ThisAppleThisApple Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
13	How does TRP explain happy feminist relationships that last?	Question for RedPill	ThisAppleThisApple	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 07:35 AM

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1	Red Pill, what are your thoughts on "blue pill" success stories? Can we still get married so I can divorce-rape you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/15 04:23 AM
1	Red Pill, what are your thoughts on "blue pill" success stories? It is pretty clear that women have no idea what they put their beta men through. You do not care for someone when you do that to them. I'm not really blaming the women because they honestly aren't attracted to them, but let us not pretend that it is anything but keeping them in misery while stringing them along. It is treating them like a sucker, even if the women are blind to it and rationalize it away. It is not caring for their men and it is certainly not being passionate. /u/mike918, we have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/15 07:46 PM
1	What do you get from being here? Man, it was kind of a bummer to read the exchanges you linked to--it really seems like you had the best intentions, and I'm sorry you got those responses. On a more positive note, it seems like you're making sure you're the best possible father; your son is really lucky to have you. Also, in case this helps--pro-tip from a reading teacher/assistant principal who's worked with kids from second grade to eighth grade: one of the best ways to make sure boys grow up to think of women as people is by …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/15 04:27 AM
2	What do you get from being here? like expansive affirmative action programs (such as those in STEM fields), lower guilt standards for rape prosecution, laws against catcalling, and mandatory consent education (as some protestors are pushing for right now). What's interesting is that I'd like there to be more women in STEM fields, less rape, less catcalling, and more consent education (Currently a teacher/AP of middle schoolers and holy shit those kids have no idea what they want); I just don't think that the best answer is alwa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/15 03:45 AM
1	Why the male desire for virginity in a female is socially, rather than biologically, driven Yes. Do you understand why that means bonobos are genetically closer to humans than chimps?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/15 03:29 AM
2	What do you get from being here? Right, but those changes are zero-sum. Women advance at the expense of men. I mean, I agree that feminism can bring about specific policy changes that benefit some groups of women, I just don't believe that feminism can bring about a better world in general. Better for some, worse for others. I guess that's how politics works. :( I don't know if that's the case. I mean, certainly there are some issues that work that way because they were rigged unfairly to begin with (having more women on the Su…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/15 03:15 AM
4	What do you get from being here? I don't think you believe it, either. If you believed that you could change gender roles, why would places like Bluepill, SRS, Jezebel, etc - standard-bearers of modern feminism-happily virgin-shame men? I do believe it can be changed. A lot has changed already. 100 years ago, I wouldn't have been allowed to vote. I wouldn't get positive feedback and respect from my male employees. And in terms of the sites you linked to, I'm a radical care feminist--not a liberal feminist; I don't think male vi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/15 01:45 AM
2	Why the male desire for virginity in a female is socially, rather than biologically, driven From the source I linked to in my second reply to rediod6: However, a study published in a recent issue of PLOS Genetics indicates that chimps and bonobos are equally related to the common ancestor they share with humans. While chimps adapted to varied environments, bonobos stayed put in forests and remained in the same environment where they evolved. Their genetic codes have undergone fewer changes than those of chimps. This means that bonobos could be more closely related to humans than chimpa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/15 01:39 AM
4	Why the male desire for virginity in a female is socially, rather than biologically, driven In support of your argument that "male early humans wouldn't care about female virginity or at least throwing the odds in their favor that the children their mate (s) produced weren't theirs," you cited this evidence: One, mate guarding in some forms is seen in almost ALL species whether they be avian, reptiles, mammals and even primates mate guard. I find it very strange that this deep instinct would exclude humans I challenged your evidence (which suggests that because other animals do, we mus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/15 10:42 PM
5	Why the male desire for virginity in a female is socially, rather than biologically, driven One, mate guarding in some forms is seen in almost ALL species whether they be avian, reptiles, mammals and even primates mate guard. But it does not occur in our closest relatives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/15 09:28 PM
8	What do you get from being here? What do I get from being here? Less and less as other BPers give up and the "debate" becomes more and more one-sided. There are a lot of posts, links, and comments on the Red Pill that make me angry, but most of it makes me really, really sad. I think the strategy is hurting women and men, and I guess I come here to try to make one or two guys question some of the fundamental beliefs that TRP is built on. I get that it's impossible to win this debate, because pretty much any time I critique a sp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/15 09:14 PM
0	CMV:Why TBP and TRP cannot understand each other on equal terms No. It's not that I think you have an unfair advantage. That doesn't upset me at all. It's that you are hurting, disrespecting, and manipulating people in order to get what you want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/15 03:52 AM
