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Let’s say only 1/100 women as you say are attracted to shorter men. The problem is more than 1/100 men are short. Much more. I never said that though. I said is that you could get to the point where 1/100 women find you attractive through looksmaxxing and self improvement. I was just explaining that it's a numbers game. You'll likely never have nearly as many options as a Chad. But you can increase the number of women that would hypothetically be attracted to your by getting your life, looks and…
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 04:54 AM
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You can be fit, muscular, kind, caring, etc. but if you are a below average height and don’t have the face of Tom Cruise most women can’t develop sexual attraction towards you. This is an over exaggeration. Sure you'll never have nearly as many options as a 6'2 Chad. But you can definitely improve your pool of options. Let's say a particular Chad able to attract 10 percent of the women by default and you're only able to attract 0.01 percent of women. Chad doesn't need all those women. Only 1/10 …
/r/AllPillDebate09/08/23 07:56 PM
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You want people to debate with you, over your obsession of tall white women...?
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 10:30 PM
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I feel like a lot of average men need to know this. If they're sub 5/10. They they need to get their credentials up, so that they can get their income up so that they can get their looks up. Once they do that. This advice will be more useful.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 03:44 AM
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I would genuinely be happy with a curvy 4/10 with a good, compatible personality. Not all, but lot of men on here have standards way too high and personally I don't think that's a good thing. Especially when they don't have as many options to begin with. Their standards rely too much on solely conventional beauty whereas my sense of attraction is more balanced between some aspects of conventional beauty and my own personal preferences.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 03:04 AM
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I don't know for sure but I can make an educated assumtion based on common sense. The same way I can see a rich 70 year old man dating a young 9/10 woman. And assume she probably isn't only dating him for his personality.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 12:25 AM
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That's a good point. Woman want someone to look up to whether they outwardly admit it or not. Them perceiving you as roughly on their level just isn't enough unless you're both well above average to begin with.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 12:21 AM
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I understand the sentiment. I still have a solid grasp of conventional beauty but honestly I would probably get the same dopamine hit from a slim thick/curvy 4/10 than many men would get from a 7/10+. Sure they're conventionally hot, but they don't exist within my realm of reality. And even if the opportunity for a 7/10+ presented itself, I would be wary of the situation because even if I was making well above average income. She'll likely still be pretentious. I would be walking on egg shells c…
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 12:18 AM
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It's not only about number of options. If she thinks you're one of her most ideal options you'll get treated differently. Especially if she thinks she can potentially get commitment out of you.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 12:07 AM
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And for every truly ordinary guy(not high tier normies) you see with a cute girl, there's multiple times more that are with unattractive women or lonely and single. You also don't know the relationship dynamics. Just because you see am average guy with a cute woman doesn't mean everything is daises and sunshine. Often times there's a power imbalance in those relationships because the woman knows that she has options to fall back on when the man probably doesn't. Many women date average men becau…
/r/AllPillDebate30/07/23 10:49 PM
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I'm in a similar situation. I would definitely be happy with a 4/10 but all I can really get are 3/10 and below that literally do not care about about improving themselves. I was talking to a morbidly obese woman not long ago that I genuinely didn't really find physically attractive but even she gets a lot of matches and was super pretentious. She started telling me about the races of men she would never date for some reason. Based on stereotypes mind you. And she also just came off as pretentio…
/r/AllPillDebate30/07/23 10:41 PM
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Even as a semi-blackpill. Telling any man below 6ft to give up on dating is ridiculous. Only 14.5 percent of men in the US alone are 6 feet tall. Lose body fat, get cosmetic surgery if needed and put on some height insoles. I know men are finicky about insoles but realistically. 99.9 percent of people you come across in public will never see you without shoes. And women generally just care about how they're perceived by others. If her friends think you're at least close to average height. And sh…
/r/AllPillDebate30/07/23 04:01 AM
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The most optimized pill would be a mix between red and black. Black pill believes looks are most important. Which is often very true to an extent. The lookmaxxing subset of blackpillers are typically far better at facial analysis that redpillers. And because they're open to pursuing more "extreme" options such as surgery. Their potential for improvement in that avenue is much higher than your run of the mill red piller. Red pillers on the other hand focus on other avenues of self improvement. Th…
/r/AllPillDebate30/07/23 03:16 AM
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women being much more likely to message someone they find less attractive than men. Women generally find a majority of men to be "less attractive" to begin with, so this isn't saying much. Men find a far greater proportion of women to be attractive than women do men. Generally speaking. Not to mention a lot of women use dating apps partially for validation or to kill time. The may exchange a few messages with guys she knows she'll never actually date then ghost them as she gets distracted by her…
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 02:15 AM
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Women preferring tall guys is like men preferring large breasts. That's a weak comparison. Sure it shows both men and women have physical preferences. But a majority of men typically aren't weeding out potential partners based on breast size.
