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Hold on, cause what you just did was agree. If you're now saying there's a justification for the bias, then you have to first agree there is a bias. The reason doesn't really matter at that point, the bias exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:13 AM
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Even if what you were saying is true, which it isn't by the way, would it matter? That still means that people, both men and women, show a preference towards women. https://rutgerssocialcognitionlab.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/9/7/13979590/rudmangoodwin2004jpsp.pdf Researchers here seem to have come to the conclusion that women are more likely to have in-group biases than men and you seem to have to come to the conclusion of that men deify women. If you accept both these things, then you can come to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:59 AM
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Cuz I never hear women say that. This “phenomenon”’seems to really affect men most. Strange! You expect to hear women complain about people being nice to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:38 AM
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https://twitter.com/Letter_to_Jack/status/1288371625910513664 Nothing else needs to be said. But I will anyway. Seriously I've seen guys say stuff like that and when I ask them if they've checked in on a friend of theirs, they'll reply back, "For what 🤷‍♂️." Obviously nobody reaches out to them either, that's why they don't see it as normal, as the thesis states, nobody cares. For some reason it wasn't clicking for him that people show love and affection to those have shown them consistent love …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:17 AM
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You do realize that if women didn't contact men they found unattractive they wouldn't contact anyone at all. They found almost nobody attractive. If they don't contact unattractive men they may as well not use it.
/r/AllPillDebate29/09/23 02:02 PM
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You’ve just more than halved your chances of a relationship. He can just lie. If he was a 31 year old virgin he'd have to lie anyway. He's past the point where it would matter. Plus what's half of 0? If after 31 years he hasn't been able to get a woman, then he's really lost nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:10 PM
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Women complain about being approached in every context. They will approach who they want, when they want them. They don't need men to proposition them. If/when they want someone they can and do just go get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 01:58 AM
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The reasons men don't approach women are almost exclusively cowardly and pathetic. Women are also constantly bitching about men approaching them. Idk why we're pretending women want to be approached in the first place, they don't. Any time the topic comes up most women say they want to be left alone, so why would men approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 09:48 PM
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What difference does it make if you're insecure? Some people like lifting weights, so they'll lift weights even for no reward. Some people like archery, so they'll do archery for no reward. But people don't ever feel the need to say "You should do archery for yourself", nobody would do archery for any other reason. Not everyone likes going to the gym, some people do in fact just go to look better for the opposite sex. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but for some reason people don…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 08:10 PM
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In person* So they approach women online.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:47 PM
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If someone wants attention from women or a relationship, they are doing it for themselves. True. But this is like the opposite of what people mean when they say it. There's no difference between doing this for yourself and doing it for women. This is doing it for myself in the sense that myself wants pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:30 PM
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I guess if building muscle is your hobby. But you can tell the "for yourself" stuff is bullshit, because it's the only hobby where people say "This should be every man's hobby". That said he's right, women love muscle, they're just full of shit, can't take anything they say seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:40 PM
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I've had similar experiences. Not necessarily sex, but any woman that's not getting physical on the first date pretty much just stops talking to me after.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:35 PM
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It's been a long time but I still remember the plot and development of Morever (the poisoner?) And his apprentice. Some of his lines were legendary and he was just fascinating. It's been a little while since I read them too, do you mean the torturer? I haven't read Prince of Thorne's, saw it on a list of Grim dark fantasy books and wanted to check it out. Think I will. I think for fantasy my top pick is ASOIAF as mainstream as it is, the lore is just so deep, like it's a real world. Brandon Sand…
/r/AllPillDebate27/09/23 08:37 PM
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I read a book called Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie This book is so good, one of his best. I don't know if you've read the original trilogy, but I think Best Served Cold blows any of them out of the water.
/r/AllPillDebate27/09/23 08:29 PM
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All these words, just to say they want to be leeches, but can't find anyone rich enough. If you can't afford 50/50 then the household needs to spend less. If you can afford it, but don't want to, then you do feel entitled to your partner's money. What other interpretation of that is there? "He has it, so I should have it"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:28 PM
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I said on here once that one of the things that makes interacting with women difficult is that women are just straight up afraid of men. Some women were quick to tell me this wasn't the case. It's interesting to see those same women here talking about how afraid they are of men. What is even the point of discussion, they just say whatever words win the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:36 PM
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You're only furthering my point. "Regular treatment" is not instructive. It means literally nothing. By this interpretation of "regular" the phrase "Treat women like regular people" means "treat women like women", it's a nothing statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 10:44 PM
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A decent dating app would have an enforced 50/50 gender ratio. Just needs to be more women than men IMO. This sounds like an interesting idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:42 PM
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How you treat "regular people" is different based on your relationship with that person. Right, but doesn't that make the statement "Treat women like regular people meaningless"? There is no regular.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:28 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513811000250
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 03:28 AM
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Guys hoping he can trade up to something better, but is holding on to her in case he can't. Also not everyone spends that much on a ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:35 PM
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When making such statements, men they aren't attracted to aren't considered men. Men do this too when they make statements about women, but as men are generally attracted to a wider cross section of women, you have to go a little further out to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:14 PM
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They get nothing. Just because you're kind to someone in no way implies that your kindness will be reciprocated. You can bend over backwards to please someone and they can ignore you the second you stop. Even your language here implies that there is an expectation of returned kindness. You show kindness and so you expect kindness in return. It's rare that anyone does things for people they don't expect reciprocation from. I'm not saying every woman is guilty of this, but some people are users, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:58 PM
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Most people are completely indifferent to other people. Most people don't do anything for anyone without expecting something in return. If you did a lot of nice things for your friends, you no doubt at a minimum expect them to keep being your friends. If they decided to stop you would no doubt feel taken advantage of. The woman in most of these situations wouldn't even know the guy existed if he didn't go out of his way to treat her special. This idea that everyone is nice to other people is jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 04:34 PM
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For most of those millions of years men have been important. Women needed men to survive. For how much of human history would choosing another woman as a mate even be viable?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:09 AM
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That's not at all what I'm saying. People can't choose what they're attracted to. But that doesn't mean what they're attracted to is not random. The environment you're raised in also has an effect on your sexuality. We live in a world where heterosexuality is the norm, it's not surprising that most women are going to engage in normative behavior when that's what has been conditioned to engage in since birth. In a world where the messages pushed to them in childhood weren't heteronormative (if Ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:25 AM
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I’ll just grab him by the collar, slap him around like the bitch he is and take whatever money he has on him As if anyone would care lol. People only care about women.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:29 AM
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It's hard to say what's conditioning and what's not, but women are pretty universally attracted to the other women, so in a world same sex relationships were the path of least resistance, it doesn't sound so crazy that a sizable portion of women would opt for that instead. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-34744903
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 02:06 AM
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Sure, I was ultimately just pointing out why just going out and doing activities you like isn't necessarily going to help you meet women and why one might feel the need to try activities they aren't necessarily interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 01:55 AM
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It is very possible. It's not like everybody is even in clubs or groups or the like. A lot of people, men and women alike, form their social groups through school, work and family and to the extent these groups expand, they expand through those leads. So it's not like the reasoning "Just join another group, the single women must be somewhere" really holds, it's not necessarily true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:07 PM
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It was a touch strong of me to say "most clubs", I'm sure it depends on the type of club and where exactly you live. That said, I've been to enough meetup groups to know that a lot of them are mostly men and any single woman in the group is going to get swarmed by dudes who are clearly only there to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:41 PM
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Those aren't the kind of things you're going to be invited to do unless you're already known to the group. If you have a small/non-existent social circle you have to join some sort of group or club, which is going to be centered around an activity. Most clubs are going to be male dominated since men will join them just to meet women, so if you want something that's not a sausage fest you'll have to pick something women like such as dance, art and maybe cooking, which you might not enjoy. Even if…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:03 PM
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It's a performance done solely for the woman's benefit, and it's not even really being vulnerable if you're just crafting an expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 12:28 PM
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They mean all these hidden meanings too! This is literally just something you're parroting, idk why y'all are like this. The word "Just" implies "do this and nothing else". Discourse has evolved to the point where we know this advice is obviously bad, so defenders of the phrase have given it additional meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 07:36 PM
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I think a late bloomer would be better suited to a younger woman than one his own age. However, younger women are in high demand and as such he is unlikely to actually succeed in dating one. Thus both he and the women he ends up dating are just going to have to deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:25 PM
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I mean, obviously. But, from the perspective of the asker, it's still slim odds. In the US, most women are overweight, so statistically only above average men are going to be able to get women who aren't overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:22 PM
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Realistically you need a partner to have sex, so transitively the statement holds even if being partnered itself is not biologically driven.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:39 PM
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This statement is completely illogical. If you get rejected a lot you can't be picky. Whoever you've carefully selected is more likely than not going to reject you. You just have to keep selecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:20 PM
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Black pill is “its all looks and theres nothing you can do about it” Disagree. Blackpill is "it's all looks" there's only nothing you can do about it if there's nothing you can do about your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:07 PM
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What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 12:55 PM
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She probably falls in the obese range tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 03:18 AM
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Put up a question about cold approaches and you're going to get lots of talk about being followed or being afraid to reject men because of how they might react. That sounds to me like they're afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:17 PM
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I'm sure women are put off by desperation. I'm saying I'm dubious of the claim that desperation is why they don't like cold approaches. I think the them being straight up afraid of men and additionally not being very attracted to most men in the first place has more to do with it. Why would they want unsolicited attention from frightening, unattractive people? Why would it matter how desperate the frightening unattractive people are? They're still not going to want to interact with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:57 PM
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You mean "probably" doesn't apply. That there are two different groups of women is just your guess, we don't actually have a way of knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:50 PM
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They don't like cold approaches because: They are afraid of men They aren't attracted to most men I don't know how much the man's desperation has to do with it and even the man's desperation does have something to do with it, I don't know how much it would matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:46 PM
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Men are the more active party in searching for partners and most women aren't interested. It has to be a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:23 PM
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This is based on the only number you're willing to look at and not what it actually says.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:18 PM
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Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same. That is a quote from the source. The breakdown you're referencing is the breakdown of the single people who are interested in any romance at all. Not all single people. A greater share of single men are interested in any romance at all. On top of there being far more single men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:43 AM
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So here's what you're doing wrong. Those numbers aren't about all men and all women.They're specifically about single men and women, who are interested in relationships. 63% of men are single 34% of women are single 50% if single men say they are looking for relationships of any kind, that's now 32% of men 35% of single women say the same, that now 11% of women. Of the single men that are looking 78% are interested in either long term only or are open to both. That's 25% of all men. Again 84% of…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:49 PM
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That's from your source which shows men are less interested in dating than women are. Are you only able to read the part of the graph that agrees with you? What does the column on the far right say? This is how the share of single Americans that are looking are divided, you may notice both sum to 100%. A greater share of single men are looking than single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 10:57 AM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:14 AM
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Census data which is often used as a counter, also supports the statement that there are more single men than women. It only disagrees on the disparity, not on the direction. It's very easy to criticize, it's much harder to actually "debunk".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 08:25 PM
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Being a whore isn't a bad thing in both men and women it's just neutral. It is not, it has a negative connotation, hence it's common use as an insult. Being a man doesn't mean letting any consenting adult women get your dick wet it. Doesn't matter what they allow, most men cannot really sleep around. It is too rare for a woman to actually be interested. The ones that can sleep around enough to warrant a label like whore are remarkable in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 07:12 PM
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The pew research that's been making a splash this year indicates that not only are there more men single than women, but single men are more likely to be interested in relationships (both long and short term) than single women are. The only men that are able to cheat are the ones in relationships. If you believe that dissatisfaction is a reason that men might cheat on their partners, then my theory still holds. Men are less likely to be satisfied with their partner, since they're less likely to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 06:02 PM
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Even if these men become conventionally attractive by showering regularly Lmao Anyway, you're not disagreeing with me. They don't have selective power. They can't choose a mate. They cannot say I like XYZ traits in women, so I'm going to look for a woman with XYZ. If a woman likes them, they'll take it, because that's the only option available to them. Whether it's just based on looks or it's based on 1 million other things, it wouldn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:31 PM
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People used to say this all the time. I don't really hear people say it anymore though.
/r/AllPillDebate03/09/23 05:22 PM
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They can, and to the extent that improvements are made, their options may improve. However, competition for women is steep, it always will be. Men are always going to have a hard time dating, and people who have a hard time are going to voice complaints. The truth is, men are more interested in relationships than women are, there are also more available men than women. Some men are going to get the short end of the stick, there's no way to avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:11 PM
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Socioeconomics relates to status and money. That's not necessarily tied to intelligence and competence. You can just be born in a better socioeconomic situation without needing to be especially intelligent or competent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 12:13 AM
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Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 12:00 AM
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Meaning intelligence increases your reproductive to a certain point until it doesn't. I'm fairly certain intelligence is negatively correlated with both sexual frequency and number of sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 11:58 PM
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I don't think Margot Robbie is as gorgeous as some people make her out to be, but in no world is she "mid". Anyone who thinks the median woman is as attractive as Margot Robbie needs to lower their expectations. Also very few women in Hollywood are mid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:16 PM
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Not really. More so I bet if they looked at it it likely be the same or men are less interested in dating today. They did look at it, and this isn't the case. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same. Regardless of the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 04:00 PM
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Define "struggle". All the numbers say the same thing, more men are single, single men are more interested in relationships than single women, women date a little older, men date a little younger. There's no way to avoid it, some young men are going to struggle. There's significantly more demand for women than for men. Some of the men have to get left out, there just aren't enough women to go around.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:52 PM
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Online sentiment is his livelihood, what people think about him online is important. Unless he's packing it up and retiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:12 PM
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Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same. Younger singles are also more likely than older singles to say they are currently looking for dates and/or a relationship. So yeah no matter how you slice it, according to pew there are more single men looking for relationships than single women doing the same, especially in the …
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 02:37 AM
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Majorities of singles in the 18-to-29 and 30-to-49 age groups are interested in a relationship or dates, but that’s not the case for their older counterparts. Half of those ages 50 to 64 and three-quarters of those 65 and older are not looking for either a relationship or dates at the moment. I assume this is the article these numbers are from https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ correct me if I'm wrong.
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 01:56 AM
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35% of single women 34% of women are single in that age range so 11% of all women in that age range. Same calculation you did to get to the 31.5% of men.
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 01:36 AM
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Doesn't that still leave a significant imbalance between the number of single men seeking relationships and single women seeking the same? Even if only around 31% of men are single and interested, only around 11% of women are single and interested. Sounds like there is some good reason to think that if you're a single man looking for a relationship with a woman between the ages of 18 and 29 that you're going to have plenty of competition since the ratio is near 3:1
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 01:29 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. But I don't see how it really matters. Children are guided by their parents. If your mother tells you X is a good tactic to attract women, it's not at all surprising that you would internalize X as a tactic for attracting women. Now you're 100% right, parents are likely to give bad advice on the topic. My contention is that parents are likely to give bad advice on every topic. Parents are just some people, they aren't inherently wise just because they had kids. They're still ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 10:55 PM
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There isn't really a parenting rulebook to follow, a parents job is whatever they want it to be. Anything you say is/isn't their job is based solely on what you think their job should be. A child's failure is of course not solely their parent's responsibility, but if one is to evaluate a parent's performance in some objective way, then their offspring's inability to secure romantic relationships later in life doesn't reflect well on their parenting. most cases, your parents have been out of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:33 PM
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Lol, that's obviously not true. Otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions. Worth is not objective, it's subjective. Men like women more, so it takes less for a woman to entice a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:07 PM
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A woman would report that as being "used" for sex, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:19 PM
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Everybody always claims to know some stereotypically unattractive person who absolutely slays, yet I've never seen such a person speak for themselves. Even if this person exists, you're an outsider looking in, how do you know that your brother's friend would agree with your assessment?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:34 PM
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Men just don't think of it as settling IMO. Men's expectations fall earlier in life, they probably don't even remember (without promoting) that they used to have higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:45 PM
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It's not that bad. But yes, any venue that is a known place for men to meet women is going to have more men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:07 AM
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Who wants sex from an asshole? This is not in contrast to what I'm saying. Women don't want most of the sex that is being offered to them, but it is being offered, it is available. No, it's not whenever you want because sex happens between two people. There is always some man that is willing and available to have sex, go on Tinder at any time of night and someone will be willing to come have sex with you. It's whenever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:05 AM
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Where are they complaining about getting too much SEX. That's not even the claim I made. I said "A woman can have as much sex as she wants". If you're getting sexual attention every time you go shopping, then you can get sex from any of the assholes giving you attention. Literally whenever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:59 AM
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Women complain about getting too much sexual attention. It's a common complaint. Unless these women are imagining things, it must be pretty easy for women to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:29 AM
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Women say this all the time, what are you going on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:12 AM
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If having sex is a marker of success, then I've been successful for a lot longer than I realized. For men. Any woman can have as much sex as she wants. A man getting a lot of sex means he's exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:43 AM
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Lol you'd be surprised. But not in large numbers, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:17 PM
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It is simply not normal for a man to not be able to get along with women from his own culture. How would you know? It hasn't been very long that most men would have a choice. Go back 2 generations and how many men of the same age could afford to just travel to another country on a whim. How would they even know there were greener pastures without the man on the internet telling them so. I promise you my grandfather at the age of 30 would have known exactly 0 things about Thailand and would have …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:28 PM
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It doesn't feel like being a dancing monkey when effort is reciprocal. Whether it's romantic or platonic, socializing with women can often be one sided, especially if you're a man low on the social totem pole. There's a greater demand for women in social situations than there is for men. Male-female interactions are on balance going to be more valuable to men than to women. Therefore women are less likely to be enthusiastic about any particular interaction with any particular man. I don't have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:13 AM
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If disinterest is the only thing you've ever experienced when interacting with women, then you're going to assume that's just the way women are. Some boys grew up being stone walled every time they tried to talk to a girl, so as adults they think that's just how women are. Like with everything, it comes down to an imbalance of interest between men and women. Men like women more than women like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:17 AM
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It's not what you say it's how you say it. I agree, people say the exact same thing in 2 different tones and call it disagreement all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:15 AM
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"Hard time" is relative. If you're comparing them to men, then yeah, a woman would have to be very unfortunate looking to struggle as much as the average man. But, compared to other women I can buy that black women have a hard time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 10:32 PM
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Do you even know what the data in that table represents?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:27 PM
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Fair. But then the answer is "yes", they usually don't go anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:38 AM
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I've been on 2 first dates that ended in make out sessions and then never heard from the women again. Women are weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:35 AM
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Men are more accepting of everything than women. Disabilities, disfigurement, poverty, it doesn't matter. If you're a woman odds are you can find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:25 AM
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Yeah, the age thing is definitely part of it, given women do have a tendency to date older. Likely a significant impact too, given the significant decrease in disparity in the next age bracket. But either way, if the numbers are correct, then it's not a good look for young men. There just aren't enough available women for all of them. Doesn't the inceling and assertions about Chad make sense in light of this, again assuming the data is correct. If there are twice as many single men as women in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:16 AM
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I haven't known very many women who sleep with more than 1 person at a time. But even if your experience is more common it doesn't really make a difference, since in either case both people should be counting themselves as "single", but they're clearly not. From my experience with women if she likes a man and she's sleeping with him, she's going to say she's in a relationship. The man however may disagree with that assessment, which is where I believe the discrepancy comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:00 AM
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Eh. Depends how you define harem. Like an actual harem with a single man sleeping with multiple women who all know about each other and are pleased with the situation? That doesn't really happen unless he's a celebrity. But a single man sleeping with multiple women who are hoping to form a monogamous relationship with him? I've seen that. Or a serial monogamous man who hops between several relationships in a year? That's not really a harem, but it does have somewhat of an effect on the ratio of …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:46 AM
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The options are that or the data is wrong. There really isn't a middle ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:31 AM
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Surveys and cold calling are notoriously, frowned upon in the scientific community for having huge bias and skewed results. Where are you getting this? Most stats you see in social sciences come from surveys. There's no other way to get this data.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:06 AM
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Whether or not a stat is valid depends on if you personally find it reasonable? Interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:43 AM
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Where does this stereotype come from? If they weren't rude they would be memorable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:17 AM
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Differences in appetites. They order the burger and they can't finish it or don't feel hungry the rest of the day. Or they skip meals the next day because they don't feel hungry or they forget to eat. When you have a big appetite gaining weight doesn't take willpower, but when you don't then it can take a lot. It's the same for losing weight tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 10:12 PM
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Yep, super easy, must be a skill issue on his end.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 10:08 PM
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Choose better parents next time. I say better, but I guess I should say different. I have a friend struggling to add 10lbs to the scale and I'm like "Damn bro, I can do that in a week".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:55 PM
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The disconnect comes from the difference between how male and female sexuality works. Unwanted female attention is not something most men are ever going to have. Too much attention is something they can't wrap their heads around. You can't remove the gender, because the gender is where the sticking point is. Straight men assume that if they were women they'd still have a man's brain and thus can't really experience unwanted attention from the opposite sex. As with all these things it really come…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:52 PM
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Do they? Some of them don't even believe in SMV at all (or so they claim) Blue pill doesn't really have anything codified, so "blue pill" takes range from deepest black pills to the height of Disney channel delusional. When things are considered "blue pill" it's not what is said, it's how it's said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:39 PM
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You must not come here often, it's extremely common.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:23 PM
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So by saying that the equivalent is men receiving attention from gay men, it is implied that women will never be attracted to average men. This is the case, and that's why it's equivalent. Women are actively repulsed by most men, their sexuality doesn't work like men's. The other factor to this is that women are afraid of men, which makes sense, men are more threatening than women. So to draw an equivalence it works on this level too. I realize women will say otherwise when they want to argue th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:17 PM
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A young women is still learning about the world and hasn't yet fully experienced adulthood. To think fully grown men can view them in a sexual nature is absolutely repulsive. What does this have to do with whether or not they're attractive? I genuinely don't get how experience and attractiveness are related
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 08:52 PM
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(the whole point of marriage is so you can't easily leave). Therefore this is not a virtue of marriage. If it's not good to force people to stay in situations they don't want to be in, then marriage is a bad thing (assuming this is the point of marriage)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:40 PM
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I figure having icks would be an ick actually. Or at least voicing them would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 04:59 AM
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Even if I grant that, the odds are only slightly better than a coin flip. Furthermore should we be striving to keep people in relationships they don't want to be in? Like if a woman wants to leave is it a good thing to try and obstruct her exit? Couldn't this same argument be used to justify financial abuse? If you make sure she doesn't have any money it makes it harder for her to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 04:24 AM
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Kinda dampens the earlier point though doesn't it? A woman can easily replace you whether you're married or not. So what difference does it really make?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:36 AM
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Oh, but you can just approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:21 AM
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I don't understand why women even need advice. There's been a willing mate at every place you've ever been to. I guess the only problem I see women having is that they feel used if sex doesn't translate into a relationship, which is the only leverage men have over them. Like I would say to just not have sex outside of marriage, but since that's not viable in the current meta, I'd say just don't be so uptight about it. Y'all claim you enjoy sex, so enjoy it and stop treating it as a bartering chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:15 AM
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Legs cause I enjoy being able to walk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 10:03 PM
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Making friends with women is easy if you're still in school. You can just talk to them, it's super low pressure and you're guaranteed to see them again so it doesn't feel as stilted and fake as it is as an adult, if you see each other often you're likely to form a friendship. As adults, I feel like you need friends in common to introduce you. As adults everyone feels very closed off from meeting strangers and because you're likely to never see this person again you have to kinda force a connecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:03 PM
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Untrue. Women can order dates like pizza if they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:22 PM
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I mean it's easy to say things. But if you go looking for these supposed displays of empathy I promise you're not actually going to find any.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:24 AM
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You need some self awareness my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:14 AM
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"listens to her" or " interesed in what i'm saying" "respets me" This is one that tilts me especially hard. The vast majority of my interactions with women are like talking to a brick wall. Getting more than "yes", "no", "fine", "it's ok" or other such 1 word answers is a rarity. I don't have a problem with listening, they just don't want to talk to me.
/r/AllPillDebate25/08/23 02:06 AM
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The best advice is to not base your self worth of having sex I don't think people can really choose what to base their self worth on. You can't choose what youwant you can only change what you do. This really isn't actionable advice. You also have to appreciate that romantic rejection starts in childhood, you can't just one day decide to stop caring about a pain you've been experiencing your entire life. Honestly if you're on the path of giving up then you're probably better off getting neutered…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:53 AM
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It's a lie... This is a justification after the fact. There's no empathy for lonely men, but because lacking empathy is bad you need a good reason not to have empathy, so you decide the reason is because they're lashing out. It's super easy to do too, you're only going to know a man is lonely if he voices dissatisfaction and if he voices dissatisfaction you can just categorize that as "lashing out" or "blaming others" and TADA it's always justified to not be empathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:32 AM
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Do you know what they are referring to when they say age gap? They are referring to the pay for the same job. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html Women work less hours, they don't work as hard and many of them have multiple years of maternity leave which would have otherwise been used to improve their position.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:20 AM
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Getting a good job isn't that hard. Maybe women need to step their game up and stop being so lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:15 AM
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There may be benefits to a smaller population, but we don't drop dead the moment our children come of age. With a lower birth rate we still have a growing population, but with a growing fraction of that population which is unable to actively participate due to old age. This would make sense if we didn't live so long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 09:12 PM
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At the end of the day it's what you're expected to do, not what you should do. The expectation is that if you're attracted to a man you're going to sleep with him early and you're only going to vet men you aren't all that attracted to. This is believed to be the way women operate. The belief is that you should vet everyone for compatibility before sleeping with them, but as I know you're not going to do that, not sleeping with me early is a sign you're not attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:20 PM
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One who fails to convince woman to have marriage/kids with him Fictional. If a woman will sleep with him, she'll marry him. There is no difference.
/r/AllPillDebate18/08/23 02:03 PM
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I mean, I'd believe you if you told me, more women liked Bowie than Tate, given Tate is the boogie man of the week. But the number of bodies doesn't really matter for them, cause they could both practically sleep with as many women as they wanted. I guess if you could anonymize them and do a poll it would be interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:07 AM
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Online dating is still men approaching. I don't know what else you'd call finding a stranger's profile and sending them a message in hopes they respond. Even bumble where it enforces women making the first move, women just send an emoji or something so that the guy can send a message and hope she responds. The only difference is it's not face to face.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:01 AM
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True, but unfortunately, some amount of delusion is required for the preservation of the ego. If you have the mindset that you approach where you are welcome and never press when you are not, it is very easy after the first 20 or so years of your life to come to the realization: "Ah, I am not welcome anywhere. I must now submit to despair". As this state is not desirable, I must choose to believe that I am able to create interest where there is none. Otherwise I will be forced to accept the pain…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:54 AM