7	CMV:Why TBP and TRP cannot understand each other on equal terms I can't speak for all TBP users, but the issues you describe TBP being upset with in your post are not even close to what upsets me about TRP. If I thought TRP were just about making yourself look better to attract a majority of women on a superficial level, fine, I guess. I might not agree with your priorities, but you do you. I think the two-ships-passing-in-the-night effect is more a result of THIS IS A BAD WAY TO TREAT PEOPLE vs. BUT IT WORKS. Means vs. outcomes. I'm about to give an extreme…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/15 06:31 PM
1	Poll: who has more extroverts? I'm an ENFP. Doesn't look like there are many "champions" in here. I'm also one half of one of those fabled ENFP-INTJ relationships!	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/15 04:20 PM
3	Western Women are more privileged than Men If you'd watch the fucking video How's that reading coming along?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/15 03:36 AM
5	Western Women are more privileged than Men Also from the book: ...emphasizing male violence against women in a manner which implies that it is more horrendous than all other forms of patriarchal violence does not serve to further the interests of feminist movement. It obscures the reality that much patriarchal violence is directed at children by sexist women and men. In a zealous effort to call attention to male violence against women reformist feminist thinkers still choose often to portray females as always and only victims. The fact t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/15 01:45 AM
7	Western Women are more privileged than Men If it was designed to benefit men AND women, it'd be called "Equalism". I'd be fine with a name change. Trying to convince me that a movement with "fem" in the title is for my benefit is to insult my intelligence. I've read a substantial amount of TRP literature so that I can participate in the debates held in this sub in good faith. I asked you to read fewer than 20 pages of some highly accessible feminist theory since your posts have consistently demonstrated that you don't understand what you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/15 01:35 AM
3	Western Women are more privileged than Men Most feminists argue that feminist thinking can improve the lives of men and women both. Check out pages 55-71 in bell hooks' Feminism is for Everybody, widely considered to be a great introduction to feminism (I'm not digging up crazy feminist fringe beliefs to counter your argument--this is about as mainstream feminist as you can get).	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/15 01:23 AM
-1	Can we create a coherent list of red pill beliefs? And we are not making an "easy 10 minute summary for your usual PPDer to start discussing right off the bat!". She can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think /u/wonderingwhether54 is asking because she doesn't understand the sidebar, but rather because in quite a few one-on-one exchanges in PPD, when a Red Pill user is backed into a corner after a Blue Pill user references or criticizes an aspect of Red Pill theory/strategy that's linked to in the sidebar, the Red Pill user will claim that i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/15 03:33 AM
2	Political Compass Poll Here's mine. Economic Left/Right: -8.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/15 10:29 PM
1	Do RPers understand feminism? Aaaaaaaaaand I'm done with this horrible sub for the day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/15 07:36 PM
1	Do RPers understand feminism? I know that oil rig workers make more than teachers and nurses. However, so do most positions that require comparable degrees and training WITHOUT any risk of life, health, safety, etc. Acknowledge that and respond. I'm done with your red herring of dangerous jobs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/15 06:59 PM
1	Do RPers understand feminism? Are you intentionally missing the point? Or did you not understand? Let me be clearer. Teaching and nursing are female-dominated fields that require advanced degrees and certifications (unlike working on an oil rig), which is how people justify giving higher salaries to other positions that don't ask people risk their lives. Women in female-dominated fields don't want to be paid like they are risking their lives--they want to be paid like the people in male-dominated fields with jobs that requir…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/15 06:46 PM
1	Do RPers understand feminism? Good attempting trying to conflate the two together. Dude, that's actually what the first guy did with his oilfield example, but whatever. I'm an elementary school teacher with a master's degree, and you're ignoring all context and nuance of the typical feminist arguments around the salaries of the female-dominated careers of teaching and nursing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've only heard oversimplified and shitty versions popularized by media. Here's the best argu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/15 02:46 PM
1	Do RPers understand feminism? Feminists want female elementary school teachers to get paid for their easy, safe, job the same amount that oilfield works get despite the fact that last year 138 drillers DIED on the job Sorry--this is an absurd example that ignores all context. Capitalism does not reward risk of death or injury with increased salary as a rule. How many CEOs died in their offices due to their job duties last year? Dentists? Engineers?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/15 07:00 PM
1	Reviewing the OK Cupid study: What it really says vs what the red pill claims it says. This is especially true in a case like this one, where /u/wonderingwhether54 has already shown that context significantly impacts the interpretation of the data that seems to support TRP's 80/20 rule. In the original post, the analysis of messaging data provides important context for the initial attractiveness-judging data, and should change how the attractiveness-judging data is interpreted and used. The messaging data analysis provides this important context by weakening the support of the att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/15 02:50 AM