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 02:11 AM
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This isn't true. A majority of women are only attracted to a minority of men. Often times average men struggle to find partners too. And when they do. It's often undesirable women in not only appearance but also personality. Even slightly below average women get far more options in terms of dating. If they have a good personality even better. However if you're a 5/10 in looks and personality as a man. You're mostly only getting attention from 3/10 women in looks and personality.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 08:28 PM
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Is it truly blackpill if they’re trying to improve in any way? Are you still blackpilled if you decide to pursue a relationship with a woman or spend time with them? Being black pilled doesn't inherently make you an toxic doomer. The same way not all red pillers are part of mgtow. Black pillers generally believe that looks are most important. If you aren't born genetically above average you're already at a major disadvantage as a man due to the halo effect. This applies too women as men but more…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 07:54 PM
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Pilled men often express pure hatred towards women with any sexual history. You're thinking about a vocal subset. Yes there are many men like that. But thats regardless of being red pilled or black pilled. For a lot of men, pilled or not. Unless you have an absolutely astromical body count they'll still settle. They don't have the freedom to be very picky with their preferences unless they want to stay single. It's not a plus to them by any means but not every man is Andrew Tate.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:39 PM
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willing to put their lives on stake to un-pill a bunch of strangers. You're not unpilling anyone nor would you be dating strangers. You would simply be partnering with more than one man. The problem is that the few women without inflated standards are snatched up into relationships very quickly. If those women were to each accept multiple men into their lives. That could slightly alleviate the issue many men are currently facing. I really doubt that most men, even blackpilled men, would be okay …
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:17 PM
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Going by the username you're trolling.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 03:38 PM
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To be fair. Many women do end up dating redpilled/black pilled guys. They just don't know it. Being black pilled isn't a personality. It's simply a higher level of awareness and many men don't bring it up because all many women think when they hear terms like black pill, red pill, etc are woman haters. That is, if they've heard of those terms to begin with because they live in a completely different world. All we need to do is raise awareness. We don't necessarily need to use labels.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 02:54 PM
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Many wouldn't consider it sacrifice if we go about it correctly. If change the social narrative and make it do that women are perceived as being progressive for accepting multiple partners. Eventually we'll have more women open to the idea.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 02:47 PM
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Not really. I never implied men should date people they aren't attracted to. I simply suggested than we would benifet if the women who cared would begin taking on multiple partners. A lot of men would be happier with this than they would be in their current situation. Many wouldn't. But very many would.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 02:03 PM
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one should be forced to date anyone. Who mentioned anything about force? This is about raising awareness and letting women know what they could do to help. It's no different that running commercial ads to raise donations to help save animals or feed the hungry.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 02:00 PM
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You have the power in the relationship. Stand up for yourself. It'll be hard for him to accept at first, but if he loves you and doesn't want to end up perpetually single and on this forum. He may eventually become more open minded to the idea. After all. All you're doing is giving opportunity to the less fortunate.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 01:58 PM
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Have they stopped hating/resenting women or are they only with a woman for their sexual needs? Being blackpilled doesn't men you hate women. That's correlation not causation. All the pills really are, are levels of enlightenment. That comes with some bitter truths and many black pilled men become bitter because of it while others attempt to navigate the obstacles.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 01:53 PM
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I replied to someone else who disagreed with me a bit ago. As opposed to me copying and pasting. You can take a look if you like.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 12:51 PM
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I think you're attributing a lot of traits to black pillers as a whole. Yes, many black pillers are toxic like that but that's more so correlation than causation. For example. Many come to realize that generally looks are most important and that there's a halo effect in our society. If you're a man and aren't genetically above average in attractiveness. You'll have to heavily compensate unlike normal women or the upper percentage of men. Some men realize this and pursue self improvement and look…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 12:49 PM
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I just replied to someone else that replied to me with something similar. Feel free to read it if you like.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 12:39 PM
