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CMVTheSnowyPlover/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:41 PM
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I think age matters here quite a bit two. There are probably more young women having sex just to have sex whereas I suspect the 30+ crowd has “wised up” and is more anxious about securing a lifestyle, husband, etc.—sex is a tool to get it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 07:27 PM
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Is your average women going to be cool with you pulling out a wand massager that you’ve used on other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 07:17 PM
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Go ask 10 women how many times they’ve been “used for sex”. Then go ask 10 men the same question. I think you’ll find that it’s overwhelmingly the women who feel this way—you can’t be “used for sex” if you’re having it for the right reasons. Women are going to be the ones saying this because more often then not they aren’t having sex for the joy of having sex…they’re having it to get something from the man—dates, money, commitment, security, protection, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 07:08 PM
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Most men have only known transactional sex. One of the reasons guys get bitter after finding TRP is because it opens up their eyes to the reality that there are in fact men who are getting sex despite giving little in return because women find them that attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 07:05 PM
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Men collectively expect casual sex because society itself has become hypersexualized and a fair number of men are in fact having plenty of casual sex. Where men struggle is understanding why only certain guys are having casual sex all the time despite us living in a hypersexualized society where we’re told that women are just as sexual as men. In previous generations, casual sex was rare and sex in general was largely confined to marriage so if a man wasn’t getting laid it’s simply because he pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:17 PM
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The only thing worse then no orgasm sex for women is no orgasm Sex for men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:38 PM
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Their priorities and needs are better aligned…because they tend to be the same at broad level—men tend to prioritize sex, while women tend to prioritize emotional support for example. Getting these from the other requires a sort of unspoken negotiation that is rarely fair or equal. Conversely, in a gay relationship both parties want a lot of sex so the negotiation is almost not existent…they both want it, no strings attached so they do and it works. A lot of what TRP/FDS comes down to can summed…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:29 PM
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I’ve always wonder if there’s a “correlation does imply causation component here”. For example, the data typically shows that women who were virgins when getting married are more likely to have lasting marriages, but women who are virgins likely also came from very conservative religious backgrounds that glorify marriage and demonize divorce…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 10:07 PM
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You might be right. I googled this and the stats range from a quarter to half it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 02:03 AM
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Statistically these couples are outliers
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 02:07 PM
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If you’re willing to put in the effort to learn what’s expected of you in social situations and what normal behavior looks like I genuinely believe that very high functioning ASD folks can “fake it until you make it” even if it comes across a bit imperfect. If you don’t, You’ll always come across as “odd” at best and creepy at worst. Regardless, based on having a well paying job alone you’ll likely have a shot with women if you’re willing to go for single mothers and other financially opportunis…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 12:18 PM
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https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/07/victorias-secret-angels-demons-hulu-review/670941/ This article from the Atlantic seems to comment on a similar point to yours basically saying that Victoria’s Secret pushed a hyper-sexual male-serving view of femininity, which was then confusingly adopted by women as being empowering. Women’s liberation somehow started out as giving women freedom and choice, yet somehow morphed into glorifying promiscuity and a lifestyle that at face value see…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:07 PM
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Disagree: older women aren’t just as picky—they’re MORE picky From a man’s perspective this seems to be totally counter intuitive, but from her perspective she’s likely more focused on a long term partner so she needs to be more picky. Ultimately, I think men tend to embrace this dynamic you describe as part of some revenge fantasy in which middle aged women die alone as cat ladies, but the reality is that even a 40 year old 5/10 who’s overweight still receives much more attention then a similar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:52 PM
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Very true. The casual sex/relationship list is probably 70% of dating age women while the marriage is is probably 40-50% of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:03 PM
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The list for women would be about three times this
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:22 PM
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One thing important thing to keep in mind: a man’s standards for casual sex or casual friends with benefits relationship are quite low—we’re talking a “7 will slump bust with a 4 when the the lights are coming on at the club” type low. Meanwhile a women who’s a 7 is only gonna bang a 7 or up and won’t marry anything less than an 8 The lesson here is that for men, the distance between “worthy of casual sex” and “worthy of marriage” is often much greater than it is for women. In order to have casu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:03 PM
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Having a full head of hair in middle age
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:47 PM
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Intelligent people are often insufferable, socially retarded, or lacking in emotional intelligence—all traits that repel women. I know because that was pretty much me for the first 25 years of my life. Even today I still have a bit of a Ben Shapiro way about me, but I’ve learned to tone it down a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:41 PM
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Yea because it betrays the reality that most women are NOT having sex purely for pleasure and enjoyment like they claim (and feminism encourages). It’s still overwhelmingly very transactional for women (I.e. Sex for commitment) so when men don’t hold up “their end of the bargain” it becomes “I got used for sex” We can’t have an honest discussion about these things because no one wants to be honest about it. You can’t be used for sex if that’s genuinely what you wanted to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:58 PM
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ITT: people implying that the only bargaining chip women have is sex In the words of Patrice O’Neal: “Sex is the only thing I want, if that’s the only thing you have to offer” Ladies, you can’t be “used for sex” if you’re having sex because you want to have sex…accordingly, if you go on a date, feel the lust and want to have sex, then have it…stop seeing it as a bargaining chip where you trade it in hopes of getting commitment from a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:27 PM
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To say that you don’t care if a woman has slept with 10, 100, or 1000 men makes you a tremendous outlier to the point of being abnormal
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 04:18 PM
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Fair enough. So how many is too many then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:34 PM
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I’ve heard plenty of folks say to have your fun with single moms but don’t commit. Ultimately, I think honesty is key here. If you’re dating multiple people or not looking for an LTR at least be honest about it and let the other person decide if they’re cool with that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:25 PM
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TRP is a tool not a mandate of behavior. Some use it to get laid, others use to find a wife
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:22 PM
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The only thing our society loves more than good upstanding people are people that spent half their lives messing up and then becoming good upstanding people. We praise the recovered heroin addict more than we praise the guy who never tried heroin in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:29 PM
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Realistically, virtuous virgin religious women are going to be inexperienced, lacking sexual knowledge, and probably a bit more close minded to things like kink than your average 30 year old girl living in LA or NY. I’d also argue that when you attach an almost spiritual significance to virginity and sex, it’s going to come with some unintended negative consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:19 PM
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Said it better than I ever could! Ultimately most of this stuff comes down to practical applications of Evo biology/psychology
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:16 PM
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The sort of women you’re describing is who you might find in more strict conservative religions (Mormons, Hasidic Jews, conservative Muslims, etc). However, those religions often enforce marriage from within that religious community so unless you’re already a part of it, your chances of dating those women is rare
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:42 PM
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Women who “find God” are often women who messed their lives up and are now looking for a community to help them out. Seeking and providing support is great, but if I’ve got a choice between a new car or one that’s been in an accident and subsequently fixed up, I’m taking the new one every time. Everyone loves a good redemption story, but what I want is someone who didn’t make a series of bad choices in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:38 PM
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Like most beta men, women only want God once they become 31 year old single moms. Poor God isn’t getting much love from the ladies when they’re in 18-25 prime years
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:28 PM
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It’s both sides without a doubt. However, your average man rarely has the power in the sexual marketplace to hold out for his ideals and quickly shifts to: is she hot and is she available? You might recognize this as being not much of a standard at all
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:23 PM
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The fact that I’ve gotten so many comments of people being triggered, that tells me I’ve struck a cord with people. I wrote this to be both true and entertaining. The only thing that upsets people more than pure fabrication are uncomfortable truths
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:21 PM
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Both sides have unrealistic expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:17 PM
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If you’re honestly representing yourself than I think that’s great. I’m just poking fun at how many “virgins” I’ve met who turn into defense lawyers describing how they technically never had sex as though you can somehow pull a fast one on God. In reality, if you’ve in anyway provided pleasure to another persons genitals are you meeting God’s intent? I’d argue no
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:16 PM
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As unrealistic as it might be the perfect women in many man’s minds is an angel that fucks like a demon but only for him. If I could offer you a fresh can of coke or one that’s had 7 penises in it, which one would you prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:59 AM
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Well first off, a lot of “born again Christians” are in fact high n count women soooo no bueno Men want an angel that’s a demon in the bedroom…but only for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:54 AM
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I think the biggest problem with this type of girl or any girl who gives off a “good girl” vibe, is that you’ll make a lot of false assumptions about her being traditional and subservient, but in modern Christianity this is almost never the case—The core values of feminism have reached nearly all of western society. Accordingly what a lot of men really need is a time machine because the traditional women they seek don’t really exist outside of fringe religious circles
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:01 AM
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The three types of women you’ll meet in church: The virgin bride: aka the young devoutly religious girl who withholds sexual contact, makes you jump through a million hoops to just to get some heavy petting…anything more is going to require a ring and and engagement date. Once married she reveals that her genitals technically touched her boyfriends in high school, but that doesn’t count because [insert desperate rationalization here] The Born Again Christian: aka the girl who had a little too mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:19 AM
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The okCupid data showed that bi men primarily messaged men on that platform. Bisexual women…also primarily messaged men if I recall
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:11 AM
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The key to getting women is: Being the sort of man a woman would want in the first place Putting yourself out their in the real world to interact with women Most men who struggle to get dates/sex don’t adhere to one of those two. Either they’re average guys (aka losers) who have no value to women or even if they do, they’re socially isolated to the point where they don’t interact with them enough in real life to facilitate dating/sex. When you honestly check both of those boxes it’s really just …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:45 PM
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you being the main priority O2 Mask in an airplane principal: help yourself first so that you effectively help others
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:11 PM
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Ask yourself: what makes me better than 80% of men? What do I have to offer to women besides being a “nice guy” What can I do to improve? Ultimately, this is an exercise is realizing that your average man is…average. Women don’t want average, they want men who are exceptional. Until you take the steps to be exceptional, why would anyone want you? The biggest problem with this sub is that it spends far too much time pointing out how unfair life is and how “if only the opposite sex would start doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:44 PM
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ITT: Stories about grandpas and dads basically being helpless overgrown children or sitcom dad stereotypes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 12:29 PM
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Depending on your relationship dynamic and division of labor, a marriage can easily feel like indentured servitude…especially if the other person is actively doing things to create more work for you than if you weren’t there (i.e. making food and not cleaning up after themselves)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 12:21 PM
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Yea but…few men have the ability to consistently attract women for routine casual sex. The ultimate situation IMO is not casual sex, but short to medium term serial monogamy—I.e. date for a year, break up when she withholds sex, passion dies, etc. Notice that I’m not advocating for marriage here. The unfortunate reality in 90% of long term relationships is that women in particular tend to lose their sexual attraction toward their partners much more profoundly than men. Although the studies alrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:09 PM
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That obesity statistic is across all age ranges and locations…when you look at just 20-40 year old women and limit it to major urban centers, the obesity rates drop dramatically
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:20 PM
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A very underrated answer. This is an emerging field of science that has some real promise for explaining everything from autism to human sexuality. The nature side of nature vs nurture is not just genetics but also the impact of hormones on human brain development
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 12:08 PM
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The female imperative is real. There’s a reason “woman and children first” is a thing. In reality men have no intrinsic value and are only as valuable as their ability to provide utility to society at large. Not saying it’s right, just saying that it’s the natural order of things
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 04:50 PM
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100% agree as someone who sees fatherhood as being absolutely critical, but in reality this would lead to more broken homes then anything, because instinctively want to bail when they find out. Governments know this, which is those countries with less personal liberties (European ones) tend to ban or limit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 03:57 PM
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Government does what’s best for the nation as a whole, not the individual. Having a father or at least having someone to provide child support is better than not at a societal level. Paternity tests create more problems for governments than they solve by validating the abandonment of the mother/child which is why countries like France have banned them outright except when court mandated—the government would rather you be an unknowing cuckold, than to bail and force the government to take on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 12:12 PM
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“It’s cheaper to keep her”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 03:58 PM
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As someone who spends a fair amount of time debating with people of different views, I think you’re underestimating the passion that people have with their worldviews. People get so ego-invested in their belief systems that they might not even know why they believe what they do, all they know is that belief A is right and belief B is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:27 PM
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Marriage is a formal contract between both people and the government. This contract not only makes it difficult to separate by putting various speed bumps in place, but it generally stipulates that the higher earning spouse takes care of the lower earning one. Women overwhelmingly tend to marry up, so that typically means a marriage is a financial risk for a man in exchange for what’s basically an antiquated status symbol of an arrangement. Simply put, many men just don’t see a point in marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 05:43 PM
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Yea but who do you think is more likely to stick around and wait: a sexy Chad or billy the beta? This is what leads to the “All men are Jerks!” Phenomenon…the most desirable men are the ones who feel less inclined to commit to one woman more often than not
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 05:41 PM
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The problem is when women collectively don’t adhere to that. When dating and sex becomes a race to the bottom that premise fails. Sex has become cheap and plentiful in a very obvious way that was previously unheard of. Men now understand that women will give up it easily…for the right man that is
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 05:26 PM
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On the topic of men being intimidated by high income women—that’s a huge myth. It’s spread by high income professional women who are shocked that their male peers don’t lack interest in them so they say they must be “intimidated”. In reality, a high status professional man just has a lot of options when it comes to women…particularly young attractive women. Why would he bother with an average looking 35 year old lawyer when he can date the sexy 25 year old high school teacher? Women date up, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 01:26 PM