2	Reviewing the OK Cupid study: What it really says vs what the red pill claims it says. Data on whites men couldn't possibly support his argument about Asians. Actually, the context would prove invaluable in this scenario, since he would presumably be arguing that marketing to that specific group should be different from the marketing targeting other groups. If the data for white men and Asian men were not significantly different, then it would be silly to pitch a unique marketing plan for a group that would already be targeted by the marketing done for another group. If the data w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/15 02:27 AM
1	Reviewing the OK Cupid study: What it really says vs what the red pill claims it says. I did BP and APDA, back in my college days! Are you a debater?? How do you survive this subreddit??! We should have online-therapy-brunch sometime. Anyway, now I'm a 5th grade reading teacher, and I squeeze in a little debate unit every spring to teach kids research and argumentation skills.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/15 11:55 PM
0	Reviewing the OK Cupid study: What it really says vs what the red pill claims it says. Sigh If an individual chooses to deem all data that does not support his or her opinion as "irrelevant," I'm going to be very sceptical of that individual's ability to meaningfully analyze data, because it suggests a flawed approach and an inability to recognize the importance of context when analyzing data. When new data are analyzed, the person analyzing the data should (ideally) look at all pieces of the data without bias in order to understand the broader context for the data he or she plans…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/15 11:52 PM
1	Reviewing the OK Cupid study: What it really says vs what the red pill claims it says. Nope. Cherry picking is not necessarily an intentional fallacy. Confirmation bias can be displayed through an individual's unconscious cherry picking. Cherry picking doesn't always involve choosing desirable evidence while ignoring evidence that contradicts your point; someone who is cherry picking can also choose desirable evidence while ignoring other evidence that, while not necessarily contradictory, provides important context. Like the evidence examined by /u/wonderingwhether54 in the origi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/15 11:13 PM
0	Reviewing the OK Cupid study: What it really says vs what the red pill claims it says. I think it has a number of facts, each which I buy, some of which help the theory, and some which are irrelevant. I am going to bookmark your comment as a real-life example of cherry picking for my debate unit next year!	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/15 10:56 PM
2	To BP women: How can we even pretend feminism isn't about female supremacy? In response to your broader question about what feminism is about, I'm going to copy and paste another comment I've written before on this subreddit: I would really like to have an informed discussion about my feminism with people who buy into TRP strategy and worldview. So, if you'd like to talk feminism, please read the short book Feminism is for Everybody, by bell hooks, and the Wikipedia entry on Care Feminism (closest to my feminism).	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/15 05:32 AM
2	To BP women: How can we even pretend feminism isn't about female supremacy? I have a clarifying question about your claim of affirmative action in academia. Admissions policies vary at different institutions of higher learning, and many liberal arts colleges are currently more likely to accept less-qualified male candidates in order to maintain a gender balance on their campuses. Should people be admitted to college based on merit alone (gender-blind admissions), or do you support the actions of the colleges discussed in the articles linked to?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/15 05:30 AM
3	Do you think feminists believe in feminism, or are they being disingenuous for political/personal gain? I am a feminist because of my beliefs--I do not articulate any positions I do not truly believe in. I would really like to have an informed discussion about my feminism with people who buy into TRP strategy and worldview. So, if you'd like to talk feminism, please read the short book Feminism is for Everybody, by bell hooks, and the Wikipedia entry on Care Feminism (closest to my feminism).	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/15 09:39 PM
1	Blue Pill, do you truly, in your heart, believe all the tactics on Red Pill are abusive, manipulative, and misogynistic? I made myself and my fiancé laugh. You did too, though, so I guess that's not really saying much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/15 09:09 PM
2	Blue Pill, do you truly, in your heart, believe all the tactics on Red Pill are abusive, manipulative, and misogynistic? you are a nonsensical disembodied stream of text Gotcha--let me help. Let me know when you're able to understand me, and we'll continue this debate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/15 08:47 PM
-2	Blue Pill, do you truly, in your heart, believe all the tactics on Red Pill are abusive, manipulative, and misogynistic? If I know that someone was born in one of the southern states, loves Nascar, supports the army, goes to church every Sunday, is against gay marriage, then I can confidently predict they'll almost certainly vote republican. Most of the things you listed are choices and preferences that individual has--not physical characteristics outside of his or her control.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/15 07:20 PM
3	Blue Pill, do you truly, in your heart, believe all the tactics on Red Pill are abusive, manipulative, and misogynistic? cry a little harder please. I'm not. your unreasonable demands and standards What demands and standards? The only demand I made was to be judged by my actions rather than by a physical characteristic I was born with (along with half of the world's population). This is not an unreasonable demand, so you must be referring to something else. demand that perfection hand itself to you When did I demand perfection? and work for you Again, when did I make that demand?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/15 07:02 PM
