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Right wing politics do thrive okay hatred though. That doesn’t mean that right wing people are more hateful necessarily, but left wing politics rely on solidarity and cooperation where right wing politics just… don’t.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/22 10:31 AM
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I think that’s one of a few factors, yes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 08:52 PM
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I came into male advocacy starting from the general Gen Z position you’re describing so I’d imagine others do too
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 09:17 AM
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It’s gonna depend on who, but there are definitely some who would
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 05:44 PM
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Totally, that’s not the responsibility of a romantic partner though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 12:21 PM
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I mean, the term they use isn’t gendered
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 12:20 PM
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Traditionally feminist policies, messaging, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/21 05:35 AM
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I’m not referring to some sub-ideology or anything, just talking about feminists who want reform
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/21 05:23 AM
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A lot of feminists do want to reform the Deluth model, it receives a lot of criticism from within feminism; issue is that reformist feminists are generally not the feminists that have power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/21 02:59 AM
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You listed changed that could be made to the model, that is not the issue. Coming up with potential solutions is much easier than actually getting them implemented. And all movements that are ostensibly about equality have people who participate purely for self-interest, that’s not unique to feminism. Of course feminists font have a hard time making that decision, however the people who get power tend to be those who are more power hungry, and they’re less likely to agree to reform a status quo …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/21 01:00 AM
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First off, it’s only been a part of at least US policy since 2006 but second off reform is really hard to get implemented. The feminist movement is very divided on a variety of issues, the Duluth Model is just one of many of these.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/21 06:38 PM
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There is a lot of opposition to the Duluth model within the feminist movement, the first time I’d heard of it was from a feminist critique of it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/21 04:46 PM
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Well it might be true of the feminists in your life, but it’s definitely not true of feminists as a whole. There’s lots of shorty feminists out there, it there’re lots of pretty rad ones too
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/21 06:57 AM
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From my experience with feminists, that’s not the case as often as you might think.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/21 05:09 AM
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Feminists aren’t a monolith. The ones who want to let men solve their own issues generally leave men alone to do that with maybe the occasional supportive message though so we see comments from the ones who think they know better more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/21 05:54 PM
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Feminism is a movement, I’m not talking about some theory with ideology I’m talking about the people who would identify themselves as feminists in the real world (most of whom don’t read theory). Feminism in theory is about equality but in practice is mostly about women’s rights (not necessarily to the detriment of men, but not necessarily to their benefit either). Equality is the general goal but I don’t think a lot of feminists have enough of an idea about men’s issues to really know what that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/21 07:01 AM
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I didn’t say they aren’t feminists, I said that isn’t feminism. Many feminists are misandrists and many other feminists are men’s advocates, it goes both ways because feminism is agnostic on the issue of men’s rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 09:29 PM
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As I said, they tend to be more polarized. Most feminists I know would agree with points made here about the systemic issues that affect men—although they might take exception to the term “female privilege.” There are feminists on both sides of conflict around men’s issues and many tend to think that their views are universal or near universal in feminism when they’re really not. Feminists don’t overall side one way or the other, but generally anti-men positions are taken under the guise of femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 09:18 PM
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Most self-identified feminists I’ve interacted with are just people more conscious and critical of gender roles and systemic issues faced by women. In my experience they aren’t any more or less inclined to support men’s issues than other people are, their positions just tend to be more polarized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 07:47 PM
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I think it’s less about supporting men and more about opposing feminism. Too many feminists see feminism as near synonymous with supporting women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 05:37 PM
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I think we have to be very careful when going down that line of thought…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/21 09:24 AM
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Who said anything about “an epidemic?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/21 05:35 PM
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There are less trans people than there are in either of those groups
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/21 04:22 PM
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That’s not what’s being done here though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 08:27 AM
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You need to keep in mind just how severe the brainwashing a lot of these people have faced is. For a lot of leftists, trans rights feed into men’s rights. There are a lot of people who grew up in orthodox feminist environments saying men have it all that were only shown the hole in that worldview when seeing legal language that excludes trans people and realizing that it’s excluding men too. Are all of the intersectional feminists arguing for this on behalf of men? No, of course not, but are the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 07:12 PM