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I’m assuming more of a single mother scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 08:19 PM
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Evolution doesn’t care about your happiness, it cares about obtaining the best possible genes and having those genes survive to future generations—AF/BB is a brilliant strategy for achieving this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 08:15 PM
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TLDR: Women are merely acting rational based on the conditions that MEN initially set In the sexual market economy women are the buyers and men are the sellers. The problem is that men are very “motivated sellers” who flood the market place with cheap and plentiful dick—this wouldn’t be a problem if men only slept/dated their own looks match, but in reality a man who is a 10 will sleep with a 6-10. On the flip side, if a woman who’s a 6 can land an 8, why would she bother with her 6 counterpart?…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 04:12 PM
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Women (especially ones who have their own shit together) want to see that you have your life together as a sort precursor to entering in a relationship with you. This might include you have a house, car, and the ability to afford things like eating out. Stealth wealth shouldn’t be equivalent to looking like you’re struggling or poor—it should really just be the avoidance of flashy displays of wealth, which are what will attract the sort of materialistic women you fear. Nevertheless most women wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 04:00 PM
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They matter—just not nearly as much as they do to men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 04:29 PM
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I started my post by saying that people focus way to much on men aging while ignoring everything else…and then you did exactly that The entire premise of my post (which you never actually disputed) was that yes men look worse as they age, but that or doesn’t really matter compared to everything else that is getting better that has nothing to do with looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 04:03 PM
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Your average man will be objectively more attractive overall at 35 than he was at 25 When discussing this, people focus way too much on the physical (i.e. “he got fat, bald, etc) but this pales in comparison to literally every other thing that has likely improved (career, income, social standing, social skills, confidence, charisma, etc) For women this dynamic is basically flipped and if you don’t believe me, just hang around RP forums and FDS. 80% of the time it’s young guys and middle aged wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 11:28 PM
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Disagree—I’m the guy that looksmaxed and put myself out there and it did marginally help in the sense that approaching 100 women will yield more success instances compared to 10 even if your success rate stays the same The whole reason I gravitated toward TRP was because I was a tall, traditionally attractive, in good shape guy with a college education and a good job who nevertheless had limited success with women—in other words I figured out that problem was some combination of my personality a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 11:15 PM
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Men also make false equivalencies. When asked what the equivalent of a skinny woman was I’ve heard men say a skinny man. In reality the equivalent of a skinny women is a muscular man
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 11:00 PM
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Na I’m saying it’s so unrealistic that it’s not a viable solution. It’s like incels who say “well if we repeal the 19th amendment, than women blah blah blah. It ain’t happening so there’s no point in entertaining it—hell, women have deception built into their biology when it comes to hidden ovulation
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 02:42 PM
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Bullshitting is a big part of how each gender gets what it wants. Men get sex by implying they want relationships. Women money, support, etc. by implying they’ll provide sex
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 02:07 PM
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Anyone got that one Reddit post where the girl breaks up with her BF for being unambitious and poor only to deeply regret it when she finds out he’s loaded? Some guys don’t like to flaunt their wealth…hell I’ll still take Wendy’s over a fancy restaurant despite making 6 figures
/r/PussyPassDenied23/03/22 03:42 PM
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Well note that both my reasons for men aging better relative to women have absolutely nothing to do with anything that can be controlled: We place a high value on female youth/beauty Women age quicker from a biological standpoint This doesn’t mean a lot of men aren’t balding and out of shape at 40, but that it means less to your average women, than the aging of his female counterpart does to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 11:32 AM
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In the software/tech world you’d make the money and blend in!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 11:27 AM
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The first two are within your control and the last one can probably be hidden if you take a more methodical approach to your social interactions
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 02:54 AM
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The assumption is that you’ve gotten better in your provisioning qualities as well. If you stay in good shape, make good money, and have adequate social skills dating as a man in your 30’s isn’t that tough
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 02:01 AM
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I’d argue that male vulnerability is a lot like salt on food—a little bit enhance the food—a lot just makes it gross
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 07:42 PM
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I think age really matters here: A 20 year old couple is one where the women is both in her physical prime and invests waaaay more effort into her appearance relative to the man Conversely, with most middle aged couples I find myself shocked at how bad the woman looks compared to the guy. Simply put, your average women is going to age much worse then your average guy. This is not only based on society placing a high value on a woman’s looks but we also have science which suggests women age at an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 07:37 PM
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It’s not needing to be better than men—it’s an arms race amongst women… When the standard is wearing makeup, you can’t be the girl in the group with none on…or if you go to the beach and everyone is wearing Brazilian or thong bikinis, you can’t be the one girl wearing the conservative one piece. Ultimately I’d argue that it’s less about competing with men and more about women competing with each other for attention
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 03:44 AM
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Is the issue of MtF trans women invading lesbian dating apps/spaces as big of a problem as I’ve heard it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 01:28 PM
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I think it was okCupid which found that roughly 70% of women who identified as bisexual exclusively messaged men. Likewise, around 80% of bisexual men also exclusively messaged men!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 01:24 PM
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I’m making the assumption that men are socially competent enough to pick out indications of interest while also knowing their SMV in the eyes of women—this may very well be a bad assumption. Regardless, the problem in todays society is not that most men are too bold and daring when it comes to women…the reality is quite the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 08:57 PM
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Women make their interest known passively in a “here I am, feel free to come talk to me” sort of way. They remove the barriers, lower the shield, and make their presence more apparent. All of this is with the expectation that you as the guy she’s interested in will take notice and actively initiate. In OLD this statistically equates to women swiping right to 20% of men but only willing to actively start a conversation with 5%. Accordingly, as a man it basically becomes a “you miss 100% of the sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 08:46 PM
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Unfortunately we live in the age of emotion now more than ever and it’s even bleeding over into mens coping mechanisms which is why you have doompill/blackpill/incel types that are basically sitting around whining about the problem or crapping on women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:21 AM
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Expanding on this: It’s a reactionary movement first and foremost designed to help men succeed in the modern sexual market place—it’s not a attempt to turn back time to the 1950s. In fact most successful RP men would hate if society were more traditional because it would stifle the sexual abundance of the modern era. RP men are not trad-cons, which is why the term trad-con exists in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:47 PM
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Depends on your definition of feminism. Ideal feminism is basically egalitarianism Modern Feminism in practice is the advocation of female privilege Radical feminism is basically a female supremacy movement In most case, people (not just women) pick and chose the parts of ideology that jive with whatever their beliefs happen to be. Case in point, most women are more than happy to advocate for more women in positions of power, yet they don’t bring the same energy to including women in the draft…t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:35 PM
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When men say they can’t find sex/relationships they mean it in absolute terms When women say they can’t find sex/relationships they mean with men they find worthy of it. That’s the difference and it’s why men tend to be unsympathetic to women’s dating gripes. It’s basically this meme that was making the rounds a month ago
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:18 PM
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FDS isn’t an advice sub, it’s a support sub. Case in point, if you sort their posts by top of all time it’s nothing but memes shitting on men in order to help women cope—conversely TRPs top posts are focused more toward advice and strategies. Women want to feel better about the problem, men want to solve the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:56 PM
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Using averages in this situation is a bit misleading here because it includes “non-target demographics”. For example, we hear that 70% of women are overweight or obese, but when you narrow that down to women in prime dating age (18-35) it’s quite a bit lower. Same dynamic applies to lay counts with women. Average lay count might be 7 when including the whole country but your average redditor probably lives in or near a major city where women have higher counts
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 03:52 PM
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Women place a high value on men with money, education, and status, which makes them genuine points worth mentioning when trying to attract women Women can use it as a signaling device to let men know what sort of guy they’re looking for—similar to men emphasizing their active lifestyle and love of working out as a subtle way of saying “no fatties”. Many women also assume that being a high earner or being educated is just as attractive to men as it makes men attractive to them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 05:02 PM
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I agree with your observation but not your conclusion. It’s not that you develop a victim mentality, it’s that you just don’t develop at all…as you note, when you see yourself as the prize, what’s the incentive to develop the sort of skills necessary to sustain a long term relationship? This is why I suspect many Hollywood relationships don’t last—both parties are so used to being chased that when there’s no one willing to do the chasing, the relationship just goes to shit. No expand this to inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 03:54 PM
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The sexual market place went from just your hometown to being global thanks to the internet. Undoubtedly, that’s going to skew your perception of how attractive you are
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 03:34 PM
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It’s all about expectation vs reality. What made me seek out TRP in the first place was that my success with women wasn’t what I expected based on the objectively good things I had going for me. I got laid more than most men but nothing close to what I would have considered the ideal
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:34 AM
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You’re not wrong, but the whole premise of this thread is that men and women alike are unhappy with the modern dating dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:09 AM
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Women could legally and financially do whatever they wanted to—except when they got married, at which point the man was held responsible. Despite knowing that, women still voluntarily got married
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:57 PM
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Wrong. https://www.britannica.com/topic/coverture
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:29 PM
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Comments like yours seem to imply that men have spent most of human history lounging around while women were indentured servants. We forget that for the 99% of human history men spent their lives doing back breaking labor or dying in wars. Life sucked for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:18 PM
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Yea but what most people glorify when they think “Trad” is post war America, not present day Afghanistan. We glorify modernity and yet female happiness has been continually decline since the 1970’s while male happiness is on the rise. Is anyone shocked that lowering expectations for commitment/marriage while making casual sex the norm has decreased Women’s happiness? Congratulations ladies, you played yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:11 PM
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It wasn’t “fair” and yet women are increasingly less happy in our age of increasing fairness You’re definitely right, as a RP man myself I would never want to go back to the days when men were expected to settle down and provide for one women. Today is a free for all when it comes to casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:02 PM
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So let’s apply a little bit of game theory to sexual dynamics… The trad lifestyle was very cooperative in nature. Men/women had defined roles and their was a certain fairness about the exchange that took place. You scratch my back I scratch yours type thing Modern dating is very much winner take all and looking out for your own interests at the expense of others. Effectively those who hold power maximize their own interests at the expense of others. Chads pump and dump women, Stacie’s maximize A…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 05:27 PM
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Butts are objectively superior. Explanation: https://youtu.be/iCeFBmpht6Q
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:09 PM
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Humans tend to take the path of least resistance as their circumstances allow. Attractive people giving starfish sex doesn’t surprise me at all because their minds, sex with them Is the prize so why perform? Even the girl in this case implied that she kinda got off on the guys status…not anything that she saw or felt during sex, but simply that he was an athlete. I guarantee the guy is used to this phenomenon, which lets him get away with being a bit lazy in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:57 PM
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Common Interpretation (from a male perspective): a rapid decrease in a woman’s sexual desirability and SMV RP definition (from a woman’s perspective): The realization by a woman that she can no longer compete with her younger self when it comes to attracting men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:52 AM
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I’m saying that increasingly small number of men are getting all the sexual access similar to how an increasingly small number of men are getting access to all the money
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:25 AM
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That’s where you’re wrong: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:56 AM
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You’re 100% right. Women are people too and they have their flaws just like men. However, men hate this because it kills their ego investment in the Disney fantasy and women hate it because exposing female nature means it’s hard to dupe men in getting willfully exploited
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 07:14 PM
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Men are slowly waking up. The existence of TRP (which is a reaction to modern sexual dynamics) proves this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 07:11 PM
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Not only are men increasingly sexless but they increasingly get a peak behind the curtain in a manor that is slowly dissolving the “women are wonderful effect”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 06:14 PM
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More We have: - Open hypergamy - More statistics and research then ever before on the the realities of dating, sex, and attraction - increasing sexlessness that mimics the wealth gap (I.e. an increasingly small number of men have access to all female sexuality) - The absolute mess that is social media/dating apps and it’s impact on human interaction
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 05:51 PM
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Bro…it’s Tinder. It’s not a dating app it’s a hook up app. When the algorithm prioritizes putting sexy Chads in front of women it’s doing exactly what it was designed to do. If the goal is serious dating and long term relationships, there are other apps and websites designed with that in mind
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 03:26 PM
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Men are stupid for being short sided and prioritizing looks at the expense of everything else (looks still matter, but other qualities matter too) Women are stupid for only going for their superiors and failing to develop themselves beyond their physicalities Ultimately, the common trend IMO is a short term mind set when it comes to dating and pairing up. Compared to our grandparents generation, people are looking for cheap thrills instead of what’s best for the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 02:12 PM
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You’re right and to my knowledge (based on studies) most people do tend to end up with their looks match. The man can certainly be much higher SMV due to all the other qualities that OP mentioned despite this though. The problem is that women typically age in such a way where this dynamic leaves them with little to offer the man in the long term because as we’ve agreed, he didn’t select for those other qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:58 PM
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Men in particular are able to compartmentalize sex and disassociate it from the emotional aspects of relationship way more than women can. Accordingly, I do think men can love one women, have sex with another and it be “just sex”. Regardless, that doesn’t excuse doing it and the pain it will cause a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:21 PM
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Here’s why there’s such a difference: In both cases you could argue that the optics of sex you usage are that people use them when they don’t have access to a partner to fulfill there sexual desires. Now let’s break it down a bit. How does society perceive a man who is horny and lacks sexual access to women? A loser basically Conversely, how does society perceive a women who is horny but lacks sexual access to men? She’s just seen as more sexually available/open One triggers a “this guy must be …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:14 PM
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Incels generally resent women. Players don’t resent women, they simply adhere to their own sexual prerogatives while disregard a woman’s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 07:03 PM
