TheRedPillBeta Archive

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1	How the hell can women commit to a man they don't lust after? Deleted this too. I'm just going to scour my comments for today. I am very sorry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 04:00 PM
–	How the hell can women commit to a man they don't lust after? Because sex is much lower on the priority list for women, generally speaking, than for men. If men ranked their preferences, it might be something like this: Sex Food Shelter More sex Win the lottery More sex For women, sex tends to be somewhere around 20 or 30, maybe ;).	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 03:42 PM
2	Average guys typically shouldn't expect casual sex Deleted my comment. My apologies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 03:40 PM
2	Women and the trap of "oPeN cOmMuNiCaTiOn" I don't care what pop culture says, what feminists say, what therapists say... As a guy, don't whine, don't complain, don't unload your emotions on other people. Nobody wants to hear it. NOBODY. Even people who genuinely, truly like you or even love you don't want to hear it. Because they care about you, they may allow you to do it, to some limited extent, and tolerate it. But that's the best case scenario. People want to help women. Men and women both. Women can do these things, and it is gener…	/r/TheRedPill	01/07/23 03:39 PM
1	Most relationships are transactional and aren't based on real love. Hollywood: love is unconditional! Reality: if your husband suddenly lost his $300k/year job and had to work at McDonalds for $15/hr, you'd be gone. If your wife suddenly got hit by the ugly stick and never wanted to have sex ever again... well your dick is going to lead you to bad places, or you're going to leave with it. Facts. There are exceptional folks who resist these natural pulls for sake of morality and honor. But they are the exceptions who prove the rule. Sorry, but it is what it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 03:31 PM
1	How do you justify asking for a woman with a low body count, if yours is high? Whether it's morally right is a separate question from whether it makes sense from a market perspective. Morally, I agree with you. HOWEVER. It's harder for men to get sex, generally, than for women, from a market perspective. So a woman sleeping around a lot isn't really commenting on her being super attractive. Even a somewhat unattractive woman can do that. It's not an achievement. For a guy to even be able to sleep around, he has to be really attractive in some fashion. One of the other comm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 03:27 PM
1	To the non-red pill men, do you agree with the notion that women ‘age out’ of their prime by 25? Why/why not? There are a few things buried in the way you phrased it that need to be teased out and parsed. Do women age out? Yes. The age varies from woman to woman. Elizabeth Hurley is in her 50s and very beautiful. And I've seen some women in their late 20s who look like they got hit by a dump truck. Too much drugs/booze/carbs/whatever. But point is, every woman will eventually age out of her looks, and will no longer be sexually attractive. I don't think it's misogyny to point this out. It's truth. Just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 03:15 PM
1	CMV Its so hard to become High Value as a Man, that its absolutely logical that most men off this caliber want to have sex with other women besides they're Wife/Girlfriend, i am really curious if someone can change my view on this. You are making a minor mistake here. You equate high value with a very Instragram/Celebrity like view. He must be Brad Pitt with a Lambo or something. And yes, Brad Pitt in a Lambo is high value. Let's not misunderstand that. And a guy in that position may be unlikely to stick to just one woman, like you say. But it's only one kind of high value man. And in fact the least interesting kind of high value man, because it's so stereotypical and out of reach. Some other types of high value men that m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 03:06 PM
1	Women who are in "alternative" scenes like punk rock/metal/raves etc, are more open to dating broke or short men but red pill men don't want those types. Long time Goth guy checking in. Yes, women in these communities have lower standards from a traditional point of view. They are more willing to compromise on things like height, income, and being swole. However, they have their own metrics that can be difficult to satisfy. They are often very concerned with your position in the scene. Whether you're popular in the local Goth clubs, community, etc. The way you dress is much more important to them than other women. You need to be "authentic". Also…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 02:56 PM
–	Average guys typically shouldn't expect casual sex Average guys shouldn't expect sex at all, to be honest. They may get it if they struggle hard enough, lower their standards enough, and a woman is willing to lower HER standards in exchange for a more permanent relationship. It happens a lot, still. But don't expect it. There's a saying I use that summarizes the problem: average is below average. It sounds counterintuitive, but there was a great study done on OkCupid at one point, where men rated women, and women rated men. Men rated women more …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 02:49 PM
1	Average guys typically shouldn't expect casual sex Unfortunately, when you are offered only two choices that can win national elections, you have to sacrifice a lot of principles. I would prefer to legalize prostitution for the reasons discussed elsewhere in this thread. But I also prefer lower taxes, don't like a lot of Democrat social policies, etc. So what do? The answer, of course, is to vote for the party that has more of the things you want, understanding neither party will give you all of the things you want, or even a substantial majorit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 02:40 PM