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Supporting that one policy does not make him egalitarian. He is against the draft for everyone because he knows he can get votes for being against the draft for everyone, it’s not a principled position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 07:02 PM
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The reasons behind it and the arguments for it are primarily because of trans people, yes, but the actual policy they are advocating for would be a huge benefit to men. That’s what I’m saying, it’s not that they focus on men’s rights, it’s that what they’re advocating for increases those rights—whether that is the intention or not, if we agree on the policy we should work together to get it done.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 07:57 AM
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Which elected Republicans do you think believe in equality? The overwhelming majority of Democrats don’t either—if any—but I can’t think of a single elected Republicans whose actions have gone anywhere close to suggesting they do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 07:41 AM
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There are plenty of Republican voters who believe in equality, there are no elected Republicans who do (at least on the national level).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 03:19 AM
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Someone posted this already in this thread but I’ll post it again: https://www.ocadsv.org/blog/post/advancing-gender-inclusive-services
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 03:09 AM
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I didn’t say trans women have it worse, I said trans women are the primary focus of attacks by TERFs. Both suffer a lot from this bullshit in some similar ways and in some different ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 03:08 AM
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Obviously TERFs treat trans men like shit and it’s despicable, I never said otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/21 10:57 PM
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Of course they aren’t singular coalitions, I’m simplifying though because intersectionalism and TERFism are fundamentally opposed because protecting trans people is one of the major focuses of intersectional feminism. Not sure what the fuck you’re talking about with the second part of your comment, trans men face a lot of discrimination from TERFs too but they focus on trans women primarily.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/21 09:18 PM
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They’re literally promoting men’s rights right now. The exact same policy suggested by others in this thread is already supported by intersectional feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/21 05:32 PM
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Intersectional feminism isn’t primarily about privilege though and even where it is the discussion of privilege is mostly limited to white privilege. “Male privilege” used to be a major component in feminist discourse but it is becoming barely used today. Even in discussions of white privilege though, the majority of people who partake in that discourse do so from the angle that white privilege is something white people should take advantage of to protect and assist black people rather than a si…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/21 11:04 AM
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How practical do you think that would be? There are enough trans victims of domestic violence certainly but they’re not geographically concentrated enough to make shelters specifically for trans people viable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/21 06:10 PM
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Feminism isn’t really one coalition anymore. Intersectional feminists and TERFS are diametrically opposed and TERFS stemmed from the most misandrist elements of the feminist movement (as well as some transphobes who were never feminists in the first place). TERFS have already formed coalitions with the far-right and blatantly anti-women movements because their primary focus is attacking trans people and trans women in particular. Intersectional feminists recognize that trans people face far more…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/21 06:06 PM
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A big part of that is gonna he based off where you live and what the cultural context is there. Most people around where I grew up identified themselves at least loosely as feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/21 03:22 PM
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People who post the most online maybe, but that hasn’t been my experience overall
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/21 02:40 AM
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I’ve heard feminists talk about the domestic violence one a sizable amount and also some about mental health and suicide rate stuff. There are a lot of feminists who are sympathetic to some of these issues, most feminists aren’t terminally online and have other positions besides just feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/21 04:05 PM
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They don’t give a shit about men’s rights—one way or the other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/21 06:51 PM
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That’s really fucked
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/21 01:23 AM
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I don’t think a woman can just put a child up for adoption if the father doesn’t want to??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/21 08:49 PM
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That’s not at all what I said. Radical language being used by non-radical people protects those radical people, but it doesn’t make the people misusing the language radical themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 11:01 PM
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Does it really matter what the reasons are? If rhetoric is mainstreamed into use to represent non-radical things, it ceases to be evidence of radicalism. I also would like to ask: this is a left wing subreddit, why are you using “radical left” in the way you are?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 12:50 PM
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Most people who say that stuff aren’t actually in favor of straight up revolution
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 12:28 PM
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If someone is “politically correct,” wouldn’t it be not radical by definition? Like, “smash the patriarchy” is a pretty mainstream feminist phrase (radical feminists use it too, of course, but so do very moderate mainstream ones). “Systemic racism” is sociological terminology that is also call pretty mainstream, definitely not radical at least by any means. Are these phrases used by radical leftists? Yeah, of course, but they’re also used by pretty moderate people with a vague liberal leaning an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 06:59 AM
