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paternity testing to the marriage contract Talk to a lawyer first. In some US states, marriage brings a conclusive presumption of paternity, and test results don't even matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 10:49 AM
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I have trouble believing anyone ever managed to have sex after an hour of "may I kiss you here? now, may I put my hand there?" Even women this is supposed to protect have objected to such a sanctimoniously dispassionate process.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 10:39 PM
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If she gets older, starts dating guys she wouldn't have settled for before, and fucks them less often and enthusiastically, I don't believe her preferences actually changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 08:51 PM
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Maybe? I don't know how many of these instincts are altered by being gay. E.g., I can't imagine caring a lot about how I'm judged by other men rather than by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 08:42 PM
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The fear is of settling down with a woman who usually won't fuck you (maybe just enough to keep you around) and being tricked into raising other men's kids because those men were more desirable than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:11 PM
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They're offering ideas on getting what we want from the world as it is. It's more practical than hoping our descendants have better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 03:55 AM
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It's not obvious. I needed TRP to explain what masculinity looks like in a relationship, why it isn't obsolete (when it seems like it ought to be, compared to the pro-social traits I was raised with), and that the constant claims that women don't like it or approve of it are deluded or lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 10:00 AM
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Men aren't more noble. Some men aren't very interested in sex, or have standards they wouldn't abandon even during a dry spell. (TBP is way off when they think this applies to everyone, though.) Women aren't children. Some just have less practice at living without a net. Woman can effortlessly get what I want, but they're choosy enough that they can't easily get what they come to want. A woman might have a lot of partners yet none of them were amazing enough that she'll lose interest in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:56 AM
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r/deadbedrooms has plenty of couples who don't even agree with each other about how often they have sex, yet social scientists continue to publish survey results with a straight face when they aren't allowed actual observations of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:00 AM
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If it turns out that TRP has a strategy that's only attractive to a certain type of woman, so be it, that's still better than I was doing before. I think it's unlikely they have advice about attracting other kinds of women but are suppressing it because they aren't interested. And I don't think responding to masculinity and lack of desperation is that unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 08:23 AM
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TRP is setting unflattering expectations about women's motivations. It's encouraging men to decline to be used. It's always going to be hated. MRM is never going to succeed. We are each on our own. Unlike women, men do not have enough sympathy with the public or the powerful (yes, not even from other men) to get traction. TRP should not be watered down in a futile effort to make MRM less of a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:30 AM
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As I see it, you're making an argument that cooperative relationships are better than adversarial ones. But for TRP a strategy includes how to make a relationship happen. It's not enough that she wants what I want if she doesn't want it with me, and I could go the rest of my life without seeing that happen by accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:05 AM
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A strategy that declares my problem doesn't exist is not very compelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 01:47 AM
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Change how? This strategy doesn't try to explain anything about what traits women are attracted to. TRP exists because we were not successful at learning that, particularly not by asking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 01:46 AM
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Some of TRP talks a lot of shit about how great men are. I don't know why anyone bothers. TRP has no more insight about men than anyone else does, since they're only properly motivated to pay close attention to women. As for the question, anything legal is justified with someone who actively sets out to ruin your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 12:05 AM
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A kid in a man's body. It's not a problem for our friendship, but I know I couldn't date him. Here you've harshly judged him as seriously defective. I take that more seriously than your willingness to be friends with him anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 10:18 PM
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When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. Our society finds meek, pudgy office drones very useful and grants them good, stable careers. Why are women never excited to be with them and still drawn to those other men with long-useless traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 09:43 PM
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TRP's theory is that women have always been (and always will be) attracted to traits in men that would have been useful to prehistoric parents, and I find that explains a lot. I don't know what your alternate theory would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:43 PM
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Most people enjoy and want sex. Some people want sex indiscriminately. Some people only want sex when a particularly attractive partner is available. The key to sexual strategy is knowing how to make yourself attractive enough for sex. If you start out assuming there are no heritable reasons for some traits to be more attractive, there's no way to understand why some strategies work better than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:17 PM
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Male sex tourists mostly go to southeast Asia where it's a huge industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:43 AM
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There were nice, honest guys at that party. Have you slept with any of them since then? If not, don't you think there's an awfully high penalty for being nice?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:17 PM
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"I don't really like the guy I'm fucking, but I like you, and that should mean a lot. At least until we're rid of your kind."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 11:11 AM
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That might be a question for a man with standards. Apart from family, there aren't any women I know whom I wouldn't be tempted to sleep with. (I might not go through with it for practical reasons, e.g., my boss' wife.) Edit: if your friends never have kids, do you think humanity will be better or worse off without them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:19 AM
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There are women I'm nodding acquaintances with whom I haven't tried to get closer to, yet I'd cheerfully take an offer to sleep with. But I've never wanted to ignore someone afterward.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:12 AM
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The guy you'll fuck, you are treating as a human being. The guy you won't is more like your favorite spayed pet--fun to have around for a while, but it's better if there aren't more like him in the future. Unfuckable guys are softly being exiled from our species, and are deluded enough to take consolation from "but he's a great guy though".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 02:11 AM
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Somehow as a beta I never clearly thought about what rejection means and why it hurts so much, but this is one of the worst judgments a woman can make about me. This means my kind shouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 01:48 AM
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She made a long-term commitment to portray a character with a certain look on a rigorous schedule. She had a responsibility to uphold that or end it gracefully, not spring "oops, now I can't do that" on them at the last minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 11:16 PM
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For women, there aren't enough strong hot men. For weak or ugly or vulnerable men, there aren't enough women willing to settle for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 10:52 PM
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Studies have also shown people lie in studies. No review board would approve intrusive monitoring of subjects' sex lives, so we have no solid data.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 10:41 PM
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For a while he was being what women want, and it was working, just as we'd expect. Now he's less willing to do that, and it's not working as well, just as we'd expect. I hope getting to call himself reformed and mature is some kind of consolation for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 01:19 AM
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I can't give a meaning to that. How could my own existence have more or less value to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 10:49 PM
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Conservatives' allegation is that the Frankfurt School set out to undermine and fragment traditional western society so that it won't stand united against another attempt at Marxism. I don't know how much of this I buy, but here are a couple of excerpts from Lind's "Who Stole Our Culture?": Led by Adorno, the Frankfurt School initially opposed the culture industry, which they thought “commodified” culture. Then, they started to listen to Walter Benjamin, a close friend of Horkheimer and Adorno, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 06:33 PM
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I'm not actually sure what people mean by self worth. I think of worth as "to whom, for what". My coworkers and managers have judged me very favorably in my career for good sensible reasons and I take pride in that. Women have judged me very harshly (however they might sugar-coat it) and I'm disappointed about that, but I think I will eventually be able to meet their shallow atavistic preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 08:46 AM
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This. A straight woman who admires my abilities but would never fuck me is relating to me like I'm trained chimp, not a worthy man of her own species.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 02:10 AM
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My mother didn’t bother asking why I had opened Grace’s vagina. This was within the spectrum of things I did[....] As she grew, I took to bribing her time and affection[....] Basically, anything a sexual predator might do to woo a small suburban girl, I was trying. If it isn't the same, it's only that Dunham was completely shameless about it, and that your standard of behavior for her is drastically lower, because girl. Edit: there was also something about her masturbating after luring her siste…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 01:12 AM
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Why do you say "people like Huckabee"? The article didn't quote a single other person speaking on Duggar's behalf. Everyone else is distancing themselves, not rallying to his defense. why we need to demolish the patriarchy What's the link between political power and children abusing children within families? Edit: what kind of government are you envisioning that is so all-powerful that it could have prevented this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 12:06 AM
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being in political office must be power And having people in power who resemble you must improve things for you, because surely the people in power care more about people who resemble them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 08:35 PM
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If you prove crystal healing works, you get $1M from the Amazing Randi. If you prove TRP works, you get drummed out of your research position. Or maybe your house gets firebombed; that would only surprise me a little. Besides, no ethics board would approve spying on your subjects' sex lives, and you can't just ask because everybody lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 09:36 AM
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He never talked about his life before being unplugged. Probably not an acting career and all the steak he could eat. But who knows, maybe he was content. Were you content? Because I was not. I knew acutely what I was suffering without, just never understood why.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/15 07:47 AM
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The non-aggression principle applies to strangers just as strongly as family or tribe or people who look like you. What it's codifying is not the way most people feel empathy with a strong in-group bias. Do you believe in police or in restitution? Each of those put the good of all above empathy with the accused, and I think a huge majority feel that's proper.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 07:35 AM
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Go out into the real world and ask people what they think. I already knew what women are willing to admit they think they like. What I was missing is what they actually lust after. That's different and they don't seem to notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 05:40 AM
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There are people who believe in the non-aggression principle, people who believe in the greatest good for the greatest number, and people who believe in commandments from god, and nobody can build a machine that objectively measures which of them are wrong. Morality doesn't exist the way gravity does. We made it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 01:06 AM
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A man who's good-looking but awkward around women still has a problem to solve. And admitting you had to learn how to succeed with women is never in a man's interest (unless he's selling something), so it shouldn't be surprising we don't out ourselves. Plus the whole death threat thing; TRP is really really hated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 07:09 PM
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We might agree on which strategies work and why, but we won't ever agree on which strategies should not be used. The golden rule isn't universal and can only be applied by making very subjective decisions. I don't always approve of TRP mods' decisions, but they are very strict about keeping a useful signal/noise ratio in one of the most besieged subs ever. Society had our entire lives to convince us to act in everyone else's interest but our own, and TRP is (edit: almost) the only place that isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 06:54 PM
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Can confirm, an hour with someone kind is much better than nothing, though eventually I hope I don't have to pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 09:04 AM
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A religion is a philosophy that justifies violent subjugation of nonbelievers. Feminism's behavior towards MRAs and fathers is veering in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 07:01 AM
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don't date divorced women with kids (I'm 40 years old and divorced, if I did that I'd have shit to date) His divorce ordeal left him feeling like damaged goods, and everyone except single mothers is out of his league now. go to the next singer songwriter show at the local coffee shop and check out the guy who barely has social skills getting good looking girls talking to him He writes like just talking is an accomplishment. How many of them are fucking him? No way would I want to be this guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 03:20 AM
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OP goes on to say he's a divorcé who dates divorced feminist women with kids, and doesn't talk about how frequent or enthusiastic the sex is. This is exactly what TRP predicts beta men have to settle for. He's practically the poster boy for what we don't want to be. As for it being a religion, no. Nobody in a big hat is going to torture me to death for refusing to believe parts that turn out not to work for me. As for it being a science, sort of. Nobody has the data we need to be properly method…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 02:48 AM
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Over my life I've had two girlfriends lose interest over time, slept with five other women (not counting pros) without it leading to anything, and I suppose I've met a couple hundred other women who never showed any desire for me. I'm not sure what a statistician would say about the prevalence of outliers knowing only that I have yet to meet one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 05:22 AM
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Outliers exist. There are probably women out there with whom I could have an amazing relationship just by being myself. But there obviously aren't enough women like that to go around, and I've already wasted too much of my life trying to find one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 05:00 AM
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That's not much of a problem. Hell, I volunteer as tribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 10:03 PM
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I seem to recall that measuring many things about men (not just IQ) produces wider bell curves than women. We are nature's testbed, because if a bunch of us come out slow or weak or stupid then our deaths don't limit population growth much. If there's a high threshold above which your work can advance the state of the art, and the mean values for men and women are anywhere near each other, most of the obsessive weirdos who happen to fall above that threshold are likely to be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 09:58 PM
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What's most depressing to me is the r/deadbedrooms posters who hoped things would improve after marriage. Glad I wasn't quite that deluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 09:38 PM
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This. Sex is like oxygen, and staying because the relationship is "otherwise good" is like staying because she's pretty good at parallel parking and her penmanship is is flawless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 09:05 PM
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Goal: Lustful, enthusiastic sex on tap. Means: I don't know whether getting in shape or showing the right attitude (cocky, funny, disinvested) will matter more; I'm doing both because why take chances? Extraneous: Pretty much everything TRP has to say about male virtues and having a mission apart from women (which is not to say I shouldn't give the impression I have one) and the futile MRA stuff and the dead-end MGTOW stuff. The rest of my life works fine, I just want any solid advice I can find…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 08:46 PM
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I don't remember where I saw TRP referenced (edit: they were probably being demonized in r/relationships or r/deadbedrooms), but they were literally the first to clearly explain that both of my relationships had faded and died because I had become more of a doormat, and how it could be that women find that useful yet unappealing. That I wasn't crazy for wondering why women don't seem to like what they claim to. I've only just started and I'm still paying for it right now, but I have yet to see a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 08:26 PM
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Being chivalrous used to make a good impression on her family. It was never a panty-wetter, which has become all that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/15 12:53 AM
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I came hoping for easier or more palatable answers. Now I think TRP is probably the only game in town, and just out of stubbornness I'm trying to counter criticisms that start with poor understanding of why men like me are so unhappy and what it is that TRP is actually advising us to do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 10:15 PM
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This kills the relationship. But like most women she probably believes she would like it. Source: was that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 09:26 PM
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Hell yes I would, and have. I loved the few girlfriends I've had but I never thought they would be mistaken for lingerie models. The only thin, beautiful sex partners I've ever had were after I started paying for it. And my favorite is not the hottest one. As a below-average man, I have to improve my value. My standards (or lack of) don't make any difference when no women are driven to settle for me. Edit: in real life I pretend to have standards, because being desperate is an unattractive tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 09:10 PM
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Oddly, "young, intelligent, nice, and sociable" are all useful traits to show in getting better jobs and becoming a better provider. Which is to say this would be good advice. ... in 1950.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 09:02 PM
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Where does this idea come from that men are only suffering from their own high standards? I've never had standards nor could afford them. Is it so unbelievable that pretty much all women would rather go without than fuck a below-average man, and this is one of the core differences between men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 08:48 PM
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Ours is a just world. Obviously women could never judge men on anything superficial and meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 08:23 PM
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The dangerous idea is that you're a great guy just the way you are and that being patient will pay off, because it leads to despair and anger. Most only become a danger to themselves, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 08:19 PM
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There are no women so desperate as to give it away to low value men. Even crack whores can charge for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 08:03 PM
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That's how you get closer to what people are willing to say they believe about themselves. Hardly any of the studies on either side observe actual behavior, because spying on subjects' sex lives is so taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 07:24 PM
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Meh, it can't be worse for blue pill men than the average romcom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 07:50 AM
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Sex is the greatest bliss I've experienced. It's the only time I feel free to stop thinking and lose myself and act on whims, and basking in the afterglow is the only time I feel as though my body is really part of me rather than this awful thing that carries me around. When I was with partners rather than paying for it, there was sort of a constant "will she or won't she right now?" just below my conscious nudging me, and I don't think women get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:34 PM
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interview the couples again Oh, for pity's sake. r/deadbedrooms is full of couples who can't even agree with each other about how much sex they have. Spreadsheet husband was vilified for bringing actual data, because it confirmed that what people say is useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 02:04 AM
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TRP also finally offers a clear explanation of those "things already known" to men who never knew them. When a man was deceived into wasting a big fraction of his life doing things that were never going to work, I don't see how a different sub could possibly break that news to him without making him angry and resentful. And I wish women hated me enough to figure out what turns me on and offer it to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 07:38 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_ancient_Greece says a lot of prostitutes (maybe most? hard to tell) were women, which means a lot of men actually wanted sex with them (and not for breeding). Humping adolescent boys' thighs was only desired while they were young enough not to look masculine. I do envy gay men's sex lives but "politically gay" is only an option for men who somehow aren't repulsed by male bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 07:10 AM
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If only women hated me enough to spend time watching what turns me on so that they can offer it to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:55 AM
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Why would that matter? We all grew up surrounded by girls and then women whom we didn't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 09:25 PM
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And on the other side there seems to be a blanket idea that prostitutes are forced into wandering the streets like zombies. My favorite posts her own ad and has a nicer apartment than mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 08:11 PM
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Why would women have more access to unrestricted sex and men wouldn't if the majority of prostitutes are female? Most prostitutes are women because most of the people desperate enough to pay for it are straight men. Sex isn't the only thing women have to offer Sure, though men don't necessarily value all the things women would like us to value, and I think it's pretty common for lack of sex to make everything else seem less important.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 07:57 PM
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Being in shape is more natural; being out of shape is only practical when civilization shelters us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 09:38 PM
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My tall ginger and short black exes were overweight but otherwise look nothing alike. I could get it up for most anyone enthusiastic enough. Picking my ideal off a menu would probably be a pretty Korean with that curtain of long dark hair, chubby enough to be soft all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 11:34 AM
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Not only adults. I also thought girls had a different mindset about it than boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 02:38 AM
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Men who grow up not knowing this will continue to be penalized for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 02:13 AM
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WTF? PUAhate knowingly rejected the idea that behavior makes a big difference. They despised us more than TBP ever could. Rodger was doomed the moment he decided he should be able to get women without talking to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:09 PM
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I think one of the things MGTOW got right is that women's preferences are so atavistic that sexual market value doesn't have much in common with actual value. I'm willing to change to get laid more, but I won't say those changes are improvements.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 05:12 AM
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Tell that to the creationists. Childhood indoctrination is a powerful thing, and in our case the movie industry was basically paid to reinforce it beyond merely everyone we ever talked to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 05:07 AM
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There are drawbacks: enthusiasm have to ration it out because daily would be $58K/year almost all expect condoms, some don't even kiss sometimes your favorite is busy, which you know means she's tiring herself out fucking some stranger no time for afterglow, can't stay over and wake up for round two (if you have to ask, you can't afford that) I think prostitution is often approved of in TRP at least as a crutch, but legalizing it is a lost cause, if anything the worldwide trend is going the othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 04:56 AM
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She's never going to be satisfied with the man she settled for if he can't remotely compete with the hottest men she ever fucked. So she's going to lose interest and maybe steal the house. And that has become normal. If she finds the hottest guy willing to commit when she's at her most beautiful, she doesn't have to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 11:25 PM
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Martial rape does exist as a matter of law. This changed the meaning of marriage so that it's no longer a binding agreement to be a faithful sex partner. I'm not a proponent of this version of marriage because very few men benefit from what little it still guarantees.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/15 11:28 PM
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Remember all the arguments about marital rape? That's how repugnant everyone in the mainstream finds it that a woman would ever assure sex to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/15 10:31 PM
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I believe men's intelligence has a wider bell curve (more geniuses and more idiots) than women's, because we are the disposable sex nature experiments with. But the average is about the same. I would prefer the average and below-average voter of either sex not participate, but alternatives to democracy tend to cause infamous atrocities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 11:24 PM
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"Incel" is short for "involuntarily celibate".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 11:09 PM
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I think you're greatly underestimating how desperately thirsty men can get. I've never had standards; I can't afford them until I improve. I've only ever dated a couple of average-looking women and I'm quite sure TRP is right about how they responded to my vulnerability and lack of masculinity. It's true that none of them went psycho before or after they lost interest. "Lower your standards" is not that helpful, no women are giving it away to just anybody. Even crack whores can charge for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 11:01 PM
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Why did women develop strong preferences if it wasn't up to them? Why did men adapt to sperm competition? Why is ovulation concealed, unlike other primates? If a woman before civilization couldn't decide who she belonged to, she could still decide to cheat and with whom.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 03:17 AM
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Truman Show-style monitoring could get solid data on sexual behavior, but that's far from practical and no review board would ever approve it ethically. In the absence of good data, I don't need to believe bad data, because I don't have a job in social science where I get paid by pretending my peers are achieving meaningful results. TRP is not nearly systematic enough, but at least I can try for myself what they've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 09:17 PM
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When a kid finds out Santa Claus isn't real, how long do you have to save him?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 06:23 PM
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In our society, right and wrong are defined around harm, and it's pretty much impossible to rape someone without causing harmful mental trauma. (You'd have to get into weird edge cases where nobody ever becomes aware it happened.) So it's pretty easy to miss the distinction between "this idea is wrong" and "unlike other ideas, there doesn't seem to be any way to use this one without doing something wrong". But TRP doesn't know anything I don't about right and wrong. They do know things I don't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 02:40 AM
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Wait. You accept my having conditions on whether I will stay in a relationship, but only certain ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 08:38 PM
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He despised us. He got obsessed with his ethnicity as his entire problem and completely rejected the idea that his behavior had anything to do with his celibacy. He snapped because women he never talked to were fucking other men and not him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 02:23 AM
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Or shoes. I think only a few fetishists notice beyond "yeah, she had two feet, I think".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 02:11 AM
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Not getting laid is second only to not having food. Saying you care about men is nonsense when you're focused on validation or being vulnerable or something else way down the list and openly don't give a shit about the average men's biggest problem by far. You're thinking about men self-destructing but not whether they have anything to live for. And if you are remotely affable person, you dick will stay about as wet. Let them eat cake. Have you even noticed the growing throng of men for whom it …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:29 AM
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The ones uncomfortable with their own bodies should be able to fix them however possible. The ones uncomfortable with others' opinions are not entitled to demand changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 10:18 PM
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All women hate it when treated with respect and love in a relationship They don't hate it. Too much of it seems weak and turns them off. I gradually smothered two relationships by not knowing this. as if all women are horrible beings at heart They aren't horrible. They have strong preferences that only made sense ages ago. Edit: My preferences don't make sense either. Consciously I don't want kids. But the genes are on autopilot. been a better person That's how society used to convince me to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 05:20 PM
2