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That's not the point. What's toxic is that he's targeting large demographic of people and attributing very specific attributes to them as a whole as a justification. You can tell he's saying it out of pure resentment and sexism rather than solely having the desire to look out for himself. If it was just a matter of him looking out for himself it wouldn't matter if it was a woman, man or young person. He literally just resents women. Imagine if he switched the term women for African Americans, th…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 12:17 PM
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Some women enjoy "normal" men because they have the power in the relationship. If a moderately pretty and often even average looking women can easily get an average looking man, with a respectable job and income wrapped around her finger. If she has multiple men. That's more more men to spoil and care for her. The issue of lonely men isn't just regarding significantly unattractive men. If the women who settled for average looking men open themselves up to more than one average man. At least part…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 06:52 AM
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Even as a black piller, this is absolutely toxic that you would post something like this. Sure. A vast majority of women wouldn't date you but beyond that women are generally vwry different. Just like men. Most normal men would look down for you for posting this as well. A vast majority of women don't hate you or view you as disposable. They just wouldn't be interested in you, but you've spun that way out of proportion. Especially with you specifically mentioning women. Many men would look down …
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 06:42 AM
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You don't want to be on the wrong side of history my friend. People are dismissive of the issues men face now... but the people who push for social justice and change will be placed in the history books.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 06:14 AM
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I never implied most weren't. But we must empower the ones who currently would secretly be open to it. Or perhaps instill the idea into the minds of women who never really considered it. If they believe they're doing it for a good cause. They may be more proactive about taking the steps to help others(men).
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 06:10 AM
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In that case the narrative must be changed. If it was perceived as selfish for a woman to only accept a single partner. More women would likely transition views to fit the mold and be perceived as progressive minded members of society. If I rallied enough men around this idea. We could definitely pull off some sort of awareness campaign to get the wheels spinning.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 06:07 AM
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Wasting it for dating a rando you don't know is straight up ridiculous. When did I imply they would be dating a rando? The women that care about helping men would get to know another man just as they did their initial partner. The only difference is that they would partner with multiple simultaneously in order to give more men an opportunity at finding companionship.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 06:02 AM
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the only realistic thing that would help us is more accessible plastic surgery and TRT/HGH at young age I'll admit, that I at least agree with this. I genuinely wish I recieved HGH when I was younger. Past a certain age, teens should be able to consent to it without parental consent once they're educated about it. By the time they're fully grown it's too late. Many can get a job starting at 15 years old. They can pay for it out of their own pocket. Cosmetic surgery also needs to be more accessib…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 05:59 AM
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You have a point there as well... you're a little too good at debating. Everything I say something that I think is a solid argument, you smack it down with a rebuttal.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 05:52 AM
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Being blackpilled doesn't necessarily mean you're a doomer. You're simply aware of the obstacles that face you. Some see the obstacles and think it's not even worth navigating will others pursue solutions... the majority are doomers though.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 05:47 AM
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I understand that you prefer a monogamous relationship. But are you not willing to make a small sacrifice for the greater good of society? You would be a hero amongst men. Perhaps there could be some sort of compromise where you don't date multiple men simultaneously, but you switch between them on and off. You could put them on a rotating weekly schedule that allows you to only date one at a time.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 05:44 AM
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That's why we need to raise awareness about the epidemic of lonely men and let them know what they can do to help.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 05:31 AM
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Women rarely seem to want a one-sided harem. I guess you are somewhat right. I think men tend the fantasize about one sided harems more that women. Whenever I see women on online dating with multiple partners, they typically specify that it's an open relationship. The only difference is that the man would likely have a much harder time finding a second partner than the woman would. However in this scenario it may be more feasible for a man to pull it off.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 05:19 AM
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14) I’m Allowed to Grow Old 80 year old lades still slay on Tinder. Age affects males more. Finally someone acknowledges this. "The wall" is cope. Many men act as if once a woman turns 30, nobody wants them and they're stuck wondering where all the men are. The only men she potentially would have a harder time finding are the 30 year old and younger Chad's. As long as she's at least average looking for her age. Even the average looking normies with respectable jobs will still bend over backwards…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:59 AM
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When did I mention it only being about sex?