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Tate could be full of shit, Bowie may not have written everything. It doesn't really matter. The point is, neither of them make for good data points, because if not for their wealth and status they wouldn't have the number of bodies they do. You can't say the number of women they slept with is an indicator of how attractive women found them, because even if they were both objectively unattractive, they'd still have insane numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:39 AM
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I don't care how much of a fuck you don't give. Bowie got more pussy than you ever will.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:33 AM
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Right, I don't know that they aren't attracted to Bowie to be fair. But, pointing out how much sex Bowie has doesn't mean anything, he could have looked like a wrinkled toad and he'd still fuck a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:31 AM
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Does he also have 1.5 times the bodies, because I feel like this is all speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:27 AM
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It's definitely true. The only reason to approach a woman is because she doesn't know you exist and you need her to know you exist so you can see if she finds you attractive. After that it's clear. If she's not treating you like a disease and is actually reciprocating interest, then she likes you. Women make it obvious, by being so standoffish most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:22 AM
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That starts in grade school with note passing. NOT ME. I do remember cute girls pulling me aside to ask me about my friends though. Thanks for the PTSD flashbacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:08 AM
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If women don't approach, it's just a drawn out version of the same thing. You're going to reject the men you don't like, so they'll never get a chance to take advantage of you. So you're left with the men who approach you, that you do like. The problem is, men ask women out at random. The fact that you are a woman and he saw you is probably enough of a reason to ask you out. So now you are left with the men who ask you out who may or may not take advantage of you, except it took you longer to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:06 AM
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It's better for everyone. Women can get the men like and not have them snatched away while they wait indecisively. It also takes the pressure off of men that don't get picked, don't need to waste energy approaching in a state where you're just going to get rejected. You can improve until you get picked or if you've reached your limit you can just start focusing on other things, women aren't for you. Women get to be in relationships with who they really want. Men can rest assured their woman real…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:47 AM
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Rules start to break down when you're rich and famous though. It's not like Bowie or Tate could have fucked as many women as they have if they just worked at the gas station. This is just speculation on my part, but I suspect a musician's body count is directly proportional to their record sales.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:37 AM
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I get it, you can't be lanky with great hair and styling, or have great conversation skills Functionally there is some of that, the pretty boy look is something you're kind of born with. Some men will look ridiculous with long hair, it's just not for them. But, everyone can get leaner and building more muscle is something everyone can do, and it is widely appreciated. There's no need to be as big as a body builder, but more muscle than average helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:29 PM
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Alright let's say taboo instead of denigrated. There was a time when you'd never see a fitness model posting their vial of tren on social media. Yet, I'm starting to see it now. Even 3 years ago, there's absolutely no way I'd expect to see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:14 PM
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I think both composite men are pretty big dudes. Though I will say the women's composite seems significantly more achievable than the male composite.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:11 PM
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They will never be Chris Evans, but they'll get as close as they can. That is being their best self.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:06 PM
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The fact that I've never heard of Trent Renzor might have something to do with it. But, Nine Inch Nails has been active since 1988, I'm seeing. That's not what's hot now. What's popular changes with time. Those marvel movies took over pop culture for the last decade. That's where the sex symbols of the last decade came from. To be fair there are men like Timotheé Chalamet who is on the smaller side, who young women seem to love. But, that man is so beautiful that I think even I might date him gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:59 PM
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Captain America and Thor are male beauty standards for men, not woman's. Hard to believe if you've ever heard women go on about it. Which they do. There's obviously a point at which women find a mass of muscle unattractive, but I think that point is bigger than most men are going to get, even with drugs, so I don't think it's something that realistically needs to be worried about. You may disagree obviously, and everyone can have their own preferences. But, I don't buy this idea that most women …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:43 PM
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Well they can't change their face or their height, so it would only make sense for them to change the things they can change. Men like women. If they hear women say "Chris Evans" is hot, they're going to try to look like Chris Evans. And they definitely hear women say Chris Evans is hot. You're not going to get them to retroactively get them to believe that you don't find Chris Evans' physique attractive after they've seen how women react to Chris Evans' physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:37 PM
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There has definitely been a male beauty standard culture shift in the last decade in which, within reason, more size means more attractive. Not saying the movies are solely responsible, but they definitely played a part. You say they worship guys even bigger than Evans, but Evans is already massive. It just shows you how much the standard is inflating. The situation is also evolving, steroid use isn't being denigrated like it was even 5 years ago. It's actually being embraced and celebrated. I'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:28 PM
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Because they want to look like Captain America and Thor from those marvel movies. Women do wet themselves over these men, so I don't know how we're supposed to think they don't like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:02 PM
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You're actually hitting the nail on the head. Women react to men trying to pick them up as if they were straight men being approached by gay men, which where the heart of 99% disconnects come from. Men are attracted to women, women are not attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:53 PM
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I could propose some theories, sure: People are used to fictional women being impossibly flawless and so they were put off by something they aren't used to. People react differently anonymously than they do face to face We have somehow found ourselves in a political situation where every action is seen as left or right leaning. The decision to create a less than perfect female character is going to be seen as a woke(left) and thus anger the "right" people. Incels, redpillers and other manosphere…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:50 PM
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Throw her on Tinder and she'll have somebody begging to sniff her panties by lunch time. That's literally all they mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:33 PM
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Conventionally attractive for a woman can be a high bar for women, I agree. But, that's not the standard men are using, they are comparing women to themselves, particularly on the basis of how much attention they get from the opposite sex. Take any thin woman and throw her in a T-shirt and jeans and she'll get as much attention as any male model.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:31 PM
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Anytime a man on here says women just have to be thin and learn to put on makeup This is all that is required to garner a level of attention from the opposite sex which only the world's most attractive men could match. They're men, they're going to use a man's standard for attractiveness, not a woman's. Be a thin woman and do literally nothing else and you'll get as much opposite sex attention as literal Adonis.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:17 PM
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Well why would women ever need to settle to get sex? It's following the same principle. You finally realize you can't get what you want, from who you want, so you lower your standards and take what's available.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:20 PM
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So gender swapped AF/BB?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:38 PM
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This makes you sound weird and antisocial. But unironically this is how women sound talking about men. They then go on to talk about how men should treat them like people as they treat men like garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:26 PM
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Men don’t accost men and demand their time and attention, do they You can stop a man and have a conversation about anything and it would never be a problem. Women are the ones that act stuck up in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:13 PM
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He could be overestimating it. Or he's just not attractive. There's a real possibility that no women that he's going to meet in public find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:05 PM
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He doesn't know what he's looking for because he's never seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:21 PM
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So given that the bar is being set currently at "get a girl" and not "become Casanova". Looking better gets it done. If you're the finest dude in the world you don't have to think about it so much. Just go say hi like a normal person and you'll find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:32 PM
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Better advice. Because how you look is all that really matters in this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:16 PM
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Can you guys really not tell if a woman wants you to approach her in public? No woman has ever wanted him to approach, he can't tell because he's never experienced it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:11 PM
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If a woman gives you the eyes, or gives you the look. The real problem is that some men just genuinely never get "the look". Women just aren't interested in them. It really isn't going to matter how they approach
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:08 PM
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I wonder if it's just that women have never been in the position and can't relate. I've hung out with a girl and had to listen to her complain about how "she can't find a man" when she just rejected me like the week before. I fail to see how that friendship is good for my self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 12:57 AM
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More often than not guys don't even lie to them. They just have sex with them without explicitly committing as long as possible. When asked straight up the guys usually say they aren't interested in long term commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:36 PM
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Dating would be fun if getting dates wasn't so hard. If you can just get a date whenever you want, then dating can be low pressure. When it takes months to get another date then every date becomes high pressure.
/r/AllPillDebate15/08/23 11:25 PM
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To be fair. I don't think women take the fact that people of the opposite sex find them attractive as a guide for whether or not they're attractive. Which makes sense given men are attracted to such a wide cross section. I think "female beauty standards" are whatever the highest status men are attracted to, rather than what the majority of men are attracted to. (Because nobody cares about the opinions of most men) The highest status men have IG models on their arms, and some of these models have…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:41 PM
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If you can't save society. And the societal norm is men being victims (your word, not mine). Then broadly men are victims and will continue to be. Seems like a valid description to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:23 PM
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I thought we were speaking in general. Why speak about me specifically? The board is about discussing gender dynamics, not specific individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:17 PM
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I used the word want. What you're saying amounts to just giving up on those things. Which for most isn't going to happen. Relationships are too much of a social norm for men to just hold out. It's not realistic to expect men en masse to just stop caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:14 PM
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Most people presumably want long term relationships at some point. It's a major life goal at some point. I don't believe most men are capable of putting very many specifics on the type of partner they want and actually secure that partner. Men aren't so non-descript about a partner because they don't care. They're non-descript because becoming attached to a specific woman is a failing strategy. Mutual attraction is too rare. The odds of meeting a woman, liking something specific about her and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:08 PM
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Well the source of the desperation is the lack of options. Presumably most men want a relationship. However some men don't really have a choice in their partner. They take what's offered, or they get nothing at all. The idea that they're going to attract some specific woman who they think is special is a pipe dream. It's not going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 04:45 PM
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Because it's a dumb thing to say. You just call anything negative the patriarchy, whether men have anything to do with it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 04:26 PM
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That's happening in this reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 08:52 PM
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Cognitive bias. When you make uncontrolled observations you're going to see what you expect to see. It's for this reason that the common "Just go to Walmart" thing is so dumb.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 05:20 PM
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but you need something to keep that interest going. Conversations have two parties. If the other party isn't interested in the conversation, the conversation is going to be boring. It doesn't matter what you say. Looks definitely play a part in how interested the other party will be in the conversation.
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 01:13 PM
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If Chad didn’t like himself, women would still offer him a big, bottomless basket of pussy. And thus he'd like himself. Chad is going to like himself, he gets positive reinforcement. It's way easier to like your life when your life is good.
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 01:01 PM
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Social activities which appeal to both genders are broadly going to have more men. Men will go to things like nightclubs,even if they hate it, just because women might be there. Only women who like nightclubs are going to be there, so it ends up as men outnumbering women. Same happens with other types of events. A board game meetup is going to have men joining in hopes of meeting women, so it'll have more men in general. However, I think women go out more in general, they just do things men aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 03:37 AM
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Precisely why I don't like the word "overweight". Ok, but you're using it. If you're going to use the word you can't apply your own definition. Nobody is going to understand what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:15 PM
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Chubby at best and I don't consider chubby to be overweight. Words have meanings. Other people can't read your mind and see what you consider overweight. The average person is overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:10 PM
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Delayed ejaculation is a medical condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:11 AM
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Now this is an accurate recreation. User 6 is a direct quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:25 AM
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Sure, but it doesn't work like that. Halo effect and all that noise. The less attractive man is going to be viewed as less trustworthy. On top of that women are also attracted to characteristics that make men outwardly more of a threat. Acting too meek or servile is more likely to turn them off than attract them. Trying to be as inoffensive as possible isn't going to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 01:54 AM
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Well, from his perspective it didn't matter whether or not he was dangerous right? Just whether or not he was attractive. That's blackpill in a nutshell
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 01:38 AM
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You have to keep in mind that this is a rationalization. When she says she's more reluctant to sleep with some because of risks/safety concerns, you don't know how much she actually does that vs. how much she's just saying it to win an argument. Friend zone Freddy definitely poses no real danger, but she's not gonna fuck him either. It really comes down to whether or not she's attracted to the other party, the risk thing is just an argument to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 01:33 AM
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You do understand that a study finding a general trend in a sample doesn’t mean the opposite can’t exist in real life right? If a sample is representative you would expect similar observations in real life. If the majority of young men aren't in relationships, it seems a bit odd that you would not only know "lots" of young men in relationships, but also lots of them with significantly more attractive partners, which as far as I know isn't the norm. You could know many couples like this, but then…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 12:58 PM
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They literally explain in the article that it’s due to women dating older men. This doesn't mesh with your earlier claim that you know a lot of young couples with unattractive men and beautiful women. There aren't all that many young couples in general by this reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 12:41 PM
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Naturally we should all act in accordance with what you can tolerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:16 PM
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I have a friend try to set me up with one of her female friends once and I still haven't heard the end of it. She would not stop asking me to justify rejecting her friend, and I was too polite to say her friend was fat and ugly.
/r/AllPillDebate26/07/23 11:31 PM
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So would you say you enjoy it less now than you did then? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 10:00 PM
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Can't you use this argument to dismiss any metric? If you're going to do that what's the point of comparison. Men are willing to pay for sex, you certainly aren't. But then you can just say "well maybe I'm just more financially responsible than men". Would YOU get yourself killed for sex? If you had given me a 50/50 odds of either having sex or getting shot when I was 17 I would have taken it. I'm older now and genuinely not as interested in sex though, so now, no I wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:22 PM
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With the number of ways available to avoid pregnancy I don't know if that's really all that much of a risk. You can avoid pregnancy and still have as much sex as you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:15 PM
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I really don't think you appreciate just how much men are willing to do for sex. Men have gotten themselves killed over sex, if you're put off because someone might not call you back the next day you definitely don't like sex as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:38 PM
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If you think I wrote multiple paragraphs with an in depth explanation It's adorable how you think she read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:04 AM
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Same reason they like weddings so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 11:58 PM
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The average American single handedly makes nearly twice the income which would be considered poor for a family of 2, so you're going to have to define what poor means, because the average American would only be considered poor if they were the sole earner in a family of 5. The avg male is 5'9. Are you trying to say this is short? Cause that would be some delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:50 PM
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The average person isn't poor or short, so no, that doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:53 PM
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Below average = typical non working or unstable working man, entitled, no work ethic, unkempt face and hygiene, height is hidden with poor posture. Lol, I like how you structure your description to argue with blackpillers. You could just say "poor, ugly and short", but instead you've phrased it such that every shortcoming of your below average man is his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:48 PM
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Correct, thus your earlier moralizing about respecting the animal was nonsense. You just have a problem with the aesthetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 03:32 AM
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So here's the thing. The psychology today about the rise of lonely, single men which popularized this talk of emotional intelligence placed the blame primarily on men's lack of emotional intelligence. However, in my experience, getting a woman to even engage in conversation with you in the first place is a much steeper hurdle than maintaining the relationship once it's formed. Women are only going to have complaints about the emotional intelligence of men they're actually engaging with. It doesn…
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 02:20 AM
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That animal picture is going to be replaced by some activity he doesn't actually like and then you're gonna complain about people pretending to be someone they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 02:02 AM
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You could say the same to anyone who posts their meals on Instagram. The picture likely contains a dead animal that you're about to eat. The only difference is that in the cooked form it looks pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 01:57 AM
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I think it's fairly obvious they're posting the dead critter because they're proud of it. Hunting/fishing/whatever is probably a big part of their life. Essentially what you're saying is they should hide/downplay things they care about if those things aren't sexy, which is part of the reason you end up with people putting on fake personas.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 01:52 AM
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Holding up dead animals they've killed? Be sure to only have woman approved hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 01:41 AM
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That's 1 too many standards my guy. Gotta add the MAGA women to the list you're being way too picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:18 PM
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There are groups of such men, who are friends with each other, so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:52 PM
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They have tons of sympathy for unrequited love, <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:42 PM
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It's a cultural norm, we're programmed from childhood to see marriage as a goal, thus we seek that goal. People dream of getting married long before they even have relationships. These men have no idea whether or not marriage will be a pro or a con for them, because they start seeking marriage long before they even meet a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 02:02 AM
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Chicken vs. Egg Are they successful because they're married or are they married because they're successful. If some dude won the lottery, I can guarantee his life will suddenly have an influx of marriage minded women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:27 AM
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It's 3 things: Older women are more desperate, their friends are all married with kids, they're missing out, and their first choice of men are off the market. For some percentage of men it has to get better, because it literally can't be worse. You can't get less than 0. Older men make more money and that matters to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:21 PM
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Most women in social groups you will warm approach aren't going to ask you to suck your cock, start voraciously licking their lips The person who said this, as always, talks like real life is an American Pie movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:07 AM
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Name one person who looks like me and is also as autistic as I amand hasn't off'd themselves. I'm sure you'll find some amongst the homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:02 AM
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As real advice, join social activities you're interested in doing, so that you'll make more friends, that may lead you to meeting women. It's going to be slow and without guarantees, but unless you're the type of guy that can pick up women in nightclubs that's really your only choice. As a doomer, most hobbies you'd be interested in probably aren't going to give you a very good chance of meeting women. Everyone hears the advice to join clubs/groups to meet women, now these groups are full of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:54 PM
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Sounds like a good man. Lol, not necessarily. He's just waiting because he doesn't have anyone else that will give him the time of day. It doesn't even mean he even likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:54 AM
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How though? A man who's sleeping with other women doesn't have to tell you. A man who's waiting just because he has no other options is just going to wait as long as you want him to wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:27 AM
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At this age there are no women that "won't care". There may be women that will accept it, but the idea they wouldn't care is ridiculous. I've had this discussion on here too. Even the people that say "don't lie", usually say "don't bring it up", which of course means they know you should hide it, it's just that explicitly lying feels worse to them for some reason. Lie if that's what you have to do. The women don't understand, they've never been faced with the dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 04:20 PM
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Oh I meant if you were trying to avoid using prostitutes. If you start seeing a woman you don't have to let her know you're a virgin, and they won't really be able to tell. If you want to have a relationship, women are going to have a problem with you having seen prostitutes too, so that's just gonna be another mark against you. But if you give up/don't care, then I agree, just see a prostitute. I think prostitution would be better for everyone if it was legalized and regulated. Human traffickin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 04:01 PM
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You can also dodge the question/lie if a woman asks you about it. If she doesn't ask you about it, then you're fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 03:52 PM
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Any selection you make just based on the people you see around you is going to be biased. It's only going to consist of people you happen to know and worse people you happen to notice. Your own biases as well as the fact that similar people tend to group with each other is going to make any observation like that at least a little skewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 12:54 AM
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All that college education, yet you can't see why you and your friends don't constitute a representative sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 10:13 PM
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Men have been killed for less and I don't have a death wish. Last time that happened to me I got between them and kindly asked him to stop please. He kept trying to talk to her a little, but it didn't come to violence or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:32 AM
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I think it can be both an insult and advice. Like, the implication that you won't be able to find a woman any other way is insulting. But, it might also be true. I believe that not everyone is cut out for romantic relationships, as much as that sucks. I have a hard time believing that men who struggle for female attention way more than the average are just going to one day have a functional relationship. Some will, sure, but we can't all be the exception. With escorts you can at least get sex, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:21 PM
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I don't know about you, but when I'm trying to solve a problem I find it useful to understand the facts as they are. I think aimless venting is actually a great way to get thoughts out. If I've already organized my thoughts in a goal oriented way, that means I've already identified the heart of the problem. That's not sharing emotion, that's sharing a problem statement at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 03:57 PM
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be vulnerable and show your emotions, but do so with the intention of having it be a problem to solve rather than just aimless emotional vomit, Ok. But from my perspective showing this vulnerability with a person I have to tailor my display of emotion to is a waste of energy. With my friends I can just be straight up, it's easier to find solutions if I don't have to be framing the situation in a hyper palatable way. Like for me, if I'm going to a woman with my tailored version of my emotions it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:39 PM
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Whiny pieces of shit pointing fingers at other people for their personal failures is unacceptable Yes your highness, thank you for that decree. I'll alert the neckbeards at once. We don't even tolerate KARENS doing that, I don't know who the fuck "we" is. People complain about everything their wives, their husbands, their jobs, their cars, every fucking thing. If you just shut up everyone who ever complained about their life circumstances you wouldn't have anybody to talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 01:18 AM
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You realize that you don't actually know that right? You have no way of knowing what is holding a person back. This is the same temporarily embarrassed millionaire type thinking, you don't know a person's circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 01:08 AM
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Also, desperation is the sign of a bottom tier person. Even if that's the case, bottom tier people presumably still want to date I know your response is going to amount to "shut the fuck up and stop complaining", because that's your response to everything. But, people are allowed to complain... Have you considered that maybe these men, just know they can't do better and just have to live with a less than ideal set of circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 12:54 AM
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The numbers do matter because that’s what people find unbelievable about black pill. If the numbers were like 2% of men are single virgins and 2% of women have slept with 100+ men people would be more likely to believe it. Blackpill spaces tend to literally just report what the data says. People literally don't believe the data. It's not like it's made up, blackpill has more evidence supporting it, than any of its opponents. But just go to any Walmart and you’ll see some short, fat, bald guy wit…
/r/AllPillDebate06/07/23 06:34 PM
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statistics” like 80 percent of men remain single virgins and 99% of women have been with 100+ men are just untrue. Hyperbole aside, what the statistics do say is that women are less interested in men than vice versa. Does it matter what the exact numbers are? Dating as a man is going to be hard. If you happen to be a below average man, I don't believe you should be getting your hopes up too high, because chances are you aren't going to have the most fulfilling love life. I honestly think it woul…
/r/AllPillDebate06/07/23 05:38 PM
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I don't think people really deny the blackpill. It's really more about the messenger and how the message is presented. If you're unattractive, your opinion is most likely going to be dismissed out of hand anyway, because people make negative assumptions about the unattractive people. Your opinion is going to be doubly dismissed if you're complaining about looks, because people don't have sympathy for unattractive people. Soften the language and more people will accept the premise. People talk ab…
/r/AllPillDebate06/07/23 03:35 PM
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I read some of her comments and the problem is pretty clear. She's relying on men in the program to approach her and a "player" or wanna be player is just going to be more likely to approach. Most of the guys are going to assume she has no interest and just wants to be left alone (because that's what people always say). Granted I'm sure she wouldn't be interested in most of them anyway, but it's not like she's actually gotten a chance. If she's going to wait around for someone to take initiative…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:25 PM
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Life isn't fair . It's not a psychopath's fault that they're a psychopath, you still shouldn't date one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:17 AM
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This isn't so bad. I doubt most people really get to be with their first choice, willing to bet she isn't his first choice either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:24 PM
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You can't take anything from this, given the green card that's on the line.
/r/AllPillDebate01/07/23 05:44 PM
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Yes, I do think incels are overrepresented in the blackpill. That's not the question I was responding to.
/r/AllPillDebate30/06/23 09:53 PM
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Lol, are all blackpillers incels, no because some blackpillers fuck
/r/AllPillDebate30/06/23 08:54 PM
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"Looks matter more than anything" is a very simple proposition that a lot of the mainstream already accepts. Is it? Could have fooled me. Either way whether or not that's all the blackpill says, it's the heart of any other proposition that it makes. There's nothing preventing someone who's not an incel from believing it.
/r/AllPillDebate30/06/23 08:53 PM
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This is again, just denying that there's a larger problem. Yes, an individual can solve an individual's problem. But when the problem is affecting, let's just say 30% of men for the sake of argument, then indicates something is structurally wrong. I've known poor people who've worked hard and got out of their situations. Yet poverty remains a problem. The same logic applies to the problem of intersexual dynamics, assuming you agree that there is even a larger problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 03:27 PM
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Before solutions can be discussed there would have to be an acknowledgement that there's even a problem, and generally people can't even do that. If young men are struggling to find partners, why is that? Is it that they don't have enough money? That they're too out of shape? Are women just not interested in relationships anymore? Who knows. But at this point most people don't even want to acknowledge that there is a problem, so it's kinda hard to get anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 03:09 PM
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Please, enlighten me.
/r/AllPillDebate30/06/23 03:01 PM
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If it’s a problem that can only be solved by compelling people to have sex with you Why do you assume that the only way the problem can be solved ?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 02:54 PM
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I'm sure that's true for some. Not sure how this is relevant to the question Looks being more important than anything else is the centeral thesis of the blackpill, you don't have to be an incel to believe that.
/r/AllPillDebate30/06/23 02:47 PM
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Nope. I think anyone who's ever been unattractive, regardless of whether or not they get laid now, will at least agree that looks matter more than anything else.
/r/AllPillDebate30/06/23 01:13 PM
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I'm saying that a HVM can find a partner that will allow him to sleep with other women as a condition of their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:08 PM
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They evidently are. There's nobody better fit to judge a man's value than straight women, and straight women's choices indicate these are the best men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:05 PM
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Maybe, maybe not. But the kinda tabloid news that would report on this kind of thing is concerned with the high status man and not his comparatively unimportant wife, so I have no way of knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:02 PM
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A HVM, as defined by OP, doesn't need to be monogamous. He can find a partner that will not enforce monogamy on his end if he really wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:20 AM
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Good luck getting a woman to agree to that. Pretty sure OP knows he won't. What OP is describing happens all the time though. Generally whenever a man with a big name is married to a woman without a big name, especially if he's young, you can guarantee she turns a blind eye to him sleeping with other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:17 AM
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Otherwise, so many people wouldn’t have a lot of shit to say about other generations. Men and women of the same generation rarely have anything positive to say about each other either, so I don't know what this is supposed to mean. People of different generations rarely have things in common they like. Men and women in general tend to have different interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:47 PM
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Yeah, cause they're superior men, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:18 PM
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Thanks that answers my question, there is some threshold higher than Quasimodo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:06 PM
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Most people prefer dating within their age range. It's not as if most men actually have the option of dating much younger women. A declared preference is obviously dubious when it is more of a mandate than a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:04 PM
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So the only thing making Quasimodo here unattractive is a lack of connection?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:55 PM
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When really they just are talking about being attracted to someone which isn't really a threshold so much as not being attracted to every being with genitals you desire. Do you think that women are more likely to be attracted to people who are more attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:03 PM
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Above average. 4 - 7 dates in a year is right about average, but 4 - 7 dates with women who are actually attractive is well above average. So this is an above average experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:52 PM
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Are men constantly submitting to their bosses at work then? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:46 PM
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It has nothing to do with whether or not they're friends. Women just don't find most men attractive. It makes sense for a man to be interested in his female friends. They have a bond, they share interests, hobbies, history, etc. More often than not the woman's not attracted to the man though, so dating is impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:28 PM
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Lol, anti-incel subs are full of incels looking for brownie points. "Sure I've never so much been allowed to breathe the same air as a woman without wearing an N95 mask, but that has never once made me hate them. These guys are such losers 🤣🤣🤣" I really think some of them believe that shit is somehow going to get them laid.
/r/AllPillDebate28/06/23 07:39 PM
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You must realize that someone who's not going on dates because they're either prioritizing other things or just don't want to, is going to be in a very different frame of mind than someone who couldn't find another date if they wanted to. I suppose not being able to find a date you're interested in must feel bad, but then imagine how the men you're not interested in must feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 06:51 PM
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Lol, sometimes I wonder if you're trolling or if chicks really make it that easy for you. If I said some shit like that to a chick, I'm either getting a wall of upset text or radio silence, there is no middle ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 04:50 PM
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Why can't you go on a date with a different guy every night? I don't understand what would be stopping you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 04:36 PM
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Lol, with either of these methods, sometimes it can be months between actual dates. I've come to the realization that women either can't / won't believe this, but it's harder to take a date lightly when you don't know when you'll be able to find another one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:42 PM
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I don't think I have very much in common women my own age either. My life had a slower start than most, so most women my age are looking to settle down while I'm just getting started. A younger woman is probably around a more similar life stage honestly, but younger women are harder to get, so I'll just have to coalesce to what's available, rather than seek compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 09:34 PM