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In both cases the common theme is that neither will acquiesce to the female sexual imperative. Incels provide nothing of value to women Players won’t commit and are therefore antithetical to a woman’s mating strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 04:30 PM
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adversity is important to make men strong “Men have it hard because life is easy” is a very counter-intuitive point, but it’s overwhelmingly true. Male nature demands conflict and strife that must be overcome though the actions of a dedicated team of guys. This is very obvious when looking at the sorts of substitutes that men gravitate toward like contact sports and video games. Without it, the male brain ends up aimless and depressed
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:08 PM
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Women avoid slamming into the wall as long as possible while men are born into the wall and have to break out Most of your life as a man is spent proving to society and to women that you have value. Meanwhile a woman has intrinsic value in a way that creates a lot of envy in men. On the other hand, Women look at the world through an apex fallacy and think that men have it so easy since they’re over represented in positions of wealth and authority, but they don’t see all the work it took to get t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:59 PM
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An actual nuanced answer on PPD?!? WTF…in all seriousness though, great informed answer. There’s way too many people on this sub that are just people with opinions on male/female dynamics, who only have surface level knowledge of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 11:24 PM
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It is for you, but in the eyes of women that’s like saying that you went from a heavy heroin user to a casual heroin user—good for you, but the standard is to not be a heroin user period. In your case, you’re still not out of the woods. Very obese to mildly obese is still obese. Accordingly, you likely haven’t broken through the threshold to even be considered close to your physical prime. Women don’t care about the struggle, they hang out at the finish line a fuck the winners. In your case, Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:11 PM
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Because the average American is grossly out of shape in a way that human evolution never intended, therefore it’s not a standard we should promote or accept as normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:29 PM
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Let’s say your average 30 year old American man/women in the 1940’s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:19 PM
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We’ll consider that close to 60% of Americans are overweight/obese and it’s no longer a matter of my personal opinion on beauty so much as it is that our bodies have objectively become physically deformed due to our terrible diets
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:39 AM
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Correction: Most people have really shitty bodies
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 09:29 PM
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I think part of the disconnect here is short vs long term female sexual strategy… Short term: Relatively similar to a man’s sexual strategy (I.E. physical traits and raw sexual appeal) Long term: “Demisexual”. Admittedly it seems like women aren’t in awe of a man’s looks in the long term if the relationship sucks otherwise. Conversely men will date a woman with a personality disorder if she’s hot and the sex is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:02 PM
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0 Kids 0 mental illness 0 body count
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 06:35 PM
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A good portion of TRP is just applied Evolutionary Psychology. Male and female dating strategies and habits for example are very common sense when viewed through the lens of Evo Psych. If anyone is looking for a good book, read “The Ape That Understood The Universe”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:09 PM
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The problem is on both sexes: Men select women who only bring their youth and attractiveness to the table Women often fail to develop themselves in ways that bring more to the table then just their looks and youth It might suck but in general women are a depreciating asset when it comes to sexual market value. If all you have to offer is your beauty, then what happens when that beauty fades?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 05:51 AM
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More often then not women rationalize a situation where she knows Chad is unavailable by doing some variant of “Well I don’t see him as relationship material anyways…” Sure ladies, sure. Although I’ll admit some women just really enjoy the thrill and validation they get from having copious amounts of casual sex (I.e. “ratchet hoes”)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:13 PM
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Men’s Sexual Strategy: Unlimited access to unlimited sexuality Chads can capitalize on this so they have no incentive to compromise (I.e. entertain a woman’s sexual strategy) This Chad did exactly what you’d expect him to do when a Chad becomes self aware of his sexual market value Women happily fuck Chad but then get angry and confused when he won’t commit. After all, “if I’m good enough for sex, aren’t I good enough for a relationship?!?” Says your average woman. Sorry ladies, but a man’s thre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:02 PM
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Because you’re killing their blue pill fantasies and dispelling the myth that “women are just as horny and sexual as men if only men would [insert female grievances here]” Do women like sex? Absolutely, but most women are also very pragmatic about it being a tool for extracting what they desire out of men (relationships, commitment, security, and provisioning), but knowledge of this reveals the overwhelmingly transactional nature of male/female relationships which makes love feel inauthentic—kil…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:48 PM
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TLDR: Women love the experience of an emotional roller coaster OP you ever watch daytime TV? It’s all Talk shows and soap operas that have one thing in common; they make you feel indignation and women fucking love it. Women are emotional creatures that were born to feel. What kills a relationship is rarely when a woman is mad or hates your guts—it’s when she feels nothing and this is what most “comfortable” relationships lead too. Women will stay with cheaters, abusers, and all sorts of shitty d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:40 PM
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it’s all looks Unfortunately for most inexperienced men I’d say that’s probably true. Men will forgive a lot of bad behavior and personality issues if a woman is hot. Although with time you quite realize that a woman being hot when she has nothing else going for her isn’t going to equate to lasting long term compatibility and success.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:21 PM
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To see such honesty about female nature is quite refreshing. Bravo!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:15 PM
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One of the biggest mistakes is assuming that the opposite sex thinks like you do. Your average women doesn’t fuck a guy she doesn’t see as relationship material (as OP notes a man’s SMV and RMV are basically the same). Women assume men think like this too, so they’re shocked, confused, and angered when a 9/10 Chad will fuck her 6/10 ass but not commit—after all “If I’m good enough to fuck, aren’t I good enough for a relationship” she thinks?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:06 PM
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When A woman can either share an alpha or have her own dedicated beta, you’ll find that many young women are inclined to take the first option leading to many women in their 20’s not settling down with a traditional BF. Note, that being unable to get a girlfriend is really a young man’s problem. Very few men have the same problem in their 30s…See exhibit A
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:21 PM
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If you have to ask whether she’s interested in you she’s probably not. Getting “mixed signals” = not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:13 PM
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Ask that same question to your average married man and you might be surprised at the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:07 PM
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In this context, that doesn’t apply because you’ve just met the girl. In a relationship, telling women you feel loved or appreciated through sex often doesn’t work either. The spigot of sex is controlled through a woman’s genuine desire for you more then through negotiation. You can’t negotiate desire and when you try the relationship becomes transactional which many men recognize as being inauthentic
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:52 PM
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Women have two Options when they run into an unobtainable Chad: Attempt to lock him down only to be met with problems like cheating, dark triad behavior, etc that end in her blasting out “Why are men such scum!” On social media Enjoying being a member of his soft harem for a little while until she finds “relationship material” aka a non-Chad who is willing to commit because he has few options. Neither of these are really ideal for women so they have to cope by saying “well Chad Isn’t the kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:45 PM
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INB4: “But you get to be in a relationship with her, while the other guys just got sex!” Just stop ladies…just stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:35 PM
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Urgent sexual desire essentially equates to authenticity when it comes to a woman’s interest. In other words she wants you in the purest possible sense vs the transactional style of love/sex that OP talks about in his post. Although, honestly most men are blissfully unaware of genuine vs transactional sex/love so they don’t even care, but in our world of open hypergamy, it’s starting to smack men right in the face that to accept transactional love/sex is to be a chump
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:30 PM
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The speed with which you get sex serves as a proxy for desire in many case. “Women make rules for betas, and break them for alphas” Men want to be the guy that women break rules for. People act like men are hypocritical when we say that we don’t want promiscuous women but also want them to put out early. What were really saying is that we want is a woman to be so into us that she is willing to put out when she usually doesn’t. A women who withholds sex like isn’t that into you, while a woman who…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:23 PM
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Staying in shape requires a level of effort and discipline that your average person just doesn’t have. Accordingly, they change their strategy to changing the social narrative (“big is beautiful”)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 12:14 AM
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When women say they don’t like jacked men, it’s usually with the understanding that dating such men comes with expectations from him about her physical fitness that she’ll never be able to achieve so they save face by saying they prefer a “dad bod”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:34 PM
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What surveys show is that most women prefer lean muscle aka swimmer’s body. Interestingly women’s preferred amount of muscle tends to increase with age
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:33 PM
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In life you have operate based on how life is not how life should be. Accordingly, I get my ass in the gym to try and look like a Greek god and believe it or not it’s pretty much the easiest way to turn yourself into a top tier guy in a way that is very much in your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:48 PM
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Female Slim = male jacked Guys love to bitch that “men have to be muscular while women just have to be thin” but it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:41 PM
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If you look at the first hand experience of many trans people you’ll find evidence of this. FtM’s for example will describe not only having a much higher sex drive on T, but also how they started to be much more laser focused on specific features. It’s almost that opposite with estrogen, where you start see people as a whole instead of just a few specific features. I think a lot of this is fairly obvious when you look at the attract standards for men and women. Men need one thing they can essent…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 01:53 PM
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Governments would be unlikely to support this because it’s not in their interest. We already know that 2 parent households are one of the best predictors of a child’s successful upbringing. Meanwhile, we also know that single mothers and their children tend to be more more reliant on social services and government money over the course of their lives while also costing the government money due to criminal justice costs and and like (kids of single mothers are much more likely to go to drop out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:20 PM
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Funny because the science on hormones says the opposite…testosterone leads to feature specific attraction (I.e. butt, boobs, legs) and estrogen leads to whole person attraction (I.e. sum of all features and personality traits)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 07:32 PM
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Something like 40% of nutritionists are overweight, which tells you that discipline is the issue not knowledge. Regardless of what your hormones are, your body has an maintenance level for calories. Yours could be more or less then mine depending on height, weight, gender, etc but ultimately Consume less and you’ll lose weight, consume more and you’ll gain. Overweight people act as though their body is the only one that somehow violates the laws of thermodynamics (I.e. “all I had this week was t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 04:23 PM
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Calories in calories out. Lay off the copium, stop stuffing your face, and get in the gym
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:18 PM
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Agreed. I’ve known plenty of women who like thug type dudes, which by a lot of peoples standard is not a rational choice in mate, but for some people, a thug is basically an alpha male in whatever environment they grew up in
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 02:29 PM
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Not sure who’s giving this sort of advice out, but it sure as hell missed the US. Women here are encouraged to be aggressive, outspoken, and “take no shit” boss bitch types.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 12:17 AM
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Patrice also has a joke where he’d ask a random woman in the audience how she’d attract a man if she lost her pussy in a tragic accident and like clockwork, the woman would always say something to the effect of “well I still have my mouth” which would set Patrice up for the punch line of “This is the problem with women, you reduce yourselves to a series of holes”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 11:51 PM
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Right you are. Women hit the wall, men are born into the wall and have to escape
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 07:31 AM
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Yea it’s bizarre to me that people can see clear as day that anorexia is a dangerous health problem tied to an eating disorder, yet no one considers obesity a dangerous health problem tied to an eating disorder…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 07:32 PM
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Your upbringing in terms of eating habits sounds almost exactly the same as mine. Both sides of my family are obese and we definitely had a “clean plate club” mentality. Ultimately, the western world would be in much better shape if we just acknowledged that our eating habits are overwhelmingly responsible for our situation instead of blaming factors that are basically insignificant like 1% discrepancies in genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:18 PM
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Ideal woman according to men: young, beautiful, and sexually available Ideal man according to women: attractive, wealthy, successful, powerful, confident, socially skilled Based on this criteria women peak early while men peak later in life. And you can easily witness this for yourself by visiting various relationship forums on Reddit and seeing who the demographics are that are complaining. Overwhelmingly it’s young men who complain about not being able to attract women, while it’s older women …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:14 PM
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A woman who is a 6+ in looks can get men just based on looks. A man has to be more like 9+, which is basically a top 1% guy. In other words, it’s not a realistic strategy for nearly every man on earth
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:07 PM
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Underappreciated answer right here. We’re so used to seeing men “in the raw” but how much can we really say that about women? While there are plenty of make up vids where a 5 turns into an 8, which many people have seen, we now have picture filtering and high waisted pants that make pooches and cottage cheese disappear in an instant. Meanwhile most men don’t even bother to pluck their unibrows
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:02 PM
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Finally some truth. Blaming genetics is the biggest cope when it comes to weight gain. No one wants to take responsibility for themselves, especially women when it comes to this issue
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:53 PM
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"a world without whales. It's too terrible to imagine." - Pierce Brosnan
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:45 PM
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Being up for consideration in the eyes of women isn’t about having one really good quality (looks, money, etc.) it’s about meeting the minimum standard for a list of 60 different criteria
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:29 AM
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Welcome to 21st century dating where the sex is given out so freely by women, that a woman who won’t bang on the third date is labeled a prude
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:16 PM
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Reality: Women are the gatekeepers for sex and commitment Reality accord to women: “Chad won’t commit! Men are the gatekeepers to commitment!”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:13 PM
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I recall seeing research which found that in the context of LTRs people overwhelmingly end up with their looks match
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:11 PM
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On a macro scale there’s almost no such thing as irrational behavior and this includes women. People simply respond based on the conditions of the game and the incentives it provides
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:06 PM
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Let us not forget that in the animal kingdom it is typically the males of the species who are flashy and ornate
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:39 PM
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Manager A: Posts a job ad and gets 1000 interested candidates Manager B: Posts a job ad and gets 3 interested candidates If you’re manager A, how do you even sort through 1000 people in a realistic amount of time? He might reject all people that don’t have a college degree or anyone who has less than 5 years experience. In doing so he may turn alway some potentially great employees, but that’s just how it goes. Women face a similar problem in online dating, so they do things like only going afte…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:20 PM
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TLDR: Women have an abundance mentality because in reality their are hordes of thirst dudes throwing themselves at her at any given time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 02:58 PM
