16 05:25 AM
1

??? Making her feel lovely? Lol. I mean, if you were doing all that, it was probably just a statement of fact. "Whatever."
/r/seduction04/08/16 05:19 AM
1

There isn't a place where you'll find only attractive women of the age you want that will always give you their number. It's your fault for waiting 30 minutes to an hour to get the number anyway. 10-20 minutes tops. Rejection is part of the game. Deal. With. It. As for young looking girls, I don't normally deal with girls that are too young. I fucked around on college campuses and don't go to malls unless I need to shop. Asking age is rude, but you need to protect yourself. Find that shit out.
/r/seduction03/08/16 03:51 PM
2

Just be more playful and suggestive. Don't come off too eager ("only one way for you to find out!!"... Two exclamations though... Ugh, just nitpicky things). Remember that tinder is mainly just fun 1st, hookups 2nd.
/r/seduction03/08/16 03:40 PM
1

I'd say next this chick. Once the chick's image of you is shattered, it's a mission and a half to get it back and is almost certainly not worth the trouble. ED isn't sexy. Figure that shit out by the time you're close to having sex with another girl or this will be a reoccurring issue. Most women like oral, but most women also want to be fucked good after it. I dunno where you live, but there's abundance everywhere as long as you're looking. I'm not gonna say stop watching porn. That's on you, i…
/r/seduction03/08/16 03:32 PM
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1) If you ask for a number and you're given anything other than a number, next. 2) Realize that texting is not to increase interest, but to maintain. While you may escalate to nudes with some girls simply through texting or some other medium, those times will be rare. That is, unless the interest was already at that level. Cut the small talk, message if you've got something funny to share or you want to make plans. 3) There's nothing wrong with going straight to meet up (though I usually call. I…
/r/seduction03/08/16 09:11 AM
2

Either way man, the style is a band aid, I know I went in depth on it; but it isn't gonna fix the issue. That's because the first part of my initial post was the most important. The rest was me just going on a tangent because I hate seeing black dudes dress poorly (I'm also black). Reread the first part. That was my answer to your dilemma
/r/seduction22/07/16 09:55 PM
1

Bacon neck t-shirt, dumpy hat, generic jacket. Hairline. Hair not brushed. Doesn't look like you exercise enough (you don't gotta be swole). Top of my head, I gotta look again for the rest. I'll edit. Edit: Don't wear t-shirts as outerwear. They're under shirts. Unless you are going for a James Dean look t-shirts are tacky. You don't have to be rich to dress. There's stigma around goodwill or other consignment shops, but you can find good stuff. To find your style if you don't admire the way som…
/r/seduction22/07/16 09:32 PM
1

I mean by the time I would've opened 50+ women it would be hours after I started. I'd start right after school and get home by like 9 pm. Sometimes the goal was hard to reach, sometimes the conversations lasted long. There may be a lot of women in new York but it isn't a bastion of hotness. There are more hot chicks due to the sheer number of women in the city. I just got really wrapped up in it. One of our graduation requirements was a media presentation on a subject of our choosing. I grabbed …
/r/seduction22/07/16 05:51 PM
1

All I can say is to get wrapped up in your own energy. In a vacuum, you're unattractive after you finish dancing. You're drenched in sweat, your shirt is baggy, stretched out by sweat. You probably got loads of dick cheese. Own the fact that you're having fun, invite them into your reality instead of slowing it down. You can do some ridiculous shit that way. I've made out with a girl who was eyeing me while she was grinding on another dude, while she was still grinding on him. Guess who took her…
/r/seduction22/07/16 04:35 PM
2

When I dance at a club it's a specific club that has a pretty big and good group of guy dancers. We always battle it out, chicks check us out but for the most part we're too busy trying to one up each other to care. When I go to these clubs I usually wear pure hip hop attire despite my usual style (the movements look waaay better, also, hat tricks). If I'm getting especially hype I'll put my hat on a hot chick and she'd either stick around or come back later. Either is fine with me, I hate hats …
/r/seduction22/07/16 04:01 PM
1

Make them notice you. Approaching women that give you interest prior is good if you're simply results oriented (and as you continue to improve yourself and look better and get more confident you might find true cold approaches tedious, if you're not genetically ugly). However, as you're starting out, you likely reek of desperation and are probably on the whole unattractive in terms of body language/mannerisms etc. Just get used to starting conversation with no validation. Get yourself used to re…
/r/seduction22/07/16 03:04 PM
1

Go for the girl you're most attracted to. This should be the only metric you use when deciding who to approach. Hell, I've even approached girls with possible boyfriends walking next to them because they were the hottest girl I see. Hell, some of them were single upon inquiry.
/r/seduction22/07/16 02:53 PM
2

If you're not happy with yourself in your current body you won't find success. Be happy that you're striving to improve that body. Let that give you confidence. Recognize that you aren't hot shit, but you're not without worth either. I've not been with any bigger women unless I was specifically looking for a cute girl with a fun personality though, no matter how charming a girl is. So you're not gonna convince a man to have sex with you if he hasn't entertained the thought already. Turning a may…
/r/seduction22/07/16 02:49 PM
5

I generally give girls I like enough two chances. Especially if I'm going to see her again. I'd just casually ask what happened and if I think it's bullshit, I'll also casually lose her number and treat her all business from then on. If it's legitimate, then I'll ask her to pick a date and time that works and see if she goes through the effort in suggesting a time and date (maybe even place) for a make up. If she's too wishy washy about the reschedule, I'll also casually lose her number. It soun…
/r/seduction22/07/16 02:26 PM
3

The first one was nuts. Don't finish going down on her until she orgasms, but if you wanna nut from a blowjob, you're shit out of luck. Also, some girls like their nipples lightly bitten (some chicks like nipple clamps, come on bro). The main thing that a guy needs to know about sex is: Pay attention. Essentially, all women like different things, are sensitive to different things etc. Therefore, listening to women on advice about how to please a woman will only be applicable to that woman and th…
/r/seduction22/07/16 02:13 PM
3

I wouldn't suggest saying something like that unless you're prepared to back it up. Some people are not all talk.
/r/seduction22/07/16 01:54 PM
1

I dunno. I've never had much problem with these types. I'm also a big black dude. The only time I had aggressive dudes coming up to me was when I went to places that I might consider ghetto. Those times I'd usually just look at the guy and tell him he's too close and he has X amount of time, before I handle the situation. They usually dip. If they don't I just call over a bouncer. Situation handled. Don't further instigate (I'm guilty of this a lot, I love making fun of people trying to act mach…
/r/seduction22/07/16 01:51 PM
2

Good shit, I started pick up when I was 17 (25 now...I think...maybe 24...eh, doesn't matter). When I first started I was trying bullshit routines on girls at school until I started going out and doing lame shit like approaching girls with bogus surveys just to get used to talking to women. Eventually, I started enjoying talking to women and started going out for hours with the goal of approaching 50+ women a day (NYC, ain't no thang). I took an RPG approach to the whole thing; where the more I …
/r/seduction22/07/16 01:35 PM
1

Good shit. Make sure that your affection for her does not exceed logical boundaries however. Also, I almost stopped reading when you said you guys walked to her car. In the future, when you go out drinking, please have a designated driver or use a car service. Uber comes to mind
/r/seduction28/06/14 05:12 AM
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