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:51 AM
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That was a minor example. My ultimate point was that many men would be happier with this arrangement that they would be continuing to be perpetually alone.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:50 AM
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Hmm... you might be right, now that I think of it. 🧐 But then again... the women would still hold most of the power in the relationship. She many would be glad to reap the benifets of a polyamorous relationship while not being open to a mutually open relationship. The same way a "high value" man may be open to having multiple girlfriends but not okay with their girlfriends having male partners of their own. If things were to transition like this. The black pillers would need to date multiple wom…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:48 AM
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I addressed this in the 3rd paragraph of my post. Many black pillers won't accept this but many will. You have to realize how desperate many men are. Many men are literally paying women to write their name on a peice of paper and send them photos of them holding it as shoutouts. This is how deprived many men are. If an average looking woman with an otherwise acceptable personality gave the lonely black piller an opportunity with this trade-off. There's a good chance they may still be open to it.…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:35 AM
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Not necessarily. The woman holds the power in this relationship dynamic not the man. That's why it's up to women to make the decision to have multiple partners. If an average looking woman gives a lonely black piller the opportunity for companionship, with the condition that she can have multiple partners. As sad as you may think it is. Many would seize the opportunity, despite the trade-off. Those lonely men would still perceive it as a better deal than their current situation.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:21 AM
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You have to be more optimistic. If enough men banded together and pulled off some sort of awareness campaign. I'm sure we could speed up the process to change.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:15 AM
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Some do. Just not many relative to the greater population. It's not a matter of whether all women care or not. It's a matter of how many. And if only a miniscule amount do. They can make up for it at least partially, by accepting multiple men as partners simultaneously.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 04:05 AM
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You're the one who insulted him though 🤔
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 03:33 AM
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You're being very toxic and closed minded. No body will take what you say seriously if you talk to them like that. You're wasting time going back and forth. Do you really think you'll change his mind through insults?
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 03:24 AM
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She might initiate the conversation if she knows you but even if you look good. A woman whos a stranger typically wont cold approach you.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 01:59 AM
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You're pretty right about this. I personally a fine hobby if you have other aspects of your life together. ...but if you're lonely and broke, when you realize that the successful people you're obsessing over through memorabilia won't ever know you exists and will never reciprocate the appreciation you have for them. You have to realize that the hobby is probably only holding you back in life.
/r/AllPillDebate09/07/23 03:47 PM
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Have you considered income-maxxing so that you can pursue pursue surgery-maxxing? It genuinely may help. I know many people don't like that they would have to resort to this but it at least gives you hope that you can do something significant to change your situation. You need to be focusing on your education so that you can raise your income.
/r/AllPillDebate09/07/23 03:38 PM
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They're dumbing it down. He goes into detail as to what your very specific flaws are so that you can improve. He's not just telling your whether you're ugly or not. There's a science to physical beauty.
/r/AllPillDebate02/07/23 09:27 PM
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There's nothing wrong with being "insecure" about something as long as you're mentally stable. It's pretty natural. After all. You can be as content with your own appearance as you like... but if you look like a mess to everyone else. Chances are, the quality of your social interactions won't be as good as they would if you made improvements. Especially when it comes to dating.
/r/AllPillDebate02/07/23 09:24 PM
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I don't think you guys truly understand the purpose of the paid face ratings. It's not simply paying someone 25 dollars to tell you whether you're attractive or not. It's also pointing out your flaws and areas that could be improved, that you may not be able to pinpoint. It's sort of like like food. You can generally discern if food is good or not but a chef/food critic can pinpoint and describe the short comings specific short cooks.