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Most women aren't going to be in a position to be with a man like this, so it's hard to say that all women are like this, since we'll never get a chance to test the theory. I will say it's an interesting coincidence that so many of these men find women who are okay with them sleeping with other women though
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 08:03 PM
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I guess it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 06:00 PM
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Even if that's the case, if he's not attracted to her, there's no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 05:58 PM
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That's just another reason that book can't be very helpful. "Don't be born amongst the poors, be hot, ask nicely"
/r/AllPillDebate26/06/23 10:13 PM
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Lol, you need a book to tell you to be hot and ask nicely.
/r/AllPillDebate26/06/23 10:01 PM
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That's definitely possible, but from Myron's perspective it's just that she doesn't respect him enough to allow it. These kind of one sided open relationships do happen for celebrities, athletes and the like who are arguably the most desirable, but inarguably the highest status men. Their wives tend to be ok with them sleeping around. You could say that it's only a certain type of woman that would be okay with that, but most women aren't in a position where they'd ever be able to be with that ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:39 PM
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Myron's typical argument is that most women don't usually have a desire to sleep around, so the point is moot. Being in a committed relationship with a man they love and respect is typically all a woman wants, whereas men would still sleep with other women if they could. Thus by being in a monogamous relationship the woman's desires are met, but the man's are not necessarily met. Idk if it's true that women don't have a desire to sleep with other people when they're in relationships, but if a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:01 PM
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Then go murder someone and enslave their children. It's just the natural order anyways. If I were a dictator with power I could do this in a heartbeat and nobody could stop me. How does being privileged make you a better leader exactly? It doesn't make you a better leader, it does however make you the leader. That's my point, it wouldn't even matter if women were better leaders, they still wouldn't get to lead. Is that why dictators make such great leaders then? Same point as above, it doesn't m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 07:03 PM
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It doesn't matter who deserves what's moral or ethical or healthy, that's not how the world works. People don't get power because they're good people, in fact it's usually the opposite. People have power because they have the ability to take power. Whether that be their physicality, their charisma, their intellect, their beauty, whatever, that's what grants them power. The men with the most power in society are the men with the greatest ability to take power, that's really all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:56 PM
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So we should also allow slavery then? Nobody allows slavery. There is no "we". If someone wants to make you their slave, and you don't have a way to stop them, they will. That is the natural order, the strong take what they want because nobody can stop them. Men get murdered and imprisoned for shit too, because the man who has the power decided that's how it was going to be, and if you can't stop him, that's how it's going to be. You don't like the modern dating culture? Maybe stop being weak, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:40 PM
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I'm not even sure if that works, cause at the end of the day a man is still a man. I think people underestimate how much power is just appearing to have power. I think a big part of respect at the highest level is intimidation, women don't look threatening enough to be taken seriously in some contexts, they gotta take that up with God.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:11 PM
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If both of you aren't models, one of you is lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 05:52 PM
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Yeah we do it now. But in a world where women rule and men either have access to as much sex as they want or have no hope of getting sex at all, women would just force us to work. Whips, chains, the whole 9 yards, we just wouldn't be given a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 05:49 PM
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That's the natural order... One reason men have historically been more powerful is because women can't stop them. Men that have ruled societies have done so because nobody can stop them, least of all a woman. Nothing's stopping women from holding all the power they want now, all they have to do is the same thing powerful men do, take the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 05:40 PM
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who will do the work? Humanity will regress if men dont work. As if women wouldn't quickly enslave men. They aren't fooling me with this empathetic gender crap, men would immediately be forced into manual labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 05:32 PM
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Ngl, this actually works great. Makes the whole dating process much less stressful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 03:02 PM
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Ehhh, I can't speak for most guys in a general sense, but I just looked through a group chat I've been in since highschool, so about 11 years now. 19 guys in it, 5 of them married. The 5 married ones have had 1 - 3 girlfriends, counting highschool relationships. 4 that have never had girlfriends, kissless virgins, you know what I mean 2 that I know date around a lot, but are rarely ever in official relationships So 8 remaining single, I'd say 1 - 3 relationships. So I'd say based on what I'm see…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 01:31 AM
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Probably has something to do with it. But idk if what the telltale signs of them being mixed and not white are.
/r/AllPillDebate25/06/23 04:06 PM
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When I was growing up* Adults would talk about it. The consensus was pretty much that you needed European features to win, could just be jealous woman talk, idk, but that's what was said.
/r/AllPillDebate25/06/23 03:49 PM
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I grew up in Jamaica actually. That's why it stood out to me. I remember when I was younger people would say the judges were racist, those winners never really counted as black.
/r/AllPillDebate25/06/23 03:32 PM
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They look mixed to you? They look white to me. If you told me either of these women were straight out of Europe I'd have no reason to doubt you.
/r/AllPillDebate25/06/23 03:14 PM
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2 of the 4 Ms. Worlds from Jamaica are white, though it's the 2 earlier ones, so maybe opinions are changing in the modern day. Or maybe there's an effort to avoid race bias.
/r/AllPillDebate25/06/23 02:54 PM
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Fine. The reason doesn't really matter, the point is, it's not hard to tell a teenager from a woman in her late 20s, the difference is usually quite clear. My point was just that younger women look better, a lack of wrinkles works just as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:08 PM
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Healthy BMI is already smaller than average, if you're on the low end of healthy BMI you are way smaller than average size.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:49 PM
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The analogy assumes that just about any woman should be good enough. This is why I get confused when people talk about how men should be vetting. In reality they are expected to be happy with whatever they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:37 PM
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If you stack on enough negatives sure. Most men would not consider dating the worst imaginable option, but is that a fair comparison? "Lower" does not mean "as low as possible".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:22 PM
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I am 36 and someone legit thought I was a teenager the other day. You are definitely aware that this isn't the norm. My guess is that you are more petite than most women around you, that's the only way you'd be mistaken for a teenager. If this was true older guys would be going for women in their late twenties that look young, They don't? Most women this age are already drowning in offers, if they're more attractive than average they definitely already have older men going after them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:17 PM
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Is that hypergamy? Looks are somewhat subjective so let's discount them for a moment. If the man's eventual wife is lower status than he is, is he hypergamous just because he would be with a higher status woman if he could? My understanding of hypergamy is that a mate with lower status would not be considered at all. But, if you define hypergamy as wanting the best mate you can get, then I agree everyone is hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:50 PM
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I think so yeah. "Willing" might be a tricky word there, as they probably don't do it happily, but they do eventually do it. I honestly don't believe most marriages occur because both parties are head over heels with each other, rather I think it just comes down to the best they could do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:43 PM
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How many wealthy men are willing to marry and offer time and effort towards a woman below their status/looks preference? Yeah, but these are peak men, obviously they're going to pair off with the peak women, why would you use them as your example? I think most average men would be willing (and probably have to) date below their looks/status preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:38 PM
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It's wishful thinking. Younger women are way pickier than women my age. For college age women some of their barely legal-ass boyfriends are flexing on them way harder with their parents money than I can with my 9-5. The younger women are just more attractive, obviously they'll get more attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:25 PM
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You know of 30 year olds dating 16 year olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:07 PM
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the guy seeking them out is often looking for someone he can easily manipulate. It also indicates he cannot handle a woman who knows her own mind and is confident. The younger woman is just more attractive. It has nothing to do with who's confident or who's vulnerable the younger one looks better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:03 PM
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I thought I was the only one who saw this, most guys I know that are married never really "dated", they had one girlfriend and that's about it. The ones I know that date are perpetually single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:48 AM
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Somebody made a post about axioms the other day and they were 100% right. Agreement is scarcely reached on things that are straight up facts. If you can't agree on the "what" , then there's no point in trying to reason about the "why".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:31 AM
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Deadbeat dad's don't care about my criticism. The deadbeat dad doesn't want to raise the kid, he's doing what he can to avoid it. The shame means nothing to him. If women want to avoid raising a kid on her own she needs to do what she can. Ideally she shouldn't have kids out of wedlock, but if that's impossible/undesirable, well at least avoiding men who already have children they aren't taking care of would be a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:21 PM
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She isn't. But the guy still has to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:18 PM
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Being discerning is for women tbh. The rate of rejection is too high to only go after women you've built a connection with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:34 PM
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Wait, I don't think we're disagreeing. I'm saying just go for it whether or not a woman seems interested, cause if you wait till a woman seems interested you may just end up never trying. And yeah you can tell if a woman is interested immediately, but you should try asking her out regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:15 PM
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Right, I'm saying sometimes that really just doesn't happen. Like it's conceivable to go years without interacting with a woman who's willing to even pretend to be interested in what you have to say. And then when you do, sometimes they're just friendly, sometimes you turn them off, sometimes it just doesn't work out. So sometimes you may as well risk direct rejection, maybe you'll get lucky, because if you wait until a woman reciprocates you may not have any luck for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:07 PM
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They make is so fucking easy to see if they're interested in you. I agree. You can tell a woman is interested pretty easily. Honestly if you try to talk to a woman and she's , you know, actually engaging in the conversation, then you can tell she might be willing to give you a shot. My personal experience is that it can be kinda rare though. I know that before my mid 20s, I'd never really had a woman express interest, so OP may have just never seen what you're talking about. May as well tell him…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:40 PM
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For women it has no effect on relationship frequency. I'd be surprised if anything does tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:32 PM
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While I agree if viewed as a market women make rational decisions when it comes to mate selection, doesn't that just indicate that the market analogy holds?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:51 PM
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If a young woman's issues render her incapable of making her own decisions, I don't see why an older woman's issues would be any different. As long as everyone's an adult then they have that right. If we don't consider women below 25 or whatever the cutoff is, mature enough to consent then we shouldn't consider them adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:00 PM
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Some older women also have issues. Are you saying on balance that younger women are more likely to have issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:42 PM
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So what you're saying is some young women are easily manipulated and some aren't, which doesn't really imply anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:31 PM
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The statements are contradictory they can't both be true. If you're going to say that only some young women are easy to manipulate then surely some older women are also easy to manipulate. If some young women being easy to manipulate means that no young woman can be trusted to make their own decisions about who to date, then surely no woman can be trusted to make her own decisions about who to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:21 PM
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It's the skull shape, some men look better bald than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 05:04 PM
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"They" are trying, it'll be available within the next decade I'd wager.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:20 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:04 PM
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How many of them would lie? 90% or so I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:57 PM
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Don’t ask dead beat dads to take responsibility If the dead beat dads cared, you wouldn't have to ask. If the woman is, in all likelihood, going to be the one stuck with the child, the onus is on her to avoid that outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:32 PM
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“beauty is in the eye of the beholder” This expression is referring to physical appearance though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 09:51 PM
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Women don't like sex, I'm telling you. Imagine a man saying he's been used for sex. Men don't complain about getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:22 AM
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So if everybody was an axe murderer it'd be unreasonable to not want a partner that won't try to kill you? Unironically yes. You can stay single if that's what you prefer, but what makes you so special that you should monopolize one of the few women that aren't going to try and kill you? I'm not marrying a slut whose had casual sex with half the town and cheated on all her boyfriends. You don't have to, but if that's all that's available, you either take it or stay single, you don't have a third…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:44 PM
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Home boy... They don't care what their parents think. They don't care what their peers think. Rejection rolls off their back like water off a duck They don't care if they get to participate in extremely common and popular activities They feel no anxiety about their future sexual success, given their current romantic failure But the economy has them sweating... This isn't normal... like how many people are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:53 PM
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The reason your story doesn't make sense is because conveniently the only things your friends only care about things that fit your narrative. This is bunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:35 PM
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I moved from bumfuck nowhere to New York last year, and I think it's kind of a mixed bag. There's a higher concentration of women here that are too attractive for me to even dream of approaching. But the women here are also more promiscuous, so it's definitely more worth it to take a shot, especially with girls that are ... less than gorgeous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:17 PM
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Hasn't been my experience. In my experience it can be hell to try and find a woman that will actually fuck me, but once I do it's pretty easy street, they'll put up with minimal effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:49 PM
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I promise you he does it all the time and she's fine with it's low-key.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:45 PM
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I was a teenage boy, most of my friends were teenage boys. There's no boy I know that "didn't care". Question for you, why don't they care? Is sex not important to them? None of their parents cared either? Cause when I was a teenager some parents cared how their children's romantic lives were going. Didn't they feel bad when they couldn't get dates to dances and shit? Didn't they get crushes on girls, didn't they care when their crushes didn't give them the time of day? Did the other kids not te…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:25 PM
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I knew teen boys who didn't have a girlfriend and young adult virgin men in college. They didn't care How do you know they didn't care? Because they went to class and didn't mope all day? You're not a mind reader, this statement is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:56 PM
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The point is that unlike height, weight is a controllable outcome. Why is that the point? Like it really doesn't matter whether it's controllable or not, if the women aren't thin you can't get a thin woman. It just is, what it is. Most people around the world control it This isn't even true. America catches most of the heat, but most countries in the Western hemisphere have the same problem, the majority of people on this side of the world are overweight, not just in America
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:38 AM
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I'm with you. The physical safety one especially doesn't make any sense, because women like larger men who are obviously more dangerous. Women's sexual selectivity really just comes down to not finding most men very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 09:02 PM
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The fat men also want thin women, so yeah some of them are dating fat men. Some of them are dating fat rich men, some of them are dating fat doctors and lawyers, some are dating tall fat men they just happen to like. Some are dating thin men exclusively, while the thin man is dating 2 other thin women. Let's say, none of them were dating fat men, how are you going to find them? They're so uncommon you'll meet one, once in a while sure, but it's going to be a challenge. So I still think it's unre…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:45 PM
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I just meant statistically, it wasn't a value judgment. I will say though, I like thin women too, but it's because they look good not their health. Most of the thin women I've known well enough to be given details of their personal life have had problems with their menstrual cycle (they tended towards underweight, seems weights are tending to extremes), I still thought they were more attractive than overweight women I knew who had no real health concerns to speak of. So for me personally, weight…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:40 PM
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When I say "reasonable" I'm talking about the odds. Realistically most men can't reasonably expect to find a woman that's not overweight, because they're vanishingly rare. I wasn't talking about the effort it takes to not be overweight, the point is moot on that because regardless of what it takes it's not happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:15 PM
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I wouldnt agree there, just because you're skinny doesnt mean you're that good of a product. It was a simplification, yeah I agree. In broad strokes I just meant skinny is a hot commodity and thus not something everyone can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:53 PM
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still its mostly semantics on is losing weight reasonable. I wasn't arguing whether or not it was realistic to lose weight. I was arguing that it wasn't realistic to hope find a partner that isn't overweight. It's also not realistic to expect a partner to lose weight, because the stats say that even if they lose any significant amount of weight 80% will regain it. Can't argue for what's subjectively "easy", the numbers tell me it ain't happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:39 PM
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But it does exist, and the barrier to it is just lack of will. Doesn't matter what the barrier is. There aren't enough women who meet this criteria to go around. If you hold a standard and when you go into the market, it's exceedingly rare, it doesn't make sense to think that one day you'll find someone who meets the standard. You probably won't. If you want a woman that's not overweight, you'll probably have to be a pretty outstanding guy, which probably means 6-foot/6-figure if we're being rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:32 PM
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It is a realistic expectation. It can't be reasonable if it functionally doesn't exist. It doesn't make sense to expect it when realistically you're not going to get it. If your standard for a partner is "not overweight" then odds are you'll never have a partner. You can ask for what you want, I wont hate on that, but if you need a 32%+ of men to get leg lengthening surgeries to qualify, This is what I meant you can want, what you want, but obesity rates as they are right now a woman that's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:20 PM
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I've said it a few times, but as reasonable as "not fat" sounds it's not really a realistic expectation. Fortunately most men don't really mean "not fat", they really mean "below class 2 obesity", but if you really held "not overweight" as a standard, then it would be hypocritical to call women unreasonable for wanting 6 figures and 6 feet tall, those 2 traits are actually just as common as healthy bmis
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:51 PM
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I don't agree, I think that's exactly what it means when it's used. I agree it doesn't literally mean they sleep with a lot of people. But the implication is that being promiscuous is a negative trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:31 PM
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When it’s used in that context the purpose is to just insult the other Insults aren't chosen at random though. Trying to insult a man by calling him a whore doesn't really work the same. Whore is chosen because women are sensitive to this judgement. If you didn't believe being promiscuous was bad you wouldn't chose this insult. they’re rarely actually saying “you sleep with a lot of people and that’s a bad thing” They're saying you're behaving as a promiscuous woman would, and that is a bad thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:22 PM
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I don't know about you, but anytime I've heard 2 women in an argument, or heard a woman talk about another woman they've had a falling out with, the word "whore" comes out lightning quick. You say you don't have incentive to care about anyone's sex life, but that's only true so far as you have any incentive to care about anyone's life at all. You obviously don't judge the abstract concept of some abstract stranger's promiscuity. Women judge the sex life of other women in their circle all the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:07 PM
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Life is suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 04:58 PM
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Do they just eat shit? Yes. That's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 04:54 PM
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What I'll argue with is that men who think that sort of stuff are dangerous and should be avoided by women. Which sort of stuff are you talking about? Men who become frustrated when they're unable to get attention from women? I've yet to meet a man who struggles with women who doesn't at some point become at least a little incely/redpilly. Some of them drop it once some woman gives them attention, others don't. Either way these men aren't any more dangerous, just less sexually successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 03:25 PM
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The problem with any argument of this type is that you've put yourself in the position of deciding what is and isn't ok to discuss Doesn't really matter what the men gather to discuss, as long.as you are the one deciding it's ok or not, then you can always just declare it reprehensible and thus worthy of disbandment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 03:14 PM
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Since this is a CMV and I've yet to see a soul disagree. Tate has access to money and women. What he's selling to young men is that if they get like him then they can have women and money too. At the end of the day women and money are what young men want so they'll more readily gravitate towards Tate. Tate may be a charlatan, but if not for the fact that they succeeded in their crafts nobody would think anything admirable about the traits you're bringing attention to in Gordon and Keanu. I promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:25 PM
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An example may have been helpful though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 08:04 PM
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Well as he said in the OP, they don't understand. It's going to be hard for them to understand what he means when the OP is that they don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 05:23 PM
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I think a lot of women say that it's icky to date their friends and if they're really friends, they don't really see them that way. Sure, but I don't really understand why. My friends are people I like so for me it makes sense that you'd be interested in dating your opposite sex friends. This also doesn't mesh well with other complaints that women have specifically about men not really getting to know them and behaving in a very goal oriented way. If being your friend is a turn off then the men …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 05:14 PM
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If you really like a woman, presenting yourself as a "friend" will not be very wise. The disconnect here is that men would date their friends. Won't speak for all men, but for me being actual friends with a woman makes her more appealing rather than less.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 03:00 PM
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No. The argument is that they don't agree with your definition of "need" and you know that. Every time you bring it up it just becomes a discussion on how to define need. If you define need as literally something you'll die without out, then there's nothing to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:59 PM
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10 years of fun, followed by 40-60 years of loneliness That 40 - 60 years is lonely for most people. Ugly people just don't get the 10 years of fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:49 PM
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although curiously, there seem to be much less incels outside and at social events. You would have no way of knowing this. Nobody walks around advertising their inceldom, all you'd see is a dude. they would know that it is painfully easy to make friends with, or simply converse with and date, women. It literally isn't though, people make millions claiming to teach men how to approach women. What's the bar for "easy" here. The reason it is so easy in fact is that the instant a woman notices that …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:37 AM
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Serious question. Why wouldn't they be jealous? Whether they would abuse women or not, doesn't it make sense that men who like sex with women would be jealous of men who get to have more sex with higher quality women than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:52 AM
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Lol, that video is getting funded if nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:24 AM
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I spilled hot oil on my foot once. Don't think I've ever experienced worse pain. The scar is still on my foot, but it's faded to the point that it's hardly noticeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:02 PM
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If the guy is obviously outrageously attractive like Zac Efron or Ryan Gosling then sure I can tell, but as for the average guys that women say they find attractive it seems random to me. Whether they think a guy is hot or not (unless they're obviously a 6-foot, chiseled Adonis) seems to have more of a correlation with how the guy is viewed by their peers than how they actually look.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:36 PM
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Why would it be a problem? Cause beyond a certain age some chicks are going to be turned off by a guy being a virgin. If you're pushing 30, it's in your best interest that she doesn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:30 PM
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Lie for the same reason you don't bring it up, because it might be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:26 PM
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Why even bring it up? Right, I'm agreeing with you, I'm just taking it further. If it comes up you should lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:19 PM
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It’s not a big deal. It's not a big deal as long as she doesn't know. If she knew it may well be a problem. So if she asks why not just lie. You're already avoiding the potential problem by not bringing it up, if it comes up just lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:14 PM
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Straight up, don’t talk about your lack of experience but then don’t lie about it if you are asked. Just lie by omission. Come on my guy, if you know that this information may affect your potential partners decision to sleep with you and thus you're going to withhold it, you may as well lie. You aren't being honest by not bringing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:06 PM
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She's hot so it doesn't matter. Hot people don't face consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:27 PM
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Because its part of what she wants in a guy Sure, my point is that it's the part that sounds the least vapid and shallow out loud. Everyone wants someone "nice" it's very much a non-answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:23 PM
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No. I interpret as “What do you like in a guy” No matter how you answer this question you're not going to provide an exhaustive list. The things that are selected are selected for a reason. If I ask you what you like in a guy "tall, muscular and handsome" is a perfectly valid answer. "Nice" is also a valid answer, but why is "nice" the item that is chosen for this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:16 PM
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It's definitely evidence, it's not proof, but it's evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:10 PM
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Social media, young women are very impressionable. They hear on the tik toks that tall men are hot, so now they have to get the tallest man, cause that's what the influencers say is the vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:04 PM
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Sure, if that's true you're right. But, you don't know that's true, that's just a theory you're throwing out, the same as any other theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:59 PM
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One example is guys in the manosphere saying "Women lie about what arouses them. They say they found niceness to be sexy!" but when showing proof, the women were asked "What do you like in a guy" which is not the same thing. The answer is a lie. They know what is being asked, the answer is chosen because the truth is going to come off as vapid and shallow. This kind of lawyering is ridiculous. "Um... technically they aren't the same thing". Why would you interpret the question as "what traits do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:52 PM
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Is it impossible to be a gang member, who doesn't murder and doesn't steal? Yes, yes it is. Can't just pick a study about "gang members getting more poon" and conclude "all women like criminals". No, but you can say gang members get more poon. You can theorize about reasons why this might be the case, but in the absence of other evidence "women love criminals" is as good a theory as any other theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:46 PM
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Because men like women. No matter what characteristic you pick, men are more open to it than women are. Women have vagina and that's good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 01:01 PM
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Weddings have been around a lot longer. Because marriage used to serve a purpose. It doesn't anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:33 PM
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Relationships are difficult to end, no matter what. Easier if you don't need a lawyer. In the meantime, relationships can provide support, resources, and companionship. All of which they can provide without marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:31 PM
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That I did. It was delicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:27 PM
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Yes, but that's stupid. You can throw a party whenever you want. You can even buy a wedding dress for the social media posts (which are the true purposes of weddings)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:26 PM
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I'm on the truth. Unless you're still in school odds aren't good you're going to find a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:22 PM
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The real men took their virginity, there aren't any to pursue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:17 PM
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I encourage marriage. But, why? All you've done is made it unnecessarily difficult to end the relationship if you want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:15 PM
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Liking something and expecting it are two different things. I'd like to win the lottery, but I don't expect to win, to expect it would be delusional. At the age of 20, the odds of finding a virgin are slim, above 20 it's nearly none. People don't wait for marriage for sex anymore, if indeed they ever did. Even if people waited till marriage, people would just get married earlier, and late bloomers would just have to scrape the bottom of the barrel by 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:08 PM
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what use is the marriage outside of tax benefits? I agree. Marriage is pointless. So why go through the ceremony to declare an intent to have an eternal commitment when it's not a real commitment. Just don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 05:59 PM
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Lol. In <<<current year>>> why would you expect any adult woman to be a virgin? The majority of them had sex as teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 05:56 PM
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Hooray for the No Fault divorce. Or just don't get married. Like there's really no point in all this ceremony and vowing and legalese if it's not binding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 05:46 PM
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Have you ever heard a males friends try to hook their friend up with a girl and say “yea she’s a little ugly but she’s nice and will treat you good”. No? They don't say anything at all. As long as she's female that is considered enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 02:06 PM
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"All the power", no. More power though obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:17 PM
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Yeah, but in that dynamic obviously he's the one with all the power, you've given it all to him. That's going to be the case no matter what direction the genders are in. If you're willing to wait for one person as long as it takes them obviously they have full control.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:12 PM
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I made it clear to my boyfriend that I wanted to date him for years before he decided he wanted a relationship Lol, why would you wait years? You could just have found somebody else. For example, women are often conditioned to find it hard to say “no” even to bad sex. They say "no" to me all the time, I must be special.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:02 PM
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That's not a market though. A market requires a limited resource. We can all get good grades. We can't all date the best woman. Just because you earn something doesn't make it a market.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:41 PM
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If she's going to end up on welfare she can get an abortion. If all that matters is equality and you don't care how equality is achieved isn't abandonment of the child by the father equally valid?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 08:40 PM
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So if a state decides to allow a financial abortion, you don't really care either?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:49 PM
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That's great. That has absolutely nothing to do with your claim though. You asserted that every single man can find at least one woman and if he can't then his personality is the problem. You have literally no way of knowing that, so why do you believe it ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:03 AM
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Not the point. Such a man, may well not be able to find even one woman and that's not the only situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 11:52 PM
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There are lots of reasons why a man at a particular point in his life may not be able to find even one woman who would have him. For example let's say he's crippled and wheelchair bound. Odds are not good he'll find somebody, no matter what his personality is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 11:45 PM
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Yes, but you have no way of knowing that. That's just how you feel. There's no evidence that can convince you, because the only evidence that can be presented is anecdote and you've already decided you don't believe the anecdotes, so what exactly is there to be said?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 11:38 PM
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Your belief is based on nothing though, so how is this belief to be challenged? I don't think women struggle with dating at all and are all just mad they can't get 10/10 Chad and I won't believe you if you tell me otherwise CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 11:29 PM
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Women I've had crushes on that were either severely over weight or objectively kinda busted looking. Probably 4 or 5 that I can remember, probably more actually. In high school I would develop crushes on any girl that would talk to me, so mostly from there. I rarely get crushes anymore, but as an adult there are 3 women I can think of that are probably around average that I was nonetheless very attracted to. I've definitely been into more average women than super attractive women though, I rarel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 07:32 PM
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A lot of blue pillers are incels in denial for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 07:03 PM
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What came first the chicken or the egg? Do men have more sex when they're less "uptight" about sex or are they less uptight about sex because they have sex. Like it makes sense to me that if you already have access to a lot of sex, then sex wouldn't be a big deal to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 02:09 PM
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90% of the compliments are from men they don't hold in high enough regard to appreciate the compliment from. But that sounds mean so they say it's insincere instead. I notice women have a mind reading power that only works on men they aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 09:35 PM
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And what's the point of opening up in the first place when your partner can just decide that you didn't do it the right way to the point where you opening up has to become this carefully constructed performance to please your partner? This gets my goat too. Like is this a relationship where I can be vulnerable or not. If I have to put on a filter anyway then what's the point. Having to use a different filter because my partner wants me to open up more is just annoying and is more for their benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 09:20 PM
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Yeah I can't imagine a man ever saying that his significant other is giving him too much "emotional labor" and not be seen as an asshole for saying that. A lot of women just don't like to deal with men's negative emotions, but that sounds cruel so they have to find a way to make it men's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 03:12 PM