1	Why not look for a woman with a career? I don't think you are wrong so much as commenting on a different part of a vicious cycle. When a woman 'dates down', the dynamic of the relationship is all wrong. She might be disdainful of him, or henpeck him, or belittle him, because he is less than her. He might be insecure - because deep down, most men know this isn't a good situation to be in. A better man could come along and sweep her away. He has to prove himself her equal or better - even though he's not. It's not a formula for a succes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 02:08 PM
80	Why not look for a woman with a career? On the one hand, this sounds nice, and it's hard to disagree with it on principle. On the other hand, generally speaking it isn't guys who have a problem with high income women... it's women who have a problem with guys who don't make more than they do. It's a common trope. You see it even on very feminist/egalitarian publications, where sometimes career women lament that they just aren't that attracted to house husbands, or men who just make less than they do. One Red Pill point is likely true:…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 06:21 PM
1	Women giving dating advice to men doesn’t work because guys ask for vague advice. There are a lot of reasons for a lack of good dating advice from women to men. This lack of specificity you mention is one - many men want a magic pill to get laid/get in a relationship, and are frustrated if a woman doesn't supply them with one. This particular one isn't the fault of women - it's the fault of men who ask stupid questions. That being said, advice from women is generally bad anyway. Not on purpose, not because women are malicious. But because attraction is such a primal thing. Wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 06:02 PM
1	90% of what gives women ""the ick" is just men failing to live up to masculine gender stereotypes >Do women really expect men to be doing performative masculinity as a stand up gig for 24/7? No! But the ick factor is real. So on a first date, don't do anything awkward or icky. When you have a more established relationship with a woman, she'll forgive some amount of icky/awkward, here and there. Nobody is perfect. She's invested in you by that point, so like a stock going up and down periodically, she'll stick with you if the general trend is still upward. But certainly don't do anything icky…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 01:17 PM
–	Are women's insecurities tolerated while men's are seen as problematic, a weakness, or demonized for being inherently toxic? Yes, women are given more tolerance for insecurities, flaws, and failures in life. This is only natural. Biologically speaking, women are valuable for who they are. Men aren't. Men are valuable only for what they accomplish. That's a Red Pill trope I happen to think is largely true. So when a woman is down on herself, and wants cheering up, there are almost always folks who will empathize with her, and want to help her. When a man is likewise, deep down humans want to say "well, go out and achie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 01:03 PM
3	Anyone who says anything remotely critical about women must hate women. Yes, there are double standards. But is this the fault of women? And what can you do about it? Is it the fault of women? Broadly... no. Too many men are horny simps, and will tolerate - even praise - bad behavior from a woman in the hopes that he might score. You see this all the time on Instagram. Some woman says something stupid, or posts a pithy, meaningless quote... alongside a picture of her in a hot thong bikini... and men will come and praise her intellect, say that she's beautiful and he…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 12:54 PM
2	CMV: Why some women have a problem with age gap relationships and why men seek them Age gap relationships are generally good for several reasons - to a point. One of them is like you describe here, yes. Women want their men to impress them, generally. To make more money, offer a better life, have interesting things to share. And this is easier if there is a modest age gap. A 30 year old man dating a 23 year old woman, for instance. He may have a nice six figure income, may travel and be educated and experienced. He can offer her more than she is getting on her own. A 30 year ol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 01:58 PM
4	If women used the word "compromise" instead of "settle", things would be better. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, relationships, and reproduction. Men usually must meet their standards. When a man fails to meet her standards, she may compromise... or she may settle. And these are different things. Settling is what happens when a woman doesn't get a man who meets her standards, but decides to enter a relationship anyway. She didn't change her standards. She will still resent that her man doesn't meet them. The results are usually bad for both the man and the woman. The woman…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 01:49 PM
1	What are your most important attributes in a women? Looks. It's not popular to admit this - everyone says personality, some are just being polite. But it's true. That being said, I want to hammer home one important part about a woman's looks: it sets a floor on who I will date. I need to be physically attracted to her in order to date her. It's just a fact. But even if I am physically attracted to a woman with an atrocious personality, I would not date her. Nor am I unreasonable about looks - I do not expect a supermodel. Only someone I am physic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/23 06:34 PM