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You can pull the female mind out of the Stone Age, but you can’t pull the Stone Age out of the female mind… You have to consider the reality that women’s rights, female work place participation, and hormonal birth control are all very very recent phenomena in the big scheme of things. Accordingly, human evolution isn’t close to catching and women still prioritize a mating strategy that was more applicable 10,000 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:00 PM
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Basically. Whether it be my own anecdotal experience or dating site data, men are much more realistic about dating their equals, while women seem to always want that guy that’s 2 points higher then their own SMW, only to be shocked when the guy will bang her but not commit
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:49 PM
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Men being 6ft+ in height: height is uncontrollable and statistically only 15% of men fit this criteria
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:38 PM
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When a man says women aren’t interested In him, he means literally no women are interested in him When a women says no men are interested in her she’s means that no men she finds attractive are interested in her
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:32 PM
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Male vs female attraction: TLDR: you have to meet the minimums for a whole checklist of factors to be considered by a women—men are attracted to to women who simply have one or two redeeming qualities "Men's sexual desire is activated by a single "yes", so the woman only has to have something about her that turns men on, and it's enough. having more is better obviously, but even having just nice tits is enough for women to be desirable by men. women's sexual desire is activated by an absence of …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:34 AM
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Could just be a case of making necessity a virtue. If 70% of women are overweight or obese, limiting yourself to the 30% who aren’t really kills your odds of finding a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:29 PM
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Most incels still want a woman, so much so that they fixate on them obsessively…they just feel like the deck is stacked against them, yet these are guys that will gladly white knight and claim that their betrothed isn’t like other women (aka the kind that he shat on for years). It’s not rational thinking, it’s emotional reactivity
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:47 AM
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You’re not wrong, but the difference is that that took a good 100 years or so, whereas becoming a RP alpha type guy can happen in a year and it’s totally based on your own motivations as opposed to some collective societal consciousness—Even then, convincing men about the awesomeness of casual sex and loosening the rains on women is pretty obvious, whereas there’s no really benefit to men when it comes to “big is beautiful”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:35 AM
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The problem with modern women is that instead of putting forth the effort to attract a Chad (drop the weight, be more feminine, etc.), they’d rather put that effort into changing the narrative at a societal level about what a man should want. Y’all can hate TRP, but at its core, it’s all about becoming the sort of man a women would actually be attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:45 PM
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I’m more of a blue jay guy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:37 PM
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This experiment has been done more times then I can count and yet everyone acts as though the outcome is somehow shocking. Chad and Stacy have a huge advantage, especially in online dating where physical attractiveness is the biggest factor—case closed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:19 PM
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No because for most men it’s not just about sex—it’s about love, acceptance, validation, and having committed partnership too. Prostitution only solves 20% of the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:15 PM
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There are only three things that are guaranteed in life: Death, taxes, and male thirst
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:48 PM
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Look at how women operate on social media these days—there modus operandi is all about attention and validation. Getting approached by men feeds into that
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:52 PM
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Humans will always seek out maximum advantage for minimal effort, whether it be a woman or a man. The human mating dynamic is such that men are the pursuers by virtue of being the less discriminate sex going after the more selective sex. When we see this dynamic manifest itself in birds through elaborate mating dances, bringing shiny gifts, or building a nest for the female we don’t think twice about it—yet in the context of humans we say “well that’s not fair! Why does the guy have to do so muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 02:27 PM
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I’d straight up argue that women ruined it by using “husband/boyfriend material” as a soft rejection. Plenty of women use this to imply “you’d be great for someone else…just not me” Plus, with open hypergamy, men are starting to recognize that womens actions don’t match their words—the men they enthusiastically fuck rarely end up being called “husband material” 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 06:25 PM
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That comment was more for the average person in the thread. To your point, if we look at average man vs average woman, men eventually have an easyier time getting dates relative to the effort they put in but it takes quite awhile—as in age 45+. For men this seems like forever because it might as well be, but it’s really not truely forever…it’s a long time to wait for the advantage. Regardless even basic efforts can shoot you straight into the top 20%. Case in point, just being in shape as a midd…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:09 PM
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THE WALL What it is: A woman’s internal realization that she can no longer compete for men in the sexual marketplace like she could when she was younger, hotter, tighter. What it is not: Women automatically become less attractive/desirable when they hit some arbitrary age
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:00 PM
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A few pictures of an average unwaxed, unshaven women without makeup will change your mind very quickly on this topic. Hell just google “celebrities without makeup” or “pornstars without make up” and you’ll see a lot of women who look like they’re recovering from the flu or teenage acne. Women simply put more effort into their looks and have an entire industry built around it. Conversely, your average can go above and beyond by simply practicing basic hygiene and doing a little manscaping
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:14 PM
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Replacing men with the state is having your cake and eating it too for hypergamy. When the government fulfills the role of beta provider, the woman is free to go after alpha fucks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 11:33 PM
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TRP is mostly applied evolutionary psychology. Don’t attribute to hypergamy what can be explained by self-preservation is a bit redundant because they’re one in the same
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 12:42 PM
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“The Existential Fear in women is that their innate Hypergamous Filter, their Feminine Intuition, might be fooled, and by being fooled she may either die or have her reproductive potential compromised for her lifetime by bearing and raising the child of man who is a suboptimal Hypergamous choice for her – a man who exerted his will over her Hypergamous choosing filters.” -Rollo Tomassi, Women’s Existential Fear https://therationalmale.com/2019/03/11/womens-existential-fear/amp/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 01:15 PM
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This is an important distinction here. I’ve known many women who enjoy the novelty of having sex with new partners but are otherwise vanilla in committed relationships. This sort of dynamic is very counter intuitive, but for vanilla people, one of the few ways to spice it up is to simply experience different partners, whereas kink often requires the sort of trust and communication you’ll only get in a committed relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 04:01 AM
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The problem is that you’re fighting a prisoners dilemma style problem here. You can keep your standards as high as you’d like but chances are that some other guy will come along and “under bid” for the same girl. As a man you really don’t come into a position of power until you’re well into your 30’s—even then, your ability to make demands is only valid for woman who are past their prime anyway, who are likely to be women you’re less attracted to in the first place. The lesson here is that you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 04:27 AM
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TRP isn’t really concerned with maintaining long term relationships, it’s about exploiting female nature to shift the odds and outcomes in favor of a man’s sexual strategy. Traditional relationship advice (better communication blah blah blah) is about maintaining the homeostasis required create the sort of egalitarian LTR that most people desire. Unfortunately, in our gynocentric society, this dynamic rarely results in a compromise between male and female sexual strategies and tends to favor wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 02:34 AM
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Men believe this interest is the result of their innate desirability, leading to an augmented sense of self and a tendency to become 'accidental Casanovas' with bad habits like cheating, 'ghosting' and stringing women along in casual flings. So women don’t like it when men behave like your average women in their early 20s…lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 01:38 PM
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I’m not even talking about BF/GF; I’m talking about banging a girl you meet off tinder or at the club type thing
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 02:13 AM
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30 years ago this might have been true when tattoos were still a bit rare and taboo, but these days…no. Also, it’s very dependent on who the guy is. I remember dorky kids in high school who’d wear leather jackets, trench coats and other “edgy” clothing thinking it’d make them look cool—it didn’t. It just made them look even more cringey
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 09:12 PM
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Top tier men get waaaay more casual sex without having to commit or be in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 09:03 PM
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If we assume that a woman’s sexual strategy can be boiled down to seeking men who provide: Provisioning and resources (beta bucks) Good genetics, dominance, sexy traits (alpha fucks) In modern times, the beta bucks side of things is overwhelmingly taken care of by either the woman herself, her parents, or the state so that she’s free to pursue alpha fucks Women are picky…when it comes to alpha fucks. Men are arguing that they should be picky in terms of selecting stable providers—it’s a differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 04:50 PM
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Whether it’s marriage, dating, or prostitution you’re paying for it, but with marriage you’re paying the most and you’re paying for the inability to easily walk away when things go to shit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 04:06 PM
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Men want sex—hell I’d argue that men need sex in a committed relationship to feel loved. Marriage is already a questionable proposition when it comes to having a good sex life, but add kids into the mix and it becomes many times worse. Pregnancy and post birth are times when women can’t have sex for perfectly valid reasons (which is why these are likely hot spots for cheating), but even afterwards it’s a minefield of body image issues and “I’m just touched out” on top of sex/passion tending to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 03:15 PM
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Amen brother. This is always countered with “Statistically married men having more sex then single men” in absolute terms…and indoor cats eat better then outdoor cats, but who’s having more fun and living with greater freedom?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 02:40 PM
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“The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it.” When everything is said and done, most decent men will be in a long term relationship by the time they’re middle aged, but far too many men settle for the first women they can find who is somewhat attractive and isn’t terrible to be around (Note the deliberate minimal standard implied here). This is especially true for men who end up married/committed before the age of 30.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 03:53 AM
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Lesbians have a very high rate of orgasm/sexual satisfaction while also have much lower rates of having sex when compared to heterosexual couples and gay men—so no it’s not a mater of “well if women were just having better sex…”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 03:40 PM
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I’d certainly agree that that’s part of the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:18 PM
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Unfortunately with the rise of the internet, social media, gaming etc. we’ve created an environment in which men can essentially check out of society and subsist, thereby never being forced to develop themselves like in previous generations. Simultaneously, men get sold a bad batch of information on the realities of male/female dynamics along with bad advice—but what incentive do they have to change? We’re moving toward a society where the only real winners in a gynocentric society are a small p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 01:30 PM
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Feeling like a dancing monkey that has to perform to get a woman’s interest is a pretty common complaint in RP circles because it’s true for most part. Men perform, women chose. They hold the power because of male thirst—it’s a supply and demand problem. And yea most women don’t have exceptional personalities because they don’t need to. Your average 25 year old women receives nothing but validation if they’re at least average looking or better
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 12:12 PM
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Hormonal birth control plays a huge role here too. Once women could control how many kids they had based on their life circumstances and unique desires, we quickly found out that while most women still want kids, they typically don’t want the 6 or 7 that their great grandmother had—hormonal birth control combined with the availability of abortion, essentially gave women unilateral control over reproduction in an unprecedented way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 11:21 PM
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Because men have a pathetic thirst for women in a way that doesn’t exist the other way around, thereby putting the power in woman’s hands Most men fall into the category of desperate chump, choosing beggar, top-tier guy who can actually get his pick, which is why the men of this sub advocating becoming top-tier Even in so called patriarchal societies, it’s rarely the man choosing, but his and a potential woman’s parents coming together and deciding the relationship is a good fit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 04:34 PM
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There’s a reason that the most common ways people meet are work, social circles, and non-hookup dating sites—in all three cases the woman has time to feel you out and decide if you possess the sort of traits she desires in a low threat manor. Approaching random women and using hookup sites like Tinder are best left to bonafide Chad’s that have raw universal sex appear—everyone else should stick to the methods listed above
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 03:50 PM
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When humans evolved over thousands of years, reproduction was costly in terms resources (new mouthes to feed). Accordingly, having kids and providing for them adequately was something that could only be done with extra resources available. In modern times this equates to women caring about a mans earning potential among other things. Regarding why women can get away with this—women have inherent value at a societal level, whereas a man has to prove his worth. This naturally translates into diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 05:52 AM
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Finding: men who demonstrate long term commitment should theoretically have wives who enjoy being valued for sex Seemingly conflicting reality: demonstrated long term commitment more often than not leads to dead bedroom situations…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:31 AM
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Marriage is a bait and switch waiting to happen when it comes to sex—full stop It’s not even a matter of women doing things with other man and not with you (I’ve done way more with my wife than any other man) but the passion and urgency with sex definitely fades over time and per the research, it’s more of a female phenomenon than a male one. Why? A few theories: Most women understand that sex is a tool they can use to lure a man in and get commitment. Once they secure that commitment they can “…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 01:03 AM
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Men definitely have more restraint than people give them credit for, but Im still amazed at how some guys are willing to sacrifice everything just to bang the new hottie in the office
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 01:39 PM
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Each party is simply playing to their strengths to get what they want…resources in the case of women and an attractive women in the case of men. Plenty of men are happy to be “used” because in their minds, transactional relationships with women are the standard. Requiring genuine attractive/desire (and the lack of it) is something a lot of people don’t take issue with until they feel the tertiary effects of it in the form of their partner not holding up to their end of the bargain—for men this u…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 02:49 PM
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The stats show that women typically for men a few years older than themselves, but as women need men less and less for provisioning I could certainly see them going for younger, more physically attractive alpha men over time
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 02:41 PM
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When women push these sorts of arguments it’s usually tied into “where are all the marriage worthy men?!?” Narrative. The issue isn’t that the guy can’t take care of himself it’s that he gives off the impression that he can’t provide the sort of lifestyle that would appeal to a woman. In reality, Most men are great at subsisting, but that’s not very appealing to your average woman
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 02:33 PM
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The thing with SMV disparities is that being the significantly more attractive spouse means your wife is likely more grateful and more eager to please—count your blessings on that. Hot women are a double edged sword…sure they’re more attractive but they’re often high maintenance, have basic bitch personalities/interests, and will spend more time shit testing you because they’re constantly getting validated by other men and being made well aware that they have other options. Hot girls are easy to…
/r/MarriedRedPill22/05/21 02:51 AM
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This is a variation of the classic feminist argument that “if only women weren’t so sexually repressed, they’d be horny all the time just like men” The reality is that women are more sexually selective (lower sex drive, prudish, etc.) because it’s in their interest from an evolutionary standpoint. Women overwhelmingly take on the burden of reproduction and resulting child rearing. Plus, every child she has represents a much bigger portion of her reproductive potential compared to a man who can t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 06:59 PM