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How is saying gender is a social construct a “radical left talking point?” It’s first semester anthropology and not really political.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 05:06 AM
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Their channel isn’t mostly focused on gender issues though. Anyone can call in, so there’d be better luck calling in and approaching it with an honest critique. I don’t think the caller did a very good job presenting his arguments and if someone came in with stronger arguments they would’ve been more receptive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 01:47 AM
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Sorry, are you calling Sam Seder of all people a “radical leftist?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 01:41 AM
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Have you studied Critical Race Theory? It seems to me like almost no one talking about it online, whether for or against it, knows what it actually is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 01:39 AM
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Did you ever watch Michael’s show? On Majority Report he was usually filling more of a comedy role but you could get a more fleshed out understanding of his politics on TMBS (The Michael Brooks Show).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 01:38 AM
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Sam definitely isn’t just about idpol, his show has a kind of range of more liberal and genuinely communist guests and takes but he himself is probably a social Democrat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 01:35 AM
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I mean, yeah, because I’m oversimplifying it for a Reddit reply rather than writing an essay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 09:33 AM
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I come from a fairly liberal part of the US and, while class is a focus amongst intersectional feminists I know, it definitely isn’t amongst the population at large. Is class as much of a focus as it should be? No, but at least they’re emphasizing it more than most other social groups around here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 09:31 AM
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A couple points: For one, intersectionality’s core argument is more than just that people can be oppressed in different ways, an important component is that those different forms of oppression can intersect in ways that cause oppression that is more than the sum of its parts. Second, class is an important part of intersectional feminism too, it would be a “super-rich capitalist elite cishet white male patriarchy.” I have some issues with patriarchal theory as a whole, but those are critiques of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 07:24 AM
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Do you really think that’s the biggest issue people have with those groups.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 02:05 AM
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Your experience with intersectional feminists seems to be very different from mine; at least from my experience, intersectionality acknowledges class as a whole with a focus on poor women as it is a branch of feminism but just because that’s its focus doesn’t mean it doesn’t acknowledge the wider issues. Like, intersectional feminists aren’t explicitly marxists or anything but there is significant overlap between followers of each.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 01:51 AM
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I am aware of the problems of mainline feminism, they specifically referenced “intersectionality theory” and I’m wondering what their critique is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 01:44 AM
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Intersectional feminism does account for class, class is actually one of the most important components of it. The liberal elite has co-opted much of the language with the class part left out, but class is essential to intersectional theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/21 08:42 PM
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What issue do you take with intersectional theory?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/21 08:40 PM
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I think misandry can definitely be a factor in homophobia and biphobia, just like misogyny can. Not only when it’s targeted against men though, I have seen some extremely biphobic lesbian TERFS who have similar feelings about bi women as the woman you were interested in who you had told you were bisexual to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/21 12:21 AM
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I have heard some people use “boys will be boys” to justify some pretty atrocious stuff, it’s not how the term is usually used but it does happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/21 12:13 AM
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It goes beyond that. You should have a therapist who is going to be able to relate to you. On average, men are more likely to relate more to other men with all else being equal. It’s not sexist to seek out someone who would better understand your experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/21 06:20 PM
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I’d note that the crying thing is purely social, most of history didn’t have that social pressure on men not to cry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/21 09:27 PM
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What are you talking about? Where did I ask you to do that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 06:26 AM
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The answer to all your questions is no. I do see misandry on the internet, I see a lot of it and it’s disgusting, did I say otherwise?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 05:42 AM
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It’s interesting that you’re responding to my replies to other people and not my replies to you. Are you going to answer my question or not? https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/npj1tz/male_privilege_theory_is_ironically_the_result_of/h05t9xb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 05:41 AM
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A few points: For one, while there is still some left to interpretation here, most of what’s left open seems to be whether something is “unwelcome,” would you agree with that? Are you suggesting that men in retrospect tell themselves something was unwanted actually was or are you saying men want those interactions more. If it’s the former, that’s an interesting point I’d be curious to see any data on if it’s available; if it’s the latter, I don’t see how that biased the data at all as something …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 05:18 AM
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Please elaborate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 05:06 AM