2	What brought you to Purple Pill Debate? I respected them for bringing up topics that mainstream culture doesn't want to think about, like the extent to which modern feminism pathologizes male sexuality, and how female relationship violence (physical or emotional) goes largely unacknowledged. I hear you--I just feel like there are much healthier spaces where these issues are being discussed that don't also dehumanize and target half of the population. One example that comes to mind is The Good Men Project, especially because they seem …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/15 05:42 PM
2	What brought you to Purple Pill Debate? I saw TRP referenced as a joke, went there, and was really shaken up by what some men thought of women. Deeply disturbed and a little scared. Purple Pill Debate seemed like a nice idea, and it made me feel a little better because it was a little empowering to potentially change some minds or at least be able to try to understand the individuals who make up a movement that's dehumanizing and hateful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/15 12:08 AM
17	Blue Pill, do you truly, in your heart, believe all the tactics on Red Pill are abusive, manipulative, and misogynistic? Much of the theory of The Red Pill is absurd and dehumanizing. It is a framework or lens that asks adherents to view me as a lesser being because of immutable characteristics rather than my achievements, personality, preferences, or choices. It demands prejudice. I demand to be viewed as a human being who is the sum of her achievements, personality, preferences, and choices. I reject any framework that assigns intent and attempts to predict my choices based on my vagina rather than on my history…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/15 12:03 AM
5	As a woman, have you ever been turned on by a man boasting about the number of women he's had sex with? No. That is a turn-off. Related: my fiancé and I have been watching Outlander, and we think it's funny how the romantic interest of the protagonist is obviously written to be an impossibly perfect man who makes all the ladies watching at home swoon. The sexual history of this perfect guy? Well: "Does it bother you that I'm not a virgin?" He hesitated a moment before answering. "Well, no," he said slowly, "so long as it doesna bother you that I am."	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/15 04:57 AM
5	Why aren't millenials banging? Aren't those reasons the same?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/15 04:27 AM
2	Is it safe to assume the red pillers are just plain smarter than blue pillers? Yup. Now with pastries?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/15 02:55 AM
1	How does TRP explain happy feminist relationships that last? I'm not sure how you can assert that the patriarchy wasn't real for second-wave feminism (once again, like "feminism," "waves" of feminism are in fact made up of many different feminisms, typically defined retrospectively, and are not cohesive movements and chapters dictated by some feminist queen declaring when one wave ends and the next begins). While "first-wave" feminism was mostly interested in legal barriers to equality, second-wave took on institutional barriers. I'm completely lost as to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 10:40 PM
1	How does TRP explain happy feminist relationships that last? That's my issue with real equal relationships. There is no permanence. Which I guess is a good thing if you pride yourself on being a woman who doesn't "need" a man in your life, but not such a good thing if you want to win a contest of having "better" relationships. Being able and willing to change a relationship as often as you buy a new pair of shoes is not the mark of devotion and loyalty required for a good relationship. Good long term relationships are not frivolous or disposable. I agree …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 05:05 AM
1	How does TRP explain happy feminist relationships that last? Are you willing to concede that all of TRP "field reports" and other anecdotal evidence is useless as well? Regardless, check my post again. I was giving the examples not to prove that egalitarian relationships are the norm, easy, natural, or any other claim that would be, to redpillers, akin to suggesting sorcery. I was simply seeing if you all are capable of recognizing that relationships without redpill power dynamics can lead to a couple's happiness. The examples were not offered as proof, a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 04:40 AM
1	How does TRP explain happy feminist relationships that last? Thanks for this response. I don't disagree with anything you've said, and while I know a RP dynamic wouldn't make me happy, I don't doubt that it can make some people happy. The responses like yours that acknowledge that the TRP isn't what's best for everyone, that fulfilling egalitarian relationships can exist, and that the strategies and principles of TRP (and RPW) are a way--rather than the only way--to be happy have honestly made me think a little better of TRP. The guys posting who can't re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 12:33 AM
2	How does TRP explain happy feminist relationships that last? I do believe in the patriarchy and rape culture, as does my fiance. I wouldn't necessarily define or react to those concept in the same way as the feminists whose views you find nonsensical. There isn't one unified feminist movement with total ideological consistency between all individual members. In this context, I mean egalitarian, seeing each other as equal partners who care about each other and each other's goals and happiness. I also mean that our roles in the relationship are not determin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 12:20 AM