Given several potential partners and no consequences, a man is more likely to sample all of them where a woman is more likely to fixate on the best one or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:57 PM
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Almost all of us were raised on blue pill ideas. We didn't start out wanting to try this stuff either. But hunger has no conscience and there are very few saints. And there's nothing noble about offering women what they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:51 PM
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I knew there was something wrong, but you might be surprised what's not obvious after everyone has been telling "little white lies" about it your whole life. If reality wasn't considered age-appropriate for us, that might be why we're finding TRP to be such a revelation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:26 PM
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Now, I don't care if the guys treating women as nothing more than holes to stick their dick in get more sex, I really don't. Shouldn't you? The sex they get that good guys don't is the penalty for being a good guy. The higher that penalty is, the more good guys who will give up and start behaving the way you don't want them to, because nobody has another bearable option for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 07:29 AM
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Schools, parents, government departments... all send out messages telling people to do physical activty and be fit, to be ambitious, to be social And they tried to justify it with a bunch of irrelevant bullshit. When I was a kid, nobody ever told me that such a majority of girls were shallow enough that this stuff plus an arrogant attitude was pretty much the only way I could have gotten laid. That would have made it important. Instead I got comments about what a great guy I was, like the ones i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 07:17 AM
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Why "tricked"? What makes it not an appropriate response to traits they actually like?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 07:35 PM
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I'm just starting, but I tried fixing my weak and desperate behavior, and I found that it matters a lot. The only way to empirically test looks theory is to observe which unconscious male bodies women would fuck, and the answer would surely be almost none.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 07:29 PM
1