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Ehhh statistically it’s really not. At 6’2” you’re already in the top 10th percentile. I think the misconception here is that when people envision “the tall guy” they think of an athlete or someone else with power or celebrity status. Now imagine the lanky, awkward 6’8” guy who’s working a regular minimum wage job
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 08:05 PM
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At some point people just view you as a bit of a freak show. While most women would never take issue with a guy that is 7 ft tall, what about 8? Still ok? How about 10? Eventually you hit a point where its not attractive anymore—that point just isn’t clearly defined
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 06:03 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/the-degrees-of-separation-between-the-genders-in-college-keeps-growing/2019/10/25/8b2e5094-f2ab-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html%3foutputType=amp
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:10 AM
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Women’s liberation and the global sexual marketplace are increasingly become the norm everywhere because of the internet. People tend to think that in patriarchal countries like many of the Arab states that I can’t happen, but it’s really just a matter of time...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:02 PM
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Male privilege: As a man you ain’t shit until you become someone that is useful to society. The typical argument for male privilege is usually based on the apex fallacy where people compare your average women to a top 10th percentile man and say “look!”. Meanwhile, the statistics say that prior to having children, your average women is doing better than your average man in nearly all metrics
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:56 PM
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As others have said, the person that cares the least has the most power. Women, when left to their own devices never seek out their equal—they seek the man that is 1 or 2 SMV higher then them. This intrinsically creates a situation where the man has the power and the woman has to try harder. Also, this all balances out because 9 times out 10, after a few years in the relationship it’s the man who has to try hard and the woman who becomes apathetic and gets the wondering eye
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:43 PM
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I’d counter that by saying look at Olympic athlete Lolo Jones; a women who currently 38 years old and very outspoken about her virginity and saving herself for the right man. Being a virgin is one thing, but the underlying implication is that she’s 38 and still can’t get/find a man...at what point does “there are no good men!” become “what’s wrong with her that she can’t find a man?....” No one would find a 60 year old female virgin enticing, but have no issue with a 20 year old one—clearly at s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 04:00 PM
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A man larping as a women...while telling a story from that perspective of a man...did you even read what you wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 11:45 PM
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Ehhh there’s also quite a few anecdotes floating around from married men who found out that their girls used to do gangbangs and anal only to give their husbands starfish sex...BF/husband often doesn’t equal “guy I’m super attracted too or passionate about” but instead ends up being “guy who is well rounded enough to be commitment worthy”. When the two happen to coincide—great! But more often then not, the man women marry often isn’t the man they fantasize about and that’s a fundamental reason T…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 08:06 PM
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dudes with man buns that drink IPAs are a totally cliche yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:00 PM
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It’s not about military strength, but the will to use it and by extension; foreign policy. Also, takeovers by dominant cultures don’t always happen through violence. Imagine if half the US population were suddenly of Saudi origin as a result of mass immigration —how do you think that would work out for women in this country?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 10:33 PM
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Single mothers are such a topic of conversation for TRP community simply because they’re a common fixture for men in their 30-40s who are having their own awakening. At 40+ nearly every single women you meet is either going to be divorced, a single mother, or a serial monogamist who can’t keep a relationship together...simply put, at that age just about everyone has baggage regardless of your gender. Finding the person who doesn’t is like finding a unicorn. RP men have a special dislike for sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:15 PM
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You’re onto something here. “The bigotry of low expectations” is something society loves to do with women and minorities all the time—basically make an excuse for them which implies that they have no agency and therefore can’t be held responsible for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 03:32 PM
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Because your average woman wants a steady partner not to be a perpetual bachelorette
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:30 PM
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Because true alpha Chad’s are impossible to lock down
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:27 AM
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RPW women is not about women trying to be perfect women in the eyes of RP men—it’s about women co-opting the parts of the RP they like and putting a tradcon spin on it to better suit themselves. So many of the posts are some nicely worded variant of “how can a make my beta male provider into someone I actually want to have sex with”. They’ve basically identified that it’s esquire to turn beta billy into Chad then it is to turn Chad into a good beta provider
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 11:15 PM
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Indeed, which just proves Alpha fucks/beta bucks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 12:13 AM
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Have you seen Reddit...it’s one giant echo chamber
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 07:50 PM
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So it’s about genetics?...in other words we’re right back to alpha fucks/beta bucks lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 07:07 PM
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Yea but the original post is claiming that women overwhelmingly bear the burden of negative outcomes from sex, pregnancy, and child rearing. Yet in absolute terms, sex with a long term partner is probably the least risky...the worst outcome from that is that you pass on some chumps genetics. In other words, we right back to alpha fucks, beta bucks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:46 PM
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I was actually starting to believe this evolutionary risk theory until I read your post and realized that yea you’re totally right. If there is risk, it’s not existential, it’s the risk of passing on the genetics of some chump. In other words, we’re right back to alpha fucks beta bucks. Women certainly do bear the risk of sex/reproduction, but claiming that this is tied to dead bedrooms with a trusted long term partner...yea that’s BS
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:43 PM
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Woman meets an attractive man: “Wow that guy was totally into me! What an ego boost!” Man meets an attractive woman: “Wow that girl was totally into me!...and I can’t even get with her because I’m in a damn relationship”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 09:16 PM
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The goal of evolution is the propagation of ones genes—attracting a mate is just one part of that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:28 PM
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Men tend to think that looks are everything because they’re extrapolating what they value in women to what they think women value in men. Accordingly, saying “I know ugly men who get laid” seems like a real mind-blower of a statement—on the flip side of that, what led me to TRP was being a tall conventionally attractive guy who wasn’t getting laid...this made me realize that it was likely my game/personality more than my looks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 09:41 PM
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Everyone has this idea of what “fake” looks like but usually if fake is done well, you can’t even tell. Accordingly, never cheap out on your cosmetic procedures
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 11:55 PM
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And an indoor cat lives longer then an outdoor cat...but who’s having more fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:40 PM
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Your average mother’s idea of a “proper man” is based on the sort of man she idealizes at her current age not what she wanted at 22. Women’s priorities shift as they get older and dutiful provider starts to be more appealing then hot guy at the foam cannon party. Accordingly, she’ll give you advice that steers you toward dutiful beta provider while completely disregarded her younger preferences as a result of being “young and stupid”. If you want to be a master fisherman you talk to fisherman no…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 07:41 PM
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And you’re one women. I’m not saying that women such as yourself don’t exist, but I’m definitely saying that in general women don’t find submissive men appealing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 07:13 AM
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Evolutionary imperative: A women’s children are her only way of propagating her lineage. A man, even one that she has deep feelings for, is simply a tool for facilitating her evolutionary imperative...once that man has lost his usefulness or is a hinderance to even better options, there’s no point in keeping him around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 03:12 AM
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Femdom is entirely a male-driven fantasy—nothing disgusts women more then men being submissive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 08:27 PM
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In general, a man with a capacity for violence was a man who could protect the women and her children from threats and potentially utilize that violence to secure power, resources, etc. Essentially, it’s to a women’s evolutionary advantage to select for men with a capacity for violence
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/21 03:57 PM
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A privilege doesn’t stop being a privilege just because you don’t appreciate it...this is where men and women have a disconnect on this topic. A women’s ability to get sex is basically a superpower in the eyes of your average man, but most women don’t want casual sex nearly to the same degrees Great point—I think most women would at least admit that they’ve used their sexuality to get non-sex things from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 03:19 PM
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I’ve been in this exact situation, but it’s not about the sex it’s about rejection—most women have little experience with rejection compared to men (so it stings that much more) plus at some level I think your average women understands that her sexuality is one of the greatest weapons she has when it comes to having control of and getting men. When you reject a women who is offering her sexuality to you’re basically telling her that she’s powerless
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 03:13 PM
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The difference is that probably a good 80% of women naturally have game and even if you don’t, simply being at a decent weight and dressing/acting feminine is often plenty to attract a man. The reason I even found TRP because I was an educated, socially well adjusted, conveniently attractive, 6’ 0” tall guy, that despite all of that still wasn’t getting women like I wanted to. As a guy it’s not enough to simply be attractive...you have to be someone that women want to get with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:06 PM
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You’re absolutely right; it’s a human thing not a male vs female thing. The difference is that in today’s society most women are very proficient at gaming men, while only the top 20% of men know anything about gaming women—women are natural game players
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:53 PM
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Humans evolved to be both perpetually dissatisfied with their life situation (which drives us to constantly seek more power and resources) and inclined to take the path of least resistance (work smarter not harder). This naturally leads us to be as cooperative as we need to be to maintain relationships while trying to extract as much from others while expending as little effort as possible. This is why sociopaths are still a thing...it’s weaponized selfishness that if subtle enough, still allows…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:49 PM
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This is why dread game is critical. As you noted, if a woman feels like relationship is a sure thing, it’s human nature for her to not put in as much effort to maintain it—your average man isn’t going to leave if she becomes the fat nagging wife archetype anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:43 PM
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I think you underestimate how picky even below average women can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 05:10 PM
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I agree that this is a very true dynamic. However I’d also argue that women are mostly to blame for this dynamic. They facilitated a sort of arms race to the bottom in which some women realized that they could lure in high-value men by giving up sex earlier than other women. In the old days women basically had a cartel when it came to female sexuality in which they refused to give up sex until men provided commitment usually in the form of marriage. This cartel kept the value a female sexuality …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 11:20 PM
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Fair enough. So let’s go to the reason as explained by evolutionary psychology. Man who get lots of sex = social proof. Nothings easier from a vetting standpoint then to go with the guy that all the other women want too. Women who get lots of sex = no assurance of paternity, which evolutionarily is a mans existential fear
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:37 PM
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Indeed. While the women will get lauded with free drinks and tons of male attention
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:55 PM
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Absolutely correct. Gender at face value seems like arbitrary construct about doing or not doing things based on your biological sex, but we know now more then even that your biological sex manifests itself through differing hormone levels that change the body and the mind. Plus when it comes to nature vs nurture, people seem to hate the idea of genetic determinism—that you are they way you are by something that’s largely beyond your control. Admitting that gender isn’t a social construct essent…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:54 PM
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It’s delusional thinking on the part of men, but it’s understandable nevertheless
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:48 PM
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No one wants to see fat unattractive women on TV—simple as that. In fact, a demographic study found that women in Hollywood are disproportionately young and that their careers end much quicker due to aging when compared to men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:47 PM
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I’d argue the reverse is more common for your first point. HVM with an average/chubby women is lauded as a love concurs all story, while the chubby balding dude with the sexy thin women is met with “why would she date him...”. In fact the “plain Jane” meets hunk is basically the plot line for a majority of female-oriented romance novels/movies. Hell, just look at twilight or 50 shades. This comic basically
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 02:48 PM
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A women who puts out for every man is a slut, but a women who only puts out for you is just proof of your suaveness The slut vs stud dynamic is the way it is simply due for how easy it is for women to get laid vs men. If an average looking women solicits for sex at a bar or club, half the dudes in there will bang her on the spot. If an average looking guy were to do the same, he’s likely to get nothing. At some level, we all understand that sex comes easy to women and it’s a borderline life acco…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 02:36 PM
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Agreed. Unfortunately, many governments have decided that it’s better to screw the guy and have him pay child support then it is for the state to pick up the tab or force the mother to go after the side-dude that knocked her up
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 08:29 PM
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She was a bit irritated in a “why waste your money when you know they’re yours” sort of way, but I had told her in our first few months of dating that I was a strong believer in paternity testing. We’ve had the typical ups and downs, but overall good
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 06:47 PM
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I did with both my kids—both were confirmed mine. In both cases, it was on principle and not due to any sort of suspicion of infidelity. As another person mentioned, there’s a certain comfort that comes with having rock solid proof of paternity. Plus, I’m just a firm believer that paternity testing should be mandatory, so it’s a leading by example thing too. 10/10. Would do again. Best $200 I ever spent
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 04:01 PM
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Considering how fat everyone is, simply being at a healthy weight with a little bit of muscle is plenty for most women—similar to how being thin as a women pretty much makes you a 6/10 by default
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 07:37 PM
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Most men’s complaints stem not from having to “man up” if they want a good women, but because the expectations levied on men are the same as they were 50 years ago while expectations levied on women have gone down
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 07:31 PM
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We sympathize more with people who fit our demographic Plus, women and men tend to cheat for different reasons. Women tend to sympathize with female reasons for cheating as you might imagine
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 07:23 PM
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I have yet to meet a guy who’s like “this girl is super hot and totally into me!...buuuuut she’s 6 feet tall, so that’s going to be a no-go” When women say that men don’t like tall women, it’s basically the same argument as “men are intimidated by successful women”. In both cases it’s women blaming their lack of success on the “fragile male ego”. In reality it’s actually female selectiveness combined with some amount of being unattractive, whether that be in looks or personality. As a general ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 07:11 PM
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“How can anyone fall for someone so obviously terrible?!?” This woman’s dating strategy is basically the female dating equivalent of the Nigerian Prince scam—it’s obvious by design in order to weed out all the people who would eventually wise-up which leaves them with nothing but the biggest suckers who will swallow that shit hook, line, and sinker.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:32 PM
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Everyone women has a type in the same way that some men love blondes or brunettes, but when she envisions her type it’s always some variety of a Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:18 PM
2

Dolph looks like a dude in his 60’s... “Wow 60 year old [aging celebrity] looks terrible compared to 40 years ago...” Yea no shit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:14 PM
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Rating people is an indirect/passive action Messaging people is a direct/active action Ask yourself what type of man actually has the balls to message women on OLD—one who is likely to be a bit more confident and attractive than your average man. Who would an above average man be likely to message? An above average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 02:27 PM