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Putting aside the “from reality,” as that is vague and doesn’t really mean much. Do you think social media interactions with a group or movement can give you a good and nuanced sense of what the majority of the members of that group or movement believe?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 05:05 AM
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That is completely irrelevant to my point. You suggested that I “view women as the eternal victims of male evil.” That is false. Do you wish to engage with my actual beliefs or make up ones to argue against?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 05:01 AM
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What women perceive isn’t the only factor here though. Sexual harassment studies, if they’re any good, are going to give specific examples of what they’re talking about rather than having the respondent use their own definitions. Here’s one such example: https://www.raliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Full-Report-2018-National-Study-on-Sexual-Harassment-and-Assault.pdf
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 04:54 AM
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When did I pin anything on men? I didn’t say anything about the perpetrators, did I?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 04:37 AM
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Obviously women are sexually harassed, where the fuck did you get the idea that I said otherwise from? More women suffer from sexual harassment than men do, that is a pretty clear statistical reality. Sexual harassment is a big problem across the board, regardless of who the victim is, but as more women suffer from it women, on average, have more cause to be worried about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 04:29 AM
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When did I say “nobody says that?” If you have any interest in productive discussion please don’t strawman me and respond to the contents of my arguments rather than those of someone else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 04:25 AM
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Did I say “feminists don’t do that?” No, I did not. Some feminists do, some don’t. When you said “feminists disagree with this,” where you intending to speak of feminists as a whole or even a majority of them or just saying that some do?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 04:10 AM
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Key words “the same way women do.” There are many men who are victims of sexual harassment, that doesn’t change the fact that men on average do not have to be as concerned about it as women do. Everyone has certain privileges others don’t, this isn’t a competition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 04:02 AM
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While I’m sure some feminists disagree, that’s not even remotely close to representative of the feminist movement as a whole. Intersectional feminism is very important to the feminist movement and even among non-intersectional feminists that belief is not gonna be very common. Where are you getting this assessment of feminists from?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 04:00 AM
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MensLib is the most I’ve really seen on Reddit, aside from the occasional thread on AskFeminists that usually has a couple misandrists arguing on it (who tend to get downvoted, but still). Most of the male advocacy from feminists I’ve encountered has been offline, but I see stuff on social media too from time to time, especially on International Men’s Day. In the larger feminist movement there’s a lot of men’s advocacy but the biggest issue it is centered around is gender roles, especially socia…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/21 08:05 PM
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It’s not about whether or not opposition to feminism is considered hate by feminists, it’s that feminists aren’t going to point someone asking for male advocacy to opposition to feminism, they’re gonna point them to the male advocacy they have within feminist circles. Now, MensLib isn’t particularly good male advocacy even by feminist standards, but I’m not familiar with any other feminist male advocacy communities on Reddit so that is where feminists point to. If you don’t want the feminist bra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/21 07:41 PM
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I am not arguing that the moderation team is even remotely good or virtuous, I’m arguing that it does generally care about men when it is complimentary to feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 06:37 PM
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I don’t necessarily agree that the intent behind it is the one you’re describing but I see how it might function in that role. I still think the intent behind it is in good faith, that at least a lot of the people involved are feminists who genuinely want to help men in their framework, but I do agree that a lot of its promotion in feminist subs is for the purpose you described (which makes it more like that as more people join).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 05:53 PM
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You are assuming they don’t genuinely care about men, that has not been shown. MensLib doesn’t claim to be in opposition to feminism as it is not. There is a lot of genuine care about men there, it’s just care about men shown in whatever ways are complimentary to feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 05:41 PM
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I guess I just mostly saw it as referred to on feminist subs where it is clearly stated as a feminist sub a lot of the time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 05:38 PM
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But they aren’t pretending that sub is an opposition to them. If you ask a feminist who represents men’s rights obviously they are going to point to the feminists that do that, that sub is the feminists that advocates for men and men’s rights, it may be insufficient but would you expect that feminists would point to non-feminist male advocates?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 05:37 PM
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You are speaking of an intersectional feminist framework—a very specific intersectional feminist framework, I might add, as many feminists do recognize that women have some privileges that men do not—not every intersectional framework. We can be intersectional without falling into those trappings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 05:31 PM
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I don’t think that’s a fair critique either, MensLib can’t be a controlled opposition as it doesn’t pretend to be opposition at all. MensLib is a feminist sub with a focus on men, that means it focuses both on what men can do for the cause of feminism and men’s issues and solutions to those issues as they fit into a feminist framework. Do you think the sub markets itself as anything that it’s not?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 09:30 AM