1	What should the father get in return for alimony? Alimony is kind of bullshit, in the modern West. In the days when most women could not have worthwile careers, it made sense. A man married a woman and was thus promising to provide for her. Usually she went from the parents' household where she was cared for financially, to the husband's household, where likewise she was cared for financially (that isn't to say she didn't contribute - back then everybody worked, unless they were super rich - it just wasn't necessarily for money directly). So wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/23 06:22 PM
1	Men love whores Men do not love whores. But they do have a primal instinct to want to fuck whores. This isn't news. Most men do not want a whore to be the father of their (acknowledged) children. They don't want to live with a whore. They don't want to spend the rest of their lives with a whore. But they want to fuck them. Even nice guys who would never actually go through with it will still feel a physical attraction to a whore sometimes. It sounds hypocritical, but it's really not. It's just nature. Instinct …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/23 06:15 PM
1	If you start doing looksmax prepare to be ridiculed (by other men) This is not my experience at all. Quite the opposite! Gym bros will often help you if you are cool about it. Other dudes will often congratulate you on losing weight. They aren't trying to hold you down, most of the time (I am sure there are individual asshole exceptions). Sure, they don't tend to leave likes and social media comments on your new, better pictures, or talk about how handsome you are. But that's just not how most men show appreciation. Guys don't tend to comment on the appearance …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/23 06:10 PM
-1	We know women love hot guys. But the average guy doesn't focus on looks-maxxing. Why? Generally speaking, women do not care as much about looks as men do. Looks are still important, but confidence, wealth, social status, fame, etc... these are at least as important. For women, looksmaxxing is the single most important attraction factor. For men, it's merely one of several. So it makes sense that some men will wealthmax, or famemax, or some other thing, as opposed to looksmax. Also, the physical traits of women that attract men... many of them can be bought. Boobs? You can buy tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/23 06:05 PM
1	Women don't feel love or want sex. These things are an insurance policy to them. Don't fall for the white knight mentality and get used by them, work on bettering yourself for you not for them. So, I understand why you have this view, and sympathize with your overall implied point, but there are a lot of false claims in it. For instance, women do experience love, orgasms, etc. When you are having sex with a woman, if you are paying close attention, in many cases you can feel her orgasm while you are inside her. Her vaginal muscles spasm and contract. Women experience sexual pleasure. You will learn to tell when a woman is faking it, to ~90% confidence. Women also feel love. Now, let us…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/22 06:23 PM
2	Chivalry: what is it? Who killed it? Chivalry is much darker than that. The meek man w/women and strong man on the battlefield actually gives us some insight into this. In feudal times, let's be honest - there was probably a lot of rape, quasi sex slavery, selling off of women with only the barest fiction of consent, etc... Men were dicks in this era. But we might want to give them some understanding - the world they lived in sucked, too. They were products of their time. Chivalry was a cultural attempt to undo some of this damage.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/22 02:37 PM
7	The notion that “women are the gatekeepers of sex, and men are the gatekeepers of relationships”, is frankly untrue "...only men at the top who hold any meaningful leverage." Yes. While I largely agree with the spirit of what you wrote, I have some quibbles around this. Most men have no control over sex or relationships. They will take what women deign to grant them, or get nothing at all. And that's the way of it. But with top tier men, this reverses. The most attractive men - the wealthiest, most famous, hottest, etc... have an amazing capacity to control the behaviors and sexuality of even very attractive …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/22 06:25 PM
3	if you hate women, you already lost Correct. Hating women for being... women is just dumb. And on top of that, many of the things some men complain about with regard to women are also the things that attract us to them. Yes, women are more emotionally flighty. But on occasion, a woman you are with will do something feminine, cute, or sexy that is essentially the same type of behavior in a positive context. I like women. I want to have sex with them, yes. But I also find cute and attractive many of their more ridiculous behaviors. …	/r/TheRedPill	04/08/22 08:16 PM
1	Are Redpill Influencers often like Simps on a Group level? >sounds more like a discussion of the size or height of the pedestal not the existence vs not existence. Something being more valuable than another thing does not necessarily mean that the more valuable thing is to be put on a pedestal. You're conflating more valuable or more important to species survival with how we treat women personally. A woman may be more valuable to our survival as a species, but that does not make her opinion on, say, nuclear proliferation policy any better than that of a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 08:05 PM