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Disagree: Men and women are fundamentally different creatures who act and require different things when it comes to friendship...things which the opposite can rarely provide to the same degree that a same sex friend can Men have a difficult time separating romantic/sexual feelings from a deepening friendship with a women (ladies can test this by watching how many of their male “friends” drop off the map one they’re no longer single, have kids, etc). Despite everyone thinking of themselves as spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:08 PM
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Modern Feminism = “it hurt itself in its confusion”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 08:47 PM
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Your entire argument is based entirely under the false assumption that looks and youth are valued equally amongst men and women... For the most part women gain almost nothing with age in terms of what attracts men. Age for women equals decreased beauty/fertility and often have more baggage As men age they lose looks but generally gain more wealth, power, and status with each passing year Life isn’t fair—women gain a massive SMV inheritance then lose it quickly, while men start with nothing and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:05 PM
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I love a good boomer hate session as much as the next millennial, but when it comes to the sexual dynamic, the only thing that can be attributed to them is starting the sexual revolution. However, even with the sexual revolution, the sexual dynamic didn’t really start to change until the 90’s 80’s if use peak marriage rates as a guide—this was a gradual change that came about due to slowly (over decades) changing social and cultural conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:03 PM
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Because it hints at some potentially unflattering conclusions about transgenderism and the state of men and women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:47 AM
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People who idolize virgins are usually virgins themselves or haven’t been with one and don’t understand how annoying it is to walk someone through the act of sex while dealing with the various hang ups and preconceived notions about sex they might have. I’m sure most people have heard of the whole “women hit their sexual peak at 40” claim, which I’d argue is somewhat true—not in the sense that women are more sexual attractive at 40, but that by 40 they know what they’re doing and don’t have the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 07:44 PM
1

Very True. In many cases we’ve overcome those sorts of outcomes through technology
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:23 AM
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The best and “sexist” men would no longer be super spreaders in regards to their genes because they’re limited to one woman who can only give them so many children realistically. Women would no longer be optimizing hypergamy which often equates to lower value men raising the offspring of higher genetic value men—bad for the lower value guy, but good for humanity as the superior genes get to propagate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 04:32 PM
1

Societal stability would go up, but the rate of human evolution would decline
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 07:39 AM
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MtF trans make up roughly 80% of all transgender people. In other words, there are very few women interested in becoming men relative to men who want to become women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 07:21 AM
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500 Days of Beta... This movie hit me hard because of how closely it followed the dynamic of my relationships pre-RP. Ultimately, Tom didn’t maintain frame which led to him chasing Summer to the point where he eventually put himself in the friend zone and she broke up with him. The fact that Summer moved so quick with the next guy is a deliberate move by the writers to make the view go “WTF....” but that’s actually pretty accurate when women find the sexy alpha males they strongly desire—they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 10:02 PM
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TLDR: programs like social security in the USA are basically government sanctioned Ponzi schemes that rely on an ever increasing population (greater than replacement rate) of working people funding the retirement of non working people We are continually moving toward more and more social welfare programs in western countries, which for the most part only work when the number of people funding them exceeds the number of people utilizing them. When your population is continually decreasing you end…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 08:49 PM
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The problem with being a high value professional (doctor, lawyer, etc) is that you get automatically put into the ‘good marriage prospect’ category where women do counter intuitive nonsense like withholding sex for the sake of not looking easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 07:40 PM
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Women like doctors when they’re looking to settle down with a good long term option, but as a general rule you’re not going to find many 22 year old women who pass up Chad for the average looking doctor
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 08:25 AM
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Being a doctor only helps with the beta bucks side of the equation but does nothing for alpha fucks. Accordingly unless you look like a total Chad on your OLD profiles, telling people you’re a doctor is just going to attract necessitous women (single mothers, uneducated/poor girls, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 04:46 AM
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Because statistically about 75% of Americans are unhappy/unsatisfied with their jobs
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 08:22 AM
2

Na this is a somewhat infamous quote used frequently by Rollo Tomassi that one of his readers came up with
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 08:03 PM
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“You need to understand WOMEN HATE BETAS in fact they hate them so much that they would prefer to work soul destroying jobs to support themselves than attach themselves to a Beta provider that wants to fuck them and impregnate them with his shitty beta genetics.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 07:52 PM
1

Some study (can’t find it unfortunately) found the most attractive height to be 6’2” and attractiveness decreased as a function of height in bell curve fashion with every inch less/more from there. So believe it or not, being 7 ft tall isn’t dropping panties like most would think—at a certain point you’re either freakishly short or freakishly tall
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 04:08 PM
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There is a major discrepancy between who your average man is statistically and what your typical woman thinks an average man is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 03:22 PM
1

Marriage is called an Unconscionable Contract for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 07:29 PM
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They’re equally guilty—Accordingly I think the better question is why do men objectively women and why do women facilitate their own objectification? Men: Asking why men objectify women is just another way of saying why do men lust after women in a way which only factors in their sexual value? From an evolutionary standpoint this is pretty obvious: young, attractive, fertile women = more healthy children Women: women voluntarily objectively themselves for two main reasons IMO. 1. To keep pace wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:01 AM
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Hypergamy is not a straight jacket—many women who can “trade up” don’t for various reasons (love, principle, kids, religion, etc) Most women want to lock down the resources of one man, hence the reason women, especially as they age, are the ones pushing for commitment and monogamy Women’s sexual strategy changes with age. While your average 20 year might be willing to bounce around holding out for the perfect Chad, a women pushing 40 usually just wants a mature and financially stable life partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:31 AM
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Fundamentally male/female relationships are transactional, but each side can exploit the other Women trade sex for commitment and men trade commitment for sex, but this transaction isn’t technically guaranteed. A man who gets sex and doesn’t commit is the relational equivalent of “take the money and run”—women feel ripped off basically. Women also do the same thing to men in the form of making men wait for sex or creating a sexless relationship dynamic where the mans commitment and resources are…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 09:43 PM
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“Sex/power/dominance” Soooo feminism basically?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:29 PM
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Men communicate overtly, women communicate covertly. In general women are concerned with social standing, sensitive to the emotions of others, etc. Accordingly, they’re much more likely to say things subtly with the expectation that the other person will read between the lines. This trips up men who tend to error on the side of “well she didn’t explicitly say no...so maybe there’s a chance” Ultimately, interested women don’t give mixed signals or flake. The woman who meets giga Chad will clear h…
/r/askTRP10/09/20 08:36 PM
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Rational Male: War Bride Theory
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 07:49 PM
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Alpha Men Women Beta men In that order.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 09:54 PM
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Women evolved such that your average women seeks to mate with an above average men. Everyone thinks that 5 will date a 5, 6 will date a 6, etc. Yet it almost never works out like this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 09:50 PM
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Even amongst other men you have to change your speech depending on which particular guys are around. Gone are the days of salacious “locker room talk”. Plenty of men have bought into outrage culture and will not hesitate to disparage you as a sexist or report you to HR because you said some women has a nice butt. I’d go as far as to say that not being fluent in “woke” is in many ways a huge liability.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 11:23 PM
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“Hyper gamy is not a straight jacket”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 10:08 PM
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All women value a man with resources. A man generally has more resources at 35 than 25 so his options for women in general are greater. Will post wall women eagerly line up as a result? Yes, but You as the man can simply filter them out
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 10:29 PM
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Rollo (the guy who created “The Graph”) has clarified that it’s all about potential—for your average men his greatest potential to attract the greatest number of women lies roughly in his mid 30’s, especially if he has lived up to his full potential. Even your biggest beta losers likely have more options at 35 then they did at 25, especially when you factor in that most post wall women care more about security and stability at that point. I’d argue that your list is too focused on the physical a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 09:30 PM
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Why isn’t your average NFL coach, despite being an expert, out there on the field playing? It’s basically the same logic... Also keep in mind that the red pill is like a tool, how you use it is up to you. Whether that be acting as a perpetual bachelor or getting married, the choice is yours. Plus, even based on Rollo’s On observations and guidance, he is quite far removed from his prime.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 12:29 AM
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You missed some of the larger downsides to women’s overconsumption of social media—most notably anxiety and depression (which many studies substantiate). From a dating standpoint, social media has also given women a sense of over abundance leading to an over inflated sense of their own value—making 5’s think they deserve an 8
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 03:36 PM
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The feminine man as a sexual strategy is nothing new. Robert Greene in the Art of Seduction describes the “dandy” as being one of 9 types of male seduction strategies—The dandy is almost exactly what you describe: the soft, sensual pretty boy with a good fashion sense who almost appears to relate to women as a form of seduction—your average K-pop guy basically Rollo also talks about how feminist allies, unmakes and the like essentially try to relate to and pander to women as a means to get in cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 12:26 AM
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The ideal man for a women isn’t on the extreme ends of the alpha/beta dichotomy, it’s a man who exhibits both. What FDS promotes as “HVMs” are really just easy to control betas. Women who have had bad experiences with “fuckbois” like these men because they’re easy mode; easy to control and exploit—men who probably won’t leave them. From a public policy standpoint , yes I do care. Broken homes are bad for the country overall and the trend toward women having one guys baby the marrying another is …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:56 PM
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Men do not understand the bliss that is being with a HVM who makes your life so much better. TRP's idea of "alpha" is my idea of misery and a substantially sub bar option to my life as a single woman, no contest. There may be some truth to this in the sense that being with a man who’s universally desirable by women is going to be more stressful because his partners will be have competition anxiety, be worried he’ll cheat (because he actually has options), etc. FDS’s definitely of an HMV is basic…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:46 PM
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The women of FDS aren’t do much “beta” as they are frustrated alpha widows who were unable to lockdown the fuckbois they dated in their 20s. The implication of all this is that they’re settling but rationalizing why the beta men they ended up with the are the true “high value males”. Ultimately it’s just throwing darts at a wall, then drawing the target around them, and claiming you got a bullseye
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:39 PM
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I’ll agree with you on some points. First and foremost that everyone’s needs and standards are different. To an alpha male, the 30 year old single mother is a bottom barrel option, but she might be a godsend in the eyes of a beta incel. However, even if a women wants a beta simp now as a result of a series of fuckboys, is she going to be happy with that guy 10 years down the road? My guess is no. FDS encourages women to rationalize and capitalize on a sub-optimal mating strategy...it’s like glor…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 05:33 AM
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TRP vs FDS and their approaches to solving each sexes dating challenges can be boiled down to how each sex typically goes about solving a problem. As many men in committed relationships can probably substantiate, when a women has a problem, the mans instinctual response is often to approach it logically only to be shocked when the women says something to the effect of “you just don’t get it! I just want you to be there for me!”. In reality she’s not trying to solve that problem in the true sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 03:41 AM
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I come from the Rollo Tomassi school of RP thought, which in my mind is one that’s based on a combination of behavioral and evolutionary psychology. I emphasize this because that term “Red pill” has lost a lot of meaning and is now a spectrum ranging from people taking a scientific approach to incel/MGTOW emotionalism. Time is not your friend in a relationship. It’s just more of an opportunity for you to fail, disappoint, and lose your attractiveness (hence the QB example). There is plenty of ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:54 PM
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Raw vs not raw has very little to do with the emotional imprint left by the man and more to do with familiarity. It seems like much of what you’re getting at is based on the idea (fallacy) of relational equity, but as many RP thinkers have pointed out, women love opportunistically. It’s less about the culmination of things you’ve done for her and more to do with what you’ve done for her lately Assuming both men were equally Alpha from the start Imagine you have two quarterbacks, both equally gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:20 PM
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Eh I’ve known quite a few short women who’s short legs but normal torsos give them the appearance of having a toddlers body..
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 02:24 AM
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same parents Lots of surprises these days now that genetic testing is widespread
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 02:21 AM
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Historically most men didn’t mate period, so many would have just taken what they could get—May have just answered my own question
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 09:06 PM
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The underlying assumption seems to be that shorter is better when resources are limited. As we enter a world where resources aren’t limited, would tall women be selected for over time?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 08:40 PM
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There’s still a bit of an evolutionary disconnect here though. Evolution is heavily based on what’s going to propagate your genes. Having a shorter then average female partner almost always ensures that your sons will be shorter then average as well, which is a huge disadvantage for attracting women. Based on this alone, I’d expect that men would prefer taller women yet that’s not the case...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 07:50 PM
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Women have more to lose from a rejection then men do in terms of self-esteem. At some rate most women understand that their agency and life outcomes are predicated on their ability to attract and control men. Even a few hundred years ago, a woman who was unable to attract a man was destined to either live with her parents or become a nun. Conversely, a exceptional beautiful and likeable woman could marry out of poverty. Anyone here who’s ever rejected a woman for sex can probably substantiate th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 02:39 PM
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Most BP men buy into this idea that “she should like me for who I am....changing for the sake of women would be disingenuous!” Likewise, they believe that “staying true to yourself” is the ultimate filtering mechanism. In their minds, If you become some buff sexy guy then you’ll attract women who are just interested in that version of you and not the real you. This is one reason why TRP actually works—it motivates you to improve yourself and become the sort man that women actually want instead o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 02:17 PM
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The sexual marketplace was once just the guys/girls in your local area so your choices were relatively limited. This intrinsically made everyone a bit more realistic in terms of their expectations The new sexual marketplace place is a global one thanks to the internet, dating apps, etc. your average woman can go on tinder or Instagram and have 100’s of men drooling over her in a day. This creates an abundance mentality that is great for your self confidence but no so great for having realistic e…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 07:02 AM
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Admittedly I hadn’t thought of that angle—it’s certainly valid. Plenty of people are self conscious when going to the gym (to include men) so I understand where you’re coming from. As someone who takes my exercise routine at the gym seriously Instead of using it as an opportunity to make small talk, I can’t help but roll my eyes when some 60 year old guy gives a 20 year old girl unsolicited lifting advice. Mind you they’re not giving that same advice to that the women in there 40’s....