There are no women giving it away to just any man. Even crack whores can charge for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 07:43 AM
6

It's moral to believe this is what they like and refuse to offer it to them?
/r/TheRedPill22/04/15 04:40 PM
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I'm starting to wonder whether they want women to be surprised by the consequences of their choices, because having to choose wisely bums them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 07:23 AM
9

Am I being kidnapped if she will only fuck me when I stay the night?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 06:25 AM
2

It used to be good for the entire species, because in deciding they bore children who were better prepared to thrive in the lawless wilderness. But they never started deciding to bear children who are better prepared to thrive in an interdependent high-tech society, and so we stopped evolving somewhere in the last millennium. It's still good for themselves, except that they seem unpleasantly surprised when they lose interest in the men they find commitment with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 08:01 PM
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They're successfully getting what they want. In what sense are they flawed?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 02:35 AM
11

Besides the usual objection about subjective survey results having any value, 5 is "moderately attracted" on their scale. You really think a typical guy, even one who can afford to have standards, has a "would bang" threshold higher than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 05:49 AM
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I don't think you're a worthy member of my species, but it would be awkward to make you notice that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 05:37 AM
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A simple "your lifestyle and mine don't mesh well" will probably do. They claim we hate women, but we aren't the ones trying to keep them ignorant of how their choices tend to play out over the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 05:23 AM
2

I don't have the stomach for that. I will never know whether it's what they want, nor do I think I need to get anywhere close to it. I suspect it's a good way to get convicted or wake up dead when she finally snaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 05:01 AM
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Nobody seems to have many good things to say about orphanages: There is an increasing body of evidence that orphanages, especially large orphanages, are the worst possible care option for children. In large institutions all children, but particularly babies may not receive enough eye contact, physical contact, and stimulation to promote proper physical, social or cognitive development. In the worst cases, orphanages can be dangerous and unregulated places where children are subject to abuse and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 12:00 AM
1

Why does TBP continually claim that everything non-malicious in TRP is merely common sense that everyone understood, when so many of us report not having known it, and so many men in everyday life don't behave like they know it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 11:21 PM
3

How could "exploiting their programming" be distinguished from "giving them what they want"? Is this some kind of ascetic thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 11:00 PM
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Pay attention to what women actually respond to, because it's more primal than what everyone claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 10:31 PM
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There are men like me who don't much care, but they were probably cheated on more often and mostly died out over the ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:11 AM
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We're meant to think women are above all that. It takes a lot of time and convincing to believe they really, really are as shallow as we.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 07:43 PM
2

Stop showing them your genuine self. Consider traits you haven't displayed very much, maybe because you don't approve of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 07:39 PM
2

Heh, it's playing hard-to-keep after hard-to-get worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 06:42 PM
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If women had no influence over who they get pregnant with, they wouldn't have strong preferences. Instead we see they do and their physiology makes it harder to be certain whose baby it will be, unlike most primates. And men's physiology tries to remove and displace other men's sperm. The environment was somewhere between orgies and occasional cheating on the head of the tribe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 06:24 PM
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Not if she sneaks away from them. I don't think sperm competition and concealed ovulation came about without a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:00 PM
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A lot of guys never experience anything like that because they have a lot more people to compete with (years ago my class was 50x as big). Edit: you also wrote Between 19 and 34, had sex maybe twice every five years, different women. Often went years without a GF, often had a non-sexual relationship. so I don't think you're that aware of how tough just getting any woman can be, when you have hardly ever tried doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 06:20 PM
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I think he wanted a partner who shares his passion and it is why it is so weird he could not find one. This "let them eat cake" response is what sounded like a woman. Like finding the type of partner he wanted was the only problem he might have had, not finding anyone at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 09:13 PM
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why can't you figure out life on your own? Seriously? Nobody expects us to figure out cooking without any advice, and food doesn't even have motivations, much less different ones than my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 07:15 AM
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They can empathize with not getting who you really want. They can't imagine not getting anyone. Somehow I doubt he got many mercy fucks from all those twitter followers hoping he might have changed his mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:50 AM
2

I never want to be in another relationship with someone who's happy with me in some ways but does not lust after me. That means preferring women whose standards have not become impossibly high for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 04:39 PM
1

Jocks are assholes and bullies. That's why they succeed where agreeable, positive people fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 01:35 AM
2

It's not always amazing. With a condom I don't always get off. But it tops everything else; I haven't ever gone away thinking "I wish I had been doing ___ instead."
/r/TheRedPill12/04/15 11:03 PM
1

We support unproductive people in spite of capitalism, not because of it. In steady state the aged can't outnumber the workers unless the average person retires at 60 and lives past 100. This is only a temporary problem when the birth rate drops very quickly. And our unofficial unemployment rate is so high that's not what worries me.
/r/TheRedPill12/04/15 12:16 AM
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The global warming data is pretty bad because there are no reproducible controlled experiments to be done. And valid data on sexual behavior is all but impossible due to ethics rules around manipulating or even spying on human subjects combined with rampant dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 11:16 PM
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Trends that can't continue, won't. Our oversized speculator class is addicted to growth, and I say that from within the tech bubble skimming off their recklessness. But if we only invested enough to maintain our manufacturing base to meet stable demand (assume 0% instead of 1% more aggregate demand next year), and invested in newly-invented products at a reduced rate (because the amortized future value isn't as high), that would still be capitalism. My parents are over 70 and not rich, so mom is…
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 07:40 PM
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A ban on the pill would be widely evaded. They couldn't enforce the ban on abortion, and drugs are so much easier to smuggle that they're available in prisons. Growth just makes the next world war closer and bigger. Our current population isn't sustainable without infinite oil and gas, because we've been using it to manufacture food on depleted soil. Maybe you put your faith in a fusion-powered utopia, but I'm going to have mom and dad's backs and then enjoy the decline.
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 07:07 PM
2

Nobody has systematic data on who's fucking whom. Neither side can actually prove anything. TRP should advocate trying things that seem plausible, and TBP should convince us when they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 05:24 PM
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Not a lot, just enough to try their ideas for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 09:38 AM
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No social scientist has ever been able to monitor their subjects' entire sex lives. I don't share their completely unfounded faith in their survey results.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 12:59 AM
0

She didn't care; it's his reward. The love of a good woman saving a man from the curse of his animal nature. This is so ingrained that we need to remind each other to kill the hope that it really happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 09:00 PM
6