1	A good looking guy, say 7-9/10, should easily be able to get his equivalent for sex or LTR. The fact that he usually struggles to do this is indicative of the overall problem with dating in 2022. I disagree with the first half of the premise. >A good looking guy, say 7-9/10, should easily be able to get his equivalent for sex or LTR. I think the best and most stable relationships are when the guy is a point or two above the woman. A 9 man should be looking for a 7 or 8 woman. I think this is the most natural state of affairs. Her hypergamous itch will be scratched, and he'll still end up with an attractive woman. Ah but what about 9 or 10 women? Well 10 is almost theoretical. Like a cons…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 07:30 PM
1	I like access to media, but I think it is significantly to blame for driving communities of men and women apart Yes, I think media has been driving men and women apart. But not necessarily (or mostly) for the reasons you describe. What is more toxic is something that I, despite generally being rather anti-feminist, think the feminists are right about. Feminists often talk about the impossible beauty standards applied to women by gendered mass media and social media consumption. Airbrushed women. Magazine covers with 1 in a million beauties on their covers. Movies and TV with only the most gorgeous and sex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 07:10 PM
1	Are Redpill Influencers often like Simps on a Group level? >Also you could argue that 1 man can populate a island full of women but not the other way around so that makes that man more valuable. Yes. Under that specific scenario, you can see a role reversal. But that sidesteps the purpose of the metaphor. The purpose shows that women are the limiter in the survival of our species, not men. >We can create more live than women :D Only if women let you. >shouldn't you then not put your women you are interested on a pedestal? Don't put them on a pedestal. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 06:46 PM
0	Are Redpill Influencers often like Simps on a Group level? Of all of these red pill influencers, I'm only familiar with Rollo. I think he's decent. But the Red Pill community has many grifters preying on men with low confidence. There was one recently - I forget his name - who was caught on camera er... enjoying himself while another man cuckolded him with his wife. So are many of them simps in disguise? Probably. I think that's a little different than the issue of "are women more valuable than men?" For one, I think this is a true statement! For two, m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 05:46 PM
1	Would you wait to have sex until a relationship is formed? If she were religious, I'd say maybe there's something legitimate to it. Although a lot of people use religion as an excuse. Not being religious, this doesn't make much sense. Maybe - and to quote the Office Space Bobs THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL - there's some kind of sexual trauma that caused her to feel this way. If so, maybe there's justification. Otherwise, I'd guess she's just not that into you. I remember one woman I dated a long time ago. She said the same kind of thing. She wanted to wait 6 …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 05:23 PM
1	What NON self-gratifying things do you look for in a woman? I love that my wife likes gardening. I hate gardening personally. And I don't like all the yard space it's taken up. I have no interest in her hobby. But it is absolutely awesome that she has one, and it directly benefits me: when she's in the garden, I can wrench cars in the garage without feeling guilty. And we aren't in each other's way. Everybody needs alone time. Maybe it seems like a pedantic quibble to you. But the way I see it, everything you like about your partner benefits you in some …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 05:17 PM
8	Women only play hard to get with men who have no options, dating her is easy when she's actually interested Some agrees and some partial disagrees here. >She pursues the man she likes, that's it Yes. Hard agree. >She’s hard to get because she’s not interested in you. Also yes. Agree. >The man’s efforts or not has no bearing on her decision. This is where I start to have some disagreement. I think it's very difficult - borderline impossible - for men to create attraction where there isn't a preexisting spark. If she doesn't want you, you'll be hard pressed to change her mind. Not worth trying IMHO. But…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 05:11 PM
1	What NON self-gratifying things do you look for in a woman? Why would anyone see them as the same thing? I agree that there's a difference, but I don't think the difference is on the self-gratifying/non self-gratifying axis. It's all self-gratifying. And FWIW, ancient Mesopotamia is a fascinating subject. Never met a woman who cared about that, but it would be kind of amazing if I did. I think the main difference is on the age old sexual vs. personality trait distinction. In your list the first two 'self-gratifying' ones are explicitly sexual. The third …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 04:50 PM
21	Being "a good listener" made me prone to being 'friend zoned' It's important to be skeptical of people when they say things like that. For one, it is considered more civilized - more virtuous - to say this than to say its opposite. Social pressure bends this. Let's suppose for a moment that she's with a guy she settled for. He wasn't the Chad she met in college who married someone else, not the rich guy she fell in love with on vacation, but only fucked her once and never called her back. He was the regular Joe she had to settle for. Is she going to tell t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 04:43 PM
15	Being "a good listener" made me prone to being 'friend zoned' There's a subtlety here in definition. >Women can’t know a guy in just five minutes. I agree. They don't know him. Not in the common sense of knowing a person, like we know our friends, or our family. But you don't need to know them yet to have this chemistry or intense attraction. I think this is more instinctual/subconscious than conscious. >I’ve seen lots of guys, including myself, be “yellow lights” Yes. This happens. First, I don't intend to cover 100% of all cases, only a general majority …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 04:35 PM