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:32 AM
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Let me put it this way... When I go to the gym, it’s almost always men and middle aged women there alongside me. Many times I’ve wondered, where are all the women in their 20’s? Then I remind myself, that no woman in her 20’s has ever had a hard time attracting men as long as she wasn’t totally grotesque—the point is that women spend the inheritance that is their youth until it runs out and they actually have to start working for it. Men don’t sympathize with this because men don’t inherit anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 09:49 PM
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I agree. However, the means by which women are privileged in the western world is much more subtle than the ways men are privileged in “traditional cultures”. Therefore it often goes unseen or people commit the apex fallacy and compare an average women to a top 1% man (I.e. corporate CEO)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 09:44 PM
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If you really boil it down most countries can be classified as either male priority or female priority. In most Islamic countries for example, it’s pretty obvious that women struggle more than men in terms of rights, freedoms, and respect Conversely, I think you could make a strong argument for western countries being female oriented
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 06:05 PM
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Being successful as a man doing OLD (especially tinder) boils down to two factors: Sex appeal Entertainment value Your personality (aka what most beta men rely on to get women) will not shine through on tinder. What will is a chiseled jawline and a little cocky/funny. When you consider that most men on tinder are average schlubs who start conversations with “hey” you begin to understand why some playful cocky humor can go a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 06:01 PM
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Most couples I know fit the dynamic of “she would have been too hot for him when she was 22 but know that she’s older and fatter...”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 05:33 PM
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If it’s quackery then why are you on here fighting it? TRP is a very niche thing so it’s not like you’re “fighting the good fight” against some large scale injustice—I’m not hanging out in flat earther forums trying to convince people that their fools for believing that shit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:02 PM
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Imagine the 1-10 scale and apply that across a bell curve. The implication is that a 10 is 1% of the male population while 4-6’s make up about 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:59 PM
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Most men are unaware of a woman’s motivations or even whether she has genuine desire. Many men don’t even care. The rich Silicon Valley beta is overjoyed to lock down a 6 even if it’s duty sex
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:35 PM
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Also in most LTRs where emotional attachment and consumate love is high people tend to want to fuck each other less...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:52 PM
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My Formula for Male Attractiveness: Face (1-10) Body (1-10) Personality/charm (1-10) Power/Influence (1-10) Wealth (1-10) Find the value for each, then average out all the values. The big implication is that women weigh all these things out relatively equally. In fact, I’d argue that in some ways women are more “fair” in their judgement of potential mates in the sense that they’re more like to find redeeming qualities. Conversely, a women’s who’s super ugly is basically fucked and no amount of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:49 PM
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So when you through your RP transition it goes something like this: Stage 1: Think Bluepill, Act Bluepill Stage 2: Think Bluepill, Act Redpill Stage 3: Think Redpill, Act Redpill During stage 2, I was excited at how much TRP was helping me to attract women, yet I also resented them for it. In the back of my head I couldn’t help but get mad that they were “falling for it” because at the time it was basically my BP self putting on an act. It probably took a full 5 years for me to internalize TRP a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 06:38 PM
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“If it ain’t broke don’t fix it” If your looks are good enough there’s no incentive to change your behavior—this applies to men and women alike. However I have known men who can get women no problem but can’t keep them once there overt beta behavior betrays their good looks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 06:54 PM
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Based on the information you’ve presented it almost seems like women should be getting horny from the behavior of betas who put them on pedestals and chase after they... In reality, woman want to see an alpha male irresistibly lusting for her after she’s already decided that sex was going to happen—this is basically what the “rape fantasy” is; a hot guy filled with such lust inspired by the women that he has to ravish her. What women don’t want is some loser beta singing romantic ballads on her …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 03:14 AM
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Your first point is incorrect. The rich are actually better equipped to handle an economic crisis or long-term downturn than your average person is. Additionally lower class people who are often dependent upon government welfare are going to suffer the most because government welfare is heavily dependent upon taxation and perpetually increasing populations that fund welfare programs
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:53 PM
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I’m going to disagree with you here, not that women aren’t visual necessarily, but that they’re anywhere close to men in that regard. If women were anywhere close to being as visual as men then where are the multiple strip clubs in medium sized towns filled with hard bodied guys? why are women a minority in porn consumption? The primary consumer of porn featuring naked men Isn’t women, it’s gay guys. Conversely, why are women overwhelmingly the consumers of romance/sex novels? In regards to your…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:31 PM
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The burden of performance is always on the man and that’s something you just need to accept. When it comes to your value as a human being: “Men must become, women just are” The exception to this is when you are in a LTR and you turn her down for sex, go limp etc. women freak out over that stuff. She might try to imply that you somehow failed as a man, but in most cases they take it very personal in a “am I or attractive anymore” sense
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:23 PM
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This is certainly true. I’d also add that at some level most women understand that their sexuality is an important part of their power and agency over men—when a man rejects them sexually it’s the real life equivalent of the “you have no power here” meme. “Men manipulate their environment—women manipulate men”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:53 PM
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Then you might be a good candidate for being perpetually single. At the very least it’s good you recognize that. Too many people have this issue, commit to an LTR only to become serial cheaters
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:40 PM
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Dead bedrooms might make it seem that way because there’s a selection bias in favor of women who care about being in a dead bedroom situation. In reality, women making the effort seems to be the exception to the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:38 PM
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Your idea works well for men because can enjoy visual novelty in the form of wigs, lingerie, etc. but women crave emotional novelty, which is difficult to achieve in the same man. This is my theory on women who quickly jump into new relationships—they enjoy the emotional high/novelty
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:19 PM
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Very true. Men are primarily visual so the wigs and costumes dynamic is an easy way to create that novelty. Women on the other hand seem to crave novelty in an emotional sense. In other words, they want to “feel” like they’re with a new man not just see a new man. This is obviously much harder to facilitate. I’d also argue that this is why dread game is effective—the ups and downs give women a sense of emotional novelty
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:16 PM
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Comedian Jim Jeffries has a hilarious bit related to this basically pointing out the double standard of a limp dick vs a dry vagina: https://youtu.be/bUS0NFibaS0
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:12 PM
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Short Answer: Kids, money, inconvenience, and a relationship that is otherwise good. We also have this odd relationship with sex in the western world where we value it while simultaneously saying that it’s insignificant compared to “love”. Hence if you were to tell your family that you ended a marriage over sex you’d probably be called a fool. My counter to this is that sex and whether you’re having it is probably the most obvious way to tell if a couple is still in love
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:09 PM
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So true. If you ever want to mind fuck a woman all you need to do is turn her down for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:21 AM
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Also sex as a man involves far more effort and initiation, which I imagine isn't worth it in the long run. Most married men will tell you there’s a sort of “you have to earn it dynamic” when it comes to their wives and sex (in sharp contrasts to the early days of the relationship). In other words, she’ll only have sex if you’ve ensured that all the stars have aligned perfectly before hand whether it be doing chores, being on perfect terms throughout the day, etc. and then you finally get the sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:16 AM
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In my experience women take it incredibly personal when you turn them down for sex, aren’t in the mood, go limp, etc. and I suspect it’s due to the perception that men are always ready for sex so when they aren’t...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:07 AM
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Sex vs sexual novelty: totally valid. Fucking the same woman can get boring after awhile if you don’t actively inject some novelty into things. Most women would scoff at this whole issue, but think of it this way...imagine that your favorite food is pizza. However, for that next 5 years you can only eat pizza and nothing else. Are you still going to enjoy eating pizza like you did in the beginning? Probably not
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:05 AM
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Great point: Selection bias
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:58 AM
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You’re not wrong. Most of the big names in the RP universe have basically said that men building things, wealth, and civilizations in order to impress women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 12:12 AM
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If your ideology leads to you NOT having children, then you’re missing out on one of the greatest methods of spreading your ideology: indoctrinating your kids into it. Accordingly, feminism and other ideologies which discourage reproduction are basically self limiting. Why do you think Islam is the largest religion in the world—because its a patriarchal religion that encourages you to have kids who will then go on to be Muslims themselves. Likewise, dominant patriarchal societies will always ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:31 PM
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Being overtly emotional (especially things like crying) as a man is almost always perceived to be a sign of weakness. Throughout human evolution, a weak man has always been a liability to the group, regardless of whether group consists of your high school buddies or you and your girlfriend. Just imagine you’re in the middle of an active war zone and your commanding officer breaks down crying and telling you that you’re all fucked and he doesn’t know what to do—doesn’t exactly inspire a lot of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:22 PM
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Average Male Problem: How do I get a woman at all? Average Female Problem: How do I get a quality man. The difference is that average women come from a position of abundance and choice while your average man comes from a position of scarcity. Women don’t need help getting a man, they need help getting the right man
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:03 PM
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Male “hypergamy” builds civilizations
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 07:50 PM
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This sub is filled with lots of people who care more about how the information makes them feel than the actual validity of the information itself. Frequently the split is along gendered lines. Also, human nature is such that “debate” tends to be one big emotional shouting match instead of using information and logic to change ones views.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 10:30 PM
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Human behavior is all about incentives. An overweight woman in her 20’s will still receive plenty of attention from men; even those who are 1-2 SMV above her own. Accordingly there’s simply no incentive to do something which most people find to be time consuming and miserable. To put things into perspective, would you feel the need to go out and get a second job if you were already making 100K a year? My guess is probably not. In my own experience, gyms tend to be mostly guys and middle aged wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 10:01 PM
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What do you find to be the typical backstory for your clientele? ( i.e. Sexually frustrated beta male who can’t get laid...guy who just wants no strings attached sex...guy who can’t get his fetish from a typical woman...etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 08:33 PM
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Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 05:34 AM
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She’s certainly having a tough time keeping off the pounds now that she’s not sending a syringe full of vitamin H into her arm every day
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 12:55 AM
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No he said men peak at 35 in terms of options and age much more gracefully then women of similar age
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 02:45 AM
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Society basically assumes that men lack sexual self-control Hence, blaming women for sleeping around instead of dumpster diving men or sensitivity training telling men not to rape—under any other circumstance, we’d consider that extremely patronizing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 06:13 PM
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Excellent post—Entertaining and educational Point of emphasis for readers: Women by evolutionary design lack loyalty and social equity in the way that men typically value it. Simply put, a woman who stuck with a weak unproductive loser, was a woman who died along with her children. Women branch swing with seemingly little loyalty to their partners because it was key for survival in 10,000 BC. As is commonly said, men love ideally, women love opportunistically.