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I don't know what she's on, it's pretty common in my experience too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 02:08 AM
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Could be anything I guess. Could be something going on in her personal life. Doesn't make sense to speculate on that, you don't have a way of knowing unless you talk to her and you can't talk to ghosts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 01:14 AM
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how many men do you think are between 5’9 and 5’10? Seems to be, very roughly, around 10%. i’m not the best at stats, but it doesn’t make sense to me for most (>50%) men to be <5’9 if the median is 5’9 and the average is 5’9.2. You're correct, it can't be, it has to be fewer than 50% below 5'9.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 01:12 AM
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This interaction was special to you, it wasn't special to her. This isn't unique to women actually, people with a lot of friends don't miss the absence of one friend as much as a person with few friends does. For you spending a lot of time bonding with a woman is relatively rare. She however hangs out with men all the time, it's not likely to mean as much to her. So to you it feels like some kind of special connection, to her you're just another guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 12:44 AM
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5'9 is the median. Very roughly about 45% of men are 5'8 and below, around 17% being 5'9 ish and the remaining 38% being taller than 5'9. Depending on how you want to split hairs, he might be technically right, since there are some people between 5'8 and 5'9. But that's a bit too anal for me, it's about 50% shorter than 5'9. You can take a look here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 12:21 AM
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That's not really what happens in movies, I should have been clearer. The hero doesn't just do some great deed, he does some great deed specifically for the object of his affection. He's fighting the dragon specifically to save the princess. In real life nobody is going to love you just because you love them. Just because you're willing to twist yourself in half for somebody doesn't mean they'll care. At best they may feel guilty at worst they'll just use you. In movies this is how it works thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:16 PM
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Big romantic gestures aren't usually rewarded the way they are in movies. I think that's probably what OP means. In real life the princess is probably not gonna be all that impressed when you kill a dragon.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:05 PM
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"Won't you please be sympathetic for how disgusting and contemptible I find you 🥺" You'd think this would be obvious to the sex that's supposedly more emotionally intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 08:52 PM
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Not sure how just being in school works as a market. There's nothing I can think of that you can point to as being a buyer and a seller.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 02:21 PM
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At the college level, definitely. You have a pool of colleges.You have a pool of students. Students are valued differently based on their SAT performance/extra curriculars, etc. Bigger named schools can demand higher performance from current and prospective students as well as higher tuition fees. Better performing students can demand bigger named schools. It is very much a market.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 12:21 PM
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A woman doesn't have to be high value to do that. No matter what definition of high value you use.
/r/AllPillDebate27/05/23 07:12 AM
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I can't imagine actively making my life what worse just to say I'm in a relationship I said, better not worse. Something is better than nothing. Also they aren't engaging in the relationship to say they have one, they're engaging in the relationship primarily for sex, because that's what it takes to get sex, because women are pickier than men and thus have more leverage to make demands of a partner. If someone genuinely believes that a bad relationship is better than no relationship then they ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 05:20 AM
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Because people aren't commodities and don't behave like them. People do behave like commodities and can be modeled as such. The job market behaves in very much the same way. And plenty of times two people just want to kiss or fuck out of visceral desire, without weighing any transactions whatsoever. They don't have to consciously think about the market for the market to have an effect. Two people don't just pair off at random. Gal Gadot isn't ever going to just decide to fuck me, she's going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 05:16 AM
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Nah. My money is on a push to legalize polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 12:20 AM
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I don't know why people dislike the market analogy so much. Like it's just true, I don't know how you'd even begin to argue that it's not. Ultimately you need to cultivate relationships, yes. But, you need to cultivate relationships with women you can actually get. And who you can get us going to depend on who's available, who you have access to and what value you bring. Is it just that it sounds cold?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 12:14 AM
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You're not getting it. It's dating anybody, because the alternative is dating nobody. And something is better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:53 PM
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I don't know if I've ever heard anyone openly phrase it as "improve to find a partner" honestly, and I'm not sure that is really the way people are comfortable talking about self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:29 PM
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It does work like that, yes. Relevant article And, yes, men under performing is terrible for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:21 PM
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Escorts are like $200 an hour on the low end. The adult dependent definitely costs less unless I'm going only once a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 08:58 PM
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Why not just find a woman that likes you? No guarantee I can. Sometimes you can't find anyone that wants you. I'm sure for some men this lasts a long time. Couldn’t you use sex workers if it’s legal in your area since you don’t need the affection? If it's legal it's expensive, probably too expensive to be more than a once a month thing, though beggars can't be choosers in this regard I suppose. And what’s to say your government handout wife will even have sex with you? Lol, if we're all the way …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 08:50 PM
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I don’t think it’s a lot of them, I think it’s some of them. Hard to say, but if we use the probability of divorce for first time couples as a metric, which I think is a fair proxy, then it's about 40% which aren't exactly stellar odds. Imagine going into a relationship like that, with a full understanding and expectation that it won’t get any better than being perceived as a chore. Sounds bad, but from the perspective of someone who is at the point of government assigned girlfriends or such is …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 08:10 PM
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While I largely agree with you, as a pessimist (and for the sake of argument) If she just had unenthusiastic duty sex, half-assed taking care of a home and just sort of did the bare minimum A lot of relationships just kinda end up like this anyway. If the end is the same then at least make getting there easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:46 PM
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That also works as an analogy, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:40 PM
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He's saying you're throwing arguments at random until something sticks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:37 PM
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I have to agree with you. Like obviously if you go to extremes you're going to turn people off, but once my date shows interest in me it goes well, if she doesn't show a lot of interest it doesn't go well and that's pretty much all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 05:42 PM
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No they wouldnt because their idea of the average woman is an IG thirst trap Stacy for a reason. This idea exists completely in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 02:58 PM
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Because why should people care about whiny pieces of shit? You're missing the point. You said you don't care because you know they wouldn't care about any woman's issue. They say they wouldn't care about any woman's issue because they know women don't care about them. If this demonstrates a lack of empathy, then you also lack empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:42 PM
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People who aren’t picky dont make fun of people based on very superficial reasons and keep insisting that theyre low value. They're lashing out because they're frustrated. The old, fat sluts don't want them anymore than the young, fit virgins. First time somebody touches their dick they'll shut up. I'm also pretty sure many of them are going to date the first woman who that says yes with no other qualifier considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:37 PM
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What struggle? It's as natural to them as breathing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:49 PM
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There's lots of untrue things that "everybody" knows. This is one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:19 PM
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How does it debunk that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:34 PM
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No, probably not, though I'm already kinda tall, I might feel differently if I was short.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:26 PM
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He's tall, wealthy and muscular. Probably fucks way more than I do. So in that sense I think I'd want to be like Myron. I'm not sure what you mean by "like him" though, like to model my life after him in every way? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:21 PM
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People who demand empathy/sympathy are the least likely to give it to others. That’s something I did remember about why I roll my eyes at the MRA types, because dont expect them to feel bad for any woman’s plight. This is literally the same shit they say, you don't care about me, so I don't care about you. Which is a fair position to hold in my opinion, but it's kinda hypocritical for you to complain about an attitude you share. Also, “nice guys” who whine about not being hot enough for the girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:18 PM
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The only truth we can establish from the discourse here is that when it comes to dating men have it worse off. Bold of you to assume you'll get agreement on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:12 AM
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It's statistically true though. Most romantic relationships end. I think it's at least good to remember not to become too invested.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:02 AM
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Except you're the one asserting that making close friends is a natural ability, which is a completely vibes based statement. I could just as easily assert an ability to read and write French is natural and the inability to do so is a disability, doesn't really matter if the evidence tells me that it's not actually behavior that is to be expected, my vibes tell me that it's normal to be able to speak French.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:44 PM
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If over half the population has a disability, is it still a disability?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:16 PM
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Ok, but this is an analogy. How do men treat women like that in a way that women don't also treat men. I've seen women on here compare men to garbage, half eaten hotdogs and all other kinds of dehumanizing things. I have a hard time seeing how men can be any worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:20 PM
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What does disregarding your personhood mean here, cause I'm not sure I agree there's a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:04 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:02 PM
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Yeah, but most people are treated that way though. No woman talks to me unless they want something from me either. That is how humans treat each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:00 PM
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It's more exciting to sleep with someone new, than someone you've already slept with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:56 PM
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Because new pussy is more fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:44 PM
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How is divorce a problem? What is the point of marriage? My theory is that y'all want people to stay in unbalanced partnerships. It's not my fault women are incapable of commitment. Don't take vows you know you can't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:50 PM
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Divorces are more likely in female/female relationships than in male/female relationships or male/male relationships. Thus if the prevalence of divorce is seen as a problem, then it appears that women are a greater contributor to the problem than men are. My theory is that women are just harder to please than men are and thus are more likely to end relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:43 PM
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And yet there's loads of women who like video games. Hell, I'm one. And yet "work on your COD skills" was not listed as a potential form of self improvement. This kind of self improvement isn't going to help attract a mate and so nobody cares about it, but learning to be better at COD is very much a form of self improvement. Some people like to do things that attract mates, that's true enough, so if you do then fair enough, you can do them for yourself. But some people, don't really like to go t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:30 PM
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It's from Elden Ring, it's a video game.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:02 PM
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Men who do things purely to get laid are boring. I like playing video games, I don't do that to get laid. But, video games aren't really the kind of pass time that women value, so I better start liking something else. You're still ultimately saying have a life, because women like men with a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:54 PM
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They're far less common because women are disingenuous. Women are going to say be nice and funny
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:46 PM
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and thinks he wont fuck other chicks. I think women who date this kind of man know he's going to fuck other chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:33 PM
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I agree. The context around this is the question of whether or not sex is a need. Some would say sex isn't a need because you can survive without it, but as you pointed out this isn't really the way we think about needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:15 PM
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I don't know if this stops food from being a need, you take the risk or you die. If we define "need" as a requirement for survival, the food is definitely a need, but housing isn't necessarily a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:37 PM
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You're scavenging the dumpster for food, so food is a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:10 PM
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I can see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:34 PM
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Are these girls just matching with a hotter guy and ignoring my messages after a day even if the convo is going well? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:25 PM
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Nobody's entitled to anything. You're either attractive or you're not. You can get a 20-something virgin or he can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:23 PM
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If men didn't form relationships with women that say they hate men there wouldn't be very many relationships. Misandry is super common in addition to being socially acceptable, there's not much way to avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:24 PM
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It's also super accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 10:24 PM
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The white replacement strategy is working as intended, get gud whiteoids
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:50 PM
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Nobody would even notice if you were 4lbs overweight blood. I don't know what country you're in, but most people in the western world are far more overweight than that. Like literally the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 01:32 PM
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Men are attracted to everything, the point is moot. Men would still have been attracted to you if you were overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 01:30 PM
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Must be the people you're around. Men on here dead ass look at obese women and say "they're not even fat"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 01:26 PM
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I met someone who was the only man I've wanted in years and years That's really weird, there are 4 billion men on the planet. And again, men like women in general. You're not going to find a man who's never fancied a woman who doesn't look like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:35 AM
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Sure, but they also like everything. That side of it is true for everyone, practically nobody is dating their literal first choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:14 AM
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Would you say it's okay for me to feel romantically repulsed by men who are actively attracted to ugly women or men that crush on girls too different to me? Men like pretty much all varieties of women, so I don't know how you get around this. I guess by just not knowing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:01 AM
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Apparently when they say fat they mean morbidly obese. This chick is cute so she won't have any problems dating. She's fat as hell though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:06 PM
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It's just a bad picture. It's something about makeup and lights that I'm too male and dumb to understand, I'm sure she usually looks fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:01 PM
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There's rarely a thought that is completely original. The standard that everything in the RP has to originate from RP is an impossible one. No philosophy could meet this standard. Also even if the RP is full of only well understood and obvious things, it still makes sense for me to listen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:17 PM
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Looks are effectively more important than money for most people. If you're as rich and famous as JayZ however, then sure, you can probably get whoever you want. I'm never gonna be as rich as JayZ though, so that doesn't matter to me, I just need enough money to maximize my looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 10:07 PM
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Beyonce is also not going to marry someone without money so her effective dating pool is smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 09:53 PM
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Chicken and egg problem. Men take it this way because they pretty much never receive compliments otherwise. It's not common for a woman to give compliments, so it's easy to see why they'd assume the compliment is a sign of interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:15 PM
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Religion. They believe it has a soul and whatever, it doesn't matter if you tell them the fetus has an undeveloped brain or whatever, that isn't what they care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 05:32 PM
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Women do catcall. Just depends on the type of woman you're dealing with. If you walk around your town the majority of men aren't going to catcall you either. As with most of these things it just comes down to most men not being seen as very attractive, so they are more likely to be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 01:21 PM
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I'm assuming the insult "cow" is based on the woman's weight. I can confirm fat men sometimes get jeered by strangers as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 01:00 PM
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this indirect lack of experience is a form of social respect. The homeless men don't want to have sex with him. Isn't it more a lack of desire than a show of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:46 PM
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Getting a compliment from a random man you’re not attracted to is like getting a single raw grain of rice. Last time I said that women think like this it got flagged as incel content. Anyway I'm gonna agree with OP you only feel this way because you get attention all the time. The novelty has worn off, if you never received compliments then you'd remember every single one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:02 PM
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Sure, but I don't get why the initial stipulation of "be yourself" is included at all. The worse off you are the more you need to change, so at what point do you stop being yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:24 PM
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Listen be yourself but realize some traits of yourself aren't that attractive to the opposite sex This is invokes the Ship of Theseus though. What exactly about you makes you "yourself". If you're going to say "be yourself" and also "change some things about yourself" what was the point of saying "be yourself" in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:12 PM
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I think it's more that the type of people who would be on this sun would have heard this defense before, rather than society at large being more aware. Hence why people don't interpret it that way, as you said. However I suppose it's a small difference in the grand scheme of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 10:23 PM
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It's not poorly phrased, that's not what it means at all. No person who is familiar with the nuances of English is going to translate it that way. The only reason you even think of it as meaning "be the best version of yourself" is because you've had discussion around it before. It's like the meaning of the phrase has been retconned.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 09:51 PM
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“be the best version of yourself” Is not the phrase. The phrase is "just be yourself", the word "just" implying simplicity. If the saying was "be the best version of yourself" I'd agree with you, but it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 09:38 PM
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too bad most people who hear it don’t see it that way Because that's not what it means. Idk how we got to the point that we're retconning the meaning behind platitudes. Even "be the best version of yourself" requires elaboration, so why on earth would the word "just" be included in the phrase. This new interpretation of the phrase is just an attempt to justify extremely common yet obviously useless advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:52 PM
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You do realise that women enjoy sex as well ? Doesn't compute. The manipulation is only necessary because guys generally can't straight up ask for sex and actually get it. It is definitely kind of a gotcha if he's able to have sex before you can see through whatever deception, as evidenced by the fact that he needed deception in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:31 AM
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I have a bi friend in his late 20s that has never successfully courted a woman, but is currently seeing 3 men casually. Women are just more difficult and frustrating to date. Women are pickier, more easily offended, more demanding and they're afraid of men. The mutual understanding that gay guys have for each other isn’t much different than heterosexual guys that have buddies.. Exactly. If me and my friends were gay I could just straight up ask one of them for sex. If they were down we'd have se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:49 AM
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You've seen dozens of women have sex with men they think are ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 06:06 PM
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Depends on what shot at what. At finding someone, I agree. I think almost anyone can work on themselves enough to find a partner. Depending on how hot they're hoping for however, I think it's best not to raise your hopes too high. People win the lottery too, I'd still feel perfectly justified in telling someone they aren't going to win the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:50 PM
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Oh that's what you mean. Yeah, cause of envy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:40 PM
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May I have an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:36 PM
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I don't know any single women who haven't rejected an approach in the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 02:17 PM
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"oh, I know of this one guy" Everyone knows this guy, yet this guy never speaks for themself. I'm convinced what happens is that they see some guy with a woman one time and convince themselves he's Casanova. If the alleged guy wasn't ugly they'd probably never notice he was seeing anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 02:16 PM
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They also describe every woman as gorgeous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 02:07 PM
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She is. Just being not fat makes her more attractive than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:46 PM
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My mom thought I was gay growing up too, kept asking me if I was gay. My mom's homophobic though, so she took to pointing out every girl she saw and launching inquiries into any girl she saw me with or heard me mention. Like I never did outright tell her "I'm not gay mom, just a loser", maybe I should have.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 08:14 PM
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https://youtube.com/shorts/GIqvp6758DM?feature=share Pearl really just parrots manosphere talking points. It's hard to believe she actually holds any of her positions cause she always pulls out a manosphere talking point verbatim without anything unique on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 07:41 PM
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They'd have to win first, men don't have patience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 04:52 PM
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If there was actually a war between genders men would lose without a doubt. Half of them would turn coat the moment a woman offered to let them squeeze her left boob.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 04:47 PM
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This song was from a time where this mindset was acceptable. In the 2000s the story of the nerdy boy winning the pretty girl from the more conventionally attractive, yet dumb as rocks jock was the plot of practically every teen movie. Gender swapped versions of this weren't uncommon either. This era is where the "looks don't matter" talk comes from, people growing up around that time used to speak like this matched reality. It's not Taylor's gender that makes the perception different, popular pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 04:40 PM
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At the end of the day, the ones who complain the most are the ones who had the least experience. Big brain take. Why would a man who's getting the sex he wants complain about not getting the sex he wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 04:18 PM
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A lot of guys think that because it's obviously true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:22 PM
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The reasoning behind it is that bar soap strips oils from your skin which makes your skill appear less lustrous and more susceptible to damage. I don't know whether or not facial cleansers actually negate this effect but they claim to. I understand if you're skeptical marketers do lie, so they might be lying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 07:11 PM
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She's well within her rights to leave for any reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 07:00 PM
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If we are friends and we find each other attractive then we'd be dating, there's no reason we wouldn't. Platonic friendships can exist between men and women all the same though. Somebody probably has to suppress their emotions a little, but we have to do that with lots of things in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 09:01 PM
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The real problem with that advice is that it doesn't mean anything. There is no universal way people are treated. How a person is treated depends on what our relationship is. I think they're saying to treat them the way you would treat a man. But they're women so they aren't going to respond like a man, so I can't interact with them like a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 08:53 PM
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He also punishes people at random. Followers are called to help the poor. So God just decided to create poor people they can help.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 06:56 PM
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Morals don't depend on the existence of a god. Actions can cause harm to others in the world you live in, they also have consequences while you're alive. A stalker can be punished in this life without the need for a god. Additionally if the only reason you don't harm others is because God is watching, then I have to assume you're a psychopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 06:49 PM
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That's no mystery. She's rich and beautiful. No man she'd be willing to date is going to wait until marriage. She could find someone but she'd have to lower her standards to well below what her station would suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 06:39 PM
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If women were as horny as men everyone would be fucking everyone and relationships would be uncomplicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 03:18 PM
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Also to illustrate the issue I'm seeing roughly 45% of women being overweight in Brazil. Which is probably higher than you envisioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 08:44 PM
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That may work for you personally. But there are common complaints here about men struggling to get female attention at all. Unfortunately based on just the numbers "not fat" is a relatively high standard, bordering on unrealistic. There just aren't enough "not fat" women to go around. Also the obesity problem is spreading. America catches the most heat, but it isn't even the world's most obese country anymore. Most of the Western world is nearly as obese as America
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 08:37 PM
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For example, a 5 is a woman who's not fat (which would be negative) but also not fit and toned (which would be positive), and her face is not ugly (which would be negative) but also not beautiful (which would be positive). You can't use this to be synonymous with average though. If you're market and 70% of women in the US are overweight, then what you're saying is 85% of women are below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:39 PM
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For example, a 5 is a woman who's not fat (which would be negative) but also not fit and toned (which would be positive), and her face is not ugly (which would be negative) but also not beautiful (which would be positive). You can't use this to be synonymous with average though. If you're market and 70% of women in the US are overweight, then what you're saying is 85% of women are below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:39 PM
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For example, a 5 is a woman who's not fat (which would be negative) but also not fit and toned (which would be positive), and her face is not ugly (which would be negative) but also not beautiful (which would be positive). You can't use this to be synonymous with average though. If you're market and 70% of women in the US are overweight, then what you're saying is 85% of women are below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:38 PM
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She was fucking the only guy in school dorkier than her Lol, sure. Girls don't have any problem getting sex obviously, all they have to do is ask and someone will say yes. It doesn't work like that for boys, girls are more selective so there's a higher chance nobody will consent to having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 08:39 PM
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Our Valedictorian was secretly pregnant at graduation, Girls don't count. Of course every girl that wanted sex was having sex, not every boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:03 PM
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You were in Manhattan I bet. It feels like only attractive young people and older people date in Manhattan. Or at least they're the only ones walking around being obvious couples. The Walmart hypothesis holds up better in poorer places I've found.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:20 PM
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No, I don't think the threshold exists. Oh so you're actually trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:24 PM
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I really don't get the point of marriage if it's impermanent. Seems to be primarily just a status symbol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 02:10 PM
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So I'll admit to not having the world's best social skills, but I've had at least a little success with women. In my experience, if a woman doesn't like how I look, she's not going to be engaged enough in conversation for anything else to come across. Every woman who's ever been interested in me has shown interest from the very first sentence I've spoken to them. They took one look and the decision was made. The times where they didn't show interest immediately it becomes really hard to get them…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:58 AM
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And if you had enough money to either eat the whole week or to go to an expensive restaurant once a week, and you choose for the restaurant once a week, are you right for complaining that most days you have nothing to eat? I don't understand the analogy. The man takes a mediocre relationship or he doesn't have a relationship at all. That's eating vs. not eating. An expensive restaurant would be holding out for some exacting criteria which I would argue the person in your analogy can't afford. Ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 08:16 PM
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If you judge 2 things by different criteria how do you say they are equally challenging? How are you scaling the difficulty? If romantic success was judged for women the same way it is for men, then every woman would be considered successful. The fact that you place a higher standard on the success criteria for women shows that you know women's task is generally easier. If it's not easier then why don't you hold the same standard of success for men as you do women ?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 06:22 PM
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I did. The tasks are not equally difficult. You're just holding women to a higher standard. Your criteria for a woman's success is that she's with a desirable partner. Your criteria for a man's success is that he has just any partner. If I had the selective power of a woman and I happened to pick the wrong partner, I'd just pick again. It's that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 05:35 PM
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a small minority of women are married to desirable partners in a happy marriage, a small minority of men are desirable partners. Man bad, woman good. She's with an undesirable partner, but he has a woman. This is exactly what I was talking about, men aren't expected to have standards. Unless you are telling me that women are retards and inbreds and you have some unprecedented street smarts, you have to explain why they can’t accomplish their “easier” task at a higher rate then men. It's perspect…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 05:13 PM
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So this makes it not a issue of that they cannot afford it, just an issue of what they want. If you only had enough money to either pay rent or eat today you'd have to make a choice. Regardless of that choice I'd say it's still within your rights to complain. If a man would only want me for my body, for sex, he would be unattractive to me, regardless of his looks. Not trying to conflate things. A man can want you just for sex without being desperate. A man becomes desperate through time and fail…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:25 PM
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I wasn't blaming anyone. I was just describing life as it is. The poster before lamented men's behavior, I was highlighting that women's behavior was similar. Just that women tend to have more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:30 PM
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Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:24 PM
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But we can’t just equalize these things saying “we just have different struggles” or something. Women have it 10x worse You have no way of quantifying this. This is just a feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:22 PM
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They can afford it, but don't want to give up sex. If you think sex is so important that it is worth being in a bad relationship for, than it's your own choice/fault that you are in such a relationship. It's obviously the preference. Men would prefer to be in a mediocre relationship than go without sex this isn't an objectively bad thing. Also, being that desperate of wanting just some random girl makes a man very unattractive. It's expected. The man was already unattractive if he wasn't then he…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:21 PM
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You might prefer it, but do they? If they don't prefer it, why would you pursue disinterested people? I don't, that's literally what I said. I'd rather be dating women I already know I like to be around. But as those women are not mutually interested I date women that will say "yes". I'm willing to get to know strangers in a social venue where we already have shared interests You don't know you have shared interests. You know you're at the same venue. Either way it doesn't really matter if you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:17 PM
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Are you perhaps attempting to support the statement "Women have literally everything 10x worse" with a single example? Do you realize why that doesn't work or do women have it harder when it comes to critical thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:06 PM
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Why do you people like to pretend there's a rule book? Why are you trying to date your platonic friends? Probably because I like them. Like if you have a problem with dating friends then I don't understand your complaint. If you're dating strangers then you don't know anything about them, what's the difference between that and a cold approach? My friends are the people I like, why would I prefer to date someone I have less of a connection with?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 02:55 PM
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That's just reality though whether it's a cold approach or not. If I develop feelings for a particular woman in my social circle and the feeling isn't mutual then I just have to look for another woman. The women I like the most are my friends. I love spending time with them. However they aren't interested in me romantically so dating them isn't an option. I have to date women who say "yes" even if I don't enjoy their company as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 02:46 PM
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I'm sure many older men look back and delude themselves into thinking they could be more picky. Nostalgia makes you remember things better than they were. In the reality I live in currently, I have one or two women that I know would give me a shot. If it's not one of them then it's nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 02:32 PM
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We're all in the same boat. Women generally have more options. But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking any woman would be with me if she could be with literally anyone she wanted. If Drake wanted my girl she'd be Drake's girl, that's just life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 02:29 PM
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Yes, men are more threatening than women. They are bigger and stronger. My point is you came in here with all this energy about how women inarguably have it worse when it comes to assault. However at the first sign of resistance you had to refine your argument. The coin has 2 sides it's not as straightforward as "women have everything worse". The idea that women have everything worse is nonsense and it's literally been programmed into people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:47 PM
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Ahhh sounds like an argument. So it's arguable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:35 PM
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Disadvantages of being a man . Given this list where did you get the idea that women have it "10x worse in literally everything else"? Did you hear it somewhere? Did someone give you that impression as part of some part of some sort of campaign to spread this belief. Men don't make decisions, rich and powerful people make decisions. Most men are poor and powerless. Yet somehow they have been bundled into a group they don't belong to. I wonder how that happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:34 PM
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Which man? Find him for me and we'll have a conversation about it. There isn't a council of men that makes decisions. It's not a club. I don't know why y'all talk like men singularly made decisions on.how society is structured and women had no role to play in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:16 PM
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That's one thing not "literally everything else". It's not 10x worse It is arguable .
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:11 PM
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Men can't afford to be choosy. Men don't generally have the negotiating power to put very many restrictions on the type of partner they can get. The more attractive someone is the more picky they can be. However most men are just not considered very attractive and thus don't really get much choice. I feel like this is something we know intuitively and just don't say out loud because it sounds insulting to both men and the woman who date them. If I reject a woman, my male friends are shocked and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:00 PM