By "blue pill men" I didn't mean r/TheBluePill readers disputing our ideas, but men raised on mainstream propaganda who haven't started discounting what's said about women and focusing on what they actually do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 06:16 PM
6

There's a reason Beauty and the Beast is a classic love story and Shallow Hal is a forgettable comedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 04:57 PM
3

Pretty much. If she could give me the amazing experience she's had, but doesn't like me enough to bother, then to hell with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 04:39 PM
3

Price discrimination is economically rational. But it really pisses people off unless carefully dressed up as something like a senior discount.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 04:22 PM
3

drops bowl of protein goop, runs to watch
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 04:17 PM
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Blue pill men don't believe women are shallow enough that it's important. This is part of why we take them off the pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 03:30 PM
2

Yeah. I'm no psycho, but this screwed me up more than anything else I went through. I will probably be making up for the years I wasted until I can't perform anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 03:08 AM
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Anyone who can willingly have sex with men and women without being disgusted by either is bi. They can say whatever they want about themselves, but if it doesn't explain their actual behavior it's meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 02:21 AM
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I'm a nerd. The women I've dated were nerds I met in college. When they lost desire for me, it's not because they were stupid or over-the-top man-hating feminists. I suspect the strain of anti-intellectualism is an overreaction to being taught the importance of knowledge work and then finding women do not at all value us on our hard-fought prowess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 04:44 PM
5

I wouldn't say fine. Men in prison sometimes snap and sodomize other men, then pretend they're still straight afterward. Navies grant shore leave in ports full of working girls to cut down on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 04:26 PM
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I wish we could get any kind of systematic data on lust. TRP is sort of like the bloodletting/leeches stage of medicine, with some bizarre ideas mixed in because they might have worked for a handful of guys. TRP tends to confuse attractiveness with actual self-improvement. Women don't judge men on traits that are useful in the modern world, and being desired doesn't make a man better in other ways. Tens of millions of boys would benefit from even a heavily watered-down version (confident works, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 05:00 AM
2

Not just attractive, attractive enough to find another partner if you wanted. Ideally other women already seen interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 03:24 AM
12

Imagine if people offered career advice like this. "You need to be happy being homeless; ignore employers for a while."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 03:15 AM
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There are people into BDSM who want to be slaves. Do you think we should deny it to them? Women are free to stop choosing the men who behave the ways you disapprove of. I used to hope they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/15 08:51 PM
4

Why is being in shape more attractive than not being in shape if NAWALT?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/15 05:12 PM
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I do but they're incredibly expensive compared to rent. Most guys could hardly ever afford it unless they move to the third world (which a few retirees do).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/15 07:13 AM
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The decline of the family farm has changed parenthood from a necessary investment to an expensive hobby that's likely to end badly for men. Someone I wonder what it would have been like, but I don't believe I've ever wanted it enough that I wouldn't resent the effect on my life. Objectively my genes aren't so great that the world should be further overpopulated with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 10:02 PM
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Is having a roof over your head really worth having to work forever? Sex trumps everything except food (I would assume, having never starved).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 09:55 PM
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This! They're comforting but not exciting, and too much of one good thing and not enough of the opposite good thing is how I let two relationships fizzle out without understanding why.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 07:21 PM
2

The stuff MRAs complain about is sort of on topic, because TRP does need to understand how the deck has been stacked against us. But the stuff MRAs want to do about it is not relevant to a guy like me who 1) doesn't believe they're going to win and 2) just wants to get laid a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 07:15 PM
2

It's also frequently claimed that RP is wrong about the preferences and motivations of a large majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 07:03 PM
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"Equal rights" and "women's rights" aren't the same unless you believe women have no privileges at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 06:46 PM
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It's the same logic as thinking he "deserves it" really. It's close, but one is rewarding him for your past while the other is investing in your future.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 06:43 PM
1

This is good. Only a couple things I would have put differently. so not really "Red Pill," just common sense Have we not said often enough that we didn't know this is how it works? considerate, empathetic, respectful edit: I don't think these help. Instead we have to build enough attraction to be able to get away with letting them show. he deserves this pussy This is too much of a "should". One of our complaints is that society tends to relieve women of consequences for reneging on obligations. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 06:26 PM
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I took it as a tone argument, not a joke. I think it's fair to say TRP is not written in a way that will convince anyone who isn't already predisposed to the ideas, and if you want to evangelize you can't sound red pill. But I favor the tone of TRP because things we dare not say become flaws in our theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 06:14 PM
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When a man is judged unfit to be a member of the species, "not a bad person" isn't much consolation. He starts to wonder whether bad people have more success.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 04:13 AM
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Do you think we didn't try that first? Almost all of us grew up accepting blue pill ideas about propriety and respect, and looked down on the boys who succeeded by defying them. There seem to be certain traits that women are usually attracted to, and I care whether that's true, not whether anyone is comfortable with my believing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 03:35 AM
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Actual science on how to get laid would require actual data on who's getting laid how often and what they're doing. But you could never get an R-rated Truman Show past an institutional review board, so nobody has systematic observations. TRP's data is pretty crappy but social science offers nothing better with their reliance on survey responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 03:18 AM
1

It obviously doesn't mean "you should change everything about yourself". And it doesn't say "you should change only some things about yourself" and certainly fails to give the slightest hint at what those might be. It's terrible advice and anyone defending it has to imagine meanings that are clearly not being said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 11:20 PM
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The man who never gets laid is much more likely to hate himself. we should always try to improve ourselves. Then "be yourself" is one of the worst things you could possibly say to someone who should be improving instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 03:43 PM
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I don't know how I would go about that. (Honestly I've been letting everything slide except my work; I'm not even getting in shape yet.)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 04:47 AM
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If I didn't learn to display the traits that most women are attracted to, I'm still better off fixing that than somehow learning to recognize the minority who aren't put off by it, if it's even possible for an adult to learn that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 01:06 AM
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Only a low libido man would choose #2 if it excludes #1. But blue pill men don't see those as different questions, because they haven't understood that women can and do get into relationships with men they don't much lust after.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 10:15 PM
6

Do you believe honest friendship requires being so completely disgusted by your friends that you would never consider it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 03:54 AM
0

Quite a few of my mother's friends are what you might calls hobos. They bum around, find free places to live, do minimal work, and live off of only a few hundred dollars a month if that. Given the topic, the obvious question is whether they're getting laid often and by whom.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 09:00 PM
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It's not obsolete so long as people keep responding to it. Peacock feathers were never practical, do you think they're obsolete?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 02:27 AM
2

If a desperate man doesn't approach a woman, it's because he doesn't think he has a chance and can't handle another rejection of himself as a human being. Even crack whores can get paid for it (I'm glad I can afford nicer, cleaner masseuses).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 03:51 AM
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not spoiling https://youtu.be/gVp4elqJLIY
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 03:34 PM
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The usual story. Be nice, be respectful, let her set the pace, don't pressure her, it's normal for girls not to want it often and it's bad that boys do, and you're lucky to have her (even though most days you don't). I was attractive enough to live with (now I know that means useful) but they lost interest (now I know that means I put up with being neglected). As far as depression, they were pretty normal, certainly nothing diagnosed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 10:50 PM
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There are people making minimum wage whose children are not being neglected. But we have this bizarre idea that children (which really means mothers) are entitled to a continuing standard of living that they wouldn't be if their parents were still together.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 08:56 PM
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I haven't found it works that way at all. I don't have standards, I'm just trying to get to the point where I don't have to pay for it. I think there are a lot of desperate and hopeless men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 08:53 PM
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women get rejected, too! We don't think you can always get whoever you want most, but you can always get someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 06:06 PM
1

The last I read, gay men can get anal Pap tests, but there is no approved test to tell whether a straight man is infectious with one of the dangerous strains.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 07:32 AM
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"Child support" is not grounded in any actual costs. It's an arbitrary percentage extorted from the father and gifted to the mother with no oversight. It's no-fault alimony that lasts decades; the child must exist but is otherwise irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 07:03 AM
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resort to systems/strategies to get sex versus operating on normal organic instincts like neurotypical humans beings We were indoctrinated against acting on those instincts. Hell, I used to be ashamed of ever having them. I had no idea I was making myself look weak rather than nonthreatening. Being able to get sex, appear attractive but still being unable to really connect to others is not real progress, it's the plight of the average narcissist. Whatever. Getting sex (even with girlfriends) is …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 07:04 PM
0

Food might be more important than sex if I were starving, but nothing else is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 04:00 AM
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I'm trying to display behavior I'm led to believe women are attracted to, and trying to make it habitual so I don't have to clumsily reason out what to do. The ineffective behavior I learned growing up is not connected to some kind of mystical "legitimate self" just because I've been doing it for longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/15 08:26 AM
1

Not so fortunate for men who can't reliably get any now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 08:32 PM
1

Nothing could be more negative and shaming than "I wouldn't fuck her". It amazes me that other opinions are somehow considered more insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 03:06 PM
1

actions are much more governed by sociatial influence than by biology Our actions may be governed by the laws of the day, but the lusts or revulsions we feel were shaped over millennia.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 02:55 PM
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Even if you get through the first three billion, about five hundred girls reach the age of majority every day, which gives you three minutes to meet each one. Assuming you don't have to travel. Or sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 05:34 AM
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If women needed sex as much as men do, prostitution wouldn't be overwhelmingly men paying women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 06:11 PM
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This is pretty plausible. It's the guy fearing scarcity and who think NAWALT and he's found a special one who can't just shrug it off and move on to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/15 05:42 AM
1

Never go hiking in bear country.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/15 05:27 AM
0

TRP advice is to emotionally disengage or prepare to leave, and don't be surprised if she suddenly shows dramatically more willingness, because she may not have meant no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 07:46 PM
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If women had to convince men to maybe let them stay for free because it's illegal to rent them apartments, nobody would be asking whether they're oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/15 09:00 PM
2