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In what way is it a hinderance to male advocacy? Men and women are both identity’s with privileges associated with them, are they not?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 09:25 AM
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Hard agree on this, I think this sub has a lot of constructive conversations but a lot of it suffers from the same shortfalls a lot of feminist discourse can. A more egalitarian and intersectional approach could be quite effective both for messaging/PR and more productive in actually producing change (to whatever limited extent a small Subreddit can)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 07:48 AM
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I don’t think that’s a fair characteristic of MensLib. Yes, they are a feminist sub first and foremost but they are genuinely interested in men’s issues, just men’s issues in a way that is complimentary to a feminist framework and notable from a feminist perspective. Men’s issues isn’t necessarily their focus, but there is definitely interest there and some productive discussion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 07:45 AM
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They advocate for more severe punishments when they believe them, but at least in the conservative media ecosystem victims are rarely taken seriously
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/21 11:27 PM
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They aren’t? Virtually every time I see these conversations conservatives will slut shame women. When women get sexually assaulted they often comment go the “she was asking for it” angle. The focus is on women for drawing the attention of the uncontrollable men. Feminism’s position is a direct response to that, which says the men can and must control themselves and the blame is on the men actually committing the act and not the victim for inciting it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/21 02:38 PM
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There is a very clear distinction from this and male feminist behavior, conservative rhetoric puts the responsibility for the men’s sexuality on women where as male feminists put it on men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/21 08:31 AM
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They demanded it for women’s independence. How things worked before might work fine if you had the right spouse, but in many cases it forced women into abusive relationships they had no way of leaving. Additionally, there’s a question of power. If women don’t have the means in a society to take care of themselves on their own by working, they have a lot less leverage in a relationship and thus have less influence in how things are going to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 04:39 PM
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Paid paternity leave is important for women’s wages as well, as women are often underpaid due to companies preferring a worker who they won’t have to give paid leave. If fathers also get paid parental leave, then that disparity is no longer there which helps close the wage gap.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 04:19 PM
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It’s not “bullshit semantics,” it’s an important distinction. Feminists might believe men are not the targets are sexism, but they would never thing it doesn’t affect men. The argument some feminists might make is that the negative affects of sexism against men are due to sexism against women (ie, men face face harmful effects of sexism for being thought to be more like women). I do not agree with this argument, but the argument is still very different from saying that sexism doesn’t affect men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 07:08 AM
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Saying “men can’t experience sexism” might, but the idea that “sexism doesn’t affect men” doesn’t. You changed the phrase to something with a different meaning (and again, please don’t use ableist insults, even if you censor them)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 05:02 AM
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Using the r-slur as an insult isn’t suddenly not ableist just because you censor it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 03:49 AM
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In your experience, maybe. I know a lot of feminist men and none of them partake in body shaming. Have there been any studies on this? Anecdotal evidence is insufficient but without any larger study that’s all I have to go on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/21 06:03 PM
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The idea that sexism doesn’t affect men doesn’t stem from feminism though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/21 05:40 PM
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This isn’t some stupid stereotype, this is how this has been in my own personal experience. Plenty of women do too, I’m not saying it’s not a problem, but the problem isn’t with feminism but with out culture as a whole.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/21 09:23 PM
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I mean, no I don’t think I would be. I’m part of those social circles, this isn’t just a few people this is most people I know who would consider themselves feminists. The majority of people I’ve encountered who talk like that are non-feminist men (which is worth emphasizing considering men make up the minority of people I’ve spent a lot of time around).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/21 07:14 PM
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Obviously women and feminists have flaws as everyone has flaws. But, at least in my life, I know almost no one who talks like that or if they do they do so extremely rarely and I grew up in a very heavily feminist cultural context. Your perception here seems to be based off social media, considering your honing in on a Tweet, which is always going to be extremely unrepresentative of how most people actually are. It takes a minuscule fraction of people for something to go viral on Twitter and the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/21 06:53 PM
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It actually stops.a lot of people who have gender dysphoria from transitioning. Most of my social circles are in the LGBTQ+ community and I know people who have wanted to transition but have doubted if they were “really trans/nonbinary” or if they just had internalized misandry and were trying to get away that. It’s really sad to see people denying themselves out of fear of that. There are a decent amount of trans people who delayed their transition because of that as well. For a lot of people, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/21 04:58 PM
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The people who started it probably legitimately wanted that but a large portion of the feminist membership didn’t.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/21 05:58 PM
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Except there is no Vatican of feminism, so your amplify falls short. Feminism features a myriad of different ideologies and beliefs that sometimes fight with visceral hatred. A movement is not an organization.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/21 02:55 AM