/r/AllPillDebate02/07/23 09:15 PM
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Na. That's the good site. Incels go on Tinder to end up with 2 matches per 10,000 swipes.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 02:07 PM
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trying to get in femcel pants by attacking me and attempting to prove to them that You start off by "attacking" you and that I'm trying to get in femcels pants. What do you really hope to accomplish here? Do you think I'm going to read that, snap my fingers and say "Darn, he really got me there." You're too far gone to communicate with in a productive manner. You've become a ball of rage and toxicity that can't hold a reasonable discussion. I genuinely hope you attend therapy soon. Reddit is not…
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 12:13 PM
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False, the fact is that Chad fishing experiments prove that even a 1/10 woman can get more attention than an 8-9/10 Chad. Men have a monopoly on TFL... We can't have a reasonable discussion if your exaggerations are this aggreious. A truly 1 out of 10 is not getting more attention than a 9/10 Chad. At least not good attention. I've looked at those expirements as I use to consume that type of content a lot. While there is some truth in that, it's not nearly as extreme as you're making it out to b…
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 11:39 AM
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This is a gross over exaggeration. I fully understand the black pill but to I can tell you that many 4/10 men who call themselves incels have better dating prospects than a 2/10 dark skinned african American woman. Many men who deem themselves to be incels have options. It's just not the options they themselves would want. Now I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with this but I've noticed a massive uptick in toxic, resentful incels that resent women so much they might as well just start g…
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 10:55 AM
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I use to dive heavily into consuming incel content but I eventually realized how bitter I was becoming. I completely agree with this. Many incels have gotten completely delusional thinking that every young women have it better off than they they themselves do. It's not as common but there are women who struggle in silence. Race plays a huge factor as well. The same incel that goes into an internal rage seeing all the women that won't date them is the same one who wouldn't even consider dating mo…
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 10:45 AM
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I would dare to say that this applies to average women as well. An average woman has far more options than an average male.
/r/AllPillDebate21/05/23 04:44 PM
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Whitepill" is mostly stoicism It seems I've been misinformed. However my problem is that I'm trying to find groups of people with a similar mentality. It's hard to find groups of optimistic black pillers.
/r/AllPillDebate15/05/23 01:59 AM
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I thought the white pill was more about accepting blackpill, and moving on and focus on different goals that make you happy in life that are not related to women If thats the case I've been misinformed. They thing I don't like about associating with black pill is the mentality of black pillers. I find many of them to be insufferable and toxic. I have yet to really find social groups of positive black pillers.
/r/AllPillDebate15/05/23 01:55 AM
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Women can’t be Incels. That's absolutely ridiculous. Women are much less likely to be incels but there are many women who are. Typically the 1s and 2s out of 10s. Many men who identify as incel would not even consider approaching these women. Heck. Even many men who claim to be incels wouldn't date woman of a particular skin color although they don't typically outwardly admit it. There are men who are widely physically undesired and the same goes from some women. Just far less. And before for th…
/r/AllPillDebate15/05/23 01:52 AM
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I've been in the loop about the pills for a while now yet I've never heard of the white pill until this thread and I think it may be much more in line with me. I've always been in a weird limbo between black pill and red pill. On one hand(black pill) you have the knowledge but people often can't handle the knowledge and give up. Then there's the red pill self improvement crowd which I like because of the positivity but they lack the practicality of a black piller. They focus on improving little …
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 05:45 AM
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Allow me to correct you. Black pillers and losers aren't necessarily synonymous. It's just so happens that people who take the black pill often times become losers. They have the knowledge of what's needed for success. Yet instead of working on their finances, getting some likely benefitial cosmetic procedures done and potentially relocating to a country where their SMV is arguably higher. They choose to give up and whine endlessly because simply getting a nice haircut and putting on a collared …
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 05:34 AM
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It is the same thing in principle. You believe so deeply in your conviction that you believe that someone should be prevented from making their own decision for their own sake. A decision that is inconsequential to others apart from themselves. It's really no different that a religious zealot preventing you from doing something because they believe that a divine being would punish you for it. They believe that they're only doing it for your own good. It's an awful deal in your opinion. That's wh…
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 05:24 AM
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Feel free to encourage people to do so but making it illegal is a different subject. The success rate of limb lengthening is exceptionally high. Functioning adults do not need you to make decisions or concfor them. Think about it from this perspective. Let's say someone was religious and accordiny their religion. Anyone who wore a certain colored shirt would be subjected to divine punishment. Imagine if they approached you and tried to force you to take your shirt off. Should they be able to do …
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 05:28 PM
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You should not have autonomy over someone else's choices in regards to what they decide to do with their own body. The surgery is approved, the potential side effects are well documented and discussed between the doctor and patient. No adult wants you to make that choice for them. The same way you shouldn't be able to force someone to go to a doctor that refuses to go(under normal circumstances). Granted this is within reason. If doing something to your bodies will have a significant negative po…
/r/AllPillDebate12/05/23 09:58 PM
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This post is a tad bit ignorant. People have physical preferences. Many western women would not even consider a serious relationship with a man below a certain height(this happens in the east as well but not to the extent of the west). Many are just too nice to say it. The same way many people would never date someone of certain skin colors under normal circumstances. Yet they would never outwardly state it. The exception does not make the rule. Height doesn't make you undateable. But it will dr…
/r/AllPillDebate12/05/23 06:00 PM
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That's ridiculous. Especially in the US when it's arguably much safer than in some other countries.