Using orgasm as a proxy for actual desire is interesting, but the typical reliance on subjective self-reporting makes it meaningless. /r/deadbedrooms is full of frustrated partners who can't even agree on how often they have sex, and spreadsheet-husband was vilified for getting objective about it. And when the second paper observes that women claim a preference for less muscular men yet less muscular men claim having had fewer successes, someone is definitely full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/15 08:23 PM
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http://time.com/3083244/sex-trafficking-prostitution-national-day-of-johns-arrests/ http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/targeting-sex-buyers-not-sex-sellers-arresting-demand-for-prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/15 03:53 AM
3

True, I blame our widespread tendency to ignore anything that happens to unsuccessful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/15 12:18 AM
6

There are police whose entire job is to arrest men for needing sex and the women who dare show mercy on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/15 10:05 PM
6

Imagine if you could get arrested for buying food or shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/15 09:49 PM
0

You'll still only get what they're willing to say seems attractive, not who they will and won't actually fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 06:11 PM
1

The decades around 1920 are when we started hitting our physical limits and having problems we might not solve. Most of the dangerous frontiers had allied with powers capable of industrial-scale war, so surplus men were no longer travelling and weeding themselves out. Viable farmland was wrecked by being cultivated too intensely. We somehow forgot how to keep the economy coupled to the actual wealth produced by and for the typical citizen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 09:08 AM
2

I'm going to take TRP's suggestions with gratitude and keep the ones that work for me. And hopefully give something back. When nobody else is putting out convincing answers to the questions I've always had about women's preferences, I'm not interested in anyone else's consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 04:40 AM
1

It's understating the differences between Christianity and Islam, but it's a good explanation for why some flavors of ludicrous bullshit creates more powerful societies than others, and how ours reached its peak.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 09:38 PM
2

My life is halfway done, I can't wait for social science to drop the survey bullshit and start getting serious and objective about observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 09:06 PM
3

The message of Islam is to submit. Blindly believe what you were taught as a child, and you are promised rewards that nobody can confirm. The message of TRP is that you've been failing because there's a lot of bullshit included in what you were taught as a child, so try behaving like this instead and see how women respond. I think there's a fair argument that society worked better when monogamy gave the average man something worth living for, but ours isn't doing that and Islam certainly never h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 08:03 PM
2

Valid science would involve unethical use of surveillance equipment. You can't just ask people how they think their sex life is going and get an answer that means anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 05:18 PM
1

I wouldn't say it's impossible, but we definitely aren't doing it and I don't think we really know how.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/15 11:10 PM
1

The only thing that allowed so many betas to reproduce in the first place, was the one man for on woman idea And the society who had that conquered all the others. If you write off 80% of men, the drones watching your back had better be amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/15 10:30 PM
3

The smartest kids become too weird to hang around with, much less fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/15 10:21 PM
6