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A movement and an organization are pretty fundamentally different. Yes, there are many feminist organizations, and those organizations can be judged individually. Guilt by association is a fallacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 09:46 PM
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The Republican Party is an organization, feminism is not, that is a bad comparison. That’s like pointing to bad things done by The Republican Party and blaming that on republicanism, which is the basis for the governments of nearly every country in the world today, many of which do not do the atrocious things that The Republican Party do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 08:57 PM
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What are you talking about? We’re not talking about net advantage or disadvantage here; men have inherent societal advantages in some areas and inherent disadvantages in others…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 08:03 PM
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I disagree that patriarchal theory denies those disadvantages but I agree that it doesn’t really acknowledge them either and a framework that addresses all of it is better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 05:29 PM
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Fair enough, I just think that is a someone narrow view of feminism to equate the entire movement with one facet of it. I realize anecdotal evidence doesn’t prove much but at least in my life most of the people who have been most supportive of men’s advocacy are people who would call themselves feminists. Feminism today seems to be a weird coalition of legitimate equal rights activists and misandrists and while it’s important to acknowledge and criticize the misandrists I think it’s also importa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 08:58 AM
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It does say men have inherent advantages in life, but that does not mean there aren’t disadvantages either. Men have more power under Patriarchy, that is true, but that being a man under a patriarchy is an even remotely pleasant thing. Many of the disadvantages men have in our system, in child custody courts for example, are due to the traditional gender roles division of labor the patriarchy necessitates. I agree that the patriarchy is an overly simplistic analysis and with your more specific c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 08:43 AM
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What deranged feminists have you been talking to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 03:52 AM
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That is a fair argument, I guess I just disagree with your assessment of the implications of the patriarchy. While yes, some feminists definitely take the interpretation you describe, saying the patriarchy exists and saying all men are bad and oppressive are not the same thing. The patriarchy is a social system, both men and women do things that both reinforce and challenge it. The patriarchy is not men being bad, it is a system in which men disproportionately hold the positions of power. That d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 03:37 AM
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Calling all men trash isn’t feminism, neither is stopping male victims of sexual violence from coming forward. You are conflating the actions of some feminists with feminism itself. I’ve been gendered as male my whole life, I know what that experience is. Yeah, some feminists can be shitty. But—at least in my life—all the most supportive people of all the things we’re advocating for have been feminists. I’m sorry that you’ve had a bad experience with feminists and I’m sorry many others here have…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 02:17 AM
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Are you saying that gender equality is sexist pseudoscience? Because that’s the fundamental principle of feminism. What’s your opinion on women voting? That was feminism. What about the equal rights amendment? Are you in favor of that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 02:02 AM
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You are pointing to bad things done by feminists, not problems with feminism itself. Feminism encompasses a wide array of different ideologies and tactics, some of which run counter to those things you’re mentioning.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 01:44 AM
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Family courts is not because of feminism, where’d you get that from? The situation with family courts is due to traditional family roles, not feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/21 07:17 PM
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“Feminist’s needs” are a better world for men and women, along with everyone else. Which is more important to you, attacking feminists or helping men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/21 06:11 PM
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You are conflating misandry under the guise of feminism with feminism. Misandry and feminism are fundamentally incompatible, we have an issue today where a lot of misandrists have co-opted feminist language and infiltrated feminist movements. The problem is not feminism, feminism has a focus on women but is supportive of men too, the problem is misandrists who saw that feminism was the most effective movement in securing women’s rights and thus call themselves feminists, while not actually belie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/21 05:32 PM
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Feminism is a women’s activism movement, it’s going to be focused disproportionately on women, but feminists are still the strongest men’s advocates in the public sphere. The push for paid paternal leave, for example, is one almost entirely made by feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/21 03:47 PM
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That’s largely because the term “MRA” was co-opted by extreme reactionaries who have wildly different goals than we do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/21 03:31 PM
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Trying to “shit that nonsense down” by using a logical fallacy is dishonest. If it’s really nonsense, you can shut it down without resorting to that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/21 06:51 PM
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Guilt by association is a fallacy; argue against the ideas themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/21 05:42 PM
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That’s simply not true. Patriarchy is a system of control that men hold over women in the social hierarchy. It does not necessarily argue men are better off, simply that men are in a position of greater power. It says nothing about what men generally care about, some feminists might think that but that is not an inherent part of that theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/21 04:06 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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