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Women have it 10x worse when it comes to everything else but men have literally ZERO sympathy for women. No they don't. You only think they do because of anti-male propaganda. Also men created these women-prey, men-predator, female promiscuity = evil concepts and they are responsible for sexual violence being extremely high. This collectivist thinking is so dumb. Men didn't create these things. These things are cultural. I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that men as a group are sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 12:34 PM
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That is even harder than a partner. Thought I was the only one that felt this way. I find it easier to find a romantic partner than new friends. All that's required to find a partner is that she wants to sleep with you. Making new friends is much harder, most people really don't seem all that open to it unless they're the super outgoing type.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 05:08 PM
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I haven't had a relationship in two and a half years and these have probably been some of the happiest I've had. I think the real problem with being single long term is that eventually most people in your social circle are going to form romantic relationships, when they do your friendship is going to somewhat be deprioritized. I feel like it would be pretty easy to stay single if that was a common thing to do, but since it's not common, remaining single does run the risk of becoming very sociall…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 05:03 PM
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But the guys here will say something like “CITY BOYS RISE UP” or “she should have submitted better” or “guys like that are alpha because that guy managed to have a second family and therefore had sex and ‘doesn’t matter had sex’” Lol, would they? I haven't noticed any of them saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 02:11 PM
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These women all look overweight to me. Most people are overweight so that's not really a big deal, but now I'm not sure what your idea of fat is. Like when you say "fat" what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:42 PM
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Is it? Why? It's an exchange of value for value either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 11:21 PM
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This perspective completely matches an employee/employer relationship. He's providing for her so she'll have his kid. He is effectively paying her to have his kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:00 PM
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Trick question, none of them. A is prettier than most, can't get a good look at her body, which matters to me, but since she's so pretty I'll assume she's meant to be above average. B and C however are both pretty rough looking, B's face is pretty unfortunate and C is more than the typical amount of overweight. I'd say both B and C are below average and A is above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:39 AM
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Alpha = Anyone who can get casual sex without effort. Where'd you get this definition from? And wouldn't it be more "low effort" than "no effort"? It takes "some effort" to get out of bed in the morning, obviously there's "some effort".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:18 AM
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Lol, if you can't identify the betas how come you can tell these guys aren't alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 04:50 AM
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Low, but never 0. She almost sounds like she wants to back out of it lol. A man in a similar situation would probably be quaking in excitement right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:12 AM
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Tyene fuxx. Lollys buxx.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:51 AM
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Ok. But do you think all/most women get this unwanted attention or just the ones that have worked on themselves. Think about it from the guys perspective. You'll never meet a guy that complains about getting too much female attention. When the person you were arguing with says it's easy for women to get attention he is also counting what you would classify as unwanted attention. He would probably like to get the same type of attention from women. So from his point of view what he's saying is tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:42 AM
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I've been asking all weekend for an example so I can spot it in real life. You're going to have to use your imagination a little bit. You're familiar with the concept of a gold digger surely. That would generally be an example of what they call beta. The whole concept of dating is the many choices. My partner is my first choice. Doesn't matter if he's the third or the seventh partner. He wasn't an option during previous choices. Contrary to popular belief, you are not the only couple that exists…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:32 AM
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But despite all those problems the reason I made the post was because in another comment a guy told me that women just get attention regardless of how they look (untrue) and said the fact that women internalise these messages and try to change themselves into women who will get attention is also untrue ( but it largely is…) Well there are also conflicting reports. You're saying this now, but I've seen enough women talk about male attention like it's the worst thing they can experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:25 AM
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Right, but there is more than one way things can happen right. Like I could understand if you said this kind of black and white thinking is toxic, but I don't get how you can say such an obviously real phenomenon is a myth. The way I see it, some men have an easier time attracting women than others. There is no way every man is their partner's first choice and vice versa, so what exactly are you saying isn't real?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:19 AM
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There's a mythological fear of "being chosen second," What makes this mythological? Some women get chosen second too. Unless you're telling me you believe everyone is with their first choice of partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:58 PM
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Well what do women find attractive? I actually think that the traits women find attractive take longer to develop than the traits men find attractive. but women will try to become more like the women those guys like earlier. Like when you say this, what do you mean? I assume you're talking like, clothes, hair, makeup etc. Weight loss if she's overweight as well. For boys I think muscles, some amount of status, some amount of money, also weight loss. These things just take longer. If you start wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:52 PM
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When I was in highschool my friends and I made a list of every girl in our year and systematically discussed their attractiveness. If I'm remembering correctly there was consensus that all except like 5 girls were good looking. Young guys think pretty much all girls are hot. More attractive girls are going to get more attention, but that's to be expected right? My friends and I were losers of course, so maybe we don't count, but I assure you I was rejected by girls right across the spectrum. On …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:41 PM
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Sure, but a rose by another name is just as sweet. Doesn't really matter what you call it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:28 PM
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Sure that's one explanation, but it still creates a dichotomy. Two classes of men. Obviously in real life it's not this clean of a split, but there are broadly men who do well with young women and men that do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:50 PM
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Women that are younger and/or more attractive definitely make different decisions when it comes to who they decide to date. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. We all have to adjust to match our circumstances. But, don't the decisions women make when they have the highest bargaining power demonstrate what they really value. Is it just a coincidence that when women are at their most attractive one set of men is more desirable, then as they age a different set of men become more desira…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:50 PM
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Yall mean the thing where men run around dating crazy hot broads as teenagers until their mid to late twenties and then suddenly want to settle down with a stable, beautiful, nurturing (hopefully virgin) good girl? I must have missed that phase. As a teenager I could barely get a girl to sneeze at me, much less date me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 02:34 PM
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If a woman and I work well as friends then the only reason I wouldn't want to date her is if she isn't physically attractive. However what I'm not sure of is : Do women think the same way? Do they view characteristics of friends different from characteristics of potential romantic partners? Are most men in the friend zone actually friends with the woman or are they just orbiters ?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 02:30 PM
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Everyone becomes a statistician as soon as stats disagree with their world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:22 PM
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There's a lot more than a dozen guys I've rejected. Great! So you see why sleeping around is viewed differently in men and women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:34 PM
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I'm sure there are at least a dozen guys, be they "husband material" or otherwise that would have liked to sleep with you but couldn't. This is why this behavior is viewed differently in men and women. Women are the selectors. If a man can sleep with a lot of women, he must be a man of quality. You're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that these men didn't meet your standards. The men that don't meet your standards just don't get to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:21 PM
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There is absolutely nothing I could imagine doing that would have any effect on a person who has this level of contempt for me. She doesn't care whether I live or die. Vengeance is impossible. Unless you're asking if I would commit a crime, which I wouldn't, but in this hypothetical it is the only thing I could do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:40 PM
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I find that women like to bring up the past. Unless they're keeping a secret they will usually volunteer enough information for you to get the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:22 PM
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Systemic disadvantages don't have the gender the same way they affect race. A historical advantage given to men doesn't advantage me as a man. My father was a man, if I were a woman my father would still be a man. If there are certain advantages granted to men in the past then I benefit from those advantages whether I'm a man or a woman as long as I have a father. This argument works for race, because if my black parents were disadvantages then I am also going to be disadvantaged. But it doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:22 PM
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So nothing in the world is completely black and white, but there is some truth to this. I do think more men than would openly admit it are in relationships due to lack of options rather than any real desire to be in one. I know this is true because in environments where women outnumber men you have more casual sex. So when men are the commodity that's more in demand they opt not to form relationships. This tells me that women are the ones that want relationships and men largely because that's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:32 PM
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I guess, but there's a lot of variables involved in "working out", but I guess it's one hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:00 AM
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Untrained 30 year old men are typically far stronger than untrained 20 year old men. Is this true? Or are trained 30 year old men stronger than trained 20 year old men. Cause yeah, building strength does work like that. If you spend an extra 10 years training you may keep getting stronger. But animals in the wild don't really train. The older champions have been training for longer and have been in more fights. I don't know if you can say definitively that this is analogous to the animal kingdom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:53 AM
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It means the 35 year old fighter has an additional 10 years of training. How do you control for that ?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:47 AM
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UFC fighting is more akin to dancing than primal fighting. It's as much about strategy and technique as it is about physical fitness. An untrained fighter isn't going to beat a UFC heavyweight weight champ no matter which one of them is in their prime. If you throw a bunch of untrained men in a ring my money is on the ones under 25 performing the best. Fighters aren't all going to have equal training and fitness though so I don't know how you'd even measure this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:42 AM
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Great timing. Because this. Men do not have the same freedom of selectivity that women have. Men want women more than women want men. As long as this is the case, women will largely be the ones who decide the rules around dating. Some women will be ok with a coffee date, some will not. Some women will be ok with splitting the bill, some will not. Men in large don't have the freedom to say I will only date a woman who will be ok with splitting the bill, because there is no guarantee any such woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:03 AM
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Women are in higher demand than men. Men are competing with other men for women's affections. The cultural norm is for men to pay for dates. If a man does not at least offer to pay he risks committing a faux pas that may lose him a potential partner. I think men complaining about this need to stop complaining and accept that this is what's expected of a man. But I don't understand why this expectation cannot be discussed honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 11:43 PM
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Look I'm not trying to advocate for men's rights or some shit, but the way we talk about these things is incredibly dishonest. Context is always important. Who’s asking who out? To some people the one initiating is the one that pays the first time. This is the same as saying the man is expected to pay. The vast majority of the time the man will be the initiator so if this is the standard then the standard is that men are expected to pay. That isn't even really the standard it's just an explanati…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 11:19 PM
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. I feel like some guys feel like they should pay and do so on their own volition before they’re even asked. Nobody plans to ask. The expectation is that the man will pay, especially in the early phases of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 11:00 PM
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Most any woman could fuck Matt on any given day. The fact that not every woman chooses to do so is worth noting. Not every man chooses to cheat on their partner either, but you have to balance that again the fact that not every man has the option of cheating on their partner. It's easy to be faithful when you don't have a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 04:31 PM
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I get that. But why one woman in particular. He's not going to be able to find a half-dozen women willing to provide him with the attention/validation he craves. He has the one he's with and if he doesn't stick with her then he'll have to do without.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 04:10 PM
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Women are definitely the more romantic sex. If men had the liberty to be as selective as women, then there would be practically no monogamous relationships. Men would only be in a rush to lockdown the most attractive women and only the most unattractive men would bother to try and lockdown anyone else. I think most men are really only in relationships because they wouldn't be able to get sex without them. And they've selected their specific partner because it's the best they can do. A woman can …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 04:03 PM
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Men are the true romantics of the world I agree with this in the sense that men tend to fall in love harder and faster, but... A woman's "love" is so short and fleeting. It is contingent on a man being on his A+ game, always, but worse than that, on her ability to attract the man she "wants" AND her ability to capitalize on it. I think men and women are the same in this regard. If their partner becomes substantially less desirable and/or a low cost, low risk way to trade up to a superior partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:13 PM
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Men will be wowed by a woman actually putting in effort, holding her own in a conversation Doubt it, the effect of any positive quality is influenced by how attractive the person is, so if the man finds the woman attractive then yes, otherwise no. While I agree that most women who aren't overweight would be considered attractive. Given most women fail to maintain a healthy weight, I don't know if you can honestly call that a low bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:27 PM
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I don't think most men are really trying to smash their female friends, just that they would if given the opportunity. I also think for a non-insignificant number of such friendships, the only reason they are just friends is because she wasn't interested in dating. This doesn't mean they aren't real friends though. or you could be so close to them that the thought of it becoming sexual is out of the question. I don't know if this is how it works for other people, but the closer I grow to a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:32 PM
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I'm not shaming anyone. The 50 year olds that can pull 20 year old women already know themselves. It doesn't take you into your 50s to have children. If you make it to your 50s without successfully mating, odds aren't looking good that you will once you hit 50. Sure some will, but is this tiny minority of men even worth thinking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 05:59 PM
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All the people with successful businesses, all professional athelete, all sorts of high value people were “dreaming” according to their haters and nay sayers. You do realize this is true of all the failed businesses and professional athletes as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 05:46 PM
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Market forces will decide that automatically. That's why I said "chances are". For some men sure, for most of them they're dreaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 05:37 PM
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Younger women are more attractive and that's really all there is to it. This whole thing about their fertility is just a post-hoc justification. Maybe subconsciously the attraction comes from signs of fertility, but practically it's just that they're better looking. If you're a man approaching his 50s and you haven't started a family yet, chances are you should find a new goal, you missed your chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 05:23 PM
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How many of your friends would do the same? Is this common in your circles?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:40 PM
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There are other love languages other than just let’s fuck! Quality time, acts of service. If she is cooking dinner for you, your cuddling on the couch making out etc and your just not having sex….bro she prob is into you… Sure, but this doesn't happen. Or at least I've never seen it. In my experience this comes after sex. Unless we're talking about a woman who is interested in you, but you aren't actually dating or you're talking about kids in school. I could be wrong of course, so if it's this …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:34 PM
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Well from my understanding of how this 3-month rule works is that I'm waiting 3 months while she is having casual with someone else when she wants to. I don't have a problem waiting 3 months or however long it takes for her to be comfortable. The problem I have is that I have a hard time believing any woman is actually waiting 3 months to have sex with a guy she actually likes. Therefore this 3 month waiting period is only being imposed because you don't respect me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:19 PM
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I don't see how this is debatable. There's obviously a higher demand for women than for men. Most girlfriends and wives have men in their DMs hoping to replace their partner. Most boyfriends and husbands have no such luck. Under these conditions obviously women are the ones that get to set the terms of engagement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:14 PM
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You know I saw someone post a description of male-female friendships that I think is spot on. Women will ask for a lot of their male friends, but if the male friend asks for any non-trivial favor they'll either get their spouse/boyfriend to do it or, failing that, they just won't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:46 PM
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I agree, but as much as it sucks for those guys, from her perspective it would be ridiculous to expect her to really consider them as options. Even if she did she would just be disgusted so there's really no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 09:22 PM
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I think this comparison is necessary to get the point across because it's difficult for men to understand women's dating complaints. You have to first appreciate how low of an opinion they have of most of their options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 09:06 PM
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I know that. What I'm trying to express is that women are choosier than men. So if you're looking at some woman who you figure is a female version of yourself, then you're probably aiming too high. She can do better, so women you grew up around who have very similar backgrounds are probably going to be a little out of your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 09:03 PM
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Women are pickier than men, so a wider range of women are deemed attractive. But, ultimately the mechanics are the same. People's standards are based on their options. Women have more options and thus higher standards. It is to the same effect though. I know it sucks to be compared to garbage and crackheads and the like, but unfortunately that is what you are to these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:51 PM
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I mean yeah, but you're probably talking about women who are at least moderately attractive. The truth is that attractive people don't date unattractive people, that's just how it goes. So yeah the unimpressive boys in the suburb have probably been pining after some of your friends for a long time, but they don't count. I know it sounds harsh, but it is very much the same way you wouldn't count a toothless old woman as a serious option.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:21 PM
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Lol, yeah. I've seen similar replies to this before and if male attention to a straight woman is equivalent to male attention to a straight man, then why wouldn't a man who struggles with women feel hopeless? That sounds insurmountable, you may as well give up if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 12:57 AM
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if a woman wants to use a toy with her partner “he’s not hitting it right” I'm willing to bet a sizable number of women would say exactly this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 12:41 AM
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I think everyone runs into this problem, not just men. You can have 100 friends, but you can only have one romantic partner (on average lol). If you like someone well enough that they'd be your best friend, then chances are high someone else does too. All 3 of you can be friends, but only 2 of you can be in a relationship. So it'd make sense that it's harder to find a romantic partner you like than a best friend you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 05:57 PM
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This is going to be mostly speculation, but I assume society would be structured around men as an underclass. Honestly we need more women than men for the purposes of reproduction, so men would be around for mainly work and protection. But if men are physically weaker then they are also less valuable for work and protection. So if you're not good for reproduction and you're no good for defense, then what good are you? You're just another mouth to feed. I imagine in modern times as physical stren…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:05 PM
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I agree. It's not that hard to meet some new people that you can call up to hangout with on occasion, but people I've met after about highschool/college age always feel a little bit more like strangers, even after we hang out for a while. I think part of it is that in a school setting I kinda just gravitated towards my friends, where as an adult I had to actively go out and find them which makes those relationships feel a little more forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:18 PM
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That first quote is a work of art. You guys really underestimate how Im all about gender equality. Gender equality would be both partners being certain about the parentage of their child. Women have that by default, explain to me how blind trust has a balancing effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:48 PM
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No, he'd look like the biggest fucking idiot ever for uprooting his life to tend to a child that he doesn't even want, because some woman lied to him. You can't tell me for not even 1 second that if men were the ones to get pregnant you'd have this same attitude. Half of you can't even sleep at night without checking your partner's phone, but apparently men are the only ones capable of deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:29 PM
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And you don't see how any of these things can create doubt?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 04:52 PM
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Lol, this is so unfair. You're basically saying he can't argue because arguing proves your point. Couldn't he just as easily say the same thing about you for arguing against him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 11:52 AM
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Beauty standards for both genders are most easily obtained by choosing the right parents. Women can just as easily get screwed in the genetics department as men can. Men having higher libidos are of course more likely to declare less than ideal women as attractive, but that doesn't mean they meet the idealized beauty standards. I often see people say women just need to not be fat, which I think is true for the most part, but this also applies to men. Ideally men are also not scrawny and not too …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 11:45 AM
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Well men are less concerned with the economic viability of their partner than women are. If men and women considered this equally you'd have a point, but because women value it more it doesn't affect women as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 12:33 AM
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Nobody cares, so nothing. The men that people care about don't have these problems, so the problem may as well not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 10:34 PM
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Successful LTRs take a lot of work, so of course not. But if you can get women to have sex with you, then you can get them to date you. You can work on building a relationship if you're so inclined. As opposed to the alternative which is to not be able to get casual sex, and thus not having a lot of maye choice and thus not having very successful romantic relationships in general (unless you get lucky)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:05 PM
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Just think about any act you would never ever do - you wouldn't do it for anyone, would you? Correct, but this is a tautology, of course I'd never do something I'd never do. So yes if a woman would never do a certain sex act, she will never do it no matter who asks. However, there is a massive difference between something you would never do and something you don't like doing. If a continued relationship depends on you performing a particular sex act, then if you want to continue the relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:03 PM
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fit, feminine, friendly, cooperative, This list is already too much to ask for, if I'm being real with you. I doubt there are enough women that meet this criteria to go around. She has different political views Men and women are different, unless you're super into politics this is just going to be another set of differences. It's not really going to matter, and hey if you like to debate you can debate each other. She's emotionally immature Going to need more elaboration on this, because again I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:31 PM
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I guess it is manipulation, but attractiveness is going to play a role in his ability to manipulate. If you know that refusal to participate in a certain sex act is going to be a deal breaker for a partner, you're more incentivised to participate in that sex act. More attractive people are easier to lose, and thus you're going to be more careful so as not to lose them. If Michael B. Jordan likes anal, every woman he dates is going to do anal, even if they don't like it. However if she doesn't li…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:07 PM
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The assumption seems to be that you would be more willing to do what is necessary to please a more attractive partner. Just as a more attractive person would be able to convince you to engage in sex at all, a more attractive person would more easily be able to convince you to engage in certain sex acts. So not necessarily a change in preferences, but a difference in willingness to participate in sex acts depending on a partner's attractiveness. This seems to make perfect sense to me, I don't kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 03:47 PM
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The sheer frikking lack of participation- I can understand that they are in a position of previlage where women choose the guy and men have to compete like animals within themselves. But many a times I've seen women writing "make me laugh" or "won't reply if it's just a hey or whatsup". A related phenomenon. I've seen women complain that guys don't read profiles, but any time I've mentioned something on a woman's profile they respond like they have no idea what I'm talking about. Like they are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 06:19 AM
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Ok. I understand how you're using "blame" now. Let me refine what I'm saying. It's unproductive to blame anyone but yourself because nobody else cares and is going to do anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:33 AM
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Is it really that common and does the euphemism really help avoid it? If some guy gets frustrated and lashes out, I don't know why the presented reason for rejection would matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:30 AM
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Agreed, but I wish more women would just say that straight up. When asked women tend to be vague in stating what they want. Relying on things like saying things like spark, connection and vybe are off instead of just saying the guy is fat and unattractive. Granted the code words for unattractiveness are understood, but guys get desperate and choose to believe things they know aren't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:37 AM
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What do you mean by "blame"? How are you defining that word? If you have a choice then you are to blame. It's just that simple. The word "blame" suggests someone is at fault. It cannot be a woman's fault that you aren't good enough for her. Presumably someone out there is good enough for her, if it's her fault and not yours, then how come someone else is successful where you failed. were it not for the valve malfunctioning, the ship would have made it home safe. instead, it blew up. Whoever is r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:27 AM
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"Bitchy" is subjective, attractive people are going to have options and thus act like they have options. They're going to put up with less, be less invested in people and be more demanding. This applies to men as well, but men in general are less desirable than women, so they'll come across nicer more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:12 AM
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It may not always be fair to blame yourself for rejection. But it's never fair to blame someone else. If someone rejects you it's because they don't think you're good enough for them (no, it's not because they don't think you'd be compatible) and some of the reasons they don't think you're good enough are your fault. You should have been richer, better looking and more interesting. Comparison between yourself and other men isn't 100% fair because we don't all have the same starting point, but yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:55 PM
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Well if you believe the results posted here the contention is not they aren't attracted to intelligence, competence,etc. It's that they prioritize these things over physically attractiveness, which does not appear to be the case. So the "lie" that is being told is that they value intelligence more than physical attractiveness. I don't think it's really a lie though, just a subconscious bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 10:01 PM
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Forcing them to choose, rather than forcing them to lie right? I'm not going to say the study is bulletproof, but seeing what traits the subjects prioritize seems to be the point. If you just say "both" you don't reveal any information as everyone would just say "both".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:55 PM
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Men accept everything more than women do. Women are fat pickier and have far more turn offs. The heart of it is likely homophobia, I am willing to go out on a limb and say women are disgusted by bisexual men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:45 PM
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Ok, but is this the norm amongst women? The context of this thread was OP asking why men don't settle down younger if they like younger women. My contention is that men don't typically have this option, because young women don't really want them. I find it hard to believe that young women usually have a hard time finding a mate at that age, but if they do then fine, this advice is equally useless to young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:46 AM
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I’m not saying you’re the same guy, but a lot of men will be quick to dismiss a women claiming she picked the “wrong guy”, and in the same breath complain that she made you wait for sex as a vetting strategy to see if you’re the “right guy”. I feel like this is a misinterpretation. I honestly don't think women in general make men that they are attracted to wait for sex. So it's not complaining about a vetting strategy, because it isn't a vetting strategy, she's just not that into the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:23 AM
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Young women also aren't really attracted to younger men, so it doesn't really matter. Most women aren't attracted to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:51 AM
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Seems fair to me, based on what I said. Unless you disagree with some part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:43 AM
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But MEN tell women CONSTANTLY that if they aren’t married by 25 or 30 then they will never get married. Well that's objectively untrue, so you can safely ignore it. However, younger women are typically more desirable. So speculatively settling down should be an easier task for a young woman, if this is meant to be a comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:03 AM
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Ok sure, so you get it then. Saying we should have settled down at 20 isn't fair, that wasn't an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:03 AM
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I have never, not once, been with a woman and had her decide to leave me. I often struggle to get a relationship initiated, but once we get to the point that we're having sex I've never had a problem with retention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 04:55 AM
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20 year old women are in high demand. Realistically not every 20 year old man is going to be able to get a 20 year old girl. Having money helps, and because people tend to make more money as they age, men are going to have somewhat of an easier time as they age. I know it can be hard to understand, but when I never gave much thought about what I wanted in a relationship till closer to 30 than 20 because when I was 20 what I wanted didn't matter, nobody wanted me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 04:46 AM
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Attraction is also based on the individual. Not everyone I find attractive will be attractive to others. Do you disagree with the statement that there are some traits that are broadly considered attractive? Of course there's some variability, but we all know what attractive people look like. And if starting a conversation is the issue then it’s not so much the looks then is it. As I said conversation becomes easier when a woman finds you attractive. If she doesn't find you attractive then.your s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 06:03 PM
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Agreed. I don't need to say more than 1 sentence to a woman to know if she's enthusiastic, then she's interested, otherwise she's not interested. If you have to look for signals, then there are no signals. I know some people find it hard to believe that absolutely nobody would be interested, but sometimes absolutely nobody is interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:32 PM
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If you can’t have a conversation looks only get you so far. Being attractive is going to make conversation easier though. Conversations have two parties and a woman who is attracted to you is going to put more effort into the conversation and thus the conversation will be better. Talking to a woman that's not attracted to you can be like talking to a wall. And attraction is completely random. Attraction is not at all random. There are clearly traits that are broadly considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:25 PM
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Yeah, people generally aren't super honest about this kind of thing. For what it's worth I don't think tall women are inherently unattractive. They can be very attractive. Which is why you'll see a lot of them in fashion or Hollywood as you said. But the reality of actually dating them can be a deterrent. Granted I don't think it's a death sentence, but I'm sure it's a challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:33 PM
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I like smaller women because I'm able to move them around easily and that makes me feel more masculine. I also know women like to feel small which is easier when they are small. On top of that even if I meet a tall woman I'm attracted to, if she's too tall I wouldn't even bother, because I know women don't like men being shorter than them. And I agree on the reverse I wouldn't want a woman taller than me either, I want to feel bigger than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:23 PM
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Women are not this hyper-rational, they like who they like. If a woman doesn't like a man it's not because he's inexperienced, it's because she's not attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:52 PM
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That's tangential to the point. That's not even true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:17 PM
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What I am getting from the comments on my comment is that men do not care if he loves a woman as long she loves him enough. This makes sense to me. Men don't generally have a set of women from which to choose the one they love. They approach women and see which one(s) will have them. This is going to make which women want them more important than which women they want. Women generally do have a set of men to choose from, so the specifics of the kind of partner they want is going to play a bigger…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:29 PM
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I agree. But that's why saying it's a man's nightmare to be dating the woman of his dreams is inaccurate. Just because a man is dating a woman doesn't make her the woman of his dreams or even a woman he likes all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 05:09 PM
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One would presume that women wouldn't want to be in monogamous relationships with men they aren't really interested in either. So I'm not sure what the point even is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 05:03 PM
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Because of how dating works for men, a man with an N count of 1 probably isn't dating the woman of his dreams. It's more likely he's dating the first woman that said "yes". Nobody's nightmare is to date their ideal partner. It's just that men like sex and will happily have sex just for the sake of it, even if he's not romantically interested in the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:57 PM
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Could be any number of reasons maybe less time, maybe too much stress, or maybe the fact that she's willing to be with a man who makes less than her indicates that she's very attracted to him and doesn't want anyone else. I still think women only cheat when they want to leave their partner. And not just for the sake of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:41 PM
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Why is it different simply because it’s harder? The difficulty, fundamentally changes how this is viewed. If a man can sleep with 50 women it means there's something exceptional about him (from a woman's perspective) as women are choosing to sleep with him. It's hard to cast such a man in a negative light, because his success with women indicates positive characteristics. Most men will not ever be able to find 50 unique women that are willing to sleep with them, thus a man with a body count of 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:19 PM
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Yet, some men genuinely believe that women will choose an average Joe with a bodycount in the hundreds over a guy that's better looking/more charismatic/richer/actually talented that hasn't slept with loads of women? Hilariously out of touch. It's not that they will choose. It's that they have chosen. A man who has slept with a lot of women has already been designated as "high value" by women through their decision to sleep with him. It doesn't work the same for women, because most men would sle…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 02:46 PM