Early 40s. I haven't been upset in a very long time, but I do think those years shaped me in a way I have seen people underestimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/15 07:13 AM
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A boy fresh out of puberty, surrounded by the hottest girls he will ever know, none of whom treat him like part of her species? I went through that, and I don't know how I would ever say for certain that I'm completely over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/15 12:02 AM
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Social science has granted us a wealth of detailed data about human behavior, provided the only behavior you care about is filling out surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 10:13 PM
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That only gets us which sex is thought to have it better. All those people could be wrong, because they haven't experienced both possibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 04:35 AM
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Those were nice but if I have to give them up to have incessant lust, I will.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 09:42 PM
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It's not rational to wait for science that isn't going to be done; I have to do something with the years I have left. TRP is a bunch of anecdotes which seem to have potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/15 06:10 AM
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What I call science is objective data from controlled, repeatable experiments. Subjective opinions reported by self-selected participants are no better than anecdotes. I believe getting valid data about human sexual behavior is probably possible but would require such intrusive monitoring (think of an R-rated Truman Show) that social scientists will not be allowed to do it, and their peer reviewers are living in mutual denial about the quality of their work. I do think TRP is too credulous about…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 05:24 PM
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The fear is that women are not changing their behavior so as to get what they want in a man, but they are settling for less than they want and losing interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/15 12:38 AM
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Yes, both sides are almost completely lacking in objective data, because social science is almost never worthy of the name. I treat TRP as a bunch of anecdotes and hypotheses to try in my own life, because they have good explanations for experiences of mine which I could never understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/15 04:29 AM
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No ethics board would allow the intrusive monitoring that would provide actual data, so they settled for believing what people say about themselves. That's what phrases like "individual assessment" and "asked to report" mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/15 03:29 AM
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It's predicting responses to behavior that I take seriously. Paris does not have an international prototype hedon in a jar. There is nothing objective against which to normalize an introspective measure. This is where social science decays into philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 06:22 AM
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Your reported satisfaction is not only subjective but dependent on your expectations of a relationship. Even if people were honest and self-aware, comparing survey answers is ridiculous. Who's going home alone more often? Who's yelling less and fucking more? Because of human subjects, nobody is being monitored well enough to yield the objective data that would be worth a damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 04:32 AM
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We want to display whichever traits women respond to. We certainly didn't choose them to suit our preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 09:09 AM
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I never understood women prefer men who stand up for themselves, and fuck them mostly. I thought I was doing what I was supposed to, and that it would be appreciated. I stumbled into TRP after I had completely run out of hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:01 AM
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What I believed as an adult was my fault, but I have no compunction about blaming others for what they made me believe as a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 02:42 AM
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People date each other for several reasons, some of which are lacking in lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 02:19 AM
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Nobody else explained women's preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 02:17 AM
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You can't win a fight with HR; no amount of bravery or even being right will fix being unemployable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 04:11 PM
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My worldview is that we are not reliable witnesses to our own behavior. If someone read tea leaves for us, I wouldn't address the implications of that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:48 PM
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It's plausible but this isn't hard data. When you survey people, you don't get what they will do, just what they're willing to admit they believe they might.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:15 PM
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Do you have any opinions that you would be reluctant to express in front of a group of your peers? If the answer is no, you might want to stop and think about that. If everything you believe is something you're supposed to believe, could that possibly be a coincidence? - Paul Graham
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 04:17 AM
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Not fear you, fear losing you. If nobody else would gladly have you, she's going to start wondering what's wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 05:15 AM
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mold oneself into a valuable (as in, possessing of skills valuable to society) and upstanding individual, and as a result, women who share your work ethic and values will take interest in you We've all seen women favor athletes, pop stars, and vaguely menacing losers. They did not evolve to filter on traits useful to modern society, and we can't just decide that should be their job now. Take it from me, it's all too easy to waste years on trying to deserve it rather than work on the unrelated tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 03:02 AM
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dat influence doe
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:29 PM
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Mainstream feminism and TRP only relate to social "science", which is largely self-reported self-selected garbage because you can't impose controlled and blinded experiments on an unbiased selection of human beings. Only the postmodernist lunatic fringe of feminism has been attacking objective hard science.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:19 PM
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I'm just a lurker so I don't really know what motivates the major contributors, but there might be a payoff in new ideas. Many crafts and professions used to advance much more slowly when they were made up of small guilds jealously guarding their secrets.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 11:44 PM
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Better for whom? Certainly not me, nor for women who want a desirable partner. I do have other interests. But you could ask me at pretty much any time "would you rather have sex right now and get back to what you're doing in an hour or two" and my answer would be "hell yeah."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:05 PM
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I don't believe we can change women's preferences, so I want a society in which men understand the connection between gender roles and lust and know the high cost of renouncing masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 09:27 PM
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As the old rant goes, "You seem like a great worker. We will never hire you. But we will complain to you about the guys we hired instead of you."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 08:40 PM
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[...] young men suffering from mental illness unable to ask for help for fear it would make them look less “macho” [...] If men don’t have to be aggressive in order to be accepted [...] Both men and women should feel free to be sensitive. I want men to take up this mantle [...] also so that their sons have permission to be vulnerable and human too—reclaim those parts of themselves they abandoned and in doing so be a more true and complete version of themselves. She advocated men behave in ways t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:10 PM
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justify your personal [...] failures I'm looking to understand them and end them. So I'm hearing out the opposition in case they have more plausible explanations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:52 PM
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Half of the woman's descendants will be male. If her sons and grandsons have what it takes to get laid without commitment, her line will do well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:04 PM
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The men who run society don't deposit paychecks into bank accounts which a judge can seize. They face other threats, largely from each other. The other 99.9% of us have no more power than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 08:22 PM
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Most of what TRP says about men is feel-good bullshit, because it's women's behavior they are motivated to pay attention to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 07:18 PM
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You want to be like this guy? I really don't. It goes against the way I was raised. But he's much more successful than I've ever been, and I need to understand why to decide how much like him I need to be. There's far too high a price for refusing and being what I want to be. The women who married him are the type of women you desire? Unlike some at TRP, I'm just starting and haven't had enough that I can afford any kind of standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:40 AM
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There are men in positions of power who can certainly deal with men's issues. Powerful men don't care about weak men, because that caring is not how you achieve power. Actually weak men (unlike women) have very little sympathy from anyone, which is why men's rights is pretty much DOA.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:16 PM
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What most of us wanted was for "you're a great guy, be yourself and you'll find someone who appreciates it" to be true. Now we have an explanation why it never was.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:02 PM
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Don't waste your life waiting for someone to show up thinking you're perfect just the way you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 04:41 AM
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If what you say is true, that lots of women are attracted (ie turned on by) to abusers, men would go around advertising that they are abusive. Not when they don't know it. The point of TRP is that many men have been misled about what women are viscerally drawn towards. A woman doesn't brag about how her guy abuses her. They aren't proud of going back to these men, yet it's said to happen quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 05:05 PM
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Dude making clothing gets distracted by being bi, forgets what clothing is for, and the courtiers call him "provocative". If a regular guy (not a model) can wear this and get laid, then it might be interesting, but I'll let someone else try it first. It shows confidence but not social aptitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 01:14 AM
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And you think he is worse than other people just for reasons you deem appropriate. "Good person" is not objective, it's merely a name for behavior that doesn't get me laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:21 PM
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I'm not at all interested in what anyone thinks of my life. I'm very interested in what men have slowly figured out what women actually desire and probably why. The negativity stems from debunking the lies I wasted years trying to fulfill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:50 PM
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If only someone hated me enough to pay a lot of attention to what I do and behave in ways that turn me on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 12:30 AM
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social science That isn't an actual thing. Doing the necessary experiments on human subjects isn't allowed. Im sorry, but there really is no other way to phrase this: youre a bad person You say that as if it means anything more than "I can't refute your statement but it makes me doubleplus unhappy." Save it for SRS, it doesn't work on us.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 12:14 AM
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Yeah, I can buy that they aren't very interested in the average man, but they aren't all chasing the 1% either, or we'd be seeing harems by the dozen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 07:43 AM
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outspoken internet feminist That's trolling. Those people aren't motivated like actual rapists, they are just making empty threats around whatever they assume will hurt most. If the average internet feminist were more worried about losing their home, they would be getting empty arson threats instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 04:03 AM
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Everyone in /r/deadbedrooms also has a partner. Did the studies measure how much sex they were actually getting when they committed rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 03:27 AM
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People who steal food or squat in buildings are viewed somewhat sympathetically. They don't want to acknowledge sex as a similar need because then rapists wouldn't all be depraved monsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 02:27 AM
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Being dead makes you a complete pushover, with bad muscle tone yet. Not a good sexual strategy at all. Men in despair should pay for it before they give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 02:14 AM
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Well the guy flapping his arms is clearly swimming. I'm not convinced I have to settle for a lesser goal. the sap looking for the plane need to stop running and find him self That's not a thing outside bad romcom plots. Because self actualized people don't need groupies or fools to validate them TRP is not a sub for validation strategy. I don't know how we can say more plainly that the goal is sex. The most dominate person in the room is the person with the confidence to give up control. That mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 03:07 AM
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Who is more dominant, the guy who keeps flapping his arms or the sap who looks for an airplane?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 12:17 AM
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About the same age, but I was doing most everything TRP says not to do, and am no longer surprised how badly it worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 05:00 PM
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Everything. I skim TRP and ignore what isn't about what women respond to and why, because my life already works really well otherwise. A lot of guys are going to say lift and dress well, but not me. That stuff wouldn't be relevant if not for women's ancient preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 04:43 PM
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To me, PUA sounded like ridiculous voodoo until TRP explained why women have such bizarre preferences. I.e., civilization encourages traits that would have gotten me killed over much of our evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 04:05 PM
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Standards? As a boy I pursued literally any girl that showed the slightest interest. My success rate was zero and it just made it obvious how desperate I was. You have to look like you probably have better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 03:49 PM
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He hated us. He thought he deserved to have women fall into his lap without even bothering to talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 12:01 AM
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If she never liked it, that's one thing (and not a dealbreaker for me). If she enjoyed it with another guy, that means she isn't really into me that much, and I should be looking for someone else for whom I can be the best she's ever had.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 04:13 PM
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TRP tries to explain how and why those things are attractive and other things aren't (despite being more relevant in the modern world). If women were into submarine repair, that's what we would be talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 04:08 PM
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"Punching up" is more privilege bullshit. They're just looking for excuses to hate someone without it making them feel like bad people. It didn't sit quite right with me that Asian men's anger phase is more strictly moderated than other men's. But I'm just a lurker and it isn't my sub to endure moderating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 01:21 AM
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That study only controlled for conscious deception (and confirmed that was happening). As far as I can tell, none of the studies ever attempted to control for women not being completely aware of their own motivations. The unstated assumption is that you can ask and get the right answer, which is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 02:13 AM
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speed-dating events in which participants rated the importance of attractiveness and status among... informed that untruthful responses would be detected... tally counters to record the number of times that they thought about... nationally distributed survey and also interviewed... responded to hypothetical casual sex offers... TRP has noticed that what women respond to doesn't match what they say. Surveys of what they remember or are willing to admit they hypothetically want are useless social …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 01:19 AM
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Lagerfeld has apparently been out as gay since the 1970s. The quotes don't have any sexual strategy for straight men, nor should we expect any from him. For a RP celebrity, a while ago I would have said Sean Connery, now I'm not sure. Edit: I was mistaken, he's not out. But he seems to have been romantically linked to men and not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 05:22 AM