/r/MarriedRedPill06/05/20 06:01 PM
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This sub has become a bullhorn for opinionated people who are more interested in talking at people than talking with people—worse yet very few actually seem educated on redpill principles
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 04:47 PM
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Also why your average community gym consists of dudes and middle aged women. Girls in their prime have no incentive to get in shape because even a chunky 25 year old will still have plenty of interested men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 01:45 PM
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Marriage is that pop up in your web browser that says “are you sure you want to close all these tabs?” your average relationship has many points in it where someone would have walked away if there wasn’t such a strong legal/financial entanglement in the form of marriage. It’s bad in some ways, but it helps ensure that there’s a two parent household which has shown to be overwhelmingly beneficial for children
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:05 PM
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In my experience both sides are to blame for this. Romance from a man requires inspiration based on the sweetness, likability, feminine ways, etc of the women. Relationship newness makes this inspiration come quite easy, but over time you lose the rose colored glasses and see people for what they actually are instead of how you imagined them to be. On top of that most people are on their best behavior and start to slip into their true self with all their bad habits. For example, for all the ladi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 05:38 PM
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Reddit is disproportionately middle class millennials, who disproportionately live in major cities, so this is likely true
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 05:24 PM
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Lol wut
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 07:23 AM
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“You need to understand WOMEN HATE BETAS in fact they hate them so much that they would prefer to work soul destroying jobs to support themselves than attach themselves to a Beta provider that wants to fuck them and impregnate them with his shitty beta genetics.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 07:22 AM
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You nailed it. I’d argue that western society is on the decline because men aren’t incentivized to produce and contribute like they used to be. In the modern world, women have all there needs provided for by themselves or the government so there’s less incentive to go for non-Chad’s leading to an increasing number of sexless subsisting betas
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 12:54 AM
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Aka they’re all so damn fat now. I envy the days of my grandfather’s prime when thin was considered average for a woman under 40
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 08:10 PM
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Being really attractive allows certain women to get away with poor behavior, poor choices, and poor personalities Men want really attractive women In the eyes of men, the women they actually want seem to exhibit a lot of problems This is basically the apex fallacy applied to women. In reality most women are nice normal people, but the really attractive ones that catch their eye have spent most of their adult life getting told their shit doesn’t stink because of how attractive they are. As a resu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:12 PM
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A bit jaded but undoubtedly true
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:18 PM
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Your average nice guy isn’t actually that nice. These are the guys that will say “fuck you whore!” when you turn them down for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:40 PM
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How about men nagging their wives for sex? That’s acceptable too right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:25 PM
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I’d be curious to hear more
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 10:59 PM
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I believe that’s true. Some women are fortunate to gain 80% of their weight in their butts, boobs, and thighs while still maintaining a narrow waist. However, this is undoubtedly the exception to the rule, which is why I’m inherently skeptical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:50 PM
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like these women?. “Real men like blah blah blah” this is one of the most common female shaming techniques used to tell men what they should like instead of what they do. Also, it amazes me that the body of the average young women from the 1940’s has been redefined in modern times as being grossly skinny—it’s almost as if the definition of attractive has changed to accommodate today’s average overweight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:41 PM
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These women don’t look healthy to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:31 PM
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Would the average man look at you and say that you have a thin build?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:23 PM
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For the record I’m talking about what men like, not the broad range of what a healthy weight is. Consider that your average Victoria secret model (not the sickly looking runway models that people use as a straw man) is about 5’10” and 120 lbs while having a healthy hourglass.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:57 PM
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I’m 5’5” and 130 lbs Unless you’re particularly muscular you’re also about 20 lbs overweight relative to what most men would say is the ideal female body.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:31 PM
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Reasons some men still don’t succeed: They lack foundational attractive qualities: Too short, ugly, fat, lacking education, a good job, interesting hobbies, etc They’re not as RP as they think they think: Everyone who discovers TRP thinks after a year that they’re bonafide RP alphas. In reality it’s a long journey (5+ years) of going from ‘fake it til you make it’ to internalizing it all The treat TRP like a pick up artist technique and revert back to their beta ways: If you’ve ever read The Gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 01:41 AM
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Overly picky men are are going to be evolutionary failures and the male evolutionary strategy is to spread your seed to the max extent possible. Accordingly, our forefathers were largely made up of men who took as much as they could get even if that meant a less than stellar woman. In the modern era, you could argue that the competition for less desirable women is even greater than it was 50+ years ago. Back then there was a much more traditional one man for one woman dynamic. Nowadays, the top …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 07:30 PM
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Unfortunately I think many women use sex to secure commitments. Not only that, but once the marriage license is signed, I think both sexes get a bit complacent in a “I got em now, so I don’t have to try as hard” sense. Ultimately, I agree with that idea of sex as a barometer idea. Even in a healthy relationship sex seems to never be as frequent or as passionate in year 10 as it was in year 1, but it shouldn’t be a dead bedroom either. In those cases, it seems like women will jump through hoops j…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:44 AM
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Throwing dicks into the pussy void 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 01:35 AM
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This is a good point. Walking away and not giving a fuck is probably a quick way to get back some of the frame
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 05:19 PM
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This is why my own theory on being alpha widowed basically says that the relationship being relatively short term is key. As you mentioned, if you disappoint her too many times you demote yourself to beta or at the very least lose your alpha mystique. This is why you’ll never find a women whose been alpha widowed following a 10 year marriage. By that point, all the mystique and intrigue is gone—any one whose been in a long term relationship knows what I’m talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 02:55 PM
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The same could be said for all of humanity, but what little differences we have are often so heavily internalized to our belief systems that they create a brutalist tribal mentality. Just look at the political divisions in our country. There are literally people who would happily kill a person who belongs to an opposing political party
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 07:24 AM
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For many beta men their only access to female sexuality, particularly from a traditionally attractive woman is to go for damaged goods, kind of like how a car that’s been in an accident can be doubt for way less even if all the damage has been fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 07:18 AM
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I don’t want to play into the stereotypical beta revenge fantasy of the “high school jock will be bagging your groceries in 10 years” but it does seem like the sorts of alpha traits you see in young guys rarely equate to objective success.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 07:16 AM
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You just need to be educated on the realities of men, women, and their respective sexual strategies. This is where being RP award comes Into play
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 01:07 AM
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She was a single mother. Her priorities changed from getting tingles to getting provided for. Also, my step dad could have done much better than her. He’s a beta, but one who really started hitting his stride in his mid-30s early 40s. Unfortunately for him my mom was very good at keeping the balance of power in her favor
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 12:00 AM
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My mother is an alpha widow in regards to my biological father. She’s been married to my step-father for almost 30 years and to this day gets teary-eyed over her failed relationship with my bio dad who was the stereotypical “tall, dark, and handsome” alpha—also a serial cheater. It honest to god, sickens me to to hear her talk about a guy she was with for 3 years as being the love of her life while clearly having no such passion for my step-father of almost 30 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 11:49 PM
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That sub is mostly schadenfreude resulting from seeing women having to live with the bad decisions that they made. What makes it that much better is the seeming lack of self awareness these women have when they demand a HVM despite being bottom barrel themselves. These posts also serves a cautionary tale, which exposes blatant hypergamy in a context where some poor chump is expected to play the white knight and save these women from their poor choices. You’re right about LVM being relationship e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 05:43 PM
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Relate to woman as much as possible Desexualize yourself and your relational needs Aim to please and praise women as much as possible Be uninhibited in your expression of your emotions and feelings Adhere to the “women are wonderful effect” in the sense of treating all women as being exceptional individuals, morally superior, incapable of fault, and not responsible for their actions
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 07:38 PM
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The dynamic of most relationships can probably be predicted by comparing the man’s SMV to the woman’s. If the man’s is significantly higher than the woman’s (2 or more points on the 10 scale) then you’ll probably get a “Becky Bucks” dynamic where the woman is super eager to please the man and will pay for things, cook, let him live with her, etc. I’ve also seen women support men in a “investing in a startup” sense. Think of the guy struggling to pay the bills while in law school or med school, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 07:19 PM
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Because the goal for most women isn’t endless causal sex with endless numbers of high value men, it’s being able to lock down and have a relationship with one high value man. Women, especially in their younger years have a tendency to try and lock down men who either don’t want to be locked down or who are so far above SMV wise that they have no reason to From the outside perspective of your average man this just seems like a waste of time and effort. Men almost never run into a situation where …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 06:15 PM
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1 woman paired with 1 man facilitates an extremely stable and productive society. Conversely societies which practice polygamy are some of the most war-torn, economically unstable places in the world Why? Because at a macro level women can effectively be thought of as a resource and when a resource has a lot of inequality tied to it you get instability
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 06:26 PM
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The pussy cartel hates anyone or anything that lowers the value of their greatest commodity
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:34 PM
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The guys saying women don’t approach them are likely unattractive. They never come to that conclusion because very few guys actually take the time to do an honest self assessment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 09:03 PM
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This implies that women have no use for undesirable men. They do—as beta orbiters. Women still value their money and attention, they just hate it when these men don’t know their place
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 08:54 PM
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“it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that! Sexual strategy is an evolutionary style arms race in which each sex develops new techniques to facilitate their particular sexual strategy in life. In many ways an arms race is kind of like going in circles
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 03:48 PM
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It’s a matter of a scarcity mentality vs an abundance mentality which have always existed in humanity OLD has simply exaggerated men’s feelings of scarcity and women’s feelings of abundance for the worst
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 11:21 PM
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Imagine that your favorite food is pizza. Now imagine all you ate for 5 years straight was pizza. Do you think you’d like it just as much as you did on day 1? Absolutely not. This is why you need to spice up that pizza by trying different toppings, sauces, etc. In this example I’m not trying to imply that you need to sleep with different women, but you do need to ensure that there’s some variety if you’re going to be committed to the same women, whether it be different sex acts or her dressing u…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 09:19 PM
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I think you’re onto something here. As soon as you mentioned low T guys having impossible standards, I had a bit of an “ah ha!” moment. Quite frankly it just makes sense that the more insatiable your sex drive the lower your standards and vice versa
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 09:07 PM
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Chad isn’t bullshiting beta males, women are. Men tend to be much more direct and literal, so when women say they want a “nice guy” instead of no good, won’t commit Chad, they take it at face value. They try to become this guy, only to be shocked when women still go for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 08:26 PM
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The question is whether we can love a robot that can pass for human—consider that most people love their pets; an entirely different species that has a very rudimentary form of free will and no ability to communicate beyond expressing basic needs and emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:39 PM
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What kind of mother did you grow up with where your definition of one is a woman who pampers you and does whatever you want...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:04 AM
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OP is jumping to the playboy millionaire stereotype, which is much more rare than the Jeff Bezos and Elon Musks of the world who were always hopeless betas that just happened to get wealthy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 02:11 AM
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I had this epiphany a few years back when observing teenage guys at a McDonald’s. I thought to myself, “no wonder I wasn’t getting laid back in HS...most of these guys look like fucking losers”. Average guy under the age of 25: - scrawny, skinny fat or just plain fat - Terrible attempts at growing facial hair combined with mop-top haircuts - no sense of how to dress. Lots of baggy t-shirts and cargo pants or the basketball shorts and high socks look - A general look of having mediocre hygiene An…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:12 PM
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Good point. Most people here are familiar with the okcupid analysis which found that women rated 80% of men as being unattractive. This 80/20 rule is still going to hold up for men in their 30’s/40’s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 10:40 PM
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I think this is a great point that doesn’t get talked about enough. We talk about dating as a market and like any market, an asset that’s in good condition at a great price is going to get snatched up very quickly. Conversely, one that’s been sitting on the market for a long time is probably that way for a reason. So in the case of the 32 year old “post epiphany” women, not only have all the good man likely been claimed, but some people are probably looking at her and asking what’s wrong with he…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 10:35 PM
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High value men turn women into alpha widows Low value men suffer through relationships with alpha widows Fundamentally, people often get the n-count issue all wrong. The danger of a high n-count women isn’t that she’s “damaged” in some abstract way, it’s that she’s more likely to have been alpha widowed. However, if you’re some crazy high value dude, the chance that one of her previous 50 lays can “out alpha” you in her mind is likely to be low
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:13 AM
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Ben Franklin’s thoughts on older women: “But if you will not take this Counsel, and persist in thinking a Commerce with the Sex inevitable, then I repeat my former Advice, that in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these: Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor’d with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable. Because when Women cease to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 01:24 AM
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Male Orgasm = high chance, moderate pleasure Female Orgasm = Low Chance, high pleasure In general, getting your rocks off as a man is a basic bodily need like eating food or taking a leak. Imagine if you will that there’s a metaphorical pressure gauge that’s constantly heading toward the red area indicating over-pressure and you need to relieve that pressure to keep your sanity. For most (not all) women, sex and orgasm are like a special dessert they have on occasion. An Exceptionally delightful…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 04:27 PM
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The average women is 5’4” and 180 pounds (in the U.S.) at least. The beautiful curves you describe are relic of the past. In fact, I’ve wondered how great it must have been in my grandfather’s generation, where thin shapely women were the norm for 80% of women under the age of 50. In terms of faces, google “pornstars without makeup” and be absolutely horrified at how these supposed sex goddesses cover up copious amounts of acne and plain Jane facial features with make up thicker than frosting on…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 03:26 PM
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It’ll become increasingly difficult, both to find men “worthy” of commitment as well as men willing to commit. Reasons: Men have less incentive to commit and/or get married: Marriage is already a losing prospect legally for men in most cases, but combine that with sex that flows like water and there’s simply less incentive to get married than ever before Women are increasingly more financially independent than ever before which will only raise the threshold for a man they find worthy of commitme…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:37 PM
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Women have intrinsic value, men must become valuable
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 12:29 AM
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That sounds like a filtering problem, where the solution is to stop dating guys that lack the qualities you desire. FDS seems to be equally about the woman changing her behavior while also changing that of the (presumably “work in progress)man, particularly a man who is already susceptible to this change (ie a beta)—this is where it deviates from TRP, which makes no attempts to actually change women...it simply acknowledges the way in which they operate and strategizes accordingly. The other iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 08:19 PM
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With obesity rates on the rise Id argue that a good body is becoming increasingly harder to find relative to a cute face; accordingly it holds more value now. Compare that to 100 years ago when nearly all women were thin and the opposite was more of the case
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 03:24 PM
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FDS: Where women who got screwed over by Alphas come together and scheme about ways they can control Betas
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 02:50 PM
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TRP is all about facilitating personal change—change that requires massive amounts of discipline. Going to the gym is great for building that discipline, which is more of what the “just lift” is all about. Also, being visibly fit doesn’t equate to confidence, charisma, or any other attractive male trait. A cringey beta male with some muscle might have an easier time getting a woman to give him the time of day, but ultimately she’ll see that he’s a loser underneath the physical attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 03:13 PM
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Sluts and creeps are two sides of the same coin, each is just “easy” in regards to what the other sex values that most: Sluts: Easy when it comes to sex Creeps: Easy when it comes to attention and love
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 09:40 PM
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As a man you’re either a draft animal or you’re breeding stock—This implies two things: That women promote the aspects of masculinity that are beneficial to them and shame the ones that aren’t You’re expected to know your place and stay in it. A creep and a stud can say the same thing and exhibit the same behavior, but the difference is how sexy each one is in the eyes of women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 06:10 AM
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Fertility for a 35-40 year old women is roughly half that of a woman in her 20’s. Hell, a pregnancy at that age is officially labeled as “geriatric” due to the high risks involved
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 10:57 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 02:41 AM
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There’s plenty of research which shows that when men’s attraction preferences are tracked, they universally (across all age groups) prefer women aged 22 +/- 2 years old. Conversely, women tend to prefer men approximately 4-5 years older than whatever age they are. However, in reality few men are actually high value enough to pick and chose which women they get to date. Most simply take whatever their SMV allows them to attract—for the few men that actually are top 10% theres no reason for them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 02:41 AM
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Assumption: Hypergamy is alpha fuck/beta bucks Historically: Women needed men primarily for provisioning (beta bucks) and alpha qualities were a “nice to have” but not a necessity Modern Times: Women can either provide for themselves or get the government to do it at the very least. Accordingly, the beta bucks aspect of hypergamy is increasingly less important so woman can afford to pursue alpha fucks Implication: Women don’t feel the urge to settle for “good enough” like they used to. However, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:00 PM
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Not saying some men don’t, but in general getting rejected for sex and relationships is just part of being a man. Conversely, women rarely get turned so when they do it’s a much more emotional event for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 12:46 AM
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One of the tenants of TRP is that a woman’s sexuality is one of her greatest sources of agency in life. Accordingly, rejecting her offer of sex is in some ways an existential threat for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 11:47 PM
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I’ve turned women down a few times in my life for sex and let me tell ya, they fucking explode with rage! Simply put, women don’t experience relational/sexual rejection as much as men do so when they do it’s a much bigger deal
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:35 PM
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Ego protection mechanism
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:18 PM
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The simplest but most accurate ^
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 05:44 PM
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The Sexy Sons Hypotheses
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 04:46 PM
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Aye. Currently suffering through that stimuli as we speak
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:34 PM
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Girl: I really want to get in shape Guy: you should try lifting Girl: noooo I don’t want to get all muscley and gross I’ve heard many women say some variant of this, which leads me to believe that many women do in fact think it’s relatively easy to get jacked—in reality getting noticeably big from your casual 90 minutes a day 3 times a week in the gym takes a solid 3+ years
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:05 PM
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