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Most of the replies aren't actually challenging the point. The argument is that red pill content is on the rise because it's one of the few places offering any actionable advice to struggling men. While most of the replies are arguing that red pill is wrong or bad, which is irrelevant to question at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:40 PM
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This is probably true incidentally, but not as a cause. The more women you meet, the more potential opportunities to sleep with women. That said, it's just a result of bigger numbers. I'm of the view that a woman decides whether she would be willing to sleep with you within seconds of meeting you, and the deciding factor is almost exclusively how you look. Your personality can turn women off of course, but it cannot turn them on. So yes, more social men will likely sleep with more women, but it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:40 AM
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I've seen women straight up ask dudes for sex too, yeah. If they happen to be super attractive. But most people aren't that attractive, plus even if they were I still think it's the minority of women that will be that direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:41 PM
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I only care that I'm attracted to my partner and that I like spending time with her. I don't care how much money she makes or if she's ambitious or if she even has a job. As long as I enjoy my time with her those things don't matter to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:07 PM
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I don't even think it's unique to men. I think that's just how people are in general. At least in my experience women never really seem interested in friendship unless they're also interested in dating. Friendships with women outside of contexts where you're forced to interact (school, work, mutual friends, etc.) seem hard to maintain unless she's interested in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:09 PM
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I don't see the problem either. Unless you have a reason to talk to a woman, I don't see why you'd be talking to her and trying to date/fuck them is one of the main reasons men talk to women. Women don't behave any differently. Women don't just talk to strange men unless they're trying to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:57 PM
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They rarely have to. Men will more often than not take the initiative. When you ask someone out you risk rejection which can be painful or at least uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:15 PM
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I think that's fair. I had to learn pretty solidly the other way that you can't really win a woman over and that if a woman is interested she'll make it obvious. Guys get desperate and cling to any female attention they get. Plus if a man likes a woman as a friend there's probably no reason he wouldn't date her so it's a little different from a man's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:47 PM
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My experience with women is similar. There are exceptions of course, like as part of larger friend groups. Or family friends etc. But generally if a woman isn't interested romantically then trying to interact with them is like pulling teeth, they just don't really care to interact at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:16 PM
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As long as there is attraction, it’s all good. Precisely. The attraction you're referring to is sexual attraction. Hence desire to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:19 PM
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If I’m hovering around a man it’s because I see him as relationship material. Same thing. Whether or not you would have sex with someone is the driving factor in determining whether you'd consider being in a relationship with them (vs. just hanging out with them )
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:56 PM
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Women don't "approach" the way men approach. They orbit, they find reasons to be around you. I've never been straight asked out on a date by a woman, but I generally find it pretty transparent when they're interested. Generally if they show any unprompted enthusiasm about being with or around you, then you can be pretty sure she's into you. Men and women are pretty similar in that neither really shows much interest in people of the opposite sex unless they'd like to sleep with them. So if a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:03 PM
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I don't think such ratings are super objective. All the women you linked are very attractive. Whether they are 8, 9 or 10 is gonna depend on personal taste/feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:14 AM
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Are you assuming that every single man is straight? Are you assuming half of all single men are gay/bi cause that's the only way this makes a difference. And yes, that stat is probably misleading. Probably you say? He has a stat and you have a guess, makes me wonder what's the point of evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:28 PM
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But if there are more single men than women within the age range, it stands to reason that some men will not really have the option to date someone their own age. Are you trying to say the stat is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:18 PM
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The age gap becomes pronounced after age 25. (Because I say so). A 26 year old could also be in college as could a 30, 40 or 50 year old. Whether or not you're enrolled in college means absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:03 PM
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I’ve also been out with Men that are 5.2 , and I also know plenty of women that have done the same This is just not true. The number of men who are this short is vanishingly small. Maybe you know one woman who dated a man this short, you do not know "plenty".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:21 PM
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By this logic everything is stupid. Biological programming is why we do literally everything. And because of sex, most people don't really know what love is because they're stuck at the instinctive level where their lives basically revolve around sex and pleasure Love is also just chemicals we only love people because loving those people feels good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:59 PM
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The effects of post nut clarity are quite pronounced. I'm sure a non-insignificant number of men really show a lot of interest until after they've had sex and realize they don't like a woman as much as they thought they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:52 PM
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Aren't most adults overweight in most developed countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:31 PM
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I mean 60k a year is reasonable. The guy making 60k a year is going to have more options than the same guy making 30k a year. You're not going to suddenly start drowning in models, but at least you're not broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:58 PM
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how much do you think it requires? Because the majority of women can afford a place to live. Some. Women don't like broke guys and young men are generally broke. Having at least some money is going to help. Another thing to note is that because women are also going to be getting less attractive, their standards are going to fall. Whether we like it or not, who someone is willing to date is going to scale with their own attractiveness. I am just talking about men who are like a 7/10 in looks and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:58 PM
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I don't think it requires a lot of money, just some money. Enough such that you can offer decent dates and a place to live. Plus even if such a man doesn't get more attention, he's also not going to get less. 0 is 0, getting older isn't going to make it more 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:29 PM
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In my opinion what makes aging different for men than it is for women, is that for some younger men they're just not going to get any interest from women. As they get older and start to have more to offer women (and as women their age become less attractive) they'll start to get some attention. Even if they aren't drowning in options when they get older, there's still likely to be improvement. While I agree everyone gets less attractive as they age, if women already weren't attracted to me, beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:53 PM
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I believe the assumption is that most women are sleeping with who they want anyway. So if she's not sleeping with you within 3 dates it's because she's not interested. Essentially they don't believe that you're "pure" to begin with, so if you're not sleeping with him, you're sleeping with someone else and he's just wasting his time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 04:59 PM
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most people leave when their no longer happy How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:38 PM
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Ok. Your assumption that just because a relationship is long means it's good or happy is flawed. That advice from some people in long relationships may be helpful is as meaningless as saying advice from some people may be helpful. It's true, but not really instructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:35 PM
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We don’t know any of the details other than if they could have left each other, they would have by now. A relationship that long takes, compassion, compromise, patience from both parties during good and bad times Nonsense. My parents absolutely hate each other and have been married for nearly 30 years now. They stay together primarily for financial reasons. They stopped sleeping in the same bed like 20 years ago and can't barely be in the same room without getting into a fighting match. I wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:14 PM
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You'd give the same advice if they complained about being perpetually single, so what's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:44 AM
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Have you considered that for some an abusive partner may be preferable to no partner? In which case choosing the abusive partner is "choosing better".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:08 AM
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The reason people say “whoever asks should pay” is because that’s simply the most logical solution. I disagree. People say it in response to the question "Why do men have to pay?" because they heard somebody else say it. But it's a post-hoc rationalization. The man is expected to pay because he's the man and in our culture part of the courtship ritual is that the man will attempt to impress a woman by doing things like paying for dates. Really has nothing to do with who initiates the date, and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:08 PM
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Having an abundance of sexual options from people you don’t want to have sex with is useless. As phrased I agree, but if you don't want to have sex with them I don't know why you'd want a relationship with them. And if what you meant was that you want a relationship from them rather than just sex, I don't see how it's useless to get free leads on a potential relationship. Keep in mind the alternative is pretty much that no man would show any interest at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:19 PM
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The conversion rate between sex and relationships is incredibly low. Low is better than 0. If men didn't desire sex with unattractive women, I guarantee you they would have absolutely no chance of finding a relationship. Plus this mentality doesn’t consider the behaviors of women that men supposedly value the most - chaste, low n women. How is a woman supposed to benefit from this increased sexual access if she shouldn’t be having random sex? Do what most women do, lie. Besides you don't even ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:17 PM
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I think a lot of men in this thread think that as women we have it easier because it’s easier to get sex. It’s not all about that though. I’d rather have love. If a man struggles to get sex, he's going to struggle to find love. From a man's perspective it would be nice to at least have the option to have sex if they can't find someone who loves them. Additional men wanting to have sex with you is free exposure it'll grant you more opportunities to meet men and thus more chances to meet a man you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:32 PM
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The title of this post is absolutely hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 04:02 PM
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Im still baffled bc it seems like men are the oblivious ones on this point. It's because when a man suggests that their looks might be the cause for their difficulties dating people prefer to deny it. Like you said earlier it's an elephant in the room nobody likes to discuss. IRL people are usually trying to be nice when they say that looks aren't cause the problem, but online it typically morphs into an attack where everyone suddenly knows a 4'10, 600 pound burn victim who is pulling different …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:02 PM
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Intentionally killing someone is a crime with harsher penalties than accidentally killing someone while driving under the influence, so I'm not sure what point this is supposed to make. More to the point if you successfully drive home without killing anyone and you never get caught, then nobody gets hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:48 PM
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If you did something that you knew would hurt your parents/your friend/your pet, would you then claim to love them? People who cheat aren't typically trying to hurt their partner. Typically an attempt is made to keep cheating secret as what you don't know cannot hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:29 PM
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Compatibilities between personalities is what makes relationships worthwhile. So in that sense personality is far more important than looks. Unfortunately I agree that people are primarily drawn together by physical attraction rather than personality traits. In addition how a person perceives your personality is going to be influenced heavily by how physically attractive they find you. Personally I think ultimately looks are more important because the more attractive you are, the more potential …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:24 PM
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I'd like to have a stay at home wife because I like the idea of providing for a woman I love. If I were to take a woman as my wife I'd want her life to be as easy and happy as I can make it. I'm not interested in having kids, so I'm not too worried about funding 2 people. I make enough money now that I should be able to support another person easily. But if I couldn't afford it then there's nothing to discuss. If I can't afford it I can't afford it. Wouldn't really matter if I wanted it if that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:20 AM
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If a sufficiently attractive woman was interested in me I'd probably excuse the meth usage honestly. The only reasons I wouldn't date her are if I don't like being around her or if I'm embarrassed to be seen with her in public. Since she's hot I probably won't be embarrassed to be seen with her in public so I guess it comes down to whether or not meth use makes her insufferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:34 PM
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Women are pickier than men on just about every criteria not just looks. Men just ask for less of a partner than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:17 PM
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What does "feels young" mean here exactly? Cause I don't really see much of a difference in how women in their 20s act as compared to women in their 30s. Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:49 PM
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It's no different than viewing women as friends with no romantic intentions. If a woman is my friend then I'm not having sex with her so this is completely unrelated to sex. This is such a weird way to view women lol. I don't know what the alternative world view is, this is how it works. If a man is having sex with a woman then that woman has deemed him good enough to have sex with. How else am I supposed to see it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:11 PM
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I don't know how one avoids viewing sex as a reward for men. If a man isn't able to get sex, he has to make changes to his life such that he is able to get sex. Access to sex is a reward for his efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:11 PM
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Whether or not a woman enjoys sex has no bearing on whether or not sex is a reward. It's a reward regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:50 PM
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Women can have sex pretty much with whoever they want so her choosing to have sex with one man in particular is effectively a reward. I don't see why it matters whether she enjoys it or not if the man wasn't good enough in her eyes she wouldn't have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:19 PM
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In my experience once a woman is having sex with you, you're more or less good. She'll stick around through most anything. I don't think either my dick or my personality is that special which leads me to believe that women just become attached once you start having sex. So unless my observation is completely wrong, no I don't think that an attractive man, who is obviously going to have women sleeping with him quickly, is going to have any trouble keeping women's attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 08:50 PM
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If men could get sex as easily as women, I don't think most of them would cheat. Rather I figure they'd just never get into relationships in the first place. Why get into a relationship just to cheat if you can just have sex with whoever you want anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 10:49 PM
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My problem is not with people in relationships. My problem is with people who act like they're too good to participate in a forum they're participating in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:34 PM
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I don't know that you are necessarily one of the people I was talking about though. People on here dead ass act like they're too good to be on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:32 PM
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Quick question. Do those of you with the "OMG why are you talking here discussing this instead of being outside getting laid" attitude realize that you are also engaging in the conversation. This above it all attitude doesn't work when you're also doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:27 PM
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Evolutionary psychology is far from bulletproof Very few areas of study are bulletproof That has nothing to do with what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:11 PM
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Women like short men because a tall person might be easier to spot over the shrubbery by an animal predator This is a horrible example. You can suggest this theory if women like short men, but since this is demonstrably untrue this is just gibberish. A better example would be if I said "Women like tall men because they provide shade on hot summer days". You can challenge me by saying that's not why women like tall men. But you can't challenge me by saying women like short men, because we know th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:06 PM
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Taller people are also heavier, so it is really the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:18 AM
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Be very attractive. The more attractive you are the more you can get away with. Muscles and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:16 AM
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I mean there's no real solution, if a woman is gonna sleep with you she's gonna sleep with you. If you're 30 she already assumes your not a virgin, I'd say it's safest to let her keep assuming that. A lie by omission is still a lie in my book, but unless she's really into you, then it's likely to put her off. You could join the Church if you're so inclined, a lot of women may still be put off, but waiting till marriage in a religious context is valid in my book, and there are some women who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:11 AM
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Lie. Either lie about being a virgin or lie about the reason. If you don't want to lie then hire a prostitute and then you don't technically have to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 02:58 AM
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Who decides what the number is and what happens if the number is high? You do. If it would bother you if your woman had some high n, then you do care. How high before it's starts to bother you really depends on you. How would I know? I didn’t ever ask. I never ask either, because I don't ask questions I don't want answered. You didn't answer my question though, there is no number that would be a problem for you, so if you found out it was 3000 you wouldn't bat an eye? Wouldn't be a problem at al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 02:49 AM
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You don't care as long as the number is something you consider reasonable. Are you still ok if your girl has an n of 30, 300, 3000 is it all just ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 02:38 AM
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Men care about n count. I don't understand why you're pretending you don't know that. Hell, even women care about n count. If that number gets too high people are going to be put off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 02:28 AM
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I mean, I just assumed women were doing what we were doing You know it's not the same thing. Nobody wants to hear that their woman was the town bicycle, men get clowned for that. (I mean who do you think we were doing things with) Fucking them is one thing, marrying them is another.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 02:11 AM
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Does a man's n count affect whether or not he cares about a woman's n count?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 01:55 AM
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Aren't trying what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 01:50 AM
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This is irrelevant to whether or not those men care about n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 01:41 AM
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"he has to be tall, that is it." Seems extreme for this to be the only thing she cares about, I doubt most are like that. Really young? Closer to this. I'd say for men it's being pretty, it's just that younger women are prettier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 09:11 PM
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Fine, let me soften my stance. There's less incentive for women to improve. Most of them are doing about as well as can be expected without much effort. Sure if they want to get married to the whole 6/6/6 package then they'll have to up their game. But truth is there's just not enough men like that to go around, despite all they may do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 03:40 PM
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So like here's the thing. I don't mind waiting for an extended amount of time for sex with the right woman. But I've never dated a woman who actually liked me that wanted to wait more than a date or two for sex. Generally if it's longer than that it's never gonna happen, at least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:42 PM
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The mistake they make is believing that the average woman is not. I don't see why women should care honestly, someone will date them. The onus is on men to improve so they can win women's approval. Women already have access to men if they want it. For the purposes of attracting a mate, most women don't really need to improve anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:34 PM
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Relatable. Sometimes I remind myself that life is temporary and it helps me get through the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:54 PM
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I think if you genuinely tried to connect with women on an, “I don’t have to fuck her for this conversation to be a success,” level you’d have much better luck. I've never had any luck with anything that wasn't immediate. It's either physical intimacy on the first date or straight to the friend zone. Can't claim this is the universal experience, but it's the one I've had.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 09:51 PM
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I disagree. My options in women are too narrow to apply very much of a filter. It doesn't matter what I want because most women don't want me anyway. So on the rare occasions that I do see some success, I take it, and it's because she says "yes" and for almost no other reason. If I started saying "I want a woman who is thin, submissive, intelligent, etc.", then I'd never date anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 09:46 PM
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so you lie in order to get women? Yep. that doesn't seem like eroding her ability to consent to you? Never thought about it that way. But I guess so, but if the alternative is not getting any then that's the way it's gonna be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 08:45 PM
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I'm aware, thus I would never say that. I would just come up with something I like about her when she asks why I'm interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 08:20 PM
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Maybe one day I'll be at a point where I can ask for that much. But I know that right now that's too much to ask for me. I also really don't care about some of these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 08:04 PM
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au contraire, I make a point of shooting my shot with every woman I talk to. Granted I could probably be talking to more women, but my success rate isn't high enough to apply all of that as a filter. I'm not saying men in general aren't looking for all that. I'm just saying that if I was looking for all that then I'd just have to accept dying alone, cause it's not happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:53 PM
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Must be nice to be able to be so picky. At this point "Not ugly" is the bar I have set.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:32 PM
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5'11 and 4
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:38 PM
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Are the wives hot? Cause that's really what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:21 PM
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its still harmful and means that women can't meaningfully consent to what is happening. Not the point. You asked why men treat the women they get like shit. This guy hasn't gotten a woman until he lied. i think bc they are mad at women/life or whatever. idk. Well there you go, because they're fucked in the head. when men say this, its not that their standards are slightly lower than womens, its that they just don't want to do labor and think women should do it for free and shut up. What makes yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:02 PM
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if she wants to be. if she's disabled in a way that makes it impossible for her to have sex. if she's disfigured. Apart from those cases, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:56 PM
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So something I think there is confusion about us men want women primarily for sex. If a man says he wants you he primarily means he wants to have sex with you, everything else is secondary. well a big thing would be lying to us for sex. If he's lying to you for sex then he hasn't gotten you then has he ? And if he doesn't lie to you he's not going to get sex. In this case the mistreatment is for the purposes of maintaining a relationship. the frequency with which men ghost women after sex is ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:49 PM
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isn't there statistically more women (population) than men in most countries especially the west ? Doesn't matter, women have higher standards and are more comfortable being single. https://time.com/6104105/more-single-men-than-women/ Your assertion is that this is by choice? Cause at a glance it's just saying broke men aren't getting married, probably because women don't want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:40 PM
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What does "treat us like shit" mean? In what ways ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:23 PM
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Women are harder to replace than men. Men want relationships with women more than women want them with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:21 PM
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Oh no, he won't be nice at all. He'll most likely be extremely rude just like he is to any other woman he wouldn't fuck. I don't think any of my friends would be rude to a woman they're rejecting. They may talk shit behind her back though which I think is probably the equivalent of women saying men are "creepy", cause I doubt women regularly call men "creepy" to their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:06 PM
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But in a social group setting where people are together for an extended period of time like some small house party I agree in general, but I think the example of a house party doesn't work. In settings where people are forced to get to know you, your positive qualities can shine through, but a house party is still probably too short for this to come across, especially if there is someone particularly attractive at the party.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:00 PM
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Ugly and overweight, no. Ugly or overweight, probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 10:50 AM
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More often than never.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:22 AM
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I mean, people just browse porn. I don't know that they actively look for the latest releases in porn. Old videos float to the top of porn pages sometimes. It's not like it's going to happen to every mom that's ever done OnlyFans, but it's definitely a stretch to say it'll happen to none of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:42 AM
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You don't have to actually go on OnlyFans to get OnlyFans content. Any of it that has been bought has already been copied and put elsewhere. In 10 years it'll be reposted on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:34 AM
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It's bound to happen a few times, I doubt it's going to be common, but once it's on the internet it's there forever. I'm just looking forward to the story of the kid that was too focused on jerking off to recognize his mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:26 AM
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Girls gone wild was disturbed primarily through VHS and DVD. Only fans videos are definitely going to be easier to find, especially if you're dumb enough to attached to it. Of course that's assuming anyone thinks to look for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:01 AM
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I don't know if it's important to remember, but men are going to have it in mind. Men are aware that they're in competition and that other men want their women. It's just a fact of life. I don't know how unlikely it is, women cheat all the time, and I firmly believe that if a woman is cheating it's because she seems the person she's cheating with as superior to her current partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 08:41 PM
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imagine behaving like you’re 20 when you’re in your 30s What's wrong with that? Some people are late bloomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:17 PM
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How much better could something really be, to make cheese seem like a big zero, and to bother jumping ship? Exactly, it's a cost/benefit analysis. A woman isn't going to throw away her whole relationship for something that's not significantly better. However, I'm not going to delude myself into thinking a woman wouldn't leave me for Drake or some such if he wanted her. Drake wants your woman, she's gone. Of course, Drake would never want any woman that is with me, but somewhere between me and Dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:47 PM
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is that my brain/heart/soul/mind/eyes have already ran all the possible calculations, subconsciously weighted all the variables, and determined that this new person eclipses the last. In every way? Ridiculous. Also can’t remember much about the best parts of sex with exes, even if I try to remember the absolute peak experiences. That's weird, I don't know why you wouldn't be able to. I remember the best parts of my past relationships. Honestly, to my mind, if you’re randomly thinking of exes and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:27 PM
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I don't think they even bother to keep it a secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:24 PM
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After reading through this thread, I have come to the conclusion that women don't like sex. Which answers so many other questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 09:12 AM
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And typically partners enjoy the other’s company enough for sex to not be a requirement in the relationship. They do what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 09:08 AM
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Usually she just comes up on my FYP and I mindlessly click buttons. By the time I realize what I've done it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:12 PM
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I find the opposite. They tend to more readily have sex than give blow jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:09 PM
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Cuckoldry is just a fetish, the men get off on feeling jealousy and being disrespected. On the other end of the spectrum men don't trust their women. They don't want someone stealing them. This isn't irrational, someone is always hoping to steal your woman. I don't believe anybody is ok with their partner having only fans, even if they say so. They just aren't secure enough in themselves to enforce that boundary. As for how they dress in public I don't personally care, it doesn't matter how mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:03 PM
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I assume because they think having sex with a man will them want to commit. Or because the man is too attractive to say no to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:55 PM
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Actually I would advise not to have sex till marriage. If you want a commitment then don't sleep with men that don't want to commit to you. Of course not every guy is going to be willing to wait for sex and there are going to be some men you're not going to able to resist having sex with, so if you know you're gonna have sex before a commitment anyway you may as well "Fuck him immediately". No point in dragging out the process if you know it's gonna happen anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:13 PM
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Could see myself doing this under 2 conditions: - I intend to marry this woman - I don't expect I'll be able to otherwise get sex in the near future. I have flown out for sex before, wasn't having any luck with women around me, but I knew one in a different country that had a crush on me, so I flew to see her every couple of months for around 2 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 07:48 PM
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Yes if women paired off solely based on personality compatibility the answer is pretty maybe rather than a raw yes. There have been a few women in my life that I've gotten along with really well, who I think if that were the only factor they would be interested in me. Even then there'd still be competition for them, I'm not the only man in the world that's compatible with them, and I can think of far more men than women who I get along famously with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:31 PM
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Would I fuck them? No? And the ones who haven't tried to make a move already know the answer is no. I would agree it isn't worth risking the friendship to not get laid. it’s not a compliment when men would literally fuck a hole in the ground if they got horny enough. These are your friends though, one would imagine that if you like them enough to be friends, then they'd be decent as romantic partners, you enjoy their company anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:10 PM
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I'd fuck any of my female friends given the opportunity. I know them well enough to know they're gonna say no anyway. I imagine your friends are the same, it's just not worth the headache of disrupting your relationship dynamic, especially when you're probably not gonna fuck them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:54 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's still gonna hurt him. Technically if he never finds out, then no. His feelings aren't going to be hurt at least. His wallet is gonna be hurt, making it somewhat different, and the children will also be deprived of knowing their biological father, but if for whatever reason those things don't matter, then yeah it's exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 09:22 PM
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I agree, but I don't know if "behavior" and "personality" are really the same thing. I don't think the behaviors you outlined as attractive really indicate much about a person's personality, in fact most of the ones you identified really just go back to appearance. So in the sense that I don't think behavior is really all that indicative of a person's personality, I still don't think personality is really a massive factor in mate selection. I do agree that how you carry yourself and interact wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 09:15 PM
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What she doesn't know won't hurt her. If he wanted to hurt he wouldn't keep it secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 08:59 PM
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but when I love someone, hurting them would hurt me too. Which is why it's a secret. The woman isn't supposed to find out. The man cheating usually isn't trying to hurt anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 08:27 PM
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If a woman generally cheats because she’s unhappy with the relationship…that means there are at least clues / signs prior to cheating that the relationship is at risk. And in most cases she’s let her partner know for weeks / months / years that she is unhappy for x reason. Sometimes, or sometimes she just finds someone she likes better and will become dissatisfied based on that. There isn't always something you did or something you can change. what I don’t get is how the risk of potentially losi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 08:22 PM
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So as long as he doesn't leave, the relationship is doing good in your opinion? I don't think the fact that he slept with someone else is enough to determine if the relationship is going well, but no it's not a good sign. Do you think the woman would agree if she was aware of the cheating? In most cases no, but depending on the man, yes. I'm questioning the dude in the relationship if he isn't seeing that his partner has completely checked out and not taking steps to either catch up on why that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 08:06 PM
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A man cheating doesn't necessarily want to leave his partner. A woman cheating wants to leave her partner. If she's leaving anyways, it doesn't matter much whether she fucks a dude before or after breaking things off Just because she wants to leave doesn't mean she will. There's lots of reasons a woman might stay in a relationship she's not into anymore, the fact that she's cheating means she's decided her partner is inadequate. A man cheating is just having sex, the quality of his partner is ir…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 07:24 PM
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Don't threaten me with a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 06:43 PM
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Nope. I don't want to be dependent on any woman, worse if I'm not attracted to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 06:41 PM
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Has he ever been in the position? Sometimes we don't think things will bother us until we are actually faced with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 06:10 PM
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The hotter a woman is the more it'll matter, even if you look like Michael B. Jordan. It really just depends on who you're competing against, and what they have to offer. The more attractive the woman, the steeper the competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 05:50 PM
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Yeah exactly, men cheat for just sex, it's not necessarily an indictment on his woman in any way. Women cheat because they prefer the person they're cheating with. Incidentally that's why I think women cheating is worse than men cheating. A man cheating just means some woman let him hit. A woman cheating is hoping to replace her partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 05:31 PM
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Most women are really strict on dating guys who have good jobs or make a decent amount of money. I don't think this is true, the more physically attracted she is to you, the more flaws you're allowed in other areas. Women will say they'll only date men with good jobs, but then they'll just go ahead and date a man without a job. That said I find people's preferences are matched with their options. The more attractive a woman is, the more money is going to be a factor. Even if you're Adonis if a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 05:26 PM
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That's true. I think those reasons are also pretty promiscuity independent though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 05:09 PM
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My guess is that men and women have different triggers for cheating. Men cheat just because they're presented with the opportunity. Women cheat because they're dissatisfied with their partner in some way. The more partners she's had in the past the more points of comparison she has to make, the more ways her current partner can fall short.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 04:12 PM
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Is this actually just the modern dating scene or is this just how male-female dynamics are?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 04:01 PM
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Lying and manipulation is a terrible waste of time and energy just to get laid though Not if it works. The 30 year old virgin dudes, for example, are going to have to lie about it, it's just not going to work out otherwise. I've seen some pretty narrow definitions of "lying" when this comes up, but a lie of omission is still lying. If you know something is going to bother your partner, and so you don't bring it up, that's still lying and I've seen women give that as advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 12:01 PM
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It's a reminder not to get too attached. If you remember she can and will leave you at a moment's then it hurts less when she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:48 AM
1