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"What are you saying ... bro?" "She friendzoned-ed me!" "You have done that to yourself." ... "You should have told me you liked her. Hos come after bros! I would have totally been cool about it."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 05:03 AM
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Rape is a good strategy for a warlord. If you lead your army to enslave enough women, they'll be fine with you taking more than your share of the hottest ones. Thus Genghis Khan's famous legacy. Rape was a bad strategy for a random guy in a tribe. Your peers would not let you rape their mates and live. Leaving the safety of the tribe was a good way to get enslaved or killed by whoever you run into. Rapists and serial killers are actually safer today thanks to anonymity and the general reluctance…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 08:40 PM
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Mid-40s. Had a couple of serious live-in relationships but the spark faded away (on her part) for reasons I couldn't understand at the time, the last of which ended about ten years ago. Since then I've mostly been paying for it. TRP is the first hope I've had for a very long time, and it comes from understanding why women prefer men that don't fit into what the modern world values in us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 06:55 AM
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I didn't feel this way as a kid. You might be surprised how a man changes after years of failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 06:15 AM
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being physically attractive does not immunize you from rejection, you have to have other qualities too. Sure, but asking won't tell you which qualities actually help. That only tells you what they're comfortable admitting that they think they like. And every recovering nice guy knows that much of what they think they like is bullshit. Sure, anecdotes make crappy evidence, but surveys are completely worthless and experiments that would be valid are forbidden if not impossible. It's not as if doub…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 06:02 AM
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TRP is more like a mask, a change we make to ourselves to be more attractive. It's you who chose a more violent metaphor, and I don't see what would make it more applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 05:46 AM
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Demonstrating respect is sexy. Many of us wasted years learning the hard way that it doesn't work that way. If it did, nobody would have had any reason to start TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 05:30 AM
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That study has the usual blind spot that women's statements about men don't match their revealed preferences. They should observe who actually gets laid, not ask hypothetically.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 04:29 PM
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When a RP man worries about whether a woman will remain passionate and committed, "several two-year relationships" is not what will reassure him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 08:03 AM
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Seven million women chuckled at a six second video and clicked "follow". That does not mean seven million women want to fuck him, or even remember his name a week later. He can't go crazy with the ads, and $100k/week is only $5M/year. That puts him in the top 1% for a couple years, and if he's smart he'll never need a job, but it's not as if he can buy an island of polynesian hotties or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 05:36 AM
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Sure, but only because the advice women want is very specific. If a woman just wanted lots of sex with any available man, she could ask a magic 8 ball.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 11:45 PM
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Women marry up. The more successful she is, the weaker I start to look in comparison and the harder it will be to stay happy with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 11:04 PM
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PUAHate was not a "TRP-type forum". They flatly rejected our ideas, and with them, hope. Despair is what makes someone dangerous, usually to themself but sometimes others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 08:20 PM
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The red flag seems to be lots of partners rather than lots of sex. (Though I don't share this preference with most of RP.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 05:56 PM
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Why does everyone forget that Rodger hated TRP? "I’m the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentleman" is blue pill nice guy turned up to eleven.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 01:52 PM
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it's listed as one of four items in the sidebar Hmm, that's disappointing. are you familiar with k style vs r style life strategies? I'll read some more of that stuff. So far I haven't found it compelling because parents don't have much latitude for reducing their investment if they want a baby to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:47 AM
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shelter is not comparable to sex. if you think it is, it speaks to how important it is for you. Yup. We disagree whether my attitude or yours is more typical of men. I say every mammal has a near-limitless physiological need for sex in at least one of the two sexes, or it would have been outbred long ago. Our need for shelter is much more recent, which is why it's only conscious behavior that doesn't go unnecessarily beyond the actual hazards nearby. explain the role of mgtow in red pill if avoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 01:10 AM
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if you enjoy sex but are not addicted to it, why would you suffer in it's absence? Here in California, there were homeless people sleeping on the sidewalks last night. That's survivable but they were suffering. Would you say they are addicted to shelter? Are you promoting self-abnegation? how the hell did we fight wars if the average person suffers without sex. "Joy division". "Comfort women". Hell, WWII created city-sized brothels in southeast Asian ports, and the military was putting up poster…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 10:21 PM
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This is cause rather than effect. Like any other drive, people handle deprivation of sex and validation differently. The men who suffer the most and for whom the web is a major part of their social life (and there's a sizable overlap between those groups) are more likely to be motivated enough to stumble across the obscure Red Pill. I think a lot of BP men are also suffering but don't know what to do. What I did was mostly try not to think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 09:51 PM
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Doing more than you used to is getting over hangups. Doing less makes "comfortable enough" a euphemism for being blasé about keeping or losing your partner because they aren't the best you've ever had.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 02:19 AM
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Oh yeah? Well, same to you!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 01:37 AM
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None. Religion was another set of lies society told so that we would be more easily used, maybe in return for a monogamous partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 10:13 PM
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Historically only very few privileged people were at any risk for obesity. We all have genes for storing rare excess calories because it was very adaptive until this time and place. As a fat guy my weight is my fault; this is what my body was supposed to do with what I used to eat. I think both obesity and anorexia are unattractive as drastic departures from the ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 01:13 AM
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If a woman wants me to value her accomplishments as much as my own, fine, that's entirely plausible. If she wants me to value them as much as sex, well no, that's not going to happen until I am nearly on my deathbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 11:13 PM
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Has there ever been a society anywhere in which prostitution is primarily women hiring men? If it's almost always men who pay for it, don't you think that says men are very different?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 11:05 PM
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r-selected species massively overbreed and ignore their offspring, some of whom survive anyway. This isn't even an option for human beings as we are. It's extremely rare for a woman to have more than two babies in nine months, and being utterly helpless they will always die when neglected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 03:08 PM
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Do you have any opinions that you would be reluctant to express in front of a group of your peers? If the answer is no, you might want to stop and think about that. If everything you believe is something you're supposed to believe, could that possibly be a coincidence? - Paul Graham
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 12:43 AM
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Brendan Eich lost his dream job by advocating Prop. 8, which was a sufficiently mainstream position to pass a popular vote, simply because it offended the wrong people. TRP is thoughtcrime in today's society, and "you will not literally be executed" is not a compelling rationale for promoting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 12:38 AM
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Society is full of professional educators, authors, and film directors. Parents are amateurs on their first or second try and who only know what they were taught (i.e., bullshit that may work for a while with luck). Why single them out?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 10:13 AM
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Why are straight and gay dating so different? If women shared men's motivations the world would be a giant orgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 09:57 PM
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My honest opinion is that this is probably very arousing, but I would never dare try because I don't want to go to prison if she actually changes her mind about accepting me. If you want an argument against this, there you go. Urging censorship just makes him look right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 08:52 PM
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Men are not objective about our own behavior. When TRP waxes poetic about how noble men are, that's bullshit I just ignore. The takeaway is not to expect women to be as noble as pop culture taught us. We are all hormonally motivated apes. As for the original question, I got nothing. I haven't seen men dump women who were happy and treating them well. I think we're tempted to cheat rather than trade up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 02:30 AM
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"How would FAA rules apply against a man who levitates?" "Men can't levitate because gravity." "What about a man who isn't affected by gravity? You'd be angry at him, right?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 02:24 AM
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The SJWs have a point about how white idiots riot all the time over sports, and don't get the same vitriol for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 09:38 PM
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Fear of cheating and cuckoldry has made most men prefer women who are choosy and loyal. I don't know why we'd ever expect a visceral reaction to another man's sex life. Women are entitled to worry about it but they mostly don't because a son who can get laid is good for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 10:25 AM
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Feel bad for the guys who never understand why their partners lost interest and don't know how to turn their lives around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 10:27 PM
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Having been BP until about 40, I've realized that for for me, no, they do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 07:30 PM
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I've been paying for it often enough to stay sane, but I can afford to see kind and healthy middle-aged women with apartments. But even I remember that a woman who wants drugs or money is not a great substitute for a woman who wants sex. It's weird how you assume Henry's partners must be getting something out of it other than being with him, and that they're so unkempt and dangerous that the author would actually choose celibacy based on nothing he said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 09:17 AM
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After a decade of romcom pop culture convincing me that pining is expected, only complete despair would make me move on. I did figure this out before TRP but it took a really long time. God I wish I'd understood this stuff at 16.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 10:35 AM
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If all you want is a warm hole to put your dick in, or a man to sit beside you on the sofa while you watch tv, you can get that. Just set the bar low enough, which is the exact strategy people like Henry and his wives are using. Just lower the bar? I think you're severely overestimating the options the author used to have. There's an entire industry around making false promises of "find someone to fuck tonight". How often do you think those guys turn anyone down? If you know where to find a mass…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 10:13 AM
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TRP doesn't advocate, it just tries to describe and explain what seems to work. I will probably never have it in me to actually be an abuser, so I have to accept the penalty of being less successful with women. But at least I'll know there's a good reason that I probably wouldn't change. After food, shelter, and sex, the rest of my life is way down the list of priorities. The rest of my life is actually going well, but if that mattered I wouldn't be here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 09:28 AM
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This. Not every failing at acting masculine becomes a success at acting feminine, there's an uncanny valley of being too weird for either. And "this role is wrong for you" is not the same as "this role is bad." I can get arrested for acting like I'm a cop, but actually being a cop is respected by many.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 04:25 AM
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I looked down on jocks and sports my whole childhood and quite a ways beyond it, because that shit shouldn't matter in the modern world. I didn't get that women's preferences have not been reshaped by the modern world, so strength still matters like peacock feathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 12:44 AM
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Masculinity didn't change. What changed is that women are no longer forced to survive by pairing off and settling down with men lacking in it. Now women are free, and we're seeing what they wanted all along. In the short term it's good for them, but the end of monogamy is tremendously destabilizing, as the world's Elliot Rodgers realize they are being left out in the cold. We no longer have war and exploration to get rid of surplus men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 09:02 PM
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/r/DeadBedrooms is full of people in despair and suffering because they and their partners were taught to deprioritize sex below other needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:26 PM
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I have a touch of yellow fever and my closest relationship was with a black nerd. I really don't give a shit about "human biodiversity" or "race realism" in any way. I'm just here for the sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:01 PM
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That pretty much describes me, except that sex is an emotional need without which all word and gestures ring hollow. It's recognition as a member of her species rather than a useful pet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 01:50 PM
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Only if he understood what to change about himself and why it matters to women. Lots of guys are wasting effort on stuff that's useless or harmful to their image because they don't know any better. They think women have changed and begun judging men by modern values.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:52 AM
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Often enough that the glans penis evolved with a ridge to scoop out other semen. And it doesn't have to be a big public gangbang; a woman might get pregnant by any man she fucked in the last three days.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:31 AM
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Many guys like me are too thirsty to be at all selective. I'd totally fuck a 3/10 woman. But without socially imposed monogamy, they don't settle for 3/10 men. They wait for a 6/10 man to have an off night, or they go home alone. Luckily for me, I don't have to look better than Chris Hemsworth, I just have to look better than http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:16 PM
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The way you naturally behave is the most effective thing you could possibly do. Because women always respond to sincerity and never to anything else, or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/14 01:34 AM
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I was more than ready to go at 14. Mental health professionals say it's often harmful but I'll confess I don't understand what makes it so. I couldn't get any until 19 and that certainly damaged me. I'd probably go for a 16 year old if there were no consequences. But I'll probably settle for a 40 year old (I'm mid 40s).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 07:30 AM
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Motivation would be convincing me to do something. "Be yourself" was just the opposite, it convinced me there wasn't anything I should do about my plight, just wait patiently for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/14 11:57 PM
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RP readers who hate women are doing it wrong. We each have to get over being disappointed and angry that women never wanted what we were assured they want, recognize what they do want, and display that. Evolution made her as much as me, and the lies I believed about her decades ago are not her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 04:39 PM
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Part of TRP is that self-expression is not automatically the best sexual strategy. The women who lust for your body typically bed women, so they may have different preferences than we talk about. Consider whether identity validation is at the top of the list of what you need from a lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 04:25 PM
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Marriage used to be a commitment to sex and fidelity in return for support of the resulting family. Now cheating and/or dead bedrooms have no consequence, child support is enforced separately regardless of any relationship, and marriage is merely an agreement to pool your money until you decide you want to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 03:59 PM