–	What are ways to build confidence and how to show it? Confidence is positive belief in yourself, and assuredness of your value as a person. To me, it is neutral on the admirable axis. Both good and bad people can be confident. Confidence can be helpful, or hurtful, depending on the circumstances. Overconfidence is as damaging as underconfidence. But correctly calibrated, confidence is an immense positive in your life. One example would be if you know you are right about something, and stand your ground, because you are confident in your ability, yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 04:24 PM
1	What NON self-gratifying things do you look for in a woman? There is a myth that love is selfless and unconditional. That's kind of BS Hollywood programming. Love - especially in a relationship between men and women - has conditions. It contains a degree of selfishness (though too much of this becomes jealousy and clingy behavior). So I think even the traits you have listed as "non self-gratifying" are, after a fashion, self-gratifying also. For example, I like women who are kind to other people. But there is some self-gratification there. I'm something …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 04:12 PM
1	Pill ideology is irrelevant to most healthy people capable of successful relationships. Chad doesn't need the red pill. He's Chad. If you just "get it" innately, and you're highly attractive by virtue of birth, you will not need any of this autistic relationship advice. And if you're female and not in the bottom 20%, you don't really need it either - if you want a man, you'll be able to find one. And if you don't want men, then so much the better for you, I guess. So pill ideologies are mostly for men who A) might be able to attract women if they changed some things about themselve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 04:05 PM
1	Sugar/Transactional Dating is eventually going to become normalized The oldest profession. Trading money for sex and/or relationship time or however you want to describe it has always been with us, and will always be with us. The only difference with transactional is that it is somewhat more explicit (not in the sexual sense, but in implicit/explicit dimensions). These things come in cultural waves. Sometimes the nature of male-female interaction is more implicit than explicit. And sometimes more explicit than implicit. But that's the only substantive difference…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 04:00 PM
1	Do you take specific issue with teaching men to cultivate an abundance mindset? C is very important. It's essentially practice, and removing your own innate fears of approaching women. If you were a born Chad, you probably won't fear rejection. You will have a natural abundance mindset because there really are other girls who want you just right around the corner. But if you're not a Chad, hope is not lost! You can build an abundance mindset by faking it until you make it. To some degree, and within some limitations (if you are broke and/or flat out ugly this will be diffic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 03:55 PM
1	Are there any telltale signs a guy/girl gives if they're only interested in sex vs. in an actual long-term relationship? As others have said, if the relationship is going anywhere, he will introduce you to friends/family/whatever. But this will occur after at least a few dates. So don't expect this after the first date. In the early dates, is going to be very hard to tell if he just wants you for sex or for a relationship. He may not even know yet himself! You're getting to know each other. So let it go for a few dates and then see if he's nudging you closer to his friends and family. There are some exceptions to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 03:48 PM
58	Being "a good listener" made me prone to being 'friend zoned' There is a saying. Most women know if they want to fuck you within 5 minutes of meeting you. Hell, maybe it's more like 5 seconds. The reason is simple, but not easy to change. A man's physical appearance is one factor, but not necessarily even the most important one, as we know. How you dress, how you talk, your body language, demeanor, and how other people are interacting with you all send signals to women. Women are amazingly skilled - perhaps innately - at putting all these puzzle pieces tog…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 03:42 PM
1	Why is there a discrepancy in what men believe how women respond to men crying in relationships compared to what women believe how women respond? While there is surely a mix between the two, I would say MOST women would be less attracted to a man who cries. There are some exceptions. If a man cries once a decade or something, at a particularly sad event like the death of a sibling, parent, or close friend, then that probably won't have a marked negative effect. It may even be mildly positive: "my stoic man does have a heart!" But beyond the exceptionally rare, hugely impactful event, this is a negative. It's primal. We may think of oursel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 03:35 PM
3	Male beauty standards are exponentially more critical than female's Beauty standards for women are both higher and lower than that of men - from certain points of view. The beauty of women is subject to more micromanagement detail. The perfect makeup, face shape, clothing, breast size, body shape, body fat percentage, hair length, etc... So much more minute detail in it than the male version, which could be summed up as "be tall, be fit, have a square jaw, and a big unit." And the male side prioritizes money, status, fame, etc... at least as much as physical att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/22 07:07 PM