You make it sound like people regularly meet sexual partners and put them into separate tracks - casual sex vs. casual sex leading to relationship. I don't know how regularly this happens, but it does happen. FWB relationships are real, and they are just sex. The difference between a FWB relationship and the sex that happens in the early stages of courtship is that a relationship is an expected outcome of the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:56 PM
1

Sure, but this is not the norm. More often than not they want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:28 PM
1

Casual sex would be having sex for the sake of having sex, despite not expecting a relationship with the person you're having sex with. This does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:19 PM
1

Depends on your starting point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:11 PM
1

What definition are you working with then? Any sex before you've had an exclusivity talk? In that case you're right most sex with a new partner is casual sex. The thing is I don't know how you can call it casual when one party is expecting a commitment at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:08 PM
2

What makes you doubt that? I don't know if your experience is different, but most of the time women have sex with the expectation of commitment. I can't imagine a world where I could tell a woman that I'm not interested in a relationship and she'd still have sex with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:06 PM
2

And yes, they do try to find out what you're intentions are before having sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:02 PM
2

In my experience a woman isn't having sex with me unless she at least thinks there's going to be a relationship out of it. That's not what I define as casual sex. Casual sex would be having sex despite knowing that there will be no relationship after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:01 PM
1

Do you doubt that sex is bought with commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 08:54 PM
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A LTR is definitely easier to get than casual sex. If you can get casual sex you can get an LTR, but the inverse is not true. Unless you're popular with women you're going to have to convince most of them that you are at least considering an LTR before they'll have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 08:50 PM
1

At which point you've done all you can. Can't say you didn't tell them at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:02 PM
2

There's usually 1 or 2 on any thread where they get to discussing how disgusting high n men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 04:39 AM
2

Am I the only man that women grill about past relationships? They always seem to want to bring the topic up, and once that topic comes up I'm going to be able to get an estimate without needing to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 04:22 AM
3

I've seen a lot of them say they'd prefer a virgin too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 04:07 AM
5

I suspect women struggle to understand this simply because getting access to sex has never been a problem for them. They pretty much get it whenever they want it. It's not like women don't cheat, they just don't need to take risks like that to get sex, they can get it anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:59 AM
1

65 is long enough. I'm not sure I even want to make it to 50 if I'm being honest with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:54 AM
1

It's illegal in too many places. Unless you've got money to fly off for it you'll realistically have to risk jail time. If prostitution were legal and readily available I'd hire prostitutes regularly, but since it's not, I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:47 AM
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In the post we are commenting on OP states that the challenge that attractive women face is that they have to filter through "worthless dirtbags" according to OP this is a challenge unique to women that makes dating for them harder than it is for attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:42 AM
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Sure women could approach. But why would they need to when men come to them? You literally provided a reason. If they don't approach then they don't get to pick who they want, they have to settle for whoever approaches them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:35 AM
6

Yes, so why is it only stated as a challenge for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:33 AM
22

If that's the stance then what's the point of comparison, you are comparing the difficulty of doing 2 different things. You're comparing a man's ability to get casual sex to a woman's ability to get an LTR. Why would you not compare like to like. Women can also approach whoever they like. There's nothing stopping them, the fact they feel above doing it doesn't make it a difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 01:28 AM
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They can have a relationship/sex anytime they want!" Well, if you're in this position, you've got to filter out all the worthless dirtbags. You only say this because you've been successfully brainwashed into thinking man-bad woman-good. If an attractive woman is running into a lot of "worthless dirtbags" then why isn't an attractive man? The assumption you're making is that all a man's options are good, because they are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 01:09 AM
1

Anyone can get a girl. I'd argue not anyone can get a girl they actually like, but if you keep going there's one that will let you hit eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:51 AM
1

The question is what women should do. I get why they don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:45 AM
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I doubt it's any worse at 30 than it is at 25 honestly. Generally past 25 you can't let women know if you want to get laid though. The women on here who say they'd happily take a virgin at that age are lying to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:44 AM
2

I don't think only women practice hypergamy. Everyone should try to get the best partner they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:41 AM
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They do, and sometimes they even get upset if you don't answer appropriately.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:47 PM
2

Starts to be weird at 20, but it's still common enough at that age that it's not the biggest deal in the world. Past 25 people are going to think (rightly) that there's something wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:38 PM
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What would you have the women do in response? Straight up telling them to hit the road would probably be better for them in the long run. But I can understand why a woman may not want to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:28 PM
4

A lot of women are like this. Once they're interested in you, they think every woman in the world wants you. (And that you've already slept with half of them)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:22 PM
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This only works from a woman's perspective. An attractive woman always has someone else interested in her. If you're not in competition as a man then you're aiming low.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:16 PM
1

I think the point is that he approached all 4 women and not whether or not they actually gave him their numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:07 PM
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You aren't going to be tested on if you still loved her if she were a ficus. An aside: Why do women ask these questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:06 PM
1