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Before TRP I couldn't believe there was such a thing as "too nice." That doesn't make any sense if women actually want what I had been assured they want. As for whether it works, I'm just starting but so far it's much more desirable than old me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 03:39 PM
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These ideas aren't appealing because they're selfish. I'd be much happier if I could go on being considerate and giving the way I was raised. No, these ideas are bitterly tempting because they make sense, and they explain how I unwittingly smothered the spark out of every relationship I've been in. I don't want to be a selfish asshole, but I also want a life worth living, so the cost of refusing is too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 07:38 AM
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Well, we know what those parents were consciously willing to say in public, but not how they may feel or how their relationships are holding up. It seems to me that our problem is that women's desires have not changed to match their stated preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 01:40 PM
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"This is what women have always responded to, and it made sense in a brutal time. Doesn't it suck how everyone convinced you civilization made these traits obsolete and you should suppress them now?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 11:46 PM
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Three reposts in two hours isn't useful.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/14 07:08 PM
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To be fair, she didn't cheat during the marriage, just got busted on her frigid act.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/14 05:20 PM
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This. We all know RP conflicts with what we were brought up to value, and I find it advances a few kind of stupid ideas. If someone can do better at explaining why women's motivations are so different than mine, I definitely want to see it. So far BP doesn't have much to offer, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 03:18 AM
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What his kids get isn't up to him. The mother could spend it all on herself without any consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 02:51 AM
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Puff Daddy pays more than that every month, and it's not because his kids are somehow more of a burden. Pretty much every state applies a formula taking into account the non-custodial parent's income but not the realistic needs of a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 01:56 PM
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Child support is under-the-table alimony. Otherwise it would be based on the cost of raising a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 06:53 PM
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I don't think TRP believes exceptions literally don't exist, just that most of us can't realistically depend on finding one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 06:45 PM
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TRP makes guys bitter. I was far more bitter when I was behaving the way society taught me to value, and didn't understand why I was failing. It precludes them having relationships with equals. I could be happy with an equal. I just don't think she would long term. "Alpha" male with subservient wife = beta children. Do more masculine women have more children? If it's recessive, why didn't this happen ages ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:44 PM
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I think only extreme outliers can succeed in the zero sum world you're describing. It can't ever be a relevant sexual strategy for a majority of men. And I'm not convinced a significant number of women have lustful fantasies about androgynous i-bankers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:15 PM
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As a man, I don't give a shit what other men think of me. Not displaying masculinity has always come at the price of losing women's desires. TRP just tries to explain why that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:04 PM
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Like waking up in an all-you-can-eat buffet, and browsing around looking for an amazing dish while wishing people would stop raving about food because she isn't very hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 04:19 AM
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RP man: I couldn't be a straight woman because I find men repulsive. I think lesbians have at least as much trouble getting laid as straight men, and I'd miss what I consider actual sex. Being in a woman's body and spending a weekend in bed playing with it sounds like fun, but I don't think I'd want to stay that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/14 05:57 AM
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Every recovering nice guy has realized that the prosocial behavior we were raised to show is bad sexual strategy, at least beyond small doses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 06:40 AM
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My first clumsy efforts were dramatically better received than usual. I have a lot of work to do but I'm hopeful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 01:30 AM
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What's to explain? If it actually worked this way, every nice guy would be smothered in ass, rather than lamenting how his crushes stay with assholes they complain about. And we don't automatically believe women's opinions about why they're drawn to who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 01:13 AM
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Resilience is also human. It's probably a scale we need to stay towards one end of, not a cliff we can't verge over even once. Explanations of how women's preferences were healthy in a less civilized world tend to make more sense than just branding them dysfunctional for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 10:45 PM
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Well, most relationships do fail. 95% sounds high, though. How many relationships are still in the honeymoon phase right now? Even if we're right about vulnerability eroding lustful attraction, it takes time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 10:31 PM
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If AWALT then I'd much rather be single than have to live a life pretending to be some "alpha" I'm not, wouldn't you? Hell no. Either you aren't taking the possibility seriously or we're very different, because I would not want to live through a year without being desired and without hope of changing that. I would settle really fast. Only I don't think I'd be settling, because I shouldn't expect a woman to feel exactly the way I do about protecting and comforting a partner. That's the kind of "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 04:20 AM
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Wanting your partner to be strong and reliable rather than helpless doesn't make anyone a piece of shit. This frequent preference makes sense and we shouldn't demonize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 04:49 PM
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Our theory is that lots of guys will put up with this but you will not stay interested in them. Whether this is a problem depends on who you will want to be with in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 07:40 PM
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does this make red pill an inherently democratic, collectivist model? as the group valuation trumps individual valuation. Commodity markets have futures contracts and other arrangements that allow a speculator to profit by predicting what other traders will want, even when the speculator themselves has no demand for the commodity. A relationship isn't something you can cash in (except through divorce, which extracts the value of his labor rather than his desirability) so it has no exchange-value…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 07:20 PM
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If you want a long term relationship, you should be worried that either she doesn't or hers tend to fail within six months. At least a few of those 30 guys are better in bed than you, and it's going to be a long time if ever before she forgets what she's missing out on. But I think the visceral reaction some guys have is a paternity doubt holdover from prehistory.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:42 AM
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I have a lot of work to do, but what little I tried first has given me more hope than I've had in a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:55 AM
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Literally everything that isn't a direct quote or a peer-reviewed study is the poster's opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 10:15 PM
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I think it's a reference to the occasional claims that men are more honorable and trustworthy than women. I think that stuff is delusional (men are no better than we are required to be) but don't really care; it's not men I'm trying to understand. Therapy doesn't change what women are turned on by.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 09:33 PM
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Women judge partners (probably unconsciously) because they have always had more at stake from sex. It sounds like you've noticed how rare the exceptions are. RP is trying to display what they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 01:53 AM
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Religion is a basis for many lies we were told growing up to make us easier to use. It does tend to enforce monogamy and compel women to pair up with average men, which sucks for them but is a good way to avoid revolt. Like RP, this is one of those things I don't talk about openly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 01:36 AM
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That's not at all what it communicates. "Be yourself" is not only useless but actively misleading to someone who must change to meet their needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 08:35 PM
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"I'll break up with you if you don't have sex with me." I think this is emotional manipulation, which, while reprehensible, is not illegal. How does one handle this in a way you don't consider reprehensible? Break up without any warning? Surely you aren't required to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 02:51 PM
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"I don't expect any empathy for fucking a charming neurosurgeon." Okay then. I like how he's single as far as she knows. She carefully didn't notice that this guy she's been talking to for a while never actually said one way or the other.
/r/TheRedPill27/09/14 11:51 PM
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"Why is sleeping with a black person any different than sleeping with a transsexual person?" It's an actual argument I've seen, as if political correctness could ever overpower sexual orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/14 11:17 PM
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TRP is adamantly opposed to policing of speech in service of an agenda. I think this is partly just a backlash. And no amount of dissimulating is going to stop the mainstream from noticing our crimethink.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/14 10:01 PM
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Nobody intends to go out and be fooled by a transsexual partner who doesn't disclose. Like cheating, I doubt many people can predict how they might respond (revulsion? anger? numbness?) at the moment they're confronted with the reality of it. Some can be violent, and we don't have to approve of that to recognize that it's likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 07:19 PM
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I don't, but women do, so that's what I have to do for a satisfying life. I find it horrible to advocate boys avoid masculinity without understanding what they're also giving up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 02:11 AM
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I guess the question from there is, what if you do act like yourself and no girls like you? It's safe to say the majority of TRP have faced that firsthand, at the urging of pretty much everyone we knew as well as pop culture. I never would have knowingly accepted such a high price.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 09:08 PM
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Sex. Attraction is a crucial motivation for gender roles, whether or not Ms. "English guys are very restrained; I doubt I'll date one again" has really considered that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:59 PM
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I'd personally be miserable if I would follow the traditional gender idea of 'masculinity'. Meanwhile I was miserable when I wasn't showing masculinity, because nobody warned me how much women actually prefer that. I doubt that will ever change, whatever ideals they may claim to hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:17 PM
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Darning socks is antiquated; a week's worth from a factory cost about $6. Horsemanship is antiquated; 99% of people will never think "if only I could ride a horse from here to there" except maybe one entertaining experience. Performing a gender role is not antiquated because doing it well or badly still has life-changing consequences only slightly below food and shelter. When her objective comes at a cost she doesn't talk about, it's a trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 08:03 AM
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One thing I never found anywhere else is an explanation why women have always been attracted to the kind of men I looked down on for lacking the prosocial traits encouraged in me, and that showing vulnerability is repulsive in a way rarely spoken of.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 12:48 AM
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Wouldn't a stoic be less able to empathize with someone carried away in emotions they can't manage?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 08:05 PM
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I trust a partner not to kill me in my sleep, but I'm not going to invite her to hold a knife to my throat as a goodwill gesture. Claiming it's rare doesn't make sense when the stats say it's more common than traffic accidents. Testing should be mandatory, both so society stops rewarding cheating and as a healthcare issue for the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 07:48 PM
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Were those men fired? I would not expect to get away with that anywhere I worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 08:11 PM
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Men have honor! Men don't rationalize! Bullshit. Most men are no better than we are demanded to be, and we have rarely been more superfluous than now. Maaaybe we're less driven to trade up in partners, but even there I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 08:33 AM
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Jerking off isn't even close. When someone wraps their body around you and kisses you fiercely, even knowing it has to be an act, the hormone rush is real. To not just think but know you can definitely have that whenever you need it enough, it relieves the sense of "nobody thought this guy is a good partner" that women are probably steering clear of. RP says it's a mistake for a man to disclose that he's had trouble getting laid, no matter what he did about it. He's better off lying than being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 11:06 PM
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If Elliott Rodger had been white, he still would have been an insane incel who hated women for choosing other men, and the men for being able to pick them up.
/r/TheRedPill14/09/14 06:44 PM
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This double standard seems inevitable. A man who's bad at pursuing has a low count, while a woman who's bad at choosing has a high count. As for me, I only got to seven by my mid 30s, plus at least a dozen pros in the following decade (I tend to see the same ones or it'd be more). I've never felt the distaste other men describe about slutty women, but maybe I'm just too thirsty to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/14 12:31 AM
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If you're going to argue that the merits of celibacy over RP ideas, you need a better example than a guy who hated everything PUA/RP and whose celibacy drove him insane. Sex vs. masturbation makes a measurable difference in hormone levels. As social animals, we should be surprised if being chosen for a mate didn't change us.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/14 12:57 AM
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Yeah, in the face of famine and no medicine, it was a bathtub curve. Child mortality drags down the mean, but if you made it to 10 you'd probably make it past 50. And successful tribes did not stop at replacement levels.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 09:55 PM
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I like big docks and I can not lie You other sailors can't deny That when a mate walks in with an itty bitty line And a gangway in your face You get moored ...sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 09:08 PM
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Thinking about what you deserve isn't useful, it can only lead to resentment. What you get is what you create yourself or persuade someone to want to offer you.
/r/TheRedPill02/08/14 09:26 PM
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I don't think we should overlook that she risks bearing a child of a man she found unworthy.
/r/TheRedPill27/07/14 03:21 AM
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New submissions must be related to sexual strategy, events that affect sexual strategy, theories about sexual strategy, or stories confirming (or challenging) current theories of sexual strategy. This was over two thousand words which don't address differences between men and women in any way. It looks like you're trying to rouse MGTOWs into politics (or possibly performance art). Why would TRP be interested?
/r/TheRedPill04/07/14 09:20 PM
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Consider a society which restricts access to contraception and abortion Condoms are terrible but they aren't exactly hard to find. Making abortion illegal was stupid but never stopped it. defines paying jobs in such a way as to make them incompatible with childbearing and child-rearing TIL expecting employees to actually get useful work done is oppressive. does not provide economic compensation for domestic labor How could it? It takes twenty years to find out whether you have raised a citizen o…
/r/TheRedPill28/06/14 06:43 PM
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Holy shit. This. You will do whatever you believe is the right thing to do. Currently, you believe being a nobody and not making a fuss and not inconveniencing anyone is the right thing to do.
/r/TheRedPill09/06/14 02:11 PM
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AskWomen is so heavily censored that I wouldn't take it as a good measure of what most women would say they want.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/14 06:07 PM
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That wasn't nearly subtle enough for whatever you're trying to accomplish. I don't have a natural sense of dominance, misplaced or otherwise. I'm faking that because women judge us on it.
/r/askTRP31/05/14 06:56 PM
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