1	If someone is horribly betrayed by their SO, does your attitude toward the victim change depending on their gender? I really need to stop expecting you guys to ever admit that your arguments are wrong (in this case, "The entire history of famous women is women doing things men have already done...") when I respond with clear evidence to the contrary! It's shifting-platform city up in here! It must be emotionally distressing for you to search for examples. Substantially less emotionally distressing than buying into your unfounded claim that all famous women are just doing things that men have already done, act…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 04:45 PM
1	TBP does not "dox" people Dude. Your initial accusation was that /u/HarrietPotter was attempting to doxx "Ilana" because she googled the information that was posted in TBP. Your own story seems to indicate that you were attempting to doxx her but failed in execution. You seem to know an incredible amount of information that you have posted on the blue pill and admit to googling around to link it to her real life. Remember when you said that? You were wrong. That googling makes sense with the context she provided in respo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 10:26 AM
2	If someone is horribly betrayed by their SO, does your attitude toward the victim change depending on their gender? Just some evidence you might want to consider before the case is closed: Amelia Earhart was the first pilot--male or female--to make several flights, in addition to setting several speed and altitude records. Lise Meitner was the first scientist to explain the theory behind nuclear fission after she and her partner discovered it. Ada Lovelace is considered to be the first computer programmer...over a hundred years before you could buy a MacBook. During the American Revolution, Sybil Ludington ro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 07:30 AM
2	TBP does not "dox" people You were suggesting that /u/HarrietPotter was "attempting to doxx her." I posted to show you that you were wrong, since what you were suggesting was an unfair accusation. You should probably apologize to /u/HarrietPotter in light of the new information that shows your accusation was unfounded rather than just picking something else to criticize. Shifting platform, much?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 06:35 AM
8	TBP does not "dox" people /u/HarrietPotter responded to this already.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 04:34 AM
0	Powering through LMR becomes potential assault when it's done in an everyday-threatening way, even if she "can say no any second" Your argument sounds familiar. I think I saw it in the news recently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 05:18 AM
2	Powering through LMR becomes potential assault when it's done in an everyday-threatening way, even if she "can say no any second" Oh my god--why are you being downvoted? I mean, I think you're right, but even if people disagree, isn't the rule that people aren't supposed to downvote in this subreddit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 05:16 AM
1	Is it possible to be a feminist and still want to make your SO happy? Strong argument. Nothing about the movement improves my quality of life, and I don't understand what feminism is. I'm just following the orders I get from Feminist HQ. They installed a radio in my uterus with the IUD I can get for free now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 12:02 AM
6	Is it possible to be a feminist and still want to make your SO happy? So, you do believe?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 03:08 AM
8	Is it possible to be a feminist and still want to make your SO happy? Cool! Here are the first three I thought of. Please let me know if you'd like more. Eve Ensler, author of The Vagina Monologues The leadership team at Averting Maternal Death and Disability Ann Cotton of the Campaign for Female Education	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 01:48 AM
5	Is it possible to be a feminist and still want to make your SO happy? Wanting another person who you care about to be happy doesn't go away as a feminist just because that person is a man, that makes no sense whatsoever. We make each other happy. We put in equal work into our relationship and our household and we support each other equally in our carer goals. That seems pretty feminist to me. (With so many other unfair and inaccurate descriptions of "feminism" in these comments, I felt like yours deserved to be repeated.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 01:39 AM
7	Is it possible to be a feminist and still want to make your SO happy? Feminism as you define it does not have a place in first world countries I don't completely agree. I think there are societal issues and forms of discrimination that uniquely affect women just as there are issues and forms of discrimination that uniquely affect men. Here are two recent examples of the former: "...the trial court also ruled that bullying women over breast-feeding cannot be considered sex discrimination, because men can, in theory, lactate, too. Of course, whether men can squeeze …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 01:28 AM
5	Is it possible to be a feminist and still want to make your SO happy? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, YES! My SO and I are both feminists, and each of us prioritizes the other's happiness. Being a feminist woman doesn't mean being selfish and choosing self over partner. Just like any movement, there are lots of nuances, debates, and factions within feminism. I'm not sure why the radical men-suck-and-women-should-destroy-them-and-be-more-masculine is so frequently seen (and accepted!) as "mainstream feminism," especially since the most popular feminist media outlets …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 12:24 AM
0	Existence of the Alpha Male successful he is with women and not about how he comes off? I sometimes see people describe "alpha-characteristics" like looks or behavioral features, but ultimately whether these traits are alpha depends on what happens Could Cleopatra be considered an alpha woman, then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/15 01:17 AM