Codependency knows no class. My parents could never afford to have a grown man sitting at home, eating food using utilities, not if they want to maintain anything that resembles a comfortable lifestyle. It has a class. My daughters have ambition and you should, too. Women set the rules of engagement in dating, so if ambition is the price of gaining access to women, then men will have ambition. Perhaps unfortunately for your daughters, it doesn't seem that enough women are using ambition as a bar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:46 PM
0

if he didn't do something shitty to deserve being made fun of "Deserve" is subjective here, you may as well say: "I've literally seen a woman make fun of man's looks unless she wanted to"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:43 PM
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Because the relationship isn't really a choice. It's her or nothing. You aren't choosing your partner, they've chosen you, and you're rolling with it rather than being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 05:02 AM
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Ok, but if a girl asked you to meet in public first what would you say? These guys literally say no. You know when I hear women complain about men sometimes I have to wonder where on god's earth they are finding them. He hasn't even had sex with you yet and he already can't be bothered to pretend to care about anything else? That's crazy. I have to assume that these men are the kind of giga-chad that can get away with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:48 AM
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Depends on whether or not I love them. If we love each other sure, the LTR will be happier long term than endless casual sex. Getting into an LTR because the woman is one of very few options is probably not going to be happy though regardless of whether or not she loves me. So if I have my pick of a partner, then I'd be happier in a LTR. If I don't then I'd rather have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:45 AM
3

I've asked women out immediately and gotten dates. I've also decided to take it more slowly and gotten absolutely nowhere. It really has more to do with whether or not the woman finds me attractive than the approach itself. Everything has limits of course, I can't just walk up to a woman and ask "Hey wanna fuck?". That's always going to elicit a negative reaction. A sufficiently attractive man is going to see some success with his "Hey wanna fuck?" though. Some women are going to think it's just…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:37 AM
1

I missed the part where I said the parents were “affluent”. If their parents can afford to have them sit around all day then they're affluent in my book. the girl who is looking to date a grownup didn’t, and she’d rather be alone than babysit you, or lead you into adulthood. There's no shortage of men who did the same, your daughters classes were full of them. I don't understand why they would have suddenly evaporated. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that when you say the bar is "have a jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:21 AM
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Being sexually successful brings more security than an LTR does. Any woman can find another man at any time. If a man knows he is not usually successful with women then he has to deal with the fact that his partner can leave him at any time for someone better and it's going to be difficult to replace her. The woman effectively holds all the power in such a relationship, the relationship exists under her terms, compromises are going to be skewed in her direction. The man is going to have a hard t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:03 AM
0

Idk if it's inevitable, but you do have to walk on egg shells if you're going to be specifically advocating for men. Women are trained to think that men are all part of some brotherhood that's oppressing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:46 PM
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If a woman is attracted to you any approach is appropriate. If a woman is not attracted to you, every approach is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:34 PM
1

I truly don’t think women enjoy promiscuous men as much as men think. They can only be promiscuous because women enjoy them. There's no way for a man to be promiscuous without being someone women like. we just know we don’t have the right to DEHUMANIZE them because of their actions. Maybe this is how YOU feel. A sizable number of women love them regardless, hence the high N-count. If given the choice, most women would pick a less promiscuous man because we think you won’t cheat and actually valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 10:20 PM
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Men like variety, the only 2 things stopping men from cheating are: Opportunity Risk of losing their relationship if found out. The more desirable you are the more opportunities you get and the less likely it is your partner is going to leave you for cheating. Thus, more desirable men are more likely to cheat, but most men will if they think they can get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:43 PM
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25 or 23? I actually have a little sympathy for guys just out of college, taking a year to find employment straight out of college seems to be pretty common. Apart from those cases the only time I know young men to go unemployed for significant amounts of time is when it's a situation that goes on for generations. Cycles of poverty and unemployment that haven't been broken. I'd believe you told me that there are people with affluent parents who can afford to have them just sitting around, but I …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:33 PM
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I don't get why this obvious phenomenon keeps getting debated. A guy who's had the ability to be promiscuous in the past is going to be able to get whatever he wants. He's already proven to be popular with women. It doesn't matter if it's unfair, that's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 03:58 PM
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Women on here talk about sex like it's a punishment half the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 03:49 PM
2

Why get married then? The whole point is that it's supposed to be permanent. If you want to dip in 10 years then don't get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 01:09 PM
1

instead of taking ownership of their life, they waste time blaming their situation on their lack of status, height, looks, money, car etc... Are looks, status, money and car not the things they should be working on?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 12:40 PM
2

They don't understand it. They lack the perspective to realize how much they comparatively have to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 12:38 PM
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Where are they meeting men that don't have jobs? Unless they're on a college campus, then meeting men without jobs probably means that the social circles they're in aren't exactly filled with quality people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 12:21 PM
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I have enough female friends to know that talking shit about men is one of the top things they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 02:18 AM
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Does not sound like a high value man. Yet, women sleep with him. Whichever women are sleeping with him. If there was nothing women liked about him, then he couldn't have a high N-count. If his only qualities are drug use and infidelity, then those women find drug use and infidelity to be attractive qualities. Though more likely he is attractive/charismatic/rich/something. Something that attracts women. The man that is able to attract women sounds higher value to me than the man who is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 02:15 AM
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N-count comparisons between men and women is apples to oranges. No matter how you want to spin it, a man having a high N-count indicates something positive about him, for whatever reason a lot of women want to have him as a partner. It's a good thing. It's not the same for women, any woman can get a N-count as high as she wants. Having a high N-count as a woman just signals low standards, there's no reason to praise it, it doesn't indicate anything positive at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 06:45 PM
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Do u think all women have sleepovers, eat ice cream and tell each other "you go girl" and talk shit about men 24/7? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 06:37 PM
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She added emotional connection and shared goals. Physical attraction and stability are the same "tall, handsome, rich, big dick" thing you said, she just says it in a nicer way. I don't think there's really much disagreement in what you're saying, just on how you're saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 04:29 PM
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He wouldn't be a very good guy if he wanted to interfere with your budding relationship. The fact that you'd even bring it up to him is going to sound like you're hinting that you aren't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 08:45 PM
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My friends told me to see if he really likes me to consider talking about other men with him. So I did, I told him I was talking to another guy I found super cute and he seemed unbothered and even told me to go for it….not at all jealous What do you want him to do, get mad? You told him you're interested in somebody else and he doesn't own you, what other reasonable response can he have ?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 06:47 PM
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Respect, authority, politically Powerful men have these things, not average men. competence Agreed, men are more competent than women. occupational/educational advancement, personal safety, Women, especially young women, outperform men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:45 PM
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This isn't even 100% true, and I don't think it's relevant to whether or not you're single during college.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:40 PM
1

. I just don't see why you're trying so hard to convince me that I am somehow desperate. I never said you were desperate. I said that there's no reason you would be desperate, because regardless of how you were raised, a partner was in arms reach if you wanted one. Given you are in that position it doesn't make sense for you to be desperate. But it's easy to say that you're happy being alone when you know you can stop being alone whenever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:39 PM
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It isn't, but most people don't seriously start considering their future until after they've finished school, so they aren't always marriage minded. Part of the reason is that we treat college aged people much like children (especially when they are still students), so they continue to think and act much like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:26 AM
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Alright maybe, I don't know for a fact that this isn't the case. However what I'm trying to say is it's very difficult for you to know that either. You've never been desperate for a partner, but it's also unlikely you'd ever been faced with a reason to be desperate, if you ever wanted a partner you could get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:21 AM
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I mean I don't think men who struggled in their 20s are gonna stop struggling in their 30s. Just that the 30s are better for some men because it simply can't be worse. There's no result worse than 0, and some men get 0 in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:15 AM
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I have to second this, difficulty in dating for women a lot of the time comes from being too passive. If you don't approach the people you like, then you'll have no choice but to settle for the people who approach you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:00 PM
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They were studying till 22 - 23 in a lot of cases. In some ways mid 20s they've only been what we all consider adults for a year or 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:55 PM
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I agree that, based on what they say, women don't really understand dating from a man's perspective, but I can only see that because I'm a man. I think it's a little unfair to assume that as a man you understand a woman's perspective, given that you clearly see that the inverse is not true. I think it's pretty arrogant to disregard women's opinions entirely, just accept that you'll need to take them with a grain of salt, which you probably should be doing with any advice received over the intern…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:48 PM
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Because a majority of my options were shitty. Sure, but the fact that you always had more options is going to put you in a very different mental state. There's always another suitor around the corner. The fact that you will always find more men is going to affect your bar for "shitty".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:14 PM
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Some men are going to peak in their 30s. Money absolutely matters in attracting women and men in their 30s have more money. A man who couldn't find any success with women in their 20s is likely to see more success in his 30s because: He probably has more money The women his age are in a different stage of life where his qualities may appear more appealing (yes AF/BB, but I do believe that it's an unavoidable consequence of maturing) Older women are somewhat less desirable, so he'll have somewhat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:27 AM
1

It's abundance, it's easy to say you'd rather be alone, you're in no danger of being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:03 AM
1

i guess the only way for men to date is to lie and say you have been in a relationship before? When a woman is attracted to you she assumes other women are. Just allow her to run with her assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 03:59 PM
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Date a lot, and if I meet anyone I click with then lock them down
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:56 AM
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Obviously, who still showers with their parents after 18?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:54 AM
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It's almost like men are the ones who take away the rights of other men. Y'all really need to stop recycling memorized talking points and start using your brains . The powerful control the lives of the powerless. It has nothing to do with whether or not the powerful people are men. There's no council of men that gets together and makes decisions. What is the point of saying this apart from doing your best impression of a parrot?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:26 PM
1

They're just not spending their money on enough flashy stuff. If you're not driving an expensive car or something nobody is gonna know you have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 01:42 AM
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Not in my experience. Most women aren't giving you any extended amount of time to get to know them. You've got days, if that, to get them interested. After that they're done talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 01:29 AM
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Unless you're dealing with some exceptionally high numbers I can't see most men caring. Or at least not caring enough to reject women based on that alone. Men just aren't picky enough as a whole for this to be a roadblock. A woman can always get somebody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 10:34 PM
1

Women definitely feel embarrassed about it if it's high, all the same I don't know if it actually hinders their relationship prospects
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 10:26 PM
1

What's the use of having sex with a man who wants to hit it and quit it? Because you want to have sex with him because you're attracted to him. That's what happens now, women aren't waiting to have sex with the people they are attracted to, this that's how relationships start.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 07:39 PM
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Like I said, in my experience if you're not having sex fast, you're never having sex. What's the use of getting attached to the idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 07:31 PM
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Some women will discourage you if they know they aren't interested. Others will actively encourage you to keep pursuing if you provide enough utility. Either way it doesn't make sense to waste too much time and energy on a woman if you're not getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 07:24 PM
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Of course you don't, you're a woman. Plenty of men would sleep with you knowing damn well they don't want a relationship with you. Men have the opposite problem, plenty of women will allow you to keep wasting your energy on them when they know they'll never sleep with you, effectively wasting your time while sleeping with who they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 07:20 PM
2

Then you know that it sucks. Getting curved quickly hurts a lot less than getting curved after a lot of investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 07:11 PM
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That will be contingent on each woman. Sure, but we generalize because we can't call out every specific case. If you've ever had the experience of trying to build a relationship with a woman over any significant amount of time only for her to drop you for a guy she just met, then you wouldn't be very keen on taking it slow either. So far I've never been with a woman where we weren't physical on the first date. If it takes longer than that then she's just not interested. But, that's my experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 07:06 PM
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The problem with taking it slow is that the other men interested in her aren't going to be taking it slow. Someone is going to beat you to the punch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 06:34 PM
1

Wasn't sabotaging anything, she didn't find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 12:24 PM
1

Staying single, yes. Open relationships no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 12:24 PM
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The idea of breaking up becomes more and more awful the longer I'm with someone. Breaking up gets harder the longer you're with someone, I agree, but that's because the longer you've been together the more investment and comfort you're sacrificing. Having sex with someone new is always more exciting even if I don't like them as much as I did previous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 06:58 AM
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Did you love your girlfriend? I thought I did, I didn't. Was the relationship spark gone? A new woman is always going to be more exciting than one you already have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 06:49 AM
1

I met up with an old friend and we had a lot of fun talking. I could feel the energy and I knew my girlfriend would never find out so I went for it and it happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 06:40 AM
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Nobody rationalizes like this in real life. I've had a couple women who initially rejected me who gave me a chance when I re-shot my shot a couple years later. I never saw them as having lowered in value, we're just both at different places than we were at when I initially approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 06:33 AM
1

A popular term for that is negging.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 12:49 AM
2

There are a lot of relationships where both parties are generally just head over heels for each other and the absolute looks and utility of the man doesn't matter to the woman. But honestly, at least in my experience, it's the lucky few that have relationships like this, but people like to pretend that this is how most relationships are. However in my experience, women really just get with the richest, best looking, highest status man they can. When I think about the most attractive women I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 12:19 AM
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If you're really good looking and socially savvy, you may not be able to find someone you're thrilled about, but you should be able to find someone. Men are more interested in women than vice versa. A man has to offer more to a woman than she has to offer to him just because he generally wants it more than she does. It has nothing to do with ego, it's just reality, there's a higher demand for women than for men. Men have to accept that most of us have to date down, at least a little bit. A woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 12:01 AM
2

What makes Daenerys' chapters so great is that they give you real insight into how hellish a teenage girl's mind is. Wait till Daario is introduced, she gets so down bad that those chapters may as well have been an essay on the concept of second hand embarrassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:47 PM
1

Every man I know pays for dates yet I keep hearing women say that men don't pay for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:40 PM
2

Even then, we have some foods that are so calorie dense that you reach you calorie goals while barely eating anything. What I noticed about people who are underweight is that they either barely touch their food when they eat or just straight up forget to eat. I know what it's like to not have much of an appetite sometimes, but I've never in my life forgotten to eat, it's so foreign to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:20 PM
2

You know I really don't understand how people have trouble gaining weight. I have a friend who's struggling to gain 2 pounds and I just don't understand why it's difficult, I can have my weight fluctuate up by 2 pounds overnight literally whenever I want. Like just go to any restaurant and order a full breakfast, lunch and dinner it'll net you 3k - 4.5k calories easy .
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:09 PM
2

My peers also sucked with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 09:58 PM
5

My friend's girlfriends compliment me all the time. I guess it's because they know me well enough to know I'm not gonna take it as interest. I remember what it's like to go years without compliments though. I still remember when a girl said I smelled good in 8th grade.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:29 PM
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I had a guy telling me here that a girl grinding on his crotch in her bedroom was not an invitation to make a move. This is context dependent ngl. If this is at a club or party it is definitely not an easy invitation to anything. In her bedroom though? That guy was trying to maintain his virginity. But if you tell a dude that you like his shoes, he won’t leave you alone for 3 years. People like people who make them fool good. When "I like your shoes" is the nicest thing a woman has said to you i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:32 PM
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This is true, but it's a cycle. Women compliment men so rarely that a compliment from a woman is going to be interpreted as sexual interest. Thus women don't compliment men, thus men interpret every compliment as sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:25 PM
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If only 21% of couples met online, then the absolute majority met in real life scenarios. Yes, but only because you're choosing to frame it as online vs. offline instead of the way it was framed. Being friendly and sociable in their daily lives is what gets most people into relationships. If you're looking for a partner dating apps are good avenue. I'm sure you know tonnes of couples who met through school, I'm sure you wouldn't tell them not to try meeting people through school because the majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:14 PM
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I understand what you're saying, but offline was split into 3 categories, and you decided to combine them into one to make the argument stronger. If you become friends with someone at school and they introduce you to their sister, that’s meeting someone through school, Dating apps and school are neck and neck according to this data. Your energy is just as well using dating apps as it is being social at school in terms of success rates, so why encourage one and disregard the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 02:52 PM
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With you on this one chief. A man has to learn somewhere and women generally are going to provide zero feedback unless you're hurting them. They'll make pleasure noises and whatever, but a lot of the time they do that just because they know men like to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:37 PM
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Despite the growing usage of dating apps, only 21% partnered adults ages 18 to 29 say they met their partner online. 31% met through friends and family, 13% through work, and 25% through school. Given that the majority of couples are meeting through their real life connections What's unfair about what you're doing is that you listed 4 avenues of meeting a partner and then combined 3 of them into 1 and compared it to dating apps. Couples meet through dating apps just as commonly as they do anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:22 PM
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When you were in college you were around women all the time, it would be amazing if you were somehow getting more sex now that you have less access to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 07:43 AM
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I'll give it a try, should have gotten started over the summer. But it's a marathon they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 06:10 PM
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Yeah as a teenager girls could be absolutely brutal. Women are nowhere near as viscous in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:29 AM
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When I'm actually on the ball? Egg Whites and bacon Super sugary protein bar from Gatorade (300g - 400g) chicken breast with broccoli in sesame oil Whey protein and milk. Comes out to around 1900 calories, I know I could cut out the candy and eat more chicken for volume, but the day just don't feel right without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:07 PM
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If you have an n-count of 10 by 30 you may have had a few relationships, but most of them were definitely more like "relationships", if you know what I mean. Definitely count more as casual sex in my opinion. But I guess "whore" is a bit of an extreme descriptor for someone averaging 1 partner a year, at the same time, this person wasn't actually looking for a commitment either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 09:58 PM
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N=10 isn't necessarily a manwhore. That's not a hard number to hit without any casual sex. Depends who you ask. Took that 10 from a woman who replied to me saying 10 was her cutoff. 10 sounds pretty high to me though. If you have had 10 partners and no casual sex, I would wonder why you're still single. If you've had 10 relationships and you're still on the market that doesn't sound like you're very serious about those relationships. I guess it depends on how you're defining casual sex also. To …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 09:44 PM
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You can build a decent physique with a consistent program. Sure it takes time, but the time will pass anyway. Yeah, but it's hard though. Lifting is awesome when I'm eating as much as I want, but it absolutely sucks when I'm trying to lose weight. I don't know how the body builder types do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 09:09 PM
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. A man who wants a low n wife reduces his value by being being a manwhore. He's just starting at a decent baseline. This may be true on extremes, but I don't know how true it is generally. Women do like men that other women like. I honestly think most men's perceived value would increase with n-count rather than decrease. There are limits of course, but I don't know that a low-n woman would really have a problem with a man with an n-count of say 10, depending on his age and level of attractiven…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:57 PM
1

That's not how it works, sweetie. Most manwhores (in case if they are between 20-35) are attractive, but that's not due to the fact that they are manwhores. These men would still be attractive whether they were whores or not, it's just that they are either charismatic or are very beautiful or both. Right, so nobody is "settling" for a manwhore, manwhores are the top picks. Simple: There's people who got different values about things without necessarily believing in God or something like that. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:10 PM
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And manwhores are generally attractive, but not as a result of being manwhores. It's the other way around: they're manwhores because they're attractive. Agreed, but if you're asking why a woman would "settle" for a manwhore then this alone is a very good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 07:59 PM
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Promiscuity in men is also strongly associated with men later cheating. Why should she settle for a manwhore? Because women find manwhores attractive, otherwise they wouldn't be manwhores. If you want a virgin, you have to be worth her virginity. If she's stayed a virgin, she assigns some value to it. Or she has low libido. There's 0 stigma against having multiple sexual partners, so apart from religion I don't know where this value would come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:03 PM
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If you suspect then, if you want to get super technical. Honestly if a man is interested in a woman and she has no idea, that doesn't sound to me like they are very close friends at all. And if they aren't close friends I don't know where the feeling of betrayal comes from if the man no longer wants to associate with her. More likely scenario in my mind is that they are friends, she knows he is interested in her, he's too much of a coward to either pull the trigger or walk away, she's too comfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 05:55 PM
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I said "if you know", which is the premise this thread started with. But I see you'd rather ignore that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 05:10 PM
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If you know they're interested in you and you don't address it I don't think you're being a very good friend either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:49 PM
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This conversation was useless because nobody is working with a definition of love. There's a lot of "this isn't love" and "that isn't love", but what is love?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:55 AM
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If I could have anyone I wanted then I'd take the monogamy. Otherwise I'll go with the endless supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:53 PM
2

If not for socially enforced monogamy, you'd be seeing a lot more harems and a lot more single men. There are definitely some benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:47 PM
1

So if someone didn't have any food they'd probably do something extreme like "eating a hotdog off the ground" for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 08:39 PM
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Is bad food worse than none at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 08:37 PM
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Any woman can go out on any given night and find someone to have sex with them, all they have to do is make it easy. The same is not true for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 05:31 PM
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There are men who have girls lining up for them and there are women who actually don’t really have any good other options, how does that have to do with gender? Women can sleep with pretty much sleep with whoever they want. Everything has exceptions, but as a general case the woman could cheat more easily. I know a guy who just got married, is the most popular man on the work floor, but he’s only into his wife. I think it says enough that he is loyal. Again an exception, that only works for him …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:39 PM
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You're missing the point. It's easy to be faithful when you don't have the option to cheat. A man not cheating doesn't tell you he's faithful, in all likelihood women aren't beating down his door anyway. You can't really use whether or not a man has slept with another woman as a yard stick for their loyalty, because the typical man isn't really drowning in opportunities to cheat. A woman who doesn't sleep with anyone else is loyal, a man who isn't sleeping with anyone else is just not sleeping w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:25 PM
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You can disagree with his conclusion, but his logic sounds reasonable to me . A man being faithful isn't necessarily a sign of loyalty, there's no guarantee the man could cheat even if he wanted to. A woman could with 100% certainty cheat whenever she wants. A woman being faithful says more than a man being faithful. Also a man will sleep with a woman just because she lets him. A woman only sleeps with a man if she sees something of value in him (probably something she doesn't see in her partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:52 PM
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I think it's life in general. Love for me seems like a thing that kids talk about, life as an adult is too pragmatic for me to believe adults are actually in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:44 PM
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A lot of low-income kids and families simply don't care enough to prioritize education. That's not a fair assessment. Educated parents with higher incomes are going to have a better understanding of the importance of education and more money to invest in it. It's hard to focus on your studies when you have to worry about what you're going to eat tomorrow. You can't just disappear for 4 years to go to college when your family is depending on you for an income. While I think the effects of poverty…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:24 AM
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It's just that women are harder to replace... It takes longer for a man because it's harder for a man to court someone new. For a woman there was likely already another man waiting hoping you'd break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:44 AM
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And Andrew Tate like men say that men can cheat and have multiple women, but the other way around is a no. How exactly is that logical? Have you heard his reasoning? Cause it makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 09:11 PM
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Putting it into perspective, around the time Red Pill started taking off roughly 2 decades ago, all sort of mainstream dating/feminist/romance blogs were filled with advice telling men that being a nice and decent person who admired women was sufficient enough to be considered a good catch in the dating world. I swore I was the only person who remembered this. Now it's "well obviously you also need to be attractive" when a few years back the popular advice all said women didn't care at all. Even…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 09:08 PM
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I wouldn't try to guess at numbers, but I imagine women would find it very difficult to pin down a man for a relationship, at least with men's mentalities as they are now. As a matter of fact, if there was a woman that I had a good relationship with in this scenario, I don't think I'd risk my relationship with them by pushing for sexual relationship. If I can get my sexual needs met elsewhere while maintaining the friendship, then I'd just stay friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 07:02 PM
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You were still fucking them and they complained? I am filled with doubt. Sounds more likely that they're just trying to not lose access to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 10:09 PM
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How I look at it, as a simpleton, try and pull the conversation towards sex and try to get physical. If she's taking too long to agree to physicality then she'll never be interested and you can just stop talking to her if you're not interested in the relationship otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:24 PM
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Reject a woman...step back, and watch the fireworks! It's because it happens less, to be fair. The first rejection hurts more than the 8th and women don't approach often enough to get used to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:06 PM
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Women don't really want to be in the workforce, most of them somewhere in the back of their minds are hoping that some rich man is going to take care of them just because they're special.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:48 PM
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A woman can do it because she's a woman, Leo can do it because he's Leo there's a difference. Nobody hands women praise for sleeping around because any woman can do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:43 PM
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