/r/AllPillDebate12/05/23 05:55 PM
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If you want it to help you with pick-up then yes it's a waste of money. That's a silly notion in my opinion. That would be like buying a fancy suit not to actually wear it going out. But just to stare at yourself in the mirror wearing it. Of course it's for the sake of looking better in public. There isn't anything wrong with that in my opinion. Nonetheless, you shouldn't be too presumptuous on these anonymous message boards. You don't really who's typing on the other end. You don't know what th…
/r/AllPillDebate10/05/23 11:37 PM
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TL:DR Just because looks matters doesn't mean that someone only dates someone for looks. For example. It would be like turning down a committed relationship with a girl that doesn't like sex. Does that mean sex the the only thing that matters to me. No. But it does still matter.
/r/AllPillDebate10/05/23 01:37 AM
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Or you could use that money and fuck some hot escorts. If you live in the US(and many other places). This is illegal. In 1st world countries where this is legal and regulated. It's still expensive. And unsustainable needing to spend money every single time you want sex when prices can be as high as over $100 for a 30 minute experience. You will burn through that money. It would be like deciding whether to use a lumpsum of on a house to live in or deciding to spend that money living in a nice hot…
/r/AllPillDebate10/05/23 01:30 AM
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You didn't answer my question first though. If cosmetic surgery is a waste of money. What would you consider not to be a waste of money when it comes to expendable income? Because I'm positive I can make it sound silly. Despite it being something you would personally enjoy doing. The surgeries and procedures I would be getting aren't really relevant unless you know what I look like to begin with. However, I'm 5'5, with a an average face, I'm average weight for my height. Having an average face w…
/r/AllPillDebate10/05/23 01:11 AM
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Thats wishful thinking my friend. There is an epidemic of average but lonely men struggling to find even slightly below average women in countries like the US. Many are desperate and are willing to look past things like that. As long as they're average looking or better, older women still have many options. The smv of average men and average women are not equal. Even if they're both 5/10 for the respective genders.
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 11:53 PM
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To an extent that's correct. However she at least still has options. There are many young, desperate men that would actually pursue her if she made herself open to them.
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 08:30 PM
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The wall is cope in my opinion. Yes their options may decline as they age but I feel like many men are acting like the tables flip when they don't. An average looking 50 year old woman has more SMV than an average 20 year old male that can barely pull more than a couple matches a day on dating apps.
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 06:20 PM
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You're missing the point. I just used an extreme example to make it more obvious. My point is that most of us have physical standards and preferences. However women typically have higher standards than men. Any the average looking women you likely want have far more options than average looking men here. The women you would be physically attracted to are likely not physically attracted to you. They have many options and are not regretting turning you down. I hate to say it to you a good personal…
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 06:14 PM
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As sad as it is to say. It's not really their loss. They just weren't weren't physically attacted to you enough to consider dating you. The same way you might turn down a 350 pound woman in a wheel chair and lazy eye. Imagine if she said, "it's your loss". Even if she turned out to have an amazing personality. You wouldn't feel like you were missing out by deciding not to date her.
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 03:56 PM
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I would like to clarify that all a passport bro is, are men who travel to other countries(typically 2nd and 3rd world countries) to find better relationships and interactions with women. Men become pass port bros for different reasons. I don't generalize American women damaged. I am an okay looking guy on the shorter side. The culture here and standards for men here in the US result in my current life here not being very enjoyable. I'm not so far gone that I push away women but I don't attract t…
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 03:43 PM
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Here's the thing. There are quality women here in the US. The problem is that just because they're quality women doesn't mean that they'll take any interests in you. Personally, I may become a pass port bro. I would consider myself okay looking but I don't seem to be date worthy by many women here. Because I don't quite meet male beauty standards as much as I would like yet apparently. However if I do stay. Surgery maxxing is the way to go. The term wasting money is subjective when it comes to e…
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 08:45 AM
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It's brutal. I completely acknowledge that. But as much as we would like to believe consuming endless red pill and black pill content, and venting on forums will spark some sort of change. It likely won't anytime soon. We can either sit around and do nothing or we can put in the work to attain the funds needed to improve our life situations.
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 05:26 AM
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